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Title: NBA 2004/05
Post by: JediMAC on November 3, 2004, 04:47 PM
OK, the new NBA season has officially started, and as such, I suppose it's time to finally move on from last year's thread and start anew.  So fire away with your picks, thoughts, and love for all things Kobe...   :P

I'll start out by saying I think the Lakers are going to still be pretty competitive this year, and are really going to surprise a lot of the naysayers who've been dumping on them and doubting them since Kobe forced out they got rid of Shaq and Phil.

We played surprisingly well in the Pre-season, going 5-2 I think, and got off to a pretty nice start against a highly overrated Nuggets team last night.  Kobe's been shooting like **** for the most part, so that's going to be a concern if he reverts back to not wanting to pass the ball.  But so far, he's been sharing it pretty well with his teammates, and to make up for his poor shooting %, he's been draining it from the line to the tune of about 12 per game (pre-season and last night).  So he's still getting his points, of course.  7 assists last night too, so that's a good sign.  But I'd guess he's coming out of the blocks on a slightly conservative level, so the national press doesn't dive down his throat for shooting it 30+ times per game.  And I'll add that without Shaq drawing the defense in, Kobe's definitely going to have a much harder time getting decent, open looks.  Gonna be seeing a lot more double and triple teams I'd imagine, so he better keep it up with the passing game he's been showing lately.  I'm definitely expecting a subpar shooting % from him this season though.   :-\

Thing of beauty to see little known Chris Mihm come in for Shaq, and toss down career highs of 24 points and 12 boards last night.  Sweet!  Even better if Shaq's injured, and can't make Miami's season opener tonight.  If that continues (as it has for the past 3 seasons when Shaq's missed 15 games in each), that'll make Jerry Buss look a little better for not wanting to pay top dollar for perenially damaged goods (as if he had a choice)...

Anyway, I predict the Lakers will be fighting for the #4 spot in the West (with Dallas and Houston), and home court advantage in the first round of the playoffs.  I think the Spurs, Wolves and Kings should take the top 3 spots though.  I'll toss the rest of my picks in here later.

So what's the NBA vibe everyone else is feeling?
Title: Re: NBA 2004/05
Post by: Jeff on November 3, 2004, 04:58 PM
(http://www.nba.com/media/timberwolves/garnett_mvptrophy_254_04050.jpg)

I smell a repeat for KG.  :)

Oh, and a Championship too...


Western Conference Finals:
Wolves over Spurs (6 games)

Eastern Conference Finals:
Pacers over Pistons (7 games)

NBA Finals:
Wolves over Pacers (6 games)

 ;D
Title: Re: NBA 2004/05
Post by: Scott on November 3, 2004, 05:00 PM
Top 4 in the West:

#1 Spurs
#2 Wolves
#3 Kings
#4 Mavs :-\
#5 Rockets
#6 Lakers
#7 Nuggets
#8 Jazz

East:

#1 Pistons
#2 Pacers
#3 Heat
#4 Who Cares

West Wolves Over Spurs
East Heat over Pistons
Finals Wolves over Shaq-Fu (finally!)

Not sold on the Rockets or the Nuggets either yet, I definitely think those two with the Lakers and Jazz in the West.  And its harder than hell to leave out the Grizz and Suns and Blazers.  

The East again is highly inferior to the West.  The Pistons more than showed the top two-three can hang with the West but the other teams suck ass

I like the Wolves chances with both the Pistons and Spurs and all three are equals IMO as far as chances of winning the whole enchilada this year.  Not happy with the Sprewell situation at all but their depth and starting 5 and KG make them a favorite.  Spurs are a better team IMO and they get the nod.  Barring injuries of course

(http://unlimited.nba.free.fr/garnett.jpg)

Ahem...

Aaaaaaaaaawoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
Title: Re: NBA 2004/05
Post by: JediMAC on November 3, 2004, 05:02 PM
(http://www.nba.com/media/timberwolves/garnett_mvptrophy_254_04050.jpg)

Could someone please photoshop Kobe's mug onto this shot.  That way we'll have a much more accurate picture of this year's real MVP...   8)
Title: Re: NBA 2004/05
Post by: JediMAC on November 3, 2004, 05:26 PM
Alright, here's some quick picks here:

West:

1. Spurs
2. Wolves
3. Kings
4. Lakers
5. Mavericks
6. Rockets
7. Suns
8. Blazers/Jazz/Nuggets/Grizzlies   :P

East:

1. Pistons
2. Pacers
3. Heat  ::)
3.5  I'm with Scott, after this, who cares?
4. Cavs
5. Nets
6. Knicks
7. 76'ers
8. Hornets

Realistically:
Spurs over Wolves
Pistons over Pacers

Spurs over Pistons

In my world:
Lakers over Spurs
Pistons over Pacers

Lakers over Pistons   8)

Additional notes:

I think all the bull**** contract squabbling in Minnesota is really going to ruin what could've been a great thing.  Two of their top three are being whiny little bitches, and are just going to create a bad vibe up there this season, I think.  That's unfortunate, 'cause I think they were ready to finally take that next step.

I'm surprised at how much everyone's been downplaying the Kings this year.  Sure, they'll screw things up in the middle of the playoffs, as always, but I think they'll definitely still be one of the top 5 teams in the league this year.  Aside from ditching Vlade, it's pretty much the same crew up there, which is still a formidable lineup.  I guess it kinda depends on Peja's mood, and how "into it" he's going to be, since he wants out.  But with Bibby, Webber, Miller, et al, they're still solid, if not mental.

I think Denver's probably the most overrated team in the league right now.  I think they overachieved last year, and yeah, they "bettered" themselves by adding Kenyon, but I just don't see them doing anything better than .500 this year, and probably missing the playoffs this time too.

Houston will be interesting to watch.  On the off chance that T-Mac and Yao can bond and blend well, they'll be tough with that 1-2 punch.  But I think it'll take a little while for that to happen.  Probably not this year.  But they'll be in the middle of the Western pack, fighting for homecourt at the 4 spot.

I'm praying that Miami fails miserably, though in the week East, I'm sure they'll have a pretty solid year, barring further injuries to Shaq.  If he goes down for any extended periods of time though, they'll be in trouble since they don't have much else left in the tank after Duane Wade and Eddie Jones.  Shaq's still a total bitch for FINALLY deciding after all these years that he's motivated enough to drop a TON of weight and get his fat, lazy ass into decent game playing shape again.  And he says no one ever asked him to do that in L.A., which is why he never did.  Yeah, sure.  Right.  Stupid fat ****.   ::)

Christmas day is going to be pretty freakin' crazy here in SoCal this year, that's for sure!
Title: Re: NBA 2004/05
Post by: jjks on November 3, 2004, 05:53 PM
I was going to post in this thread, but realized it wasn't an official General Windu Sports Thread, so I'm afraid I can't give it my blessings.

That said, go Grizzlies!
Title: Re: NBA 2004/05
Post by: JediMAC on November 3, 2004, 06:10 PM
I was going to post in this thread, but realized it wasn't an official General Windu Sports Thread...

Heh.  He actually stopped by here a few days ago and started up a new account posing as Force_Guy.  Of course, we wiped out all of his posts, so it was a fairly fruitless effort.  What's wierd is that there wasn't even an Official thread amongst the bunch.

That said, I don't expect to see your Grizzlies overachieve quite as much as they managed last year.  I think they're gonna have one helluva battle on their hands for that last playoff berth.  But regardless of whether they make it or not, at least you've still got White Chocolate, so that's a good thing!   8)  Too bad he's not nearly as exciting as when he used to run free in Sacto.  Better all-around player now, but not nearly as flashy...
Title: Re: NBA 2004/05
Post by: Morgbug on November 4, 2004, 12:09 AM
This is going to be a difficult year for me :'(  I *choke* almost have to support rapist Kobe thanks to him being on my fantasy team.  From that standpoint, I do hope he performs well all year to silence his critics.  But I gotta tell ya, I have more than a little fear that the petulant little baby is going to come out at just the wrong times.  I'm loaded up with shooting guards right now, so it won't kill me anyway. 

I'm cheering for the pups.  Celtics remain in my heart, but geez guys, Len Bias was what? 15 years ago or so?  Get over it and get back to it.   ::)  I'm gonna start a bring back Red Auerbach campaign.  Yeah, the team will end up being mostly white, but they might make the second round of the playoffs.  Not sure how, but they might.
Title: Re: NBA 2004/05
Post by: Jeff on November 4, 2004, 12:21 AM
So far, so good...

Wolves 99, Knicks 93

 ;D

Also nice that my Fantasy Point Guard had 19pts, 11 assists :)

Jeff
Title: Re: NBA 2004/05
Post by: JediMAC on November 4, 2004, 01:41 AM
Alright, here's some quick picks here:

West:

1. Spurs
2. Wolves
3. Kings
4. Lakers
5. Mavericks
6. Rockets
7. Suns
8. Blazers/Jazz/Nuggets/Grizzlies   :P

Uh...  I think I'd like to revise my list here real quick:

1. Jazz
2. Clippers
3. Spurs
4. Wolves
5. Kings
6. Mavericks
7. Rockets
8. Suns

Yeah, that should do it.   :-\

P.S.  You guys catch Kobe's SICK reverse dunk in the highlights tonight?  Damn.  :o  Went for 38, but got zero help from the rest of the gang.  Probably more like what folks were expecting from our supporting cast...
Title: Re: NBA 2004/05
Post by: Brian on November 4, 2004, 09:23 AM
Kobe's dunk...nice.  Not a fan, but the guy can play some hoop.  Along the same lines, anyone see Stevie Franchise's facials in the game last night?  Again, not a big fan, but he has got some ups.  Glad to see the Wolves open with a win, with KG being, well....KG.  I sure hope that Sprewell and Cassell aren't problems this year with their contract situations, hopefully they will at least play it out.  I'm not real high on Sprewell after his "feed my family" and "why should I help them win a title?" comments regarding his contract dispute.  I would think a real player would want to win a title himself too ::).  It does sound like he intends to play "hard" regardless of when it gets resolved.  I hope that holds true.

Glad to see the NBA season back in full swing.  It seems like the offseason flew by this year, probably partly due to the free agent frenzy and Olympic hoopage.  That Christmas day matchup will certainly be interesting.  How quickly you turn on your big fella Matty.  But then again, got to stick with your team.  Although they are both quite immature with that whole "relationship" situation, I do feel that Shaq (to me) comes out as more of the "good guy".  It seems like there are a whole lot more people coming out with the same type of comments about Kobe than do about Shaq.  It will be nice seeing Kobe finally have his "own" team, and we'll see how he does without the Diesel in the middle.  I fully expect him to lead the league in scoring, or come close, and probably shoot a low 40% in the process.  Also, another note from late night, nice to see Grant Hill play well.  I hope that he can stay healthy this season, the guy deserves it once.

Predictions....hmmmm...I'll give it a try:

West
1. San Antonio
2. Minnesota
3. Sacramento
4. Dallas
5. Utah
6. Houston
7. Los Angeles Lakers
8. Phoenix/Denver/Memphis

The bottom of the West is tough to shake out.  I think that the Lakers, Grizzlies, Nuggets and Suns will all be hanging around.  I'm actually not sold on Houston yet, but they'll probably eventually get it together and end up in the 5-7 seed range.  Denver could be tough if things pull together.  I think Utah looks good, maybe 5 is too high, but we'll see.  After last night it certainly looks possible, but its just one game.  Memphis might have a tough time repeating their success from last season.  Lakers will still be competitive, but that bottom part of the West will be tough.

East
1. Detroit
2. Indiana
3. Miami
4. Cleveland
5. Orlando
6. Boston
7. Philadelphia
8. Knicks/Wizards

The East really doesn't matter much after the top 3, unfortunately.  Hard to place Cleveland at 4, but I just don't know who is better.  4-8 is basically a crap-shoot.  I think Orlando will be better than people think, they really do have a good group of players if they play well together and if G. Hill stays healthy, that is just a bonus.  Miami isn't very deep, but if Shaq stays healthy (as well as D. Wade), they might not need to be in the East.  Could be a nice battle between the top 3 in the East.

Eastern Conference Finals:

Pistons over Heat

Western Conference Finals:

Wolves over Spurs

Finals:

Wolves over Pistons
Title: Re: NBA 2004/05
Post by: Morgbug on November 4, 2004, 11:20 AM
  Went for 38, but got zero help from the rest of the gang.  Probably more like what folks were expecting from our supporting cast...
That's my boy.  If he wants to carry two teams, it's fine by me. :D
Title: Re: NBA 2004/05
Post by: SPIDERLEGS on November 4, 2004, 12:54 PM
The new and formidable Mavs lineup is 2-0, yo! They had 6 players score double figures last night!

Go MAVS!
Title: Re: NBA 2004/05
Post by: aka DaBigKahuna on November 4, 2004, 03:17 PM
Colman,

What made you drop my team (Suns) to eight >:(? 

For that the Lakers are doomed ;D to a sixth place knocked out in the first round pf the playoffs year!

DBK

Alright, here's some quick picks here:

West:

1. Spurs
2. Wolves
3. Kings
4. Lakers
5. Mavericks
6. Rockets
7. Suns
8. Blazers/Jazz/Nuggets/Grizzlies   :P

Uh...  I think I'd like to revise my list here real quick:

1. Jazz
2. Clippers
3. Spurs
4. Wolves
5. Kings
6. Mavericks
7. Rockets
8. Suns

Yeah, that should do it.   :-\

P.S.  You guys catch Kobe's SICK reverse dunk in the highlights tonight?  Damn.  :o  Went for 38, but got zero help from the rest of the gang.  Probably more like what folks were expecting from our supporting cast...
Title: Re: NBA 2004/05
Post by: JediMAC on November 4, 2004, 03:27 PM
Colman,

What made you drop my team (Suns) to eight >:(? 

Uh...  Perhaps you failed to notice the shift in the rest of my picks, after last night's games...   :P
Title: Re: NBA 2004/05
Post by: aka DaBigKahuna on November 4, 2004, 03:50 PM
Perhaps, perhaps not.  So are you going to change your pics every day?

Just giving you a hard time Colman.

DBK

Colman,

What made you drop my team (Suns) to eight >:(? 

Uh...  Perhaps you failed to notice the shift in the rest of my picks, after last night's games...   :P
Title: Re: NBA 2004/05
Post by: SPIDERLEGS on November 4, 2004, 06:15 PM
The Mavericks will have a better record than the Lakers this season. The bottom fell out of the Lakers when Shaq and Phil Jackson left. Kobe can't carry that whole team. Kobe also gets injured quite often. The Lakers will finish no better than 7th this season.
Title: Re: NBA 2004/05
Post by: JediMAC on November 5, 2004, 01:45 AM
So the Lakers spanked the crap outta the Nuggets two nights ago, and then the Nuggets go and beat the Pups tonight.

Hmm...  What does that mean?   8)


 :P


Stupid Shaq got another win too.   >:(
Title: Re: NBA 2004/05
Post by: Scott on November 5, 2004, 09:55 AM
Home versus Road is all that means :)
Title: Re: NBA 2004/05
Post by: JediMAC on November 8, 2004, 04:21 PM
And another perfect example:

Clips beat the Sonics by 30 on opening night, and then the Sonics turn around and b-slap the Spurs.  Go figure...   ::)

Good news is, my Lakers got back into form last night against the pathetic Hawks.  Squared up at 2-2.  Now if only Shaq and Miami would lose, I'd be feeling better about things...

Can't believe Sacto's off to a sorry 0-3 start either.  Queens...   :P

Most surprising team so far:  Toronto, at 3-0, with wins over Detroit and Houston already.  And to think, Vince wanted out of town...
Title: Re: NBA 2004/05
Post by: SPIDERLEGS on November 10, 2004, 01:15 PM
The Mavs had to send Finley back to Dallas with a 2nd degree ankle sprain. That SUCKS! But, we're 4-1 after losing our first game last night.
Title: Re: NBA 2004/05
Post by: JediMAC on November 11, 2004, 05:24 AM
Man, my Lakers got slapped around somethin' fierce tonight by the lowly and previously winless Memphis Grizzlies.  Kobe couldn't hit the broad side of a barn tonight, shooting 4 for 20, with some seriously nasty airballs the likes of which I haven't seen from him since the Utah playoff series his rookie year.  No idea WTF's up with him right now.  Many of these are wide open looks too.

On the flipside, the surprising Clippers went into Indy and smacked the Pacers by 34!   :o  Good God, what's going on in the NBA this year?!?

And two more unbeatens fell tonight as well:  Utah (to Toronto) and Phoenix (to Cleveland).  That just leaves Miami now...  Bloody brilliant.   ::)
Title: Re: NBA 2004/05
Post by: Scott on November 11, 2004, 09:42 AM
Wolves have lost both of their games by a total of 3 points, made a fierce comeback against the Pacers two nights ago

Not too worried, still early and they look pretty good, especially with healthy Wally and healthy Hudson
Title: Re: NBA 2004/05
Post by: SPIDERLEGS on November 12, 2004, 10:49 AM
And the Mavs WHOOPED up on the Shaq-led Heat without Michael Finley.

Man, I hope the wheels can stay on for another 106 games (counting possible playoff games if all go to 7).
Title: Re: NBA 2004/05
Post by: JediMAC on November 12, 2004, 09:38 PM
And the Mavs WHOOPED up on the Shaq-led Heat without Michael Finley.

