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Collectibles => The Vintage Collection => Topic started by: speedermike on September 5, 2012, 12:48 AM
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After SDCC, and C6, and seeing what new product Hasbro has on the horizon, I can say that for the first time since 1995, I will not be buying the next line of figures. I just can't get behind the Droid Factory character choices, as they seem to all be resculpts. I just can't do it anymore, as much as I'd like to make the new droids. Granted, I may buy one ore two (I like that Pablo Jill type Jedi) but that's about it. I'm also done with The Clone Wars line, even though I would support that with great enthusiasm if there were a wide selection of characters. (Season 4 was a goldmine of coolness...)
That being said, I'm looking at next year, and I have decided to put some money into displays, and instead of wasting time looking for stuff, I will sort and organize what I have. I'm really excited to do this, and this downtime seems like a great opportunity. Maybe in the fall of 2013, when AOTC and ROTS hit the big screen again some cool product might show up, I'll jump right back in, but for now, I'm outta here! (Not here, as in these forums, because this is still fun, but "outta here" as in I'm not buying anything anymore because I have it all and...oh, you get what I mean.)
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I just can't get behind the Droid Factory character choices, as they seem to all be resculpts.
Redundancy is the theme for 2013 and yeah, I feel the same way. Vintage was fun while it lasted, and had a good run, IMO. I collected 39 TVC figures in all. And as far as Clone Wars is concerned (a series I absolutely hate, btw), to date, I've only collected 1 figure. That's it. And with Movie Heroes, 1 as well. Will my collecting habits change? Well, I've scaled back for some time now, and will continue to do so given the choices for figures in 2013 revealed thus far. There's only so many frickin Obi-Wans, Anakins, Vaders, Clone Troopers, Battle Droids, etc. I can take. In fact, I'm completely baffled as to why there are still collectors out there that continue to buy everything. I mean, do people really need 30 Obi-Wan figures in their collection? To each their own, I guess. I love being picky and selective about what I buy though, and my wallet loves it too.
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I'm hashing out a lot of things these days, and what I'm doing for 2013 is among them... I want to collect. I'm happy with the choices (I like the realistic CW enough that they have me sort of giddy, and the rest I'm ok with but I'd like to see a slightly better showing for the next wave or 2).
I just need to sort some things out... Life's gotten in the way for me of late.
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I just can't get behind the Droid Factory character choices, as they seem to all be resculpts
Well, to be honest, unless the figures are EU, CW, Cliegg Lars, Tonnika Sisters, Torryn Farr, Sim Aloo, Sgt. Doallyn, or a miniscule handful of other characters, everything from here on out is going to be a resculpt, right? That's just the way of things at this point, after 17 years of the modern line (wow, that sounds like a long time). That said, I definitely agree that the first couple waves are pretty boring, even for resculpts. But I've pretty much accepted that the final 8(?) years of Hasbro's SW figures are going to be 90% or more resculpts. Even so, I'll probably be buying them all, just to stay complete. No point stopping now, when I'm (hopefully) more than 2/3rds of the way through the line!
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Force Guy, why do you hate The Clone Wars? Have you seen it recently? While there are some bummer episodes (like all TV) I think that when it's on its "A" game, it comes closer to the spirit of the OT than the prequels ever did. It can be exciting, funny, and thoughtful.
Spirit Of Mace, I agree with what you are saying about most of it being resculpts. I understand that and have accepted it. However, I can think of many, many figures from the films that have not been done. And I think that making a wave that does not have at least one never before made character is a slap in the face to the die-hards. It creates zero excitement.
And what I don't really understand is the need to resculpt. Lets say Hasbro wants to release an ANH wave. Let's say they want to put out eight figures in this wave. They already have excellent sculpts of Luke, Han, Chewie, Vader, Stormtrooper and R2. They don't need to spend a dime on them. Then make two new characters, such as one of the guys who is with Jabba in Docking Bay 94, and perhaps an Imperial officer with the white top. Families and kids would buy the first six, collectors would grab the last two. I just can't see why this sort of system couldn't work.
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I never could get into the Clone Wars because to me, it looks like an animated video game sequence. There's some cool designs and all, but ever since this came into play, collecting hasn't been as fun for me. I am not dreading the end of the series one bit.
That being said, most of what I've seen from the 2013 offerings seems like more of the same - heavy on repacks and slight retooling, with a few cool figures here and there. Cutting corners when they can with the collector line (like not investing in new tooling for Phase 2 clone helmets), and definitely with the kids line in many aspects.
I have bought a little bit less each year anyway, but with life changes (2 kids now), I need to scale back regardless. Hasbro putting less of an investment to reach collectors like me just makes it easier to spend less on their product. They really aren't working harder like they used to for our dollars, which doesn't bother me as much as it would have 5-6 years ago.
