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Collectibles => The Vintage Collection => Topic started by: Jesse James on July 29, 2010, 11:05 PM
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So it was mentioned during Comic-Con I guess about figures from The Old Republic, but not till 2012. Specifics are probably a tad sketchy, but why not start dreaming a little while we wait, no? :)
I'm a big fan of this series and its development, but I've not entirely followed the comics for The Old Republic, and I've not kept up on character names... I am just giddy at the thought of the game itself more than anything.
The "Hope Trailer" got me jonesin' for figures something fierce though, in particular the badass Republic Trooper that tries to off the Sith, while getting zapped with Sithy lightning, with a knife! That guy's hardcore to even try it. That trailer's got lots of figure potential to it alone.
What's the wishlists for this alone looking like among you folks? I'm curious more about The Old Republic comic(s) now as well, and the characters in those.
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Yeah - that Republic Trooper Sargeant from the "Hope" video would be great - he is a serious hard-core fighter in that video. Don't forget, he also sets off an energy grenade while it's in his own hand to try to stop that lead Sith.
I've shown that video to folks who like Star Wars, but aren't as into it as us and they all think it's the coolest thing they've seen in a while - one guy even made a remark that he wished they had made the Clone Wars cartoon to look like that.
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My gf even thought he was a badass and the trailer was neat looking... The kids, who are into WoW a lot, are even curious about this game.
I would love to see those Republic Soldiers in general get at least a couple figures... That main guy from the video is just too cool to not get a figure though. He's even very Cloney with the armor, but I somehow would easily buy him without thinking, "yet another guy in white armor".
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The soldier dude would be cool, maybe that Mando girl from the original trailer. I suppose we'll see all sorts of cool designs when the actual game comes out, so there might be all kinds of neat things to choose from. A shame this is a MMORPG, it looks like it's just begging for some core characters and a deep story. Shame that the trailers probably have more plot and character than the game will.
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A shame this is a MMORPG, it looks like it's just begging for some core characters and a deep story. Shame that the trailers probably have more plot and character than the game will.
Have you ever played any games from the WoW series? Many of the Alliance/Horde characters have developed throughout the series, especially in the MMORPG - though you can easily not pay attention to the development. And not only has the game evolved the characters, but there has also been books, and I am pretty sure comics to move them along - so we could see that go on here with characters developed for the game.
As I think I said before in the video game thread - I am pretty jazzed about this game - so much that I bought EA stock in anticipation for it (right before the European stock crash..... ::) ). But I think figures for this game will do extremely well and will probably also proove very hard to find, as non-collectors will start buying figures they identify with in game.
As to which characters they should make that we have seen? All of them. They are all BA.
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So far, I'm hoping to see Darth Whatever His Name Is - this guy:
(http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/9/2010/04/500x_sith.jpg)
What I'm hoping for are alternate heads for this dude - in the 1st trailer, "Decieved", he has that cybernetic face apparatus. In the 2nd trailer, which, storyline-wise, comes before the 1st trailer, we see his entire face, before he gets his ass handed to him.
Another character I'm really hoping to see is that female Jedi from the 2nd trailer, the one with a double-bladed blue lightsaber. Also, her appearance is very similar to that of Serra Keto (Cin Drallig's apprentice from the ROTS video game):
(http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/starwars/images/4/44/SerraKeto.jpg)
With the proper tweaking, Hasbro could re-purpose this sculpt to make an all-new Serra Keto!
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He looks too much like Vader, and she looks too much like Bastila Shan to me.
Is there no more originality in SW anymore?
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Is there no more originality in SW anymore?
Has there been for the last 5 or 6 years?
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Is there no more originality in SW anymore?
Has there been for the last 5 or 6 years?
Point taken, LOL.
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I'm still wondering if maybe that is Bastila. She was feeling creative and decided to dye her hair or something. I hear ya on the Sith guy looking very Vaderish though. Do all sith end have to end up with some kind of robotic prosthetic? And for that matter why are they always human or humanish? Wheres the big bad Talz lord of the sith? Or the Rodian sith lord? Do human generated force powers just overpower force powers from any other race or what?