A thing of beauty that was!  Thank God Miami's not gonna keep going on as the last undefeated team in the league for any length of time!   8)

On a separate, and ******, note - it looks like I'm going to have to concede that my Lakers do indeed suck this year.  Stupid dumbasses...   >:(
Title: Re: NBA 2004/05
Post by: SPIDERLEGS on November 13, 2004, 06:00 PM
The Mavs are 6-1 after dispatching the Nets this afternoon.
Title: Re: NBA 2004/05
Post by: Dressel Rebel on November 13, 2004, 06:03 PM
On paper right now, I think the Spurs have the best chance of winning the championship this year, with the defending Pistons 2nd on my list.  The Spurs have Duncan, Parker, Ginobili, and Barry, which is probably the best talent on any one team right now.
Title: Re: NBA 2004/05
Post by: Scott on November 13, 2004, 11:19 PM
If Parker or Ginobli or Barry get hurt though they are in trouble.  That's the beauty of the Wolves, their bench is soooo deep that guys like Hudson and Trenton Hassell could fill in for any of the starters.  Cassell/Spree/Wally/KG is better than the Spurs 4 too IMO, Rasho is better than Kandi-Man so in the end its almost a push.  The edge the Spurs have is the Wolves don't match up well with them
Title: Re: NBA 2004/05
Post by: JediMAC on November 20, 2004, 01:16 AM
Holy ****!  You guys see the fight in the Pistons/Pacers game tonight?!   :o  Most networks are calling it possibly the worst sports fight of alltime here in the U.S.  Artest, O'neal, and Stephen Jackson against all the Detroit fans, with some crazy haymakers getting landed by the Pacers players.  Like square on the jaw of Detroit fans...

I think Artest is probably going to get suspended for the remainder of the season...  Good stuff.  The Pacers can kiss their top record in the East goodbye.  Probably for the rest of the year.  Of course, that means it's Miami's for the taking...   >:(

Lakers fell apart tonight, after getting out to a 17 point lead against the Suns, despite Kobe's 10th career Triple Double.  ****.
Title: Re: NBA 2004/05
Post by: Scott on November 20, 2004, 01:37 AM
******* A, the Pistons should be forced to play the rest of their games on the road.  That IS the worst thing I have ever seen a sporting event. 

There is no excuse for any of what went down, Wallace had no right to shove Artest.  The dude in the stands should not have thrown **** at Artest and then Artest like an idiot goes after him

It could have gotten ugly, like players killed, what the **** were the cops and security doing?  They deserve as much blame as anyone else, as soon as that drink gets thrown on the court they should have been all over that dude

Then the people coming on the floor from the crowd?  How the **** does that happen?
Title: Re: NBA 2004/05
Post by: JediMAC on November 20, 2004, 01:53 AM
As bad as all the fans were, I think Artest should be suspended for the remainder of the season.  He's a ******* psychopath.  I think Jermaine O'neal should be put in jail for assault, for that horrendous cheap shot on the fan who was just picking himself up from the floor.  I think Stephen Jackson should get at least 10 games.  I think Ben Wallace should get 2-3 for the shove to Artest's neck.  And I think some of the fans should get tossed in the pen for their contributions as well.

But those 3 Pacers players, man...  Unbelievable.  No control.  It's a freakin' beer in your face.  We used to throw drinks at eachother all the time in school.  Big deal.  It's not the end of the world...

Pacers can definitely kiss their regular season goodbye though, or at least home court advantage in the playoffs, probably.
Title: Re: NBA 2004/05
Post by: Dressel Rebel on November 20, 2004, 02:20 PM
Alright, when can we expect some suspensions?  I'm expecting Artest and Stephen Jackson to get at least 10 games a piece, and Ben Wallace anywhere from 2-5 games.   I'm sure Jermaine O'Neal and some other random players throwing punches will sit a couple on the pine too.  Artest and Jackson in particular might get something stiffer than 10 games, possibly the season off.  Artest punched that fan in the face right on the court and dropped him, then Jermaine O'Neal punched a fan too right in that area.

Ugliest sports game ever IMO.  Can't wait for the rulings.
Title: Re: NBA 2004/05
Post by: Dressel Rebel on November 20, 2004, 02:39 PM
Nice, this just in:

 
NBA indefinitely suspends Artest, O'Neal, Jackson, Wallace
 

November 20, 2004
NEW YORK (AP) -- The NBA suspended Ron Artest, Jermaine O'Neal and Stephen Jackson of Indiana and Ben Wallace of Detroit on Saturday for taking part in one of the ugliest brawls in U.S. sports history.

The suspensions were indefinite, and the league was still investigating Friday night's melee, which commissioner David Stern called ``shocking, repulsive and inexcusable -- a humiliation for everyone associated with the NBA.''

The league issued a statement saying it was reviewing rules and security procedures ``so that fans can continue to attend our games unthreatened by events such as the ones that occurred last night.''
 
 
Title: Re: NBA 2004/05
Post by: Holographic Elvis on November 20, 2004, 02:40 PM
Well, I never condone a fan throwing anything at a player, but I also do not condone a player leaving the playing surface to engage a fan.  

Wallace overreacted to a semi-hard foul.  I think it was more frustration at losing than anything.  He'll get suspended for sure.  The fans definitely crossed the line, but Artest jumping into the stands was the explosion that made all hell break loose.  

The fans that ran onto the court undoubtably had dollars signs in their eyes.  Did anyone see the video of the elderly person at the bottom of the pile during a fight?  You think that person or their family isn't going to sue someone?  There are going to be A LOT of lawsuits out of this.

I also wouldn't be surprised to see the NBA set up barriers now to prevent fans from being so close to the action.  
Title: Re: NBA 2004/05
Post by: Morgbug on November 20, 2004, 11:15 PM
I'm thinking this is going to make the game look like hockey.  Boards and glass, all around.  Covered walkways, the whole nine yards.  Also agree about lawsuits, no way it won't happen.

Still haven't seen the video. 
Title: Pistons-Pacers-fans brawl
Post by: Vote for Chewbacca the Wookiee on November 20, 2004, 11:18 PM
Anyone see this? I flipped over just as the game was being called, but stayed up through the 2 a.m. Sportscenter to watch the coverage.
Title: Re: NBA 2004/05
Post by: DSJ™ on November 20, 2004, 11:59 PM
Just merged your topic here as its already being talked about.  ;)

For those who have not seen the footage, here ya go:

I watched a Basketball game & a Hockey game broke out! (http://mfile.akamai.com/12942/wmv/vod.ibsys.com/2004/1120/3935750.200k.asx)
Title: Re: NBA 2004/05
Post by: Famine on November 21, 2004, 01:02 AM
Classic line Dale.

So great.

Kevin
Title: Re: NBA 2004/05
Post by: JesseVader08 on November 21, 2004, 01:09 AM
Now, I don't normally watch the NBA, so I'm a little ignorant about how many games are actually left in the season.  But these guys have got to be suspended for way more than 10 games!  How about a whole season?  Maybe that'll get these tough guys to realize that you can't just attack fans in the stands, no matter how stupid they're being.  Yeah, I don't know how I'd react if I had a beer thrown at me, but losing control like that is not cool.  At all.
Title: Re: NBA 2004/05
Post by: Dressel Rebel on November 21, 2004, 03:46 PM
The suspensions have been handed out:

Ron Artest - 30 games
Stephen Jackson -  20 games
Jermaine O'Neal - 20 games
Ben Wallace - 5 games
Title: Re: JediDefender Fantasy Basketball
Post by: Dressel Rebel on November 21, 2004, 03:47 PM
The suspensions have been handed out:

Ron Artest - 30 games
Stephen Jackson -  20 games
Jermaine O'Neal - 20 games
Ben Wallace - 5 games
Title: Re: JediDefender Fantasy Basketball
Post by: Rob on November 21, 2004, 04:59 PM
Now Artest will have plenty of time to promote his rap album.

Good for him.
Title: Re: JediDefender Fantasy Basketball
Post by: Dressel Rebel on November 21, 2004, 05:13 PM
Now Artest will have plenty of time to promote his rap album.

Good for him.

He's finally getting that month off he wanted.
Title: Re: JediDefender Fantasy Basketball
Post by: chuckles on November 21, 2004, 06:47 PM
Where did you read your info on the suspensions? Yahoo.com is reporting that Artest is suspended for the rest of the year, Jackson for 30 games, O'Neal for 25 and Wallace for 5.
Title: Re: NBA 2004/05
Post by: JediMAC on November 21, 2004, 07:47 PM
Glad to see these were just early/preliminary numbers from the AP, and that the final verdict was even more stiff.  Just watched Commissioner Stern's press conference:

Artest:  See ya' in 2005/06.  Suspended the rest of the season (73 games)

Stephen Jackson - 30 games

Jermaine O'Neal - 25 games

Ben Wallace - 6 games (too harsh, should be 2-3 games only)

Other random Pacers guard - 5 games

Several other minor suspensions for leaving the bench - 1 game each (Billups, Campbell, Coleman, R. Miller)

And the great thing is that these suspensions aren't even staggered.  Pacers may not even make the playoffs this season now, when they could've/should've had the #1 seed in the East.  They'll probably still squeek in there, since it's the weakass East though.  Devastating.  Totally changes the landscape of the East now.  Just Miama vs. Detroit now.  Boring.

I'm sure the fans are gonna get their cummupins too, but it sounds like they're still working that out.  I say at least take away their season tickets and/or ban them from attending games for a year.

I'd still love to see someone stick it to Jermaine with a serious lawsuit.  Jail time would be icing on the cake.  Apparently, beyond the one wild haymaker he connected on (with the running start) that we all saw, a cop said he saw O'Neal lay someone out in the tunnel too (off camera).
Title: Re: NBA 2004/05
Post by: Holographic Elvis on November 21, 2004, 08:01 PM
Artest done for the year.  Called that one, but no surprise really.  Stern had to.
Title: Re: NBA 2004/05
Post by: Dressel Rebel on November 21, 2004, 08:32 PM
(http://espn-att.starwave.com/media/nba/2004/1121/photo/g_artest2_skirm.jpg)
Title: Re: JediDefender Fantasy Basketball
Post by: Dressel Rebel on November 21, 2004, 08:33 PM
Where did you read your info on the suspensions? Yahoo.com is reporting that Artest is suspended for the rest of the year, Jackson for 30 games, O'Neal for 25 and Wallace for 5.

That was the early report on Fox News.  Your info is correct.

Title: Re: JediDefender Fantasy Basketball
Post by: Morgbug on November 21, 2004, 09:16 PM
Moved my post over to the NBA thread.
Title: Re: NBA 2004/05
Post by: Morgbug on November 21, 2004, 09:18 PM
Also finally saw the video.  Thank goodness basketball players fight like girls (no offense) or it could have been much, much worse.  Artest landed a good shot on the fan but it could have been so very much worse, had he actually known how to throw a punch.  And did I see O'neal fall (stumble/slip) while throwing that punch on the floor? 

Not overly impressed with the fans in Detroit though either.  I didn't see how it began but one, stay off the floor; two, don't dump all your **** on the players as they leave the floor.  Utterly classless, no matter how mad you may be.  If indeed the players end up faced with litigation, I think it only fair that they in turn sue the fans that dumped **** on them.  You never know what's in there, it could be dangerous to the players.  I'm saying it facetiously, but a lawyer could take that and run.

Edit: Watched Dale's link.  Artest can throw a punch :o  The video I saw earlier is a little different angle and has a bit more of the fighting in it.  Still not clear what precipitated Artest and Jackson going into the stands though ???  Artest was acting like a clown on the scorers table, but suddenly he's in the stands throwing punches?  WHy?
Title: Re: NBA 2004/05
Post by: chuckles on November 21, 2004, 09:34 PM
From what I could tell, while Artest was laying on the scorers table, a full cup of beer landed right on his chest and that's when he got up and went after the guy he must have thought threw it at him.
Title: Re: NBA 2004/05
Post by: Morgbug on November 21, 2004, 09:53 PM
Hmm.  I can understand being pissed off, but that's just plain stupid ::)  Never mind the fact that it's only beer and an idiot fan that surely would have been turfed for life had they been caught, but walking into an opposing teams crowd where realistically someone could have been armed, either knife or gun.  But would that matter?  Gee, Indiana jersey amongst 20+ Detroit fans.  Gotta like them odds. 

I can see why Jackson followed him in though, probably thinking exactly like that.  Oh ****, Ron's going to get killed in there.  Literally. 

Next edit.  Saw it again, different source.  Yup, a beer or pop right smack in the chest.  Gonna play contrarian here.  The fan was goading Artest afterwards and got what he deserved.  Jackson did go into the stands to protect Artest.  Doesn't justify their actions at all, but I sure hope the fans get theirs too.
Title: Re: NBA 2004/05
Post by: Brian on November 22, 2004, 09:05 AM
Crazy, crazy stuff.  After catching the game on Friday, and the highlights all weekend long...I still can't believe it.  I'll preface this by saying I'm not a fan of the Pacers, nor Jermaine O'Neal, Ron Artest, or Stephen Jackson.  That said, although I think their actions were quite inappropriate, and they did deserve suspensions (although the entire season for Artest might have been a bit steep)...a few things are being lost in this whole incident.  First off:

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Not overly impressed with the fans in Detroit though either.  I didn't see how it began but one, stay off the floor; two, don't dump all your **** on the players as they leave the floor.  Utterly classless, no matter how mad you may be.  If indeed the players end up faced with litigation, I think it only fair that they in turn sue the fans that dumped **** on them.  You never know what's in there, it could be dangerous to the players.  I'm saying it facetiously, but a lawyer could take that and run.

I couldn't agree more on this.  The more times I see the replays of this the angrier I get at Detroits fans.  Their actions at this game (taunting, throwing, and dumping stuff on players...getting involved physically in any way) was totally bush league stuff.  Ridiculous.  Just thinking about this, these are grown men, our ages, and they don't have more sense than this to throw their food and drink on other grown men.  When you really think about what they are doing, how crazy is that?  I know many will say the same things about the players, but for anyone who has either been involved in a fight, or in a tightly contested sports rivalry knows that there is a big difference between being highly emotional and involved in the actual game/fight, and from being a spectator that just happens to be in the same building.  Those fans weren't even on the same side really (as the fights), and just happened to be by the tunnel where they escorted the players out, and they dump a bunch of crap on them.  Totally classless.  And also, for any of the fans that came out on the floor to confront the players, as far as I'm concerned, they got what they deserved.  Once you come down there, you're fair game I think.  I don't know what that one fan who came down to "step up" to Artest after the initial melee thought he was going to do.  That guy deserved a punch in the chops as far as I'm concerned.

Also forgotten in all of this...although the Pacers going in the stands is not right, none of this would have happened if "Big" Ben Wallace wouldn't have over reacted to a fairly harmless foul in a game in which they were getting their asses kicked anyways.  If he wouldn't have shoved Ron (who did walk away, surprisingly by the way), none of this would have ever happened.  He gets six games, while the Pacers basically lose their season.  His action was much less severe than what the Indiana players did, but it did spring the whole thing.

Like I said, I'm not a Pacers fan at all, quite the opposite actually...but to me the Detroit fans are just as much to blame in this whole thing.  I've heard a lot of people place blame on the players solely, which is a bit unfair.  Yes, they are overpaid millionaires, but that really has nothing to do with this.  I just know from past experience, if you are in a game like this, heated rivarly, and put on top of it that you just had an (almost) fight...if someone threw a beer in my face, I don't know that I would have reacted any differently.  On a side note, I'm pretty sure Ron Ron went after the wrong person in the stands, which is too bad I guess too.  To be honest, the more you watch the "drink throwing" replay, keep an eye on the woman in the Chauncey Billups jersey.  I am about 90% certain she is the one who hit him with the drink.  Her hand is extended in a "post throw" position, and she also has a sort of "that's right" attitude look on her face when you first see Artest get up from scorer's table.  Either way, I'm pretty sure he went after the wrong person.  Funny to see all the fans in front of that guy part like the red sea once they saw Artest coming.

Anyways, this got way longer than it needed to be, but it has just started to bother me the way so many people aren't disgusted with the Detroit fans' behavior.  Another example was when the melee was going on in the stands and a Pacers' player (Freddie Jones, No. 20) was up there trying to break things up, never threw a single punch, and wasn't suspended as far as I know was attacked from behind by another Detroit fan.  Ridiculous.  I sure hope that the fans found responsible are punished in some way as well.  Definitely a terrible act overall by fans, players, and security.  Seeing the images of a father consoling his two boys (with tears in their eyes) after this went on, really upset me as well.  All these grown men (and maybe some women as far as throwing things) acting like 7 year olds fighting at recess.  Ridiculous.
Title: Re: NBA 2004/05
Post by: Scott on November 22, 2004, 09:36 AM
I'm with Brian on this, Artest deserves to get the book thrown at them but the rest of the players were either

A: Trying to get him out of the stand and were being pummeled by thugs in the stands
B: Beating "fans" who ran out on the court who could have had a knife or a gun or something else on them

I don't think O'neal or Jackson deserve the suspensions they got and Wallace should have gotten 3-4 games not 6.  Artest is a toss up I can see him getting the rest of the year, he was an idiot for doing what he did and did much harm to what is left of the NBA's image

But the fans are more to blame for most of this, if the Detroit prosecuters don't press charges against all of those people involved too I'll be  PO'd
Title: Re: NBA 2004/05
Post by: Darth Kenobi on November 22, 2004, 11:17 PM
I'm with Brian on this, Artest deserves to get the book thrown at them but the rest of the players were either

A: Trying to get him out of the stand and were being pummeled by thugs in the stands
B: Beating "fans" who ran out on the court who could have had a knife or a gun or something else on them

I don't think O'neal or Jackson deserve the suspensions they got and Wallace should have gotten 3-4 games not 6.  Artest is a toss up I can see him getting the rest of the year, he was an idiot for doing what he did and did much harm to what is left of the NBA's image

But the fans are more to blame for most of this, if the Detroit prosecuters don't press charges against all of those people involved too I'll be  PO'd

I don't really watch alot of basketball but have seen this incedent all weekend long and through the link in this thread.  I'm glad Artest got what he got, my feelings are that no matter what you as a player shouldn't go into the crowd weather or not they threw something at you.  Tell a offical or an asher to get that person out of the arena.    The other players who went up in the crowd I have mix feelings on too since they went in the crowd but they may of been trying to get they teammate out of there like you said Scott. 
The clowns who went on the floor to pick a fight with the players should be denied the right to sue the players, NBA, other people, since they are just looking to make money in all chance.  THese idiots should be banned from every going to an NBA game again.   
I also heard that the DA knows the guy who threw the cup, (not the guy Artest beat up, who was just an innocent bystander=$$$) from his past.  So hopefully he gets charged as will as all the people/players who where fighting, especially the idiot who threw the chair.
Title: Re: NBA 2004/05
Post by: JediMAC on November 24, 2004, 12:22 AM
The Lakers finally moved one step closer to getting their regular lineup together, with the long-awaited return of VLADE tonight!  One of our favorite sons has returned home...   8)

Pretty weird to think that he's the guy who we actually traded to the Hornets 8 years ago to get Kobe.  Plus, he's now had to come in and fill the shoes of both Kareem Abdul-Jabbar AND Shaq.  Two of the alltime greatest centers...

