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Community => Watto's Junk Yard => Topic started by: Sprry75 on January 8, 2011, 08:59 PM
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I just read that Stephen Sommers won't direct the G.I. Joe sequel. (http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/movies/2011/01/gi-joe-sequel-stephen-sommers-wont-direct.html)
The first movie was better than I expected, and I have to admit it's a bit of a guilty pleasure, but still, I'm glad to see Sommers is gone. I'd like to see the property in different hands and get the story line, characters, and especially Cobra designs back to more familiar territory.
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I'm kind of cautiously optimistic about this- yes, Sommers is gone, but I get the feeling that his replacement will only be worse, like Uwe Boll worse. And since Sommers and Bay have made the GI Joe and TF films into such farces, I can't see any real talent taking a crack at GI Joe 2.
But then somebody might be looking for a big payday and will be more than happy to take it on.
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I loved almost everything about the first movie outside of the underwater battle at the end. That was just overdone and looked silly. However I thought the plot was great, with the entire scheme being a takeover of the US government.
I'm intrigued by how they will go about this in the next film... would also love to see some more familiar designs in place, mostly with Cobra.
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Yeah, I'm terribly disappointed that Sommers is gone. The GI Joe movie was just like the Sunbow cartoon, and it moved at a nice pace. Too bad that the cast will probably change, but with any luck they won't do another damn origin story. I am so tired of franchise origin stories.
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At least one actor (so far) will be back... (http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/lee-byung-hun-reprise-gi-72401)
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Things are looking different for the sequel (August 12, 2012 release date)
Sienna Miller said she wouldn't come back.
And From Rachel Nichols' twitter
GI JOE 2 News Flash: The only characters to return in the JON CHU directed sequel will be SNAKE EYES, STORM SHADOW, and DUKE...
5:52 PM Mar 3rd via Twitter for iPhone
Wow. I thought Tatum blew, and he's one of two speaking characters returning. Maybe Shipwreck will be added to this trainwreck!
So COBRA rose and now what...the one character who most likely died is the only Cobra? ???
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I think it's kind of a mistake not to bring Scarlett back, but if it means we get to see some other characters, I'm all for it. Flint, Lady Jaye, Beach Head, Tomax & Xamot...
Also, Cobra Commander and Destro are wearing masks (more or less) now, so they could easily recast those characters. Maybe, they'll recast Duke too. *pipe dream*
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Channing Tatum should have been the first actor to go. Hell, they could lose Duke from the film entirely and I wouldn't mind a bit.
I really don't take the quote from Nichols too seriously yet, though. She says "characters" but I'm wondering if she could mean actors. But, the Joe team is large enough that they could dump everyone from the first film and still build out an impressive roster. Maybe we'll finally get Roadblock instead of Heavy Duty, Dialtone over Breaker, Lady Jaye instead of Scarlett...etc. Hell, they could lose Destro and replace him with Major Bludd for all I care. But for ****'s sake, get rid of Tatum and find someone who is actually a Joe fan to consult on the script.
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But for ****'s sake, get rid of Tatum and find someone who is actually a Joe fan to consult on the script.
That's the best thing the sequel has going for it, it is being written by Zombieland screenwriters Rhett Reese and Paul Wernick (http://moviesblog.mtv.com/2010/02/17/exclusive-zombieland-writers-visiting-gi-joe-headquarters-planning-for-new-characters/). The first movie Wernick made was a stop motion GI Joe movie when he was a kid, and Reese has said, "we're not allowed to talk about what the movie's about, but just know that we have a deep affection for GI Joe and that we'll bring our absolute best to it."
Additionally, although director John Chu's track record is almost exclusively ****** films that I wouldn't watch if you paid me, but I think he's got the right idea:
[G.I.] Joe, to me, is iconic. It is as American as Coke and the Boy Scouts. To have that kind of history in a brand is so rare these days. And that is so powerful. So you can’t treat Joe like its just another action movie. You can’t treat Joe as just another petty commercial movie. Joe has history. Joe has always been a part of what America is, and now the world. What it means to be a leader and a hero. For me, it is about the fun stuff like Storm Shadow and Snake Eyes, and all the gadgets. All of that stuff. But it has heart. Its heart is what America, and what heroes and leaders around the world, strive to be. I think that is what the brand needs. It needs the respect to be treated in that way.
If Tatum is returning, then I hope it's just so they can kill him off early on. Nichols is hot, but I can take or leave her. Sienna Miller was great as the Baroness, but they screwed up that character so bad I won't miss her.
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I actually quite enjoyed the first Joe film, and am pretty annoyed that they'd change things up with the actors so much...
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Well if the writers are familiar with writing for zombies (I am assuming they are, having not seen Zombieland), then they are gonna love "Carole" Channing Tatum .
I wonder if Sienna Miller felt she compromised her principals before or after they decided to NOT bring her back? Seems convenient that her announcement came out about the same time the cast/character announcements were made. An actor claiming they comprised their principals by taking a role (and big paycheck) is laughable at best. Seems like posturing for one of those roles in a movie that nobody goes to see, but the self absorbed critics love (Hey rise of cobra got half of that right).
I'm glad she won't be back, it seems that she and Channing Tatum had the most contempt for our beloved "Mythos" out of all the actors involved.
I would even be ok if they started GI Joe:2 with Snake Eyes or Timber waking up and Rise of Cobra having been a bad dream brought on by some Ninja trance.
I'm going in with extremely low expectations, so I won't be as disappointed this time.
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I thought the first one had some interesting points but I hated all kinds of things about it at the same time... It was like a Prequal to me. I liked aspects, and in the right hands it could've been far better.
I hope a sequal is treated better though.
And ditch the "super man suits". I mean, seriously. HALO called and said they want their **** back.
