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Title: Insomnia = Hell
Post by: CHEWIE on July 22, 2005, 10:49 AM
I can't believe what happened to me yesterday.

I got very little sleep Monday night, and did not even fall asleep either Tuesday or Wednesday night.  Before falling asleep last night, I had gone almost 60 straight hours without falling asleep. 

So they made me leave work yesterday to get checked out.  After going to the doctor, they gave me some prescription sleep medicine to use for two weeks.  I may have to go see a specialist.

I have plans to go out of town with my friends this weekend... I really shouldn't go on a float trip/camping though; I shouldn't drink, be in the heat, etc.  It sounds really stupid, I know.  But I had a major anxiety attack and am really stressed out.  Just going one single night without sleep can take 2-3 weeks for your body to get back to normal.  I hope nobody makes fun of me for this because it isn't funny.  I took 6 sleeping pills and half a bottle of Nyquil on Wednesday night and I still couldn't relax.

I've always had trouble sleeping, but with stress at work and a lot of things on my mind I guess it hit me like a brick wall.

Physically and mentally I'm drained.  I am still going to go this weekend though, but probably won't be myself.

Anyone else have problems with insomnia?

 :P
Title: Re: Insomnia = Hell
Post by: DoctorPadawan on July 22, 2005, 11:57 AM
Chewie, first of all, anyone who makes fun of you or makes jokes about what you're dealing with doesn't even deserve to be listened to.  Okay, now that that is out of the way, I went into a bit more detail in the PM I just sent you, but the most important thing is that you have seen a doctor about it, and that you are taking steps to try and combat it.

And as I said in the PM, the best prescription you can have is uninterrupted rest.  Dark room, drawn blinds, no phones, no computers, no television, no radios...just plenty of rest. 
Title: Re: Insomnia = Hell
Post by: CHEWIE on July 22, 2005, 12:59 PM
Thanks DP, and for the PM.

 :P
Title: Re: Insomnia = Hell
Post by: Scott on July 22, 2005, 03:34 PM
I've had trouble sleeping since Erik was born last Spring.  I am doing alright but usually only get 4-6 hours a night.  I've tried cutting back on caffiene and reading more but it hasn't done any good.  I am not too worried about it yet because I usually have no trouble waking up in the morning
Title: Re: Insomnia = Hell
Post by: hansolo_506 on July 22, 2005, 06:19 PM
I have suffered from insomnia and migraines for most of my adult life (18+).  The years before that were marked by a lot of sleepwalking.

I feel your pain.
Title: Re: Insomnia = Hell
Post by: JediMAC on July 22, 2005, 06:55 PM
I have some serious sleep problems as well.  Once I'm actually asleep, I can easily sleep for 10-12 hours, if I don't have to get up for anything (which is rarely the case).  It's actually falling asleep where I have huge problems.  I've always been a total nightowl, ever since I was a little kid, so that's part of the problem, especially when I have to wake up early for work each day.  But the older I've gotten, with the added stresses and responsibilities of real world stuff (post-college), I've had an absolute bitch of a time ever falling asleep.

As soon as I hit the bed, my mind starts racing with a bajillion thoughts.  Usually makes it damned near impossible to ever fall asleep many nights.  I'll often wind up wandering back out to the living room after an hour of trying, and just plop down on the couch and eventually fall asleep watching some cable TV flicks.  I usually don't get to bed 'til about 2am at the earliest, and often much later than that.  I probably average about 5 hours of sleep a night, which I know is way less than my body wants.  Back when I slept when I wanted to and for as long as I wanted to (college), I probably slept about 9-10 hours a night.  Actually, I'd usually wake up around noon/1pm, so "night" probably isn't the right term to use there.

I am not too worried about it yet because I usually have no trouble waking up in the morning

I'm just the opposite.  I usually feel like I've been run over by a mack truck every morning when I try to get up and become functional after only having slept about half as long as my body probably wanted to.

