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Title: Obi-Wan's Blue Jedi Starfighter
Post by: SilverZ on May 25, 2005, 02:24 PM
Amazon.com has listed two "new" starfighters that are apparently available in September. They're $24.99 for the ship with what they claim is an exclusive figure.

Obi-Wan's Starfighter (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B0009J8PZE/qid=1117045206/sr=2-4/ref=pd_bbs_b_2_4/104-2228382-5132750)
Anakin's Starfighter (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B0007XTNCQ/ref=pd_sbs_t_1/104-2228382-5132750?v=glance&s=toys)

At first thought I'd imagine that the Obi-Wan starfighter would be the blue version he takes to Utupau, but considering there is an Anakin version as well that is a different sku than the current TRU exclusive, I'm thinking that these will be repacks of the existing vehicles.

Is all this really necessary?
Title: Re: More Jedi Starfighter Rehashes
Post by: Darth_Anton on May 25, 2005, 06:35 PM
Ughhhh!

No, it's not necessary. It's out of hand. I hope Obi-Wan's is at least Blue.
Title: Re: More Jedi Starfighter Rehashes
Post by: Gatillo on May 25, 2005, 08:06 PM
I didn't think that it was necessary to have out of the 1st 56 figures of ROTS (excluding deluxe figs):
2 R2-D2
2 Yodas
3 Anakins
3 Obi-Wans

but Hasbro always does this :-\
Title: Obi-Wan Starfighter Exclusive
Post by: Jim on May 26, 2005, 01:49 PM
TRU lists this as the next exclusive:

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B0009J8PZE/qid=1117129634/sr=1-

No sure if it will be a repaint or just the original ship with pilot figure. 
Title: Re: Obi-Wan Starfighter Exclusive
Post by: Gatillo on May 26, 2005, 02:11 PM
Is it too early to call it a pegwarmer?

Maybe, but I believe it is not too early to call it a waste of time/money. >:(
Title: Re: Obi-Wan Starfighter Exclusive
Post by: Famine on May 26, 2005, 02:20 PM
I want it to be that rounded ship. I liked that ship. Alot.

Kevin
Title: Re: More Jedi Starfighter Rehashes
Post by: SilverZ on May 26, 2005, 08:17 PM
I'm more afraid of them being window-boxed, like the current TRU exclusive, which would mean I'd be likley to buy them. And having two more repacked versions of ships I already own would be great. Really.

Kevin, are you talking about the Grievous ship? I'd like that one, but figure it's right up there on the priority list for Hasbro with the Sith Infiltrator.  >:(
Title: Re: More Jedi Starfighter Rehashes
Post by: DoctorPadawan on May 26, 2005, 08:28 PM
That would be really cool if it did turn out to be Obi-Wan with Grievous' ship and Anakin with that Jedi Airspeeder, but I'm with Jared in thinking this is probably not the case.

If there is yet another Anakin Starfighter, Hasbro will have successfully pissed people off by using the same tactic twice in less than four months.  First they release the Sneak Preview Anakin Starfighter in March, follow it up with the TRU Green Fighter (with Anakin) the very next month, and they're going to follow it up with ANOTHER version of the same fighter?

Unless the Anakin listing is a mistake or a price drop, TRU and Hasbro have shot themselves in the feet big-time. 
Title: Re: More Jedi Starfighter Rehashes
Post by: Pete_Fett on May 31, 2005, 12:02 PM
I'm hoping that the Anakin is an error and the only ship coming is a Blue Jedi Starfighter w/Obi-Wan figure similar to the Anakin Green Starfighter.

I really don't need another Green or Yellow starfighter at this point. I can LIVE with the Blue one only because having both a Green and Blue one gives two other Jedi Starfighters of their own - like Saesee Tinn and Shaak Ti (or whomever).

At this point, I'm surprised they aren't jumping on the fact that in the Clone Wars cartoon series, Mace Windu flew a purple one.
Title: Re: More Jedi Starfighter Rehashes
Post by: Famine on June 1, 2005, 11:55 AM
I'd like the one Anakin flew to save Chancelor Palpidious, if they'd make it.

Kevin
Title: Re: More Jedi Starfighter Rehashes
Post by: CHEWIE on June 1, 2005, 12:03 PM
I'd like that one too Famine.  It's a cool yet simple design.

 :P
Title: Re: More Jedi Starfighter Rehashes
Post by: Pete_Fett on June 1, 2005, 12:46 PM
You guys are talking about the Jedi Speeder - to me that could be done as a small-size vehicle.

Speaking of re-hashes, why haven't they kit bashed a Bail Organa figure head to a Saga Captain Typho body and packed him in with a red repaint of the Anakin speeder that came out for EP2. To me that seems like a no-brainer.
Title: Obi-Wan's Blue Jedi Starfighter
Post by: JesseVader08 on July 12, 2005, 05:37 PM
The blue Obi-Wan Jedi Starfighter has finally been pictured:

(http://www.jedidefender.com/news/images/7-05/ROTSObiFighter50.jpg)

It's been listed on Amazon.com (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B0009J8PZE/jedidefender-20/) for a while, but it doesn't specifially say it's an exclusive to TRU - but I'm assuming it will be.
Title: Re: Obi-Wan's Blue Jedi Starfighter
Post by: CHEWIE on July 12, 2005, 06:03 PM
I dunno... I just don't want this thing... it looks cool, but I'm really running out of room to put all these Jedi Starfighters (and running out of money).

If I ever see the original ones on a cheap clearance, I might buy them and repaint them...

 :P
Title: Re: Obi-Wan's Blue Jedi Starfighter
Post by: Rob on July 12, 2005, 10:30 PM
(http://www.jedidefender.com/news/images/7-05/ROTSObiFighter50.jpg)

...because 3 different versions of the same ship in a 3 month span is never enough...
Title: Re: Obi-Wan's Blue Jedi Starfighter
Post by: Jeff on July 12, 2005, 10:47 PM
because 3 different versions of the same ship in a 3 month span is never enough...

let's make the Purple Windu version from the Cartoon! 

And a nice Orange version for Saesee Tiin too!

