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Season 2 of The Mandalorian debuts on Disney+ on October 30th!
https://www.starwars.com/news/the-mandalorian-season-two-october-30
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The Mandalorian | Season 2 Official Trailer | Disney+ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eW7Twd85m2g)
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Awesome! I love the Mandalorian / Baby Yoda buddy aspect. I can't wait.
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Looks awesome!
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The biker scout foot slide
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The second trailer has dropped. It looks like they’re keeping things close to the vest for now.
https://youtu.be/7fUNPLWkykI
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I'm ok with that. Two weeks to go!
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I've been looking closer at the trailers and tv spots as we get closer to the show release next Friday. There are some nice Easter Eggs in there:
-Quarren and Mon Calamari dock workers. Given that the two species are working alongside one another, I guess we're going to Mon Cala
-Who is in the cloak? Rumor has it that it's **POSSIBLE SPOILER** Sabine, and her presence might lead to the Rebels crew, Ahsoka, Bo Katan and a Darksaber related plot line **POSSIBLE SPOILER**
-The fight scene is evidently a Teras Kasi match (see the video game - Star Wars - Masters of Teras Kasi and a mention of Teras Kasi in SOLO)
-Greef Karga manning a gun turret (possibly inside an Imperial Troop Transport?)
-Is the snowy planet with the canyon **POSSIBLE SPOILER** the planet Ilum? The First Order went on to use it as a base, eventually turning it into Starkiller base. And Moff Gideon may be part of the storyline leading to the creation of the First Order **POSSIBLE SPOILER**
I'm still curious about the wreckage that Din Djarin and the Child are standing in front of on that snowy planet.
Aside from that? A new trailer drops tomorrow night during Monday Night Football on ESPN.
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New look. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ICuqzhViWAI)
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The ITT appeared to have side guns where the troop pods would be... or was I seeing ****? That was sweet modular coolness and very reminiscent of tank design in the First World War ala Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade.🤔
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The ITT in the trailer is absolutely a different configuration from the one we saw in season 1. It looks like there are those weapon nacelles on the sides. And the shot of Greef Karga manning some kind of turret makes it look like there might be a more substantial weapon on top of the vehicle, too.
So how long do you think it's going to be until we see someone customize the ITT into this season 2 version?
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I expect Hasbro to release this new ITT!
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Season 2 episode 1 dropped today and it's awesome!
Look forward to others to comment to discuss.
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Finished watching S2E1 before lunch! Great episode, great cast, great Easter eggs. I think my favorite part was Timothy Olyphant using Anakin's old podracer engine as a speeder bike.
My only complaint is that Cobb Vanth didn't look Star Warsy enough, almost like the costume department just had Olyphant wear whatever street clothes he wore to the set that day
Spoiler for the ending:
That was clearly Boba Fett at the end, right? My brain saw the gaffi stick and assumed it was A'Sharad Hett
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Spoiler for the ending:
That was clearly Boba Fett at the end, right? My brain saw the gaffi stick and assumed it was A'Sharad Hett
Yes. You are correct.
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Spoiler for the ending:
That was clearly Boba Fett at the end, right? My brain saw the gaffi stick and assumed it was A'Sharad Hett
Yes. You are correct.
+1. Because if we go by what we learned in Attack Of The Clones, Boba Fett was an unaltered clone of Jango Fett.
He had no growth acceleration, etc. Jango was played by Temuera Morrison, so it's natural for him to also play Boba Fett here.... even if we're 18 years past the release of AOTC, and the official timeline has Boba Fett at an age of 41 or 42. Someone looks a little weathered for that age!
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Finished watching S2E1 before lunch! Great episode, great cast, great Easter eggs. I think my favorite part was Timothy Olyphant using Anakin's old podracer engine as a speeder bike.
My only complaint is that Cobb Vanth didn't look Star Warsy enough, almost like the costume department just had Olyphant wear whatever street clothes he wore to the set that day
I liked that particular easter egg, too!
I appreciated seeing the Cobb Vanth story play out on screen. The story about the armor had first surfaced in the current canon in the Aftermath series of books. Seeing those seeds that Chuck Wendig had planted come to fruition was cool.
I think Timothy Olyphant was a good choice for the role. This wasn't quite like his role as Bullock on Deadwood, but that seems like it might have been good preparation for his take on this part.
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So what is our timeline for talking about the episode and spoilers, without having to use 1 point font? 24 hours? Or should we have separate threads - spoiler and non-spoiler flavors?
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I personally think during the season we all should know stay out of this thread if you aren't up to date on episodes. That being said I suppose someone could want to post something informational etc so then I'd vote on separate spoiler non spoiler threads
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I figure 24 hours is good. We're all in different time zones and have different schedules.
Also, yeah.....good idea to avoid the thread until you watch the episode, but we should also not post plot leaks at all in here.
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Spoilers be warned...
I though it was a fun episode. I loved the beginning Gamorrean vibro axe cage match, Mando's interactions there, and the Easter eggs throughout the episode.
The one part that I wasn't as big a fan of was The Mandalorian's agreement to get back Boba's armor. The Mandalorian is generally an honest, but ruthless dude. I'm not sure why he would have bothered to help kill the Krayt Dragon as part of the deal instead of just taking it.
I'm not sure if he needs a Krayt Dragon sigil to go with his Mudhorn one now ;)
Ultimately it was a fun episode and I can't wait for more!
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Also, yeah.....good idea to avoid the thread until you watch the episode, but we should also not post plot leaks at all in here.
Agree - 24 hours is fine to talk current/past episode spoilers but future plot spoilers should be posted in a clearly marked spoiler thread
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Super entertaining overall, although the Krayt dragon looks a lot different from the one Boba Fett is riding on my poster. :D
Any big things under the sand are always going to feel like a bit of a Dune ripoff, but that did not bother me at all. I was more bugged about the sort of silly Sandpeople language for some reason.
Timothy Olyphant is always great in everything, and this was no exception. Sure we will be seeing him again.
One thing I thought was really cool was how they threw out a few breadcrumbs that could potentially piece Boba’s whole backstory together. The thing lived in an abandoned Sarlacc pit. Someone or something apparently ate the Sarlacc. Maybe the explosion of the Khetanna attracted curious Sand People. Maybe it even killed or incapacitated the Sarlacc. You can kind of fill in your own blanks from there. What’s not clear is how he got separated from his armor. Should make for a helluva flashback episode!
John Leguizamo unrecognizable in a role again...he is uncanny.
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Where to begin? Because there was a lot packed into this episode. A notable thing about it was the running time. I think this may have been the longest episode of the series so far. And I hope that maybe that trend will continue.
The first scene with the fighting arena was cool. And I thought we weren't going to see that sequence until further into the series. The battling Gamorreans were cool to see because the scene seems like it might have been inspired in part by the Playstation game Star Wars - Masters Of Teras Kasi. Thok anyone? Seeing another Abyssin was cool, too. Gor Koresh was perfect as part of the whole underworld of scum and villainy, combover and all! And I was shocked to learn that he was played by John Leguizamo! I don't think he's had that elaborate of a costume since he was in the Spawn movie.
Returning to Tatooine was good. The place is at the heart of the saga, even if it's always been seen as some Outer Rim backwater. I was also glad to see the return of Peli Motto! I didn't know what to make of the character at first. But I was rewatching the first season with my daughter this past week and I know she got a kick out of "The Gunslinger" and the subplot with the Razor Crest being repaired. Seeing Peli Motto fawning over the Child again was funny, and it was also good to see Mando building a network of good people that he trusts - including letting the Pit Droids work on his ship.
I knew some of the Cobb Vanth backstory from the Aftermath series of books. Seeing some of that explained was good. Cobb Vanth's choice of speeder? Holy Easter Egg! Mando's relations with the Sand People was definitely set up in "The Gunslinger". Another nice Easter Egg was seeing that Mando ran into the same Sand People who graciously accepted the gift of Toro Callican's binoculars. And when the Sand People were riding their banthas? All in single file! Attention to that kind of detail really spoke to me.
I've got to say, the Krayt dragon was really menacing! I also got the "Dune" vibe when it went through Mos Pelgo. And at first I thought it was going to be some kind of sand worm. But when it was explained that it was a Krayt dragon? I started to buy in. Was it just so big that it would sink into the sand? There were also some nice nods to KOTOR in there: you have to kill the Krayt with explosives by luring it out of a cave. And the pearl was one of the quest items in KOTOR. But that venom? And how it totally liquified the Sand People that it got on?!?!?! Ugghhhh, that was nasty!
What is there to say about the final shot in the episode? Based on the armor that Cobb Vanth had you know that somehow it got out of the Sarlacc pit. And after seeing Mando get swallowed by a Krayt dragon and survive? The armor can take a beating! I'm pretty sure that I heard the sound effects of those spurs as he turned towards camera. So was it him or Cobb Vanth that found Fennec Shand's body at the end of "The Gunslinger"?
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Anyone else remember the backstory of the Tuskens and banthas having a mental/emotional connection? I guess that's thrown out the window seeing as the Sandpeople had no issue sacrificing their ride. Anyway, they staking the bantha made me think about the goat in Jurassic Park, only they needed a bigger goat. Not sure why I associated the two moments but it made me chuckle.
The bantha is either the most chill or dumbest animal ever. The krayt is creating tremors and the bantha didn't budge at the mining town, too preoccupied with the food/water trough. And at the cave opening it was only saved because the dragon went after the fleeing Tusken. (Maybe it was sedated in the second instance.)