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Hearing that Christopher Eccleston and Joseph Gordon-Levitt would likely not be reprising their roles as Destro and Cobra Commander, respectively, disappoints me, since they were pretty much the only good actors in the first film, IMHO. That might be a bit too dismissive, though, as I thought Rachel Nichols was okay as Scarlett and Ray Park did a good job physically acting as Snake Eyes. Everyone else in that film I could have done without totally. Sienna Miller did nothing for me as the Baroness (I actually thought she did a good job as Anna during the flashback portions of the film), and the less said about Channing Tatum and Marlon Wayans, the better.
All that being said, I have two thoughts on the new film, particularly as it relates to Jon Chu:
1-If people think this means LESS Channing Tatum, I have a feeling you're in for a nightmare, since C-Tate got his (relative) start in the film "Step Up" which, as we all know, Jon Chu directed both sequels to. Duke is taking it to the streets, yo. ::)
2-Given Chu's directoral resume of late, something tells me we might be in for a straight adaptation of that old (awful) Sunbow cartoon episode where Snake Eyes breakdances. IN 3-D! The crap flying off the screen will put Jackass 3D's ass volcano to shame.
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Yeah, not sure what to think about this. Although I didn't hate the first one, and I'm glad they are giving the franchise another shot on the big screen, I guess I'm ok with a relative "reboot" or whatever you might call it of this one. When I first saw ROC in the theater, I came out thinking it was pretty entertaining - but we do own the DVD and I can't say I'm rushing to watch it over and over at this point either. I thought Snake Eyes - aside from the "mouth" on the costume - looked pretty cool, and Ray Park of course did a nice job. I wouldn't mind seeing focus shift on other characters like people have already mentioned here. Also, although I know not everything works in live-action, I wouldn't mind seeing something closer to the original cartoon or comics either. I never did really like the new look of Cobra Commander in the movie, and wouldn't mind seeing some more along the lines of the original. Honestly, if the Joes aren't fighting Cobra Commander, Destro, the Baroness, etc. I'm not all that interested either probably. I think they should go ahead and ditch Tatum as well and just go full-on reboot for this one. I just don't know that the overall general audience is going to be all that interested after Rise of Cobra, which wasn't necessarily burning up the box office itself (although I think it did ok overseas and on DVD).
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I loved almost everything about the first movie outside of the underwater battle at the end. That was just overdone and looked silly. However I thought the plot was great, with the entire scheme being a takeover of the US government.
Pretty much same view on that for me.
Reboot of this would be pretty easy,the film did not attain any 'definitive' status.
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I am just hoping visually there are some changes. I could handle Carol Channing Tatum if perhaps the Joes looked a bit different from the Cobras.
The fact that everybody in the movie (except Storm Shadow) wore head to toe all black (with the occasional Zombie Helmet) really annoyed me.
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Holy **** this is looking baaaaaaaad. (http://www.moviehole.net/201139286-exclusive-g-i-joe-2-gets-cross)
Even if it isn't Cross-Country, who the **** is "Cross?" Don't make up new characters, use the real ones. And don't change them, use them as they were (more or less).
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Maybe it's just shortened? I hope? Perhaps? :-\
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I've thought about this some more, and am wondering if they are looking at centralizing a Joe team in the United States for the next film... in the first one, the focus is overseas, with the Pit headquarters somewhere in the Middle East and so much of the action in Europe.
So, it's in the US, it would make sense to have other Joes taking the spotlight... maybe Zartan (POTUS) makes some sort of funding to Cobra secretly with a place known as Cobra Island, and Cobra Commander and Destro are released from prison and get there, or even broken out via the Dreadnoks or something... I don't know. But Dreaknoks in this one could be a lot of fun if they are some of the primary antagonists in the film...
Give us Flint, Lady Jaye, Roadblock, Gung Ho, Spirit, Snake Eyes, Duke and more realistic military designs, create some sort of blue Cobra troopers... have a cameo with General Hawk via a viewscreen or something so he has a role, and I think we could be in for a something good if the designs aren't too "out there" and the acting is better. Because we know the action is going to be good, and the script will probably be decent as the last one wasn't bad really; it just suffered from a few things that went overboard.
I don't mind a lot of the Joes being different characters now, but it HAS to have Duke and Snake Eyes... and I think that Cobra needs to have Cobra Commander and Destro. Baroness would be great, but if she's mentioned as being jailed up, and returns for Part 3, that could be okay. But please, no Serpentor... however, I do want to see Major Bludd. Maybe he can be a US General who defects to Cobra and is part of the buildup on Cobra Island... just my two cents.
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Yeah, I have no problem if they dump Heavy Duty and Breaker (though I liked Scarlett and hope she returns) and add anyother Joes; I just don't want some sort of retconned alternative history. I'd go nuts if they had Beachhead, Stalker, Recondo, Shipwreck and Dusty in addition to the ones you mentioned, Chew. I love the idea of the Dreadnoks.
I really just want the character designs to look like this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7blcENZMdzM).
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I'd go nuts if they had Beachhead, Stalker, Recondo, Shipwreck and Dusty
Great list...
I'd add Steeler, Airborne, Tunnel Rat, and Clutch... Just some of my favs I'd love to see in the movie I guess. The movie could tank though, and I'll ultimately not care then I guess. I've lost most faith in what they're able to do after the first film.
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I'd love to see Beachhead, Tomax & Xamot (as heads of MARS since Destro's locked up) and the Dreadnoks. I'm sure they won't get Tatum back, and Rachel Nichols is out, so I'm guessing Flint and Lady Jaye are the big two this time. Hell, let's throw in Wet Suit since he's my personal favorite.
I enjoyed ROC, but I'm still cautiously optimistic about this one. Doesn't help that one of the producers, who got three TF movies and one Joe movie made, ended his relationship with Paramount last week.
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I thought that Tatum was confirmed as Duke again.
Also, since Ripcord died (apparently) in Joe Renegades, that could be their "out" to not have him in the movie. Which is fine by me.
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I'm still trying to get over the fact that the cast is basically going to be all new except for, possibly, Channing Tatum.
