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I recently pre-ordered the Clone Evolution set.
It includes 3 all SA -
1. AOTC Generic Yellow Clone
2. ROTS Commander Bly Clone
3. OTC Sandtrooper
Super sweeeeeet!
It's not Commander Bly, but it is a grunt in his legion. Bly has a solid yellow painted helmet fin, yellow painted thigh armor, and macrobinoculars on the helmet. The visual dictionary is also incorrect. They have a grunt in Bly's legion labeled as Commander Bly.
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I recently pre-ordered the Clone Evolution set.
It includes 3 all SA -
1. AOTC Generic Yellow Clone
2. ROTS Commander Bly Clone
3. OTC Sandtrooper
Super sweeeeeet!
It's not Commander Bly, but it is a grunt in his legion. Bly has a solid yellow painted helmet fin, yellow painted thigh armor, and macrobinoculars on the helmet. The visual dictionary is also incorrect. They have a grunt in Bly's legion labeled as Commander Bly.
We really don't know this yet
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Judging from the looks of Commander Thire, and from the fact that the clone in Bly's legion with the macrobinoculars is the only one shown like that, I'd say that we do know that, Scott.
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Judging from the looks of Commander Thire, and from the fact that the clone in Bly's legion with the macrobinoculars is the only one shown like that, I'd say that we do know that, Scott.
OWNED! :P
So these are definatley grunts then. I hope we get a Bly. :)
Kevin
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Judging from the looks of Commander Thire, and from the fact that the clone in Bly's legion with the macrobinoculars is the only one shown like that, I'd say that we do know that, Scott.
OWNED! :P
So these are definatley grunts then. I hope we get a Bly. :)
Kevin
You can infer all you want but nothing is confirmed until said so by LFL and what we have so far calls the non-colored version Bly, so, even though I agree with you, I don't think you can state it as fact yet, sorry
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what we have so far calls the non-colored version Bly, so, even though I agree with you, I don't think you can state it as fact yet, sorry
Okay, then just one more inference: Scott agrees with non-facts.
:D
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Nope, I just don't think we know is all, who knows if all of those clones are even in the movie at all? You don't until you see them on Thursday, and in that case, for me at least, they move from I want to I could care less about. Even if it is a grunt, its still cool and then I would want a Bly figure :-*
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Some of these Clone Commanders will undoubtedly make it into the Databank at The Official Site at some point. That will probably be the definitive statement on the issue. Until then, the Visual Dictionary is the only visual reference that Lucasfilm has offered, and should be treated as the real deal. You can disagree with that all you want, but until photographic evidence is offered up to the contrary, or you see the movie at Midnight Wednesday and Aayla Secura specifically addresses a certain Clone Trooper as Bly, then we have to accept the Visual Dictionary as fact.
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Some of these Clone Commanders will undoubtedly make it into the Databank at The Official Site at some point. That will probably be the definitive statement on the issue. Until then, the Visual Dictionary is the only visual reference that Lucasfilm has offered, and should be treated as the real deal. You can disagree with that all you want, but until photographic evidence is offered up to the contrary, or you see the movie at Midnight Wednesday and Aayla Secura specifically addresses a certain Clone Trooper as Bly, then we have to accept the Visual Dictionary as fact.
I don't think so. Why would just 1 of this crew have a yellow painted breath filter, yellow painted thigh armor, macrobinoculars, and the long rifle rather than the short one that all the other are carrying, look just like Thire, and not be Commander Bly? The Visual Dictionary is clearly a mistake.
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Some of these Clone Commanders will undoubtedly make it into the Databank at The Official Site at some point. That will probably be the definitive statement on the issue. Until then, the Visual Dictionary is the only visual reference that Lucasfilm has offered, and should be treated as the real deal. You can disagree with that all you want, but until photographic evidence is offered up to the contrary, or you see the movie at Midnight Wednesday and Aayla Secura specifically addresses a certain Clone Trooper as Bly, then we have to accept the Visual Dictionary as fact.
I don't think so. Why would just 1 of this crew have a yellow painted breath filter, yellow painted thigh armor, macrobinoculars, and the long rifle rather than the short one that all the other are carrying, look just like Thire, and not be Commander Bly? The Visual Dictionary is clearly a mistake.
...In your opinion.
