JediDefender.com Forums

Collectibles => Past Hasbro 3.75" Lines => The Legacy Collection => Topic started by: Scott on March 12, 2006, 01:44 AM

Title: Willrow Hood
Post by: Scott on March 12, 2006, 01:44 AM
(http://www.jedidefender.com/spearson/ecg.gif)

I know a lot of you here will but spread the word...vote early, vote often, vote Willrow

For those that don't know, yours truly started the whole Ice Cream Maker Guy push almost 4 years ago

I collected signatures at Comic Con (through the San Diego SW Club) for two straight years,  I set up a website (which Brad and LandotheScoundrel helped me with) and the petition to get this guy made

Here's a little history as to why:

That summer the BHC (nee Rebelscum's teenage wasteland) was rife with newbie after newbie whining and crying about Attack of the Clones.  I come to find out that Jedi Master Plo Koon through the good graces of the wonderful world of EU could project Ice

(http://www.rebelscum.com/swsaga/swsaga0212plokoonabloosewlightening.jpg)

Being the sarcastic sonofagun I am, I started crafting the back story of one Ice Cream Maker Guy.  Who had been dubbed "Willrow Hood" by Decipher.

(http://www.decipher.com/starwars/cardlists/cloudcity/light/images/tibannagasminer.gif)

Also at the time one Adam Pawlus of at the time Yakface was getting lots and lots of questions about Petitions.  He said if he could get a petition with 100 signatures he'd post it on the front page of Yakface.  So...The petition, site and thread were born (http://threads.rebelscum.com/showflat.php?Cat=&Number=696245&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=6&o=&fpart=1&vc=1)

And I quickly got like 500 signatures

Quote
Petition: Bespin Ice Cream Maker Guy
June 20, 2002 | 2:04 AM EST | Adam

NOTE: Many of your emails seem to show that you believe we created this petition-- we didn't. Reader Scott set up the whole deal, the post below is just our announcing what he's created. Back to your regularly scheduled news.

When it comes to petitions, it's our policy to give a shout-out to those who manage to get at least 100 signatures. As we're true to our word, here's what reader Scott Pearson put together:

"Ice Cream Maker Guy

Bespin's frozen novelty specialist in all his glory...

Here is my Website giving some background on ICMG

http://www.geocities.com/ocb75/

And here is the petition which I started yesterday...

http://www.petitiononline.com/icmg/petition.html

Thanks!!! And lets all hope someday soon Ice Cream
Maker Guy will be hanging on the pegs!"

Yakface.com is now working on revising its petition policy.


The whole thing was to say, lets get behind something as a community, lets get behind something funny and lets prove to Adam Pawlus that he's not the only one who can get something made.  If you notice towards the end of the thread there, JediPadawan and the Coleman Kids start their own petition for Coleman Trebor

ANyway...its been 4 years, the petition is still active, there are like 1700 people who have signed.  I see the fact that Willrow made the top 25 as a tip of the cap to the legacy I created. So I beg of you, vote for Willrow, make my dream come true

Don't waste it on some non canon piece of crap EU figure (no offense to those that want those :P)  I myself probably want Hermi and Yarna over Willrow too but in the end, it comes down to following my heart.  And my heart really wants an Ice Cream Maker Guy, to prove Adam Pawlus wrong, to prove SirSteve wrong (who basically told me to buzz off at the time and Hasbro will never make this figure)

We are the world, we are the children
We are the ones who make a brighter day
So let’s start giving

(http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/starwars/images/b/bb/Willrow-hood.jpg)

Please vote, Willrow Hood when the Top 25 comes out, do it for me, do it for my family, do it for anyone you know who had a dream and was this close to having it come true.

Thank You!
Title: Re: Please Vote Willrow Hood
Post by: Morgbug on March 12, 2006, 02:15 AM
Should pop the link for toyfare into here Scott.  I've no idea when I signed that petitition, but I know I did.  I'd dearly love to see this figure made.  That's not to say I don't want other figures made from the top 25, but it would be awesome to see that something like this, that you started, could make it to a figure. 

I think it's one hell of an accomplishment that it's already made the top 25, but damn, a figure.  That'd be sweet. :)
Title: Re: Please Vote Willrow Hood
Post by: Dan on March 12, 2006, 08:03 AM
Well, I was wavering on this, but I will back it, and here is why:

Every year there are a 3-6 figures that are total losers. They are either characters done in too many poses with too many gadget features, or simply utterly lame characters that maybe shouldn't have been in the movie much less made in to plastic. I have bought many of these, thinking I would always be a completist.
Well I'm not a completist anymore, and here is why:

Bib Fortuna.

 It may be a little more complicated than that, but when I saw him in January, at seven dollars, I knew Hasbro had gone too far.
Sure a 12.00 Greedo is about as welcome as a cold-sore, but the 3rd poor version of a gland challenged lackey to a slug had me saying enough is enough.

I know that I will happily buy Willrow Hood over Bib # 4. Short pack him, keep him in only 1 or 2 waves, and he won't be hanging around like some of the sludge to be put behind a bubble on cardboard. Heck, throw in an Ugnaught and this think risks being popular.

Plus I like the effort that has gone in to the process.

But I won't back it to snub AP. I've been reading his take on Star Wars collecting since I picked up this bad habit again in 1995. I know sometimes people who seem to be in the spotlight of the collecting community take a beating, but I appreciate his efforts and enthusiasm over the years. 16bit.com is a pretty cool site too, and I've started adding that to my weekly web wanderings.

I will buy Willrow, and I will hope they get the price under 6.00 again before the end of the year. And if Willrow can prevent just one Bib Fortuna in the future, it will have done good.
Title: Re: Please Vote Willrow Hood
Post by: Reid on March 12, 2006, 09:35 AM
I'm voting for Bastila from the KOTOR game, but if Willrow is made, I'd gladly buy him.  :)
Title: Re: Please Vote Willrow Hood
Post by: DoctorPadawan on March 12, 2006, 01:45 PM
Well Scott, you've (or Willrow's) got my vote.  After seeing that list of predominantly EU (pronounced "EWWWWWWWWWWW") stuff of the least interesting degree, ICMG will be at the top of my list. 

The only other choice I would have made would honestly have been for Darth Malak from KOTOR (which I haven't played yet) just to shut Pawlus up about how KOTOR figures won't sell. 
Title: Re: Please Vote Willrow Hood
Post by: CHEWIE on March 12, 2006, 01:56 PM
Ha Ha... Ice Cream Maker Guy really would be a nice figure (for the hardcore fans) but talk about pegwarmer city most likely.  Not that I don't buy pegwarmers though.

Personally, this is not and probably never will be a figure I am dying to get.  Of course I'd buy him if they made him, and probably 3-4 extra for some custom fodder.  But I would much rather see a figure made of something that I would have a harder time customizing on my own, like Nom Anor, or the Fireside Padme figure.  Or even a Dorme, who at least had a few lines in AOTC.

Although I do agree if they threw in a new Ugnaught then it wouldn't be so bad and would probably be popular. 

And I do think that KOTOR figures would be very popular.

 :P

Title: Re: Please Vote Willrow Hood
Post by: Scott on March 12, 2006, 02:00 PM
How is any EU figure not Pegwarm city...50% of the market could care less
Title: Re: Please Vote Willrow Hood
Post by: McCusto on March 12, 2006, 02:12 PM
I am sorry, but a person who was in the movie for 1 second, holding what looks like a mini airplane engine, made as a figure would just plain suck. The votes needs to go to someone useful, like a decent ROTJ Luke, or a Galactic Marine. I respect your opinion to vote for this, but not a lot of people would be dying to get him.
Title: Re: Please Vote Willrow Hood
Post by: CHEWIE on March 12, 2006, 03:04 PM
How is any EU figure not Pegwarm city...50% of the market could care less

Hmmm... I understand that you are saying that 50% of the market might not care about EU figures.  But I think even less would be interested in this character.

For example, here are some EU characters that I think would outsell that figure any day -

- McQuarrie Stormtrooper
- Scorch (or any other Commando)
- Commander Faie
- Space Trooper (retooled, or not)
- Dark Trooper (retooled, or not)
- Mara Jade (retooled, or not)
- Noghri Warrior
- Vong Warrior

Heck, lots of EU material I think is more popular that Ice Cream Maker guy.  And especially army-builders of some sort of Clones that are considered EU or Concept material that didn't make it to the film.  I know there is a "purist" feel that some people have, but as a fan of EU and fan-fiction stuff I like to expand the Star Wars universe out, which I'm sure you already know though.  Maybe it's because I'm a customizer, I don't know.  Maybe we can try a group project in the customs section on this character for you to get a feel of how much interest is there for it.  We've had a lot more participation in the EU and fan-fiction stuff though based on past experience, buty maybe I'm underestimating the popularity of this character.  If it were to be a regular figure made though by Hasbro, I'm much more hoping for prequel Lars family and remakes of the ANH Owen and Beru.

 :P
Title: Re: Please Vote Willrow Hood
Post by: CHEWIE on March 12, 2006, 03:08 PM
One other thing I'd like to say though, is that I think the whole "Fan Choice" thing is a joke.  It's stupid.  Just make the figures Hasbro, there's no need to waste resources on your polls.  Remember the Dodonna/Antilles poll?  Why did they even need to do that, just make the figures and forget the polls.  True both figures did get made, but who came in 3rd, 4th, 5th place?  Does that mean they don't get made?  The whole process is just lame, so I'm not participating in something that I view as a complete joke.

I do feel for you in wanting the figure made though Scott.  Maybe they'll make him someday or at least in some sort of "Bespin Escape" Cinema Scene.  Or you could commission www.owenscustoms.com to make a good one for you.

 :P
Title: Re: Please Vote Willrow Hood
Post by: Scott on March 12, 2006, 03:32 PM
How would he make the top 25 if there wasn't interest for the figure :P

Ever since the poll opened I don't get where the EU sentiment is coming from.  It must be the influx of Prequel fans who have little to no attachment to the OT.  I think this group came in around the time of AOTC and has been growing since then

I sound like an old curmuddgeon but it is mind boggling that the OT did so poorly in this whole thing.  4 figures out of 25?  I call shenanigans, personally. 

No need to do a commission, I'm happy with my own custom :-*

(http://www.jedidefender.com/news/images/2-03/icmgcustom.jpg)

Still not better than the real thing, though
Title: Re: Please Vote Willrow Hood
Post by: CHEWIE on March 12, 2006, 03:40 PM
That's a good custom Scott.  The only thing that might improve it woudl be articuated knees to reinact his famous sprint down the Bespin corridors.    ;D

 :P
Title: Re: Please Vote Willrow Hood
Post by: Matt on March 12, 2006, 03:41 PM
Or you could commission www.owenscustoms.com to make a good one for you.

Yeah, Owen's ICMG really rocks the house.

(http://www.owenscustoms.com/P1010005.jpg)

 :P
Title: Re: Please Vote Willrow Hood
Post by: evenflow on March 12, 2006, 04:16 PM
I am sorry man, if that top 25 is accurate then my vot goes to Yarna Da'l Gargan. I too have been waiting and petitioning for years for her. I hope the win goes to her.
Title: Re: Please Vote Willrow Hood
Post by: Morgbug on March 12, 2006, 05:47 PM
I am sorry, but a person who was in the movie for 1 second, holding what looks like a mini airplane engine, made as a figure would just plain suck. The votes needs to go to someone useful, like a decent ROTJ Luke, or a Galactic Marine. I respect your opinion to vote for this, but not a lot of people would be dying to get him.

So you'd rather waste a vote on a figure that has about a 90% chance of being made anyway, than something more obscure?  I certainly understand why you might not want ICMG, but to throw the vote to something that's nearly guaranteed anyway?
Title: Re: Please Vote Willrow Hood
Post by: Jeff on March 12, 2006, 06:05 PM
I will gladly vote for ICMG.

I agree with Brent in that stuff like RotJ Luke or Galactic Marine will most likely get made anyway since they are main character or clone figures.  Still not sure why people voted for those in the first place...

Back to ICMG, I'd rather have a guy who has 5 seconds of screentime in an OT movie than an EU figure like Nom Anor or Darth EU-d00d anyday.   ;)
Title: Re: Please Vote Willrow Hood
Post by: Reid on March 12, 2006, 06:06 PM
How would he make the top 25 if there wasn't interest for the figure :P

No need to do a commission, I'm happy with my own custom :-*

(http://www.jedidefender.com/news/images/2-03/icmgcustom.jpg)



But it's not film-accurate! ICMG didn't wear gloves!
Title: Re: Please Vote Willrow Hood
Post by: Mikey D on March 12, 2006, 07:11 PM
ICMG has my vote.

And **** those KOTOR figures.
Title: Re: Please Vote Willrow Hood
Post by: Reid on March 12, 2006, 07:14 PM

And **** those KOTOR figures.

11!  >:( >:( >:( 11!
Title: Re: Please Vote Willrow Hood
Post by: Mikey D on March 12, 2006, 08:05 PM

11!  >:( >:( >:( 11!


 ???

Can someone who is much more knowledgeable than me please tell me what an eleven followed by LJ's favorite punctuation mark means?
Title: Re: Please Vote Willrow Hood
Post by: Ben on March 13, 2006, 12:22 AM
I'd buy ol' Willrow here before I bought any KOTOR figures, and I own and love playing those games.

But to me, those characters barely feel like SW characters.

Hasbro made BoShek and the green R5 unit and had them both in the same wave back in 2001/2, so there's no reason why ICMG can't be made. Either him or Dorme.

Title: Re: Please Vote Willrow Hood
Post by: Jesse James on March 13, 2006, 04:31 AM
I'll vote for him...  Him or Kyle Katarn.  I'm sorry but Katarn's one I was shocked to see listed and one of the best EU characters to this day.  I'd gladly vote for either...

If Katarn's out, I'm an ICMG campaigner exclusively.
Title: Re: Please Vote Willrow Hood
Post by: Darby on March 13, 2006, 04:32 AM
Really.  After Porkins or Boshek or Meena Tills, really, what is the detriment of doing a figure like ICMG or Dorme?  Or the Lars?  Make them one per case, like Hasbro surely would, and of course they would sell.  

I'll vote for ICMG.   :)
Title: Re: Please Vote Willrow Hood
Post by: Jesse James on March 13, 2006, 04:36 AM
Throw an Obi Pilot cloak on a turd and make it one to a case, and it will sell as the brown blob Jedi.

That's the irony of the repacks...  Supposedly made for the kiddies, but bought (I'd wager my left nut) in droves by the adults because collectors are the guys that will buy every one to have the whole set...  Hasbro not only f's over children, but plays the collector world like a fiddle (not that we don't know it, we just have come 10 years and aren't wanting to quit now).

That turd Jedi is days away though I tells ya.
Title: Re: Please Vote Willrow Hood
Post by: Brian on March 13, 2006, 10:59 AM
My vote goes to Willrow as well, and I really hope this figure gets made...for Scott's sake if nothing else.  I'll echo the comments that I'm really surprised at the lack of OT characters on this list.  I still really think that when people think "Star Wars" they are thinking OT....Luke, Han, Chewie, Vader, Stormtroopers, etc.  It is suprising that there aren't more characters from the original 3 on the list.  There are other figures I'd like to see, like an "ultimate" Jedi Luke and the Galactic Marine, but like others have said...those have a pretty good chance of being made eventually anyways.  I think the same goes for Hermie Odle.  I'm not really a big EU person either, so ICMG is the choice for me.  I don't mind some of the EU, and enjoy reading OT-era stuff sometimes, but to be honest I don't even know who some of the characters on that list are...and like Ben mentioned, many of them don't even seem like SW characters anyways.  Some EU is ok, and I don't mind seeing it sprinkled in the line, but its too bad this list is really dominated by those types of characters.  Anyways...ICMG is getting my vote too, best of luck to you Scott :).
Title: Re: Please Vote Willrow Hood
Post by: Nathan on March 13, 2006, 12:15 PM
If that list turns out to be legit, I'll be voting for Exar Kun or Willrow Hood.

I really think the reason the OT did so "poorly" in the poll is because after 29 years, most of the good figures from it have already been made. Think about it--besides "Imperial Flunkey #36" or "Ass-forehead Alien #9", what's left to make? I'm not saying I don't want to see those types of figures, because I do. But when it comes down to it, I'd rather have important PT and EU characters that have never been made over something that saw 2 seconds of screentime in the OT. Yes, I'm an OT fan too, but I have a different perspective since I've "only" been a fan for about 11 years instead of 20+.
Title: Re: Please Vote Willrow Hood
Post by: CHEWIE on March 13, 2006, 12:29 PM
Call me a turd, but I still would rather see MANY of the KOTOR characters made first.  Nothing against ICMG or any other OT stuff though.

 :P
Title: Re: Please Vote Willrow Hood
Post by: Jayson on March 13, 2006, 01:26 PM
Turd  ;)

Bring on ICMG!
Title: Re: Please Vote Willrow Hood
Post by: Jediknight760071 on March 13, 2006, 06:01 PM
Made the Top 25...You guys (except a few of you) have no idea how happy it makes me to see these years of petitioning pay off.  :)
Title: Re: Please Vote Willrow Hood
Post by: Darth Broem on March 13, 2006, 09:35 PM
In the end I will probably vote for Hermi Odle.  It's a tough one though between him and Yarna.  I doubt Yarna wins the competition so this probably will be the only chance she ever has.  Hermi won't either not up against those EU characters. 

Hasbro should just bite the bullet and do a wave of KOTOR figures or a wave of EU figs.  They are obviously dabbling in it with Scorch, Shadow Trooper, Talz Jedi, Snow Bunny Padme, Kir Kanos, etc (if the rumors are true).  It looks like the support for obscure cantina aliens and Jabba's creatures is nearing an end now since so many have been made.  Although I still hope to see the Tonnika Sisters, Bom Vimdin, Brainiac, Saurin, Ishi Tib, Weequay Skiff Master, Vintage Barada, etc.  but it's not that likely. 

EU is going to be the new area that Hasbro will go into more and more I believe after this poll. 
Title: Re: Please Vote Willrow Hood
Post by: Nathan on March 13, 2006, 09:44 PM
Besides the Clone Wars stuff, I think Hasbro's next baby steps into EU will be based on the games. The time for KOTOR or Republic Commando figures is now--Hasbro must strike while the iron's hot. Next will be the comics, which are likewise a visual medium and we're seeing that in a minor way with the SDCC Blackhole Stormtrooper.

While novel-based toys will be a lot harder--due to lack of visual reference material and the fact that everyone's mental pictures of the characters differs--I feel they could be done under the proper convergence of circumstances. For example, Hasbro missed what could have been a big opportunity by not producing NJO figures 5-6 years ago; now that the NJO's 15 minutes are over, we will see few, if any, toys from the series.
Title: Re: Please Vote Willrow Hood
Post by: Scott on March 13, 2006, 09:51 PM
Again, my big point is that I'm guessing 20-25% of the market (that's being conservative) could give a rats ass about EU figures and won't buy them

While only 5-10% of people feel the same about not being a Movie Completist.  There is a certain group that will buy everything (myself probably included) but I see enough people bitching about not wanting EU that I can see why it hasn't been done more

Hell, even Clone Wars stuff sat and sat for months and was eventually clearanced

(http://www.action-hq.com/action-hq/images/items/oth000358a_b.jpg)

Willrow would be no different than any of them...again, it just shocks me that the EU did so well in this poll.  Maybe its because I'm used to this site where there seems to be older collectors who don't really care for the stuff
Title: Re: Please Vote Willrow Hood
Post by: Dhivael on March 14, 2006, 12:39 AM
i totally disagree. Mr. Hood would be on the pegs forever, it would never sell with kids. Something like Bastala has recognition from games, or Padme from the movies or clones because theyre awesome, but...
Title: Re: Please Vote Willrow Hood
Post by: Darth Delicious on March 14, 2006, 01:45 AM
Again, my big point is that I'm guessing 20-25% of the market (that's being conservative) could give a rats ass about EU figures and won't buy them

While only 5-10% of people feel the same about not being a Movie Completist.  There is a certain group that will buy everything (myself probably included) but I see enough people bitching about not wanting EU that I can see why it hasn't been done more

Hell, even Clone Wars stuff sat and sat for months and was eventually clearanced

(http://www.action-hq.com/action-hq/images/items/oth000358a_b.jpg)

Willrow would be no different than any of them...again, it just shocks me that the EU did so well in this poll.  Maybe its because I'm used to this site where there seems to be older collectors who don't really care for the stuff

Clone Wars sat on the pegs? I'm not sure where you live, but here in So. Cal, it sold like bullsh*t at a Dr. Phil convention. Not even Yoda and Anakin warmed the pegs, and the Red Arc, Kit Fisto, Mace and the rest of the later waves didn't last a day on the shelves.

That being said, there is probably no figure on the list I wouldn't vote for BEFORE Willrow Hood. Some dude running in the background with an ice cream maker does not an interesting figure make. He's not a cool alien. He doesn't have an interesting outfit. He's just some dude in an orange brown jumpsuit that has even less recognition from fans than any EU character you could name. Hell, I'd vote for that damn green bunny rabbit before this guy. This guy on a peg would make Neimoidian Warrior look like Scorch.

I'm afraid my vote lies with Quinlan Vos, followed by Hermi Odle or any of the characters from KOTOR. (The Galactic Marine and Neyo are retarded, as let's face it...Hasbro is going to make those anyway.)

Willrow Hood. Isn't that Mando'a for "unsellable?"

-DD
Title: Re: Please Vote Willrow Hood
Post by: Jesse James on March 14, 2006, 04:38 AM
I disagree on the sellability of Willrow Hood as, there's lots of dull stuff that's somehow popular despite not being aimed at the kiddies...

Honestly, what is aimed at kids sells like **** when kids aren't interested in the line.  That's been a fact with Star Wars since 1995.  For me, 2005 isn't going to fool me into thinking we should long for resculpt and repack upon resculpt and repack simply because "kids drive the line".  They're a factor, but it seems that once more the area I live in is back to 2004 where the only things selling are what collectors are buying and kids are either getting out of the line again or they're just having such an even harder time finding stuff (than we are) that they're losing interest somewhat at least.

Would Hood sell like he was goin' out of style though?  I doubt it, but the benefits he does have are customizing fodder at least.  Dull figures like Bo Shek moved quite nicely in my area though...  So have others, so there's possibilities for Hood to sell ok, plus he's got the movie people into him unlike EU who may not have anyone into them but a small handful... 

For me, my vote's with Katarn still, but my second choice is definitely Hood simply because he's a movie character.  There's other EU in there I like but Hasbro's gotta show me they're committing to some EU not just one-shots that you'll not have much to ever go with it.  Things like that make me question getting NJO figures or KOTOR figures...  I want them, but I want more than one from any given story/setting.   :-\

I'm all for oddball background humans once in a while though.  The line's missing Garrouf Lafoe and I'd say he's one of my top Cantina wants.  He's not really even a notch about Wilrow Hood though in any way, but I still want him as a figure for my Cantina.
Title: Re: Please Vote Willrow Hood
Post by: Darth Broem on March 14, 2006, 09:18 AM
Oh I actually think Willrow would actually do about as well as Bo Shek.  The same people that went for him would go for Willrow.  Well maybe a bit less since he's not in a space suit for people to customize.  I think it would be a nice nod to the OT fans and/or online community really.  It would be fun IMO.  In all honesty though I can't see Hasbro ever making him.  Now if Lucas would insert a CGI alien head on Willrow then it might happen.  Maybe. 

 
Title: Re: Please Vote Willrow Hood
Post by: CHEWIE on March 14, 2006, 10:36 AM
I think that Boshek is a bad comparison personally.  At least he had a removable helmet and was a pilot.  Pilots are more popular than normal citizen figures I think.  I think that ICMG would be about as popular as the EPI Valorum or the SAGA Imperial Dignitaries.

Most of the Clone Wars stuff sold well in my area.  Yoda was probably the biggest pegwarmer, but even the other Yodas warm pegs a lot.  The problem with this particular version of him was that it was pretty goofy.  Replace that Yoda with the Snowbunny Padme and you've got a hot seller.  I recall Ventress and Durge, the Clone (of course) and most of the others from that line doing very well.  They don't need to go on making whacky designs for the Jedi.  Honestly, I think that this Obi Wan they did was pretty goofy too -

(http://www.rebelscum.com/clonewars/sw0345cwobiwanloose-m.jpg)

Not trying to toot my own horn here, but I think that a custom I made of him like this would do pretty well -

(http://www.thecustomalliance.com/cook/ObiWan1.jpg)

Anyways, with the TV series scheduled for next year, I expect a large quantity of figures, maybe even another midnight madness event.  So all you EU bashers better have a few cold ones.   ;)

 :P
Title: Re: Please Vote Willrow Hood
Post by: Darth Slothus on March 14, 2006, 11:56 AM
I think this whole 'poll' idea sucks anyway-

My opinion? I believe Hasbro will look at the list, find a figure they were getting ready to make anyway-slip that info to toyfare so they can rig the poll to look like  #1 won ::). Hasblow's still gonna make the fig. they want anyway. I say screw em' and vote for ICMG anyhew even though he won't win.

Sometimes I realllyyy wonder though at how many intelligent folks exist in our hobby when I see a list like this with all the several figures in there that where going to be produced eventually anyway :P. It's almost as if they're saying ' I know this will be made under the Hasbrow extended contract but I want it now'.

I say vote for ICMG- he really never had a chance at all to be made.

BTW- the Clone Wars first wave really pegwarmed in my area..in a county of over a million folks, then I moved and in a county of over 5 million people it pegwarmed here too. Seemed like Annakin, Obi-won, Yoda, and assaj were the worst. I even found a red arc trooper in the middle of the day and saw 2 more but left them. The second wave with kit, tinn, and clone were much harder to find though.
Title: Re: Please Vote Willrow Hood
Post by: Greg on March 15, 2006, 04:20 PM
I voted for Ice Cream Man just for you. Now if they make him, you need to buy one and mail it to me. It's only fair.   ;)  If he wins though, he'll need his truck, or speeder, or whatever. Hope he wins!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Please Vote Willrow Hood
Post by: Angry Ewok on March 15, 2006, 10:17 PM
I signed the ICMG Petition many years ago, so ICMG has my vote... and everyone else's vote who owes me a favor.


Title: Re: Please Vote Willrow Hood
Post by: Gatillo on March 15, 2006, 10:28 PM
Have any of the previous fan choice figures warmed the pegs?  The only one that I saw more than a few times was Duros, which I liked a lot.

Regardless of the figure, I do not believe it will peg warm.  Nowadays not even crappy repacks like skiff guards :-X warm the pegs too long.
Title: Re: Please Vote Willrow Hood
Post by: Morgbug on March 15, 2006, 10:34 PM
Duros/Ellors Madak might still be available up here, so yeah, I'd call that peg warming.  I believe Amanaman clearanced as well in the US (never made it up here).  Ephant Mon was probably closer to the proper production numbers when all was said and done.  Who was #4?  Dodonna/Antilles?  They sold more slowly, but never clearanced as far as I know. 
Title: Re: Please Vote Willrow Hood
Post by: Famine on March 16, 2006, 01:09 AM
Why is Willrow Hood getting a sticky?

Can Quinlan Vos please get a sticky?

Kevin
Title: Re: Please Vote Willrow Hood
Post by: Jesse James on March 16, 2006, 01:36 AM
Well, first because Scott's as good as staff and can do what he wants for the most part, but second because the petition for Wilrow Hood the ICMG has been on the front page of JediDefender.com as long as I can remember and have been coming here routinely too so it's part of our site's affiliation to.
Title: Re: Please Vote Willrow Hood
Post by: SilverZ on March 16, 2006, 02:52 AM
Thank god for this sticky thread. I voted for ICMG.

And I remember all of the first CW figures warming SoCal pegs in many LA and Santa Clarita stores. The second wave was readily available and would were well on their way to stagnating if the line didn't run its course as quickly as it did. I'd know I missed SA Clones because of the bountiful fields of SaeSee and Half Naked Kit Fisto.
Title: Re: Please Vote Willrow Hood
Post by: Darth Slothus on March 16, 2006, 02:56 AM
I never got the kneeling one >:(


Voted 20 times so far(20 different IP's) for ICMG

Tooo bad for Vos....... Yeah I want him too but I realize they'll make him in the next 12 years anyway. However, realistically this IS probably the only chance to see the ICMG made(and see how corrupt/fake these polls really are)
Title: Re: Please Vote Willrow Hood
Post by: Jesse James on March 16, 2006, 03:20 AM
I think the Clone Wars line did well, I think EU can do well, and I think Hasbro will touch on it more in coming years...  The films are done, it's almost a necessity.

In my neck of the woods Clone Wars sold well though the first wave was so massively abundant everywhere that it held up the 2nd and 3rd waves some.  When they did arrive, they blew out the door but it's easily attributable to a massively popular media event...  Video games that did great (both directly tied to the "Clone Wars" theme and just coincidence like "Clone Campaigns" for Battlegrounds), and there were other issues that made Clone Wars popular...  Also Clone Wars was done the way EU should be in its execution in that it was part of a dedicated series/line, not a single figure...

The ICMG has likely one shot...  If there wasn't a figure I truly love on that list I'd probably have solely voted for ICMG...  As it stands, I voted for Katarn too, but I'm making sure ICMG is getting votes too from friends.

BTW I too think Vos is the kind of character Hasbro's going to make when ideas start running out.  It'll be the kind of figure they slip into a wave like a "Kashyyyk Wave" or some such.
Title: Re: Please Vote Willrow Hood
Post by: SilverZ on March 16, 2006, 05:03 AM
I'm with you on all those points, JJ.

Quote
I think the Clone Wars line did well, I think EU can do well, and I think Hasbro will touch on it more in coming years...  The films are done, it's almost a necessity.

I think that's true, and believe we'll hit a few lean years before the TV shows kick into gear and give the line new fodder to generate. In those lean years, EU will crop up every once and a while, and if done right, with just one figure here and there like they're doing with Scorch and Foul snuck into the main line, it'll work out fine. It's if they slap a wave of EU out there that things can go bad quickly.

With all that in mind, I think Vos is a terrible choice for a Fan's Choice character. He's on the very short list of EU characters that a lot of people know about. Hell, I have a strong dislike for EU, never read comics, never read the novels, and get scared away by anything that's not closely tied to the films -- but I know who Vos is. He's been rammed down my throat left and right. He'll get made. It's inevitable, and a poll to determine that isn't necessary.

It's our buddy Willrow or bust.
Title: Re: Please Vote Willrow Hood
Post by: Darth Delicious on March 16, 2006, 05:30 AM
A sticky for the most uninteresting looking character ever. Yup, the fix is already in.

I'm not worried, though. Even if he won I think Hasbro will change the results to make a figure that's actually sellable. I think the lessons of Shmi, Bail, Mon Mothma and Beru won't go to waste. And those characters had speaking parts and were actually important to the films...not just some douche who looks like a janitor running through the background.

If we're going to have a Space Janitor made, I'm voting Roger Wilco.  :P

-DD
Title: Re: Please Vote Willrow Hood
Post by: Jesse James on March 16, 2006, 07:07 AM
Things is though, those dull figures are still important parts of the line to collectors...  I like that I have Bail in two forms, Senators, Mothma in two forms, Imperial dignitaries...  They suck, in a way, but I like them.

And it doesn't need to be human either...  Bib Fortuna, Saelt Marae, and Nein Numb anyone?  And I want a resculpt of Nein Numb! :)  Hell, Duros...  And he's probably one of the most "popular" Cantina aliens, but he sold like ****...  And Bespin Guards can still be found here, and they're a GREAT army builder really. 

Wilrow Hood would sell no better nor worse than these figures I listed but the ones I listed are figures lots of people are happy to own while others could've given two ***** about save for a few.  They still didn't sell well despite coolness.

Hood wouldn't do worse, but it'd be a nice backgroun Bespin character, which there isn't a whole lot ot pick from there sadly, but Bespin is a sparsely touched area of the line.
Title: Re: Please Vote Willrow Hood
Post by: Jeff on March 16, 2006, 10:03 AM
Well, first because Scott's as good as staff and can do what he wants for the most part, but second because the petition for Wilrow Hood the ICMG has been on the front page of JediDefender.com as long as I can remember and have been coming here routinely too so it's part of our site's affiliation to.

Exactly.  Well said, JJ.

The "Ice Cream Maker Guy" petition has been on the front page of JD as long as I can remember too.  It's a part of the history of JD.  I think a lot of the newer folks around here don't realize that one of JD's premiere staff members started the ICMG petition nearly four years ago.  It's not some flash-in-the-pan goof-ball desire (it's grown way beyond that  :P). 

Now that ICMG is actually on a fan-choice poll and we have a chance to actually get this figure made it'd be ridiculous for us to not fully support him in any way we can!

(http://www.jedidefender.com/lobotsdup/ICMG_02.jpg) (http://www.wizarduniverse.com/magazines/toyfare/TF20060313-tf_poll.cfm)
Title: Re: Please Vote Willrow Hood
Post by: Jim on March 16, 2006, 01:51 PM
While I think it would be funny if he wins, Hasbro would take a bath on this fig.  The proper way to have him made would be some type of online retail, fanclub or some other form that would limit the numbers (mail-in, etc).  If he hits retail, at  least half of these will not sell. It would probably be one of the top 3 pegwarmers of all time and a huge money loss for Hasbro.  I feel for everyone who wants this fig since we all have a favorite we know that will never get made. 
Title: Re: Please Vote Willrow Hood
Post by: Morgbug on March 16, 2006, 02:19 PM
Even if he won I think Hasbro will change the results to make a figure that's actually sellable. I think the lessons of Shmi, Bail, Mon Mothma and Beru won't go to waste.

I agree the fix will be in, but interesting to note you named female action figures for the most part.  I thought it was a generally accepted truism that female figures don't sell, regardless.  I think as a truism, it's well, true.  The last of the VOTC to move around here was Leia, and I think there's still one out there at a store near me. 

Quote
And those characters had speaking parts and were actually important to the films...not just some douche who looks like a janitor running through the background.

I can only presume you apply a similar standard to the vast majority of Cantina and Jabba's Palace figures we've already had made?  Otherwise your comments are reeking a bit of hypocrisy.  If you don't like the figure, that's cool, say so.  But if your standard is that you don't want figures made because they're a douche ::) in the background with no lines at all, why are you even bothering with this hobby.  Aren't about 70% of the figures that have been made (and remade) generally in that category?
Title: Re: Please Vote Willrow Hood
Post by: Scott on March 16, 2006, 02:54 PM
Pack him at one per case and even at 2 per case he'll sit no more than Derlin and Veers are now
Title: Re: Please Vote Willrow Hood
Post by: Mikey D on March 16, 2006, 03:00 PM
You pack him at one per case and everyone would be bitching they can't find him.  Two per case sounds about right.
Title: Re: Please Vote Willrow Hood
Post by: Darth Slothus on March 16, 2006, 03:07 PM
yes, that's the way to do it, Scott.

Good points, Brent I agree with all of them....the female figures don't sell great, except to my daughter-she's a sort of tonboy anyway. How many 7-13 year old boys want a girl action fig anyway...AND just how many girl SW fans are out there that would want one to play with?(My daughter's favorite figure is Annakin, followed by anything leia or padme-and she's 9)

I will agree that the majority of the figures made did not have speaking parts which...kinda killed that argument as well.

Come on non-speaking-part ICMG you can win it!!!

Can you imagine how this Willrow would feel if he didn't even have a line and got an action figure made??! Probably could become his family's hero!!
Title: Re: Please Vote Willrow Hood
Post by: Famine on March 16, 2006, 06:08 PM
I don't understand the logic you guys have. You want it to win, but it seems your surrenedering to the fate that Hasbro will change the poll. Why bother if that's the case? It's not as if they're going to release the poll numbers to us any time soon.

Kevin
Title: Re: Please Vote Willrow Hood
Post by: Jayson on March 16, 2006, 06:57 PM
I think the mentality like voting for a 3rd party candidate... you vote for what/whom you want, so that you can't complain later if you didn't vote at all, despite the outcome.
Title: Re: Please Vote Willrow Hood
Post by: Mikey D on March 16, 2006, 08:07 PM
Because it'll prove to Hasbro that people want the figure.  If we didn't vote for Willrow, then they'll just say the support wasn't there and be done with it.  Let's say Vos is the predetermined figure (if there is one) that Hasbro is going to make.  Fine.  But every vote Willrow gets shows Hasbro that this figure does indeed have a market and people will buy it.  And that hopefully gets the figure made, even if he doesn't "win" the poll.
Title: Re: Please Vote Willrow Hood
Post by: Darth Delicious on March 16, 2006, 08:58 PM
Even if he won I think Hasbro will change the results to make a figure that's actually sellable. I think the lessons of Shmi, Bail, Mon Mothma and Beru won't go to waste.

I agree the fix will be in, but interesting to note you named female action figures for the most part.  I thought it was a generally accepted truism that female figures don't sell, regardless.  I think as a truism, it's well, true.  The last of the VOTC to move around here was Leia, and I think there's still one out there at a store near me. 

Quote
And those characters had speaking parts and were actually important to the films...not just some douche who looks like a janitor running through the background.

I can only presume you apply a similar standard to the vast majority of Cantina and Jabba's Palace figures we've already had made?  Otherwise your comments are reeking a bit of hypocrisy.  If you don't like the figure, that's cool, say so.  But if your standard is that you don't want figures made because they're a douche ::) in the background with no lines at all, why are you even bothering with this hobby.  Aren't about 70% of the figures that have been made (and remade) generally in that category?


Actually, that statement doesn't reek of hypocrisy at all. Kids very much like alien figures, so while not having speaking parts, they still have a visual interest that I think ICMG sadly lacks.

Obviously it's not a perfect analogy...Lando is very important to the saga yet his VOTC figure is still filling the shelves at TRU...but then, Lando isn't very visually interesting in that incarnation either.

But  hey...it's just a figure. Don't take it so personally.  :P

-DD
Title: Re: Please Vote Willrow Hood
Post by: CHEWIE on March 16, 2006, 09:08 PM
You know, it's not fair one bit to really call Ellors Madak a pegwarmer.  That whole WAVE pegwarmed and was easily the highly produced wave in POTJ - at least in my area.  TRU literally had 25 each of Ellors, Ketwol, Sabe and the Bespin Guard at one time and all four could still be found last year at two differnet TRU stores in my area.  It was the overproduction, not the character/figure itself.

 :-[
Title: Re: Please Vote Willrow Hood
Post by: Scott on March 16, 2006, 09:23 PM
But  hey...it's just a figure. Don't take it so personally.

-DD

Quote
And those characters had speaking parts and were actually important to the films...not just some douche who looks like a janitor running through the background.

 Hypocricy at its finest  ::)
Title: Re: Please Vote Willrow Hood
Post by: CHEWIE on March 16, 2006, 09:40 PM
Scott, I just don't think this figure will be made... of course I could be wrong.  Of course I'd buy it, but I want it for custom fodder.   :)

I'm going to go ahead and make a custom of him though pretty soon.  Hell, why not. 

 :P
Title: Re: Please Vote Willrow Hood
Post by: Darth Delicious on March 16, 2006, 11:28 PM
Quote


 Hypocricy at its finest  ::)

Quote

The public education system at it's finest.  ;D

Not only did you butcher the spelling, you didn't even get the meaning right. How is referring to a fictional character with a derogatory descriptor taking things personally, exactly?

The shot I took at you? You can consider that personal.  ;)

Sorry to seem as if I'm taking a piss on your dream, but hey...I just happen to think it's lame.  Obviously not everyone agrees...you've got a lot of support for your idea, so enjoy that.

Chewie: You make a good point about the POTJ wave in general...I concede the point on that. The Montebello TRU outside of LA still had a shelf full of Sabe, Ellors, and Ketwol last time I was there...at full price no less.

I just foresee a bunch of unsold ICMG's on the shelf, and then everyone crying that their local store isn't restocking.

Still a fan and still having fun,

-DD

Title: Re: Please Vote Willrow Hood
Post by: Scott on March 17, 2006, 12:04 AM
My point is that in the end it is just a figure (as you point out) Don't come in to this thread and bitch and complain about all of the people here and everywhere else that are voting for him

You are the one who seems to be taking it personal that people are supporting one of the most influential and most requested figures of all time, sorry that we have your undies in a ringer :P
Title: Re: Please Vote Willrow Hood
Post by: Matt on March 17, 2006, 12:07 AM
Still a fan and still having fun

How do you have fun without a sense of humor?

 ???
Title: Re: Please Vote Willrow Hood
Post by: CHEWIE on March 17, 2006, 12:28 AM
Ok, come on - there's no reason for anyone to get mad at anyone here.  Some of us are voting for ICMG, some aren't.  This isn't politics.

And oh yeah, I voted for George W. Bush twice. 

 :P
Title: Re: Please Vote Willrow Hood
Post by: Matt on March 17, 2006, 12:46 AM
Quote
And oh yeah, I voted for George W. Bush twice.

Fool me once. . .  shame on, shame on you.  Fool me--can't get fooled again.

Quote
Some of us are voting for ICMG, some aren't.  This isn't politics.

It's not that people aren't voting for ICMG.  That's fine.  People can certainly vote for whoever they want.  But it's the outright rage and anger toward ICMG that I have a problem with.  No, I take that back--I don't have a problem with it, I just think it's silly.  This hobby requires a little sense of humor (how many Cantina Hans have you bought?) and these people that are so vocal with their anger in ICMG even making the list--they appear to have little-to-no sense of humor at all.  And some are even to the point of saying that they'll quit the hobby if he winds up getting made.  I seriously hope they do.  They're humorless pricks, and this hobby doesn't need them.

Now, if you'll excuse me, I'm off to play KOTOR for the 37th time.

 :P


Title: Re: Please Vote Willrow Hood
Post by: Morgbug on March 17, 2006, 01:08 AM
Quote
And those characters had speaking parts and were actually important to the films...not just some douche who looks like a janitor running through the background.


