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Multimedia => The Prequel Trilogy => Topic started by: Jim on May 8, 2005, 05:29 PM
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Whats up with his cough? Is this explained anywhere? I see no need for this to be even in the movie unless there is some significance ???
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In the Clone Wars Volume 2, Mace Windu hurts Greivous chest area.
Kevin
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In the Clone Wars Volume 2, Mace Windu hurts Greivous chest area.
Kevin
Ahh, your right. What a dumbass. I totally forgot about that. Thanx.
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I don't care for him at all, I think it was stupid to create this extra character when Dooku could have filled the same role. The coughing thing is annoying as well
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*cough cough*
I think I shall enjoy Teh Greivous! I'll let you *cough cough* know after the *cough* movie.
Kevin
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Is there an audio sample someplace (like a preview, trailer, tv ad) of his cough in the movie?
I don't think I've actually heard his movie voice yet, just the cartoon network version. If there is a grevious audio clip, I think missed that one... :-\
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I have the Ep. III video game (awesome btw) and it's has various actual movie clips that I have never seen before. One of them, shows Grevious entering the bridge on the Invisible Hand, coughing pretty good, just before getting a sit rep by a battle droid.
It is an odd sight seeing GG coughing that's for sure.
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Is there an audio sample someplace (like a preview, trailer, tv ad) of his cough in the movie?
I don't think I've actually heard his movie voice yet, just the cartoon network version. If there is a grevious audio clip, I think missed that one... :-\
Yeah, DSM and Jim probably saw it the same place I did, the EpIII Video Game. It sucks, IMO
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Yeah, I dont care for it. It just does not fit IMO. Plus how many people who see the movie actually saw the CW Cartoon? Alot of people will be scratching there heads saying what the flock.
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I don't care for him at all, I think it was stupid to create this extra character when Dooku could have filled the same role. The coughing thing is annoying as well
He was created to be the walking, talking action figure of the movie. See Darth Maul and Jango Fett.
And I've never heard about his cough before. I guess I'll wait and see the film, but it sounds kinda stupid. Wouldn't he fix/repair himself to where he didn't cough?
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He had no chance. He kidnapped Palpatine, and then Anakin and Obi flew off to battle for the opening crawl of ROTS!
Kevin
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He had no chance. He kidnapped Palpatine, and then Anakin and Obi flew off to battle for the opening crawl of ROTS!
Kevin
But after that, he escapes to Utapau... he could have gotten repaired there, as he most likely has a few days before Kenobi finds him.
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I know nothing of this cough yet (avoiding spoilers for the most part), but it definitely sounds kinda lame.
I don't care for him at all, I think it was stupid to create this extra character when Dooku could have filled the same role. The coughing thing is annoying as well
I've hated the Grievous character since it's inception really, but after seeing some of his footage at C3, I have to admit that he's looking a lot cooler now, and I'm actually a little excited to see him in action.
But one spoiler I recently ran across somewhere said that there were FIVE lightsaber battles in ROTS. I already know of most of them:
Anakin & Obi-Wan vs. Dooku
Mace and Jedi vs. Palpy
Yoda vs. Sidious
Anakin vs. Obi-Wan
and presumably Obi-Wan vs. Grievous (I know they fight, at least)
But what bums me out a bit (especially after watching the CW series) is that Grievous apparently takes no part in the killing of any of the other Jedi in ROTS? I always figured he must play a large roll in the Jedi massacre, but it's looking more like that's just Anakin and the Clones.
Of course, like I said, I've been avoiding most spoilers, so I could be way off here...
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There was (and is) still a clip of Grievous on the OS (that you don't have to pay for, imagine that!) where he's talking to Obi-Wan about something or other. It sounds pretty silly. I have no idea where the link is, but it was posted at around the time of C3.
"YOOOOOOOOOOOU FOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL!"
:D
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According to the newest issue of Entertainment Weekly, Grievous's cough is a precursor to Vader. Half-man, half-machine (even though Grievous certainly doesn't appear to be human), the trouble breathing, the mechanical legs and arms, the sinister mask, it all adds up. Rob Coleman is quoted as saying, "He's like the Alpha version of Vader."
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According to the newest issue of Entertainment Weekly, Grievous's cough is a precursor to Vader. Half-man, half-machine (even though Grievous certainly doesn't appear to be human), the trouble breathing, the mechanical legs and arms, the sinister mask, it all adds up. Rob Coleman is quoted as saying, "He's like the Alpha version of Vader."
Worst Alpha version.... EVER! ;D
Seriously, as Scott mentioned well before the movie came out, Grievous was a waste of time, just an attempt to get a cool looking villian involved. Something that could have been replaced by Dooku for the chase by Obi-Wan and the cool factor by Vader.
