I have a few things I'd like to rant about if people will entertain my thoughts...
1. Who is buying/reading/collecting comics besides me? What titles do you like right now?
2. The Slow Death and Immense Decay of Comics as we have come to know them...
3. I love comics as a creator and a reader and a collector. I hope something is done to promote the industry better and to make comics more accessible to the average Joe.
I liked the bit at the end with She Hulk, I've read a few rumors that one of the big Avengers is gonna bite it too in this arc, most people say its between Hawkeye, Wasp or Yellowjacket
Brian, the clonetrooper actually meets Luke on the "cliffhanger" splash page of Empire #26. Going to be interesting how his "return" to civilization turns out.
mosnab-- Astonishing X-Men is worth the money. It's the only X-book I really keep track of anymore.
I do hope Whedon decides to stick around after his 12-issue run is up.
Thanks for the clear up Mikey, I really didn't know what was going on in the comic, but just picked up my first (older) issue last week, and decided to take a look on Dark Horse's site to see what was going on now. Sounds like an interesting storyline though....do you regularly read this comic? If so, what do you think of it?
The Flash - SEE ABOVE COMMENTS ON GEOFF JOHNS. I never thought anyone would top Waid's run, but I LOVE what Geoff has done for Wally. It's an absolute fantastic book and my second favorite (behind GL) at the moment.
The Flash - SEE ABOVE COMMENTS ON GEOFF JOHNS. I never thought anyone would top Waid's run, but I LOVE what Geoff has done for Wally. It's an absolute fantastic book and my second favorite (behind GL) at the moment.
This is one book I've been thinking about picking up. I've always been kind of a fan of the Flash, but never really had the chance to read the comic as much as I would have liked growing up. Glad to hear that it is recommended, might have to swing by the comic shop this weekend and pick up a couple of past issues to see what its like.
As you can see, I'm more of a Marvel guy. Spidey is and always has been my favorite character. But DC is putting out some quality books now.
Nightwing - It's kinda floating in a strange direction now, but I'm hanging in to see where it ends up...
Teen Titans - SEE ABOVE COMMENTS ON GEOFF JOHNS.
I picked up a few comics this week, and decided to pick up an issue (the latest) of Nightwing to see what it was like. I haven't had a chance to read it yet, but thumbing through it doesn't look too bad.
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The Nightwing book is headed in a really odd direction at the moment.
After a really bad decision (or rather a moment of in-action to prevent something), Dick's life took a very strange turn. This, coupled with the recent War Game cross-over in the Bat-Books have taken Nightwing down a very strange road. I'm still not sure where they are taking him.
His fall into crime and now team-up with Deathstroke ahve me going, "huh?" Hopefully there is a payoff at the end of this story, I'd hate to see Dick become yet another "Good Guy fallen to the Bad Guys until he's saved" shtick.
Jeff
Is anyone reading the Multi-title cross over entitled "The Other". It's going through a bunch of the Spider-Man titles right now. I only really read Amazing Spider-Man due to Joe Straczynski's writing (you may remember him from Babylon 5).
The story is pretty good, although I'm missing a couple of issues and need to track them down.
And yeah, the Flash returning in IC #5 was great. The most interesting thing is that it sure looks a HECK of a lot like Barry's suit, not Wally's! Which Flash is it? Which Flash will be in the new DCU? Mystery remains I guess. They did reveal the cover to Flash #1, but it's REAL hard to tell which Flash it is since it appears to be a hybred of all of them or something...
Also, man I am loving hte One Year Later stuff I've seen so far...
Batman - One Year Later: James Gordon is FINALLY back as Commissioner of GC. That right there is totally wortht he whole OYL stunt. I don't care what else happens, but so far Gordon is back, so is the bat-signal. All is well so far in Bat-land.
Batman Annual #25: Tells us how/why Jason Todd is no longer dead. A very interesting way to spin things and the first of many retcons that will occur thanks to the "temporal waves" unleashed by Superboy Prime and Alex Luthor breaking out of the dinemsion. Very cool book. I think after reading that Annual #25, I am finally ready to accept that they notonly brought Jason back, but now he's bad. It takes the Jason Todd death angle away from Bats, but makes it tragic in a whole different sense.
I can't wait for Nightwing, Teen Titans and the rest to jump OYL...
