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Title: #65 Tactical Ops Trooper (501st)
Post by: Jediknight760071 on August 24, 2005, 11:42 AM
Looking at the hi-res photos on Yoda's News, it seems to me that the 501st trooper is made with an AT-TE Gunner's body, not an SA Clone body.

Wierd.
Title: Re: ROTS - #57 and beyond
Post by: Rob on August 24, 2005, 12:16 PM
Looking at the hi-res photos on Yoda's News, it seems to me that the 501st trooper is made with an AT-TE Gunner's body, not an SA Clone body.

Wierd.

Sure does look that way...

Crap.
Title: Re: ROTS - #57 and beyond
Post by: Diddly on August 24, 2005, 05:59 PM
(http://www.jedidefender.com/gallery/files/gallery/Conventions/San_Diego_Comic_Con_2005/Hasbro/DSC08428.jpg)

(http://www.galactichunter.com/absolutenm/articlefiles/4823-009.jpg)

What made them decide on this ****** change?

And what happened to "Bly will take months to remake"?
Title: Re: ROTS - #57 and beyond
Post by: Bobafett77 on August 24, 2005, 06:38 PM

I'm going to cross my fingers and hope that the 501st Clone shot was taken before SDCC. I hate that damned Gunner body and there's NO reason to use it.

Totally agree! I was REALLY looking forward to army building the heck out of the 501st but if the gunner body is used, Hasbro will have shot that straight down the tubes...
Title: Re: ROTS - #57 and beyond
Post by: Reid on August 24, 2005, 07:14 PM
Frankly I like the gunnerbody. Gotta love those ball-jointed legs. And it'll have a removable helmet if it's a gunner, now thats a good thing.And if they use the Gunner, just think, It could be worse. They could use a 1995 Stormie body. ;D
Title: Re: ROTS - #57 and beyond
Post by: Diddly on August 24, 2005, 08:06 PM
The Gunner body is okay for a figure like the Gunner, who's sole purpose is to sit and hold a giant gun controller. The problem is that it has no waist and limited arm articulation. Also, I think the hands are horribly sculpted, as he can't hold a weapon for ****. And if he can hold his gun, it's in some sort of funky sideways position. Not cool for a trooper who needs a lot of arm movement to kill a bunch of Jedi. :P
Title: Re: ROTS - #57 and beyond
Post by: Darby on August 24, 2005, 08:41 PM
The Gunner body will work fine for me.  With the leg joints, he's a lot more dynamic than the SA clone (save for the arm joints) and plus he has a removable helmet, which is always cool.
Title: Re: ROTS - #57 and beyond
Post by: Jeff on August 24, 2005, 09:51 PM
How can you guys tell it's the AT-TE Gunner body and not the #41 body?

It looks the same to me...  ???
Title: Re: ROTS - #57 and beyond
Post by: SilverZ on August 24, 2005, 11:29 PM
Take a look at the arms, Jeff. It's the preposed swivel arms from the Gunner.

You know, that has to be taken from early on. I mean, there was a ton of discussion on the figure at SDCC, and it seemed 100% that the figure was using the SA mold. I can't see why they'd change it like that.

I guess hate is a strong word to use for the Gunner. Yes, I like the hip articulation and think it should be standard on an SA figure. However, the figure is made of a softer plastic than the SA version, and he tends to not stand well without becoming bowlegged. The elbow sockets are cheap and awkward, and the swivel arms just are pointless and inferior to either the #6 or #41 versions. I just don't see the logic in reusing the mold here and a super-army builder.

Then again, they did show the Gunner body as the variant white clone in the Evo set, so logic doesn't seem to reign at Hasbro, does it?
Title: Re: ROTS - #57 and beyond
Post by: Jeff on August 24, 2005, 11:40 PM
Take a look at the arms, Jeff. It's the preposed swivel arms from the Gunner.

Yeah, now that I have my #38 and #41 in front of me to compare to the pictures, that right forearm and gaps inbetween the leg and pelvis make it seem an awful lot like the #38 body.   :-\
Title: Re: ROTS - #57 and beyond
Post by: Jesse James on August 24, 2005, 11:52 PM
Well if it's the TE Gunner I'll be in the column that won't build too huge of a 501st army actually.  I'm with those of you that feel it's generally inferior to the other two Clone Trooper sculpts.

That's not to say I completely dislike it... I have 2 in my little set-up right now and they're nice, and I'd buy some more, but I prefer the greater articulation of the two other sculpts to the lacking waist and arm articulation of the TE Gunner.  I'm hoping for the Super Articulated Sculpt (but with a rifle pack-in over the carbine).  Play the wait and see game I guess.
Title: Re: ROTS - #57 and beyond
Post by: Aucassin on August 25, 2005, 12:32 AM
How can you guys tell it's the AT-TE Gunner body and not the #41 body?

The belt isn't upside down.  ;D
Title: Re: ROTS - #57 and beyond
Post by: Darth Slothus on August 25, 2005, 12:52 AM
Does it really matter..really..? It's a ******' repainted clone
 and the only complaining that people will be doing when they release it is "I can't find it" or "I need more". I think it's funny all this complaining -you're still gonna have to get it (or an army of them). ::)

So what ..'Oh no!'..it's got swiveling arms.. then *******
by ten of them and add them to your tank gunner army and have their 'swiveling arms' all hugging each other..GEEZ! :P ::)

My only REAL concern is getting at least one each of the non-clone figs- I count 5 or 6 of the 12 only released in 1 out of the several new waves and revisions...at 1 each a case! :-\

Not only this but with all the refreshers released in the new cases.. where's my shocktroopers and black pilots? How many people need another VaderX2 or grievous or Yoda? ???

Great planning Hasbro- guess you don't want my money from senseless repacks....Wait! an Army of vaders and Yodas-excellent idea Dolts!(future pegwarmers) >:(
Title: Re: ROTS - #57 and beyond
Post by: Jesse James on August 25, 2005, 01:20 AM
Well everyone has an opinion on what's good or not, so that's "who cares" I guess Darth Slothus.  It's collector tollerance.

You think it's unimportant and that's fine of course...  Obviously I and a number of others feel the AT-TE Gunner's inferior so it's going to determine some of our buying habits on this one irregardless of how tough to find it may or may not be.  I know a less articulated sculpt is a downer for me though.  I will build a small army if I can find enough of that figure, but I know I won't be looking to build a 30+ figure army either (if they're that abundant for me) if the AT-TE Gunner's sculpt is the final choice.

I'm hoping it's the super articulated sculpt though...  That'd be my preference.  Everyone's opinion differs, so the "complaining" is only because some people's opinion on what's important doesn't line up with your own.
Title: Re: ROTS - #57 and beyond
Post by: TheBlackDog65 on August 25, 2005, 01:32 AM
For me the disapointment is huge. I like the AT TE gunner, but I LOVE the SA Clone. I really wanted the 501st in the SA Clone and still hope we see it that way. IF it is the AT TE clone, I will still get 3 to put behind my Evolutions Anakin, but I'll leave it at that.
Now, here is an idea. Suppose it is a mixed assortment that some variants are the SA Clone and some 501st come in the AT TE Clone body? Then the hunt gets interesting.
Title: Re: ROTS - #57 and beyond
Post by: Darth_Anton on August 25, 2005, 01:49 AM
Hopefully, we can take some comfort in the fact that EE posts that the images may be prototypes.

Also, where does the image come from? It looks like both Yodasnews and GH took the image from EE and slapped their watermarks on it.
Title: Re: ROTS - #57 and beyond
Post by: SilverZ on August 25, 2005, 02:05 AM
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Now, here is an idea. Suppose it is a mixed assortment that some variants are the SA Clone and some 501st come in the AT TE Clone body? Then the hunt gets interesting.

Scary, but damn that would beclever. That would be one hell of a variant!

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Also, where does the image come from? It looks like both Yodasnews and GH took the image from EE and slapped their watermarks on it.

Those are definitley Hasbro images. Looks like they lit them with the orange ROTS lighting to slap on a background like the #1-56 poster. They'll probably show up on RS, too, once they're done Photoshopping in their blue background to make the figures look like they're in Scum's possession.  ::)
Title: Re: ROTS - #57 and beyond
Post by: JesseVader08 on August 25, 2005, 02:15 AM

So what ..'Oh no!'..it's got swiveling arms.. then *******
by ten of them and add them to your tank gunner army and have their 'swiveling arms' all hugging each other..GEEZ! :P ::)


I think it would be pretty close to a consensus that the SA #41 Clone body is the best - so why wouldn't we complain when they don't use the best?
Title: Re: ROTS - #57 and beyond
Post by: MetalJedi on August 25, 2005, 04:46 AM
Does it really matter..really..? It's a ******' repainted clone
 and the only complaining that people will be doing when they release it is "I can't find it" or "I need more". I think it's funny all this complaining -you're still gonna have to get it (or an army of them). ::)

So what ..'Oh no!'..it's got swiveling arms.. then *******
by ten of them and add them to your tank gunner army and have their 'swiveling arms' all hugging each other..GEEZ! :P ::)

My only REAL concern is getting at least one each of the non-clone figs- I count 5 or 6 of the 12 only released in 1 out of the several new waves and revisions...at 1 each a case! :-\

Not only this but with all the refreshers released in the new cases.. where's my shocktroopers and black pilots? How many people need another VaderX2 or grievous or Yoda? ???

Great planning Hasbro- guess you don't want my money from senseless repacks....Wait! an Army of vaders and Yodas-excellent idea Dolts!(future pegwarmers) >:(

Could you use any more smileys to make your point across? Anyhoo. Im with the 99.9% of you who say that the SA Clone is far superior to the Gunner. Sure I have a few Gunners but all my custom clones have been with the SA.
Title: Re: ROTS - #57 and beyond
Post by: Darth_Anton on August 25, 2005, 10:37 AM

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Also, where does the image come from? It looks like both Yodasnews and GH took the image from EE and slapped their watermarks on it.

Those are definitley Hasbro images. Looks like they lit them with the orange ROTS lighting to slap on a background like the #1-56 poster. They'll probably show up on RS, too, once they're done Photoshopping in their blue background to make the figures look like they're in Scum's possession.  ::)

Okay. Then another question. When has a provided loose figure picture been different than that of the final product? In other words, is there any hope that the 501st can still be on the #41 body?
Title: Re: ROTS - #57 and beyond
Post by: Jeff on August 25, 2005, 11:01 AM
Okay. Then another question. When has a provided loose figure picture been different than that of the final product? In other words, is there any hope that the 501st can still be on the #41 body?

Most recently, it happened with the Holo Leia figure (shown with guns and final product didn't have them).

Usually though what happened with Leia is the normal case - if/when a product does change from preview photos to final product, it's usually only the accessories/paint deco that gets changed and it's hardly ever a full sculpt change.   :-\
Title: Re: ROTS - #57 and beyond
Post by: Darth Slothus on August 25, 2005, 02:24 PM
Then I wonder (not that it matters for me) if the Jeditemple assault and the single pack special ops clones will be different versions. According to you guys....whoever has the 41st version is $-I still hear alot of folks saying they'll buy multiples regardless to further my point. And this is for you, Metal Jedi, since you found it so relevant to include your non-related point here  :) ;) :D ;D >:( :( :o 8) ??? ::) :P :-[ :-X :-\ :-* :'(..what ? you must be jealous to complain...'rock out' dude (metal jedi)
Title: Re: ROTS - #57 and beyond
Post by: Jesse James on August 25, 2005, 05:17 PM
I don't think metal jedi meant to insult you by the smileys comment as it obviously did to some extent, I think he was just being "funny" as I don't believe many use smilies here aside from me...  So no need for a back-and-forth on this.

