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Multimedia => The Prequel Trilogy => Topic started by: Scott on May 20, 2005, 03:49 PM
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ROTS made $50 million in one day beating the old record set by Shrek 2 for one day totals...
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=starwars3.htm
Titanic is the King of the World right now at $1.845 Billion
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/alltime/world/
Its a long way to go but with positive reviews and word of mouth, I think it has a chance...
I think $200 Million this first weekend is more than doable
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I'm telling everyone I know that the movie is a must-see, if only to kick Titanic's ass. I've seen several people leave the movie and get back in line to see it again. That's awesome.
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I really doubt it can beat Titanic... every teenie bopper girl had to go see it at least twice... but even if it doesn't, Star Wars is still king.
:P
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Every Fanboy around will see sith at least twice I'd say too...I think, like Titanic, the general public will decide what happens but the word of mouth positivity is enough to make me think it could happen
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I HOPE it beats Titanic, but I somehow doubt it will. Remember when everyone said Episode 1 would beat Titanic and it didn't? Episode 1 had at least 5 years of hype PLUS the rerelease of the OT to hype it even more. And it still couldn't beat Titanic.
But that was Episode 1, and more people want to see 3 than they did 1 I assume. We'll wait and see...
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I can not see it beating Titanic. It will depend on where it stands after Memorial Day weekend IMO. It's going to be an impressive box office total before it's all done though.
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I knew a girl who saw Titanic about a dozen times, and god knows she wasn't the only little bopper to do this. With tickets being around $8, that's an easy $100 worth of tickets, not counting popcorn and drinks, or Carebear Gummies...
What I'm trying to say is that I don't think enough Star Wars fans have rich daddy's to be able to beat Titanic...
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I hope it does. We need to show those teenie-boppers something.
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Does that $1.8 billion include worldwide profits in it?
If we're talking worldwide, it might have a chance of coming close. But to sell nearly $2 billion worth of tickets is going to be hard to do.
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$1.8 Billion is worldwide
I've done my part...4 tickets bought :)
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8 tickets purchased myself.
Kevin
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One word: no.
Titanic had a much broader interest than ROTS has worldwide. It was a one of, special movie about a very tragic moment in real history, people wanted to see that.
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One word: no.
Titanic had a much broader interest than ROTS has worldwide. It was a one of, special movie about a very tragic moment in real history, people wanted to see that.
We'll see.
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Already up to $158,500,000 domestically.
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$303,200,000 Worldwide, looks like he broke even in a day or two :P
This is also why I think Episode VII through IX might eventually happen. There is far, far too much money there to just walk away from
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$303,200,000 Worldwide, looks like he broke even in a day or two :P
This is also why I think Episode VII through IX might eventually happen. There is far, far too much money there to just walk away from
Agreed - also - since the movie REALLY DOESN'T explain why Anakin's ghost in the ROTJ DVD is now Hayden instead of Sebastian Shaw, I feel that Lucas doing this opens the door to completely disregard ALL EU material and to make EP7 - EP9. And as a result, a key part to those will be that Anakin & Yoda have been appearing to Luke as guides to help him form the new Jedi Order.
Lucas should be getting visits from shrinks and other types of mental health professionals all basically asking him the same thing....
Shrink: "So let's see Mr. Lucas, you have a franchise that for each movie grosses $400+ million, the movies each cost you not even half that much, not a single one of your other movies, unless it had the name Indiana attached to it EVER made any money, and you're giving up Star Wars movies?"
GL: "Yep"
Shrink: "I'm sorry we're going to have to take you to the ward for observation and medication. Get me a straight jacket in here on the double!"
;D
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"not a single one of your other movies, unless it had the name Indiana attached to it EVER made any money,"
Dude, do some research. American Grafitti made a huge amont of money, and earned Lucas his first millions.
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One hit wonder. :P
Kevin
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This is also why I think Episode VII through IX might eventually happen. There is far, far too much money there to just walk away from
Ugh. There wasn't enough story to fill the three prequel movies he already had backstory for. It makes my stomach queasy to imagine what would come from another series of movies he's gone on record as saying there are zero story ideas for.
I'm hoping, that at 60-odd years old, with money in the bank for the rest of his life, he can walk away and do something new, or relax and sit on a beach with the comfort of knowing the whole SW thing is behind him. God knows why he'd want to subject himself to fanboy criticism for another 9 year cycle.
I think the TV show will give us a whole new pool of actors, writers, and showrunners to target our angst at. ;)
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I wish "Star Wars" would beat "Titanic" -- I'm fascinated with the sinking of the Titanic (inherited that from my mom), but aside from a fairly impressive recreation of the ship, I thought the movie was awful. I find the true stories much more compelling than Cameron's manufactured melodrama. And for that reason, as much as for my love of "Star Wars", I'd love to see "Sith" make it to number 1!
As for new "Star Wars" movies -- we'll see 'em for sure when Lucas' kids take over the Ranch.
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I must be the only male that actually liked that Titanic movie. LOL!
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Lucas loves making money - it's no secret. There are multiple BILLIONS of dollars to be made if another trilogy gets rolling.
The only reason we haven't heard about it yet is because EIII will make MORE money if people think it's the last hurrah.
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waves hand.................................ROTS will beat Titanic at the box.
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One word: no.
Titanic had a much broader interest than ROTS has worldwide. It was a one of, special movie about a very tragic moment in real history, people wanted to see that.
Presicely.
Titanic earned more than $20 million every week for almost two months straight. It was unprecidented. It was also released in the winter and had little competition after christmas. There is no way ROTS will come close. It will be lucky it it beats TPM and we will certainly know for sure in two weekends.
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hey guys, new here...but just wanted to say the same that Lucas has a huge cash cow here. I can't imagine that his artistic integrity will stop him from making the next few. When you invest 115 million and make it back double in 4 days, how can you walk away?
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One word: no.
Titanic had a much broader interest than ROTS has worldwide. It was a one of, special movie about a very tragic moment in real history, people wanted to see that.
Presicely.
