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Title: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: Brian on July 21, 2009, 09:17 PM
MTV Movies Blog (http://moviesblog.mtv.com/2009/07/21/a-new-merc-and-an-old-bounty-hunter-in-these-exclusive-star-wars-the-clone-wars-season-two-images/) has a couple of Season 2 images, one featuring Cad Bane, the other featuring another familiar bounty hunter.  Looks pretty cool to me!
Title: Re: Star Wars: The Clone Wars Series Discussion Thread
Post by: Jesse James on July 21, 2009, 09:43 PM
My favorite!  :D

Besides Tarkin (who I'd dig seeing show up in CW too, since he should be quite important in there somewhere), this is my favorite character to buy random junk of said character.  Busts and the like.  Gimme an animated figure, gladly.

He's been depicted in the past as something of a "Jedi Killer", actually.  Interesting.
Title: Re: Star Wars: The Clone Wars Series Discussion Thread
Post by: Brian on July 22, 2009, 12:03 AM
In addition to Bossk, it looks like the Official Site's Blog (http://starwarsblog.starwars.com/index.php/2009/07/21/lucasfilm-pavilion-at-comic-con-first-pics/) has a look at some other bounty hunters on the way in Season 2.  These new pics are getting me psyched for next season, hopefully it isn't starting too late in the fall.

On a side note, what happened to the "Decoded" episodes?  I don't think I've seen one in at least a month, although they are still playing Clone Wars fairly regularly (and usually on Friday night).  I thought they were doing the whole first season that way, but hopefully the lack of ones lately doesn't mean Season 2 is being pushed back or anything.
Title: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: Brian on July 25, 2009, 08:49 PM
Here's the Season 2 Preview (http://g4tv.com/videos/40214/Star-Wars-The-Clone-Wars-Season-2-Preview/) that was shown on G4TV, looks pretty sweet.  I can't wait for Season 2, hopefully it won't be a late Oct/Nov start like last year.
Title: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: skyward72 on July 25, 2009, 10:19 PM
It looks like this series is getting better and better.  Can't wait to see season 2.
Title: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: Master_Phruby on July 26, 2009, 05:23 PM
I've got to admit. It's gone from a really bad theatrical movie to a good TV show with a long story line. It's good to see them moving away from short three episode stories to a season length story. I'm looking forward to this.
Title: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: King_Maul on July 26, 2009, 06:36 PM
The preview was nice.  There some interesting and exciting clips.  Looking forward to season 2.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: Jim on August 1, 2009, 06:08 PM
Can anyone confirm the report from comic con that a young Han Solo will make an appearance next season? I read something about this over at aint it cool news.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: Jesse James on August 4, 2009, 02:31 AM
I didn't see/read anything about that...  Wouldn't that be a VERY young Han Solo?  He's not realy an old dude circa ANH...  Not something I'd dig really, if it's true.  I like Han and all, but I'm a fan of keeping my OT mains separate from my Prequal EU.  Chewbacca in ROTS was even stretching it IMO.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: Brian on August 4, 2009, 01:06 PM
I hadn't heard/read that Solo info either.  I remember hearing that Lucas at one time wanted him to have a small part in ROTS, that ended up getting cut.  I think that was even somewhere official (Insider maybe?).  Anyways, didn't hear anything about CW.  Like Jesse said, he'd have to be really young - like annoying "Annie" youngish.  I do fully expect Chewie and/or the Wookiees to show up eventually in CW though, but I don't mind the "aliens" (like Bossk) showing up as much.  Their age can be fudged more so they aren't necessarily kids.

As a Han fan, I'm all for seeing him in an animated series - I just hope it is in an OT-era series at some point :P.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: Greg on August 4, 2009, 02:39 PM
I thought Jaybo Hood was supposed to be a young Solo type of character. I don't really want to see Han in the series. I prefer the histories of certain minor charcters being expanded. Bossk and Jabba are perfect examples.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: Nicklab on August 4, 2009, 04:11 PM
Can anyone confirm the report from comic con that a young Han Solo will make an appearance next season? I read something about this over at aint it cool news.

Someone asked about this at the Star Wars Spectacular.  Dave Filoni commented on it and said that they're being very careful about the prospects of involving any characters from the OT, and would probably avoid doing so.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: Jesse James on August 4, 2009, 05:06 PM
That's good then.

Bossk is Bossk...  He's been portrayed as a Jedi-hunter in toys, actually, so I'm ok with him showing up.  Excited, actually.  I want to see him collect some lightsabers.

But Bossk also probably has 10 total seconds of screentime too. :)  Not like it's Lando, or Han, or Chewbacca becoming a major player in a storyline or something.  That's my sort of fear of it all, especially with how Chewbacca was basically crowbarred into Episode 3.  He was very unnecessary, much less being there with Yoda specifically...  and yet Chewie in ANH is "making fun" of Jedi.  It was just not necessary.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: Jim on August 6, 2009, 08:47 PM
I should have been more specific about my earlier post.  The article did mention that Solo would be a child so not to screw up any more continuity. IMO, I dont want to see the OT characters making an appearance in any pre ANH form, except where needed (Yoda, Droids, Obi-Wan).  Chewie's ROTS appearance was useless and added nothing to the story. 

Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: Brian on August 24, 2009, 03:05 PM
Looks like Season 2 is set to kick off on October 2nd (http://www.starwars.com/theclonewars/news20090824/index.html), with an hour long premiere starting at 8e/7c.  I'm really looking forward to the new season.  Season 1 was very good overall I thought, and seemed to get stronger as it went along.  Hopefully they'll start off big with Season 2.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: Brian on September 3, 2009, 12:57 PM
IGN (http://tv.ign.com/dor/objects/826173/star-wars-the-clone-wars/videos/clonewars_clip2_090209.html) has a couple of clips up from the upcoming season.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: Jayson on September 8, 2009, 10:41 AM
Season 2 Sneak Peeks (http://www.starwars.com/walmart/video1.html)
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: Brian on September 8, 2009, 12:53 PM
Season 2 Sneak Peeks (http://www.starwars.com/walmart/video1.html)

Thanks for posting that.  Everything looks pretty cool to me, can't wait for the new season to start in a few weeks.  It looks like the Turbo Tank is getting some screen time now to help promote the new toy as well.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: Jesse James on September 8, 2009, 04:26 PM
I downloaded the video game on XBL this weekend and there were a couple "new clones".  One's a technician without armor on, and just a green jumpsuit and headset.  There was a BARF Trooper too with blue markings named Boomer.

Demo sucks, the game's kind of so-so, a bit of a story though to it, which might make it a $19.99 purchase some day.  Game play was what deterred me from really liking it.

Also some separatist leader, looked like a droid but wasn't.  Interesting new details, but that was about it.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: Brian on September 14, 2009, 01:13 PM
Another trailer (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EGBCjz7Ha_o) for Season 2, which continues to look pretty cool to me.  I think I spotted a different colored Y-Wing in there, I smell a repaint ;).  Less than a month to go!
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: iFett on September 28, 2009, 07:52 PM
Caught the little CW marathon that was on yesterday and I'm pretty stoked for season 2.  Haven't really bothered to see any trailers or read any info on the second season but it's cool to see that there's going to be dealing with a lot of bounty hunters.  Bring on the Mandos!
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: McMetal on October 2, 2009, 10:20 AM
11 hours and counting!

VERY psyched for the premier tonight, but I have a feeling I am going to get screwed and miss it. My mother-in-law is due in town tonight on the train and guess who has to go pick her up. It's supposed to be here at 7:30pm - cutting it too close.

I wish they would make these available On-Demand. The re-airings are in even worse time slots.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: Keonobi on October 2, 2009, 10:56 AM
Yeah, I had originally missed the last 6 or 7 episodes of the first season, so over the last couple months I've been trying to catch them all during the rebroadcasts, but they are at weird times so its been a struggle, I think I only have missed one now.  Looking forward to tonite though.  The kids will be in bed by 8, so there shouldn't be anything to keep me from seeing the show!
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: Brian on October 2, 2009, 11:55 AM
The good thing - with this premiere anyways - it looks like it will be replaying several times.  According to our DVR, it is on tonight at 7 (CST), again right after at 8, then tomorrow morning sometime and Sunday evening again.  Definitely looking forward to the new season, the previews have looked pretty spiffy.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: David on October 2, 2009, 11:25 PM
Pretty cool episodes to kick off the new season! They went by a little fast though.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: Jesse James on October 3, 2009, 03:09 AM
Agreed on the speed there, it was really fast it seemed.

I liked the plotline, I thought the story was a little more complex and it opened up some new things with Ahsoka's behavior, and how her character is evolving under Anakin and the way we know his character "grows" ultimately.

I liked the Clawdite chick and it just makes me that much more anxious for a resculpt of Zam Wessel, haha.

I must say, I hope Seth Greene's droid never reappears.  His attempt at a 3PO impersonation was lame, to say the least, and I didn't like Bane's banter with him. 

I liked Adm. Yularren's development too.  Here's to hoping we see Tarkin appear and be a much more competent jackoff than Yularren is.

Not a great "cloning" episode, but it was good overall.

Droids giving up = lame though, and I hope they don't do that again also.  They're soldiers too, and much more mindless than Clones, so I'd like to see less of that attempt at humor.

I liked both episodes, and I'm anxious for next week.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: Darby on October 3, 2009, 01:14 PM
I found the story a little more interesting than the usual stuff last season, but some of the dialogue in places was sketchy ("Do you think (insert Jedi here) is on their ship as a prisoner?" - as opposed to their guest?) and so were some of the battle tactics.  The longer this show goes on, the less sense some of the battles make.  It has never made sense for any force in SW to committ large levels of ground forces anywhere, especially against enemies with such robuts space forces.  One or two ships in orbit would make any ground force of any size worthless.

That said, the animation clearly has improved, and I am looking forward to the rest of the season. 
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: Jesse James on October 3, 2009, 03:29 PM
I'd disagree on the battle tactics...

Taking and holding a planet through numbers is important because of shielding.  Look at Hoth as a canon example where the more numbers and better position you hold, the longer you can hold out due to planetary defenses.  That kind of stuff's fleshed out more in games, and covers the "need" to do sieges and stuff...  Some planets are easier to take.  Then again some are incredibly complex and sieges last months or years.

Then you have the possibility of not wanting to cause collateral damage, and so on.  That's actually sort of why the Death Star was an ultimate weapon.  It eliminated the need to invade.  You simply threatened destruction from orbit.  Hoth was a single base though, so I could imagine a heavily fortified planet being almost impregnable.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: iFett on October 3, 2009, 06:42 PM
The first few minutes felt to me at least like they were totally trying to pimp the vehicles.  The Turbo Tank had...5-10 seconds of time and all it did was blow up?  Bravo!  I'm sure the kiddies are all going to want one now.  Was cool to see the size comparison between that and the AT-TE though sitting next to each other.

I had no clue Seth was the lil droid.  I kinda liked him.  Bane was cool again - no suprise.  Anywho.... 
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: Brian on October 3, 2009, 07:46 PM
I enjoyed the premiere as well.  I'm not sure how the fanbase in general feels about him, but I think Cad Bane is kind of cool actually.  Looking forward to seeing more of the bounty hunters as the season goes on.  I agree about the fast pace of last night's episodes, they really seemed to keep things moving.  I thought the same thing about the Turbo Tank, almost like "see its in the show!" ;).  I'm sure we'll be seeing more of it though eventually.  I actually thought Ahsoka's character is getting a little more interesting/less annoying as well, and maybe we saw a little bit of that later last season as well.  Looking forward to more new episodes.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: Jesse James on October 5, 2009, 12:57 AM
I liked that the Turbo Tank was used as a "scouting mission" vehicle though.  It's intent in EU being something of a scouting platform vehicle to probe an enemy...  It's interesting that they caught that and used it.

I love Bane, don't know of many who are griping on him...  He's getting some character development with the "agressive" style of command he uses, and his sort of daring and ballsy nature.  He is cold, but likable I think, in a weird way.  He's got that feeling that, had we gotten the chance, we'd have seen Fett turn into something similar.

I'm very curious to see how these other bounty hunters play out.  Aurra Sing, they really have a gem on their hands with her if they use her right.  Bossk's been depicted (sort of) as something of a Jedi killer...

There's a lot to like I think in what we've seen so far.  I thought it made a nice long storyline that's arcing into more next week.  Yay Clone Wars.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: Keonobi on October 5, 2009, 12:49 PM
I liked the episodes Friday.  I was a bit disappointed that the Jedi got taken for a wild goose chase through the temple, but maybe that, along with their inability to detect the presence of a non-Jedi, is evidence of their arrogance (no one would try to infiltrate the Jedi temple, so why be on guard for it...).  I'm liking that the CIS has their own heroes, but I'm not sure Cad Bane should be one of them.  He should have remained an independent contractor that Sidious or Dooku called in, he shouldn't have been in command of a CIS cruiser (or frigate or whatever).
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: Jesse James on October 5, 2009, 04:38 PM
It seemed Yoda was the only one able to detect much.

That ties in with the whole, "our abilities in the force have diminished", and not letting everyone know or their enemies will multiply...  Perhaps that's the very reason Sidious even suggests the "mission" for Bane, knowing that they'll have trouble detecting him now that they're handicapped?
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: Matt_Fury on October 5, 2009, 08:51 PM
I thought it was a good episode, but I thought it was weird that they went from Bane stealing the Holocron and then all of a sudden he had the Jedi in captivity and he was already on the other side of the galaxy.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: Jesse James on October 5, 2009, 09:43 PM
I think that's just the constraints of a half hour cartoon though, ultimately...  He escapes Coruscant, he's boogying after the Jedi that the Republic is also trying to contact (he's one of the ones in seclusion like Jerec, and others I guess?), so I can buy that... 

To me, I've always viewed the movies similarly.  Obi-Wan didn't jump to Utapau from Coruscant the same day, the Falcon took time to get from Tatooine to Alderaan, a period of time elapses between Hoth and Bespin in ESB, and so forth...  If that makes sense.

I don't think Star Wars as a fictional universe demonstrates the elapse of time well, ever.  :-\
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: Matt_Fury on October 5, 2009, 11:05 PM
I see your point Jesse, but the fact that he captured a Jedi off camera kinda sucks.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: Jesse James on October 6, 2009, 01:55 AM
Agreed, I would've liked seeing it fleshed out in the cartoon, however StarWars.com had one of their supplemental webcomics that goes with the CW season I think, that actually covered this.  It's a little late on my part to mention that, but it does cover Bane's capture of the Rodian.

How he finds him so easily though, seems a mystery.

An even bigger mystery is his capture of that first Jedi, a "Scrillian" or something?  The big grey Jedi that the shape-shifter uses.  Where'd they get that one?

The Jedi live up to the Spaceballs words of wisdom...  "Evil will always triumph over good, because good is dumb!"  :-\
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: tmanthegreat on October 6, 2009, 01:15 PM
I was pleased with the episode overall.  Apart from the lengthy commercial breaks, it was fun to watch.  Lots of action and violence, as there should be in such a massive conflict.  The brutal nature of many scenes in the show (beating up Jocasta Nu, Cade Bane torturing the Rodian Jedi to death, etc.) are one thing I have liked about the CW series.  It is accurately depicting the negative events that happen in warfare.  The show is not softened for the little kids and has enough complexities that an older fan can really enjoy it.  In fact, I think it is easier for an older fan to understand everything that is going on in the show and fit it within the greater context of the SW universe.  Having worked with elementary school-age children as a mentor and tutor, I've found that while many really like the CW series, they are at a loss to explain why the clones and Jedi are fighting the seperatists and have no inkling of who their hero Anakin will eventually become :o 

I am very interested to see where Asoka's character is going to go during the series...  She is definitely developing in a manner that runs contrary to Jedi ethics; something more like Anakin's personality.  It will be interesting to see what exactly happens to her near the end of the series.  What concerns me more, however, is actually how long this series will continue and how the show will conclude.  It cannot go on indefinitely as there is only a finite amount of time between Episodes II and III and it would be great if the show ended as sort of a precursor to Episode III. 
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: Jim on October 7, 2009, 11:56 PM
I just finished rewatching the old CW Series from 2003 that takes place after this story arc.  I did miss a few episodes here and there from the new series but why does Anakin recognize Ventress in the new series but not in the old ? Also, you never really see here die.  She falls off the temple but that is it.  Am I missing something or is she going to end up in the live action tv series?  Also strange that she is never mentioned or is Ashoka or Rex in Sith.  I probably just missed something.

Did anyone notice that Bane's species is quite similar to Admiral Thrawns?
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: Jesse James on October 8, 2009, 12:19 AM
Bane's a Duros, Thrawn's a Chiss...  So they're the same color, both red eyes, but Chiss are described as "near human" while Duros are nowhere near human and (according to lame EU) related to Neimoidians...  Which I pretty much ignore that last part.

On the Ventress and CW2D story arc, I didn't think that the Ventress storyline from that took place after this story...  In the CW2D story arc, Anakin is a Jedi Padawan yet, while in the CW3D he's a Jedi Knight, right?  I've taken the 2D series as jumping around a bit, but that storyline with his fight with Ventress and things on Yavin IV as all taking place a time before CW3D starts.

Both could easily jump around but Anakin's hair do's seem to imply CW2D takes place first I think.  I'd never seen any timelines on any of it though.  I was going off visual stuff to piece it together.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: McMetal on October 8, 2009, 10:55 AM
IMO, it's just crap writing. They painted themselves into a box on that one, creating an interesting villian and then killing her off because they figured the show would have a short run. Enter the $$$.

Once they got the green light for more episodes, they realized they had messed up and so they just went ahead and destroyed the continuity and integrity of the original animated series.

If it's a question of which comes first, there is no doubt the CW2D version happens AFTER the 3D version running now. Because the last episode is the kidnap of Palpatine from Coruscant which directly precedes ROTS.

