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Other Toy Lines / Re: McFarlane Led Zeppelin & Jimi Hendrix
« on: October 19, 2003, 10:59 AM »
Peter Grant really was the pioneer for the way the industry was shaped in general.  Peter understood that if the artist was the one creating the music they should be the one making the money not everyone else.  Peter was a businessman who knew that control over a career was the most important thing.  While most managers sat behind a desk and paid tour managers and other people to be on the road Peter went along with Zeppelin and oversaw everything.

When Zeppelin signed what was at the time the highest advance ($200,000) Peter established production and publishing companies to ensure that the group had control over every aspect of their business, so in essence they never really were tied to the label.  The 90 / 10 split was a hefty business deal.  After Zeppelin took their 90 percent of the gross the promoter was to pay for all his expenses then take what was left of that 10 percent as the profit.  Of course Peter knew that he didn't need to pay a promoter to promote Zeppelin as Zeppelin promoted themselves, so why waste money on a promoter who didn't need to do anything.  If Zeppelin did the work they deserved the money.

Radio airplay falls under small performing rights which includes television, radio, movie theatres, etc. and is a nondramatic performance right.  Both ASCAP and BMI license this type of performance by granting a blanket license for usage of each of their respected catalogues.  The song composition being performed is a public performance, regardless of which artist's recorded version is being played.

Mechanical right is the right given to reproduce the song in a mechanical format (or phonorecords as defined by the copyright law) such as albums, compact discs, cassettes etc.  This type of right can be broken down even more to include a compulsory mechanical license which allows another artist to utilize your song without permission as long as the artist complies with the laws set in place to do this.

I admire that you are taking an interest in the profession you may choose to go into.  I've seen so many artists so many times get the full steam ahead attitude and relying on other people without learning to protect themselves.  So many artists go bankrupt because they just sign the contract without reading it to see the royalty rates and other information and spend money like water without realizing how much money truly comes in after expenses.  If an artist relies on somebody else they are likely to get taken.  Aerosmith is a prime example of losing revenue to two former businessmen from early in their career.  When they signed their contract the two businessmen get their share of the pie whenever certain songs are played from early in the bands career.  It's a shame really.  Elvis lost millions as well when he signed that piece of paper stating a 50 / 50 split with Tom Parker.  That's a hefty management fee.

The days of trust in the industry are long gone.  Zeppelin used an honor system of verbal agreements and handshakes by Peter.  The amazing thing to note is that Peter never had a signed contract with Zeppelin, and I'll have to check but if I remember correctly Peter received 20 percent for a management fee.  He was their manager on trust.  Trust went along way in the past but sadly it's gone from the business forever.  Good luck in the industry.  While this thread really has nothing to do with action figures anymore it's still music related and it's been great to be a part of it.

Robert
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Other Toy Lines / Re: McFarlane Led Zeppelin & Jimi Hendrix
« on: October 18, 2003, 10:31 PM »
Touring doesn't make up a high amount as most people believe.  Alot goes into a tour, and everything costs money.  Limo rides aren't free and unless it's in a contract the artist will foot the bill.  Everything from the promoter promoting the gig, renting the facility to put on the gig, the concession stands, security, the road crew, and that's just the starters for who is dipping their hands into the money pot.  I won't even mention the budget to tour, travel expenses, packing any additional items needed for the tour, musicians for hire to play on the tour if needed, hotel accommodations etc.  8>)

Merchandising is another matter.  Materials used to create the products, getting the proper licensing to use various images on the merchandise if it's needed, artists for hire to create images get their share of the pie as well unless the image was created as a "for hire" basis also cost money.  Any leftover unsold merchandising that's still around at the end of the tour is in essence a loss of revenue unless another sales outlet can be utilized to move the remaining product.

For the performance income it's a requirement by law in the United States as well as most countries in the world that compensation be paid to the copyright owners for the public performance of their music.  This is where ASCAP, BMI, and SESAC come into play, as these organizations are the ones that collect the public performance income and then distribute it in proportion based on the success for each song licensed by the organization.  These three organizations are the ones responsible for "sampling" thousands of hours of radio airplay to generate a model of music broadcast on the radio.  Both ASCAP as well as BMI "sample" but BMI also uses the playlist created by the program director of the radio station or "logs" to get a broader scope of what is played since songs that are no longer hits or never were hits are also in the airplay lists for rotation.  This income is paid out in two varieties: the writer's share as well as the publisher's share.

Mechanical income is the revenue generated from the sale of the discs (album and CD), as well as cassettes etc.  Rates are used to pay this income and the rates are set by the copyright royalty tribunal.  These rates vary if stated in the contract.  Everything costs money and if an artist gets a cash advance they won't see dime one until the advance is repaid. Plus studio time, disc artwork etc. all cost money.