Anyway, I know at least several other guys on this board who have some serious sleep problems too, so you're not alone Justin!  Good luck with things.  60 straight hours up is pretty crazy though, so hopefully those sleeping pills help out a bit...
Title: Re: Insomnia = Hell
Post by: Gregorbian on July 22, 2005, 07:20 PM
Jeez CHEWIE, I hope that doctor can help you out!  There's nothing wrong with going to a doctor about something like this, and as DP has mentioned, making fun of you for that would be far lower than the quality of JDers that I have interacted with thus far. 
Take things easy and make some hi-quality CHEWIE customs  ;D
Title: Re: Insomnia = Hell
Post by: Darby on July 23, 2005, 06:32 AM
I hope you get better, man, I know how it goes.  I'm a night owl, too, like right now.   :)  I haven't gotten much sleep in the last week, but more than you it sounds like, so take it easy.
Title: Re: Insomnia = Hell
Post by: Ryan on July 24, 2005, 06:54 AM
Sorry to hear that man. My mom has insomnia and I think I do too, to some extent. I know how no sleep can be rough, I have a really bad ear infection in my right ear and I always sleep it on my right side it sucks so bad I can't fall asleep. I guess it is a good thing I'm a vampire or I would be worse off. ;) Sometines I wonder what's wrong with me, like now it is 4:53 am, what the hell am I still doing up?
Title: Re: Insomnia = Hell
Post by: Jim on July 24, 2005, 03:20 PM
As a former insomniac let me warn you to not get in the habit of sleeping aids.  Especially Ambien.  I became dependent on this crap and when I finally stopped taking it I could not get into a regular sleep pattern for what seemed like months.  From a family with many in the Medical practice, dont let a doctor tell you it is not addictive.  It is. The people I know who use this find they have to continue using this or some other sleep aid.  Its very unhealthy.  Not so much physically but mentally.  My problem is like a ton of other people.  Once I lay down I begin analyzing the next day and the hundreds of things I need to do.  You need to be at peace with yourself. 
Title: Re: Insomnia = Hell
Post by: CHEWIE on July 24, 2005, 04:08 PM
Guys, thanks for all of the tips, advice and personal stories.  I'm sorry to see that some other people suffer through this too.
 
For the past few months, I've had a weekend planned with some friends to go on a camping trip about 2-1/2 hours south of St. Louis for this weekend.  We still went even though the doctor advised me not too... actually, I thought it was just what I needed.  Drink a few beers (way less than normal though), hang out on a canoe, relax at a camp site with my pals, etc.  It was about 100 degrees though yesterday, and pretty miserable... but the weather was just the tip of the iceberg. 
 
Unfortunately, when we were asleep last night, someone broke into our camp site and stole a friend's wallet with a lot of cash, credit cards, his license, etc.  And my best friend just got engaged last week - his fiance had the ring in their truck in a backpack - the ******* thief stole it. 
 
Around 2am, when we were asleep, one of my other buddies (the one whose wallet was stolen) woke up because someone was trying to get into my parents' Ford Explorer that I had borrowed (he was sleeping in it).  He thought it was me trying to get in.  So my friend got out and starting walking around, and then realized that I was in my tent sleeping.  He walked around some more and saw some guy hiding in the woods.  He confronted the guy, and the guy said he was just drunk and going back to his campsite.  Then he got in a car and drove off.
 
This morning after finding out, I was going to go up to the camp office to report what happened.  I couldn't find my damn keys... then we found them in the dirt, with the Explorer key missing.  We found it on the other side of the Explorer.  The ******* had tried to get in the SUV with it.  The remote entry device was gone from the keychain though and we couldn't find it.
 
If my friend hadn't gotten in the Explorer, the thief would have gotten in and taken my wallet, my wife's purse, and other people's wallets/purses too.  And even a gun as one of my other best buddies is a US Marshall who was down with us, and his glock pistol was in the glove box.
 
Really sucks.... poor girl loses her engagement ring (the diamond was handed down to her from her mother 11 years ago for when she got married), a wallet is stolen, etc.  And I'm still pretty damn stressed out!
 
Guess we need to be more careful and not so naive that there are people out there that are like that.  I've camped there twice a year since 1995 and never heard of anything like this happening there.

Anyways, I didn't sleep very well the last few nights either... last night doesn't really count though.  I probably shouldn't have gone camping.

 :P
 
 


Title: Re: Insomnia = Hell
Post by: JesseVader08 on July 24, 2005, 05:13 PM
What a crappy experience CHEWIE.  There's always gotta be some jerk out there to ruin what should have been a fun time.  Don't let this slow down your efforts to return to regular sleep.
Title: Re: Insomnia = Hell
Post by: Gregorbian on July 24, 2005, 10:06 PM
Jeez CHEWIE, that's horrible!  >:( 
It seems like all of your recent vacations keep getting ruined! 
I don't really have any helpful advice that hasn't already been given, but I hope you feel better!
Title: Re: Insomnia = Hell
Post by: Mister Skeezler on July 25, 2005, 02:01 PM
****! I'm sorry to hear about all the troubles you've been having, CHEWIE.

