Hi All,  another small update to the Chronicles. Just some random stuff, including my mock diorama of the Emperor's Arrival. Enjoy!

I agree, this picture tells the story of the Battle of Geonosis nicely. I mean we do get a shot of a lot of Jedi down from overhead, but you kind of get the feeling they;re more unconscious than dead. This pic hits it home, that even the Jedi are vulnerable.

On a bit of a humorous side, I'm having a hard time figuring out what the fallen Jedi is. The face resembles that of a little boy, but the body is looks more womanish. Who is this fallen Jedi?

[Sidenote:  Where the hell is good metal?  And by good, I don't necessarily mean fast stuff like Slayer or whatever.  I don't like poppy metal either, and I hate the rap/rock hybrid nu-metal garbage (which doesn't include Rage Against the Machine, but does include pretty much everything else out there, like **** messiahs Linkin Park).  I guess what I'm saying is this:  Tool is my favorite band in the whole world.  They do stuff that blows me away thematically and sonically.  Where can a Tool fan, who loves Tool but doesn't like A Perfect Circle or Cradle of Filth or any of their clones, find something to hit the spot in between Tool efforts?  And I don't mean hard rock like Local H or At the Drive-In, both of whom I like a lot for what they are...but I want something metallic and blistering loud and rock and scary.

I'm not sure how to answer this, are you looking for something on the level of like Iced Earth or Pantera in that it's not overly fast but still is strong? That's honestly too hard to find nowadays, metal itself nowadays has lent itself towards the speed with Slayer, BLS, Megadeth, et al. And that is all still some great stuff.

By poppy metal I guess you mean glam metal like Poison and **** eh? That can stay away for sure. So can rap/rock and yes RATM IS rap/rock, they are of the same crap that spawned korn, limp bizkit, system of a down, and linkin park. If you're going to combine rap and rock, combine it in the ways o Anthrax/Public Enemy or Biohazard/Onyx. And I'm still not sure what nu-metal is exactly, I thought bands like Linkin Park and SOAD would fit that mold, but I get differing answers for it. Some people say a band like Sevendust is nu-metal, but they play a great combination of stuff, some of it quite heavy, some of it laidback, but all of it with actual talent. I'm not sure if I can say Tool or APC is metal, don't get me wrong I definitely like em, they just seem a bit different than metal, perhaps industrial is the right term.

And Local H is the **** yo! 

Despite the myriad number of music threads already (please mods don't ban music talk!  ) I had something on my mind sparked from a conversation I had earlier today with a friend.

Who do you think are the Top 10 Rock Bands of ALL Time? A basis on who would make the cut would be their success at their time, their influence on the genre, their continued success today (especially if they are no longer active), and of course their musical abilities. Here's the Top 10 list my friend and I came up with, including some reasoning behind it. It's not in a particular order, it may be too difficult to rank one band over another....

1.) The Beatles - they are responsible for the modern rock band concept and of course helped lead the way for the British invasion. The music they played had not been heard on such a wide scale when they appeared on the Ed Sullivan show and it forever changed the way people thought about rock and roll.

2.) The Rolling Stones - The Stones took what the Beatles started and gave it more of an edge sending Rock a bit farther away from it's Blues and Motown roots. Wildly successful for 40+ years, the fact that they can still play is a wonder all onto itself.

3.) Led Zeppelin - Not only did they take what the Stones and Beatles did and gave it even more of edgier and unique sound, they revolutionized the idea of "conceptual rock" that would later lead to bands like Pink Floyd and Dream Theater. Considered by many to be the pinnacle of rock bands, their music is as fresh today as it was 30 years ago.

4.) Jimi Hendrix - The man did things with guitars no one else could ever dream of at the time. It's his take on the axe that has given rock it's true voice and was no doubt an inspiration to everyone on this list.

5.) Pink Floyd - While Zeppelin revolutionized the idea of "conceptual rock", Floyd took it to a whole other level. Their music allowed people to think outside the box when it came to rock and has led to some amazing work throughout the years.

6.) Black Sabbath/Ozzy Osbourne - Sort of a combo here as Ozzy was wildly successful after he left Sabbath, but the band wasn't so much. Sabbath is the pioneer of heavy metal, they took the style of the Stones, mixed in a little bit of the blues and gave a darker feeling that had never been heard before. Without them, modern rock today could very well be the equivalent of bands like Oasis or REM.

7.) AC/DC - Coming in a little bit on the lighter side of Sabbath, AC/DC is a fast paced explosion of rock that can electrify anyone. Their song library is considered to be the epitome of arena rock and despite the saddened change of lead singers they have never lost a step.

8.) Metallica - Disregarding the last 7 or so years (every band has to have a hiccup), Metallica has been the influential driving force for today's hard rock/metal. Influenced by such bands as Motorhead, the Misfits, and Diamond Head, Metallica took their spirit and brought out the fast-paced speed metal mixed in with melodic overtones.