As far as the attack on Coruscant set's Clone...  I don't see how people buying multiples of either version reinforces any "point" really.  Maybe I just am misreading something, but nobody's really said they're utterly disappointed, there's just a number of people who won't buy as many if the AT-TE Gunner's body is used.  It's just that simple.

Will they buy a lot?  I don't know since I don't track their spending habits.  I can only speak for myself that I'd look to get maybe a squad of the single-pack if it's the AT-TE Gunner sculpt...  Enough to set up with an Anakin figure so they look nice enough, but not my normal 30+ I'd want if they used the SA sculpt.

If the 5-pack uses the AT-TE Gunner's sculpt I'll get the obligatory one pack maybe...  It'd be enough to put a dent in my little "squad".  I'd be hesitant to buy a LOT of that pack because of the pilot and Anakin figures in there though, even if it was the 41 sculpt.  I'd get a few perhaps...  Depends how I figure I can use the extras from the pack.  The pilot doesn't bother me, but the extra Anakin's I'd wind up with would since it's not the best Anakin figure.
Title: Re: ROTS - #57 and beyond
Post by: MetalJedi on August 26, 2005, 07:44 AM
...'rock out' dude (metal jedi)

Will do. Thanks!  ;D
Title: Re: ROTS - #57 and beyond
Post by: Darth_Anton on August 26, 2005, 11:04 AM
Okay. Then another question. When has a provided loose figure picture been different than that of the final product? In other words, is there any hope that the 501st can still be on the #41 body?

Most recently, it happened with the Holo Leia figure (shown with guns and final product didn't have them).

Usually though what happened with Leia is the normal case - if/when a product does change from preview photos to final product, it's usually only the accessories/paint deco that gets changed and it's hardly ever a full sculpt change.   :-\

Thanks.

 :'(
Title: Re: ROTS - #57 and beyond
Post by: Reid on August 26, 2005, 11:38 AM
I can see why the Big H would want to change the 501st Trooper from the SA to the Gunner body, considering Gree has the SA body too.
Title: Re: ROTS - #57 and beyond
Post by: Jeff on August 26, 2005, 11:48 AM
I can see why the Big H would want to change the 501st Trooper from the SA to the Gunner body, considering Gree has the SA body too.

Yeah, that has got to be the reason for the switch.

The manufacturing runs must have been something like:

Round 1:
#6 mold = White
#33 mold - Red
#38 mold = White
#41 mold = White

Round 2 - repaints:
#6 mold = Shocktrooper
#33 mold - Green
#38 mold = white
#41 mold = white

Round 3 - end of the line:
#6 mold = 501st (for Jedi Temple Pack)
#33 mold - Bly
#38 mold = 501st (basic)
#41 mold = Gree


I guess in order to do Gree and 501st at the same time, something had to give...  :-\
Title: Re: ROTS - #57 and beyond
Post by: Jesse James on August 26, 2005, 11:45 PM
Frankly I'd have waited on Gree then...  Or the 501st Clone basic figure (I'd wait a year or so...  Why not).  It'd be a means of mixing that sculpt in the line over and over again.

Though, ya know the ideal situation would be all variants of Clones getting released using all 3 sculpts over several years time.  I'd take a TE Gunner, #6, and #41 sculpt Clone in any flavor.
Title: Re: ROTS - #57 and beyond
Post by: Diddly on August 27, 2005, 12:13 PM
I would have preferred Gree to have the Gunner body, personally. He doesn't really do much but kneel and hold his blaster, which is what the Gunner is good for, IMO. And Gree's fig can't do much but stand around at the moment, until we get a BARC Trooper.

Also, just out of curiosity, could they have popped an ROTS Clone head on the AOTC SA Clone body ala the Target Clone? The #41 and CW Clone are pretty much the same, except for weathering and the slot for the antenna. This way we could have gotten everything SA.
Title: Re: ROTS - #57 and beyond
Post by: Ben on August 27, 2005, 01:02 PM
But that would require Hasbro to do the best job they possibly could the first time, which they're not fond of doing.
Title: Re: ROTS - #57 and beyond
Post by: Darby on August 27, 2005, 04:12 PM
But isn't Hasbro also using these same molds elsewhere?  isn't the SA body also in commission as that Stealth Trooper, and the #6 in the Jedi Temple Set?  Obviously they can spread it around, so why not with the Spec Ops trooper?
Title: Re: ROTS - #57 and beyond
Post by: Jesse James on August 28, 2005, 04:35 AM
Hasbro's been wonky with what they say is happening with Clones.  Supposedly ALL this stuff's being produced/pushed now and they're utilizing all their molds to put out all the Clones they can (while keeping plain whites mixed in).

At this point, I think they could pull extra #6's they've got making all-white Clone #6's and put it to a different paintjob (the shocktrooper needs better distribution I know).  But that's my opinion.

I really think all 3 basic Clone grunt sculpts should see all the flavors of Clone trooper at this point though...  And like they did with the 1st Target Clone, they should be utilizing the Clone Wars SA sculpt as much as possible as well.
Title: Re: ROTS - #57 and beyond
Post by: Darth_Anton on August 28, 2005, 12:01 PM
I'm just bummed that Hasbro teased us with a SA body at comi-con. :(
Title: Re: ROTS - #57 and beyond
Post by: Darth Slothus on August 28, 2005, 05:06 PM
But not surprised eh Lord Anton? ::)
Title: Re: ROTS - #57 and beyond
Post by: DoctorPadawan on August 28, 2005, 05:42 PM
Something else I noticed the other day (and it's probably the closest to Hasbro's logic for using the AT-TE Gunner body) is that Gree (using the 41 Clone body) and Bly (using the 33 Commander body) are both Collection 1 figures.  As the 41 Clone was not a Collection 2 figure, Hasbro decided to use their only Collection 2 Clone sculpt for the 501st Clone, which is for some inexplicable reason, a Collection 2 figure.

Silly?  Sure.  Stupid?  Yup.  Typical?  Exactly. :)

And for those who are disappointed with the AT-TE swivel arms on the 501st Clone, the Jedi Temple Battle Pack 501st figures are well worth the price of the set, even if you do have to get another Clone Pilot and a #2 Anakin along with them. 
Title: Re: ROTS - #57 and beyond
Post by: SilverZ on August 28, 2005, 08:36 PM
I'm going to put my faith in the final Collection 2 501st figure using the SA body, and not the Gunner body. I went looking back at the SDCC Q&A shots, and the same images that are being circulated now were used in their ppt slides -- here's the C2 slide with the 501st:

(http://www.jedidefender.com/gallery/files/gallery/Conventions/San_Diego_Comic_Con_2005/Hasbro/Hasbro_Q_and_A/DSC08862.jpg)

It's the same studio shot, Gunner body. That means those shots were done some time before July, and at the time of the show, according to Hasbro, none of the post-56 had started their runs. So, I'd wager that what was shown on the floor was closer to final than what was used in the studio shots weeks prior.

At least that's my hope.  :)
Title: Re: ROTS - #57 and beyond
Post by: Ook on August 31, 2005, 03:37 AM
I'm going to put my faith in the final Collection 2 501st figure using the SA body, and not the Gunner body. I went looking back at the SDCC Q&A shots, and the same images that are being circulated now were used in their ppt slides -- here's the C2 slide with the 501st:

(http://www.jedidefender.com/gallery/files/gallery/Conventions/San_Diego_Comic_Con_2005/Hasbro/Hasbro_Q_and_A/DSC08862.jpg)

It's the same studio shot, Gunner body. That means those shots were done some time before July, and at the time of the show, according to Hasbro, none of the post-56 had started their runs. So, I'd wager that what was shown on the floor was closer to final than what was used in the studio shots weeks prior.

At least that's my hope.  :)

That's an astute observation. Here's hoping you're right!

Do we have any idea yet when the last 12 are supposed to start showing up?
Title: Re: ROTS - #57 and beyond
Post by: Jeff on September 20, 2005, 10:08 AM
Let the speculation begin...

(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y203/xaos916/star%20wars/501a.jpg)
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y203/xaos916/star%20wars/501c.jpg)

EDIT:
These pictures were e-mailed to me, but it looks like they came from a member over at Rebelscum who got the figures early... according to him (he hasn't opened them yet) you can see the AT-TE Gunner head under the helmet and it appears that it is definitely the AT-TE Gunner sculpt.   :-\
Title: Re: ROTS - #57 and beyond
Post by: DoctorPadawan on September 20, 2005, 10:11 AM
Well, that other site has reported that one of their forum members has gotten the final 5 Collection 2 figures, and the news isn't good for those of us who wanted an SA 501st.  It turns out that the figure is, as feared, a repaint of the AT-TE Gunner instead of the #41 Clone Trooper.  I can't tell from the photos if the helmet is removable or not, but he still has the bloodstained boots.

Also disappointing is the fact that the soldier is not identified on any part of the package as a member of the 501st, only as a member of "Vader's Legion."   :-\

Close Up of 501st Bubble (http://photobucket.com/albums/y203/xaos916/star%20wars/?action=view&current=501c.jpg)

Index with all the other Collection 2 figures (http://photobucket.com/albums/y203/xaos916/star%20wars/)

EDIT: Jeff beats me to the punch.   :P
Title: Re: ROTS - #57 and beyond
Post by: Jeff on September 20, 2005, 10:30 AM
EDIT: Jeff beats me to the punch.   :P

Yeah, but all I had was the pictures of the 501st that I got in an e-mail.  Thanks for the link to the index with the rest of them...    ;)

Man are those Holo figures lame.  I mean, sure I'll buy them (OCD), but that doesn't make them un-lame.  No offense to those that want to re-create a Holo Jedi Council, but I would rather have had Cody or a Mygeeto "Galactic Marine".

edit:  as an FYI, I have spun the #65 off into his own thread since I'm sure that once the word gets around, his #38 Gunner body will be a hot topic of ranting discussion...  ;)
Title: Re: #65 Tactical Ops Trooper (501st)
Post by: SpudTrooper on September 20, 2005, 12:10 PM
i like it since it has a removable helmet  8) and the blood stain, cant wait!
Title: Re: #65 Tactical Ops Trooper (501st)
Post by: CloneF13Y35 on September 20, 2005, 12:26 PM
well time to buy more SA clones when found and customize them ourselves :-\
Title: Re: #65 Tactical Ops Trooper (501st)
Post by: Darth Slothus on September 20, 2005, 12:48 PM
I guessed this would be a gunner body a while back(remember Anton -we talked about it) ::)-makes sense it was the only mold H hadn't reused yet ::)
Prepare to see the JTA value go up now as more folks would rather a #6 like this then a gunner!

