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Community => Watto's Junk Yard => Topic started by: Brian on April 13, 2010, 09:30 PM
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Rumors are heating up (http://www.newsarama.com/film/joss-whedon-avengers-100413.html) that Joss Whedon may be directing the Avengers movie.
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Shiny!
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Rumors are heating up (http://www.newsarama.com/film/joss-whedon-avengers-100413.html) that Joss Whedon may be directing the Avengers movie.
Now THAT would be Awesome!
Thinking about the Avengers movie, which heroes would be in the movie then?
Obviously Iron Man and Captain America, possibly Thor and Hulk.
But what about Hawkeye, Vision, Scarlet Witch.
And what other ones?
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What I read so far about Avengers:
Confirmed team members: Cap, Iron Man, Thor
Probable enemies: Loki, Hulk
Nick Fury will be in the movie. Other than that, the membership of the team is unknown. You can bet they'll have a female, and The Wasp is probably the most likely. I wouldn't be surprised to see Hank Pym to round out the original Avengers line-up.
I highly doubt Scarlet Witch... I can't see her powers translating well to live action. I expect they'll run with the original team.
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Well since the last Hulk flick already tied itself in to the Iron Man/Avengers universe, I'd definitely expect to see some Hulkage.
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I love Whedon as a writer and he's not a bad director, I just don't think of him as a director first. He did do a great job on Serenity, though, so we know he can direct a big screen action film.
I'm actually surprised that they didn't look at Favreau or Louis Leterrier to direct Avengers since they both have experience in the Marvel Universe. Favreau, especially, since he really helped kickstart this whole project with the excellent job he did on the first IM film.
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I read a while ago that Favreau declined any offer to direct Avengers. He didn't know how he'd reconcile the technology-centric world of Tony Stark with the magical world of Thor.
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I did not know that. If they wanted someone to understand the magic, you can't go wrong with Whedon.
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What I read so far about Avengers:
Confirmed team members: Cap, Iron Man, Thor
Probable enemies: Loki, Hulk
Nick Fury will be in the movie. Other than that, the membership of the team is unknown. You can bet they'll have a female, and The Wasp is probably the most likely. I wouldn't be surprised to see Hank Pym to round out the original Avengers line-up.
I highly doubt Scarlet Witch... I can't see her powers translating well to live action. I expect they'll run with the original team.
It has been a few months now, but at one point Marvel was talking to Jeremy Renner (The Hurt Locker) about the role of Hawkeye - so it is possible he could be included in Avengers as well. As far as the director, I believe Favreau was indeed the first choice as mentioned - but he declined because of the reasons already posted, and because it was so soon after Iron Man 2. I do believe he is an executive producer or something for Avengers though.
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Rumors are heating up (http://www.newsarama.com/film/joss-whedon-avengers-100413.html) that Joss Whedon may be directing the Avengers movie.
Apparently confirmed!
Geek Out!: Joss Whedon to direct 'Avengers' (http://scitech.blogs.cnn.com/2010/04/14/geek-out-joss-whedon-to-direct-avengers/?hpt=Sbin)
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Possible villian(s) for Whedon's The Avengers movie and sequels. Click for spoilerish article. (http://www.collider.com/2010/05/20/avengers-joss-whedon-skrull-kree-villain/#more-27779)
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I'm not sure how I feel about that.
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It is a lot of story to squeeze into one movie.
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Well if it opens the door for more cosmic characters in the universe, i am down for it.
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Possible villian(s) for Whedon's The Avengers movie and sequels. Click for spoilerish article. (http://www.collider.com/2010/05/20/avengers-joss-whedon-skrull-kree-villain/#more-27779)
I like it for A2, still hoping Loki is the antagonist for the first movie.
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There is talk that the Skrulls will be the villains in the Avengers movie. In the first Avengers movie, they will be an infiltration team, and supposed it is they who turn the Hulk against the Avengers. Then for second movie its an all out invasion of the Skrulls, but this time humanity is helped by the Kree.
I can't recall the link I read this from though.
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Also read that Jeremy Renner (The Hurt Locker) is rumored to be Hawkeye in The Avengers.
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Also read that Jeremy Renner (The Hurt Locker) is rumored to be Hawkeye in The Avengers.
Please please please let that be true. I don't even really care that much who plays him, but Hawkeye is the Han Solo of the Avengers, so I'd love to see him included.
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Also read that Jeremy Renner (The Hurt Locker) is rumored to be Hawkeye in The Avengers.
Please please please let that be true. I don't even really care that much who plays him, but Hawkeye is the Han Solo of the Avengers, so I'd love to see him included.
That's perfect, he even looks like Clint Barton.
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Ed Norton out as Banner/Hulk for Avengers movie. (http://www.hitfix.com/blogs/2008-12-6-motion-captured/posts/exclusive-marvel-confirms-they-will-hire-new-hulk-for-avengers)
I like the articles mention of Sharlto Copely for the new Banner. That guy has impressed me so much. He's 10 times the actor after 2 roles than some others I could name that are near A-listers these days.
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I hated District 9 and didnt think muh of him. I would have much preferred Ed Norton.
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Not sure if we want to break this one out as well, but it looks like Joss Whedon has now confirmed Jeremy Renner as Hawkeye (http://www.superherohype.com/news/articles/104619-sdcc-whedon-confirms-renner-as-hawkeye-in-the-avengers-) in the Avengers movie.
Also, the Green Lantern movie logo (http://www.superherohype.com/news/articles/104627-sdcc-the-green-lantern-movie-logo) has been revealed (with a panel later today as well). I suppose GL is ready for his own thread here too, but I'll let Jeff do the honors there ;).
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Hawkeye. YES. Now they just have to stay true to the comic version of him. So help me if we get the Ultimates Hawkeye... >:(
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Hawkeye. YES. Now they just have to stay true to the comic version of him. So help me if we get the Ultimates Hawkeye... >:(
Dark Avengers Hawkeye!!!!!
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Hawkeye. YES. Now they just have to stay true to the comic version of him. So help me if we get the Ultimates Hawkeye... >:(
Dark Avengers Hawkeye!!!!!
Ish. At least it won't be bullseye for sure. If they'll just give him arrors, a purple costume, and Han Solo's attitude I'll be so happy....
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I'm sure everyone has seen this by now, but the assembled the Avengers cast (http://www.newsarama.com/film/SDCC-2010-Marvel-Studios-Thor-Captain-America-100724.html) on stage last night during the Marvel Studios panel. Renner is indeed playing Hawkeye, and Mark Ruffalo is taking over as Bruce Banner/Hulk. Pic (and details) at the linky, but it sounds like the following actors were there:
RDJ (Tony Stark/Iron Man)
Chris Evans (Steve Rogers/Cap)
Chris Hemsworth (Thor)
Scarlett Johannson (Black Widow)
Clark Gregg (Agent Coulson)
Samuel Jackson (Nick Fury)
Mark Ruffalo (Banner/Hulk)
Jeremy Renner (Hawkeye)
Pretty good lineup, I wonder if they'll be adding anyone else in the next couple years or not (like Wasp or Ant Man, who I think have been rumored off and on).
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Nice little surprise reveal (http://movies.ign.com/articles/110/1108431p1.html) from Marvel Studios on the final day of Comic Con: The Infinity Gauntlet.
(http://moviesmedia.ign.com/movies/image/article/110/1108431/thor-20100725041245339.jpg)
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Man... like we didn't have enough things to keep track of already! That was a great book back in the day.
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So is Thanos the villian in The Avengers?
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Video (http://www.marvelousnews.com/index.php?catid=23&itemid=13380) of the introduction of 'the Avengers' at Comic Con. I have to say, it does get you psyched for the movie.
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That Infinity Gauntlet has me extremely pumped for whatever it is going to be used for.
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That Infinity Gauntlet has me extremely pumped for whatever it is going to be used for.
Hmnn. Hmmmn. Thanos would be a worthy villain if that's where they're taking the Avengers, though I'll be a little disappointed if they depart from the Loki storyline. Maybe for the average Joe having the villain be a Thor baddie sways things too much in his direction. Thanos would be a villain strong enough for all the heroes to unite, though introducing him and the infinity gauntlet in their first movie would be pretty ambitious.
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'Avengers' starts filming Tuesday, writer-director Joss Whedon says (http://www.cnn.com/2011/SHOWBIZ/Movies/04/26/avengers.joss.whedon.ew/index.html?hpt=Sbin)
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It looks like the first teaser (which appears after the credits of Cap) has leaked online. It is very poor quality, but if you'd like to see it, it is probably wise to do it quickly:
Avengers Teaser (http://blog.newsarama.com/2011/07/18/fan-recorded-avengers-teaser-trailer-shows-up-online/)
A lot of the "quick flashes" type of stuff going on, and I look forward to seeing it in better quality (or on the big screen), but man it is exciting that this big team up movie is happening.
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It looks like the first teaser (which appears after the credits of Cap) has leaked online. It is very poor quality, but if you'd like to see it, it is probably wise to do it quickly:
Avengers Teaser (http://blog.newsarama.com/2011/07/18/fan-recorded-avengers-teaser-trailer-shows-up-online/)
A lot of the "quick flashes" type of stuff going on, and I look forward to seeing it in better quality (or on the big screen), but man it is exciting that this big team up movie is happening.
Already pulled from YouTube.
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So is Thanos the villian in The Avengers?
I heard it was mainly Loki and Skrulls.
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Ugh, Skrulls are part and parcel of the FF continuity, I hate to see them trawled out for another franchise.
Did the Avengers even have a recurring nemesis?
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Ugh, Skrulls are part and parcel of the FF continuity, I hate to see them trawled out for another franchise.
Did the Avengers even have a recurring nemesis?
Yes, the Skrulls first appeared in FF, but outside of that the Avengers have been heavily involved with Skrull activity over the years. They were the major players in the Kree/Skrull war, The iluminati attack on their homeworld was led by Iron Man and Reed Richards (among others), and the more recent Secret Invasion was far more tied to the Avengers than the FF, with a Skrull replacing Spiderwoman to kick things off and Skrulls impersonating Hank Pym and Mockinbird for several years of the timeline. The invasion brings the core Avengers back together, reseats Iron Man from national security director to outlaw, puts the Dark Avengers into play, and kills off the Wasp...pretty major implications for Earth's Mightiest Heroes.
As for their own nemeses, the Avengers have quite a few: Ultron would be a great villian, but probably requires Hank Pym to be more established (he built Ultron to make himself look good in front of the Avengers, then the robot self evolved). Kang the time traveler is another solid villian, but time travel is another concept that might be best saved for a sequel. The Masters of Evil were a collection of baddies bent on destroying the Avengers as well. Would be cool to see a group of supervillians to fight, but then you end up having to spread screen time across a number of baddies. Loki is the villian who brought them together in the comics, so it would make sense to use him since he's already established. Maybe they don't want to showcase one villian so much though, tying the group so closely to Thor.
In the comics, the Skrulls are the ones who developed the Cosmic Cube, so if they are going this route then it makes sense to include them as well. Thanos is the one who wielded the infinity gauntlet, so will be interesting to see where they go with that. I'm a little dissapointed that they are tackling Aliens who can transform into anyone AND a device that can alter reality all in one movie - seems like an awfully big scope for one movie. Loki will probably fit in there somehow as well given the last scene in Thor.
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Thanks, Kang was the one I was trying to remember, he'd be a good choice.
Wasn't Thanos a Captain Marvel villain? Like Ego the Living Planet?
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I had thought about Kang when I saw Thor, and the whole Cosmic Cube storyline got brought to light. Who knows?
Also, I was just checking out the Comic Con program grid, and surprisingly the major upcoming comic films don't seem to be listed, Avengers included. You've got to think that there will be SOME kind of Avengers panel. Especially since most of the cast was part of a presentation last year.
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Thanos was originally more of a Captain Marvel baddie. When he started collecting the infinity gems though, he significantly increased his power set and it took the Avengers and many other heroes to take him down. You never know how they are going to combine things in these movies - maybe they make Thanos into more of a super-skrull type? Like in Thor, they found a way to bring in Loki, the Destroyer, Thor's banishment, and the Frost Giants all into one storyline, when they were all mostly separate storylines throughout the comics.
I forgot about the Super adaptoid too. I think he was somewhat based off the cosmic cube's power as I recall. Pretty cool villain - he could absorb the powers and talents of anyone he fought, so you have an android with all of the Avengers' powers wrapped up into one baddie.
I'm more leery of Kang as a movie villain - time travel is always tricky and seems to leave major plot holes. I never understood why Kang wouldn't pull a terminator and just off the parents of everyone who ever opposed him. In the comics, Kang's conqueror nature was often offset by his older, more responsible persona Immortus. If Kang started changing the timeline, Immortus would bring in the Avengers to stop him, but that's a lot of set up to bring into one movie.
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Looks like Cap's Avengers movie costume is on display at SDCC, looks pretty nifty:
http://i.marvelousnews.com/g/index.php?mode=album&album=2011_San_Diego_Comic_Con%2FMovie&dispsize=600&start=0 (http://i.marvelousnews.com/g/index.php?mode=album&album=2011_San_Diego_Comic_Con%2FMovie&dispsize=600&start=0)
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Looks like Cap's Avengers movie costume is on display at SDCC, looks pretty nifty:
http://i.marvelousnews.com/g/index.php?mode=album&album=2011_San_Diego_Comic_Con%2FMovie&dispsize=600&start=0 (http://i.marvelousnews.com/g/index.php?mode=album&album=2011_San_Diego_Comic_Con%2FMovie&dispsize=600&start=0)
Here it is as a figure as well, along with variations of previous Thor and Iron Man figs. Pretty sweet.
http://marvelousnews.com/index.php?catid=23&itemid=14267
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This Gothamist article (http://gothamist.com/2011/08/15/crushed_cabs.php#photo-1) has some shots of the Avengers shoot that is underway in Cleveland, OH.
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Here it is as a figure as well, along with variations of previous Thor and Iron Man figs. Pretty sweet.
http://marvelousnews.com/index.php?catid=23&itemid=14267
Ok - here's a silly question. At the end of IM2 he had the Mark VI and that has a triangle shaped reactor in the center of his chest, yet the Avengers version of the figure is a circle.
Is the Avengers movie set in-between the events of Iron Man and Iron Man 2?
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Nope. One of the final scenes of Iron Man 2 specifically dealt with an evaluation of Iron Man and his fitness for what Nick Fury referred to as the Avenger Initiative.
As for the figures? They're definitely prototypes. And I wouldn't expect anything movie accurate from Hasbro yet. The Avengers toy line will probably launch around March or April of 2012. Sure, they could try to do a teaser in time for Christmas.
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Slightly SPOILERY:
http://comicbookmovie.com/fansites/MarvelFreshman/news/?a=44490 (http://comicbookmovie.com/fansites/MarvelFreshman/news/?a=44490)
A couple pics with Cap, and some funky looking weaponry....
EDIT: More Cap-
http://comicbookmovie.com/fansites/MarvelFreshman/news/?a=44481 (http://comicbookmovie.com/fansites/MarvelFreshman/news/?a=44481)
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In the comics, Stark has a virtual of different armor designs. There are variety of different chest pieces, weaponry, and colors, so no surprise to see him switch from a circular looking reactor to a triangle design I guess. I think you could explain the triangle reactor as either experimental or even just a cover change (maybe its still circular underneath, but the external opening in the armor is triangle shaped to create a different energy beam). Given Starks penchant for fast cars and different designs, it could just be a style choice with that particular suit.
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Not a bad choice for Maria Hill...
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-UNuUlCbvGPg/TeQ3CA5pSWI/AAAAAAAAJPg/5hXJvShGTMk/s1600/wonder_woman_movie_still_new.jpg)
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Looks like some more footage has been leaking from the Avengers set:
http://comicbookmovie.com/fansites/joshw24/news/?a=44727 (http://comicbookmovie.com/fansites/joshw24/news/?a=44727)
Granted, we don't know what the story will be like or anything like that - or even who the villains are for sure - but this footage gets me sort of geeked for the Avengers next year. Just seeing Cap and Thor fighting together is pretty cool.
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New photos (http://geektyrant.com/news/2011/9/3/the-avengers-hi-res-set-photos-hawkeye-black-widow-captain-a.html) of Captain America, Black Widow and Hawkeye in action.
Have to say, I don't care for the new Captain America costume. Compared to the WWII outfit, which I thought turned out really well, this seems like a step backward. There are parts that seem to work, but there's something about the headgear and the pants/lower half of the outfit that are missing something. The boots and gloves look okay, though.
Hawkeye, on the other hand, I like. The Black Widow outfit (didn't compare it to the IM movie outfit) looks good as well, but they have her in some ridiculous looking shoes.
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Scarlett Johannson was wearing shoes? I honestly didn't notice.
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I like all three of the costumes. Cap doesn't look as good as his WWII garb, but still looks pretty decent. Makes sense that it would be more modernized. Given what they have to match to in the comics, it looks fantastic. Black Widow looks great - I don't know what you don't like about her shoes. Not much of a shoe guy myself, but I'll go on record as saying I think the footwear designs for all three characters is solid. Hawkeye...I knew we weren't going to get the purple costume, but some kind of mask would have been nice. :-\ I do like the rest of the costume though.
My only gripe here is that cap has dark hair. WTF! That's the easiest thing to get right. I haven't seen the Cap movie yet, but isn't he blonde throughout? Rodgers is light blonde through the better part of a century in comics, so what gives with the dark hair? I don't get it.
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It is odd that Cap's hair has changed colors in this movie. also, something about the costume is a little off...could be the helmet.
Overall, it still looks good.
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They have Widow in these huge heels. Granted, they're solid, but could you guys ever imagine running in something like those? If you're picking footwear to battle evil in, don't you think you'd pick something a little more realistic, something you could run in or stomp the crap out of someone with rather than something that'll make your butt look a little better or that makes you taller to fit in with the guys?
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They have Widow in these huge heels. Granted, they're solid, but could you guys ever imagine running in something like those? If you're picking footwear to battle evil in, don't you think you'd pick something a little more realistic, something you could run in or stomp the crap out of someone with rather than something that'll make your butt look a little better or that makes you taller to fit in with the guys?
Sure. If I was a butt kicking woman, I would probably wear the equivalent of steel-toed tennis shoes. I'd also wear sweat pants and a sweat shirt to allow for more freedom of movement. I wouldn't waste time with my hair or make-up either. But that's not really what the comic movies are about. Widow is a spy and a seductress of sorts, using her "wow" looks to momentarily stun the bad guys. Maybe should pull that off with more sensible shoes, but I think these are just fine the way they are. ;)
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They probably didn't color Chris's hair because he has to where the helmet that day.
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They probably didn't color Chris's hair because he has to where the helmet that day.
Do they color it every day they need him? You'd think he would just dye it.
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It's probably easier on the makeup folks to color it as needed.
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Scarlett runs like a girl.
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Yeah, isn't it Great! :D
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Hawkeye knows where it's at...
(http://eyeprime.net/images/2011/09/avengers_eyeprime_616.jpg)
http://eyeprime.net/2011/09/on-location-for-the-avengers/
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Really not liking the newer cap outfit
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Can't really blame Hawkeye for that, I guess, but not too subtle.
