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Collectibles => Past Hasbro 3.75" Lines => The Legacy Collection => Topic started by: EpicGon on March 31, 2009, 01:06 AM
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Rumors about the legacy version of the scout walker appear today 30 th march on rebelscum
A highly detailed cockpit, taller At st, movable guns and legs, open hatch and an atst driver included.
I hope it comes with a nice paint job like endor version. This is a want for most of us, so I ask you What do you expect for this toy in decoration, articulation, paint job, etc?
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If the height is anywhere near accurate to what they reported, I'm disappointed. "bigger than 13 inches" is a little vague about the possible height, but unless it's about 18.5 inches or so, it's still too short I think. Hasbro's mentioned wanting to do this in the past in Q&A's I believe (possibly from us IIRC), so I'm not surprised it's rumored, but at the moment I'm also not holding my breath. So many rumors these days are unreliable... This one seems a little more valid I guess, but still I'm reluctant to believe a lot that's posted anymore.
The two-packs for Clone Wars were also mentioned. I'm wondering if they're replacing the ones with the droid if they come true?
Anyway, I'd love a scaled AT-ST, and the rumored price I'm ultimately ok with if it's as nice as I could imagine it being, but unless it's to-scale I'm not picking it up for $50. It has to be pretty perfect for that.
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Although there are always so many rumors, I'm really hoping that this one holds true. I've been hoping to see a few more upgrades to some of the OT ships, and like Jesse (and others) have mentioned in the past, the AT-ST, Snowspeeder, etc. seem like ones that are "do-able". It sounds like it could have some nice features, and if they get the scale close to right it could really be a nice vehicle. I wonder if this is one of the "exciting exclusives" that Hasbro mentions when asked about possible OT vehicles this year.
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Awesome! Though, I'm sure this means that the AT At is further off, if there was one in the works beyond the GH version.
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I hope Hasbro make the at st cockpit like the TLC awing one, without decals, all features in plastic. This is the degree of realism and accuracy for OT vehicles we´re looking for.
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If the height is anywhere near accurate to what they reported, I'm disappointed. "bigger than 13 inches" is a little vague about the possible height, but unless it's about 18.5 inches or so, it's still too short I think.
Yup. Sounds like they can keep my would-have-been-2-sales on the shelf.
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Considering the current one is 10.5 inches, they're not adding much.
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I'm looking forward to buying this, but only if they nail it.
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Considering the current one is 10.5 inches, they're not adding much.
Exactly, which makes me suspect the rumor a little bit, or the details the rumor entailed at least. I'd imagine we get something better for $50... 13 inches barely improves what we already have, and really makes for a tiny toy.
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The AT-ST was one of my favorite vehicles from OT. Scum has been wrong on a great many of things, but I hope Hasbro does justice to the new mold - if it's even coming out.
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I'm hopeful too... if it were to-scale, even at $50 I'd probably buy 2 of them at least, and more if I could find them for a little less or on sale at some point.
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No April Fool Joke Here, it's a Wal Mart exclusive. Pics are out, but no will post them.
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Sounds exactly like an April Fool joke.
I agree, 2-3 inches taller isn't that much, but I'll wait to see it before I pass judgement.
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Definitely April Fools. Hasbro needs to max out sales of things like large new vehicles, and that means selling them everywhere they can get shelf space.
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Yeah, I sort of thought that if they were going to tool an all new vehicles - let alone a large $50 or more vehicle - it would be a mass retail release. Maybe they are going to do things like this with exclusives now (since, for the most part, OT vehicles are pretty sparse these days), but in the past exclusives have been things more along the lines of the upcoming Wedge X-Wing. A vehicle that has already been released, is minorly tweaked with paint apps and includes an exclusive figure.
I hope that the overall concept of the new AT-ST isn't part of the joke, and that is indeed on the way at some point. I'd just as soon it not be a Wal-Mart exclusive though, overall those seem to be the most hit and miss of all retailer exclusives around here.
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You guys may have seen this, but this was my modification of the existing one.
(http://threads.rebelscum.com/photogallery/data//1451/atstout6.jpg)
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Hmmm... maybe this pic is real, maybe it's something else?
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*shrugs*
It's all painted up purdy... Looks a little too detailed in the main gun well, on the "chin", to be a toy, but the picture isn't that great to really say.
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The more I look at that photo, the more I think that's a model... Look at the chin gun. Far too detailed to be a toy. The cockpit and legs and whatnot are pretty detailed, plus it's all painted up... That's a model, and if someone's trying to fake it off as "legit" they're full of ****.
Sorry Jess... :-\ I don't mean to be a downer or anything, that's just not a photo of any toy. The chin gun alone gives that away to me. Given the way it's photographed, I wouldn't be shocked if that was a ROTJ prop... They often were photographed for archiving in that manner with the tag and whatnot. I've seen lots of photos like that.
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Yeah, when I saw that picture I thought it was way too detailed in some areas. As awesome as it would be if that really was the toy and it was just uber detailed at movie prop level, I just don't think we're gonna see something like that.
Cool find though. I'd be curious to see what that really ends up being.
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I noticed in Yakface's Q and A this week, there might be further confirmation of this:
http://www.yakfaceforums.com/viewtopic.php?p=65569 (http://www.yakfaceforums.com/viewtopic.php?p=65569)
They don't specifically name the AT-ST, but in one question they do talk about replacing existing molds of older vehicles (and retiring the old ones) and say there are two all-new surprises coming this fall. With the rumors of the AT-ST, you would think that would be one of them. I wonder what the 2nd one could be, as I don't think we've seen many non-CW vehicles aside from Wedge's X-Wing, unless that is somehow all-new.
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I'm assuming the Snowspeeder, but that may be too good to be true. I mention it only because it's come up in the past in the Q&A as something they would like to try to get the proper size/scale.
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I'm assuming the Snowspeeder, but that may be too good to be true. I mention it only because it's come up in the past in the Q&A as something they would like to try to get the proper size/scale.
I'd love it if that were true. I've really been hoping for a new, more accurate snowspeeder. Like you mentioned Jesse, they have brought it up in past Q and A's, so it is always a possibility. I thought the likelihood might be increased for late this year/early next year due to the Luke/Wedge Snowspeeder figures coming (or rumored to be coming) in the later ESB wave. Plus, we've got the 30th Anny of ESB next year as well. It always sounds like if/when vehicles like this come out, they could be exclusives, which is a shame I think. I don't know why these couldn't be put in the regular vehicle assortments (unless it doesn't "fit" a pricepoint), but maybe I'm just overestimating the sales redone OT ships would get with all the kid focus being on Clone Wars these days.
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Cool. Anything would be great.
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I'm more keen on the snowspeeder than anything else, but I have to imagine we will see updates of it, the AT ST, the AT AT and even Slave I here in the next few years.
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I would love a "little" snowspeerder. If it comes out, I'm sure it would be in the 25.00 assortment, so I'm hoping Hasbro gets creative and throws in a Radar dish laser cannon, or even the turret from the UBP!
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I would love a "little" snowspeerder. If it comes out, I'm sure it would be in the 25.00 assortment, so I'm hoping Hasbro gets creative and throws in a Radar dish laser cannon, or even the turret from the UBP!
By "little" do you mean smaller than the existing mold? I could see them rereleasing that in the $25 mid-size assortment, but can't see them just slightly shrinking it with an entirely new mold.
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Hasbro has explicitly stated in at least a couple of Q&A sessions that they were working on a new Snowspeeder. That goes back to September of 2008 (http://www.jeditemplearchives.com/content/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=4111). It seems like Hasbro is trying to get it into the Starfighter vehicle assortment. And if they can, it's got potential to be the new Jedi starfighter if they do some basic repaints. That way we could get versions for Luke, Wedge, Zev, Kesin Omiss, Hobbie...you name it! If they can get this released in the fall I'll be a happy guy. Because even in the vintage days I wasn't too keen on that Snowspeeder. It's a 29 year old mold and definitely needed to be updated.