9.) Pearl Jam - Though many credit Sonic Youth and Nirvana for starting the grunge/alternative phenomenon of the 90's, it was really PJ that brought it into a national scale. Their angst-ridden songs became the anthems for Generation X'ers such as myself worldwide and have influenced the not so heavier but certainly not soft side of rock for the last decade.

10.) Grateful Dead - This was solely my buddy's entry into the list as I would have put The Who in, but the Dead's amazing ability to draw in people seems almost unmatched. Even after Jerry Garcia's death people still clamor for the Dead and that certainly has to count for something, doesn't it?

So what are you're thoughts and what's your top 10?

Yeah definitely sounds like a neat idea, so long as the execution works out. No write in votes though for monkey face Leia though

Quote from: Sprry75 on November 11, 2004, 02:02 PM

Linkin Park soooooooooooo eats my balls.

You sir, do not rock.


To each his own.

Kevin

Why because he has taste?

Seriously how does in any way shape or form Linkin Park rock? They're music is whiny pseudo-rap and is on the same level of crapitude as such bands as Papa Roach and Limp Bizkit. Gawd those bands so suck!

Oh and if we're going to be going with honorable mentions then I'd like to add...

Metallica's And Justice For All
AC/DC's Back in Black
Pink Floyd's Dark Side of the Moon
Black Sabbath's Black Sabbath

just for starters

While I personally agree that CorranHorn has made a good decision for a great album, (as are all the previous albums stated above my response thus far) a couple of corrections need to be stated about some information in regards to Led Zeppelin's fourth album effort.  First, Led Zeppelin's untitled fourth album never did reach the number one spot on the charts in the United States and only went as high as number two.  The album was unable to knock off Carole King's "Tapestry" release from the top spot in the United States.  The album did reach number in other parts of the world including the U. K. though. 8>)

Led Zeppelin were ruling the music business long before this album, with their January 1969 self titled debut album reaching the top ten closely followed the same year by the October 1969 release of Led Zeppelin II.  Led Zeppelin's second effort even dislodged the Beatles' "Abbey Road" album from the top spot on the charts.

Not every song on this album was released in the United States as a single as only two singles were released from the album in the United States.  Those two songs being Black Dog backed with Misty Mountain Hop as a B side and Rock and Roll backed with Four Sticks as a B side.  Stairway To Heaven has never been released as a single in the United States.  It has however appeared on an Atlantic promo in 1972 as well as in Australia as part of an EP album.  In addition not one song from this album ever hit number one in the United States.  In addition, while the fourth album was at one time the biggest selling album in the United States, it has been surpassed by several albums in overall units sold according to the RIAA.  One thing to remember though is the RIAA only conducts audits of a catalogue when hired to do so, so the numbers on their website are from the most recent audit done on that artist's catalogue, which in most cases is outdated statistically.

It's a great album to listen to regardless.  For recommended reading in regards to the mysterious runes (symbols) that each member of the band utilized to represent themselves I highly suggest to check out (fellow Star Wars collector and Led Zeppelin expert) Robert Godwin's book titled "The Making of..(four symbols).  In addition, a highly researched book called "Symbology and Led Zeppelin" is a very detailed read about the meaning's of each symbol.  This book is written by Duncan Watson.  While Duncan's book is not about Led Zeppelin per se it does explore the meaning of each symbol as well as the influence traditional blues had on Led Zeppelin.

Led Zeppelin's another hobby. 

Robert
Behindthetoys.com
Lead Editor
BLACK S. U. N.

Sems,

Thanks for the historical background, I believe though you may have misunderstood a couple of the things I said. More likely due to how I worded it.

What I meant in terms of each song being a single was being released on the radio, not as a single in terms of a record release like on a 45. I also meant that surely these singles would have been a #1 hit, not the album, though I am surprised by it never having reached the #1 slot in the US.

Cheers!

Ok here's my top 10 wish list for ROTJ....

1.) Throne Room Duel Jedi Knight Luke Skywalker (w/ VOTC Han articulation, Endor poncho, helmet, belt, and lightsaber with removable blade so the hilt can be put on the belt)

2.) Endor Han Solo (w/ VOTC Han articulation, Endor trench coat and blaster)

3.) Chief Chirpa/Wicket 2-Pack (Wicket would be an all new and more accurate sculpt)

4.) Hermi Odle

5.) Klaatu (Resculpt of the vintage 83 Klaatu)

6.) Weequay (A complete resculpt and paintjob to match the 2nd Weequay on the Sail Skiff)

7.) Imperial Scout Trooper (w/ VOTC Stormtrooper articulation and scout blaster)

8.) Bib Fortuna (an accurate resculpt)

9.) Emperor's Royal Guard (an accurate resculpt where the robes flow smoothly across the entire body, similiar in execution to the vintage ERG)

10.) Imperial Dignitary (a resculpt of the vintage release, some call him Sate Pestage others call him something else that I can't recall. either way this figure has to be made)