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Title: 2011 "Vintage" Collection Wave 9
Post by: Scott on February 12, 2011, 03:17 PM
Ponda Baba Bastilla Shan and Echo Base Trooper are all part of this wave...so far :)

Yakface has a shot of the slide (http://www.yakfaceforums.com/gallery/displayimage.php?album=24&pid=1655#top_display_media)

Title: Re: 2011 "Vintage" Collection Wave 9
Post by: darth broem 2 on February 12, 2011, 03:42 PM
Nice! I wish Hasbro would have included carded images to.  Oh well.  Ponda looks great and he has those flipper hands I heard.
Title: Re: 2011 "Vintage" Collection Wave 9
Post by: Jesse James on February 12, 2011, 04:00 PM
Is that ever a nice base for a Luke figure or what?  The helmet isn't looking removable right off the bat though, but it could just be formed around the face more than previous buckets were.
Title: Re: 2011 "Vintage" Collection Wave 9
Post by: Brian on February 12, 2011, 05:34 PM
Nice start to the wave, definitely like that we're getting the Echo Base Trooper.
Title: Re: 2011 "Vintage" Collection Wave 9
Post by: Jeff on February 12, 2011, 05:47 PM
Ponda looks great and he has those flipper hands I heard.

He will come packed with TWO sets of hands - flippers and hands. :)

The Echo Base Trooper is great too - I think JJ must have a huge stiffy with the news that they're cranking out fantastic new RFT, Endor, and Echo Base Dudes in one calendar year.
Title: Re: 2011 "Vintage" Collection Wave 9
Post by: Jesse James on February 12, 2011, 07:33 PM
Yeah if I could just find the Endor guy and these new troops. :)  The Rebels are getting their due...  And don't forget Hoth Troopers, two of them, a short time before...  The Yavin Tech is the only downer really.
Title: Re: 2011 "Vintage" Collection Wave 9
Post by: speedermike on February 12, 2011, 07:39 PM
Jesse, you never found the Endor rebel?
Title: Re: 2011 "Vintage" Collection Wave 9
Post by: EpicGon on February 12, 2011, 07:52 PM
Echo base trooper: the disposition of the pants pockets hide or disimulate the knee ball joints. This is an issue Hasbro will have to achieve on elbow articulation in the near future.

Ponda Baba: Best depiction ever, a more natural stance too.
Title: Re: 2011 "Vintage" Collection Wave 9
Post by: Jesse James on February 12, 2011, 11:45 PM
Jesse, you never found the Endor rebel?

I found some, but nowhere near what I wanted.  I probably would've picked up near 30.  I saw MAYBE 10.  Between he, the Gammie, and Wicket, they were easily the 3 I saw the least out of the wave with Luke pretty close in there.  Wicket I just wanted more of than Luke so he became a pain.  I still don't have as many Endor Rebels and Gammie Guards as I wanted though.  I think everyone's in the boat on the Gammie though.
Title: Re: 2011 "Vintage" Collection Wave 9
Post by: Darby on February 13, 2011, 11:15 AM
The Echo Base Trooper is outstanding and a nice surprise.  I like Ponda a lot, for a figure I wasn't really looking forward to.  I wonder who else will be in this wave?  There's a Sandstorm Leia we're supposed to get at some point, right?
Title: Re: 2011 "Vintage" Collection Wave 9
Post by: Jabba the Slug on February 13, 2011, 08:32 PM
I don't really care for the Echo Base Trooper too much. :-\ I think the Hoth Rebel from TLC was enough.

Bastilla Shan looks really weird... and I was expecting to like this figure a lot, too! The head sculpt is sorta awkward looking, and I wish Hasbro would have slipped in soft goods robes. I wonder how big the plastic bubble will have to be to fit the lightsaber.
Title: Re: 2011 "Vintage" Collection Wave 9
Post by: Jesse James on February 13, 2011, 09:30 PM
I don't really care for the Echo Base Trooper too much. :-\ I think the Hoth Rebel from TLC was enough.

Other than they're not the same character though.  Different uniforms entirely.

I'm a tad miffed his hat isn't removable though.  At least I'm betting it won't be.  It  looks way too snug in the presentation images. 

Like I said though, he looks like a decent starting place for a Hoth Luke with some different legs to shorten him a bit, and a new headsculpt.  I'm really excited to pick this guy up though so there's some officers to boss around the grunts, who didn't pegwarm here at all anyway...  To me, this is win-win.  I'd buy more of the Legacy rebel if I could, and now this guy will at least help fill up the Hoth ranks some.
Title: Re: 2011 "Vintage" Collection Wave 9
Post by: Scott on February 14, 2011, 07:34 AM
(http://www.jedidefender.com/gallery/files/gallery/Conventions/Toy_Fair_2011/Hasbro_Star_Wars/Collector_Presentation/Slide22.JPG)

Agree that the head wrap doesn't look removable...the likeness seems a little odd though too.  Here's hoping 2012 brings us a new Hoth Luke

Ponda looks badass and is a long awaited needed update
Title: Re: 2011 "Vintage" Collection Wave 9
Post by: Darth_Anton on February 14, 2011, 09:27 AM
Always happy to have another "vintage" update knocked off the list once and for all without debate. Should go without saying that him and Panda are outstanding.
Title: Re: 2011 "Vintage" Collection Wave 9
Post by: JACKOFTRADZE on February 14, 2011, 11:58 AM
They actually made Ponda Baba look cool and he does not look like he sports a 70's Muppet mask. I cannot wait to see the rest of this wave. I am assuming the Sandstorm Leia is part of this wave since they confirmed Revenge cards are part of this wave.

According to Jediinsider Ponda Boba with come with 2 sets of hands. Human and Hoof and removable arm.

That will ROCK!
Title: Re: 2011 "Vintage" Collection Wave 9
Post by: Jesse James on February 14, 2011, 04:10 PM
According to us too, via our front page coverage from the presentation.   :-\
Title: Re: 2011 "Vintage" Collection Wave 9
Post by: JACKOFTRADZE on February 14, 2011, 04:47 PM
According to us too, via our front page coverage from the presentation.   :-\

Sorry I missed it.
Title: Re: 2011 "Vintage" Collection Wave 9
Post by: Jesse James on February 14, 2011, 04:50 PM
 ;D
Title: Re: 2011 "Vintage" Collection Wave 9
Post by: Matt R. on February 14, 2011, 11:35 PM
that 2 vintage figures knock off the list (edited- I am talking about the deck officer and kitaba from wave 8)
Title: Re: 2011 "Vintage" Collection Wave 9
Post by: Scockery on April 13, 2011, 02:26 AM
So the latest rumor is Darth Maul, Jar Jar Binks and R2-A5 being the second half of this wave.

R2-A5 is the Mos Eisley astromech droid that was removed from ANH and replaced by a Ronto's leg that looked bad.

I guess that's what they meant by deleted scene figures. I just hope they make original edition Sy Snootles so some folks can eat space-crow.  ;)
Title: Re: 2011 "Vintage" Collection Wave 9
Post by: Nicklab on April 13, 2011, 11:14 PM
When I read this rumor list I had to go back and do some research.  Because I could've sworn that R2-A5 had been covered in the EE exclusive Astromech 5-packs.  Much to my chagrin, I was mistaken.  I'm glad to see Hasbro taking on this particular R2 unit, even if it ammounts to a glorified repaint.  Astromechs may not be as common in the line these days.  But they're like Clone Troopers - an existing sculpt/tool that Hasbro can apply some different paint apps to, and voila!  New figure!

Darth Maul?  It's certainly not a surprise that Hasbro would touch on him.  He's a popular character.  Will it be the kind of Darth Maul collectors want?  That's debatable.  Because I could see this offering being a slightly different offering of the Evolutions Maul on a TVC card, and the selling point would be "It's the first Darth Maul on a vintage card".  But with TPM coming out in 3D next year, I could see Hasbro getting more of Darth Maul to market.  Perhaps a kid focused one, and then a collector focused one.  Perhaps my cynicism on resculpts of main characters is showing, but Hasbro has had quite a track record of doing this with SO many main characters that I refuse to be surprised by that sort of thing any more.

Jar Jar?  This is one that I am genuinely surprised to see on a 2011 rumor list.  Perhaps it will be part of some sort of TPM preview wave?  We haven't seen anything like that since early 2005, and maybe it's an idea Hasbro would like to revisit.

As for hopes for a theatrical version of Sy Snootles?  Hey, you can definitely be hopeful, scockery.  My own optimism for that is low.  And this is coming from someone who thinks the new "Jedi Rocks" musical number sucks, and that "Laptinek" was much better musically, and fit the Jabba's Palace scenes much better.  I think since there have been some changes at the Hasbro Star Wars team I have lower expectations from some of the marketing folks in that group.  And they're some of the ones that help steer character choices for the line.
Title: Re: 2011 "Vintage" Collection Wave 9
Post by: Scockery on April 14, 2011, 12:40 AM
Sy Snootles probably wouldn't make my top 20 list of most wanted figures, actually.

The mention of deleted scene figures doesn't cover a whole lot of ground (remaining  ROTJ sandstorm characters), unless there's some scenes no one knows about. I'm thinking original Sy has a better chance, then say the Amidala family from AOTC.

Title: Re: 2011 "Vintage" Collection Wave 9
Post by: Nicklab on April 14, 2011, 01:28 AM
If you thought Bail Organa and Breha Organa were pegwarmers, imagine what the Naberrie family would be!  That would be nothing short of a disaster.
Title: Re: 2011 "Vintage" Collection Wave 9
Post by: Jimree on April 14, 2011, 01:42 AM
I can't wait for Bastila Shan, bring on the Old Republic
Title: Re: 2011 "Vintage" Collection Wave 9
Post by: Darth_Anton on April 14, 2011, 09:01 AM
It's interesting. I have no interest in picking up any of the EU figures, but just yesterday, my buddy, who could care less about SW figures, happened to see a picture of the Bastila Shan figure and asked me to pick one up for him when I see it.
Title: Re: 2011 "Vintage" Collection Wave 9
Post by: Hobbie on April 14, 2011, 11:20 PM
I am *really* happy they're getting around to making R2-A5. It always bothered me that they deleted an entire character in the SE.

(http://astromech.net/gallery2/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=8842&g2_serialNumber=1&g2_GALLERYSID=fff13297e91e6e770defbbfdaa1af8a4)

My most wanted Mos Eisley droid now has to be the R2 unit with the black dome w/blue panels that is seen cruising by 3PO while he waits outside the cantina.  Another pretty unique look that would make a great figure!

(http://astromech.net/gallery2/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=6846&g2_serialNumber=4&g2_GALLERYSID=fff13297e91e6e770defbbfdaa1af8a4)
Title: Re: 2011 "Vintage" Collection Wave 9
Post by: Siths Herald on May 2, 2011, 07:51 AM
I noticed the threads jumped from Wave 7 to Wave 9.  What is Wave 8?  Did I miss that thread?  Who's in it?
Title: Re: 2011 "Vintage" Collection Wave 9
Post by: Jayson on May 2, 2011, 09:32 AM
I noticed the threads jumped from Wave 7 to Wave 9.  What is Wave 8?  Did I miss that thread?  Who's in it?

Wave 8 (http://www.jedidefender.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=21336.msg501073#msg501073)

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Final Line-Up is:
Kithaba
Dr Evazan
Aayla Secura
Nom Anor
501st Clone Trooper
Title: Re: 2011 "Vintage" Collection Wave 9 (or is it 10 now?)
Post by: Jeff on July 6, 2011, 03:54 PM
More new pics:

(http://www.jedidefender.com/news/images/07-11/pondababa.JPG)(http://www.jedidefender.com/news/images/07-11/pondababa_loose.JPG)
(http://www.jedidefender.com/news/images/07-11/rebelsoldier.JPG)(http://www.jedidefender.com/news/images/07-11/rebelsoldier_loose.JPG)
Title: Re: 2011 "Vintage" Collection Wave 9 (or is it 10 now?)
Post by: shmashwitdaclub on July 6, 2011, 04:13 PM
Incredible!
Title: Re: 2011 "Vintage" Collection Wave 9 (or is it 10 now?)
Post by: Scockery on July 6, 2011, 05:14 PM
They went the extra mile on Ponda's accessories. But skimped a bit on the Rebel's gear. No biggie, though.

Never knew or realized Ponda's hooved hands had fingers. He'll be a good figure to buy for his extra hands, if you have some figures missing hands...ha...

Ponda's shoulders are uneven looking due to the swappable feature. Not horribly so to me, though.
Title: Re: 2011 "Vintage" Collection Wave 9 (or is it 10 now?)
Post by: Matt on July 6, 2011, 06:04 PM
Anybody ever see what Adywan did with the dismemberment scene?  Kind of interesting. 

(http://i.imgur.com/rOEE7.jpg)

That it was Walrusman's arm never made sense to me when it was the doc who pulled out the blaster.
Title: Re: 2011 "Vintage" Collection Wave 9 (or is it 10 now?)
Post by: Matt R. on July 6, 2011, 06:58 PM
I hope those boba fett stickers are easy to remove
Title: Re: 2011 "Vintage" Collection Wave 9 (or is it 10 now?)
Post by: darth broem 2 on July 6, 2011, 08:18 PM
I hope those boba fett stickers are easy to remove

Yeah really.  I hate the damn stickers. 
Title: Re: 2011 "Vintage" Collection Wave 9 (or is it 10 now?)
Post by: Brian on July 6, 2011, 08:55 PM
Those both look really nice, looking forward to the rest of the year.  Hopefully we'll get a preview at SDCC how this will continue in 2012.
Title: Re: 2011 "Vintage" Collection Wave 9 (or is it 10 now?)
Post by: Jesse James on July 6, 2011, 11:36 PM
These are the kind of figures that make me do some mental toy wanking.

The Echo Base Trooper is so long overdue and wraps up (neatly) the Vintage figure...  I love it.  I'm bummed the hat isn't removable given how many sculpts of the hat they have not, but I'll live on that.  I'll do some head swaps and remvoable hats on my own at some point.

Ponda...  What can you say?  He falls in the "above and beyond".  At $9 a pop I kind of expect that level of quality but not every figure gets it.  The Fleet Trooper did (more or less), Gammie Guard, Capt. Fordo...  But Ponda is right there with them in that category.

I don't look at the line as really feeling like it's been a value since it went up to $9, and certainly not a value at all at $10...  But these figures at least come really close to making the sting of the price a little less.  I'd still take a decrease in a heartbeat, but Ponda Baba is all kinds of awesomeness.
Title: Re: 2011 "Vintage" Collection Wave 9 (or is it 10 now?)
Post by: Darth_Anton on July 7, 2011, 08:44 AM
These are the kind of figures that make me do some mental toy wanking.