Keep 'em coming, Hasbro!   ::)
Title: Re: Obi-Wan's Blue Jedi Starfighter
Post by: Nicklab on July 12, 2005, 10:54 PM


And a nice Orange version for Saesee Tiin too!

Keep 'em coming, Hasbro!   ::)

Only if we get him in that cool armor, too!  ;D
Title: Re: Obi-Wan's Blue Jedi Starfighter
Post by: DoctorPadawan on July 23, 2005, 10:42 AM
So Jared, since you found this at retail (you California guys get everything first  :P ) last night, could you answer a question I had about the Obi-Wan figure and R4-G9?

This goes on the assumption that you've opened it, but I was just wondering if:

1-Does the Obi-Wan figure come with a pilot headset like Anakin?  Even though the figure is kind of obsolete already with the Pilot Version supposedly hitting now, I'd at least like to have the one in the cockpit have a headset.

2-How is the paint job on R4-G9?  In the photos from the con it looked as if the dome wasn't too detailed, and I was curious if it was still the dull look or if it was the level of the regular carded figure.

(I do have to say though that as soon as I saw the report, the first thing that came to my mind was, "Great, another Star Wars toy that Amazon will take six months to ship!")
Title: Re: Obi-Wan's Blue Jedi Starfighter
Post by: Deanpaul on July 23, 2005, 01:31 PM
Great find Jared! Is the pack in figure the same as the Obi-Wan Pilot figure out now? Does it have a soft goods cape and head gear?
Title: Re: Obi-Wan's Blue Jedi Starfighter
Post by: SilverZ on July 24, 2005, 08:36 PM
I haven't opened it yet -- why, I don't know. At some point my priorities switched from ripping them open right away to keeping them boxed. But from the best I can tell through the package:

I can see the tray with the accessories in it just behind Obi, and it has the saber-attached hand and seperate saber hilt from the first ROTS Obi, plus a headset. Obi looks exactly the same as the original and Target cup versions. No robe to be seen.

The droid is not impressive, just a basic two color gold and silver paint, no better or worse really than any of the other cheapo 1/2 droid plugs they've used in the other fighters. It's also interesting that the packaging shows the original red R4 unit from the opening space battle.

What's funny is that the five dollar less pricepoint made all the difference in the world. I really resisted the TRU Anakin ship (and never got a second one to open) but felt no pain with this one.

I'm actually fine with the repaints on these, since they're all on-screen ships. It was that extra five bucks they snuck in on the Anakin ship that annoyed me.

EDIT: Alright, I opened it. I'm trapped in an Extended Stay hotel and bored out of my mind. Here's a bit of lameness... the sticker sheet is from Anakin's sneak preview fighter, so the blast marks all have yellow behind them to match the yellow hull, and the droid stickers are blue for R2-D2.  ::) Did this happen with the TRU Green Anakin fighter as well?
Title: Re: Obi-Wan's Blue Jedi Starfighter
Post by: TheBlackDog on July 24, 2005, 09:32 PM
Great find! I think I am going to stick with just the two I have, Anakin's (yes, my son wanted it so I was a sucker and got for the extra $5) and the red Obi Wan. I think the Obi Wan Pilot out is a much better figure from the pictures I've seen. Does the Obi Wan that comes with this fighter have articulation in the knees? 








Title: Re: Obi-Wan's Blue Jedi Starfighter
Post by: DoctorPadawan on July 24, 2005, 10:50 PM
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Here's a bit of lameness... the sticker sheet is from Anakin's sneak preview fighter, so the blast marks all have yellow behind them to match the yellow hull, and the droid stickers are blue for R2-D2.  Did this happen with the TRU Green Anakin fighter as well?

First of all, the stickers on my Anakin Starfighter were preapplied.  It just had the "basic" stickers though (no blast marks and no Republic on one of the nose things), so I don't know if they packed some in and mine just didn't have it, or if all of them were like that.

That sucks that they messed up like that though, since now R4 won't really have a body.  Hasbro's usually been pretty good about sending replacement parts/sticker sheets for current items (at least with me), so you might want to go to their website and email them.

Thanks for the heads up on the figure though, and I hope that things get less boring there at the hotel. :)
Title: Re: Obi-Wan's Blue Jedi Starfighter
Post by: Deanpaul on July 25, 2005, 11:59 AM
Great find Jared! Is the pack in figure the same as the Obi-Wan Pilot figure out now? Does it have a soft goods cape and head gear?

I haven't been paying attenting to the upcoming figures - I thought the carded pilot Obi had a cloth cape, not a plastic one.

I think I'll buy the pilot and ship individually.
Title: Re: Obi-Wan's Blue Jedi Starfighter
Post by: TheBlackDog on July 25, 2005, 11:55 PM
Great find Jared! Is the pack in figure the same as the Obi-Wan Pilot figure out now? Does it have a soft goods cape and head gear?

I haven't been paying attenting to the upcoming figures - I thought the carded pilot Obi had a cloth cape, not a plastic one.

You can always do what I did DP. I put an Ep. I Jedi Clock on Obi from the accessory packs that came out with Ep. I.
Title: Re: Obi-Wan's Blue Jedi Starfighter
Post by: Deanpaul on July 26, 2005, 08:19 AM
I got two of those sets when they were out TBD - Mace is using one of the cloaks and I forget where the other one went, maybe AOTC Aayla?

The extra lightsabers have been nice to have around. My kids are too little for the two piece versions and seem to break the little peg off just carrying them around. We've added the accessory set extras in and there are enough for everyone, and I dont mind when I find one on the floor bent at a 90 degree angle.

I really need to keep my eyes open for more "extra" sabers. I'm sure the ones we have now won't last forever.
Title: Re: Obi-Wan's Blue Jedi Starfighter
Post by: DoctorPadawan on July 29, 2005, 10:34 AM
Well, this is showing as "In Stock: Ships In 24 Hours" at Amazon right now, for whatever it's worth.

Just for ***** and giggles, I checked the status of my order that I placed around the first of this month.