With the recent activation of Slava Medvedenko, all we've gotta do is get Devean George's butt healthy, and we'll finally be at 100% for the first time this year.  Hopefully that helps, though our woes have mostly been on the defensive end thus far, and neither of these guys are gonna help in that respect a whole lot.  Guess we're just gonna have to outgun everbody now!

On the Artest matter, anyone catch him pimping his CD on the Today Show this morning?  Hardly regretful of the whole situation last week.  Mostly just making up excuses and saying he's getting the shaft with his suspension.  No apology.  No nuthin'.  What a dumbass...   ::)
Title: Re: NBA 2004/05
Post by: Snively Bandar on November 24, 2004, 02:52 AM
What's with Shaq going 5-8 shooting for the Heat tonight, while his no-name teammate Haslem somethingrather goes 3-17?  That's a little odd, especially with Miami taking the loss to a rather pathetic Blazers squad.

The Wolves got knocked around by upstart Seattle tonight too.  What's with the Sonics this year?  Someone needs to tell them that they're supposed to suck, because I don't think they've gotten that message yet!
Title: Re: NBA 2004/05
Post by: JediMAC on November 27, 2004, 12:08 AM
The T-Wolves are really good this year.   ::)


That's all I wanted to say.  But hey, at least they managed to beat the Bobcats tonight...   :-\


Strange, how quiet those wusses from MN get when their team sucks donkey balls... 
Title: Re: NBA 2004/05
Post by: Scott on November 27, 2004, 12:10 AM
They beat the Griz you drunk bastard...and they are better than your sorry ass team ::)
Title: Re: NBA 2004/05
Post by: JediMAC on November 27, 2004, 12:13 AM
Same thing.  They still suck either way...

Can't beat the Pacers, who have what - like 6 players left on their roster?  Nice.  Great team you've got there.  Lots of heart.  Way to let two contract squabbles and one big fat drunk dumbass ruin what should've been a serious Title drive.

Speaking of which, you guys still happy with the addition of Olowakandi out there?  Yeah, he's REAL good...  Especially when he's locked up in the clink...   :P 
Title: Re: NBA 2004/05
Post by: Scott on November 27, 2004, 12:38 AM
Should you be talking about players and their legal troubles?  You cheer for an admitted at best adulterer at worst Rapist.
Title: Re: NBA 2004/05
Post by: Scott on November 29, 2004, 09:46 AM
Woofies spanked the Kings last night, spanked them hard too.  Aaaaaaaaaawooooooooooooooooo :)
Title: Re: NBA 2004/05
Post by: Morgbug on November 29, 2004, 10:10 AM
Same thing.  They still suck either way...

Can't beat the Pacers, who have what - like 6 players left on their roster?  Nice.  Great team you've got there.  Lots of heart.  Way to let two contract squabbles and one big fat drunk dumbass ruin what should've been a serious Title drive.



Boy, this looks familiar.  I wonder if the Pups will turn it on at the end of the year, in spite of their problems through the season - you know, just like another team last year with some petulant ******* that played when he wanted; he and another star arguing all the time; he of the legal troubles (that are still ongoing, yes?).  Yep, downright familiar it is.  What was the name of that other team again? 

And people wonder why I despise the NBA.  Actually, Minnesota's problems look pretty darn vanilla.  Never expected much out of a guy that choked his coach and can't feed his family on millions of dollars a year though.  Great ball player, miserable human being.
Title: Re: NBA 2004/05
Post by: Scott on December 4, 2004, 12:30 AM
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/standings

Is that THE CLIPPERS I see ahead of the Flakers?

Go Heat!
Title: Re: NBA 2004/05
Post by: JediMAC on December 4, 2004, 07:02 AM
Having a half game lead over the Clippers yourself barely gives you room to talk.   :-*

Lakers have been showing flashes of brilliance this season, but just can't hold it together on the defensive end long for a full 48 minutes to secure some of the victories that the SHOULD have had.  They even went so far as to lose to the lowly Bulls a couple days ago.  ****, talk about embarrassing.   :-[

But I think they'll round into shape and still pull about 50 wins this season.  Kobe's been passing the ball like a madman of late, averaging over 10 assists in his last three games, including yet another triple double tonight.  Of course, he better keep that up, since he's shooting an embarrassingly low % from the field right now - 38% last time I checked.  That's an Iverson/Antoine Walker % right there.  Pathetic.

Still surprised to see the Suns, Sonics and Clippers all doing so well still.  I'm expecting all of them to fade though, after a while.  Suns will still be pretty solid though, and make the playoffs, but I'd be pretty surprised to see those other two in there, despite their fast starts this season.  Wolves finally looked themselves tonight against the Suns.  Nice to see some normalcy returning to the NBA ranks just a bit...
Title: Re: NBA 2004/05
Post by: Dressel Rebel on December 4, 2004, 05:05 PM
About this Clippers vs. Lakers thing, I think that the Clippers are a better team this year:

Elton Brand
Corey Maggette
Marko Jaric
Bobby Simmons
Chris Wilcox

That's a pretty complete team, they're all good players.  I would not be surprised at all if they finished ahead of the Lakers.  Unfortunately for both of them though, they're in the toughest division in the NBA.  I think that both the Kings and the Suns are going to finish ahead of them.  The Kings with Brad Miller, Mike Bibby, Chris Webber, and Peja Stojakovic and the Suns with Amare Stoudamire, Steve Nash and Shawn Marion are better.  My prediction, Lakers will be 3rd or 4th in the Western Pacific.
Title: Re: NBA 2004/05
Post by: Brian on December 6, 2004, 09:11 AM
Although he hasn't been playing basically at all this season, I think this might be a mistake (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=1939403).  I guess since he's getting no play, it doesn't make a difference to them, but I always thought Rush could be a pretty good player in this league.  They might regret this later on, but maybe I'm wrong.  Nice pickup for a team like Charlotte if it happens.
Title: Re: NBA 2004/05
Post by: Scott on December 6, 2004, 09:18 AM
Man that is a stupid trade...for a second rounder?  Is this the Clippers or the Lakers? :P :-*
Title: Re: NBA 2004/05
Post by: JediMAC on December 6, 2004, 06:29 PM
I think since Kareem Rush dropped those six 3's on you to knock you out of the playoffs last year, you've got a slightly skewed opinion of him, perhaps.  He's not exactly always quite that good...

He's streaky, at best.  But yeah, I liked him, and was bummed to see that trade go down this morning.  Not surprising though, since he seems to have not been able to crack Tomjanovich's rotation.  I think they did it moreso 'cause they want to keep that little Tionne Brown point guard around, so they needed to open up a roster spot that they weren't expecting to, due to Brown's decent play of late, and the fact that we've got no backup point guards.

I think Brian Cook's surprising outside shooting touch this season made Rush expendable.

BTW, Wolves BARELY squeeked by the Clips the other night.  Nail biter, that WE should've won.  Lucky bastards.  I would've been talking **** to you (MN) guys for weeks had we pulled that one out.

Still so the Lakers will definitely be better than the Clippers though.  They're the Clippers, after all.  And the Lakers still have Kobe.  'Nuff said.   ;)
Title: Re: NBA 2004/05
Post by: aka DaBigKahuna on December 6, 2004, 08:25 PM
Took the family to see the Wolves at America West Arena last Friday, too bad we lost.  Amazed that for $82 we got 4 tickets, 4 subs, 4 cokes, 4 Cold Stone Ice Creams and a souvenir Suns Ball and Basket. 

Also got tickets to see the Heat and Rockets this season.     

Glad to see the Suns rebounded against Portland and are now 14-3 ;D!

DBK 
Title: Re: NBA 2004/05
Post by: JediMAC on December 7, 2004, 06:59 PM
Damn, that's definitely a good deal there Matthew.  Sounds like a fun family outting (aside from the loss).  But at least your boys can say they saw KG play in person now.  Then they can add Shaq, T-Mac, and Yao to that list too.  Not bad for 3 games!   8)  Just gotta catch Duncan and Kobe to complete the set, though maybe your boys have already seen Kobe out this way, before you moved...?


On an even better note, Mr. "I've gotta feed my family" just got suspended for a game for yelling at a female Clipper fan to "suck my d*ck" during the Wolves/Clips game last week.  What's funny, is that we actually watched/heard that whole thing go down on live TV.  Spree didn't realize a live mic was right nearby, and it picked up the whole thing, apparently prompting numerous calls and complaints to the MN and CA television networks that were airing the game.  What a tool.  He should've just kept his mouth shut, and gone over and pulled a "PJ" on her instead...   ::)
Title: Re: NBA 2004/05
Post by: aka DaBigKahuna on December 7, 2004, 08:51 PM
I can't believe Sprewell said that, what a lack of class.  PJ Thing, that is classic.  Did anyone catch what the female fan said to Sprewell?

DBK
Title: Re: NBA 2004/05
Post by: Scott on December 7, 2004, 09:34 PM
Hot rumor:

Wolves Get:  Kidd, Mourning
Nets Get: Abdur Rahim, Ervin Johnson and Telfair
Blazers Get: Cassell and Sczerbiak

Another One:

Wolves Get: Kidd, Mourning
Nets Get: Cassell, Sprewell

I'd do either one in a heartbeat
Title: Re: NBA 2004/05
Post by: Brian on December 8, 2004, 08:47 AM
I've heard that rumor too Scott, and I'd take either trade as well.  Preferrably the one including Cassell and Sprewell, just because they are getting older and I think on the down side of their careers.  Both can still play, but Spree has shown this season that he's still a bit on the crazy side...while Sammy C. can still hoop it up, but you'd have to give him up to get Kidd.  Couldn't imagine a team with J. Kidd, Garnett, and Mourning all on it, that would be fun to watch.

Also, sounds like the Mailman is none too pleased with Kobe (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=1940902), according to ESPN.  Sounds like the chances of him returning to the Lakers are slim to none now.  No offense Laker fans, but can Kobe get along with anyone?
Title: Re: NBA 2004/05
Post by: aka DaBigKahuna on December 8, 2004, 09:57 AM
If TWolves could work out getting Kidd = wow :o!  That would be some exciting basketball  to watch.  Regarding that article two things stand out to me.

1) Kobe = "They are here giving me 110 percent."  Seems to me like it should be team and not me.  You would think a rape charge would humble any one out but I guess getting off has furthered his ego to astronomical heights.   

2) Mitch = "Kobe did not at any time state that Karl was not returning, nor was Kobe speaking on behalf of the Lakers management or organization."  There will be a lot of these statements over the years if Mitch still has the same job.

Regards,

DBK

 
Title: Re: NBA 2004/05
Post by: Scott on December 8, 2004, 10:31 AM
I didn't think it was possible to despise someone more than I already did but...wow

(http://www.cnnsi.com/basketball/news/2003/07/11/kobe_mugshot_ap/t1_kobe_ap.jpg)

"Is there anyway we can settle this"
"Are you Willing to Pay if she is?"
"I got to, I got to, I got to"
Title: Re: NBA 2004/05
Post by: aka DaBigKahuna on December 9, 2004, 04:57 PM
Scott,

Not sure if that's directed at me but I am just focusing on the facts ;)!

Nice to see my boys hand it to the Lakers in L.A. in a knuckle bitter.

DBK
Title: Re: NBA 2004/05
Post by: Scott on December 9, 2004, 05:04 PM
Scott,

Not sure if that's directed at me but I am just focusing on the facts ;)!

Nice to see my boys hand it to the Lakers in L.A. in a knuckle bitter.

DBK
No that wasn't at you...that was at The Reightist
Title: Re: NBA 2004/05
Post by: JediMAC on December 9, 2004, 07:19 PM
Nice to see my boys hand it to the Lakers in L.A. in a knuckle bitter.

Your boys?!  You traitor, Matthew!  You move outta state and you ditch your former boys?  Shame on you...   >:(   :P

Yeah, that was a nail biter last night, and we unfortunately came out on the short end of the stick (again).  Damn, the Lakers are aggravating.  They've lost about 5 or 6 games this year where they had double digit leads near the 4th quarter, and it looked like they had the game well in hand.  Yet time and time again, they somehow let it slip away...

That's 'cause our defense sucks much ass, and Kobe hasn't been "clutch" this year, like he has been in years past.  We've lost games against the Spurs, Kings, Suns, etc. all in the last minute or two of the game.  Pissing me off something fierce!  Kobe had at least his third triple double of the season last night, but again couldn't hit the broad side of a barn in the second half, so it was all for naught.

I keep waiting for the Suns to come crashing back down to Earth, but they keep putting up the W's, basically by outscoring all their opponents, since they're not playing much D.

As for Kobe's tiff with the Mailman, eh, I think it's been blown out of proportion.  I thought his comments weren't that outta line.  He was just sticking up for his teammates, especially the couple guys who would be in danger of losing their roster spot if Malone came back.  He didn't rip Malone or anything dumb like that.  Karl's just being a baby right now.

As for the "me" comment, well, Shaq's said that over and over the past several years and no one took issue with it.  Everything was always "I", "me", "my", "mine" a lot of the time he spoke of the team and his teammates.  Again, no biggie.  They all know it's Kobe's team anyway, so the fact that Kobe reiterated that publicly ain't that big a deal IMO.

The drama never ends in Laker Land...  Whatever.   ::)
Title: Re: NBA 2004/05
Post by: Scott on December 11, 2004, 12:26 AM
I've been meaning to give some well deserved praise to my team for them bringing on Eddie Griffin.  The dude has been amazing the last two weeks, scoring 28 in Philly and 15 tonight against the Kings.   He's definitely playing a key role on the team and they've really turned it on after a slow start.

Aaaaaaaaaaaawoooooooooooooooooooo :)
Title: Re: NBA 2004/05
Post by: Jeff on December 13, 2004, 12:42 PM
As for Kobe's tiff with the Mailman, eh, I think it's been blown out of proportion.  I thought his comments weren't that outta line.  He was just sticking up for his teammates, especially the couple guys who would be in danger of losing their roster spot if Malone came back.  He didn't rip Malone or anything dumb like that.  Karl's just being a baby right now.

Kobe 'upset' about Malone's comments to wife (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=1944994)

 ::)

Good Grief, can things get any stupider in the NBA right now? 

It's only December but I'm already sick of the NBA - the fighting, the petty bickering amongst "teammates" (Wolves or LAkers or anyone).

I wish the NHL were back... at least they take their fights out into the open instead of using the newspapers or the fans to abuse.  :-\

Jeff
Title: Re: NBA 2004/05
Post by: JediMAC on December 13, 2004, 01:57 PM
Go Lakers!


Hollywood drama at it's finest, baby!   8)
Title: Re: NBA 2004/05
Post by: aka DaBigKahuna on December 21, 2004, 09:15 AM
Suns, win another in a thriller (tip from Q).   ;D

DBK
Title: Re: NBA 2004/05
Post by: aka DaBigKahuna on December 21, 2004, 09:17 AM
What do you guys think of the trade sending Carter to NJ?  If he can stay healthy I think they can compete and will be fun to watch.  I guess that rules out Kidd coming to the Wolves.

DBK
Title: Re: NBA 2004/05
Post by: Brian on December 21, 2004, 09:23 AM
Great finish in the Phoenix game last night, I really enjoy watching those guys play.  Always enjoyed Phoenix's team, and Nash, and putting the two together really makes them a fun team.  I hope they can continue their pace.

As for the trade...when I first heard about it, it seemed odd to me.  Although Carter hasn't exactly been great this year, it seemed like Toronto could have gotten more for him.  It could end up being a decent trade for New Jersey though.  VC seems to operate a little better when all the weight isn't on his shoulders, and in New Jersey, he can be the 2nd or even 3rd option with Kidd and Jefferson.  It should make the Nets more competitive, but they really need to get some sort of inside presence there to balance things a little better.  If they could pick up a quality big man via a trade or free agency next year, they could be back among the East's top teams.  Depending on how Carter reacts and plays, it could help to keep Jason Kidd happy as well.  If not, at least the Nets have another quality player and aren't stuck with just Jefferson and some role players.
Title: Re: NBA 2004/05
Post by: aka DaBigKahuna on December 21, 2004, 03:43 PM
mosnab,

I agree that Toronto should have gotten more for VC.  Let's face it the guy has been unhappy and unhealthy but when healthy he will put fans in the seats in NJ, no doubt about it! 