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My collecting habits have changed, but that's mostly due to figures being hard to find and the price increases (yes, living in Manhattan doesn't help). Plus, I have two little kids and a wife who doesn't approve of the hobby (which can get to be a tiring battle). Lately I have been buying cases or figures on line... paying a little extra for the figure but saving on all the transit costs to hope to find something. Because of this, I've been passing on prequel figures, EU and CW because the OT is my passion. But, yes, the new Legacy figures Hasbro has shown us lack excitement, as Mike said. Do I need a screen specific Vader? Not really. Do I need another Biggs or a Yavin Luke (I know he comes with the right blaster, but I can't justify another $10 just for the blaster...)?
I agree with Mike that they have some excellent sculpts out there of existing characters and they just need to rotate those in. A few main characters, an army builder or two and a few new ones.
Speaking of the excellent sculpts is there a definitive list of which is the best sculpt and Hasbro doesn't need to make improvements on them?
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I both love and hate the build a droid line for most of all the same reasons many have all restated. Too many resculpts (hate), and cool droids like Jabba's palace droid and Dooku's droid (love both). So I am at a crossroads as to what I am going to do.
Wave 1 -
- Arena Padme - very nice - definite buy
- Rockets R2 - bleh could easily do without
- Ep2 Anakin - cannot find any good pics on JD of him, iirc his headsculpt did look nice plus he had upgrades in articulation - 50/50 on him
- Ep2 Clone SGT - boring could easily do without
- Geonosian Warrior - boring could easily do without
- Luminara - does she have any upgrades in the articulation department? I am 50/50 on her but she probably goes in the unnecessary camp
- Biker Scout - could do with out since we are getting the TRU set
- TIE Pilot (Vader's Wingman) - not too excited over but it makes some sense as a "new" character I guess - buy
- RED Battle Droid - boring could easily do without
- Sandtrooper (Black Pauldron) - pretty cool looking at SDCC on display - buy
- Pablo Jill - awesome, I never did get the first version - buy
- 212th Clone (on VC45 body) - boring could easily do without
BADs = TC-70 & FA-4
So, in order to get the droids that look awesome I have to buy at least 6 figures I really have zero interest in... Awesome... I guess I could maybe be hopeful of a revision wave that subs out crappy figures I have no interest in maybe for some cool figures from TVC? Probably not though, since I will by that point have all that I really need from TVC.
Wave 2
Mace Windu Clone Wars Armor - pretty decent - buy
Captain Rex - I wish he came with his other helmet too - buy
Luke Yavin Ceremony - looks nice but I could do without
Mara Jade Jedi - buy
Darth Vader Bespin - boring could easily do without
A-Wing Pilot - boring could easily do without
Biggs - boring could easily do without
Ep 2 Clone Pilot - boring could easily do without
BADs - R8-B7 & R5-X2 - I am really only kind of excited about the R8
So I only am really digging 3 of the 8 figures, and I only care for one of the droids. My luck of course is that the figures I do want from this wave will not match up with the droid I am wanting. And what will Hasbro do with the other 4 slots for this? Probably fill them with figures I don't want from wave 1....
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Well, to be honest, unless the figures are EU, CW, Cliegg Lars, Tonnika Sisters, Torryn Farr, Sim Aloo, Sgt. Doallyn, or a miniscule handful of other characters, everything from here on out is going to be a resculpt, right?
There's still a wealth of characters, from the OT, PT, and heck, even EU that Hasbro could make before pumping out yet another Obi-Wan figure, another frickin Clone Trooper, etc. Oh, but wait, this Obi-Wan is different because his face has a smirk. Or that Clone Trooper is different because his groin is articulated. It's ridiculous.
Even so, I'll probably be buying them all, just to stay complete. No point stopping now, when I'm (hopefully) more than 2/3rds of the way through the line!
So let me get this straight: your criteria for buying figures is that it simply has to have a Star Wars logo stamped on it, yes? I guess having the buying habits of an automaton makes life more simple in the sense that you don't really need to expend any thought whatsoever in your purchases.
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Smash... don't get too worried yet about not getting that BAD because you might be able to trade for pieces later. Maybe Hasbro will continue with the droid trading place at later Celebrations if you are attending (or someone you know).
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Smash... don't get too worried yet about not getting that BAD because you might be able to trade for pieces later. Maybe Hasbro will continue with the droid trading place at later Celebrations if you are attending (or someone you know).
true, plus I was already thinking/hoping some of the asian ebayers might sell them
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So let me get this straight: your criteria for buying figures is that it simply has to have a Star Wars logo stamped on it, yes? I guess having the buying habits of an automaton makes life more simple in the sense that you don't really need to expend any thought whatsoever in your purchases.
