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Jump to minute 9 for a Season 2 Sneak Peek (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xggYEpemcck&feature=youtu.be)
A-Wings?!? :o Can't wait to hear what Jesse thinks of that...
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Actually, depends on your POV, but A-Wings were possibly even at Yavin in a prototype "spearhead" form (See the ICS books, and X-Wing. :P), so I'm not sure... I'm ok with it maybe... I've always viewed them as pre-ANH vehicles, but barely pre-ANH. The XW and YW fighters were the backbone till the battle of Yavin.... and I've always envisioned like dozens of other fighter types used, by any number of cells and outposts.
I even have toyed with a repaint (and some reworking) of the V-19 to a Rebel deco, but taking it a step further and stripping it down in some ways, and armoring it up in others, to make it look like it fits in with another TCW era ship that's seeing new life in the Alliance... I figure the V-19's were AW's when AW's weren't widespread or even designed yet. I figure the V-19's were early "intereceptors" for the Alliance... no Hyperdrive, but shields and a lot of them in surplus around the galaxy... Kinda like the YW.
Anyway, that all always kinda tied to the AW in my mind, and lineage in a way... Or at least if not lineage, necessity for the AW to come into being so the Alliance had fast nimble craft capable of interception since their fleets wouldn't want to engage if possible to avoid it.
Yeah I can talk about this stuff all night. :-[
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And upon watching, YES, those appear to be prototype A-Wings, which I believe were called Spearheads or Arrowheads, I forget. It's in the ICS for Yavin Base... And they're using the McConcept Art for the early A-Wing too! Or so it seems anyway. I love it! Another thing I've had on my custom "to-do list" for a long, long time. One can only hope they crank out some of that stuff.
I love that Corellian ship design for Phoenix Squad too (assuming that's part of it). A Corellian variant of a CR90? Or a whole other designation? Is that where they launch attacks from? There was a CR-type vessel in Mysteries of the Sith that had hangar bars aboard instead of traditional cargo holds and carried a squad of X-Wings. I love that stuff.
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Buffy Joining Rebels (http://www.ew.com/article/2015/03/03/sarah-michelle-gellar-joins-star-wars-rebels-season-2)
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I thought they were a later design, but I don't care when A-Wings were supposedly introduced. They will introduce things or add things at leisure.
Think about how unnecessary the AT-DP pilot is, why aren't they just AT-ST drivers? Why aren't the speeder bikes operated by scout troopers? Does it matter? Like the inquisitors are sort of bending the Sith rule of two again...but it also seems to the sith's standard operating procedure to groom up and coming force users so they can slay their master or apprentice.
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Cool to see Sarah Michelle Gellar join - let the speculation begin on who she is.
A-Wings - as a kid I always assumed the 'used universe' quality of the GFFA meant virtually everything we saw existed prior to when we saw it. Sometimes in the PT when they tried to show evolutions into the future - the Y-Wing, I guess the Jedi Starfighters - it seemed more that these were what the OT versions would have evolved into rather than out of.
I'm more and more excited for the arrival of Ahsoka the more I think about it. It has staggering implications for the show and the future. Kanan and Ezra may expect a fellow Jedi, but she's not a Jedi and I wonder what impact her perspective will have on them. What does her agnosticism mean for Kanan/Hera? As Kanan embraces more of the Jedi way, does that mean his relationship with Hera is in trouble, or does Ahsoka advocate a different path? Maybe Ahsoka, Kanan and Ezra don't go down in flames at the end of this series. l'll go ahead and predict they don't. What if they form the nucleus of a non-Jedi light side movement? I've been on the potential of Ahsoka's journey outside of the Jedi order ever since the end of CW, but this excerpt from Dave Filoni's interview with SW.com last night really got me going:
StarWars.com: I have a bit of a continuity challenge for you. In Return of the Jedi, Yoda tells Luke, "When gone am I, the last of the Jedi will you be." But now he knows that Kanan and Ezra are out there. We obviously don't know at this point what will happen to them, but is that something you're aware of?
Dave Filoni: I don't see it as a challenge at all. It's what the Sith call an absolute. When Obi-Wan says to Luke, "Your father was the greatest starfighter pilot in the galaxy," is that true? Or is that something you tell a kid because you want him to believe his father was great? It doesn't have to be empirical or absolutely true. Saying Luke is "the last," is that a singular thing, or is he the last of a group? I don't know.
It definitely is something that comes up, and we discuss that moment all the time for what it could mean. It is possible to interpret it as, Luke is the last person that's following the path as laid out by the Jedi Order, which we knew. The way of the Jedi is not the only way to use the light side of the Force. Luke is taught by Obi-Wan and Yoda, who very much followed the dogma of the day. So, he is the last of that line for sure. That's absolutely true. But you don't have to be a Jedi to use the Force. You don't have to be a Sith to use the dark side.
This I think has massive implications for what may be happening in the ST era, where at least we can say with certainty that the post ROTJ Jedi order Luke established in the comics/books is NOT happening. What is or isn't actually happening with Luke and his successors remains to be seen, but in any event, Luke would have to confront the failures of the old Jedi Order in creating a new one and a great counterpoint and balance to that would be the perspective that Ahsoka, or perhaps her disciples, embody.
What's even more fascinating to me is that this is the influence of Anakin reaching into the OT and maybe ST. Not Anakin as Vader but Anakin as a failed Jedi. I know a lot of people scoffed at the seeming ret-con of giving him an apprentice, but I don't think anyone would argue Ahsoka was a bad idea now. In fact, she may have single handedly rehabilitated the PT, and as her codename in Rebels suggests, she may in fact be the thing that ties all this together. Looking back, it makes a lot of sense Anakin had an apprentice. I'd argue the details of it - rather than having her imposed on Anakin, it would have been more in keeping with his character that he take upon himself to train someone else - but that doesn't matter. What matters is that him having an apprentice balloons his already inflated ego, creates tension between him and Obi-Wan and leads Ahsoka down a path that questions the order, it's failures with Anakin, itself and the Republic. Those questions will be front and center as Luke trains a new generation and considers reestablishing the order. Anakin's teachings, his conflict and ultimate failure as a teacher inform Ahsoka's entire way of life. We may end up seeing her as his one success.
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I didn't mind Ahsoka as an apprentice, personally... For me, his training her was something the war kind of was pushing (lack of Masters, and need for more apprentices). I also think it's likely everyone had many masters in their upbringing. Almost like sub-apprentices. I think it was a complex thing.
Regarding A-Wings, when I got into SW at first I always viewed them as a Rebellion-only kind of a ship, ala the B-Wing, and something (since we didn't see them anywhere in the movies) that was new to the universe around the time of ROTJ... It wasn't till I played X-Wing that my thought on that was challenged somewhat, and they were placed a good deal earlier (Pre-ANH era). Then ultimately the ICS ran with that as well, sneaking some of the earlier model A-Wings into the Yavin Temple Hangar cutaway and stuff, and I thought it was neat that they possibly DID have more.
Likewise Vader's TIE wasn't as unique as it seemed, and that model sans hyperdrive existed to elite pilots. It's another challenge to the scenario the movies set up.
I've said it before regarding what Disney's doing... To me, they're no different than EU authors, and I'm sure people will like or hate a lot of what they do. I don't personally view them as an authority. It's like someone writing new LOTR fiction and saying it's on a level with what Tolkien wrote... As much as Lucas can be annoying, he still is the universe's creator so I tend to view this Disney stuff as secondary to him, ultimately. I've never quite understood why people were bent outta shape on the EU situation because of that. Enjoy it. They can't make it disappear from your mind, so just have fun with what you like, and how you enjoy Star Wars.
Anyway, I dig seeing Ahsoka and I'm under the assumption she will be offed at some point by Vader. I'd be shocked if this didn't happen, actually, and possibly before ANH, to better help seal up the whole Jedi being extinct thing. Maybe not, I don't know. She may have left the order but she was still a Jedi.
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Gellar will be the new Inquisitor (mara jade possibly) :)
and i did notice there is a curvature to Ahsoka's new sabers when she was coming down the ladder. who else had curved saber hilts? Ventress. so wondering if there was sometime in between her departing the Jedi Temple and Rebels that Ahsoka and Ventress spent together. who knows what if Ventress also had a hand in starting the Rebellion.
Some people may or may not have liked Starkiller, but i think most people liked the storyline of the first game anyways. but i'd like to see that character somehow re-intro'd into Rebels.
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Well Ahsoka and Ventress were buddies at the end there. Maybe they trained each other in combat? The good girl and the goth girl as rebel roommates?
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I'm hopeful we see Asajj again, and maybe as partners in crime (ok, armed rebellion) with Ahsoka. These two are totally the Harley and Ivy of the SW universe and it would be in keeping with both their character trajectories at the end of CW that they would end up on the same path. Asajj was never and never will be a Sith; Ahsoka is no longer a Jedi. Asajj was drifting back towards the light side and it would be really interesting to see the two of them in this non-afffilated light side column Dave Filoni discussed. Going back to Harley/Ivy for a second, and my thoughts about Ahsoka being in the ST, if she does she'll totally be the Harley of SW at that point.
UPDATE: Link to IGN interview where Dave Filoni discusses the idea of Ahsoka in the movies, and if you read between the lines, suggests this is an idea that has already come up:
http://www.ign.com/articles/2015/03/05/star-wars-rebels-co-creator-on-season-1s-big-death-and-big-return-and-where-season-2-will-go (http://www.ign.com/articles/2015/03/05/star-wars-rebels-co-creator-on-season-1s-big-death-and-big-return-and-where-season-2-will-go)
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Next Inquisitor will be Barriss Offee. And Ahsoka will have to kill her.
Maybe?
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I don't think Ahsoka would have any problem doing the deed.
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Anybody have any idea on rough release date for Season 2? I swear my kids ask me every day when a new Star Wars Rebels will be on...
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October, no?
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The first episode is going to be shown at Celebration but when it will be shown on TV/online I haven't heard or when the actual season starts.
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Season 2 trailer kicks all kinds of ass (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Av8GjpGK98A)
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There's a lot I like (leaving Lothal, expanding the Rebel Alliance) and plenty I don't (that stupid pirate from Clone Wars, Capt Rex).
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Great trailer! I'm genuinely surprised that it was about 2 minutes long and featured SO MUCH of Vader. I always got the sense that the series was going to skirt the fringes of the Empire and that the Emporer and Vader would be dealt with in passing. As for the voices of the Emporer and Vader? The voices were DEAD ON! I was left wondering if REBELS actually managed to get Ian McDiarmid and James Earl Jones on board for some voiceover work. And Vader taking on those A-Wings in his personal TIE Fighter? That was fantastic!
It also looks like there might be at least another Inquisitor in the mix. Because there were a number of red lightsabers featured in that trailer.
The red lightsaber staff definitely caught my attention and got the wheels spinning. I think that may be a hint at the return of Asajj Ventress. Her storyline never got fully resolved at the end of CLONE WARS and she went underground. The individual with that lightsaber staff didn't seem overly hostile to someone with a blue lightsaber in one shot, and also had a hat on that looked reminiscent of something the Night Sisters wore.
Overall, the tie-ins with CLONE WARS seem substantial. We know Ahsoka is back in the mix. Asajj Ventress may be a factor, too. And now we're going to see Rex and some of the 501st Clone Troopers as well? It leaves me wondering how Filoni and company will write around Order 66 and especially Anakin's use of the 501st in the sacking of the Jedi Temple.
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I'd put odds on Barris being the female Inquisitor before I would Ventress, but it's hard to say at this point. I do think we'll see Ventress again in some form somewhere.
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I do think we'll see Ventress again in some form somewhere.
It was all but confirmed when Filoni said her ship (that was going to be in CW) will show up in Rebels.
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So did they mention a tentative release date for Season 2?
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Okay, this is looking so much better than Season 1. I like the conflict/fighting that was shown. Hearkens back to Clone Wars to me, which was sorely missed in Season 1. Really looking forward to having Rex and a few of the other clones back in the mix. Should be a fun season to watch!
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So did they mention a tentative release date for Season 2?
This is from one of the SW.com liveblogs: "No air dates have been nailed down yet for Season two."
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They expect a summer release (nothing confirmed or definitive)
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Details for season 2's premier are up on the official site... Coming sooner than you expected maybe?
Star Wars: Rebels Season 2, Premieres 6/20 at 9:00 on Disney XD with a 1 Hour Movie "The Siege of Lothal" (http://www.jedidefender.com/index.php?id=1564)
So June already? I figured nothing new till next Fall.
After that though, new episodes will wait till the Fall, but still satiating fans to keep it fresh is a pretty solid idea.
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Check out this USA Today video (http://www.usatoday.com/story/life/tv/2015/06/04/ahsoka-tano-star-wars-rebels-exclusive-video/28457211/). REBELS series Director Dave Filoni and voice actress Ashley Eckstein talk about Ahsoka Tano, her impact on the Star Wars universe and her story arc as it moves toward REBELS season 2.
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More teaser video for REBELS season 2 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZY0gqIAcx4), and more action from the A-Wings!
