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Collectibles => The Vintage Collection => Topic started by: Jeff on January 3, 2010, 09:49 PM
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I wonder if they are finally rereleasing the old vintage molds?
There have been dozens of rumors that the "new" movie line will be using the "vintage" black/silver card style and the DPCI name adds more evidence to that. It sure will be fun when all the vintage purist guys see those 2010/2011 prequel movie waves using their hallowed cardback. :-X
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I've never totally gotten the anymosity to PT figures on vintage style cardbacks... I gotta be honest. I mean I understand there weren't any PT characters at the time and things, but to me they're trash you're throwing away after you open it anyway.
I hope there are no altercations in the toy aisle. :P
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There have been dozens of rumors that the "new" movie line will be using the "vintage" black/silver card style and the DPCI name adds more evidence to that. It sure will be fun when all the vintage purist guys see those 2010/2011 prequel movie waves using their hallowed cardback. :-X
I welcome this cardback design/look for the movie/realistic line. In my opinion, the vintage cardbacks (and also what was similarly used for the VOTC/VTSC/VTAC waves) is a "classic" look that works well for both OT and PT figures. I know it would never happen, but I think it would be great if the realistic line stayed in this packaging style from now until it ended.
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I welcome it as well. I am really looking forward to many of these (Tarkin for example) if they pan out. That includes PT figs. I think our only regret will be that we don't get all the figures we want on these cards (which PT Obi will get repacked? Will we see Slave Leia again?).
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It sure will be fun when all the vintage purist guys see those 2010/2011 prequel movie waves using their hallowed cardback. :-X
We are NOT amused.
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I wonder if they are finally rereleasing the old vintage molds?
I doubt it would happen, but who knows...Hasbro has been playing around with a few vintage GI Joe molds as of late though.
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Although I can sort of understand those who don't want PT figures on "vintage" cardbacks, I'm all for that style of card as well. I loved the VOTC/VTSC figures, and the OTC line was along the same lines, and there's just something about a silver/black look that really says Star Wars to me. I just like having those big character pictures on the cards, as well as the whole nostalgia factor of it. I think we're going to see something similar to the vintage cardbacks, but maybe slightly different (like the way the 25th Joes had the silver on the cards at first, or something like that). The problem is that I might be tempted to collect carded if they are close enough to the VOTC/VTSC/vintage lines. Aside from a couple sub-collections and miscellaneous figures, those are the only things I've bought carded and loose - if the whole line has that spiffy look, it might be more tempting. I guess those who don't like the PT figures on the cards can just toss the packaging, or stick to the OT figures. Calling them "vintage" seems silly in a way, but oh well. I'm really looking forward to what Toy Fair will show us regarding the "movie" line. Sort of nice to see the big vehicle possibly continuing, I really hope it is an OT offering.
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I'm pleasantly surprised if Hasbro mixe sthe retro-styled vintage cardback w/ both PT/OT characters. However, I wonder if SL will continue with the new look going out. Unless SL has a new cardback all to itself... ::)
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I don't know how many, if any, vintage figure molds still exist. Even in 1996/97 when Hasbro did that Classic 4-pack for TRU they had to create molds off vintage figures to get it done. I don't expect to ever see vintage style figures again, unless it's a 1-off for a convention exclusive or some type of then and now set like they just did for the Joe line.
But even the old O-ring Joe molds have about had it. I was surprised to see that then and now set at Target this year holiday season.
I'm not entirely in favor of PT characters on vintage cardbacks. It's all part of that "what's old is new again" thing that I don't always care for. I liked the OTC and Saga Collection cards which had a vintage feel to them without being direct copies. I'm fine with something like that.
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ToyArk (http://www.toyark.com/news/star-wars-toy-news-3/vintage-cardbacks-and-fx-lightsabers-with-removable-blades-2208/) has a bit of scoop on the 2010 "Vintage" line...
BASIC FIGURES 087-06-1351 - 3.75 VINTAGE - $7.99 Hasbro will be releasing vintage cardbacks for this years basic figure collection. The pics show (VOTC) was used to illustrate the vintage look and the direction of the line. We will see the actual product at this years Toy Fair.
- Collectors focused sku
- Collection of the best figures on the market
- Episode 2 figures on vintage cardbacks for the first time
- The return of the Bounty hunt series (foiled packaging)
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• Collection of the best figures on the market - in other words - Repacks ::)
• Episode 2 figures on vintage cardbacks for the first time ::) ::)
• The return of the Bounty hunt series (foiled packaging) ::) ::) ::)
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• Collection of the best figures on the market - in other words - Repacks ::)
Well, they had already mentioned in the Q&A that there would be plenty of repacks in the Fall, so that's not a surprise. Hopefully we can get some of the "better" repacks - I'd love to see Stormtrooper Han/Luke on a kenner-esque card. Same for the Jawa.
And the return of the "UGH" foil stuff? pass. Not going to worry about playing that game...
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I'm expecting to get more info at Toy Fair, but I sincerely hope this new Vintage line isn't repacks. The original selling point of the Vintage line was, besides the packaging, that these were NEW figures, and the best versions of those figures to boot. (of course not all of the Vintage figures were the "best" but c'est la vie) It feels like this is just being done to piss off the Vintage collectors. That "Best Figures" line scares me too, because I'm thinking that's another excuse for Hasbro to give us MORE Goddamn Plo Koons and Saesee Tinns. ::)
Oh, and that foil line was a flop the first time they tried it. Pretty awful idea, considering the amount of carded collectors who no longer collect carded.
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I sincerely hope this new Vintage line isn't repacks.
This is what they said in the Q&A:
"In Fall, there will be waves for EpII, III, V, and VI (although not in that order) with about 24 new/retooled characters for Fall debuting along with a number of "greatest hits" (package refreshed) to round out the waves. "
Then, another rumor said something to the effect of 24 new/upgrade figures and 16-21 repacks for ~40-45 figures in the Fall 2010 line.
I really think this is a great move on Hasbro's part. Depending on the execution (ie, who they pick to repack), I'm sure a number of once-upon-a-time carded collectors (such as myself) will consider reverting back to buying figures to keep carded, which can only help the bottom line... (I can already feel myself heading that way again and grabbing some of these carded to compliment my existing VOTC/VTSC/VTAC carded collection ::)).
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I was talking about this with a fellow collector the other day and we were wondering how many people were going to be disappointed when the "vintage" line will basically be repacks with a handful of new characters thrown in, with the cardback being the only distinct part.
I think some people hear "vintage" and all they can picture is card after card of new, definitive versions of all their favorite characters, in some case OT only, and I can almost guarantee that's not what it's going to be. It's going to be figs that you can find on the pegs now, just with new card backs.
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For me, I'm ok with just 24 or so figures this year that I'm totally interested in, while the repacks may or may not tickle myf ancy. That's fine by me... I am just hopeful the repacks don't f-up distribution in some way of the newer stuff. More figures than that though that I'm after, and I'm crying foul on my wallet, haha.
Especially since it seems like whatever Hasbro's pack-in is in 2010 isn't going to be vaguely as good as BAD. At least I cannot fathom it being as good. So with that in mind, basically figures are going to be $7.99... period. The pre-legacy convincing myself that, "well at least you get to build a droid or two, and so that factors to blah blah blah...", is gone. At least I'm expecting it to be gone. And so I'm expecting I'll just be buying less in 2010. The BAD conned me into sometimes buying an extra to complete a figure.
So less is better to me... I'm ok with repacks then, so long as they don't impact the new stuff's availability.
The whole UGH thing coming back is retarded. What's more to say about it?
I love Hasbro but I think they can't seem to find what works and stick with it at times. I'm waiting for the "other shoe to drop" on figure quality, and see them regress figures in that capacity as well, without any sort of price drop to accompany it. That will truly be the day I consider my future with things in the hobby.
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I really think this is a great move on Hasbro's part. Depending on the execution (ie, who they pick to repack), I'm sure a number of once-upon-a-time carded collectors (such as myself) will consider reverting back to buying figures to keep carded, which can only help the bottom line... (I can already feel myself heading that way again and grabbing some of these carded to compliment my existing VOTC/VTSC/VTAC carded collection ::)).
I'm with Jeff here. As one of the few remaining carded collectors, I'm excited about the move back to some really cool cardbacks. I don't collect the re-pack figs, but if the cardbacks are cool and they pick some good characters, I'm all in. I just hope that the vintage styling includes smaller bubbles like we've seen on GI Joe. That adds more room for illustration on the card and makes storage a heck of a lot easier as well.
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I really think this is a great move on Hasbro's part. Depending on the execution (ie, who they pick to repack), I'm sure a number of once-upon-a-time carded collectors (such as myself) will consider reverting back to buying figures to keep carded, which can only help the bottom line... (I can already feel myself heading that way again and grabbing some of these carded to compliment my existing VOTC/VTSC/VTAC carded collection ::)).
I agree, this is probably a great move on Hasbro's part. As long as they really choose the "best of the best" for the repacked figures, I think this could be a great line and very collector-focused. I know I'm pretty psyched we're seeing the return of vintage packaging. The VOTC/VTSC lines are really the only things that I've bought carded and loose for the most part, and the dangerous part of this for me is that it might suck me into buying a carded set again (at least of the OT characters/figures). If they repack really nice figures like VOTC Han, EB Chewie, VOTC Leia, Resurgence of the Jedi Luke, a recent Jawa, among others (both OT and PT) alongside some spiffy all-new figures, I think it could be a really nice line. Even if they repacked previous "vintage" figures like the previously mentioned Hans/Lukes/Leias/etc. - if the cardbacks are essentially the same, people could always skip them.
Overall though, I think this is great news, and something I'm really looking forward to hearing more about. I've said before, I don't think (possibly aside from the BMF) I was ever more excited about an upcoming line than with the first VOTC line...and the possibility of this vintage packaging returning has me pretty pumped too. Plus, it would be nice to have a definite difference between the various lines - packaging-wise. Hopefully the "Vintage" line won't get pushed off the pegs from all the CW figures, since they are the big push now (and actually shipping something before the fall).
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I would be drawn in from a carded perspective, easy. I think it's a great idea and what the line needs right now. The line seems to be shaping up as waves of 6 new figures, and 6 likely repacks. If Hasbro does it right, they will hit paydirt. Some likely repacks are ones vintage collectors would be very interested in: Sandtrooper, Stormtrooper Han, Jawa, etc. Where I would love to see them take a chance, and they won't because they want home run selling figures, is Wedge and Slave Leia.
My early predictions for the recards (let the speculation begin!):
ANH Wave:
Luke Skywalker (Resurgence BP)
Sandtrooper (Dewback sculpt)
Jawa
Chewbacca (Early Bird)
ESB Wave
Snowtrooper
Boba Fett?
Yoda?
ROTJ Wave
Biker Scout
DSII Luke
AOTC
Jango
Anakin
Obi Wan
TPM Wave
Qui Gon
Maul
ROTS
Cody
Grievous
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That adds more room for illustration on the card and makes storage a heck of a lot easier as well.
It also means less accessories, smaller accessories, and no larger figures. ;)
To me, that's not so good... Not that it's necessarilly bad either since there was no telling if a big figure or accessory was planned anyway for when these cardbacks are out. But things like tables, chairs, consoles, and other accessories we've gotten in the past that maybe made something more valuable are going to be nixed or difficult to slip in with smaller bubbles. Same possibly with 2-packs of smaller characters.
No offense meant to the carded collectors still hangin' in there, but if they've got to suffer through some storage issues or their eyes are pained a little bit because their cardback isn't quite as pretty, I think I'd live with their suffering to get 2 smaller figures in a package instead of 1, or a nice large accessory like a Cantina table or something. ;D
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I agree, this is probably a great move on Hasbro's part. As long as they really choose the "best of the best" for the repacked figures, I think this could be a great line and very collector-focused.
See this is where I'm scared. I have NO FAITH that Hasbro will pick the "best-of-the-best" figures to repack. In fact, I'm pretty sure that this is going to be Legends 6.2, with MORE repacks of ROTS Obi-Wan, ROTS Anakin, Plo Koon, Saesee Tinn, Sandtrooper, etc. While they are good figures, there's no questioning that, over the last 3 years they ALWAYS seem to make their way onto the pegs, thanks to Legends, in order to make the movie line more "kid friendly." And they continue to clog the pegs because nobody buys them; collectors more than likely already own them, and most kids probably do too.
I'll be more than happy to eat my words come Toy Fair time, but I'm not going to be surprised if we get another "AWESOME!" wave full of repacks that everybody already has.
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I believe that the basic "Vintage" figures will all be either all new never released and/or resculpts and the Legends line will also be release on Vintage cards... thats where the repacks will turn up!