I don't have any advice on the theft stuff, but as far as the insomnia goes, I've had a little experience with that. As someone who's had a few anxiety attacks (you mentioned anxiety, but your case might be different), I can tell you that falling asleep can be difficult. One of the reasons that you'll have trouble is that falling asleep involves losing control, and if you have high anxiety, you're fighting the loss of control.

What I did was to visualize an object. Concentrating very hard on something took my mind off the anxiety as well as whatever else was swimming around in my head. Then, very slowly, imagine the object receding into the distance and visualize nothing around it...just darkness. Its almost as if you're slowly backing up away from it. The better you can visualize something, the better this is. Doing that, I was able to fall into a very restful sleep. Its similar to meditation, and it worked great for me.

Also, alcohol won't help you sleep, because as your body breaks it down, you actually become more awake.

Hope that helps!  :)
Title: Re: Insomnia = Hell
Post by: Famine on July 25, 2005, 08:13 PM
Sorry to hear about your bummer camping trip. I know how that is to have ******** ruin a camping trip.

I also have trouble getting to sleep at night. I work two jobs, and when I come home I just want to relax and have fun. I'll get super tired of sitting at the PC. or watching TV, or even reading a book, and go to my room, lay down, and wind up thinking about 100 different things, and usualy I worry myself into an awake panic over somthing silly, and get little to no sleep only to have to wake up at 5:50 am to go to work.

The only advice I can offer is listening to some classical music very quietly on a headset when trying to sleep. Or even nature sounds. They help me sometimes.

Kevin

P.S. Your money arive yet?
Title: Re: Insomnia = Hell
Post by: CHEWIE on July 25, 2005, 10:09 PM
Thanks guys.  I think my problem might be, is there are only 24 hours in a day and I wish there were more?

I appreciate all of the kind words and suggestions.  I really hope this is a problem that I can get over soon.  It's just not easy.  Even with the medicine I am still having trouble.  It might be time to see a specialist or even a psychiatrist.

Famine, I'll send you a PM.   ;)

 :P
Title: Re: Insomnia = Hell
Post by: JesseVader08 on July 26, 2005, 12:50 AM
Thanks guys.  I think my problem might be, is there are only 24 hours in a day and I wish there were more?

Wow, ain't that the truth?  I bet we could all benefit from that.   ;)
Title: Re: Insomnia = Hell
Post by: Mister Skeezler on July 26, 2005, 12:08 PM
Thanks guys.  I think my problem might be, is there are only 24 hours in a day and I wish there were more?

I appreciate all of the kind words and suggestions.  I really hope this is a problem that I can get over soon.  It's just not easy.  Even with the medicine I am still having trouble.  It might be time to see a specialist or even a psychiatrist.

CHEWIE, go see a psychologist. A psychiatrist will just throw some medication at your problem, while a psychologist will help you deal with any problems that may be below the surface without the meds. You'll feel much better confronting your problems than you will by medicating them. Sometimes its just stuff that you need to be able to process and get past, and the mind is trying to get you to deal with the stuff.

If it ends up not working out, you can always go to a psychiatrist and get some meds, but at least you'll know you tried to solve the problem without their overpriced designer drug ****.
Title: Re: Insomnia = Hell
Post by: CHEWIE on July 26, 2005, 01:08 PM
You're probably right Ed.  A psychiatrist would probably tell me I'm a manic depressant.  I'm not feeling depressed or down at all.  Never have my entire life.   :)

 :P
Title: Re: Insomnia = Hell
Post by: DoctorPadawan on July 26, 2005, 02:28 PM
I'm seconding what LTS said: In your situation, a psychologist is the right way to go.  One of my main gripes with psychiatry is that there is a focus on medication being the "miracle cure" for any problem out there.  On the other hand, in some cases, just psychological counseling without medication management does not work either. 

In an insomnia-related situation, you have already gone to a doctor and received sleeping pills.  I will echo what I said in that PM last week by saying again: be very careful when taking the pills and be sure to inform your doctor if there are any changes.  Your GP should be the person you talk to about the physical side of your insomnia; the psychologist/counselor, if you choose to see one, should only deal with the mental side of the problem.