Old skool Cylon commander! Graffiti from 3:18 to 3:23.
Gor Koresh. Hello, Hasbro?
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I was spent after the episode... fantastic. Like Randy Marsh in the overlogging episode of South Park at the camp... just wow.
The planets I wish they’d give a name when they’re arriving is all. Loved the initial planet and it’s war torn look.
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I was spent after the episode... fantastic. Like Randy Marsh in the overlogging episode of South Park at the camp... just wow.
The planets I wish they’d give a name when they’re arriving is all. Loved the initial planet and it’s war torn look.
I'm a little grossed out now.
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Mission accomplished. 👍
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Thoughts on the latest episode?
I thought it was fun, just like the first, but they're really not advancing the story or developing the characters at all. I was kinda hoping for some story arcs or something meatier. Maybe this series is just going to be pulpy fun.
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I liked the recurring bit about the Child eating the eggs. It added some much needed comic relief! We've also seen the vessel with the eggs in some of the trailer footage, and the condition of the Razor Crest at the end of the episode also lines up with some other trailer footage. But I think this also shows that Mando needs to start thinking more about how to essentially be a parent to the Child while he's taking care of him.
The series really does seem to like revisiting some of the McQuarrie concept art. The spiders were among his ideas for Dagobah in TESB. And of course we saw similar spiders turn up in Rebels.
Seeing a continuation of some of the events of "The Prisoner" from season 1 was good, and thankfully not overdone. The bit about the Razor Crest's transponder was just one part of that. The passenger using Zero like an interpreter was another cool tie-in. I like that the way the New Republic pilots interacted with Mando showed the ambiguity of the state of the galaxy - just because the Empire was defeated doesn't mean everything is all well and good now. Mando has had to navigate some of the changing dynamics of that. The NR pilots caused trouble for him, but then in the end they also helped rescue him. It was good to see that they recognized his part in apprehending Mayfeld, Burg and Xi'an, along with how he tried to keep them from killing Davin. Trapper Wolf making another appearance was fun - fan service, sure, but fun.
This definitely seemed like a transitional / plate setting episode. Things were looking up for Mando after chapter 9, but now he's facing more setbacks.
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I really liked it. This episode really felt to me that they were setting some things up for future episodes. Mando’s definitely going to have future run ins with the New Republic and getting the frog lady to her husband (before the child eats all the eggs) will be interesting.
Seeing the Kintrath spiders was a nice Easter egg. They’ve shown up in Rebels, KOTOR II and even in The Empire Strikes Back: Revisited.
So for the next several weeks, I’ll be living Friday to Friday! ;D
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I thought it was a fun episode. And agree I feel like they are setting up future parts of the story.
I also get wanting Cara and Grief and Gideon to show up.
Assuming the final storyline narrative is finding somewhere for the child, I don't want that story advancing too quickly. I don't need the next clue each week to where they're heading next.
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I want to go on record now that I don't believe the child ate the eggs for food. I think he's protecting some of them because something's going to happen to momma's backpack.
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I want to go on record now that I don't believe the child ate the eggs for food.
This is a HUGE debate for the six people in our house.
- 1/3 think Baby Yoda is a monster for eating the young of another sentient species
- 1/3 think Baby Yoda is somehow protecting those eggs somehow to save the day
- 1/3 think it's just a sight gag that isn't meant to be anything other than funny and the other 2/3 of the family need to just relax :)
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Thank you Jeff!
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Just look at the first time the Child looks in the tank and the reaction of the eggs. I just think there could be something else going on there.
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I'm not sure whether he was eating them or saving them. What I do know is people should calm down about it. It's a fictional show where some creature who is relatively young and saw something tasty so he ate it. If my three year old liked the taste of them and chose to eat them I wouldn't tell him what a horrible person he was for eating them. He didn't understand. Obviously the show creators could have not written the gag, but again let's just keep it in perspective people.
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Is the rest of the Internet losing their mind about the egg eating/protecting? I guess I've not ventured out too widely to see responses and just got a chuckle out of it.
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I didn't realize I was walking into a hornets' nest of controversy. I just was re-watching the episode and thought about it.
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I've read it's as bad as if it had been a human woman's eggs for in vitro fertilization.
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What the episode clearly indicates is that Dagobah was probably a thriving planet before Yoda decided to hide out there. He must have completely ruined the ecosystem, with being at the top of the food chain and able to eat anything he could get his hands on. It must have been a huge relief when Yoda died.
:P
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I've read it's as bad as if it had been a human woman's eggs for in vitro fertilization.
I think I saw that same article - someone was arguing about unfertilized eggs vs fertilized eggs. Another person compared it to eating unfertilized eggs like humans eat chicken eggs - whether that is "bad" or not depends on your opinions on veganism I guess. it made me lol that some people have enough time to go on and on about a show like that.
One of my kids (daughter) was so sad that baby Yoda was eating Frog Lady's "kids". One of my kids (son) was wondering if he was using the force (kinda like Matt said where the eggs looked like they were moving towards him maybe) and sometime later Baby Yoda's going to regurgitate the "saved" eggs. I just thought it was supposed to be funny like a little kid stealing cookies from the cookie jar.
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Couldn’t care less about the eggs thing, but I thought that episode was pretty boring and didn’t advance anything.
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Chalk me up in the I just thot it was funny block. I am frankly shocked adults flipped out over it being insensitive to people with fertility issues but hey, whatever.
I just lold about him being a little bastard the whole time. I have seen a couple speculations now that there is more to it tho too.
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Anyone in and/or past the toddler years can attest that BY's behavior was on brand for that age group.
I think this episode laid groundwork we are not aware of yet.
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New episode! Kind of blah, but I liked certain parts. Will go into further details when more people have seen it.
I LOVED the planet/city they were in though.
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I thought it was great. Well cast and a solid episode!
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I just watched the episode for a second time, and this one was pretty strong. And it was pretty remarkable seeing an actor take on a live action role that they had played before as a voice actor.
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I thought it was a solid episode.
Interesting to see the Bryce Dallas Howard directed this one. The episode she did in season 1 as probably the most emotional/touchy feely of the bunch. This one was almost all action.
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I thought it was a solid episode.
Interesting to see the Bryce Dallas Howard directed this one. The episode she did in season 1 as probably the most emotional/touchy feely of the bunch. This one was almost all action.
There was a lot of action in that season 1 episode. Sure, the locale was very pastoral compared to places like Tatooine, Nevarro and Arvala 7. But between the fight scenes with Cara Dune, the raiders and the AT-ST, it all made for some significant action.
There was a fair amount of exposition in this week's episode, along with a very revealing explanation.
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Man, this episode was so good I kept stopping and rewinding it to watch parts over again. I feel like I want to watch it like five more times right now.
I also counted at least 6 absolute must have Black Series figures from that episode. Super toyetic!
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I loved it. I admit I'm having some difficulty being totally subjective on the whole episode as I'm still caught up on how well I think they nailed Bo-Katan. I felt she was right out of the animated shows. I'm gonna lose it when "blank" shows up (just in case there's those out there that really avoid spoilers)
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It was great seeing Katee Sackoff in the role of Bo Katan. It took me a few minutes to recognize her. And I never realized it was Katee that did the voice work for Bo Katan in the Clone Wars animated series.
I loved the Mandalorian sect discussion too that made Din Djarin do a double take on the different ways you could live your life as a "true" Mandalorian.
I hope he finds a way to run in the Bo Katan and other Mandalorians from Mandalore more. I feel like they would really help him develop his character a bit, and I think it would be cool if he could finally take off his helmet and lighten up a bit.
The Mandalorian might have to spare some of his beskar to build an impenetrable pram for The Child.
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Great episode! I was hoping we'd see Titus Welliver in a future episode...but I guess not.
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I loved the last two episodes. Not sure why people feel the plot is not advancing - every episode has led them somewhere new and continues to build off the previous one. Conversely, it would be lame if the first place he looked instantly led to the covert he is seeking. I'm not reading/viewing anything in advance for these, so the Spider eggs caught me by surprise, as did the pirate attack on the boat. Excellent battle scenes from both, and an improvement over the battles in season 1 in my opinion. The child's expressions and behavior is awesome. Bo Katan! Hope we see more of her, and nice to get more background on what's going on for the rest of the Mandalorians. I'm a little concerned about how they're going to do she-who-will-not-be-named, but hope they jump right to it next episode, so we're not waiting any longer.
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Now that we're passed the spoiler period?
The Mon Cal wearing the Irish fishing sweater and the deck gear made me chuckle. And it was cool to see that crane walker, which was a blink and you'll miss is item from SOLO in some of the Corellia scenes. Based on the presence of both the Mon Calamari and the Quarren I though we were headed to Mon Cala, but I guess the two species co-exist on other marine planets, too. And then to come back to the Razor Crest looking like it was decorated like a Long John Silver's restaurant might have taken the nautical theme a little too far.
Bo Katan and the Nite Owls were even more formidable than I thought they would be. I know that some people had theorized Sasha Banks was going to play a member of the Rebels crew, but I'm actually glad that didn't happen. Katee Sackoff has done a fantastic job voicing Bo Katan in both the Clone Wars and Rebels, and it's great to see her bring the character on screen. And the fight scenes? These Mandos don't mess around. They annihilated those two groups of Quarren. And then watching them march down a hall on the Imperial freighter just picking off Stormtroopers with such precision was tremendous.