Remember, per hasbro, we are only receiving 24 new/resculpted figures this year! The rest will be repacks in the Legends line
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SSG: We've been hearing how the TLC line has been having sales troubles going back to its inception in July '08. There have been numerous Hasbro comments about lowered volume due to a shrinking of the hardcore collector base and a virtual drying up of the casual consumer base. Now through Q&A we're hearing about entire waves of basic figures, the bread & butter of the line, possibly getting pushed back or dropped into exclusive territory as brand management tries to ensure that those molds get into collectors' hands at all. Yet through all this, we continue to hear that Saga Legends is a strong seller with the casual consumers and thus with Hasbro's retail partners. While we fans appreciate and admire the drive over the past 6 years to deliver 40 to 50 new figures per year, without entertainment support it appears that pace has become an albatross around the mainline's neck as multiple outside forces such as manufacturing and the economy beat up the line (along with the rest of the toy industry). When fans look at something like the AT-AT Driver figure, which had a chiefly satisfactory figure released only 3 years ago yet now has an entirely new tooling coming up, it seems like the priority to meet x-many new figures per wave is no longer a viable concept, as budgeting for figures that either won't see widespread release at retail or will get pushed back means the next products down the line suffer worse fates is spent across a wave rather than the mainline as a whole. Though not ideal, have you considered merging the mainline figures and Saga Legends back together, scaling back the overall scope of new figures to fit in releases alongside the Legends figures, and cutting down on new resculpted figures when existing ones like the 3-year-old AT-AT Driver would satisfy interest with little or no change? Would focusing all of the non-Clone Wars figures back into a single SKU help keep mainline figures afloat, even if the number of new figures is scaled back significantly?
Hasbro: Thanks for the thoughtful summary of the challenges that we are facing with the "new collector economy." We are determined to keep delivering significant newness in the basic figure line. The basic figure line that will take over after Legacy / Droid Factory will look a little different, along the lines of all the things you mentioned. It will consists of all new tooled figures (about the same proportion as are in the line now), significant repaints/retooled figures, Saga Legends-type figures, and figures released on basic figure cards for the first time. Because of the sheer popularity that Saga Legends has had with its audience, we will keep it going as a separate line but change up the figures some. We believe that it's critical to keep Saga Legends doing, as kids are getting the core heroes and villains (with occasional troops), while fans are adding troops to shore up their forces. However, exactly to your point, we will be refocusing Legends a bit and sending some key figures over into the line that will replace Legacy so there is some core hero traction to that line as well.
Based off this answer, it seems we will get significant repacks/Legends type figs in the line, in addition to first time cards (Wedge?)
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However, exactly to your point, we will be refocusing Legends a bit and sending some key figures over into the line that will replace Legacy so there is some core hero traction to that line as well.
This statement bothers me a touch; do they mean we'll see an Anakin, for example, in both Saga Legends and the new Legacy line? Or an older Vader again? If so, I hope they're shortpacked. Legends may sell well, but they seem to be overproduced anyway, and are certainly overstocked.
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Well count me among those that don't want to see prequel figures on vintage style cardbacks. Why? Meh, just cuz they've only a distant association to them. If Hasbro was so proud of their original release cards for the PT stuff, re-release it on that crap. JarJar Binks on the vintage style cardback? Just shoot me.
Realistically though I could give a crap since this seems to be mostly repacks of crap I either already have loose or deemed not worthy of my dollars the first time around, so I won't be buying them up. If it ends up putting some small demand out there for the original VOTC figures on cards on the secondary market, then I'm pleased because I need to get rid of those.
If they round out the last two figures from the original 12 backs, then I'd be most pleased. That would include the Jawa and I'm surprised I haven't seen gripes about that suggestion yet.
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The Death Squad Commander has shown up on some rumor lists, so I have a hope that we'll see the Jawa as well. I think there will be some 'sharing' between Vintage and Legends, at least in terms of characters. There may be different figures (one kind of Vader in Vintage, another in Legends, and so on).
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• Collection of the best figures on the market - in other words - Repacks ::)
• Episode 2 figures on vintage cardbacks for the first time ::) ::)
• The return of the Bounty hunt series (foiled packaging) ::) ::) ::)
All lame points, but I'm there since it's "vintage" Thought I was done with the ugh crap, but here I go again... :-\::)::):-\
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Man, this is totally "wait and see" for me.
While I look forward to a card design that is vintage-like, I don't look forward to repacks on them. I know I won't be collecting the entire line this year, and this possibility only further confirms it.
Personally I'd love to see the "vintage" line be soley OT, but would accept PT, so long as all of the characters are NEVER BEFORE MADE (NBM). And I'm not talking updates, I mean NBM characters. While the OT has been mined pretty heavily there are still enough NBM characters out there. Certainly if repacks are going to go into this line, then at the very least they should be the best of the best.
That doesn't mean I'm going to buy them again, but at least they should be the best figure possible for anyone else who wants to buy them.
I don't know if I'll collect any this time around for carded purposes. I've really slashed my budget for SW toys from 2007. So cardbacks alone may not be enough to entice me to pick up one loose/one carded.
I look to Toy Fair to answer some of these questions for us.
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That adds more room for illustration on the card and makes storage a heck of a lot easier as well.
It also means less accessories, smaller accessories, and no larger figures. ;)
Exactly. I think it'd be a bummer if we get the small vintage-esque bubbles because there's no room in there for nifty pack-ins or large accessories... which leads to me next point.
At the start of the weekend, I was excited for the idea of adding to my VOTC/VTSC/VTAC carded collection. Then, this weekend, I remembered that they down-sized the cardback size. ::) So, unless they switch gears and go back to the bigger card size, there is a good chance that these new "vintage" cards will look silly when placed next to the ones that we already have. :( Maybe I won't have to worry about collecting them after all...
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Well if the cardbacks are small and silly looking, then I wholeheartedly support the notion of PT figures on them. ;D
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That adds more room for illustration on the card and makes storage a heck of a lot easier as well.
It also means less accessories, smaller accessories, and no larger figures. ;)
To me, that's not so good... Not that it's necessarilly bad either since there was no telling if a big figure or accessory was planned anyway for when these cardbacks are out. But things like tables, chairs, consoles, and other accessories we've gotten in the past that maybe made something more valuable are going to be nixed or difficult to slip in with smaller bubbles. Same possibly with 2-packs of smaller characters.
No offense meant to the carded collectors still hangin' in there, but if they've got to suffer through some storage issues or their eyes are pained a little bit because their cardback isn't quite as pretty, I think I'd live with their suffering to get 2 smaller figures in a package instead of 1, or a nice large accessory like a Cantina table or something. ;D
No offense taken. ;) Just personal preference I guess - I would much rather have vintage style cards with small bubbles and could care less about little pack-in pieces. We never got those with the VOTC type stuff anyway, so not sure why we would get them now regardless of bubble size. I think we're far less likely to see 2-packs moving forward for a vintage line as well - if they can sell a lone R2 and Yoda, then there's no reason to start doubling up on figures from their perspective. As for bigger figures - taller or thicker figures might require a slightly larger bubble - the vintage Gammorean bubble is much bigger than the vintage Jawa bubble. I'm fine with seeing that.
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I've always hated the idea of seeing prequel figures on vintage-style cards, but I look at it this way now: I'm willing to tolerate prequel figures on vintage-style cards in order to finally get cards that look good for the original trilogy figures. The number of figures I keep carded nowadays is pretty limited (just Vaders for my focus or the concept figures from 30AC), so it could be a wise investment for Hasbro if it draws me back into carded collecting (as well as tons of other collectors). Hmmm... maybe I don't want them to make vintage-style cards... :-[ ;)
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I love this idea (if true) I am not a carded collector but I would get a carded set. I would love to see figures who SHOULD have made the cut back in the vintage days (Tarkin, Stormtrooper Han, Sandtrooper, Wedge, Slave Leia, Removable Helmet Vader) my thoughts in what the break down would be is that legends will have different cardbacks but have a vintage touch to them. the basic line - 6 new, 6 repacks/kitbash with the repack to be heavy sellers.
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I hope we see an all-new ULTIMATE Darth Vader (w/ THREE, not two, but THREE piece-helmet, and maybe ball-hinged wrists ;)) with an all-new original cardback in the vintage look. That would be cool.
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I think the only Darth Vader we're likely to see in the immediate future is an Episode III version with Sith eyes. At least in the first 6 waves of this line.
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I'd think Hasbro would be able to go back to the larger sized cards. Less plastic for the bubble should mean more money for the normal sized card.
I certainly think it's about time SW gets back to its roots for card design. It worked for approx 10 years from the late 70s to the mid-late 80s. I really don't see the need to change designs every year. I know the desire to change, but not the necessity.
If the product is good (and reasonably priced), people are going to buy regardless of card design. SO go back to the vintage style and keep it that way for a long time. I doubt Hasbro would let it run for the next 8 years until the end of the contract, but at least 2-3 years would be nice to see, IMO.
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If the product is good (and reasonably priced), people are going to buy regardless of card design.
I don't disagree with you at all, but marketing departments around the world would. If it doesn't look or seem new, then people won't buy "last year's model" regardless of what it is. Keep it "fresh", make it seem "new". This is how we've been trained to respond to merchandise over the years and probably the primary driver of what Hasbro does, based on their own and others' market research.
I, like you, on the other hand would buy the product based on its merit (oh that I could say that through the Saga years) rather than on a new, fancy card style. Had Hasbro just stuck all along with the vintage styling I'd not be able to beef about the PT on the vintage cards ;)
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Well we're not talking about automobiles here (as an example). Cardbacks don't need to change every year. I find that a huge waste of time, energy, printing cost, etc. (Oh and from year to year cars can look the same for awhile before a significant upgrade.
Again, I'm not saying the cards shouldn't change, just nowhere near as often. Again, I say 2-3 years of the same design. We had the same basic design for the vintage cards for many more years than that and people still bought. Only major changes were the movie title at the top. (I'm talking major changes folks, so let's please not get nitpicky here.)
Besides, every year becomes a problem with stores being left with "old" product. How many of you are STILL seeing the Clone/Stormtrooper cardback design? If Hasbro would keep the same design for longer they wouldn't hear so many complaints of old card designs, ergo old product. And maybe just maybe slowly change back the way we all (collectors and kids alike) see card designs as being old or not. They kinda shot themselves in the foot here. While trying to keep things fresh and new, they created a frenzy. Now we bitch and moan when we don't see new stuff on the shelves. We can readily tell what's new and what isn't. If we walk into an aisle and all we see is the old cardback design, then we know not to even bother looking. By keeping the same design for longer, it would force us to look every time for a longer period of time, since we couldn't readily tell if the toys were new or not.
I'm all for the vintage style cards, let's just keep the design around for awhile please.
One point to consider is that it makes it easier for carded collectors to get MOC stuff as no doubt Hasbro would rerelease stuff again on the same card.
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If Hasbro would keep the same design...
Once again, if you have to blame someone for constantly changing the line's look the last few years (post-RotS), blame LFL and Pilot (the design studio they work with). It's Lucas Licensing that decided that they want a new look each year to try to keep the brand "fresh".
Hasbro deserves a lot of critism on certain things, but this is one that that really is outside their control at the moment.
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I'm going to have to disagree with you on some points here, Sal. One thing about changing the line every year, it allows a store to clearance old product. Hasbro doesn't always change assortments when the cards change, but they can more easily at that point.
One of the reasons we see so many blue carded "old" figures on the pegs is because most stores can't clearance them wihout also putting the new product on sale. Once the assortments change, they can clear the old assortment without worring about screwing up the new stuff.
I do agree with you that I don't like the line changing every year. Whenever Hasbro has to change it seems to cause a big lag at retail. Especially when they have a hard reset like they did in 2008. When they have to draw a line on production to switch, it can catch a wave short and and also cause a lack of new shipments to retail. From that standpoint, it would make sence to keep packaging and assortments in circulation longer.
When it comes down to it, I'd rather have a break so that retail can clear old product and reset rather than just go on for years with stale product. Sure, having the same cards for longer periods of time forces collectors to look longer, it doesn't necessarily generate more sales. And stagnant product on the pegs, no matter what the packaging looks like, screws up the computer ordering and just causes frustration for everyone.
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I'm going to have to disagree with you on some points here, Sal. One thing about changing the line every year, it allows a store to clearance old product. Hasbro doesn't always change assortments when the cards change, but they can more easily at that point.
One of the reasons we see so many blue carded "old" figures on the pegs is because most stores can't clearance them wihout also putting the new product on sale. Once the assortments change, they can clear the old assortment without worring about screwing up the new stuff.
I do agree with you that I don't like the line changing every year. Whenever Hasbro has to change it seems to cause a big lag at retail. Especially when they have a hard reset like they did in 2008. When they have to draw a line on production to switch, it can catch a wave short and and also cause a lack of new shipments to retail. From that standpoint, it would make sence to keep packaging and assortments in circulation longer.
When it comes down to it, I'd rather have a break so that retail can clear old product and reset rather than just go on for years with stale product. Sure, having the same cards for longer periods of time forces collectors to look longer, it doesn't necessarily generate more sales. And stagnant product on the pegs, no matter what the packaging looks like, screws up the computer ordering and just causes frustration for everyone.
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I understand your points. Let me counterpoint for a moment.
The very fact of stores having to clearance anything tells us something. Either demand for said product (not just SW but anything) is not there OR (and tha'ts a BIG "OR") they ordered too much of said product. Another point can be made to price. With the economy the way it is now, that's become and ever increasing factor.
Personally while it would save me money, I'd rather not see anything go on clearance. I'd rather the retailers order better so that there isn't a plethora of old stuff on the shelves clogging it up so that new stuff can't take it's place. It's a dichotomy. On one hand you want new stuff to be ordered quickly when pegs are running short, on the other hand you also don't want to walk into a store with little to nothing on the pegs. It's a balancing act that I think more and more stores are being force to look at. Again, not just SW but everything.
If stores can figure this out then we wouldn't have to worry about old stuff warming on pegs.