As for the AT-ST? I'm hopeful, but Hasbro's been trying to keep a little bit mum on it. So in that respect I remain in the "we'll see" camp.
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I would love a "little" snowspeerder. If it comes out, I'm sure it would be in the 25.00 assortment, so I'm hoping Hasbro gets creative and throws in a Radar dish laser cannon, or even the turret from the UBP!
By "little" do you mean smaller than the existing mold? I could see them rereleasing that in the $25 mid-size assortment, but can't see them just slightly shrinking it with an entirely new mold.
Well, the original 1980 Snowspeeder is way, way too big! An accrate one might bee seen as a rip-off in the $25 mid-size assortment. I think that's why the've held off on it.
But yes, this could be a big repaint vehicle. I'd even take a tan EU "desert" version!
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I see the AT-ST was brought up in GH's Q and A this week as well, with them asking if it would (if made) possibly fit into the new "deluxe" pricepoint, which Hasbro replied saying that it would be a considerable chunk cheaper than that. So, unless this is somehow fitting into the starfighter assortment at $25, this is likely going to be an exclusive I would think (which maybe we already thought/knew). It did sort of seem like it was more semi-confirmation on this though.
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The AT-ST is at the top of my list to get remade and I do believe it's a shoe in for this year. The Target UBP run killed/milked it one last time so I can see them needing to get this back into the mix. The Snowspeeder is not on my radar to get redone. Despite scale I think it still holds up well enough. I am not opposed to a new mind you, I just have the nice set of three so it would render them obsolete. It would be nice if they kicked it TRU B-Wing style with the alternate stickers to customize the looks that way you can create all of the rebels rides in one shot. I would be down with 4-5 of them. I am ecstatic to see any new OTC stuff so I will not complain either way, it would make buying vehicles fun again. I am so bored of prequel ships. I am looking forward to that new CW Y-wing though.
My top five OTC vehicle re-dos are:
1. AT-ST
2. AT-AT (If we do get a new Snowspeeder surley a new larger AT-AT is needed.)
3. Slave one (I miss the old school storage compartment, make it bigger!)
4. Rebel Troop Transport (Yes but the flying Sperm ship should get the Sandcrawler Previews upgrade. No new tooling needed and you are focused on collectors. It beats the stupid Ecliptic Tie repaint.)
5. Speederbike (No more spring suspension or explosion action. Just make it detailed plastic.)
My utmost wish would be a new Outrider (It will never happen unless Dash Rendar is in the new TV show. I know wishful thinking.)
I hope they start redoing some beasts too like Taun-Tauns, Jabba and the Dewback. The POTF2 stuff is way too dated looking, I am actually beginning to ditch what little I have left of it despite not having upgrades yet on several things. it's a great way to make room too.
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Hasbro SDCC'09 Slide:
(http://www.jedidefender.com/news/images/7-09/57.jpg)
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Looking at the packaged one, this may well be to-scale, which I'm hoping it is. They're not that large in the movie, and the way it towers over that pack-in pilot (who I think is even raised a little higher than the feet so he's "visible" in the packaging), I've got good feelings on this one. If it's scaled right I'm going to get 2 or 3.
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This looks pretty spiffy to me. I hope to get at least one, maybe two depending on price. I hope we continue to see some classic ship re-dos over the next few years, it is amazing the improvements that can be made.
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I have yet to own a modern-era AT-ST (even after 4 releases) so I'm in for this one. Hopefully it isn't above $50.
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I most likely to get it, but if it is over $50, they can keep it till clearance.
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I will end up with this. I like the collapseable pose there. Mainly so my son can put under his bed or someplace for some extra storage.
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I love this, easily the best thing they showed I think. The Dewback would be second best.
I agree with you Jesse, this seems pretty close to scale. Probably off a bit, but close enough. Count me in for 2-4 of these depending on the price.
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I'm still confused as to which deco - maybe even which mold we're getting judging by the presentation photos. :-\
I posted in the main SDCC main thread about this, but the AT-ST was the #1 thing I was looking forward to and it looks fantastic as far as what I can see. Just sad to see that it's a WM exclusive. :(
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It has a brown/dirty deco and the packaging looks to have the forest backdrop so I'd say that means Endor.
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I'm buying one, but the one on the right looks very weird. It looks like they took and unpainted hard copy and threw a dirt pass on it.
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It has a brown/dirty deco and the packaging looks to have the forest backdrop so I'd say that means Endor.
Endor sucks then. That just looks awful IMO. :-\ Reminds me of the AT-RT set from Target a year or so ago. Blah and meh. Should have gone with the more muted "metal" look from the pic on the left Hasbro. I do like what they've done with the new toy though so I can't complain too much.
I'll still buy it though - not that I'll find it at said exclusive store though.
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Sirstevesguide.com has a few display pics of this. Here's one:
(http://threads.rebelscum.com/photogallery/data/1451/medium/SDC_9254.JPG)
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Seem kind of bland in this shot. Hopefully there'll be a another round of paint apps for this giving it a wash or something to define the panels and details a little more. In its current state it looks like that snap-tite model kit with sweat stains.
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I've been contemplating the AT-ST's size... It's, due to the articulation, quite large in height, as it should be. AT-ST's at rest are significantly more squat, but when they're prepared to move they're sort of like an animal (due to the model's design) in that they're "up at the ready" on their legs. Which I assume that is where their height measurements would come from, rather than "at rest", as they're supposedly capable of squatting like shown in the slide as well.
Anyway, in the packaged shot, notice that the AT-ST is NOT fully extended for height. It's "at ease", as it was when Chewie parked it in front of Han. It's significantly shorter then. When walking, it's much taller though. This is best exemplified by the shot of it "walking" in the slide there.
I've got some side-by-side comparing I'm curious about...
(http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/starwars/images/thumb/e/e9/At-st_large_pic.jpg/407px-At-st_large_pic.jpg) (http://www.jedidefender.com/yabbse/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=19027.0;attach=4535;image)
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Overall I think the likeness is great. It's not perfect, but it's a massive improvement over the last one. Your images really underscore the paint issues though. I really hope this isn't the final deco for any version.
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It's interesting... A couple points.
First, the shot of the film prop walking shows how significant a difference in height the walker has when it's walking. Notice the hip joints raise the "body" of it up by a bit. Compared with the toy, the propotions of the cockpit to the model seem accurate, as do the legs and feet. The compressed height of the toy can be attributed to the walker being in an "at ease" stance, making it appear short, but in reality it's not.
The small cockpit image from the slide is interesting as well... I compared it some with the Incredible Cross Sections when I got home tonight. I'm having some graphics issues with my PC, so I'm not 100% on this but the toy AT-ST's cockpit is truncated from the back of the seat to the rear. There IS space in a "real" AT-ST for 2 passengers as we saw in the films. There's no seating though, it's more just room behind the seats incase you must use it. Anyway, the cockpit is NOT using a significant bit of space behind the seats. I'm not sure why that would be, probably a design issue with the toy, but it makes the cockpit slightly inaccurate (or maybe there's more armor plating back there now? :) ), as the film cockpit had room for people. It's very cramped though. The ICS matches up fairly well to the cockpit details, for the most part. There's some creative liberty on the part of Hasbro, but the overall dimensions inside appear correct.
For the most part the outside details match up to the film model fairly well... The viewports seem sized right, the hand rail around the command hatch, the command hatch itself, etc., etc.
I'd say the vehicle is pretty spot-on, just eyeballing it. The real tell-tale is packaged shot, with a figure though. The figure's raised in the packaging to be more visible, while the walker's height isn't fully extended upward as well. It's significantly taller than the figure then. i'd say the picture with the figure standing next to it, has the figure photoshopped into the image, not photographed with the walker. The packaging image seems to imply that anyway.
I'm liking this a lot more right now. I had my skeptical views at first. I'm now very intrigued.
