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The Prequel Trilogy / Hands up! or down....
« on: May 21, 2005, 05:39 PM »
What's the reason Vader's hands were lowered in the operating-scene in the final cut of ROTS and TV-ads?

Did the posture look awkward?

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The Prequel Trilogy / Re: to the point
« on: May 21, 2005, 05:37 PM »
Not to sound like a dick here but I highly doubt you remember Star Wars at 2 years old.  Most childhood memories do not form til the age of 4 unless they are traumatic.  I hear people all the time that they saw Star Wars when they were 1,2 and even 3.. Sorry I dont buy it.  Begging your Father to take you?  You must of been a prodigy who had great skills in the English language at that time.  I think some people just wish they were part of the original generation that saw SW on the big screen for bragging rights. 

I was 4 in '77, and I distinctly remember seeing parts of ANH on TV in a movie-program, namely the Stormtroopers falling over the place when the first torpedo explodes, and Luke taking of his helmet.

So, being very young, you can still remember some things very clearly without them being traumatic.

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The Prequel Trilogy / "Obi-Wan once thought like you do."
« on: May 21, 2005, 12:28 PM »
Vader says in ROTJ that Obi-Wan once thought as Luke, about him going away from the Dark Side with Luke.

I didn't really get that from ROTS. I didn't get the idea that Obi-Wan wanted to get Anakin back to the light side, but merely wanted to stop him, no matter how.

Obi-Wan didn't think there was any good in Anakin left, somthing he says so in ROTJ:"He's more machine than man now, twisted and evil." Obi-Wan implicitly says Luke is crazy thinking Vader can be turned back from the Dark Side.

If it were true, we would've gotten scenes where Obi-Wan would be pleading with Anakin to stop, to go back with him. But it seems Anakin, when Obi-Wan meets him on Mustafar, is already way too far gone over to the Dark Side for Obi-Wan to even attempt at bringing Anakin back.

Even Yoda sees Anakin as being purely evil in ROTS.

Add to that, Obi-Wan thinks the Sith can only be stopped by Vader getting killed. Luke says in ROTJ:"I can't kill my own father." to which Obi-Wan says:"Then the Emperor already has won."

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The Prequel Trilogy / Re: "I Must Obey My Master"
« on: May 21, 2005, 11:43 AM »
If you've seen "Der Untergang" or "Downfall" as it's called in English, you can get some kind of idea what Vader's state of mind COULD be.

In "Der Untergang" you get to see several Germans, both politicians, military and civilians, who will take their own lives instead of giving up the fight,

As ROTS goes, Anakin pledges his allegiance with the Sith, and he commits some dark deeds, kills the younglings, defenseless seperatists and his pregnant wife.

That's a stigma he is supposed to live with for the rest of his life, it means, there is no way back, there is no possible means to return as he will not be welcome.

Once he realizes that, and that is something missing in ROTS, he embraces his new fate with new vigor and puts every effort into fullfilling his new, dark destiny.

And maybe, maybe, he does see that what he did turned out to be better than what the Jedi were doing, he DID end the war, and brought peace and order to the galaxy, as he wanted.

He did fail to save his wife.

Chances are, he shut the door on that part of his life. As he says in ROTJ :"That name <Anakin Skywalker> no longer has any meaning for me."

He indirectly says, he is no longer the man he was before he turned to the Dark Side.

As to why he must obey his master, it might be that he has no other choice but not that there is a clear and present danger coming directly from the Emperor. As it seems, Vader gets treated well by the Emperor, even though the DS-1 was destroyed, we see Vader in command of a large fleet of ISD's and has his own Super Star Destroyer. ANH already shows he had his own personalised Tie.

Also, TESB shows he can choke all he wants, and still the Emperor does not interfere. Off course, Vader is the Emperor's tool, but I feel that the 2 are connected not by fear, but by fate and commitment, and their ideal as Sith.

The more interesting bit is :"You don't know the power of the Dark Side, I must obey my master." what exactly is the power of the Dark Side?

Yoda says it quicker, easier, more seductive. Well seductive yes, ROTS shows that, Anakin clearly is seduced by the promise of being able to save Padmé from dying, but given Palpatine's elaborate scheme, is it quicker, is it easier? Doesn't look like it.

I think that Vader, in ROTJ, is fundamentilly surprised that Luke still sees good in him, despite all he has done. It is after that talk, that Vader is for the first time in the OT seen to apparently reconsidering things. He walks over to the side of the gantry, and as his breathing implies, he is pondering grave things. Might be thinking back, might be thinking again :"What have I done?"

But until that point, he had commited himself to the Dark Side, but I dón't think he really has a sword of Damocles hanging over him, should he not do the Emperor's wishes.

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The Prequel Trilogy / Re: Post your ROTS reviews and thoughts!
« on: May 20, 2005, 08:34 AM »
Anakin would've been the true evil Darth Vader that he is supposed to be, had we seen him relish in his acts, show him enjoying and wallowing in his evil acts, let him use the dark side with full force, let me see how twisted and evil he became.

But not... try and pass poor Anakin of as some tragic hero, show him embracing the Dark Side completely.

I'm not sure I mentioned it earlier, but the pacing really is off on quite a lot of the later parts of the movie. Once Anakin becomes a Sith, things seem rushed.

I don't get it, first we get 2 movies that seem drawn out and just used to fill 2 episodes with non-sensical subplots and side-stories, and in this 3rd one, everything is rushed.

Darth Vader is the scourge of the Jedi, not some crying brat who goes to pieces...