Problem for Hasbro then is that they would either be stuck with inventory or they'd have to decide to produce less. If the latter was the decision then you can bet we'd see a price increase as Hasbro would want (not NEED) to make more profit per piece to counteract the lower production levels.
Again card design shouldn't mean a thing. If stores can get their ordering system in check and not over order at the beginning of a new design then they (and we) would be stuck looking at the older line on pegs for months sometimes a year or more later.
By ordering less it would also force we collectors to be more diligent about going to the stores to check for product and creating even more a culture of "buy it now or you may not see it again." That works well for Hasbro and stores, not so much for us. But I'd venture a guess that most of us are still pretty diligent about our collecting habits that we could easily transition to this mentality. Many of us still buy like that.
You're right E that it's really LFL making the call to change the design every year and I think that's a bad move. I think LFL has a little too MUCH control over this. Yes they should approve the figures, but the design of the packaging changing every year? Seems like their creating more unnecessary work. I understand it's their brand, however Hasbro paid for the licensing. It would be nice if Hasbro could decide a little more for themselves how the packaging should look or change for the toys THEY produce. Yes, LFL should have input and okay the designs, but it really doesn't need to change every year.
You're last line you said "stagnant product on the pegs, no matter what the packaging looks like, screws up the computer ordering and just causes frustration for everyone" rings true be that for new designs every year or staying with the same design for a longer period of time.
Better choices of characters, lower pricepoints, higher quality of product can help all those things regardless of package design.
Anyway, I appreciate this sort of debate. It gets the creative juices flowing.
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I'm intrigued and apprehensive all at the same time. Not looking forward to the PT treatment, but I'd be nice if the OT's were like the VOTC series. Might do some of these carded.
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I was listening to the recent SWAN podcast a little bit today, and they mentioned that maybe this rumored/confirmed "vintage" line is the "hail mary" for the collector line from Hasbro. Sort of a "well, if collectors don't buy these...." type of thing. Do you think that could be the case? Again, I don't think the realistic line is ending anytime soon...they obviously have (albeit maybe scaled back) plans for the next couple years...but judging from their continuing comments about the collector drop-off, and how they are "pulling out all of the stops" for collectors this year (although they have cancelled/pushed back a lot of stuff it seems), I'm wondering if they are trying one more big push before we possibly see more of a scale back. Either way, I'm looking forward to seeing what they have to offer at Toy Fair.
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I have felt for a while that Hasbro's response about collectors not supporting the line is a load of BS... from my observations they have not handled the realistic line very well the past year or two, and are not willing to admit anything is their fault. And I also have reason to believe that they're just trying to milk the Clone Wars while they can (not to mention their actual cost per figure in that line and the Legends is probably lower than creating all new realistic figures up to today's standards, so they're probably trying to maximize profits but I doubt they'd ever admit that).
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... and how they are "pulling out all of the stops" for collectors this year ...
Hasbro is delusional if they think releasing no new product between January and the fall is "pulling out all the stops".
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Jeditemplearchives.com posted a nifty little slide (http://www.jeditemplearchives.com/news/images2010a/images.php?image=03) that reveals Hasbro's planning for 2010 - there's gonna be another foil UGH with the Basic Figures!
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Even more confirmation that "vintage" is returning in 2010 - the Nahdar Vebb mail-away sheet says so!
According to Adam Pawlus over at GH (http://www.galactichunter.com/absolutenm/templates/full_article_template_1.asp?articleid=8685&zoneid=2), the redemption form says...
"Collect and Save the UPC codes from any 5 figures from the Star Wars Build a Droid (87535 Asst.), Saga Legends (87995 Asst.), Star Wars: The Clone Wars (87638 or 94736 Asst.), or the Vintage (87568 Asst.) collections."
I'd say between the leaked slides and this official form (straight from a Hasbro product), there's not much doubt left that the vintage cards are making a comeback this Fall. ;)
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very cool! now please have some on display at TF!
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Hopefully the first few waves are at least all OT for us old timers.
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Hopefully the first few waves are at least all OT for us old timers.
Hasbro indicated in the Q&A that the four waves currently planned for Fall 2010 will be based on ESB, RotJ, AotC, and RotS (not necessarily in that order), with ANH and TPM in Spring 2011.
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If that is the case then I will be hoping for ROTJ to kick off the line. There are so many characters from that film that I am wanting done/redone.
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I'm very much pleased with the direction of the line. Hasbro has done well in making the line more appealing than the more dead-beat TLC line (yes, I loved that line, but its choices were beginning to get dull and its products nearly ALWAYS remained stagnant :P).
And I'm crossing my fingers Hasbro makes a SA Darth Maul on a TPM/Vintage card.
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And I'm crossing my fingers Hasbro makes a SA Darth Maul on a TPM/Vintage card.
Blasphemy! ;)
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I just want to get this straight based on some of the anger here. Hasbro has built a time machine and will be going back to the late 70s/early 80s to release PT stuff with the OT stuff they had already put out? Is that correct?
It's not that they are just giving us a card now that brings us back to our days of childhood with both OT and PT?
Now I understand the anger. ;)
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I can't comprehend the anger...I'm 41 years old, I'm a true-blooded 1977/Kenner fan. While I don't love the prequels, I certaunly don't hate them. The Kenner cardsbacks were a great, dynamic, bold and, eventually iconic, toy package. I would love to see prequel charcters with big glorious pictures on vintage cards. It's going to look great.
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That's the thing, despite feelings about whether or not prequel figures should be on "vintage" cards or not aside - the line should look really spiffy. Like many others, the vintage packaging is still my favorite of all time. Some of it may be nostalgia, but I actually always liked the design of having the big movie still/pic along with the black and silver scheme surrounding it. If this line looks like we think it will (basically like the vintage/VOTC/VTSC), I hope they stick with the scheme for awhile. I think the "Legacy" line, or whatever you'd like to call it at this point, is primarily all collectors at this point so they may as well go all out and target it at us like this. I like the fact that there is going to be a distinct visual difference between the lines for the first time in a long time as well.
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That's the thing, despite feelings about whether or not prequel figures should be on "vintage" cards or not aside - the line should look really spiffy. Like many others, the vintage packaging is still my favorite of all time. Some of it may be nostalgia, but I actually always liked the design of having the big movie still/pic along with the black and silver scheme surrounding it. If this line looks like we think it will (basically like the vintage/VOTC/VTSC), I hope they stick with the scheme for awhile. I think the "Legacy" line, or whatever you'd like to call it at this point, is primarily all collectors at this point so they may as well go all out and target it at us like this. I like the fact that there is going to be a distinct visual difference between the lines for the first time in a long time as well.
I have to agree with you on all points here. The last line is VERY important to the sustainability of the realistic (non legends) line. A distinct visual difference and hopefully a completely different SKU will tell the tale. If the line doesn't make it then, it's not going to make it at all again. Bringing back the look of the 70s/80s I personally think is a great move. Making it a different SKU from CW and Legends is a great business move. I am still not convinced Legends is outselling Legacy. I almost NEVER see Legacy figs on the pegs, while Legends is clogging stuff up next to an abundance of CW stuff. I'm lucky if I see a handful of Legacy figs.
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Yeah, that is one thing I am wondering - and it will depend on the actual figures (which we haven't seen yet) - but if nicely done figures, in vintage packaging, pretty much a "true" collector's line doesn't sell, then we might be in trouble on the realistic side of things. That said, when the Legacy stuff actually makes it to pegs around here, it is gone pretty quickly. I know CW sells well, and I always see a lot of it (but I think it does sell through pretty well), but I have a hard time believing the Legends/Legacy thing as well. Either way, I hope this new line really does well for Hasbro, and we continue to see something like this. I don't mind fewer releases in a year like this, as long as they are well done - have this spiffy vintage packaging, and hopefully in the future are spread throughout the year a little more.
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...and hopefully in the future are spread throughout the year a little more.
That's another thing that is really hurting this line. If the realistic figures are collector oriented, then they should be made available to us all year, not mostly in the last quarter.
Many of us are still scrambling trying to catch up. I still have not one figure from the ESB wave. Yet I'm hearing that there are sightings of yet another CW wave.
And here's a thought, when kids don't have CW figures to pick up, don't you think they are picking up OTHER toys. By other I mean, NOT SW. By having at least the realistic line available all year, the kiddos may be roped into collecting them too since they are SW. I'm just sayin'....
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So over at Yakface their new Q&A got confirmation of a new CC pilot coming this year. This is another head scratcher as the 2004 sculpt is great and did not need a resculpt at all. Rereleasing him makes sense but redoing him, this is a wasted slot of the few we are getting this year in my opinion. Between the AT-AT Driver, CC Pilot, somewhat the entire first wave (I am glad they went for 3 of the 4). I hope this trend does not continue.
I am 100% in for resculpts but only for those that desperately need it(Ackbar, Yakface, **** even Lobot needs it more). The CC pilot is going to sit in a vehicle does he nee to be SA. The 2004 was has pretty good articulation already.
Thoughts?
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So over at Yakface their new Q&A got confirmation of a new CC pilot coming this year. This is another head scratcher as the 2004 sculpt is great and did not need a resculpt at all. Rereleasing him makes sense but redoing him, this is a wasted slot of the few we are getting this year in my opinion. Between the AT-AT Driver, CC Pilot, somewhat the entire first wave (I am glad they went for 3 of the 4). I hope this trend does not continue.
I am 100% in for resculpts but only for those that desperately need it(Ackbar, Yakface, **** even Lobot needs it more). The CC pilot is going to sit in a vehicle does he nee to be SA. The 2004 was has pretty good articulation already.
Thoughts?
Agree completely.
Only thing I can think of is if Hasbro makes this with a removable Helmet. Not needed as we never saw them like that in the movie, but it would get me to buy at least a couple of them.
I too am discouraged by the number of unneeded resculpts when either completely new or much needed resculpts could and should have been done first, imo.
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Only thing I can think of is if Hasbro makes this with a removable Helmet. Not needed as we never saw them like that in the movie, but it would get me to buy at least a couple of them.
I too am discouraged by the number of unneeded resculpts when either completely new or much needed resculpts could and should have been done first, imo.
Like the OTC version (http://www.jedidefender.com/gallery/imageFolio.cgi?direct=Collectibles/Modern/Original_Trilogy_Collection/Basic_Figures/19_Cloud_Car_Pilot) had?
I for one am all for a new version. The pre-posed arms of the OTC version need addressing for sure and the knee joint articulation of old is not nearly as esthetically pleasing as today's figures. Bring on a new CC pilot I say.
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Plus, maybe the OTC one won't work well with the new Cloud Car?
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Plus, maybe the OTC one won't work well with the new Cloud Car?
I highly doubt that, he is a pretty slim figure. If that is true this new one will be the size of an Ugnaught.
With so few figures being released, Hasbro's confirmation that the new Vintage line will have NO pack in to lower their costs, interest has waned and production numbers are lower for figures, I stand by the fact this is a wasted slot.
Get to the ones that need it first. This dude is going to sit in a vehicle, ball jointed knees and arms on him is really unnecessary. I would rather see Lobot get updated as he is too tall, really crappy articulation and a so-so sculpt.
If we had the old number of new figures and 7-8 waves for the year I would not care but these slots are so few now, spend them wisely.
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At least they aren't $10-12 like the previous VOTC/VTSC releases were.
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Only thing I can think of is if Hasbro makes this with a removable Helmet. Not needed as we never saw them like that in the movie, but it would get me to buy at least a couple of them.
I too am discouraged by the number of unneeded resculpts when either completely new or much needed resculpts could and should have been done first, imo.
Like the OTC version (http://www.jedidefender.com/gallery/imageFolio.cgi?direct=Collectibles/Modern/Original_Trilogy_Collection/Basic_Figures/19_Cloud_Car_Pilot) had?
I for one am all for a new version. The pre-posed arms of the OTC version need addressing for sure and the knee joint articulation of old is not nearly as esthetically pleasing as today's figures. Bring on a new CC pilot I say.
heh, I'm getting old, I completely forgot about that...
Okay instead of the head with the under-gear on it, then a new head, maybe include a cap? I dunno. Just not excited about a new CC pilot. As you deftly showed, the previous one is most certainly good enough. For me they will just be sitting in the CCs, so added articulation isn't necessary for my needs. I'd rather see an all new, never before made character.
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With a new Cloud Car coming out, a new pilot makes perfect sense to me. The old one was great for when it came out, but Hasbro can do a lot better these days. Plus, it seems like there's a much smaller pool of ESB characters to pull from, and this is one that could use a definite presence in the line again. Might as well go with a new version rather than a repack... and this is MUCH more interesting to me than seeing yet another Rebel pilot. Hasbro flooded the market with those the past two years so this is a great change of pace.
Anyways, my pilots won't just be sitting in their ship, they'll be walking around Bespin too, and a few might get chopped up for custom parts if it turns into better fodder than the last one. :)
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Though probably not part of this first wave, it looks like Dak is coming (http://www.imperialshipyards.net/SMF/index.php?PHPSESSID=9789cf16777b36d39bc00e459c7ec7bc&topic=192.msg48704#msg48704) only to get smoked. ;)
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With a new Cloud Car coming out, a new pilot makes perfect sense to me.
Agreed.