"Expected Ship Date: September 6, 2005.  Expected arrival date: September 9, 2005-September 12, 2005."   ::)

If I was a rich man, I would place another order for it just to see which one would ship first.   :)

EDITING FOR UPDATE:  I figured that, given Amazon's slowness lately in terms of status updates, I should have enough time to place a second order for the now in stock JSF, and be able to cancel the previous order I placed earlier this month in plenty of time.  And what do you know, I was right.

My order, placed today, about ten minutes ago, is supposedly going to ship on August 1st, 2005.

My preorder, now cancelled, placed on July 3rd, 26 days ago, was still listed as shipping on September 6, 2005, over a month from now.

So, now we have proof that preorders don't mean **** at Amazon/TRU these days (at least in my case).  Just wanted to give all you folks that preordered the Clone Evolutions set a heads-up in case this type of thing happened again.   :-\
Title: Re: Obi-Wan's Blue Jedi Starfighter
Post by: DoctorPadawan on July 31, 2005, 04:57 PM
Just to add some further humor to this situation, I've been without net access since I made the previous post in this thread, and when I checked my email just now, I had already received a shipment notification email from Amazon for the second order I placed on Friday.

It'd be funny if it didn't seem like such a bad omen.  :) :-\
Title: Re: Obi-Wan's Blue Jedi Starfighter
Post by: Jim on August 1, 2005, 10:51 AM
Amazon is messed up on shipping.  I placed my order yesterday and it is shipping today.  Already have the Track #.
Title: Re: Obi-Wan's Blue Jedi Starfighter
Post by: SpudTrooper on August 1, 2005, 05:40 PM
Finally saw this at TRU and it looked horrible. Too plain and too white. if they made the white part silver or grey like the maroon one, i rather even consider getting it.
Title: Re: Obi-Wan's Blue Jedi Starfighter
Post by: Nicklab on August 2, 2005, 01:24 AM
I'm quoting my comments from elsewhere with this post, but I feel like this summed up my thoughts on this vehicle:

Here's a bit of a surprise.  Having had something of a hard time getting the TRU exclusive green Anakin Skywalker Jedi Starfighter, I decided I would snatch up the blue Obi-Wan Kenobi TRU exclusive Jedi Starfighter as soon as I saw one at retail.  Sure enough this morning I found one.

Thing is, there was something of a surprise.  The first time I saw the green Anakin fighter I took note of one thing in particular.  All of the stickers were applied at the factory and you could see them all on the vehicle because of the window box.  Fast forward to today and I see the Obi-Wan fighter.  Guess what?  No pre-applied stickers!

Frankly, I was very happy and almost relieved when I saw the pre-applied stickers on the Anakin fighter.  It was so difficult to get the stickers on the Assault Vehicle assortment Anakin and Obi-Wan fighters that the ones in the cockpit didn't look so great when I got done.  I was hoping Hasbro would extend the same luxury to us on this ship as well.  I'm wondering now why Hasbro opted not to put them on Obi-Wan's fighter.  It just seems kind of arbitrary.

Another thing:  the price.  I got the Anakin fighter for $29.99 less than a month ago.  today I bought the Obi-Wan fighter and it was $24.99.  Is anyone finding this lack of consistency a little weird, or is it just me?
Title: Re: Obi-Wan's Blue Jedi Starfighter
Post by: DoctorPadawan on August 2, 2005, 05:20 PM
I actually got my Obi-Wan JSF today from Amazon.com, thus bringing this whole preorder confusion to a conclusion.  The item itself is pretty cool, but then again, I really like the design of the ROTS JSFs, so I'm pretty biased.  However, as seems to be the recurring theme in my life lately, things still managed to be a bit irritating.

First of all, and most important to everyone here, like Jared, my JSF also included the label sheet for the mass market Anakin JSF (the yellow/gray one) instead of the proper colors.  I've already emailed Hasbro about this, so I'll keep everyone updated on what they say about it.  Most of the "set" labels would be okay, but the "kills" stickers would look ridiculous (what with the yellow clashing with the blue; these are the ones along the lines of tally-marks for Tri-Fighters and so on), and the droid sticker (which is for R2-D2) wouldn't look right with R4-G9's gold and silver head sticking out of a blue body.

Secondly, and this is just me, Hasbro apparently didn't do a good job of lining up the top and bottom halves of the ship all that well in the assembly process, because the left wing was so warped from being set wrong that the missle woudn't fire, there was a small gap between the body halves that could not be fixed, and when the wings would open, they were kind of "floppy" if you get my drift.  Amazon was extremely cool (as their customer service always is) and gave me a prepaid shipping label to send it back to them, as well as shipped a replacement out to me within an hour of talking to them, and it will arrive Thursday.  Hooray for going that extra mile, Amazon, and kudos!

And to close, Nick I'm right there with you on the cockpit stickers.  Even though I think my hands are a normal size, it's still really hard to get the stickers in some of the cockpits, especially those long ones that are supposed to go on either side of the seat and up the walls.  Even using tweezers to put them in doesn't seem to work that well.  My SP Anakin fighter doesn't have those two tall stickers in the cockpit at all, and I don't know how I managed to get Obi-Wan's in there. 

Nothing in sticker hell can compare, however, to putting the wallpaper up straight in the Naboo Royal Starship from the Episode I line.  I still have nightmares about that ordeal.
Title: Re: Obi-Wan's Blue Jedi Starfighter
Post by: Jayson on August 4, 2005, 01:27 PM
I picked up the vehicle today and noticed that on the back of the box shows the red Astro droid. but the pack-in droid is actually gold. I guess the photoshop guys in the packaging dept at the Big H. missed that, which is par for the course for them.
Title: Re: Obi-Wan's Blue Jedi Starfighter
Post by: Pete_Fett on August 4, 2005, 02:05 PM
DP - definitely keep us apprised of what you find out from Hasbro. I think ALL of the TRU Exclusive Blue Jedi Starfighter w/Obi-Wan sets come with the sticker sheet from the Anakin regular release Jedi Starfighter.

I didn't apply on mine the kill sticker or any of the additional "damage/wear" stickers.

I did put the emblem for Obi-Wan's Open-Circle fleet on as well as the Republic/Empire logo.

