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Community => JD Sports Forum! => Topic started by: Scott on January 6, 2010, 10:37 AM
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Hall of Fame today!
Blyleven?
Dawson?
McGwire?
McGriff?
Smith?
Alomar?
Morris?
Trammell?
Martinez?
Larkin?
Nobody?
I've said it last year and I'll say it again...Jack Morris is a Hall of Famer. And so is Mark McGwire! I think the black balling of alleged dopers is going to really tarnish the era of baseball we all loved in the 90's and 00's. Baseball and newspapers were in love with these guys and now treat them like yesterdays garbage and I think that sucks.
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I think McGriff and Dawson are my only maybes.
Blyleven isn't a HOFer no matter how much he wines like a little baby about it. Good for a lot of years isn't enough in my eyes.
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And so is Mark McGwire! I think the black balling of alleged dopers is going to really tarnish the era of baseball we all loved in the 90's and 00's. Baseball and newspapers were in love with these guys and now treat them like yesterdays garbage and I think that sucks.
While I think the use of drugs taints the recoreds McGwire attained during his time, those drugs weren't banned at the time, were they? If not, then he did nothing wrong.
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McGwire admitted to taking Andro which was A Legal and B Not banned by MLB...was he taking other stuff? Probably? Were other players including pitchers? Yes! Were other current Hall of Famers? Yes! I think you are beyond naieve if you believe otherwise and you can't just blackball everyone IMO...it is not fair to their legacy. Baseball just about was dead and thanks to 1998 with Sosa and McGwire, it recovered.
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I hate that this era is getting blackballed, BUT I dont' think he's an HOFer anyway. Just the HRs aren't enough
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Sounds like Dawson is in. I don't know if that's all the radio mentioned or he is the only one.
And I can only sort of hear the radio but I think Blyleven missed by five votes. Ouch.
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Andre Dawson - 77.9%
Bert Blyleven = 74.2%
Roberto Alomar = 73.7%
Sooooooooo close for Bert - missed it by 5 votes! Maybe next year. :-\
Also can't believe Alomar didn't make it... probably regrets spitting on that ump now. I'm sure he'll get in eventually though, just the writers making a statement - "yeah, you're good but you're a prick so you wait". :P
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Then there's the voters who feel going in on the first ballot is "sacred" and will wait til next year.
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My post from another website.
Full Voting:
Name Votes Pct.
Andre Dawson 420 77.9%
Bert Blyleven 400 74.2%
Roberto Alomar 397 73.7%
Jack Morris 282 52.3%
Barry Larkin 278 51.6%
Lee Smith 255 47.3%
Edgar Martinez 195 36.2%
Tim Raines 164 30.4%
Mark McGwire 128 23.7%
Alan Trammell 121 22.4%
Fred McGriff 116 21.5%
Don Mattingly 87 16.1%
Dave Parker 82 15.2%
Dale Murphy 63 11.7%
Harold Baines 33 6.1%
Andres Galarraga 22 4.1%
Robin Ventura 7 1.3%
Ellis Burks 2 0.4%
Eric Karros 2 0.4%
Kevin Appier 1 0.2%
Pat Hentgen 1 0.2%
David Segui 1 0.2%
Mike Jackson 0 0.0%
Ray Lankford 0 0.0%
Shane Reynolds 0 0.0%
Todd Zeile 0 0.0%
Of the ones on this list, several should be in or will most likely be in.
I'm all about Dawson. I also thought Blyleven and Alomar would be in this year. I'm hoping to see Raines, Lee Smith, McGwire (who cares about the juice when hundreds of players were doing it), McGriff, and Larkin. I'm still up in the air on Dale Murphy and Jack Morris and Edgar Martinez. I'd like to see Mattingly in as he dominated the mid 80's, but I think too many people will remember the fall off he had from 1988 onward.
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McGwire admitted to taking Andro which was A Legal and B Not banned by MLB...was he taking other stuff? Probably?
Definitely (http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/blog/big_league_stew/post/Mark-McGwire-comes-clean-admits-to-using-steroi?urn=mlb,212896).
Congrats to him for getting that out of the way, a necessary step if he was going to be taken seriously as a hitting coach for the Cardinals (and, to some extent, as a Hall of Fame candidate). Better to get right to it now instead of continuing to deny and letting it be a nagging issue all year for him and LaRussa.
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If NY would have won a title while Mattingly was there, he'd be in.