After seeing what Detroit did last year and Seattle and Phoenix are doing this year, I really think that it comes down to team chemistry, role playing and the system that the team plays under.

We shall see, it's gonna be fun!  I can't wait to see the Suns vs. the Heat in person!

DBK 
Title: Re: NBA 2004/05
Post by: JediMAC on January 4, 2005, 01:43 AM
Man, you hoops fans here have been sucking lately!  Where'd everybody go?  Minnesota starts playing like ****, and everybody bails this thread.  Buncha pansy ass bandwagon losers...   >:(

That said, it's nice to see the Lakers pull even with the lowly Wolves.  Kobe may be a ball hog (though he's averaging a career high 7 assists right now), but at least half of our team isn't openly asking for trades and new contracts right now (like Spree, Cassell, Hudson, etc.)  BTW, Kobe's gone for 42, 48, and 42 in the last 3 games.  Comin' alive, so watch out!  Got some big games coming up this week against San Antonio and Dallas, so we'll see how we really are after those.

But man, freakin' Phoenix and Seattle continue to steamroll.  Unbelievable!  Sonics just ended Miami's 14 game winning streak tonight, so that was definitely cool.  Especially after Shaq and those bastards barely squeeked by us on Christmas day...  And Phoenix, wow.  Unstoppable right now, and they don't even play much defense!  Amare goes for 50 last night?   :o  Slow those boys down, will you Fish?!

So, seeing as how quiet everyone's gotten all of the sudden, I can only assume it's because your teams all suck, and that you're jealous of the Lakers, as always.  I'll assume that's the case, unless some of you clowns wanna speak up to the contrary!   :-*

P.S.  We got Lakers tickets from Patty's parents for Christmas, to see LeBron James and the Cavs come to town in a couple of weeks.  Gonna be fun, even with his face bashed in by Dikembe...   ;)
Title: Re: NBA 2004/05
Post by: Brian on January 5, 2005, 09:55 AM
An article (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/columns/story?columnist=lawrence_mitch&id=1958764) up over at ESPN detailing the Timberwolves current problems.  They obviously aren't playing the best right now, but there is still a lot of time to come around.  I do somewhat agree that players like Cassell, Sprewell, and Kandi Man are much of the problem though.  I've never really been big fans of theirs, and their age really seems to be showing now.  There's more talent on the roster though, and time for things to come around.  I really just feel sorry for KG in all of it.  I don't think anyone can deny that this guy just leaves it all on the floor each and every night, and is likely the best player in the league.

Another loss for the Wolves last night, to the other team I like to follow, the Phoenix Suns.  It is nice to see Phoenix doing well, I've always followed them to some extent, back to the Barkley/KJ/Majerle days, but they've really been down for awhile.  They're sitting at 27-4, which is crazy.  I really feel that Nashty has made a big difference there (with the style of play in particular), and Amare has been outstanding and looks to be the real deal.  Anyways, it has still be an interesting year in the NBA, and it is nice to see some "different" teams having success this season, and shaking things up a bit.
Title: Re: NBA 2004/05
Post by: Scott on January 5, 2005, 10:02 AM
To bed honest, I really don't follow the NHL or NBA until Football is done and with Football almost over then I'll probably care a little more.  From what I hear its mostly poor defense that is killing

The cancer that is there with contract talk, playing time and arrests isn't helping either.  I hope they turn it around

RE: Phoenix, I said last year I couldn't figure out why they weren't better than their record showed.  I guess all they were missing was a PG and Nash is one hell of PG. 
Title: Re: NBA 2004/05
Post by: Brian on January 5, 2005, 10:13 AM
I agree Scott, on both counts.  From what little I've been able to see this year, it has been D for the Wolves where the problems have been.  Also the rumblings (that ESPN article included) that Cassell and Spree aren't playing with much fire.

I also never understood why Phoenix wasn't better last year, they really did have a lot of good pieces.  Nash definitely helps, and Q-Rich wasn't a bad pick-up either.  Also, some other notes from last night's games....J O'neal goes for 55 (Garnett also had a nice game, 47 and 17), and Spurs raining like 15 threes vs. LA.
Title: Re: NBA 2004/05
Post by: Morgbug on January 5, 2005, 10:22 AM
Suns, win another in a thriller (tip from Q).   ;D

DBK

Currently I'm a huge Suns fan, I have three in my starting Fantasy rotation.  Feel free to keep winning and racking up points.  Go Suns :P
Title: Re: NBA 2004/05
Post by: JediMAC on January 6, 2005, 07:07 PM
Just 'cause I know you guys will enjoy this...   ::)

Sales of Bryant's jersey plummets out of top 50 (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2005/basketball/nba/01/06/kobe.jersey.ap/index.html)

Lakers just got waxed in back to backs against the Spurs and Mavs.  Ugly.

Wolves faired no better though.  We're both sitting at 16-14 now.  Pathetic.
Title: Re: NBA 2004/05
Post by: Scott on January 6, 2005, 10:32 PM
The Lakers aren't really that big of a surprise, the Wolves absolutely tanking are...man its a great time to be a MN sports fan :'(
Title: Re: NBA 2004/05
Post by: Morgbug on January 6, 2005, 11:09 PM
Just 'cause I know you guys will enjoy this...   ::)

Sales of Bryant's jersey plummets out of top 50 (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2005/basketball/nba/01/06/kobe.jersey.ap/index.html)

Lakers just got waxed in back to backs against the Spurs and Mavs.  Ugly.

Wolves faired no better though.  We're both sitting at 16-14 now.  Pathetic.

Funny about the jersey, cuz he's still lighting it up pretty good.  Must be something else :-X
Title: Re: NBA 2004/05
Post by: Brian on January 7, 2005, 09:18 AM
As much as I'm not a fan of Kobe, I am pretty surprised he dropped all the way out of the Top 50.  I mean the guy still is one of the best players in the game, and plays in one of the highest profile cities in the US, and is officially "the man" on the Lakers as he has always wanted.  It highlights why I have problems liking this guy.  He can play with the best of them, and is likely a future Hall of Famer, but his attitude/demeanor just stinks.  A common trait in many professional athletes to be sure, just seems to be more visible with him.

Wolves are definitely in a nasty funk.  Got beat (fairly soundly) by the Bobcats the other night.  Bobcats?  I know they are playing well....for an expansion team...but yikes.  Hopefully they can right the ship here before too long, something isn't working.
Title: Re: NBA 2004/05
Post by: Jeff on January 10, 2005, 11:25 PM
LAkers 105, T-Wolves 96

Led by as much as 16 and choked in the 4th Quarter.

 :'(

It's times like this I really miss my hockey team...

Jeff
Title: Re: NBA 2004/05
Post by: JediMAC on January 11, 2005, 12:13 AM
 8)

I was gonna call Scott and talk **** to him tonight, but I'd just gotten out of the dentist and my mouth was all numb still so I would've sounded like an idiot (yes, moreso than usual).  So consider yourself lucky Mr. Pearson.

Kicked your ass though, we did!   :-*
Title: Re: NBA 2004/05
Post by: aka DaBigKahuna on January 11, 2005, 12:36 PM
We are really excited about today's game as the Heat come into town.

Since I have never seen Shaq or Wade play in person this will be a real treat.  The best (record that is) in the west vs. the best in east.

Wooha! ;D

DBK
Title: Re: NBA 2004/05
Post by: JediMAC on January 11, 2005, 02:04 PM
Have fun at the game tonight Matthew!  That's gonna be an incredible one to watch - #1 vs. #1...  Hopefully you guys kick their ass!

On a related note, Patty and I are going to the Lakers/Cavs game on Thursday to get our first glimpse of LeBron James, so hopefully he lives up to the hype!   8)

BTW, I'm still waiting for that other MN pansy ass to chime in here too...   >:(
Title: Re: NBA 2004/05
Post by: Scott on January 11, 2005, 02:06 PM
Not much I can say other than they have sucked worse than the Green Bay Packers in January...in fighting, bad defense, arrests, injuries, it just sucks :'(
Title: Re: NBA 2004/05
Post by: Brian on January 11, 2005, 02:53 PM
Yeah, Timberwolves looking really troubled now, and I'm not sure its going to get better any time soon.  Might be time to shake up the roster a little, although I think I'd rather see them get rid of Cassell and/or Spree instead of Wally World like I've been hearing.  Not that I'm huge on Wally S., but I really think Cassell and Spree are on the decline and may be hurting the team.  Maybe not both, but someone is.  Hopefully the ship can get righted soon (is righted a word?).  Anyways, Heat vs. Suns should be a great one.  I just love watching Phoenix play, lots of running, scoring, threes, and dunks.  I hope they continue the success.  Have fun at that game (both of you guys actually) should both be good ones.  #1 vs #1 and Kobe vs. LeBron.

I was just reading this article (http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/050111) over at ESPN's page 2, kind of a fun read if you have the time.  Also, don't think it has been mentioned here, but yesterday the Kings traded Doug Christie to the Magic for Cuttino Mobley and Michael Bradley.  Oh...and I just see now in the "breaking news" that Richard Jefferson is out for the season.
Title: Re: NBA 2004/05
Post by: aka DaBigKahuna on January 12, 2005, 03:35 PM
mosnab,

The joint was packed and the Suns won by 15.  The score did not really say much as the Suns really ran the Heat all game.  I really feel the difference maker is Nash.

When I heard the Suns picked him up I was not to thrilled as I thought you can't win it all with a scoring point guard.  He has changed his game a bit to be the tru floor general.  At halftime guess who was out shooting several minutes before other players even hit the court...Nash! 

Great link to that article.  I glanced it over and plan on reading it later in detail.

JediMAC,

Have a blast at the game.  I saw Lebron at All Star Weekend last year and was amazed at his athletic ability.  Truly a sight to see play in person.  Get ready to see him jump out of the gym.

DBK
Title: Re: NBA 2004/05
Post by: Brian on January 12, 2005, 03:38 PM
I watched much of the game on NBA TV last night, and the Suns played very well...I bet it was great seeing them in person.  Between Nashty pushing the ball like that, all the threes and fastbreaking, and Amare rocking the rim, it is just a fun group of guys to watch.  I think everyone keeps expecting them to fade, but they keep on winning.  I hope it continues.  Glad you enjoyed the game!
Title: Re: NBA 2004/05
Post by: C on January 12, 2005, 04:07 PM
The Lakers aren't really that big of a surprise, the Wolves absolutely tanking are...man its a great time to be a MN sports fan :'(

even so, Sacto still can't find a way to beat the Wolves. i'm hoping there will be a turnaround there...

the Christie/Mobley trade is pretty interesting - but both sides are acting like they're totally depressed about it. did anyone see Steve Francis' comments? he literally sounded suicidal.

Quote
"I can't put it into words," he said. "Playing with a guy, living with a guy, just knowing that every day when I wake up that's something I can count on, that I'm going to be in practice or in a game with Cuttino.

"Him not being here is going to be tough for me. I don't know what I'm going to wake up for."

good lord, man, get a grip.
Title: Re: NBA 2004/05
Post by: Brian on January 13, 2005, 10:24 AM
Just for the heck of it, if the playoffs started today:

Eastern Conference

1. Miami
2. Cleveland
3. Washington
4. Detroit
5. Orlando
6. Indiana
7. New York
8. Chicago

Western Conference

1. Phoenix
2. San Antonio
3. Seattle
4. Dallas
5. Sacramento
6. Los Angeles (Lakers)
7. Houston
8. Minnesota
**Memphis and Los Angeles (Clips) are also tied record wise with Minnesota at this point**

Crazy, just crazy.  I'm sure things will change a bit in the second half, but it sure has been a different year in the NBA thus far.
Title: Re: NBA 2004/05
Post by: Morgbug on January 13, 2005, 11:58 AM
Bring back Red Auerbach :'(
Title: Re: NBA 2004/05
Post by: JediMAC on January 14, 2005, 01:45 PM
JediMAC,

Have a blast at the game.  I saw Lebron at All Star Weekend last year and was amazed at his athletic ability.  Truly a sight to see play in person.  Get ready to see him jump out of the gym.

DBK

(http://espn-att.starwave.com/media/nba/2005/0113/photo/g_bryant_ft.jpg) (http://i.a.cnn.net/si/2005/basketball/nba/01/13/bc.bkn.lakersbryantinju.ap/tx_kobe.jpg) (http://i.a.cnn.net/si/2005/basketball/nba/01/13/bc.bkn.lakersbryantinju.ap/p1_kobeankle.jpg)

Well, that "Ultimate Showdown" turned out to be a major bust since Kobe went down for the count just 5 minutes into the game...   :-\

It was fun watching LeBron in person though, despite that stupid mask.  He was one assist short of his first career Triple Double, and had a chance for a game winning 3-point shot with just a second to go, but fortunately missed it.  LeBron had a couple monster jams last night too, so that added to the excitement...

Nice to see the Lakers pull together without Kobe.  Played some good "team" ball, as I'm sure several of you were about to point out...   ;)

Just bummed, really bummed, to miss out on an amazing Kobe vs. LeBron showdown, akin to the Jordan vs. 'Nique matchups of years past.   :'(

Title: Re: NBA 2004/05
Post by: Jeff on January 14, 2005, 01:59 PM
I think he faked it so he wouldn't have to face King James 1-on-1...  :-X

Nah, just kidding.  Everyone knows that LAkers like Kobe always give 100% every night.  ::)

Jeff
Title: Re: NBA 2004/05
Post by: JediMAC on January 14, 2005, 02:00 PM
Hey, you watch it punk!   >:(


At least my team is in the Playoff hunt right now...   :-*
Title: Re: NBA 2004/05
Post by: DSJ™ on January 14, 2005, 02:09 PM
Faking It!
Title: Re: NBA 2004/05
Post by: Scott on January 14, 2005, 02:52 PM
Just heard this rumored deal on the radio:

Wolves get: Eddie Jones, Donyell Marshall
Heat Get: Sprewell
Raptors Get: Penny Hardaway
Knicks Get: Jalen Rose
Title: Re: NBA 2004/05
Post by: Brian on January 14, 2005, 03:26 PM
I just read that same rumor over at CNNSi.com this afternoon, but it sounded like it didn't materialize (last night).  Perhaps the talks continue.  Might do the Wolves good to do some sort of shake up, and I personally wouldn't be too sad to see Spree go, for the right return.
Title: Re: NBA 2004/05
Post by: C on January 14, 2005, 03:58 PM
Hey, you watch it punk!   >:(


At least my team is in the Playoff hunt right now...   :-*

that's some liberal use of the word "hunt" right there...
Title: Re: NBA 2004/05
Post by: Morgbug on January 15, 2005, 01:24 AM
Faking It!

Nope, I saw the close up video of it.  That is one nasty-ass ankle sprain.  5 games to come back will be fast, mark my words. 
Title: Re: NBA 2004/05
Post by: JediMAC on January 20, 2005, 04:47 PM
Ahem.

**cough (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/recap?gameId=250119013)**


T-Wolves.

No Kobe...

No problem.


 :-*
Title: Re: NBA 2004/05
Post by: Scott on January 20, 2005, 04:49 PM
I just don't get it either.  Same team as last year...Horse ****

I hate my local teams right now :'(
Title: Re: NBA 2004/05
Post by: Morgbug on January 20, 2005, 04:54 PM
Ahem.

**cough (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/recap?gameId=250119013)**


T-Wolves.

No Kobe...

No problem.


 :-*

Ayup, saw the highlights at lunch today.  WTF?  Oops.
Title: Re: NBA 2004/05
Post by: Scott on January 28, 2005, 11:01 PM
And just like that the Pups are on a tear...winning 7 of 9 and came back tonight after being down 16 to the Jazz! 
Title: Re: NBA 2004/05
Post by: JediMAC on February 2, 2005, 12:03 AM
Yeah, I'm rather surprised certain Wolves fans haven't used this excellent (and rare) opportunity these past few weeks to really humble the Laker fans around here.   ;)

Seen the news that Rudy T. is contemplating resigning from the Lakers?  Speculation 'round here is running rampant, including the following:

1)  Health issues - but not cancer (this seems to be the most obvious choice)

2)  Had a spat with Laker owner over the "boring" style of ball the Lakers have been playing all season.  Buss wanted to see the ol' Showtime run 'n' gun style return to L.A. this season.  Didn't happen.

3)  He's already learned that Kobe is uncoachable, and doesn't want to deal with him anymore.

Take your pick, but as always, L.A. is the center of the hoops universe when it comes to stupid ass drama.   ::)
Title: Re: NBA 2004/05
Post by: Brian on February 2, 2005, 08:59 AM
I caught that last night on ESPN before I went to bed, and then again this morning on Sportscenter.  The crazy idea that's been thrown out there?  Phil Jackson coming back to coach again.  You definitely have all the drama out there Matt, As the Lakers World Turns.  At least it sounds like this time it actually isn't Kobe's fault, and the stress/pressure was just wearing on Rudy T. and his health.
Title: Re: NBA 2004/05
Post by: Jeff on February 2, 2005, 01:41 PM
Yeah, I'm rather surprised certain Wolves fans haven't used this excellent (and rare) opportunity these past few weeks to really humbe the Laker fans around here.   ;)

Bah, even with 7 game win streak, we were still only like 9-8 in January, not much to get excited about.   :(

Hopefully they can get some things righted, starting with nerfing Spree.  I'm almost as tired of hearing about his issues as I am about hearing Randy Moss Trade rumors.   ::)

Jeff
Title: Re: NBA 2004/05
Post by: SPIDERLEGS on February 3, 2005, 05:30 PM
The Mavs are 30-14, but more telling than that: they are 18-0 when they have the lead at the start of the 4th quarter. That's dominance, man. You will all come to fear the Mavericks. Dirk has discovered that he is developing a solid inside game to compliment his awesome jump shot. Dampier held Shaq in check 2 nights ago, and Jason Terry is coming into his own as our 2 guard.