So because he is a completist and has made the choice to collect in that fashion, he is an automaton? I'm sorry, I don't agree with the logic you're using to make that connection.
Getting one of every figure made is just as much a collecting choice as it is to say you collect OT-based figures only or only Dark Side characters.
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My collecting habit is going to continue to be right where it has been...only collecting what I feel like.
Just looking at that first wave of BAD, I'm probably only getting Arena Padme, Luminara (if she's a significant upgrade from the ROTS version) and maybe Pablo Jill. Three figures, followed by Mara Jade certainly looks like a slim beginning to the year.
I figure this will be a good time to work on the displays, pick up bits and pieces here and there (like the two Cloud cars I want to get), and buy a new TV.
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So because he is a completist and has made the choice to collect in that fashion, he is an automaton?
Pretty much, yes. When someone is a completist, they buy everything. There is no discretion exercised, no deliberation, no judgement. It's simply the purchase of anything stamped with a Star Wars logo. That sounds very robotic to me. Remember Mikey from the Life cereal commercials? Like that....like Mikey....he'll eat anything.
I'm sorry, I don't agree with the logic you're using to make that connection.
Well, we can agree to disagree then.
Getting one of every figure made is just as much a collecting choice as it is to say you collect OT-based figures only or only Dark Side characters.
It's a "choice" that completists are fueled by their obligation and compulsion of buying everything, including garbage, gimmicks, rehash after rehash, resculpt after resculpt, etc.? Sure. When Hasbro releases an exclusive figure of George Lucas molded by a collection of belly-button lint, regardless of how absurd the idea would be, I'm sure completists will exercise their "choice" too, by feeling the need to add it to their collection immediately.
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Force Guy, why do you hate The Clone Wars? Have you seen it recently? While there are some bummer episodes (like all TV) I think that when it's on its "A" game, it comes closer to the spirit of the OT than the prequels ever did. It can be exciting, funny, and thoughtful.
Personally, I hate when non-canonical material rewrites the established Star Wars history. As it is, the PT already does that. With Clone Wars, it does this on a much larger scale, IMO. I just don't care for the series at all.
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Ultimately I am thinking I will be happy for my wallet if I buy less here - because "The Hobbit" toys are looking pretty darn nice ;)
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I've been thinking about this a lot lately. Like some of the others I had a very blah reaction to next year's offerings. It's entirely ground we've covered before. As others have said, the well is very dry when it comes to figures we do want, so in that sense Hasbro and the community are both victims of the line's success. I have no incentive at all to buy any of those figures next year, and that's probably a good thing. I've had patches of disinterest and boredom before, but there's always been something to keep me going, and any new CW aside, there is nothing now. All good things. I think I will scale back dramatically next year, and focus on vintage only.
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There's still a wealth of characters, from the OT, PT
A wealth, huh? Wow, I must be missing some of the SW movies then. Weren't there only 6 of them, or did I somehow miss a few over the years? They didn't finally make that long-rumored sequel trilogy did they? Man, I'll be pissed if I completely missed that! Seriously though, I was just listing characters that are notable enough (in the movies or collecting community) for Hasbro to legitimately consider making in the immediate future. I should've also included the various missing Amidala outfits too, and maybe Dorme. Care to show off your extensive list of characters that don't require a Blu-ray freeze-frame of the movie to catch them? Obviously there's dozens of additional uber-background characters throughout the saga which we'd probably all love to own (which 95% of us couldn't even name). I have no doubt that Hasbro will eventually sprinkle a lot of these into the line over the next 8 years, but I'm smart enough to realize we won't be getting them all at once, and especially not in the first couple waves of a brand new line. Like I estimated above, probably 90%+ resculpts and a small percentage of EU and all-new characters. I guess it just comes down to our various levels of patience in getting the tiny fraction of new goodies.
So let me get this straight: your criteria for buying figures is that it simply has to have a Star Wars logo stamped on it, yes?
Pretty close, yeah. Your cognitive skills are exceptional too, I might add. Let me guess - you're at least a high school graduate, yes? Congrats.
I guess having the buying habits of an automaton makes life more simple in the sense that you don't really need to expend any thought whatsoever in your purchases.
Exactly. See how pleasant "collecting" can be? I can easily save my brain for far more challenging matters, like trying to keep my Blu-ray collection "complete" too. Uh-oh. There I go, using the "C" word again. I hope you're not having another rage-induced seizure. Seriously, the way you continuously whine and bitch every time someone says the word complete, or collects differently than you do (Clone Wars, etc.), reminds me of a couple of my petulant nieces and nephews who constantly fuss when they feel like their friends have more toys than they do. Childish. I'd love to give them some prozac to calm them the hell down, but they're obvbiously too young. Might be something worth considering for yourself though, since it's painful to watch someone come off so completely sad, mad and miserable.