After thinking about it, I think Jesse may be right that the 2D version skipped around a bit, timeline-wise.

Someone needs to tell these writers that eventually, somehow, someway, they are going to have to start killing off some of the bad guys, not just all the good guys. IT'S OK TO SHOW THE BAD GUYS LOSE ONCE IN AWHILE TOO!

Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: Jesse James on October 8, 2009, 03:45 PM
Unfortunately Assajj has an "ending" to herself in EU right now, I guess, but I think it'd be neat to see them off some people for sure.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: McMetal on October 12, 2009, 11:01 AM
I liked Friday's episode a bit more story-wise, at least they got the Holocron back and saved the kids. Bane still manages to make the Jedi look like a bunch of bumbling idiots which really continues to irritate me. WTF? If the Republic doesn't have the sack to just kill the guy, go ahead and pay him an exorbitant sum of money NOT to work for the Separatists.

Well, at least they provided a cogent, convincing explanation for how Bane switched places with Denal. OH WAIT, NO THEY DIDN'T!  ::)

That was some really weak writing right there. There's suspension of disbelief, and then there's just stupidity.

BTW, did they unveil a whole new ship on the ep? I don't recall ever seeing that ship Ani & Obi used to dock on the Separatist vessel...it was mondo cool though. Looked almost like a cross between an A-Wing and B-Wing - rotating cockpit but with a flatter, more circular chassy. I want it! (Hasbro - you know what to do!)
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: Brian on October 12, 2009, 01:55 PM
I enjoyed Friday's episode as well.  I still enjoy the character of Cad Bane, but I hope they don't get to making him "too unstoppable".  It is fine for him to hold his own, but I wouldn't mind seeing him get his ass kicked by a Jedi every so often either.  We've been brought to understand that the Jedi are supposed to be so unstoppable and tremendous warriors (when warranted), so I hope we don't continue to see them get outsmarted and whipped on by bounty hunters/Grievous/etc.

That said, the episode itself was pretty good.  I guess it gives more significance to why we see that Denal figure on the pegs as well ;).  I'm surprised we haven't seen Bane's ship in the starfighter line yet, since it seems to just be a repaint of the MagnaGuard fighter (it was in the Titanium line too I believe?).  Anyways, I'm sure that is on the way, but I'm sometimes surprised at how behind Hasbro is on some of this stuff.  Maybe there isn't much they can do about it.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: Jayson on October 12, 2009, 02:06 PM
BTW, did they unveil a whole new ship on the ep? I don't recall ever seeing that ship Ani & Obi used to dock on the Separatist vessel...it was mondo cool though. Looked almost like a cross between an A-Wing and B-Wing - rotating cockpit but with a flatter, more circular chassy. I want it! (Hasbro - you know what to do!)

Yep, that Jedi T-6 Shuttle was a pretty cool ship, the Falcon-esque cockpit was a nice touch.  
(http://www.starwars.com/img/prw/theclonewars/guide/episode203/img33.jpg)

Although I rather they made a hyperspace ring for the V-19 as those were pretty bad ass too.
(http://www.starwars.com/img/prw/theclonewars/guide/episode203/img09.jpg)
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: McMetal on October 12, 2009, 02:57 PM
Jayson, you rock! Awesome pics...that is exactly what I was talking about. Jedi T-6 Shuttle - good to know. That thing looks inevitable to be realized in plastic!

I can wait on Xanadu Blood, give us this bad boy next spring! (or the Twilight, that is cool too)
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: Darth Broem on October 15, 2009, 01:03 AM
I really liked the first few episodes of season 2.  I liked Bane at the end of last season but after the "Children of the Force" episode I freakin love the guy!  I was almost cheering when he escaped.  LOL!  I don't really analyze these shows at all.  I just sit back and try to enjoy them for what they are entertainment for kids and a commercial for toys. 
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: McMetal on October 15, 2009, 05:25 PM
I'm just happy 8pm appears to be the new time slot for this season. After 9 was just not working for me last year...
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: iFett on October 16, 2009, 06:04 PM
I lost the remote to my Video Cassette Recorder so I'll end up missing most of the new episodes.   :'(
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: DSJ™ on October 16, 2009, 06:19 PM
This is where I go to watch them online.  ;)

Clone Wars: Season 1 & 2 (http://www.sidereel.com/Star_Wars%3A_The_Clone_Wars_(2008_Tv_series))
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: iFett on October 16, 2009, 06:43 PM
Thanks for the link Dale.  Maybe I can sneak some time here at work - don't think I'd have much luck at home with my ol dial-up.  Someday I'll be up to speed on technology.   :)
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: Jayson on October 16, 2009, 08:05 PM
Thanks for the link Dale.  Maybe I can sneak some time here at work - don't think I'd have much luck at home with my ol dial-up.  Someday I'll be up to speed on technology.   :)

Mikey, I'll burn you a CD with all the episodes and you can watch them at your leisure.  8)
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: JediJman on October 17, 2009, 12:18 AM
Thanks for the link Dale.  Maybe I can sneak some time here at work - don't think I'd have much luck at home with my ol dial-up.  Someday I'll be up to speed on technology.   :)

Mikey, I'll burn you a CD with all the episodes and you can watch them at your leisure.  8)

Okay, for THAT I would be willing to offer up freebie bootlet marching and firing clones sir!
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: Jesse James on October 17, 2009, 02:21 AM
Good episode tonight...  I thought, as plot/story goes, it was one of the better ones so far in the series.

I liked the Skifio senator...  I liked Anakin's behavior.  I liked the Jedi obviously sensing Anakin's attachment to her.

I also liked seeing Poggle and Lott Dodd some, and Cato Nemoidia...  THat's just the visual stuff though, and really the plot I felt was very creative, threw a curve into the whole Anakin/Padme story.  It really added to their ultimate futures.  It also sets up next week nicely.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: iFett on October 17, 2009, 09:14 AM
Mikey, I'll burn you a CD with all the episodes and you can watch them at your leisure.  8)

Sweet!  Thanks Jay!   :)
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: darth_sidious on October 17, 2009, 06:34 PM
After watching the episode last night - I want to know where the rest of the Jedi Council is - are they always on missions while Yoda, Mace, and Obi-Wan stay at the temple?!  I'd really like to see the rest of the council in future episodes, especially Shaak Ti.  I know Ki-Adi Mundi is in an upcoming episode, and I'm really looking forward to that.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: Darby on October 17, 2009, 08:31 PM
Last night was in some ways the best episode yet.  The writing, for a kids cartoon, was leaps and bounds beyond what we've seen so far.  The characterizations of Padme and Anakin, the weakest part of the films, were right on for once.  I loved the classic Hollywood nods in the music and direction.  I love the direction the series is going in.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: David on October 17, 2009, 10:04 PM
Agreed. Last night's episode was superb. Easily the best one of Season Two so far and maybe even around the top five yet. They're doing such a good job with Anakin & Padme in this series, unlike in the movies where I have to fast forward through their scenes. :P

Looking forward to the battle on Geonosis! 8)
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: Matt R. on October 18, 2009, 07:37 PM
Is was great  :)
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: Jesse James on October 19, 2009, 02:19 AM
Last night was in some ways the best episode yet.  The writing, for a kids cartoon, was leaps and bounds beyond what we've seen so far.  The characterizations of Padme and Anakin, the weakest part of the films, were right on for once.  I loved the classic Hollywood nods in the music and direction.  I love the direction the series is going in.

A good summary of my thoughts on how Padme and Anakin were taken in a direction Lucas seemed incapable of doing.  They actually seemed human. 

It makes you really wonder about the notion (Scott's) that Episode 1 wasn't necessary...  AOTC = Episode 1, and then a "Clone Wars" film that fleshes out the character's deeper personalities, and then ROTS wraps it up nicely.

The toon's proving that the character's development in the movies was largely ignored at the cost of the quality of the story.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: McMetal on October 19, 2009, 11:26 AM
Hmmm, guess I am in the minority...this was a real snoozer, IMO. Just give me tech stuff, explosions, and cool aliens and I'm good. Leave the soap opera stuff to Star Trek.

I did find it interesting to see the interplay of the various Separatist factions; that would be great fodder for future episodes. It can't be easy holding together an alliance of such disparate interests.

Nice move leaving Padme's ex to get murdered at the end. Honorable Jedi indeed.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: Keonobi on October 19, 2009, 12:30 PM
I'm with McMetal on this episode, wasn't very interesting.  I did appreciate the writers trying to add some depth to the Padme and Anakin relationship (more than them longing for each other over a holigram transmission) but it just didn't feel complete enough.  Maybe I was expecting Anakin to have to be more of a hero to save Padme.  Did seem a bit cowardly to leave Senator whats his name on to his fate, but then again Anakin has already demonstrated his willingness to bend/break the rules when it comes to Padme.  Not sure, but it feels like since we didn't see him get whats coming to him, the Ex will pop back up at a later point.  Not sure how, but seems that's a character that could be useful, the vengeful ex-lover/separatist.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: Jeff on October 19, 2009, 01:15 PM
Hmmm, guess I am in the minority...this was a real snoozer, IMO.

I'm with McMetal on this episode, wasn't very interesting. 

My two 3-year olds agree as well.  One kept asking where Cad Bane and Captain Rex were, while the other kept asking when Anakin was going to use his lightsaber.  Both got bored and gave up on it about ten minutes into the show. One said "maybe next time Clone Wars will have clones and robots" and wanted to turn the channel to something else...
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: Keonobi on October 19, 2009, 02:40 PM
 :(  Doh, I'm not 3 though.    ;D  I am a bit surprised that they are making episodes like that though specifically because the target demographic for the show is probably 8 year old boys.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: Jeff on October 19, 2009, 02:49 PM
Exactly.  As a character study of the relationship between Padme and Anakin during the Clone Wars, it was pretty neat.  As an action packed cartoon for 5-8 year olds, it failed.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: Jesse James on October 19, 2009, 06:05 PM
I think it shows the cartoon is trying to appeal to both, kind of like Hasbro's toy market...  This episode clearly was more adult, and it also clearly established the backdrop of upcoming episodes.  I think that's great...  It's a cartoon but some of the warring was getting a little redundant to the older audience I'm sure.  This at least establishes things a little bit.  I like that dual aspect of the series that way...  Some for both audiences.  More for kids of course. 

Episodes like this are incredibly rare.  Really has there ever been one at all?  I'd liken it to the Jar Jar episodes, but the polar opposite in terms of who its geared at.  Though I did find Jar Jar easier to take in the toon than in the movie.  Go figure.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: Jesse James on November 2, 2009, 01:36 AM
I started spasming on the floor Friday night.  I couldn't get my fix and I wasn't prepared for 2 weeks without.  This is annoying.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: JediJman on November 2, 2009, 12:22 PM
Anyone know a good site for downloading prior episodes?  I missed #1 and #3.   :P
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: Jesse James on November 2, 2009, 03:06 PM
This is where I go to watch them online.  ;)

Clone Wars: Season 1 & 2 (http://www.sidereel.com/Star_Wars%3A_The_Clone_Wars_(2008_Tv_series))

Dale posted this on the last page, for your viewing pleasure.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: David on November 2, 2009, 04:17 PM
Just read over at Yakface that there will be new episodes on WEDNESDAY AND FRIDAY this week. Wouldn't have known about the Wednesday one if I hadn't read that, so just thought I'd share that over here too....
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: Jayson on November 2, 2009, 04:19 PM
Just read over at Yakface that there will be new episodes on WEDNESDAY AND FRIDAY this week. Wouldn't have known about the Wednesday one if I hadn't read that, so just thought I'd share that over here too....

Actually the same episode that aires on Weds (Landing at Point Rain) repeats on Fri.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: Jesse James on November 2, 2009, 04:33 PM
That's weird, I wonder why they bumped it up a couple days?

I'll probably still wait for Friday unless I can find time Wednesdays now.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: JediJman on November 2, 2009, 09:32 PM
That's weird, I wonder why they bumped it up a couple days?

I'll probably still wait for Friday unless I can find time Wednesdays now.

I think they bumped it up to coincide with the DVD release.  Thanks for the tip on E1!!!
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: Jesse James on November 2, 2009, 09:35 PM
No problem, if I hadn't seen Dale post that the other day I likely would've forgotten beacuse I just DVR the stuff, but now that I think of it I may go scan them online a little more in detail I think.

And yes, the DVD release.  I forgot about that.  I'm going to, hopefully, pick that up this week also.  I hope any extras are nice.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: Brian on November 3, 2009, 05:57 PM
Newsarama (http://www.newsarama.com/common/media/video/player.php?aid=31683) has a nice little preview up of this week's episode, looks pretty spiffy.  I picked up the Season 1 set today, and I have to say that the packaging is kind of nifty.  I haven't gotten a chance to watch any of the discs yet, but there is a nice booklet in there with some concept art/etc. that is pretty nice.  The book is the "case", sort of similar to the deluxe edition of Indy and the Crystal Skull if anyone picked that up.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: JediJman on November 4, 2009, 12:32 PM
Newsarama (http://www.newsarama.com/common/media/video/player.php?aid=31683) has a nice little preview up of this week's episode, looks pretty spiffy.  I picked up the Season 1 set today, and I have to say that the packaging is kind of nifty.  I haven't gotten a chance to watch any of the discs yet, but there is a nice booklet in there with some concept art/etc. that is pretty nice.  The book is the "case", sort of similar to the deluxe edition of Indy and the Crystal Skull if anyone picked that up.

Are there any special promotions with this release with retailer incentives or do you get the exact same thing no matter where you buy it?  Borders has it for $32 with free shipping, but I noticed it's only $30 at Target.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: iFett on November 4, 2009, 12:43 PM
I think it's $28 somethingish at WM.  Don't think there's any promos anywhere out there though.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: JediJman on November 4, 2009, 03:29 PM
I think it's $28 somethingish at WM.  Don't think there's any promos anywhere out there though.

Cool - thanks.  Maybe I'll wait until I'm dewback hunting to get mine then.   ;)
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: Darby on November 4, 2009, 10:10 PM
Landing at Point Rain: wow.

That's all I got to say right now. 
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: McMetal on November 4, 2009, 10:24 PM
Landing at Point Rain: wow.

That's all I got to say right now. 

Dude, second that.

But I got plenty more to say.  ;D

Deep breath...RED Y-WINGS! WAXER & BOILS! GEONOSIAN STARFIGHTERS! NEW GUNS! NEW PAINT APPS!

And simply the best, over the top battle sequences ever depicted in an animated program that I can ever remember. I had read beforehand how they wanted to capture that Battle of Omaha Beach feel and man they nailed it. Utter carnage!

SO MUCH outstanding detail...from the wise-ass crack about how the bugs couldn't shoot straight right before the gunship exploded to the Clone Trooper gunning down the still flaming Geonosian warrior on that rocky precipice.

It just absolutely does not get any better than this for me. I LOVE the tactical stuff, seeing how they deploy the heavy equipment, finally getting to see some of these awesome vehicles in full action, the strategy from the heavy cruisers all the way down to the infantry.

I just hope we get a lot more of the same for the next 3 episodes in this arc.

Oh, and next week - Barriss Offee!!!
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: Jesse James on November 5, 2009, 12:52 AM
Agreed...  Not too much to say right now but maybe later.

A lot of WW2 overtones in this episode though...  Lots of warring.  This is I think easily my favorite episode thus far though, as I have the same love of the war/tactical/military aspect of the series over everything else.  And that was played to the hilt tonight.  Well done.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: David on November 5, 2009, 09:56 AM
This is easily in my top five favorite episodes so far! Very cool stuff! Really liked Ki-Adi and his "65" line at the end. I loved seeing the Geonosians again; any organic Separatists fighting the clones is cool to see and I hope there's more of that in the series. And of course, all the battling was terrific. Awesome episode! 8)
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: Hobbie on November 5, 2009, 11:44 AM
That was amazing.  I can't believe they used flame throwers and showed the results!  It really showed that war is no joke. 
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: McMetal on November 6, 2009, 11:28 AM
I'm watching the replay tonight FOR SURE. Too much action to absorb all in one sitting!

Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: GrandMoffNick on November 9, 2009, 07:08 AM
Last Friday's episode was one of the worst they've done so far. Nothing happened. It was just shooting. They clearly made the episode the people who didn't like the previous episode wanted.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: tmanthegreat on November 9, 2009, 12:39 PM
That was a fun episode 8)  I caught the replay Sunday night and found it to be really one of the most intense combat scenes that I think has ever been done in Star Wars.  If I have any gripe, I thought the episode moved too quickly, but the combat sequences were great.  They were certainly inspired by many of the invasions in WWII and seemed to greatly resemble the Omaha beach landings, as other members have noted.  I'm glad to see the creators of the CW series do not skimp on depecting the true brutality of warfare and that the show is done in a manner that even older viewers can enjoy. 

The long commercial breaks for silly kids toys get annoying, though :P
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: Jayson on November 9, 2009, 12:42 PM
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They were certainly inspired by many of the invasions in WWII and seemed to greatly resemble the Omaha beach landings, as other members have noted.

Watch the Episode Commentary (http://www.starwars.com/video/view/000897.html) and you'll find that's the feel they were going for with the battle scenes.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: Keonobi on November 9, 2009, 01:00 PM
Liked the episode overall, lots of new trooper designs (Ki Adi Mundi troops looked a bit like early Galactic Marines to me...).

I had one bit of confusion, I know it was to add suspense and all, but if this mission was critical enough where they had to devote 4 Jedi, what else was going on on Geonosis that they couldn't spare a squadron of fighters?  You'd think the Yularen would recognize the importance that is being placed on this particular mission and divert air support.

Good shoot 'em up fun though.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: Jesse James on November 9, 2009, 03:09 PM
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They were certainly inspired by many of the invasions in WWII and seemed to greatly resemble the Omaha beach landings, as other members have noted.