Chris Evans looks substantially less buff and the new Cap suit looks like a pair of jammies. I'm still excited for this movie, though.
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Hawkeye knows where it's at...
(http://eyeprime.net/images/2011/09/avengers_eyeprime_616.jpg)
http://eyeprime.net/2011/09/on-location-for-the-avengers/
Please. She got reduction surgery. Why not just spit in God's face while you're at it?
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Can't really blame Hawkeye for that, I guess, but not too subtle.
Chris Evans looks substantially less buff and the new Cap suit looks like a pair of jammies. I'm still excited for this movie, though.
Hey, cut Cap some slack. He's like 80+ years old in the Avengers now.
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I agree. After seeing the Captain America, the Avengers Cap looks like he's dressed in his USO tour version of the costume. Big step backward.
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Please. She got reduction surgery.
Incorrect.
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Yeah, I'm not seeing any credible evidence of this happening. Let's hope it is not true.
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I don't read the Hollywood rumor boards, but my theory is that she's lost weight to be more fit for the role. Plus the suit is compressing.
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The Avengers are this week's EW cover story:
Cover Pic (http://popwatch.ew.com/2011/09/29/the-avengers-exclusive-first-look-this-weeks-cover/)
Also, some inside pics here:
New Pics (http://www.ew.com/ew/gallery/0,,20483133_20532663,00.html)
(http://ewpopwatch.files.wordpress.com/2011/09/cover-ew-1175_300.jpg)
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Cool pictures Brian - thanks for posting. I got a little schoolgirl giddy just looking at Cap and Iron Man in the same scene on that first picture. I love that Hawk and Thor are in there too, though I'd much rather see Wasp and Giant Man in place of Hulk or Black Widow. No offense meant to Scarlet - it's just that the Black Widow has always been more of a spy character than a super-team character in my mind. I always felt like Hank Pym and Janet Van Dyne provided more character driven storylines, with their rocky marriage issues, Janet coming from money, Hank being a flawed husband and hero, and obviously the creation of super baddie Ultron, which leads to characters like Vision, Jocasta, etc.
I guess the Black Widow can provide some connection back to SHEILD, and maybe even a question of her true loyalties if she has to choose between the two. But I completely forgot that Hulk was going to be in this and find myself extra annoyed at his involvement.. Is anyone else bothered by Marvel's determination to promote the Hulk? He's had two failed movies, doesn't seem to be high in the Avengers fan base, and his powered-character doesn't seem like a good fit for a super-team. I hope they somewhat stick to the comic origin, using Hulk to initially bring the heroes together, then quickly drop him from the lineup. Hopefully characters like Vision, Black Panther, Scarlet Witch, Black Night, Wonderman, Ms. Marvel, etc. can take his place in the sequels.
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I agree Justin, I'd rather have seen Wasp and Giant Man as well...stays truer to the origin as well. I also like the angle of Vision as well and would love to see that in a sequel (and no Vision can't be some super computer or lame cloud thing...he must be an android)
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I'm really hoping (that is, if the Avengers does well) that we'll see more of the team in the sequel. I really think that Wasp, Ant Man, and Black Panther would be the next ones added to the roster, but I guess you never know. It seems like, from what I've read, that Marvel has hopes of a Black Panther solo movie at some point, so it would be a good way to introduce him as well.
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I wonder if the size changers were purposely left out because they weren't confident in their ability to show the size change on film? Does anyone know of other live action movies where they've successfully shrank or grown a character? I'm sure there are examples, but none come to mind.
I could honestly do without the Panther. He doesn't bring much to the table in terms of powers, so with somewhat unpowered characters in Widow, Cap, and Hawk, I'm not sure what he adds to the table. Same story with Swordsman, Mockingbird, Tigra, or other low powered characters. I would definitely like to see the size changers come on board, and they could easily build a plot around Wonderman, Black Knight, or War Machine coming on board. Even Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver would be nice additions. I'd think they have to include another woman or two on the team - it's a bit lopsided with just the Widow, especially when you compare to what they've done with X-Men (Storm, Jean, Mystique, White Queen, Rogue). Maybe we'll see Ms Marvel or She-Hulk strut their stuff in the sequels.
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I wonder if the size changers were purposely left out because they weren't confident in their ability to show the size change on film? Does anyone know of other live action movies where they've successfully shrank or grown a character? I'm sure there are examples, but none come to mind.
(http://www.movieposter.com/posters/archive/main/0/b70-373)
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What about the Lord of the Rings movies? Hobbits are short.
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I think Justin is talking more of the CGI of changing people's size on screen not having small and large characters.
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I think Justin is talking more of the CGI of changing people's size on screen not having small and large characters.
Right. Sorry I wasn't more clear about that.
Got my Entertainment Weekly with the Avengers cover in the mail today. They have an interesting bit about what movies will come AFTER the Avengers.
- Iron Man 3 - Thor 2 - "...will take Thor literally to other worlds"
- ANT-MAN! YES! - Tiny hero with major strength. Edgar Wright, the writer/director of Hot Fuzz has "developed an excellent draft."
- Guardians of the Galaxy
- Inhumans
Great to see the Iron Man and Thor franchises continue, and I'm stoked to hear Ant-Man is "definitely in the works" with a great script. I hope that means he's headed for Avengers 2. Pretty surprised to see Guardians and Inhumans on the list, but they could do some great things with both franchsies.
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Inhumans could be great, as long as they stay true to the original stories.
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I don't know. Would the average person really want to see a movie called "Ant-Man" ?
Now where is my "The Tick" movie? Spoon!
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I don't know. Would the average person really want to see a movie called "Ant-Man" ?
They flocked to "Blade"...
If it's a quality movie, people will go see it. Iron Man was a second-tier Marvel hero. They gave it to a quality director with an excellent script, gave him the budget and freedom he needed, and it became a spectacular hit and launched the Avengers.
Edgar Wright is absolutely brilliant, so at least they're on the right track for Ant-Man.
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I don't know if I'd call Iron Man second tier for Marvel. He's been center stage of the Marvel U for a long time now. As much as Marvel likes to tout Captain America, I'd bet the average person pre-movie was as likely to know Iron Man as they were Captain America.
Given Marvel's track record the last 5-6 years, I think people would go see a movie called Giraffe-Man if that's what Marvel wants to call it. Their only egg thus far was Hulk and most people don't even remember that they did that one. Both Iron Man films have been a hit, Thor & Cap have done well, and everyone is pysched about the Avengers. If they even hint that Ant-Man is Avengers related, I think it will do just fine.
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The Avengers movie Official Site (http://marvel.com/avengers_movie/) is up. Not too much new yet that I can see, but there are rumors the trailer will hit next week (maybe to coincide with NYCC).
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There will be an Avengers panel next Saturday at NY Comic Con. Chris Evans will reportedly take part, as will Kevin Feige.
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And Cobie Smulders!
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The Avengers movie Official Site (http://marvel.com/avengers_movie/) is up. Not too much new yet that I can see, but there are rumors the trailer will hit next week (maybe to coincide with NYCC).
Sounds like it has been officially confirmed that the theatrical trailer for the Avengers will hit online this Tuesday (the 11th). Looking forward to it.
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The Avengers movie Official Site (http://marvel.com/avengers_movie/) is up. Not too much new yet that I can see, but there are rumors the trailer will hit next week (maybe to coincide with NYCC).
Sounds like it has been officially confirmed that the theatrical trailer for the Avengers will hit online this Tuesday (the 11th). Looking forward to it.
Already?! Fantastic.
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Trailer (http://trailers.apple.com/trailers/marvel/avengers/) is up!
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Flat-out awesome... though I'm a bit worried that Robert Downey Jr. is gonna outshine everybody else.
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GEEK! That is all! 8)
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Looks awesome. Simply awesome.
Here's the YouTube link for anyone that doesn't have quicktime: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xuR3wSKeNOc
As for RDJ stealing the show, I thought I read somewhere that he was pushing for this, then backed off to have Iron Man actually share the load much more with the other characters. I think he's great and the banter with the Hulk/Cap should be fun. I just hope the Black Widow and Hawkeye characters don't get lost with all the attention on the bigger name heroes.
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I'm underwhelmed, and I don't trust Joss Whedon to make a good movie. :-\
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What? Serenity wasn't a good movie?
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What? Serenity wasn't a good movie?
I thought Serenity was great, and I liked his work with most of Buffy and Angel as well. I also read somewhere that he was an assistant director or something on Thor. Those credentials are enough to give me faith...
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There will be an Avengers panel next Saturday at NY Comic Con. Chris Evans will reportedly take part, as will Kevin Feige.
And Cobie Smulders!
Yeah, all three are reported to be attending.
Too bad Scarlett won't be there.
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So why does Hulk need a third actor for this movie? I assume the first 2 of those movies sucked so bad they didn't want to be in this super hero party movie?
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What? Serenity wasn't a good movie?
I thought Serenity was great, and I liked his work with most of Buffy and Angel as well. I also read somewhere that he was an assistant director or something on Thor. Those credentials are enough to give me faith...
I'm sure I'm way in the minority on a site like this, but I watched the Firefly series because a buddy insisted that I do so, and outside of Nathan Fillion being his usual funny self, I thought it was horrible. And Kenneth Branagh directed Thor, Joss Whedon directed the cut-scene after the credits that was the Avenger's tie-in. He had quite literally nothing to do with Thor's success.
Sorry to be the nay-sayer here, but Joss Whedon's work today just hassn't done anything for me at all.
So why does Hulk need a third actor for this movie? I assume the first 2 of those movies sucked so bad they didn't want to be in this super hero party movie?
From what I read Edward Norton wasn't getting along with someone (no idea who) and they just decided to not use him again. He was allegedly up for reprising the roll.
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(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3344/3438330199_05b3db4832_o.jpg)
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From what I read Edward Norton wasn't getting along with someone (no idea who) and they just decided to not use him again. He was allegedly up for reprising the roll.
I heard Norton was a pain to work with while filming his Hulk movie, and they decided not to hire him. I don't think either previous Hulk fits well with the continuity, so I'm fine with a reboot of the character.
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From what I read Edward Norton wasn't getting along with someone (no idea who) and they just decided to not use him again. He was allegedly up for reprising the roll.
I heard Norton was a pain to work with while filming his Hulk movie, and they decided not to hire him. I don't think either previous Hulk fits well with the continuity, so I'm fine with a reboot of the character.
From IMDB:
Negotiations between Norton and Marvel eventually broke down, and the role was instead offered to Mark Ruffalo, who accepted. Norton wrote a public response to the decision on his Facebook page, stating that he will not be appearing in The Avengers, but thanked Marvel Studios for considering letting him reprise the role.
The trailer looks great! I'm looking forward to this one.
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I'm sure I'm way in the minority on a site like this, but I watched the Firefly series because a buddy insisted that I do so, and outside of Nathan Fillion being his usual funny self, I thought it was horrible.
I couldn't watch the series... the cowboy/spaceman mash-up just didn't work for me. But I thought the Serenity movie was flat-out brilliant. Because of that I have all the faith in the world this movie will be awesome.
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New character poster HERE (http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/3970/329713261197959.jpg):
(http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/3970/329713261197959.jpg)
and HERE (http://l.yimg.com/i/i/uk/mov/58bn.jpg):
(http://l.yimg.com/i/i/uk/mov/58bn.jpg)
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I could have sworn in the original announcements for this movie, that Don Cheedle was also in the cast. Did they decide to drop War Machine from the line-up or is he in it for just a quick cameo? Anyone know?
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IMDB has him listed for Iron Man 3 but not Avengers. With as many characters as they have already, I'd be surprised to see him in anything but a cameo.
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I like Don Cheele but I still think they should have kept Terrence Howard. I really don't get the thought process behind that.
But, I'd be up for a War Machine film at some point and I hope IM3 (and 4 if they do it) will be as good as the first two at least. I still think RDJr as Tony Stark was one of the best casting decisions for a comic book movie ever.
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I still think RDJr as Tony Stark was one of the best casting decisions for a comic book movie ever.
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Hands down. He is the perfect Tony Stark from crazy inventor to macho ladies man to pompous rich guy to throw down, determined hero. All with a splash of dead pan comic tossed in. Easily one of my top 3 favorite actors based on the IM flicks alone.
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Its not much, but a preview of the Super Bowl commercial is up online (or, essentially, a preview of the preview) :)
http://www.newsarama.com/film/marvel-studios-avengers-super-bowl-120131.html (http://www.newsarama.com/film/marvel-studios-avengers-super-bowl-120131.html)
There was also a twitter chat with Joss Whedon and some of the cast earlier today, that you can read through here:
http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/GraphicCity/news/?a=53806 (http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/GraphicCity/news/?a=53806)
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I think this tops my "Most Anticipated" list for the year. I have been waiting 30 years for this movie. It looks awesome, and I love Joss' work. Can't wait!
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Marvel's The Avengers Super Bowl Extented (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=bGt-saFvkNk#!)
1 word... Geeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeek! :o 8)
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All I know is the trailer they showed during the SB SUCKED out loud.
Apparently they are teaming up to battle a series of randomly exploding cars?
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Marvel's The Avengers Super Bowl Extented (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=bGt-saFvkNk#!)
1 word... Geeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeek! :o 8)
Really psyched for this movie as well. The SB spot didn't necessarily have a ton of new footage, but I still think it looks pretty cool. Just that shot of all of them sort of back to back ready for the fight gave me goosebumps. If you haven't seen the extended version that DSJ posted, definitely check it out - some cool stuff at the end there.
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The extended trailer is pretty awesome. Especially the shots with the Hulk!
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Loki: "I have an army"
Stark: "We have a Hulk"
Point..match..game over!
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Looking at the trailer in still frames, I'm starting to wonder if Loki has enlisted the Frost Giants of Jotunheim.
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You'll also notice Avengers fighting each other...Loki mind control...no? I had heard that the Skrulls were involved at one point in time...perhaps they might be the Frost Giants you are seeing Nick?
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(http://www.creaturecantina.com/graphics_temp/avengers.jpg)
Look more like Skrulls to me, despite denials. Frost Giants weren't armored like that.
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Kevin Feige recently stated (http://www.craveonline.com/film/articles/181747-no-red-skull-or-skrulls-in-the-avengers) that the Skrulls are NOT involved in the Avengers. But the aliens in The Avengers are a race of aliens that have previously appeared in Marvel comics.
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I thought the the Skrulls (or at least the name) couldn't be used due to them being somehow tied into the Fantastic Four movie rights at Fox. Not sure if that is true or not. I believe there were shape-shifting, skrull-like aliens in the Ultimates books (which a lot of the movie stuff seems to come from), but I can't recall their name right now without digging out my books. Regardless, all signs point to it being some sort of alien race - hadn't heard anything about Frost giants previously, but I guess that is possible too.
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The Avengers have encountered lots of alien races. Those do not look like Skrulls to me - if they were, you'd think they would be many different shapes and sizes in the midst of battle. The picture looks like three-toed big blue feet...I would guess that these are some kind of Frost Giant in armor. If so, there may also be an alien race not pictured - maybe someone like the Kree?
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Kevin Feige also mentioned that the Kree aren't in the mix, either. Apparently someone had been hypothesizing about a Kree-Skrull war that spills over to Earth. This apparently isn't in the mix.
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The invaders from Avengers REVEALED!!! (http://www.aintitcool.com/node/53500)
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Nice, now we're robbing from other comic franchises?
SKRULLS = FANTASTIC FOUR
C'mon people! Is it really SO hard to find a compelling adversary from the hundreds of Avengers comics they have to draw from?
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Well, the Kree Skrull War arc is considered by many to be one of the greatest Avengers stories ever
I personally would have liked to have them kept with the Hulk/Loki thing and have Wasp and Doc Pym instead of Black Widow and Hawkeye so they could get to a Ultron/Vision. Although Vision would probably be a immobile Supercomputer or something lame
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I Think it's already been covered in this thread, but I'm with Scott. The Skrulls a big part of Avengers history, both past and present. The Skrull invasion of Earth a few years ago was mainly an Avengers storyline, with Yellowjacket turning out to be a Skrull, finding out Mockingbird (thought deceased) was really a Skrull, The Skrull invasion resulting in the death of the Wasp, Iron Man being fired as Security Director and head of SHEILD because of the Skrulls, the end of the Skrull invasion resulting in the formation of the Dark Avengers...they have been far more involved with the Avengers lately than with the FF. And yeah, the old Kree/Skrull war was a big chapter in Avengers history (and a great story available in trade if you haven't read it).
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It's pretty obvious they're using the first Ultimates books as the basis for this movie. In series 1, the Skrulls invade. In series 2, Loki leads an invasion. Seems like a marriage of the two.
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It's pretty obvious they're using the first Ultimates books as the basis for this movie. In series 1, the Skrulls invade. In series 2, Loki leads an invasion. Seems like a marriage of the two.
Yeah, but if that were true then Hawkeye wouldn't have his purple costu....er, okay but then Nick Fury would blac...Hmn. Guess so.
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BTW, the Skrulls were referred to as "Chitauri" in the Ultimates books, so Feige has something of an out for his comments.
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A couple new Avengers photos (http://www.aintitcool.com/node/53735)
I gotta say - the Cap costume is starting to grow on me. I'm not 100% sold... something about the helmet looks off... but it's not a train wreck.
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Yeah, these new photos of Cap aren't as bad as I orignially thought. I didn't like the new uniform from the start but it may not actually be that bad. The helmet, though? I still don't know about that.
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I wasn't a fan of the new Cap uniform as much, too. I thought the original uni was actually pretty awesome. But seeing it in context now, it seems to work.
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I don't mind the helmet. The spandex head-gear might work for spiderman or the X-Men as a way to protect your identity, but it's common knowledge who most of the Avengers are and half the team doesn't wear headgear. The only rationale for Cap putting something on his head is added protection, in which case a helmet probably makes more sense.
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Just don't see myself worrying about Cap's lid when there's something better to look at right beside him.
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Just don't see myself worrying about Cap's lid when there's something better to look at right beside him.
You must really like Hawkeye.
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New Poster (http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/8608/avengersposter2.jpg)
(http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/8608/avengersposter2.jpg)
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Cool looking poster. I don't follow comics, but how come the bow & arrow guy and the chick didn't have their own movie? Does Nick Fury have special powers too ? Looks like Ironman and Thor have good screen time...maybe?
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That poster is awful. The worst of Photoshop. The characters aren't in scale with respect to one another. That Hulk would be 30 feet tall. And they're all looking in random directions. Just really poor work. :P
Hawkeye and Black Widow are more minor characters in the Marvel Universe. I believe the actors are optioned for spin-off flicks, but the studio is waiting for Avengers to be a big hit first. Nick Fury is a normal human - no powers. Iron Man/Thor/Cap will certainly get the majority of the screen time. Each Iron Man film made over $300 million domestic. RDJ is the biggest draw here, and will get a lot of focus.
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agreed on the poster. that hulk looks ridiculous.
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If I were Chris Evans' agent, I'd be pissed.
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Ugh. Not a fan of the poster, but I'm not really a poster guy. :-\
Cool looking poster. I don't follow comics, but how come the bow & arrow guy and the chick didn't have their own movie? Does Nick Fury have special powers too ? Looks like Ironman and Thor have good screen time...maybe?