You've just ruined the hobby for me forever.  :-X


Seriously though, I hope to see these one day. The way things are going, I'm not sure the line will be around.
Title: Re: 2011 "Vintage" Collection Wave 9 (or is it 10 now?)
Post by: Sybeck1 on July 7, 2011, 12:21 PM
I guess I am getting my waves confused. Wasn't Evazan to come out before Walrusman?
Title: Re: 2011 "Vintage" Collection Wave 9 (or is it 10 now?)
Post by: EpicGon on July 7, 2011, 01:26 PM
This evolution of the Rebel Soldier Deck Officer must anticipate a new depiction of the vests, a more detailed job on them as they include squares, badges, the collar of the cloth coiled. Indeed Luke from Hoth would need another depiction of his beige vest, but this indicate Hasbro has marked a new concept on their tendency for clothes depiction. The gloves and their bracelets are more marked, another layer in relief that rises over the shirt layer (at arms level)
Title: Re: 2011 "Vintage" Collection Wave 9 (or is it 10 now?)
Post by: jono on July 8, 2011, 05:02 AM
I wonder what the reason for bumping this wave forward is -could be production of course -but could also be because they are going to be offering Walrus man on his true vintage card as a con exclusive.

 Also two new figures in the wave highly unlikely! -i expect con reveals of Maul and Binks to bulk out this wave, along with Bastilla.

 One more thing- i remember a podcast with De Priest were he refered to Ponda and Evazan and said something like "Y'know those two should really be together in the same wave"  -given that we had changes and delays to wave 9 i'm thinking Ponda's partener in crime could be joining him at the bar sooner than expected.

Also i knowi don't post very much but i live in england... we don't see many vintage figures. :)
Title: Re: 2011 "Vintage" Collection Wave 9 (or is it 10 now?)
Post by: Jabba the Slug on July 10, 2011, 04:01 AM
Dang, I wasn't even planning to pick up Walrus Face, but after seeing the whole deal I just might skimp on this figure... I couldn't help but notice, though, that the 2-piece right arm looks slightly long... no doubt a result from the removable arm feature.
Title: Re: 2011 "Vintage" Collection Wave 9 (or is it 10 now?)
Post by: Jesse James on July 11, 2011, 02:31 AM
Anybody ever see what Adywan did with the dismemberment scene?  Kind of interesting. 

(http://i.imgur.com/rOEE7.jpg)

That it was Walrusman's arm never made sense to me when it was the doc who pulled out the blaster.

In all the hooplah I missed your post, but that's pretty cool Matt.  I'm kind of in the mindset that the confusion with the scene implied that they both at least could have pulled a gun, but Evazan's is just more clear.

I like the flipper hand replacement myself...  I'd dig seeing that, but now that Walrusman is Spiderman (In Lucas' f'd up thought-process that I guess Ponda Baba didn't look good in the original movie) I guess the flipper hand isn't likely.
Title: Re: 2011 "Vintage" Collection Wave 9 (or is it 10 now?)
Post by: Scockery on July 11, 2011, 10:14 PM
Going by the Po Nudo figure, prequel Aqualish have completely different hands than either set Ponda has, two big fingers and a thumb.
Title: Re: 2011 "Vintage" Collection Wave 9 (or is it 10 now?)
Post by: snakeeyes0217 on July 12, 2011, 10:21 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/rOEE7.jpg)
That it was Walrusman's arm never made sense to me when it was the doc who pulled out the blaster.

I always thought the furry hand was okay as it mimicked the fur below his tusks on his face. But isn't the other version of his hand supposed to be some kind of aquatic flipper? I'm actually kind of torn how to display him now.
Title: Re: 2011 "Vintage" Collection Wave 9 (or is it 10 now?)
Post by: JACKOFTRADZE on July 12, 2011, 12:28 PM
Time to lay down some nerdiness to clear the confuson. There are three different species of Aqualish the Quara, Ualaq and Aquala. Ponda is a Quara, Aquala's have the flipper hands. The prequel more spider thingy "Ualaqs" are genetic mutations and the Quara are as well. Both of those offshoots make only 10% of the Aqualish population. The flipper hand Aqualish are the most prominent of the species.

Duh!
Title: Re: 2011 "Vintage" Collection Wave 9 (or is it 10 now?)
Post by: warinthefloor on July 13, 2011, 09:44 AM
sort of like flipper handed humans making up a small mutant sample of our population
Title: Re: 2011 "Vintage" Collection Wave 9 (or is it 10 now?)
Post by: Jesse James on July 13, 2011, 01:58 PM
I've read the "mutation" thing.  To me I look at it more like separate races than mutations...  Like black/white/Asian/Latino on Earth, it's just physical differences of the same species and more widespread than mutations.

That's just been my take anyway...  I still could easily see Lucas add eyes to Ponda in a future edition of the movies, haha.
Title: Re: 2011 "Vintage" Collection Wave 9 (or is it 10 now?)
Post by: Jeff on July 15, 2011, 12:22 PM
I've read the "mutation" thing.  To me I look at it more like separate races than mutations... 

Sort of like Duros/Niemoidian deal I guess...  I don't care if Lucas thinks they should be the "same" race, they'll always be different in my mind.  Same goes for the Aqualish/Spiderlish.  ;)
Title: Re: 2011 "Vintage" Collection Wave 9 (or is it 10 now?)
Post by: Jesse James on July 15, 2011, 01:32 PM
The Duros/Neimoidian thing I just never even acknowledged.  I just figured they're two different species all together from different planets and Lucas can eat it on that one too.

To me those two don't even look close to one another.

Has there ever been a technical reason given as to why the prequal aliens were so different?  Was it because he really just felt that the PT mask looked better than its OT origin?  I can't think of too many aliens that weren't changed between the two trilogies.
Title: Re: 2011 "Vintage" Collection Wave 9 (or is it 10 now?)
Post by: Jeff on July 18, 2011, 03:28 PM
Up for pre-order at EE (http://www.entertainmentearth.com/prodinfo.asp?number=HS97568J&id=HA-807301583):

It looks like three new figures and more of the "Revenge" variants...
1x VC08 Darth Vader
1x VC22 Ackbar (Revenge)
1x VC23 Jedi Luke Skywalker
1x VC27 Wicket (Revenge)
1x VC34 Jango Fett
1x VC39 Luke Skywalker (Ep IV)
1x VC52 Rebel Fleet Trooper (Ep IV)
1x VC55 Logray (Ep VI)
1x VC63 Keyan Farlander (ROTJ)
1x VC68 Echo Base Trooper
1x VC69 Bastila Shan (Knights of the Old Republic)
1x VC70 Ponda Boba (Walrus Man)
Title: Re: 2011 "Vintage" Collection Wave 9 (or is it 10 now?)
Post by: Scott on July 18, 2011, 03:49 PM
Eek...that SUCKS for a case ratio
Title: Re: 2011 "Vintage" Collection Wave 9 (or is it 10 now?)
Post by: Matt R. on July 18, 2011, 04:00 PM
lame, only three new figures :-\  At least no Sandtroopers or EP3 Clones
Title: Re: 2011 "Vintage" Collection Wave 9 (or is it 10 now?)
Post by: Pete_Fett on July 18, 2011, 04:22 PM
Well - at least it shows that the insanity will continue...

I think Hasbro wants this line to "die".

Seriously, they couldn't just put 2x of the three new figures in this case and mix in the rest?
Title: Re: 2011 "Vintage" Collection Wave 9 (or is it 10 now?)
Post by: Jesse James on July 18, 2011, 04:23 PM
I guess this is to somehow fix distribution woes at retail?

 ???
Title: Re: 2011 "Vintage" Collection Wave 9 (or is it 10 now?)
Post by: McMetal on July 18, 2011, 04:23 PM
Thank God there's no Wedges or Gammoreans in that case, I am sick of seeing those incessant pegwarmers!

Way to go, Hasbro.
Title: Re: 2011 "Vintage" Collection Wave 9 (or is it 10 now?)
Post by: Pete_Fett on July 18, 2011, 04:25 PM
Thank God there's no Wedges or Gammoreans in that case, I am sick of seeing those incessant pegwarmers!

Way to go, Hasbro.

Totally! Some poor schlub on eBay was trying to sell his extra Vintage Wedge figures and he didn't even get $1 for them! Can you believe it!  ::)

Absolutely ridiculous.
Title: Re: 2011 "Vintage" Collection Wave 9 (or is it 10 now?)
Post by: Ryan on July 18, 2011, 05:07 PM
Three new figures packed one each in a new wave... Genius. ::)

I think the saddest part of this is that none of the repacks in this wave were ever very prevalent around here in Denver. Sure Wedge, the Gammorean, would definitely have been better choices for the wave, but really I haven't seen most of those figure more than once or twice, if at all. I have yet to see Wave 7, I saw maybe one or two stores that had Wave 4, and the Jango figures seemed to go quick so I only ever saw a few. I never saw Wicket, Ackbar hung around the most but he wasn't that easy to find, but it's not like there is demand for more of him so soon. Vader was the worst pegwarmer out of the lot but he has cleared out around here. The Luke figures I've seen occasionally but really not that often.

I think it really just goes to show what a ****** state brick and mortar retail is in these days. Almost anything that isn't Dengar, 4-LOM, a Cloud Car Pilot, Obi-Wan or Anakin is appealing... If only because the complete lack of any new product for the last eight months to a year. And yet if this case ships in large numbers at all (which given the state of things I do kind of doubt) I'd be willing to bet that in another eight months to a year I'll be excited to see anything other than Keyan Farlander, Ackbar. Both of who I could foresee joining 4-LOM and Dengar at Targets everywhere for months and months to come.
Title: Re: 2011 "Vintage" Collection Wave 9 (or is it 10 now?)
Post by: Matt R. on July 18, 2011, 05:56 PM
just like the the SW battle packs, first they had 5 figures, then had 4, and finally has only 3 figures in them. It feels like basic figures are getting new figures cut to 3 per wave.
Title: Re: 2011 "Vintage" Collection Wave 9 (or is it 10 now?)
Post by: Darby on July 18, 2011, 07:03 PM
No ordering cases for me.

There has to be something going on with the line, in terms of figures getting moved around and this massive and to be honest a little nonsensical Revenge promotion.  Either Hasbro is backloading everything to the TPM 3D release, or this way lies doom.
Title: Re: 2011 "Vintage" Collection Wave 9 (or is it 10 now?)
Post by: Diddly on July 18, 2011, 07:12 PM
Well, the case ratio sucks but honestly the only stinker is Vader... like Ryan said, none of those figures were really easy to find in the first place. I've only seen Waves 3, 5 and 6 twice each, and I still have yet to see Wave 4.

But yeah, something smells fishy here, and I doubt we're going to get any answers at SDCC.
Title: Re: 2011 "Vintage" Collection Wave 9 (or is it 10 now?)
Post by: Matt R. on July 18, 2011, 07:34 PM
Revenge was kinda cool at first, then when you think about it, its also dumb, favoritely repacks over new products and also not repacking the most wanted ROTJ figure ! Whoever decides the distribution of figures, I want to know what drugs their taking.
Title: Re: 2011 "Vintage" Collection Wave 9 (or is it 10 now?)
Post by: JACKOFTRADZE on July 18, 2011, 09:49 PM
Revenge was kinda cool at first, then when you think about it, its also dumb, favoritely repacks over new products and also not repacking the most wanted ROTJ figure ! Whoever decides the distribution of figures, I want to know what drugs their taking.

Add the people who select case pack ratios to that test. (They must have hired a lot of Mattel people who worked on the MOTU 200x series) As a buyer of multiple cases for each wave who accepts the 4-6 repacks (sometimes the extras are useful) this Wave 9 case is absurd. 3 new figures, really?

The Revenge theme was a nice as 1 time case gimmick to add figures to the line. I really like the updated Endor Rebel but to stretch it out is nonsense. On top of that I am surprised that Gammorrean Guard and Han Bespin are not being repacked for those that are seeking multiples, they are both in high demad. I hope this case breakdown changes. DDP mentioned that they are retooling case packs, I hope this is not the end result. Hopefully SDCC will shed light on WTF is going on. I am not into nay saying but I admit my resolve is waning, are they trying to kill this line?
Title: Re: 2011 "Vintage" Collection Wave 9 (or is it 10 now?)
Post by: Jeff on July 19, 2011, 10:44 AM
On top of that I am surprised that Gammorrean Guard and Han Bespin are not being repacked for those that are seeking multiples,

I'm not sure of their excuse on the Gamorrean (other than he is probably a higher cost figure), but I know that Revenge Endor Han is what is torpedoing Bespin Han.  Since Hasbro views Han as a B-lister, ther is no way they are going to ship more than one Han in a case. 

As for the assortment, yeah it seems pretty strange.  At Toy Fair, they said things would go:
Wave 8: Evazan, NomAnor, 501st, Kithaba, Aayla
Wave 9: Echo Base, Ponda, Bastilla and then the "Revenge" variants would be sprinkled into the cases so folks didn't have to buy the SDCC Mega-set. 

They also said that there was a chance a few more figures would make it into Wave 9, but they wouldn't commit to that (which is why they did not show them - they didn't want to get our hopes up).  From the case assortment above, it looks like those extra figures didn't make it.   :-\

Obviously, something else has happened and things got a bit out of order...  it sure looks like some of the "Revenge" repack/revision cases are going to hit first, followed by "Wave 9" and then what should have been "Wave 8" is MIA at the moment. 

Hopefully things will be cleared up for us at SDCC...  but who knows?

Title: Re: 2011 "Vintage" Collection Wave 9
Post by: Sybeck1 on July 19, 2011, 11:29 AM
The slide show at Toyfair said 35 new figures in 2011, with deleted scenes figures this fall. Not shaping up that way, and you have to wonder what has happened in these 5 months since Toyfair.
Title: Re: 2011 "Vintage" Collection Wave 9
Post by: Adam_Pawlus on July 19, 2011, 12:49 PM
The slide show at Toyfair said 35 new figures in 2011, with deleted scenes figures this fall. Not shaping up that way, and you have to wonder what has happened in these 5 months since Toyfair.

I forget-- new SINCE Toy Fair or new for 2011 period?  Because Hasbro's shipped 29 figures in Vintage so far this year, counting repacks, 27 were new or had some modifications.

Since Toy Fair they've shipped 16, and most years tend to squeeze the bulk of new product between September and December lately (2007 and 2009 being great examples).  So they could crank out another 20 in that time frame, or... not.  I'm mostly surprised they don't just throw in more repacks to cash in for demand on existing characters.

2011 has been extremely poor for Hasbro toy distribution-- Transformers (5 un[der]shipped waves of Reveal the Shield toys, 3 waves of Power Core Combiners) and Iron Man 2 (2 waves) resulted in numerous items having never hit big retailers or, by some indication, anywhere in the USA outside online or closeout stores.  (It seems most if not all Star Wars has hit, just not in sufficient quantities as of yet.)   G.I. Joe has been weak too but that seems like more of an issue of retailers not ordering enough [just some], whereas I can't tell what happened with TF and IM.

If the poor distribution is due to their emphasizing the Big Movie Toys over the brands which perform well-- Thor over Star Wars, or what have you-- that'd explain a lot.  Meaning next year should be good for us, or at least next Spring, when we're all probably going to see a ton of Phantom Menace stuff that we wouldn't buy for $.10 on the dollar on eBay right now.
Title: Re: 2011 "Vintage" Collection Wave 9
Post by: JACKOFTRADZE on July 19, 2011, 03:00 PM
If the poor distribution is due to their emphasizing the Big Movie Toys over the brands which perform well-- Thor over Star Wars, or what have you-- that'd explain a lot.  Meaning next year should be good for us, or at least next Spring, when we're all probably going to see a ton of Phantom Menace stuff that we wouldn't buy for $.10 on the dollar on eBay right now.