The Mavs will be hitting their stride come playoff time. San Antonio is the only West team that has an adavantage over them, and that's psychological.
Title: Re: NBA 2004/05
Post by: Brian on February 8, 2005, 02:03 PM
NBA All-Star Starters and Subs

East
Starters:
C - Shaquille O'Neal - Miami
F - Vince Carter - New Jersey
F - Grant Hill - Orlando
G - LeBron James - Cleveland
G - Allen Iverson - Philadelphia

Subs:
G - Dwyane Wade, Miami
G - Gilbert Arenas, Washington
G - Paul Pierce, Boston
F - Antawn Jamison, Washington
F - Jermaine O'Neal, Indiana
F - Ben Wallace, Detroit
C - Zydrunas Ilgauskus, Cleveland

West
Starters:
C - Yao Ming, Houston
F - Kevin Garnett, Minnesota
F - Tim Duncan, San Antonio
G - Kobe Bryant, Los Angeles
G - Tracy McGrady, Houston

Subs:
G - Manu Ginobili, San Antonio
G - Steve Nash, Phoenix
G - Ray Allen, Seattle
F - Rashard Lewis, Seattle
F - Shawn Marion, Phoenix
F - Dirk Nowitzki, Dallas
C - Amare Stoudemire, Phoenix
Title: Re: NBA 2004/05
Post by: Jeff on February 9, 2005, 10:20 AM
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/recap?gameId=250208029

 >:(

Lose 5 in a row, win seven in a row, lose 6 in a row.

Ugh.  I am tired of this bad chemistry, streaky junk this year.  Who do we think we areplaying like this, the LAkers?  Maybe KG wants a challenge with a lower playoff seed or maybe he needs a break from the playoffs this year, I don't know.

The worst part is without the Wild, I'm stuck following this train wreck of a squad.  The worst part is knowing that this team is basically the same as last year and it is only their in-fighting and bad seeds that have derailed us...   :'(

Maybe I'll take a break from sports for a bit and just pick up the Twins in March... I can always jump back on the wolves bandwagon when/if they make the playoffs I guess.

Jeff
Title: Re: NBA 2004/05
Post by: Brian on February 9, 2005, 10:24 AM
It has been really frustrating, and I keep expecting them to snap out of it and work their way up the standings.  That could still happen, lots of season left, but I'm growing increasingly concerned.  I am starting to feel that a change in personnel might be necessary, possibly sending Cassell or Spree (or both) packing and getting something else sparked in Wolf land.
Title: Re: NBA 2004/05
Post by: Jeff on February 10, 2005, 12:23 PM
Beating up on Denver last night was a step in the right direction, now let's keep it rolling!

And I agree with ya Brian, I'd like to see Spree moved to shake things up a bit and make room for Wally (who is playing really well now).  Sure would be nice to have that "I need to feed my family" cancer shopped out before the stretch run...

Jeff
Title: Re: NBA 2004/05
Post by: Brian on February 11, 2005, 02:37 PM
Sounds as if Karl Malone has decided to retire (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=1989341) instead of returning to the NBA (probably with the Spurs).  Also, sounds like Reggie Miller is also hanging things up (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=1988963) at the end of this season.  I was never particularly fond of either player, but have to respect the fact that they were both tremendous basketball talents and players, and definitely future Hall of Famers.  Two more players gone from the NBA I grew up knowing so well :).
Title: Re: NBA 2004/05
Post by: Morgbug on February 11, 2005, 02:47 PM
Strangely I've always liked Reggie.  Not sure why, but I think I always felt for him because he played in Indiana and never really got much attention.  I don't have much respect for many basketball players at all, so I never really felt any reason to single him out any more than any other player, though he isn't terribly popular at all. 

Malone I always enjoyed watching in Utah, not so much in LA.  He is a phenomenal talent and certainly bound for the Hall. 

I do like the way (it seems) Reggie is going out closer to the top, playing for a single team and not demanding a trade to a potential championship team for a shot at a ring.  I certainly understand players wanting to do that, but I end up respecting players that stay in one location much, much more.  The community has supported them for a long, long time.  Abandoning them for a ring seems sort of hollow to my pious self. 
Title: Re: NBA 2004/05
Post by: Brian on February 11, 2005, 02:54 PM
Quote
I do like the way (it seems) Reggie is going out closer to the top, playing for a single team and not demanding a trade to a potential championship team for a shot at a ring.  I certainly understand players wanting to do that, but I end up respecting players that stay in one location much, much more.  The community has supported them for a long, long time.  Abandoning them for a ring seems sort of hollow to my pious self.

I agree with you there Brent.  Although I understand why players would really want that chance at winning a ring, I have more respect for the ones who stay with "their team" for the entirety of their careers.  In this day of multiple trades and free agent movement, it doesn't seem like it happens all that often anymore.  I enjoyed it more when I was growing up watching hoops, and for the most part, the "big names" stayed put with their teams, and if they did switch it was a huge deal.  I remember the "Barkley to Suns" trade being like the biggest deal ever when I was in high school. :)  With both of these players, I just hated them when they were playing against my team(s) (which was primarily the Bulls from 1988 until Jordan hung them up for good)...which I guess is a compliment to them, because they were so good.  However, if they were playing against someone else (particularly when Reggie would torch the Knicks), I did enjoy that somewhat.  Either way, like you said, nice of Reggie to go out on top...and both of these guys are bound for the HOF.
Title: Re: NBA 2004/05
Post by: Morgbug on February 11, 2005, 03:48 PM
I think for me it's an age thing :P  I'm clearly old and living in the past, but yeah, I really remember when guys wanted to play their entire career in a single place. 

In spite of his now obvious flaws, I thought Kirby Puckett would have made an ideal role model for younger players because he took less money from the Twins to stay there citing family reasons and that they liked the community.  Contrast that 10-15 years down the road and suddenly the family reasons are not enough money (Spree)!  That's a pretty dramatic difference. 

As an old Celtics fan I liked guys that stayed put even though lots of the big Celtic names actually came from other places - DJ, Chief, Walton, etc.  But Bird and McHale were and always will be Celtics.  Erving was a 76er (ABA, what ABA?) etc.  Old school, as it were.  Bah, I'm living in the past. 

Oddly, the one guy I feel good about switching teams was Ray Bourque.  He did play his entire season in Boston, save the last.  I'm happy he got a cup.  I wonder why I feel differently about him ???
Title: Re: NBA 2004/05
Post by: Famine on February 11, 2005, 04:33 PM
I wonder why I feel differently about him ???


Morgbug's got a man crush. ;D


It's greedy athletes that made me not have a sports idol as a young child.

Kevin
Title: Re: NBA 2004/05
Post by: JediMAC on February 12, 2005, 08:54 PM
Looks like the Wolves just canned Flip Saunders, and are having their VP Kevin McHale step in and take his place.  Wow.  Flip's been around for a long time, and I'm not sure you can blame him for the mess that has become a bunch of greedy egotistical ******** on his team, but oh well...

Yeah, pretty surprising to see Malone up and retire like that.  Looked like a for sure thing that he'd be headed to San Antonio, I thought.  Wonder why he changed his mind, especially since they have to be heavily favored to win the championship...

Maybe he wants to spend more time "hunting Mexican chicks".   :P
Title: Re: NBA 2004/05
Post by: Dressel Rebel on February 13, 2005, 08:49 PM
I smell a Heat/Spurs Finals.
Title: Re: NBA 2004/05
Post by: Dressel Rebel on February 14, 2005, 08:13 PM
Hrmmm...looks like KG is injured, numbers are down substantially in February.
Title: Re: NBA 2004/05
Post by: Scott on February 14, 2005, 10:51 PM
He is hurt, bum knee and has been for most of the year.  Part of the reason they are playing so bad, albiet a small part.  Its just sickening to even talk about, RIP Flip ::)
Title: Re: NBA 2004/05
Post by: John C on February 15, 2005, 02:22 PM
They were reactionary and will regret dumping Flip IMO.  I suppose Taylor told McHale to do something or it would be his job.  I think the Wolves would have been better off getting rid of McHale or making a trade.  McHale is a great guy, but he's done nothing good for the team since he's been here.  Who has he drafted that turned into a player?  Look at what the Spurs have done since McHale has been in charge.  Several rings, and they still manage to draft good players.  McHale was the problem, not Flip.
Title: Re: NBA 2004/05
Post by: Brian on February 15, 2005, 02:26 PM
I was sad to see Flip go as well, and I really believe he is one of the best coaches in the game right now.  He wasn't the problem here, as far as I'm concerned.  I would have sooner seen a trade as well, with either Spree or Cassell (or both) getting sent off.  Its not like things could get much worse for them, and maybe Minnesota could get one or two younger, talented players in return (in addition to probably taking on someone else's problem....a player like Glenn Robinson or someone).  Hopefully they can get things turned around, and at least make the playoffs.
Title: Re: NBA 2004/05
Post by: Jeff on February 15, 2005, 02:28 PM
Who has he drafted that turned into a player?

It's hard to draft anyone of quality when the league takes away your picks thanks to a secret no-no deal... :-X

Of course, that doesn't really take away the blame from McHale since he was partially responsible for the whole Joe Smith thing.  Sure, McHale had to sit out for a while, but ultimately it really was the team that got punished for that because Free Agency and Trades were the only way to improve the team substantially.

Unfortunately, that's where McHale comes in again.  I don't have a problem with him as a person, but I would have much rather see him gone than Flip IMHO...

Jeff

Title: Re: NBA 2004/05
Post by: Scott on February 15, 2005, 02:54 PM
Well, he did draft KG and Wally and Steph/Ray Allen, but beyond that, he's sucked ass at Drafting:  Will Avery, Paul Grant, Ndudi Ebi...all of which were horrible. Especially seeing who he passed up in Josh Howard.  Outside of the trades for Cassell and Spree last year he hasn't really done anything either that way

I agree that he's far more the problem than Flip was/is.  Again, its such a damn mess it makes me ill to even think about it :-X
Title: Re: NBA 2004/05
Post by: Morgbug on February 19, 2005, 10:36 PM
Watching the up and comers dunk contest right now :o

Amare Stoudemaire and Josh Smith are putting on one amazing show.  First dunk contest in a long time worth watching. 8)
Title: Re: NBA 2004/05
Post by: JediMAC on February 19, 2005, 10:46 PM
Yeah, we've been watching it too.  That header from Nash to Amare was sick!  Fun stuff, but I feel pretty bad for that stoner hippy lookin' white guy who couldn't get the ball in the basket to save his life.  What was he, about 1 for 30 on his dunk attempts?

Phoenix came pretty close to sweeping the entire day's events too.  Won 3 out of the 4 contests, with Stoudemire finishing runner up in the dunk.  Not bad!  Those guys are pretty damned fun to watch.  I'm definitely pulling for them in the second half of the season (behind my Lakers, of course).
Title: Re: NBA 2004/05
Post by: Brian on February 22, 2005, 08:53 AM
Yeah, the dunk contest wasn't too bad this year.  It is something my best friend and I have watched about every year since it started (missing the first few in the 80s).  Always been big into dunking I guess :).  Chris Andersen's showing was pathetic.  They said it took around 30 attempts for him to get 2 dunks down.  Josh Smith and Amare really both did well, but I think Smith's dunks just seemed more impressive since he had more "hang" and wasn't quite as tall.  I was pulling for Amare to win though, to complete the Phoenix sweep.  Overall, a nice All-Star weekend I thought, and fun to watch.  The game was good too, with everyone playing well it seemed.

By the way, I don't know if anyone else watched it, but earlier on Saturday TNT had an All-Star "one on one" thing where they interviewed a few of the stars.  The KG interview was really good I thought, and to me, it made me respect him even more.  This guy just wants to win...bottom line...and I think you can tell his feelings are genuine.  Also interviewed Steve Nash, so I got to see two of my favorite players up close and personal :).  Good All-Star weekend, now we're ready for the second half and the playoffs, should be interesting.  Trading deadline this week as well.  I heard over the weekend discussing a "rumored trade possibility" of the Lakers sending Odom to Sacramento for Peja and B-Jax.  Probably won't happen, but its always fun to speculate about big trades.
Title: Re: NBA 2004/05
Post by: JediMAC on February 24, 2005, 12:04 AM
Damn.  After the mega-Moss deal in the NFL today, the NBA pulls off a whopper too.  Don't know the details yet, but they just announced that the Sacramento Kings are trading Chris Webber to the Sixers, in a 6 player deal (that doesn't sound like it involves Iverson at all).  That'll give Philly a serious shot in the arm.

Wonder what else we might see go down before tomorrow's trading deadline...
Title: Re: NBA 2004/05
Post by: Brian on February 24, 2005, 08:42 AM
Yeah, I just heard about that trade this morning Matt, quite a surprise I think (I hadn't heard it rumored anyways).  Here's how it breaks down:

Philly Receives:

F- Chris Webber
F- Matt Barnes
F/C - Michael Bradley

Sacto Receives:

F- Corliss Williamson
F/C- Brian Skinner
F- Kenny Thomas

Definitely a shot in the arm for Philly, who, if Webber stays healthy, came out pretty good on this deal I think.  Iverson and C-Webb together could be a nice combo, and they didn't have to give up their "young players" like Iguodala, Green, etc.

Other rumblings that are going down heading to the deadline are Baron Davis to the Warriors, a possibly Ray Allen for Paul Pierce swap, to name a couple.
Title: Re: NBA 2004/05
Post by: Scott on February 24, 2005, 10:35 AM
As bad as the Moss trade was/is this one is much, much, much worse.  Webber for three has beens?  Come on.  If I were a Sacto fan I'd be livid
Title: Re: NBA 2004/05
Post by: Brian on February 24, 2005, 12:21 PM
That's what I thought too Scott, trade seemed odd to say the least.  I know Webber's contract is a monster, but still.  Philly has to be dancing in the streets right now, shedding some guys (and contracts) they didn't really want anyways for a perennial All-Star.  Injury or not, C-Webb can play when he's healthy.  Why Sacto didn't at least try to get Big Dog's expiring contract in the trade is beyond me.  Hearing anything up your way about Minny making any trades?  I don't know if anyone wants what they're offering :).  I see the Cavs just picked up Jiri Welsch from the Celtics for a future draft pick.  Could be a nice pick up for them.
Title: Re: NBA 2004/05
Post by: Scott on February 24, 2005, 12:42 PM
Word is the only one they are shopping is Sammy C, otherwise its wait and see what happens
Title: Re: NBA 2004/05
Post by: Jeff on February 24, 2005, 12:54 PM
Word is the only one they are shopping is Sammy C, otherwise its wait and see what happens

There were some more rumblings about the possible J-Kidd deal too this AM, but I think that is more fanboy speculation than serious dealing at this point.

At this point in the year, I sure wouldn't mind Spree/Sammy C for Jason Kidd.   ;)

Jeff
Title: Re: NBA 2004/05
Post by: Brian on February 24, 2005, 04:07 PM
A flurry of deals at the deadline, according to ESPN...here's a rundown (short versions):

Hawks Get:

Gary Payton
Michael Stewart
Tom Gugliotta

Celtics Get:

Antoine Walker :-\ (didn't they have him once? :P)
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Warriors Get:

Baron Davis

Hornets Get:

Speedy Claxton
Dale Davis
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Sixers Get:

Jamal Mashburn (likely retiring)
Rodney Rogers

Hornets Get:

Glenn Robinson
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Knicks Get:

Malik Rose

Spurs Get:

Nazr Mohammed
Jamison Brewer
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Knicks Get:

Maurice Taylor

Rockets Get:

Vin Baker
Moochie Norris
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Warriors Get:

Nikolas Tskitishvili
Rodney White

Nuggets Get:

Eduardo Najera
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Bucks Get:

Reece Gaines

Rockets Get:

Mike James
Zendon Hamilton
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Dallas Gets:

Keith Van Horn

Bucks Get:

Calvin Booth
Alan Henderson
cash
Title: Re: NBA 2004/05
Post by: Scott on February 24, 2005, 04:27 PM
That Walker trade is a weird one...not sure why Boston wants him back
Title: Re: NBA 2004/05
Post by: Morgbug on February 24, 2005, 05:05 PM
That Walker trade is a weird one...not sure why Boston wants him back

When Len Bias died, all sanity left Boston with respect to basketball.  It's been really, really frustrating for a long time. :'(
Title: Re: NBA 2004/05
Post by: JediMAC on February 25, 2005, 03:18 PM
I feel it should be pointed out that the lowly Clippers, who were in the midst of an 8-game losing streak, knocked off the T-wolves last night.   :-X

Also noteworthy is that the Lakers have FINALLY won THREE freakin' games in a row for the first time all season!   ::)  So hopefully they're finally getting their **** together, especially now that they know Lamar and Caron Butler aren't being traded anywhere.

Big game against Detroit tonight though.  Not exactly expecting a win out of that one, but hopefully my boys will surprise me.

Can't wait to see what antics Payton's gonna have in store as far as reporting to the Hawks goes.  Supposedly he ain't gonna be around there long, and he'll eventually get moved back to a Western Conf. contender.

