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Collectibles => Past Hasbro 3.75" Lines => Saga Collection '06 => Topic started by: CHEWIE on June 28, 2006, 12:48 PM
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Just wondering... Hasbro has kind of hinted that they might make some of these styled figures for the prequels someday, but what about characters in the modern VOTC/VSTC line but never had a vintage counterpart?
I know there's some out there that are potential ones. Like a Rebel Fleet Trooper for starters.
Thoughts?
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I think we should but only if they appear on POTF cards. That seemed to be the direction the line was going with unmade figs like Luke Stormtrooper, DS Gunner. There are so many great choices but these always stood out as the main figs that were missed.
Han Solo Stormtrooper
Grand Moff Tarkin
Rebel Fleet Trooper
Sandtrooper
Darth Vader Removable Helmet
Princess Leia Prisoner
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I'm not sure I'd want this, because then why shouldn't every figure be this way and cost $10-12? I also hate the idea of prequel versions. Sorry- bitter old purist (BOP) comin' out!
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I'm a traditionalist/purist in this idea as well. Stick to the only figures that had actual vintage era counterparts. ;)
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I have never bought into the whole VOTC thing. From the original wave I only have a few b/c I got them at Amazon al 5 something each. From the new wave I have Endor Han b/c it was a gift. Fancy packaging is not for me. And why should I pay $13 today for a figure with the articulation of one that was 4.79 last year?
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I'm a traditionalist/purist in this idea as well. Stick to the only figures that had actual vintage era counterparts. ;)
I am also a traditionalist, so I would rather they stick to what was really part of the vintage line. However, I am a realist too. If they made prequel style figures like this I would buy them.
The bearded side of the merchandise force has a terrible hold over me. Its worse than a drug addiction. I buy every different (not repacks) 3.75 figure Hasbro makes and get the shakes if i do not buying something new every few days. Saying I would not buy prequel VOTC because of my "traditional ethic" would be the biggest a crock of ****.
I would bet even most of the hardcore "purist" would cave if they were that cool.
I would love to see them re-release a real POTF figure like Luke Stormtrooper or Han carbonite, actually the good old Yakface would be sweet. He would just warm pegs though.
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I'm a traditionalist/purist in this idea as well. Stick to the only figures that had actual vintage era counterparts. ;)
This is where I'm at, but, I think Hasbro will go down the path of experimentation. I look at the Lucas figure as the first step.
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Hasbro says once they've done the main vintage figures they may consider PT VOTC style figures so why not more OT figures?
Grand Moff Tarkin
Shot R2-D2
Smuggler Lando Calrissian
Slave Leia Organa
DS II Luke Skywalker
Ewok Warrior
End ESB scene Luke Skywalker
End ESB scene Leia Organa
That's all I can think of besides minor characters Kenner's line covered up about all the main stuff.
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I would only dig it if they were on regular cards and priced at going basic figure price. I hope Hasbro doesn't offer non-vintage figure in the VOTC/VTSC manner, it just isn't right. But I would welcome awesome articulate (ball-joints on shoulders, elbows, and knees at least) of resculpt figures from E1-E3 and others that were never part of the vintage line that are released in the basic figure line.
roron corobb
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Think we'll get any VOTC/VSTC that never had a vintage figure made?
God, I hope not.
As others have said, not only would it go against the entire point of the retro-vintage line to begin with, but it would also free up Hasbro to put all their best work into the $10+ figures, which would make it a little easier for them to skimp on their basic line stuff.
"George Lucas in Stormtrooper Disguise" is retarded enough as it is; please, let's not piss on the memory of the vintage line any more than we already have.
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Well, maybe introduce maybe a "POTC" line- Premium Original Trilogy Collection to include OT figs that didn't have a vintage release, but are in desperate need of an ultimate version of the character.
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Think we'll get any VOTC/VSTC that never had a vintage figure made?
God, I hope not.
As others have said, not only would it go against the entire point of the retro-vintage line to begin with, but it would also free up Hasbro to put all their best work into the $10+ figures, which would make it a little easier for them to skimp on their basic line stuff.
"George Lucas in Stormtrooper Disguise" is retarded enough as it is; please, let's not piss on the memory of the vintage line any more than we already have.
Agree with that, enough said ;D.
Well, maybe introduce maybe a "POTC" line- Premium Original Trilogy Collection to include OT figs that didn't have a vintage release, but are in desperate need of an ultimate version of the character.
