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Title: The death or disappearance of Ahsoka?
Post by: Greedo The Green Menace on August 6, 2010, 09:22 PM
So since she's never seen or mentioned, and the trailer for season 3 heavily implies that something is going to happen to her, what do you all think will be the case? Who do you suppose will do her in? Or maybe she survives and goes on to knighthood and is just away fighting in another galaxy when the events of ROTS happen and may become a victim of order 66? Thoughts/theories?
Title: Re: The death or disappearance of Ahsoka?
Post by: Jesse James on August 7, 2010, 02:38 AM
I lean away from them doing her in on the show...  Lucas is kind of wishy washy that way sometimes, especially with a project he sort of puts his input on some. 

I think the hints for Season 3 have been vague, at best.  Really the only thing they've hinted at is her seeing bad stuff in the future, but is it against her or is it all the bad stuff we already know is going to happen without her?

I could see the series ending with her knighthood and reassignment to another front.
Title: Re: The death or disappearance of Ahsoka?
Post by: Jabba the Slug on August 11, 2010, 12:28 AM
I'm also pushing for her knighthood by the end of the series, and possible unseen extermination in Order 66. I also I wouldn't be surprised if we see some novel or comic book miniseries as to her survival of Order 66. It depends on how LucasFilm is feeling. In the "Star Wars" universe, there's a tendency for some characters to just completely disappear, leaving their fates unknown (i.e. Asajj Ventress, Master Tholme, Quinlan Vos, Shaak Ti for awhile before she was finally included in TFU).
Title: Re: The death or disappearance of Ahsoka?
Post by: JACKOFTRADZE on August 17, 2010, 01:23 AM
I found a link to season three episode titles, there are a lot of spoilers in the titles. I posted in the main thread I think the last episode title eludes to the answer. Read at your own risk, this will be very common knowledge soon but I want to warn you guys.
Title: Re: The death or disappearance of Ahsoka?
Post by: McMetal on September 17, 2010, 09:58 AM
I'm also pushing for her knighthood by the end of the series, and possible unseen extermination in Order 66. I also I wouldn't be surprised if we see some novel or comic book miniseries as to her survival of Order 66. It depends on how LucasFilm is feeling. In the "Star Wars" universe, there's a tendency for some characters to just completely disappear, leaving their fates unknown (i.e. Asajj Ventress, Master Tholme, Quinlan Vos, Shaak Ti for awhile before she was finally included in TFU).

As far as I'm concerned, Anakin killed Asajj when he threw her off that cliff in the Tartakovsky series.

And General Grievous killed Shaak Ti in the opening scenes of ROTS.

At this point, you just have to find a continuity that works for you, since there is no quality control on the part of the franchise.
Title: Re: The death or disappearance of Ahsoka?
Post by: Jabba the Slug on September 18, 2010, 01:46 AM
At this point, you just have to find a continuity that works for you, since there is no quality control on the part of the franchise.

I have to agree with your comment here on quality control - after watching the first 2 episodes of the Season 3 a few hours ago, it seems that canon continuity (as far as this series is concerned) is really spinning out of control. I know that the crew behind the series claims they're going to establish "the" definite timeline once the series is finished 100%, but judging by what we've seen so far that's going to be extremely difficult.

Once you've mades hundreds of novels, cartoons, and comic books all on the same topic, you know things are going to get messy.
Title: Re: The death or disappearance of Ahsoka?
Post by: darth broem 2 on September 23, 2010, 05:59 PM
At some point I would like to see Anakin start to "turn" a bit away from the Jedi.  I kind of wonder if they will have something with Ahsoka that he blames the Jedi for somehow.  Maybe they "prevent" him from helping her somehow?  I don't know.  Just tossing it out there.  I hope she figures into the overall saga some way but of course not the main reason that he turns.  I want to see some more reasons that Anakin turns from the Jedi other than him wanting to save his wife from death.  Not that it isn't a good reason but to kill lots of innocent Jedi and such maybe we'll get a bit more oomph to it from this series???
Title: Re: The death or disappearance of Ahsoka?
Post by: Pete_Fett on September 23, 2010, 09:04 PM
At some point I would like to see Anakin start to "turn" a bit away from the Jedi.  I kind of wonder if they will have something with Ahsoka that he blames the Jedi for somehow.  Maybe they "prevent" him from helping her somehow?  I don't know.  Just tossing it out there.  I hope she figures into the overall saga some way but of course not the main reason that he turns.  I want to see some more reasons that Anakin turns from the Jedi other than him wanting to save his wife from death.  Not that it isn't a good reason but to kill lots of innocent Jedi and such maybe we'll get a bit more oomph to it from this series???