Just so the R4 droid had SOMETHING on him, I went ahead and applied the R2 stickers, but I'm hoping that we'll be able to ask Hasbro to send us replacement sheets and I can just remove those stickers and apply the new ones.

If I was an exec at TRU and I found out about this, I'd be pissed that an exclusive we were offering wasn't 100% perfect.

The thing I find weird is that the stickers for the TRU Green Anakin fighter came with the stickers pre-applied. I wonder why they DIDN'T do this for this vehicle? Typically a retailer exclusive vehicle in a window-box will have all decals applied.
Title: Re: Obi-Wan's Blue Jedi Starfighter
Post by: DoctorPadawan on August 4, 2005, 03:03 PM
The UPS man just brought me the "replacement" JSF, and this one had no assembly problems, so I can now say I actually have it.  Kudos to Amazon for doing an extremely quick turnaround on the replacement and for taking the defective one back.  Even though they'll never read this, it goes to prove that despite their stock status and preorder system being so bad, their customer service is still the best in the online etailer world.

And to (kind of) contradict that, I still haven't heard a peep from Hasbro about the JSF label issue that I emailed them about on Tuesday.  I ended up applying all the interior cockpit labels (and I got them in there straight!  Yay me!) and the Open Circle logos, but I held off on the R4/R2 stickers for now.  He looks a little silly sitting there all naked, but I'd rather have him naked and incomplete than dressed and not color coordinated.

(If that thread in Watto's about quoting your fellow posters out of context is still there, that last sentence needs to be archived)  :D

But anyway, no word from Hasbro yet.  The thing that makes me think they won't do anything about it (aside from it, you know, requiring them to put forth actual effort) is the old "Product colors may vary" tagline on the back of the box.  In my email, I pointed out to them that the tagline should not apply as while the ship is fine, if applied, the labels would make it appear to be even junkier and slapped together than the "used future" that SW ships have already.  Who knows if they'll respond since, you know, they would have to admit they made a mistake before they corrected it, and we all know how good they are about admitting mistakes. 
Title: Re: Obi-Wan's Blue Jedi Starfighter
Post by: DoctorPadawan on August 4, 2005, 05:38 PM
Well, it looks like we're all ******.  I just got this reply from Hasbro Consumer Affairs regarding the Anakin sticker sheets in the Obi-Wan fighter:

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Thank you for taking the time to contact us.

The product you refer to is a store exclusive. Because an exclusive product is manufactured for a particular retailer, we are not allowed to sell it through any other outlet, including direct sales to the consumer from the manufacturer. We are also unable to obtain any replacement parts.

Since your satisfaction is extremely important to us, we will be pleased to arrange an exchange for you for an alternative product of similar value.

We will send, to the address you provided, a postage paid mailing label to cover the cost of returning the product to us.

We hope this resolution is satisfactory. Please do not hesitate to contact us if we can provide further assistance.

So, in other words, "We make the toy, but since it was made specifically for Toys R Us, it's not our responsibility, even though we were the ones who screwed up."   ::)

Once again, Hasbro blames retail for their own stupidity.

I'm trying to find out contact information for Toys R Us right now so I can discuss this matter with them.  More to come.
Title: Re: Obi-Wan's Blue Jedi Starfighter
Post by: DoctorPadawan on August 4, 2005, 05:54 PM
And now, ladies and gentlemen, my email I just sent to Hasbro.  Due to the endless calls from these idiots at Marketlink for the last week (thanks Cable Company!), I was already in a foul mood, but I think I kept it more or less civil.

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With all due respect, I do not understand how a toy made by Hasbro can be "out of your hands."  I am well aware of the rules and regulations that surround retailer exclusives, however the inclusion of another item's sticker sheet is not the fault of the retailer, but the fault of the manufacturer.  Given that this is a widespread problem (I have yet to hear from anyone who has gotten the correct sticker sheet with the item), I am hoping you will reconsider making these replacement label sheets available to not only myself, but to the many others who will be buying this product and finding disappointment awaiting them as they seek to add detail to the item.

I will be contacting Toys R Us Corporate to speak with them about this matter, as Hasbro seems to feel that they should not take responsibility for their manufacturing mistakes and instead blame a retailer for not somehow knowing exactly what is in a sealed bag that is not visible inside the toy box.

EDITED FOR TRU STORY:

So, I contacted TRU to ask them about the problem.  Bless the guy I talked to for putting up with my rambling incoherence, but his response was exactly what I had been expecting to hear when I found the phone number.  Basically, whether it is an exclusive item or not, he said that if a product has a manufacturing defect or problem, the manufacturer is responsible for the product if the defect is out of the retailer's control.  He suggested that I contact Hasbro again and restate the problem, but that TRU's responsibility is for the sale of the product (and all that entails, like returns, exchanges, etc) and not for manufacturing flaws.  A very nice young man and he was patient with me, so thumbs up to him.

So, now I'm at a point where I (and you) will probably not be getting the proper and appropriate sticker sheet for this toy, because Hasbro is sticking to its traditional "It's Never Our Fault; Blame Everyone Else" mantra.  At this point, unless they get deluged with complaints about the label sheet mistake, I don't think they'll even address it or care about it.   :-[
Title: Re: Obi-Wan's Blue Jedi Starfighter
Post by: SilverZ on August 4, 2005, 11:39 PM
Glad you're valiant enough to go through that hell. It's the cheapest thing in the world that they've done with that sticker sheet, and they should be ashamed. Tacky.

I'm considering PS'ing a new sticker sheet by scanning the existing sheet and knocking around the colors. Unfortunately, I just put my scanner in storage today. Anyone have the sheet and can scan it, or know of a place that already has it done?
Title: Re: Obi-Wan's Blue Jedi Starfighter
Post by: DoctorPadawan on August 5, 2005, 10:33 AM
Jared, I don't have a scanner, but I'd be more than happy to mail you the "remains" of the sticker sheet (with the "kill marks" and the droid body front/back still on it), if it would be helpful.  All I ask is a hookup on the finished, correctly-colored sticker sheet since my printer sucks. :)

As for being valiant, it wasn't so much that as it was "sick up and fed" of Hasbro half-assing everything that they're doing for the rest of the year, post-56.  Between the horrible shipping, the equally horrible situation at retail, and their lack of interest or concern in rectifying either situation, I was more than motivated to go through the experience.