Watch the Episode Commentary (http://www.starwars.com/video/view/000897.html) and you'll find that's the feel they were going for with the battle scenes.

Agreed...

There was a lot more than "just shooting" there IMO.

First, there was strategy...  a surprisingly large ammount of it.  We're shown from the onset that there was a set goal, and that the Jedi were trying to learn from past experiences on Geonosis by trying a 3-pronged attack led by 3 Jedi to break the first goal.  It's a lot like WW2 beach landings, and a lot went wrong (I think that's why Palps has his cameo obviously). 

We're taken into that world of strategy early on but they kept it surprisingly cohesive throughout then.  I was shocked!  Anakin's down first, his collapsed wave forces the next one into chaos and so on.  Kenobi finally makes it in the last wave, and is the most hurt and in need of support.  The other two are left to "wade in" from further back and chaos ensues amidst all 3 waves of a plan that was relatively simple at first.

I like that they walked through the entire thing in holo-form first and actually showed the plan.

Second there's a certain parallel being drawn between the Geonosians, and the dedication an enemy can have...  They were pretty feirce.  They were superior to droids for certain.  The Clones were meeting their match in some sense, I thought.  They were showing a lot of fear throughout the episode.  I got an "Imperial Japanese" feeling from the Geonosians...  Loyal and deadly.  The droids are played up as borderline retarded every episode but the Geonosians were definitely shown to be the opposite.

Third, I really felt there was story there on a subtle level...  Anakin's anger for instance, at Obi-Wan not being there to support him.  Anakin's blaming Obi-Wan, he's getting pissed, and it's not Obi's fault.  He's clearly showing signs though that he's quick to judge, blame, and mistrust when he gets upset.

Also the "game"...  Obi-Wan doesn't view war as a joke, or a game.  He busts balls with Anakin a lot, but he clearly doesn't approve of he and Ahsoka devaluing the war into a game between the two of them.  To Anakin it's like sport (killing), and I think that subconsciously disturbs Obi-Wan a little bit.  It's perhaps an early warning sign they should've acknowledged.  The series overall is pretty good about showing subtle things Anakin does that make him ultimately who he is.  CW is really doing well in establishing Anakin's bad side.  It's there but the war almost masks it.  Obi bemoans it dragging on, Anakin turns it into a game and has "fun" during it.  That's pretty good story telling really, I think.

I'm also digging Yularren's prickish side.  He's gone from a random putz to a ruthless military leader with little concern for the men who do the fighting.  Very Imperial.  It's easy to see how he's promoted into the ISB later in his career.

If I had some complaints about the episode...

-I thought it was odd the Flamethrowers weren't brought up sooner in the tunnels, but that could've been to protect them too of course.  There's easy enough explanations but flamethrowers are good for clearing out tunnels.

-The "wall" thing...  I thought this was somewhat poorly designed.  It looked like a damn without anything to hold back.  ALmost like it was an afterthought, and just didn't get much effort put into its design.

-The final push...  The rush into the shielded portion of their objective makes sense but it would've been neat had we seen them make that push into the shield with small walkers like AT-RT's helping the rush in or something.  A bunch of guys running on foot almost seemed too easy, and again it seemed like they rushed this bit and something got cut out possibly explaining why they did it this way...  I can buy it, I just thought it could've been spiffed up slightly.  Maybe if episodes were longer.

This episode definitely was the antithesis of the last episode though...  Last episode was all story, all development, and this episode was a lot of clone action.  I like the attempt to balance though.  And overall I really feel the story was there but a lot more subtle and more attuned to future events.  This episode was kind of like the Rising Malevolence one in that it's clearly setting up larger things for next week.  I really wish they'd do some hour-long ones sometime.  I think they've got the tools to work with.  It'd be real neat to see them incorporate an existing EU story of the CW into the storyline too, at some point. 
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: Jesse James on November 16, 2009, 04:18 AM
Not much talk on Friday's episode...  and honestly I can't blame anyone.

Besides the cliffhanger at the end there, it really wasn't terribly impressive...  Barriss Offee and Ahsoka had neat tension that I felt like they just sort of let it peter out by the end of the episode...  Disappointing.  There were once again "Anakin's a possessive nutcase" overtones too, but I really felt Luminara's disinterest was kind of disturbing.  There needed to be some pressing matter forcing that "Let it go" attitude.

The "heavy tanks" were simply retarded.  Not something I liked at all...  Suddenly the Separatists can create a piece of armor that is impervious to anything the Republic tosses at it?  Stuff can be tough but not indestructable.  That dallied too much into the realm of "This week's super weapon threatening the Republic's destruction is..........." kind of stuff.  They've been better about that in this series than that, and just seemed to half-ass that plot-line.

Plus like all other tanks, sabers cut them apart, so why would these be somehow superior against heavy artillery or AT-TE's?  Just too "super weapon" for me, and disappointed me.  That shows a lack of writing creativity.

I'm hoping for a rebound next episode...  Anxious to see if we're moving off Geonosis too, anytime soon.  It doesn't appear so.  Next week's looked to have potential for coolness though, and Geonosians are freaky for sure.  I like the way they look in the series too.  They're almost "cute" for some reason.  I like the notion of playing up their "scary" nature though what with swooping in and nabbing you in the dark.  There was a bit of that in other EU played up some, and it's neat to see it being played up a bit in the series.

This past week's episode just wasn't interesting though, to me.  It was very much a character-developing one, but struck me as just more poorly thought-out than the Padme/Anakin episode a bit ago.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: GrandMoffNick on November 16, 2009, 07:06 AM
I missed the time change and thus missed the episode. Need to find out when it's on again.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: tmanthegreat on November 16, 2009, 03:52 PM
So how soon does anyone want to guess we'll see a toy of one of those super tanks for sale? :P

I liked some aspects of the episode and then disliked others.  As Jesse noted, the tensions between Ashoka and Bariss Offee were interesting and I was glad to see the "possessive" attitude in Anakin brought out.  (I really want Ashoka to get killed off at some point in the series, driving a despairing Anakin closer to the dark side >:D )  There was still a lot of carnage and in my sick mind, I'm always a fan of that in this series. 

As for my personal drawbacks, the super tanks were sort of bland, but did seem to evoke something of the AT-ATs in ESB in terms of a massive, near-impervious weapon that could destroy just about anything on the good guys side.  A more tank-like appearance with a turret or something would have been cool, though I thought the mortars were interesting.  I'm sure we'll be seeing more of them in future episodes.  I still think the episode moved too quickly to really develop the story or the characters as effectively as they could.      
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: Jayson on November 16, 2009, 04:00 PM
I missed the time change and thus missed the episode. Need to find out when it's on again.

Weapons Factory:
November 18 9:00p EST

Or you can watch it now on SW.com
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: GrandMoffNick on November 16, 2009, 04:07 PM
I missed the time change and thus missed the episode. Need to find out when it's on again.

Weapons Factory:
November 18 9:00p EST

Or you can watch it now on SW.com

Thank you.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: McMetal on November 16, 2009, 04:30 PM
Am I really the ONLY one who LOVED the super tanks? To me, these are like gold because we instantly have a new candidate for the next $100 TCW toy. Sign me up right now...I want it.

This is a 4 episode arc, so they'll be on Geonosis for two more eps. Fine with me, best stuff they have done yet IMO.

I didn't feel like it was Anakin's possessiveness so much that they were trying to show as his complete inability to deal with the concept of personal loss. Pretty much his Achilles heel, as we see in ROTS.

Luminara is my favorite Jedi, but I agree that her attitude seemed a little too detached in that situation.

HATE the new time slot, WTF does Cartoon Network have against Joss Whedon? LEAVE IT AT 8PM!
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: Keonobi on November 16, 2009, 04:39 PM
I was ok with the Separatists having a piece of equipment that was better than what the Republic had, my problem was that they were impervious to any damage.  Seemed like when the Republic anti-tank guns opened up, they should have maybe taken out the front two tanks, and then the rest of the tanks could have fired their mortars destroying all the Republic armor & artillery.  Or have one Separatist tank duelling against four or five AT-TEs.  But to not take any damage.  That was kind of lame.  I get that they had to establish them as super tough, that way when Ahsoka and Bariss used one to destroy the reactor, it would approach being believable that they would survive the explosion inside one (even if they had to cut a hole in the armor to get, and you'd think the fireball/shockwave/shrapnel would enter the tank the same way....).
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: Jesse James on November 16, 2009, 05:19 PM
Pretty much what Keonobi said...  Heavy artillery cannot destroy them?  Come on?  Seriously?

Like I noted, Jedi can cut them easily with their sabers...  But suddenly the big guns the Republic has do zero damage?  I can see one being a menace and tough to take down (like Keo said, multiple AT-TE's having to engage it), but being completely impervious is, at best, a plothole.  At worst it's writers just pulling something out their ass to make something more exciting.

The series has an element of realism to it often times, and with this it was lost completely.  "Super-weapon-of-the-week" syndrome.  I hope the series doesn't fall into that pattern.

I also agree with the tank's design being flawed...  The mortar guns are cool for sure, but having it look more tank-like with a main gun atop it would've been nice.  As it stands it's got anti-personnel guns at the front ala the troop transports, and mortars.  It's kind of a weird hap-hazard design.  I really disliked it a lot and think it's best left shelved at this point, which I hope is the case since they were describing it as their secret weapon, and the first ones rolling off the line I guess.  The Tiger-II, it is not though.  ::)

As far as Anakin's traits, I believe that possessiveness and the inability to let go are one in the same.  I don't see those as being different at all.  He'd waste 1000's of Clones to save Ahsoka, R2, and so on.  He's loyal to a fault, as far as the Jedi are concerned, but also it's greed ultimately.  They're just different ways of saying the same thing I think.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: Darby on November 17, 2009, 12:29 AM
I don't think of Luminara as being overly detached - she clearly displayed grief at the idea of losing Bariss.  She's a dyed in the wool Jedi, and the Jedi in this era are somewhat anti-septic.  They are emotionally and materially detached, and the series is starting to bring out some of the more buried themes of the PT.  The Jedi fail in some degree due to their attitude; Anakin fails in large part due to his.  Lucas wants to contrast detachment and possession.  The middle way seems to be his preference.  Luke ultimately succeeds through his attachment to his friends - he refuses to let them die, or let them go and in the end he defeats the Sith.

Luminara is compassionate, but like Obi Wan, a child of the Jedi Order.  It should make us uncomfortable that they seem so easy with loss; just as much as it should make us feel uncomfortable that our hero is a murderer.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: McMetal on November 17, 2009, 12:03 PM
After giving it some more thought, I believe the super tanks would have been the perfect opportunity to introduce cortosis to the Clone Wars storyline. There's a tangent you could milk for plenty of plotlines.

Also, I'd like to see some references to the Real Geonosian Super Weapon they are currently working on...the Death Star.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: Hobbie on November 19, 2009, 12:19 PM
Did you guys notice that there's a white AV-6R7 in the newest section of the comic?  And it's working on a star destroyer bridge, just like the one in Jedi!  Pretty neat, I thought.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: Darby on November 20, 2009, 09:49 PM
Another very good episode (and more Luminara, no one can complain).  And SW zombies (!) with a very nice SF twist on them.  Don't know if I need to see the nose worms go on for another episiode, but hey.  I loved it.  Great atmosphere and direction.  Obi/Ani were great in this. 
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: David on November 21, 2009, 12:34 AM
Yeah, very cool episode. The queen was awesome. 8)
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: Jesse James on November 21, 2009, 01:07 AM
Weird episode...  I liked the explanation for the zombies though.  It deviates somewhat from established EU (again) on the birthing process of Geonosians though...  at least it seemed to.

Definitely weird though.  Better than last week's episode by a mile though and it makes one wonder just how Poggle escapes eventually.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: Jayson on November 21, 2009, 01:44 AM
This episode had a huge Aliens feel. I was waiting for a clone to break down and say "game over man, game over".  :D
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: iFett on November 22, 2009, 07:54 PM
This episode had a huge Aliens feel. I was waiting for a clone to break down and say "game over man, game over".  :D

I actually caught this episode today thanks to the trusty Video Cassette Recorder remote I found and totally agree (Aliens was also on the boob tube today)  Especially when the "bleeps" started bleeping.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: Jesse James on November 23, 2009, 02:11 AM
This episode had a huge Aliens feel. I was waiting for a clone to break down and say "game over man, game over".  :D

That would've been a badass thing had it happened.

I'd heard someone saw some fan-fic project that crossed aliens over with Star Wars, and that helped fuel this episode...  Just something I heard somewhere, but I know the project they mentioned and it's a very cool mod to a game that mixed the two universes relatively seamlessly.  Be cool if it was true, but regardless I thought the whole thing was a neat episode, though a tad strange at times.

As an aside though, where's all the bounty hunter action?  So far color me unimpressed on that supposed Season 2 focus.   :-\
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: tmanthegreat on November 23, 2009, 11:41 AM
I enjoyed this episode as well.  While I've never been into the zombie thing much in any genera, I thought the way it was explained in this episode with the hive-mentality and worms was well done.  The episode also moved at a decent pace that did not seem too rushed...  Also, very classic interaction between Obi Wan and Anakin - and I had to almost chuckle about Obi Wan's insistence to "see what happens" when the Geonosians threatened to put the worm in Luminara.  The upcoming episode also looks like it will be another creep-out one.   
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: McMetal on November 23, 2009, 04:20 PM
Weird episode...  I liked the explanation for the zombies though.  It deviates somewhat from established EU (again) on the birthing process of Geonosians though...  at least it seemed to.

Definitely weird though.  Better than last week's episode by a mile though and it makes one wonder just how Poggle escapes eventually.

Hmm, personal bias speaking here, but IMHO Clone Wars trumps all other EU in terms of canonical reference priority. I'm willing to go with anything in the series over something that has yet to be realized in a visual medium. (Not saying one is better than the other, but if I had to pick which is probably more "accurate"...)

How do we know Poggle escapes again? My mind is blanking. I was thinking we never saw him again in the prequels after AOTC. Was he one of the Separatists cut down at Mustafar? (bad brain)

Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: Jesse James on November 23, 2009, 04:38 PM
He was on Mustafar at the end of ROTS with the rest of the good-time-gang.

And the birthing process of Geonosians WAS visualized to an extent. :)

EU is EU though...  This is just new so it's going to go over whatever it wants, like EU always seems to do.  I just dislike when it doesn't attempt to jive a little.  It's not a huge issue (how Geonosians are born) and it's not even really important either nor can it not be explained away as well.  Nothing major, just always catches my attention when EU isn't jiving with EU.  To me they could try harder but just don't because it's easier not to...  In some cases I think they're going to run into a situation where it's simply not possible to.

There's a ton of CW material out already so it's bound to clash I think at some point...  It's only a 3 year period! :)

I'd really like to see the CW toon bring out the ARCs and Republic Commandoes at some point...  I'm wondering if it'll happen at all, or not.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: Hobbie on November 23, 2009, 06:03 PM
EU is EU, and doesn't count.  Clone Wars is a Lucasfilm production with stories by George. 
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: Jesse James on November 23, 2009, 08:53 PM
That's not entirely true though...

The CW storylines aren't (at least not all of them, or even most) written by GL, even the movie.  GL has input, but he has had input into other EU as well...  He's had input on novels.  He had input on Zahn's Trilogy when it was being written because he didn't want certain things set up as they were due to starting his filming.  The majority is left to others to do though, and Dave Filloni's the guy doing most of the decision making on Clone Wars 3D, and he's trusted to do so.  That's why he has the whole "Plo Kool" stamp and stuff.

We've been over the whole "EU" topic again and again, but Lucasfilm's OWN stance is that the films are the only "canon" for lack of a better term...  This includes the novelization of Star Wars, partially written by George Lucas, but the films trumped that obviously and it has inconsistancies.  The only changes they've really made are that they don't like calling it continuity now I guess, and rather just call it another level of canon.  It's basically the same though.  Till they decide to change that stance though, then CW isn't being written and run entirely by Lucas himself, and it's not considered part of the 6 film saga, so it's still EU by LFL's definition.  

I don't recall having seen anything saying Lucas was writing the stories for Clone Wars 3D though.  That makes me wanna check the DVD more closely now, haha...  He's got input for sure, perhaps a lot more interest in it as well, and the things he personally approves could be considered as canon as the films, but who knows what all he approves and what he does not?  Hell, the original CW3D storyline was turned into a movie because Lucas saw it after it was either written or maybe roughly finished, and thought it'd make a good feature film launch rather than just television (you can even tell where episode breaks were if you're paying attention when watching the film).  There was even an interview with Lucas somewhere, where he said the stories of the Clone Wars didn't particularly interest him as much as they did everyone else, and that he really felt their story could be told better through other media (this was before the CW3D toon was announced though, probably during AOTC?) then because to him the Clone Wars were just a plot device about the story he wanted to tell (skywalkers), and so he was leaving it up to the other portions of his company to hash it out.  

I'm not saying anything BAD about Clone Wars, by the way, I'm just saying what Lucasfilm has put out there as their standards of canon and official continuity...  They're clear, it's not foggy or anything, and the CW3D series doesn't fall under their standards of canon...  When people are really into something I think they're quick to accept it as superior to other EU stuff to a degree, but ultimately it's all the same stuff in different forms of media...  Lucas's word is the gospel above all, but ultimately Clone Wars3D is "approved" just like Splinter of the Mind's Eye or a wealth of other materials.  I'm not mad at them when they dump on EU that's already established, I just think the writers could conjure up a little more correllation with the EU.  It'd be neat to me to see CW-era EU characters (other than Assajj) show up even, but it doesn't appear to be a priority or anything.  I'd like seeing some ARC Troopers though or something.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: tmanthegreat on December 5, 2009, 12:41 AM
Tonight's episode...  where the Geonosian worms infect the ship, the clones, Bariss Ofee... I'm very tempted to consider this the best episode of the season so far.

