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Title: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Jesse James on August 6, 2007, 01:36 AM
Steelers looked surprisingly sharp tonight...  Pre-season is pre-season, but still I was happy with what I was witnessing for most of the night. 
Title: Re: NFL Off-Season 2007
Post by: JediJman on August 6, 2007, 11:24 AM
Steelers looked surprisingly sharp tonight...  Pre-season is pre-season, but still I was happy with what I was witnessing for most of the night. 

Who the heck was playing?  I didn't recognize anyone outside of a few rooks.  First few weeks of preseason are annoying.
Title: Re: NFL Off-Season 2007
Post by: Darth Slothus on August 6, 2007, 01:34 PM
Who the heck was playing?  I didn't recognize anyone outside of a few rooks.  First few weeks of preseason are annoying.

The Saints..on their backs for much of the game....dare I say it...their veterans played like the *gasp* 'AINTS' of old.

DS
Title: Re: NFL Off-Season 2007
Post by: JediJman on August 6, 2007, 10:43 PM
Who the heck was playing?  I didn't recognize anyone outside of a few rooks.  First few weeks of preseason are annoying.

The Saints..on their backs for much of the game....dare I say it...their veterans played like the *gasp* 'AINTS' of old.

DS

No, I was asking who was playing, not who they played against.  I caught highlights and didn't recognize anyone from either team beyond a few rookies.
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Jesse James on August 7, 2007, 02:00 AM
Steeler's starters ran about one series and really played well...  Starters were mixed in with back-ups and things then though.  I think the Saints did about the same most of the game, mixing it up instead of running the A group for the first half or quarter and whatnot...  The Steelers were gelling no matter what they were putting togehter so I was pleased.  It was interesting too, to see Tomlin's "style" for the first time...  The LB they drafted (Timmons) was out though, so I was bummed we couldn't see him in action since that's a position they are hurting at with Porter's departure.
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Darth Slothus on September 7, 2007, 06:11 PM
On the game last night...

Saw 5 impressive plays from the Colt Offense versus none from the 'Aints'. After they(Indy) built up a 14 point lead, I finally yielded to the kids to play Guitar Hero (80's) with them for an Hour.

DS
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: JediJman on September 7, 2007, 11:46 PM
On the game last night...

Saw 5 impressive plays from the Colt Offense versus none from the 'Aints'. After they(Indy) built up a 14 point lead, I finally yielded to the kids to play Guitar Hero (80's) with them for an Hour.

DS

Feeling pretty good about drafting Harrison in two of my fantasy leagues and R. Wayne in my main one.   ;D
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Darth Slothus on September 11, 2007, 02:08 AM
Alright Niners..way to gut one out :D

The DS
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: JediJman on September 11, 2007, 03:44 PM
Alright Niners..way to gut one out :D

The DS

Wow, how could anyone be a Niners fan after that game last night.  That was brutally U-G-L-I.   :P
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Jesse James on September 11, 2007, 04:33 PM
Steelers had a nice opener...  Season kicked off right for me so far.  A nice pounding on Cleveland is always a happy way to begin any NFL season for a Steeler fan. ;)

There were lots of good things too considering the Steelers are in a major transition.  The O-Line has been under scrutiny and they did amazing things on Sunday, while the offense in general was dynamic and effective.  The D just killed all day too with solid work.

Now we just hope that all continues.
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Mikey D on September 12, 2007, 08:17 AM
Broadcast maps for week 2...

CBS Early Game (http://www.the506.com/nflmaps/2007-02-CBS1.html)

CBS Late Game (http://www.the506.com/nflmaps/2007-02-CBS2.html)

Fox Single Game (http://www.the506.com/nflmaps/2007-02-FOX.html)
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: JediJman on September 12, 2007, 12:43 PM
Broadcast maps for week 2...

CBS Early Game (http://www.the506.com/nflmaps/2007-02-CBS1.html)

CBS Late Game (http://www.the506.com/nflmaps/2007-02-CBS2.html)

Fox Single Game (http://www.the506.com/nflmaps/2007-02-FOX.html)

Sweet - thanks for posting.  Soooo close to being able to watch the Packers on Fox...
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Scott on September 12, 2007, 03:11 PM
Syrup of Ipecac can do the same thing as watching Packers in a pinch
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: JediJman on September 12, 2007, 05:04 PM
Syrup of Ipecac can do the same thing as watching Packers in a pinch

Is this the best that Mankato has to offer?  Syrup of Ipecac?   ::)
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Darth Slothus on September 13, 2007, 10:52 AM
Alright Niners..way to gut one out :D

The DS

Wow, how could anyone be a Niners fan after that game last night.  That was brutally U-G-L-I.   :P

Yeah, it takes alot of character to be a fan of teams like the 49ers and other annual losers. I could always take the easy route, bandwagon to a recent years perennial winning favorite such as New England, Indy, San Diego ect who typically win most weekends during the season- but I'm too loyal to my team win or lose.

So no matter how the victory looks (IE see the packer philly game(even lower scoring)) I still am happy with it.

The DS
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Morgbug on September 13, 2007, 11:19 AM
No one is more loyal than a Vikings fan. 
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: JediJman on September 13, 2007, 02:42 PM
Alright Niners..way to gut one out :D

The DS

Wow, how could anyone be a Niners fan after that game last night.  That was brutally U-G-L-I.   :P

Yeah, it takes alot of character to be a fan of teams like the 49ers and other annual losers. I could always take the easy route, bandwagon to a recent years perennial winning favorite such as New England, Indy, San Diego ect who typically win most weekends during the season- but I'm too loyal to my team win or lose.

So no matter how the victory looks (IE see the packer philly game(even lower scoring)) I still am happy with it.

The DS

Lower scoring, but not poorly played.  Alex Smith and Matt Leinart looked AWFUL in that game.  I didn't get to see the Packer game, so maybe it was just as bad.  Props for sticking by your team even in the bad years. 

What do you all think about the Patriots videotaping scandal?  I think they should suspend the coach AND lose a couple of draft picks, if not all of them next year.  Nice to know that these guys were able to steal a few SB rings before getting caught.   :P
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Darth Slothus on September 13, 2007, 03:35 PM
Somehow, miraculously, the GB VS Philly game was just as sloppy but had more offensive stats(but not much higher) The Defenses played great in this game too(I watched it).

New England Spying--

I've heard alot of takes on this, I think it's disgusting.

If the Pats had to cheat on a Jets game that they're supposed to win, then did they cheat on the huge games that were more important? Playoff games?

Until I heard someone point it out- it didn't occur to me that them being a second-half team known for making the right adjustments. Why is that? All the video taping help them get info on whether a D was in a run or Pass D per play or whether a team was in blitz so they could use it in the second half to help their offense?

I am sure alot of teams are cheating like this BUT, the Pats got caught doing it...it doesn't matter if their coach is well liked or not, their team successfull or not, the NFL should punish hard to make an example here (to be consistent with other recent rulings) to deter other teams from doing this.

The Pats were already warned before about this- which makes this incident more severe as well!!

Considering all this, I want

4 game suspension of head coach
loss of both their 1st round picks next draft
$500,000 fine to the Patriots team

If you don't hit them in the balls they'll continue to be arrogant and smug about their 'tainted' successes.
(if you take 1 of their 2 first round pics, they'll just shrug it off-claiming they have another still)

The DS   
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: JediJman on September 13, 2007, 04:57 PM
I couldn't agree more.  I think teams are trying to find an edge, but I don't believe that other teams in the NFL are videotaping play calls from the sideline.  I've heard of teams bringing in former players from rival teams and I'm sure they try to pull any play calling, team secrets, nuances, etc. out of those players, but there is a big difference between that and going against the NFL rules which specifically state that you cannot use video specifically aimed at monitoring play calling. 

A number of players from other teams have come out saying that this behavior is shockingly wrong and I definitely believe them over anyone who says that "everybody's doing it."  But even if other teams were doing it, that doesn't make it right.  It certainly is astonishing how well the Pats adjust to other teams in the second half and how well they've done the past few years without superstar talent.  Hines Ward reitterated his comments from last year about how the Pats "Seemed to know what the Steelers were going to do on every play" during last year's playoff game.  The Packers found the same camera guy videotaping their game last year (the one they lost 0-35) and kicked him out of the stadium, so its not like this is something new. 

Personally, I don't think any punishment is too severe, considering that the Pats may have used this advantage to win multiple Superbowls.  What's really sad is that players and coaches have lost their jobs based on defeats by the Patriots, so its not just some trivial event without consequence to others.  I'd recommend taking away any draft picks for a year, suspending the coach for four games, and fining them a million dollars to really make it sting.  Even that doesn't seem like enough if the Pats won their SB rings because of this. 

I used to think the Raiders were the crummiest team in the NFL, but the Pats and their cheating really take the cake.
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: john todd on September 13, 2007, 06:19 PM
i don't think draft picks or suspensions would be a heavy enough price for so obviously trying to cheat.  the pats are good, so they would probably win with or without their coach, and they will not get any good draft picks anyhow.  the only thing i see that would really steer every team away from any more sign stealing is to have the pats forefit that game.
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Darth Slothus on September 13, 2007, 07:29 PM
and they will not get any good draft picks anyhow. 

Are you sure? From previous deals, they get 2 first rounders next year. I can think of alot of late rounders that became stars in the past so, sure- it doesn't necessarily mean the first rounders will be great but odds are higher they'll be good.

I really dislike how a majority of the ESPN analysts are for really light penalties. Most of the lot are talking 1 game HC suspension, A 2nd OR 3rd round pick next year. They seem to favor real wrist slap punishment. They seem to be really dumbing it down too.

This IS   serious..good point about lost jobs over Pat's losses in playoffs-good angle. I like the punishments recommended so far. I'm hoping the NFL as a minimum uses my punishments..anything more would be great, though I get the feeling I will be dissapointed with their judgement.
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Matt_Fury on September 13, 2007, 07:51 PM
I agree that the Head Coach should be suspended for at least 4 games, as well as the loss of their first round draft picks.

I think the fine should be a minimum of $1 million.  This team has won 4 superbowls in recent history and there's no way to prove that they did not cheat to get there and win the games!

The integrity of the game is at stake here....just like the gambling refs in the NBA and steriods in MLB.  The punishment needs to be harsh.....extremly harsh!
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Darth Slothus on September 13, 2007, 08:40 PM
Agreed

Damn, I thought they only won 3 :o

DS
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: JediMAC on September 13, 2007, 08:53 PM
This team has won 4 superbowls in recent history and there's no way to prove that they did not cheat to get there and win the games!

Well, we know for a fact that they didn't deserve at least the first of those Superbowls, since they cheated (or at least the refs sort of did) in "beating" the Raiders on that SNOWJOB fumble at the end of the AFC Championship game that year, which they (should've) lost.  >:(



Not that I'm still bitter about that total bull**** call or anything (which would've allowed for my dream Superbowl of Raiders vs. Rams).  ********.

(sorry Mikey, but you already know how I feel about the matter  ;))

Damn, I thought they only won 3 :o

They did.  Not sure what Fury's smoking...  :P
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Darth Slothus on September 13, 2007, 09:06 PM
It's official

Posted: 14 minutes ago
NFL fines Belichick, strips Patriots of draft pick

New England Patriots coach Bill Belichick has been fined the maximum amount under the NFL Constitution and By-Laws of $500,000 for violating league policy last Sunday on the use of equipment to videotape an opposing team's offensive or defensive signals.

In addition, Commissioner Roger Goodell also notified the Patriots that they would forfeit their first-round draft choice in 2008 if they reach the playoffs, or their own second-round and third-round picks if they do not qualify for the playoffs, and that the club would be fined $250,000.

I'm not surprisingly dissapointed, I just don't think this was tough enough, a real wrist slap- if I've ever seen one. :(

DS
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Darth Slothus on September 13, 2007, 09:11 PM
Well, we know for a fact that they didn't deserve at least the first of those Superbowls, since they cheated (or at least the refs sort of did) in "beating" the Raiders on that SNOWJOB fumble at the end of the AFC Championship game that year, which they (should've) lost.  >:(

Yeah, I'm a raider hater, but even I was admittedly pissed about that call as well. Total BS- and to make a new rule on it the next year to throw the game's ruling in our face- what a disgrace

Damn, I thought they only won 3 :o

They did.  Not sure what Fury's smoking...  :P

Yes, I knew too Matt- all those years of watching the game not wasted ;).

The DS
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: JediJman on September 13, 2007, 09:56 PM
It's official

Posted: 14 minutes ago
NFL fines Belichick, strips Patriots of draft pick

New England Patriots coach Bill Belichick has been fined the maximum amount under the NFL Constitution and By-Laws of $500,000 for violating league policy last Sunday on the use of equipment to videotape an opposing team's offensive or defensive signals.

In addition, Commissioner Roger Goodell also notified the Patriots that they would forfeit their first-round draft choice in 2008 if they reach the playoffs, or their own second-round and third-round picks if they do not qualify for the playoffs, and that the club would be fined $250,000.

I'm not surprisingly dissapointed, I just don't think this was tough enough, a real wrist slap- if I've ever seen one. :(

DS

That's better than I expected, but agree - I wish the penalty was more severe.  :-\
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: JayDouble on September 14, 2007, 12:36 AM
Patriots new logo:
(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a326/Root13/6c2ujj6.gif)
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Jesse James on September 14, 2007, 01:22 AM
Dickish is about the only thing I can think of to describe the Pats right now...  Makes me wonder if those AFC Championship games we lost to them would've gone the same.  That's what's so dickish about it too, including for the Pats fans...  Everything they accomplished is with some tainting now to many people.
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Matt_Fury on September 14, 2007, 01:48 AM
Well, we know for a fact that they didn't deserve at least the first of those Superbowls, since they cheated (or at least the refs sort of did) in "beating" the Raiders on that SNOWJOB fumble at the end of the AFC Championship game that year, which they (should've) lost.  >:(

Yeah, I'm a raider hater, but even I was admittedly pissed about that call as well. Total BS- and to make a new rule on it the next year to throw the game's ruling in our face- what a disgrace

Damn, I thought they only won 3 :o

They did.  Not sure what Fury's smoking...  :P

Yes, I knew too Matt- all those years of watching the game not wasted ;).

The DS

I just can't type worth a damn...and that 4 key is right next to the 3 key.   ::)


Figures these ******** would just get a slap on the wrist.
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Rob on September 14, 2007, 02:42 AM
"As the commissioner acknowledged, our use of sideline video had no impact on the outcome of last week's game"

That's why it's a slap on the wrist.



Even though I wouldn't call losing a 1st rounder a slap on the wrist.
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Darth Slothus on September 14, 2007, 02:50 AM
Even though I wouldn't call losing a 1st rounder a slap on the wrist.

Normally I would think that was fine(sufficient) too except they still have a 1st rounder regardless. If they took both their 1st round pics away, then it's more than a slap and I'm happier.
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Neal on September 14, 2007, 09:17 AM
I guess I'm one of the few people who doesn't really care that much about this.  Every team does this, to one extent or the other.  The Pats just got caught.  And I don't think it taints their Super Bowl wins in any way.  Someone mentioned that this information helps them in the second half of games.  Look at all of their Super Bowls wins.  They pretty much played much better in the first halves of all three games.  This may seem like a big deal now, but eventually, people will forget, like they do with everything else.  No one seems to remember that when Elway and the Broncos won back-to-back Super Bowls, they were over the salary cap both seasons.  That can be construed as cheating as well.  It doesn't seem to me that that has tainted their "legacy" at all.  This will pass.  It always does.  I don't know ... I guess I've become jaded.  There's so much corruption and **** in sports now that I just don't care any more.
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Darth Slothus on September 16, 2007, 04:05 PM
San Fran pretenders??

Most overrated/lucky 2-0 team?

--hard to argue; I'm beside myself how a team gets under 200 yards 2 weeks in a row, out gained and out time of possession- and wins :-\ ?

Anyway who-hoo Niners!!

DS

Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: evenflow on September 16, 2007, 07:41 PM
And the Jets lose again  :-[
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: john todd on September 16, 2007, 08:17 PM
Normally I would think that was fine(sufficient) too except they still have a 1st rounder regardless. If they took both their 1st round pics away, then it's more than a slap and I'm happier.

they should have made it their highest 1st round pick regardless of picks traded for.   it seems likely they will lose their 30th or so pick and still get to use the top 5 pick they traded for.
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: JediJman on September 16, 2007, 10:22 PM
Packers are 2-0...Super Bowl bound baby!
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Darth Slothus on September 17, 2007, 03:34 PM
Lotsa big games next week...

1 especially comes to mind ::)

-are you ready Jesse?

DS
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: evenflow on September 17, 2007, 08:55 PM
Normally I would think that was fine(sufficient) too except they still have a 1st rounder regardless. If they took both their 1st round pics away, then it's more than a slap and I'm happier.

they should have made it their highest 1st round pick regardless of picks traded for.   it seems likely they will lose their 30th or so pick and still get to use the top 5 pick they traded for.

Call me biased but the pick they lose should go to the Jets.
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Jesse James on September 17, 2007, 11:59 PM
Lotsa big games next week...

1 especially comes to mind ::)

-are you ready Jesse?

DS

I'm dandy...  The question is which of the teams is ready?  I'm guessing my Steelers were chomping at the bit Sunday for next week's game. :)  I'm excited but this year my Saturdays take all my football life out of me practically, so my Sundays aren't quite as gung-ho as they have been...  I can only sit there freaking out about football games so many times during a week.
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: JediJman on September 18, 2007, 12:10 PM
Call me biased but the pick they lose should go to the Jets.

You are biased.   ;D
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Darth Slothus on September 18, 2007, 12:44 PM
Lotsa big games next week...

1 especially comes to mind ::)

-are you ready Jesse?

DS

I'm dandy...  The question is which of the teams is ready?  I'm guessing my Steelers were chomping at the bit Sunday for next week's game. :) 

Sigh* agreed....I wish we had last years' offense to go with this years D- then, the game would have been really hyped up...oh well( I mainly wish we had last years O coordinator-it seems he's good at that only-never been good as a head coach- and doesn't look it now.....)

The DS
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Scott on September 18, 2007, 09:08 PM
I am still so dang pissed that the Steelers made Tomlin the coach.  Sort of like when the Vikes had Dungy and Billick under "Sticks" Green, you could just tell Tomlin was something special and I think he is going to be a phenom...far better than our joke of a coach right now
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: JediJman on September 18, 2007, 09:41 PM
Okay fantasy footballers...do I trade Jones-Drew at this point or hope for a turnaround?  I'm 0-2 now because of him...  :-\
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Jesse James on September 19, 2007, 01:26 AM
I am still so dang pissed that the Steelers made Tomlin the coach.  Sort of like when the Vikes had Dungy and Billick under "Sticks" Green, you could just tell Tomlin was something special and I think he is going to be a phenom...far better than our joke of a coach right now

It's still early too though, and against 2 weaker teams.  I like to remain ever-hopeful, but I can't really commit to liking Tomlin here yet.  He walked into a team with some great players on it, and he hasn't had a real heavy challenge of his coaching abilities yet, so I'm not committed to loving Tomlin, but I'm definitely adjusting and warming up to him for sure.  He definitely does things different than Cowher too with offense, and I like that.  Cowher was pretty conservative.

About the only thing I don't like is more a problem of players than coaching, but I miss Bettis and his style of running.  That's my favorite kind and more reliable than finesse.  Not Tomlin's fault of course, but his offense seems (to me) to fit better with speed in the back than power and size...  So I'm thinking it won't change much even if Parker left.

Anyway, I'm hyped up for Sunday...  Busy day because we've got a birthday party, some home crap going on to get a sewer line opened up, a bachelor party the night before, two games the afternoon before, and trying to catch the Steeler's all the while in between. :)  I won't miss 'em though.
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Mikey D on September 19, 2007, 07:45 AM
Week 3 TV maps:

CBS Single Game (http://www.the506.com/nflmaps/2007-03-CBS.html)

Fox Early Game (http://www.the506.com/nflmaps/2007-03-FOX1.html)

Fox Late Game (http://www.the506.com/nflmaps/2007-03-FOX2.html)
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Rob on September 22, 2007, 11:28 AM
Thanks.


Looks like I'll be heading to a sports bar again tomorrow...
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Dressel Rebel on September 22, 2007, 09:36 PM
It's pretty nice being able to see 4 NFL games in 2 days over Sunday and Monday.  But I always wanted to see the NFL broken up into 2 games a night the entire 7 day week.  It would be nice if every night there was a pair of games on, like a 7 and a 10 PM.
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Jesse James on September 24, 2007, 01:42 AM
Steelers with another win, though people are already bitching that the offense wasn't as effective as everyone would like...  I thought it didn't do poorly myself, and that things just stalled out sometimes and wound up in 3 points instead of 7, but hey a win is a win and I'm happy tonight.

3 - 0 start, last accomplished by *drum roll* Bill Cowher.  Yay Steelers.

Still though, people are saying a lot that the Steelers aren't going to be tested till the Bungals, Ravens, etc.  I can't really disagree with that thinking entirely either.
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: ruiner on September 24, 2007, 12:46 PM
Two words:

Gross, man.


Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Mikey D on September 24, 2007, 01:05 PM
Five words:

Tom Brady to Randy Moss  ;D
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Darth Slothus on September 24, 2007, 01:44 PM
Two words:

Gross, man.




I wonder what will become of him. I've heard that when he is pulled-that he won't come back/it will be a permanent removal. I also hear that 'the machine aint broke' mentality is in play. That the Bears are 18-9 in games Gross started so they won't pull him. If the Bears have a losing record in their next two games, then I expect him to be gone.

I felt the Steelers /49ers game was good until the 4th quarter. At least the niners got 80 more yards in offense than usual ::). It appeared that the run was starting to work but then the turnover came and they had to abandon it. It's true that Gore has his best running stats in games the 49ers are able to keep close, where they can run the whole game-defenses start wearing down late. Overall I was proud that the niners scored so many points against the steelers- and that the passing game looked a little better. The corners played well as usual. It's really not a surprise about the Steelers' drives stalling in the red zone-it was noted that they had a problem in this area prior to this game - but they seem pretty adept at scoring outside the 20- so, does it really matter?

I really, really wanted somone to sarcastically ask crying Donovan a Q like 'Do you think the reason you were able to throw so well with so many TD's today was because you are black?' I would have been pleased if they did. I can guarantee there will be some QB's getting some heat monday for their performances in games played last weekend and obviously, race isn't an issue ::).

DS
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Dressel Rebel on September 24, 2007, 02:07 PM
Five words:

Tom Brady to Randy Moss  ;D

One word too many dude.  I can do it in 1 word less:

Eli Manning to Plaxico!!

5 TDs to date.

 :D
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Rob on September 24, 2007, 06:11 PM
Thank Goodness I have Moss in one league and Plaxico in the other.

