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Multimedia => The Original Trilogy => Topic started by: iFett on May 23, 2010, 06:28 PM
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Caught ROTJ on Spike this evening (again) and it had me wondering. Luke got shocked by the Emperor's lightning for a minute or two and was completely fine afterwards, but Vader only got the treatment for a few seconds or so as he tossed the old man and he kicked the bucket soon after. Granted he just got his hand chopped off and is more "robot" than man, but.....
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He also has a life support system in that suit that was pretty bady damaged due to the power surge...notice how his breathing is different after he tosses the Emperor over the side.
It was also in the script. :D
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Simple: He dies because what in the world are you supposed to do with him if he lives?
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Simple: He dies because what in the world are you supposed to do with him if he lives?
(http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100110203602/starwars/images/thumb/b/bd/WhiteVader.jpg/300px-WhiteVader.jpg)
Sorry, couldn't help myself. ;D
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^ No idea what the **** that's even supposed to mean, much less what's funny about it.
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It's from the Infinities comic series...at the end of ROTJ, neiter Vader or the Emperor died, yet Vader returned to the light side of the force. He was injured but came out of the medical bay in white armor and vowed to help track doen the Emperor.
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Oh, so it's just more Exhausted Universe garbage, then? I see. Thanks.
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Vader's exposure to the force lightning played havoc with the electrically regulated breathing system that he had as his one and only life support.
Bar being in a hyperbaric chamber (like the one you see him in ESB) he could not sustain long periods of time without the mask and breathing system.
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Oh, so it's just more Exhausted Universe garbage, then? I see. Thanks.
I've said this numerous times, but I think it's hilarious when some of you get so angry over EU. Just ignore it and leave it for us who enjoy it. It'll be ok.
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I've said this numerous times, but I think it's hilarious when some of you get so angry over EU.
Hardly angry over it, just had no idea what it was.
Just ignore it and leave it for us who enjoy it. It'll be ok.
Hey, I'm tryin' to, buddy! This is the Original Trilogy section, after all. I was hoping I'd be safe from that crap in here, but it just wasn't meant to be this time.
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I've said this numerous times, but I think it's hilarious when some of you get so angry over EU.
Hardly angry over it, just had no idea what it was.
Just ignore it and leave it for us who enjoy it. It'll be ok.
Hey, I'm tryin' to, buddy! This is the Original Trilogy section, after all. I was hoping I'd be safe from that crap in here, but it just wasn't meant to be this time.
My "It'll be Ok" comment deserved your "Buddy" comment. But the "Exhausted Universe, garbage" sounded angry to me. Having said that you are certainly correct that this is the "OTC" thread and EU answers maybe don't fit.
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But the "Exhausted Universe, garbage" sounded angry to me.
Oh, I just say stuff like that to tweak any Exhausted Universe garbage-lovers who might be reading. And it sometimes works. But I don't get angry about it, just like I don't get angry when talking about regular garbage.
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The "White Vader" is beyond stupid... I cannot believe Hasbro even made a figure of that. It does answer the question what someone would do with Vader if he lived though, and it's a really bad answer. :-\
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I happen to like the EU stories. Whoever posted the bit about Infinities apparently didn't get the point of those publications. They are supposed to be similar to the "What if?" titles from Marvel that tell of a possible sequence of events that could have happened in some alternate reality.
"Star Wars Infinities is a group of mini-series published by Dark Horse Comics, which tell non-canon alternate events that branch off from the events of Star Wars Episodes IV-VI. The individual Infinities stories are unrelated to one another.
No where else in the EU does Vader come back to life in white armor to fight for the light side. The actual EU stories tie in pretty nicely with the movies in most cases.
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I think he "got it", he just thought it was stupid regardless of whether it was to fit with the established movie canon or not.
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Well, I think we can all agree to that.
As to the original question, seems pretty simple why Vader died and Luke didn't. An electrical surge will often jolt a human, but not kill them. It could kill someone if the voltage is too high or he is exposed too long.