It just seems like this film has had nothing but bad buzz on it from the start. New cast, Jon Chu directing, di Bonaventura is out...Have they announced writers for this yet? It just seems to me that with nearly 30 years of ARAH history to draw from, including comics, cartoons and action figures, that they could come up with something that doesn't suck.
And although I didn't **** all over the first Joe movie, there were a lot of things wrong with it that didn't have to be wrong with it.
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Writers are the only good thing so far.
But for ****'s sake, get rid of Tatum and find someone who is actually a Joe fan to consult on the script.
That's the best thing the sequel has going for it, it is being written by Zombieland screenwriters Rhett Reese and Paul Wernick (http://moviesblog.mtv.com/2010/02/17/exclusive-zombieland-writers-visiting-gi-joe-headquarters-planning-for-new-characters/). The first movie Wernick made was a stop motion GI Joe movie when he was a kid, and Reese has said, "we're not allowed to talk about what the movie's about, but just know that we have a deep affection for GI Joe and that we'll bring our absolute best to it."
Additionally, although director John Chu's track record is almost exclusively ****** films that I wouldn't watch if you paid me, but I think he's got the right idea:
[G.I.] Joe, to me, is iconic. It is as American as Coke and the Boy Scouts. To have that kind of history in a brand is so rare these days. And that is so powerful. So you can’t treat Joe like its just another action movie. You can’t treat Joe as just another petty commercial movie. Joe has history. Joe has always been a part of what America is, and now the world. What it means to be a leader and a hero. For me, it is about the fun stuff like Storm Shadow and Snake Eyes, and all the gadgets. All of that stuff. But it has heart. Its heart is what America, and what heroes and leaders around the world, strive to be. I think that is what the brand needs. It needs the respect to be treated in that way.
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I guess I should have read back a page...
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Maybe Jon Chu is the right guy after all...
I was always a fan of Joe. I grew up with Joe. I had all the toys and I had epic adventures - they'd be burned, they'd be in mud, they'd be hidden in the couch. I loved them. I'm convinced I learned the beginning of my storytelling from playing with toys, no doubt. And it's hard for me to put down any filmmaker's work because I know how hard it is to make a movie, and I never want to do that; just to be able to get it done is an incredible feat in itself. But there's something about G.I. Joe that has history, that has a soul, and there's very few brands have a soul. Like the Boy Scouts has something to do with America, even Mickey Mouse, even Apple has a soul to it. And Joe has a soul. And I've never felt like I've had a movie of Joe of where I can taste my childhood right there.
So when I found out they were doing a second one, I [told Paramount] you've got to do this one the way we've always wanted to see - and they were like, what do you mean? And there's a reality to Joe, there's like a grittiness to Joe; when I would burn them and their arm would fall off, the story would revolve around the guy whose arm fell off. It was about how each figurine had their own special accessory that was a part of their identity. It wasn't just brushing them aside, like, oh this group of guys, let's go attack that thing, and they have a cool car! It was always that detail, that grittiness that I feel like if Joe had it in there, it would be a totally different movie and have a totally different feel. So I approached them about what that would be like, and they loved the idea. And they had a script that was close, and we're going now in and making it the way it should be. And the script they have is really good, actually, so we now want to build in a few more things that will make it even better.
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The more I read comments from actors and directors and people on the "inside," the more I feel like they're just making **** up because it's what they think we, the viewing public, want to hear.
And also, I think they're all mostly self-centered egomaniacs that think what they do is that much more important than what the rest of society does, even though if every job for every actor, director and scriptwriter went away the world would function just fine. But take away all the garbage men in LA for one week and those same ******* would have a mental meltdown and check themselves into rehab to deal with it.
I would also like to revoke the right to use the word "surreal" from everyone in Hollywood.
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Joseph Gordon-Levitt out as CC (http://collider.com/joseph-gordon-levitt-interview-hesher-looper-inception-gi-joe-2-karaoke/88551/)
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The news keeps improving.
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It won't really be improvement worthy till we find out Channing Tatum isn't coming back.
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It won't really be improvement worthy till we find out Channing Tatum isn't coming back.
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True. I thought that guy was a douche. Certainly they can find a better actor to play Duke.
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No, scratch Duke. Keep Hawk and add Falcon.
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Or Flint even. But I agree E, Carole Channing Tatum was dreadful.
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I think the whole thing was ridiculous and corny with the exception of Snake Eyes and Storm Shadow.
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And SS dying was lame, so even that was tainted.
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Or Flint even.
I'd take Flint, but then we gotta have Lady Jaye. I nominate Jensen Ackles and Erica Cerra respectively.
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And SS dying was lame, so even that was tainted.
Non-lethal wound! He'll be back.
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Here's characters I hope to see return:
Cobra Commander (more of an 80s look)
Destro
Storm Shadow
Zartan
Baroness
Duke
Breaker
Snake Eyes
General Hawk
I'm also fine with the same Vipers, but really hope we see the following with some classic looks to them:
Cobra
Major Bludd
Firefly
Scrap Iron
Buzzer
Torch
Ripper
Crimson Guards - classic look
Cobra Troopers - classic look
Joes
Flint
Lady Jaye
Alpine
Bazooka
Beach Head
Main Frame
Roadblock
Gung Ho
And really, really want to see some sort of classic looking HISS Tanks... but who the hell doesn't? :)
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Was curious how you were with all the tornadoes and things over in your state CHEWIE. Glad to see you're fine.
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Here's characters I hope to see return:
Cobra Commander (more of an 80s look)
Destro
Storm Shadow
Zartan
Baroness
Duke
Breaker
Snake Eyes
General Hawk
Word is only Duke, Snake-Eyes and Storm Shadow are returning. But that may mean those same actors.
Joseph Gordon Levitt and Sienna Miller have said outright they won't be back. Rachel Nichols (Scarlett) is saying she's not in it, either.