I have T.O. in the third.  8)
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: JediJman on September 25, 2007, 11:49 PM
Those guys are all pansies compared to Marion Barber 3.  He is unstoppable!  ;)
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Mikey D on September 26, 2007, 07:49 AM
Week 4 TV Maps

CBS Early Game (http://www.the506.com/nflmaps/2007-04-CBS1.html)

CBS Late Game (http://www.the506.com/nflmaps/2007-04-CBS2.html)

Fox Single Game (http://www.the506.com/nflmaps/2007-04-FOX.html)
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: JediJman on September 26, 2007, 10:12 AM
Why the heck doesn't Minneapolis get a CBS early game?  We're all going to be watching Packers vs. Vikings anyway, but would be nice to have something to flip to during the commercials.   >:(
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: ruiner on September 26, 2007, 10:34 AM
If the Bears have a losing record in their next two games, then I expect him to be gone.


Rex Benched, Griese to Start Sunday (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/football/nfl/09/25/grossman.ap/index.html)
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Darth Slothus on September 26, 2007, 10:03 PM
I know..

I bet grossman doesn't come back now,ever.

I was figuring the way Lovie was standing by him that he may make it a couple weeks

Bet, he was pressured by the big boss to make the move.

Anyway, I think Griese will be good for them- he certainly's got to be salivitating at the opportunity at least.
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Scott on September 26, 2007, 10:28 PM
NFL rules...you can't have a game opposite the home team when they are at home on the other station (if the Vikes are at home and are on Fox, no early game on CBS)
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: JediJman on September 26, 2007, 11:14 PM
NFL rules...you can't have a game opposite the home team when they are at home on the other station (if the Vikes are at home and are on Fox, no early game on CBS)

Is that true?  I swear there have been other games on opposite home Viking games...
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Scott on September 26, 2007, 11:42 PM
I'm almost positive that is the rule...there shouldn't be CBS games in Dallas or Detroit either since they both play early games on FOX

I also know though that in Mankato our local CBS station will carry the double header while WCCO will not...so I think it has to do with the Primary Market vs Secondary Market aspect of the TV rules
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: JediJman on September 28, 2007, 12:56 PM
Quick notice for any of you fantasy players - Rudi Johnson is definitely out Monday, so Kenny Watson is a good fill-in for this week!
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Rob on September 28, 2007, 07:14 PM
I'm almost positive that is the rule...there shouldn't be CBS games in Dallas or Detroit either since they both play early games on FOX

I also know though that in Mankato our local CBS station will carry the double header while WCCO will not...so I think it has to do with the Primary Market vs Secondary Market aspect of the TV rules

That **** drives me absolutely nuts.  They play infomercials when there are 8 other games on they could be showing.

Bastards.
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: JediJman on September 30, 2007, 12:03 PM
A. Boldin - OUT
J. Walker - OUT
R. Johnson - OUT
B. Jacobs - OUT
P. Burress - Playing
Calvin Johnson - OUT
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Matt_Fury on October 1, 2007, 12:26 AM
I'm not much of a Green Bay fan, but amazing that Favre beat Marino's TD record!  The guy's a class act and awesome competitor unlike some "record breakers" out there now.
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Jesse James on October 1, 2007, 01:18 AM
Steelers ate **** with injuries today...  Not much else to say.  Tomlin's early great start is over, and now it's time to rebound.  In other football news the youth team I coach dominated our competition this week!  And in particular my gf's son was so dominant on left d-end that they wound up shutting their run down to that side, it got so ugly.  Yay us!
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: ruiner on October 1, 2007, 02:02 PM
Two words:

Gross, man.

Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: JediJman on October 1, 2007, 03:12 PM
Packers continue their march towards an undefeated season and yet another Super Bowl victory!  Woohoo!  ;)
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Dressel Rebel on October 1, 2007, 04:06 PM
(http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A9gnMiIfUwFHJYMBGm2jzbkF/SIG=12f93de81/EXP=1191355551/**http%3A//www.seatseek.com/images/new_york_giants_logo_200.jpg)
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Mikey D on October 2, 2007, 07:36 AM
Five words:

Tom Brady to Randy Moss  ;D

Yep...
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Dressel Rebel on October 2, 2007, 09:02 PM
I'm sure Michael Pittman has never touched a steroid or growth hormone.

(http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/sp/tools/med/2007/10/ipt/1191365253.jpg)

Yup, the NFL has it totally under control.
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Rob on October 3, 2007, 12:48 AM
Michael Pittman, a team player, and a human bicep.

The guy's flat out ripped.

Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Mikey D on October 3, 2007, 08:58 AM
Week 5 TV maps...

CBS Early Game (http://www.the506.com/nflmaps/2007-05-CBS1.html)

CBS Late Game (http://www.the506.com/nflmaps/2007-05-CBS2.html)

Fox Single Game (http://www.the506.com/nflmaps/2007-05-FOX.html)


ETA - Fox game now added...
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: ruiner on October 3, 2007, 10:09 AM
Man, that guy has concrete blocks for arms.

It's like looking in a mirror.


Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: JediJman on October 3, 2007, 10:49 AM
Man, that guy has concrete blocks for arms.

It's like looking in a mirror.




Ha! Do you work in the fun house at the circus?

Looks like Tampa is trying to work out a trade with Minnesota for M. Moore or C. Taylor.  Given E. Graham's performance the past two weeks, I'm surprised they feel they need another back. 
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Dressel Rebel on October 3, 2007, 12:22 PM
Man, that guy has concrete blocks for arms.

It's like looking in a mirror.




Ha! Do you work in the fun house at the circus?

Looks like Tampa is trying to work out a trade with Minnesota for M. Moore or C. Taylor.  Given E. Graham's performance the past two weeks, I'm surprised they feel they need another back. 

Corey Dillon said no to the Bucs, and word is Tiki was contacted as well to see if he wants to come join brother Ronde.
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: ruiner on October 8, 2007, 12:51 PM
Griese, man!

Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Jesse James on October 8, 2007, 02:12 PM
After a quite disappointing loss to the Cardinals last week, my Steelers came back this week to hand a THOROUGH ass whipping to Seattle.  ;D  Doesn't get much better than quieting the camp that still say they should've won the super bowl by thoroughly owning them, even though you had tons of injuries.  A great day for sure!

I believe Tunch's quote at the end of the day was, "I don't want to get my fingerprints on this stat sheet, because it might turn up as criminal evidence of the beating Seattle just took". ;D  I love it.
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: JediJman on October 8, 2007, 04:01 PM
Packers fall to 4-1.  Booo!  Sucks having just a 2 game lead on Chicago and a 3 game lead on the Queens.   ;)
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: JayDouble on October 9, 2007, 02:09 AM
What a MNF game!
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Neal on October 9, 2007, 08:38 AM
What a MNF game!

Agreed.  There should be a mass suicide watch in the city of Buffalo this morning.
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: ruiner on October 9, 2007, 09:10 AM
Great game although I feel for the Bills.  I was really rooting for them to pull off the upset.

What a lack of effort on that onside kick...

 :-\
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Darth Slothus on October 9, 2007, 05:23 PM
Agreed, it would've looked the same if the Bills just all simultaneously sat down when the onside was kicked.

DS
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: john todd on October 9, 2007, 11:34 PM
Agreed, it would've looked the same if the Bills just all simultaneously sat down when the onside was kicked.

DS

i can't feel too sorry for the bills.  they had that game cinched so many times and just blew it.  i guess that is why they go ahead and play all 60 minutes.
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Dressel Rebel on October 9, 2007, 11:37 PM
The Bills have a terrible offense though.

They wouldn't have even been in that game if it weren't for 2 freak defensive plays.  Especially the 2nd interception that was tipped coming out of Romo's hand and fluttered into the end zone when it was caught.

When the Bears or Ravens have a game like that, it's their gameplan.  When the Bills do it, it's kinda a freak thing.
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Rob on October 10, 2007, 01:07 PM
The Bills have a terrible offense though.

They wouldn't have even been in that game if it weren't for 2 freak defensive plays.  Especially the 2nd interception that was tipped coming out of Romo's hand and fluttered into the end zone when it was caught.

When the Bears or Ravens have a game like that, it's their gameplan.  When the Bills do it, it's kinda a freak thing.

The Bills suck, and the fact that they couldn't score more than 3 points offensively to go with the 21 Defensive and Special teams points they ended up with proves it.  The Cowboys probably didn't deserve a win, but the Bills deserved one even less for not being able to get a stop, score a second FG, recover an onsides kick, or prevent Dallas from picking up that extra 10 yards in 3 plays in less than 20 seconds.
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Mikey D on October 10, 2007, 01:25 PM
Week 6 TV maps:

CBS Early Game (http://www.the506.com/nflmaps/2007-06-CBS1.html)

CBS Late Game (http://www.the506.com/nflmaps/2007-06-CBS2.html)

Fox Single Game (http://www.the506.com/nflmaps/2007-06-FOX.html)
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Matt Carroll on October 10, 2007, 07:33 PM
Thanks for the maps. A bit suprising that we here in Denver will get the NE/Dallas game instead of the Raiders/Chargers game. I'm not complaing though - at least I don't have to watch the Broncos stink it up again this week.  :-[
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Ryan on October 10, 2007, 08:01 PM
Thanks for the maps. A bit suprising that we here in Denver will get the NE/Dallas game instead of the Raiders/Chargers game. I'm not complaing though - at least I don't have to watch the Broncos stink it up again this week.  :-[

I'll match your :-[ and raise you a  (http://www.cheesebuerger.de/images/smilie/ekelig/p022.gif) .
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: JediJman on October 11, 2007, 10:21 PM
Thanks for the maps. A bit suprising that we here in Denver will get the NE/Dallas game instead of the Raiders/Chargers game. I'm not complaing though - at least I don't have to watch the Broncos stink it up again this week.  :-[

Why is that surprising?  Dallas is as close to Denver as the California teams.  Not to mention that Dal/NE is a battle of undefeated teams, so its being billed as the top game of the week.
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Matt Carroll on October 12, 2007, 06:57 PM

Why is that surprising?  Dallas is as close to Denver as the California teams.  Not to mention that Dal/NE is a battle of undefeated teams, so its being billed as the top game of the week.

Oh, not denying either of those facts. In years past in Denver, any AFC West game would have been on CBS automatically if the Broncos weren't, regardless of whether there was a much more antipicated matchup occuring elsewhere. I was suprised that CBS isn't giving us the Chargers/Raiders, since they are division foes.
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: ruiner on October 15, 2007, 11:14 AM
Two questions:

Is there anybody that can beat NE?

Is there anybody that can't beat the Bears?


Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: JediJman on October 15, 2007, 12:56 PM
Is there anybody that can beat NE?
  Apparently only injuries can beat the Pats.  Averaging 40 points a game and beating up everyone else on defense...no one is even coming close to beating them.

Is there anybody that can't beat the Bears?
Apparently the Cheifs and the Packers.  ;)
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: JediMAC on October 16, 2007, 05:53 PM
A bit suprising that we here in Denver will get the NE/Dallas game instead of the Raiders/Chargers game. I'm not complaing though...

Yeah, you're lucky Matt.  Even all the (former) Raider fans here in L.A. were hoping to get the Dallas/NE game, and were pissed to get stuck with the same old Raider horse****.  At least LT finally played like himself again though, so that was fun to watch.

Almost as fun was watching the Adrian Peterson highlights.  Man, you MN guys might have something pretty special there.  If he's finally fully recovered from his injuries (especially the collarbone), that guy may be the next LT, and bring the Vikes back to national attention.  Speaking of which, watching Randy Moss blow up again this season has made me seriously sick to my stomach.  As I'm sure has already been pointed out earlier in this thread, his amazing performance this year so far has proven nothing more than what a huge QUITTER that guy is.  Granted, he's got one of the game's best QBs throwing to him now, but still, he could've should've been nearly as entertaining the last several years when he gave up on both the Vikings and Raiders.  What a waste of time that was in his career, as he's obviously now proven that he still very much had it in him during those pathetically unproductive and boring years.  I'd love to see that cost him a spot in the HOF someday.  This guy's an amazing talent, but doesn't deserve a spot in Canton due to his beng one of the worst sports and biggest quitters in the history of the game.

As for the Pats, yeah, they look insanely good this year - maybe the best they've ever been.  Can't wait for that 11/4 Sunday night matchup in Indy next month.  If anyone's gonna beat them, it would be the Colts at Indy.

Oh, and go Packers!!  Nice to see Beth Brett back (not last weekend though)...  :-X
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Mikey D on October 17, 2007, 08:25 AM
Week 7 TV maps:

CBS Single Game (http://www.the506.com/nflmaps/2007-07-CBS.html)

Fox Early Game (http://www.the506.com/nflmaps/2007-07-FOX1.html)

Fox Late Game (http://www.the506.com/nflmaps/2007-07-FOX2.html)
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: ruiner on October 22, 2007, 09:33 AM
Two questions:

Is there anybody that can beat NE?

Is there anybody that can't beat the Bears?


Still no and add Philly.

How about that two minute TD run with no timeouts left?  Can you imagine Gross, man in that situation?
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: evenflow on October 22, 2007, 10:12 AM
My Jets completely blow. On the more interesting side. Did anyone who watched the Jets game see the orange Stormtrooper in the stands?
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: JediJman on October 22, 2007, 12:08 PM
My Jets completely blow. On the more interesting side. Did anyone who watched the Jets game see the orange Stormtrooper in the stands?

Didn't get the game here, but if you get a picture of that, I would love to see it!

How about those poor poor Miami fans?  42 points against before half time?  Ouch.
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Matt_Fury on October 22, 2007, 12:23 PM
My Jets completely blow. On the more interesting side. Did anyone who watched the Jets game see the orange Stormtrooper in the stands?

I've seen that guy at all the Bengal games I've seen on TV.
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Jesse James on October 23, 2007, 12:00 AM
Steelers ate huge ammounts of **** sandwiches on Sunday.  They totally handed the game over by not doing jack on the o-line and falling apart defensively overall.  They definitely looked bad, and I hate bye weeks because it means we come back playing like ****.  The game was close, but it shouldn't have been, and we really just screwed up all on our very own.  ::)
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Ryan on October 23, 2007, 12:28 AM
Steelers ate huge ammounts of **** sandwiches on Sunday.  They totally handed the game over by not doing jack on the o-line and falling apart defensively overall.  They definitely looked bad, and I hate bye weeks because it means we come back playing like ****.  The game was close, but it shouldn't have been, and we really just screwed up all on our very own.  ::)

;D

That was a really fun game to be at. As usual Stokley looked great. The D-Fense **** a brick again yesterday, though the increased pressure on the QB was nice to see. Overall though that game shouldn't have been so close. The Donkeys had a 14 point lead twice and blew it. It's a good thing Elam is on this year. All three wins have come on a walk-off field goal.

Yet another Bronco has gotten in trouble though. Brandon Marshall was pulled over on a suspected DUI last night. We really can't lose him after losing Walker for six weeks.
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Mikey D on October 24, 2007, 01:16 PM
Week 8 TV maps:

CBS Single Game (http://www.the506.com/nflmaps/2007-08-CBS.html)

Fox Early Game (http://www.the506.com/nflmaps/2007-08-FOX1.html)

Fox Late Game (http://www.the506.com/nflmaps/2007-08-FOX2.html)
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: evenflow on October 24, 2007, 10:52 PM
Once again Chad is the starter  ::)
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Dressel Rebel on October 24, 2007, 11:25 PM
Once again Chad is the starter  ::)

He played pretty well last week, 200+ yards and 3 TDs.  I think the bigger problem than Chad is the fact that the Jets cannot stop the run, and the defense has regressed significantly.
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Matt_Fury on October 25, 2007, 04:15 PM
Crap.  I was hoping to see the Giants Miami game in London....instead we're getting Detroit and Chicago.

Guess I can take a nap after pregame.  ::)
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: JediJman on October 25, 2007, 04:21 PM
Crap.  I was hoping to see the Giants Miami game in London....instead we're getting Detroit and Chicago.

Guess I can take a nap after pregame.  ::)

No offense, but I think the Giants/Miami game will be more of a snooze fest than Detroit and Chicago.  Giants are on their game and with R. Brown out, Miami will probably be down 42 to 7 by halftime again this week.
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: ruiner on October 25, 2007, 04:37 PM
Yeah, I'm glad they're not showing that Miami game.  There's a reason why that game is in London.

 :-*

Hell, I'd rather see Gross, man back at the helm than that Miami game.


Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Matt on October 25, 2007, 05:00 PM
We get the Eagles/Vikings game, where I live.

Two weeks in a row where I get to see my favorite team of all time play?  I can't believe it!
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Jeff on October 25, 2007, 05:13 PM
We get the Eagles/Vikings game, where I live.

Watch for me... I'll be sure to bring my big "I (http://www.sitepoint.com/forums/images/smilies/heart.gif) VIREX" sign. 

It has "I (http://www.sitepoint.com/forums/images/smilies/heart.gif) OCB" on the other side.  :)
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Matt on October 25, 2007, 05:21 PM
Watch for me... I'll be sure to bring my big "I (http://www.sitepoint.com/forums/images/smilies/heart.gif) VIREX" sign. 

It has "I (http://www.sitepoint.com/forums/images/smilies/heart.gif) OCB" on the other side.  :)

I'm TiVo'ing it!

(And I don't even have a TiVo yet!)
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Scott on October 25, 2007, 06:55 PM
I'll watch closely Jeff...I'd love to see you holding that sign, it would make my millenium
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: evenflow on October 26, 2007, 07:52 PM
Once again Chad is the starter  ::)

He played pretty well last week, 200+ yards and 3 TDs.  I think the bigger problem than Chad is the fact that the Jets cannot stop the run, and the defense has regressed significantly.

Yes there are more problems than just chad, but he is no longer the future of the team. I have always beena  huge supporter of his but the time has come for a change. If Clemens is supposed to be their guy, then why not start him now to see what he can do. If he works out great, if not if gives them the chance to figure out which QB to draft or go after to sign.
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: ruiner on October 29, 2007, 12:58 PM
Pats over Indy next week by 14.

 :P
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: JediJman on October 29, 2007, 06:19 PM
Pats over Indy next week by 14.

 :P

This is the game of the year in my opinion.  I don't think Indy can beat them, but I do think they've got the best shot of anyone out there.
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: ruiner on October 29, 2007, 06:52 PM
NFL Network is re-airing the 2006 AFC championship game this Wed. for those interested.

Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: P-Siddy on October 29, 2007, 07:08 PM
We get the Eagles/Vikings game, where I live.

Watch for me... I'll be sure to bring my big "I (http://www.sitepoint.com/forums/images/smilies/heart.gif) VIREX" sign. 

It has "I (http://www.sitepoint.com/forums/images/smilies/heart.gif) OCB" on the other side.  :)

I was there, too. Up in the nosebleeds, but there to cheer on my team!

"Fly, Eagles, Fly, on the road to victory"
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Dressel Rebel on October 29, 2007, 07:53 PM
Pats over Indy next week by 14.

 :P

Indy by a field goal.
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Mikey D on October 29, 2007, 08:47 PM
Tom Brady breaks Peyton Manning's TD record this week...

Ok, maybe not, but the Pats win by at least 10 points.
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: ruiner on October 30, 2007, 08:54 AM
I was hoping to see more action in OT last night but that's Favre for you.  What was with that last play by Cutler last night before the FG?

Was he avoiding the interception by attempting a run with no timeouts left?

On a different note (and not related to the NFL) did you guys see this?

Fifteen lateral play wins game for Trinity University (http://www.trinity.edu/departments/athletics/index.htm)
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: evenflow on October 30, 2007, 10:01 AM
I think i would give almost anything for the Pats to go 15-1 and that one defeat come from the Jets. It would make the Jets going 2-14 fine by me.
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: JediJman on October 30, 2007, 02:26 PM
I was hoping to see more action in OT last night but that's Favre for you.  What was with that last play by Cutler last night before the FG?

Was he avoiding the interception by attempting a run with no timeouts left?

On a different note (and not related to the NFL) did you guys see this?

Fifteen lateral play wins game for Trinity University (http://www.trinity.edu/departments/athletics/index.htm)

That is the funniest TD play I have ever seen!  Thanks for sharing!
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Mikey D on October 31, 2007, 11:31 AM
Week 9 TV maps:

CBS Early Game (http://www.the506.com/nflmaps/2007-09-CBS1.html)

CBS Late Game (http://www.the506.com/nflmaps/2007-09-CBS2.html)

Fox Single Game (http://www.the506.com/nflmaps/2007-09-FOX.html)
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Matt_Fury on October 31, 2007, 08:39 PM
Thanks for posting those Mikey!  Looks like the CBS late game isn't working right now.  Hopefully we'll get the NE/Indy game here in Colorado...Denver's got Detroit in the Early game so there's a good chance!   :D
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: JediJman on November 1, 2007, 12:23 AM
Thanks for posting those Mikey!  Looks like the CBS late game isn't working right now.  Hopefully we'll get the NE/Indy game here in Colorado...Denver's got Detroit in the Early game so there's a good chance!   :D

Its working - I saw it earlier today and its working right now as well.  Pretty much the whole country will be watching the Pats/Indy game.   ;D
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Matt_Fury on November 1, 2007, 03:36 PM
I can see it now....too bad for all the people in Houston!   :-*
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: P-Siddy on November 1, 2007, 09:33 PM
Cowboys and Eagles are NBCs night game!
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Matt_Fury on November 2, 2007, 03:31 PM
Should be a good game.  Of course as a Giants fan I'm hoping that an earthquake opens a fissure on the field and swallows both teams!   ;D
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: P-Siddy on November 2, 2007, 04:54 PM
Should be a good game.  Of course as a Giants fan I'm hoping that an earthquake opens a fissure on the field and swallows both teams!   ;D

That's not very nice.  :'( I'd be stuck rooting for just the Vikings then. "Fly, Eagles, fly on the victory!"

It's a lofty dream, but it would be great to see McNabb and the birds take down the Cowboys. (I'm sure you'd like that, too Matt.)
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: John C on November 4, 2007, 06:20 PM
AD Peterson is something else. The Vikes were lucky he fell to them.  They probably would be winless or have 1 win without him.  He is by far the most fun player to watch in the NFL. 
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Scott on November 4, 2007, 06:24 PM
No doubt, what a ******* beast he is.  He almost broke both of those last two rushes too...which would have handily given him the NFL record instead of just by a yard :)
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: JediJman on November 5, 2007, 08:50 AM
AD Peterson is something else. The Vikes were lucky he fell to them.  They probably would be winless or have 1 win without him.  He is by far the most fun player to watch in the NFL. 


He is amazing.  We'll see if he stays healthy - he was injured a lot in college and they're starting to overuse him.  Would be fitting for him to rock hard all season, have the Vikings just miss the playoffs, then get an injury that sidelines him next year.   ::)
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Brian on November 5, 2007, 09:11 AM
I agree, Peterson is a joy to watch.  I'm glad that he fell to Minnesota, and hopefully he can stay healthy.  As a Nebraskan, we keep up on Big 12 football pretty well, so I've gotten the chance to see him play quite a bit in college as well (when he was healthy), and he's always had a load of talent.  Hopefully the Vikes can build around him in the future.
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: P-Siddy on November 5, 2007, 10:50 AM
Hopefully the Vikes can build around him in the future.