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Some of these Clone Commanders will undoubtedly make it into the Databank at The Official Site at some point. That will probably be the definitive statement on the issue. Until then, the Visual Dictionary is the only visual reference that Lucasfilm has offered, and should be treated as the real deal. You can disagree with that all you want, but until photographic evidence is offered up to the contrary, or you see the movie at Midnight Wednesday and Aayla Secura specifically addresses a certain Clone Trooper as Bly, then we have to accept the Visual Dictionary as fact.
I don't think so. Why would just 1 of this crew have a yellow painted breath filter, yellow painted thigh armor, macrobinoculars, and the long rifle rather than the short one that all the other are carrying, look just like Thire, and not be Commander Bly? The Visual Dictionary is clearly a mistake.
...In your opinion.
The only alternative explanation is that Commander Bly likes to have a decoy to be mistaken for commander and that he likes to personally blend in with the grunts. So unless that proves to be true, the Visual Dictionary picture is mislabeled.
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...Or Bly isn't the only Commander involved with the situation on Felucia. *Ahem*
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Okay, according to the comic published by "Lucas Books," in the scene on Felucia, Aayla says, "Is it droids Bly?" And then, the clone (Commander Bly) with the macrobinoculars, yellow painted thigh armor, yellow painted breath filter, and long rifle, the only one who looks like that (And like Thire) replies to Aayla, "NO" and then pulls a pistol and shoot her in the back.
There is Scott's and Nick's proof that Aayla addresses Commander Bly and he replies to her directly.
Checkmate.
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So to wrap this up, this is a standard Felucia grunt in Bly's legion:
Notice how he does not have yellow painted thigh armor, a long rifle, macrobinoculars on his helmet, or a yellow painted breath filter like Commander Bly does.
(http://img111.exs.cx/img111/6374/screenplaypage035image00010ep.jpg)
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:o
::)
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And here Commander Bly can be seen, note that he is the only one with the long commander rifle, macrobinoculars on his helmet, and yellow painted thigh armor:
(http://img185.exs.cx/img185/9261/story49xh0rq.jpg)
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And here is a closeup of Commander Bly with his macrobinocs and yellow painted breath filter:
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y2/Jedi_Joel/secura.jpg)
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Okay, according to the comic published by "Lucas Books," in the scene on Felucia, Aayla says, "Is it droids Bly?" And then, the clone (Commander Bly) with the macrobinoculars, yellow painted thigh armor, yellow painted breath filter, and long rifle, the only one who looks like that (And like Thire) replies to Aayla, "NO" and then pulls a pistol and shoot her in the back.
There is Scott's and Nick's proof that Aayla addresses Commander Bly and he replies to her directly.
Checkmate.
Not quite. Lucas Licensing had to approve both DK's Visual Dictionary AND Dark Horse's comic adaptation. That being said, there is contradictory information from Lucas Licensing. You're wasting entirely too much of your time trying to prove this.
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Nick, arent you trying to disprove it though?
Can't we all just get along?
Kevin
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Nick, arent you trying to disprove it though?
Can't we all just get along?
Kevin
Not at all. There's info out there that says one thing, and info indicating another. If the Visual Dictionary says one thing and the comic adaptation says another, then we have a contradiction. It's contradictory information from Lucasfilm, meaning that WE DON'T KNOW FOR CERTAIN. That's far from saying that you can definitively point to a picture and say "This is Commander Bly".
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Yet just this morning Nicklab stated that "all we have" is the visual dictionary. And now, after a lesson on Lucas Books' comic version, we have "contradictory information." That's progress! Go Nick!!
I think I taught Nick something today. Learning can be fun.
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That will probably be the definitive statement on the issue. Until then, the Visual Dictionary is the only visual reference that Lucasfilm has offered, and should be treated as the real deal.
lol
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That will probably be the definitive statement on the issue. Until then, the Visual Dictionary is the only visual reference that Lucasfilm has offered, and should be treated as the real deal.
lol
So where in your bountiful reasearch do you have a signed affidavit from the artist(s) who drew and colored the comic adaptation that they saw the entire movie from begining to end ALONG WITH definitive character designs for every single Clone Trooper in REVENGE OF THE SITH? And of course, corroborating evidence from the people who approve all of these materials at Lucas licensing before they go to press? Oh wait, you don't.
OWNED. So totally OWNED.
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Nope, you're wrong. The one with the macrobinocs is Bly. You know it too.
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Nick, arent you trying to disprove it though?