It was dark, creepy, and perhaps captured some of the conflicting emotions and feelings that should have been in ROTS better than that movie itself.  The worms infecting the clones and causing them to attack the Jedi had the Order 66 feel to it - even one of the clones commented that it was their duty to attack the Jedi.  Bariss coming under the control of the parasite and attacking Ashoka had the whole Jedi vs Sith (or Anakin vs Obi Wan) feel to it, though it ended on a more positive note.  Then there was Anakin's interrogation of Poggle - the most Vader-like Anakin has acted in the CW series, complete with Vader's musical theme (the Imperial March) playing in the background. 

Again, I really enjoyed this episode 8)
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: GrandMoffNick on December 5, 2009, 09:09 AM
Yeah watching Anakin's interrogation tactics was cool.

And I liked seeing Ahsoka and Barriss dueling.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: Darby on December 5, 2009, 11:15 AM
What was potentially a very blah episode was offset by a tremendous awareness of the Star Wars story.  Anakin's abuse of Poggle, his speech Ahsoka at the end of the show about attachments and the final shot - a very nicely done (and quitely done) forecasting of the fate of Anakin, the Republic and (?) Ahsoka.

The music has been lights out this year.  Loved the new clone trooper designs in this one, too.  Would have liked to have seen their helmets.  I am sort of glad for them to be off Geonosis now, though I enjoy they depicted how long and involved battles like this really are.  
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: Nicklab on December 7, 2009, 06:36 AM
Anakin's dark side moment was definitely a good use of foreshadowing about his eventual fate.  Although a more interesting turn would have been for him to hesitate a bit more before force choking Poggle.  It's good to see this kind of character development happening in the Clone Wars.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: Hobbie on December 8, 2009, 01:46 PM
That's not entirely true though...

The CW storylines aren't (at least not all of them, or even most) written by GL, even the movie.  GL has input, but he has had input into other EU as well...  He's had input on novels.  He had input on Zahn's Trilogy when it was being written because he didn't want certain things set up as they were due to starting his filming.  The majority is left to others to do though, and Dave Filloni's the guy doing most of the decision making on Clone Wars 3D, and he's trusted to do so.  That's why he has the whole "Plo Kool" stamp and stuff.

We've been over the whole "EU" topic again and again, but Lucasfilm's OWN stance is that the films are the only "canon" for lack of a better term...  This includes the novelization of Star Wars, partially written by George Lucas, but the films trumped that obviously and it has inconsistancies.  The only changes they've really made are that they don't like calling it continuity now I guess, and rather just call it another level of canon.  It's basically the same though.  Till they decide to change that stance though, then CW isn't being written and run entirely by Lucas himself, and it's not considered part of the 6 film saga, so it's still EU by LFL's definition.  

I don't recall having seen anything saying Lucas was writing the stories for Clone Wars 3D though.  That makes me wanna check the DVD more closely now, haha...  He's got input for sure, perhaps a lot more interest in it as well, and the things he personally approves could be considered as canon as the films, but who knows what all he approves and what he does not?  Hell, the original CW3D storyline was turned into a movie because Lucas saw it after it was either written or maybe roughly finished, and thought it'd make a good feature film launch rather than just television (you can even tell where episode breaks were if you're paying attention when watching the film).  There was even an interview with Lucas somewhere, where he said the stories of the Clone Wars didn't particularly interest him as much as they did everyone else, and that he really felt their story could be told better through other media (this was before the CW3D toon was announced though, probably during AOTC?) then because to him the Clone Wars were just a plot device about the story he wanted to tell (skywalkers), and so he was leaving it up to the other portions of his company to hash it out.  

I'm not saying anything BAD about Clone Wars, by the way, I'm just saying what Lucasfilm has put out there as their standards of canon and official continuity...  They're clear, it's not foggy or anything, and the CW3D series doesn't fall under their standards of canon...  When people are really into something I think they're quick to accept it as superior to other EU stuff to a degree, but ultimately it's all the same stuff in different forms of media...  Lucas's word is the gospel above all, but ultimately Clone Wars3D is "approved" just like Splinter of the Mind's Eye or a wealth of other materials.  I'm not mad at them when they dump on EU that's already established, I just think the writers could conjure up a little more correllation with the EU.  It'd be neat to me to see CW-era EU characters (other than Assajj) show up even, but it doesn't appear to be a priority or anything.  I'd like seeing some ARC Troopers though or something.


I've posted this before, but you need to read this interview: http://theforce.net/jedicouncil/interview/henrygilroyanddavefiloni.asp

CW is not EU.  All season 2 (and last half of season 1) stories came straight from George, and he has day-to-day involvement in all aspects of the show. 

Lucasfilm productions = canon

others: Darkhorse, Marvel, etc = EU.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: Jesse James on December 8, 2009, 03:17 PM
That's an interesting read Hobbie, but I think there's two different things...

Lucas considers the storyline Star Wars...  I can buy that.  He's there, he's got deep-seeded interest.  I can see that being arguably not EU then.  But there's a second level of Clone Wars that I think is...  The "details".  The Y-Wing, for instance...  It's intended to be (according to designers) the Original Trilogy Y-Wings in every way, but its backstory has been rewritten so that it's a different model of the Y-Wing that's larger, and that OT Y-Wings are a later-model ship.

So which is it then? 

That's the kind of stuff I'm talking about mostly...  There are details there that Lucas is 100% not involved in, and could honestly give a poop about, and that's the kind of stuff that is still EU and up to the viewer/reader to decide.

The storylines I can see the argument they're not EU though if Lucas has become involved in each one...  Still, he is only pitching ideas as noted in that interview and NOT writing the stories, so I still say Lucas is just steering the ship some, so I think there's grey area there.  But that was less my point I think anyway.  The details I think are still part of the EU.

For the record I don't dislike CW at all, and I consider it part of SW in every way...  It's better to me than E1 and E2 for certain.  I consider it at least on par with ROTS, and I loved ROTS as much as the OT pretty much.  To me personally, CW3D is Star Wars in every way that the Prequals didn't really live up to.  At least the first 2.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: Darth Broem on December 24, 2009, 11:23 AM
So far I am actually enjoying season 2 more than season 1.   Yeah, in the last episode Anakin telling the clonetroopers to "leave us" was a nice nod to ROTS.  Gotta like his interrogation tactics.  They are definately showing his attachement to Ahsoka this season along with that other episode where she was trapped underneath the ground and Luminara was basically resigned to the fact that the padawans were dead.  I like the angle anyway. 
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: tmanthegreat on December 28, 2009, 03:46 PM
So when exactly do the new episodes for Season 2 start again?  Thanks!
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: GrandMoffNick on December 28, 2009, 03:49 PM
So when exactly do the new episodes for Season 2 start again?  Thanks!

Hour long episode (or two 30 minute ones) on New Years
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: Nicklab on January 1, 2010, 10:16 PM
Nice to see that good ol' George Lucas is continuing to do away with established EU.  In this case Eeth Koth's supposed death in a Gunship explosion at the battle of Geonosis.  It was cool to see his character explored a little along with Adi Gallia.

It was also nice to see some more ships in the Republic fleet.  Anakin's shuttle seemed like a precursor to the Theta class shuttle.  And Obi-Wan's ship was like a cross between a Star Destroyer and a blockade runner.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: Scott on January 2, 2010, 03:23 PM
While it was cool to see Eeth and Adi I think the tired plot of Grievous torturing Jedi and narrowly escaping while battling Kenobi is getting old.

The second episode was probably the worst of the year IMO.  My boys were actually bored...and so was I. 
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: GrandMoffNick on January 3, 2010, 10:02 AM
While it was cool to see Eeth and Adi I think the tired plot of Grievous torturing Jedi and narrowly escaping while battling Kenobi is getting old.

The second episode was probably the worst of the year IMO.  My boys were actually bored...and so was I. 

I couldn't disagree more on the second episode. I loved seeing a clone who felt differently and to see him even plant some seeds in Rex's mind.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: Jesse James on January 3, 2010, 04:33 PM
I sort of agree with Scott, but I'd be more foregiving of the episode if they'd killed someone off.  Grievous is somewhat pussified in the series I think, whereas he was a badass in the 2D series.

I prefer the badass.

The second episode I think was a little flat too.  Not my favorite, but I liked the other action around the desserter thing...  Plus there's a Clone with my name, obviously that made the episode great.  :-X

The whole desserter thing was dull though I thought.  I like the idea that some Clones do make their own decisions and leave, but that was almost a whole sidestory to what was actually interesting that was going on.

I also think it was lame to have a single small rocket launcher blow up an AT-TE from what one would consider probably pretty tough spot on it (directly in front).  Bazooka's didn't really do damage to tanks if you shot them in the front like that, so I found that lame from a military POV.  Sometimes the little things irk me more than bigger stuff I guess.

Anyway, not the best and not the worst.  That's my take on Friday's stuff.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: Nicklab on January 3, 2010, 05:04 PM
While it was cool to see Eeth and Adi I think the tired plot of Grievous torturing Jedi and narrowly escaping while battling Kenobi is getting old.

The second episode was probably the worst of the year IMO.  My boys were actually bored...and so was I. 

I couldn't disagree more on the second episode. I loved seeing a clone who felt differently and to see him even plant some seeds in Rex's mind.


Sounds like possible foreshadowing to me.  Especially with the whole Mandalorian plotline yet to be explored.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: iFett on January 3, 2010, 05:56 PM
Looks like they pimped out the vehicles in the first episode ala the Y-Wing episode.  Wonder if Hasbro will throw us a bone there.  Was nice to see some new CW stuff on tv again.

I also think it was lame to have a single small rocket launcher blow up an AT-TE

The AT-TE's seem to blow up entirely too easy which is pretty sucky.  Certianly not a "bad ass" vehicle if it keeps getting blown up left and right.  Poor Turbo Tank - where the hell is that thing  ???

blah blah figures - plots...yadda yadda   :)
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: Master_Phruby on January 3, 2010, 06:00 PM
I too am getting tired of the Grevious torchering Jedi and then running away plotline. I though it would have been better if Eeth really was killed right in front of the Jedi. I guess that might be a little too much for a kids show.

The second episode was better where Rex finds the deserter. I always like the stories with the clones and how they deal with each other.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: Jayson on January 4, 2010, 01:45 PM
I loved both episodes - the first one for the awesome Jedi Cruisers, the Jedi Shuttle* and of course the lightsaber duels. I really liked Anakin's tactic for "jumping" so close to the separatist ship in order to covertly board it.

As for the Grievous plot line, it is a bit monotonous theme at times, but I think it does play well into what Mace said at the beginning of ROTS to Palpatine about how Grievous is a coward and always runs away. Also with Grievous always running away, it makes Obi-Wan's final victory over him more satisfying especially for the young viewers who might not have seen ROTS yet.

To the point regarding the apparent glass jawed AT-TE, maybe they were crippled because of a special warhead on the launcher or they are just that powerful as they seem to take out many of the republic's craft like the Attack Shuttle from the Rookies episode.

*As Nick, mentioned l really enjoyed the nod to the concept work (http://twitpic.com/wknd3) for the OT, ROTJ specifically, with the Jedi Shuttle.

The second episode, I thought, was great exposition in establishing how not all clone are equal despite their breeding and outward appearance. The clones for the most part are looked at as tools and canon fodder by the republic, and the Jedi to some extent, and episodes like this go a long way in showing the humanity of the soldiers. Granted it probably wasn't the most exciting story wise for kids, but it was a more mature episode for parents to watch with them.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: Pete_Fett on January 4, 2010, 05:18 PM
While I'm not trying to make excuses for the rocket launcher taking out the AT-TE, in AOTC, if I remember correctly, a Hailfire droid fired some missiles out of it's missile rack that easily took out an AT-TE, who's to say that this isn't a scaled down version of the same warhead technology?

Also, keeping in mind that Darth Sidious is controlling both sides of the war, it's not like he's going to give either side's forces equipment that will be 100% resistant to enemy fire, if he made it so the Republic could kick the Seperatists asses, the war would have been over in months instead of years and then he'd have to come up with some other plot. He purposely wants the war to drag on and on so that the Jedi are blamed for the war dragging. So what if he puts armor on the AT-TE and then has warheads specifically developed that can penetrate that armor and sells them at an inflated cost to the Separatist Union? To take us even further down the rabbit hole, it could cost him X to make one of those missiles and instead he sells it for 10X to the Separatists and funnels the profit into developing better tech for the day when he finally allows the republic to "win" and he needs to have the forces at his disposal to maintain power/control.

So again, like I said, those are definitely EU explanations to the situation. For me personally, I just try to enjoy the show for what it is - more Star Wars!!!
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: Jesse James on January 4, 2010, 07:48 PM
While I'm not trying to make excuses for the rocket launcher taking out the AT-TE, in AOTC, if I remember correctly, a Hailfire droid fired some missiles out of it's missile rack that easily took out an AT-TE, who's to say that this isn't a scaled down version of the same warhead technology?

You're right, however that's apples/oranges in terms of comparison...  A Hailfire Droid is, essentially, another tank...  Scaling down the Hailfire's rockets, why not then just have smaller rockets so you could load a Hailfire up with two or three times as much ammunition, ya know?  I mean if they're both equally capable of destroying a large piece of armor from dead center in front, why would you even bother with the larger weapon when you can double-up (or more) the smaller one?

See that's the kind of logic I'm applying...  Sure it's just a TV show and all, but it just disappoints me when they go to the trouble of showing a droid sniper with a spotter, and even getting the lingo down to "take the shot", but then they have a behemoth piece of armor get taken out, from the front and a logically heavily armored piece of the vehicle, by a shoulder-mounted launcher. 

I could see it from the rear, the top, or the belly...  The front just really seemed lame to me I guess.

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Also, keeping in mind that Darth Sidious is controlling both sides of the war, it's not like he's going to give either side's forces equipment that will be 100% resistant to enemy fire, if he made it so the Republic could kick the Seperatists asses, the war would have been over in months instead of years and then he'd have to come up with some other plot. He purposely wants the war to drag on and on so that the Jedi are blamed for the war dragging. So what if he puts armor on the AT-TE and then has warheads specifically developed that can penetrate that armor and sells them at an inflated cost to the Separatist Union? To take us even further down the rabbit hole, it could cost him X to make one of those missiles and instead he sells it for 10X to the Separatists and funnels the profit into developing better tech for the day when he finally allows the republic to "win" and he needs to have the forces at his disposal to maintain power/control.

Is Palpatine even involved in the development of equipment though?  Again I'd think not, and that he wouldn't try balancing things like that...  It's not that the AT-TE can't be stopped either, it's that it shouldn't be taken out easily where it was.  That's just the writers not thinking it through IMO.  If one droid with a rocket launcher can do that much damage, why even bother with the armor?  There's been personal anti-tank weaponry since there have been tanks on Earth, but they're generally not able to stop one that easily.  Bazooka rounds in WW2 often just bounced off German armor.  Modern weapons often are designed to hit from above.  It just was a moment of wanting an explosion and not wanting to put much thought into it I guess.

There's a pretty established balance in Star Wars as far as firepower goes, and that moment in the toon just seemed lame and off that balance.  I don't dislike the idea though, of tank hunter droids like those.  Just how easily poorly it turned out is all.

In the OT, a military advisor was actually used quite a bit, especially for the first two films giving his thoughts and input.  I liked that aspect of the OT and of SW in general I guess, so I'm always disappointed when anything in goes too simple I think.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: Darby on January 4, 2010, 11:22 PM
My thinking on the AT TE is that it's somewhat similar to early Sherman's - very poorly armored.  It has a glass cockpit, after all.  The Republic/Empire eventually develops heavier, bigger walkers.

I liked both episodes.  Nowhere near the heights of early this year, but entertaining.  The Deserter felt like foreshadowing to me, too.  Rex gets some exposure to the most fundamental dilemma of a clone's life - is he just another solider?  Will he blindly follow orders during Order 66 as Cody does?  His fate and Ahsoka's are the most unknown, and probably the connected (ROTS SE - wait for it).

Grievous - they've turned him into the ultimate coward.  He won't even fight unless he's got a posse with him.  In a way, I like it; it's a unique (for SW) take on a bad guy.  The total wimp.  On the other hand, he's got four lightsabers, four bodyguards and and all those droids, and he still can't kill anybody.  He's completely worthless as a threat and I check out of the scene dramatically when he comes on.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: Jesse James on January 4, 2010, 11:35 PM
I think all it takes is him offing some Jedi...  Turn back to Grievous in the 2D toon, and he's a badass because he kills Jedi for ***** and giggles.  The concept of him was even that he had sabers because he took them as trophies.

That's been lost somewhere, and it's perpetuated by the 3D series tremendously.  They need to regain it with some Jedi getting killed.  I see no issues with how it will impact children either.  We've seen Jedi get offed by him before to some extent, but more grotesquely we've seen him torture...  What he needs is some Master scalps on his belt, not just some over-zealous Padawan or something.  He pwned Ahsoka...  What we need to see is him pwn Obi-Wan and have him escape, or see him execute some Jedi Knights/Masters that are of no consequence like he did in the 2D series.

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My thinking on the AT TE is that it's somewhat similar to early Sherman's - very poorly armored.  It has a glass cockpit, after all.  The Republic/Empire eventually develops heavier, bigger walkers.

Again though, I'm not saying the AT-TE can't be taken out with a rocket fired by an individual...  I'm saying it's lame that the thing can be shot in the face, its likely most armored spot, by a guy with a rocket.  Not to mention that if you had a design flaw that vastly screwed up, you'd have that fixed lickity split.

