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Title: NBA 2003/04
Post by: JediMAC on October 7, 2003, 02:48 AM
Hey fellow hoops fans!  So, who all out there is excited that the NBA preseason is finally underway, and our favorite teams and players are now loosening up the strings on the nearest nets?!  Good to be back...  8)

Of course, being a rabid Laker fan, I'm more than "a little" excited to see Dream Team 2 in action, but of course that excitement is being tempered somewhat by the whole damned Kobe saga...  What a shame that the dumbass couldn't keep his pants zipped, and is now overshadowing all the should-be fun and anticipation of an incredible season because of it...  :-\

I won't get into whether or not I think he did what he was accused of, but either way, it's certainly taking a HUGE toll on the guy, way more than I ever thought it would.  He's finally been doing some interviews the last couple days, and he is DOWN, like manicly depressed and totally dejected down.  He's lost a TON of weight, is totally out of shape (especially following his offseason knee surgery), showed up several days late to training camp, and won't even be playing in any preseason games for a while due to his lack of conditioning.  And we thought Shaq was bad last year!  :P

And to top everything off, the once choir boy, clean as a whistle Kobe, has finally gone out and gotten himself a couple bigass tats on one arm.   ::)  Some big ol' crown that has something to do with his wife Vanessa, and something else that I couldn't quite decipher.  So the seeminly very last guy in the NBA with "non-tarnished" skin, has finally up and joined the rest of the NBA and inked himself all up...   :-\  Not that I think there's anything wrong with tattoos, but it was always refreshing to see Kobe being different from everyone else in that respect, and not taking part in all that...  Oh well.  The guy just seems completely ruined right now - both mentally and physically.  A shell of his former self.  He said that up until just recently he was strongly considering taking the entire season off, but that his wife finally talked him out of it.

Looks like he's even going to make the cover of Newsweek magazine next week, under the title "The Kobe You Never Knew", or something to that effect.  Even talks about him seeking a divorce lawyer several months prior to his affair.  WTF...

Well, I still think that even without Kobe, or with him only playing part time due to the trial, the Lakers are still going to be the team to beat.  Spurs lost the Admiral, but made some other good pickups.  Sacto made some strong moves as well.  And of course, one OCB will come charging in here shortly to tell us all about his dreaded T-Pups, and the strong push they made during the offseason.  If Latrell can keep his noggin screwed on properly, they'll be tough, I'll admit!

Still nothin' going out on East though.  That conference hardly even matters anymore.  Grant Hill's already out for the season again, so the Magic won't be improving much as they had hoped.  Pacers, Sixers, etc.  Same ol', same ol'.  No worries there.  Gonna be another massive showdown from the big dogs in the West again.

So, who are you folks all rooting for, and what crazy reasons do you have for them possibly beating my Lakers?!   ;D   :-*
Title: Re: The NBA is back!
Post by: Nicklab on October 7, 2003, 03:31 AM
I like the Nets.  I'll go ahead and say that I'm a casual fan, and I only got into them after they traded Stefan Marbury for Jason Kidd.

The biggest question I have is how is Alonzo Mourning going to fit into their game.  It should be interesting.

I also get the feeling that they may make some kind of move soon, since they're on the verge of releasing Dikembe Mutumbo.
Title: Re: The NBA is back!
Post by: Scott on October 7, 2003, 09:44 AM
Woohoo!   I haven't been this excited for a Wolves season since 1989 when they came into the league...

Contract Extension for Garnett
Signing Olowakandi
Trading injured Brandon for Sprewell
Trading for Cassell

Our lineup is right up there with the Kings, Mavs, Lakers and Spurs.  One of these 5 teams will come out of the West, And I think it is going to come down to injuries and who has their heads on right.  The Wolves have as good of a chance as the rest.  It is absolutely amazing that the talent of the NBA is so concentrated on these 5 teams.  Gotta give the Spurs their due though, they probably got better than the championship team of last year, like Tampa in the NFL its theirs to lose IMO.

The east is tough, I like Philly, NJ, Detroit and Orlando.  With Darko on Detroit I think they are going to be tough and the Nets unloading Mutumbo is a head scratcher.  Sounds more like payroll cutting then an upcoming move to me

So...I can't wait, the West is going to be the greatest Regular Season possibly ever with those 5 teams battling each other for the crown
Title: Re: The NBA is back!
Post by: Brian on October 7, 2003, 10:13 AM
It is so nice to have some fellow NBA fans here, I always like to discuss the league.  As far as a team, I'm not really sure.  I haven't had a solid "this is my team" since the Bulls disbanded.  And for the record, I actually started following the Bulls for two years before they won anything, and decided to like Scottie Pippen as my favorite player "to be different" from everyone else that followed Jordan.  That was until Scottie got kind of different when MJ retired the first time.  Of course I've always been a big Jordan fan as well, and followed him while he was with the Wiz the last couple of years.

Anyways, to the present, I'd really like to see the Magic do well.  T-Mac is my favorite player in the league, but I don't think he has quite enough support to get it done.  Anyways, it won't matter, because I really think the West is the conference to beat again this year.  The balance of power most certainly rests out there with the Spurs, Lakers, T-Wolves, Mavs, and Sacto.  I was really hoping for the Kings to win last year, since I'm kind of a Webber fan (although not impressed with his legal troubles), but I'm starting to think they may have missed their "window".  I'll be the first to admit I'm not a big Lakers fan, but if they can play together, they could be tough.  We'll see how Kobe comes around from all of this too, I've never been a big fan of his, just seems kind of arrogant to me, but he is definitely a top notch player...and will probably be considered one of the all-time greats when all is said and done.  I also caught a little bit of Shaq on "cribs" last night on MTV, and he looks to have gotten into better shape this year, looked a little thinner...but I heard he was already having heel troubles?  I think with the Lakers, its always going to come down to the big fella.  Don't get me wrong, I think he gets away with a lot of physical play down low...but he is still the most dominant players in the game right now.

Anyways, I'm psyched the season is already here...or almost here.  I'm really looking forward to it, should be a lot of fun to watch. :)  Thanks for posting the topic!
Title: Re: The NBA is back!
Post by: Morgbug on October 7, 2003, 10:19 AM
It's ok Matt, don't feel so bad for Kobe.  Could be worse, his last name could be Heatley :-\ :-[
Title: Re: The NBA is back!
Post by: Brian on October 7, 2003, 06:33 PM
I was just curious if any of you had heard this story on ESPN.  I thought you might be curious to see it JediMAC.  I'd have to say, if this happened, I might actually have to like the Lakers this year.  Its probably doubtful that it will happen, but interesting none the less:

MJ to the Lakers? (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=1632466)
Title: Re: The NBA is back!
Post by: JediMAC on October 7, 2003, 11:55 PM
MJ to the Lakers? (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=1632466)

OK, I know we're affectionately known as Dream Team 2, but that's probably going a little too far!  ;)  Certainly interesting, but it sounds like it's just the Zen Master doing a little bit of random speculating.  Moreso, it may just be one of his mind games to whip Kobe into a competitive frenzy!  Either way, I highly doubt that would ever happen, though MJ's definitely done it before, once or twice.

It would certainly round out our starting 5 just a little nicer...  :P
Title: Re: The NBA is back!
Post by: Brian on October 14, 2003, 12:58 PM
OCB, I just found out yesterday that your T'Wolves were playing somewhat near us (Omaha)...wish I would have known sooner, would have been nice to go to an NBA game (we don't get that much here in Nebraska) :)  Last time I went to an NBA game here it was Sonics vs. Bucks, when Shawn Kemp was still good  :P
Title: Re: The NBA is back!
Post by: Snively Bandar on October 21, 2003, 09:26 PM
Wow, another big trade yesterday, bringing yet another all-star in Antoine Walker over to the Mavericks, for... Raef Lafrentz?!   :o  Am I missing something here?  Yeah, I realize there were a couple other throw in's in the deal, but that's the jist of it.

Pretty impressive lineup the Mavs will be fielding with Nowitzki, Nash, Finley, Antawn Jamison (another recent trade), and now Antoine Walker.  5 starters, 5 all-stars.  Impressive!  But still very little defense I'm guessing.  They'll be one hell of a fun team to watch though, but I've gotta say there's a big mix of egos and top notch scorers there that are going to have to figure out how to share that one single ball.  Walker alone is used to putting up about 23 shots a game, so that's going to make a tough situation even more crazy!

Not sure if 5 all-stars in your lineup rivals 4 hall of famers in the Lakers lineup though.  But who knows what's up with Kobe and his trial.

Sacramento will be tough too, but now it sounds like Webber's going to get suspended by the NBA at the start of the season for lying to the grand jury a while back in his court trial for his college kickbacks.

Minnesota's looking solid with their new additions, as is San Antonio.  So it looks like it's going to be the same 5 teams making all the noise again this year.  Is there still an Eastern Conference in the NBA?
Title: Re: The NBA is back!
Post by: Brian on October 22, 2003, 09:18 AM
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Is there still an Eastern Conference in the NBA?

 :D too true anymore.  I have always been a fan of the east as well, but the balance of power is most certainly westward.  It should be an interesting year with all of the team changes/upgrades.  I was surprised by the Dallas trade on Monday as well.  I've never been a huge Antoine Walker fan, and sometimes think he is a little over rated, but it sure seems like the Celtics could have gotten more for him in a trade.  Lafrentz might be able to have a decent year playing against eastern centers though.  I'm looking forward to seeing how this season goes...starts next week I believe.
Title: Re: The NBA is back!
Post by: JediMAC on October 27, 2003, 04:32 PM
Oh boy, here we go again...   ::)

The Return of Star Wars (http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-lakers27oct27,0,1547483.story?coll=la-headlines-sports)

Just what we need as the season opens tomorrow night...   >:(
Title: Re: The NBA is back!
Post by: Scott on October 27, 2003, 04:40 PM
I'm still trying to figure out how the Mavs were able to pull off that deal???

It will be an amazing five team race to finish in the West between, LA, Minnesota, Sac-Town, Dallas and San Antonio all who got better than last year

Then you have Phoenix, Houston and Portland also right there and are all probably better than Indiana and New Jersey

Detroit is tough though, they should win the East

I hope the Wolves get over this injury BS soon...it is going to be an awesome year in the NBA!
Title: Re: The NBA is back!
Post by: Brian on October 27, 2003, 05:01 PM
I'm really looking forward to the season starting tomorrow too.  I don't really have a favorite team, but trying to pick one to follow "more closely".  Either way, its going to be a great year for hoops I think.  I've always been a big NBA fan, and followed the Bulls religiously from 88-98, but things weren't the same after they broke the Bulls up, so I've been looking for a team ever since.  I really enjoy Tracy McGrady's game, so maybe it will be Magic (even though they have basically zero chance at a title, as with the majority of the Eastern conference).  Anyways, like OCB said, the west should be a tremendous race to keep an eye on.  The Mavs could be shooting for several 150 point games this year too, when everyone's on.  I'll admit I'm not the biggest Laker fan either (although I can admit they are a very good team), so the Shaq/Kobe thing is kind of funny to me, but I'm sure they will be dominant regardless of if they are getting along or not (I'm not so sure they ever REALLY have).  Watching some of the young guys (LeBron, Melo) should be fun too.  I hope people don't expect too much from "King James", but I do think he has the skills to be really good.  I think Carmelo might have the better year this year though.  Anyways, should be fun, can't wait for it all to start tomorrow night...good luck to all of your teams on the upcoming season though, hope its a great one :).
Title: Re: The NBA is back!
Post by: JediMAC on October 29, 2003, 03:27 AM
Well, Dream Team 2 got off to a pretty good start tonight, sans Kobe who was out with a not-fully recuperated knee.  Still whipped the Mavs pretty good, holding a solid double digit lead nearly throughout.  The starting five each scored between 15 and 21 points, while Malone and Payton both narrowly missed logging a triple double!   8)  Shot 51% overall, and had a whopping 31 assists compared to only 10 total turnovers.  Excellent basketball all the way around.  Just too bad it didn't include Kobe.  I'm sure folks would argue that we play better team ball without the 'Kid', but I definitely think that we're a better team with him on the floor...

San Antonio also narrowly squeeked one out over the Suns...
Title: Re: The NBA is back!
Post by: Brian on October 29, 2003, 09:44 AM
Yeah, the Lakers really looked pretty good tonight.  Payton (and Malone for that matter) really seem to fit in perfectly, and will help to get the fast break moving again in L.A.  San Antonio only led for 45 seconds of their game, but I guess it was the most important 45 seconds :).  Looking forward to a lot more action tonight, including the regular season debut of "King James".  Hopefully people won't expect too much from him too soon, but they probably will.
Title: Re: The NBA is back!
Post by: JediMAC on October 30, 2003, 02:27 AM
Well, the kid lived up to the hype - at least for tonight.  LeBron dropped 25 points, 9 assists, 6 boards, 4 steals, and several hi-light plays on Sacto.  He even kept them right in the game up until the last minute and a half when the Kings finally pulled away.  He looked good.  Got his teammates involved, picked his shots pretty well and didn't force anything.  I'm pretty impressed!  Not impressed at all with ESPN choosing to air the overtime of the Knicks/Magic game rather than LeBron's first 10 professional points scored though!  That was pathetic, and very poor choice on their part...   >:(

On a better note - the Spurs got spanked by the happless... Nuggets?!?   :o

Good stuff!  Hell, even Kobe and Shaq have purportedly kissed and made up, and are all buddy-buddy again...   8)
Title: Re: The NBA is back!
Post by: Brian on October 30, 2003, 09:05 AM
A great "bigger" opening night of NBA last night.  I too was very impressed with LeBron, and he played much better than I even thought he would.  Although I don't expect him to play that well every single game (and no one should really), he has a lot of skills and looks like he could be a tremendous player.  What I'm impressed with more than anything is his court vision and passing skills.  Also, the new-look Nugs beating up on San Anton, Air Canada making a comeback (which I'm glad), and another ugly Knicks game (glad T-Mac and the Magic got the win though).  Looks to be a fun year of NBA action.
Title: Re: The NBA is back!
Post by: Brian on October 31, 2003, 02:31 PM
A near triple-double by "King James" last night.  Although I'm sure he will have some rought games, he continues to exceed my expectations for him.  Too bad they can't win a game here or there though, although a three game west trip to Sacto, Phx, and Portland isn't the best way to start a season :).
Title: Re: The NBA is back!
Post by: JediMAC on October 31, 2003, 05:23 PM
Where the hell'd that nutty T-Wolves fanatic go...?!  Maybe someone should drop him a line in case he doesn't realize that the season actually already started...   :P

Yeah, another good game for King James (despite the 7 turnovers).  On the other hand, Carmelo Anthony is looking pretty crappy over on the Nuggets, so it looks like all those naysayers predicting Carmelo for ROY instead of LeBron might be sadly mistaken.

What's that?  Oh, you say we're only 2 games into the season so it's a little early to judge?  Yeah, I suppose so, but what the hell...   :P
Title: Re: The NBA is back!
Post by: JediMAC on November 1, 2003, 12:41 PM
Scott?  61...?   :o   ???
Title: Re: The NBA is back!
Post by: Scott on November 1, 2003, 03:24 PM
Yeah it was a horrible game.  They shot like crap and played horrible D.  Overall very sloppy...

I think they were 0-12 to start the game and were down 10-0 it was ugly :-\
Title: Re: The NBA is back!
Post by: Snively Bandar on November 5, 2003, 03:08 PM
There sure seems to be a lot of parity in the league this year.  After just 3 or 4 games, there's only 2 undefeated teams left in the league.  One obvious one (Lakers) and one lucky one (Sonics, who have only played the hapless Clippers twice).  A lot of the better teams are taking some surprising losses too.

Not to mention a lot of topline all-star players are currently injured, like Ray Allen, Chris Webber, Elton Brand, Stackhouse, Tim Duncan, Mashburn, Szcerbiak, Pippen, etc.  Hope to see them all back in action soon, since the NBA is not as fun without them.

I just enjoy watching some of those great run-and-gun, excellent passing teams like the Kings, Mavs and Lakers.  Makes it seem like we're back in the 80's again with the higher scoring offenses.  Those were the days!   8)

Anyone see the story that's making the rounds that Phil Jackson orchestrated that whole feud between Shaq and Kobe a week or two ago?  Pretty interesting.  Makes you wonder.
Title: Re: The NBA is back!
Post by: Scott on November 5, 2003, 03:19 PM
Can you believe how craptacular teams are both shooting and scoring this year???  The Wolves scored 61 last Friday and then held the Raptors to 56 the next night!

The Nuggets scored 7 points in one quarter!

Something is wrong...short training camps, lack of talent...something is wrong :-\
Title: Re: The NBA is back!
Post by: Brian on November 5, 2003, 03:51 PM
I agree, this scoring (lack of) is ridiculous.  I really hope that the teams get things figured out, so that we can get back to the high scoring days!  I can understand some 80 point, even 70 point games, but 60's and 50's is a bit too low.  Hopefully it is just early, and things will improve....although scoring has been down in recent years too.  Do they need a little more shooting practice? :P
Title: Re: The NBA is back!
Post by: Darth Broem on November 5, 2003, 04:12 PM
Well the Bulls are off to another poor season.   Yippee.  I will sit back and watch the Lakers polish off the rest of the NBA teams this season.  I guess the only drama left will be if Kobe can get through the season without getting hit by crazy fans that might throw stuff at him.  Maybe Lebron can throw down a 60 point effort some night :)
Title: Re: The NBA is back!
Post by: JediMAC on November 7, 2003, 02:28 AM
Eegads, that was a close one tonight!  No idea why the Lakers can't better handle the Spurs without their two best players - Duncan and Parker...  Pretty sad getting forced all the way to the last few seconds of double overtime by the likes of players named Jason Hart and Shane Heal.  Who the hell are those clowns?  Ginobli sure tore us a new one though, nearly going for a triple double.

That's 3 out of 5 victories where the Lakers dorked around and had to fight like hell in the last few minutes of the game to pull out the "W" - against the likes of the Suns, Bucks, and now Duncan-less Spurs.  But put them up against one of the best teams in the league, fully manned, in the Mavericks - and we kick their ass.  Makes no sense, but our play still has much room for improvement.  Granted these guys have only played a few games together, so they're probably still all getting used to eachother.

Oh well, we're still 6.1% of the way to the first undefeated season ever in the NBA!   ;D  At the very least, I think we'll surpass the Bulls record 72 win mark.  Most Laker fans will be pretty disappointed if we don't (assuming no major injuries).  Yeah, I'm probably getting over confident, but what the hell...  We've got four Hall of Famers, so we better be winning every game!   :P  Tough one coming up at New Orleans tomorrow night though...

So where the hell's Brent, and his nonsensical Celtic babbling?!  B?!  You out there bud?  We miss you!  Please come play with us...   :-*
Title: Re: The NBA is back!
Post by: Scott on November 7, 2003, 09:27 AM
They are not going to win 73 games when Kobe is sitting in some dark jail cell in Colorado :-*

T-Pups are not doing so hot so far, injuries (again) are killing them.  They will turn it around though...I have faith
Title: Re: The NBA is back!
Post by: Darth Broem on November 7, 2003, 10:35 AM
Ahhh, the Lakers struggles with the Spurs absent Duncan has rekindled my interest now :)
Title: Re: The NBA is back!
Post by: Brian on November 7, 2003, 10:47 AM
I was really surprised at how much the Lakers struggled with San Antonio last night, I figured it would be a blow out.  I guess they did what they needed to do though, win, so what can we really say?  It makes me think it might be competitive at least though, once S.A. gets Duncan and Parker back.  Great game though :).
Title: Re: The NBA is back!
Post by: Morgbug on November 7, 2003, 01:20 PM
Huh?  Wha?  Basket weaving?  

Whatchou talkin' 'bout, Willis?   :-*
Title: Re: The NBA is back!
Post by: JediMAC on November 8, 2003, 12:27 AM
Huh?  Wha?  Basket weaving?  

Whatchou talkin' 'bout, Willis?   :-*

Yep, that's about the type of basketball knowledge I'd expect from a Celtics fan.  Thanks for chiming in finally Brent.   :-*

Now can somebody please tell me what the hell I just watched on the tube?  Looked something like the Lakers getting their asses kicked by the Hornets, but that can't possibly be, can it?  We're supposed to be undefeated this year, so I must've just been seeing things, I'm sure...   ::)

Ugh.  That was ugly on many, many levels.  Maybe if they hadn't needlessly dorked around with the Spurs for 3 1/2 hours last night, they wouldn't have looked so damned pathetic tonight.

Oh well.  I guess I can settle for 81-1.  I think...   :-\  At least the Kings went down tonight as well!
Title: Re: The NBA is back!
Post by: Scott on November 8, 2003, 12:33 AM
Twolves held McGrady to 4 points tonight...not 40, not 14 not 44, 4...what was I saying about shooting?
Title: Re: The NBA is back!
Post by: JediMAC on November 10, 2003, 06:51 PM
Did I just read this right Scott...?

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How about a team that starts 4 Future Hall of Famers? The Lakers have to be the favorites (A strong case can be said for the Spurs) until proved otherwise

Well said buddy!   :-*

Still crazy to see where the other "Big 4 teams" currently are in the standings, and what teams are above them.  Things aren't right in the NBA.  Party due to major injuries, but beyond that, the LOW scoring is just freakishly bizarre.  T-Mac (as opposed to JediMAC) held to 4 points?  WTF's going on?!

Bring back the high scoring 80's dammit!  These guys need to learn how to shoot the ball from outside of 10 feet (and inside of 24)...   ::)
Title: Re: The NBA is back!
Post by: Scott on November 11, 2003, 12:16 AM
While I hate the Lakers I am realistic...if Kobe goes to jail though they slip to #5 of the pack

The Wolves are starting to get healthy, not worried just yet as the Maves, Spurs and Kings are also struggling

Read a headline over at ESPN that said that T-MAC wanted to quit...I think we have a new Cry Baby
Title: Re: The NBA is back!
Post by: Brian on November 26, 2003, 03:23 PM
Thought I'd dig up this thread for the fun of it.  A little NBA news this week (and last), with Doc out in Orlando and Bill in Chicago.  Sounds like Skiles might be the next man in charge of the baby Bulls.  Sad news about Zo as well, I was really hoping this comeback would work out for him.  A great competitor that unfortunately played on some bad teams the last few years he played.  Plus, I thought if he played up to his prime, the Nets could at least resemble some competition to some of the West teams.  On that note, wow is the difference even wider this year?  Basically the first place team in the Atlantic (East) wouldn't even make the playoffs in the West.  Yikes.  Oh, and what's up with this Ronald Murray?  Another good story :).
Title: Re: The NBA is back!
Post by: Nicklab on November 27, 2003, 02:49 PM
Definitely bummed about Alonzo Mourning having to call it quits.  I thought having a real big man like him would put the Nets over the top.  But, in the same regard, I had someone close to me die from kidney disease, so I fully understand him calling it a day to pay attention to his health.

The most weird thing about the whole situation is that people are coming out of the woodwork to offer a kidney to him.  I'm sure he appreciates the sentiment, but there are so many other people who need a kidney more desperately and are still waiting.  In many cases their family members can't donate to people who need kidneys for whatever reason.  And perfect strangers are offering their kidneys to Alonzo Mourning?  It's just very strange, especially coming from my perspective.  I was willing to be a donor, but the tissue match just wasn't there.  Having a bevy of strangers offering kidneys to him because he's a superstar athlete they don't even know is just a couple of steps beyong bizarre.
Title: Re: The NBA is back!
Post by: jokabofe on November 27, 2003, 03:19 PM
that's weird... i don't think i would donate a kidney to anyone i didn't know, famous or not. one of my friends needed a kidney transplant a few years back, and i took the tests to see if i could be a donor, but i wasn't a good match. but that's a friend that i have had for almost 12 years now, and that's the only reason i offered my kidney. i would never even think about offering a kidney up for someone that i didn't personally know, at least in passing. besides, i'm sure my kidney's aren't in the best of shape. no wait, that's my liver i'm thinking about  ;)
Title: Re: The NBA is back!
Post by: Scott on December 15, 2003, 11:52 AM
Man how bad is the East right now...4 teams over .500 compared to 11 in the west.  Hell the entire Midwest division would be near the top in the East.  Western Conference basketball has been FANtastic

The Wolves are doing alright, injuries are hurting them and hopefully they'll get everyone back after Christmas and they can make a push for homecourt in the Western Playoffs.
Title: Re: The NBA is back!
Post by: Brian on December 15, 2003, 12:10 PM
Yeah, the gap between the East and West is really terrible anymore.  Its really no contest.  I wish that things were a little more "even", it makes for a more interesting season and playoffs.  It looks like it will be a little while before they start evening out though.  And to think, really much of the Western Conference could be getting even better...many are still working through the kinks of new players/lineups (Dallas), and others are battling injuries or just starting to recover from them (Minnesota, San Antonio, Sacramento).  Things could be getting even rougher for the East in a month or two :).  I see the first all-star voting results are starting to come in now, no big surprises really so far...although I am a little surprised Lebron isn't one of the starters...yet.  Figured the fans would vote him in for sure.  Also a little surprised that Kobe's vote total continues to be so high....not that he isn't deserving or a great player, because he is....but if nothing else, he is still an admitted adulterer...I guess fans don't care about that.  Plus, I guess to be honest, how many of the NBA players aren't that way...at least from what we hear?
Title: Re: The NBA is back!
Post by: Brian on December 15, 2003, 08:00 PM
Well, looks like we have another big NBA trade on the books today...according to ESPN.com.  Ainge is at it again, with a trade with Cleveland for Ricky Davis.  Here's how it is breaking down:

Celtics Get:

Ricky Davis
Chris Mihm
Michael Stewart
draft pick (2nd round)

Cavs Get:

Eric Williams
Tony Battie
Kedrick Brown

This should significantly change both teams.  To me, it looks like Boston gets the better end of the deal....with Davis' scoring, and Mihm's strong play this year.  However, Ricky Davis does seem to be a bit selfish, and it will be curious to see how he meshes with Paul Pierce and Co.  I have been watching a few of the Cavs games on TV this year (curious about LeBron), and I'd be happy to see them improve their team at all.  I'm one of those who believes that LBJ is going to be a special player, and I wouldn't mind seeing them at least win a few more games this year.  Eric Williams is solid, and should help take a leadership roles.  Battie can be good, and Kedrick Brown is said to have potential.  We'll have to see how it all shakes out.
Title: Re: The NBA is back!
Post by: JediMAC on December 20, 2003, 02:33 AM
Well, looks like we have another big NBA trade on the books today...according to ESPN.com.  Ainge is at it again, with a trade with Cleveland for Ricky Davis.  

...To me, it looks like Boston gets the better end of the deal....with Davis' scoring, and Mihm's strong play this year.  However, Ricky Davis does seem to be a bit selfish, and it will be curious to see how he meshes with Paul Pierce and Co.  I have been watching a few of the Cavs games on TV this year (curious about LeBron), and I'd be happy to see them improve their team at all.

I've been expecting the Cavs to trade Ricky and his giant ego all year, to make room for LeBron to just do his thing.  LeBron's been holding back so far, cautious not to step on Ricky's toes.  But it's also hurting LeBron's development, and the Cavs overall I think.  I'm just surprised that it took the Cavs so long to dump this turd.  Ricky is, after all, the same player who intentionally missed a shot that he purposely took at the opponent's basket, just to get his own rebound to register his first triple double.  Talk about in idiot!  The Cavs fined his sorry ass for that pathetic display of selfishness...  Since Davis' departure just last week, LeBron's been blowing up!  Went for 38 tonight, as the Cavs ended their almost year long losing streak on the road.  Ricky sure ain't gonna like playing with Pierce either, that's for sure!

As for my Lakers, things seemed to be rolling along pretty well there again, with 10 wins in a row until they hit the skids again with back to back losses against the Mavs and Blazers.   ::)  They almost blew another one tonight against the Nuggest too!  They had a 19 point lead, but it took a heroic (and reviewed) buzzer beating shot by Kobe, who was in court all day in Colorado, to beat them.

Meanwhile, formerly woeful teams like the Grizzlies and Clippers have been playing some kickass ball of late.  Interesting things goin' on in the NBA these days.  Even Scott's T-Wolves look like they've finally figured things out up there in Minnesota.  Must've been that lazy lardass Candy Man that was holding them back, eh?

So how's everyone else's teams and players doing?
Title: Re: The NBA is back!
Post by: Brian on January 5, 2004, 12:47 PM
Looks like another big NBA trade could be going down soon.  According to ESPN, the Knicks could be sending Antonio McDyess, Charlie Ward, Howard Eisley, the rights to Milos Vujanic, two future first round picks, and cash to the Phoenix Suns for Stephon Marbury and Penny Hardaway.  Could be a pretty big shakeup for both teams if this goes through.  Phoenix has been talented, but struggling this year, and it will be interesting to see where they fit McDyess in with Stoudemire (who is injured I believe right now), Marion, etc.  Lots of big trades this year so far, keeps it interesting I guess.  Here's the link from ESPN:

Knicks/Suns Trade (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=1700818)
Title: Re: The NBA is back!
Post by: JediMAC on January 5, 2004, 01:41 PM
Wow, that would be an interesting trade Brian.  Zeek's really making some noise over in NY since coming on as the GM there a few weeks ago.  I'm sure Stephon would love to return home to NY, and McDyess might even enjoy getting a fresh start back in Phoenix where it all began for him.

As for my Lakers, things seemed to be rolling along pretty well there again, with 10 wins in a row until they hit the skids again with back to back losses against the Mavs and Blazers.   ::)

Well, the slide continues, and is getting uglier by the game!   >:(  We've now lost 6 of our last 9 games.  So much for our stellar season and making a run at the Bulls single season record for wins...   :-\  Sure, we've been hit bad by the injury bug, with Malone being out for the past couple weeks (and a couple more to come) and Shaq now being out for the past several games, but that's still no excuse for the pathetic way we're playing.  Hell, we've still got Kobe and Gary Payton, so we should still be winning a lot of these games, especially against some of the crappy teams we've been losing to.
Title: Re: The NBA is back!
Post by: Scott on January 5, 2004, 01:56 PM
T-Wolves are playing without 3 of their top 6 and are still doing pretty dang well, I'd say Kobe's Infidelity may be having a bad impact on the rest of the boys
Title: Re: The NBA is back!
Post by: Morgbug on January 5, 2004, 02:10 PM
Just wanted to thank you Matt for not pointing out what the score was in one of those three games they won :-X :-[  I was waiting and waiting but nothing....
Title: Re: The NBA is back!
Post by: JediMAC on January 5, 2004, 02:45 PM
Just wanted to thank you Matt for not pointing out what the score was in one of those three games they won :-X :-[  I was waiting and waiting but nothing....

Yeah, I let you off the hook on that one B...

You're welcome!   :-*
Title: Re: The NBA is back!
Post by: Scott on January 6, 2004, 11:26 PM
You my friend won't be as lucky

(http://www.startribune.com/stonline/images/news61/1wolf0107.l.jpg)
Title: Re: The NBA is back!
Post by: Morgbug on January 7, 2004, 12:14 AM
 ;D

oh.  sorry.  I meant  :-X

 ;D
Title: Re: The NBA is back!
Post by: JediMAC on January 7, 2004, 01:02 AM
You my friend won't be as lucky

Damned peckerhead!   >:(

Taunt me now, and I'll taunt you later - when it really counts...   :-*
Title: Re: The NBA is back!
Post by: JediMAC on January 8, 2004, 12:55 AM
The Lakers slide is getting absolutely embarrasing.  This is ridiculous...   ::)  Just 'cause Shaq and the Mailman are sidelined, doesn't mean two other Hall of Famers in Kobe and Payton, can't lead the team to a few wins here and there.  3 - 8 in our last 11?!?  Are you freaking kidding me?  Those guys should be ashamed of themselves...  They're playing the most abhorrent defense in the entire league right now, Kobe looks uninterested (or just distracted), and Payton's starting to get pissed and talk $h!t in public.

Not to mention that Patty and I are going to go to the game on Friday against the Hawks.  If they continue with this shoddy play, the boo-birds (including myself) better come out!   >:(

They're not even competitive right now.  They're down 15-20 points by the second quarter almost every game now.  WTF?!?!?

Meanwhile, Sacto's quietly rolling along playing great ball, even without Webber, and the Spurs and Wolves are close behind.  Lakers sorry asses have been left in the dust at this point.  And this isn't just due to the two key injuries, 'cause they were playing BAD before Shaq and Karl went down...   ::)

I'm going to go vomit now.   :-X
Title: Re: The NBA is back!
Post by: JediMAC on January 17, 2004, 12:27 AM
Little surprised that Mr. T-Wolve hasn't chimed in here lately, especially after the drubbing his boys laid on the Spurs in San Antonio.  The pups now have the second best record in the league behind the steamrolling Kings (who are kicking my Lakers ass as we speak)...

Unbelievable that the Lakers lost another superstar - Kobe.  Malone, Shaq, Kobe... all out of commission for a good period of time.  The scrubs had fought galiantly, and come up with W's in the last three games, but we're getting a bit of a reality check in Sacto tonight.  Things just going from bad to worse.

With the signing of Payton and Malone, most Laker fans speculated that we could easily withstand a major injury, or even two, to our key guys since we had such an impressive quartet of Hall of Famers.  Don't think anyone possibly imagined how bad it would wind up turning out this year.  Tough to watch one after another go down.  At this point, Shaq's just being a big wuss, since he was medically cleared to play several days ago, but still refuses to suit up.  Damned baby...

Dallas continues to fizzle, while some of the East's teams are finally starting to come alive - Nets, Pacers, Pistons...

Patty and I went to the Lakers game against the Hawks, where we won by 47 points - maintaining a 30+ point lead throughout the entire game.  Amazing display of ineptitude and patheticness (I know, not a word) by the Hawks.  They looked like a high school team.  But what's totally bizarre, is that after we demolished the crap out of them with only Payton and the scrubs, the Hawks turned around and kicked the crap out of the Spurs in the following game.  Go figure.  Weird place, this NBA is...
Title: Re: The NBA is back!
Post by: Scott on January 22, 2004, 04:26 PM
Aaaahhhhhhooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

I'm just biting my lip because like you said Matt, it counts in April/May/June not in December or January.  What I love is Sam Cassell night after night taking charge of games in the 4th Quarter and throwing daggers into the hearts of the opposition

Whose to say tomorrow night the big three don't get hurt and the season goes to hell...Wally and Kandi are almost back, Hudson is back...with the status quo, the Wolves are right there at #1 IMO...without 3 of the top 6 all year

Big thanks to the Bulls for Trenton Hassell too he's been a Defensive Stud, should be a good game tomorrow night in Wolves vs Piston, NBA Finals Preview anyone :-*
Title: Re: The NBA is back!
Post by: Scott on January 26, 2004, 10:11 AM
Aaaahhhhhhooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

Best record in the West baby, #1 seed here we come!
Title: Re: The NBA is back!
Post by: Brian on January 26, 2004, 12:43 PM
Congrats to the 'Wolves Scott, nice to see them 1st in the West...without their full roster even.  I hope this is the year they get out of the first round (or further).  K.G. is one of the best players on the planet right now, and deserves to have a better team for once.  Anyways, in other NBA News...I just saw that the 1st in their Division Nets fired coach Byron Scott today.  I guess I'm not surprised, from what we have heard in the past, but it still is funny how coaches get fired even when they are winning (of course, the Atlantic isn't exactly winners central this year, I think the Nets are 22-20 in 1st place).  Check it out here:

Nets Fire Scott (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=1718853)
Title: Re: The NBA is back!
Post by: Snively Bandar on January 27, 2004, 02:44 AM
I just saw that the 1st in their Division Nets fired coach Byron Scott today.

Just what I was stopping in to point out mosnab.   ;)  Pretty bum deal Byron got there, and I can only guess it had something to do with his repoir/relationship with Jason Kidd not being too great (possibly a few of the other players too, but it sounds like Kidd spearheaded the attack).

Pretty weak.  Take your (previously horrendous) team to the NBA Finals two years in a row, and currently in first place in your division, and you still get the axe?  Damn.  That's harsh.  I really hope Byron lands somewhere else next year, and sticks it right back in the Nets ass the first chance he gets!  Horrible how some coaches get treated nowadays, especially by their own players.

Looks like San Antonio's rise was short-lived, as they've been sliding pretty badly again the last few weeks, leaving room for the T-Wolves and Mavs to start climbing the charts again, to join the Kings near the top.  All the while, the hobbled Lakers minor league team remains close behind.  Should be an interesting race later in the year when everyone's teams are healthy.  Then the real fun will begin!
Title: Re: The NBA is back!
Post by: Brian on January 30, 2004, 04:56 PM
NBA All-Star Game starters were announed yesterday, with reserves being announced next week (Tuesday I think?)  Here's the starting fives (unless someone is hurt):

East:
C- Ben Wallace
F- Jermaine O'Neal
F- Vince Carter
G- Tracy McGrady
G- Allen Iverson

West:
C- Yao Ming
F- Kevin Garnett
F- Tim Duncan
G- Steve Francis
G- Kobe Bryant

Here's hoping all the deserving players get reserve roles as well next week......some who I hope get to go:  Sam Cassell, Baron Davis, Michael Redd, Peja Stojakavic, Dirk Nowitzki, LeBron James, Brad Miller, Shaq, possibly Carmelo and Kirilenko.
Title: Re: The NBA is back!
Post by: Scott on January 30, 2004, 04:59 PM
I can't believe the fans finally got one right and didn't vote in the Big Lug over Yao Ming...amazing.  If he wasn't hurt then he deserves it but he's been a non factor all year

Big talk here is if KG, Cassell and Sprewell can all get in along with the coach...not sure, but they all deserve it IMO

Title: Re: The NBA is back!
Post by: Brian on January 30, 2004, 05:09 PM
I definitely think Cassell should (and will) get in.  Be nice to see Spree there as well, but I just have a feeling that no one team will have three all-stars.  Who knows though, they'll probably put Payton and Shaq on and have 3 from the Lakers.  Its not like 3 all-stars from the same team hasn't happened before....I remember when I followed the Bulls so closely and Jordan, Pippen, and BJ Armstrong (!) were all named starters one year :).

Edit: Oh, I an agree about Shaq too Scott...if he played all year, I'd say he deserves it big time, but he has been hurt for awhile.  I'm sure he will still get in, and he is having a good season.
Title: Re: The NBA is back!
Post by: JediMAC on January 30, 2004, 05:31 PM
BIG GAME TONIGHT!!!  The Lake Show are going to make everything right with the league once again, by handing the T-Wolves their asses on a giant platter tonight!  Kobe and Shaq are both back finally, and even though they're both far from being 100% healthy, the top team in the league will still lay waste to the team with the top record...  Chew on that Snow Boy!   :-*

But on the off chance the Lakers lose tonight, I never said that!   :P

Hey, has anyone heard how the Celt's are doing this year?  Are they still in the league even?  Anyone know?  Anyone?  Anyone...   ???
Title: Re: The NBA is back!
Post by: JediMAC on January 30, 2004, 06:12 PM
BIG GAME TONIGHT!!!  The Lake Show are going to make everything right with the league once again, by handing the T-Wolves their asses on a giant platter tonight!

Well, scratch that...   >:(  Just heard on the radio that Kobe sliced his finger open at home today, and is going back on the damned Injured Reserve List again...   ::)  The $h!t we're going through this year is absolutely unbelievable.  Not to mention Mailman's not coming back 'til mid-March at the earliest...   :-\

CNNSI.com story (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2004/basketball/nba/01/30/bc.bkp.lgns.lakersbryant.r/index.html)

Well, if we beat you now Snow Boy, it'll be even more embarrassing for the Pups!   :P
Title: Re: The NBA is back!
Post by: Morgbug on January 30, 2004, 11:17 PM
The Celtics are indeed still in the league (farging bastage).  They are, um, rebuilding (farging bastage).  Beginning with the management staff (farging bastage).  Of course, they've been rebuilding since the Len Bias incident :'( (farging bastage).

Go pups. :-*
Title: Re: The NBA is back!
Post by: Scott on January 31, 2004, 12:58 AM
BIG GAME TONIGHT!!!  The Lake Show are going to make everything right with the league once again, by handing the T-Wolves their asses on a giant platter tonight!  Kobe and Shaq are both back finally, and even though they're both far from being 100% healthy, the top team in the league will still lay waste to the team with the top record...  Chew on that Snow Boy!   :-*
Nostradamus?

Your team is weak...Wolves are playing without 2 starters too and they killed the Puddlers...Spree is an all-star he showed it tonight and Garnett continue to prove he is the greatest player in the NBA right now (Duncan is a close 2nd and nobody touched either of them)
Title: Re: The NBA is back!
Post by: JediMAC on February 1, 2004, 03:24 PM
Well that game sucked!   >:(  Had the game well in hand the whole way, until mid way through the 4th when the entire team just quit, and the big 3 for the Wolves just went nuts.  Oh well, you'll get your cummupins in a few months...   ;)

Wolves are playing without 2 starters too and they killed the Puddlers...

I'd hardly say that the loss of Wally Sczerbiak and Michael Olowokandi is equivalent to the loss of two Hall of Famers in Kobe Bryant and Karl Malone...   ::)

On a related note, the Lakers just barely squeeked out a 1 point win in Toronto, and after the game Shaq was being interviewed on live TV.  He was extremely pissed about the refereeing, and during the interview he dropped a major f-bomb, and when the embarrassed interviewer pointed out that they were on live TV, Shaq said "I don't give a $h!t".  I expect some hefty fines coming Shaqs way...   :P
Title: Re: The NBA is back!
Post by: Morgbug on February 1, 2004, 10:44 PM
Y'know, it's funny.  I know the East is not what it used to be, not even remotely.  But at the same time I thought to myself be brave, take a look at the standings.  So I did.

And what did I find out?  Celtics are in second in their division, four games out.  What the heck, check the puddlers (nod to Scott).  Lookee here, second in their division, four games out. :-*
Title: Re: The NBA is back!
Post by: JediMAC on February 2, 2004, 03:13 PM
As if things couldn't get any worse...  The NBA just suspended Shaq for tonights game against the Pacers, for his profanity laced tirade at the refs following yesterday's win at Toronto...   ::)

This season is absolutely unbelievable.  We finally get back to having 3 of our 4 HOF'ers in the lineup last week, and here we are again - back down to just having Gary Payton.  If we win the Championship this year, I think I'm going to be shocked.  We are supremely cursed with bad luck (and some of our own stupidity) this year!   :-\

But at least we're still light years ahead of the pathetic Celtics!   :-*
Title: Re: The NBA is back!
Post by: Morgbug on February 2, 2004, 03:38 PM
Ego.  Say it with me.  E  G  O.  Too many, too big.  

And light years, sweater boy?  I'm guessing four games out differs from division to division, right?  OH sure, the puddlers are well above .500, but how long is that going to last at this rate :-*
Title: Re: The NBA is back!
Post by: Brian on February 3, 2004, 02:22 PM
All-Star Reserves announced today, the list isn't too bad, but the usual list of snubs as well.  I was really hoping that LeBron James would get voted on as a reserve, I thought he deserved it (20/6/6), but there's a lot of other great players out there too.  Anyways, here's the link:

All Star Reserves (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/allstar2004/news/story?id=1726259)

Basically it runs down like this:

East Reserves:
Paul Pierce
Michael Redd
Jason Kidd
Baron Davis
Jamaal Magloire
Ron Artest
Kenyon Martin

West Reserves:

Shaquille O'Neal
Sam Cassell
Dirk Nowitzki
Peja Stojakovic
Brad Miller
Andrei Kirilenko
Ray Allen
Title: Re: The NBA is back!
Post by: Scott on February 3, 2004, 04:06 PM
Can't fault any of those choices, would have been nice for Spree, he might get in as an injury reserve
Title: Re: The NBA is back!
Post by: Brian on February 3, 2004, 04:17 PM
Yeah, I agree Scott, I really can't fault any of those choices...all are great players.  There are always going to be some that could have been on, but not enough spots.  I was especially happy to see both Redd and Cassell make their respective teams.  Very deserving players.  Some are surprised at the inclusion of Ray Allen, since he has been hurt much of the year.....but he is definitely one of the best players in the league, and has played well when he has played.
Title: Re: The NBA is back!
Post by: JediMAC on February 5, 2004, 06:58 PM
So what the hell was up with this craziness (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/recaps/2004/02/04/16761_recap.html), Scott?!   :o

'Dems the same losers we spanked last month by almost 50 points, without Shaq and Malone no less!  Patty and I were actually at that game, and the Hawks looked like a girl's high school team - they were that bad.  Weird how much things can change from game to game on any given night in the NBA...

As for the All-Star starters and reserves, pretty good selections most of them, with the possible exceptions of Magloire (just because the East needed a second center), Ray Allen (who's missed about 2/3rds of the season so far), Steve Francis (who can't hit the broad side of a barn), and maybe Kenyon Martin (who hasn't played consistent or inspired ball much of the year).