I think you nailed the main source of the problem.  Some of the same guys work on the lines mentioned and some of the same factories are used on some of the stuff so it could be a capacity issue.
Title: Re: 2011 "Vintage" Collection Wave 9
Post by: Adam_Pawlus on July 19, 2011, 03:29 PM
If the poor distribution is due to their emphasizing the Big Movie Toys over the brands which perform well-- Thor over Star Wars, or what have you-- that'd explain a lot.  Meaning next year should be good for us, or at least next Spring, when we're all probably going to see a ton of Phantom Menace stuff that we wouldn't buy for $.10 on the dollar on eBay right now.

I think you nailed the main source of the problem.  Some of the same guys work on the lines mentioned and some of the same factories are used on some of the stuff so it could be a capacity issue.

COULD be but I can't believe it's everything.  There was an Iron Man "Movie Assortment" and a "Comic Assortment" (early 2011 and late 2010, respectively) that didn't get ANY distribution at brick and mortar retail outside some of the comic figures hitting grocery stores, so far as I can tell.  In many of the Transformers distribution cases, the product exists and just didn't hit until it got dumped at Ross/Maxx/etc. 5-6 months after it started shipping to online retailers, Australia, Canada, the UK, etc.

It doesn't ultimately add up.  Capacity or no, the development was done, tooling has been made, and the past 9 or so months is not consistent with Hasbro's behavior.  (I think the last time anything similar to this-- at this level-- happened was the Temple of Doom wave of Indy figures.)  I mean, we can speculate, but unless all the top retailers collectively told Hasbro to get stuffed-- which with new Transformers product seems damn near impossible-- there's gotta be a story behind this.  The product exists, it's not like Hasbro cut their runs down to 5,000 pieces or anything.  It's not impossible to think that we're going to see a glut of formerly rare figures dumped somewhere in the next 12 months either... which still wouldn't explain the retail snub of many great items.  This was brought up at BotCon this year and got something of a non-answer.  ("We're trying to find a home for these items" was, I believe, the answer given despite the fact the items had been shipping online and overseas for months.)
Title: Re: 2011 "Vintage" Collection Wave 9
Post by: CHEWIE on July 19, 2011, 04:34 PM
The case ratio problem isn't just Star Wars - Iron Man, Thor and Captain America also suck.  The people responsible at Hasbro for these ridiculous case assortments should be on the hot seat, or replaced.  There is simply no excuse for it to be this bad. 
Title: Re: 2011 "Vintage" Collection Wave 9
Post by: Adam_Pawlus on July 19, 2011, 05:38 PM
The case ratio problem isn't just Star Wars - Iron Man, Thor and Captain America also suck.  The people responsible at Hasbro for these ridiculous case assortments should be on the hot seat, or replaced.  There is simply no excuse for it to be this bad.

The mixes are definitely not great.   Iron Man was actually quite good in spots-- usually they doubled-up on the new guys and while it was still like 10-11 figures Iron Man by volume, 50% or so was "new."  (The last comic case with Ming, and the 2011 new-packaging asst were pretty heavy.)  50% is, I think, fair on a mass-market kid line.  The one that kills me the most is the kid-driven 3 3/4-inch Spider-Man-- great line, quality fun figures, and good effing luck if you want a newish villain.  Monster Claw Carnage took me months to even SEE, and I still haven't seen Lizard or Scorpion in person.  So those'll be expensive in five years maybe.

...followers of Transformers may note Target's recent exclusive assortment of translucent figures.  The ratio of 4 figures in an 8-piece case is 4:2:1:1, which is shaping up to be quite interesting.  Sometimes Hasbro totally nails the needs of kids and new collectors, like the abundant Darth Vaders and Boba Fetts in 2010's early TVC cases, I really do get a kick out of watching this stuff to find out how (and when/if) it works.  I personally would prefer 100% new stuff in every case after, let's say, 45 days but that'd probably hurt Hasbro's bottom line and turn of young fans who don't have birthdays during the release window.   As collectors go, I'm not sure how we're doing as to our Next Generation of fans.  It seems Clone Wars is picking up serious heat on the secondary market, which, maybe, is a good sign.  I have no idea, as a group we've become increasingly splintered between our requests as fans and the sheer number of outlets for discussion and news.

Generally inside two months I see Star Wars stuff around-- I still haven't seen Vintage Wave 7 in full (most of it) in the wild or Wedge, but I've seen all of Clone Wars and every vehicle save the Y-Wing Scout Bomber (which I got elsewhere, woo.)  I don't think I ever saw single Thi-Sens in the wild but at least Hasbro made good and reissued it in a Battle Pack. 

I'm kinda surprised to see more of TVC waves 4, 5, and 6 continuing to ship, given those were January/February items.  Don't get me wrong, I *like* seeing stuff shipping as long as the interest is there, it just seems very out-of-character that any figure get this kind of lifespan at retail.  Unless it's Malakili, in which case it is expected.
Title: Re: 2011 "Vintage" Collection Wave 9
Post by: Scott on July 19, 2011, 05:51 PM
Missing from this whole repacking arguement is the existence of the line one or two pegs over which is supposed to cater to kids and grandmoms who are still looking for their Vaders and Lukes.  I thought that was the whole point of having three lines...Legends was to fund the super articulated collector line with smaller sales.  Instead they've turned it into Legends 2.0 the crappy edition
Title: Re: 2011 "Vintage" Collection Wave 9
Post by: Pete_Fett on July 19, 2011, 08:01 PM
Missing from this whole repacking arguement is the existence of the line one or two pegs over which is supposed to cater to kids and grandmoms who are still looking for their Vaders and Lukes.  I thought that was the whole point of having three lines...Legends was to fund the super articulated collector line with smaller sales.  Instead they've turned it into Legends 2.0 the crappy edition

Precisely - which is why having waves made up entirely of the new figures packed at more than 1-per case would be something that the Vintage line should easily be able to accomodate. Contrary to what the brick-and-mortar stores say they "want", Hasbro needs to pack these cases with the COLLECTOR in mind. And a collector will have already acquired every repack figure that they want prior to the release of this lousy case assortment.

If you have Darth Vader, Boba Fett and a Stormtrooper (all three of which were already covered in the original VOTC line) in the Legends assortments, then you don't need them in the Vintage line. PERIOD

If you have a ROTS Clonetrooper in the Vintage line, then certainly DO NOT make that same version of the Clone part of the Legends line - the existence of the two versions (and one being cheaper) will just errode the sales of the more expensive version. (Combine that with fact you use sub-standard plastic for the helmet and you end up with the FIRST peg warming army builder)

How about also pulling back on the Obi-Wan Kenobi love-fest too? Why is the AOTC Obi-Wan, which is a re-release from the Legacy Collection, shipping so many times in so many cases - especially when there is a ROTS Obi-Wan shipping in the Legends line. To make matters worse, they put ROTS Obi-Wan in the Vintage line too!

They need to start seeking help on case assortments from people other than Marketing "experts", business managers, bean-counters and lawyers.

Title: Re: 2011 "Vintage" Collection Wave 9
Post by: CHEWIE on July 19, 2011, 09:08 PM
If you have a ROTS Clonetrooper in the Vintage line, then certainly DO NOT make that same version of the Clone part of the Legends line - the existence of the two versions (and one being cheaper) will just errode the sales of the more expensive version. (Combine that with fact you use sub-standard plastic for the helmet and you end up with the FIRST peg warming army builder)

I think it goes way beyond the helmet being yellow on most of them - the entire figure is a freaking mess.  It looks like a drunk chubby guy... so awkward looking.  Hasbro should have held out until the VC #45  mold was ready, and used a smaller/more detailed helmet... kinda like this:

(http://www.yakfaceforums.com/Chewie/032011clonecompare3.jpg)

A better mold for the body, a more accurate sculpted helmet without yellowing and also not having the Legends one out at the same time would have solved the problem.  They could have produced the living hell out of the "proposed" figure above and sales would have met their expectations for the figure.
Title: Re: 2011 "Vintage" Collection Wave 9
Post by: Scockery on July 19, 2011, 10:37 PM
  (Combine that with fact you use sub-standard plastic for the helmet and you end up with the FIRST peg warming army builder)

Someone forgot about the Nemoidian Soldier from ROTS and the Naboo Trooper from 2006's Saga collection.  Actually, over the years some Legends releases, including stormtroopers, scout troopers and clone trooper have pegwarmed, though, those were rereleases.
Title: Re: 2011 "Vintage" Collection Wave 9
Post by: Pete_Fett on July 20, 2011, 08:03 AM
Someone forgot about the Nemoidian Soldier from ROTS and the Naboo Trooper from 2006's Saga collection.  Actually, over the years some Legends releases, including stormtroopers, scout troopers and clone trooper have pegwarmed, though, those were rereleases.

I guess it really comes down to your definition of army builder. Since you never see either of those types of troopers in quantities on the level you see Clonetroopers, Battledroids, Stormtroopers, etc... sure there is some small squad building potential with them, but full on army building? No way. Never mind the fact that you never really see them DOING anything of importance in the movies.

Even the Stormtrooper in the Vintage line isn't hanging around as badly as this ROTS clone is. There is a WalMart I frequent that has two full pegs of this guy. After that, they have about 2/3 of a peg full of the AOTC Obi-Wan figure and that's it for Vintage. So unless you want Obi-Wan or this horrible looking Clonetrooper, you're S.O.L.

I have a Target near me that has SIX of the ROTS Clonetroopers on the pegs and that's it and the reason they don't get any more it seems (as others have theorized, including myself) some stores only get in another case when their stock drops below a certain point and most likely 6 figures is that threshold.

So again, this ties back into the carry-forward figures being a detriment to ANY collector focused line. If the figure wasn't a strong seller in a wave to begin with and then for some stupid reason, they continue to put that figure over and over again into follow-on assortments, the problem only compounds itself.

The Sandtrooper is another great example of this - he's a nice figure and I was VERY excited to finally get a Sandtrooper on a Vintage-style card, but he's just been in too many assortments. Figures that carry-forward more than one assortment can also end up being a problem.

All my point is really, is that Hasbro needs to start thinking a bit more on how they form these case assortments. Talk to focus groups, check out the chat boards, and above all else, if you have three guys planning assortments - one for each line - force them to sit in a room together with the mandate that says "you may not be shipping the same character at the same time" and let them fight it out as to who gets who.

A re-release of the original AOTC Obi-Wan, two re-releases of the ROTS Obi-Wan, a re-release of the S1-S2 CW Obi-wan, a re-release of the TLC AOTC Obi-Wan and the S3 Obi-Wan all within the span of a year, is just insane. I like Obi-Wan as much as the next guy, but NO ONE likes Obi-Wan that much.
Title: Re: 2011 "Vintage" Collection Wave 9
Post by: JACKOFTRADZE on July 20, 2011, 10:04 AM
A re-release of the original AOTC Obi-Wan, two re-releases of the ROTS Obi-Wan, a re-release of the S1-S2 CW Obi-wan, a re-release of the TLC AOTC Obi-Wan and the S3 Obi-Wan all within the span of a year, is just insane. I like Obi-Wan as much as the next guy, but NO ONE likes Obi-Wan that much.

I hear you but to "OBI" honest I would actually like to see the ROTS Obi-Wan resulted. I think that figure is starting to look a little dated (robe sculpt, arms, legs/boots). (The Ball jointed legs version make the figure look frumpy) He was the groundbreaking SA Jedi that set the precedent and deserves a new sculpt in my opinion. My nephew loves Obi-wan and wants every version of him. He lives in another state so I am not pushing stuff on him. I have no problem with having consistent Obi-Wans, he does not peg warm.

I am just as frustrated as other collectors with case ratios/distribution but too many (speaking generally across the community and not specifically about anyone) forget the fact that certain figures subsidize the line like Obi-Wan, Darth Vader and Anakin. I do not mind that, it's part of the overall package and we would not get new stuff without them. It's a fact so complaining about it is pointless. Good luck finding any Darth Vader on the pegs he is no where to be found, the only Obi I come across is the new pea head Season 3 version and even he sells through. (What's the deal with animated Obi first his head is too big now it's too small).

I agree with Chewie that every Clone going forward should be #45 based., they also should have waited it's not like it was a big span in the releases. I dumped all of my 501st anticipating the new release that was slated for June. I am pissed that he got bumped several times but that is besides the point. I never bought into the "new" White Clone and Utapau Clone because I am done with the old fatty clone mold. Outside of my Saga2 Utapau and 442 I phased out almost all of the old style clone. I am actually hoping they do a running change on the White Clone and Utapau clones with the #45 mold, I would actually buy them if that was the case. There are other obvious and realistic (in terms of cost, time etc) details that should/could have been addressed.

It's the little things like that that truly frustrate all of us because it would make a world of difference.
Title: Re: 2011 "Vintage" Collection Wave 9
Post by: CHEWIE on July 20, 2011, 10:24 AM
On that Sandtrooper, the issue for me with that figure was kind of similar to the pegwarming clone... quality control let me down.  Look at the belt on most of those figures... the sculpting on it is very poor.  The plastic looks like it's actually been chewed on.  There was also some yellowing on quite a few of those figures as well... I would have bought 20+ of that figure if it was a pristine white and didn't have the belt issue.  Instead, I only bought 3 of them, and that was by being extremely picky because I was so aggravated by the quality.  I actually bought more of the Target Imperial 3-pk than that because the Stormtrooper in that set (same mold) has a better belt and doesn't suffer from any yellowing. 

So, in my opinion the problem with the ROTS Clone and the Sandtrooper was just as much to do with subpar quality as it was over production.  If the quality of the figures matched the price we're expected to pay, I doubt either of these figures would have caused such a backlog in TVC... while some people might have only bought a handful of the ROTS Clone and Sandtrooper if they were "done right" - there are a lot of people like JACKOFTRADZE and myself who invest heavily in large armies.  I would have bought 30+ of the Clone if it was the VC 45 mold with a good helmet.  But instead - I bought a grand total of ZERO. 

Like I've said before, Hasbro is 100% to blame for their problems.  Retailers didn't cause the problems and collectors sure as hell didn't either.  The banked that their market was full of idiots who will buy ANYTHING on vintage cards, and slacked on some quality.  Well for $10 range, they have to do better.  When they actually do put the effort in to earn that $10 per figure, they get our money.  When they half-ass it like they did with that Clone and Sandtrooper, they damage the hobby and themselves.  In my opinion some people there really should be held accountable for this - at my work, whoever was responsible would be looking for another job.

I hope that SDCC answers how they are resolving this, but at this point, I don't have much faith in them.  They continue to make too many bone-headed decisions to really put much faith in them these days... for every great move, they seem follow it up with something stupid.
Title: Re: 2011 "Vintage" Collection Wave 9
Post by: Pete_Fett on July 20, 2011, 10:49 AM
I have no problem with having consistent Obi-Wans, he does not peg warm.