As deco goes, what we've seen from Hasbro thus far is attrocious. :)
Deco's usually the last thing I gripe on, on vehicles (figures I find it more important). On vehicles I can usually fix it. It's nowhere near a movie prop though. It needs a SERIOUS blackwash, as all the AT-ST's on Endor had the black wash look "runny grease/oil" looking stains.
Also blast marks, of which this toy appears to have none while the Endor AT-ST's all had one here or there, usually on front armor plating.
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Wow, I'm totally down for 2 of these. Maybe 3 depending on price.
THIS is the AT-ST we've been looking for.
I'm SO glad Hasbro is retiring the vintage mold.
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Again, the sculpt looks awesome, but Hasbro has been running out of cash when it comes to paint jobs. Even the BMF is very flat, and without much weathering and detailing...I worry that they just can't afford the extra paint apps these days...
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Is there any information on the height of this thing when it's in a regular standing mode? I'm going to need to figure out how much room to leave on the shelves before I reassemble them.
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Thanks for the comparison pics, JJ. That may have solidified my decision on whether to get one to accompany the update I made. If you don't mind, I'm going to post your ref pic with mine to compare paintjobs:
(http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/starwars/images/thumb/e/e9/At-st_large_pic.jpg/407px-At-st_large_pic.jpg) (http://threads.rebelscum.com/photogallery/data//1451/atstout6.jpg)
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Yeah, the paintjob is not the best, but that's also a prototype so I can let that slide. Plus even if it were just an accurate grey color, no weathering, I'd be ok with that ultimately. The production item may be more impressively decorated.
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Not the best paint job, but still, I'm glad we finally have a new AT-ST. I haven't picked up any Star Wars toys for more than the past six months, but that'll have to change with this. Oh, and the new Willrow.
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I really like this set. Not sure how I would fit it into a diorama though - it will look ridiculously big versus an AT-AT from Hoth or even next to the teeny Ewok Villiage. :-\
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It appears to have opening viewports. Looks pretty neat. I don't have room to collect the vehicles, but this does look nice.
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LOOOOVE IT!
Got to play with it too. Brian, the guy who designed it, is really cool and really put a lot of love and care into it. He can tell you off the top of his head how close it is to true scale with a 3 3/4 inch figure (an inch and a half if I remember correctly.) I think he had as much fun showing me the piece as I did playing with it.
Customizers note: The head (cockpit) comes off so that you can use the legs for a custom log crushed head if you build one.
The figure is just a repaint though, I did confirm that. I'm actually okay with it.
I also got paid a great compliment. Many of you know how much of an Imperial enthusiast I am and hopefully you've already seen my 219 photo album on 'scum of my battalion. I was starting to tell Brian about my collection and the album when his jaw dropped. "That's you?" he said. "I spent over an hour looking through your photos." He shook my hand and said some other nice things which didn't register as I was too flattered. Very cool.
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Ugh...another Walmart exclusive. Does Walmart ever offer their exclusives online?
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Sometimes.
The A-Wing and Gunship were offered online, in addition to the GH Cantina Cinema Sets from a while ago.
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Ouside of deco/driver I am loving this. Hopefully the deco will improve a bit in production. I am definitely getting two of these, that's more than enough. I am thinning down on prequel era vehicles to make room for more OTC based stuff. It's a nice feeling how I can actually pass on redecos now when before I would automatically but them.
Bummer about the driver. However when the new scanning crew dude comes out I plan on slapping the UBP AT-ST Driver helmets to have accurate/updated version until the real one comes out.
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That's till you find out Hasbro's plan for the Scanner dude. he will be a limited production figure, only 50 made, one for each state. The 2nd box variant will be part of a limited edition 2011 promotion as well. ::)
Hey, I like him... Something is bound to go wrong.
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That's till you find out Hasbro's plan for the Scanner dude. he will be a limited production figure, only 50 made, one for each state. The 2nd box variant will be part of a limited edition 2011 promotion as well. ::)
Hey, I like him... Something is bound to go wrong.
LOL!
C'mon have a little optimism, it's not 2003 when SW was non existent. I have been finding equal pricing online including shipping without the hassles of store runs. Screw the box stores, too much work. But you never know seeinf how Wave 5& 6 are this years TAC Wave 5.
Speaking of running changes did they update/confirm/verify the 2nd Uggy & HRT?
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Speaking of running changes did they update/confirm/verify the 2nd Uggy & HRT?
That is why he is so pessimistic. Ugnaught #2 will show up in the '09 Card line (BD28 in the RotJ wave cases), but the version 2 Hoth Rebel is getting shafted (http://www.jedidefender.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=18241.msg437203#msg437203) - low, low numbers in the AotC revision cases (only on-line for the most part and no way to tell which Rebel you will get when you order).
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Speaking of running changes did they update/confirm/verify the 2nd Uggy & HRT?
That is why he is so pessimistic. Ugnaught #2 will show up in the '09 Card line (BD28 in the RotJ wave cases), but the version 2 Hoth Rebel is getting shafted (http://www.jedidefender.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=18241.msg437203#msg437203) - low, low numbers in the AotC revision cases (only on-line for the most part and no way to tell which Rebel you will get when you order).
Crap, I missed that nugget. Fan outcry will no doubt motivate them to pull a Stormtrooper commander move and rerelease him down the line....I hope.
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Hello,
We're Hasbro... Would you like lube with your screwjob? It's 2009, so it's gonna cost you extra.
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Hello,
We're Hasbro... Would you like lube with your screwjob? It's 2009, so it's gonna cost you extra.
They are not as bad as Mattel but that really blows. The Ugnaught #2 would have worked out much better for this boo-boo but they went with the army builder. Screw the optimism **** I wrote earlier, I am pissed too. Now I really have to go on the hunt, I have no choice, I really do not care for the beardo. I bought 4 of him and swapped heads on three.
I do think they will bring this figure back later but it will be awhile.
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Does anyone have one in hand so we know to start looking?
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Does anyone have one in hand so we know to start looking?
In stores 10/01/09. Go back and look at the slide. ;)
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Does anyone have one in hand so we know to start looking?
In stores 10/01/09. Go back and look at the slide. ;)
Those dates don't seem to mean **** on some of the slides as some of the items shown have already been found, we could see this next week for all Hasbro knows. ;D
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Usually I don't start seeing stuff for months after the Hasbro slides say it should be in stores. I'd say by Thanksgiving it'll be everywhere.
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Those dates don't seem to mean **** on some of the slides as some of the items shown have already been found, we could see this next week for all Hasbro knows. ;D
True - our WMs are all a mess as you know, but bodes well for those folks out there that have WM's that stock exclusives.
I'd say by Thanksgiving it'll be everywhere.
*hopefully* :-\
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Does anyone have one in hand so we know to start looking?
In stores 10/01/09. Go back and look at the slide. ;)
I was actually talking about the HRT without the beard but this is the wrong thread. I got side tracked. Thanks anyway, I do appreciate the gesture!
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I'm still sticking with it being scaled properly, despite the designer's assertion it's an inch or so short. I'm wagering he's saying "at ease" it's short, but just looking at it "at ease" with a trooper under it, I think once it's in a normal standing/walking mode it's the proper size. 1" falls well within what I call the "fudging room" on SW vehicles.
Since prop models, lifesize set props, and such rarely ever match, there usually is a gap in the "actual" dimensions... This report just reinforces to me that this beast is done proper. Makes me excited to actually see one in person now. Right now my only gripe is the rear of the cockpit is filled in, leaving no room for ewoks to play with Chewbacca's hair and annoy him.
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It's close to scale, but I think the lack of vertical leg space in the cockpit confirms that it's not quite there.
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LOOOOVE IT!
Got to play with it too. Brian, the guy who designed it, is really cool and really put a lot of love and care into it. He can tell you off the top of his head how close it is to true scale with a 3 3/4 inch figure (an inch and a half if I remember correctly.) I think he had as much fun showing me the piece as I did playing with it.