I'd have found a way to get LeBron in there.  Aside from all the hype, he's pretty deserving on stats alone, especially since he became "the man" when the Cavs finally dumped Ricky Davis' dumb ass last month.  Marbury would've probably made it, had he not league hopped mid way through the first half of the season.  He's definitely put the Knicks back on the map.

I think Elton Brand from the Clips should've been in there too - 20+ pts, 12+ boards a game, behind only Duncan and Garnett in the double double category.  Screw Sprewell though.  He's written his ticket OUT of any all-star games with all his stupidity over the years, despite his stats and the Pups' record...  The other West spot could've gone to another Maverick, or possibly Zach Randolph.

Fan voting is always going to be about popularity.  I really wish they'd figure out another way to select all-stars (in Baseball too).  Just never works out like it should, plus it's just the same ol', same ol' every year - deserving or not.  Hell, if Grant Hill was on this year's ballot, he would've probably garnered the MOST votes of anyone again, even if he didn't play a single minute this season.  That's pretty much how bad it often is...   :-\

I'm sure it'll still be a great game though!  Wish I could somehow sneak in...   8)
Title: Re: The NBA is back!
Post by: JediKnight87 on February 7, 2004, 02:28 AM
Anyone think the LAkers are gonna go anywhere this yeaR? I think they're gonna get to the playoffs at least. From there... who knows?
Title: Re: The NBA is back!
Post by: Scott on February 9, 2004, 09:49 AM
Not sure what happened in that Hotlanta game , its was the second night of a double header and they had to travel there as well.

Yesterday though was worse, especially when Mad Dog had a chance to win it, wide open in the lane and he blew the lay up.  They have been down the last few games, not too concerned though, this team is NBA Finals material, especially with Wally and Kandi coming back.
Title: Re: The NBA is back!
Post by: JediMAC on February 9, 2004, 02:27 PM
Not sure what happened in that Hotlanta game...

 8)

Yesterday though was worse...

 8)

...especially with ... Kandi coming back.

 ::)   ::)   ::)   :-X
Title: Re: The NBA is back!
Post by: Scott on February 10, 2004, 08:53 AM
Wow, Portland gets Abdur-Rahim for Rasheed Wallace and Wes Person, WTF is Atlanta thinking?  I also read an article in ESPN the Mag about the reason the East is sooooo bad right now...basically it boils down to the way Eastern teams are built, there is no grand scheme, things are always changing while the West (except Dallas) has been pretty constant in keeping big names and building franchises...lots of truth there
Title: Re: The NBA is back!
Post by: Morgbug on February 10, 2004, 10:00 AM
Celtics have never recovered from the Len Bias issue.  Not sure why, but I think it's pretty easy to trace all the way back to that.  Previously the deals had been pretty shrewd but not so anymore.  Now with Ainge in there ripping it to shreds who knows how long it's going to take.  

It's been pretty sad to watch.  Not at all knocking the Western teams, but what happened?  It certainly doesn't allow for much entertainment coming into the league finals.  
Title: Re: The NBA is back!
Post by: Scott on February 10, 2004, 10:03 AM
They said this is not as bad as the NFC winning 15 straight Super Bowls but pretty close...
Title: Re: The NBA is back!
Post by: Brian on February 10, 2004, 10:03 AM
Yeah, that is a good point Scott....the West powers really seem to keep their teams together for the most part, just interchanging some of the supporting cast or players usually.  Of course, there are always some changes (Wolves adding Cassell/Spree, Lakers adding Malone/Payton, Kings adding Miller, and Spurs adding Nesterovic/Hedo/Horry), but the stars are pretty much always in place, and they build around them.

Also, just saw that news this morning about the Sheed trade.  Nice to hear something go down finally, although I'm not sure why Atlanta did that.  I can only assume that they would let Sheed and Person walk right away this summer, and have some cap room because of it.  Portland should be able to continue to "improve their image" with the additions of these guys though.  Plus, Abdur-Rahim is a pretty good player...although most don't know much about him since he has always played on crappy teams.

On one other note, I have to say now that I think I'm "jumping on" the Timberwolves bandwagon.  Although it will probably look like I'm just being the fair-weather fan...I don't really mean to be.  I haven't had a "team" since the old-days Bulls (and to some extent the Wizards...only because of MJ), and I just can't handle what they have done to that team.  I've always been a big KG fan, and the Timberwolves are the closest NBA team to where we live, so I thought I'd go local too.  More coverage of them around here than other teams too.  I still enjoy watching several other teams as well (Cavs, Nuggets, Kings, Mavericks, Bucks), and I know I can't claim the T-wolves as well as Minnesotans.  It is easier for you people actually living in a state that has professional teams, we just have to pick one around here :P.
Title: Re: The NBA is back!
Post by: Scott on February 10, 2004, 10:08 AM
I'll take you mosnab, welcome to the club, me you and Brent will make a powerful cheering section come playoff time

The cap room thing is risky, all you need to do is look at the Bulls who were supposed to sign KG or T-Mac, hmmmmm
Title: Re: The NBA is back!
Post by: Brian on February 10, 2004, 11:30 AM
Coaches continue to drop like flies in the East....Philly's Randy Ayers is the latest coaching casualty:

Sixers Fire Ayers (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=1731658)

There's not going to be any coaches left in the East at this rate :P.
Title: Re: The NBA is back!
Post by: Brian on February 19, 2004, 02:25 PM
Well, looks like it is a done deal now, 'Sheed is moving on to Detroit.  Here's the details, courtesy of ESPN.com:

Pistons Get: Rasheed Wallace, Mike James
Celtics Get:  Lindsey Hunter, Chucky Atkins, Pistons No.1 Pick and cash
Hawks Get:  Chris Mills, Zeljka Rebraca, Bob Sura, and Detroit First rounder (via Milwaukee)

Even though Rasheed is somewhat crazy, he is talented...could really change the look of the Pistons.  Billups, Hamilton, Prince, Wallace, and Wallace.  Pretty good starting 5.

Also, a couple other trades in the books this morning (both involving the Jazz), although not as major:

Utah Gets: Gordon Giricek
Magic Gets: DeShawn Stevenson

Utah Gets: Tom Gugliotta, two future first rounders
Phoenix Gets: Keon Clark, Ben Handlogten

Title: Re: The NBA is back!
Post by: Scott on February 19, 2004, 10:46 PM
Everything is proceeding as I have planned

W. Szczerbiak    16 3-6 0-1 0-0 0 2 1 0 0 0 2 6

TWolves ripped the Kings tonight, tomorrow night the Pistons and Sunday the Spurs (I'll be there), great start to a great weekend of hoops

Exciting!
Title: Re: The NBA is back!
Post by: JediMAC on February 20, 2004, 02:47 PM
I was thrilled to see 'Sheed get tossed down to the lowly Hawks, so I'm obviously disappointed to see him turn right around and head to one of the top contenders in the East.   :-\  I wanted him to suffer some serious misery down there in Hotlanta.  Hope he can find some new doobie smokin' pals on the Pistons!

The Lakers continue on with their season long turmoil, and it's really getting annoying!   >:(  Payton just got ejected for the 3rd time in the last 10 games (very 'Sheed like) and looked like he tried to BITE Speedy Claxton, Kobe won't shut up about testing the free agent market, contract extension talks with Phil Jackson have just been suspended for the rest of the season, Shaq and Kobe keep bickering, Malone's still out for another month, most of our team has been injured for a large portion of the season - not just the 4 stars, Kobe's talking crap about Phil, several anonymous Laker players are supposedly talking crap about Kobe, Shaq's been skipping practices and getting fined, etc., etc., etc...  Oy.   ::)

Nice smackdown of the Kings by the Pups last night.  Definitely sticks them back in the top spot for now!  You go ahead and bandwagon up with Scott and his boys there Brian.  I won't be too offended!   ;)  Actually, my wife loves Garnett and (don't tell Scott this) is usually rooting for the T-Wolves as a distant second to the Lakers.  Honestly, I kinda like the guy too...   :-[
Title: Re: The NBA is back!
Post by: Scott on February 25, 2004, 01:43 PM
So yeah the Spurs beat the Wolves on Sunday.  It was a pretty bad game for the Wolves, KG was tired, Wally looked awful, Cassel was in foul trouble, the refs made some bad calls, they had a chance to tie or win and they didn't get a shot off ::)

Big game tonight though again, Nets come to town on a 14 game winning streak, perfect time to break that streak.  Possible Finals matchup too...correct?  :-*
Title: Re: The NBA is back!
Post by: Morgbug on February 25, 2004, 03:09 PM
Yep, I'd agree on the finals.  It sure isn't going to be the Celtics :'(  I take that recent trade to indicate that they are starting a rebuilding situation.  Well, that and some of the other trades.  Ainge going to get his own way?
Title: Re: The NBA is back!
Post by: Brian on February 25, 2004, 03:49 PM
Yeah, that was a heartbreaker to the Spurs on Sunday Scott.  Should be a great game tonight, kind of wish it was on ESPN so I could watch it.  The more I watch/listen to/read about Kevin Garnett, the more I think he is one of the class acts in the league today...on and off the court.  One of the biggest reasons I like the Wolves as well, I have always had respect for him.  Also...I hope you finals prediction is right  ;)
Title: Re: The NBA is back!
Post by: D-Miles23 on February 25, 2004, 04:03 PM
My Knicks took a pretty brutal loss last night... I knew they weren't going to win but I started thinking, hey, maybe they stand a chance! They did too, until the 4th when they apparently disappeared. At least Tim Thomas and Nazr finally turned it on last night. And I hate to say it because he's always been my favorite player, but Penny has been having some very un-clutch performances as of late... I hope it's just a temporary slump...

WE NEED HOUSTON BACK!
Title: Re: The NBA is back!
Post by: JediMAC on February 25, 2004, 11:59 PM
Talk about a brutal loss, anyone catch the highlights of the Laker game tonight?  Wow.  My boys were getting spanked BADLY all game by 'Melo and the Nuggets, as they shot 60%+ and led by double digits almost throughout.  But the Lakers went on an 11-0 run in the last few minutes, and then had several amazing plays in the last couple minutes, all leading up to Luke Walton driving the lane, and dishing out to Kareem Rush, who hit a three with 3 seconds left to win the game by 1 point.  Amazing.  Two of our scrubs gettin' it done...   8)

5 in a row, with the Kings tomorrow night.  Watch out Scott, 'cause we're back!   :-*
Title: Re: The NBA is back!
Post by: Scott on February 26, 2004, 12:01 AM
What no mention of the Nets Wolves???  The score was 36-36 at halftime, final was a respectable 81-68 victory, my confidence is back after Sundays crushing defeat, I'm thinking at least #2 seed right now with a real shot at #1
Title: Re: The NBA is back!
Post by: aka DaBigKahuna on February 26, 2004, 09:30 PM
I gotta show some love for the local team.  

Go Lakers!  JediMac are you the only big Laker fan in this thread?  I'm about to finish my first year of coaching youth basketball in two weeks and hope to be able to have time to catch some more games, especially in HD.

I had the joy of taking the family to NBA All Star Weekend a few weeks ago.  We went on the day that they had the Rookie and Sophmore Practices.  We were in the second row and got to see Amare, Yau, Carmello, and Lebron.

The coolest part was that at the end of the Rookie Practice Lebron and Carmello did a dunk contest for the crowd.  Lebron was jumping out of the gym, The crowd went bananas!  Too bad he did not enter the dunk contest.  I guess too much to loose if he did bad.  

We were also right next to Laker Great's.  Kareem and A.C.

Then I went to Universal Studios on Monday and was in the Shrek 3D show when I realized I was sitting next to none other then Kenny "the jet" Smith.  Nice guy, exchanged a few words with him.


-Fish-
Title: Re: The NBA is back!
Post by: Scott on February 26, 2004, 11:36 PM
(http://www.sgtfretsurfer.com/Grilled-Sarlacc/c/nute/nute.jpg)

"Now there are 2 of them" >:(
Title: Re: The NBA is back!
Post by: Snively Bandar on February 27, 2004, 02:48 AM
Some huge matchups the last couple nights!  The Timberwolves showed their true form again, dropping the Nets and their 14 game winning streak down the toilet last night!   8)  Tonight's Spurs/Mavs game was a little disappointing with the huge blowout and Duncan getting injured.  But the Kings/Lakers game was definitely a thriller!  I was really surprised the Kings beat them IN L.A. and without Brad Miller, Bobby Jackson, and of course Webber.  But Peja and Bibby couldn't be stopped from the outside.  Atrocious D by the Lakers, and just all around uninspired play.  No idea why Kobe settled for a 30 footer to end the game either.  Could've easily just gone for two to tie, with a whole 14 seconds left on the clock to work with.  Weird.  Can't figure those guys out some times.

Still fun to see a couple great matchups on national television like that though.  Wish they could do that more often!
Title: Re: The NBA is back!
Post by: Scott on March 2, 2004, 10:38 AM
Ugly loss by the Pups the other night...Sixers were playing without Iverson and Big Dog and they still crushed them.  Big game tomorrow night as the Mavs come to town...Spurs lost last night too! ;D
Title: Re: The NBA is back!
Post by: JediMAC on March 2, 2004, 10:58 AM
Yeah, that's a real bummer there Scott.   :-*

I assume folks also caught the blowout score that the Lakers posted over the Nets on Sunday (Kobe had a triple double)...   8)  Aside from the hiccup against the Kings last week, we be rollin'!  News reports suggest that the Mailman is finally coming back sometime in the next week too, so ya'll better watch out!
Title: Re: The NBA is back!
Post by: FX-7 on March 2, 2004, 11:26 AM
Go Nuggets!   Melo, thanks for being the best thing to come to Denver since #7
Title: Re: The NBA is back!
Post by: D-Miles23 on March 2, 2004, 10:30 PM
How the hell did the Hawks beat the Lakers? And no, the fact that Kobe didn't play is not an excuse, I mean it's THE HAWKS!
Title: Re: The NBA is back!
Post by: JediMAC on March 3, 2004, 12:17 AM
Yeah, that wasn't pretty...   ::)

And no, the fact that Kobe didn't play is not an excuse...

True, it's the Hawks, and we should've won regardless (especially considering we waxed them by over 40 points the last time we played them).  But I've got to say that had Kobe been there, I'm sure he would've made at least a 2 point difference, which would've given us the win.  But oh well.

I'm also sure Kobe would've swished that 7 foot, uncontested jumper in the lane that Payton bricked for the game winner.  Then Shaq and Devean missed three tips right after that.  Pathetic...  The NBA's a weird place.  We wallop the Nets one night, then get spanked by the Hawks two nights later.  Go figure...
Title: Re: The NBA is back!
Post by: Scott on March 4, 2004, 10:35 AM
Not so weird...KG and the Wolves CRUSHED the Mavs last night...I'm getting really pumped for the Playoffs right now...21 games left of the regular season...Aaaawoooooooooooooooooooo
Title: Re: The NBA is back!
Post by: Brian on March 4, 2004, 10:40 AM
Yeah, that was a great game Scott.  I wasn't surprised that Minnesota won, but a little bit surprised by the score.  I'm getting psyched for the playoffs too, I really think the 'Wolves have a decent shot this year.  KG is just unbelievable, and if he doesn't get the MVP this year, I'll be quite upset :).
Title: Re: The NBA is back!
Post by: Scott on March 4, 2004, 11:06 AM
Right now

#1 Sacramento
#2 Minnesota
#3 San Antonio
#4 Dallas
#5 LA
#6 Memphis
#7 Houston
#8 Denver

The Spurs could easily drop from #3 to #5 if Duncan is out for a while still...I think the Kings and Wolves are locks for #1 and #2 and I'm not scared of either Houston, Denver or the other possible 8 seeds (Utah or Portland)

Can't wait, can't wait, can't wait!
Title: Re: The NBA is back!
Post by: JediMAC on March 4, 2004, 07:44 PM
Settle down Scott.  The higher you allow your hopes to get, the more heartbreaking it's going to be when you get stomped by my boys in the playoffs.  Best for you to just expect the worst, 'cause I'm sure once we hit the games that really matter, it'll be business as usual (in the historical sense) for the Pups...   :-*

BTW, Kobe had 13 assists and hit the game winner with 32 seconds last night.   8)

Love always,
Laker Fan
Title: Re: The NBA is back!
Post by: JediMAC on March 11, 2004, 06:19 PM
Just needed to bump this thread back up so I could talk some $h!t to a certain goofy ass Celtic fan here, after we stuck it to them last night, ending their 6-game winning streak.  Sorry B.  Better luck next decade, my friend...   :-*

Kobe made a surprise appearance in that game, coming back after only two games out with a wrecked right shoulder that the doctors said would keep him out for about a month.  Shot like crap, but still scored 18, with 10 dimes.  What a stud!   8)

Malone's supposedly due back for the upcoming Minnesota game.  Whether he makes it or not, I predict that Scott's team is gonna get manhandled like a bunch of little sissy-girls!  Already starting your slide a bit in recent weeks too, I see.  Better keep your butts above San Antonio in the Midwest, or you might just be eyeing another first round Playoff exit...   ::)

Meanwhile, off in that "other" league known as the East, the Pacers keep chugging along under everyone's radar, with the best (though artificially inflated) record in the league.  The Nets and Pistons will make it tough on them though.

So where the hell is everyone?  You guys all afraid of the Laker smackdown in here?!   ;D  Or do I just sound too much like 4-LOSW that I'm scaring everyone away...?   :P  What say you?!  Support your "no chance at the Title" teams!  Talk some smack at me!  I getting bored...   ::)

- Laker Fanatic
Title: Re: The NBA is back!
Post by: Scott on March 12, 2004, 01:01 AM
I'm not talking about my team until after tomorrow night :-X  BTW I will be there again, me and my pally pal are going and will buy scalper tickets to get in...Kooooooooooooooooobbeeeeeeeeeeeeeee Kooooooooooooooooooooooooobeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

Losing 3 out of 4 has me nervous, Duncan goes down for 5 games and the Spurs gained two on the Wolves :-\

Teams go through slumps, heck look at the Denver Nuggets in the 90's, I'm hoping this is just a 4 game thing and tomorrow night the Pups will kick the Lakers asses again!
Title: Re: The NBA is back!
Post by: JediMAC on March 12, 2004, 01:30 PM
Fab Four Reunion
(http://espn-att.starwave.com/i/media/nba/2003/1028/photo/g_lakers_ft.jpg)

We're comin' for you.   :-*

BTW, Colorado Supreme Court upheld their district court's decision to ignore the Colorado "Rape Shield Law" just this once - so the accuser is fair game for any and all questioning.  She's going to get lambasted by Kobe's lawyers, and he's going to get off.  There's already rumors floating around now (after that decision was handed down today) that they might just drop the case altogether...
Title: Re: The NBA is back!
Post by: Scott on March 12, 2004, 01:50 PM
If you stare real hard at that pic, you can make out what will happen to the Lakers in '04-'05...here it is

(http://www.jedidefender.com/news/images/3-04/lakers.jpg)
Title: Re: The NBA is back!
Post by: aka DaBigKahuna on March 12, 2004, 01:55 PM
If you stare real hard at that pic, you can make out what will happen to the Lakers in '04-'05...here it is

(http://www.jedidefender.com/news/images/3-04/lakers.jpg)

LOL ;D - I must admit...that is funny.  Almost as funny as your artistic work on Malone's crutch.  Put the crayola down my friend :o.

-Fish-
Title: Re: The NBA is back!
Post by: Brian on March 12, 2004, 02:56 PM
That is funny, nice piece of artwork there :).  I'm starting to think Kobe is going to get off too, and if he is innocent, he should.  The only thing I don't want to see is everyone being all "poor Kobe" even though he was still an admitted adulterer....a label that is overlooked way too often with athletes and celebrities I think.  But, if he didn't rape her, then he should go to jail, I agree.  Hopefully they will find out the real truth in this case, whatever it may be.

Big game between the Wolves and Lakers tonight, both will most likely be at full strength too.  Wish the game was on ESPN or something...but NCAA conference tourneys will put the kibosh on that I think.  Should be a good one, have fun at the game Scott!
Title: Re: The NBA is back!
Post by: Scott on March 12, 2004, 04:48 PM
If you stare real hard at that pic, you can make out what will happen to the Lakers in '04-'05...here it is

(http://www.jedidefender.com/news/images/3-04/lakers.jpg)

LOL ;D - I must admit...that is funny.  Almost as funny as your artistic work on Malone's crutch.  Put the crayola down my friend :o.

-Fish-
Sign me up ILM!
Title: Re: The NBA is back!
Post by: JediMAC on March 12, 2004, 05:05 PM
That is funny, nice piece of artwork there :).

Don't encourage him Brian!  Scott's artwork sucks!

We'll see who's laughing in less than 6 hours!   :-*

BTW, this will actually be the first game ALL SEASON that we've had our complete team together, since Rick Fox was still out when Malone was still in.

My prediction:  Lakers go undefeated the rest of the regular season.  You heard it here first.   8)   ;)

Looks like the Isaiah just took the risk of bringing Vin Baker over to the Knicks.  Should be interesting to see how long he lasts in that town...
Title: Re: The NBA is back!
Post by: Brian on March 12, 2004, 05:11 PM
Yeah, the Vin-man is kind of a sad story.  I hope for his sake that he gets his life in order.  I don't know why everyone was making quite as big of a deal about who would sign him, as I don't know if he is all that great anymore.  Maybe a 10 and 6 type of guy, but those aren't exactly impossible to find anymore.  Not surprised the Knicks picked him up though, Isaiah is on a spree over there.  Should be a dandy tonight, with full lineups in tact.  Hope it is a great game, where everyone plays well....and that's all :).
Title: Re: The NBA is back!
Post by: JediMAC on March 12, 2004, 05:17 PM
Hope it is a great game, where everyone plays well....and the Timberwolves win  :-*

Uh...  Maybe I misread your post there Brian, but it looked like you just said you wanted the T-Wolves to beat the Lakers.  That's not what you really meant though, right?  'Cause we're good pals, and I hook you up with lots of Star Wars figures since Nebraska's rather dry...  So you wouldn't really say something mean like that about my boys, correct?

Remember that VOTC case I pre-ordered for you at EE?

You're a Laker fan.  Just made a little typo there, I'm sure.  That's understandable, so please feel free to go back and correct it, 'cause I'd hate to have to send your VOTC figures to someone like Morgbug instead...   :-*

Thanks for understanding!  (and no, this isn't blackmail!  ;))
Title: Re: The NBA is back!
Post by: Brian on March 12, 2004, 05:25 PM
Well, when you've got me, you've got me Matt.  Hopefully everything is fixed to your liking  :-*  Can we still be friends? ;)  [whisper]go wolves[/whisper]
Title: Re: The NBA is back!
Post by: JediMAC on March 12, 2004, 06:01 PM
Well, when you've got me, you've got me Matt.  Hopefully everything is fixed to your liking  :-*

Well, I suppose that's a little better Bri.  You could've just switched the teams names though.   :-\

Can we still be friends? ;)

Hmmm...  I'll think about it...

[whisper]go wolves[/whisper]

Yeah, I'm gonna have to say no for now.  At least until you've sat down and thought about some things, and this surprisingly bad attitude you've suddenly developed!   ::)

Yo' Celtic fan!  You need about half a case of those upcoming VOTC figures?  I've got some (pre-ordered) extras that have suddenly become available...   ;)

I'm just curious what kinda strings Scott's pulling behind the scenes here in this strangely developing situation.   >:(  Whatever he's up to, I'm gonna get him back!   :-X
Title: Re: The NBA is back!
Post by: Brian on March 12, 2004, 06:19 PM
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Well, when you've got me, you've got me Matt.  Hopefully everything is fixed to your liking

Well, I suppose that's a little better Bri.  You could've just switched the teams names though.

Quote from: mosnab on Today at 04:25 PM
Can we still be friends?

Hmmm...  I'll think about it...

Quote from: mosnab on Today at 04:25 PM
[whisper]go wolves[/whisper]

Yeah, I'm gonna have to say no for now.  At least until you've sat down and thought about some things, and this surprisingly bad attitude you've suddenly developed!

Yo' Celtic fan!  You need about half a case of those upcoming VOTC figures?  I've got some (pre-ordered) extras that have suddenly become available...

I'm just curious what kinda strings Scott's pulling behind the scenes here in this strangely developing situation.    Whatever he's up to, I'm gonna get him back!  

Ok, ok....go....er, um.....go NBA LAKERS!  I hope EVERYONE'S teams do the best!  I can't stop using exclamation points!  How exciting!  Now can we be friends again?  :-[
Title: Re: The NBA is back!
Post by: JediMAC on March 12, 2004, 07:13 PM
There, now we can be pals again!   8)

Uh...  That wasn't abusing my moderating powers at all, was it?!   ;D   :-*
Title: Re: The NBA is back!
Post by: D-Miles23 on March 12, 2004, 11:44 PM
What in hell is the purpose of the thrice damned .3 second rule?! Who is that really helping? For those who don't know the .3 second rule it basically says that if there is less then .3 seconds then a team cannot gain possession of the ball during an inbound pass. Why am I complaining, you ask? Because Nazr Mohammed's freaking dunk should've counted!
Title: Re: The NBA is back!
Post by: JediMAC on March 12, 2004, 11:55 PM
We'll see who's laughing in less than 6 hours!   :-*
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My prediction:  Lakers go undefeated the rest of the regular season.  You heard it here first.   8)   ;)

 :-[

 ::)

 >:(

 :-X

Well, if you got into the game Scott, at least you got your "W", but you sure didn't get your money's worth - 'cause that sure as $h!t wasn't the Lakers out there...   ::)  Guess Malone wasn't green lighted for much action after all, and Kobe's shoulder is still so jacked up he can't hit the broad side of a barn right now (he shot 4-16 in the last game as well).  Not to mention Shaq had his arms pinned to his body or locked up by Wolves all night long.  Amazing what the refs let people get away with now.

You could tell that Shaq was really close to completely snapping, and starting a fight throughout most of the second half.  Hell, during the 4th quarter, Madsen was leaning into Shaq so much that he was almost parallel to the floor, instead of standing upright.  Pretty bizarre looking.  If Shaq had half a brain, he would've just stepped aside every time, and let Madsen fall on his face!

And what's with Hudson becoming Michael Jordan every time we play you?!  He's not like that all the time is he, otherwise he'd be the freaking league MVP every year.  Fortunately, I missed 2/3rds of the game while I was spending an hour and a half in traffic trying to get home tonight.  That was really fun too.

Stupid Lakers.
Title: Re: The NBA is back!
Post by: JediMAC on March 12, 2004, 11:59 PM
What in hell is the purpose of the thrice damned .3 second rule?! Who is that really helping? For those who don't know the .3 second rule it basically says that if there is less then .3 seconds then a team cannot gain possession of the ball during an inbound pass. Why am I complaining, you ask? Because Nazr Mohammed's freaking dunk should've counted!

Well, I didn't see the dunk you're talking about, but I know that you basically aren't allowed to get a shot off in that amount of time, including a dunk.  You can just "tip" the ball, and that's about it.  If he actually had the ball in his hand(s) for that dunk, they would've waived it off, I'd imagine.  Was it an alley-oop from out of bounds, or something?  I'll have to take a gander during Sports Center tonight...
Title: Re: The NBA is back!
Post by: Scott on March 13, 2004, 02:50 PM
I KNEW you were going to have excuses up the Ing Yang for that pathetic performance last night by the Lakers...they were HORRIBLE.  I saw a team that was not at all interested in the game, a big fat ass oaf who is allowed to do what ever the hell he wants inside and stands there for 10 seconds, an alledged rapist shooting 1 for 13 at one point, a whiney Point Guard who was bitching at the refs all night long and a decripit Power forward who should have hung up the shorts with his pal from utah

They were never even in the game, Hudson is an animal against the Lakers and him along with Madsen were the key to the rout, they out hustled, out shot and out played the Lakers from the middle of the second period on...

I'm not a big Wally guy right now, he looks lost...I am a big Sprewell guy though, he's crazy

OCB footnote, the last two games I have went to at Target Center (last night and the Spurs game two weeks ago) were all time attendence records for Wolves games...

Great game, statement game...lets hope it carries on for a few games and they can gain some ground on the Spurs again
Title: Re: The NBA is back!
Post by: JediMAC on March 15, 2004, 01:47 PM
Great game, statement game...lets hope it carries on for a few games...

Or not... (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2004/basketball/nba/03/14/bc.bkn.trailblazers.tim.ap/index.html)   :-*

But you were right about Hudson and Madsen being the ones who really turned the tide and momentum in that Laker game, with their insane energy.  So really you guys only won because we gave you the Mad Dog.  That's all.

What hurt even worse, which I hadn't realized at the time of that game, is that that gave you a 3-0 series lead on us this year and the tiebreaker that goes with it if we by chance wind up even in the standings at the end of the season.  Damned lazy and uninspired idiots.   >:(
Title: Re: The NBA is back!
Post by: JediMAC on March 17, 2004, 08:38 PM
Did anyone catch the game highlites of the Lakers against the Magic the other night?  Kobe got his freak on hardcore in the second half, after scoring all of 1 point in the first half.  Tallied 35 in the second half (and 2 more in OT), including 24 in the 4th quarter (17 in a row at one point) to lead the Lakers back from a 19 point deficit, and to an overtime win.  Kobe also clamped down on T-Mac in the 4th and overtime, holding him to a measely 5 points after he exploded on the other Laker defenders for the first 3 quarters.

We're just nippin' at the Pups heels for second best record in the West now.  That loss to them the other night really hurt, 'cause it gave them the tie breaker against us...   :-\  Not too concerned about it though, 'cause #4 is already a done deal!   8)

- Laker fan
Title: Re: The NBA is back!
Post by: JediMAC on March 22, 2004, 08:25 PM
Who can take a good team?/ Mess up all its flow/ Stand around and clog the middle/ So K.G. has nowhere to go?/ The Kandi Man can/ The Kandi Man can/ The Kandi Man can...

 ;D

Saw that on CNNSI.com, and had to share!   :-*
Title: Re: The NBA is back!
Post by: Scott on March 22, 2004, 10:14 PM
Nice...the guy is an awesome Defender and Rebounder.  He's got no clue on O though, no clue at all.  Ervin "The non-HIV" Johnson actually has been starting lately if that says anything.  Kandi has a place on the court, he just shouldn't be touching the ball on O
Title: Re: The NBA is back!
Post by: Scott on March 27, 2004, 01:27 AM
Shitbox, got their asses handed to them tonight :-\

#3 #4 #5 Seed here we come :'(  How can you dominate for the whole damn year and blow it in the last 10 games ???  I mean seriously

Disgusted in Saint Paul
Title: Re: The NBA is back!
Post by: JediMAC on March 27, 2004, 05:08 AM
How can you dominate for the whole damn year and blow it in the last 10 games ???

Well, let's be honest here...  The Lakers dominated the first quarter of the year, going 18-3 before the injuries hit.  Then the T-Wolves (and Kings) dominated for the middle two quarters of the season, but have both gone into the tank over the last 15 games, with 10 to go.  So the Lakers are going to wind up dominating the last quarter of the year, just like the first.

But yeah - after the blowouts against you guys and the Queens, I think most people are thinking we're definitely the team to beat now.  Personally, I'm hoping we finish the regular season and the playoffs undefeated...   8)

So where the hell was Hudson tonight?!  Yeah, I guess his ankle was kinda tweaked, but man, he couldn't hit the broad side of a barn!  Garnett was way off too.  But hey, at least you guys took 3 of 4 from us - the first time your franchise ever won the season series against the Lakers.  Not bad!

Look at it this way though, if we climb to the #1 spot, and you guys hang on to #3, you guys stand a chance of actually winning two playoff rounds this year!   ;)

I'll shut up now, to let you wallow in your misery...   :-*
Title: Re: The NBA is back!
Post by: Morgbug on March 27, 2004, 11:29 AM
Man, parts of this conversation look just like they did last year.  Sure was nice to see the Lakers go all the way last year :-*
Title: Re: The NBA is back!
Post by: JediMAC on March 28, 2004, 03:05 AM
You better watch yourself, you sorry ass leprechaun lover!   :-X
Title: Re: The NBA is back!
Post by: Morgbug on March 28, 2004, 11:13 PM
You better watch yourself, you sorry ass leprechaun lover!   :-X

Hey, I live in reality, miserable though it may be.   :-*
Title: Re: The NBA is back!
Post by: Scott on March 30, 2004, 12:31 PM
Can the Grizzlies get any hotter than they are???  28-5 since the All Star Break, they have a great chance to move past both the Spurs AND Wolves if they keep it up.  Only 2.5 games back of the Wolves and they still play 2 times in the last 8 games.  Big win in Houston last night, I'm so dang unhappy with this 8-8 skid.  Right at playoff time.  The thing that bothers me is the inconsistency, beat the Lakers and Spurs, lose the Nuggets and Blazers ::)
Title: Re: The NBA is back!
Post by: Scott on April 7, 2004, 10:29 AM
Well Well Well...Lakers lose their 2nd straight and are in danger of falling to the #4 seed!!! ;D

Kings and Wolves play tomorrow night, Lakers and Kings play Sunday.  Spurs look like they have the easiest 5 games left.  

What a great end to a great regular season!

Aaaawooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
Title: Re: The NBA is back!
Post by: SPIDERLEGS on April 7, 2004, 12:06 PM
The Mavericks have gone 4-0 since switching their offensive philosophy to "small ball" which means Finley now plays small forward instead of 2 guard and Antoine Walker plays center. This will work for us until we have to play the Lakers. But we waxed Sacramento, Seattle, Phoenix and Cleveland since we've switched to this offense.

We are peaking right before the playoffs. We still probably won't get better than the #4 seed, but we're tied with the Grizzlies for 5th place and have the Jazz upcoming tomorrow night.

GO MAVS!
Title: Re: The NBA is back!
Post by: Jeff on April 7, 2004, 12:31 PM
Well, the seasons almost over, so it must be time for me to jump on the T-Wolves bandwagon like a good MN fan is expected to do...

Go Wolves!  Hopefully they'll win enough games this year to make it out of the first round... or at least enough to have more Playoff wins then the Wild.  

T-Wolves Post-Season Record:   7-22 (7 playoff appearances)
MN Wild Post-Season Record:     8-10 (1 playoff appearance)

Jeff
Title: Re: The NBA is back!
Post by: JediMAC on April 7, 2004, 01:13 PM
Well Well Well...Lakers lose their 2nd straight and are in danger of falling to the #4 seed!!! ;D

You shut up.   >:(

Good thing I didn't bump this a few nights ago when I was feeling rather high and mighty, riding our 11 game winning streak.   :-\  Totally uninspired ball the last couple games.  The Lakers suddenly look totally disenterested again.  Hopefully they'll kick it back into gear when the Playoffs start.  This has to be the most underachieving team in the NBA.  Some nights they just step out onto the court and go through the motions, just expecting to win since it says "Lakers" across their chest.  Nuh-uh.  Have to actually play with some heart, and play some freakin' D!   ::)

I suppose Kobe's ICE COLD shooting the last couple games hasn't helped much either.  9-26 and 5-22, or something to that effect...   :-X

It sure would be poetic justice if we fell to the # 4 seed, and then lost to Jerry West's Grizzlies in the first round...   :-[

T-Wolves, Spurs and Mavs are all picking it up again, and looking solid.  Mavs won't have enough in the defensive tank to get too far though (sorry Spider), and I think the Kings are still total head cases at this point, so it'll come down the the Lakers, Spurs, and Wolves, with the Lakers being the obvious winner.   ;)
Title: Re: The NBA is back!
Post by: SPIDERLEGS on April 8, 2004, 02:31 AM
Yeah, I HATE the way we play defense (as in "none at all" or "let them shoot so we can get the ball back"). Has Don Nelson EVER coached a good defensive team? I mean, he played on the Celtics that won 10 out of 12 championships or some sh*t like that, for cryin' out loud!
Title: Re: The NBA is back!
Post by: Scott on April 9, 2004, 12:44 AM
Wolves...down by 11 come back to smoke the Kings...Bwaaahaaahaaahaaaaa
Title: Re: The NBA is back!
Post by: Scott on April 10, 2004, 01:21 AM
Sweetness, just watched the Wolves trounce ANOTHER west coast team tonight, then caught the end of the Phoenix/Sacto game where the Suns (how does that team with Joe Johnson, Shawn Marion and Amare Stoudemire have the worst record in the West???) upset the Kings...

SO..the loser of the game Sunday between the Lakers and Kings will not be the #1 seed, if the WOlves beat Utah the winner is also eliminated (since the Wolves own both tie breakers with the Lakers and Kings).  

Which means its really either the Spurs or Wolves...I think the Spurs will win out...its that last game against the Griz on the road which has me worried.  The Wolves can now be no worse than a #3...dang nabbit...#1 is huge...it means playing the Nuggets/Jazz/Blazers instead of the Griz/Mavs

Any way this ends up...these playoffs are going to be FANtastic
Title: Re: The NBA is back!
Post by: SPIDERLEGS on April 10, 2004, 12:01 PM
"Small Ball" is so far a success! Since switching to small ball, the Mavs are 6-0 and the margin of victory has been over 10 points in each game. Dallas is averaging 121.7 ppg and the average victory margin is 18.5 points. 4 of those teams are Western COnference playoff teams.

BUT Finley is hurt again. He may not play tonight. The upside is that our rookie Josh Howard has made the most of his playing time all season. 5 Maverick players are averaging 14 ppg or better.

I'm feeling pretty good about our chances in the playoffs.
Title: Re: The NBA is back!
Post by: JediMAC on April 10, 2004, 01:29 PM
Well, at least the Lakers finally bounced back a little last night against the Griz.  After two lackadaisical games where they got spanked at home, they again came out completely FLAT, handing Memphis an 18 point lead on a silver platter.

But Kobe finally got them jumpstarted with several SICK plays!  Did you guys catch the highlights?  Kobe got in a jam in the middle of the key, and threw himself a pass off the backboard in the middle of heavy traffic for a layin off the glass.  Then he had a steal on the next play for another deuce (and 1), followed by another alley-oop pass off the backboard from Payton for a Kobe dunk.  7 points in about 40 seconds, and they Lakers were back in gear and squeeked past the Griz finally, mid way through the fourth.

Fun watching Sacto go down to the lowly Suns too!  Can't believe they hung on.  The Queens are going to be having another brain meltdown as we head into town tomorrow for she showdown for #1 in the Pacific.  Should be fun!  Glad the T-Wolves slapped 'em around a couple nights earlier!  Our only hope at getting the #1 spot is if the Wolves lose BOTH of their remaining games, which will doubtfully happen.  Hopefully we can hang on to #2 though, which should set up a Western Conference title showdown between the Lakers and Pups, and more smack talk than Scott (and Jim, Jeff, Brent, et al) can possibly handle!   :-*

Of course, with the Lakers lack of interest and effort of late, who knows...  They might get the traditional T-Wolve first round slap - right outta the show.   :-\  If they do, I will personally go down to the Staples Center and urinate all over the front doors.  So there.
Title: Re: The NBA is back!
Post by: Scott on April 12, 2004, 12:08 PM
Damn Spurs...lose a game why don't you???  Looks like the Lakers will be a #4 seed which means they'll have to win two road series, so much for running the table huh Matt?  Mavs and Griz are sputtering too

Spurs or the Wolves will be the Western Conf champ...mark my words...
Title: Re: The NBA is back!
Post by: Brian on April 12, 2004, 12:20 PM
Definitely going to be an interesting playoffs this year, especially in the West.  Kind of an odd game for the Lakers yesterday from what I saw with the highlights.  Kobe passing up shots, Shaq not getting many off, and just inconsistent play.  I'm sure they'll get things together come playoff time though, they usually seem able to.  I'd really like to see them match up with the Grizzlies in the 1st round, not sure if that will happen or not though.

Hoping the Wolves can hang on to that top spot in the West, that will help them a lot (psychologically too I think).  Spurs are playing great ball at the right time again, and look tough for the postseason.  Sacto impressed me being able to beat the Lakers, didn't think they would.  Maybe they'll be ready too.  And a heck of the battle going on for that 8th spot in the West too.  Mavs have been playing better with the small ball lineup lately too, not sure how that will translate in the playoffs...maybe winning one round, depending on who they play.  Can't wait for all the playoff goodness to get going though, its going to be fun to watch this year.  Not sure about the East, probably comes down to the Pistons or Pacers...or possibly the Nets.  Glad to see teams like Milwaukee and Miami in there though, some fun teams to watch as far as the East goes.
Title: Re: The NBA is back!
Post by: Morgbug on April 12, 2004, 12:22 PM
What's that sound I hear coming out of the west?  Silence? :-*
Title: Re: The NBA is back!
Post by: Scott on April 12, 2004, 12:29 PM
No doubt these will be some of the greatest playoffs of recent times...the west especially...the top 7 seeds could have a shot at beating the Pacers/Nets/Pistons I feel
Title: Re: The NBA is back!
Post by: Morgbug on April 12, 2004, 01:20 PM
No doubt these will be some of the greatest playoffs of recent times...the west especially...the top 7 seeds could have a shot at beating the Pacers/Nets/Pistons I feel

Yup, but as Matt has pointed out before, the Western Conference final is pretty much the league final.  Seeing the NBA championship round go to 5 games will likely be an accomplishment :-*  Meh, more time for golf in June.
Title: Re: The NBA is back!
Post by: JediMAC on April 13, 2004, 02:29 AM
Looks like the Lakers will be a #4 seed which means they'll have to win two road series, so much for running the table huh Matt?

Uh...  Who the hell would be so stupid as to make such an asinine prediction?!?  Surely not I...   ::)   :-[

The Lakers are pathetic.  No idea what the hell goes on these guy's heads sometimes.   >:(  Kobe hasn't scored, and has only attempted THREE shots midway through the third quarter...  WTF is that all about?  I'll tell you what.  He heard more gripes about his ball hogging, and said "OK, let's see what YOU guys can do without me," and then proceeded to intentionally be completely uninvolved in practically the entire game.  Why Phil doesn't chew his ass out for that and tell him to start putting some shots up is beyond me.  Another reason why I think Phil isn't nearly the coach everyone makes him out to be.  He may be good at "pre-game planning", but his gametime motivational skills and coaching leave a LOT to be desired IMO.

I've been pretty unimpressed with Payton most of the year, especially his defense (granted, he doesn't get the ball or the shots as much as he's used to), but now I've even noticed that Malone is getting WORKED over on defense as well, especially the boards.  As much as I hate to say it, and as much as I've been trying to ignore it, these guys are really starting to show their age, and prove that they're well past their prime.   :-\  I knew they wouldn't play like they did during the prime of their careers, but what I've seen from them throughout much of the season is far less than what I expected when we signed them.

Add to that whatever the hell problems Shaq and Kobe are going through, and our pathetically underachieving bench (and the usual injuries), and you've got a recipe for disaster.  If 4 Hall of Famers (five with the coach), including 2 in their prime, can't pull their $h!t together here, you're gonna have one helluva lot of pissed off fans here in SoCal.

Meanwhile, the Wolves and Spurs continue to steamroll into the playoffs.  Right now, I'd have to say they're the teams to beat, even though I still think my boys will pull it together and get the job done in the end.  Sacto even got spanked again tonight by the lowly Nuggets.  They're in the toilet even worse than we are right now!  Damned Lakers...

Go Clippers!   8)
Title: Re: The NBA is back!
Post by: Matt Carroll on April 13, 2004, 02:34 AM
No doubt these will be some of the greatest playoffs of recent times...the west especially...the top 7 seeds could have a shot at beating the Pacers/Nets/Pistons I feel

What - you dissin' the #8 seed out west?  :P I didn't think "Nuggets" and "playoffs" were supposed to be in the same sentence....
Title: Re: The NBA is back!
Post by: JediMAC on April 13, 2004, 02:42 AM
...Sacto even got spanked again tonight by the lowly Nuggets...

I think I dissed 'em a little worse Matt!   :-*  Guess my post was too long to make it all the way to the end though, eh?!   :P

But I'll admit, it is pretty surprising and amazing (and impressive) to see the Nugg's in there.  Amazing what a difference a year can make!  Too bad you guys will only last all of 3 games when you get there though.   ;)
Title: Re: The NBA is back!
Post by: Matt Carroll on April 13, 2004, 10:35 AM
...Sacto even got spanked again tonight by the lowly Nuggets...