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Vader Enters the Fray: Inside Star Wars Rebels Season Two (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OeaTwSrYS-4)
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It finally airs tonight! My oldest has been asking about it all week! :D
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I am so glad this show has become good. I'm stoked to see where the Vader/Ahsoka story will go. Did she lie to Ezra and Kanan or did she really not know it was Anakin?
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What a great Father's Day treat to watch this with my sons this morning. Very happy that they are getting into some of the things that made TCW so good. Also loved some of the small nods to the OT and concept art (e.g., Kanan fighting Vader and the original Vader/Skywalker McQuarrie drawing). I definitely think that Ahsoka knows and lied to the two of them. Can't wait to see a fight between Vader and Ahsoka! Also can't wait to see the new Inquisitor...
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Lando's protocol droid. LOL.
Now we have to wait months for more episodes. :(
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I am so glad this show has become good. I'm stoked to see where the Vader/Ahsoka story will go. Did she lie to Ezra and Kanan or did she really not know it was Anakin?
I think Ahsoka either knows or suspects that Vader is Anakin, but is keeping it to herself. It will be interesting to see that storyline continue. I don't think we'll see Vader every week now....that conversation with the Emperor at the end seems to have him leaving Lothal for now. BTW, was that James Earl Jones doing the voice for Vader? If not, the guy was good!
I like how they went to Lando for help....I thought they were going to go to Vizago. That was a pleasant surprise!
And yes, Lando's droid was probably the funniest stereotype in Star Wars yet! :D
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"The Siege of Lothal" was definitely something good to get us through the summer. Seeing Darth Vader in action in this animated series format was great, too. The space battle was very cool, especially since we really got to see Vader's pilot skills shine as he took out the members of Phoenix squadron at will. And the light saber fight? Vader seemed like he was toying with Kanan and Ezra. But the duel played out pretty well. And when Vader deflected those blaster shots back at Sabine? That seemed a little intense for a kids show.
I also think it was awesome that they could get James Earl Jones back to voice Darth Vader. That really tied things together well. As for Ahsoka and Vader? Clearly Vader knows that Ahsoka is with the rebels. Bye said as much during his communication with the Emporer. And I got the sense from their connection through The Force during the space battle that Ahsoka knew, too. She seemed very rightly disturbed by the revelation. She seems to be keeping it to herself for now. But I think that ultimately the crew of the Ghost might be in serious danger if they continue to work closely with Ahsoka.
Honorable mention for last night goes to Sam Witwer. He's stepped in as the voice actor who plays Emporer Palpatine. And he nailed it!
As for Vader continuing to appear on the series? I think he's probably going to take a step back. The show runners and much of the audience know that nothing can really happen to Vader. It's a lot like the situation George Lucas was in with the prequels. Certain notes had to be hit and the previously established story points of the OT meant that the audience knew certain characters were in danger while others were not. And that can diminish the impact of the story.
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I'm stoked to see where the Vader/Ahsoka story will go. Did she lie to Ezra and Kanan or did she really not know it was Anakin?
I believe it's one of those "from a certain point of view" moments.
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Watched it tonight with the kids. Great show. Loved all the Ahsoka stuff. I'll guess she's got suspicions but has to come to terms with it before she's ready to admit Vader = Skyguy. :P
Best part was when the 3.5 year old daughter gasped when Vader showed up at the shuttle port and lit his saber... followed by when one of my nine year olds yelled "WHAT ARE YOU DOING, RUN!" when Ezra/Kanan watched Vader get up from under the debris/explosion. :D
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I think I almost yelled that too. :-X
I didn't get to watch till this evening by myself... Vader made the episode, honestly. Everything he did, said... Perfect. He's cocky, condescending with his subordinates... That Admiral can't be long for this world, right? I mean he may attempt to pass the buck on the last part there, but really this guy's gotta be running out of chances with Vader.
The preview shot of him lifting the wrecked walkers and chucking them over his shoulder like a McDonald's hamburger wrapper was awesome.
Phoenix Squadron was also awesome, and if Hasbro ***** the bed on (at the very least) redecoing the A-Wing to McQuarrie Blue, I'll be annoyed. Ideally, they'd retool the blasters too, to McQuarrie styled ones. I'd be content with that and no other mods (the fins bi-secting the engine, etc.). They HAVE to get off the pot on this one. I need a McQuarrie A-Wing! :)
Loved the Rebel's fleet by the way. Small, a cool different Corellian CR design too, which I always had this suspicion (and with some EU help) that there were tons of that "style" out there similar to the YT series ships... Cool seeing those though.
Also enjoyed immensely that some EU aspects were kept around... The Imperial Shuttle Trooper compartment featuring the restraint bars from EU (including Force Commander, sorry Matt_Fury! :P) and Imperial Squadrons being designated Greek Alphabet letters (Delta Squad, etc., as in X-Wing and TIE Fighter). Just was cool they touched on little stuff.
Lando's droid is rockin' too, and I hope we get that as a figure at some point. Kind of not counting on it, but I'd be down for that one for sure. Loved those funky colors.
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The next episode isn't until September? WTF?
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The rebellion is growing, and the stakes are higher (http://starwars.tumblr.com/post/130753708250/the-rebellion-is-growing-and-the-stakes-are).
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I've always enjoyed Rebels, but this new preview makes it look like MUST-SEE TV. I went from looking forward to watching Rebels with my kids to WANTING to watch Rebels... B-Wings, lost Jedi, Vader & Ahsoka, etc. Looks fantastic. :)
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That is quite a bit jammed into that trailer! And a fair amount of footage from The Siege of Lothal which we've obviously already seen.
I watched it at first with the sound down... I'm at work. When I saw that figure with the white hair and the beard? For a moment I thought that Kanan, Ezra and Chopper were with Obi-Wan Kenobi. But when I re-watched it and heard Clancy Brown's voice I knew that this wasn't the case.
It looks like this should be a really good season. And I'm glad that it looks like they won't be so tied down to Lothal.
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The rebellion is growing, and the stakes are higher (http://starwars.tumblr.com/post/130753708250/the-rebellion-is-growing-and-the-stakes-are).
Looks like they took down whatever you were linking to... :'(
*edit* - Google helped me find it (http://bedlamsbard.tumblr.com/post/130754459523/starwars-the-rebellion-is-growing-and-the)
Can't wait for Rebels to start back up!
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Looks like they took down whatever you were linking to... :'(
Yeah, I guess SW.com jumped the gun a bit when they posted that and scooped their own Rebels panel at NYCC. :P
They have it up on the Star War sYouTube channel now too - https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=3&v=YfeWNZqVYsE
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I've been enjoying Rebels with my daughter already, but this new trailer....holy cow. Looks great, and I sort of want a toy of that red b-wing :).
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Enjoyed the trailer a lot. Hoping it's no always a TCW cameo of the week thing as that's a rut they could get in easily but some look like fun (Clones).
I like the concept of hunting out force sensitive kids. That's from way back in EU so it's neat to see them carry that on. I'd like to see a little more EU mixed into this series. They're doing a little bit like the proto AWings and such, but I wouldn't mind seeing some more.
Again I hope they don't get too caught up in TCW ties. Hondo's cameo was a tad meh.
B-Wing a tad early but again a prototype so who knows. And still Ackbar-centered which is awesome to see them keep that. Also think I saw the McQuarrie concept sentient plant in there? Was to be in the cantina. Even got back story in west end games, and a miniature figure. :)
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Watched the episode last night, and I was surprisingly underwhelmed. Take the clones out and it was boring, with them in it was a nice nod to a show that met an untimely end, but to have Wolffe be the one to alert the empire to the Rebels location and to then have him apologize right away seemed a bit too neat, even for a 30 min show. I suspect if they would have had an hour premier that got to expand upon the clones day to day life since the CW a bit it or give some sort of action for Hera, that could have helped. I need more space battles and fighting, not fishing and shooting one probe droid.
I gave the episode a B for the graphics and the return of Rex. I hope it gets better next week. Also, after next week there is one more episode and then it’s off for another month. :-\
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I gave the episode a B for the graphics and the return of Rex. I hope it gets better next week. Also, after next week there is one more episode and then it’s off for another month. :-\
Sounds like Hasbro's release schedule. Release some here and there, then wait 6 months.
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Going back to the Clone Wars cartoon (which wasn't very good IMO) is a huge missed opportunity with this show. How could members of the 501st, which are supposed to be the most loyal Imperial troops, not be working for the Empire?
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The "fishing" scene was a tremendous homage to Jaws, right down to the music. You have to love how Filoni and company can do things like that while still serving up an interesting story.
Glad to see the Clones return. They were great characters, and seeing them some 15 years on from the PT era was nice. Seeing the effects of their advanced aging and war-weariness made them that much more well developed. I was a little surprised by what Wolffe did, and more than a little disappointed. But I had to remind myself that these guys were programmed to be soldiers who follow orders. Still, it was odd to see that the Empire was somewhat dismissive of the Clones and their report. But the Viper probe droid they sent? That was fantastic!
Kanan's reaction to the Clones was very well done. I'm glad to see him get that out to Ezra and explain the events of Order 66 in a way that conveyed the shock and horror of seeing his Master gunned down by the Clones after they had fought alongside them for years.
I think it was a good way to start the season. And it looks like they're going to be doing some multi-episode story arcs with the way this episode ended. I think that was one of the strengths of CLONE WARS and I'd like to see these multi-episode story arcs continue. Standalone episodes really don't do it for me.
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I'm with Jayson... This felt like just another boring episode trying to be its own "thing" and not very much part of a greater story. It almost felt like anything of the greater story was actually shoe-horned in, at best. Very meh, again.
I liked some aspects of it, but this is kind of what bores me about Rebels, and stuff like this bored me in TCW too when it crept into the show.
But like Jeff's said, if you're wanting Landing at Point Rain every week, Rebels will always disappoint you. I just feel like the premiere was vastly superior, and they should stick with the "war" in Star Wars and give us battles, space combat, missions, etc.
Going and finding the Clones fishing for a giant worm, just so you can get your Jaws homage on, is the kind of stuff that makes me dislike Filloni's directing. He sometimes goes too far with that stuff and makes it a focus.
Regarding the Clones, TCW explained all that jazz about why they turned... In general they'd not be loyal at all if not for the programming, or they'd at the very least be more independent all around. The 501st may be important to the Empire, but in TCW the 501st was no more or less loyal than any other Clone legion really. They just happened to be Skywalker's personal Legion... and so remained afterwards I guess, and those may have more of a loyalty/fanaticism to them I guess.
I'm digging the pre-AT-ATs next week since we got early glimpses of them, but 3 AT-ATs vs a derelict AT-TE seems mismatched to me.
I will say I like them playing up Kanan's mistrust of Clones... even if they used the mistrust angle stupidly with Wolffe's actions (totally agreed, that was beyond stupid even for a half hour show). It makes sense, but it feels like they'll pretty much drop it after this episode too. Everything's just AOK now. :)
It's a kid's show much more than TCW was, so it is what it is. I always find some stuff I dig about any given episode. Kind of want to compare interior shots of the AT-TE to the ICS of the AT-TE. Didn't see it jiving completely there.
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I think that episodes like The Siege of Lothal are going to be some of the really memorable moments of any TV season. That being said, you need episodes like The Lost Commanders to be the plate setters so that when those combat episodes do happen, they've got some meaning. You need to establish a decent story so that it's not just mindless action. And that's the mistake that a lot of current action films make: they jam way too many gags into the film. They do that because people SAY that they want action, but when it's just that the story winds up falling somewhat flat. But when you get episodes where the story gets a chance to breathe and develop? The end result is that the viewer is much more invested in the characters and their story arcs.
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Hated the whole fishing story line. It seemed like it consumed half the show and was pointless. My only hope is that somehow there is payoff later with Zeb stirring up some giant worms that take out the AT-ATs. But that would seem a little annoying as Rex and team took the worm down with one shot.
I'm fine if its not all action, but there needs to be some character development, etc. thrown in and not just a weak subplot about giant worms. I would have loved to see more internal conflict/discussion between the clones and Kanan reconciling their past.
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What Dave said.
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I agree with most said here and what scares me is I really thought the first 75% of last season was boring and then thought during the last 25% that they had finally got things going in a good direction. Are we in for that again this season?
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That was kind of how I felt too. I like small stuff like all the McQuarrie nods and I think for the most part the new vehicle designs have been fantastic. But story-wise I'm not always feeling this show. More than TCW. It should be fertile ground. TCW had its flaws too. I'm hoping Rebels picks up the story angle. Like you guys said, fishing stories are meh. Kind of like School Lunch stories too.
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Don't get me wrong about Rebels - I love the show and love the fact that there is Star Wars stuff that I can watch with my 5-8 year old kids.
I still won't let them watch most episodes of TCW.
I loved last season and thought the Vader episode to start the season was awesome. I just thought this week's show was kind of weak and the worm fishing story line was a waste of time.
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On top of the nod to Jaws, I can't believe that I didn't make the connection with the worms to Dune. Although that movie has always been a bit more fringe. As for the relevance of the worms? I think this week's episode was foreshadowing about how the worms might play into things next week.