Customizers note: The head (cockpit) comes off so that you can use the legs for a custom log crushed head if you build one.
The figure is just a repaint though, I did confirm that. I'm actually okay with it.
I also got paid a great compliment. Many of you know how much of an Imperial enthusiast I am and hopefully you've already seen my 219 photo album on 'scum of my battalion. I was starting to tell Brian about my collection and the album when his jaw dropped. "That's you?" he said. "I spent over an hour looking through your photos." He shook my hand and said some other nice things which didn't register as I was too flattered. Very cool.
Um, link please? I'd love to peruse those pics too.
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It's close to scale, but I think the lack of vertical leg space in the cockpit confirms that it's not quite there.
That could also be a design necessity though, for it's ability to connect sturdy to the lower body, the function of the removable "chin" guns... That's not unprecedented. I'm still hopeful just eyeballing it. Part of me thinks it's being measured via the walker "at ease" like I'd mentioned earlier, rather than at the ready for walking... That's the loophole, if you will, to how it could be to-scale and surprisingly big.
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I'm posting this as an interesting comparison between a lifesize prop/set prop, and a model of the AT-ST... This is why there's "fudge room" in the world of props/models from films. :) Notice how the cockpit of the model is elongated compared to the lifesize prop with Chewbacca popping out the top?
(http://www.jedidefender.com/yabbse/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=19027.0;attach=4540;image)
See how the forward thicker armor plate of the lifesize prop is more truncated than the model? Same movie, but that little detail gives two distinct impressions of the "length" of the cockpit from chinguns to top hatches.
There's other little subtle differences, and with other props and their models too (landspeeder, AT-TE, Jedi Starfighters, Airspeeders/Snowspeeders, etc.).
There's subtle differences between the models and the props that set them apart, and fudge up the supposed "scale" numbers.
Looking again at the toy:
(http://www.jedidefender.com/yabbse/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=19027.0;attach=4535;image)
It has the more truncated look of the lifesize prop than the film model.
Also on the cockpit arrangement. The cockpit is also design to hold figures that "don't give". This is a similar problem that 1:18 military toys have run into, making scale tanks/figures. The figures often have a difficult time fitting into their respective cockpit or hatch due to the fact that action figures are solid and don't give, whereas a real person's body/clothing shift and conform to fit into smaller openings, small seats, etc.
Hasbro's design of the cockpit is I'm sure partially due to the design of the toy (removable guns, removable "head", etc.), studiness, etc. But I'm also sure there's the issue of fitting two figures inside what by all diagrams, and the films themselves, shows to be a pretty cramped cockpit. They seem to have done away with the space in the back (where the Ewoks should go), to give extra room for the pilots to rest with their legs straight out and fit easier into the cockpit (probably thinking about Chewbacca too, a fairly large figure).
I'm still leaning towards this being to-scale, especially with the gap between models and lifesize props. This looks to me fairly spot on. The designer says an inch or so, but I'm holding to that being its height at ease. I think sitting up on its "haunches"(sp?) it's pretty darn accurate in height. I'm anxious to see one opened, in person, to compare with figures, measurements, etc. Finding SW scale on vehicles can be a real problem to solve at times. The AT-ST is sort of like the ROTS Jedi Fighters, in that it seems to change at times too, adding to the confusion. Right now though, I'm pretty excited for this piece.
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LOOOOVE IT!
Got to play with it too. Brian, the guy who designed it, is really cool and really put a lot of love and care into it. He can tell you off the top of his head how close it is to true scale with a 3 3/4 inch figure (an inch and a half if I remember correctly.) I think he had as much fun showing me the piece as I did playing with it.
Customizers note: The head (cockpit) comes off so that you can use the legs for a custom log crushed head if you build one.
The figure is just a repaint though, I did confirm that. I'm actually okay with it.
I also got paid a great compliment. Many of you know how much of an Imperial enthusiast I am and hopefully you've already seen my 219 photo album on 'scum of my battalion. I was starting to tell Brian about my collection and the album when his jaw dropped. "That's you?" he said. "I spent over an hour looking through your photos." He shook my hand and said some other nice things which didn't register as I was too flattered. Very cool.
Um, link please? I'd love to peruse those pics too.
There's a link in the collections section here, but for convenience, here's the 'Scum link (http://threads.rebelscum.com/photogallery/showgallery.php?cat=2223) to my album.
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There's a link in the collections section here, but for convenience, here's the 'Scum link (http://threads.rebelscum.com/photogallery/showgallery.php?cat=2223) to my album.
Awesome my friend. Your Imperial collection rivals my clone collection. While I certainly own a lot of Imperials, I know I don't own as many regular Stormtroopers as you.
I'll have to take some time and take pics of my clone armies. Though since it's in storage right now, that may be a distant prospect at best. (Hopefully when we buy a home and I actually have some room to display a good portion of my stuff)
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Noticed that Scum (http://www.rebelscum.com/TLCvehATST.asp) has a new gallery up. The coloring doesn't look as bad as the earlier packaging shots unless my eyes are playing tricks on me, but still doesn't look too great either. Still - I'm looking forward to picking this up....if I can find one.
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Looks to me like the best $39.99 item Hasbro has ever made. I'm all about a small army of these.
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Looks to me like the best $39.99 item Hasbro has ever made. I'm all about a small army of these.
Well, that's not saying much, but $40 feels about right for this. I'll probably pick one up if I can find it.
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Yeah, these have been found overseas in Europe if I'm not mistaken.
It looks fantastic. I'm excited to try and get three if I can I think, and weather two up substantially. The paintjob is pretty attrocious and the "toe cutters" aren't real accurate, but the walker itself is outstanding and quite tall. I'm impressed with everything but the pilot and paintjob.
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I'm down for two of these.
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I'm definitely looking forward to this one as well. Like others have mentioned, it actually feels right at that price, which can't be said of a lot these days it seems. Heck, I think I paid that much for the POTJ AT-ST (with Speederbike) that was at TRU back in those days. Better than the markup we're seeing on things like the ARC 170, etc. I've said it before, but I hope we see more of these OT vehicle re-dos in the years to come. Hopefully these will be readily available at everyone's WMs.
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I think out of everything we've seen this year, I'm excited about this the most. $40 is a fantastic price for this, IMO. I just hope it can easily be found.
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Nice scale, I´ll definetely buy one. Only I wish it hadn´t come with decals inside the cockpit, because we wait for a new era of an all sculpt toys both in interior and exterior.
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Heck, I think I paid that much for the POTJ AT-ST (with Speederbike) that was at TRU back in those days.
Pretty sure those sets were $29.99 IIRC. Great set it was for the packaged collector. :)
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Heck, I think I paid that much for the POTJ AT-ST (with Speederbike) that was at TRU back in those days.
Pretty sure those sets were $29.99 IIRC. Great set it was for the packaged collector. :)
Oh yeah, I think you're right about that price. Still...not too bad I guess considering what some of the other ships have been jumping to lately.
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Alright, what's the deal? Where is this guy? Anyone suppose that the delay could be fallout from the problems WM had with the last set of exclusives not being in the system and losing some profit?
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That's what I would like to know... Having collected the 21st Century Toys "Xtreme Detail" military line, which was until recently sold at Wal Mart, I am used to not finding "exclusive" items at my area stores for months after the release date, if at all. Hasbro, however, has usually performed better. I've seen all the exclusive SW items released so far on the shelves at my area stores, so I find it odd that the AT-ST has not yet come out. There aren't even any on eBay from the US yet.
It was surprising to me that TRU (at least in my area) got the new TIE Interceptor and Gunship exclusives so quickly, so I thought Wal Mart was going to do the same with the AT-ST, but so far nothing. The arrival of the AT-ST is probably only a short time away, probably in late October or November. In the mean time, I will continue to wait and check my Wal Marts weekly around the restock days. The AT-ST will be out soon enough and hopefully in large enough numbers.