Amen, and maybe keep Bolinger as QB. He's done better than the other 2 have.
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: ruiner on November 5, 2007, 11:34 AM
Pats over Indy next week by 14.

 :P

Indy by a field goal.

If Indy has scored a TD on that final run, you would've been dead nuts on.

But they didn't.

Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Dressel Rebel on November 5, 2007, 09:22 PM
AD Peterson is something else. The Vikes were lucky he fell to them.  They probably would be winless or have 1 win without him.  He is by far the most fun player to watch in the NFL. 

Adrian Peterson runs with no regard for human life.
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Jesse James on November 5, 2007, 11:09 PM
Anyone watching MNF?

Whoa mama. :)
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: P-Siddy on November 5, 2007, 11:19 PM
Isn't that a Pittsburgh spanking in a snowstorm?

Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: JediJman on November 5, 2007, 11:51 PM
Isn't that a Pittsburgh spanking in a snowstorm?



It was raining earlier, but cleared up by end of the first half.  38 to 7 trouncing by the Steelers, and once again Todd Heap did not play, runinging my chances of scoring a single fantasy point.  I hate you Todd Heap.
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Jesse James on November 6, 2007, 02:31 AM
Yeah, no snow...  Not even close to snowing here yet really.  Barely dipped out of the 40's, especially by that hour...  I think it might've hit 39 around midnight, but it was real clear early on, especially down in the city...  Weather's never an excuse though to me.  We just went BB gun huntin' for Ravens tonight.
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: P-Siddy on November 6, 2007, 09:31 AM
Okay, no snow. I guess from the picture I saw, the rain looked like snow.  :-\ I guess I just wanted to share in the snow flurry excitement we got her in the Twin Cities. So I guess I was a partially correct. It was just a spanking. Can't say much though. My Eagles got spanked too.  >:( Damn Cowboys and T.O.!  ;)
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Jesse James on November 6, 2007, 04:43 PM
We got our first flurries today...  Election day's often a time of the first snow here anymore.  I remember when I was little that we'd have snow for Halloween every year, now it's rare for a white Christmas.  Oh well.

A lot of people make a lot of the weather in football, and I just don't understand it...  People are already saying how the Steelers would nullify a weather advantage if they go against the pats in the playoffs and stuff.  To me it's just a non-issue I guess.
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Jesse James on November 12, 2007, 02:49 AM
Steelers looked like **** for the first half, and that sucked.  I was continually hoping for the turn-around, and I knew they could do it, and low and behold they did!  Come from behind win over the Browns.  Nothing beats the coverage zooming in on Browns fans who managed to get tickets to the game, just sitting there all dejected.  Outstanding stuff.

And I think people who say Roethlisberger isn't among the elite QB's are just among the "we hate the Steelers" crowd at this point.  He proved today how he can take control of a game himself I believe.  The Brownies are anything but a lame team, and they weren't the same team we played in the opener.  Good game to watch for sure, especially if you're from the 'burgh. ;)

And holy cow is James Harrison a beast...  I always liked the guy, but he was always in other player's shadows more or less.  This year though he's really stepped up.
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Matt on November 12, 2007, 03:52 AM
And I think people who say Roethlisberger isn't among the elite QB's are just among the "we hate the Steelers" crowd at this point.

Well, of course he's amongst the elite QBs of the NFL. 

(You don't think Tom Brady's shoes are gonna shine themselves, do ya?)
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: ruiner on November 12, 2007, 05:59 PM
What a lame MNF game scheduled for tonight...won't even bother after last night's Twilight Zone'ish game.

Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Jesse James on November 12, 2007, 08:34 PM
I always knew that photo of you with the dog-like mask meant you were part of the Brown's "Dog Pound".  Typical shenanigans from that crowd out of you.  ::)
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Matt on November 13, 2007, 12:54 AM
I always knew that photo of you with the dog-like mask meant you were part of the Brown's "Dog Pound".  Typical shenanigans from that crowd out of you.  ::)

It wasn't a dog; it was a bear.  Because I'm a huge Chicago Bears fan.

But, speaking of the Browns, I just took them to the Super Bowl!
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Jesse James on November 13, 2007, 02:03 AM
Oh, ok...  I never did realize what that was, so ya learn something new every day.  Still, looks like a dog mask to me.  You closet brownie.
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Mikey D on November 15, 2007, 08:31 AM
Week 11 TV maps

CBS Single Game (http://www.the506.com/nflmaps/2007-11-CBS.html)

Fox Early Game (http://www.the506.com/nflmaps/2007-11-FOX1.html)

Fox Late Game (http://www.the506.com/nflmaps/2007-11-FOX2.html)
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Jesse James on November 19, 2007, 05:11 AM
Oh man did the Steelers suck...  And as with the 2 previous losses, the secondary wasn't there at all, and the Offensive Line crumbled like a sandcastle at high tide.  Roethlisberger scrambles nifty and all, but he got his ass chewed up today...  And it sucked royally losing to a team that, once again, we basically handed the game over to them. 

In other NFL news...  Man, those Pats are just insane, but I still have to agree that it's dickish going for it (twice) on 4th and 1 when you're already blowing a team out, and you don't even run it...  Twice going to the air.  They're just screaming for some team to take a cheap shot on their starters I think...  I think I'd be cautious of that kind of outcome, but that's me.  The way THEIR line held stuff together though, Brady could be a second-rate QB and still have the stats he does...  The guy's feet rarely move, much less actually running from someone.  He's got a fort of rock around him with that line...  THAT is some incredibly good football going on there.
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Matt_Fury on November 19, 2007, 10:23 PM
So is the NBC Sunday night flex game going to be the Patriots every week now?  That is going to get real boring real quick if it is.  I thought the flex game concept was to get either the bet match-up between two teams that would make for an exciting game or the one with the biggest impact on the playoffs.

If it's going to be the Pats and whtever team is against them, I guess Brady or Moss will be on the horse trailer for the rest of the season....and I won't have to tivo Family Guy.  ::)
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Nicklab on November 19, 2007, 10:46 PM
The next two weeks are locked in on the sunday night games.  Next week it's Eagles at the Pats, and then it's Bengals at the Steelers on December 2nd.

Given last night's game, I don't know that the Pats games will be the best draw for the flex schedule.  Especially with the Pats piling on 56 points against the Bills.
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Dressel Rebel on November 20, 2007, 10:14 AM

If it's going to be the Pats and whtever team is against them, I guess Brady or Moss will be on the horse trailer for the rest of the season....and I won't have to tivo Family Guy.  ::)

Someone is going to get the Pats one of these weeks, it'll probably have to be the Giants or Steelers.

While unlikely, it's certainly possible that 1 of the 3 good teams the Pats face in the playoffs will find a way to keep the game close and beat them.

The Colts almost did.
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Neal on November 20, 2007, 08:42 PM
The Colts almost did.

True ... but the Pats only played about 9 good minutes that game and overcame the most one-sided officiating I've ever seen.  And they still won.  Against the undefeated defending Super Bowl champions.  On the road.
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Matt_Fury on November 20, 2007, 09:53 PM
I'm not saying that the Patriots aren't playing some incredible football, but I think the Pats vs the Bills was a poor choice for them to show in primetime.  Did anyone think the Bills were going to have a chance?  I think the Eagles are going to get beat even worse....although I wouldn't mind being proven wrong, even if an Eagle win won't help the Giants any.

The Patriots are scary good, but I think the Colts had a good strategy against them, they just couldn't seal the deal.  If you have a tough defense (like the Giants have after week two) and you have an offense that can control the ball and the clock (like the typical Giants offense) I think the Patriots will lose.
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: ruiner on November 26, 2007, 02:47 PM
Well, I think the Eagles have proven that the Pats are beatable - what a great game last night, would've been better if the Eagles could have finished on the last drive.

At least the Bears kept what little chance they have of reaching the playoffs alive (thanks to Devin's TWO TD returns).

That puts him at what, ten in twenty-nine games?  I think the record is thirteen by some guy who did it in 230 games.

Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Rob on November 26, 2007, 04:13 PM
That only proved to me that even on a bad night the Pats still manage to win.
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Neal on November 26, 2007, 04:27 PM
That only proved to me that even on a bad night the Pats still manage to win.

Agreed.  As surprised as I was to see the game so close and to witness the Pats trailing so late into the game, I had absolutely no doubt whatsoever that they were going to score a touchdown and take the lead on that last drive.
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: ruiner on November 26, 2007, 04:48 PM
You don't think the Eagles had something to do with their game being 'off?'

Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: JediJman on November 26, 2007, 05:04 PM
That only proved to me that even on a bad night the Pats still manage to win.

Agreed.  I think the Eagles played very well and hopefully layed out a blueprint for someone like the Steelers to take the Pats down, but I didn't really see the Patriots panic at all.  There was no doubt that if they kept the score within 7, they were going to come back and win/tie on their last drive.  I will say that the Eagles did an amazing job of shutting Moss down.
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Rob on November 26, 2007, 06:34 PM
You don't think the Eagles had something to do with their game being 'off?'

Not really, every team has a game or two like that a year.  The Eagles aren't very good. If the Eagles somehow figured it out though when no one else could, and some other team puts in that game plan and beats them, it'll be a different story.

Meanwhile, the Patriots are 5 games away from shutting those moronic 14-0 Dolphins players up - and I really really really hope it happens.
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Dressel Rebel on November 26, 2007, 06:49 PM
Well, I think the Eagles have proven that the Pats are beatable - what a great game last night, would've been better if the Eagles could have finished on the last drive.


The Colts already proved that.

My money is on Peyton Manning in a showdown vs. the Pats in a potential AFC championship game.
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Paul on November 26, 2007, 06:51 PM
Not to mention....what if the Undefeated Dolphins lose their Bragging rights the same year the Dolphins go Winless? I realize the 2 have nothing to do with each other, but it would be odd to see...

But the Dolphins get Ricky Williams back tonight...look out!!! (that was sarcasm)

Meanwhile, the Patriots are 5 games away from shutting those moronic 14-0 Dolphins players up - and I really really really hope it happens.
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Dressel Rebel on November 26, 2007, 07:22 PM

But the Dolphins get Ricky Williams back tonight...look out!!! (that was sarcasm)


I can smell the weed already.
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Matt on November 26, 2007, 10:15 PM
My money is on Peyton Manning in a showdown vs. the Pats in a potential AFC championship game.

Man, that is really putting your balls out on the table.
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: JediJman on November 26, 2007, 10:15 PM

Meanwhile, the Patriots are 5 games away from shutting those moronic 14-0 Dolphins players up - and I really really really hope it happens.

I think its a foregone conclusion at this point.  I had high hopes for the Steelers, but they can't even seem to get a FG against lowly Miami, so I'm sure the Patsies will go undefeated this season.  I really hope some team proves me wrong though - I'd hate to see Cocky Brady and Dandy Randy touting their undefeated season for the next 30-40 years.  ::)
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: P-Siddy on November 26, 2007, 10:26 PM
I hope that game against the eagles put that fear of losing their undefeated seaon in them. They did look a little dejected after Philly took the lead. So, the Pats aren't a solid team, IMO. There is a weakness despite their record. And maybe the Colts could do it. they had a few injuries when they played earlier (weren't they missing like 5-6 starters? I know Dallas Clark was out).

Anyway, missed the Vikings-Giants game since I was on the road. Man, i wish i could have seen Eli get took 3 times. Glad to see my "home" team beat them. Maybe the Giants will be demoralized even more when Philly evens the score in 2 weeks.

Did catch the end of that Bears game. That was quite a game! I was in awe of all the spectacular plays being made! That was a fun one to watch!
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Jesse James on November 26, 2007, 11:25 PM
I still think the Steelers can give the pats a run for their money, based simply on earlier games...  I mean, we've handily beat BETTER teams than the Jets (who we lost to), and the Dolphins, who we seemingly cannot do jack **** with tonight...

The question is whether our O-Line decides to step up and actually play ball or not...  And last week, they didn't.  Tonight, they aren't...  Against the Cardinals, they didn't...  Against Denver, they didnt...  And those were all our losses aside from (so far) tonight's game.  But 0-0 with the Dolphins is as much a wake-up call that your line isn't worth a piss sometimes as anything. 

I mean, as I typed this, 3rd and inside the 10, and Roethlisberger's scrambling, avoiding 3 defenders, only to be tackled at about the line of scrimage...  The line sucks.

And Allen Faneca thinks he should get huge dollars?  Uh...  Not with the 2007 performance, no...  And his stock is I think hurt by performances like this, along with the rest of the line.  They just aren't what they once were I guess.   :-\  As a Steelers fan for life, I'm pissed.
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Ryan on November 26, 2007, 11:31 PM
Wow. Quite the barn-burner tonight. I'm supprised the scoreboard operator could keep up...
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Matt on November 26, 2007, 11:48 PM
So, the Pats aren't a solid team, IMO.

If they aren't, then who is?
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Rob on November 27, 2007, 12:09 AM
My money is on Peyton Manning in a showdown vs. the Pats in a potential AFC championship game.

Really going out on a limb here aren't you...?   ::)       

Dammit Matt.
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Jesse James on November 27, 2007, 12:15 AM
Wow. Quite the barn-burner tonight. I'm supprised the scoreboard operator could keep up...

Seriously...

As games go it wasn't bad to watch if you appreciate defense.  Pittsburgh line holds its ground though, and it would've been a blowout in ugly weather.

The best part of the game was the punt that just stuck in the ground.  You don't see that every day...

I'm the last guy to blame weather, but it had to play a factor in this game (coupled with the douchebaggery of playing the WPIAL playoffs and a Pitt game on the field over the weekend, and some dip trying to resod the entire field yesterday).  I mean...  The way the ball just died was funny, but it really showed just how utter **** the gameplay must be down there.  We've got flooding going on, tons of rain...  Wish we could've sent some out west for the folks that need it, or down south to the folks in GA.

The mantra all night's been...  "If this were snow...", heh.  :)  I wish it was...  Love that kind of panic/chaos that would've ensued around here.

Anyway, weather aside, the Steelers played like ****, and it's frustrating to watch...  Miami busted ass getting penetration though too, and gave it a good effort.
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Matt on November 27, 2007, 12:18 AM
My money is on Peyton Manning in a showdown vs. the Pats in a potential AFC championship game.

Really going out on a limb here aren't you...?   ::)       

Dammit Matt.

(http://images.dvdtalk.com/images/smilies/shrug.gif)
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Dressel Rebel on November 27, 2007, 01:39 AM
My money is on Peyton Manning in a showdown vs. the Pats in a potential AFC championship game.

Really going out on a limb here aren't you...?   ::)       

Dammit Matt.

Okay, so you guys also think the Colts will beat the Pats if they meet in the AFC game?

I don't get it.  Rob's being such a Pats-hag I'd have thought differently.
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: P-Siddy on November 27, 2007, 08:27 AM
So, the Pats aren't a solid team, IMO.

If they aren't, then who is?

No one.  ;)
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Rob on November 27, 2007, 11:27 AM
Why isn't anyone talking about the fact that Sean Taylor died this morning?
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: JediJman on November 27, 2007, 11:52 AM
Why isn't anyone talking about the fact that Sean Taylor died this morning?

Well, someone is.  Its pretty tragic, but I haven't heard many details.  Did the robers think that he was gone and traveling with the team?  Is there speculation that something bigger was going down?  Either way, its sad.  :(
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: ruiner on November 27, 2007, 11:57 AM
Weird turn of events.  I guess the guy broke in last week and left a knife behind and then came back this weekend when everybody was home.

Taylor attempted to defend himself (and I can only assume, his child and wife) with a machette and as you know, got shot in the leg. 

I still can't believe he died from a gunshot to the leg.

Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: ruiner on November 27, 2007, 11:59 AM
and it would've been a blowout in ugly weather.


 ???
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Rob on November 27, 2007, 12:44 PM
Weird turn of events.  I guess the guy broke in last week and left a knife behind and then came back this weekend when everybody was home.

Taylor attempted to defend himself (and I can only assume, his child and wife) with a machette and as you know, got shot in the leg. 

I still can't believe he died from a gunshot to the leg.



I'm starting to wonder if it was even a guy.

Someone breaks into his house the week before and leaves a knife on the bed.

Then someone cuts the phone lines, breaks in, and shoots him in the leg, and I've heard it was the groin.

Almost sounds like crazy ex-girlfriend to me.

But who the hell knows... could be anything.  A guy at a Bucs message board I use that have ties to Miami area is saying that he's got a reliable source that says there is much more to the story that is going to come out (and given his previous postings I'd say he's reasonably connected and reliable).
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: ruiner on November 27, 2007, 12:51 PM
Hmm...that's interesting and plausible (considering nothing has come up missing yet).

Why would you break in (twice) and steal nothing?




Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Rob on November 27, 2007, 01:02 PM
And shoot a guy in the groin (upper leg?)...

Lots of details aren't out there yet.
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Dressel Rebel on November 27, 2007, 02:00 PM
Why isn't anyone talking about the fact that Sean Taylor died this morning?

Check out my Darrent Williams thread at the end of last season.  No responses either.
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: JediJman on November 27, 2007, 02:44 PM
And shoot a guy in the groin (upper leg?)...

Lots of details aren't out there yet.

Well, I've never shot anyone, but I have shot a handgun at a firing range and its not like you always hit what you're aiming for.  I was a few feet off of the bullseye for several shots and that was with time to aim.  I think someone in a high stress situation on the move could easily hit someone in the leg while aiming elsewhere. 
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Nicklab on November 27, 2007, 02:52 PM
Weird turn of events.  I guess the guy broke in last week and left a knife behind and then came back this weekend when everybody was home.

Taylor attempted to defend himself (and I can only assume, his child and wife) with a machette and as you know, got shot in the leg. 

I still can't believe he died from a gunshot to the leg.



The whole story is very bizarre.  Just the fact that the guy would still be alive if he wasn't injured or chose to travel with the team shows how random life can be.

As for him dying from a gunshot to the leg/groin area?  It's very easy, actually.  If a bullet damages/severs the femoral artery it can lead to almost uncontrollable hemorraging.  Lose enough blood and that's a wound that can kill anyone.  One of the only things that might have saved him was if someone could get a tourniquette on his leg above the wound quickly, and even then that particular first aid measure could put the victim at risk to lose the leg.
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Dressel Rebel on November 27, 2007, 02:59 PM
And shoot a guy in the groin (upper leg?)...

Lots of details aren't out there yet.

Well, shooting at a target is one thing.  But imagine firing a handgun at a person, high stress, it's dark in the house, I'd imagine it'd be tough to hit the broad side of a barn.

The ideal weapon for close range self defense (or an assault I guess) would be a shotgun.  You can't match a blast like that, and you can't miss.

I can't believe an NFL athlete doesn't have a freaking alarm system on their house.  If my system is breached, the noise is so intolerable, the intruder has no choice but to run.
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: ruiner on November 27, 2007, 03:22 PM
Well there goes that idea.



Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Dressel Rebel on November 27, 2007, 03:26 PM
Well there goes that idea.





Ha ha.  Bring earplugs  :)

Or if you want to bring an AT-TE next year, you can just ring the front door bell.
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: ruiner on November 27, 2007, 04:11 PM
I either lost a bet that I don't remember or you think I work for UPS.

 :-\
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Mikey D on November 29, 2007, 09:50 AM
Week 12 TV maps

CBS Single Game (http://www.the506.com/nflmaps/2007-13-CBS.html)

Fox Early Game (http://www.the506.com/nflmaps/2007-13-FOX1.html)

Fox Late Game (http://www.the506.com/nflmaps/2007-13-FOX2.html)

And **** you NFL, cable companies or whoever else is responsible for not making what is arguably the biggest NFC game of the year so far available to over half the country.  (And yes, I realize I could pay for the channel but I shouldn't have to, especially after the NFL network was part of my cable package last year).
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Scott on November 29, 2007, 09:56 AM
Our cable company won't even let us pay for it as part of a sports package
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Rob on November 29, 2007, 10:51 AM
I think what the NFL really wants is for everyone to get pissed and call their local providers and demand that they carry the NFL Network...  they're not just looking for you to subscribe somehow.
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: ruiner on November 29, 2007, 03:47 PM
Taylor was targeted says longtime friend (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/football/nfl/11/29/rolle.taylor.ap/index.html?cnn=yes)
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Matt_Fury on November 29, 2007, 04:54 PM
What really grinds my gears is that I have the NFL network in HD at my house, but I'm out in California for training for my new assignment.   >:(
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Paul on November 29, 2007, 05:30 PM
Ok...checking my "Sports Jinx"...I had until tomorrow to buy my PLAYOFF tickets for the year (even though the Cowboys are not in the playoffs officially yet)...last year when I was forced to do this, they went on a 2nd half swoon...so my prediction is a Green Bay win tonight..not because of their play but because I am the ultimate sports jinx.

Had to get it out before kick off so that we could test the theory.
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: JediMAC on November 29, 2007, 06:03 PM
...so my prediction is a Green Bay win tonight..

Sure hope you're right Paul, even if it's just because of your jinx!  I'm also hoping that Romo's new "chicken of the sea" girlfriend has him a little distracted these days, and that Brett can finally get his first career win in Dallas.  I obviously wouldn't put any money on that, but I'd love to see Green Bay pull off the upset on the road, and take command of the NFC race.  Ridiculous that the second biggest game of the year isn't even nationally televised (on a regular channel), but is just being shown on the NFL network channel.  Guess we're hitting a sports bar tonight...
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Rob on November 29, 2007, 09:42 PM
Looking pretty damn good for the Cowboys so far.

And for my fantasy team.   8)
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Rob on November 29, 2007, 10:45 PM
Ooooooh - maybe I jinxed them.

My team is still doing great though.
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: JediJman on November 30, 2007, 12:26 AM
W#$%@#^ Cowboys!
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: P-Siddy on November 30, 2007, 08:38 AM
W#$%@#^ Cowboys!

That must be your sig talking there, right Justin?  ;)
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Jesse James on December 3, 2007, 03:31 AM
Outstanding game by the Steelers once they got their **** together...  Great defense, pretty decent work by the line keeping pressure off Rothlisberger.  It's always nice beating on Cincy, since they have a lot of guys talking **** before every game they go into.

Too many turn-overs, but one can blame the weather pretty easily there...

Contrary to what you see on TV, believe me we usually don't get that much rain.  If that was snow there wouldn't be a loaf of bread for 100's of miles in either direction. :)
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Darth Broem on December 3, 2007, 07:14 PM
Back to the NFL Network.  We actually get this channel suprisingly.  It's just funny to watch because Bryant Gumble announces the game.  It's like "Where in the hell has that guy been?" 
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Dressel Rebel on December 3, 2007, 09:23 PM
1st quarter - Ravens looked stoked.

Let's see how long this lasts...
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Dressel Rebel on December 3, 2007, 10:09 PM
Oh man that 5 yard penalty and an automatic first down in the Ravens RZ was brutal, that would have held the Pats to a FG attempt instead of the Evans TD.

For all I know the Pats will score 5 TDs in the 2nd half and that wouldn't have mattered.

But that Reed fumble after the interception cost the Ravens another 3 pts on a FG try as well.