Since the Cloud Car is coming out I think it should be obvious that Hasbro would release a figure to drive it. I know that hasn't been the way they've operated in the past, but to release a ship and not either pack in a driver or separately release a driver (which is probably more profitable for Hasbro), is bound to reduce sales of that vehicle.
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I'm with JACKOFALLTRADZE...this pattern of picking suspect resculpts is getting a little lame...especially with glaring vintage figures that either haven't been made or need POTF2 resculpts...
Walrus Man
Power Droid
Hoth Rebel Soldier
Luke Hoth
Bespin Han
Black Bespin Guard
Imperial Dignitary
Nien Nunb
Admiral Ackbar
Barada
Nikto
As long as stuff gets made, I'm cool but the cutting back and not so necessary resculpts are getting old
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Though probably not part of this first wave, it looks like Dak is coming (http://www.imperialshipyards.net/SMF/index.php?PHPSESSID=9789cf16777b36d39bc00e459c7ec7bc&topic=192.msg48704#msg48704) only to get smoked. ;)
Yeah, I guess the big question is - are the new CC Pilot and Dak coming in 2010 Wave 1, a 2011 ESB wave, or some other way (BP, 2-pack, exclusive, etc)?
ps I spun this out of the Wave 1 thread since we don;'t know for sure when they are coming and it all seems more related to the "Vintage" line overall...
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Thanks to the Q&A at JTA (http://www.jeditemplearchives.com/content/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=5785/#details) we have official word - NO pack-ins with the "Vintage" line.
Guess the stands/card/dice will be for CW and Legends figures only. It was brought up once or twice in the thread that the smaller Kenner-esque bubble would most likely kill pack-ins and larger accessories and it looks as though that is definitely the case.
Let the "these cost way too much with or without a cool pack-in" griping commence! :P
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HASBLO RAPES MY WALLET1!!!111!!! :P
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These cost way too much with or without a cool pack-in! lol
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Since the Cloud Car is coming out I think it should be obvious that Hasbro would release a figure to drive it. I know that hasn't been the way they've operated in the past, but to release a ship and not either pack in a driver or separately release a driver (which is probably more profitable for Hasbro), is bound to reduce sales of that vehicle.
Do not get me wrong, I agree he should be out at retail witht he ship but I would rather see a recarded 2004 one. And I would rather see a more needed resculpt in the new ones place. The 2004 figure is a solid figure with a great sculpt, and not horrible articulation to boot like Lobot, Bespin Leia, Dagobah Luke, Luke Hoth, Dagaobah Spirit Vader, Piett, Admiral Ozzel & the Vintage Deck Officer. A Never before done character in the modern line: Toyn Farr, Sheckil, Foo man Choo Bespin Guard, Wiorkettle, SA Imperial Office in Black, Wyron Serper would have been better choices.
Hell why not do a Light up Carbonite Block as a basic figure. it can have side green lights and a red like to look like the defrosting one from 2006.
I am not sad about the clam shells going away. I now can hang the previous series on my collection room walls without the clamshells to make room for the new lin that I will buy extras of to keep carded. That's the only thing I hate about this new line being the mainline. The only figures I ever bought doubles of to keep packaged were the Vintage ones. I may just stick to the originals.
Very exciting shiznit! (Outside of the New CC Pilot) ;)
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That's the only thing I hate about this new line being the mainline.
Things I still have concerns about this being the mainline:
- smaller bubbles = less room for accessories and no pack-ins :(
- With no clamshells, how are they going to hang on the pegs? Will they have the "slot" like the Vintage cards did? If so, it'll be a bitch - you'll have to pull figures off the pegs to get the one you want... not to mention how many folks will just "pull" then off and pop the slot, ruining the cardback. Or will they use the more standard J-hooks, which would be a lot easier to hang/sort,etc.
- What size will the cardback be? Will they go back to the Vintage size cardback or will the new ones have the new smaller cardback size we've seen this year? If they are the smaller size, it's going to bug my OCD that they won't match the Kenner and VOTC styles hanging on my wall already. :(
J-Hooks and classic cardback size will make me happy. The vintage peg slot and smaller cardbacks will make me sad. Guess I wait until TF to see...
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All solid points but I order by the case so my chances of getting intact card are better. Lets be realistic here guys, these cards are going to be spotty. I hope they have more rigidity than the original series. Hopefully they will be more like the Joe Cardbacks, they used a thicker cardboard.
With the crappy distribution and waning sales, old stock, Bearded Hot Wheel Collectors and crappy situations like the EU wave I am more committed to ordering online than ever.
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Well, let me be the first to seriously say the lack of a pack-in really sucks on behalf of Hasbro, and it greatly diminishes the reason I buy figures. I just bought an extra AT-AT Driver Sunday to complete a 2nd BAD... So now I won't be compelled to do that. Once again Hasbro cuts down the ammount I spend in a year which is fine by me, but they're complaining we don't support the line (By "we" I of course man collectors).
I do... I always have. But my support is waning. I've gone from buying tons of army building figures to sometimes only one of a certain character. I still stock up on others, but the reality is I'm sure in 2008 and 2009 I bought a LOT less army builders than I did in the previous few years. That's not MY fault though, that's Hasbro's for bumping prices. The same applies to me buying fodder... I just simply don't do it as often anymore, and instead now wait for sales.
Now, I did buy an extra here and there to complete a droid... But now that too is gone, and I won't have incentive to buy a random repack like I did before. Why buy my umpteenth Star Corps Clone if there's no droid part? Why buy another Snowtrooper when I've got beyond an AT-AT's compliment of them?
No reason, so no purchase. I'm one person so obviously I don't mean a lot, but it starts to add up as others I'm sure are doing similarly.
It's simply disappointing to me is all, that the one thing that pushed me to consider the price-hikes as balancing out is now pulled from beneath us. What's the difference between 2010 figures and 2009 figures that we can't get parts to build droids? The cardback/bubble I'm sure is partly to blame, but then a price drop should've followed IMO.
I'll be buying in 2010, but I can safely say that I'll spend less this year than last year. A steady decline in the ammount of stuff I buy every year isn't good though, and it's also not my fault. I want to buy, but I certainly hit my threshold at the $7.50+ prices... Something had to give, and it's been a lot of somethings that go beyond even the basic figures. I'm one guy, but one guy that spends less and less every year.
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Yeah, the lack of a pack in does sort of stink...but I guess I expected it with the vintage look. We knew that the droid parts were going away, and to be honest, aside from the larger (or more) accessories we occasionally got - or a figure stand - I don't know if I'd care much otherwise. Sure, some of them are nice, but if they aren't there I can't say I care too much. Now, the fact that the prices are going to be just as high makes it sting quite a bit more. I can understand Hasbro's point of view with there being less produced=higher prices, but it does make it tough when they keep taking stuff away but the price stays the same.
Jeff brings up some interesting points earlier as well. I'm fine with the clamshell going away as well, but what does that mean for putting them on the pegs? I also hope the cardbacks are the same size as previous "vintage" versions.
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While I would love to see a good pack in I did not consider this Emo-generation, Yu-gi-Oh game **** appealing at all. If fact, they will do me a favor by not packing them in. I rather see the current high price stay the same, continue to invest in the line and still be at retail.
I do not buy this "so many collectors left spiel". Pegs are empty with Legacy not overstocked, this is the same story with Collectors across the country. They sound like a bunch of Politicians blaming everyone else but themselves. Frankly, I am getting really tired of it. Hasbro dropped the ball big time in a lot of areas. They need to fess up and suck it up. Stop pointing fingers and telling us to support the line more. I am out of room:
http://www.jedidefender.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=19969.0
I support his line and then some with custom fodder. They need to take some responsibility, it's a real turn off.
Let's shine a light on what they contributed to the current mess:
- Comic Pack choices. (Waiter Wedge anyone?)
- Horrendous Distribution: 2 straight years of Drought/Glut
- The ARC/Y-Wing Debacle. They should have delayed the SKU instead of heading in with a $65 ARC. (They admitted the value was not there with the ARC and that was a filler spot until the Y-Wing production caught up. Now they blame inflation for the price. Again they are taking ques from Washington.)
- Figure Variants. Major ball drop here 4 times.
- The Organas. anyone could have seen those warm pegs coming a mile away.
- $50 for a Tie interceptor. Sorry inflation is not that bad...yet.
- Mighty Flopps. (When are they going to learn sub lines do not fly.)
- Ecliptic Tie. The King of Vehicle Dogs. You could not even give those away at $10.
- The Ancient and irrelevant 90's Crimson Empire Power Rangers with the reuse of the most ****** legs TAC could offer. Hell, even Academy Biggs had better gams than those with more articulation.
- Joker Squad. (Maleval and the Female Trooper were nice.) Weak overall.
So sorry, but screw Hasbro's finger pointing at the collector. I have my own middle finger to point at them.
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The pack in has never did it for me, but after BAD, we're all a bit spoiled. I'm thrilled with the new vintage cards. There's a lot of doom and gloom out there, so I prefer to look it as glass half-full. We're getting vintage cards back, new figures, a new AT AT, a new Jabba, and the price isn't going up. It's not going down, but it's not going up. If we're nearing the end, and I think we are, for a dedicated movie line anyways, I plan to enjoy it for what it is. I will likely be buying cases, knowing now that the cards will be truly vintage.
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The only thing that has really gotten me to buy much lately were the red carded two packs for the price of one. I have entire Jedi and ANH waves and B-A-Ds now. Originally I left a lot of those figures on the pegs because of the price.
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It's not going down, but it's not going up. If we're nearing the end, and I think we are, for a dedicated movie line anyways, I plan to enjoy it for what it is. I will likely be buying cases, knowing now that the cards will be truly vintage.
I hate the doom and gloomers but what I really hate the blame game from Hasbro. They better get their act together this year because as you pointed out the flat level the line is in right now is definitely not good long term. 2010 will really decide the future of the line. I plan to support everything movie based in a big way.
I want to add if they were going to give up in the near future I highly doubt they would invest in such heavy tooling for all of these new vehicles especially a BAT-AT. So even if it goes bad I think 2011 would wrap up the line at least for a hiatus period.
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Prequel Figures in a "Vintage" line is what will kill the line for me.
Yes, I am an old narrow minded horses rear-end, but that is the way I feel and no amount of "Get over it" posts will change my mind.
I'm just glad the "Vintage" is back.
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While I would love to see a good pack in I did not consider this Emo-generation, Yu-gi-Oh game **** appealing at all. If fact, they will do me a favor by not packing them in. I rather see the current high price stay the same, continue to invest in the line and still be at retail.
I do not buy this "so many collectors left spiel". Pegs are empty with Legacy not overstocked, this is the same story with Collectors across the country. They sound like a bunch of Politicians blaming everyone else but themselves. Frankly, I am getting really tired of it. Hasbro dropped the ball big time in a lot of areas. They need to fess up and suck it up. Stop pointing fingers and telling us to support the line more. I am out of room:
http://www.jedidefender.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=19969.0
I support his line and then some with custom fodder. They need to take some responsibility, it's a real turn off.
Let's shine a light on what they contributed to the current mess:
- Comic Pack choices. (Waiter Wedge anyone?)
- Horrendous Distribution: 2 straight years of Drought/Glut
- The ARC/Y-Wing Debacle. They should have delayed the SKU instead of heading in with a $65 ARC. (They admitted the value was not there with the ARC and that was a filler spot until the Y-Wing production caught up. Now they blame inflation for the price. Again they are taking ques from Washington.)
- Figure Variants. Major ball drop here 4 times.
- The Organas. anyone could have seen those warm pegs coming a mile away.
- $50 for a Tie interceptor. Sorry inflation is not that bad...yet.
- Mighty Flopps. (When are they going to learn sub lines do not fly.)
- Ecliptic Tie. The King of Vehicle Dogs. You could not even give those away at $10.
- The Ancient and irrelevant 90's Crimson Empire Power Rangers with the reuse of the most ****** legs TAC could offer. Hell, even Academy Biggs had better gams than those with more articulation.
- Joker Squad. (Maleval and the Female Trooper were nice.) Weak overall.
So sorry, but screw Hasbro's finger pointing at the collector. I have my own middle finger to point at them.
Great points made JACK. I agree completely with this post.
While I'll state I buy less due to room for all of this stuff, and having bought a home recently, there is a lot of blame to pricing, choice of characters made, availability.
If the price is too high, we're not gonna buy,
If the characters made, don't fit the grade,
If it's lack of availability, it's actually quite silly,
we ain't gonna buy...
Corny as that "peom" may be, it rings true for many of us. Price is way to high. Taking away what is the best pack-in to date and keeping the same price, just isn't going to fly with us. Constant reissues, or unneeded upgrades over previously never before made characters, or characters that DO need an upgrade (Ponda Baba, and Dr. Evazan for just two examples), keeps us from buying. And number one...if these are produced in lower numbers not only is it going to make it harder for us to get, but of course the numbers will look lower.
Cut back on the damn Legends line! ramp up production on the Vintage line. And for the love of gawd, do NOT include Legends line in the vintage line. Keep those two lines SEPARATE! It's the only way we can easily show the difference to the store clerks and tell them exactly what figures we want. Otherwise, Hasbro, you're just going to keep perpetuating the same problems all over again. And worse, you'll blame we collectors not yourself for it.