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I wouldn't worry, these will show up before too long like you said.
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We still have the Dewback and the comic packs to go as well. Hope they all show up at once so I don't need to waste my time stopping at that store over and over again.
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One trip would be good for you, Mikey, as we know you love shopping Wal-Mart.
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I found mine this morning, $43.96. No sign of the comic packs or, surprisingly, Dewbacks-- but there were plenty of the Clone Wars trooper 2-packs, finally, as this store hasn't had 'em before so far as I saw.
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I also found the AT-ST today, which made my week 8)
This is an awesome vehicle and one I would highly recommend. I collect the really detailed 1:18 scale military vehicles and the AT-ST comes very close to those in terms of its quality and accuracy - that is not something Hasbro does often.
No sign of the Dewbacks yet, but the AT-ST was what I was really after.
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What a cool toy. It's weird after having the original to mess around with for 25 years to have a completely new version. Such an improvement, yet, room to complain.
While the size and overall look are just fantastic, the detailing is a bit lacking in both the sculpting and the paint. The paint's obvious, everyone's complaining about the paint, and that's easy to remedy by either customization or future re-release. The sculpting is a tad surprising though. It's just a bit plain. For example, the toe scissors, they're there, but they're not. The surface detail on everything below the head was just phoned in as well.
The head and the engineering of the legs are outstanding though. I can't get over how sturdy this thing is. Over all, love it.
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If you look close at the films, the toe scissors really aren't there... That's something the vintage one had more pronounced, possibly because the ESB model's so different than the ROTJ one and that's what it's based on more.
They're very small wire cutters (or whatever they were intended to be) on the toes though, on the ROTJ models. Both the lifesize prop and the models actually.
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Noted. Thanks.
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Still Zero sign of these locally.
I was to 3 WM's this weekend, some of them twice, and nada. Nothing on the shipping pallets tonight too as they were putting out Monday stock (checked two quick on the way home).
Not a good sign for this, for all of us right now.
I'm still hopeful for them showing up online so I can just ship site-to-store and avoid this horse ****.
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Yeah, I'm pretty ******* concerned about these not showing up. I keep checking walmart.com a bunch of times a day to see if they show up, but still no luck. I was able to score two Dewbacks though, so that's cool...but it's the AT-ST I really want.
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Well, just based on what I saw this weekend on the hunt, I'd be worried more about finding the Dewback than the AT-ST. The 2 stores around here with the AT-ST on display had A LOT. They completely filled their own endcap. Like the Octuptarra Droid, the stores that have them have lots of stock, it appears.
I've only seen 1 Wally with Dewbacks, and they just had 3. Those will go quick.
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I'm a little concerned about finding this as well. I checked all three of our local WMs too, without any sign of them here either. Our closest store doesn't really have a spot for them right now, as the small "feature endcap" of SW is filled with a few CW figures, and a bunch of Octuparra droids. They did get the Evolution sets at our closest store now, a month or two after another store in town. I ordered the Dewback online, and really hope the AT-ST shows up there now too. It would definitely take the stress out of it a bit. Aside from the ESB wave (which I have preordered), I think this is the only item I'm looking for the rest of the year. This is a reason I cringe when I hear that something spiffy is a WM exclusive, as our local stores seem to be so spotty with them over the past few years. Target and TRU can sometimes be higher priced, but I can't say I've ever had much trouble finding their exclusives for the most part.
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I too cringe when hearing of Wal Mart exclusives... Over the past several years, I collected the 1:18 Xtreme Detail military items made by 21st Century Toys, which were sold at Wal Mart until early 2009. If you cringe at the current level of Hasbro distribution, then trying to find 21st Century items was far worse, even during the line's heyday in the 2004-2007 timeframe. Judging from reports on the SSHQ forum, people would find new items (mostly in the midwest and upper south) and it would be often 3-4 months if at all before I found the same items in my area in central California - and I live only 150 miles from the 21st Century Toys headquarters. If the items even arrived, distribution would be sporadic. It used to drive me nuts and I let off more than my share of rants. Jesse James (another member of that forum) could probably attest the rants of myself and others who were left high and dry time and again while the same people always got the stuff.
Star Wars is a bit of a different story, however. Items usually seem to show up in my area and do so timely. I was able to get the Clone Wars Y-Wing within a week of the first sighting as well as the AT-STs and Dewbacks. The TIE Interceptors and Gunships at TRU even showed up early. There are more collectors that I have to contend with than when I collected the military items, so that makes tracking down some items a little trickier. Overall, however, I have greater confidence that I will eventually see the new items somewhere and get what I want.
That said, at least two of the Wal Marts in my area now have the AT-STs in large endcap displays with 10 or more vehicles. Dewback sets are in much smaller numbers. So far, I've only seen two Dewback sets and got one of them.
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Well, if you live in NYC (which doesn't have any Walmarts), then you're pretty much screwed when an exclusive goes to Walmart. So your options are...
A. Rent a car and hope I find some AT-STs
B. Pray that it magically appears
C. Hope it goes on sale at walmart.com
D. try and get it on ebay (this sucks)
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I found two AT-St's by chance this morning to my surprise after a few failed hunting trips this weekend. I saw a lot of Dewbacks as well, so many that I already came across some with repacked VOTC Stormtroopers in them, very hard to notice so be careful. I did find the lone two AT-ST's this morning next to the Octapurra Droids which made me very happy to be finished with exclusives this year. I got everyone I wanted. The only one that I am on the fence for is the Target Big Wing Tie Fighter.
This looks really good and compared to other exclusives the price was not bad at all.
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Looks to me like the best $39.99 item Hasbro has ever made. I'm all about a small army of these.
Ok guys ,seen these at a Wal*Mart in the area and they retail for $43.97! They were on an endcap in the craft department. Now knowing the price point and the fact I have the POTF2 and the POTJ versions make this an easy pass for me.
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I sold four of my old AT-STs over the past few months in favor of this one myself and left two more for my son to tear up,... and am very pleased that I did.
Have two of the new one so far, and have intentions to get at least two more. Once opened, this thing is incredible.
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I sold four of my old AT-STs over the past few months in favor of this one myself and left two more for my son to tear up,... and am very pleased that I did.
Have two of the new one so far, and have intentions to get at least two more. Once opened, this thing is incredible.
I did the same thing too, sold off all of my old ones when the prices were still good to put towards this one. I have not even opened either of the two I bought yet and can tell that there is no comparison. The old one is just so dated and off model.
I also sold my OTC Falcon loose for $90 before the BMF came out. In the words of the great white bearded one Kenny you got to know when to hold and know when to fold them.
I have three different Snowspeeders getting ready to fly off in the eBay sunset once I see the official confirmation of the new version.....
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One of my WM's has plenty of both this and the Dewback. If worse comes to worse, I should be able to hook people up as opposed to having to go to e-bay.
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Thanks man! I have the Dewback on the way from walmart.com, but I'll let you know if the AT-ST situation becomes a disaster! ;D
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I got mine over the weekend. There simply is no comparing this version of the vehicle to the older mold. There just isn't.
The amount of articulation they put into the legs alone is amazing.
The two seat cockpit, while still a bit too small is still a HUGE improvement over the previous release.
Well worth the $44 IMHO.
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NOBODY should be missing out on the Dewback at this point. Wal-Mart.com has them available site-to-store, and that's just perfect. It's a shame the AT-ST hasn't shown there yet.
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I got mine over the weekend. There simply is no comparing this version of the vehicle to the older mold. There just isn't.
The amount of articulation they put into the legs alone is amazing.
The two seat cockpit, while still a bit too small is still a HUGE improvement over the previous release.
Well worth the $44 IMHO.
You nailed it in your review. I just opened one of my two and the only other gripe I would add is missing weathering deco. It's an easy fix but this is worth the money, I do not expect these to last long so grab them while you can.