Here, I'll explain it to you:
If I modify your quote to be less specific:
Quote
And those characters had speaking parts and were actually important to the films...
That applies to a whole whack of figures we've had made, be they ICMG, Momaw Nadon, Ketwol, Muftak, Yarna D'al Gargan, BoShek or anyone else like that.  These characters all had no speaking.  They're visually interesting?  You think that's all it takes for a figure is to make it visually interesting?  BoShek?  Oh yeah, he's got visual interest all over him.  Whoo, he's got a helmet and a gun and a flight suit ::)  Wow, I think I'm wet just thinking about him. 

You know, you seem like the kind of buyer that thinks just like Hasbro wants them to think.  How many kids/casual fans have a hot clue who Ketwol or many of the other aliens are that have 3.45172 seconds of actual screen time (and that's being generous)?  Visually interesting doesn't mean diddly squat to kids, they want Luke and Vader and Obi-Wan and Darth Maul.  They sure as hell aren't buying up the Padme figures. 

Your statement can be easily applied to the vast majority of the characters from these films.  Aside from massive geeks like ourselves, no one buys this ****, don't kid yourself.  I've no idea where you work, but most of the people at work just chuckle at the notion that I still buy toys.  I guess if you're working the blue light special at Kmart or some such thing, then sure, it's not a huge surprise.  But the average adult has no idea why any of us are this nutty.  But we're not talking about that arena. 

As for visually interesting, well, I'm not quite sure how anyone with the name Solo attached on the end is overly visually interesting, so why not Willrow?  If all we're after is pure visual interest, I'd suggest we'd be better off dumping a goodly 50% of the line right away, because a fair bit of it sucks. 

As for taking it personally, don't flatter yourself.  It's a discussion board, or do I need your permission to address you? ::)
Title: Re: Please Vote Willrow Hood
Post by: Ithorian Clergy on March 17, 2006, 01:08 AM
Pack him at one per case and even at 2 per case he'll sit no more than Derlin and Veers are now

This remains to be seen.  I think Veers and Derlin are going to look like the objects of a scalper's affection compared to ICMG.  
Title: Re: Please Vote Willrow Hood
Post by: Morgbug on March 17, 2006, 01:13 AM
Rieekan then.  Tell me again why we needed him repacked?  My TRU has the deluxe Rieekan sitting on the pegs still cheaper than the new version and neither is moving.  Only folks buying him around here are the carded completeist psychos.
Title: Re: Please Vote Willrow Hood
Post by: Darth Delicious on March 17, 2006, 02:59 AM
Wow Morgbug...that last line especially makes no sense. 

 I actually work for a comic company, so buying toys isn't all that out of the ordinary in my professional circles. And as I know a lot of people who buy and sell collections, I'm pretty secure in the knowledge that kids love strange aliens, Jedi, and especially wierd alien Jedi. As for the Solo kids, at least as Jedi, they'd have a chance of appealing to the population at large, and therefore sell more than "random human holding a port-a-potty."

As for thinking how Hasbro wants me to think, you don't know a damn thing about me. I just think that Willrow is a bad idea from a sales standpoint, and that is ultimately what matters to Hasbro. Assuming ICMG did win (which again, I don't think he will, and even if he does, I don't think he'll be produced, at least not in a regular assortment) but assuming he did, I can imagine Hasbro chalking it up to another reason not to listen to the fans. We want new ships, their philosophy is "ships don't sell." People want more Padme, their philosophy is "Padme doesn't sell." You get a ton of Willrow's sitting around and eventually they say, "Wow, fan figures don't sell." Voila, no more fan figures. And it seems once Hasbro makes it's mind up on something, it's set in stone. Just an opinion, but I guess that's not allowed.

And by the way...none of that stems from rage or anger as you seem to think it does. I don't have any animosity toward anyone who wants to vote for Willrow. Hell, except for Chewie, Jesse James and a few others on here, I don't even know you people and therefore could hardly care less in the grand scheme of things. And it certainly doesn't matter what Bill Cosby thinks about my sense of humor or lack of one.  All the anger, rage and name calling started with some of the Willrow boosters...Cosby even went so far as to call me a humorless prick. Over an action figure...AN ACTION FIGURE! Talk about humorless! The only person I even remotely insulted (until Scott tried to be clever, and even then it was tongue in cheek) was Willrow as a character. I didn't realize I was committing a mortal sin. You'd think I just drew cartoons of the prophet Muhammad. But as even you pointed out, I thought this was a DISCUSSION board, I thought it would be okay to express how underwhelming a choice I consider ol' Willrow. I guess I was wrong.

You want to vote for Willrow, hey, that's your thing. I'm sorry that dissenting opinion on your holy grail is not allowed. I think I'll move on to a thread where the cultists are a little less zealous.

-DD




Title: Re: Please Vote Willrow Hood
Post by: Jesse James on March 17, 2006, 06:02 AM
I'd like to see this thread calm down on all levels please.  I'd say that, if you don't like a figure choice then going into a thread for it is a bad idea...

That's part of the problem I'm seeing at that "otheR Site", in that people are going into the campaign headquarters for the various figures and just fighting, so basically I'd say we should drop it really...  This is for Hood, and the reason for it being sticky has been explained...

I think things have stayed fairly calm though, so I do applaud that...  DD, you should come out into this portion more so you got to know the others...  You'd maybe actually have been on the Wilrow bandwagon!  OK, not likely. ;)  But still it's nice seeing you off customs and out here too.  The support for that figure runs deep around here though...  It's sort of part of the culture of JediDefender.com actually.

DD's not in agreement on the ICMG, that's obvious...  It's ok though.  Everyone just has to respect the disagreement and move on if you feel that you can't make an argument any clearer.

I personally think the ICMG has as much sales potential as half the line really.  Hasbro's never said aliens sell well, and actually they're generally focused on collectors when they are made so I think they feel quite the opposite.  And I saw lots of POTJ figures pegwarm, and in lots of abundance...  I feel certain the production numbers on the waves were pretty equal overall, as it's my understanding that a wave getting "shortened" is not a common occurance in the modern line...  Numbers are pretty even.

But like I said, that's my perception of why ICMG will sell like most anything else Hasbro makes.  I don't think they have faith in these polls anyway but treat them like a PR move more than anything.  This one, obviously, is more a hand-in-hand working with Toy Fare than it is a way to appease fans...  Toy Fare gets publicity they'd otherwise never have gotten from SW collectors, that's for sure.

Anyway...  I voted for Katarn first (but I'm so not hopeful to get him at this point), I'm putting in votes for ICMG though too...  It is what I'd like the most out of this. 

I'd buy all 25 figures though in multiples if they made them, but that's me.
Title: Re: Please Vote Willrow Hood
Post by: Matt on March 17, 2006, 09:35 AM
And it certainly doesn't matter what Bill Cosby thinks about my sense of humor or lack of one.  All the anger, rage and name calling started with some of the Willrow boosters...Cosby even went so far as to call me a humorless prick. Over an action figure...AN ACTION FIGURE! Talk about humorless!

Oh, Darth Delicious, please don't get me wrong.  When I mentioned anger and rage, I wasn't necessarily referring to you specifically.  It's just kind of a general vibe I've gotten from some of the people across the various online communities out there.  I think there are quite a few people who are genuinely upset that this guy's even nominated.  Hell, one guy at Rebelscum even likened JD to Nazi Germany (http://threads.rebelscum.com/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=saga2006&Number=1759792&Forum=All_Forums&Words=&Searchpage=0&Limit=25&Main=1759125&Search=true&where=bodysub&Name=8680&daterange=1&newerval=0&newertype=w&olderval=&oldertype=&bodyprev=#Post1759792) over this deal.  Can you believe that?!

And you're right:  It's only an action figure!  Why get so upset that it's even nominated in the first place?  They're bent out-of-shape about it, which is silly to begin with, and then I get bent out-of-shape about their being bent-out-of-shape, which is even sillier, and then you're bent out-of-shape about my being bent out-of-shape because they're bent out-of-shape, which is the silliest thing of all.

And as far as senses of humor go, I'd like to think that I've got one.  Not a very good one, as most of the people here can attest, but a sense of humor nonetheless.
Title: Re: Please Vote Willrow Hood
Post by: Morgbug on March 17, 2006, 10:12 AM
I actually work for a comic company, so buying toys isn't all that out of the ordinary in my professional circles. And as I know a lot of people who buy and sell collections, I'm pretty secure in the knowledge that kids love strange aliens, Jedi, and especially wierd alien Jedi. As for the Solo kids, at least as Jedi, they'd have a chance of appealing to the population at large, and therefore sell more than "random human holding a port-a-potty."

Cool job, but could it be that your opinions are biased by the work you do?  I've no doubt at all that within the circles you work in there are lots of kids that buy aliens, Jedi and the rest.  That's all fine.  But I think you've been to Hasbro Q&A's yes?  Don't you get the feeling it's not those kids and the big, annoying kids that show up at the Q&A that Hasbro wants to target?  The kids I think you know fit the "collector" aspect of the line, something Hasbro has repeatedly said is not the target market for them.  So I don't think any aspect of this process is really targeted at the "average" consumer. 

Quote
As for thinking how Hasbro wants me to think, you don't know a damn thing about me. I just think that Willrow is a bad idea from a sales standpoint, and that is ultimately what matters to Hasbro. Assuming ICMG did win (which again, I don't think he will, and even if he does, I don't think he'll be produced, at least not in a regular assortment) but assuming he did, I can imagine Hasbro chalking it up to another reason not to listen to the fans. We want new ships, their philosophy is "ships don't sell." People want more Padme, their philosophy is "Padme doesn't sell." You get a ton of Willrow's sitting around and eventually they say, "Wow, fan figures don't sell." Voila, no more fan figures. And it seems once Hasbro makes it's mind up on something, it's set in stone. Just an opinion, but I guess that's not allowed.
You're right, I don't know a thing about you.  My only experience with you is your posts here at JD, but then given your relative newb statues over here (not in general), you don't know a thing about me so we're even. 

As far as sales go based on that list, what will sell is one of the following figures:
3. Clone Commander (Galactic Marine pictured)
4. Commander Neyo
7. Darth Maul
11. Hermi Odle
17. Luke Skywalker (ROTJ)
20. Padme Amidala (snowsuit)
23. Quinlan Vos
25. Yarna D'al Gargan

Why?  OT connections, clones, fanboys love Maul, Padme's hot in that outfit.  Even at that, I can't really see too many parents supporting Yarna.  Can you imagine the conversation?
Billy: mommy, I want this figure
Mommy: you want a figure of a fat woman with six breasts?
Billy: please mommy, please, I really want it because it's a cool looking alien with visual appeal
Mommy: no, sorry, I'm going to find the manager and find out why a pornographic figure is being sold in a childrens section :P

If sales are the only concern for Hasbro and the fans have little say in the matter, make a clone, make a Maul or make a Luke.  Is it fan's choice or mass market appeal?  I ask because I don't spend all my time on star wars.  If guys are happy with EU, so be it, but I don't know most of the characters listed and I think the majority of the "market" is in the same boat - they don't spring for the comics.  If we're talking about this being a SWS.com exclusive or EE.com exclusive, make whatever they want, the fans will find it.  But if it's a sales driven enterprise alone with Walmart/Target/TRU being the primary retailers, making anything outside what I listed above is retail death. 

And speaking of retail death, Duros, Amanaman, Antilles/Dodonna were great sales pieces?  I bought them all on clearance prices.  Ephant Mon sold well, but I suspect because of a combination of price point and cost of production that figure was significantly underproduced. 

Quote
And by the way...none of that stems from rage or anger as you seem to think it does. I don't have any animosity toward anyone who wants to vote for Willrow. Hell, except for Chewie, Jesse James and a few others on here, I don't even know you people and therefore could hardly care less in the grand scheme of things. And it certainly doesn't matter what Bill Cosby thinks about my sense of humor or lack of one.  All the anger, rage and name calling started with some of the Willrow boosters...Cosby even went so far as to call me a humorless prick. Over an action figure...AN ACTION FIGURE! Talk about humorless! The only person I even remotely insulted (until Scott tried to be clever, and even then it was tongue in cheek) was Willrow as a character. I didn't realize I was committing a mortal sin. You'd think I just drew cartoons of the prophet Muhammad. But as even you pointed out, I thought this was a DISCUSSION board, I thought it would be okay to express how underwhelming a choice I consider ol' Willrow. I guess I was wrong.

So be it, but my impression of you thus far is that you've rolled in here to do your best impression of Bill Cosby for whatever reasons personally motivate you.  Perhaps that's just the ongoing flaw of interpretation on discussion boards, but it's the vibe I get coming off you - that you have some animosity towards Cosby and JD in general.  If I'm misinterpreting that, you have my apology. 

Quote
You want to vote for Willrow, hey, that's your thing. I'm sorry that dissenting opinion on your holy grail is not allowed. I think I'll move on to a thread where the cultists are a little less zealous.
Nope, not a holy grail.  Not cultists, not zealous.  Nice talk though, add that to the douche comment and I'm not really that confused where my opinion of you thus far has come from. 

Look, Willrow is a joke, nothing more.  I agree he probably won't sell well, but I don't think he'd sell any worse than Ellors Madak or Antilles/Dodonna did.  He has at least as much customizing potential as those.  But at the same time I think people are being foolish on multiple fronts: many of those figures, OT, clones, some Jedi and a Padme or two are locks within a very short period of time.  Voting for them is a bigger waste and plays right into Hasbro's hands.  I'd wager the fan's choice figure is already in preproduction.  The whole point of voting for Willrow is to stick it to a company that as you said once Hasbro makes it's mind up on something, it's set in stone.  I don't think ANY of the fan's choice figures have done anything great for Hasbro period.  Why change that? :P
Title: Re: Please Vote Willrow Hood
Post by: CHEWIE on March 17, 2006, 10:18 AM
I wish I had the time to read through this entire thread, but I've read most of it.  I don't like seeing good members here at each other's throats about a figure like this being made.  To some people ICMG would be a really nice addition to the line, to others it wouldn't.  I think that if it were made, the appeal of it would die down very quickly after it was made... but that's my opinion so nobody please get mad at me for stating it. 

I will say this though, if they do make it, he would need to be SA in every possible joint or there would be some pissed off people.  I just remember though, weren't essentially Antilles and Dodonna Fans Choice figures too?  They were solid pegwarmers from what I saw.  But there are going to be pegwarmers no matter what I supposed, but on this new packaging it seems the appeal is there to buy more stuff than ever.

I saw just make the figure in a Screen Scene or something, or even as an online exclusive like Oola was.  Or even in a regular assortment, I don't care.  I can just think of a lot more characters I'd rather see made, including repacks and rehashes.

 :P
Title: Re: Please Vote Willrow Hood
Post by: Dan on March 17, 2006, 10:31 AM
Wow-

I hadn't dropped in on this thread in some time. It looks like everyone needs to take a breath, and relax. Every single one of these things is a small plastic toy. All fans choice figures except Ephant have sat on the shelves. And even he showed up at KB on clearance, and can still be had for quite a cheap price on the secondary market.
I agree with Chewie, if ICMG gets the nod, it should be super articulated, and I would like to see it packed with an ugnaught to help it move. Most, if not all, of those characters in the top 25 will see plastic before 2018 or whenever the license ends. It's just a matter of when.
There is simply no right or wrong on an issue like this, and nobody should behave as if there is.

So I say to Hasbro, give me ICMG, or give me... well anything really, I can't find any action figure products in the stores.
Title: Re: Please Vote Willrow Hood
Post by: Jim on March 17, 2006, 10:47 AM
Wow-
All fans choice figures except Ephant have sat on the shelves.

The McQuarrie Trooper never sat either.  I only saw one of those at retail. 
Title: Re: Please Vote Willrow Hood
Post by: CHEWIE on March 17, 2006, 10:53 AM
That McQuarrie Stormtrooper was so underproduced IMO.

And yeah, like Bob Dylan SW fan said, packing in an Ugnaught with ICMG would be a wise move... or even a busted up IG droid.

 :P
Title: Re: Please Vote Willrow Hood
Post by: Darth Slothus on March 17, 2006, 11:11 AM
According to what I read... that IS actually THE disintegrated IG88 droid that Boba took out moments before the rebels arrived/ambush began.

A pack-in would be a great idea; like was mentioned before..1 to a case would make alot of folks pissed but they wouldn't have to worry about it not selling..especially when you consider how many saga cases are distributing now.
The difference between a possile ICMG and Mcquarrie stormy/E. Mon is that those saga cases came out in higher volume AND the figures(mentioned) were more desirable. If done now this figure would NOT be as desirable BUT.. if one to a case...would not likely pegwarm with the lower volume of cases shipping. 

Title: Re: Please Vote Willrow Hood
Post by: Jeff on March 17, 2006, 11:25 AM
I think that if it were made, the appeal of it would die down very quickly after it was made... 

I think that this statement applies to about, oh 17 of the figures on the "fan choice" list.

Let's be honest. 

- There are two figures that will sell no matter what:  Maul and Luke
- There are two figures that will be smash hits with Collectors:  Galactic Marine and Neyo
- There are two long-requested OT figures: Yarna and Hermi
- There are two long requested EU figures - Snowbunny Padme and Quinlon Vos

Other than those 8, everything else has some kind of strike against it - it's EU or it's a female character or it's a background character, etc etc etc.  


Does that mean Hasbro should never make those other 17 choices?  Of course not.  They just need to be careful about how they make them so they don't peg-warm.  There is always a reason why something peg-warms.  Over production, lack of desire for the figure, price.

People mention Ellors Madak as a peg-warmer?  The problem = he shipped at 3x per case.
People mention Amanaman as a peg-warmer?  The problem = he cost $10 bucks!

There is always a solution to prevent something from peg-warming.  In this case, all Hasbro has to do is keep the winner at a basic figure cost, pack them 1x per case in an assortment where they make sense and there should be no peg-warming problem for any of the figures.


I think that if Willrow Hood wins, there are plenty of ways to keep him from peg-warming and plenty of ways to keep him intersting.  For example, I'd love a Bespin Wave that looked like this:

2x Bespin Han Solo - NEW
2x Bespin Luke - NEW
2x Bespin Guard (Black) - NEW
1x Willrow Hood (Ice Cream Maker Guy) - NEW
2x vOTC Stormtrooper - repack
1x Lando Calrissian - repack
1x Cloud Car Pilot - repack
1x Princess Leia (Bespin) - repack

That fits the 6-8 figures in a wave; half new, half repack idea.  I don't see any problems with that and I don't think ICMG would pegwarm any more than Barada or Rieekan did.  He fits nicely into this wave/theme.


That is my #1 problem with all the EU figures on the list.  How can you construct a nice assortment for them to fit in?  I just gave an example of the perfect fit for ICMG so that he doesn't peg-warm.  Can the same be said for some of the other 17 figures? 

Where would you stick an HK-47?  Where would you stick a Bastilla Shan?  It's much easier and makes much more sense in my opinion to do a whole wave of KOTOR figures for that reason instead of just picking one out of the list and sticking it in an assortment. 

Same goes for the NJO figures on the list.  It's got to be much easier for Hasbro to just do a whole wave of NJO figures and include all of them - Anakin, Jaina, Jacen, Non, Mara, etc.
Title: Re: Please Vote Willrow Hood
Post by: Jayson on March 17, 2006, 11:38 AM
Nice post...

Way to put thing in perspective. You should work for the Big H. ;)
Title: Re: Please Vote Willrow Hood
Post by: Morgbug on March 17, 2006, 12:29 PM
I think that if it were made, the appeal of it would die down very quickly after it was made... 

I think that this statement applies to about, oh 17 of the figures on the "fan choice" list.

Let's be honest. 

- There are two figures that will sell no matter what:  Maul and Luke
- There are two figures that will be smash hits with Collectors:  Galactic Marine and Neyo
- There are two long-requested OT figures: Yarna and Hermi
- There are two long requested EU figures - Snowbunny Padme and Quinlon Vos

Other than those 8, everything else has some kind of strike against it - it's EU or it's a female character or it's a background character, etc etc etc.  


As far as sales go based on that list, what will sell is one of the following figures:
3. Clone Commander (Galactic Marine pictured)
4. Commander Neyo
7. Darth Maul
11. Hermi Odle
17. Luke Skywalker (ROTJ)
20. Padme Amidala (snowsuit)
23. Quinlan Vos
25. Yarna D'al Gargan

Oh sure, and Jeff's the genius here >:( ;)

Otherwise yeah, I entirely agree with Jeff. 

My biggest issue is with people casting votes for something that's going to see the light of day, regardless of whether it is deemed a fan choice or not.  I think that's a waste.  I really want Yarna, Hermi, Padme(s), clones and hell, I'll even buy another Maul if it's well done.  But those will all be made if this poll was never taken.  Hasbro does pay attention, they just take a while deciding to give us what we want, so we buy more crap along the way. 
Title: Re: Please Vote Willrow Hood
Post by: JesseVader08 on March 17, 2006, 01:12 PM
My biggest issue is with people casting votes for something that's going to see the light of day, regardless of whether it is deemed a fan choice or not.  I think that's a waste.  I really want Yarna, Hermi, 

I certainly agree with making your vote count, but do you really think Hasbro has always planned to make Yarna and Hermi?  I know they've made tons of background characters in the past, but I don't consider much a "sure thing" with Hasbro (well, except maybe Clones).
Title: Re: Please Vote Willrow Hood
Post by: Darth Delicious on March 17, 2006, 02:25 PM
I believe it's clear that I likened this thread to Nazi Germany, not JD in general. And the smiley face afterward is meant to indicate tongue in cheek hyperbole.  ;D

I just basically skimmed the latest responses...I'm in the middle of a deadline so I don't have time for a blow by blow analysis...but I'll try to make peace with the ICMG boosters here. I will concede even I, who have no interest in this figure, would be more inclined to buy it if Hasbro included a pack-in like a new Ugnaught sculpt.

-DD
Title: Re: Please Vote Willrow Hood
Post by: Morgbug on March 17, 2006, 02:35 PM
I certainly agree with making your vote count, but do you really think Hasbro has always planned to make Yarna and Hermi?  I know they've made tons of background characters in the past, but I don't consider much a "sure thing" with Hasbro (well, except maybe Clones).

Maybe not prior to the latest poll, no.  But now that they've made it to the top 25 I consider them to be absolutely made within two years.  Why?  They've now obtained an opinion on what OT figures people really want to see.  That's probably the most disturbing aspect of the poll result for me is that there is so little OT on there.  You can take it as a positive, in that much of what we could ever want has already been made.  You can take it as a negative, there won't be much in the way of OT figures coming in the future because there's relatively little demand.  

I see just about any OT figure on that list coming in future.

I see another wave of Clone Wars cartoon figures coming to accomodate Padme.

I see a new TPM wave coming to accomodate another Padme, Maul and possibly Vos as an EU-PT kind of thing.  

I see a wave or two with at least partial EU figure sets coming, possibly mixed with either PT or OT figures.  

Hasbro seems to like themed waves now and they seem to sell well, so why not stick with it?

I'm still of the opinion that we're heading towards a bit of the end for this line overall.  I think that's part of the reason for such a hard and fast push of product in early '06, to capitalize on the popularity hangover from the last movie.  

I don't expect great things out of the tv show(s), animation or tv movies or whatever else is planned.  I hope they're really well done, but I see Ewok Adventures and Droids all over again.  And you saw how many figures we got from that.  I do think Hasbro would like to keep the line popular until 2018, I just don't think interest will be held that long, short of a new set of movies coming.  Is that good or bad?  Both, I suppose, but it will depend on each persons opinion.  I was saddened when WOS ended, but now that that line is gone, I'm not really too depressed about it.  I'd have loved more Homer figures, but oh well.  Same for Star Wars.  There's not that many new figures I really have dreams about getting, nothing I MUST have.  Yeah there's stuff I want, but there's other toy lines, Star Wars or otherwise to spend my money on.  It's not THAT big of a deal to me.  
Title: Re: Please Vote Willrow Hood
Post by: Matt on March 17, 2006, 03:38 PM
I believe it's clear that I likened this thread to Nazi Germany, not JD in general. And the smiley face afterward is meant to indicate tongue in cheek hyperbole.  ;D

I just basically skimmed the latest responses...I'm in the middle of a deadline so I don't have time for a blow by blow analysis...but I'll try to make peace with the ICMG boosters here. I will concede even I, who have no interest in this figure, would be more inclined to buy it if Hasbro included a pack-in like a new Ugnaught sculpt.

I'll admit that I don't fully understand the mentality here.  It'd be like going into a "Motley Crue rules!" thread, saying "Motley Crue sucks!" and then wondering why everyone jumped your **** afterward.  And yeah, it's a discussion forum, sure, you have the right to, but there's also another, separate, general Fan's Choice thread, too, where you can talk up or talk down any character you want.  But to go into a pro-character thread, and then proceed to bash the hell out of that character--it just smacks of trolling to me. 

Hate on Willrow all you must, I say--but do it somewhere else.  Let the rest of us enjoy our little ICMG circle jerk while it lasts.
Title: Re: Please Vote Willrow Hood
Post by: Dhivael on March 17, 2006, 04:10 PM
I think we are creating a debate which should be consitered.
Title: Re: Please Vote Willrow Hood
Post by: Darth Slothus on March 17, 2006, 04:46 PM
I believe it's clear that I likened this thread to Nazi Germany, not JD in general. And the smiley face afterward is meant to indicate tongue in cheek hyperbole.  ;D

I just basically skimmed the latest responses...I'm in the middle of a deadline so I don't have time for a blow by blow analysis...but I'll try to make peace with the ICMG boosters here. I will concede even I, who have no interest in this figure, would be more inclined to buy it if Hasbro included a pack-in like a new Ugnaught sculpt.

I'll admit that I don't fully understand the mentality here.  It'd be like going into a "Motley Crue rules!" thread, saying "Motley Crue sucks!" and then wondering why everyone jumped your **** afterward.  And yeah, it's a discussion forum, sure, you have the right to, but there's also another, separate, general Fan's Choice thread, too, where you can talk up or talk down any character you want.  But to go into a pro-character thread, and then proceed to bash the hell out of that character--it just smacks of trolling to me. 

Hate on Willrow all you must, I say--but do it somewhere else.  Let the rest of us enjoy our little ICMG circle jerk while it lasts.

Yep, well said..smells like a troll..must be a troll. If you go into a 'please vote for willrow hood' thread and bash it then it appears you're here to cause trouble..and this applies to those who are bashing..where the bashing should go in another thread. If you bash here your in the wrong thread. This is a PRO thread obviously.
Title: Re: Please Vote Willrow Hood
Post by: Famine on March 17, 2006, 06:49 PM
Darth Delicious, I expected better of you than to liken anything ABOUT this place to Nazi Germany. I'm dissapointed in your form. >:(

Kevin
Title: Re: Please Vote Willrow Hood
Post by: CHEWIE on March 17, 2006, 09:57 PM
I don't like Nazi comparisons either, but I'm not going to hold it against him.  That's because I know DD, and he is a good guy who said something he probably shouldn't have.  We all do it from time to time, and at least he explained himself - I wouldn't say he meant it to be taken literally at all (are we killing people here, starting racism, etc? - no, just disagreeing with a point of view in a thread).  When there are bashing threads, then people shouldn't be told to go somewhere else if they don't agree with it.  It's dissent, and good for debate and one of the reasons this this topic is as active as it is.

And it's not like Scum, with kids who can't spell.  DD has offered why he doesn't want ICMG guy made.  Nothing wrong with that, he should be able to talk about his views in any thread about any topic.  As long as it's civilized and well thought out, say what you feel.  And it's not like he started an anti-ICMG topic, which I think would have pissed a few people off, but he should have right to do so.

Heck, I get bad feed back on my ideas in customizing/photonovels all the time.  Nazi comaprison or not, it's an opposing point of view than mine.  And remember my idea about  a 3-3/4 scale line I want to see in the Unleashed line rather than the small 2 inch midget versions?  I got lambasted for it in a thread by many elder members here that I hope respect my opinion... but was nonetheless shot down pretty hard, and was given the impression that they think I am an idiot.  I was disappointed in my friends here for that.  My thread on it was intended to talk positively about my idea.  So it can't go both ways, or the influence of Scum has finally reached this site, which I know we all don't want. 

Heck, I get told I'm crazy and talked down to when I open threads about Owen D's work, that I wish Hasbro would make them.  Some people can't read and got mad because they thought it was a real Hasbro item, so the thread got moved. 

I think real men should welcome a different opinion and be willing to debate instead of ignoring it, being upset about it, or bashing someone's opinion.  For an analogy, the latter is what the weaker political party and media does these days.  They ignore facts, want to to spread only their point of view and bash someone for disagreeing with them.  Like the black Massachusetts Representative, where he is ridiculed by his party and the media for not being a Democrat at his own rallies that are intended to PROMOTE him.  It's biased and if someone here at JD thinks people are either stupid or impatient and doesn't want to have their opinions shared, it's censorship.  That's turning into politics.  I think that is where DD was coming from with his analogy, that people may be acting like elitists who are voting for ICMG and that we have NO RIGHT to voice a contradictig opinion in this thread. 

I still love this site, but I wonder if I or someone else who has been here for a long time and dedicated a lot to build the community wanted a sticky topic or front page mention for their figure, it wouldn't be done because of the politics of some people in charge wanting ICMG.  I do appreciate the photonovesl being spotlighted though so much.

Again on the Nazi reference, I think DD said something I wouldn't consider saying or thinking, and don't think he meant it towards JD.  Just meant that this thread was leaning towards "if you disagree with us, then get out" by a couple people.  I don't think that's fair.  Dissent spurs conversation and is what forums are for.  Just my two cents.

Anyways, I love you all guys and this site is the best.  Just voicing my opinion here from what I see as a fair viewpoint.

 :P
Title: Re: Please Vote Willrow Hood
Post by: Angry Ewok on March 17, 2006, 10:35 PM
I think what several people are failing to understand is that this topic isn't stickied simply because one of our staff member's likes ICMG... The fact is that JediDefender picked up the ICMG petition in the days of its infancy, nearly 4 years ago, and this is our chance to finally get that ugly ass button off of our front page.

Please vote for ICMG.


Title: Re: Please Vote Willrow Hood
Post by: Jesse James on March 18, 2006, 01:25 AM
DD said he meant it (the Nazi remark) tongue-in-cheek for the most part, and was stating it about this thread...  I'm not sure I look fondly upon that either way it was intended, to be perfectly honest, but at the same time DD's spoken his part on Wilrow Hood and he disagrees.  That's something that has to be respected, so I'm just asking that all the people involved remember that.

At the same time Bill Cosby's point of going into a "Motley Crue Rules!" Thread and saying that they suck is a good analogy...  It's asking for trouble.  I think it's FAIR to say that if you want to trash ICMG, the thread ICMG's campaign is taking place in is probably not the best...  It's somewhat a situation of thread scemantics in some weird way, but I tend to agree that I think if you're going to voice the negative opinions on the figure that it's best to do so in the Fan's Choice Poll thread.

It's kind of like when a debate over some aspect of collecting arose at another forum either late last year or early this year (I forget exactly when I was reading this).  Someone started something along the lines of "Positive talk about ___ Figure", because he/she was sick of reading negatives about that figure elsewhere and mods weren't willing to step in and calm anything down.  It was just ugly.

The same people picked the same fights in the new thread though...  I think it defeated the purpose, and still no staff stepped in of course, but I think here it's fair to say that we'd like to have people have some "peace" if they want it on specific topics.  For the ICMG, he's got a campaign thread, and obviously if you WANT the figure this is the place to be...  If you don't, I think the general Fan's Choice thread is the place to voice that...

Does anyone see where I'm coming from with that? 

And again I ask that we keep the arguments civil.  Let's keep namecalling over an action figure to a minimum from all points of view, and debate the facts or perceived facts of the argument rather than the opinions of others.  Example; DD says that he thinks Aliens sell well to kids...  I don't, and I think I can back that up with plenty of past precedent too as to why.

As for the Nazi thing, it's been noticed, and like I said it wasn't looked upon well regardless of the tone...  I don't think it made anyone happy is what I'm saying, but at the same time that's all it did.  I don't think this thread has been a spiraling ****fest of mudslinging...  I think DD came into hostile territory and he had to know he did so, and I think the pro-ICMG crowd need to accept it's not the same for everyone...  I'm sure they do, actually, so it's not even a concern...  Let's kindly move this onward and upward from here though, please.

As far as whether we debate it here or over in the other thread...  You know my feelings on how we should proceed, but at the same time, unless other staff feel otherwise, I'm letting this take its natural course.
Title: Re: Please Vote Willrow Hood
Post by: Darth Slothus on March 18, 2006, 04:19 AM
Well stated peacemaker Jesse!
Good job-- this is a Pro(vote for) thread. The debate thread IS the other thread.
Title: Re: Please Vote Willrow Hood
Post by: Matt on March 18, 2006, 10:33 AM
I think real men should welcome a different opinion and be willing to debate instead of ignoring it, being upset about it, or bashing someone's opinion.  For an analogy, the latter is what the weaker political party and media does these days.  They ignore facts, want to to spread only their point of view and bash someone for disagreeing with them.  Like the black Massachusetts Representative, where he is ridiculed by his party and the media for not being a Democrat at his own rallies that are intended to PROMOTE him.  It's biased and if someone here at JD thinks people are either stupid or impatient and doesn't want to have their opinions shared, it's censorship.  That's turning into politics.  I think that is where DD was coming from with his analogy, that people may be acting like elitists who are voting for ICMG and that we have NO RIGHT to voice a contradictig opinion in this thread. 

(http://www.bleedinedge.com/forum/images/smilies/bonk.gif)

Why do you insist on bringing your political garbage into this thread?  That's the second time you've done it.  You're one of the most prolific posters on this entire board; surely you know that political talk (to bring the Nazi comparisons full-circle), is verboten around here.

As for alluding to certain people (read: me) not being a real man, yet being an elitist at the same time for not wanting contradictory opinions in this thread, like I said before:  Of course you have the right to offer an opposing viewpoint.  Nobody's debating that.  Just don't act all surprised and shocked when you're called out on it.  Unless that's what you were going for in the first place. . .  (http://www.hometheaterforum.com/htforum/images/smilies/crazy.gif) 

 :P
Title: Re: Please Vote Willrow Hood
Post by: CHEWIE on March 18, 2006, 11:58 AM
I'm certainly not trying to turn anything into politics one bit, and didn't mean to offend anyone by my "real men" comment either, just saying I think people should be open to a contradicting viewpoint, and if you want to censor an idea, it just doesn't seem right.  It seemed like people were ganging up on DD for a comment he made, that I really thought was taken a bit too seriously. 

As for politics, I was just trying to compare how I thought the thread was leaning towards a political analogy in pushing an agenda and not wanting a different opinion expressed in it.  I really wasn't trying to throw out a real world political agenda.  Sorry for any misunderstanding.

One of the definitions of politics is - The often internally conflicting interrelationships among people in a society

Because I perceived that as happening here, I was trying to say that this seems like a political agenda towards an action figure (it is voting after all) and threw out a comparison to something recent that I saw, where a political person was lambasted by his own party for having a different viewpoint than many people of his background have.

So this thread already had a political theme in my opinion before I said anything... at least to me it was.  I understand that my comments probably came off the wrong way.  I just felt like it wasn't being totally fair.  And I hope it isn't closed based on anything I said.  If anyone's mad at me for giving my opinion, I am sorry and I'll be happy to discuss via PM.  If after over 5,000 posts, that is only my second political comment, I think I'm doing ok but will work on not mentioning the word again.  I guess it kind of slipped out because I thought it was already political.

And I do want ICMG to be made too, it would be nice to get all those background characters made from the films, especially the OT.

And thanks Jesse for looking at this from both sides as you always seem to be able to do so.

 :P
Title: Re: Please Vote Willrow Hood
Post by: Matt on March 18, 2006, 01:19 PM
Do you think that there's maybe a difference between discussing the politics of Hasbro making an action figure, and discussing the politics of the United States government? 

I'm totally open to contradicting viewpoints, but only where it's appropriate.  A general "Fan's Choice discussion" thread is appropriate; a "please vote Willrow Hood" thread is not.  To put it into terms you might be familiar with--what if you were a political candidate, and instead of debating the issues at Town Hall, you decided instead to do it at a rally for the opposing candidate?  What do you think would happen?

:P
Title: Re: Please Vote Willrow Hood
Post by: CHEWIE on March 18, 2006, 01:47 PM
Bill, you think it's ok in one thread, but not in another?  I was just saying that it happens everywhere in real life, right or wrong - it happens.  I would have rather it not been brought up, but it happens all the time in threads where someone started a Pro-Discussion on other figures - so this isn't the first time it's happened here or anywhere - and I don't remember you saying some can't diasagree in a particular thread before (like the 3-3/4" Unleashed Thread - I open a thread supporting that idea but when someone disagreed with it I never said they shouldn't post their opinion in my thread).

You were asking for there to not be any political comments made in here, so I won't comment on your political candidate/town hall question.  If you want to discuss further, I'll be more than happy to discuss through PM.

Anyways, my apologies to Scott for this thread heading in the direction it has.

 :P
Title: Re: Please Vote Willrow Hood
Post by: Nicklab on March 18, 2006, 01:58 PM
Sorry Scott, but while I know you've been a big proponent of ICMG, I can't vote that way.  FWIW, my choice of a Clone Wars Saesee Tiin in space armor got shot down in the prelims, but I like some of the other choices in the poll finals more than Willrow Hood.  I haven't decided yet which one to go with, but some of the other choices are pretty good.

One thing I will offer in support of some of the discussion here is that there should be DISCUSSION.  Let people speak their piece if they're offering a genuine viewpoint and they're not just being contrarian.  Trolls are always very easy to spot.  But the fact that someone thinks otherwise is no excuse for people to gang up on someone who disagrees with the majority.  A myopic viewpoint when combined with heavy handed moderation can lead people to think that a forum is more of an exclusive club, rather than an open arena for discussion.
Title: Re: Please Vote Willrow Hood
Post by: Matt on March 18, 2006, 02:04 PM
You were asking for there to not be any political comments made in here, so I won't comment on your political candidate/town hall question.  If you want to discuss further, I'll be more than happy to discuss through PM.

I was asking a general question, in terms that I thought you would understand, taking care not to mention any specific political parties or candidates by name. 

You, on the other hand, mentioned voting for Dubya (twice!), and then went on to say this:

Quote
For an analogy, the latter is what the weaker political party and media does these days.  They ignore facts, want to to spread only their point of view and bash someone for disagreeing with them.  Like the black Massachusetts Representative, where he is ridiculed by his party and the media for not being a Democrat at his own rallies that are intended to PROMOTE him.  It's biased and if someone here at JD thinks people are either stupid or impatient and doesn't want to have their opinions shared, it's censorship.

Do you not see what the difference is?  Please tell me you're really not this dense, and that this whole obtuseness/daftness thing you've got going on is really just a put-on, and I'm just not in on the joke yet.

Title: Re: Please Vote Willrow Hood
Post by: CHEWIE on March 18, 2006, 02:10 PM
Nicklab - Good post and I agree 100% with what you said.

BillCosby - Of course there is a difference between a person in office and a thread for a figure.  Your comment though about me being "dense" is borderline getting offensive, and I barely ever get offended by anyone, so please let's lay off on trying to insult each other's intelligence here.

 :P
Title: Re: Please Vote Willrow Hood
Post by: Matt on March 18, 2006, 02:16 PM
Again, Chewie, I'll ask (and keep in mind this is a general question--you can pretend they're space politicians from the distant planet of Nebulon, if that helps you):

What if you were a political candidate, and instead of debating the issues at Town Hall, you decided instead to do it at a rally for the opposing candidate?  What do you think would happen?



(Might make a good photonovel, actually. . .  The Space Politicians of Nebulon. . .)
Title: Re: Please Vote Willrow Hood
Post by: JesseVader08 on March 18, 2006, 02:25 PM
This is getting ridiculous.  This thread, and all threads, are for discussion, whether for or against an idea.  Obviously, this thread was made with the idea of supporting ICMG as the Fan Choice figure.  But when someone suggests they like a different figure, no one should get crucified for it.  On the other hand, if a person with the opposing view does it in a way that is rude, I don't think they should be surprised when others are offended by that.

Now play nice or I'm locking the ******* thread for a while.
Title: Re: Please Vote Willrow Hood
Post by: CHEWIE on March 18, 2006, 02:42 PM
Bill, I think it would be wrong if done in a place like you suggested, however it's a person's right - protest demonstrations are allowed outside of a function like that.  But this is a forum where discussions of all viewpoints are allowed in each thread, and the mods have done the right thing in leaving it open.  So the two may be similar in some aspects but are at the same time different in others.  That's the answer to your question.  So this doesn't get locked (which would be a shame for Scott) if you want to continue, please just PM me.

And sorry to everyone else that this got way out of hand.  I never should have mentioned anything to do with politics because I should have known how the reaction would be.  My bad.

 :P
Title: Re: Please Vote Willrow Hood
Post by: Darth Delicious on March 19, 2006, 03:35 AM
I think a big problem with society today (and politics especially) is that no one DOES go to the opposing camp and ask the tough questions. During the last election there were a lot of tough questions that weren't asked of either candidate, although one got far more roasting by the media, if never put in a position to be asked directly. And the other candidtae never had the questions about his record really asked at all, and certainly never directly. Not entirely appliable here in the same way, and I want to move this out of the political arena, but our dialogue is broken badly in the country, be it on politics or something as mundane as an action figure poll.

It's especially broken on the internet which seems to bring out the worst in all of us and degenerate into namecalling even faster. Maybe because the anonymity adds a certain brashness, but if say, Slothus, Cosby, or myself were speaking face to face I doubt it would ever get to that level of confrontation. So as I'm as guilty of that as anyone, I apologize.

As for the Nazi Germany analogy, it's not intended as anything other than a Norm MacDonald reference when confronted with something not being allowed, and referring to it in ridicuously overblown fashion. For example: "Lap Dancing was recently outlawed in Los Angeles...or as I like to refer to it, Nazi Germany." Sorry if you were offended, Famine. As I value you as a friend on this board I sincerely apologize.