I like MANY other collectors have spent thousands if not tens of thousands on this stuff. Show some damn respect for us. We ARE your core base for the realistic line. Trounce on us and yes, we'll leave. Not make the figures we want, yes we'll leave, complain about the complaints we have, yes we'll leave. Granted some of our complaints may seem frivolous, but WE are the consumer. It's OUR money you're after ultimately. If we weren't buying form the likes of Wal*Mart, Target and Toys R Us, the you wouldn't have a leg to stand on for this line.
I may be but one person (who in just the last 15 years has spent well into the tens of thousands for just your stuff alone), but add us all up and we make a formidible force that you just plain can not afford to lose.
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The down side (or up depending on how one looks at it, and who,) is that I'll be getting these carded. Hopefully the case packs will be such that ordering cases on-line will suffice.
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I am very, VERY satisifed w/ the direction of this line. NO, I'm not one of the old-school collectors who grew up w/ the OT, and, although I respect their opinions, I think the realistic line needs fresh new direction, especially w/ the rise of the TCW line (which Hasbro loves to say is for the kids). I'm very much enthusiastic to see a SA Darth Maul or Zam Wesell on these cards (not to pull anyone's legs here). ;)
And WHAT THE HELL DID THEY DO TO BESPIN LUKE'S ANKLES?!
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I got sick of the glut, I haven't bought a single figure in 2009 period. Partly due to the cost, partly due to the distribution but mostly due to the assortments. Seriously, they repack everything but can't repack Darth Reven, Darth Malek or pre-cyborg grievous? Minor rant but seriously, rotate the legends figures hasbro. I missed a lot of figures that I wanted but I just couldn't justify the cost. Hasbro can say all they want about rising cost, etc. but they have the volume across the board that can keep costs down. They can't tell me they use different plastic formulas for everyline they offer or different paints across the lines. The cardbacks shouldn't even be an issue since they're paying for a large sheet of board and as long as the waste is minimal they're still probably getting the same number of cards per sheet. Bandai is making 3 1/4'' Power Rangers figures in a $5-6 dollar range and probably in smaller numbers. Toybiz managed to keep the costs of Marvel Legends figures in a 6'' scale around $8 and now we pay more than that for a Hasbro 3 1/4'' version? None of it really adds up except for Hasbro seeing the secondary market and getting an idea of what can be sustained. That's the only thing I can think of as originally the ARC-170 was a $30 ship that did at one time sell for $60-$75 in a ROTS box on the secondary market but that's around the new retail price. But those days are gone. If they could get the new "vintage" line to be around the $5-$6 range I'll bet they'd see an increase in sales volume regardless of what figure gripes there may be. Mainly because it's an easier pill to swallow.
Now that I've ranted. I think the vintage carback is the way to go. They shouldn't have ever changed it. My reasoning is that Star Wars is the only toy line where there is a market for vintage cards without figures on them. Change the graphic, maybe; but leave the original concept alone. To me it identified the brand. Changing it every year is just retarded to me. GI Joe always seemed to do OK on what basically amounts to the same design. Send the occasional accesories pack to retail for cantina tables, control panels and mouse droids or what not and be done with it. Better yet, release playsets that aren't exclusives and not $50! I'll be ordering these by the case which is what I don't think Hasbro considers. But once they are done with this Vintage concept I'll probably be done again. I don't need SA variants of all figures. Some of them I think would be fine like the old school style with nearly no articulation at all! I know, Blaspheme! Many of us do order by the case bypassing Wal-Mart, Target and TRU all together. That has to skiew their numbers regarding the collectors somewhat. I'd just like them to get off their asses and finally make a decent Death Star playset. I bet that'd boost at least some figure sales if they'd just release the right ones.
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The latest from Hasbro;
In 2010, Hasbro is taking STAR WARS fans back to “a long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away” with 28 STAR WARS 3 ¾ inch VINTAGE ACTION FIGURES. The selection includes all-time favorite characters from throughout the six-film Saga, such as LUKE SKYWALKER, 4-LOM, DENGAR and HAN SOLO. Each of the figures in this assortment will feature the exceptionally accurate design and superb articulation customary to Hasbro’s action figures, and they will be offered in packaging reminiscent to that of the original 1978-1984 STAR WARS packaging!
So, 28 new figures plus repacks, I'm assuming. That's in line with what they stated in one of the Q&A answers I believe. Twelve figs per case, that would be about 4 cases for 48 total figs in 2010, also about what they stated before.
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Reminiscent of the original packaging? Could mean the difference between doing a carded set or not.
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Yodasnews.com is tweeting from the Hasbro slide show. Nothing major beyond the Hoth wave yet (Echo Base Han is what we expected, still has the horrible torso joint though).
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Yakface's facebook page has pics of the slides, actual AT-AT, Cloud Car, boxed Snowspeeder. Some of this stuff I guess is not the Vintage basic figure line but here you go anyway.
Vinty basic figuers I think were:
Dengar
Han Solo Echo Base
Leia Hoth
Luke Bespin
At-At Cmdr
Dak Ralter
Boba Fett - looked like a new cape?
Cloud Car Pilot - mustache
Darth Vader
C-3PO
Mail-A-Way Rocket Firing Fett
Exlusive 4-Lom/Zuckuss Convention 2 pack - Available online
Darth Maul/Uncle Owen Lars - Visionairies convention 2 pack
Camie/Fixer - 2 pack
Snowspeeder
Cloud Car
Remote Control Falcon
Remote Control HailFire Droid
Roleplay Boba Fett Helmet
Roleplay Greivous spinning lightsaber
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The following is a paraphrased quote from a forumite here who is at Toy Fair. I didn't want to give his name in case he didn't want to be named so here's just the info form ToyFair:
The AT-AT and two other OT vehicles will be available in Kenner style vintage packaging at TRU while the general release will have the new blue, cloudy Captain Rex packaging. Only the packaging is exclusive.
The MSRP on the vintage line will be $7.99 while the Clone Wars and Legends will carry a $6.99 MSRP. The new Galactic Battle Game will come with Clone Wars and Saga Legends figures.
You may be happy to know that it looks like we're getting a Mando Guard in the CW line as well as Aurra Sing, new Grievous and Battle Droids. Cad Bane on his speeder. Looks like abou 31 figures in the CW line this year.
Confirmation on the Mandolorian with speeder bike in the Deluxe line. New Interceptor Tank. The Hailfire Droid I in the R/C line, comes with a figure and missiles you can launch from the remote. Also, Battle Packs for CW, one of which supports the Hailfire droid.
The ESB Han solo has been confirmed as the "welding" version, where he appears on the Falcon with Chewie on Hoth. New Hoth Leia coming along with others we've already seen; Luke, Dengar and AT-AT Commander. New C-3PO on his was as well as Dak and Cloud Car pilot which Hasbro confirmed last week in a Q&A.
The Rocket Firing Fett will have J-slot and a small missle with a longer launching version. Classic 5 points of articulation and paint apps like Kenner. 5 POPs for the offer.
Galactic Heroes line will have an AT-AT also. New GH figs will include some from the EU like Republic Commandos.
The Teek figure we saw this week will be in a Disney exclusive Star Tours boarding set.
Confirmation on the Camie and Fixer comic pack for Celebration V exclusive. Also, 4-LOM and Zuckuss.
Darth Maul and Owen Lars are SDCC exclusives.
Great, so higher price for collector figures, yet the CW gets a game piece and costs less. Go figure. I suppose it's because Hasbro will produce less figures for the vintage line so this is their way of making up the difference.
I'm not buying these for the card style. I just can't justify that anymore. If these are new figures great, I'll get them, but if they are just repacks then it's a pass for me. If it's a slight repaint then it's a pass, if it's a slight upgrade in articulation, it's a pass.
Anyone else feel like they are being burned by the higher price of the vintage line?
Hopefully the majority of the figures will be all new and warrant a purchase from us, otherwise I don't really see the point. They'll just keep driving away we long time fans. So be it then.
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I don't mind the higher price at all. First off, Clone Wars figures have much less articulation, and while wvery well made, have less paint opps too.
Anyway, I don't mind paying a dollar more for somthing that is aimed at ME, an adult collector with different tastes than an child. Honestly, I'd pay 10.00 a fig if I was guaranteed oddball figures like Dr. Ezavan or Dak on retro cards.
And, it's really only a dollar more.
Look, I'd just rather deal with the differences in prices, than give up the collector oriented focus that SW has had for years. I would stop collecting if they stopped making background charcaters and one-line players. What would be the point?
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Carding is sharp, but I worry about a few things. First, thieves are running wild with the BAD parts; these are going to be super easy to tear into and take figures. Second, the punch-hole. If a figure you want is in the very back of the pegs, you have to take EVERYTHING off the pegs to get to it.
Also the MSRP usually never comes true. Remember, to stores Star Wars is Star Wars. It might take a few weeks but eventually everything will settle in at the same price. (probably $7.50)
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Just looking through the pics and info a bit (JTA currently has the slide show up, but I'm sure it is on its way here soon too)...and it all looks pretty great to me. So glad to see the vintage line look back, and that it is hanging around for awhile. I think the overall size of the line is pretty good, and I was surprised to see we'd be getting all those rumored/confirmed ESB figures in the same wave to kick things off (eleven of them total I believe?). Some are just slightly changed, but they all look pretty nice. That's one problem (for me at least), the only lines I've really ever collected carded and loose are the VOTC/VTSC lines - this line will be tempting, and that could mean trouble. Time to start saving up :).
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Second, the punch-hole. If a figure you want is in the very back of the pegs, you have to take EVERYTHING off the pegs to get to it.
Please, someone who was at Toy-Fare, does Hasbro plan to have stick-on J-hooks or something? I think the very feature Diddly is talking about is going to a huge problem for collectors at retail. I'm not too worried about having to take 7 figures of the peg to get the 8th (ok, stop laughing now, I know its mythical to see 8 new figures at retail...). What I am worried about is what is going to happen to the cards every time they are taken on and off the pegs. Add to that the shoppers who will just tear the figure off the peg, and then won't buy the figure, so they'll end up in a pile at the bottom of the pegs.
I'm almost exclusively an opener, so I'm not too worried about the shape of the card, but there might be a few of these Vintage ones I keep carded. Which seems to be a fairly common sentiment, if I'm reading the mood of JD right. I have the distinct impression that come November there are going to be a lot of complaints from people who will be posting some variation of "I saw _____ at retail, only thing was the card was ripped off the peg, I'm still holding out for a card in good shape/not mangled."
Hopefully Hasbro will use plastic sticker style hooks that will come off the card cleanly or a similar solution.
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The cards have the vintage punch, but with a plastic re-inforcement on the back of the card that was designed to keep people from just pulling it off the pegs and ripping the top of the card.
Also, on the subject of the punch/hole - I've seen people talking about getting "unpunched" cards if they buy cases online - this may NOT be the case. Hasbro said was that they were not sure HOW they were going to be packed in the factory. They said it's possible that the maufacturer may ship them "unpunched" (to be "punched" when pegged), but they said that manufacturing may also punch them ahead of time in order to square up the placement of the plastic re-inforcements. They made no guarantees on "unpunched" cards.
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And a lot of the discussion about that after the show was that the card-cutting process isn't the same today as it was in 1978... I know I wouldn't count on the machine leaving the holes "unpunched" because they don't work that way anymore really.
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And a lot of the discussion about that after the show was that the card-cutting process isn't the same today as it was in 1978... I know I wouldn't count on the machine leaving the holes "unpunched" because they don't work that way anymore really.
You've never heard of "kiss-cut" then Jesse. It's still used in printing all the time. It's a readily available process.
I'm in advertising/design/printing don't forget. We use this process ourselves several times a year.
Just a couple of years ago the VOTC line had unpunched cards. That process hasn't changed, believe me. If Hasbro wants to make it happen they will.
Since these new Vintage style cards aren't going to be in a clamshell though, there really isn't a need to send these unpunched, save for those few collectors who want their cards cherry.
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The question though is Hasbro going to go to their factories and ask them to do special set-ups on the machines or run these through separate machinery, to appease packaged fans? I doubt that.
Almost anything's possible to be duplicated, but in the 1970's/1980's the cards were cranked out of the factories that way. That's changed today. Is it even possible for them to get their current factories to do this for them? That's debatable and only someone there knows. I have no doubt it's possible to get done though of course. I just wouldn't count on it happening since I imagine it takes some changes in the production process to happen that way.
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I gave up the carded collecting a while back, and while I may be tempted to keep a few of the new figures carded, I don't think there is anything that can turn me back in to a carded collector. The high price of figures has been a big deterrent to purchasing much of anything, and it sure isn't going to turn back in to two of everything.
The one piece I don't understand is the pack-in anger. I think a mail away is a better deal than stands, slides or cards, and is just about the same as a BAD. Yes, you have to pay shipping this way, but the vinty cardbacks weren't going to work very well with a BAD element in them. It would have ruined the design behind the new cards.
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Sorry if I missed the memo, but the little Fett stickers are easily removable - right?
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Sorry if I missed the memo, but the little Fett stickers are easily removable - right?
That's what's been said, Mikey.
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I never collected carded figures. The only carded figs I collected are the VOTC/VTSC lines and the McQuarries figures, but this year I will probably get a carded set to look good with the VOTC/VTSC, I am excited :) while my wallet :'(
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I can't resist the vintage cardbacks. Now if only I could find some VOTC cases. . .
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Um...I've got about 12-15 in my attic. Want them?