Titanic earned more than $20 million every week for almost two months straight. It was unprecidented. It was also released in the winter and had little competition after christmas. There is no way ROTS will come close. It will be lucky it it beats TPM and we will certainly know for sure in two weekends.
Titanic also has a fanbase that ROTS (and all of Star Wars as a matter of fact) lacks so dearly... women.
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Goes both ways though...the Titanic fanbase excludes kids and men for the most part...I think there are enough factors here that it has a good chance to make a run...maybe not worldwide but perhaps the domestic
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I doubt ROTS will get too close to Titanic's whopping $600,788,188. I think it's got an outside chance of reaching the #2 spot, ahead of the original Star Wars' $460,998,007, but I'd still be (pleasantly) surprised if it managed that, to be honest...
I'd love to see it hit the $400 million mark for starters. Then we'll take it from there. It's currently sitting at $182,710,278 through yesterday, which is the biggest first 6 days for a movie in history. Needs $9.375 million today to pass Spiderman 2 for biggest first week ever. Probably gonna fall short though, unfortunately.
This upcoming weekend will likely be a good barometer to forecast it's overall earning potential though. It'll need another HUGE weekend, and some serious staying power to really crack the Top 5. I'm definitely rooting ROTS on though!
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Already at half a billion dollars worldwide in a little over 2 weeks!
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Who cares, though- how much money it makes or how many people watch it, As long as you like it?
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I find it interesting, atleast.
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from yahoo movie news:
Here's a rundown of the top 10 movies for the three- and four-day period, based on estimates compiled by Exhibitor Relations:
1. Star Wars: Episode III--Revenge of the Sith, $55.1 million; $70.7 million
2. Madagascar, $47.1 million; $61 million
3. The Longest Yard, $48.1 million; $60 million
4. Monster-in-Law, $9.2 million; $11 million
5. Kicking & Screaming, $4.8 million; $6.6 million
6. Crash, $4.7 million; $6 million
7. The Interpreter, $2.2 million; $2.6 million
8. Unleashed, $1.8 million; $2.3 million
9. Kingdom of Heaven; $1.7 million, $2.2 million
10. House of Wax, $1.2 million; $1.6 million
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Personally I would like to see this movie get past Ep1's $431 million. Yes, it does not really matter but it's nice to brag it up I guess with other people. Especially those that like to rip on Star Wars in general. It's something to shove back in their faces if need be :)
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$271 million and counting after 12 days in the theaters! :o
Revenge of the Sith has already passed both of the two Harry Potter Sequels and stands at #26 on the US Box Office Rankings after only twelve days!
Only about $19 million to go to catch The Empire Strikes Back (#22), then another $20 million after that to catch Return of the Jedi (#18) and Attack of the Clones (#17)!
$39 million over the rest of the summer should be extremely easy, and at this rate $400 million and the top 5 all-time are still well within reason. :)
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Next weekend will be the big gauge. There's a certain mathimatical formula studios use to predict final box office after the second weekend. ROTS is definately on track to break $400 million.
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I expect it to break $400 million (I too want it to break Episode I), but I highly doubt it will beat Titanic. I hope that it does, but $600 million with all of the summer competition; now that is going to be tough!
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Amazing how people confuse quantity with quality.
Some here say that they want ROTS to do well, so they can brag about it? If anyone can brag about it, it's GL and everyone involved in making the movie.
We, as fans, have NOTHING to brag about, we just see the movie, we have contributed nothing to it.
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I guess its a little like seeing your favorite sports team do well.
One thing's for sure, I'm seeing a lot of people just talking about Star Wars on the streets these days. Its pretty cool.
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Amazing how people confuse quantity with quality.
Some here say that they want ROTS to do well, so they can brag about it? If anyone can brag about it, it's GL and everyone involved in making the movie.
We, as fans, have NOTHING to brag about, we just see the movie, we have contributed nothing to it.
Yeah, I don't go around bragging about it really. I guess that as a bad choice of words. It's just a nice thing to use in a debate about how Star Wars is crap and only a small group of wackos likes the film. I might use the box office numbers to indicate it has a broader appeal than what they may stereotypically believe.
It's not like I go around saying "Yeah baby! My movie Star Wars made X amount of money at the box office this week. I am awesome because of that! Yeah!!! Woohooo!!!"
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Amazing how people confuse quantity with quality.
Some here say that they want ROTS to do well, so they can brag about it? If anyone can brag about it, it's GL and everyone involved in making the movie.
We, as fans, have NOTHING to brag about, we just see the movie, we have contributed nothing to it.
Who **** in your corn flakes this morning? :o
As for contributing nothing I'll disagree. We contributed nothing to the creation of the film (though that too may be subjective and open to discussion - why does JarJar have no dialogue?) but we contribute directly to the success of the film. Perhaps you don't have to pay to enter the theater to watch it, but I and most others do. We contribute directly to the success of the movie. It can be critically acclaimed (or not) but without $$$ flowing in, it doesn't really matter.
And if we really want to get into a debate of quantity over quality, well shouldn't we all be attending the Opera in droves, rather than paying attention to a mindless children's movie? It's all rather subjective wouldn't you say?
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Amazing how people confuse quantity with quality.
Some here say that they want ROTS to do well, so they can brag about it? If anyone can brag about it, it's GL and everyone involved in making the movie.
We, as fans, have NOTHING to brag about, we just see the movie, we have contributed nothing to it.
Kay...easy Tiger. I want it to do well, because, as Lando (that Scoundrel) said, it's kind of like rooting for your favorite sports team. It's not as if I feel financial success legitimizes my passion for Star Wars; but it is wonderful to see. The more succesful Star Wars is, the longer it will be around. ;D
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I'm guilty of cheering on the box office totals as well. Always have. It's fun, after all. I love any kind of stats or lists or some combination of both.
I like Ed's analogy, that it's just akin to rooting for your hometown sports team or something. Obviously everyone here's a Star Wars fan, so I think it makes sense that we'd all be rooting for it to do as well at the box office as possible. I may not have anything to do with the movie myself, but I do feel a certain sense of pride as I watch it climb the alltime box office list. Certainly nothing wrong with that.