BTW, you guys see the story on Boston's Fleet Center naming rights?  They're eBaying off the naming rights every day for their stadium (since Fleet's no longer in the picture), and some lawyer from New York won the rights for a day for a little over a couple grand, and is demanding it be called the Derek Jeter Center.  Funny!  They're mulling over whether they're gonna allow it though, and it looks doubtful that they actually will...
Title: Re: NBA 2004/05
Post by: JediMAC on March 3, 2005, 03:42 AM
The Lakers have gone totally and completely into the toilet now.  Since picking up our first 3 game winning streak of the season coming out of the Allstar break, we've now lost 4 in a row, including to the **** teams of Toronto, New York, and Boston.  That puts us back at the .500 mark, with a very bleak outlook on things right now.  I think I'm finally ready to admit that we're not anywhere near as good as I was expecting us to be, and Kobe is definitely not "leading the way" like he should be...   >:(
Title: Re: NBA 2004/05
Post by: Jeff on March 3, 2005, 09:25 AM
Kobe is definitely not "leading the way" like he should be...   >:(

This is no surprise to me.... Both Scott and I fully expected Kobe to crap out on ya.  Sorry, man.   :(


Of course, up here in the land of Wolves there are plently of surprises to keep me humble in taunting your LAkers.   :'(

Losing to 17-40 Golden-fricken-State last night?  AT HOME?  Yet ANOTHER crappy-ass 4th quarter killed us...  at this point I don't even know why I bother anymore.  ::)


Maybe I'll take a break from sports for a bit and just pick up the Twins in March... I can always jump back on the wolves bandwagon when/if they make the playoffs I guess.


In fact, hey look it's March now!  And the first Twins grapefruit league game is today!

[prompty removes himself from the Wolves bandwagon... goodbye NBA season 04-05]

Jeff
Title: Re: NBA 2004/05
Post by: JediMAC on March 9, 2005, 03:20 PM
Another horrid loss for the Lakeshow, to the lowly, pathetic cross town Clippers last night.  That actually dropped us OUT of the Playoff picture too, which is really causing reality to start setting in.  Still surprising to see the Wolves sitting right alongside us.  Despite all their off court shenanigans, I had fully expected Garnett to pull his guys together for the stretch run, and turn things around.

When guys like KG and Kobe, and teams like the Wolves and Lakers are NOT in the playoff picture, and un-noteable teams like the Grizzlies and Nuggets ARE...?  Something's wrong with this picture.

Boils down to playing team basketball and good defense of course.  But I'd rather avoid thinking about that...   :-\

Amusing to see how the Webber trade is playing out in Philly.  Dude's already in the doghouse, is playing way reduced minutes, is not contributing, is disgruntled, and is now getting booed by the Philly fans.  Boy, that trade sure didn't work out too well for 'em, eh?!   :P
Title: Re: NBA 2004/05
Post by: Dressel Rebel on March 9, 2005, 10:20 PM


Amusing to see how the Webber trade is playing out in Philly.  Dude's already in the doghouse, is playing way reduced minutes, is not contributing, is disgruntled, and is now getting booed by the Philly fans.  Boy, that trade sure didn't work out too well for 'em, eh?!   :P

I still don't understand why the Kings traded him.  They had Cuttino Mobley, Webber, Mike Bibby, Brad Miller, and Peja Stojakovic, they were definitely playoff bound and had a chance to go deep into the playoffs.  And they really traded Webber for crap.  I can see why the Sixers wanted him.  Webber was a lock for 20 PTS, 10 REB, 5 AST per night, now his numbers have been cut in half over the last 7 games.  Let's see how he finishes the season.  I don't think he'll be a Sixer next year if this continues.
Title: Re: NBA 2004/05
Post by: Jeff on March 10, 2005, 10:55 AM
When guys like KG and Kobe, and teams like the Wolves and Lakers are NOT in the playoff picture, and un-noteable teams like the Grizzlies and Nuggets ARE...?  Something's wrong with this picture.

I wonder what Shaq is thinking right now?

Heat = #1 playoff seed in the East with a 7.5 game lead over #2 Detroit  :)

Lakers = #9 in the West, 0.5 games behind the #8 seed  :(


I doubt that Shaq is missing Phil and Kobe all that much at this point...  :P
Title: Re: NBA 2004/05
Post by: Brian on March 10, 2005, 01:51 PM
Nice to see that Fred Hoiberg (http://proxy.espn.go.com/nba/columns/story?columnist=hollinger_john&id=2009547) is getting recognized for his shooting prowess, in an article over at ESPN.  You can read part of it over at ESPN.com.  This brings about another point I wanted to mention, but doesn't it seem like ESPN.com is getting awfully stingy with their articles and information anymore?  I used to really enjoy reading their various stories about players, teams, etc., but it is pretty rare to even get a chance to read one anymore (not to mention any chats they have).  If they want to have some of their services subscription based, that's fine, but it is coming to the point that anything beyond statistics, standings, and scores has to be paid for.  Sorry, just ranting :).
Title: Re: NBA 2004/05
Post by: JediMAC on March 10, 2005, 03:24 PM
I wonder what Shaq is thinking right now?

Heat = #1 playoff seed in the East with a 7.5 game lead over #2 Detroit  :)

Lakers = #9 in the West, 0.5 games behind the #8 seed  :(


I doubt that Shaq is missing Phil and Kobe all that much at this point...  :P


And that's what's making this whole Laker season 100x worse.  I hate seeing Shaq kick ass in the East, and us go down the damded toilet.  As horrible as it is to say, I was kinda hoping that Shaq's injury a few weeks ago would be season ending.   :-X

I just pray that Detroit can keep Miami out of the Finals.  Daily, I pray for that.

Nice ass-whippin Stoudemire (44 points) and the Suns administered upon the Spurs last night.  Of course, it was because pansyass Popovich kept Duncan and Ginobli out of the game.  Keeps the Suns right alongside the Spurs in the West, and Nash's surprising MVP push gets even stronger.  I'd imagine Amere's gotta be getting into the running now as well.  Gonna be interesting to see who's gonna grab it this year, since it seems like a wide open race at this point.  I doubt Iverson and LeBron will have enough W's to be considered too seriously.  Shaq and Wade will split a lot of the Heat votes, as will Amare and Nash for the Suns, which may just let Duncan sneak in for his third.

Granted, Kobe should actually win it.  But you guys already knew that...   ;)
Title: Re: NBA 2004/05
Post by: Brian on March 11, 2005, 11:19 AM
Personally, I'd really like to see Nash win the MVP.  I don't know how likely it is, even though he does deserve it, but the fact that he isn't the "high scoring" type might hold him back some too.  It really is up in the air this year with crappy team seasons likely keeping KG and Kobe out of the running.  Candidates probably consist of (in no particular order):

Steve Nash
Tim Duncan
Allen Iverson
Shaquille O'Neal
LeBron James
Kevin Garnett
Kobe Bryant
Amare Stoudemire
Dirk Nowitzki
Title: Re: NBA 2004/05
Post by: Dressel Rebel on March 12, 2005, 11:17 PM
I think all of those players have a chance to win the MVP except for Amare Stoudemire, no chance there.  If a Sun wins, it's gonna be Nash for sure.  The Suns scored 30 pts less a game when Nash was out with his injury. 

And about Shaq, if you put him there, Wade's gotta be there too.

I like LeBron's odds.
Title: Re: NBA 2004/05
Post by: Brian on March 14, 2005, 09:24 AM
Yeah, forgot to put Wade in there, that guy is outstanding.  Although, he's probably in the same boat as Stoudemire....if someone is going to win it on his team, they are more likely to give it to Shaq, although I don't think that will happen either.
Title: Re: NBA 2004/05
Post by: Jeff on March 14, 2005, 09:59 AM
I doubt Iverson and LeBron will have enough W's to be considered too seriously.  Shaq and Wade will split a lot of the Heat votes, as will Amare and Nash for the Suns, which may just let Duncan sneak in for his third.

I agree with this too.  I think Amare and Nash will split a lot of votes, same with Shaq and Wade.  It's hard to be the league MVP if you might not even be your team's MVP.   :-\

I'll guess that Duncan, LeBron, and Iverson have the best shots at the MVP. 

Iverson is scoring a ton and is at the top with assists.  King James has turned around a once hopeless franchise.  But, like J-MAC pointed out, they both might not have enough wins when compared to the other teams (Miami, Spurs, Suns).

If this were baseball (where MVP means "Flashiest Offensive Player regardless of team performance"), I'd give the award to King James.  He's the most valuable to the game and it's future in terms of leading the next batch of super-stars.

However, since this is the NBA MVP (where TEAM performance actually matters to the MVP vote) I have to give the nod to Duncan.  He's is leading the Spurs to the best in the west alone without a Nash/Amare helper.  Near the top in scoring and rebounds, I think it's his.

Jeff
Title: Re: NBA 2004/05
Post by: JediMAC on March 14, 2005, 02:48 PM
After faltering to the lowly Clippers last week, the Lakers have bounced back with a nice win over the Mavs (again), and barely squeezed by the pathetic Bobcats on Saturday.  It took 21 points in the fourth quarter from Kobe, along with a game winning 22 foot jumper with 9 tenths of a second left, to pull that one out by a single point.  Embarrassing.  But I guess a W is a W.  Our first 2 game winning streak on the road this year too.  Also embarrassing.

Clinging to the #8 spot again.  Barely.
Title: Re: NBA 2004/05
Post by: Morgbug on March 15, 2005, 12:16 PM
I think LeBron will win the MVP - the league needs to promote itself again.  It is suffering through some (for the NBA) hard times, image-wise.  The fallout last year between Shaq and Kobe, some less than stellar games (did I see a final with Detroit last week where they won 64-62 :o) and some rather bad reputations for it's players. 

Iverson won't win because of negative associations.  Nash won't win because he's white and playing for a non-major team (no, it's not politically correct to state that, but it's true).  LeBron is deserving, make no mistake about my views, but I think Nash does more for his team than LeBron does for his team overall.  Duncan's a decent, if boring, shot to win again - a quality player, a quality individual.

I just wonder what the decision making process is for the NBA.  I admit I was surprised Duncan got it previously, given his work ethic, attitude, etc. are so un-NBA in the modern sense.  LeBron is the next Jordan and has kept his nose clean so there's an option with appeal to the fans and the league.  hmm.
Title: Re: NBA 2004/05
Post by: JediMAC on March 17, 2005, 01:24 PM
The Showdown, Volume 2 tonight...

Kobe vs. Shaq.

In Miami.

Kobe's been playing like **** the last couple games, and everyone around here's been wondering if he's trying to save his energy for tonight, of if he's just been too focused on tonight to do jack earlier this week.

Regardless, it's a big game, especially now that we're dicking around on the playoff bubble.  I'll be pretty surprised if we steal one tonight, but hopefully Kobe gets his **** together, and brings it, and gets the Lakers the W.  I'd love to see him stick it to Shaq.  And dunk on him too...   8)
Title: Re: NBA 2004/05
Post by: Scott on March 18, 2005, 10:02 AM
As depressed as I am about this year, the one ray of hope I have is that the Lakers also don't make the playoffs...that would be the saving grace. :P :-*
Title: Re: NBA 2004/05
Post by: JediMAC on March 18, 2005, 12:55 PM
Looks like you might just get your wish.  Got bitchslapped by Shaq, Wade, and the Miami crew last night.  Kobe COMPLETELY disappeared in the second half for the THIRD game in a row.  He's made a combined total of THREE shots in the last three second halves that they've played.  He's got some problems/issues going on, or sumthin', 'cause he aint' himself lately, and it's costing us big time right now.  ****.   >:(
Title: Re: NBA 2004/05
Post by: Jeff on March 18, 2005, 03:10 PM
Yeah, Denver is 9-1 in their last 10 games!  :o

If they keep playing like that both the LAkers and the Wolves will have trouble catching them.

Even the Griz at #7 have been playing agrweat and winning lately...

Jeff
Title: Re: NBA 2004/05
Post by: JediMAC on March 19, 2005, 01:17 AM
Yep, Lakers are toast.  Blew another one tonight in Indy, to the hapless Pacers.  We totally suck.  Bad.  Like, really bad.

Reggie Miller went for 39 on us (most he's had in almost 5 years), while Kobe racked up an extremely impressive 12 points.   ::)


In a bizarre upset, the Celt's beat the smokin' hot Rockets tonight too.  Go Brent.   :P
Title: Re: NBA 2004/05
Post by: Brian on March 21, 2005, 09:07 AM
Yeah, right now, its starting to look like the Nuggets are pulling away.  Minnesota beat Houston yesterday, and LA lost to Seattle, but Denver won again so the Wolves didn't make up any ground.  If they keep playing this way, looks like it should be a done deal.  Crazy that the two Conference finalists from last year in the West might not even make the playoffs this year >:(.  Hopefully if that happens, Minnesota will be able to do some revamping with the roster a bit, to me...Kevin Garnett deserves better.  Whenever I watch him play, I just enjoy his game that much more, the guy just gives it all each and every time out it seems.

Also, on a side note, LeBron was virtually unstoppable (although the Cavs lost) in scoring 56 last night.  Wowza, that kid is good.
Title: Re: NBA 2004/05
Post by: JediMAC on March 21, 2005, 06:45 PM
Lakers have lost 5 in a row, for the first time since the 1993 season, which coincidentally was the last year we didn't make the playoffs, and I think the only time in the last quarter century that we missed the playoffs.  We suck.  Kobe sucks.  L.A. sucks.  I suck.  Etc.  Damn, I'm annoyed.  And Shaq's laughing all the way to the bank, with the best record in the NBA now.  ****.   ::)

...LeBron was virtually unstoppable (although the Cavs lost) in scoring 56 last night.  Wowza, that kid is good.

And no sooner does he do that, do the Cavs fire their head coach (Silas) - the very next day.  Ouch!
Title: Re: NBA 2004/05
Post by: Jeff on March 22, 2005, 10:47 AM
Lakers have lost 5 in a row, for the first time since the 1993 season, which coincidentally was the last year we didn't make the playoffs, and I think the only time in the last quarter century that we missed the playoffs.  We suck.  Kobe sucks.  L.A. sucks.  I suck.  Etc.  Damn, I'm annoyed.  And Shaq's laughing all the way to the bank, with the best record in the NBA now.  ****.   ::)

And you forgot, you fell 1 game (2 wins) behind the 34-34 T-Wolves.   :-*
Title: Re: NBA 2004/05
Post by: JediMAC on March 23, 2005, 02:18 PM
You be quiet.   >:(


Have I mentioned how bad the Lakers suck right now?  Just dropped our SIXTH in a row.  No idea when the last time we did that was.  May have been back in the 70's...

Big, steaming pile of suck, we are.  At least Kobe finally decided to show up and play again, dropping 43 last night.  We play Denver tonight though, which could effectively put an end to our season.  We'll see...
Title: Re: NBA 2004/05
Post by: Brian on March 28, 2005, 09:07 AM
It seems once the Wolves are finally starting to get their stuff together and putting together a nice little winning streak, it might be too little, too late.  Denver is just playing too well right now, and I'm not sure if they will be able to catch them.  There's still hope, but it seems slim.  The Lakers continue to slide, losing their eighth straight to Philly yesterday...at home I believe.  They are still in it as well, but it seems like an unlikely climb back into the picture.  Only a half game up on the Clippers right now, last I checked.  Weird season, but should make for a fun playoffs.
Title: Re: NBA 2004/05
Post by: JediMAC on March 28, 2005, 07:50 PM
Have I mentioned how BAD the Lakers are now?  Holy ****, they suck!  Plus, to add insult to injury, some of the players are finally starting the usual team turmoil drama, by talking **** about Kobe.  Starting to seriously wonder if it might just be warranted...  (and yes, I know what you guys think about that particular topic, so shut it!  :-X)

I think it may be too little, too late for the Wolves too.  Denver's playing out of their skulls right now, and Memphis is showing no signs of waivering either.

I'm really thinking that the Lakers should've chased George Karl when they had the chance, after Rudy T. bailed on them.  Karl's got the Nuggets playing some crazy good ball right now, running and gunning, and winning big time.  Could've been the Lakers, if they had the balls.

I'm guessing the idea probably came up at some point, but that Kobe probably nixed it, for whatever reason...

Eight in a row.  Looks like the Clippers may just pass us after all...   ::)
Title: Re: NBA 2004/05
Post by: Morgbug on March 28, 2005, 07:56 PM
I'm thinking the Lakers should have chased Shaq instead of keeping Kobe :-X  They could have got a ton of talent in return.  I'm only saying this because I saw the same thing in hockey back in around 95 when the Jets unloaded Selanne to keep Tkachuk and Zhamnov.  Oops, cutting out the heart to save the arms doesn't usually work. 
Title: Re: NBA 2004/05
Post by: JayDouble on March 31, 2005, 05:14 AM
Dang, I wish I saw this thread like 20 pages ago.   :P

If you want to rehash the Shaq/Kobe fued let me know.  I can go into detail why it's both their fault the Lakers stink.

Woohoo we're on a 1 game win streak.  Thank you Knicks.   :D
Title: Re: NBA 2004/05
Post by: JediMAC on March 31, 2005, 05:29 AM
If you want to rehash the Shaq/Kobe fued let me know.

