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Title: MLB 2005
Post by: Jeff on March 10, 2005, 10:40 AM
Well, with the Grapefruit and Cactus leagues well underway, I guess it's time to abandon the old thread and start up a new one for 2005!

I've been watching a few games on ESPN and listening to the Twins on the AM radio when I get a chance, really starting to get into Baseball again.  I've got my tickets for the Dome Opener, should be another great year for the Twins - Santana and BRadke at the top of the rotation and a re-stocked infield.  Ready to go for that 4th-in-a-row AL Central title!

Aaaah, Baseball.  :)

I no longer miss the NHL.   :P

Jeff
Title: Re: MLB Regular Season - 2005
Post by: Scott on March 10, 2005, 10:43 AM
Bought my tickets for the SF Giants game in June...BALCO!
Title: Re: MLB Regular Season - 2005
Post by: Darth Broem on March 15, 2005, 11:26 AM
Geez,  I see that Wood and Prior could not even last a full week in ST.  These 2 must have the worst offseason conditioning programs.  Seriously. They pitch just a little bit ST and "Ouch!  I'm hurt!"  Kind of starting to wonder if these two are just wusses. 
Title: Re: MLB Regular Season - 2005
Post by: Mikey D on March 15, 2005, 11:33 AM
Opening day can't get here soon enough.  The down time between the Super Bowl and Opening Day sucks.

The wife got tickets to a game at Fenway in late April.  Going to be a great feeling to see the defending World Series Champions (it feels weird writing that) play.

Title: Re: MLB Regular Season - 2005
Post by: Scott on March 15, 2005, 11:47 AM
The Cubs about threw Wood's arm off his first 2 years in the Majors, they deserve a lot of that blame.  Idiots

Not sure how they've handled Prior but it goes both ways with Pitchers and Teams.  Last year the Twins would pull Santana after 90-110 pitched even if he had shutouts going in the 7th and 8th innings.
Title: Re: MLB Regular Season - 2005
Post by: Dressel Rebel on March 15, 2005, 11:02 PM
Kerry Wood will be just fine.  I'm not sure about Prior.
Title: Re: MLB Regular Season - 2005
Post by: Darth Broem on March 16, 2005, 08:53 AM
Well supposedly both are going to make it back in time for the first week of the season.  If you believe the Cubs organization PR that is.  As a Cub fan the hope of the season basically rests upon how well those 2 peform.  So, I'm kind of touchy about it.  I'm kind of not happy about the offseason anyway.  Anyway, blah, blah, blah. 

Since we are seriously thinking about moving to the Phoenix area this year (if we find decent jobs) I'm going to have to get into the Diamondbacks this season.  They seemed to have gotten better players in the offseason.  Hope they won't be drowning in the basement at least.
Title: Re: MLB Regular Season - 2005
Post by: John C on March 23, 2005, 01:32 PM
"My name is Barry Bonds, and I'm a big whiny baby! I blame everybody else for my problems!"  Go ahead, Barry, retire.  Don't let the door hit your fat, steroid injected butt on the way out.  The game will be better off without you. 
Title: Re: MLB Regular Season - 2005
Post by: Darth Broem on March 25, 2005, 09:19 AM
He'll be back to make sure he gets past that white boy Babe Ruth. 
Title: Re: MLB Regular Season - 2005
Post by: Dressel Rebel on March 26, 2005, 02:40 PM
The Giants are D-E-A-D without Bonds.  He is the player who is most valuable to his team in all of baseball, period.
Title: Re: MLB Regular Season - 2005
Post by: JediMAC on March 31, 2005, 05:40 AM
So the Angels let their all-star stud third baseman Troy Glaus go during the offseason, 'cause they had this hot (and very cheap) rookie stud ready to take his place - Dallas McPherson.

So what happened today?  McPherson got sent down to the minors.

And watch Glaus lead the NL in dingers this year too.

Dammit.

Dodger bats have been looking like absolute **** during the pre-season too.  Not sure if any of our guys even hit more than a couple bucks the last few weeks.  Fortunately, our pitching should still be pretty solid, as usual, so we'll see how far that can take us without the sticks...   :-\
Title: Re: MLB Regular Season - 2005
Post by: Jeff on March 31, 2005, 09:59 AM
OK,

I've watched a few Spring games and I think that we are close enough to the start of the season for me to climb out on the proverbial limb...

Jeff's Picks for 2005:


AL East - Boston
AL Central - Minnesota  8)
AL West - California (I refuse to call them LA or even Anaheim  :P)
Wild Card - New York

I think the Red Sox win last year will go a long way to boosting their confidence against the pinstripes allowing them to take their first AL East title in a while, but the Yanks will still skirt into the playoffs with the WC.  My Twins will take the Central easy after a pre-All Star Break scare (like they do every year), but this time it'll be the Tigers - not Chicago or Cleveland who hang around.  Seattle could give California a run for their money, but the Angel's pitching will put them over the top.


NL East - Atlanta
NL Central - St. Louis
NL West - San Diego
Wild Card - Florida

Atlanta holds off the Fish, thanks to Smoltz renewed place in the rotation.  Prior and Wood break down allowing the Red Birds to get past the lovable losers.  And upstarts San Diego use their youth to slip past the aging Bond-less Giants and the self-destructive, imploding Dodgers.


ALCS - Boston vs. Minnesota
NLCS - Atlanta vs. St. Louis

World Series - Minnesota over Atlanta (in 6 games)

Yeah, I know it's a total Homer pick, but I gotta show my true colros...  ;D

Jeff
Title: Re: MLB Regular Season - 2005
Post by: Scott on March 31, 2005, 10:20 AM
Scott's Picks for 2005:

AL East - New York
AL Central - Minnesota 
AL West - LA ::)
Wild Card - Boston

NL East - Atlanta
NL Central - Houston
NL West - San Francisco
Wild Card - Saint Louis

ALCS - New York vs. Minnesota
NLCS - Atlanta vs. Houston

World Series - New York over Houston

I like the Twins this year but for some reason I'm more worried about the White Sox and Indians than I normally have been.  THe Central will be a lot tougher than it has been in the past.

Also, the NL Central continues to be amazing, there are a legitimate 4 contenders in there which says something.  I'm picking Houston in the hopes Berkman and Pettite come back to form some time

I'm also banking on Bonds coming back (hopefully by June so I can see him play the Twinkees@ the Dome)
Title: Re: MLB Regular Season - 2005
Post by: Holographic Elvis on March 31, 2005, 05:13 PM
My preseason picks:

National League
West - Padres
Central - Cardinals
East - Braves
Wild Card - Marlins

American League
West - Angels
Central - Indians
East - Yankees
Wild Card - Red Sox

Title: Re: MLB Regular Season - 2005
Post by: Jeff on March 31, 2005, 05:20 PM
My preseason picks:
Central - Indians

Hey!  No picking the Indians allowed in this thread...  :P

I'll cut you some slack though because if it weren't for that, your picks would look a lot like mine.   ;)

Jeff
Title: Re: MLB Regular Season - 2005
Post by: Scott on March 31, 2005, 05:29 PM
I think The Tribe have a chance, their pitching though is suspect.  I do think its going to be a lot closer than it has been the last three years between them, the Twins and the ChiSox
Title: Re: MLB Regular Season - 2005
Post by: John C on March 31, 2005, 08:49 PM
I'm not happy with the final cuts made by the Twins.  Letting Resto go and demoting Tiffee instead of dumping Lecroy, Rivas, Castro and Corky seems like a mistake.  Gardy wasted 4 spots on catchers.  If Mauer can't do it, make him a 3B or OF and go out and get a solid C instead of hanging onto Corky and LeCroy.  Their bench is not going to be very deep.  Hopefully the starters stay healthy or things will get ugly.
Title: Re: MLB Regular Season - 2005
Post by: Mikey D on April 1, 2005, 02:54 PM
Mikey D's predictions:

AL East: Red Sox
AL Central: Minnesota
AL West: Anaheim
WC: New York

NL East: Atlanta
NL Central: St. Louis
NL West: Los Angeles
WC: Houston

ALCS: Boston over New York
NLCS: Atlanta over St. Louis

WS: Red Sox over Atlanta (what can I say, I'm a homer ;))
Title: Re: MLB Regular Season - 2005
Post by: Darth Kenobi on April 1, 2005, 03:39 PM
Here are my perdicitions for the AL.
West: The Anaheim Angels
East: New York
Central: Minnestoa
Title: Re: MLB Regular Season - 2005
Post by: Morgbug on April 1, 2005, 04:38 PM
Sorry, dumb question, but what day does the season start?  I probably ought to set my lineup for fantasy.
Title: Re: MLB Regular Season - 2005
Post by: Mikey D on April 1, 2005, 04:42 PM
Sorry, dumb question, but what day does the season start?  I probably ought to set my lineup for fantasy.

Sunday night, Sox versus Yankees, ESPN
Title: Re: MLB Regular Season - 2005
Post by: Morgbug on April 1, 2005, 05:48 PM
Thanks Mikey! :)
Title: Re: MLB Regular Season - 2005
Post by: Dressel Rebel on April 1, 2005, 09:11 PM
Mikey D's predictions:

AL East: Red Sox
AL Central: Minnesota
AL West: Anaheim
WC: New York

NL East: Atlanta
NL Central: St. Louis
NL West: Los Angeles
WC: Houston

ALCS: Boston over New York
NLCS: Atlanta over St. Louis

WS: Red Sox over Atlanta (what can I say, I'm a homer ;))

And Dressel's:

AL East: Yankees
AL Central: Twins
AL West: Angels
AL WC: Red Sox (And I have to add a stipulation here...if Schilling is hurt, it's the Rangers)

NL East: Marlins
NL Central: Cardinals
NL West: Padres
NL  WC: Braves

AL Champs: Yankees
NL Champs: Marlins

World Series Champs: Yankees
Title: Re: MLB Regular Season - 2005
Post by: Holographic Elvis on April 2, 2005, 07:52 PM
My preseason picks:
Central - Indians

Hey!  No picking the Indians allowed in this thread...  :P

I'll cut you some slack though because if it weren't for that, your picks would look a lot like mine.   ;)

Jeff

Sorry Jeff.  I just think the Twins "magic" is gonna run out.  They've lost some more key people, just like Oakland did last season and their run ended as well.  I just really like what the Tribe has going right now.  I think they could end up being the new Twins. 
Title: Re: MLB Regular Season - 2005
Post by: Jeff on April 2, 2005, 11:01 PM
Sorry Jeff.  I just think the Twins "magic" is gonna run out.  They've lost some more key people, just like Oakland did last season and their run ended as well.  I just really like what the Tribe has going right now.  I think they could end up being the new Twins. 

Yeah, the scary part is I can see it too... the Indians are a bigger threat this year than they have been in the past 2-3 years.

Better to not believe it and pretend it can't happen since it's only the first month of the season.  I just can't start bad mouthing my boys so early in the year, ya know?   ;)

Go Twins!

Jeff
Title: Re: MLB Regular Season - 2005
Post by: Scott on April 2, 2005, 11:05 PM
Like I said, I think their pitching is their weakness.  The Twins have no depth so they better hope they stay healthy :-\
Title: Re: MLB Regular Season - 2005
Post by: Holographic Elvis on April 3, 2005, 07:39 PM
And just as I say I think the Twins run in the Central is finished, the "experts" at ESPN.com are picking the Twins to win it all!
Title: Re: MLB Regular Season - 2005
Post by: Dressel Rebel on April 3, 2005, 11:54 PM
And just as I say I think the Twins run in the Central is finished, the "experts" at ESPN.com are picking the Twins to win it all!

That was funny when Kruk picked the Tigers and was going on about their attributes while the written graphic said he was going with the Twins.


Yanks win, and the Red Sox are in for an 81-81 season with weak pitching, worse if Schilling is out for a prolonged period.
Title: Re: MLB Regular Season - 2005
Post by: JediMAC on April 4, 2005, 04:59 PM
Nice outting by the Unit last night.

I'm still thoroughly perplexed as to how/why there's preseason games (Dodgers/Angels) going on the same day as regular season games.  Very bizarre...
Title: Re: MLB Regular Season - 2005
Post by: Holographic Elvis on April 5, 2005, 03:52 AM
Glad to see the Yanks putting a hurt on Boston (hate the Sox.)

Some good games today.  The Mets bullpen, as predicted, is going to be their weakness.  Wonder what ol' Pedro thought about their performance, lol.
Title: Re: MLB Regular Season - 2005
Post by: Jedi Idej on April 5, 2005, 08:28 PM

I'm still thoroughly perplexed as to how/why there's preseason games (Dodgers/Angels) going on the same day as regular season games.  Very bizarre...

I hate that ****. This is at least the 2nd year in a row they've done it. Start the games on the weekend or weekday... I don't care; just end all exhibition play before the start of the games that count.
Title: Re: MLB Regular Season - 2005
Post by: JediMAC on April 8, 2005, 02:40 PM
Well, one series down, and my Dodgers and Angels are both sitting at 2-1.  Not too bad, I guess.  I'll take that in every series this year.  Even better that the Dodgers did it to the hated Giants too.

You guys see Barry 'Roids' Bonds get out on the field on opening day, grab the mic, and babble incessantly to the fans about "I'll be back!!!"  What happened to his comments from last month, where he said the media had "won", and that he probably wouldn't be back this year?  I enjoyed those sentiments from him much more.  Hope he sticks to 'em, instead of this big amazing comeback he's blabbering about now.  ::)
Title: Re: MLB Regular Season - 2005
Post by: Holographic Elvis on April 8, 2005, 07:19 PM
Man, disappointed in the performance of my starting pitchers thus far as it pertains to fantasy baseball.
Title: Re: MLB Regular Season - 2005
Post by: JediMAC on April 13, 2005, 09:39 PM
Dodgers and Angels both continue to chug along pretty well.  It's obviously early, but the Dodgers have the best record in the NL, and the Angels have the second best record in the AL.  Not bad at all!  Especially since the Dodgers only have 7 returning players from their division champion team last year.

On a related note, I saw Pete Rose once again today at lunch, at the same restaurant across the street from my office that I saw him at last month.  Hanging out all by himself, which was kind of strange (and sad)...  :-\
Title: Re: MLB Regular Season - 2005
Post by: Holographic Elvis on April 13, 2005, 11:35 PM
I'd tell you to ask for his auto Matt, but he'd probably make you buy his lunch for it.
Title: Re: MLB Regular Season - 2005
Post by: Darth Broem on April 14, 2005, 09:21 AM
Prior did look sharp in his debut yesterday.  No not the man himself but his pitching.  He had a few batters buckle their knees a few times.  That is a wonderful site for this Cub fan. 

Unfortunately Wood was not as good.  Actually he was only bad the first inning really. 
Title: Re: MLB Regular Season - 2005
Post by: John C on April 14, 2005, 09:32 AM
I was working at Value Vision a few years ago and Pete stopped by to sell some memorabilia.  I didn't get a chance to talk to him because I didn't work that day, but my co-workers said he wasn't too much of a jerk.  Of course, they probably were told not to say anything to him unless spoken to.  One guy did get a picture with Pete and didn't have to pay for it. 
Kerry Wood did look like crap yesterday.  I was able to watch that game and he was brutal in the first inning.  It's early in the season, though.  Anything can happen. 
Glad to hear the Twins will not lose Silva to the DL for long.  He's arguably their second best starter behind Santana.  Radke, Lohse and Mays are far too inconsistent.
Terry Tiffee was an excellent call up to replace Morneau while he heals.  All Tiffee does is drive in runs.  The Twins need more hitters like that with hackers like Hunter and Jones taking up space.
Title: Re: MLB Regular Season - 2005
Post by: JediKnight87 on April 16, 2005, 05:08 AM
I like the Dodgers in the fact that they're doing pretty well when they were projected to be 4th in the division. I think LA paid too much for JD Drew... he hasn't really hit that well. Hee Sop Choi is ok as long as he knows when the ball is coming his way. Jeff Kent is an amazing second baseman. He's hitting HRs like nothing.  :o
Title: Re: MLB Regular Season - 2005
Post by: Rob on April 16, 2005, 04:56 PM
Prior did look sharp in his debut yesterday.  No not the man himself but his pitching.  He had a few batters buckle their knees a few times.  That is a wonderful site for this Cub fan. 


A wonderful sight for my fantasty team too!
Title: Re: MLB Regular Season - 2005
Post by: JediKnight87 on April 20, 2005, 03:08 AM
Dodgers are off to one crazy start! They came back to win today at Mil 8-6. Go Blue  8)
Title: Re: MLB Regular Season - 2005
Post by: Darth Broem on April 25, 2005, 01:00 PM
I can't believe the White Sox are doing that great.  15-4 now?  Wow!  I knew they had improved the club but that's insane.
Title: Re: MLB Regular Season - 2005
Post by: Scott on April 26, 2005, 09:35 PM
How long until Cubs Bandwagon migrates to White Sox bandwagon?

ARod is having a nice night at the plate to night,

4 for 4 with 3 Dingers and 10 RBI :o :o :o
Title: Re: MLB Regular Season - 2005
Post by: Darth Broem on April 27, 2005, 09:39 AM
I tell you what Scott it's getting easier and easier for me not to like the Cubs.  Each day they either have a key player injured or some stupid behavior from one of the players turns me off. 

Last night it was Zambrano purposely hitting a batter after he gave up a  homer to the batter before whom he almost plunked as well. 

Then we get Baker and Z after the game claiming it was not intentional.  B.S. 