If you do decide to see a psychologist, I want to tell you up front that you should probably not let the initial session be a deciding factor in whether or not you want to continue psychological treatment.  A lot of people will go to one therapist for one session and say, "Well that did me no good" and leave and never go back.  You're more than likely not going to find the "right" therapist on the first try, either due to your own expectations of treatment (which any good therapist will lay out from the get-go and make you an active part of where you want treatment to go) or their methods (Traditional Psychoanalysis would not be the type of therapy to seek out) or just how you feel with the person.  The first session will probably be a "get to know you" type of thing but you should, above all else, let the psychologist know what you want to accomplish at the very beginning. 

As Lando said, 90% of psychiatrists will just throw some meds at you (often times switching them around on a regular basis until they find "what works") and charge you a bunch of money.  This is not to say that they are not good doctors and fine clinicians, but a psychiatrist's job isn't to sit and listen to your problems for an hour; that's a psychologist's job.  As you already see a doctor for the medication management aspect of the insomnia, seeing a psychiatrist would simply be a waste of your time and money.

And one other thing about counseling that I feel a lot of people take the wrong way is this: Psychologists do not solve your problems for you.  Only you can solve your problems, and psychologists and counselors are there to help you do so.  I'm not of the school of thought that says the client should control where everything is going and the counselor should be a passive observer (I prefer an approach that is cognitive behavioral in many respects, where the counselor is direct and the client has to work to better their situation instead of just letting them sit there).  It is going to be hard work and you might come face to face with some truths you hadn't considered, but for the majority of people who stick with it and give it a chance (Woody Allen excepted; I think he just likes the attention), psychological counseling/therapy is beneficial and can help you come to grips with problems that have bothered/are bothering you.

Oh, and Tom Cruise is a ******* lunatic scumbag who is basing all his arguments on erroneous information supplied to him by his now dead "master" who was disbarred from the AMA and APA for falsifying and exaggerating research in published articles in peer reviewed journals.  So, whenever you see Cruise or Travolta or Kirstie Alley on television talking about how psychiatry and psychology are evil, just know that they're doing it because their lord and savior held a grudge for being revealed as a fraud.

But regardless, Chewie, if you have any questions about any of this, or if you just want some honest and unbiased feedback, feel free to PM me.
Title: Re: Insomnia = Hell
Post by: CHEWIE on July 26, 2005, 09:02 PM
Thanks DP.  I really appreciate your concern for my well being.  Seriously.

I hope I haven't come across as a nut case to you or anyone else here.  Just have a slight sleeping problem that may or may not be related to stress, and for the first time in my life I'm taking my health seriously.

Everyone in my immediate family has been diagnosed with depression and anxiety.  Hopefully I'm just the guy that wants to do more in a 24 hour day than is possible, and because of that I have a hard time going to sleep.

 :P
Title: Re: Insomnia = Hell
Post by: DoctorPadawan on July 26, 2005, 09:35 PM
Quote
I hope I haven't come across as a nut case to you or anyone else here.

I can't speak for anyone else here, but as far as I go, that thought has never entered my mind, and if someone else thought that, I'd be really disappointed in them. 

The simple fact that you are taking steps to find out what the problem is and attempt to treat and/or solve it is very admirable and I only wish that more people would take that kind of initiative when they experience health problems of either the physical or mental type.  Asking questions about something you want to know more about is never anything to feel bad about, so if you have any questions at all once you figure out exactly what you want to do, please feel free to PM me.

But above all, I do hope that you are able to figure out what is causing you the sleep problems and that things look up for you soon.  :)
Title: Re: Insomnia = Hell
Post by: Gregorbian on July 26, 2005, 11:15 PM
I hope I haven't come across as a nut case to you or anyone else here. 

The only thing about you that I think is crazy is your crazy customizing skill!.  Ok that was cheesey as hell, but you get my drift  ;)
Title: Re: Insomnia = Hell
Post by: CHEWIE on July 28, 2005, 10:18 AM
I hope I haven't come across as a nut case to you or anyone else here. 

The only thing about you that I think is crazy is your crazy customizing skill!.  Ok that was cheesey as hell, but you get my drift  ;)

Hey, that's ok if it's cheesy.  I like cheese.   :D

Your customizing skill is way beyond my meager talents Greg!