Couple mistakes for the Ravens, but they were supposed to be dead by halftime.
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Rob on December 3, 2007, 10:55 PM
The Ravens are playing inspired.

And their crowd is totally into it.

And the wind is probably hurting the Pats passing game a lot.



New England is in big big trouble.
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: P-Siddy on December 3, 2007, 11:34 PM
Looks like NE's about to score... about 1min left in the game and in the red zone.
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: P-Siddy on December 3, 2007, 11:35 PM
4th and 5!
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: P-Siddy on December 3, 2007, 11:37 PM
Penalty on the Ravens... Come on, way to choke on 4th down again!!
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: P-Siddy on December 3, 2007, 11:44 PM
Touchdown NE! 2 point game... Penalty on the Revans, 15 yards! Does Baltimore even want a chance at winning this?
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: P-Siddy on December 3, 2007, 11:50 PM
Baltimore just came short...
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Neal on December 4, 2007, 12:36 AM
Great game. 
It was unfortunate to see all of the boneheaded penalties at the end there.  Seeing that the Ravens came up three yards short, I bet they would've loved to have those 35 penalty yards back that were assessed on the kickoff.
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Rob on December 4, 2007, 10:47 AM
They still started at the 20 after the easy touch-back... so maybe they'd have gotten a big return, but it's not like the penalties led to them being backed up at their own 5.

They made boneheaded penalties all game long.
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Neal on December 4, 2007, 02:37 PM
They still started at the 20 after the easy touch-back... so maybe they'd have gotten a big return, but it's not like the penalties led to them being backed up at their own 5.

They made boneheaded penalties all game long.


True ... but if the kickoff came from the regular spot, they at least would've had a chance for a return ... especially with the way the wind was shifting.  Two yards is two yards.  Any little bit would help. 
I love watching athletes lose their ****.  It rarely turns out positively for them or their team.
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Jayson on December 5, 2007, 03:27 PM
Vikings defensive end suspended by NFL for steroids (http://www.kare11.com/news/news_article.aspx?storyid=361540)[/img]
 ::)

Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: JediJman on December 5, 2007, 05:23 PM
Vikings defensive end suspended by NFL for steroids (http://www.kare11.com/news/news_article.aspx?storyid=361540)[/img]
 ::)



You never get crap like that with the Packers Jay.  Time for you to convert to the Green n' Gold.   ;D
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Scott on December 5, 2007, 05:54 PM
(http://www.drugrehabtexas.com/img/drugpictures/Opiates/vicodin_tablet1.jpg)

Never... ::)
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: JediJman on December 5, 2007, 11:30 PM
Pain killers = steroids?  I didn't realize the educational system in Minnesota was so bad.   ;)
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Mikey D on December 6, 2007, 01:42 PM
Week 14 TV Maps:

CBS Early Game (http://www.the506.com/nflmaps/2007-14-CBS1.html)

CBS Late Game (http://www.the506.com/nflmaps/2007-14-CBS2.html)

Fox Single Game (http://www.the506.com/nflmaps/2007-14-FOX.html)
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: JediJman on December 6, 2007, 02:41 PM
Week 14 TV Maps:

CBS Early Game (http://www.the506.com/nflmaps/2007-14-CBS1.html)

CBS Late Game (http://www.the506.com/nflmaps/2007-14-CBS2.html)

Fox Single Game (http://www.the506.com/nflmaps/2007-14-FOX.html)

Sweet - both the Packers and Vikings are showing for a change!
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: ruiner on December 7, 2007, 09:26 AM
Please tell me nobody watched that Bears "game" last night...
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: JediJman on December 7, 2007, 12:34 PM
Please tell me nobody watched that Bears "game" last night...

Kind of sad, but I actually forgot that it was on.  :-\
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Diddly on December 8, 2007, 01:21 AM
Week 14 TV Maps:

CBS Early Game (http://www.the506.com/nflmaps/2007-14-CBS1.html)

CBS Late Game (http://www.the506.com/nflmaps/2007-14-CBS2.html)

Fox Single Game (http://www.the506.com/nflmaps/2007-14-FOX.html)

God I hate being lumped in with the Houston TV network. First they don't give us Colts/Patriots a few weeks back, now we don't even get the CBS early game, and have to watch the Texans/TB game on Fox instead of the Cowboys/Detroit. Lame.
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Jesse James on December 9, 2007, 11:25 PM
Welp, it isn't the Steelers that are gonna stop the Pats, at least not in the regular season anyway, so there went that...  Though it's been weaker teams that gave them a run for their money, so I don't think they're out of the woods by a longshot.

Pitt's offense was sharp for the most part, but man the secondary ate it...  One can say we were down a pro bowl safety, but that's bull****...  They just chewed us up at times.  It really was a closer game than the score showed I think, so there was that much positive to be looked at...  But that was about it for a Steeler's fan.   :'(
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Paul on December 10, 2007, 09:42 AM
Ok, Yesterday was the final straw for me on something that has been a part of NFL the last several years and it is getting worse (in my opinion)..

If I see another beg for a pass interference call, I will go crazy.  It happens with every team, even the ones I root for, but yesterday, I swear the Detroit Lions begged, whined, cryed, lobbied and pouted for pass interference calls on every single play.  I haven't watched the game film to determine that yet, so it may not have been done on Every play, but I'll let you know.

The animated gestures with the mimic of throwing the flag are my new pet peeve I guess.  It annoys me in all levels of the game (not just pro, since I saw PeeWee kids and the 15 coaches on their sideline do it 3 weeks ago).  I am not making the "role model" argument either, it is just an observation.  It is all teams, all positions (yes I saw a lineman yesterday do it).  I don't mind the coach yelling at the refs, it is his job, but when 3rd wide receiver from the opposite side of the field comes running to the back judge looking like he is trying to sprinkle fairy dust from his hip pouch it gets on my nerves. 

Yes I am old.  I'm not even sure I think it is bad sportsmanship (it may be) it is just annoying.

Now don't get me wrong...in a month and a half when we don't have football, I'll miss the whiny ass receivers, but for now, not so much.  Maybe I was pre-disposed to a bad mood, since I didn't get to watch any College Football on Saturday.

Next week's rant:  The New "Delay of Game" 5 yard penalty.  Holy crap that thing is so lame.  Case in point, a Detroit Lion player is ON THE GROUND after being tackled and in frustration slams the ball on the ground (not spiked as it was still in his hand), it bounces away from him as he gets up...FLAG 5 yards delay of game.  I would have felt sorry for him if the other 10 players on offense had not been looking for a "Pass Inteference" call.
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Rob on December 10, 2007, 10:30 AM
That's because the Lions, and Jon Kitna in particular, are a pack of whining bitches.

Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Mikey D on December 12, 2007, 03:42 PM
Week 15 TV maps:

CBS Single Game (http://www.the506.com/nflmaps/2007-15-CBS.html)

Fox Early Game (http://www.the506.com/nflmaps/2007-15-FOX1.html)

Fox Late Game (http://www.the506.com/nflmaps/2007-15-FOX2.html)
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: JediJman on December 13, 2007, 01:45 PM
Sweet - another week of Packer TV in the land of Viqueens!
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: P-Siddy on December 13, 2007, 04:09 PM
I work this weekend and I'd actually get to see my Eagles play here for once.  >:(
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: GrandMoffNick on December 15, 2007, 03:37 PM
Does anyone think the snow can beat the Patriots?
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: john todd on December 15, 2007, 04:33 PM
Does anyone think the snow can beat the Patriots?

no... it will just mean they will win 21-0 instead of 100-0.
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Dressel Rebel on December 15, 2007, 05:24 PM
Does anyone think the snow can beat the Patriots?

no... it will just mean they will win 21-0 instead of 100-0.

I think it's anyone's game.  Run-heavy offenses will boil down to Thomas Jones and Leon Washington vs. Kevin Faulk and Lawrence Maroney, and a fumble return for a TD could be the difference.

Will the Pats win?  Sure probably.  But I wouldn't be shocked to see a 17-10 or a 21-17 type of affair at all.

I wouldn't fall off my chair if the Jets win this.
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Dressel Rebel on December 16, 2007, 10:16 AM
Pats vs. Jets - snowing currently, changing to rain and ice this afternoon.  25 to 35 mph sustained winds with gusts to 50 mph.

This is gonna be sloppy, messy, and unconventional.

All odds are out the window and this is anyone's game.
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Rob on December 16, 2007, 12:32 PM
Pats vs. Jets - snowing currently, changing to rain and ice this afternoon.  25 to 35 mph sustained winds with gusts to 50 mph.

This is gonna be sloppy, messy, and unconventional.

All odds are out the window and this is anyone's game.

Lucky you - a big storm moving through when you're facing Brady in the playoffs!
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: ruiner on December 16, 2007, 12:40 PM
Man I wish this game was televised in my area...
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Dressel Rebel on December 16, 2007, 02:03 PM
Pats vs. Jets - snowing currently, changing to rain and ice this afternoon.  25 to 35 mph sustained winds with gusts to 50 mph.

This is gonna be sloppy, messy, and unconventional.

All odds are out the window and this is anyone's game.

Lucky you - a big storm moving through when you're facing Brady in the playoffs!


At halftime, this looks like divine intervention.  Cautious optimism.
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Rob on December 16, 2007, 03:58 PM
Meanwhile Moss and Holmes are weather-related-busts.  I need big days out of Jacobs, Romo, and Clark or I'm one-and-done.   ::)

Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Dressel Rebel on December 16, 2007, 04:20 PM
Meanwhile Moss and Holmes are weather-related-busts.  I need big days out of Jacobs, Romo, and Clark or I'm one-and-done.   ::)



Wait, you've got Chargers D, Romo, Jacobs and Dallas Clark vs. Shaun McDonald - with only a 16 point deficit.

You'll probably win by 15 Pts or more.
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Rob on December 16, 2007, 05:10 PM
Maybe... but Clark got shutout last week, Jacobs has been pretty bad for the last few weeks, Romo has 0 passing yards through a quarter, and Chargers D can't do it on their own.

And even if I can get through this week, I might be without Romo - the Cowboys can lock up HFA today.  Of course, I doubt they'll let him go 3 weeks off, so hopefully he'll play another week or 2.

We'll see.
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Dressel Rebel on December 16, 2007, 05:33 PM
and Chargers D can't do it on their own.


LOL.  You watching?   :o
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Rob on December 16, 2007, 05:38 PM
and Chargers D can't do it on their own.


LOL.  You watching?   :o

Nope - I've got the Cowboys/Eagles (the only game on here) - and Romo's sucking it up in a bad way.

Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: P-Siddy on December 16, 2007, 09:00 PM
and Chargers D can't do it on their own.


LOL.  You watching?   :o

Nope - I've got the Cowboys/Eagles (the only game on here) - and Romo's sucking it up in a bad way.



Gotta love that outcome!! Go Eagles!  ;)
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: ruiner on December 18, 2007, 12:42 PM
Somebody please put the Bears out of their misery - from NFC Champs to 5-11.

I take back everything I've ever said about Rex - he's better than Orton:

(http://www.banfilm.com/blog/media/1/20050214-Raising_Arizona_219046.jpg)
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: P-Siddy on December 18, 2007, 03:52 PM
I didn't know Nick Cage played for the Bears under the name of Orton... now it makes sense why they suck.
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Matt_Fury on December 18, 2007, 04:39 PM
Looks like the Giants are playing their all-to-typical end of season crap.  They are playing like they only need to win one game.  Sorry, you aren't going to win a Superbowl with that kind of attitude.  >:(
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Rob on December 18, 2007, 06:05 PM
Looks like the Giants are playing their all-to-typical end of season crap.  They are playing like they only need to win one game.  Sorry, you aren't going to win a Superbowl with that kind of attitude.  >:(

I'm hoping like hell the Giants end up playing Tampa in the WC round.  I don't think anyone is worried about Eli coming to Tampa and putting up points.
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Dressel Rebel on December 18, 2007, 07:00 PM


I'm hoping like hell the Giants end up playing Tampa in the WC round.  I don't think anyone is worried about Eli coming to Tampa and putting up points.


I wouldn't be quite so eager if I were you.  He's inaccurate as hell, but he could just as easily explode for 40 points.  Not to mention, I really doubt you want to face our defense at this juncture.  Not unless Jeff Garcia can throw the ball well from his back, anyhow.
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Rob on December 18, 2007, 10:12 PM


I'm hoping like hell the Giants end up playing Tampa in the WC round.  I don't think anyone is worried about Eli coming to Tampa and putting up points.


I wouldn't be quite so eager if I were you.  He's inaccurate as hell, but he could just as easily explode for 40 points.  Not to mention, I really doubt you want to face our defense at this juncture.  Not unless Jeff Garcia can throw the ball well from his back, anyhow.

The Bucs are 3rd in the league in total defense and are tied for 1st in the league with Pittsburgh in Points Per Game.

Kiffen knows how to put together a defensive game plan to mess with young innaccurate QB's - nothing about Eli scares me - especially playing in Tampa.

17 points should do it - and I think that Garcia could come up with that many.

And at the rate things are going, it'll be the Saints and Vikings with the wild-card anyway.
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Dressel Rebel on December 18, 2007, 10:17 PM

The Bucs tied for 1st in the league with Pittsburgh in Points Per Game.



Which league?  Not the National Football League.  I would think that's the Patriots.




17 points should do it - and I think that Garcia could come up with that many.

You're on.  If they play, we bet a figure.
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: JediMAC on December 18, 2007, 10:25 PM

        The Bucs tied for 1st in the league with Pittsburgh in Points Per Game.

Which league?  Not the National Football League.  I would think that's the Patriots.

Rob was referring to points allowed per game.
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Rob on December 18, 2007, 11:11 PM
Sorry - yeah, I was talking about defensive stats - the ones that matter when we're discussing the possibility of Manning putting up 40 points on them.
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Dressel Rebel on December 19, 2007, 12:14 AM
We're gonna slap the Bucs and call 'em Susan.
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: P-Siddy on December 19, 2007, 11:01 AM
Not without Shockey, I'd say. Despite being an Eagles fan, that's a tough loss for the team.
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Dressel Rebel on December 19, 2007, 11:31 AM
Not without Shockey, I'd say. Despite being an Eagles fan, that's a tough loss for the team.

Oh yeah we're going to miss that season total of 3 TDs.  He's just a force.  ::)

If our TE were Gates, Winslow, Clark or Witten, I'd agree.  Shockey?  Let's see, he broke his leg, Kevin Boss came in, BANG!  Touchdown.

Among TE's in today's NFL, Shockey is very very average.  His average game: 43 yards, 0.2 TDs.
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: JediJman on December 19, 2007, 11:34 AM
Not without Shockey, I'd say. Despite being an Eagles fan, that's a tough loss for the team.

Oh yeah we're going to miss that season total of 3 TDs.  He's just a force.  ::)

If our TE were Gates, Winslow, Clark or Witten, I'd agree.  Shockey?  Let's see, he broke his leg, Kevin Boss came in, BANG!  Touchdown.

Among TE's in today's NFL, Shockey is very very average.

Shockey sucks.  Everyone knows Donald Lee is the best tight end in the league.  ;D
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: P-Siddy on December 19, 2007, 02:22 PM
Well, Shockey is better than Eli... so what's that say for your QB?  ::)
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: JediJman on December 19, 2007, 03:18 PM
Well, Shockey is better than Eli... so what's that say for your QB?  ::)

Shockey is better than Eli?  You mean he's better at being a tight end than Eli is at being a QB?  Or do you think Shockey might be a better QB than Eli?  I guess that is possible!   ;)

I will say that the Giants are somewhat hosed on offense without Shockey just because Burress has been banged up and they no longer have a receiving threat RB like Barber was.   Eli's had some okay games this year, but I'm not sure what people expect with no one to throw to.  Its not like A. Toomer is going to light up opposing defenses, especially not by himself.

Doesn't really matter.  I have seen the future and its Packers over the Patriots in the Super Bowl 28 to 24.
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Mikey D on December 20, 2007, 11:42 AM
Week 16 TV maps:

CBS Early Game (http://www.the506.com/nflmaps/2007-16-CBS1.html)

CBS Late Game (http://www.the506.com/nflmaps/2007-16-CBS2.html)

Fox Single Game (http://www.the506.com/nflmaps/2007-16-FOX.html)

Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Dressel Rebel on December 20, 2007, 12:16 PM


I will say that the Giants are somewhat hosed on offense without Shockey

Like I said, 40 yards and 0.2 TDs per game.  Honestly I think I could do that.  I'm sure Kevin Boss can handle that massive load.
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Rob on December 20, 2007, 02:27 PM
I'm with Dressel on this one.  Shockey did **** this year.  Unless his blocking was superior to Boss's, they won't miss him.
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: ruiner on December 20, 2007, 02:50 PM
Fans only miss Shockey because of his 'patriotic' tattoo.

And it's Boss'.


 ;)

Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Dressel Rebel on December 20, 2007, 04:00 PM

And it's Boss'.

 ;)


Until you join our fantasy league, and win a championship over Rob or I, it's whatever the hell we say it is.

Come get some.


 :)
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: ruiner on December 20, 2007, 04:10 PM
(http://www.chromewaves.net/images/interface/20070807mattDamon.jpg)
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Jesse James on December 21, 2007, 03:00 AM
League Rushing leader is done, and Steelers fans are just throwing our hands up in disgust at what else could go wrong...  Which I'm sure more can.

Last week's loss to Jacksonville stung bigtime, and the Steeler's rebounded against St. Louis tonight with a much-needed win, but at a hefty cost...  Willie Parker's done for the season, and that just sucks bigtime.

And like the latter half of the season in general, our O-Line gave nothing for pass blocking, and our defense got chewed up by a good running back, again.  The secondary at least looked a little better, but it's amazing what having Pollamalu back can do for that.

The bright spot was that Najeh Davenport was running like a madman in this game, and granted it wasn't a solid defense he was against, it still was impressive.  Word is they're already talking to Veron Haynes to come in and help plug the big friggin' gap now left by Parker's season ending.  So much for his first pro-bowl too.

If you had him on your fantasy team, my condolences.   ::)
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: JediJman on December 21, 2007, 10:11 AM
Davenport looked incredible.  Sucks to lose your #1 guy, but I think the Steelers might actually be better off with Najeh than Willie.  Nice to see the Rams throw three TD passes and none of them went to Holt - my condolences to anyone that had him playing in their super bowl this week.   :-\
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Rob on December 21, 2007, 10:23 AM
Davenport looked incredible.  Sucks to lose your #1 guy, but I think the Steelers might actually be better off with Najeh than Willie.

Doubtful.  That might work against the Rams - but it probably wont' in the playoffs.

Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Jesse James on December 21, 2007, 02:34 PM
Parker's the #1 rusher in the league, a pro-bowl bound undrafted star that is explosive on offense...  As much as I sometimes dislike his style because of his size issues, Davenport is no Parker...  Not to say Davenport can't hold his own, but Davenport tends to run more like Bettis than Parker, and the factors that he'd need to succeed are not real good..

He looked good against the rams, but he bounced most of his runs to the outside that he had large gains on.  Doing that against a team with a strong defensive line, or even strong defensive ends, is going to be difficult for him...  Parker could exploit defensive ends even if they were all-stars...  Davenport isn't going to be as successful.

As a Steelers fan, I am hopeful, but as a realistic person I'm looking at it cringing...  Not to mention our offensive line's pass blocking isn't their only problem they have at times.  Against strong defensive teams, we may not be able to open holes for Davenport to get little (or big) runs up the middle, and you can't bounce every run to the outside. 

It was a huge, HUGE loss for them...  Davenport's not bad or he wouldn't be there, but he just isn't capable of the things Parker does I'm afraid.
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Dressel Rebel on December 21, 2007, 03:45 PM
Davenport looked incredible.  Sucks to lose your #1 guy, but I think the Steelers might actually be better off with Najeh than Willie.

Doubtful.  That might work against the Rams - but it probably wont' in the playoffs.



Honestly, what was going to work in the AFC games against the Colts or Patriots anyhow?  My guess is, not much.
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Rob on December 21, 2007, 05:24 PM
I dunno... Jacksonville played the Colts real tough, and if the Eagles can almost beat the Pats, other teams could give them a run for it.
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Neal on December 21, 2007, 08:08 PM
I dunno... Jacksonville played the Colts real tough, and if the Eagles can almost beat the Pats, other teams could give them a run for it.

True ... but right now I'd put the Steelers fifth on the AFC depth chart.  I think the Chargers are playing well enough now to inch ahead of them.
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Rob on December 22, 2007, 10:36 AM
Maybe, but the Chargers would need a Steelers loss to Baltimore next week.  Possible, but doubtful.
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: JediJman on December 22, 2007, 03:33 PM
Parker's the #1 rusher in the league, a pro-bowl bound undrafted star that is explosive on offense...  As much as I sometimes dislike his style because of his size issues, Davenport is no Parker... Davenport's not bad or he wouldn't be there, but he just isn't capable of the things Parker does I'm afraid.

I totally disagree.  Parker is #1 in rushing yards, but only because the Steelers overused him, and surprise surprise, he ends up injured before the end of the season.  Parker has had 321 attempts and 1316 yards rushing.  Compare that to Tomlinson at 1311 (pretty much the same) with just 280 attempts.  Heck, anyone could run for 1316 yards if they ran enough plays.

So let's put things on an even playing field.  WP averaged just 4.1 yards per carry.  That's hardly what I would call "explosive."  In fact, that's hardly in the top 60 of RB's and there's only 32 teams in the league.  Davenport?  He's at least at 5.0 yards per carry and definitely showed his "explosiveness" in this week's game. 

Parker also has just two TDs and four fumbles as a starter in 15 games...not a very good ratio compared to most NFL backs.  And since he's had 32 more carries than the next closest guy, you can't say he hasn't had his chances to score.  Davenport has four rushing TDs and two receiving TDs, with just one fumble, and that's with much less playing time than WP.  Add in that Davenport has fresh legs and a much bigger frame...not sure why Steeler fans wouldn't be jumping for joy that Najeh is finally getting a shot. 
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Dressel Rebel on December 22, 2007, 06:35 PM


I totally disagree.  Parker is #1 in rushing yards, but only because the Steelers overused him, and surprise surprise, he ends up injured before the end of the season. 

I agree with your post, but I don't think a broken leg is an "overuse" injury.  That's the kind of freak thing that can happen on the first play of the season, or any other time.

I'd take Tomlinson over Parker any day, that's for sure.
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: JediJman on December 22, 2007, 07:14 PM


I totally disagree.  Parker is #1 in rushing yards, but only because the Steelers overused him, and surprise surprise, he ends up injured before the end of the season. 

I agree with your post, but I don't think a broken leg is an "overuse" injury.  That's the kind of freak thing that can happen on the first play of the season, or any other time.

I'd take Tomlinson over Parker any day, that's for sure.

Well, I'll give you that, though I do still think they've overused him.  Maybe he would have lasted without the freak broken leg, but that's still a fast way to burn out a running back.  Just pray your Steelers won't last long enough to face my Packers.   ;D
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Neal on December 22, 2007, 08:11 PM
Maybe, but the Chargers would need a Steelers loss to Baltimore next week.  Possible, but doubtful.