I never ever thought I would say it but it's getting tedious being a Cubs fan.  I can deal with losing but not the loser antics and B.S. 
Title: Re: MLB Regular Season - 2005
Post by: Mikey D on April 27, 2005, 02:42 PM
Sox are D-O-N-E, done.  Wells out at least 4 weeks, Schilling just went on the 15 DL today, Clement is pitching like ****, the bullpen can't hold a lead of 5 runs, Millar hasn't hit a homerun yet, our $40 million shortshop is batting .150 with runners in scoring position and Bellhorn doesn't take the bat off his shoulder and is on track to shatter the record he set last year for K's while seeing less at bats.  I might have missed a few things, but you get the idea.
Title: Re: MLB Regular Season - 2005
Post by: Holographic Elvis on April 27, 2005, 05:22 PM
Well, I am now linked (in a 6 degrees of separation kind of way) to the steroid scandal.  My former college teammate and current Mariners minor leaguer Jamal Strong has been suspended for steroids.
Title: Re: MLB Regular Season - 2005
Post by: Dressel Rebel on April 27, 2005, 10:15 PM
I got a nice present coming for Chuckles.
Title: Re: MLB Regular Season - 2005
Post by: Scott on April 28, 2005, 11:51 PM
I got a nice present coming for Chuckles.
Is it your 3rd Place JD Fantasy Basketball Ribbon?
Title: Re: MLB Regular Season - 2005
Post by: Dressel Rebel on May 1, 2005, 09:33 AM
I got a nice present coming for Chuckles.
Is it your 3rd Place JD Fantasy Basketball Ribbon?

No, it's my new number one spot in this year's baseball league, the same place you'll find me on October 1st, holding my second consecutive title.

Though I was considering giving him your enormous collection of losing ribbons, including no titles, plus your fourth place ribbon from this year's baseball league.  But shipping for a collection of non-titles of your size would cost a fortune, and I have far too many clone troopers to buy to pay that hefty sum.
Title: Re: MLB Regular Season - 2005
Post by: Scott on May 1, 2005, 02:30 PM
We'll see, there is still 5 months of baseball to play, my pitching staff turns it around here and you'll be the one collecting another participation ribbon, of which, I have a nice collection :P
Title: Re: MLB Regular Season - 2005
Post by: Jeff on May 2, 2005, 11:52 AM
Went to the ballgame yesterday afternoon and saw one hell of a pitcher's duel between Santana and Colon.

Both Colon and Santana threw 2-hitters, too bad for Johan his 2 hits were HRs.  Both Colon ahd Santana looked nasty out there.  It was a great game to watch, just too bad that my Twins were on the losing side of the effort...  :'(
Title: Re: MLB Regular Season - 2005
Post by: Scott on May 2, 2005, 12:39 PM
Just reading that Twins reliever Juan Rincon got nailed for Juice ::)
Title: Re: MLB Regular Season - 2005
Post by: John C on May 2, 2005, 01:31 PM
It's too bad Gardy feels the need to play the B-Squad every few games.  I wish he would play his best players as much as possible and use the bench guys late in games or to give guys a day off once in a while.  Starters should play at least 150 games a year if healthy IMO. 
Title: Re: MLB Regular Season - 2005
Post by: JediMAC on May 2, 2005, 01:45 PM
Dodgers are off to one crazy start! They came back to win today at Mil 8-6. Go Blue  8)

You spoke too soon...  :-\  Slowed down quite a bit right after that, but fortunately we just pulled a nice sweep off of the Rockies to right the ship again, and get back to the best record in the NL.  Doing way better than I expected.  Now if I could just figure out who most of these guys are, I'd be in much better shape.  BAD year to remove the names from their jerseys...  ::)

Angels are still playing decent, and aside from the A-Rod homer barrage last week, managed to take 2 of 3 from the Yanks.  Then, they roll into MN and finally put a stop to Santana's 17 game winning streak (with only two hits, both dingers).  Nice.  8)

Still can't believe what the hell's going on with the White Sox and Orioles, but I guess sports are just wierd that way sometimes.  I expect that both of those teams will eventually level off and come crashing back down to earth eventually.
Title: Re: MLB Regular Season - 2005
Post by: Scott on May 2, 2005, 01:46 PM
You forgot to mention that the Angles LOST two of three to the Twins ::)
Title: Re: MLB Regular Season - 2005
Post by: JediMAC on May 2, 2005, 01:52 PM
I just knew that you were going to bring that up...  >:(

I like to focus on the positives though, which was us winning the final game, and whipping up on your staff ace.  So shuddupaya face!  :-*
Title: Re: MLB Regular Season - 2005
Post by: Jeff on May 2, 2005, 02:15 PM
I just knew that you were going to bring that up...  >:(

I like to focus on the positives though, which was us winning the final game, and whipping up on your staff ace.  So shuddupaya face!  :-*

I wouldn't call two solo homers "whipping up" on Santana.   ::)  Other than those two dingers, he had the Angel batters on their heels most of the game.

What I would call it is a total lack of run support thanks to a great game pitched by Colon... he looked really good out there on the mound.  I think like 8 of the first 9 hitters managed only piddly grounders to SS/2B and it looked like it was gonna get ugly for my squad.

The first 8 innings of the game went like 2 hours it was so fast, if not for the Twins "rally" in the 8th that caused 2 pitching changes, it would have been over in like 2hr, 15min.

Jeff
Title: Re: MLB Regular Season - 2005
Post by: JediMAC on May 2, 2005, 02:31 PM
Hey, you be quiet too!  We whipped that guy good, with BOTH of our hits...  :-*
Title: Re: MLB Regular Season - 2005
Post by: Jeff on May 2, 2005, 02:35 PM
Hey, you be quiet too!  We whipped that guy good, with BOTH of our hits...  :-*

Hey!  I was actually there, so I can quip all I want...  :-*

Went to the ballgame yesterday afternoon and saw one hell of a pitcher's duel between Santana and Colon.

Both Colon and Santana threw 2-hitters, too bad for Johan his 2 hits were HRs.  Both Colon ahd Santana looked nasty out there. It was a great game to watch, just too bad that my Twins were on the losing side of the effort...  :'(

Anyway, it sucked.  That Vlad HR was just barely fair (it bounced off the Foul Pole for cryin out loud).  It was a great game to watch despite the fact that the Twinks lost... but as Scotty pointed out, we still took 2 out of 3, so be happy with your victory over our JV-squad we had out there on Sunday.

Jeff
Title: Re: MLB Regular Season - 2005
Post by: Scott on May 2, 2005, 02:45 PM
The decision to keep sitting Mauer is also perplexing, let him go more than a day or two, there is no reason this team needs 4 catchers on the roster, none at all :-X
Title: Re: MLB Regular Season - 2005
Post by: Jeff on May 6, 2005, 02:56 PM
Bonds -

First, will he make it back this year?

I kinda hope he does only because I want to see him come to town when the Twins play the Giants, but I don't know if he will be the same player with his bum knee.

Second, will he have to move to the AL to be a DH to end his career?

Can you picture Bonds in Pinstripes?  You know if they Giants decide to move him, the Yankers would be all over it.  I'd love to see where the bidding war would end up...

Jeff
Title: Re: MLB Regular Season - 2005
Post by: Dressel Rebel on May 9, 2005, 10:45 AM
Bonds -

First, will he make it back this year?

I kinda hope he does only because I want to see him come to town when the Twins play the Giants, but I don't know if he will be the same player with his bum knee.

Second, will he have to move to the AL to be a DH to end his career?

Can you picture Bonds in Pinstripes?  You know if they Giants decide to move him, the Yankers would be all over it.  I'd love to see where the bidding war would end up...

Jeff

As a die hard Yankee fan, I don't want Bonds.  Too much baggage.  Too much money.  And I do not want to see our best 2 prospects go flying out of here for him.  We have enough offense, our starting pitching needs to be consistent and we will run away with a championship.
Title: Re: MLB Regular Season - 2005
Post by: Scott on May 9, 2005, 01:08 PM
I think the Yankees lack of developing or trading away young talent is going to bite them in the ass for a while here.  The shoestring superstar pitching staff is not holding up too well, are there any prospects in the system that could take the place of any of the grandpas?
Title: Re: MLB Regular Season - 2005
Post by: Darth Broem on May 9, 2005, 04:09 PM
You Yankees can have Kerry Wood for a closer.  Please.  LOL!
Title: Re: MLB Regular Season - 2005
Post by: Holographic Elvis on May 9, 2005, 10:04 PM
Personally I think we've seen the last of Bonds.  With any luck he'll end up in prison for the tax issues and we won't have to worry about him breaking Hank's record. 
Title: Re: MLB Regular Season - 2005
Post by: Mikey D on May 10, 2005, 07:25 AM
Personally I think we've seen the last of Bonds.  With any luck he'll end up in prison for the tax issues and we won't have to worry about him breaking Hank's record. 

While I wouldn't feel bad if he's in jail, you just know he wants to beat Ruth's total.  I can see him getting to number 2 and calling it quits (especially if his current situation doesn't improve)
Title: Re: MLB Regular Season - 2005
Post by: Dressel Rebel on May 10, 2005, 09:55 PM
Yanks starting to tear up the American League with a 4 game winning streak!!
Title: Re: MLB Regular Season - 2005
Post by: Mikey D on May 11, 2005, 09:15 AM
Yanks starting to tear up the American League with a 4 game winning streak!!

I love sarcasm.
Title: Re: MLB Regular Season - 2005
Post by: Darth Broem on May 11, 2005, 03:43 PM
Yeah, now they are only 7 games back last I saw.  The Yankees I mean.  I see Boston is only 1.5 games behind Baltimore. 
Title: Re: MLB Regular Season - 2005
Post by: JediMAC on May 18, 2005, 03:04 PM
Yanks starting to tear up the American League with a 4 game winning streak!!

Going on 10 in a row now.  Seems they've finally righted the ship, with some decent pitching, and more timely hitting.  Not surprising at all really.  Should be interesting to see if they can indeed make it all the way back to the top of the division now...

I've been on Rocket watch again this year, as Clemens continues to amaze everyone with his near perfect pitching the first month and a half of the season.  Sitting at a 1.11 ERA after 8 starts now I think.  Unfortunately, he's getting practically NO run support from the 'Stros, so his record is a measely 3-1.  Meanwhile, Dontrell Willis is going freaking nuts out in FL, with a 7-0 record and a 1.08 ERA!  That's crazy.

Dodgers and Angels have slowed down a little of late, but are still right in the thick of things, so that's cool.  Just lost K-Rod to the DL though, it sounds like, so that'll hurt the Halos pen for a while.
Title: Re: MLB Regular Season - 2005
Post by: aliasjcb on May 27, 2005, 12:49 PM
Boo Dodgers! Go Padres!  ;D
Title: Re: MLB Regular Season - 2005
Post by: Scott on May 27, 2005, 12:54 PM
Twins have been playing so so of late, still have the 3rd Best Record in Baseball, unfortunately for them, the white sox have the 1st.  I still think they'll choke come Julyish
Title: Re: MLB Regular Season - 2005
Post by: Chris M on May 27, 2005, 01:09 PM
I might as well jump in now, just having seen this thread.

I'm a Ranger season ticket holder, so go Rangers!!!

We're on a 6 game winning streak, with the ChiSox coming into town.  Although, they took 2 out of 3 in Chicago, we've got a good chance of laying it to them this weekend.  The Sox aren't getting any offense, and probably won't until Thomas is back.  Also, the Ranger bats are heating up.  Hidalgo has something like 4 homeruns in the past week.

I'm not sure yet if the pitching is strong enough to go toe to toe with Anaheim (sorry, the LA Angels of Anaheim), but we'll see.  If not, we may have to concentrate on a wild card birth and beat out Minnesota or whoever can get their act together in the AL east.
Title: Re: MLB Regular Season - 2005
Post by: JediMAC on June 2, 2005, 02:22 PM
I'm a Ranger season ticket holder, so go Rangers!!!

BOOOOOO!!!   (Angel fan here)   :P

But yeah, I've been rather amazed and obviously surprised with the Rangers' turn around this year, but you're right, I don't know if they'll have the pitching depth to sustain this.  Nice to see former Dodger Chan Ho turn it around this season though, and I always dig watching Soriano tear it up too, so that's been fun to watch.

So we're neck and neck right now, tied I think (don't know what you guys did last night).  I think the Halos are going to pick up the pace soon though, now that K-Rod's finally back (we lost a couple games to the Sox in the bottom of the ninth last week), and when Vladamir Guerrero's back in another couple weeks here.  Plus, Dallas McPherson (Troy Glaus' replacement) is finally starting to swing a mean stick, with 4 dingers in the last 5 games, and some very timely hitting and big time RBI's during that time as well.  Third base has been our biggest hole up to now, so hopefully that won't be an issue anymore.

As for the Blue Crew, the Dodgers have been sucking ass the past month, and have fallen off the face of the earth.  Very disappointing.  If they were gonna play like **** this year, I'd rather they not tease us with the best record in baseball for the first month of the season, 'cause that's just false advertising right there.  >:(

BTW, Brian R's gotta be happy with Derrik Lee holding the Triple Crown right now.  Damn, that guy's blowing up something fierce right now!  :o
Title: Re: MLB Regular Season - 2005
Post by: Darth Broem on June 3, 2005, 12:11 PM
I see the Cubs have finally pulled their heads out of their rears and strung a long a 7 game winstreak.    Just when I am about ready to throw my hands up in the air and say screw this season.  They do just enough to string me along again for the year.  LOL!
Title: Re: MLB Regular Season - 2005
Post by: Jeff on June 6, 2005, 02:50 PM
Good weekend for the Twinkies!

Taking 2/3 from the Yanks forcing them to drop to 4th place in the AL East = priceless   ;D

Mid-June is when the Twins seem to hit their stride.  Only being 3.5 games back isn't too bad, I'm still confident the Sox will implode at some point.   ;)

Jeff
Title: Re: MLB Regular Season - 2005
Post by: Scott on June 6, 2005, 02:52 PM
Doing it with the B-Squad this weekend was all the more sweet.  They should have swept them

After righting the ship for a while, I'm glad to see the Yankee$ losing again ;D
Title: Re: MLB Regular Season - 2005
Post by: JediMAC on June 6, 2005, 07:55 PM
Twinkies suck.


That's all.

Title: Re: MLB Regular Season - 2005
Post by: Jeff on June 7, 2005, 12:23 AM
Twinkies suck.


That's all.

 >:(

Minn = 33-22 (.600)
LAA ::) = 33-24 (.579)
LAD = 29-27 (.518)

If the Twinkies "suck", at least the Angels/Dodgers suck more.   :-*
Title: Re: MLB Regular Season - 2005
Post by: Darth Broem on June 7, 2005, 02:05 PM
I still can't believe they changed the name from Anaheim to Los Angeles? 
Title: Re: MLB Regular Season - 2005
Post by: Jeff on June 7, 2005, 02:14 PM
I still can't believe they changed the name from Anaheim to Los Angeles? 

I agree. 

"The Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim"? 

[Chandler]Could your name BE any longer?[/Chandler]

Lame.   ::)

Jeff
Title: Re: MLB Regular Season - 2005
Post by: Jeff on June 8, 2005, 12:10 PM
Is it wrong to be happy that the Yankees have lost two in a row to Milwaukee thus falling 2 games below .500 and are firmly entrenched in 4th place in the AL East?   :D

Great game last night by the Twinks.  Crappy pitching was saved by two HRs by Hunter.  About time he got hot, maybe this is the start of something good for Torii.   :)

Jeff
Title: Re: MLB Regular Season - 2005
Post by: Chris M on June 8, 2005, 01:50 PM
Is it wrong to be happy that the Yankees have lost two in a row to Milwaukee thus falling 2 games below .500 and are firmly entrenched in 4th place in the AL East?   :D

Great game last night by the Twinks.  Crappy pitching was saved by two HRs by Hunter.  About time he got hot, maybe this is the start of something good for Torii.   :)

Jeff

You're not the only one thrilled about that.  I absolutely detest the Yankees and their rich pretty boy image.

Hopefully when they show up in Texas next month we'll take at least two of three from them.
Title: Re: MLB Regular Season - 2005
Post by: JediMAC on June 8, 2005, 02:15 PM
Minn = 33-22 (.600)
LAA ::) = 33-24 (.579)
LAD = 29-27 (.518)

If the Twinkies "suck", at least the Angels/Dodgers suck more.   :-*

Yeah, yeah, yeah...  Tell me something I don't already know, Mr. Predictable.  :P

BTW, Rangers suck too, while I'm at it!  ;)

And lemme tell ya', no one out here likes that L.A. Angels nonsense either.  No one.  We just call them the Angels, and leave the rest of that crap out of it.  They should've just reverted back to the "California Angels" if anything.  :-\

You guys see Erstad take out the Braves catcher the other night, and then the Braves start the following game off by throwing behind him in his first at bat?  Amusing...  Can't wait 'til we get Vlad back, so we can start to make our run finally.  Then you're all gonna be toast!  :-*
Title: Re: MLB Regular Season - 2005
Post by: Darth Kenobi on June 8, 2005, 04:33 PM


And lemme tell ya', no one out here likes that L.A. Angels nonsense either.  No one.  We just call them the Angels, and leave the rest of that crap out of it.  They should've just reverted back to the "California Angels" if anything.  :-\

You guys see Erstad take out the Braves catcher the other night, and then the Braves start the following game off by throwing behind him in his first at bat?  Amusing...  Can't wait 'til we get Vlad back, so we can start to make our run finally.  Then you're all gonna be toast!  :-*

Yeah I saw it on TV missed the next game through when they throw behind him.  I think I saw a part of it when they finish the last game the Channel showed highlights of the game and one was a pitch that went behind an Angel player.  It look like the Umpire throw the pitcher out. 
I was waiting to see what would happen if Erstad was to bat again the night he took out the catcher but he didn't get a chance.  The hit was clean and a part of the game if the Braves didn't like it that is tough but thats a part of the game. 
Title: Re: MLB Regular Season - 2005
Post by: JediMAC on June 17, 2005, 08:13 PM
Minn = 33-22 (.600)
LAA ::) = 33-24 (.579)
LAD = 29-27 (.518)

If the Twinkies "suck", at least the Angels/Dodgers suck more.   :-*

I would like it to be (belatedly) noted here that the Dodgers took 2 outta 3 against the sorry-ass Twinkies, in no small part due to Korean Kong's 6 dingers over those 3 games.  :o

Unfortunately, the Dodgers may be totally screwed now, since Gagne's back on the DL, and may wind up missing the rest of the season.  ****.  >:(
Title: Re: MLB Regular Season - 2005
Post by: Mikey D on June 29, 2005, 07:40 AM
Anyway want a washed up bum of a closer with an over 6.00 ERA who can't throw a 85 mph fastball?  I'll trade him for a bag of used balls, a couple of broken bats and a bag of sunflower seeds.  >:(
Title: Re: MLB Regular Season - 2005
Post by: Darth Broem on June 29, 2005, 05:15 PM
Damn Cubs are screwing with me again.  Only a couple games out of the Wild Card race and all the starting pitchers have returned.  Sigh, I foresee another wild ending to their season. 
Title: Re: MLB Regular Season - 2005
Post by: Dressel Rebel on June 29, 2005, 05:38 PM
Rumor has it that Gary Sheffield may be going to the Mets for Mike Cameron and some other players.