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I think 5 or 6 years is even being overly generous. :) Star Wars EU is so-so at best sometimes. I can get into a lot of individual characters, but there's a distinct need to latch onto the old a lot of the time.
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Ugh..those images and designs are horrible. This is my biggest problem with the EU. Visually, the OT was designed using history and real cultures as guides. Think of Vader as a mechanical samuri, Tusken raiders as nomadic desert dwellers. The designers knew world history, costume history, and the history of Sci Fi illustration.
Most of the comic and video game use the SW movies, other comics, and other video games as inspiration. They feel like they nothing of our real world. The designs are inbred and redundant.
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I agree, at least some... I think I like things, like in the Hope Trailer, such as seeing the Republic using a white armor as their basis many years long before the films take place... The armor's also clunkier, bulkier, less efficient looking that the films have.
I like those aspects then, as they give some deep continuity, with such a deep gap in time, between the films and this very old EU.
I also dug some of the Hope Trailer's designs like the droids and whatnot...
Things like Sith lords needing cybernetic **** to live though, very redundant... Hell, it was done in KOTOR already. :-\
And that female Jedi is very Bastilla Shan, other than the saber (she has a staff IIRC), so yeah... That too is at the least dull. Jedi seem fairly similar from TOR era to the Original Trilogy... I can live with them not changing much. She seems meh though. If you're going to do a Jedi and show it off, at least do a species that hasn't been seen or something.
I dig a lot of EU, but like I said, I tend to latch onto individual characters, over the overall feel of an EU storyline. The best EU came out long ago. Since then it's been almost an assembly line to produce the same thing in a different package.
To me, very little ever will come close to the Zahn Trilogy, The Katarn story (in particular, Dark Forces, Jedi Knight, and Mysteries of the Sith), or the X-Wing and TIE Fighter storylines (which are largely overlooked). Those were great stories that meshed with the established story of their time.
Knights of the Old Republic was the last great EU story to me... Since then, everything hasn't come close to the good EU of the mid to late 90's.
Hell, even the West ENd Games books of the old RPG had some of the best EU in them.
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I'm surprised LucasArts doesn't delve into the "primitive" technology that the galaxy had at this point. Weren't lightsaber hilts connected to power packs? And what's with the clone armor on the Republic warriors? Maybe this can be retconned into being the basis of the designs for clone armor in the Clone Wars.
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I agree, at least some... I think I like things, like in the Hope Trailer, such as seeing the Republic using a white armor as their basis many years long before the films take place... The armor's also clunkier, bulkier, less efficient looking that the films have.
I like those aspects then, as they give some deep continuity, with such a deep gap in time, between the films and this very old EU.
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That's one of the things I liked about the original KOTOR. Despite it still being a highly technological era, it still seemed a bit primitive compared to the time of the PT or OT. A lot of the war droids looked pretty clunky. You had astromechs like T3 who looked a bit more dated than the R2 series. A lot of people ran around with vibroblades and whatnot for weapons, nothing says less advanced than a regular looking sword. When i played through those games it was very believable that this was taking place in a time period 1000-2000 years before the PT/OT era. Some really neat concepts and designs came out of there.
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I'm assuming a lot of that will carry over with The Old Republic then as well... Especially Vibro-blades/axes... Though those are in the OT, so go figure. :) Guess they're not that antiquated ultimately.
The droids look clunky and bulky, some of the gear looks oversized, the armor, etc. That's one of the things I do like about TOR's look for sure.
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Holy ****, another new cinematic trailer from The Old Republic. :'(
(http://www.jedidefender.com/news/images/1-08/011TOR_NewKorribanCinematicTrailer01_TN.jpg) (http://www.swtor.com/media/trailers/return)
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Even if you DON'T care about the game, or the era, look at these trailers! They're better than the prequals and they're only like 5 minutes long. They're graphically insane, they're full of everything that makes Star Wars great, and crammed into that short period of time, and they're just flat out cool.