 :P
Title: Re: Insomnia = Hell
Post by: Gregorbian on July 28, 2005, 11:58 PM
Your customizing skill is way beyond my meager talents Greg!

Ummm, I'm not trying to be modest or anything, but there is no way that I can match this:
(http://chewie34.250free.com/DarthTirus.jpg)

 ;D
Title: Re: Insomnia = Hell
Post by: CHEWIE on July 30, 2005, 02:33 AM
Thanks for the compliment Greg, but there's a ton of work that you've done that I can't come close to.

Well, unfortunately I am up typing right now because I can't sleep.  I laid down early tonight, but to no avail.  So at 11:00 I went to Walmart on a toy run.  Got home, laid back down; tons of things running through my head. 

I tried to sleep without taking my prescription tonight, but that didn't work.  Unbelievable.  I just took it.  Hopefully in the next hour or so I can fall asleep.

And I made an appointment to see my personal doctor for Thursday. 

 :P
Title: Re: Insomnia = Hell
Post by: Loopy_Leia on July 31, 2005, 12:44 AM
Check your PM's Chewie :) 
Title: Re: Insomnia = Hell
Post by: CHEWIE on July 31, 2005, 10:08 AM
Thanks for the PM Loopy_Leia, what you said was very nice and thoughful.  I sent you one too.   ;)

 :P
Title: Re: Insomnia = Hell
Post by: CHEWIE on August 3, 2005, 10:28 AM
Wow, I've had 6 different people from here PM me regarding this.  I really appreciate all of the kind words everyone.  Everyone here is so thoughtful and caring.  Yet another reason this is the best forum around.

Anyways, I've slept a little better the past couple of nights.  I do have a doctor's appt. tomorrow afternoon.

 :P
Title: Re: Insomnia = Hell
Post by: CHEWIE on August 5, 2005, 11:01 AM
Finally had my appointment with the doctor yesterday.  I had a routine physical done (chickened out on the bloodwork though) and they said that physically, I'm in perfect health.

They did say that I have chronic insomnia however.  Starting today I am going to be on Lunestra for 6 months, and take it from there.  I also have to cut caffeine out of my diet after 2pm each day.

Last night was another tough night sleeping, but hopefully that will change starting tonight.

 :P
Title: Re: Insomnia = Hell
Post by: Gregorbian on August 5, 2005, 04:07 PM
They did say that I have chronic insomnia however.  Starting today I am going to be on Lunestra for 6 months, and take it from there.  I also have to cut caffeine out of my diet after 2pm each day.

Last night was another tough night sleeping, but hopefully that will change starting tonight.

 :P

Good luck CHEWIE!  I don't drink coffee, but I couldn't imagine cutting out caffeine.   :-\
Title: Re: Insomnia = Hell
Post by: Ranat on August 7, 2005, 08:30 PM
For about five months now, I have been having trouble falling asleep at night. I try everything, but it never works. And if I do stay up all night, I'll be up for about 30 hours, and then I will finally crash and end up sleeping for the next 16 hours.

I can't stand it anymore. I hope things change when my summer session at college is over, which is this week.
Title: Re: Insomnia = Hell
Post by: JediMAC on August 18, 2005, 04:11 AM
Getting any better these days, Justin?

Mine's not so much.  Maybe about 5 hours a night for me, which totally blows.  I need about twice that much, probably...  :-\
Title: Re: Insomnia = Hell
Post by: name on August 18, 2005, 03:18 PM
The answer, gentlemen, is at the end of your arm.
Title: Re: Insomnia = Hell
Post by: CHEWIE on August 18, 2005, 03:34 PM
Ha.  I don't think the answer is a simple as that unfortunately...

My wife has gone all out to try and take care of my sleeping problem (God bless her body and soul) but it's taken a prescription of Lunesta to really get things working better for me.

I started taking it about 10 days ago, and all but one night it's seemed to kick in pretty quick. 

My problem is that I just can't get things out of my head before falling asleep.  It's crazy.

ranat and JediMAC, I sincerely hope it gets better for you.  Don't be afraid to see a doctor about it.  It was the first time I had been to a doctor in 14 years. I didn't want to go, but it has helped.  Still not sleeping as well as I'd like, but definitely better.