I like that line of thought, but you can't have Ahsoka be one of the reasons and not have it remain un-mentioned in ROTS. Afterall, sure he may be getting dangerously close to the dark side by the start of the movie, but that rescue of Palpatine sequence and their arrival on Coruscant is pretty much in keeping with how Anakin and Obi-Wan interact with each other in the cartoon.

If something happened to Ahsoka that upset Anakin, he'd be harping on it to Obi-Wan in the movie.

He really doesn't get upset with the Jedi until he's put on the council and they don't make him a master. If they had just given him the rank of Jedi Master and he had been allowed access to all of the holocrons that only masters have access to, he would have killed Sidious himself.
Title: Re: The death or disappearance of Ahsoka?
Post by: Jesse James on September 23, 2010, 09:09 PM
I don't know, i can see it being something he has in his mind somehow...  I've always had it assumed that, in some respect, Anakin is barred from going to/after his mother and that's why he does it once he's with Padme and away from the Jedi Order...  It's not really mentioned in ROTS (Sidious mentions it briefly, but he doesn't bring it up to Jedi), but I somehow always felt that he was held back from that and resented them slightly for it even if it wasn't directly addressed that way.

I could see something happening to Ahsoka that he views as "their fault", and harbors that resentment towards the Jedi...  It doesn't necessarilly need a mention for it to be an effective addition to ROTS.  It could build on why he defends Palpatine against Mace or something.  I could see it anyway.

Part of me would hate to see Ahsoka go out that way though.  She's cute, got a bubbly personality compared to other Jedi...  You sorta hate to see her get offed.  It could add a lot to Anakin's character though I think.
Title: Re: The death or disappearance of Ahsoka?
Post by: Greedo The Green Menace on October 14, 2010, 05:38 AM
I'd like to see her go down in a rather poetic and tragic way. For example, she follows up a lead on her own late at night, and finds Dooku and Palpatine meeting down in the Courascant Underworld or something. She's shocked to discover that Palpatine is the sith lord they'd been looking for and hastily retreats to inform Anakin and the council. As she's making her way through the underbelly of the city, she realizes she's being stalked by the two Sith lords, they sensed her presence and are going to make sure she doesn't ruin their plans. After a lengthy chase, she makes it to the temple entrance way, thinking she lost them. As she runs toward the temple, Anakin senses she's in danger and quickly heads off to find her. 
  Just as Ashoka is nearing the temple entrance, Sidious drops in front of her from the shadows and runs her through. He quickly discards his Sith gear and bends over the mortally wounded Ashoka putting on his best concerned face, just as Anakin and a few other Jedi exit the temple. Anakin quickly rushes up and asks the Chancellor what he's doing here and what happened. Palpatine explains that he was on his way to discuss some war stuff with the council when he saw a Sith assassin drop from the shadows and stab Ashoka. Anakin cradles Ashoka in his arms as she desperately tries to get the words that Palpatine was the Sith out, but she's too weak to form the words. The whole while she stares frightfully at Palpatine who is standing behind Anakin, with a comforting hand on his shoulder. He smiles sinisterly at her and she dies. Anakin rages out and wrecks whatever is nearby. Windu is present for this display of passion and anger and it disturbs him greatly, prompting his distrust of Anakin in episode 3. Anakin once again blames himself for a loved ones death, due to his not sensing the danger soon enough or being fast enough to reach her in time, thus bringing him one step closer to wanting the power to save people from death. I imagine this scenario might traumatize the kiddies though. What's everyone think?
Title: Re: The death or disappearance of Ahsoka?
Post by: JACKOFTRADZE on October 14, 2010, 12:02 PM
That was great! I think that would be a great idea for Palps to off her to draw Anakin into the dark side.
I wish the episodes as of late had some of that kind of drama in them. But hey, they know tainted soft drinks is so much more compelling to the audience.
Title: Re: The death or disappearance of Ahsoka?
Post by: Jabba the Slug on October 15, 2010, 01:15 AM
I like the idea of Ahoska trying to tell Anakin that Palps is the Sith Lord while Palps is just innocently standing there, with his hand on Anakin's shoulder. It even symbolizes how manipulative Palps is of Anakin and the Jedi.