I guess it all depends on geo - here in New Jersey, I typically hit two different Targets, three WalMarts and two TRUs. In all of those stores, I can walk in no problem right now and pick up either CW Season 3 Obi-Wan, the Vintage re-release of the AOTC Obi-Wan or the Saga Legends ROTS Obi-Wan.

And it's not like it's just one here or there, it's at all seven of those stores. All of them. And of those seven stores, three of them have all three figures in multiples and the remaining four have a mix of two of them - the most common being the CW Season 3 Obi-Wan and the Saga Legends Obi-Wan.

So from my certain point of view - he most definitely is a peg warmer and the market is definitely saturated with the character at the moment.
Title: Re: 2011 "Vintage" Collection Wave 9
Post by: Jesse James on July 20, 2011, 02:06 PM
It's tough to compare other army builders to the ROTS Clone though...  How many cases has he reshipped in now?  Wave 2, 3, 4, 5, 6...  How many VC figures have shipped like that?  How many previous army builders shipped like that?

I get why Hasbro wanted to include him, but he was A) barely in the movies really (the only ones I can even think of were the gunners on the ship in the beginning, I think), and B) he's got his Legends comrade right beside him for less money and more ****.

I just think he was a poor choice of figure, but Hasbro wanted a plain vanilla clone on the ROTS card.  One wave, maybe 1 reship, but no more.  I don't believe at all that the yellow helmet hurt him, or side-by-side inspections, or whatnot. 

I see the AOTC Clone out of Wave 4, more than any other figure from that wave.  That doesn't mean it's a ****** figure, it just means the rest are just doing a little better and we've had AOTC Clones steady since 2007.  It's a good figure and Hasbro should just moderate his release a little, roll him out again in the future, etc.

The orange decoed ROTS clone is the same figure.  We have seen plenty of him in my area, and he's not stagnated even remotely the same as the plain white one.  That's your difference.  Recognizability from the movies, and a lack of direct competition.  The yellow helmet didn't bog him down, the look of the sculpt...  He's sold very steadily.  Likewise, the 501st and 41st Legion troopers on Legends cards never backed up like the plain white ROTS Clone did.
Title: Re: 2011 "Vintage" Collection Wave 9
Post by: warinthefloor on July 20, 2011, 02:23 PM
I actually really like THAT clone, the helmet cleans up nice once its out of the package, I bought four and would gladly build a huge army. Too bad theres no clearence or discount to help me. Even I wont buy anymore at full price and have no idea why they insist on packing it in pretty much every case.
Title: Re: 2011 "Vintage" Collection Wave 9
Post by: Jesse James on July 20, 2011, 02:28 PM
I agree, and think it's a fine sculpt.  It poses well...  I bought a couple of the orange one to clean up, and have them kneeling with some of the my others, and I think the sculpt looks fine myself.

I like the new sculpt too, and plan on picking up troops that use it, but I'll certainly not be abandoning the armies I already built.  They looked great in 2005 and still do today.
Title: Re: 2011 "Vintage" Collection Wave 9
Post by: warinthefloor on July 20, 2011, 03:43 PM
I REALLY love the 212th version
I bout 9 of that one, every oen I ever saw
It could be though, that I wanted a 1212th army SOOOOO bad for so long
I mean i only ever saw one of the original version
never saw the comic pack
I had more Codys than troopers till the VC version hit
Title: Re: 2011 "Vintage" Collection Wave 9
Post by: CHEWIE on July 20, 2011, 04:30 PM
With all due respect, I can't help but disagree on that clone sculpt and am thrilled that Hasbro seems to be abandoning it moving forward... the sculpt alone makes it one of the sloppiest looking figures I've seen Hasbro make in quite some time.  I guess it could be more or less the huge helmet that I hate?  Why Hasbro can't make decent looking ROTS removable helmets is beyond me.  They seem to be figuring this out moving forward by shrinking the heads a bit, but what they've made to this point is just plain ugly. 

From chatter around the web, it seems like the yellowing has also turned off a lot of potential buyers as well - how could it not?  The rest of the figure is white, while the helmet is discolored.  I've even heard parents mention it... my 4-year old has noticed it too and asked me why it was yellow when he saw one at TRU, and I've never mentioned this to him.  He recognized it on his own.

Regarding the AOTC version, different areas have different pegwarmers at times, but the VC #45 clone sells great around the midwest and now the Legends counterpart is mounting up.   I might be able to find a total of 5-6 of the VC # 45 clone on a massive toy run including over a total of close to 20 Wal-Marts, Targets and TRU stores.

The Utapau clone, using the bulky look with that giant helmet is a pegwarmer though (not as bad as the all white one, but mainly because it hasn't shipped in so many assortments)... I could get close to 40 orange chubby clones on the same round trip.  And they're the same ones that have been hanging there for a while... why?  Because the SAGA2 version is a better figure and most of the people who army build this stuff already have the older,  superior figure.  Use the VC #45 mold though with a good helmet and slap on some orange stripes, and it would sell.  Avoiding these problems is extremely simple so what Hasbro tried to get away with here is insulting to people like me. 

Anyways, just so many factors go against the VC ROTS clone MOLD... but I don't think it being all white without some sort of designated markings is what hurt it.  The past version (ROTS #41/Legends/etc) is all white and sold fine.  But then again, that's a better figure too.  Better sculpt, no yellowing.  Cheaper as well.    The orange one, in similar production quantities, I feel would have done even worse.  Hasbro knows this, the white generic look is more in line with generic army building... that's why it's always in Legends. 

Again, I see every single aspect of this as Hasbro's fault.  Sometimes the truth hurts, but it is what it is.  Poor management by the people in charge of this stuff.
Title: Re: 2011 "Vintage" Collection Wave 9
Post by: Jesse James on September 4, 2011, 01:11 PM
Bastilla Shan has surfaced...

(http://www.jedidefender.com/news/images/1-08/011TVC_Wave8BastillaShanLoose01_TN.jpg) (http://www.jedidefender.com/image.pl?http://www.jedidefender.com/news/images/1-08/011TVC_Wave8BastillaShanLoose01_Full.jpg)
Clicky to check it out!

She looks good...  I'm anxious to get something new, but at the same time there hasn't been nearly enough Wave 7.  Not one figure ever sat from that group, and now the next wave and Revenge **** stuff is shipping with it.  Bah.  Wave 7 hopefully sees a steady reshipment like Waves 4, 5, & 6 have.  :-\
Title: Re: 2011 "Vintage" Collection Wave 9
Post by: Matt_Fury on September 4, 2011, 01:36 PM
Definitely looks good.  I hope I get to buy one.
Title: Re: 2011 "Vintage" Collection Wave 9
Post by: Nicklab on September 4, 2011, 02:56 PM
It appears that Tunghori is also selling Ponda Baba and the Echo base trooper.
Title: Re: 2011 "Vintage" Collection Wave 9
Post by: Jabba the Slug on September 4, 2011, 03:09 PM
Wow! The sculpt is great! - however, I don't care too much for the headsculpt. It may just be me, but it looks like she must have a giant brain because her forehead is just huge, and that strand of hair across her hair makes it seem worse. Still picking her up though.
Title: Re: 2011 "Vintage" Collection Wave 9
Post by: Matt R. on September 4, 2011, 05:51 PM
I don't care for her.  I am looking forward to Walrus Man and Echo Trooper
Title: Re: 2011 "Vintage" Collection Wave 9
Post by: DoctorPadawan on September 5, 2011, 11:09 AM
Wait, there's a wave 7?  I thought the vintage stuff stopped after the repaint/retool wave?  :P

Title: Re: 2011 "Vintage" Collection Wave 9
Post by: LandotheScoundrel on September 6, 2011, 09:14 AM
Wow...that is one ugly headsculpt.
Title: Re: 2011 "Vintage" Collection Wave 9
Post by: JediJman on September 6, 2011, 11:45 AM
Hasbro, the only company that can make attractive female characters look like monkey-trolls.  Theys ure haven't made much progress since Monkey Face Leia.   :P
Title: Re: 2011 "Vintage" Collection Wave 9
Post by: Jayson on September 6, 2011, 11:52 AM
Attractiveness is not at issue for me at the 3.75" scale - they are not blow-up dolls after all.  :P
Title: Re: 2011 "Vintage" Collection Wave 9
Post by: Diddly on September 6, 2011, 12:17 PM
Am I the only one not pumped for this one? Mainly because I was never able to find Revan and Malak, I'm just like why bother snagging Bastilla when she has nobody to chill with on the toy shelf?
Title: Re: 2011 "Vintage" Collection Wave 9
Post by: Jesse James on September 6, 2011, 01:47 PM
Bastilla wasn't my #1 choice from KOTOR...  Actually HK47 was, and now I want T3...  I just find droids more useful.  But I'm happy to get Bastilla ultimately, and part of me hopes we'll still see more.  I've wanted a lot of KOTOR figures now for a while, because the HK's and the Darths are getting lonely.  I'd really like to see more of the party make it to figure form.  Even half-assed kitbashes.
Title: Re: 2011 "Vintage" Collection Wave 9
Post by: darth_sidious on September 6, 2011, 02:16 PM
Bastilla was my most wanted KOTOR figure as well, so I am happy we are getting her.  I'd really like to see Atris too - which can be repainted / retooled to create a Jocasta Nu!  T3-M4 would be more a unique droid release, far more interesting than another OT or PT droid repaint...
Title: Re: 2011 "Vintage" Collection Wave 9
Post by: Matt R. on September 6, 2011, 03:28 PM
Correct me if I wrong, Isn't Bastilla...Darth Reven the whole time.  I never played KOTOR
Title: Re: 2011 "Vintage" Collection Wave 9
Post by: Jesse James on September 6, 2011, 03:35 PM
No, you're Revan, actually.  She's part of the greater story, and kind of who you're into, but you ultimately wind up as Revan at the end.
Title: Re: 2011 "Vintage" Collection Wave 9
Post by: Matt R. on September 6, 2011, 03:43 PM
No, you're Revan, actually.  She's part of the greater story, and kind of who you're into, but you ultimately wind up as Revan at the end.

Thanks
Title: Re: 2011 "Vintage" Collection Wave 9
Post by: JediJman on September 6, 2011, 03:44 PM
Attractiveness is not at issue for me at the 3.75" scale - they are not blow-up dolls after all.  :P

I was commenting more generally on their inability to make good-looking female characters, particularly the head/face.  They don't have to give them stripper bodies, big hair, and make-up, but they could do a better job of making figures that look remotely feminine.  IMO, this is a pretty poor representation of the source material...

(http://images.wikia.com/swgames/images/b/b7/BastilaShan-1-.jpg)(http://www.jedidefender.com/news/images/1-08/011TVC_Wave8BastillaShanLoose01_Full.jpg)
Title: Re: 2011 "Vintage" Collection Wave 9
Post by: Matt on September 6, 2011, 03:45 PM
No, you're Revan, actually.  She's part of the greater story, and kind of who you're into, but you ultimately wind up as Revan at the end.

Thanks

Yeah, thanks for the spoiler warning, a-hole.   >:(
Title: Re: 2011 "Vintage" Collection Wave 9
Post by: speedermike on September 6, 2011, 04:43 PM
I think this is a nice looking figure, as I have no conection to the character at all.  What I like about it is that Hasbro added wrinkles in the clothing so that it looks less superhero-ish, and a bit more practical.

As far as spoiler, hasn't this game been out for years?   
Title: Re: 2011 "Vintage" Collection Wave 9
Post by: Nicklab on September 6, 2011, 04:51 PM
The only thing on Bastila that looks a little off is her hairline.  Other than that I think the figure looks pretty good.

I'm a big fan of KOTOR, and I'd love to see more figures from the game.  But KOTOR came out in 2003 and KOTOR II in 2004.  The games have a significant following, but at this point in time the figures would not be topical.  That is, unless LucasArts decided to put out KOTOR III.
Title: Re: 2011 "Vintage" Collection Wave 9
Post by: Jesse James on September 6, 2011, 08:58 PM
No, you're Revan, actually.  She's part of the greater story, and kind of who you're into, but you ultimately wind up as Revan at the end.

Thanks

Yeah, thanks for the spoiler warning, a-hole.   >:(

My bad of course.  :P
Title: Re: 2011 "Vintage" Collection Wave 9
Post by: Greedo The Green Menace on September 6, 2011, 10:41 PM
I think she turned out well, the only thing that looks off, as others have said is the forehead. As a huge fan of the KOTOR series I think it's great to finally be getting the odd figure here and there, and I'd love to see more, which seems unlikely unless they win fans choice polls it seems. T3 is definitley my most wanted though. HK needs his little buddy to kick around.
Title: Re: 2011 "Vintage" Collection Wave 9
Post by: Jesse James on September 6, 2011, 10:51 PM
T3 and at least two other members of the party would be nicest to get, IMO.  From there I'd like Republic and Sith Troopers since army builders in general are always nice to get.
Title: Re: 2011 "Vintage" Collection Wave 9
Post by: Scott on September 7, 2011, 02:28 PM
It appears that Tunghori is also selling Ponda Baba and the Echo base trooper.
Nick

I haven't these yet...were they posted and yanked/sold out?  I'd love to not have to buy a case of this assortment as I have no faith these make retail with all of the Revenge and other repacks also slated to come out
Title: Re: 2011 "Vintage" Collection Wave 9
Post by: Nicklab on September 7, 2011, 02:31 PM
They came and went really fast.
Title: Re: 2011 "Vintage" Collection Wave 9
Post by: Greedo The Green Menace on September 7, 2011, 09:47 PM
It appears that Tunghori is also selling Ponda Baba and the Echo base trooper.
Nick

I haven't these yet...were they posted and yanked/sold out?  I'd love to not have to buy a case of this assortment as I have no faith these make retail with all of the Revenge and other repacks also slated to come out

I'm kind of banking on the hope that they get repacked in the Evazan wave whenever that comes out. Ponda at the very least should be in the same case.
Title: Re: 2011 "Vintage" Collection Wave 9
Post by: DarthBinge on September 7, 2011, 11:19 PM
Will this be the last wave for 2011?
Title: Re: 2011 "Vintage" Collection Wave 9
Post by: Jesse James on September 7, 2011, 11:34 PM
That was my understanding, more or less, Binge...  This, the Revenge card repacks, and hopefully more of previous waves (7, hopefully) that people haven't seen a ton of.
Title: Re: 2011 "Vintage" Collection Wave 9
Post by: Scott on September 13, 2011, 04:48 PM
Just got my notice that my BBTS case is in stock!
Title: Re: 2011 "Vintage" Collection Wave 9
Post by: JACKOFTRADZE on September 13, 2011, 05:29 PM
Just got my notice that my BBTS case is in stock!

I got notice my cases already shipped. That was unexpected, I forgot about this wave. I just hate all of the extras....
Title: Re: 2011 "Vintage" Collection Wave 9
Post by: Rob on September 13, 2011, 06:13 PM
You guys are getting wave 9 already?  I haven't even seen wave 7 yet.