 :P
Title: Re: Insomnia = Hell
Post by: Famine on August 18, 2005, 06:30 PM
Know what I do when I cant sleep? I hold the pillow over my face untill I stop moving. :P

Kevin
Title: Re: Insomnia = Hell
Post by: CHEWIE on August 23, 2005, 05:32 AM
Well, unfortunately it's hit me again hard tonight.  4:30am and I'm awake.   :'(

 :P
Title: Re: Insomnia = Hell
Post by: Tracy on August 23, 2005, 08:26 AM
Getting any better these days, Justin?

Mine's not so much.  Maybe about 5 hours a night for me, which totally blows.  I need about twice that much, probably...  :-\
Here's what ya do -- get yourself one or two of those cute little babies to stay up half the night with you to keep you company ;D  Or better yet.  They can get you up every couple of hours -- just as you've finally drifted off to sleep from the last go 'round........... : ;)
Title: Re: Insomnia = Hell
Post by: Famine on August 23, 2005, 11:54 AM
Well, unfortunately it's hit me again hard tonight.  4:30am and I'm awake.   :'(

 :P

Damn. :( You ever try a neck tornoquete?

Kevin
Title: Re: Insomnia = Hell
Post by: CHEWIE on September 7, 2005, 05:46 PM
Unfortunately the problem seems to be coming back, even with the medication.  Over Labor Day weekend it was kind of rough falling to sleep, but Monday night I didn't fall asleep until about 3:30am, and last night I didn't fall asleep at all... at least not until about 9:00am this morning, then I got up at 2:00pm.  Fortunately my work is understanding, but I can't let this go on.

So, I have another doctor's appointment for tomorrow.

 :P
Title: Re: Insomnia = Hell
Post by: Rob on September 7, 2005, 05:54 PM
My problem is that I just can't get things out of my head before falling asleep.  It's crazy

I have the same problem often.  I don't think I have insomnia by any means, but it often takes me an hour or more to fall asleep - it's like my brain doesn't shut off.  Once I'm asleep, I sleep soundly and for plenty of time - but I'm always so wound up during the day that I don't unwind easily.  My girlfriend is asleep 30 seconds after she closes her eyes.  It's amazing.

Title: Re: Insomnia = Hell
Post by: CHEWIE on September 7, 2005, 07:16 PM
Isn't that crazy Zod?  My wife can fall asleep in a couple of hearbeats too.  Always been that way for her.  It's actually aggravating to me that she can fall asleep so easily but I can't.  It's like I have to put 100% effort into falling asleep.  But then sometimes I can't and my mind is going too fast, my heart is beating rapidly and I keep breaking out in bad sweats.

 :P
Title: Re: Insomnia = Hell
Post by: Gregorbian on September 8, 2005, 12:26 AM
I'm the exact opposite (usually) from my girlfriend.  It usually takes me about 30-45 mins to fall asleep, but if my girlfriend starts thinking about not being able to fall asleep, she'll be up all night.  I think that she just psyches herself out of being able to sleep though, plus she's a light sleeper.
I used to have major troubles sleeping, and it sounds kinda like what happens to you CHEWIE - I used  to be thinking about too many things and I couldn't relax enough to sleep; I would be too busy thinking about different stuff.  I'm not sure what I did, but since college I have (usually) been able to just fall asleep without much effort.  I still think about a lot of stuff before going to sleep, but I try to keep it either unfocused (try not to think about something for very long) or very detailed (step by step walkthrough of how to do an upcoming custom).  I try to avoid the middle ground because that seems to be when I have trouble sleeping...
Title: Re: Insomnia = Hell
Post by: CHEWIE on September 8, 2005, 09:03 AM
Sounds pretty similar to what I'm going through Greg.  I actually fell asleep somewhat fast last night, but woke up at 2:30am and haven't been to sleep since.  Man this sucks.

I'm getting some tests done in a couple hours, and I hate bloodwork.  It makes me very, very sick.  Truly my idea of hell.