I was glad to see Bo Katan explain to Din Djarin that he was part of what amounted to a Mandalorian cult. I had so many questions after the first season about what had happened to the Mandalorians following the rise of the Empire. Why couldn't the Mandalorians remove their helmets? And what about the Night of a Thousand Tears? And Moff Gideon having the Dark Saber? This episode answered a little of that and made it clear that we're going to learn more in time. But it also left me with questions about where does Bo Katan go, what is in the future for the Mandalorians and where does Din Djarin intersect with that? I think those are good questions that will keep the story moving forward.
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So I was a little bored last week, but I finally watched the new one last night and it was everything I want from this show. Imperials, new planets that we've known for ages but have never visited, Mandos flying around ******* **** up...
A+
I just wish it was longer. I'm sure this show is expensive to produce, but I really wish we were more in the 45 minutes to an hour territory for episode length on ones this good.
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We've learned a lot in the past couple of weeks, even for "character episodes".
-Boba Fett is alive.
-Bo-Katan is alive and trying to unite the Mandalorians.
-Din Djarin is part of a Mandalorian fundamentalist group called The Watch. From what we can tell from the show, it is a group derived from Deathwatch....a group Bo-Katan was once a part of.
-Moff Gideon has a fleet.
I am enjoying the ride!
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Chapter 12. :o
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More and more, I'm seeing where someone's obsession with the Child is going in this post-Imperial era. And that final scene certainly does take you back to some Star Wars EU in the 90's.
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We're past the 24 hours so I think it's ok to discuss it now.
Holy ****! We have ******* Dark Troopers!!!!!!!! I'm going to replay Dark Forces now just for the fun of it!
Also glad to see that we won't need an update to the Razor Crest with super battle damaged version! :D
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As always there seems to be a lot to unpack with each episode.
You had to love Mando trying to walk the Child through repairing the Razor Crest! It was much appreciated comic relief. But it was also pretty remarkable that when they were eating in the cargo hold, Mando was comfortable enough to lift his helmet and revealing his chin to the Child. I think his conversation with Bo-Katan in the previous episode made it more clear to him that there's more to being Mandalorian than what the Armorer had taught him. Plus his bond with the Child is that much deeper that he felt comfortable showing some of his face. Between this change in Din Djarin's behavior and what seemed like foreshadowing about the Armorer (the abandoned covert, along with her forge), it seems like this situation might get more complicated.
Going back to Nevarro seemed like the right move. The Mon Cal on Trask barely got the Razor Crest flying, and the repairs were much needed. I was amazed at how quickly the ship got repaired in the overall context of the episode. "Marshal Dune" seemed to be kicking some Aqualish ass, along with saving the space ferret. And it's seeming to me like Aqualish don't like ANYBODY. But on the subject of Nevarro.... does it seem like the production is re-using a number of costumes and masks from previous movies in the Nevarro scenes? In this episode alone there's the Mimbanese mechanic, and there was at least one alien in the marketplace that was also in the Cloud Rider gang. I'm fairly certain there's another droid that was also recycled from SOLO that has popped up there, too.
The Imperial base proved to be a more significant site than I think anyone realized. One of the "volunteers" in the lab bore a striking resemblance to a certain sequel trilogy character. And a plot point about the Child seems to be becoming increasingly clear. Dr. Pershing made a reference to the Child's "M count" for all of you Episode 1 fans! And the experimentation by the Imperials is making them look even more like the Germans in WW2, which was one of George Lucas's conscious decisions about the Empire in the OT.
All in all I think there's plenty in this episode that could inspire future toy releases. Another appearance for the Frontier TIE Fighters was very welcome. The beefed up Imperial troop transport with the gun turret was thoroughly awesome. I could go for a couple of the Aqualish crooks.
Heck, I'd even like a figure of the school teacher protocol droid!
As for the big reveal at the end? WHOA. I was so not expecting them to go there. I'm interested to see how they realize the Dark Troopers, if that is indeed what Moff Gideon was inspecting.
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In this episode alone there's the Mimbanese mechanic,
I was actually surprised by the Mimbanese's allegiance after the homeworld had been occupied. Perhaps he had some Imperial doctrination/reeducation in his youth? Or money.
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It's been kind of established in the Show that the Outer Rim territories look at the New Republic with a lot of skepticism. The mechanic is promised favors in the restored Empire when they return to power. The New Republic at large isn't really believing any of the reports of Moff Gideon building power out in the outer rim...hell, most think he's dead!
Looking at it from that point of view can help see why he was motivated to help the Imperial remnant.
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The situation in the Outer Rim harkens back to something we heard in Episode 1. When Padme heard about slavery on Tatooine and mentioned the Republic's anti-slavery laws, Shmi Skywalker set her straight by saying "The Republic doesn't exist out here". 40 years later it seems like that's still the case in the Outer Rim.
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True. I suppose we can look at it as third-world planets. Not much usefulness to the Core Planets.
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I look at it more like the wild West. The Mandalorian is such a Man-with-no-name vibe to it already!
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You had to love Mando trying to walk the Child through repairing the Razor Crest! It was much appreciated comic relief. But it was also pretty remarkable that when they were eating in the cargo hold, Mando was comfortable enough to lift his helmet and revealing his chin to the Child. I think his conversation with Bo-Katan in the previous episode made it more clear to him that there's more to being Mandalorian than what the Armorer had taught him. Plus his bond with the Child is that much deeper that he felt comfortable showing some of his face. Between this change in Din Djarin's behavior and what seemed like foreshadowing about the Armorer (the abandoned covert, along with her forge), it seems like this situation might get more complicated.
I always love the different interpretations of what we get with Star Wars. I didn't see this as a change at all. He has to remove the helmet at times to eat, or at least adjust it. Similar to Spiderman lifting his mask over his mouth to kiss Mary Jane. Not at all the same as taking the whole thing off. If he really was reconsidering that rule or comfortable with the Child seeing his face, I think he would have removed the helmet all together. Didn't he take it off for a scene when he was along in the farming community in Season 1? The fact that he only lifted it a little tells me he's not at all comfortable showing his face, despite just being in the company of the child. He's probably rolling what BK said around in his head, but I don't think he's made any changes as of yet.
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To me, tilting the helmet up seemed like Din Djarin was sticking his toe in the water. He had that very heated exchange with Paz Viszla and the Armorer after he got the Beskar from the Client, where the Armorer asked him if he had ever shown his face to another living being. And then there were multiple scenes where he got food for the Child but never ate in his presence. The only time we even got the hint of him removing his helmet was when he was finally alone on Sorgun, the young widow had left him with some food and the Child was off playing with the children. It made me think that the price of him keeping the helmet on at all times led to him being deprived and hungry.
He threatened to destroy IG-11 (again) over the prospect of removing the helmet when the droid was trying to treat his wounds in chapter 8. On Tatooine he reacted very strongly when Cobb Vanth took off his helmet. And he initially fled from Bo-Katan when she took off her helmet. I think her revelation about him being a Child of the Watch, her struggle to reunite the Mandalorians and take back their homeworld, and what it truly means to be Mandalorian has stirred something up in him. It seems like this subplot might be going somewhere later in the series.
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To me, tilting the helmet up seemed like Din Djarin was sticking his toe in the water. He had that very heated exchange with Paz Viszla and the Armorer after he got the Beskar from the Client, where the Armorer asked him if he had ever shown his face to another living being. And then there were multiple scenes where he got food for the Child but never ate in his presence. The only time we even got the hint of him removing his helmet was when he was finally alone on Sorgun, the young widow had left him with some food and the Child was off playing with the children. It made me think that the price of him keeping the helmet on at all times led to him being deprived and hungry.
He threatened to destroy IG-11 (again) over the prospect of removing the helmet when the droid was trying to treat his wounds in chapter 8. On Tatooine he reacted very strongly when Cobb Vanth took off his helmet. And he initially fled from Bo-Katan when she took off her helmet. I think her revelation about him being a Child of the Watch, her struggle to reunite the Mandalorians and take back their homeworld, and what it truly means to be Mandalorian has stirred something up in him. It seems like this subplot might be going somewhere later in the series.
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Very well said and exactly what I was thinking. I really hope he interacts with Bo Katan and "real" Mandalorians more to help him expand his character's horizons.
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I didn’t notice it at first but the town erected a statue to IG11 lol. It’s tough to spot but that’s a fun detail.
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To me, tilting the helmet up seemed like Din Djarin was sticking his toe in the water.
Sam feeling I got. And for emphasis, Baby Yoda stared at him to suggest this was out of the ordinary in their time together.
You figure he was jarred by Bo Katan's explanation and had to be kicking himself for missing out on space mom. And that's not meant to be a crude, sexual innuendo.
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Just watched "The Jedi" this afternoon and thought it was just okay compared to the previous four episodes from Season 2. I don't want to give out any spoilers, but the whole episode just felt a little flat to me. Cool plot advances and characters, but some of the fighting scenes were flat and the dialogue felt really bland to me. Every sequence was super easy to predict as well - I felt like I could have been narrating the whole thing without even having seen it before. Excellent visuals as always - just wish this one had a little something more to it. I felt like previous episodes had a little more life to them.
We watched the SW Lego Life Day afterwards and I started to fall asleep. Twice. At least it made the Mandalorian episode seem 10x better!
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I thought this was the best episode so far. Not only because of who, but because of who they’re teasing is coming into the series eventually.