Also I like to think an AT-TE's "glass" is presumably "transparisteel" like fighters and other armor have (all in EU stuff)...  Not to say it isn't weaker though, I've never seen anything saying one way or another on that.  Still though the rocket hits below the cockpit it seems, but still right in front...  It's an insanely silly thing to me.  There's just a lot of illogical thought there.  I'm sure it's not something the writers are thinking much about, but it's one of those things that the cartoon has that sticks in my craw, as they say.  It's like completely skipping established EU because they just don't feel like incorporating it.

For sure though it didn't ruin the episode.  It was one small thing is all... 

I enjoyed the first episode much more than the second from the restart of the new season.  I'd really like to see them beef up Grievous a bit though.  By ROTS the Separatists are winning...  It's hinted at in the early part of these episodes that the Seps win more than they lose, but why can't we ever witness them doing anything damaging to the Republic?  I'd like to see it balanced at least a bit more.  Some narrow escapes by the Jedi, rather than Grievous, would be good for the series I think.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: Jeff on January 4, 2010, 11:51 PM
I think all it takes is him offing some Jedi...

Poor Nahdar Vebb.   :-\

I think Grievous whacking some Jedi isn't a bad idea.  There's not much else they can do with him.  No one can beat him until RotS, so the "running away" gambit will probably be his major move for a while unforunately.

My assumption is that this is why 80s cartoons always had to keep adding new villians to the mix.  Cobra Commander and Skeletor could only "run away" at the end of the episodes so many time before it got played out and they had to bring in a Seprentor or a Hordak to re-start the cycle.   :P
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: Jesse James on January 5, 2010, 01:57 AM
Vebb was a start.  I liked that story a lot...  It'd be nice to see him off someone of some importance though...  Like the 2D version of Grievous who tore up how many Jedi/Padawans in one sequence?  Then did it again in the series finale leading into ROTS's invasion of Coruscant.

That Grievous is sorely missed.

I'm not saying he should go on some great Jedi-killing swath of course, or touch the main guys we see in ROTS, but why not off Eeth Sloth or something?  He's gotta start tearing it up...  then when reprisal comes, he runs away.  That's more interesting. :)

They could also have him maybe WIN against Obi-Wan or another master, but that Jedi narrowly escapes.

So far we've only seen Ahsoka just barely escape him...  Kit Fisto was even completely outclassed and almost beat him somehow. 

I'm just a little disappointed.  ROTS set the tone for mediocrity with him I guess.  He's gotta be made some kind of a threat or menace to work though.  Why fear something that is such a *****, ya know?  It's like having some huge muscle-bound freak of a bodyguard covered in tattoos and scars, and then when he talks you hear that squeaky Mike Tyson voice or something...  It's a letdown.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: Pete_Fett on January 5, 2010, 08:18 AM
Is Palpatine even involved in the development of equipment though?  Again I'd think not, and that he wouldn't try balancing things like that... 

First off Jesse, I see all of your points, so please don't think I'm trying to start an argument. I actually enjoy discussing stuff like this in Star Wars so you'll forgive me....

I think the role of Palpatine/Sidious is the most important part of the Clone Wars there is. He has orchestrated the conflict entirely.

What are his end goals:

1) Eventually beat down entitities like the Corporate Alliance and the Trade Federation so that when his Empire is born, no independant entities could ever stage a rebellion against him

2) Discredit the Jedi and make them seem to be the reason for the war in the first plance AND why the war raged on for as long as it did

The second point contains the crux of my point - making sure the engagement goes on as long as possible. By supplying weapons and controlling the strength of the weapons on both sides, he can ensure that the conflict continues on for a while. Sure, he's not in the weapons development lab trying physically developing the weapons, but he could be passing on schematics to Dooku who in turn works with weapons engineers to develop the weapons that would exploit inherit weaknesses. By then controlling the rockets at the same rate as the construction of AT-TEs the balance on that level can be controlled.

Keep in mind that Dooku was also funnelling Separatist money into projects that Palpatine was running for the Republic. So it's almost like the case of the $500 toilet seat from the 80s. Perhaps the reality of the situation in the Clone Wars is that Dooku/Sidious are overcharging the Seperatists so much for the rocket launcher that they end up with enough money to build a replacement AT-TE for each one the droids destroy?


Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: Brian on January 5, 2010, 10:18 AM
I think Jesse brings up a good point too.  I really liked the way Grievous was portrayed in the original CW 2D series as well, and wouldn't mind seeing more of that here.  That brings up another topic....I think we all enjoy the current CW series quite a bit, but looking at it now, would you rather have this or full episodes of the previous 2D shorts?  The animation of the new series has really grown on me, and I've always loved the ships/action in this version - but that original 2D series sure was exciting to watch as well (and I liked that animation as well).  I can't say I dislike either one really at all, and probably would have been pretty happy either way.  I used to be more of a fan of "traditional" animation (not the computer/CGI type stuff) in cartoons, but like I said, it has grown on me a lot in the last couple years.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: Scott on January 5, 2010, 11:43 AM
I think all it takes is him offing some Jedi...

My assumption is that this is why 80s cartoons always had to keep adding new villians to the mix.  Cobra Commander and Skeletor could only "run away" at the end of the episodes so many time before it got played out and they had to bring in a Seprentor or a Hordak to re-start the cycle.   :P

(http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/starwars/images/b/b2/Cad_Bane.jpg)
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: Jeff on January 5, 2010, 11:55 AM
Exactly.

And when kids get tired of him running away, they'll introduce the Mandalorians... who will also go on to lose fights to Ani/Obi and then run away at the end.  It's the circle of life for cartoons.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: Jesse James on January 6, 2010, 01:14 AM
Is Palpatine even involved in the development of equipment though?  Again I'd think not, and that he wouldn't try balancing things like that... 

First off Jesse, I see all of your points, so please don't think I'm trying to start an argument. I actually enjoy discussing stuff like this in Star Wars so you'll forgive me....

I'm right with you, so no worries.  I'm not angry or anything so don't worry, it's good conversation I think.

I think you make good points too about Palpatine's puppetry of the whole thing too, I just see it more as the technology is balancing itself...  a tank's armor is met with anti-tank weaponry that's superior.  I'm not much of a super weapon guy though, but I could see your idea applying more to stuff like those seismic tanks for instance from the 2D cartoon...

Those are kind of a "super weapon" being deployed by the Seps, and so I think it makes sense that maybe Palpatine would want to keep something like that from turning the tide of war somehow, let it slip out that they have some weakness or flaw...  The AT-TE is, to me, just a random piece of armor that wouldn't be particularly special in any way really except in that it would be technologically on par with whatever the common armor is the Seps are using...  It may give something up for firepower or armor, such as speed or maneuverability for instance, but at the end of the day it's a basic piece of equipment...  So I don't really see the Palpatine Puppet thing applying as much to the "basics" if that makes sense.

I just see the idea that the "control" of the balance of war on that level is too complex or impractical...  I think that works well for super weapons, but not the basic equipment of war like fighters, and other mainline equipment.  Does it end there or go all the way to pistols, ya know?

To me the AT-TE being taken out, dead front, from a personal rocket launcher, is just always going to be an illogical "plot hole" (not that it impacts the plot, it's something to be simply ignored to me), for lack of a better term.  It just says to me that the writers were being sort of careless in a sense...  I'd like to think better of them, and generally they are, but this is just one instance I was let down.

To the contrary I liked the droid snipers being taken seriously...  Not just someone out running around with a good gun, but rather a team showing tactics and things.  It was a little detail I appreciated. 

I'd have much rather seen them try for such detail with the AT-TE...  Maybe a small ambush from the sides, and a rocket up into the recessed hip joint of an AT-TE takes it out like shooting the tracks of a tank to disable its advance.  I think it would've looked cooler and more "realistic", if that can be applied loosely to the conversation.  :-X
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: Pete_Fett on January 6, 2010, 07:51 AM
One of the things that irks my step-son about the series is that the Clones seem incredibly over-used as fodder.

He's read all of Karen Traviss' books (I have not) and he tells me that in the books, she makes a big deal about how the kill ratio of Clones to Droids is like 50:1 and the reason she did this was because there's no way they'd be able to grow clones at the same rate as manufacturing droids.

While I think that every clone being able to take out 50 droids is a bit ridiculous (and if the series is to be believed, it seems that Rex and Cody and single-handedly skewing the averages) but Traviss does have a point so there has to be a happy medium somewhere in between or eventually the Republic would run out of Clones. Maybe 5:1 is a more realistic ration, I don't know - there needs to be a man-to-man advantage the Clones have over the Droids, simply because the Clones have the ability to think for themselves on a much more advanced level and the only droids the Seps have that even come close to that seem to be the Commando Droids.

The example others have mentioned where Grievous tortures the "elder Jedi of the week" and then runs when Obi-Wan and/or Anakin come onto the scene being redundant at this point, is the same as how I feel about how an episode will start off with Rex and/or Cody and a squad of Clones - by the end of the episode lots of times, the only Clones left are Rex and Cody. If you're a Clone and you never take your helmet off, you might as well adorn your armor with a target symbol on your chest because it seems the pattern is that if you never show your face, you're canon fodder.

I understand it's a kids show (with a TV-PG rating) but at some point, they are going to need to start dealing with the heavier issues of war or the end of the show won't match up with ROTS - it just won't.

Only Gree and Cody are in ROTS - that means that Rex either leaves the 501st or he's killed. Ashoka is nowhere to be seen, Anakin is being driven to the Dark Side by nightmares of Padme dying - are these spurred on by the loss of Ashoka or is Ashoka off on her own now with her own squad of troops and if so, is GL going to add an Order 66 scene of them killing Ashoka in the Special Edition of ROTS that will be released on Blu Ray within the next decade?

I'm really surprised that GL hasn't let Filoni introduce the Dark Jedi who defect over to Dooku's side like Sora Bulq and Tol Skorr. What about Quinlan Vos, Villie and Master Tholme? Or are they never going to cross-polinate with the characters from the Republic Comic Series that was the first EU media used to tell what went on during the Clone Wars. Heck, where is Dirge? Why haven't they used him?

My biggest fear is that at some point they are going to reach a point where all of the comics, books and even the 2D series can't co-exist with the 3D CW series after it's had its five season run.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: Nicklab on January 7, 2010, 04:51 PM
*As Nick, mentioned l really enjoyed the nod to the concept work (http://twitpic.com/wknd3) for the OT, ROTJ specifically, with the Jedi Shuttle.

WOW, awesome catch Jayson!  That is totally the concept design for the Imperial Shuttle.  Funny thing is, it's been done in toy form before in Galoob's Action Fleet line as the Series Alpha Imperial Shuttle (http://www.rebelscum.com/photo.asp?image=toys/mmalphashuttle.jpg).
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: Jesse James on January 7, 2010, 11:51 PM
Filloni's commentary on SW.com about this episode directly addressed Eeth Sloth and his resurrection...  He says he went to everyone and there wasn't visual confirmation of Sloth's death, so he went to Lucas and asked if Eeth Koth can be alive, and Lucas just simply said sure...

This is why CW3D is messed up at times. :)

He also said he didn't off Eeth Sloth at the beginning, which was planned, because he doesn't like it when they introduce a cool character only to kill them off (how often does that honestly happen?  Has it ever happened to anyone but Vebb?  At least from the good guy's POV anyway.).

So ok, Eeth Sloth's alive, but was he even that "cool" to anyone?  He's as interesting as any of the Jedi for sure, but he's cannon fodder since he has a pretty solid replacement waiting in the wings almost identical to him.

I dunno, it's still lame he didn't get killed by Grievous at the onset.  That would've had much greater impact.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: Pete_Fett on January 8, 2010, 07:15 AM
I honestly thought this episode was going to kill off TWO Jedi - both Eeth Koth and Adi Gallia are MIA in ROTS, so who knows whether or not they really care about the Comic Book stories of the Clone Wars.

Perhaps because Star Wars: Obsession was the Dark Horse lead-in to ROTS, they are going to leave it alone (one can only hope).

Keep in mind of course, that the only reason we even have Eeth Koth/Agen Kolar and Adi Gallia/Stass Allie is because GL was too cheap to fly the original extras to Australia for the filming of EP2 and EP3. I guess we should consider ourselves lucky that he put Silas Carson into both Ki-Adi-Mundi and Nute Gunray costumes which necessitated him making a flight to Australia for EP2 and EP3.

Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: Brian on January 8, 2010, 10:35 AM
I agree, I think it would have more impact if Grievous offed a jedi here or there once in awhile (Vebb aside).  Also, this is sort of off topic, but this is an example of why I sometimes have problems with the EU stuff.  There is just so much of it out there these days, something is always contradicting something else anymore.  Now, I'm not someone that has read a lot of EU, so I guess I don't get as upset (or am even aware) as many others are...but I think it is tough not to step on stuff here and there anymore.

I sort of look like things with Lucas' involvement take precedence over everything else (the movies, and now the series), but at the same time I can see why it can be annoying when things are always changing.  Heck we're already seeing things that might have to be changed/explained/resolved with the movies and CW, at least as far as Ahsoka and Rex go (and the fact that there is no mention of Ahsoka at all, after a fairly significant relationship with both Anakin and Obi-Wan.

Again, off topic a bit, but I think the EU in general could stand to be condensed (seems like we say this a lot about Star Wars this day).  I know I'd be more inclined to get into it if it wasn't so overwhelming at this point with all of the books and new releases.  If they had less books each year, and made each one a "major" release, it might help a lot of things.  I know back in the days of the Thrawn trilogy and others were towards the top of the bestsellers lists, and I don't know if that is the case with SW novels anymore (although it might be, I don't keep track of that a lot).  Anyways, back on topic now... :).
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: Jesse James on January 8, 2010, 09:31 PM
Kind of perplexing why there's not a new episode on tonight...  They just came back, and already a re-run?  This show's good, but it's certainly patience-testing with them pissing around showing new episodes.  I thought we were past the "holiday break" they felt was necessary.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: Darby on January 8, 2010, 10:10 PM
I don't mind - watch Dollhouse!   ;D

I would like to see more from Grievous and the bad guys in general.  I give the show a lot of credit for a fairly sophisticated approach to war for a cartoon, but I'd like to see the enemy own the Jedi/Clones at some stage. 
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: GrandMoffNick on January 23, 2010, 09:21 AM
I feel indifferent about last night's episode.

I am very excited for next week. Obi Wan with his lightsaber battling a Mandalore with a Beskar sword. SWEET
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: David on January 23, 2010, 10:17 AM
It feels like I've said this a few times this season, but wow, last night's episode may be one of the best so far. That ancient Jedi guy was a lot of fun and it was nice to get a little break from clones and droids. AND did anyone else notice what looked like one of the Tonnikas when Jocasta Nu was surfing the web? I might be wrong, but it looked like one of the star whores.

Anyway, I thought last night's episode was really awesome.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: Scott on January 23, 2010, 11:08 AM
Yeah I caught that David, and it was a neat easter egg.  I immediatlely thought that it might lead to an action figure.  One can hope I guess :-\

The "bounty hunter" thing really didn't make much sense though and I was a little confused on the plot I guess (as to why they wanted the lightsaber to begin with) But it was still a fun episode.  Next week though looks like it kicks all sorts of ass and I can't wait to start building more Madalorian armies.  I hope though is that they can somehow make them more realistic than animated looking figures.  Sort of like the clones only beefier I guess
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: Jeff on January 23, 2010, 12:54 PM
I immediatlely thought that it might lead to an action figure.  One can hope I guess :-\

Won't that be a fun day in the forums when they reveal an animated Tonnika Sister in the CW line despite constantly rejecting them over in the movie line... I'm sure everyone will love that.   :-X

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Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: Brian on January 23, 2010, 08:08 PM
I actually enjoyed this episode more than I initially thought I would as well, and I liked the character of Master Sinube too.  Like it was mentioned, nice Easter Egg with the Tonnika Sister (mentioned on the Official Site's write up as well...specifically Brea Tonnika).  Like it has been said though, the good stuff looks like it is on the way next week.  I've enjoyed the season quite a bit overall, but I've really been looking forward to the appearances of the Mandalorians (and hopefully, eventually the Bossk/bounty hunter stuff).  Looking forward to next week.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: tmanthegreat on January 23, 2010, 09:35 PM
I enjoyed the episode and glad to see others did as well.  Master Sinube was cool and it was good to see an episode that moved more slowly and which shed more light onto the daily lives of both the Jedi, the common citizens, and the criminal underworld.  There were lots of cool little details in the episode that I liked such as the aforementioned Tonnika sister, the train, and even the Chancellor Palpatine propaganda sign.  The episode seemed to have some elements influenced by scenes from Attack of the Cones, particularly all the chases through the Coruscant cityscape.  My favorite scene, just for laughs, was when Ashoka and Master Sinube commandeered the bike and went polking along while holding up the busy traffic lanes - typical old person driving :P
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: Brian on January 26, 2010, 10:39 AM
A short clip (http://www.theforce.net/latestnews/story/Preview_TCW_The_Madalore_Plot_129004.asp) is up for this week's episode, really looking forward to it.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: Jesse James on January 26, 2010, 11:33 PM
I finally got to watch this episode Sunday night, and after seeing people's thoughts before I watched it, I actually liked it.  Maybe I was setting myself up for some disappointment, but as a sort of one-off episode, I really enjoyed it a lot.

I felt that the ancient Jedi, which looked kind of like Yakface for some reason (is that to be the same species?  I couldn't tell), was pretty well played out.  I liked his old-fart driving through coruscant, but that all his patience played out as a major point of the story, then at the end he's got a friggin' sweet saber.  Sure he's old, but he'd probably make one of the more interesting characters as a figure IMO.

I thought Ahsoka's chases with the girl that had the thick thighs were really well done, very suspenseful...  Seeing the commentary on SW.com, I'm glad they covered what Palpatine was saying as I was actually 100% interested in hearing it.  Knowing now that it's a subtle attempt to build upon things we then finally see in ROTS is really great.  That's quality work by the creative team working on Clone Wars I think.