And Brian, if you get the chance check out Green Lantern #9. In that one issue Goeff manages to undo years of "crap" between Hal and Batman. A fantastic read and even better that it finally resolves the last of the "Hal went bad" stuff between him and Bats.
I personally missed "Part 1" of the story (in Detective #817 I believe) since my local shop was sold out by the time I got there - but, from what I've read in the last three issues I don't believe that Jason Todd has been mentioned. I think that his story might be being covered in Nightwing, so someone else might be able to shed some light on that for you (Jeff - I thought you used to read NW fairly regularly?).
First off, Infinite Crisis wrapped up this week with issue #7...
(snip) Anyone else been keeping up with this series?
Well, there's a pretty big hubbub gonig on over the latest issue of Civil War (#2) from Marvel.
who's the new Flash?
Marvel
Civil War of course is the big deal right now, and although the delays have been annoying, I have enjoyed it and I'm looking forward to seeing how it wraps up at this point. There are a number of rumors, many of which I hope don't pan out.
Goodbye, Steve Rogers. :'(
Brian, now that it's over, what did you think of Civil War? I was tempted to pick it up, but never did...
What do your lists look like?
started to read the "Flash: The Fastest Man Alive" relaunch, but I dropped it after 2 issues of "Bart-Flash". He was tolerable as Kid Flash, but I miss Wally (why'd they ditch him anyway? )
I heard that the Sinestro Corps special released last week was pretty amazing (I thought of you Jeff), and it sounds like Green Lantern stuff might be getting pretty interesting.
I quit collecting in '91 when the art just went in a different direction and I quickly lost interest.
I quit collecting in '91 when the art just went in a different direction and I quickly lost interest.
Boobs over plot, that era beginning in the early 90s? ;) Or are you referring to the multiple cover era? Has Valiant resurfaced as a company yet with the old titles :-X
I've been a Marvel whore since day one of me reading comics. I'd grab the occasional DC book, but Marvel was it for me. I can't say that anymore. The majority of my monthly pulls are now DC books. I guess it goes to show what good writing and stories can do.
AR: More the latter. I think some people will look at the design and get some strong suspicions of who’s under the mask, and that person, that character, went a long way towards guiding it.
NRAMA: But it’s not Steve Rogers?
AR: Nope. Not Steve Rogers.
NRAMA: So the person under the mask had some effect on your design, but back when we spoke about Avengers/Invaders, you spoke about how Captain America’s costume is one of the most iconic in comics – something that you would hesitate to alter or change…
BLAH BLAH BLAH....
AR: .....We all just arrived at this point where we all came to the conclusion that it would look cool if you just pull the design element all the way up, so you get kind of a classic looking Cap, but with the spin of a new headpiece and armor. That is there to give the idea that…well, someone is tangential to the new suit’s design in the Marvel Universe. Someone who felt that Captain America would need something more protective than just chainmail. As much as I love that chainmail...
NRAMA: Right – which follows that, if you, or if a fictional character within the Marvel Universe is redesigning Cap’s uniform, there are better materials out there to use than chainmail., which, despite technology of the 1940’s, still made sense for the original costume…
So they can sell "Red Hulk" action figures?
A red variant Hulk may not sell now, but put him in the book and BAM! Instant sales! :P
I recently dropped all the SW books I was pulling each month - Legacy, Dark Times and Rebellion. I thought they sucked. Never read KOTR, not really interested in that time period.
I loved the Clone Wars / Republic stuff, though.
X Secret Invasion (Can't wait to see who's actually a skrull!)
Here's a stupid question, where do you buy comic books? Do you subscribe to them? I've done searches for comic book stores in my area and they are either out of business or just don't exist. It not like I'm in a rural area or anything. You would think they would be more plentiful in southern california.
So there is nothing south of Tustin or Santa Ana or Orange? What about Pomona or Chino or around those areas? There was one in Rancho Cucamonga but it isn't there anymore.
Just wanted to pass along this feature (http://www.newsarama.com/comics/090819-FridayFlashback.html) over at Newsarama, which is a Friday Flashback focusing on Secret Wars. I remember this comic and toyline being one of the main things that got me to expand beyond Spider-Man (and Batman) comics at the time, and get into the Marvel Universe as a whole. Its kind of a nice trip down memory lane of one of the first major line-wide "events" that have become yearly these days.