I'm not saying that I think they will be seeded higher than the Steelers.  I just think they're better at this point.  I realize that the Chargers will most likely be the lower seed.
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Paul on December 23, 2007, 08:30 AM
I lost count of begged Pass Interference calls halfway through the second quarter of last night's Cowboys-Panthers Game.

Why was I so distracted?  The WORST Booth team in the history of sports was calling the game.  I used to feel sorry for people who don't get the NFL Network, but after suffering through Bryant Mumble  and Chris Collingsworth, I feel sorry for those of us that do. 

You know it is bad when my wife is laughing at them.
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: JediJman on December 23, 2007, 10:26 AM
Yeah yeah yeah.  Must be nice to actually have the NFL Network.  I've missed two games already this week and its not even Sunday at noon.   >:(
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Matt_Fury on December 23, 2007, 01:42 PM


I will say that the Giants are somewhat hosed on offense without Shockey

Like I said, 40 yards and 0.2 TDs per game.  Honestly I think I could do that.  I'm sure Kevin Boss can handle that massive load.

What the Giants are going to lose with Shockey out is that he's one hell of a blocker.
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Rob on December 24, 2007, 01:22 AM
I saw that Boss had no effect on the game...  did someone else start?
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Jesse James on December 24, 2007, 01:47 AM
I can't say I disagree with you totally JediJman, I think you're missing my point is all...  When I call Parker explosive, I'm sure if you broke down his rushing yards and his carries this year, you'd see his average is earned because of an "explosive" burst where he got way more than his average.  And that's where I DON'T care for Parker, as a Steelers fan.

I like him when he does good, but his size doesn't match well with the past offenses, and ones I'm more personally comfortable watching, within the Steelers.  Bettis carried a bunch of guys on his back, and maybe didn't get you the first down, but you got damn close to it...  Parker, he gets stonewalled when he faces defenses that are good against the run.

Add into that, that the Steeler's line has SUCKED this year at any given moment.  They have good moments, so don't get me wrong, but they've fallen apart at any given moment, and that's where I don't care for a guy like Parker's running style...  Bettis could have a weaker line in front, or a stronger defense against him, and you could count on certain things out of him.  Parker it's not so "constant", or reliable.  He's fun to watch when he's on and all, but I prefer slow/steady over that.

That said, Davenport's record isn't the best over the long haul, and again I cite the weaker offensive line the Steelers have going.  And this is from a fan too, so I'm trying to be as loyal as I can, but at the same time I can't help but see a guy like Davenport getting stonewalled against some of the teams we're going to see in the playoffs, based on his past performances.  He's not a guy that adjusts well if a hole's opened up elsewhere, he doesn't bounce outside at all generally, and last week was no litmus test of what he's able to do, or not to do.

I hope he's going to do good though, as a fan.  I think he's capable, and anything can happen, but I'm just not "sure" yet as a fan.

Parker though, he IS good at bouncing outside, looking for a new opening...  It's not my favored style of running game, and it's not as reliable against better teams IMO, but whatever.  It's neither here nor there, and the Steelers are going to have to revert back to a different style of run game.

I'm by no means one of the panicers in the city who are ready to drop the run and let Roethlisberger throw all day though.  You run, you get what you can, and you hope for the best out of your linemen and back(s) in the process, and that it, combined with the pass game, can give you the control and points you're looking for.

I will say, I think comparing the stats of the two men is really unfair based on how they both play/run the ball, and things.  I too don't feel Parker was overused...  Davenport's had lots of carries this year, he just wasn't effective generally when he was carrying the ball, for the duties they were usually assigning to him.  Lots of shorts and goal line stuff he didn't come through on.

I'm excited for the playoffs, but at the same time you hate to go into them losing your starting running back like that...  I will say, I'm more concerned about the Offensive Line stepping up, and the Defense in general playing like they have down the stretch.  >:(
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Dressel Rebel on December 24, 2007, 02:04 PM
I saw that Boss had no effect on the game...  did someone else start?

Nah, I watched the whole game and saw him on the field.

The reason that he had no effect was the weather conditions.  It was windy as HELL, and pouring rain, then snow.  So the Giants rushed 47 times yesterday, and completed just 7 passes.  Most were to Toomer, and I think Burress and Jacobs each grabbed one.  I don't know what the record is, but that must have been awfully close to the least number of completions in an NFL game in history.
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Rob on December 24, 2007, 02:47 PM
I don't know what the record is, but that must have been awfully close to the least number of completions in an NFL game in history.

Just last week Chris Redman completed 4 of 15 for 34 yards against the Bucs.  And the weather was fine. :)

http://scores.espn.go.com/nfl/boxscore?gameId=271216027
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Paul on December 24, 2007, 09:10 PM
I just switched over to the Monday Night football game...

I apologize to Gumble and Collingsworth...you are not the WORST booth crew in the NFL.....  Dead air and commercials could not be worse than the MNF crew...

But the ESPN commercials are pretty good this year...

"If you are already a Dynasty, what comes after that?"  pretty good line (despite any feelings one way or another for the team in question)
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Dressel Rebel on December 25, 2007, 12:37 AM

Just last week Chris Redman...


LOL.  Who?

I think the low amount of completions just seemed so dreadful because I'm a hardcore Giants fan hanging on every throw.  So obviously the record is 4 completions or less.  Pretty remarkable, really.
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Dressel Rebel on December 25, 2007, 10:21 AM
The Giants are going to bitch slap the Bucs from end of the field to the other.  Book it.
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Rob on December 25, 2007, 03:31 PM
Finally a prediction you're in pretty good shape to miss on.

The Bucs are going to make Manning look like Ryan Leaf.    :D
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Dressel Rebel on December 26, 2007, 07:45 PM
Strahan, on Garcia, book it!

(http://www.gothamist.com/sports/images/strahan.jpg)
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Rob on December 26, 2007, 11:10 PM
I'd expect that to happen a few times - but the ball will probably be falling into Galloway's waiting arms about 50 yards away.   :)

Garcia is 2-0 against the Giants in the playoffs - nothing about this match up gives me any reason to think he won't stay perfect.
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: ruiner on December 27, 2007, 12:08 PM
Looks like NBC somehow managed to pick up the Pats game this Saturday.

Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Rob on December 27, 2007, 12:16 PM
I read last night that Arlen Specter is threatening some sort of Congressional action and that the NFL Network caved in.  Apparently NBC and CBS are both going to air the game - the first time there has been a simultaneous broadcast of an NFL game since Superbowl I - or so I read last evening...
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Matt_Fury on December 29, 2007, 06:09 PM
Luckily the Football Gods have smiled on me and I will get the game tonight on the NFL network, which means I get to see it in HD.  The local Colorado Springs channels are not currently broadcast in HD on DirecTv yet, so with my Dad visiting, watching the Giants in HD is awesome!   ;D
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Dressel Rebel on December 31, 2007, 06:31 AM
Fasten your seatbelts.

Saturday

4:30 PM EST on NBC:    (http://msn.foxsports.com/fe/img/NFL/TeamLogo/Medium/28.gif)  vs.  (http://msn.foxsports.com/fe/img/NFL/TeamLogo/Medium/26.gif)

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8 PM EST on NBC:    (http://msn.foxsports.com/fe/img/NFL/TeamLogo/Medium/30.gif)  vs.  (http://msn.foxsports.com/fe/img/NFL/TeamLogo/Medium/23.gif)

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Sunday

1 PM EST on FOX:    (http://msn.foxsports.com/fe/img/NFL/TeamLogo/Medium/19.gif)   vs.  (http://msn.foxsports.com/fe/img/NFL/TeamLogo/Medium/27.gif)

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4:30 PM EST on CBS:    (http://msn.foxsports.com/fe/img/NFL/TeamLogo/Medium/10.gif)   vs.  (http://msn.foxsports.com/fe/img/NFL/TeamLogo/Medium/24.gif)

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1st round bye: (http://msn.foxsports.com/fe/img/NFL/TeamLogo/Small/17.gif)    (http://msn.foxsports.com/fe/img/NFL/TeamLogo/Small/11.gif)    (http://msn.foxsports.com/fe/img/NFL/TeamLogo/Small/6.gif)    (http://msn.foxsports.com/fe/img/NFL/TeamLogo/Small/9.gif)


Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Mikey D on December 31, 2007, 11:40 AM
Wild Card:
Redskins over Seahawks
Jags over Steelers
Bucs over Giants
Chargers over Titans

Divisional:
Pats over Jags
Colts over Chargers
Cowboys over Redskins
Packers over Bucs

Championship:
Pats over Colts
Cowboys over Packers

Super Bowl:
Pats over Cowboys
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Dressel Rebel on December 31, 2007, 05:10 PM
Wild Card:
Redskins over Seahawks
Jags over Steelers
Bucs over Giants
Chargers over Titans

Divisional:
Pats over Jags
Colts over Chargers
Cowboys over Redskins
Packers over Bucs

Championship:
Pats over Colts
Cowboys over Packers

Super Bowl:
Pats over Cowboys

I will take this round by round to assess injuries etc. after each game.

Wild Card round:

Seahawks over Redskins
Steelers over Jaguars
Giants bitch slap the Bucs from one goal line to the other
Chargers demolish the Titans
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Scott on December 31, 2007, 06:05 PM
I agree w/ Dressel...injuries kill these sort of long term predictions

Redskins over Seahawks
Bucs over Giants
Chargers over Titans
Jags over Steelers
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Rob on December 31, 2007, 08:49 PM
I'll play the odds and take the home team across the board.

Bucs don't bitch slap the Giants, but they do pull off the win.  I'm guessing Garcia spends half the day running for his life, but Eli throws a few boneheaded interceptions and the Bucs edge the G-men.  Maybe something like 24-20.
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Jesse James on January 6, 2008, 03:24 AM
Welp, my season of rooting for someone ended rather abruptly.  ;D

With the Steelers out (and if you told me they'd be out because Roethlisberger threw 3 Int's, I'd never have guessed it, considering I knew it'd be out O-Line that killed us, which it did in its own way and attributed to the Int's, but I digress), I'm not sure who I'm pulling for...  Part of me instictively goes against the Pats, yet at the same time...  I dunno.

I'll take it game-by-game I guess...  Here we go Penguins! :P
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Dressel Rebel on January 6, 2008, 03:50 PM
(http://www.acc-tv.com/images/globalnews/spo_ft_newyorkgiants_1006.jpg)
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: P-Siddy on January 6, 2008, 04:23 PM
(http://www.acc-tv.com/images/globalnews/spo_ft_newyorkgiants_1006.jpg)

 ;)

As much as I'm not an Eli fan, I think I'd prefer the Giants over the Cowboys.  :D
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Rob on January 6, 2008, 11:00 PM
Congrats Dressel - that was an ass kicking.

Very disappointing, but it's hard to be disappointed with a playoff appearance considering the Bucs were 4-12 a year ago.

Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: JediJman on January 6, 2008, 11:20 PM
Blah blah blah.  This week's NFC games were totally pointless, seing as how the PAckers are going to the SuperBowl. 
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Oboewan on January 7, 2008, 02:01 PM
Saturday was just sooo damn painful for me as a Skins/Steelers fan.
To quote Ramblin Sandy Pitnik (I think) from A Mighty Wind:
"Whaa  Happan?"

Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Mikey D on January 9, 2008, 03:21 PM

Divisional:
Pats over Jags
Colts over Chargers
Cowboys over Redskins
Packers over Bucs


I'll keep the same four teams advancing to the championship games, even though two of them will be beating different teams than I originally thought to get there...
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: JediJman on January 9, 2008, 04:29 PM


Divisional:
Pats over Jags
Colts over Chargers
Cowboys over Redskins
Packers over Bucs


Everyone's picking these four this week.  What's your confidence level in each?  Any potential upsets? I'm a little more worried about Seattle upsetting Green Bay and The Giants looked pretty good, so there's some potential to upset Dallas with Romo not doing so well towards the end of the season and Owens banged up...
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: john todd on January 9, 2008, 06:00 PM
the only one that seems like a slam dunk is the pats over the jags.  the other 3 underdogs all have a lot of momentum under them.  my level of confidence is something like"

90% pats over jags
70% colts over chargers
75% packers over seahawks
60% cowboys over giants
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: ruiner on January 10, 2008, 03:04 PM
Pats
Chargers
Packers
Giants

Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Dressel Rebel on January 10, 2008, 05:40 PM
Pats
Colts
Packers
Giants
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: evenflow on January 12, 2008, 10:17 PM
I hate the damn Patriots  >:(
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: JediJman on January 12, 2008, 10:47 PM
I hate the damn Patriots  >:(

I love the damn Seahawks.  Favre and the Pack are just one game away from another UberBowl.   ;D
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: evenflow on January 12, 2008, 11:09 PM
I hate the damn Patriots  >:(

I love the damn Seahawks.  Favre and the Pack are just one game away from another UberBowl.   ;D

I am hoping for Green Bay this year as well.
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Morgbug on January 13, 2008, 04:18 PM
San Diego wins :o
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: ruiner on January 13, 2008, 04:20 PM
Pats
Chargers
Packers
Giants



Both Mannings will lose today.

I'd like to change my last pick to Dallas (game hasn't started yet).
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Nicklab on January 13, 2008, 07:56 PM
GIANTS WIN!!!!!  GIANTS WIN!!!!!
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: ruiner on January 13, 2008, 08:13 PM
 :-X
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Paul on January 13, 2008, 08:48 PM
Jessica Simpson owes all us Dallas fans a weekend in Mexico...it is only fair.

I now have Zero interest in the rest of the season.

My hope is that they cut everyone but Ware and Nick Folk. But at least I had to BUY tickets for next weekends non-existant game...

Now to dig out my Stars jersey and jinx their season.
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: JediJman on January 13, 2008, 09:25 PM
Both Mannings will lose today.

I'd like to change my last pick to Dallas (game hasn't started yet).

HAHAHAHA!  Now that was funny.  Normally couldn't care whether Dallas wins or not, but nice for the Giants to have to come to Green Bay next week.  Here's hoping we get another snow storm!   ;D
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Scott on January 13, 2008, 09:39 PM
I think the Pack-Giants game will be closer than a lot of people think, the Giants D can put tons of pressure on Favre and that is when he gets in trouble.

The Bolts better hope LT, Gates and Rivers are back or it could be 70-0

I'll go with a Super Bowl XXXI rematch...Patriots vs Packers
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Dressel Rebel on January 13, 2008, 10:20 PM
(http://www.acc-tv.com/images/globalnews/spo_ft_newyorkgiants_1006.jpg)

Giants vs. Pats Super Bowl coming up!

(http://pubpages.unh.edu/~det3/IMAGES/92B.jpg)
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Neal on January 13, 2008, 10:44 PM
I'm so glad there's going to be another playoff game in Lambeau this year.
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Matt_Fury on January 13, 2008, 10:59 PM
Both NFC games were really exciting this weekend.  I was thrilled that the Giants won and hope they can go on and win the whole thing.  If they keep playing like they have since the Patriots game, it's very possible.
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: JediJman on January 14, 2008, 01:15 AM
Both NFC games were really exciting this weekend.  I was thrilled that the Giants won and hope they can go on and win the whole thing.  If they keep playing like they have since the Patriots game, it's very possible.

You may have missed the Packers and their 42 points against the Pondhawks this weekend.  I hope the Giants do some nice sight seeing in Green Bay and take the opportunity to get Favre's autograph, cuz they aren't leaving with anything else.  Packers - Patriots: 1996 Super Bowl Grudge Match!
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Jesse James on January 14, 2008, 01:29 AM
I'm pulling for the Packers too...  After the Steelers flubbed the first round, my level of "caring" went down, but I certainly didn't want to see Jacksonville go on out of principle, and I'm not much of a Patriots fan.  Seahawks aren't high on my list either...  I'd like to see Favre get something done and end it too.

So I'm pulling for the Pack...
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: ruiner on January 14, 2008, 09:33 AM
Personally, I'd like to see the Packers and the Pats go at it.  Now there's a match up you don't see very often.

That and I don't care for the Manning brothers.

Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Paul on January 14, 2008, 10:35 AM
A San Diego vs New York Superbowl would have the Drama of Archie Manning telling the NFL to let Eli win it, since his brother got to win one last year.
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Rob on January 14, 2008, 11:41 AM
A San Diego vs New York Superbowl would have the Drama of Archie Manning telling the NFL to let Eli win it, since his brother got to win one last year.

Plus there was the whole thing where Manning refused to play for the Chargers.



That said, I'm sure the league would much rather see a Pats/Pack match up - I know I would.

Favre back in the big game would be great.


Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Neal on January 14, 2008, 12:50 PM
That said, I'm sure the league would much rather see a Pats/Pack match up - I know I would.

Favre back in the big game would be great.




I'm sure the NFL (and Fox) are drooling over the possibility ... not that having the Giants in the big game wouldn't be good for ratings as well.  Still ... Favre against Brady is appealing.  Can the rejuvenated future Hall of Famer stop the perfect season?  I'd watch it.
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Paul on January 14, 2008, 01:17 PM
A San Diego vs New York Superbowl would have the Drama of Archie Manning telling the NFL to let Eli win it, since his brother got to win one last year.

Plus there was the whole thing where Manning refused to play for the Chargers.



That is what I was alluding to..

It would be neat to see Philip Rivers raising the Lombardi Trophy while Eli sat there mouth-breathing and crying to his daddy that he wanted a do-over.

I do like watching playoff football in the Snow...that is really fun. 
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Dressel Rebel on January 14, 2008, 01:50 PM
That's good stuff everyone - but too bad Umenyiora and Strahan are going to drop Favre like he's hot.

This Bowl's gonna be NY vs. NE.
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Dressel Rebel on January 14, 2008, 01:54 PM


That said, I'm sure the league would much rather see a Pats/Pack match up - I know I would.



Sure.  Or Pats vs. Bucs.

 :-X
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: evenflow on January 14, 2008, 02:51 PM
Well i just want to see the Pats lose and i think that the Packers have a better chance of doing it. (That and I am a Jets fan so i pretty much have to hate the Giants  ;D, although not as much as the Pats or the Dolphins)
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: JediJman on January 14, 2008, 03:06 PM
That's good stuff everyone - but too bad Umenyiora and Strahan are going to drop Favre like he's hot.

This Bowl's gonna be NY vs. NE.

Nice to see your team make it so far, but they've got zero chance of keeping up with the Pack at historic Lambeau Field.  Green Bay even spotted Seattle 14pts at the start of the game and STILL ended up scoring 42...imagine what they could do if they were really trying?  I just hope San Diego can muster enough healthy offensive players to field a team against the Pats this week.   ::)
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Rob on January 14, 2008, 03:40 PM


That said, I'm sure the league would much rather see a Pats/Pack match up - I know I would.



Sure.  Or Pats vs. Bucs.

 :-X

Nah, I'm not trying to suggest there was any ratins benefit attached to the Bucs this year - not a single one of their games was televised nationally until the playoff loss to the G-men.

The year they won the Superbowl there was a great ratings angle though - #1 defense vs. #1 offense - Gruden against his former team...  And it was the highest rated Superbowl in many many years (maybe ever, I can't remember) at the time.

Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Rob on January 14, 2008, 03:41 PM
A San Diego vs New York Superbowl would have the Drama of Archie Manning telling the NFL to let Eli win it, since his brother got to win one last year.

Plus there was the whole thing where Manning refused to play for the Chargers.



That is what I was alluding to..

It would be neat to see Philip Rivers raising the Lombardi Trophy while Eli sat there mouth-breathing and crying to his daddy that he wanted a do-over.

I do like watching playoff football in the Snow...that is really fun. 

Yeah - missed your allusion.  When you threw Peyton into it, I read your post as Archie wanting both his kids to have a trophy.
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Dressel Rebel on January 14, 2008, 04:21 PM

Nice to see your team make it so far, but they've got zero chance of keeping up with the Pack at historic Lambeau Field. 

0% ?  I think you might be slightly underestimating the Giants.



Green Bay even spotted Seattle 14pts at the start of the game and STILL ended up scoring 42...imagine what they could do if they were really trying? 

The Packers could just as easily come out and put up 17 against the Giants D.

I do not believe in the Packers.  I think Favre is an interception machine who has been pretty lucky this year.  I think the Giants front 4 have what it takes to force him to throw a bunch of picks.

I think it's going to come down to Eli most likely.  If he's on, we win.  If he's not, we still might win.

The Giants D is gonna hold the Pack to a low score.
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Scott on January 14, 2008, 04:26 PM
I agree with Dressel...the Giants have the pass rush to get to Favre and in turn force Interceptions (like 3-4).  Ryan Grant is the biggest X-factor in the game and could be the difference.  Home field should also mean something, if not for the Giants being Road Warriors
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Matt_Fury on January 14, 2008, 04:43 PM
I don't think the Giants are getting their fair due.  I know that they will have a tough game up in Green Bay and if the weather's bad it will only be tougher but no one in the media is congratulating them on playing one hell of a game against the Cowboys.

ESPN's big story is whose fault is it that the Cowboys lost, and they keep showing T.O. crying like a little girl (which I do enjoy watching).

How about showing how the Giants offense has had no turnovers in the playoffs?  How about that the Giants defense compensated for a weakness in the secondary by pushing hard on the front and putting a lot of pressure on Romo resulting in a couple of sacks and even more blown throws.  How about the Giants special teams basically kicking ass and taking names?

I think it's going to be a good, hard fought game up at Lambeau and the winner will win the Superbowl.
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: john todd on January 14, 2008, 07:08 PM
i think the media would be kinder to the giants if they had beaten the cowboys in any other stat other than final score.  i know that is the only one that matters, but it makes the seem soft and lucky.
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: P-Siddy on January 14, 2008, 08:31 PM
I just think that the Giants are putting a solid effort into their games lately, and I am glad to see them beat the Cowboys. But it's a shame that they aren't getting their due. They played just as hard as the other 3 teams and earned it like the rest. I guess maybe the media feels the wrong Manning is still in the playoffs. Still, I think the next match is going to be tough at Lambeau, but I'm not going to say they can't win.
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: JediJman on January 14, 2008, 08:45 PM
I do not believe in the Packers.  I think Favre is an interception machine who has been pretty lucky this year.  I think the Giants front 4 have what it takes to force him to throw a bunch of picks.

An "interception machine?"  Really? He has 15 so far this year - just five more and he'll have as many as Eli.  Does that make Manning an "interception Skynet?"   ;)  And remember, Favre doesn't have a 6'5 receiver like Burress helping his game. 

Yeah, he's thrown a lot of INTs over the years, but that's because he's had no talent around and him and put all the pressure on himself to win games.  He's not doing that this year - he's taking what the defense gives him and that's why they're winning games.  Having Ryan Grant roll for 200+ yards in a game certainly isn't hurting either. 
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: JediJman on January 14, 2008, 08:46 PM
I just think that the Giants are putting a solid effort into their games lately... Still, I think the next match is going to be tough at Lambeau, but I'm not going to say they can't win.

Okay, I'll say it.  They can't win.   ;D
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: ruiner on January 15, 2008, 11:44 AM
I think it's going to be a good, hard fought game up at Lambeau and the winner will win the Superbowl.