I'm actually wondering how long it is until Hasbro says that TRU requested the Anakin sticker sheet to be included with Obi-Wan's JSF when their "We can't violate the retailer exclusive" excuse runs dry.   ::)
Title: Re: Obi-Wan's Blue Jedi Starfighter
Post by: DoctorPadawan on August 8, 2005, 09:33 PM
Sorry to commit thread necromancy with useless information, but I was just looking at the four JSFs (Anakin SP, Obi-Wan, Anakin TRU, and Obi-Wan TRU) all lined up alongside each other and I noticed something really unusual about the TRU version as compared to the other three.  It's really difficult to describe it without pictures, but I will do my best.

Both of the mass market Anakin and Obi-Wan fighters have unique paint schemes and the battle damage (the black marks that cover the ship to simulate wear and tear) are also unique to each of the fighters.  Even Anakin's headrest in the cockpit differs from Obi-Wan's in a significant way.  The point I'm making here is that while they are still essentially repaints of one another's ships, the mass market ships are completely repainted.

The TRU Anakin JSF, obviously, is recast and repainted in new colors, and the headrest in the cockpit is different (this time being the one from the Obi-Wan mass market JSF).  The thing that is interesting (and that has already been pointed out by Nicklab earlier in this thread) is that the stickers for this JSF exclusive were preapplied for the window box presentation.  Also interesting (and this will have a bearing on the Obi-Wan JSF exclusive in a moment) is the fact that the battle damage on the TRU Anakin JSF is completely different from the battle damage detailing on the mass market Anakin and Obi-Wan JSFs.  So, while it is a repaint, it is just as unique as the two mass market JSFs as it regards detailing.

Which brings me to the TRU Obi-Wan JSF exclusive.  Now, we all know that the sticker sheet included is totally incorrect and Hasbro is attempting to sidestep the issue (if you aren't aware of this, go up a few posts and read my previous whining on the subject).  It's been suggested that Hasbro is being cheap by including the mass market AJSF sticker sheet with this toy, but it appears that the cheapness goes far beyond even that.

First of all, no recasting appears to have been done, and they simply used the TRU AJSF white body to create this one, which I have no problem with.  Base color, reuse it when you can, no big deal.  The problem however is that Hasbro has reused the exact same battle damage template for the TRU OWJSF as they did on the mass market Anakin JSF.  So, not only does it have the sticker sheet from that toy, it also sports the same paint applications and detailing of the MM AJSF.  The only point where the layout of the design differs is in the wing panels, which are the exact same template as the mass market OWJSF.  So, if it weren't for the R4-G9 head on this ship, Hasbro made no sculpting or detailing changes to the toy whatsoever.  All they did was switch yellow/gray to blue/white, slap a new droid head on the astromech body, and be done with it.

I'm beginning to wonder if this ship wasn't literally slapped together at the 11th hour when Hasbro finally saw the film.  The Mustafar/Green fighter of Anakin's is actually in production photos in various publications, but I have yet to see one close up photo of the Utapau fighter anywhere (the only one that ever comes up is the POV of the MagnaGuard when Obi-Wan lands).  With Hasbro including the wrong sticker sheet, the wrong droid appearing in the droid socket on the box, and the rather telling reuse of previously employed paint application templates, the lower price as compared to the TRU Anakin fighter is beginning to become a little clearer.
Title: Re: Obi-Wan's Blue Jedi Starfighter
Post by: proudfather2 on August 16, 2005, 07:10 PM
Thanks for the great observations and information DoctorPadawan! I knew very little of that, and I have all four ships as well. I guess I'll have to air brush some more 'damage' onto one of the vehicles that have utilized the same battle-damage paint template. Still haven't come up with a good solution for the R4 stickers. The rest of the vehicle stickers I will exacto and make-do.
Title: Re: Obi-Wan's Blue Jedi Starfighter
Post by: Jesse James on August 19, 2005, 06:30 AM
Dr. P (or anyone), can you do me a favor and take some measurements of the JSF for me?  Any of them would be fine of course.

Wing-tip to Wing-tip, nose to tail, and if you can get a "height" measurement I'd appreciate it but it'd be a bit more difficult to get accurately I know.

Thanks!
Title: Re: Obi-Wan's Blue Jedi Starfighter
Post by: DoctorPadawan on August 19, 2005, 09:33 AM
Wingspan: 10.5 inches (measured across top of ship); 10.25 inches (measured across bottom of ship)

Length of ship:  12.5 inches (from tip of the guns on nose to the end of the engines on the back)

Height: 4.1 inches (with landing gear extended)

Any other measurements you need, Jesse? :)
Title: Re: Obi-Wan's Blue Jedi Starfighter
Post by: Darth_Anton on August 19, 2005, 10:46 AM

Another thing:  the price.  I got the Anakin fighter for $29.99 less than a month ago.  today I bought the Obi-Wan fighter and it was $24.99.  Is anyone finding this lack of consistency a little weird, or is it just me?

This isn't weird, it's annoying. I just goes to show that price is not actually based in realtion to cost.
Title: Re: Obi-Wan's Blue Jedi Starfighter
Post by: Rob on August 24, 2005, 12:46 PM
How about this for even more inconsistent....

I bought Anakin's for 29.99 back when it came out.

Then my friend bought the Blue Obi-Wan one for $24.99 when it first hit shelves.

Then last night I found a blue obi-wan starfighter and bought it, and it rang up for $29.99

What's the deal?!
Title: Re: Obi-Wan's Blue Jedi Starfighter
Post by: Pete_Fett on August 31, 2005, 06:55 AM
Ok - well I had taken the time to post a complaint to the Hasbro website. I first got an e-mail telling me that they would be happy to send the corrected label sheet. Then yesterday in the mail I received a letter stating that the part I was looking for was unavailable and I would not be receiving a new label sheet afterall.