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Some thoughts now that I had this out of the box and
played with posed it for a while.
First...
-Articulation... It's articulated out the whazzoo, and the joints are all very stiff/sturdy. It's funny how poseable it is, because it actually probably goes beyond what the real thing would be capable of. :) It certainly exceeds the studio props which needed support, actually. That's kind of neat in and of itself.
-Sculpt... I feel the sculpting is superb. The immediate mistakes I noticed are small. The head's not quite as tall as it should be, but not horribly off either. It's very minimal, and really only would be noticeable to someone so fixated on the props I think. The AT-TE and other vehicles feature similar flaws, and this is pretty minor. I disagreed with Anton on the legs... I really felt the details here matched the props nicely, as did the detail all around. The fact they got the booted neck joint really had me giddy. I'm ecstatic to see that kind of thing. The inner-rings for the cheek turrets was a nice nod, and they got the feet and weapon details really right. They also tried getting cockpit details as nice as possible, to a point, and that's appreciated.
Another detail that's "off" is the "railing" around the top of the head separates into 3 pieces when it's really one solid rail all around on the prop. It's a little thing I noticed and am wondering if I can fix it on one easily enough (I believe I can).
-Paint aps... The only negative I can really say on this is the paint sucks. It's nowhere near realistic and the lacking paint aps do no justice to the finer details. The gun pods on both cheeks and the chin could stand a darker shade of grey. Gun barrels could use a slight dose of black misting to simulate burns. The turret head lacks any of the insignia the Endor walkers were seen with, and there's no "wash" to speak of save for very faint darker grey shades here and there. The rear of the cockpit should also feature a bit of a darker grey paintjob. Mud splatter on the feet would've been appropriate too I believe.
To some, and myself to an extent, the genericness of it is a nice pallet to work with... but to the usual collector who doesn't want to spiff it up, the paint's a big disappointment I'm sure and I agree. It's very generic though and that has its merits.
-Stickers... Not a fan of stickers at this point and I was disappointed to see some details were stickers inside rather than sculpted in (which wouldn't have cost anything, so it's a tad odd).
-Cockpit Interior... Some "fudging" was done on the interior because ultimately the lifesize prop interior is/was cramped and confined like a real tank would be. The cockpit is a good proper size, but because of figure limitations it's sculpted so a figure sits straight-legged rather than in a proper seated position. THis means liberties get taken and so you cannot fit a Wookie and 2 Ewoks inside obviously. Part of me almost wishes they'd not given us a figure, and instead designed the cockpit interior more realistically to accomodate a future AT-ST Driver that has bendable knees. This would've been more realistic, but at this stage of the game I really don't mind the liberties taken to make this accomodate more figures. It's still a flaw I noticed though early on before I had it.
My thoughts overall though are that it's simply fantastic. THis may be my favorite vehicle ever. It's a little difficult to balance it, but it does balance well and it's sturdier than I imagined it would be even. The thing is big too. In "walking" mode it looks just menacingly large... Standing still "at ease" like in the movie's it's still big. I love it and picked up 3 so far. I'd like to dirty up one proper, and fix some of the aesthetic things on the outside (and a few on the inside) to make a more movie-accurate item. I'm excited at the prospect actually, as this is a really nicely made item overall and there's not a whole lot beyond a great paintjob that it needs to look like a movie prop. That's impressive from a toy company I think!
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Thanks for the review, Jesse! Man, I want this thing so bad...it's one of my top three resculpted vehicles that I've wanted since around the time the line relaunched. The Millennium Falcon I've obviously gotten, and now (once I actually find the AT-ST) I've got my fingers crossed for a better AT-AT.
But the question remains...when is Walmart.com going to get this thing?!
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Yeah, great review Jesse. I really hope I'm able to get at least one of these as well. They haven't shown up locally yet, so I'm sort of hoping for WM.com to come through as well. I'm really enjoying the OT vehicle re-dos. The vintage molds are nice, and really spiffy for the time, but when we do see these updates you really see what can be done now. I'm hoping for a re-done AT-AT in the future as well. I know it'll never be "to scale", but looking at the old one, I'll bet they could spiff it up a bit. Can't wait for the new Snowspeeder next year as well (and hopefully/maybe Slave 1).
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I found 24 of these over the last 2 days at 2 different Walmarts. I picked 2 up.
Jesse James already said about all there is to say about this thing, it's phenomenal.
That said, I still think $43 is a little bit steep for this thing. So I got 2 instead of 3, but I'll sleep okay at night with that.
Buy it, you'll absolutely love this one.
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Great review. I agree that this is now one of my favorite SW vehicles and Hasbro did a fantastic job with it. Really, it is one of the recent Star Wars vehicles that I'm the most pleased with. I've long collected the realistic military vehicle collectables which usually feature stellar amounts of detail and function compared to the standard Star Wars item. In my opinion, the new AT-ST is one of the few Hasbro Star Wars vehicles that approaches those in terms of detail, accuracy, scale, and playability. The new TIE Interceptor also does the same, along with a few of the existing vehicles, but not many overall. Now if Hasbro can just keep this trend up ;)
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An interesting issue with the AT-ST's been brought up recently and I agree with it to an extent... The issue is the ratcheting nature of the leg articulation, and how it "forces" (and I'm using that in quotes for a reason, bear with me) certain ways to pose the AT-ST so it's capable of standing and looking believable.
The ratcheting system is incredibly sturdy and if it's made of what I think it is, it's durable as well. I see the issue people are having though that the space between ratchets is sometimes how you want to pose it.
AT-ST's int he films have a couple of stances that seem "standard". They're taller when walking for instance, than "at ease", and then there's a standing still stance between being "at ease" and walking where they're not in motion but they're at the ready for movement and are taller than the "at ease" pose. This is probably their most likely stance for laying down fire for troopers when not in movement of course.... and then one could argue the Hasbro toy's ability to really heighten the AT-ST is a "real" thing that a hypothetically real one would have to gain height against targets or see over obstacles.
OK, so all that said, Hasbro's ratcheting system in this toy's design makes that stance in between "at ease" and "walking" heights difficult to achieve, but NOT impossible! I have officially got it right now on both my opened walkers, and it's really added a bit of height, and realism to the walker. If I could snap a photo of this quickly I would, and will when I can, to show what I'm saying.
Basically to acheive it though you must CAREFULLY pull the hip joint between ratchets. It will hold the weight of the walker, but it's tricky getting it there. This gives the AT-ST the more menacing height it deserves (and which most measurements for it come from, as it's the measurement and look of the lifesize immobile prop/set piece) I believe.
This is, as of right now, I believe my favorite piece in my collection. I find so little wrong with it, and so much right... Could some things be better? Yes, namely the paint, but beyond that I find really no major flaw with this. It's big, it's poseable, it's intimidating looking, it has lots of playability, it works for Clone Wars and Original Trilogy (kids don't know the difference and would probably love this for their Clones), it's got repaint options (I want the one specifically Chewbacca & Co. hijack, and a Hoth deco would be loved. I'd even buy EU decoes gladly) if Hasbro wants, and it's got detailing out the whazzoo that the paintjob ( or lackthereof) does a disservice to...
If you haven't bought, you're missing out on maybe the single best vehicle Hasbro's made IMO. You knock ANYTHING off the price and I think you have a bargain. As the price stands, I think you have a "fair deal".
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Jesse (or anyone else who has this thing), can you hook us up with some pics?
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Jesse (or anyone else who has this thing), can you hook us up with some pics?
PM sent.
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Thanks Justin!
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We were doing some out of town Christmas shopping today, and stopped at a WM on the way home and found about a dozen of these on the shelves, so I was happy to pick one up. I wouldn't mind getting another one eventually, but I didn't think the wife would go for getting two AT-STs today. If we ever get them locally, or at WM.com, I may grab another.
