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4” Epic Hero Series Figure Line
« on: November 9, 2023, 10:00 AM »
I wasn’t sure where to ask this so I’m doing it here, maybe we need a new thread or forum section…

What’s the deal with these low articulation 4” Epic Heroes figures Jayson posted on IG this morning?

Are they part of the regular 3.75” line and represent a return to some level of 5-POA offerings in non-TVC packaging?  I’m trying to figure out if they’re something I’m collecting and at a glance they look like they would be.

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Re: 4” Epic Hero Series Figure Line
« Reply #1 on: November 9, 2023, 10:09 AM »
I wasn’t sure where to ask this so I’m doing it here, maybe we need a new thread or forum section…

What’s the deal with these low articulation 4” Epic Heroes figures Jayson posted on IG this morning?

Are they part of the regular 3.75” line and represent a return to some level of 5-POA offerings in non-TVC packaging?  I’m trying to figure out if they’re something I’m collecting and at a glance they look like they would be.



I don't have any more details than Jayson shared, but it seems like they are a Star Wars attempt at what they have been doing with the Marvel line (see the 4" Epic Hero Series X-Men '97 figures as an example).

If they are like the Marvel/X-Men Epic Hero stuff, they will be slightly out of scale compared to all the existing 3.75" stuff.

[edit - updated pic]
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Re: 4” Epic Hero Series Figure Line
« Reply #2 on: November 9, 2023, 11:01 AM »
Ah okay, interesting.  If they're a different scale, I won't collect them.  I guess we'll wait for more details.

Feels silly for Hasbro to not just keep them to scale with everything else if the shift is so small, but they'd be doing me a favor if they don't line up in that regard.

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Re: 4” Epic Hero Series Figure Line
« Reply #3 on: November 9, 2023, 11:30 AM »
TVC proves it's popularity by backing all three TVC Haslabs made.

TVC is way behind Black Series in new characters and product in general.

Hasbro's solution:  create a new 4 inch 5 POA line that does not fit in scale with TVC.   ::)
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Re: 4” Epic Hero Series Figure Line
« Reply #4 on: November 9, 2023, 11:42 AM »
TVC proves it's popularity by backing all three TVC Haslabs made.

TVC is way behind Black Series in new characters and product in general.

Hasbro's solution:  create a new 4 inch 5 POA line that does not fit in scale with TVC.   ::)

I really don't get this at all.  Why not 3.75" 5POA?  I've said it a million times that I'd be glad to buy all new 5POA figures if that is what it would take to hit profit margin targets.  TVC is great and I hope they keep it going, but the slow trickle of new figures is leaving huge gaps that I would be glad to have filled by new 3.75" 5POA figures.

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Re: 4” Epic Hero Series Figure Line
« Reply #5 on: November 9, 2023, 12:04 PM »
Star Wars needs an introductory line for the 1:18 scale.  How many 8 year olds are clamoring for TVC figures right now?  Or their parents who are not existing collectors? 

I’ve seen Hasbro’s Marvel Epic Hero Series figures.  They’re not up to the standards of the old Marvel Universe line, but they’re not garbage.  They’re an introductory series that can offer vehicles that won’t break the bank.  In fact , I already have some of the Marvel Epic Heroes figures from GotG volume 3.  I need to compare them for height with some current TVC figures.  I think some people might be getting unnecessarily hung up on the 4” figure thing.

This line makes sense in advance of the release of the “Skeleton Crew” series.  That’s supposed to feature a number of kids in the cast.  A line like this seems like it could support that Disney+ series in real time and reach that broader audience.

Plus, this line could be a way to get more 1:18 scale vehicles back on the shelves of the big box retailers.  Lots of collectors recognize what junk the electronic 12” figures are, but they’re keeping that lower shelf space that used to be occupied by vehicles.  A vehicle line that consists of ships that are all priced above $100 is not friendly to the market.  TVC vehicles have been amazing, but they get released at a very slow rate.  A $30 to $40 assortment of vehicles is much more accessible to the broader market and has the potential to generate volume sales.  I don’t think for an instant that this will replace the Vintage Collection, but it can definitely help build out worlds at a more affordable price point.

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Re: 4” Epic Hero Series Figure Line
« Reply #6 on: November 9, 2023, 01:42 PM »
Star Wars needs an introductory line for the 1:18 scale.  How many 8 year olds are clamoring for TVC figures right now?  Or their parents who are not existing collectors? 

I’ve seen Hasbro’s Marvel Epic Hero Series figures.  They’re not up to the standards of the old Marvel Universe line, but they’re not garbage.  They’re an introductory series that can offer vehicles that won’t break the bank.  In fact , I already have some of the Marvel Epic Heroes figures from GotG volume 3.  I need to compare them for height with some current TVC figures.  I think some people might be getting unnecessarily hung up on the 4” figure thing.