What I can't apologize for though, is disagreeing on whether or not a figure is lame. I should be able to do that without people automatically making the fight personal, even if this is a "pro willrow" board. And it certainly shouldn't lead to the "anonymous" reader who sent a threat of physical violence against me and my family to my e-mail. (You know who you are, although I sincerely doubt you'd have the stones to try it.)

So out of respect to Jesse James, JesseVader, Scott, and any of the other mods I forgot, sorry to start this firestorm. I'm now officially done discussing ICMG.

-DD

Title: Re: Please Vote Willrow Hood
Post by: Fritzkrieg on March 19, 2006, 09:26 AM
The Empire has inavded your City and you only have Time to Grab one Precious Belonging before evacuating. Desicions, what do you take? Your precious Pet, Clothing, Money, a cherished Family airloom, or The Ice Cream Maker!
Title: Re: Please Vote Willrow Hood
Post by: Nicklab on March 19, 2006, 10:56 AM
I finally made my choice, and I chose Darth Malak.  This was a tough poll, because I think there were a number of good choices.  Here's my methodology...

The Clones - Both of these Clones are bound to be made.  Hasbro has come to recognize just how much of a market there is for Clone Troopers, so I think that both Commander Neyo and the Galactic Marine are bound to be made by Hasbro within at least the next couple of years.

Luke Throne Room Duel - This figure has got to be in the pipeline.  There's been enough whining and complaining about it that it's bound to be made in a form that's similar to that of the VOTC line.  Just give it some time.

Ultimate Darth Maul - This figure's already been done in the Sith Lords Evolution set.

Kir Kanos - The rumors have been around since last year that this is going to be an Entertainment Earth exclusive.  Why waste the vote?

Quinlan Vos - Out of all of the EU figures, I think this one has the best likelihood of being made.

Clone Wars Padme - I think the Clone Wars animated line has some legs.  The demand for the WalMart 3-packs was pretty serious.  There are bound to be some more Clone Wars animated figures at some point, and I think Padme is bound to be part of that.

Padme in black leather - Uhhhh... why does this sound like a fanboy's disgusting little fantasy?  Just the seediness of this makes me turn away from it.

Dead Padme - Yeah, this is what we need.  An action figure of a CORPSE.  An action figure of a woman who died in childbirth.  How pleasant.   

The NJO characters - I hate to lump them all together, but I really have no connection with the NJO characters.  As such I can't invest the vote with these characters.

Kyle Katarn - We already have a Kyle Katarn.  Do we really need another?

Mara Jade Skywalker - Same deal as Kyle Katarn.  I'd rather have an all new figure than another version of a character that I don't read that much about.

Corran Horn - I seriously thought about voting for Horn.  I've heard the name over and over again, but the thing is, I haven't read a single thing featuring Corran Horn.  Haven't read about you, not voting for you.  Sorry dude.

Hermi Odle - This figure very nearly got my vote.  I think that a fan poll would put this figure over the top.  In fact, I think this one may win the poll, or at the very least get some serious consideration from Hasbro at some point in time.  I decided to invest my vote otherwise.

Yarna d'al Gargan - There have been a lot of calls for this figure over the years.  Why, I don't know.  This is quite possibly the ugliest character ever in the Star Wars universe.  And franky, I don't want to get that vomit taste in my mouth when I look at my Jabba's palace diorama.

Ice Cream Maker Guy - I know there's been a buzz about this guy from a number of collectors on a number of forums.  But you know what?  It's not even a choice for me.  It's kitschy and weird, but seriously, this is like having a Marvel Avengers or Fantastic Four toy line and having a Willie Lumpkin (the mailman) figure.  It's become an inside joke and just isn't that funny, just as most inside jokes aren't funny.

The KOTOR characters - This is where I decided to invest my vote.  I weighed the choices pretty well.  There's Darth Nihilus.  He's an incredibly cool looking character.  But he doesn't seem that important in the grand scheme of KOTOR II.  Darth Sion seems like a better choice, but he didn't even make the finals.  HK-47 is cool, but definitely an ancillary character.  Bastilla is cool, but not as important a character as the two Sith lords in this game.  Revan?  You ARE Revan if you've ever played KOTOR.  Thing is you just don't know it until late in the game, and the character isn't readily identifiable since there are a number of variables you can choose in building your player character.  The only option is to choose Revan as his Dark Lord persona with a mask.  You only get to see that in flashbacks.  With all of that in mind, I chose Darth Malak.  He seems like the most identifiable of the KOTOR characters.  Here's hoping that he wins.
Title: Re: Please Vote Willrow Hood
Post by: Scott on March 19, 2006, 03:38 PM
Oh...

And I or anyone else didn't name good ole Willrow

That would be Decipher

(http://www.decipher.com/starwars/cardlists/cloudcity/light/images/tibannagasminer.gif)

He's already part of the EU...I hope we can make him a bigger one
Title: Re: Please Vote Willrow Hood
Post by: Ithorian Clergy on March 19, 2006, 03:42 PM


He's already part of the EU...I hope we can make him a bigger one

Would an onscreen figure really be considered EU?  I mean, Boba Fett only had a few seconds more screentime than ICMG, so I don't think duration of screentime really matters.

Kyle Katarn, Scorch, McQuarrie Concepts...these I consider EU.
Title: Re: Please Vote Willrow Hood
Post by: Scott on March 19, 2006, 03:45 PM
The name and occupation are as EU as Ponda Baba or Wuher are...I wasn't talking about his appearance in ESB ;)
Title: Re: Please Vote Willrow Hood
Post by: Diddly on March 19, 2006, 06:42 PM
I'm using every email address I have to vote Hood. I'll even tell my non SW fans to vote Hood also!
Title: Re: Please Vote Willrow Hood
Post by: Darth Paul on March 19, 2006, 11:09 PM
Chalk up another vote for ICMG....go Willrow!
Title: Re: Please Vote Willrow Hood
Post by: CHEWIE on March 19, 2006, 11:58 PM
Looks like ICMG is doing pretty good by the support here.  That's nice to see.  I'm sure pick, Yarna will be beaten out by ICMG or some clone.

I really don't want to see a clone win in though. 

 :P
Title: Re: Please Vote Willrow Hood
Post by: CHEWIE on March 20, 2006, 04:11 PM
I don't know if anyone's made this analogy before but it just hit me that he looks like he's trying to get a first down.  Maybe someone could convert a McFarlane football figure into a Willrow Hood Unleashed figure.   ;D

(http://www.lipshaw.com/images/nfl2_mfaulk_photo_02_sm.jpg)

 :P

Title: Re: Please Vote Willrow Hood
Post by: Gatillo on March 20, 2006, 05:24 PM
Well he is running away from danger and carrying something, hmmm ::)
Title: Re: Please Vote Willrow Hood
Post by: Nathan on March 20, 2006, 06:22 PM
Maybe someone could convert a McFarlane football figure into a Willrow Hood Unleashed figure.   ;D

That's so crazy it just might work!
Title: Re: Please Vote Willrow Hood
Post by: IndianaVader on March 21, 2006, 08:53 PM
I would have voted for ICMG, but I ultimately went with Bastila Shan.  But my IP address changes every time I restart my computer, so I'll probably throw a few votes his way.

I'm with you guys in spirit, and will definately buy him if he gets made.

_Max
Title: Re: Please Vote Willrow Hood
Post by: Ryan on March 21, 2006, 09:43 PM
Chalk one more up for everyone's favorite Ice Cream Man. :)
Title: Re: Please Vote Willrow Hood
Post by: jadesfire on March 22, 2006, 12:47 PM
Well, I voted for ICMG because I remember the petition and all the fun we had joking about it.  I only have one request if he is made, will you autograph one for me Scott??  ;)
Title: Re: Please Vote Willrow Hood
Post by: IndianaVader on March 22, 2006, 12:52 PM
Haha, yeah, that'd be bad-ass!

_Max
Title: Re: Please Vote Willrow Hood
Post by: Angry Ewok on March 22, 2006, 03:50 PM
Yea, I'll ditto that. If the ICMG gets made, I want one autographed MOC.
Title: Re: Please Vote Willrow Hood
Post by: Jayson on March 22, 2006, 04:37 PM
We should start a list for autograph requests for Scott if the ICMG gets made.
Title: Re: Please Vote Willrow Hood
Post by: Darth Slothus on March 22, 2006, 06:05 PM
Put me on there! ;D
Title: Re: Please Vote Willrow Hood
Post by: Jediknight760071 on March 27, 2006, 06:43 PM
That would be the coolest thing ever. I'm in if Scott's in. ;) :-*
Title: Re: Please Vote Willrow Hood
Post by: Ghost of QG on March 27, 2006, 10:12 PM
Can't do it. Gotta vote for Vos.
Title: Re: Please Vote Willrow Hood
Post by: Dan on March 28, 2006, 07:49 AM
Lovin the Willrow movement- very entertaining reading!  ;D
Title: Re: Please Vote Willrow Hood
Post by: Darth Slothus on April 8, 2006, 03:04 AM
When do we find out who hasbro pre-made won?
Title: Re: Please Vote Willrow Hood
Post by: Jediknight760071 on April 10, 2006, 11:01 PM
What, you got Coleman Trebor syndrome? ;)
Title: Re: Please Vote Willrow Hood
Post by: Morgbug on April 25, 2006, 01:40 PM
(http://www.jedidefender.com/spearson/ecg.gif)


You know, it's interesting.  I never before had any real love for Willrow, other than it was a character that a friend of mine had pushed hard for.  I thought it was entertaining and his role, it would seem, is no more or less important than any of the 163 other figures Hasbro has made with approximately the same amount of screen time. 

But on closer inspection of the video Scott kindly provided I noticed something.  If you watch closely, you can see that Lando very nearly collides with Willrow.  This may seem minor to you, but I've come to the conclusion that this is indeed a critical point in the movie and for the success of the trilogy itself. 

Why?  You'll notice that Lando (and Leia) are slowed down only momentarily, but that was the crucial interference necessary for Boba Fett to get away with Han Solo.  Had Willrow not caused the momentary delay, Lando and Leia would have been able to rescue Han.  After all, it didn't take much in ROTJ to dispatch a lame-ass bounty hunter like Fett, so surely it would have been easy for someone as daring and brave as Lando to do the same. 

Now you may be thinking that would make Willrow a villain in your eyes.  To thee I say NAY, NAY, tis not so.  Your perspective is entirely wrong and I'll explain why:

That Boba Fett escapes with Han and returns him to Jabba the Hutt for the bounty on Han's head means our intrepid heroes of the rebellion (minus Han Solo, of course) must spend very nearly the first half of ROTJ on Tatooine, in varied attempts to rescue Han Solo (and subsequently Chewie, C-3PO, R2-D2 and Leia).  They and Luke are, as we all know, ultimately successful and this is a good thing. 

This is important for two factors:
1. As toy collectors, we would have been impoverished if not for the actions of Willrow.  Had Willrow not delayed Lando et al., Han would have been rescued and there would have been no Jabba's palace, no Jabba's barge and no accessory characters, meaning our collections would be reduced by probably 20% or more of the total figures we had.  No Rebo band (original or digitally enlarged, much like Colman's penis), no Amanaman, no Rancor, etc.   And worse, Y'arna Dal Gargan wouldn't even be in the poll, so casting a vote for her is a waste, for she wouldn't even exist were it not for Willrow Hood.

2.  The truly critical factor is that Willrow is responsible for LESS time for Ewoks in ROTJ than the abominable amount they were already allowed.  Had the heroes rescued Han before he left Cloud City it is not too far fetched to imagine that the entire story would have taken place on Endor, or at the very least a more significant proportion of it.  That would have meant even more time for Ewoks, those accursed little furballs that begat Jar Jar Binks.  Remember, liking Ewoks infers a love for Jar Jar, so be careful where your allegiances lie, for yoosa may be showing your true leanings. 

No, without Willrow Hood, we'd have been even more inundated by those stupid little tribbles Ewoks.  Ewok haters of the world unite!  Vote for Willrow Hood!
Title: Re: Please Vote Willrow Hood
Post by: LandotheScoundrel on April 25, 2006, 03:36 PM
Hey, where is that ICMG logo I whipped up when you started the campaign?


Title: Re: Please Vote Willrow Hood
Post by: Roton7 on April 25, 2006, 06:34 PM
why is this thread stickied?
Title: Re: Please Vote Willrow Hood
Post by: JesseVader08 on April 25, 2006, 07:05 PM
why is this thread stickied?

Because a retired staff member, Scott, has been working for years to get this figure made and we're supporting him in that endeavour.  Check out his petition (http://www.geocities.com/ocb75/).

No, without Willrow Hood, we'd have been even more inundated by those stupid little tribbles Ewoks.  Ewok haters of the world unite!  Vote for Willrow Hood!

Brent, Brent, Brent.  I was wondering if your hatred for our furry little friends would come through...  ;)
Title: Re: Please Vote Willrow Hood
Post by: Jesse James on April 25, 2006, 07:24 PM
Not to mention the petition for Wilrow Hood, the ICMG, has been a front page staple here at JediDefender.com since I have been around...  WIth him having a legitimate shot at being made for once, I'm all in for Hood...

Hood is Good in 2006!
Title: Re: Please Vote Willrow Hood
Post by: Morgbug on April 25, 2006, 09:10 PM
Brent, Brent, Brent.  I was wondering if your hatred for our furry little friends would come through...  ;)

Is it ever hidden from sight?
Title: Re: Please Vote Willrow Hood
Post by: Lord Mantha on April 28, 2006, 10:05 AM
i voted for him. and vos... and kanos...and Luke. for some reason, i was able to vote several times
Title: Re: Please Vote Willrow Hood
Post by: JACKOFTRADZE on April 28, 2006, 05:10 PM
I asked everyone at my work, email contacts & family to vote for him, even the ones who were not interested in Star Wars.
My girlfriend even did the same because she know how much I want this figure. ;D i
Last I counted I gathered 110 votes.

I have a question about that voting poll: Why is a SA Darth Maul on there! We just got one. SA Luke will get made eventually.
as for the Solo twins i rather stick to whats "real". not that what if stuff of EU. :-X
Title: Re: Please Vote Willrow Hood
Post by: JesseVader08 on April 28, 2006, 08:09 PM
i voted for him. and vos... and kanos...and Luke. for some reason, i was able to vote several times

Of course you could.  That doesn't mean they will be counted.
Title: Re: Please Vote Willrow Hood
Post by: JACKOFTRADZE on April 30, 2006, 09:55 PM
If I am not mistaken someone reported being able to vote many times with the FireFox brower.
I would think Toyfare would look at IP address.
Vote on differnet computers is the only solution. I vote myself on 4.

I want my Willrow to round out my Bespin crew..... ;D
Title: Re: Please Vote Willrow Hood
Post by: Scott on June 3, 2006, 02:59 PM
All I know is this...iof they are making this piece of ****, they sure as hell could make ICMG. 

(http://www.jedidefender.com/news/images/6-06/naboo_naboo.jpg)
Title: Re: Please Vote Willrow Hood
Post by: Reid on June 3, 2006, 04:07 PM
All I know is this...iof they are making this piece of ****, they sure as hell could make ICMG. 

(http://www.jedidefender.com/news/images/6-06/naboo_naboo.jpg)

 >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
Title: Re: Please Vote Willrow Hood
Post by: Gatillo on June 3, 2006, 06:58 PM
I have to say that is one ****** "pilot"
Title: Re: Please Vote Willrow Hood
Post by: Reid on June 3, 2006, 06:59 PM
I have to say that is one ****** "pilot"

Don't make me take off my belt...
Title: Re: Please Vote Willrow Hood
Post by: Jediknight760071 on June 3, 2006, 07:07 PM
Unproportional at the least.


I guess Hasbro still thinks it's 1982. ::)
Title: Re: Please Vote Willrow Hood
Post by: Gatillo on June 3, 2006, 07:26 PM
Exactly, it looks like those toys you get at the dollar store for 50 cents
Title: Re: Please Vote Willrow Hood
Post by: Smartypants1635 on June 4, 2006, 06:01 PM
Well we can't change anything about it unless We have a rabid ewok terrorize the factory with a rock on a stick.
Title: Re: Please Vote Willrow Hood
Post by: JACKOFTRADZE on June 9, 2006, 12:10 PM
He will be good for making custom background scrubs...................a greedo head will look great on that body.
Title: Re: Please Vote Willrow Hood
Post by: Jesse James on June 12, 2006, 12:31 AM
Call me spanky but I love the Naboo guy...  Pinhead aside, he's a good figure to me...  Army builder and all that. 

Is the body possibly a good base for ICMG?  Hmmmm...  If so I'd be ok with Hasbro re-using that.  OCB, what say you?
Title: Re: Please Vote Willrow Hood
Post by: Reid on June 12, 2006, 06:55 AM
Call me spanky but I love the Naboo guy... 

Then call me spanky too.
Title: Re: Please Vote Willrow Hood
Post by: JACKOFTRADZE on June 12, 2006, 02:51 PM
I do not have the figure in front of me to compare to but did they reuse the fire speeder pilot legs on the Naboo mechanic? ???
Title: Re: Please Vote Willrow Hood
Post by: Roton7 on June 12, 2006, 06:49 PM
It looks like you are right!
Title: Re: Please Vote Willrow Hood
Post by: CHEWIE on June 14, 2006, 12:17 PM
I like this Naboo guy a lot.... I guess you either love him or hate him...

 :)
Title: Re: Please Vote Willrow Hood
Post by: JACKOFTRADZE on June 14, 2006, 08:07 PM
How can anyone "Hate" him. He is better than alot of past figures. While I am not jumping for joy, he is great for customs and background fodder. Count me in for 2-4!

Something about him makes me want to slap a Rodian head on him.....................

He just might be a prelude to ICMG.
Title: Re: Please Vote Willrow Hood
Post by: CHEWIE on June 14, 2006, 10:29 PM
Count me in for 4 to leave as unaltered, and probably 2-3 more for customs of that Naboo guy.

 :)
Title: Re: Please Vote Willrow Hood
Post by: Smartypants1635 on June 15, 2006, 05:18 PM
Only 2 or 3? Justin I can't beleive you don't want more of these primo figs. :D
Title: Re: Please Vote Willrow Hood
Post by: JACKOFTRADZE on June 25, 2006, 11:01 AM
So the list on Rebelscum really knocked out a lot of the Fans choice figures:

1. Luke Jedi Knight (Final Duel version, remember Yoda said he is only a Jedi knight when he confronts Vader)
2. Quinlan Vos
3. Hermie
4. Galactic Marine
5. I bet that clone trooper is the Airborne one)
6. Kir Kanos

So with that being said we are that much closer to our Bespin Berry Blasting pal!

Come on Hasbro the line up will really be complete with the ICMG!
Title: Re: Please Vote Willrow Hood
Post by: Dan on July 17, 2006, 11:21 AM
Bummer about Willrow this go-round. I was watching A New Hope last night, and thought of another classic character we still need - the fueling guys on Yavin. He can come in two distinct flavors, and  with a fueling hose.
Also Saurins. I must have seen 4 different ones between the cantina and tatooine street set dressing. I'm surprised these buggers haven't shown up yet- just a trandoshan style head on an ugnaught body-
Title: Re: Please Vote Willrow Hood
Post by: Jayson on July 17, 2006, 11:29 AM
Bummer about Willrow this go-round. I was watching A New Hope last night, and thought of another classic character we still need - the fueling guys on Yavin. He can come in two distinct flavors, and  with a fueling hose.
Also Saurins. I must have seen 4 different ones between the cantina and tatooine street set dressing. I'm surprised these buggers haven't shown up yet- just a trandoshan style head on an ugnaught body-

You and I must have been on the same wave length, I watched ANH too looking for figures that could be made.
Title: The Hasbro Willrow Hood "Joke"
Post by: Reid on July 21, 2006, 04:27 PM
(http://www.rebelscum.com/sdcc06/sdcc06-HasbroQA/IMG_8187.JPG)

Scott's gonna have a heart attack...
Title: Re: Willrow Hood Confirmed For '07!
Post by: Scott on July 21, 2006, 04:29 PM
I think that is a joke...very cruel at that :'(
Title: Re: Willrow Hood Confirmed For '07!
Post by: Jayson on July 21, 2006, 04:30 PM
It is a joke. The next frame of the presentations says "scheduled release date 4/1/07" (April Fool's Day)

No ICMG for us  :'(
Title: Re: Willrow Hood Confirmed For '07!
Post by: Reid on July 21, 2006, 04:31 PM
Dang!
Title: Re: Willrow Hood Confirmed For '07!
Post by: Brian on July 21, 2006, 04:31 PM
Yeah, I started to get excited too until I saw the "4/1/07" print.  Kind of a craptastic joke.
Title: Re: Willrow Hood Confirmed For '07!
Post by: Morgbug on July 21, 2006, 04:31 PM
What a bunch of ********.  Nice joke Hasblow. >:(
Title: Re: Willrow Hood Confirmed For '07!
Post by: Jayson on July 21, 2006, 04:32 PM
Just to rub it in more... the Hasbro panel laughed about it.

 >:(
Title: Re: Willrow Hood Confirmed For '07!
Post by: evenflow on July 21, 2006, 04:33 PM
Very messed up on their parts honestly. By them doing that it shows they know we want them but they don't care. Not too happy about it.
Title: Re: Willrow Hood Confirmed For '07!
Post by: Reid on July 21, 2006, 04:34 PM
Jared or some other JD guy at the Con should've knocked their teeth so far down their throat they'd have to drop their pants to chew their food...

Seriously.

Bastards.
Title: Re: Willrow Hood Confirmed For '07!
Post by: Morgbug on July 21, 2006, 04:39 PM
Just to clarify as well, it applies equally to Yarna.  Why mock two figures that were supposedly in the top 25 according to fan survey?  It's fairly obvious from the Xtra Crispy Beru and Lars that it's a joke, but how is that entertaining. 

Get 'em Colman.
Title: Re: Willrow Hood Confirmed For '07!
Post by: speedermike on July 21, 2006, 04:40 PM
The fact that they consider Yarna a figure that would be as odd/bad taste/strange as dead Owen and Beru is a drag.  They really AREN'T listening.
Title: Re: Willrow Hood Confirmed For '07!
Post by: Brian on July 21, 2006, 04:41 PM
Yeah, and when you think about it - although their "power point" presentations aren't exactly put together really well, they had to go through the trouble to get those pictures/names together just to be a "screw you" to collectors.  Really there isn't any other reason to do it, this is Comic Con, so its more about collectors than kiddos here.  Maybe we're too sensitive, but it is kind of crappy.
Title: Re: Willrow Hood Confirmed For '07!
Post by: Dressel Rebel on July 21, 2006, 04:41 PM
That's some bull**** right there.

But I'm going to let it go given that Galactic Marine and Parjai Trooper.
Title: Re: Willrow Hood Confirmed For '07!
Post by: evenflow on July 21, 2006, 05:07 PM
Just to clarify as well, it applies equally to Yarna. 

Thats why i am annoyed. She is my #1 most wanted figure. 2 characters that were in the top 25 that i am sure did well should not be mocked.
Title: Re: Willrow Hood Confirmed For '07!
Post by: Scott on July 21, 2006, 05:16 PM
Colman relayed that Hasbro knows we really do want Willrow and Yarna...there was much applause when they went up on the screen...bastards >:(
Title: Re: Willrow Hood Confirmed For '07!
Post by: Rob on July 21, 2006, 05:17 PM
That really WOULD be the best wave ever - and after showing 500 products that are mostly ****, they have the nerve to make a joke like that?


**** that.
Title: Re: Willrow Hood Confirmed For '07!
Post by: Gatillo on July 21, 2006, 05:20 PM
I think Hasbro has taken the messing with us to the next level.  Now they openly mock us over what we want from the line. 

I feel like kicking some ass.
Title: Re: Willrow Hood Confirmed For '07!
Post by: evenflow on July 21, 2006, 05:21 PM
Its just not cool. That woul dhave been an incredible wave. I want burnt Uncle owen and Aunt Beru.  ;D
Title: Re: Willrow Hood Confirmed For '07!
Post by: Jediknight760071 on July 21, 2006, 05:28 PM
We should melt the new coins down and form them into bullets; then...La Révolution.

This is such a bastard thing to do. Just think of how much of your paycheck goes to Hasbro, only to be laughed at in the aftermath of 10+ years of straight collecting.

*******. I for one would love that wave.
Title: Re: Willrow Hood Confirmed For '07!
Post by: Rob on July 21, 2006, 05:31 PM
I've spent around $1300.00 on SW toys (3 3/4" line) this year.

Figure by the end of the year that number will be around $2000.00

With the product Hasbro is showing for next year, I'm looking forward to reducing that number by about 75%.

Title: Re: Willrow Hood Confirmed For '07!
Post by: Nirvana on July 21, 2006, 05:32 PM
That's pretty gay.
Title: Re: Willrow Hood Confirmed For '07!
Post by: evenflow on July 21, 2006, 05:33 PM
It really would have been the perfect time for Yarna especially becuase of the coins. They already had the concept drawing from the old POTF coins  :-[
Title: Re: Willrow Hood Confirmed For '07!
Post by: Reid on July 21, 2006, 05:34 PM
Someone needs to bring up this question in a Q&A, lets see if they'll laugh then.
Title: Re: Willrow Hood Confirmed For '07!
Post by: Jayson on July 21, 2006, 06:36 PM
A kick in the seeds from the official site too  >:( >:( >:( >:(

http://www.starwars.com/community/event/con/f20060718/indexp4.html
Title: Re: Willrow Hood Confirmed For '07!
Post by: evenflow on July 21, 2006, 06:42 PM
Unless they actually intend to release Yarna and Willrow this year, this is just cruel.
Title: Re: Willrow Hood Confirmed For '07!
Post by: Reid on July 21, 2006, 06:44 PM
Derryl DePriest must DIE!
Title: Re: Willrow Hood Confirmed For '07!
Post by: Resurrection Bob on July 21, 2006, 06:45 PM
It would actually be really cool if that exact wave really was released on April 1st.
Title: Re: Willrow Hood Confirmed For '07!
Post by: Angry Ewok on July 21, 2006, 06:55 PM
Man, that's just about as sick as the time Scott told me there were a line of Ewoks due in April...

Hasbro probably included those two figures to make the surprise of their announcement that much more explosive. Yarna and ICMG will be made.

Title: Re: Willrow Hood Confirmed For '07!
Post by: evenflow on July 21, 2006, 07:02 PM
Man, that's just about as sick as the time Scott told me there were a line of Ewoks due in April...

Hasbro probably included those two figures to make the surprise of their announcement that much more explosive. Yarna and ICMG will be made.



I really hope that is the case...by my count there are 5 spots left for the 10 fan choice figures. I hope they are 2 of the 5.
Title: Re: Willrow Hood Confirmed For '07!
Post by: Diddly on July 21, 2006, 07:03 PM
 >:(
...
...
...
...
 :'(

Lame. What a horrible joke.
Title: Re: Willrow Hood Confirmed For '07!
Post by: Darth Broem on July 21, 2006, 07:41 PM
Yeah, that was pretty lame Hasbro.  Oh well, it's their own fault for missing out on 2 sales from me - Yarna and ICMG.  Real smart there morons. 
Title: Re: Willrow Hood Confirmed For '07!
Post by: Dressel Rebel on July 21, 2006, 08:28 PM
Actually this little lineup that they "joked" about is better than about 75% of the garbage they unveiled today:

#53 Willrow Hood (the Cloud City civilian carrying the "ice-cream maker")
#54 Yarna (the multi-breasted dancer in Jabba's Palace)
#55 "X-tra Crispy Beru & Lars"
#56 Jawa 2-pack
#57 Funeral Pyre Qui-Gon Jinn
#58 Funeral Pyre Darth Vader


The only stuff they showed today that I'd buy before this wave is the Galactic Marine, Kashyyyk clone, Parjai trooper, imperial officer multipack, and a very select few other figures.


Neon EU packs, clone 41 off screen paints, camo droids...forget all that bull****.  I'm not buying it.

I'd have bought their entire "joke" wave though, I'm sure of that.
Title: Re: Willrow Hood Confirmed For '07!
Post by: Matt on July 21, 2006, 08:36 PM
This. . .  Gargan. . .  two horrible Tarkins. . .  Han and Luke Stormtroopers with atrocious paint apps. . .

What a bunch of ******* cockteases.
Title: Hasbro thanks up then flips us the bird???
Post by: JACKOFTRADZE on July 21, 2006, 09:27 PM
Is anyone else a little pissed about the 4/1/07 slide?
I was so excited that they were going to make all of those figures,  I saw the pics and the type of how they were listening.

Then StarWars.com gives the official notice that it was BS. If you are listening Re-Hashbro make something new. More than half of what you showed is the same stuff! A new head here and new head there.
O-Boy a new cockpit for the tie fighter! Great more Jedi starfighters and clones with a few stripes.

You suck. You will waste time on the naboo loser but not the King of Losers we love -ICMG. He won the fans choice..it was rigged. :'(
Title: Re: Hasbro thanks up then flips us the bird???
Post by: Reid on July 21, 2006, 09:30 PM
I too was a little dissapointed, if Willrow was made I'd gladly pick him up. It wasn't even a "funny" joke, it was more of a slap in the face to collectors, especially considering how both Willrow and Yarna made the top 25 in the Fan's Choice Poll. Oh well, although a little dissapointed, I'm not too bummed, after all, these are just toys...
Title: Re: Hasbro thanks up then flips us the bird???
Post by: Rob on July 21, 2006, 09:31 PM
I'm sure they thought they were being funny, but they didn't realize that they were pissing off pretty much every long-time collector who would LOVE to see those figures (yes, all of them) made.
Title: Re: Hasbro thanks up then flips us the bird???
Post by: Dressel Rebel on July 21, 2006, 09:34 PM
I'm sure they thought they were being funny, but they didn't realize that they were pissing off pretty much every long-time collector who would LOVE to see those figures (yes, all of them) made.

I said in another thread, I literally honestly truly believe that their "joke" slide was better than about 75% of their offerings for '07.  What a dichotomy, great stuff like the Kashyyyk clone, Parjai, and Marine, and then all the other ****.

I don't think collectors on the whole are discriminating enough, buying every piece of trash Hasbro puts out, beating down Target's stock room doors with DCPI numbers in hand, shelling out $13 for exclusives.  This is why Hasbro is not being held to a higher standard.  Because they are able to sell the majority of us any piece of **** they want, and name their price in the process.

As a group we really need to stop this.
Title: Re: Willrow Hood Confirmed For '07!
Post by: Scott on July 21, 2006, 09:54 PM
From what JediMAC told me:

People erupted in cheers when Willrow came up and even more cheers when Yarna was then shown.  Then the middle finger was given to the people in attendance when the charred skeletons were shown.  And everyone was in shock that they were just dicking around

ICMG has gone from in-joke between 6-7 guys at the old BHC to getting joked about by Hasbro.  We've come a long way, baby, but...we've only just begun

I think the fact that he made the top 25 and that people are mad about this could mean that eventually someday, somewhere Willrow will be made and I can then die a happy man
Title: Re: Willrow Hood Confirmed For '07!
Post by: Jedi_Assassin on July 21, 2006, 10:21 PM
Did anyone there saysomething like, "That's not funny" or "You Suck!"? As a customizer, those figures are great fodder and I'm a little PO'd about their little "joke".
Title: Re: Willrow Hood Confirmed For '07!
Post by: Reid on July 21, 2006, 10:25 PM
Did anyone there saysomething like, "That's not funny" or "You Suck!"?

Someone should've said that.
Title: Re: Willrow Hood Confirmed For '07!
Post by: Jeff on July 21, 2006, 10:40 PM
You Suck!

There, I said it.
Title: Re: Willrow Hood Confirmed For '07!
Post by: Gatillo on July 21, 2006, 10:45 PM
Is that meant for Hasbro of HOTP?  Ahh, it works either way :P
Title: Re: Willrow Hood Confirmed For '07!
Post by: roron corobb on July 21, 2006, 10:49 PM
When I read on Starwars.com and got to crispy Lars I knew something was up. It would be cool to get them, but the PC groups would never allow Hasbro to release them. They might be able to get past the Qui-Gon and Vader, because the were able to do the Demise of Grievous and I think that is along the same lines. I like the dead Jawas. That was comical ;D.

Who thinks we need to revolt against Hasbro? Just like in old days. Storm the walls and take over, so the right stuff gets made. Who is with me?
roron corobb
Title: Re: Willrow Hood Confirmed For '07!
Post by: JACKOFTRADZE on July 21, 2006, 10:50 PM
They show us a boat load of repaints after the slide, the real waste of time is the Marvel paint jobs. I hope they clog shelves like no tomorrow. We begged for Han stormtrooper and we get the rainbow version and in order to get him you have to get that lame as chewie again! Green Tarkin?????

Real nice.

Whoever made that power point at HASBLOW - YOU SUCK!
Title: Re: Willrow Hood Confirmed For '07!
Post by: Jedi_Assassin on July 21, 2006, 10:53 PM
A revolt is needed! Viva La Revalucion! Attack Hasbro! We should boycot!
Title: Re: Willrow Hood Confirmed For '07!
Post by: Gatillo on July 21, 2006, 10:57 PM
If I see a Hasbro rep in a store I will proceed to piss in their shoes.  Hence my contribution to La Revolucion.
Title: Re: Hasbro thanks up then flips us the bird???
Post by: JACKOFTRADZE on July 21, 2006, 10:58 PM
I said in another thread, I literally honestly truly believe that their "joke" slide was better than about 75% of their offerings for '07.  What a dichotomy, great stuff like the Kashyyyk clone, Parjai, and Marine, and then all the other ****.

I don't think collectors on the whole are discriminating enough, buying every piece of trash Hasbro puts out, beating down Target's stock room doors with DCPI numbers in hand, shelling out $13 for exclusives.  This is why Hasbro is not being held to a higher standard.  Because they are able to sell the majority of us any piece of **** they want, and name their price in the process.

As a group we really need to stop this.
Quote

You are 100% right. Lets pass on what we could really live without. Way too many rehashes.

Viva La Revalucion!
Title: Re: Willrow Hood Confirmed For '07!
Post by: roron corobb on July 21, 2006, 11:09 PM
Would be nice if we could pull it off with a boycott, but there are way too many morons in the world that have to complete their card sets that they would buy a crap in a Star Wars card (ie cantina Han, etc) that it would fail.

WE NEED TO SHOW FORCE to get what needs to be done and done RIGHT! We need some on the inside to start. Members need to get jobs with them and we can start from there ;D.
roron corobb
Title: Re: Willrow Hood Confirmed For '07!
Post by: Jedi_Assassin on July 21, 2006, 11:15 PM
IDEA! Have like one person go out and buy all of the figures and cast them(more customizers like glasman6) paint them(again customizers) and mail them to people who want them. One figure could make 500 others. Just a thought.
Title: Re: Willrow Hood Confirmed For '07!
Post by: JACKOFTRADZE on July 21, 2006, 11:26 PM
Being realistic (I love the thoughts) is really pass on some of the over redundant repaints. The blue stripe and green clones are so lame. Its becoming like the rainbow the Jedi starfighters are. Do not buy 40 of them again. The Marvel crap other than the Han dont buy it. Pass on what you can really do without. Dont just buy it because its Star Wars.

Roran, you are right about those carded guys.

How the hell is the mini unleased continuing? Its rotting on shelves everywhere....
I have passed on the Han and Vaders in this last wave. I passed on H&V & I will be more picky in the future. Your not feeding me the same slop over and over again.
Title: Re: Willrow Hood Confirmed For '07!
Post by: Jedi_Assassin on July 21, 2006, 11:28 PM
I have only one vader and only one clone. I need a new clon, but one is it.
Title: Re: Willrow Hood Confirmed For '07!
Post by: roron corobb on July 21, 2006, 11:32 PM
IDEA! Have like one person go out and buy all of the figures and cast them(more customizers like glasman6) paint them(again customizers) and mail them to people who want them. One figure could make 500 others. Just a thought.

Under cut them with bootlegs, very good idea, but casting cost more that just buying the figure. If it is a sucky figure to begin with no one would want to pay more for it than they have too. If anyone knows how to do it cheap and bootleg them, speak up ;D.

Being realistic (I love the thoughts) is really pass on some of the over redundant repaints. The blue stripe and green clones are so lame. Its becoming like the rainbow the Jedi starfighters are. Do not buy 40 of them again. The Marvel crap other than the Han dont buy it. Pass on what you can really do without. Dont just buy it because its Star Wars.

Roran, you are right about those carded guys.

How the hell is the mini unleased continuing? Its rotting on shelves everywhere....
I have passed on the Han and Vaders in this last wave. I passed on H&V & I will be more picky in the future. Your not feeding me the same slop over and over again.

That is one way to stick it to them, but it doesn't work alone. Plus I feel that Star Wars with fade from stores before it has any effect. I do practice that myself though and have been even more so on the vehicle aspect part of it. If I want something bad enough I'll make it myself and know it will be in scale.
roron corobb
Title: Re: Willrow Hood Confirmed For '07!
Post by: Scott on July 21, 2006, 11:35 PM
I'd say we stick it to them by continuing the campaign the right way and eventually getting Willrow on the pegs the right way.  The way Porkins made it, the way BoShek made it ::)
Title: Re: Willrow Hood Confirmed For '07!
Post by: Jedi_Assassin on July 21, 2006, 11:39 PM
That's all well and dandy but, after the last film, this could be our last shot with the 30th. Nothing drastic like peeing on peoples shoes, that would be hilarious, though.
Title: Re: Willrow Hood Confirmed For '07!
Post by: roron corobb on July 22, 2006, 01:14 AM
I think Hasbro laugh ;D at us with the time we waste on asking/telling them which figures we want. Just like the joke during the con. That IMO is an insult to everyone that wants any of those figures.
roron corobb
Title: Re: Willrow Hood Confirmed For '07!
Post by: Jedi_Assassin on July 22, 2006, 01:23 AM
Hasbro thinks that since they hold the majority of the market in Star Wars collecting, they can get away with treating their customers like crap. We should find a new company to make these figures. One that listens to the customer.
Title: Re: Willrow Hood Confirmed For '07!
Post by: Rob on July 22, 2006, 01:34 AM
ICMG has gone from in-joke between 6-7 guys at the old BHC to getting joked about by Hasbro.  We've come a long way, baby, but...we've only just begun

I think this is part of the problem... maybe they think the whole thing is a big joke.

And while it may have started that way, but it isn't. 



The most telling part of that slide was the part that said 'we really listen' or whatever it said...

It only shows that they listen, and then they essentially don't give a ****.
Title: Re: Willrow Hood Confirmed For '07!
Post by: Jedi_Assassin on July 22, 2006, 01:40 AM
Exactly, they don't give a rat's ass about our wants, all they care about the Bottom Line.
Title: Re: Willrow Hood Confirmed For '07!
Post by: DSJ™ on July 22, 2006, 01:47 AM
So this is Hasbro's idea of having fun!  ::)

Well guess what Hasbro, me too... **** You & I hope your reading this!  >:(

Piece's of ****!  >:(   >:(
Title: Re: Willrow Hood Confirmed For '07!
Post by: Jedi_Assassin on July 22, 2006, 08:25 AM
I should email this thread to Hasbro, actually, could someon else do it because my email has my name and birthday in it, they'll send people to CUT me! lol. But I'll see what I can do. Hey, what can they do to a twelve year old, eh?
Title: Re: Willrow Hood Confirmed For '07!
Post by: evenflow on July 22, 2006, 10:21 AM
ICMG has gone from in-joke between 6-7 guys at the old BHC to getting joked about by Hasbro.  We've come a long way, baby, but...we've only just begun

I think this is part of the problem... maybe they think the whole thing is a big joke.

And while it may have started that way, but it isn't. 



The most telling part of that slide was the part that said 'we really listen' or whatever it said...

It only shows that they listen, and then they essentially don't give a ****.

And that is the big picture here. They really don't care becuase they know people will buy whatever it is they release. They don't have to take the time, effort, and money to make soemthing new. They know Star Wars will sell regardless. Its ashame. It really is. It was a tasteless joke and i hope they realize it. It would have been nice if the crowd would have vocalized their unhappiness. Not sure if they did or didnt, but i hope hasbro knows they screwed up.
Title: Re: Willrow Hood Confirmed For '07! (NOT!)
Post by: P-Siddy on July 22, 2006, 12:13 PM
From the Official Site:
#54 Yarna (the multi-breasted dancer in Jabba's Palace)

I'm actually shocked that they used the kind of description they did for Yarna.

But yes, that was a low blow to fans that want these figures. I understand it's a joke (all of us here have a sense of humor, Big H), but why do it now?? If they released this on April 1st, then I think the joke would have been forgivable. But doing it at ComiCon, where a lot of real info is supposed to come out, it does feel like a slap in the face to us and it really discredits them. Someone at the Big H needs to throw themselves upon their sword, err, basic SW lightsaber.
Title: Re: Willrow Hood Confirmed For '07!
Post by: Darth Broem on July 22, 2006, 02:39 PM
I just think it's incredibly stupid that they would do that at a major comic con.  A place where if anyone were to buy those figures it would be there.  What a bunch of morons!  Especially Yarna and ICMG.  Those 2 alone are something people have been clamoring for more than  "Marvel Comic" figures(aka cheap repaints for Hasbro).  I just think it's a bad P.R. move on their end.   