Wow, that's a bold prediction.
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Rob on January 15, 2008, 04:13 PM
Temperature at kick off is slated to be 3 degrees.

I'll take the Pack.
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Mikey D on January 15, 2008, 04:30 PM
Pats and Pack will win Sunday.  One game will be a blowout, the other will be competitive.  I'll let others figure out which.

And then we'll have (not the original) LT bitching and moaning and calling the Pats classless.

And then we'll have two weeks of the media sucking Brett Favre off.

And then we'll have 95% of the country rooting for the NFC team.

And then we'll have the only 19-0 team in NFL history...
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: john todd on January 15, 2008, 05:08 PM
And then we'll have 95% of the country rooting for the NFC team.

i think you might be underestimating.  its kinda weird that pretty much everyone gives the pats their props, but there aren't alot of bandwagoners around the country.
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Matt_Fury on January 15, 2008, 06:08 PM
I think it's going to be a good, hard fought game up at Lambeau and the winner will win the Superbowl.

Wow, that's a bold prediction.

I just don't think the Patriots are invincible.  The Giants would've won the game if Eli had not thrown that interception and if they play again I think the Giants can come out with a win.  The Packers are also a tough, resourceful team and they can beat the Patriots.
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Mikey D on January 15, 2008, 07:21 PM
And then we'll have 95% of the country rooting for the NFC team.

i think you might be underestimating.  its kinda weird that pretty much everyone gives the pats their props, but there aren't alot of bandwagoners around the country.

Maybe it's not 95%, but the vast majority of the country will be rooting for the NFC representative.  The Pats went from the lowly underdogs to a very hated team because of their success, the whole Spygate thing, the whole running up the score ****, the way Belichick is viewed, the undefeated record, etc, etc, etc.  You'll have the grizzled old vet trying to win one last SB before he retires or the younger Manning trying to see if he can come out from under his brother's shadow.  People may respect what the Pats have done, but that doesn't mean they'll root for them to win.

I don't think the SB will be a blowout.  We already know the Giants can hang with the Pats and the Pack are very well balanced.   But it will be drilled into the Pats' players that yes, 18-0 is great but it doesn't mean dick if its not 19-0.  They'll be ready to play.  The Super Bowl isn't the game to have a letdown (which I think they already did with the Philly and Baltimore games.  They just found a way to win those).

(And yes I may be looking pass the Bolts, but I guarantee the Pats aren't doing the same thing.  They'll talk about how good the Chargers are, it'll be a tough game, blah, blah, blah.  I think they don't have a chance.  Too many injuries and the Pats are just too good.  That's a fan talking, not the Patriots).
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: JediJman on January 15, 2008, 09:55 PM
Pats and Pack will win Sunday.  One game will be a blowout, the other will be competitive.  I'll let others figure out which.

And then we'll have (not the original) LT bitching and moaning and calling the Pats classless.

And then we'll have two weeks of the media sucking Brett Favre off.

And then we'll have 95% of the country rooting for the NFC team.

And then we'll have the only 19-0 team in NFL history...

That's about right, though the media sucks off Brady as much as they love Favre these days.   ::)
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Scott on January 15, 2008, 10:20 PM
That's about right, though the media sucks off Brady as much as they love Favre these days.   ::)

No way in hell is that true...it is not even close.  The difference is that Favre is a mediocre QB who is one hell of a leader and has set all of these records based on pain pills and sheer luck and almost every single announcer out there will give him a hand job if they had the chance.

Brady is probably the best QB that has ever played the game and deserves every blow job he can get...

Answer me this...how many times has Tom Brady's Girlfriend been interviewed during a game?

Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: JediJman on January 16, 2008, 08:32 AM
That's about right, though the media sucks off Brady as much as they love Favre these days.   ::)

No way in hell is that true...it is not even close.  The difference is that Favre is a mediocre QB who is one hell of a leader and has set all of these records based on pain pills and sheer luck and almost every single announcer out there will give him a hand job if they had the chance.

Brady is probably the best QB that has ever played the game and deserves every blow job he can get...

Answer me this...how many times has Tom Brady's Girlfriend been interviewed during a game?



I don't think a mediocre QB would have records for most TD passes, most wins, longest starting streak, etc.  Favre does all this with jack for receivers, no consistent running game, a suspect o-line, but he's just lucky? You're chalking this up to luck?  Favre has earned his props and the fact that you have to keep going back to an addiction to painkillers as the worst thing he's ever done is a testiment to his character. 

Is Brady a great QB? Sure, but the facts are that he just hasn't been around as long, he has a mastermind coach, and he has receiver talent up the wazoo.  I also think Maroney and Dillon are better than anything the Packers have put on the field since Favre took over.  As for interviewing his girlfriend - maybe its just too hard to figure out who he's dating impregnated at any given time?  He still gets slobbered all over by the announcers in every Pats game I've seen this year.
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Dressel Rebel on January 16, 2008, 09:09 AM

I don't think a mediocre QB would have records for most TD passes, most wins, longest starting streak, etc.  Favre does all this with jack for receivers, no consistent running game, a suspect o-line, but he's just lucky?

Favre did have good receivers in the past, and present.  In recent memory Javon Walker, Donald Driver, and Greg Jennings are nothing to sneeze at.


Is Brady a great QB? Sure, but the facts are that he just hasn't been around as long, he has a mastermind coach, and he has receiver talent up the wazoo. 

Brady won 3 Super Bowls with **** for receivers before this season.  In the past, he had the likes of David Patten and Deion Branch catching like 6 TDs per year.  The most remarkable thing about Brady was that he spread the ball around so much.  In those 3 championship years, he threw TD passes to like 14 different receivers or some bizarre statistic like that.  Yes, this year he finally has Moss/Welker.  But he had nothing of the sort in the past.


I also think Maroney and Dillon are better than anything the Packers have put on the field since Favre took over. 


I don't know, Ahman Green was a force in the day.  Maroney really hasn't done ****.  Dillon wasn't there very long, maybe 2 seasons.


Anyhow, you won't need to worry about the Favre vs. Brady thing in the media - because it's going to be Eli Manning vs. Tom Brady.

 :)
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Scott on January 16, 2008, 09:21 AM
To me stats are about as meaningless as they come (see Daunte Culpepper, Vinny Testeverde), congrats on all the records etc but to me the measure of greatness is winning when it counts and Favre 95% of the time he chokes.   And I do think the Packers have had more than a decent running game, Levens and Ahman Green (A 4 time Pro Bowler!) were both studs for more than a couple of years, Ryan Grant is a lot of the reason they have been able to win so much this year and why I think they will win on Sunday.

Favre has won three big games in his entire career and outside of this year Brady has had far far worse receivers than Favre has had.  Javon Walker, Freeman, Sharpe, Driver etc are far far better than the crap that the Patriots were trotting out when they won 3 Super Bowls.  That run in '97 and '98 was way more Reggie White than anything Favre did.  I won't say he sucks, I'll even call him good but he is not even close to being this phenomenal love god the media has for him...Top 10 of all time?  Maybe...

Brady
Montana
Manning
Bradshaw
Young
Elway
Marino
Unitas
Aikman
Tarkenton

And the reason I keep bringing up the drugs is that I seriously doubt he would be setting any of these records if he wasn't taking pain pills as much as he was for the first half of his career.  You also forgot one of the most important records he has, which is the interception record.
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Mikey D on January 16, 2008, 09:32 AM

I don't think a mediocre QB would have records for most TD passes, most wins, longest starting streak, etc.  Favre does all this with jack for receivers, no consistent running game, a suspect o-line, but he's just lucky? You're chalking this up to luck?  Favre has earned his props and the fact that you have to keep going back to an addiction to painkillers as the worst thing he's ever done is a testiment to his character. 


I like Favre.  I think he's a good guy, humble, a good family man, etc.  But don't act like the media doesn't fawn over him every chance they get.  Hell, Madden practically wants to **** him everytime he sees him.  Does he deserve it?  I think he's earned it, but I just don't think it needs to get as overblown as it has with him.

and he has receiver talent up the wazoo. 

This year, sure.  How do you explain the past years when he receivers like Donald Hayes, Reche Caldwell, Bethel Johnson and Troy Brown?  I love Troy Brown and everything he's done for the Pats, but he isn't a big time receiver.

  As for interviewing his girlfriend - maybe its just too hard to figure out who he's dating impregnated at any given time? 

Want to know how many girlfriends Brady's had in the last five or six years?  Two.  So stop acting like Brady's out there ******* everything that walks and knocking numerous chicks up.  He has one child, a product of a very long term relationship.  They just happened to break up before she found out she was pregnant.  It happens.  Now he's dating Gisele.  So it shouldn't be too hard to find his girlfriend for an interview.  They just choose to keep their private lives exactly that - private.
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: JediJman on January 16, 2008, 10:54 AM
I never said the media doesn't fawn over him.  I said the media fawns over Brady just as much as they do Favre now.  I suggest you try to read posts, take a minute to understand what is said, then post a rational response.  ;)

Let's look at a few facts here:

- Favre is not lucky or mediocre.  The Packers have had ONE losing season under his leadership out of 16 seasons.  Find me another QB playing today with anything similar.

- He does not choke 95% of the time.  You might need to take remedial math.  If anything, I think Favre has more comeback 4th quarter victories than anyone playing right now.

- Does he have a lot of interceptions?  You bet!  Guess who else cares more about winning than his own personal stats?  Favre had a ton of interceptions because he was the only playmaker on the team and was doing what he could to win games.  If anything, he's probably guilty of taking on too much of the responsibility for winning.

- He has not had great receivers to work with, nor a decent running game for most of his career.  Walker? Ahman Green? Levens?  Favre's play made these guys better, not the other way around.  Jennings has been good this year, but it remains to be seen if he's that good or if Favre is making him look that good.  What has Walker done in Denver? What has Green done in Houston? Freeman couldn't even get a job after he left the Packers!  Has Ryan Grant been doing well? Heck yeah.  Were the Packers dominating the first half of the season without him?  Ooops, yes they were.   :-[

- Yeah he admitted to taking painkillers.  Big whoop.  I'd bet every player in the league takes something for pain following their weekly punishment on the field.  Well, maybe not kickers. Anyway, its not the same as taking steroids - I don't get how you think his play was so much better because of an addiction to pain killers?  The guy comfessed to a personal problem and that's all you've got against him.

- Favre isn't trotting his wife around for media attention.  If they want to interview her, that's their choice.  She happens to come to most of his games and I've seen her interviewed twice in 16 years.  Wow, that's some heavy media coverage!  Maybe his girlfriends just don't come to the games.  There certainly isn't as much of a story to them as someone surviving breast cancer.  I never said Brady slept with every woman out there, but I don't know a lot of real credible guys that have dumped an ex while she was pregnant.  Isn't Gisele pregnant too?  But they're not married?  No offense, but that track record is not likely to win him popularity contests as a family man. 

Brady may not always have had great receivers either, but look at what he can do when he gets a Moss - a perfect season so far.  Favre's never had anyone like that. I can't believe anyone thinks that Dillon and Maroney haven't helped his game in the past.  These guys are top tier RBs - Dillon has several rushing records and Maroney scored what 15 TDs last year?  Yeah, he's been quiet this year, but that's because they don't need him with Moss scoring 23 TDs.  Brady also has the advantage of having a coach who is considered a coaching genius - Favre hasn't had very noteworthy guys calling the plays.  I'll also add that Favre has been around a lot longer and is in the twilight of his career, so he's had a lot longer to grow on people.
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Mikey D on January 16, 2008, 11:11 AM

- Favre is not lucky or mediocre.  The Packers have had ONE losing season under his leadership out of 16 seasons.  Find me another QB playing today with anything similar.


Tom Brady.  Granted it's not 16 years, but his worst season was 2002 was 9-7 and missed the playoffs because of a tiebreaker with the Jets. 

  Guess who else cares more about winning than his own personal stats? 

Tom Brady

but I don't know a lot of real credible guys that have dumped an ex while she was pregnant. 

I suggest you try to read posts, take a minute to understand what is said, then post a rational response.   ;)

Isn't Gisele pregnant too?  

Nope.
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Dressel Rebel on January 16, 2008, 01:32 PM
What has Walker done in Denver? What has Green done in Houston?

Um, get injured?
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: ruiner on January 16, 2008, 02:02 PM
At least the Packers and Pats have reliable QB's...

 :-\
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Dressel Rebel on January 16, 2008, 02:14 PM
At least the Packers and Pats have reliable QB's...

 :-\

Well, the Patriots do.
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Rob on January 16, 2008, 02:46 PM
At least the Packers and Pats have reliable QB's...

 :-\

Well, the Patriots do.

Favre isn't reliable?

Most consecutive games started
Most TD's
Most passing yards
Most wins
3 Time league MVP

He threw for almost 4,200 yards this year with 28 TD's and 15 INT's while completing 67% of his passes. 

Elected to the 2007 Pro-bowl and probably would have won the MVP if not for Brady's ridiculous record-setting season.

He'll be playing at home, where the Packers have lost exactly one playoff game in team history.  They have a massive home field advantage.

I know you're pimping your team here, but try to be objective - especially with that bastion of reliability, Eli Manning, helming your team.

Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: ruiner on January 16, 2008, 03:02 PM
We'll trade you the three-headed monster from Chicago anyday for 1/2 of Favre.

Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Scott on January 16, 2008, 03:04 PM
He'll be playing at home, where the Packers have lost exactly one playoff game in team history.  They have a massive home field advantage.

(http://graphics.jsonline.com/graphics/packer/img/rev/jan05/5pack109.jpg)

Actually...Vikes and Falcons both thumped them at Lambeau in 2003 and 2004
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Rob on January 16, 2008, 05:41 PM
My bad.


Either way, Favre is 43-5 when the temperature is below 34 degrees.  I'd say that's pretty consistent.

Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Scott on January 16, 2008, 05:43 PM
My bad.


Either way, Favre is 43-5 when the temperature is below 34 degrees.  I'd say that's pretty consistent.


2 of said losses are said playoff games...
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: JediJman on January 16, 2008, 08:37 PM
My bad.


Either way, Favre is 43-5 when the temperature is below 34 degrees.  I'd say that's pretty consistent.


2 of said losses are said playoff games...

And your point is?  I hate to break it to you, but 11 teams lose a playoff game every year and 20 teams don't even make the playoffs.  By definition, a playoff loss means you went further than at least 20 other teams.

Regardless, I really can't see why anyone would be anti-favre, even if you're not a Packer fan.  No one plays the game with his enthusiasm, he never misses a game, he's a good role model, and he has made some amazing plays and comebacks over the years.
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Scott on January 16, 2008, 10:59 PM
My bad.


Either way, Favre is 43-5 when the temperature is below 34 degrees.  I'd say that's pretty consistent.


2 of said losses are said playoff games...

And your point is?
He hasn't won many big games recently and not many big games ever.

Why am I anti-Favre?  I think he is probably the 2nd Most Overrated Football player in the NFL right now and I can't stand the media obsession with him.  Probably there is some jealousy there and yeah, I hate the Packers...any more reasons?

BTW...I'm not alone

Mike of Mike and Mike thinks so too (he wrote this last year before Vick imploded)

Quote
I have been wrongly accused of being a Brett Favre basher.  People think I dislike Brett Favre.  People sometimes attach that to my attachment to Chicago.  I lived in and worked in Chicago for 11 years, and I covered the Bears, and the Bears and Packers are arch-rivals.  That could not possibly matter less to me in regards to this.  I have enormous admiration for Brett Favre.  I think he is an all-time great player.  I did get very aggravated with the way I thought he held up the franchise last year, and I am continuously aggravated by the way the franchise handles him.  Thatís not necessarily his fault, and he certainly is neither the first nor the last superstar player who gets treatment from a franchise that I personally think is detrimental to the organization.  So it isnít the biggest deal in the world; every once in a while, I voice it.  Because Favre is so above it, Favre is so untouchable, so unrippable, that anyone who dares to say anything even remotely away from ďI just love number 4″, you are perceived as being a basher of Brett Favre, which I would take issue with.  And I will tell you the comparison I would make in my mind.  To me, Brett Favre is the Nolan Ryan of football.  When Nolan Ryan went into the Hall of Fame with the highest percentage of votes of any player in history - no player has ever gotten more votes for the Hall of Fame than Nolan Ryan did.  He went in on the first ballot, which he deserved to do, but he got a higher percentage of the vote than anybody else ever has.  There were people who didnít vote for Willie Mays.  There were people who didnít vote for everyone who ever went into the Hall of Fame.  No one has ever been elected on a unanimous ballot.  And no one ever got a higher percentage of the vote than Nolan Ryan.  And my comment - and Bob Picozzi stood united with me on this, and we just got murdered - was that Nolan Ryan is the most overrated pitcher of all time.  That is true.  Now that does not mean that he isnít great.  Nolan Ryan is great.  He absolutely belongs in the Hall of Fame.  He belongs in the big room in the Hall of Fame, and he deserved to be a first ballot Hall of Famer.  He is an all-time great.  But heís not one of the ten best pitchers that ever lived.  He absolutely is not.  To me, itís inarguable; now the beauty of sports is that everything is arguable.  If you asked me, what pitcher in my lifetime would I pay to go watch, the first guy Iíd pick is Nolan Ryan, because heís got the best chance at pitching a no hitter, and heís got the best chance at going out and striking out 17 guys.  So, thatís the guy Iíd pay to go watch.  He was the most watchable pitcher, and because he had the swagger, he was the cowboy, he pitched so late into his career, he was an honorable, good guy, I like him, Iíve interviewed him, heís a terrific guy, and because Robin Ventura once, for reasons known only to him, rushed the mound and Nolan Ryan treated him like a four-year-old child, Nolan Ryan is a folk hero, and deserves to be.  He was terrific.  He was a terrific pitcher and a terrific guy.  But heís not one of the ten best pitchers of all time.  I mean, he absolutely is not.  But if you say that, there is such devotion, fans love him so much, that they went crazy!  They went crazy on me.  I remember one guy called me up, and I said, if you tell me that Nolan Ryan is as good as Roger Clemens, then in my opinion, you are demonstrating that you donít know anything about baseball.  And the guy said to me, well, you just donít like people from Texas.  Where is Roger Clemens from, New Jersey?  Heís from Texas!  He grew up idolizing Nolan Ryan.  Nolan Ryan is an all-time great.  Heís not one of the ten best pitchers ever.  Now, that takes you to Brett Favre.  Brett Favre, to me, is just like Nolan Ryan.  Heís a gunslinger, heís a cowboy, heís playing late into his career, everybody loves him, heís a good guy, thereís nothing about him not to love, but heís not one of the absolute best quarterbacks of all time.  This is my opinion; this is all I can tell you.  Itís not as inarguable, because youíve got numbers: heís second on the all-time list in completions, second on the all-time list in passing yards, second on the all-time list in touchdown passes, and second on the all-time list in games won as a starting quarterback.  Heís behind Marino in three of those stats and Elway in another.  So heís got the numbers to back it up, and Nolan Ryan has the numbers.  Nolan Ryan has more strikeouts than anybody, more no-hitters than anybody.  But, this is just my opinion: Brett Favre, because of the accomplishments, because of the swagger, because he is the most watchable quarterback of his generation and among the most watchable of all time, I think he is sometimes overrated.  Not only do I personally - this is one manís opinion - not only donít I think heís as good as Elway or Marino or Montana, I donít even think heís really close.  Thatís just me from watching his career.  Now people go nuts when you say that, two different groups of people.  There are the Packer fans, and that I certainly understand.  If heís your guy, I wish more than anything that the Jets had Favre for 15 years.  Donít get me wrong.  And if you are a Packer fan today and you are screaming at me right now, I donít blame you one bit.  And then there are the other group of fans who just love Brett Favre.  People just love the guy.  Heís like Nolan Ryan, and again, heís the most watchable quarterback: if thereís just one guy you want to pay to watch, right now that guy is probably Michael Vick, but from a difference sense, itís Favre, because heís going to either throw a touchdown or an interception every time he takes a snap.  Heís going to go back there, and heís going to try to throw the ball through a wall.  Golic always calls it throwing it through a keyhole.  He is endlessly watchable.  You get no argument from me on that whatsoever.  And heís an all-time great.  He belongs in the Hall of Fame, just like Nolan Ryan, he belongs in the big room in the Hall of Fame.  He is definitively a first-ballot Hall of Famer.  But, does he belong - just my opinion, just one manís opinion - in the discussion with Marino, Elway, Otto Graham, Sammy Baugh, Johnny Unitas, the very greatest quarterbacks of all time?  My opinion, no.  You want to lose your mind on me?  I understand.

Oh...and the most overrated player in the NFL right now...

(http://hamnd.50megs.com/images/urlacher.jpg)
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Rob on January 16, 2008, 11:18 PM
^That's only because Vick is in prison now.

He was by far the most overrated hack in the league.
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: JediJman on January 17, 2008, 11:28 AM
He should have stopped the long winded waffling after this: "I have enormous admiration for Brett Favre.  I think he is an all-time great player. " 

He's an all-time great player and you admire him and he has the stats to outshine almost every QB that has ever played, ...but in Mike's opinion, he's just not of the greatest QBs in history and you have not one thing to back that up with other than your opinion.  Sounds like a brilliant analysis to me.   ::)
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: ruiner on January 17, 2008, 11:53 AM

Oh...and the most overrated player in the NFL right now...

(http://hamnd.50megs.com/images/urlacher.jpg)


Urlacher?

I wouldn't say he's the most overrated.  If anything, I'd say he's been a big disappointment but not overrated.

Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Dressel Rebel on January 17, 2008, 01:37 PM


I know you're pimping your team here, but try to be objective - especially with that bastion of reliability, Eli Manning, helming your team.



What can I say, I believe in our bookend DE's rushing Favre and forcing the turnovers.

I'm going Giants vs. Patriots.

We'll see.
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Rob on January 17, 2008, 02:30 PM
Fair enough - I'm sure if it were me I'd be confident in my team too.  :)
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: JediJman on January 17, 2008, 02:38 PM
Fair enough - I'm sure if it were me I'd be confident in my team too.  :)

I'd go against my own team's chances and shoot for pleasant surprise.  ;) Only reason I'm not is that I have seen pretty strong play out of the Pack all season versus strong play from the Giants for two weeks, AND the game is in Lambeau.  Play that game in Jersey and I would be much less confident. 

Of course, we're all guessing wrong because San Deigo is going to crush the Pats this weekend.   ;D :o ;D
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Rob on January 17, 2008, 03:45 PM
I wonder what the Vegas odds are of an upset in Boston.

You might be able to bet $10.00 and win $1,000.00.
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Dressel Rebel on January 17, 2008, 04:56 PM
Fair enough - I'm sure if it were me I'd be confident in my team too.  :)

I'd go against my own team's chances and shoot for pleasant surprise.  ;) Only reason I'm not is that I have seen pretty strong play out of the Pack all season versus strong play from the Giants for two weeks, AND the game is in Lambeau.  Play that game in Jersey and I would be much less confident. 