Without Sheffield's bat, Yanks don't make the playoffs.
Title: Re: MLB Regular Season - 2005
Post by: Mikey D on June 30, 2005, 07:31 AM
Even with Roid Rage's bat, the Yanks ain't making the playoffs.
Title: Re: MLB Regular Season - 2005
Post by: Darth Broem on June 30, 2005, 10:24 AM
Wow!  I just saw Kenny Rogers (I think that is his name) knock a camera out of some cameraman's hands.  What is with this guy?  Personally I always felt that when players come into the dugout and throw their little tirades and punch or kick things it's all for show and not much else.  If they were really that upset they should have took care of stuff better on the mound or on the field.  What is the need to go acting like an insane man after you have screwed up? 
Title: Re: MLB Regular Season - 2005
Post by: Scott on June 30, 2005, 04:41 PM
Rangers have hit 8 Dongs off the Angels today...still an inning to go
Title: Re: MLB Regular Season - 2005
Post by: Mikey D on July 5, 2005, 07:48 AM
Anyway want a washed up bum of a closer with an over 6.00 ERA who can't throw a 85 mph fastball?  I'll trade him for a bag of used balls, a couple of broken bats and a bag of sunflower seeds.  >:(

Offer still stands.  I'll even drop the bag of used balls.  Bastard.  >:(
Title: Re: MLB Regular Season - 2005
Post by: Darth Broem on July 5, 2005, 12:19 PM
Cubs win 4 or 5 in a row!!! :)
And then promptly lose 5 in a row with all their starters healthy :(
Title: Re: MLB Regular Season - 2005
Post by: JediMAC on July 11, 2005, 05:20 PM
I love sunflower seeds, so send him on over Mikey!  8)

On a less positive note, my Angels, who were steamrolling along quite beautifully throughout June, have hit the skids here after having gotten swept by the lowly Mariners in a 4 game series.  Still have a decent lead in the West, but this is definitely not the type of momentum we wanted to carry into the All-star break.  But hey, at least the break will temporarily halt that momentum...

Dodgers...  Well, they suck far worse right now.  Since 3/4ths of our team is out injured (for most of the season), I don't even know any of our current everyday lineup outside of Jeff Kent.  Freakin' pathetic.  Even worse when you consider that we removed all the names from the jerseys this year, so most Dodger fans can't even figure out who the **** is on the field at any given time (without matching numbers up in the media guide).  ::)
Title: Re: MLB Regular Season - 2005
Post by: Chris M on July 22, 2005, 05:16 PM
I love sunflower seeds, so send him on over Mikey! 8)

On a less positive note, my Angels, who were steamrolling along quite beautifully throughout June, have hit the skids here after having gotten swept by the lowly Mariners in a 4 game series. Still have a decent lead in the West, but this is definitely not the type of momentum we wanted to carry into the All-star break. But hey, at least the break will temporarily halt that momentum...

Dodgers... Well, they suck far worse right now. Since 3/4ths of our team is out injured (for most of the season), I don't even know any of our current everyday lineup outside of Jeff Kent. Freakin' pathetic. Even worse when you consider that we removed all the names from the jerseys this year, so most Dodger fans can't even figure out who the **** is on the field at any given time (without matching numbers up in the media guide). ::)

I wouldn't worry about it.  My ******* Rangers have lost 5 of 7 since the All Star break.  My wife and I are headed out tonight and Sunday so hopefullly we can jump back into second and take the next three from Oakland.
Title: Re: MLB Regular Season - 2005
Post by: Dressel Rebel on July 22, 2005, 05:20 PM
I love sunflower seeds, so send him on over Mikey!  8)

On a less positive note, my Angels, who were steamrolling along quite beautifully throughout June, have hit the skids here after having gotten swept by the lowly Mariners in a 4 game series.  Still have a decent lead in the West, but this is definitely not the type of momentum we wanted to carry into the All-star break.  But hey, at least the break will temporarily halt that momentum...

Dodgers...  Well, they suck far worse right now.  Since 3/4ths of our team is out injured (for most of the season), I don't even know any of our current everyday lineup outside of Jeff Kent.  Freakin' pathetic.  Even worse when you consider that we removed all the names from the jerseys this year, so most Dodger fans can't even figure out who the **** is on the field at any given time (without matching numbers up in the media guide).  ::)

Forget about the Dodgers, it's over for them.

The Angels have a legitimate shot to make the playoffs, they probably will.  But most disconcerting is Vladimir Guerrero's sore left wrist, and batting average that has fallen 40 points in the last 12 or so games.  He's got 4 hits in that span total, but one was a game winning grand slam off Tom Gordon last night, so hopefully he'll snap out of it.  His power numbers are way down though, extra base hits and homeruns, and I'm not sure if it's his left wrist, his jammed shoulder that he was on the DL for, or just a prolonged slump.  At any rate, if he does not snap out of this, the Angels are going to be overtaken in the AL West most likely.

Even if the Angels don't make the playoffs, it doesn't really matter because they'd lose in the ALCS to the Yankees anyway, since the Yankees are going to be World Series Champions this year.

 :o
Title: Re: MLB Regular Season - 2005
Post by: JediMAC on July 22, 2005, 05:30 PM
Even if the Angels don't make the playoffs, it doesn't really matter because they'd lose in the ALCS to the Yankees anyway, since the Yankees are going to be World Series Champions this year.

Keep right on talkin', you delirious goof!

I believe the Angels waxed the Yanks in the playoffs a few years back, and with our hitting and your total lack of pitching (not to mention our good pitching), your pinstriped assclowns don't stand a chance, Matt.  Just like last night with that game winning slam by Vlad.  So there.  :-*

As for the Dodgers...  >:(
Title: Re: MLB Regular Season - 2005
Post by: Dressel Rebel on July 22, 2005, 05:57 PM
Even if the Angels don't make the playoffs, it doesn't really matter because they'd lose in the ALCS to the Yankees anyway, since the Yankees are going to be World Series Champions this year.

Keep right on talkin', you delirious goof!

I believe the Angels waxed the Yanks in the playoffs a few years back, and with our hitting and your total lack of pitching (not to mention our good pitching), your pinstriped assclowns don't stand a chance, Matt.  Just like last night with that game winning slam by Vlad.  So there.  :-*

As for the Dodgers...  >:(

Well Vlad should hit that homerun last night since it's been about 15 games without one for him, and since about 40 players have more than him.

You can dwell in the past with that one series where the Angels bested the Yanks, but this is not the same Angels team.  And if you want to talk playoff success stories, I have about 26 of them to tell you.  How many you got?

 :D
Title: Re: MLB Regular Season - 2005
Post by: Dressel Rebel on July 26, 2005, 10:36 PM
Scary moment: WHACK!!!

(http://msn.foxsports.com/id/3830620_36_2.jpg)

Title: Re: MLB Regular Season - 2005
Post by: Mikey D on July 27, 2005, 08:33 AM
Scary moment: WHACK!!!


You couldn't think of a better word to describe this incident than "WHACK!!!"?
Title: Re: MLB Regular Season - 2005
Post by: Dressel Rebel on July 27, 2005, 08:38 AM
Not for a player on the Red Sox  ;)
Title: Re: MLB Regular Season - 2005
Post by: Mikey D on July 27, 2005, 09:54 AM
Wow.  I really hope you're joking.
Title: Re: MLB Regular Season - 2005
Post by: Holographic Elvis on July 29, 2005, 09:16 PM
Manny on his way to the Mets?

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2119978
Title: Re: MLB Regular Season - 2005
Post by: Dressel Rebel on July 29, 2005, 09:22 PM
Manny on his way to the Mets?

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2119978

That salary though...

One thing I know is that I am growing fond of the Mets recently, been watching them a lot on MSG and listening to WFAN.  I like the prospect of them getting Manny Ramirez or Alfonso Soriano, 2 of my favorite players, and 2 of the best 15 hitters in baseball.  The buzz here in NY has been Soriano, Soriano, Soriano.  It'd be a weird twist to end up with Manny, but a welcome one.

The lineup would be very meaty in the middle with:

Beltran
Ramirez
Floyd
Wright
Piazza

And almost as fearsome with Soriano there.
Title: Re: MLB Regular Season - 2005
Post by: Holographic Elvis on July 30, 2005, 02:48 PM
Deal looks to be dead now due to time constraints.  Sox apparently went and asked for more from the Mets who promptly backed out.  The D-Rays are pushing hard for the deal cause of all the prospects they'd land.  Mets aren't sure they want to eat all that salary either.
Title: Re: MLB Regular Season - 2005
Post by: Darth Broem on July 30, 2005, 03:48 PM
Wow!  I checked to see if the Cubs were going to get anyone at the deadline.  They are supposed to be in talks involving all these players - Adam Dunn, Austin Kearns, Alfonso Soriano, Aubrey Huff, Kevin Mench, or Manny Ramirez.  I suspect one of them will wind up being the Cubs new LF.  Anything is an upgrade to Todd Hollandsworth.  LOL!
Title: Re: MLB Regular Season - 2005
Post by: Dressel Rebel on July 30, 2005, 11:13 PM
Manny Ramirez may still become a Met, but he won't have to get there via Tampa Bay.


The Red Sox and Mets have agreed to stop working on an intricate three-team deal with the Devil Rays, and now have begun talking only with each other, according to an official of one of the three teams.

The current deal being proposed would send Ramirez and about $15 million in cash to the Mets, in exchange for Mike Cameron and the Mets' top prospect, Lastings Milledge. But the Red Sox are believed to have told the Mets they would need more talent back to sign off on the deal. In the meantime, however, Boston is calling other teams to see if it can move either Milledge, or Cameron, or even both, in deals that could help the Red Sox address multiple needs.
Title: Re: MLB Regular Season - 2005
Post by: Holographic Elvis on August 1, 2005, 01:53 PM
Palmeiro has been suspended for steroids!   :o
Title: Re: MLB Regular Season - 2005
Post by: Jeff on August 1, 2005, 02:59 PM
Palmeiro has been suspended for steroids!   :o

 :o

Wow, that's big news... My friend and I were just having a "Is he HoF material or not" debate the last time we hung out. 

With 3000 hits and 500 HR, it's hard to say he's not a HoF'er, but this is gonna hurt his chances big time.

I guess Jose Canseco wasn't lying about shooting up with Palmiero after all.  :-X
 
Jeff
Title: Re: MLB Regular Season - 2005
Post by: jjks on August 1, 2005, 03:02 PM
Makes you wonder what else Canseco was telling the truth about. Have to admit I was pretty surprised to hear this at lunch today. Are we sure Viagra isn't on the list of banned substances?
Title: Re: MLB Regular Season - 2005
Post by: Jeff on August 1, 2005, 04:46 PM
Great, just great.   >:(

Stick a fork in my beloved Minnesota Twins.  With the news that Torii has a broken ankle and will miss at least a month (and maybe the rest of the year) I'm pretty convinved the Twinks are done.

In the AL Central, we're now 14.5 games behind Chicago (who show no signs of slowing down).  Even if the Chi-Sox slow down to a paltry .500 pace to finish the year, the Twins would have to go 42-19 (.689) over the next 61 games to pull even with them.   :o

In the Wild Card Race, we're 4 games behind Oakland, the team we happen to be starting a 3-game series with, and we're coming off a 3-8 road trip.  Without a HUGE turn-around in offense and a few killer games from Santana and BRadke, we are in a lot of trouble to even get a WC berth since Oakland and the Yankees are finally playing killer ball.  :-\

It was a good run while it lasted though...   :'(

Jeff
Title: Re: MLB Regular Season - 2005
Post by: Jeff on August 2, 2005, 03:54 PM
Without a HUGE turn-around in offense and a few killer games from Santana and BRadke, we are in a lot of trouble to even get a WC berth since Oakland and the Yankees are finally playing killer ball.  :-\

Case in point:

   A fantastic outing by Santana
+ a horrible offensive output against something called "Joe Blandon"  ::)
= yet another 1-run loss to a good team

 >:(

Title: Re: MLB Regular Season - 2005
Post by: Dressel Rebel on August 2, 2005, 09:51 PM
I am ready to make my AL and NL Cy Young forecasts.  I'm going to hold off on ROY and MVP for 2 more weeks.

AL:

(http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20050724/capt.ans11107242333.yankees_angels_ans111.jpg)

Rivera, not Matsui  8)


NL:

(http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20050803/capt.sts10508030131.marlins_cardinals_sts105.jpg)

Rather than:

(http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20050803/capt.sts10408030131.marlins_cardinals_sts104.jpg)


Title: Re: MLB Regular Season - 2005
Post by: Dressel Rebel on August 2, 2005, 10:00 PM
And if this fella had a little more run support in the first half, with his ERA < 1.50 and WHIP < 1.00, he'd have challenged Carpenter for the nod:

(http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20050728/capt.hta10907280256.phillies_astros_hta109.jpg)
Title: Re: MLB Regular Season - 2005
Post by: Jedi Idej on August 7, 2005, 11:37 PM
I was in Phoenix for less than 24 hours this past week and lucked into seeing Clemens on the mound against the D-backs. The guy is not as overpowering as he once was but he's pitching better than ever. Just amazing. I'd like to see him shoot for 400 wins.

I wanted to give Palmeiro the benefit of the doubt when Canseco pegged him in his book. His lame denial in front of Congress changed my mind, though on the surface and without proof, it was only fair to preface his steroid use as "alleged". So his suspension doesn't surprise me.

I've been on the "nay" side of the "Is Palmeiro a HoF'er right now" debate. I needed to see a couple of more solid years to be convinced only because I saw him as the offensive equivalent of Don Sutton or Phil Neikro -- nothing really dominating in their career.

IF he were to bounce back from this brouhaha AND string a few more solid years, I'd be inclined to say he belongs in the HoF despite the steroids. In this era of performance enhancers, legal and not, he's (so far) proven himself as one of the better players of the day.

Title: Re: MLB Regular Season - 2005
Post by: John C on August 8, 2005, 10:51 AM
Terry Ryan seriuosly needs to re-evaluate a ton of things with this team.  Gardenhire is a horrible manager.  He plays favorites with the vets when they need a kick in the butt and he uses younger players as scapegoats.  He is unable to motivate or get them to keep their heads in the game.  He keeps shuffling the lineup and positions around.  The Twins win games in spite of him, not because of him.  It's time for his head on a platter.  Mazilli was canned in Baltimore for similar circumstances.  Gardy would have been gone by now in NY or Boston.  Why should we expect less?
Ullger should be gone, too.  He has not made a single hitter better under his reign.  He has only made people worse.  We have guys who hit well in the minors, then are brought up and screwed up by Ullger.  Ortiz and Kielty got better when they left.  Dougie Baseball and Guzman have not been able to recover.  Morneau and Mauer might get worse if Ullger tinkers with them too much. It's not too late, Terry Ryan.
Mays, Lohse and Romero should be dumped for Baker, Liriano and Bowyer.  Give the minor leaguers a shot.  They can't do any worse than what we have now.  Punto should be benched for L-Rod.  LeCroy should be dumped.  He is too slow and he can only hit fastballs.  Give someone else a shot.  Maybe they could bring up Garrett Jones.
The only reason they won three division titles in a row was because the AL Central was so weak.  Those days are over.  TK's influence is also gone.  The Twins always played hard when he was managing.  They might have been horrible, but at least they were fundamentally sound.  This team is a joke.  I want to see Gardenhire gone ASAP.


 
Great, just great.   >:(

Stick a fork in my beloved Minnesota Twins.  With the news that Torii has a broken ankle and will miss at least a month (and maybe the rest of the year) I'm pretty convinved the Twinks are done.