All the stores around me suck.
Title: Re: 2011 "Vintage" Collection Wave 9
Post by: Jesse James on September 13, 2011, 06:20 PM
Wow.  Just wow.
Title: Re: 2011 "Vintage" Collection Wave 9
Post by: DarthBinge on September 13, 2011, 07:04 PM
Uh... before wave 8?
Title: Re: 2011 "Vintage" Collection Wave 9
Post by: Jesse James on September 13, 2011, 07:10 PM
Wave 8 got a bump.
Title: Re: 2011 "Vintage" Collection Wave 9
Post by: CHEWIE on September 14, 2011, 12:04 PM
Doubt I'll ever see any of the new figures (or RFT) from this wave at retail.  Gonna hope for more of these in stock from tunghori.
Title: Re: 2011 "Vintage" Collection Wave 9
Post by: Jesse James on September 15, 2011, 02:30 AM
I think it's a pretty good idea to put a Vintage Wave 9 (http://www.entertainmentearth.com/aff-home.asp?id=JE-405087801&number=HS97568J) now if you want them.  The retail scope is pretty bleak these days, I must admit.  It's a cool wave really though and the repacks aren't even bad.
Title: Re: 2011 "Vintage" Collection Wave 9
Post by: Pete_Fett on September 15, 2011, 01:11 PM
I got my shipping notice from EE too. I was surprised to get this first as opposed to one of the Wave 8 cases I ordered, but oh well. At least now I have a MOC version of each figure in this wave. Now I just gotta try to track the wave down to get my openers.   :-\
Title: Re: 2011 "Vintage" Collection Wave 9
Post by: Scott on September 16, 2011, 10:06 AM
Got my case last night...1st thoughts:

Cool to have a carded B-Wing Pilot!
Meh on the other Revenge stuff
Ponda is awesome although the big ass sticker over his face sucks...love all of the extra arms
Hoth Rebel is long long long overdue and I am glad to finally have him...just hope I can get two (same goes for Ponda)
Bastilla Shan is meh

Title: Re: 2011 "Vintage" Collection Wave 9
Post by: Nicklab on September 16, 2011, 10:17 AM
Was the Endor Rebel in your case?
Title: Re: 2011 "Vintage" Collection Wave 9
Post by: Scott on September 16, 2011, 10:25 AM
No...

Jango
Luke ANH
Wicket
Admiral Ackbar
Rebel Fleet Trooper
Logray

Revenge B-Wing
Revenge Luke Jedi
Revenge Darth Vader

Ponda
Hoth Rebel
BShan
Title: Re: 2011 "Vintage" Collection Wave 9
Post by: Nicklab on September 16, 2011, 10:27 AM
Only 3 REVENGE carded figures?  That's strange, especially since the whole REVENGE theme seemed to be a big deal with Hasbro at Comic Con.  Plus, I've been wondering if Hasbro was going to include that running change Endor Rebel from the Death Star pack in REVENGE case assortments at some point.
Title: Re: 2011 "Vintage" Collection Wave 9
Post by: Jeff on September 16, 2011, 11:23 AM
I've been wondering if Hasbro was going to include that running change Endor Rebel from the Death Star pack in REVENGE case assortments at some point.

The "Endor Rebel" is only listed in the Wave 8 case so far, not in the Wave 8 Rev1 case or the Wave 9 case.   I don't think we will know for sure what the status is on the single carded Revenge Black Endor Rebel until that Wave 8 case starts hitting eBay/retail.
Title: Re: 2011 "Vintage" Collection Wave 9
Post by: Nicklab on September 16, 2011, 11:30 AM
In that case we'll be waiting for months given the murky status of Wave 8.  Although we should find out something useful at NYCC.
Title: Re: 2011 "Vintage" Collection Wave 9
Post by: Jeff on September 16, 2011, 11:43 AM
Sorry, I should have been more clear - I was using the EE wave #s -

Wave 8 (http://www.entertainmentearth.com/prodinfo.asp?number=HS97568H&id=HA-807301583) = Revenge Case Pack 1
Wave 8 Rev 1 (http://www.entertainmentearth.com/prodinfo.asp?number=HS97568H1&id=HA-807301583) = Revenge Case Pack 2
Wave 9 (http://www.entertainmentearth.com/prodinfo.asp?number=HS97568J&id=HA-807301583) = Bastila/Ponda/Hoth Rebel / Revenge Case Pack 3

I did not mean *old* Wave 8 (Aayla/Evazan/Etc).
Title: Re: 2011 "Vintage" Collection Wave 9
Post by: Pete_Fett on September 17, 2011, 12:53 AM
No...

Jango
Luke ANH
Wicket
Admiral Ackbar
Rebel Fleet Trooper
Logray

Revenge B-Wing
Revenge Luke Jedi
Revenge Darth Vader

Ponda
Hoth Rebel
BShan

Wait - Scott - that Ackbar that came in the case, isn't it the "Revenge" version as well? Out of Wave 8, Wave 8 Rev 1 and Wave 9, this is the only case where Ackbar appears - if he's not on a "Revenge" cardback then that means that he is exclusive to the Death Star set. (for now)

I was hoping that the Ackbar and Wicket were both "Revenge" cardback variants in addition to the Vader, Jedi Luke and B-Wing pilot.
Title: Re: 2011 "Vintage" Collection Wave 9
Post by: Paul on September 17, 2011, 09:27 AM
No Leia or Endor Rebel in my case.  I got Jango Fett though...

The hoth rebel tech is just "meh"...

I will have to see how he looks with the other guys, but honestly, this could be my last wave.  The collection may be as "complete" as it is going to get for me. 
Title: Re: 2011 "Vintage" Collection Wave 9
Post by: Jesse James on September 19, 2011, 01:31 PM
Other than the removable helmet (or lack thereof) I thought he looked really good Paul, what's souring you on him?  I don't have him of course, but I thought he looked good.
Title: Re: 2011 "Vintage" Collection Wave 9
Post by: evenflow on September 20, 2011, 02:27 PM
I refuse to buy a case for just a few new figures. This distribution situation is terrible.
Title: Re: 2011 "Vintage" Collection Wave 9
Post by: DarthBinge on September 20, 2011, 06:43 PM
I've seen Revenge Ackbar offered at Brian's toys. Not sure how they got him.
Title: Re: 2011 "Vintage" Collection Wave 9
Post by: JediJman on September 20, 2011, 09:27 PM
I've seen Revenge Ackbar offered at Brian's toys. Not sure how they got him.

They frequently get items early through their advance order deal with Satan.
Title: Re: 2011 "Vintage" Collection Wave 9
Post by: Jayson on September 20, 2011, 09:40 PM
I've seen Revenge Ackbar offered at Brian's toys. Not sure how they got him.

It's not out of the question. BBTS, Entertainment Earth and Brian's Toys have started receiving new assortments with the Revenge carded figures. It'll only be a short while before they hit retail.
Title: Re: 2011 "Vintage" Collection Wave 9
Post by: Scott on September 20, 2011, 10:14 PM
I checked my Ackbar...it is a Revenge one...my bad
Title: Re: 2011 "Vintage" Collection Wave 9
Post by: Scott on September 20, 2011, 10:20 PM
(http://www.jedidefender.com/collect92/hothrebel2 modern.jpg)

Really love the final Hoth Rebel.  The samples all looked a little off to me but this final product is very much a home run.  Neutral posed and faced, removable goggles, really great all around.

(http://www.jedidefender.com/collect92/walrusman2 modern.jpg)
(http://www.jedidefender.com/collect92/walrusman2 alt modern.jpg)

To be honest, a little underwhelmed by Walrusman.  Mainly because he has a perma lean as one leg seems longer than the other.  Arms are cool, I am going to display with the fins.  I also think the holster is also a little wonky as the gun doesn't really fit in there
Title: Re: 2011 "Vintage" Collection Wave 9
Post by: DarthBinge on September 20, 2011, 10:54 PM
I really hope people are going to be able to find these!
Title: Re: 2011 "Vintage" Collection Wave 9
Post by: Orangepeace on September 20, 2011, 11:54 PM
*sigh* ^ what he said.
Title: Re: 2011 "Vintage" Collection Wave 9
Post by: Scockery on September 21, 2011, 12:13 AM
I'm might buy extra Ponda for the hands. I'll wind up with some odd hands on some used clone troopers, but right now one of them has a Wolverine hand anyway.
Title: Re: 2011 "Vintage" Collection Wave 9
Post by: Dressel Rebel on September 21, 2011, 06:25 AM
IMO this Walrusman is an obvious improvement over the POTF2 version, but mainly in the articulation department.

The difference between Ponda's POTF2 and Vintage version does not even come close to the improvement between the POTF2 version of the Gamorrean and the vintage version of the Gamorrean.

POTF2 Walrusman actually holds his own fairly well.

(http://i.ebayimg.com/03/!BmI!zOwCGk~$(KGrHqMOKkEEtlCvQbyQBLedQFIz5g~~_1.JPG?set_id=8800005007)
Title: Re: 2011 "Vintage" Collection Wave 9
Post by: Matt R. on September 21, 2011, 07:29 AM
that deck officer could put off has vintage hoth luke look alike.
Title: Re: 2011 "Vintage" Collection Wave 9
Post by: jono on September 21, 2011, 07:55 AM
Walrus Man. Oh yeah. 8)
Title: Re: 2011 "Vintage" Collection Wave 9
Post by: Jesse James on September 21, 2011, 10:43 PM
Walrus Man = Awesomeness in 4" plastic form.

Echo Base Trooper = Just shy of awesomeness because his hat isn't removable, when all the recent Hoth guys have had that.  I plan to do removable hat versions though.

I'd love to army build the latter, and get at least two Walrus Men, but that'll take some doing these days.
Title: Re: 2011 "Vintage" Collection Wave 9
Post by: Pete_Fett on September 22, 2011, 08:38 AM
So I got my Wave 9 case - love the three new figures.  :-\

Not quite sure why this case couldn't have had 2x Bastilla, 2x Walrusman, 2x Hoth Rebel and no Jango Fett, Logray and DS Escape Luke.  ::)

Anyway, it occurred to me that since there were only four "Revenge" figures in this case, I guess the Wave 8 and Wave 8 Rev1 cases also will only have four Revenge figures in each. Just like they did with the 12 silver foil figures - they were spread out over three case assortment ratios.

So does this mean that we may very well be getting "Return of the Jedi" carded versions of Slave Leia, Keyan Farlander, Endor Han Solo and the TIE Pilot? All four figures are in both cases. I'm hoping this to be the case 'cause then it will make ordering all three cases worth it, not to mention the fact that while the "Revenge" versions are an interesting novelty, I'd much rather have figures like Slave Leia on a "Return of the Jedi" card since this is the first time Leia in that outfit has ever been put on a Vintage-style cardback.

Gonna open up the RFT that came in the Wave 9 case so I can send away for my first White Boba - kinda concerned about finding the white forms in the wild.
Title: Re: 2011 "Vintage" Collection Wave 9
Post by: Diddly on September 22, 2011, 01:50 PM
Supposedly a guy found this wave at an HEB (Texas grocery store chain) the other day. I've had slight success there myself over the years (in other lines) but I'm hesitant to go check, especially since I haven't heard of this wave even shipping to the big retail stores yet.
Title: Re: 2011 "Vintage" Collection Wave 9
Post by: P-Siddy on September 30, 2011, 09:23 AM
I saw this wave (and remnants) at 2 comic stores in Manhattan. But I left them for $15 a piece. They look sharp though.
Title: Re: 2011 "Vintage" Collection Wave 9
Post by: shmashwitdaclub on September 30, 2011, 05:19 PM
FYI - I just read someone found this wave at K-Mart in Mishawaka, IN
Title: Re: 2011 "Vintage" Collection Wave 9
Post by: Scott on September 30, 2011, 09:08 PM
I really want a few more Hoth Soldiers and one more or two more Pondas...Ponda still is a little underwhelming while the Hoth Rebel I am higher on than I thought I would be
Title: Re: 2011 "Vintage" Collection Wave 9
Post by: Jesse James on September 30, 2011, 11:22 PM
I want my firsts of all of them, haha.  I keep hoping I'll see them, but then I wonder if maybe I'm going to wind up with my stores that got depleted just filling up with Wave 5 and 6 or something dumb like that.
Title: Re: 2011 "Vintage" Collection Wave 9
Post by: Jabba the Slug on October 1, 2011, 12:52 AM
I walked into an art store today and did a little tap dance after I saw all three of the new figures from this wave freshly stocked on the pegs, including a "Revenge"-card Vader. Being that my local Targets are in a state of who-knows-what, this is probably the only chance I'll get to buy them.
Title: Re: 2011 "Vintage" Collection Wave 9
Post by: Master_Phruby on October 1, 2011, 11:06 AM
Now the contents of this case would be completely new to me except ackbar. I really haven't picked up any of them yet. However, my experience with buying a case from EE is as soon as I buy it I will see these things warming the pegs all over town before EE decides to ship it to me. I can't pull the trigger.
Title: Re: 2011 "Vintage" Collection Wave 9
Post by: Jesse James on October 10, 2011, 10:46 PM
I picked up all of Wave 9 tonight at K-Mart. :)  Yay me.

And with all the Reward Points I had saved up, I got $17 off the purchase.  I nabbed Vader (mostly for the card), RFT, 3 new figures, Jango, B-Winger...  It was about $54 or so I think after my discount, and I'm already started on my next.
Title: Re: 2011 "Vintage" Collection Wave 9
Post by: JediJman on October 11, 2011, 01:02 AM
Nice score Jesse!  That KMart Rewards program pays off if you shop there enough.  I've bought toys 3-4 times, but I think I've only racked up a few bucks thus far.   :P
Title: Re: 2011 "Vintage" Collection Wave 9
Post by: JesseVader08 on October 11, 2011, 02:03 AM
I picked up all of Wave 9 tonight at K-Mart. :)  Yay me.

And with all the Reward Points I had saved up, I got $17 off the purchase.  I nabbed Vader (mostly for the card), RFT, 3 new figures, Jango, B-Winger...  It was about $54 or so I think after my discount, and I'm already started on my next.

Woah, nice find JJ!  Finding the whole wave at once must've put a smile on your face.
Title: Re: 2011 "Vintage" Collection Wave 9
Post by: Jesse James on October 11, 2011, 02:06 PM
Yes, but when KM's running sales on stuff you just pop in and stock up, and it adds up fast.  I did an oil change with their stuff that was on sale...  stuff like that adds up.