For me it's the precise opposite.  The Giants won almost every road game, and lost almost every home game.  This year, they're road warriors.  So based on that, you should want the Pack in Jersey.
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: JediJman on January 17, 2008, 05:31 PM
For me it's the precise opposite.  The Giants won almost every road game, and lost almost every home game.  This year, they're road warriors.  So based on that, you should want the Pack in Jersey.

Well the Packers won against every team not named Bears or Cowboys this year, so since they're not playing the Bears or Cowboys, I'll chalk them up for a win. 

There is no rationale to winning games on the road like there is to winning games at home.  Home games are likely to have a more familiar field, you get the fan support - what is your rationale for winning home games other than luck or schedule?  I certainly wouldn't bet any of my money on a road team just because they're on the road.
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: ruiner on January 18, 2008, 09:33 AM

Well the Packers won against every team not named Bears or Cowboys this year,

So the Giant do have a chance!
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: JediJman on January 18, 2008, 02:18 PM

Well the Packers won against every team not named Bears or Cowboys this year,

So the Giant do have a chance!

How do you figure?
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: ruiner on January 18, 2008, 02:21 PM
Because if the ****** Bears can beat GB; NY certainly has a chance!

 ;)




Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: JediJman on January 18, 2008, 04:14 PM
Mmmmmm yyyyeaaahhh.  And I'm referred to as an over confident Packers fan.   ::)

Chicago holds a 27-18-2 lead in its all-time regular season series with the Giants, which dates back to 1925. The Giants' Tom Coughlin is 2-4 against the Bears as a head coach, including 1-2 since coming to New York. There most recent game was a 21-16 narrow victory thanks to a last ditch game winning drive from Eli. 

Last time the Packers played the Giants, Packers won 35-13, barely edging past New York by a little more than three TDs. 

Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Dressel Rebel on January 19, 2008, 08:00 AM
Coming soon to a TV near you...

(http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0WTb_yT85FHqNwAY1OjzbkF/SIG=13f81sit8/EXP=1200833811/**http%3A//i.a.cnn.net/si/2004/football/nfl/10/03/bc.fbn.giants.packers.ap/p1_favre_hurt_ap.jpg)

(http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0WTbx6r9JFHpHwB7QmjzbkF/SIG=12c555o10/EXP=1200834091/**http%3A//www.deadspin.com/images/2006/04/favreconfused.jpg)

Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: JediJman on January 19, 2008, 11:02 AM
Coming soon to a TV near you...

(http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0WTb_yT85FHqNwAY1OjzbkF/SIG=13f81sit8/EXP=1200833811/**http%3A//i.a.cnn.net/si/2004/football/nfl/10/03/bc.fbn.giants.packers.ap/p1_favre_hurt_ap.jpg)

Wow, the Giants plan to tickle Favre into a loss?  Just hope its closer than that 35-13 trouncing earlier this year.  Hey, wasn't Favre named the offensive player of the week based on that game?   ;D
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: P-Siddy on January 19, 2008, 04:08 PM
Boys! Play nice. One of you has to eat crow tomorrow night.
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: JediJman on January 20, 2008, 01:50 PM
Boys! Play nice. One of you has to eat crow tomorrow night.

I will be eating steak and drinking a Sam Adams from my green and gold victory mug.   ;D
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Dressel Rebel on January 20, 2008, 05:03 PM

I will be eating steak and drinking a Sam Adams from my green and gold victory mug.   ;D

An odd way to celebrate a Giants win for sure, but whatever helps you cope!
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: JediJman on January 20, 2008, 06:30 PM

I will be eating steak and drinking a Sam Adams from my green and gold victory mug.   ;D

An odd way to celebrate a Giants win for sure, but whatever helps you cope!

Heehee!  k - game starts NOW!  Good luck to you sir!
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Morgbug on January 20, 2008, 10:13 PM
No irony in how that ended :o
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Rob on January 20, 2008, 10:15 PM
Congrats Dressel - your team knocked off all three teams that I was interested in this year.

It'll be a tall order for them to beat the team of destiny, but I'm done picking against them.

Enjoy.
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: JediJman on January 20, 2008, 10:35 PM
Okay - I'll eat the crow.  :(  I could go on and on about how many calls the Giants had in their favor, but what's done is done.  Congrats on the win and best of luck taking down the Patsies - I'll root for any team over them. 
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Scott on January 20, 2008, 10:53 PM
Okay - I'll eat the crow.  :(  I could go on and on about how many calls the Giants had in their favor
::)

What ones?  There were equally bad calls going the other way IMO

BTW...

Either way, Favre is 43-5 when the temperature is below 34 degrees.  I'd say that's pretty consistent.

43-6

He'll be playing at home, where the Packers have lost exactly one playoff game in team history.  They have a massive home field advantage.

Make that three...Vikings, Falcons and Giants

My two X-Factors were the decider...Pass Rush which they got huge amounts of in the 2nd Half which had Favre throwing to nobody and the Giants making lots of easy and almost easy interceptions.  ANd Ryan Grant was nowhere.  Not sure why they went away from the run, he's been a stud the last 8 weeks and they barely even ran him.

Favre has won three big games in his entire career

And I won't have to update this one...still at three in 16 years...the greatest player of all time ::) ::) :-X
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Dressel Rebel on January 20, 2008, 10:56 PM
Okay - I'll eat the crow.  :(  I could go on and on about how many calls the Giants had in their favor, but what's done is done.  Congrats on the win and best of luck taking down the Patsies - I'll root for any team over them. 

Excellent.  Welcome aboard - Pats be going down. 

The REAL team of destiny!!

(http://www.acc-tv.com/images/globalnews/spo_ft_newyorkgiants_1006.jpg)

(http://pubpages.unh.edu/~det3/IMAGES/92B.jpg)

Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Matt_Fury on January 21, 2008, 01:23 AM
What an amazing game!  I'll apologize to anyone in the central California area who heard me screaming like a crazy person throughout the game!  The Packers played one hell of a game and have nothing to be ashamed of....both teams left it all out on the field, it just came down to turnovers and the Giants were able to have fewer.

I'm now seeing if a roadtrip to Arizona is possible!   ;D
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: CHEWIE on January 21, 2008, 10:29 AM
That game last night was definitely amazing... I was pulling for Green Bay, but NY definitely deserved to win it and in the 4th quarter I found myself rooting for Eli, something I thought that I've NEVER do... they've played their tails off in the second half of the season... wow!  They deserve to be in the big matchup against the Pats... but I don't see them being able to keep up with Tom Brady and company in good weather... probably not a chance.  The Patriots are just too efficient.

I've been a Brady fan ever since they beat the Rams in the Super Bowl... of course I was pissed that year because I thoughts the Rams should have won... but each year since then, I've liked them more and more.  I'd love to see them have a 19-0 season.  Not just because I like them, but because actually getting to say that I saw each of their wins this year is something special to me. 
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Dressel Rebel on January 21, 2008, 11:28 AM
They deserve to be in the big matchup against the Pats... but I don't see them being able to keep up with Tom Brady and company in good weather... probably not a chance.  The Patriots are just too efficient.

Just by the sheer Laws of Probability, the Patriots are due for a loss.  Everything is primed and ready to go for a Giants Super Bowl victory.  The Pats are not the juggernaut they were in the first 1/2 of the season, they came very close to losing 3 or 4 times, and almost against the Giants as well.  It's time, I think it's got a good chance of happening this time.

Dressel Rebel predicts:

NY Giants 34
NE Pats    27 
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: P-Siddy on January 21, 2008, 11:43 AM
I'd be down for that, DR. Now I really think we need to have a united front of red and blue!
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Jayson on January 21, 2008, 11:47 AM
24 - 21 Pats

Eli will fold under the pressure and piss his pants  ;)
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Dressel Rebel on January 21, 2008, 12:54 PM
24 - 21 Pats

Eli will fold under the pressure and piss his pants  ;)

Yeah okay just like the last 3 games.

The only person who's gonna piss his pants is you, when you catch me on TV at the parade in NYC.
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: ruiner on January 21, 2008, 01:13 PM
They have a good chance at winning but NE is like a well-oiled machine set on 'win.'

Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Neal on January 21, 2008, 02:00 PM

Yeah okay just like the last 3 games.


Well, let's be fair here.  If the Laws of Probability say that the Pats are due for a loss, then they should say that Eli's about due for one of his "typical" games.
 ;)
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Mikey D on January 21, 2008, 06:23 PM
Of course the law of probability says the Pats will lose.  It just won't be in two weeks.

True, the Pats have looked vulnerable the last third of the season.  But guess what, they still haven't lost.  They took everything their opponents have thrown at them and still found a way to win.

Isn't it a bit telling that the Pats offensive juggernaut starting slowing down once the weather started getting ******?  I'm no meterologist, but I'm pretty sure there's no rain, snow, sub-zero temperatures or gusty winds in Arizona in early February. 

I hate the Giants, but they deserve all the credit in the world for playing their asses off that last game of the season and carrying it over through the playoffs.  They certainly proved me wrong in the playoffs by going on the road and beating three pretty good teams.  But they are also the same team that blew a 12 point lead with about 20 minutes to play in that last game. 

Belichick loves football history.  Why else would he allow Flutie to drop kick an extra point?  Why else would he put Vinny T in and allow him to throw a TD, letting him get at least one TD in 20 consecutive seasons?  It's all a part of history.  He and his team may not have said anything publicly about the undefeated season throughout the season, but I can guarantee they've wanted it all year (or at least since it became a legitimate possibility).  Belichick wants his name and his team in the history books.  Give him two weeks to prepare and correct any mistakes they had in that last Giants game?  I'll take those odds. 

Pats - 31
Giants - 24

And then Mercury Morris and the rest of those '72 Dolphin blowhards can take their champagne bottles and shove them up their ass.



Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Rob on January 21, 2008, 06:26 PM
Of course the law of probability says the Pats will lose.  It just won't be in two weeks.

Probability has very little to do with it.  This isn't a coin toss, it's a skill team playing another skill team.  The Patriots have a team that is clearly more skilled than the rest - they beat the Giants 3 weeks ago, and they'll most likely beat them again in 2.
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Mikey D on January 21, 2008, 08:27 PM
****, you're telling me that teams actually have to play to determine a winner and not one team is going to win because the other team is due for a loss and that same team almost lost a few times beforehand? 

Ya learn something new everyday...
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Dressel Rebel on January 22, 2008, 08:28 AM


And then Mercury Morris and the rest of those '72 Dolphin blowhards can take their champagne bottles and shove them up their ass.



Asses.
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: CHEWIE on January 22, 2008, 12:07 PM
I'm pretty sure the Pats are going to spank the Giants pretty bad... I wouldn't be surprised to see them score 40+ points on the Giants... the only way I see the Giants winning is if:

A) Brady gets hurt
B) The Giants are +3 in turnovers
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Matt on January 22, 2008, 12:17 PM
I'm pretty sure the Pats are going to spank the Giants pretty bad... I wouldn't be surprised to see them score 40+ points on the Giants...

Yeah, they spanked them pretty bad in Week 17. . .
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Jayson on January 22, 2008, 12:18 PM
A) Brady gets hurt

Brady photographed walking in cast (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,324527,00.html)
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: P-Siddy on January 22, 2008, 01:07 PM
A) Brady gets hurt

Brady photographed walking in cast (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,324527,00.html)


The risks of having a supermodel girlfriend.  ;)
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: CHEWIE on January 22, 2008, 01:56 PM
I'm pretty sure the Pats are going to spank the Giants pretty bad... I wouldn't be surprised to see them score 40+ points on the Giants...

Yeah, they spanked them pretty bad in Week 17. . .

True, the Giants played very well in Week 17, and have been playing great as of late.  But, as we all know, the Patriots haven't lost all season... I don't see them doing anything short of having an excellent game in the Super Bowl to throw down a hard exclamation point to their undefeated season.  The Giants might score some points, but I don't see the best offense in the history of the game choking, especially when they've already won three Super Bowls this decade.  They've been there before and are in no way getting caught up in the hype of being in the big game... however, each of their previous three Super Bowl wins were tight games... but they also didn't have the explosive offense that they have now... also, I'm thinking that Moss is due for a huge game.

I wonder how injured Brady really is though?  Practically every week he's been listed as probable or questionable in my fantasy football league the past two years... but unless it's something major, I expect him to be fine - he's got two weeks to recover.
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: ruiner on January 22, 2008, 02:01 PM
It's a ploy to trick the Giants.

Wouldn't take much.

Speaking of the Giants, I caught the replay of Super Bowl XLI last night - couldn't make it through the whole thing because of the pain Grossman causes me...







Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Rob on January 22, 2008, 02:08 PM
Yeah, they spanked them pretty bad in Week 17. . .

Bah, they still won by 2 scores, on the road.
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Jayson on January 22, 2008, 02:09 PM
It's a ploy to trick the Giants.

Wouldn't take much.

Speaking of the Giants, I caught the replay of Super Bowl XLI last night - couldn't make it through the whole thing because of the pain Grossman causes me...


Or a ploy to mess with people betting on the game  :P
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Mikey D on January 22, 2008, 02:31 PM

Bah, they still won by 2 scores, on the road.

 ??? The Pats only won by 3 points that game.

If I'm the Giants I'd be concerned that they blew a 12 point lead in that game against, by Patriots standards, a very vanilla offense and defense.  I don't know if the Pats thought the Giants wouldn't be going all out and would play their backups the majority of the game, but they looked flat on both sides of the ball.  It wasn't until they took the lead that both the defense and offense starting mixing things up.  Don't expect that same vanilla offense and defense to show up in the Super Bowl.
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Dressel Rebel on January 22, 2008, 05:17 PM

Pats - 31
Giants - 24



Pffft.  That's gonna be about as accurate as these:

Pats and Pack will win Sunday. 

And then we'll have (not the original) LT bitching and moaning and calling the Pats classless.

And then we'll have two weeks of the media sucking Brett Favre off.



 :D

This is the Giants year!  The Patriots are goin' down!
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Mikey D on January 22, 2008, 07:16 PM
It's already been proven that most of the time I don't know **** when it comes to predictions (http://www.jedidefender.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=14595.msg328897#msg328897)

So how about you tell me why the Giants are going to win.  Reasons other than wishful thinking, homerism, the Pats are due for a loss or the laws of probability say so.

If the Giants win, they probably played the game of their lives and deserved it.  I'll come in here and give congrats (although in a very pissy mood).  If the Pats win, I doubt we'll see your presence again in an NFL thread until after the Super Bowl, as is your usual MO once your teams are eliminated in the playoffs.  Either that or you'll come in here and correct someone's grammar.
 
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: JediJman on January 22, 2008, 08:28 PM
Agreed - This is a no contest for the Pats.  Sorry Giants fans, but I just don't see it.  If the Packers had made it, I would have been predicting a loss for them too.  That all being said, I will be rooting for the Giants the whole way!
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Dressel Rebel on January 23, 2008, 08:22 AM
It's already been proven that most of the time I don't know **** when it comes to predictions (http://www.jedidefender.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=14595.msg328897#msg328897)

So how about you tell me why the Giants are going to win.  Reasons other than wishful thinking, homerism, the Pats are due for a loss or the laws of probability say so.

If the Giants win, they probably played the game of their lives and deserved it.  I'll come in here and give congrats (although in a very pissy mood).  If the Pats win, I doubt we'll see your presence again in an NFL thread until after the Super Bowl, as is your usual MO once your teams are eliminated in the playoffs.  Either that or you'll come in here and correct someone's grammar.
 

It's "asses."
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: ruiner on January 23, 2008, 09:26 AM
For those who have NFL Network, they are airing Super Bowl XX tonight - your chance to see one of the best (if not the best) football team ever.
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: ruiner on January 23, 2008, 09:40 AM
It's a ploy to trick the Giants.


Maybe it is. (http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/sports/2008/01/23/cho.brady.cast.cnn)
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Mikey D on January 23, 2008, 10:22 AM
Brady has a minor ankle sprain.  The boot was just a precautionary measure the first night of the injury.
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Dressel Rebel on January 23, 2008, 10:37 AM
Brady has a minor ankle sprain.  The boot was just a precautionary measure the first night of the injury.

Yeah Brady was too much of a girl to take on Shawne Merriman - and next up Strahan and Umenyiora are gonna pound him and his girly O-line into the dirt.
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Mikey D on January 23, 2008, 11:09 AM
The same Strahan and Umenyiora that combined for 22 sacks in the regular season yet didn't manage one against a Patriots offensive line that was missing 2/5ths of their starters?  That Strahan and Umenyiora?  Yeah, I'm sure Brady's shaking in his boots (no pun intended).

As for Merriman, I didn't know it was the quarterback's job to take on linebackers.  You've definitely taught me a lot about football the last few days.  I look forward to more of your infinite wisdom.  Besides, Merriman was a non-factor in the AFC Championship game anyways.
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Dressel Rebel on January 23, 2008, 11:42 AM
  Besides, Merriman was a non-factor in the AFC Championship game anyways.

Did you watch the same game I did?
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Mikey D on January 23, 2008, 01:24 PM
I don't call 3 tackles, 1 assist and no sacks (for a supposed great pass rushing linebacker) all that spectacular.  You and I must have different opinions of greatness.

Antonie Cromartie had a great game.  Shawne Merriman, not so much.
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Dressel Rebel on January 23, 2008, 01:55 PM
I don't call 3 tackles, 1 assist and no sacks (for a supposed great pass rushing linebacker) all that spectacular.  You and I must have different opinions of greatness.

Antonie Cromartie had a great game.  Shawne Merriman, not so much.

I know what his stats were, thanks.  It was more the intense pressure he was putting on Brady - making him pretty damn ineffective.  Lucky for your team, Maroney could actually make his presence known for once this season and bail you out.

Against the Giants you won't be as lucky.
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Matt_Fury on January 23, 2008, 03:57 PM
I think everyone is underestimating the Giants.  The game they had against the Patriots in the regular season was one hell of a game and the Patriots won due to Eli Manning throwing the one interception in the 4th quarter.  If he has no turnovers....the Giants win.

All of this reminds me of Superbowl 25.  Everyone picked the Bills to win because they beat the Giants during the regular season.  Then the Giants controlled the ball for most of the game and won the game (with a little help from Scott Norwide).....that was arguably one of the most exciting games in Superbowl history.

I'm enjoying this and I think it'll be a great game.  I'm also trying to talk a few of my friends here in training (both Pats and Giants fans) into a roadtrip!   :D
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: CHEWIE on January 23, 2008, 04:49 PM
I still think the New England's offense is going to have a field day, but I could be wrong.  It could be a close game. 

Is anyone thinking the Giants could blow out the Pats?
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: JediJman on January 23, 2008, 08:39 PM
I still think the New England's offense is going to have a field day, but I could be wrong.  It could be a close game. 

Is anyone thinking the Giants could blow out the Pats?

I think there is an extremely thin chance that the Giants can beat the Pats and even if they do, it will be a close game.  I give them no chance to blow out the Pats.  That being said, I thought there was no way the Giants would beat the Packers, so who knows.  I guess that's why they play the game!
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Matt_Fury on January 24, 2008, 05:53 PM
I still think the New England's offense is going to have a field day, but I could be wrong.  It could be a close game. 

Is anyone thinking the Giants could blow out the Pats?

I doubt it just because of the type of football the play.  they generally like to control time of possession and have long drives with a strong running game.  That generally doesn't put a lot of points on the board, but it keeps your opponent from doing the same thing.
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: john todd on January 25, 2008, 06:26 PM
i have been wrong several times in my assessment of games this year, but i think in arizona where the weather won't be a factor at all, Brady will get to throw alot more and the pats will look more like they did earlier in the season.    the giants perform best when scores are kept low so Eli isn't having to force anything.  i think the giants would have had a better chance if they were playing in the cold.
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Ryan on January 25, 2008, 10:00 PM
The Matts are sure going to love this...

Quote
Pats fans are smarter, classier, healthier than those in NY
Friday, Jan 25, 2008 8:39 am EST
Boston Herald columnist Jessica Heslam claims the stats don't lie ó New England Patriots fans are smarter, classier and healthier and own pricier homes than the riff-raff who root for the New York Giants ó and now we've got the research to back it up.

Some 62 percent of Pats fans living in the Boston area earned a bachelor's or postgraduate degree or have some higher-education experience, compared to 59 percent of Giants fans, according to the latest marketing data provided by the Nielsen Co., the TV ratings firm.

Likewise, 72 percent of Pats fans live in homes worth north of $200,000, compared to 63 percent of Giants yahoos. Pats fans drink Amstel Light, not Bud Light. Giants fans slug back lots of whiskey. Bostonians are likely to read connoisseur magazines like Wine Spectator. Gotham fans like to pig out on junk food like pretzels, chips and nuts. When Giants fans arenít booing Giants coach Tom Coughlin or punk quarterback Eli Manning in that New Jersey stadium they call home, theyíre out practicing their tennis backhands in the backyard.
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: JediJman on January 26, 2008, 03:53 PM
The Matts are sure going to love this...

Quote
Pats fans are smarter, classier, healthier than those in NY
Some 62 percent of Pats fans living in the Boston area earned a bachelor's or postgraduate degree or have some higher-education experience, compared to 59 percent of Giants fans, according to the latest marketing data provided by the Nielsen Co., the TV ratings firm.

OMG stats like this just make me want to strangle someone.  I know the post above is in jest anyway, but do people get that 62% versus 59% in the Nielsen sample is statistically the same number?  Please tell me people are smarter than this.

Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Ryan on January 26, 2008, 06:52 PM
The Matts are sure going to love this...

Quote
Pats fans are smarter, classier, healthier than those in NY
Some 62 percent of Pats fans living in the Boston area earned a bachelor's or postgraduate degree or have some higher-education experience, compared to 59 percent of Giants fans, according to the latest marketing data provided by the Nielsen Co., the TV ratings firm.

OMG stats like this just make me want to strangle someone.  I know the post above is in jest anyway, but do people get that 62% versus 59% in the Nielsen sample is statistically the same number?  Please tell me people are smarter than this.



Jessica Heslam from Bostom isn't.
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Matt_Fury on January 26, 2008, 10:32 PM
Dude....not cool!   >:(

I guess I'm the minority of Giants fans seeing as I have home that's higher in value than what they reported, a Bachelor's of Science in Math and pass all my physical fitness tests in the AF.


Oh, and I prefer Guinness and 1554.   ;D
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: CHEWIE on January 30, 2008, 12:04 PM
I'm still pulling for the Pats, but after reading those stats, I think I like Giants fans more.
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Matt_Fury on January 30, 2008, 04:27 PM
I'm just thrilled that Giants are going to the Superbowl.  Sure I hope they win the game, but as long as they aren't blown out (which I don't think they will), I'll be happy.

I think the Patriots are more stressed about the game since everyone expects them to win the game.  no one even predicted the Giants would be there, so they are just there to play and do their best....no real pressure.
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Neal on January 30, 2008, 07:50 PM
no one even predicted the Giants would be there, so they are just there to play and do their best....no real pressure.