As for Kanan, his animosity for the Clones and Rex in particular? I think that's something that has to develop over time. The trailer for the new season has shown Rex on board the Ghost, so you've got to think that he's going to stick around for a while.
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I was thinking about how the 501st clones said they were "de-commissioned".
I haven't kept up with all the comics and books, but has it been explained how/why the clones got de-commissioned and Stormtroopers became regularly recruited/conscripted people?
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I thought it was just because they got old. If clones age at about twice the rate of a regular human, they'd be about 55 years old during Rebels.
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I thought Clones only grew to adulthood quickly but I have no idea why I thought that.
Pablo Hidalgo said some were used to train the new soldiers others just faded away. I think there's a sort of tragic angle there.
I never liked Filoni's notion Stormtroopers are like Keystone Cops in space. I think Palps would decommission the Clones as a gesture to the remaining Senate that the war is over. However I think he'd reform the military under other notions and gradually grow it to even larger numbers eventually. Expansion of the Empire, etc. And I think with the seeming popularity he built he could get recruits no problem. I always felt like there was a Republic Military of recruits anyway prior to and throughout the clone wars, it was just never huge nor much more than a police force, at least prior to the war anyway.
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I thought Clones only grew to adulthood quickly but I have no idea why I thought that.
I thought the Kamino dudes said they'd grow twice as fast... Wookieepedia says "modified to grow at twice the rate of Human beings and programmed for absolute loyalty".
I guess I assumed that would mean they'd keep aging at twice the rate.
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I don't remember why I thought what I did... I just had it in my head their growth decelerated at some point.
Looking at Rex, he's not old really... not young but not old. I dunno.
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I don't love the idea that a "chip" made the clones obey Order66. I liked the idea that this was always part of their "programming" by the cloners. I was further evidence that Palpatine was playing a LONG game.
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Palpatine's long game is one of the more fascinating aspects of the entire Prequel Trilogy. As much as people bash the PT there's a lot going on beneath the surface. And the Order 66 program? That's serious planning.
I think the chip concept was a tenuous sort of story device. The story about it played out well in CLONE WARS, especially when that one Clone just gunned down his Jedi Commander during a firefight. But the overall premise is a little tough to swallow. Especially since there were some post ROTS novels that explored the issue as well. In those some Republic Commandos resisted Order 66. No mention of any chip. They just recognized that the order was in conflict with their personal loyalty to the Jedi.
But the chip? It has the effect of absolving a lot of the Clones from any responsibility in gunning down their Jedi. But after seeing how the CLONE WARS series developed the Clones as characters who were loyal to their Jedi and quite heroic, it makes their willingness to carry out Order 66 that much more baffling. Perhaps if the relationship between the Jedi and the Clones wasn't quite so close in CLONE WARS it would be a bit easier to accept the willingness of the Clone Troopers to carry out the order to terminate their Jedi Generals?
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Another day, another episode... I liked the proto-AT-ATs, and found them interesting. Also nice to see AT-AT drivers as well. I liked seeing them matched against an AT-TE too. It was interesting to see in general. It was more interesting to see that they can be destroyed by direct repeated hits from a sizable weapon. That jives with other info... albeit these not being the same vehicle and all.
The story... more fluff to me, and I didn't find it overly interesting. It moves along the Rebels as an organization getting some good intel on bases though.
Nice to see the Admiral get a name... Don't think they gave that up till now.
I'm more into Rebels, at this point, for inspiration, and vehicles and greeblies like that little one-man anti-air turret from last season. The show's story doesn't engage me like TCW did I guess, even with TCW having some big flaws itself. It doesn't help that I watch this alone, don't have little kids... My youngest watched an episode or two with me, and bailed. Said it was "too kiddy" to enjoy. I enjoy the visual stuff so I hang on. I'm sure they'll have some pretty good eps too here and there like last season's finale. For me, at this point, it's like a prequal film. Lots of things to like, lots not to like, and I'll watch it because it's Star Wars and stuff.
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I'm right there with you Jesse, I'm more into it than my kids. but its more cuz of the OT influence of it and seeing stormies and some of the other OT stuff. I loved seeing those blue A-wings, and can't wait to see that red B-wing. if it wasn't for the TFA coming out I'm sure we'd see H producing some of those vehicle even if they used the same old molds. I don't really see the series really flushing out that gap in between ROTS and ANH, maybe cuz its so focused on such a small grp, but then again I don't see something bigger working out much better either. I'm more into it now to see what happens to Rex and Ahsoka now
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Last night's episode wasn't terribly interesting either, and now I'm extra annoyed at the 15 minutes wasted on worm hunting in the first episode.
I would have thought there would be a lot of more interesting stories they could have written about bringing Rex and the crew back in to the fold. Overall I'm a little disappointed with the start of Season 2 (not counting the summer episode with Darth Vader - that was awesome).
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I liked seeing the AT-TE take on the AT-AT's in the sandstorm. The ingenuity and creativity of the Clones really set them apart from the Imperials. And knowing that the Jedi could help in the battle? That brought me back to Luke turning off his targeting computer when he made his trench run on the Death Star.
I think this was another plate setting episode. The Clones gave up the locations of a number of potential bases for the Rebels. And that's going to be fodder for a number of episodes, I suspect. Remember the mention of Mandalorian bases? And the trailer for this season that showed what looked like they may have been remnants of Death Watch? It seems pretty clear that Sabine is going to factor in significantly there.
There's also Rex's reunion with Ahsoka. That's going to lead to some significant story points. But the Clones had to be convinced to come along first.
It was also interesting to see the Fifth Brother enter the mix. He has the influence to divert a Star Destroyer away from an assignment for an ISB agent, so he's got some major juice. I'm definitely looking forward to what he and the Seventh Sister are going to do.
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I found it convenient that the early AT-AT had a two man crew and that was it. No troopers, no one in the back at all it seems. It makes Rex lines about "sending a better quality of soldier than those stormtroopers" and Kallus's reply empty, because we were expecting to see the aged clones kick some stormtrooper butt...not just some AT-AT's.
I wonder what happened to Commander Cody...maybe the Empire will bring him back to hunt down his clone friends. But probably not.
The Empire dismissive of clones...but it's only been 15 years. Seems like people who could remember would admire them, since they won the war. I suppose there's some commentary about veterans there, but the show ain't that deep.
Wasn't quite sure how the tactical droid head knew clone trooper numbers or whatever...Sith giving the info to the CIS back in the clone wars? I suppose it's irrelevant, since it was just a means to an end to find Rex without saying his name before we see him.
Didn't mind the fishing scene...explains what the heck those three are doing in an unhospitable desert.
Dave Filoni voiced an AT-AT Driver according to the credits.
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Yeah the show's not deep enough to delve into military tactics, even on a rudimentary level, but 3 walkers dropped in, no air support save for one TIE Fighter (wtf ???), no flank support for the walkers, no troopers in the walkers to deploy, no speeders (bikes or otherwise)... nada. It's just a cartoon, a kid's show, but it's that kind of simplicity that probably makes me less into it.
Again, loved the walkers, that McQ design was pretty slick with the head hatch, the ball shaped front guns and stuff. I kind of just ignore the silliness of their deployment... They deployed at Hoth a distance away for a reason. Here, they just drop out of sight then (very slowly) plod along to wherever they were to be originally.
I just like seeing new(ish) vehicle designs... Hell, even computers and boxes get my creative juices flowing as to things you can do with that stuff. :)
This arc bored me though, I'll be honest. It was a letdown from the premier. Just me though, a 38 y/o dude watching it by himself. I get who it's for, I just don't care and miss the quality TCW episodes we could sometimes get.
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I liked seeing the AT-TE take on the AT-AT's in the sandstorm. The ingenuity and creativity of the Clones really set them apart from the Imperials. And knowing that the Jedi could help in the battle? That brought me back to Luke turning off his targeting computer when he made his trench run on the Death Star.
Except that the 501st were the troops that stormed the Jedi Temple and killed all the Jedi. I swear between TCW inconsistencies and this, I don't think Filloni has ever watched any of the movies!
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So if stormtroopers are now NOT clones then we can't see any of them get killed. In the clone wars, the clones were getting killed all the time. Here stormtroopers are people and will run away like Cobra troops. I guess all of those stormtrooper figures that have removable helmets with clone faces are wrong now. Didn't Lucas go back and make all the stromtroopers sound like Jango Fett?
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The attack on the Jedi Temple and Rex's position as an officer with the 501st does present a significant plot hole. And that's one that Filoni and company will probably have to deal with.
The stage was set for elements of the 501st to have some serious distrust of the Jedi during the CLONE WARS story arc on Umbara. Many of the Clones were extremely distrustful of Jedi Master Pong Krell. And I think that Appo, who was present in the Umbara story arc was in command of the 501st during Operation Nightfall, where Anakin and the 501st attacked the Temple. IIRC, Rex became aware of the control chip during some of the "Lost Missions" that are available on Netflix. But how he separated from the 501st before Order 66 was issued is another story that's worth exploring.
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He also seems oblivious to the fact that Skywalker turned...calling him the greatest Jedi ever or something along those lines
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For some of the inconsistencies or plot holes, I would really like to see them have some flashbacks with Rex revisiting the end of the Clones Wars. Would be a way to fill in the gaps of what we were given in the Lost Missions and what we are seeing now. Don't know the legal logistics of whether Disney can do that since TCW was a Cartoon Network show, but would still be better than what we are getting so far.
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I'm pretty sure Disney didn't forefeit any rights to anything Star Wars to Cartoon Network. I'd like seeing that too really.
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Don't know the legal logistics of whether Disney can do that since TCW was a Cartoon Network show, but would still be better than what we are getting so far.
Disney "cancelled" Clone Wars and took it off the air until the LFL deal with Cartoon Network expired. Once the deal expired, Disney could do whatever they wanted with TCW, which is why the "lost" season 6 magically turned up on Netflix and why they are free to use the characters on Rebels now.
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So, "Always two there are" is re-airing on Disney XD right now. And it's got me thinking about one of the new Inquisitors. Notably, the 7th Sister. It's very cool that they've got Sarah Michelle Gellar voicing the part. But there have been some rumblings around the Star Wars community regarding this character. Just who is the 7th Sister? There are actually some rumblings that she could be a fallen Jedi. Perhaps one that we saw in the PT as well as the CLONE WARS animated series. Does anyone else think that perhaps the 7th Sister is a fallen Barriss Offee?
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I didn't think it looks like who you're talking about, but who knows.
I thought that was a pretty good episode last night though. Cool atmosphere, a little spooky, kinda halloweenish. I liked seeing the old hospital station, and find it interesting old stations just go by the wayside... Kind of broadens how big a galactic war would be... That whole working stations would just get abandoned like that. I find that kind of minutia interesting. Like when Vietnam was ending how hardware was just dumped overboard, and this past week German halftracks from world war II were pulled from a river in Poland.
It's interesting the station still had atmosphere, but lacked heat and electricity to power much but basic atmosphere it seemed. Weird. Also weird the doors opened, but again no power to instruments and such.
Anyway, good episode I thought. I dug it. :)
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The thing about the possibilities for the origins of the 7th Sister stem from this series of events at the end of the CLONE WARS run (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mc-jLWyxZjI), I believe in the Lost Missions. It certainly seems to set up the possibility for Inquisitors to have been drawn in part from the ranks of the Jedi.
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I think that's a definite possibility, like Pong Krell had he not croaked... I just didn't think she looked like who I think you were hinting at?
I thought Ventress could possibly turn up as an Inquisitor, or someone they attempt to lure in anyway in some story arc at some point, but she'd also sort of be an untidy loose end too, for Poopa Pappa Palpatine so I'd think he wouldn't like that. He seemed to like things to be tidy.
Then again, Mas Ameda... so who knows.
I'd kind of dig seeing what he's up to, btw. Ameda knows a lot about Palpatine. He's there to witness some pretty big stuff, and just meanders off. He's been mentioned by LFL things that he's still around. Wonder what he's doing, and what his role is now.
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My question is: How did the 7th Sister end up on the station? Did she just decide to hang out there and "hey, Jedi onboard!" There wasn't any dialogue from her as to why she was sitting there, even if the Imperials are keeping Inquisitors in old, abandoned places just in case. And judging by Han's comments on the new TFA trailer, it would seem that the Jedi/Sith thing was just called a "myth" so 30 years from that point it felt that way.
Then the 2nd Son shows up and is surprised to see the Sister. For what it sounds like, Inquisitors don't work with a partner since the Son and Sister were always at odds with how to deal with the situation.
I, too, had heard about who people were thinking the Sister actually was. I think that would make for a cool story, but I don't think this fallen Jedi and the Sister look alike. Of course, maybe there was some slight alterations done so she was not recognizable. I also like how her voice is not natural, but has a robotic ring to it.
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I was wondering how she got there too and just hung out. Perhaps she was there doing her own investigation, and chance/coincidence? Perhaps after the Rebels left with the Clones, she found some clues to make her want to investigate this base? She may just be good at putting some kind of clues together compared to the other Inquisitor. She seemed sort of superior to him. They seem almost like the anti-Rebels... She's the Hera of her group perhaps, and the other one was their Zeb in a way.