The cancellations have been rumored since around SDCC, interesting to see them finally pan out.
The rumor mill back then was saying that Robin would be cancelled and would be replaced with Red Robin while Nightwing would be replaced by a new Batman and Robin title. No idea if that's still the plan, or what it means for the characters post-RIP, but I'm hoping they don't severely screw things up. :-\
Careful of a huge spoiler on the front page of Drudge today, dealing with the Batman R.I.P. storyline.
I pick up single issues and box them. I actually want to go through my 80s/90s back-issues and see if any are worth selling. I'm guessing no. A friend of mine who owned a comic book shop used to buy back issues by weight, something like $.25 per pound. He'd pay out $5 or $6 for a long-box. And that was the best price any dealer paid in town.
TPBs are a good way to go. You save a little money that way. But a lot of books never end up in TBP form.
I figure I'm paying for the enjoyment, not making an investment. Once I'm done they're effectively worthless. I won't be recycling them any time soon, but I'm guessing my kids will when I'm gone.
Some may have already seen this (spoilers):
Reborn (http://comics.ign.com/articles/994/994625p1.html)
Holy crap is that etarded. Much like when they killed Hawkeye I give Marvel a big FU. These are humans not super humans...any "resurrection" is just super lame beyond all belief. I'm glad I don't read comics any more and probably never will again. Its become a sad marketing tool ever since DC "killed" Superman...in fact how many former heavy hitter Avengers are now currently "dead" and have been killed over the last 4 years? Hawkeye, Thor, Vision, Ant-Man to name a few...again...lameMy feelings haven't changed in two years...it is still super lame ::)
Holy crap is that etarded. Much like when they killed Hawkeye I give Marvel a big FU. These are humans not super humans...any "resurrection" is just super lame beyond all belief. I'm glad I don't read comics any more and probably never will again. Its become a sad marketing tool ever since DC "killed" Superman...in fact how many former heavy hitter Avengers are now currently "dead" and have been killed over the last 4 years? Hawkeye, Thor, Vision, Ant-Man to name a few...again...lameMy feelings haven't changed in two years...it is still super lame ::)
On a side note, your guys' pull lists look much more manageable - I must be the only one crazy enough to be 10+ comics a month :).
So Blackest Night officially started yesterday and holy ****, what a doozy of a first issue (so much so that I read it twice).
So Blackest Night officially started yesterday and holy ****, what a doozy of a first issue (so much so that I read it twice). I won't spoil anything specifically, but Johns and team certainly didn't waste any time bringing the zombies back and jumped right into the action. Add to that the killing off of two fairly major characters, one of them in a pretty vicious manner that I would never expect said character to endure (I can't wait to see their zombie forms) and BN is off to a great start.
One of my highlights of Toy Fair 2010? Meeting Geoff Johns at the Mattel Preview Event. 8)
He was just standing there (badge turned around so you couldn't see his name), mixed in with the rest of us sheep, oogling the new Mattel DC stuff. I introduced myself and tried not to go all fanboy on him.
We talked GL, Blackest Night, and Brightest Day for a minute or two and then I retreated and let him have the rest of his night back. I could have spent hours chatting with him, but didn't want to derail his time and "out" him to others who'd bug him. :)
Sadly I have not been reading Blackest Night, although I have been getting some of the figures to go with DCUC. I just saw that DC Direct added a White Lantern ring to the ring set, any one have info on the White Lanterns?
Just do a search on google for "Whitest Day" to get up to speed on the storyline. ;)
Depends on the price. If they're $3.99 for print and $.99 for a kindle/nook thing download, then I'd probably switch. If the download is still $3.99 then no way.
I like to have something tangible...
Yeah, that seems kind of generic and boring.
And why are they screwing with her origin anyway?
"Oooo... she punches people and leaves a welt shaped like a W on them... that's AWESOME!!!!"
"Oooo... she punches people and leaves a welt shaped like a W on them... that's AWESOME!!!!"
The worst part is that was totally intentional... ::)
From the DC blog (http://dcu.blog.dccomics.com/2010/06/29/unveiling-wonder-woman%e2%80%99s-new-costume-direction/): "The bracelets are still there, but made more colorful, tied on the inside and over the hand, with a script W on each of them that form WW when she holds them side by side…and if you get hit by one of them, it leaves a W mark. This is a Wonder Woman who signs her work…letting her enemies know that she’s getting closer."