As for "quality", I think that's what the ROTS Reviews thread is for. This one's just a numbers thread really. Nothing more. But I agree that quantity (high box office total) doesn't necessarily mean quality. Obviously Phantom Menace would be an excellent case in point there. Conversely, so would Empire Strikes Back as well (relatively speaking). I certainly didn't care for TPM much at all, but I'm still happy to see how well it did at the box office. Of course, Empire, probably the best flick of the whole Saga, also made the least money of any movie in the Saga. Go figure. (pun intended)
I also just dig seeing "Star Wars: ___" scattered all over the Top 10 or Top 20 list whenever I poke my nose into BoxOfficeMojo.com's alltime lists. That said, we're up to $278,901,370 through the first two weeks. Not too shabby... 8)
Still won't come close to Titanic though.
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I like the point Matt made on Empire. I have always found it extremely ironic that Empire is the best one, and it has made the least amount of money. How can that be explained? Wild! I'm guessing that it's a generational thing. Most of us who say Empire was the best were probably between 6 aand 10 when it came out, and we didn't have the bank to see it as much as we would have liked (however, that didn't stop us from begging our parents everyday!! ;D ). As we got older and started making money, it was easier to see Menace, because that was more within our immediate control.
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Well part of the reason to is that the ticket prices are much higher nowadays. I am not sure what the ESB gross would be now? But yeah, I loved that movie when I was a kid. I would have been happy seeing it every night of the week back in the summer of that year.
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I like the point Matt made on Empire. I have always found it extremely ironic that Empire is the best one, and it has made the least amount of money. How can that be explained? Wild! I'm guessing that it's a generational thing. Most of us who say Empire was the best were probably between 6 aand 10 when it came out, and we didn't have the bank to see it as much as we would have liked (however, that didn't stop us from begging our parents everyday!! ;D ). As we got older and started making money, it was easier to see Menace, because that was more within our immediate control.
Actually, I think Matt's assesment has more to do with quality. Because ESB was a quality film, it made the least money. Not to insult anyone, but the fact is is that people don't always like intellectualy films. They usually go to a movie to have a good time, not to get emotionaly bumbed out or have to think about what's going on. ANH was fun through and through, it was the ultimate crowd pleaser. ESB was a differnt experience, a darker one, that's why it didn't perform as well financially.
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Actually, I think Matt's assesment has more to do with quality. Because ESB was a quality film, it made the least money. Not to insult anyone, but the fact is is that people don't always like intellectualy films. They usually go to a movie to have a good time, not to get emotionaly bumbed out or have to think about what's going on. ANH was fun through and through, it was the ultimate crowd pleaser. ESB was a differnt experience, a darker one, that's why it didn't perform as well financially.
I can see that. People are like sheep at times. They like to be spoon fed with results. I love that the ending of Empire was left wide open. Is Vader really Luke's father, will Han Solo be rescued, does Luke really have a bionic hand (that's what we thought when we were kids :D )? Most people want the ending to be wrapped up in a nice little package, but I enjoy a little ambiguity now and then.
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Well, it was fun while it lasted.
'Madagascar' #1 at box office. (http://movies.yahoo.com/feature/weekendboxofficer.0605.html)
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I was hoping it would be Batman that would dethrone ROTS. Oh well. It almost beat everyone again but not quite. Still though it's over $308 million. Not bad for roughly 3 weeks.
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I was hoping it would be Batman that would dethrone ROTS. Oh well. It almost beat everyone again but not quite. Still though it's over $308 million. Not bad for roughly 3 weeks.
It only lost by about $2 million, so uit was pretty close. Anyway, from the Top Grossing Movies in the USA:
17. Star Wars: Episode II - Attack of the Clones (2002) $310,675,583
18. Star Wars: Episode VI - Return of the Jedi (1983) $309,125,409
19. Star Wars: Episode III - Revenge of the Sith (2005) $308,804,625
Basically RotS has caught up to RotJ and AotC in less than THREE weeks (18 days)! I'd say that's pretty dang good. ;)
It should pass both RotJ and AotC this week and then be 3rd highest grossing SW Film of all time with the rest of the summer to go...
Jeff
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Surprised that it happened though I guess, I would have thought after beating them last week it would have kept ahead of them this week. Still rolling though well ahead of AOTC and TPM's pace. It should challenge Menace in the end...for all of the flack Menace got, it sure raked in the moolah
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I know the TPM did extremely well for all the flack that it got. I think AOTC would have done better had it not opened around the same timeframe as Spider-Man. Maybe not though?
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TPM did well because it played to a family audience. I think that's why Madagascar has done well, it's the only kid's film out right now. I bet if ROTS was PG, it would have still been #1.
There are many, many parents who follow the ratings systems and don't bring little ones to PG-13 flicks.
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From the AP:
Topping the $300 million mark in its 17th day of release Saturday, "Revenge of the Sith" became the fastest film to hit that level, beating the record set last year by "Shrek 2," which passed $300 million in 18 days.
At $308.8 million through Sunday, "Revenge of the Sith" was just $2 million behind the total domestic haul of "Star Wars: Episode II — Attack of the Clones." 20th Century Fox expects it to top $400 million and possibly rival the $431 million domestic total of "Episode I — The Phantom Menace," said Bruce Snyder, the studio's head of distribution.
Even though it stinks that Madagascar replaced it, these last two paragraphs sure made me feel a lot happier. 8)
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It SOOoooooo deserves to pass TPM that it's not even funny. I think I'd be happy with that milestone. Titanic just seems like it's an unattainable goal for this film... I think the lackluster performances of AOTC and TPM (as far as public opinion goes) really hurt ROTS's chances... People sour on a franchise and I think a lot soured on Star Wars after 1999 passed us by.
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Personally I don't know what is going to come along and ever top Titanic. Think about it. The LOTR movies, SpiderMan flicks, Shrek2, and ROTS all had insance opening weekends and finished well but still fall at least $150-170 million short of $600 million.
Even if people loved TPM and AOTC I bet it still would not top $450 million.