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Go Priates!!!!!11111
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Nice pickup by the Twins. Now the lineup only has one hole, at third, because Punto will probably be there. I think they can go deep into the playoffs if people stay healthy.
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Nice pickup by the Twins. Now the lineup only has one hole, at third, because Punto will probably be there.
Didn't we re-sign Harris? Seems like he'd be more likely at 3B than Punto, no? Either way, Hudson can hit in the 2 spot, which I like quite a bit - Span, Hudson, Mauer, Morneau is a good 1-4.
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Yeah, the Twins have Harris, but Gardy's "special little buddy" will most likely start at third. I see Harris backing up 2nd short and 3rd. Hopefully not, though. Casilla is probably through with the team. I'd like to see him and Perkins dealt for something.
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I'm a little late to the game but Dawson going in as an Expo is sort of odd. He really got popular by being with the Cubs. He was great with Montreal but Chicago is what he is really known for. Plus, the Expos don't even exist anymore. Kind of an odd choice by MLB. Plus, I am biased being a Cub fan and all but still.
Well should be another suck season for the Cubbies! But I will still hope I suppose..sort of. LOL!
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With the Super Bowl coming and going I'm getting really antsie for the MLB season. I hate Feb. and March.
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Did they sign Mauer yet? SI was hinting that it was close.
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Yankees can find another catcher next year
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Eric Casilias (no idea how to spell his last name) was on ESPN today and he told this story:
He and his son were over at Eric's sister's house and she is a Yankees fan. She walks in on Eric's son drinking from the faucet from his cupped hands. She says "why don't you use one of my cups?" and he says "because they all have something about the Yankees on them".
I thought that was great.
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Sitting here in MN wondering if the home Twins' game is going to get rained out. How awesome is that to finally get to say?!!!!
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I know I'm the only White Sox fan on this site full of Twins fans, but I had to post how impressed I was with Mark Buehrle's play from yesterday's home opener. That a way to set the defensive bar as high as possible on day one for the rest of the team to follow. This is going to be a fun season to watch in the AL Central this year...
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That was a damn good play.
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I know I'm the only White Sox fan on this site full of Twins fans, but I had to post how impressed I was with Mark Buehrle's play from yesterday's home opener.
Not so hot today huh? ;D
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I know I'm the only White Sox fan on this site full of Twins fans, but I had to post how impressed I was with Mark Buehrle's play from yesterday's home opener.
Not so hot today huh? ;D
Game started off okay with Buehrle striking out the side. However, the fourth inning was a disaster... At least Buehrle has a short memory and should bounce back... I hope...
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20-0? Ouch.
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GO PIRATES!!!!1111 :D
All you can eat seats, $35! True story! Get 'em now! They're selling fast!
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20-0? Ouch.
Packers start the year off 1-0 and the Steelers are 0-1. ;)
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Congrats to the Pirates, the first team to have a 35+ run differntial in a 3-game series in 40+ years! Congrats, getting outscored 36-1 (8-1, 8-0, 20-0) is no easy achievement! When the Pirates lose, they lose BIG! In thier 8 losses, they've been out-scored 85-13 (9.94 ERA). :D
And congrats to the Yankees for their first triple play since 1968 (6,632 consecutive regular-season games without a triple play). It's crazy to think with all their infield prowess over the last 40+ years, they hadn't turned one in that long...
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And congrats to the Yankees for their first triple play since 1968 (6,632 consecutive regular-season games without a triple play). It's crazy to think with all their infield prowess over the last 40+ years, they hadn't turned one in that long...
Well, it was only the 6th time in 40 years that an opposing team has had two base runners at the same time, so it's not that odd.
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Well, it was only the 6th time in 40 years that an opposing team has had two base runners at the same time, so it's not that odd.
You just made that up.
And you haven't watched a Yankee game in the last 10 years pitched by Kevin Brown, Randy Johnson, Javy Vazquez, Ian Kennedy, Jaret Wright, or Phil Hughes.
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Of course I did, the difference is that it was a joke when I did it.
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Former Mets GM Steve Phillips said today that he would trade Stephen Strasburg for Roy Oswalt if he were in charge of the Nationals. :o
Just incase he had a shot at ever being a GM again....
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Former Mets GM Steve Phillips said today that he would trade Stephen Strasburg for Roy Oswalt if he were in charge of the Nationals. :o
Just incase he had a shot at ever being a GM again....