I agree that the show needs some sort of drama to it. We all love good action, but coupled with dramatic scenes (like the death of Ima-Gun Di, the Nikto Jedi), it adds a much-needed darker tone to the show.
Title: Re: The death or disappearance of Ahsoka?
Post by: Jabba the Slug on October 30, 2010, 01:32 PM
So after the "Assassin" episode (with the "She will die... and there's nothing you can do" line that we all thought meant Ahsoka), it doesn't look like Ahsoka will die anytime soon. By Aurra Sing's lines in the Season 3 trailers, we were all led to believe that something big would happen to Ahsoka, but it turns out they were in reference to Padme.
Title: Re: The death or disappearance of Ahsoka?
Post by: 501ST on October 30, 2010, 07:38 PM
I'd like to see her go down in a rather poetic and tragic way. For example, she follows up a lead on her own late at night, and finds Dooku and Palpatine meeting down in the Courascant Underworld or something. She's shocked to discover that Palpatine is the sith lord they'd been looking for and hastily retreats to inform Anakin and the council. As she's making her way through the underbelly of the city, she realizes she's being stalked by the two Sith lords, they sensed her presence and are going to make sure she doesn't ruin their plans. After a lengthy chase, she makes it to the temple entrance way, thinking she lost them. As she runs toward the temple, Anakin senses she's in danger and quickly heads off to find her. 
  Just as Ashoka is nearing the temple entrance, Sidious drops in front of her from the shadows and runs her through. He quickly discards his Sith gear and bends over the mortally wounded Ashoka putting on his best concerned face, just as Anakin and a few other Jedi exit the temple. Anakin quickly rushes up and asks the Chancellor what he's doing here and what happened. Palpatine explains that he was on his way to discuss some war stuff with the council when he saw a Sith assassin drop from the shadows and stab Ashoka. Anakin cradles Ashoka in his arms as she desperately tries to get the words that Palpatine was the Sith out, but she's too weak to form the words. The whole while she stares frightfully at Palpatine who is standing behind Anakin, with a comforting hand on his shoulder. He smiles sinisterly at her and she dies. Anakin rages out and wrecks whatever is nearby. Windu is present for this display of passion and anger and it disturbs him greatly, prompting his distrust of Anakin in episode 3. Anakin once again blames himself for a loved ones death, due to his not sensing the danger soon enough or being fast enough to reach her in time, thus bringing him one step closer to wanting the power to save people from death. I imagine this scenario might traumatize the kiddies though. What's everyone think?

Dave Filoni called and wanted to know when you can come in to discuss your future with LFL.
Title: Re: The death or disappearance of Ahsoka?
Post by: EpicGon on November 12, 2010, 05:06 PM
In narrative there is  away to simplify the story, when it reaches the end, by eliminating secondary characters.
This is useful for detective tales, mistery, horror.

But we can hardly consider Ahsoka a secondary character. Her death wouldnīt disturb kids as the death of the toyadrian king (sorry, I donīt remember the name of this guy from the race of Watto)

Moreover, Ahsoka timeline hasnīt reached its top. She colud survive and perhaps encounter Shaak Ti on Felucia OF TFU, maybe know about Kota, or be trained by her.