Marvel's big names over the years have been Spiderman, Captain America, Wolverine, and the Hulk. Iron Man and Thor have been big players in the comics, but lesser known by the public, so they needed movies to seed their origins. Black Widow and Hawkeye are definitely next tier characters. I think movies about each would have been cool, but they've kind of had their hands full with Iron Man, Iron Man 2, Thor, Captain America, & Hulk all leading to the Avengers flick. You get a good taste for the Black Widow in Iron Man 2 and a sneak peak at Hawkeye in the Thor movie, so they've all been introduced at some point even if they don't have their own movie. Like Hawk and Widow, Fury doesn't have any special powers...he's just a good secret agent. I think in the comics he was a WWII hero and took some serum that allows him to age slower, but that's it.
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but how come the chick didn't have their own movie?
We wish Scarlet had her own movie (or with me in the male lead) but she did have some pics running around. ;)
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Just drop everything and go watch:
http://trailers.apple.com/trailers/marvel/avengers/
Words don't suffice...
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OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! That looks so awesome. And much to my amazement, the Hulk looks pretty good!
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1 word... Geeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeek! :o 8)
Is it the 4th yet? How about now... now... now...
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Awesome, just awesome. Can't wait for May 4th.
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I have some serious goosebumps. Looks incredible. I can't wait to see the Iron Man vs. Thor throwdown.
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That looks awesome!
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I really liked that trailer. I hope they don't cut this movie too short. Give me at least 2.5 hours of superhero goodness!!!
I didn't realize this was coming out in April?!?
EDIT: the trailer I saw on YouTube was the UK trailer and it said in theatres April 26.
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Release dates for The Avengers:
Country Date
Australia 25 April 2012
Belgium 25 April 2012
France 25 April 2012
Italy 25 April 2012
New Zealand 25 April 2012
Argentina 26 April 2012
Chile 26 April 2012
Denmark 26 April 2012
Germany 26 April 2012
Hong Kong 26 April 2012
Hungary 26 April 2012
Israel 26 April 2012
Netherlands 26 April 2012
Brazil 27 April 2012
Colombia 27 April 2012
Norway 27 April 2012
Paraguay 27 April 2012
Spain 27 April 2012
Sweden 27 April 2012
Turkey 27 April 2012
UK 27 April 2012
Singapore 1 May 2012
Portugal 3 May 2012
Russia 3 May 2012
Slovenia 3 May 2012
Canada 4 May 2012
Estonia 4 May 2012
India 4 May 2012
Lithuania 4 May 2012
Poland 4 May 2012
Romania 4 May 2012
USA 4 May 2012
Internet, before release dates! :P
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Avengers trailer sets iTunes download record. (http://www.webpronews.com/the-avengers-trailer-gets-13-7-million-views-in-24-hours-2012-03)
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I saw scans of some new LEGO Avengers toy which had the "mystery villains" prominently pictured on the front of the box. AND YOU STILL CAN'T TELL WHAT THE $%^& THEY ARE!
Top 4 theories from around the Interwebz:
1) Skrulls
2) Kree
3) Inhumans
4) Atlanteans
I hope they go with #2, it's the only one not lifted right out of the pages of the Fantastic Four.
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I saw scans of some new LEGO Avengers toy which had the "mystery villains" prominently pictured on the front of the box. AND YOU STILL CAN'T TELL WHAT THE $%^& THEY ARE!
Top 4 theories from around the Interwebz:
1) Skrulls
2) Kree
3) Inhumans
4) Atlanteans
I hope they go with #2, it's the only one not lifted right out of the pages of the Fantastic Four.
Looking at the ships, I'd say Skrulls.
But Frost Giants are also in that list of possibilities.
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Joss Whedon talks Avengers at SXSW (http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1680860/sxsw-2012-joss-whedon-avengers.jhtml).
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Now known as Avengers Assemble in the UK to avoid confusion with the TV series and 1998 film.
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Top 4 theories from around the Interwebz:
1) Skrulls
2) Kree
3) Inhumans
4) Atlanteans
I hope they go with #2, it's the only one not lifted right out of the pages of the Fantastic Four.
I was just rereading your last sentence and laughed, in the last 4 months there was a giant Kree invasion in the pages of the Fantastic Four. #600-604.
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I'll come in and give you guys a thumbs up or down after we see it, no way this isnt being seen on opening day
Sad thing here is as Australia isnt a huge population this isnt even getting a midnight release :(
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I was just rereading your last sentence and laughed, in the last 4 months there was a giant Kree invasion in the pages of the Fantastic Four. #600-604.
Yeah, I definitely would have missed that. I stopped collecting that book the day that John Byrne left. It will always be dead to me after that. I only need the first 5 issues to complete my collection too...so close!
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I was just rereading your last sentence and laughed, in the last 4 months there was a giant Kree invasion in the pages of the Fantastic Four. #600-604.
Yeah, I definitely would have missed that. I stopped collecting that book the day that John Byrne left. It will always be dead to me after that. I only need the first 5 issues to complete my collection too...so close!
That's impressive! I give this Hickman run the thumbs up. I came in recently around issue 583 and it's at 604 now. I love the book. If you go to comic cons and you can grab them at .50 cents or 1.00 you might want to check them out.
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How did they end up bringing back the Torch? I stopped reading after he was left in the negative zone to die...
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How did they end up bringing back the Torch? I stopped reading after he was left in the negative zone to die...
I guess SPOILER ALERT is appropriate.
So Torch stayed in the Negative Zone to seal the door so the Annihilation Wave wouldn't come through. He killed a **** ton of the wave by going nova, twice, then Annihilus smacked him over the head with some mallet or something. Torch died. Then some creatures in the annihilation wave brought him back to life with some healing worms or something. They used him as a gladiator in an arena for their amusement. He died and was resurrected over and over. Then one day they couldn't kill him and he broke out with the other Gladiatiors. He beat Annihilus down and took the cosmic control rod. Then he took command of the Annihilation Wave and showed up to help the Avengers and Fantastic Four fend off the Kree invasion of Earth. Mehhh and that's pretty much where we are now.
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Thanks for the background. I figured it wouldn't be long until we saw him again. I wonder if this means he's immortal now?
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THE AVENGERS - "Head Count" TV Spot (HD) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lwxDZFmo54o)
(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i306/DSJcdn/Zero-X%20Harlock%20Diecasts/HeadCountTrailer.jpg)
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I saw that photo last night on Marvellous News, but not the new trailer. Thanks Dale!
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Another one of the recent commercials put out for Avengers, love the end of this one:
http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/Wolvie09/news/?a=57493 (http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/Wolvie09/news/?a=57493)
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Another one of the recent commercials put out for Avengers, love the end of this one:
http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/Wolvie09/news/?a=57493 (http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/Wolvie09/news/?a=57493)
Awesome. That shot of the helicarrier is pretty sweet too!
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Another one of the recent commercials put out for Avengers, love the end of this one:
http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/Wolvie09/news/?a=57493 (http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/Wolvie09/news/?a=57493)
Yeah - this one does have a great ending - and I agree with Jman - the shot of the helicarrier is really nice as well....
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Finally...Avengers Aliens revealed (spoilers obviously)
http://www.g4tv.com/attackoftheshow/blog/post/722736/the-avengers-alien-invaders-revealed/
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I saw footage from the Red Carpet Premiere last night.
WTF was Charlie from LOST doing there? Is that little weasel actually IN this movie? Dude must lead a charmed life...so far the only project he's been involved with that hasn't been an epic success was Flash Forward. (ugh)
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Must have been hobnobbing. I don't Avengers listed for him on IMDB.
BTW - purchased my tickets for 5/4 on Fandango yesterday. Had a gift card from Christmas, and figured this was a showing that will almost certainly sell out.
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Finally...Avengers Aliens revealed (spoilers obviously)
http://www.g4tv.com/attackoftheshow/blog/post/722736/the-avengers-alien-invaders-revealed/
IIRC, that ties in with some of the plot line we saw in the Ultimate Avengers animated feature.
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Neat clip from Avengers:
http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/JakeLester/news/?a=57863 (http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/JakeLester/news/?a=57863)
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Fan reviews are starting to pop up... and the buzz is highly positive. That's a great relief. I expect we'll see a lot more after this weekend's sneak peaks.
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This is the kind of movie buzz that Disney should have made for John Carter. Disney's marketing team is really weird. They pump up Avengers and ignore John Carter.
I don't know how many of you have seen the Avengers monorail at WDW.
(http://www.miceshots.com/usr/65/2012-03-31-3186.jpg)
(http://www.miceshots.com/usr/65/2012-03-31-3189.jpg)
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This is the kind of movie buzz that Disney should have made for John Carter. Disney's marketing team is really weird. They pump up Avengers and ignore John Carter.
I read something a while ago that the Carter was a movie green-lit by a previous executive. The current executive had little incentive to see it succeed. Or something along those lines.
That said, Disney did spend millions promoting John Carter. It just had failure written all over it. All the early polling indicated there was no audience. So they weren't going to plaster John Carter on the monorail. Avengers, OTOH, is a guaranteed blockbuster. You celebrate successes like this. The monorail isn't going to sell movie tickets. It's more like "Hey - we're the guys who did Avengers - we're awesome."
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Very cool pics of the monorail!
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The first round of reviews: Gushingly positive (http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/marvels_the_avengers/)
My favorite blurb:
It's phenomenally awesome. No review for the film really matters anyway because you'd be mental to miss the biggest superhero film event since we were pooped out from the big bang.
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So, my local theater is running a pretty slick party for the Avengers release. Starting May 3rd at 11:30 am, they are going to show all of the movies leading up to the Avengers (Iron Man, Iron Man 2, Hulk, Thor, Captain America). Cost is $40, then directly following you can watch the midnight release of the Avengers. I already have plans to see it on the 4th or I would jump on this. Not sure if I could actually survive 14 hours in a theater, but I would love to give it a shot.
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AMC is doing that at a number of theaters, and many have sold out.
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AMC is doing that at a number of theaters, and many have sold out.
I figured it was wide spread, but surprised that ehy sold out! Anyone going to do this?
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Here's some info about the sold out shows (http://www.investor.amctheatres.com/releasedetail.cfm?ReleaseID=662513)
And here's all the theaters they added. (http://go.amctheatres.com/marvel)
As much as I'd like to go, I don't think I can skip out on my other obligations.
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I went to a marathon of all three Lord of the Rings movies at a theater in Geneva, NY. They showed the theater cut not the director's cut, but they made it an event with food, costume contest and some vendors in the lobby. It was a long day but it was fun. I don't know if I could do 6 films though, especially in a sold out theater where you're packed in with that many people.
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It's a cool idea, but spending an entire day at the theater like that can be exhausting. It's not like watching a movie while sitting in the comfort of your own home, where you can pause the action and take a break. Sure, there will be some intermissions if you go to the theater. But the sensory experience of the theater screen and sound can be kind of overwhelming.
I saw a couple of movies in the theater in one day a few years ago. IIRC, it was the first Transformers in the afternoon, and Harry Potter that night. By the time I had seen the second film I was kind of wiped out. To me, seeing 6 films in a row like that would not be enjoyable. Especially when the film you really want to see is the last in the marathon.
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Kind of defeats the purpose for me purchasing all the Blu Rays and an HDTV.
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Epic must see Avengers trailer! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x0jBF912xYY)
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Epic must see Avengers trailer! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x0jBF912xYY)
Hilarious.
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I just watched the post-movie-credits scene... PM me if you want a link to get your **** spoiled.
Edit: link is now dead. Video pulled by Marvel.
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Epic must see Avengers trailer! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x0jBF912xYY)
Hilarious.
I'm not exactly sure what that was but it made me laugh!
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It was a mash-up of various 1970s and '80s Marvel movies and TV shows, along with "Iron Man" and "Black Widow" footage I'm unfamiliar with. Thor appeared in one of the last TV Hulk specials.
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I believe I saw a Cylon Raider in there!
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I believe I saw a Cylon Raider in there!
There are a couple of them actually...
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I just watched the post-movie-credits scene... PM me if you want a link to get your **** spoiled.
Edit: link is now dead. Video pulled by Marvel.
I do not want to know this time. I think I've looked up most of them through the years, but I want to be surprised this time around.
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Came out today in Aus, just got back from seeing it
BEST MOVIE EVER!!!!
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I just watched the post-movie-credits scene... PM me if you want a link to get your **** spoiled.
Edit: link is now dead. Video pulled by Marvel.
Damn! They're really gonna go there?!?!
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Came out today in Aus, just got back from seeing it
BEST MOVIE EVER!!!!
Good to hear.
PS: I hate you. EIGHT MORE DAYS :-\
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Good to hear.
PS: I hate you. EIGHT MORE DAYS :-\
Hahaha suck it America, about time we get some movies before you guys, going to see it again tomorrow night with my two eldest kids
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There was a Avengers screening going on last night in Manhattan... not sure how people got tickets.
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Picked up my ticket for next Thursday's midnight showing.
Watched IM and Incredible Hulk this week, tomorrow night IM2 and then Thor and CA on Sunday to get ready for next week.
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We've been watching the other movies building up to at as well, with Cap coming this weekend. We'll be going sometime next weekend (prob Saturday), can't wait.
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Around-the-World Roundup: ‘The Avengers’ Assemble $178.4 Million Overseas Debut (http://boxofficemojo.com/news/?id=3431&p=.html)
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Got my tickets for the 7:15 show tomorrow night. Can't believe it's finally here!
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Just got back from a 3D showing (yeah yeah) at Alamo Drafthouse... AWESOME.
Vague comments that don't spoil anything:
- The 3D was very well done, and this is coming from a guy who hates 3D movies... MUCH better than Captain America's 3D version, which I had considered the "best" of the few 3D movies I've seen
- Mark RuffalOWN. Seriously, I was expecting the worst Hulk, but he ended up being the best part of the movie
- They still managed to sneak in some ass shots of ScarJo 8) Was kinda hoping for more Cobie Smulders, but I'll take what I can get
STAY AFTER THE CREDITS. There are TWO scenes, one in the middle and one at the very end.
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- They still managed to sneak in some ass shots of ScarJo 8) Was kinda hoping for more Cobie Smulders, but I'll take what I can get
STAY AFTER THE CREDITS. There are TWO scenes, one in the middle and one at the very end.
These are 2 spoilers I'm glad to hear. ;D
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2 hours to go...
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What is at the very end! damn it, i left after the first.
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They kill off Stark! :o
Just kidding.
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Just got back from seeing it. Awesome movie!
Definitely the best Hulk movie ever made. Mark Ruffalo did an excellent job.
The scene where Black Widow is talking to Loki in his cell was the best IMAX experience ever....dat ass!
The Dark Knight has a lot to live up to if it is going to be the movie of the summer (which I hope it is)!
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Wow. Just wow. My new favorite movie ever. I cannot get over how good this was. Joss Whedon is a God. Great use of all the characters, a plot that makes sense, non-stop action and meainingful plot, lots of SJ bootie shots, unreal visuals, and a handful of great jokes that had the audience rolling. This one's got it all. And the Hulk...Ruffalo really does steal the show. Avengers fan or not, this movie is a must see. I can't wait to watch it again!
Spoilers for those who missed the clips at the end:
The first clip hits about 1/3 of the way through the credits. There's a discussion between two aliens, as one is telling the others that the humans were not the weak, easily dominated species they initially thought, and that attacking them again would be "courting death." The second alien, who is obviously behind everything, turns and smiles, and is revealed to be Thanos. As Marvel guys know, Thanos does court death.
The second bonus is at the very end. After they win the day, Stark says they should take a few days off and go out for some kind of dinner...I forget what the type of food is, but he says they should try it. So, at the very end you get about 2 minutes of the team just sitting there chewing on some lunch. They do not appear to be enjoying it. There's no big reveal - just funny to see the 6 superheroes hanging out, not enjoying lunch at a restaurant.
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HULK SMASH!! - he stole the show...much better in this movie then the first two Hulk movies combined ;D
I didn't quite get the second final clip....
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Ultimate Avengers cartoon movie ended the same way.
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HULK SMASH!! - he stole the show...much better in this movie then the first two Hulk movies combined ;D
I didn't quite get the second final clip....
Just a got back from a showing and was going to post how surprised inwas that the weakest link of all the character movies absolutely stole the show on avengers.
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Just got back from the matinee with my wife. Awesome movie. There was just the right mix of action, dialogue and humor. Will definitely see it again on the big screen before it goes away.
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I didn't quite get the second final clip....
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'Right after they revived Stark at the end of the final battle, he said he wanted to have shawarma with all of them and that he didn't even know what it was, but he wanted to try it. The final scene showed them eating shawarma together.
This still makes no sense to me....even though this makes sense..in some sense
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The final scene was pure, gratuitous Whedon. With the way he knocked this one out of the park, he was due some indulgence. ;D
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Mmmmm. Shawarma. Good stuff.
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Avengers could break $200 million opening weekend (http://www.deadline.com/2012/05/avengers-now-260-5m-overseas-could-reach-585m-worldwide-through-sunday-with-u-s-canada-russia-china-openings/)
Success well-deserved!
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Best moment of the movie: Hulk beating the **** out of Loki at the end. Me, my wife, and everyone I could see around me had their mouths dropped open in disbelief. So sick.
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Best moment of the movie: Hulk beating the **** out of Loki at the end. Me, my wife, and everyone I could see around me had their mouths dropped open in disbelief. So sick.
That, and when the guy was playing Galaga.
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Stark in the helli carrier bridge when he looked around at the monitors with one hand over an eye, took me a second to work out what he was doing, then when he said it I laughed so hard.
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Best moment of the movie: Hulk beating the **** out of Loki at the end. Me, my wife, and everyone I could see around me had their mouths dropped open in disbelief. So sick.
Same here, my favorite moment of the movie (in a movie that was full of them). That got big cheers in the showing we went to on Saturday as well. I agree with everything that everyone has said...just an amazing movie. Deserves all the acclaim (and money) it is getting. I hope to see it again before it leaves theaters.
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Best moment of the movie: Hulk beating the **** out of Loki at the end. Me, my wife, and everyone I could see around me had their mouths dropped open in disbelief. So sick.
That and when Hulk and Thor finish tearing into a big alien creature. Thor looks ready to shake his hand only to have Hulk knock him out. Priceless.
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Best moment of the movie: Hulk beating the **** out of Loki at the end. Me, my wife, and everyone I could see around me had their mouths dropped open in disbelief. So sick.
This...
Although my only real beef is that Hulk went from uncontrollable raging monster to Superhero with no real explanation. I'm still not hip on the lineup they used (again Mr and Mrs Pym would have been my choice). That said...it was absolutely and totally awesome. I've been a Marvel and Avengers fan since I started reading comics in 4th grade. I got chills when they circled up in uniform down on the street. Maybe next time Cap will yell "Avengers Assemble!"
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Although my only real beef is that Hull went from uncontrollable raging monster to Superhero with no real explanation.
This was the same question my wife had leaving the theater. Not sure how to explain that one either...
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I took it that the Hulk is somewhat simple minded and just needed to be pointed in the right direction. If you go back to the TV show, he wasn't without heart or compassion. When there's an invasion, Cap points him at the bad guys and he goes to town, but he still saves that punch for Thor, so he's not all Super Hero exactly. You also have to think that the Hulk learns and has memmories just like Banner does. Maybe he starts figuring out what side to be on after the Hellicarier battle.