It's just a hobby dude. Calm yourself.
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Looks like I pinched a nerve. Relax Mikey, relax. Don't let my opinion bother you so much. Just continue to be Hasbro's ideal customer and gulp everything down like a nice little boy.
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Personally, I hate when non-canonical material rewrites the established Star Wars history. As it is, the PT already does that. With Clone Wars, it does this on a much larger scale, IMO. I just don't care for the series at all.
I kinda see your point, but to me, these are more "pure" than any comic or novel or game, because they come from Lucas himself. And, since I gave up on the novels, comics and games, because they seemed less "Star Warsy" year after year, I don't see any contradictions.
Spirit of Mace...the word "wealth" really may mean different things to different people, I don''t think it's worth arguing over. And, yes, I do see a wealth of ideas. Let's say that we can come up with only 10 new, unmade characters from each film. That's 60 figures right there. 10 a year would keep me interested for 6 more years!
And, you know what, I love the figures you have to freeze frame to see.
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And, you know what, I love the figures you have to freeze frame to see.
I spent the other night watching Jedi and just glancing about Jabba's Palace and Home One for interesting figures.
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Yeah. I still want that Mon Cal officer type guy with the big pouches on his belt. He's right next to Ackbar when he talks about the Death Star.
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It also made my artistic side kick in and want to get into dioramas (I've never done one so it'd be a feat) since I wish they would make the Emperor's Throne Room or the command deck of the Executor.
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Yeah. I still want that Mon Cal officer type guy with the big pouches on his belt. He's right next to Ackbar when he talks about the Death Star.
I've dubbed him a Mon Cal Commando. :)
Guys, don't fight... not worth it.
I kind of agree with Pete that completists are collecting just to have a complete collection... I'm sure they'd all have a breaking point, hopefully long before belly-button-lint.
And I agree with Spirit on the "wealth" of stuff, at least from the movies... EU I give you there though FG, and wish they'd go that direction more, at least with the collector line. The movie's wealth, at least for new, lies in obscurity at this point... Not that we don't have obscurity but the line has to have balance. I'm glad realistic CW is helping to at least make classic characters "new" again to a degree. OW in his toon armor, and that Ani was a top fig for me last year. Rex is a top for me next year but it's utter horse **** he doesn't have both phase 1 and 2 helmets... ::)
For 2013 I'm figuring if things are at least easy enough to nab at stores for the most part, I'll probably just pick and choose a bit more... I dropped the whole completist things circa 1999/2000 when I looked around and everything turned to **** in a heartbeat with the line. To me you could find it all, but it all sucked, so it can be worse than 2012. ;D
Then eventually the same thing took over with me and vehicles... I got to a point where small vehicles just didn't cut it and I easily skipped them.
So for me, 2013's looking like I might just save a little, cut back some... And that's probably for the best with me right now. I'm thinking a bit for the next couple months on my collecting in general I guess. I like a lot of it just because I like improving a figure and taking something inferior off the shelves. So resculpts are ok for me I guess. I'm open to whatever they wanna try.
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I love the figures you have to freeze frame to see.
I spent the other night watching Jedi and just glancing about Jabba's Palace and Home One for interesting figures.
I'm with you guys. That's what makes the Star Wars universe so interesting: the background aliens and obscure characters. And EU characters are pretty much always successful in terms of sales. I guess some people would much rather gobble down on 30 versions of Obi-Wan, Vader & Clone Troopers with a great big smile. To each their own....
To be honest, I'm not sure why a completist would even bother reading or posting in this thread. Will their collecting habits change? Never. They buy everything.
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I was about 90% convinced that following the vintage collection I would be a cherry picker. Following SDCC and CVI it was confirmed. Part of me felt like i was abandoning something i have loved for so long but the interest and obvious year of re sculpts isn't doing it for me. I will still pick up random background aliens from Jabba's palace if they make any but I am content saying I am done.
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Part of me felt like i was abandoning something i have loved for so long but the interest and obvious year of re sculpts isn't doing it for me.
I feel the same way. It's odd, really. It's been my hobby since 1995, and earlier. And here it is, the point that I just might stop...it just might fade away into dullness. I think that's why I started this thread, because this is actually bringing up strong feelings in me. Like moving on from a best friend, or moving from a town you loved...
Who knows, maybe at ToyFair they will show something interesting and this will just be a phase. I'm still not buying the droid factory line...
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Looking at those first couple of waves of the DROID FACTORY line, I definitely feel like I SHOULD be selective. The definite buys for me?