I liked how it all came down to two freakish chick aliens and things.  I still didn't totally understand WHY they did what they did, but I thought it worked well to get us to the point where Ahsoka's found her saber and now needs to get it back.

I liked seeing the scummy side of Coruscant, the coughing (and probably drunk) alien in a stooper on the street, and things...

I know it's a budget issue but it's funny seeing that apparantly the underworld of Coruscant is covered in Twi'Leks, Weequay, Rodians, the odd Ithorian or Aqualish, the one fish guy that stole the thing, and then that's about it...  Oh, of course till you get to the apartment and then there's 2 new aliens (both very cool) that must've eaten up the alien budget this week, and then Gha Nacht appears to have a twin lying there croaked. :P

Creating new characters digitally's part of the cost, so I kid the Clone Wars team, but I still find it funny that Coruscant's got a pretty sparse variety of aliens wandering the streets. :)

As a customizer, I really liked seeing the Speeders and things.  I felt there was some good inspiration there, and among the aliens wandering around. 

The fishy chick was fantastic.  Sideways eyelids?  You gotta love that.

This is one of my more favored Season 2 episodes so far...  Nothing's compared to Landing at Point Rain yet though.  That's just exquisite Clone-Warring to me.  The upcoming Mandalore stuff though, that's an interesting direction to go for the series...  Mandalore and its place in the galaxy?  I'm game for this completely. :)
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: Darth Broem on January 29, 2010, 06:08 PM
Yeah, I enjoyed Lost Lightsaber for all of the things you mentioned above.  I really liked the old Jedi quite a bit and hope they make a nice figure out of him eventually.  I am definately looking forward to the Mandalorian Warriors and how they portray them.  I also liked the fact that Cassie was not a Dark Jedi, Dathomir Witch, Bounty Hunter, Sidious's daughter, or Count Dooku's, mistress, etc.  Just a bratty crime kid.  Although I guess they could make her into any of those things. 
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: iFett on January 29, 2010, 07:21 PM
I'm terrible with SW names, but that "old Jedi" reminded me of one of those things in The Dark Crystal.

Mandos are on deck tonight - hope I have some time left on my tape that has 5 hours of 24 on there.   :-\
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: Jayson on January 29, 2010, 09:18 PM
Skeksis
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: JDH1173 on January 30, 2010, 11:52 AM
Well, I can now see why Karen Traviss didn't bother with another Commando book with this new view of the Mando's...... ::)
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: David on January 30, 2010, 06:35 PM
I think last night's episode was extremely underwhelming.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: Hobbie on January 30, 2010, 08:27 PM
I hated that black lightsaber.  I can't believe Lucas actually approved that thing.  Talk about screaming EU.  Even if it was like a thousand years old or something.

I like the idea of "third parties" to the Clone Wars, resisting both Jedi and the Seps, so its kinda too bad the Mandalores will just be another force for the Seps after all.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: Keonobi on January 30, 2010, 09:54 PM
I don't know if its just because I read about Karen Traviss's vision of Mandalorian culture first, but I'm not enjoying the Clone Wars version.  Of the two the Clone Wars feels more wonky and less authentic.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: GrandMoffNick on January 31, 2010, 10:20 AM
I don't know if its just because I read about Karen Traviss's vision of Mandalorian culture first, but I'm not enjoying the Clone Wars version.  Of the two the Clone Wars feels more wonky and less authentic.

I think you hit right on why I didn't really like these Mandos.

And I thought that black lightsaber thing was going to be a Beskar sword from the metal they mine, not some weird ass lightsaber
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: Jesse James on February 1, 2010, 01:24 AM
I didn't mind this week's episode, but last week's was better.  That says a lot when the Mando-whoring was rolled out and it was bested by a one-off that was heavy on Ahsoka. :)

I liked the Mando's and I've read some (working on the others) of the Rep Commando novels.  I'm sure they'll find some half-assed way to cram it all together in some fashion, as only LFL seems capable of doing, but I thought these guys were ok I guess...  I found it a little strange with how the Mando's are trying to abandon their warrior past and things, but whatever.

I liked Mandalore's cities, and the environments of the episode in general.  I thought the characters were all pretty neat too, but it was an episode very heavy in introduction to characters and places, that's for sure. 
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: Brian on February 1, 2010, 10:46 AM
I enjoyed the episode quite a bit, but I have to admit that I've never read any of the Karen Traviss stuff (or any other EU source of Mandalore stuff), so I didn't have that working against it.  It was nice to see Obi-Wan featured again, as it doesn't always seem like he gets a ton of solo episodes (at least so far).  I agree, Mandalore itself was pretty nifty...and I know I'll be picking up the figs of those warriors/Pre Vizla/etc. if/when they are released.  This is another example of where it is too bad Hasbro doesn't have enough lead time to have some of these out on the pegs near the episodes airing time.  I suppose it is a bit hard to coordinate that, but I'm sure kids (and collectors) would like that.  See the "cool" new character of the week, and be able to pick it up shortly later (instead of during the next season, as happened with Cad Bane, etc.)
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: ruiner on February 4, 2010, 05:26 PM
I'd just like to say that one episode of this animated series is usually better than any of the first two prequels...combined.

Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: Jesse James on February 4, 2010, 06:33 PM
I, at this point, agree.  I like parts of AOTC, but there's a lot more about the cartoons that I like than don't like.  With AOTC it's almost 50/50, but with CW3D it's almost 100% good even when it's not great.  By far and away the toon's superior to TPM.

That's really sad when you think about it.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: Nicklab on February 5, 2010, 01:22 AM
I hated that black lightsaber.  I can't believe Lucas actually approved that thing.  Talk about screaming EU.  Even if it was like a thousand years old or something.


I like the idea that the Mandalorians have a long history as adversaries of the Jedi, and that they would take trophies like this.  But a black lightsaber that looks like a Samurai sword?
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: GrandMoffNick on February 6, 2010, 09:18 AM
Loved the end of last night's episode.

Between Obi Wan's "would have left the order" and Obi Wan saying "I'm not a cold blooded killer" and then Anakin's light saber through the chest a second later. Pretty interesting stuff.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: Darby on February 6, 2010, 11:00 AM
The writers of this series really deserve a lot of credit.  I had zero expectations for this show and even less after seeing the 'movie.'  It got off to a rocky start, but this year the show has become an exactly what Star Wars was to me as a kid - high adventure, good characters and fun - no more, no less.  The Madalore story and the Duchess/Obi Wan story in particular really add color to a character who has had no real investigation in 33 years.  They are a stunning contrast to the immature, passionate romance between Anakin and Padme and a good counterpoint to it (how perfect was Anakin killing that guy at the end - that's real writing). 

The one quibble I have is that Obi Wan should not have said he'd leave the order.  I don't believe he would; I think he's a soldier, a devoted Jedi, and despite his feelings would choose service over personal desire.  That would make him more of a contrast with Anakin, and his situation equally as tragic.  By him saying he'd leave - what if she asks him now?  Would he?  Will she in next week's show?
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: Matt_Fury on February 6, 2010, 11:19 AM
Although i liked how Anakin came up behind him and killed him, I think a better resolution would've been for Obi-Wan to cut off his hand.  That way both sides of the argument would've been upheld.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: Jesse James on February 7, 2010, 07:41 PM
Interesting counter-idea Matt, I kind of like that.

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The one quibble I have is that Obi Wan should not have said he'd leave the order.  I don't believe he would; I think he's a soldier, a devoted Jedi, and despite his feelings would choose service over personal desire.

Ya know what it made me think of though?  Obi-Wan's raising by Qui-Gon and how Jinn was sort of a break-away from the regular of Jedi's...  I could see Obi-Wan in his younger years (difficult to see it when he's a master) though being brash enough to say, "F it" to the Jedi ORder because he loved someone.

I liked Anakin killing the guy but it was uber predictable too.  My gf and I both said Anakin at the same time after I said, "who do you think is going to kill that guy?" to her, and she only watches because it' sbecome a Friday ritual.

I liked that episode for a lot of the same reasons you guys did.  Expansion of Obi-Wan's character is nice, plus Anakin was just more funny in it and background filler more than anything.  Episodes like this kind of make the Jedi (and Anakin's) downfall more emotional for some reason.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: Jayson on February 7, 2010, 11:11 PM
The one quibble I have is that Obi Wan should not have said he'd leave the order.  I don't believe he would; I think he's a soldier, a devoted Jedi, and despite his feelings would choose service over personal desire.  That would make him more of a contrast with Anakin, and his situation equally as tragic.  By him saying he'd leave - what if she asks him now?  Would he?  Will she in next week's show?

What I gathered from watching the episode a few times is that dialogue was merely a ploy to distract Merrick as evidenced by the look Satine gave Obi-Wan in order for him to "play along". You could pretty much see Obi-Wan's "I see what's going on here moment" and it was played by both of them well. Granted, there might have been some truth to it, but I think is was said to throw the traitor off his game so Satine could stomp on his foot and get the blaster.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: Darby on February 8, 2010, 09:54 AM
I think that look was two people realizing the severity of the moment, and how much needed to be said.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: tmanthegreat on February 8, 2010, 01:50 PM
Good episode.  I liked how they developed Obi Wan's character more with his relation to the Duchess.  Certainly a contrast to Anakin. 

As was stated in a few previous posts, this new Clone Wars show goes far and beyond the TPM and AOTC films in the quality of the stories, dialogue, character development, and even visual sequences.  While one does need to be familiar with the prequels to really get all that is going on in the CW3D show, it certainly is better.  Kind of too bad its actually a syndicated cartoon series that accomplishes the characterizations and stories that the films should have done in the first place.  I guess that goes to show us what can happen when Lucas only supervises with creative input and does not direct :P
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: Darby on February 13, 2010, 11:10 AM
Last night was another great episode.  I loved he McQuarrie Coruscant shout out.   :)

I thought the ending was a little soft - Satine and Obi went unresolved, but then we haven't seen the last of her, or the Mandalores.  I loved the concussion effect that followed the explosion of the thermal detonator, the Coruscant clones, the very astute political wrangling (far more precise than the films), and just about everything with the show.  It's far and away the best thing to happen to Star Wars in the PT era.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: Brian on February 13, 2010, 11:12 AM
I was just reading through the Hasbro Press Release (http://www.hasbro.com/corporate/media/press-releases/HASBRO-STAR-WARS-2010-TOY-LINE-CAPTURES-THE-EXCITEMENT-AND-ADVENTURE-OF-POPULAR-STAR-WARS-THE-CLONE-WARS-ANIMATED-SERIES.cfm) for Toy Fair, and noticed the write up for the Boba Fett role play helmet mentions that he appears in both The Empire Strikes Back and the Clone Wars - so maybe he is on the way?  I wonder if that was an intentional release, or a slip up?
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: ruiner on February 13, 2010, 01:44 PM
Gotta be a mistake.  I don't think he shows up in the CW - and if he does, he'll just be a kid, right?
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: iFett on February 13, 2010, 04:37 PM
Blah...I was glad to see the the Death Squad intro, but I didn't care for these three episodes personally.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: tmanthegreat on February 16, 2010, 04:18 PM
It was a pretty decent episode.  I'm enjoying seeing the McQuarrie-inspired area of Coruscant and the way the political wrangling played out in the show.  You could tell Palpatine was a bit annoyed when his plans to occupy Mandalor fell through. 

I know this show is marketed for kids under the age of 15, but one really has to be older to fully appreciate all its complexities.  When one knows something about the Star Wars universe, has familiarity with (Earth's) history, and understands the working of both the military and politics, the show takes on whole new meanings - something your average American pre-teen is not going to understand ;) 
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: Jesse James on February 22, 2010, 12:30 AM
I didn't get to catch this till tonight unfortunately...

I liked it, i thought it wrapped up a 3-show-arc nicely but left things untied for future episodes like was mentioned.  The Mandalores are a threat now, and so on.

Pretty cool stuff.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: GrandMoffNick on March 12, 2010, 10:08 AM
Is this still a rerun tonight and does anybody know when they will start running new episodes again?
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: Keonobi on March 12, 2010, 10:51 AM
Is this still a rerun tonight and does anybody know when they will start running new episodes again?

Per SW.com Duchess of Mandalore is on tonight.   :(  Wish they'd get back to new episodes.  Perhaps involving some bounty hunters; rising perhaps?
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: Greg on March 12, 2010, 02:45 PM
According to the DVR, next Friday (3/19) is a new episode. It's another Senate episode according to the summary. Padme playing detective to find out who killed Anaconda Far.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: iFett on March 14, 2010, 04:13 PM
*yawn*  getting tired of the Duchess and Senate stuff already.  Let's get back to the supposed bounty hunter stuff already.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: Jayson on March 14, 2010, 04:26 PM
iTunes had this episode up yesterday for a brief time before they pulled it down. I downloaded it and it was pretty good. Folks will get a kick out of the Coruscant Inspector Tan Devo and their are a couple nice easter eggs in the episode as well. Phase II "ROTS" Clone Troopers and Mon Mothma
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: tmanthegreat on March 20, 2010, 11:52 PM
Yes, it was a good episode.  The inspector, to me, seemed like a character straight out of a 1940s detective film and was enjoyable, even if a tad annoying.  I liked some of the other tidbits as well, plus the developing story of the senatorial opposition to Palpatine and the war.  As we know, Mon Mothma and Bail Organa are among the eventual founders of the Rebel Alliance.  The formation of that resistance movement was a major element in the ROTS novel, but was deleted from the final version of that film, so its kind of cool to see it appearing in the Clone Wars series.

Again, I'm always fascinated by the level of story detail and maturity that goes into the CW series.  It is something that I am very sure flies past most of the younger and less informed fans of the show, but it conversely makes the show quite enjoyable (and more meaningful) to us older fans 8)
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: Keonobi on March 21, 2010, 11:29 AM
I liked how they worked Palpatine's "reluctance" in.  Like the more militant members of the Senate are making him accept the new powers.  Palpatine needs Padme, Mon Mothma and Bail Organa because as long as he appears to be balanced between them and the more pro-war Senators, he can covertly seek greater power without appearing to a dictator.  I liked the episode.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: Jeff on March 25, 2010, 12:10 AM
Wow.  Some Season Two info on a certain character appearing in the cartoon - SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS (http://www.usatoday.com/life/movies/news/2010-03-25-empirestrikes25_CV_N.htm).

I guessed it was coming at some point... interesting to see the pic.  I cannot wait to read what some folks will have to say...
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: Jayson on March 25, 2010, 12:25 AM
It's about time.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: Jesse James on March 25, 2010, 01:08 AM
That's pretty cool...  I expected it too, at least in the cameo form, but I'm hoping for maybe a larger role of some sort.  I'm really digging that pic though.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: Keonobi on March 25, 2010, 10:31 AM
Very cool.  Hopefully that character will be involved in a bigger story arc at the end of the season and not simply a teaser for next season!
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: Brian on March 25, 2010, 11:36 AM
Yeah, I sort of expected it as well, but it is pretty cool.  Can't really talk about it much more without going into spoilers, but I'm interested to see how this character is used, and if they will continue to be on the show.  They mentioned that the 2 part finale is airing April 23/30, so I guess we have about 6 episodes left.  For some reason, this season has seemed shorter (although it really isn't), but maybe that is just because of the breaks.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: iFett on March 25, 2010, 12:07 PM
Yay!    ;D
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: tmanthegreat on March 25, 2010, 06:29 PM
Very cool and about time!  Glad he's being voiced by the same actor from AOTC so there will be a sense of continuity.  Hopefully Fett will be used well
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: Jesse James on March 25, 2010, 08:09 PM
I'm pretty stoked over this right now...  I'm curious who his bruiser buddy is there with him.  Looks like a Klatooinian on roids.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: Muftak on March 25, 2010, 11:13 PM
And I was thinking Gammorean. ;D

Honestly haven't been all that impressed with Season Two, and this after really really enjoying Season One. Just seems to be floundering without much overall direction. I felt Cad Bane was horribly misused after a promising introduction, and there haven't been many highlights. The Clone farmer episode, maybe, and the inital reinvasion of Geonosis. Mandalore was lame and didn't at all match what I wanted out of them.

This is promising, though. Here's hoping Season Three can rebound.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: Jayson on March 25, 2010, 11:14 PM
Fans of submarine movies like The Hunt for Red October are going to LOVE this week's episode " Cat and Mouse" 8). There are also some great nods to the OT in the episode as well.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: Jesse James on March 25, 2010, 11:54 PM
Yes, I think this upcoming episode is going to get back to some good old fashioned warrin' roots...

Season two has been a tad helter skelter and that's hurt it in my eyes.  I agree on Bane being underused (as was the "Rise of the Bounty Hunters" mantra...  They should've stuck more with that).  I thought episodes like last weeks held their own, and Lightsaber Lost.  They were fun, but I really didn't care for the Clone farmer episode.  I felt that one was lacking.

The reinvasion of Geonosis was very cool though...  I just wish they'd have tried to focus more on the Bounty Hunter arc, and keep it going throughout some of those other episodes.

I'm hoping it's at least ending on a Bounty Hunter note than anything...  They're a key point that can be milked and enjoyed by many I believe.  Bane could be one of just many cool aspects.

The mandalorians let me down too.  They were a low-light, and why I'm kind of hoping for an upswing.  That whole Mandalore sidetrack was less than interesting.  They had nothing to do with bountyhunting and things.  It was ok to watch and had its entertaining moments, but it was the lowest point of season 2.  I still think the series is great, and if that's the low point that's not horrible, but for me it was the lowest point... and it was what, 3 episodes?  That's left me jonesin' for better.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: Jayson on March 26, 2010, 12:07 AM
Yes, I think this upcoming episode is going to get back to some good old fashioned warrin' roots...