The cartoon watching, book reading nerd in me was extremely into this.
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I thought this was the best episode so far. Not only because of who, but if who they’re teasing is coming into the series eventually.
The cartoon watching, book reading nerd in me was extremely into this.
I think Rob nailed it. So many years of books and cartoons and then the realization of and the possibility of even more characters to come....... It's hard to say more without spoilers but man I'm excited.
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I’m writing a letter to Jon Favreau and Dave Filoni to tone it down a bit.....my penis can only get so erect.
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I’m writing a letter to Jon Favreau and Dave Filoni to tone it down a bit.....my penis can only get so erect.
It was a two boxers episode for sure.
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I've watched this episode 3 times already. And visually it was a really strong showing for Dave Filoni as the director of this episode. The easter eggs were good, but didn't beat you over the head. And the stylistic nods to Kurosawa and Samurai films was very on point, especially considering how that genre was a big inspiration for George Lucas as he was crafting the OT and the concept of the Jedi.
...more to come when we get reasonably past the spoiler window.
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Time to discuss.
Spoilers be warned ******
I generally enjoyed the episode.
Some things I liked:
- Seeing Ahsoka (or any kick ass Jedi) in action was fun. That is what Star Wars is all about.
- The dynamic between The Mandalorian and The Child is great. Even when we learned his name was Grogu, The Mandalorian was still calling him "kid".
- Grand Admiral Thrawn. He is awesome and I can't wait for him to get in the mix. Now I want to know if he has made it back to the Outer Rim, if Ezra and the rest of the surviving Rebels crew is still kicking around somewhere looking for him. I'd love to see those guys in an episode somewhere. I'm also interested to see if Moff Gideon and Grand Admiral Thrawn are working together or not.
Some things that are more nit-picks than anything:
- I don't see how Ahsoka couldn't have taken down that whole town by herself. And I don't know why she gave them a day to think about divulging the information she wanted. I don't think The Mandalorian was really needed either, but I guess they were all just plot devices, so I guess its fine.
- I'm not sure why Ahsoka would just dismiss the training of Grogu. I know she rationalized that it was better to let his powers fade away, but that seemed a little to quick to dismiss it. Maybe a little more introspection and discussion on the need for a real Master or Knight to train a Padawan, and she never technically became a Knight. I also think some of this gets problematic as Luke should be well known to Ahsoka and might have his new Jedi Temple up and running.
I also find it interesting that this show is using recognizable actors in smaller roles (Michael Biehn, Rosario Dawson, Timothy Olyphant, etc.). I wonder if the actors are asking to be in these roles just because its Star Wars and they are fans, if they're friends of Jon Favreau and he is asking, or what the story is.
This season is going way too fast. I love it all and wish they could build in more episodes per season. I also can't wait for the Kenobi, Cassian, and any other live action series they have. If they're 75% as good as this I'll be overjoyed with Star Wars coolness.
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- I'm not sure why Ahsoka would just dismiss the training of Grogu. I know she rationalized that it was better to let his powers fade away, but that seemed a little to quick to dismiss it. Maybe a little more introspection and discussion on the need for a real Master or Knight to train a Padawan, and she never technically became a Knight. I also think some of this gets problematic as Luke should be well known to Ahsoka and might have his new Jedi Temple up and running.
I kind of chalked that up to her relationship with Anakin and knowing as well as anyone left alive at this point exactly what training the fearful leads to.
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This has to have been one of the most anticipated episodes of the series. And because of that I think that there were significant audience expectations for both Dave Filoni as the director and on Rosario Dawson for taking on the live action portrayal of such a beloved character. I think she did a nice job in presenting a more mature Ahsoka who has lived a tough life.
I think the opening scene with Ahsoka was great. I don't know how many of the Magistrate's men she dispatched, but the way she was able to conceal herself in the smoke/mist was great. That totally drew on the Samurai films that were the basis of George Lucas's vision for the Jedi. Especially since Ahsoka would only briefly ignite her lightsabers for brief moments and then deactivate them to disappear. Again - Samurai influences at work, since one major note about the Samurai was that they would only draw their katana if they were going to use it.
The revelation of Grogu's name was a big deal, as was the revelation of his story. We've only learned a little bit about him over the course of the series, but these past two episodes have really shed light on who Grogu is, how he remained hidden, why the Imperial Remnant wants him, and whether or not his path aligns with the Jedi or with Din Djarin.
I got the sense that Ahsoka wouldn't take the town by herself because she was alone. And she didn't want to let the Magistrate kill the hostages. So she drew off Lang and most of the Magistrate's troops so that the Mandalorian could free the captives.
I can also appreciate how Ahsoka would be apprehensive about training Grogu. She knows firsthand what happened to Anakin and why, especially after having fought Vader in Rebels. I can't imagine her feelings about attachment and the danger it poses coming from a more personal place. But the fact that she pointed Din Djarin towards the Jedi temple on Tython suggests that the situation for Grogu isn't completely decided. As for who might answer his call through the Force? That's a huge question. And it gets increasingly complicated in light of who Ahsoka is looking for - Thrawn, who was last seen with Ezra Bridger at the end of Rebels.
Last, but certainly not least, is Din Djarin's side quest that hasn't been completely spelled out: retrieving Beskar. He got the armor from Cobb Vanth on Tatooine. And now he has the Beskar spear. At the end of the first season the Armorer was collecting the Beskar that had been left and was melting it down. I imagine that Din Djarin is going to cross paths with her again soon.
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Good interview with Rosario Dawson and Dave Filoni (https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2020/11/rosario-dawson-dave-filoni-mandalorian-ahsoka-tano-grogu?utm_brand=vf&utm_source=twitter&mbid=social_twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_social-type=owned) at VF. Obviously spoilers if you've been living under a rock and have not seen Episode 13 yet. :P
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It was pretty amazing to me how well they pulled it off tbh. Meaning Ahsoka. I thought it was a nearly flawless portrayal, and I was skeptical about the whole thing coming into it.
I can’t help but wonder if it’s not really Thrawn she’s looking for, but Ezra.
Michael Biehn is always awesome in everything, like the late Bill Paxton.
How did Grogu escape the slaughter at the Jedi Temple? That would be a nice flashback episode I think.
I was a little surpised/disappointed to see that Beskar is yet another metal resistant to lightsabers. I always thought the whole idea of cortosis or whatever was silly. Those things should be able to cut through anything, period. I mean, why wouldn’t Vader have been wearing all Beskar armor throughout the OT if that was the case?
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I can not overstate how much I am loving this show. Rosario Dawson did a great job as Ahsoka, even though I would've liked to see how Ashley Eckstein could have done since she has voiced the role from the beginning.
Getting some more backstory on the child, Grogu, is cool. So he was born around the same time as Anakin Skywalker, and was raised in the Jedi temple at Coruscant until someone spirited him away when order 66 happened. Who was the one who got him out of there? What happened during the years when his memories were "dark"? So much to discover!
Where is Grand Admiral Thrawn? Is he still in the unknown regions with Ezra? Is he back? Is he the one in charge of the Imperial Remnant and not Moff Gideon? I do not believe that to be the case, but my interest is piqued!
Favreau and Filoni have really expanded the universe in the 13 chapters we've seen so far! Bring on spin-off shows for Boba Fett, Bo-Katan and Ahsoka!
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I took it that she needed help to make sure the prisoners wouldn't die. The extra 24 hours weren't going to change the magistrate's mind, but would give her time to plan out an attack that could save those being held captive. She didn't really need DD's help in the final battle other than being there to free the prisoners when she went after the boss lady.
While it was great to see Ahsoka and the likely forthcoming appearance of Thrawn, I'm not in love with all this happening in the background of the OT. Why would Luke/Leia be the last hope to stop Darth if Ahsoka and others were still around? Ahsoka would have as much reason to confront Darth as Luke, being about as close to Anakin as you can get without being family. Was she hiding her presence from Obi & Yoda? Did they know about Groku and others?
I can sort of rationalize that she doesn't want to get involved with any of it and is laying low, but seems odd for her character to not have joined up with the Rebels at some point. I wish instead of falling back on the "Can't train him. He's too old/has too much attachment" argument, she had instead said something along the lines of "I quit the order. I'm not a Jedi. I can't train someone to be something I don't believe in."
As for Groku surviving, we don't necessarily hear Palpatine's full orders to Anakin in ROTS. I'm sure he or some scientists were able to grab some of the younger jedi to lock up or experiment on. Even when Anakin finds that room of younglings, we just assume he kills them all, but maybe he has orders to snatch a few.
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While it was great to see Ahsoka and the likely forthcoming appearance of Thrawn, I'm not in love with all this happening in the background of the OT. Why would Luke/Leia be the last hope to stop Darth if Ahsoka and others were still around? Ahsoka would have as much reason to confront Darth as Luke, being about as close to Anakin as you can get without being family. Was she hiding her presence from Obi & Yoda? Did they know about Groku and others?
The Rebels cartoon summed this up nicely. When Ezra saved her in the world between worlds, she went back to the point in time on Malachor when Ezra pulled her out. She was trapped there for a long time and when she was able to get out, met up with Sabine and started the search for Ezra.
I can sort of rationalize that she doesn't want to get involved with any of it and is laying low, but seems odd for her character to not have joined up with the Rebels at some point. I wish instead of falling back on the "Can't train him. He's too old/has too much attachment" argument, she had instead said something along the lines of "I quit the order. I'm not a Jedi. I can't train someone to be something I don't believe in."