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I think the lackluster performances of AOTC and TPM (as far as public opinion goes) really hurt ROTS's chances... People sour on a franchise and I think a lot soured on Star Wars after 1999 passed us by.
No, I think it has to do with the fact the ROTS isn't that better than it's prequel predicessors (as far a public opinion goes.) :o
Actually, I think what everyone has to realize is that Star Wars has s built in audience. Unless the films were God Awful, they would earn $300 miliion plus easy per film if they kept making them, and it would be roughly the same audience. What'll keep it going is getting John Q Publics butt's in the seats, and that's done with strong word of mouth. I know ROTS is getting favorable reviews and is hailed the best of the prequels, but that's not saying much if you're not a Star Wars fan and if word of mouth isn't that strong, which it's not for ROTS.
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Huh? Most people I talk to who are not Star Wars fans have given ROTS a very favorable response. At least around here where I live. I was kind of surprised because they are the same ones that like to rib me about my Star Wars obsession.
Ex) A 40 year old co-worker only went to see it with her 10 year old son because he wanted to go. She told me "I thought I was going to hate it. I really enjoyed it a lot!"
Ex2) From my cousin's wife's husband who ripped on the last 2 mercilessly said "Wow! ROTS was fantastic!! It was so dramatic! I saw it again the other night!"
Ex3) Another co-worker who rips on the prequels endlessly. "ROTS was pretty damn cool Brian. I was surprised."
Granted all those people said they were "surprised" but it was all favorable to say the least. It's just a small smattering I described.
However, the only people I have heard ripping on it that have seen it are folks here on the boards. Granted I am sure if I asked around enough I would here someone not liking it. But it's not the majority. At least not around here like I said earlier.
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I'll have to piggyback on what Brian said, everyone I have talked to (and I am not shy ;) ) has said they love the film. I think people really like that it wraps everything up so nicely. I have heard some criticism that Anakin agrees to become Darth Vader a bit too quickly (I can see where people would say that), but I still haven't heard too much sour about it, except on some boards. Right on if you don't like it, as you are certainly entitled to your oppinion (of course!). I loved it, myself.
Having said all that, I would agree with Jesse James that Episode I soured a lot of people. A guy who used to run the comic shop I frequent said he would never see anything by Lucas ever again after seeing Menace.
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I agree as well that I think Word of Mouth is good for ROTS... Reviews were predominantly positive (negative reviews I've found often were stretching for things to complain about), and on a personal level my friends who aren't die-hard SW fans were floored by the film and consider it as good as the originals... I think in general that people loved ROTS if they went to see it.
The built-in-audience is a given... I stick by my initial thought that the lackluster performance of TPM and AOTC has hurt ROTS in the long run. When Star Wars was re-released back in 1997, it was cool to go see it... It was cool to like Star Wars at the time really... TPM drew a similar crowd then, but people didn't like the film. It had that bigger draw because more people went to it but in the end they really didn't like it... AOTC did piss poor (relatively) then, but was a better film by most everyone who saw it's standards. THe franchise, after TPM, had become like the plague for a large portion of people it seemed... It was nerdy to like Star Wars because "oh, so you must like Jar Jar Binks!" and other asinine remarks.
Jump to ROTS and it still suffers the "this is dumb... I bet Jar Jar's in it!" Stigma. I personally think that's made a lot of people who (if the franchise wasn't so stereotyped as "bad" now) otherwise would've gone to see the Star Wars films say that they'll either wait to rent it or they're done with the franchise overall... The disenchanted. That's just my opinion though... To me, the film got lots of good press and talk from the public, but that's just my personal experiences with it too.
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Personally I don't know what is going to come along and ever top Titanic. Think about it. The LOTR movies, SpiderMan flicks, Shrek2, and ROTS all had insance opening weekends and finished well but still fall at least $150-170 million short of $600 million.
Even if people loved TPM and AOTC I bet it still would not top $450 million.
30 years from now when the average ticket costs $20.00 almost any blockbuster movie will beat Titanic.
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Personally I don't know what is going to come along and ever top Titanic. Think about it. The LOTR movies, SpiderMan flicks, Shrek2, and ROTS all had insance opening weekends and finished well but still fall at least $150-170 million short of $600 million.
Even if people loved TPM and AOTC I bet it still would not top $450 million.
30 years from now when the average ticket costs $20.00 almost any blockbuster movie will beat Titanic.
30 years? No try in like five. My theatre is at 10, and they plan to go to 12 this fall. And it will just rise from there. >:(
Kevin
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Good point Zod. I think these records should also note the average movie ticket price and adjust each movie total for inflation, to reflect accurate sales. For example, Titanic which came out roughly 8 years ago probably had an average ticket price of $7 and change. And now, tickets cost roughly $9 on average. A good movie 20 years from now should be able to destroy all the old records at this rate.
Either that, or the records should be based on tickets sold only.
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Good point Zod. I think these records should also note the average movie ticket price and adjust each movie total for inflation, to reflect accurate sales.
BoxOfficeMojo's way ahead of you Matt... ;)
All-time Domestic Grosses, adjusted (http://www.boxofficemojo.com/alltime/adjusted.htm)
Forgive the sloppy copy/paste here. As you can see, Titanic ain't even #1 here, but ANH sure kicks some ass using this method (as do old Disney flicks)! 8) (the second total in there is the unadjusted gross)
1 Gone with the Wind MGM $1,293,085,600 $198,676,459 1939^
2 Star Wars Fox $1,139,965,400 $460,998,007 1977^
3 The Sound of Music Fox $911,458,400 $158,671,368 1965
4 E.T.: The Extra-Terrestrial Uni. $907,867,700 $435,110,554 1982^
5 The Ten Commandments Par. $838,400,000 $65,500,000 1956
6 Titanic Par. $821,413,700 $600,788,188 1997
7 Jaws Uni. $819,704,400 $260,000,000 1975
8 Doctor Zhivago MGM $794,466,900 $111,721,910 1965
9 The Exorcist WB $707,639,500 $232,671,011 1973^
10 Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs Dis. $697,600,000 $184,925,486 1937^
11 101 Dalmatians Dis. $639,470,400 $144,880,014 1961^
12 The Empire Strikes Back Fox $628,356,100 $290,475,067 1980^
13 Ben-Hur MGM $627,200,000 $74,000,000 1959
14 Return of the Jedi Fox $601,980,200 $309,306,177 1983^
15 The Sting Uni. $570,514,300 $156,000,000 1973
16 Raiders of the Lost Ark Par. $564,107,900 $242,374,454 1981^
17 Jurassic Park Uni. $551,717,400 $357,067,947 1993
18 The Graduate AVCO $547,295,400 $104,642,560 1967
19 Star Wars: Episode I - The Phantom Menace Fox $542,885,200 $431,088,301 1999
20 Fantasia Dis. $531,478,300 $76,408,097 1941^
AOTC is way the hell down the list at #80. :-\
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Sweet, never saw this before. The way I see this, this is the real top 20 films. It's only fair.