Interestingly the leg stripes and wrist stripes in blue are on this figure making the JTA version different-purposedly making/creating more interest/controversy for Hasbro. ::) 
Title: Re: #65 Tactical Ops Trooper (501st)
Post by: Bobafett77 on September 20, 2005, 01:12 PM
Well I have to admit, it looks better than I thought it would (if this is legit). Now lets just hope they show up in good numbers.
Title: Re: #65 Tactical Ops Trooper (501st)
Post by: Darth_Anton on September 20, 2005, 01:52 PM
Crud.  :(
Title: Re: #65 Tactical Ops Trooper (501st)
Post by: Dressel Rebel on September 20, 2005, 01:54 PM
Well, of the 3 possible sculpts of ROTS clones, we got the least articulated version.

There still going to fly off the shelves like they have wings.
Title: Re: #65 Tactical Ops Trooper (501st)
Post by: Morgbug on September 20, 2005, 03:52 PM
I guessed this would be a gunner body a while back(remember Anton -we talked about it) ::)-makes sense it was the only mold H hadn't reused yet ::)


Ok, perhaps a stupid question (my only excuse is Canadian retail has been lame, so why pay attention) but what has the #41 body been re-used for?  I don't recall a repaint of that at this point. 

I'm not opposed to the #38 sculpt as much as the rest of you it would seem, though I would have preferred the #41 body. 

I'm going to put my faith in the final Collection 2 501st figure using the SA body, and not the Gunner body. I went looking back at the SDCC Q&A shots, and the same images that are being circulated now were used in their ppt slides -- here's the C2 slide with the 501st:


I'm a guessin' you should have searched your inner feelings there bud.   ;)Cynicism, while not necessarily appealing is a result of experience.  You hoped for the SA body and your optimism was duly rewarded by a slap in the face. 
Title: Re: #65 Tactical Ops Trooper (501st)
Post by: ruiner on September 20, 2005, 03:59 PM
I don't believe the #41 clone tool has been repainted (yet) ...maybe the SWshop clone and/or the Target Battle Pack?

Title: Re: ROTS - #57 and beyond
Post by: Jeff on September 20, 2005, 04:13 PM
The #41 is used for Gree...

Here is everything we've got so far...

#6 Clone Trooper:
v1 - White
v2 - Shocktrooper
v3 - 501st (K-Mart Jedi Temple Assault BP)

#33 Clone Commander:
v1 - Red
v2 - Green
v3 - Yellow (#57 Commander Bly)

#34 Clone Pilot:
v1 - White/Gray
v2 - Black

#38 AT-TE Gunner:
v1 - White
v2 - 501st (#65 Tactical Ops Trooper)

#41 Clone Trooper:
v1 - White
v2 - Green (#59 Commander Gree)

#49 Commander Bacarra:
v1 - Maroon/Red
v2 - Blue/Gray (Target Clone Attack BP)

CW SA Clone Trooper Mold (with new RotS Clone Head)
v1 - Target Clone Trooper
v2 - Target Utapau Stealth Trooper
v3 - SWShop Covert Ops Trooper

Deluxe Jet Pack Clone
v1 - White (Deluxe w/Jetpack)
v2 - Gray (Target Clone Attack BP)

I think that's all so far... (not counting the Deluxe Figures, Evolutions, or Pack-Ins).
Title: Re: #65 Tactical Ops Trooper (501st)
Post by: Darth Slothus on September 20, 2005, 04:29 PM
Thanks Jeff you beat me to their answer- yes, if you include the target clones #41 used 4 times!!! ::)
Title: Re: #65 Tactical Ops Trooper (501st)
Post by: Morgbug on September 20, 2005, 04:38 PM
Thanks Jeff you beat me to their answer- yes, if you include the target clones #41 used 4 times!!! ::)

And those Target clones, for the most part, are a phenomenal waste of that sculpt.  Really, how many Target clones are loose relative to those that stay on the card?  A minority I'd suggest.  No idea at all why they'd waste #41 on that and not use #6 or #38 ???

Either way, thanks for the breakdown. 
Title: Re: #65 Tactical Ops Trooper (501st)
Post by: Jeff on September 20, 2005, 04:47 PM
Actually, just to be clear, the Target Clones are NOT #41 Clones.  They are the Clone Wars SA Sculpt with a new RotS Head.  It is totally different from the #41 Sculpt (the obvious difference being the lack of the antennae).

I agree though, they should have used that Target sculpt for the 501st and used the #38 for the "Utapau Shadow Clone" or Covert Ops Clone instead.  Why does the Utapau Shadow Clone get the best (IMHO) Clone Body, while the 501st get the AT-TE Body?   :-\
Title: Re: #65 Tactical Ops Trooper (501st)
Post by: Darth Slothus on September 20, 2005, 05:12 PM
Actually, just to be clear, the Target Clones are NOT #41 Clones.  They are the Clone Wars SA Sculpt with a new RotS Head.  It is totally different from the #41 Sculpt (the obvious difference being the lack of the antennae).

The Clone is still SA and that is where I draw the line/IMO same difference

I definately would want a more playable SA in the basic line over the ..very breakable tank gunner body-oh well

I'm dissapointed in this too.
Title: Re: #65 Tactical Ops Trooper (501st)
Post by: SilverZ on September 20, 2005, 05:36 PM
I guess Hasbro realized they can hold off on the SA body for eventual and inevitable exclusive packs, and resell of the 501st through some place like EE for outrageously over inflated prices instead of just giving us quality up front at a standard price.

I'm sorry, but I can't get behind the AT-TE Gunner body. I still think its faults outweigh its strengths.

 >:(
Worst. News. Today.
Title: Re: #65 Tactical Ops Trooper (501st)
Post by: Diddly on September 20, 2005, 05:46 PM
Dammit. >:(

As I've said earlier in the thread, the Gunner body has a kickass lower half, but a mega crappy upper half. He can't even hold his gun very well, and can't stay standing either.

And they STILL don't give a Clone his rifle! I'm sick of those stupid Clone Carbines/early E-11s. I want the rifle that the 501st in the movie held!
Title: Re: #65 Tactical Ops Trooper (501st)
Post by: Reid on September 20, 2005, 06:06 PM

And they STILL don't give a Clone his rifle! I'm sick of those stupid Clone Carbines/early E-11s. I want the rifle that the 501st in the movie held!

Actually, most 501st held the early E-11. And I prefer it more because it's a eraly E-11.
Title: Re: #65 Tactical Ops Trooper (501st)
Post by: Darth Broem on September 20, 2005, 07:59 PM
Well I really wanted the SA version for all of the clonetroopers.  I still do not quite understand why they do not just use that version?   It's like they have some sort of problem wanting to use it.  I guess they might want to milk the rest of their molds?  I am not horribly disappointed about it.  It's certainly not going to bug me that much.  However, still it would have been nice to get an SA 501st at least.  I guess it must have something to do with cost?  Everything revolves around money afterall. 
Title: Re: #65 Tactical Ops Trooper (501st)
Post by: Ook on September 20, 2005, 08:47 PM
****.
Title: Re: #65 Tactical Ops Trooper (501st)
Post by: TheBlackDog65 on September 20, 2005, 10:48 PM
Cost is relative. If they sell less of the AT TE then they have to compute their revenue to expense for their profit. I would wonder what the profit spread on the AT TE mold vs the SA Mold is. I bet that it is minimial (which is relative dpending on how many they make). I know that I am only going to get 1 or 2 now, and leave it at that (since I have some customs I made I like, and the JTA figures which are ok). So the question comes down to would Hasbro have made more money making the SA Clone vs the AT TE clone? I don't know what their margins are so I cannot answer that. I would guess that they would have sold more SA Clones then the AT TE. Then again, most Star Wars Fans buy whatever is put out which is what I think the bottom line issue here is.
Title: Re: #65 Tactical Ops Trooper (501st)
Post by: Darby on September 20, 2005, 11:22 PM
I don't mind the AT TE Gunner body as much as some, but that said, I'll only get 2.  I think using any thing less than the SA body at this point is just plain silly.
Title: Re: #65 Tactical Ops Trooper (501st)
Post by: Jesse James on September 21, 2005, 12:28 AM
I like the AT-TE Gunner a lot for diversity's sake, but that's comparing it agains the #6 and #41 sculpts that shipped with it.  So to that end, I'm disappointed in no really good carded 501st Clone...  SA or #6 would've suited me fine really, and I hope it happens at some point.  I'll get a handful of the TE Gunner sculpt of these but they won't be something I want more than 10 of...  I'll hope for a repaint of one of the other sculpts at some point (I don't count the 5-pack since you get stuck with 2 figures you don't necessarilly want).

BTW I agree that the Target Clone's sculpt (CW Clone with E3 helmet) is being basically wasted right now if the supposed "excuse" is true that they are low on production capabilities for Clones.  Put that baby to good use and crank out some 501st Troopers en masse for us.  Ship them alongside the TE Gunner sculpt even.
Title: Re: #65 Tactical Ops Trooper (501st)
Post by: jokabofe on September 21, 2005, 12:36 AM
I guess I'm in the minority here, but I actually like the #38 sculpt/body... the removeable helmet is a nice feature, and the sculpt is pretty good. That said, I'd have prefered the #41 Clone been used for this, but I'll take the #38 over the #6 body anyday. They could have just cranked out #6 repaints (again) and not thought twice about it, so for that at least I'm glad.

What really is the problem with the #38 Clone though? I don't understand why so many people hate this figure....  ???
Title: Re: #65 Tactical Ops Trooper (501st)
Post by: SilverZ on September 21, 2005, 01:32 AM
The arms, mostly. They're preposed in a way that is baffling when you consider the figure is a Collection 2 sculpt. You get everything you'd want out of a clone sculpt, and then you cripple it with shoddy elbow articulation and a piss-poor left shoulder joint that is on a quality level with bootlegs.

I dislike the #38 enough that I've moved the pauldrom and head thinger over to #41s, and I'm no customizer.
Title: Re: #65 Tactical Ops Trooper (501st)
Post by: ruiner on September 21, 2005, 09:39 AM
I, too, was baffled by the poor sculpt that is the AT-TE gunner.  The leg articulation is superior, but then you move up to the arms and think "WTF!"  You move the arms and they fall off and the poseability is horrible!

I'd rather have the articulation in the upper body vs. the lower body. 

Great looking figure - just poorly executed.

Title: Re: #65 Tactical Ops Trooper (501st)
Post by: DoctorPadawan on September 21, 2005, 09:48 AM
The entire torso of the AT-TE Gunner body just looks bizarre to me when you compare it with the 41 body.  Aside from the fact that it has no waist articulation at all, it seems bulkier than it should be, and as Jared mentioned, the lack/style of arm articulation and the bizarre pose is unacceptable in a Collection 2 figure.  I would give up the ball-jointed hips in a second if it meant having the pauldron and removable helmet on a SA body.

Also, the plastic they used on the AT-TE Gunner seems a lot less sturdy and of poorer quality than the plastic used on all of the Collection 1 Clones.  Since day one I've had problems with my Gunner's right arm coming loose at the elbow joint, and the knee joints in particular are a lot more loose than any of the Collection 1 Clones.  I'm really happy that I got the JTA Battle Pack now (I have no problem with the #6 Clone body personally) that I know the basic carded version is going to be based on an inferior product, both sculpt and quality-wise.
Title: Re: #65 Tactical Ops Trooper (501st)
Post by: LandotheScoundrel on September 21, 2005, 10:06 AM
Here's a great idea, why couldn't Hasbro have put the AT-TE Gunner's legs on the #41 body? Then everyone on planet Earth would be happy with their clones.
Title: Re: #65 Tactical Ops Trooper (501st)
Post by: DoctorPadawan on September 21, 2005, 11:38 AM
Here's a great idea, why couldn't Hasbro have put the AT-TE Gunner's legs on the #41 body? Then everyone on planet Earth would be happy with their clones.