Don't give them any ideas, unless you like paying $10+ for figures that should have been the in basic line :P.
roron corobb
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Good posts guys. I wouldn't consider it "pissing on" the vintage line if they did it, and if you don't like stuff they make like the Lucas figure, well nobody is forcing you to send in the POP's to get that figure anyway. I agree though that I don't like that figure one bit.
Anyways, I really don't want to see the direction of the line go with more $10 figures either, but I could see it happening. Pretty much all of us buy them now, so I doubt we'd suddenly halt our buying habits if they offered a VSTC Rebel Fleet Trooper or Slave Leia.
My hope actually is that we get some more Evolution sets instead, but unfortunately it doesn't seem like they are going in that direction.
And we can't give Hasbro too many ideas; they already have made major blunders with lines like the Choppers.
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I'm of the same mind where I'd just as soon see the line stick to figures that actually had counterparts in the vintage line. Not that I don't want to see (and would buy) some prequel or additional OT figures done to the same standards of the VOTC/VTSC. I'd really enjoy to see all of the figures get the type of attention that the majority of the VOTC/VTSC figures have, but I don't necessarily want to see them on some sort of reproduced "vintage style" cardbacks - passing them off as vintage. Something like this probably will eventually happen though, and if/when it does, I really see how we're going to start gravitating towards all figures being closer to the $10 pricepoint. That's something none of us want to see.
I don't think any of us is against seeing nicely sculpted, super articulated versions of prequel characters - as well as additional OT characters (Stormtrooper Han, Tarkin, Rebel Trooper, etc.) that weren't necessarily in the original vintage line - its more the fact of passing them off as "vintage" with these cardbacks and then charging $10 for them. It would be nice if we could just get that type of quality of figures in the basic line, but it seems like we're getting further away from that anymore. I'm wondering if the $10 pricepoint could be in our future more often. Its hard to say, we buy the figures - but it does seem - especially with this latest wave of VTSC figures (and some exclusives) - that the $10 stuff is starting to sit a little, at least around here. Maybe things are just shipped heavier, maybe the $10-$12 price is too high for anyone but a collector, but it will be interesting to see what this leads to down the road. With basic figure prices near $7 this year, I don't know that $10 figures are that far off unfortunately.
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No thanks.
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I wouldn't consider it "pissing on" the vintage line if they did it
I'll withdraw.
Please, let's not urinate on the memory of the vintage line any more than we already have.
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No, please no prequel figures or even nonvintage-line figures on vintage-style cards. Is nothing sacred? ;)
But...
Say in nine years, when the modern line turns 20, Hasbro decides to remake Clone Troopers and other prequel-era figures in the style of the the 1995 POTF-era figures. Afterall, won't these POTF figures be vintage by then? They can resculpt a Cody into an overly buff, posed statue with huge plastic weapons and slap him on an orange POTF card. The kitsch value will skyrocket. Of course, by that time I'll be spending my money on Viagra and Rogaine, but the kids will love 'em!
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I think you're right Brian, with the regular line hitting about $7 now, and still selling well from what I see we might see more $10 figures than we really want. I could see them going in the direction with some figures that never were made in the vintage line and marketing them as "First Time Ever on a Vintage Card!", or "The Figures Kenner Forgot!"
I think that some people take a bit too much offense and get somewhat rude when something is mentioned with the vintage line however, and that kind of leaves me scratching my head. But that could be because I see the line as a whole and could really care less even if they reissue every single figure from here on out on vintage style cards. I open them after all; the only thing that would set me back at all is the price. I was just asking what people thought that might do and didn't realize that people would be so passionate, LOL. Kind of funny in a way. I can't imagine the hatred that would pour out of people if Hasbro actually does do something like this. Somehow I have the feeling that people who are complaining about the idea would still buy them though.
They still have the license for another decade or so, so I'm sure they'll make a lot of moves that tick collectors off. I wonder if anyone who thinks the vintage line has been pissed on have actually pissed on the line too by even buying any of the VOTC/VSTC stuff... so have you refrained from adding to the piss? :D
Since I'm not a vintage purist, I really don't care if they do it or not, I just want to see a VOTC/VSTC quality in the line with all figures. They should be able to do it with all figures in my opinion though without raising prices. I'd be all for more Evolution sets though before more vintage packaged figures, but only because the price.