So basically Hasbro purposefully put the WRONG label sheet with these fighters and has NO INTENTION of providing correct ones.

Nice.
Title: Re: Obi-Wan's Blue Jedi Starfighter
Post by: DoctorPadawan on August 31, 2005, 10:14 AM
Hasbro's motto, circa 1995-2000:   "We Really Do Care!"

Hasbro's motto, circa 2001-present:  "**** You, Pay Me"

(Thank you, Martin Scorsese and Ray Liotta) :)

I don't think they inserted the wrong sticker sheet purposely, Pete, but I do think that they're being irresponsible by not correcting their mistake.  As I said earlier in the thread, when I asked them why, they gave me some half-hearted excuse about it being a retailer exclusive and they couldn't do anything about replacement parts, but when called on that, they clammed up completely. 

I guess they're too busy cranking out Sewage Treatment Clone Troopers to care.   :-\
Title: Re: Obi-Wan's Blue Jedi Starfighter
Post by: Tijuanajedi on September 18, 2005, 01:11 AM
I got my ship today and have not opened it, does anyone have a scan of the incorrect stickers that come with it?
Title: Re: Obi-Wan's Blue Jedi Starfighter
Post by: JediMAC on September 19, 2005, 06:08 AM
Forgive me if this got covered earlier in the thread, but did the price on these things go UP to $29.99 recently?!?  I just picked one up for JesseVader08, and it rang up for the $30 price, which I thought seemed a bit odd, since I remembered this being cheaper than Anakin's version.  So when I got home, I checked out my receipt for the two Obi Fighters I got a couple months ago, and sure enough, mine were only the usual $25 a piece (different store though).

I'm kinda pissed now, since I was pretty sure the $25 was the price across the board on these things everywhere.  Has anyone else had to pay $30 like I just did?

Anthony, if you read this, did you get yours at the Sherman Way TRU by your house, and if so, what'd they run you, if you remember?  That's where I got Jesse's 2 days ago...  :-\
Title: Re: Obi-Wan's Blue Jedi Starfighter
Post by: Gatillo on September 19, 2005, 09:01 AM
The Anakin one was 30 but the Obi-Wan one has been 25 since they came out, at least around me.

That is odd, maybe TRU noticed their mistake.
Title: Re: Obi-Wan's Blue Jedi Starfighter
Post by: DoctorPadawan on September 19, 2005, 09:14 AM
I got my ship today and have not opened it, does anyone have a scan of the incorrect stickers that come with it?

TJ, the sticker sheet that came with it is the same one that came with the mass-market Anakin Jedi Starfighter (the yellow version), so if JD's stellar photo archive doesn't have a scan, I'm sure one of the other sites online should have a scan of it.

Forgive me if this got covered earlier in the thread, but did the price on these things go UP to $29.99 recently?!?

Yeah, they went up to 30 not too long after they hit, Matt.  I'd say they were 25 for roughly a month, and then all of a sudden they went to 30.  The 30 for the Mustafar JSF didn't bother me, since it looked like actual work when into it, but 30 for the Utapau JSF is really pushing it, considering all the corners that were cut.
Title: Re: Obi-Wan's Blue Jedi Starfighter
Post by: Rob on September 19, 2005, 11:19 AM
Forgive me if this got covered earlier in the thread, but did the price on these things go UP to $29.99 recently?!?  I just picked one up for JesseVader08, and it rang up for the $30 price, which I thought seemed a bit odd, since I remembered this being cheaper than Anakin's version.  So when I got home, I checked out my receipt for the two Obi Fighters I got a couple months ago, and sure enough, mine were only the usual $25 a piece (different store though).

I'm kinda pissed now, since I was pretty sure the $25 was the price across the board on these things everywhere.  Has anyone else had to pay $30 like I just did?

Anthony, if you read this, did you get yours at the Sherman Way TRU by your house, and if so, what'd they run you, if you remember?  That's where I got Jesse's 2 days ago...  :-\

I asked the same question on the last page - my friend got his for $24.99 and when I bought mine more recently it rang up $29.99

Early bird gets the worm I guess...
Title: Re: Obi-Wan's Blue Jedi Starfighter
Post by: Tijuanajedi on September 21, 2005, 03:31 PM
Thanks Dr, I will check JD's database.
Title: Re: Obi-Wan's Blue Jedi Starfighter
Post by: DoctorPadawan on September 21, 2005, 04:22 PM
The Saga Continues...:)

I just got off the phone with a Hasbro CS rep to check on the status of my correct label sheet request.  She said that the labels were not in stock right now, but that they were waiting on a shipment to arrive and that she could put my label sheet request on backorder.  Now, whether or not this is for the actual blue/white Starfighter sheet we should have gotten to begin with, or if it's going to be another Hasbro bungle resulting in a lot of us getting label sheets for the mass market Obi-Wan JSF, I don't know, but I just thought I'd pass that information along.
Title: Re: Obi-Wan's Blue Jedi Starfighter
Post by: JediMAC on September 21, 2005, 04:33 PM
Thanks for the info guys.  I had no idea they bumped it up $5 not long after release.  Glad I got mine early then, but bummed Jesse's stuck with the $30 tag though...  Sorry I missed Rob's identical question on this on the prior page.  Yes, I'm a lazy bastard.

Speaking of which, I haven't followed Michael's sticker Saga for a little while now.  Is there any proof of corrected stickers being included in the later ships that came out, or is this still just a hopeful pipe dream that they've got some corrected ones sitting around somewhere...?  If there's corrected ones in the newer ships, then I'll likely buy another, and return one of my earlier purchased ones.
Title: Re: Obi-Wan's Blue Jedi Starfighter
Post by: DoctorPadawan on September 21, 2005, 07:37 PM
Speaking of which, I haven't followed Michael's sticker Saga for a little while now. Is there any proof of corrected stickers being included in the later ships that came out, or is this still just a hopeful pipe dream that they've got some corrected ones sitting around somewhere...?