Can't we all just get along?
Kevin
This is the best we've ever gotten along, this is great!
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I'd say, currently, nobody is "right" on this... The Visual Dictionary is as much a piece of EU as anything... So is the "Official Site's Databank", Comic Books, or pretty much anything else...
I think everyone, despite what's in print form anywhere, should judge by the film only as to what's "fact" or not. The Databank puts AT-AT heights at 15m when the film shows they're clearly a bit larger... If we're discussing "canon vs. non-canon", then the films will forever be the only true evidence, and so far nobody's got that backing them up.
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One again, I've got to disagree with the notion that the Commander without the binocs is a Grunt. Grunts don't wear the armor of a commander.
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And here Commander Bly can be seen, note that he is the only one with the long commander rifle, macrobinoculars on his helmet, and yellow painted thigh armor:
(http://img185.exs.cx/img185/9261/story49xh0rq.jpg)
That troop right over her right shoulder sure looks like he's got yellow markings on his face
ANd I'm with Nick on this one still, you can infer all you want, its not fact until shown to be otherwise, especially with two pieces of literature that say two different things
If I had to say one or the other I think I'd pick the more colorful version but like Jesse said, right now it is all EU and we don't know until more support comes along to say otherwise, end of story
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Nope, you're wrong. The one with the macrobinocs is Bly. You know it too.
(http://img34.photobucket.com/albums/v104/nextseason/Avatars/cleo_new.jpg)
Not only do you know the future, but you read minds too? Uhhh.... NO.
Scott is completely right. The only thing that will settle this is Aayla Secura addressing a specific Clone Commander IN THE MOVIE as Commander Bly. Until then it's all questionable.
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Hey Nick, the last time you libs were throwing that Dressel Cleo icon around was when I told you all that Kerry was gonna be sent packing back to whatever rock he crawled out from underneath, and President Bush would win a second term. Y'all threw that Cleo thing around for over 6 months, and we all know how much egg you, and Zod, and the rest of the lib contingent had on your faces! It was enough egg to make omelettes for all of America. So thanks for the vote of confidence again. I was right then, and I'll be right again this time.
Seriously though, I love all y'all.
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Simmer down now!
Let's not spark the political stuff... Friendly jabs (if that's what it is) are fine, but the political BS stays off the site, that's our rule.
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Simmer down now!
Let's not spark the political stuff... Friendly jabs (if that's what it is) are fine, but the political BS stays off the site, that's our rule.
I just had to remind them that using the Cleo icon hasn't exactly worked to their advantage in the past. Nothing more political will be said.
:D
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:o :-X
..and now back to the evolution assorments
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In the Hyperspace Reversal of Fortune webstrip Bly has the visor, and even in grayscale you can sometimes see the additional shading on the chin.
http://www.starwars.com/hyperspace/member/webstrips/reversal/img/137.jpg
http://www.starwars.com/hyperspace/member/webstrips/reversal/img/102.jpg
(You have to have HS membership to view them).
So far two EU sources say that's Bly, one EU source says it's not, and then of course there's whatever is in the movie itself.
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Nope, you're wrong. The one with the macrobinocs is Bly. You know it too.
(http://img34.photobucket.com/albums/v104/nextseason/Avatars/cleo_new.jpg)
Not only do you know the future, but you read minds too? Uhhh.... NO.
Scott is completely right. The only thing that will settle this is Aayla Secura addressing a specific Clone Commander IN THE MOVIE as Commander Bly. Until then it's all questionable.
Now let's not be hotlinking my photoshopping genius from my photobucket account okay? That should be my job. I'll skip the warning about getting political (yes, ironic coming from me) since JJ got to it far ahead of me.
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It just seemed so appropo! ;) Besides, I gave up discussing politics with knuckleheads on the internet a long time ago.
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Now let's not be hotlinking my photoshopping genius
Yeah it was real genius Zod, are we forgetting what Cleo has come to symbolize? Let's just say you have 4 years to think about it :D
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Welcome to the new Commander Bly thread here.
I had to split all the "discussion" of his character off of the Evolutions thread. But feel free to continue discussing him here, but let's lay off the political beefs, and the cartoon commentary please. Thanks.
- Matt
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Well all of us who didn't go to a Midnite Show want to know....
please settle the hottest debate since Coke or Pepsi, Britney or Christina and Red or Blue....
Which one is he?