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And Snakes without Scarlett is unfortunate, too (though RoC had Scarlett and Ripcord as a couple, I guess ::) ). She's the one who truely understands him and all that.
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. . . . and The Rock as Roadblock. I like him, so that's good. But I don't like anything he's been in, so that's bad.
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. . . . and The Rock as Roadblock. I like him, so that's good. But I don't like anything he's been in, so that's bad.
I don't quite smell what's cookin there, but at least it's ROADBLOCK and not this Heavy Duty character guy who seems to have taken RB's identity all these years.
I was also unaware that the director shot Justin Bieber: Never Say Never. ::)
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Was curious how you were with all the tornadoes and things over in your state CHEWIE. Glad to see you're fine.
Just saw this - yes, thankfully we've been out of the path of most of the bad stuff. Thanks!
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Joseph Gordon Levitt and Sienna Miller have said outright they won't be back.
Yeah, I did read that at some point... I'm kind of let down by that. They both did a pretty good job, I thought. Especially JGL.
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Sounds like Flint and the Blind Master are in the sequel, played by DJ Cotrona and RZA respectively.
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/gi-joe-rza-dj-cotrona-205939 (http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/gi-joe-rza-dj-cotrona-205939)
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That gives Flint and Blind Master a little latin and urban flava, respectively. Interesting...
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I'm more than happy to have Flint in the film. I don't think I know this guy playing him, and haven't looked him up yet.
Edit -> I just looked up Cotrona. He was in "Dear John" with Tatum but he was also in "Windfall" and "Skin" with Olivia Wilde before anyone knew who she was.
RZA should be interesting, I don't know if he's acted before other than maybe a cameo in something. It's interesting that they went with the Blind Master but not the Soft Master. Wonder if we'll get Billy also? Or some variant of Billy anyway.
I'm also loving that The Rock is in the film. I'm a big fan of his and no matter what character he's playing, I think it'll be cool. Roadblock is a good character, but Gung Ho would have been good too.
I'm also happy with Jinx, but now that they've included Flint, of course I want to see Lady Jaye.
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http://m.deadline.com/2011/07/adrianne-palicki-joins-g-i-joe-cobra-strikes/ (http://m.deadline.com/2011/07/adrianne-palicki-joins-g-i-joe-cobra-strikes/)
Lady Jaye!
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Very happy we're getting Lady Jaye. Not sure how happy I am about the choice of actress, but they could have done worse.
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Sounds like Sienna Miller might be coming back for GI JOE 2 after all? Would be nice in my opinion... she was pertty much the highlight of the first movie for me.
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http://www.fandango.com/movieblog/bruce-willis-to-join-gi-joe-retaliation-as-original-gi-joe-673718.html?wss=fanmail&type=Newsletter&mailing=8.12.11%20Newsletter
Bruce Willis now ?
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Since this film is slated to release sometime in the summer next year can we expect to see a new GI Joe toy line releasing alongside of the movie's release? and will that mean the 30th anniversary series will be short lived?
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Yeah, Hasbro's already been talking about the 30th not being that long. I don't think we've heard any more concrete info on the film toys but they'll have to have stuff out for Toy Fair if not leaked before that.
I just hope they don't go overboard on this one like they did last time. The good news, though, is that it sounds like Jon Chu is staying a little more classic in his character designs. The snaps that the Rock has posted of him as Roadblock already look more "normal" than what we saw before.
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Well I just hope hasbro decides to go easy on the ridiculously over-the-top launchers that come with the figures this time around for the movie toys. And it would be nice if they continue the same level of craftsmanship on the detail and articulation like they have with POC line.
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Check our Q&A for an answer sort of to that point... Sounds like, while POC set a bar, that it's not a lock that GIJ2 figures will be of the same high quality. It'll be a balance, and in a movie year I expect goofy action featured weapons and less cool stuff. Just like Star Wars.
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(http://cdn.hisstank.com/gi-joe-news/attach/1/GI-Joe-2-Retaliation-05_1320190486.jpg)
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Sorry for the super big hot linked image, but I'm stoked there's actually something in this movie that looks like it should - RB aside kinda.
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First trailer (http://comicbookmovie.com/fansites/JoshWildingNewsAndReviews/news/?a=51142) is online. I know it is just a trailer and everything, but it looks pretty sweet so far. I really like the improved looks of Snake Eyes (who wasn't bad in the first movie aside from the "mouth"), and definitely Cobra Commander.
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New official trailer is up. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bSX2oxLdcWA&sns=em). I think it looks pretty sweet.
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I actually liked the mouth on the Snake Eyes mask in the first movie, it reminds me of the 1985 figure.
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I'm very interested... I didn't like ROC much. I thought some of the figures were cool but I found the movie to be lacking the "feel" that I was hoping for... The nostalgia. I don't know that I'd have gone with The Rock as Roadblock either, but at this stage it was my only "hmmm" moment watching that trailer.
I liked seeing Bruce Willis... I think he's an awesome addition and brings it a little credibility. Snake Eyes and ninjas are always badass.
I'm definitely liking the trailer to this a lot more than ROC... I knew ROC wasn't going to be my thing, but this, I may be digging.
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I love the Roc. Its good to see him. Big surprise to see Bruce Willis. I like this series. Who is playing Cobra Commander this time? I didn't see it named in IMDB.
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I didn't see the first one, but will have to check it out. Trailer for the next one looks awesome. The Roc and Willis? Kick ass.
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Awesome trailer. Makes me wonder why they couldn't make a movie like this in the first place.
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Part of it, I think, is because they rushed the script to beat the writer's strike back in 2007. But, yeah, it wasn't good.
I just watched it on DVD a couple weeks ago and it was the first time I'd seen it since opening night in the theater. It doesn't hold up. I have a lot of problems with it and really don't believe it should have been that hard to come up with a better idea for, well, just about everything.
And the sinking ice still pisses me off. That final battle was pretty terrible, as was some of the CGI during the Paris chase.