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So, since ten of the thirty seven figures we're getting in the Vintage Collection this year are supposed to be "Greatest Hits never before seen on Vintage Cards", are there any in particular you would like to see? I'm sure many (if not all) will be from the prequels (I think Grievous, Maul, and Qui Gon were all mentioned during the presentation if I remember correctly from what I watched online), but are there any others you'd specifically like to see? I wouldn't mind seeing some of the figures we maybe would have/should have got in the vintage era, like Stormtrooper Han, Jabba's Prisoner Leia, Sandtrooper, etc. I'd say things like Tarkin and the Rebel Fleet Trooper as well, but I think those could use better figures instead of just being repacked.
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All of those, and Wedge! :)
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All of those, and Wedge! :)
I knew there was a big one I was forgetting....definitely Wedge. We all know how long we've waited to see him on a basic card, and the vintage line would be the perfect place. Hopefully we see the one from the Target X-Wing recarded into this line sometime soon (or even a Snowspeeder version). One of the most overlooked characters of the entire saga, hopefully he'll get his basic carded due.
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I'd love to see both X-Wing and Snowspeeder versions, but I'll settle for either one at this point. I'd love a ROTJ card.
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I go back and forth on a carded set. I know I won't be able to resist the temptation come Fall, though, so I just as well get used to the idea and start saving now. :D
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I imagine they're including Boba Fett, 4-LOM, & the "fixed" Vader as Greatest Hits so far, and we're not getting an ANH wave this year, so that limits it to seven figures from AOTC, ROTS, and ROTJ.
It would be a cop out for them to repack one of the "new" Ewoks. But I can totally see them rereleasing the new Slave Leia. Can't really see them using any more of the Legacy ROTJ figures, though. Maybe somebody kinda old like J'Quille or Tanus Spijek. Heck, my dream ROTJ repack would be Bubo (even without a Jawa handler, though they should both fit in a vintage bubble).
When they get around to some ANH figures, I wouldn't be surprised to see them trot out Captain Antilles again. Didn't they recently say how good the sculpt holds up on him specifically? I'd like to see a few out of date repacks there too, like the big R1 droid and the Yavin Honor Guard.
Of course, they can always wedge Wedge in to any of the OT waves.
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For me personally, my must haves for this line break down like so:
OT:
Jawa, Death Squad Commander, Hammerhead, Wedge, Slave Leia, Stormtrooper Han, Tarkin, Oola, Cantina Band Member, Snowtrooper Commander, Uncle Owen, Rebel Fleet Trooper, Death Star 2 Luke, Removable Helmet Vader (I know we're techincally getting one already, but I wanted as a kid a figure that did this, and featured helmetless Vader on the card).
PT:
Qui Gon, Maul, Jar Jar, Amidala, Anakin, Obi-Wan, Battle Droid, Destroyer Droid, Jango Fett, Count Dooku, Mace, Sidious, Grievous, Clone Trooper(s), Cody, Plo Koon, and lots of stuff that's not necessarily recards.
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I'm very pleased by how Hasbro is upping their game in the articulation department. C-3PO is by far just waaaay too amazing. I'm still waiting for a similar R2-D2.
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I'm still waiting for a similar R2-D2.
How much more "pimping" can Hasbro do with R2? I'm actually quite happy with my mass army of astro-droid repaints - once I finally open all of them that is.
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Resurgance R2 is my ultimate...they can keep making that forever
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I wouldn't mind seeing R2 get the "Clone Wars R2" treatment with hidable gear like that rather than the pop-on parts and stuff. Beyond that though, I agree that Resurgence R2 could come out with a couple deco variants and I'd gladly rebuy (Sandy/muddy/snowy/greasy/etc.). I'd take 2 or 3 clean ones too.
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Though the resurgence R2 would be acceptable, one with bells and whistles would justify the price a heck of a lot better.
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Just a reminder that Hasbro has already said via the Q&A that they are working on a new R2/Astromech sculpt -
"we are currently developing an all new astromech with some pretty nifty features for the line in late 2010."
There's nothing specific mentioned in the answer, but they've dropped enough hints in other Q&As about lightsaber-popping and endor bunker attachments that the rumor mill says we'll see this new R2 in the Fall RotJ wave... nothing confirmed yet though.
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I think that's spot on about the R2. Hopefully worth it.
There are rumours of Sandtrooper and Hammerhead carded. Personaly i love the idea of a vintage style treatment for the sandtrooper - hoping for orange pauldron.
Can't wait to see Evazan on a vintage card. Ponda is apparently comming as well, which got me thinking, having seen the vintage packaging and paint scheme exclusive on 4 lom and Zuckuss -anybody else think we might get a similarly styled exclusive "Walrus Man"?
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Yeah, I don't know if they would do that or not for Walrus Man. That would be kind of fun though. Hasbro could do quite a bit of exclusives that way but not sure how well it would go over? I am hoping we get a grey "Death Squad Commander" out of all this vintageness.
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The grey death squad commander is suposedly rumoured for early next year. I'd anticipate a name change ,maybe instead of "star" destroyer they could opt for" death star commander"?
We will have to see how it pans out.
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All I know about the 2011 (!) ANH wave, is that if Hasbro is wise to collectors' desires and is aware of nostalgia as a something that will get poeple to spend, they will put a Grand Moff Tarkin, Rebel Fleet Trooper, and Sandtrooper in that wave on great new/retro cards. As a child who collected from 1978 to 1985, those were the three figures that we desired more than any others.
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One of those is very likely for 2011, according to what I was told. :)
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One of those is very likely for 2011, according to what I was told. :)
With that smiley face, Jesse, I'd hedge a bet on the Fleet Trooper.
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One of those is very likely for 2011, according to what I was told. :)
With that smiley face, Jesse, I'd hedge a bet on the Fleet Trooper.
I hope so. I am so ready to ditch the 5 different ones I have with the "once advanced swivel articulation" in the knees. Let the upgrades continue!
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All I know about the 2011 (!) ANH wave, is that if Hasbro is wise to collectors' desires and is aware of nostalgia as a something that will get poeple to spend, they will put a Grand Moff Tarkin, Rebel Fleet Trooper, and Sandtrooper in that wave on great new/retro cards. As a child who collected from 1978 to 1985, those were the three figures that we desired more than any others.
Second that, my good man! The only other figures that came close for me were Biggs and Wedge.
I really hope the ANH wave is a big honkin' wave like the ESB wave previewed. And I hope the prequel waves are limited to 3-4 "key" figures that make sense on Vintage cards. Figures wth "ties" to the OT, if you will, like Anakin and Obi-Wan. Though I'm sure everyone is tired of those guys on the shelves.
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Very good news to hear that Bom Vimdin is confirmed at last, he was my #1 choice for new Cantina dude for years now. Evezan and Ponda will also be welcome additions. So is there going to be another ANH wave at all next year or is Fall 2011 it? I'm a bit surprised that they'd forgo ANH for such a long time.
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I agree...if they are so worried about losing long time collectors, why would they ignore the original source of the material?
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I never thought about it until a Galactic Hunter reader in a Q/A w/ Adam Pawlus pointed out that people would have a difficult time getting to desired figures waaay back in the shelves without the J-hook. It's a very valid point. Either those impatient enough are either going to 1. get REALLy frustrated while taking down all the figures to get to that one in the back, or 2. just straight up tear the package off the hook. It really makes you wonder.
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I never thought about it until a Galactic Hunter reader in a Q/A w/ Adam Pawlus pointed out that people would have a difficult time getting to desired figures waaay back in the shelves without the J-hook. It's a very valid point. Either those impatient enough are either going to 1. get REALLy frustrated while taking down all the figures to get to that one in the back, or 2. just straight up tear the package off the hook. It really makes you wonder.
Those butterfly holes on the Vintage Collection cardbacks are going to be reinforced with plastic. So tearing cards off of the pegs will be prohibitive.
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Those butterfly holes on the Vintage Collection cardbacks are going to be reinforced with plastic. So tearing cards off of the pegs will be prohibitive.
I'm guessing there's gonna be some unhappy collectors that are gonna want to get to that figure 11th on the pegs.
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I'm counting on basically lots of figures laying on the ground or the lower shelves. Not that it isn't an uncommon sight now, but I think it'll be a bit worse and more frequent. I also think cards may suffer more damage from that, than just the tearing of the peg hole.
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Wedge confirmed for the Vintage line. (http://www.rebelscum.com/story/front/Hasbros_84th_STAR_WARS_QA_The_Answers_129779.asp)
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Wedge confirmed for the Vintage line. (http://www.rebelscum.com/story/front/Hasbros_84th_STAR_WARS_QA_The_Answers_129779.asp)
Just read that...great news. Not only to finally get Wedge on a single card, but on a vintage card at that. Very cool. I wonder if it will be a repack of the Wedge from the X-Wing pack, or another version?
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Not only to finally get Wedge on a single card
People keep saying that, but Wedge was indeed carded before (http://www.jedidefender.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=8764.msg144583#msg144583). Granted it was an exclusive figure, but he has been single carded before. ;)
If it's coming this Fall (and we've already seen the ESB stuff), I'm guessing it'll be the recent pack-in pilot Wedge on a RotJ card...
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Probably not as exciting as Wedge, but a new Aurra Sing confirmed (http://echobase.d2i.net/index.php?topic=338.msg1450#new) for next year!
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Probably not as exciting as Wedge, but a new Aurra Sing confirmed (http://echobase.d2i.net/index.php?topic=338.msg1450#new) for next year!
wow, I posted that as a question to be asked here on this site but then after seeing the new one for the CW line at TF - I wasn't really interested anymore in seeing a new one - I thought the CW one was pretty dang sweet and figured I would pick it up. Well, I won't now! ;D
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REJOICE!!!
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What will I do now that I can't complain anymore...
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When is the first wave shipping? This Fall or early 2011?
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No ANH wave in early 2011. It will be instead split up and spread across the year.
Potentially annoying.
Source -Jedi Temple War Room Q and A.
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If it's coming this Fall (and we've already seen the ESB stuff), I'm guessing it'll be the recent pack-in pilot Wedge on a RotJ card...
Maybe not... from HH (http://hanshideout.blogspot.com/2010/03/hasbro-star-wars-q-session-24.html):
the theme for Wave 2 of Vintage, with eight figures will be brought in (seven from EpIII and one from EpIV).
Maybe Wedge will be the "one from EpIV"? Guess we wait and see...
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ANH/ROTJ Wedges wouldn't be too different from each other except, perhaps, the headsculpt I guess. Wedge may have a shaggier do in 77 than 83 I guess.
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Wedge! Woo hoo! Some nice conformations in this round of Q&A's.
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I saw in Rebelscum's answers this week, it sounds like the trend of the first wave of vintage (being mostly resculpts/updates of previously done characters) will continue for this line for the foreseeable future. I know some were disappointed with the fact that we weren't getting much "new" in that ESB wave, but I do think the figures look pretty nice. If you look at a lot of people's wishlists anymore, it seems like more and more resculpts are requested and the "collector" figures are getting more and more obscure. I'm ok with waves comprised of good resculpts/updates, and 1 or 2 good "never before seen" characters. Hopefully they can get the original vintage line finished up in the next couple years, along with resculpts of some of the POTF2/POTJ leftovers, and then flesh out the waves with the requested "fan" figures.
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Probably not as exciting as Wedge, but a new Aurra Sing confirmed (http://echobase.d2i.net/index.php?topic=338.msg1450#new) for next year!
Actually, I think that's a million times more exciting.
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Source -Jedi Temple War Room Q and A.
What's the deal with this? Jedi Temple Archives is asking 2 questions and then 2 more under the guise of Jedi Temple War Room, which is what, just their forum name?
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I think they confirmed a Senate Duel Palpatine for ROTS as well. I am the camp that is happy for a carded Wedge at retail finally. I skipped on the exclusive one a few years back because of the price. I just thought it was too much for what it was at the time. I am really not that stoked for an Aura Sing but she definately needed an update to the POTJ version.
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Source -Jedi Temple War Room Q and A.
What's the deal with this? Jedi Temple Archives is asking 2 questions and then 2 more under the guise of Jedi Temple War Room, which is what, just their forum name?
Are you kidding?
So where is your outrage at SSG & Collection Station for their coordinated Q&A efforts?
Let's also take into account Sandtroopers & The Jawa which are both under the same umbrella.
Remember Rebelscum & their affiliate Cool Toy Review?
Oh, and there's also Jedi Insider which is part of TNI...both participating in the Q&A.
And then there's this very site which has staff here and at Han's Hideout.
Care to rethink the statement?
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I'm all for Wedge, ANH or ROTJ. I'm kind of curious about the idea the ANH wave is being broken up - I wonder if that means the themed waves are over at the end of this year (sooner?).
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I wonder if that means the themed waves are over at the end of this year (sooner?).
In that same Q&A answer, they mention the Spring 2011 TPM wave should be the last "theme" wave. After that, things will get mixed, which unfortunately scatters the ANH stuff through all of 2011 instead of 1 wave - from JTWR Q&A (http://www.jeditemplewarroom.com/forum/index.php?topic=2148.0):
The EpI will be an intact wave in Spring 2011, but the EpIV wave has been distributed across the rest of the year. Because the Vintage packaging won't change going from Spring 2011 into Fall, there will no slowdown or interruption in the waves so if everything runs as planned, new Spring waves will be out every 6 weeks or so.