I feel like the show wastes so much time with sillier **** when this could've definitely been tied together better, haha.
Man I want a scaled Phantom now. I want a scale Ghost too, but the Phantom's a much more practical design. I could see drawing that up actually, and making a workable version with a 3D printer. It's fairly simplistic design would lend itself well to that kind of thing.
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The 7th Sister seemed very fixated on Ahsoka. She mentioned her by name to Ezra, so it would seem that she has been very deliberately tasked with finding her. Did all of the Inqisitors get tasked with that assignment? It certainly doesn't seem that way. It came across much more like the 5th Brother got a more general assignment of finding Rebels, and he detected a disturbance in The Force.
And then there's the medical station. IIRC, a station like that one was involved in a CLONE WARS story arc that involved both Ahsoka and the aforementioned fallen Jedi.
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That is true, Nick, she did. Vader must have been put priority on finding her after their confrontation earlier this season. Perhaps since she was disgusted by the Jedi way, she could be swayed to become an Inquisitor and right hand (perhaps overthrow the Emperor)? But it still doesn't explain why the Sister was hanging out. All that was needed was a line of dialogue when she was with her probe droids (why have they come to my lair? or My leads have paid off). Who knows, maybe Wolffe is still a loyal to the Empire clone?
I think I'll just stick with calling the Inquisitors Brother and Sister (I keep thinking Seventh Son all the time).
I think it would be interesting to see how the Empire recruits Force-sensitives to become Inquisitors. I'm sure some of it is out of fear for their lives, but how they are indoctrinated, etc., especially if some were former Jedi... and maybe as I mentioned above altered so they don't appear as Jedi (since it would be odd that Palpatine would hire traitors to hunt down traitors... not that it ever happens in real life, right?) I doubt we'll see it if the show is called "Rebels" and not "Inquisitors." But, as I said in my previous post, I think it would be an interesting "twist" if the Sister is who you think it is, Nick, because her plotline was left open in TCW, especially with Palpatine's interest in her fate.
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Filoni confirmed at a press conference that the Seventh Sister isn't Barriss Offee and her story will be told down the road.
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That is true, Nick, she did. Vader must have been put priority on finding her after their confrontation earlier this season. Perhaps since she was disgusted by the Jedi way, she could be swayed to become an Inquisitor and right hand (perhaps overthrow the Emperor)? But it still doesn't explain why the Sister was hanging out. All that was needed was a line of dialogue when she was with her probe droids (why have they come to my lair? or My leads have paid off). Who knows, maybe Wolffe is still a loyal to the Empire clone?
The Viper probe droid managed to gather a good deal of intel from both the Phantom and the old AT-TE before it was eventually taken out. I think it's entirely possible that some of the information that Rex, Wolffe and Gregor had in their computers was transmitted to the Empire.
Filoni actually dropped a hint in Rebels Recon about the Grand Inquisitor (the Pau'an who was voiced by Jason Isaacs). He said that we had actually seen him in episode(s) of CLONE WARS. I know that some Pau'an's did appear in CLONE WARS, including some of those episodes that only existed in storyboard form. But is it possible that he was one of the Force sensitive infants that was taken by Darth Sidious?
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actually dropped a hint in Rebels Recon about the Grand Inquisitor (the Pau'an who was voiced by Jason Isaacs). He said that we had actually seen him in episode(s) of CLONE WARS. I know that some Pau'an's did appear in CLONE WARS, including some of those episodes that only existed in storyboard form. But is it possible that he was one of the Force sensitive infants that was taken by Darth Sidious?
Would he be too old though to have been an taken as a infant during TCW?
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Filoni actually dropped a hint in Rebels Recon about the Grand Inquisitor (the Pau'an who was voiced by Jason Isaacs). He said that we had actually seen him in episode(s) of CLONE WARS. I know that some Pau'an's did appear in CLONE WARS, including some of those episodes that only existed in storyboard form. But is it possible that he was one of the Force sensitive infants that was taken by Darth Sidious?
Would he be too old though to have been an taken as a infant during TCW?
If Rebels is set about 14 years after ROTS, I don't think any of those infants would be old enough to be The Inquisitor, would they? I guess they could since we don't know his age, but it seems unlikely to me unless The Inquisitor was a lot younger than I thought.
One theory I saw a long time ago was about the resemblance between The Son and The Inquisitor... thought that's probably just a coincidence because they have similar white heads with red markings.
It'll be interesting to see how it plays out...
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Filoni actually dropped a hint in Rebels Recon about the Grand Inquisitor (the Pau'an who was voiced by Jason Isaacs). He said that we had actually seen him in episode(s) of CLONE WARS. I know that some Pau'an's did appear in CLONE WARS, including some of those episodes that only existed in storyboard form. But is it possible that he was one of the Force sensitive infants that was taken by Darth Sidious?
Would he be too old though to have been an taken as a infant during TCW?
If Rebels is set about 14 years after ROTS, I don't think any of those infants would be old enough to be The Inquisitor, would they? I guess they could since we don't know his age, but it seems unlikely to me unless The Inquisitor was a lot younger than I thought.
I think it would all depend on how creative Filoni and company want to get with the concepts of alien physiology and how one species ages relative to another. We've already seen an example of the advanced rate of aging of the Clones. I don't think it's outside the realm of possibility that other alien species would mature at advanced rates as well.
The more likely scenario seems to be that the Pau'an Inquisitor was a minor character in the Utapau story arc that was offered up in storyboard form.
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I don't think they'd be recruiting old jedi, or even padawans. you don't want too much competition so you'd probably really limit the amount of force training that these inquisitors have. I think that's the main reason that Kannan/Ezra have kinda been able to hold there own. As Kanaan was still a padawan when order 66 came around and ezra is still in training
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I remember some of the web comics from the Official Site had a story about a Padawan who was on the run from the Empire. And the search was led by an Inquisitor who had been a Jedi youngling, but hadn't gotten a Master to see him through his Padawan training. He got sent off to the agricultural corps, but was eventually recruited for the Inqisitorium since he was known to be Force sensitive. I think that was Tremayne. But I don't know if that whole storyline has become Legends material.
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I enjoyed seeing the B-Wing prototype in last night's episode. Fun to see that fighter going through its maneuvers, including the gyro-stabilized cockpit ;) Its firepower seemed a bit overrated with that "Death Star" type laser gun - at least compared to what I was used to when "flying" the ship in the X-Wing games... The episode had some nods to ROTJ and possibly even Top Gun and it was nice to see focus on some of the other characters in the gang besides Kanan and Ezra.
But, now I have questions... In ANH, the Rebel Alliance is clearly equipped mostly with X-Wings and Y-Wings. No B-Wings and no A-Wings, if anything because they hadn't been created yet. I know that later mediums and source materials retconned at least the A-Wing into the Alliance inventory prior to the Battle of Yavin in the form of the R-22 Spearhead. That at least makes sense for the fighter used by the Rebel fleet in the "Rebels" cartoon. That said, I'm actually surprised we haven't seen Y-Wings yet, or even Z-95s. We know they've been around since the Clone Wars and were depicted frequently in that cartoon. Would make sense they would be around in number and in use by the Rebels or other groups after being ditched by the Empire, but not a sight of them yet...
However, back on the B-Wing, I thought that ship came about via Admiral Ackbar and the Sullustans post Battle of Yavin, not some random engineer on some backwater planet years before the events of the ANH film. Guess those elements got trashed with the Disney takeover, are now legends, and Dave Filoni and crew are creating the new timeline ::)
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Rebels was taking some of the EU and mixing it with their own story. It was always noted that the B-Wing comes about because of "project shantipole" and that Ackbar at least had a hand in its design.
Given last night's details, that's still at least something that would fit... The ship's prototype is all we see, the super gun thing doesn't quite work and fries the hyperdrive (if not other things), the final ship doesn't have a twin-cockpit design which the proto did (I actually had designed my own lil ship once and it was like a B-Wing without S foils and cockpits on either side... Go figure).
And a Mon Cal heading the design process makes me think he's either still involved or passes the project onto Ackbar. Perhaps he croaks? Perhaps he'll croak in an episode of Rebels even?
Either way I felt like last night's ep went out of its way to keep the B-Wing EU alive. I appreciated that. Technically it isn't in Rebel hands till near the battle of Hoth, as the EU goes, so there's that.
The A-Wing, they've made sure and use the McQuarrie design of the ship which has some significant differences. That fits with the EU, which in its last stages (for that ship anyway) had it as a predecessor of the final A-Wing we see in ROTJ. X-Wing noted them as flying distant cover for the battle of Yavin, which folks choose to take or leave, and then the ICS has the Spearhead at the Massassi Temple in limited #'s at least, so there's all that.
IIRC EU never was clear on the A-Wing much, and the only things I recall (prior to the ICS notes on the "Spearhead) were it being a sort of "answer" to the TIE Interceptor, but then again X-Wing also says the TIE Interceptor was available to the Empire long before the Battle of Yavin (as do other games and some other EU material if I'm not mistaken), and that Vader's TIE was one of many, though his may have been the only one fitted with a hyperdrive. It's another grey area. I know in XW, the TIE Advanced ships that do engage the Rebels are more like the vintage TIE, in that they're just a ball cockpit, not the elongated hull... Some of it's probably just game design stuff but one could argue it's a less advanced TIE Advanced variant than Vader's which may have been sort of a custom ship for him. *shrugs* Lots of places to BS whatever there.
So right now it seems like Fillonni may be one of the only dudes looking at past EU, and trying to jam it into the Rebel story line. I'd rather he didn't use the A-Wing and instead used older fighters, or a mix, or whatever, but who knows who these ones are. Perhaps they're the group who designed the ship, thus they have it in some quantity? So far A-Wings are like Red Shirts in Star Trek though. :-X
I will say I like when they make up some of their new designs. The idea of light capital ships carrying piggyback fighters like that is pretty nifty IMO, and so I dig the Corvettes utilizing the A-Wings that way and the Imperial ships (still not seen a designation on that though) with the single flight of TIEs on its belly.
I didn't care for the B-Wing "super gun". It opens up too many questions like, if a B-Wing can do this, why don't larger ships like Corvettes, which in theory should have greater power output, mount weapons like this into their design and just one-shot other, similarly classed vessels like that?
Also, if a BW can just be ferried into combat via a hyperdrive capable ship, why not do that and retain the insane firepower?
This is all where adult dissection of the shows has to give way to the wow factor of it being a kid's show, to a degree, IMO. :-\ Kids like the big gun that blows up a whole Imperial ship, so they go that route. Explaining it away logically becomes a challenge and something ultimately I'd probably just ignore. Also along the lines of, "why aren't the Rebel ships shooting back" when they're attempting to run the blockade?
Also why would one pod of food save these people? Won't they just be starving again when that runs out? Or is the Empire just gonna give up on the blockade concept? And if this is an important thing, why send such unimportant (IE: not destroyers) vessels to perform the task? Lots of stuff to just basically forget about. :-X
I really want a "Spearhead" A-Wing, in the McQuarrie blue colors with the proper guns... Would love to have that in the collection. :)
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The nods to concept material seem to be quite abundant in this new Disney era of Star Wars. J.J. Abrams seems to be leaning heavily on some McQuarrie designs for THE FORCE AWAKENS. The AT-AT's that were in "The Lost Commanders" drew upon some of the concept artwork for the AT-AT's. Hell, the name of the Mon Cal starship builder was QUARRIE!!!
As for the B-Wing? I was glad to see some of it's origins explored here. Quarrie referred to it as the "Blade Wing", which is where that B comes from. And the concept behind the B-Wing in ROTJ was that a flight of B-Wing fighters could take on a Star Destroyer and disable it with their heavy blasters, ion cannons and proton torpedoes. There's an illustration that I've always really liked that I believe dates back to around ROTJ, and it shows B-Wings taking out an Imperial Star Destroyer.
(http://img.lum.dolimg.com/v1/images/databank_bwingfighter_01_169_460cc528.jpeg?region=0%2C0%2C1560%2C878&width=768)
As for the super-laser concept? It's cool to see something like that incorporated, but noting that there are complications with how it will disable the ship's hyperdrive. From a story standpoint it shows that the ship is a work in progress as it makes its way from prototype to production. As for the gunner's pod? That's something that actually dates back to Joe Johnston's conceptual design of the B-Wing, but it looks like for the purposes of this episode the concept for the gunners pod got added onto what looks very much like the ship from ROTJ. The Action Fleet Series Alpha line actually offered up what that concept B-Wing would look like:
(http://www.rebelscale.com/wp-content/uploads/afalpha_bwing1.jpg)
As for the status of B-Wings in the Rebel fleet? I think that's something that the Star Wars story group is taking on. I think they're trying to respect some of the previously established EU, but they're reworking things a bit for the purposes of the show. In the new Rebels Recon (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jdj4teY5gik) Dave Filoni said that he wanted to showcase the A-Wing and B-Wing more since he felt they didn't get showcased so much in the OT. And he as well as Pablo Hidalgo put forth that perhaps the X-Wings and Y-Wings were utilized by other Rebel units. Given what we see of the Rebel fleet in ANH, and then in TESB, and finally in ROTJ you get the sense that there are Rebel units from all over the galaxy. That methodology seems to play out somewhat logically.