Wave 1
- Arena Padme (It's about time!) BUY
- Rockets R2 (Gotta wait and see if this is any kind of improvement over the 2007 release)
- Ep2 Anakin BUY
- Ep2 Clone SGT (Meh. Is this a removable helmet version?)
- Geonosian Warrior (Meh)
- Luminara (Looks like a definite improvement over the ROTS version) BUY
- Biker Scout (Is this the same as the Speeder Bike pack-in?)
- TIE Pilot BUY
- RED Battle Droid (Meh)
- Sandtrooper (Black Pauldron) (Meh. How many Sandtroopers does one person need?)
- Pablo Jill BUY
- 212th Clone (Again? Meh)
BADs = TC-70 & FA-4
Wave 2
Mace Windu Clone Wars Armor BUY
Captain Rex BUY
Luke Yavin Ceremony (Significant improvement over the 30AC version) BUY
Mara Jade Jedi BUY
Darth Vader Bespin BUY
A-Wing Pilot BUY
Biggs Darklighter (Significant improvement over the 30AC version) BUY
Ep 2 Clone Pilot (Meh)
The only incentive that I can see for buying all of the figures are the BAF droid parts. Otherwise I'd definitely be cherry picking figures from these assortments.
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I'm with you guys.
I don't mean to frighten you here (and hopefully you don't attempt to flip-flop now), but I’m with you all as well, or maybe you just selectively skipped over that part of my prior post:
Obviously there's dozens of additional uber-background characters throughout the saga which we'd probably all love to own...
I love the most background of background characters (http://www.jedidefender.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=22581.msg546394#msg546394) as much as anyone. But again, I was just talking about what I realistically expect to see out of Hasbro, which is several of those figures sprinkled in sporadically each year across the course of the license, but not within the first couple waves of a new line. If Lot Dodd, Yarna, Wuher, and Malikili all sell like crap, how well do you think Tey How, Ann Gella, Toonbuck Toora, Cin Drallig, Mosep, Baniss Keeg, Tsivvzt, Treva Horme, and Fozec are going to sell? If I was a betting man, I’d say we’re going to get every single one of those figures eventually, and I’ll be excited as hell when we do. I’m just not going to quit the line until they come out, or get myself into a panicked or even disappointed state when they’re not announced within any given new wave. The line is what it is now – primarily resculpts, with hopefully some new EU characters thrown into the mix from time to time to liven things up. If you can’t see that, and are expecting something different from Hasbro, you’re living in fantasyland, and will surely be in a constant state of disappointment with the remainder of the line.
Just continue to be Hasbro's ideal customer and gulp everything down like a nice little boy.
Fortunately, I am a good little boy who gets a super swell allowance from his parents, so I have the luxury of affording every new smirking Obi-Wan, furled eye-browed Anakin, scowling Maul, expressionless Vader, bulging helmeted Clone, whining Luke, and exclusive George Lucas with belly-button lint (better have a removable plaid shirt and be the waddle-less 70’s version though). And since I still live for the “thrill of the hunt”, I greatly enjoy tracking each and every one of them down. My joy is now somewhat diminished, however, as I had no idea of the tremendously negative impact my toy purchasing has on your mental well-being. I feel horrible too, for helping to ruin this toy line (http://www.jedidefender.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=22602.msg547252#msg547252) that we’re all here collecting.
To be honest, I'm not sure why a completist would even bother reading or posting in this thread.
To be honest, I’m not sure why someone who gets so upset over other people’s Star Wars toy purchasing habits is posting on a Star Wars collecting forum. Well, actually, I do know the answer to that, but inherent trolling is a discussion best served elsewhere. Also, based on much of what I’ve read around these boards, it looks like most of the head-honchos around here were at one time completists as well (as were apparently many others JD members). Should they not have been posting on their own boards here until they overcame their abnormal and repulsive afflictions? Have you directed similar angst at JD mods like Scott, Rob and Jeff in recent years for having been completists too, or is it solely reserved for Pete_Fett and I in 2012?
I think speedermike's thread here had a very valid question, speaking to exactly what many collectors have gone through over the years: former completists who have turned the page to being more selective due to time, money, space, family, resculpts, repacks, distribution, etc. It’s just a natural progression in the life of many collectors (especially over the course of 17 years), though a progression I don’t foresee myself making anytime soon, hence my original answer to this thread’s specific question. In fact, why would speedermike be asking folks who are already selective with their figure purchasing if they're going to remain selective based on the relatively boring waves 1 & 2 of the new 2013 line? Aside from the obvious B-A-D aspect (which Mike isn't emphasizing), that'd be a borderline stupid and seemingly repetitive question. If anything, this thread is geared more towards completists (or those closer to it) than already selective buyers like yourself, so perhaps you're the one who shouldn't be replying here, eh? Think about it. :P
Also, please don't confuse my lengthy post(s) with you getting my knickers in a twist. You give yourself too much credit. I just greatly enjoy putting idiots in their place, that's all, and sometimes that takes more than pathetic one-liners to adequetly accomplish. With that in mind, I’ll let you get back to your boringly predictable and far more "succinct" juvenile digs now FG. I’ve said my peace.