Hasbro has, 99 percent of the time, always done figures that are almost perfect, but that usually have one small area that could be improved upon, thus giving them the ability to release yet another Vader/Luke/Han/Obi-Wan/etc. a few years down the line.  If they did an "ultimate" figure that made everyone happy, they'd never be able to redo that figure and have people be interested in it.

Good examples of this in recent memory:

-Evolutions Episode III Anakin (no ball jointed elbows but otherwise great)
-Evolutions Darth Maul (no ball jointed elbows but otherwise great)
-Episode III Threepio (no knee or elbow articulation, but otherwise great)
-Evolutions Darth Vader (shorter than should be but otherwise great)

If they put ball-jointed hips and a removable helmet on a 41 SA Clone body, they'd be unable to really improve upon it in future versions, and for some reason the money they could save by doing that to begin with and just cranking out more and more of them as demand, well, demands it instead of devoting more money to a new mold with a minor improvement doesn't enter into Hasbro's minds. 

I think they were fully aware that people wanted the 41 Clone body, and instead of doing that to begin with, they used an inferior mold so they could go back and rerelease it on the 41 body in a few years.  That way, they'd get more money out of the Tank Gunner mold, they'd get big sales (assuming retail actually gets these in any decent amount) out of the box, and still be guaranteed sales a few years from now with the 41 body being used.   :-\
Title: Re: #65 Tactical Ops Trooper (501st)
Post by: Darby on September 21, 2005, 01:44 PM
I can almost understand Hasbro's reluctance to do the ultimate figure of anything, since they probably don't want to put a cap on something when they think they have years left in the line.  But with the clones, any one ultimate body will yield massive results, as we see just from the exclusive bonanza this year.  Hasbro can make an ultimate clone and repaint him indefinitely, which has to be cheaper than making a new body every single time.
Title: Re: #65 Tactical Ops Trooper (501st)
Post by: DoctorPadawan on September 21, 2005, 04:35 PM
I can almost understand Hasbro's reluctance to do the ultimate figure of anything, since they probably don't want to put a cap on something when they think they have years left in the line.

The thing that I was wondering about though is this: if Hasbro did an "ultimate" version of a main character, wouldn't it save them money in the long run by having one figure they could rerelease 14000 times so they wouldn't have any need to go back and do a completely new mold every time they wanted to release it?

Let's say that Hasbro said "Let's do the ultimate ROTS-era Obi-Wan Kenobi" (which in my eyes, they've done with the Pilot Obi-Wan).  The figure is perfect in every way, with no real room for improvement outside of possibly a cloth cloak.  Due to this figure being made, they never again have to do a new mold of ROTS-era Obi-Wan because they always have the "perfect" mold to fall back on.  This frees up more development dollars that they would have spent on another mold, and they can make more characters that normally wouldn't get made.

Even though the SA Obi-Wan might be a bit more costly now that it's a new piece, in a hypothetical 10 years from now, they will still be making money on it from collectors both old and new: old collectors will buy it due to the packaging change, and new collectors will be thrilled to get a great Obi-Wan from ROTS that doesn't kick or slash.  I would think it would cost Hasbro less and in turn, give them more profit in the long-run to do one perfect sculpt and reissue, reissue, reissue, than it would to do 10 different sculpts of the same character with not a single one achieving perfection.

If you look at the Clones released thus far in the ROTS line, a lot of money could have been saved had Hasbro simply had a SA Clone body that they could repaint 50 thousand times into all the different batallions.  Use the same body and head for the Utapau clones, the Coruscant gray clones, the Shocktroopers, the 501st, and any other EU Clone designs, and be done with it.  Instead, they release two different Clone sculpts (6 and 41), they rerelease the CW SA Clone body with a ROTS head, and keep cranking out those EU PVC 3-packs.

I think the truth of the matter is that Hasbro had a mold (the AT-TE Gunner) that although it had some obvious flaws, had only been utilized once while the other Clone molds had been used two or three times already.  Instead of using the 41 mold for the third time, they would rather use the 38 mold for the second time, so they could get more money out of that mold.  But then if they'd only done one Clone Grunt mold to begin with, they'd be making far more money off that mold than they would off 4 different Clone Trooper molds rereleased multiple times.
Title: Re: #65 Tactical Ops Trooper (501st)
Post by: jokabofe on September 21, 2005, 07:00 PM
But then if they'd only done one Clone Grunt mold to begin with, they'd be making far more money off that mold than they would off 4 different Clone Trooper molds rereleased multiple times.

Exactly. They should have just made the #41 Clone with the #38 legs and removable helmet from the start. And then they could have gone re-paint crazy with it - Shocktroopers, Commanders in every color of the Rainbow, Bly, Gree, 501st... I could go on and on, and so could Hasbro. And I think that would have made at least 90% of the people happy.., because we all know that you can't please all the people, all the time.
Title: Re: #65 Tactical Ops Trooper (501st)
Post by: SilverZ on September 21, 2005, 07:01 PM
I think part of the reason your logical (and well thought out) plan does not figure into Hasbro’s current release strategy are, unfortunately, the marketing minds – opposed to product development or even (gasp) financial ones -- driving the line. My personal belief is that a PD person would be in touch enough to know that consumers will want the SA Clone for this particular variant, as it allows for the most movie-accurate pose recreations. From a financial perspective, keeping one version of a figure in constant production, with only paint application variations in rotation, would presumably be more cost effective than using multiple toolings and paint variations during wholly separate runs over time.

Or so I would, in my toy production and manufacturing ignorance, have the balls to presume.

I’ve got to think that someone stepped in and thought the #38 body would be good from a line variety standpoint, in some misguided idea that, as you detailed, sculpt variety on the clones trumps logical implementation of the appropriate sculpt.

I never saw a 501st in the film with a removable helmet, but I saw some standing, some kneeling, some reeling over backwards being hacked apart, and overall just running rampant in the Jedi Temple. I’d like a figure that can do as much of that as possible. The #41 can address most of that. The #38 can do a lot of that, providing he keeps both hands on his gun and drawn at all times.

There was obviously every intention of using the SA clone body for the figure at some point. Unless paint samples are a separate enough process that using “similar” figures is an acceptable practice. I can’t imagine they painted a #41 just for the hell of it or to just **** with us… Would they?

This would all be much less dramatic if they had shown a sample at CC05 using the body intended for production. This means they had two incorrect figures there – this, and the AOTC Evo Clone using the #38 body. Odd.
Title: Re: #65 Tactical Ops Trooper (501st)
Post by: Ook on September 21, 2005, 07:26 PM
I might buy 2 of these, but they just don't cut it. After the shock trooper, I've sworn off those ****** #6s. I'll be learning to paint real soon.
Title: Re: #65 Tactical Ops Trooper (501st)
Post by: Jeff on October 3, 2005, 10:59 AM
Hasbro must have heard that all the fans aren't planning on buying as many of these as the once thought...

I was checking EE this morning to look for new stuff and I noticed that they made a few changes to the case assortments for wave 6. 

Most notably, the wave 1, revision 0 case no longer will have 3x #65 501st Clone.  Instead there will be 1x #18 C-3PO and 2x #65.   That seems like a really strange substitution... take out a clone, add a 3PO?  :-\

Also, the revision 1 case which had 2x #65 and a bunch of repacks was CANCELLED.   :-\

Title: Re: #65 Tactical Ops Trooper (501st)
Post by: Darth_Anton on October 3, 2005, 12:49 PM
Hasbro must have heard that all the fans aren't planning on buying as many of these as the once thought...

I was checking EE this morning to look for new stuff and I noticed that they made a few changes to the case assortments for wave 6. 

Most notably, the wave 1, revision 0 case no longer will have 3x #65 501st Clone.  Instead there will be 1x #18 C-3PO and 2x #65.   That seems like a really strange substitution... take out a clone, add a 3PO?  :-\

Also, the revision 1 case which had 2x #65 and a bunch of repacks was CANCELLED.   :-\



Sounds like bad news to me. I sincerely hope that these hit while I'm on the east coast, maybe I'll have a better shot at getting them.
Title: Re: #65 Tactical Ops Trooper (501st)
Post by: jokabofe on October 3, 2005, 11:21 PM
Sounds like bad news to me. I sincerely hope that these hit while I'm on the east coast, maybe I'll have a better shot at getting them.

HA!!

Don't count on it. Most of the "new" stuff I get is from some of the So Cal guys here in this forum...
Title: Re: #65 Tactical Ops Trooper (501st)
Post by: Darth_Anton on October 3, 2005, 11:29 PM
I don't know. I know I'm jinxing myself for saying it, but it seems every time I take a trip back East, I find everything I can't find out here. :P
Title: Re: #65 Tactical Ops Trooper (501st)
Post by: Jesse James on October 4, 2005, 12:55 AM
I ain't findin' squat out here, but maybe that's further east that gets all the good stuff Anton?

I have to admit I did find SOME figs tonight but no Clones unfortunately.
Title: Re: #65 Tactical Ops Trooper (501st)
Post by: TheBlackDog65 on October 8, 2005, 08:25 AM
We have not had these hit in Utah (yet, maybe this am), and usually we get stuff rather quick here. The Lava guys hit as have the 5 Jedi Temple Assult figs (they are in the back and DCPI works if you want em).  We know they have hit So. Cal and the Bay Area, so hopefully soon we'll all see em. My fear as always on this wave is that it will be a one hit wonder and if you don't find em, you loose out on some (guess I'm lucky since all I want now is 1 Tact. Ops and 1 R4).

I have say though after reading the reviews on other sites about this figure, I have taken my count down to 1. I have 2 JTA and the number six clone, though not perfect due to the action feature, is a far better version than the AT TE. One guy reported that the arm things is still in affect. 
Title: Re: #65 Tactical Ops Trooper (501st)
Post by: Ryan on October 8, 2005, 06:04 PM
The final wave hit in Colorado, I had a friend find Aayla, Plo, the Astro Droid, the Wookiee, and the 501st trooper.
Title: Re: #65 Tactical Ops Trooper (501st)
Post by: TheBlackDog65 on October 9, 2005, 08:31 AM
May I inquire what store this hit? I am assuming Target but assumptions like guns can be dangerous, so I thought I would clarify.
Title: Re: #65 Tactical Ops Trooper (501st)
Post by: Ryan on October 9, 2005, 03:56 PM
May I inquire what store this hit? I am assuming Target but assumptions like guns can be dangerous, so I thought I would clarify.

They were found at a Target.
Title: Re: #65 Tactical Ops Trooper (501st)
Post by: Darth Slothus on October 9, 2005, 10:24 PM
I'm not concerned about picking this up- They already hit @  my Target with one case and I missed out- I'm really not concerned since my area x2 Targets typically only stock 1-2 cases of a wave while the x4Wal Marts usually stock 8-20 cases at a time! I likely will get x10-20 troopers and 1 ea of the rest as usual ::)

If I wanted to- I COULD have grabbed X40 grees and X40 blys on the night before the 1st of Oct when all my wal marts HAD tons (and I had no competition). Instead I only took x4 each
Title: Re: #65 Tactical Ops Trooper (501st)
Post by: Jeff on October 10, 2005, 03:47 PM
So, for those who have found it, what is the deal with the head? 