Now take a small surge of electricity and pipe it into your TV or Home Computer and it's totally fried. Since Vader was more machine than man, it makes sense that Vader's circuits just fried.
If you want a deeper meaning, you could also hypothesize that Vader was just toying with Luke. Trying to make him suffer with a lower dose of lightning. But when Vader picks him, the Emperor realizes the betrayal and risk of life, so he turns up the juice trying to kill Vader as quickly as possible.
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So it would be really easy to kill Vader with an EMP burst. So if Vader's star destroyer was hit with an ION cannon pulse, his ship would be disabled and Vader would be dead.
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So it would be really easy to kill Vader with an EMP burst. So if Vader's star destroyer was hit with an ION cannon pulse, his ship would be disabled and Vader would be dead.
Hence the giant nipple gun on Hoth....
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I'm going to go with Matt's answer of "what do you do with him if he lives?"
If you think about it - when Vader asks Luke to remove his mask, sure Vader's breathing was labored, but it still worked.
You mean to tell me the medical frigate wouldn't have had a facility where they could have cared for him? Of course it did.
So instead of taking off Vader's mask, Luke could have dragged him into the shuttle and plotted a course for the medical frigate, got on board and brought him before the medical droid.
But then what?
Mon Mothma: Well, thank you all for coming to this after-the-Emperor's-death-so-now-what-do-we-do meeting of the Rebel alliance. As many of you may already know, we have a very special guest this evening... the father of Luke & Leia... the guy who tortured several of our comrades to death... the Emperor's former right hand man... Darth Vader is with us, let's give him all a big hand for throwing the Emperor into the reactor!
Um, yeah, doesn't really have as much gravitas as him dying to save his son.
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The Force Lightning from the Emporer certainly was a major contributor in Vader's death. But given the way Lucas dealt with Padme's death in childbirth? I think if you asked him about it, he would say that Vader was using the Force to help sustain himself. And his redemption from the Dark Side may have brought him to a level of peace where he could let himself die.
Simple: He dies because what in the world are you supposed to do with him if he lives?
(http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100110203602/starwars/images/thumb/b/bd/WhiteVader.jpg/300px-WhiteVader.jpg)
Sorry, couldn't help myself. ;D
That Infinities story was definitely cool. But this look for Anakin in armor was so lame. The transition from black to white was really hackneyed. Why not have him in robes/colors that are more realistic and like traditional Jedi robes?
Keep the mechanical parts as black or stainless steel. Make the leather part of the outfit white/off-white. And make the robe/cloak brown. From a story standpoint it would have been a lot easier to digest than the all white nonsense.
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Even though Vader saved his son and was redeemed, he would still have to stand trail for war crimes. The new republic would still hang him regardless of being a Clone Wars hero and saving the last Jedi from death. Alot of people after the Battle of Endor though the Jedi shouldn't be allowed to exist anyway.
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His death - aside from the obvious symbolism/redemption aspect - tied the 6 movies up into a neat little box. As it was Vader's story - it began and ended with him. Simple. Period.
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Even though Vader saved his son and was redeemed, he would still have to stand trail for war crimes. The new republic would still hang him regardless of being a Clone Wars hero and saving the last Jedi from death. Alot of people after the Battle of Endor though the Jedi shouldn't be allowed to exist anyway.
Exactly what I was going to say. If Vader survived, he would have had to flee to the Star Wars version of Argentina.
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That made me LOL.
Because Hitler's remains became something of a mystery after WW2 for a while, he was kind of like Bigfoot with sightings all over the world and stuff... I wonder if Vader would've had similar things go on with him.
Local Tatooine Hillbilly - "Yeah, we done seen him over yonder in the Dune Sea! He came outta nowhere, then hopped on a speeder and left. He's around here though, yup."
The same guy was interviewed about a massive sandstorm on the planet and said, "It sounded like a hovertrain!", to the intergalactic news.
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I'd love to see some Tattooine hillbillies looking for Vader ala "Monsterquest" or "Ghost Hunters."