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Well to be honest General G is a heckuva a lot cooler to look at on screen than Ct Dooku. Sorry Dooku fans but it's true. The good General turned out to be pretty cool I thought. I just wish we could have seen him take out a pack of Jedi.
The cough thing is just something to foreshadow Vader and his breathing in my opinion. The cough really did not bother me at all. I am sure people that did not see the cartoon were wondering what the deal was with that cough. Now some more people may want to check out that series and see why. Lucas is not to dumb afterall. LOL!
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My friend had no idea why he was coughing at all until his gut sack got exposed...
He was no more than lets put in a Darth Maul/Jango Fett type guy that people will go nuts over
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True Scott, but people like that stuff and Lucas knows it all to well.
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I think Scott is right about Lucas throwing in bonus villians, and if I hadn't seen the Clone Wars cartoon, I probably wouldn't have been all that excited about Grievous. I wish (just like Brian) that we could have seen Grievous take out some Jedi as well, so that we could see how lethal he was. I really liked him in the film, but think he is much more ferocious in the cartoon.
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Grevious was probably Lucas' attempt to create a new Boba Fett. Didn't work IMO. But I did like the cough. It would have worked better if he was a total SOB like he should have been.
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I liked Grievous myself, but for no other reason than he did look neat/sound neat. He has nice backstory to him, but in the end he was pointless to the plot. I wound up liking Durge too as a little side character... To me, the Fett's aren't a lot different (aside from their tie to cloning)... Side villains that are fun to watch die.
Dooku and Maul, not a lot different either aside from them both being Sith. They were still just pawns in the grand scheme.
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I read in the newest "Rolling Stone" that the Grievous cough is actually that of none other than George Lucas himself. Trivial Pursuit, here I come! ;)
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He has nice backstory to him, but in the end he was pointless to the plot.
Gotta disagree with you on this one Jesse.
Grievous was necessary to the plot to get Obi-Wan away from Couruscant so Palpatine could work Anakin over and turn him into Darth Vader. It couldn't have been Dooku because Anakin had to kill Dooku/Tyranus, to parallel the Emperor wanting Luke to kill Vader in ROTJ to replace him.
Sure Grievous came off as some sort of disposable character (which he was really) but he was definitely necessary to the plot. I don't see how ROTS could've ended the way it did without him.
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True, but any # of reasons for Obi-Wan leaving could've been concocted as well, and made sense... He could've gone to Utapau after the Separatist leaders even, no Grievous necessary, had it been known they were there, and they simply escaped to Mustafar... That would tie in with why Palpatine wanted Anakin appointed to that job as well...
I like Grievous myself... I just think he wasn't a necessity, but he worked well for what he was. He was cooler in the cartoons than in the film though, as far as "wow" factor would go.
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I believe there's a cut scene of Grievous executing Shaak Ti on the Invisible Hand. This scene at a minimum should have been left in to at least show Grievous doing something other than lose a fight. He's supposed to be this lethal jedi killer and all we did is see him run away from the first fight, then lose the second. That doesn't look too ferocious from where I'm standing. Hell, Lucas could have put me in, and I could have run like a girl from the first fight and lost a second.
:D
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I've heard the Shaak Ti scene as well... I think it would've made Grievous a more pivotal enemy... A threat at least. The film kinda made him out to be a pansy, and without the toon he really wouldn't be cool to me otherwise.
He did whip up on Obi-Wan for a while though... That's something I guess.
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He was used for eye candy and nothing more really. His screen time was just enough for me. Yes, it would have been good to see him mow a few Jedi down. However, when he whips out the 4 lightsabers and twirls him around it's pretty obvious the dude had wasted some Jedi before him.
I was ok with him. I could figure out he was just there for eye candy and not much more. I was not disappointed with him. When I first heard about him I thought he was going to look really bad as a CGI character. I was pleasantly surprised he came off looking pretty good.
I must be the only one that actually liked his cough. I saw it as a foreshadowing to Vader's breathing.
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I believe there's a cut scene of Grievous executing Shaak Ti on the Invisible Hand. This scene at a minimum should have been left in to at least show Grievous doing something other than lose a fight. He's supposed to be this lethal jedi killer and all we did is see him run away from the first fight, then lose the second. That doesn't look too ferocious from where I'm standing. Hell, Lucas could have put me in, and I could have run like a girl from the first fight and lost a second.
:D
Ha! LOL! Good points. I too enjoyed Grievous a bit more in the cartoons, but he was still a cool character, and, as Darth Broem said, seeing the four lightsabers, and the amount of time that it took Obi-Wan to dispatch Grievous certainly helped to legitimize him in my book.