Then you have the flipside where Sideshow Collectibles blows away everybody by showing us their dream 12 inch Jabba the Hutt, diorama, and creatures spectacular.  As expensive as it is it surely surpasses anything creatively that Hasbro is showing...endless repainted JediStarfighters, white vintage TIE Fighters from the late 70's, repainted or rehashed POTF and POTJ figures, etc.  Mmmm exciting  ::)

Do not get me wrong Hasbro does some good stuff but they are kind of idiotic at the same time. 
Title: Re: Willrow Hood Confirmed For '07!
Post by: Darth Kenobi on July 22, 2006, 02:47 PM
Haven't read the whole thread but I have a feeling that we will see at least the first two characters in that wave ICMG and Yarna.  Hasbro said, if I heard right,  that they will most likely make the top 25 figures in the fan choice figures poll.  So hopefully the reaction they got from the fans in the room will help them make these two figures. 
The joke through suck, everyone was happy and clapping then angry once 4-01-07 came up. 
Title: Re: Willrow Hood Confirmed For '07!
Post by: evenflow on July 22, 2006, 10:42 PM
You know what, I am so annoyed at this point it doesnt even matter. I am disgusted with Hasbro. They said they know they are wanted but can't fit them in. What does that mean? Why can't they just make them and put them in a wave. We had a ROTJ wave, Yarna could have fit there. But no, re-releases and resculpts instead.   >:(
Title: Re: Willrow Hood Confirmed For '07!
Post by: P-Siddy on July 23, 2006, 11:23 AM
You know what, I am so annoyed at this point it doesnt even matter. I am disgusted with Hasbro. They said they know they are wanted but can't fit them in. What does that mean? Why can't they just make them and put them in a wave. We had a ROTJ wave, Yarna could have fit there. But no, re-releases and resculpts instead.   >:(

I agree. Why can't they put Yarna or ICMG in a wave, even if it doesn't fit? They had the Tatooine wave with a Bespin Confrontation Vader... the lone Bespin figure at the moment (perfect fit for ICMG, methinks). And Yarna most definitely could have been in the Carkoon wave.

H can produce whatever figures they want, whenever. They just don't want to at the moment.
Title: Re: Willrow Hood Confirmed For '07!
Post by: Darth_Anton on July 23, 2006, 02:14 PM
I was sitting next to Coleman when that joke was make. I laughed my butt off. Seriously. If anything, it does go to show that Hasbo is lurking.

Title: Re: Willrow Hood Confirmed For '07!
Post by: Artoo on July 23, 2006, 02:21 PM
Don't worry we'll get ICMG before 2018 hopefully & for yoy guys who want her Yarna too!
Title: Re: Willrow Hood Confirmed For '07!
Post by: Darth_Anton on July 23, 2006, 03:41 PM
(http://www.rebelscum.com/sdcc06/sdcc06-HasbroQA/IMG_8187.JPG)

Scott's gonna have a heart attack...

The back of mine and Coleman's heads are in that picture, to either side of this head /\ .  :P
Title: Re: The Hasbro Willrow Hood "Joke"
Post by: obi-dad on July 23, 2006, 07:43 PM
Man,  we collectors need to get a life!  I was very disappointed myself when I found out this was a joke, but come on people!   After reading all these replies, I agree, this was bad timing and a bad place for this joke.  Closer to April 1st would have made it more appropriate, though just a heart-breaking.   At least we know Hasbro is listening enough to know we want these figures - that's the first step.   I definitely would have bought these figures before many of the ones shown.   However, I also am getting to the point that I am done with prequel figures (well, for now getting quite sellective)..  I am tired of clone repaints, but I would buy boring figures like the Lars clan in a second.  Go figure.
Title: Re: The Hasbro Willrow Hood "Joke"
Post by: Darth Slothus on July 24, 2006, 10:43 AM
Man,  we collectors need to get a life!  

Wow....that's sounding like something P. Wise would say...

realistically...you're commenting in forum on a SW collecting site nonetheless telling folks to 'get a life'?! It's the path we've chosen...I'm not ashamed of it, are you?
Title: Re: The Hasbro Willrow Hood "Joke"
Post by: Straxus on July 25, 2006, 08:05 AM
Darn... I think it would have be really cool to have a X-tra crispy Beru and Lars Action(?) Figures. I am only half joking...I would buy a few of each just for humor value alone! The same would apply if they had made the Funeral Padme Action(?) Figure...

We need to do full customs of all figures on that joke screen, complete with package. As an addition to standard "Saga" formatting, we could add in a bold exploding image "Best Wave Ever!"
A blaster charred Aaya Secura corpse would have made that collection even better!

Yes it was a bad joke on Hasbro's part, but I seriously would have bought the entire wave of figures. Maybe they could make it an Entertainment Earth Exclusive collection...hehe
Title: Re: The Hasbro Willrow Hood "Joke"
Post by: Nicklab on July 25, 2006, 12:59 PM
I think that anyone who was in the room for the presentation knew by the time Hasbro got to the "Xtra crispy Owen & Beru Lars" that this was a gag.  Seriously, a total of some 6 figures of corpses in some state of charring?  If you couldn't figure it out pretty quickly, then you probably don't have much of a sense of humor.

And if you think about it reasonably, why would Hasbro make figures of dead people?  I mean, they are supposed to be ACTION FIGURES.  What kind of action feature are these figures supposed to have?  Rotten decomposition smell action that starts wafting from the figure a couple of days after you open the blister card?  It was this train of thought that made the proposition of a dead Padme figure seem utterly repulsive and ridiculous to me.

Was it unfortunate that Willrow Hood and Yarna d'al Gargan were lumped into the group?  Yeah.  They have strong cult fanbases and the ICMG petition has been going strong for some time.  And I know that this site has been a stronghold for that movement.  I would also venture a guess that ICMG and Gargan probably had respectable showings in the Fan's Choice Poll but they just didn't break through the way some people wanted.  It's a poll.  Things like that happen.  But for us not to be able to laugh at ourselves in this kind of situation?  ::)  I think that once you start to take things too seriously, you're not having fun with them anymore.
Title: Re: The Hasbro Willrow Hood "Joke"
Post by: ruiner on July 25, 2006, 01:42 PM
Honestly, I don't think it's tasteless - like Nicklab said, when you see dead bodies on the screen you should automatically realize that it's a joke.

Yeah, it does sting a little seeing ICMG and Yarna up there but do you really expect Hasbro to make those two anytime soon considering how small their budget is for new tools?

Title: Re: The Hasbro Willrow Hood "Joke"
Post by: Morgbug on July 25, 2006, 04:41 PM
Nick,
I entirely see the humour from the charred figure routine, no doubt about it.  I also note that a lot of people would buy the charred Owen and Beru figures. 

And while I see your point regarding ICMG and this site, Yarna is sort of a different ball of wax entirely.  No petititions, no rabid fansite following, no running mate routine for fan club president.  And yet both of them managed to make the top 25 requested figures in a poll. 

So where exactly does the humour come from in mocking two popular, requested figures?  Given that they hadn't announced all of the FFC voting results, why make fun of those two figures in particular?  Is it funny in retrospect?  I suppose, but I'm still more than annoyed that they'd have the gall to do that to the supporters of that line that want those figures.  Why not use Jacen Solo or anyone else that did poorly in the poll?  Does that mean I've got issues?  Well yeah, but not with star wars toys, with other, unrelated things. 

I didn't see any of the other 'major' star wars retailers mocking their fan base?  Did you see Master Replicas joking about making anything?  Gentle Giant?  Nope, those company's egos aren't that large, at least not yet. 

Frankly I'd love to see Gentle Giant make a bustups version of Willrow Hood.  How fast would Hasbro scramble to correct that joke once that happened?
Title: Re: The Hasbro Willrow Hood "Joke"
Post by: Nicklab on July 25, 2006, 05:18 PM
I think the process of the presentation becoming progressively more absurd as it went on is where the joke lies.  The premise gets funnier and funnier as Hasbro announces things that are more and more ridiculous.  That's just basic humor at work, and it worked itself up to the punchline of the supposed release date of April 1, 2007.

Where I think it's not funny is that this particular community has gotten so wrapped up in the ICMG petition that anything approaching a joke on the subject just isn't funny anymore.  In other word, it's being taken too seriously.  We are after all talking about Star Wars toys.  While it would be kind of cool to add ICMG to my own Cloud City display, I'm okay with waiting for this figure and I'm okay with making a joke about it.  It's certainly not a matter of life or death and I don't think it should be handled with such kid gloves.

If anything, I think "the joke" has pointed out that Hasbro recognizes that there is demand for at least some of the characters they mentioned.  Hence the joke.  They wouldn't know to make the joke if they weren't paying attention.  They do read forums on a regular basis in an effort to tap into ideas for figures.  No doubt this is where the ideas for some of the Clone Troopers due out in the next 6 months came from.  An interesting aside from the joke?  One of the designers at Hasbro offered freely after the Q&A that he would be interested in making a Yarna figure some time in the near future.  That might mean they could also be interested in ICMG at some point, too.  I think it would actually fit in with a Cloud City themed wave.

But I do think that the topic is touched on so frequently here that people have become hyper-sensitive about it.  The nature of humor is such that invariably someone or something gets picked on.  Either they can accept the comments as a joke or they can't.  If it's such an outrage, then write a complaint to Hasbro's customer service. Or a more powerful gesture would be to vote with your dollars and not buy Hasbro's product.  IMO, it was just a joke and needs to be taken as such.
Title: Re: The Hasbro Willrow Hood "Joke"
Post by: Morgbug on July 25, 2006, 05:33 PM
Unfortunately Nick many of us weren't at the presentation and as such don't have the context that you refer to.  There was no building for those of us not in the room, there was simply reporting that came out as nothing but mockery.  Remember, you were there, most were not.  Although I have to fail to see the procession of the ridiculousness.  Again, that may indeed be in the context you had the benefit of.  I see nothing particularly ridiculous in announcing Yarna and then Willrow, both managed to find their way onto an online poll that was supposedly serious.  Yeah, I got it as soon as I saw the crispy figures.  Context, think about it.

Are we taking it too seriously?  Obviously, but the whole point of a discussion board is to voice opinion and not all of it can be positive and blowing sunshine up mighty Hasbro's ass.  And yes, I completely agree with your point about hypersensitivity, particularly amongst the group here at JD.  But that you come in here and be condescending to people that didn't have the benefit of seeing the progression of the humour is a little disappointing, to say the least.  We had and have not had the benefit of the progression or context of the presentation until your comments of today.  So I consider it to be surprising with the tone and attitude you're presenting.  I think more highly of you than that, so color me surprised.

As for voting with my wallet, that's already happening.  Gentle Giant, Sideshow, Tomy/Medicom/Kubrick, etc. are all getting more of my dollars.  There's many products I'm opting to not buy, either because they are simple rehashes/repaints, they are blatant cash grabs (tin sets with one new figure?) or they simply hold no interest for me.  On top of that I'm selling off lots of my Hasbro product at the moment (not here, the list is at snowtroopers.ca if you're so motivated ;)). 

It's a joke, no doubt about it, but it's not nearly so easy to figure out if you weren't at the presentation.  A little disappointment isn't so unreasonable, now is it? 
Title: Re: The Hasbro Willrow Hood "Joke"
Post by: Nicklab on July 25, 2006, 05:47 PM
Unfortunately Nick many of us weren't at the presentation and as such don't have the context that you refer to.

The audiocast of the presentation is available on Hyperspace if you want to listen to it.  Check it out HERE (http://www.starwars.com/webapps/registration/sign-in?forward=/hyperspace/member/audiocast/&plus)).

Listen to it, and I think you'll be able to detect the snarkiness in it almost immediately.  First off, they called it the "Best Wave Ever".  Comic Book Guy or VH-1's Best Week Ever anyone?  Then there's the progression through Willrow Hood, then Gargan, then the "X-tra crispy Lars 2-pack", Funeral Pyre Qui-Gon, blasted Jawa 2-pack and Funeral pyre Vader.

Obviously the telling of a joke loses it's effectiveness in the retelling.  Hopefully the audiocast can put this whole affair in context.
Title: Re: The Hasbro Willrow Hood "Joke"
Post by: JediMAC on July 25, 2006, 05:55 PM
If Comic Con was ON April 1, it might've made a little more sense.  Saying they'll be released on April 1 to turn it into the intended joke was a little silly though...

I wasn't too pissed about it, as I was kind of appreciative that Hasbro could A) Show it had a sense of humor about things, and B) Acknowledge the popularity of ICMG in the first place.  They certainly had me fooled after the first two figures, and I was even thinking the Crispy Owen/Beru set was slightly possible as well, but when the dead Jawa 2-pack came up, it became crystal clear what was going on.

Cruel to tease Scott, and ICMG fans world-wide, like that, sure.  I did find Yarna's inclusion in that set to be very discouraging though, as she should be right near the top of the "To-Do List" over at Hasbro by now.  I mentioned as much to them, and like Nick said, they pretty much said they'd get to her eventually.  I'd assume the same is true of ICMG.  He's become such a pop icon of collectors now, that they'll eventually throw Scott the bone and get that figure made.  Hell, it's no more boring a figure than that lame Naboo Soldier that's coming out in the next wave.

Anyway, Willrow is definitely on their radar, so I think that's the positive we should try and focus on, and just know that if we're patient, we'll probably eventually get him some day.

I also want to make sure everyone's caught a glimpse of mousedroid's great shirt that he had custom made for Comic Con:

(http://www.jedidefender.com/gallery/files/gallery/Conventions/San_Diego_Comic_Con_2006/General/DSC09961.jpg) (http://www.jedidefender.com/gallery/files/gallery/Conventions/San_Diego_Comic_Con_2006/General/DSC09962.jpg)

Great stuff, Rog'!  8)
Title: Re: The Hasbro Willrow Hood "Joke"
Post by: Jesse James on July 26, 2006, 04:33 AM
Roger's shirt had me cracking up.  I needed the laugh...

About the Wilrow Joke I can look at it two ways...  One is Hasbro just jabbing fun with no intent of saying "We will never make this(these) figure(s)", and really just trying to have fun with it... 

The other way of looking at it is that there's a certain level of condescending smugness by doing the "joke".  There could have been a bit of a mix though...  I think the better way to have handled it would've been at least acknowledging whether you meant it sort of in a literal sense, or if you weren't ruling this or that figure out...  Ease the sting of it.

Anyway though I think there's hope yet and Matt did do a little chit chatting to get some thoughts on the joke, and the figures...  I think Scott's got reason to keep his demand for this one going yet. ;)
Title: Re: The Hasbro Willrow Hood "Joke"
Post by: Jedi_Assassin on July 26, 2006, 12:06 PM
We should stop buying our stuff through the major stores and get them through private dealers like i do most of the time.
Title: Re: The Hasbro Willrow Hood "Joke"
Post by: Scott on July 26, 2006, 12:10 PM
We should stop buying our stuff through the major stores and get them through private dealers like i do most of the time.
If that happened you could probably kiss SW figures goodbye

There needs to be retail sales of the figures to make a profit on the exorbitant price Hasbro paid for the license (unlike GI Joe)
Title: Re: The Hasbro Willrow Hood "Joke"
Post by: CHEWIE on July 26, 2006, 02:22 PM
Yep, retail is the way to go.  Gotta has the masses exposed to this stuff each time they walk into a toy aisle.

 :)
Title: Re: The Hasbro Willrow Hood "Joke"
Post by: poddie on July 28, 2006, 03:50 PM
I just can't comprehend how people think ICMG is a good idea.

The market for this figure is so small that it can't possibly do anything but fail.  It seems like people want this guy just to prove a point, that Hasbro should do the fan's bidding.

Who in their right mind would pick this figure up other than completests and people who are doing it just for the kick of "hey, Hasbro made a stupid figure because we demanded it"?

I just don't get it... and you guys take it so seriously.  I really don't intend to offend, but it just seems like the crusade for this figure has been a big joke from day 1.  I'm sure that's what Hasbro was thinking...

Yarma (or whatever her name is) is at least a little more interesting, but still very bottom of the barrel.  She was at least a lot more memorable and someone people might recognize.  But a nameless, normal looking human running down a hallway never to be seen again?  Why SHOULD Hasbro make this guy???

As I said, sorry to offend, but I have been lurking quite a while and have always been madly curious about how anyone thinks this figure could work...
Title: Re: The Hasbro Willrow Hood "Joke"
Post by: Morgbug on July 28, 2006, 11:55 PM
Mon Mothma
Jan Dodonna


Those names ring a bell?  What of any "army builder" that's just a technician or the like?  Imperial Scanning Tech?  Lemme see, they got whacked inside the Falcon and had 5.9 seconds of screen time and one line.  Of course that puts them ahead of 56% of the Star Wars figures made, so it's acceptable.  The rest are merely background aliens.  So what's wrong with a background human?  Were Tarkin or Antilles anything more than that in ROTS?  Did we really need a pregnant Padme figure? 

We're all idiots.  We'll buy anything, so why not at least try to have some influence beyond something with Darth in the title?
Title: Re: The Hasbro Willrow Hood "Joke"
Post by: Jediknight760071 on July 29, 2006, 12:06 AM
I just can't comprehend how people think ICMG is a good idea.

The market for this figure is so small that it can't possibly do anything but fail.  It seems like people want this guy just to prove a point, that Hasbro should do the fan's bidding.


I'd buy every ICMG I could find and wear them on my belt.
Title: Re: The Hasbro Willrow Hood "Joke"
Post by: Reid on July 29, 2006, 12:26 PM
I thought this was pretty funny:

(http://www.nibcrom.com/comic/nibcromlives_072506.jpg)
Title: Re: The Hasbro Willrow Hood "Joke"
Post by: Gatillo on July 31, 2006, 11:41 AM
I just can't comprehend how people think ICMG is a good idea.


I would make sure that every kid would get one for xmas.  Because nothing says "Happy Holidays" like an ice cream maker guy in an orange jogging suit.
Title: Re: The Hasbro Willrow Hood "Joke"
Post by: MetalJedi on August 4, 2006, 03:52 AM
I just can't comprehend how people think ICMG is a good idea.


I would make sure that every kid would get one for xmas.  Because nothing says "Happy Holidays" like an ice cream maker guy in an orange jogging suit.

Now that's funny.  ;D
Title: Re: The Hasbro Willrow Hood "Joke"
Post by: speedermike on August 4, 2006, 08:11 PM
During the latest Q & A they say that "They will make Hood", just not in 2007!
Title: Re: The Hasbro Willrow Hood "Joke"
Post by: Smartypants1635 on August 4, 2006, 08:15 PM
Yeah eventually, who knows how long that will be in the next 12 years they have the Starwars license.
Title: Re: The Hasbro Willrow Hood "Joke"
Post by: Artoo on August 5, 2006, 12:44 PM
To make up for that joke they should have him in '08. :P Yarna should be on thye to-do list as well as the rest of Jabba's guys. but who knows.
Title: Re: The Hasbro Willrow Hood "Joke"
Post by: evenflow on August 6, 2006, 09:35 AM
I hope Yarna is coming out sooner than we think. I am hoping to see her at toyfair  ;D ..... :-\ (i hope)
Title: Re: The Hasbro Willrow Hood "Joke"
Post by: JACKOFTRADZE on August 6, 2006, 11:33 AM
Yarna made the top 10! She wa number 3! And wilrow was number 8!
Maybe she will be part of 07'

Maybe they will make it afterall.
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Scott on August 6, 2006, 07:52 PM
So, Hasbro basically confirmed that someday, somehow Willrow will be made.  So now my thoughts turn to how/when this will occur

I really hope that they make a Bespin Wave in 2008 that consists of:

Luke Skywalker (Medical Frigate)
Princess Leia (Medical Frigate)
Lando Calrissian (Smuggler's Gear)
Willrow Hood
C-3PO Blown Apart Resculpt
Bespin Guard Running Change

To me, Bespin is by far the greatest environment in the Saga and it is also the one most lacking in good figures.  I sure hope Bespin Han and Luke are coming in the VTSC/VOTC next year.  With Lando, Lobot, a good Han Carbon Freeze, Leia Bespin they have made some progress in the past few years.  But we need more!

Thanks to everyone over the years that has made this eventually happen.  I know there are many people out there that don't get it at all...but those are the same people that haven't been posting around the boards since 1995 either.  Long time posters around the board get the Willrow Hood thing, it reckons to a simpler time when people wanted Porkins.  They made Porkins...and they are now making Willrow

The other way I could see it happening is in some sort of Multi-Pack.  Again I'd be OK with that, especially with reusing some of the POTJ Imperial Officer jump suit pieces.  Just as long as I get a 3-3/4" Ice Cream Maker, I can die with a smile on my face
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: speedermike on August 7, 2006, 11:16 PM
In my opinion, any charcater that appears on screen, no matter how short their moment of fame, is game for a figure.

In fact, I'll enjoy an accurate ICMG more than the repainted Scout/BARC crap any day.
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Jesse James on August 9, 2006, 04:47 AM
Congratulations Scott, I almost shed a tear for you on this...

ICMG's as good a candidate as anyone and for customizing the fodder will most likely be pretty useable so there is some redeemable quality to the character being made as a figure...  I'm happy he's been promised by Hasbro but mostly for you Scott since this was your pet project.

I'd dig it if they tried to spice up the package by tossing in a junk droid pile, or a repaint single-piece droid thing (ala Treadwell).  Just something to spiff up the selling point of the figure...  I could easily see it being a multi-pack special though too.  It getting made at all is what is important though.

The fact he cracked the top 10 speaks volumes I think...  Of ALL those figures from ALL those fan's voices, and Wilrow made #8...  That says a TON about the support to get it ultimately despite what anyone else may have felt.
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Darth Slothus on August 9, 2006, 01:08 PM
He(Scott) should get a 'I got Willrow Hood made' Tshirt made and wear it to conventions so all of us backers could sign it!
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Dr. Zoltar on August 9, 2006, 03:46 PM
I really hope that they make a Bespin Wave in 2008 that consists of:

Luke Skywalker (Medical Frigate)
Princess Leia (Medical Frigate)
Lando Calrissian (Smuggler's Gear)

Why these haven't been made yet I have no idea.  I'd think these figures would be no brainers.  Heck, give us the Luke, Leia, R2, and 3PO in a box set looking out the window from the Frigate.  I'd buy that...
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Nicklab on August 9, 2006, 05:17 PM
I really hope that they make a Bespin Wave in 2008 that consists of:

Luke Skywalker (Medical Frigate)
Princess Leia (Medical Frigate)
Lando Calrissian (Smuggler's Gear)

Why these haven't been made yet I have no idea.  I'd think these figures would be no brainers.  Heck, give us the Luke, Leia, R2, and 3PO in a box set looking out the window from the Frigate.  I'd buy that...

I think the reasoning might be that the Medical Frigate has been kind of an afterthought when it comes to TESB.  Think about it.  There are some great scenes when it comes to Hoth, the Bounty Hunters, Dagobah and Cloud City.  When you think about those, the Medical Frigate scene kind of pales in comparison.  Especially when you consider that there really isn't any action involved with that scene.

But seeing how those main settings have been gone over through the years, the Medical Frigate starts to look like something Hasbro could explore.  I think that Luke, Leia and 2-1B could make for an interesting Screen Scene, but I don't think they would make very compelling figures.  Smuggler Lando would probably be a more interesting Basic Figure in comparison.

But I think that Cloud City is probably the most fertile ground for new characters from TESB.  There's Willrow Hood obviously as well as other Cloud City background citizens (Wiorkettle and Treva Horne anyone!), E-3PO, the various Bespin Guards, new or different Ugnaughts and the possibility of Vintage style Bespin Han Solo, Leia or Luke Skywalker.
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Matt on August 9, 2006, 05:26 PM
How would you go about making a Medical Frigate Screen Scene, anyway? 

What I mean is, you could do it the normal way, with the characters in front of the relatively boring frigate set, or you could do it the other way, featuring the "looking out into the galaxy" backdrop, which is much more interesting a shot, but then you'd have to package the figures backwards in order to be screen accurate.

I think I'd rather keep the galaxy backdrop, and turn the figures around so that they're facing the frigate.  The other ways would be either too boring, or too weird.
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Nicklab on August 9, 2006, 05:32 PM
How would you go about making a Medical Frigate Screen Scene, anyway? 

Have Luke on the table getting his new robotic hand, surrounded by 2-1B and Leia.  Luke can have a panel that opens up to the mechanism of his hand.  I think that's probably the most interesting way to offer any of the three characters for that scene.
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Matt on August 9, 2006, 05:34 PM
Yeah.

I was kinda thinking more along the lines of the iconic final shot of the movie, with Luke, Leia and the droids standing in the bay window, watching the Falcon take off.

You know, what "Dr. Zoltar" mentioned.
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Scott on August 9, 2006, 05:35 PM
What I can't believe about not having Luke, Leia and Lando done yet is that they are really easy kitbashes (outside of Luke's Arm)...really easy.  Its pretty weird that they haven't been done
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Nicklab on August 9, 2006, 05:44 PM
I definitely know the shot you're talking about.  It's an iconic shot.  But to me I guess it's just 4 figures facing a background, and that's where it loses it's charm.  I think that Luke getting the robotic hand is just more interesting to me in terms of the sculpts and the potential for details.    It just seems like a personal taste thing.
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: speedermike on August 10, 2006, 12:19 AM
Well, the other thing about "Lando in Smuggler's Gear" is that we don't really know what that outfit looked  like.  Sure, we could guess that it exactly like Han's  but I bet Lando would prefer a different cut to his pants.  Myabe baggier pants, with shorter boots like the Rebel Fleet Troopers...
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Nicklab on August 10, 2006, 05:47 PM
Well, the other thing about "Lando in Smuggler's Gear" is that we don't really know what that outfit looked  like.  Sure, we could guess that it exactly like Han's  but I bet Lando would prefer a different cut to his pants.  Myabe baggier pants, with shorter boots like the Rebel Fleet Troopers...

I imagine that there may be Lucasfilm documentation of that.  It seems that photo documentation on the first film was somewhat slipshod, but with every subsequent movie there was greater and greater documentation of characters and costumes for continuity purposes.
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: evenflow on August 11, 2006, 11:28 AM
I would actually like a Luke figure in medical robes. I remember a while back a prototype Luke figure from the vintage line popped up and looked like it could have been Luke in medical robes.
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Scott on May 24, 2007, 05:58 PM
Scoop Colman just talked to me via cellular phone who was able to pump Hasbro for all they were worth at CIV

Bad News:  ICMG probably won't be making an appearance on a card
Good News: He probably will be making an appearance in a Battle Pack!

Hopefully this will be in 2008.  We'll see
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Matt on May 24, 2007, 06:06 PM
But how is he gonna warm the pegs if he's not on a single card?

 >:(
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Rob on May 24, 2007, 06:37 PM
Battle Pack has me very worried that he'll be a ****** kit-bash.

After all this time he deserves to be made into a solid figure.

Please get it right Hasbro!

You can re-release him on a card later and carded completists will buy him again.
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Jesse James on May 25, 2007, 02:18 AM
Couple good body sculpts I think Hasbro could use...  Imp. Officer comes close...  Naboo dude.  It's good news though that he's on their radard.  Contrary to the disgruntled it seems.
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Jayson on May 25, 2007, 03:43 PM
Conflicting reports... (http://www.rebelscum.com/story/front/C4_Willrow_Hood_At_Last_106234.asp)

"C4: Willrow Hood At Last? Posted by Curto on May 25, 2007 at 02:29 PM CST:
Yeah, that's right...the infamous "Ice Cream Maker Guy" IS coming. Not this year. Not even next year. We'll have to wait until 2009 (maybe longer?), but he IS coming, and unless plans change (there's a lot of time to wait), he won't be in a battle pack, but on a single card. Turns out Mr. Hood was favored over another much-requested item. ;)"

I don't care how we get him, just make him already  ;D
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Jesse James on May 25, 2007, 04:10 PM
I'll tell the guys, if they run into Dan, to discuss...
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Scott on May 27, 2007, 11:26 PM
I've been chatting with Scoop off and on over the last few days and it sounds like pretty much surely, its going to be carded and it will be in the 2009 line...

I'll believe it when it is finally in my hands but everything on this is very positive and Matt won't yank my chain like this

I want to thank the almost 2000 people who have signed the petition and all of the people since around 2002 who have supported me and the cause.  Almost everyone here...the staff, the members and all of my online friends.

What I don't get and I continue not to understand is the absolute angst being shown against Willrow in threads over at the other site.  I realize it is people that haven't been online a while and around the boards since that time.  Willrow truly represents the comraderie that has existed in the old guard of the boards.  Since the Tomart-SSG-CSW days  That is what I see...

My other question...do people really not realize that eventually EVERYTHING is going to get made?  Really...every single last thing.  I was in the camp of the line is dead in 2007/2008ish...now I really think they could make stuff for the next 20 years.  We'll eventually get every single last thing we want.  Yarna...Frigate Luke and Leia...the Lars family...the Tonnikas...everything.  They are well on their way to every Cantina figure.  They made all of the major Jedi, the made the freaking Rebel Honor Guard.  A guy holding a staff at attention! 

Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Matt on May 28, 2007, 01:02 AM
A guy holding a staff at attention!

I hold my staff at attention for hours, every single day, and they've never made a figure of me.
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Rob on May 28, 2007, 01:16 AM
I hold my staff at attention for hours, every single day, and they've never made a figure of me.

You just wait til' I start a petition.

Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Jesse James on May 28, 2007, 02:01 AM
Wide leg stance and all...

Anyway, I actually thought they'd do the honor guard, I wasn't shocked by him.  What shocked me is the Naboo dude.  Now that's a figure I didn't expect, or at least not till the line was in death throws or something...

I hope you're right Scott because I without question want all 3 Rebel Soldier types (Endor, Hoth, and Fleet) done super articulated at some point...  They are my ICMG.  I'm anxious to get my ICMG in '08 or '09 though too...  I've said it before and I'll say it again; I want more background humans...  ICMG, Garrouf Lafoe, Frozec, Jabba's Special Edition Goons at Docking Bay 94, the Swoop Jockey with the dumb hat, Yerka Mig, Danz Borin, the chick with the poofy sleeves on Bespin, the hunchbacked human with the ugnaught, the guy that shoots Luke's hand on the sailbarge...  I want these characters in plastic.  I may not be in the majority but I don't care, I want these figures made at some point.

So I truly hope you're right Scott.
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: DoctorPadawan on May 28, 2007, 08:56 AM
Add me to the "I want Scott to autograph a carded Willrow figure for posterity" legion. :)

And, in all seriousness, is there some way to get Scott mentioned on the cardback bio or something?  Maybe not even by name, but by giving him some in-universe nod?  Maybe Willrow works for OCB Research and Development and his taking the Ice Cream Maker is as revenge for being passed over by Lord Scott for a promotion or something?   ;D
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Darth_Anton on May 28, 2007, 09:35 AM
I can't believe all the buzz. The fact that they're actually talking about doing this is astounding. To be honest, I'm losing a little more respect for Hasbro. They should have stuck to their guns and not made the figure.
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Darth Broem on May 28, 2007, 09:50 AM
I can't believe all the buzz. The fact that they're actually talking about doing this is astounding. To be honest, I'm losing a little more respect for Hasbro. They should have stuck to their guns and not made the figure.

Why would you lose respect for Hasbro if they made a figure that some fans want made?     Do not get me wrong.  I am not dying to see Willrow get made but it would be a fun thing to have in the collection.  The only thing that may truly suck about is that it would be a pegwarmer.  I guess it would take place of another figure they could make.  However, with practically 1000 figures (slightly exaggerated) they have made since 1977 what is problem with getting this dude in there?  It's not like we have not had other "non-interesting" figures made in the past.  I could see that being an issue when they only released 25-35 figures a year .  But honestly we have gotten practically every main character, background alien, etc done now that every single fan has wanted.  Now we get resculpts, EU figures, etc.   I think there is a plenty of room to add Willrow is all.  I feel like any background type character we get now is kind of bonus for collectors, fans, whatever.   

Although I will admit that Willrow is sort of at the bottom of my want list.  But practically everything I ever wanted made has been done.  There are a few I want to see like Yarna, Tonnika Sisters, Luke Med Frigate, etc.
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Matt on May 28, 2007, 10:04 AM
I can't believe all the buzz. The fact that they're actually talking about doing this is astounding. To be honest, I'm losing a little more respect for Hasbro. They should have stuck to their guns and not made the figure.

That's a little gentler than what you had to say about Willrow over at Rebelscum (http://threads.rebelscum.com/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=hasbro30th&Number=2592071&Forum=f127&Words=&Searchpage=0&Limit=25&Main=2590877&Search=true&where=bodysub&Name=7361&daterange=1&newerval=1&newertype=w&olderval=&oldertype=&bodyprev=#Post2592071):

Quote
I can't believe Hasbro caved. I was hoping we'd never get this guy.

Going so far as to "hope" that a figure never gets made?  That is a mentality I will never understand. 


Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Scott on May 28, 2007, 10:19 AM
Why did they "cave"?  I recall maybe one time them saying they would not make it.  Since then there has been some pretty solid support across the board to get this guy made.  That include making the top 10 at teh Toyfare Poll...remember?  That is not just me who voted.  That is everyone everywhere. 
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: P-Siddy on May 28, 2007, 10:46 AM
Wow, a lot of bitterness and hatred on that otheR Site. I've never been in their threads. Never want to now. Why are a bunch of guys upset that ICMG is being made. He's a top vote-getter and, as Scott mentioned, every obscure background figure is going to be made because Hasbro knows the collectors are going to want them. I think it's great since Scott's been pushing for his making!
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Morgbug on May 28, 2007, 10:49 AM
What I don't get and I continue not to understand is the absolute angst being shown against Willrow in threads over at the other site.  I realize it is people that haven't been online a while and around the boards since that time.  Willrow truly represents the comraderie that has existed in the old guard of the boards.  Since the Tomart-SSG-CSW days  That is what I see...

I'm just a little lost at what to say to the animosity as well.  The figure is no different than any other figure we've seen with less than 5 seconds of screen time.  No, it's not a cool alien or an awesome droid but it's an equally valid background character.  It has a CGC card associated with it.  

More importantly, as Scott indicates, it's the realization that someone in the hobby can make a difference.  Not someone well connected to an online retailer, just a guy that hangs out on the boards, has a family and a real job not related to the hobby at all.  Frankly I think there should be a second head sculpt included, that of Mr. Scott Pearson.  What?  It's no more revisionist in nature than putting Hayden's head on the ghost of Anakin.  Ok, maybe a stretch there.

Still, all these folks so hyped for relatively meaningless EU figures simply because they're a "Darth" and they can't understand what this figure actually represents.  A waste of tooling?  Oh please, they'll sculpt a new head that they'll re-use later on some soldier or guard or something, that's about it.  A waste of tooling is Darth Malak or Darth Revan or Darth Bobby-boo or whoever the hell the next Darth coming from EU is ;)
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: P-Siddy on May 28, 2007, 10:51 AM
That's Darth Ricky-Bobby.  :P
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Morgbug on May 28, 2007, 10:54 AM
That's Darth Ricky-Bobby.  :P

No.  That one I would buy.
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: evenflow on May 28, 2007, 11:00 AM
As you guys know i am all about Yarna. Willrow has never been high on my list but i will happily buy him and i even supported the cause. I think that it is great that Hasbro is listening to the fans becuase in truth they really should. It is nice to get something you want especially when you worked to get it. I am happy he is going to get made. I think the animosity from the otheR Site comes from their #1 figure not being spoken about or being made yet. I think deep down i know Hasbro will eventually make Yarna. She was the highest polled OT character in the latest fan choice, the vintage figure almost got made, and i think the fans are vocal. But if i truly believed Hasbro was not going to make her, I can see why a fan would be annoyed by Willrow being made. I mean how many people are really petitioning for a Fozec figure. I know i want one, but its not like i am saying Fozec every chance i get like i do with Yarna. Anyway, I am happy he is going to be made and i think it would be cool if he and YArna were actually in the same wave. A nice nod to the collecting community who have petitioned for them both.  ;D
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Dan on May 28, 2007, 11:20 AM
It is amazing on so many levels- that it was ever requested, that people formed such strong opinions, that literally thousands of hours have been spent typing either for or against it, that it has occupied time in Hasbro development meetings, truly mind boggling. It is almost on a par with the blue/brown coat issue- sort of the modern version.

I'll buy him. He makes way more sense than naboodude, pisspoor luke resculpt, darth tutti fruiti, or frumpy lucas clan packs. In a line that has literally pushed me out by the sheer amount of non-movie and/or repainted/retooled product being marketed, he is a welcome unique distraction. And he's bound to come with a prop, that's as close to "playset" as Hasbro has been in a long time.

Thanks Scott, I'll take one of those signatures as well.
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Rob on May 28, 2007, 11:56 AM
I don't get it.  The more obscure the better.  I hope Hasbro makes every character that managed to find their way into the movies, especially OT, and no matter how short their time on screen was.

I hope Willrow gets made and then I hope he gets done again for Jabba's palace.

Not sure why anyone would root against something like that, but oh well.
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: David on May 28, 2007, 12:08 PM
Willrow is awesome. I'd like him made, but not until we see an SA Zam, SA Ackbar, SA Nien Nunb, Sim Aloo, and Yarna. That makes him #6 on my list of figures I most want to see made from all the movies, and #2 of characters that have never been done in any line before. Thats where I stand on ICMG.
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Jesse James on May 28, 2007, 04:31 PM
From the way Curto talked, and maybe I'm interpreting his post wrong, he was saying someone equally requested and "shot down" got passed over for ICMG...  I'm wagering that was Yarna.
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Morgbug on May 28, 2007, 04:43 PM
From the way Curto talked, and maybe I'm interpreting his post wrong, he was saying someone equally requested and "shot down" got passed over for ICMG...  I'm wagering that was Yarna.
My interpretation too, but I can't quite grasp why they'd even make that choice.  Both placed high on the fan poll (which seemed geared to EU/PT, or maybe just dominated in the vote is more like it) and Yarna was almost made at one point, so why bump her again?  Sure, it's a matter of time, but it still makes no real good sense to choose either over the other ???
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Jesse James on May 28, 2007, 04:46 PM
It could be the timing...  That WIlrow's just who they'd rather do first.  I think Yarna will happen personally, just a matter of when.  She's one I could have cared less about but I'll take her and her boobies.
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Rob on May 28, 2007, 05:39 PM
With Willrow and Hermi taken care of, Yarna's sure to be the undisputed #1 at this point.
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Jesse James on May 28, 2007, 07:51 PM
Some things the anti-Wilrow crowd need to grasp...

Hasbro won't "lose money".  I've seen the poorly thought-out logic that somehow Hasbro would lose a little on ICMG, but with a brief reality check people would realize that, once they're sold in an assortment, the money's not lost...  You only lose money if your expenses exceed your sales/income...  One solitary figure in an assortment will not do that.  And knowing collectors as Hasbro does,they know that even most of the belly achers will buy one.

Will Wilrow Pegwarm?  That remains to be seen...  Production could be cut to meet the most exact numbers in the budget, so essentially he'd break even...  Or they could saturate the market with 3 to a case to start and reshipments of him as time rolls on...  Or they could pack him 1 to a case and drive up demand right away making him as popular at retail as the McFigures of 2007...  Or if you want a much more close analogy, Sio Bibble.  Who the hell wanted that guy?  Nobody, but we got him, he's far more boring than ICMG and from a far worse film, and he's still one of the most demanded re-releases by some (probably some of the whiners that ICMG is getting made, I would wager). 

Yet there's BIbble still holding some secondary value because...  *drum roll*  Hasbro made him, I can pretty much guarantee you they never lost one $.01 on him, and he's as boring as watching collectors bitch because a figure is getting MADE... 

I think that's the main point here though.  People are bitching because something GOT MADE.  I'm all for everyone's right to complain, but complain when you DON'T get something, please...  Not when you do.  Even if it's not something you wanted, it is proving a point that Hasbro listens, and that fans somewhere are getting something cool they want too.

Did I want the Sith Infiltrator?  Not really...  I really didn't like it's scale then when I saw it.  But at the end of the day I'm happy for the guys that got a SI when they were accepting of what you knew Hasbro would deliver...  It is what it is.

I personally can give two ***** about Yarna myself...  If we never got her, I don't care, but ya know what?  I'll be happy for the Yarna camp when she gets made...  Why?  Because it makes someone happy...  I cannot really think of a better way to end this than "grow the **** up". 

If you didn't know better, you'd think some of the schlubs that started collecting a year ago that are whining about this had some stake in this.  Like if Wilrow Hood bombs, that these guys would lose their jobs...  Please though, come back to reality.  It's a new figure from a good movie...  If you hate this figure so much you should be selling your Sio Bibble to someone, for cost, that needs it.

EDIT: This wasn't directed at anyone in particular here either, I understand people who DON'T want the figure fine...  There's lots of stuff I don't want.  I can agree with the mode of thought there.  I don't see a point in wishing something didn't get made that was actually in the films (or EU for that matter) though.  I think the anger should be reserved for the pink stormtrooper with blue highlights, or the neon orange, red, green, and blue Death Star Droid 4-pack. ;)  I do direct this slightly at the guy who just hopped into collecting last year though and now has a bitch about something people who've been in it for 10+ or even 30 years are now finally getting after such a long time.
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Matt on May 28, 2007, 10:05 PM
(http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/4045/clapva8.gif)
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Scott on May 28, 2007, 10:07 PM
(http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/4045/clapva8.gif)
Post padding is not allowed here, deuce
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Matt on May 28, 2007, 10:22 PM
Post padding is not allowed here, duece

Couple things:

Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Scott on May 28, 2007, 10:46 PM
Post padding is not allowed here, duece

Couple things:

  • What's a "duece?"
  • I can expound upon my comments if you like (or if you don't).  Here goes:  There's a lot of things in Star Wars I think are ****:  Much of the prequels; nearly all of the Exhausted Universe, etc.  But I'd never in a million years waste my time actively "hoping" that that stuff never gets made.  I might not care about a super-articulated Jar Jar, for example, but somebody out there does.  How in the world does it affect me if they get something they've been wanting?  Here's a novel concept:  If I don't like or care about something, I don't buy it.  I don't know, I just think this whole "anti-Figure X getting made" thing is for the birds.  It's selfish and juvenile.  And that's saying a lot, 'cause I'm one of the most-juvenile people here.
  • 3064, baby!  Only 11,077 more to go!
::)
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Matt on May 28, 2007, 10:52 PM
::)

I don't know why I bother sometimes.  Honestly.

I wish you never got made.

 >:(
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Rob on May 28, 2007, 10:54 PM
Couple things:

  • What's a "duece?"


Duece = Turd
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Scott on May 28, 2007, 11:20 PM

I wish you never got made.

