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Nathan:
--- Quote from: Jesse James on June 28, 2005, 09:34 PM ---But I was watching a thread elsewhere about Clone Wars (the toons) being "Canon". Beyond the asinine reasons given (some which weren't entirely informed/correct, such as "Lucas was heavily involved with Clone Wars" when in reality he only gave some "help" to them by letting them introduce a character he created), the point stands that Lucasfilm hasn't changed anything publicly about the films being canon and nothing else... I don't know what it is about TV's, but people think that if they see it, they can argue "Yeah, well that happened because it's MORE important than (insert EU medium here)". I think that degenerated into the CW toon being more "canon" than the Clone Wars Comic or some **** like that.
Then it turns to a pissing match where one guy says the cartoon's canon, then another says "but the comic contradicts such and such from the cartoon", and then the EU debate rages because some say the cartoon's now canon, others are confused... It's funny to observe.
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Agreed. And you'd never EVER see anyone suggesting the Droids cartoons or the Holiday Special are "more canon" than, say, the books simply because they're TV. ;)
I think it has to do with TV being most similar to the original medium (film) so to some it seems closer to the movies on the Canon food chain.
The cartoon does contradict some of the books and comics (it can all be made to dovetail if you use your imagination a little), but if anything the cartoon is LESS canon since the books and comics came out first so the burden was on the cartoon to follow THEM, not the other way. ::)
That and the third season was just lame as hell. :P The first two were good though.
bobafett1121:
I just hope the put up some good characters that fans came make bios for. and not just a bunch of people that nobody has ever heard of before.
CorranHorn:
I must say I like the idea of allowing fans to submit the backstories of characters. As a long time customizer, I know how much fun it can be to give a character a life by coming up with the details of his past. In fact that's all many people had for years before EU became so prevalent. Too bad it's only available to Hyperspace members though...
--- Quote from: Valin Kenobi on June 29, 2005, 03:44 PM ---
--- Quote from: Jesse James on June 28, 2005, 09:34 PM ---But I was watching a thread elsewhere about Clone Wars (the toons) being "Canon". Beyond the asinine reasons given (some which weren't entirely informed/correct, such as "Lucas was heavily involved with Clone Wars" when in reality he only gave some "help" to them by letting them introduce a character he created), the point stands that Lucasfilm hasn't changed anything publicly about the films being canon and nothing else... I don't know what it is about TV's, but people think that if they see it, they can argue "Yeah, well that happened because it's MORE important than (insert EU medium here)". I think that degenerated into the CW toon being more "canon" than the Clone Wars Comic or some **** like that.
Then it turns to a pissing match where one guy says the cartoon's canon, then another says "but the comic contradicts such and such from the cartoon", and then the EU debate rages because some say the cartoon's now canon, others are confused... It's funny to observe.
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Agreed. And you'd never EVER see anyone suggesting the Droids cartoons or the Holiday Special are "more canon" than, say, the books simply because they're TV. ;)
I think it has to do with TV being most similar to the original medium (film) so to some it seems closer to the movies on the Canon food chain.
The cartoon does contradict some of the books and comics (it can all be made to dovetail if you use your imagination a little), but if anything the cartoon is LESS canon since the books and comics came out first so the burden was on the cartoon to follow THEM, not the other way. ::)
That and the third season was just lame as hell. :P The first two were good though.
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Sorry to stray from the main topic, but after reading what JJ and Valin have said, I wanted to bring up a point. I'm sure this will be obvious, but I think it's worth stating. A valid reason for stating that the Clone Wars cartoon can be considered canon (at least parts of it) is that Revenge of the Sith begins mere moments AFTER the Clone Wars cartoon ends. The final episodes of the toon are like a prologue to the movie, setting up the battle of Coruscant and the rescue of Palpatine. Now I don't know if any of the novels do that, as I haven't read many of them, but I certainly believe this lends credence to the toon is canon theory.
Nathan:
The novel Labyrinth of Evil does that too, in fact ending with Obi-Wan and Anakin jumping to hyperspace towards Coruscant (unfortunately a totally different depiction from the cartoon).
(Interview with James Luceno
--- Quote ---TUCWS: Labyrinth is closely intertwined with the Reversal of Fortune webstrip and Clone Wars Season III animated episodes. How closely did you work with Paul Ens and Cartoon Network to mesh your work with theirs?
JL: Unfortunately there was very little collaboration. I was under the proverbial gun to deliver a manuscript by May, 2004; so, immediately after the LucasFilm meeting, I started working on the outline. I had just received LFL’s approval when I learned about the Clone Wars animated series and about Dark Horse Comics’ on-again/off-again Countdown series. I was fairly dismayed after reading the outlines for both projects. All of us were starting and ending at the same places, but using different roads. Attempts were made to bring the three projects closer in line by divvying up the characters and the various plotlines. Dark Horse eventually ran with what became the Obsession series. But the animated series was more problematic, because it wasn’t going to be story-boarded, let alone completed, until long after my deadline for Labyrinth had elapsed. (The original outline, for example, included a fight aboard the train.) As for Reversal of Fortune, I didn’t even learn about it until much later in the year.
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Thus it was the cartoon's fault for not following the books, not the other way around.)
Anyway, leading up to the film is not, in itself, grounds for being More Canon. For example, the novel Rebel Dawn leads right up to Han Solo walking into the Cantina in ANH, and that doesn't make RD any more canon than other EU books.
Diddly:
Vator gave me an idea... submit info for characters from Photonovels various members have done, or are currently working on. Yes, I think I'll do that...
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