I keep hearing mixed reports - the helmet is glued on, the helmet is removable, the helmet is a standard ROTS head?   ???

Anyone have one open yet?  All I keep seeing are carded photos...  :-\
Title: Re: #65 Tactical Ops Trooper (501st)
Post by: Ryan on October 10, 2005, 10:04 PM
The helmet is removable according to the guy I know who found it.
Title: Re: #65 Tactical Ops Trooper (501st)
Post by: SpudTrooper on October 10, 2005, 10:55 PM
im surprised no one has opened one yet or no pictures of them loose, probably posting them on ebay and making $$  >:(
Title: Re: #65 Tactical Ops Trooper (501st)
Post by: rishakra on October 11, 2005, 06:48 PM
I have a theory that >50% of the people that buy the 1st case or 2 of the newest figures are just out for profit on Ebay or somesuch.  I'm such a cynic...  I found a Gree at a Target today and a VOTC Fett at a Tuesday Morning (weird but fun!)  I had Gree out of the stinking package by the time I closed the door to my car  :D  I wish there was a way to get figures loose or on hosed cards if you want.   Maybe it would  be easier for us openers to get the armies of troopers I so badly want.   Eg. Love the Utupau Target Stealth trooper...HATE the fact that he comes in a "special" package that makes it $$$$$$$$$  >:(

Blake
Title: Re: #65 Tactical Ops Trooper (501st)
Post by: rishakra on October 12, 2005, 10:45 AM
Finally I get to see that the helmet is removable!

http://www.rebelscum.com/ROTS0565tactical.asp

Blake
Title: Re: #65 Tactical Ops Trooper (501st)
Post by: ruiner on October 12, 2005, 01:30 PM
Sweet Jesus!  Leave it to Hasbro to use the worst mold to produce the coolest clone from the movie!

Don't get me wrong, he'll still sell - but collectors are going to be disappointed when it comes to poseability.

Title: Re: #65 Tactical Ops Trooper (501st)
Post by: Reid on October 12, 2005, 03:50 PM
Sweet Jesus!  Leave it to Hasbro to use the worst mold to produce the coolest clone from the movie!

Don't get me wrong, he'll still sell - but collectors are going to be disappointed when it comes to poseability.



At least they didn't use the 1995 Stormie body with a ROTS head... But the Gunner sculpt, save the non articulated-but-I-don't-care arms, the gunner sculpt is up to par with the SA sculpt.
Title: Re: #65 Tactical Ops Trooper (501st)
Post by: SilverZ on October 12, 2005, 04:21 PM
I seriously wonder what the hell the reasoning is behind the red dust/blood/whatever on the boots, still. It makes less sense than the choice of sculpt for the figure. That looks terrible standing with the Kmart Clones. If they wanted to add paint detail, they should have used scoring similar to the Evo clones or Bly, which would at least make some sort of sense.

I'm putting this down as a completely blown opportunity. I hope scalpers choke on this turd.
Title: Re: #65 Tactical Ops Trooper (501st)
Post by: Jeff on October 12, 2005, 04:24 PM
I seriously wonder what the hell the reasoning is behind the red dust/blood/whatever on the boots, still.

Yeah, looking at it again, I just don't get that either.

I'm starting to think that maybe I should just call this guy "Commander Appo" and that way I would only need one of him since he was a Commander and not a grunt - it'd be an easy way to play off the paint difference between him and the K-Mart grunts too....   :P

Title: Re: #65 Tactical Ops Trooper (501st)
Post by: Ook on October 12, 2005, 04:28 PM
I'm starting to think that maybe I should just call this guy "Commander Appo" and that way I would only need one of him since he was a Commander and not a grunt - it'd be an easy way to play off the paint difference between him and the K-Mart grunts too....   :P



That's what I was just thinking today. Either way I'm not getting more than 2 of these. And since I refuse to buy any more #6s since the shocktrooper, it looks like I'm finally going to have to develop some painting skill...
Title: Re: #65 Tactical Ops Trooper (501st)
Post by: TheBlackDog65 on October 12, 2005, 09:28 PM
Hmmm . . . I think I only want one of these and use him as a sergenant or something like that since I have 2 JTA packs. That is IF I can find em. Hopefully they come into abundance at Walmart soon! I do think Walmart may not do alot until the end of the month near the DVD release.
Title: Re: #65 Tactical Ops Trooper (501st)
Post by: Jayson on October 12, 2005, 09:40 PM
Not to mention too that this new fig. has the double stripes on the legs and the Kmart 501st clones don't. It makes it easy to buy only a couple of this dude and call it a day.
Title: Re: #65 Tactical Ops Trooper (501st)
Post by: Ryan on October 12, 2005, 10:20 PM
When these were going to be SA I wanted 30+ of them. Then when we found out it would be a tank gunner repaint I only wanted around 10, the more I look at it the fewwer I want. I think I want maybe 2 now. Hasbro completely blew it with this figure.
Title: Re: #65 Tactical Ops Trooper (501st)
Post by: SpudTrooper on October 12, 2005, 10:48 PM
When these were going to be SA I wanted 30+ of them. Then when we found out it would be a tank gunner repaint I only wanted around 10, the more I look at it the fewwer I want. I think I want maybe 2 now. Hasbro completely blew it with this figure.

i totally agree  :( the only thing i like about the AT- Gunner is the removable helmet and the base but it just cant compare with the SA one. Maybe the SA mold on Commander Cody in 2006?  8)
Title: Re: #65 Tactical Ops Trooper (501st)
Post by: Ryan on October 12, 2005, 11:03 PM
When these were going to be SA I wanted 30+ of them. Then when we found out it would be a tank gunner repaint I only wanted around 10, the more I look at it the fewwer I want. I think I want maybe 2 now. Hasbro completely blew it with this figure.

i totally agree  :( the only thing i like about the AT- Gunner is the removable helmet and the base but it just cant compare with the SA one. Maybe the SA mold on Commander Cody in 2006?  8)

I hope not. Cody's armor is different than a normal clone, I hope Cody is SA but it needs to be an all new sculpt.
Title: Re: #65 Tactical Ops Trooper (501st)
Post by: Jeff on October 13, 2005, 06:20 PM
Well, I found these today over lunch.  After opening my first one, I decided that he is much better than I was expecting so I went ahead and opened the other one I bought. 
 
(http://www.jedidefender.com/jsmentek/photos/tn_501squad.jpg) (http://www.jedidefender.com/image.pl?http://www.jedidefender.com/jsmentek/photos/501squad.jpg)

They match up pretty well with the K-Mart Clones in color which is nice (I wasn't expecting that after seeing that the Bly/Evo paints were off-key).  Also, it feels like the joints on these guys are stronger.  Compared to the AT-TE Gunners I've got, the 501 Clones arms stay in the sockets much better, which is a nice surprise.

The red stuff on the feet is a little lame, but I guess there is nothing I can do about it.... I still wonder why they did that since the 501st were pretty much only on Coruscant from what I understood.   :-\

The helmet is definitely removable, and the clone underneath still has that "vacant" open-mouthed stare that the AT-TE Gunner had.  I guess I like the removable helmet, so it's a plus. 

Despite the limits of the arms on the #38 sculpt, they are still pretty cool Clones and I'm glad I found them. 

And, just in case Hasbro's reading... even though I've got 5 blue clones, I'd still be willing to buy a few 501st repaints of the #41 Trooper to fill out my squad!


Title: Re: #65 Tactical Ops Trooper (501st)
Post by: DoctorPadawan on October 13, 2005, 07:34 PM
The red stuff on the feet is a little lame, but I guess there is nothing I can do about it.... I still wonder why they did that since the 501st were pretty much only on Coruscant from what I understood.   :-\

"The halls of the Jedi Temple will run red with BLOOD!"  So yeah, it's the most subliminally gory SW action figure ever made.  He is literally knee-deep in midicholrians.  :)

Now here's to hoping I can find one!  :P
Title: Re: #65 Tactical Ops Trooper (501st)
Post by: TheBlackDog65 on October 14, 2005, 12:24 AM
Jeff,

Thanks for the pictures and input. I am still leaning to only 1 if/when I can find these. I have 2 JTA sets so 2 clones here might work, a non-com leader for a squad. Problem is I would say I need 1 for the six JTA's,  but your two look really good with the three to make out a squad. So, once Monday comes and I can hunt Target hopefully I will find one or 2 of these.

Maybe a question, if you have 6 from the JTA and someone were to miss these, would you think it a great loss?
Title: Re: #65 Tactical Ops Trooper (501st)
Post by: Bobafett77 on October 14, 2005, 10:25 AM
Well, I found these today over lunch.  After opening my first one, I decided that he is much better than I was expecting so I went ahead and opened the other one I bought. 
 
(http://www.jedidefender.com/jsmentek/photos/tn_501squad.jpg) (http://www.jedidefender.com/image.pl?http://www.jedidefender.com/jsmentek/photos/501squad.jpg)

They match up pretty well with the K-Mart Clones in color which is nice (I wasn't expecting that after seeing that the Bly/Evo paints were off-key).  Also, it feels like the joints on these guys are stronger.  Compared to the AT-TE Gunners I've got, the 501 Clones arms stay in the sockets much better, which is a nice surprise.

The red stuff on the feet is a little lame, but I guess there is nothing I can do about it.... I still wonder why they did that since the 501st were pretty much only on Coruscant from what I understood.   :-\

The helmet is definitely removable, and the clone underneath still has that "vacant" open-mouthed stare that the AT-TE Gunner had.  I guess I like the removable helmet, so it's a plus. 

Despite the limits of the arms on the #38 sculpt, they are still pretty cool Clones and I'm glad I found them. 

And, just in case Hasbro's reading... even though I've got 5 blue clones, I'd still be willing to buy a few 501st repaints of the #41 Trooper to fill out my squad!



I saw the break down of what you bought when you found these in the recent purchases thread. Is that the case asst that you found or was that all that was left? Curious because I thought that case asst had been cancelled  ???
Title: Re: #65 Tactical Ops Trooper (501st)
Post by: Jeff on October 14, 2005, 10:35 AM
I saw the break down of what you bought when you found these in the recent purchases thread. Is that the case asst that you found or was that all that was left? Curious because I thought that case asst had been cancelled  ???

What I posted is just the stuff I bought.

Based on what was left-over on the pegs when I was done grabbing what I needed (2x C-3PO, 2x Meena, 2x Blue Guard, 2x Jett, 2x Utapau, 1x Astromech), I'd say that my Target got 2 of the cases that looked like this:

1x #18 C-3PO
1x #23 Royal Guard (BLUE)
1x #47 Meena Tills
1x #53 Utapaun Warrior
1x #52 Zett Jukassa
1x #64/68 Wookiee Heavy Gunner
2x #65 Tactical Ops Clone Trooper
1x #66 Plo Koon
1x #67 Aayla Secura
2x #68/64 R4-P17 Astromech

Based on what I bought and what was left over, it looked like one person beat me to the figures and bought 1x each of the new figures...
Title: Re: #65 Tactical Ops Trooper (501st)
Post by: Mikey D on October 14, 2005, 01:09 PM
I found a lone 501st trooper today.  Nothing new was on the shelves.  I have no idea what the case assortment could have been, the only other things on the shelves were Neiomodian Warriors (which have been there forever), a few Obi Pilots, Darth Vaders and a few other misc figures.
Title: Re: #65 Tactical Ops Trooper (501st)
Post by: CHEWIE on October 14, 2005, 02:13 PM
Hmmm... for some reason, this figure just doens't "do it" for me.  I prefer painting my own.