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Our local WM had five of these on the shelf today, and I have to admit after opening the one I got a week or so ago, I'm tempted to grab one more. I may do that if they are still there after pay day. I've never really "army built" vehicles, but I wouldn't mind having at least a couple of these - and maybe a couple of the new Snowspeeders if we indeed get those next year. Really a nicely done vehicle I think. I have it standing next to the POTF2 AT-AT though, and it does make me sort of want a redone AT-AT, even if it couldn't be to scale. :)
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So far, these are not really moving in my area. One of my local Wal Marts has at least 10 of them still sitting on the shelf. I'm content with my one, but if they are discounted after the holidays, I'll grab another ;)
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I'd say of the 20 or so that got out at most WM's I visit, about half are gone. Some it's seemed like more but they've not sold out. The Dewback is gone at many WM's, or down to at most 4 which I saw tonight. Many sold out though of that piece. Surprising in a way.
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just got this yesterday and I was very underwhelmed by this after picking up the AT-TE recently for nearly the smae price. I understand that it is not a very fait comparison, but dollars to dollars this thing is horrible.
While the insane amount of articulation is cool upon opening the box, out of the box it is less than spectacular. Mine loves to fall over if it is in any position other than the one straight out of the box. Also, the head will not stay on. The way the head is supposed to clip in doesn't work I think because the clips are too small. It should be fixable with glue - but that should not be necessary.
Also the driver leaves nothing to write home about in comparison to figures of todays current standards.
$44 is way too much for this - but again I am jaded after recently getting the AT-TE for $50.
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Bear in mind you technically shouldn't be getting an AT-TE for $50 too though. ;) That's a $100 toy.
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I feel $44 is too much for the AT ST too - but then I got the AT TE for $15. ;D
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Although I've yet to open mine, to me, $44 dollars (sub $40 value for the AT-ST/$5-6 value for the figure) is an extremely fair price for this considering it being an all new item. I much rather support the line by purchasing this at full price than any of the other repainted offerings at their full price.
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Although I've yet to open mine, to me, $44 dollars (sub $40 value for the AT-ST/$5-6 value for the figure) is an extremely fair price for this considering it being an all new item. I much rather support the line by purchasing this at full price than any of the other repainted offerings at their full price.
Although I'd certainly like to pay less, I didn't think that $40-ish was a terrible price for this either. I remember picking up the POTJ one for around $30 I believe (although it did come with a speeder bike and two figures), but with the way prices have increased on figures and everything else since then - and the fact that it is a completely new sculpt (and exclusive), $40 didn't seem too terrible. Plus, it seems - at least at this point - this is the only way we'll be getting new OT vehicles and beasts (meaning, the exclusive route), I'll support it at that price. I'm tempted to pick up a second, but haven't decided yet. Sure, it isn't as good a deal as a $50 (or $15) AT-TE, but like Jesse said, that's the sale price. If we were getting these AT-STs for $22 each, we'd be going crazy buying these up too.
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Although I've yet to open mine, to me, $44 dollars (sub $40 value for the AT-ST/$5-6 value for the figure) is an extremely fair price for this considering it being an all new item. I much rather support the line by purchasing this at full price than any of the other repainted offerings at their full price.
Agreed completely. For something all new, there's no comparison to something like a repackaged TIE or X-Wing (even if they do come with a new ladder or cockpit).
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Yeah, the all-new and improved AT-ST @ $44 sure puts that $50 half-new, half-recycled TRU TIE Interceptor to shame... :-\
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The only thing that bumps the TIE Int. up to me is that it's scaled right and the cockpit features a ton of detail inside and out (the functioning ejection seat and all that jazz). But I still only bought one, mostly because of price, of that item.
I'd like 2 or 3 more AT-ST's... or even more. :-[ I bought 2 myself and I'm compelled to get at least a 3rd here before Christmas.
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Yeah, the all-new and improved AT-ST @ $44 sure puts that $50 half-new, half-recycled TRU TIE Interceptor to shame... :-\
Agreed and agreed.
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I'll be looking to get a 2nd if not 3rd. I still haven't taken the first one out of the box yet, but there have been plenty enough kudos from reputable folk here that I'm confident in the multiple purchases. Thank goodness for Clone Cash, at least there is some savings. Still it's a decent price, IMO.
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I'm late to the party, but I finally picked one of these up last night. As someone who has never owned an AT-ST before, I love it. Unlike the old/vintage version, it actually looks like it came straight out of the film. Heck, it's actually a lot smaller than I imagined it being. I'd say the worst part about the set is the AT-ST Driver, but they kind of had to include him and this is the "best" modern AT-ST Driver sculpt available so huzzah. Like everyone was saying a few pages back, totally worth the $44, and it puts these $50-$75 repaint ships to shame.
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Locally, these are selling fairly steadily I'm seeing now too... I'd say they've moved half of them, and they've had a lot. For a $45 toy, that's not too shabby I think. I think they may still see some price cut after Christmas, and at that point I plan to buy one more myself, perhaps 2.
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I'm not sure how many our local store has gotten in, but they seem to have sold about half as well. I stopped in there today, and they still had four on the shelf. I've picked up two, but if it did see significant cuts, I might grab another as well. I hope it is considered a "success" (along with the Dewback), so we can see some more re-done OT stuff in the future.
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Agreed. I'm really happy with both the AT-ST and the Dewback.
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I've seen the Dewback but not the AT-ST at Walmart.
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I've seen the Dewback but not the AT-ST at Walmart.
Yup..that's WM for ya. I've only seen these at 1 WM, but I have to make time to nab another before they disappear before the next repaint - hopefully it will look much better than the sweat stained version we have now.
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I was at Wal-mart last night picking up some items and noticed the end-cap that was loaded with the new AT-ST was now full of Turbo Tanks. I looked around a little and found the AT-ST's in an overflow area and on clearance for $29.
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looked around a little and found the AT-ST's in an overflow area and on clearance for $29.
Yup..that's WM for ya. Wish I had some of those stupid clearance stores in my area. ::)
Heck - I'm just happy all these last batches of exclusives showed up at certain stores in my area.
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Its not like I live in the middle of no-where. This is Los Angeles. You think these things would be easy to find. Stupid Walmart.
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My local WM was holding out on me. I picked up two over thanksgiving break while in Atlanta, but about a week or two after I returned to Raleigh I saw nearly 50 of these in the grocery section.
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I'm hoping I can find some on clearance for those prices Matt... They saw a spike in sales here recently and I was hoping to nab some to flesh out a group of them, but also to customize a couple (hopefully) with some creative license. :)
That $29's a steal man. Lucky dog!
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I was at Wal-mart last night picking up some items and noticed the end-cap that was loaded with the new AT-ST was now full of Turbo Tanks. I looked around a little and found the AT-ST's in an overflow area and on clearance for $29.
Nice. So they put the AT-ST on clearance, which is already impossible to find, while leaving the Octuptarra Droid gathering dust on the shelves at $35 a pop.
ASININE!
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You know what they say about supply and demand. The more demand and the less supply equals put it on clearance. Oh wait. Maybe I should give my economics degree back.
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I got one for my son for christmas and he loves it. we have the one from targets' exclusive hoth set two years ago and this one totally out-does that one. Great toy for kids. Only thing to watch for is the legs are only stable standing straight and the head is a little top-heavy. But it is freaking cool!
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My WM still has a lot of these left. WM's are weird with their exclusives as many have pointed out. if these go on clearance I may get two more.
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Our local store still has 3-4 of these on the shelf as well. I've grabbed two already, but I'd be tempted if they hit clearance as well. I do hope it sells well though, so we see more things like this in the future.
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For anyone who happens to be finding cheap AT-ST's, and if you have the means to help out, can you send me a PM? Locally they're pretty well sold out, or not going on clearance, and I'd really like to have picked a couple of these up for customizing. Thought I'd have the chance but right now it's not looking good out this way.
If you can help drop me a PM... I appreciate it a lot!