I think I dissed 'em a little worse Matt!   :-*  Guess my post was too long to make it all the way to the end though, eh?!   :P

But I'll admit, it is pretty surprising and amazing (and impressive) to see the Nugg's in there.  Amazing what a difference a year can make!  Too bad you guys will only last all of 3 games when you get there though.   ;)

Yeah, true, I don't know how I missed your comment, Matt.  :o

No doubt that the Nuggets will have a rough first-round matchup, but for a team as young as they are, just the experience of being in the playoffs should be helpful down the road in the next few years.
Title: Re: The NBA is back!
Post by: Scott on April 13, 2004, 11:55 AM
Not sure I want the Wolves to end up playing...its going to be the Nuggets, Mavs or Griz depending on who gets the #6 seed.  I think they'll spank the Nuggets in 5, the Mavs in 6 but a healthy Griz team has given them fits all year.  Hopefully Gasol is still banged up tomorrow night...its huge

And you know I wouldn't mind them dropping to #3, that way they avoid the Lakers and Spurs until the Conference Finals.  They can handle the Kings and whoever we play in Round 1, the Lakers and Spurs can beat up on each other in Round 2 setting up a Wolves Sweep in Round 3 :-*
Title: Re: The NBA is back!
Post by: Scott on April 14, 2004, 10:16 AM
Bwaaahaahahahahaaha

Sounds like the Lakers are imploding...accusations that Kobe tanked the game against the Kings, internal strife, almost losing to the Warriors at home.

Bwaaahaahahahahaaha
Title: Re: The NBA is back!
Post by: JediMAC on April 14, 2004, 11:54 AM
Hey.  You be quiet.   >:(

Kobe is a delicate flower, so we must quietly support his decision to sabotage the Sacto game...  See what he did last night in response to the crap he's been getting?  Went for 45, 7, and 8 against the Warriors.  Certainly doesn't make up for him handing home court to the Kings on a silver platter, but at least it shows he's still interested...   :-\

So, let's see here - The Lakers have to win tonight, and the Spurs and Kings have to lose for us to regain the #2 seed.  Highly doubtful.  Dallas (SPIDER), here we come!   :-*
Title: Re: The NBA is back!
Post by: Scott on April 14, 2004, 12:55 PM
I think if the Wolves lose and Spurs win they are technically the #2 Seed, they just have to play the #6 team in Round 1 but would still have homecourt over the Kings/Lakers in Round 2
Title: Re: The NBA is back!
Post by: JediMAC on April 14, 2004, 11:27 PM
I think if the Wolves lose and Spurs win they are technically the #2 Seed, they just have to play the #6 team in Round 1 but would still have homecourt over the Kings/Lakers in Round 2

Not that it happened, since both the Wolves and Spurs posted victories tonight, but under my aforementioned scenario, the Lakers would've been the #2 seed in the first round and played the #7, but then the teams get reseeded in the second round where the Wolves would've been bumped up to the #2 seed due to their better overall record, and thus would've gotten home court advantage over the Lakers.

But it's a done deal now for you guys.  #1 throughout the Western Conference playoffs.  Congrats!  Still waiting for the Kings and Lakers outcomes.  The Lakers are off to their traditional crappy start.  Not to mention Malone just went down with another bad injury.  Wonder if he'll be back for the playoffs...   :-\
Title: Re: The NBA is back!
Post by: Scott on April 15, 2004, 12:19 AM
AAAAAWOOOOOOOO

Title: Re: The NBA is back!
Post by: Scott on April 15, 2004, 12:30 AM
And as I said earlier...I hope the Lakers get #2...I'd much rather have the Spurs take out the Lakers than the Wolves because the Kings are awful right now.  

Kobe hits a 3 to go to OT...Kings down by 8.  WooohoooO!
Title: Re: The NBA is back!
Post by: Morgbug on April 15, 2004, 12:30 AM
AAAAAWOOOOOOOO


;D

Oh look, a bandwagon.  Meh, at least I've been on it since around mid-season.
Title: Re: The NBA is back!
Post by: Scott on April 15, 2004, 12:41 AM
AAAAAWOOOOOOOO


;D

Oh look, a bandwagon.  Meh, at least I've been on it since around mid-season.
Hop on board...I'm having a lot of fun with this season.  But I've been burned enough in the last 7 years to know:

1997 Final Four Cheatin' Gophers
1998 Vikings
2000 Vikings
2002 Twins
2003 Wild
1997-2003 T-Wolves

That my heart will be broken...just not in the first round please.  They can crush the Nuggets right???
Title: Re: The NBA is back!
Post by: Morgbug on April 15, 2004, 12:47 AM
Oh yeah, but you have to know they will need to lose a final before they can win one.  Which this year means they have to lose the Western final, rather than the real final because the East sucks so bad (well??).

Would it be scary to point out that I have a Crunch hand puppet :-X
Title: Re: The NBA is back!
Post by: Scott on April 15, 2004, 12:49 AM
The Rockets and Spurs won on the first try right?   We need some good karma here after 13 years of getting the shaft (and really throw out the 87 and 91 Twins and we've been cursed franchise wide forever :'()
Title: Re: The NBA is back!
Post by: Morgbug on April 15, 2004, 01:01 AM
Did the Rockets?  I thought they lost to the Celtics first.  Maybe the Sixers?  You could be right, I'm pretty sure the Spurs did though.

Let's just not mention the V word in here, kay?  

Twinkies were fun in those years.  Real fun.  
Title: Re: The NBA is back!
Post by: JediMAC on April 15, 2004, 01:11 AM
Kobe just hit another completely MIRACLE three at the buzzer to win the game by one point in double overtime, just after Damon Stoudemire danced around the court celebrating what he thought was his game winning shot a second earlier.  Kobe did this after he earlier hit an even MORE amazing three at the buzzer and end of regulation to tie the game and send it into OT, all the while he was flying sideways with Ruben Patterson in his face, and completely fouling him to boot.  Kobe got fouled on his game winner too, but neither were called.  Fortunately it didn't matter!   8)

Boy, you should be thankful Scott!  Looks like you guys might actually win TWO playoff series this year now!   ;)  Sacto stands a good chance at losing to the Mavs in the first round, and surprisingly the Grizzlies are a robust 3-1 against the Spurs this year.  Man I'd love to see both those teams fall!  Lakers vs. Wolves.  Me vs. Scott (and the rest of the Wolves' bandwagoners).  Bring it on.   :-*

But bring on Yao Ming first...   ;)
Title: Re: The NBA is back!
Post by: Scott on April 15, 2004, 01:32 AM
I'm very happy...Kings won't make it out of Round 1, Mavs are going to eat them up...Wolves, Lakers and Spurs will all win

SPurs also have homecourt in Round 2 and are the hottest team the league right now...Bwaaahaaahaaahaaaaa

Malone's injured?  Must have forgot to take his Geritol this morning...or else Shaq ate it

(http://www.jedidefender.com/news/images/3-04/lakers.jpg)
(http://www.jedidefender.com/spearson/twolves.jpg)
Title: Re: The NBA is back!
Post by: aka DaBigKahuna on April 15, 2004, 02:03 AM
Kobe just hit another completely MIRACLE three at the buzzer to win the game in double overtime, after he hit an even MORE amazing three at the end of regulation at the buzzer and flying sideways to tie the game and send it into OT.

Boy, you should be thankful Scott!  Looks like you guys might actually win TWO playoff series this year now!   :-*

Bring on Mr. Ming!

Amazing, caught the 4th and overtimes.  Poor Blazers, well not really!


-Fish-
Title: Re: The NBA is back!
Post by: Jeff on April 15, 2004, 09:53 AM
(http://www.jedidefender.com/news/images/3-04/lakers.jpg)

hehe

On the Wolves:

I must admit that I am VERY impressed.  

A Minnesota franchise (besides the Twins) that actually WINS it's way into a #1 Playoff seed instead of limping into it (a la the Vikings)?  'Bout dang time!

Now that the playoffs are about to get rolling, I think I'll dust off the old "Pooh" jersey and hop on the bandwagon...

Bring on the Nuggets!  Then Sacto!  Then Duncan's Gang!  Woo-Hoo!


On the NBA in general:

The WEST is BEST.  

Utah goes 42-40 and missed the playoffs in the West, meanwhile, they'd be the FOURTH seed in the East  :o

Only 4 Playoff teams in the East are better than .500, 2 are at .500, and 2 are below .500!  How in the hell can you go 36-46 and STILL make the playoffs (Boston)?  What the heck?

Dang, the East sucks.  To me, that makes the T-wolves #1 seed in the West even MORE impressive.

Jeff


Title: Re: The NBA is back!
Post by: FX-7 on April 16, 2004, 02:30 PM
GO NUGGETS!  I don't think we have a chance but you know I'll be rooting like hell for the upset.  
Title: Re: The NBA is back!
Post by: Scott on April 19, 2004, 12:28 AM
1 down 15 to go...Wolves spank the Nuggets in game 1...let them back in though which wasn't cool...perhaps that will serve as a reminder that you can't fall asleep in the Playoffs :-*
Title: Re: The NBA is back!
Post by: Brian on April 19, 2004, 09:57 AM
Glad to see the Wolves win last night.  Cassell went off, and played a heck of a game.  And KG was, well KG...30 and 20.  I only got to see the second half because we had a hail storm here in town that knocked out half of our cable channels until around 10:30ish.  Glad to see the playoffs started, although most of the Game 1s were blowouts (with the exception of Hou/LA and Mia/New Orleans.  Spurs/Grizz and Lakes/Rockets game 2's tonight :).
Title: Re: The NBA is back!
Post by: Scott on April 19, 2004, 10:06 AM
Carmelo was pretty much non-existant last night...it was mostly Camby carrying them and John Berry, they have a nice team but they can't stop the three headed monster.

Not liking how the Spurs continue to roll, they have a tough road ahead of them though with the Lakers and us or the Kings/Mavs

They really are the team to beat IMO...those 2 rings on Duncan's fingers aren't just out of a gumball machine.  
Title: Re: The NBA is back!
Post by: Scott on April 20, 2004, 10:12 AM
Lakers go up 2-0 and not a peep from Mister Giant Sweater?  Got lucky in Game 1, and really dominated last night.

I'm really thinking the Mavs will win Game 2...I was suprised actually that the Kings whooped them so badly
Title: Re: The NBA is back!
Post by: SPIDERLEGS on April 21, 2004, 03:09 PM
Well, we see that "small ball" isn't playoff basketball. The Mavs could have won either of those games. But Finley has disappeared, Nash has sucked, and Dirk is having to haul the load by himself. That's not fair, and consequently, I'm thinking the Kings will take the Mavs in 6. I do believe we will win the next 2 at home--the Mavs have the league's best home record--but the Mavs also have a very bad away record, and I think the Kings will take one from us here.

Look for Don Nelson to be gone after this season. When you live by the jumpshot and the "3" with no "D," so shlal you die by it. No defense and cold shooters = 4-2 Kings advantage.

I DO hope that I am wrong. We went down 0-2 to Utah 3 years ago and wound up winning that series, but that's the only time we've done it.
Title: Re: The NBA is back!
Post by: Morgbug on April 22, 2004, 12:18 AM
I think we can safely say the Wolves will win tonight.  


AAaaaaaaoooooooooooooooooow :-*
Title: Re: The NBA is back!
Post by: Scott on April 22, 2004, 12:32 AM
Higher seeds went 15-1 in the first 2 games...ouch :-*

Should be a tougher set of games on the road...I could see almost all of the teams dropping one or two on the road
Title: Re: The NBA is back!
Post by: JediMAC on April 22, 2004, 01:57 AM
They (Spurs) really are the team to beat IMO...those 2 rings on Duncan's fingers aren't just out of a gumball machine.  

 ::)   :-X

Doof.

Anyway, despite 3 terrible halves of basketball, my boys are still up 2-0.  Got pretty damned lucky in that first game.  We should've lost that one.  Looks like we finally woke up in the second half of game 2.  Hopefully they stay awake and interested for the remainder of the playoffs now.   :-\

Glad to see the Wolves kicking some butt.  It'll be a great monkey off KG's back just to get to round 2, and hopefully past the Kings there before falling to us in the Conference Finals.  Did you catch Garnett bagging on Barkley's ass on the TNT postgame show?  Good stuff.   8)  I'd love to see Dallas come back to beat the Kings though.  Hate those guys.  Also rooting for Miami, since they've got my former Laker and Clipper boys, Eddie Jones and Lamar Odom, so it's nice to see them cruising so far as well.

Pretty boring and predictable playoffs so far though, aside from the Bucks upset tonight.  Hopefully things will get a little more exciting as the games move into new cities in the next few days.  But Round 2 is going to be insane, so maybe it's best if everyone just sweeps this round, so we can get down to business a little sooner...
Title: Re: The NBA is back!
Post by: Brian on April 22, 2004, 11:16 AM
In a way, I was glad to finally see something "out of the ordinary" happen with the Bucks' win last night.  Plus, they are a tough team not to root for sometimes I think...the perennial underdogs this year.  I was glad to see the T'Wolves win again, hopefully on their way out of the first round at least..or further.  Garnett....20-22-10?  Ridiculous.  Lakers are looking tough again too, when Shaq can score 7 and they still win pretty easily.  I don't think Houston can hang with them.  Kind of expected the Mavs to do more against Sacto too, although I guess we're only two games in and more could happen.  Nice to see the Heat continue to do well, thrashing New Orleans last night (63 points?).  I remember when N.O. was one of the favorites to come out of the east at the beginning of the year.  Have fun in the West next year guys :).  Like you guys said, Spurs/Duncan turning it on at the right time....they are looking tough.  Let's get to Round 2, see some even better matchups :).

Oh...and a side note...congrats to LeBron James on ROY, Ron Artest on DPOY, and Hubie Brown on COY.  Although there were others who could stake claim to those awards, I think all three are quite deserving.  I'm hoping KG can get the MVP this year, I really think he deserves it.
Title: Re: The NBA is back!
Post by: SPIDERLEGS on April 23, 2004, 12:09 PM
URL TextMavs forward Antawn Jamison wins the 6th man award. (http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/basketball/mavs/stories/042204dnspomavsbriefs.14a4b2b35.html)
Title: Re: The NBA is back!
Post by: Brian on April 26, 2004, 10:04 AM
All NBA Teams

First Team
C - Shaquille O'Neal - Los Angeles Lakers
F - Kevin Garnett - Minnesota Timberwolves
F - Tim Duncan - San Antonio Spurs
G - Kobe Bryant - Los Angeles Lakers
G - Jason Kidd - New Jersey Nets

Second Team

C - Ben Wallace - Detroit Pistons
F - Jermaine O'Neal - Indiana Pacers
F - Peja Stojakavic - Sacramento Kings
G - Tracy McGrady - Orlando Magic
G - Sam Cassell - Minnesota Timberwolves

Third Team

C - Yao Ming - Houston Rockets
F - Dirk Nowitzki - Dallas Mavericks
F - Ron Artest - Indiana Pacers
G - Michael Redd - Milwaukee Bucks
G - Baron Davis - New Orleans Hornets

Congrats to all players/teams on their selections, the teams look pretty good to me.  In the playoffs, we had the Pacers, Spurs, and Nets finishing off their first round series in sweeps.  New Orleans, Denver, Dallas, and Houston all picked up their first wins in their respective series as well.  The Lakers and Rockets had a heck of a slugfest yesterday again, with the Lakers coming out on top in OT.  Tonight's action continues with Detroit and Milwaukee, as well as Dallas and Sacramento going head to head again on TNT.
Title: Re: The NBA is back!
Post by: SPIDERLEGS on April 26, 2004, 03:24 PM
As I watched the Mavs-Kings game Saturday, I thought to myself that no way were these the same two teams that played the first 2 games of the series. Is "home court" really that much of an advantage? The Mavs were up by 30 points in the 3rd and part of the 4th quarter.
Title: Re: The NBA is back!
Post by: JediMAC on April 26, 2004, 09:13 PM
Well, the Lakers squeeked another one out on Sunday - but just barely.  Still not playing very good ball.  Shaq's been rather uninvolved/uninterested this series (so far), Kobe's shooting has been off, Payton hasn't been a factor, nor has our bench in a few of the games.  But we've fortunately still managed to squeek out a 3-1 series lead.  Should be interesting to see if Kobe's court dates conflict with the next game (or two)...

Yeah, Dallas looks like a completely different team when they're at home.  I'm sure they'll even the series up tonight, and it'd be great to see these two high-octane offenses go 7.  I'd love to see Dallas pull the series out in the end, but I unfortunately don't think it's going to happen...

T-Wolves sure got spanked in Denver in the last game.  That was very surprising, especially at that wide a margin throughout most of the game.  Denver will be very lucky if they get one more off of them.  Doubtful that's gonna happen.

Otherwise, a bunch of boring and predictable sweeps in several of those other series.  Still waiting to get down to the real business in Round 2 though...   8)
Title: Re: The NBA is back!
Post by: SPIDERLEGS on April 27, 2004, 11:49 AM
But no...the Mavs played one of the worst games I have ever seen them play last night (and I saw them when they were 15-67). They were weak in every aspect of the game.

I'll have to amend my prediction: Kings in 5, not 6.
Title: Re: The NBA is back!
Post by: JediMAC on April 28, 2004, 01:22 PM
Yeah, that Mav's performance was extremely crappy, and quite surprising with their near impeccable home record.  I'd have to agree that they're pretty much toast now, and probably in the next game at that.

Scott's Wolves sure snuck by the Nuggets by the skin of their teeth!   ::)  If 'Melo doesn't go 1 for 16 from the floor, the Nuggets wouldn't have lost be two measely points.  Bummer to see the Hornets even things up with the Heat too.  But hopefully the Lakers will close their series out tonight, so the real Finals can begin!   ;)
Title: Re: The NBA is back!
Post by: Brian on April 29, 2004, 02:01 PM
Well, the Lakers finished off the Rockets last night, so now we can move on to that 2nd Round matchup of Spurs - Lakers, should be a good one.  Hopefully the Wolves can take care of business tomorrow night against the Nuggs, and get out of the first round.  I'm glad these 1st round series are starting to wrap up for the most part, on to the good (or better) stuff now.  On a side note, they really could have left the first round series in the 5 game format in my opinion.  Seems like it takes a long time to get the first round done with, and really hurts any underdogs looking for an upset too.  I guess it didn't matter much since most of the series were sweeps or close to it.  Sacramento and Detroit have a chance to close out their respective series tonight.
Title: Re: The NBA is back!
Post by: SPIDERLEGS on April 29, 2004, 05:21 PM
If the Mavs lose tonight, Nellie can pack his bags. It also may see the end of the big 3: Nash, Finley, and Dirk.

So that's why I think the Mavs might win 1 more game. I know I'm "flip-flopping" on the Mavs, but I'm going to say again that the Kings will take it in 6 if they don't win tonight.

Also, I'm thinking if the Mavs can win tonight, the series comes back here for game 6. I still have to hope the Mavs can pull off 1 more win at home before it's all over. Of course, I'm probably doing the homer fanboy dream, but here's to hope, right?

And believe me, after making it to the Western Conference Finals last year and falling 1 game short, if they go out in the first round like it looks like they will, heads will roll. First head on the chopping block is Don Nelson. The next one will be Steve Nash. Cuban loves Finley, and even though Finley has stunk it up this round (like Nash), he's a Cuban fave. He's safe. Dirk is safe, too.
Title: Re: The NBA is back!
Post by: Brian on April 30, 2004, 09:58 AM
Well, after another night of NBA Playoff goodness, the Kings and Pistons have moved on.  Another nail-biter between the Kings and Mavs, sans defense, and the Kings pulled out a one point win.  Now its on to see if the Wolves can finish out tonight.  A lot of trash talk going on in that series from what I have seen on Sportscenter this week.  I saw this morning that Nuggets backup Francisco Elson has even called Kevin Garnett "gay" in an attempt at trash talking.  Story (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/playoffs2004/news/story?id=1792441)  Hopefully the Wolves will rise above, and move on to the next round.

In other NBA News...or Olympics news depending on how you look at it.  It looks like Team USA might have to re-draft half of their roster.  The following players are said to be thinking about sitting out:  Kevin Garnett (wedding), Vince Carter (wedding), Ray Allen (expecting a child), Karl Malone (injury problems this season), Tim Duncan (injuries), Jermaine O'Neal (security concerns) and Kobe Bryant (legal concerns).

Olympic Hoops News (http://sports.espn.go.com/oly/columns/story?columnist=stein_marc&id=1792114)
Title: Re: The NBA is back!
Post by: Scott on May 1, 2004, 10:47 AM
Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaawwwwwoooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

Hey...Round 2, nice to finally be here

Hope Wally comes back soon...I hope Kandi starts playing better...I hope we win the first 2 games.

NUggets are a bunch of punks...very glad to see them get Beeeotched but I am  little nervous as to the way they played :-\
Title: Re: The NBA is back!
Post by: JediMAC on May 1, 2004, 03:22 PM
Well, congrats to the Wolves fans on entering unchartered territory for the franchise.  Round 2 finally!   8)  Gonna have a tough time with Sacto, as will we with San Antonio.  Gonna be a crazy exciting second round in the West!  Mavs missed the show, and Spider's probably right - Nellie's toast.  So close on getting the series back home, but that last play just looked like crap.  Too bad Dirk couldn't extend the series on his final shot there.  Credit to the hated Kings for putting it back together after a dismal end to the regular season...

Wonder if the Heat/Hornets series will ever end?  They'll be playing well into the middle of the rest of the second round if Miami doesn't close it out in Game 6.  Indiana's gonna be extremely rusty by the time they finally return to the court...

See you all when the REAL playoffs start tomorrow!   8)
Title: Re: The NBA is back!
Post by: Scott on May 2, 2004, 07:27 PM
What a great game today, back and forth, Kobe looked like he was going to put a bullet between the eyes of the Spurs and lil' Tony Parker came back and led the Spurs back.  It was amazing how much the Lakers gave up

I HATE Playoff fouls though, it is absolutely totally 180 degree difference from the regular season, guards get absolutely hammered and don't get called and then 3 seconds later they get called for a reach in, its horrible and totally favors physical teams like the Lakers with Fat Daddy and the Old Fossil
Title: Re: The NBA is back!
Post by: Scott on May 3, 2004, 11:50 AM
BTW, I would have given my left nut to be at Target Center last Friday night, even watching the last 3 minutes on TV was goosebumps for me...I cannot imagine the roar of the crowd that whole time...you lucky dog Jeff :-*
Title: Re: The NBA is back!
Post by: Jeff on May 3, 2004, 03:41 PM
BTW, I would have given my left nut to be at Target Center last Friday night, even watching the last 3 minutes on TV was goosebumps for me...I cannot imagine the roar of the crowd that whole time...you lucky dog Jeff :-*

To top it all off, it was the first NBA playoff game that I've been to see.

I have NEVER experienced the Target Center like that before.  Although, to be honest, the Wild playoff game last year vs. Colorado (game 4) was a little cooler.  

Still one of the best Wolves crowd I've ever seen.

So, I'm 1-0 with Wolves Playoff games.  Now, if I can talk my buddy with the tickets into taking me to a round two game vs. Sacto, that'd be pretty sweet too...

Jeff
Title: Re: The NBA is back!
Post by: Scott on May 3, 2004, 03:59 PM
I went to a Playoff game back in 98 or 99 against Seattle...they were up 2-1 and could have closed it out that night.  The place was electric, ex-Gov Jesse repelled from the ceiling it was amazing...they then lost that night and then Game, it was their closest shot at Round 2 and they blew it...
Title: Re: The NBA is back!
Post by: Jeff on May 3, 2004, 04:15 PM
While we're on the subject of T-Wolves, let's give out props to "da Kid".

KG = MVP!

It's a big year for KG, first he gets to round two, then MVP.  Granted, it might have been a closer race had Duncan not been injured and missed 15 games, but in the end KG held out with more rebounds and ppg.

It's a good time to be a Wolves fan.

Jeff
Title: Re: The NBA is back!
Post by: Morgbug on May 3, 2004, 04:21 PM
Aaaaaaaaaaaaaooooooooo.  



*cough*hack*wheeze*

How'd ya like my impression of a Lakers fan? ;D
Title: Re: The NBA is back!
Post by: Scott on May 3, 2004, 04:38 PM
Nice!  KG is getting married too, having a good year, lets just give them the NBA Championship and Finals MVP too...OK

BTW...I'm almost hoping for the Lakers to face the Wolves next round, it would make the discussion here much more fun.  Spurs Wolves will be just fine with me though
Title: Re: The NBA is back!
Post by: Brian on May 3, 2004, 05:00 PM
I agree Scott, might as well have the NBA Championship and Finals MVP to top off a terrific year :).  Big congrats to "Da Kid" on the MVP, he was very deserving and it is amazing how great he has become over the years.  I see he received 120 of 123 first place votes.  Here's the story:

KG is MVP (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=1794534)

(http://espn.starwave.com/media/nba/2004/0503/photo/s_garnett_i.jpg)

KEVIN GARNETT - 2003/2004 NBA MOST VALUABLE PLAYER
Title: Re: The NBA is back!
Post by: JediMAC on May 4, 2004, 05:21 AM
Aaaaaaaaaaaaaooooooooo.  



*cough*hack*wheeze*

How'd ya like my impression of a Lakers fan? ;D

Best shut your trap old man.   >:(  Lest I send me young buddy Kevin out to see you a year early to smack your dumb Celtic fan ass around a bit!   :-*

Yeah, Lakers looked like garbage for about 2 1/2 quarters of that game.  Played well outta the gate, and a nice third quarter too, but the well oiled machine that is the Spurs took it with some much more consistent and inspired play in the end.  These guys kinda scare me (just a little).  They're awesome defensively, totally unselfish, great passers, good shooters, patient, great teamwork and communication, well coached...  Boring as hell to watch, but they get the job done.  16 in a row now for them.  Yikes.  Lakers better step it up a few notches if they want to compete, and Payton better get his stupid ass in gear.  He's absolutely sucked in the playoffs so far!

Congrats to KG on the MVP.  Totally deserving, and I'm excited he finally won the award after a couple questionable snubs in recent years.  Gonna have one helluva time against Sacto though.  Good luck!
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: JediMAC on May 4, 2004, 10:14 PM
Glad to see Miami finally advance.  Too bad they had to beat a Hornets team that was without it's injured star, Baron Davis, for pretty much the entire second half...   :-\

All 7 games in that series won by the home team.  Not bad!  Finally shows you that home court is definitely worth it in some cases.  That series ran for an insane 17 days!   :o

Looks like the Wolves aren't off to the best start tonight though.  Hopefully they can turn it around, but they seem to be having a tough time containing my boy Vlade, who's already got 10 points in the first quarter!   ;D
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: Scott on May 5, 2004, 09:07 AM
I'm gonna circumvent the language filter here...$h!t, what a pisspoor performance.  Glad to see them come back but the Kings played like the Kings sans the last 12 games of the year.  Bibby was on fire, it was an amazing performance

I still have faith, Wolves are the best road team in the NBA and beat the Kings at Sacto twice this year, so its not over by any means, in fact it might just light a fire under Spree and Kandi's ass to play a little better next Saturday
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: Jeff on May 5, 2004, 09:57 AM
 :'(

I could have sworn that we had more players than just Sam C.

What happened to that "Spreewell" guy that used to play for us?  Where did he go?

Too much MVP hullabaloo before the game seemed to effect KG somehow... not quite sure what it was.  Sammy C was the man though.  Dang can he shoot the ball when he's hot.

Too bad Bibby was just as hot :(

Eh, it's only one game and as Scott pointed out the T-wolves were great on the road... at least we scored more than the Nets did (heck, Cassell almost scored as many as the Nets did).

Jeff
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: Scott on May 5, 2004, 11:28 AM
KG plays like that sometimes, he gets a little too hyped up I think.  They will play better on Saturday and will steal one at Denver, Wolves in 6 is still my prediction
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: Scott on May 6, 2004, 11:28 AM
I got Spurrrs that jingle jangle jingle as I go right past the overrated Laaakerrrs
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: Jeff on May 6, 2004, 11:45 AM
17 in a row?!?

Did I hear that right?

Talk about a freight train rollin' through the playoffs... it will take a LOT for either the Wolves or Sacto to stop them (obviously the LAkers can't).

Jeff
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: Scott on May 6, 2004, 12:18 PM
Yeah I think you can pretty much put the Spurs on name on the Trophy right now, no way will any of the other 3 teams beat them 4 out of 7 games...

We keep discounting the East, and maybe we should but the Pacers and Pistons are both good teams and the Pistons especially have enough weapons to compete with the top 4 in the West
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: Scott on May 6, 2004, 04:49 PM
This article has Colman written all over it (http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page3/story?page=lakerfans/040505)
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: JediMAC on May 7, 2004, 04:50 AM
I'll try not to be too insulted by that, but I've actually been a diehard Lakers fan since about 1978 thanks.   ;)  Granted, they disgust the living crap out of me a lot of the time, and I think they're one of the most underachieving, whiny brat, ego-driven teams in the history of the NBA.  They've got the two best players in basketball, but those same two guys are just one big giant headache at least every other game.

Looks like Kobe pulled another "ok, I won't shoot and I'll show you how well they do without me" routines yesterday, in response to Shaq's dad's criticism of him in the San Antonio papers before the game.  Just like against Sacto, brilliant time to make a point, ya' selfish bastard!   >:(  One or the other is pouting every single game.

Malone's been doing OK, but is still doing some stupid crap as well.  5 turnovers, and a really stupid technical foul for shoving Bowen at the end of the 3rd quarter.  Payton's completely non-existant, and is getting torn a new one by Parker every minute they're on the floor together.  And finally, like I've often said in the past, I think Phil Jackson is a HORRIBLE game coach.  He seems to get the guys prepared for games, and all that jazz, but when the Lakers are in the midst of the 48 minutes on the floor, he doesn't do jack $h!t.  Never calls timeouts, horrible substitution patterns, never draws up actual plays, terrible game strategy, doesn't make in-game corrections when there's something obviously not working right, etc., etc...

You never know what you're gonna get with these guys.  They love to go out, and get b!tchslapped all over the floor for the first half, cranking up a nice 15 or so point deficit.  Then they battle back like madmen in the third, and in the past two games have just quit in the 4th.  Usually the 4th quarter is the only quarter they actually play hard, so I have no idea WTF's going on in this series.  Still holding out hope though, but we've obviously got to win both games at home now, just like we did against them last year.  But if I had to bet my house on the winner, I'd have to think the Spurs will do it.  They're just a well oiled machine right now.  Great team basketball on both ends of the court.  Sure wish my boys could play like that!  But it ain't over yet...   ;)

KG plays like that sometimes, he gets a little too hyped up I think.  They will play better on Saturday and will steal one at Denver, Wolves in 6 is still my prediction

Yeah, I think they could probably beat the Nuggets right now too.
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: Scott on May 7, 2004, 10:36 AM
Whoops I guess I'm thinking last week still ::)

Pacers creamed the Heat last night...
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: Scott on May 9, 2004, 12:20 AM
Anyone watching the Wolves/Kings???  Wolves were down by 10 88-78 and went on 14-1 run and now its 92-89 16.5 seconds left Kings ball.  ******* Cassell just missed a free throw ::)
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: Scott on May 9, 2004, 12:26 AM
Wolves Win!   Talk about a choke...up by 10, 4 minutes left and they actually did it...16-1 run to end the game.  That was almost Vikingsesque.  

Aaaaaaaaaawooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: JediMAC on May 9, 2004, 06:28 AM
Missed the game unfortunately, but caught the highlights.  Nice comeback!  Had me a little worried there...

Lakers better give me a nice win today, to make up for me having to watch the game in the damned hospital.   ::)
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: Scott on May 10, 2004, 11:48 AM
Lakers look like htye woke up yesterday, we were driving around seeing Mothers so we missed it but I listened to part of the game on the Radio.  Basketball on the Radio isn't so good.  In fact Baseball really is the only game that is perfect for the radio
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: Brian on May 10, 2004, 12:26 PM
Yeah, the Lakers certainly did some crushing yesterday.  It is funny (as Matt has mentioned several times) how inconsistent this team is.  Its not like anyone thought the Spurs were going to sweep it anyways, this will be one of the best series of the entire playoffs I'm sure.  I missed most of the game as well, but from what I saw it was a total rout.  Glad to see the Wolves even the series over the weekend as well, what a comeback.  Nets also with a blowout over the 'Stons last night, and it looks like the Pacers are well on their way to the next round as well.
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: Scott on May 11, 2004, 07:55 AM
Aaaaaaaaaaaaaawoooooooooooooooooooooooo

Wow what a game last night, pulled a BIGGER choke than the Kings collapse in Game 2 but made it to OT where KG just about dominated.  One in a nailbiter and hopefully swung the momentum all the way to us, tomorrow night's game is a huge one, if the Wolves go up 3-1 its over
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: Brian on May 11, 2004, 09:45 AM
Yeah, that sure was a heck of a game last night....I actually managed to stay up for all of it.  The Kings made a heck of a comeback (could Peja miss in the 4th quarter?), but luckily the Wolves were able to pull it out...even without Sam Cassell.  KG was huge again.  I agree Scott, hopefully this swings momentum Minny's way and they can win the next one and finish it out at home.  Tough series so far though...and some great games.

In the other game, nice to see the Heat get a win.  I didn't watch the entire game, but most of the second half.  Did anyone catch Dwayne Wade's dunk on Jermaine O'Neal?  Ouch....quite nice.  The Pacers will likely end up winning the series, but the Heat are the type of underdog you kind of like to root for I think.  Lakers-Spurs battle is back on tonight.
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: Scott on May 11, 2004, 11:22 AM
I'm thinking the Spurs will take one tonight, I do hope that series goes 7 though too.  

Anyone care to comment on my reffing thing?  I watched the replay of the last shot Peja took a couple of times and in the regular season that would have been a foul.  And yet they call ticky tack fouls on Cassell and a horrible traveling call when KG got pushed at the end of OT.  I'd just like some consitency
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: Brian on May 11, 2004, 11:30 AM
Yeah, I was thinking much the same thing on the officiating Scott.  I was happy that Peja missed, and the Wolves won, but was thinking "you know, if that play would have been the other way around, I would have been screaming for a foul".  But, like you said, the Wolves kind of got screwed earlier on on a couple of calls, particularly that traveling call.  I guess there is always bad calls though, and pretty much all three of these games could have gone either way.  I'm just glad Minny was able to come out on top.  I keep thinking how much of a help it would be to have Troy Hudson backing Cassell up right now, Sczerbiak might not hurt either, although they play well without him (or both of them actually) too.
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: Scott on May 11, 2004, 11:41 AM
Hudson is more missed than Wally thanks to the play of both Hassell and Hoiberg, without them Kings might be up 3-0.  Wally has barely played all year too so they know how to win without him.  Hudson is a huge step up from Derrick Martin however, he was always instant O off the bench when Cassell sat down, now Martin is more of cross your fingers and hope Sammy is back soon
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: Brian on May 11, 2004, 11:45 AM
Exactly.  I agree totally, and Hassell and Hoiberg have been huge in the playoffs (and during the season as well).  Great pickups from Chi-town, and great components to the team.
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: chuckles on May 11, 2004, 11:52 AM
Interesting bit of info regarding Hoiberg. I attented college at ISU pretty much the same time he did and we even had a same class together. Marketing 340, it was. I even recall sitting directly behind him a couple times. Who'd a known he'd be a key part of the Wolves bench at the time.  :)

Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: JediMAC on May 12, 2004, 03:16 AM
I'm thinking the Spurs will take one tonight...

 :-*

My boys had me a little worried again through the first half of tonight's game, but the "good Lakers" finally showed up for the second half and took over the game, thank God.  Kobe went for 42, Shaq for 28.  That'll usually get it done, along with some decent D, which they also played in the second half tonight.  All tied up again.  Best of 3 now, but heading back to San Antonio for Game 5.  I'm feeling much better about things, but if that well oiled machine that can be the Spurs shows up again, it'll be nervous time some more.  But as long as Kobe and Shaq are both "into the game", I just don't think we can lose.  But them both being into it at the same time quite often doesn't happen.

Last year, the Lakers were in the exact same position at this point, and were one quarter inch from Horry's buzzer beating, game winning 3 point shot going down against the Spurs to take a 3-2 lead.  Unfortunately, that quarter inch cost us, and Horry's potential game winner went half way down the net and somehow came back out (which essentially kept us from 4-peating), and we wound up tanking in 6 back in L.A.  So hopefully Game 5 in San Antonio goes a little differntly than last years.  But like Phil Jackson said before tonight's game about how the Lakers would play:  "You just never know with these guys.  Sometimes they show up and are inspired, and sometimes they're not.  We'll just have to wait and see which Lakers team shows up tonight."  We'll have to wait and see who hits the floor for the next game...

As for the Wolves, damned lucky to scratch that one out, after giving it all away at the end of the fourth there.  Crazy finish for that game.  Yeah, that Peja shot is probably usually a foul, but just like you guys said, I said exactly the same thing to Patty:  The refs blew some calls shortly before that in Sacto's favor, so I'm glad to see them let this one slide and even things out.  Plus, I'm rooting for KG and the Wolves too, so I'm glad they squeeked that one out.  Hopefully we get to hang out together in Round 3!   ;)

Nets sure came back against the Pistons too.  Looking pretty tight there now, and even though Detroit's got the insane defense, the Nets have way more playoff experience, which I really think may pay off as this series winds down.  I think I'd rather see the Pistons win it though, just 'cause the Nets have already been to the finals a couple times, and I don't care much for K-Mart.  Nice to see the Heat take one too!  Sure, the Pacers will take it, but like Brian said, it's always nice to see the underdogs make some noise.  And yeah - that Ward dunk was absolutely SICK!   8)
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: Scott on May 12, 2004, 10:23 AM
I'm shocked that the Lakers won by as big of a margain as they did, the Spurs looked like they had the game well in hand when I went to bed at Halftime (hey I have a 2 week old OK :P) So to see them lose by 8 was surprising.  As much as I cannot stand Crybaby, the dude is amazing.  Totally and utterly amazing.  He can have awful stretches (such as the first half of the Wolves/Lakers game I went to) but when he is "on" there is nobody in the NBA who is more fun to watch.  Too bad he'll be in jail next year
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: Scott on May 13, 2004, 12:38 AM
Wolves were down by 17, down by 2 going into the 4th.  I really need to go to bed though...ugh.  Somebody tell me what happens (only if the Wolves win though)
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: JediMAC on May 13, 2004, 04:05 AM
Somebody tell me what happens (only if the Wolves win though)

Uh, OK...

...

...

...

...

Pretty cool that all four of the second round series are locked up at 2 apiece now.  Doesn't get much better than that, and it almost makes up for that horrifically boring first round.  Almost.
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: Brian on May 13, 2004, 09:37 AM
I agree Matt, I'm kind of enjoying the good competition in this second round....2-2's all around.  Happy to see the Heat pull another one out last night, sure would have liked to see the Wolves win though.  I stayed up for the game again (why are they all so late?) :P  Lasted until about 12:30 our time, which might not be so late to some...but between moving and not sleeping well, I needs me rest :).  Anyways, I am glad to see good competition all around in this round, much better than the 1st.  Spurs-Lakers in primetime for all to see on ABC tonight, should be a good one.
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: Scott on May 13, 2004, 09:56 AM
Wolves are playing pretty bad and realistically should have been swept, their turnover numbers are horrendous, totally out of line especially when they were one of the leagues best at not turning it over.  A lot of that is due to the physical nature of the playoffs, they are much more of a finesse team and don't know how to get tough

My predictions right now:

Wolves in 7
Lakers in 7
Pacers in 6
Nets in 7

This is great, really doesn't get any better than this.  Although, if your team is in the Stanley Cup PLayoffs, they are much much more exciting IMO.  But I also live in the State of Hockey
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: Scott on May 13, 2004, 10:53 PM
HOLY SH!T WHO just saw that game>???????

Duncan hit an impossible shot to seal the deal with 0.4 seconds left and Fisher actually got off a shot to win it...that has to be the most amazing 1 second of NBA Basketball in history!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: Morgbug on May 13, 2004, 11:22 PM
HOLY SH!T WHO just saw that game>???????

Duncan hit an impossible shot to seal the deal with 0.4 seconds left and Fisher actually got off a shot to win it...that has to be the most amazing 1 second of NBA Basketball in history!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That was impressive, no doubt about it :o  Much as I hate the Laker and I'm sure Spurs fans are in disbelief, Fisher clearly got it off and the Lakers definitely won it.  Wow.  

Just Wow. :o
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: JediMAC on May 14, 2004, 01:13 AM
(http://i.a.cnn.net/si/2004/basketball/nba/specials/playoffs/2004/05/13/bc.bkn.lakers.spurs.ap/p1_fisher2_ap.jpg) (http://espn-att.starwave.com/media/nba/2004/0513/photo/a_fisher003_ft.jpg)

Wow.  

Just Wow. :o

Funny, but that's exactly what I was going to say!  Absolutely amazing finish, and without Kobe no less.  Granted he hit the potential winner with about 12 seconds left, only to have Duncan hit what looked like a "Kobe-esque" winner with .4 left.  THAT shot was even more amazing - the fallaway 21 footer, Shaq right in his face, etc.  Amazing.

Which set up the even more beautiful shot of Fisher's, which will hopefully stick a dagger right through the Spurs hearts so we can finish this up on Saturday back at home.  If you caught the postgame press conference, the Spurs were absolutely devastated and heartbroken.  Priceless.  Duncan looked like he was about to cry (which isn't really an unusual look for him, but even moreso this time), and Popovich said the only thing worse than this would be having to serve in Iraq right now.  Of course he's also crying foul, saying that BOTH the ref and their own clock operator started the clock too late.  Horse$h!t.

Patty was actually crying after Duncan hit his shot, but when Fisher shockingly hit his, she flew off the couch and gave me a huge bearhug from behind (I was standing in front of the TV), and pretty much almost ripped my appendectomy scars right back open!  I was still so PISSED OFF at how the Lakers played for the last quarter and a half, that I didn't get very emotional with Fisher's shot, other than just a subtle "Thank God".  We really didn't deserve it.

Phil definitely didn't deserve it.  I'll reiterate: He's a horrible game coach.  When we pulled out to our 16 point lead with 4 minutes left in the 3rd quarter, it was almost exclusively due to Devean George's surprisingly incredible play.  He was absolutely in the zone, and not just offensively, but defensively too.  He hit like three 3's in a row, along with a MONSTER dunk, and on the other end had 2 or 3 steals and several other forced turnovers during the quarter too.  He was absolutely EN FUEGO.  So what does the "greatest"  ::) coach in NBA history do?  He inexplicably pulls him.   >:(  No reason whatsoever.  Just pulls him right in the middle of his incredible run.  As soon as Phil did that, the Lakers went COMPLETELY FLAT for the rest of the game, scoring all of 13 total points after that brilliant move.  Phil doesn't get it, and he never will.  He's atrocious, and with that one bonehead move tonight, he almost cost us the entire Championship.

Oh, and by the way, Shaq was pulling some kind of Kobe routine, and NOT shooting the ball most of the not.  Not even WANTING to shoot the ball.  Whenever it went in to him throughout the first 3 quarters, he just passed it right back out, like he wanted no part of it.  He finally looked somewhat interested early in the fourth, but just barely.  11 points total for him I think, only 4 of which came in the first half.  So there's some other stupid ass developing Laker drama there.  But hopefully Fisher's miracle shot will help everyone to look past it and forget about it, including Shaq.

Anyway, we still have one huge win to go against the Spurs, who I'm not discounting at all yet.  Anything can happen, especially when these Lakers are on the floor...
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: Scott on May 14, 2004, 10:07 AM
We'll be seeing those 2 shots for the rest of our lives, it still is amazing that they both happened.  I think Duncan's was luckier, no way in hell that one should have even been close.  Fisher's at least was an awesome look, I thought they were going to oop it to Malone at the basket, didn't think about having Fisher take it.  Amazing
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: Morgbug on May 14, 2004, 11:22 AM
No way is Jackson the best coach in NBA history.  Red Auerbach.  You can hate the Celtics all you want, but Jackson isn't even close.  He's coaching in the era of buying up players, the Lakers having a pile of them.  

Saw the Spurs were protesting the clock and they may have a point.  But too bad, suck it up.  Had it been going the other way, they wouldn't have complained.  I hate that about sports.  You lost, however it works, you lost.  Play the next game, win in LA and go back home to finish them off.  

Best part was the announcers after Duncan's shot during the time out saying the game was over.  Oops.
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: aka DaBigKahuna on May 14, 2004, 04:07 PM
The Diesel summed it up best..."one lucky shot deserves another."  

Chalk that one up for the big aristotle, go Lakers!


-Fish-  

(http://i.a.cnn.net/si/2004/basketball/nba/specials/playoffs/2004/05/13/bc.bkn.lakers.spurs.ap/p1_fisher2_ap.jpg) (http://espn-att.starwave.com/media/nba/2004/0513/photo/a_fisher003_ft.jpg)

Wow.  

Just Wow. :o

Funny, but that's exactly what I was going to say!  Absolutely amazing finish, and without Kobe no less.  Granted he hit the potential winner with about 12 seconds left, only to have Duncan hit what looked like a "Kobe-esque" winner with .4 left.  THAT shot was even more amazing - the fallaway 21 footer, Shaq right in his face, etc.  Amazing.