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With Vintage on hold, I will buy half as much since I'll be going back to a non-carded collection.
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I like turtles
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Also, please don't confuse my lengthy post(s) with you getting my knickers in a twist.
Don't sweat it, Mikey. I'm actually quite flattered that my opinion has such a great impact on you, so much so that you took the time to type up lengthy post after post to justify yourself to me. You're my number one fan and I appreciate you. I will have some Force Guy T-shirts made up and as soon as they're done, I'll send you one. XXXL, yes?
I just greatly enjoy putting idiots in their place, that's all, and sometimes that takes more than pathetic one-liners to adequetly accomplish.
Wow, pretty pathetic if you get your jollies from "putting idiots in their place." If I'm supposedly such an idiot, and you take the time to respond with lengthy post after post, uh, what does that make you? Think about it.
I know you want to look witty and cool and impress people on a toy forum, and I know you were pretending to be Dr. Phil earlier, but let's analyze you for a minute. You get joy from "putting idiots in their place" on a toy forum, and you feel the need to buy everything with a Star Wars logo stamped on it so that you can get that feeling of being "complete".....hmmm.....sounds like there's something major missing from your life. A void that can never be filled, but you obviously get comfort from collecting little plastic men. Don't worry though, I'm here for you. I'll give you my email and/or phone number so we can talk. I'm here to support you. Maybe you just need a hug, in which case, I can't help you. But here's a virtual hug in the meantime.
[hugs]Hug[/hug]
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are you purposefully trying to come off as sounding like an ass-hat?
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In fact, why would speedermike be asking folks who are already selective with their figure purchasing if they're going to remain selective based on the relatively boring waves 1 & 2 of the new 2013 line? Aside from the obvious B-A-D aspect (which Mike isn't emphasizing), that'd be a borderline stupid and seemingly repetitive question.
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Um, I've been nothing but civil in this discussion and don't really appreciate my question being called "borderline stupid."
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I think you're safe...unless you like Life cereal. You never know though..
Remember Mikey from the Life cereal commercials? Like that....like Mikey....he'll eat anything.
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Seconded... There's established stuff and the PT, because Lucas is a bit of an ego-maniac IMO, simply ignored all the stuff that made him a lot of money simply for the sake of ego I think... The infamous story of Coruscant alone makes you really think this guy's a control freak of epic proportions.
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Don't sweat it, Mikey. I'm actually quite flattered that my opinion has such a great impact on you, so much so that you took the time to type up lengthy post after post to justify yourself to me. You're my number one fan and I appreciate you. I will have some Force Guy T-shirts made up and as soon as they're done, I'll send you one. XXXL, yes?
Wow, pretty pathetic if you get your jollies from "putting idiots in their place." If I'm supposedly such an idiot, and you take the time to respond with lengthy post after post, uh, what does that make you? Think about it.
I know you want to look witty and cool and impress people on a toy forum, and I know you were pretending to be Dr. Phil earlier, but let's analyze you for a minute. You get joy from "putting idiots in their place" on a toy forum, and you feel the need to buy everything with a Star Wars logo stamped on it so that you can get that feeling of being "complete".....hmmm.....sounds like there's something major missing from your life. A void that can never be filled, but you obviously get comfort from collecting little plastic men. Don't worry though, I'm here for you. I'll give you my email and/or phone number so we can talk. I'm here to support you. Maybe you just need a hug, in which case, I can't help you. But here's a virtual hug in the meantime.
[hugs]Hug[/hug]
Thank you for so eloquently proving my point there, Force Guy. Like I said...
Um, I've been nothing but civil in this discussion and don't really appreciate my question being called "borderline stupid."
Mike, sorry for the confusion, but you’re completely misreading my comment there. It’s again directed at Force Guy, and is effectively suggesting that he is being borderline stupid for not having a better understanding of your question here, and what kind of collectors it’s actually more geared towards. I’m not sure how much more clear I could’ve been in regards to your topic than when I said this:
I think speedermike's thread here had a very valid (edit: that means good) question, speaking to exactly what many collectors have gone through over the years...
Sorry a good thread's been run so far off course. I have nothing further (on topic) to add to it at this point though, so I'll just shut up and politely excuse myself now. :)
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I'll just shut up and politely excuse myself now. :)
That's the smartest thing you've said so far, Mikey. Good boy.