If Lucasfilm killed this lady inside the animated style; they will miss the chance to expand her adventures in a realistic style (like video games as TFU2)
Title: Re: The death or disappearance of Ahsoka?
Post by: McMetal on November 15, 2010, 09:56 AM
Forget Ahsoka, I just want to see these two get killed, since they do not "exist" as of ROTS:

1) Asajj Ventress

2) Cad Bane
Title: Re: The death or disappearance of Ahsoka?
Post by: Jabba the Slug on November 15, 2010, 07:14 PM
I wonder what will happen to Cad Bane, I'd be surprised pleasantly to see him killed off by Anakin or even a standoff with Ahsoka that results in both their deaths.

I'm interested in Asajj's fate the most. I doubt the crew will pay any attention to her EU survival of the Clone Wars and disappearance. Dave Filoni also said her life after Season 3 would be drastically different, and I can't imagine it's for the best - Sidious orders Dooku to kill her, which is why Dooku takes in Savage Opress.
Title: Re: The death or disappearance of Ahsoka?
Post by: speedermike on December 8, 2010, 12:02 PM
Forget Ahsoka, I just want to see these two get killed, since they do not "exist" as of ROTS:

1) Asajj Ventress

2) Cad Bane


Huh?  Why don't they exist in ROTS?  Because they weren't mentioned?  That's a really literal way to look at fiction. Endor wasn't mentioned, but it exists...Hoth wasn't mentioned, but it exists...Sandcrawlers weren't mentioned, but they exist...Han Solo wasn't mentioned, but he exists...We didn't see Dodonna in ESB, but he existed...we didn't see the Kubaz spy in ROTJ, but he existed...and so on...

If you saw a movie about the U.S. Civil War, and they never mentioned Japan once, would you assume that Japan doesn't exist?

Anyway, about Ashoka...I don't think they will kill her.  She's become too popular and a symbol of girl power in the geek community.
I think she will be sent away, or run away at one point.  In fact, I think that Ashoka could return as a focus of more SW entertainment.

Who knows?  Maybe she's on that Outward Bound ship in the Thrawn Series...


Title: Re: The death or disappearance of Ahsoka?
Post by: McMetal on December 9, 2010, 10:03 AM

Huh?  Why don't they exist in ROTS?  Because they weren't mentioned?  That's a really literal way to look at fiction.


1) Dooku has no apprentice in ROTS - not Asajj, not Savage Oppress, etc. You don't just quietly retire from the Sith. She is absolutely dead IMO, because Palpatine would never be stupid enough to have another Sith adept wandering around out there plotting her own agenda. (The whole running away and hiding thing is weak IMO because Palps would still use his Sithy powers to hunt her down and kill her)

2) Cad Bane is seemingly involved in every Separatist plot and personally works for Dooku/Palps on a number of occasions. It's not like they ran out of money or anything, he's a major player and his complete absence by ROTS indicates to me that he is no longer a factor of any kind at all. Again, not the type to just walk away.

If you saw the first half of TPM and then went straight to AOTC, you'd be wondering what happened to Darth Maul too. You'd have to assume he was dead, IMHO. Otherwise he'd be on screen. Same deal.

Just a constructionist viewpoint...a logical short-cut, as it were. Obviously the real answer is that none of these characters had even been dreamed up yet when the PT was filmed...
Title: Re: The death or disappearance of Ahsoka?
Post by: shmashwitdaclub on December 9, 2010, 10:43 AM
In fact, I think that Ashoka could return as a focus of more SW entertainment.

I agree here.  While it is highly plausible to to say they all die since the are not in future movies, I cant say I expect that to happen to all of the major players in TCW.  Don't quote me on this, but didn't Lucas basically do the same with Quinlan Vos (or was it some other Jedi)?  Lucas picked whichever this jedi was to live, or not die, or not be mentioned or wheatever it was so he could continue on.  I am not being very specific, but I tink I know what I am talking about...   :P

So, my point is, who knows.  Maybe Rex and Ahsoka run away and make a love child "A long time ago in a galaxy even further and further away" and this is the plot of our next SW trilogy.   ;D
Title: Re: The death or disappearance of Ahsoka?
Post by: Jesse James on December 14, 2010, 01:55 AM
I disagree on the characters not being around, though I do think Ventress will get offed at some point...  At least that's what I'd do with her as a character. 