Which set up the even more beautiful shot of Fisher's, which will hopefully stick a dagger right through the Spurs hearts so we can finish this up on Saturday back at home.  If you caught the postgame press conference, the Spurs were absolutely devastated and heartbroken.  Priceless.  Duncan looked like he was about to cry (which isn't really an unusual look for him, but even moreso this time), and Popovich said the only thing worse than this would be having to serve in Iraq right now.  Of course he's also crying foul, saying that BOTH the ref and their own clock operator started the clock too late.  Horse$h!t.

Patty was actually crying after Duncan hit his shot, but when Fisher shockingly hit his, she flew off the couch and gave me a huge bearhug from behind (I was standing in front of the TV), and pretty much almost ripped my appendectomy scars right back open!  I was still so PISSED OFF at how the Lakers played for the last quarter and a half, that I didn't get very emotional with Fisher's shot, other than just a subtle "Thank God".  We really didn't deserve it.

Phil definitely didn't deserve it.  I'll reiterate: He's a horrible game coach.  When we pulled out to our 16 point lead with 4 minutes left in the 3rd quarter, it was almost exclusively due to Devean George's surprisingly incredible play.  He was absolutely in the zone, and not just offensively, but defensively too.  He hit like three 3's in a row, along with a MONSTER dunk, and on the other end had 2 or 3 steals and several other forced turnovers during the quarter too.  He was absolutely EN FUEGO.  So what does the "greatest"  ::) coach in NBA history do?  He inexplicably pulls him.   >:(  No reason whatsoever.  Just pulls him right in the middle of his incredible run.  As soon as Phil did that, the Lakers went COMPLETELY FLAT for the rest of the game, scoring all of 13 total points after that brilliant move.  Phil doesn't get it, and he never will.  He's atrocious, and with that one bonehead move tonight, he almost cost us the entire Championship.

Oh, and by the way, Shaq was pulling some kind of Kobe routine, and NOT shooting the ball most of the not.  Not even WANTING to shoot the ball.  Whenever it went in to him throughout the first 3 quarters, he just passed it right back out, like he wanted no part of it.  He finally looked somewhat interested early in the fourth, but just barely.  11 points total for him I think, only 4 of which came in the first half.  So there's some other stupid ass developing Laker drama there.  But hopefully Fisher's miracle shot will help everyone to look past it and forget about it, including Shaq.

Anyway, we still have one huge win to go against the Spurs, who I'm not discounting at all yet.  Anything can happen, especially when these Lakers are on the floor...
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: Scott on May 14, 2004, 04:56 PM
I see the Spurs were denied an appeal by the NBA on the last shot.  They said the clock started late on the inbounds.  No way, it was clean and its just sour grapes.  I hate both teams equally so I don't really care who wins, both teams give the Wolves matchup problems.  If the Wolves advance I hope it against the Lakers, will make for an interesting time in the JD forums

Huge Game 5 tonight!!!
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: Scott on May 14, 2004, 10:05 PM
Not as good as last night but Chauncy Billups just hit a 30 ft jumper at the buzzer to send it OT, Nets missed 3 out of 4 free throws in the last 12 second

Anyone see that block Jefferson had???  Holy crap that was huge
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: Morgbug on May 14, 2004, 10:29 PM
Not as good as last night but Chauncy Billups just hit a 30 ft jumper at the buzzer to send it OT, Nets missed 3 out of 4 free throws in the last 12 second

Anyone see that block Jefferson had???  Holy crap that was huge

Not on tv up here :'(
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: Scott on May 14, 2004, 10:43 PM
Well, they are in 2OT...stoopid thing is, they won't switch the game here to the TWolves game so they've been playing the Nets Pistons for the last hour until it is done.  Luckily it is on NBATv and I have digital cable :P
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: Morgbug on May 14, 2004, 10:45 PM
Yeah well, I managed to get the OT score by going to a highlights channel that is broadcasting the Expos game, but they've had a computer error and are giving me a second quarter score now >:(  LMK what happens please.
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: Scott on May 14, 2004, 10:59 PM
3rd OT right now Nets up by 4 though

Wolves up by 4 at the Half 38-34  UGLY game, KG has 7 Turnovers >:(
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: Nicklab on May 15, 2004, 12:46 AM
WOOHOO!  The Nets pull it out in Triple OT IN DETROIT!  DANG!
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: Scott on May 15, 2004, 12:55 AM
Aaaaaaaaaaaawoooooooooooooooooo

Huge Win tonight Sprewell played like he was possesed.  Kings lack of a bench is haunting them big time now (and the fact that Peeler SUCKS) playing 6 in as tough of games as the last 5 has been is starting to swing the momentum towards MN.  I think the game Sunday will be close...I'm going to say the Wolves win.  Sacto is done.  My other hope is the other series goes 7 so go Spurs!!!
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: JediMAC on May 15, 2004, 02:12 AM
Wow - I closed my eyes briefly during the Nets/Pistons first overtime, and woke up almost 3 hours later!  Missed all the fun...   :-\  Glad to see the Wolves held home court, and I really hope they've messed with the Kings heads enough now with another good win, that the Queens will just roll over and give up back in Sacto for Game 6.

Another classic, it looks like, with that 3OT game won by the Nets.  Bummer they pulled it out, spoiling that insane shot by Billups to send it into OT.  Pistons didn't have much firepower left by the end of the game either, with their top 3 players having all fouled out.  That sucked.

But the big party is tomorrow night, and I just PRAY that the Lakers bring their A game, 'cause I do NOT want to go back to San Antonio for Game 7...
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: Scott on May 15, 2004, 05:57 PM
Loving the Playoffs all 4 series have been superb.  I was starting to think that the East shouldn't be taken so lightly a few games ago but the Pacers, Pistons and Nets have all looked very ordinary lately.  

Damn Wolves and their turnovers...its just killing them.  They have to start taking better care of the ball or they might lose the series and no way will they get past the next round.  KG was awful last night in the regard
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: Morgbug on May 16, 2004, 01:04 AM
Not loving this defensive game.  Matt's going to be incorrigible if it keeps going that way.
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: JediMAC on May 16, 2004, 02:07 AM
Who, me?!   ;D

Not loving this defensive game.

Hell, they've pretty much all been this way in the playoffs so far - in almost every series.  Halftime scores in the 30's, 4th quarter scores in the 50's, futility records being set...  It's not just good defense, it's TERRIBLE shooting by everyone.  Spurs shot a horrid percentage for the last several games, but not from a lack of wide open looks.  Hell, we didn't have a defender within 10 feet of them on most of their shots, especially from 3 point range.  Man, I miss the 80's.  Those were fun days, and great basketball to watch.  I'm definitely not a fan of defense and low scoring either - in ANY sport.

That said, all I can say after tonight's game is PHEW!  I just wasn't too sure we were going to do it, but even though we didn't play our A game, the Spurs just stunk the joint up.  With the excpetion of Devin Brown, they didn't have anyone play very well today.  Duncan and Parker pretty much stunk over the past 4 games as well.  Sure, Duncan got his 20 or so points each time, but they were a quiet 20, and mostly came late in the game when the team was already pretty far behind.  So I guess good D by the Lakers, but just some pretty poor play, and terrible shooting by the Spurs.  They definitely weren't playing their best ball all week this week, after looking like a well-oiled machine during their 17 game winning streak.  Can't believe that the same team that won those 17 straight, wound up essentially getting beat 4 in a row by us after that.  They just seemed like a totally different team.  Strange...

To me, THIS series was the real Championship.  Lakers, Spurs, last 5 trophies...  This was the NBA Finals IMO, which makes it seem weird that we're actually only halfway there at this point.  Of course, something weird could happen, and I could wind up eating my words big time later on, but the Spurs were the only team I was honestly concerned about going into the playoffs.  Some sloppy games, and some luck (especially Fisher's shot), but I'm just glad, and extremely relieved, that we came out on top.  See Kobe's monster dunk on Duncan near the end of the fourth?!   :o

So I hope Sacto takes Game 6 against the Wolves, to give us a few extra days to rest, but then I hope the Wolves win it in 7 - 'cause like Scott said, it'll be a little fun around here if we meet up...   ;)
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: Scott on May 16, 2004, 08:13 AM
To me, THIS series was the real Championship.  Lakers, Spurs, last 5 trophies...  This was the NBA Finals IMO
::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)

1/6/04 Minnesota 106 LA 90
1/30/04 Minnesota 97 LA 84
3/12/04 Minnesota 96 LA 86
3/26/04 LA 90 Minnesota 73

The Wolves and Kings are both WAY better jump shooting teams than the Spurs are, if they play the same Defense against either team its not going to be your team going to the REAL NBA Finals ::)
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: JediMAC on May 16, 2004, 03:40 PM
 :-*


BTW, Spurs defense is WAY better than the Wolves or Kings.  More than makes up for their subpar jump shooting.  Jump shooting doesn't win championships.  D does.

Prove me wrong, Pup boy.

P.S.  In case you didn't notice, the Lakers are genuinely uninterested in the regular season.  They proved all season that they could give a rat's ass about it.  All about the playoffs baby!  You'll see...   ;)
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: Scott on May 16, 2004, 09:29 PM
Son of a bitch :-X

They played alright today.  Game 7 is going to be close, hope Peeler gets suspended, 2 cheap ass blows to KG, what a worthless punk
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: JediMAC on May 17, 2004, 12:11 AM
Peeler's gonna get suspended alright.  Unfortunately, they'll still probably fine Garnett as well, just 'cause they can.  I think the two (unnoticed) elbows by Peeler and Garnett were really a wash.  Peeler's came first and was worse though.  But when you take the additional punch to Garnett's face, even if it was more of a forearm than a fist, that's more than enough to put a guy on the shelf for at least a game.  Stupid, stupid move by AP there...

You guys better start praying out there!  Hopefully home court really does win out here, and your fans can really motivate your team, 'cause Sacto's dangerous.  To be honest, I'd much rather face the Wolves than the Kings.  They can be streaky, and you can get into their heads pretty easily, but when they've got their A game and their heads screwed on properly, they're a tough, tough team to beat.  So many weapons, great passers, excellent athleticism...  Go Wolves, go!!!   8)

Nice to see Detroit force a Game 7 as well.  I'm rooting for them, just 'cause the Nets fired my boy Byron, and they're all too cocky.  Don't like Kenyon at all either...  Of course, I hate rooting for a team with Rasheed Wallace on it, but it's the lesser of two evils I suppose.  Hope Miami can force a Game 7 tomorrow night as well!
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: Scott on May 17, 2004, 12:29 AM
Oh and those damn redneck cowboy "fans" they have out there in Cowtown threw crap on the court for the second game in a row.  Talk about worthless, that is horrible ::)
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: JediMAC on May 17, 2004, 04:33 AM
I was actually hoping the refs would hit their fans with a technical, for delay of game, or whatever.  That's happened a few times in the past, and I think the more those cow tippers keep at it, the more they finally deserve one.

Any word on Troy Hudson out there?  Is he definitely out all of the playoffs, or is he like the Kings Bobby Jackson, who's still working out and hoping to come back soon?  Both of those guys would make a HUGE difference for their respective teams.  Hudson's a Laker killer too, so I'd be interested to know if there's a chance he might come back while we're slapping you guys around in Round 3...   :-*
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: Scott on May 17, 2004, 09:02 AM
Hudson is done and Cassell is really banged up.  One reason I think the game will be close on Wednesday.  And, if they do win the Wolves better hope Cassell is 100% or the Lakers are going to toast them.  A two headed monster is much easier to contain than a 3 headed. :-\
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: Brian on May 17, 2004, 10:35 AM
Still pretty bummed about yesterday's game.  I probably tend to get a little too emotional when watching, but I was really getting mad at the Kings yesterday.  Things many of you guys mentioned...Peeler, the fans throwing crap, and I have lost a lot of respect for Brad Miller.  That guy is a dirty player.  Maybe he always has been and I just didn't care as much until he was playing against my team.  Either way, he reminds me a lot of Bill Laimbeer when I started following the Bulls before they could get past Detroit in the late 80s.  A good player, and someone you'd probably want on your team, but a pain in the ass to play against.  I really hope they can pull it out at home in game 7, but Scott is right I think, if Cassell isn't closer to 100%, the Lakers will probably cruise.

Although I will admit I am not the biggest Lakers fan, big congrats to Matt and all the other Laker fans out there.  It was impressive what they were able to do to San Antonio.  Going into the playoffs, I really thought that they would be the team to beat...but they pretty much took it to them after those first two games.  I hope that this second round sets some great conference finals match ups.  I'm on board too, hoping that the Heat can force a game 7 as well.  It has turned into a pretty good playoffs, hopefully it continues all the way to the finals (can we have a nice, competitive finals for once?  probably not :P)

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P.S.  In case you didn't notice, the Lakers are genuinely uninterested in the regular season.  They proved all season that they could give a rat's ass about it.

This is a true statement most definitely Matt.  To me, as a lifetime basketball (particularly NBA) fan and follower, this is one reason that despite all the championships and success, it kind of tarnishes their standing in the "all time great teams" categories in my eyes.  No disrespect to the team, or any of its fans, because they are very, very good...and could be on their way to another title this year (should be with 4 HOFers  :P ), but I think the great teams bring it every game...regular season, playoffs, etc.  You look at the Jordan led Bulls for example...you pretty much knew in the nineties, they were probably going to win the title every year (with the exception of the years Jordan was gone)...but they still played their butts off during the regular season.  I mean, heck, they went 72-10 with a team that wasn't nearly as talented as this Lakers team.  I was a HUGE fan of the Bulls from 88 until Jordan and the team was broken up, and was able to watch almost every single game on a channel known as the "Chicago Sports Network" I believe (we got it on our satellite)...and outside of Jordan and Pippen, those teams were completely role players.  The argument could even be made that Pippen wasn't nearly the same player once he and Mike were seperated.  It was that drive and constant competitiveness that earned Jordan (and his teammates) the respect and success they had.  A lot of the same reason I really like Kevin Garnett...whether he plays the best or not (turnovers yesterday...arrrgh), he is still playing to the point where he is leaving it all on the floor.  I guess I'm just saying it is disappointing the Lakers aren't the same way...for a team that is so successful and probably one of the all time great teams as well.  I think Kobe is that way, most of the time, but he might be the only one.  He is highly competitive, and greatly talented, and the only thing that hurts his rep at all is his occasional trips where he decides to be a baby and either not shoot, or shoot way too much (or play selfishly).  Anyways, sorry about the rant, just thinking about this yesterday.  Like I said...great team, just more so disappointing they don't play like they care year round...and have that passion.
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: Scott on May 17, 2004, 02:09 PM
Great points Brian, add to that the fact the full healthy Lakers weren't too impressive as a team at all, they are playing a ton better right now but caught a huge break by catching a cold shooting Spurs team.  

Sure you can double team KG or CWebb next round but instead of Turkoglu and Parker there will be either Cassell and Sprewell or Stojakavic and Bibby out on the perimeter with fossilized Malone and lost a step Payton trying to guard them

I like either the Kings or Wolves chances in the next round as long as they are both healthy.  Cassell's back has me worried for Game 7, he could be as awesome as he was in Games 1 and 2 or as piss poor as he has been in Games 3-6.  I sure hope Game 2 Sammy shows up or its over.  The Kings are an awesome team and if this it, I think the Wolves had a great year and hopefully will keep Spree and be back next year to contend for the title.  If they make it through Game 7 then IT'S SO ON Colman, I am sick and tired of the damn LA teams beating the MN teams, its our turn for once
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: Scott on May 18, 2004, 11:44 AM
WHat the NBA needs is longer time between Games ::)

Lakers could go to Hawaii and hang out waiting for the 2nd Round to End ::) ::)
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: JediMAC on May 18, 2004, 03:39 PM

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      From JediMAC: P.S.  In case you didn't notice, the Lakers are genuinely uninterested in the regular season.  They proved all season that they could give a rat's ass about it.

This is a true statement most definitely Matt.  To me, as a lifetime basketball (particularly NBA) fan and follower, this is one reason that despite all the championships and success, it kind of tarnishes their standing in the "all time great teams" categories in my eyes.  No disrespect to the team, or any of its fans, because they are very, very good...and could be on their way to another title this year (should be with 4 HOFers  :P ), but I think the great teams bring it every game...regular season, playoffs, etc.

I wholeheartedly agree with that assesment Brian, and that's what makes it so damned frustrating being a Laker fan during the regular season.  Sure, we usually put up a pretty good record each season (57+ wins), but we should be putting up a solid 60+ wins every year.  We should have THE BEST record in the league every year.  We should be trying to knock off the Bulls record of 72 wins.  We should be playing 110% EVERY single game.  But we do NONE of those things.  They just cruise through the regular season rather non-chalant, playing hard when they feel inspired to do so.  But we definitely don't "bring it" on a nightly basis like the Bulls did, and that pisses me off to no end.

If we win another Championship this year making it 4 out of 5, it will definitely put us in the discussion of "best teams ever", but IMO this team will always be a distant 3rd to the 80's Lakers and the 90's Bulls.  I'd watch the 80's Lakers over the 2000's Lakers any day of the week too!  Now that was some fun basketball...   8)

P.S.  Scott, lay off the pipe, buddy.
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: C on May 18, 2004, 05:21 PM
Hmm... fascinating to come on and read the opinions of the non-Kings fans... I am of Sacramento origin, and with that a Kings fan indeed. OCB - do not scourge the entire city of Sacto for the negligent idiocy of a few who decided to throw items onto the court. Those aren't the real Kings fans; we are, with high percentage, quite a sophisticated and dedicated group.

Regardless - the KG/Peeler thing: Yes, I think Peeler should have gotten suspended for two games (which is fine with me - I've been raving that Adelman has kept him playing with his horrible offense while players like Songalia and Buford sit out), but by the same token, KG should have gotten a one-game suspension for his own deliberate hit on Peeler. If Peeler is punished twice for his two hits, then by that token, KG should have one suspension for his one hit. A $7,500 fine is nothing.

I would like to believe that those officials at the NBA would overlook the fact that KG is the MVP and of greater importance to his team, but it seems as though that is not the case. Oh well.


Inbetween - I gotta say that Saunders' choice of Jabari Smith for the FTs on Sunday was one of the highlights of the season. Brilliant work.

Brad Miller: if you've watched Miller all season, you would know that his behavior as of late is not his usual fare; his aggressive behavior has come as a result of and response to a lot of the Wolves' own aggressive tactics (there's a lot of holding going on). You can see the frustration in Miller's face when he plays. These games are clearly getting more physical - as I expect the Western Finals will become, no matter who plays LA.

Who's going to win: Of course I'd rather a Sacramento win; we've been down this road many times and I really hope we can finally get through. Realistically, to me, despite the statistics behind the home court wins, I think this is a 50/50 chance for either team. Sacto on Sunday was the best they've been in the offseason, and they played much better than Minnesota has in this series. When their offense and defense come together and guys are (finally) making shots, Sacto is hard to beat. But there's the problem of their extreme inconsistency that has been haunting them ever since Webber's return, and I can't say for sure that it won't come back on Wednesday. Sacto has proven they can win at Target Center, but to me, it's up in the air. Minnesota is obviously able to beat the Kings, even if it's in the last four minutes of the game, but they've got some bad injuries right now. Cassell is nonexistent and Szerbiak (sp?) isn't up to speed yet. Sprewell has been on top the last two games, and KG has been nice, but their defensive problems and multiple turnovers have been disappointing.

I can't make a real pick. I'll go with my hopes of Sacramento holding over from their amazing job on Sunday with a close win - this one's gonna get ugly, but it will be brilliant basketball. Just wish it wasn't on TNT so I could watch it in HD...
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: Scott on May 18, 2004, 05:36 PM
For the most part I have the utmost respect for all of the Kings as a team, Miller's been a goon because he needs to play physical with KG, that was Denver's plan in Round 1 and I expect if the Wolves win Malone is going to bump the hell out of him all series long.  Bibby and Peja are both awesome players and its too bad Webber isn't 100% because if he was it would certainly be the Kings as the #1 seed and probably favorites to be the Champs

RE: The suspension...I agree Peeler deserved a game, 2 is way overboard in my opinion.  And I see your point that if Peeler got 2, KG should have got 1.  No way the NBA is going to do that to the MVP and it is protecting him.

One point I saw last night, Danny Crawford has reffed 3 games that the Wolves have played in and has generally allowed a lot of physical play to happen.  If he refs tomorrow night, the Kings win

Also...I didn't mean to lump in the actions of a few with Kings fans in general.  It has been reported a couple of times though through the local media that the Kings fans are some of the foulest mouthed loudest group of people that the local reporters have ever encountered at Pro Sporting events.  They attribute it to being the only team and town and a frenzied atmosphere.  I think some of the crap especially the throwing of crap on the floor is very bushleague.  And to do it not once but twice shows that some of the people there don't respect what is happening out on the floor.  The local reporters have also said that they likened a lot of Kings fans to Vikings fans though, years of pent up frustration of being so close and never being able to climb and get over that hump that the mentality is at least somewhat in my mind warranted because I know where they are coming from
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: JediMAC on May 18, 2004, 07:04 PM
Hmm... fascinating to come on and read the opinions of the non-Kings fans... I am of Sacramento origin, and with that a Kings fan indeed.

AAAHHH!!!  A Kings fan...   >:(

::Throws all kinds of debris at Carpeteria::


Just kidding.  Glad to have some support for some of the other competition around here, so stick around Carpet!  Or at least until Game 7's over, when you'll hopefully be shown the door by the Wolves.   ;)  But like I said, if I had to put money on it, I'd probably go with the Kings at this point.

As for the Sacto fans, they remind me a lot of the UCSB Thunderdome college basketball fans of the late 80's/early 90's, and that's one helluva compliment.  I can only wish the Hollywood crowd that is Los Angeles sports fans, were even half the fans that the Sacto people are.  Staples Center is usually the quietest place in Los Angeles, even when there's a game in town.  It's almost as if it's considered "embarrassing" to cheer loudly for our team, unless it's a game winning shot at the buzzer type of moment.  I'd love it if our arena was crazy like it is up in Sacto.  That's a real home court advantage situation up there with their crazy, insane fans.  Yeah, we could do without the trash throwing, and maybe even the cowbell ringing, but aside from those things, the Kings fans are the best in the business from what I've seen.

L.A. fans are just like the L.A. teams - the regular season is boring and doesn't get them pumped up at all.  They really only seem somewhat interested come playoff time.  I saw a sports column a couple days ago on either ESPN.com or CNNSI.com, where the author was proclaiming L.A as the best sports city in America, 'cause the Lakers had just finished off the Spurs, and the Angels and Dodgers had the best records in their respective leagues.  I thought, what a joke.  If you want to be considered amongst the best cities in the country for sports, you have to at least have some decent fans.  Even though we're among the league leaders in attendance in both sports, our fans probably rank dead last when it comes to cheering, arriving on time and not leaving early, etc.  It's really pretty pathetic.   :-\

But at least I'm here to cheer wildly (and talk smack) for my teams!   8)
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: C on May 18, 2004, 07:16 PM

Also...I didn't mean to lump in the actions of a few with Kings fans in general.  It has been reported a couple of times though through the local media that the Kings fans are some of the foulest mouthed loudest group of people that the local reporters have ever encountered at Pro Sporting events.  They attribute it to being the only team and town and a frenzied atmosphere.  I think some of the crap especially the throwing of crap on the floor is very bushleague.  And to do it not once but twice shows that some of the people there don't respect what is happening out on the floor.  The local reporters have also said that they likened a lot of Kings fans to Vikings fans though, years of pent up frustration of being so close and never being able to climb and get over that hump that the mentality is at least somewhat in my mind warranted because I know where they are coming from

Agreed. It was truly only a handful of people throwing the glowsticks and maracas, just as it was only a small amount of people who booed Webber a few months ago. It's a lot of frustration, especially when we flirted with Indiana for the best team in the league this entire season, only to fall flat at the end of the regular games. This team is the best they've ever been in Sacto, and it's pure frustration when we expect so much more out of them.

Yeah, it's the only game in town, but it's more the fact that they were nearly the only game in the NBA for so long. It's rough out there.
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: C on May 18, 2004, 07:21 PM

::Throws all kinds of debris at Carpeteria::


Just kidding.  Glad to have some support for some of the other competition around here, so stick around Carpet!  Or at least until Game 7's over, when you'll hopefully be shown the door by the Wolves.   ;)  But like I said, if I had to put money on it, I'd probably go with the Kings at this point.

Sorry, pal. I am sincerely wishing for another Western Finals with Sacto and LA, if only for the pure revenge factor of it all. For my money, the only Western Finals should be between those two teams, what with the animosity we've had for so long. It makes for some gorgeous playing.

Yeah, Arco Arena is the loudest place possible, if only because it's one of the smallest arenas out there - I think it has like half the cubic space of Staples? And that's only ONE guy with a cowbell. If you want to see some exciting live basketball, visit Arco sometime. It's nuts.

So what about the East? What are the picks around here? I say Indiana versus Detroit with Indiana going all the way to lose to whatever Western team makes it through (Sacramento, rather).
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: Brian on May 19, 2004, 09:41 AM
I have respect for the Kings as well, and in most scenarios actually cheer for them quite a bit...and probably wouldn't have much problem with them at all if it wasn't for the fact they were playing against Minny right now.  Although I really hope the Wolves win tonight, I do agree that a Sacto/LA conference finals would be more than interesting...with all that history there.  That said though....go Wolves :)

Also, I agree, you guys have some of the best fans in the world out there.  Being from Nebraska, I kind of know where you are coming from with the "only game in town" type of thing.  We don't have any pro sports here (probably why I am a fan of Minnesota teams :P), but everyone around here lives and breathes Nebraska college football.  Stadium is sold out every week, no matter who we play.  I appreciate the fact that the Kings fans are fanatics...and I can believe it would be amazing to attend a game there.

As far as the East goes...well, now Indiana has won so they're moving on.  Not that I am surprised, but kind of was hoping for the Heat to at least win won more.  Played them very tough though...and that is a team to watch in upcoming seasons for sure.  I kind of think Detroit will end up coming out of the other bracket, but its a tough call.  Indy/Detroit should be a good series on the Eastern side though.
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: Scott on May 19, 2004, 09:45 AM
And be assured if the Kings win tonight, I'll be rooting for them like crazy to beat the Lakers :-*
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: C on May 19, 2004, 02:28 PM
And be assured if the Kings win tonight, I'll be rooting for them like crazy to beat the Lakers :-*

What sane person wouldn't?

I caught the Indiana/Miami final yesterday. I don't watch too much Eastern ball, and that game last night made me realize why. It just paled in comparison to the team ball that so many Western teams have. Miami had a good effort overall, but they were clearly a one-player team. Duane Wade is amazing; it's too bad he doesn't have teammates to back him up well. Indiana was mostly dominated by a pair of players as well, with Artest leading. Beyond just hometown loyalty, one of the reasons I love the Kings so much is their teamwork and depth of players. I just haven't seen that in any of the Eastern teams that have made it this far. Any Eastern fans can correct me if I'm misguided here...

Until then, unless these playoff games are flukes, give me Western Conference games any day over the East.
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: Scott on May 19, 2004, 10:32 PM
Someone pass the Pepto :-\ :'(
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: JediMAC on May 19, 2004, 10:35 PM
Well, the Wolves came out looking pretty good tonight, but the Kings have battled back and now the Pups have got their hands full.  God, I hope they can hang on...  Can't believe that dumbass Trent bricked that 1 foot gimme layup at the end of the third quarter - standing all by himself.  Boy, I sure hope that gaf doesn't come back to haunt them.   ::)

What sane person wouldn't?

Are you calling me insane?   :P

So what about the East? What are the picks around here?

East?  What's that?

OK, I'll play along.  Didn't expect Miami to advance, obviously, but I was a little bummed they couldn't push it to a Game 7.  Can't figure out why the hell Van Gundy took Dwayne Wade out for the final few possessions.  That was STUPID, and probably cost them the game, if not a potential tie.  Dumbass.

Indiana vs....  Hmm, gonna be a great game, but I guess I'll pick the Pistons over the Nets, just 'cause of their D, and the home court advantage.  But if they let New Jersey get out and run, they'll be in deep crap.  I think Indiana's playoff experience is going to win out against Detroit's tough D in the Conference Finals though.  I'd love to see the Pistons pull it off though.  Either way, they're just a sacrificial lamb to anyone in the West!
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: JediMAC on May 19, 2004, 11:01 PM
Quote
Can't believe that dumbass Trent bricked that 1 foot gimme layup

And Webber returns the favor!  Only to have Cassell hand the ball right back to them.  Garnett with a HUGE steal, but misses a big free throw.  Then a STUPID foul on Bibby, and now you guys are just back to a 3 point lead.  Crazy stuff here.  Man, you guys are really trying to screw this up Scott!  Knock it off!
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: JediMAC on May 19, 2004, 11:04 PM
Pups are in trouble.  Keep missing your 4th quarter free throws and you dumbasses are gonna be TOAST.   ::)

Who do you guys think you are, the Lakers?!
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: Scott on May 19, 2004, 11:07 PM
Extra Strength Pepto Please :o
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: JediMAC on May 19, 2004, 11:10 PM
You're my bitch now, Scott.   :-*



BTW, congrats.   ;)
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: Jeff on May 19, 2004, 11:11 PM
YeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeHaaw!

LAkers are next!

Ah-wooooooooooooooooooooooooo.

Jeff
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: JediMAC on May 19, 2004, 11:17 PM
I'll go easy on Jeff, Brian, Jim, and Brent.  Congrats to all you fellas as well.

Man, you were lucky on Webber's last shot there - that thing was in and out!  You won that game by half an inch.  Unfortunately, you're in BIG trouble now that you'll be playing with the BIG BOYS!   :-*
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: JediMAC on May 19, 2004, 11:19 PM
Can someone please check on Scott.  I think he's either had a heart attack, or OD'd on that Pepto...
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: Morgbug on May 19, 2004, 11:19 PM
I'll go easy on Jeff, Brian, Jim, and Brent.  Congrats to all you fellas as well.


Are you just getting soft, or scared :-*  Well, I suppose we knew you were soft (around the middle) so it must be teh latter ;)
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: JediMAC on May 19, 2004, 11:23 PM
Are you just getting soft, or scared :-*  Well, I suppose we knew you were soft (around the middle) so it must be teh latter ;)

I take that back.  You're my Wolves bitch now too Brent.  Actually, you're a Celtics fan, so you don't even count now that I think about it.  Are the Wolves your #2 team though?

Scott?  Paging Scott Pearson.  Anyone?  Anyone...?  Beuller?
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: Scott on May 19, 2004, 11:27 PM
Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaawooooooooooooooo

Just peeled myself off the ceiling

So....

Wolves win Colman changes his user name to I Love KG for the rest of the Playoffs

Lakers win I change my user name to I Love Kobe Bryant

Shake???
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: Scott on May 19, 2004, 11:29 PM
Oh and BTW...that is what we have been seeing for the last 8 years from the MVP of the league.  People can talk Duncan this and Kobe that, the 6' 13" Kevin Garnett is the best player on the planet.  Un'f'n believable!!!

BTW...Turnovers and Cassell's back remain Pepto moments for me, I don't know if the Wolves can beat the Lakers with a gimpy #19
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: Jeff on May 19, 2004, 11:36 PM
I saw Mad-Dog (the ex-LAker Dance Machine) turn it over THREE times under the basket at key stretches in the 3rd when Sacto went on a run to close the gap.  Not cool for the next round.

I also agree., a gimpy Sammy C = no good :(  Hope he gets a chance to rest that back.

Jeff
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: JediMAC on May 19, 2004, 11:38 PM
So....

Wolves win Colman changes his user name to I Love KG for the rest of the Playoffs

Lakers win I change my user name to I Love Kobe Bryant

Shake???

Deal.

But that's not so tough for me, 'cause I actually really do like KG.  Hell, Patty loves the guy.  This was a win-win situation for me tonight.  We get the team who I think is a far easier matchup for us, plus, on the bizarro chance that Shaq and Kobe both get injured and we actually lose, we get the only other team that I wouldn't mind see winning going to the Finals in our place.  Not that it's going to happen of course, but it'd be a helluva lot better than seeing the dreaded Kings somehow miraculously make the Finals.

See the TNT postgame show?  The commentators (Barkley, Kenny, Kerr, etc.) are not feeling too good about the Wolves chances, to put it mildly...   :P

Gimpy #19, or not - you're toast.   :-*  Now if Laker-killer Troy Hudson was actually healthy, then you might actually be able to win a couple games, instead of just one.  Unfortunately, it looks like you'll just get one.  I predict it'll be Game 2.  Enjoy.   :-*
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: Brian on May 20, 2004, 09:35 AM
(http://espn-att.starwave.com/media/nba/2004/0519/photo/garnett_06_ft.jpg)

Looks like I'm a little late to the party here, but whew.  What a game.  KG is un-freaking-believable.  Played HUGE once again tonight, and I'm glad that the Wolves were able to pull it out.  I think my heart stopped when Webber's three went up, and to be honest, if I feel bad for anyone...I feel bad for him a little bit.  But, I'm over it now, because I'm happy the Wolves have moved on.  They are such a fun team to watch, I've always been a big KG fan, but it is nice to see other guys like Spree and Cassell play with all that heart.  Much of the team (outside of Garnett and some quality minutes from Cassell/Szczerbiak) didn't really play all that well, so its good to get away with that win.

Now, on to the Lakers.  Should definitely be some intersting chatter around here.  I will admit, its going to be a tough matchup for Minny, but I hope we can have a good, clean, competitive series.  On the East side of things, another game 7 tonight...tough one to call, depending on how the game is played.  I will go with Detroit, simple to have someone different representing the East this year.  Indy/Detroit could be a heck of a conf. finals, for the East.  I'll join Scott in the howling now......aaawwwoooooo.  Tune in Friday :)
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: Scott on May 20, 2004, 09:57 AM
Need I post the results from this years head to head matchups again

So, is the Lakers rustiness from having 6 days off going to offset the Wolves fatigue from having to play again tomorrow?  I hope so, how stupid is it that there were stretches in the first round where there was 1 game in 6 days and then the Wolves have to play 3 games in 6 while the Lakers got a week off to rest and suntan

PG

Cassell vs Payton

Push, Cassell's gimpiness makes this an even matchup IMO, Payton is nowhere near the player he once was and hopefully with some treatment Cassell can have a hot first half like he did last night

SG

Hassell vs Kobe

Kobe, not even close, but...Hassell did a wonderful job shutting down Peja, I think he'll be better than the overrated Bruce Bowen in doing the same with Kobe

SF

Sprewell vs George or Fox

Sprewell...again not even close.  This is the biggest matchup the Wolves need to exploit.  Spree plays like he did in games 5 and 6 the Wolves will win almost every time

PF

Garnett vs Grandpa

 ::)

C

Shaq vs 4 Headed Monster of Johnson, Miller, Kandi Man and Madsen

 ::)

Although I will say that the Haq a Shaq has been working for the most part since Shaq has been atrocious from the line...hopefully Kandi makes a reappearance this series, he will almost have to with Haq a Shaq

Bench

Wolves, I'll take Hoiberg, Wally and Trent over Medvedenko and Fisher anyday.  This is another key in the series.  The way to beat the Lakers is with Depth, they have that at Center and they have scorers who can give Cassell and Sprewell rests.  Having Payton and Fisher on the floor at the same time might pose some match up problems but so will having Wally and Sprewell and Cassell

Coach

Jackson vs Saunders

Lakers, I think Jackson is the most overrated coach in history.  Sure he's got the rings but he's also had the best player of all time in Chicago and 2 of the best ever in Shaq and CryBaby Raper.  The Wolves Turnoversa and 4th Quarter collapses shows me that Saunders isn't that great of a coach either.  He did make some moves against the Kings to turn things around but I don't think he's better than Jackson.

So, my prediction...Lakers in 6 :-\  I just don't see how they are going to be able to stop both Shaq and Kobe and the Lakers will be able to stop KG but that means Sprewell and Cassell need to step up for 4 huge games.  I can see it happening 2-3 times but not the 4 needed to win.  I also think the Lakers will steal one here take both in LA, Wolves will win Game 5 and then the Lakers win in Game 6.

I hope to all hopes that I am wrong, there would be nothing greater in my lifetime than to see this team win this series and have a shot at the Championship, the Lakers are jsut playing so well and the Wolves are tired and banged up that its going to be really hard for them to keep the energy and intensity up there to make it to the Finals.

For now though...Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaawwwoooooooooooo
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: C on May 20, 2004, 03:44 PM
(http://www.sacbee.com/ips_rich_content/658-webber.jpg)
Bah. That image says it all for me. Quite fitting that the last Sacto possesion of the year goes to C-Webb and it misses by a fraction, considering the weight placed on him these last few months (and the anticpation of his return the whole season). That game was what I thought it would be, minus the Sacto loss.

People are already up in arms about the offseason in Sacramento, but I don't think any huge roster changes will take place. I think the media is trying to make a big deal out of "Webber wants out" and trying to pit the Kings against themselves. In the first place, no one would take Webber with his contract $$$ and his still healing knee. Beyond that, there's no call for Sacto to ditch Webber when it was players like Peja who fell through the cracks at the end. I just don't see any kind of crazy offseason changeups like so many people are rallying around now.

KG was awesome, but you're looking at a troubled Minnesota, with Cassell in robot mode. I'll pull for them to beat LA, but I don't know... I just pray that LA doesn't get through with another championship. Good lord, that's the last thing basketball needs.

And I'm not saying Lakers fans are crazy (not that Nicholson is the sanest guy) but you folks have one weird-ass team down there.

Anyway, Sacramento in 2005, yo. Watch out. Or something.
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: Scott on May 20, 2004, 03:49 PM
Healthy Webber would have meant 2004 Champions, no doubt in my mind

Agreed on Peja too, 8 points for the third place vote getter for MVP?  Come on
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: JediMAC on May 20, 2004, 10:59 PM
Detroit manhandles the Nets, holding Kidd completely scoreless for the entire game.   8)  I love the poetic justice that Kidd, the player who booted my boy Byron Scott out of the head coaching gig, is the one who's most at fault for them getting spanked and booted from the Playoffs.  Nice job there JKidd.   :-*

Should be a great series between Detriot and Indy.  Hopefully Detroit pulls it out in the end though.  I dig Ben Wallace.  That guy's a stud.  I generally despise most of the Pacers players though.  So GO PISTONS!

As for the Kings, I agree with Carpeteria.  There's no major need for wholesale changes here.  This is still a great team, just one that constantly falls just short (Game 7's) come playoff time.  Webber's not to blame, and is a great player who gets undeservedly blamed for a lot of Sacto's problems.  The bigger scapegoat should be Peja, who keeps disappearing on them.  For a player of his caliber, that's a big problem in such a crucial game.  But considering he's one of the leagues best shooters, if not THE best, I wouldn't dare dump him.  The bench is pretty week too there, so that's one spot they could use a serious boost, especially when Peeler's suspended and Jackson's injured.  There's talk that the Kings are one of the 4 teams that T-Mac's considering going to, so that could definitely stir things up over there, big time.  We'll see.

Healthy Webber would have meant 2004 Champions, no doubt in my mind

 ???  Dumbass.   ::)  He's been perfectly healthy in the past, and they haven't done it.  Wouldn't have happened this year either.   :-*
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: Scott on May 20, 2004, 11:36 PM
National media is treating this series much like Colman here, the Lakers are already basically the Champions and the next 14 games are just a formality ::) ::)

Wolves little more than speed bump to L.A. (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/playoffs2004/columns/story?columnist=stein_marc&id=1805253) ::) ::) ::) ::)
Lakers confident, rested and ready for Wolves (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/playoffs2004/news/story?id=1805911)

Sure I think the Lakers are a better team but that's only because of injuries right now, if the Wolves were healthy, they could definitely take them

I'll be really keyed in on Hassell vs Kobe.  Hassell has shut down Carmelo and Peja almost completely, he's going to pester Kobe something fierce.  It will be Shaq vs our 4 Big guys to see what will happen

I predict a Game 1 Wolves win...Game 2 is the toughie
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: Nicklab on May 20, 2004, 11:44 PM
The Nets definitely had heart, but tonight they got their asses handed to them.  They should've won this series at home on Sunday, but they just didn't capitalize on the momentum of last Friday's Triple OT game.  They really need a legitimate big man, and as long as they keep winning, they're not going to get one unless they want to shell out some serious bank.

I wouldn't say that Kidd was completely responsible for the loss.  Everyone in the NBA knows that the Nets live by the fastbreak, and they got shutdown that way.  Plus, they're shooting percentages need to improve.

Byron Scott definitely wasn't adding to the team.  With the Nets success of the past couple of years, it's been the assistant coaches who have carried Byron the entire time.  In the 2002-03 season, it was Eddie Jordan who was pretty much running the team.  This season, it was still the assistants who were running the team.  Kidd ran the team on the floor, and Frank ran the practices.  It took firing Byron Scott for people to realize this.
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: Scott on May 21, 2004, 05:22 PM
I didn't watch much of the Nets/Pistons game last night but Kidd had 0 points???  Holy crap is that awful
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: Scott on May 21, 2004, 10:19 PM
Good First Half, I can tell the Wolves just played Wednesday and the Lakers have had a rest, the Wolves look flat while the Lakers look energized.  Bad Turnovers...again ::)  Only down by two...and the bext part of the game.  The rebirth of the Kandi Man!!!
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: Scott on May 21, 2004, 11:42 PM
Aaaaaaaa hack gack hack :-X

Good game, about what I expected, Wolves hit some shots and had fewer turnovers and a healthy #19 it would have been different. Damn the NBA and their stupid ass schedule
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: Scott on May 21, 2004, 11:43 PM
And I better not hear a peep outta anyone west of Las Vegas on this game tonight or I'll have Chris Berry send them a Cease and Desist
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: JediMAC on May 22, 2004, 02:49 AM
National media is treating this series much like Colman here, the Lakers are already basically the Champions and the next 14 games are just a formality...

I think you meant 8 games, right?   :-*
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: C on May 22, 2004, 12:31 PM
Peep. My heart's not in it anymore. I hope they both lose. But especially LA.
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: Scott on May 22, 2004, 11:20 PM
Cassell probably won't play...Wolves go down in 4 :'(

This sucks, really, if he was healthy I think they could have taken them.  With him hurt they have no shot :'( :'( :'( :'(
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: Scott on May 23, 2004, 09:02 AM
Great game betwixt the Pacers and Pistons last night, Miller hit a huge shot at the end of the game.

Watching it though, there is no way either team will beat the Western team
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: Scott on May 23, 2004, 09:04 AM
Oh, and it seems like Cassell actually might play tonight.  Play is the key word...his injury cannot be understated but it might be lessened if Hudson were around too :'(
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: Morgbug on May 23, 2004, 11:14 PM
Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaooooooooooooooo.  

Yeah, it still doesn't bode well with heading to the wet coast, but hey, it is even.  Nice. :)
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: Scott on May 23, 2004, 11:36 PM
Aaaaaaaaaaawoooooooooo

8 Turnovers...wow what a difference that makes

Lakers looked unispired

Malone got ejected, he's one of the dirtiest players in NBA history, I admire his abilities but hate him as a player.  Retire you washed up fossil

No Sammy C means no wins in LA, he should sit out game 3 and try it for game 4....especially with Bryant missing part of game 4 for having raped a girl in Colorado
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: Scott on May 24, 2004, 11:09 AM
Thinking about it again, I think Sammy should rest until Game 5, with Kobe missing a big part of Game 4, there is a chance we can steal that one with Martin at the Point which means a healthy Cassell back here might be enough to send the momentum our way


Aaaaaaaawooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: Brian on May 24, 2004, 11:57 AM
Yeah, great game yesterday, and happy to see the Wolves win one.  I'm with you Scott, I really think if the Wolves were at 100%, they could take the Lakers, or at least take them to 7 games.  Series is tied up, if they could get a split out in LA, I'd be pretty happy.  Martin played very well yesterday, and WallyWorld was back at it again as well.  A dirty game though, got pretty physical.  I agree with you about Karl Malone, I respect him that he has great ability, and is one of the best players the game has seen, but he sure is dirty (and always has been).  I used to sort of be a Gary Payton fan as well, but he sure seems to like to cause trouble as well (and never foul or do anything wrong).  Either way, I expect Game 3 to be a doozy...Lakers are mad now.  If Minny can keep the turnovers down and continue to get good play from Martin and Wally, this could be a different series.  Wish Sammy (and Troy) were healthy though.
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: JediMAC on May 24, 2004, 06:42 PM
Now if Laker-killer Troy Hudson was actually healthy, then you might actually be able to win a couple games, instead of just one.  Unfortunately, it looks like you'll just get one.  I predict it'll be Game 2.  Enjoy.   :-*

Hmm...  Guess I'll go back to my original prediction here.   ;)

Lakers looked unispired

Indeed.   ::)  Guess the decided one win in Minnesota was plenty, and they'd just relax and enjoy it 'til they get back to L.A. where they'd try to get down to business again.  Granted, the Wolves stepped up defense definitely played a part in our futility, but I think that was coincidentally in conjuction with one of our poorest performances of the year, especially in the shooting department.  The whole team (except Kobe in the first half) just looked like $h!t.