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I'm pretty pumped up by the trailer. I definitely like the new look for Snake Eyes. I'm in the camp that didn't like the mouth from the first film. And yes, I'm happy to see Bruce Willis in the film.
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Holy ****! That is James ******* Carville behind the president in the presidential address scene right after Lady Jaye walks up the stairs in the smoking hot red dress.
James ******* Carville!
And is that Helix on the cliff face with Snake Eyes in the yellow/black?
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I like the idea of GI Joe being disavowed and hunted down (like in the IDW ARAH comics). Of course, Zartan is President which doesn't make it too hard to give that order. It'll be interesting to see what's been retconned and I wonder with the attack on the Joes, if any of the last movies characters will be in the mix to explain what happened to Ripcord or Scarlett (they can't kill off Red)?
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I'm not the biggest ROC fan either, although there were some things I liked (primarily SE and SS), but I think this trailer looks pretty sweet. Like Ben mentioned earlier, not sure why they couldn't have just made something like this in the first place. Cobra Commander's "look" (at least what we can see) is so improved, and something I wish they would have done in the first place. I wasn't even sure if I was going to see this before, but now I'm a little more interested. I read a rumor yesterday that the Rock had talked the producers/director into having Sgt. Slaughter cameo in the movie (the real one, whatever his real name is). Not sure if it is true or not though.
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Looks pimp. At least I'm not left scratching my head like I was after watching the ROC trailers - or the entire movie for that matter. Was that a properly domed cc I saw at the white house? Not sure as I think I saw a white dressed domed guy following Storm Shadow later.. ?
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Looks really good so far - but I want to see some sort of classic Cobra Troopers!
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Didn't they kill off Storm Shadow in the last movie?
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Looks pimp. At least I'm not left scratching my head like I was after watching the ROC trailers - or the entire movie for that matter. Was that a properly domed cc I saw at the white house? Not sure as I think I saw a white dressed domed guy following Storm Shadow later.. ?
There's a shot of the president, a domed CC and Firefly standing on a walkway together. There's also a shot of Storm Shadow in a lab of some sort and there are guys in white with domed helmets in tanks. The tanks get blown and then there's a shot of SS walking out of what looks to be the lab followed buy a guy in white with the domed helmet. I'm not sure if that's supposed to be CC or a Viper.
Didn't they kill off Storm Shadow in the last movie?
Yeah, "killed." Snake sliced him up some and then dumped him off catwalk into the water and that's the last we saw of him. Didn't actually see a body so, you know how that goes in a movie.
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Didn't they kill off Storm Shadow in the last movie?
Yeah, "killed." Snake sliced him up some and then dumped him off catwalk into the water and that's the last we saw of him. Didn't actually see a body so, you know how that goes in a movie.
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And I believe there's a shot of Storm Shadow underwater, so it probably shows his escape.
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Makes you wonder if Mr. Windu was down there somewhere swimming around with him. :D
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Didn't they kill off Storm Shadow in the last movie?
Heck almost killed the whole Franchise and 40 year plus Toy line....
I am ok with the trailer. I have guarded optimism.
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If Boba Fett can survive a Sarlac, Mace could easily survive a throw from a thousand story building.
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Heck almost killed the whole Franchise and 40 year plus Toy line....
I am ok with the trailer. I have guarded optimism.
The guarded optimism thing is making me nostalgic for each Prequal.
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Didn't they kill off Storm Shadow in the last movie?
Heck almost killed the whole Franchise and 40 year plus Toy line....
Post of the day!!
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Storm Shadow's survival appears to be very similar to the 80's comic storyline.
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I will have to say, I was very disinterested in Jon Chu as a director when his resume up till "Retaliation" was Justin Bieber and a couple of "Step up" movies. But hearing more and more about how he is a Joe Fan and his enthusiasm for it has won me over a bit.
I cringed every time during ROC the director and producers said they were going to "re-imagine" or "Twist" the joe Mythos. Chu seemed to bring something from the 80's-90's era Joe that most of us know as much as possible.
So while I'm not expecting "Captain America" next summer, I am certainly not in fear of getting "Green Lantern"
Things I like in the Trailer:
Firefly
The Hiss Tank
The Water Mocassin
That they MAY have killed off Duke
Cobra Soldiers look like soldiers and not Alien-Zombies with Turtle Armor.
No lips on Snake Eyes
Things I'm not excited about:
Storm Shadow seems to have the same costume from ROC. I want my ninjas looking like ninjas.
Too many ninjas
They are going for an R rating or so the rumor goes and I don't personally think an R rated movie BASED on a Toy line with figures to Support it is the best plan.
The Joes are on the Run... how many storylines in the Joe-verse can they possibly have that revovle around them being "outlaws" or "Hunted"?
But all in all I want to go see it, I want to buy the toys and I have something to look forward to during Summer blockbuster season.
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Duke dead? maybe - I was kinda thinking maybe he was captured (like Snake Eyes was shown) and Duke will not be showcased most of the movie because of it.
Maybe super sneaky Snake Eyes gets out of Cobra jail and then they save Duke at the end ;D
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I must have missed that part about Duke possibly getting offed....good move if so. I don't like the actor and nothing about him is "Duke"
There were some cool looking vehicles in the trailer though - Cobra Whale perhaps ?
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It was either interviews or ET, but they said that basically Roadblock, Flint and Lady Jaye were the only survivors of the desert assault. Maybe it was wishful thinking on my part.
I like Duke as the Character, but again I like his filecard, Cartoon, Early Comic run persona. Not the Devil's Due, IDW, ROC, Sigma Six, Renegades version.
It is interesting that is sets up like the "Revenge of Cobra" cartoon run. Duke and Scarlett step aside for Flint, Lady Jaye and Roadblock.