For sure. The whole episode involves military strategy/evasion and despite this space battle leading right into the battle of Christophisis, it stands perfectly on its own and the final act is sweet.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: Jesse James on March 26, 2010, 02:37 AM
ANother pre-Christophsis episode?  Interesting.  I like that the timeline of this series is somewhat ambiguous.  You can gauge some stuff happens before/after others, but there's something of a mystery to some of it and how it fits.  I have a feeling that's somewhat intentional to cram a lot into the 3-year-CW era.  Not to mention all the CW2D and other CW **** that needs crammed into that era.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: tmanthegreat on March 27, 2010, 01:41 AM
Yes, tonight's episode was fun.  Very much the WWII submarine movie feel and the scene where Senator Organa gets bombed sort of had a WWII Battle of Britain Blitz feel to it, sirens and eveything.  The OT dialogue tidbits were nice as well, particularly Organa's "Help me Obi Wan..." line 8)

Overall, I have enjoyed this season.  I'm not as wild into the whole bounty hunter thing as other fans may be and was sort of glad it got downplayed to some more spectacular events such as the re-invasion of Geonosis story arc as well as some of the political intrigue type stories.  The episodes are certainly "helter skelter" as far as a timeline is concerned, but individual ones have been particularly enjoyable and fun and there's been a much greater effort to show more ties to the OT in this season.  All good in my book ;)
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: Nicklab on March 27, 2010, 01:42 AM
Tonight's episode had all of the elements of a WWII era submarine movie.  Which for me was a very interesting turn.  It's great to see how the series has visited a number of genres.  Last week it seemed to be a film noir/Peter Lorre kind of deal.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: Darby on March 27, 2010, 08:40 PM
I enjoyed last night, especially the music, which evoked James Horner's Star Trek scores, right down to the virtual echo of the Klingon theme toward the end.  I loved the submarine vibe, too, even though the strategy involved in the entire thing was as sound as the rest of the series.

I disagree with the Mandalores being the low point of the year.  I see that arc as the high point, tied with Geonosis.  I'm not a EU guy, so I don't have any preconceptions going in to color the Mandos, and the character building with Obi and Satine was for the series, superb. 

I think the Bounty Hunter thing was oversold, too, but I don't particularly mind.  The season has been somewhat uneven, due in part to its schedule, but overall it's much more solid than last year in every way.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: Jesse James on March 28, 2010, 06:29 PM
I don't mind the EU clashing of the Mandalore episodes at all, it is what it is and you just choose to view things however you want.  What I didn't care for was the sort of slow nature of the Mandalore episodes.  They felt wasted and were just less interesting to me compared to other episode arcs.  The Geonosis episodes were losing me with the zombie geonosians in the 2nd episode.  I was caught back with that one with the third episode then.

The Mandalore ones were just slow to me...  They had cool points, but were mixed with points I found dull.  I still liked them ultimately, just not as much as most of Season two.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: Jesse James on March 30, 2010, 02:16 AM
In TV Guide this week (yes, it still exists) there's a preview of the season 2 finale for Clone Wars...

It hints at the aforementioned spoilered character's motives (obvious), and who he's bringing with him, like a certain lizard buddy of his, and a chick that needs sunscreen.  A certain pirate leader is making a comeback as well, and some people who don't like each other may need to work together.

Sounded interesting and it's actually 3 episodes but 2 are a double-header which I believe is how Season 1 ended also, no?  2 weeks, 3 episodes?

Eh, anyway the article was a little more light-shedding.  Spoilers and stuff like that are mixed in there.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: Darby on April 2, 2010, 11:11 PM
Great episode tonight.  Really nice animation and use of color (the cinematography - not sure if the term applies here - on the show increases in quality all the time).  Love the ejection bubbles!  The bounty hunters!  Especially Embo.  Wow. 
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: Scott on April 3, 2010, 12:37 AM
Yeah Embo was bad ass.  I love the charge with his head down taking shots on the noggin.  The sniper dude must have been an after thought because he was barely in there.

I expected Anakin to kick Hondo off the cliff.  Especially after seeing how Obi-Wan was looking away in disgust.  I also love love love their spaceship.  That thing is so retro sweet!  Cool nod to the Seven Samurai :)  I liked this one a lot. 
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: Jesse James on April 3, 2010, 01:01 AM
I liked tonight's episode...  It wasn't my favorite but I thought it was entertaining and unique.  I too thought the guy with the hat was pretty badass.  The Sniper also got me as sort of secondary since she just barely blipped, and did she die?  I didn't see her at the end.

The whiney farmer was...  well...  really whiney.  Like Farmboy Luke on whiney steroids.

Lots of good details and I agree the colors were used really well.

I thought Hondo's gang seemed a little sparse at times, but then more of them would turn up.  Where's everyone else in the tank too?  Surely it wasn't just him and his monkey driving it?

A neat episode...  Again, not my favorite, but neat.  Weird that the Bounty Hunters we saw ultimately weren't really important, unless they resurface somewhere? 
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: Jeff on April 3, 2010, 01:18 AM
Cool nod to the Seven Samurai :) 

Yeah, definitely. 

I loved those little turtle-y farmer guys - is that what they were, turtles?  Or more fishy than turtle?  Either way, I thought they were sort of fun characters. I wouldn't mind Hasbro whipping up a figure for one of them... :)
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: Jesse James on April 3, 2010, 01:32 AM
Somehow they were cooler than the Lurmen guys.  Those Lemurs in the big coconut houses.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: Jeff on April 3, 2010, 01:37 AM
Somehow they were cooler than the Lurmen guys.

That's because the Lurmen were all "Oh, we don't like hurting people", but the turtle-y dudes were all "let's get our stabbing on!" with their turtley staff weapons.  ;)
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: David on April 3, 2010, 02:17 AM
That was a very good episode. Embo was awesome. 8) I also really liked the turtle farmers and the little creature in the big robot suit. And it was great to see Hondo show up again. Very cool.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: Jesse James on April 3, 2010, 02:38 AM
Somehow they were cooler than the Lurmen guys.

That's because the Lurmen were all "Oh, we don't like hurting people", but the turtle-y dudes were all "let's get our stabbing on!" with their turtley staff weapons.  ;)

The one turtle guy was as whiney as all the Lurmen combined though...  Till he impaled the Weequay guy off his bike.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: Greg on April 3, 2010, 08:12 AM
I'll echo what everyone said so far. It was a pretty cool episode, with solid characters. The dude with the hat was awesome. I'm looking forward to the Starzilla/Cloverwars episode next week. That should be interesting to say the least.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: Pete_Fett on April 3, 2010, 02:15 PM
I thought this episode was pretty good - I found it odd that we didn't see the Felucians from The Force Unleashed game, perhaps they are indigenous to another part of the planet.

The Bounty Hunters were pretty cool - I loved Embo - I thought he was great. I'm hoping we'll get a figure of him at some point.

The other three bounty hunters were pretty neat - I liked the stuff between Ashoka and Seripas (the little guy in the mechanical suit) - it would be great if they made a figure for him too - like the big mechanical suit and then a small little accessory for the little guy actually inside the suit.

I don't think Rumi (the female sniper) survived that blast from the tank - she was nowhere to be found at the end and Sugi (the female Zabrak leader) did say she had some room in her ship, maybe the loss of Rumi was partly why she said that?

It will be interesting to see Empo, Sugi and Seripas return to the series at some point as bounty hunters who are actually friendly to the Jedi.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: iFett on April 3, 2010, 05:50 PM
Very good!  Glad we're done with the senate and the dutchess - for now.  Totally diggin the hat bounty hunter guy.  Was that a Rancor walking around in the beginning?  Couldn't tell.  Dug the little boba "preview" as well...with that old school video game theme in the background   :)
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: Keonobi on April 3, 2010, 09:21 PM
Yeah, I was digging the couple of Rancor that walked by.  I thought it was kind of cool that they ignored the Jedi, kind of makes the Rancor at Jabba's seem like it had been twisted by its captors, into the ravenous beast that we see in ROTJ.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: GrandMoffNick on April 4, 2010, 09:42 AM
Was the "in memory of Akira Kurasawa" at the beginning for CW or the show beforehand? I thought it was for the show beforehand, but that episode was very "Seven Samurai" and other Akira films. I thought that was really cool, but I hope I'm not making it up.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: Pete_Fett on April 4, 2010, 10:19 AM
Was the "in memory of Akira Kurasawa" at the beginning for CW or the show beforehand? I thought it was for the show beforehand, but that episode was very "Seven Samurai" and other Akira films. I thought that was really cool, but I hope I'm not making it up.

Since the episode was most certainly a nod to the "Seven Samurai", I think the in memorium was definitely for the Clone Wars episode.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: Jayson on April 5, 2010, 10:44 AM
Season Finale Trailer (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v9M3O89lFCg&feature=player_embedded): Heavy spoiler warning apply
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: Brian on April 5, 2010, 12:54 PM
Season Finale Trailer (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v9M3O89lFCg&feature=player_embedded): Heavy spoiler warning apply

I was just coming over to post about that....definitely looking forward to it.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: Jesse James on April 5, 2010, 03:35 PM
I already think this rocks...  And everyone loves Bossk because we all know Trandoshan's get alllll da ladies.

Some of the story overtones, especially about the kid's backstory, are quite interesting.  Why is he who he is?  That's pretty neat.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: McMetal on April 5, 2010, 11:56 PM
Embo is the coolest frigging character to come out of that show yet, none of the campy cheesiness of Cad or Hondo, and twice the badassery. He has instantly become my favorite new character. Kudos to Dave Filoni for the voice work too.

Aside from the Geonosis arc, that was the best episode of the season, hands down.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: Jesse James on April 6, 2010, 12:21 AM
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none of the campy cheesiness of Cad or Hondo

I don't know that I'd go that far...  Well, with Hondo I would. :)

Bane's pretty badass though, and as much as Embo's a nod to a guy from a Kurisawa movie, Bane's a nod to Clint Eastwood's silent stranger from Spaghetti Western's...  I consider them similarly rooted, just different styles.  I thought that actually made him even cooler then last week.

Bane's still one of my favorite things to come from CW3D though...  Someone actually winning over the Jedi's?  That's pretty nice to see.

I 100% agree that, besides Landing at Point Rain/Geonosis Story Arc, this is one of the better episodes.  It was interesting seeing the Jedi work WITH Bounty Hunters...  a hesitance that I think Vader carries forward with him, but ultimately learns to trust more than others do.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: McMetal on April 6, 2010, 10:30 AM
Bane's pretty badass though, and as much as Embo's a nod to a guy from a Kurisawa movie, Bane's a nod to Clint Eastwood's silent stranger from Spaghetti Western's...  I consider them similarly rooted, just different styles.  I thought that actually made him even cooler then last week.

Yeah, except the silent stranger was always a GOOD GUY. Bane is just an evil, greedy little weasel.

I get that they're caricatures, I just think they missed the whole point with Bane. Trying to kill those Jedi kids was beyond the pale, IMO.

I actually like Hondo.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: Keonobi on April 6, 2010, 11:06 AM
What confuses me with Bane is where do his loyalties lie?  During the first couple episodes it was clear that he was doing a job for the Separatists, which he got paid for.  But its seemed more like he was just another Separatist leader in more recent episodes (wasn't he commanding a Separatist Cruiser at one point...).  Hondo is loyal to his pocketbook.  Hence his comments about "this venture is no longer profitable".  If it suits his interests he'll work with the Jedi, if it doesn't he'll work against them.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: Jesse James on April 6, 2010, 05:10 PM
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Yeah, except the silent stranger was always a GOOD GUY.

He was?

He was better, but he had no loyalties to anyone but himself...  He had a good streak in him where he'd do kind things but he also ran with an outlaw in TGtB&tU where they scammed towns out of reward money for the hanging of Tuco, and he was every bit the criminal...  Similar in later movies where Eastwood carried the character (or the premise of the character) on, such as Unforgiven and Pale Rider.

That's the point of those movies...  He's The Good, but he's not always good...  He's good hearted, but still a criminal, a liar, and has no ties.  He's more "good at what he does", than just plain good.

I think the better analogy I should've made is that Cad Bane is a mix of Clint Eastwood and Lee Van Clief's characters in those Westerns.  Both are fairly quiet, mysterious, and both have mean streaks and a badassery to them.  They're both opportunists, and both are loyal to themselves above all others.  Bane leans more towards Van Clief's character then from TGtB&tU then I suppose since Clint Eastwood's has a good streak in him where he feels for others to some degree.  Bane, not so much.  Actually Bane's look is even a little more Van Clief than Eastwood too.

The basic idea is he's a nod to Sergio Leone characters, same as Embo's a nod to Kurisawa's...  I'm not real familiar with Kurisawa movies in detail, but I wonder if there aren't similar characters throughout them then.

I think (in response to Keonobi) Bane's loyal to who pays him, and Dooku sees him as a good choice to do some work for them they need done, and pays up to get it done...  They're happy to give him control.  It's like Durge on Muunilist...  The Sep leaders were in charge but ultimately they didn't control Durge and he had his own Sep army at his control.  Paid to whip some ass and given the tools to do it.  If the Republic weren't as bogged down as it is, they'd maybe be paying for help like that too.

Hondo's interesting...  I don't know who he's based on really.  Jack Sparrow?  That seems the closest thing possible, though he's not as clever or interesting a character by a longshot.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: Jayson on April 6, 2010, 06:04 PM
I managed to watch this week's new episode "Zillo Beast" which is another homage, this time to the classic Godzilla story. There are some very cool ground battles that culminate in the deployment of a new Republic weapon. There is also a neat M.A.S.H. easter egg in this episode as well.   ;)
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: David on April 6, 2010, 08:56 PM
Zilla Beast? Really? ::)
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: iFett on April 10, 2010, 06:36 PM
Cloverfield monster....Nice episode with the Duggs.  Looking forward to the finale.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: Keonobi on April 10, 2010, 06:45 PM
What did the Dugg's clay pigeon launchers do?  I saw where they hit the droid fighters, but I missed what they were supposed to do to the Zilla.  Also was there some sort of inter-clan business with killing the Zilla?  The Duggs seemed to be scheming.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: Jesse James on April 11, 2010, 12:50 AM
Lots and lots of coolness in that episode...


First, the Zilla Beast being an homage to Godzilla and King Kong is great.  You can see the more Kong-laden episode in next week's, but there were definate overtones in this one. 

I liked the nod to a "superweapon" bringing about Zillo's existance too...  It was hardly an atomic blast, but it was big and did some awakening.

Also the "Dugs are pricks" message was interesting I thought...  They're careless with their own planet, like to blame others, and just sorta seemed like sneaky jagoffs at the end of the day, that hated something tha twas just trying to survive.  Again it's a Zilla-ish overtone there (those who liked him and those who wanted to destroy him struggling against one another). 

Then putting him to sleep?  Classic Kong stuff.

I caught the weird nod to MASH too...  Why?  Hmmm.  It's neat, but there didn't seem to be a reason for it, plus one's dead anyway.

I really liked the way the episode opened up too...  That's combat in the Clone Wars more as I imagined it.  Big battles, insanely overwhelming Separatist forces facing Clones that are outgunned but are better fighters.  That more represented what we saw in Episode 2 than I think many episodes have shown.   The movie was more like this, as was the Geonosis Story Arc.  I liked seeing a really massive generic Sep army though, ready to do real battle over an important planet for its resources.

It's like Germany wanting to divert their attack on Russia to capture the oil fields in the South, or the entire conflict in N. Africa in an effort to capture and control mid-east oil fields in WW2.  The fight over resources to simply keep fighting.

This was one of my more favored episodes of Season 2 so far...  Right behind Landing at Point Rain.  It helps that I grew up loving classic horror monsters like Godzilla and King Kong too, haha.  :)
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: Matt_Fury on April 11, 2010, 05:47 AM
Why dugs?  Aren't they from the Tund system?  I thought Grans were from Malestaere.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: Scott on April 11, 2010, 09:49 AM
Why dugs?  Aren't they from the Tund system?  I thought Grans were from Malestaere.
Dugs are native to Malastare, they are represented in the Senate by Grans who had also had colonies there
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: Nicklab on April 11, 2010, 03:27 PM
It was cool to see so much of the Seperatist arsenal arrayed in the battle scene.  The Retail Droids made another appearance.  The ranks looked imposing.  And by the same measure the electron bomb affected not only the Seperatist forces, but also a lot of the Republic gear.  The small detail of Anakin's robotic arm being affected was a nice touch.

The M*A*S*H* reference?  Very funny.  Once I heard "Trapper, Rex, Hawkeye" I nearly bust out laughing!  The homages to past material has been almost a little over the top.

As for the Zillo beast?  The Godzilla references were almost hamhanded.  But the storyline of what to do with the Zillo beast was interesting.  The clashing of the Jedi ideals with the Dugs plans added to the overall tension.  And when it came to Palpatine's reactions about the Zillo beast being impervious to a lightsaber?  That was one of the few insights we've seen in the Clone Wars about Palpatine's Sith inclinations.  It's nice to see a number of plot points being examined subtly in the series.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: McMetal on April 15, 2010, 03:55 PM
Sorry, my SW anthropology is not up to snuff. Is Sebulba a Dugg? Where do I know these things from...they looked familiar.

Pretty cool episode.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: Jayson on April 15, 2010, 05:17 PM
Yes, Sebulba is a Dug.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: iFett on April 15, 2010, 06:10 PM
An especially dangerous Dug   :D
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: GrandMoffNick on April 16, 2010, 08:03 AM
An especially dangerous Dug   :D

That dialog makes me cringe.
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Post by: Keonobi on April 16, 2010, 10:23 AM
An especially dangerous Dug   :D

That dialog makes me cringe.