Around my area, I am seeing all the VSTC (except for Biker Scouts) sitting. I think it's because they only did one wave and that wave seems to have been very highly produced. I am sure we'll be seeing them on clearance before too long, or at least I hope so. The Targets in my area have lowered them a bit (although only down to $11.08) but hopefully they'll knock them down to about half that price and I would think that Walmarts will be reducing their price pretty soon too.
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I think that some people take a bit too much offense and get somewhat rude when something is mentioned with the vintage line
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I wonder if anyone who thinks the vintage line has been pissed on have actually pissed on the line too by even buying any of the VOTC/VSTC stuff... so have you refrained from adding to the piss? :D
I've been on a steady liquid diet of Hasbro's urine for the last ten years or so, so I'm pretty used to it by now. With the exception of the Georgetrooper, the retro-vintage line has tried to be pretty faithful to the original line, so I don't have a problem with it. But making figures that were never in the vintage line (or prequel figures) and slapping them on a pseudo-vintage cardback flies in the face of the entire point of the retro-vintage line to begin with.
I just want to see a VOTC/VSTC quality in the line with all figures. They should be able to do it with all figures in my opinion though without raising prices.
Hey, look at that--that's what I want to see, too. And they proved they could do it, too, with all the super-articulation we got in the basic line last year. So why not let the retro-vintage line stay truly vintage, and use the basic line for all the non-vintage stuff?
. . .Jar Jar Binks on a pseudo-vintage Phantom Menace "12-back" style card. . . Nah, that wouldn't be pissing on the memory of the vintage line at all. . .
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No harm done, just a friendly discussion Matt. I agree that it would be nice to see the vintage "remakes" stay true to the vintage line for the purists, it's a fun line with how they've handled it so far. It just wouldn't make me mad if they expanded it past the original vintage characters made back in the day, other than me having to shell out more money for figures that I want. And with what they did for most of the ROTS line articulation/sculpt wise, they can still do it now in the regular line.
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Just for fun, how about they make Life Day Chewbacca on a vintage card.
I am joking.
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I think you're in a pretty small minority here Chewie.
I think that putting non vintage figures on vintage cards would be the biggest Star Wars **** up since Greedo shooting first.
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Hasbro says once they've done the main vintage figures they may consider PT VOTC style figures so why not more OT figures?
Where'd they say this?
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That's the first I've heard of that. To my knowledge they haven't even committed to anything beyond 'we're looking at doing another wave in 2007' - from the Hasbro Q&A.
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From ActionFigureInsider.com (http://www.actionfigureinsider.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=3510&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=36):
3. More VOTC/VTSC in 2007 is great news. Is there any chance of a similar premium style line based on the prequel trilogy?
Right now, there are a lot of OTC characters yet to be done in Vintage style. In the future, if the series continues, we may look at doing prequel figures in Vintage style …. But it probably won't be anytime soon, especially since there are still so many Kenner figures to consider!
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That's the day I quit collecting. :-X
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I think you're in a pretty small minority here Chewie.
Looks like I might be in the minority on several other things, like wanting big vehicles, and more large playsets too. No big deal; especially since I don't really care about packaging, which is why the whole vintage deal doesn't bother me whichever way it goes. When it comes down to it, I just want quality out of the 3-3/4" line.
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That's the day I quit collecting. :-X
So, if Hasbro were to offer a wave that consisted of this in the vintage style format, you'd quit this entire hobby that you spend so much toy runs/money/internet time on?
- VSTC ROTS Final Duel Darth Sidious
- VSTC ROTS Commander Cody (done right!)
- VSTC Qui Gon Jinn
- VSTC Mace Windu
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Looks like I might be in the minority on several other things, like wanting big vehicles, and more large playsets too.
Nah, everybody else wants all that stuff, too--we just realize that if Hasbro wanted to do it, then they'd be doing it already. No need to beat them over the head with it. Big ships and playsets--not something they're interested in right now.
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Seems like a lot of people always say they'd only buy those on clearance though... so to me that means they really don't want those that bad. Or just don't want to shell out the money. I can see why though, especially since most of the bigger items they have offered really haven't been that great of quality (like the Geonosis Arena for example).
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That's the day I quit collecting. :-X
So, if Hasbro were to offer a wave that consisted of this in the vintage style format, you'd quit this entire hobby that you spend so much toy runs/money/internet time on?
- VSTC ROTS Final Duel Darth Sidious
- VSTC ROTS Commander Cody (done right!)