It sure did give me a smile too Jess.  It's been a while since I bought a new figure, and I'm just happy to not have to feel compelled to look now.  I've been steadily hitting my Target near work just to find these, now I'm not so pressured to do so.
Title: Re: 2011 "Vintage" Collection Wave 9
Post by: CHEWIE on October 11, 2011, 02:10 PM
Nice score - there's two Kmarts in my relative area, if I have time I'll try and hit one this week.
Title: Re: 2011 "Vintage" Collection Wave 9
Post by: Jesse James on October 11, 2011, 06:17 PM
Yeah, worth checking out CHEWIE, though my 3 new figures (not the repacks or Revenge carded guys) didn't ring up at all.  Weren't in the store's system yet.  No biggie, but took a little longer at checkout.
Title: Re: 2011 "Vintage" Collection Wave 9
Post by: bellboy on October 12, 2011, 08:06 PM
Has anyone seen/purchased revenge card leia?
Title: Re: 2011 "Vintage" Collection Wave 9
Post by: Jayson on October 12, 2011, 08:41 PM
I don't think it's shipping to retail in the US yet.
Title: Re: 2011 "Vintage" Collection Wave 9
Post by: bellboy on October 12, 2011, 08:57 PM
Cool. I thought the whole wave was out. But I believe your correct, cause I haven't seen Han in the new trench coat, mouse droid and salacious crumb either. The wait is on. Thanks for the info.
Title: Re: 2011 "Vintage" Collection Wave 9
Post by: Jayson on October 12, 2011, 09:07 PM
You can't get the Salacious Crumb (VC66) or the Mouse Droid (VC67) at retail. Those 2 were exclusive to the SDCC Mega Death Star Set (http://www.jedidefender.com/image.pl?http://www.jedidefender.com/giveaway/2011sdcc/sdcc_box.jpg).
Title: Re: 2011 "Vintage" Collection Wave 9
Post by: bellboy on October 12, 2011, 09:33 PM
Damn, Damn, DAMMMNNN (Florida Evans voice)
Title: Re: 2011 "Vintage" Collection Wave 9
Post by: Jesse James on October 12, 2011, 09:54 PM
The next set of Revenge carded figures are just showing up in Asia I believe, so it'll be a little bit I guess. 
Title: Re: 2011 "Vintage" Collection Wave 9
Post by: bellboy on October 12, 2011, 09:59 PM
Asia? Why Asia? Please explain if you can.
Title: Re: 2011 "Vintage" Collection Wave 9
Post by: Jesse James on October 12, 2011, 10:40 PM
Stuff always shows over that way first in general.  It's made there, and generally just starts to surface at retailers (and otherwise) over there first before it shows up here.
Title: Re: 2011 "Vintage" Collection Wave 9
Post by: bellboy on October 12, 2011, 10:52 PM
Thanks. That info is good to know
Title: Re: 2011 "Vintage" Collection Wave 9
Post by: darth broem 2 on October 14, 2011, 04:22 PM
I did not see anything from Wave 9 today.  But there was wave 5 at my nearest Wally World.  Finally got Luke Death Star Escape and some others.  I'm just a few waves behind.  I didn't see any remnants of wave 9 anywhere around here today. 
Title: Re: 2011 "Vintage" Collection Wave 9
Post by: DoctorPadawan on October 14, 2011, 09:58 PM
Wait, there's a wave 9?  Was there a wave 8?  What about a wave 7?  Hasbro is still making vintage figures past wave 5?  I did not know this.

(Insert "beating a dead horse" emoticon here)

Title: Re: 2011 "Vintage" Collection Wave 9
Post by: McMetal on October 16, 2011, 01:07 PM
Heard from a fellow local collector that he was able to snag this wave at Walmart this morning, great news.

Hope we see a good saturation, not just 1-2 stores.
Title: Re: 2011 "Vintage" Collection Wave 9
Post by: Jesse James on October 16, 2011, 02:38 PM
Local found Wave 9 here too at a WM store.
Title: Re: 2011 "Vintage" Collection Wave 9
Post by: Brian on October 16, 2011, 03:08 PM
Saw remnants of Wave 9 (Bastila Shan and repacks) at Super Target today.  Was hoping for Walrus Man and the Echo Trooper, but oh well.
Title: Re: 2011 "Vintage" Collection Wave 9
Post by: Blaster under the pillow on October 17, 2011, 12:01 PM
I found Walrus man and the RFT a couple of days ago. There's something about figures from A new Hope... picking them up gives me the best star wars addiction buzz...
Title: Re: 2011 "Vintage" Collection Wave 9
Post by: LandotheScoundrel on October 17, 2011, 01:12 PM
I found Walrus man and the RFT a couple of days ago. There's something about figures from A new Hope... picking them up gives me the best star wars addiction buzz...

Agreed. I get the same feeling from any of the OT figures. The prequel figures I'm still happy to get, but it's more of a "ok, I've got that, what's next?" feeling.
Title: Re: 2011 "Vintage" Collection Wave 9
Post by: DarthPooPoo on October 17, 2011, 08:21 PM
Finally found my Ponda, Bastila, RFT, and Hoth Rebel at a Mid MO Smalmart.  Hoth Rebel looks outstanding!
Title: Re: 2011 "Vintage" Collection Wave 9
Post by: Jesse James on October 17, 2011, 08:44 PM
Bought these last week and haven't even had time to open them or even take them out of the bag.  :'(  Things have sucked here of late.
Title: Re: 2011 "Vintage" Collection Wave 9
Post by: Diddly on October 17, 2011, 09:33 PM
Saw a Logray and Jango at WM this afternoon, knew they were from this wave because they had the sticker for the Proto Fett mailaway. Interestingly enough another collector was at the same store at like 8 this morning and said all they had was a Ponda Baba, so they must have been there a while.
Title: Re: 2011 "Vintage" Collection Wave 9
Post by: Daigo-Bah on October 19, 2011, 11:36 PM
I found one of each of Ponda and the Rebel trooper at K-Mart, and hated paying $10 each for them (but I figured just in case...).  I'm glad to hear they're showing up at WM though, because I need about 4 or 5 more rebels!
Title: Re: 2011 "Vintage" Collection Wave 9
Post by: Jesse James on October 20, 2011, 12:58 AM
Rewards Card...  Rewards Card...  Rewards Card...  I'm already up to having like $10 off my next use of my points Greg.
Title: Re: 2011 "Vintage" Collection Wave 9
Post by: Sybeck1 on October 20, 2011, 09:14 AM
Not showing up here locally yet. I will continue my early morning and late afternoon patrols of stores in southwest TN and NW Mississippi up to mid November, but then not found by then I will sadly have to go second market.
Title: Re: 2011 "Vintage" Collection Wave 9
Post by: Jesse James on October 20, 2011, 12:24 PM
If nothing else, order a case from EE on our front page Sybeck...  But they're just surfacing at WM here, and Target's barely gotten any in locally, so they're just now starting to move around a bit I think.

I got my set at KM, and haven't seen a sniff anywhere else, but others have found them at Target and WM stores.
Title: Re: 2011 "Vintage" Collection Wave 9
Post by: Sybeck1 on October 20, 2011, 03:19 PM
Hard to justify a full set when I need three. That may change though real soon.
Title: Re: 2011 "Vintage" Collection Wave 9
Post by: Jesse James on October 20, 2011, 05:44 PM
Yeah, it at least gives you extra army builders though.  I have to say, it's a decent case assortment even with a lot of the repacks.  And a lot of them seem like they could sell easily enough to recoop some cost.

I probably bought 80% of the case I found in the wild.  Not much I didn't want out of it.  I even took the Vader just for the card variation's sake, and same with the B-Winger since I really like the character (Keyan Farlander) getting a carded figure with his name and all.
Title: Re: 2011 "Vintage" Collection Wave 9
Post by: Pete_Fett on October 20, 2011, 08:29 PM
I bought a case from EE to ensure that I got one of each MOC for my MOC collection. I've been able to find two Ponda Baba figures in the wild (one with the help of Captain Piet) and I've been able to find one Bastilla Shan for myself as well.

So for, no Hoth Rebel Troopers - hopefully I'll be able to score at least one, so I can have an opened one from this packaging style.

I'd like to think that the Echo Base trooper will be also packed in with those Wave 7 retreds that are coming out in the spring - at least that would make the most sense. Would be nice if Hasbro could have mentioned what other figures are in that case with the seven "Second Chance" releases they showed.
Title: Nada
Post by: evilanimation on October 20, 2011, 09:57 PM
Nada
Title: Re: WAve 9
Post by: P-Siddy on October 20, 2011, 11:01 PM
At least they corrected Ponda... they had him listed as Ackbar for a couple days.
Title: Re: 2011 "Vintage" Collection Wave 9
Post by: darth broem 2 on October 21, 2011, 08:53 PM
Actually found the Hoth Trooper at TRU last night.  No Ponda though  >:(
Title: Re: 2011 "Vintage" Collection Wave 9
Post by: jedipurge on October 22, 2011, 01:47 PM
found an RTF and walked off further down the isle and found an echo base dude, sometimes pays off to walk around a little.  ;D
Title: Re: 2011 "Vintage" Collection Wave 9
Post by: Jesse James on October 22, 2011, 03:59 PM
Echo base Trooper is GREAT, but that non-removable helmet is just a sad step backwards.

Funny that he's rocking a holster the Fleet Trooper should've had.  It's pretty great really.  Decoed brown, it would make a great RFT version.  :-X

I just got to open mine the other night...  Some insanely great figures in this wave, including the repacks.  Ackbar, RFT, B-Winger...  Replace Vader or Logray with a TIE Pilot and I think the case would've been an overall home run with no gripes.

I'm all in on picking up extras of the Echo Base Trooper, and a couple Ponda's...  Bastilla's ok, and I'm into KOTOR, she just wasn't at the top of my list of KOTOR figures I wanted I guess.  I would've preferred a lot of other cast members to her (though she is a top character in the game so I can't really complain).

I plan to do some removable hat version of the Echo Trooper using Hoth Trooper pieces.  I need to make sure though that the Echo Trooper's head swaps easily with the other new Rebels.  Anyone know that?  I'm not home to check.
Title: Re: 2011 "Vintage" Collection Wave 9
Post by: Darby on October 22, 2011, 07:54 PM
I agree, he's a great figure.  I found mine today and I'm a huge fan.  I even made a convert of Ben, who initially was going to pass!  I bought 3 of these total today, two for display and one carded.  Ponda is also really good - makes you appreciate how good the 90's one is actually.  Bastilla is ok, though the headscuplt is a little stern for me.
Title: Re: 2011 "Vintage" Collection Wave 9
Post by: Jayson on October 23, 2011, 11:48 AM
I plan to do some removable hat version of the Echo Trooper using Hoth Trooper pieces.  I need to make sure though that the Echo Trooper's head swaps easily with the other new Rebels.  Anyone know that?  I'm not home to check.

The Officer's neck post is tiny so the head sockets from the Rebel Commando, RFT, and Hoth Rebel Trooper all too big for the neck post. They could work with some glue though. Of those three, the Commando and HRT look the best. The RFT head seems too large in terms of scale for the body.
Title: Re: 2011 "Vintage" Collection Wave 9
Post by: Ben on October 23, 2011, 05:34 PM
I agree, he's a great figure.  I found mine today and I'm a huge fan.  I even made a convert of Ben, who initially was going to pass!  I bought 3 of these total today, two for display and one carded.  Ponda is also really good - makes you appreciate how good the 90's one is actually.  Bastilla is ok, though the headscuplt is a little stern for me.

Yeah, I'm pretty happy with both Walrusman and the Hoth dude. Still no need for Bastilla, though.

I really hope this Hoth Trooper and the RFT see a release in the Legends line. I wouldn't mind a couple more, but at $9 each...
Title: Re: 2011 "Vintage" Collection Wave 9
Post by: Jesse James on October 23, 2011, 06:04 PM
I wouldn't say there's "no need" for Bastilla since she doesn't exist as a figure, and she was voted on and all.  I'm all about KOTOR figures (Mando guy, Republic Trooper guy, T3 Unit, some kind of possibly customizable version of yourself would be cool too).  I'm all about more, but I think TOR will move KOTOR out of any spotlight it could've possibly had.  They've basically only done Sith, and that kinda blows.  :-\

Jayson, thanks for the "heads up", nyuck nyuck.  Bummer, but I'll work on it.  If nothing else I'll just go with casts I alter down the road, but it's another lost chance for Hasbro on head swapping or future re-use without the swappable noggins.
Title: Re: 2011 "Vintage" Collection Wave 9
Post by: DarthPooPoo on October 25, 2011, 12:46 AM
I plan to do some removable hat version of the Echo Trooper using Hoth Trooper pieces.  I need to make sure though that the Echo Trooper's head swaps easily with the other new Rebels.  Anyone know that?  I'm not home to check.

The Officer's neck post is tiny so the head sockets from the Rebel Commando, RFT, and Hoth Rebel Trooper all too big for the neck post. They could work with some glue though. Of those three, the Commando and HRT look the best. The RFT head seems too large in terms of scale for the body.

I tried this, too.  Very disappointed. 
Title: Re: 2011 "Vintage" Collection Wave 9
Post by: jedipurge on October 26, 2011, 02:47 PM
gotta try a Luke head, i think there is a pic out there w/out the holster in all, just have to leg swap too if a head fits good enuff
Title: Re: 2011 "Vintage" Collection Wave 9
Post by: Paul on October 26, 2011, 03:13 PM
Echo base Trooper is GREAT, but that non-removable helmet is just a sad step backwards.


Usually I agree here.  But I am really growing tired of the removable helmet/hat that is poorly proportioned (too large) or the head is a pin head like Cody.  I'd rather they just include a regular head with the hat/helmet head.

I had hoped Major Derlin's head would fit as well, but alas it did not. 
Title: Re: 2011 "Vintage" Collection Wave 9
Post by: Jesse James on October 26, 2011, 03:55 PM
The thing is the Hoth hats have all looked good and sculpts were ready (3 of them).   :-\  Re-use the first Hoth Rebels...  add a scarf to it if you feel compelled to, but I'd have been happy to see that.

I'll never tire of removable buckets though...  To me, it's a step forward they need to keep going with, and try to make as good as they can.
Title: Re: 2011 "Vintage" Collection Wave 9
Post by: Ben on October 29, 2011, 02:17 PM
I wouldn't say there's "no need" for Bastilla since she doesn't exist as a figure, and she was voted on and all.  I'm all about KOTOR figures (Mando guy, Republic Trooper guy, T3 Unit, some kind of possibly customizable version of yourself would be cool too).  I'm all about more, but I think TOR will move KOTOR out of any spotlight it could've possibly had.  They've basically only done Sith, and that kinda blows.  :-\

I'm sorry, I meant that she's unnecessary for my collection. Never did finish KOTOR, so I have no idea who she is.  :)
Title: Re: 2011 "Vintage" Collection Wave 9
Post by: Brian on October 29, 2011, 06:33 PM
I'm kind of in the same boat.  Bastilla is actually one figures (and the only "new" figure) that I've seen at retail here twice.  Looks like a nice enough figure, but I have no idea who she is so I don't really need her either.  Cool for people that are into KOTOR though.
Title: Re: 2011 "Vintage" Collection Wave 9
Post by: Ben on October 29, 2011, 08:23 PM
I can see why she's in the line. I found more wave 9 last night, and she was gone. Obviously a popular figure, so I can't begrudge Hasbro making it. I should probably finish that game, but you know.  :-\
Title: Re: 2011 "Vintage" Collection Wave 9
Post by: Jesse James on October 30, 2011, 05:48 PM
I would've thought that, out of the wave, she'd be the more likely to pegwarm...  Sort of surprised she's moving better than the other two.  Then again I've only seen wave 9 once so I can't say I've got anything to base taht on but what you guys report. :)

I still want more Echo Troopers (and Fleeties), and at least 2 Ponda's.  Bastilla I can live without another one.