Good Grief. She forms the WW when she holds her fists side-by-side? Is she trying out for the WWE or a T-Pain video next? ::) ::)
Ugh - that horrible replacement Captain America suit? Didn't they retire that when he came back to life?
How about the Stark Industries Spidey suit? That thing sure didn't last long.
Other than the aforementioned Thor and Captain America, what other major costume changes have lasted (I'm talking major changes, not minor color changes like Batman's blue to black / grey or Daredevil's yellow to red)?
Just curious what anyone else is reading/enjoying.
My current list is down to just 8 monthlies
Don't you miss out on the discount with <10 regulars?
www.scifigenre.com
I've been buying my books there for a few years now. Service has always been great. Easy interface to set up and manage your monthly pull list.
Valkrye (We'll see how this one goes - she's been interesting enough back in the avengers & has ties to Thor, so I'll give it a shot)
My current list is down to just 8 monthlies -
Batman, Batman and Robin, Detective Comics, Brightest Day, The Flash, GL, GL Corps, GL:Emerald Warriors
I'm also buying the Return of Bruce Wayne mini and will probably grab the main Batman - The Return 1-shot (but not all the tie-ins fore each bat-title). Oh and I'll definitely pick up Grant Morrison's Batman, Inc. when that starts later this year (I already dropped Red Robin to make room in the budget for it).
Most are $2.99, some are $3.99.
I spend way too much on comics a week, I really need to cut back my pull list or wait for TPBs.
I dont get the whole Superman appeal, I like my super heroes with a more gritty internal flaw.
I dont get the whole Superman appeal, I like my super heroes with a more gritty internal flaw.
You pretty much just summarized why Marvel >>> DC Comics from the 60's-80's. Agree 100%.
Does this mean they're ending the runs of Detective Comics and Action Comics? That'd be just wrong, IMO.
Didn't they just do this exact thing with Wonder Woman, and it was an abject failure?
Outside of that, I'm most curious to see what is happening with the Batman/GL books.
Man, there are all sorts of rumors out there today... the biggest two being Superman single and dating WW and then The Teen Titans being rebooted all the way back to the 70s - Dick (Robin), Wally (Kid Flash), Donna (Wonder Girl), Garth (Aqualad).
On one hand, you're sort of just getting rid of any character growth of these characters (like Dick from Robin to Nightwing to (a) Batman)...
[snip]
... it would be sort of sad to see that go away. They've actually grown Damian Wayne into a pretty interesting character, not to mention someone like Tim Drake. I'm curious, if this de-aging does happen, what will happen to that third/fourth/etc. generation characters like that.
The New GL Books (http://www.newsarama.com/comics/dcnu-new-green-lantern-110603.html) have been announced now as well.
or will the "new Guardians" all have the emoticon powers (Ion, Predator, Parallax, etc)?
Batman Day.
Oh man, I HATE the idea of Detective Comics #1. Goobye 880+ issue legacy. :'(
Looks like we've got these announced so far...
Batman #1 = Scott Snyder/Greg Capullo
Detective #1 = Tony Daniel
Batman & Robin #1 = Peter Tomasi / Pat Gleason
Dark Knight #1 = David Finch / Jay Fabok
Notes
- Bruce = one and only Batman
- Damian = Robin
Still no word on Tim, Dick, or Barbara... though the Barbara as Batgirl rurmors are still flowing strong.
in their image gallery there is a pic of an awfully Barbara-looking Batgirl.
I will admit though that I have no idea what is going on with Conner/Superboy now - is he some kind of a cyborg/robot thing now? ???
Most of the released solicitation images for the DC Relaunch are not the covers for the first issue – so look forward to all those being announced soon as well.
Action Comics and Justice League are set in the past, the Green Lantern, Batman and LSH books are all continuing without a reboot. DCU Presents, Green Arrow and Hawkman are picking up where Brightest Day left off.
But for everything else, yes, it will be more of a reboot/restart. They are basically keeping the books going that were financially successful for them and restarting everything else.
The Flashpoint books were also being done by teams not being used in the reboot to help give those guys more time.
I just hate tossing something like that.
Not sure I like it, although I obviously haven't read a single page yet.
I was hoping much of Batman would be left alone.