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Even after seeing the movie, I still don't know. The Clones were on screen in what seemed like split second increments, and didn't have as big of a role as I had expected.
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Like I said earlier, I would guess this is something the Official Site will clarify in the next few days (ala the Clone Colors in AOTC)
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Like I said earlier, I would guess this is something the Official Site will clarify in the next few days (ala the Clone Colors in AOTC)
I agree. They've already given us a Databank update on the ships in the opening sequence of RotS, and the latest update is a look at the "Rebel Alliance" Senators (most all of whom ended up on the cutting room floor).
I'd expect there to be a Clone & Commander Update in the next month...
Jeff
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And even though it is still EU from the sounds of it, I, personally will go with the Official Site not a Comic or the Visual Dictionary. But that's just me ;)
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Indeed. Cody had a bigger role than he needed, I'll tell you that much. :-* That was definatley Bly though, because all the other clones moved after he did. And because, you know, it's fact.
Kevin
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It certainly seemed to be Bly and the other one with similar markings seemed to be his lieutenant, judging by their motions. It all occured so damn quick I barely had time to look.
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The newest issue of Insider has a photo of the visored, gold-chinned trooper captioned Commander Bly.
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The newest issue of Insider has a photo of the visored, gold-chinned trooper captioned Commander Bly.
Nicklab? Scott? Thank you very much!
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The newest issue of Insider has a photo of the visored, gold-chinned trooper captioned Commander Bly.
Nicklab? Scott? Thank you very much!
I don't either of us ever said he wasn't Commander Bly only that there was little to no information last week that said otherwise and what is out ther contradicts itself. AS I've already said three times, I think you are right
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Scott you're my boy!!
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Ooh, confirmation from the Insider! Someone just got OWNED. ;)
BTW, I laughed my @$$ off at the "lib contingent" jab. You guys are killin' me.
-DD
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I love this place. I really do. This thread is one of the many reasons why. :)
Kevin
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OWNED. So totally OWNED.
Yes, you were indeed.
:D
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OWNED. So totally OWNED.
Yes, you were indeed.
:D
BFD. What do you want, a medal? It's trivial things like this that illustrate what a ::) wonderful ::) human being you really are, LOL!
BTW, I don't recall a single line or name being uttered in the scenes on Felucia. It makes your personal little crusade to name every clone trooper that much more pointless.
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:'( <------ Nicklab after losing the debate.
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Nope. I was making an argument based on the info that was available. And it's still contradictory. Beyond that, I've just been making the observation that you are master of the pointless. Now GFY. ;D
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Dressle, how does it feel to be right all the time? :)
Kevin
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Dressle, how does it feel to be right all the time? :)
Kevin
It's a huge burden.
:D
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Now GFY. ;D
Get Free Yogurt?
;)
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Good Lord. Who cares? It appears we have our answer now, so how 'bout we all just let this one go finally...
Thanks.
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Yet another element adds to the confusion on this topic...
(http://images.darkhorse.com/common/salestools/previews/swonrep77/swonrep77p4.jpg)
This is in the new issue of Dark Horse's REPUBLIC title that is due out July 20th.
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*punches you in the arm for not posting spoiler warnings.*
Jerk. >:( Would you slap on some spoiler tags?
Kevin
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Spoilers for what?! What in that frame is a spoiler? Sheesh! ;D
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That comic was written long before ROTS was out, I'm assuming, so it's othing to worry about. Plus...It's EU. :)
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I'm a big EU fan, so I don't disregard it solely for that reason. But you know, it's not all that unusual to see some errors in the comic art. It happens.
Or if you don't buy that, just say he lost his helmet that day and borrowed one from one of his grunts. ;D
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Oh man....don't get me wrong...I love the EU, and that particular issue of Republic was fantastic IMO, but there are some things you just have to take with a grain of salt.
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Thanks to Jeff for the links:
(http://www.starwars.com/databank/character/commanderbly/img/eu_bg.jpg)
Commander Bly (http://www.starwars.com/databank/character/commanderbly/)
Hooray, it is decided!
Kevin
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Judging from the looks of Commander Thire, and from the fact that the clone in Bly's legion with the macrobinoculars is the only one shown like that, I'd say that we do know that, Scott.
Wut do u mean judging by the looks of Commander Thire? Commander Thire is a commander of shock troopers
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Judging from the looks of Commander Thire, and from the fact that the clone in Bly's legion with the macrobinoculars is the only one shown like that, I'd say that we do know that, Scott.