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Yeah, some obligatory it's a cartoon/small galaxy moments.
Agent Kallus has nothing better to do that run a small blockade? Isn't that job for a fleet officer? See, that was a spot to use another OT Imperial Officer.
Not annoyed by no mention of Ackbar, because that story stank of EU's own "it's a small galaxy" moment.
Quarrie doesn't fly, how'd he get to that planet? ???
Or did he mean, doesn't fly fly, like a test pilot/fighter pilot?
Hondo vs. Vizago...Hondo has personality, Vizago not so much...he hasn't been characterized beyond "black market guy".
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I appreciate the previously established EU backstory on Ackbar and the development of the B-Wing. When that source material came out it was an interesting way to flesh out a character who was a great part of ROTJ.
But then there's Ackbar's appearance in CLONE WARS. He wasn't mentioned by name in the Tartakovsky cartoons, but the Mon Cal's did play a part there. And when the Filoni incarnation of CLONE WARS went to Dac, we got to meet Captain Ackbar.
Now, if REBELS had tried to shoehorn Ackbar into this story arc? I think in that case it might have had the effect of turning Ackbar into the SW galaxy's version of Forest Gump. And the audience could be left wondering where will Ackbar turn up next, like it's some sort of joke. And considering how the story developed between Hera and Quarrie? I couldn't see that sort of dialogue working with Ackbar's character.
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Blood Sisters gave us a some small revelations about Sabine's past.
Not bad, kinda "meh". Chopper's being owning it lately. Also, a GONK droid.
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Excellent episode last night! I think it completely captured a lot of the aesthetic of A NEW HOPE in terms of the design of the Interdictor Star Destroyer. The reactor space was incredibly reminiscent of the Death Star tractor beam control area. And the Admiral? He looked almost exactly like Lt Shann Childsen, the Death Star detention block officer.
Good stuff all the way around. I hope that the tone that's been set by episodes like this one continue through the series.
I did catch a little hint from Pablo Hidalgo on Twitter. Notably, that the Interdictor Star Destroyer in this episode will likely be the last big nod to the EU derived from the West End Games source material.
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Admiral was rocking those 70's sideburns. 8)
Kind of a small crew for Sato's ship...3 guys and Ezra?
Imperial Engineers (?) with the gunner helmet...another EU thing.
Rex not being able to see a thing in the stormtrooper helmet, yet he wore clone trooper helmets. :P
Chopper still kicking butt...killing hundreds. :D
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The Future of the Force.
"A sith lord tried to do the same thing during the clone wars, but we stopped him."
Yeah, he's also had 15 years to do the same thing with probably no one to stop him. That's a lot of dead babies or something.
Good Guys Are Dumb moments: Two times I said "you shoulda killed that inquisitor". Once Fifth brother was knocked out and on the ground and Kanan could've decaptitate him. Ahsoka had 7th Sister at her mercy. Yeah, yeah, Jedi don't murder...it's a kid's show...whatever.
Bad guys are needlessly evil moment: Implied slicing up the ship's passengers. What did that accomplish? No witnesses...who cares, the Empire runs the show!
Bad guys are dumb moment: Leaving the derelict transport in space with life support and the old woman (very youthful looking thanks to CGI) alive. So again, what was the point of 5th Brotha killing those people.
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Good to see Ahsoka mixing it up a little bit, and kicking some butt.
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LEGACY
Is Clancy Brown required to do a voice in every cartoon series now?
Kallus, when kid starts kicking your ass, you're out of your league.
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Decent episode. They did leave it slightly open to revisit Ezra's parents in the future if they wanted to.
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When I heard they actually were casting Sarah Michelle Gellar as one of the inquisitors for season 2, I thought it was interesting here because she is married to Freddie Prinze Jr, who does the voice of Kanan.
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[Original Trilogy Character] Set to Appear (http://www.tvinsider.com/article/64379/star-wars-rebels-scoop-princess-leia-set-to-appear-on-the-disney-xd-animated-series/?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=tvi) on Rebels on 1/20
I know this is a spoiler thread, but I protected it in case there are some folks out there looking to be surprised... ;)
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[Original Trilogy Character] Set to Appear (http://www.tvinsider.com/article/64379/star-wars-rebels-scoop-princess-leia-set-to-appear-on-the-disney-xd-animated-series/?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=tvi) on Rebels on 1/20
I know this is a spoiler thread, but I protected it in case there are some folks out there looking to be surprised... ;)
Didn't click through on the link, but is this supposed to be the next new episode? The kids keep bugging me for when the next new episode will air and I haven't been able to find any info on that.
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From StarWars.com twitter -
#StarWarsRebels returns with, “[REDACTED] Lothal,” Wednesday, January 20 at 9/8c on Disney XD.
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Here's a new preview for the Rebels season 2 midseason premiere: A Princess on Lothal
https://www.yahoo.com/movies/star-wars-rebels-leia-arrives-220534651.html
We get to see a young Princess Leia 8)
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The ships at the start of that clip are really awesome.
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That ship design is something we saw WAY, WAY back in KOTOR. It's interesting to see it get recycled for the show.
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And noted that they're old too. Like the consistency. They're a slick design!
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Today at 1pM, A new trailer for season 2 will debUt today. Look for a big character reveal.
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http://www.ew.com/article/2016/01/15/star-wars-rebels-video-lightsaber?iid=sr-link1
I liked it. I have no problem with Ahsoka and CW being mixed into this show. Really looking forward to the Skyguy/Snips reunion (assuming that's not some mind rip/dream/vision) and Ezra meeting "The Old Master". Looks like a fun ride.
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Was that Darth Maul?
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Was that Darth Maul?
Looks like him.
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A lot of great stuff to look forward to based on the trailer. There is another EW article that goes into detail on several screen shots from the trailer and has commentary from Filoni. Really looking forward to seeing who the third Inquisitor is, the confrontation(s) between Ahsoka and Vader, DARTH MAUL!, the Jedi Temple Guards, Mandolorians and so much more!
So was the female Twi'lek in the trailer the one that appeared as a little girl in The Clone Wars? Looked like the same head covering that she wore...
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Here's an interesting theory regarding the origins of the Grand Inquisitor (https://www.reddit.com/r/starwarsrebels/comments/41f06b/was_the_grand_inquisitor_a_jedi_temple_guard/).
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Here's an interesting theory regarding the origins of the Grand Inquisitor (https://www.reddit.com/r/starwarsrebels/comments/41f06b/was_the_grand_inquisitor_a_jedi_temple_guard/).
Seems like a sound theory. I like it.
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More tidbits about the second half of the season have leaked out. Episode descriptions seem to have leaked at Making Star Wars, along with the name of one planet featured in this season: Malachor. If you played KOTOR2, you know that name!
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More tidbits about the second half of the season have leaked out. Episode descriptions seem to have leaked at Making Star Wars, along with the name of one planet featured in this season: Malachor. If you played KOTOR2, you know that name!
Pablo Hidalgo tweeted out (https://twitter.com/pablohidalgo/status/689330442583949312) that only 4 of those episode titles were correct and seemed to indicate that a majority of those episode descriptions were BS.
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Malachor is also referenced in the TFA Visual Dictionary as the source of inspiration for Kylo Ren's lightsaber design. ("Scourge of Malachor"...)
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That ship design is something we saw WAY, WAY back in KOTOR. It's interesting to see it get recycled for the show.
They were also flying in the background of ROTS during one of the Jedi Council scenes.
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Protector of Concord Dawn (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UyyAEfFmeG0&feature=youtu.be) preview looks dope.
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Here's a new preview for the Rebels season 2 midseason premiere: A Princess on Lothal
https://www.yahoo.com/movies/star-wars-rebels-leia-arrives-220534651.html
We get to see a young Princess Leia 8)
My kids loved loved loved that episode. I think they've watched it four times since it came out last week.
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Cool episode last night. I like the way that the animated series have been expanding on the history of the Mandalorians. And seeing them in the mix here was very cool. But for the whole episode I was kind of wracking my brain, trying to figure out who was voicing Fenn Rau, the Protector of Concord Dawn. And the credits are out for the episode, and the IMDB PAGE (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt5340562/fullcredits?ref_=tt_cl_sm#cast) lists actor Kevin McKidd (Trainspotting, Rome, Grey's Anatomy) playing Fenn Rau. It's nice to see some real actors taking some guest parts.
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I've been impressed with both of the new episodes. I also wouldn't mind getting one of those mandalorian fighters!
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I'm on the other end then because I didn't care for last week's, and last night's was more filler aside from the possibility of the Mandalorians joining the Alliance that was semi-hinted at.
Last week's, the Leia episode, was dismal to me though... My first bitch was, "So you just happen to have car boots for this type of ship, on Lothal?", and my second bitch was, "And on top of it, you just happen to have a prison that BUILDS these boots, for these ships, on this planet, and the Rebels just happen to have a guy who was in there and knows all about getting them off locked-down ships?"
Leia was cool, but clearly a fan wank and nothing more... The only story-ish thing they attempted and failed was Ezra reflecting on his dead parents a little bit. About as briefly as Luke thought about Biggs, Owen, and Beru anyway.
Clone Wars had its flaws, but was far better written, and even jumping all over the place it seemed to have more of a cohesive vibe to it. This show's just much slower feeling, less interesting.
I really liked the episode with the Inquisitors stealing babies, which was like the episode in TCW where the Seps were doing the same thing, but Rebels feels like it can't find a steady footing for some reason. I also think the animation in TCW was vastly superior. The backgrounds though, in Rebels, are amazing. Last night's was easily the best. That destroyed planet was awesome as a space backdrop. I want it for a desktop on my laptop now!
Anyway, last night was better than last week... Had its flaws too, but I liked that they put in the Mandalorian training of the Clones, and that some sentients were involved in battles... I always envisioned the Republic having a standing army, just a small one, and the Clones made up the difference... So I always had this idea that, as the cut dialogue implied, guys like Red Leader (perhaps) were around and fighting in Republic non-clone squads and things. I liked that about last night. And the fighters... My god, Hasbro is leaving $ on the table with that McQuarrie A-Wing and Mando fighter. I'd love both, neither are "big", both doable in Class II... I'd be giddy to get either ship really.
But, again, the story just felt off and rushed (Why didn't TCW feel rushed like this does? I dunno.), and so I'm easily distracted from it.
I'm inspired though, weekly, to make random crap like boxes, or that Hangar Sled with the ladder on it for TIE Fighters. That stuff's sooo cool and obscure to me. :) And a hover pallet jack too. Just good cool diorama junk.
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My god, Hasbro is leaving $ on the table with that McQuarrie A-Wing and Mando fighter. I'd love both, neither are "big", both doable in Class II... I'd be giddy to get either ship really.
Until you open it and realize you paid $30 for a 5POA pack-in figure and an under-scaled ship made with low quality plastic and a severe lack of paint, stickers, and weathering.... #sadtrombone
At least I know a place where you can go to complain about it.... once you're done complaining about how hard it was to find and the fact that the pack-in figure is not female, of course. :D
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LoLz :D
Hey I'm dreaming big here!
I actually appreciated the Class II offerings for TFA, so I'm banking on offerings that nice on these... Then again maybe not. :(
I'll take the 5POA pilots though. They're animated anyway so they're already customs fodder for me.
Man they should make a set of all those cargo boxes, the cargo sleds, and hallways... lotta hallways. :-X
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My god, Hasbro is leaving $ on the table with that McQuarrie A-Wing and Mando fighter. I'd love both, neither are "big", both doable in Class II... I'd be giddy to get either ship really.
Until you open it and realize you paid $30 for a 5POA pack-in figure and an under-scaled ship made with low quality plastic and a severe lack of paint, stickers, and weathering.... #sadtrombone
At least I know a place where you can go to complain about it.... once you're done complaining about how hard it was to find and the fact that the pack-in figure is not female, of course. :D
Need to add a LIKE button to the forum, Jeff!
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Heck, I'll take any new ship at this point. Even if it is scaled down and slightly overpriced.
I agree that Rebels feels shallower than Clone Wars. It would be nice if Rebels seemed to have a mission, like it was going someplace, with larger story arcs. A lot of these episodes seem to be disconnected from one another. I couldn't tell you what The Ghost rebel team is even trying to accomplish other than "be rebels".
However, I do love that this is more kid oriented as my 6-8 year olds love it. Clone Wars was way too dark for them to watch, so I'm glad we can have some weekly shared experiences with Star Wars.
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One thing I cannot believe has not happened yet is the bridge of one of these characters into the new movie universe. I am still shocked that on of the of the characters in Rogue One is not one of the Rebels. How much more dramatic would that movie be if the end is a final duel between Vader and Ahsoka with the Rebels escaping in the background with the Death Star Plans.