 >:(

Dad?  Is that really you?
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Matt on May 29, 2007, 12:06 AM
Dad?  Is that really you?

I always knew, deep down, that someday this day would come.

Didn't think it'd be today, though.

Hello, Son.  How's your mom?
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Jayson on June 19, 2007, 10:43 PM
Scotty and ICMG get another plug at RS (http://www.rebelscum.com/story/front/C4_Rumors_Hasbro_Spy_Report_Part_1_106892.asp)

Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Jesse James on June 19, 2007, 11:15 PM
Dan's been a huge fan/supporter of the ICMG figure getting made, so kudos to you Scott for really pushing to get a figure made, and seemingly getting it done.  Says a ton about Hasbro I think, and their ability to hear the fans...  They don't do everything as we'd like, they don't always even do what seems painfully obvious sometimes, but they do seemingly hear the fans and try to really appease them at times.

This is a score for the old school collectors that have been here since 1995 I think. :)  Hat's off to Scott on it, and everyone who signed the petition to get him too.  I wish the figure would acknowledge where the fight came to get him made. ;)
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Jeff on June 19, 2007, 11:17 PM
I think I'm going to buy 4 Willrow Hood figures -

- one to open and display with the Bespin crew
- one to open and display with his Mentor, Jedi Master Plo Koon
- one to keep carded all nice and MOMC
- one to keep carded that will get autographed at the MN club's Salute to Scotty P / ICMG Release Party
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Jesse James on June 19, 2007, 11:20 PM
I might customize an OCB to go with ICMG.  They should be running through my Bespin display together...  hand-in-hand.
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: David on June 19, 2007, 11:52 PM
Im gonna need a couple of these.  ;D Its amazing what one person can do to get another immortalized in plastic.

Wow, that sounded weird, but basically good job Scott on getting ICMG a figure!
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Rob on June 20, 2007, 12:41 AM
Once ICMG is out, will Scott's efforts be focused on getting the Jabba's Palace version of Willrow made?
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Matt_Fury on June 20, 2007, 01:49 AM
I think my ICMG will go in my POTJ bespin carbon freeze chamber.  :D
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: David on June 20, 2007, 10:51 AM
Once ICMG is out, will Scott's efforts be focused on getting the Jabba's Palace version of Willrow made?

You mean Fozec? I think thats his name.

And Id buy him, too!  :D
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: P-Siddy on June 20, 2007, 10:58 AM
I might customize an OCB to go with ICMG.  They should be running through my Bespin display together...  hand-in-hand.

That'd be cool!  ;)

- one to keep carded that will get autographed at the MN club's Salute to Scotty P / ICMG Release Party

Now that'd be one Hell of a party! Think Hasbro will give Scott the first figure off the line?
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Ghost of QG on June 20, 2007, 12:39 PM
Gonna be a pass for me. Just another background character who doesn't look interesting at all.
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Nicklab on June 20, 2007, 12:51 PM
Wow, this odyssey might really be coming to a conclusion.  If that's the case, congratulations Scott!
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Smartypants1635 on June 20, 2007, 03:01 PM
Gonna be a pass for me. Just another background character who doesn't look interesting at all.

Get out the pitchforks and 6 shooters boys, we got a varmint needin' running off. >:(
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: CHEWIE on June 20, 2007, 03:16 PM
While I'd much rather see something like a prequel Lars family or a Yarna made, I'll still pick this up if it is indeed made... and for OCB's sake, let's just hope they don't use this sculpt and slap on a new head/hands...

(http://www.yakface.com/TGuide2004/ActionFigures/tsc/050/lf2sm.jpg)

For my interests, I'm just hoping the figure is good custom fodder!

 :P

Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Ghost of QG on June 20, 2007, 04:00 PM
Gonna be a pass for me. Just another background character who doesn't look interesting at all.

Get out the pitchforks and 6 shooters boys, we got a varmint needin' running off. >:(

Ain't goin' anywhere GNT...er I mean Smartypants. . It's just a figure I don't want. For those that do, then congrats.
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Jesse James on June 21, 2007, 01:15 AM
Uh, go away...?  Or not...  whatever.  :-\ 

;)
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: P-Siddy on June 21, 2007, 09:58 AM
A little OT, but since they were in the same props article, looks like we might see Praji, Wes Janson, and maybe the Ewok mother and Woklings!! I'm sure a lot of us will want to see those carded alongside ICMG!!
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Matt on June 23, 2007, 10:20 AM
What I don't get and I continue not to understand is the absolute angst being shown against Willrow in threads over at the other site.  I realize it is people that haven't been online a while and around the boards since that time.  Willrow truly represents the comraderie that has existed in the old guard of the boards.  Since the Tomart-SSG-CSW days  That is what I see...

I'm sure you'll enjoy this brand new Rebelscum thread, again full of people who registered in '06 and '07 complaining about how Willrow will be "the death of the line" and such:

Willrow Hood (http://threads.rebelscum.com/showflat.php?Cat=&Number=2644542&page=1&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=&fpart=1#2644542)

This is in addition to the thread from last month which we've already discussed:

It's official: The Ice Cream Maker Guy from ESB (http://threads.rebelscum.com/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=hasbro30th&Number=2590877&Forum=f127&Words=ice%20cream&Searchpage=0&Limit=25&Main=2590877&Search=true&where=sub&Name=&daterange=1&newerval=&newertype=w&olderval=&oldertype=&bodyprev=#Post2590877)
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Darby on June 23, 2007, 11:28 AM
I don't think there's any single figure that can injure the line right now.  I think the volume is so high of product, the variety, that a Willow or Yarna or whoever (Dorme) would go relatively unnoticed by casual collectors.  I think a BP is the best way to go with him personally.
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Morgbug on June 23, 2007, 12:37 PM
Some interesting comments in that thread, notably about Vos peg warming.  I didn't buy it (Vos comic pack) and it's the last one hanging up here all the time. 

Some annoying comments about Sanjaya though, but I guess if your sole reference point is reality TV, you probably don't really grasp the star wars online community all that well anyway. :-X
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Matt on June 23, 2007, 01:52 PM
It really is both interesting and sad, the vitriol from the idiots.  About a potential action figure.  That's at least a year and a half away.

Can you imagine how bad the whining's gonna be when the figure actually ships?  I can, and I don't want to.  Imagine it.  Anymore.  People suck.
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Diddly on June 23, 2007, 02:05 PM
Here's my post I made at RS that I think sums up the situation well:

Quote
I find it ironic that you guys say Willrow will pegwarm because he has no screen time and the casual buyers won't know who he is.

Yet when all these random Cantina aliens are announced (who have as much or less screen time as Willrow) you guys start wanking it saying how well they will sell, etc.

Well let me tell you that I can still find every Cantina figure from last year in stores.

Personally I'm glad they're making him. Background characters are always welcomed by me, as I'm sick of getting main characters we don't need such as Vader, Tatooine Luke, etc.

So keep thinking that Willrow will kill the line, I'll keep laughing at you guys as I walk into stores and see tons of Vos figures, YOUR most wanted figure of all time according to that fan poll. Why aren't you buying him?

Seriously, it's funny that those losers think Willrow will "kill the line" while the figures that they demand are still sitting here clogging pegs as we type, preventing me from finding new stuff.

Personally I can't wait for Hood and I'll buy several to get signed by OCB, if he doesn't charge to much for an autograph.  :P
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Jesse James on June 23, 2007, 03:23 PM
Vos is a great point and should've shut them up, however if there's one thing I've learned about this hobby, it's that the dipshits never concede a point when it's made to them.  Vos is the figure everyone was getting behind for EU, and I was surprised by it honestly.  I always thought there was more demand for other EU guys, but I was clearly wrong in that assumption.

Now, I can't say that Vos is the only comic pack pegwarming, some of the Marvel ones are around me (Luke/R2, and really the others are pegwarming again now too from the Marvel series), but yes Vos/Villie is the most heavily saturated 2-pack in the Pitt area as well...  While Obi/ARC cannot be found for the most part, even after multiple reshipments.

I guess fan opinion basically means jack.  It always has...  We demanded a Duros, we got a Duros, we got a pegwarmer. 

It's like I've always said.  ANY figure can be a pegwarmer, regardless of what kind of character it is.  Hasbro I'm sure are going to be smart with Wilrow Hood distribution to test the waters a bit first. 

And for the love of god, if you haven't been around at least since before 2005, stop speaking as if you're an authority on the hobby already.  Enjoy yourself and soak up some knowledge from people who've been there longer.
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Artoo on June 23, 2007, 03:36 PM
I have a feeling scalpers will eat the Willrows up, because us ICMG fans want it. Yeah, I'm seeing a crap loads of Vos here in Jax (though that whole wave is warming). I really don't see why people want Yarna instead of some of the cooler Jabba guys. IMO, Yarna will be as bad as Lushros Dofine when she hits.
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: evenflow on June 23, 2007, 04:12 PM
IMO, Yarna will be as bad as Lushros Dofine when she hits.

The same can be said for Willrow or any other character that is only in the back ground. I dont care about willrow but will buy him. The truth is though if someone didnt petition for him i would have never noticed him in the movie and i think that could be a problem. Yarna has somewhat more screen time. She would probably peg warm as well but no more than anyone else.
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Diddly on June 23, 2007, 04:22 PM
Jesse makes a GREAT point, nobody can tell who will and will not warm. I just wish they would pull their heads out of their asses for one second to see the irony, but that's Rebelscum for ya.
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Jesse James on June 23, 2007, 06:24 PM
It's not even Scum at this point, it's a segment of it...  I looked through that thread and it's filled with basically nobody with a registration date earlier than 2005.  There's only a couple people that registered earlier, the rest are '06, '07, '05...  That speaks volumes I think because they simply don't even realize where the basis for the whole Wilrow Hood thing came from, why it's a good thing, and the **** they say obviously exposes some ignorance towards the hobby in general.  ICMG is as prone to pegwarming as anyone.  White Clonetroopers anyone?  What about Neimoidians?  What about Episode 1 figures?  What about Moff Jerjerrod who everyone claimed was a great choice because he had lines and never had a figure and all?  You make too many and they pegwarm, you make too few and people are paying $25 a piece for them.

And that's not to say folks that registered recently anywhere are ignorant always in the hobby, as I don't like people who are "noobie snobs".  But I'd say a lot of guys in that thread that are doing the really vehemently angry bitch-fest are falling into the bad category.  This figure will not kill the line, just as Duros didn't.  If that was the case, Hasbro wouldn't poll us for what we want...  They'd do the figure choosing 100% themselves with not info from the fans.

I liked the one guy's theory that Quin Lan Vos isn't selling because he "is a crappy figure".  Call me spanky but I thought $10 for two figures that are decently articulated everywhere except their knee joints wasn't too damn bad, especially in this day and age.  Add to that the sheer obscurity of it all.  And both have great sculpts to them too...  They're not bad figures, just perhaps slightly underarticulated.  But they're not selling...  That's not articulation, that's just obscurity + too much too quick.  Pack extra Obi/ARC sets in the same case and less of the Luke/R2 and Vos/Villie, and the problem isn't nearly as bad as we're seeing, that's all.  That was simply a dumb argument on that fellow's part.

And the guy(s) complaining that they'd rather have (Insert random main character super articulated resculpt here), are equally silly.  You honestly believe you won't get that figure at some point?   I love the one guy saying "Well Vos is sold out around me" as well.  Is there this one island in North America where that figure set sells out?   :D  Right buddy...  I say he's lying or he doesn't actually shop to even know.  It's just a trainwreck of a thread to read through and I regret doing so.

People just need to stop whining that someone got something they wanted and that some people actually are happy...  To quote myself (pompous, I know, but it still applies), "Grow the **** up".
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Matt on June 23, 2007, 07:05 PM
And the guy(s) complaining that they'd rather have (Insert random main character super articulated resculpt here), are equally silly.  You honestly believe you won't get that figure at some point?

All I know is:  If I never read another post from "DSIILuke" again for the rest of my life, it'll still be too soon.  Good Lord that's an annoying little mofo.
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Nicklab on June 23, 2007, 09:12 PM
Sounds like the punters pit that the rs forums have become are getting overly dramatic again.  That's nothing new.  I've ceased being surprised about the whining and complaining that happens there.

The reality is that people over there don't have a great grasp on the hobby over there, and they wind up spouting out crap.  And we all know it's crap, but somehow we get mired in the ensuing crapstorm when the initial post is probably not worth commenting on.

So, now for the real question:  will Willrow Hood kill the line?  Of course not.  He'll probably be in a TESB themed wave and packed on the short side.  Because believe it or not, Hasbro has seemingly gotten their acts together on the case assortments.  Case in point?  Wave 1.  People started going ape**** about pegwarming Obi-Wans and R2's from wave 1.  Where did they all go?  I hardly see these figures at all now.  What happened?  They sold through with the people who are more likely to buy the core characters.  How about wave 2 and 3?  I know I've been seeing a fair share of the core characters and the army builders.  The only things that seem scarce are the McQuarrie figures, and that's been done intentionally.  So it seems likely that Willrow Hood will sell through. 

The Quinlan Vos comic pack is another issue, and Hasbro may need to adjust their case ratios going forward on the EU only 2-packs.  But the sets that have movie characters seem to be selling.  I see the Vos 2-pack in the greatest quantities, followed by LUke & R2, and finally by Obi-Wan & Alpha.  But this could also be a clone thing, too.  I guess we'll know for sure when the Commander Keller / Galactic Marine 2-pack comes out.
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Matt on June 29, 2007, 09:47 AM
Rebelscum (and JD) member "Since1978" gives his take (http://threads.rebelscum.com/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=hasbro30th&Number=2662485&Forum=All_Forums&Words=&Searchpage=0&Limit=25&Main=2644542&Search=true&where=bodysub&Name=13612&daterange=1&newerval=&newertype=w&olderval=&oldertype=&bodyprev=#Post2662485) on Willrow:

Quote
The only reason he's achieved this level of recognition is due to (1) Decipher's CCG card, (2) Scott Person's petition and backstory, and finally (3) some boards where the mods are major petitioners for Willrow Hood take on a "group think" mentality where forum participants support WH because the mods do, as that's the "cool" thing to do on that board.

Otherwise, he'd be just as much a nobody as the "random" moisture farmers depicted in photos further up in this thread.

Yikes!  Any thoughts on that, Mr. Person?
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Morgbug on June 29, 2007, 10:37 AM
Quote
some boards where the mods are major petitioners for Willrow Hood take on a "group think" mentality where forum participants support WH because the mods do, as that's the "cool" thing to do on that board.

Riiiiiiiiight, because people can't enjoy something without being told to by moderators.  Sure thing sport.  I do everything Jeff does because he's damn sexy, not because of any group think thing :-X ::)
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: P-Siddy on June 29, 2007, 12:58 PM
I don't think any one of the mods have coerced any member of JD to support the making of Willrow (unless they're using some sort of subliminal messaging)MAKE. WILLROW. HOOD.. In fact, I've never seen them crack down on anyone for free thinkingMAKE. WILLROW. HOOD.. I mean, if they really doubt it, go to the ESB WishlistMAKE. WILLROW. HOOD.. Not everyone picked WH, but they still support Scott's wish to get the figureMAKE. WILLROW. HOOD.. I do think everyone here wants to see him molded because Scott's put so much time and effort into the characterMAKE. WILLROW. HOOD.. I think it's amazing to see such passion, so people should just back off and get a lifeMAKE. WILLROW. HOOD..
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Jesse James on June 29, 2007, 03:48 PM
Since1978's not been around long enough to really make those assumptions so I say read that with a grain of salt...  He doesn't know who's actually been in the hobby as long as he says he has been, and who hasn't really.  I signed the petition for ICMG long before I worked here actually, if I'm not mistaken, and that was long before I also hung out here since I didn't start my stint around these parts till I actually was part of the staff.

Not to mention the people at Scum who signed up...  Dan Curto anyone?  I don't see him lurking about our forums and posting "me too!" because we told him to like ICMG.  Dan likes him because Dan's on board and has been on board with the ICMG deal since it was brought up years ago.  That might be before he really started working at Scum even?  Not sure.

What it boils down to is a large portion of old-time collectors got behind it...  New guys don't get it, and don't like it as much.  Older collectors who were there from the start do, and support it.  The fact a fan's getting a figure made...  A single fan...  That's great.  That's a positive thing for collectors, but you cannot make people realize that fact obviously.  These are the same people who, IMO, wouldn't get the significance of the Hoth Han Coat debate...  They simply have blinders on because they weren't part of it.

Instead you'll just hear that "this will kill the line", or "I want my _______ figure instead", that you know obviously Hasbro will get to in the future. 

As I said...  Why whine and moan about it?  Why bitch up a storm like it's ending your life in collecting if this figure, which some people actually DO want, is getting made for those people?  Is it so impossible to say "It's not my cup of tea but it is making other collectors happy so that's cool"?

Like I said before, grow the **** up already...  Stop wishing what others want doesn't get made when Hasbro says they're gonna crank it out, just because you don't want it.  Don't buy it and be happy when you do get the things you want instead... 

It's sad how selfish people are in the hobby that they can't simply be happy for other people who get something they've asked for...  I don't particularly want playsets unless they're really something nice/special, but if they whipped up a playset I didn't like but others were happy, I'd be happy for the people that got their wish.

Is that a concept so foreign to so many people?  Jesus, the immaturity in this hobby is overwhelming at times.
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Rob on June 29, 2007, 05:42 PM
The worst part is how I got all sucked into arguing with a 14 year old...

I'm so embarassed.   :-\
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: P-Siddy on June 29, 2007, 08:17 PM
Jesse, you said it a heck of a lot better than I... Thank you.
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Jesse James on June 30, 2007, 12:49 PM
The worst part is how I got all sucked into arguing with a 14 year old...

I'm so embarassed.   :-\

*points and laughs*  :D
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: ruiner on July 2, 2007, 05:00 PM
The worst part is how I got all sucked into arguing with a 14 year old...

I'm so embarassed.   :-\

That's why the smart ones steer clear of the basement.
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Rob on July 2, 2007, 06:30 PM
Someone's got to try to defend Willrow.   >:(
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: P-Siddy on July 2, 2007, 07:19 PM
Someone's got to try to defend Willrow.   >:(

You mean Willrow (Man)Hood?  ;)
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: JangoTat on July 2, 2007, 07:41 PM
"man i wish they never decided to make ICMG. he is such a dumb choice"  ::)

just kidding. although i cant say i ever really cared about hasbro making the figure if and when he is released i will pick one up, because if what i have read is true he is quite the popular guy and besides I'm sure Vader would love some ice cream :P

Besides one mans loss is another's victory...
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Nathan on August 16, 2007, 03:46 PM
Willrow is this month's entry for StarWars.com's "What's The Story?" contest.

http://www.starwars.com/hyperspace/member/whatsthestory/input.html

It should be open for submissions till the end of the month.
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: P-Siddy on August 16, 2007, 04:05 PM
Willrow is this month's entry for StarWars.com's "What's The Story?" contest.

Just look at Scott's Official Willrow Hood Site (http://www.geocities.com/ocb75/).  ;)
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Nathan on August 16, 2007, 04:16 PM
Been there, seen it. So this is Scott's chance to get his backstory officialized. ;)
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Reid on August 16, 2007, 06:22 PM
Willrow is this month's entry for StarWars.com's "What's The Story?" contest.


If any backstory other than Scott's wins, I'll be very pissed. I'd hate to see Willrow turn into a former (but now reformed) Sith apprentice who flew a A-Wing in the Battle Of Hoth.
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: brian_peppers on August 16, 2007, 07:19 PM
i remeber when there were doing fan choice they called bastilla a generic jedi well this was probably the most generic. figures are more for kids than adults no kid would want that it would be a pegwarmer.
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Morgbug on August 16, 2007, 11:55 PM
figures are more for kids than adults no kid would want that it would be a pegwarmer.

Not according to Hasbro, not in a non-movie year.  Outside of movie years, adults dominate the purchases. 

And you can't tell me that it will peg warm more than Quinlan Vos?  That damn two pack is blocking the pegs around here and preventing new stuff from going out.  Two figures plus a comic for less than two single figures combined and a 'winner' in fan polls can't sell? 

Bring on Willrow!
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Jesse James on September 2, 2007, 06:51 PM
I hear tell the anti-Wilrow crowd elsewhere are at their constant whining and bitching again...  Veiling it as "just good humor and fun" instead of what it truly is.

I'll reiterate what a shame the hobby is at times though...  People are getting something they've petitioned and asked for now for some years.  It's not something everyone wants, but it's something that a fair sized vocal group DO want...  Why can't anyone just be happy about that, and happy for others instead of bitching about it?

Fine, you don't like him, don't buy him, but at least be happy for those who DO want to pick up Wilrow Hood the ICMG at some point for their collections.  That's all.

I, for instance, could give two ***** about Yarna or Padme in her various outfits...  If I never got any of those figures, and the line ended, I'd be perfectly happy really.  But at the same time I know people DO want those figures other than myself, and I'm happy when they get them and they turn out nice as people want them to be...  The hobby used to kind of have that vibe to it, but anymore there's a lot of people who jumped on in the last 2 or 3 years that really cannot be happy for ANYONE but themselves.  Take a guess where most of them settled at?   ::)

It's really a shame...  Nothing funny about it, just sadness that so many are so spiteful over a toy being made.  You'd think they were 100% positive that the one figure that made THEM happy wasn't getting made because of Wilrow getting the green light...  If that's the "sense of humor" about the situation, well I feel sorry for them I guess.  Seems like a lot of sour grapes to me.
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Rob on September 2, 2007, 07:52 PM
This is quite the Willrow Circle Jerk we have going on here.   ::)
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Reid on September 2, 2007, 08:47 PM
Jesse, I agree with you on the whole "anti-Willrow" RS crowd. It's getting ******* ridiculous over there. The most annoying part is the overly melodramatic douches who think putting out Willrow would be "death of teh line". I could care less about Commander Blop or the next random Clone being made, but do you see me whining?
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Rob on September 2, 2007, 10:01 PM
If they make a Commander Blop figure, I'm quitting this hobby.   >:(
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Resurrection Bob on September 2, 2007, 11:29 PM
If Commander Blop doesn't come with the long rifle, I'm only buying two of him.
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: CorranHorn on September 2, 2007, 11:31 PM
JJ, buddy, after all these years how can you still be dismayed at the obscene pettiness that occurs in this hobby? So what if a group of people don't care for ICMG, they can't prevent the fact that he's likely to come out in the next year or two so let them bitch and moan all they want, it will be their choice to not buy the fig. Hell ICMG's not even in my top 50 desirable figures to be made, but I'm sure as hell going to buy him as it's another unique SW character immortalized in plastic. And it's nice to see that the voices of the collectors in the shape of Scott were heard after all of his efforts, so let the naysayers complain all they want, besides they probably want a rainbow brite clonetrooper.
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Nicklab on September 3, 2007, 12:09 AM
I think the reaction is pretty overblown.  The whole Willrow saga has been kind of cool, fun and a little tongue in cheek.  If someone isn't into it, fine.  Not everyone likes everything.  And if there's a message board talking about it, you're bound to find someone who is going to like something and another person that won't.  It's just human nature.  And there are other people who think that the internet is a license to anonymously act like an ***hole.  Keeping that in mind at all times helps to keep things in perspective.
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Morgbug on September 3, 2007, 01:10 AM
Well I for one really hope they never make Willrow Hood or whatever his damn name is.  I mean really, stuff like Quinlan Vos was SUCH a struggle to get made.  Thank goodness I bought it the first time I saw it because I've never seen a figure that popular again.  Good thing Hasbro (all praise mighty Hasbro) made that before this Hood ass killed the line.


 ::)
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Rob on September 3, 2007, 01:13 AM
Quinlan who?   ???
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Morgbug on September 3, 2007, 01:23 AM
Oh stop circle-jerking you damn moderator.
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Rob on September 3, 2007, 01:27 AM
I'm strongly considering changing the title of this thread to reflect the circle-jerk aspects of it.
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Darth Slothus on September 3, 2007, 04:09 AM
Double dog dare you


Signed a CJWH Fan
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Jesse James on September 4, 2007, 01:07 AM
I think my general dismay isn't at the ICMG-ish-ness of it all...  That's kind of just a secondary thing with it all.  The point more is that one thing, ANY thing, that fans want to be made, is getting such a strong "I wish they wouldn't make this" reaction from anyone.  It's not even a majority it seems...  Seems to me most really don't care if it's made or not while there's then the split of people who do and a tribe that strongly don't.

The dumb thing about it though is that anyone's so angry over something being made that OTHERS wanted.  Nobody as wasking for choppers so I can see some "WTF" type reactions to that line when it came out...  But now we've got a group who ARE getting something they want, and there's this small gang of people who are unhappy about it and wish, essentially, misfortune for the people who do want it...  There's a distinct level of sadness to that.  It's a sign of the times for the hobby though I believe.  I guess there just was a time people weren't unhappy when something obscure got made that other people wanted.  They just shrugged and bought it too even if it wasn't their cup of tea.  Now though, there's this group that feel anything you want that you get, may somehow be taking a figure away from them that they want...

Just find it sort of ****** is all.

I mean, I actually dig the Vos figure...  I like having it, but I never voted for it and could care if they had ever made it...  However, I was happy for the Vos fans who DID get it.  Yay for them...  I didn't actively campaign saying, "That POS will be the end of the line!  How stupid to make such a dumb EU character?", but that's the attitude these days over some figures...  ICMG just came to my attention.

Oh well...  Just making a point about selfishness I guess...  Now who's turn is it to jerk me off?
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: roron corobb on September 4, 2007, 04:00 AM
I would have to tatally agree with you there Jesse. I have changed my collecting so much after the Toy Fair Vader thing, that I have sold all my vehicles (except for a few). I don't really care for the underscale or too toyish looking vehicles, but I'm not saying that Hasbro should stop making them. I'm happy for all that like the vehicles with all the new stuff that have shown up. Really you can look at that as more money for Hasbro for making more items or that is how I see it. When an item does really well that means hopefully I'll see something I really want. I really like to see every walk of Star Wars though, so I'm in for figure or anything they want to make. If they do well that means something else will be redone or make that would have not been able before. Really nobody should look at when a figure they don't care for is made it took the place of something they wanted, as it just maybe will be at a later date with the success of the product they didn't want ;). Or to put in a different way, just respect someone else's opinion as the world would be very boring if everyone had the same likes and dislikes ;D.
roron corobb
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Brian on September 4, 2007, 09:25 AM
Even without reading all of the hubbub over "there", I have to wholeheartedly agree with Jesse.  I don't understand all the negativity either when someone is getting something they want, and another group doesn't particularly care for it.  I think we can all say there are figures or even groups of figures (or other products) that come out in this line that we don't particularly care for, but that's just part of a line this big.  Like everyone has always said, if you don't like it, don't buy it.  I don't understand why we can't just be happy for each other when someone gets what they want.  Its a hobby, and it would be great if everyone was together on things and just enjoying the hobby - but those days seem gone a bit.  Like I've said before, I kind of miss the simpler, early POTF2 days.  I know there was probably - and always will be - complaining and moaning about things, but I think back then people were more happy just to have a Star Wars line again, instead of complaining about individual figures they do or don't want so much.
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: CorranHorn on September 4, 2007, 01:24 PM
JJ, I see where you're coming from. And quickly scanning through the RS thread I noticed an interesting trend. Most people who were complaining about ICMG being made were not part of the BHC and the online community in general way back when Scott started this all off. So they obviously don't appreciate the history behind the whole deal, well it's their loss I guess.
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: jedi_master_sal on September 4, 2007, 05:41 PM
I campaigned for ICMG a little over the years. He's not a huge priority to me, but he is quite a novelty.

Finally getting him made is not just havinga new figure, but also a small statement about  the collective voice of the consumer. Had the petition and subsequent followings never occured, I'm pretty sure, ICMG would never have been made.

I'll gladly buy this figure, in fact two to have one carded/ one loose.

Our collecitve voices have been heard now on many occasions resulting in figures that would otherwise not have been done. KOTOR is another example of that. Now that we are getting TWO of them, there is definite hope for the rest at least from the first game.

The Republic Commandos can be counted as another example. And the fact that we got them in one whole set after the initial release of Scorch (who blazed through on sales-pun fully intended), says something about their popularity. Sure enough the articulation could have been better, but they are good enough for what they are.

Getting back on topic, put me down for 2 ICMG.

-Sal
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: jadesfire on September 4, 2007, 06:25 PM
As long as Scott autograph's my card...I'll take two  ;)
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Morgbug on September 4, 2007, 11:02 PM
As long as Scott autograph's my card...I'll take two  ;)


I want more than an autograph, I want a kiss.
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Jeff on September 4, 2007, 11:07 PM
As long as Scott autograph's my card...I'll take two  ;)

I want more than an autograph, I want a kiss.

I'm planning on inviting Scott over to my house for a Willrow themed sleep-over party...
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Rob on September 4, 2007, 11:43 PM
Are you guys gonna play Hide the Ice Cream Maker??! 
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Jesse James on September 5, 2007, 12:57 AM
A whole new place for ICMG to escape from...  And indeed, a rocky road.
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: P-Siddy on September 5, 2007, 10:56 AM
Chocolate fudge...

Okay this thread has gotten off track.  ;)  :-*
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Scott on September 11, 2007, 11:38 PM
 ::) ::)
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Willrow_Hood
 ::) ::)

The lamest thing...they removed the link to my site ::) ::)
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Morgbug on September 11, 2007, 11:54 PM
Lame. 
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: CHEWIE on September 12, 2007, 12:18 AM
As for this figure, I'm just gonna pick up about 3-4 of them, mostly for customs.  And my collection wouldn't be incomplete if this figure isn't made, but I do think they'll do a good job on it considering it's probably going to need to have nice sculpt/articulation or a cool accessory as a selling point.  Who knows, they could even throw an Ugnaught in there for good measure.  Or heck, maybe they make a Battle Pack of citizens running through Cloud City trying to get out of there!

Anyways, glad for OCB that this figure is being made... though I want my prequel Lars family to be made soon too and would rather see Cliegg Lars and some of Jabba's aliens... hee hee 

The people who don't want this figure can pass on it.  Simple as that.
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Matt_Fury on September 12, 2007, 01:15 AM
I might have to buy three:

One to keep carded

One to have signed by OCB

and one to have displayed running by my POTJ Carbon Freeze Playset.
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Nathan on September 12, 2007, 02:41 PM
http://www.starwars.com/databank/character/willrowhood/index.html
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Reid on September 12, 2007, 03:54 PM
http://www.starwars.com/databank/character/willrowhood/index.html

 ::)

**** "Captain Yosarrian".
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Nathan on September 12, 2007, 06:18 PM
Now, now ... no need to be obscene. I know him a little bit and he's a decent chap. However, I do wish he had incorporated the ice cream maker instead of making it a computer core.
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Jesse James on September 13, 2007, 01:04 AM
Everything about that write-up is what's wrong with people making up backstory's for every character.  It truly ruins things a little when EVERYONE had some major role to play in the galaxy, don't ya think?  Pretty meh, but hey...  A backstory on sw.com (regardless of quality) probably makes him that much closer to a figure.

In my little Star Wars world though, not everyone is force sensitive...  not everyone is a Jedi.  Not everyone saves the galaxy.  Not everyone is involved in the war.  Not everyone is somehow related to a main character from the films.  Not everyone is important...

Some guys just run out of Bespin hauling ass with anything they could pilfer.
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: CHEWIE on September 13, 2007, 01:23 AM
In my little Star Wars world though, not everyone is force sensitive...  not everyone is a Jedi.  Not everyone saves the galaxy.  Not everyone is involved in the war.  Not everyone is somehow related to a main character from the films.  Not everyone is important...

Exactly.  That's why I like making photonovels so much.

Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Nathan on September 13, 2007, 02:52 AM
Everything about that write-up is what's wrong with people making up backstory's for every character.  It truly ruins things a little when EVERYONE had some major role to play in the galaxy, don't ya think?  Pretty meh, but hey...  A backstory on sw.com (regardless of quality) probably makes him that much closer to a figure.

In my little Star Wars world though, not everyone is force sensitive...  not everyone is a Jedi.  Not everyone saves the galaxy.  Not everyone is involved in the war.  Not everyone is somehow related to a main character from the films.  Not everyone is important...

Some guys just run out of Bespin hauling ass with anything they could pilfer.

Actually, I totally agree. The problem is that a "realistic" backstory is probably seen as "boring"....
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: David on September 13, 2007, 10:55 AM
I just read this 'backstory' today and I think it's pretty lame. I still prefer Scott's story. Although it's pretty unlikely at this point, I'd much rather see Scott's story on the cardback because it was really Scott who got ICMG this far.

What a bummer.  :-\
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Jeff on September 13, 2007, 12:04 PM
I think LFL is attempting to "erase" Scott... first the ICMG background and next?  Who knows?

Be careful out there man...  :-\
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Jesse James on September 13, 2007, 02:17 PM

Actually, I totally agree. The problem is that a "realistic" backstory is probably seen as "boring"....

Every reason NOT to make the backstory then...  Sometimes, you just need to list it out as, "Wilrow Hood was one of many citizens living and working in Bespin's 'Cloud City'.  Like many others, the news of the Empire setting martial law on the city prompted him to go into a panic and attempt to escape."

The Databank on SW.com can be complete with entries like that. You could list every character seen, and not all of them need a heroic background regardless of how boring it may be.  It's not like anyone's needing prompted to read it afterall, as it's free.  EU really eats it sometimes.

And this is coming from someone who actually likes EU...  I just tend to ignore the constant bull**** like this that comes up in it.
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: P-Siddy on September 13, 2007, 02:58 PM
Every reason NOT to make the backstory then...  Sometimes, you just need to list it out as, "Wilrow Hood was one of many citizens living and working in Bespin's 'Cloud City'.  Like many others, the news of the Empire setting martial law on the city prompted him to go into a panic and attempt to escape."

The Databank on SW.com can be complete with entries like that. You could list every character seen, and not all of them need a heroic background regardless of how boring it may be.  It's not like anyone's needing prompted to read it afterall, as it's free.  EU really eats it sometimes.


+1
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: David on September 13, 2007, 09:16 PM

Every reason NOT to make the backstory then...  Sometimes, you just need to list it out as, "Wilrow Hood was one of many citizens living and working in Bespin's 'Cloud City'.  Like many others, the news of the Empire setting martial law on the city prompted him to go into a panic and attempt to escape."

The Databank on SW.com can be complete with entries like that. You could list every character seen, and not all of them need a heroic background regardless of how boring it may be.  It's not like anyone's needing prompted to read it afterall, as it's free.  EU really eats it sometimes.

And this is coming from someone who actually likes EU...  I just tend to ignore the constant ******** like this that comes up in it.

Well said, I totally agree.
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: P-Siddy on September 14, 2007, 10:50 AM
Plus the fact that their bios are only listed in the EU and nothing for "Movie". Jesse, yours is a perfect example of what the movie one should be:

"Wilrow Hood was one of many citizens living and working in Bespin's 'Cloud City'.  Like many others, the news of the Empire setting martial law on the city prompted him to go into a panic and attempt to escape."

Or Character X was last seen in Jabba's Palace during Luke Skywalker's infamous visit to rescue his friend, Han Solo, from the Hutt's vile clutches. Presumably died during the "Battle" of Carkoon.
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: David on September 14, 2007, 08:02 PM
Or Character X was last seen in Jabba's Palace during Luke Skywalker's infamous visit to rescue his friend, Han Solo, from the Hutt's vile clutches. Presumably died during the "Battle" of Carkoon.


Rather than:

Character X was an undercover Rebel agent working as a skiff guard in Jabba's palace, trying to prevent a secret operation by a group of skiff guards smuggling tibanna gas to the Empire.

After assisting Luke Skywalker at the famous Battle of Carkoon, Character X led a snowspeeder patrol on the Endor moon, looking for the shield generator. After Character X spotted the generator, he alerted General Solo. If it weren't for him, Solo's strike team would never have found the shield generator and the Rebels would have failed at Endor. For his efforts, Character X was awarded the Kenobi Medallion by Mon Mothma, who was later revealed to be his twin sister.

Shortly before the Yuzzhan Vong invasion, Character X passed away peacefully in his sleep, but his spirit will live on.

 :P
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: roron corobb on September 14, 2007, 08:17 PM
Or Character X was last seen in Jabba's Palace during Luke Skywalker's infamous visit to rescue his friend, Han Solo, from the Hutt's vile clutches. Presumably died during the "Battle" of Carkoon.


Rather than:

Character X was an undercover Rebel agent working as a skiff guard in Jabba's palace, trying to prevent a secret operation by a group of skiff guards smuggling tibanna gas to the Empire.

After assisting Luke Skywalker at the famous Battle of Carkoon, Character X led a snowspeeder patrol on the Endor moon, looking for the shield generator. After Character X spotted the generator, he alerted General Solo. If it weren't for him, Solo's strike team would never have found the shield generator and the Rebels would have failed at Endor. For his efforts, Character X was awarded the Kenobi Medallion by Mon Mothma, who was later revealed to be his twin sister.

Shortly before the Yuzzhan Vong invasion, Character X passed away peacefully in his sleep, but his spirit will live on.

 :P

Was this ever stated somewhere that the same actor played the ICMG and Skiff Guard in question? I don't see ICMG working for Jabba the Hutt at all in any sense. I don't really care for the back story on StarWars.com too, as I agree with Jesse and his simple story. Not every character in Star Wars needs to be Heroes. Really there needs to be the simple people to protect or the story gets to lame. Look at it as if super heroes and everybody as has special powers and such in those stories it would not be any fun as there is no one to put into harms way for the hero to save, etc. About the only thing I care for is the computer core thing, but I do understand why a few don't care for that as it's an ice cream maker, but that never sat with me in the Star Wars world.
roron corobb
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Jesse James on September 15, 2007, 02:39 AM
What, in your world nobody's allowed ice cream?  You commie.  >:( 

 ;)
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: roron corobb on September 15, 2007, 11:57 AM
What, in your world nobody's allowed ice cream?  You commie.  >:( 

 ;)

Okay, like that ;D. Not so much that don't allow ice cream, but I think it needs a more Star Warsy name before I would allow a character to be "ice cream man"  ;).
roron corobb
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Dressel Rebel on September 15, 2007, 12:05 PM

I'm planning on inviting Scott over to my house for a Willrow themed sleep-over party...

PM me for the mailing address that I want my invite sent to.
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Jesse James on September 15, 2007, 11:10 PM
What, in your world nobody's allowed ice cream?  You commie.  >:( 

 ;)

Okay, like that ;D. Not so much that don't allow ice cream, but I think it needs a more Star Warsy name before I would allow a character to be "ice cream man"  ;).
roron corobb

So he's a frozen creamed milk distributor/engineer?
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Matt_Fury on September 15, 2007, 11:32 PM
He's not an "Ice Cream Man", he's an Ice Cream Maker Guy!  Big difference.  ;)
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Jesse James on September 16, 2007, 05:36 PM
True...  He merely could've lifted the equipment in the chaos that ensued.  An opportunist.
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: roron corobb on September 16, 2007, 08:58 PM
True...  He merely could've lifted the equipment in the chaos that ensued.  An opportunist.

See maybe he wasn't even into ice cream. Could have been a common looter with thoughts of a quick credt. ;D
roron corobb
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Scott on September 16, 2007, 10:28 PM
I was just thinking of how full circle this all has come.  I created the petition, website and backstory because of one simple reason:

(http://www.rebelscum.com/swsaga/swsaga0212plokoonabloosefrontact.jpg)

At one point right before AOTC came out there were idiots around the CSW/RS forums who were insisting that Plo Koon could create Ice through the Force when no such power had been revealed at any time in any of the movies.  Me being pretty much anti-EU and really anti-Idiotic Backstory, glommed on to this rediculous idea.  I didn't really start the wishing for Ice Cream Maker Guy, there had been requests on and off since about 1999-2000 but about this time I was growing tired of the immature newbies that invaded my on-line home, so a plot started to form.  A Jedi Master who could create Ice had to pass on his trade on to someone in the OT as seemingly everything else in the PT had to do...and like Jesse said above all EU has to tie in to the main story plot of the movies in absolutely stupid forced ways...so there was the seed.  The final straw can be thanks to Adam Pawlus, back when he worked at Yakface he through out a challenge, get 100 signatures on a petition and he would plug it on their main page.  Piece of cake...I had 100 signatures in like a day and the rest sort of spiraled out of control and while I insanely want this figure made...its all sort of surreal that I started it and while part of it was joke and part was anger and part was challenge...its still a big deal to me.

And now here we are...Willrow Hood has an official lame EU backstory.  Maybe that will inspire someone else to petition, create a website and piss Adam off :P
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Jesse James on September 17, 2007, 01:42 AM
All worthy goals...  Get crackin' folks.
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Matt on November 9, 2007, 09:16 PM
Some more-or-less positive verbiage out of the Hasbro camp today regarding Willrow, despite the somewhat-snarky question from ActionFigs/SirSteve'sGuide:

Quote
Since there has been buzz about doing a Willrow Hood (ice cream guy) figure, is there a chance that you'll visit other obscure characters from Bespin such as Treva Horme, Wiorkettle, and alien Bespin guard Utris M'toc? These characters are visually more interesting than Hood (many people think so), and Trooper M'toc could be the basis for a potential army builder as he's a Bespin security officer. (AF, 11/09/07) (http://www.actionfigs.com/index.php?categoryid=12&p2_articleid=1384)

Well, Willrow has the advantage in that he has a sizeable amount of fan support as shown by his relatively strong vote showing in the Toy Fare Fans' Choice poll last year. We like the Utris idea…a strong possibility for the next time that we do a Bespin Guard.
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Jesse James on November 9, 2007, 11:37 PM
Yeah, gotta love the (ever-so-constant) crowd that say, "he's not interesting" looking...  Well, neither are 2 or 3 figures that weren't even IN the film if I'm not mistaken.

Call me crazy, and I could be wrong here so by all means do call me crazy if I am, but weren't Wiorkettle and the Bespin dude both characters invented for the CCG, not actually IN Star Wars anywhere?