 :P
Title: Re: Insomnia = Hell
Post by: Rob on September 8, 2005, 09:51 AM
I've been wondering if something like yoga might help me learn to fall asleep faster - learning to blank my mind or something like that...  One thing that's for certain is that if you concentrate on falling asleep, you never will.
Title: Re: Insomnia = Hell
Post by: Tracy on September 8, 2005, 10:05 AM
Chewie and Zod -- I feel for you -- I went through something similar to that a few years ago.  It worked itself out eventually.  I still go through spells though.  It gets into a vicious cycle -- the more I get stressed about not sleeping -- the harder it is to sleep.  Sleep deprevation is underrated, IMO.  People just don't understand what it does to you.  Whether it is a product of insomnia or the nocturnal habits of babies/young children -- it can really wreck you.  Sorry you guys are going through this :(
Title: Re: Insomnia = Hell
Post by: Rob on September 8, 2005, 10:26 AM
Honestly it hasn't been a huge problem for me.  I generally get 7 hours of sleep per night and I sleep soundly.  It can just sometimes be annoying when I got into bed a half hour ago and am not asleep yet.
Title: Re: Insomnia = Hell
Post by: CHEWIE on September 8, 2005, 10:35 PM
Thanks Tamidala.

Well, I went to the doctor again today, and they were shocked that the Lunesta isn't working like it should.  Not to get too personal, but they are putting me on Zocor and Xanax for a while, which are anxiety/anti-depressants.

They did bloodwork too, and seem really concerned about my thyroid.  They said that could have something to do with it.  When I was really young, I had all kinds of tests done because they thought I had a thyroid disease, but whatever it was cleared up.  I'm trying to get more information from my parents about it, but they said that was all there was to it... that I was tested a lot when I was 2-3 years old.  I don't remember any of that.  I should get my blood test results in a few weeks and have to go back to the doctor for another test on Oct. 6th.

Hopefully though, it's not related to that.

 :P
Title: Re: Insomnia = Hell
Post by: Ryan on September 9, 2005, 02:17 AM
Thanks Tamidala.

Well, I went to the doctor again today, and they were shocked that the Lunesta isn't working like it should.  Not to get too personal, but they are putting me on Zocor and Xanax for a while, which are anxiety/anti-depressants.

They did bloodwork too, and seem really concerned about my thyroid.  They said that could have something to do with it.  When I was really young, I had all kinds of tests done because they thought I had a thyroid disease, but whatever it was cleared up.  I'm trying to get more information from my parents about it, but they said that was all there was to it... that I was tested a lot when I was 2-3 years old.  I don't remember any of that.  I should get my blood test results in a few weeks and have to go back to the doctor for another test on Oct. 6th.

Hopefully though, it's not related to that.

 :P

My Mom has Insomnia as well and hers is related to her thyroid I believe. I really don't want to sound negative but nothing has really worked for her either.  :-\

I did see a diet pill on TV that has thyroid control. The lady said, "It works. Really Works." Maybe you could give that a try. :-*
Title: Re: Insomnia = Hell
Post by: CHEWIE on September 11, 2005, 09:24 AM
Hmmmm.... sorry to hear about your mother SLC.  I know how hard it can be.

I saw that diet pill commercial yesterday actually!  I think it's called Thyra-something.  I might end up trying that.

 :P
Title: Re: Insomnia = Hell
Post by: Dressel Rebel on September 11, 2005, 10:24 AM
Thanks Tamidala.

they are putting me on Zocor and Xanax for a while

Mmmm...I think the ol' Zocor is a -statin class drug which basically controls cholesterol levels.

The Xanax makes sense though.

Finally got around to peeking into this thread, it sucks that you're having so much trouble sleeping Justin.  Hopefully one of these cocktails will find it's mark eventually.
Title: Re: Insomnia = Hell
Post by: Tracy on September 11, 2005, 11:43 AM
My mom suffers from insomnia.  Her Dr. put her on Ambien and she has had bad experiences with it.  It works well to help her fall asleep -- but if she wakes up before she sleeps it off -- usually after about 4 hours -- she wanders around the house and babbles and has horrible hallucinations.  The first time it happened it scared my father to death.  He found her on the floor in the kitchen crying because she thought she had killed one of her grandchildren.  No amount of reassuring could convince her otherwise  :'(  It happens everytime she takes it and wakes up too soon. :(
Title: Re: Insomnia = Hell
Post by: CHEWIE on September 11, 2005, 04:06 PM
Whoops, not Zocor - I meant Zoloft.

Tamidala - wow, I'm glad I'm not on Ambien.  My doctor said it could cause some problems with waking up early... maybe she should switch to something else.   :-

Dressel - well, this weekend I've gotten some great sleep for the first time in about 2 months, so hopefully things will start getting better.