That's possibly the dumbest thing I've ever heard......... Are you sure there wasn't some context that made it remotely logical?
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Former Mets GM Steve Phillips said today that he would trade Stephen Strasburg for Roy Oswalt if he were in charge of the Nationals. :o
Just incase he had a shot at ever being a GM again....
That's possibly the dumbest thing I've ever heard......... Are you sure there wasn't some context that made it remotely logical?
Haha, I think drugs being consumed before the interview is probably the context you're looking for. Here's the article:
link (http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/blog/big_league_stew/post/Steve-Phillips-will-gladly-trade-Stephen-Strasbu;_ylt=AsOdKvqlYGy_X8UfWkUF9eoRvLYF?urn=mlb,243521)
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Joba Chamberlain with a 108.00 ERA tonight in 0.1 innings. :o
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Joba Chamberlain with a 108.00 ERA tonight in 0.1 innings. :o
Even worse than Cole Hamels and his 48 ERA last night with 0.2...
Unrelated.
Why are there 6 teams in the NL Central and 4 in the AL West?
When it comes to making the playoffs, isn't that an unfair advantage for teams in the AL West?
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Detroit/Cleveland. All I can say is "what the $%&*"
You CAN NOT blow that call in that historical context. Great that the ump was "sorry", but doesn't fix it. I am amazed at how classy Gallaraga handled it. I would have exploded. If it had been a Twins' pitcher I would be having a meltdown still.
You have to call him out there.
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Detroit/Cleveland. All I can say is "what the $%&*"
You CAN NOT blow that call in that historical context. Great that the ump was "sorry", but doesn't fix it. I am amazed at how classy Gallaraga handled it. I would have exploded. If it had been a Twins' pitcher I would be having a meltdown still.
You have to call him out there.
It's official, Selig is not reversing it.
The official scorer has about 5 hours to rule the infamous play an error and at least award Galarraga the no hitter.
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**** Bud Selig. He has a flowing opportunity to correct a massive mistake without hurting anything.
That's ridiculous.
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If it hasn't already, this will definitely get them talking about expanding the rules for video review.
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**** Bud Selig. He has a flowing opportunity to correct a massive mistake without hurting anything.
That's ridiculous.
Agreed.
Even the umpire says that he's wrong.
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Maybe the next commissioner can come along and make it right... I'm blown away that Selig is such a crotchety *******.
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**** Bud Selig.
I've been saying this for years. He's a little monkeyboy for the owners. A real commish should be independant of any outside influence. Bud throwing up his arms at the All Star game tie was classic. Jesse Ventura lighting him up and calling him assinine was also classic when they were talking about contracting the Twins. This guy is a tool and has only hurt baseball. It sucks that the ump blew the call on that perfect game, but reversing it after the game would have opened up a can of worms. Instant replay needs to be expanded.
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With all the hype around Strasburg, it'll be interesting to see how well he can pitch in the big leagues. First opportunity soon!
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With all the hype around Strasburg, it'll be interesting to see how well he can pitch in the big leagues. First opportunity soon!
I'd say not too shabby :P
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Agreed, but it was the Pirates after all ;)
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Not shabby at all. 14 Ks is quite impressive for a debut.
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Strasburg is the best thing since loafed bread was first sliced.
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Strasburg.
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Strasburg.
Whiny bitch complaining about the mound? ;) :P
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This is going to be a fun season to watch in the AL Central this year...
White Sox are on an 11 game win streak and have moved into a tie for 2nd place in the Central. We're coming for you MN!
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White Sox are on an 11 game win streak and have moved into a tie for 2nd place in the Central. We're coming for you MN!
They'll fall back to earth when they stop playing the Cubs, Pirates, Nationals, and Cubs again... Although the Atlanta wins were more impressive.
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They are definitely beating the teams they are supposed to be right now. I'm just glad that they seem to have their confidence back and are putting up runs like they should have been doing all season. And their pitching is on track again as well. They may fade as the season progresses, but I'm enjoying the wave right now!
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Strasburg.
Prior?
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Strasburg.
Prior?
Wouldn't shock me.
They don't make 'em like Nolan Ryan anymore.
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How bad is the White Sox bullpen right now? Wow, that ball by Thome might still be flying!