Umm...  No.   :-[

Now's probably not the best time to be discussing that little issue really...  :-X



On a related note, apparently Jeannie Buss (daughter of Lakers owner Jerry Buss) confirmed today that her boyfriend Phil Jackson is indeed headed to the Knicks next year to coach.  Boy, he should have a blast with the talent they've got there.  Even with some decent trades or free agent signings, they'll still suck.  Have fun Phil!   :-*
Title: Re: NBA 2004/05
Post by: Jeff on March 31, 2005, 09:45 AM
Even with some decent trades or free agent signings, they'll still suck.  Have fun Phil!   :-*

I've been hearing a lot of "he said/she said" rumors that King James people are saying that if Phil heads to the Knicks, Lebron may just end up there too...

 ::)

Nothing like Team Loyalty in the NBA, eh?

Jeff
Title: Re: NBA 2004/05
Post by: aka DaBigKahuna on March 31, 2005, 10:03 AM
Went to see AI and C-Webb play the Suns last night.  Man C-Webb look lethargic!  Even without Amare the Suns handles the Sixers.  Nash and Marion sat out some of the 3rd quarter and all of the fourth. 

If they would have played the Suns most likely would have eclipsed the 120 point mark.

DBK
Title: Re: NBA 2004/05
Post by: JayDouble on March 31, 2005, 02:54 PM
The thing with Lebron is the NBA money doesn't mean anything to him.  So eventhough Cleveland will be able to offer him the max it wouldn't matter.  The reason being that Nike will make him a rich man.  If Lebron goes to a major market team like NY, LA, or Chicago, they'll compensate him more than the difference.  That's why the Phil/NY thing seems like it can happen.
Title: Re: NBA 2004/05
Post by: JediMAC on March 31, 2005, 04:58 PM
So, you Minnesota punks ready to mix it up in an awesome battle for ninth place tonight?!   8)

While diversity and fresh teams are always a good thing for the playoffs, there's just something wrong about watching the playoffs without the likes of Garnett, Kobe, and maybe even AI or Duncan (injured?)...

Hopefully some exciting, and unexpected things go down along the line.  Especially Miami losing.  :-X
Title: Re: NBA 2004/05
Post by: Jeff on April 1, 2005, 02:18 PM
So, you Minnesota punks ready to mix it up in an awesome battle for ninth place tonight?!   8)

 :-*

Minnesota 105, LAkers 96

 ;D


D-Fence, D-Fence:
The Lakers are 7-33 when the opposition scores 100 or more points.

Title: Re: NBA 2004/05
Post by: Jeff on April 4, 2005, 04:58 PM
Just thought I'd post in here for no reason...

Oh yeah, by the way as long as I'm here -

The LAkers =
7-16 (.304) Since the All-Star break
5-15 (.250) In their last 20 games
3-12 (.200) in their last 15 games
1-11 (.083) in their last 12  games

If they continue at this rate, they'll be winless the rest of the year... :-*


ps.

The Wolves
12-8 (.600) Since the All-Star break
10-5 (.666) in their last 15 games
8-4 (.666) in their last 12  games

Still not making the playoffs, but at least they are trying...  ;)
Title: Re: NBA 2004/05
Post by: Scott on April 4, 2005, 05:01 PM
Kobe manages to get rid of the winningest coach in NBA History and the most dominant big man in NBA history.  Nice job in keeping the tradition alive!
Title: Re: NBA 2004/05
Post by: JediMAC on April 4, 2005, 08:28 PM
Hey, who asked you dumb clowns to say anything?!?   >:(

So, you Minnesota punks ready to mix it up in an awesome battle for ninth place tonight?!

Oh yeah, that would be me, huh?  :-[

Dammit!
Title: Re: NBA 2004/05
Post by: Scott on April 4, 2005, 11:32 PM
Whoop-de-doo.  Its been a crap year this year and I don't see things getting much better.  I think they actually need to consider trading KG for the right package.  You need three (or 2 Superstars) superior players to win it all and they only have 1 :-\
Title: Re: NBA 2004/05
Post by: DSJ™ on April 6, 2005, 01:45 PM
Lakers eliminated from playoffs!  (http://www.kaipost.de/images/simpsons/nelson2.gif)

Ha Ha! (http://www.telusplanet.net/public/djustus/haha.wav)    :-*
Title: Re: NBA 2004/05
Post by: JediMAC on April 6, 2005, 07:07 PM
Don't think I haven't observed all the deragatory comments in here about me, my team, and my fellow Laker fans.   >:(

Man.  You guys act as if we've spent numerous years bragging about our our THREE Championships in a row, or sumthin'...  Sheesh!  ::)

 :P
Title: Re: NBA 2004/05
Post by: JediKnight87 on April 16, 2005, 05:15 PM
Hopefully the Lakers can turn next season into something a little bit better. I think more improvement will come when there is more cap room.
Title: Re: NBA 2004/05
Post by: Brian on April 18, 2005, 09:47 AM
Well, the Timberwolves are officially eliminated from playoff contention now, with a loss to Seattle yesterday.  A capper to a very disappointing season.  Hopefully KG takes a much deserved and needed rest and down time, and can get refueled for next season.  Sounds like Spree and Cassell are most likely on their way out of town, so it will be interesting to see how they retool.

Also, the Cavs freefall continues, as LeBron just can't do everything himself.  37 and 11 yesterday, but another loss, and they are now tied with New Jersey for the final playoff spot in the East...which earns them the right to get whooped by the Heat.  Playoffs start this weekend!  Disappointing that Minny won't be involved, but it should still be a fun postseason.  I hope we see someone new in the title games, and winning the championship.  With the Wolves out of commission, I'll be rooting for Phoenix.  Go Nashty.
Title: Re: NBA 2004/05
Post by: Scott on April 18, 2005, 09:56 AM
There are rumors that McHale might not be back as GM as well, if he is though, he'd like to keep Sprewell but not Sammy C.  I guess Sam was a complete buzzkill for the team in general this year.  They also made a horrible decision in signing Troy Hudson long term, that was a bad move.

They need a point guard badly
Title: Re: NBA 2004/05
Post by: Brian on April 18, 2005, 10:34 AM
Yeah, a lot of things needing some work it seems.  Plus, I'd personally like to see them get at least a little younger, and just let guys like Spree and Cassell go.  Hopefully they can find some able replacements, and start to get this ship sailing right again.  I saw this article on ESPN today as well:

Wally: Start Me or Trade Me (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2039527)
Title: Playoffs
Post by: Brian on April 29, 2005, 12:03 PM
Anyone watching the playoffs this year?  Seems like things have been pretty quiet, but I guess it is a different cast of teams this year with usuals such as Minnesota and LA staying home this time around.  Anyways, there has still been some pretty good action going on...heck of a game between Miami and New Jersey last night, although it looks like Miami pretty much has that series wrapped up.  The Nuggets pulled off a nice upset in the first game against SA, only to get slapped around hard in game 2.  Pacers took a 2-1 lead over Boston last night as well, with Dallas getting their first win in the series against Houston.  Elsewhere, Detroit looks to be handling Philly, so far the Sonics are doing the same to the Kings (but a trip to dangerous Arco coming up).  Nice to see playoff basketball back in Chicago, as the Bulls hold a 2-0 lead over Washington in that series.  Finally, with KG/Minny out of the playoffs this year, it is my hope that Nasthy and the Suns can complete their comeback season with a trip to the championship.  So far, up 2-0 on Memphis.

In other news, Bobby Simmons of the Clippers was named Most Improve Player of the year, with Dwayne Wade and Tayshaun Prince finishing a distant 2nd and 3rd, respectively.  Good luck to everyone's teams...whether in the playoffs or the lottery :).
Title: Re: Playoffs
Post by: Aaron_D on April 30, 2005, 03:33 AM
Go Nuggets!

The Nuggets pulled off a nice upset in the first game against SA, only to get slapped around hard in game 2.

That first game was great, and I'll admit surprising too, even to the Denver faithful.  Of course the Spurs got some serious payback in game 2, but I'll take a split in SA anytime!  For whatever reason though, the playoffs just seem to be lacking the usual pizazz this year.  Maybe it's just due to the lack of usual starpower though, like you mentioned mosnab.

My prediction is that it's going to come down to Suns/Spurs and Pistons/Heat, with the Spurs and Pistons going to the finals, and the Spurs taking it all.  But when I go to sleep in a few minutes, the Nuggets will be winning it all, in my dreams.  ;)
Title: Re: NBA 2004/05
Post by: Jeff on May 6, 2005, 03:00 PM
I have a totaly apathy for the NBA this playoff season.

No Wolves to cheer for, no LAkers to cheer against... boring.   :'(

Seems pretty quiet in here, so I must not be the only one.  No playoff smack-talking without the Woofies and the Kobes?  :-\

How 'bout those Celtics Brent?

Jeff
Title: Re: NBA 2004/05
Post by: Morgbug on May 6, 2005, 03:09 PM
I was watching the game last night at the gym and it damn near killed me. 

I agree with the frustration that Pierce must have felt, but the refs weren't in a good position to see him get slapped in the face/neck, so the call made was good in that his reaction was pretty dumb and he deserved to be called for something.  But a technical and toss him from the game??  Uh, it's Indiana that goes racing into the stands to whale on fans, not the Celtics.  An intentional foul (2 free throws and possesion) was the right call to make.  The Pacers player did a pretty damn good Gretzky (read: dive) impersonation there. 

Raef Lafrentz ::)
Paul Pierce ::) dumbass, he should know better
Antoine Walker  :-\ some pretty dumb plays by the Celtics in the OT and Walker in particular.  Picking up two fouls to foul out when Pierce is already gone?  Not real bright. 

I'd suggest the Celtics got really, really lucky last night.  If they're going to beat Indiana they'll have to bring a better game than that to Indiana.
Title: Re: NBA 2004/05
Post by: aka DaBigKahuna on May 6, 2005, 04:22 PM
Da Phoenix Express is heading down the road...

Chuga...chuga...choo...choo!

DBK
Title: Re: NBA 2004/05
Post by: JediMAC on May 6, 2005, 07:03 PM
Anyone watching the playoffs this year?

We're big basketball fans in general, so despite the fact that the Lakers sucked total ass this year, we're still watching most of the other playoff games when we have the chance.  Couple blowout series by the two favorites, and some easy 5 game series for the #2 seeds as well, but several of the other series seem to be shaping up to be quite the competitive battles, which is good for the NBA.  A couple game 7's on tap (and maybe a third), so it's gonna be an exciting weekend coming up!  Hope to see the Wizards, Mavs, and *gasp* Celtics take care of business...

I'm very much praying for a Suns championship this year, as they're really the only time I'd LIKE to see win it all.  Love their style of play, and I genuinely like all of their players.  More importantly, I just don't want to see Shaq win it, so I'm gonna be rooting sumethin' fierce against them when they play the Pistons and/or the Suns/Spurs.  Granted, I don't want to see Detroit or San Antonio win another one, but they're the lesser of two evils at this point, so I'd be willing to accept that, if I had to.

BTW, nice to see Shaq and Lakers' owner Jerry Buss going at it in the media again.  Buss nailed him with the fat and out of shape issue again (when he was on the Lakers), to which Shaq continues to be a complete moron and say it's everyone else's fault other than his.  So he weighed about 375 last year when he was still with us, but all season long with the Heat, he's been around 315/320.  Go figure.  Took us trading his fat ******* ass to piss him off enough to motivate him into getting in shape for the first time in about 4 years.  Lazy rat bastard.  Might've actually kept him around this year if he bothered to take better care of himself...  ::)

Seems pretty quiet in here, so I must not be the only one.  No playoff smack-talking without the Woofies and the Kobes?  :-\

Wolves still suck, and Kobe owns you all!  Better?  :-*
Title: Re: NBA 2004/05
Post by: JediMAC on May 6, 2005, 07:12 PM
Holy ****.  Breaking news off the sports wire:

Nash wins MVP! (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2005/writers/marty_burns/05/06/nash.mvp/index.html)

Apparently he just barely edged out Shaq...

Sweet!   8)
Title: Re: NBA 2004/05
Post by: Brian on May 9, 2005, 09:50 AM
I heard the "official" news yesterday when we got back from visiting the moms, and I was quite happy to hear that.  I really didn't know if Nash actually had a chance of winning, since he isn't the "typical" MVP candidate, but I'm really happy to see it happen.  Nashty has always been one of my favorite players, no matter where he's been, just because of the way he is and the way he plays.  I don't usually like players that much that don't dunk :P, but he has enough other skills and is still lots of fun to watch.  I really hope that he can add an NBA championship to that hardware this year too.
Title: Re: NBA 2004/05
Post by: JayDouble on May 10, 2005, 03:44 PM
Anyone watch the Suns game last night.  It's like watching basketball in the 80s.  It's awesome.
Title: Re: NBA 2004/05
Post by: Brian on May 10, 2005, 03:46 PM
Yeah, I caught most of the game last night, and I really like watching them play.  I've always been a Nash fan, and the rest of their team fits with him so well.  Definitely one of my favorite teams, and I really hope they can continue on to a championship.  They sure looked proficient last night.  Like you said, just real fun to watch.
Title: Re: NBA 2004/05
Post by: JediMAC on May 10, 2005, 03:53 PM
Anyone watch the Suns game last night.  It's like watching basketball in the 80s.  It's awesome.

Yep, we watched it too, and their 80's style of run and gun and screw the defense is the main reason I'd love to see them win it all this year.  Just a lot of fun to watch.

Nice romp by the Pistons over the Pacers yesterday too.  Preceded by two other Game 1 blowouts with Miami over Washington, and the Spurs over the Sonics.  Ugh.  Wouldn't mind some more competitive games here and there, at least.  But we may have to wait for the Conference Finals to see that...
Title: Re: NBA 2004/05
Post by: aka DaBigKahuna on May 10, 2005, 04:26 PM
Da Phoenix Express is heading down the road...

Chuga...chuga...choo...choo!

DBK
Title: Re: NBA 2004/05
Post by: aka DaBigKahuna on May 10, 2005, 04:29 PM
Seriously though, I feel rather spoiled.  To move from one great basketball city L.A. to an up and coming basketball city in Phoenix. 

I am happy for Nash and his family, he seems like a level headed and down to earth guy, a friend of mine saw him in TRU in Scottsdale the other day.

Go Suns!

DBK
Title: Re: NBA 2004/05
Post by: Scott on May 10, 2005, 04:31 PM
Seriously though, I feel rather spoiled.  To move from one great basketball city L.A. to an up and coming basketball city in Phoenix. 

I am happy for Nash and his family, he seems like a level headed and down to earth guy, a friend of mine saw him in TRU in Scottsdale the other day.

Go Suns!

DBK
I'm also happy for the Canadians.  I have basketball apathy right now...lousy Timberwolves ::)
Title: Re: NBA 2004/05
Post by: Morgbug on May 10, 2005, 09:28 PM
Yeah, I've been resisting the temptation to lay any sort of nationality claims to Nash.  Apparently has been a decent guy all the way through school and in the pros.  Nice to see.  He must have tattoos though, right?
Title: Re: NBA 2004/05
Post by: aka DaBigKahuna on May 10, 2005, 09:37 PM
My wife was sharing with me that Nash was on a radio station today (Hip Hop and R&B) and the interviewer kept on baiting Nash to dog out the Mavericks for trading him.

Nash's response was something like, "I was just really hurt for about the first month of the season that Dallas did not want me.  It took me a while a month to get over it.  Amare and others flew out to Dallas to talk with me and I new there was a new chapter for me in my family in AZ."

Class act about sums it up.

BTW, Brent I dropped your package in the mail a few days ago, let me know when it arrived.  The post office attendant tried to advise me they might not deliver the package since I reversed a USPS Priority Mail envelope.  I took my chances, I'm frugal ;D.

DBK 
Title: Re: NBA 2004/05
Post by: JediMAC on May 12, 2005, 07:29 PM
Wait a second here...  Has anyone talked **** to Brent yet for the Celt's getting waxed and eliminated from the playoffs?!  Dammit, I totally brainfarted on that!  Naaa-na-nah-na-naaaa-nah!   :P

[Morgbug]I'm sorry, and your Lakers have been where exactly?![/Morgbug]

 >:(
Title: Re: NBA 2004/05
Post by: Morgbug on May 12, 2005, 09:29 PM


[Morgbug]I'm sorry, and your Lakers have been where exactly?![/Morgbug]



 ;D

They didn't deserve to be in game 7.  The curse of Len Bias continues.
Title: Re: NBA 2004/05
Post by: JediMAC on May 13, 2005, 07:04 PM
Pretty pathetic to see the Wizards lose at home to Miami, without Shaq playing.  Damn, if their 3 studs can't take care of Miami's 1 stud, then they have no business even being in the playoffs.  Weak.  That means Shaq will likely sit another game and rest and recover, and then get to sit around another week while Indy and Detroit hammer away at eachother.  Way to give the big fella a whole couple weeks off Washington.  ::)

Bummer to see Phoenix lose Joe Johnson the other night.  Probably cost 'em the game too, since they only lost by two points on Dirk's clutch shot with a few seconds remaining.  The Mavs' new and rather unconventional defensive scheme and matchups seemed to put a kink in the Suns' usual offensive rhythm.  Hopefully Phoenix bounces back in Game 3 though.

And Brent, when are you going to stop using that stupid and outdated Len Bias excuse, dude?!  Is that gonna run as long as the Curse of the Bambino did, or what?  ::)
Title: Re: NBA 2004/05
Post by: JediMAC on May 31, 2005, 06:14 PM
It's playoff time, so where the hell is everyone?!

Nice to see the Suns bounce back last night in San Antonio and stave off elimination.  Really sucked seeing them go down 0-3 to the Spurs.  I really think a healthy Joe Johnson would've made a difference in one of the first two games, resulting in a competitive 2-2 split right now.  Oh well.  Back to Phoenix, so hopefully the Suns can hold their home court and push a Game 6 at least, and eventually pull a Boston Red Sox miracle comeback to win the series.  But damn is Manu impressive.  That guy's seriously got to be one of the best players in the NBA, if not one of the most unknown still, for whatever reason...

