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https://twitter.com/starwars/status/1337173861956108288
Ahsoka, a new Original Series, starring @RosarioDawson and set within the timeline of @TheMandalorian, is coming to @DisneyPlus
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https://twitter.com/starwars/status/1337173861956108288
Ahsoka, a new Original Series, starring @RosarioDawson and set within the timeline of @TheMandalorian, is coming to @DisneyPlus
Awesome.
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So when we get more cast announcements, it is reasonable to speculate that person will be portraying Thrawn! ;D
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This announcement caught me by surprise! I thought that Ahsoka's story would would be an intriguing side plot. But it's going to be interesting to see her story move forward.
Ahsoka questioning Morgan Elsbeth at the end of "The Jedi" about Thrawn was huge! I think you can't just leave something like that as a dangling thread in this post Empire / early New Republic period. I had recently looked up some video of Lars Mikkelson, who was the voice actor for Thrawn on Rebels. And the guy looks remarkably like Thrawn! Minus the blue skin and red eyes, of course. And he has extensive live action roles under his belt. I would be surprised if the production wasn't looking at him for this role.
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I was re-reading the blurb from the Official Site and looked at the logo and the wheels got turning:
After making her long awaited live-action debut in The Mandalorian, Ahsoka Tano’s story, written by Dave Filoni, will continue in a limited series starring Rosario Dawson and executive produced by Dave Filoni and Jon Favreau.
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The image seems to invoke the World between Worlds a bit. Whether or not we learn how Ahsoka got out of there seems like a significant part of her story.
The search for Thrawn seems like it's going to be a major continuing story line. She was pretty insistent with Morgan Elsbeth about finding Thrawn after their fight. And when we last saw Ahsoka in the final episode of Rebels it seemed like she might be going on a quest with Sabine to find Ezra. I get the sense that Ahsoka might feel indebted to Ezra for saving her. Considering how Ezra departed Lothal with Thrawn on the Chimaera, it seems reasonable to think that if Ahsoka can locate Thrawn, then she might be able to find Ezra. And at the heart of all of the storytelling for that has been Dave Filoni, who will be writing this series.
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SWCA seemed to be focused largely on the Obi-Wan Kenobi series and The Mandalorian. But I was really glad to see Lucasfilm introduce the audience to actress Natasha Liu Bordizzo, who will be playing Sabine Wren in this series. Chopper made an appearance during the panel for The Mandalorian. And evidently a clip from AHSOKA was shown during that same panel. I can't wait to see a good version of that, because the one I saw got pulled very quickly. But it seems incredibly encouraging - especially for fans of STAR WARS REBELS.
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I saw a few articles mention that this is tentatively slated for autumn, so it doesn't conflict with Disney's Haunted Mansion. So I'm wondering...who gives a **** about Haunted Mansion?
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I think we're going to get our first look at the series at Celebration. And they'll probably announce when it's going to air as well. I'm guessing this might debut before Skeleton Crew, but I'm not sure.
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Teaser trailer. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HnzNZ0Mdx4I)
Lots of eye candy in this baby!
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I agree there is a lot of eye candy. I hope they've got a great story to go with it.
I wonder if this reuses a lot of the Heir to the Empire story line. Ahsoka even uses that line "heir to the empire" in the trailer.
Who are those Sith / Dark Jedi? Is that Jorus C'baoth and Mara Jade?
There also appear to be three new big identical starships - long lost dreadnaughts?
I wonder if they swap Ahsoka for Luke in the original story line and reuse a lot of the plot points? I didn't see any Ysalamir...
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Ahsoka even uses that line "heir to the empire" in the trailer.
That line feels more like an IYKYK type easter egg to me, but I guess we will see what they do with the show.
Agree with others who have said that the trailer makes it seem like Ahsoka is actually a Rebels sequel movie with Hera, Chopper, Sabine, Lothcat, Lothal, and much more in there.
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LOVED the trailer!
It's tying things together with where we last saw Ahsoka. Whether it's "The Jedi" episode of The Mandalorian (complete with Morgan Elsbeth and her HK droids), or where Ahsoka finally resurfaced during the OT era, after her encounter with Ezra in the world between worlds, and then linking up with Sabine in the REBELS finale. Ahsoka's story around the time of the OT is inextricably linked with the Spectres. And Ahsoka owes a debt to Ezra. I can see that weighing on her.
I am really wondering if Ray Stevenson's character is actually Jorus C'baoth. Especially with the heir to the Empire line. And I loved the Thrawn tease that was in there as well.
I also didn't think I'd be so happy to see Huyang appearance in live action!
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With how the Thrawn character evolved after the original series from someone who wanted to restore the Empire to one who needed a strong military force to help the Chiss Ascendancy to face a larger threat (the Yu'zahn Vong in legacy the Grysk in the new canon), I think Ahsoka's line is what she thinks Thrawn is doing and we will later find out the larger story when they meet up with Ezra.
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SPLOOSH :o :) :D ;D
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I was rewatching the trailer, and it seems the name of the character Ray Stevenson plays is Baylan. Thank you captions! I know people have taken note of the color of his lightsaber blade being orange or almost red. Some have speculated that the kyber crystal might have been bled to a degree.