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One thing I cannot believe has not happened yet is the bridge of one of these characters into the new movie universe. I am still shocked that on of the of the characters in Rogue One is not one of the Rebels. How much more dramatic would that movie be if the end is a final duel between Vader and Ahsoka with the Rebels escaping in the background with the Death Star Plans.
Yeah, or Kanan or Ezra.
Maybe its going to happen and they've just kept it under wraps.
I wonder if they'll ever have finality on any of the Rebels characters, or just let them fade away with no clarity as to why they weren't part of the OT rebels.
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Kind of a weird (and not great) episode this week.
In the past few months they've been dealing with episodes more focused on people other than Ezra/Kanan, and this week's was Zeb's turn. I thought we were going to get some good character development, etc. on Zeb's history, motivations, etc.
Things seemed to be going okay (I usually like the Hondo episodes of CW and Rebels), but then things go weirdly mystical, and then the episode just ended with them finding the long lost home of the Lasats without us even really seeing what went down. It seems like this could have easily have been a couple of episode story arc where the rebels manage to get some allies against the empire, Zeb's character gets more development, etc.
Just weird how abruptly everything just came to a conclusion.
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I couldn't stand last week's episode much... didn't even pay it much attention while it was on, actually. This show loses me at times, and at other times it holds my attention, but I have to say it's lost me more than kept me this season. :-\
Tonight's (Ryloth stuff) episode was different though... Better than a lot of this season for sure. It actually involved some Rebellion type stuff, and some warring in the stars type stuff. :P
I liked the Imperial Carrier... The concept already existed, but this was an interesting different design to Escort Carriers, which IIRC aren't hyper-capable. It's interesting too that the Alliance wants one. Makes sense. They also carried over the notion that Twi'Leks are enslaved by the Empire, for whatever reason, and so I've enjoyed them keeping that narrative going beyond Wookiees. That some species just are getting the shaft, for whatever reason it may be.
The first sighting of TIE's in racks was nice too.
I'm curious how they'll be going forward from here... When they're doing actual Rebellion-type stuff, it's a little more interesting. I can't say the characters have evolved to where I care about them much though. Except Chopper. I love Chopper, and his design. :)
There's a lot of better stuff this episode though. It's definitely cooler than the last one. Much more fun and interesting. And seeing Syndulla's crew using CW era hardware still interests me a lot. Could this be a good way for the Alliance to get some Y-Wings in their arsenal finally?
As the show progresses though, I hope they pay attention to the EU narrative on some things... I'd hate to see them show the X-Wing's arrival without giving nods to the previously established EU. The show seems to integrate things well enough in that regard, but that's the kind of thing I could see them rewriting, and not doing a good job of it.
Time to get some Z-95's and Y-Wings in there though. :P Let's get moving on that, hah.
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Save the space whales, murder the hard working gas miners...even Ezra gets kill happy, sending a Rodian pilot to his icy space tomb. They weren't imperials, more like independent contractors. But hey, they were also ugly aliens who flew TIE fighters...ugly yellow tie fighters...and had the nerve to attack a ship whose gun turret was aiming at them. Same ship was heading to their facility to steal from them.
Homecoming was better, even if the Empire is pretty incompetent...why do stormtroopers have a policy of asking intruders to surrender? Don't they have stun settings?
Where did the evacuated carrier TIES go? To the light cruiser? To the surface? I know they had to get the imperials off the ship, they can't just kill them like gas miners. Oh, right they totally killed everyone on the light cruiser. :P
Twi'leks are odd. The men have humanoid ears and sharp teeth. The women have nub ears and human teeth. Looking at her dad, how did Hera wind up green? Was her mom green? Is that a dominant gene...the green gene?
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Great episode. They actually gave us some back story and a little character development for Hera and Chopper. I think they've missed on a bunch of the episodes this last half of the season, but this one was great.
I think the thing that cracks me up the most is the nameless Imperial Officer that they have in every one of these shows. He looks the same each show, and generally has his spacecraft get destroyed. I guess he is the Star Trek red shirt of the Rebels world.
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I liked this week's episode as well. I'll have to go back and see if I can find the Clone Wars episode they were referring to.
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I enjoyed last week's episode as well, if anything because it had more space battle action and that Star Wars feel to it. Something this season of Rebels has seemed to lack, save a few notable exceptions. I Liked the backstory development for Hera and the connection to the CW show characters. Also fun to see the TIE Bombers make an appearance. I guess the ship the Rebels were in was the TIE Shuttle variant of the TIE Bomber as there sure was a lot of room in that thing!
Overall, I'm just not as into SW Rebels as much as I was into the Clone Wars series. With Clone Wars, I did everything in my power to ensure I was able to catch the new episode, however, with Rebels, if I miss one, I don't really care... Actually, I missed the entire first season, only getting into the show after I purchased the first season on DVD on a whim. I guess its the more kid-like feel to Rebels and the really fast pace of the episodes (conflict to resolution in around 22 minutes) and the overall lack of fighting a war in the stars that turns me off more so than Clone Wars did...
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The little details are some of the best bits about REBELS. I love how Hera was slipping into her old accent when she was arguing with her father in private. The return of Numa as one of Cham Syndulla's warriors was great, too.
The Imperial ships were well done, too. It's good to see some ships other than an Imperial Star Destroyer, like the Imperial Carrier (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Quasar_Fire-Class_Cruiser-Carrier) or the light cruiser. And also seeing the TIE Bomber used in it's TIE Boarding Craft configuration was good stuff, too.
It looks like bit by bit the Rebellion is building up a fleet of their own, from the Blockade Runners, to the A-Wings, plus Leia's three cruisers and now the Quasar Fire class carrier. I wonder if the B-Wings will be going operational soon, and join the fleet too?
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Remember before the show even aired folks were wondering if Kallus would be the bad guy who defects?
Yeah, after a season and a half that seemed unlikely, then we get The Honorable Ones where Sisko and Dukat I mean Kallus and Zeb are marooned together on an alien planet, waiting for rescue.
The fate of the Geonosians? ARE THEY ALL ZOMBIES NOW? Did the Empire try to contain the zombie worm?
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Great episode last night. Good to see Zeb portrayed in a more serious light and not just one dimensional strong guy who smashes stuff or comic relief.
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I liked it, but at least in my mind it seemed like a stretch that Kallus would have acted that way. I've gotten a pretty "evil Imperial" vibe from him. I could be wrong though.
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Yeah, I didn't care for Kallus' change here. There aren't enough baddies on the show and Kallus was a mainstay. We don't see the Inquisitors enough and Vader can't be in every episode either. If Kallus defects then there isn't that born and bred Imperial officer that is after the Ghost crew. Kallus sounded apologetic about the massacre of Lasats and didn't seem to character. Maybe if he described things from the Empire's point of view as being right. I understand the whole respect between soldiers when they are trying to survive but I think Kallus should have retained his disdain for what Zeb is doing (maybe under the guise of them being viewed as terrorists instead of heroes).
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Well, rumors are the recurring Imperial antagonist for season 3 will be Thrawn. So they gotta do something will Kallus.
But. yeah. I'd think the type of person who'd be promoted to Imperial Security Agent wouldn't be one with much of a conscience.
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Also didn't care for the "Pitch Black" like creatures.
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Well, rumors are the recurring Imperial antagonist for season 3 will be Thrawn. So they gotta do something will Kallus.
But. yeah. I'd think the type of person who'd be promoted to Imperial Security Agent wouldn't be one with much of a conscience.
Really? That's the first I've heard of that rumor. There are rumors of a character similar to Thrawn being in the mix for ROGUE ONE, but I haven't heard anything about Thrawn in REBELS up until now.
The Rebels Recon following this episode was enlightening. It seems like the show runners want a character like Kallus to have a little bit of depth. One dimensional villains are rarely interesting. Knowing that Kallus has some degree of respect for the Rebels following his ordeal with Zeb makes him more interesting. He believes what he's doing on behalf of the Empire is right. But after his time with Zeb? He seems to have reservations. Zeb is an honorable warrior. Zeb helped to protect Kallus and save his life, even though he didn't have to. Zeb didn't take Kallus captive when the Ghost responded to the distress beacon. And when Kallus wound up back on his Star Destroyer? He found a cold place where there was little compassion for him after what he had been through.
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Also didn't care for the "Pitch Black" like creatures.
Weren't those Acklay creatures? I assumed that since it was a moon of Geonosis, and there were Acklay in the Geonosis arena that they were supposed to be Acklay.
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Also didn't care for the "Pitch Black" like creatures.
Weren't those Acklay creatures? I assumed that since it was a moon of Geonosis, and there were Acklay in the Geonosis arena that they were supposed to be Acklay.
They made a noise like the Acklay, but didn't look like them. Perhaps it's the animated version of them? A cousin?
Edit: according to wookieepedia, the creatures are called Bonzami.
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Well, rumors are the recurring Imperial antagonist for season 3 will be Thrawn. So they gotta do something will Kallus.
But. yeah. I'd think the type of person who'd be promoted to Imperial Security Agent wouldn't be one with much of a conscience.
Really? That's the first I've heard of that rumor. There are rumors of a character similar to Thrawn being in the mix for ROGUE ONE, but I haven't heard anything about Thrawn in REBELS up until now.
Rumor: The largest cameo in Star Wars Rebels’ (C)history? (http://makingstarwars.net/2016/01/rumor-the-largest-cameo-in-star-wars-rebels-chistory/)
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I really don't like any attempts to make the Empire seem sympathetic. They're galactic Nazis for chrissakes. (Even down to committing genocide as shown this very episode) They kept trying to play that card in Aftermath too, but it just seemed asinine to me. let's try to remember how many sweet innocent babies they blew to bits when they took out Alderaan. But yeah, they're just a bunch of misunderstood sweethearts. ::)
I know we're not there yet in the timeline but even a dope like Kallus can see what they are all about. The fact that he continues to be a part of it means he is just as bad as the rest if not worse, imho.
I loved all the stuff about the Death Star this week though, just eerie.
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I actually liked that aspect of things, but this episode, meh...
But the world isn't a black/white place. And Star Wars is a very much larger thing than our own world.
Think back to Anakin's statements to Padme... He wanted to take the galaxy, make it safe... He's bad, but he has his own intentions too, and they're not all bad. The Clone Wars made a LOT of people look at the way things were as bad, and that a change was in order. So I've always felt that the Imperials are probably largely comprised of well-intentioned, or motivated people.
I think the Empire would be filled with people who felt the galaxy, before the Empire, was out of control, in a vast number of ways... We can see the Empire as the great villain, but it's never that clear or clean-cut to everyone involved in reality. The Empire maybe promised peace, prosperity, security, expansion, the elimination of some things largely loathed (even though they, themselves, perhaps now controlled this and called it another name perhaps?), and people would flock to it.
Like Padme said, about democracy dying... Democracy, in Star Wars, was a failure... And here we are at TFA, and it's failed again (New Republic not supporting the Resistance, who were smart enough to keep eyes open, etc.).
I'm ok with Kallus being a possible turncoat... He wouldn't be the first character in the saga to do it (Madine and quite a few others). Sometimes it takes being out in it a while to finally see what's wrong too. And that means you may have gotten your own hands dirty.
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I think the Empire would be filled with people who felt the galaxy, before the Empire, was out of control, in a vast number of ways... We can see the Empire as the great villain, but it's never that clear or clean-cut to everyone involved in reality. The Empire maybe promised peace, prosperity, security, expansion, the elimination of some things largely loathed (even though they, themselves, perhaps now controlled this and called it another name perhaps?), and people would flock to it.
Even Luke was going to sign up for the Academy and join the Empire just to get off of Tatooine. It must not have had that bad of a reputation if regular honest farm folk were signing up for it.
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Why would Luke want to join the Imperial Academy but not go into the Imperial Star Fleet? Is this a reference to draft dodging? Why would he go to school to be an Imperial officer but not want to go into Star Fleet? He tells Ben that he hates the Empire but there is nothing he can do about it now.
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I'm all for people joining the Empire because they think it is doing the right thing. Then realizing the top of the food chain are pretty evil and thus have second thoughts.
That doesn't mean you can just pick any Imperial and make his story that. I have never felt Kallus fit the above description. He seems like the guy that makes someone else fit the above description.
That being said, I'm no Agent Kallus great mind.
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The Empire was sold as a "safe, secure society" to the people of the Republic in the aftermath of the Clone Wars. And it wasn't until the Empire's apparatus was fully in place that it revealed itself to be this oppressive regime. For some people living in the outer rim, the Empire probably seemed like a way out. Luke certainly seemed to think that. And Han Solo, according to the previously established backstory, was with the Empire at some point. The same goes for Biggs Darklighter and General Dodonna.
Fact is, the Rebellion probably would not have had anywhere near as many skilled soldiers or pilots if they hadn't deserted the ranks of the Empire's military forces. Telling the story of an Imperial who has an epiphany, where they see the light about the true nature of the Empire seems in line with how the Rebellion was built over time.
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Why would Luke want to join the Imperial Academy but not go into the Imperial Star Fleet? Is this a reference to draft dodging? Why would he go to school to be an Imperial officer but not want to go into Star Fleet? He tells Ben that he hates the Empire but there is nothing he can do about it now.