I'm all for EU, but as much anti-WIlrow as that question was, I've got a list a mile long of EU characters I'd want long before those guys he asked for...  If they are indeed EU of course.
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Matt on November 9, 2007, 11:42 PM
"Utris M'toc"?  Is he that guy with all those funky ridges on his forehead?

I thought we determined that he looked like a Star Trek reject more than he looked like someone who belonged in the Star Wars universe.
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Nicklab on November 10, 2007, 02:15 AM
It sounds like there's a Cloud City wave in the works.  Hasbro brought up Ugnaughts in the JTA Q&A, and that we might be seeing Ewoks/Ugnaughts/Jawas in 2-pack form in the near future.  Ugnaughts plus Willrow Hood would be good fodder for a Bespin wave.  Here's what I think might be cool for a Cloud City themed wave...

-Willrow Hood
-Ugnaught 2-pack
-Han Solo - Bespin gear or Carbonite
-Lt. Sheckil (Imperial Officer)
-Leia - Cloud City Escape
-E-3PO
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Nathan on November 10, 2007, 09:42 AM
Call me crazy, and I could be wrong here so by all means do call me crazy if I am, but weren't Wiorkettle and the Bespin dude both characters invented for the CCG, not actually IN Star Wars anywhere?

Nutjob! :P Actually I've not heard that. Wookieepedia (the Star Wars Wiki) doesn't say anything about that in the entry for either (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wiorkettle) of them (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Treva Horme), and they're normally very thorough about such things--sometimes ludicrously thorough.

Utris (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Utris_M'Toc), on the other hand, is from a deleted scene, at least according to that same source.

"Utris M'toc"?  Is he that guy with all those funky ridges on his forehead?

I thought we determined that he looked like a Star Trek reject more than he looked like someone who belonged in the Star Wars universe.

I'll grant you that he does look more like a refugee from the Shatnerverse, but the GFFA is a big place, and if we have room for talking trees and killer teddy bears, I think there's room for this dude. ;)
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Scott on November 10, 2007, 09:47 AM
Treva Horme can be seen right before Willrow Hood comes on screen, I've never seen Wiorkettle, doesn't mean though that he isn't there
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Matt on November 10, 2007, 02:17 PM
I'll grant you that he does look more like a refugee from the Shatnerverse, but the GFFA is a big place,

Okay, I just had to Urban Dictionary GFFA.  Nice job.

Quote
and if we have room for talking trees and killer teddy bears, I think there's room for this dude. ;)

(http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/4760/treebeardfx1.jpg)

 ???

Killer teddy bears, yes, but talking trees?  Is this the GFFA or Imaginationland?

Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Nathan on November 10, 2007, 03:43 PM
Both I suppose. It's the EU, which I would include in the GFFA but some would file under Imaginationland.

E.g.,

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Ood_Bnar

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/T%27ra_Saa

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Bafforr_tree

And of course:

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Talking_Tree
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Nathan on November 10, 2007, 03:47 PM
At least now we know where the Entwives disappeared to. They just became Jedi.

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/e/e1/Tra_Saa.jpg/220px-Tra_Saa.jpg)

And why Treebeard was so bummed about losing them. That's some pretty amazing cleavage for a vegetable.

(http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/starwars/images/thumb/5/5b/TraSaaandBarriss2.JPG/174px-TraSaaandBarriss2.JPG)
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: P-Siddy on November 10, 2007, 04:31 PM
EU? Talking trees? Hmm I'd say it's a GVFFFA, then.
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Matt on November 10, 2007, 06:07 PM
Both I suppose. It's the EU, which I would include in the GFFA but some would file under Imaginationland.

Neither.  Exhausted Universe stuff goes into the "Unimaginationland" file.
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Jeff on February 27, 2008, 03:04 PM
Finally.... you can consider this bad boy 100% officially confirmed.  :)

From today's Q&A answers...

"We can confirm that Willrow will be a basic-carded figure in 2009 in an EpV-themed wave (no updates on who his wave-mates are.  You'll have to wait!). As of yet, no design work has been started on Willrow, but we'll see if there's an opportunity to share with everyone the progress of this fan-favorite figure as work starts to begin."

(ps. I'm still first in line to get mine autographed by Scotty P  :-*).
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Brian on February 27, 2008, 03:25 PM
That is great news, and its nice to have "official" confirmation.  Hopefully it will be a great ESB wave, filled with Willrow, "ultimate" Bespin Han, and a SA Hoth Rebel Soldier :).

Quote
As of yet, no design work has been started on Willrow, but we'll see if there's an opportunity to share with everyone the progress of this fan-favorite figure as work starts to begin."

It would be nice to have a little behind-the-scenes "in progress" updates be exclusive to JD here, since our own Scott is the brains behind this whole movement :).
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Jeff on February 27, 2008, 03:26 PM
It would be nice to have a little behind-the-scenes "in progress" updates be exclusive to JD here, since our own Scott is the brains behind this whole movement :).

Plans are already in motion... :)
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: JACKOFTRADZE on February 27, 2008, 03:41 PM
PRAISE THE MAKER.....THE ICE CREAM MAKER!!!!!!
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Matt on February 27, 2008, 03:50 PM
This is the best thing ever.

Congrats, Scott.
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: P-Siddy on February 27, 2008, 03:51 PM
Awesome news! I can't wait to have some huge shin-dig for our Twin Cities meeting with ICMG and Scott as co-guests of honor!  8)
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: evenflow on February 27, 2008, 03:52 PM
I want to say congrats to you guys who really wanted him much like i wanted yarna. It is great to finally get your #1 most wanted figure.  ;D
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: iFett on February 27, 2008, 03:55 PM
Awesome news! I can't wait to have some huge shin-dig for our Twin Cities meeting with ICMG and Scott as co-guests of honor!  8)

Ya...We could like have ice cream or something.  I wonder how much Scotty will be charging for sigs?   :D
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Mikey D on February 27, 2008, 04:16 PM
Sweet news.  I'm not buying the Hasbro stuff anymore, but I will buy Willrow.  I signed Scott's petition years ago and it's great to see it finally come full circle.  Congrats, Scotty.
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Morgbug on February 27, 2008, 04:20 PM
Woot!

Congrats to Scott.  For showing that it can be done, for not backing down and for proving a point.  I'm on that petition as well from a long time ago. 

I'm having my Willrow AFA'd. :-X

I think my second greatest joy is that this will annoy the hell out of the Willrow haters.  Sorry boys, it's not a Darth _________ or parfait trooper.  Suck it up. 8)

Oh yeah, I'll be scalping shipping out Canadian carded Willrow Hood figures if anyone wants one. ;)
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Reid on February 27, 2008, 04:24 PM
Awesome news! Although Willrow isn't my most wanted figure of all time, I think it's amazing we're getting him, and I'll surely buy him, even if I'm not actively collecting at that time.
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: jedi_master_sal on February 27, 2008, 04:42 PM
Cool news.

Wow Yarna this year, ICMG next year, R5-D4 back in '06 (or did we forget that was a very sought after resculpt).

Hasbro is finally making good on giving us the figures we've so long asked for.

I just hope he's not a Naboo soldier  repaint with a cheap accessory. Not after all this time. Fozec, er, ICMG needs to be a new sculpt.
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Jayson on February 27, 2008, 04:44 PM
Awesome news! I can't wait to have some huge shin-dig for our Twin Cities meeting with ICMG and Scott as co-guests of honor!  8)

Ya...We could like have ice cream or something.  I wonder how much Scotty will be charging for sigs?   :D

We should start a list for autograph requests for Scott if the ICMG gets made.
 

;D
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Matt on February 27, 2008, 05:17 PM
I think my second greatest joy is that this will annoy the hell out of the Willrow haters.

Absolutely.  Second best thing ever.

Hopefully his very presence alone will be enough to drive some of those humorless bastards out of the hobby for good.
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Darth Broem on February 27, 2008, 05:31 PM
Well that is awesome news.  And congrats to Scott yet again.  I know all the Willrow crying and boo-hooing will begin anew but to damn bad!  LOL!  Yeah, despite some gripes about Hasbro that are sometimes legit I have to admit they sure have given us a lot of obscure background characters that probably no other company would.  I am still hoping someday the Tonnika Sisters will get made but at least Willrow and Yarna will have. 
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Nicklab on February 27, 2008, 06:02 PM
Great news!  Congrats Scott for carrying the ICMG torch for all these years.
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Darby on February 27, 2008, 08:35 PM
Yay Scott!   :)
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: David on February 27, 2008, 08:40 PM
This is so so cool! Congrats, Scott, your hard work has finally paid off! Woo hoo!!!!  ;D
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Scott on February 27, 2008, 10:46 PM
I've been grinning ear to ear all day today, seriously.  Thanks to everyone for the congrats...its not just me though.  Pretty much everyone at this site has joined me in supporting the cause, especially at the various Cons over the last few years.  Matt at Comic Con, Rob and Jeff at Toy Fair and lots of people at CII, III and IV.  I'm truly grateful to everyone who signed the petition and kept my crazy dream alive.  We've got some special stuff in the planning stages right now that will hopefully be coming in the next couple months.

I'm also considering my next petition...either a Sideshow 12" or Gentle Giant Mini-Bust (or maybe a Kubrick!)   :P

As I said on the front page, A day long remembered, indeed!
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: JACKOFTRADZE on February 27, 2008, 11:22 PM
Scott, you're the man! Thanks for setting up the petition.

Months ago I gathered all my family & friends to sign it. They have periodically asked me what's the deal on Willrow. I was proud to send out an email earlier to spread the news that your petition worked!

Berry Blast Ice cream for all! I am buying at least 6 of him. Don't let him peg warm people!
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Daigo-Bah on February 27, 2008, 11:35 PM
Terrific news!  How great would it be if we get other Cloud City denizens in the same wave?  Maybe a new Ugnaughts set and a black security guard!
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Jesse James on February 27, 2008, 11:38 PM
100% want to say congratulations to Scott first...  Scott's the guy that started this, Scott's the guy that gets the credit for getting this figure done, so congratulations to a collector who's been in this hobby for years, who knows his stuff, and who got what he wanted out of Hasbro. :)

It shows that it pays to be persistant if Hasbro shows you that "anything is possible", but won't commit to your idea directly.  Scott gets a whole figure made, and that kicks ass, plus it's a background OT figure from an area where Hasbro doesn't delve too often (Bespin).

Can we now be the Rebel Trooper resculpt home?  Please? :)

Anyway, Brent summed up my second love...  Everyone who whined against getting a background figure, against getting something others actually wanted, will now be annoyed, and that's sort of funny.

I said it before, and I'll say it again...  If you wanted a figure or something made, others should be happy for you if you get it made, instead of acting like you are taking something out of their pocket.  Anyone who acts otherwise is really needs to grow the **** up.
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: MetalJedi on February 28, 2008, 01:40 AM
This is outstanding news. This goes to show you persistence and patience pays off. Congrats to you Scott, since you started this.
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Kendo Benobi on February 28, 2008, 07:43 AM
First, hats off to Hasbro for continuing to find new ways of satisfying both avid collectors and young enthusiasts alike. Willrow hasn't been high on my list but I signed the petition to support my fellow collectors. Oh, who am I kidding? I would have signed a petition for the guy sitting third from the right, second row, center section at the Boonta Eve Podrace challenge that’s how much I love collecting Star Wars.

Second, in honor of Willrow’s 2009 debut, I think we should all petition Ben & Jerry’s to create a limited edition Star Wars ice cream flavor to help us celebrate. I am voting for “Chewie Carmel Trash Compactor Crunch”.

Nice job, Scott!
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Darth_Anton on February 28, 2008, 08:57 AM
Hold on a second! I don't understand, we're still more than a month away from April 1st.  ???
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: jedi_master_sal on February 28, 2008, 09:00 AM
First, hats off to Hasbro for continuing to find new ways of satisfying both avid collectors and young enthusiasts alike. Willrow hasn't been high on my list but I signed the petition to support my fellow collectors. Oh, who am I kidding? I would have signed a petition for the guy sitting third from the right, second row, center section at the Boonta Eve Podrace challenge that’s how much I love collecting Star Wars.

Second, in honor of Willrow’s 2009 debut, I think we should all petition Ben & Jerry’s to create a limited edition Star Wars ice cream flavor to help us celebrate. I am voting for “Chewie Carmel Trash Compactor Crunch”.

Nice job, Scott!


Ha! That's a fantastic name for an ice cream. But what would we have for the dianoga? gummy dianogas??
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: P-Siddy on February 28, 2008, 09:53 AM
“Chewie Carmel Trash Compactor Crunch”.

Hmmm. Ice cream.
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: CHEWIE on February 28, 2008, 10:44 AM
Glad for you Scott that they're making this.  I'm not really excited about this guy since he's about as boring as it gets, but still nice that it's being made.  I'm probably looking forward to his ice cream maker more than the figure itself.   ;D

Hopefully this will help open the door for a few more obscure characters that seemingly will never see the light of day.
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: David on February 28, 2008, 01:36 PM
Hopefully this will help open the door for a few more obscure characters that seemingly will never see the light of day.

Like the Bespin Snaggletooth!  ;D
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: CHEWIE on February 28, 2008, 01:56 PM
Definitely, I really like that guy.  There's so many obscure characters that still need to be made... and when it comes to obscurity, that's one of the reasons that I think Hasbro has done such a great job with Star Wars.  What other toy company makes so many different characters?  It's amazing... sometimes I forget just how good of a job Hasbro HAS done over the years.
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Morgbug on February 28, 2008, 02:55 PM
I'm not really excited about this guy since he's about as boring as it gets,...

Which is part of the point too.   ;)
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: CHEWIE on February 28, 2008, 03:26 PM
True... and I just hope we don't see it on the pegs as much as this guy -

(http://www.yakface.com/TGuide2004/ActionFigures/tsc/050/cf.jpg)
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Morgbug on February 28, 2008, 04:01 PM
I'm guessing Hasbro gets Willrow enough that he won't end up like that.  I'm guessing one per case at best.  That would put it in the right abundance: hard to find initially between completeists and the rest of us nutbars that want it.  Later it will almost undoubtedly start to warm.  But I'm guessing he'll be a short term PITA rather than the mustard trooper who'll be on the pegs as long as Shmi was (actually, is around here).

I gotta admit, I'm having fun drifting around to sites I barely go to and seeing the angst.  That's nearly as much fun as getting this figure in the first place. :)  I'm tempted to post just to stick a finger in the wound. 
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Jesse James on February 28, 2008, 04:04 PM
Yellow Naboo dude sold through here...  We seriously did not see him warm pegs a ton here like other areas.  I actually wish I could've gotten some more of them, and was hoping to get them at a discount, but they wound up selling through fairly well.  Go figure.
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: David on February 28, 2008, 04:04 PM
Same here, Jesse.
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: CHEWIE on February 28, 2008, 04:17 PM
The Wal-Mart closest to my house has about 30 or so TAC figures, but even more of the SAGA Mustard Bastard.  If you guys want some, please, please, please let me know.  I'll even pay for shipping.
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: David on February 28, 2008, 06:40 PM
The Wal-Mart closest to my house has about 30 or so TAC figures, but even more of the SAGA Mustard Bastard.  If you guys want some, please, please, please let me know.  I'll even pay for shipping.

It seems like you REALLY want to get rid of these...

I'll send you a PM a little later.  ;)

Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: DoctorPadawan on February 28, 2008, 06:58 PM
Congratulations, Scott!  Reading that bit of news had me smiling ear to ear, and just the fact that it's getting made after all your efforts have me more excited than anything coming this year.  :)

So are we going to be taking up a collection to pay for Scott's inevitable carpal tunnel surgery that will result due to his signing everyone's figures?  ;)
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Matt_Fury on February 28, 2008, 07:17 PM
I want one with Scott's signature and then track down the actor who played him and get him to sign it too!

Scott, I hope you are already working on a way to get our figures signed.  I have a feeling you're going to be swamped with requests!
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Jesse James on February 28, 2008, 08:54 PM
I took some advice and read around at what's being said...

Good god.   ::)

Apparantly the fear is that ICMG may be the bane of the Star Wars brand, and possibly could cause the line to implode on itself.  At the very least, it seems everyone is predicting that ICMG may wind up somehow backfiring on the fans, and Hasbro will NEVER listen to fans or make background characters again.

So according to all these people, Scott may have ruined the entire hobby.

Thank Scott, kids.  >:(
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Scott on February 28, 2008, 09:06 PM
From what I see...people bitching about this are relatively new to the message board scene and have no idea why, where or how this started.  Yeah it started as a joke.  It turned in to something so much more than that about 2 weeks after it started though, mainly because ******** in this hobby laughed at me.  I understand people asking why, especially new people to the boards.  If I could and still cared enough to post at otheR Sites and explain to 1978 different members about why their opinions suck...I would.  But I can't and I don't care what other people think.

RE: Autographs...not sure how to handle that one yet.  Let us noodle a little bit on that one.
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: David on February 28, 2008, 09:14 PM
If I could and still cared enough to post at otheR Sites and explain to 1978 different members about why their opinions suck...I would.  But I can't and I don't care what other people think.


Good for you! Just know that your fellow JDers will be buying ICMG up in droves!  :)

Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Scott on February 28, 2008, 09:53 PM
Oh...and one other thing for the hundredth time, I don't and didn't take this whole thing as a joke nor does a large majority of people who post here and also want this figure.  So yeah...it started as a joke but that was a long long time ago...its not any more and to say that this is a whole big joke and I "got Hasbro"...it's not. 
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Kendo Benobi on February 28, 2008, 11:03 PM
I am new to this board but I think the folks criticizing Hasbro's decision (and it is truly is theirs in the end) have completely lost sight of the fact (yes, fact) that Willrow Hood is infinitely better than yet another Clone Trooper, yet another BARC trooper, yet another Vader, yet another Tatooine Luke, etc.

Back in 1981 or so, I sent Kenner a letter which included a very long list of Star Wars action figures that I really, really, really wanted them to make. I was about 10 years old and I had worked on this list for a long, long time. I typed the letter and then I'd think about another character I hadn't included (I didn't know many of their “real” names back then) and then I'd have to start all over and retype the letter. (This was before home computers.) I remember the day I finally sent the letter because I asked my mother for a stamp and an envelope and she wanted to know why I needed them. Then she insisted upon reading the letter. She thought it was silly and she couldn't understand why I was so obsessed with getting it just perfect. I sent it anyway. 

About a month later, I received this very dry, very wordy letter back from Kenner’s legal department stating why they couldn't accept my list and that I needed to first trademark “my ideas” before submitting them. I was crushed. Not so much because of their response but because they didn't send me my list back.

Things have changed since then big time. Whether you support Willrow or not, consider the 10-year-olds, the 20-year-olds, the 30-year-olds, etc of today who have a collective voice because of forums like this one. And consider that Hasbro actually listens to us and gives us Fan Favorites and Fan Choices, etc. And then consider Scott, who didn't need anyone’s approval (including his mother's) to start a movement around a character most thought would never see the light of plastic.   

I don't care why you did it, Scott. I get to cross another one off my (new) list. Thanks. 
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Zalis on February 29, 2008, 03:42 AM
Wow, I can't believe that he is actually going to be produced. I've lurked on these boards for a long time, so I've known about this petition. I will definitely be grabbing one.
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: CHEWIE on February 29, 2008, 11:04 AM
From what I see...people bitching about this are relatively new to the message board scene and have no idea why, where or how this started.  Yeah it started as a joke.  It turned in to something so much more than that about 2 weeks after it started though, mainly because ******** in this hobby laughed at me.  I understand people asking why, especially new people to the boards.  If I could and still cared enough to post at otheR Sites and explain to 1978 different members about why their opinions suck...I would.  But I can't and I don't care what other people think.

RE: Autographs...not sure how to handle that one yet.  Let us noodle a little bit on that one.

I wouldn't worry too much about what other people are saying...  I don't think their opinions suck so much as it's a matter of them thinking it's a silly figure.  I think that some are they're jealous that another fan (and a fan site) is responsible for this being made (and if that's the case, those people suck).  Most of the people bitching about it will probably end up getting one anyway, and be glad that it was made. 

For the record, I'm all for the figure being made - though he is boring as hell and my collection would be just fine without him being made, and I know that he's not too high on most people's wish lists.  But Dannik Jerriko is boring as hell too.  And I love that figure... many, many other boring characters have seen plastic too... this line is so diverse that there's always room for characters like ICMG to be part of the line. 

Also, I'll be getting at least one to have running through Cloud City, trying to get to his ship before his ice cream melts, and probably a handful of others for customs... if there's one thing I'm pretty sure about, is that this will be a GOOD figure.  They're going to give this figure a great sculpt and great articulation - they do this for almost all background characters these days.  So this figure will probably be very welcome in the collection of just about everyone that collects this stuff.
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: jedi_master_sal on February 29, 2008, 01:13 PM
I'm looking forward to getting this fig. 1 carded, 1 loose. Depending on sculpt I might even get a third for customs. And heck if there's a chance to get the actor to sign it, I might get a fourth.

I support Scott's initial wrk on this. However it's because of all the support thrown his way with the petition and other methods that really got this done. If it were just one person, I highly doubt it would have happened. Again thanks to Scott, and thanks to the many hundreds maybe even now thousands of people who supported the effort.

Nyrat Agira anyone??
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Nyrat_Agira
(http://images.wikia.com/starwars/images/e/e7/Nyratagira.jpg)
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: David on February 29, 2008, 01:59 PM
I've always wanted Nyrat Agira to be made.  :)
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: CHEWIE on February 29, 2008, 02:17 PM
Dorme...  I want Dorme.
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Darby on February 29, 2008, 11:16 PM
Dorme...  I want Dorme.

Word.  I still have a petition out there somewhere (it actually got a mention in Vogue magazine!).   :)

Right here. (http://www.petitiononline.com/Dorme/petition.html)
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: MetalJedi on March 1, 2008, 12:22 AM
Dorme...  I want Dorme.

Word.  I still have a petition out there somewhere (it actually got a mention in Vogue magazine!).   :)

Right here. (http://www.petitiononline.com/Dorme/petition.html)

I signed this one as well. Dorme needs to be made.
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: David on March 1, 2008, 11:32 AM
I would buy Dorme. I just signed the petition.  :)
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Kendo Benobi on March 2, 2008, 10:32 AM
Dorme...  I want Dorme.

Word.  I still have a petition out there somewhere (it actually got a mention in Vogue magazine!).   :)

Right here. (http://www.petitiononline.com/Dorme/petition.html)

I've signed it, too.
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: David on March 2, 2008, 10:55 AM
My #1 never-before-made figure wish is probably Bana Breemu.

(http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/thumb/9/9c/175px-Senator_Bana_Breemu.jpg)

Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Darth_Anton on March 2, 2008, 11:12 AM
So now that this figure has come to pass, what obscure character will JD get behind now?
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Jeff on March 2, 2008, 11:15 AM
Delva Racine!

From the Official Site:
"Challenging fashion designer Delva Racine may have gone just a bit too far with her latest collection. She's one of the many patrons seen milling about the Galaxies Opera House."

(http://www.starwars.com/episode-iii/explore/sithsnap/2005/08/img/ep3_ia_90520.jpg)
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Darth_Anton on March 2, 2008, 11:19 AM
That's a good one. And by good I mean hideous, a worthy follow to up Mr. Hood.  ;D
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Banthaholic on March 2, 2008, 07:48 PM
There is no doubt there is a mysterious Lore to the Star Wars Holiday Special. The debut of Boba Fett, the debut of Kashyyk, and a revisit to the Mos Eisley Cantina. Wuher is over worked, hasn't has a day off in months. the locals complain at the time to get a drink. Fights break out continuously, he needs some more help. Enter Ackmena. She has an aura of control, the ability to handle to worst the galaxy can throw at her, and rumor has it makes one heck of a Tom Collins.

Like ICMG before, there will be a petition http://www.petitiononline.com/Ackmena/petition.html to voice our opinion.

We should not rest until our Cantina's have two bartenders. Ackmena is the answer, the question being when?
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: CHEWIE on March 2, 2008, 11:42 PM
Quote
(http://www.starwars.com/episode-iii/explore/sithsnap/2005/08/img/ep3_ia_90520.jpg)

Most ridiculous character design ever.   :P

I wonder what her face looks like.
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Ryan on March 3, 2008, 03:20 AM
I'm almost postive that was Natalie Portman. Wheter or not that is what the character is supposed to look like under there I'm not sure of, however.
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: JesseVader08 on March 3, 2008, 03:04 PM
There's no chance of ICMG pegwarming in my neighbourhood since I'll be buying every one I find.  8)
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Master_Phruby on March 3, 2008, 03:58 PM
I agree with Jeff. Delva Racine would be great. Especially if it was really Padme in some weird outfit.
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: ruiner on March 5, 2008, 12:38 PM
Or you could commission www.owenscustoms.com to make a good one for you.

Yeah, Owen's ICMG really rocks the house.

(http://www.owenscustoms.com/P1010005.jpg)

 :P

(http://images.dvdtalk.com/images/smilies/lol.gif)

Sorry, I just had to bump this one...
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: CHEWIE on March 6, 2008, 03:11 PM
Yeah, not his best work.  Since he made that in 2004, I'd say Owen's raised the bar.  At least a little. (http://www.owenscustoms.com/palpatinesoffice.html)
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: jedi_master_sal on March 8, 2008, 12:03 PM
Yeah, not his best work.  Since he made that in 2004, I'd say Owen's raised the bar.  At least a little. (http://www.owenscustoms.com/palpatinesoffice.html)

Yeah, I'd say. That's a sweet set-up.
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Nathan on March 9, 2008, 11:54 PM
(http://cheesebuerger.de/images/midi/konfus/c058.gif)

Holy cannoli! That thing is sick awesome.

The windows do need some backdrops ... unless Imperial City's architecture changed drastically between Episodes III and IV. ;D

(http://www.owenscustoms.com/POZD.JPG)
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: CHEWIE on March 10, 2008, 11:18 AM
Yeah, it's awesome!  I am very fortunate to have that in my collection... saving it for a few photonovels. 

As for a backdrop, I'm wanting to make one but at this point I'm drawing a blank on how to make it look right.

Sorry for going off topic.
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: ruiner on March 10, 2008, 02:05 PM
I'm waiting for the Hasbro version.
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: CHEWIE on March 10, 2008, 02:44 PM
I'm waiting for the Hasbro Sideshow version.


Probably just wishful thinking on my part.
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Jeff on August 17, 2008, 10:41 PM
Since we didn't get an Willrow update at SDCC, we thought we'd use the Q&A this week for an update...

1 Any chance you could give the "ICMG Fan Club" at JediDefender an update on the staus of their beloved Willrow Hood? Any truth to the rumor that he'll share a body with the Rebel Tech in the Scramble at Yavin BP that was shown at SDCC?

** We have nothing to share yet as we are at the stage when work is just beginning. He'll be a unique figure due to his somewhat "generously" proportioned physique.


Yeah, I know it's not much but at least he's some info that suggest that he's still coming... :)
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Darth Broem on August 17, 2008, 11:43 PM
Nice to hear he won't get the retooled treatment.  I did not think they would do that anyway.  They know the one's that really want Willrow would go ballistic if they went that route.  Mr. Hood deserves the finest Hasbro can offer afterall. 
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: P-Siddy on August 18, 2008, 06:17 PM
He'll be a unique figure due to his somewhat "generously" proportioned physique.

I never new the ICMG was so well-endowed.  :o
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Darth Broem on August 20, 2008, 12:08 PM
He is full of surprises.  More than meets the eye apparently.
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Matt_Fury on August 20, 2008, 02:07 PM
Wow...he's a Transformer too?
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Master_Phruby on August 20, 2008, 02:41 PM
He and Paply are doing a new viagra commerical.
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Matt on August 25, 2008, 12:58 PM
I never new the ICMG was so well-endowed.  :o

Uh, you are aware the character is a negro, right?  He's packin' somethin' underneath that orange jumpsuit of his, and it ain't a gigantic ice cream scoop, lemme tell ya.
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Darth Broem on August 25, 2008, 01:08 PM
That's why his last name is Hood.  He needs to cover that big thing up. 



Yeah...sorry.
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: JACKOFTRADZE on November 1, 2008, 12:33 AM
Anyone wondering what happened to Willrow after he fled Bespin? He became a singer at a intergalactic bar.
Watch this video to find out and look for the really tall singing Jawas.......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdXryyFw7No

(The lizard dude in heat is gonna get his freak on after smoking the other Alien and taking the fairy thing away on his horse.)
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Daigo-Bah on November 15, 2008, 07:50 PM
After I finish a very large Dagobah diorama I'm making now, I plan on making a Cloud City hallways display, largely due to the arrival of this great character.  I may have to make some custom citizens to run with him!
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Brian on December 23, 2008, 11:53 AM
I was just listening to the the Forcecast Christmas episode (from last Friday I believe), and Derryl DePriest was one of the guests on the show and he specifically mentioned again that Willrow Hood is on the way in 2009 while he was discussing "collector focused" figures that drive the Legacy Collection line.  I know he's already been confirmed, but its nice to hear it once again.  I was hoping there would be a mention of our very own Scott when discussing the figure though ;).
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Jesse James on December 23, 2008, 03:42 PM
That is pretty good stuff...  Scott, you gotta be giddy as a little school girl since he's coming for sure it seems. 

Now where's my f'n Fleet Trooper.   >:(
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Scott on December 23, 2008, 04:03 PM
Yeah, I'm really happy.  I absolutely cannot wait for Comic Con this year
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: obi-dad on January 2, 2009, 11:14 PM
Now where's my f'n Fleet Trooper.   >:(

Am I mistaken, or didn't Hasbro already confirm a new RFT?  I can't remember where/if I read it, but I've had it in my head for a while now.  I posted a question to Hasbro  (on another site) asking if they have fixed the black paint on the helmet, as both the original and the repacks in the Tantive IV BP both had the black paint past the sculpted plastic line on the front of the helmet (but the black paint app on Captain Antilles was correct).  I'm fairly certain that whenever they redo this figure, they will do the joints properly this time.  ... anyway, the question was rejected when they couldn't confirm that Hasbro already confirmed the figure.  I knew if anyone was paying attention to this one, it would be Jesse.  So, was I smokin' something, or did Hasbro confirm this for next year?
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Darth_Anton on January 3, 2009, 11:04 AM
You're not entirely mistaken. A new RFT hasn't been "confirmed," but it is a strong rumor that tends to turn out to be true. I think you got the chronology right.
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Nicklab on January 3, 2009, 09:18 PM
You're not entirely mistaken. A new RFT hasn't been "confirmed," but it is a strong rumor that tends to turn out to be true. I think you got the chronology right.

JEDIDEFENDER Q&A (http://www.jedidefender.com/newspro/fullnews.cgi?newsid1220671778,70469,)

Quote
ANSWER:  There will be a new SA Hoth Rebel Trooper in a Spring 2009 wave. A new Rebel Fleet Trooper has not been slotted in yet, but we are looking for an opportunity to get it in, hopefully in 2010.
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: CHEWIE on January 4, 2009, 07:09 PM
I just hope that Willrow Hood doesn't warm the pegs as bad as Yarna has... if his accessory is nice and he's good custom fodder, at least I'll buy several more than I did of Yarna (bought two of her).
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Darth Broem on January 5, 2009, 07:51 AM
I am looking forward to Willrow.  However, I assume it will warm as much if not more than Yarna.  She actually did pretty good around my area.  She did not rot nearly as bad as Lobot and those Neimodians did.  I think we all knew what her status would be pegwarmer when she was released.  She was still one of my favorite figure releases of 2008.  But I have scaled way back on figures and did not buy that many figures this year. 
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Jayson on January 5, 2009, 08:00 AM
As being part of the initial TLC push, I would think that the production run for Yarna and the entire first wave was higher than the later waves. Granted Willrow will warm to some degree but I think that he'd not to the extent that Yarna is.
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Daigo-Bah on January 5, 2009, 09:26 AM
Yeah, and he really should be one per case, not two or more like some other main character figures.  In researching for my Dagobah diorama, I noticed that there is an ice cream maker at Luke's training site, when he's force-lifting the boxes while doing a handstand.  So now I need a second Willrow just for that!  His plain outfit should be an easy custom for other characters.
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Matt_Fury on January 5, 2009, 02:18 PM
Don't forget he's also in the cantina in ANH...in the back corner there was a coldstone!   ;D
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Morgbug on January 6, 2009, 01:19 PM
Agreed that Willrow should be one per case.  I also expect him to warm, but on the bright side, Yarna was sitting quite a bit but is long gone now following the Christmas rush.  Lots of kids must have got six boobied hideous action figures for gifts. 

I wonder if I could make Willrow the last SW action figure I buy? 
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: CHEWIE on January 6, 2009, 02:17 PM
Yarna is still pegwarming in my area... in fact, she's the only figure left from the Christmas season at quite a few stores in these parts.
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Matt on January 6, 2009, 06:05 PM
I wonder if I could make Willrow the last SW action figure I buy? 

If all goes to plan, he'll be the first SW action figure I'll have bought since around Thanksgiving 2005.

(Unless I get a little weak-kneed upon seeing the new Ben Kenobi in person.)

And he'll be the last, too.

(Unless Hasbro ever comes to their collective senses and finally does a good R2-D2 using the new Astromech body.)
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Matt_Fury on January 6, 2009, 07:31 PM
Agreed that Willrow should be one per case.  I also expect him to warm, but on the bright side, Yarna was sitting quite a bit but is long gone now following the Christmas rush.  Lots of kids must have got six boobied hideous action figures for gifts. 

I wonder if I could make Willrow the last SW action figure I buy? 

You should come down to Colorado Springs Brent...Yarna is Legacy's Moff Jerjerrod here.
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Jesse James on January 6, 2009, 08:36 PM
You should come down to Colorado Springs Brent...Yarna is Legacy's Moff Jerjerrod here.

I concur...  Lots of Yarna here.  Actually, the ONLY figure at my nearest WM is Yarna.  Not one other figure there now, but Yarna.  About 6 pegs of Yarna.
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Nicklab on January 6, 2009, 09:36 PM
And this is what I was worried about when Hasbro said they were going to do Yarna.  I knew she would be a pegwarmer before too long.  But fanboys on boards kept saying that she would sell, that they'd buy multiples, yadda yadda yadda. 

Figures like this were made to be shortpacked.

No offense to ICMG, but he should be shortpacked, too.  It's way too inside for the casual buyer.
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: CHEWIE on January 6, 2009, 10:39 PM
I kind of think the smartest move for Hasbro on this would be to have thrown him into a battle pack for some reason, maybe the heroes all running out of cloud city with him on the side carrying his precious machine.
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Pete_Fett on January 7, 2009, 08:46 AM
Figures like this were made to be shortpacked.

The only problem with that is due to the build-a-droid, you can't short pack any one figure over the other figures in that same wave that contain the rest of the parts to the same droid.

In Hasbro's defense on this issue, they ONLY Yarna in the Wave 1 cases. It's not like Yarna came mixed in with Wave 3 or Wave 4, so they packed her as lightly as they could under the constraints of the build-a-droid line.

Like Chewie said - figures like this would have been much better if left for a "battle pack" of some kind. They could have given us a ROTJ Jabba's Palace battle pack with an all new Jabba, new Oola and this Yarna figure and the entire set would have sold just based on Jabba alone.

Part of me is glad that they put her on a card since she was one of those figures that "almost" got made in the original Kenner line, but when I look at the sea of Yarna figures that are on the pegs now, I have to worry that her "failure" will eventually get back to Hasbro and deter them from releasing figures of obscure characters like her in the future.

I hope I'm proven wrong, but I think the exact same thing is going to happen with Willrow Hood. About the only reason a kid might want this figure is to complete the droid he has a part of.
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Brian on January 7, 2009, 08:46 AM
Our local WM has nothing but Yarnas and Breha Organas on the pegs, and probably at least 10 of each.
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Darth Broem on January 7, 2009, 09:08 AM
Sorry to hear that guys.  Seriously, she is not that bad where I live.  You can find her easily enough but she's not the only figure standing.  Mrs Organa seems to be hanging in good quantities at this point. 
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Nicklab on January 7, 2009, 10:21 AM
Figures like this were made to be shortpacked.

The only problem with that is due to the build-a-droid, you can't short pack any one figure over the other figures in that same wave that contain the rest of the parts to the same droid.


Not really.  They found a way around that by packing the same part that a new figure has with a reissue as well.  And in most cases that was an army builder.
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Matt on January 7, 2009, 10:22 AM
I bought up a bunch of Gargans to donate to Toys For Tots and it turned out not even the homeless kids wanted them.  "No thank you sir, I'd rather go without this Christmas than to be caught dead playing with that thing," a dirty little nine-year old told me.  Sad.

They could have given us a ROTJ Jabba's Palace battle pack with an all new Jabba, new Oola and this Yarna figure and the entire set would have sold just based on Jabba alone.

How many Battle Packs have they done which consisted of entirely brand-new sculpts?
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Jeff on January 7, 2009, 10:30 AM
I agree with Nick, it's easy to shortpack a figure still...

In Case #1 you could have
1x Willrow (Droid Piece 6)
1x Stormtrooper Repack (Droid Piece 6)

And in Case #2
2x Stormtrooper Repack (Droid Piece 6)

Problem solved!  Willrow is shortpacked, but there are still plenty of droid pieces out there.
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Nicklab on January 7, 2009, 07:13 PM
And truth be told...shortpacking Willrow Hood might give him a little more buzz amongst collectors.  It's a collector targetted figure to begin with.  So why not try to stir the pot with collectors a bit by intentionally shortpacking him?
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Daigo-Bah on January 7, 2009, 09:48 PM
It's too bad about Yarna- she's beautifully sculpted, and I bought 2 myself, for different dioramas.
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Darth_Anton on January 8, 2009, 10:20 AM
And truth be told...shortpacking Willrow Hood might give him a little more buzz amongst collectors.  It's a collector targetted figure to begin with.  So why not try to stir the pot with collectors a bit by intentionally shortpacking him?

As much as I am against short-packing, I would have to agree with that suggestion.
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Morgbug on January 8, 2009, 11:57 AM
Yup, I completely agree on the short pack.  Willrow should be hard to find or quite frankly could be a SWS.com exclusive as far as I'm concerned.  Obviously they are unlikely to make it that way, but even a Con exclusive would work for that figure.  I love the idea, I'm excited about the figure, but honestly I do not expect it to sell well.  It's got Mustard trooper/Yarna written all over it.  If they distributed it like the ketchup trooper, maybe. 

I want my US carded version and my trilogo version and I want them both signed by Scott.  I'd really, really like to see some sort of mention of Scott on the cardback too because there is no way this figure would be out without him.  It doesn't have to be direct, but some clever part of the backstory would be fine.  It would be almost tragic if they don't. 
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: P-Siddy on January 8, 2009, 04:15 PM
It doesn't have to be direct, but some clever part of the backstory would be fine.  It would be almost tragic if they don't. 

As long as it's from Scott's background, not the cheesy SW.com "I'm like every obscure background character yet I have close ties to (Empire/Rebellion) and walked (insert a main character)'s dog and helped destroy the Death Star."

Also, include the Saga Plo Koon ice effect as well.
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Nicklab on January 22, 2009, 06:05 PM
Word from GH about the latest Insider is that Willrow Hood gets a nod in the Hasbro article.
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: JediJman on January 22, 2009, 10:25 PM
Anyone know what Scott is getting in the way of royalties on this release?  I may buy extra if he gets a cut of the profits.   ;)
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Scott on February 1, 2009, 10:13 AM
 :)

(http://www.jedidefender.com/news/images/1-08/WillrowHood_Small.jpg) (http://www.jedidefender.com/image.pl?http://www.jedidefender.com/news/images/1-08/WillrowHood.jpg)
Click to enbiggen
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Nicklab on February 1, 2009, 10:25 AM
Very cool get from the Q&A's Scott.  Congrats!
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Rob on February 1, 2009, 11:56 AM
Sounds like very limited articulation, or am I reading that wrong?
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: CookieeMonster on February 1, 2009, 12:13 PM
Your reading it wrong Rob, he is SA all the way as far as I can see from the notes.  And I love the Top Secret Rebel Holder (No its not its his Ice Cream Maker).
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Rob on February 1, 2009, 12:21 PM
Rephrase, lack of ball-joints other than the neck.
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Scott on February 1, 2009, 12:24 PM
I'm pretty sure those details mean ball joints
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Jayson on February 1, 2009, 12:27 PM
I believe "insert molded" means "ball-jointed" versus the inferior angle cut joints.
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Scott on February 1, 2009, 12:45 PM
The same wording was on the Slave Leia drawings

(http://i44.tinypic.com/vfhxt0.jpg)
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Diddly on February 1, 2009, 12:53 PM
Sounds like he has everything but ankle articulation.

And who else wants to paint over the Rebel logo on the "top secret Rebel plans container?" Kinda defeats the purpose of him being an Ice Cream Maker Guy when his bucket can't hold ice cream... ::)
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Rob on February 1, 2009, 01:07 PM
I believe "insert molded" means "ball-jointed" versus the inferior angle cut joints.

Ooooooooh.  So "insert molded" is the name of the joint... I was reading it as a command, as in... insert those molded joints here.

I had visions of the RFT elbow.
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: efranks on February 1, 2009, 02:01 PM
Great score for the Q&A!  They just finally told us that he would be in the second ESB wave this year so it's nice to see the drawings for him so that we know for sure he's coming.

   E...
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: JediMAC on February 1, 2009, 02:33 PM
Please tell me their image is reversed, and that he'll actually be carrying the ice cream secret rebel plans in the correct arm...  :-\



Either way, congrats once again to OCB for making it all happen.  8)
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Scott on February 1, 2009, 02:47 PM
I thought that at first Matt, but if you look at both arms, they look almost identical, so he's an ambidextrous spy
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Carpeteria3000 on February 1, 2009, 04:04 PM
Looks like they're putting a bit too much pomp in the pompadour - that thing should be flattened out. Otherwise, looking good!
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Morgbug on February 1, 2009, 06:54 PM
 ;D
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Famine on February 2, 2009, 01:19 AM
I never thought I'd see the day.