Well, as yet I haven't been able to tell if Hasbro is even going to admit there is a problem that needs correcting.  They've known about this since the item's release (Jared was the first person to bring it up, and as far as I can tell, he was the first person-at least here-to find it and open it), they've had many complaints and requests for corrected label sheets, and they have yet to even address it on their website like they did with the recent Clone 3 pack color scheme update.

As for everyone else, I've yet to read of anyone opening the toy up and finding the correct blue sticker sheet.  I applied what I could to mine, but R4's still nekkid and the Republic logo looks ridiculous in that deep gray color against a solid white background.  Hasbro needs to address this soon, as there is no excuse for putting out a ****** product and then not addressing valid complaints from customers who overpaid for it in the first place.   >:(

(And yes, this whole label sheet snafu is probably my current winner for "Biggest Anger Inducing Move of the Year.")
Title: Re: Obi-Wan's Blue Jedi Starfighter
Post by: JesseVader08 on September 21, 2005, 11:36 PM
Well, DP, I think you deserve the award for "Most Stubborn Fan With A Legitimate Complaint Who May Actually Get Results For All Of His Hard Work."   8)
Title: Re: Obi-Wan's Blue Jedi Starfighter
Post by: DoctorPadawan on September 24, 2005, 07:11 PM
Well, DP, I think you deserve the award for "Most Stubborn Fan With A Legitimate Complaint Who May Actually Get Results For All Of His Hard Work."   8)

Nah, I'm just doing it to help myself and everyone else out.  If my bugging Hasbro gets them to send everyone who overpaid for this ship the correct stickers, then that's all I would like to see happen. 

And on a completely unrelated note, inspired by Jared's photo of said figure in said cockpit in the archives here, I picked up both Obi-Wan Pilot figures a local WM had yesterday to act as pilot for both Obi-Wan JSFs (Red and Blue).  The figure fits perfectly in the cockpit (the recesses to the left and right of the seat fit the arms like a glove!) and he looks incredible behind the controls.  Needless to say, the rather useless and awkward pack-in Obi-Wan was thrown into a box and will be given away to someone in the near future, because the Pilot Obi-Wan figure, while great on its own, looks incredible in the seat.

Now all I need is the correct label sheet.  NO MORE NAKED R4-G9 DAMMIT!   >:(
Title: Re: Obi-Wan's Blue Jedi Starfighter
Post by: JesseVader08 on October 7, 2005, 10:37 PM
Thanks to California Matt, this ship showed up at the post office for me today.  It looks great!

I really like it when they window-box ships, and it sure would have been nice if all of the Jedi Starfighters had been windowboxed to really show off the 4 different colors.  It looks so good, I'm having a hard time opening it.   ;)
Title: Re: Obi-Wan's Blue Jedi Starfighter
Post by: MetalJedi on October 13, 2005, 11:20 PM
Obi Wan Blue Starfighter (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B0009J8PZE/jedidefend-20/104-2409522-6855917)

For those who have yet to buy it. Comes with Free shipping.
Title: Re: Obi-Wan's Blue Jedi Starfighter
Post by: Jeff on October 13, 2005, 11:24 PM
Obi Wan Blue Starfighter (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B0009J8PZE/jedidefend-20/104-2409522-6855917)

For those who have yet to buy it. Comes with Free shipping.

Wow, for $20 and free shipping, that's pretty tempting.  Of course, then I'd have to go back and track down the Anakin version...  :-[
Title: Re: Obi-Wan's Blue Jedi Starfighter
Post by: MetalJedi on October 13, 2005, 11:44 PM
I was hoping they would of had one of those better together things with the Anakin Green Starfighter. I never saw that at TRU.
Title: Re: Obi-Wan's Blue Jedi Starfighter
Post by: DoctorPadawan on October 15, 2005, 09:28 PM
Galactic Hunter (http://www.galactichunter.com) is reporting that at least one person has gotten a replacement label sheet (with a confirmation scan) for the Obi-Wan JSF. 

I think it's great that Hasbro is finally doing something about this, and I'm really hoping that I find the replacement label sheet I inquired about about two months ago in my mailbox before I move.  I'm also curious if the correct label sheets are showing up in the newer Obi-Wan JSFs or if this is another one of those "if you don't ask, you don't get it" deals.

And yes, once I have my correct label sheet in my hands and subsequently apply them to the ship, I'll stop my bitching.  :P
Title: Re: Obi-Wan's Blue Jedi Starfighter
Post by: JesseVader08 on October 16, 2005, 03:17 AM
Thanks for the heads up, DP!  Over at GH, they mentioned you had to go to Hasbro's site and fill out a form to request the correct stickers.  Has anyone had any luck actually finding that form?  I searched Hasbro's site for quite a while...  :-\
Title: Re: Obi-Wan's Blue Jedi Starfighter
Post by: DoctorPadawan on October 16, 2005, 01:16 PM
Jesse, I checked high and low and the only thing I found as far as a form goes is in their customer service section.  You can go to "Missing Parts" or something and use a pull-down menu to purchase replacement parts for several toys (this might be useful for some of you customizers), but there is no listing for the Obi-Wan JSF anywhere on it.

In the FAQ section, there is an entry for the Obi-Wan JSF in the second pull-down menu under "Star Wars" but when I attempted to select it, the screen it brough up said "0 Entries Found."  So who knows what they're doing or not doing.

I ended up sending an email to them making yet another request for a replacement label sheet, supplying a link to the GH article and photo in the process, but who knows if that will do any good.  I just hope that everyone is able to get their sheet and put this whole mess behind us.
Title: Re: Obi-Wan's Blue Jedi Starfighter
Post by: JesseVader08 on October 16, 2005, 01:23 PM
I ended up sending an email to them making yet another request for a replacement label sheet, supplying a link to the GH article and photo in the process, but who knows if that will do any good.  I just hope that everyone is able to get their sheet and put this whole mess behind us.

Well, it's worth a shot.  I just got my hands on this ship (still haven't actually opened it yet), so it would certainly be nice to have the correct stickers for when I do open it.  That's a great idea sending a link to the pic at GH.