Oh, that's 'crunching' talk!   :P

So tonight is the second Zilla episode and then next week (?) is the two part season finale, right?
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: Jesse James on April 16, 2010, 02:57 PM
Nope, the season finale's 3-parts I believe, starting next week and ending with a double-header the following week.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: Keonobi on April 16, 2010, 03:04 PM
But tonight is more of the Zilla, right?  I couldn't recall if there are three or four new episodes left  :-[
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: Jeff on April 16, 2010, 03:06 PM
Yes, four new episodes left -

tonight = Zilla Beast part 2
4/23 = Season Finale part 1
4/30 = Season Finale part 2 and 3
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: Keonobi on April 20, 2010, 02:19 AM
Where has Ahsoka been during the Zilla episodes?  I can't recall seeing her on Malastare and she wasn't on Coruscant.  Now I'm not sure if my timeline is off, but at this point Anakin should have Ahsoka as his padawan, right?  I'm thinking this because Anakin and Ahsoka broke in the Y-Wings when that fighter was first introduced & the Y-Wing was definitely used on Malastare; hence Ahsoka should be somewhere....

Also, was Palpatine intentionally testing the Zilla to see what it was capable of?
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: Jesse James on April 20, 2010, 02:35 PM
The YW's do place this episode after Ahsoka's placement with Anakin, so she's somewhere...  I guess just not on Coruscant.  Maybe she's stuck on something else for her training.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: Greedo The Green Menace on April 21, 2010, 01:09 AM
I dug Palpatines larger role in Zillo beast Part 2. I found it very interesting seeing him put in such a dangerous situation that he didn't have any control over in which he might not have any choice but to blow his cover as a sith lord in order to save himself. Things managed to work in his favor of course, but I can't help but wonder, might he have whipped out some force powers if the gas bombs had failed and the creature had persisted in it's attempts to kill him?
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: Scott on April 23, 2010, 11:01 PM
Tonight was great but next week looks fan frickin tastic!

One thing I have been meaning to comment on is the music has been steadily better over the course of the series.  There are pick ups and themes that sound very Williamsesque

The pod scene at the end was great and it played off of the escape pod/Plo Koon episode of Season 1. 
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: Jesse James on April 24, 2010, 02:33 AM
Yeah I liked the pod at the end, but I really thought we'd see the kids floating around in space the way they were playing it up.  :)  I mean, why shut the door to their pod, ya know?  Just detach and hose 'em.

Either way though, it was a great episode I thought, and I liked watching the Endurance suffer catastrophic damage like that and still managing to limp into atmosphere and try a landing.

I like that they're giving SOME backstory to Fett too.  He's now a tortured character, there's a tinge of good in him (kind of felt that way about Jango too, which his EU background hinted at it), and this feels like they're trying to keep Boba a little ambiguous for the Boba fans, so they can love him as both the good guy and the bad guy.

I like Bossk just standing there too.  Hands down my favorite alien, and I dig that he's there.  Hasbro depicted him as a Jedi killer of sorts, and so I like that he's getting some play in that era as possibly just that kind of hunter.
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Post by: Pete_Fett on April 24, 2010, 10:21 AM
I thought last night's episode was pretty good.

My favorite part had to be when Boba went into the engine core and had to over-power that clonetrooper. When the helmet came off, there was that split second where Boba wanted to make that connection between the clone and Jango, and then for him to stun the trooper instead of outright kill him was also pretty cool.

Also kinda interesting how he really only wanted to harm Mace Windu, and that's it. It wasn't like he had this great anger for all Jedi because of what happened, just anger towards the one man who killed his dad.

I would have liked to see the scene where Anakin was addressing the squad go on a bit more, and if they could have worked in dialogue that was a send-up to the scene where Vader addresses Boba Fett and the rest of the Bounty Hunters.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: GrandMoffNick on April 24, 2010, 10:23 AM
I was very glad they didn't just make Boba some "evil" kid. I loved that he just wanted his revenge on Mace, but you can see as he had to leave the other kids he'll start to find killing and capturing for others to kill for money more and more easy.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: Darby on April 24, 2010, 12:44 PM
Last night was really good, but some of it was played kind of strange.  It was written/directed as if you weren't supposed to know Boba was even in the show - no reaction shot from him whatsoever when he first sees Mace, the man he's dedicated his young life to killing - and even when he is revealed, it's very underplayed.  Nothing bad about it, just odd.

That said, I really liked it for all the reasons mentioned above.  Also, the music was great.  The sonic reveal of the Slave 1 - that distinctive growl of its engines - was very cool.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: iFett on April 24, 2010, 05:19 PM
I liked how "Lucky" kept his head down as to not make eye contect with the clones as he entered the ship.  Didn't seem to make any connection with the clone in the engine core when he took his helmet off, but...that's your dad's face Boba.  Bossk was pretty bad ass just standing there with his arms crossed - thank god he didn't talk.  Loved the reveal of the Slave I as well.  Looking forward to the finale!
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: Brian on April 26, 2010, 01:12 PM
I really enjoyed Friday's episode as well.  In a way, I thought the episode added more backstory to Boba's character than AOTC did.  Of course, the storyline of his father being killed by a Jedi came from that movie, but I sort of like how his story in general was handled here.  Giving a little insight without taking too much away from the character.  I really liked seeing Bossk as well, just standing there with his arms crossed.  I'm hoping we see more of him in the finale.  Aurra Sing is another character that I think has been made immensely "cooler" by the animated series.  It is funny that after seeing all that hype and teasers about the "Rise of the Bounty Hunters" starting about a year ago, we're just now getting to that in the finale really.  I have to admit, I'm sort of hoping for an all-new Slave 1 after seeing it in CW as well ;).
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: Jesse James on April 29, 2010, 04:02 PM
Anyone else notice, now between Yularren and his peer in Killian, a certain resentment towards the Jedi that's not really being explained?  Killian showed it when he insisted on going down with the ship.  Yularren's shown it since day 1 in the CW movie.

I find that interesting...  People seem to dislike the Jedi for possibly their own reasons.  Jealousy perhaps?  A certain level of envy of the Jedi being given rank, rather than earning it the traditional military ways?
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: McMetal on April 30, 2010, 09:37 AM
Anyone else notice, now between Yularren and his peer in Killian, a certain resentment towards the Jedi that's not really being explained?  Killian showed it when he insisted on going down with the ship.  Yularren's shown it since day 1 in the CW movie.

I find that interesting...  People seem to dislike the Jedi for possibly their own reasons.  Jealousy perhaps?  A certain level of envy of the Jedi being given rank, rather than earning it the traditional military ways?

I think you nailed it with the last part there. Yularen is a career military man, very rigid and by-the-books. Now suddenly he has to take orders from a bunch of mystical yahoos with little to no formal military background. They're unconventional, possessing strange, weird powers, and no doubt ruffle his brittle, patrician feathers. Small wonder he ended up an Empire man...no weird aliens or freaky powers to worry about.

I liked last week's episode more than I thought. I'm glad they are portraying Boba as a somewhat ambiguous, clearly manipulated character, rather than a 9 year old super villain bad-ass. I love Bossk and Aurra Sing as his evil foster parents. Shoot, I love pretty much everything about Aurra. She is way more interesting at this point in terms of backstory, etc.

A lot of the stuff on the Jedi cruiser was just ridiculous though. I'm sure the engine room would be so easily accessed. Lackluster doesn't even begin to describe the security system there. And how come Mace couldn't sense the impending danger from his quarters, or the weird vibes Boba was giving off when they met in the hallway? Was his spider sense on vacation?

At any rate, it's been a strong season overall, and I am really going to miss this show for the next few months. Good, good stuff.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: Scott on May 1, 2010, 08:31 AM
Well, the first episode last night was great, I loved loved loved the look of the burning ship on the planet.  Its always great to see R2 doing stuff and his gadget work was fun.  I and my boys really loved the launching of the gundark with Anakin's ship.

The second episode was a little hit and miss.  I liked seeing Plo and Asohka go into the depths of Coruscant and I really liked the greyness of Hondo and Boba.  But the end of the episode blew chunks with Mace and Boba.  It was a really anti climactic end to two pretty good episodes and sort of soured the whole deal :-\
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Post by: Scott on May 1, 2010, 08:34 AM
BTW...executing Ponds and then throwing him into space was pretty bad ass and brutal for a kids show.  RIP Ponds :'(
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: Keonobi on May 1, 2010, 01:02 PM
I figured the first comment would be "Booo!!!   Bossk doesn't speak basic!".  I liked the episodes, not sure why Boba let his Dad's helmet get blown up, you'd think that would be kind of a sentimental item for him.
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Post by: iFett on May 1, 2010, 04:50 PM
R2 ROCKED!  He owned the first episode and I loved every minute of it.  Bossk spoke which kinda sucked, but he's still pretty badass in CW.  Nice to see Boba struggle between what's right and wrong as well as seeing how he reacted when his mommy left him with the Jedi.  I also think they pimped the Slave I pretty good so I hope that's still in the cards.   :)
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: Brian on May 3, 2010, 11:50 AM
I really enjoyed the season finale as well.  Like others, I thought the first episode was stronger - and R2 was awesome.  Much like the series premiere with Yoda, it really reminded me of OT R2 with his actions/sounds/etc.  I was a bit surprised by Bossk speaking as well, but I guess it didn't bother me that much.  Plus, we don't have much (non EU stuff anyways) to go on saying that he didn't, aside from one "growl" in ESB.  I do like that he is a part of CW though, and thought he came off pretty cool with even as little as he did.  I also think a character like Aurra Sing has been made infinitely cooler by CW, and I hope her ambiguous "end" leaves it open for her return (as well as the Slave I).

As for the entire season, what did everyone think of Season 2?  I thought it was a pretty strong season, and maybe more consistent than Season 1 (which I enjoyed as well).  I was a little surprised we actually didn't see more of the "bounty hunters" after seeing all those "Rise of the Bounty Hunters" teasers through last summer/fall.  That being said, we did see some cool ones and some other nifty stuff throughout the season.  I was thinking back over the season, and it really is impressive how they are able to create a lot of interesting conflicts, etc. without using the big bads much.  I mean, think about how much we even saw Dooku, Ventress, Grievous or even Cad Bane this year....not all that much.  Anyways, I really enjoyed the season, and I'm already anticipating Season 3.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: BrentS on May 3, 2010, 12:46 PM
I finally got caught up on Season 2 over the weekend.  My DVR has been picking these up but real life seem to get in the way of watching them.  I thought the 3-part finale was really good.  I enjoyed the nods back to the OT and liked seeing more about the young Boba Fett.

One thing that surprised me was the apparent explosion of Slave 1.  I was always under the impression that Boba was using the same starfighter than Jango had?  Was Boba's Slave 1 different?
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: McMetal on May 3, 2010, 02:33 PM
I miss it already.

Where to start? This show really loves its Gundars. (sp?) This is like their 2nd or 3rd appearance I think. SURE WOULD BE A SHAME IF SOME SAVVY TOY COMPANY DIDN'T GET THESE AWESOME CREATURES INTO THE ANIMATED LINE SOMEHOW. (Hint, Hint, Hint)

Most of the last arc was pretty excellent, only a couple of "off-notes" worthy of mentioning.

1) I was VERRRRRY disappointed to hear Bossk speak English. I thought that came off way too contrived. Has it ever occured to the writers that maybe not all alien species should be able to master that dialect? It really took away from his badass mystique IMO.

2) I like to joke that there is no sex in the SW universe, but it's actually even creepier when they do allude to it. I don't know why exactly, but I found it very unsettling about Aurra and Hondo being a "couple". Just eww. That's like a giraffe getting it on with an orangutan.

3) Wow, Mace is just an a-hole. I expected to him to have a little more empathy towards Boba at the end, or at least convey some sort of conciliatory message. "Sorry about killing your dad, but I hope in time you can forgive me" or something to that effect. He just comes across as an aloof, detached jerk though.

4) So what's up with Aurra and the Slave 1? IS she dead and the ship trashed as we are led to believe? Guessing not, since they failed to show the "money shot" but hard to imagine anyone walking away from that. You'd like to think the Jedi would be smart enough to sift through the wreckage but probably not.

Strong season overall. Can't wait to watch it all again in Blu-Ray. (I love how the shows says at the beginning "Available in Hi-Def" when Cartoon Network doesn't even have an HD channel here)
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: GrandMoffNick on May 3, 2010, 02:38 PM
I'm pretty sure this was talked about a while ago for a different character, but I think you have to remember this show is on the Cartoon Network and little kids want/need the characters to speak english. Just pretend he spoke Trandoshan and it was translated for the "Live Documentary" you were watching.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: Pete_Fett on May 3, 2010, 02:54 PM
Strong season overall. Can't wait to watch it all again in Blu-Ray. (I love how the shows says at the beginning "Available in Hi-Def" when Cartoon Network doesn't even have an HD channel here)

I'll go one better - Comcast advertises the Cartoon Network as one of their HD channels but where I live in NJ, we only get it in low-def.

Has there been a date announcing the Season 2 Blu-Ray set?
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: Jayson on May 3, 2010, 02:54 PM
My guess will be right before Season 3 starts to they can pimp the heck out of it.  :P
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: Jesse James on May 3, 2010, 08:49 PM
I've not read the updates as I've yet to see the finale (DVR f'd up, and so I have to watch it at home in regular definition on my DVR here), but I wanted to mention about Bossk speaking "basic".  My take on that is something I've thought of about a number of aliens we've seen...  I think they're maybe not all speaking basic and it's just the cartoon's dumbing down things for the kids.  Removing subtitles, which can be difficult to keep up with in a regular film, so I'm sure a small child could find them difficult in a cartoon series, is probably a good idea...  You could have the grunts be "deciphered" by the context of the replies from the other characters, but I think I'm looking at it as basically Bossk is speaking his growls and gurgles, but the cartoon's just giving him the "basic" for the sake of the audience. 

To me, he'll always be a guy who gurgles and sounds lizardy, and doesn't stoop to speaking the language of others.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: Pete_Fett on May 3, 2010, 11:06 PM
I watched the last two episodes again last night and I have to say I was a lot less bothered by Bossk speaking basic than I was by how the end of the hour just fizzled out.

It started strong with the R2 episode, but the episode with Ahsoka and Plo Koon was pretty bad.

There were a couple of things I didn't like about the hour:

1) Lucas made a point of Jango's helmet getting dented in Attack of the Clones when Jango is run over by the Reek, the dent is in the exact spot where Boba's helmet had a dent, so the assumption could be made that Boba was wearing his father's helmet only with a new color/paint scheme

2) The Slave I ship in AOTC was different in coloring than ESB but it was still supposed to be the same ship. Now, we're left in a position where we're not so sure. Clearly the ship isn't a one-of-a-kind, but I bet the upgrades that Jango added to it are. There is only one reasonable path that can be followed with regards to the Slave I crash - the ship crashed and there was a huge explosion and no body of Aurra Sing was found, leaving the door open for her to return one day, but clearly indicating that the Slave I in ESB is a different ship, modified by Boba, not Jango.

So in one hour of the cartoon, they were successful in destroying any and all connections between Jango in AOTC and Boba in ESB.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: Darby on May 4, 2010, 09:16 PM
Pretty much in agreement.  Great hour, big let down of an ending.

Slave I - I thought it was a curious choice to damage/destroy it.  Obviously they'll revisit it/Boba, but to even suggest that this ship is not the ESB ship or that Boba's helmet is not his father's helmet destroys the purpose of AOTC as far as the Fetts go.

Mace is a jerk and arresting Boba?  I don't know.  Clearly we'll see him again, and there will be some big arc around busting him and Bossk out of prison (Cad Bane, I'm sure) but it would have been nice to see the bad guys win one.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: Jesse James on May 5, 2010, 01:01 AM
I watched these this afternoon after I got home, and I felt they were a mix...

I like the concept of Boba not being a jerk naturally, but I think they are pushing that a little too far now as well...  I can see him not offing the Clones and Killian because Killian showed a little kindness, but part of me also thinks he maybe would resent the Clones and should've been a little more sympathetic to Killian and not the Troopers I guess. 

I also liked the whole first episode, I thought it was unique...  I easily got past Bossk speaking and just assume that he is grunting and it's just him speaking English to be simplistic.  I can accept that better than him speaking English really since I always felt he couldn't in ESB. 

I felt the ending was like a lot of you have said...  Kind of abrupt, and I didn't really see a need for Mace to capture him and act like a prick on top of it, and then for him to be captured at all...  Why bother with that?  Have him maybe cause some serious damage and escape.  Voila, he wins...  sort of.  Mace was a real dick at the end too, which to me flew in the face of a true Jedi as well...  I mean, you did decapitate his father.  You could at least try to reason with the child on some level.

I loved Hondo's part, and that he's not a bad guy really, and that Sing's bad news for anyone who gets involved with her.

I cannot stand the thought that they're destroying Slave-I...  on Jango's helmet, I think it is possible Jango had a number of helmets, like Jetpacks and possibly armor and other things.  I can look past the helmet.  Ships though...  Slave-I isn't the only Firespray ship, but his is/was the only original designed one IIRC, which was sturdier, faster, more firepower, and that later models needed heavy upgrading to be anywhere near what Slave-I was.  If they destroyed it, that really does poop all over the backstory for Jango/Boba a bit.  I'm hoping maybe Hondo salvages it for Boba.  I could see them having some future interactions, and Hondo nurturing Boba's sense of honor he got from his father.

I thought the last episode started out ok, but fizzled a bit once they got to Hondo's place.  I liked the Underworld bits of Coruscant though, and whatnot. 

I'm ready for next season to get here...  Gonna be a long Summer without new episodes.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: Brian on May 27, 2010, 02:13 PM
Season 2 on DVD and Blu Ray, October 26th - Star Wars.com (http://www.starwars.com/theclonewars/news/seasontwo_dvd_bluray/index.html) has the details.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Two Discussion Thread
Post by: Jayson on May 27, 2010, 02:24 PM
Same day as TFU2 is released too.