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I'd like to think I'll quit next year, since this year has been not finding anything and struggling to rationalize buying stuff when I do. Thought about the online route, but $13 a figure...twice what I was paying per figure when I got back into Star Wars in 2005-2006. Am I getting twice the enjoyment? Not usually. Ordering a case? There's never that many figures in case to make that a realistic option. And there's the scarcity, I find myself not opening figures because who knows? That figure might be going for 3 times what I paid for it. Very tempting to sell it and hope I find another one. And that's almost scalping (though I never did resell anything), which is not collecting, and not fun. It's absurd.
My collecting is dysfunctional at this point. And I'm only a casual collector. But it not possible to collect current Star Wars like that.
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I'm looking to hang it up after that last group of vintage figures comes out and I grab that BMF reissue. About the only thing I'm interested in next year is Jocasta Nu, so I'll get that when it comes out. I really can't think of anything else I would want Hasbro to make other than more characters on vintage cards (like Garindan) but that would technically make me a cardboard collector.
I think Droid Factory is a great thing, but I really don't want to feel compelled to buy new versions of things I already have to complete a droid. I'll see what 2014 brings, and welcome the break in 2013.
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Like many others here, I've been really contemplating collecting lately as well. For many of the same reasons listed before (family, funds, space, distribution, etc.), I've been looking to cut down on what I collect a little bit. On the other side of things, I still have the passion for collecting SW, and imagine that I'll always be in it to some extent until the end. I just like it too much still.
That being said, I haven't quite decided what to do with the start of Droid Factory next year. It is a great idea, to be sure, but I'm just not super psyched about some of the figures coming up. They all look well done, but I just don't care about re-dos or re-releases of clonetroopers and things like that at this point. Wave 1 in particular is sort of a snoozer aside from the build a droids, and I'm trying to consider if I really want those bad enough to buy a number of figures I don't really care about. Wave 2 is better, but still not necessarily needing them all. And I'm a person who likes the resculpts, particularly of OT figures, so it isn't just that. The overall choices are just a little ho-hum.
There's also things like the Speeder bike, the recent Ewok set, or even last year's Taun Taun that really get me excited for collecting as well. I've also enjoyed the run that TVC has had, and I can't wait for that final wave. In the end, I may just end up buying everything again next year (as I did last time there were build a droids), but I also look at it as a good chance to get more selective and save a lot of money. Although I've bought the majority of the line over the years, recently I've been gravitating even more towards the OT side of things (which was always the case anyways), and the figures that excite me the most for the most part in the waves we've seen are those as well. I also like the CW realistic stuff, so I'll likely get those too. Other than that, we'll see. Like I said, they look nice, but I really don't care about more clones, droids, or even Geonosians for the most part. Nice figures, just have enough I guess.
Also, I really hate buying/collecting stuff just to pack it away or have it laying around - so that has helped to curtail the spending a bit too. I went through and sorted through some displays this year and packed up a lot of stuff that was cluttering up our office. I used to have the mindset that I'd get it out "someday" when I had more space, but I just don't see that happening anytime soon - and by the time it does, I may not be interested in that anymore. It has gotten to more of, if I can't display it, I sell it or give it to our daughter to play with. I still have the enthusiasm for the SW line, but I look at next year as a chance to cut back just because there is so much I already have (and don't really need more of).
Honestly, if I could get past wanting the build a droids, my buying would probably look something like this:
Wave 1 - Anakin, Padme, Biker Scout, Sandtrooper, Pablo Jill (possibly R2 and TIE Pilot)
Wave 2 - Ceremony Luke, Rex, Mace Windu, Mara Jade, Biggs, Vader, A-Wing Pilot
Still most of the figures I guess, but a much cheaper year overall. Honestly, if all I collected was the "collector" segment of the SW line, it wouldn't be all that bad either with 30ish figures next year and likely a few exclusives.
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Honestly, if I could get past wanting the build a droids, my buying would probably look something like this:
Wave 1 - Anakin, Padme, Biker Scout, Sandtrooper, Pablo Jill (possibly R2 and TIE Pilot)
Wave 2 - Ceremony Luke, Rex, Mace Windu, Mara Jade, Biggs, Vader, A-Wing Pilot
I hear ya. I'd really like to add Dooku's droid to my collection, but not at the expense of buying all the redo's. My buying list is looking something like this:
Wave 1 - nothing
Wave 2 - Ceremony Luke (since I don't have one at all) & maybe Vader
It looks like I'll have to buy the build-a-droids that I want on eBay at some point, but there's no rush.