Hasbro has to make figures. Oh please, oh please, oh please. I'd buy Republic troopers in a heartbeat. They're nothing but pure badass.
Watch the trailer, and just imagine the troopers, Jedi, vehicles, bounty hunters, Sith... I'd buy everything Hasbro threw at us from this game I think. It just feels so much more like the OT, than the PT did.
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If only the CW cartoon was this awesome.....
Even if the game sucks I would love figures from all of the trailers. All of them are Star Trekish carbon copies of characters we know but they are likeable. I really like the human Cad Bane/Han Solo dude. Cool ship too!
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Is that Gunslinger/Han character Zeerid from the Deception book? I'm not done with the book yet but there were bits in the clip that reminded of him. Based on Malgus' appearance this clip is from before the book, and before the other trailers. Also, the Twilek that he checks out in the hallway, is that Malgus' girlfriend/servant?
Not sure I'll get into the game, but fantastic video.
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Cad Solo or Han Bane...
You know, Lucas should consider abandoning the live action series idea (that will never happen anyway because of costs), and making a show like these trailers. Probably as expensive as making a live-action series, though!
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But it would look way more stylized than the live action show ever could. I could go for a TV show that looked like that.
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Interesting that in each successive cinematic trailer Darth Malgus looks less and less battle ravaged. And in this new trailer he appears to take out his Sith Master! Either way, it seems like Darth Malgus would be a natural for any kind of a figure line.
Video games certainly seem like they're fertile ground for new EU characters. Especially since the games do reach such a broad audience. The trailers are nothing short of spectacular! But are they sufficient enough source material to generate a figure line when the game is a massive-multiplayer online role play game. By it's definition, the game prompts the players to create their own characters. Will some of the trailer characters exist within the gaming universe, or will they remain in some of the associated EU comics?
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Wow, awesome trailer...very entertaining and 5 minutes well spent.
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Cad Solo or Han Bane...
You know, Lucas should consider abandoning the live action series idea (that will never happen anyway because of costs), and making a show like these trailers. Probably as expensive as making a live-action series, though!
Don't forget about Obi-Kolar!
I agree completely I would actually be fine if the animations was this killer instead of a live action show. These special effects look better than the prequel movies.
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Ugh...was I the only one who thought this trailer was just...corny? It's everything I hate about most modern day genre entertainment. The "angst" --- the slow-mo martial arts moves---and, it is just a retread of everything we've wever seen. Even the smuggler ship is a Falcon "type" ship. I agree that the prequels weren't fantastic. But they at least had the guts to be different.
I don't have time to go into every detail...but why does the male Jedi stay and fight? What's the point. He and the girl could have made it to the ship.
Second...I couldn't tell who was fighting who in the shootout. The good guys and the bad guys both are armored up. That's just bad design work.
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Mike, I remember when KOTOR came out, the reason they set the events in the distant past was to give you the same feeling of Star Wars without worrying about ******* around with the canon. That was the actual intent for Bioware, and they nailed it. It had the same spirit as the OT, but also took elements from the PT. I played both KOTOR games, and they definitely had just as strong (if not stronger) storytelling than the PT...and the fun and excitement of the OT.
However, the also had a lot of their own character design. The Republic troops (http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/starwars/images/thumb/8/87/Kotor_manaan_rep_soldier.jpg/175px-Kotor_manaan_rep_soldier.jpg) looked more like the rebel fleet troopers than these clone-esque soldiers. And the Sith troopers (http://images.wikia.com/starwars/images/4/45/SithTroopDiscuss.jpg) had a look all their own, with a reflective chrome armor...a figure I'd really like to see made.
The Millenium Falcon type ship is supposed to be exactly that. It's a smuggler's vessel that follows the same kind of feel as the Millenium Falcon to reinforce the feeling that you're playing your own Star Wars saga. Even the name, the Ebon Hawk, sounds Millenium Falcon-ish. And the little droid, T3, gives you the sense that you're adventuring with R2D2. All the basic elements in KOTOR were sort of like stand-ins for elements in the SW saga.