Judging by what she saw with Anakin, I could totally see her point about not wanting to train a youngling with a strong attachment to someone. She also sensed all the fear within Grogu from having to hide his abilities during the time of the Empire.
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There’s already been some groundwork laid down regarding Grogu’s attachment to Din Djarin. In chapter 7 we saw Grogu start to Force choke Cara Dune when she was arm wrestling with Mando. Grogu must have thought Din was in trouble and instinctively tried to protect him. Now imagine what he could do with real Jedi training.
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This is going to be a very long week.
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This is going to be a very long week.
OMG, yes!
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I’m writing a letter to Jon Favreau and Dave Filoni to tone it down a bit.....my penis can only get so erect.
This sums up the show perfectly.
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Oh. Wow!
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Yowza. For so many reasons.
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Yowza. For so many reasons.
I'll add a yikes to that. And crap as well.
Before today I thought there might be a reason for Hera and the Ghost to show up. Now there is even more reason.
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That was a stunning way for Robert Rodriguez to join the directing ranks of The Mandalorian. In fact, I think he might have been perfect for this particular episode.
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Are we past the 24-hour mark? I think we need to petition Hasbro to reopen the Razorcrest Kickstarter and include a new accessory consisting of a display base of a smoking crater in the ground ;)
Awesome episode though for many, many reasons!
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I hope they work the beskar spear in to the accessories that come with the ship.
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Incredible episode! Loved seeing the Darktroopers in action! I know it is highly unlikely, but I kind of hope that the Jedi that Grogu connected with is Kyle Katarn! :D
YouTube was loaded with Haslab haters poking fun about the Razor Crest. I generally choose not to engage with them. Just remixer that the Razor Crest isn’t necessarily the name of the ship, but the name of the class of ship....so it’s entirely possible he gets another one.
Amazing to see Boba Fett and Finnic Shan in action! Hasbro needs to make that Boba Fett figure! I like how he promised to keep the child safe in exchange for the return of his armor, and he’s honoring that. Also like that they’ve finally put to be whether or not he and Jango are Mandalorians. Jango was a foundling, and Boba is a Mandalorian because of that.
Odd that Din Djarin is seeking out Mayfeld. Not a complaint, but I don’t know how much insight he has into Moff Gideon’s operation. I’m hoping to see Bo-Karan and crew back for the upcoming battle, the cruiser they liberated could be helpful to get close to Gideon’s fleet. Plus she’s looking to reclaim the Darksaber.
It’s going to be a long week!
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Spoilers ****
Overall it was an amazing episode, although it clocked in at a very brief 30 minutes.
If Boba Fett is such a badass with a Gaffi Stick and Tusken sniper rifle, why didn't he reclaim his armor earlier on Tatooine? Same goes for him having Slave 1 still hanging around somewhere. He could have rolled in to town with that gunship and done whatever he wanted.
I wonder how many people want to cancel their Razor Crest order now... Granted Jabba's sailbarge blew up shortly after it was introduced as well...
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I wonder how many people want to cancel their Razor Crest order now... Granted Jabba's sailbarge blew up shortly after it was introduced as well...
Yeah, if you spent $500 on a ship that was in ROTJ for 20 minutes (or less), I don't think you can complain about the $350 Razor Crest when it lasted 14 episodes of pretty regular use in the show.
I am super sad to see Razor Crest go and am firmly in the camp that will be disappointed if Mando ends up with Slave I somehow. Too many people already complain that this show is just "adventures of fake Boba Fett" and giving Fett's signature ship to "fake Boba" won't help.
Here's hoping that Razor Crest 2.0 will be just as awesome. :)
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A Firefly class ship would be awesome!
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I suppose the best place to begin with my reactions to the episode is in the beginning. Because when I saw the title page say "The Tragedy" I immediately knew that there was not going to be a happy ending to chapter 14. When I saw the setting that was supposed to be Tython, I immediately thought that this must be the episode Robert Rodriguez was directing. Because all of those exterior shots looked like they might have been done in the Texas hill country. And if you know anything about Rodriguez, it's that he loves to work in Texas.
I liked the design for the seeing stone atop the Jedi temple ruins. That kind of a henge is reminiscent of stone circles in the British isles. I just wasn't expecting the Force to create an energy barrier around Grogu while he was reaching out. The barrier, and Grogu's exhaustion clearly set up what was going to happen shortly thereafter.
So just who was Grogu reaching out to? That's got to be one of the biggest questions coming out of this episode. It seems likely based on what happened in chapter 13 that it will not be Ahsoka. Two other possibilities come to mind. One would be Ezra Bridger. Ezra was last seen with Thrawn, who we now know Ahsoka has been tracking down. Does she believe that finding Thrawn could lead her to Ezra? There's a rumor circulating about an actor who may have been cast as Ezra. Another possibility is Luke Skywalker. During the week someone posted what looked like an illustration of Sebastian Stan as Luke, post ROTJ. Other possibilities include de-aging effects, which we've seen used in other franchises. But Mark Hamill has stated that he's done playing Luke (despite coming back here and there for various uncredited voice roles). Could there be more Jedi out there? It's a possibility, especially since Grogu was another survivor of Order 66. I was also somewhat reassured when i saw him using the Force in his cell. He can take care of himself, to an extent.
And then there's Boba Fett! After 40 years of this character being regarded as one of the most feared bounty hunters in the galaxy, we finally get a payoff. His standoff with Din Djarin was fantastic. And partnering up with Fennec Shand? I guess I should have expected that Ming Na Wen would return, because she seemed more significant than a one and done sort of casting choice. But back to Boba... wow. Tem Morrison delivered a great performance! Intimidating as can be, and his action scenes were great. He just picked apart so many of those Stormtroopers with the Gaffi stick. And his scenes provided more character development for Boba Fett in 15 minutes than the character has had in 4 decades, barring one or two Clone Wars episodes.
The ships in the episode were pivotal. Seeing Slave I fly in as Grogu sat atop the seeing stone told you that something big was going to happen. And the Imperial troop dropship was a nice new addition. It looked like a cross between Darth Maul's Sith Infiltrator and the First Order landing craft. The Imperial light cruiser came into play, of course. And then there's the Razor Crest.... I'm still looking forward to getting mine. But it's going to be a little awkward!
It looks like Mando is going to have quite the crew to bust out Grogu. And it seems like Mayfeld may be the key to tracking down Moff Gideon's Imperial remnant.
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If Boba Fett is such a badass with a Gaffi Stick and Tusken sniper rifle, why didn't he reclaim his armor earlier on Tatooine? Same goes for him having Slave 1 still hanging around somewhere. He could have rolled in to town with that gunship and done whatever he wanted.
I wonder if he didn’t know Cobb Vanth had the armor until Din Djarin retrieved it. Mos Pelgo wasn’t even on any maps, it could’ve been overlooked. I’m hoping we’ll get some backstory to this....either through this show or the upcoming Boba Fett series currently in production.
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Yes total agree with all the awesomeness of Boba Fett, Dark Troopers etc. great stuff. But for real, I could not get past Fennec Shand.
How exactly was she alive again? You can just turn dead people into robots now?!? I mean, I don’t even know what that all was supposed to mean. Was she always a cyborg and he just fixed her? How in the heck could he possibly have had any kind of technology to perform complex surgery like that in the middle of the desert? That to me was just such a wtf moment. I love Ming na Wen so I’m not complaining about her at all, I just felt it was a little contrived.
Also wondered how Boba was managing to track Mando so easily. Just awesome skillz I guess!
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Also wondered how Boba was managing to track Mando so easily. Just awesome skillz I guess!
I thought about that, then No-Prized it away quickly with the logic that the Slave I could probably track the armor itself. Better off to get your ship blown up when it is being tracked by everybody. (The other No-Prize I had to puzzle out was why Boba waited until his armor left Tatooine to go after it. My solution: the link between the armor and Slave I again. As long as the armor was local (ie on the planet,) it was the only "key" to powering up the Slave I. Once it was off-planet, Boba could use backup unlocks.
As for Fennec Shand, she was "left for dead" as opposed to "dead." Maybe Fett took her to be put back together by his old buddies the Jawas of Doom?
This is the first episode of the season I watched twice, but there was so much forward movement in the story here, so much character growth, and so much well-done action it was really compelling. And I feel hypocritical about loving this one so much, because a big part of the fun for me with the series is the serial aspect of the adventures.
I loved all of it. My one quibble would be the literal Force-field, and the Filonized "Jedi Temple." It made me remember there were reasons "Rebels" lost me at the end of Season Two.
That said, I would be thrilled if the next episode is from Grogu's POV and shows us what happened during his Jedi Communion. I get a feeling that whatever crew Mando winds up pulling together they are going to get out-classed in battle with Gideon, until whoever Grogu reached out to shows up to turn the tide. Should be a fun finish to the season.
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Awesome episode all around. This show is killing up it, and I love just about every minute of it.
Small nitpick... I’m a little hung up on the idea that Boba Fett couldn’t just get his armor back from Cobb Vanth.
Also, agreeing with Jeff. It would be too easy and too much for me if Mando just ends up with Slave I. I’m hoping eventually Boba Fett and him part ways and Slave I just stays Fett’s.
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Also, agreeing with Jeff. It would be too easy and too much for me if Mando just ends up with Slave I. I’m hoping eventually Boba Fett and him part ways and Slave I just stays Fett’s.