...edit:  Here's my e-mail to them:

"I recently purchased the Star Wars Toys R Us Exclusive Blue Obi-Wan Kenobi's Jedi Starfighter.  I noticed that the included decals are not blue to match this ship.  However, www.GalacticHunter.com recently posted a news article stating that we could request a new decal sheet as shown on this web page: http://www.galactichunter.com/absolutenm/templates/full_article_template_1.asp?articleid=5007&zoneid=2

Please send a decal sheet to my address:
Jesse Wall
xxxx
xxxx
xxxx
Canada [we'll see if this is a problem]

Thanks in advance!
Jesse Wall"
Title: Re: Obi-Wan's Blue Jedi Starfighter
Post by: MetalJedi on October 16, 2005, 04:50 PM
I'll be getting my Obi Wan JSK on Tuesday Im hpng they've changed the sticker sheet but most likely I'll have to go the same route as everyone else.
Title: Re: Obi-Wan's Blue Jedi Starfighter
Post by: DoctorPadawan on October 17, 2005, 09:51 AM
Just received the follow-up email (very fast) from Hasbro CS.  Basically, the email looks to be a form letter (why they called me "Neal" in the text of the email but my proper name in the salutation I don't know, but anywa) and it says that they apologize for any inconvenience the incorrect label sheet may have caused and that they will ship a sheet to me free of charge as quickly as possible.

So check your email boxes folks, as it appears that something is finally going to be done about this mess.  And if someone has trouble getting the CS to answer through email, Hasbro Consumer Affairs' toll free number is 1-800-327-8264.  :)
Title: Re: Obi-Wan's Blue Jedi Starfighter
Post by: DoctorPadawan on October 17, 2005, 08:59 PM
And speaking of Hasbro's 800 number...

Earlier today, I decided to call HCA and ask what the status was on the OWJSF label sheet I had requested through them.  They told me that the replacement label sheet had been mailed on October 13 and that I should receive it in 7-10 business days.

Late this afternoon (four days later), I opened my mailbox and found the replacement label sheet waiting on me.  The labels (which are a bit glossier than the ones with the open stock Anakin and Obi-Wan JSFs) are now applied to the ship, and R4-G9 is no longer a candidate for Penthouse Droid of the Year.

I will now stop my bitching.  :)
Title: Re: Obi-Wan's Blue Jedi Starfighter
Post by: MetalJedi on November 6, 2005, 07:28 PM
Ok, I finally got around to opening my OBJSF and it has the Anakin SF stickers. Without having to go back and find it cause Im lazy, what is the email address for Hasbro CS so I can get the correct label sheet?
Title: Re: Obi-Wan's Blue Jedi Starfighter
Post by: Bobafett77 on November 7, 2005, 04:56 PM
Ok, I finally got around to opening my OBJSF and it has the Anakin SF stickers. Without having to go back and find it cause Im lazy, what is the email address for Hasbro CS so I can get the correct label sheet?

I'm in need of this myself.
Title: Re: Obi-Wan's Blue Jedi Starfighter
Post by: Jayson on November 7, 2005, 05:00 PM
Go here…

http://hasbro.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/hasbro.cfg/php/enduser/std_alp.php?p_sid=TwUff*
Title: Re: Obi-Wan's Blue Jedi Starfighter
Post by: MetalJedi on November 7, 2005, 09:44 PM
Thank you
Title: Re: Obi-Wan's Blue Jedi Starfighter
Post by: TheBlackDog65 on November 7, 2005, 11:19 PM
I filled out the missing parts and I got my stickers in less then a week! I have to say that Hasbro came through on this after messing it up so I have to give them kudos on that at least.
I got one so I could get the holo emperor and mainly because my son wanted it. It looks awesome with a Pilot Obi Wan in there!
Title: Re: Obi-Wan's Blue Jedi Starfighter
Post by: darth punkinhed on November 9, 2005, 06:57 PM
So, long story short, I got one of these and have experienced the same situation as everyone else with the same solutions. My question is, has anyone had any luck fitting an R2 unit in the droid cavity? The label application instruction sheet says that most R2 units will fit in the cavity but since I don't have a ROTS version open my POTF2 version doesn't fit and my new early bird one doesn't either. My vintage one does but it just doesn't look right. Anyone have any luck with this?
Title: Re: Obi-Wan's Blue Jedi Starfighter
Post by: Gatillo on November 9, 2005, 08:37 PM
They don't really fit in all the way and they easily fall out.  I would not say they fit, it is more like they can go in there.
Title: Re: Obi-Wan's Blue Jedi Starfighter
Post by: Bobafett77 on November 10, 2005, 10:34 AM
Go here…

http://hasbro.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/hasbro.cfg/php/enduser/std_alp.php?p_sid=TwUff*

I filled out the form last night so hopefully it works out. Thanks for the tip!
Title: Re: Obi-Wan's Blue Jedi Starfighter
Post by: MetalJedi on November 10, 2005, 09:14 PM
I filled out the form and got a email saying they have mailed the sticker sheet to me. Hopefully I get it soon.
Title: Re: Obi-Wan's Blue Jedi Starfighter
Post by: Bobafett77 on November 10, 2005, 11:03 PM
Received the same email today too. Can't wait to put that sucker together! ;D
Title: Re: Obi-Wan's Blue Jedi Starfighter
Post by: MetalJedi on November 20, 2005, 02:42 PM
Got my sticker sheet yesterday. Does anyone have a scan of the instructions cause like a dumbass I threw mine away.  >:(
Title: Re: Obi-Wan's Blue Jedi Starfighter
Post by: CloneF13Y35 on December 23, 2005, 12:30 AM
Is anyone still seeing any of these at their TRU?
2 weeks ago when I last saw some at TRU my son didn't say he definatly wanted one - now he does but the local TRU is sold out. I have a couple ebay watches going but I don't want to pay too much more than retail (plus shipping of course).
Title: Re: Obi-Wan's Blue Jedi Starfighter
Post by: Gatillo on December 23, 2005, 10:27 AM
Have not seem it in weeks, maybe months
Title: Re: Obi-Wan's Blue Jedi Starfighter
Post by: TheBlackDog65 on December 26, 2005, 04:34 AM
Seen the others, but not the Blue anymore.