This line makes sense in advance of the release of the “Skeleton Crew” series.  That’s supposed to feature a number of kids in the cast.  A line like this seems like it could support that Disney+ series in real time and reach that broader audience.

Plus, this line could be a way to get more 1:18 scale vehicles back on the shelves of the big box retailers.  Lots of collectors recognize what junk the electronic 12” figures are, but they’re keeping that lower shelf space that used to be occupied by vehicles.  A vehicle line that consists of ships that are all priced above $100 is not friendly to the market.  TVC vehicles have been amazing, but they get released at a very slow rate.  A $30 to $40 assortment of vehicles is much more accessible to the broader market and has the potential to generate volume sales.  I don’t think for an instant that this will replace the Vintage Collection, but it can definitely help build out worlds at a more affordable price point.

I totally agree there needs to be a more value oriented line.  TVC is way too expensive for kids/moms.

The part I don't understand is the move to 4".  Why can't they stay with 3.75" for the value line (e.g. 5POA).   We've got 45 years of 3.75" history.  If you keep it at 3.75" you'll get long time collectors and soccer moms.  If you go to 4" you'll still have your soccer moms but you're going to lose a lot of your collectors.

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Re: 4” Epic Hero Series Figure Line
« Reply #7 on: November 9, 2023, 02:30 PM »
They had it right back when Solo was coming out with Force Link 2.0.

There were super articulated figures and then they filled out other characters with more limited articulation.  I can only assume that wasn't making them the money they wanted it to or they'd still be doing it.  But like others are saying here, making these into a separate line by adding like 1/16th of the size to them and changing scale seems like a huge miss to me. 

I'd love a 5 POA line if it let us get more obscure figures made and the sculpts were decent.  TVC is great, but I don't need 30 points of articulation, I want variety.

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Re: 4” Epic Hero Series Figure Line
« Reply #8 on: November 9, 2023, 02:56 PM »
Jayson has a new post saying the 4” scale is not a new scale, that what we call 3.75” and this 4” are both the same 1:18.

I generally don’t doubt him.  I guess I’ll wait and see if they feel like they fit later and go from there.

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Re: 4” Epic Hero Series Figure Line
« Reply #9 on: November 9, 2023, 04:01 PM »
Even within the 3.75" lines of the past there have been clunkers that were way too short or way too tall.  Might as well wait to see these in comparison shots before getting too upset about scale.

Potential scale issues aside, so far I am not seeing anything that I need to buy.  Just more main characters that I already have...
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Re: 4” Epic Hero Series Figure Line
« Reply #10 on: November 9, 2023, 04:19 PM »
Even within the 3.75" lines of the past there have been clunkers that were way too short or way too tall.  Might as well wait to see these in comparison shots before getting too upset about scale.

Potential scale issues aside, so far I am not seeing anything that I need to buy.  Just more main characters that I already have...

Agreed. 

Even if they can create a "Greatest Hits" line that collectors mostly ignore, it could create some momentum at retail and maybe they'll make vehicles, playsets, etc. that are new.  It could lead them to then start making some new figures we're interested in (Andor, Ahsoka).  It might also pull some of the repaint/repack/kitbash stuff out of TVC and allow that line to get more new and creative stuff in it.

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Re: 4” Epic Hero Series Figure Line
« Reply #11 on: November 9, 2023, 05:01 PM »
I like how they did Luke, in his black ROTJ duds, with a backpack, and no Yoda.  Doesn't make a lot of sense...

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Re: 4” Epic Hero Series Figure Line
« Reply #12 on: November 9, 2023, 05:35 PM »
I like how they did Luke, in his black ROTJ duds, with a backpack, and no Yoda.  Doesn't make a lot of sense...

I wonder if it is meant to be from TBOBF and the back pack is for the Grogu?

These look like stinkers to me. I don't love 5 POA, but if the line had good sculpts, paint apps, & character selection, I would have been interested. As is they look like an easy pass for now.
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Re: 4” Epic Hero Series Figure Line
« Reply #13 on: November 9, 2023, 05:37 PM »
The backpack symbolizes how Grogu left him for another man(do).

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Re: 4” Epic Hero Series Figure Line
« Reply #14 on: November 10, 2023, 09:22 AM »
I wonder if it is meant to be from TBOBF and the back pack is for the Grogu?

Yeah, since all these figures are found in the Mandoverse I'd say that is supposed to be BOBF Luke. 

I'm interested to see the backs of the cards - do they have any figure/item cross-sells, info about the show they are from (aka ads for the Disney+ shows), or just a whole bunch of multi-language text and a UPC.
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