You mentioned going "digital". Has anyone here really done that? Personally, I don't have an iPad (or similar device) but if we ever got one, I would probably consider it. Much like collecting, space is really an issue with storing all these comics, and it is only going to get worse. I could see switching to digital for a lot of stuff, and probably still get my absolute favorites in "paper" form still. I'd still prefer having the actual comic I think, but I could see the advantages of digital for sure.
Flashpoint #5 (which explains why/how the DCU changed) and JLA #1 hit on 8/31.
Flashpoint #5 (which explains why/how the DCU changed) and JLA #1 hit on 8/31.
So they're doing a Star Trek thing then?
So they're doing a Star Trek thing then?
Sounds like some equivalent of that. Rebooting all the characters and essentially wiping out/altering their histories.
For you DC guys, does this change impact all of the DC books? Seems like not all titles are resetting to issue #1, so wondering if the whole DC universe is impacted...?
Some popular characters (Batman) have very little changes. Some popular characters (Superman, JLA) are getting huge changes like total revamps to their origin (JLA), new status quo (Superman = the "first" superhero; Superman, Flash, Green Arrow are no longer married).
Some popular characters (Batman) have very little changes. Some popular characters (Superman, JLA) are getting huge changes like total revamps to their origin (JLA), new status quo (Superman = the "first" superhero; Superman, Flash, Green Arrow are no longer married).
I had no idea Metropolis allowed both gay marriage AND polygamy...
Comics are just a lot different these days. As much as I love them, I don't know that I would hand the majority of the regular titles to a kid - they just aren't written for that audience as much anymore and are often to serious in tone.
It might not be a popular opinion, but I think the companies could stand to scale back the number of titles a little bit. Much like collecting, you only have to buy what you like, but the number of titles (especially for a struggling business) is unreal these days.
And get the subscription option going again...I remember getting so psyched to check the mail. A subscription could also help offset the high costs, which is really the only barrier for kids.
I'm looking forward to checking out the other Batbooks and GL this week/next.
Have you heard about the ending to Catwoman #1 yet, Brian? I can't wait to see how the comic world in general reacts to that... :P
There would have been many mad people... but those people are already mad about there being no Wally and a demoted Dick now. At least this way Wally would have had a nice send off instaed of 'book cancelled, character deleted' ending he got now.
A copy of Detective Comics No. 27, which sold for 10 cents in 1939 and features the debut of Batman, got the top bid at the New York City auction Wednesday. It sold for about $523,000, including a buyer's premium, said Lon Allen, managing director of comics for Heritage Auctions, the Dallas-based auction house overseeing the sale.
Action Comics No. 1, a 1938 issue featuring the first appearance of Superman, sold for about $299,000; Batman No. 1, from 1940, sold for about $275,000; and Captain America No. 2, a 1941 issue with a frightened Adolf Hitler on the cover, brought in about $114,000, Allen said.
Well, this is a big comics week for me. I finally pulled the trigger and quit... yep, after 33 years of reading DC Comics, I think I'm finally done.
I'm more of a Marvel reader as well, but have picked up more DC over the years now too. I think some of the problem (with many things these days it seems) is that there is just too much out there. I mean, they know their market and everything better than I do, but when I look back at the issues from when I was a kid - and they list the subscriptions you could get - there would be like 10-20 ongoings that would cover the entire Marvel Universe. Rarely did a character have more than one book (other than big names like Spidey, Batman, or Superman), and you could basically pick up the entire universe in 10 books or so (maybe a little more). I think that made it easier to have things line up to some extent. Obviously, putting Wolvie and Spidey on every team doesn't help either - but in some cases I can see why they do it too.
I've had a scription with scifigen.com for a while to get books sent to me. That has worked but its wierd that you can't just get a straight subscription from Marvel or DC. I guess they live off of movie and toy licenses.
I think I've even seen these people managing the greeting cards section, which wouldn't be all that different from managing comics.
So is anyone reading this "Saga" thing I read about on CNN this morning? Some fanboy was wetting himself over it...I'm skeptical, but the art does look fantastic.
It's Wonder Woman. She hooks up with Bat Woman.
And Jeff's head just exploded.