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I've always been what I would call a "dedicated casual collector" (I only buy the figures I want, and generally only when I find them at retail - although that's changed recently), but I'm so shocked by how disinterested I am with the upcoming Legacy Collection. Except for the realistic TCW figures and Mara Jade, I have almost no interest in buying the rest of the lot... maybe it's because TVC is almost impossible to top or maybe because the character selection for LC thus far really just is a yawn - but it's a shame because I remember the good 'ol times when I could walk into a Target and jump with an awkward seizure of convulted joy when I would find a COOL action figure, you know? A really ultra-cool character, you know? But I feel Hasbro has pretty much hit a lot of characters out of the ball park... and now we're getting figures like another Ep.II Anakin, or another Sandtrooper. It's really disappointing and disheartening, because I was always one to willingly spend my money on these things, but that's really changed to the point it's just downright sad.
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Thought this might be a good one to bump up with the recent announcements of more Star Wars movies on the way. Does the confirmation of Episode 7 (as well as 8 and 9, and maybe beyond) change your outlook for collecting into the future? Has it reignited the fire knowing that there will be new characters, vehicles, etc. from these movies hitting plastic for the first time, or does it work better as a jumping off point?
Honestly, prior to this announcement, I sort of thought Star Wars was slowing down. There were more and more figures I was starting to skip, I had cut back to basically just OT for vehicles/beasts/etc., and sort of started telling the Mrs. that I could "see the light at the end of the tunnel" of things. I didn't think it was going to disappear in the next couple years, but it seemed like things were winding down. Now, with new movies, that all changes.
If I'm being honest, I know I'll be there the first day the toys are available and likely buying quite a bit of it. It all depends on the material, since we know pretty much nothing about these movies, but I know I'll likely be hyped up with the prospect of new SW movies on the horizon. That being said, I think I'll be much more restrained this time around than I was during the PT (particularly ROTS, which was my worst spending spree). It is easy to say now, a few years out, but I feel (hope) that I've gotten smarter and a bit more patient with what I buy these days and I wouldn't go quite as nuts when this day comes.
I can also see why people might just check out the movies and avoid a lot of the collectibles. I've always said I'd be "in" in some capacity until the end, and I still feel that way, but I honestly didn't think we'd have another trilogy (meaning about 10 years of toy aisle time) coming up, and we know the releases tend to be fast and furious during those years. Right now, I don't have any room for what could potentially be three movies worth of product, so who knows what will happen when the time comes. I'll always be in it to some capacity, but maybe pace things a little more. Again, it all depends on what the movies are about, and if I'm into them. I don't want to keep buying it just because it is "Star Wars". Overall though, I'm likely still there opening day, so I doubt that my collecting habits will change much more than I was already planning. If anything, it has made me think about the other things I collect outside of SW. Knowing that these movies are on the way (and likely a big toy line with each), it makes me think about cutting back (or out) a lot of other stuff in preparation for this. I really can't keep spending hundreds/thousands of dollars on toys for another 10-12 years, budget or space wise, or at least I didn't plan on it. :)
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For me, as long as I think it looks cool, I'll probably buy it. I've got a whole bunch of PT stuff, and I'm not a huge huge PT fan, but I like a lot of the design work and overall concepts, which is all it takes for me to pick it up.
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I'm always up for buying OT and some PT and EU but I refuse to buy the sequel stuff. That ST just isn't Star Wars to me. ;)
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Will probably carry the same stance I carry now...Only Ewoks, Droids, and vehicles (if they're nifty)
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I haven't been reading the announcements with being stuck in the hurricane situation, but was 7-9 really confirmed?
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really really!
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I've been thinking about this again lately as I've been going through things, and I really do have to consider everything when we're looking at another trilogy (and 10+ years) of stuff coming our way eventually. I'm really excited about new Star Wars on the big screen, and - as expensive as it can get - the "movie years" for Star Wars are usually pretty exciting collecting-wise as well. It sometimes (in the past) makes the prices lower since they move so much product, it allows them to take risks on different or larger things like vehicles/playsets, and other things.
Also, I look at our office (where my collection resides now), and things are pretty much full now. Thinking of another trilogy of stuff makes me realize that either things have to get packed up, sold off, or just an overall collecting refocus. The figures themselves aren't too bad, but if you add in vehicles or anything else, it gets out of hand space-wise.
I know overall that I'll buy at least some of it, and if I really like the movies, maybe a lot of it. I had a lot of excitement for the prequels as well at the time of their release, and although I still like those movies well enough, I have ended up selling off or packing up a lot of that stuff - aside from the figures. This time it may be different if it has more OT characters/feel, I may be more invested. As we look at the prospect of 3, 4, 5 or 10 more Star Wars movies, I think I'll look forward to them all but have a feeling when it is all said and done everyone will have "their" trilogy or favorite. The OT will always remain my primary focus, but I am looking forward to having new movies to anticipate. I'm also glad I have a couple years to figure out what I'm going to do collecting-wise. I went from thinking things were almost done to opening up a whole new door for stuff.