In the AL Central, we're now 14.5 games behind Chicago (who show no signs of slowing down).  Even if the Chi-Sox slow down to a paltry .500 pace to finish the year, the Twins would have to go 42-19 (.689) over the next 61 games to pull even with them.   :o

In the Wild Card Race, we're 4 games behind Oakland, the team we happen to be starting a 3-game series with, and we're coming off a 3-8 road trip.  Without a HUGE turn-around in offense and a few killer games from Santana and BRadke, we are in a lot of trouble to even get a WC berth since Oakland and the Yankees are finally playing killer ball.  :-\

It was a good run while it lasted though...   :'(

Jeff
Title: Re: MLB Regular Season - 2005
Post by: JediMAC on August 11, 2005, 09:06 PM
And if this fella (Clemens) had a little more run support in the first half, with his ERA < 1.50 and WHIP < 1.00, he'd have challenged Carpenter for the nod

I say Roger still gets it.  He's only 5 wins behind the NL win leader now, since the Astros have picked things up of late, and he's getting a little more run support now.  Plus, if they nab the Wild Card (which they're now in position to do), that'll help his cause a little.  I just see no way the voters can get around his absolutely mind-boggling ERA that's in the 1.3 range now.  That's unbelievable.  If he can get up to at least 15 wins, I think he's got a solid chance at it.  Considering the way he's still going right now, I hope he doesn't lay it up and retire.  I'd love for him to keep up this pace for another year or two...

As for Palmeiro, that was devastating.  I don't know why, but him and Eddie Murray have always been two of my alltime favorite players.  Obviously, I think it's just the "consistently good" stats that they toss up there year after year.  Never great, but always excellent.  They've both always played behind bigger superstars, and are very quiet personalities, so they've always been underrated and flown under most folk's radars, I think.  But hell, when there's only four guys in the 500 HR and 3,000 hit club, and the other two are named Aaron and Mays, ****, that's really saying something about Palmeiro and Murray.

Unfortunately, now all of Palmeiro's consistently excellent years are going to be called into question and put under the microscope.  I just can't understand how he could possibly (be so stupid as to) be on the 'roids right now, after getting specifically fingered in Canseco's book, and before Congress.  Especially near the end of his illustrious career, with a virtual lock on the HOF.  Why risk it?  Makes no freakin' sense, at all.  But my thought is this, if they nail his ass and keep him out of the Hall for 'roids, then similar treatment should be shown to McGwire, Sosa, and especially Bonds as well - even if those guys never got "caught".  And those would be some BIG names to exclude from the Hall.  **** it, just let 'em all in, I say.  We've got the "mental asterisks" in our minds already, so that should be enough...

Oh, and my Angels have totally gone into the toilet the past several weeks, dropping them all the way into a deadlock with the A's for the West lead, when we had a solid 7 game lead on them just a couple weeks ago.  Idiots.  >:(

I won't even mention what my stupid Dodgers are doing right now...  ::)
Title: Re: MLB Regular Season - 2005
Post by: JediMAC on August 17, 2005, 05:47 PM
Angels have bounced back a little in the past week, and pulled a couple games ahead of Oakland who's tanked 3 in a row.  Vlad's been carrying us again, just like last year.  Now if K-Rod would just get back to his usual self, and stop blowing save (3 bad ones the past couple weeks).

Dodgers are somehow hanging in there (kinda), 5 back of the Padres who are sucking much ass of late.  When's the last time that a division winner finished under .500, I wonder?

Anyone else following MLB, or am I talking to myself in here?!  :P
Title: Re: MLB Regular Season - 2005
Post by: Scott on August 17, 2005, 11:34 PM
Twinkies just swept the Sox...pulled within 12 of them.  If they could have hit back in July, it might even be close.  Still only 4 out of the Wild Card.   Things are starting to come together it looks like
Title: Re: MLB Regular Season - 2005
Post by: John C on August 18, 2005, 09:51 AM
The Twins need to play like they have been the last two series from here on out if they want to make the playoffs.  The Wildcard is not out of the question for them if they can do that.  I just don't see it unless the hitters can keep doing what they did in Chicago.  I still think they need a new hitting coach.  Sometimes a change needs to be made just for the sake of making a change.  Mays should be thrown into the pen the rest of the year.  He has trouble going more than 4 or 5 innings.  Baker would be able to take his place and do it better IMO.  They could dump Mullholland also and use Liriano in the pen while they are at it.
Title: Re: MLB Regular Season - 2005
Post by: John C on August 19, 2005, 11:04 AM
It will be interesting to see if any of the NL West teams can finish above .500.  If the Twins can't make the playoffs, I'll root for an under .500 team to win it all. 
Title: Re: MLB Regular Season - 2005
Post by: Morgbug on August 20, 2005, 12:26 AM


I say Roger still gets it.  He's only 5 wins behind the NL win leader now, since the Astros have picked things up of late, and he's getting a little more run support now.  Plus, if they nab the Wild Card (which they're now in position to do), that'll help his cause a little.  I just see no way the voters can get around his absolutely mind-boggling ERA that's in the 1.3 range now.  That's unbelievable.  If he can get up to at least 15 wins, I think he's got a solid chance at it.  Considering the way he's still going right now, I hope he doesn't lay it up and retire.  I'd love for him to keep up this pace for another year or two...


St. Louis Cardinals SP Chris Carpenter is 9-0 with a 1.07 ERA in his last 11 starts. The team has won all 11 games.

You sure Roger deserves it?
Title: Re: MLB Regular Season - 2005
Post by: JohnH on August 21, 2005, 12:12 AM
I traded Carpenter not too long ago because my team needed some power and I *knew* he'd cool down.  Oops.  :)

John
Title: Re: MLB Regular Season - 2005
Post by: jadesfire on August 21, 2005, 08:23 AM

Anyone else following MLB, or am I talking to myself in here?!  :P

I follow it but don't have much to say being a Tiger fan  :-X.
We did catch Griffey play in Cinncy this past Friday night.  Great seats, right on the first base side.  My son has been a Griffey fan since he was around 8 years old so he was thrilled to see him play in person.  The Reds had 4 homers while we were there (we left at the 7th inning since it was a good hours drive back to Chilly). 

I'm hoping to get up to Cleveland and see a few games there since it looks like I might finally have a team to root for that has playoff hopes ;)
Title: Re: MLB Regular Season - 2005
Post by: Scott on August 23, 2005, 10:48 PM
Twins won tonight while being one hit by the White Sox...good thing Johan was on the mound

I wouldn't put anyone's name on the Cy Young just yet ;)
Title: Re: MLB Regular Season - 2005
Post by: Dressel Rebel on August 23, 2005, 10:56 PM
Twins won tonight while being one hit by the White Sox...good thing Johan was on the mound

I wouldn't put anyone's name on the Cy Young just yet ;)

If you're implying that Johan Santana is a candidate, you can forget about it.  He's 12-6 with a 3.20 ERA.  Those just aren't Cy Young numbers.  He'd have to win his next 6 straight starts and lower his ERA about 3/4 point.
Title: Re: MLB Regular Season - 2005
Post by: Scott on August 23, 2005, 11:05 PM
13-6

He's also 6-1 since the All Star Break and basically pitched 3 straight shut outs.  I don't think its totally out of the question yet.  Without any real AL candidates to boot
Title: Re: MLB Regular Season - 2005
Post by: Dressel Rebel on August 23, 2005, 11:15 PM
13-6

He's also 6-1 since the All Star Break and basically pitched 3 straight shut outs.  I don't think its totally out of the question yet.  Without any real AL candidates to boot

If Santana goes 5-0 with a microscopic ERA and WHIP the rest of August and September, he could win.  But if the season ended today, Mariano Rivera would be the winner, hands down.
Title: Re: MLB Regular Season - 2005
Post by: Scott on August 23, 2005, 11:20 PM
3rd in Wins, 1st in Ks and 4th in ERA, sounds pretty good to me, plus he's again pitching well when it counts unlike Buehrle and Garland

Rivera has the same record and # of Saves as Joe Nathan, what separates them?  Because he plays in New York?
Title: Re: MLB Regular Season - 2005
Post by: JediMAC on August 23, 2005, 11:39 PM
Rivera has the same record and # of Saves as Joe Nathan, what separates them?  Because he plays in New York?

I'm going to say their ERA.  Rivera's is sitting at a minbogglingly miniscule 1.39, whereas Nathan's is at a much more robust 2.53.  That's a pretty sizeable difference there, giving Rivera the nod, hands down.

Plus, Rivera's actually got 2 more saves than Nathan too.  ;)
Title: Re: MLB Regular Season - 2005
Post by: Dressel Rebel on August 24, 2005, 12:00 AM
Right, plus Nathan's WHIP is 1.00, and Rivera's is .79, which is amazing.

Unless you're David Ortiz, you do not want to face Rivera.
Title: Re: MLB Regular Season - 2005
Post by: Scott on August 24, 2005, 12:08 AM
Well, to me its still wide open
Title: Re: MLB Regular Season - 2005
Post by: Mikey D on August 24, 2005, 08:23 AM

Unless you're David Ortiz the Boston Red Sox, you do not want to face Rivera.

Fixed.
Title: Re: MLB Regular Season - 2005
Post by: John C on August 24, 2005, 09:32 AM
So Milton Bradley is having more problems with Jeff Kent.  Both men are goofballs and it's not hard to see why the Dodgers are done.  There are two big cancers in the clubhouse.  I guess you become insane when you are named after a board game company.  I don't know what Kent's excuse is.
Title: Re: MLB Regular Season - 2005
Post by: Morgbug on August 25, 2005, 10:01 AM
Carpenter won again. 
Title: Re: MLB Regular Season - 2005
Post by: Dressel Rebel on August 25, 2005, 10:19 AM
Carpenter won again. 

Yeah, he's really dominating in the W-L, K's/9, WHIP, ERA.  Carpenter's got the NL Cy Young all wrapped up.
Title: Re: MLB Regular Season - 2005
Post by: Morgbug on August 25, 2005, 10:24 AM
W-L          ERA         K          Walks        WHIP
17-4         2.29     174           39           0.98

ERA is a bit high on that stat, but it's around 1.07 for the last 9-10 games.
Title: Re: MLB Regular Season - 2005
Post by: Dressel Rebel on August 25, 2005, 11:12 AM
Here's a side by side comparison of Carpenter vs. Clemens.  We can forget about Dontrelle Willis at this point:


                        IP                W-L               K            K/9           WHIP            ERA

Carpenter        196.1          18-4           178          8.16             0.97            2.34

Clemens           178.1          11-6           162          8.18             0.93           1.56


Perhaps it's a little closer than I give Clemens credit for at this point.  The only thing is, Clemens can't win with that kind of record.  Carpenter's a 20 game winner this year.  Clemens won't even approach that.   Though Clemens does have an edge in ERA.
Title: Re: MLB Regular Season - 2005
Post by: Morgbug on August 25, 2005, 11:25 AM
I agree that Clemens has the better ERA overall, but fewer games pictched = more rest.  He should be pitching better.  And I'll stick with the short memory theory: Carpenter is around that 1.07 mark in the last half of his games.  I'm sure Clemens is doing well also, but I'd think the people voting on this are going to be looking at more than just simple stats. 

I'd guess it could go either way.  If Carpenter tanks in the last month and Clemens continues, or the converse occurs, I guess that will decide it.  I'd say those numbers are pretty even given Clemens numbers are based on fewer games. 
Title: Re: MLB Regular Season - 2005
Post by: Dressel Rebel on August 25, 2005, 11:29 AM

I'd guess it could go either way.  If Carpenter tanks in the last month and Clemens continues, or the converse occurs, I guess that will decide it.  I'd say those numbers are pretty even given Clemens numbers are based on fewer games. 

That'd really be a big change for the last month to 5 weeks of the season.  That's like Scott's logic that Johan Santana could still win the AL Cy Young.  Yes, Santana can, if he is flawless from here on out.  He has to win every decision, 1 or 2 no decisions or losses will nail the coffin shut.  Santana is hanging by a thread.


Clemens probably has the media/voters on his side.  After all, he's The Rocket.  It's just, if Clemens wins 13 games and Carpenter wins 21, game....set....match.

Title: Re: MLB Regular Season - 2005
Post by: Morgbug on August 25, 2005, 11:55 AM
Carpenter should be a lock for 21 games at least.  He's once a week for pitching, so he's got at least 6 games left.  Can't see him tanking that much, so it should happen. 

I agree though, Clemens has the sentimental vote.  But he does have to pitch more and Carpenter has to become suddenly human.
Title: Re: MLB Regular Season - 2005
Post by: Darth Broem on August 27, 2005, 05:17 PM
I would give it to Carpenter at this point.   Clemens is having another great year but he has won it enough times.  Time to give it to someone else.  Plus, I think Carpenter is having a better year anyway. 
Title: Re: MLB Regular Season - 2005
Post by: JohnH on August 27, 2005, 06:43 PM
20 years without postseason play, a 19-game losing streak, blunder after blunder after blunder, horrible decisions on the part of upper management year after year...and yet I remain a Royals fan.

But something happened today for the first time ever.  I actually considered giving up on the team permanently.  Just when I think they've done everything they can to lose...they find new ways.  They make it harder and harder to be a Royals fan.

I'm *this* close to saying "**** 'em".  :(

John
Title: Re: MLB Regular Season - 2005
Post by: Chris M on August 27, 2005, 06:50 PM
20 years without postseason play, a 19-game losing streak, blunder after blunder after blunder, horrible decisions on the part of upper management year after year...and yet I remain a Royals fan.

But something happened today for the first time ever.  I actually considered giving up on the team permanently.  Just when I think they've done everything they can to lose...they find new ways.  They make it harder and harder to be a Royals fan.

I'm *this* close to saying "**** 'em".  :(

John

I feel your pain John.  I haven't quite gotten to that point of giving up on the Rangers, but a series of non-trades and sub par off seasons really has me wondering what the **** Tom Hicks is trying to do with the team.  He picks up Phil Nevin at the trade deadline, and trades away a pitcher...while the Rangers still has some chance to get the wildcard.  Then instead of sending Nevin packing, he hangs on to him.  I first thought because of that trade, Nevin would go to Boston (who claimed earlier to need a bat), in exchange for Bronson Arroyo.  (I believe I heard that rumor somewhere.)

Then a two weeks ago, Hicks tells the media he is giving up for the season and the Rangers proceed to go on a 1-12 road trip.

I truly feel your pain John.
Title: Re: MLB Regular Season - 2005
Post by: Dressel Rebel on August 27, 2005, 07:15 PM
The only thing the Rangers have ever done to try to correct the pitching problem of their's is sign Chan Ho Park to a $13 million contract, and that didn't really pay off.  They've always had a scary offense with no pitching.  Bullpen's not bad, just the starting pitching.  At any rate, that division of their's is loaded with the Halos and A's, so until they get a coupla good starters, forget it.
Title: Re: MLB Regular Season - 2005
Post by: Chris M on August 28, 2005, 08:38 AM
Very true.  What is really frustrating is this season, they hung there hopes on a 41 year old prima donna.  I don't think a lot of the stuff Kenny Rogers does makes it into the national news.  The guys is probably the biggest baby in baseball.

It was sadt that Chan was signed for $13 million.  He was never that good and he's a flyball pitcher.  A flyball pitcher will get knocked out of the yard down here.  Honestly, as much as I hate to say it, it wouldn't hurt to trade a bat or two for two quality young starters.  If the Rangers want to hang onto Kenny, let them, but make him the #4 starter next year.  But his contract is up after this season and I can only pray he doesn't get resigned.

I had high hopes when the season started.  For Christmas 2004, my wife bought me half season tickets (40 games).  It was great earlier in the season thinking that playoff tickets were a possiblility, but then the decent starting pitching we were getting went in the tank.  Chris Young though has come along well and I'm guessing will be a number 2 starter next year.
Title: Re: MLB Regular Season - 2005
Post by: Dressel Rebel on August 28, 2005, 08:52 AM
That infield is the best in the major leagues though. 

The only thing is, instead of having A-Rod, I-Rod, Palmerio, and Juan Gone and no pitching, now you've got Teixeira, Soriano, Young, and Blalock...and no pitching.

I think they should be able to give up Soriano for some decent pitching, and then sign a big free agent as well.
Title: Re: MLB Regular Season - 2005
Post by: Chris M on August 28, 2005, 03:15 PM
I know this will sound a bit hypocritical after I've been bitching about pitching, but I'd hate to give up Soriano.  But, in the interest of pitching an a probably $10 million a year for Alfie I could swing it.  I think another way of looking at trading, would be Kevin Mench, although a fan favorite, because he hasn't developed quite like the Rangers had hoped.  There is also Laynce Nix, a tremendous center fielder, but a little slow with the bat.

However, Hicks has the cash to pay Alfie and to pick up a pitcher, he's just been too much of a tight ass to do so...I mean, come one, the guy owns the Rangers and the Dallas Stars!!  Hicks has the money to lure someone here, he just has to pick the right one.  Also, firing John Hart would be a good move.  GM Hart has been an assclown since he got here and doens't seem to understand pitching=winning in baseball.  Hart did the same thing with Cleveland in the 90's, built the team around an offense...which is great and can win many games, but will do nothing for you when the hitting goes cold for 2 or 3 weeks or you get into the playoffs and everyone except you can pitch.
Title: Re: MLB Regular Season - 2005
Post by: Dressel Rebel on August 28, 2005, 08:27 PM
Yeah but from what I gather, Soriano isn't gonna sign with the Rangers again anyhow.  He is one of my favorite players (Yankee fan here).  They should boost the starting pitching bigtime, and deal Soriano for a quality starter (somebody that another team will fear every 5th day), and magnify that gain by signing a 2nd starting pitcher of similar quality.  AJ Burnett, for example, is very get-able.

The Rangers with 2 Burnett-level starters, Cordero closing, and Blalock, Young, Teixeira at the top of the order will be a very strong team.
Title: Re: MLB Regular Season - 2005
Post by: Morgbug on September 9, 2005, 02:11 PM
Sentimental vote or not, Carpenter deserves this thing:

Carpenter has started 22 games in a row in which he allowed three runs or fewer while pitching six innings, the longest stretch of consecutive quality starts in the NL since Bob Gibson also did it 22 straight times in 1968.