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Looks like Man-Ram is heading to the White Sox:
White Sox claim Ramirez off waivers (http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20100827&content_id=13989030&vkey=news_mlb&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb)
And Strasburg is heading to a surgical suite:
Strasburg torn ligament (http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20100827&content_id=13983748&vkey=news_mlb&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb)
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And Strasburg is heading to a surgical suite:
Strasburg torn ligament (http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20100827&content_id=13983748&vkey=news_mlb&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb)
At first I was thinking this was Mark Prior all over again.
Then I started thinking that some players come back from TJ surgery in 2 years throwing 2-3 mph above where they were before the surgery.
I look forward to Strasburg's 104 mph fastball.
Or maybe we have Ben Sheets or Rich Harden on our hands again.
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Or maybe we have Ben Sheets or Rich Harden on our hands again.
I think more like Kerry Wood. Came in his rookie year and missed the next after having surgery. Granted, Wood pitched over 20 games in his first season and won the NL Rookie of the Year before he went out. Strasburg doesn't have that to boast. He can only say that his baseball card sold for thousands... How bad does that guy feel right now?!
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Or he could be Chris Carpenter or Shawn Marcum. I know the analogy doesn't quite transfer because they had full seasons before the surgery but both have come back quite well from TJ surgery.
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Well, it was almost a perfect day of baseball yesterday - Rays lose and Phils win with a no-hitter by Doc. Only blemish was the Yanks winning.
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Only blemish was the Yanks winning.
Blemish? It's always a great day when the Yankees win. I just with my son fit into his Yankee shirt now!
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My son has a Yankees onesie too. I use it to wipe his ass.
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They're up 2-0 now....I only got to see a little of the game.
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Go Rangers!!
I've been on board with this team for years. I've got tickets to Game 2 of the ALCS and Game 5 of the WS should they make it that far.
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I normally can't get nearly as excited for Senior League ball as the American League, but the Giants/Phillies should be excellent to watch.
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I've gotta disagree on the NLCS. I think it's going to be a snoozefest. I think the Phillies will sweep or maybe do it in 5. I don't see the Giants scoring many runs.
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Amazing how the Yankees could come back from a 5 run deficit to win the game! Exciting game!
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Don't get me started Matt!!;) I know you're a Yankee fan.
I'm headed out there for the game today. So needless to say I'm hoping for a win. Rangers need to get a split of this thing and take 2 of 3 in New York. I've already bought tickets for WS game 5 so they need to go.
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I've gotta disagree on the NLCS. I think it's going to be a snoozefest. I think the Phillies will sweep or maybe do it in 5. I don't see the Giants scoring many runs.
I think/thought this would be great because neither team will score much.
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Giants in 6...or 7.
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...or 5.
Giants win! Giants win! Giants win!
Too bad the rest of the nation, outside of California and Texas, didn't witness history. The Giants are absolutely stacked with home-grown pitching talent, plus a catcher with unlimited potential. These are kids, and they're just beginning to come into their own.
Giants are World Series Champions. A lifetime of waiting is finally at an end.
Giants Win!
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Hat's off to the Giants. That was a great game to be at last night. The Giants absolutely dominated the Texas hitters and they never made the proper adjustments. The Giants fans were really, really cool to watch. They sat about three sections over and four or five rows behind and were as loud as anybody else in the stadium.
This season was success for the Rangers. Definitely not how I wanted it to end, but I'm thrilled nonetheless. I've waited 20+ years to see a real, complete team put on the field and we finally got it.
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I guess 7 is the lucky number. Werth, Crawford and (supposedly) Lee all getting enormous 7-year deals. Crazy. Lee might be the only one worth the money, but 7 years for a pitcher is risky business. The Werth deal was the craziest. The BoSox seem a little panicky, though. The Nats just seem desperate...almost Mets-like. Can't wait for the season to see where it all leads.
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Lee signs with Phillies for five years, $120 million.
All those "experts" that were crowning Boston as the team to beat now need to rewrite their columns. The Phillies' rotation is now probably the best rotation...ever. Barring some weird injury or tragedy, I don't see how Philadelphia can NOT win the Series in 2011.
And I've got to give it up to Lee. Instead of just taking the money, he went where he had the best shot at winning a title. Though with $120 million, he's not exactly suffering.
As a Giants fan, though, this signing scares the hell out of me. But good job, Phillies.
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Twins' lose Crain and Guerrier (as expected). Not very confident about our pitching this upcoming season.