Shaq appeared to be having "issues" again as well, as in - "OK Kobe, fine.  You take over and see if you can win without me."  Same issue Kobe likes to show off occasionally.  Sure, the Wolves surrounded Shaq pretty good when he got the ball in the post, but there were many times that he got the ball, with only one defender on him, and he didn't even look for his shot AT ALL.  Shaq didn't even seem slightly interested until the very end of the third quarter.  But when he made that bad pass leading to a Minnesota 3-pointer, right after we cut the lead down to 7, that was essentially the end of it.

Shaq also went on another juvenile tirade to the local press, about how he won't be "devalued" when it comes to his contract renogotiation, and went on and on about how he is the General Manager of the Lakers.  He's the one who makes the phone calls and brings the free agents in.  He's the one who makes everyone's games a lot easier, thus adding years onto their careers, etc., etc...  Great time for another team controversy, and with management this time, among others.  What an idiot.   >:(

....especially with Bryant missing part of game 4 for having raped a girl in Colorado

Speaking of idiots...  I'm not even going to comment on this asinine statement, dumbass.
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: Scott on May 24, 2004, 07:30 PM
OK...at best...committed adultery with some floosy in Colorado.  Report on ESPN that he'll now be back in time, whew ::)
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: Scott on May 24, 2004, 10:52 PM
OIK, who just saw one of the most amazing sequences in NBA history?  2 block shots and Prince blocking Reggie Miller on a wide open breakaway with 14 seconds left, there was no way Prince was going to get there and he made one of the most amazing plays I think I have ever seen.  Watch Sportscenter tonight!!!
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: Scott on May 24, 2004, 11:38 PM
26 Blocked Shots by the Pacers and Pistons tonight including that incredible stretch run at the end.  Really good game

Man I hope the Wolves get one Back in LA.  Gives me at least one more weekend of hoops then! (that I actually care about)
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: Matt on May 25, 2004, 12:02 AM
OIK, who just saw one of the most amazing sequences in NBA history?  2 block shots and Prince blocking Reggie Miller on a wide open breakaway with 14 seconds left, there was no way Prince was going to get there and he made one of the most amazing plays I think I have ever seen.  Watch Sportscenter tonight!!!

(http://www.jedidefender.com/yabbse/attachments/cs_seas2pics_11.jpg)

Game. . .  Blouses.
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: JediMAC on May 25, 2004, 12:15 AM
OK...at best...committed adultery with some floosy in Colorado.

Indeed.  Thank you.  This ain't a slam dunk case like the Puckett one was, ya' know...   :-*

Nice to see Detroit even it up tonight too.  That was an incredible block by Prince there.  Definitely kept the Pacers from sneaking back into it right at the end there...

Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: Brian on May 25, 2004, 08:36 AM
Prince's block was unbelievable, when watching the game I didn't even see him...seemed like he came out of nowhere for that.  Nice to see it evened up, the better competition in both of these series, the better.  Except, Rasheed got his "guaranteed" win, could have done without that  ;)
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: Jeff on May 25, 2004, 09:35 AM
The more I think about the T-wolves/LAkers series, the more I think it's gonna go exactly like the Sacto series...

Game 1 - LA
Game 2 - T-Wolves
Game 3 - T-Wolves
Game 4 - LA
Game 5 - T-Wolves
Game 6 - LA
Game 7 - T-Wolves

Of course, by stating this aloud, I may have just jinxed our squad... if so, I'm sorry Scott  :-X

Eh, I still think they'll steal one in LA.  The LAkers still seem annoyed by the game 2 loss and I think it'll take a game 3 loss before they get really mad and destroy us in LA in game 4, bringing it back to the State of Hockey all tied up at 2-2.

Jeff
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: Scott on May 25, 2004, 10:13 AM
How in the hell does Malone not get a game off for nailing Martin in the throat the other night? ::)  The League obviously wants LA in the Finals at no cost, his hit was almost as bad as Peeler's and he got a slap on the wrist ::) ::) ::) ::)  If it were Kobe he would have been told nice play At Best Adulterer

I dunno Jeff, we need Cassell healthy (my rant for the last 5 days I know) to do anything this round.  Even without him they have a chance to steal one depending how into it the Lakers are in Games 3 or 4.  Their wanton laisse-faire attitude to playing is disgusting and there is no way they should win based on the BS way they play when they wanna play...

(http://graphics.jsonline.com/graphics/packer/img/rev/nov02/moss1117.jpg)
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: Scott on May 25, 2004, 11:23 AM
David Aldridge Agrees With Me (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/playoffs2004/columns/story?columnist=aldridge_david&id=1808516)
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: Scott on May 25, 2004, 12:17 PM
(http://i.a.cnn.net/si/2004/basketball/nba/05/24/bc.bkn.grizzlieslogo.ap/p1_grizzlies.jpg)

New Look for the Grizz...hmm looks familiar ::)

(http://www.saint-paul.com/sports/images/wolveslogo.jpg)
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: C on May 25, 2004, 01:00 PM
(http://www.campbellclinic.com/specialties/grizzlies.gif)

Their old one didn't look that different, either, it just had a body around the bear. I think, with the mouth open, their old logo looks more like the TWolves logo than the new one.
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: JediMAC on May 25, 2004, 07:06 PM

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      From JediMAC: P.S.  In case you didn't notice, the Lakers are genuinely uninterested in the regular season.  They proved all season that they could give a rat's ass about it.

       From mosnab: This is a true statement most definitely Matt.  To me, as a lifetime basketball (particularly NBA) fan and follower, this is one reason that despite all the championships and success, it kind of tarnishes their standing in the "all time great teams" categories in my eyes.  No disrespect to the team, or any of its fans, because they are very, very good...and could be on their way to another title this year (should be with 4 HOFers  :P ), but I think the great teams bring it every game...regular season, playoffs, etc.

I wholeheartedly agree with that assesment Brian, and that's what makes it so damned frustrating being a Laker fan during the regular season.  Sure, we usually put up a pretty good record each season (57+ wins), but we should be putting up a solid 60+ wins every year.  We should have THE BEST record in the league every year.  We should be trying to knock off the Bulls record of 72 wins.  We should be playing 110% EVERY single game.  But we do NONE of those things.  They just cruise through the regular season rather non-chalant, playing hard when they feel inspired to do so.  But we definitely don't "bring it" on a nightly basis like the Bulls did, and that pisses me off to no end.

If we win another Championship this year making it 4 out of 5, it will definitely put us in the discussion of "best teams ever", but IMO this team will always be a distant 3rd to the 80's Lakers and the 90's Bulls...

Looks like Marty Burns (of CNNSI.com) agrees (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2004/writers/marty_burns/05/25/lakers.intensity/index.html) with Brian and I...   ;)

Sorry Malone didn't get suspended, but at least Martin doesn't have a nasty shiner like Fisher does...   :P
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: Scott on May 25, 2004, 11:47 PM
Damn that's one they should have won, especially with Crybaby taking the first half off ::) ::) ::)  I have about this much respect for the guy...

OCB's Respect for Kobe Bryant = OCB's Respect for This Guy (http://threads.rebelscum.com/showprofile.php?Cat=&User=59&page=1&what=showmembers) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: JediMAC on May 26, 2004, 02:10 AM
Yep.  More Laker issues.  Not too many games where we actually go without any drama.  Oh well, at least GP finally stepped up and scored a few points, for once this season.  Of course, after he's got 14 points in the first 7 minutes, Phil steps in to ruin the fun as usual, by taking out the hot player and benching him so he can sufficiently cool off for the remainder of the game.  No idea WTF goes through this coach's brain, but he does this crap all the time.  Get hot, ride the pine.  He'll occasionally let Kobe slide, but even with him, he gets grounded to the bench if he hits more than 5 or 6 straight shots.  Phil benched Devean George in one of those two losses to the Spurs, after he hit 4 or 5 in a row, and had several steals over a short stretch.  That move by Phil cost us the game against San Antonio.  What a jackass that guy can be...

As for the rest of the game, nice to finally see KG get called for a foul, after 2 games where he apparently played FLAWLESS defense, committing NO fouls (aside for a couple intentional ones at the end of the 4th quarter of game 1).  Nice to see the refs decide to change the rules and no longer call INTENTIONAL fouls against Shaq.  Damn, that was interesting.  Madsen mugging him and calling for the foul from the ref, but not getting it.  My prediction:  that ref gets fined, and might not get to ref any further Playoff games.  I love it when refs decide that they're bigger than the game itself, and make up their own rules.

No idea WTF was up Kobe's butt in the first half, since I surprisingly haven't heard anything in the press prior to tonight's game that would've riled him up...  Best moment of the night:  Shaq getting pissed at Craig Sager in the post game courtside interview and telling him that "your suit is ugly."  'Bout time someone told that dumbass Sager that.  He dresses like...  Hmmm...  I dunno.  A clown, perhaps?  I've always hated him, so I'm glad to see Shaq stick it to that pompous *******.

Tonight felt a lot like Game 1.  Seemed like we were playing pretty good ball, and had control of the game throughout, but oddly enough never had that big a lead.  We were usually only up about 7 when it seemed like it should be about 20.  Sczerbiak's 3rd quarter tear sure kept the Wolves in it though.  That was a pretty impressive display.  Good to see Flip's still spilling excuses out left and right in the post game press conference...   :-\

I just wish Cassell was 100%, so we could beat MN at full strength.
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: Scott on May 26, 2004, 07:23 AM
I just wish Cassell was 100%, so we could beat MN at full strength.
dumbass ::)
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: Brian on May 26, 2004, 09:01 AM
I thought this was a game the Wolves could have stolen as well, but unfortunately it didn't work out that way.  The thing I don't understand about Kobe is, he is one of the best players in the league, and probably the best guard, and you're telling me he can't get his shots in the flow of the offense?  I guess that's one of the things that really bugs me about him, his either selfish, or entirely too selfless play...if you know what I mean.  You know he could have scored more in the first half, but luckily LA didn't really need it.  I just think, after watching him for a number of years now that he seems to take the first half off a lot...only to come back and shoot like crazy in the 2nd, to make it look like he's "clutch".  Don't get me wrong, that guy can hit a game winner better than most anyone in the league now, but it seems like he intentionally "saves" his scoring for the 4th quarter...and the league, play by play guys, and media just eat that up.  Definitely a weird game for the Lakers, like Matt said.  Weird game overall, didn't ever seem like anyone was trying to run away with it....kind of a boring game in many ways it seemed.

Disappointed Minny couldn't pull this one out though, thought it might be a better chance than Game 4.  You know Kobe will try to go for 40+, so it looks "amazing" that he gives this performance after sitting around all day in a court room.  I thought it was funny (I think Barkley said it), that the media makes such a big deal about him playing well after a day in court...because all he has to do is mutter a couple of words and sit all day, like Charles said "if he was scooping coal all day, then came to score 40, that is more impressive".  Other than Szczerbiak, it didn't seem like any of the Wolves played particularly well in this game....Garnett had a tough night shooting, and Spree was off the majority of the game too.  Hopefully we can get the next one.

I agree with what Matt and others have said about Phil Jackson, I have really lost a lot of respect for him.  When he was in Chicago, I used to think he was a good coach, but I'm beginning to wonder.  He's just had himself in the perfect situations for coaching.  Tim Floyd could probably go to the finals with this Lakers team :).  Its funny, he'll probably go down in the books with the most NBA titles, but definitely isn't the best coach.  Also, I was curious, how is Shaq able to get away with ramming his shoulder into the defender on every single post move he does?  Now I know that a lot of stars get no calls or sometimes preferential treatment from the refs (KG included), but I have been watching and playing basketball as long as I can remember...and I always thought that what Shaq does is an offensive foul.  He shouldn't be able to do that, just because he's bigger.  A foul is a foul.  That attempted intentional fouling of Shaq that the ref didn't call was unusual though, both teams were complaining about it.  Strange.  And...not that he needed it I guess, but on that note it amazes me that after all these years, playoff experience, rings, etc. that Shaq still can't shoot at least 50 or 60% from the line.  I mean, all you do is play basketball for a living, not like he doesn't get enough practice (this is a problem with a number of players though, not just Shaq).

Anyways, Lakers up 2-1, and I'm worried the Wolves might have missed their chance to steal one out there.  We'll see though, have to have faith in them :).  Meanwhile, Pistons - Pacers Game 3 tonight, as well as the lottery to determine who gets the top pick in the draft this June.  We know it won't be any of these teams  ;)
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: Scott on May 26, 2004, 09:17 AM
The lottery is one of those things like the NFL and NBA Drafts that for some reason to me is really cool.  I'm ticked that all of the playoffs are on Cable this year, I miss the Sunday afternoon games on NBC (even though every week it was the Blazers/Lakers and Bulls/Knicks ::))  I've read a couple of articles about people complaining about the same thing and how ratings are way down over NBC's coverage.  The NBA sees cable as the future and most sports fans will have cable and they really don't care that much for the casual viewer

I've been complaining about Shaq for years, I also admit that he is the hardest person in NBA history to ref.  He throws around his weight so much that you could call a foul on him every single game and then to top it off the defender cannot play as physical as what he dishes out or he gets called for cheap ass fouls.  Its maddening....same goes for Kobe getting horrible calls all of the time and when he doesn't he stands there and whines to the official while play is going on...loser

I watched a little of ESPN's postgame last night and one of the guys was saying the Wolves have no shot at winning because they have no offensive threat in the post and because of that Shaq can just have free will on D and also relax a little...I think that is true.  The Wolves centers have been pathetic with the exception of Kandi's 1st Half in Game 1 and Shaq has been able to just camp out in the lane (another beef, the dude could get called for 3 seconds every time down the court) and force the Wolves to take jumpers all day long.  That's fine when they are making them and they are one of the best shooting teams in the league, its not fine like last night when for large stretches they couldn't hit the broad side of a barn

Good points on Kobe too Brian, he such a media darling it almost makes me want to puke. "Kobe, you are the greatest alleged rapist on the planet!"
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: Brian on May 26, 2004, 09:56 AM
I've felt that way about Shaq for a long time too, long before they won any titles even.  He gets a distinct advantage that he shouldn't even need, since he is already bigger and stronger than everyone else in the league.  Its probably a little bit of sour grapes with me too though, because I'm tired of seeing the Lakers win the title every year.  I've always been like that I guess (with the exception of the Bulls run in the 90s)...I had a strong disliking of the Cowboys, 49ers, Braves, and Yankees as well when they were always winning.  I think with the Lakers its a combination of things....I've never liked Karl Malone much either (mainly because of his dirty play), and the fact that he and Gary Payton are riding Shaq and Kobe's coat tails to a title kind of disappoints me too.  But, at the same time, maybe I'm whining because it shouldn't be "fair" to have 4 HOFers on the same team (and the media glorifying them for winning what they should doesn't help matters any).  Its the combination of all of them together on the same team.....as much as Lakers fans would hate it, I personally would enjoy seeing Kobe go elsewhere (Clippers or somewhere) after the season and seeing how Shaq and himself do seperate from one another.  Those would be some great head to head games to watch.  I don't think I'd have as much problem with the Lakers if those guys were on different teams...the one player I really dislike on LA otherwise is Devean George...because...does that guy EVER foul or do anything wrong?  I have never seen him get called for something and not complain :)

Aside from that...congrats to Lakers fans on the win (and the past success).  I'm not trying to take anything from you or your team, you're one of the great ones, just some things that bother me about them (and probably come out more because you're beating Minny).  Anyways, I hope the series continues to be competitive.  Also...I agree about the lottery Scott, I always enjoy it too.  I pretty much like anything NBA though, and have always enjoyed watching it.  It'll be interesting to see how the draft goes too.
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: Morgbug on May 26, 2004, 12:03 PM


I've been complaining about Shaq for years, I also admit that he is the hardest person in NBA history to ref.  He throws around his weight so much that you could call a foul on him every single game and then to top it off the defender cannot play as physical as what he dishes out or he gets called for cheap ass fouls.  Its maddening....same goes for Kobe getting horrible calls all of the time and when he doesn't he stands there and whines to the official while play is going on...loser


This is precisely why I watch so little of the NBA anymore.  Yeah, I hate the Lakers, but not as much now as I did during the glory years with the Celtics.  But Magic and Jabbar were good, clean players.  The game was about running and shooting, not beating the snot out of each other.  

As far as Shaq goes, he's a buffoon.  Sorry, still stuck on his innate inability to shoot free throws.  And don't throw 70% at me, that's crap.  You're paid millions, practice.  Practice more until you get it right.  It's not that hard.  Hell, I can do it.  

The league doesn't play basketball anymore.  Shaq should be fouled out within the first 5 minutes.  Period.  And people say he's better than Wilt or Russell.  Nuh-uh, they never had the freedom to bully people, they had to play basketball, but the rules.  

NBA = joke of what was a beautiful sport.
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: Scott on May 26, 2004, 12:09 PM
What bugs me worse is the smug bastards that cheer for the Lakers who basically say "Yep, that's the way it is, we rule everyone else deal with it"  It was disgusting seeing some of those calls last night...Johnson would breath a little heavily on Shaq and the whistle would blow ::)
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: Brian on May 26, 2004, 12:18 PM
I thought that they were a little touchy with whoever was guarding Shaq too, that's what got my started on him getting a lot of calls.  Nice post Brent, I agree with you.  I'm still a big NBA fan, and follow it closely, but it does sadden me that it has become overly physical, and not as much of an "art" as basketball once was.  I'm all for dunks and highlights, but the constant bumping and fouling (especially in the playoffs) I could do without.  A friend of mine and I were just talking about that the other day, how much the game has changed even since the Pistons "Bad Boys" and Bulls days.  Those were physical games back then, but they are the norm anymore.
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: JediMAC on May 26, 2004, 07:26 PM
...The thing I don't understand about Kobe is, he is one of the best players in the league, and probably the best guard, and you're telling me he can't get his shots in the flow of the offense?  I guess that's one of the things that really bugs me about him, his either selfish, or entirely too selfless play...if you know what I mean.  You know he could have scored more in the first half, but luckily LA didn't really need it.  I just think, after watching him for a number of years now that he seems to take the first half off a lot...only to come back and shoot like crazy in the 2nd, to make it look like he's "clutch".  Don't get me wrong, that guy can hit a game winner better than most anyone in the league now, but it seems like he intentionally "saves" his scoring for the 4th quarter...and the league, play by play guys, and media just eat that up...

Again, Brian's right on target here.  Kobe's often been accused of sabotaging games early on (ever since high school), to try leave room for him to swoop in and pull out a miraculous win with his clutch play down the stretch of the game.  People have made a big stink (rightfully so) about that Sacto game near the end of the regular season, as well as this last game, where Kobe doesn't shoot in the first half.  Well, those have not been isolated incidents at all.  He's done the exact same thing at least 5 or 6 other times this season - to the T.  The only difference being that those weren't in such hyped up nationally televised games.  He also loves to go nuts after his court visits, to show folks that his "infidelity issue" isn't affecting him at the office, so ya' better watch out tomorrow night...

There's still no doubt in my mind that he's the most clutch player in the league when it comes to hitting game winning shots, or buzzer beating shots (at the quarter, half, etc.).  He does it with great frequency throughout the year.  But as Brian pointed out, these clutch game winning shots wouldn't be necessary (and therefore as amazing) if Kobe wasn't dorking around earlier in the game to get them in that situation.

The kid's got more talent, passion, and will than anyone in the game.  Just give him Kevin Garnett's heart and 110% constant effort and he'd be right up there with Jordan as the best ever.

Of course, Shaq's got many of his own issues, which are often not as clearly evident as Kobe's.  But his effort is FAR from 100% on a routine basis - especially when it comes to defense.  That's partially to do with the fact that he doesn't keep himself in very good shape a lot of the time, and consequently is often injured, recovering, slow, fat, less than 100%, whatever...

He also relies on his size instead of fundamental basketball skills for a lot of things, most noticably rebounding.  He rarely actually boxes his man out.  He just assumes he's big enough to keep his guy from sneaking around him to steal a rebound, which is exactly what often happens.  He's been rebounding and blocking shots much better in the playoffs than he was in the regular season - almost double his regular stats in both areas.  Shows you what he thinks of the regular season, just like much of our team.

As for Shaq's offensive fouls, or lack thereof - I look at it pretty much as a wash.  Whereas some of you think he fouls every time he makes an offensive move, a vast majority of people think he gets fouled, and fouled hard almost everytime he touches the ball, and usually by multiple opposing players, no less.  At his advantageous size, he pretty much has to get fouled if any opposing (smaller) player expects to have any chance at stopping him.  But yeah, some of his post moves definitely look like offensive fouls sometimes too.  So he gets it, and he gives it.  Neither of which are called nearly enough to be considered correct.  So it's just a wash in my book.

And I'll agree with the sentiment about how the style of play in the NBA has detrimentally changed over the years, which is why I said I'd watch the 80's Showtime Lakers any day of the week over our current team.  Hell, to be honest, I sometimes enjoy watching Sacto and Dallas play, since they're two of the only teams that still maintain much of an 80's style offense, and some great passing skills.  I agree that the slide started most notably with Detroit's "Bad Boys" of the late 80's/early 90's, though I certainly detected a hint of it with the mid/late 80's Celtics too.  They banged, pushed, pulled, cheap-shotted, etc. quite a lot as well, but were much more polished offensively though, so their antics weren't quite as noticeable or memorable.  (sorry Bug)   :-*

Face it, the NBA just ain't what it used to be, nor will it ever be again...   :-\

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What bugs me worse is the smug bastards that cheer for the Lakers who basically say "Yep, that's the way it is, we rule everyone else deal with it"

Well, it's the truth.  With the most talented player in the NBA, the most dominant player in the NBA, and two HOF role players (who really don't do jack $h!t most of the time, but it sounds good), we are/should be considered the best.  If I wasn't a Laker fan, I'd still say the same thing.  Basically, nobody beats the Lakers, except the Lakers.

End novel.

Sincerely,
Smug bastard
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: Morgbug on May 26, 2004, 09:26 PM

And I'll agree with the sentiment about how the style of play in the NBA has detrimentally changed over the years, which is why I said I'd watch the 80's Showtime Lakers any day of the week over our current team.  Hell, to be honest, I sometimes enjoy watching Sacto and Dallas play, since they're two of the only teams that still maintain much of an 80's style offense, and some great passing skills.  I agree that the slide started most notably with Detroit's "Bad Boys" of the late 80's/early 90's, though I certainly detected a hint of it with the mid/late 80's Celtics too.  They banged, pushed, pulled, cheap-shotted, etc. quite a lot as well, but were much more polished offensively though, so their antics weren't quite as noticeable or memorable.  (sorry Bug)   :-*



No argument Matt.  The reason the Lakers won more in the 80's was because they were more talented.  Pretty simple.  It really became a matter more of whether Bird could single handedly pull off a miracle or not.  That's not to say that McHale, Johnson, Ainge and the Chief weren't a good supporting cast, they were.  They just weren't as talented.  

As far as the physicality goes, I agree too.  But I think the phrase from the sublime to the ridiculous is well applied here.  In the 80's, the Chief would back in, bouncing and shoving with his ass until he felt the release of pressure and he had the room for his unstoppable turnaround J.  But that was an offensive foul.  Hell, I remember refs telling players to take their hands off the body on D :o  I was watching the game the other night when one of the Wolves, much smaller than Shaq basically had himself at a 45 degree angle with his hand out holding Shaq.  Is that a foul?  Sure it is, but hell, he's trying to hold a 300+lb monster back from shoving him into the 3rd row of seats without a foul being called.  That's not basketball, that's an offensive lineman.  Wrong sport, stoopid waste.  Call it all.  

Don't get me started on travelling.  Gawrsh, it was amazing when Julius Erving would take off and dunk from the foul line.   Now every schmo can do it.  Why?  Well, Erving got maybe a 1/2 step of generosity from the refs, but he was good enough at it that the call would look questionable if you nailed him on travelling; it's all in precisely when you pick up your dribble.  These jokers today get 3 steps plus the 1/2.  Hell, I could dunk in high school with four steps and I'm short AND white.  

Highlights are about all I can bear.  Entertainment over substance.  Blech.
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: JediMAC on May 26, 2004, 09:43 PM
...the Chief would back in, bouncing and shoving with his ass until he felt the release of pressure...

Sounds like an enema ad.   :P

I was watching the game the other night when one of the Wolves, much smaller than Shaq basically had himself at a 45 degree angle with his hand out holding Shaq.  Is that a foul?  Sure it is, but hell, he's trying to hold a 300+lb monster back from shoving him into the 3rd row of seats without a foul being called.  That's not basketball, that's an offensive lineman.  Wrong sport, stoopid waste.  Call it all.

Yeah.  Former Laker Mark "Mad Dog" Madsen.  That's some hilarious stuff to watch when he D's up against Shaq, and I've been pointing out each time we played the Pups all year that his nearly parallel to the floor angle of defense MUST be a foul.  But like I mentioned above, that kind of stuff (though not to this interesting degree, pun intended) happens to Shaq on nearly every play, otherwise, how the hell can anyone possibly guard him when they're so much smaller than him.  Therefore, I don't sweat it too much.  He's dominant and unstoppable when he feels like it.  He gets hammered unrelentlessly, and shoves his fair share of defenders outta the way...  Seems like a fair trade-off to me.

Traveling?  Palming the ball?  Carrying over?  What the hell's that stuff?  I just consider it all to be a part of the developing "artistry" of the current generation of players, point guards, and various ballhandlers.  I don't mind it too much, as long as everyone gets to do it.  It does make for some sweet looking plays and impressive ball handling displays.   8)
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: Scott on May 26, 2004, 11:11 PM
a. A player shall not hold, push, charge into, impede the progress of an oppo-nent by extending a hand, forearm, leg or knee or by bending the body into a posi-tion that is not normal. Contact that results in the re-routing of an opponent is a foul which must be called immediately.
b. Contact initiated by the defensive player guarding a player with the ball is not legal. This contact includes, but is not limited to, forearm, hands, or body check.
EXCEPTIONS:
(1) A defender may apply contact with a forearm to an offensive player with the ball who has his back to the basket below the free throw line extend-ed outside the Lower Defensive Box.
(2) A defender may apply contact with a forearm and/or one hand with a bent elbow to an offensive player in a post-up position with the ball in the Lower Defensive Box.
(3) A defender may apply contact with a forearm to an offensive player with the ball at any time in the Lower Defensive Box. The forearm in the above exceptions is solely for the purpose of main-taining a defensive position.

(4) A defender may position his leg between the legs of an offensive player in a post-up position in the Lower Defensive Box for the purpose of main-taining defensive position. If his foot leaves the floor in an attempt to dis-lodge his opponent, it is a foul immediately.
(5) Incidental contact with the hand against an offensive player shall be ignored if it does not affect the player's speed, quickness, balance and/or rhythm.
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: Scott on May 26, 2004, 11:14 PM
Section II--By Dribbler
a. A dribbler shall not (1) charge into an opponent who has established a legal guarding position, or (2) attempt to dribble between two opponents, or (3) attempt to dribble between an opponent and a boundary, where sufficient space is not avail-able for illegal contact to be avoided.
b. If a defender is able to establish a legal position in the straight line path of the dribbler, the dribbler must avoid contact by changing direction or ending his dribble.
c. The dribbler must be in control of his body at all times. If illegal contact occurs, the responsibility is on the dribbler.
PENALTY: The offender is assessed an offensive foul. There is no team foul. The ball is awarded to the offended team on the sideline nearest the spot where play was interrupted but no nearer to the baseline than the free throw line extended.
EXCEPTION: Rule 3--Section I--a.
d. If a dribbler has sufficient space to have his head and shoulders in advance of his defender, the responsibility for illegal contact is on the defender.
e. If a dribbler has established a straight line path, a defender may not crowd him out of that path.
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: Scott on May 26, 2004, 11:14 PM
And to also add...sure there's contact both ways but they call 13-19 fouls per game against the Wolves and 2-4 against Shaq ::)
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: Scott on May 26, 2004, 11:30 PM
Oh...and the Magic win the lottery
2004 LOTTERY RESULTS
1. Orlando
2. L.A. Clippers
3. Chicago
4. Charlotte
5. Washington
6. Atlanta
7. Phoenix
8. Toronto
9. Philadelphia
10. Cleveland
11. Golden State
12. Seattle
13. Portland
14. Utah
 

Exhibit A that the NBA does some shady things....the Lottery, its not live, and it used to be rigged...come on Ewing going to the Knicks way back when.  Get rid of it and award the team with the worst record the #1 pick Which would have given the Wolves Shaq or the next year when the Magic had one freaking ping pong ball and got the #1 pick...or when the Bulls magically got the #1 pick 2 years after Jordan retired
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: Jeff on May 27, 2004, 12:17 AM
Jeff decrypts the NBA's secret intent behind this years draft...

1. Orlando - get T-Mac some help.  That way we can showcase him more on TNT and then when he's popular/super-star, move him to LA to replace aging vets.

2. L.A. Clippers - back-up plan.  Make the Clippers good in case LAkers can't hold on to "alleged rapist, #8" and implode.

3. Chicago - Knicks/Bulls rivalry must be restored for ratings sake, but Chi-town is still recovering from Jordan.  Need help since the dumb-ass crashed his bike.


I love the NBA draft conspiracy talk... so many times it "lucks out".  Like for instance LeBron, an OH native going to.. The Cleveland Cavs!

Too many times the draft has worked out all too neatly...

Jeff

Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: JediMAC on May 27, 2004, 04:13 AM
Just noticed this little tidbit in Virex's DVD release thread:

June:

NBA Dynasty Series: Chicago Bulls: The 1990's (four-discs) (http://www.deepdiscountdvd.com/dvd.cfm?itemid=WBD034325) (1st)

Anyone know anything about this DVD series?  Is this the first one to come out?  Know of any future ones?  I'd LOVE to get my grubby mitts on a Lakers Showtime DVD set, which I'd have to assume would be the second in this series.  That'd be a dream come true to get some great 80's footage of my boys, to keep archived in the DVD collection for years to come.  I've been hoping for something like this for a long time...

On a related note, has anyone picked up the "Ultimate Jordan" DVD that came out late last year?  I meant to snag one, but waited too long and they seemed to all completely disappear from my local Targets and Walmarts...

As for the draft...  Blah.  No big name players out there anyway.  Gets worse and worse every year, as the college ranks are depleted more and more by early NBA entries for it's rising young players.  Not to mention the high school kids.  Just very few established studs in the lottery much anymore.

Yawn.

Nice win by Detroit tonight too!   8)
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: JediMAC on May 27, 2004, 04:34 AM
Anyone know anything about this DVD series?  Is this the first one to come out?  Know of any future ones?  I'd LOVE to get my grubby mitts on a Lakers Showtime DVD set, which I'd have to assume would be the second in this series...

Nevermind that question.  Just found the answer (http://www.deepdiscountdvd.com/dvd.cfm?itemID=WBD034324) myself.   8)  Being released the same day as the Bulls set - next Tuesday.  Sweet!!

(http://www.deepdiscountdvd.com/images/covers/coverd/00_09/225607.JPG) (http://www.playusa.com/covers/169001m.jpg)

DVD Descriptions:
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Learn everything you ever wanted to know about the NBA's most successful franchise, the Los Angeles Lakers, in this comprehensive documentary. From the 1950s, through the reign of Magic Johnson and Kareem Abdul-Jabbar in the 1980s, up to the superstar pairing of Shaquille O'Neal and Kobe Bryant in the late 1990s and early 2000s, this release gives fans and sports aficionados enough material to chew on for years to come.

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Over the past 50 years the Lakers have won an unprecedented 14 Championships, making them the best NBA franchise ever. This 5-disc special edition collector's set features the complete Lakers history including year-end compilation programs highlighting the Championship seasons from the 1950s through 2002. Plus for the first time ever on DVD, the team's most memorable Finals games including their first Championship win in Los Angeles, Magic's "baby hook" game in 1987, and their back-to-back title games.

1,338 minutes of Laker goodness on this 5 DVD set.  I'm in heaven now...   :)
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: JediMAC on May 27, 2004, 04:48 AM
Closer look at the cover, which I'm sure will make Scott very happy...

(http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B0001Z37J0.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg)

Great.  An "incomplete" lineup of players there.  That's a rather glaring ommission by the dumbass cover designer.   >:(  Mikan?  C'mon...   ::)  This should be an L.A. Lakers ONLY DVD set (hell, Showtime Lakers only).  Give the poor Minnesota fellas their own collection of those old-timers, so they can at least have something to enjoy...
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: Matt on May 27, 2004, 05:01 AM
On a related note, has anyone picked up the "Ultimate Jordan" DVD that came out late last year?  I meant to snag one, but waited too long and they seemed to all completely disappear from my local Targets and Walmarts...

I bought it when it was originally released back on September 25, 2001.  

Evidently, it went out of print for a while, and then was re-released last fall.  Haven't noticed it in stores lately, but that's probably because I've already got it.

It's available at Amazon right now for $14.99 plus shipping.

Link (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B0000C8AO0/qid=1085648286/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/102-5290898-8948905?v=glance&s=dvd)

Fantastic set--easily worth the fifteen bucks.  This and the new Bulls set (plus the pretty cool Michael Jordan to the Max disc) should just about cover all my Jordan/Bulls needs on DVD. . .
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: JediMAC on May 27, 2004, 05:11 AM
Funny, but I was just looking at that same Amazon page.  I'll probably pick it up there with some other stuff.  Didn't realize it was released before, but that's probably 'cause I didn't get into DVD buying until about a year and a half ago.  Definitely an awesome DVD.  I love that it compiles all his old videos into one comprehensive set here.   8)
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: Brian on May 27, 2004, 09:10 AM
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On a related note, has anyone picked up the "Ultimate Jordan" DVD that came out late last year?  I meant to snag one, but waited too long and they seemed to all completely disappear from my local Targets and Walmarts...

I also picked this up back when it came out originally, and agree totally with Virex, it is well worth picking up....especially if you are a Jordan fan.  I always wanted to have something to watch, seeing Mike in his "glory days" again, plus its nice checking out the dunk highlights too.  I think sometimes people forget they way he flew in his younger days.  That Bulls disc set looks great too, I might have to pick that up.  I followed the Bulls so closely from 88 through all their championships, and that was some fun basketball to watch.

On a side note....it is really great that we can discuss players, teams, and b-ball in general here without it becoming an all out war.  It might sound cheezy, but its just nice how we can all admit whether or not our favorite player(s) and/or teams might have gotten away with something...or not...and not have to get all mad about it.  Just another reason why JD is so great, just a real nice community you guys run here.  Anyways...on the subject of Shaq, I noticed Sportscenter had a little segment this morning asking that if Shaq shot freethrows better (I think someone mentioned in the 70-80% range) if he would be considered the best player ever.  Although I will agree he is obviously the most dominant in the game now, and one of the best centers of all time, I think saying he is the "best player ever" is a slap in the face to many who have come and gone and played the game 100% all the time...in all aspects....Jordan, Bird, Magic are three of the more recent ones that come to mind, along with others from the past...Oscar Robertson, Wilt, Bill Russell, Dr. J, etc.  Any thoughts on this?
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: Brian on May 27, 2004, 09:22 AM
Oh...and congrats to the Pistons on a win last night, another hard fought game.  Although sometimes quite ugly b-ball, Pistons-Pacers seems to be a pretty good match up.  Also, congrats to the Magic on winning the lottery.  Everyone thinking they'll take Okafor?  It doesn't seem like the best draft this year, talent wise, but you never know how these players will turn out down the road.
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: Scott on May 27, 2004, 03:54 PM
Lakers Armor Is Tarnished (http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=wiley/040527)

Good article, points out a bunch of good stuff, specifcally that a healthy Wolves Team and the Pistons could be the Lakers
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: FX-7 on May 27, 2004, 04:22 PM
Go NUGGETS!  Oh wait, wake me when this one is over and the Lakers ride off into the sunset again ::)
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: JediMAC on May 27, 2004, 06:31 PM
On a side note....it is really great that we can discuss players, teams, and b-ball in general here without it becoming an all out war.

Yeah, as long as that Minnesota assturd stops calling my boy a rapist!   >:(   ;)

As for Shaq, no way I nominate him in the best player category, even with a much more respectable free throw shooting percentage.  Most dominant, maybe (either him or Wilt), but not best all around.  Best all around goes to a guy who can shoot, dribble, defend, pass, etc.  He's got to have the complete game, and not just throw down a lot of dunks due to his fortunate size.

Shaq could move himself higher up in the category if he kept in shape, and played 110% all the time, since that would likely lead to almost double his statistics for blocks and rebounds.  If he did that, then I'd consider moving him up the ladder a little.  But when a monster like him can only pull down 10 or 11 boards a game, and make a couple blocks a game, that's some serious underachieving there.

I'll admit his short game (non-dunks) around the basket has become much better over the years.  He's developed some nice touch inside with his short jump hooks and bank shots, to compliment the thunderous dunks.  His passing has also gotten a lot better as well.  But if a professional basketball player can't make a shot outside of 8 feet, he is not under consideration for "best ever" in my book.

Some of those other guys Brian mentioned definitely are though: Jordan, Magic, Bird, Oscar Robertson, Bill Russell, and of course... Kobe.   ;)

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Good article, points out a bunch of good stuff, specifcally that a healthy Wolves Team and the Pistons could be the Lakers

Well, if Ralph Wiley says it, then it must be true...   ::)

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if either the Minnesota Timberwolves or the Detroit Pistons were at their full-strength rosters, and sound of mind as well as body, each of them, it can be argued, could win the NBA title;

I would say the same about the Lakers.  If they were collectively of sound mind (which they rarely are), and body (which they weren't for about 2/3rds of this season), then I think they'd be three times as good as they are now.  I also contend that if Cassell and Hudson were both 100% healthy and playing well, thus elevating Minnesota's game, the Lakers would just counter and do the same.  The Lakers are never playing at, or even close to, 100%, so they always have more left in the tank if need be.  They play just enough to (usually) get the job done.  So if your guys were healthy and Minnesota was playing better, our guys would just "flip the switch" up another level and adjust their play accordingly.  Simple as that.   :-*

I do agree with the writer that Malone and Payton are way past their prime, and not doing all that much for our team (especially Payton).  But that doesn't make much of a difference to me really.  Like with Jordan and Pippen on both of the 90's Bulls' 3-peat teams, as long as we've got Kobe and Shaq, the rest of the pieces are interchangeable and expendable and we should continue to win regardless...
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: Morgbug on May 27, 2004, 11:00 PM
Anyways...on the subject of Shaq, I noticed Sportscenter had a little segment this morning asking that if Shaq shot freethrows better (I think someone mentioned in the 70-80% range) if he would be considered the best player ever.  Although I will agree he is obviously the most dominant in the game now, and one of the best centers of all time, I think saying he is the "best player ever" is a slap in the face to many who have come and gone and played the game 100% all the time...in all aspects....Jordan, Bird, Magic are three of the more recent ones that come to mind, along with others from the past...Oscar Robertson, Wilt, Bill Russell, Dr. J, etc.  Any thoughts on this?

I'm with sweater boy here.  

Shaq is dominant, but that's simply a reflection of the game.  As we've commented, he gets away with bloody murder.  Yes, he is hacked to death, but what else do you do when a 300 lb behemoth shoves his ass into your chest?  It's an offensive foul in the first place.  That horse might have been beaten to death though.  

Shaq doesn't play very good defense though, something I would say the other mentioned players do.  I also don't think he runs the court very well.  Does he pass well?  Not exceptionally, certainly not in the league of Magic or Bird.  Given his size, where does his scoring average stack up alltime?  Hall of fame, sure, but not top 10 I'd guess.  

His free throw shooting cost him and allowed Jordan two titles in my estimation.  To his defense he's probably too busy doing videos and commercials and partying to work excessively hard on that anyway.  As before, the game is only marginally about basketball and largely about entertainment, so why bother?  Certainly it would have given him a few more scoring titles and I'd guess the biggest cost would have been Jordan's mystique.  Not knocking MJ at all, but he sure wouldn't have had the same mystique if the Bulls had failed to win a few of those titles.
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: Scott on May 28, 2004, 12:04 AM
Just waiting for the smug bastards to come in and brag about how valiant Mr Rapist Model Citizen was today for attending his Rape Trial and playing out of his mind tonight

Best Moment: Cassell coming off the bench and nailing a 3
Worst Moment: Realizing that they would have swept the Lakers with a healthy 2nd team All-NBA Point Guard :'(
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: JediMAC on May 28, 2004, 04:24 AM
Worst Moment: Realizing that they would have swept the Lakers with a healthy 2nd team All-NBA Point Guard :'(

 ;D   :D   :P   ;D   :D   :P   :-*

That's some funny stuff there.  On the subject of Shaq, Kevin McHale was being interviewed on the top Sports radio show out here today, and he was absolutely beeming about how amazing Shaq is, despite the fact that he gets his ass fouled big time on nearly every single play.  Yeah - YOUR general manager said that!  What, is he trying to woo Shaq to MN, or sumthin'?   ???  Pretty bizarre...

As for his passing, I didn't really mean in the grand scheme of the NBA Brent, just relative to the other big men in the league.  I think he's led NBA centers in assists the last several years, and his overall court vision and ability to pass out of the double team and find the open guy has really gotten a lot better over the past couple years.  So I give him credit for that.  I also give him credit for solely focusing on Basketball nowadays too.  He's not doing all those videos, rap albums, movies, partying, and other miscellaneous B.S. distractions anymore.  Not for the last 5 years or so now, so that can't be held against him anymore either.  When he stopped all that crap, we started winning championships.

I also caught a stat tonight which was pretty pathetic - Shaq has never led the league in rebounding in any of his 11 years.  I already knew that, but still pretty mind boggling considering his size.  Pretty sure he's never led the league in blocked shots either.  But at least he's kicking it up a notch for the Playoffs this year.

As for the kid (and his biggest fan), he really only played one good quarter tonight.  Didn't do much in the first half, or even the fourth quarter, but his mind-blowing third quarter run is essentially what iced the game.  As for the whole court to court thing, ehh - it doesn't really impress me all that much.  The media gets a big kick out of it, but the bottom line is he's just sitting in a courthouse all day, then takes a few limos and a private jet, and he's pretty much back in time for the game, and ready to go.  I do think it's somewhat impressive that he can maintain his focus so well, and such a high level of play on those particular days, but all in all, it's not as amazing as the media's making it out to be.  Glad to see he's not letting that B.S. court stuff get to him though.  He's great at tuning it all out.

I don't know exactly why it is, but this series has just seemed rather boring to me so far.  I suppose that would be different if we were down 3-1, but it just doesn't seem like the Playoffs to me.  It's not getting me totally pumped, or having me on the edge of my seat like the Spurs series did, which is kind of a bummer.  I think Sacto would've had me pretty pumped up due to our rivalry over the past several years, but the Wolves just don't do much to get my blood boiling.  Not sure if the Pistons will either.  Oh well.   :-\

I'll see assturd and the rest of you on Saturday...   ;)
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: Scott on May 28, 2004, 08:41 AM
If you can honestly sit there and say Cassell would have no impact on this series then you really are a smug bastard ::)
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: Jeff on May 28, 2004, 09:40 AM
 :'(

I'm beginning to hate SoCal.

First, the stupid Angels in 2002... nice job defending your title by the way.
Then, the stupid Ducks in 2003... nice job defending your conf championship by the way.

Now, the stupid LAkers.

At least there's no NFL team in the LA/Anaheim area to beat the Vikings next year as they head to the Super Bowl, baby!

 :'(

Jeff
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: Scott on May 28, 2004, 09:44 AM
Well the Gophers did beat UCLA in '97 to go to the Final Four...otherwise :-X

Lest us not forget Red McCombs dangling the threat of relocating the Vikings to LA every couple of months...and the fact that the Lakers were ours to begin with.  My dad was telling me last week he was a huge Lakers fan and still will root for them :-X >:( stoopid dad ::)
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: JediMAC on May 28, 2004, 11:55 AM
If you can honestly sit there and say Cassell would have no impact on this series then you really are a smug bastard  ::)

Where the hell did I say that?  Of course he would.  I also said as he raised the level of Minnesota's play, the Lakers would just "flip the switch" and raise the level of their play up accordingly.  I think if Cassell and Hudson were healthy, it would make for a much better, more exciting, higher scoring, and competitive series.  But the Lakers would still win.  In 6 games, tops.   ;)

If you can honestly sit there and suggest that if Cassell were healthy that you'd sweep us, then you really are a smug bastard, and are likely addicted to a high profile drug of some sort...   ::)   So there.   :-*

Jeff, most SoCal'ers still root for one or both of our former NFL teams - The Rams and Raiders (like I do).  So feel free to toss the Rams title and the Raiders Conf. Championships in there too (you be quiet Mikey!).  Don't forget our WNBA Sparks won it all back to back as well...   :D

Scott, if I ever make it out to MN, maybe you could give me your pop's phone # so I could give him a buzz and maybe go grab a beer with him.  Sounds like a cool dude.   8)
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: Scott on May 28, 2004, 12:31 PM
So the Lakers right now are coasting? ::)  No way, they are beatable and I sure hope if the Wolves don't do it the Pistons do as does 99% of America
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: Scott on May 28, 2004, 12:40 PM
Marc Stein agrees with me (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/playoffs2004/columns/story?columnist=stein_marc&id=1811156)...and kudos to the healthy Wolves, they aren't making excuses for playing without the injured.  A healthy Hudson probably would have meant a healthy Cassell too since there would have been someone to give Cassell a break and provide some O off the bench...