21-4 Overall.  13-0 in his last 16 starts with a 1.36 ERA :o
Title: Re: MLB Regular Season - 2005
Post by: John C on September 12, 2005, 10:56 AM
The Twins are done.  The starting pitchers have decided to join the hitters at sucking.  I guess they have decided to give up.  Real professional.  Gardenhire has no control over his team.  He should be fired, but the cheapskate owner will never do it.  There will be some rebuilding for this team next year.
Title: Re: MLB Regular Season - 2005
Post by: Jeff on September 16, 2005, 03:24 PM
The Twins are done. 
...
There will be some rebuilding for this team next year.

Looks like the rumors on rebuilding are starting already!

Twins' Hunter believes he might be traded (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2163464)

 ::)
Title: Re: MLB Regular Season - 2005
Post by: Dressel Rebel on September 16, 2005, 04:58 PM
The Twins and Expos were almost retracted a few years ago anyhow.  The Twins have been able to take that Central division recently, but they really are first round playoff fodder.  This team is not going to win a championship.
Title: Re: MLB Regular Season - 2005
Post by: JesseVader08 on September 16, 2005, 05:04 PM
The Twins and Expos were almost retracted a few years ago anyhow.

And I think retracting a team with such history like the Twins was an incredibly stupid idea by the league.
Title: Re: MLB Regular Season - 2005
Post by: John C on September 19, 2005, 01:19 PM
The cheapskate owner was the one who came up with the idea from what I've heard.  I would like nothing more than to see him give up and sell the team to someone who cares and will keep them in town.  It's frustrating.
Title: Re: MLB Regular Season - 2005
Post by: Morgbug on September 20, 2005, 12:09 AM
Carpenter may have lost the Cy in his last two games :(
Title: Re: MLB Regular Season - 2005
Post by: Dressel Rebel on September 20, 2005, 10:45 AM
I wonder if the Yankees are more likely to go through the Red Sox (1/2 game back) to take the AL East or go through the Indians (1 1/2 back) to take the wild card.
Title: Re: MLB Regular Season - 2005
Post by: Jeff on September 20, 2005, 10:58 AM
I wonder if the Yankees are more likely to go through the Red Sox (1/2 game back) to take the AL East or go through the Indians (1 1/2 back) to take the wild card.

Well, if the Indians keep playing the way they are (especially beating up ChiSox last night), I think it'll be the White Sox that are on the outside looking in at Cleveland, Boston, and the Yanks...  :P

I can't believe that the Sox had a 15 game lead over Cleveland/Minnesota in August, and now it's down to 2.5 games!  Plus, I'd say that Cleveland has an easier schedule remaining...

Cleveland has the following 10 games left:
Chicago White Sox - 2 games
Kansas City - 4 games
Tampa Bay - 3 games
Chicago White Sox - 1 games

While Chicago has these 11 left:
Cleveland - 2 games
Minnesota - 4 games
Detroit - 4 games
Cleveland - 1 games


Too bad the Twins crapped out or they could be in the mix too...  :(

Title: Re: MLB Regular Season - 2005
Post by: Dressel Rebel on September 20, 2005, 12:23 PM


I can't believe that the Sox had a 15 game lead over Cleveland/Minnesota in August, and now it's down to 2.5 games! 

I can.  I really never thought that the White Sox were the real deal.  Buehrle and Garland are way overrated and their offense really does not scare me at all.  Their defense is mediocre.  I think even if the White Sox make the playoffs, they'll just be the replacement for the first round playoff fodder that the AL Central usually is when the Twins are there.
Title: Re: MLB Regular Season - 2005
Post by: Jeff on September 23, 2005, 11:52 AM
It now appears that Palmiero will say anything to try to keep his HoF hopes alive...

"It was Tejada who gave me the steroids!"   ::)

Source: Palmeiro named Tejada before panel (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2169007)


In other news, the Twins pitching staff is a mess - Mays is hurt (again), Silva just had surgery, and Lohse is hated by everyone at the clubhouse and probably headed out the door after the end of the season...  :(
Title: Re: MLB Regular Season - 2005
Post by: Darth Broem on September 23, 2005, 01:10 PM
Well, well, well how the mighty may have fallen.  The White Sox I mean.  The Indians have 3 more with KC, 3 with Tampa Bay and then 3 at home with the White Sox. 

Since Ozzie turned around and gave to the "choke" sign to the Cubs fans during game 6 of the 2003 NCLS I would love to see "what goes around comes around" to Mr. Guillen. 

It probably won't happen but I would be laughing if it did happen. 

Title: Re: MLB Regular Season - 2005
Post by: JohnH on September 23, 2005, 06:18 PM
I really hate that Guillen is the Sox manager.  I have been a Sox fan since the Seaver and Fisk days.  In a way I'm loving this year because there's a chance the Indians and Sox could make the playoffs, and behind the Royals those are the only two teams I can say I'm a fan of.  But now I'm torn between wanting the Sox to win because of my long-time fandom, and wanting to see them implode because of my dislike of Guillen.

Right now I'm leaning toward implosion.

John
Title: Re: MLB Regular Season - 2005
Post by: Xander on September 29, 2005, 04:04 PM
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Title: Re: MLB Regular Season - 2005
Post by: Dressel Rebel on October 1, 2005, 04:41 PM
Yankees win the AL EAST!!
Title: Re: MLB Regular Season - 2005
Post by: JohnH on October 1, 2005, 06:28 PM
OK, can someone please explain how they have won already?  If Boston beats them tomorrow, they tie for the lead in the division, right?  Which should force a one-game playoff, right?  I'm perplexed.

John
Title: Re: MLB Regular Season - 2005
Post by: jjks on October 1, 2005, 07:08 PM
Yankees win the East because they won the head-to-head regular season series against the Sox. They lead 10-8 right now, so even if they lose tomorrow they still lead 10-9.

Title: Re: MLB Regular Season - 2005
Post by: Mikey D on October 1, 2005, 08:07 PM
Yankees win the AL EAST!!

And it couldn't have happened to a nicer bunch of ******** guys.
Title: Re: MLB Regular Season - 2005
Post by: Mikey D on October 1, 2005, 08:14 PM
Yankees win the East because they won the head-to-head regular season series against the Sox. They lead 10-8 right now, so even if they lose tomorrow they still lead 10-9.



The other key to the Yanks winning today was Cleveland losing.  Since they can't catch the Yanks, the winner of today's was assured of a playoff spot if Cleveland lost.  Since the Yanks won, and they would have the better head to head regardless of what happens tomorrow, they win the East. 
Title: Re: MLB Regular Season - 2005
Post by: JohnH on October 1, 2005, 09:15 PM
Yankees win the East because they won the head-to-head regular season series against the Sox. They lead 10-8 right now, so even if they lose tomorrow they still lead 10-9.



Ah, OK.  I thought there was a playoff for a tie for the division title, but I guess I was wrong.  Thanks for the info.

****.  I can't stand the Yankees.  :(

John
Title: Re: MLB Regular Season - 2005
Post by: Jeff on October 3, 2005, 02:15 PM
Time to see how I did...

Jeff's Picks for 2005:


AL East - Boston
AL Central - Minnesota  8)
AL West - California (I refuse to call them LA or even Anaheim  :P)
Wild Card - New York

NL East - Atlanta
NL Central - St. Louis
NL West - San Diego
Wild Card - Florida

Well, in the AL my Twins failed me and I mixed up the order on the Red Sox and Yanks (but they did make it a close race).  Not too shabby.  Over in the NL, the fish let me down, letting the Astros sneak in there instead.  Eh, 75% isn't too bad.   :)


My playoff picks...

New York over California
Boston over Chicago

St. Louis over San Diego
Atlanta over Houston

Boston over New York
St. Louis over Atlanta

St. Louis over Boston - time for the Red Birds to avenge last year...
Title: Re: MLB Regular Season - 2005
Post by: Mikey D on October 3, 2005, 03:53 PM


My playoff predictions.  And as much as I want a repeat, I don't see it happening.  The Sox pitching, especially the bullpen, is horrible.  I don't see them slugging their way to another WS.

ALDS
Red Sox over White Sox
Angels over Yankees

NLDS
Cards over Padres
Braves over Astros (although I wouldn't be surprised if the Astros won - Clemens, Pettite and Oswalt in a short series is rough)

ALCS
Angels over Red Sox (I wish it was the other way around, but I'm a realist)

NLCS
Cards over Braves

WS
IMO, the two most complete teams - pitching, offense and defense - in the Majors make it.
Cards over Angels

Title: Re: MLB Regular Season - 2005
Post by: Darth Broem on October 4, 2005, 07:51 PM
Wow!  WS was ready for the playoffs today.  14-2 over the Red Sox.
Title: Re: MLB Regular Season - 2005
Post by: Dressel Rebel on October 4, 2005, 08:11 PM
Schilling's not Schilling, and there ain't no Pedro.  Matt Clement got bombed silly.

Red Sox SUCK.


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Title: Re: MLB Regular Season - 2005
Post by: Mikey D on October 5, 2005, 02:01 PM

Red Sox SUCK.


I'm sure you said the same thing last year when they lost 19-8 and I know how that turned out.  I think you do too, because you seemed to have disappeared after that.
Title: Re: MLB Regular Season - 2005
Post by: Dressel Rebel on October 6, 2005, 07:55 AM

Red Sox SUCK.


I'm sure you said the same thing last year when they lost 19-8 and I know how that turned out.  I think you do too, because you seemed to have disappeared after that.

One more loss and I don't have to see those eternal pains in my ass until pitchers and catchers report in March.

Plus the Yankees will have an easier time with the White Sox in the ALCS.
Title: Re: MLB Regular Season - 2005
Post by: Mikey D on October 6, 2005, 10:37 AM

Plus the Yankees will have an easier time with the White Sox in the ALCS.

  ::) I'd think the Yanks should worry about Anaheim first instead of looking ahead.
Title: Re: MLB Regular Season - 2005
Post by: Dressel Rebel on October 6, 2005, 10:45 AM

Plus the Yankees will have an easier time with the White Sox in the ALCS.

  ::) I'd think the Yanks should worry about Anaheim first instead of looking ahead.

I'd say there's a good chance that Randy Johnson is going to take them apart in game 3.
Title: Re: MLB Regular Season - 2005
Post by: Dressel Rebel on October 7, 2005, 07:25 PM
Whew...

3 more outs here against the bottom of the Red Sox order, and I'm rid of these pests for the season...
Title: Re: MLB Regular Season - 2005
Post by: Dressel Rebel on October 7, 2005, 07:49 PM
WHOOOOOOO!!!!!

See ya next year Red Sucks!!!!!


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Title: Re: MLB Regular Season - 2005
Post by: Dressel Rebel on October 7, 2005, 07:53 PM
What do you think about that Joe?

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Title: Re: MLB Regular Season - 2005
Post by: JediMAC on October 7, 2005, 08:25 PM
Whew... 3 more outs here against the bottom of the Red Sox order, and I'm rid of these pests for the season...

I think you've got some bigger pests you should be concerned with right now...

I'd say there's a good chance that Randy Johnson is going to take them apart in game 3.

Indeed.  He's off to an excellent start!  Better start praying this one gets rained out before the damage gets even worse...  :P
Title: Re: MLB Regular Season - 2005
Post by: Dressel Rebel on October 7, 2005, 08:32 PM
The Angels luck against the Yankees is going to run out in this series.  Unless they take an 8 run lead, I'm not worried.
Title: Re: MLB Regular Season - 2005
Post by: JediMAC on October 7, 2005, 10:04 PM
I wish you'd left the Unit in.  >:(
Title: Re: MLB Regular Season - 2005
Post by: jokabofe on October 7, 2005, 10:05 PM
Where's the Los Angeles I mean Anaheim oops, I mean California - wherever they are now - Angels fans now?? All I hear is crickets from the West Coast... bitches.
Title: Re: MLB Regular Season - 2005
Post by: Holographic Elvis on October 7, 2005, 10:10 PM
SO glad Boston is done.  That will shut up all the Goddamn bandwagon Sox fans.
Title: Re: MLB Regular Season - 2005
Post by: Darth Kenobi on October 7, 2005, 10:13 PM
Lets go Angels

I'm glad Boston got swept. 

Now hoepfully my Angels can gain a few runs to bet the Yanks.
Title: Re: MLB Regular Season - 2005
Post by: Dressel Rebel on October 8, 2005, 12:30 AM
Well I see the Yankees are once again compelled to take the long adventurous route to the ALCS, and need to win back to back games now.  Big shocker there.
Title: Re: MLB Regular Season - 2005
Post by: JediMAC on October 8, 2005, 04:27 AM
Where's the Los Angeles I mean Anaheim oops, I mean California - wherever they are now - Angels fans now?? All I hear is crickets from the West Coast... bitches.

I trust that you posted that immediately following the fifth inning, Dave...?   :P



Chirp chirp.

Better?

Bitch.  :-*
Title: Re: MLB Regular Season - 2005
Post by: jokabofe on October 8, 2005, 11:53 PM
I trust that you posted that immediately following the fifth inning, Dave...?   :P



Chirp chirp.

Better?

Bitch.  :-*

Blah, blah, blah...
Title: Re: MLB Regular Season - 2005
Post by: jokabofe on October 9, 2005, 11:10 PM
Now what'cha got to say, bitch  :-*

Title: Re: MLB Regular Season - 2005
Post by: Dressel Rebel on October 9, 2005, 11:11 PM
Now what'cha got to say, bitch  :-*



Yanks ain't goin out like that!!  Game 5, here we come.
Title: Re: MLB Regular Season - 2005
Post by: Famine on October 9, 2005, 11:29 PM
Ah, Boston Yankees are the team that won't die. :o ;D

Kevin
Title: Re: MLB Regular Season - 2005
Post by: JesseVader08 on October 10, 2005, 02:10 AM
Houston beats Atlanta in 18 innings with a home run to win the series.

Now that was fun to watch.
Title: Re: MLB Regular Season - 2005
Post by: JediMAC on October 10, 2005, 08:09 PM
Houston beats Atlanta in 18 innings with a home run to win the series.

Now that was fun to watch.

Indeed.  That was a really great moment, and watching the 'Stros celebrate was great.  Hell, they were running up into the stands to hug their wives, jumping around like 10 year olds, everything.  Glad the pulled that one out, as I've been rooting for Houston all season (behind my ****** Dodgers, of course).  I'm a huge Rocket fan, and would love to see Bags and Biggio win it all (unless they come up against my Angels).  Great seeing Clemens redeem himself and get the win with 3 shutout innings in relief.  I was really hoping he'd hit the game winning homerun himself, for one of the alltime greatest moments ever.  He had a couple good hacks at it, but no joy.  But just one batter later...

As for the Angels, I'm really hoping that the home field advantage and Cy Young hopeful Colon will pull them through tonight.  Nervous time, for sure.  That all-star lineup the Yanks field is downright scary...  fingers crossed
Title: Re: MLB Regular Season - 2005
Post by: JediMAC on October 10, 2005, 08:46 PM
As for the Angels, I'm really hoping that ... Cy Young hopeful Colon will pull them through tonight.

So much for that... Heh.  ::)
Title: Re: MLB Regular Season - 2005
Post by: Rob on October 10, 2005, 08:58 PM
I turned the game on when Colon was leaving the field and then my girlfriend made me change the channel.  What happened?  Did he hurt himself?

(Go Yankees!)
Title: Re: MLB Regular Season - 2005
Post by: jokabofe on October 10, 2005, 10:40 PM
So, just how much DID you LA guys pay those Umpires tonight??  ::)
Title: Re: MLB Regular Season - 2005
Post by: JediMAC on October 10, 2005, 11:45 PM
The Angels luck against the Yankees is going to run out in this series...

Now what'cha got to say, bitch  :-*

 :-*



Now please continue with the futile umpiring rants, even though calls were blown big-time in both directions.  It's just that all the commentators (both when they were playing in NY and now here), are MASSIVELY baised in favor of the Yankess and will make as much a stink about anything potentially going against the Yankees as possible...  Absolutely disguesting commentating throughout the series.  Some of those guys should be fired.
Title: Re: MLB Regular Season - 2005
Post by: JohnH on October 10, 2005, 11:47 PM
Man, I sure am glad the White Sox won the other day.  The Yanks will have a much easier time against them in the ALCS.

Oh...wait a minute.....
Title: Re: MLB Regular Season - 2005
Post by: Scott on October 10, 2005, 11:49 PM
I really hope Houston or Saint Louis wins the Series because I hate the Angels and the White Sox...go NL!

I can't stand the Yanks though either...so I am glad they lost
Title: Re: MLB Regular Season - 2005
Post by: Matt on October 10, 2005, 11:53 PM
(http://images.richmond.com/images/storyimage/12-18-03champagne_story.jpg)

Here's to the highest-paid team in baseball.  May you all enjoy a peaceful and relaxing remainder of October.  And just think, now you'll be extra rested and ready for Spring Training!

Enjoy it, fellas.  We sure are.
Title: Re: MLB Regular Season - 2005
Post by: Darth Kenobi on October 11, 2005, 12:17 AM
Didn't get too see the game since I was working but ended up listening to it on the way home for the final outs.  I was a little scared when I took a break and listen to the game around 6 and heard the game was only in the second inning.  Once I heard the score through I was a little releive, Yanks up only by 2. 

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Now please continue with the futile umpiring rants, even though calls were blown big-time in both directions.  It's just that all the commentators (both when they were playing in NY and now here), are MASSIVELY baised in favor of the Yankess and will make as much a stink about anything potentially going against the Yankees as possible...  Absolutely disguesting commentating throughout the series.  Some of those guys should be fired.

Especially Joe Morgan on ESPN with his whole "He was clearing off the bag but I'm not agree with the call" in the third game of the series.  Both sides in each game had calls called in they favor that were not right but thats the way the game plays out.  I didn't see the questinable call in this game so I'm not going to decide if it was the right call or not until I see it.