- VSTC Qui Gon Jinn
- VSTC Mace Windu
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I've been looking for a good excuse.
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That's the day I quit collecting. :-X
So, if Hasbro were to offer a wave that consisted of this in the vintage style format, you'd quit this entire hobby that you spend so much toy runs/money/internet time on?
- VSTC ROTS Final Duel Darth Sidious
- VSTC ROTS Commander Cody (done right!)
- VSTC Qui Gon Jinn
- VSTC Mace Windu
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I've been looking for a good excuse.
I agree. I would go back and focus my time on my vintage collection. I have already made big compromises in the way I collect do to the lack of figures they should have given us to begin with, so I could bail out with no questions asked.
roron corobb
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From ActionFigureInsider.com (http://www.actionfigureinsider.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=3510&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=36):
3. More VOTC/VTSC in 2007 is great news. Is there any chance of a similar premium style line based on the prequel trilogy?
Right now, there are a lot of OTC characters yet to be done in Vintage style. In the future, if the series continues, we may look at doing prequel figures in Vintage style …. But it probably won't be anytime soon, especially since there are still so many Kenner figures to consider!
Thanks Jeff!
...and Artoo too.
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That's the day I quit collecting. :-X
So, if Hasbro were to offer a wave that consisted of this in the vintage style format, you'd quit this entire hobby that you spend so much toy runs/money/internet time on?
- VSTC ROTS Final Duel Darth Sidious
- VSTC ROTS Commander Cody (done right!)
- VSTC Qui Gon Jinn
- VSTC Mace Windu
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I've been looking for a good excuse.
I agree. I would go back and focus my time on my vintage collection. I have already made big compromises in the way I collect do to the lack of figures they should have given us to begin with, so I could bail out with no questions asked.
roron corobb
Bail out!? Yikes. I'm too much in love with this hobby to bail out, even if they decided to throw Animated figures onto vintage packaging... OMG, what a horrible idea! That really does kind of make me sick thinking about that one.
Regardless, I'll still stick to what I like, no matter what they do with the line. I don't see myself ever bailing out. I've invested too much of my life into collecting and enjoying the hobby.
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- VSTC Mace Windu
I'm drooling at the thought of that...
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I'd like that too quite a bit. I think that Mace is the most looked over character in the prequels by Hasbro.
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That's the day I quit collecting. :-X
So, if Hasbro were to offer a wave that consisted of this in the vintage style format, you'd quit this entire hobby that you spend so much toy runs/money/internet time on?
- VSTC ROTS Final Duel Darth Sidious
- VSTC ROTS Commander Cody (done right!)
- VSTC Qui Gon Jinn
- VSTC Mace Windu
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Drool on all of those! But I'm starting to think this would be a bad idea becyase these can be in the basic line saving 4 or 3 bucks.
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I agree, I'd rather see them at $6 pricetag as well... but then again, if the only way we'd get ultimate versions of those figures was to pay $10, I'd go ahead and say make them that way.
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I'd like that too quite a bit. I think that Mace is the most looked over character in the prequels by Hasbro.
Exactly! I just don't undertsand how practically every other PT Jedi has a figure that has a great sculpt (or close to it), and all the past Mace figures have been crap. Finally Hasbro understands us, since we'll be getting an SA Windu next year :D
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I agree, I'd rather see them at $6 pricetag as well... but then again, if the only way we'd get ultimate versions of those figures was to pay $10, I'd go ahead and say make them that way.
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Fine then, pay 10 dollars, pay 10 thousand dollars for all I care - just don't put them on freaking vintage Kenner cards.
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I do not know about the $10 for articulation. That is the reason I have no VOTC Stormies or VTSC Scouts. I do not think I should have to shell out 10 for something they proved they can do for less than five (SA clone trooper).
My guess is that if Hasbro goes the $10 route or higher then I will not. :'(
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I agree, I'd rather see them at $6 pricetag as well... but then again, if the only way we'd get ultimate versions of those figures was to pay $10, I'd go ahead and say make them that way.
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Fine then, pay 10 dollars, pay 10 thousand dollars for all I care - just don't put them on freaking vintage Kenner cards.
The thing I don't get is, if you are an opener, what in the world does it matter what packaging it comes on? Put them on freaking Strawberry Shortcake cardbacks for all I care, I'm going to open and enjoy good figures.