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See how Jurassic Park is on that list? I like that. :-*
Kevin
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Sweet, never saw this before. The way I see this, this is the real top 20 films. It's only fair.
Absolutely. That should be the correct way to determine the #1 movie. Like you said, Dressel, it's only fair.
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They should forget any measurement of grosses (adjusted or not) and go purely by number of tickets sold. Why should the guy at the $4.00 Super Good Deal matinee count less than the guy who sees the $9.00 evening showing?
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Sweet, never saw this before. The way I see this, this is the real top 20 films. It's only fair.
Yeah, I kinda agree. But ****, can you imagine any movie nowadays trying to compete with ANY of those in there? Not a chance in hell. Gone With the Wind and Star Wars topping 1 BILLION adjusted is absolutely mindboggling, if you think about it. I don't even see any modern day movies coming close to challenging any of the films on the adjusted list above for many years to come, considering they'd have to (currently) gross at least 532 million just to crack the Top 20. And only Titanic has EVER grossed at least that. No one else has even come close.
That said, ROTS is up to $317,257,697 through yesterday, which puts it at #16 all time (surely 15 as of now), but at just a paltry #89 on the adjusted list.
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BTW, I think it's time for Scott to change the title of this thread to Can Sith Beat Phantom Menace? ;)
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You said it, Matt. The advent of VHS (now DVD) and good home theater systems has killed the repeat viewings and theatrical re-releases that drove Gone with the Wind, A New Hope, Jaws, and others on that list. Even when Titanic came out in '97, VHS wasn't as big a dominating factor in a film's success as DVDs are today.
Nowadays movies start off with a huge opening weekend bang (it seems like the opening records are broken every few months) and fizzle abruptly.
I'd love to see all six Episodes re-released in theaters (maybe for the 30th anniversary), but sadly it wouldn't be cost-effective anymore and I don't foresee it being so ever again. :'( At least I got to see the Special Editions theatrically.
That all being said, if Revenge doesn't even beat Spider-man I'm gonna be pissed. >:(
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This week:
1. "Mr. & Mrs. Smith," $51.1 million.
2. "Madagascar," $17.1 million.
3. "Star Wars: Episode III — Revenge of the Sith," $14.9 million. Cumulative Gross $332,108,000.
4. "The Longest Yard," $13.5 million.
ROTS now sits at #83, not far from AOTC which is still at #80 with $342,198,200.
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Currently #13 on the non-adjusted domestic scale.
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/alltime/domestic.htm
1 Titanic Par. $600,788,188 1997
2 Star Wars Fox $460,998,007 1977
3 Shrek 2 DW $441,226,247 2004
4 E.T.: The Extra-Terrestrial Uni. $435,110,554 1982
5 Star Wars: Episode I - The Phantom Menace Fox $431,088,301 1999
6 Spider-Man Sony $403,706,375 2002
7 The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King NL $377,027,325 2003
8 Spider-Man 2 Sony $373,585,825 2004
9 The Passion of the Christ NM $370,782,930 2004
10 Jurassic Park Uni. $357,067,947 1993
11 The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers NL $341,786,758 2002
12 Finding Nemo BV $339,714,978 2003
13 Star Wars: Episode III - Revenge of the Sith Fox $332,108,000 2005
Go l'il guy, go! :P
Forget even beating TPM, I think we're looking more at "Can it beat Jurassic Park and crack the Top Ten"? :( Too bad, because I really wanted to thrash the Spider-Mans.
By the way, now that I'm looking at the list, how the f**k did Shrek 2 come in at #3??? That's just wrong.
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I think Famine will be pretty pissed if ROTS beats Jurrassic Park... :P
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In a way I'll be bummed too, because I love JP (saw it in the theater way back in '93). Same with LOTR. But unfortunately in order to beat Spider-man it has to go past those movies.
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I think Sith will without a doubt break the top ten, and will probably even do it next weekend or just after. How far it goes after that depends on where it bottoms out. If it makes $15 million next weekend, or roundabouts, then $400 million is a sure thing. If it makes ten or less, I don't know.
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I think Famine will be pretty pissed if ROTS beats Jurrassic Park... :P
Your damn right. >:(
I wanna know how Shrek beat out a masterpiece like Jurassic Park! >:(
Kevin
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masterpiece like Jurassic Park! >:(
:o :o :o :o :o :o
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Personally I don't know what is going to come along and ever top Titanic. Think about it. The LOTR movies, SpiderMan flicks, Shrek2, and ROTS all had insance opening weekends and finished well but still fall at least $150-170 million short of $600 million.
Even if people loved TPM and AOTC I bet it still would not top $450 million.
30 years from now when the average ticket costs $20.00 almost any blockbuster movie will beat Titanic.
I understand that completely. Yes, someday there will be a film that will eclipse the $600 million barrier. No doubts there. I am just saying right now if ticket prices were to stay the same and everything else being equal I don't see how it would be topped considering all the hype and opening weekend numbers films such as Spiderman 2, Shrek 2, LOTR, and Star Wars enjoy. I guess it can happen but not very likely.