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Source -Jedi Temple War Room Q and A.
What's the deal with this? Jedi Temple Archives is asking 2 questions and then 2 more under the guise of Jedi Temple War Room, which is what, just their forum name?
Are you kidding?
So where is your outrage at SSG & Collection Station for their coordinated Q&A efforts?
Let's also take into account Sandtroopers & The Jawa which are both under the same umbrella.
Remember Rebelscum & their affiliate Cool Toy Review?
Oh, and there's also Jedi Insider which is part of TNI...both participating in the Q&A.
And then there's this very site which has staff here and at Han's Hideout.
Care to rethink the statement?
To be fair, I don't think efranks is showing "outrage" by asking a question Nick. I was sort of confused by that myself this past round when clicking around different sites.
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Source -Jedi Temple War Room Q and A.
What's the deal with this? Jedi Temple Archives is asking 2 questions and then 2 more under the guise of Jedi Temple War Room, which is what, just their forum name?
Are you kidding?
So where is your outrage at SSG & Collection Station for their coordinated Q&A efforts?
Let's also take into account Sandtroopers & The Jawa which are both under the same umbrella.
Remember Rebelscum & their affiliate Cool Toy Review?
Oh, and there's also Jedi Insider which is part of TNI...both participating in the Q&A.
And then there's this very site which has staff here and at Han's Hideout.
Care to rethink the statement?
I care to rethink whether or not I believe you're guilty of general asshattery maybe. Why are you jumping on my ****? You have a vested interest in the sites I singled out? You sound like Mark from YN.
First of all, I didn't know Collection Station and SSG were affiliated with each other.
Second, Sandtroopers and Jawa were separate sites with separate owners that merged as were Han's Hideout and JD (only less on the "merge" and more on the "bought" side of things) which seems less of a head shaker to me since they started out as independent sites.
RS and CTR, on the other hand, don't compete in the same Q&A's; RS asks the Star Wars questions, CTR gets the other Hasbro properties (and other companies) which gives them the unique position of being above this petty argument.
I'll give you TNI and Jedi Insider.
JTA and the Jedi Temple War Room seems more of a blatant ploy to get 4 questions in each round seeing as how JTWR even states this is their "inaugural" session while they've been submitting questions, and posting the answers in the forum, just fine as JTA all along.
And if you're looking for all sorts of outrage, you forgot one; 16bit and Galactic Hunter...that's pretty similar to the JD/Han's Hideout arrangement. If you're going to get pissed, make sure to go all the way.
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I wonder if that means the themed waves are over at the end of this year (sooner?).
In that same Q&A answer, they mention the Spring 2011 TPM wave should be the last "theme" wave. After that, things will get mixed, which unfortunately scatters the ANH stuff through all of 2011 instead of 1 wave - from JTWR Q&A (http://www.jeditemplewarroom.com/forum/index.php?topic=2148.0):
The EpI will be an intact wave in Spring 2011, but the EpIV wave has been distributed across the rest of the year. Because the Vintage packaging won't change going from Spring 2011 into Fall, there will no slowdown or interruption in the waves so if everything runs as planned, new Spring waves will be out every 6 weeks or so.
It will be a bit of an adjustment not having "themed" waves anymore, but I guess that is how it used to be. I mean, I remember the POTJ waves being largely mixed, and that was some of the most fun I had collecting a line. Plus, with that unified "vintage" look, I could see how they could mix it up a bit. I will say that I have sort of gotten used to getting a big "update" to a particular movie or area at once though (like Cantina aliens, Hoth, etc.)
I really like hearing the news (assuming it holds up) that we'll be seeing waves throughout the year next year. This large Feb/Mar to Fall gap each of the last few years seems to have annoyed many of us, and it would be nice to have a more regular flow of product throughout the year.
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From JTA: (http://www.jeditemplearchives.com/content/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=6000/#details)
Specials:
VCP01) 4-LOM™ (C5/JediCon exclusive)
VCP02) ZUCKUSS™ (C5/JediCon exclusive)
VCP03) BOBA FETT™ (Redemption item)
Wave 1:
VC01) DENGAR™
VC02) CLOUD CAR PILOT™
VC03) LEIA™ (HOTH™ OUTFIT)
VC04) HAN SOLO™ (ECHO BASE™ OUTFIT)
VC05) LUKE SKYWALKER™ (BESPIN™ FATIGUES)
VC06) AT-AT COMMANDER™
VC07) C-3PO™
VC08) DACK RALTER™
VC09) DARTH VADER™
VC10) BOBA FETT™
VC11) 4-LOM™
Wave 2/3:
VC12) DARTH SIDIOUS™
VC13) ANAKIN SKYWALKER™
VC14) SANDTROOPER™
VC15) CLONE TROOPER™
VC16) OBI-WAN KENOBI™
VC17) GENERAL GRIEVOUS™
VC18) MAGNAGUARD™
VC19) CLONE COMMANDER CODY™
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Hot **** on the Magnaguard!
So they are sticking an ANH sandtrooper in this wave?
kinda surprised the AT-AT driver isn't in there somewhere. I guess he could fit into the Legends line...
edit: also kinda disappointed that MeruMeru (the Wookie), or however you spell his name, isn't in there. But I guess I shoulda known since the "no all new figure" vibe is out there.
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Weird... those numbers don't match what was shown at Toy Fair - example below.
VC02) CLOUD CAR PILOT™
(http://www.jedidefender.com/gallery/files/gallery/Conventions/Toy_Fair_2010/Hasbro_Star_Wars/ToyFair_2010_119.JPG)
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I thought the list looked off as I have #VC05 assigned to the AT-AT Commander and VC10 for 4-LOM. ???
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I think we can attribute the mismatched numbers to the Toy Fair cards being mockups. FWIW, one of the Boba Fett's on display at Toy Fair was the VOTC version.
The info that JTA received from Hasbro was sent out as a followup to the most recent Q&A session. That info is only a couple of days old compared to what we saw at Toy Fair.
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I think we can attribute the mismatched numbers to the Toy Fair cards being mockups.
I'm sure that's part of it, it just seemed funny to me that the numbers changed from the mock-ups I guess. Seems odd to number them a certain way for the mock-ups and then change it all... they must have their reason for it I guess.
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It's definitely peculiar. But then Hasbro did publicly say that the TLC RED line was going to include the BD24 General Grievous only to pull it from the case assortments. Better that they make these changes now before the line makes it to retail.
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I'm surprised to see Cody in the ROTS wave. He's still shipping in the latest ESB case assortment.
I'm also surprised on the Sandtrooper. ANOTHER F-ing Sandtrooper? Really? I think we had a rumor about that somewhere but since we've had them on the pegs pretty non-stop for the last three years I thought for sure they'd skip it. The only positive is it could be the pack-in from the Dewback which, as long as it includes the new rifle, wouldn't be a bad thing. I might even buy one. Still.
I figured from the beginning, or at least since Toy Fair when they showed wave 1 to be all resculpts, that we'd see a lot of characters we already have, but to see not only characters we have but probably figures that are currenlty shipping just makes this more of a waste of time.
The only really collectible thing about this vintage line is the 6x9 piece of cardboard shipping with the figures. There may be a handful of worthy upgrades, but the more I see, the less I think I'm going to be buying.
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As someone who's wanted to see a Sandtrooper on the vintage card forever now, I'm happy to see it. If this is correct, this means the ANH figure Hasbro mentioned in the recent QA is not Wedge; if he's coming this fall, he must be in the ROTJ wave.
Also happy to see Cody on a vintage card, even if I just bought him... the Magna Guard, too. Here's hoping he's updated.
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I think the reason the Sandtrooper is included is that it is one of those figures/characters that everyone sort of thought should have been seen in the original vintage line (along with others like Stormtrooper Han, Tarkin, Rebel Fleet Trooper, Slave Leia, etc.). I wouldn't be surprised to see some of those recarded as well. Personally, I don't really mind seeing that either - for the most part. It looks like a lot of these waves will be upgrades and repacks, so as long as they use the true "best of the best" and don't start sticking older POTF2/POTJ/EPI/SAGA figures on these cards, I think it would be alright. It does seem like they are going to hope the appeal of the "vintage cardback" will push the sales of a lot of these, because we have seen a lot of them not only recently (Cody), but often (Sandtrooper).
As for the ROTS wave, it looks like we're getting another wave of upgrades and repacks for the most part. It will be interesting to see what is a resculpt and what isn't if this is what the wave really is. From the pic we've seen, it looks like Grievous is just a repack with a new cape. You would think Cody is a repack since he was just re-done. I could see Anakin being a re-do, as Hasbro has stated in the past that he wasn't quite perfect. Sidious is likely all new, as with the Magna Guard (we hope anyways). Obi-Wan I would think is a repack, since the Pilot version is pretty much perfect for most I think. I'm not sure what else they could do with the Clonetroopers, aside from improve articulation (hips) or something. I'm pretty happy with them the way they are now. A little disappointed to not see at least one all-new, never before made figure (like Merumeru as an example), but it could still make for a nice wave.
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From the pic we've seen, it looks like Grievous is just a repack with a new cape.
Actually, if you look closely, Grievous' arms have been retooled to include swivel forearms/wrists (http://www.jeditemplearchives.com/news/images2010a/images.php?image=32) - a definite improvement/upgrade to the TLC version as those arms were somewhat limiting in how you could pose them when holding lightsabers/blasters.
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Actually the original sculpt's arms twisted, but up at the elbow and not down so low. It gave the same articulation point though, and better hidden.
Also it doesn't appear, to me anyway, that all the wrists are improved, possibly just two... so my theory is they're meant to pop-off for the Utapau Duel with Obi-Wan, more than act as additional articulation. I could be wrong but I'm betting this is the reason there's cuts at the wrists now anyway.
With that in mind I'm probably going to display mine with the hands off for his final moments.
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Also it doesn't appear, to me anyway, that all the wrists are improved, possibly just two... so my theory is they're meant to pop-off for the Utapau Duel with Obi-Wan, more than act as additional articulation. I could be wrong but I'm betting this is the reason there's cuts at the wrists now anyway.
One step further, this is Spider Grievous. That's the reason for the additional articulation in my opinion.
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Also it doesn't appear, to me anyway, that all the wrists are improved, possibly just two... so my theory is they're meant to pop-off for the Utapau Duel with Obi-Wan, more than act as additional articulation. I could be wrong but I'm betting this is the reason there's cuts at the wrists now anyway.
Here is where I see all four arms given the added articulation or severed hand feature:
(http://jedijaybird.home.comcast.net/grievous_joints.jpg)
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I think I'm definitely going to just stick to doing the OT carded. Who knows? Maybe I'll change my mind, but at this point, I'm really growing cold toward the PT.
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Ah ok I see the other one on the right. I saw only one on each arm. The one left one's sort of hard to tell, but I thought the upper right one didn't look cut till you circled it. I wonder if there's any other changes then?
The Spider-version of him is an interesting suggestion too, by JACK, but wouldn't it need further articulation/modification for that?
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It would have been swell if Hasbro included ball-jointed hips. ;) That would REALLY make him Spider Grievous!
I also really like the new head. And the repainted cream-colored armor looks better than the dark silver armor the TLC figure had.
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Looks like Hasbro confirmed (http://www.rebelscum.com/story/front/Hasbros_85th_STAR_WARS_QA_The_Answers_130204.asp) the "Greatest Hits" figures that we will see in the Vintage line in 2010 -
- 4-LOM (EpV wave)
- Stormtrooper (EpIII wave) [pretty sure this should be Sandtrooper based on the other lists Hasbro has issued]
- Commander Cody (EpIII wave)
- EpIII Obi-Wan (EpIII wave)
- EpIII Clone Trooper (EpIII wave)
- Yoda with hover chair (EpVI wave)
- EpII Obi-Wan (EpII wave)
- Mace Windu (EpII wave)
- Super Battle Droid (EpII wave)
Seeing that, it sort of makes me wonder what will be "new" about the RotS Anakin in wave 2 - I wonder if they are finally going to give us a "sith eyes" repaint of the Evo sculpt... or maybe dare I hope upgrade the articulation on that EVO sculpt even more?
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Elbows would be appreciated... The neck could stand some retooling too since he's constantly looking up.
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Yeah, those are two sore spots for sure. Hopefully they are upgrading him and not just giving him a new cape or cloak or something simple like that...
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I could see Anakin getting some articulation upgrades. I can't remember when it was, but I'm pretty sure Hasbro mentioned that at some point in past Q and A's - that they wanted to upgrade the Evo Anakin a bit articulation-wise. I hope so anyways. The "Greatest Hits" choices don't look too bad I guess, nothing too unexpected there, aside from maybe Yoda with hover chair.
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Seeing that, it sort of makes me wonder what will be "new" about the RotS Anakin in wave 2 - I wonder if they are finally going to give us a "sith eyes" repaint of the Evo sculpt... or maybe dare I hope upgrade the articulation on that EVO sculpt even more?
Hasbro had clarified from a distant Q/A (don't remember which) that they were planning to upgrade the TAC 2008 Wave 1 Anakin w/ SA elbows. I think I recall them saying this would be a Jedi Temple Raid/Sith Lord version of the character, so that would mean he would probably have Sith eyes.
As for the hoverchair Yoda, Im curious because Hasbro listed this version under the Episode VI Greatest Hits.
