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Multimedia => The Prequel Trilogy => Topic started by: Matt on May 4, 2006, 10:46 AM
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. . .Not having Chewie rip some poor clone's arms out of his sockets.
I was watching the new trailer for Lego Star Wars II (http://www.starwars.com/gaming/videogames/news/lego2trailer.html), and Chewie's special attack is ripping arms from sockets, as one stormtrooper unfortunately discovers first-hand.
How cool would that have been in the movie? Could have been a nice little moment of levity, done right around the scene where Yoda takes off, and it would have been another tie-in to the original trilogy, as George loves to do so much. And it would have been right up there with Yoda whipping out his saber in Clones, as one of the biggest "fans go crazy" moments of the whole trilogy.
The largest missed opportunity in a series of missed opportunities. Oh well.
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Haha, that trailer was kind of funny.
I'm surprised they showed 2 lego minifigures making out...i thought those toys were directed towards kids! :o
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I thought for sure Lucas was going to either have Chewbacca or another wookie rip a battle droid's arm out of it's socket in ROTS. Instead we get the Tarzan yell again :(
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I think the fact we never saw Qui-Gon's ghost. How cool would it have been if he appeared to Anakin just before he wiped out all the Jedi at the Temple or perhaps just before running into the office to save Palpatine?
And the Lego Star Wars II trailer is pretty sweet!
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The PT Holiday Special. :P
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I'd say an extended Order 66 scene featuring Luminara, and Barris Offee's deaths, and maybe even a longer scene featuring the march on the Jedi Temple.
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I would have liked to see the "capture" of Palpatine by the Separatists. The Clone WArs Animated series showed this - think of how cool those scenese would have been with live action!
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I think the fact we never saw Qui-Gon's ghost. How cool would it have been if he appeared to Anakin just before he wiped out all the Jedi at the Temple or perhaps just before running into the office to save Palpatine?
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Not sure why I was thinking of this thread earlier today but I came up with something that seemed relevent here...
If the original intent during the OT was to make the universe look "Lived in" or "used" or whatever the term was, then it would have been great to see some of the Vehicles that the Rebels/Alliance used in the OT being used by the Republic or even Confederacy in the PT.
Growing up I assumed there were decades between the Clone Wars and "Star Wars" not just 16 or so.
I am thinking Y Wings, X Wings, etc...
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X-Wings in the EU always got the "they're new" kind of treatment, but I totally agree on Y-Wings... YW's were always a CW era ship that found its way, stripped to the bones, to the Alliance. While the cartoon tried to squeeze them into the CW, the films didn't, and I think Lucas **** the bed on that.
And the ARC-170 is anything but an X-WIng predecessor... Z-95's though? Again, another moment where Lucas could've given a fan wank with that ship, and to the EU, and to Ralph McQuarrie. They too may be sneaking into the CW series, but it's not the same as showing them in the PT...
INstead, 100% new designs like Jedi Fighters and the V-Wing. *shrugs*
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I think the biggest missed opportunities of the prequels were the opportunities to explain things. Instead of showing us senate hearings why not show us a jedi going through the trials of knighthood? They are mentioned but never explained. Explain the prophecy of the chosen one. Give us a firm answer about Anakin's birth rather than some vague Christ metaphor that may or may not have involved Palpatine. Explain why it makes sense to leave the two potentially most powerful force sensitive children with caretakers who could neither train them or steer them clear of the dark side. I shouldn't have to check wookiepedia or read a novel to know these things. Most of them are (or should be) major plot points.
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X-Wings in the EU always got the "they're new" kind of treatment, but I totally agree on Y-Wings... YW's were always a CW era ship that found its way, stripped to the bones, to the Alliance. While the cartoon tried to squeeze them into the CW, the films didn't, and I think Lucas **** the bed on that.
And the ARC-170 is anything but an X-WIng predecessor... Z-95's though? Again, another moment where Lucas could've given a fan wank with that ship, and to the EU, and to Ralph McQuarrie. They too may be sneaking into the CW series, but it's not the same as showing them in the PT...
INstead, 100% new designs like Jedi Fighters and the V-Wing. *shrugs*
Dusting off this thread just a bit...
I really agree with this as well. I'd really have like to see the ship designs from the CW era tie in A LOT closer with the OT. Don't get me wrong, for the most part they are all cool designs, I just don't find them particularly logical for the timeframe.