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Another weekend, another $15 million:
1. Titanic (1997) $600,779,824
2. Star Wars (1977) $460,935,665
3. Shrek 2 (2004) $436,471,036
4. E.T. the Extra-Terrestrial (1982) $434,949,459
5. Star Wars: Episode I - The Phantom Menace (1999) $431,065,444
6. Spider-Man (2002) $403,706,375
7. The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King (2003) $377,019,252
8. Spider-Man 2 (2004) $373,377,893
9. The Passion of the Christ (2004) $370,270,943
10. Jurassic Park (1993) $356,784,000
11. The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers (2002) $340,478,898
12. Finding Nemo (2003) $339,714,367
13. Star Wars: Episode III - Revenge of the Sith (2005) $332,107,697
Sitting at #13, should catch Finding Nemo by next weekend...
Jeff
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masterpiece like Jurassic Park! >:(
:o :o :o :o :o :o
You doubt my feelings? >:(
Kevin
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Although Shrek is good, JP is MUCH better. I also don't get how Shrek beat JP. I also don't understand how LOTR beat it.
Ah well.
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ROTS is still in the top 5.
1. "Batman Begins," $46.9 million
2. "Mr. & Mrs. Smith," $27.3 million
3. "Madagascar," $11.1 million
4. "Star Wars: Episode III," $9.7 million
5. "The Longest Yard," $8 million
$347,802,000 and $677.336523 worldwide. Ranking #11.
1: Titanic $600,788,188 (1997)
2: Star Wars $460,998,007 (1977)
3: Shrek 2 $441,226,247 (2004)
4: E.T.: The Extra-Terrestrial $435,110,554 (1982)
5: Star Wars: Episode I - The Phantom Menace $431,088,301 (1999)
6: Spider-Man $403,706,375 (2002)
7: The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King $377,027,325 (2003)
8: Spider-Man 2 $373,585,825 (2004)
9: The Passion of the Christ $370,782,930 (2004)
10: Jurassic Park $357,067,947 (1993)
11: Star Wars: Episode III - Revenge of the Sith $347,802,000 (2005)
12: The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers $341,786,758 (2002)
13: Finding Nemo $339,714,978 (2003)
14: Forrest Gump $329,694,499 (1994)
15: The Lion King $328,541,776 (1994)
16: Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone $317,575,550 (2001)
17: The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring $314,776,170 (2001)
18: Star Wars: Episode II - Attack of the Clones $310,676,740 (2002)
19: Return of the Jedi $309,306,177 (1983)
20: Independence Day $306,169,268 (1996)
21: Pirates of the Caribbean: The Curse of the Black Pearl $305,413,918 (2003)
22: The Sixth Sense $293,506,292 (1999)
23: The Empire Strikes Back $290,475,067 (1980)
24: Home Alone $285,761,243 (1990)
25: The Matrix Reloaded $281,576,461 (2003)
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If it knocks off my beloved Jurassic Park, so help me god...I'll lose an extra 10lbs.
Kevin
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It looks like its about on the same pace as Clones was back in 2002...or close to it.
Projecting out the same length of time means it will make another $31 million which would just beat ROTK and move in to the #7 spot
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ROTS is definately going to have a tough time from here on out. It will definately overtake Jurassic Park and could concievably pull out ahead of ROTK, but it will take weeks to do it. As for 400m, it's a craps shoot.
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It's still doing pretty well though. How many weeks has it been out now and it made another $9 million this weekend? I think it will make it to $400 million...barely.
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ROTS is definately going to have a tough time from here on out. It will definately overtake Jurassic Park
YOU TAKE THAT BACK!
Of course, in the long run, JP didn't have millions of fans from 30 years before it.
Kevin
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Who's up for a Pool? Guess the final domestic gross and win a prize! ;)
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ROTS is definately going to have a tough time from here on out. It will definately overtake Jurassic Park
YOU TAKE THAT BACK!
Of course, in the long run, JP didn't have millions of fans from 30 years before it.
Kevin
And of course...if Spielberg would have stuck with the book and not made some crap happy go lucky ending, more people, like me who had read said book in 1991, might have gone a few more times to see it
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I agree he should have goen closer with book, but Chriton himself helped create the script, and re-worked it. I read JP back in 91 myself, 15 times. I was 5 sodding years old. I didn't know most of the jargon about Chaos theorey, and what not, but that book entertained the **** out of me. I've read it about 20 times since.
But we'll save this discussion for the book club thread.
JP RULES!
Kevin
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Who's up for a Pool? Guess the final domestic gross and win a prize! ;)
I'm game.
I have an idea for the prize. Everyone that guesses has to donate a ROTS fig. The winner gets them all.
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Who's up for a Pool? Guess the final domestic gross and win a prize! ;)
I'm game.
I have an idea for the prize. Everyone that guesses has to donate a ROTS fig. The winner gets them all.
You know, I was half joking making that sugestion, but if the Figure was an army builder, like #41 clone, that would rock!
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I read JP back in 91 myself, 15 times. I was 5 sodding years old.
You read "Jurassic Park" by Michael Crichton at age 5? 15 times?
Were all the Berenstain Bears storybooks checked out from the library or something? :P
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Dinosaurs were my life.
Still are, in some respects.
Kevin
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$352M right now. It'll be nice to break into the Top 10 this weekend finally (sorry Kev), but I fear the best ROTS is gonna do at this point is unseat ROTK for 7th place alltime. But after that, I'm afraid it's legs are gonna die out, and there's little to no chance of it breaking $400M, passing Spiderman, and especially passing TPM. Like all movies nowadays, it got off to a huge start, but really hit the skids after a few weeks. Heck, at this point, it's barely gonna break the Top 50 for adjusted grosses, which isn't saying a whole lot... :-\
But hopefully ROTS' legs surprise me, and it really gets up there into the elite status of the $400M club. $404 would be perfect, just squeeking us past that little webcrawling freak! :P
My prediction: $383M
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I'm gonna say... $391. That's probably too high, but oh well. The "I'm going to wait for DVD" mentality is cutting the legs out from under every movie now and aside from inflation, I seriously doubt any film from here on out will ever contend with Titanic.