Nice to see you found them though Jeff.

 :P
Title: Re: #65 Tactical Ops Trooper (501st)
Post by: TheBlackDog65 on October 15, 2005, 10:14 AM
Has anyone seen this line hitting Walmart yet? I am thinking that this coming week should be about right since we are moving towards the DVD release now. I sure hope so because Walmart tends to carry more cases then Target, and its easier to get new stuff at Walmart then Target.
Title: Re: #65 Tactical Ops Trooper (501st)
Post by: Darth Broem on October 15, 2005, 10:55 AM
Hmmm... for some reason, this figure just doens't "do it" for me.  I prefer painting my own.

Nice to see you found them though Jeff.

 :P

Because they used the wrong figure to repaint :) 
Title: Re: #65 Tactical Ops Trooper (501st)
Post by: Darth_Anton on October 15, 2005, 05:19 PM
Has anyone seen this line hitting Walmart yet? I am thinking that this coming week should be about right since we are moving towards the DVD release now. I sure hope so because Walmart tends to carry more cases then Target, and its easier to get new stuff at Walmart then Target.

I was wondering and thinking the same thing.
Title: Re: #65 Tactical Ops Trooper (501st)
Post by: Ook on October 15, 2005, 08:04 PM
I scored 2 today, and I'm a lot more impressed than I expected. They really do look fantastic, crap arms or not. I passed a third one onto another guy in the store, but now I wish I'd have bought it. I think I want 4 or 5 total. I also picked up some paint and brushes at Walmart, though. I'm gonna try my hand at deco'ing a few #41s. I'm totally passing on the #6s. I hope they never repaint that one again.
Title: Re: #65 Tactical Ops Trooper (501st)
Post by: TheBlackDog65 on October 22, 2005, 11:52 PM
Anyone noticed that the legs are rather loose on these figures at their hip ball joint and socket?
One of mine is rather loose, the other is okay. Anyone have a suggestion for tightening the ball joint without loosing the mobility? I am keeping one and giving the other to my son so I want to make sure his lasts.
Title: Re: #65 Tactical Ops Trooper (501st)
Post by: Bobafett77 on October 23, 2005, 11:18 AM
The legs on mine seem pretty tight. Although I've only opened one. I figured this might be a problem since it was a problem with the AT TE Gunner too.  ::)
Title: Re: #65 Tactical Ops Trooper (501st)
Post by: Ook on October 23, 2005, 03:06 PM
Mine are all pretty decent. No complaints yet.
Title: Re: #65 Tactical Ops Trooper (501st)
Post by: Darth_Anton on October 23, 2005, 07:00 PM
Despite the fact that these are the Gunner bodies, I like this clone a lot. When I sit and think about it, he'll most likely be standing at attention anyway, so the pose works for me.

But don't tell Hasbro, I would still have liked a SA body. ;)
Title: Re: #65 Tactical Ops Trooper (501st)
Post by: SpudTrooper on October 23, 2005, 10:55 PM
i have yet to see one at retail  :-\
Title: Re: #65 Tactical Ops Trooper (501st)
Post by: SilverZ on October 23, 2005, 11:43 PM
I managed to get a couple on Friday by pulling off a miracle and having a CS person from the front pull a case. Its come to that because I'm just not having luck finding these on the shelves, either.

I still don't like this particular Clone sculpt. The trooper's right arm came off the first time I attempted to get him to grip his rifle correctly in both hands. (What other possible pose could I put him in, anyway?) I just can't get past how cheap the figure feels when compared to the SA Clone. Now, if there wasn't an SA Clone, and the only alternative was the #6 sculpt, I'd be much less harsh, but still torn between the two.

I'm going to stick with just one opener and have him flanked by Kmart Clones. I'll pin my hopes on an SA army builder set down the road.
Title: Re: #65 Tactical Ops Trooper (501st)
Post by: Scott on October 23, 2005, 11:59 PM
I'm pretty down on all of this bad news, I have a set of 3 K-Mart clones, since the #6 Clone is not too shabby in my book...its cool they still made it and all but they also blew it :-X
Title: Re: #65 Tactical Ops Trooper (501st)
Post by: Ben on October 24, 2005, 02:22 AM
I have yet to see that Kmart exclusive set. Seriously, why give an exclusive like that to the worst retailer in the US?

And I don't hold much hope for finding these single carded ones, since they'll all likely show up during the holiday season, and I hate hunting for stuff then.
Title: Re: #65 Tactical Ops Trooper (501st)
Post by: Bobafett77 on October 24, 2005, 10:37 AM
Don't get me wrong, it's not a bad figure. I just don't think that the Gunner body is something you can make a so called "grand army" out of. With the limited amount of poses you can put it into its more of a filler figure than an army builder. The JTA 501st is superior simply because of the poseabiltiy. I've opened two now and they seem to mix well with the six JTA Clones I have. I'll get maybe one or two more but can't see buying more than that.
Title: Re: #65 Tactical Ops Trooper (501st)
Post by: Ook on October 24, 2005, 11:53 AM
The trooper's right arm came off the first time I attempted to get him to grip his rifle correctly in both hands. (What other possible pose could I put him in, anyway?)

Hate it when that happens. And yeah, the arms are so limited it's ridiculous. But I have one or two aiming a pistol one-handed, Solo style (http://www.jedidigital.com/images/han-solo2.jpg). Try that.
Title: Re: #65 Tactical Ops Trooper (501st)
Post by: MetalJedi on October 24, 2005, 11:41 PM
i have yet to see one at retail  :-\

Me either. Hey Jared whats the DCPI number for Col. 2 figures? Maybe I'll have to do that myself.
Title: Re: #65 Tactical Ops Trooper (501st)
Post by: SpudTrooper on October 25, 2005, 01:18 AM
lol i actually found one today and opened it.  NOW i really wish it was the SA mold  :'( and forget about the removable helmet...DAMN legs on this dude
Title: Re: #65 Tactical Ops Trooper (501st)
Post by: MetalJedi on October 25, 2005, 01:20 AM
lol i actually found one today and opened it.  NOW i really wish it was the SA mold  :'( and forget about the removable helmet...DAMN legs on this dude

Lucky!  :)
Title: Re: #65 Tactical Ops Trooper (501st)
Post by: Darth_Anton on October 25, 2005, 01:08 PM
i have yet to see one at retail  :-\

Me either. Hey Jared whats the DCPI number for Col. 2 figures? Maybe I'll have to do that myself.

If I may jump in on Jared's behalf, the DCPI is 087 06 1328.
Title: Re: #65 Tactical Ops Trooper (501st)
Post by: Darth Slothus on October 25, 2005, 01:35 PM
do all of the 501st looked packed like his left leg looks broken or "chicken winged"? Because mine does.
Title: Re: #65 Tactical Ops Trooper (501st)
Post by: OCEAN on October 25, 2005, 04:51 PM
No, I have three of them and only one of them looks like it has a broken leg. I didnt notice it until I got home.
Title: Re: #65 Tactical Ops Trooper (501st)
Post by: MetalJedi on October 25, 2005, 08:28 PM
i have yet to see one at retail  :-\

Me either. Hey Jared whats the DCPI number for Col. 2 figures? Maybe I'll have to do that myself.

Thanks Anthony!

If I may jump in on Jared's behalf, the DCPI is 087 06 1328.
Title: Re: #65 Tactical Ops Trooper (501st)
Post by: SpudTrooper on October 25, 2005, 11:06 PM
its scary cuz it feels that the left leg might snap once u take it out of the package.
Title: Re: #65 Tactical Ops Trooper (501st)
Post by: TheBlackDog65 on October 25, 2005, 11:15 PM
If you have and an xacto knife, you can carefully cut a bigger hole and the leg comes out clean.

Stupid way to the put the figure in the bubble though.
Title: Re: #65 Tactical Ops Trooper (501st)
Post by: DarthAcroyear on October 30, 2005, 12:19 AM
I would have much rather had the #41 SA body as well or heck, even the #6 QD, but all in all I am happy to have the ones that I have gotten so far. In less the 48 hours I went from having none to finding six, being given two more as a gift, and two beyond that in trade. It's ten more of these figures then I thought I would end up with. ::)
Title: Re: #65 Tactical Ops Trooper (501st)
Post by: Ook on November 8, 2005, 01:35 AM
Hey guys, I can definitely confirm that the Tac Ops trooper will reuse the AT-TE Gunner body, since I received a reply stating such from Hasbro today.

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Title: Re: #65 Tactical Ops Trooper (501st)
Post by: Rob on November 8, 2005, 02:43 PM
I'm glad Hasbro finally cleared that up - I've got 4 Tac Ops troopers now and I've set them next to some Gunners and some #41 clones and over the last 2 weeks I haven't been able to figure it out.

Finally I can sleep peacefully.
Title: Re: #65 Tactical Ops Trooper (501st)
Post by: Stim on November 8, 2005, 08:54 PM
The 501st Troopers hit KBtoys.com late last night -- I was able to score a few before they went out of stock.  So might be a good idea to keep checking them.  They were only in stock for like 10 minutes... 
Title: Re: #65 Tactical Ops Trooper (501st)
Post by: Jesse James on November 9, 2005, 12:42 AM
Another pain in the ass clonetrooper, yay. :)

Oh man, the sarcasm in this thread burns...  IT BURNS!
Title: Re: #65 Tactical Ops Trooper (501st)
Post by: ruiner on November 9, 2005, 11:09 AM
I'm half tempted to order the case from EE.com that contains the new astromech droid, two 501st clones and the holograph figures.

I'm afraid that this wave will not hit the midwest.

 :-\
Title: Re: #65 Tactical Ops Trooper (501st)
Post by: Jeff on November 9, 2005, 11:14 AM
I'm afraid that this wave will not hit the midwest.

Just drive north a few hours - it's been appearing pretty regularily at Target here in MN.   :)

Granted, the 501st Clones are the first to go, but the Astromech and Holo-Jedi have been spotted around town a number of times and the Wookiee is getting more common.  I think by the time Christmas rolls around, these will start appearing in greater numbers. 

There are three different case assortments shipping right now for Wave 6 of Collection 2, and the 501st Clone trooper is at 2x per case in each of the 3 case packs.
Title: Re: #65 Tactical Ops Trooper (501st)
Post by: ruiner on November 9, 2005, 01:18 PM
I wonder why that is?  Your MN thread is hoppin while our IA thread is pretty slow.   I must say, you have a great bunch of collectors in your area.  I'm jealous with envy!