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The thing I don't get is, if you are an opener, what in the world does it matter what packaging it comes on?
Pretty simple.
Money.
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The thing I don't get is, if you are an opener, what in the world does it matter what packaging it comes on? Put them on freaking Strawberry Shortcake cardbacks for all I care, I'm going to open and enjoy good figures.
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I collect everything carded, and loose.
44 VOTC Stormtroopers and 22 evolutions packs say it's not about money for me.
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The thing I don't get is, if you are an opener, what in the world does it matter what packaging it comes on?
Pretty simple.
Money.
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Oh. Yesterday you said it was because it would be urinating on the memory of the vintage line more than they already have. I thought it was the purist in you.
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The thing I don't get is, if you are an opener, what in the world does it matter what packaging it comes on? Put them on freaking Strawberry Shortcake cardbacks for all I care, I'm going to open and enjoy good figures.
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I collect everything carded, and loose.
44 VOTC Stormtroopers and 22 evolutions packs say it's not about money for me.
It's not really about the packaging for me, it would be money actually. Still I'd rather see a $10 Rebel Fleet Trooper that was awesome regardless of how it was packaged, than perhaps another reissue of the POTJ version.
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Oh. Yesterday you said it was because it would be urinating on the memory of the vintage line more than they already have. I thought it was the purist in you.
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That's certainly part of it, too, but I'm pretty sure that I mentioned that the expense was a factor, as well.
But I understand if that may have gotten lost in the shuffle, with the four-or-five dozen posts you made here yesterday. . .
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Oh. Yesterday you said it was because it would be urinating on the memory of the vintage line more than they already have. I thought it was the purist in you.
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That's certainly part of it, too, but I'm pretty sure that I mentioned that the expense was a factor, as well.
But I understand if that may have gotten past you, with the four-or-five dozen posts you made here yesterday. . .
Ah, I knew the personal insults couldn't be far behind.
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Ah, I knew the personal insults couldn't be far behind.
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No personal insults here.
You posted a ton of stuff yesterday, so it's perfectly normal to assume that you would have spent more time typing instead of listening to what other people had to say.
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Oh. Yesterday you said it was because it would be urinating on the memory of the vintage line more than they already have. I thought it was the purist in you.
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I can't speak for Matthew, but that's certainly 99% of it for me.
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Are we still talking about little plastic toys or is this about something important and serious? ???
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For the record I'm all for non-vintage figures getting slipped into the vintage modern collections... I'd prefer that Hasbro focused on getting the main characters and army builders FROM the Vintage line out first... But I'd prefer certain non-vintage figures getting slipped in over some actual vintage figures. That's partly the customizer in me though since I've enjoyed seeing people's work to make a vintage Tarkin or vintage Fleet Trooper...
For me I'd prefer the RFT get a $10 great figure over no decent basic figure... I want to see some vintage redo's though first like Han Hoth, Luke Hoth, Leia Hoth just off the top of my head...
I'd take a vintage styled RFT over Rancor Keeper any day though.
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I'd take a vintage styled RFT over Rancor Keeper any day though.
I'll take both - or my dream of having an entire vintage carded set (yet to begin) next to an entire VTSC carded set will never become reality.
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I'd take both, don't get me wrong Rob, but I'd take the RFT first I guess is my meaning there... I want that more.
I want that in the basic line though of course... If they'd put this stuff out in the basic line, or be more willing to imply they WOULD put this level of quality into the basic line (as they should) more often, then I'd not have the desire to see the "Vintage" styled Fleet Trooper over background figures who were in the vintage line originally.
I'd take a Rancor Keeper too though... It'd almost be comical.
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I want more RFT Troopers too, done right. Maybe not as much as Jesse has spoken out about it, but pretty damn bad. If it's VSTS, Evolutions, whatever. For $10, if done right, I'd get at least 20 of them. As long as they are done right, I'd be happy regardless of packaging or whatever gimmick they tried to go with.
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I would go nuts (in a good way) to see a Rebel Fleet Trooper on a newly created "Vintage" card. It would be like a "what if..." card, and would satisfy a strong childhood to have that figure on a Kenner card.
For that matter, I would have been happy if they'd put the recent Santrooper in the VTSC on a newly created Vintage style card. Again, as a kid I really, really wanted a Santrooper, but Kenner never delivered.
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That's a good idea too Speedermike, at least in my opinion. I'd go for that.
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