Getting pissed at seeing Shaq and the Heat come back for a 2-1 lead over the Pistons too.  Brilliant timing on Larry Brown's part to be in discussion for taking over as the Cavs' team president next year.  Nice distraction for the team there, Larry.  ::)  Pistons' once formidable defense has been super sloppy the last couple games too.  Hope they pull their **** together, 'cause I'm gonna be irate if Shaq makes it to the Finals again!  >:(

Anybody still watching this stuff, or do you guys just all tune out when your teams are toast...?
Title: Re: NBA 2004/05
Post by: Scott on May 31, 2005, 08:48 PM
Didn't Larry do the same **** with Philly?
Title: Re: NBA 2004/05
Post by: Jeff on May 31, 2005, 10:27 PM
Anybody still watching this stuff, or do you guys just all tune out when your teams are toast...?

Yes, when it comes to the NBA (this year especially) I'm a total "tune out" when my team is elimnated. 

I'll usually come back for Game 1-2 of the NBA Finals.  I will then stick around for the remainder of the NBA Finals if it isn't a complete blow-out after 2 games...

I just don't like the NBA enough to stick with it until the end, the NBA Playoffs are TOO LONG.  I liked it better when it was best of 5 to start...

Jeff
Title: Re: NBA 2004/05
Post by: Brian on June 1, 2005, 09:36 AM
I haven't totally tuned out, but haven't necessarily been watching the entire games either.  I've been watching Phoenix play whenever they are on, but it was disappointing to see them go down 0-3 to San Antonio.  I was quite happy to see them pull a win out the other night, and I hope they can get another one tonight.  I think their chances of winning the series are slim, but at least making it competitive would be ok too.  Watching them play the Spurs...as great as Tim Duncan is (and he is), he sure seems to get away with a lot, and get a lot of calls.  I swear that guy travels every time he catches the ball at the top of the key at the start of their offensive setup.  Of course, maybe that is just sour grapes from a fan of the Suns ;).

I watched quite a bit of the Pistons-Heat game last night, with the Pistons winning.  It reminded me of how I greatly dislike Detroit.  I really didn't like them in their "bad boys" days, but found myself rooting for them against the Lakers last year because they seemed like such a huge underdog.  Now I don't know that I like them so much.  They get a lot of praise for their defense, sometimes deservedly so, but they have to be one of the most overly physical (read fouling nonstop) teams that I've seen play.  I guess I'm just not a fan of that type of play, and that is what bogs down the playoffs and made them boring in the past.  Those days in the 90s with the "playoff physical play" teams like Indiana, New York, and Detroit and those games with scores in the 70s.  At least it isn't that bad anymore, but they really do seem to push, hack, and slap a lot.  And, as talented as Ben Wallace is as a player (particularly defensively), he really seems to do no wrong in the eyes of the referees, announcers, etc.  I still think he deserved a little harsher punishment than he received for his role in that whole Pistons-Pacers melee.  Not that he deserved an Artest-like suspension, but his retaliation for a foul that really wasn't all that hard, is what started the whole incident in the first place.  Anyways, again, maybe more sour grapes...because I was a little disappointed in their fans' reactions in that Pacers incident, and then noticed last night them chanting "bull****" over and over after a bad foul call.  I remember fans at our games doing that too....in high school or college....but not as grown men/women ;)  Anyways....go Suns (and Heat I suppose) :P.

As far as Larry Brown goes, it seems like the same old story.  Actually, I think it might be a mistake for Cleveland to go in his direction.  From what I have read/heard, it sounds like he would be in charge of personnel and all that, not actually coaching.  Coaching is what he does, he hasn't ever been the great player guy.  Trades a lot of guys on a whim, and has never been known for his personnel management skills.  Should be interesting, but I don't know if it is the best move for Cleveland.  Then again, it seems like most teams change coaches far too easily and too often these days anyways.  There's only a handful of teams that are championship contenders, but it seems like lots more think they are as well, and if they aren't playing to that level, it must be the coach.  Sometimes it is just plain talent of the players too.  I have heard that PJ Carliesemo (sp?) is interviewing for the Timberwolves coaching job.  That should seal Sprewell leaving town for sure :P.
Title: Re: NBA 2004/05
Post by: Scott on June 1, 2005, 11:57 PM
Stick a fork in the Suns :-\

I really don't want the Spurs to win another one, makes KG look bad :-\ :-\ :-\
Title: Re: NBA 2004/05
Post by: JediMAC on June 2, 2005, 12:25 AM
Stick a fork in the Suns :-\

Dammit.   :'(

Quote
I really don't want the Spurs to win another one, makes KG look bad :-\ :-\ :-\

And I don't want them to win it 'cause it makes the Lakers look bad (or at least not as impressive).  Now I'm stuck with the lesser of the 3 evils though: Shaq, a repeat by Detroit, or a 3rd by the Spurs (matching the Lakers).  ****.

Miami is my absolute MUST LOSE though.  I guess I'd prefer the Spurs now.  I dunno.  This sucks ass.
Title: Re: NBA 2004/05
Post by: Brian on June 2, 2005, 09:37 AM
Disappointed seeing the Suns lose the series, but not surprised I guess.  It also helps me to lose interest a little more in the playoffs at this point, although I still enjoy watching the games.  I'm not really a big fan of any of the remaining teams, so its kind of the lesser of evils for me as well.  I suppose if I had to pick one team to win it all, I'd go for Miami, just because they are someone different/new.  Plus, like Shaq or not, D. Wade is definitely fun to watch.  Detroit and San Antonio is a toss up, but I'd probably go with SA if I had to pick one.  Just not a big fan of the Pistons I guess.  Duncan and Co. should have a nice rest now though, for whoever they play.
Title: Re: NBA 2004/05
Post by: aka DaBigKahuna on June 2, 2005, 02:26 PM
The Phoenix run was fun while it lasted 8).

We'll heres to next year.  They better find a way to resign Joe Johnson :P.

DBK
Title: Re: NBA 2004/05
Post by: JediMAC on June 6, 2005, 07:52 PM
Please God, let Detroit win.

Please God, let Detroit win.

Please God, let Detroit win.

Please God, let Detroit win.

Please God, let Detroit win.

Please God, let Detroit win.

Please God, let Detroit win.

Please God, let Detroit win.

Please God, let Detroit win.

Please God, let Detroit win.

Please God, let Detroit win.

Please God, let Detroit win.


They better find a way to resign Joe Johnson.

No doubt.  I still maintain that if Johnson was healthy and able to play those first couple games, that Phoenix wins at least one of them, and then you're looking at a different series.  Spurs are still the better team, with the greater depth, more experience, etc., but at least having Joe Johnson around would've made the series a lot more interesting, and given Phoenix a fighting chance...  :-\
Title: Re: NBA 2004/05
Post by: Jeff on June 7, 2005, 12:24 AM
Please God, let Detroit win.

I guess you got your wish...

Here's to another "Who Cares?" NBA Finals!   :P
Title: Re: NBA 2004/05
Post by: JediMAC on June 7, 2005, 12:01 PM
Woohoo!  Thank you, God.  Phew!

Yeah, boring series coming up, but still a good one (from a "fundamentals" standpoint) with probably the two best teams in the NBA squaring off.  Still not sure who I'm gonna root for yet, but it'll probably be the Spurs.  Should've seen us rooting for the Pistons last night.  We were going so crazy, you'd think we were watching the Lakers playing in a Game 7 or something.  Damn, we wanted Shaq to lose BAD.  Touch and go there for a while, but stupid Miami went away from Shaq in the last couple minutes there and it cost 'em.  Good.  8)

Bummer that Wade wasn't healthy, but he admirably gave it a good go, and played decently during a couple stretches.  Obviously it would've been a different game had he been at 100%, and Miami may have taken it.  We'll never know.  I'm kinda bummed that Shaq actually had his best game of the playoffs, since I was hoping the lion's share of the blame for the loss would fall on his shoulders (maybe on some missed free throws or something).  But it's still a loss for Miama, and that's what's most important.

I loved the totally perplexed look on Shaq's face as the game ended.  Looked like he was just started to comprehend what had happened, and was completely confused about the final result.  I was hoping to hear some postgame comments from him, but it appears he refused to talk to the media afterwards.  I'm anxious to see if he's gonna start pointing fingers and saying ****, like he usually does.  It'd be stupid to rip his teammate Wade, since he was injured, but then again, Dwayne did take a fair amount of pretty bad shots throughout the game.  I'm sure Kobe's grinning from ear to ear right now though...  ;)

So, who's everyone picking to win the Finals now?  I think it's gonna be another 7 game thriller, with San Antonio barely prevailing in the end.
Title: Re: NBA 2004/05
Post by: Jeff on June 8, 2005, 12:03 PM
I think Duncan and his boys will win in 6 with Duncan picking up another Finals MVP and really showing KG up...  :-\
Title: Re: NBA 2004/05
Post by: Jeff on June 13, 2005, 01:53 PM
Here's to another "Who Cares?" NBA Finals!   :P

Game 1:  SA 84, Det 69 (15pt win)
Game 2:  SA 97, Det (21pt win)

Did Detroit even try last night?  They looked like they were just happy to get the hell out of SA and head home...

I said Spurs in 6, but I might have given Detroit too much credit.  At this rate, they'll be lucky not to get swept.   ;)
Title: Re: NBA 2004/05
Post by: Brian on June 13, 2005, 01:55 PM
Yeah, San Antonio is just handling the Pistons at this point, and I guess that is ok with me.  I don't necessarily have a favorite in these Finals, since I'm not a big fan of either team, but for some reason I'd just as soon see San Antonio win it.  Ginobili has been all but unstoppable so far, and Duncan is, well, Duncan.  I was thinking about a six game series before, but I could definitely see it being 4 or 5.  Going back to Detroit should help the Pistons, but if they play anything like this, its going to be over quick.
Title: Re: NBA 2004/05
Post by: JediMAC on June 14, 2005, 02:34 PM
Phil Jackson's back as the Lakers coach.

Wow.   :o

Not real thrilled about that...
Title: Re: NBA 2004/05
Post by: Scott on June 14, 2005, 02:56 PM
Phil Jackson's back as the Lakers coach.

Wow.   :o

Not real thrilled about that...
Now, they need to bring back the real reason they won those championships...not Phil (I coach where the game's best player plays) and The R8pist
Title: Re: NBA 2004/05
Post by: JediMAC on June 17, 2005, 08:10 PM
So the Finals have been an utter bore so far, huh?  Even though Detroit's made things exciting by pulling even in the series, all 4 games have been total blowouts and not even close to competitive (except maybe the first half of Game 1).  I have a feeling the next couple games will unfortunately play out the same way, and then we'll FINALLY get a real battle come Game 7.  Should be interesting.

So far though, each home team is making the visitor look absolutely pathetic, and far from champion caliber...  :-\

Go Lakers!
Title: Re: NBA 2004/05
Post by: JayDouble on June 20, 2005, 12:33 AM
Robert Horry is the MAN!
Title: Re: NBA 2004/05
Post by: JedioftheNorth on June 20, 2005, 12:56 AM
He is Mr.Clutch first that dunk in OT then bombs in the big 3 to win it.  He always comes through in big game situations remember 2002 against the kings.  I still think the series will go 7 cause hopefully the rest of the series will be like game 5.
Title: Re: NBA 2004/05
Post by: Brian on June 20, 2005, 11:17 AM
Yeah, Horry is just unbelievable.  Mr. Clutch to be sure.  He just keeps doing it, and its amazing how he always just seems to be open in those situations too.  It seems like all of his game winners have looked similar, his defender running across the court in an "oh crap" type of moment trying to get their to defend the shot, but its already away.  At least this game was actually close and entertaining, although I didn't get to see a whole lot of it.

As far as the Phil Jackson thing, I don't know.  When I was a fan of the Bulls in their glory (and pre-glory) days, I really liked him.  Probably because I was just a fan of the team overall, heck I liked Bobby Hansen and Stacy King at the time ;).  But, as I've looked at his career as a whole, I think he is over-rated as a coach.  He has always just been in the best possible scenario (Jordan/Pippen, Shaq/Kobe) for a coach, and although he usually does a nice job managing players...I think most other coaches would have had pretty good shots at the title with the lineups he had.  No offense to Matt or other Laker fans here, but I'd greatly enjoy to see him (and Kobe) struggle next year, just to show that it isn't Phil's coaching that does it.  Amazing after all his complaints about Kobe being uncoachable that he comes back...although he says its "not about the money".  Sure ;).  Well, that and your girlfriend being a member of Lakers management probably has something to do with it.
Title: Re: NBA 2004/05
Post by: JayDouble on June 20, 2005, 02:20 PM
My view with Phil is Jordan/Pippen and Shaq/Kobe never won anything until he got there. 

Being a Laker fan I wanted Brian Shaw to be named the coach.  If the Lakers aren't going to play defense like they did last year, the least they could do is run and I think Shaw would make them run. 

The Phil hiring is intriguing to me.  I think Phil views Kobe as the one guy who he couldn't control, heck he even contained Rodman to an extent.  I think Kobe views this as a step to repair his image.  He went from the darling of the league to most hated player in the league.  So it works for both parties.  I just hope it makes Kobe a complete player again. 
Title: Re: NBA 2004/05
Post by: JediMAC on June 21, 2005, 07:34 PM
Yeah, Horry's just sick!  We were screaming for him last night almost as much as we were screaming for the Pistons to beat Shaq and the Heat a couple weeks ago.  Good stuff, and it's great to see Horry come through in the clutch once again, and further enhance his "Big Shot Bob" image.  Carrying the team on his back for the last quarter and a half (21 of last 35 points for the Spurs, I think), throwing down that monster jam, hitting the game winning 3...  Man, just awesome.  I was definitely rooting for the Spurs last night (after being indecisive about the series in general so far).  I've decided that I definitely want the Spurs to win now.  Seeing Horry tie Jordan and Pippen for the most rings in the past 30 years would be pretty sweet - on 3 different teams no less...  8)

My view with Phil is Jordan/Pippen and Shaq/Kobe never won anything until he got there.

Brian makes a good (and popular) point about Phil having the luxury of coaching the top talent(s) in the league, but Jay definitely points out the flipside of Jackson's defense, in that Phil got both of those teams over the hump.  He's definitely a good coach, but I still think he's a little overrated.  I just think he's a much better motivator, who prepares his teams for games very well (during practice and such).

My beef with him comes during the games.  He just sits there all stoic, with his arms crossed on his chest, doing virtually nothing throughout the course of the game.  He rarely ever calls timeouts at crucial junctures (to break the opposing team's momentum when they're on a run), he has horrible substitution patterns (if a Laker gets hot, he's benched within the next minute or two), and he just doesn't make necessary adjustments during the game when he should (changing defensive assignments or schemes, telling the players what to do or not to do, etc.).  Nothing.  He mostly just sits there and stares, as if he's oddly amused or perplexed by whatever's transpiring on the court at any given time.  Meanwhile, I'm sitting there screaming, "Why doesn't he just do such and such?!?!?"  Dude just often makes no sense once the game clock is moving...

It'll be very interesting to see what goes down this year.  Maybe his first chance to really prove that he's a good coach.  Sure, he's still got Kobe, one of the top 5 players in the league, but that's about it right now.  The rest of the team is complacent, lacks desire, and definitely plays ****** defense - all leading to the lack of a playoff berth for the first time in years.  So if Phil can come in and turn that around with essentially the exact same cast, then I think he may finally earn some real credit for his actual coaching skills.  We'll see...
Title: Re: NBA 2004/05
Post by: Jeff on June 24, 2005, 11:37 AM
Congrats to the Spurs for holding on to beat Detroit.

Congrats to Tim (I'd pick him before I drafted Kobe) Duncan on his 3rd title and his third Finals MVP.

 :)
Title: Re: NBA 2004/05
Post by: JayDouble on June 24, 2005, 12:33 PM
Congrats to the Spurs.

6 rings for Horry.  Damn!
Title: Re: NBA 2004/05
Post by: Morgbug on June 24, 2005, 01:12 PM
Congrats to the Spurs for holding on to beat Detroit.

Congrats to Tim (I'd pick him before I drafted Kobe) Duncan on his 3rd title and his third Finals MVP.

 :)

Yeah well I had Kobe in fantasy and I ended up winning.   :P  That's the nice thing about fantasy, you don't really need a team, just a bunch of stats collectors. ;)  And a lotta luck.
Title: Re: NBA 2004/05
Post by: JediMAC on June 25, 2005, 12:40 PM
Yeah, congrats Spurs, I guess.  Even though Game 7 was close throughout, it never really seemed all that exciting for some reason...  Oh well.

Everyone's saying that Duncan finally redeemed himself in the series and came through big time in this game.  Yet no one's pointing out that he went 11-27 from the floor.  Yeah, if you shoot 27 times, there's a good chance that you'll wind up with at least 25 points.  Still not a great showing from him, IMO.  Parker really sucked up the place all series long too.  Averaging 3.5 assists and 3.5 turnovers (going into Game 7) is pretty crappy from your Point Guard.  Ginobli came up big - not surprising.  Bowen's D was huge, as was Horry's clutch play.  Great to see him slap that 6th ring on.  Pretty damned amazing, if you think about it.  The most rings in the past 35 years (with Jordan & Pippen).

Well, time to strap up now, and spend several months getting ready for the return of the Phil & Kobe show now...  :P