I feel the same way. Having Din Djarin taking Slave I for his own just doesn't sit well. And I see the potential for a series to follow Boba Fett off on some other adventures down the line. But could Boba Fett come into contact with more Mandalorians down the line? He doesn't seem inclined to follow the Mandalorian Creed, but maybe that could change...
It seems clear that Din Djarin is headed towards a direct conflict with Moff Gideon. Between Gideon's part in the Great Purge and his abduction of Grogu, Mando has plenty of reason to go after him. I don't think it was a coincidence that Din Djarin wound up with the Beskar spear, or that we learned that it can deflect a lightsaber. Will he face off against Gideon using the Beskar spear? And could he potentially walk away with the Darksaber?
I also keep coming back to Din Djarin continuing to make contact with other Mandalorians - the Armorer, the Tribe, Bo Katan and the Nite Owls, even Boba Fett. Is he destined for something greater? Could he be instrumental in bringing the Mandalorians together?
I definitely see the potential for someone REALLY owing something to Mando, and him getting a ship out of the deal!
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One thing that isn't clear to me is the rarity of beskar on other Mandalorians armor. Does Boba Fett, Bo-Katan, and others have beskar armor, or is it something different? Boba Fett and Bo-Katan seem to have their armor colored/painted, but I'm not sure if that means they don't have beskar.
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I don't think it's that. It looks like Din Djarin's original armor was pieced together at the beginning of the series. The one pauldron looked like it came from a Shoretrooper's armor. And it looked like it almost got destroyed after what he went though on Arvala 7. He got the payment from the Client of all of the beskar ingots and went right to the armorer who fashioned new armor for him. I think he just hasn't taken the time to paint it and left almost all of the plating looking metallic, like his helmet.
I think that Boba Fett and Bo-Katan have just had more time to personalize their own armor over the years. Boba said that his armor had been Jango's before it was his. And Bo-Katan said that her armor had been with her family for three generations. And during the firefight on Tython I'm pretty sure I saw some blaster fire deflect off of Boba Fett's armor. I don't think Beskar makes a Mandalorian invulnerable, because it looked like Djarin was in serious trouble on the Imperial cruiser when he ran down that corridor and tossed the explosives, all while taking intense blaster fire.
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It took 40 years, but Boba Fett is FINALLY not a chump.
This episode was excellent.
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i have all sorts of speculation how Fett got out of the sarlaac pit and wound up with Tusken robes and weapons, but i hope they fill in the details.
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We got an Incinerator Stormtrooper from last season's episodes in both 3.75 and 6" flavors. Now I want a mortar Stormtrooper from last week's episode.
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We got an Incinerator Stormtrooper from last season's episodes in both 3.75 and 6" flavors. Now I want a mortar Stormtrooper from last week's episode.
Yes! And obviously an Old Man Boba Fett...
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One thing that isn't clear to me is the rarity of beskar on other Mandalorians armor. Does Boba Fett, Bo-Katan, and others have beskar armor, or is it something different? Boba Fett and Bo-Katan seem to have their armor colored/painted, but I'm not sure if that means they don't have beskar.
I re-watched the episode and he specifically calls Boba Fett's armor "beskar" when saying it has to be returned to Mandalorians. I'm guessing if its some other kind of alloy The Mandalorian wouldn't care as much.
One other thing I noticed is that they never show The Mandalorian retrieving his jet pack. At the end when he is meeting with Cara Dune he isn't wearing it either. I hope he still has possession of it and it wasn't left behind or destroyed by the Stormtroopers.
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If I'm picky, I'd have thought Mando would run for his jetpack first when the imps showed up. Faster way to get back up to where Grogu is and more fighting options. Where was he going to go once he grabbed him anyway? And the Darktroopers looked cool, but all they did was fly down, surround a sleeping child, then fly back up. So jet troopers could have honestly done that. I'm sure we'll get more action out of them and I loved the rest of the episode.
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I've seen so many stories in my newsfeed about fans being "outraged" that the Razor Crest was destroyed after they backed the toy. Fans ******* suck (well, some of them).
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I can't read those articles because I already loathe a portion of us "fans" as it is. How did buying a toy put into place a contract that meant the razor crest was invincible?
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The outrage over the Razor Crest is just ridiculous to me. I agree, some fans just suck. And there’s this undercurrent flowing through fandom that exists across the internet, and it feeds on anger and grievances. I just can’t get that worked up about this, especially given what we’ve all been living through the past 9 months.
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The only ones I've seen are joke posts (like mine), a few randos on twitter and youtubers who don't like the Haslab model and they're being their usual dickish selves about it.
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Same people in a week “I want a Death Star playset!!!!!”
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Same people in a week “I want a Death Star playset!!!!!”
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That might have been my favorite episode of the season, just terrific from start to finish I thought. It occurred to me that the beauty of this show is its ability to add so much depth and texture to the SW universe in a way that the films just don’t have time to do. I really appreciate that aspect of it, and they are hitting on all cylinders right now IMO.
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I loved seeing all the imperial tech from past movies brought together into the Imp base - Juggernaut, Tank Driver armor, Shoretroopers, etc. So cool to see that stuff as more than just a trooper "flavor of the movie" from AOTC or Rogue One.
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I liked the redemption of Mayfeld. Another well-rounded episode...definitely sitting up something big for the season finale.
I’m hoping Bo-Karan and the night owls show up to help. The cruiser they stole in chapter 11 could come in handy!
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This season has been great, really love what they are doing with the story and characters.
I have a 15 and 16 year old that have been absolutely losing it over the fact that Boba Fett and Slave 1 are back. They were seriously jumping off the couch after the extraction hoping they were going to get to hear Slave 1 fire at the TIE Fighters or drop a sonic charge. The actually cheered out loud when the charge went off. The pure joy of kids...
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I too am hoping Bo-Katan and crew, and potentially Ahsoka are part of the boarding party.
My kids were digging the inside of Slave 1 and thought the sonic charge was cool. They wanted to go find that scene in AOTC where Kenobi and Jango were battling and the sonic bombs were dropped.
I'll be interested to see what happens with The Mandalorian now that he has taken his helmet off. Will he take it off more? Will he stray a bit from the dogmatic view of the Death Watch covert he was a part of? Will he eventually join forces with Bo-Katan to try to retake Mandalore? He could start self loathing and become a bit destructive, but I'm guessing that is going to be too dark for this series.
My kids and I loved it, but they are bummed that there is only one more episode to go this season.
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I forgot to mention it was cool to see the inside of Slave 1 during flight. I also like the insight into what the Imperial Remnant is planning. They are planning to just create chaos in the fledgling New Republic in order to topple them and return to power, in addition to what Moff Gideon is planning. That could be a major plot point for the Rangers of the New Republic.
I'm just loving all this stuff right now!
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They wanted to go find that scene in AOTC where Kenobi and Jango were battling and the sonic bombs were dropped.
My sons said the exact same thing! They didn't get the cannon fire during the chase so they wanted to hear that again too.
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The little things are just a part of what's making this series so good! That attention to detail really makes this show work. And seeing how this episode brought back Mayfeld, I was glad to see that Rick Famuyiwa was the director. Because he was also the director for "The Prisoner" in season 1 where we first met Mayfeld.
The New Republic prison scrapyard alone was impressive - scrapping old Imperial vehicles and weapons, plus the New Republic security droid that we also saw in "The Prisoner" just built on the continuity. And I thought Mayfeld's reaction upon seeing Boba Fett and then Mando was well played. Bill Burr is an amazing comedian, but I wasn't sure about how he would approach acting in this series. And he's impressed me with his range. Especially his response when he learned that Grogu had been taken. And then to see how he played things in the remnant base? He played the panic, reminiscence and anger really well.
It was great to see Slave I in a functional way - how Boba Fett sat in the cockpit, the passenger module that would adjust according to the flight profile of the ship, and of course the sonic mine!
And then there was the moment at the terminal! It seemed like a big deal for Mando to get in disguise in the tank crew armor to begin with. It clearly threw him off, because he was fighting the pirates as if he had his Beskar on and got a rude awakening. When Din and Mayfeld were at the remnant base and he took off his helmet? That was a HUGE moment for this character. He let Mayfeld see his face, along with the Imperials and the terminal which probably recorded it and sent it to the Imperial network. He definitely seemed out of sorts having done that. But it just shows you what Grogu means to him that he would do that. And I really wonder where that might lead him.
I've also realized that watching the recap at the beginning of the show is a good thing. Previously I regarded stuff like that as redundant. But then you watch the recap for this episode which opened with Moff Gideon's speech on Nevarro. Because Din Djarin copied it almost exactly in the holo message that he sent to Gideon. And it seemed to have the desired effect, because Gideon seemed unnerved by it.
I'm looking forward to this Friday, but then it's bittersweet, too. Because it's going to be another year before we see this show return to Disney+ again. I think we'll have the Disney Gallery show return to go behind the scenes. I'm just curious how they're going to produce that in light of the pandemic.
And count me in for wanting to see Bo-Katan return with her cruiser! Because I think Mando and his team are going to need the firepower. And there's still the matter of who answered Grogu's call through the Force.
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I agree. I wasn't sure about how I felt about the return of Mayfeld, but I guess I shouldn't lose faith in the writing. It's been exceptional and every piece fits so well. But we got to know who Mayfeld was in this episode instead of just a former Imperial sniper. We got to know more about his past and how his past has shaped him to who he is now. We got to see how he reacted when he was face to face with an superior that didn't give a damn about the soldiers that fought their battles but only cared about the victories. And then to see his sniper skills in action. Wow! Superb.