Wut do u mean judging by the looks of Commander Thire? Commander Thire is a commander of shock troopers
Yeah but the original rumor was that the commander #33 was "Commander Thire". People were just applying a spare commander name to that figure. But now the official site has said that the #33 figure was supposed to be Bly, but it was changed to yellow to better fit Felucia. Gentlemen, buy your yellow paint if you haven't already.
Nicklab, which one is Bly again? :-* Just clownin'. :-X
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Hasbro could just make everyone happy are rerelease the Red commander with yellow paint. Just a thought. It can't be to difficult. Eh, they will say get your own paint.
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Nicklab, which one is Bly again? :-* Just clownin'. :-X
Whatever dude. The reason for the back and forth on this was because there were too many bits of conflicting information from Lucasfilm floating around regarding the character. The Databank (http://www.starwars.com/databank/) is as close to canon as you're going to get and I'm content with that as a reasonable explanation.
The interesting thing that was revealed in the Commander Bly databank entry (http://www.starwars.com/databank/character/commanderbly/) was the Behind the scenes page (http://www.starwars.com/databank/character/commanderbly/?id=bts). It finally explained why the Official Site's Cargo Bay has the Clone Commander, figure #33, listed as Commander Bly (http://cargobay.starwars.com/webapps/cargobay/item-detail/17466) by posting this image:
(http://www.starwars.com/databank/character/commanderbly/img/bts_bg.jpg)
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Hasbro could just make everyone happy are rerelease the Red commander with yellow paint. Just a thought. It can't be to difficult. Eh, they will say get your own paint.
Could very easily happen, I agree. I think it very well might someday too. We all know Hasbro likes to get their mileage if they can... With the OTC format coming back, it's a possibility.
For the record, I did some editing so that the Replied to title of the thread didn't read as, "Re: Evolutions Assortment" anymore. That just was confusing.
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Hasbro could just make everyone happy are rerelease the Red commander with yellow paint. Just a thought. It can't be to difficult. Eh, they will say get your own paint.
Could very easily happen, I agree. I think it very well might someday too. We all know Hasbro likes to get their mileage if they can... With the OTC format coming back, it's a possibility.
Ummm isn't that happening with the Evolutions Clone set? They included a yellow Clone Commander to represent the ROTS era trooper.
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Ah, yeah, that's right. The one Clone is a Commander in yellow... I think.
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Not quite. I believe the ROTS gold clone is infantry from the same legion, not Commander Bly himself. The paint apps on the helmet are a little different.
However there is an AOTC-era gold commander in the set.
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isnt commander bly the yellow clone commander in the upcoming EVO??
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No. That's one of his infantry.
Bly will be a separate carded release.
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isnt commander bly the yellow clone commander in the upcoming EVO??
As you can see here, Commander Bly has yellow painted thigh armor and a yellow breath filter, whereas his grunts don't.
(http://www.starwars.com/databank/character/commanderbly/img/eu_bg.jpg)
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Now that the Insider has started shipping to subscribers (I'm hoping to find one next week on the newsstands myself), does the "Ultimate Clone Guide" actually clear up any of the confusion about who certain characters are, who was abandoned in the production process, etc? Or is it jam-packed of EU "Jango trained this guy for three days prior to his death on Geonosis and he went on to change tires on Turbo Tanks as Sgt. Lugnut" types of things?
I know someone here on the boards said that the red Clone Commander figure now has a name (Deviss), but I didn't know if it went into who exactly that Commander Fox guy (if that is the guy on Utapau with the weird helmet) is, if the Target Clones are actual grunts under Neyo on Saleucami, and if the Felucia Clone in the Evolutions 3 pack (who we've already established isn't Bly) is representative of all the grunts on Felucia (as in they all wear commander pauldrons and kamas) or are there also plain yellowish/goldish grunts on Felucia along the lines of the regular Utapau grunts (without the commander stuff).
Edited to clear up my wording and to state that I am not trying to start/perpetuate any arguments; I'm just genuinely curious to know who is who.
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I'll have to watch for that issue of the Insider at my local Grocery Store since they get several copies. I too have similiar questions as DP has. Who is Commander Deviss? I share a similiar question on the Target Clones, the Felucia Clone in the Evolutions set, and who is the green commander?