Now Angels don't party too much tonight you have a game tommorrow.
Title: Re: MLB Regular Season - 2005
Post by: Mikey D on October 11, 2005, 09:22 AM
Other than this

(http://espn-i.starwave.com/media/apphoto/CAPAS10110110502.jpg)

this was my favorite moment of last night

(http://espn-i.starwave.com/media/apphoto/ANS12210110238.jpg)

Title: Re: MLB Regular Season - 2005
Post by: Dressel Rebel on October 11, 2005, 10:00 AM
Other than this


this was my favorite moment of last night




Yup, and the only people that  had a better view of that play than the people in R. field at the stadium were the Red Sox, who were home watching it on TV.

Let me be the first Yankee fan to say that this game last night was a total disgrace.  First of all, before that collision in R. field where apparently nobody felt they needed to call for the fly ball, Bernie Williams, a Yankee of 15 glorious years, missed the hit and run sign and Cano got thrown out at 2nd base.  That cost us a run because Cano would have come in with the Bubba Crosby single.  Then that abomination in R. field cost another 2 runs, and that was the 3 run swing that we needed to win: 1 on the missed hit and run sign, then 2 in R. field.

The Yankees played a sloppy series and deserved to lose.  They gave game 2 away entirely on errors - A Rod and Cano were awful.  A Rod was invisible at the plate.  The defense was atrocius.  Randy Johnson is washed up.

What a disgrace this was.
Title: Re: MLB Regular Season - 2005
Post by: Mikey D on October 11, 2005, 10:12 AM

Yup, and the only people that  had a better view of that play than the people in R. field at the stadium were the Red Sox, who were home watching it on TV.


Big ******* deal.  Your $200 million team of cheaters, users and all around ******** got themselves 2 more wins.  And now both teams will be home watching on TV.
Title: Re: MLB Regular Season - 2005
Post by: Dressel Rebel on October 11, 2005, 10:16 AM

Yup, and the only people that  had a better view of that play than the people in R. field at the stadium were the Red Sox, who were home watching it on TV.


Big ******* deal.  Your $200 million team of cheaters, users and all around ******** got themselves 2 more wins.  And now both teams will be home watching on TV.

Wow, you're pretty worked up.

You should read the rest of my post.  While I don't think they were cheaters, users, or whatever that obscentity is that you used, I certainly think the Yankees sucked and played abhorently.
Title: Re: MLB Regular Season - 2005
Post by: Mikey D on October 11, 2005, 10:49 AM
Worked up?  Hardly.  Disappointed?  Yes.

As for the obscenity, turn off the filter and you'll see it just fine.
Title: Re: MLB Regular Season - 2005
Post by: John C on October 11, 2005, 09:30 PM
The Angels luck against the Yankees is going to run out in this series...

Now what'cha got to say, bitch  :-*

 :-*



Now please continue with the futile umpiring rants, even though calls were blown big-time in both directions.  It's just that all the commentators (both when they were playing in NY and now here), are MASSIVELY baised in favor of the Yankess and will make as much a stink about anything potentially going against the Yankees as possible...  Absolutely disguesting commentating throughout the series.  Some of those guys should be fired.

The FOX announcers are some of the worst announcers there are no matter what the sport.  It won't get any better from here on out with that talentless hack Joe Buck in the booth.  I wish Vin Scully and Bob Uecker would do national stuff.  I could listen to those guys all season.  Jim Kaat was really good when the Twins had him.  He would be another good choice.  Announcers are all flash and no substance now IMO.  Sports Center and Chris Berman are to blame.  They detract from and distract viewers from the game.  Sorry for the rant. 
No Yankees and no Braves=a World Series I will watch.  No offense to fans of those teams intended, I just like seeing a few different teams in the playoffs each year. 
Title: Re: MLB Regular Season - 2005
Post by: JediMAC on October 13, 2005, 03:13 AM
I think I'm going to be sick.

What happened in tonight's Angel game is a big reason why my sports fanaticism has decreased drastically over the past decade.  When the players on the field/court/rink don't decide the outcome of a game, there's something seriously wrong.  If the Angels don't win this series, I'm going to be beyond pissed off, since they very well might've had a 2-0 leading heading home.  What a travisty.  And to watch the umpire crew sit there and spin it during their ridiculous press conference afterwards was beyond pathetic.  "Hey, we watched the replays multiple times, and we definitely got it right since the ball changed directions."  Every single one of them, on the field and afterwards, agreed with the call.  Meanwhile, no one else in the entire country did - Angel fan or not.  What a joke.  A truly disgusting joke.  ::)

And if one ******* Yankee fan pipes up with anything along the lines of "that was karma for the similar play against us", then I'll seriously fly off the handle since the two plays were not even remotely alike.

First the "Snowjob" against the Raiders in the Conference Finals against the Pats several years back, and now this...  Makes me seriously sick to my stomach, and embarrassed to be a sports/baseball fan right now.

Where the hell is instant replay in baseball?!?  Get with the time you idiots.  You obviously need it if 6 different umpires on the field all make, or agree with, the absolutely wrong call.  And guess what, I'd be almost this pissed off if the same thing happened to any other team besides mine.  I HATE **** like this, no matter who it happens to...  >:(
Title: Re: MLB Regular Season - 2005
Post by: Dressel Rebel on October 13, 2005, 03:37 AM
You can't ever complain about an umpiring call being the reason why you lost.  Had the Angels scored a couple more runs it wouldn't have even mattered.  You win some umpiring calls, you lose some umpiring calls.  Plenty of calls broke in the Angels favor in the Yankees series, and I didn't hear any Angels fans complaining about the officiating then.  If the Angels won, it was a non-issue.  It's only now that one didn't go the Angels way that the crying starts.  That's the way karma works for the way umps called stuff in the Yankee series.  The umps got this one right.
Title: Re: MLB Regular Season - 2005
Post by: JediMAC on October 13, 2005, 05:29 AM
You can't ever complain about an umpiring call being the reason why you lost.  Had the Angels scored a couple more runs it wouldn't have even mattered.  You win some umpiring calls, you lose some umpiring calls.  Plenty of calls broke in the Angels favor in the Yankees series, and I didn't hear any Angels fans complaining about the officiating then.  If the Angels won, it was a non-issue.  It's only now that one didn't go the Angels way that the crying starts.  That's the way karma works for the way umps called stuff in the Yankee series.  The umps got this one right.

The umps got this one right?!  Dude, you're seriously a total idiot then.  Or a very bitter liar.  Or as completely blind as the 6 umps on the field.  Take your pick.  Pathetic, Matt.  Seriously.  That one comment there shows me exactly why you have so many problems in the Fantasy threads here.

But maybe you didn't hear me.  Spewing that karma bull**** with respect to the similar play in the Yankees series is just that - bull****.  You're damned right I can complain that this is the reason that the Angels lost tonight!  You can't be serious about that, right?  That was the THIRD OUT in the bottom of the ninth inning.  They should've been going into extra innings after that, instead of having the very next batter come up and win the game for the Sox.  Sure, the Sox may have won the game in extra innings, but they sure as **** shouldn't have won it in regulation.  Only a dumbass bitter Yankees fan would claim some nonsense BS like that, and you did so exactly as I predicted.  ::)

If umpires make bad calls throughout games/seasons, then why has every media outlet across the country been saying all night long that this is one of the worst calls in the history of baseball, which will lead towards a strong push for, and the likely implementation of, video replay in the majors.  No one said that **** after the Yankees series.  At all.  This call was slightly bigger than the average blown call, of which there are many during games and seasons, no doubt.  Have you watched ESPN, or any other sports news, at all tonight?

But to blow this off as some average blown call is pure horse****, and tells me you don't know nearly as much about the game as you claim.  You think this is just a bitter Angels' fan complaining here?  No.  Like I said, I'm INFURIATED whenever something like this happens to any team, and a game isn't decided by the players on the field - regardless of whether one of my teams is involved, or not.  I'm sorry your Yankees sucked in the postseason again, but that doesn't mean that any team that plays them and beats them has karma working against them.  You don't think there were blown calls in favor of the Yankees in the last series?!?  ****, I could list at least 5.  You had ONE remotely questionable call go against you, for a runner running INSIDE the baselines, which is AGAINST the rules.  I assume you did see the replay on that, right?  Tonight's strikeout (and subsequent catch) was a hundred times more obvious than the similar play in the Yankees series.

Not to mention you guys didn't have to face our Cy Young probable pitcher, or our number 3 pitcher, both due to injuries and illnesses.  Not to mention your team has the luxury of fielding a $200 million+ lineup of all-stars.  If that's not enough to beat anyone, then you guys have a serious problem, and it's not the umpires making one call against you.  Hell, you guys should've been winning every single game 11-5 with that team.  Why they didn't, I have no idea.  But as I was forced to learn the hard way when my Lakers got waxed by the Pistons 2 years ago, the best individual talent does not always win out.

But you've really shown me a lot with that comment about the umps getting this one right.  You know what?  I think everyone at JD has gotten something else right, and that's that when it comes to sports, you can be a completely classless moronic *******.

Like I said, don't get me started...

- M
Title: Re: MLB Regular Season - 2005
Post by: Ryan on October 13, 2005, 06:29 AM
I'm just glad the Yankees and the Red Sox got eliminated, they are easily my least favorite teams in baseball and are right up there on my list of least favorite teams in any sport.

As for the Angels/Sox game tonight....

The Angels got SCREWED. That was eaily one of the worst calls I have seen in any sport. The umpire clearly called the batter out. That's the kind of **** they need replay reviews for. Just to be clear I'm not even an Angels fan, if anything I want the Sox in the Series more than the Angels. Of course there are bad calls in any sport on any given day, but this was one of the worst I have ever seen. It was an absolutely pathetic call. That umpire should never set foot on an MLB field again, because he clearly signalled the out and then once the guy was on base, he denied ever making the call.

That being said one call like that doesn't make a game. It wasn't the reason the Angels lost. It certainly contributed to it, but it wasn't the sole reason. If the Angels had had some better offense earlier in the game it wouldn't have been as big of an issue. That doesn't change the fact is was an absolutely ****** call though.






Go Rockies. :-*
Title: Re: MLB Regular Season - 2005
Post by: John C on October 13, 2005, 09:32 AM
I don't care for the Angels, but I hate to see a team lose due to a blown call.  That sucks, man.
Title: Re: MLB Regular Season - 2005
Post by: Jeff on October 13, 2005, 09:50 AM
Yeah, I agree that the Angels got the screw job on that call.  "Changed direction" my ass.  I didn't see any angle that lead me to believe the ball hit the ground.  :-\

Maybe the Angels wouldn't have won the game anyway, but they sure deserved to go to the top of the tenth to give it a try...
Title: Re: MLB Regular Season - 2005
Post by: Dressel Rebel on October 13, 2005, 10:49 AM
My whole point here is that umpires get stuff right and wrong all season long, some break your way, others break the other team's way.  Any call in any game in any regular season or playoff game can make or break you.  This call in the Angels game is no different than one in say game 45 of the regular season that broke against, I dunno, say the Marlins, costing the game and the 1 game in the standings that kept them out of the playoffs.  There's no difference.  You can't come in here Colman and start bitching about one call in this game and claim you got screwed, and not bring up the other 300 questionable umpiring calls throughout the season, 1/2 of which broke your way.

The Angels lost, if they did some things better in the game, they wouldn't have had to worry about that call.
Title: Re: MLB Regular Season - 2005
Post by: JediMAC on October 13, 2005, 06:00 PM
You can't come in here Colman and start bitching about one call in this game and claim you got screwed, and not bring up the other 300 questionable umpiring calls throughout the season, 1/2 of which broke your way.

Then why is that one call the the leading story throughout the sports world right now, with talk of rule changes, instant replay changes, umpire changes, etc.  It's the playoffs, and things are highly magnified right now.  Get a clue.

That umpire screwed that play up in so many different ways:

1.  Blew the call.  The ball was caught.  It didn't bounce, and it was not dropped.
2.  He gave the "out" signal with his fist, which everyone (players, coaches, media) all say was the "Third Out" signal - not the "Third Strike" signal.
3.  He never verbalized "No catch!  No catch!" to the catcher (and batter), as he's supposed to in that situation.

So the guy screwed it up on every possible level, and then looked like a complete ass trying to explain it (along with his pals) in the press conference afterwards.  Hey, do they have press conferences throughout the regular season too when calls are blown?  Apparently they do, since all blown calls are created equal, right?  Yeah, whatever.

So, you're still sticking to your guns and saying that was the correct call, Matt?  Or are you going to actually be honest and say that you just said that because you were still bitter and jaded over the Yankees loss, and were trying to be a prick and start some **** in here?  If you really think that was the correct call, then you're more of a fool than the umps, since you've had the benefit of seeing the replay a million and one times by now...

- M
Title: Re: MLB Regular Season - 2005
Post by: Dressel Rebel on October 13, 2005, 06:25 PM
Dude, you're seriously a total idiot then. 

Only a dumbass bitter Yankees fan would claim some nonsense BS like that, and you did so exactly as I predicted.  ::)

you can be a completely classless moronic *******.


- M

Matt -

I have a right to come in here and express my opinion.  If I believe in the call, then I believe in the call.  It's easy for all these monday morning quarterbacks to doubt a call that took a split second to make during a game.

And with all your swearing and namecalling, you're worse than Philip.  And you're a moderator Matt.

If I liked the umps call, I can log in here and say that, and I shouldn't have a moderator like you fire a profanity-laced tirade at me for it. 

My post on this topic contained no namecalling or profanity of any kind.

And I do believe in an umpire's on-the-spot call-making ability.  Whatever they say goes, they were standing right there when it happened.  You win some, you lose some.  You're acting like this was the first time you watched a baseball game.  I've seen this 100 times.
Title: Re: MLB Regular Season - 2005
Post by: JediMAC on October 13, 2005, 06:49 PM
Heh.  Whatever Matt.  I've seen that identical rhetoric from you a hundred times when you complain to all the moderators about anyone and everyone who's "not nice" to you in the forums.  Guess what?  You can swear here.

I'm also saying your "opinion" is actually a lie, and not really some random "opinion" on something.  That's why I now believe everyone else in these forums who's constantly questioning your integrity and honesty about things.  Guess what?  Yep, they're right.

BTW, tell me something, what's your "opinion" of the "Jeffrey Maier incident" in Game 1 of the 1996 ALCS?  Just your average blown call, right?  ::)

You can say whatever stupid **** you can think of, like this "is the first baseball game I've ever watched".  Grade school bull**** like that doesn't bother me.  It just makes you look like an idiot.  I'm also enjoying watching you dance around my questions of whether you truly believed that call was correct.  You're acting just like the umps did after the game.  Amusing.  I don't care about this "on the spot" call.  I want to know what you thought of the call after you saw the replay 100 times.  You said they got it right.  I say you're just being a petty, bitter, jaded prick when you say that.

Now please go report me to the moderators here and ask to have me banned, like you did when Scott questioned your integrity...  :P

- M
Title: Re: MLB Regular Season - 2005
Post by: Dressel Rebel on October 13, 2005, 07:06 PM
Heh.  Whatever Matt.  I've seen that identical rhetoric from you a hundred times when you complain to all the moderators about anyone and everyone who's "not nice" to you in the forums.  Guess what?  You can swear here.

I'm also saying your "opinion" is actually a lie, and not really some random "opinion" on something.  That's why I now believe everyone else in these forums who's constantly questioning your integrity and honesty about things.  Guess what?  Yep, they're right.

BTW, tell me something, what's your "opinion" of the "Jeffrey Maier incident" in Game 1 of the 1996 ALCS?  Just your average blown call, right?  ::)

You can say whatever stupid **** you can think of, like this "is the first baseball game I've ever watched".  Grade school ******** like that doesn't bother me.  It just makes you look like an idiot.  I'm also enjoying watching you dance around my questions of whether you truly believed that call was correct.  You're acting just like the umps did after the game.  Amusing.  I don't care about this "on the spot" call.  I want to know what you thought of the call after you saw the replay 100 times.  You said they got it right.  I say you're just being a petty, bitter, jaded prick when you say that.

Now please go report me to the moderators here and ask to have me banned, like you did when Scott questioned your integrity...  :P

- M

I refuse to argue with you over this.  I have no problem with the umps call in that game, and if we're going to refute that call, then the same thing should be done for every umpiring call this season, some of which allowed or disallowed teams to get to the playoffs in the first place.  It's only now that your precious Angels caught one on the chin that you raise this issue.

And Matt, a lot of teams should suck like the Yankees do.  They've been to the playoffs for 10 straight seasons, and won 4 championships.  That's more than I can say for those whining baby Angels.
Title: Re: MLB Regular Season - 2005
Post by: Dressel Rebel on October 13, 2005, 07:16 PM

3.  He never verbalized "No catch!  No catch!" to the catcher (and batter), as he's supposed to in that situation.

I think you need to check this, as it is not required as per the MLB rulebook.
Title: Re: MLB Regular Season - 2005
Post by: JediMAC on October 13, 2005, 11:16 PM

3.  He never verbalized "No catch!  No catch!" to the catcher (and batter), as he's supposed to in that situation.

I think you need to check this, as it is not required as per the MLB rulebook.

I'm well aware of that.  But all the umpires in the major leagues do it anyway.  Eddings said he didn't do it last night on that play, but should have.

Thanks for the clarification on the Yankees there.  I had no idea they were so good of late, since I don't know anything about sports at all.  Please, if you've got any other brilliant insight into the sporting world, or helpful information like that, please LMK.  Thanks, 4-LOSW Jr.