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Thanks for reminding me Justin...the first Hulk transformation with the ripping shirt was good flashbacks to the TV show
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LOVED this. Whedon just punched his ticket. This movie was so damned good, I really have trouble finding fault with anything. The Hulk was totally awesome.
As far as the Hulk goes, I think it was strongly implied that Banner had learned how to control the Hulk to an extent, even going back to the coda of The Incredible Hulk. I think when he went nuts on the carrier, it was because he didn't initiate the transformation.
I guess my one gripe would be the ultra-generic looking alien cannon fodder. Why they kept that a secret forever is lost on me. It did not hinder the movie at all, but what was all the cloak and dagger about?
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Good point on the aliens. I thought that part of the story was lacking a bit. I get that they found Loki and made a deal with him, but I'm not familiar with that race from the comics or what they're about. They seem to have combined organic & mechanic tech, which would be interesting to know a little more about. I can never figure out why they don't include things like this in a little piece of dialogue. Fury could have a file on them, Loki could have said more about them when he is discussing plans early on...lots of options here to give us 60 seconds on what these guys were all about.
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Fury probably wouldn't have a file on a species of aliens that nobody knew about before... unless it was an X-File! ;)
I think "generic invading force" worked fine. They wanted the cube. Loki had it. Why do we need to know much more about them? They already had what - 8 major characters and a handful of minor ones to give motivation/depth too. Throwing up more info on why the Chitauri want the cube to conquer the universe wouldn't add much, IMO.
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I think "generic invading force" worked fine. They wanted the cube. Loki had it. Why do we need to know much more about them? They already had what - 8 major characters and a handful of minor ones to give motivation/depth too. Throwing up more info on why the Chitauri want the cube to conquer the universe wouldn't add much, IMO.
I completely agree. I guess I just question why they kept it so hush-hush. It definitely did not detract from the movie in any way.
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I think "generic invading force" worked fine. They wanted the cube. Loki had it. Why do we need to know much more about them? They already had what - 8 major characters and a handful of minor ones to give motivation/depth too. Throwing up more info on why the Chitauri want the cube to conquer the universe wouldn't add much, IMO.
I completely agree. I guess I just question why they kept it so hush-hush. It definitely did not detract from the movie in any way.
I just got home from seeing the movie. First? WOW!
Second, I think there will be more revealed about the Chitauri in a future installment of Avengers. Especially considering the first credit teaser scene. The Chitauri leader started the film conspiring with Loki. At some point we may see more about Loki and how he was able to link up with the Chitauri, and their own motivations.
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My understanding is that the Chitauri aren't even from the regular Marvel Earth-616. It seems that they are from the Ultimate Universe which I do not follow pretty much at all.
I'd have preferred Skrulls. Or Kree. Or Annihilation Wave. All of which have attempted to invade Earth numerous times.
But considering the Chitauri tried to take over Earth, they really didn't factor into the story much anyhow.
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Final numbers are in for the domestic weekend gross:
$207,438,708
That's nuts!
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Fury probably wouldn't have a file on a species of aliens that nobody knew about before... unless it was an X-File! ;)
I was thinking they may have an Area 51 file from capturing a Chitauri spy or something. I'm not looking for a lengthy history or major character detailing here - just a little something more to understand who/what they are. Why did they need Loki to get the cube or lead them if they had this huge invasion force? Have they been watching Earth long? Are they a race of conquerors? Are they slaves fighting against their will? Do they want land? Slaves? Water? What's up with their technology being partially alive? It seems like they're just a convenient way to get all the Avengers mixing it up at once.
I guess I just wanted more of a sense of purpose from these guys. I doubt a true invasion plan of Earth would have been centered around a single portal opening above New York City, where the invading army intends to take over the planet by blowing up buildings and killing as many NYC office workers and cab drivers as they can.
I'd have been just fine with another minute of dialogue between Loki and Head Chitauri Dude, explaining something like this:
- The Chitauri are a race of warriors who have already conquered everything in their sector of space.
- They have been able to defeat everyone due to their unique cyborg tech, weaving organic and mechanical contstructs into weapons
- Resources and labor are running thin for the Chitauri Empire
- They are looking to expand their rule and Earth is ripe with slaves, but too distant without the Cube to bring them there and sustain their invasion
- Once they destory New York they can use it as an example to get the countries of Earth to surrender
It's not perfect, but that little explanation or something like it would have gone a long way in helping make the Chirauri invasion at least somewhat credible. I loved the movie and will definitely watch again - this is really my only complaint with it.
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I agree with that regarding the 'who, what, how and why' of the Chitari; it's kind of like GL story-telling: "read the book if you want motivation, exposition, explanations, I'm all about putting the big digital bang on the screen!"
all kidding aside, the Avengers was very well done and I thoroughly enjoyed it!
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I haven't seen the movie yet but is the plot the same as the one used in the Ultimate Avengers movie from a few years ago? They used the Chitauri too.
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It is very much a combination of the first two Ultimates series.
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$207,438,708
Am I the only person left in America who hasn't seen this yet...? Man, Cap & Friends sure have set the summer bar high for Batman and Spidey. :-X
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I saw it again, and Thanos is there right at the beginning, pulling the strings with the Chitauri leader. It is implied that the Chitauri are his army (or more to the point, it is never implied that they are only teaming up with Thanos). So their motivation is left intentionally vague for the reveal in the credits. Again, their motivation is not at all important to the plot of the film.
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Also, Loki is directly asked by Thor who he is working for and he does not answer.
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I haven't. Taking a half day off work tomorrow and going while the wife is at work and the girls are at daycare. 8)
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$207,438,708
Am I the only person left in America who hasn't seen this yet...? Man, Cap & Friends sure have set the summer bar high for Batman and Spidey. :-X
It's down to you and my mom I think. And she has tickets for the Thursday matinee.
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I'm going to hit it this afternoon.
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I saw it again, and Thanos is there right at the beginning, pulling the strings with the Chitauri leader. It is implied that the Chitauri are his army (or more to the point, it is never implied that they are only teaming up with Thanos). So their motivation is left intentionally vague for the reveal in the credits. Again, their motivation is not at all important to the plot of the film.
You saw Thanos in the beginning of the movie? I totally missed that. Can you elaborate on what you saw? I'm going to have to see this again sooner than I planned.
Importance to the plot is subjective. You might have been okay with them just flying in to shoot up NYC, but clearly myself and others were looking for a little more. Their motivation and true objective isn't clear to me at all. Thanos is a genius/strategist, so if he really wanted to take over Earth, I think his plan might be a little more elaborate. That said, maybe he intentionally staged all of this to bring the Avengers together. Maybe he wants them working as a team for some greater purpose or wanted to see their capabilities for the next stage of his plan. If that were the case, then I think it does make sense to have an army of aliens just pop in and start fighting without any strategic targets or plan in place. A little strange that he wouldn't find a way to snatch the cube in the process though. Even if his plans are bigger, that's a pretty amazing power source to just leave behind.
I'm also going to go on record as hoping we have something more to look forward to than an ongoing story about Asgard and the Cosmic Cube. I really like the way they tied the Thor and Captain America movies into this one to tell a bigger story about Loki and the Cube, but I think I might have been happier seeing Loki and the army fall, with some unrelated evil plot on the horizon for the next film. I like building off prior movies (think Star Trek films) versus telling one long story over 3 or more pictures. Just seems like there are so many other stories and villians to pursue. Ultron? Masters of Evil? Kang? Yes please!
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You saw Thanos in the beginning of the movie? I totally missed that. Can you elaborate on what you saw? I'm going to have to see this again sooner than I planned.
You don't see Thanos. You see the Chitauri leader guy narrating at the beginning. On first viewing it's not obvious he's talking to someone. On the second you can tell he's reporting to a superior.
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You saw Thanos in the beginning of the movie? I totally missed that. Can you elaborate on what you saw? I'm going to have to see this again sooner than I planned.
You don't see Thanos. You see the Chitauri leader guy narrating at the beginning. On first viewing it's not obvious he's talking to someone. On the second you can tell he's reporting to a superior.
Exactly.
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On my first viewing I got the sense that the Chitauri leader was having a conversation. Anything else would be seem like exposition for it's own sake. The post credits scene just cemented that it was a conversation, and that it was with Thanos.
So in the sequel, I think we're left with some questions? Do you introduce Starfox as well?
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Starfox is such a C lister that I can't see that happening. Again to me the whole Pym deal should have been here and axed Black Widow and Hawkeye...then they could have added Vision and Wonder Man...
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Starfox is such a C lister that I can't see that happening. Again to me the whole Pym deal should have been here and axed Black Widow and Hawkeye...then they could have added Vision and Wonder Man...
I would have enjoyed this direction as well. They could have covered Pym's breakdown in #2 and dealt with Ultron. Lots of ramifications coming out of that storyline. It will be interesting to see what they do with the characters. They have an A-list group of actors now, so it would be hard to take some of them out of the mix. I could have seen Hulk going away, but everone loved him in this one, so that might force them to keep him around again. Maybe Hawk and Widow? OR will the cast stay the same?
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Black Widow and Hawkeye were part of the Ultimates books, which was the basis of the movies. They're only extraneous in the sense that they weren't in the original Avengers.
Granted there were a lot of other characters in The Ultimates, Giant Man and the Wasp among them, but so were Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch (as incestuous siblings...). But my point though is that Hawkeye and Black Widow have as much right to be in the movies and any of the other Ultimates. I don't see them being replaced in favor of anyone else... especially given how well they've been received.
It'll be interesting to see if Edgar Wright's Ant-Man plays into Avengers 2.
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Starfox is such a C lister that I can't see that happening. Again to me the whole Pym deal should have been here and axed Black Widow and Hawkeye...then they could have added Vision and Wonder Man...
Starfox's deal has always been his tie-in with Thanos, without a doubt. Without that link he's not that interesting of a character. But the introduction of Thor has brought with it the concept of super-powered aliens.
The Ant Man movie may eventually lead to some sort of involvement with the Avengers down the line. Although that's slated for 2014. Will that be enough time before another installment of Avengers?
Well, Iron Man 3 is slated for 2013, and that's already shaping up to be interesting. Captain America 2 & Thor 2 are both slated for 2014. And there's also a new Hulk movie in development with Mark Ruffalo signed for the role. With that kind of schedule, you've got to think that Avengers 2 could be about 3 years out at the very least.
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Also keep in mind that Hawkeye and Widow are not really too FX-heavy to present on film (comparatively speaking). With IM and Hulk being completely CG, I am sure that the idea of adding two more characters with a lot of FX budget played into the decision.
PLUS, Hawkeye and especially Widow represent the "everyman" in this story. They are highly skilled at what they do, but the other Avengers are on such a higher level than they are. See Widow's reaction to nearly being trampled. She fears Banner.
They could easily do Ultron as Jarvis going out of control or have Banner and Stark accidentally create him. I think sometimes we try to very rigidly make the movies match the source material, but as long as it is entertaining, who cares if it follows issue 367 panel-for-panel? This series has been based on The Ultimates, but that never means that they have some slavish obligation not to go in a different direction.
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Hence the exclusion of Quicksilver / Scarlet Witch incest... ;)
If Ant-Man moves forward they can easily incorporate both him and Wasp in Avengers 2. Probably minus the spousal abuse from The Ultimates...
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And there's also a new Hulk movie in development with Mark Ruffalo signed for the role. With that kind of schedule, you've got to think that Avengers 2 could be about 3 years out at the very least.
This isn't 100% accurate... Ruffalo was signed to reprise the role of Banner in 6 films, but that does not mean a Hulk film. He could show up in IM3 and he'll surely be in Avengers 2. I see many making the leap that there will be a new Hulk movie, but past box office performance makes that a very risky proposition.
Many times, a studio will lock in an actor for several films "just in case" so that if they need him, he is obligated to perform. They could just as easily tear up the contract. I believe Norton was signed for multiple films as well, but we all know how that turned out.
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Bob Iger:
"The Avengers isn't just a film. It's a franchise from our perspective. Obviously, it was helped a lot by the success of the 'Iron Man' movies and of 'Thor' and 'Captain America'. From 'The Avengers' we get a chance to make 'Thor 2' and 'Captain America 2' and 'Iron Man 3' and hopefully another 'Avengers' movie. So this one film that is immensely successful... is going to get a number of other films and franchises...We have an ability to leverage what was a very fun film done by a great group of filmmakers into something much bigger for the company," he continues, "and the effect will be prolonged and that's very, very exciting for us."
This isn't to say there won't be a Hulk 2 (3?), but I doubt we'll see it before Avengers 2. It seems like they have things planned out for the next few years.
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I know that Sam Jackson signed for 9 films but I don't remember if that was before or after IM (so I don't know if IM is included in the 9). So they're definitely looking at him for the long haul but that doesn't mean we'll get a Nick Fury movie just like I don't know if we'll get more Hulk films. But that would be cool to see, a Nick Fury and S.H.I.E.L.D. origin film could be fun.
I'm hoping we get a Hawkeye origins film. Not to give too much away, but it seemed like there's some backstory with him and Widow and a film exploring that would be excellent.
I'm all for seeing other characters on the Avengers but if they do add people, I hope they subtract somewhere also. We've seen it before where too many villains in a movie (Spider-Man 3) really hurt things and the same can happen with too many heroes as well. What really helped the Avengers is that we had 4 origins stories prior to the film and the fact that Joss Whedon is a good writer and director. If we find ourselves with a new writing/directing team and they're not quite as good, things could go south fast.
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I know that Sam Jackson signed for 9 films but I don't remember if that was before or after IM (so I don't know if IM is included in the 9).
In February 2009, Samuel L. Jackson signed a nine-picture deal with Marvel Entertainment to play the role of Nick Fury in Iron Man 2 and other films, acting as a vehicle for characters such as Captain America, Thor, the Avengers, and S.H.I.E.L.D.
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I didn't bother with CapN America or Thor movies, but looks like I missed out on origins of the cube and the Loki guy? Didn't matter though.
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I guess if Jackson ever gets tired of being Nike Fury. We can get this guy to do it again....
(http://images.wikia.com/marveldatabase/images/2/29/Nick_Fury_Agent_of_Shield_film.jpg)
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Saw it today. I was most impressed that the Avengers could keep the baddies within a 4 block radius around Grand Central station! ;)
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I saw it today as well. Loved, loved it.
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I didn't bother with CapN America or Thor movies, but looks like I missed out on origins of the cube and the Loki guy? Didn't matter though.
If you're interested, Captain America gives a little more perspective on how the Nazis/Hydra used the Cube and where it came from. Thor's movie covers a little bit of the relationship between him and Loki. He's more of an Eddie Haskle type in Thor. Neat cameo with Hawkeye in that one as well.
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$207,438,708
Am I the only person left in America who hasn't seen this yet...? Man, Cap & Friends sure have set the summer bar high for Batman and Spidey. :-X
If you use 'America' in the broader sense to include those of us dependent almost entirely upon you to purchase our export products, then no.
I really want to see it and the reviews are all great, though I'm trying to gloss over much of the discussion to avoid ruining any aspects of the film. But I have very little enjoyment going to theaters anymore as some knob always has their cellphone going doing something or more likely I'm beside one of the "narrator" types that has to chat throughout the whole thing. With my old job my hours were flexible enough that I could catch a noon show and see the movies I wanted. No longer so it'll be a while before I see this. :-\
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Caught it again this weekend, just as great as the first time. Can't wait for this to hit blu ray (sounds like September 25th maybe?), definitely a movie I could watch over and over. Looking forward to the rest of the summer with Spidey, Batman, GI Joe, and Brave (Pixar's latest)....then onto the Hobbit in December :).
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Yeah, September 25th is the expected date for the Blu Ray release. It does seem pretty far off, and I agree: I could watch this movie several times over. I'm just a little disappointed that it's already out of the IMAX theaters. I saw it in 3-D, but seeing it in IMAX 3-D would've been pretty cool.
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What's the deal with a 3 hour director's cut coming out later this summer?
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What's the deal with a 3 hour director's cut coming out later this summer?
Hmmn. I thought the movie was near perfect as is. Would be interesting to see what else they left out though...
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That is one unfortunate action figure stand...
(http://www.pswcs.com/graphics_temp/download.jpg)
I can't figure out if this one is as gorgeous as the first Black Widow they sold or not...
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Why is the stand like that?
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That's how I'd be if I were the stand.
But seriously - no idea. Maybe they're always like that.
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Think same stand as the 1st release, they just extended it all the way...
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That is really the optimal way to display figures of any type. Raising it up to be under each armpit is how I did it for the longest time but it can be limiting. Going "the crotch route" can get a lot of cooler poses out of the figure at least in my experience.
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That's a pretty amazing action figure. I've avoided Hot Toys to this point, but that's going to be tough to resist.
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Worth EVERY PENNY! (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2170105/Scarlett-Johansson-set-make-history-best-paid-female-actor-time-13million-deal-Avengers-2.html)
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Staying with a winner (http://www.deadline.com/2012/08/joss-whedon-to-direct-avengers-2/)
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Staying with a winner (http://www.deadline.com/2012/08/joss-whedon-to-direct-avengers-2/)
No brainer. Great decision. Hadn't heard about the live TV show though - that's interesting!
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Definitely good news. Whedon definitely had a strong grasp on how to make these characters work together on-screen.
Obviously there are lots of questions. Will the ranks of the Avengers grow? Will other Avengers leave the team? And then there were the rumblings about bringing Galactus & the Silver Surfer into the Marvel Studios fold. The possibilities are almost endless.
As for Avengers related projects? There seem to be so many that it'll make your head spin!
Iron Man 3 (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1300854/) (2013)
Thor - The Dark World (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1981115/) (2013)
Captain America: Winter Soldier (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1843866/) (2014)
Ant-Man (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0478970/) (No release date)
Nick Fury (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0482631/) (No release date)
...And Mark Ruffalo has been signed to a multi-film deal as well. Whoa!
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It just unbelievable how well they're pulling this whole thing off. If this next run lives up to its predecessors, it'll be up there with the Harry Potter series in terms of cinematic accomplishments.
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...And Mark Ruffalo has been signed to a multi-film deal as well. Whoa!
Ed Norton seriously ****** the pony on this.
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Ed Norton seriously ****** the pony on this.
Somehow, I doubt he cares...dude dumped Salma Hayek. He clearly does not think like the rest of us. LOL.
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It just unbelievable how well they're pulling this whole thing off. If this next run lives up to its predecessors, it'll be up there with the Harry Potter series in terms of cinematic accomplishments.
Man, that may even be an understatement. Harry Potter was ambitious, but it's essentially just a long series. Marvel's been able to do multiple stand alone movies that perform well, and then dovetail into the team-up event movie...I can't think of anything like that other than comic-book cross overs. But certainly, nothing like it has been done in TV or cinema.
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Avengers is set to come out on DVD & BluRay next month. So why not check out the gag reel in the mean time? (http://io9.com/5936468/the-avengers-gag-reel-assembles-a-lot-of-laughs?utm_campaign=socialflow_io9_twitter&utm_source=io9_twitter&utm_medium=socialflow)
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Looks like some deleted and alternate scenes are starting to show up as well:
Avengers Deleted/Alternate Scenes (http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/MarvelFreshman/news/?a=66066)
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SHIELD pilot by Whedon greenlit by ABC?!?!