And don't get me wrong  II, I totally understand why anyone wouldn't want her too...  Ify ou're not into KOTOR, she's not a great figure.  As it stands her headsculpt is so-so.  I used to think it was ok, and it is ok I guess, but not great.  Certainly off from the source image on her card a little bit.
Title: Re: 2011 "Vintage" Collection Wave 9
Post by: Scockery on October 30, 2011, 07:33 PM
EU figures are either scarce (Scorch, Revan, Malek, Fordo, concept art, some comic packs, some Force Unleashed) or flop (90's SOTE, many comic packs, some Force Unleashed).

Though, it's hard to tell these days.
Title: Re: 2011 "Vintage" Collection Wave 9
Post by: evenflow on November 3, 2011, 01:55 AM
Still no sign of this wave, losing hope.
Title: Re: 2011 "Vintage" Collection Wave 9
Post by: Blaster under the pillow on November 3, 2011, 05:31 AM
Found a couple of head swaps for the echo base trooper's  tiny neck post... Evolutions Dooku and the first ROTS Bail Organa.... with some head gear on, they're just another couple of bearded rebels...
Title: Re: 2011 "Vintage" Collection Wave 9
Post by: DarthPooPoo on November 3, 2011, 01:35 PM
Haven't seen hide nor hair of this wave in weeks.  Looks like a one and done in this area.  Glad I got mine, but was hoping to help out a few others.
Title: Re: 2011 "Vintage" Collection Wave 9
Post by: LandotheScoundrel on November 4, 2011, 11:49 AM
I would've thought that, out of the wave, she'd be the more likely to pegwarm...  Sort of surprised she's moving better than the other two.  Then again I've only seen wave 9 once so I can't say I've got anything to base taht on but what you guys report. :)

I still want more Echo Troopers (and Fleeties), and at least 2 Ponda's.  Bastilla I can live without another one.

And don't get me wrong  II, I totally understand why anyone wouldn't want her too...  Ify ou're not into KOTOR, she's not a great figure.  As it stands her headsculpt is so-so.  I used to think it was ok, and it is ok I guess, but not great.  Certainly off from the source image on her card a little bit.

I haven't found Bastilla yet, but from the pics she looks more like a marginally attractive girl dressed up as Bastilla Shan for cosplay.
Title: Re: 2011 "Vintage" Collection Wave 9
Post by: Daigo-Bah on November 4, 2011, 07:32 PM
Haven't seen hide nor hair of this wave in weeks.  Looks like a one and done in this area. 

Yeah, me too.  One case at a K-Mart weeks ago, and nothing since.  I just think the backlog is so high it's going to take several more weeks to trickle down.
Title: Re: 2011 "Vintage" Collection Wave 9
Post by: CHEWIE on November 5, 2011, 10:59 AM
Very little sign around here either. 

Distribution continues to suck.
Title: Re: 2011 "Vintage" Collection Wave 9
Post by: Dressel Rebel on November 5, 2011, 11:56 AM
Found a couple of head swaps for the echo base trooper's  tiny neck post... Evolutions Dooku and the first ROTS Bail Organa.... with some head gear on, they're just another couple of bearded rebels...

They really need to standardize these neck posts.
Title: Re: 2011 "Vintage" Collection Wave 9
Post by: darth_sidious on November 6, 2011, 11:34 AM
I've only seen one Ponda on all my hunts, so a fellow collector on Yakface picked up spares of Bastila and the Hoth Rebel and sold them to me.  With distribution problems and bad case ratios, I really appreciate collectors like that.
Title: Re: 2011 "Vintage" Collection Wave 9
Post by: LandotheScoundrel on November 6, 2011, 09:41 PM
Found a couple of head swaps for the echo base trooper's  tiny neck post... Evolutions Dooku and the first ROTS Bail Organa.... with some head gear on, they're just another couple of bearded rebels...

They really need to standardize these neck posts.

Agreed.
Title: Re: 2011 "Vintage" Collection Wave 9
Post by: Blaster under the pillow on November 7, 2011, 11:49 AM
I really like the new fleet trooper, but if they make any modifications in the future, it would be great if he could hold a blaster in that classic two hand grip.... and maybe add that slight indent on the back of his thighs like the recent Dengar... it makes for great kneeling poses... and add the holster of course...
Title: Re: 2011 "Vintage" Collection Wave 9
Post by: Diddly on November 7, 2011, 12:56 PM
Found a couple of head swaps for the echo base trooper's  tiny neck post... Evolutions Dooku and the first ROTS Bail Organa.... with some head gear on, they're just another couple of bearded rebels...

They really need to standardize these neck posts.

Isn't their excuse that they DO standardize the neck posts, but those dastardly Asian factories intentionally shrink some of them when they mass produce the molds?

And I found two cases at Wal-Mart at 2 am last week and snagged Ponda, Bastilla and two Echo Base troops, which should be enough for me. I sill have a backlog of toys to open going back to Wave 7 (running out of display room and I'm waiting to expand my shelves) so it might be a while before I get to these.
Title: Re: 2011 "Vintage" Collection Wave 9
Post by: Jesse James on November 7, 2011, 07:22 PM
I can sort of get the 2-handed pose going BUtP, but it's not perfect...  It can work though.  Also kneeling... again not absolutely perfect but I can get it in a very believable kneeling pose.  I think I snapped a couple pics like that in the review I did of him.

I've not seen Wave 9 since I found it at K-Mart once.  Kind of bummed at that since others are reporting lots of finds at WM.  Not here... yet anyway.
Title: Re: 2011 "Vintage" Collection Wave 9
Post by: Blaster under the pillow on November 8, 2011, 04:26 AM
Nice review on the trooper Jesse, I didn't know you still did them. I was a lurker on JD for  over a  year before I joined, and I used to check in to read your reviews. I was new to collecting the modern stuff and it was a great way to find out what was worth tracking down. Good effort on the two handed pose but not quite what I was after... that pose of the dead trooper is classic though.

I've only managed to get two so far, but I'd like to get quite a few more. I love the colors of his uniform, they seem a dead match for the film.

Title: Re: 2011 "Vintage" Collection Wave 9
Post by: LandotheScoundrel on November 8, 2011, 10:45 AM
I'm really hoping we get a new headsculpt for the RFT at some point (soon). Even the two Hoth rebel headsculpts would be fine. I actually swapped the heads of one of my bearded Hoth rebels with the RFT, and it looks pretty good.

Having the new RFT really makes me want a resculpt of Captain Antilles (http://www.jedidefender.com/gallery/imageFolio.cgi?direct=Collectibles/Modern/Saga/Basic_Figures/04-15_Captain_Antilles) though. The one we have just doesn't cut it anymore. I'd even like Hasbro to go a step further and give us some more "officer-style" RFTs using the Captain Antilles uniform.
Title: Re: 2011 "Vintage" Collection Wave 9
Post by: Jesse James on November 8, 2011, 12:47 PM
Antilles resculpt is now high on my ANH list...  It's become probably in my top 10 figure resculpts since a lot of what I've wanted more has happened.  The 2003 Antilles is ok, and at least it's neutral.  It'll never leave my shelf now.

However, a new better articulated one would be ideal, and one with a headsculpt that actually resembles the more mature actor who played Antilles would be nice too, as opposed to some smarmy looking punk! :P

I'd say it also would be nice to see the Rebel Honor Guard put to some use with a new head, and a more "brown" than green deco...  slap the hat on him from the RFT, and it's a nice lower ranked officer...

There's another Rebel Officer uniform on Yavin I'd love to have.  They wear a uni similar to the Honor Guard, but it's more fitted, has less of a utility look to it, and they wear scarfs that match their hat.  There's one standing quite prominently behind Leia at the ceremony.  They seem to be higher ranking, but still under the "Antilles" uniform in rank.  I believe they're the guys holding the medals for Leia to hand out IIRC.

Also there's a "Tech Officer".  He's the guy who does the communication with the fighters attacking the Death Star, and he's actually wearing a uniform similar to the tech, at least in color, but his top is a shirt with collar similar to a Fleet Trooper (except the color, which is the light grey/white-ish).  His pants I can't recall now if they're ever visible.  He seems like he's some kind of higher ranking tech guy though which is kind of neat.

IIRC, the Yavin Honor Guard type guys in the less fitted/baggy suits have some changes though too, to their uniforms.  They've got pockets on their pants and their uniform is just simply a more "function over form" look to it.  The Honor Guard may be a pretty distinct uniform ultimately.  The guys in the baggier uniforms also have an emblem on the hat, I believe.  Something that's never been explained.  Like a black/red/yellow diamond looking emblem I think.
Title: Re: 2011 "Vintage" Collection Wave 9
Post by: LandotheScoundrel on November 8, 2011, 02:47 PM
I'm always ready to bolster my Rebel ranks a bit more. I did some headswaps a while ago, to have a Reikkan in the Madine-style uniform, and Madine in a Hoth Riekkan style uniform. That definitely made for some cool figures.

One of my biggest wants for the rebellion at this point is an updated Mon Calamari crewman. While they were excellent for their day, they look like burnt **** next to that sweet new Admiral Ackbar. And while we're on the topic of rebel leadership, the rebellion salt shaker Mon Mothma needs a serious upgrade.

We also really need the other varieties of Endor troopers resculpted. The vest version and the full camo fatigues version. I can't even display the POTF2 Endor rebels with a straight face, and I hate the über-preposed SAGA troopers. Even the retool with normal legs leave a lot to be desired. I want full-on accessory crazy Endor troopers...and of course, Pruneface (http://video.adultswim.com/robot-chicken/prune-face.html).

Title: Re: 2011 "Vintage" Collection Wave 9
Post by: Jesse James on November 8, 2011, 06:27 PM
I'd want Riekean in an Antilles/Dodonna type uniform...  I've always grappled with the uniform differences, and felt Madine was a Special forces/Army type guy, but Riekean is a "regular army" type instead, and is wearing the cold weather gear of essentially the officers on Yavin IV.

Not that I'm critiquing your head swaps Lando, just something I was pondering doing myself and that's what I'll probably go with when i eventually get to it.

I'd dig seeing a Dodonna in cold weather too...

Also I REALLY need to do a couple Madine as Imperial swaps too.  Kyle Katarn busts him out of jail in Dark Forces, and I want to do a beaten/prisoner Madine in his IMpy uniform.  Also want to do a clean Madine prior to his exposure as a turncoat.
Title: Re: 2011 "Vintage" Collection Wave 9
Post by: LandotheScoundrel on November 8, 2011, 10:19 PM
Ah! Cold weather Dodonna...yeah, I need to make one of those.

I've always wondered about the differences in rebel uniforms from ANH to ROTJ. I would almost think of the Madine unform as the ground forces, while Dodonna's would be the fleet uniforms. This is really only based on Dodonna being in command of the "fleet" that attacked the Death Star. I always saw General Riekkan as a ground forces commander, so I liked having him in the Madine uniform.

Mainly it's just the whole problem with Lucasfilm not having a military consultant on ROTJ...as we know, there's lots of inconsistencies.
Title: Re: 2011 "Vintage" Collection Wave 9
Post by: Jesse James on November 8, 2011, 11:00 PM
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I would almost think of the Madine unform as the ground forces, while Dodonna's would be the fleet uniforms.

This was a thought I had as well.  Could Madine/Endor Rebels represent what ammounts to the Alliance Army/Army Regulars, and Spec. Forces?  Sort of akin to the NVA in Vietnam, or the Colonial Army the U.S. formed against Great Britain?  They maybe get the better planet-specific gear as well, but require the support of other branches of the military to function.

And then there is the "Marines" or "Fleet"...  They could be in charge of fixed bases/installations, and have groups on ships as crews as well as a protective force.  This would be Fleet Trooper uniforms, Antilles/Dodonna, as well as possibly Luke's uniforms we see...  And they'd work together of course, but the Army would maybe handle large and prolonged engagements, or pushes after landings are handled by Marines (or Fleet Troopers), if possible.

There's a lot of militias too, or at least it seems like that's the case, that the Alliance is having to fold into their overal military.

I've always envisioned the Alliance as not as "rag tag" as people think though,a nd more only in comparison to the size, structure, and seemingly infinite resources of the Empire...  and of course the Alliance having all the various militias involved (heavily) that the Empire would not have involved at all, or sparingly.
Title: Re: 2011 "Vintage" Collection Wave 9
Post by: Sybeck1 on November 9, 2011, 08:25 AM
Aren't Rebel Fleet Troopers really Alderaan marines? Just something I have been thinking about.
Title: Re: 2011 "Vintage" Collection Wave 9
Post by: LandotheScoundrel on November 9, 2011, 10:18 AM
I've had that thought about the RFTs as well, but they seem to be considered the overall rebel troops...at least when you get to Yavin, and they're pretty much the standard trooper. Are they Alderaan refugees at that point? Who knows.

There also seems to be culture-specific uniforms, if you look at the Mon Calamari. One thing to consider is that the rebellion had just won it's first victory against the Empire at the beginning of ANH, so they may have had plenty of wrinkles to iron out in their organization as far as a uniform look goes. But we really only see a small part of the rebellion on Yavin (I would assume), so it's hard to determine how well thought out they were.

In the end, I just kind of go with what the various groups were doing. Of course, the command structure may be a bit more versatile than we're thinking. I would assume any General in the Star Wars universe would have to be versed in all aspects of warfare, from space to planetside. I'm just trying to rectify the differences in uniforms, which is actually part of the fun (albeit very nerdy).
Title: Re: 2011 "Vintage" Collection Wave 9
Post by: Jayson on November 9, 2011, 11:02 AM
Found a couple more cases of wave 9 this morning. I think I've bought every RFT I've seen thus far (6-8) and I have about a 6 Walrus Man because he is such a great figure. I hope to be able to do a pretty simple arm swap with him to get a decent  Teak Sidbam (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Teak_Sidbam) from the Holiday Special out of him. The trick will be finding the right arms to use. Anyone have any ideas?
Title: Re: 2011 "Vintage" Collection Wave 9
Post by: Jesse James on November 9, 2011, 03:15 PM
I've still yet to see Wave 9 outside of K-Mart, haha.  It has hit, but not in great numbers, at a local WM.  I keep checking about once or twice a week at various stores, but at this point I'm not going above/beyond either with massive toy runs with toys as my primary goal of the trip.

On the "Alderaan Troopers" thing, I've never liked that...

Partially because they've always been called "Rebel Troopers" in every source, which implied to me they're part of something greater.  That leaves the door open that they're just another militia, but it seems teh yavin Tech look is right there on board the Mon Cal ships working so it seems odd that they'd have just technicians from Alderaan ya know?

The uniforms are also pretty weak...  Especially compared to the Empire.  I'd think Alderaan would have something a bit more proper, more fitted.  Something like we see in the prequals.  Why from the Prequals to now would Alderaan suddenly have a much cheaper looking uniform ya know?  Of course that's always explained away by the times the two films were made, but to me that's a cop-out and so the differences in the two films lends "fictional credence" to the troopers on Leia's ship and at Yavin being a Rebel uniform...  Cheap, functional, distinct.

And of course all outside sources (EU) have the Fleet Trooper uniform as kind of a standard Rebel one...  to me then the discrepency comes into play in the ROTJ/ANH uniforms, and separting them or merging them.  I find it unlikely the Alliance would want to upgrade uniforms...  Seems an unnecessary expense, but I can see distinct uniforms between branches for sure.  Especially in Star Wars lore where a "Marine" in that world has a pretty different role than a Marine in our world ya know?  Not to say the Alliance "Fleet Trooper"/Marine wouldn't see time on planets doing battle, maybe needing some uniform variety or help.  I've often thought perhaps that they wear the camo ponchos like Leia/Luke do, or trench coats like Han, or a mix...  Those seemed like "cheap outer camo" options to me.