They wouldn't have swept but I really think that it would be at least 2-2 and maybe even 3-1 Wolves right now :'(  That's what sucks about it
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: Scott on May 28, 2004, 04:11 PM
They should rename the trophy The Kobe (http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/news/story?id=1811551)
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: JediMAC on May 28, 2004, 04:14 PM
Marc Stein agrees with me (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/playoffs2004/columns/story?columnist=stein_marc&id=1811156)...

What is this, the W & P thread, where you have to quote sources to back up your opinion, especially when it's somewhat off?  Want me to start putting up ALL the links of ALL the people and articles that agree with ME?!  Yeah, I didn't think so.   ;D

Like I said, with your two point guards healthy, I think you would've definitely played us tougher, and maybe even won a second game, but definitely not the series.  Feel free to keep trying to convince me otherwise though.  You're about 1% of the way there so far...   :-*
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: Scott on May 28, 2004, 04:15 PM
Shut up...or I'll have Chris Berry ban you, he always has liked me more than you...bitch :-* ;D
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: JediMAC on May 28, 2004, 04:29 PM
Brian?  Where'd you go bud?  We need your voice of reason back in this thread, to shut up this Minnesota assturd who keeps blabbering ridiculous nonsense, and always wants to have the final say...   ::)

Please come back and remind us how well we all play together here...  And how the Lakers really ARE the best team on the planet, especially when they feel like playing hard.   ;)

- M

P.S.  Spree sucks.
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: Morgbug on May 28, 2004, 09:27 PM
And how the Lakers really ARE the best team on the planet, especially when they feel like playing hard.   ;)


IF they feel like playing hard.  

Hey, it's pretty cool what money can buy you, the best team on the planet, so long as your petulant giant feels like playing, your amazingly talented 12 year old (mentally) is up for it.  And the geezers take their geritol.  

I do agree on one thing though, as good as Spree is, I hate him.  Oughta be in prison.  
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: Scott on May 28, 2004, 10:25 PM
Actually, thanks to KG and Spree's contracts the Wolves have a much higher payroll than the Lakers.  Payton and Malone are basically playing for peanuts to try and win a ring
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: Morgbug on May 28, 2004, 11:05 PM
Oops.  Oh well, at least those guys tend to show up on a regular basis.  I guess 5-10 million a year isn't enough for some people to set aside their egos.   :P
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: JediMAC on May 29, 2004, 01:00 AM
Hey, it's pretty cool what money can buy you, the best team on the planet...

Now wait a second there old man...  The Lakers are a far cry from the Yankees.  This team is hardly anything close to "what money can buy you".  Like Scott already pointed out, Payton is playing for the mid-level exception (or something like that), which is about $3 mill.  FAR below what he'd make from any other team, and probably even below the league average.  Then take Malone, he's playing for like 1.5 million, which is practically the league minimum.  We didn't go out and "buy" those guys.  Both of those guys came to us and begged to play for us for practically free.

As for the other two big guys, Kobe we picked up right out of high school - in a trade with Charlotte for Vlade Divac of all people.  So we didn't "buy" him either.  Yeah, he blossomed and Jerry Buss (Laker's owner) threw the necessary money at him in order to keep him as a Laker when his initial contract expired.  Any owner does the same thing with his superstar player(s) if/when he can.

Shaq's the only player we went out and "bought" off the free agent market YEARS ago.  Again, we re-upped his contract when it originally expired, like anyone would.  In fact, with the exception of him, we've not really picked up anyone major on the free agent market (for retail value) since well before our Championship run over 5 years ago.  Even Fisher's "home grown".  Been with us since his rookie year.

Sorry, but comparing what Jerry Buss does with the Lakers, and what George Steinbrenner does with the Yankees, is totally unfair and incorrect.  Two VERY different things.  Buss just takes care of his own, and with the winning we've experienced, aging superstars are approaching us in an effort to ride Kobe and Shaq's coattails to their first ever ring.

I suppose with Phil Jackson, we kinda "bought" him, but he also very much wanted to come to us as well.  Not that he's even a very good coach, but that's an entirely seperate discussion.

Bummer to see the Pistons go down tonight.  2-2 there.  Nervous time for Detroit with home court back in the Pacers hands...   :-\
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: Scott on May 29, 2004, 09:17 AM
In some ways I agree with what shaq said, he is basically the GM.  I doubt  Kupchak was out there actively pursuing either Payton or Malone...has he made any trades?

It will be interesting to see where Kobe goes...I wouldn't mind seeing the Clippers get him.  Makes 2 LA teams I can hate with a passion
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: Scott on May 29, 2004, 11:31 PM
So much for turning that switch on ::)

I stand by my statement, if Cassell was healthy the Wolves would have disposed of them already.  The Lakers are the biggest bunch of whiny premadonnas in history.  How dare anyone try and play with us...and if we get behind, we'll throw in the towel because we have that extra gear nobody else has

Great game by the Wolves...I just hope that same effort shows up on Monday (and Ref Danny Crawford doesn't)
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: Jeff on May 30, 2004, 01:04 AM
Just got home from da bar where me and a few pals watched da Wolves beat da "Alleged Rapist, at best Adulterer" and the rest of his sorry squad of washed up losers.  :)

The LAkers better get to flipping that "switch" if they want to dispose of KG and his boyz.

Jeff
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: Morgbug on May 30, 2004, 01:05 AM
Oops.  Oh well, at least those guys tend to show up on a regular basis.  I guess 5-10 million a year isn't enough for some people to set aside their egos.   :P

Just in case you missed this admission of my error, sweater boy.  Thanks for the lecture though.  Maybe it is a good thing you're not planning on being a parent.  You'd be very irritating. :-* ;D

I'd love to share your optimism Scott, but I just don't see the league Lakers letting it happen. :-\
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: JediMAC on May 30, 2004, 01:18 AM
Maybe it is a good thing you're not planning on being a parent.  You'd be very irritating. :-* ;D

 >:(

I think it took me so long to type it up, and revise, my "lecture", and since I probably wandered off several times while leaving my in progress reply up on the screen (as I often do), that I hadn't seen your reply yete.  Either way, if I had kids, they'd be smart enough to know what "spending money" actually looked like, so I wouldn't have to scold and lecture them!  They'd certainly know better than to root for a bunch of pansy-assed, leprachaun lovin' losers...   :-*

That said, uh...  I think we lost tonight, yeah?  I was drinking too much to really realize what was happening, but I'm pretty sure that's the case.  Ended our streak of 11 straight wins in "close-out" games.  Oh well...  We'll get 'em on Memorial Day back here in L.A.  Guess the boys ain't feeling too threatened or inspired yet, to turn it on.   ::)
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: Morgbug on May 30, 2004, 01:29 AM
Yeah, you must have walked away quite a few times.  You took very nearly 2 hours to type up that response.   :-*

Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: Scott on May 30, 2004, 09:47 AM
Hopefully with Cassell sitting out, he'll be rested enough to contribute for at least a half tomorrow.  That might be all they need to get out to a big lead and start the Lakers thinking, well we'll flip that switch next game.  The "Alleged Rapist, at best Adulterer" looked pissed all night he wasnt' getting any of the calls either...wah ::)
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: JediKnight87 on May 30, 2004, 02:07 PM
Lakers are gonna win at home. They always do.
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: Scott on May 31, 2004, 10:42 PM
That was one of the weirdest 1st halves I have ever seen.  Refs seemed to have stripped O'Neal and Bryant of their "godlike do no wrong" status and actually called fouls on them.  Crowd was going nuts and the Wolves brought a 13 point lead down to 2.  I can't believe it still, I'm so used to it going the other way, why do it now on the Lakers home court?

PS Note to Phil Jackson, sit your stars when they have 3 fouls in the 1st Half...idiot
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: Morgbug on June 1, 2004, 12:11 AM
I was surprised by the reffing in the first half as well.  Quite a treat.  All for nought though.  Lakers took it, in a manner of speaking.  To this untrained eye, it looked more like the Wolves gave it to them by throwing the ball away.  Not cool.   :(
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: Scott on June 1, 2004, 12:44 AM
Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaawooooooooooooo

Did you see Cassell hit that last shot!  That's what the best PG in the game this year is all about.  On to the Finals where the Wolves will destroy the Pistons.  Have fun in Prison Kobe, don't drop the soap around Michael Jackson or Scott Peterson.  Shaq, work on those free throws all summer, going 10-30 from the line is what cost the Lakers the series

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaawooooooooooooooo

(PS Go Pistons) :'(
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: Scott on June 1, 2004, 10:08 AM
BTW Minnesota Timberwolve...2005 NBA Champions.  Save this post for future use.  Healthy Cassell and hell even a healthy Hudson and it might be...2004 NBA Champions.   :'(

I was close to ripping on Kareem Rush before the series, glad I didn't the dude looked lost in the games I saw him play this season, he was amazing last night...better than most of the rest of the bench.  I think they did well guarding Shaq and Raper Kobe and the difference was Rush.  
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: Brian on June 1, 2004, 10:44 AM
Little late to the thread here, sorry...busy moving this weekend.  Well, the series is all wrapped up now, and I didn't like Minny's chances in LA anyways.  That was a game they could (and probably would) have won, if Rush hadn't shot out of his mind last night.  I can stomach it a little better, since Rush is about the only player on the Lakers that I like at all really.  Kobe I think has been pretty respectful lately (in the playoffs), so he hasn't been bothering me quite as much lately either.  Shaq...well, he still rams, so that's still a problem.  Anyways, I'll give a congrats to the Lakers fans, since we're all friends here :).  I do think a Detroit - LA Finals matchup could be interesting though.  We'll see if the 'Stons can finish off the Pacers tonight now.

You know, last night was another example (and Lakers fans like Matt have even said this) that Phil Jackson is a terribly over-rated coach.  Sure, we hear all the time how he "massages egos", which is true and I give him credit for that...but leaving Shaq in to get his fourth foul (and Kobe with 3) was yet another example of poor coaching I think.  Granted, when its all said and done, he will probably have the most coaching titles...but he's done a great job putting himself in the right places for that...a credit to him I guess.  I also have a problem with Payton and Malone "tagging along" for their ring.  I mean sure, everyone gives them so much credit for "playing for peanuts", which is still much more money than we have, even though they have both had HUGE contracts throughout their playing careers.  I guess its just kind of sad that "we couldn't beat Mike and the Bulls, so we'll join the best team now so we can win".  Like Matt said, they really haven't added much to this team...and I think too much will be made of their "contributions" if/when they win the title this year.  I think LA was capable of doing it anyways, with maybe adding one key free agent last year.  Fisher outplayed Payton at the point anyways, Malone was often in foul trouble and getting in fights (or trying too...come on, this guy is 40 and he isn't more mature than that?).

Well, with the Lakers moving on (and a favorite for their fourth title), what does everyone think will happen to the team in the offseason?  With his 10th title, it is possible that Phil Jackson will ride into the sunset.  Kobe has his legal troubles, although I think he will eventually get out of this (at least not to jail), but we'll see.  Gary seemed to be frustrated with this team/season, and will have his ring so it is possible he could leave.  Karl Malone should give consideration to retirement if he gets his ring as well.  Anyways, any thoughts to what will happen with this team?  I kind of would like to see Kobe go elsewhere, and see how Shaq and Kobe do when seperated from each other, having their "own" teams.
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: Jeff on June 1, 2004, 11:40 AM
 :'(

Congrats to the LAkers for beating us.  

Enjoy your last shot at the title before your team implodes as "Turd #8" ends up with the Clippers and Malone and The Glove retire, leaving Shaq all alone.

Jeff

ps.
Go Pistons!
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: JediMAC on June 1, 2004, 01:55 PM
So....

Wolves win Colman changes his user name to I Love KG for the rest of the Playoffs

Lakers win I change my user name to I Love Kobe Bryant

** cough **
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: Scott on June 1, 2004, 02:00 PM
So....

Wolves win Colman changes his user name to I Love KG for the rest of the Playoffs

Lakers win I change my user name to I Love Kobe Bryant

** cough **
I was drunk when I made that bet
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: JediMAC on June 1, 2004, 02:06 PM
 8)

So....

...changes his user name to ...for the rest of the Playoffs...

 ;)
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: Morgbug on June 1, 2004, 02:21 PM
Is that love consensual, or otherwise :o

<----------running away now :-*
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: Scott on June 1, 2004, 03:40 PM
Someone make a 50x50 of this for me please?

Brad...Dale...anyone?

(http://www.cnnsi.com/basketball/news/2003/07/11/kobe_mugshot_ap/t1_kobe_ap.jpg)
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: Jeff on June 1, 2004, 04:03 PM
Plain:
(http://www.tradefederation.net/cldata/User_files/40bce0c03cde24a8.jpg)

-OR-

Jail-Bird:
(http://www.tradefederation.net/cldata/User_files/40bce09a3cd424a8.jpg)

Your pick...

Jeff
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: Scott on June 1, 2004, 04:05 PM
I'll take Jailbird, thanks Jeff :-*
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: JediMAC on June 1, 2004, 04:10 PM
That wasn't part of the deal!   >:(
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: Morgbug on June 1, 2004, 04:15 PM



(http://www.tradefederation.net/cldata/User_files/40bce09a3cd424a8.jpg)


(http://www.telusplanet.net/public/djustus/rofl.gif)
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: Scott on June 1, 2004, 04:18 PM
That wasn't part of the deal!   >:(
I am altering the deal. Pray I don't alter it any further.
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: JediMAC on June 1, 2004, 04:55 PM
Ah...  So you guys wanna play it like 'dat, huh?!  OK...   :-*

Better re-familiarize yourself with this picture...

(http://www.nba.com/media/lakers/kobe_trophy_020712.jpg)
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: Scott on June 1, 2004, 04:57 PM
Yeah and you had better wait until they win it all before making such a bold statement, playing without their second best player almost beat them, Detroit is more than up for the challenge

Indy is toast since they are gimpier than the Wolves were
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: Scott on June 2, 2004, 11:17 AM
So the Pistons won last night, their D is supposedly the best in the league.  I don't see them winning without a true Center though.  They can shut down Kobe but not Shaq, the Lakers D is almost as good and they have virtually no offense outside of Rip, not gonna be pretty.  Lakers in 5 :'(
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: JediMAC on June 2, 2004, 02:23 PM
Glad to see Detroit pull that one out, in one of the most boring playoff series of all time.  Pathetic that these games point totals are HALF of what they were back in the 80's...   :-\

...Detroit is more than up for the challenge

Best make up your mind there ILKB.   ::)

I'd say 5 as well, with us losing only Game 3 in Detroit.
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: Scott on June 2, 2004, 02:29 PM
Nah, I thought about the #1 reason the Wolves lost and the Pistons are even weaker at Center than the Wolves...Shaq is going to dominate and there is no way the Pistons can be a jump shooting team.  Its going to be ugly
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: Pistol Pete on June 2, 2004, 02:34 PM
Does anyone in America besides the "fans" in LA want the lakers to win?  Its like cheering for the Cowboys or Yankees, Puke
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: Scott on June 2, 2004, 03:04 PM
KGfb:  Hate the new Signature, Love the New Avatar :-*
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: JediMAC on June 2, 2004, 04:04 PM
You #%&$@*!%&   >:(   >:(

Change it back you damned turd.  You abuse your staff powers worse than Greg(g) does...   ::)
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: Scott on June 2, 2004, 04:15 PM
Waaaah, you cry more than Jango Fettish :'(
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: Scott on June 2, 2004, 09:52 PM
Someone feel free to crop and resize this for an avatar
(http://i.cnn.net/cnn/2003/images/07/18/top.bryant.ap.jpg)
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: Scott on June 2, 2004, 09:53 PM
(http://www.bet.com/images/bigbarker/kobe_bryant_crying_bb.jpg)

This one too
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: JediMAC on June 4, 2004, 12:54 PM
Yawn.  Have we won the Championship yet...?   :-\

Surprisingly awesome ratings (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/playoffs2004/news/story?id=1815347) for both Conference Final matchups.  That's good news for the NBA, I'm sure.

Looks like the Pups might be losing Hudson (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=1815452) for good too...
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: Scott on June 4, 2004, 01:46 PM
THUd's agent was on the radio yesterday and he basically said there is a good chance he may wind up back here if the money is right.

PG is the teams #2 priority (as usual ::)...the minute the Wolves drafted Pooh Richardson the Wolves PG position has been cursed) this off season.  #1 is signing Sprewell, #3 might be seeing what they could get for Wally...preferrably a Center/true PF and letting KG play SF
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: Scott on June 4, 2004, 01:47 PM
Oh yeah the agent also talked about potential Larry Bird rights for Hudson if he comes back, the player gets bigger contracts for staying with teams longer rather than moving around...problem would be he'd have to take less money this year and hope he has a good year to cash in next year
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: JediKnight87 on June 4, 2004, 11:40 PM
I just want to see the Lakers beat the Pistons. What a matchup...  ::)
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: Scott on June 6, 2004, 08:57 AM
Note to David Stern...any reason the Conference Finals had to start 2 days after games 7...or how the Lakers got 6 days off while the Wolves would have only had 4 if they had won Game 6.  The Playoff schedule is BS!

Rematch of the Bad Boys and the final run of the Glory Day Lakers...that was some great basketball not as good as Lakers/Celtics but it was close.   Lets hope this series is decent, not expecting much though :'(


Vrrrrrrrrrrrooooooooooom
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: Scott on June 6, 2004, 11:23 PM
Anyone having thoughts of DBacks-Yankees from a few years ago?  Better flip that switch Rapist Kobe
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: Scott on June 6, 2004, 11:44 PM
Vvvvvvvvrrrrrrrrrrrrrooooooooooooooom! :-*

Lackluster Laker effort, more proof that...shutting up now
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: JediMAC on June 7, 2004, 12:49 AM
Yep.  Lakers looked uninterested, uninspired, and maybe even a little rusty.  Credit goes to the Pistons defense though, which definitely played a part in shutting down the rest of our team besides Shaq and Kobe.  One of our ugliest efforts of the year though.  They came out completely FLAT from the get-go.  Then they stopped going into Shaq in the second half, when he was the only player having any consistent success on the offensive end.

But the Pistons bust ass on defense every single possession, so they deserve major props for that.  The Lakers exerted effort about half that amount, at best.  Oh well.  Not worried, just disappointed that my boys have decided to dork around with another series, rather than really playing hard and meaning business from start to end.  We'll still win the Championship, but I think this is still one of the most underachieving teams of all time.  They should be embarrassed with their lack of interest, effort, heart, and defense on such a consistent basis.  They rely 100% on their talent, Shaq's dominance, and Kobe's clutch efforts at bringing them back from the brink.  That's obviously not going to get it done every game though.  Too many other factors missing from our repertoire.

We'll bounce back on Tuesday for sure.  We'll see which of our two teams shows up in Detroit though...   ::)
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: Brian on June 7, 2004, 09:21 AM
Good points Matt...it has to be frustrating for you Laker fans.  You know you are capable of always winning, it just depends whether or not your guys want to play.  Especially now...its the finals for Pete's sake.  Like you said though, much of the credit goes to Detroit's D.  They played very well last night.  To be honest, I was pretty surprised they ended up winning...kept waiting for LA (and Kobe in particular) to make a patented 4th quarter run and pull it out of their behind at the end.  Anyways, I hope this play continues, I'd really like to see a competitive finals throughout.  I'm usually not a big Pistons backer, but the fact that none of the commentators or anyone gives them a snowballs chance kind of gives them that underdog mystique where you at least want to see them give the Lakers some trouble.
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: Jeff on June 7, 2004, 10:56 AM
Their [LAkers] wanton laisse-faire attitude to playing is disgusting and there is no way they should win based on the BS way they play when they wanna play...

(http://graphics.jsonline.com/graphics/packer/img/rev/nov02/moss1117.jpg)

Just though I'd bump the "I Play When I Wanna Play" Mascot to celebrate the latest "We Play When We Want" effort by the LAkers.

Maybe they want to go down 3-0 in order to REALLY have a challenge?

 :-X

Jeff
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: JediMAC on June 7, 2004, 11:23 AM
Maybe they want to go down 3-0 in order to REALLY have a challenge?

Unfortunately, that wouldn't totally surprise me Jeff...   ::)   :-\
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: Scott on June 7, 2004, 11:29 AM
Earth to Colman...they aren't that good.  AS I've tried to point out a couple thousand of times.  The Spurs almost had them, the Wolves would have taken them and the Pistons have the D to shut down Kobe and the bit players, Shaq is going to need to step up and play like a beast for them to get back in this

I realize I picked the Lakers but I bought into the hype after seeing my team go down

Again, I'll bring up the D-Backs and Yankees from a few years ago when 99% of the media and country were writing the Yankees name on the Championship trophy, that's why they play the games...

Vrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrooooooooooooooooooom!
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: JediMAC on June 7, 2004, 06:13 PM
On a related note, has anyone picked up the "Ultimate Jordan" DVD that came out late last year?  I meant to snag one, but waited too long and they seemed to all completely disappear from my local Targets and Walmarts...

Finally came across another one of these at Target today, and snagged it for $15.  Looking forward to watching it, but I'll probably wait 'til after we win the Finals.   ;)
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: JediMAC on June 7, 2004, 06:14 PM
Earth to Colman...they aren't that good.

Earth to Pearson... they are that good.  They just don't like to flaunt it too much!   ;)
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: Morgbug on June 7, 2004, 09:26 PM
Earth to Colman...they aren't that good.

Earth to Pearson... they are that good.  They just don't like to flaunt it too much!   ;)

Earth2 to Colman.  They bloody better well watch themselves or they'll be so good that they'll end up losing.
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: JediMAC on June 7, 2004, 11:54 PM
Earth to Elliott...  The Celtics better watch themselves, or they're gonna be relegated to the CBA soon.

Make the Playoffs.  Then come talk to me.   :-*
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: Scott on June 8, 2004, 12:16 AM
Earth to Colman they made the playoffs...with a losing record ;D  Which is triple why the East shouldn't beat the West.  I just hope they do so I don't have to hear the Smug Bastard Brigade for a Whole Year :'(
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: Morgbug on June 8, 2004, 12:28 AM
Earth to Colman they made the playoffs...with a losing record ;D  Which is triple why the East shouldn't beat the West.  I just hope they do so I don't have to hear the Smug Bastard Brigade for a Whole Year :'(

Uh-huh, that would be this year.  Matt, I hope you can grovel on the extreme outside chance the Pistons win.  I never thought I'd cheer for that team, but I am now.  Bill Laimbeer is laughing at me now.
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: JediMAC on June 8, 2004, 12:34 AM
Earth to Elliott...  The Celtics better watch themselves, or they're gonna be relegated to the CBA WNBA soon.

Make the Playoffs.  Play .500 ball.  Then come talk to me.   :-*
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: Morgbug on June 8, 2004, 12:38 AM
Earth to Elliott...  The Celtics better watch themselves, or they're gonna be relegated to the CBA WNBA soon.



You need to go talk to Patty about gender issues.  Not getting much huh?  Sorry about your luck :-*
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: JediMAC on June 8, 2004, 12:45 AM
Not getting much huh?  Sorry about your luck :-*

Hey now!  That's only because I'm still recovering from my appendectomy, and I have to take it easy for a while 'cause I've still got healing wounds down there, ya' know?!?   :-X

Who the hell told you anyway?   >:(
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: Morgbug on June 8, 2004, 12:53 AM
Patty.  We talk all the time.

Oh look, time to run away :-*
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: Scott on June 8, 2004, 11:44 PM
(http://www.serc.si.edu/watershed/june2001/images/lightswitch.jpg)
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: Scott on June 9, 2004, 12:00 AM
They flipped it!  I think I would rather have Kobe take a last shot over even Jordan
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: Dressel Rebel on June 9, 2004, 12:07 AM
They flipped it!  I think I would rather have Kobe take a last shot over even Jordan

****
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: Scott on June 9, 2004, 12:22 AM
Nicely said Matty, Nicely Said

**** or **** would also work
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: JediMAC on June 9, 2004, 04:06 AM
I'm so pissed.  I just typed up a 40 minute expose' on tonight's game and the Lakers, but with one accidental flip of the thumb against this damned laptop's mousepad, wiped the ENTIRE thing out right as I was about to post it.  Mother f*****.   >:(

(http://espn.starwave.com/media/nba/2004/0608/photo/g_bryant2_ft.jpg)

Flipped the switch, indeed!   8)  Kobe saved our ass.  BIG TIME.  Again.  Suffice it to say, Kobe's as clutch as a player has ever been, and never ceases to amaze me.  He's right up there with, if not above, Michael, Magic, Bird, and Jerry West as the most clutch players of all time.

Can't believe Larry Brown didn't have his players foul on the Lakers' last play in regulation.  They could've fouled Shaq, Luke, or Kobe (before he shot it), and most likely won the game.  Bad coaching move from an otherwise great coach.

Luuuuuuuke Walton's contributions saved the game for us, after Phil almost lost it by not subbing Walton back in during the third quarter as our 11 point lead was quickly slipping away (as I predicted at halftime he would do).  Malone's got a sprained MCL, and should be out the rest of the Finals, but will adamantly refuse to be put up on the shelf, and will keep playing through the pain.  Payton sucks, and his attitude is going to be the one downside to this Championship.  He's a jerk.  Finally, Jeannie Buss said on a radio program today that there's a 95% chance that Phil will be back coaching the Lakers next year...   :-\

Really pissed I lost my previous thesis/post.   >:(
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: Scott on June 9, 2004, 10:40 AM
Billups made that shot with 30 seconds left they could have won it...agreed on the fouls too.  Why they didn't bear hug Shaq when he touched the ball is stoopid.  Coulda had that one and we'd be looking at a Good possibility of an upset...now the Lakers will win one out there and maybe even two and ice it in game 5...slight chance of this going 7 but I think Detroit won't recover
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: Scott on June 9, 2004, 11:32 AM
Larry Bird wants more White Guys in a "Black Man's Game" (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=1818396)
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: JediMAC on June 9, 2004, 11:38 AM
Shaq's defense is sucking again too.  Not helping out, clogging up the lane, or contesting shots at all, just like in the first two games against San Antonio.  The guy's averaging a sorry 9 boards and 1 block a game in this series so far.  That's WEAK.

But on the flip side, fortunately he's figured out how to shoot free throws of late, at about a 67% clip the past two games (8 for 12, and 9 for 14).  That's a major factor, and his free throw conversion on the 3-point play just before Kobe hit "The Shot", shouldn't be overlooked.  That was huge, and gave us the two 3-point plays that we needed to tie it up, after trailing by 6 with just 36 seconds left.

Walton was the difference though.  Just awesome.  The helpside defense he was providing on nearly every play when his teammates were beaten by their guy, probably saved us an additional 6 to 10 baskets.  It was almost all for not, as Phil predictably benched him for the entire third quarter after he had such a huge first half.  Phil - STUPID as always...
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: Morgbug on June 9, 2004, 11:51 PM
Larry Bird wants more White Guys in a "Black Man's Game" (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=1818396)

Weird.  I like the opinions of the young guys, it's talent, not race that matters.  With some of the context and being put in that position to have to answer by an interviewer, it may not be such a bad response, just not a politically correct response.  Bird always did speak his mind and Magic didn't seem to have much to disagree with.  Would like to see the whole interview too.
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: Scott on June 10, 2004, 11:20 PM
Lakers win this one...the NBA is rigged :P
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: Morgbug on June 10, 2004, 11:21 PM
Well I'm enjoying the game ;D
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: Scott on June 10, 2004, 11:22 PM
Well I'm enjoying the game ;D
I'm enjoying it immensly

Vrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrooooooooooooooooom

I hope the Pistons win to spite malcontent Payton and the Old Dirty Bastard Malone
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: Morgbug on June 10, 2004, 11:50 PM
 ;D

Franchise low in the playoffs.  Well done.  Bloody well done.
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: Scott on June 11, 2004, 12:10 AM
;D

Franchise low in the playoffs.  Well done.  Bloody well done.
They must not have been at the Switch.  What I want to know is who flips it?  Kobe?  Shaq?  Luuuuuuke?  Grandpa Malone?
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: Jeff on June 11, 2004, 09:05 AM
Well, last night's game deserves a big "Randy Award":

(http://graphics.jsonline.com/graphics/packer/img/rev/nov02/moss1117.jpg)


This one goes to "Mr. At-Best Adulterer":
(http://www.cnnsi.com/basketball/news/2003/07/11/kobe_mugshot_ap/t1_kobe_ap.jpg)

Hero of Game 2, Goat of Game 3.  ONE point in the first half?!?  My favorite part of the whole thing though was the pre-game interview in which this dorkwad was talking about how he'd like to leave the Lakers for the Knicks next year to play with Stephon saying that his heart isn't in it anymore with the LAkers.  

HUH?  Complaining about your current team just hours before a pivotal Game 3 in the Finals?  Way to have your head in the game jackass!

Jeff
"Asleep at the switch?  I wasn't asleep, I was drunk!" - Homer Simpson
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: Brian on June 11, 2004, 09:47 AM
Man, quite a game by the Pistons last night.  The Lakers can blame it on whatever they want, but boy those guys can play some defense.  I'm not the biggest Pistons fan in the world, but I can really appreciate the way those guys just flat out work.  They play a great team game, and each and every one of them defends as best they can.  I really didn't think they had a prayer in these finals going in, but it might be at least possible after seeing their performances so far.  All due respect to the Lakers (and Kobe's amazing shot in Game 2), but this could very easily be a 3-0 series at this point, and maybe should have been.  I'm glad it has been competitive, and that the Pistons are putting up a much better showing than the "experts" predicted.  I hope it continues.

I didn't see Kobe's comments on playing with Steph and the Knicks.  I am really curious to see what will happen with this Lakers team once the finals is over and done with.  I really don't know if I see Payton coming back, he has played terrible and seems quite unhappy.  Malone is starting to have consistent injury troubles, and should maybe consider retirement (although I think deep down he wants that scoring record).  Not sure about Phil or Kobe, but there's a chance both could end up leaving (or at least one).  Shaq should be one piece that is in place next season for sure, although he wants a new deal.  Could be a Lakers lineup of Fisher, Rush, George, Medvedenko, and Shaq next year :P
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: Morgbug on June 11, 2004, 11:35 AM
How huge was Kobe's shot in game 2?  Could it be any more important?  Wowzers.  

If the Lakers break up like Brian has suggested, I suppose next year will be much easier on us, having to listen to bulky blocky's new found humility.  Just so you know Matt, I've started going through the thread to pull your more pompous and arrogant moments out.  Should the Lakers lose this thing, I'll be most pleased to post them up seconds after the series is over ;D
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: JediMAC on June 11, 2004, 03:41 PM
Lakers played last night?  Damn, I must've missed it.

Actually, I had to listen to the first half in the car, as I spent 2 hours commuting home from the office.  Watched a little bit of the third quarter, and knew that we weren't really interested in flipping the switch tonight, so I just went and read a Harry Potter book for the rest of the game.  Haven't even checked the stats out yet...

I agree with what everyone's saying about the Pistons though (commentators, sports writers, talk show hosts, JD members, etc.), they play the most amazing defense ever, but it leads to some of the worst, most boring basketball in history to actually have to watch.  They put the clamp down on my boys last night, and definitely proved that Kobe's Game 2 shot wasn't going to wreak havok on their psychies, which is impressive.

Our two losses to them this series are by far the worst I've seen the Lakers play all year.  I'd say that's largely attributable to Detroit's tenacious defense, but it's partly attributable to us as well.  We just SUCK right now.  No idea WTF's going on with these stupid clowns, other than the fact that they're not terribly motivated (which I lay a lot of the blame on Phil for).

As for the Kobe/Knicks thing - I missed the pre-game interview, but find it very hard to believe that's exactly what he said Jeff.  Did Kobe actually say those things himself, and mean them, or did a commentator toss those comments out there and Kobe hypothetically commented on them?  If it's as bad as Jeff says, than that's pretty unf*cking believable.

I've heard the sports talk shows around here talking about the Kobe/Knicks thing the last couple days.  Apparently a NY Times reporter (or some NY paper) did a write up on a "what if" Kobe comes here, and made it sound like something was actually in the works.  Kobe addressed it later to the media and said there's been NOTHING going on with the Knicks to date, and there's no meetings set up with them in the future, but if Isaiah wanted to talk to him, he'd sit down with him and listen, even though he had no plans on going there.

The Knicks have no cap-room to sign Kobe though, so they'd have to work up some big sign and trade deal, which would HAVE to involve Marbury.  I just don't think Kobe would fit over there, 'cause they SUCK, and Marbury would never be able to share the ball with Kobe enough.  That would be a horrific duo to try making co-exist.  Kobe very well may bail on us, but I just don't think it'll be to the Knicks.  But I'm sure the NBA would love for that to happen, since NY is obviously a huge market, and in desperate need of revitalizing.  I do think Kobe's VERY excited about the prospect of ridding himself of Shaq though, and proving himself without MDE by his side.  So I'm starting to mentally prepare myself for his potential departure, unfortunately.  Guess we'll find out later on this summer...   :-\

Still not worried about this series yet.  Once Detroit's got 3 wins, and a healthy fourth quarter lead in #4, then I'll start worrying.  They're playing out of their minds right now, and we look like absolute horse$h!t, but I've been all too well trained by this team to rely on that ol' "switch", so I ain't sweatin' just yet...   ;)

Just so you know Matt, I've started going through the thread to pull your more pompous and arrogant moments out.  Should the Lakers lose this thing, I'll be most pleased to post them up seconds after the series is over ;D

Funny, but I've been doing the same thing, in preparation for my Championship gloating.  PMs too, so be ready!   :P
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: Jeff on June 11, 2004, 04:25 PM
The interview I heard wasn't a pre-game interview by ABC, but did take place the day of the game in the afternoon on ESPN or Fox sports radio (not sure which).

Granted, the radio guy (Rome?) made it seem much worse than what it was, but he did specifically mention Steph and the Knicks...  this was after he tried to tone down the uproar from a day or two earlier.

Jeff
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: JediMAC on June 11, 2004, 04:33 PM
Granted, the radio guy (Rome?) made it seem much worse than what it was, but he did specifically mention Steph and the Knicks...  this was after he tried to tone down the uproar from a day or two earlier.

Ah... Jim Rome!  OK.  Makes a little more sense now.  I listen to him most mornings.  He actually works right downstairs from me, and I see him from time to time at lunch.  Went to UC Santa Barbara too!   8)

I think it's mostly just a media thing goin' on here.  I don't think Kobe actually said the exact things that the media's making it out to sound like.  I thought the same thing when I first heard the story break a few days ago.

I'm sure Kobe will talk to the Knicks at some point, but I doubt that's going to be the right fit for him if he still has any interest in winning...  Gonna be a crazy summer following all his drama!
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: Scott on June 13, 2004, 11:35 PM
No Team has ever won the NBA Championship when being down 3-1

(http://www.serc.si.edu/watershed/june2001/images/lightswitch.jpg)
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: Matt on June 14, 2004, 12:00 AM
Well, with the exception of Phil Jackson, I hate the Lakers, so I'm glad to see them getting their asses handed to them like this.  But at the same time, I always like to see these best-of-seven series be really competitive and go seven games (and this goes for both basketball and baseball), so I'm a little disappointed to see that it might only go five.

I'm also a bit torn, too, because I have some really good seats to see the Lakers in a pre-season game here in OKC in October, and it'd be nice to see the "World Champions" in person.  But then again--what's gonna happen after this season?  Will Payton and Malone leave if (and that's a big if, at this point) they pull it out, and get their rings?  If they lose, are they gonna stick around for another shot, or are they gone either way?

I still won't know who to root for at that game--I hate the Lakers, but they're playing the Wizards, and I hate them too, for the bullsh!t way they treated Jordan after he retired last year.  

Thank God I got to see him in person, though.  The only regular-season NBA game I've ever been to.
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: Scott on June 14, 2004, 12:05 AM
The best part of all of this is...I'll be rid of this God-Awful user name on Tuesday!!
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: Morgbug on June 14, 2004, 12:26 AM
The best part of all of this is...I'll be rid of this God-Awful user name on Tuesday!!

I don't think you will.  I think it will take until Thursday.  Hopefully sooner, but that switch might have one more connection in it, if only to prevent humiliation at home.

Have I asked how important that 3 pointer was in game 2?

 :D
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: JediMAC on June 14, 2004, 01:14 AM
Good Lord.  What to say...?   :-\  My boys looked like absolute $h!t.  AGAIN.  The only thing working for us right now is Shaq's offense (definitely not his defense though, mind you).  Kobe can't hit the broad side of a barn right now, and is not driving to the hoop at all, like he has in every game for the past 7 or 8 years.  Definitely not himself right now.  The role players absolutely rot.  Beyond Shaq and Kobe, nobody on our team can make a basket.  It's really pathetic.  They're not playing with any heart, passion, desire, urgency, emotion, etc., etc., etc..........

I've got to say, and this is not a comment on the outcome of the game(s) at all, that it absolutely disgusts me to see the Lakers players and coaches being consistently "T'd" up with technical fouls if they so much as even look at any of the refs funny, yet all of the Pistons - especially Rasheed Wallace - can go absolutely ballistic all over the floor, several consecutive plays in a row, and not have a single word to them said by the refs.  That bull$h!t makes me totally nauseaus.  If the tech's called on us throughout the series were levied consistently against any of the Piston's players as well, Rasheed would've been ejected every single game, and four times over tonight alone.  Disgusting disparity going on in that aspect, and somewhat with the fouls in general, but I'm not going to fuss about those too much, since we suck so bad anyway.

True, Detroit's still playing great, on both ends.  But this goes far beyond the good D they're playing on us.  We just SUCK right now.  Phil Jackson is definitely not doing anything to help the situation either.  No mid game adjustments, no motivational speeches, no nuthin'...  I loved how he let Rasheed tear apart Slava and Luke time and time again, without even the slightest hint of altering our defensive scheme on him.  NOTHING.  Just stands there, and figures that if the players on the floor can't work it out on their own - oh well.   ::)

I'll say it again.  This team is one of the most underachieving sports teams of ALL-TIME, in ANY sport.  You have the two best players in all of basketball on the same team, and they look like the L.A. Clippers.  They should be totally embarrassed.  What's even funnier, though not surprising, is that they still don't care, and still aren't worried.  All the post game interviews with Phil, Shaq, and Kobe were all blah, blah, blah...  "We came up here to win one, and we're still planning on doing that."  One?  OK.  Good thinking.  Why win two or three, when you could just win one, and make it exciting for the fans by forcing a Game 7.  Dumbasses.

But like I said after the last game, I'm not super worried just yet.  If we're getting b-slapped in the 4th quarter of Tuesday's game, THEN I'll be worried.  Until then, I'll be just like the rest of the Lakers, and act like this is no big deal whatsoever.  We always play better when our backs are against the wall, and we've got something to prove.  Well, I think they've got themselves in that position now (intentionally?)...  Like Scott said, no team's ever come back from a 3-1 deficit in the Finals.  I'm sure the Lakers just thought it would be more fun to tackle that particular challenge, instead of just doing what they should, and not screwing around with the whole series.  Yeah, that's it...   ::)

See you all Tuesday night!  When I'm not going to be worried again...   :P
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: Scott on June 14, 2004, 10:53 AM
Actually Game 5 is in Detroit still which is why it will be over.  Detroit has been nothing short of dominant all 4 games and if were not for some bonehead coaching in Game 2 in the last minute they would be sizing their fingers today for rings.  

Its funny how a meaningless injury to a washed up Power Forward can do so much to a team...huh, kind of like an injury to an ALL-STAR Point Guard :'(
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: Morgbug on June 14, 2004, 10:59 AM
I've got to say, and this is not a comment on the outcome of the game(s) at all, that it absolutely disgusts me to see the Lakers players and coaches being consistently "T'd" up with technical fouls if they so much as even look at any of the refs funny, yet all of the Pistons - especially Rasheed Wallace - can go absolutely ballistic all over the floor, several consecutive plays in a row, and not have a single word to them said by the refs.  That bull$h!t makes me totally nauseaus.  If the tech's called on us throughout the series were levied consistently against any of the Piston's players as well, Rasheed would've been ejected every single game, and four times over tonight alone.  Disgusting disparity going on in that aspect, and somewhat with the fouls in general, but I'm not going to fuss about those too much, since we suck so bad anyway.


Matt,
while I agree with you on the disparity of the calls and that Wallace deserved one as well, a lot of times it's what is said and how it's said.  Add to that maybe you folks out West could get Mr. tied-for-9-championships coach to not slam the reffing in the press and it might work out better.  Sorry, but refs are people too.  If you shat upon them in the press, they just might read it.  They also might not be that impressed.  I also think the 'look at you funny' point is not at all fair.  Kobe damn well said something yesterday in the fourth quarter.  No idea what it was, but I can tell you this difference between Wallace's yapping only a few minutes before and Kobe's statement.  Wallace was on the other side of the key nattering away, Kobe was leaning over the ref saying what he was saying.  10-12 feet versus a little physical intimidation whether intentional or not can make a big difference in a response from a ref.  

Couple that with the stunning and blatant arrogance of the Lakers (hey, this is our championship, gimme, gimme, gimme) and just maybe they aren't the glamour boys they like to think they are.  You do have to show up and play the game, not just put on a yellow jersey.  I don't think the refs are all that impressed with the attitude either and are not prepared to just hand them the series.  

Bluntly, this thing should be over, right now.  Pull out the brooms.  It was a good great shot that kept the Lakers in it.  It was also a little blind luck that got them there.  After all, what are the odds Shaq would make a clutch free throw.  He sure as hell had enough chances last night to make a few more, including multiple retries after lane violations.  Check his stats.  See how many free throws he missed.  See if it makes a difference in the outcome of the game.  

Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: Scott on June 14, 2004, 06:00 PM
On a side note....it is really great that we can discuss players, teams, and b-ball in general here without it becoming an all out war.
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Good article, points out a bunch of good stuff, specifcally that a healthy Wolves Team and the Pistons could be the Lakers

Well, if Ralph Wiley says it, then it must be true...   ::)

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if either the Minnesota Timberwolves or the Detroit Pistons were at their full-strength rosters, and sound of mind as well as body, each of them, it can be argued, could win the NBA title;

Well...Ralph Wiley just kicked the bucket (http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/news/story?id=1821759)...your thoughts were dead on Ralph, thanks for them, I'll always treasure the moments we shared agreeing that the Lakers are the most overrated team in Sports history

Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: Jeff on June 15, 2004, 05:34 PM
(http://espn.starwave.com/media/nba/2004/0615/photo/r_lakers_frt.jpg)

Maybe Dr. Phil should flip the switch when he gets there...

Jeff
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: JediKnight87 on June 15, 2004, 06:00 PM
I think's it's over for the Lakers... unless they pull some MAJOR tricks out of their sleeves.
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: Morgbug on June 15, 2004, 07:00 PM
Actually Game 5 is in Detroit still which is why it will be over.  Detroit has been nothing short of dominant all 4 games and if were not for some bonehead coaching in Game 2 in the last minute they would be sizing their fingers today for rings.  


My bad, I presumed it was 2-2-1-1-1.  Oops :-[  You should be free of the hideous moniker (and entertaining avatar) in a few short hours.
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: Scott on June 15, 2004, 10:38 PM
Can the Pistons Hold on...I hope so, for my sake!
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: Darth Kenobi on June 15, 2004, 11:06 PM
Good thing I'm not a Lakers fan right now.  They down by 19 points at the moment and it looks like they won't make it to game 6.  I wish they would win so that I can see the idiot LA fans who start to burn stuff because they team won, I guess I will need to hear about Detriot Fans acting like idiots.  
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: Scott on June 15, 2004, 11:10 PM
23 points Tom :-*

I'll be nice and wait until the end of the game

Thanks to the Lakers for representing the Conference so well ::) ::) ::) ::)
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: Dressel Rebel on June 15, 2004, 11:14 PM
Pistons baby!

Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: Morgbug on June 15, 2004, 11:16 PM
10 minutes yet.  This is basketball, after all.
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: Scott on June 15, 2004, 11:17 PM
Bah its over

Lakers can't score 25 in a quarter and hold the Pistons scoreless.  They gave up at Halftime!