Someone get a call in to Summer Glau's agent!
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A SHIELD pilot? Definitely interesting. Although I am a little bummed that it (probably) wouldn't include Agent Coulson. By the time Thor rolled around he became a pretty cool character.
And does Cobie Smulders wind up starring this?
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SHIELD pilot by Whedon greenlit by ABC?!?!
Someone get a call in to Summer Glau's agent!
;D
WASP!!
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A little bit about the Avengers sequel from director Joss Whedon (http://blog.zap2it.com/pop2it/2012/09/joss-whedon-reveals-plans-for-avengers-sequel.html):
September 11, 2012 4:59 PM ET
Still riding high on the success of "The Avengers" (currently the third highest grossing movie of all time worldwide), writer-director Joss Whedon is opening up (just a little) about his plans for the sequel.
In the midst of charming the Toronto Film Festival with the premiere of his new low budget Shakespeare adaptation "Much Ado About Nothing" -- starring frequent collaborators Alexis Denisof, Amy Acker, Nathan Fillion and Sean Maher -- Whedon spoke with Vancouver's 24 Hours about returning to the Marvel universe.
"The creation of the [Avengers] team is not the happy ending," Whedon says in the interview. "It is the beginning of something that is complex and difficult, and now I get to dig a little deeper. And maybe, while I'm digging, just twist that knife. And that's exciting for me."
Twisting that knife will have to wait a little while. "The Avengers 2" isn't due until 2015, after we've seen more solo Avenger pics including "Iron Man 3" (due May 3, 2013), "Thor: The Dark World" (Nov. 8, 2013) and "Captain America: The Winter Soldier" (April 4, 2014). Marvel also has another superhero team project in the works with "Guardians of the Galaxy" due out Aug. 1, 2014.
As to how involved he'll be in his role as a consultant to the many projects in the Avengers' universe, Whedon said he expects his contributions to be minimal: "Very talented people are writing and directing these movies and what I don't want to be is the guy they dread, who's going to come in and say [in a pompous British accent] 'Oh, well I have the power to say change this.' I'm not that."
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Got Avengers at Target today... got the super duper 3D/BR/DVD set because there was some sort of ad error so Target marked it down to $20, same price as the regular set, so why not.
Exclusive wise: Target has a 90 minute bonus disc with every set, Best Buy has a $70 set that includes a $30 Sideshow gift card and a poster and Wal-Mart has a free comic book (my store did not have this version ::))
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Just posted this in the BD/DVD thread as well. Yeah, I noticed that Target's online weekly ad listed it at $19.99, while the paper ad (and shelf tags) had $24.99. Mine rang up at $19.99 as well, so I was happy to see that. Good price for the movie alone, let alone all the extra discs that version comes with.
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It looks like Joss Whedon is letting some info slip about Avengers 2 (http://bit.ly/11EXyPW), and that a brother & sister from the storied past of the Avengers may be coming to the next installment with Earth's mightiest heroes.
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It looks like Joss Whedon is letting some info slip about Avengers 2 (http://bit.ly/11EXyPW), and that a brother & sister from the storied past of the Avengers may be coming to the next installment with Earth's mightiest heroes.
Northstar and Aurora? Awesome.
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(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/0f/Wonder_Twins.jpg)
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It looks like Joss Whedon is letting some info slip about Avengers 2 (http://bit.ly/11EXyPW), and that a brother & sister from the storied past of the Avengers may be coming to the next installment with Earth's mightiest heroes.
Northstar and Aurora? Awesome.
I'm going to guess Scarlett Witch and Quicksilver.
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Colossus and Magik!
Yeah but no it's probably Wanda and Pietro.
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It looks like Joss Whedon is letting some info slip about Avengers 2 (http://bit.ly/11EXyPW), and that a brother & sister from the storied past of the Avengers may be coming to the next installment with Earth's mightiest heroes.
Northstar and Aurora? Awesome.
I'm going to guess Scarlett Witch and Quicksilver.
Methinks you would be correct. Both the Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver have been on the team over the history of the comics, and they are siblings.
The interesting note from Marvel Studios' Kevin Feige is that given the backstory of the characters, both Marvel Studios AND Fox would have rights to use the characters in certain contexts. Marvel Studios can use them in an Avengers project as members of the team. But Fox also retains rights to the mutant siblings in a possible X-Men project given the characters' relation to their father, Magneto. Case in point: they're not terribly visible, but both the Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver are shown on the Wanted poster that's prominently featured in the cover art for Uncanny X-Men #141, the classic "Days of Future Past" storyline that's supposed to be the basis for the next X-Men film project.
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This will be interesting to see. Both of their power sets are pretty tricky to show live. Quicksilver's superspeed has been done before, but not very well IMO. Making him race while everyone else is moving at normal speed could look silly. And Wanda's hex powers of probability are hard enough to explain to people, let alone show on the big screen. I'd be concerned that the average Joe who doesnt know her wont really get her powers.
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This will be interesting to see. Both of their power sets are pretty tricky to show live. Quicksilver's superspeed has been done before, but not very well IMO. Making him race while everyone else is moving at normal speed could look silly. And Wanda's hex powers of probability are hard enough to explain to people, let alone show on the big screen. I'd be concerned that the average Joe who doesnt know her wont really get her powers.
She'll also offer fanboy eye candy.
Got preview tix to IM3 for Wed evening. My son is more excited than I.
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Huzzah!
RDJ returning as IM in Avengers 2 & 3 (http://marvel.com/news/story/20786/robert_downey_jr_to_return_as_marvels_iron_man)
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Just saw that. Excellent news indeed!
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Huzzah!
RDJ returning as IM in Avengers 2 & 3 (http://marvel.com/news/story/20786/robert_downey_jr_to_return_as_marvels_iron_man)
Thank the Maker!
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So, in that article it says the new Avengers movie is slated for first week of May, 2015. Isn't that when Star Wars VII is slated to come out? I can't imagine Disney splitting audiences like that...
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Make the thanker!
Now if they could get RDA on board as MacGyver. And RZA as Black Panther. And references to RFK. :P
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I really can't see Ep VII coming out in May 2015 based on where they are now but stranger things have happened I guess. All other SW movies were released Memorial Day weekend
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Rumors starting to kick around today have Star Wars VII coming May 29, 2015. I'll believe it when we hear there's actually a script.
E...
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Lucas isn't directing and digital effects have come a long way since Episode 3. There's no reason if SW7 is filmed in 2014 that it couldn't be in theaters in May 2015.
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They announced the filming location months ago and didn't they already have work done on the script/story back in October? I'd be willing to bet they're a lot further along than we think they are
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Vin Diesel's name is being thrown around for Avengers 2
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Vin Diesel's name is being thrown around for Avengers 2
I know they aren't going that direction, but he would make an awesome Crusher Creel.
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Thanos maybe? No voice grittier. He just needs to drop the Jersey accent.
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Thanos maybe? No voice grittier. He just needs to drop the Jersey accent.
Why you gotta mess with my accent, I think a Jersey Thanos is the situation. :P
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That photo of Vin Diesel made the rounds today. Just him standing in front of that issue of Avengers with Giant Man on the cover got me thinking "Hmmm, Vin Diesel as Giant Man"? But then that might fly in the face of the 2015 Ant-Man project.
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Vision
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Vision
Again - Jersey accent.
An android with a Jersey accent? That was the original idea for C-3PO...
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They'll cast against type and he'll be Egghead. Movie critics will say he lacks Vincent Price's charm, not realizing that the difference between DC and Marvel.
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I didn't hear a Jersey accent when he did the voice of the Iron Giant. If there's a big concern with Vin saying 'wooder' (water), then hire a dialect coach. I actually think his deep voice would work well with Vision. Did Christian Bale sound Welsh when he was Bruce Wayne?
Others are basing their opinions for Giantman because of him standing in front the comic with GM being so prominent, but I was drawn to his comment about 'tunnel vision'.
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I'm mostly familiar with Diesel from the Fast/Furious franchise. I haven't seen him in a role where he attempted to lose the accent. Some people can. Others can't. There are countless movies where an American actor has tried to sound British and failed miserably. So I'll be skeptical until I hear him do it.
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There's too many British accents, makes it easy to fail. In the US, if a foreign (or domestic) actor can master the midwestern "no accent", they'll be okay.
Most people not from the American South suck at southern accents, sounding like parodies.
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I had always heard it called the Middle Atlantic "no accent". The midwestern accent is something that's very discernible. Especially with the whole "Pop" thing.
Either way, the British accent has been a big go-to for lots of movies and television shows for plenty of period pieces. How many WWII movies have the Germans speaking English with a British accent after all?
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Mid-Atlantic? Wikipedia says that applies to upper class types, film actors from decades ago and theater actors. It's very noticable to Americans when someone talks like, say Cary Grant.
Actual US middle atlantic region includes places like Baltimore, which has it's own accents.
Wikipedia calls the "no accent" I was referring to as "General American". It's commonly used by U.S. newscasters, and not as posh-sounding as Mid-Atlantic.
Enemy at the Gates had the Soviets with British accents, even Ron Perlman's character. It was strange, certain didn't help the movie.
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Mid-Atlantic? Wikipedia says that applies to upper class types, film actors from decades ago and theater actors. It's very noticable to Americans when someone talks like, say Cary Grant.
Uh...
You do know that Cary Grant was English, right?
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Mid-Atlantic? Wikipedia says that applies to upper class types, film actors from decades ago and theater actors. It's very noticable to Americans when someone talks like, say Cary Grant.
Uh...
You do know that Cary Grant was English, right?
One of Wikipedia's examples. George Plimpton would be an American born one.
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It doesn't get much more clear about the plot direction of the Avengers sequel when they reveal a title like Avengers - The Age of Ultron.
That title, plus the rumored inclusion of the Scarlet Witch, makes me think that the Vision might potentially be in the mix, too.
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That sounds too complicated for a mass appeal comic book film. Avengers had the benefit of established characters, lead villain and the McGuffin cube. How do you intro Scarlett Witch, Vision and Ultron in 2 and 1/2 hours and have room for the main cast as well?
I guess they might make it work.
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Joss Whedon is doing a live webcast from SDCC right now (http://marvel.com/sdcc2013), and of course he's talking Avengers - The Age of Ultron.
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That sounds too complicated for a mass appeal comic book film. Avengers had the benefit of established characters, lead villain and the McGuffin cube. How do you intro Scarlett Witch, Vision and Ultron in 2 and 1/2 hours and have room for the main cast as well?
I guess they might make it work.
They will introduce these characters and concepts over the films leading to Avengers: TAoU. They didn't introduce any character, or even the MacGuffin aside from Maria Hill in The Avengers; that work was done in IM, IM2, TIH, Thor, and CA:TFA.
I thought the first film was the ultimate love song to the 12YO me. This has the potential to top it, as Ultron was my favorite Marvel villain.
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I've also read in the news the past couple days that Elizabeth Olson is close to being signed on to play Wanda/Scarlet Witch for Avengers: Age of Ultron.
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James Spader cast as Ultron in Avengers: Age of Ultron
http://marvel.com/news/story/21099/exclusive_avengers_age_of_ultron_casts_james_spader_as_the_films_legendary_villain (http://marvel.com/news/story/21099/exclusive_avengers_age_of_ultron_casts_james_spader_as_the_films_legendary_villain)
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The Spectacular Spader-Man
Watch as he gives Hawkeye hell for dating that lower class red-head Black Widow.
Thrill as makes his secretary do kinky stuff.
See the awesome android blackmail the Avengers using sex, lies and video streaming...
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I can see the voice working. Creepy without being shrill.
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Witty remark off with RDJ?
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Spader has arrogance for days, and that sums up Ultron's character in a big way.
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The Avengers: Age of Ultron teaser that was shown at SDCC has shown up online. Not a whole lot, but kind of neat:
http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/MarvelFreshman/news/?a=87595 (http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/MarvelFreshman/news/?a=87595)
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Looks like they took it down already. :'(
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It was nothing. Audio clips from The Avengers and an Ultron mask. Poor quality.
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It was nothing. Audio clips from The Avengers and an Ultron mask. Poor quality.
Yeah, I watched it last night before it got taken down. It was pure teaser fare, and nothing else. The Ultron face was really the only new element.
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Official teaser: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jr5rzSMNmRM
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Thanks Bill. Pretty interesting despite being just a teaser. Does anyone know if Hank Pym is cast for this movie? It almost sounds to me like Ultron might come from Stark's development work. He already has a series of AI machines that help out in his lab, so I wonder if one goes rouge somehow? I hope they find a way to mirror the comics storyline for Ultron and bring Pym into the fold, but that's going to be hard unless they focus the whole story on it.
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I think Whedon said that Pym isn't the creator of Ultron in his version.
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I think Whedon said that Pym isn't the creator of Ultron in his version.
There you go then. I guess Stark can now be blamed for all the worlds munitions as well as the Ultron problem. Too bad they're going that route - the Hank and Janet storylines are pretty rich throughout the Avengers lore.
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I don't know how well that story fits into a Disney Avengers franchise.
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I agree, Bill. They also run the risk of overly bloating the plot with too many characters/details. We nerds LOVE stuff like that but the average movie-goer gets annoyed and gives up (see The Hobbit). Sooner or later the whole thing will collapse on the weight of its own complexity.
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I don't know how well that story fits into a Disney Avengers franchise.
Are you referring to the Hank & Pym storyline from the comics? I think they could cover that without the wife abuse much like they covered Stark without the alcoholism. Pym as a B-character scientist who wants to impress his friends by building (and defeating) a sentient robot makes a great storyline IMO.
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Ant Man was beating his wife?!?! WTF?
When did all this go down in the actual comics? Must have been 80's or 90's right?
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Yeah he sort of went off the deep end in the early 80's when he was Yellowjacket
(http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/pymgreatest8.jpg)
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In the Ultimates books (on which much of the Marvel movie universe is based) his abuse was a lot worse.
But then the Hulk was running around screaming he was going to rape and eat people, so they can probably tone it down a bit.
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Hank cracked under the stress of being a super hero/husband/scientist and turned into a royal jerk. He takes on multiple identities as he tries to resolve his feelings of inferiority, turning from Ant-Man to Giant Man to Goliath to Yellow Jacket. YJ is his most confident persona, but also his most cocky and arrogant. He abused Janet and was ineffective on the team. To prove himself, he created an AI Robot called Ultron, making it strong enough to best the rest of the Avengers. His plan was to swoop in and defeat it using a kill switch, regaining the trust of his wife and friends. Of course, it goes horribly wrong with Ultron disarming his own kill switch and escaping with the knowledge that his "dad" tried to kill him. Hank eventually loses his wife and retires for several years.
Ultron remakes himself over the years, first vowing to kill the Avengers, then all of humanity. It's a pretty cool story of a fallen hero that leads to some great down stream consequences. Ultron eventually repeats his father's mistake, creating a synthetic being called the Vision to attack the Avengers, and the Vision turns on him to join the heroes. The Vision was made using Wonder Man's brain patterns, which eventually creates a love triangle between the Vision, resurrected Wonder Man, and the Scarlet Witch. Vision marries the Scarlet Witch, and on and on. Ultron ultimately becomes one of the Avengers greatest heroes and a never-ending source of guilt for Hank. Who knows how they will approach it in the movie, but I just love that original story. Flawed heroes seem so much more believable to me.
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Ultron ultimately becomes one of the Avengers greatest heroes and a never-ending source of guilt for Hank.
He's like Bender, he says he wants to kill all humans, but is really good at heart.
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Surprised this wasn't posted earlier:
(the voice of) Jarvis is The Vision. (http://www.thewrap.com/behold-vision-paul-bettany-cast-colorful-android-avengers-age-ultron/)
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Interesting choice. So, are they just giving him a bigger part is there some storyline connection between Jarvis and Vision via Ultron? Maybe Ultron is working to bring other AI's to independence and helps create a body for Jarvis, who redubs himself the Vision? Anyone know Vision's backstory from the Ultimates? I'm only familiar with the traditional Marvel U storylines, which they are obviously not following.
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I'm thinking instead of Pym creating Ultron who creates Vision, we'll see Stark creating Ultron who then hacks Jarvis to create Vision.
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It's an interesting development. J.A.R.V.I.S as an AI has been characterized as fairly powerful. Paul Bettany seems like he could step into the role of the Vision pretty well.
As for who actually develops Ultron? I think there are plenty of possibilities out there for how that might develop. Stark's tech hasn't been completely secure over the history of the Iron Man movies, or the Avengers. Stane got a hold of Stark's Mk 1 plans in the first Iron Man. Justin Hammer weaponized the Mk 2 armor, turning it into War Machine. Also, Vanko managed to hack that armor in addition to the creation of the Hammer Drones and his own Whiplash armor. Stark hacked SHIELDs computers in AVENGERS. One would think that it might also be possible for SHIELD to hack the Mk 6 armor when it was on the helicarrier. And in Iron Man 3 AIM managed to hack the Iron Patriot armor. Add all that up and Tony's armor has been somewhat less than secure.
But I think that some of what we saw in Iron Man 3 may be at the root of the Ultron creation story. After Tony works on the implants that allow him to summon the Mk 42 armor remotely, we see a scene where Mk 42 is assembled and has independently made it's way to Tony as he's sleeping. Perhaps what's next is that a new suit beyond Mk 42 becomes self aware, leading to Ultron.
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Good casting no matter which way they go, I liked him in Priest.
This thing is going to be the complete opposite of that JLA train wreck in every way.
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As for who actually develops Ultron? I think there are plenty of possibilities out there for how that might develop.
I'm thinking Stark, but not for the reasons that Pym created Ultron. He's not going to do it with the intent of defeating Ultron to redeem himself with the team, he's going to do it to defend against another alien attack. And then AI go bad.
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My theory is that Ultron will be built by that shady government agency from the first Avengers in response to the supers being too unwilling to follow orders and think for themselves. Based on what I've seen in the Cap trailer, it looks like Cap might be making a stand and doing what he thinks is right rather than following orders. I think Ultron will be built in response to that, in fear of the avengers turning rogue.
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this is starting to sound an awful lot like that SW short story where an IG-88 incarnation plugged into DS 2 and 'became' the DS. ::)
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Photos have been sneaking out from the set. In the images that turned up on Facebook are Jeremy Renner in costume as Hawkeye, Elizabeth Olsen as the Scarlet Witch and an actor in an Ultron motion capture suit. Hoping that it was actually Spader doing that, because it would be very cool!
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I already don't like how Quicksilver looks.
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I already don't like how Quicksilver looks.
+1. It would help if he shaved. I was never much a fan of QS anyway, so wasn't expecting much.
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Hoping that it was actually Spader doing that, because it would be very cool!
Zero chance of that, honestly. I saw some "making of" video a while back that explained that if you don't see the actor's face, it's almost certainly not the actor on screen. When somebody is being driven around with a hood over his head, that's a body double. Even stuff like when you see hands shifting the gears or steering in Fast & Furious, those aren't Vin Diesel's hands. The main actors get paid too much to be spending time on those kinds of shots.