I don't think Luke was going to go to the Imperial academy. Biggs went to a different academy and ran off to join the Rebel Alliance before he was conscripted by the Empire. That was another reason Owen was trying to delay Luke into going to the academy.
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Yeah I think the Academy has a more complex backstory than maybe they show sometimes... It's perhaps a place where lots of people go, and maybe even non-humans, but where conscription and possible honest recruitment take place too...
That said, think about this. The Empire has slavery, but is it slavery of everyone, or is it slavery of select species? Perhaps under the guise of punishment for "anti-Imperial" behavior, or even anti-Republic (going back to the Clone Wars) actions... Which these things could be largely considered just punishment, and retribution for their actions. It could be established that races, such as Wookiees, were seen as a threat via propaganda, manipulation of the facts, etc., and same with the Lasat, or anyone really.
Meanwhile, there was actual slavery going on prior to TCW, which was considered reprehensible and not even believable to some... Padme's reaction to Anakin's enslavement on Tatooine. So the Empire comes along, and they basically encroach and reign in "Hutt Space" and all these places that were beyond the Republic's realm or sphere of influence. The Empire reigns in these "Disruptive Alien Cultures", like Neimoidians, or Geonosians, or anyone else who started to speak up. Slavery, forced labor, become different things (to people who support the Empire) to rather just punishment... Now of course, some will see this for what it is, but others won't, especially the further removed they are from it.
I've always enjoyed that view of Star Wars, which didn't have the blinders of the movies on... The Empire was maybe expanding what the Republic had. They were exploring wild space, new settlements, making new opportunities for people, regulating things that were unregulated, reigning in the "bad elements" (Piracy, bounty hunting issues, overbearing corporations and conglomerates, etc.), but at the same time you have the obvious BAD things the Empire was doing too, but did everyone always see that? Or did some guys just join up, and have a fairly mundane career?
Regarding Kallus' personal story there, I can take/leave that. I wouldn't have been hurt if they went the opposite way and he's just a horrible Imperial who hates aliens, commits genocide... But I'm totally ok with it going the other way.
Matt, you're gonna hate this, but Force Commander's story was the embodiment of this discussion really. 2 troopers, brothers, serve in the Empire... Time separates them, they learn some about the Empire and their pasts, eventually they're both in the Alliance by the end of the story, realizing the Empire was corrupt (even more than the Old Republic was).
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Well, rumors are the recurring Imperial antagonist for season 3 will be Thrawn. So they gotta do something will Kallus.
But. yeah. I'd think the type of person who'd be promoted to Imperial Security Agent wouldn't be one with much of a conscience.
Really? That's the first I've heard of that rumor. There are rumors of a character similar to Thrawn being in the mix for ROGUE ONE, but I haven't heard anything about Thrawn in REBELS up until now.
Rumor: The largest cameo in Star Wars Rebels’ (C)history? (http://makingstarwars.net/2016/01/rumor-the-largest-cameo-in-star-wars-rebels-chistory/)
Thanks for the link. If it happens, I think it could be very cool.
But I'm taking EVERYTHING I read at MSW with a grain of salt. I read a good deal of the spoiler reports for THE FORCE AWAKENS that were posted there, and some of them were so far off base that it was laughable. They got a lot of stuff right, but they also got plenty wrong.
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Shroud of Darkness was good, GUEST STAR OVERLOAD, though, largely a set-up for what comes next.
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Yeah definitely a set-up episode, but interesting. Seems like a deeper story coming soon. So far I've not been impressed with how they handle things like that, but this gives a sign that there's more to come, that isn't so superficial.
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Excellent episode, without a doubt! From beginning to end it was solid. The duel with the Inquisitors was pretty intense. And the revelations in the Jedi Temple on Lothal were major game changers in terms of developing Kanan, Ezra and Ahsoka.
I also like the continuity that's being explored from the movies as well as the CLONE WARS series. Frank Oz was great as Yoda. I was left wondering if he did it because it was a one-off, or what? James Earl Jones voicing Vader is always impressive. And bringing back Matt Lanter to voice Anakin was excellent, too.
One of the biggest reveals clearly came from Kanan's vision. Ever since Dave Filoni said that we had seen the Grand Inquisitor in an episode of CLONE WARS, I had been wracking my brain trying to figure out where, when or who he was. Was he one of the Force sensitive children kidnapped by Darth Sidious? Was he perhaps one of the Utapauans who was featured in the incomplete episodes that were only realized as storyboards? Or was he someone else? The realization that he had been a Temple guard was a big deal. There had been talk that some Jedi had gone to the Dark side following Order 66. This confirms that story point. And it was good to have Jason Isaacs back in his role as the Grand Inquisitor, too.
And then there's the bit that goes WAY BACK to the events of the Knights Of The Old Republic games. When Yoda tells Ezra to go find Malachor! For those who didn't play the game, Malachor 5 was the final location of KOTOR 2, where the Jedi Outcast faced off against Darth Traya and Darth Sion. IIRC, Malachor 5 was destroyed at the end of the game. But the backstory for that system is incredibly forbidding. And I have to wonder how this will play out in REBELS.
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I did like the Malachor reference. When will the next new episodes air?
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In two weeks. Rebels Recon covered that. Not sure why they're taking next week off, but for some reason they are. I think Malachor will probably get explored around the time of the season finale.
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I did like the Malachor reference. When will the next new episodes air?
Was that by chance maybe just borrowed from the Knights of the Old Republic Games?
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Malachor dates back to the KOTOR days. And it's also been referenced in the most recent edition of the Visual Dictionary, specifically regarding the backstory of Kylo Ren's lightsaber.
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The Forgotten Droid I like Chopper so this one was a winner. Wonder if his pal will be sticking around for the long term.
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I hate when they shrink the credits so I can't see who the voices are. I know I recognize that Imperial Droid's voice. All I could think of was man, it sucks that they're never going to make that action figure. Which is pretty much what I think whenever I see anything cool on this show.
I liked it, I feel like it would have been a lot more compelling tie-in if the new base they had found was on Yavin, or even Dantooine, but whateves. I guess they'll get there eventually.
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The credit crunch is really annoying. But cable channels like Disney XD want to squeeze every second of promos in that they possibly can.
As for who played AP-5? That would be Stephen Stanton (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt5340586/?ref_=tt_eps_cu_n), who also voiced Grand Moff Tarkin on REBELS.
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Almost sounded like he was doing a slight Alan Rickman impression.
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One of the more fun episodes and had a lot of action aside from the main story. While I can't say I like all the characters, I do dig Chopper a lot.
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While I liked seeing the McQuarrie Spiders... Man this show is slow and dull sometimes. Last night being one of those times. The end scene sets up an obvious character connection and plot, but beyond that, this one was nothing but Spider fights. If you watched recon after, they try to imply other stuff but really none of it moved the show along.
Next week looks to have more umph to it, but I was never a fan of having this character back, so that alone kind of spurs me on the upcoming ep. :(
I want to like Rebels more, but it's like its a chore some weeks.
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I agree with you a lot Jesse. It seems like they have been testing the waters way too long to see if people are on board or not. And too often they are throwing in the meaningless 'kids entertainment' episodes like the Chopper one. If you ended up editing all of the meaningless stuff out of the last two seasons, I don't think you'd have enough there to make half a season at best. I know that The Clone Wars had the first two movies and a ton of EU books and comics to build off of, but there's enough going on to have some really good story arcs in Rebels and yet there is nothing but single episode rabble IMO. I guess this is why my sons like it and look forward to new episodes every week and I'm just 'meh' on the whole series. I'll give it until Season 3 and then I think I might be done...
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I'm sure I'll watch cuz it's Star Wars and all but man I want to like it more. I like parts of it but not all. I actually enjoyed the Chopper ep, but only because I felt it moved things along. He meets a new guy they'll have on now, new guy helps them with getting the base, blah blah blah.
But like this week I have someone on twitter challenging my opinion and going with the same ole same ole "it's character driven and you don't understand..." implication. No, I understand, but last night was really only ONE thing at the end that had to do with developing the characters at all and it's something most of us feel is obvious I'm sure.
I never thought TCW was perfect by any means but it had more hits than misses. Rebels I can't say is the same. It feels like so much is just dull filler, and like this whole season there has been one "mystery" and nothing else to it but that filler. The mystery gets brought up but then just fades away to more filler. *shrugs*
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And what happened to the pilot? They went in looking for Rex and her, found Rex but no mention of Dreiden (?) after they found Rex and left. I didn't see any remains so they essentially left her behind. No mention afterwards. Nice heroes these Rebels are. Is the pilot a Star Wars equivalent to a Red Shirt?
I also felt that the episode didn't respect the idea of the Rebels. It felt like the Rebels were essentially the Empire in the fact that they find a base, build there, place sensors that disrupted the lives of the native species on the planet. But hey, they're spiders and attacking the Rebels irregardless that their actions were irrespective to the natives so we should just kill them just because they are spiders and they need the land for the base more than they do.
And I didn't get the Vader theme foreshadowing at the end.
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Hah I thought I was the only one wondering about the pilot. But hey I'm sure pilots are a dime a dozen for the Rebels!
Seriously though that's one of those things about this show. And add in Zeb's music... Would it have been hard to get something that had a Cantina or Laptinek sound to it? No? So 80's bubblegum rock? Ok. ::)
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Hah I thought I was the only one wondering about the pilot. But hey I'm sure pilots are a dime a dozen for the Rebels!
Seriously though that's one of those things about this show. And add in Zeb's music... Would it have been hard to get something that had a Cantina or Laptinek sound to it? No? So 80's bubblegum rock? Ok. ::)
Actually, someone (Hera?) said that the Rebellion was lacking pilots, so I'd think she'd have been more of a priority than Rex.
Oh yeah, forgot about the music. Too much of an Earth feel to it. What would be cool is a Lapti Nek that is the original and Sly Snoodles did a remake.
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Yeah since Lapti Nek is annexed from Star Wars forever, why not sneak it in as a fan wank? I'd have appreciated it. Instead, just a lame scene that ultimately meant nothing.
Anyway, yeah... I was talking to a buddy earlier, and I find I like the little stuff in the show more than the show itself. The mini turrets in Season one, the graffiti and propaganda posters, new ship designs, homages to old EU (even if small), and even just boxes... or the floating forklift box loader things. Or the Yavin Hangar Sled Ladders even.
And I dig Chopper... I'm easy when it comes to Chopper humor. Best design of the show IMO was taking the old R2 design and tacking on an R5-ish head so you had something new and interesting to look at, and the personality has been fun. I really actually enjoyed the episode last week where he just went off to steal something because he's a dick. And I've enjoyed the Droid he picked up from the Empire and that he appears to be sticking with the show, even if in a background capacity.
But next week... Ugh. This guy, again. You're killing me. You're not killing him, ever, apparently, but you're really killing me.
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The non-mystery of Chopper Base. I agree with Zeb, keep those spiders away from me. Convenient they were virtually blaster-proof...even to heavier starship blasters...except the eyes. I was waiting for the spiders to be intelligent and the rebel pilot to be alive anything to subvert the MONSTER OF THE WEEK bit, but no...very large spider-things that even Ezra cannot connect with. Funny their main prey were small snail thingies, they must eat a lot of them to support such a large spider colony.
Yes, who'd sign onto the rebellion knowing their pilots are expendable.
Did they go back for her A-Wing or what?
Dark side music because Ezra doubts the force and wants to make friends with hideous monsters...yeah...that must be it.
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Haven't posted much this season since I typically watch these On-Demand several days after, but I am looking forward to the hour long finale tonight. Saw the Preview clip with Ezra and the "Old Master" chatting...good stuff!
Hoping for some closure this time around that the Clone Wars always failed to deliver.
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Only a fool's hope.
SPOILERS...of course
The double-blade lightsaber helicopter bit...a SITH secret.
The Kylo Ren type saber... proving that Ezra is really Snoke. Or something. Or nothing.
Just who was that 3rd inquisitor?
Why aren't Kanan and Ahsoka allowed to actually kill anyone? If Maul wasn't there, they'd have lost...well, more-so.
Maul constantly surviving makes him the canon version of the EU Boba Fett.
Why did the temple have the voice of Assaj Ventress?
How'd anyone survive that 'spolsion?
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Best...Rebels...EVER! ;D
The SITH to me, are the single most interesting thing about the entire SW universe, so anything to do with them is A Plus material for me. The writers and animators really delivered too...the dueling scenes on the temple exterior were amazing I thought.
While I will always maintain that the whole premise of bringing Maul back is prima facie absurd, there's no question that he's a fascinating character and they use him in interesting ways on the show. WTF was he going to do with a battle station entrenched on a remote planet covered in ice anyway? (hmm...Starkiller base?)
They definitely have no qualms about offing Inquisitors on this show but I guess everyone else is off limits. The death of the Seventh Sister was the best...wiped that cocky smirk right off her little face...and her head for that matter.
The helicopter lightsaber thing was way overdone I thought. That's not how the Force works!