Hell, they even had a "holy ****" moment similar to the "I am your father" scene.
That said, I don't know how good this game is going to be...it seems like it has potential, but I have a Mac and an Xbox360...neither of which is any help playing this. Besides, MMORPG aren't really my thing. I like something with a strong, cohesive storyline, and those online worlds seem more like fancy chat rooms than games.
Definite figure possibilities though!
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Yeah, that's kind of the point of the KOTOR/TOR universe... It's Star Wars that people love, but in a time that avoids the problems the game faces while trying to make it what the fans want.
For instance, Star Wars Galaxies (the first MMORPG for SW) came out, and it was a cool enough concept except that everyone wanted to become a saber-wielding Jedi or Sith type guy, and tons of people were acheiving it... All well and good except the game was set in the Original Trilogy timeline.
Like Lando mentioned, the original KOTOR was "original", but you had obvious tie-ins to the things that make Star Wars what it is, so people actually were interested in it who liked Star Wars. And it fit with other EU things too... The Millenium Falcon-ish ships are just Correllian designs, basically. It's in a lot of EU at this point that Correllian Engineering Corportation has been around the galaxy for eons, and the "disc" is kind of their trademark for small fast ships. The Falcon itself is even pretty old, ultimately, and just part of a long series of vehicles with similar design elements. I like to think of it like a Mustang... Around a long time, lots of different changes, but fundamentally the same or similar.
The troopers are weird... TOR appears to be showing an evolution in the armor that the Republic/main government uses. It's clearly bulkier compared to Clone armor in the PT, which obviously shows some evolution compared to the Stormtroopers... I can buy that KOTOR Republic Troopers and TOR Troopers exist at the same time though, despite the style differences. I'd gladly take both styles from both games (I've wanted KOTOR Sith and Republic Troopers for ages) though.
The SIth armor's a big difference though, at least from what we've seen so far of Sith Troopers in TOR compared to KOTOR. There's always some excuse you can BS though.
For what TOR is doing, or at least what they show off anyway, I'm always impressed... To the point I'd fully support a line of figures strictly for the game, so long as they're to-scale with what we currently have. The game's basic formula though, is to give people the Star Wars experience they want without the hinderence of there supposedly only being a couple Jedi left in the galaxy, and Vader/Palpatine are the only bad Sithy people, and the movie's relatively strict plot. For the growth of MMORPG's it's really a rock and a hard place for them to have to try to fit into that mold it seems. The Old Republic Era really lets the writers let loose though.
The other option is the distant future era, I guess, as far as a looser control for the gamers... That era seems to be pretty uninteresting to a lot of folks though, so I'm glad they went back to what worked (KOTOR) instead of trying to go into something like the Legacy Era with Luke's grandkid or whatever.
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I don't have time to go into every detail...but why does the male Jedi stay and fight? What's the point. He and the girl could have made it to the ship.
Jedi get off on becoming martyrs. ;)
Double bladed lightsabers aren't so special anymore. Also, the throwing objects telekinetically never seems to work against other force users. I think it's just showing off.
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If Hasbro makes only one action figure from the newest trailer, please let it be Malgus' Sith Master. I don't think he looks very impressive without his helmet/mask on, he has a much sleeker Sith look wearing it.
Is it me or are there just too many similarities between this stuff and old SW stuff? I seriously thought they were ripping off Indiana Jones when they showed the first shots of the smuggler dude - then you see he looks more like Cad Bane, but his personality is that of Han Solo's! Even his ship sorta looks like the Millenium Falcon...
I do like how OT and PT stuff is blended well into these trailers. Very creative.
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I don't have time to go into every detail...but why does the male Jedi stay and fight? What's the point. He and the girl could have made it to the ship.
Jedi get off on becoming martyrs. ;)
Double bladed lightsabers aren't so special anymore. Also, the throwing objects telekinetically never seems to work against other force users. I think it's just showing off.
i'd like to see them use something like the role playing toy they had a year or 2 ago that had the normal size blade on one side and a shoto, yoda size, blade on the other