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RDJ did some of the motion capture in the mocked up Iron Man suits for those films. And I was very surprised that Mark Ruffalo did a lot of the motion capture work for the Hulk in Avengers. There's probably no guarantee that Spader is doing motion capture for Ultron. But I have been surprised to see just how many actors who are cast in voice roles will spend time on set to work on dialogue with the other actors. Benedict Cumberbatch did that for The Hobbit - The Desolation of Smaug.
I think directors are pushing more for their actors to do this. Even though we're in an age of cinema where CGI characters are fully accepted, having an actor who is playing that CGI character part to play off does make the process much more organic for the other actors. Ewan McGregor was quoted as saying that the stark blue and green screen environments of the PT made it difficult for him to immerse himself in the world of those films.
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Mo-cap is a different thing, though. After Gollum, I see a lot of actors wanting to do mo-cap to fully own a role.
That on-set Ultron wasn't a mo-cap rig. I figure it was there so the CG guys can get the reflections perfect. And they wouldn't bring in Spader to do that.
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Ultron revealed!
(https://scontent-a-atl.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/t1.0-9/10001492_10152391571849715_213665081_n.jpg)
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That helmet looks great, but I am a little disappointed in Ultrons puffy black winter coat. He could at least wear an admantium scarf or something.
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Little disappointing initially but need to see all angles. The ear thingies need to be angled back more it seems like. He also seems to lack that maniacal sort of grin with the slanty eyes and gaping jaws.
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It's probably not the final mask design. This is a tool the CG guys use to get lighting/reflections correct.
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The teaser that was shown at SDCC showed Ultron's head, and it looked very much like Ultron appears in the comics. I've got to think that this mask is probably just a mockup for the purposes of lighting reference for principle photography. Remember all of those behind the scenes videos for the making of the Star Wars prequels? You may recall seeing someone walking around the set with this globe on a stick. It was used for very much the same purposes.
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In advance of SDCC, Entertainment Weekly has released the first official pics from Avengers: Age of Ultron:
http://www.ew.com/ew/gallery/0,,20399642_20834753,00.html (http://www.ew.com/ew/gallery/0,,20399642_20834753,00.html)
(http://img2.timeinc.net/ew/i/2014/07/14/EW1321-1322-Ultron.jpg)
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Love that new Cap costume. Very cool.
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Love that new Cap costume. Very cool.
I liked the last one better - seems a little noisy for Cap.
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I like that it is closer to the costume from the first Cap film.
Also, the army of Ultron's behind them.
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Promo art featuring Vision:
(http://media.aintitcool.com/media/uploads/2014/nordling/avenbanner.jpg)
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That's pretty awesome. I'm still wondering when we might see some sort of a trailer. Especially after the buzz following the SDCC panel. Are we really going to have to wait until Christmas time?
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Sideshow concept art:
(http://bigfanboy.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/vision-sideshow.jpg)
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I guess thanks to GOTG we are all use to red skinned aliens now.
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Vision is a synthetic being like an android, not an alien you racist.
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Age of Ultron official trailer (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tmeOjFno6Do) - holy balls.
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Holy ****balls Batman! :o 8)
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Way to go Marvel. So someone leaks the trailer? Marvel says screw them and they release the trailer for real! Smart move on their part. And the leakers are left hanging while Marvel gets a lot of attention for a huge project.
Oh, and the trailer looks awesome! The stakes clearly appear to have been raised.
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May cannot come soon enough. Holy crap that was awesome!
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Wow. Just wow.
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Man, that was ESB level dark. Spader sounded great!
Marvel's reaction to the leak (https://twitter.com/Marvel/status/525071656306626560) was awesome too.
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That was amazing...blown away!!!
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This looks great! I loved the new Iron Man suit!
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It's a good thing Star Wars is released at the end of the year. It would get overshadowed by that!! 2015 is definitely Disney's year.
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Looks good, hope we get some Thanos though.
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Looks good, hope we get some Thanos though.
I bet we get some, just not much. I thought I heard that he was lined up to be the main baddie for #3, so we should have another wave of Marvel flicks building up to it in 2018. I hope Downey changes his mind about playing Iron Man for more flicks...
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Special footage with trailer below...
Get a Special Look at Marvel's "Avengers: Age of Ultron" (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGwuoYKhqx8&feature=youtu.be)
'Age of Ultron' Mystery Woman: ID'ing the Avengers New Lady Friend (https://www.yahoo.com/movies/age-of-ultron-mystery-woman-iding-the-avengers-new-101287980162.html)
Nuff said! ;D
(https://acreativeact.files.wordpress.com/2014/07/05975fb4_aqgmxsm.gif)
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That video is hilarious. Thank you! ;D
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Did anyone also see the leaked footage of marvel infinity wars?
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New Avengers Trailer Arrives - Marvel's Avengers: Age of Ultron Trailer 2 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZoO8QVMxkk)
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New Avengers Trailer Arrives - Marvel's Avengers: Age of Ultron Trailer 2 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZoO8QVMxkk)
Oh boy!
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I feel like Avengers 2 is going to be pretty good.
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Looks like things are going to get pretty dark.
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Is it me or does the Hulk look kind of grey in this shot (http://youtu.be/MZoO8QVMxkk?t=50s) of the trailer? It could be an interesting development for the Hulk's character. Or it could just be that the Hulk is just a little dirty or dusty in that particular scene. But if Joss Whedon DOES want to explore the grey Hulk? I think that could be fantastic!
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He's still green. All of the colors look a little washed out. Take a look at Iron Man's typically bright red for example.
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Sideshow (http://www.sideshowtoy.com/collectibles/marvel-ultron-prime-hot-toys-902343/?utm_source=bronto&utm_medium=email&utm_term=Image+-+New+Release%3A+Hot+Toys+Ultron+Prime+Sixth+Scale+Figure&utm_content=Image+-+New+Release%3A+Hot+Toys+Ultron+Prime+Sixth+Scale+Figure&utm_campaign=TM_HTUltron_902343) has a pretty good look at the new Ultron...
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Just ******* bring it on! ;D 8)
Marvel's Avengers: Age of Ultron - Trailer 3 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAUoeqvedMo)
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Uh, wow. 58 days and counting...
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So cool, can't wait. Nice little tease there at the end as well. Plus, rumors of a new Force Awakens trailer attached to this movie, so the countdown truly begins :).
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Who's in for a 29 hour Movie Marathon? http://www.theverge.com/2015/3/5/8160031/avengers-age-of-ultron-marvel-movie-marathons (http://www.theverge.com/2015/3/5/8160031/avengers-age-of-ultron-marvel-movie-marathons)
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They must have included Hulk so people can take a nap or go get something to eat.
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Thankfully, Ang Lee's Hulk isn't considered a part of the Marvel Cinematic Universe. I get what he tried to do with that film. And it was an artistic take on the Hulk's story. But I don't think it was something that comic fans were prepared to embrace.
I just don't know how anyone could manage to sit through all of that. And I think that if anyone is going to nap through any of the films in the marathon, it would probably be during Iron Man 3.
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Russo Brothers set to direct Infinity War (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/film/film-news/11491390/Russo-Brothers-set-to-direct-Avengers-Infinity-War.html)
Can't argue with the quality of Winter Soldier, so I think the franchise is in good hands.
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Headed to the local cinema now for an Avengers Double Feature. The wait is finally (almost) over.
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Good, certainly not great. Far behind some of the other Marvel movies but I still enjoyed it.
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Just got back from seeing it. I thoroughly enjoyed it. :)
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Saw it last night as well, thought is was really well done. A bit plodding at times, but needed to break up the virtually non-stop action. Vision and Wanda/SW were the stand outs here. Surprised by the storyline focus that Hawkeye got.
Highlights:
"Veronica" - love how that was handled and how it worked as a containment system/parts store
Ultron - Spader seemed to have a great time with that role.
Humor overall was good, and the opening word in the film was "****".
Loved seeing the return of War Machine and Falcon - especially at the end at the headquarters/
Vision was very well done. I'm not sure how much of a departure from the comics they took with his origins but it seems to work here.
The twins were great with Scarlett Witch being my fav and I like this version of Quicksilver more that the DOFP version.
Effects overall were amazing
Lowlights:
Baron Von Strucker seemed to just be thrown in there
I could have done without the TWO sappy love subplots but I gave decent character dev. so I guess it's okay.
Two thumbs up, I need to see this in IMAX 3D yet as i've heard a lot of great things and you get to see The Force Awakens trailer with that presentation too. :)
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Loved it.
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Saw it last night as well, thought is was really well done. A bit plodding at times, but needed to break up the virtually non-stop action.
I guess I sort felt like the story was disjointed from the beginning to the end. Parts felt super-rushed and parts felt like they were dragged out way to much.
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Thoughts from those that have seen it - OK for my two 8 (almost 9) year olds?
I've seen mixed reviews on language/violence levels... especially since it starts out with a "bang".
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Thoughts from those that have seen it - OK for my two 8 (almost 9) year olds?
I've seen mixed reviews on language/violence levels... especially since it starts out with a "bang".
Should be okay. There are a few swears in there; "****", "son of a bitch" and some innuendo ex: Tony teasing BW and Hulk about "hiding the zucchini". Nothing too traumatic I guess. A few nice cleavage shots of Black Widow and Scarlett Witch, too. ;)
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Thanks Jayson.
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I'd hate to be you explaining why you didn't take them Jeff! :D
Like Jayson said, it's not too over the top with language.
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Just got back. It was alright... nothing special though, which keeps it consistent with the rest of the Phase 2 films IMO. It almost felt like there were too many characters, and unlike the first, they couldn't find enough screen time for them all.
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Are you saying CA:TWS and GotG were just "alright"?!?
This movie isnt threatening for any Oscars, but it was ton of fun, the plot was not insulting, there was plenty of character development, and the action was amazing.
Has Marvel finally turned the magic corner where the fans root for them to fail?
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Thoughts from those that have seen it - OK for my two 8 (almost 9) year olds?
I've seen mixed reviews on language/violence levels... especially since it starts out with a "bang".
Sam and I caught up on Cap2, Thor2, and IronMan3 this week, so we're heading out to see Avengers Sunday morning @ Southdale. If your boys were fine with the other Marvel adventures, I think they'll be fine with this too. I'll let you know if I feel differently afterwards though.
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Are you saying CA:TWS and GotG were just "alright"?!?
Winter Soldier and Guardians were really good, but Iron Man 2 and Thor 2 left a lot to be desired, IMO. I felt AoU fell below the first two but above those last two. Maybe I was too hyped up for it, or maybe I was expecting someone to be offed. I dunno.
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Saw it in today, liked it didn't love it. The slow parts were what did it for me I think...I loved the party scene but the second interlude with Hawkeyes house was a drag...I also felt the Klaw inclusion was a bit much as well but there was some cool fights. I could quite possibly be reaching Super Hero overload...could be the sameness of a lot of these Marvel plots (hey let's try and recover this stolen gem)
Liked the humor, effects were great, liked the end bit how they ended the Hulk plot and how the new team echoes the changing lineups of the comics. I also didn't like how they couldn't figure out the stone was doing the same don thing it was doing to them in the first movie (infighting)
I'll give it a 7/10...worth seeing in a theater
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Jeff - my 8 year old loved it and there was nothing beyond the little bit of language that was previously mentioned. They actually turned the "bad language" into a bit of a joke in the movie.
*WARNING - SPOILERS GALORE*
I saw it yesterday and thought it was even better than the first. The story was solid from front to back, visuals were amazing, they managed to keep the fun/joking despite a darker story, and I thought they had a great balance across all the characters despite how easy it would be to push a few of these guys to the background. Spader's Ultron was entertaining and came across perfectly from the comics as a creature who outwardly despises humanity, but can't help taking on human forms. Vision, Scarlet Witch, and Quicksilver were all done really well - maybe even better than their comic counterparts. I thought it would be tough to explain her power in so little time, and they changed the nature of it to a great extent, but her "weirdness" was really well done. I thought the Quicksilver speed would be tough to portray as well, but he had a ton of really well filmed scenes. Bringing in Falcon and War Machine for small roles was great to see as well and really helps tie these movies together. I got chills watching Iron Man and War Machine pair up again towards the end and seeing the new cast take shape. While the stories may differ, this is such a great nod to what the Avengers mean to me in the comics.
Has Marvel finally turned the magic corner where the fans root for them to fail?
Apparently so. I'm really surprised at the reactions from some of the critics' reviews and comments here. I heard complaints on the radio this morning about how Ultron didn't seem robotic enough, RDJ seems too old to be Stark, there were too many jokes given the gravity of what was happening, that Avengers was trying to capitalize on the WTC attack by demolishing a building, etc. Seriously? I totally understand that people are going to have their own opinions and we all like different things. And as an Avengers fan since 2nd grade, I'm equally aware that I might have a greater appreciation for the characters and stories verus genpop. But I would love to better understand some of the feedback. Maybe people are just burnt out or looking for something not to like? This film was near perfect for me and easily cracks my top 10 of all time.
Good, certainly not great. Far behind some of the other Marvel movies but I still enjoyed it.
Far behind which other Marvel movies? GOTG, IM, and Winter Soldier are probably my top 3, but this and the first Avengers round out my top 5. Curious to know which ones you'd put so far ahead of this one?
Just got back. It was alright... nothing special though, which keeps it consistent with the rest of the Phase 2 films IMO. It almost felt like there were too many characters, and unlike the first, they couldn't find enough screen time for them all.
I thought they did an amazing job finding relevant storylines for everyone in the cast AND was delighted to see supporting characters show up from the other films, like Heimdall, Erik Selvig, Falcon, War Machine, etc. Likewise, I was happy that we didn't get Coulson, Potts, Jane Foster, or more Loki as I think having everyone show would be over the top. I was a little disappointed that Widow's primary role was a love interest for Banner - that felt forced - but it didn't really detract from the movie for me and made Hulk's disappearing act at the end a little more meaningful.
Maybe I was too hyped up for it, or maybe I was expecting someone to be offed. I dunno.
You mean someone like Quicksilver? ??? Were you hoping for multiple deaths? All signs were pointing to Hawkeye (who's one of my favorite characters), so I thought they did a great job switching that up, while still taking someone out. I was never a fan of Pietro in the comics, but thought he was great here. I kept hoping he'd pull a Coulson or the witch would resurrect him.
Hawkeyes house was a drag...I also felt the Klaw inclusion was a bit much as well but there was some cool fights. I could quite possibly be reaching Super Hero overload...
I think you may be reaching Super Hero overload. They needed to slow things up and get the Avengers off the grid for a while, so while Hawkeye's hideout slowed down the story, I felt like they needed that break. This is a team that always wins, so to get so decimated they really needed a break. Clint having a family was the only part of the movie I really didn't care for - not because it was slow, but because that's not who he is in the comics. I thought he seemed to have something going with the Widow in the first film (and dated her in the comics) and they introduced his comic wife, Bobbi Morse, in AOS, so to make him the family man felt weird to me.
As for cameos like Klaw, I love those little nods to the fanbase. Out of curiosity, would you have liked the movie more if it was "Random Arms Dealer" guy instead of Klaw? Its not a deal breaker for me either way. The vast majority of people don't know anything about Klaw, so at worst these character additions are just nice Easter Eggs showing comic characters we'll never see elsewhere. At best, they have the opportunity to go back to that character later on to tell more story. I love it when comics set up seemingly small subplots that have the potential to grow into something big later down the road.
I also didn't like how they couldn't figure out the stone was doing the same don thing it was doing to them in the first movie (infighting)...could be the sameness of a lot of these Marvel plots (hey let's try and recover this stolen gem)
I'm confused...the mind gem in the Chitauri Scepter is what Loki was using to manipulate people in the first film. In this movie, the Witch was using her own power to prey on the fears of various team members. Was there something more to the mind gem in Avengers 2 that I missed? When the team is in-fighting over Vision, I think that was more about standing up for their beliefs versus any kind of mind control. As for the gems, Guardians, Cap 1, Thor 2, and Avengers were the only ones really focused on recovering them. Iron Man 1-3, Thor 1, & Cap 2 don't touch on them and I thought the mind gem in Avengers 2 was a really small part. They have to touch on them to some extent to build the larger Thanos storyline.
Anyway, sorry for the long rant. My son loved it, I loved it, I'll definitely see it over and over again. God Bless America.
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Yeah there was mind control from the the Witch but also during the scene where they start fighting in the tower when they have the Vision coffin...it was the same thing that happened in Avengers 1.
I still have it as a 7/10 and did say I liked it, I just didn't love it as much as the first. Part of that was length and the Hawkeye hometown and the Klaw scene were what could have been left out IMO...I did dig the fact that Ultron ripped off his arm
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Yeah there was mind control from the the Witch but also during the scene where they start fighting in the tower when they have the Vision coffin...it was the same thing that happened in Avengers 1.
I didn't take that as the gem causing them to fight. That was more Tony Stark going off and attaching an AI to the android, which is basically what started the entire problem to begin with.
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I am also seeing a lot of "I liked it, but certainly not as good as the first one". At this point, I don't know where I put if yet in relation to the first Avengers. I've only seen it once, and I had both my kids with me so I couldn't give the movie 100% of my attention. I certainly enjoyed it. My wife wants to see it, so I may get another chance to see it in the theater. If that is the case, it will be the only MCU movie besides GOTG that I have seen twice in the theater. At this point, I think this movie will definitely be in my top five with Iron Man, Winter Soldier, Avengers 1, and Guardians. Not sure what order I would put them in though. We will have to see how Ant Man does to see if there is any Marvel fatigue. I think it is safe to say they are still miles ahead of DC. While Superman v. Batman will make a ton of cash, it does not look anywhere near as good as Age of Ultron was.
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Good, certainly not great. Far behind some of the other Marvel movies but I still enjoyed it.
Far behind which other Marvel movies? GOTG, IM, and Winter Soldier are probably my top 3, but this and the first Avengers round out my top 5. Curious to know which ones you'd put so far ahead of this one?
You missed the emphasis on "some". I don't think our opinion is much different. I put Avengers, Guardians of the Galaxy and Iron Man 1 in my top 3. After that the list really starts to jumble together. There are parts of each MCU movie that I absolutely loved but collectively they don't stand out. I didn't like the Winter Soldier nearly as much as most (and I can't really put my finger on why) but that's not the same thing as me saying that I didn't like it - because I did and I've watched it at least 3 times already. So when I say far behind, all I'm really saying is that Ultron doesn't crack my top 3.
Sometimes I find that movies grow on me even more after second viewings... one of my favorite parts of all the MCU movies (and agents for Shield for that matter) is the "witty" dialogue and humor. Unfortunately with the exception of two scenes (IM/Hulk and Thor/Vision) I felt like I'd already seen all the "funny" stuff in the trailers. I suspect upon a second viewing, I won't have those same faults and will probably like it more.
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I enjoyed it. I think it was on par with the first Avengers but no where near as good as GotG.
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Yeah there was mind control from the the Witch but also during the scene where they start fighting in the tower when they have the Vision coffin...it was the same thing that happened in Avengers 1.
I didn't take that as the gem causing them to fight. That was more Tony Stark going off and attaching an AI to the android, which is basically what started the entire problem to begin with.