There are so many nuances in the show that make it great and it keeps getting better.
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Okay. So now that it's been established that Boba's armor is Beskar, which is pretty much indestructible (as evident by Mando), I wonder if they will explain how Fett get his helmet dented?
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They fired the Death Star at him.
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Isn't that supposed to be from Jango whacking his head on Slave-1 in AOTC? I mean it seems unlikely now, but isn't that what happened in the PT?
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I get the sense that there are different purities of beskar alloy used in the different armor. It seems The Mandalorian's is pure and nearly indestructible to blaster fire. While some of the others with beskar seem to have some strength, but not to the level that The Mandalorian's is.
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Isn't that supposed to be from Jango whacking his head on Slave-1 in AOTC? I mean it seems unlikely now, but isn't that what happened in the PT?
I'll be damned! I never realized his helmet was dented on Geonosis. I always figured it was a graze. 18 years and hundreds of viewings and I somehow missed that detail (not the whacking of his head).
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Another excellent installment. Seeing all those troops at the Imperial base was amazing. Loved seeing more tank drivers and Shoretroopers, and just the inside of an imperial base like that. Redemption of Mayfeld was excellent - nice to see him with some humanity and another potential future ally. I thought he was going to turn on Mando, but the back story on why he left the Empire was really cool. The ongoing pirate attack was fun to watch too.
My only nit with this episode was the hologram warning at the end. I like the sentiment, but alerting Gideon that he's coming doesn't seem like the smartest move and maybe a bit out of character. I guess you can argue that he's developing into somebody new now that he has Grogu to care about, but that felt overboard to me.
Very sad that we're down to just one more episode this evening, but I can see re-watching the whole thing over the holidays.
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My only nit with this episode was the hologram warning at the end. I like the sentiment, but alerting Gideon that he's coming doesn't seem like the smartest move and maybe a bit out of character. I guess you can argue that he's developing into somebody new now that he has Grogu to care about, but that felt overboard to me.
I thought the same thing. Heck, Gideon might have even thought him dead after the orbital blasting of The Razor Crest. This does away with some of the element of surprise, but I guess maybe its more dramatic this way. ::)
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I also thought announcing you're coming to Gideon in real life would be a bad move. But in a TV show, to have Din give the exact speech Gideon gave to him on the S1 finale to show how strong the relationship between he and Grogu has grown was beautifully written.
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I actually liked the Holo-threat. It's a classic psyop. I'm coming for the child and there's nothing you can do to stop me.
Which leads me to believe we're seeing the Bo-Katan and the night owls in the finale!
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My only nit with this episode was the hologram warning at the end.
This does away with some of the element of surprise, but I guess maybe its more dramatic this way. ::)
I agree that it's not a very smart tactical move, but it's a very western movie/show trope, which fits right in with the stylings of this show.
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/1d/7e/b3/1d7eb34ef0b83b4d8e60874e303372b1.jpg)
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Great point, Jeff! The Western elements in this show have been there all throughout - especially in the first episode of the season. Calling law enforcement 'Marshall'; the posse going after the Krayt dragon; likening the Sand People to Native American tribes; the shootout between Din Djarin and Lang - who was portrayed by an actor who also played a gunfighter in "Tombstone"; the countless nods for both Din Djarin and Boba Fett to Clint Eastwood's 'Man with no name'; they even got a couple of cast members from "Deadwood" for that first episode!
There's something to be said for a threat like the one Din Djarin made. Because he essentially said that he's coming for the Child, and there's nothing Moff Gideon can do to stop him.
Okay. So now that it's been established that Boba's armor is Beskar, which is pretty much indestructible (as evident by Mando), I wonder if they will explain how Fett get his helmet dented?
Perhaps he got hit in the head with the Armorer's hammer? ;D
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I agree that it's not a very smart tactical move, but it's a very western movie/show trope, which fits right in with the stylings of this show.
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/1d/7e/b3/1d7eb34ef0b83b4d8e60874e303372b1.jpg)
Beautiful analogy.
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DAMN.
That is all for at least the next 24 hours.
This is the way.
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Dank Farrik!
That has replaced Frell as my go to fake curse word! :D
BTW.....there is a post credit scene. I shall say no more.
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Holy ****, I love this show. :)
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He is us and we are him. We all feel that way watching it.
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Guys.
Guys.... I don’t know what to say. This show is by far the best thing to come out if Star Wars since ROTJ and it’s not close.
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I'm teary eyed and grinning all at once.
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JFC, that was amazing, some of the best SW stuff in a loooong time. From start to finish, just exciting and fun. So many thoughts to sort out now!
So thankful for all the quality people involved with this project, the extra thought and attention to details really says a lot about their commitment.
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Jon Favreau, Dave Filoni and the entire production team truly get IT. They get Star Wars in a way that is so beautifully engrained in the series and this particular show. And hat's off to Peyton Reed who directed this particular episode!
I have to wake up super early for my job. And yesterday (Friday) I happened to wake up more than an hour earlier than I was supposed to (4:30), and I realized that Chapter 16 had dropped and there was time before I had to log into my job remotely. I just wasn't prepared for this to be so completely riveting from beginning to end. It felt very much the same watching it the second time. The air of secrecy around Star Wars during the Disney era has been really frustrating for us as collectors (waiting a year or more for figures of new characters), but when the payoff is like THIS? Keep being secretive, please!
Oh, and in the post credits scene? Fantastic Kenner style easter egg!!!!
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That was such a satisfying season finale. Fascinating story lines to expect -- chief among them the Bo-Katan/dark saber quandary and the reckoning with the Death Watch Mandos for revealing his face -- but right now I can't help but get lost in what I just watched.
And, hell yeah, I want a figure of Big Bib.
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That episode and all of your comments have put such a big smile on my face.
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Definitely some of the best Star Wars action and storytelling I’ve seen in a long time... Awesome ending as well! It’s too bad Dave Filoni and John Farveau weren’t considered to develop/direct the Sequel Trilogy, since, as The Mandalorian proves, it would have been far better than what we got.
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The Mandalorian has been spectacular. It would be interesting to see what John and Dave would have done with a movie(s). I liked Swingers. But the ability to make good TV with hours of time and making a good movie in two hours are not the same skill. "Proves" is a strong word. The ST was far from perfect but the PT proved making another OT is tough. The Mandalorian proves nothing about the ST for me.
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I was stunned by what this show has been able to do. I have seen a good number of fans saying things like Favreau and Filoni should have produced the Sequel Trilogy, or that this episode was "a thumb in the eye to the people who said let old things die", etc. Personally, I love what this show has done. I think what we've seen is linked largely to the timeline of the OT and that era. And we have seen very distinct eras across the three film trilogies, along with three different generations of characters. "The Rescue" showed us at long last the Jedi Knight that Luke had become, in full command of his abilities to use the Force. But I think that is something entirely different from the person that he would become thirty years later after both personal triumphs and tragedy, along with further galactic upheaval.
I'm left wondering where we go from here. Because this story was not just about Din Djarin. This was about him and Grogu. It was about them bonding over the course of their journeys. I've heard a number of people reference "Lone wolf and cub" as a significant influence on The Mandalorian, and I see those parallels. At first the kid was just another job - a bounty to be collected. But when they parted? It was almost heartbreaking to see the expression on Din's face as the Child left with Luke. The fact that Din Djarin completely revealed his face to Grogu spoke volumes about how much he had changed up to that point. It leaves me thinking that Din might be somewhat lost. Where does he go from here? He seemed content to just give Bo-Katan the Dark Saber. Removing his helmet as he has means that he can't go back to the Children of the Watch.
And then that ending. I didn't see it coming at all. And clearly neither did Bib Fortuna! McClunkey, indeed. BTW, check out his staff - fantastic easter egg! It became clear in "The Tragedy" that Boba Fett has a code, and he honored what he saw as a debt to Din Djarin in the rescue of the Child. So what kind of underworld boss will Boba Fett be?
So where do we go from here? It seems like Din Djarin needs to find a path of his own. Does he go to Sorgun? Or will he join Bo-Katan in her struggle to re-unite the Mandalorians? Jon Favreau is going to be on Good Morning America in a few minutes. I'm curious to hear what he has to say, because I think they're going to ask him about that.
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Now we have answers!
The Book of Boba Fett is in production. Season 3 of The Mandalorian is in pre-production, and will continue to follow Din Djarin. Production on season 3 will commence following work on The Book of Boba Fett. They're both set in the same timeline, as is Rangers of the New Republic and Ahsoka. The Book of Boba Fett comes out in December 2021, and it looks like season 3 of The Mandalorian will come out in 2022.
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While I'm sad to see Grogu and Din Djarin part, I'm also a little hopeful that this will allow for some more varied storytelling. They had a great relationship and it was fun, but it would get old after awhile.
Like some have speculated, will Din Djarin help Bo-Katan reunite Mandalore and will he be in a support role or a lead role? He could be the guy that scours the universe for more coverts and brings them all back in to the fold.
I think its totally logical that Luke would be the one to hear Grogu's call through the force and come get him. I'm surprised Ashoka didn't send Din Djarin directly on a quest to find Luke, but I guess this is more interesting from a surprise storytelling perspective.
I may be the only one, but I'm really not that excited to have a Boba Fett spin off while we've got The Mandalorian going, although I thought the bit at the end where he goes and takes the throne was kind of funny. I sure hope they're very, very different story designs and character arcs.