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Although I'm not necessarily encouraging repacks over new figures, I hope Hasbro takes the opportunity to card some of the figures that maybe should have been in the original vintage line - like Slave Leia, Stormtrooper Han, Tarkin, and (if updated) Rebel Fleet Trooper. The list could go on, but these seem like good ideas for repacks on these vintage cardbacks. Granted, there is still time as this is supposed to run at least a couple years, but I think those could work. Also wouldn't mind seeing the Jawa and others just to "complete" that vintage card "set" eventually.
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Tarkin I'd put in the "needs an upgrade" list too... POTF2's sloppy today (Tarkin, a slight guy and not overly tall, towers over every officer these days but maybe Veers, :) ), and the ROTS figure's not Peter Cushing, nor the right uniform style either.
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It's a good thing they are getting those Super Battle Droids, Ep III Obi-Wans, and Ep III Clone Troopers back out on the shelves, haven't seen any of those since...oh, wait, since every time I've been down the toy aisle the last two years.
Seriously, I applaud them getting figures like the new EpII Obi-Wan back out there from that low-quantity run last year, even Cody makes a little sense, but c'mon. The only reason to put ROTS Obi back out there is to have him on the vintage-y card.
Another random thought, will the Storm/Sandtrooper have a "Revenge of the Sith" logo on the card since he's coming with that wave?Likewise will hoverchair Yoda have a "Return of the Jedi" logo?
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Tarkin I'd put in the "needs an upgrade" list too... POTF2's sloppy today (Tarkin, a slight guy and not overly tall, towers over every officer these days but maybe Veers, :) ), and the ROTS figure's not Peter Cushing, nor the right uniform style either.
Oh, I agree completely. I think Tarkin is due for a resculpt. To me, he is sort of in the same boat as Wedge Antilles as being one of the more underrated characters of the OT. Sure, he is just in the original Star Wars, but he was pretty much the main "bad guy" - even if Vader did get all the attention (and rightfully so). Hopefully they'll find room for him in an upcoming wave.
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Agreed on Tarkin being under rated. It's funny characters like Tarkin & Jabba have gotten the plastic treatment several times but they always seemed to fall short. The POTF2 head sculpt is still pretty good in regards to likeness. The bulky tall body with the big meat palm hands is another story.
I am extremely happy that Han Bespin as it stands now will be all new. Despite really wanting a new one now I am happy to wait 18 months for a better one that does not use the barrel chest/ skinny leg template. For me, this is my most anticipated figure.
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I'm happy that a lot of bounty hunters are being put into the SL assortment, it's pretty cool that we're now getting these baddies over, well, say Saessee Tiin or Plo Koon. ;) It also coincides w/ the "Bounty Hunters" theme of TCW TV show.
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Something of interest for those carded collectors of this line. I recently acquired the 4-LOM/Zuckuss Exclusive set (Jedi-Con version) and upon opening it I noticed right away that the cards have the punch removed from the cards. One would think that if there was the prospect of having unpunched cards for this line that figures packed within an outer box would have had the best chance of still having them. Not the case here, I'm thinking that even if you order figures by the case, none of them with have the punch intact, let alone rattling around loose inside the shipper case.
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That seems to answer that then I'd think...
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Is it just myself that is a little disapointed in the lack of never before sculpted characters?
I'm thrilled we are going vintage,but due to an increased focus on "Old Stuff" we can count the new recruits to the character tally as...Bom Vimdin and Ratts Tyrell.
Have i missed any?
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Well Dak Ralter and Han with his jacket are technically "new" characters I suppose. Although it will be another pilot and Han. So, no I think that is all for "new" sculpted figures Bom and Ratts. They are just focusing on the more core type characters to "get the collectors back" strategy.
I thought they were going to add later Wooof and Skiffmaster Weequay as well. I just don't know when? I thought Wooof was next year at some point.
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As much as I like getting new, the OT's riddled with resculpt possibilities... Lots of figures from troopers to main characters have been needing a new version for eons now, so I'm pretty happy to be getting lots of that stuff hashed out.
The AT-AT Commander is, for all intents and purposes, a new figure as well. He's very generic obviously compared to Veers... I guess the argument could be made that the POTF2 one is the same character but the ranks don't match up.
Speaking of that, the rank on his badge and his armor don't match. I found that funny. :)
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Yeah fair points. Also i'm thrilled to be getting a good Rebel soldier,Endor commander et al -just wish there was a few more new 'uns aswell. We will have to see how it all pans out.
Also forgot about Skiffmaster for spring 2011.
Oh and Wooof is comming this year in the Jedi wave.
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Well Dak Ralter and Han with his jacket are technically "new" characters I suppose.
I just want to be technically nerdy for a moment. Dak was releases with the Saga Wal-Mart snowspeeder set. Han is new.
I am with Jesse that there are many core POTF2 era figure that really need resculpts. From what I am reading I am satisfied with the never before down figure being sprinkled in the line. I like the concentration of resculpts and hope to see more.
Not counting the upcoming needed resculpts this year think about how many characters need a resculpt: Yakface, Ishi Tib, Nien Numb, Skiff Guards, Logray, Teebo, Leia Ewok Dress, Yavin Leia, Peitt to name a few. I can see excitment once again surrounding the line again. I think the EU wave lit the fire to go into the Vintage line. With that said year two may be more "new" in terms of characters. I think sales on this line will rock.
The only new figure rumor news I am disappointed in is Yerka Mig got pushed back for a long unforeseen time. That's a real background loser I would have liked to see sooner than later.
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I just want to be technically nerdy for a moment. Dak was releases with the Saga Wal-Mart snowspeeder set.
To be technically nerdy, it was released in the POTJ line. ;)
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I just want to be technically nerdy for a moment. Dak was releases with the Saga Wal-Mart snowspeeder set.
To be technically nerdy, it was released in the POTJ line. ;)
Technical Nerdiness internal file has been corrected. :D
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Yep, I did forget about that "sleeping" Dak figure. I know how could I? LOL!
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I'm in the camp that is happy to see some OT resculpts as well. I can see why some might get upset at the lack of "all new" characters, but we really are starting to get to the bottom of the barrel for a lot of the movies. Of the figures we know of so far, I can see some of the resculpts being head scratchers (if we just recently got an all-new one), but so far the figures all look pretty good. Like Jesse and others have mentioned, there really is quite a bit from the OT that could stand a re-do at this point. Not that the previous versions are awful in every case, but Hasbro in general has come a long way in sculpting/paint/articulation/etc. in the past few years and I think we'd be surprised how much better they would look now in many cases. Heck, I think the majority of my "want lists" are filled with resculpts anymore, as well as a few "all new" figures, and as long as we continue to get one here and there (one per wave would be nice) I'm happy. Otherwise, bring on new versions of Bespin Han, Wicket, Ackbar, Gamorrean Guard, etc. ;)
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From Yakface:
The Vintage Collection Wave 3
1x Gamorrean Guard (21482)
1x Ackbar (21483)
1x Jedi Luke (21484)
1x Skiff Guard - Woof (21485)
1x R2 with Pop-up Lightsaber & Drink Tray (21486)
1x Rebel Commando (21487)
1x Yoda with Hover Chair (21481)
1x Wicket & Kneesaa (21488)
1x Rebel Pilot (Wedge) (21489)
1x Clone Trooper (20833)
1x Sandtrooper (20832)
1x Darth Vader (97580)
The Vintage Collection Wave 4
1x Zam Wiessel (24989)
1x Obi-Wan (24990)
1x Peasant Anakin (24991)
1x Peasant Padme (24992)
1x Jango Fett (24993)
1x Kit Fisto (24988)
1x Mace Windu (24994)
1x Blue Senate Guard (24995)
1x Super Battle Droid (24996)
1x Grievous with Cape (20824)
1x Sandtrooper (20832)
1x Darth Vader (97580)
There are some very interesting choices here. Very excited obviously by Wedge (hope he's not labeled Rebel Pilot on the card...) and Peasant Padme. Kneesa???
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From Yakface:
The Vintage Collection Wave 3
1x Gamorrean Guard (21482)
1x Ackbar (21483)
1x Jedi Luke (21484)
1x Skiff Guard - Woof (21485)
1x R2 with Pop-up Lightsaber & Drink Tray (21486)
1x Rebel Commando (21487)
1x Yoda with Hover Chair (21481)
1x Wicket & Kneesaa (21488)
1x Rebel Pilot (Wedge) (21489)
1x Clone Trooper (20833)
1x Sandtrooper (20832)
1x Darth Vader (97580)
The Vintage Collection Wave 4
1x Zam Wiessel (24989)
1x Obi-Wan (24990)
1x Peasant Anakin (24991)
1x Peasant Padme (24992)
1x Jango Fett (24993)
1x Kit Fisto (24988)
1x Mace Windu (24994)
1x Blue Senate Guard (24995)
1x Super Battle Droid (24996)
1x Grievous with Cape (20824)
1x Sandtrooper (20832)
1x Darth Vader (97580)
There are some very interesting choices here. Very excited obviously by Wedge (hope he's not labeled Rebel Pilot on the card...) and Peasant Padme. Kneesa???
agreed...
At the risk of sounding foolish I was wondering are (any or some of) these re-sculpts?
e.g. Ackbar was last done in POTF2 wasn't he?
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I am SO stoked! I'm surprised that R2-D2 w/ pop-out lightsaber is already making it out so quickly considering that, just a few months ago in a Q/A, Hasbro said that they would consider making him. Wow. They really do listen (sometimes). ;)
I can say that I'm looking forward to the AOTC wave the most. I have been one of those screaming for a Zam Wesell upgrade - I hope she comes with a plentiful amount of accessories.
As for ROTJ Luke, isn't he going to be an upgrade from the LC ROTJ 2009 Wave??
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Looking at these lists from Yakface (which I'm guessing are probably pretty close to dead on, looking at recent rumors), it looks like we're going to see more of the same formula for TVC moving forward. A couple all new figures, a couple resculpts and upgrades, and some repacks of "never before on vintage card" figures. Personally, I'm ok with this break down. A lot of what I want at this point is resculpts, and much of that is OT-based. I'm cool with seeing some figures on vintage cards that haven't seen it before like the Sandtrooper, or maybe something like Slave Leia, Stormtrooper Han, etc. as well (plus the prequel figures, depending on your opinion of that). I'm always up for more background "never before made" characters too, but it looks like we won't see quite as much of that for right now. Even so, we've had a great run of those type of figures I think when you look over what we've gotten over the past 5 years. Plus, I don't know how much I care about various Senator-type characters from the prequels anymore at this point anyways - its more the OT stuff (and maybe stuff like Cliegg Lars and podracers) that I'd like to see at this point.
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Instead of constantly repacking the Sandtrooper, they should give us a clean Stormtrooper in every wave.
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Technically... they are. :) At least to me... The black pauldron Sandtrooper was, to me, the ultimate Stormtrooper army builder... He came with field gear, but was a crisp clean white color... That was my favorite. They tossed the VOTC Stormtrooper back out, but really I'd rather pay the same and get all the extra gear the Sandie was coming with.
I actually WANT this Sandtrooper/Stormtrooper repacked though. The added ball-jointed hips, a unique rifle... I am pretty happy to rebuy this figure a little bit this year since this one only came with the Dewback. I won't buy a ton, but this is one I will pick a couple up just because it's so unique/different from the others, and improved a little.
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I need to get another IG-88 so I'm glad they are re-releasing him; awesome figure with awesome articulation but the soft plastic caused a few mishaps: broke the head off, broke the left arm off at the connection to the shoulder and broke a couple wires. Might get three more so I can have the quartet of IG-88s, A, B, C and D. Just the geek in me ;)
I also want to get the current Zuckess and then the upcoming Dengar. I love me some bounty hunters.
I'd also hope they'd re-release the Votc Tusken Raider, maybe with better elbow joints. He was a very cool figure and I'm glad I got 'one', just wished the TRU Tusken w/Bantha set hadn't been so frakking expensive. Would love that thing. Never went on clearance here ( in NC) even when they switched from the tan set to the reddish set.
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So is there a "street date" for this stuff or will it start leaking out early in late July? Good thing we got all those comic packs and the TRU stuff, but I honestly can't remember this large of a gap at retail....well maybe that stint with Saga1 back in the day.
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So is there a "street date" for this stuff or will it start leaking out early in late July? Good thing we got all those comic packs and the TRU stuff, but I honestly can't remember this large of a gap at retail....well maybe that stint with Saga1 back in the day.
No firm street date. But Hasbro did state in the most recent Q&A that figures should start showing up in the U.S. on or around August 1st.
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I am SO stoked! I'm surprised that R2-D2 w/ pop-out lightsaber is already making it out so quickly considering that, just a few months ago in a Q/A, Hasbro said that they would consider making him. Wow. They really do listen (sometimes). ;)
If it was just a few months ago, and he's really coming out now, then they were working on him long before the Q&A and decided to hold back on telling everyone.
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No firm street date. But Hasbro did state in the most recent Q&A that figures should start showing up in the U.S. on or around August 1st.
I'm somewhat disappointed that there's no Midnight Madness event planned. :(
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No firm street date. But Hasbro did state in the most recent Q&A that figures should start showing up in the U.S. on or around August 1st.
I'm somewhat disappointed that there's no Midnight Madness event planned. :(
Most of us were disappointed like 5 waves ago when they barely showed up in stores :D