The Republic had been around for what 20000 years or so? That is a hell of a long time for a spacefaring culture to be around. At some point they had to have come to a technological plateau. I'd think that they'd likely keep the same designs for much longer than the 20 year gap between ROTS and Star Wars. Hell even between AOTC and ROTS ship designs change drastically. By today's standards we tend to keep fighter aircraft in service for 20-30 years at least. The F-16 was debuted in the late 70s and it is still in active service and production today. Considering how much technology has changed since the 1970s, that is really saying something about the longevity of our modern fighter aircraft. There is no way that in the Star Wars universe spacecraft would be phased out service faster than we phase out our fighters today.
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I agree, and I think the technological plateau would have been something of a motivator for some of the varied interests in the Clone Wars in terms of using the war as a means to push innovation. Some of it is backwards. The Vulture Droid for instance - far more advanced than anything in the OT, but missing in those films - wouldn't the Rebels have been digging these things out of storage?
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Well there was a bias against droids in the galaxy. R2 and 3po weren't let into the cantina. Maybe the bias came from various droid invasions. Smart droids were really looked down on.
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I agree, and I think the technological plateau would have been something of a motivator for some of the varied interests in the Clone Wars in terms of using the war as a means to push innovation. Some of it is backwards. The Vulture Droid for instance - far more advanced than anything in the OT, but missing in those films - wouldn't the Rebels have been digging these things out of storage?
I got the impression that these things were crazy expensive and not all that smart without a control ship. The rebellion had money, but I don't think they had that kind of money or any real manufacturing capabilities outside of the shipyards around Dac.
I agree on the ships. Every time someone does a prequel (Star Wars, Star Trek, etc.) they seem to want to spice up the tech to be even better than what clearly comes after it. I don't get it. You could have some awesome space battles with headhunters and Y-Wings instead of these brand new ships. Likewise, I wish they had focused more on OTC aliens than all the new ones they created. I'd much rather see more Rodians, Ithorians, Trandoshans, Dresellions, etc. in the background or even as main characters. Imagine Maul as a Trandoshan.
I also like Lestat's idea of showing more background on big issues. I'd much rather see Jedi trials or better understand how they find and train Jedi versus a 30 minute pod race or vast tour of the Gungan underwater city.
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I regard this as more of a general story issue, rather than a single missed moment. Simply because it seemed that the story of Attack of the Clones may not have been that set in stone when The Phantom Menace was in production.
I think the overall story of the decline of the Jedi might have been better served had Christopher Lee been cast as Jedi Master Dooku in Episode I. And having Dooku on the Jedi Council in that film might have given his storyline more gravitas moving forward through the PT. Exchanges between him, Yoda, Mace Windu and Qui-Gon Jinn in those Jedi Council scenes could have shed more light on Anakin Skywalker's future, as well as that of the Jedi. This in turn, could have made his standing in Episode II have far greater weight, and also given his treachery that much more impact. However, I think Lucas simply was not thinking that far in advance.
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Better yet. Replace Quigon with Dooku in TPM. In that case you have the master (Dooku) betraying the apprentance (Obiwan). Later, you have the apprentace (Anakin) betraying the master (Obiwan).
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Better yet. Replace Quigon with Dooku in TPM. In that case you have the master (Dooku) betraying the apprentance (Obiwan). Later, you have the apprentace (Anakin) betraying the master (Obiwan).
Hmmm. I don't think that would work as well. That would just seem a little too neat and tidy.
Also, even if it was brief, Qui-Gon did serve as a sort of father figure to Anakin in Episode I. And the recurring theme with Anakin's PT story arc is loss. First he has to leave home in order to join the Jedi Order. And then he loses his father figure, Qui-Gon Jinn.
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I believe Qui-Gon was a complete waste of a jedi. It would have been better if he just went bad and became the Dooku character. He was already on the way to being bad by using his force powers to control minds. Would obiwan go against the jedi council with a "hell you say, I'm training the boy anyway" attitude? Would obiwan try to manipulate Watto for a cheap engine? Lucas should have just used Dooku or Qui-Gon but not both.
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Part of me wonders if that wasn't in the cards at one point in Lucas' mind... What with him being "willful" and not listening to the council and all.