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Agreed with what everyone is saying. It is only a trailer so far, but it already looks worlds better than Rise of Cobra. Granted, I didn't absolutely dislike everything about that movie - but overall it was sort of weak, and the "vibe" from this trailer seems a little more in line with what fans were hoping for (at least as far as the looks go and everything). I'm cautiously optimistic. As far as Duke being killed off, that's the first I had heard of it as well - although I've seen a lot of online chatter about it as well. I'm not sure what I'd think of that. On one hand, I'm not a fan of Channing Tatum necessarily (particularly in this part), but at the same time I do like the Duke character from the toons/toyline/comics and I'd hate to see him completely taken off the board in the movie-verse. I wonder who will be playing Cobra Commander, and if the voice will be changed as well. Haven't seen any mention of Destro yet either.
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They are going for an R rating or so the rumor goes and I don't personally think an R rated movie BASED on a Toy line with figures to Support it is the best plan.
This is the first I've heard of this rumor, and not to be an a-hole but it's totally ridiculous. Hasbro and Paramount would never be dumb enough to go for an "R" rating on a movie based on kid's toys. That would alienate a key market for them. (Kids!) Joe 2 will probably be PG-13 like Transformers and Rise of Cobra.
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Bruce Willis should have been cast as Duke from the onset with the first film... Duke is supposed to be tough with dry humor... I hope this movie is so good that it does what ROTS did for the Star Wars prequels.
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Killing Duke is like killing off Optimus Prime, or Spock. Maybe the next one can be The Search for Duke.
Anyway has Beachead made it in the movies yet? He is my fave.
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I agree with Sybeck... change his character fine, but offing him is detrimental to it. Actually I feel offing too many Joes is somewhat detrimental to the storyline since it doesn't jive with the series at all.
I like the trailer... I can separate the movie enough, I just wish I'd get more of the toon in the movie.
Where was Firefly exactly because I just can't find the guy.
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Where was Firefly exactly because I just can't find the guy.
There's a scene, not sure the time (I'll check. EDIT: 1:01) where they show CC (I assume) and some other guy (who reminds me of maj. Bludd without the eyepatch), and further behind him on a catwalk is Firefly, the next scene show the Zartan President.
After looking again, there's a wider shoot of them on the catwalk and there appears to be another guy dressed up in the camo and mask on the screen left as well. So I'm probably wrong that it's Firefly.
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Ray Stevenson (Titus Pullo from Rome is how I know him) IS Firefly.
So the guy next to Cobra Commander and Zartan impersonating the President.
There is a fight between Firefly and Roadblock where they show both the Masked and un-masked Firefly in the trailer as well. Not exactly in his classic Garb, but a change I can live with.
I agree with Jesse on killing characters, and this is hollywood, he wouldn't be really dead...
IMDB does not list Destro, Baroness, Scarlett, Breaker, Heavy Duty or COBRA COMMANDER
But DOES list: Blind Master, Flint, Tunnel Rat, Havoc, Mouse , Cobra Soldier and Cobra Storm Trooper
It is an exciting time, like I said, if nothing else it gives me something to look forward to this summer and Toy Fair 2012
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Wow he changed a lot since he wrote The Streak.
(http://images.sodahead.com/polls/001040935/Ray20Stevens_answer_3_xlarge.jpeg)
I figured he was dead, like Dave Coullier and Lee Greenwood.
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I would be very surprised if they kill off Duke because Hasbro has spent a lot of years and money making him the poster child for the line.
The rumor seems to stem from the fact that Tatum is shown in the dessert and then after the attack it's said that they're all dead. That seems to imply that Duke is dead also, even though we don't see him. But, we also don't see him any later in the trailer either.
In RoC there were a lot of unnamed Joes running around the Pit and it may be a similar thing this time in the dessert. It's kind of implied that the Joes from RoC (Breaker, Ripcord, Scarlett, Heavy Duty, etc) could be dead from the trailer but since they aren't named, I think it would not be in Hasbro's best interest to kill them all off. I'm wondering if those Joes, and others, could be off-screen and jailed as renegades or scattered and that's why we don't see them. Plus, the Joe roster is so huge, even without killing them, we could never see some of those characters again on film and still have a great pool of people to add to the team later. Gung Ho, for one!
My final thought on Duke; since RoC didn't use the disfigurement storyline on Snake Eyes, and assuming Chu didn't change that, Duke could be all messed up in the attack but ultimately survive only to be recast after his miraculous recovery and extensive plastic surgery and looking strikingly like Sam Worthington. Or Tom Hardy? Maybe Cam Gigandet? I'd take Ryan McPartlin also.
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It looks like the Super Bowl Spot for this is already online:
http://movies.ign.com/articles/121/1217722p1.html (http://movies.ign.com/articles/121/1217722p1.html)
Short, but a few new clips in there.
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Now that is more like it!
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I finally caught Rise of Cobra last night (yes, I know I am way behind on my movies). I thought it was pretty solid. The overall plot was a little predictable, but the story wasn't bad and the action sequences were fantastic. The focus on the Baroness as the baddie was great - she had a lot of good little one-liners among her other assets. Some good name dropping of various old school Joes as well. They are definitely set up well for the second flick - cna't wait to see it!
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Will this new movie have anything to do with Rise of Cobra?
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Pretty sure Zartan will still be playing the president and Cobra takes over the white house (you can see the huge cobra flags on the wh in the trailer) I'm just glad this new director is a fan of the 80's toys/toon so hopefully he delivers. IIRC all he has done before this though was direct a Justin Bieber video. :-\
Just a fewr recent bits from HISS/Huffington:
You're a G.I. Joe fan. In a perfect world, would you rather have just rebooted this franchise from scratch considering the first movie is nothing like G.I. Joe?
Yeah, I mean, for any filmmaker you want to start with nothing.
Joseph Gordon-Levitt is not in this movie. Under the mask, is this the same character that Levitt played?
No. [Smiling] But we figured out a way that's pretty nice. And you get the Cobra Commander that you've always wanted. Or, to me, what I always wanted: a bad-ass villain. He's one of the most iconic villains ever. I'm even following him on Twitter -- he's so funny.