The Alliance Army get the majority of the budget for environmentally specific gear though, in terms of camo at least.  That's a reason i've always sort of viewed the Spec Forces guys/Madine from Endor as quite possibly a separate military branch compared to the "Fleet"/Marines.

Another thing you mentioned Lando...

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One thing to consider is that the rebellion had just won it's first victory against the Empire at the beginning of ANH

It won its "first major victory", but not the first victory. ;)  The EU has fleshed out that the Alliance had taken down a Destroyer prior to this, a major coup for them, and a Destroyer that had been causing quite a ruckuss.  Akin to taking down the Bismark at the earlier days of WW2, it's a major victory, and raised the eyebrows of the Emperor, Tarkin, Vader, etc.  They'd been doing other things from other areas for some years though, and one could assume other individual cells or militias had been a thorn in the Empire's side since possibly the very end of the Clone Wars.

Now of course this is EU too, and so "grain of salt" applies.  It's something I've always followed though in my little SW world, that the Alliance had been fighting the good fight.  They just hadn't taken the fight to the Empire as much as they'd been defending themselves against them, doing hit/run attacks, stealing from them, maybe taking some ships via crew mutinees like aboard the Rand Ecliptic.

This veered way off topic, so apologies to everyone who doesn't give a poop. :P  I used to have great chats like this with darthschroeder and CorranHorn on FFURG's chat program...  I miss these talks.  They were a blast.  You'd have had fun with it Lando.
Title: Re: 2011 "Vintage" Collection Wave 9
Post by: Darth_Anton on November 10, 2011, 09:04 AM
I have yet to come across this wave and I've been looking almost every day since it broke. Did a slightly extended run over the last two days and was disappointed to observe the low quantities of vintage available, period. Most stores have room to put a case or two out, yet everything but vintage is getting replenished.
Title: Re: 2011 "Vintage" Collection Wave 9
Post by: Pete_Fett on November 10, 2011, 12:14 PM
Stumbled on this wave this morning. Walrusman was already gone when I got there, but the Hoth Rebel and Bastilla were both there, grabbed both - this brings my Echo Base Hoth Rebel count up to six, so I'm definitely good with that figure now. The Bastilla is coming to work with me so I can add her to my little desk display of KotOR figures.  :-\
Title: Re: 2011 "Vintage" Collection Wave 9
Post by: LandotheScoundrel on November 10, 2011, 02:16 PM
Yeah, sorry for derailing the thread with geek(ier) talk, everyone.

I think we'll have to move the military of the rebellion conversation to the OT thread.  ;)
Title: Re: 2011 "Vintage" Collection Wave 9
Post by: CorranHorn on November 11, 2011, 01:05 PM
This veered way off topic, so apologies to everyone who doesn't give a poop. :P  I used to have great chats like this with darthschroeder and CorranHorn on FFURG's chat program...  I miss these talks.  They were a blast.  You'd have had fun with it Lando.

Good times, good times.  :D
Title: Re: 2011 "Vintage" Collection Wave 9
Post by: Jesse James on November 11, 2011, 01:25 PM
Bumming on Echo Trooper right now.
Title: Re: 2011 "Vintage" Collection Wave 9
Post by: DoctorPadawan on November 11, 2011, 07:47 PM
Only one of the three local WMs in my area has gotten this wave (three times, actually), and each time, Bastilla has been the only figure gone when I show up.  Given how ****** distribution has been this year, I guess I'm going to have to go on Ebay or something to get one. 

The good news is that, aside from the Endor Capture Luke (Revenge card), all the figures sell pretty quickly.  The bad news is that, with mostly empty pegs, this WM just restocked this morning with 5 cases of wave 5.  So yes, more yellow helmet 212th Clones, yellow helmet Stormtroopers, Hans, DSE Lukes, and R5-D4s, not to mention even more Sandtroopers.  Ugh.

And let's not even talk about my local Target, which, after having its stock of Dengar, Cloud Car Pilots, Sandtroopers, and ROTS Clones cleared out by the Hasbro reps a few weeks back, still only has remnants of the one case of wave 5 they stocked in their place.  Toys R Us isn't much better, as they have a small glut of wave 6, and since it took them 6 months to get those cases in, I'm not holding out much hope for wave 9 at all.

(Not to mention the fact that, outside of Logray and the RFT reshipped in the w9 cases, I haven't seen hide nor hair of Han/ARC/Bom/Barriss from wave 7).

Title: Re: 2011 "Vintage" Collection Wave 9
Post by: Jesse James on November 11, 2011, 11:11 PM
Mine are stocking up with Wave 4 and 6.

Good figures in Wave 4 & 6, and some good carry-forwards even, but lots of crappola too.  Seeing that Clone, after they'd pulled so many, just leaves a pit in your stomach.  I mean, seriously.  And this isn't Hasbro...  this is all WM/whoever else ordered so much of these waves.
Title: Re: 2011 "Vintage" Collection Wave 9
Post by: evenflow on November 12, 2011, 06:05 PM
Have yet to find this wave, not looking good.
Title: Re: 2011 "Vintage" Collection Wave 9
Post by: Darth_Anton on November 13, 2011, 09:52 AM
Have yet to find this wave, not looking good.

Same here.
Title: Re: 2011 "Vintage" Collection Wave 9
Post by: Matt_Fury on November 13, 2011, 10:31 AM
Have yet to find this wave, not looking good.

Same here.

Me three.   :-\
Title: Re: 2011 "Vintage" Collection Wave 9
Post by: Orangepeace on November 13, 2011, 08:17 PM
Me Fore! Watch out buddy, ooh that had to hurt. I yelled Fore!
Title: Re: 2011 "Vintage" Collection Wave 9
Post by: Master_Phruby on November 13, 2011, 10:40 PM
Messa Five!
Title: Re: 2011 "Vintage" Collection Wave 9
Post by: Sybeck1 on November 14, 2011, 08:35 AM
I came across two cases at a Walmart in another town early one Friday morning before work. I was so excited to find Walrusman, A wing pilot RFT, Bastilla, and Echo base guy, I forgot all about a tie pilot. Went back to look that Sunday and both cases were gone. I have a feeling if I was a couple of hours later that Friday, I would have found nothing.

Since then, no Walmart Target or TRU has them!!! If you see them grab them then! They don't last!
Title: Re: 2011 "Vintage" Collection Wave 9
Post by: Dressel Rebel on November 14, 2011, 08:29 PM
I still have not found this wave in any store but KMart.
Title: Re: 2011 "Vintage" Collection Wave 9
Post by: evenflow on November 14, 2011, 09:57 PM
Broke down and found the wave on 3 on ebay for a seemingly fair price. My Walmert has not restocked in about 2 months so i am thinking it was the way to go.
Title: Re: 2011 "Vintage" Collection Wave 9
Post by: Diddly on November 15, 2011, 12:07 AM
I've seen the entire wave at Wal-Mart and remnants at TRU. Guess Texas is just weird.
Title: Re: 2011 "Vintage" Collection Wave 9
Post by: Jesse James on November 15, 2011, 08:42 PM
Found remnants, including a lone Echo and Fleet Trooper, at a local K-Mart.  Picked them up.

2 WM's and a Target on the same run...

Target still has the same Sandtroopers they've had since Hasbro pulled stuff.  Why isn't Target getting anything here?  Who knows.

First Wal-Mart has the same Wave 4 they got in last week.

Second Wal-Mart...  Well, I took a picture of that ball of sadness.  Two rows of pegs, clogged to the gills with fresh wave 5 cases in each row of pegs.  ::)

Friggin' Wal-Mart.
Title: Re: 2011 "Vintage" Collection Wave 9
Post by: Jayson on November 16, 2011, 11:38 PM
So I was Googlin' around tonight looking for reference photos in order to make "Teak (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Teak_Sidbam)" from the Holiday Special when I stubbled across some interesting photography. Several images show that it was actually the left arm of Ponda Baba that was severed by Obi-Wan and not the right one (note the breast pocket to confirm that this image is not horizontally flipped).

(http://www.yakfaceforums.com/jayson/walrusman_arm1.jpg)
(http://www.yakfaceforums.com/jayson/walrusman_arm2.jpg)
(http://www.yakfaceforums.com/jayson/walrusman_arm3.jpg)

Other images show he was to lose his head too.
(http://www.yakfaceforums.com/jayson/walrusman_headless.jpg)

So is the current Walrus Man technically wrong since he has the wrong arm chopped off, he includes Evazon's blaster instead of his own specialized blaster (http://www.partsofsw.com/pondagun.htm) and that he is missing the yellow stripe down his pant legs?
Title: Re: 2011 "Vintage" Collection Wave 9
Post by: Scott on November 16, 2011, 11:49 PM
Prop guy with the pipe is my favorite guy ever...he's shown up in pics here before...cool pics Jayson!
Title: Re: 2011 "Vintage" Collection Wave 9
Post by: Jesse James on November 16, 2011, 11:52 PM
I've not watched the movie lately, but during the film's running, is it possible to see which hand Ponda draws a gun with, and if it's possible to tell by the arm lying about on the ground if it's right/left?

I'd put that over the stills as far as continuity goes, but the stills are pretty cool Jayson. :)

Makes me want Garrouff Lafoe as a figure even more.  Look at him just standing there with the "WTF dude?" look, like this was more an inconvenience for them than shocking.  Akin to spilling their drinks.

The bat looks like the only person freaked out by what just happened.
Title: Re: 2011 "Vintage" Collection Wave 9
Post by: Jayson on November 16, 2011, 11:54 PM
Prop guy with the pipe is my favorite guy ever...he's shown up in pics here before...cool pics Jayson!

Thanks, every time I look at the guy I think it's Kris Kristofferson hacking the head off a manatee with pocket-knife.  :P


I've not watched the movie lately, but during the film's running, is it possible to see which hand Ponda draws a gun with, and if it's possible to tell by the arm lying about on the ground if it's right/left?

IIRC, the arm you see draw the blaster up at Obi-Wan is Evazan's right arm and not Ponda Baba's. The furry hand on the ground (added later in some pickup shot) is the right arm of Ponda Baba, but again this is in conflict with the on-set flipper hands of Walrusman and the fact that he lost his left arm in the behind-the-scene photos.
Title: Re: 2011 "Vintage" Collection Wave 9
Post by: Scott on November 17, 2011, 12:06 AM
(http://www.jedidefender.com/collect92/walrusman2%20modern.jpg)(http://www.yakfaceforums.com/jayson/walrusman_arm1.jpg)

I still don't really like the proportions of the new Walrusman and this pic really shows it...the head is way too small
Title: Re: 2011 "Vintage" Collection Wave 9
Post by: Jeff on November 17, 2011, 10:16 AM
IIRC, the arm you see draw the blaster up at Obi-Wan is Evazan's right arm and not Ponda Baba's. The furry hand on the ground (added later in some pickup shot) is the right arm of Ponda Baba, but again this is in conflict with the on-set flipper hands of Walrusman and the fact that he lost his left arm in the behind-the-scene photos.

So, what you're saying is that...
- if I display Ponda with the "flipper hands", then I need to display him with both arms attached to be movie accurate
- if I display Ponda with the "furry hands", then I need to display him with the bloody stump to be consistent with the pick-up shot
- if I display Ponda with the "flipper hands" and the bloody stump, I'll be violating the original continuity intent of the scene (before the pick-up shot ruined that) and the universe will implode

I look forward to seeing "Ponda Baba with bigger head and correct original continuity left arm bloody stump" show up in future JD wishlists and the inevitable "Ponda Lost his Left Arm!" T-Shirts at future conventions...
Title: Re: 2011 "Vintage" Collection Wave 9
Post by: Master_Phruby on November 17, 2011, 10:32 AM
You must do what you feel is right, of course.
Title: Re: 2011 "Vintage" Collection Wave 9
Post by: Jayson on November 17, 2011, 10:42 AM
IIRC, the arm you see draw the blaster up at Obi-Wan is Evazan's right arm and not Ponda Baba's. The furry hand on the ground (added later in some pickup shot) is the right arm of Ponda Baba, but again this is in conflict with the on-set flipper hands of Walrusman and the fact that he lost his left arm in the behind-the-scene photos.

So, what you're saying is that...
- if I display Ponda with the "flipper hands", then I need to display him with both arms attached to be movie accurate
- if I display Ponda with the "furry hands", then I need to display him with the bloody stump to be consistent with the pick-up shot
- if I display Ponda with the "flipper hands" and the bloody stump, I'll be violating the original continuity intent of the scene (before the pick-up shot ruined that) and the universe will implode

I look forward to seeing "Ponda Baba with bigger head and correct original continuity left arm bloody stump" show up in future JD wishlists and the inevitable "Ponda Lost his Left Arm!" T-Shirts at future conventions...

Exactly.  ;D
Title: Re: 2011 "Vintage" Collection Wave 9
Post by: P-Siddy on November 17, 2011, 10:53 AM
You must do what you feel is right, of course.

Lol
Title: Re: 2011 "Vintage" Collection Wave 9
Post by: Sybeck1 on November 17, 2011, 11:29 AM
I just wonder how he got the big melon through his pull over shirt collar. If anything it should be stretched out bad.
Title: Re: 2011 "Vintage" Collection Wave 9
Post by: Jesse James on November 17, 2011, 01:32 PM
Space-age fabrics.  Like Underarmor.
Title: Re: 2011 "Vintage" Collection Wave 9
Post by: Master_Phruby on November 17, 2011, 05:09 PM
Underroos.

(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_hC5TAf87deI/TOaeHNZ7w4I/AAAAAAAAFxU/_GMGIEZiQSQ/s1600/Luke.jpg)
Title: Re: 2011 "Vintage" Collection Wave 9
Post by: Jesse James on November 17, 2011, 08:34 PM
I like that the packaging depicts Luke dreaming about children's undergarments.
Title: Re: 2011 "Vintage" Collection Wave 9
Post by: McMetal on November 17, 2011, 09:19 PM
I like that the packaging depicts Luke dreaming about children's undergarments.

Well-played, sir...that made me LOL.
Title: Re: 2011 "Vintage" Collection Wave 9
Post by: P-Siddy on November 17, 2011, 10:05 PM
It's boys' large.
Title: Re: 2011 "Vintage" Collection Wave 9
Post by: Dressel Rebel on November 18, 2011, 05:40 AM
This isn't the aqualish we were looking for.
Title: Re: 2011 "Vintage" Collection Wave 9
Post by: Jesse James on November 21, 2011, 07:01 PM
Found even more Wave 9 tonight at K-Mart...  2 cases worth but Bastilla was gone from both, as were a Echo Base and Fleet Trooper.  With the B1G1 50% Off, that was nice.  Picked up a stack of army builders too.
Title: Re: 2011 "Vintage" Collection Wave 9
Post by: 77Skywalker on December 6, 2014, 11:27 PM
I have Ponda Baba.  It's nice they gave him interchangeable arms.