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I've not been checking my area too religiously as of late, but at least one of my area Wal Marts still has 6-8 of the AT-STs and they have the little green price sticker reading "Was -- Now $43.95." I didn't scan one, but the tags are probably right. I'm sure they will actually get discounted in due time ;)
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Jesse, I noticed in another thread you had a store with 30ish AT-STs suddenly go missing... I think they all were sent down here to Texas because one of my WMs JUST put out a crapton of AT-STs and Dewbacks. All at full price.
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Most of the stores around here that have them left put them in very odd locations - nowhere near the toy section. Still full price too, even in the clearance aisles.
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Yep. All the At-St's around here are clearance isle adjacent. In the same isle, but not on the clearance side. :P
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Our local WM has now moved these from the clearance aisle, back to the regular SW section (and removed the "clearance" tags that were full price), and dropped them to $30 each. I was tempted to pick up a third, but I'll wait and see if they go lower.
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OK, I'm very late to this party, but I just found these locally and grabbed one and tore it open today. Like has been said repeatedly, it's a fantastic vehicle and will make a very impressive addition to my Hoth display. (Perhaps I'll add another to my Endor display...)
But I gotta ask, what the hell is up with the driver's foot?
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v687/JesseVader08/P1030605.jpg)
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Packaging malformation...
I'm guessing these figures may actually have been pretty warm when put in, for whatever reason, as many have that malformed foot. Run it under hot water and you can move the foot around and it will start to take its original shape. My figure's foot reshaped on its own almost instantly but needed just a little coaxing to get it so it'd stand.
Definitely not molded that way originally though Jesse.
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Thanks JJ. When I first saw it like that, I assumed there must be a pedal for his foot to sit on, but obviously that wasn't the case.
I'm off to see if I can fix it up.
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I picked up one last night "clearanced" for $35. :P Very excited about getting this though. My collection is largely figures and LEGO, so this fella will definitely stand out.
Question: The Wally I got this at had about 6-7 on the shelf and it seemed most had had the chin guns fall off. Was this due to 'Johnny' shaking the box because Mommy wouldn't let him get it, or do the guns fall off pretty easy?
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The guns on mine don't fall off at all. But the heads are a bit loose.
Regarding the foot, I've bought three of these and two of the drivers have the warped foot issue.
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Soemtimes when an Imperial officer was cloned too many times, they'd end up with a club foot. :D
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So I bought a 4th today...
I was at 4 Wal-Marts this weekend and only one had any AT-ST's left and there were only 3 at full price. So I had a $10 card from something and so I decided $10 off is good enough and I bought one more.
One WM I was at had 8 but moved them (finally) out of clearance and to a main aisle, and they started selling so they were out... Another sold out ages ago, and the other one that had none didn't even have them in the system (I've carried a barcode with me to scan just as I'm walking by, haha).
Anyway that made me cave. No clearance AT-ST's for me. The way this sold though, I think it's inevitable it'll be out again. I just hope the deco is improved on any future version. I'm hoping I can get maybe some second-hand down the road for less. $30 would be fine, I just will hold at 4 now. One WM I visit semi-frequently I know has some left tucked away in a weird part of the store so I hope those go down in price, but at this point it seems less likely.
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my son loved this thing, it is so cool! but it fell yesterday and I think something broke off at the body. I can't find the piece and now the left leg won't stay on. I'll check my local wallys to see if one has any left I can exchange or I'll in touch with hasbro cust support.
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I noticed that our local WM, after marking these down to $30, now has them back up to the $43.86 price. I really don't get the price changes there sometimes. These started at $43 here, then moved to the "clearance" aisle after Christmas (with red clearance stickers but the same $43 price), then moved back to the normal aisle with normal tagging at $30, and now the tags are changed to $43 again.
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I've heard Walmart employees say its a way of fooling the customer into thinking they are getting a deal where none exists. I've seen them put a clearance sticker on at its regular retail price but mark up a much higher price that it was "marked down from".
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These suddenly disappeared from my stores. The only one I found was marked back up to $44.
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I found time to open my $22 clearance opener and I really dig this thing, but can't stand the sweat stains. Kinda wish they would have used the wash like they did on the back of the head all over the body, but no biggie. Looking forward to the inevitable Hoth repaint. It's nice to actually move the legs around in all sorts of crazy positions, but the vinty version still holds a special spot for me as it was one of the few SW vehicles I had as a kid.
Two questions - what's the slot for on the back part of the body and is this thing lighter than the vintage mold? I don't have any of mine out at the moment to compare, but this thing is very light.
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The WM by me has had these in the "clearence"aisle for weeks but at the full $40 price. I keep hoping they go down so I can buy at least one more. If they would get it down to 2 I would probably buy 2. I love this vehicle.
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I picked up two more of these beasts for $24 each today. I was happy that my local WM finally marked them down. 4 AT-STs lined up looks pretty awesome, but it unfortunately takes up a decent amount space.
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There is a Report that these (and the Dewback) are showing up at ROSS stores. I am going to head over at lunch to get firm intel and Pics if possible.
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Yep, I heard $14.99 for the dewback and $20.00 for the chicken walker.
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It's true. I got 2 AT-ST's just now. No Dewbacks but I'm wagering that's just the store I was at. I have Ross's everywhere here so I'm going to hopefully hit another one this weekend and maybe a third. We'll see how this goes.
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My Walmart has dewbacks for $14 and exclusive Rebel pilot Evo sets for $9.
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Dewbacks went with AT-ST's here... :-\ I'd have loved to score another Dewback but such is life I figured (I got 2, I figured I was lucky at that).
I bought the last Evo set at my WM last week... AT-ST's were my big clearance want, as there were a couple stores that had 8 or more (one had at least a dozen, and all in a weird aisle endcap near a wall over near lawn & garden, nowhere near toys). They dried up fast though, even that store.
I got the two AT-ST's tonight and I'm giddy. I paid full price for most of my AT-ST's but to get 2 at half off, I'm really on cloud nine and I'm up to a nice "standard imperial armor column" of them too. They're sharp as hell. I plan to custom at least one up. If I had found more I was planning some full-on repainting with EU camo. My other Ross had NOTHING though, but a lone Vos/Faie comic pack.
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Hard to pass these up for $20. I picked up two more this last week bringing my total to 4 of these. If they can last a few more weeks, I'll get two more.
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Picked up one at Ross as well as a Rebel Pilots evo set.
Have you ever noticed how the Hoth AT-ST looks nothing like the Endor one?
(http://www.telusplanet.net/public/djustus/Darth%20Vader/At-St.jpg)
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Yes.
The Hoth AT-ST is actually a 100% different model. It stands taller on its legs when walking compared to the Endor AT-ST, and the head is thinner/smaller overall.
The Vintage AT-ST is actually based on the ESB model design (obviously because it came out in 1980 prior to ROTJ opening). On it there's the little helmet/horns logo on the side and things, just like the toy.
The Endor AT-ST then sits more squat, it lacks the little tabs holding the ankle tight on the back, and other things... The new AT-ST mold is based on the Endor one. The original AT-ST was actually NOT intended to be used till Lucas saw it and liked it a lot. He then insisted they keep the design and add it into the FX shots.
EU's got a lot more designs too... Some full cockpit changes, some just different weaponry to the existing "frame". Marvel was notorious for this. They did a lot of different designs for different vehicles, actually, but the AT-ST seems to have the most variety in EU for some reason. *shrugs*
I wouldn't count on the Hoth AT-ST being done accurately though, to that model. I'd dig it, but I just don't think it'll ever happen. The differences are really significant, especially if you ever see both models side-by-side. A possible reason for the differences is that the ESB Model/Design was destroyed. This happened a lot more than people realize... The Y-Wings seen on tours, or in many archive photos, are not originals... All ANH YW's were destroyed or thrown away. YW's in ESB and ROTJ then are technically new builds.
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So is the Hoth version suppost to be a one man version?