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One angle I'm not seeing talked about much is why it's assumed it's a done deal that Luke has Grogu now. Who's to say that he's going to be successful in training the kid at all? I keep thinking about Ahsoka and the contrast between the two. Ahsoka sits with the child, "speaks" with him, gets to know him and understand him, and tests him and comes to the conclusion that he's too attached to Din and that she can't train him because she thinks that attachment could be a problem. Maybe that's just her oldschool jedi indoctrination at work or maybe she just has enough foresight to recognize how things might go if she separates them. Compare it with Luke, who pretty much shows up, convinces both parties, who are clearly hesitant, that he knows best, and takes the kid without a second thought. He's force sensitive, so he needs to be trained. Maybe Grogu's training won't go very well at all. Maybe his emotional connection to Din will be a problem ultimately. Maybe he will eventually abandon Luke and his training after sensing Din is going to be in danger, mirroring Luke ditching Yoda in ESB.
Din sent Grogu with Luke because he thought that's what he is supposed to do and what was best for the kid. Grogu went cuz he thought that's what Din wanted him to do and wanted to make him happy. I've often held the thought that the overarching plot here isn't that Grogu needs to be returned to his people, the jedi or whatever. That's just a misdirection. Din and Grogu eventually discovering that they are each others people and that they need each other, and this is just another bump in the road for their relationship, and the eventual discovery that Din is basically his Dad and Grogu his son. At least that's my hope. I want a tiny mando helmet wearing Grogu who decides to follow the way of the Mandalorian.
This could also be a first glimpse at Luke's setup for where he ends up in the sequels. Watch the scene again with grizzled Luke in mind. He's in full on Luke Skywalker, Jedi Legend mode here. The way he's mirroring Vaders Rogue One scene. His final move on the last Darktrooper, force crushing it rather than just ending it simply. It's cool and badass and everything and it's really fun to watch, but it's not very jedi like. It comes off as a little arrogant and show offy for a jedi. Think of Yoda's words and teachings. Adventure, excitement. A jedi caves not these things. A jedi uses the force for knowledge and defense. Never attack. Perhaps Grogu will be one of Luke's first lessons that being a jedi master isn't as simple as swinging a laser sword and being all mystical and legendary, eventually culminating in his failure with Ben Solo and the rise of Kylo Ren. I'm likely looking too much into it, but there may be more nuance to that ending beyond just "wow, Luke is a badass jedi."
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I'm likely looking too much into it, but there may be more nuance to that ending beyond just "wow, Luke is a badass jedi."
Heck, I just want to know where Luke stowed Grogu when they left in the X-Wing. I guess he could squeeze him in on his lap...it's not like there are extra seats.
Unless Luke knew he wasn't getting a full-sized trainee here, it's kind of an odd choice of a rescue vehicle to show up in. :P
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I'm likely looking too much into it, but there may be more nuance to that ending beyond just "wow, Luke is a badass jedi."
Heck, I just want to know where Luke stowed Grogu when they left in the X-Wing. I guess he could squeeze him in on his lap...it's not like there are extra seats.
I thought the same thing. Hopefully he has a Baby (Yoda) Bjorn or something similar.
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It's possible that Grogru might be a victim in Kylo Ren's attack on the academy. :o
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BTW, check out his staff - fantastic easter egg!
You guys are going to have to help me out. Maybe I'm getting old, but whose staff was this?
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It is the (non-movie prop) staff that came with the Kenner Bib Fortuna figure...that was another grin-worthy moment for me, Bib was my first ROTJ figure.
(https://www.rebelscum.com/vintage/vintbibfortunaloose-m.jpg)
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Late to the party and haven't commented much, but holy cow, this whole season. And that finale! I didn't believe they'd actually have the guts to get Luke out there, and still didn't believe until I saw the lightsaber handle followed by the hood removal. I'm not ashamed to say I shed a tear or two of joy/excitement. THAT is the Luke we all wanted in the Sequel Trilogy, just wrecking shop for a few minutes and doing all sorts of cool Force stuff.
For some reason all of my friends seem to think Gideon killed Bo Katan, but I thought she was clearly shown at the end? If anything, I'd guess that the Sasha Banks Mandalorian was killed.
I'm really intrigued to see where they go for Season 3. There's no way Disney gives up on Grogu just yet. So I'm wondering if we get a time lapse, or build through the season to some sort of reunion.
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For some reason all of my friends seem to think Gideon killed Bo Katan, but I thought she was clearly shown at the end? If anything, I'd guess that the Sasha Banks Mandalorian was killed
All four of the ladies were standing behind Mando when Luke left, so all should be fine for next season. Will be interesting to see what they do with a Light Imperial Cruiser and a captured Moff. Got to imagine there is a pretty good bounty/reward for Gideon if they can get him to the New Republic.
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Will be interesting to see what they do with a ... captured Moff. Got to imagine there is a pretty good bounty/reward for Gideon if they can get him to the New Republic.
Despite trying to blaster his head off, I'm surprised he didn't have a back-up suicide apparatus similar to Captain Titus Welliver since (I would assume) Gideon would know more secrets about the Empire and its plans, especially those tanks filled with Strand-Casts they found on Nevarro.
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I see Gideon as the saving his own skin at any costs type. Not the suicide in an act of what's best for the empire type. Doesn't seem like a Moff move.
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Late to the party and haven't commented much, but holy cow, this whole season. And that finale! I didn't believe they'd actually have the guts to get Luke out there, and still didn't believe until I saw the lightsaber handle followed by the hood removal. I'm not ashamed to say I shed a tear or two of joy/excitement. THAT is the Luke we all wanted in the Sequel Trilogy, just wrecking shop for a few minutes and doing all sorts of cool Force stuff.
For some reason all of my friends seem to think Gideon killed Bo Katan, but I thought she was clearly shown at the end? If anything, I'd guess that the Sasha Banks Mandalorian was killed.
I'm really intrigued to see where they go for Season 3. There's no way Disney gives up on Grogu just yet. So I'm wondering if we get a time lapse, or build through the season to some sort of reunion.
Those mooks, Gideon shot at Sasha Banks' character, but even she survived.
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Moff Gideon shot Bo-Katan. Koska Reeves was initially standing closer to where Gideon was sitting, but moved closer to the blast doors as the Dark Troopers were battering it. Bo-Katan was looking at the monitor watching Luke in action when Gideon pulled the blaster and shot her. It seems like the Beskar in her armor took the brunt of it, and Gideon also shot Din Djarin in the process of trying to kill Grogu.
When I first watched the episode it seemed like there was the possibility that Moff Gideon might have killed Bo-Katan. I know that I was distracted by Luke continuing to cut through the Dark Troopers. But when I watched again I saw Bo-Katan get up.
Gideon's exchange with Bo-Katan about the Darksaber seems to have made Din Djarin's world significantly more complicated. Bo-Katan made it clear that she wanted to face Moff Gideon. And Din Djarin was fully prepared to give the Darksaber to Bo-Katan. But Gideon's knowledge of the Mandalorian customs associated with the Darksaber indicates that if anything, Din Djarin is potentially in line to be the ruler of Mandalore having won the Darksaber in combat. If Gideon had killed Bo-Katan things would be a bit more clear-cut. But it seems clear that Bo-Katan wants to rule Mandalore. So will she continue to be an ally, or become an adversary of Din Djarin?
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But it seems clear that Bo-Katan wants to rule Mandalore. So will she continue to be an ally, or become an adversary of Din Djarin?
It will be interesting to watch this play out more next season. I have been re-watching the last few seasons of Rebels and there is an episode where Bo-Katan turned down the sword from Sabine, saying something to the effect that she is not meant to rule Mandalore ("I am not my sister). Curious to see if that's changed or if she is trying to get the blade back on behalf of someone else.
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Could be that she just wants the Darksaber to be owned by a Mandalorian who is going to restore the glory of Mandalore. She might actually be okay with Din Djarin, but my guess is that she doesn't consider him a "true Mandalorian" as he's not from there and never been there.
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I got the impression that Bo-Katan was not pleased to see Din Djarin walk in with Moff Gideon in his custody while holding the Darksaber. And it seemed like she REALLY wanted to find it when she was questioning the Imperial Captain in "The Heiress".
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Yeah nothing about her character ever had me thinking that she just wants some Mando to rule, she wants to rule.
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I keep coming back to Din Djarin's realization that he was the member of a cult. He has removed his helmet, which means that he can't return to the Children of the Watch. And it looks like he's also going to be at odds with Bo-Katan who wants the Darksaber.
Bright side? It sounds like Din Djarin might have just gotten paid a pretty hefty bounty for bringing in Moff Gideon alive. Who wants to bet that he buys himself another Razor Crest? LOL
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I think Bo-Katan wants the dark saber to reunite Mandalore. That doesn't necessarily mean she wants to lead, but maybe the symbol is something the scattered Mandalorians can rally around. Its not clear to me if the Empire still holds the planet or if its just a total wasteland, but clearly it looks like they need to retake the planet somehow given the need for the cruiser.
I just re-watched the season finale this week and realized that the other Mando was WWE's Sasha Banks. That's the problem with trying to not read anything about the series for fear of spoilers I guess. I thought she did pretty well - couple of nice acrobatics in the fight scenes, though I don't get the braids-wrapped-around-your-forehead look. I thought that was some kind of headset the first time I saw it.