Which brings up a good point of discussion:
General Grievous-Force wielding Sith guy, or bad a$$ droid who is very fast and lethal, but has no knowledge of the Force?
I'm going with choice # 2.
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I believe there's a cut scene of Grievous executing Shaak Ti on the Invisible Hand. This scene at a minimum should have been left in to at least show Grievous doing something other than lose a fight. He's supposed to be this lethal jedi killer and all we did is see him run away from the first fight, then lose the second. That doesn't look too ferocious from where I'm standing. Hell, Lucas could have put me in, and I could have run like a girl from the first fight and lost a second.
:D
Yeah, that would have made a huge difference.
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actually, the important cut scene with grevious is with him lighting a big stogie...this is the reason for his cough....but they filmed him smoking the whole thing and couldn't afford to waste 40 minutes on a side plot character smoking....it slowed down the pace of the movie.
TND
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actually, the important cut scene with grevious is with him lighting a big stogie...this is the reason for his cough....but they filmed him smoking the whole thing and couldn't afford to waste 40 minutes on a side plot character smoking....it slowed down the pace of the movie.
TND
Wow, now that's some good trivia! ;)
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I was curious to why the cough seemed to be emphasized like that, but I missed the last few episodes of the CW cartoon so that thought never crossed my mind. Just figured it was some trait Lucas wanted to add to the character.
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actually, the important cut scene with grevious is with him lighting a big stogie...this is the reason for his cough....but they filmed him smoking the whole thing and couldn't afford to waste 40 minutes on a side plot character smoking....it slowed down the pace of the movie.
Maybe George was thinking of the all important India market:
http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stories/health/view/150526/1/.html
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I was curious to why the cough seemed to be emphasized like that, but I missed the last few episodes of the CW cartoon so that thought never crossed my mind. Just figured it was some trait Lucas wanted to add to the character.
What scene is everyone talking about? I have seen this episode twice (its been a while though), but don't remember grievous suddenly developing a condition that requires a lozenge. ;D
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Only caught one of those last five episodes, but I'd guess it was the last one. People seem to mention something about Mace hitting Grievous' chest which accounts for the cough, but who knows.
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Yeah, Grievous takes a bump to the torso at one point... a big, metal crushing kinda bump. :) I thought his cough was rather cleverly thrown in there then.
The funny thing is that I had to have a friend point it out to me, who didn't even see the CW toons, but who another friend told HIM that's where the cough came from. It'd been so long since I watched the last season of CW that I'd totally forgotten the damage he took... Either Lucas went out of his way to tie the two, it's a weird coincidence, or the toon creators were instructed to do something like that... Either way, I like it.
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Ok, I remember this scene now. With all that armor, I am surprised this would effect him the way it did, but who knows.
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Yeah, it is surprising I admit. Again I think Lucas mainly did it to foreshadow Vader's heavy breathing. Was it needed? Heck no. But I think that is the reason. I don't know what the big deal is about it. It's a coughing cyborg. No bigee!
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I like the fact that he gets crushed in the Clone Wars, but I also like the fact that he coughs, since its just a little idiosyncrasy that makes him a more interesting and fleshed-out (so to speak) character.
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I do think he is a cool character, to be sure. However, don't the Clone Wars cartoons fall into the "Expanded Universe" category? I believe so, but sometimes people act as if they are cannon.
Regardless, Grievous is the Alpha Vader, as previously stated. I can't wait to see this movie again!
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Lucas supposedly had a little heavier interest in the CW from a personal perspective, and did a little more direction with it than other EU materials... He's known to have liked the cartoons a lot and that's why he "allowed" them to introduce Grievous basically.
It's all EU though... LFL's pretty strict that anything besides the film is EU and the rest is open to debate/discussion. The beauty of that is imagination... I feel other genres or licenses can sorta be too stifling to the minds of their fans. The "this is how it is" mentality prevails. Lucas though disagrees with EU stuff but basically says to just debate away on it as to whether it's the truth or not.
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Lucas supposedly had a little heavier interest in the CW from a personal perspective, and did a little more direction with it than other EU materials... He's known to have liked the cartoons a lot and that's why he "allowed" them to introduce Grievous basically.
It's all EU though... LFL's pretty strict that anything besides the film is EU and the rest is open to debate/discussion. The beauty of that is imagination... I feel other genres or licenses can sorta be too stifling to the minds of their fans. The "this is how it is" mentality prevails. Lucas though disagrees with EU stuff but basically says to just debate away on it as to whether it's the truth or not.
Thanks for the explanation Jesse James! I figured as much, but wanted to make sure. :)