I agree on the print income it's not very much as the publisher earns the most in this segment of revenue, and the synchronization income while it can be a good source of revenue is a shaky source of income, although these days soundtracks to albums sometimes do better than the movie the product is supporting.

Alot has to be taking into account for revenue.  Touring will only generate money if the artist is successful.  If the facility isn't filled with enough paying customers the losses could be deep red ink, and merchandising gets affected accordingly.

The copyright is where the most revenue comes in.  From radio airplay, live performances, cover versions by various artists, sampling, licensing usage of performances is the best long term way to generate revenue.  The longer the artist is successful the more revenue will be generated.  This also is a disadvantage as the artist I collect Led Zeppelin just found out.  The licenses on Zeppelin's first five albums were up for renewal and the royalty rate is now roughly four times what it was when Zeppelin released the albums.  Zeppelin went to court to get a newer more modern royalty rate and lost as the court found the songs to be made for hire due to the copyright act of 1976.  While still at the old royalty rate generating millions in revenue the surviving members also lost millions.  There are rare occurrences where touring does generate big dollar income.  Zeppelin with their manager Peter Grant pioneered the 90 / 10 split for revenue generated by a gig.

Let's just say music is a hobby. 8>)

Robert
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Other Toy Lines / Re: McFarlane Led Zeppelin & Jimi Hendrix
« on: October 17, 2003, 07:12 PM »
Actually, Experience Hendrix is the name of the family-based organization that controls the rights to Jimi's music and image.  I'm not sure of the hierarchy but Jimi's half-sister Janie Hendrix was or still is the president and CEO of Experience Hendrix.  I use the term 'rights' as a song is copyrighted and other 'rights' are utilized.  The law terms a musical composition as a "musical work" which is copyrighted.  Publishing rights can be broken down into five general categories: performance income, mechanical income, print income, synchronization income, and foreign income.  While these five categories play a key part in the short term for an artist to generate a personal income, it's the copyright that generates the most income for an artist especially if the artist is successful for an extended period of time.
If an artist is relying on disc sales to generate a personal paycheck, the artist needs to expand out on how to use their personal works to make revenue.  A copyright is where the income is generated not by disc sales or touring.

Robert
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BLACK S.U.N.

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Other Toy Lines / Re: McFarlane Led Zeppelin & Jimi Hendrix
« on: October 16, 2003, 09:47 PM »
Actually, it's costing whoever owns the rights to the songs.  Unless ownership has changed doesn't 'Experience Hendrix' control the rights to Jimi's music and image?  Musicians make the money from the rights moreso than from touring and selling recordings.  While Jimi is no longer alive the party that controls the rights to the music are the ones losing the money.

Robert
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BLACK S.U.N.

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Watto's Junk Yard / Re: 100 Greatest Guitarists of All Time
« on: August 28, 2003, 08:34 PM »
Cory H wrote:

"Take a listen to anything by Chuck Berry, prefferably Johnny B. Good or Maybelene  then listen to "Rock N' Roll" by Led Zeppelin. It's an indirect tribute, Led Zeppelin just R n B'ed it up with drums. "

The song "Rock and Roll" was created out of a combination of Little Richard songs and not a Chuck Berry song.  The band was working on "Four Sticks" when Bonzo played  the intro to Little Richards ""Keep On Knocking" (Keep A Knockin').  Throw in some "Good Golly Miss Molly" and the song "Rock and Roll" was created. The song is mainly a remake of "Keep A Knockin' and not so much of "Good Golly Miss Molly."  If you would like to hear Chuck Berry's infuence on Zeppelin check out the July 6, 1973 rehearsals for such gems as "School Days", and "Nadine", and "Reelin' and Rockin'".  Even earlier tracks such as "Roll Over Beethoven" can be heard in several 1969 jams inside "How Many More Times".  Chuck Berry was an influence but for the song "Rock and Roll" Little Richard's "Keep A Knockin'" is the influence.

Personally, I don't believe an accurate list can ever be created as each individuals tastes in music vary.  There's a broad spectrum of players listed there which might have been what they were going for by hitting different time periods in music history and different genres.  For me other things need to be taken into account such as influence in music and the state of affairs in music, such as Les Paul and the Electric Guitar, Jimmy Page and his producing skills, etc.. Everyone has a favorites list and every list created will be debated on.

Virex wrote:

"These lists exist primarily to generate discussion and sell magazines."

For me this sentence is 100% correct in every way.

Robert
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Other Toy Lines / Re: McFarlane Led Zeppelin & Jimi Hendrix
« on: August 22, 2003, 06:38 PM »
This incident was filmed by Mark Stein (of Vanilla Fudge) and no I don't know where the footage is, or even if the footage has survived through time.  ;D

Robert
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BLACK S.U.N.

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