I forsee Matt replacing all of his posts with a Greggish .

Best get those quote while you can
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: JediMAC on June 15, 2004, 11:26 PM
I think's it's over for the Lakers...

Good God, it sounds like you're right.  I wouldn't know though, 'cause I'm still stuck at work right now with my prick boss, who's not letting me go home to watch the game.  Haven't seen a damned minute of it.  Haven't eaten in over 24 hours now either, but that's besides the point.

Looks like it's a good thing I'm not watching this, 'cause these pansies are toast.  Unbelievable.  Good thing I didn't change my flight to Nashville on Sunday night yet either (which would've conflicted with Game 7).   ::)

Back to work now.  I dread coming back in here after the game's actually over, to see what you buttdarts have in store for me.   :P

Be gentle.  Please.   :-*



In closing, I'd just like to say Go Angels!   8)
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: Matt on June 15, 2004, 11:29 PM
Haven't read the last couple of pages, but I heard that Accused Rapist guaranteed a win tonight--is that true?

If so, man, that's good stuff.
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: Scott on June 15, 2004, 11:35 PM
He did...I love people speculating where he'll be playing next year and not mentioning the fact he may wind up playing at the Eagle County Jailyard
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: Nicklab on June 15, 2004, 11:39 PM
I can't believe I'm seeing this?!  As much as I hate the Pistons for eliminating the Nets, I'm glad they took down the Lakers!
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: Dressel Rebel on June 15, 2004, 11:41 PM
Haven't read the last couple of pages, but I heard that Accused Rapist guaranteed a win tonight--is that true?

If so, man, that's good stuff.

Yeah, he did.

Accused rapist, definite adulterer.
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: Morgbug on June 15, 2004, 11:43 PM
October 7\
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So, who are you folks all rooting for, and what crazy reasons do you have for them possibly beating my Lakers?!    

November 7
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Oh well, we're still 6.1% of the way to the first undefeated season ever in the NBA!    At the very least, I think we'll surpass the Bulls record 72 win mark.  Most Laker fans will be pretty disappointed if we don't (assuming no major injuries).  Yeah, I'm probably getting over confident, but what the hell...  We've got four Hall of Famers, so we better be winning every game!

November 8
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Oh well.  I guess I can settle for 81-1.  I think...    At least the Kings went down tonight as well!

February 2
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If we win the Championship this year, I think I'm going to be shocked.  

March 04
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Love always,
Laker Fan
::)

March 12
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We're comin' for you.  
:-*

March 12 #2
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My prediction:  Lakers go undefeated the rest of the regular season.  You heard it here first.    

March 12 #3
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Stupid Lakers.

March 27
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But yeah - after the blowouts against you guys and the Queens, I think most people are thinking we're definitely the team to beat now.  Personally, I'm hoping we finish the regular season and the playoffs undefeated...

April 7
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T-Wolves, Spurs and Mavs are all picking it up again, and looking solid.  Mavs won't have enough in the defensive tank to get too far though (sorry Spider), and I think the Kings are still total head cases at this point, so it'll come down the the Lakers, Spurs, and Wolves, with the Lakers being the obvious winner.  

April 13
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Go Clippers!

I'll leave your yapping during the playoffs out of it here.  That's too unbearable to make everyone suffer through again.  

Now, open up and say ahhhhh  :-*
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: Nicklab on June 15, 2004, 11:46 PM
And now, unfortunately, Detroit may burn and suffer through a riot.  Why does that sort of thing always tend to happen in these midwestern cities after championships?  Chicago (Bulls), Detroit (Nasty Boys era), Columbus (Ohio State)...what gives?
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: Scott on June 15, 2004, 11:47 PM
Whew...Go To Jail! Go To Jail!


Congrats to the Pistons, I didn't you had a chance but I'm glad you showed most of the Country what we all knew...the Lakers were the most overrated "team" in history!!!!

Vrrrrrrrrrrrrrrooooooooooooooooooom

(http://espn-att.starwave.com/media/nba/2004/0615/photo/a_bwallace_ft.jpg)
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: Diddly on June 16, 2004, 12:33 AM
w00t!

I love it when the underdogs win. Just seeing the Lakers and their Star Power fall to the team of lesser knowns was great.

Hope you have fun in prison, Mr. Bryant! (Even though I think he's innocent, I'd like for him to get a few months just to se what would happen to the Lakers early next season).
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: Brian on June 16, 2004, 09:14 AM
Wow....just, wow.  A big congrats to the Detroit Pistons.  I sure as heck hated your teams in the 80s and 90s, but their style of play (and personnel) is definitely inspiring now.  As much as I was going for them (gotta go for the underdog), I really didn't think they had much of a chance against LA when the series started.  And, even after a couple of wins, I kept thinking that the Lakers would turn it on at some point too and even things up.  Detroit just had their number, and must have figured out how to beat them...and beat them badly.  This could have very easily been a sweep, and that is even more shocking.  Although I would have of course rather see Minny make it all the way, Detroit is definitely a deserving champion with their work ethic, style of play, and overall pretty classy behavior.  I saw this morning that right after the buzzer sounded, the players all went around hugging and talking to each of the Lakers players, instead of beginning their championship "jigs" right away.  A reserved jubilation, that typifies what a true champion is about.  I was very impressed with this team in this series.  It is funny how sports have been lately, the underdogs have really been getting their due it seems the last few years in baseball (Angels, Diamondbacks, Marlins), football (Rams first, then once they were good, the Patriots took it over), NCAA hoops (Syracuse last year), Hockey (Lightning), and now NBA with the Pistons.  I guess you can't ever count anyone out.

Now we can move on to all the offseason news, and looking forward to next season.  Draft is next week, then the free agent frenzy will begin once again (also the Olympic team thrown in there as well, and Kobe's court case).  As I've said before, I'm really curious what is going to happen to this Lakers team now....many of them seemed pretty noncommittal in the postgame interviews, not saying "i'm staying, we can still win together".  Sounds like Phil is a goner for sure, basically saying so himself.  I have my doubts about Payton staying in LA, and after losing this year, some doubts about Kobe as well if he is found innocent.  Shaq is under contract, but doesn't seem overly happy either...and Karl Malone says he'll only play if he is 100%.  It should be an interesting summer.  Congratulations again to the Detroit Pistons.

Oh...and Sammy C. is undergoing hip surgery and should be all ready to go by training camp.  Go Wolves  :P
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: Scott on June 16, 2004, 09:27 AM
Eastern Conference

Atlantic Division: Boston Celtics, New Jersey Nets, New York Knicks, Philadelphia 76ers, Toronto Raptors

Central Division: Chicago Bulls, Cleveland Cavaliers, Detroit Pistons, Indiana Pacers, Milwaukee Bucks

Southeast Division: Atlanta Hawks, Charlotte Bobcats, Miami Heat, Orlando Magic, Washington Wizards

Western Conference

Southwest Division: Dallas Mavericks, Houston Rockets, Memphis Grizzlies, New Orleans Hornets, San Antonio Spurs

Northwest Division: Denver Nuggets, Minnesota Timberwolves, Portland Trail Blazers, Seattle SuperSonics, Utah Jazz

Pacific Division: Golden State Warriors, Los Angeles Clippers, Los Angeles Lakers, Phoenix Suns, Sacramento Kings


Next years Conferences...sure glad the TPups got stuck with West Coast teams >:(  They lobbied hard to get into the Central and switch to the East so they could have those regional rivalries with Chicago and Milwaukee and Detroit (like MLB and NFL) but they didn't and they got stuck in an NHLesque Wildesque crap Division where games will start at 9:00 PM local a lot of nights :-X >:(  

Looking at it though I can't find a team to shift West from the East besides Charlotte...put them in the SW and the GRizz in the Northwest ;D
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: Jeff on June 16, 2004, 10:01 AM
Forgive my ignorance, but how does the re-arrangement affect the schedule?

Do we get less games against Duncan, Yao, and Nash in favor of more games against the Blazers and Sonics?  Ick.

At least we have a good change to own our division for a while... so does Denver.

Jeff

ps.
It's good to have ya back OCB ;)  and Mario too...
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: Scott on June 16, 2004, 10:13 AM
Under the new plan, teams will play divisional opponents four times each (two home games/two road games), conference opponents outside the division three or four times each and opponents outside the conference two times each (one home game/one road game).
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: Scott on June 16, 2004, 10:17 AM
Coming up next week is my chance to defend my title in the Scott E. Roth Memorial Cup For Excellence in Mock NBA Drafting (http://www.jedidefender.com/yabbse/index.php?board=28;action=display;threadid=751;start=msg21438#msg21438)

The best part about the Cup is that we have been doing it for about 10 years now (since the Webber/Penny draft) and my Brother has yet to win it...its been great
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: Brian on June 16, 2004, 10:23 AM
The new alignment should be interesting, thanks for posting all the divisions Scott.  Poor New Orleans, what a division to move into...first of all going to the West, and then in the same division as Dallas, Houston, San Antonio, and Memphis?  Ouch.  This could really be an interesting off-season (and season) now, with some of the Laker mystique broken, San Antonio getting knocked out earlier than expected, and more parity than maybe people thought in the league.  The Pistons win at least shows that the East has a chance, and maybe isn't quite as far behind the West as it once was (although I think the Pistons are MUCH better than the majority of the Eastern Conference).  The Draft should be interesting as well, tougher to pick this year, not very many "sure things".
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: Scott on June 16, 2004, 10:49 AM
Waaaah

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"Karl was really our energy around the court," Jackson said. "He was a guy that could get rebounds for us and do a lot of the things that we had to have done on screen-roll defense and we missed him tonight, a lot, and we missed him through this series."

I feel real sorry for ya Phil, losing a washed up 40 year old PF cost you a Ring....Puuuhleeease ::)
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: Morgbug on June 16, 2004, 09:58 PM
Sure is quiet in here.  Wonder where dat Colman feller got to :-*
Title: NBA Offseason
Post by: Brian on June 17, 2004, 03:33 PM
Well, with the champions now crowned and the season months away, the news now is offseason changes.  We have the drafts (expansion and regular) coming up in the next week or so, as well as free agency period on the horizon.

To start things off, I read some rumors over at ESPN in their chats (David Aldridge and Chad Ford today), that there are very strong rumors that Tracy McGrady is going to be traded.  A couple of scenarios mentioned included Phoenix (for Marion, Jacobsen and/or Johnson, #7 pick) as well as Indiana (Harrington, Bender, and someone else...Walsh has said anyone is available other than J O'Neal).  There was also talk that the Sonics will most likely trade Ray Allen at some point too.  This, coupled with the Lakers that might be on the open market again, could make for one wild offseason.  There was also rumor that the Spurs might let Malik Rose walk to another team to free up enough space to make Kobe a max offer.  The landscape of the league could once again be shaken up big time by the start of the season.  Any rumors, news, suggestions of what you'd like to see happen....feel free to post!  Although the player movement is exciting, it does make me long for the days when players stayed with the same team a little more often.  I remember one of the biggest trades of the NBA when I was growing up was Barkley going from the Sixers to the Suns....that was fairly rare, it seems to happen a bit more often now (as well as free agency movement).  Ah well, it should make for an exciting offseason at least...and a good shakeup might make things interesting.  As long as KG stays on the Wolves, I'll be ok :P.
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: Scott on June 17, 2004, 03:44 PM
KG is staying...so is Sammy C...Spree has an opt out but like Payton would make a lot less on the Open Market than playing out his contract

I'd like to see the Wolves go after a Center and a PF to try and spell KG a little bit and make some good matchup difficulty at SF

Wally is again the subject of much trade talk as he has been almost every offseason.  Rumor in today's paper was that he was going to Chicago for the #3 pick and Antonio Davis

Also read a few days ago at ESPN that the Lakers might/should consider trading Shaq and keeping Kobe since he's younger, more motivated and has a lot more upside.  I tend to agree with that but there aren't too many teams around that can take on Shaq's bloated contract

The Spurs/Kobe thing would be interesting...I'd rather see him go to the East so we don't have to play that At Best Adulterer any more than we have too
Title: Re: The NBA Playoffs!
Post by: Jeff on June 17, 2004, 03:57 PM
[snip]
I'd like to see the Wolves go after a Center and a PF to try and spell KG a little bit and make some good matchup difficulty at SF

[snip]
Also read a few days ago at ESPN that the Lakers might/should consider trading Shaq and keeping Kobe since he's younger, more motivated and has a lot more upside.  I tend to agree with that but there aren't too many teams around that can take on Shaq's bloated contract


My brother seems to think the Wolves should go after Rasheed Wallace, but why would he leave Detroit?!?  Another name he keeps throwing at me is Eric Dampier from Golden State.  I'm not sure how easy it would be to get either though...

I'm not worried about it, I'm hoping to steal a PF in the draft... what do we have, like the #29 pick for best record in the West, right?   :-X (Thanks again Joe Smith >:()
Oh well, there's always Ndudi Ebi, right ;)

And I'd love to see Kobe head to NY too so we don't see as much of him as well...

Jeff
Title: Re: NBA Offseason
Post by: Brian on June 17, 2004, 04:09 PM
Yeah, I'm glad KG is under contract for awhile yet, and he seems to be "at home" in Minnesota now too.  I would think Spree would stick around too, he's in a good situation and things nearly worked out to get to the Finals this year.  I actually posted the question to David Aldridge in chat today who would be the favorites, and he named Minny out West (and maybe San Antonio), as well as Detroit and Indiana in the East (obviously).

I have also ready what you have been hearing, that the Wolves should be after Erick Dampier.  He might be looking for too much $, since the Warriors can pay him more, so that might not happen.  Wally World seems to always be on the block...but if they got the #3 and Antonio Davis might not be too bad...could bring some decent young talent in.  I don't mind Wally though, sometimes it seems like he wants to shoot too much, but he sure did well every so often in the playoffs and is still fairly young (Spree and Sammy aren't getting any younger).

I'm with the Kobe to the east scenarios too, although I'd just like to see him and Shaq on different teams regardless of where it is.  I'm not sure what Kobe wants...he could obviously have a great chance at a championship right away in San Antonio, but he'd be a 1-2 combo again, and from what we consistently hear he wants to have "his team".  In that scenario he'd be better off going somewhere like the Clips or Phoenix, where he would be the main man with other supporting cast.  It will be interesting to see what he decides....and if he is able to play next year at all.  They said on ESPN this morning that the trial could be until November so he could miss the first month of the season at least the way it is.
Title: Re: NBA Offseason
Post by: Scott on June 17, 2004, 04:38 PM
I think right now Phoenix has the most potential, I said earlier in the year I could not believe how bad they are/were for as much talent as the have: Marion, Stoudemire, Joe Johnson and they had Marbury and Penny...not sure what happened there

Obviously they would have to dump Marion to pick up either Kobe or McGrady

I'd sort of like to see what Kobe could do with the Clippers...wouldn't have to change residences or arenas....its intriguing
Title: Re: NBA Offseason
Post by: Brian on June 18, 2004, 11:48 PM
Well, looks like the Laker offseason fallout may have begun:

Phil Leaves (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=1824658)

Shaq Might Be Too (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/columns/story?id=1824721)

Also, Kobe is officially a free agent now, and in other news T-Mac has told the Magic he wants out as well.  The crazy summer begins!
Title: Re: NBA Offseason
Post by: Morgbug on June 19, 2004, 12:23 AM
Lakers?  Who dat?  I remember some guy yammering away about them, but haven't seen hide nor hair of him lately.  I wonder why?



 :-*
Title: Re: NBA Offseason
Post by: JediMAC on June 19, 2004, 02:35 AM
Who dat?   ???

As expected, with the team saying that Kobe is the #1 priority at all costs, Shaq just requested a trade (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=1824691).  Wonderful.  Phil's gone (I don't care), but now Shaq wants out too.  That pretty much kills it.  I think the only thing that could keep him around, is if the Mailman comes back and wants to give it another shot.

The egos on this team are absolutely out-of-control right now.  Hell, Kobe could still walk as well, and we could be left with nobody.  (shut up all of you, I know what you're thinking!)   :P

As for my absence here (since I know B's concerned), I've just got so many things built up to unload, that I haven't spent the exhorbitant amount of time to put them all down in writing here.  Some day...

Suffice it to say, the Lakers CHOKED.  Pistons kicked our asses, 5 times in a row.  They look like the greatest team of all time, and it's a wonder that they weren't pursuing the Bulls all-time win record in the regular season this year.  Maybe just 'cause 'Sheed was late to the party.

So, who you think we're gonna get for Shaq?  It'll be funny if we can't get anything good for him, and he's forced to stay with us next year too, alongside his good pal Kobe.   :P

What's been so hard about losing this Championship, is not the Championship itself, but knowing that it's the end of an era for this team, many of which have been together for 7 or 8 years now...  That's what is making it so painful.  Thought we had a lot of drama during the season?  Just wait and watch the offseason.  Gonna be some crazy sheeat goin' down 'round Hollywood!
Title: Re: NBA Offseason
Post by: Scott on June 19, 2004, 10:38 PM
Must Read (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/columns/story?id=1824721)

I've always liked Shaq, even though his free throws and rebounding are a bit atrocious he's a dang good player and I really admire his grace for being so huge.  He's like a 370 pound ballerina out there

Never liked Kobe and this article cements it more and more.  I can see wanting to build your team around him but see where he'll get you by himself (see Tracy McGrady)  What a spoiled premadonna...I hope Eagle County locks that punk up for the rest of his life and he can rot in jail... ::)
Title: Re: NBA Offseason
Post by: JediMAC on June 19, 2004, 11:12 PM
That's an extremely slanted, biased, and often flat-out incorrect article there.  Suggesting that Shaq didn't add just as much fuel to the fire as Kobe did is asinine.  They went back and forth in the media all year long.  Shaq never bit his tongue and kept his mouth shut like that article says.  I saw interview after interview, tirade after tirade, of Shaq slamming Kobe just as much as Kobe slammed him, if not worse.

The bottom line is, they've got the two biggest egos in the NBA, and if they're not able to win Championships, then they can't coexist.  Period.  Winning kept them civil towards eachother.  Shaq's been just as much a whiny piece of $h!t as Kobe has been all year.  Their behavior has been ridiculous and embarrassing throughout - both of them.

Most Laker fans have known all year long that if we didn't win the title, either Shaq or Kobe would be gone.  They let last year's gaff slide, but two in a row and the party's over.  Jerry Buss prefers Kobe, and unfortunately made that all too clear a couple days ago (through Kupchack), so now Shaq wants out.  As for Phil, he was teetering on the Shaq/Kobe decision too.  If Shaq had stayed, Phil would've probably stayed.  If Kobe stayed, it meant Phil had to go, 'cause Kobe wasn't too big a fan of him.

But they're both whiny primadonnas, hell - even Phil is, and they've increasingly been so over the past couple years.  There's really no in-between ground here.  You're either on Shaq's side, or Kobe's side.  Obviously that writer was on the former, and wrote his biased piece as such.  But after watching these two egomaniacs all year long (and every year prior), I can guarantee you that article is completely bogus.

But the idea of McGrady and Shaq together down in Orlando makes me a little nervous.  Hopefully Kupchack has the sense not to let that happen.  Meanwhile, both Payton and Fisher have to decide by Wednesday if they're staying or going.  Rather hard decision, considering they have no idea whatsoever who will be coaching, which superstars might be staying (if any), etc.  That'd suck to be in that position.   :-\

It's been insane around here in L.A. with all the media coverage of the Laker fallout.  TV, radio, newspapers, etc.  Everywhere you look it's crap about the Lakers, and how freaking dysfunctional and egomaniacal they all are.  Real crappy way to end the era...   >:(
Title: Re: NBA Offseason
Post by: Brian on June 22, 2004, 08:32 AM
Sounds like there could be another dynamic duo in the making.  ESPN is reporting that T-Mac is close to joining Yao in Houston (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=1825839)

The trade runs down like this (assuming none of these players are selected in tonight's expansion draft):

Houston Gets:
Tracy McGrady
Juwan Howard

Orlando Gets:
Steve Francis
Cuttino Mobley
Kelvin Cato

It is possible that Tyronn Lue and Andrew DeClercq could be thrown in the deal as well.  Pretty big news if this would hold true.  Another one of the NBA's superstars headed to the Western Conference.
Title: Re: NBA Offseason
Post by: SPIDERLEGS on June 23, 2004, 04:41 AM
If the rumors are true, we'll take Shaq this year AND Phil Jackson next year after he's had some time off. The Mavs have never advanced beyond the Western Conference Finals, so we're overjoyed at the possibility of obtaining Shaq and maybe Phil. If we can make the trade and keep 2 of Dirk, Nash or Finley, so much the better.

I'd love to trade Walker, Jamison, Bradly and Abdur-Wahad (whatever his name is). But who would take Bradly..? No one.

It will be interesting. McGrady to the Rockets with Yao is a coup.
Title: Re: NBA Offseason
Post by: Jeff on June 23, 2004, 09:22 AM
Say Hello to your Charlotte Bobcats:

POS. PLAYER FROM
F  Lonny Baxter* Washington
G  J.R. Bremer* Golden State
C  Primoz Brezec Indiana
G  Maurice Carter* New Orleans
C  Predrag Drobnjak L.A. Clippers
F   Desmond Ferguson* Portland
F  Marcus Fizer* Chicago
G  Richie Frahm* Seattle
F  Brandon Hunter Boston
F  Jason Kapono Cleveland
F-C Zaza Pachulia Orlando
F  Aleksandar Pavlovic Utah
F  Jamal Sampson L.A. Lakers
G  Tamar Slay* New Jersey
F  Theron Smith Memphis
G  Jeff Trepagnier* Denver
F  Gerald Wallace Sacramento
C  Jahidi White Phoenix
C  Loren Woods* Miami
* unrestricted Free Agent after next year

How many of these guys will be with the team on opening day next year?

I'll say 5 (out of 19).

Jeff
Title: Re: NBA Offseason
Post by: Scott on June 23, 2004, 10:30 AM
Scott E Roth Cup For Excellence in Mock Drafting tomorrow night, pumped up to defend my title...not sure on how my Board will play out yet, doesn't sound like the Magic know who they'll even take

Shaq to the Mavs would be huge but they would almost have to part with too much to get him.  McGrady for Francis is a great move for the Rockets, not sure what the Magic are thinking on that one as Francis is one of the most overrated players in the NBA IMO
Title: Re: NBA Offseason
Post by: Dark_Kanos on June 23, 2004, 11:05 AM
 >:( Celtics are dumb by leting go Brandon Hunter :'( He was good :'(
Title: Re: NBA Offseason
Post by: Brian on June 23, 2004, 11:14 AM
Could be a crazy week (and months) in the NBA with all of this draft/trade/free agency talk.  I kind of hope that Shaq goes elsewhere, but it might be tough to find someone that can make it work out with his HUGE contract.  Dallas could be a possibility, as well as Indiana.  It would be hard, because you don't want to give up too much for him.  He's still dominant, but probably only has a few good years left in him.  You'd hate to give up a lot of talent (especially younger talent) for someone who, while still the most dominant player in the league, is probably on the down side of his career.  I would like to see him go elsewhere, and to see he and Kobe go head to head.  I think if LA trades Shaq, it really boosts the chances that Kobe re-signs there.  On that note, sounds like Payton is staying put now.  I never would have guessed that a month ago, but Jackson going probably helps matters a lot.

T-Mac to Houston is sort of sounding like a done deal, although there are still rumblings about Indiana too.  McGrady and Yao could be a potent combo, and help the Rockets rise up to the West's elite.  Could be a lot of faces in new places next season....like every year anymore it seems...but it could make it interesting.  With that in mind, here's a list of the free agents (restricted/unrestricted) for this summer, courtesy of NBA.com:

Summer 2004 Free Agents (http://www.nba.com/news/Free_Agents-109163-571.html)
Title: Re: NBA Offseason
Post by: Brian on June 24, 2004, 08:57 AM
Some more trading frenzy going on....the latest rumor has the Wizards and Mavericks making a swap (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=1827125)

Wizards Receive:
Antawn Jamison

Mavericks Receive:
Jerry Stackhouse
Christian Laettner
2004 NBA Draft #5 Pick

This trade is being made (at least from Dallas' standpoint) to give them more to work with in trying to get Shaquille to big D.  From the reports on ESPN this morning, it sounds like he is really positive about wanting to leave LA, and not wavering on it at all.  Dallas is sounding like the most likely destination, but they don't want to part with Nowitzki in the deal.  Stackhouse and/or Laettner might be headed elsewhere as well.  Also, in other Laker news, Derek Fisher opted for free agency as well.

The T-Mac trade will likely be on hold until after the draft, as it has been said as many as 7 teams have made offers to Orlando, and they are taking their time to see their best options.  Teams expected to be in the mix are Houston, Indiana, Phoenix and the Clippers....Houston is still rumored to be T-Mac's choice.

Also, the Bulls picked up the #7 pick from Phoenix for a 2nd round pick, future 1st, and cash.  The Bulls now has two picks in the top 10 this year, something might be brewing there as well.
Title: Re: NBA Offseason
Post by: Scott on June 24, 2004, 09:09 AM
That Phoenix trade is a head scratcher, sure they get room but they also go from a mid range lottery pick to a big ?? in the future.  I've read they got frustrated by Orlando's wait and see approach on McGrady

I really hope the Mavs don't get Shaq...but their team is so much in flux right now that who knows who will be on the floor next fall!
Title: Re: NBA Offseason
Post by: Scott on June 24, 2004, 03:09 PM
Scott E Roth Picks...

1. Dwight Howard
2. Emeka Okafor
3. Ben Gordon
4. Devin Harris
5. Shaun Livingston
6. Andre Iguodala
7. Luke Jackson
8. Jameer Nelson
9. Luol Deng
10. Robert Swift
11. Andris Bendrins
12. Josh Childress
13. Kirk Snyder
14. Sergey Monya

Tough one this year as #1 isn't even decided yet, the low out of 15 between myself, my brother and our buddy was only 3 right, we may be approaching that one this year
Title: Re: NBA Offseason
Post by: Scott on June 24, 2004, 03:52 PM
(http://www.nba.com/media/timberwolves/roth1_200_8990.jpg)

Scott Roth's Illustrious NBA Career (http://www.basketballreference.com/players/playerpage.htm?ilkid=ROTHSC01)
Title: Re: NBA Offseason
Post by: Brian on June 24, 2004, 04:16 PM
Its funny, I think I remember Scott Roth being one of those cards where my friends and I were "another Scott Roth?" back when we were collecting hoops cards :D
Title: Re: NBA Offseason
Post by: Scott on June 24, 2004, 04:23 PM
Its funny, I think I remember Scott Roth being one of those cards where my friends and I were "another Scott Roth?" back when we were collecting hoops cards :D
That is sort of why he's our Anti-Hero, we had hundreds of his 89 Hoops Card between me, my brother and our friends and HE SUCKED.  Not sure how he ever made the Wolves...oh wait...THEY SUCKED too :P
Title: NBA Draft
Post by: Brian on June 25, 2004, 08:55 AM
Draft Results (Round 1)...a few surprises, some trades, probably more to come:

1. Orlando Magic - Dwight Howard
2. Charlotte Bobcats - Emeka Okafor
3. Chicago Bulls - Ben Gordon
4. L.A. Clippers - Shaun Livingston
5. Washington Wizards (traded to Dallas) - Devin Harris
6. Atlanta Hawks - Josh Childress
7. Phoenix Suns (traded to Chicago) - Luol Deng
8. Toronto Raptors - Rafael Aroujo
9. Philadelphia 76ers - Andre Iguodala
10. Cleveland Cavaliers - Luke Jackson
11. Golden State Warriors - Andris Biendrins
12. Seattle Supersonics - Robert Swift
13. Portland Trailblazers - Sebastian Telfair
14. Utah Jazz - Kris Humphries
15. Boston Celtics - Al Jefferson
16. Utah Jazz - Kirk Snyder
17. Atlanta Hawks - Josh Smith
18. New Orleans Hornets - J.R. Smith
19. Miami Heat - Dorell Wright
20. Denver Nuggets (traded to Orlando) - Jameer Nelson
21. Utah Jazz (traded to Dallas) - Pavel Podkolzine
22. New Jersey Nets - Victor Khryapa
23. Portland Trailblazers - Sergei Monya
24. Boston Celtics - Delonte West
25. Boston Celtics - Tony Allen
26. Sacramento Kings - Kevin Martin
27. L.A. Lakers - Sasha Vujacic
28. San Antonio Spurs - Beno Udrih
29. Indiana Pacers - David Harrison

Record 8 high schoolers taken in the first round.  Some teams possibly picking for others, with more trades in the works.

**Also of note, the Timberwolves picked up Blake Stepp of Gonzaga in the second round.  Be nice to have a first round pick again (thanks Joe Smith!)**
Title: Re: NBA Offseason
Post by: Brian on June 25, 2004, 09:17 AM
Round 2.....

30. Orlando Magic - Anderson Varejao
31. Chicago Bulls (traded to Phoenix) - Jackson Vroman
32. Washington Wizards - Peter John Ramos
33. L.A. Clippers - Lionel Chalmers
34. Atlanta Hawks - Donta Smith
35. Seattle Supersonics (traded to Memphis) - Andre Emmett
36. Orlando Magic (traded to Memphis) - Antonio Burks
37. Atlanta Hawks - Royal Ivey
38. Chicago Bulls - Chris Duhon
39. Toronto Raptors - Albert Miralles
40. Boston Celtics - Justin Reed
41. Seattle Supersonics - David Young
42. Atlanta Hawks - Viktor Sanikidze
43. New York Knicks - Trevor Ariza
44. New Orleans Hornets - Tim Pickett
45. Charlotte Bobcats - Bernard Robinson
46. Portland Trailblazers - Ha Seung Jin
47. Miami Heat - Pape Sow
48. Sacramento Kings - Ricky Minard
49. Memphis Grizzlies - Sergei Lishouk
50. Dallas Mavericks - Vassilis Spanoulis
51. New Jersey Nets - Christian Drejer
52. San Antonio Spurs - Romain Sato
53. Miami Heat - Matt Freije
54. Detroit Pistons - Rickey Paulding
55. Houston Rockets - Luis Flores
56. L.A. Lakers - Marcus Douthit
57. San Antonio Spurs - Sergei Karaulov
58. Minnesota Timberwolves - Blake Stepp
59. Indiana Pacers - Rashad Wright
Title: Re: NBA Offseason
Post by: Scott on June 25, 2004, 09:47 AM
Scott E Roth Picks...

1. Dwight Howard
2. Emeka Okafor
3. Ben Gordon
4. Devin Harris
5. Shaun Livingston
6. Andre Iguodala
7. Luke Jackson
8. Jameer Nelson
9. Luol Deng
10. Robert Swift
11. Andris Bendrins
12. Josh Childress
13. Kirk Snyder
14. Sergey Monya

Tough one this year as #1 isn't even decided yet, the low out of 15 between myself, my brother and our buddy was only 3 right, we may be approaching that one this year
Well, I tied for first this year, I actually switched Harris and Livingston and got 6 right...not too bad.  We were looking through past mocks, the best one was 8 for 13 in 1997 the year of Duncan and Kobe, the worst was 1998 when the Clippers took Olawikandi over Bibby at the last minute.  Last night was sort of like that...noone knew for sure that the Magic were gonna take Howard

I think the Mavs should not even think of trading for Shaq, it makes no sense.  They are stacked right now and they might have a chance if Pavel is as good as they say he might be to be contenders next year.  PLus they have a replacement for Nash should he decide to leave
Title: Re: NBA Offseason
Post by: Jeff on June 29, 2004, 11:31 AM
Mitchell to be named Raptors coach (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=1831290)

Good to see good things come to the former T-Wolf...

Jeff
Title: Re: NBA Offseason
Post by: Scott on June 29, 2004, 11:33 AM
COngrats to Sam, good guy, good luck with that Team ::)
Title: Re: NBA Offseason
Post by: Brian on June 29, 2004, 04:13 PM
Not really "offseason" news, but I see that Sports Illustrated has named Kevin Garnett their player of the year...check out the article HERE (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2004/magazine/specials/player_of_the_year/2004/06/28/nba0705/index.html)
Title: Re: NBA Offseason
Post by: Scott on June 29, 2004, 05:02 PM
Sounds like the McGrady/Francis deal is as good as done ::)
Title: Re: NBA Offseason
Post by: Scott on June 29, 2004, 05:03 PM
http://www.nba.com/rockets/

(http://www.nba.com/media/rockets/mcgrady_trade_hp.jpg)
Title: Re: NBA Offseason
Post by: Scott on July 1, 2004, 09:56 PM
Mike Kruziaudhski to coach the Lakers??? (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=1832934)

Interesting...not sure if he would be my choice.  He's been successful in college but name 1 college to pro coach that's done anything?
Title: Re: NBA Offseason
Post by: Matt on July 1, 2004, 10:01 PM
name 1 college to pro coach that's done anything?

"I know one!"

(http://enquirer.com/editions/2003/06/02/larry_zoom.jpg)
Title: Re: NBA Offseason
Post by: Scott on July 1, 2004, 10:04 PM
Damn...although it took him a long ass time to do it...how about...

(http://www.amarillonet.com/images/headlines/010901/pitino.jpg)

Or

(http://sportsmed.starwave.com/media/nba/2001/1204/photo/a_floyd_i.jpg)

Or

(http://www.hawkzone.com/images/020998/leg_calipari.jpg)
Title: Re: NBA Offseason
Post by: Scott on July 1, 2004, 10:12 PM
And Steve Nash is gonna sign with the Suns who were the first to Offer The Rapist Kobe a deal...I think I'd rather have Kobe but they also were able to save $40 million over 5 years
Title: Re: NBA Offseason
Post by: JediMAC on July 5, 2004, 10:34 PM
Well, Coach K is out for the Lakers.  Sticking with Duke.  That might be the last straw for Kobe's chances to stay with the Lakers.  Looking more and more like he might jump ship to the neighboring Clippers lockerroom at Staples.

We're running out of chances to trade Shaq as well, especially after the Mavs dumped Nash and Antawn Jamison.  They'll have to give up both Finley and Nowitzki now to land the big guy, leaving them with only Walker (and Stackhouse?), so I just don't think it's going to happen.  So if Shaq's stuck in L.A. for the final year of his contract, Kobe's as good as gone.

Oh well.  Can't say I haven't been preparing myself for it.  At least we still have Payton!   ::)
Title: Re: NBA Offseason
Post by: Brian on July 6, 2004, 01:17 PM
Kind of lost in the shuffle with all the big news lately, but Spree did exercise his option with the Wolves, keeping him here for next season.  Sounds like he wants to finish his career in Minny as well....LINKY (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=1832874)

Just read over at ESPN that Kobe is having his "suitors" visit him at home...Nuggets yesterday, Clippers later this week most likely.  Also, the Jazz have made Mehmet Okur an offer rumored to be around 48M, time to see if the Pistons will counter (likely not if going after Sheed).  Also, in some minor signings, Foyle is re-upped with Golden State, as well as Camby with the Nuggs.

I have also read that Minnesota is possibly rumored to be involved in a deal for Ray Allen.  Who knows if it will happen, and if so, which players would be included...but I have always been a fan of Allen, be nice to see him a T-Wolf (I believe he was drafted there originally, before being traded to Milwaukee?).  I'd hate to see the team shook up too much, but he's a heck of a shooter and player.  
Title: Re: NBA Offseason
Post by: JediMAC on July 7, 2004, 01:45 PM
Looks like the Wolves haven't quite thrown in the towel on Hudson (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2004/scorecard/07/07/truth.rumor/index.html) yet either...

Quote
Minnesota has reportedly offered Troy Hudson an $18 million, five-year deal, with incentives that could make it worth $25 million.

But if you guys managed to score Ray Allen somehow, that would be HUGE!  I'm assuming it would be for Cassell and a couple others at the very least, thought that would still be a STUPID move on the Sonics part.  But a triple threat of Garnett, Spree, and Allen would be even more impressive than last year's combination with Cassell.  You guys should go all out for that, if you really have a shot at him...

I was watching Gary Payton on The Best Damned Sports Show a couple nights ago, and he's talking about doing his absolute best to try to keep the whole gang together (less Jackson of course).  He said he was almost positive that Malone will come back, and he's gonna go visit Shaq in Orlando this week to try to talk to him, and then is (shockingly) going to attend Kobe's court case at some point to show some love and support for him as well.

Sounds to me like GP knows he's locked into L.A. now, and without the rest of the guys, he's gonna be screwed if he still wants that elusive championship...  The drama continues.  This is far better than any soap opera, I tell ya'!
Title: Re: NBA Offseason
Post by: Scott on July 7, 2004, 04:38 PM
I don't think Cassell, Spree and Garnett are going anywhere.  It would probably involve Wally and perhaps a sign and trade with Hudson

Someone tell Gary there is no way in hell that Kobe is going to be back because Shaq isn't going anywhere
Title: Re: NBA Offseason
Post by: Scott on July 7, 2004, 04:43 PM
Wow...here's the rumored deal

Seattle gets:
G-Paul Pierce

Boston gets:
G/F-Wally Szczerbiak
C-Michael Olowakandi

Minnesota gets:
G-Ray Allen

Do it...and do it soon
Title: Re: NBA Offseason
Post by: JediMAC on July 7, 2004, 05:38 PM
Yikes!  That'd put you right up there with our previous HOF quartet!   ;)

Forgot about Wally World, but I was thinking Kandy might be good trade bait.  You guys have about enough of him out there yet?  I remember how excited you were when you nabbed his sorry ass from the Clippers...   :P
Title: Re: NBA Offseason
Post by: Scott on July 7, 2004, 06:12 PM
Well, I really think he can be better than he was in the Playoffs.  He showed signs in the regular season of being a good fit.  I think missing half of the year and some poor conditioning got to him (as evidenced by his explosion against Shaq in Game 1 of the West Finals)  I'm not ready to throw in the towel, but that would be a huge upgrade:

Cassell
Allen
Sprewell
Garnett
Johnson

I like our chances...Hassell and hopefully Hudson off the bench.  Backup Center would be a problem

Interested to see how Ebi their #1 pick last year progresses this summer.  He might be a neat little piece of the puzzle this year too
Title: Re: NBA Offseason
Post by: Brian on July 8, 2004, 09:09 AM
That was the trade I had heard rumored as well Scott, and to be honest, I really hope that is true.  Allen is a great player, and I think would compliment the Wolves well.  Lots of firepower with a lineup of Sammy C, Allen, Spree and KG.  Honestly, I can't see why Boston would do that trade, but then again it is Ainge.  If that offer is on the table...like you said...do it, and do it now! :)
Title: Re: NBA Offseason
Post by: Brian on July 8, 2004, 09:14 AM
Oh...a few other NBA tidbits here....apparently Orlando has signed top pick Dwight Howard, and also agreed to terms with Hedo Turkoglu (Spurs can still match) on a 6 year, 39M deal (LINKY (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=1835898)).  Also, word is that Vince wants out of Toronto, so another superstar on the trading block.  Also, the Jazz have re-signed Carlos Arroyo....and finally, Phoenix has apparently gotten Quentin Richardson to agree to an offer sheet (Clips can match) of around 50M.
Title: Re: NBA Offseason
Post by: Brian on July 9, 2004, 09:15 AM
Latest Shaq rumblings (according to Sportscenter this morning)...

Miami receives:

C Shaquille O'Neal

L.A. Lakers receive:

F Brian Grant
F Lamar Odom
1st Round Draft Pick

Don't know if this will happen or not, but Wade and Shaq together could be a formidable combo, especially in the East.
Title: Re: NBA Offseason
Post by: Brian on July 10, 2004, 07:56 PM
Well, according to this article (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=1837581) at ESPN.com, it sounds like the deal sending Shaq to Miami might be almost done.  Shaq has reportedly Ok'd the deal, sending Caron Butler, Lamar Odom, and Brian Grant to Los Angeles.  Its too bad (for the Heat) that they couldn't keep a hold of someone else (like Butler), but they'll still have Wade and Shaq, as well as Eddie Jones.  Any thoughts on the trade?
Title: Re: NBA Offseason
Post by: Scott on July 13, 2004, 12:47 PM
Wolves and Hudson have agreed to a 6 Year Deal...now on to resigning Hassell and Hello Western Conference Favorites (although the Spurs and Rockets will be just as good)
Title: Re: NBA Offseason
Post by: JediMAC on July 13, 2004, 01:44 PM
Good news for you guys keeping Hudson around for a while.  He's a tough little fella!  So, no word up there on the Ray Allen deal now?  Did it fall apart, or just never really materialize?  Or maybe just still in the works...

So, the laughable news of the day (yesterday actually), is that Gary Payton has changed his mind, and now wants the hell out of L.A. as well.  My guess is that he just re-signed in hopes of talking both Shaq and Kobe into staying, but now that Shaq's ass is toast, I guess The Glove said forget it!

Not real thrilled with that Shaq trade, but it was a forced hand, so I guess it's the best we could get in return...  Grant's a good, solid power forward, but has become increasingly fragile in recent years.  Odom's always had potential, but is streaky, and tends to mope a bit when he doesn't have the ball in his hands (which won't happen if Kobe's still around).  Plus, he was still having lots of "problems" in his prior stint out here in L.A., which may resurface if he returns.  Don't know much about Caron Butler, but it sounds like he's a pretty good player.  Plus a first-rounder...

Still sucks to not even get a single All-star in return for one of the game's best players ever.  That's pretty weak.  We should've at least brought L.A. fan favorite Eddie Jones back into the fold with the deal.   >:(

It'll be most amusing if Kobe decides to sign with the Clippers (or someone else), after making the Lakers ditch Shaq and Phil in order to keep him happy.  Man, the $h!t will hit the fan if he bails on us too...  (and I know some of you clowns have a big ol' grin on your faces right now...   >:()
Title: Re: NBA Offseason
Post by: Morgbug on July 13, 2004, 01:58 PM
(and I know some of you clowns have a big ol' grin on your faces right now...   >:()

Huh?  Wha?  Who you lookin' at?






 ;D
Title: Re: NBA Offseason
Post by: Scott on July 13, 2004, 02:05 PM
I think its odd that Teams are willing to throw huge sums of dough at a guy that has a chance of playing hoops with convicts next year.  I wonder how much teams are investigating the case before contacting him
Title: Re: NBA Offseason
Post by: Brian on July 14, 2004, 03:48 PM
Well, its official....pending physicals, Shaq is now a member of the Miami Heat (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=1839693)
Title: Re: NBA Offseason
Post by: Jeff on July 14, 2004, 03:57 PM
Oooh...

And it looks like the Clippers Cleared Cap Room (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=1839604) to prepare for the big run at Kobe.  

So much for the "LEastern" Conference jokes I guess.  Detroit and Miami will both have some big-gun power next year...

What happens when Shaq-Fu is in Miami, Kobe's with the Clippers, Malone retires, and Payton balks on his contract to retire as well... think Rudy T can make it with Fox/Walton/Odom/Butler/Grant?   :D

Jeff
Title: Re: NBA Offseason
Post by: Scott on July 14, 2004, 04:01 PM
Lakers losing Shaq and Kobe in the same week = Priceless

Heard rumors that Mailman might be headed there as well

What do you guys think of the whole Boozer thing
Title: Re: NBA Offseason
Post by: Brian on July 14, 2004, 04:01 PM
 :D...you can already order your Miami Heat Shaquille O'Neal jersey at Miami's site (http://www.nba.com/heat/), that didn't take long..
Title: Re: NBA Offseason
Post by: Scott on July 14, 2004, 04:02 PM
#32???

(https://www.miamihoopsgear.com/Secure/_images/products/shaq32mh.jpg)
Title: Re: NBA Offseason
Post by: Brian on July 14, 2004, 04:05 PM
Back to his "roots" apparently?  The landscape of the NBA is definitely changing for next season though...T-Mac in Houston, Shaq in Miami...who knows who is next :).
Title: Re: NBA Offseason
Post by: Jeff on July 14, 2004, 04:09 PM
What do you guys think of the whole Boozer thing

The occasional bottle of Canada's finest doesn't make you a boozer...
OH.  You meant Carlos Boozer.

Uh, if he really did have a deal with the Cav worked out and then balked for more cash, that's kinda cheap.  But, if there was no agreement with the Cavs (as he seems to indicate) then it's too bad for Cleveland I guess.

Paxton probably deserves a little heat though for not getting things done BEFORE he got out into the open market...

Jeff
Title: Re: NBA Offseason
Post by: Scott on July 14, 2004, 04:14 PM
Gah...I forgot he was 32 and then switched to 34 because of Magic, my bad :-[ ;)
Title: Re: NBA Offseason
Post by: Brian on July 14, 2004, 04:19 PM
I know, I forgot that too at first...I was like "32?...ooooh yeaaaah"  Wade, Jones, and Shaquille could be a strong trio next season.  Oh, and the Heat also signed Michael Doleac...so the title is sewn up :P

Minnesota Timberwolves...2004-2005 NBA Champions?  ;)
Title: Re: NBA Offseason
Post by: Scott on July 14, 2004, 04:27 PM
I think the Spurs, Wolves, Kings, Pistons and Rockets should all be contenders.  Still a ways to go though...the Nuggets might actually be pretty dang good if they land Martin and Kobe could still somehow suprise everyone wher he ends up
Title: Re: NBA Offseason
Post by: JediMAC on July 14, 2004, 05:25 PM
 ::)

Lakers.  All the way.  You heard it here first.