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I'm going to say that it's gonna be around $382-4 tops for US.
HOWEVER, international figures should shoot up like no ones bussiness come July when it opens it Japan.
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My prediction: $383M
I'm going to say that it's gonna be around $382-4 tops for US.
Hey, pick your own number Andrew! >:(
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Bah, to hell with you and your number. I'm nationalizing it.
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I'm gonna say... $391. That's probably too high, but oh well. The "I'm going to wait for DVD" mentality is cutting the legs out from under every movie now and aside from inflation, I seriously doubt any film from here on out will ever contend with Titanic.
I think the "I will wait for the DVD mentality" is killing the box office in general right now. The studios won't mind that because they get a ton of money from those sales.
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I'm gonna say... $391. That's probably too high, but oh well. The "I'm going to wait for DVD" mentality is cutting the legs out from under every movie now and aside from inflation, I seriously doubt any film from here on out will ever contend with Titanic.
I think the "I will wait for the DVD mentality" is killing the box office in general right now. The studios won't mind that because they get a ton of money from those sales.
Another thing I feel that is keeping the box office down right now at least for me is the price of a movie ticket. Here for a cheap ticket it would cost me about 7.50 and tops out at 9.50, which means I have to limit what I go see. I had hope to see Sith 7 or so times but have only seen it 3 times but can't justify the expense of seeing it again at that cost while there are more important things for me to buy.
I think SIth will ended up at 390 million, wish it would do better though.
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there are 3 theaters showing RotS here and they all have different prices, the lowest is $5.50 at night up to $8 at night, so I'm also limited by prices. I've seen 3 times in theaters and only if I get to 1 more time will be before it closes but that's a big fereaking maybe. I'm glad it's done so much, $350 million + is awesome but with other BIG movies out doing very good business - batman, madasgasgar. mr/mrs smith and coming soon WotW, it'sll be hard for sith to make much more. I love movies so I like seeing them.
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I'll go with $388M, for the record.
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OK, but keep in mind that this is like The Price Is Right. If you go over, you lose. :P
That said, we're going to say that Andrew's guess is $382m (not 382-384). That way, I have much more room to call my own... ;)
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That said, we're going to say that Andrew's guess is $382m (not 382-384). That way, I have much more room to call my own... ;)
::) Fine.
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Another $6,250,000 this weekend.
And it finally cracked the Top Ten! (Sorry Famine. :-\)
1 Titanic Par. $600,788,188 1997
2 Star Wars Fox $460,998,007 1977
3 Shrek 2 DW $441,226,247 2004
4 E.T.: The Extra-Terrestrial Uni. $435,110,554 1982
5 Star Wars: Episode I - The Phantom Menace Fox $431,088,301 1999
6 Spider-Man Sony $403,706,375 2002
7 The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King NL $377,027,325 2003
8 Spider-Man 2 Sony $373,585,825 2004
9 The Passion of the Christ NM $370,782,930 2004
10 Star Wars: Episode III - Revenge of the Sith Fox $358,606,000 2005
My prediction: $378,000,000
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NoooooOOOOOOO![/Vader]
"God creates man, man destroys God, man creates dinosaurs."
-"Dinosaurs eat man...woman inherits the earth."
>:(
Kevin
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"Sith creates clone army, clone army defeats woman ... Episode III inherits the box office."
;)
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Episode 3 is very top 10 worthy.. However, JP beaten by Titanic? LOTR? That's what I don't get.
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LOTR had the advantage that ticket prices are higher than when JP came out in 1993. Plus, there was a larger built-in audience who'd read LOTR than who'd read JP (though probably not the prime factor in BO success).
Titanic ... well, every 13-year-old girl in America went to see it thirty times. Plus I gather it would have been a popular date movie.
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Episode 3 is very top 10 worthy.. However, JP beaten by Titanic? LOTR? That's what I don't get.
LOTR's success was very impressive due to the length of each film alone, it's very unusual for such epics to do that well. As for Titanic, it's already been stated, Titanic reached and appealed to just about every target demographic, especially the older generation who seldom flock to movies.
JP was just a dinosaur movie. ::) ;D
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JP was just a dinosaur movie. ::) ;D
Uh-oh. Now you've done it, Anthony. Kevin's gonna come storming in here any minute ranting and raving like the crazy dinosaur lunatic that he is... :-X
Still absolutely mindboggling how much dough Titanic raked in 8 years ago. It had the benefit of hitting just prior to the DVD craze really exploding, but keep in mind that that flick was pretty damned long too, especially at the time. 2 3/4 hours, was it? Don't really recall anymore... Personally, I think it was Kate's nudie scene that really put it over the top though. :P
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Only....a dinosaur movie? >:( >:( >:( >:(
I'm too mad to rant!
Kevin
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:D
(http://a1259.g.akamai.net/f/1259/5586/1d/images.art.com/images/PRODUCTS/large/10006000/10006606.jpg)
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:D
(http://a1259.g.akamai.net/f/1259/5586/1d/images.art.com/images/PRODUCTS/large/10006000/10006606.jpg)
>:(
(http://www.moviebazaar.de/filmjur1.jpg)
(http://www.lost-world.com/Lost_World02/Jurassic_Park.Site/stills/0630_23.GIF)
(http://www.fantascienza.com/cinema/jurassic-park/media/07.jpg)
Get that damn dog outta this thread. >:(
Kevin
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(http://dinonews.net/dossiers/films/jp3/images/malcolm.jpg)
"Hi, I died at the end of JP the book and yet, somehow, I managed to become resurrected for the next book" ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
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"I think I need a bigger boxoffice!" :D
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(http://dinonews.net/dossiers/films/jp3/images/malcolm.jpg)
"Hi, I died at the end of JP the book and yet, somehow, I managed to become resurrected for the next book" ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
I can get you a list of people who have been pronounced dead, and come back after being so.
It's not that far fetched.
Kevin
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I'm changing my guess to $371. Just dosen't look like it'll make it much longer.
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It will probably make $371 by next weekend, certainly will by the end of next weekend. I think I said something like $391. It's possible, but I doubt it.