- M
Title: Re: MLB Regular Season - 2005
Post by: Dressel Rebel on October 14, 2005, 05:39 AM

3.  He never verbalized "No catch!  No catch!" to the catcher (and batter), as he's supposed to in that situation.

I think you need to check this, as it is not required as per the MLB rulebook.

I'm well aware of that.  But all the umpires in the major leagues do it anyway. 

No, you weren't well aware of that, because in your original post as you can see above next to #3, you stated "as he's supposed to in that situation". 

And he is not supposed to in that situation Matt, it is not a rule.  Sometimes umps do offer that up as a courtesy, but he is not "supposed to" as you originally claimed. 

It's time to get over it.  The ump made an on the spot call in a split second, and that's how baseball goes.  You can sit around and watch an instant replay 100 times and say how "wrong" the ump was, but you better sit around and review every single play: every catch, every tag, every check swing, in the series, because there are a lot of close ones that go on during the game, some were right and some were wrong, some break for your Angels and some don't.  And all of them contrbute to who wins and who loses, not just the one call at the end of the game that you're blaming the Angels latest loss on.

And if that call went for the Angels instead of against them, you wouldn't be sitting around here like you were drunk on a bar stool cursing at someone who disagrees with you about the call. 
Title: Re: MLB Regular Season - 2005
Post by: Jesse James on October 14, 2005, 06:56 AM
I don't necessarilly agree that citing a bad call is basically irrelevant, especially at key moments which they do tend to get more focus then.  I think MAC's got a legitimate beef with the call...  But you're right DR that it's one of many questionable calls and that's in any sport really but Baseball it's worse I believe.

But I tend to agree with MAC's point of view when it comes to this general debate in sports (and it comes up almost every playoff for every major sport I think).  And there's the question of "questionable calls" and "judgment calls" by the officiating and there's some real grey area there...  To me this is where the main argument in MAC's favor comes into play because while replay's aren't the thing in baseball, the highlights I saw of this bad call were really a GOOD argument for replays being allowed and where an ump's very possibly using his judgment only to decide the game...  It's the rule though, no doubt, and I agree it wouldn't have necessarilly decided the game to the Angel's favor (or against it) but it certainly has to be frustrating for the Angel's fans that a bad call is that final nail in a game.  Maybe the golden nail too...

The argument of officiating in any sport is a valid one though I think.  I know it was a hot debate after the Steelers game Monday, and people were citing the bad calls for and against both teams...  and that wasn't anything to do with playoffs or anything.  Maybe I just travel in some really deep football circles but I know it was a hot topic around the water cooler and people were citing the calls that DID go to SD as well as those that hurt them and the ones that went for or against the Steelers too.

To me I'd be upset at a win if my team got it via a horrible call...  A win is a win they say, but there's been times even when I played a sport where a bad call in my team's favor took some of the umph out of a win...  Not enough for me not to celebrate with the team of course.   ;D
Title: Re: MLB Regular Season - 2005
Post by: Chris M on October 14, 2005, 08:44 AM
I agree that the umpire blew the call and unfortunately for the Angels, it put the winning run on 1st.  However, over the course of a 162 game season, plus playoffs, the umpires get it right 99% of the time.  From the angle of the umpire, it couldn't tell if the ball bounced or not...I give him that, he can check with the infield umpires on that, but they clearly deferred the call to home plate on consultation.  As a baseball fan, I hate seeing this happen to any team...even if it had been the Yankees.

The problem to me lies with the umpire giving the out signal as he had been doing all night long on both third strikes and outs.  That to me was a bad call by the umpire.  But, had the Angels hit the ball a little better, or had Mark Buerhle (sp?) not been in the groove as he was, the 9th inning strikeout wouldn't have mattered.  Although the call was blown, this is one of the things that makes baseball interesting to me.  The human error factor can change the direction of a game.

I hope my points here didn't sound like someone rambling on.
Title: Re: MLB Regular Season - 2005
Post by: JediMAC on October 14, 2005, 10:32 AM

3.  He never verbalized "No catch!  No catch!" to the catcher (and batter), as he's supposed to in that situation.

I think you need to check this, as it is not required as per the MLB rulebook.

I'm well aware of that.  But all the umpires in the major leagues do it anyway. 

No, you weren't well aware of that, because in your original post as you can see above next to #3, you stated "as he's supposed to in that situation". 

And he is not supposed to in that situation Matt, it is not a rule.  Sometimes umps do offer that up as a courtesy, but he is not "supposed to" as you originally claimed. 

Don't tell me what I do and don't know, you idiot.  Like I said, I'm WELL AWARE of the rule.  Unlike you, I don't lie.  They've been talking about the rule since the night it happened, and I've seen it quoted 20 times by now, jackass.

But at the same time, they've also been mentioning that it's become standard practice for all umps to call "No catch!  No catch!" if there's any question at all, which this clown didn't do in this situation, even though he said he did it at an earlier point in the game.  Is that in the rule book?  No.  Do all Major League umps do it, and the catchers expect it?  Yes.  Any chance you wrap your 4-LOSW brain around that?

So shut up, you prick.  Now go make up some more stories.  Tell us more about how the ump made the absolutely correct call here, 'cause that's my favorite one...

At this point, I'm over the call.  What I'm not over is your continued idiocy in the Sports Forum here at JD, but considering everyone here has come to expect this of you, thanks for maintaining your stellar reputation.  You're pathetic.
Title: Re: MLB Regular Season - 2005
Post by: Mikey D on October 14, 2005, 10:48 AM
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Title: Re: MLB Regular Season - 2005
Post by: Famine on October 14, 2005, 11:39 AM
Are we forgetting that baseball is just a game?

Kevin
Title: Re: MLB Regular Season - 2005
Post by: Rob on October 14, 2005, 12:10 PM
Angels got screwed out of the chance to win that game in extra innings - end of story.  Everyone in the country except Dressel seems to agree.

The argument that the Angels didn't do enough to overcome that only holds a little water since the White Sox didn't do enough to win without that either - they did do enough, to get the opportunity to win that game in the 10th or 11th or 20th.

I feel bad for the Ump.
Title: Re: MLB Regular Season - 2005
Post by: Cory Chaos on October 14, 2005, 12:48 PM
Are we forgetting that baseball is just a game?

Kevin

(http://us.movies1.yimg.com/movies.yahoo.com/images/hv/photo/movie_pix/twentieth_century_fox/fever_pitch/jimmy_fallon/feverpitch1.jpg)

"He said...it's a crying shame and..erhm..start moving towards the door.."
Title: Re: MLB Regular Season - 2005
Post by: JediMAC on October 14, 2005, 01:29 PM
BTW, in the heat of this discussion I think I've failed to point out that I think that Josh Paul (the Angels third string catcher) totally ****** up, and is also an idiot.  Even though he obviously caught the ball, and the ump called the batter out, he should've definitely done what every other catcher in the majors does when there's even the slightest hint of question - just tag the batter in the ass while he's standing right next to you.  Sure, the ball was caught.  But it's momentum did barely push Paul's mitt into the dirt, so it's best just to play it safe and not rely on the ump to make the correct call.

Players in any sport should never rely on the ump/ref/whoever to make the right call, if there's something they can do just to make sure he can't screw it up.  Like in the NBA when an opposing player has clearly hit a ball that is going out of bounds, don't just let it go out of bounds if you can grab it, since you just never know what kind of bizarre **** is going through a ref's mind.  Play it safe and take the call out of his hands, if possible, which is what Josh Paul should've done in that game regardless of the fact that the batter was already out.

Scioscia screwed up badly by having Paul in there in the first place.  Sticking a journeyman third-string catcher into his first ever playoff game like that in the bottom of the ninth is just dumb.  But before Dressell comes charging back in here to explain exactly how and why that move transpired, again, I'm well aware of how Scioscia got to the point that he felt the need to stick him in the game.  Granted me saying that "I'm well aware" of something actually means that I have no idea what I'm talking about, according to Dressell, so who knows what nonsense he'll come up with next...
Title: Re: MLB Regular Season - 2005
Post by: sfg on October 14, 2005, 04:24 PM
 :)
Title: Re: MLB Regular Season - 2005
Post by: JediMAC on October 14, 2005, 05:08 PM
See?!  Even sfg agrees with me!!   >:(

 :P
Title: Re: MLB Regular Season - 2005
Post by: JesseVader08 on October 14, 2005, 05:45 PM
This is why Canadians prefer hockey - much less violent.   :P
Title: Re: MLB Regular Season - 2005
Post by: DSJ™ on October 14, 2005, 08:37 PM
This thread is locked. If you have a complaint about that, you know were I am!  >:(
Title: Re: MLB Regular Season - 2005
Post by: JediMAC on October 15, 2005, 01:45 AM
Just for some further clarification here, it appears that Dressel posted some ridiculously juvenile insults in here, with a rather lame picture to go with them, which had nothing at all to do with this thread.  It has since been removed (I wasn't even around, so I had nothing to do with it personally, as I'm sure Dressel will claim).  EDIT:  Actually, it appears that perhaps Dressel deleted it himself, now that I've reviewed the deleted post and it's properties in our archive.  So that (now missing) post is why Dale ultimately locked the thread here.

Anyway, we're going to take a short breather for a little while 'til a couple of us settle down a bit.  We'll try to resume in time for tomorrow's games though...

That said, brilliant freakin' game by the Halos tonight.  Way to bounce back fellas.  ::)

- Matt

EDIT:  Unlocked.  Let's see if we fare any better this time...
Title: Re: MLB Regular Season - 2005
Post by: Matt on October 16, 2005, 12:52 PM
Go Sox, go 'Stros.



(Say, when's the regular season over?)
Title: Re: MLB Regular Season - 2005
Post by: JesseVader08 on October 16, 2005, 01:18 PM
(When's the regular season over?)

Good question.   :P
Title: Re: MLB Regular Season - 2005
Post by: Matt on October 16, 2005, 01:27 PM
Good question.   :P

Messing around with font sizes is funnnnnnnn.
Title: Re: MLB Playoffs - 2005
Post by: Holographic Elvis on October 16, 2005, 11:48 PM
Congratulations to my former teammate Aaron Rowand on going to the World Series and having a chance to win a ring.
Title: Re: MLB Playoffs - 2005
Post by: JohnH on October 17, 2005, 12:20 AM
Despite the fact that I'm not much of an Ozzie Guillen fan (though I will say he's growing on me ;)), I have to say that I'm stoked to see the Sox make the world series!  I still hope the Cards can pull it off against the Astros, but either way I think we're going to see some of the best-pitched World Series games in years.

Two side notes though:

1)  The officiating has sucked throughout the playoffs.  I don't know if the umps are just worn out, but there have been a *lot* of bad calls and premature calls that have caused some tension between coaches players and fans, both in the ALCS and NLCS.  I hope the WS isn't riddled with that stigma.

2)  While Konerko had a good series against LA, I was a bit surprised to see Crede not win the ALCS MVP.  Konerko had the notable home runs, but Crede hit two himself and seemed to *always* deliver the right hit at the right time.  I think he got hosed.

John
Title: Re: MLB Playoffs - 2005
Post by: CorranHorn on October 17, 2005, 01:35 AM
SOX Win The Pennant, The SOX Win the Pennant, wooooooooooooooooo!

This just a great moment for me, its unbelievable, I can only hope it can extend to that next level. Words just can't describe the excitement and anticipation, just WOW will do.
Title: Re: MLB Playoffs - 2005
Post by: SpudTrooper on October 17, 2005, 01:55 AM
oh Angels  :'(

Title: Re: MLB Playoffs - 2005
Post by: Darth Broem on October 17, 2005, 08:01 PM
Congrats CorranHorn.  As a Cubs fan (sigh) I can only imagine how unbelievably happy you must be.  Enjoy it and be glad your team did not choke away a 3-1 lead.  I actually am pretty happy for the White Sox.  It's nice to see a Chicago team from any sport do well.  Excluding the Bulls run with Jordan not much ever happens as far as title chances go. 

 I got a bit of a grudge against Ozzie souly on this choke sign to the Cub fan in 03, but he does get his team to play very well.  Unlike a certain manager for the Cubbies :( 

I can't believe what Houston is doing.  I thought for sure St Louis would not have much problem with Houston because their offense is supposed to so bad.  Ha-ha!  Good pitching stops good hitting as they say. 
Title: Re: MLB Playoffs - 2005
Post by: Scott on October 17, 2005, 11:50 PM
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Title: Re: MLB Playoffs - 2005
Post by: JohnH on October 17, 2005, 11:54 PM
Unreal!!  When Lidge came in and threw his first pitch - a 97mph heater that looked like 180mph - I didn't think the Cards would even make contact, let alone anyone would hit a ball 450 feet.  Freakin' fantastic!!!  :) 

So it's back to St. Louis.  Let's hope they can give Busch Stadium one last hurrah.  (Then get beaten by the Sox in the WS).  ;)

John
Title: Re: MLB Playoffs - 2005
Post by: Chris M on October 18, 2005, 06:57 AM
I was so excited watching the 'Stros mount their comeback.  Like John, I didn't think STL would be able to do anything.  Then a couple of baserunner's later I started to worry a bit.

Then the commentators start talking (like they always do, just shut the **** up so I can watch the game without your ******* rambling!!), the mentioned giving Pujols a diet of sliders.  What the hell!!!!  You can't go up there and throw the same pitch every time.  The hitter will get his timing down and then hit a majestic blast, just like Pujols did.  Lidge needed to throw slider, fastball, then changeup on consecutive pitches to throw off the hitter's timing.

But the Astros are throwing Oswalt tomorrow and Clemens on Thursday, so there is still hope to see a World Series game in Texas.  Too bad it's not my Rangers.
Title: Re: MLB Playoffs - 2005
Post by: CHEWIE on October 18, 2005, 11:18 AM
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 :P
Title: Re: MLB Playoffs - 2005
Post by: John C on October 18, 2005, 08:15 PM
That HR could be something that kills the Astros.  Plays like that often do in the postseason.  They have great pitching, though, they'll be fine if they can put that hit behind them.
Title: Re: MLB Playoffs - 2005
Post by: Darby on October 18, 2005, 11:39 PM
I think just the psychological impact is devastating.  It happened with the Cubs back in '03.  Steve Bartman had little to do with the total collapse in Game 6 (they were five outs away) as much as they let his stupidity get to them.  Today all the sports shows were saying how the series was essentially over - they were replaying every flame out in baseball history and if I were the Astro's, I'd be pissed enough to go out there and prove them wrong.
Title: Re: MLB Playoffs - 2005
Post by: CorranHorn on October 19, 2005, 12:45 AM
Congrats CorranHorn.  As a Cubs fan (sigh) I can only imagine how unbelievably happy you must be.  Enjoy it and be glad your team did not choke away a 3-1 lead.  I actually am pretty happy for the White Sox.  It's nice to see a Chicago team from any sport do well.  Excluding the Bulls run with Jordan not much ever happens as far as title chances go. 

 I got a bit of a grudge against Ozzie souly on this choke sign to the Cub fan in 03, but he does get his team to play very well.  Unlike a certain manager for the Cubbies :( 

I can't believe what Houston is doing.  I thought for sure St Louis would not have much problem with Houston because their offense is supposed to so bad.  Ha-ha!  Good pitching stops good hitting as they say. 

Thanks Broem, it's an unbelievable time here in Chicagoland. We still have the Cubs fans who hate the Sox more than they love the Cubs being all bitter about whats going on, but screw em. I'm actually a fan of the Cubs as well, and would be almost as happy to see them in the World Series. I say almost because the Sox always came first in my household growing up, but the Cubbies are right there.

Ozzie's personality can rub people the wrong way, but he does go out there and tell it like it is. Not like Dusty Baker, who will blame everyone but himself. Hopefully, he won't be around too much longer on the north side.
Title: Re: MLB Playoffs - 2005
Post by: Scott on October 19, 2005, 11:39 PM
Go Astros!  Also, Kudos to yours truly for picking them to reach said set of games back in March

I also went 3 for 4 in each league, not too shabby

Scott's Picks for 2005:

AL East - New York
AL Central - Minnesota 
AL West - LA ::)
Wild Card - Boston

NL East - Atlanta
NL Central - Houston
NL West - San Francisco
Wild Card - Saint Louis

ALCS - New York vs. Minnesota
NLCS - Atlanta vs. Houston

World Series - New York over Houston

I like the Twins this year but for some reason I'm more worried about the White Sox and Indians than I normally have been.  THe Central will be a lot tougher than it has been in the past.

Also, the NL Central continues to be amazing, there are a legitimate 4 contenders in there which says something.  I'm picking Houston in the hopes Berkman and Pettite come back to form some time

I'm also banking on Bonds coming back (hopefully by June so I can see him play the Twinkees@ the Dome)
Title: Re: MLB Playoffs - 2005
Post by: John C on October 20, 2005, 09:36 AM
I guess the Astros stepped up and put that HR behind them.  I like seeing teams in the World Series that either have never been in it or haven't won it in a long time.  I don't really care who wins, I just hope it's a good one.
Title: Re: MLB Regular Season - 2005
Post by: Mikey D on October 20, 2005, 10:27 AM


My playoff predictions.  And as much as I want a repeat, I don't see it happening.  The Sox pitching, especially the bullpen, is horrible.  I don't see them slugging their way to another WS.

ALDS
Red Sox over White Sox
Angels over Yankees

NLDS
Cards over Padres
Braves over Astros (although I wouldn't be surprised if the Astros won - Clemens, Pettite and Oswalt in a short series is rough)

ALCS
Angels over Red Sox (I wish it was the other way around, but I'm a realist)

NLCS
Cards over Braves

WS
IMO, the two most complete teams - pitching, offense and defense - in the Majors make it.
Cards over Angels



Apparently, I'm no Warlord of Sports Betting.  I had both of the WS teams losing in the first round.  Admittingly, one pick was done with my heart, but that's pathetic.