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Ditto on being disappointed that the Y-Wing wasn't the cat's meow in the prequels... I guess that wouldn't sell as many toys, though.
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I would have preferred the Y-Wing in ROTS to the ARC fighters. They all seemed like heavy bomber-type craft, so why not just use the Y-Wing? I felt like the ARC was kind of a ****** design.
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I don't mind the ARC, but I view it as a wholely separate design and designation as far as fighters go... the fact they skipped over Y-Wings and Z-95's will, forever, be a ****** move on LFL's part.
I personally found JSF's a bit of a joke too... poor designs, the whole "hyperspace ring" thing was a letdown.
I will say I really liked the Torrent fighters which, again, weren't in the movies. Good design. Unique and fun. No HD makes them like a TIE Fighter... Play on that. Make JSF's bigger and more self-sufficient type fighters (like an X-Wing). the little tiny design was meh. Have the ROTS one then as a bridge to TIE Fighters, and move on from there.
The ARC-170, I don't mind the design, I just look at it as a ship in its own class, and felt it was a silly ship to be flanking 2 JSF's in ROTS's opening. Y-Wings and Z95's would've been so great.
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Oh man...Y-Wings and Z-95s would have been ******* epic.
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+2.
I know they came from video games but at least they look like the predecessor to the X and Y-wings.
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The Z-95's actually Ralph McQuarrie's concept art for the X-Wing, which was adapted by West End Games as an "ancient" fighter in the galaxy that was used by the Alliance prior to the X-Wing, and even after (well after in other EU) due to its reliability, mass production, and customizability. Many sources listed it as a CW era fighter or older then.
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The Z-95's actually Ralph McQuarrie's concept art for the X-Wing,
Even better reason to like it. Thanks for the info, Jesse.
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I definitely agree on the Y-Wing. The backstory on that fighter had established that it was an older model, and that link back to the end of the Clone Wars would have been a nice connection. It's nice that the Clone Wars series had the opportunity to correct that discrepancy, but a movie appearance would have been far cooler.
As for the ARC-170? It's design definitely shows a common lineage with the X-Wing. But I think that we saw something interesting in ROTS when the ARC-170's got taken out by the Droid Tri-Fighters. The bigger design wasn't necessarily better. And perhaps it took the 20 years between REVENGE OF THE SITH and A NEW HOPE to make those leaps forward in design that led to the Z-95 and eventually the X-Wing.
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I've always disagreed with the lineage of the ARC and X-Wing... The ARC had a somewhat similar shape, but I felt that the ship's obvious differences with teh X-Wing definitely implied ships for different purposes and such, regardless of what was written about it being a predecessor or whatnot.
It's like the AT-RT being linked to the AT-ST... I always felt like both having two legs was as close as it got. The ARC was sort of similar. It struck me, if anything, as having a relation closer to the Y-Wing (but still fairly distant IMO) or a B-Wing perhaps. The ARC didn't seem, at all, like a superiority fighter, whereas the X-Wing seemed to be the perfect superiority fighter balance.
It's one of those things I didn't like about the prequals though, and I just separate these vehicles ultimately.
Here's another I would've loved to have seen. AT-PT... That should've replaced the AT-RT ultimately, IMO. Why they went with the RT and it's incredibly flawed design of a completely exposed driver, I'll never know. What good would a vehicle like that do for you that a speederbike wouldn't do better, in every imaginable way? I'll never know.
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Agreed. I think the AT-RT is about as useful as a Segway scooter...and about as cool (which is to say, completely uncool).
I feel like the S-foils on the ARC fighter were added for no functional reason, other than to try to reference the X-Wing. I understand the bull**** excuse that the ARC fighter's S-foils are used in heat dissipation or something like that, but they really, really, really missed the mark in featuring an OT vehicle there, or at least something that seemed very similar.
Hell, I would have loved to see a B-Wing. I know that doesn't make sense from an EU perspective, but I would have gladly ignored that bit of EU to see a shiny, new squad of B-Wings on an assault run against the Separatist capital ships. It even would have added to the excitement of seeing it in ROTJ. Obviously I just love the B-Wing in general.
And these references to the rebel ships of the OT would have reinforced the idea that the rebels took a lot of old tech and adapted it for use against the Empire. That's one of the biggest "missed moments" of the prequels in my opinion.