 :P

Title: Re: Insomnia = Hell
Post by: Tracy on September 11, 2005, 10:39 PM
Glad to hear you got some good sleep.  Yes, I'm pretty sure my mom has stopped taking the Ambien.  The cure was worse than the problem :(.
Title: Re: Insomnia = Hell
Post by: Dressel Rebel on September 11, 2005, 10:49 PM
Glad to hear you got some good sleep.  Yes, I'm pretty sure my mom has stopped taking the Ambien.  The cure was worse than the problem :(.

Holy crap.  Agreed.
Title: Re: Insomnia = Hell
Post by: CHEWIE on October 25, 2005, 11:14 AM
Well, the problem for the most part has gotten better, thankfully.  But sunday night was a pretty bad night, didn't fall asleep until 4am, had to get up at 7am, so I was exhausted.  And last night I needed to take a double dose of my medicine to fall asleep my 3am.  I hope the cycle isn't happening again.  The last thing I want is more blood work.

 :P
Title: Re: Insomnia = Hell
Post by: Jim on October 25, 2005, 12:01 PM
Wow someone else who had the  same effects as myself on Ambien.  I was on it for a couple days and my wife said it really messed me up so I stopped taking it.  At one point I had gotten up, sleep walked and had a 20-30 minute bizzare discussion with my wife.  She thought I was messed up on some heavy drugs and said my behavior was just over the top.  I dont remember one second of it. 

Xanax will definitetly work for relaxing and helping with the sleep, but I would not recommend it.  Unless it was a very low dosage.  I had a high dosage prescription for flying and it just knocked me out. 

If I have sleep problems nowadays I will occasionaly just use an over the counter sleep pill.  They make me sleep very soundly.  I believe the main thing in them is the same that is used in alot of antihistimenes (sp?).

Title: Re: Insomnia = Hell
Post by: JesseVader08 on October 25, 2005, 12:15 PM

If I have sleep problems nowadays I will occasionaly just use an over the counter sleep pill.  They make me sleep very soundly.  I believe the main thing in them is the same that is used in alot of antihistimenes (sp?).


You're exactly right, Jim.  The over the counter sleeping pills (like Nytol) are antihistamines that have sedation as a side effect and so are marketed for sleeping.  If they are used just once in a while, they are quite safe.  But using them repeatedly can cause some "tolerance" and people become dependent on them for sleep.
Title: Re: Insomnia = Hell
Post by: Tracy on October 25, 2005, 01:13 PM
Well, the problem for the most part has gotten better, thankfully.  But sunday night was a pretty bad night, didn't fall asleep until 4am, had to get up at 7am, so I was exhausted.  And last night I needed to take a double dose of my medicine to fall asleep my 3am.  I hope the cycle isn't happening again.  The last thing I want is more blood work.

 :P

Chewie -- glad to hear that the insomnia was getting better for you :).  I, too, hope that the past couple of nights are just a fluke and that you don't get in that cycle again. :(  Best of luck.
Title: Re: Insomnia = Hell
Post by: Darth Slothus on October 25, 2005, 07:48 PM
I had a slight problem with this last week- was sleeping only 3 hours a nite. Working 2 14 hour shifts last weekend did the trick-natural remedy worked great.

Chewie- hurry up and get some rest will yah, I only want to see the next R. Enloe episode. So get some shuteye so I can view your next spin on it
Title: Re: Insomnia = Hell
Post by: CHEWIE on October 27, 2005, 12:07 PM
Thanks my friends.  I've probably averaged less than 3 hours of sleep the past 4 nights... it sucks.  But I'm not as run down this week as I usually am when this is happening, so that's good news.

I don't know if I mentioned it or not, but the doctors took me off the Xanax and the Zoloft.  Just the Lunesta now, because of some bad side effects of the other medicine, and they don't think I have any issues with anxiety/depression, but who knows.  Reminds me though that I have to get a new prescription filled today on the Lunesata...

And the Rykrof series might have a new chapter by Monday, but no promises.   I didn't know that you ever read them Slothus, if you ever have any suggestions on them, I'd love to hear your input.  ;)

 :P
Title: Re: Insomnia = Hell
Post by: Darth Slothus on October 27, 2005, 08:56 PM
hey I'm no expert on those, that's you man. I just enjoy them-keep alert so I can be star-war-ed further!
Title: Re: Insomnia = Hell
Post by: CHEWIE on October 29, 2005, 08:23 PM
Well I've been working on it since about 8am this morning.  About 5 more hours of work and I think it will be done... maybe tonight, but probably tomorrow sometime.

 :P