+1
What was cool about the infighting this time is that it feels like a prelude to Civil War. Not sure if they'll follow close to the comic, but the storyline *SPOILER* basically pits Iron Man's ideology against Cap's and everyone else takes sides. In A2, you can see it start to spill over into the other characters as they align behind the team's two leaders. The growing division between Steve & Tony's belief systems and the way they operate feels like added setup for Cap's next movie and I love that they tie the movies together in that way versus just springing some new, out-of-character approach to fit the plot. The dynamic actually feels very similar to Anakin and Obi-Wan for me - practically brothers in a sense, but you can see the eventual rift growing between them. Maybe I'm just adding unintended perspective based on what I think is coming, but its really well thought out if that's the direction they're taking.
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Also there was that slight touch of bitterness when Stark replied, "He's the leader..."
I agree the fight was entirely about "He's going to build another Ultron - we gotta stop this!" It wasn't some fuzzy-brained Mind Gem trick.
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Maybe I'm remembering wrong then but I swore Thor even said that the gem was messing with their heads
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Finally caught it the other night and walked out of the theatre with no complaints whatsoever. That's pretty rare for me. I just thought everything was well done.
I do think they should have had Coulson on board the Helicarrier since he was the one who had it commissioned to be rebuilt in the first place. Dude is pretty much walking around out in the open all over so I don't know how people like Hawkeye and Widow who still have SHIELD connections wouldn't have realized he was still alive by now.
I liked seeing Linda Cardellini again as Mrs Hawkeye. And I guess I am a moron because i had no idea that Scarlet Witch was being played by one of the Olsen twins. Wow. They finally did something to earn some actual acting cred.
Also feel stupid now because I had no clue Klaw was in that movie. Did I blink and miss the guy in red suit with a cone hand? Or did this have something to do with the Wakanda/Vibranium conversation? We're not talking about that Aussie douche with the brand on his neck I hope?
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Elizabeth Olsen is the sister of the Olsen twins.
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She is the more talented of the sisters. You will never hear her say, You got it dude!
The twins are fashion moguls.
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Ok, so they are still irrelevant. Whew! :D
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I do think they should have had Coulson on board the Helicarrier since he was the one who had it commissioned to be rebuilt in the first place. Dude is pretty much walking around out in the open all over so I don't know how people like Hawkeye and Widow who still have SHIELD connections wouldn't have realized he was still alive by now.
Whedon said in an interview that this was done so that people who saw Avengers I but have not watched AoS would not be confused. That said, Coulson could have been there to hand over project Theta, and had a quick moment with the team with some quip about how they revived him.
I am surprised that I haven't heard any Whedon-hater complain that he put a character into the story that essentially looks at the audience and literally says "I bet you didn't see that coming" as he is killed off. LOL.
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Also feel stupid now because I had no clue Klaw was in that movie. Did I blink and miss the guy in red suit with a cone hand? Or did this have something to do with the Wakanda/Vibranium conversation? We're not talking about that Aussie douche with the brand on his neck I hope?
That's exactly who that was. He's going to be in Black Panther, most likely with the sonic hand considering Ultron whacked his arm off.
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Also feel stupid now because I had no clue Klaw was in that movie. Did I blink and miss the guy in red suit with a cone hand? Or did this have something to do with the Wakanda/Vibranium conversation? We're not talking about that Aussie douche with the brand on his neck I hope?
That's exactly who that was. He's going to be in Black Panther, most likely with the sonic hand considering Ultron whacked his arm off.
This is probably his brief backstory.
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Whedon said in an interview that this was done so that people who saw Avengers I but have not watched AoS would not be confused. That said, Coulson could have been there to hand over project Theta, and had a quick moment with the team with some quip about how they revived him.
I also read Whedon thought it'd be cheap for him to pop up again "here I am!" when his sacrifice was the big thing that brought the team together in the first movie. Though I agree it's hard to believe people like Stark, Black Widow and Hawkeye wouldn't have noticed he's still alive. Maybe they were all working for boat SHIELD instead of basement SHIELD.
I am surprised that I haven't heard any Whedon-hater complain that he put a character into the story that essentially looks at the audience and literally says "I bet you didn't see that coming" as he is killed off. LOL.
That was a nice touch.
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I finally got to see the movie yesterday. I thought it was very good, but had a significantly different tone than the first film. The overall sense that got conveyed to me is that this is a far more dangerous world after the events of New York. Collectively, it seems that the Avengers themselves realize their own mortality despite their super-human abilities. And the introduction of the Scarlet Witch has brought their own personal wounds to the surface.
The divisions between Cap and Stark seemed pretty evident from the outset. Rogers seems to have maintained his idealism and has taken on that mantle of leadership in a very natural way. While Tony recognizes that they've been lucky and that a fatality on the team seems more like a matter of "when" than "if". And that did come to pass at the end of the film. And that's why Stark developed the Iron Legion and it led to his plan to build Ultron. As for the conflicting Artificial Intelligences? I think that's an interesting way to introduce both Ultron and the Vision.
The fight between the Hulk and the Hulkbuster armor was AMAZING! Banner and Stark both seem to have planned for the possibility of the Hulk going on a rampage like this in a meticulous way. This is something that seems to have been in the back of Banners mind for some time. He knows just how destructive the Hulk can be, and the fight between Iron Man and the Hulk really served to quantify why he is so fearful of a "Code Green" incident. It also makes it abundantly clear why he chooses to disappear at the end of the film.
I definitely like how this film also managed to get characters like War Machine and Falcon involved. They've been cool supporting characters in the other films, and seeing them come into their own in an Avengers film was pretty cool. As for the new team? It's going to be interesting to see where things go. And based on the cast list for the next Cap movie, I get the feeling that the new team may work their way into that film first.
Also feel stupid now because I had no clue Klaw was in that movie. Did I blink and miss the guy in red suit with a cone hand? Or did this have something to do with the Wakanda/Vibranium conversation? We're not talking about that Aussie douche with the brand on his neck I hope?
That's exactly who that was. He's going to be in Black Panther, most likely with the sonic hand considering Ultron whacked his arm off.
He's South African, but that's besides the point. I thought his scenes were an interesting way to introduce Klaw, especially with him hoarding vibranium.
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Saw it today. It was okay. Entertaining but nowdays everything's so CGI overload, that it becomes a bit numbing after awhile.
I think having the final conflict/crisis around a fictional country didn't give as much stakes, even if the whole world was also at risk.
Baron Strucker becomes another underused bit player...he could've been on Agents of SHIELD, not like Thomas Kretchsmann hasn't done tv before (THE RIVER).
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It was odd how Strucker was killed unceremoniously off-screen. Makes me wonder if that was another of the cut storylines.
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I was finally able to go out and see it last night. Definitely going to need to see it again before I rank it in terms of the other MCU movies. I think my main 'problem' was that I saw it with my wife who is not a big fan of continuous fighting scenes, so she had pretty much checked out by the time they made it to South Africa...
*Spoilers* in my commentary.
I definitely enjoyed it and continue to laugh at the unexpected humor (e.g., Hawkeye talking about Quicksilver). But some of the opening fight scenes were too over the top/CGI for my liking (thinking when Cap throws the motorcycle). I know that we are talking about a Superhero movie though so I take that stuff in stride.
I thought that Spader was the perfect voice for Ultron. But not having been a die-hard Avengers comic book fanboy, the introduction of the Ultron project by Stark/Banner and then the realization of it in the movie was a bit too fast for my understanding/liking. It was as if the entire backstory of it had already been introduced in another movie that I had missed and I wasn't in on the information...
I'm going to miss having J.A.R.V.I.S. as the voice/operating system inside the Iron Man suits. Not sure how I feel about F.R.I.D.A.Y. yet and will have to see how things go in Cap 3 before I finalize that opinion.
So overall, another solid, entertaining and enjoyable Marvel production that I'm sure will rank high on my list once I've had a chance to dissect it over and over again.
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Joss Whedon keeps on talking about Avengers - Age of Ultron (http://www.complex.com/pop-culture/2015/05/avengers-age-of-ultron-alternate-ending), alternate endings, plot points as well as disagreements with the studio.
Personally I'm a little disappointed that Whedon wasn't able to get the grey Hulk into the fight sequence with the Hulkbuster.
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I kind of wish they had brought you-know-who back at the end as filmed. He was shaping up to be cooler than I expected. The extra Hulk scene would have been cool as well.
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so FINALLY went and saw avengers 2.
i don't know why but was very unimpressed.
i've LOVED all the other anvengers related movies so far, but still on the fence bout IM3. and this just did nothing for me. i've tried to stay away from reviews/ forums regarding the movie cuz i didn't want to ruin it so i'm not sure if i'm in minority here. but i feel like i should've just gone and seen jurasic world instead. :'(
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"Creed" director Ryan Coogler Confirmed as Marvel’s Black Panther Director (http://screenrant.com/black-panther-director-ryan-coogler/)
Haven't checked out Creed yet, but the accolades I've read point to this being a solid choice.
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I saw the first one 10 times in the theaters. Really just so awesome and I can't wait for Infinity War parts 1 and 2.
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Marvel Studios' Avengers: Infinity War Official Trailer (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ZfuNTqbHE8)
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I mean, I guess I'll see it. :)
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I'm really looking forward to this. Something they've been building towards for 10 years!
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Sheesh, awesome much? :D
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All that's left now is when someone opens a portal to AGFFA and Luke / Rey join the Avengers to bust some Thanos ass.
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Looks like Justice League with more lighting. :D
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Looks like Justice League with more lighting. :D
Too soon! ;D
I'm intrigued. It looks like there are several factions of Avengers, at the very least. Dr. Strange and Wong both seem to be in the mix, along with Spider-man. Wakanda seems to be a significant setting, so you have to think that the Black Panther movie will have some linkage to this movie. And it's a cool nod to the comics to see a blonde Black Widow, too.
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So much awesome. They must be fighting Thanos on multiple fronts, with Iron Man, Spidey, Strange, (maybe Vision and Scarlet Witch) etc. in New York versus the team they show in the big Wakanda battle. Nice to see Panther apparently has a big role in this.
I'm a little surprised that we're getting War Machine and Winter Soldier, and a little bummed to not see Ant-Man or Hawkeye. I think Hawk was in one of the early scenes with his back to the camera, maybe in space? And maybe Ant Man's there, but too small to notice. Not seeing any of them (or Witch or Vision) in the big battle charge has me concerned, but maybe they're all just over on the NY team.
I'm worried that this might be the last we see of Iron Man too. :-\
*EDIT* Just noticed Hulk Buster IM is fighting the hoardes in Wakanda. YES! ;D ;D ;D
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So are we guessing the mystery infinity stone is in Wakanda then?
I forget where the red one went after Thor 2.
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So are we guessing the mystery infinity stone is in Wakanda then?
I forget where the red one went after Thor 2.
The Aether (or whatever it was) went to the Collector in the after credits scene in Thor 2.
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+1 on the Aether. When Volstagg and Sif brought the Aether to Knowhere at the end of Thor - The Dark World, they made a point of saying that it was unwise to keep two Infinity Stones in the same place.
As for their current whereabouts?
-The Mind Stone - Originally in Loki's scepter in the first Avengers film, and now in the care of the Vision on Earth
-The Cosmic Cube - In Loki's possession on board the Asgardian ship as of the end of Thor - Ragnarok
-The Aether - In the custody of the Collector on Knowhere
-The Orb - Acquired by Star Lord in GotG, and in the safe keeping of the Nova Corps on Xandar
-The Time Stone, which may or may not be in the possession of Dr. Strange.
That would leave one stone unrevealed at this point in time.
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Speculation I've read has the Soul Stone in the protection of Heimdall. There was a line in Thor: TDW where he says he can see 10 trillion souls across the 9 realms so the prevailing theory is that he can only do this because of the Soul Stone. Then there was Thor's vision in Age of Ultron where Heimdall is blind and says Thor has killed them all. The blindness could be because he no longer has the Soul Stone. If the scene at the end of Ragnarok is in fact Thanos' ship, then perhaps he's getting the Soul Stone and the Tesseract at the same time (which may be the two stones we see clearly in the trailer). Loki does seem to be stepping over a bunch of dead bodies while he's holding the Tesseract.
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Pretty sure the second stone in the trailer is the purple one Nova has from GOTG1.
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Pretty sure the second stone in the trailer is the purple one Nova has from GOTG1.
The Vanity Fair cover shoot had A LOT of people in it. And I'm pretty sure I spotted Glenn Close in there, which is notable since she played Nova Prime in GOTG, and took custody of that stone.
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So yeah - I'm gonna say that last stone has to be in Wakanda. Possibly the source of Wakanda's advanced tech. No real reason for Thanos to invade the place otherwise. Unless that's where they take Vision to hide him after Dr. Strange gets his stone jacked in NYC.
It doesn't seem very efficient that Thanos would grab the Nova stone and the Cosmic Cube and NOT visit the Collector before heading to Earth to gather the other 3... but it looks like he only has 2 when he first fights Stark.
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Not sure if I've put this in the right thread or not, but what did you guys think of the new Black Panther movie preview that has been shown with TLJ?
I'm not a Marvel or superhero comic guy, so I've got no particular loyalties - I'm just looking for an entertaining movie. I liked Ant Man, GotG, Dr. Strange, and most of the Iron Man / Thor / Captain America stuff, but this preview is one of the dumber looking movies I've ever seen. I also didn't think the Avengers Infinity War preview looked all that interesting...
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Well, I'm biased as a huge fan of Marvel since I was a kid, but I thought the trailer looked great. This is the culmination of all those other movies further bringing the storylines and characters together, so if you liked the earlier stuff then this shouldn't be a departure from that. What didn't you like about it?
Thanos is a cosmic level threat in the comics, so it should take an army of superheroes to beat him and his goons (which were mostly not shown in the trailer). They've shown the heroes are vulnerable (Iron Man gets beat down, Thor loses his eye and hammer, Vision's losing his mind stone, etc.). I love the little details too like Peter's Spidey Sense causing his arm hair to rise. The big ground battle with Thanos's army looks like some good eye candy and the Guardians even pop in with Mantis waving hello. Looks like more of the same Marvel action/comedy magic to me.
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I think if you've followed all the Marvel films closely, the trailer was an absolute joygasm. You already know where every piece is on the board, and the trailer gave you an idea where they're all headed.
If you haven't, then the significance of a lot of things won't be apparent.
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I'm a little surprised that we're getting War Machine and Winter Soldier, and a little bummed to not see Ant-Man or Hawkeye. I think Hawk was in one of the early scenes with his back to the camera, maybe in space? And maybe Ant Man's there, but too small to notice. Not seeing any of them (or Witch or Vision) in the big battle charge has me concerned, but maybe they're all just over on the NY team.
In all fairness, Ant Man might be in the trailer. :D
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Black Panther looks great. Infinity War looks great. Can't wait for both.
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Marvel just dropped a new trailer for Avengers - Infinity War:
Marvel Studios' Avengers: Infinity War - Official Trailer (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QwievZ1Tx-8)
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And tickets go on sale!
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We have a trailer and a title:
Avengers - Endgame
Marvel Studios' Avengers - Official Trailer (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hA6hldpSTF8)
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How did Ant Man get free???
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I think we had to presume that Ant Man was going to be in play in this movie after the way Ant-Man and The Wasp ended.
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How did Ant Man get free???
Clearly Luis was like "Scott told me he was gonna do this whole science experiment on this roof over in Brooklyn, and we were gonna go out to this bar at 7pm after he was done to celebrate the advent of immortality due to super science and stuff, but then he didn't show up and everybody started turning into ashes and it was all crazy and cars were crashing, and I was thinking 'Oh no Scott might have turned to ash too' so I go over to that rooftop where he said the van would be parked, and I saw these three piles of ash and everyone was gone, and I was thinking 'geez where's Scott' but then I looked down at these machines and there was this red button at the end of this cord that was connected to the machines, and I was like 'should I push the button?' cuz who knows with super-science machines if they explode or whatever, so then I pushed the button and Scott appeared and he was like 'Woah dude, I was in there for like four hours!' and I was like 'Yo man, everyone turned to dust and it was all crazy and cars were crashing and you never showed up at the bar so I came looking for you and I pushed this button.'"
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How did you get a hold of the script?
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Bill....you are my hero.
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Best thing I've read about the trailer Bill. Perfect!
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That was hilarious. I can't get enough Luis in those movies.
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Avengers: Endgame Trailer 2. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVOUpB_sIxs&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR3QnzQ9t3FQ_Ykmsfqx5KtIJ1R09fZETu0UiQJk9-qgiAKJRBFKEmy4Z5M)
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The tag at the end of the trailer was funny, and probably one of the few light hearted moments of the entire thing. It certainly seems grim all the way around. But that exchange between Thor and Captain Marvel? Pretty cool. And Brie Larson's smirk said a lot.
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I like the tease for a possible Kate Bishop with Hawkeye. Also read online that Marvel is casting for baby twins. Old time Marvel readers should see the set up here.
Anyone know when tickets go on sale for Endgame?
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My short spoiler free review of Endgame - it was perfect.
Will discuss more once others have seen it.
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Kind of related and fun.
Go to google search. Type “Thanos” in search bar. Click on the gauntlet and watch what happens.
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My thoughts...great movie. I went to the 9AM showing today. If you are disappointed, then there is something wrong with you.
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"Endgame" reaction (Minus spoilers)
I worked the third shift Thursday night and went straight into "Endgame" at 8:30 AM (with my 9-year old son on his spring break, who has been getting into the MCU for the last year or so.) That said, I wasn't tempted to rest my eyes once, and that is saying something. Also, it's the first time in my life I've bought the big bucket of popcorn (*with free refill) and took advantage of the refill during the movie. I don't advise substituting a bucket and a half of popcorn for a balanced breakfast.
Going in I was nostalgic for the first Avengers movie, which took me by surprise for being as funny as it was, and knowing this one couldn't match that. It didn't, but just barely. Some good jokes and funny situations that affect the story and how it unfolds, but more importantly the jokes are played right. The laughs broke the tension and pathos so well on so many occasions. In the epilogue, a joke call-back choked me up with real feelings!
I was impressed with how well-written this entry is. Every character is spot-on, and especially the core Avenger group get to bring their individual stories to satisfying endpoints. Even the guys who get played for laughs had moments of real heart and hurt that was dealt with realistically. And there were real plot surprises to be had here, starting in the first act.
I have a couple quibbles with the main plot device and how it worked out, but the movie itself acknowledged that would be impossible to avoid "in those kinds of movies" so it wasn't a deal-breaker the way TLJ's "Space Chase" plot device was for me.
It was the most satisfying "finale" movie I've seen since "Return of the King," and it gets it's cake and eats it too, by also setting up future stuff that I find myself surprisingly interested in following. "Guardians 3" wins the prize for the best set-up, if they actually follow through I will be very pleased.
Thumbs up!
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Saw it today...WOW!
Going in no spoilers was awesome! Pretty much every theory I had was wrong in some way.
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Loved almost every single second of it...
The set up of the final battle is one of the most amazing moments in geekdom history...
Let’s give it a week before we start we start dishing out spoilers I can’t wait to talk about it publicly
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A week sounds good to me.
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Or set up a separate spoiler thread.
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A friend of mine set up a private Facebook group just to talk Endgame spoilers. I just saw it this morning and I was floored at how so many storylines came together.