 :-*
Title: Re: #65 Tactical Ops Trooper (501st)
Post by: Darby on November 9, 2005, 03:08 PM
Me, too!
Title: Re: #65 Tactical Ops Trooper (501st)
Post by: Nirvana on November 9, 2005, 04:53 PM
I found one yesterday. I don't care that it's not the SA sculpt, I didn't find a Gunner before now. I love him. Especially the helmet.
Title: Re: #65 Tactical Ops Trooper (501st)
Post by: Ook on November 12, 2005, 03:58 AM
#65 Tactical Ops in Stock at Amazon! (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B000BZ4YOM/wwwjedidefend-20/)
Title: Re: #65 Tactical Ops Trooper (501st)
Post by: Ben on November 12, 2005, 05:07 AM
I've heard this wave is showing up at Sears stores with their holiday setup.

Of course, my local one DIDN'T get this wave, but for the rest of the country that doesn't get perennially ****** on Star Wars toy distribution, it's likely sitting there just waiting for you.
Title: Re: #65 Tactical Ops Trooper (501st)
Post by: Jesse James on November 12, 2005, 05:28 AM
I was in a Sears Grand for the first time the other day...  They seemed like they could get semi-current stuff in (had an RT Gunner on the pegs as I recall).  Craptacular pricing, but given their affiliations with KB Toys and K-Mart, that's to be expected I guess.   :-\

I'm a little concerned about this figure and his case-mates as well...  So far I've nabbed the Wookiee and R4 with the wrong inserts, and that's it...  Never saw these again and never saw the Holos or the 501st.  Little disconcerting since the Collection 1's are starting to clog pegs actually.
Title: Re: #65 Tactical Ops Trooper (501st)
Post by: TheBlackDog65 on November 12, 2005, 09:59 AM
I would have to agree with you Jesse. I have found him multiple times with his mates, but I fear that as we get closer and closer to December that this wave will fade into the sunset. My reasoning is at somepoint in the very near future, Hasbro will have to begin to cut back or stop ROTS shipping as retailers want to downsize the amount of space allocated to the SW line since we are moving into a non-movie year. We also have a new line that will be starting, combined with the usual January dulls due to inventory and department resets (which will make the first Saga Wave alittle harder to find initially IF the new line and 1st wave follow the historical transition patter). Personally I am done with the final 5 but I know others are still looking and I am beginning to think these just might become harder and harder from this point on also.





Title: Re: #65 Tactical Ops Trooper (501st)
Post by: rishakra on November 12, 2005, 06:49 PM
Thanks for the link Ook!  Got 2 of the Tac Ops Troopers via Amazon.com!  There has been no sign of them at retail around the DC area.  I almost ordered the R4 but I'd like to leave the rest for the thrill of the chase.
Title: Re: #65 Tactical Ops Trooper (501st)
Post by: Brian on November 16, 2005, 04:02 PM
Anyone having more luck finding these at retail?  We still have no sign of them around here, and actually the Collection 1 figures seemed to have dried up now too.  Last I checked, 2 of the 3 I still want/need (Tact Ops x2, Wookiee Heavy Gunner, R4) were in stock at Amazon, but for about $7 each.  I was tempted, but thought I'd wait to see if the Tac Ops Trooper would show up again to save on shipping if I'd order them.  Hopefully these last few won't be a pain to find, it would be nice to be all caught up and have a breather before The Saga Collection starts up.
Title: Re: #65 Tactical Ops Trooper (501st)
Post by: Kill_Solo on November 16, 2005, 04:33 PM
I scored 2 Tact Ops at Target around 12:30 today. So they are out there, I think it's just timing.
Title: Re: #65 Tactical Ops Trooper (501st)
Post by: rishakra on November 16, 2005, 07:12 PM
WRT the final five I've found 2 things at retail: Jack and SH*T!  I'm using Zen Master dicipline to force myself to wait until I see the R4-P17 at retail OR someone offers a trade  ;)  I have lots of extra HALO figures.
Title: Re: #65 Tactical Ops Trooper (501st)
Post by: Kill_Solo on November 16, 2005, 07:55 PM
Geez rish, there are a couple of R4s pegwarming at my local Target......
Title: Re: #65 Tactical Ops Trooper (501st)
Post by: Gatillo on November 16, 2005, 08:55 PM
I have yet to see the last 5 figs.  I do not care for holo figs, I just want some 65s and 68s, and an R4.
Title: Re: #65 Tactical Ops Trooper (501st)
Post by: Diddly on November 16, 2005, 09:00 PM
Same boat as you, Gatillo. I hear that they're hitting, I just keep missing them. :(
Title: Re: #65 Tactical Ops Trooper (501st)
Post by: SpudTrooper on December 1, 2005, 01:46 AM
NOW AVAILABLE AT KBTOYS.com

tactical Ops trooper (http://www.kbtoys.com/genProduct.html/PID/4702005/ctid/17/INstock/Y/D/)
Title: Re: #65 Tactical Ops Trooper (501st)
Post by: JayDouble on December 1, 2005, 01:47 AM
Damnit beat me too it.   :P
Title: Re: #65 Tactical Ops Trooper (501st)
Post by: Jesse James on December 1, 2005, 01:49 AM
And I guess I was beat to it too, I got the link from a local buddy.  Heh.
Title: Re: #65 Tactical Ops Trooper (501st)
Post by: SpudTrooper on December 1, 2005, 01:49 AM
SUCKAS   :-*

KBToys.com - 501st Tact Ops (http://www.kbtoys.com/genProduct.html/PID/4702005/ctid/17/INstock/Y/D/)
Title: Re: #65 Tactical Ops Trooper (501st)
Post by: ruiner on December 1, 2005, 01:44 PM
Thanks for the link, I think I got my order in just in time...
Title: Re: #65 Tactical Ops Trooper (501st)
Post by: TheBlackDog65 on December 1, 2005, 06:54 PM
Well, I hooked up a fellow collector with 6 on Tuesday, and then left 10 more on the pegs last night so I know they are hitting Walmarts here. I have a friend who saw 12 at a local Target yesterday so they have arrived here in Utah (he has 6 which is what he wanted). I have my fill of em and may have 1 too many.
Title: Re: #65 Tactical Ops Trooper (501st)
Post by: Ook on December 1, 2005, 07:12 PM
Hey, did you guys catch this?

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Here you go, buy yourselves an early X-mas gift:

$6.99 each, use coupon code ETNLTR for $5 off any $40 order.

Tactical Ops Troopers (http://www.kbtoys.com/genProduct.html/PID/4702005/ctid/17/INstock/Y/D/)
Title: Re: #65 Tactical Ops Trooper (501st)
Post by: Kill_Solo on December 1, 2005, 09:32 PM
I scored many of these today!
Title: Re: #65 Tactical Ops Trooper (501st)
Post by: TheBlackDog65 on December 2, 2005, 12:04 AM
I really did think this day would come. I stopped looking to see if I could find a Bly to see if it is worth buying and I hit 2 Walmarts and 2 Targets, 1 TRU and at the Target and Walmart, I found a total of 12 of these figures, and this was at 6 to 7 pm! I had two in hand at one Target (only 2) and some collector was there with his wife (who is on a business trip from Pennsylvania) so I gave them to hiim (first he had found!). Was nice to see him walk away with 2 sets of the final 5! I think the Tactical ops will no longer be hard to find for the next 2 to 3 weeks.
Title: Re: #65 Tactical Ops Trooper (501st)
Post by: Darby on December 2, 2005, 04:27 AM
I hope so.  I've got my #41 and my blue paint out...
Title: Re: #65 Tactical Ops Trooper (501st)
Post by: Ook on December 3, 2005, 12:35 AM
IN STOCK (http://www.kbtoys.com/genProduct.html/PID/4702005/ctid/17/INstock/Y/D/)
Title: Re: #65 Tactical Ops Trooper (501st)
Post by: Diddly on December 3, 2005, 06:19 PM
I found two of these at Target today, but only got one since the other one was opened a little bit. While these look a lot better in person, I can already see that once I open it the left arm is going to come off. ::)
Title: Re: #65 Tactical Ops Trooper (501st)
Post by: Holographic Elvis on December 4, 2005, 02:47 PM
I finally got our toy manager to order some (told her to only order Coll. 2) and we got 13 cases of figs, 2 Tactical Ops Clone in each. 
Title: Re: #65 Tactical Ops Trooper (501st)
Post by: Darth_Anton on December 4, 2005, 03:26 PM
You know, something just occured to me regarding the whole Comi-con SA prototype thing. Did anyone notice in the display that the Evolutions AOTC clone used a Gunner body, but came on an SA body? Perhaps the person doing up the hand painted prototypes accidently painted the wrong bodies for the display.
Title: Re: #65 Tactical Ops Trooper (501st)
Post by: Holographic Elvis on December 4, 2005, 10:38 PM
You know, something just occured to me regarding the whole Comi-con SA prototype thing. Did anyone notice in the display that the Evolutions AOTC clone used a Gunner body, but came on an SA body? Perhaps the person doing up the hand painted prototypes accidently painted the wrong bodies for the display.

That or it was a rush job and they just wanted product out in the display to give everyone an idea of what was to come.
Title: Re: #65 Tactical Ops Trooper (501st)
Post by: Darth Slothus on December 5, 2005, 02:01 AM
You know, something just occured to me regarding the whole Comi-con SA prototype thing. Did anyone notice in the display that the Evolutions AOTC clone used a Gunner body, but came on an SA body? Perhaps the person doing up the hand painted prototypes accidently painted the wrong bodies for the display.

That or it was a rush job and they just wanted product out in the display to give everyone an idea of what was to come.

Answer #2 is right because they (hasblo) never even planned to do the extra 12 figs...when they realized they were it was faster to do it the way they did (or saved them production costs somehow undoubtedly).
Title: Re: #65 Tactical Ops Trooper (501st)
Post by: Darth_Anton on December 5, 2005, 09:45 AM
You know, something just occured to me regarding the whole Comi-con SA prototype thing. Did anyone notice in the display that the Evolutions AOTC clone used a Gunner body, but came on an SA body? Perhaps the person doing up the hand painted prototypes accidently painted the wrong bodies for the display.

That or it was a rush job and they just wanted product out in the display to give everyone an idea of what was to come.

I kinda thought rush job was implied, therefor being the cause of the mix up. But yet, I prove once again what happens when one assumes.
Title: Re: #65 Tactical Ops Trooper (501st)
Post by: ruiner on December 5, 2005, 01:57 PM
I think the real reason for the use of the crappy mold was production limitations.  The #6 tooling was being used for the shock trooper treatment and the #41 was being used for Gree.

That only tool left was the AT-TE gunner mold.

Title: Re: #65 Tactical Ops Trooper (501st)
Post by: Rob on December 7, 2005, 01:27 AM
Well I've pretty much given up on finding more of these.  I found 5 that first week and haven't seen one since.
Title: Re: #65 Tactical Ops Trooper (501st)
Post by: Jesse James on December 7, 2005, 03:34 AM
Yeah I'd probably take a couple more if I found them, but it looks like I'll take my one and deal with it. :)  I'm not totally disappointed given the fact I was never happy with the sculpt they used, but that's neither here nor there...