Was that one of your first commands as director? "Cobra Commander has to look like Cobra Commander."
Yeah, definitely, no doubt. That and no lips on Snake Eyes. And no laser guns. And as much real, physical stunts as we can. I don't want to shoot on a green screen. Of course we had to do some green screen, but, for the most part, we got to shoot a lot of practical stunts.
And we may see Destro?
[Smiling] You may see a little glimpse of Destro. We'll have to see. Speaking of the comic book, I love "Silent Interlude." It's one of my favorite. Obviously that changed everything for Joe. We do a little homage in our movie to "Silent Interlude." I'm very excited for the fans to see what we do with that.
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Another Trailer - Includes Possible Spoiler (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFe_ngyse9U)
(http://www.yojoe.com/newspics/2012-04-25/trailer3-3.jpg)
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found this close up of Firefly @ TNI
(http://i.toynewsi.com/g/albums/GIJoe_2///////Fire_Fly1.jpg)
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http://www.superherohype.com/news/articles/170723-gi-joe-retaliation-delayed-until-2013
just saw this. my jaw is on the floor........
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So, they delay the movie that might actually make them money? WTF. This has got to be some sort of sick joke. Not only is Hasbro left out in the cold, I was looking forward to seeing Retaliation this summer. I guess Avenger or Prometheus will get second viewings instead.
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Is it April 1st?! This has got to be a joke. I mean, did Paramount expect Battleship to do well? I guess all these Joe trailers have been exactly what they're supposed to be, teasers. >:(
I was looking forward to catching this, too.
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It may be unfair to Hasbro to call them out over this, I'm sure this was Paramount generated, but it being a Hasbro property, it seems like they would have had some type of input.
I doubt that Paramount suffers any financial impact as far as Hasbro's toy plans and releases go, but the advertising that they did, Super Bowl commercials aren't cheap, has already cost some money. Unless I saw the ledger proving otherwise, I still don't see how this isn't a big financial blow to Paramount. I can only guess what it'll do to Hasbro, but it's not going to do anything good.
Hell, Hasbro even cancelled the Renegades toon because they were concentrating on the movie and didn't want to confuse people. I'm thinking THAT decision suddenly doesn't look so good either.
I've always been as much a fan of Hasbro's as I have of their SW and Joe toy lines. But even my patience has about run out with them and their fault or not, this isn't helping their case with me.
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Isn't the movie already out overseas?
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It may be unfair to Hasbro to call them out over this, I'm sure this was Paramount generated, but it being a Hasbro property, it seems like they would have had some type of input.
This had to have been a mutual decision between Paramount and Hasbro execs so I think it's perfectly fair to blame both groups. I really think the Battleship flop had a lot to do with this, and prompted both parties to aim for getting some Fast Five- type money in the spring rather than let Retaliation be moderately successful this summer.
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Was talking with someone tonight that Hasbro doesn't have nearly as much control over this one as the last one... I'm not so sure Hasbro had much of a say here, honestly.
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Just yesterday they announced the DVD/Blu-Ray release date of it. :P
They really think by next March that it will do that much better? Media will be circling Retaliation like vultures, assuming it was held back because it was terrible.
This could be a huge blow to the GI JOE toy line's future, and I bet it's fate already had a lot riding on Retaliation.
Hasbro has to deal with that and what do about ATTACK OF THE CLONES tie-ins after this year's muddling response to The Phantom Menace.
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I've seen the theory floated that Retaliation screened really terribly and the reason for the 3D conversion is to reshoot the crap as much as it is to shoot additional 3D scenes and then convert it.
The Rock tweeted "designing new scenes to enhance 3D" when a guy posted that he hoped 3D is worth the wait. That kind of says to me that they need to fix something.
Don't know.
I do know this; it shouldn't be that hard to create a decent movie with characters and a history that's 30 years old. There's so much story to pick and choose from whether it's cartoon or comic or action figure file cards. There are nearly endless story ideas that could be adapted and modernized and crafted into a movie that pays homage to what came before while being different enough to be original and entertaining.
I'm generally disgusted with Hollywood anyway. While I loved Avengers and The Hunger Games, my three favorite films so far this year are Haywire, John Carter and Act of Valor. With the exception of John Carter, the other two weren't what I'd call big studio movies but they were all really good.
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What I find screwed up is that it was announced for Blu-Ray in late September mere hours before this news dropped.
This move will only lose them money. The hype machine is in top gear, and this happens. Like it's a GI Joe fan's fault Battleship looked like one of the shittiest movies ever made.
I find it hard to believe Hasbro is just going along with this. They stand to lose so much money by the toys already being at retail for a movie that won't arrive for ten months. The stuff will be on closeout before then.
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Maybe they had to put that Wayans guy in it? >:D
But I can't see them killing off all these characters like Duke or Scarlett since they are major players in the story. Ripcord is expendable.
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Hasbro.....what happend? They seem to be missing their mark on all 3 of their lines - well the big 3 that I'm still into at least. And how could they (Paramount) make another crappy Joe movie!? Granted everyone hates the TF movies, but they raked in tons of cash so why couldn't they make this work for Joe? So much that they could have pulled from to really make a kick ass movie.
Maybe there were too much NINJANINJA everything in this movie?
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The TRU by my work put out their movie Joe stuff today. Bought some cool stuff for my son, but this movie delay just sucks.
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What kills me is that Battleship caused this. Show of hands- who is surprised that this was stillborn at the box office? Sheesh.
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I don't know if that was it--at least, not the only thing. General's Joes had a report from someone who saw the test screening and said it was terrible. No character development, enormous plot holes, and various scenes and characters thrown together in a hodge podge of senseless sequencing. The returns probably came back negative, and the studio figured it would be better to try and fix it than to let it tank. Or, at very least, to enhance it with 3D to make sure that most of the people who only see it once will pay a $5 premium to see the piece of ****.