Awesome!

Kevin
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Brian on February 2, 2009, 09:07 AM
Really cool that they passed this along, and it is cool to see this figure actually coming to fruition.  Congrats Scott - can't wait to pick a couple of this guy up.  When does the autograph lineup start?  ;)
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Jayson on February 2, 2009, 11:19 AM
Please tell me their image is reversed, and that he'll actually be carrying the ice cream secret rebel plans in the correct arm...  :-\

I thought that at first Matt, but if you look at both arms, they look almost identical, so he's an ambidextrous spy

Also the illustration notes say "insert molded elbow(s)".  ;)
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Mikey D on February 2, 2009, 03:08 PM
I see the hate for Mr. Hood is still going strong over at scum.  That's to be expected, I guess.  The idiots over there never really got it.

I'm down for one (two if Scott promises to autograph one) and I quit collecting the 3-¾" figures years ago.  So yes, haters.  People will be buying this figure.  Will he pegwarm?  Maybe.  It'll be no different from all the rainbow colored troopers people seem to have a hard on about.
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Jayson on February 2, 2009, 03:30 PM
I see the hate for Mr. Hood is still going strong over at scum.  That's to be expected, I guess.  The idiots over there never really got it.

I'm down for one (two if Scott promises to autograph one) and I quit collecting the 3-¾" figures years ago.  So yes, haters.  People will be buying this figure.  Will he pegwarm?  Maybe.  It'll be no different from all the rainbow colored troopers people seem to have a hard on about.

I logged in over there for the first time since '05 to watch/respond in that thread.  :P
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: iFett on February 2, 2009, 03:46 PM
I logged in over there for the first time since '05 to watch/respond in that thread.  :P

I registered there back in 02 (still have my 40 posts or so) but it is amusing to see what goes on over there from time to time.
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Darth Broem on February 2, 2009, 04:24 PM
Yeah, they have some very bitter feelings about that figure there.  Man alive.  It all seriousness the figure is going to warm the pegs for awhile but so does Queen Organa and that Luke as an office comic pack. 
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Jesse James on February 2, 2009, 04:55 PM
I see the hate for Mr. Hood is still going strong over at scum.  That's to be expected, I guess.  The idiots over there never really got it.

I'm down for one (two if Scott promises to autograph one) and I quit collecting the 3-¾" figures years ago.  So yes, haters.  People will be buying this figure.  Will he pegwarm?  Maybe.  It'll be no different from all the rainbow colored troopers people seem to have a hard on about.

I logged in over there for the first time since '05 to watch/respond in that thread.  :P

You have my sympathies...

It's the Chuck E. Cheese of Star Wars forums unfortunately.
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: jadesfire on February 2, 2009, 07:42 PM
Ohh.....very cool news indeed!!  So where is the autograph line exactly??  ;) :-*
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: P-Siddy on February 2, 2009, 10:21 PM
Ohh.....very cool news indeed!!  So where is the autograph line exactly??  ;) :-*

It starts in the Twin Cities!  ;)
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Darth Broem on February 2, 2009, 11:22 PM
It's to bad the cardbacks are not going to be like the ones with the 30th anniversary.  It would have been great to get Cable's art on it or Hood running in the hallway. 
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Jeff on February 2, 2009, 11:30 PM
When does the autograph lineup start?  ;)

So where is the autograph line exactly??  ;) :-*

I'll be handling all the logistics for Scott.  When ICMG is released, just send your figures to me along with a non-refundable $25 per figure to cover the shipping/handling charge to get your figure back after Scotty signs it.  We'll even print up authentic CoAs for you!  And we're working on having Bob McGruffin (the man who played him in the movie!) sign the figure as well (for an additional $67 fee).
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: P-Siddy on February 2, 2009, 11:35 PM
Quote
Rebel Insignia (device holds top secret Rebel plans)

If Willrow is indeed a spy, you think he wouldn't advertise the fact by running through Imperial-held Cloud City with the Rebel insignia on the location of his secret plans? (sorry, stickler for detail)
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Jesse James on February 2, 2009, 11:43 PM
Can we get a photo with you, Jeff, in white short-shorts, as you handle all this "for the fans"? 
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Diddly on February 2, 2009, 11:44 PM
Do you take cash or check Jeff? Or do we have to PayPal the money to you?
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Scott on February 3, 2009, 01:27 AM
(http://www.jedidefender.com/spearson/ecg.gif)

This way to get an autographed figure!

Jeff will be handling all of my bookings through his on line autograph company (Not So Official Pix)

Also look for Jeff to sponsor a Gentle Giant Mini Bust of me that will be up for sale for about 24 months straight (shipping every day!) 
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: EpicGon on February 3, 2009, 01:39 AM
Will this Willrow Hood include his headset?

There is one thing to state: When Hasbro releases a secondary SW character, only collectors could be sure him or her would be the definitive version if the action figure comes with the most possible accesories.

And other reason to feel a toy is the definitive version is the level of accuracy in depicting the character. The scheme looks the most accurate, so Yarna and Willrow must be considered definitive.

 
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Darth_Anton on February 3, 2009, 09:14 AM
I'm sure that this will be a good figure for customizing parts.
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: David on February 3, 2009, 11:49 AM
I can't wait!!!! ;D
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Morgbug on February 3, 2009, 12:04 PM


Jeff will be handling all of my bookings through his on line autograph company (Not So Official Pix)


Can I pay directly with Crown Royal? 
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Deanpaul on February 3, 2009, 12:06 PM
******* Hasbro.  There is no way I'm buying this.  He's holding the ice cream maker in the wrong hand.  Those elitist righties couldn't handle him being a lefty.  My diorama is ruined.  Ruined!  *******.  Way to ruin a figure, Hasbro.   ;)
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Darth Broem on February 3, 2009, 11:11 PM
(http://www.jedidefender.com/spearson/ecg.gif)

This way to get an autographed figure!

Jeff will be handling all of my bookings through his on line autograph company (Not So Official Pix)

Also look for Jeff to sponsor a Gentle Giant Mini Bust of me that will be up for sale for about 24 months straight (shipping every day!) 

I love the mini bust idea!  Leave it on the front page please!
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Jesse James on February 3, 2009, 11:36 PM
And never take it down...

ever.
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Quazar on February 5, 2009, 04:49 PM
I fear this will be the next Yarna-esque pegwarmer.  Hasbro really shouldn't listen to fans.  :)

But the figure looks good and looks like absolutely outstanding custom fodder, so I'm sure I'll get 2.
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Darth_Anton on February 6, 2009, 09:19 AM
I agree and might pick up two myself.
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Morgbug on February 6, 2009, 03:38 PM
Whether it peg warms or not depends on how it is distributed, nothing more, nothing less.  Yarna, like the Mustard trooper, shipped way, way too much.  It's a cool figure, but has a distinct audience.  Willrow does too.  One per case in a shipment not at the front end of a line that ships continuously (hello wave 1) and we'll be just fine. 

I'd be happy if Hasbro didn't listen to fans though, then I wouldn't have to put up with all the dregs of Quinlan Vos cluttering stores wherever I go.   Quinlan who?   ;) :P
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Jeff on June 2, 2009, 05:28 PM
Just wanted to point out that Willrow got a plug at the end of the latest Force Cast - he's still on track for the Fall ESB wave.
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: JACKOFTRADZE on June 2, 2009, 06:47 PM
Just wanted to point out that Willrow got a plug at the end of the latest Force Cast - he's still on track for the Fall ESB wave.

AWESOME!!!
Count me in for 4-6 of him. (Seriously, I am buying 4-6 maybe more for customs.)

I hope Han Bespin makes a surprise appearance in this wave. My ideal wave would be:

ICMG
Han Bespin
Zuckuss
Luke Hoth
Captain Piett
Bespin Guard (3 variants)
Title: Re: Legacy Wave 12 - The Empire Strikes Back (Fall 2009)
Post by: Nicklab on July 22, 2009, 06:15 PM
Will have a pic of Willrow soon at JTA
Title: Re: Legacy Wave 12 - The Empire Strikes Back (Fall 2009)
Post by: JACKOFTRADZE on July 22, 2009, 06:17 PM
Will have a pic of Willrow soon at JTA

The moment we all be waiting for......for a long, long time! He debut at SDCC is truly appropriate.
Title: Re: Legacy Wave 12 - The Empire Strikes Back (Fall 2009)
Post by: Scott on July 22, 2009, 06:20 PM
Will have a pic of Willrow soon at JTA

The moment we all be waiting for......for a long, long time! He debut at SDCC is truly appropriate.
I got tons of signatures from the San Diego Fan Club Star Wars booth...tons...I bet almost half of the on line petition was from that show so I agree, it is sort of fitting to have him show up at SDCC :)
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Nicklab on July 22, 2009, 06:30 PM
Article is live (http://www.jeditemplearchives.com/content/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=4949).  Congratulations Scott!  And thanks for all of your hard work in getting to this day.
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: David on July 22, 2009, 06:55 PM
Awesome pics! ICMG looks amazing. :)
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Greg on July 22, 2009, 07:04 PM
Not a big fan of the pot-belly, but I'm happy for ya'll that wanted him. Congrats on the great results Scott! Hopefully you like it.  :P
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Rob on July 22, 2009, 07:06 PM
Greatness.
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Brian on July 22, 2009, 08:50 PM
So cool to finally see Willrow....congrats Scott.
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Scott on July 22, 2009, 09:16 PM
Someone just sent me a close up

(http://www.jedidefender.com/news/images/1-08/4527_e289909c04fce2827c216c2da6f83c7d240fed6c)
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Jeff on July 22, 2009, 09:27 PM
I still can't believe it... I never thought we'd get to this day. 
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Jayson on July 22, 2009, 09:30 PM
He's a handsome devil.  8)
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Rob on July 22, 2009, 09:54 PM
I know the clowns at a certain site think this is a stupid waste of time, but I'm really geeked up about it.  The thing that I get the most geared up to buy are background characters who haven't been made before, and this fits the bill.

Thanks Scott.
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Scott on July 23, 2009, 12:27 AM
I keep checking back to make sure I am not seeing things.  I wish Colman was around because he really kept the flame alive with Hasbro at a lot of the conventions...next up is carded pics and I really hope that October date is accurate because my family is getting Willrows for Christmas.

Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Rob on July 23, 2009, 12:38 AM
Is the actor still alive?  If so has anyone ever tried to contact him to see if he knows about this?
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: speedermike on July 23, 2009, 12:40 AM
No, but the ice cream maker is living a sweet life in northern California.
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Jeff on July 23, 2009, 12:45 AM
Is the actor still alive?  If so has anyone ever tried to contact him to see if he knows about this?

From what I have heard through the grapevine, one of the "officially licensed autograph company" types has tried to get info on this guy from LFL to track him down as part of their autographing stable.  This guy has a pile of money waiting for him and he probably doesn't even know it...  :D
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Scott on July 23, 2009, 12:45 AM
I'm not sure if anyone knows who the actor even is.  I've looked through lots of lists and I haven't really found aything.  I know the Bespin extras shots were done with the Kurtz kids as well.  I'm not sure where they occured though...which would nail a British or American extra.  I know my site is part satire about Fozec but there is some resemblence between Willrow and Fozec

(http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/starwars/images/thumb/b/bb/Willrow-hood.jpg/250px-Willrow-hood.jpg)
(http://www.nerf-herders-anonymous.net/images/fozec.jpg)
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Jayson on July 23, 2009, 12:48 AM
As ICMG he looks like Denny Green.  :D
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Jeff on July 23, 2009, 01:04 AM
(http://www.jedidefender.com/news/images/7-09/WILLROW.jpg)
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: JesseVader08 on July 23, 2009, 01:23 AM
Fantastic.   8)
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Diddly on July 23, 2009, 01:31 AM
He even has customizing potential for more generic civilians! I love it. :D
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Master_Phruby on July 23, 2009, 01:34 AM
Congratulations Scott! It was a long road but it finally happened.
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Darth Broem on July 23, 2009, 01:36 AM
I love the figure.  It looks great! 
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: evenflow on July 23, 2009, 02:06 AM
(http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l59/evenflow666/HPIM0505.jpg)


Here' the one i took
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Jesse James on July 23, 2009, 03:29 AM
I said this in the wave's thread, but I'll say it here.

I wish we saw some kind of "nod" to Scott from elsewhere...  I've seen things like, "the figure fans thought would never get done", but no mention of the guy that ultimately got it accomplished through persistance.  It's just my opinion but I really think Scott deserves a nod for getting a figure accomplished that he wanted to see made.

That's a much more huge thing in this hobby than some folks are crediting it for.  It's not been a common thing, especially with obscurity.
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Darby on July 23, 2009, 10:53 AM
Congrats Scott!   ;D

I have to say I'm impressed with the outcome. 
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: jedi_master_sal on July 23, 2009, 12:33 PM
He's slightly portly...lol.

Good fig, glad we're finally getting him. I'm sold. Maybe get a couple extras for customs.
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Rob on July 23, 2009, 12:38 PM
He's slightly portly...lol.

When his city was under order of evacuation, the only thing he bothered to save was his ice cream maker.

Of course he's portly.
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: jedi_master_sal on July 23, 2009, 12:47 PM
He's slightly portly...lol.

When his city was under order of evacuation, the only thing he bothered to save was his ice cream maker.

Of course he's portly.

Heh heh, true enough. Nothing comes between a man and his cream, ice cream that is...  ::)
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Matt on July 23, 2009, 12:58 PM
You guys see these yet?  (Click for full-size)

(http://i26.tinypic.com/iep2tj.jpg) (http://www.jeditemplearchives.com/swexperience/sdcc09/july22/hasbro/images/01hasbrobasic-071.jpg) (http://i32.tinypic.com/30t5qg3.jpg) (http://www.jeditemplearchives.com/swexperience/sdcc09/july22/hasbro/images/01hasbrobasic-070.jpg)
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Jayson on July 23, 2009, 12:59 PM
Mmm.... butterscotch ICMG  :D
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: DSJ™ on July 23, 2009, 01:06 PM
Ice Cream, get your Ice Cream Maker Guy.  ;D

I don't collect modern anymore but I have to have this, just because.  ;)

A dream come true, nicely done Scott.   (http://www.cheesebuerger.de/images/midi/froehlich/d028.gif)
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Matt on July 23, 2009, 01:19 PM
(http://i31.tinypic.com/t8s2eh.jpg)
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Rob on July 23, 2009, 01:21 PM
Maybe it's time for a website update.

http://www.geocities.com/ocb75/

Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: speedermike on July 23, 2009, 02:12 PM
Wow...that face looks a lot like Chuck Berry!!  The hair, the stash and the high cheek bones!

"and he carried his ice cream maker in a gunny sack..."
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: jedipurge on July 23, 2009, 04:45 PM
It kind of is too bad that he "portly" otherwise he make good custom for Xwingers lounging around without all the gear.  Kinda like Luke when he's talking to 21B b4 he leaves the med. in ESB.
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: CHEWIE on July 23, 2009, 05:07 PM
It kind of is too bad that he "portly" otherwise he make good custom for Xwingers lounging around without all the gear.  Kinda like Luke when he's talking to 21B b4 he leaves the med. in ESB.

I was thinking that too, a bit of a shame - would have probably gotten several of these if not for the gut... maybe Porkins as a teenage pilot.   :P
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: P-Siddy on July 23, 2009, 08:41 PM
So where does the official signing line start, Scott?
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: iFett on July 23, 2009, 08:52 PM
So where does the official signing line start, Scott?

Was thinking of that too.  I'm done with carded figures, but Willrow will be my last and it must be signed by the maker!   :)
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Matt R. on July 23, 2009, 10:47 PM
Congrats, Scott.  Figure turn out great  8)

So what is next ?
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Carpeteria3000 on July 23, 2009, 11:05 PM
That thing is bitchin'. Well done, Scott. I hope he's easy to locate on the pegs....
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: iFett on July 23, 2009, 11:12 PM
That thing is bitchin'. Well done, Scott. I hope he's easy to locate on the pegs....

I don't think that will be the problem whatsoever and you're probably being sarcastic, but I'm just glad Scott is spot in the shade with Hasbro.   8)    Congrats!  -  again
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: JediJman on July 23, 2009, 11:53 PM
Congrats on finally seeing this materialize Scott.  That's got to feel good.   ;D
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: CorranHorn on July 24, 2009, 01:41 PM
Congrats Scott on getting your vision realized. My question for you though is, will you give Willrow a ice cream scoop to hold in his right hand? :)
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Jayson on July 24, 2009, 02:19 PM
Willrow Hood received a round of applause in the Hasbro Presentation and the presenter said "Please buy this figure"
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Dressel Rebel on July 24, 2009, 03:28 PM
That thing is bitchin'. Well done, Scott. I hope he's easy to locate on the pegs....

Oh I don't think that will be an issue.

Unless you consider Yarna a tough find.
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: jedipurge on July 24, 2009, 04:42 PM
It kind of is too bad that he "portly" otherwise he make good custom for Xwingers lounging around without all the gear.  Kinda like Luke when he's talking to 21B b4 he leaves the med. in ESB.

I was thinking that too, a bit of a shame - would have probably gotten several of these if not for the gut... maybe Porkins as a teenage pilot.   :P

At least the arms might be useful for a gloveless version.  I think there's a promo pic of Luke from ESB of him on Dago in the flight suit in front of downed xwing without gloves on
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Keonobi on July 24, 2009, 05:17 PM
I'm not a buy ever figure kind of collector, but I'm definitely buying Willrow.
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Ryan on July 24, 2009, 08:11 PM
I don't think I've said it here yet, so Congrats again Scott! I'm so happy for you that all of your hard work and persistence paid off. You deserved this. I hope you don't end up with carpal tunnel syndrome from signing so many of these figures. ;)

I know I plan on picking up at least three. I've got a place ready for him in my Bespin display,, plus I'd like one carded version, and a carded version with Scott's John Hancock. And I might grab a few more for customs. The figure looks great.

Personally I don't expect Willrow will be a pegwarmer at all. I'd bet he'll be shortpacked and will be more difficult to find than a lot of people are expecting. I think Hasbro would have learned from Yarna.
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Morgbug on July 25, 2009, 02:49 PM
That thing is bitchin'. Well done, Scott. I hope he's easy to locate on the pegs....

Oh I don't think that will be an issue.

Unless you consider Yarna a tough find.

I think that's accurate, but I could care less.  I'm ecstatic to get Yarna (I can still find 'first day of release' Yarna's btw) but absolutely over the top with Willrow.  The efforts of Scott and Matt have finally paid off, so congrats to both of you and of course especially to Scott.  The naysayers can suck eggs and go buy another rainbow clone to console themselves. 

I'll be down for a Vikings game in November Scott and I want mine signed (I'll bring you a Canadian carded version).
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Rob on July 25, 2009, 03:05 PM
I'm going to go ahead and guess that Hasbro knows what happened with Yarna and that they're going to reduce the quantities of Willrow accordingly.
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Matt_Fury on July 25, 2009, 04:26 PM
I don't think I've said it here yet, so Congrats again Scott! I'm so happy for you that all of your hard work and persistence paid off. You deserved this. I hope you don't end up with carpal tunnel syndrome from signing so many of these figures. ;)

Speaking of which....we need to finalize a plan for this.
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: P-Siddy on July 25, 2009, 04:42 PM
Does JD offer a good insurance plan to cover that?  ;D
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Jesse James on July 25, 2009, 05:22 PM
I'm going to go ahead and guess that Hasbro knows what happened with Yarna and that they're going to reduce the quantities of Willrow accordingly.

You'd be in the vast minority if you checked out the threads on this at otheR Sites.  ::)  The bitching and moaning out there is sad.

I like the, "All you who wanted this had better pony up and buy all that you see", and other asshat comments similar to that.

Where's that kind of anger over Brainiac?  He's a pegwarmer near me...  Or how about the Spacetrooper, who is pretty easily available anywhere here too?   

People are so sad in this hobby at times, that it's embarassing to be in it.  People cannot seem to be simply happy someone actually got Hasbro to pay attention and make an obscure background character.  This should be good news for everyone, that they'll try to appease the fan base like that.

Then again most of the people bitching probably started collecting around 2002, and just would rather have a clone repaint, or the Sith Of the Month figure done.
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Nicklab on July 25, 2009, 07:40 PM

I'm going to go ahead and guess that Hasbro knows what happened with Yarna and that they're going to reduce the quantities of Willrow accordingly.

That is precisely what I heard from Hasbro in their booth.  They are painfully aware of the Yarna situation and are taking measures so that we don't have another such situation again with a collector targetted figure.

Production numbers for Yarna were determined around January of 2008, which was a full 6 months before the economy began to tank.  When that happened, collector demand diminished in a big way, and that in part led to so many Yarna's becoming such pegwarmers.
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Matt_Fury on July 25, 2009, 08:47 PM
Yarna's the perfect example of a figure that should be packed one per case.  I expect that with Willrow.
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Darth Broem on July 25, 2009, 09:44 PM

I'm going to go ahead and guess that Hasbro knows what happened with Yarna and that they're going to reduce the quantities of Willrow accordingly.

That is precisely what I heard from Hasbro in their booth.  They are painfully aware of the Yarna situation and are taking measures so that we don't have another such situation again with a collector targetted figure.

Production numbers for Yarna were determined around January of 2008, which was a full 6 months before the economy began to tank.  When that happened, collector demand diminished in a big way, and that in part led to so many Yarna's becoming such pegwarmers.

That and it's...Yarna. 
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Jayson on July 25, 2009, 09:50 PM
Yarna is a weird example of a peg warmer because the first TLC waves last year had to be produced in larger quantities due to the official TLC launch. The "collector" market bought her right out of the gate because they/we knew her history, the modern day collector didn't appreciate the fact that certain figures were developed for the vintage Kenner line but never made it past the prototype stage.

I believe that Willrow Hood won't receive Yarna's pegwarming status do to the fact that he'll be produced in far fewer numbers and he probably won't be slotted in revision cases like Yarna was.
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Morgbug on July 25, 2009, 10:28 PM
I'm still waiting on the PT fans to snap up the 42 mustard troopers at my local TRU.  They weren't totally obscure background characters.
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Jesse James on July 25, 2009, 10:43 PM
If they were cheap, I would.  I liked the techies for Naboo.  Never got as many as I wanted, but then again I never saw them on sale really.  I think I got a couple reds on sale, but never the yellow. 

It sold well, here, actually.  The yellow sat longer, but the red was gone fairly fast.  I was shocked.
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Diddly on July 25, 2009, 11:42 PM
Heck, I'm still waiting for the Willrow haters to snag all of the Quinlan Vos figures. You know, the #1 most wanted figure in the Fan's Choice poll?
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: P-Siddy on July 25, 2009, 11:47 PM
Wasn't Yarna some other site's choice figure? I guess they aren't buying up their favorite gal in bunches.
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: DoctorPadawan on July 26, 2009, 02:51 PM
First of all, congrats once again to Scott on Willrow finally getting made.  I know that us fans can be (and often are) a contentious bunch, so I know it has to be fulfilling to see something you care about so much come to fruition.  So, again, congrats Scott, and I know I'll be buying a second one for an autograph if you decide to go that route.  ;)

That is precisely what I heard from Hasbro in their booth.  They are painfully aware of the Yarna situation and are taking measures so that we don't have another such situation again with a collector targetted figure.

The problem now is that, at least in my neck of the woods, there is such a glut of figures like Yarna (who is, admittedly, Pegwarmer of the Year, but around here, not by as large a margin as in other areas), Bail Organa, Breha Organa, Ak Rev, and Stass Allie, that it's keeping newer figures from actually reaching the shelves.  As I've belabored and moaned about so many times before, the ONLY TLC figures my local Target has or has had since prior to Christmas 2008 is Yarna, Bail, Breha, and Allie, and then it's at least 5-10 of each of those figures.  There is no room on the pegs for any new TLC figures at all.  TRU has about 10 Yarnas and 5 Ak Revs for TLC and that's it.  No new TLC has arrived since wave 4 back in March.  Wal-Mart, believe it or not, is doing fairly better, although one WM STILL has 15 Jerjerrods from 2006 hanging on the pegs, now at higher than original price.

I really think that Hasbro needs to do another "return for store credit" move like they did in 1999 and 2002 where they send out the reps, box up all those Yarnas, Organas, and (at least here) Jerjerrods, and switch them out for newer figures.  Because, in all honesty, if those figures haven't moved an inch in the last 12 months (or 36 months, as the case may be with Jerjerrod), they aren't going to move at all.

Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Scott on July 26, 2009, 10:13 PM
Thanks again to everyone for all of the kind words.  As I have said a few times, it is almost surreal.  I can guarantee that Willrow will not pegwarm in Minnesota.  I plan on buying at least 20+ myself...I'd really to get a prototype if one pops up let me know

The vitriol at the other sites really doesn't bother me because most of the other sites are full of johnny come latelies who haven't been posting on the boards since the old Tomart days.  If you know what ISE is you get Ice Cream Maker Guy and why it is so cool that is happened.  If you know that the Rebelscum forums and the BHC before it were once my home you get Willrow. 

I really hope he is out before Christmas :)
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Matt on July 26, 2009, 10:55 PM
...I'd really to get a prototype if one pops up let me know

And you thought I was the English genius?
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Sprry75 on July 27, 2009, 12:30 AM
Maybe it's time for a website update.

http://www.geocities.com/ocb75/



I hope not.  That's classic just the way it is (although a working link to and/or scan of the original Decipher card might be nice).

This one (http://www.jedidefender.com/lobotsdup/), on the other hand, could use a touch-up.
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Scott on July 27, 2009, 12:37 AM
...I'd really to get a prototype if one pops up let me know

And you thought I was the English genius?
I never claimed to be ::)
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Matt on July 27, 2009, 12:58 AM
This one (http://www.jedidefender.com/lobotsdup/), on the other hand, could use a touch-up.

With all of the new Lobot memorabilia that has flooded the market since Fall 2003, I've barely had enough time to even get it all archived into the collection, much less update the website with it.  Once it slows down, though, I'm all over it.  I promise, it'll once again be the best Lobot fan site on the internet, bar none.  Your patience, is all I ask.

I never claimed to be ::)

I updated a three year old thread on the unofficial Wilco fan boards tonight (http://forums.viachicago.org/topic/23230-new-star-wars-fan-choice-figure-revealed/page__view__findpost__p__1352017) with news of Willrow, where I mentioned you by name, and this is the thanks I get?  A stupid rolleyes smiley?  You'd think that after your lifelong dream has finally come true, you'd be a little bit less of a dick to people who helped make it happen, but I guess not.
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Scott on July 27, 2009, 01:03 AM
You are right...thanks to the following:

Matt Colman
Philip Wise
Gregg McCaul
SirSteve's Cousin Steve
Jango Fettish
The guy who made up the lame EU Willrow Hood Story
Matt (I forgot your last name)

Better  ::)
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Matt on July 27, 2009, 01:08 AM
You are right...thanks to the following:

Matt Colman
Philip Wise
Gregg McCaul
SirSteve's Cousin Steve
Jango Fettish
The guy who made up the lame EU Willrow Hood Story
Matt (I forgot your last name)

Better  ::)

Not really, no.  I'm only buying twelve Willrows now, instead of the seventeen I originally planned on.
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Scott on July 27, 2009, 01:17 AM
Well, 5 lucky kids will now be able to buy them for the next 20 years at your local OkieMart.  So I thank you for thinking of them
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Matt on July 27, 2009, 01:26 AM
Well, 5 lucky kids will now be able to buy them for the next 20 years at your local OkieMart.  So I thank you for thinking of them

And I thank you on their behalf for making it all possible to begin with.
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Scott on July 27, 2009, 01:43 AM
I've been thinking this weekend about something we discussed a few months ago.  And that is if anyone thinks the community could get behind something like this again?

I personally think there are two

(http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/starwars/images/b/ba/Ackmena1.jpg)
(http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/starwars/images/8/81/Tonnika1.jpg)

Ackmena is sort of a Willrow type character in that she has some humor involved.  The whole Golden Girl thing and all that jazz.  She is also very polarizing in that many people don't see the point.

The Tonnikas IMO are essential background Cantina figures who have some good screen time...they have ranked high on many people's wishlists since the late 90's and the whole mystery behind them makes them an easy target for repeated begging.  The petition deal was lame in 2002 but it worked.  THese days with the Tweeting and Facebooks, there is probably a much easier way to get it to happen.  My campaigning days are done.  I can consult though for a rather hefty fee :-*

Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Darth_Anton on July 27, 2009, 11:15 AM
This figure could peg warm, but he certainly has many more usable parts for customs.
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Carpeteria3000 on July 29, 2009, 03:29 PM
Forget new figure petitions - I say go for an ICMG Lego figure now.
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Keonobi on July 29, 2009, 04:24 PM
Forget new figure petitions - I say go for an ICMG Lego figure now.

Neverwork, they don't make "portly" LEGOs.
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: David on July 29, 2009, 05:04 PM
How about Lee Phenets the Human Ugnaught? :D

(http://www.starwars.jp/databank/character/image/lee_phenets.jpg)
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Nicklab on July 29, 2009, 05:22 PM
This figure could peg warm, but he certainly has many more usable parts for customs.

Based on Hasbro's statements about the lessons learned from Yarna, I think that's less than likely.  I can see ICMG being about as scarce as Tarados Gon or Concept Anakin.
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Adam_Pawlus on July 29, 2009, 06:52 PM
Ackmeena is pretty unlikely to happen with the current mentality from Hasbro/Lucas-- the Holiday Special's stigma is something they don't like too much.  Of course, with a Fan's Choice poll, if she wins?  She'll probably get made.   But I wouldn't expect it in the next 3-4 years, and even in 4 years, I'd probably say you need to start another ICMG-style campaign and start it yesterday.

The Tonnika sisters have nothing to do with Hasbro preferences and everything to do with legal mumbo jumbo.  That's probably why we're getting Leesub Sirln, which pretty much nobody asked for (or can spot on film), rather than the sisters, which I think have been customized and asked for pretty regularly since 1996/1997.   I've been told that Hasbro wants to do them, so really, at this point you probably just need to beg Lucasfilm to iron out the wrinkles or convince Dark Horse (or Del Rey) to include the characters or similar lookalikes (let's go for quads!) to get them out there.  Or, again, vote on it and be disappointed when Hasbro says "uh, we can't do that one, srykthxbye."
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: JACKOFTRADZE on July 29, 2009, 07:10 PM
Before any of these happen we have to buy the **** out of ICMG in order to help alleviate some Hasbro fears that he will be another Yarna. If he peg warms kiss the really obscure goodbye.

As Adam pointed out Lucasfilm is the one that is saying no to the sisters being made. That may change since one of them died. It would be nice that the other release the rights upon her death. >:D
I do not get why people are not satisfied with the grim reality of these being off limits.

Ackmena should be our new ICMG. Bea ruled! I think she has a shot so long as she ranks somewhat strong in the Fan's choice poll and the ICMG does not become Yarna 2.0. I plan on buying 10-15 Willrow for customs/gifts. Maybe more.

So step up people when you see him, he is the key to the next true Fan figure! Buy at least 3 of him.

The current "Fan" poll is mostly made up of characters that they would get to anyway, at least 50%. ICMG and Yarna, in my opinion, are the caliber of what that poll should be about and the kind of obscure characters that should be made.

If they are that worried sell a Holiday Special Battle Pack with core characters:
Smiley X-Wing Luke with eyeshadow
Debut Boba Fett
Ackmena
Chewbacca with soft goods red Wookie cult garb.

The above proposed Battle Pack set has it all:
- 3 redeco's and one new sculpt. (Cost efficient!)
-3 Kid focused characters (Satisfies both audiences!)

How could it fail?
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Scott on July 29, 2009, 09:07 PM
Just looking at the Jedi Wave carded pics...for everyone belly aching about potential pegwarming must not have been around for the Winter of 98-99...

(http://www.rocketfettscollection.com/potf2figs/malakiligcff.jpg)

Bets on a repeat?

(http://jediinsider.net/g/generated/Hasbro/Droid_Factory/Wave_4/Maklakili_01__scaled_600.jpg)
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: CorranHorn on July 29, 2009, 11:41 PM
As Adam pointed out Lucasfilm is the one that is saying no to the sisters being made. That may change since one of them died. It would be nice that the other release the rights upon her death. >:D
I do not get why people are not satisfied with the grim reality of these being off limits.

People are not satisfied because the issue of likeness can be easily worked around as I mentioned in a previous discussion on the topic (not to stray away from the Willrow Hood topic, but this deserves an answer I think)...

I'm of the thinking that these are still valid choices to suggest as Hasbro could still make these figures IF they were not to use the likenesses of the actresses. The headsculpts and any packaging material can be made such that they do not look like the actresses - we know Hasbro already does this as many times the headsculpts don't match the actors and they use stylized imagery for their packaging. Unless Lucasfilm puts the kabosh on this, I don't see any reason for Hasbro not making the figures so long as they don't resemble the actresses that played the characters. In fact you can go one step further, in EU the two women we see in the Cantina have been established as NOT being the Tonnika Sisters, but instead members of the Mistryl Shadow Guard. So in essence Hasbro could create a new look facial look for the sisters with the proper explanation in the bio.

It's doable, but Hasbro pretty much has their panties in a bunch regarding this, so a much desired pair of figures is left to apparently never be done. Meanwhile we got the re-sculpt no one wanted in the form of one of the biggest pegwarmers from the vintage AND modern eras. I'm not taking Scott's bet, I'm SURE that the Rancor Keeper if produced in standard numbers will be pegwarming in the same fashion as Saesee Tiin and Breha Organa.

Willrow Hood on the other hand if not produced in standard numbers, which is quite possible, I believe will not be readily available after the first month or two of full retail distribution. Similar to the Concept Anakin right now, I can find every other AOTC wave figure easily but not that figure, or the 30AC McQuarries of 07.
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: CHEWIE on July 30, 2009, 01:53 AM
Just looking at the Jedi Wave carded pics...for everyone belly aching about potential pegwarming must not have been around for the Winter of 98-99...

(http://www.rocketfettscollection.com/potf2figs/malakiligcff.jpg)

Bets on a repeat?

(http://jediinsider.net/g/generated/Hasbro/Droid_Factory/Wave_4/Maklakili_01__scaled_600.jpg)

I don't think it will be quite as bad as what we saw back then, but who knows.  I was still seeing some of those on the pegs during the POTJ era...

At least this new one has a B.A.D. part, and is 100% better quality than the POTF2 version.  Great sculpt, articulation, removable hood, etc.  Will make for a great shirtless Porkins custom someday too, or even of Wuher stripping down in the cantina.
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Adam_Pawlus on July 30, 2009, 02:22 AM
People are not satisfied because the issue of likeness can be easily worked around as I mentioned in a previous discussion on the topic (not to stray away from the Willrow Hood topic, but this deserves an answer I think)...

I'm of the thinking that these are still valid choices to suggest as Hasbro could still make these figures IF they were not to use the likenesses of the actresses. The headsculpts and any packaging material can be made such that they do not look like the actresses - we know Hasbro already does this as many times the headsculpts don't match the actors and they use stylized imagery for their packaging. Unless Lucasfilm puts the kabosh on this, I don't see any reason for Hasbro not making the figures so long as they don't resemble the actresses that played the characters. In fact you can go one step further, in EU the two women we see in the Cantina have been established as NOT being the Tonnika Sisters, but instead members of the Mistryl Shadow Guard. So in essence Hasbro could create a new look facial look for the sisters with the proper explanation in the bio.

IANAL, but let's look at the line over the years.  Likeness isn't necessarily about quality-- there's a fine line and after talking to toy companies, I'm still trying to figure it out.  Brick figures (Kubricks, Minimates) seem to be "parody" because there's no nose and there's a vague resemblance to an actual human being.  As such, there are Madonna Minimates based on <i>Desperately Seeking Susan</i>-- and no other licensed figural goods.  The vintage Kenner figure line required likenesses for its toys, despite the fact that none of the Han Solos really looked a damn thing like Harrison Ford.  (For that matter, R2-D2 didn't really either.)

The problem really is how sufficiently different would they need to be to be toys that a jury wouldn't rule against the starving actress' estate and for Lucas?  There's a potential PR issue here too.   At this point this is really the only Cantina character I'm really jonesing to get-- partially because Galoob made a micro Action Fleet figure before the doo-doo hit the fan-- so I'd love to see it, support it in a poll (even over Vlix), etc.   These two would make a lot of fans happy, but at the same time, the very real cost associated with potential likeness issues   Just because it isn't perfect doesn't mean that it isn't close enough to be a problem, and I can't imagine that the suits at Lucas and Hasbro would be willing to risk the ire of the media or anyone's estate just to make one more action figure when they could just as easily crank out another obscure cantina alien which would likely sell just as well, if not better.

While I'm no fan of copyright infringement, a lot of companies have sprang up in Asia making high-quality unlicensed add-ons for LEGO toys, Transformers, etc.  Perhaps it's time someone in the USA do a limited run figure kit that uses none of the trademarks or images but would provide an adequate substitute... after consulting their attorneys, of course.
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Carpeteria3000 on July 30, 2009, 10:13 AM
Will make for a great shirtless Porkins custom someday too, or even of Wuher stripping down in the cantina.

I really hope that's a joke.
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Darth_Anton on July 30, 2009, 11:25 AM
Just looking at the Jedi Wave carded pics...for everyone belly aching about potential pegwarming must not have been around for the Winter of 98-99...

(http://www.rocketfettscollection.com/potf2figs/malakiligcff.jpg)

Bets on a repeat?


You can actually still find him on the pegs at Rite-Aid around here. $12.99.
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: jedi_master_sal on July 30, 2009, 03:58 PM
I'd like to see a pic of that! LOL  ::)
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: JACKOFTRADZE on July 30, 2009, 05:30 PM
You can actually still find him on the pegs at Rite-Aid around here. $12.99.

Along with the 8D8 & Ugnaught 2pk in my home state of NJ(Philly area). I was last month and they had those 2 figures at Rite-Aid. They survived the height of SW collecting in 2005-2007, no one wanted them. I wonder how many more years they will collect dust next to the colorful water guns & balloons..

So Willrow and Rancor Keeper are coming to a warm peg near you! Willrow has a shot but Rancor Keeper? Man, Legacy is in for a world of hurt with this fat guy figure. They should have waited and included him with the Rancor or a Battle Pack.
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Kendo Benobi on August 1, 2009, 10:22 AM


So step up people when you see him, he is the key to the next true Fan figure! Buy at least 3 of him.



I plan on doing just that. Hasbro gave us what we wanted and we owe it to them to support them. If I see one on the pegs, I am going to buy it and give it to a kid who might not otherwise be able to afford it. It's the least I can do to keep the hobby I've had for 30 years going.
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Greg on August 1, 2009, 11:09 AM

I plan on doing just that. Hasbro gave us what we wanted and we owe it to them to support them. If I see one on the pegs, I am going to buy it and give it to a kid who might not otherwise be able to afford it. It's the least I can do to keep the hobby I've had for 30 years going.

Just don't tell that kid that you saw a Vader/Anakin or Clone Trooper on the pegs at the same time. He'd probably be angered by your character choice. I'm hoping that Wilrow (and Rancor Keeper) sell well so Hasbro will continue to release fan favorite background characters. I'll do my part and buy Wilrow, but mostly as a gag figure. I think I'm most excited to read the card bio for this guy. That should be interesting.
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Greg on August 1, 2009, 11:13 AM
Forget new figure petitions - I say go for an ICMG Lego figure now.

Neverwork, they don't make "portly" LEGOs.

The new Toy Story Legos have some special body parts (long legs, Buzz Lightyear body, sculpted heands) so maybe the "portly" figure isn't too out of the question. TLG could even use it for other fine characters such as Porkins and Dexter Jetster. I say go for it!
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: CHEWIE on August 6, 2009, 02:40 PM
I figured this might be appreciated here, courtesy of Niktom -

(http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j210/niktomchuck/Yaks%20Pub%20July%202009/7-3-09a.jpg)

(http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j210/niktomchuck/Yaks%20Pub%20July%202009/7-3-09b.jpg)
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Carpeteria3000 on August 6, 2009, 10:40 PM
That's funny. Not enough shirtless action figures, though, IMO.
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Jeff on August 26, 2009, 01:22 AM
(http://www.jedidefender.com/news/images/8-09/willrow_loose.jpg)
(http://www.jedidefender.com/news/images/8-09/willrow_carded.jpg)
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Jesse James on August 26, 2009, 01:26 AM
I love his serious looking card image.  :)

Gold ink on the bubble, or black ink on the card?  ??? Hmmm....
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Scott on August 26, 2009, 01:32 AM
I still can't believe this is happening ;D
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Rob on August 26, 2009, 01:51 AM
I think Hasbro should take the carded image with the watermark and burn the JD URL into their actual packaging. 
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Scott on August 26, 2009, 01:57 AM
(http://www.jedidefender.com/news/images/2-03/icmgcustom2.jpg)

Most of my customs that get made get retired to my kids.  Willrow's brother Willrow will still be on my shelf
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Darth_Anton on August 26, 2009, 10:31 AM
Wait. Is that Neil Degrasse Tyson?

(http://newyork.timeout.com/export_images/588/588.x231.around.museums.jpg)


Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: jedi_master_sal on August 26, 2009, 02:10 PM
If not, it should be, lol. Ice cream maker to the stars....heh heh.
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: CHEWIE on August 26, 2009, 04:17 PM
I think the figure's face looks a lot better than the card art myself, and is a better representation of the character... and the figure really does look damn good.  It's odd they didn't paint his belt though.
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Scott on August 26, 2009, 06:34 PM
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_HKrAtlN653s/SoO1yljLCdI/AAAAAAAAAbc/YtJsBnhkT2w/s320/Willrow-hood.jpg)

It is sort of hard to tell if the he is even wearing a belt
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: JACKOFTRADZE on August 26, 2009, 09:25 PM
After close inspection of the DVD he did not have a belt so the figure is accurate. This figure is going to be great for making a lot of out of shape Aliens.
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Scott on September 2, 2009, 05:35 PM
Pegwarmer?

http://www.bigbadtoystore.com/bbts/product.aspx?product=HAS17814&mode=retail
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Dressel Rebel on September 2, 2009, 05:57 PM
Pegwarmer?

http://www.bigbadtoystore.com/bbts/product.aspx?product=HAS17814&mode=retail

I don't think it's proof that something isn't a pegwarmer when it hasn't even hit the pegs yet.
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: CHEWIE on September 2, 2009, 06:50 PM
After close inspection of the DVD he did not have a belt so the figure is accurate. This figure is going to be great for making a lot of out of shape Aliens.