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Saw it last Friday and absolutely loved it. Near or at the top of all MCU movies, and when you consider how well it ties together this whole first batch of movies, maybe one of the best I've seen. Going again this weekend, and will drop back when we can get into the details of things. So many goosebump inducing moments.
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Saw it last Friday and absolutely loved it. Near or at the top of all MCU movies, and when you consider how well it ties together this whole first batch of movies, maybe one of the best I've seen. Going again this weekend, and will drop back when we can get into the details of things. So many goosebump inducing moments.
We pulled the kids out of school early on Friday to catch Endgame and it did not disappoint. I was surprised at how quickly the story moved - it did not feel at all like 3 hours of film. While I would have liked more focus on certain characters, I thought they did an amazing job giving almost all the heroes a little meaningful screen time. There were lots of plot twists that I did not see coming and not really a dull moment that I can recall. I was surprised at how emotional the movie was for me and my kids. I cannot wait to see it again!
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Saw it twice over the weekend, and I think it was even better the second time. I normally despise audiences cheering and clapping at movies, but it really worked out well during the climax. So many great callbacks to the other movies, and a great way to close out Phase 3.
There's one scene I can't stop laughing at because it was clearly made to piss off Twitter.
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There's one scene I can't stop laughing at because it was clearly made to piss off Twitter.
Agreed, and I loved it.
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You talking about the girl squad? Or something else?
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That was masterful trolling on the part of the Russo brothers.
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So I wonder if this thing will win Best Picture at the Oscars similar to the way Return of the King did being more for the entire series than for the last film.
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You talking about the girl squad? Or something else?
Yep, the women. Just imagining the rage some people felt while watching that makes me chuckle
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You talking about the girl squad? Or something else?
Yep, the women. Just imagining the rage some people felt while watching that makes me chuckle
I just saw Endgame yesterday and I had the same reaction. That was a big FU to all of the misogynistic ******** out there in the world. I loved the scene.
I did find the movie to be profoundly sad as for me there were many tear inducing moments.
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You talking about the girl squad? Or something else?
Yep, the women. Just imagining the rage some people felt while watching that makes me chuckle
The real funny part about that to me was they have that shot and the Captain Marvel just turns into a comet and flys off without them.
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You talking about the girl squad? Or something else?
Yep, the women. Just imagining the rage some people felt while watching that makes me chuckle
I saw that more as a shot at DC. Oh, you have Gal Godot as Wonder Woman? Look, we have a whole crew of female super heroes that are all just as bad ass as your one.
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Not a good weekend for woman-haters this weekend. Another popular franchise also pissed off the whole "Mary Sue" crowd.
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Am I the only person that saw that, thought "hey, all the girls, somebody's going to get twisted at the SJW aspect," and then decided I wasn't offended because it's a movie and I was watching Thanos and his army get pounded?
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I thought it was a bit forced and obvious. Kinda trying too hard.
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Ok time for spoilers...
The scene setting up the final battle with the movie equivalent of a Spread was one of the most glorious moments in geekdom history
All of the heroes coming out of the magic portals vs Thanos and his summoned forces was so badass
My overall most amazing moment had to be Cap wielding Mjolnir...and the follow up of the Spread scene...people were hooting and hollering, amazing work
My minuses...smart Hulk didn’t work for me...I know that happened in the comics, it just wasn’t quite right
I also didn’t like Spidey going back to high school like nothing happened
And the Black Widow or Hawkeye fake outs at the Soul Stone was dumb
Loved the way they brought Gamora back
Loved the AsGuardians or the Galaxy possibilities
Loved Old Cap...and the fact that he was the secret husband all along
Cant wait to see where they go next
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I would say that’s Cap showing that he was worthy was my favorite part of the film.
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Did the same heroes die in the comics? I’m curious if it was driven by too high priced talent or if the actors wanted out.
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Ok time for spoilers...
The scene setting up the final battle with the movie equivalent of a Spread was one of the most glorious moments in geekdom history
All of the heroes coming out of the magic portals vs Thanos and his summoned forces was so badass
My overall most amazing moment had to be Cap wielding Mjolnir...and the follow up of the Spread scene...people were hooting and hollering, amazing work
My minuses...smart Hulk didn’t work for me...I know that happened in the comics, it just wasn’t quite right
I also didn’t like Spidey going back to high school like nothing happened
And the Black Widow or Hawkeye fake outs at the Soul Stone was dumb
Loved the way they brought Gamora back
Loved the AsGuardians or the Galaxy possibilities
Loved Old Cap...and the fact that he was the secret husband all along
Cant wait to see where they go next
I believe they are going to address what happened to Peter and his friends in Far From Home. Remember, it's supposed to be 2023 and that movie takes place right after Endgame.
I also do not believe that Steve Rogers was Samantha Carter's husband all along. According to the rules they explained about time travel, when he stayed in the past, he created an alternate timeline.
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Did the same heroes die in the comics? I’m curious if it was driven by too high priced talent or if the actors wanted out.
No, they didn't. At least not in the original Infinity Gauntlet books. The decision to write out these characters was entirely contract-based.
But hey - they've been doing this for 10+ years. I can understand the actors wanting to pursue other opportunities.
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Saw it last night, thought it was really good...not over the top amazing, but very solid. Time travel stories inevitably run into plot contradictions and logical non-sequiturs, but they navigated that stuff well enough. Although I still think the Vision should have been there because Gamora came back and Thanos killed her getting the stone just like he killed Vis getting his stone. Although I suppose if they stole the stone early enough in the timeline it never gets to him in the first place? Ugh. makes my head hurt!
I have to admit I was a little perplexed by the whole Gauntlet switcheroo at the end. For such a pivotal point in the movie it was not clear to me what happened there. Maybe on the second viewing...
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Gamora coming back was the 2014 version of herself, pre-dating her joining the Guardians. But the Mind stone? Based on the rules that the Ancient One set out to Banner, it sounds like Vision would still be gone in the 2023 of the film, but might exist in a branch timeline where Thanos no longer came to Wakanda to take the Mind Stone.... but then there's a paradox, isn't there? Because Thanos came forward in time from 2014 to 2023, which pre-dates him acquiring any of the Infinity stones.
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Did the same heroes die in the comics? I’m curious if it was driven by too high priced talent or if the actors wanted out.
No, they didn't. At least not in the original Infinity Gauntlet books. The decision to write out these characters was entirely contract-based.
But hey - they've been doing this for 10+ years. I can understand the actors wanting to pursue other opportunities.
Nothing in the movies is exactly like the comics. The infinity war stuff is very old versus the modern elements here, different teams and characters involved, etc. That said, Stark does "die" in the comics quite recently, though no one ever stays dead for long and Cap was "aged" to an old man a few different times in the last decade. I think Marvel would have happily kept them in the story, but EW eluded to both actors wanting some time away from big budget films for a while.
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If we're ready to talk spoilers, here's some stuff to chew on...
The big battle at the end where the heroes showed up is the coolest thing I have ever seen on film. Amazing stuff. I did not catch it on the first viewing, but apparently one of the portals has the Ravagers pop through with a gun-toting Howard the Duck. I cannot get over how cool it is seeing Ant Man as Giant Man in these battles, stepping on guys and punching the Leviathan. Cap wielding the Hammer and Captain Marvel taking a headbutt from Thanos without flinching was awesome as well.
I was not surprised by IM's death - I actually thought it would happen in Infinity War. But I was surprised how emotional that scene and the funeral were. I don't think there was a dry eye in the theater and that's saying something for an action flick based on costumed superheroes. I was less impressed with Black Widow's ending. She always seems to get the slight somehow, though I won't be surprised if they find a way to bring her back. Alternate timeline, trapped in the Soul Stone Universe, whatever. Maybe she's hiding out in the Negative Zone waiting for the new Fantastic Four to find her. Lost in the bigger storyline, it was nice to see Stan make his final appearance as well, and fitting with the end of Phase 3.
Marvel does such a great job laying out the potential for subsequent flicks. Loki disappears with the tesseract and likely figured out the heroes were time travelling. That's dangerous. Thor pairs up with the Guardians? Falcon's getting cap's shield? All great ties back to the comics for potential future plot points. I read "Falcon and the Winter Soldier" will be a new ongoing live action TV series, so looking forward to the continued banter between those two. Time travel always has consequences - will the divergent realities bring Kang the time traveler into Phase 4? Visions's stone is gone, but Wakanda was mapping his conscience before he died in Infinity. His color even drained, so the stage is set for the albino Vision to make a return and drive the Scarlet Witch insane.
My favorite setup was the potential for the Young Avengers. Hawkeye's daughter was looking like a great alternate for Kate Bishop's female Hawkeye. Cassie Lang is old enough to grab some Pym Particles and become Stature. Morgan Stark can carry the torch as a new Iron Man Lad Girl? Even young Monica Rambeau was set up in Captain Marvel, the secret identity of Photon (a woman who can turn herself into various forms of light). Spidey's still young enough to join up as well if they want to go that route. I'm expecting to see the new Phase 4 baddie set up in the end credits of Far From Home.
I'm also curious to see if they stick to the core timeline/reality. There is an alternate reality where Thanos never gets the stones, since he jumped into the main timeline. That means no Gamora or Nebula, but Widow, Vision, Loki, Heimdal, etc. are presumably still alive. I doubt they will go there anytime soon, but lots of potential to bring back Cap or Iron Man from another reality later on if they want to. How cool would it be in another decade to have older Iron Man and Cap time/dimension jump back into the storyline?
Overall, I give this a solid five out of five stars. You have to search pretty hard to find faults with this movie and the payoff for lifelong comic fans was well worth the wait. Bring on the next 22!
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Once I learned that a time heist was involved, I pretty much knew that Cap was going to end up staying with Peggy... and once Clint and Natasha arrived on Vormir, I knew she was dead.
This was a very entertaining movie. Was surprised by the beginning (Thor killing Thanos) and later with Dad-bod Thor. It was nice to see the ensemble of various characters throughout the MCU films/show (Jarvis from Agent Carter). Too bad they couldn't tie in some of the other shows, but that might have been overkill having Quake, Agents May, Coulson, Fitzsimmons, et al show up on screen when they didn't really have anything to do with Thanos in the beginning.
I also liked the nod to the comics with Cap saying "Hail Hydra."
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New trailer for Spider-Man: Far From Home dropped:
https://youtu.be/Nt9L1jCKGnE
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I also liked the nod to the comics with Cap saying "Hail Hydra."
Not sure that really had anything to do with Hydra-Cap. I thought it was a funny/easy plot device to get the case from Rumlo based on a very similar run-in from the Winter Soldier flick. All those guys in the elevator were Hydra agents posing as Shield agents.
In the comics, the cosmic cube (Tesseract in MCU) is used to reset history making Cap a secret hydra agent all along. He doesn't know that his history was reset and actually believes Hydra's ideology. Coincidentally, Black Widow gets killed trying to assassinate him. I guess everyone wants her dead.
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I'm certain the writers knew of the uproar over Cap's Hail Hydra in the comics, and that was part of the reason they wrote that scene that way. It's layered. They're both doing a fun riff on the Elevator Scene from Winter Soldier, and they'd doing a tongue-in-cheek reference to the comics/meme.
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I'm certain the writers knew of the uproar over Cap's Hail Hydra in the comics, and that was part of the reason they wrote that scene that way. It's layered. They're both doing a fun riff on the Elevator Scene from Winter Soldier, and they'd doing a tongue-in-cheek reference to the comics/meme.
Everyone in that Elevator was part of the elevator scene in Winter Soldier! :D
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That whole segment was a fantastic callback to "The Winter Soldier". I seriously didn't expect to see Robert Redford reprising his role as Secretary Pierce, especially since he had said he was retiring from acting when he was promoting his last film, "The Old Man With The Gun". And it looked like a lot of the actors from the
In that whole 2012 part of the time heist Loki's disappearance was actually something I was happy to see. Tom Hiddleston has been amazing in that role and I was genuinely shocked when Thanos killed Loki in "Infinity War" and then taunted him about staying dead. And hasn't there been an announcement that there will be a Loki tv series on Disney+? They had to bring him back somehow.
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That whole segment was a fantastic callback to "The Winter Soldier". I seriously didn't expect to see Robert Redford reprising his role as Secretary Pierce, especially since he had said he was retiring from acting when he was promoting his last film, "The Old Man With The Gun". And it looked like a lot of the actors from the
In that whole 2012 part of the time heist Loki's disappearance was actually something I was happy to see. Tom Hiddleston has been amazing in that role and I was genuinely shocked when Thanos killed Loki in "Infinity War" and then taunted him about staying dead. And hasn't there been an announcement that there will be a Loki tv series on Disney+? They had to bring him back somehow.
Yes, there is a Disney Streaming show lined up to star Loki, and another with Winter Soldier and Falcon. I'm curious to see how these shape up and if they'll still follow a "core reality" after Endgame. They have been so good about tying all the films and TV into the same universe, but anything they do now could be part of a divergent reality.
Speaking of which, if changes in the past cause divergent realities, then how does old cap get back to the Avengers at the end of Endgame? Wouldn't that have just created a divergent reality with an old cap? I feel like I need to watch Endgame again and take notes on what they said about how the changes in time/realities actually work.
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Speaking of which, if changes in the past cause divergent realities, then how does old cap get back to the Avengers at the end of Endgame? Wouldn't that have just created a divergent reality with an old cap? I feel like I need to watch Endgame again and take notes on what they said about how the changes in time/realities actually work.
When he stayed with Peggy, that created a divergent reality...but he still had the suit and Pym particles to return to the original reality.
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Speaking of which, if changes in the past cause divergent realities, then how does old cap get back to the Avengers at the end of Endgame? Wouldn't that have just created a divergent reality with an old cap? I feel like I need to watch Endgame again and take notes on what they said about how the changes in time/realities actually work.
When he stayed with Peggy, that created a divergent reality...but he still had the suit and Pym particles to return to the original reality.
But if he had returned via the suit, it would have been to the spot they were waiting for him at. My take was that Cap had always been Peggy's mystery husband, and that was always a part of the standard MCU timeline, so nothing diverged, he just lived an overlapping life.
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Well, this puts us squarely in the realm of "If a tree falls in the forest and no one is there to hear it, does it make a sound?" My understanding was that any change in the past creates a divergent timeline, no matter how insignificant or noticeable the change is. If Cap went back in time and fought beside original Cap in WWII, that would for sure be a divergent timeline. The fact that he hides away in a house relatively unnoticed by anyone but Peggy shouldn't impact the laws of time, space, or alternate dimensions. That should still create a divergent reality. And yes, if he lives in the divergent reality, then uses the suit to get back to the original dimension he left, then he should by all rights appear in the same place he left, just like baby Ant-Man, right? Or are the Avengers we see at the end of the movie actually in a divergent reality?
There is a culling of the divergent realities in the comics, where a chain reaction starts causing divergent realities to "collide." I didn't follow it very closely, but I believe its an incursion centered around Earth. Both Earth's exist in close proximity for a short time, but if nothing is done, both Earth's and their respective universes are obliterated. However, if one of the Earth's is destroyed, that alternate universe also dies, but the surviving Earth and its universe are maintained. Well, until another incursion hits. It was really just a convenient way to start cleaning up all these abstract realities/dimensions. I think that story is too complex to do in the movie universe, but this alternate dimension/multiverse stuff opens the doorway for that kind of scenario down the road. As I mentioned previously, whatever we're seeing at any point now may not be the "core" dimension. I'm betting we get some hints at this in the new Spiderman flick.
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;D This is why time travel stuff is fun!
I agree that Cap travelling to the past to have the chance to "live his life" ought to create a divergent timeline, since there's no other way to account for there always being 2 Steves somewhere from when he arrives until he leaves to put the Stones back where they came from.
...But...
It is possible the MCU we have seen play out throughout all the movies is a "divergent timeline" already. That is, there was a prior timeline we didn't see where Peggy didn't get married, and Cap just didn't show up after taking the Stones away. When post-Endgame Steve showed up in the 1940's, it created the MCU timeline that we saw play out. He was always there in the past, he was just never called out to the viewer. In that sense, he has to go back and live his life to make sure the timeline remains the way we saw it originally.
The other interesting time artifact out there is that when 2014 Thanos jumps into the Endgame timeline and is killed, it creates another "divergent timeline" where he disappeared one day and thus never gathered the Stones or did the Snap (that universe will also never have a Guardians of the Galaxy team, since Gamora disappeared too.) But that timeline will have a Black Widow that survives, because she will never need to go back and sacrifice herself to get the Soul Stone (If we keep looking at it, we even see that our Black Widow died in that Thanos-less timeline, presumably minutes before Cap showed up to return the Soul Stone to Red Skull...that would be an interesting scene, huh?)
I haven't followed any of the comics since the 90's, but it seemed at the time, especially in books like "Quasar," the Multiverse was becoming a little too well-traveled and mapped out, so I'm not surprised they tried to find a way to simplify things.
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There are some things about Cap and Peggy that definitely leave you scratching your head. He went to visit her in the retirement home in Winter Soldier, and then he served as a pallbearer at her funeral in Civil War. But if we're talking about divergent realities, then maybe the Peggy Carter of that prime timeline never did marry the time travelling Steve Rogers?
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It is all a bit problematic since they didn't map out the rules besides Tony saying that when you go into the past, that past is now your future. I think they were all good with the time travel stuff until they pulled the pre-snap Thanos into the future. We even have what is essentially a grandfather paradox that isn't even addressed. Older Nebula kills her younger self. I think that act there shows there has to be divergent timelines.
Really, I think any time traveling actions that they took causes multiple divergent timelines. They go back and gather all the Infinity Stones before Thanos can and use them to undo the snap. Even though Cap goes back and puts the stones back so the timeline can supposedly play out as it had before, there are changes. Loki escaping is a pretty big one I would say. Since the attempt to get the Tesseract failed, I would assume Cap went back to the 70's to drop that stone off. So the "new" timeline where Loki escapes would still occur which is different than what we saw in the first Avengers movie. Additionally, we don't see how they convert the stones back to the Tesseract, Loki's staff, and the Aether as they were originally found in the prime timeline.
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The best divergent timeline explanation:
Cap goes back to Peggy, creating a divergent timeline.
In that divergent timeline, Tony Stark (or whoever) independently creates time travel.
As an old man, Cap uses that tech to time travel back to HIS past in the original timeline, popping in at the lake shore moments before his past self disappeared.
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The best divergent timeline explanation:
Cap goes back to Peggy, creating a divergent timeline.
In that divergent timeline, Tony Stark (or whoever) independently creates time dimensional travel.
As an old man, Cap uses that tech to time travel back to HIS past in the original timeline, popping in at the lake shore moments before after his past self disappeared.
Slight modification, since he wouldn't need to "time" travel...
*SPOILER ALERT*
Pretty sure I read that Mysterio in the upcoming Spiderman movie is from another dimension. Coincidence or correlation?
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The problem is that we don't see Old Cap in the time travel suit. Additionally, we can't be sure he had enough Pym particles to travel back to drop off the stones, go to marry Peggy and then come back as an old man. We could assume in alternate timeline he could just go to Hank and get some more, but Hank seems pretty possessive of them. This could be as headache inducing as all the Terminator timelines.
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We don't need to see Old Cap in the quantum suit - it could be in whatever nanoparticle container the suites vanished into when they visited NYC in 2012.