Vader vs Ahsoka was epic if a little short. It was very well choreographed though. It seems clear Vader lacks any sort of speed or dexterity in that hulking suit, so brute force is his only game. Ahsoka totally would have taken him eventually I think. (short of a Force choke or some other sneaky trick) I am going to go ahead and assume they created some kind of force-bubble to shield themselves from the blast because yeah that didn't really make any sense. How are they gonna get off that rock now though? (I forgot, they will just use the Force)
Blind Kanan should be an interesting development. And when does Rex change his name to Nik Sant? :P
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The way they keep bringing back Darth Maul gives me hope that Han Solo will be in Episode VIII. Seriously...he was cut in half and fell into one of the bottomless pits that seem to be everywhere in the Star wars Universe!
I did like the face off between Vader and Asohka...even though I wish she had never been in the Rebels cartoon (I never liked the newer clone wars cartoons because of the Hanna Montana Jedi, also making Anakin Skywalker a Master in the first episode thereby negating his motivations in Revenge of the Sith).
I'm curious to see how Kanan heals from his injuries and curious to see the journey down the dark path the writers have put Ezra on.
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What to say?
The positive thing was the lightsaber duels, and even then I felt cheated. We didn't get to see the death scenes of the two Inquisitors (I know, kids' show). The third fell to his death (supposedly. Didn't see a body so...)
The bad
Double-bladed, spinning, helicopter lightsabers. Worst idea ever. Didn't see the Grand Inquisitor Malfoy/Connington using that. Speaking of the Grand Inquisitor, has anyone replaced the guy or are the rest of the Inquisitors just incompetent and unqualified for the job? Not that the GI was any better: defeated by a Jedi without much practice and a boy discovering his force powers.
More dead Inquisitors. So it took Maul to do to three Inquisitors in a few minutes what Kanan and Ezra couldn't the whole season? So essentially the Inquisitors are going to be killed off at season's end? There's not much to fear in them, is there. I really enjoyed the season two Inquisitors, especially the third one (8th Brother). I liked his helmet design and figured there would be more to his story at the end, a big reveal. But nope, lightsaber got damaged and he tried to flee helicopter-style only to have the lightsaber fail on him. I suppose he should stay dead for that stupidity but if Maul can fall and survive, why can't this guy? Maul's a Sith though. And if Maul meets up with Ezra and Kanan again, Maul should be able to take them both down easily.
Ezra. I can't get into his character. There's nothing likable about him. I wish they would kill him off. The show would be better without him.
Ahsoka's showdown. Would have loved to see more of her duel with Vader, as it was fascinating. Ahsoka's fate is also open: no body, no proof she's dead.
Blind Kanan: The Ear That Sees. That will be an interesting change to his character that I can't wait to see his development.
Inquisitors: I wish that these antagonists would stick around longer. Also, Kanan and Ezra should face different ones through the season and recycle them every now and then. Instead the heroes meet the same ones every time (Small Galaxy Syndrome) which it makes it seem like there aren't many inquisitors around and produced when needed. Also, it would have made sense that the Grand Inquisitor would be directing the others on their missions to kill Jedi and in the final few seasons hunt after Kanan and Ezra personally until he is defeated in the series finale. I'd also lie to see some capable Inquisitors as well. Bring some other Jedi into the story and have them be offed showing how much of a threat the Inquistors are and that the Purge is still ongoing. Heck, they could even have it in the holo-news in the background: "Renegade Jedi Quinlon Vos executed for crimes against the Empire".
Anyways, I liked the show but it can be improved.
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I don't know why, but I wasn't expecting last night's season finale to be an hour long. But I'm glad it was, because getting all of that story into a half hour would have been a major disservice to the story.
Maul proved that he was far more than the feeble "Old Master" in short order. And I like the fact that the 8th Brother Inquisitor had been tasked with finding Maul, aka "The Shadow". It shows that the Inquisitors were not merely focused on Ezra and Kanan, and gave the Inquisitors a broader sense of purpose. I would still very much like to know what happened to Maul in the time between his duel with Sidious on Malachor in CLONE WARS and his reappearance now. But perhaps that's a story for another medium.
Regardless, I really like that Maul started to teach Ezra the Sith Code as they worked their way into the Temple. That alone was one of the numerous story points that made it into this episode that I really appreciated. The fact that they were on Malachor was a big deal, too. Especially if you played the KOTOR games. And the process of lifting the doors with The Force seemed like something straight out of the games. And when Ezra placed the holocron in the Sith obelisk? Call me crazy, but the voice really reminded me of Darth Traya from KOTOR II.
The one thing that drove me crazy? The Inquisitors using their lightsabers to fly like helicopters. That was just too much to swallow. All of that aside? The Inquisitors seemed like a big threat to Kanan, Ezra and Ahsoka. They also served to show just what novices Kanan and Ezra are in their Force powers. When Ahsoka fought both the 5th Brother and 7th Sister, she showed just how powerful she was in comparison to them. But the Inquisitors seem more evenly matched with our relatively untrained Jedi like Kanan and Ezra. And when Maul took them on? He completely outclassed the Inquisitors! His fighting abilities and ruthlessness were so brutal.
I have to say, when Vader turned up it got scary. Because there seemed to be a whole new level of menacing darkness introduced to the situation. I thought that Ezra might not make it out. And it was even more concerning when Kanan got blinded. But when Ahsoka faced off against Vader in the full knowledge of who he really was? That was emotional. I thought that this might be Ahsoka's end. But seeing how we didn't really see that happen on screen? Something tells me that she made it out somehow.
But now Ezra has that Sith holocron. And that seems like it could open a whole new can of worms. With his master, Kanan blinded? I'm wondering how that will play into things. I saw a tweet from Pablo Hidalgo this morning that drew some comparisons between Kanan, Rahm Kota and Zatoichi, a blind wandering Samurai.
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I will have to go back and re-watch but I thought they clearly showed Ahsoka after the shot of Vader...she was going back down into the depths of the Temple or something. Either way, yeah, I am sure she is alive.
Other thing that struck me, granted as a minor quibble, but it seemed highly unlikely to me that there would be any Sith holocrons just lying around in an abandoned temple like that. In the Darth Plagueis novel they make a point to explain how Plagueis had obsessively collected all of the ancient Sith lore, including all of the remaining holocrons not destroyed by Darth Gravid. And Sidious himself was supposedly fascinated by Sith worlds, visiting them repeatedly during his apprenticeship (Dathomir, Korriban, etc). So I don't see how they would have possibly missed this one along the way, given that Malachor's history was well known.
Yeah, I am over-geeking... :D
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I will have to go back and re-watch but I thought they clearly showed Ahsoka after the shot of Vader...she was going back down into the depths of the Temple or something. Either way, yeah, I am sure she is alive.
I thought I saw that too, but it was such a brief shot that it left me wondering.
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I will have to go back and re-watch but I thought they clearly showed Ahsoka after the shot of Vader...she was going back down into the depths of the Temple or something. Either way, yeah, I am sure she is alive.
I thought I saw that too, but it was such a brief shot that it left me wondering.
Now that you say that, I recall see color in the entrance but it fades so fast...
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It seems like I never open or buy an inquisitor toy until after they are dead. Here we go again. :)
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Really enjoyed the finale, particularly the Ahsoka/Vader showdown. There was a lot of stuff going on that really changes things for the characters as well. If you haven't already read it, there is a nice interview with Dave Filoni at IGN.com/tv where he details a lot of what happened. It sounds as if Ahsoka's end was left intentionally ambiguous, whether she was indeed walking into a cave at the end, or that was her walking into "the force". Either way, sounds as if we won't be seeing her for a bit as focus shifts back to the Rebels crew.
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The way they keep bringing back Darth Maul gives me hope that Han Solo will be in Episode VIII. Seriously...he was cut in half and fell into one of the bottomless pits that seem to be everywhere in the Star wars Universe!
I did like the face off between Vader and Asohka...even though I wish she had never been in the Rebels cartoon (I never liked the newer clone wars cartoons because of the Hanna Montana Jedi, also making Anakin Skywalker a Master in the first episode thereby negating his motivations in Revenge of the Sith).
They made Anakin a KNIGHT in the rebels cartoon, so he could have a padawan. He's not a Master. (Original backstory for Ki-Adi Mundi was that he was just a Knight on the Jedi Council, not a Jedi Master, but that got thrown out with ROTS).
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Damn I love this show.
When I first started watching I was a bit skeptical, especially after having watched some of the Clone Wars and thinking that was terrible and not very engaging. The Clone Wars seemed like while trying to tell a story, the characters felt forced, the action forced, and the story forced. (Maybe that was a byproduct of Lucas still having some control/input on things). Anyway, I never finished that series because I thought it was terrible and not interesting at all.
Fast forward to Rebels and I've loved it since the beginning. My wife was laughing a bit at me last night as I watched the last 20-30 minutes because I was totally mesmerized by what was going on. I love the way Rebels brings characters from other series in, the play a part, and then leave while keeping the focus on the main characters. I think that is done to excellent effect.
This weeks episode was one of the best from this series. I did feel a bit as if Maul was a character thrown in for cool factor, and maybe he was, but he played a cool role. However, the dude was cut in half 40 years before this series. Can't he just be dead? Either way...Vader showing up was awesome and the duel was great. I think Ashoka survived and that was her disappearing into the shadows just as Maul had done. I wonder if that will lead to a new story to be told at a later point, or if we are done with that character?
Anyway, I love this show. I wish I didn't have to wait until the next season to see more.
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This episode was awesome. I loved the style of Vader. The duel was well done. Agree with the dislike of the helicopter light sabers. That shot where Vader is landing while on top of the TIE Advanced was incredible.
One quibble that I would have changed... After Ashoka split Vader's helmet, and he calls out to her, he should have called her Snips.
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I don't care for Maul being a turd that won't flush but in general I liked the episode for what it was. And Vader is always epic in it. That JEJ does the voice seems to help that along for me I think. Kanan now Jerec? Same hairstyle. :)
I think it'd be neat to see some of the fallen Jedi or Rahm Kota snuck in for fun.
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Season 3 of Star Wars rebels to be the final season. The final season will set up Rogue One and will make way for another animated series. (http://www.starwarsunderworld.com/2016/04/rumor-star-wars-rebels-to-end-after.html)
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Season 3 of Star Wars rebels to be the final season. The final season will set up Rogue One and will make way for another animated series. (http://www.starwarsunderworld.com/2016/04/rumor-star-wars-rebels-to-end-after.html)
Still just a rumor...for now. :-[
I figured it would be a short run for this show, but I was hoping for at least 1 more season after the next.
Also not sure how they plan to have this lead up to Rogue One when that hits theatres before the tv season is even half over. ???
Give us The Ghost before it's too late, Hasbro!
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Star Wars: Ashoka Tales
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Rewatched the ending - Ahsoka is standing at the mouth of a cave right after we see Vader, so she's still alive at this point.
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If you don't die by falling into a bottomless pit after being cut in half...then no one is dead.
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Rewatched the ending - Ahsoka is standing at the mouth of a cave right after we see Vader, so she's still alive at this point.
Just watched the episode again. I think the fate of Ahsoka is rather ambiguous at the moment. We see her from afar in the mouth of the cave and then she disappears...someone mentioned she descends or it could be she collapses. It's like she falls to her knees and then all the way flat. To me, just from Ezra and the Ghost's crews emotions along with the soundtrack, it seems like a hero's sacrifice.
I guess we'll find out in the next season what happened. If Maul can survive, anyone can.
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She seems to walk into a tunnel entrance - did you see her fall versus walk after the owl scene? I think the rest of the Rebels think she is dead given the base exploded with her in it, which really should have been the death of both her and Vader. ::)
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She either descends into darkness of the temple or falls to her knees and then face plants it. She's too small in the scene to know for certain, but I watched that part a couple times and her movements are "jerky" not smooth in motion... So I guess steps (which we can't see) or death scene, or maybe simply tired?
But yeah, they should be dead in that explosion. Maybe both she and Vader used all their Force powers to create a shield?
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I thought we were seeing a Force ghost of her disappear.
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I thought we were seeing a Force ghost of her disappear.
I would hope that if she died that it would have been obvious and there could be some more meaning behind her death. e.g. she sacrificed herself for Kanan and Ezra, and then when she dies she appears as a force ghost or something.
I only watched it once, but as far as the "explosion of the temple" went - I thought it was more like an electromagnetic pulse, or something that maybe wasn't super destructive. As others have said, if Maul can survive everything he has, then Ahsoka can survive a temple explosion.
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Narratively she is 'dead' to the Rebels cast - if she were literally dead, there would be a body, and as others have stated, dying is a hard thing to do for some of these people. The door has been left wide open - wide enough for her to walk through, which she did - for her to return later down the line. Fiolini has mentioned in a few interviews her story at least in relation to the Rebels series is over, but he's already thought ahead to the future. The ambiguity I suspect is to create some mystery around her next appearance (movies?), and to preserve some of Vader's mystique. We get the fabled fight between master and apprentice that people have forecasted for years as her downfall and we get at least the impression of her not walking away, though, again, she literally walks away.
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Season 2 DVD/Blu-Ray is out today. Anybody see in extra good deals on this?