If the DVD shows he doesn't have a belt, but there's one sculpted on the figure (just not painted), how is it accurate?
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Keonobi on September 2, 2009, 06:54 PM
It looks to me, in the movie, that he does have a belt, its just one of those "old guy, same color as the leisure suit" type of belts.  So it is accurate to the movie.  IIRC on the first page of this thread there is a clip that shows it.
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: jono on September 3, 2009, 06:14 AM
willrow is looking good. I don't think we should blame Hasbro or factory for not painting it. After viewing that footage again it's pretty subliminal.

Great figure. Ice cream for everyone!
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Morgbug on September 4, 2009, 02:21 PM
Pegwarmer?

http://www.bigbadtoystore.com/bbts/product.aspx?product=HAS17814&mode=retail

Dude, it doesn't count if your family buys up all the online stock  ;)
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Morgbug on September 11, 2009, 04:30 PM
Back in stock at BBTS  ;)
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Morgbug on September 13, 2009, 12:29 AM
Hmmm, maybe I need to buy one there.  Apparently Hasbro Canada has cancelled the Legacy line in Canada for the next while.  Yay.  ::)
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Jabba the Slug on September 23, 2009, 01:52 AM
Good figure - alas, he's out!  ;D

However, Hasbro SHOULD limit IMMG quantities ... I still have that itching feeling he'll be a pegwarmer. Maybe not a YARNA, but not an instant seller for some people, either... 
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Morgbug on October 28, 2009, 02:17 PM
So where's my picture of Scott holding his carded Willrow replete with the **** eating grin on Scott's mug?  I want to thank that maker. 
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: JediJman on October 28, 2009, 03:40 PM
Good figure - alas, he's out!  ;D

However, Hasbro SHOULD limit IMMG quantities ... I still have that itching feeling he'll be a pegwarmer. Maybe not a YARNA, but not an instant seller for some people, either... 

I'll be surprised to see anything as a pegwarmer the way figs have been shipping lately. 
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Jabba the Slug on October 28, 2009, 05:32 PM
Good figure - alas, he's out!  ;D

However, Hasbro SHOULD limit IMMG quantities ... I still have that itching feeling he'll be a pegwarmer. Maybe not a YARNA, but not an instant seller for some people, either... 

I'll be surprised to see anything as a pegwarmer the way figs have been shipping lately. 

Hmm ... good point ...  ;)
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: stan on October 28, 2009, 11:23 PM
This figure is awesome and great background  character.  I just got this figure with rest of the  second half ESB wave. Great wave overall!!!!
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Jabba the Slug on October 29, 2009, 12:48 AM
This figure is awesome and great background  character.  I just got this figure with rest of the  second half ESB wave. Great wave overall!!!!

Whattaya say on the AT-AT driver?? I dunno if I should buy him or not ...
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: stan on October 29, 2009, 08:37 PM
Hey Jabba, the At-At Driver is great as well and defintely a great upgrade from the previous version!! I say buy as least two ; you never know we might get a BMF At-At sometimes in the future!!!!!
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Scott on October 29, 2009, 11:59 PM
(http://www.jedidefender.com/spearson/Willrow_Hood/Willrow_240x100.jpg) (http://www.jedidefender.com/icmg.php)

The day we all here at JediDefender thought would never come, came true!  Today we celebrate the release of the Ice Cream Maker Guy, Willrow Hood.  Read on for a special feature (http://www.jedidefender.com/icmg.php) showcasing the greatest figure in Star Wars history!
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Jesse James on October 30, 2009, 12:39 AM
Run you fat Bespin Bastard, run.
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: JesseVader08 on October 30, 2009, 12:46 AM
Kickass writeup Scott!  It's great to see the figure you wanted so badly was executed so well.   8)
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: CHEWIE on October 30, 2009, 12:52 AM
Nice article, and congrats Scott.
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: P-Siddy on October 30, 2009, 12:54 AM
Congrats, Scott! Glad to see the Maker immortalized in glorious plastic! Thanks for getting him done (and to the others who help as well).

Now, we need to get our local group to have an Ice Cream social soon.  ;)
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Jesse James on October 30, 2009, 12:59 AM
Kickass writeup Scott!  It's great to see the figure you wanted so badly was executed so well.   8)

Agreed, the figure's incredibly well done.  Nice sculpting details to the jumpsuit, the belt, the accessory...  I thought the detail of the headsculpt really won it though.  It's quite accurate.

Maybe you can track down the sculptor someday on that one.  Get an autograph for yourself on it, and maybe auto one for him too.
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Jayson on October 30, 2009, 01:05 AM
Again, congrats Scott! I can't even begin to imagine the joy and excitement you must be feeling actually having a fully LFL/Hasbro sanctioned ICMG in your hands.
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Darth Broem on October 30, 2009, 01:52 AM
Congrats! Yes, it was a fun write-up as well.  I am looking forward to seeing Willrow in the stores soon  ;D
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: DSJ™ on October 30, 2009, 04:51 AM
Awesome write up Scott, congrats again man.   :)

Now how's about a Willrow Kuby.  ;)   ;D
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Dan on October 30, 2009, 09:42 AM
Great write-up Scott, and way to go for seeing it through. That's a pretty nifty bit of work on Hasbro's part as well.

Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Darby on October 30, 2009, 09:48 AM
Very nice, Scott.  Congrats!  Nothing is impossible!
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Greg on October 30, 2009, 12:16 PM
Scott, that was a very enjoyable read. It's awesome that just a few fans were able to get enough popularity for an otherwise boring character and to ultimately get an action figure released. This will be one BAD that I will pick up for sure. 
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Rob on October 30, 2009, 02:00 PM
Congrats again Scott.  I can't wait to get my hands on one of these.
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Paul on October 30, 2009, 07:49 PM
Congrats Scott..now let's find that Actor and let's get one autographed.
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Matt_Fury on October 30, 2009, 09:31 PM
The only autograph I want on mine is Scott's.

Congratulations Scott!
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: David on October 30, 2009, 10:35 PM
AWESOME. 8)
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: jadesfire on October 31, 2009, 09:14 AM
The only autograph I want on mine is Scott's.

Congratulations Scott!

Same here!! Congrats Scott!!  :D
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Darth_Anton on October 31, 2009, 11:15 AM
It is quite a feat. Congratulations.
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Mikey D on November 2, 2009, 07:54 AM
Congrats again Scott and well deserved.  Mr. Hood will be my first non-astromech purchase in years.
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Angry Ewok on November 2, 2009, 09:06 AM
I absolutely cannot wait to get my autographed MOC. Do you accept PayPal?
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: LandotheScoundrel on November 2, 2009, 11:09 AM
That was awesome, Scott. Congrats!!!  8)
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Brian on November 2, 2009, 11:17 AM
Great write up Scott, and congratulations again.  It is so cool to see this happening, and to see that your campaign paid off.  I can't wait to add a couple to the collection :).
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Darth_Anton on November 3, 2009, 09:05 AM
The only thing that would make it better is if Scott got a cut of each ICMG sold.
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: BillCable on November 6, 2009, 07:59 AM
So... think it's about time to pull down the petition?   ;)
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Jabba the Slug on November 9, 2009, 12:59 PM
So... think it's about time to pull down the petition?   ;)

Man oh man that petition icon has become a part of what makes the Jedidefender homepage.
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Morgbug on November 10, 2009, 01:15 PM
We're a little slow at getting Toyfare magazine up here, but when I flipped it open today and saw Willrow in there it certainly brought a smile to my face.  I'd love to see some more acknowledgement of where it came from and how it came about, but perhaps in time.  Again, congrats Scott.   :)
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Jesse James on November 10, 2009, 02:27 PM
Agreed and at least some of the collecting sites acknowledged Scott...  I was disappointed when Toy Fare didn't because they tickle the balls of other sites from time to time, but I guess they felt compelled not to do so with this figure's starting point.

Considering it's really a one time thing, it'd be neat to see more people say, "yeah that figure's made because of that Scott Pearson guy".  Meh.
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Morgbug on November 10, 2009, 02:50 PM
Yeah, that's basically what I was hoping for.  I assumed it was due to the fact that the "big" sites like SSG, the official star wars boards and some others are delusionally obscuring the origin.  Scum, GH and others have been quite decent.  I sure wish there had been a picture of Scott at the midnight madness sale with Willrow photoshopped in.   ;)
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Jesse James on November 10, 2009, 02:53 PM
I didn't realize SSG was trying to obscure it. :)  That's funny...  Though who do they reach at this point?  Last time I was there they're pretty much out of the loop unless other sites put them in the loop for news.
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: BillCable on December 21, 2009, 01:14 PM
So now that Geocities is gone, think it might be time to pull down the petition banner?   ;)
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: CHEWIE on December 21, 2009, 02:22 PM
I hate to say it for Scott's sake, but this is the only figure from the ESB wave that I can find... if I wanted to, I could have had an army of 5-6 Willrow Hoods by now, but nothing else from the wave (except the repack Bacara, I did see him once and one repack Snowtrooper).  I can not seem to find anything else from this wave yet as it looks like I'm always a few hours late when a case makes its way out at a Wal-Mart... I'm sure they'll ship in better numbers before too long though.  I can't see anything from this wave being overly hard to find, unless the wave is in very limited production.
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Jabba the Slug on December 21, 2009, 05:03 PM
Well, I have yet to see this figure or any from the ESB wave at all.  :-\
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Scott on December 21, 2009, 09:25 PM
I hate to say it for Scott's sake, but this is the only figure from the ESB wave that I can find... if I wanted to, I could have had an army of 5-6 Willrow Hoods by now, but nothing else from the wave (except the repack Bacara, I did see him once and one repack Snowtrooper).  I can not seem to find anything else from this wave yet as it looks like I'm always a few hours late when a case makes its way out at a Wal-Mart... I'm sure they'll ship in better numbers before too long though.  I can't see anything from this wave being overly hard to find, unless the wave is in very limited production.
I'll take all 6 of those today if you can get them...lmk
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Jayson on December 21, 2009, 09:51 PM
I found my carded Willrow last week and I love him! This first one will remain sealed and on my shelf for the forseeable future and i'll be purchasing every one i see fromm here on out.  :)
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Jesse James on December 21, 2009, 10:09 PM
I can't find this wave at all, much less extras.  Saw one remnant pile and got what I could.  Haven't seen a single remnant since.  I'm still behind 4 figures.
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Brian on December 22, 2009, 10:29 AM
I can't find this wave at all, much less extras.  Saw one remnant pile and got what I could.  Haven't seen a single remnant since.  I'm still behind 4 figures.

No sign of this wave locally here either, unless I totally missed them.  I was hoping the preorder at BBTS would be coming in stock shortly, but we'll have to see.  I figure with the 6 month+ "break" we seem to be getting with Legacy stuff in 2010, I will hopefully have plenty of time to pick up this wave (and any extras).
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Jeff on December 22, 2009, 10:49 AM
I can't find this wave at all, much less extras. 

No sign of this wave locally here either, unless I totally missed them. 

Ditto.  I found a lone Willrow once at a Walmart near work and I haven't seen any of the others at all.  Hopefully they get to TRU and Target as well soon so I can up the odds of finding them...
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: CHEWIE on December 22, 2009, 11:12 AM
I hate to say it for Scott's sake, but this is the only figure from the ESB wave that I can find... if I wanted to, I could have had an army of 5-6 Willrow Hoods by now, but nothing else from the wave (except the repack Bacara, I did see him once and one repack Snowtrooper).  I can not seem to find anything else from this wave yet as it looks like I'm always a few hours late when a case makes its way out at a Wal-Mart... I'm sure they'll ship in better numbers before too long though.  I can't see anything from this wave being overly hard to find, unless the wave is in very limited production.
I'll take all 6 of those today if you can get them...lmk

If I see any more lingering around, I can pick a couple up if you want.  Keep in mind though this has been spread out over a couple weeks and it seems like each Wal-Mart I've seen these at only got in 1-2 cases of this wave.  The others are just clearing out faster.  He still ends up sold within a day or so and I have not seen any stores replenish with this wave yet that put out a case... I just keep getting to the stores apparently a bit too late to score the other stuff.
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Morgbug on December 28, 2009, 03:18 PM
Anyone have a plethora of these things lying around?  I still have yet to see one (granted I'm in a frozen wasteland) and still haven't seen it up on hts.com.  Help. 
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: JACKOFTRADZE on December 28, 2009, 03:46 PM
I found this wave at WM once and that was it. I had 2 cases on preorder from BBTS but canceled one. I may cancel the other. I hate doing that but I almost feel it's a waste to get at this point, usually they get them first. I only want one more Willrow, 2 more Lukes and another Wing Guard. By the time they get the wave they will be all over. I am afraid they will nix me during the EU wave release if I cancel the other case. Geek paranoia perhaps?
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Daigo-Bah on December 29, 2009, 01:28 AM
There were so few of this wave out before X-Mas, combined with all the distribution problems, that I think we'll see a good bit more of these showing up soon.  I was lucky to find the one case (minus Snowspeeder Luke) a few weeks back.
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Greg on December 29, 2009, 12:03 PM
There were so few of this wave out before X-Mas, combined with all the distribution problems, that I think we'll see a good bit more of these showing up soon.  I was lucky to find the one case (minus Snowspeeder Luke) a few weeks back.

I have this wave, but I hope to get a few more AT-AT Drivers and Snow Troopers. I'm hoping that this wave, as well as the last few, will continue shipping during the lull in new product in the spring.
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Daigo-Bah on December 29, 2009, 08:55 PM
I was watching TESB DVD today, looking for a particular character, and I happened to notice what appeared to be another ICMG running ahead of Willrow. He appears to be African-American as well, wearing an orange jumpsuit, and apparently carrying an ICM!  Here are 3 pics in succession:

(http://threads.rebelscum.com/photogallery/data//1451/willrow11.jpg)

(http://threads.rebelscum.com/photogallery/data//1451/willrow2.jpg)

(http://threads.rebelscum.com/photogallery/data//1451/willrow3.jpg)
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Master_Phruby on December 30, 2009, 11:35 AM
I think its the same guy.
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Jayson on December 30, 2009, 11:42 AM
There can be only one (ICMG)!
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Daigo-Bah on December 30, 2009, 04:27 PM
I think its the same guy.

Dang, that's the same comment over at RS!  This is one continuous shot, panning from right to left to follow Lando.  It can't be the same guy because there's no break in filming!
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: P-Siddy on December 30, 2009, 05:59 PM
Willrow Hood's twin brother. The REAL ICMG, trained by Master Koon!
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Jabba the Slug on December 31, 2009, 01:36 AM
Whoaah, trippy! Maybe it was a Clawdite Shape Shifter!  :o
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Master_Phruby on January 1, 2010, 10:19 PM
Being the good member of the Jedi Defender forums I am, I picked up my first Willrow Hood. Thanks to Scott for all his hard work in getting us this figure. I'm glad a petition for a figure I signed actually got made.

Long live ICMG!

Oh, by the way, my ice cream maker rebel logo isn't painted red. Is this common?
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Jesse James on January 1, 2010, 11:09 PM
Mine wasn't painted either Paul.  I think they're all that way.
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: BillCable on January 7, 2010, 07:06 PM
Today was a good day.  I found my Willrow.
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: CHEWIE on January 14, 2010, 08:16 PM
I hate to say it for Scott's sake, but this is the only figure from the ESB wave that I can find... if I wanted to, I could have had an army of 5-6 Willrow Hoods by now, but nothing else from the wave (except the repack Bacara, I did see him once and one repack Snowtrooper).  I can not seem to find anything else from this wave yet as it looks like I'm always a few hours late when a case makes its way out at a Wal-Mart... I'm sure they'll ship in better numbers before too long though.  I can't see anything from this wave being overly hard to find, unless the wave is in very limited production.
I'll take all 6 of those today if you can get them...lmk

I know it's been a while since you said that... but just in case, check your PMs.
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Ryan on January 30, 2010, 12:28 AM
Bumping this thread back up... I finally was able to find my two Willrows last night. Thanks again to Scott for all of his perseverance in getting this guy made. He makes a great addition to my Bespin shelf!

:)
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Daigo-Bah on January 30, 2010, 12:37 AM
I still think he's the best in the wave!  I'm thinking of buying another to head and hand swap into a variant Cloud City tech.  If only the belly wasn't sculpted so large  :P
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Morgbug on February 1, 2010, 11:12 AM
Has the massive glut of this horrendous peg warmer begun yet?  It's not quite three months since he first showed up in the U.S. so I can't reasonably expect him to be in Canada yet but someone must be wanting help clearing this off the pegs, aren't they? 
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: JediJman on February 1, 2010, 11:16 AM
All of Wave 12 has been scarce around the Minneapolis area.  Wilrow has been easier to find that some, but doesn't appear to be "warming" any more than Bespin Guard or Zuckess from what I've seen.
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: iFett on February 1, 2010, 11:17 AM
I've only seen him once at retail and he was all by himself....just chillin out.
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: jedi_master_sal on February 1, 2010, 11:17 AM
Has the massive glut of this horrendous peg warmer begun yet?  It's not quite three months since he first showed up in the U.S. so I can't reasonably expect him to be in Canada yet but someone must be wanting help clearing this off the pegs, aren't they? 

Glut? I've still not seen him or any others from this wave yet.

No glut in my area.
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Rob on February 1, 2010, 11:53 AM
I haven't seen any of this wave yet either... I keep wanting to just get them from HTS but I haven't seen them there yet either.
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Morgbug on February 1, 2010, 12:12 PM
Glut? I've still not seen him or any others from this wave yet.

No glut in my area.

Sorry Sal, I was being sarcastic there.  I know there's no glut. 

I haven't seen any of this wave yet either... I keep wanting to just get them from HTS but I haven't seen them there yet either.

I've been checking daily and nada. 
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: CHEWIE on February 1, 2010, 01:00 PM
Out of all the figures in this wave, he's been the easiest to find for me.  Not one I'd call a pegwarmer right now by any means though... the entire wave seems to be having a very hard time getting to retail.  No sightings at any store except Wal-Mart.

On a side note, I'm using one as a base for a rather humorous custom...
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: JACKOFTRADZE on February 1, 2010, 03:23 PM
On a side note, I'm using one as a base for a rather humorous custom...

I have been also making some pot bellied aliens with this base. I love this figure and intend to buy everyone I see. I want to perfect my next Fozec (The one below was a first pass experiment) and will be making a Pacithhip Pod Racer Mechanic with my current extra body.

(http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w298/jackoftradze/fozec4.jpg)

(http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w298/jackoftradze/TallPacithhip-CVD.jpg)

I only came across him at retail three times and bought all three. Peg warming my arse!
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Jesse James on February 1, 2010, 04:26 PM
No glut locally but we got bombarded with this wave about 2 weeks ago, and every WM locally seemed to get 2 cases in, and some seemed to restock as well once they sold through one time.  THey're pretty much all gone now except for repacks and a straggler here and there.  I saw a lone AT-AT Driver yesterday and nabbed him, but out of 6 WM's I visited that week they all had at least 2 cases worth out and of the 3 or 4 I've visited since last week, they're all pretty well cleared out except that random AT-AT Driver I spotted at about 2 stores.
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: jedi_master_sal on February 2, 2010, 08:49 AM
No glut locally but we got bombarded with this wave about 2 weeks ago, and every WM locally seemed to get 2 cases in, and some seemed to restock as well once they sold through one time.  THey're pretty much all gone now except for repacks and a straggler here and there.  I saw a lone AT-AT Driver yesterday and nabbed him, but out of 6 WM's I visited that week they all had at least 2 cases worth out and of the 3 or 4 I've visited since last week, they're all pretty well cleared out except that random AT-AT Driver I spotted at about 2 stores.

Heh, where are you shopping Jesse? None of my WM's got these or they were out the door quick. When you and some of the other local guys started reporting finding this wave, I upped my visits to the stores and still never saw any of them. I hope they haven't totally dried up. I would really like to build the HK and want a couple of those Concept Snowtroopers. Just a couple, I'm not army building anymore.
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Darth_Anton on February 2, 2010, 09:42 AM
He was one of the first to sell when he hit around here, but now he's one of the last to go.
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Jesse James on February 2, 2010, 04:17 PM
Greensburg, Monroeville, the 28 Corridor, and up into the North Hills.  I was more on a tear for clearanced stuff but that one week every store I hit was getting at least 2 cases and still have remnants.  I see the Snowtrooper fairly routinely right now and Bacarra as well with the HK-50 parts. 

I haven't seen a replenishment though.  I'd expect one soon though.
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: jedi_master_sal on February 3, 2010, 09:54 AM
Greensburg, Monroeville, the 28 Corridor, and up into the North Hills.  I was more on a tear for clearanced stuff but that one week every store I hit was getting at least 2 cases and still have remnants.  I see the Snowtrooper fairly routinely right now and Bacarra as well with the HK-50 parts. 

I haven't seen a replenishment though.  I'd expect one soon though.

Which Snowtrooper, the regular one or the concept? I'm not looking for the regular one, but I'd sure like to get the concept one.
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Reid on February 4, 2010, 10:14 PM
I made this beauty my first SW purchase in a while. Great figure, and congratulations to Scott for finally seeing him hit the pegs.
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Jesse James on February 4, 2010, 10:36 PM
Regular Snowtrooper Sal.  He and Bacarra are repacks from that wave.
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: jedi_master_sal on February 5, 2010, 12:09 PM
Regular Snowtrooper Sal.  He and Bacarra are repacks from that wave.

It's a good mold that Snowtrooper, just don't need any more of it. Bring on the Concept mold!
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: CHEWIE on February 8, 2010, 02:46 AM
Not to stray off topic, but here's what I did with my extra Willrow Hood... made some sort of Imperial maintenance worker... I tried making a mop but that failed (was going to call him ICMG - Ice Cream Mopper Guy) and have him cleaning up a soft serve spill. 

(http://www.yakfaceforums.com/Chewie/020810worker.jpg)
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Master_Phruby on February 8, 2010, 09:36 AM
That is one funky looking head Chewie.
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Morgbug on February 9, 2010, 02:43 PM
I'd like to have an extra Willrow.  But that would require me to have a single Willrow in the first place.  Peg warmer indeed. 
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: iFett on February 9, 2010, 03:14 PM
I've only seen Willrow twice and I bought both of them...and this wave has been out for how many months now?

I'd like to have an extra Willrow.  But that would require me to have a single Willrow in the first place.

Not sure if we're still sending you care packages or not, but I have an extra if you need Brent.  It's even from a store that OCB used to shop at.    :D

Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Morgbug on February 9, 2010, 03:49 PM
Yup, I still get care packages from Jim/chuckles on a somewhat regular basis.  I'd take loose, but if it's carded I want it signed by "The Maker" and I don't mean that Lucas clown, I mean the guy that got this through.  I'll send you a pm on it by day's end.  Thanks.  :)
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Jabba the Slug on March 6, 2010, 03:51 AM
Today, TODAY (!) for the 1st time ever I stumbled upon the remnants of Wave 12 Legacy. And I found Willrow! I'm actually impressed with the figure now that I've seen it in person.
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Matt_Fury on March 16, 2010, 09:45 PM
Finally found a Willrow Hood!   :D

Now to find the rest of this wave!   >:(
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Blaster under the pillow on March 17, 2010, 08:38 AM
I picked up Willrow before Christmas and I have to say, I really love everything about this figure. There's something cool about signing up for something and seeing it come to fruition. I can't imagine how satisfied the guy who started this is.

In a way, it's great that it took as long as it did to happen, because, the sculpt and articulation in this era of collecting is so advanced. If he'd come in 2004 he would probably have had a pre-posed "running leg" and had trouble standing.

These kind of cool background characters are one of the things that keep me collecting.
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Darth_Anton on March 18, 2010, 11:08 AM
After sitting in my neglected open pile for quite a while I finally got around to opening this guy. He's alright.
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Jayson on March 21, 2010, 04:37 PM
A couple days ago, I added an authentic "Fans' Choice" figure to my collection: An autographed Willrow Hood signed by Scott "OCB" Pearson himself!

So all of you with signed Anthony Daniels, Dave Prowse, Peter Mayhew and Jeremy Bulloch figures can suck it.  ;D
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Jesse James on March 22, 2010, 02:40 AM
Wow.  Those must be nice to find in the wild when toy hunting in Minnesota...

I can't even find an extra carded ICMG to mail to the creator.  All I'm seeing are repacks, Bespin Guards and Zuckuss.
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: P-Siddy on March 22, 2010, 12:12 PM
Wow.  Those must be nice to find in the wild when toy hunting in Minnesota...

I can't even find an extra carded ICMG to mail to the creator.  All I'm seeing are repacks, Bespin Guards and Zuckuss.

I got an autographed copy too. Maybe contact the creator himself, Jesse.
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Morgbug on March 22, 2010, 12:16 PM
I finally got one of these from the Minnesota Mikey. 

So, is this thing warming the pegs nationwide yet?  I may be stateside next week and would love to grab several more.  Surely to goodness the bane of collectors must be readily available, right? 
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: CHEWIE on March 22, 2010, 12:19 PM
I wouldn't say he's warming the pegs at all - Hasbro seems to have done a good job managing the production numbers on him.  The only place I am seeing him is at TRU and Target - he's not hard to find, but he's certainly not a burden like Yarna was.

Funny - we had some friends over this weekend, and they have kids who like Star Wars a lot.  One of them saw my Willrow Hood, and said "Look - a fat guy!"  - it was priceless.
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Morgbug on March 22, 2010, 01:07 PM
I wouldn't say he's warming the pegs at all - Hasbro seems to have done a good job managing the production numbers on him.  The only place I am seeing him is at TRU and Target -

This is good news indeed.  I would like to find a couple more for sure so if he's easy to find that would be awesome. 

What's wrong with fat guys?
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Diddly on March 23, 2010, 01:28 AM
I saw two hanging on the pegs when I went home for Spring Break. Kind of kicking myself for not snagging them, since I'm sure there are still some JDers in need of him.
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: David on March 23, 2010, 10:44 AM
I got mine the very first time I saw him, at a local toy show in December. Since then I've only seen him once at retail.
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Morgbug on April 1, 2010, 12:36 AM
Hit close to a dozen stores over four days, not a sign of Willrow.   :-\  Saw chunks of the wave including snowspeeder Luke and the scanning tech, but no Willrow.  Stoopid peg warmer.
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Jesse James on April 1, 2010, 12:42 AM
Get a Scanner Tech?  :)  I'm up to a nice group of them, but other than TRU in Manhatten, I've never seen lots of that figure anywhere.  I DID pass on the first one ever at Target near me though because the price wasn't as spiffy as WM where I've been nabbing them one here and one there since the ESB2.0 wave has been surfacing.

Of ESB2.0 the figures I don't see often (or at all) are Wilrow Hood, the Green Astromech, Concept Snowtrooper, and to a lesser degree Snowspeeder Luke.  The rest of that wave I see hanging around usually for a time.
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Morgbug on April 1, 2010, 02:21 AM
Nope.  I'm just not motivated on this stuff of late.  I know the new tech is a better sculpt, but I still have 4-5 of the old one and don't care enough to get the new one.  The Tech is up on hts.com, as are a few other things from that wave, but nothing I want ::)  I'd probably buy the whole wave, if I could get it in one fell swoop, but that seems destined to not happen.  Looking at HTS.com I remembered I still need a Rum Sleg. ::)

Meh, check that.  Found an ebay seller with Willrow listed at $5.95 and the Droid at $7.95 so I grabbed both.  Enough bitching about it, just bought it and that's that.  I've got my loose and carded versions of Willrow now, so if I can manage to get Scott to sign the carded one I'm good to go. 
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Jabba the Slug on April 3, 2010, 10:48 PM
I've been finding slow trickles of the ESB Wave, including good ol' Wilrow! I am decently pleased that he is not pegwarming the shelves, in fact, there seems to be a steady, paced flow of him available! Yay, no Yarna!
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Morgbug on April 24, 2010, 01:15 AM
I own many of these since my ebay order showed up.  Pearson, get over to chuckles' house and sign one of my copies.  You have until September 18th.
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Pete_Fett on April 24, 2010, 12:52 PM
I feel as though I've done my part to support good ole Willrow - I have three of him open and one MOC.

I am pleased to see that around here at least he has not developed into another Yarna.

In fact I would almost say that Edian peg warms more than him, but that might have something to do with revision cases, I'm not sure.

Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Darth_Anton on April 24, 2010, 03:38 PM
I strongly considered picking up a second to make another Bespin guard, but haven't been able to pull the trigger.
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Morgbug on April 28, 2010, 11:31 PM
I have a serious disease.  I'm totally not into collecting these days and have bought very, very little in the last month and have about 20 figures from the last year sitting sealed that I'm pretty sure I don't want to open.  Yet I still bought a Willrow today (US cardback still) bringing my total to four.  I didn't need it but wanted it still.  Crazy.
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: JesseVader08 on May 27, 2010, 07:06 PM
I finally found Willrow on the local pegs and he is now proudly displayed hanging on my wall.  8)
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Jabba the Slug on May 27, 2010, 08:21 PM
GOT HIM! Scored Wilrow, but having small trouble getting him to hold his ice cream maker.
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Jayson on May 27, 2010, 11:02 PM
GOT HIM! Scored Wilrow, but having small trouble getting him to hold his ice cream maker.

It's a delicate balancing act, but it is possible.

I finally found Willrow on the local pegs and he is now proudly displayed hanging on my wall.  8)

But is yours autographed (http://www.yakface.com/TGuide2004/ActionFigures/TLC/LC_BD53/cf3.html)?  ;)
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: JesseVader08 on May 28, 2010, 12:02 AM
That ******' rocks Jayson.  8)
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Jeff on May 28, 2010, 12:08 AM
But is yours autographed (http://www.yakface.com/TGuide2004/ActionFigures/TLC/LC_BD53/cf3.html)?  ;)

Yes.   8)

(http://www.jedidefender.com/jsmentek/photos/JLSwillrow.jpg)
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: P-Siddy on May 28, 2010, 01:14 AM
So is mine!!  ;D And proudly displayed as well! Thanks, Scott!
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Jesse James on May 28, 2010, 01:35 AM
I feel very left out at the moment.
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Diddly on May 28, 2010, 02:10 AM
Been seeing a lot of Willrows lately... need to snag one to get autographed!
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Jesse James on May 28, 2010, 03:23 PM
There's almost none here...  I went out last weekend and of the 4 stores I hit (2 WM, 2 Target) I didn't see a single ICMG. :(  I was going to get one specifically for fodder actually.

Now I sorta want two, and they're not to be found.  Go figure.
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Morgbug on May 28, 2010, 10:51 PM
They are starting to sit up here, since TRU has been getting only cases of that wave.  The concept figure is never around, but Willrow and the Bespin Guard are always.  Granted there's a whopping 8 Willrow's on the pegs between two stores, so it's hardly awful.  Just about every clone wars figure has that many sitting on the pegs too (granted they are more likely to sell to kids). 

No auto for me either  :'( but I have a couple sitting in Minneapolis waiting for the opportunity or I'll drive down and get it myself at gunpoint in September. 
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Jesse James on May 29, 2010, 12:12 AM
I don't get to TRU often so there may be some (many) there around here, but it's just not a store I get to visit since they're all 45 minutes or more away.  Target and WM are pretty void of those though.
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Jesse James on June 3, 2010, 03:53 PM
There was some speculation among customizers that Wilrow would be useful as a Porkins body update, and it seems Hasbro was thinking that all along (http://www.galactichunter.com/absolutenm/templates/full_article_template_1.asp?articleid=8873&zoneid=2).

Pretty interesting that they really want to get Porkins out, but not any time soon it seems.  I'd like a new one, as he's pretty outdated (as is Biggs IMO).  Porkins is good aesthetically, but poseability blows and he's nowhere near the others in the squad now.  That gives me hope for a new one now.  Since we never see him from the waist down, I'm ok with the re-use of Wilrow since who knows what the guy's shaped like really other than his stint in Indy.
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: evenflow on June 9, 2010, 01:50 PM
Somewhat off topic...but i thought it was how Toyguru (Scott from Mattel) referenced ICMG in a recent response to a fan about Optikk

Matty (http://forums.mattycollector.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/2131094575/m/8201045626?r=1811059926#1811059926)
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: JesseVader08 on June 10, 2010, 12:20 AM
Has anyone tried swapping heads between Willrow and the Bespin Guard?  I'm not sure if their pegs are quite the same size.

Their skin colours aren't quite the same, but I thought it might be a neat way to add more background guys.
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Scott on August 18, 2010, 12:08 AM
Topless Robot is on our side (http://www.toplessrobot.com/2010/07/10_minor_star_wars_characters_with_completely_unne.php)
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Jesse James on February 10, 2011, 12:13 AM
As per the Force Cast tonight, unfortunately, Wilrow Hood's sales were sluggish, but they managed his figure closely so that he didn't become a problem, and so he was a nice nod to longtime fans and they like doing that.

Wasn't for kids or "casual collectors" obviously.  Worked out ok with close management.
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: JesseVader08 on March 31, 2011, 01:05 AM
I just wanted to show off my ICMG collection.  :D

Bespin display
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v687/JesseVader08/P1050946.jpg)

Willrow Militia
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v687/JesseVader08/P1050942.jpg)

Carded ICMG
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v687/JesseVader08/P1050948-1.jpg)
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: JediJman on April 1, 2011, 08:59 AM
Where is your signed version?
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: EpicGon on April 29, 2011, 11:20 PM
I can´t fancy Willrow Hood body enough fat for an updated Porkins.
Hood is fat only at belly area, but potj Jek Porkins completed that fat structure better.
 I understand that Hood body can adapt to an harness, considering the current need to economize material.

But, potj Porkins helmet was well depicted with its microphone.

This means a redefinition on scale, but big guys would remain huge. After that diminition in size, there will be come a reduction of Wuher based on a smaller guy body (perhaps the reuse of Hood)

Only a humble opinion, in the art of sculptors variations are a matter of interpretation.
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Scott on November 20, 2011, 11:01 PM
Added a few pieces to the Willrow Collection:

(http://www.jedidefender.com/collect92/vintage willrow.jpg)
(http://www.jedidefender.com/collect92/vintage willrow2.jpg)

(http://www.jedidefender.com/collect92/proto willrow.jpg)
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Scott on November 20, 2011, 11:02 PM
(http://www.jedidefender.com/collect92/willrow collection.jpg)
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Jesse James on November 21, 2011, 02:08 PM
Sweet Scott, where'd you land the hard copy?  Who did the custom (or did you do all that on your own?  If you did, good work!)?
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Scott on November 23, 2011, 03:46 PM
The Hard Copy came from Galaxy Collectibles...early XMas present to myself

The vintage custom I bought off some guy in the UK
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Scott on March 29, 2013, 08:31 PM
FOTD at GH (http://figureoftheday.blogspot.com/2013/03/star-wars-figure-of-day-day-2033.html?m=1)
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Scockery on March 29, 2013, 09:22 PM
FOTD at GH (http://figureoftheday.blogspot.com/2013/03/star-wars-figure-of-day-day-2033.html?m=1)

Quote
He did do better than Leesub Sirln,...

Meaning where he lives. Where I lived TRU had a row of Wilrows for years after Leesubs were a memory. Not even sure where the Wilrows went.

Quote
...who I am pretty sure nobody asked for,


 ::) Right sure...

Quote
It adds a slightly more menacing element to the figure, which I feel sort of misses the entire point of it in the first place. 

For some one who claims he's all for Star Wars figures being toys, he misses the point of including a blaster with a  non-combatant.

Quote
The fact that this figure exists is pretty amazing, but there's one last figure to discuss whose right to exist I call more into question.

"Right to exist"?

I used to find his "figure of the day" entries amusing.
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Jesse James on April 1, 2013, 10:48 PM
Not a glowing review, kind of missed the positives IMO, but eh, I didn't expect it to be as nice as it was.  Adam's made it clear he's not a fan of ICMG getting a figure...

I think citing him as an example of how thinly stretched ideas for figures in the line are, wasn't good though.  He mentioned specifically Bespin, which is pretty tough to get figures out of...  Most you want are resculpts.  The rest, mostly are just humans, and that's ICMG basically.

Besides the human hunchback hanging out with the Ugnaughts, a mustached guard, and little else, Bespin just isn't a figure treasure trove like Jabba's Palace/Skiff's, Cantina, Rebels and Imperials, and that's not even touching the PT's yet...  Bespin's fairly tapped out, but I'd still buy resculpts of figures from there if they're significantly better.
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Scockery on April 2, 2013, 01:14 PM
There's still a Wilrow at my local TRU. I'd thought they'd all gone. Some Bespin wing guards popped up at a Wal-Mart near me, too. I scanned them, "see associate". No thanks.
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Jesse James on April 3, 2013, 02:17 AM
Wilrow came and went here, never sat at any store.  I didn't even get one on sale...  had to get a full price one for my fodder fig.
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: JediJman on April 5, 2013, 12:10 PM
I paid full price for one, then got a free signed one from Patient Zero.  Cool character/figure, especially given the history and backstory.
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Scott on September 18, 2013, 05:05 PM
Here is the latest updates to the World's Largest Willrow Hood Collection

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BTr6fBzCIAAnISc.jpg)
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Master_Phruby on November 21, 2013, 10:52 AM
"This character epitomizes how insane Star Wars fans —and thus Star Wars toys— can get." - IO9.
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: McMetal on November 21, 2013, 01:04 PM
I saw a sweet willrow prototype figure up for auction on eBay lat week, it may still be there...
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Jesse James on November 21, 2013, 05:50 PM
I told Scott he should buy that piece of the Willrow Hood experience...  He just looked at me and said, "I don't need to...  I lived it", as he rode away. 

(http://i1.ytimg.com/vi/hApP4_2wtiU/hqdefault.jpg)
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Scott on December 4, 2013, 10:19 AM
Thanks guys for the tip, I am now the owner of not one but two Willrow Hood prototypes.  The seller of the one on eBay was actually a former Hasbro employee.  He was not involved in the creation of Willrow but his friend was...the two pieces are identical down to the markings...the Willrow Hood collection continues to grow.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bapo3k8CUAAHeLo.jpg)
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: McMetal on December 4, 2013, 11:23 AM
That's awesome, Scott! I wish that seller would put up some animated Clone Wars prototypes for auction, I need to keep growing that part of my collection.
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Scott on February 18, 2015, 10:04 PM
Latest addition to the WLWHC

Sketch Card (http://pages.ebay.com/link/?nav=item.view&alt=web&id=331479366415)
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Jesse James on February 18, 2015, 10:41 PM
Oofah that wasn't cheap!
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Scockery on June 22, 2016, 11:22 PM
Currently there's one going for $17.39 loose with 3 1/2 days left to bid. MOC have sold for $30.

I remember a few rows of unsold Willrow's at toys r us.

So, I ask where were the bidders when he was everywhere? Maybe he was rare somewhere? Not around here.

Newcomers to the hobby? And willing to spend $30 on THE BEST CHARACTER EVER  ;D

Just the end result of the gradual end of Super Articulation that everything's gonna go up on the aftermarket.

Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Jesse James on June 22, 2016, 11:31 PM
He wasn't "rare" here but he sold...  Steadily.  Far better than Yarna, and Naboo Guard guys.  IIRC TRU had the most Wilrows I ever saw, but never saw them between sales and such.

I never saw rows of them though, ever.  Almost every wave of Legacy stuff was a steady seller, did ok...  Not much lingered endlessly for my neck of the woods.   It's like everything else.  If one area got too much, it doomed other waves. 
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: JediJman on June 23, 2016, 12:02 PM
Yeah, I don't think its so much that he was hard to find, but years later someone looking to back-collect an item would have much more trouble finding it.  The vintage POTF figures were $1.99 when I was a kid - they obviously cost a lot more now.  The 6" Maul and R2 Black series figures were piling up on the shelves a few years ago, but now they too sell at a premium. 
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Scott on September 26, 2016, 11:59 AM
I was watching ESB on TNT on Saturday and something caught my eye...THIS CHANGES EVERYTHING

Luke Skywalker, the savior of the galaxy (until Rey came along) was the original owner of Willrow Hood's Ice Cream Maker

https://twitter.com/JediDefender/status/779862559637639168

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CtKg1FhVUAAz4AU.jpg)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CtKg1FgUAAAMTf9.jpg)

Putting together a timeline:


Willrow really was just a thief...huh, but now we know he was Force Sensitive and probably the son of Mace Windu (who isn't dead)
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: P-Siddy on September 26, 2016, 12:29 PM
Perhaps in ANH, when C-3PO says, "Thank the Maker!" he didn't mean Anakin (though Threepio didn't know Anakin created him), he was referring to the Maker
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Diddly on September 26, 2016, 05:55 PM
Also gives credence to the falsified StarWars.com/EU backstory that Hood was a Rebel hacker and the Ice Cream Maker was actually a pod full of secret Rebel documents! Why else would Luke have it?
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Jesse James on September 26, 2016, 07:00 PM
Nothing says keep this a secret like slapping a rebel logo on it...  Stupid Hasblow!
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: JediJman on September 30, 2016, 11:21 AM
SPOILER ALERT...Willrow Hood is Snoke!
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Scockery on November 4, 2016, 02:12 PM
Epic...
https://ilmchallenge.artstation.com/favorites/80908ba/ (https://ilmchallenge.artstation.com/favorites/80908ba/)
Title: Re: Willrow Hood
Post by: Jesse James on November 4, 2016, 02:43 PM
Must have Wilrow Hood Office Modular Playset