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Gained another $5 million this past weekend, now up to $366 million.
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I guessed $378 mil, and I think even that estimate might be too high. But then again we've still got the second-run theaters.....
It could pass The Passion at $370.7 mil, but sadly I don't think we can beat Spidey 2 at $373.5. :-\ Actually I really wanted to beat Spidey 1 at $403.7, but that's nowhere near feasible. :'(
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It really depends on just how long theatres keep it. Back in 99 TPM was at the local theatre for 6 months. No joke. It seems to get about a 1 mil per day and then the weekends a bit more. Of course there are no more big holiday weekends for it. Oh well I am happy with what it made to be honest.
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I'm changing my guess to $371. Just dosen't look like it'll make it much longer.
Hey!? They don't let you change your bet in Vagas do they? :P Your original guess will be counted. ;)
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It really depends on just how long theatres keep it. Back in 99 TPM was at the local theatre for 6 months. No joke. It seems to get about a 1 mil per day and then the weekends a bit more. Of course there are no more big holiday weekends for it.
Yep that's the real issue. At my theater it's already reduced to one small screen. Damned Batman and WOTW. ::)
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I have noticed here in the Phoenix area that a lot of theatres still have ROTS at 2 screens. It may have changed now with WOTW? I did not check this morning. However, it was still the case this past 4th of July weekend. Or so I thought.
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It really depends on just how long theatres keep it. Back in 99 TPM was at the local theatre for 6 months. No joke. It seems to get about a 1 mil per day and then the weekends a bit more. Of course there are no more big holiday weekends for it.
Yep that's the real issue. At my theater it's already reduced to one small screen. Damned Batman and WOTW. ::)
Yeah, same thing here. Knowing my theater, it'll be gone once Fantastic 4 and Charlie and the Chocolate Factory hit town.
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I feel kinda bad for being pleased about this, but ROTS beat The Passion.
1 Titanic Par. $600,788,188 1997
2 Star Wars Fox $460,998,007 1977^
3 Shrek 2 DW $441,226,247 2004
4 E.T.: The Extra-Terrestrial Uni. $435,110,554 1982^
5 Star Wars: Episode I - The Phantom Menace Fox $431,088,301 1999
6 Spider-Man Sony $403,706,375 2002
7 The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King NL $377,027,325 2003
8 Spider-Man 2 Sony $373,585,825 2004
9 Star Wars: Episode III - Revenge of the Sith Fox $372,222,826 2005
10 The Passion of the Christ NM $370,782,930 2004^
Only $1.36 million to Spidey 2, so maybe #8 is feasible after all! I really don't think it'll make it $377 mil though.
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I think #8 is a no-brainer. Movies in the dying weeks are funny, they can still earn a few mill each week and hang in there. I don't think #7 is too far fetched.
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Yeah I think it will make it past #7 barely.
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It looks like its about on the same pace as Clones was back in 2002...or close to it.
Projecting out the same length of time means it will make another $31 million which would just beat ROTK and move in to the #7 spot
I guessed right around $379....I might be dang close
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IMDB lists it as #8 now, about $500,000 above Spidey 2. Just $4 million more and it can beat Return of the King.
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w000tz! In yo face, Spidey! :P
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1 Titanic Par. $600,788,188 1997
2 Star Wars Fox $460,998,007 1977^
3 Shrek 2 DW $441,226,247 2004
4 E.T.: The Extra-Terrestrial Uni. $435,110,554 1982^
5 Star Wars: Episode I - The Phantom Menace Fox $431,088,301 1999
6 Spider-Man Sony $403,706,375 2002
7 The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King NL $377,027,325 2003
8 Star Wars: Episode III - Revenge of the Sith Fox $376,197,747 2005
Incidentally, it's #56 on the adjusted list and #13 ($802.3 mil) in world grosses.
Against my continuous drumbeat of pronouncements of doom, it's closing in on Return of the King, and #7 is probably a lock (slightly under 1 million to go). But I'm fairly certain it will stall before reaching Spidey 1's $403.7 mil. That's a gap of almost $27 mil, which is way out of reality at this stage.
I'm actually somewhat ambivalent about this. On a cinematic & artistic level I consider ROTK the superior film and want it to have a good ranking. But then again I want ROTS to make it as high on the list as possible and I'm a bigger SW fan than Rings fan.
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$377,080,716 just barely passed ROTK :P
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I saw that this morning. Nice to see ROTS move up another spot, although that is probably about it for it. It doesn't look like it has a chance of catching Spider-Man, but a nice showing overall. I think that ROTS is only playing in one theatre in town now here, and pretty limited there as well. Bring on the DVD :P.
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I reply with the aforementioned qualifier on my "Yay!!". No chance of reaching Spiderman, but that's still a really good run.
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Oh yeah that was a fantastic run. I would like to have seen what it could have done without that damn bootleg floating around. Although I doubt it would have eclipsed Spidey regardless. A nice way to end the Star Wars run IMO.
Yes, bring on the DVD please!
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Just incase anyone cares, the final tally for ROTS was $380,209,351.00.
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I wish ROTS would of beat Spiderman. Thats such crap movie IMO.
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Spiderman. Thats such crap movie IMO.
Blasphemy!
jk. :)
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I wish ROTS would of beat Spiderman. Thats such crap movie IMO.
Agreed. I honestly thought it would do better than it did, at least $450 million.
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Well piracy takes a big portion of it nowadays along with the short time to DVDs. Not to mention the high price of movie tickets. It all takes it's toll.
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So ... are we still doing that pool?
By my count, here's the three closest ones:
Vator: $382 (http://www.jedidefender.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=7801.msg136154#msg136154)
Scott: variously suggested $378 (http://www.jedidefender.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=7801.msg134534#msg134534) and "around $379" (http://www.jedidefender.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=7801.msg143016#msg143016)
Me: $378 (http://www.jedidefender.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=7801.msg136413#msg136413)
Looks like Scott won. (http://cheesebuerger.de/images/midi/froehlich/a023.gif) So what figure do I have to buy--was there a decision?