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1 - TESB
2 - ANH
3 - ROTJ
4 - AOTC
5 - TPM
6 - ROTS

As movie on it's own, it could rank higher, but given it's place in the saga, it is bitterly disappointing.

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The Prequel Trilogy / Re: Post your ROTS reviews and thoughts!
« on: May 19, 2005, 04:20 PM »
Well, here goes...

Ever since the trailer I thought this was going to be a very good movie, I read spoilers that made me feel convinced it was going to be good, the soundtrack sounded great in many numbers.

The opening battle blew me away, it was impressive, it was awesome, it was breathtaking.

The rescue, the Dooku-cameo (oh, and don't say it was more than that!) that all looked good, the first steps of Anakin to Un-Jedi dealings, Palpatine playing him, well done.

And then... it all falls flat on it's face.

Palpatine becomes some demented cackling clown. Making weird faces, the long drawn out talks with Anakin, who in those talks seems utterly dim-witted to not understand who he is talking to.

The first Padmé Anakin scene was good, subsequent ones sank deeper and deeper away.

This is also the first time I think Ewan McGregor delivered a bad job in acting, or he'd been given a bad job to act. Man... if he really thought of Anakin as a brother to love, how can he just sit there, almost smirking, gloating in the council while Anakin suffers humiliation?

As said before, Wookiees... what wookiees? What was the hoopla with Wookiees? What was all that fuss about, why was a whole webdoc devoted to Wookiees who we don't even see long enough worth mentioning?

The lightsabre battles, yeah well... I'd take them a lot slower and with more bantering vocally, thank you very much.

The final sabre fight was pittiful, I was expecting something epic, something groundbreaking, something deeply impressive, but what we got was just 2 guys battling it out and ending it in the cheesiest way possible, the end was plain stupid.

And why did they even cast someone to play Tarkin? Did you see him? No? Guess you blinked at that moment.

I still don't see Anakin inside Darth Vader's armour. Darth Vader is not a person who sheds tears, Vader is not someone who goes to pieces and trashes a room having a fit.

Oh, and thanks Ben Burt, you've successfully massacred the soundtrack with your overwhelming genius in sound-editing, well done. NOT!

I hadn't even missed Mon Mothma until reading about her here again, what the hell happened to her role?

I get the feeling that ROTS was a rush-job, despite all the time taken. Well, seems most has been put, once more, in making fancy SFX.

AT-TE's, AT-RT's, AT-PT, Turbotanks, all thrown in with the idea "we had that in the first trilogy, just tuck 'm in and we get that old school feeling again." They didn't work. There were plenty of easter eggs back to the OT:

- The walking sound of the AT-PT is exactly the same as that of the Scoutwalker
- The howling siren on Mustafar, also heard in AOTC, is the same as in TESB when the 2 ISD's collide
- The hatch Yoda drops down from is exactly the same as the one Lando takes Luke down from in TESB-SE.
- Several lines:"Lock S-Foils in attack position" or "There's too many of them", also Obi-Wan's "Hello there" and Palpatine's "Good, good" were all quite explicit links to the OT.

I really had great expectations of this one, reading several reviews from charity screening I thought I was going to see the second best SW-movie.

When the end credits rolled, I couldn't help feeling cheated, I was in no way moved by anything that happened, the killing of the younglings.

Oh, and if Ewan's idea of playing a man who is breaking down consists of cupping his chin... well... that didn't quite cut it, did it?

They promised us a movie to answer all answers and tie up all the loose ends.

I think that we are left with more loose ends than we had before.

A very, very disappointing closure to a very, very dissappointing prequel trilogy to one of, if not THE, greatest trilogy of movies ever.

What a waste of energy, time, resources...

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The Prequel Trilogy / Re: RotS TV Commercials at the OS!
« on: May 15, 2005, 03:55 PM »
We've been getting some new ROTS TV-adds overhere. One was particularly interesting, with a sort of up-tempo Imp. March mixed underneath.

Sounded very good, looked great as well.

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Star Wars Universe / Re: Star Wars Movie Quotes
« on: May 2, 2005, 02:55 PM »
Oh crap yeah...

TPM, Obi-Wan, waiting for the meeting at the start.
AOTC, Obi-Wan, dangling on the assassin-droid.

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Star Wars Universe / Re: Star Wars Movie Quotes
« on: May 2, 2005, 12:04 PM »
Luke, ANH, approaching the DS.
Leia, TESB, meeting the Mynocks
3PO, ROTJ, before Jabba presenting the gift

Han, ANH, after Luke is taken by Dianoga
Han, ROTJ, while being prepared by Ewoks

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The Prequel Trilogy / Re: ROTS Picture Thread
« on: May 1, 2005, 11:44 AM »


WRONG! I had 5 fingers behind my back!

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Site Feedback, Suggestions, and Help / Re: Checklists!
« on: May 1, 2005, 05:24 AM »
That's okeedokee!

Great to see such refreshing feedback compared to...well... ;)

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Star Wars Universe / Re: Star Wars Movie Quotes
« on: May 1, 2005, 04:38 AM »
Luke, ANH.
Leia, TESB.
Threepio, ROTJ.

Han has a very bad feeling about this in ANH and ROTJ, don't know if that counts... ;D

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Star Wars Universe / Re: Trivia EP2 aotc
« on: April 30, 2005, 02:08 PM »
Uh.... no...

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Yeah, and what about everyone outside the US? There's no chance for us to get hold of those for any reasonable price, as is the case these days with most of the SW-stuff.

Alas, that seems to never change back. Why was it possible in the 80's and not now? :-[

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