Link came up dead for me... what was it?
http://www.newsarama.com/comics/marvel-now-reevolution-uncanny-avengers.html (http://www.newsarama.com/comics/marvel-now-reevolution-uncanny-avengers.html)
It looks like there will be some Comic Con announcements, as this is part of EW's SDCC preview (which I just got in the mail today). It just has that one piece of Quesada art (that is shown in the article), and announces a handful of series: Uncanny Avengers (by Remender, with Cap, Wolvie, Rogue, Havok, etc.), a new twice shipping Avengers book (by Hickman, with a roster of 18), and All New X-Men (Bendis, involving the original five X-Men time traveling to current time or something like that. Sounds like some books will be getting new number 1s (which happens all the time anyways), but it won't be a reboot like DC did with the new 52. From recent rumors, it sounds like there will be a number of creative team changes with the Marvel books, post A vs X.
UPDATED: Sounds like it is Marvel confirmed, all of this is part of Marvel NOW! initiative.
Ooh - it's Kick Ass the Arab Green Lantern - with a gun! He's got the damned most powerful weapon in the whole DCU on his right hand, but he still packs a gun in the other just to show you he means business!!! AWSOMEZZZ!~!!
So glad I quit the nu52DCU when I did... ::) ::) ::)
OK, I'll ask: what's going to happen in Spider-Man #700?
Character’s death, he said, will illustrate how parents lose sight of their kids when they fight.
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I was going to say: when do you have the time to read them all between work, kids, house, figure hunting, etc. ;)
Speaking of comics, has anyone here ever unloaded some of theirs - or have suggestions on where to store things? I've basically at this point filled up my supply of long/short boxes, and have them all stacked up in our office (which is also the collection room). Although I do like to go through them every so often, as we've been trying to clean the house out a bit I've considered getting rid of some of them. The vast majority are more recent (within the past 10 years), so I'm not sure there is necessarily a lot of value, but again I don't just want to throw them out either.
Lobo is ruined (http://www.bleedingcool.com/2013/09/11/the-new-look-of-lobo-and-his-pottymouth/)
you DC guys still have it better than Marvel fans. Thor's new look is with boobs and lipstick is still a bigger change.
At least they didn't erase him from existence.
and they even replaced Nick Fury with Nick Fury Jr. to get the Sam Jackson look.
The comic books are insignificant from a business perspective.
and they even replaced Nick Fury with Nick Fury Jr. to get the Sam Jackson look.
Did not know this and checked out an image... really? He's got the eye patch, too?
Had time to like Friday and walked into a local comic shop...walked out with Secret Wars...interesting
Interesting that they are more or less doing a Secret Wars/Crisis mashup. I haven't read any comics in years but I'm intereSted in where this is going
Speaking of DC changing things, this is happening:
http://www.ign.com/articles/2016/01/28/dc-comics-gives-the-hanna-barbera-universe-a-drastic-makeover (http://www.ign.com/articles/2016/01/28/dc-comics-gives-the-hanna-barbera-universe-a-drastic-makeover)
DC has just released an updated image of the new and improved XTREME Scooby Doo -If this was Facebook you would have gotten a thumbs up on that one
(http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/simpsons/images/3/31/Poochy_%28Simpsons_Official_Site%29.PNG/revision/latest?cb=20120524005128)
"The name's Scooby D.
And I rock the telly.
I'm half Joe Camel and a third Fonzarelli.
I'm the Kung-Fu hippie, from Gangsta City.
I'm a rappin' surfer.
You the fool I pity."
What happened at Marvel?
As far as Marvel's situation, they haven't ever really done a "reboot".
As far as Marvel's situation, they haven't ever really done a "reboot".
That's completely inaccurate. At the beginning of Secret Wars last year, the Marvel Multiverse was destroyed. Dr. Doom cobbled together a kingdom, saving (or recreating) everyone he could. A handful of heroes who survived the destruction in lifeboats orchestrated a civil war against Doom and won. In the end, the new unified universe was created by Franklin Richards. It combined elements of the traditional Marvel universe, Ultimate universe, and the cinematic universe.
It was a full-scale reboot.
So I guess I'm saying we don't know the past is canon unless it's revealed anew as canon.
Robert Kirkman to kill off The Walking Dead comic (http://www.nme.com/news/tv/walking-dead-creator-says-hes-bringing-series-end-2113911)
How did they ever resolve the Hydra Captain America stuff?
Jman - did you drop your Star Wars subscriptions too, or just your non SW subs?