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GI Joe delayed to reshoot the whole damned movie because it sucked. (http://www.deadline.com/2012/05/big-problems-behind-g-i-joe-2s-big-delay/)
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Wow. I just don't understand how they can deliver something sub par with a franchise with the history of GI Joe. I'd bet that there are literally hundreds (thousands?) of nerds (used affectionately) that could write an awesome script for this and do it for free.
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They'll have a fun time un-killing-off a character. It'll be like that movie in Futurama where they splice in random reaction shots of Calculon.
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Wow. I just don't understand how they can deliver something sub par with a franchise with the history of GI Joe. I'd bet that there are literally hundreds (thousands?) of nerds (used affectionately) that could write an awesome script for this and do it for free.
This...seriously....wtf ???
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If only they kept Tatum and killed off that Wayans doosh instead. I'd probably go see the movie ten times.
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Tatum sucks too man....He is no Duke - or at least he doesn't know how to act like a lead.
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No one should die in the movies... they should all survive that missile about to hit that Skystriker by ejecting at the last second. :-*
Maybe they should just do a reboot already... then they don't even need Mr Abs.
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Tatum sucks too man....He is no Duke - or at least he doesn't know how to act like a lead.
completely agreed. Tatum is what hurt the first movie for me. Wayans was fine.
And this past year I just watched HBO's series OZ - and then the other day I watched ROC and I realized the guy that played Adebisi on OZ! Knowing that made me appreciate the character a tiny bit more.
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Movie good, yes?
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I liked it a lot. Captured the essence of the source material very well. A little cheese but not the 10,00Lbs the first film had. Definitely apparent that the creative team had a lot of reverence for the ARAH era. Still would it kill them to say "Yo Joe!" instead of "HooRah!"? There was also a PERFECT opportunity to slip in an "a real American hero" reference at the end that they missed out on.
For anyone curious, there was no after-credits coda.
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I thought it was bad.
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I was able to squeeze a viewing into my schedule yesterday. It was a great bad movie, like The Expendables or something similar. It didn't seem to take itself seriously (unlike the predecessor or the Transformers movies) and at times I felt like it was an incredibly well-done action movie spoof. It was exactly what I expected for a movie based on toys, and I had a great time watching it.
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I was hoping to get out to it this weekend, but may have to wait. Most of the reviews I've seen of it have been fairly positive, and mostly along the lines of "big stupid fun". Overall it seems that most people feel it is much better than the first movie, and maybe embraces the 80s toys/comic/toon more than they originally tried to. If all that is true, it sounds good to me. I don't expect Joe to necessarily be in a tone of The Dark Knight, and I'm fine with big stupid fun. Sounds like it could have a decent weekend, so maybe we'll see another.
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I was able to see it on Saturday with my son and wife. Overall, we all liked it. Kind of liked the first one too (at least up until the last 20 minutes of it with the underwater battle).
The Good
- Storm Shadow's appearance was great, a nice twist there... I was actually surprised at how they did that, and liked it.
- I love how Cobra Commander dissed Destro and left him - which I think opens up possibility for Destro to return in the next one.
- Firefly rocked. Awesome job there. Love how he was able to handle Roadblock in their first fight.
- The president's role was great, love 90% of his scenes, just didn't like how he fired off the nukes like that, would have been better if all the leaders had guns to their heads by his troops - would have been more tense.
- Secret Service agents with Cobra lapel pins... fantastic.
- Most Joes killed off, like how a few have to rebuild the team.
- Almost all the action scenes were good, and not overdone. Very little stupid technology. Seemed more real.
- Lady Jaye is hot.
The Bad
- Blind Master... really bad storytelling in all of that. Really missed an opportunity here. Horrible acting and bad directing.
- Firefly dies. Too bad - he was a badass.
- Needed better closure with the ending. Show Cobra Commander landing on an island or something. Anything. Show he's not all by himself in a chopper.
- I started to actually like Duke in this one. Hated to see him die.
- Flint was a weak character. Needs to be more assertive and cool like the cartoon. Not too exciting.
For what it was, this was pretty good. I'd like to see the USS Flagg in the next one and an assault on Cobra Island, with Cobra Commander and Destro having a rogue army with a more traditional kind of Cobra Trooper. We need ASPs, HISS Tanks and Cobra Maggots all over the place.
Introduce guys like Rock-N-Roll, Stalker, Gung-Ho, etc. Bring back Breaker. Have Zartan as a survivor and introduce the Dreadnocks. And we need Major Bludd. Tele-Vipers too.
Oh, and with Duke dead, bring Baroness back. She now has nothing to live for and can go back to being a hot chick with black hair and glasses and hates the world.
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I thought it captured some things better but flowed worse than Rise of Cobra. Awkward opening narration "After the nanite wars..."
The CGI seemed better than Rise of Cobra.
In the tanks the masks were see-through, so why is Cobra Commander's mask suddenly chromed?
Why is the warden of a prison in East Germany, run by ???(CIA?) a smarmy guy that looks like he should be hitting on women in a club somewhere?
I thought they'd tease SNake-Eyes' scarred face at some point, because Storm Shadow and Firefly kept ripping of their masks like they were in a Tobey McGuirre Spider-Man movie.
I expected Mouse to show up alive at some point.
Overall, not a good movie, but not entirely bad. I'd still be dumb enough to see the third one.
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Admittedly I'm pretty easy to please when it comes to GI Joe, but I loved it. I've seen it three times.
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I honestly liked the first one better. The direction in this one was was horrible as was the editing. The plot was a mess. The action sequences were all too close up so you really couldn't see what was going on. Character development was terrible. Firefly seemed a little light in his loafers (perhaps this was Stevenson's porr attempt at a Southern accent). Zartan never got to be Zartan - and then he died. Oh yeah Zartan died (reemphasizing cuz that sucks real bad), and Zandar, and Firefly....
insert other things...
there was just a lot going on that I didn't like.