Exactly.  Well ... at least until Plaxico guaranteed that they'd win.
 ;)
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Matt_Fury on January 31, 2008, 05:50 PM
I think Strahan had the best counter...do you expect him to predict they will lose the game?
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Neal on January 31, 2008, 11:17 PM
Brady himself said the same thing about Plax's prediction.  Of course they should be confident.  Why even show up if not?
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Scott on February 1, 2008, 12:39 AM
Patriots 35 Giants 17...Moss 3 TD's, 210 Yards and the MVP
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Mikey D on February 1, 2008, 07:34 AM
Patriots 35 Giants 17...Moss 3 TD's, 210 Yards and the MVP

I like it...
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: ruiner on February 1, 2008, 10:05 AM
I like the score...
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Paul on February 1, 2008, 10:18 AM
Since I don't have a direct rooting interest...

Here are 2 things that I can look forward to...

Either the Giants win WITHOUT Tikki Barber...I guess there was something keeping the Giants back and it wasn't Eli or Coughlin.

OR

The Patriots win and Wes Welker and Sammy Morris (Former Texas Tech Red Raiders) get Super Bowl rings.

I would prefer if the Patriots win that it comes from 1 Wes Welker Punt Return, 1 Wes Welker Kick Return, 1 WW touchdown Catch, 1 WW Touchdown Pass, 1  WW Touchdown Run on a reverse and a Field Goal.  So 35-28. 

I don't recall the game but in college he had a touchdown catch, a return and I think a chance at kicking one.


Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Dressel Rebel on February 1, 2008, 10:25 AM

Dressel Rebel predicts:

NY Giants 34
NE Pats    27 

Bump!


(http://www.acc-tv.com/images/globalnews/spo_ft_newyorkgiants_1006.jpg)
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Matt_Fury on February 1, 2008, 05:53 PM
Either the Giants win WITHOUT Tiki Barber...I guess there was something keeping the Giants back and it wasn't Eli or Coughlin.

I think that's bit unfair to Tiki Barber.  One big difference this with the Giants is that they seem to finally have it together, and I don't think that Tiki not being on the team this year is a huge factor...he was a great running back, the Giants still have a great running game.

Also, the Giants dealt with some huge injuries last year and have been relativly healthy this year.
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Paul on February 1, 2008, 07:35 PM
Not disrespecting his play...mostly his mouth...didn't he say earlier this year (from the booth) that the reason they could not advance was coaching or quarterback related?  If not, then apologies.  I just thought it would be fitting...
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Neal on February 3, 2008, 07:53 PM
*Yawn*
Someone wake me up when an actual game happens.  This is brutal.
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Chris on February 3, 2008, 08:14 PM
It was nice to see they had a half-time with a band that doesn't suck.
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Rob on February 3, 2008, 08:16 PM
Indeed - half time has been the most entertaining part so far. 

Here's to some more scoring in the second half...
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Paul on February 3, 2008, 09:58 PM
Wow...

Brothers win Back to Back superbowls...will that ever happen again?
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Scott on February 3, 2008, 10:00 PM
Great game...congrats to the Giants :)

Those last two TD drives were some of the greatest football in a long long time.  Wow!
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Rob on February 3, 2008, 10:11 PM
Congrats indeed.  Eli shut everyone up abd the Giants won all 4 games against the 4 teams I had some level of interest in.  The Bucs for obvious reasons, the Cowboys as the home team, the Packers as Marin's team, and the Patriots for the history aspect.

That's got to make it that much better for you Dressel.   :)
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Neal on February 3, 2008, 10:24 PM
Great game...congrats to the Giants :)

Great game?  No.  Great 4th quarter?  Yes.
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: CHEWIE on February 3, 2008, 10:43 PM
Wow!  Congrats Dressel (and to the Giants of course!).
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Force Guy on February 3, 2008, 10:44 PM
How 'bout them Giants? 
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Mikey D on February 3, 2008, 10:49 PM
I'm just a wee bit bitter, but the Giants played their asses off tonight and deserved to win.  Congrats to them.

Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Scott on February 3, 2008, 10:51 PM
I'm just a wee bit bitter, but the Giants played their asses off tonight and deserved to win.  Congrats to them.



I still am sitting here in disbelief over that last drive...they almost intercepted 3 passes and had him dead to rights on the play where he twisted out of the sack...amazing
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Matt_Fury on February 4, 2008, 12:05 AM
I am still on cloud nine over this!!!  What's even better is I watched the game in my Giants shirt in a bar full of Patriots fans!

On that last Giants drive, when Tyree caught that pass after Eli got away from the I leaned over to a friend of mine and said, after that play, I don't care if they win...it was just so exciting to see them take the fight to the Patriots!  Then they won and that made it even better!

Now off to NFL Shop to get some championship stuff!   ;D
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Nicklab on February 4, 2008, 12:46 AM
WOW.  Just wow.  I remember the 1991 Super Bowl so vividly, and I think this Super Bowl was sweeter.  The Giants had to work their asses off learning the new defense after starting 0-2, and this was just beautiful.  And to upset the Patriots possible undefeated season?  My head is still buzzing.  I almost want to play hookie from work on Tuesday to go to the parade.

One of the best things in the game?  David Tyree getting involved in some major plays.  That guy has been working his ass off, trying to stay on the team.  He's become a great special teams player, and to see him make some big plays at WR was fantastic!  That one catch where he bent backwards was just awesome.

And the defense?  These guys could give the Giants of the 80's a run for their money.  The pass rush has been phenomenal all year long.  Strahan has been great over the course of his career.  And to have Osi Umenyiora putting up some serious pressure on the other end of the line has been great.  And then to have Justin Tuck really coming up in a big way this season and especially during the playoffs, it's been awesome.
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: King_Maul on February 4, 2008, 12:59 AM
To me not being a big NFL fan, the Superbowl was fantastic.  I enjoyed watching the game a lot.  The Tyree catch was awesome.
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Nicklab on February 4, 2008, 01:05 AM
I'm just a wee bit bitter, but the Giants played their asses off tonight and deserved to win.  Congrats to them.



I still am sitting here in disbelief over that last drive...they almost intercepted 3 passes and had him dead to rights on the play where he twisted out of the sack...amazing

Hey, I still remember the Minnesota game and how horrendous that was.  So to turn things around from that game to this....it's just phenomenal!  I think the hard times and losses this season really made this Super Bowl that much better.

And that's definitely not meant to rain on the parade of the Pats.  What they did this season was unbelievable.  I think 6 of those wins were questionable since the AFC East was so weak this year, but that's just picking.  They had a tough schedule and beat some tough teams.  And they played a tough game tonight.
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Matt_Fury on February 4, 2008, 01:16 AM
Why I have been a Giants fan. (http://www.giants.com/news/eisen/story.asp?story_id=26942)

It's not how you win, but how you lose. (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/nfl_experts/post/If-he-s-going-to-lose-Bill-Belichick-would-rath?urn=nfl,64971)

The Second story, I'm posting because although I'm willing to give Belichick the benefit of the doubt right now, if he doesn't explain leaving the field before his team, I will not think of him as a great coach, but as a classless loser.

The first story, I'm posting because it's just so damn inspiring and has been part of the Giants' heart for years.
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Jesse James on February 4, 2008, 01:20 AM
I can't believe how many people thought the game was so bad because of scoring...  I thought the Defensive play was great to watch, and just as enjoyable as watching two QB's slug it out with big passes.  The offenseive picked up in the second half with incredible plays.  It was an entertaining game to me overall though I thought, and I actually went into it without really caring about it (too much).

I was rooting for NY, so I'm glad they won it, and congrats to Dressel for the confidence in the win.  It's always sweeter when you're the underdog (believe me, us over here know all about that).

My buddy bet NY by 2...  He's due some decent cash tomorrow I guess. :)

Matt beat me to the post, so I'll reply to his too...

I  agree on giving Belichick the benefit of the doubt on that.  I figure with the 1 second discrepency, he left the field thinking his mid-field duties were done, he was disgusted, figured the game was over or the clock issue wasn't an issue, and it was just a mistake.  Local media's all over that though, already chastising him as a crybaby.  I can't say either way though as it really could've been a "mistake" basically.
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Nicklab on February 4, 2008, 07:46 AM
I still remember Bellichick as the defensive coordinator under Bill Parcells.  He made a name for himself within the league with the Giants.  And to walk off the field when there was still that 1 or 2 seconds to tick off of the clock was pretty classless.  Especially against the team that got him to where he is today within the NFL.
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: JediJman on February 4, 2008, 07:56 AM
THE GIANTS WON!   WOOHOO!  That was easily one of the best Super Bowls in all time history.  What a great game.  I never would have guess that it would still be 7-3 heading into the fourth - all they needed to do was keep it close and get a little inspiration at the end. 

Eli is obviously for real.  I can't believe he escaped that sack in the final minutes! He's going to have magicians calling to ask about that trick.  As for Brady - if anyone has a screen cap of that final sack, please please please direct it my way.  The way he was flying backwards looked like something out of Hollywood.

Congrats to all the G-Men out there and thank you thank you thank you for saving us from having to hear about Randy Maw and Mr. Brady for the next fifty years.  Oh, and Belichick - you're a whiny, classless cheater and your loss proves that there is true justice in the world.  Nice job of walking off early to really prove what a disrespectful baby you really are.   :P
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: P-Siddy on February 4, 2008, 08:34 AM
I agree that this was one of the best SB I've ever seen! Great game, even better cause the Giants won. I couldn't really call the G-men underdogs because of their record since the boys have been playing so well as of late, and when it counted. They deserved to win it. I've never seen Brady eating turf or off the mark so much that it was enjoyable! Yeah! Go Giants!
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: CHEWIE on February 4, 2008, 09:58 AM
There's a trend in the NFL where the team that loses the Superbowl misses the playoffs the next year... I think that since 2001, every team except one has had that happen.  I'm pretty sure the Pats will come out and still win 12-14 games next year though.
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Neal on February 4, 2008, 10:34 AM
There's a trend in the NFL where the team that loses the Superbowl misses the playoffs the next year... I think that since 2001, every team except one has had that happen.  I'm pretty sure the Pats will come out and still win 12-14 games next year though.

Agreed.  I think that both the Pats and the Giants will be back in the playoffs next year.
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: jedi_master_sal on February 4, 2008, 12:19 PM
Other than Steeler Super Bowls (since I'm a huge fan and live in the 'Burgh), this is the most satisfying Super Bowl ever. Well played by the Giants. I commend them and congratulate their fans. I became a fan of theirs when they played the pats in the last regular season game. They showed tremendous heart in that game which meant absolutely nothing to them as far as the playoffs were concerned.

Also in a small way it was one New York team's vindication of another. The Pats cheated to win that first game against the Jets, so the Giants took them out in the biggest game of the year.

There's already a huge fuss over the whole Red hoodie thing to. The moment I saw that last night I knew it was going to be a bad thing for Belicheat. He'd either look like a marketing genius if they won and people would be scarfing up the red hoodie, or as it turned out people would be cursing him and calling the red hoodie the curse that lost the super bowl for them.

I'm ecstatic over this win!

I'm betting the '72 Dolphins have a truckload of champagne being shipped to the Giants headquarters right now, congratulating them and thanking them for keeping the only undefeated team record intact.
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: ruiner on February 4, 2008, 12:38 PM

There's already a huge fuss over the whole Red hoodie thing to.

There should be rules in regards to the coaching staff and their attire.  Remember the good ol' days when coaches wore suits and ties? 

Bill needs to retire the cut-offs.  It looks ridiculous and is unprofessional.

Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Nicklab on February 4, 2008, 01:14 PM

There should be rules in regards to the coaching staff and their attire.  Remember the good ol' days when coaches wore suits and ties? 


I know.  Guys like Landry and Lombardi looked like men back in the day with the suits and ties.  Now there are actually NFL rules saying that coaches can only wear suits or something like that 2 times a season.  The rest of the season these guys have to wear team attire.  WTF kind of rule is that?

And Kraft should say SOMETHING to Bellichick.  He dresses like a shlub on the sidelines.  Not like the head coach of one of the best teams in professional football.
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Dressel Rebel on February 4, 2008, 01:52 PM
Now there are actually NFL rules saying that coaches can only wear suits or something like that 2 times a season.  The rest of the season these guys have to wear team attire.  WTF kind of rule is that?

That's really interesting.  I don't see the Jaguars that much, but it seems that Jack Del Rio is in a suit every time I do see him.

So busy since yesterday, but Dressel's Super Bowl take a little later!

(http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/sp/tools/med/2008/02/ipt/1202147383.jpg)
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: ruiner on February 4, 2008, 01:54 PM
You can wear team attire and still look professional:

(http://www.da-chicago-bears.com/images/Mike-Ditka.jpg)
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Morgbug on February 4, 2008, 02:01 PM
Anyone else think Manning DIDN'T deserve the MVP?
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Mikey D on February 4, 2008, 02:12 PM
Who else you going to give it to?  All 11 players on the Giants D?

Eli did have those 2 fumbles (both recovered by the Giants) and the INT (off a tip, not really his fault), but did also drive the Giants 85 yards with no timeouts and under 2 minutes left to win the game.  I'd say he was deserving.

And it pains me to say that.

Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Nicklab on February 4, 2008, 02:44 PM
Anyone else think Manning DIDN'T deserve the MVP?

From the scoring standpoint, he deserves it.  But how could you award the MVP to an entire D-Line?
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: JediJman on February 4, 2008, 02:46 PM
There's a trend in the NFL where the team that loses the Superbowl misses the playoffs the next year... I think that since 2001, every team except one has had that happen.  I'm pretty sure the Pats will come out and still win 12-14 games next year though.

Agreed.  I think that both the Pats and the Giants will be back in the playoffs next year.

Really?  You think it will be a rematch of this year's Super Bowl?  I would put any amount of money on these two not facing each other again next year.
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Nicklab on February 4, 2008, 02:46 PM
Now there are actually NFL rules saying that coaches can only wear suits or something like that 2 times a season.  The rest of the season these guys have to wear team attire.  WTF kind of rule is that?

That's really interesting.  I don't see the Jaguars that much, but it seems that Jack Del Rio is in a suit every time I do see him.

So busy since yesterday, but Dressel's Super Bowl take a little later!

(http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/sp/tools/med/2008/02/ipt/1202147383.jpg)

Jack Del Rio has been one of the coaches that's been pushing for this.  I've seen him wear suits on the sidelines, but supposedly the rule is twice a season.

It's probably some marketing/merchandising thing, where they want the coaches to wear the licensed merchandise.  Effectively making them some kind of a living advertisment.
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Rob on February 4, 2008, 03:35 PM
Eli led two come-back drives in the 4th quarter.

I can't think of any one who deserved it more.
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Dressel Rebel on February 4, 2008, 03:39 PM

Agreed.  I think that both the Pats and the Giants will be back in the playoffs next year.

Really?  You think it will be a rematch of this year's Super Bowl?  I would put any amount of money on these two not facing each other again next year.

He said they'd both be back in the playoffs.  Not back in the Super Bowl.

I also think they'll both be back in the playoffs.  Of course, JediJman, you haven't given the Giants a stitch of credit all throughout the playoffs, while I remained confident they could compete with any team in this league.

The Patriots may take a hit if they don't pay Moss, he could be in another jersey next season.  I think Welker and Stallworth are good, but of course that's when Moss has 2+ defenders on him deep down the field.  I'm not sure Welker will be as effective underneath, without the deep threat Moss on the field.

At any rate, they are both playoff teams next year barring injury.
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Matt_Fury on February 4, 2008, 03:46 PM
The Pats will be in the playoffs next year because they are a great team in one of the weakest divisions in the NFL.  If the Giants played Miami and the Jets twice every year they would've had a better record.

The Giants are in the historically, one of the toughest divisions in the NFL.  Three of the 4 teams went to the playoffs this year, and none of them backed into the playoffs.

As far as the coach's attire, I think you can wear team attire and not look like you live under a bridge.  Coughlin looked professional on the sidelines and I like the pic of Ditka as well.  The 49ers' coach also wears a jacket and tie on the sidelines every game, just like his recently departed father always did.


As far as Eli getting the MVP?  Yes he deserves it....avoiding 4 sacks and throwing that pass to Tyree (who made an incredible catch), that play is going to be in NFL films right next to the Immaculate Reception from when Terry Bradshaw played.  That play along with the win just ensured both of their inductions into the Hall of Fame.

I hope Eli starts getting a fair shake in the NY press...they've been brutal on him the past three years.
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: P-Siddy on February 4, 2008, 04:04 PM
I think Eli deserved the MVP. I previously ripped on Eli yearly this year, but he has matured and not shown the jitters recently. He's earned my respect as a QB. I might not like him (or the Giants) when he plays my Eagles, but they were outstanding last night. But Eli escaping that seeming-certain sack to get that pass completed was one of the best highlights one can get!

And if Eli didn't get the MVP, the D-line sure had to. Never seen Brady pressured, hit, or on his back like I did yesterday.

Okay... Dressel, a request for you... mug the camera at the parade!!  ;D
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Nicklab on February 4, 2008, 04:06 PM
The Pats will be in the playoffs next year because they are a great team in one of the weakest divisions in the NFL.  If the Giants played Miami and the Jets twice every year they would've had a better record.

Very true.  The Jets?  They stink.  Buffalo?  I'm surprised the franchise is still there.  And Miami has just been embarassing the past few years.  And even with Parcells taking over the GM role in that franchise, it will probably be a couple of years before the Dolphins are competitive again.

I hope Eli starts getting a fair shake in the NY press...they've been brutal on him the past three years.

I hope so too.  The team was really good on the road.  And that playoff run was phenomenal.  But the sports writers in NY are like a bunch of rabid hyenas.  If Eli has a bad game, they'll throw him under the bus almost immediately.  It's just the nature of the NY newspapers.
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Matt_Fury on February 4, 2008, 04:17 PM
True enough Nick...although I doubt they Giants mind press like this (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=dw-winnerslosers020308&prov=yhoo&type=lgns) for a while.
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Jesse James on February 4, 2008, 05:34 PM
Anyone else think Manning DIDN'T deserve the MVP?

Me...

He didn't have a stellar game, and I think one of the linebackers deserved it much more, personally.  Though, from an offensive perspective, he didn't do poorly, the defense just seemed overlooked by most people for the entire game IMO, and they truly decided the thing.  Hell, it could've been lost in that last 30 seconds considering who they were against, and the defense 100% shut down the best QB and receiver core in the league.  I think the MVP goes where it goes because defense isn't overly appreciated by the masses is all.
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: john todd on February 4, 2008, 06:26 PM
Anyone else think Manning DIDN'T deserve the MVP?

Me...

me too... someone from the defense should have gotten it.  the offense sucked for most of the game putting up only 3 points.  if not for brilliant defense,  the pats would have run up the score and eli would have had to force plays and he would have looked like early season eli.

of course brady has at least 2 superbowl mvp's because no one stood out, so why not eli.
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Paul on February 4, 2008, 07:09 PM
Anyone else think Manning DIDN'T deserve the MVP?

Me..

I mean Wes Welker can't do it all...well he can but they won't let him.

But seriously...

There was no one defensive Standout...or one single defensive play that made a difference.  It had to go to the winning quarterback by default.
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Scott on February 4, 2008, 07:17 PM
Now there are actually NFL rules saying that coaches can only wear suits or something like that 2 times a season.  The rest of the season these guys have to wear team attire.  WTF kind of rule is that?

That's really interesting.  I don't see the Jaguars that much, but it seems that Jack Del Rio is in a suit every time I do see him.

So busy since yesterday, but Dressel's Super Bowl take a little later!

(http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/sp/tools/med/2008/02/ipt/1202147383.jpg)

Jack Del Rio has been one of the coaches that's been pushing for this.  I've seen him wear suits on the sidelines, but supposedly the rule is twice a season.

It's probably some marketing/merchandising thing, where they want the coaches to wear the licensed merchandise.  Effectively making them some kind of a living advertisment.
Actually, former Vikings Coach (and now Jags assistant) Mike Tice was really pushing for the suits back when he took over for Denny Green.  He actually wore one and got fined because it was not league approved which is why Reebok actually came out with an official game suit
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Neal on February 4, 2008, 07:48 PM
  That play along with the win just ensured both of their inductions into the Hall of Fame.


I know it's early in his career, but I'm not sure that David Tyree is a lock for the Hall of Fame just yet.  Neither is Eli, for that matter, but he already has a MUCH better chance than Tyree.  Players don't get into the Hall on one play ... even if it is one of the greatest plays in Super Bowl history.

As for Eli deserving the MVP ... of course he did.  As someone mentioned, too many Giants defenders played great to single one out.  And, Eli passed for something like 152 yards ... in the 4th quarter alone!  He led them on the drive that gave them the lead at 10-7 early in the 4th, and then he pulled his Houdini imitation and led them on the game-winning drive.  No one was more deserving of the MVP than he was.  And it wasn't even close.
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Sprry75 on February 4, 2008, 08:19 PM
While I'm disappointed in the outcome (come on, how cool would it have been for the Pats--or any team--to have an undefeated season?), I thought it was a fantastic game.  I can't remember seeing another game I enjoyed more.  Gotta give it to the Giants, and Eli.  That play...holy crap, that play....
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: JediJman on February 4, 2008, 09:36 PM
While I'm disappointed in the outcome (come on, how cool would it have been for the Pats--or any team--to have an undefeated season?), I thought it was a fantastic game.  I can't remember seeing another game I enjoyed more.  Gotta give it to the Giants, and Eli.  That play...holy crap, that play....

I would say that it would not be cool at all.  Not sure about you, but the thought of hearing about Randy and his undefeated season for the next fifty years makes me want to vomit.  Thank you Elly Manning!
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: evenflow on February 6, 2008, 02:06 PM
I am so happy the patriots lost.
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Jayson on February 8, 2008, 09:27 AM
The outcome of the game could have been much worse (http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/story/108361).
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: P-Siddy on February 8, 2008, 10:42 AM
Sicko...
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Nicklab on February 9, 2008, 10:59 AM
Sports talk radio in New York seems OBSESSED with naming the pass from Eli Manning to David Tyree.  Obviously it was the turning point of the game, and a lot of the commentators are calling it quite possibly the biggest play in Super Bowl history.  But does it really have to have a name?!?!?
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: P-Siddy on February 9, 2008, 12:32 PM
Miracle on Grass? ala the US Hockey team beating the Soviets in 80 in where-else: New York.
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Scott on February 9, 2008, 01:06 PM
Hail Manning
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Dressel Rebel on February 9, 2008, 06:02 PM
Hail Manning

Hail Strahan!

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Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Scott on February 9, 2008, 06:09 PM
Why would the Manning-Tyree play be called the Hail Strahan?
Title: Re: NFL 2007-08
Post by: Dressel Rebel on February 9, 2008, 09:43 PM
Why would the Manning-Tyree play be called the Hail Strahan?

No duh!  :)

I'm just saying - Manning was great in the 4th quarter, but if it weren't for the D keeping Brady to 14 points, we'd have gotten our butts kicked.

I guess Eli should get the MVP for leading those 2 TD drives in the 4th quarter, but if you look at the whole game, the Co-MVP's should have been Strahan, Umenyiora, Cofield, Robbins, Tuck, and hell, even the secondary.