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The thing with the s-foils on the ARC were that they technically weren't even S-Foils... There's no weaponry on the ends of them for a wider fire pattern or anything.
And as far as it being reminiscent of the X-Wing, other than the shape they open to, that's my beef... They're really nothing like the X-Wing's are other than the shape! MANY ships have folding wings. V-19's, B-Wings, ships from The Old Republic, ships from The New Republic, ships from The Republic, and how many shuttles now?
I think it's probably something done for a variety of reasons... space constraints when out of service (ala planes on an aircraft carrier), maneuverability improvements (either in space or not), wider firing patterns for weaponry, "heat dissipation" (I can buy it), etc.
To me it's like walkers... It's not a lineage because a walker has 2 legs, so it must be related to all walkers with 2 legs. That's like saying anything rolling on tracks is the same, when the reality is the vehicle may be an APC, it may be a tank destroyer, it may be mobile artillery, it may be a multi-purpose piece of armor, it may be a tractor for towing heavier equipment... not to mention if it is a tank, it may be a light tank, heavy tank, medium tank, etc.
It was another shining example of oversimplification of the visuals for marketing purposes. I hated that. And to that end the ARC-170 and AT-RT failed on every level but simplistic similarities to have a true tie to OT vehicles.
That's a big raeson the Y-Wing would've worked on an epic level... It just needed to be the CW armored version in the Prequals for it to have worked perfectly as a ship you would recognize, that had been stripped down to bare bones by the time of the Alliance... It would stand as a testament that it could still compete that long past its "hey day" as a military craft. The same with the Z-95 but more tied to the EU past it has since it would ultimately be a wholely different fighter to the X-Wing (and EU just ties them together as from the same manufacturer and many of the 95's features being carried over into the X-Wing's new space superiority fighter design, blah blah blah).
The AT-PT, for my money, just makes more sense. It still wouldn't have been a further step to the AT-ST as I see them as wholely separate purposes, but it would've been an incredibly cooler design than some guy riding a walking moped into battle.
Sadly the cartoon's actually made the RT cooler by making it quite nimble, so I can buy it as a weapon of war, but to me it does nothing better than a Speederbike with ultimately a similar goal in mind. Speed, agility, etc., while still giving a small weapons platform. I suppose one could argue that it is a better static mobile gun (think like having the little gun that drops out of the Falcon for Han to clear away his ship from danger) to do infantry support, than a speederbike would be, but it's still got an exposed operator which makes it a very unsafe thing to just stop and start shooting with it trying to support some infantry in the process.
Maybe the antenna's boost communication signals for infantry squads that are near it? :-\ I've been thinking about that, and "counter-jamming" issues since communication jamming does come up in Star Wars some.
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I never really saw a significant link from the AT-RT to the AT-ST other than they both have 2 legs. Rather, the AT-ST looks like it was the result of a combination of the concepts behind the AT-AP and the AT-RT. The AT-ST has the size and crew protection of the AT-AP, but the 2 legs and mobility of the AT-RT.
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Lots of missed moments...
Personally, I would heve liked to see the Prequels start with Attack of the clones. Maybe just take Maul from TPM and stick him in the first movie.
They could have dove into more of the Jedi. Specifcally Obi-Wan..would have likd to see his development even more. Only a few minutes of them battling the droids wasn't enough. Missed diving into the main characters themselves. They almost seemed like a simple background character themselves.
Clones...more of the battles. Also wold have liked to see more prototype moments similar to when we see the plas for th Death Star.
More linking the OT to te prequels.. Woul have liked to see more tim spent on places like Alderaan...give you mor to go on, and more to feel for the people of the planet when it was destroyed in the original movie. Tie it in more somehow. Also, would hae liked tosee more of te beginnings of the Reellion...they could have done more vs. deleting the scenes showing it more as an underground movement.
I think they shoud have started out showing ho the Galaxy was at peace and was flourishing before the politcs came in and the Clone Wars ravaged everything. They kind of dive into the politics, ad yo never got a full feeling everythig was great before the Empire and bad after. They missed showing the big picture to dive into the small stories of too many characters.
I love anything Star Wars, and to me even BAD star Wars is better than 95% of what Hollwood is churning out these days.
I call them good movies, that could have been done much much better.