Should be a good Series.  I don't really care who wins, I just want to see some good baseball.
Title: Re: MLB Playoffs - 2005
Post by: Dressel Rebel on October 20, 2005, 01:27 PM
I would think that the Astros have the edge here in a 7 game set, because they will be throwing Roger Clemens and Andy Pettitte twice each, both are playoff hardened, plus Oswalt twice who's no slouch by any stretch of the imagination.  This will probably be a see saw back and forth series that goes 6 or 7 games, neither offense is ultra impressive, and you gotta give the 'stros an edge with their starting pitching and closer Lidge, who is probably the best in baseball with Gagne and Rivera.

I guess I'll say 'stros in 6.
Title: Re: MLB Playoffs - 2005
Post by: Holographic Elvis on October 20, 2005, 09:46 PM
This could end up being a very slow, low-scoring series dominated by pitching. 

I'm gonna say it goes 7 games. 
Title: Re: MLB Regular Season - 2005
Post by: Matt on October 21, 2005, 05:20 AM
Should be a good Series.  I don't really care who wins, I just want to see some good baseball.
.

I'm the same way.  Unless it's one of my hated teams (the Yanks, the Rangers, or the Braves), I usually don't care who wins--just want to see good ball, hopefully going seven games.

Typically, I'll root for whoever won the Series last, but that doesn't really apply in this situation since one team hasn't won it in over eighty years, and the other team hasn't ever been there before.

I guess, since I have a dislike of anything having to do with the state of Texas, that ultimately, I'll be rooting for the White Sox in the Series.

Plus, Cubs fans annoy me, and I think it'd be funny to see what they'd do if the 'Sox won the big one before their beloved Cubbies did. . .
Title: Re: MLB Playoffs - 2005
Post by: Chris M on October 21, 2005, 06:51 AM
Have you ever been to Texas for an extended period?

That's also pretty narrow minded don't you think?
Title: Re: MLB Playoffs - 2005
Post by: Matt on October 21, 2005, 06:49 PM
Have you ever been to Texas for an extended period?

Not sure what qualifies as an "extended period," but I've been in Texas dozens of times in my life--enough to know that I don't relish the thought of going back any time soon.

Quote
That's also pretty narrow minded don't you think?

Oh, definitely!

Do I care?  Nope.

But thanks for your "input."  Let's get back on topic.
Title: Re: MLB Playoffs - 2005
Post by: Chris M on October 24, 2005, 06:59 AM
And another night with a blatanly bad call that turned the tide of the game.

I'm hoping this off season that MLB will do something about adding an instant replay.  Something like the NFL were another member of the umpiring crew can call down to the field on close calls.  That's at least twice that a blatant screw up has gone in favor of the Chi Sox. 

I know the next pitch to Konerko could have been differnt, or whatever, but we still got a completely blown call.  I also don't think this time it's really anyone's fault other than the umpire.  Jermaine Dye even acted confused when he was awarded first.  Come on umps, get a clue!!!!  Don't make such an important call, late in the game, so quickly.
Title: Re: MLB Playoffs - 2005
Post by: Matt on October 26, 2005, 03:22 PM
No comments on the longest game in World Series history?

Man alive.

I missed the first three innings, then fell asleep somewhere around the fifth, woke up around the eighth, and still had a good two hours of ball left.

I was hoping for good baseball, and this has been good ball, but it looks like the Sox might wrap it up tonight.  I guess I should qualify that statement--I was hoping for good ball that went at least six games, preferably seven.  Make it interesting.  These World Series sweeps are for the birds. 

So, I'm temporarily pulling for the Astros tonight, and for the next two after that, if necessary.

Maybe the Ghost of Shoeless Joe can come back from Iowa and help the Sox throw a couple of games to give the Series some much-needed drama. . .
Title: Re: MLB Playoffs - 2005
Post by: CorranHorn on October 26, 2005, 07:02 PM
Last night's game was unbelievable. I had to work overnight, so I left after the top of the 9th. Got to work during the bottom of the 10th and had a TV there with the game on. I got busy at the office, so I sorta stopped paying attention to the game, then suddenly Blum hits the homer and my head snapped towards the TV. Such excitement coming from yet another member of the Sox. Hopefully, in a few hours this will be over and history will have been made.

Chris: I do agree that there has been some blatantly screwed up calls, but last night's game has shown that they're actually going both ways (the home run that wasn't a home run, Dye getting hit by a pitch but it wasn't called, potential fan interference, and potential runner interference), it all depends on who takes advantage of the umps mistakes. Thankfully the Sox have been able to do so, as it certainly doesn't look like the umpires can get things right.

GO SOX!
Title: Re: MLB Playoffs - 2005
Post by: Darth Broem on October 26, 2005, 11:26 PM
All the games have been pretty tight, but like so many times in the reg season the WS get the runs in the end to win it.  I think both teams are a bit dead after the 14 inning game last night.  Again I expect the WS to win this in the end tonight.  We'll see.
Title: The Chicago White Sox Are The World Champs!
Post by: CorranHorn on October 27, 2005, 02:12 AM
(http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/images/home/y2005/hdr_champ_cws.gif)

Congratulations to the 2005 World Series Champions, the Chicago White Sox!

Woooooooo this is an amazing moment for me, probably the greatest single moment in my life. After years of suffering, finally Chicago has a World Series championship once again. I can still hear people screaming and honking their horns out the windows of my office here at work in downtown Chicago and it's just a wonderful thing. There are so many emotions running through me right now, I even shed some tears at the end of the game, it's been an amazing ride and I now know how Boston fans felt after last year. It's just awesome

WOO HOO!!!!
Title: Re: MLB Playoffs - 2005
Post by: Chris M on October 27, 2005, 05:43 AM
Congrats to the Chi Sox.  It has been a long time in coming.
Title: Re: MLB Playoffs - 2005
Post by: John C on October 27, 2005, 11:38 AM
Hopefully the city is in one piece after today what with all the celebrating.  I suppose it would be worse had the Cubs won.  Congratulations on ending the long drought, Chicago.  :) 
Title: Re: MLB Playoffs - 2005
Post by: Dressel Rebel on October 31, 2005, 07:07 PM
Theo Epstein.  Gone.

Guess he didn't want to be the one to trade Manny Ramirez and watch the Sox collapse next year, missing the playoffs.
Title: Re: MLB Postseason 2005
Post by: Jeff on November 10, 2005, 02:51 PM
So far we've got:

AL Manager of the Year - Ozzie Guillen (for keeping the White Sox in it)
NL Manager of the Year - Bobby Cox (for taking Atlanta to a 14th title - too bad they never go anywhere)
AL Rookie of the Year - Huston Street (A's)
NL Rookie of the Year - Ryan Howard (Phillies)
AL Cy Young - Bartolo Colon (21-8, 3.48 ERA, 157 Ks)
NL Cy Young - Chris Carpenter (21-5, 2.83 ERA, 213 Ks)


Any MVP Guesses?
Title: Re: MLB Postseason 2005
Post by: Rob on November 10, 2005, 02:56 PM
Willie Mays Hayes?
Title: Re: MLB Postseason 2005
Post by: Morgbug on November 10, 2005, 04:29 PM
I musta been sleeping.  I didn't realize Carpenter won the Cy Young :o  Good for him, but I thought those two late losses might have nailed him shut in the coffin instead.  Guess not. 

MVP?  David Ortiz. 
Title: Re: MLB Postseason 2005
Post by: JohnH on November 10, 2005, 07:26 PM
My votes go to Ortiz and Pujols.

Oh, and I find it appalling that Carpenter's Cy Young announcement was second fiddle on mlb.yahoo.com to Palmeiro not being charged.  Oi.

John
Title: Re: MLB Postseason 2005
Post by: Dressel Rebel on November 10, 2005, 10:54 PM
As far as the AL MVP goes, A-Rod and David Ortiz had equal numbers, except A-Rod is a gold glover with an average 20 points higher and David Ortiz is fat with a few more RBIs.  Mark Teixeira has the same numbers too but his team sucked.  Winner: A-Rod.

NL: eh, Pujols.  Andruw Jones had 51 HRs and 128 RBIs, but hit .263.  Derrek Lee had almost-Pujols numbers but his team sucked.

Yeah, so A-Rod and Pujols.
Title: Re: MLB Postseason 2005
Post by: Darth Broem on November 11, 2005, 09:03 PM
I'm a Cubs fan so I'd want Lee to get it.  He probably would if anyone could on base in front of him. 

Pujols for the NL MVP and Ortiz for the AL MVP.
Title: Re: MLB 2005
Post by: Jeff on December 2, 2005, 08:00 PM
Wow, are the Marlins having a fire sale or what!

Delgado - gone
Lowell - gone
Beckett - gone
Castillo - gone

And rumors are Lo Duca and Pierre are on the block...  :o

They had a nice run while it lasted...  :P
Title: Re: MLB 2005
Post by: Holographic Elvis on December 2, 2005, 11:11 PM
I really hope the Yankees land Pierre.  He fills a lot of their needs right there (lead off man, CF, etc.)
Title: Re: MLB 2005
Post by: Dressel Rebel on December 5, 2005, 08:56 PM
Wow, are the Marlins having a fire sale or what!

Delgado - gone
Lowell - gone
Beckett - gone
Castillo - gone

And rumors are Lo Duca and Pierre are on the block...  :o

They had a nice run while it lasted...  :P

Lo Duca is a Met.

Plus it looks like AJ Burnett is a Blue Jay as well.


I'll take Miguel Cabrera for the Yankees please!

 :D
Title: Re: MLB 2005
Post by: Darth Broem on December 7, 2005, 11:49 AM
I guess I am sort of glad the Cubs got Pierre.  They definately need a leadoff hitter that's for sure.  I just hope his .270 average last year was a fluke.  Still need a SS and RF though.  Oh and another starting pitcher since Wood won't be available....again and Maddux is probably going to fade this year.
Title: Re: MLB 2005
Post by: Jeff on December 7, 2005, 12:02 PM
Lo Duca is a Met.

Plus it looks like AJ Burnett is a Blue Jay as well.

I guess I am sort of glad the Cubs got Pierre.


Man, it's just getting crazier. 

C - Lo Duca - NY Mets
1B - Delgado - NY Mets
2B - Castillo - Twins
3B - Lowell - Boston, and potentially headed to the Twins
CF - Pierre - Cubs


That's practiaclly the entire infield!  Add to that the fact they've dealt away Mota and Beckett and lost Burnett to FA?   Wow, now that is some drastic rebuilding for a team that won it all just 2 years ago!   :o
Title: Re: MLB 2005
Post by: Chris M on December 7, 2005, 02:01 PM
I was so hoping Texas would be able to pick up Pierre.  We need a CF like nobody's business.  I can't remember the last "real, solid" CF we had.
Title: Re: MLB 2005
Post by: Clone On Fire on December 7, 2005, 02:19 PM
I was thinking that Juan Pierre was going to the Yankees with Bernie Goes Boom checking out and all, but I guess now George is going to have to open his wallet and hand Johnny Damon a hefty stack of cash and one of his expendable testicles to come play for the Yanks.
Title: Re: MLB 2005
Post by: Holographic Elvis on December 7, 2005, 02:36 PM
Damn I wanted the Yanks to get Pierre. 

Cabrera is the one Marlin who is definitely not going anywhere.
Title: Re: MLB 2005
Post by: Jeff on December 7, 2005, 03:13 PM
Cabrera is the one Marlin who is definitely not going anywhere.

What about Dontrell?  Think they'd be crazy enough to trade him too?
Title: Re: MLB 2005
Post by: Holographic Elvis on December 8, 2005, 12:51 PM
I don't see Dontrelle going anywhere either.

Red Sox traded Renteria to the Braves today for a 3B prospect who is then rumored to be heading to Tampa Bay for Julio Lugo.
Title: Re: MLB 2005
Post by: Jeff on December 8, 2005, 01:04 PM
Red Sox traded Renteria to the Braves today for a 3B prospect who is then rumored to be heading to Tampa Bay for Julio Lugo.

Another move for today:

Soriano to the Nationals (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2251887) - so much for my hopes in the rumors that the Twins were interested in him...  :-\
Title: Re: MLB 2005
Post by: Dressel Rebel on December 8, 2005, 01:16 PM
so much for my hopes in the rumors that the Twins were interested in him...  :-\

Twins are trying to get Hank Blalock.
Title: Re: MLB 2005
Post by: Jeff on December 8, 2005, 01:22 PM
Twins are trying to get Hank Blalock.

Yeah, unfortunately, yesterday all the sports radio guys had moved on from Blalock and the latest reports were because we were now interested in Soriano instead.  Musta been just radio talk rumors I guess.

Eh, I'd still take Blalock if we can get him.  Anything is better than what we had at 3B last year...  :-\
Title: Re: MLB 2005
Post by: Clone On Fire on December 8, 2005, 03:47 PM
I think it's safe to say that Hank Blalock is in the top 20 hitters in baseball, near the bottom of that list.  What really surprises me here is that the Rangers really did an AMAZING young infield with Teixeira, Soriano, Young, and Blalock and decent pop in the outfield.  These guys do not make a lot of money relatively, and if you look at some of the pitchers who traded teams this offseason like Burnett and Beckett, I really think the Rangers should have tried to go for it now instead of unloading Soriano and trying to get rid of Blalock.

So yeah, it surprises me to see the Twins possibly getting Blalock.
Title: Re: MLB 2005
Post by: Holographic Elvis on December 9, 2005, 12:37 PM
We all knew Soriano was gonna get dealt, but I'm surprised they got no big arm in return.
Title: Re: MLB 2005
Post by: Chris M on December 9, 2005, 01:58 PM
We all knew Soriano was gonna get dealt, but I'm surprised they got no big arm in return.

I have no faith in the Rangers front office.  They've done this time and time again, let a great player go and get nothing in return.  Most of us knew Soriano was going elsewhere, but I thought the focus wasgoing to be on picking up a new starter...hopefully Matt Morris or Washburn.

But there is a lot of off season left and truly there have been very few deals made yet (except for the Marlins garage sale).  I'm sure in January we'll see several deals made.
Title: Re: MLB 2005
Post by: Dressel Rebel on December 9, 2005, 03:00 PM
We all knew Soriano was gonna get dealt, but I'm surprised they got no big arm in return.

Truly - what a disaster of a deal that is.  Soriano is one of the biggest bats in the majors, and the Rangers really made no improvements by doing this.  If I were building a team, Soriano would be one of my top choices to build around.
Title: Re: MLB 2005
Post by: Holographic Elvis on December 9, 2005, 08:23 PM
We all knew Soriano was gonna get dealt, but I'm surprised they got no big arm in return.

Truly - what a disaster of a deal that is.  Soriano is one of the biggest bats in the majors, and the Rangers really made no improvements by doing this.  If I were building a team, Soriano would be one of my top choices to build around.

Agreed.  The entire world knows they need pitching so what do they get for an asset like Soriano?  Hitting. 
Title: Re: MLB 2005
Post by: Dressel Rebel on December 9, 2005, 10:43 PM
And remember they traded Alex Rodriguez for Soriano.  What kind of pitchers do you think A-Rod can bring back in exchange?
Title: Re: MLB 2005
Post by: Chris M on December 10, 2005, 12:29 AM
One thing I thought about tonight was the tradeability (sp) of Wilkerson.  He's relatively low priced and he can should be able to be traded easier with the lower salary for a quality 3 or 4 pitcher the Rangers desperately need.  I just pray the Rangers don't go out and blow $20 million on Clemens.  Don't get me wrong, the Rocket is great, but he's not a long term player and that is what the Rangers need.  Like I said earlier, they need to throw the money at Matt Morris and Jarrod Washburn...that and take out that ******* Gold Club behind home plate that has turned the ballpark into a launching pad.
Title: Re: MLB 2005
Post by: Holographic Elvis on December 21, 2005, 03:12 PM
The Boss strikes again!  Damon signs with the Yankees.  Finally a solid lead off man and CF.  Very happy about this deal.   ;D
Title: Re: MLB 2005
Post by: Jeff on December 21, 2005, 04:29 PM
The Boss strikes again!  Damon signs with the Yankees.  Finally a solid lead off man and CF.  Very happy about this deal.   ;D

Well, I guess the Yankees get what the Yankees want.   :P

It'll be interesting to see Damon all neat and trim again, goodbye Chewbacca Damon.   :'(
Title: Re: MLB 2005
Post by: Jeff on December 22, 2005, 01:21 PM
Just reading an article over at ESPN talking about the Yankees new line-up...

CF Johnny Damon
SS Derek Jeter
RF Gary Sheffield
3B Alex Rodriguez
1B Jason Giambi
LF Hideki Matsui
C Jorge Posada
DH Bernie Williams
2B Robinson Cano


Uh... yeah.   :o

Not a fun time to be in the Red Sox nation, I'd guess...  :-X
Title: Re: MLB 2005
Post by: Darth Broem on December 22, 2005, 06:01 PM
Well they are a lock for the playoffs...again.  But we'll see if it pans out this time for a WS ring.
Title: Re: MLB 2005
Post by: Chris M on December 30, 2005, 08:46 AM
The Rangers finally pulled the trigger and got an excellent starter.  I'm trying to decide if Millwood is a top tier pitcher or not.  He's a number 2 in most rotations, but an ace in Texas.  Nothing seemed to rattle the guy at the press conference yesterday announcing his 5 years $60 million contract...thanks Scott Boras...dumbass.

Anyway, bought time the Rangers finally nailed down a pitcher.  I guess it makes Texas a little more attractive now for Clemens should they decide that they can swing $20 million for him and all of his perks.