Bane though, I disagree completely.  He's a Bounty Hunter.  Money talks, and when it shuts up, then Bane walks away.  I don't think he's considered a Separatist leader or anything, he's more a tool to just get the job done now and then.  He could be dead, but I think it's just as likely that he's alive.

It's the ROTS crawl I believe, but doesn't it say there are heroes on both sides?  Some probably die in the waning days of the war, others would go on the run as war criminals or to be held responsible as leaders of the losing side at the very least.  Some may wind up just falling into obscurity.  I think that line could be interpreted as applicable to characters like Bane or Ventress.  Bane seems least likely to be dead to me, and Ventress I could easily see her being eliminated for knowing more than they care to have floating around in someone as unstable as she is.
Title: Re: The death or disappearance of Ahsoka?
Post by: Jabba the Slug on December 14, 2010, 11:01 PM
I think that line could be interpreted as applicable to characters like Bane or Ventress.  Bane seems least likely to be dead to me, and Ventress I could easily see her being eliminated for knowing more than they care to have floating around in someone as unstable as she is.

I really can't see what more Filoni can plan to do with Ventress (I'm a huge fan of her character, though), especially after the Savage Opress-arc of episodes - Sidious even orders Dooku to kill her.

Bane I don't necessarily think they have to kill off, because he can just walk away from the Clone Wars at any point (or even get thrown into prison for the remainder of the war), but Ventress is more complicated because she's actually tied into the Separatist cause, working personally for Dooku.

Ahsoka is probably the hardest to retcon into the films. Although I like the way she's progressed throughout the show, I honestly hope she's just offed during Order 66, for continuity's sake.
Title: Re: The death or disappearance of Ahsoka?
Post by: Lestat on February 5, 2011, 02:29 PM
I assumed when ahsoka was introduced that she was going to die and that would push Anakin towards the dark side. However, as the series goes on it doesn't really seem necessary. It would make more sense (as far a ROTS) that she either achieve the rank of knight with Anakin as her master or that she be removed from Anakin and trained by someone else. Either scenario gives more sting to the council not making him a master and doesn't contradict ROTS. Then the assumption would be that she was just killed by order 66.



I bet you the eventual "ROTS special edition" has a digital Ahsoka running around in the background on Coruscant. ::)
Title: Re: The death or disappearance of Ahsoka?
Post by: Phantom-like Menace on February 8, 2011, 11:11 AM
Yeah, Asajj has an easy out now. Dooku is done with her. She'd be smart not to make herself seen in Episode III. Hell, maybe she or someone else gives Bane a better offer to be a problem for the Separatists and he too decides discretion from the other side of the galaxy is the better part of valor. We're talking about people who will kill you when they're not happy with you, so it's not hard to see someone getting very far from them.

I bet you the eventual "ROTS special edition" has a digital Ahsoka running around in the background on Coruscant. ::)

I could easily see Lucas add her into the movie. It wouldn't take much. But I'd really rather see Vader hunt her down during the time between Episode III and IV. Maybe it could even be something they'd do if the live action television show makes it off the ground before a very senior citizen Daniel Logan fifty years from now needs to be de-aged by CGI to reprise Boba Fett.
Title: Re: The death or disappearance of Ahsoka?
Post by: McMetal on February 8, 2011, 12:21 PM
I think they just missed THE PERFECT solution for writing her out of the story for good while not traumatizing the kids.

It's so simple, it's pure genius:

She should have elected to stay on Mortis to take the place of the Daughter.

I literally got up and shouted it while watching last week's episode, it became so apparent. She serves a greater purpose, they don't have to kill her off, and they have a perfectly satisfactory explanation for why she is not only unseen but never even mentioned in ROTS.

Of course, they would never go for this because it would mean taking her off the show for the rest of the run, which I could easily stand, but they do have the perfect out here.
Title: Re: The death or disappearance of Ahsoka?
Post by: Jabba the Slug on February 8, 2011, 07:42 PM
I think they just missed THE PERFECT solution for writing her out of the story for good while not traumatizing the kids.