Luke Walton and Kareem Rush will lead us back to the promised land, in our return to glory.  Mark my words...



And who's this Shaq fella everyone's babbling about?  Is he that big fatass dude that never plays any D, and just dunks a lot?  Starred in a couple real crappy movies and made a rap album or two?

**yawn**
Title: Re: NBA Offseason
Post by: Morgbug on July 14, 2004, 09:50 PM

And who's this Shaq fella everyone's babbling about?  Is he that big fatass dude that never plays any D, and just dunks a lot?  Starred in a couple real crappy movies and made a rap album or two?

**yawn**

You forgot can't shoot free throws.  Just trying to help :-*
Title: Re: NBA Offseason
Post by: JediMAC on July 15, 2004, 12:57 AM
You're absolutely right.  Thanks B!   :-*

Speaking of which, is it just me, or does Shaq look a bit like Darth Maul in this ESPN.com picture:

(http://espn-att.starwave.com/media/nba/2004/0714/photo/smh_shaqinblack_ft.jpg)

I love that he's claiming that he hasn't even reached his prime yet.  That's funny.  If he turns his game up a notch in upcoming years, all that will prove to most of us was that his fat ass was indeed loafing it while he played here in L.A., as we've often accused him of.
Title: Re: NBA Offseason
Post by: Nicklab on July 15, 2004, 01:06 AM
Honestly, the only things I care about this NBA offseason are these things:

-That the Nets don't have to play the Heat much

-That the Nets are able to re-sign Kenyon Martin

-That Jason Kidd's knee surgery goes well

Beyond that, I think the only other thing of interest is if some team is going to seriously pursue Kobe even while he's going to be on trial for rape.
Title: Re: NBA Offseason
Post by: Brian on July 15, 2004, 10:46 AM
Sounds like there might be a possible sign and trade in the works between the Nuggets and the Nets (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/columns/story?columnist=stein_marc&id=1840098) involving K-Mart.  This story is talking about the possibility of multiple draft picks being sent New Jersey's way in exchange for Martin, with Denver not having to actually give up any players.  Carmelo and K-Mart could be a potent combo in Denver.

Also, Kobe is supposedly to announce his decision between the Clippers and Lakers sometime this afternoon.  Wonder which way he is headed?
Title: Re: NBA Offseason
Post by: Brian on July 15, 2004, 03:20 PM
Kobe is Staying with the Lakers (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=1840336)
Title: Re: NBA Offseason
Post by: JediMAC on July 15, 2004, 03:52 PM
[size=8]Phew![/size][/b]   8)
Title: Re: NBA Offseason
Post by: JediMAC on July 15, 2004, 08:42 PM
Sounds like Derek Fisher just bailed on us.   :'(

6 years for $40 million up in Golden State, of all places...   ::)

Dammit.

Looks like the Kenyon Martin to Denver deal is now final too.  Really surprised NJ didn't put up more of a fight for him.  That's the end of their impressive run in the East now, leaving only Detroit, Indiana, and now Miami as the only realistic contenders out there...
Title: Re: NBA Offseason
Post by: Scott on July 15, 2004, 09:28 PM
Lakers are still in the top 4-5 in the West, Kobe is still better than jack squat...no Shaq means they are no longer the favorites though
Title: Re: NBA Offseason
Post by: SPIDERLEGS on July 19, 2004, 01:50 PM
I think the Spurs, Wolves, Kings, Pistons and Rockets should all be contenders.  Still a ways to go though...the Nuggets might actually be pretty dang good if they land Martin and Kobe could still somehow suprise everyone wher he ends up

You don't include the Mavericks in that list? We won 52 games last year. We lost Nash and Jamison, but picked up Devin Harris (who will be a stud replacement for Nash and will eventually be a better all around point guard) and Jerry Stackhouse. We also drafted a big Russian center who is like 7-2 and 300 lbs who can handle the ball. He's an instant upgrade for Shawn Bradley.

I think the West is the Spurs for the taking, but the Mavs will be there come playoff time. We'll advance out of the first round next year, too.
Title: Re: NBA Offseason
Post by: Scott on July 19, 2004, 01:58 PM
Nope, Mavs have gotten worse and not better...plus they had a chance to get Shaq and blew it.  Replacing Nash with a Rookie is not proven, he may be better later but their nucleus was there now and now its gonna have to reform

I gotta add the Nuggets though now, Carmelo, and Martin with Camby and Nene plus having Andre Miller and Earl Boykins, man they are gonna be good.

I'd agree that the Spurs might have a better team than the Wolves right now but that's without having Trenton Hassell for sure locked up.  If they can resign him I'd go like this for the West:

#1 Wolves
#2 Spurs
#3 Kings
#4 Nuggets
#5 Lakers
#6 Rockets
#7 Mavs
#8 Jazz
Title: Re: NBA Offseason
Post by: Jeff on July 19, 2004, 02:00 PM
I think I'd leave out Dallas because with the loss of Nash it will be tougher to compete this year with the Spurs, the vastly improved Rockets, and the up and coming Griz.  

Sure, you've got a new center rookie and a few other new guys, but they are still unproven as to how they'll fit in in the big D.

Plus, it's hard to be the elite in the league if you aren't even the best in your own 5-team division.

That's my line of thinking anyway.  Here's my top eight:

Detroit
Minnesota
San Antonio
Sacramento
Miami
Houston
Lakers
Indiana

I'd put Dallas somewhere in the 9/10/11 region, mixed in with Utah/Denver.  Utah will be better with Boozer and Denver will be better with K-Mart.

Jeff
Title: Re: NBA Offseason
Post by: SPIDERLEGS on July 19, 2004, 05:26 PM
Well, please make no mistake, I agree the Spurs are the class of the West now, I just don't think the Mavs are done yet. Don't be surprised if Dampier doesn't wind up in Dallas before the season starts.
Title: Re: NBA Offseason
Post by: Jeff on July 19, 2004, 05:32 PM
Well, if the Mavs do end up adding another piece like Erick Dampier, then I'll have to change my top eight!

Still a few months to go before the new season starts, and a lot of things could change happen to shake up my top eight between now and then ;)

Jeff
Title: Re: NBA Offseason
Post by: JediMAC on July 19, 2004, 07:49 PM
Guess who's finally returning home...

(http://images.viacomlocalnetworks.com/images_sizedimage_201183410/lg)

 8)

As for my list of top teams in the upcoming season, I'd say:

1.  San Antonio
2.  Minnesota
3.  Detroit
4.  Suckramento
5.  Lakers
6.  Indiana
7.  Dallas
8.  Houston
9.  Miami

Of course, realistically, the Lakers are still #1 though.   :-*

And I ain't buyin' into all this Nuggets are great crap.  I think they played way over their heads last year (like Memphis), and even though the addition of K-Mart should make them better, I still don't think they'll find themselves in a much better playoff position in the West, if any.  I think the Nets are gonna be hit hard by Kenyon's departure though.  With him, I'd still have them right near the top in the East, but without him, I think they'll be battling hard for that last home court spot in the first round of the playoffs.

I also think there could be a little adjustment period for both the Heat and Rockets, and despite their superstar acquisitions, I think they'll both come in around 47 - 50 wins, with the Heat having a slightly better chance then the Rockets, since they're in the East.

I was watching ESPN at lunch, and they said it looked like Dampier was gonna go to the Knicks, not that it matters much.
Title: Re: NBA Offseason
Post by: SPIDERLEGS on July 19, 2004, 08:18 PM
Mcgrady is awesome, but I still don't see the Rockets as improving so much in one year. Yao will be better, and the whole team will improve over last year, but I'm not sure they'll be any higher than 7 or 8.

They are a team to watch in the future, though. Last year was the first in which all 3 Texas teams made the playoffs, I believe.
Title: Re: NBA Offseason
Post by: Matt Carroll on July 19, 2004, 08:27 PM
And I ain't buyin' into all this Nuggets are great crap.  I think they played way over their heads last year (like Memphis), and even though the addition of K-Mart should make them better, I still don't think they'll find themselves in a much better playoff position in the West, if any.  I think the Nets are gonna be hit hard by Kenyon's departure though.  With him, I'd still have them right near the top in the East, but without him, I think they'll be battling hard for that last home court spot in the first round of the playoffs.

The Nuggets need a couple of things to happen to move much higher in the west this year:

1) Marcus Camby has to stay healthy.  All this about a deep frontcourt will be for naught if he's not playing in long stretches during the season.

2) They have to learn to win on the road. Like most young teams, they play so much better in front of the home crowd.


The addition of Vlade should really help the Lakers out. He's got some of the best court vision in the game, regardless of the position.
Title: Re: NBA Offseason
Post by: JediMAC on July 19, 2004, 08:39 PM
The Nuggets need a couple of things to happen to move much higher in the west this year...

I think another thing that doesn't thrill me about the Nugs is Andre Miller.  After watching his heartless play here in L.A. a couple years back, I'm rather wary of any team that he's at the healm of.  Of course, if he decides to revert back to his prior form with the Cavs, it would certainly help.  He's got the potential, just not real sure about the desire...

I'm also curious to see how well Kenyon and Carmelo "Nobody Loves Me" Anthony can co-exist...  Wasn't 'Melo at the 4 spot last year?  Or is he just a small forward?

Camby's always seemed kinda weak to me - both mentally and physically.  He's one of those players who can kick ass when he's motivated, but who doesn't seem to be motivated a lot of the time.  Lots of potential though, for sure.
Title: Re: NBA Offseason
Post by: Scott on July 19, 2004, 10:05 PM
I'm also a little skeptical of the Rockets more than the Nuggets.  They have no PG and no real options on the market to go after.  I think McGrady and Yao could be an awesome 1-2 punch though

I buy the Nuggets hype, they are a tough team and the Playoff series against the Wolves was all I needed to see that they could be very dangerous next year.  Especially now with Martin (I despise the nickname K-Mart)

Vlade is over the hill and washed up, no big loss for the Kings or gain for the Lakers

Now...did I hear there are rumors that blood was found on Kobe's Shirt?  Yeowch
Title: Re: NBA Offseason
Post by: JediMAC on July 20, 2004, 08:11 PM
See the new SI cover yet?   ;)

(http://i.a.cnn.net/si/2004/writers/marty_burns/07/07/free.agency.scoreboard/tx_cover_si.jpg)

 :P
Title: Re: NBA Offseason
Post by: Jeff on July 22, 2004, 03:28 PM
This ought to help the defending Champs hang at the top of the NBA next year...

'Sheed back to Pistons for 5 years, $57M (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=1844059)

Jeff
Title: Re: NBA Offseason
Post by: Scott on July 22, 2004, 03:31 PM
Word in today's paper is that Hassell might be headed to Denver, making them that much better :-\
Title: Re: NBA Offseason
Post by: JediMAC on August 3, 2004, 07:30 PM
Antoine Walker and Tony Delk to Atlanta in exchange for Jason Terry, Alan Henderson and a future first-round pick, here (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2004/basketball/nba/08/03/walker.terry.trade/index.html).

Guess that rules out the rumored move of Kidd heading back to Dallas...  Though I suppose Terry could play the 2 spot though (he's not much of a true point anyway).

P.S.  Just for Scott... (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2004/magazine/08/03/scorecard0809/index.html)   :-*
Title: Re: NBA Offseason
Post by: Scott on August 4, 2004, 10:03 PM
Wolves matched the offer for Hassell today, good move IMO

Rumors continue to point to them moving Wally too, latest was Wally and Earvin Johnson for Abdur-Rahim...another type of heartbeat kind of deals I'd do

Sounds like Kobe is off the hook almost, bastard
Title: Re: NBA Offseason
Post by: JediMAC on August 6, 2004, 03:57 PM
Surprised nobody's mentioned this yet here, but apparently Peja Stojakavic wants out (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2004/basketball/nba/08/05/bc.bkn.kings.stojakovic.ap/index.html) of Sacramento, due to his being pissed that they traded away his good buddy Vlade Divac, and because of C-Webb's comments a couple months ago after losing to the Wolves about certain players on their team lacking toughness...  Definitely an interesting development, involving possibly the best pure shooter in the game, and one of the best teams in the league.  If Peja gets his wish, and is transported elsewhere, regardless of who the Kings get in return, I think it'll definitely knock them down a few notches on the NBA ladder.  Tough to replace a shooter like that.  They're few and far between these days...

My suggestion to the Kings:  Reunite Peja with his good buddy Vlade.  PLEASE.  We'd love to have him, and would gladly give you Lamar Odom and Rick Fox in return, since we're WAY overloaded at the 3 spot.  And if Malone comes back to the Lakers, we'll toss in Brian Grant too.   :-*

Now make it happen Maloof boys!


(unfortunately, there's no way in hell would they deal Peja to one of the top rival teams in their own division, I'm sure...)
Title: Re: NBA Offseason
Post by: Brian on August 6, 2004, 04:00 PM
Well, it looks like the Lakers' Shakeup (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=1853576) continues....

Celtics Receive:

Gary Payton
Rick Fox
Future 1st Rounder
cash

Lakers Receive:

Chris Mihm
Marcus Banks
Chucky Atkins
future 2nd rounder

This one kind of came out of nowhere, at least to me, I hadn't heard any rumblings of this trade otherwise.

C- Vlade/Mihm
F- Grant/Odom/Slava/Malone?
F- Butler/George/Walton
G- Kobe/Rush
G- Banks/Atkins

Definitely a different team next season for ya Matty.  I wonder if this will affect the Mailman's decision, seeing GP shipped off as well?
Title: Re: NBA Offseason
Post by: Morgbug on August 6, 2004, 05:01 PM
Who made out worse here though?  Man, that is a weird trade.  Seems like the GM's of the former NBA elite are losing their minds.  Should Matt be teasing me on this one, or vice versa?  I can't make up my mind :-\
Title: Re: NBA Offseason
Post by: Brian on August 6, 2004, 06:15 PM
That's what I thought too Brent, just a weird trade.  Doesn't seem to make the most sense either way, but who knows.  Definitely out of left field though.
Title: Re: NBA Offseason
Post by: JediMAC on August 6, 2004, 07:32 PM
Couldn't even tell ya', Brent, since I barely know jack about those 3 clowns we're getting in return...   :P

I'm sure Payton will come back to life just a little, but Fox very well may wind up retiring before he gets there.  That's been the word on the street for the past couple months out here anyway...

It is rather odd that we decided we have no need for a decent point guard on our team, after ditching both of ours.  My guess, Kobe's basically gonna run the point, since he prefers to have the ball in his hands as much as possible anyway.   ;)

Indeed, it is a totally different team now.  All the mainstays from the Championships are now gone - Shaq, Fox, Fisher, Horry...  Deavon George is really the only one who's left now, aside from Kobe.  I highly doubt Malone's resigns with us at this point.  He wants the Championship, and we're not exactly top contenders for that anymore, in most people's eyes.  Gonna be pretty bizarre watching this group on the floor next year.  Really bizarre actually...

But my sleeper pick for Most Improved player next season is gonna be Luke Walton.  That guy's awesome.  So it's gonna be the Kobe and Luke show...   8)
Title: Re: NBA Offseason
Post by: Jeff on August 10, 2004, 09:47 AM
Whew.

Wolves keep Hudson (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=1856003)

T-Wolves now have 11 players under contract and are ready to roll.  In years past, I'd have been upset with a "Status Quo" off-season, but this year keeping the same group of guys seems to be the way to go, especially with pending implosions for the Kings and LAkers.

:)

Jeff
Title: Re: NBA Offseason
Post by: Brian on August 10, 2004, 10:20 AM
I was glad to see that finally go through too, as well as the offer match with Hassell.  Maybe overpaid a bit for Hassell, but he is a good player (and I think a good guy), and is an important part of the team.  Glad to see both of them stay.  11 guys under contract is a good thing too, I agree Jeff...I'm usually upset with the "status quo", but this seems like a good team to keep together.  Glad to see Spree and Hoiberg stay on board as well.
Title: Re: NBA Offseason
Post by: Holographic Elvis on August 10, 2004, 06:57 PM
I'd really like to know if the Lakers have any direction right now or are just making moves just to make them.  If they are doing all of this to clear up cap space, they better make some kick ass signings in the future.  I just hope they make the playoffs.
Title: Re: NBA Offseason
Post by: Brian on August 18, 2004, 01:46 PM
It sounds as if the nearly off-season long Erick Dampier saga is just about over.  Apparently he is on his way to Dallas, but the deal has to wait until mid-late September (20th I believe?) because other players involved have also recently been traded.  Here's the rumored deal:

Golden State Receives:

Christian Laettner
Edjuardo Najera
2 Future First Round Picks
Cash

Dallas Receives:

Erick Dampier
Evan Eschmeyer
Dan Dickau

Not sure Dampier is all he is cracked up to be, or worth all of the hype, but is definitely an upgrade at Center for Dallas.  He was good for about 12 and 12 last season, and if he could duplicate that I'm sure Dallas would be overjoyed.  Dickau should give them some insurance at the point guard spot as well, and didn't Eschmeyer play there once already :)?  Golden State looks to be looking to the future, with expiring contracts (Laettner), first round picks, and cash...as well as getting something for Dampier while they still can.

Also...saw this report (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=1860572) last week regarding the Payton to Boston trade.  Sounds like he is none too pleased with the Lakers organization, and has apparently (rumored) demanded a trade to Minny, Clippers, or Rockets...or he won't show up to camp and will "quit".  The drama continues.....
Title: Re: NBA Offseason
Post by: SPIDERLEGS on August 18, 2004, 03:48 PM
We'll take Dampier! :D
Title: Re: NBA Offseason
Post by: Holographic Elvis on August 18, 2004, 04:05 PM
Dampier certainly helps Dallas.  There were some rumors out here the Lakers were interested, but I never heard anything more than the sports talk radio rumors.  I'm not sure the Lakers are even going to try and get a center from somewhere. 
Title: Re: NBA Offseason
Post by: Brian on August 23, 2004, 02:39 PM
This article (http://msn.foxsports.com/story/2686752) at FoxSports.com says that Shaq reportedly wants the Heat to trade for Grizzlies point guard Jason Williams.  The trade could possibly involve Eddie Jones and either Damon Jones/Keyon Dooling in exchange for Williams and possibly James Posey.  Who knows if it will happen...but its NBA News I guess anyways :P
Title: Re: NBA Offseason
Post by: JediMAC on August 23, 2004, 03:30 PM
That's interesting, 'cause as rumor has it, Shaq was heavily involved with originally getting Eddie Jones booted out of L.A.  No idea why...

Deja vous?
Title: Re: NBA Offseason
Post by: Brian on August 25, 2004, 10:39 AM
Looks as if the Mavs/Warriors Trade (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=1867027) is all taken care of now.  It breaks down like this:

Dallas Receives:

Erick Dampier (7 year, 73M contract)
Dan Dickau
Evan Eschmeyer
draft rights to Steve Logan

Golden State Receives:

Christian Laettner
Eduardo Najera
two future first-round draft picks
draft rights to guards Luis Flores and Mladen Sekularac

Good pickup for the Mavs either way, and they unload Laettner as well.  Dickau isn't a bad 2nd/3rd PG to have on the roster either.  Golden State...well, they got something for Dampier this way, although nothing overly impressive to me.  Najera is a hustler, and plays hard, and I believe Laettner is in his last year, so will help to provide cap space.
Title: Re: NBA Offseason
Post by: JediMAC on September 1, 2004, 06:30 PM
So, it sounds like the rape charges against Kobe are going to be dropped in a few hours!   8)


In other Laker related news, we're trying to land Jon Berry right now, to probably handle some of the point guard play (though that's not really his position)...
Title: Re: NBA Offseason
Post by: Jeff on September 1, 2004, 06:36 PM
So, it sounds like the rape charges against Kobe are going to be dropped in a few hours!   8)

(http://www.jedidefender.com/news/images/7-04/mad.gif)

I hope he's happy with all he's gone through to get his "street cred"... ::)

Jeff
Title: Re: NBA Offseason
Post by: JediMAC on September 1, 2004, 06:43 PM
I'm sure he is.  I hear he consulted Puckett a while back for some pointers on the whole process... 
Title: Re: NBA Offseason
Post by: JediMAC on September 1, 2004, 08:15 PM
Dismissed! (http://www.cnn.com/2004/LAW/09/01/bryant.trial/index.html)

Civil suit's still on though...   ::)
Title: Re: NBA Offseason
Post by: Morgbug on September 1, 2004, 08:34 PM
Dismissed! (http://www.cnn.com/2004/LAW/09/01/bryant.trial/index.html)

Civil suit's still on though...   ::)

So that means he can only be as guilty as O.J. Simpson?

 :-*
Title: Re: NBA Offseason
Post by: JediMAC on September 1, 2004, 08:42 PM
Oh, that's real ******' funny...   >:(
Title: Re: NBA Offseason
Post by: Scott on September 1, 2004, 08:52 PM
Whew ::)  That was a waste of tax payers money...he's still a punk ass loser and this further cements it

Puckett is too, damn bastard
Title: Re: NBA Offseason
Post by: Morgbug on September 1, 2004, 09:15 PM
Oh, that's real ******' funny...   >:(

Whaaaaaaat?  OJ was innocent.  The court said so. 

I think we figured out from the get go that Kobe was screwed either way.  Damned if he did and damned if he didn't.  The joys of being rich and famous. 

I'll make it up to you.  He's just an adulterer.  Not as low as a rapist by any stretch of the imagination, but not someone I would consider to be much of a role model.  Better? :-*
Title: Re: NBA Offseason
Post by: Brian on September 2, 2004, 09:10 AM
I was watching ESPN this morning with the coverage of this case, and something they found odd (and so did I), was his statement after the case had been dropped.  Here's his statement, they made a point (on ESPN) to point out that after a year of basically calling this woman a liar, he now basically admits that she didn't see the "meeting" as consentual.  Just odd for him to come out and say this now it seems....
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"First, I want to apologize directly to the young woman involved in this incident. I want to apologize to her for my behavior that night and for the consequences she has suffered in the past year. Although this year has been incredibly difficult for me personally, I can only imagine the pain she has had to endure. I also want to apologize to her parents and family members, and to my family and friends and supporters, and to the citizens of Eagle, Colo.

"I also want to make it clear that I do not question the motives of this young woman. No money has been paid to this woman. She has agreed that this statement will not be used against me in the civil case. Although I truly believe this encounter between us was consensual, I recognize now that she did not and does not view this incident the same way I did. After months of reviewing discovery, listening to her attorney, and even her testimony in person, I now understand how she feels that she did not consent to this encounter.

"I issue this statement today fully aware that while one part of this case ends today, another remains. I understand that the civil case against me will go forward. That part of this case will be decided by and between the parties directly involved in the incident and will no longer be a financial or emotional drain on the citizens of the state of Colorado."
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Title: Re: NBA Offseason
Post by: Scott on September 2, 2004, 09:26 AM
So he basically admits that he raped her?  What a ******* loser
Title: Re: NBA Offseason
Post by: JediMAC on September 2, 2004, 01:26 PM
He basically "had to" say that stuff.  It was part of their "deal" for her to drop the charges and bring an end to the case.  But yeah, it sounded pretty lame.

They'll most likely reach an out of court settlement on the civil case soon too, before that goes to court.  Kobe shouldn't pay her ****, but I think he will just so he doesn't have to deal with this whole nightmare again...

Sounds like it boiled down to the fact that the girl refused to testify in the case.  Hmmm...  Gotta wonder why...   ::)

What a total waste of a ton of people's time and money (and possibly a Lakers championship) she just caused over the past year.   >:(
Title: Re: NBA Offseason
Post by: Morgbug on September 2, 2004, 02:36 PM
He basically "had to" say that stuff.  It was part of their "deal" for her to drop the charges and bring an end to the case.  But yeah, it sounded pretty lame.

They'll most likely reach an out of court settlement on the civil case soon too, before that goes to court.  Kobe shouldn't pay her ****, but I think he will just so he doesn't have to deal with this whole nightmare again...

Sounds like it boiled down to the fact that the girl refused to testify in the case.  Hmmm...  Gotta wonder why...   ::)

What a total waste of a ton of people's time and money (and possibly a Lakers championship) she just caused over the past year.   >:(

Nope, going to steadfastly disagree with you here Matt.  It is all too common in rape cases that the "victim" does not want to testify.  That is in cases that are only criminal in nature, with a true NOT RICH slime ball who is only facing a jail term with no financial renumeration for the "victim".  It is a perpetual reality that court cases turn the rape victim into the "accused".  She wore the wrong kind of clothes, she smiled the wrong way, her history sexually is in question. 

His is not.  Hell, he's a professional athlete.  He's only slept with what, maybe 1000 women?  He only committed adultery, right?  No big deal, common as dirt.  Oh sure, it makes him a slime ball, but not a rapist.  Well, that's a question we'll never have the answer to, in spite of that statement.  He "had" to make that?  Nuh-uh, not buying it.  She dropped the charges, he didn't have to make a statement including that, unless you know something specific about the deal that wasn't in the media. 

Here's a thought to contemplate:  God forbid, but what if Patty was raped.  I guaran-damn-tee you the defense would assault her morals in the trial, put her on trial for all intents and purposes, all the while never assailing the defendant because it is against his constitutional rights.  You know Patty was raped, she knows it, but she'll still go through a tremendously horrible experience, all in hopes of making her drop the case. 

I don't know what happened in that case, but I am tremendously surprised by your attitude.   :-\
Title: Re: NBA Offseason
Post by: chuckles on September 2, 2004, 02:46 PM
I might have to agree with Brent here. She probably dropped the case for the simple fact of no longer wanting to deal with all the crap that came with it, since I can only imagine the kind of crap the defense attorneys were making her go thru.

It's probably 1000 times worse than what my wife is having to deal with in her case from when she hurt her back at work 18 months ago. Their insurance company is doing every single thing they can to make it hell for her, in hopes she'll simply give up and drop her case before it comes time for a settlement. And this is for a simple disability claim, can you imagine what their doing to someone in a rape case?
Title: Re: NBA Offseason
Post by: JediMAC on September 2, 2004, 04:59 PM
He basically "had to" say that stuff.  It was part of their "deal" for her to drop the charges and bring an end to the case.

Actually, this is what all the local news media outlets are reporting here.  That's all...

But yeah, I don't think he did it, and not because he's one of our local sports stars.  But perhaps you're right on the fact that the victims often don't want to testify.  But I think this chick's got about a million other problems and "issues" beyond that.  3 suicide attempts this year?  Wants to become an actress?   ::)  I don't think she's altogether there.
Title: Re: NBA Offseason
Post by: Morgbug on September 2, 2004, 08:29 PM
Matt, while I don't necessarily disagree with you about her, I'm not sure she's been treated entirely fairly.  Being a nutbar and the biggest skank in the world doesn't entitle anyone to rape her.  Maybe my mind was poisoned by all the propaganda in my year's at University that was put out by the Womyn's centre ::), but no still means no up to any point where the woman changes her mind. 

And I'm not entirely convinced that suicide attempts are entirely out of the realm of possibility for a rape victim.  I'll certainly agree that it makes her less than entirely mentally stable, there might just be a reason for that. 

I'm still left wondering who leaked out her personal information from the court.  Prosecution perhaps?  Naw, courts don't work that way and the media is above reproach, right?  Never, ever mess up a quote or misrepresent to get better headlines.  Certainly there's never any hometown media bias.   ::)

BTW, isn't LA filled with aspiring actresses?

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What a total waste of a ton of people's time and money (and possibly a Lakers championship) she just caused over the past year.

A waste of money yes.  Time, perhaps. 

A championship?  Not hardly.  He managed to play an entire season, make it through the playoffs, the Lakers winning quite handily until the finals and then they gassed it in 5 to the Pistons?  With all due respect, pull your head out of your ass.  This no more affected the championship that my having a hangnail at the same time.  After all, he was innocent, what did he have to worry about?  Not like someone did something to him against his will, like non-consensual sex.  After all, he admitted that and we're believing what we see in the media, right? 

And with that, yes, I will drop it.
Title: Re: NBA Offseason
Post by: JediMAC on September 3, 2004, 05:59 PM
Well, I'm obviously by no means suggesting that any of those issues in and of themselves equate to "not being able to be raped"...  I'm certainly not that narrowminded or niave.  I'm just saying that everything about her lends itself to her being a person of very questionable character in the first place.  I agree that she hasn't been fairly treated throughout the trial though, but I consider that a separate issue for the most part.

Not to mention she's supposedly had sex with a whole ton of guys, none of which she seemed to have any problems with whatsoever (and all of whom were substantially less famous and rich than Kobe was).  Granted, NO still means no, and I'm sure she's not necessarily open to every guy's advances, and someone who may be considered extremely permiscuous (a ****/ho), can definitely still technically be raped.

I just think in this particular instance that it's a case of a person being targeted for his celebrity.  Yeah, Kobe cheated, and that's BAD.  But I don't think he raped her.  But despite everything I think about the girl, ANYTHING is certainly possible.  Doubtful, but possible.

Same concept applies however for this somehow affecting the Lakers in the Finals.  Doubtful, but anything's possible.

And with that, yes, I will drop it too.   :-*
Title: Re: NBA Offseason
Post by: Morgbug on September 5, 2004, 10:00 PM


And with that, yes, I will drop it too.   :-*

Does this mean we're on speaking terms again, or do you still hate me? :-X
Title: Re: NBA Offseason
Post by: JediMAC on September 5, 2004, 10:13 PM
Huh?!   ???

Don't be a dumbass, you dumbass!  You're one of my best pals on the net, ya' big dodo!  Just 'cause you're a dumbass when it comes to all things Kobe, that doesn't mean I hate you!   :P

****...   ::)

You know I love you Bug!   :-*


P.S.  You still haven't gotten my package yet?!?   :-\
Title: Re: NBA Offseason
Post by: Morgbug on September 5, 2004, 10:46 PM
Nope, no package yet.  Hung up in customs I presume.  Nothing unusual about that at all.  I'll let ya know when it arrives. 

Kobe sucks :-*
Title: Re: NBA Offseason
Post by: JediMAC on September 8, 2004, 08:06 PM
From CNNSI.com:

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The Timberwolves are making a serious effort to sign Karl Malone.
 -- St. Paul Pioneer Press

 :o

 :P
Title: Re: NBA Offseason
Post by: Jeff on September 8, 2004, 10:22 PM
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The Timberwolves are making a serious effort to sign Karl Malone.
 -- St. Paul Pioneer Press

 ::)

Ugh.  There was a lot of chatter today on the news about ditching WallyWorld in Favor of the Mailman.  Can't say I'm too thrilled about that one... maybe we could sign Malone and trade Wally for "The Glove" GPayton too?
Title: Re: NBA Offseason
Post by: Scott on September 8, 2004, 10:26 PM
I read the big thing was because San Antonio was also looking at the old fossil.  He's got about an ounce of gas left in the tank...he might be worth a look if he's willing to sign for the minimum
Title: Re: NBA Offseason
Post by: Morgbug on September 8, 2004, 10:37 PM
I read the big thing was because San Antonio was also looking at the old fossil.  He's got about an ounce of gas left in the tank...he might be worth a look if he's willing to sign for the minimum

Spot duty only.  Not worth much more.  Could be a decent bench guy with limited minutes, but not sure if he'd take the role. 
Title: Re: NBA Offseason
Post by: Brian on September 9, 2004, 12:00 PM
CNNSI.com had an interesting article discussing who will be the new "villain" of the NBA, discussing the Lakers.  You can check it out HERE (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2004/writers/john_hollinger/09/07/new.villain/index.html)  I found it funny (and nice) to see that someone else noticed that Kobe tries to mimick his speech patterns and mannerisms after Michael Jordan.  My friend and I always wondered if it was just us.
Title: Re: NBA Offseason
Post by: JediMAC on September 11, 2004, 05:13 AM
Good article there Brian.  Helps me to better understand the constant whining and moaning from those Minnesota pissants 'round here year after year...   ::)

So the local news channels out here were reporting tonight that at the very last minute, Karl Malone just re-enrolled his daughters into the LA school(s) they were in before...

Sounds like it may very well be L.A. for him after all...  But who the hell knows?!
Title: Re: NBA Offseason
Post by: JediMAC on September 16, 2004, 09:41 PM
Failed deal from CNNSI.com:

There was also a reported three-team deal that would have had Kidd traded to Minnesota in a trade involving the Nets and Knicks. New York would have gotten Aaron Williams and Wally Szczerbiak while the Nets would have gotten Kurt Thomas, Sam Cassell and Ervin Johnson.


 :P

Title: Re: NBA Offseason
Post by: Scott on September 23, 2004, 04:06 PM
Heard another rumor: Wally and Kandi for Vince Carter :drool:
Title: Re: NBA Offseason
Post by: Brian on September 23, 2004, 04:10 PM
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Heard another rumor: Wally and Kandi for Vince Carter :drool:

Ooo...that would be nice.  I know some people aren't real high on Vinsanity anymore, but the guy can play some hoop.  Plus, Wally and Kandi for him would be a good deal I think.  Probably won't happen, but interesting anyways.

Also, I read on CNNSi.com that there are rumblings that Jordan may be considering (another) comeback with the Miami Heat.  Sources include Kiki Vandewedge, the Miami paper, and Shaquille O'Neal (who claims Jordan has left several messages on his machine).  You can read it over at CNNSI.com, under that "Truth and Rumors" area.  Now, I'm as big of a Jordan fan as the next guy...and really, really enjoyed watching him play...but the constant retiring/unretiring thing is getting a little silly now.  I also heard somewhere that if Jordan did come back, that Karl Malone would sign on too.  I can just see it now, Dwayne Wade waiting at the other end of the court for the old men and Shaq to catch up to him :P  It would definitely be interesting though, and I do think Jordan could contribute, as long as he didn't have to be the star of the team.  If he could play 20-25 minutes a night, and go for 12/3/3 type numbers, he could fit in with them well.  Anyways, food for thought....
Title: Re: NBA Offseason
Post by: Scott on September 23, 2004, 04:19 PM
Shaq is looking damn good these days, can't wait to see him dunk a few types on The Raper on Christmas
Title: Re: NBA Offseason
Post by: Jeff on September 23, 2004, 05:14 PM
Shaq is looking damn good these days, can't wait to see him dunk a few types on The Raper on Christmas

A good pal of mine has coined the nickname 8-rape in refrence to Kobe.

I like it and will be using that nickname while missing the NHL discussing the NBA with you fellas in the fall.
Title: Re: NBA Offseason
Post by: Scott on October 5, 2004, 12:11 AM
Word is Sammy C may hold out for a new 2 year extension that would be his final 2 years.   >:(

Nice way to start the ******* season douche bag, you're hurt, how about you show up healthy and then talk extension >:( >:(

I think San Antonio is now the favorites for the title :-[
Title: Re: NBA Offseason
Post by: Hes No Good to Me Dead on October 5, 2004, 09:46 AM
Are you guys going to have a JD Fantasy League at Yahoo or somewhere else this year? If so, count me in. I've had teams for the last 5 or six years now, but it'd be cool to play with guys I know. I see Yahoo  starting to accept sign-ups for 2004-5 now.
Title: Re: NBA Offseason
Post by: Scott on October 5, 2004, 09:51 AM
Yes...we need a Commish too!

http://www.jedidefender.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=5453.0
Title: Re: NBA Offseason
Post by: Scott on October 5, 2004, 03:26 PM
Scottie Pippen has retired

Good player...yes...
Great player...meh...
Top 50 All Time Player...no way in hell

He was good, a great #2 but once Jordan was gone and once he left the Bulls, he was a good #1 guy (certainly not an elite #1) or a decent #2 guy later in his career...that's it.  Plus what did the Bulls do when Jordan retired the first time?

Title: Re: NBA Offseason
Post by: Brian on October 5, 2004, 03:54 PM
I used to be a big Scottie Pippen fan in my younger years.  I followed the Bulls exclusively from about 1988 until the "breakup", and I didn't want to have Jordan be my absolute "favorite" player back then, just because he was everyone else's...so I went with Scottie.  Lost some respect for him after Jordan left the first time, and he started whining, sitting out games, showing a temper, etc.  Since then, he has seemed to shape up again and had a nice career.

Probably a borderline good/great player.  Not one of the all-time greats in my opinion though.  That "Top 50" list they had during his glory years has likely changed considerably since then, with many of the current players pushing players like Pip off the list (again, IMO).  Overall, a nice career for Scottie...a Hall of Famer most likely with a solid career and six rings.  But, it was time for him to hang it up I think.
Title: Re: NBA Offseason
Post by: Brian on October 5, 2004, 03:58 PM
Since Scott initially brought it up....just for history and argument's sake, here is the list of the "50 Greatest Players"...I would say this list has changed since then.

Kareem Abdul-Jabbar

Nate Archibald

Paul Arizin

Charles Barkley

Rick Barry

Elgin Baylor

Dave Bing

Larry Bird

Wilt Chamberlain

Bob Cousy

Dave Cowens

Billy Cunningham

Dave DeBusschere

Clyde Drexler

Julius Erving

Patrick Ewing

Walt Frazier

George Gervin

Hal Greer

John Havlicek

Elvin Hayes

Magic Johnson

Sam Jones

Michael Jordan

Jerry Lucas

Karl Malone

Moses Malone

Pete Maravich

Kevin McHale

George Mikan

Earl Monroe

Hakeem Olajuwon

Shaquille O'Neal

Robert Parish

Bob Pettit

Scottie Pippen

Willis Reed

Oscar Robertson

David Robinson

Bill Russell

Dolph Schayes

Bill Sharman

John Stockton

Isiah Thomas

Nate Thurmond

Wes Unseld

Bill Walton

Jerry West

Lenny Wilkens

James Worthy

And...here's the linky (http://www.nba.com/history/players/50greatest.html)
Title: Re: NBA Offseason
Post by: Brian on October 5, 2004, 03:59 PM
Not being biased, but I would think that KG would show up on that list now...as well as others who have developed or come into the league since then. :)
Title: Re: NBA Offseason
Post by: Scott on October 5, 2004, 04:16 PM
I was going to say Duncan, KG and Kobe all should be there

Ewing is another marginal one to me, sure he was good, but he never won the big one and wasn't even the best center of his era with Olajuwan, Robinson and Shaq all being better.
Title: Re: NBA Offseason
Post by: JediMAC on October 5, 2004, 10:08 PM
Uh-oh...  Turmoil in T-Wolves land? (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=1895756)   :-*


As for the 50 greatest, yeah, I'd agree with Scott's 3 additions there, but I'd also have to add one more, that was originally left off the list (as well as the original Dream Team), which has always pissed me off...  Dominique Wilkins.  The most unstoppable one on one force outside of Jordan during his heyday.  No respect for the poor guy, and I've never been able to figure out why.  He was dominating, and amazing to watch.

As for who I'd remove from the list to make room for these four...  Hmm...  I'd have to think about that.  I'll get back to ya'!
Title: Re: NBA Offseason
Post by: JediMAC on October 5, 2004, 10:11 PM
Word is Sammy C may hold out for a new 2 year extension that would be his final 2 years.   >:(

Oops.  I see you've already covered this topic.  Sorry, I'm rather lagging today...   :P

As for Pippen, good riddance.  I've always hated his pouting and coat-tailing ass.  Did make an excellent compadre for Jordan though, I'll admit.
Title: Re: NBA Offseason
Post by: Scott on October 5, 2004, 10:18 PM
Word is Sammy C may hold out for a new 2 year extension that would be his final 2 years.   >:(

Oops.  I see you've already covered this topic.  Sorry, I'm rather lagging today...   :P

As for Pippen, good riddance.  I've always hated his pouting and coat-tailing ass.  Did make an excellent compadre for Jordan though, I'll admit.
Word on the radio is that Cassell is in town, probably going to head to camp soon.   Whew
Title: Re: NBA Offseason
Post by: Brian on October 6, 2004, 09:39 AM
It looks like the Wolves are giving another (final) shot to perennial head case Eddie Griffin (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=1895827).  If he has finally gotten past his problems, and can focus on the game, he would be an excellent addition.  He has talent, just hasn't ever been able to put it all together.  Hopefully this is the season that it happens.
Title: Re: NBA Offseason
Post by: Scott on October 12, 2004, 12:08 PM
Two Out Of Three People Agree...Kobe is a Punk (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=1900031)

My respect for him just went to -100, and that's pretty low on the respect scale...
Title: Re: NBA Offseason
Post by: Morgbug on October 12, 2004, 01:25 PM
Two Out Of Three People Agree...Kobe is a Punk (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=1900031)

My respect for him just went to -100, and that's pretty low on the respect scale...

Yeah, well, try being in third spot to pick in the draft, he might be the best player available to me at that point.  Then what?
Title: Re: NBA Offseason
Post by: Scott on October 12, 2004, 10:25 PM
Two Out Of Three People Agree...Kobe is a Punk (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=1900031)

My respect for him just went to -100, and that's pretty low on the respect scale...

Yeah, well, try being in third spot to pick in the draft, he might be the best player available to me at that point.  Then what?
I guess you take him :P
Title: Re: NBA Offseason
Post by: Morgbug on October 12, 2004, 10:31 PM
Yeah, I can hardly wait until Matt figures it out ::)  No such luck like in football where your guy is mysteriously around for the #3 pick (Tomlinson in football, didn't happen with Duncan). 

I think I've got a better start on the thuggery than Jeff does, may steal his idea :-*  May try to run with crimes against women than general crime though.  Wonder if The Chief will come out of retirement?
Title: Re: NBA Offseason
Post by: Brian on October 13, 2004, 09:05 AM
CNNSI.com has an article up with a more detailed account from Phil Jackson's latest book, mainly focusing on the Kobe incidents.  Granted, this is just Phil's side of the story....but this really does show what type of person Kobe Bryant might really be.  You can check out the excerpts HERE (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2004/basketball/nba/10/12/jackson/index.html)
Title: Re: NBA Preseason
Post by: JediMAC on October 22, 2004, 12:36 PM
Uh-oh.  Might be some more trouble-a-brewin' for the Pups...

Sprewell wants extension by season opener (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2004/basketball/nba/10/22/bc.bkn.wolves.sprewell.ap/index.html)


As for Phil Jackson, he's starting to make himself look like a jackass to an extent.  I know he's making the rounds EVERYWHERE (especially out here in L.A.) to promote his new book, but geez - give it a rest with the Kobe bashing dude.  Yeah, we get it.  You thought he was uncoachable, sabotaged your season, is a prick, etc., etc., etc...   ::)
Title: Re: NBA Offseason
Post by: aka DaBigKahuna on October 22, 2004, 04:40 PM
WOW :o!

I don't believe everything I hear, but even if you take things with a grain of saly, Kobe look like a...

Born and raised in L.A. I have never been a huge Kobe supporter because he IMO lacked the class of a superstar.  ALA Walter Payton and so many sports icons.
 
I know most sports superstars in the NOW Generation do not, I agree.  Shaq IMO is a once in a lifetime player.  Even at the twilgiht of his career he radically changes the game.  He creates free shots and demands double and triple teams and coache's whole game plans need to be built around him.

Kobe is going to have to earn that money now!  They will be gunning for him. I will always follow the Lakers but am excited about my new team as well.

Go SUNS!


DBK

CNNSI.com has an article up with a more detailed account from Phil Jackson's latest book, mainly focusing on the Kobe incidents.  Granted, this is just Phil's side of the story....but this really does show what type of person Kobe Bryant might really be.  You can check out the excerpts HERE (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2004/basketball/nba/10/12/jackson/index.html)
Title: Re: NBA Pre-season
Post by: Brian on November 2, 2004, 09:11 AM
Right now, it isn't looking real good in the Spree and Wolves (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=1913858) situation.  Although, from the Wolves' perspective, I can see why you wouldn't want to spend a ton of money on Sprewell.  He's a nice player, but obviously on the downside of his career, and overpaid for what he is anyways.  From what I've read, the Wolves were looking at giving him an extension for 9-10 million/year, which is still overpaying, but which Sprewell found "insulting".  He makes the team much better, and unless they can get another quality player, trading him would hurt the team's chances in the playoffs, but I don't care for players with this type of attitude about pay...where 10 million dollars a year is an insult.  Ridiculous.

That said, the regular season starts tonight!  A few games on the schedule, with a fuller slate tomorrow night.  Let the battles begin :).
Title: Re: NBA Pre-season
Post by: Scott on November 2, 2004, 09:39 AM
I guess he's playing the good soldier the last two days and said he'd play out his contract

My absolute new favorite quote

"I have to feed my family"  Latrell Sprewell ($14.5 million contract this year)