These things were priced as high as $30 at the Toy Show up here last weekend.  I was just appauled.  One guy had well over a dozen hanging on his display with other things nobody can find.  A pain to find, but not a figure I was ever happy to see coming down the pike.
Title: Re: #65 Tactical Ops Trooper (501st)
Post by: blaster_e11 on December 7, 2005, 06:13 AM
they are finally available in France so i picked two of them they look cool displayed behind Evolution  Anakin/Vader
Title: Re: #65 Tactical Ops Trooper (501st)
Post by: Xander on December 7, 2005, 07:20 AM
The only times I've seen them have been recently, well after they first started showing up. There were several cases worth at Wal-mart last night, along with the rest of the assortment. I've also seen them rotate back in stock at KBtoys online.
Title: Re: #65 Tactical Ops Trooper (501st)
Post by: Clone On Fire on December 7, 2005, 02:23 PM
I've been finding this one at Target lately several times, and found a single one at WalMart once. 
Title: Re: #65 Tactical Ops Trooper (501st)
Post by: Ryan on December 7, 2005, 02:59 PM
I found my First two at Target yesterday. I think they will be my only two.
Title: Re: #65 Tactical Ops Trooper (501st)
Post by: Darth Slothus on December 7, 2005, 04:51 PM
I count 3 out of 4 WM's in my SC area that have at least X4 on the shelves for 3 days in a row. ::) Started with X8 3 days ago-guess all 3 collectors in my area got it...now noone wants it?!....LOL I bought more extras for trade of course..awhile back. Brings my total purchases on these to 15 not including the several in the stores now that I won't buy.
Title: Re: #65 Tactical Ops Trooper (501st)
Post by: Ook on December 7, 2005, 05:01 PM
I bought a couple to trade a few days ago, but I ran into a couple guys who needed them before I even got home.
Title: Re: #65 Tactical Ops Trooper (501st)
Post by: Reid on December 7, 2005, 05:51 PM
I saw 2 of these at Target but passed.
Title: Re: #65 Tactical Ops Trooper (501st)
Post by: Ook on December 7, 2005, 06:34 PM
Eight bucks (http://www.omgcnfo.com/cgi-bin/cart/shop.cgi?cmd=653569123095).... :-\
Title: Re: #65 Tactical Ops Trooper (501st)
Post by: Jesse James on December 8, 2005, 07:23 AM
So where's the "cheap" in there again?  ???
Title: Re: #65 Tactical Ops Trooper (501st)
Post by: MetalJedi on December 8, 2005, 09:11 PM
Well someone didnt mind paying it. They're sold out.
Title: Re: #65 Tactical Ops Trooper (501st)
Post by: Darth Slothus on December 8, 2005, 09:37 PM
simply amazing..but I won't say unbelievable because it's sadly, very believable. :(
Title: Re: #65 Tactical Ops Trooper (501st)
Post by: Bobafett77 on December 8, 2005, 10:09 PM
In all honesty if my area wasn't getting hit with these regularly or I didn't have the time to hit stores, I'd probably buy a couple at that price. Some don't mind paying a couple bucks extra on a fig if they don't have to hit the pavement to look for it. I on the other hand, like the thrill of a good find.  ;D
Title: Re: #65 Tactical Ops Trooper (501st)
Post by: CHEWIE on December 9, 2005, 11:25 AM
You know, I've said it many times - I just don't like this figure.  I love the 501st paint design, but I'd rather paint my own versions of the #41 clone anyday.

 :P
Title: Re: #65 Tactical Ops Trooper (501st)
Post by: Darth Slothus on December 9, 2005, 02:00 PM
I agree...can you imagine...even on a #6 mold he'd be better- that and remove the red. I know yours would look the best anyway Chewie but seriously...if Hasbro used THAT much detail(Chewie-esque detailing) they'd make us pay for it and no one could build an army/afford it.  :(
Title: Re: #65 Tactical Ops Trooper (501st)
Post by: Darby on December 10, 2005, 11:19 PM
I went ahead and made my own today with a #41 and a fancy art marker from my brother's gallery.  It turned out pretty nice considering I was completely winging it.  I just chock up the sloppy lines to 'weathering'...  ;)

I doubt we'll see this guy before TSC hits.  The stores here seem to have gotten what they're going to get.
Title: Re: #65 Tactical Ops Trooper (501st)
Post by: Diddly on December 10, 2005, 11:35 PM
I must be in the minority, I love this guy. I hated it from prototype pics, but once I found and opened one, my opinion took a 180. The red isn't even red, it's more of a Geonosis colored dust. True, it's not the greatest sculpt, but it's good for what it is.
Title: Re: #65 Tactical Ops Trooper (501st)
Post by: CHEWIE on December 11, 2005, 04:23 AM
Heh.. here's my version -

(http://chewie34.250free.com/TEMPLEATTACK.jpg)

Wnat one, just PM me - I just need the parts and an extra #41 for myself.  Not that mine are the best, but they're pretty fun!

 :P
Title: Re: #65 Tactical Ops Trooper (501st)
Post by: Darth_Anton on December 11, 2005, 07:55 PM
Great Job Chewie!

Just thought I'd share, this morning my local target put out a 501st case and I was very happy to see a Mom shopping for her kids get one with out having to fend off anyone. Nice to know that it can happen with this figure.
Title: Re: #65 Tactical Ops Trooper (501st)
Post by: MetalJedi on December 11, 2005, 08:52 PM
I was able to pick up my last 3 today at Target.
Title: Re: #65 Tactical Ops Trooper (501st)
Post by: Darth Nickel on December 11, 2005, 08:56 PM
I still can't find any here. All the star wars figures have been tough to find since the holiday shopping. It's good to see that a lot of kids will be getting star wars toys this year!!!

I hope there are more to come, but good for the kids.
Title: Re: #65 Tactical Ops Trooper (501st)
Post by: Jesse James on December 11, 2005, 11:47 PM
Yeah, I dare say even Neimoidian Warriors aren't in abundance here.  Did they ship out or sell out?  Very interesting...  They did seeming just disappear right away though, and I'm a little bummed to say that I miss them.  I'd gotten to know them well and looked forward to buying a small Frog Army on clearance.  Alas this appears unlikely now.
Title: Re: #65 Tactical Ops Trooper (501st)
Post by: Darby on December 12, 2005, 04:20 AM
All the Neimodians and for some reason, all the Mas Amedda's at my local Target have vanished.  Lots of moms and dads in the SW section, hunting for Vader, etc.  And nope, still no 501st.  Sigh.
Title: Re: #65 Tactical Ops Trooper (501st)
Post by: Jesse James on December 12, 2005, 08:16 AM
If they need Vader they need to broaden their shopping horizons to Wal-Mart.  One near me has about 5 pegs of nothing but the man in black.
Title: Re: #65 Tactical Ops Trooper (501st)
Post by: Brian on December 12, 2005, 10:03 AM
Quote
All the Neimodians and for some reason, all the Mas Amedda's at my local Target have vanished.  Lots of moms and dads in the SW section, hunting for Vader, etc.  And nope, still no 501st.  Sigh.

I was kind of surprised to see that happening around here too.  I didn't think we'd ever see all the Neimodians disappear from Target, but the last time I was there the basic figure section had been reduced to two columns, and they had 10 figures on the pegs.  7 Polis Massans, 2 Mas Ameddas, and one lonely Nemo Warrior.  Definitely not the "cream of the crop" for holiday shopping parents, etc., but I'm kind of glad the pegs are jammed full...it increases the chances of seeing the Saga Collection when it starts showing up.

As far as the 501st, I've seen one of them one time...on Black Friday buried in the mess below the pegs that Wal-mart always seems to have.  I bought that one, and haven't seen any of the "Final 5" since really.  I've basically got what I wanted, although I would have liked another 1-2 501st troopers (and maybe the Wookiee gunner), but if I don't find them at retail I won't sweat it too much.  At least I have one I guess.
Title: Re: #65 Tactical Ops Trooper (501st)
Post by: Greg on December 18, 2005, 10:09 AM
I finally got one of these, along with a shocktrooper, at the local flea market for twelve dollars each. I was having trouble finding these two, and I figured it would be better to spend $24 on them then $50 at like Brians Toys online. 
Title: Re: #65 Tactical Ops Trooper (501st)
Post by: Clone On Fire on December 19, 2005, 02:33 PM
The more I find of this figure, the more I like it.  I cannot say "no" to it even at KB Toys $6.99.  I just love the paint scheme, and the removeable helmet.  The arms are poseable enough even with the AT-TE body that you can pose them firing or standing at attention.  Keep 'em coming!!
Title: Re: #65 Tactical Ops Trooper (501st)
Post by: ruiner on December 19, 2005, 03:48 PM
Chewie - your customs look spot on!  May have to take you up on your offer... ;)
Title: Re: #65 Tactical Ops Trooper (501st)
Post by: Dhivael on December 29, 2005, 12:01 AM
Chewies do look far superior... ::sigh:: as usual :P

but i never even saw the 65 in person. I wouldnt have minded getting a couple.
Title: Re: #65 Tactical Ops Trooper (501st)
Post by: TR1ER on January 6, 2006, 04:28 AM
Man I never seen 1 of those darn 501st here in chicago. I had to make some customs for people to get mine ;D. and I got some for X-mas from my good friends over at CC.
Title: Re: #65 Tactical Ops Trooper (501st)
Post by: Darth Slothus on January 6, 2006, 05:39 PM
remember to network..believe it ..there's folks here that will help you out, just ask! ;)
Title: Re: #65 Tactical Ops Trooper (501st)
Post by: Ithorian Clergy on January 6, 2006, 07:59 PM
A ton of these have been showing up at KB Toys of late, simultaneous with the Carkoon wave.  $6.99 though.
Title: Re: #65 Tactical Ops Trooper (501st)
Post by: Alpha_17 on January 8, 2006, 04:55 AM
I was lucky enough to find one Tactical Ops Trooper. I wanted to army build the 501st, but I can't find any of them around my area.
Title: Re: #65 Tactical Ops Trooper (501st)
Post by: commander apoc on June 18, 2006, 07:08 PM
I just pre-ordered about 10 of them.... they should be in about a week or 2... that's in Europe then...
Title: Re: #65 Tactical Ops Trooper (501st)
Post by: commander apoc on June 26, 2006, 04:46 PM
I take it back.... my suplier couldn't get them.... blast >:(

He did get me 2 shadow stormtroopers and a unleased red shock trooper
Title: Re: #65 Tactical Ops Trooper (501st)
Post by: 77Skywalker on July 3, 2006, 01:37 AM
Shouldn't maybe the Tactical Ops Trooper also have come with a rifle?
Title: Re: #65 Tactical Ops Trooper (501st)
Post by: Reid on August 30, 2006, 03:32 PM
He did.
Title: Re: #65 Tactical Ops Trooper (501st)
Post by: ruiner on September 28, 2006, 04:39 PM
Really?

(http://www.rebelscum.com/ROTS/rots0565tactopstrooperloose.jpg)
Title: Re: #65 Tactical Ops Trooper (501st)
Post by: MetalJedi on September 30, 2006, 12:51 PM
He did in the Jedi Temple Assualt Battlepack but not the single carded version.
Title: Re: #65 Tactical Ops Trooper (501st)
Post by: Clone Commander on October 1, 2006, 01:13 PM
I dont care for the figure, most of the time the helmet is misshapen and the paint design is warped.   :-\
Title: Re: #65 Tactical Ops Trooper (501st)
Post by: JangoTat on December 9, 2006, 08:38 PM
i wanted to get two of them...to display with my Jett(zett? cant remember his name) figure but i only saw one of these..and it was selling for $30 canadian...so i passed it up...and never bought anything from that store again.