It's so simple, it's pure genius:

She should have elected to stay on Mortis to take the place of the Daughter.

Hey, that IS a good solution! But what I'm actually hoping for is that she gets killed... I don't mean to sound so brutal, but it would be a perfect pathway for helping Anakin to turn into Darth Vader... like someone said earlier that made sense, he's all fine and dandy in ROTS, and then all of a sudden in the next scene you have him slaughtering little kids like nothing. I think there's a lot of stuff that should be written into the show that should devastate Anakin so that he has more of a transition into Vader.
Title: Re: The death or disappearance of Ahsoka?
Post by: tmanthegreat on February 19, 2011, 12:32 PM
In retrospect, Asoka, should have died in last night's episode of "The Citadel" in the Carbon Freezing process (which was a scene I though was unnecessary and cheesy).  Afterall, we know from ESB that carbon freezing was supposed to be dangerous - Lando notes that if you put someone in the carbon freezing chamber it could kill them - yet in the episode, the Jedi and Clones seem to go about the process with pretty much a routine or devil-may-care attitude.  So, they all jump in the freezing chamber, including Asoka (unknown to Anakin), something goes wrong and she doesn't survive.  They arrive at the Citadel, get thawed out, and there's the dead Asoka.  Anakin blames himself, Obi Wan lectures him about how he instilled his rebelliousness into his padawan and look what it got him, their mission nearly gets compromised, Anakin gets pushed closer to the Dark Side... and well we know the rest.

Sorry, just having too much fun ;)
Title: Re: The death or disappearance of Ahsoka?
Post by: Jabba the Slug on February 19, 2011, 02:48 PM
I'm with you there, I think they really underplayed the danger that goes into Carbon Freezing.
Title: Re: The death or disappearance of Ahsoka?
Post by: Phrubruh on March 4, 2011, 05:31 PM
I see the carbon freezing as an "approved version" for freezing people and one that isn't "approved" for freezing people on Bespin. The carbon freezing seemed like a pretty routine way of moving prisoners around and Bespin's carbon freeze wasn't designed for freezing living people like this prisoner version was.
Title: Re: The death or disappearance of Ahsoka?
Post by: Scott on March 4, 2011, 05:40 PM
Who says Lando knows anything about Carbon Freezing to begin with?  He is the city administrator...why should he know if you can or cannot freeze people.  He just knows what they use their carbon freezing chamber for.  Obviously Vader knows because he's done it to himself and so does C-3PO as he explains in the scene dialogue
Title: Re: The death or disappearance of Ahsoka?
Post by: TheSon on May 1, 2011, 10:24 AM
How about a best way to write her out of the show contest. Personally I would like to see her die, not because I do not like the character, but because of how it develops Anakin. I think Anakin offers for her to stay with him during a battle, and she insists she can take care of herself. Then in a heroic effort to save hundreds or thousands of lives she sacrifices herself for the good. Anakin leaves the battle knowing that if he insisted that she stay beside him that she would have been alive. That then sends him into a ball of rage that terrifies the other Jedi, then he torment gets buried inside him, and it would be understandable why no one would want to bring it up in front of him. It makes for a great final season episode.
Title: Re: The death or disappearance of Ahsoka?
Post by: Adrian on May 4, 2011, 01:04 PM
i'd like to think that she was busy with the Jedi trials during ep III and that she graduates just in time to be killed by Vader at the Jedi Temple. It shows his complete 180 into the force and wraps it all up. it would make a great final episode. Just my 2 cents
Title: Re: The death or disappearance of Ahsoka?
Post by: Jabba the Slug on May 4, 2011, 06:22 PM
i'd like to think that she was busy with the Jedi trials during ep III and that she graduates just in time to be killed by Vader at the Jedi Temple.

That definitely is a possibility, maybe she's completing the Jedi trials during Ep.III... definitely neatly cleans up as to why she wasn't in the film.
Title: Re: The death or disappearance of Ahsoka?
Post by: Phrubruh on June 12, 2011, 11:33 AM
How about she just finished her Jedi trails and then went to Mexico for spring break where got filmed on "Jedis Gone Wild".