I also took note of some of the backgrounds - Filoni is taking this show to the world between worlds! And based on some of the dialogue where Baylan says "This is a new beginning", I'm wondering if he emerged from a different time period thanks to the wbw????
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I noticed Morgan Elsbeth in one of the shots. Wonder what her role will be?
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Wednesday, August 23rd was announced as the release date.
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Holy schnikes - new trailer (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_1EXWNETiI&t=16s)
Lots of potential "spoilers" in this trailer. If you want to go in stone cold don't watch it. There was at least one thing that I totally wasn't expecting.
My level of spoiler is that if they put it in the trailer its okay to know about, but I don't want to go hunting behind the scenes photos, leaks, etc. In general with the trailers for streaming content - if you see it in the trailer it'll be in the first episode or two, so I don't think anything you see here will spoil anything key later in the series.
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That trailer does not get old! And I'm looking forward to when the series drops in a big way.
Looking through the trailer, I'm pretty sure I spotted at least 2 shots that are from inside the Ghost. One is Hera in the cockpit. And the other looks like it's Sabine in the chin turret - which actually moves now!
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So much eye candy in the trailers that have dropped in the past few days. I think I even spotted a New Republic Star Hawk in one shot!
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So much eye candy in the trailers that have dropped in the past few days.
Yeah, especially this one - I don't want to name names for the spoiler averse, but it makes a lot of sense he'd be in the show if Hera, Chopper, and The Ghost are...
(https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/c_fit,f_auto,g_center,q_60,w_1315/456ab8c1e0adfe0af15f0fe6a2c35acb.jpg)
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I've been surprised to see as much promotional content with Rosario Dawson that's been coming out over the past couple of weeks. I guess the people at Disney and Lucasfilm saw the strike coming and worked with Rosario to record a lot of promos and conduct a number of interviews well before the SAG strike. I was just listening to the second part of an interview with her on EW's Star Wars podcast, Dagobah Dispatch (good listen, BTW).
I'm a little surprised though, that with all of the video spots that have been dropping there is only one trailer available on the Disney+ platform right now.
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I've been lagging behind with my REBELS re-watch. But I just finished the episode in season 2 with the Purgil. And I'm starting to feel like I have an idea where some of the story of AHSOKA might go. I don't think it's a coincidence that Grogu saw the Purgill as he and Din Djarin were travelling through hyperspace in Mando season 3. And I think I saw a shot in one of the AHSOKA promos with a Purgil in it. Tie that all together with the search for Ezra? And I think this is going to be really interesting!
Now to try finishing my REBELS re-watch in less than 3 days! Because evidently Dave Filoni is saying that REBELS season 4 is pretty important in the context of AHSOKA.
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Keep going Nick, it just gets better and better! I had never watched all of the last season so I finally caught up on those last week and WOW. I am even more excited for Ahsoka now!
I’m glad people are rediscovering that show now because there was some great stuff in there. And great characters as well. Live action Chopper is going to be super popular I predict. :)
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I saw the series when it first ran. And this is probably my 3rd or 4th rewatch of the show. I’m pretty well versed in it, but I feel like I always pick up something new with every viewing.
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It looks like the premier has changed to tonight at 9PM ET / 6PM PT.
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I'll save the spoilers for now, but I will say two thumbs up from me for each episode.
My daughter and I watched the Rebels finale at 7pm CT, then made some popcorn and watched Ahsoka at 8pm. Amazing how the Rebels finale flowed right into Ahsoka. Really glad I took the time these past few weeks to do a Rebels rewatch.
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My daughter and I watched the first two episodes too. Very solid beginning.
The writing and story all held together very well. Hopefully it stays that way.
Not sure why The Mandalorian season 3 and BoBF have been so all over the place, but this seems coherent so far.
I still need to go back and rewatch some more of Rebels and refresh my memory. I watched a couple of the episodes with Ahsoka, but need to watch more.
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Wow. What a love letter to Rebels fans! All the stuff on Lothal was excellent, loved seeing Clancy reprise his role as Ryder Azadi, loved the Loth cats, the tower, all the little details were just spot on.
Have to say, as great as all the actors were, I still think MEW was not a great fit for Hera. Natasha did a great job mastering Sabine I thought, David Tennant reprising his role as Huyang was perfect and you knew Chopper would be awesome. I think it helped a lot having Dave there to guide those interpretations. Just not sold on Mary yet. Maybe I just need more time to warm up to her.
Everything looks very promising overall so excited to see where it all goes!
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I only watched the first episode last night. Great stuff so far! And Clancy Brown reprising his role as Ryder Azadi? Yes, please!!!!
It was also good to see some familiar designs - the speeder bike from REBELS, the E-Wings, and the Eta class shuttle.
And does anyone else now want an army builder pack of HK-87 droids????
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And does anyone else now want an army builder pack of HK-87 droids????
They do have the TVC single carded figure coming and we all know how much Hasbro loves double dipping. I could totally see them doing an HK 4-pack with 2x droids with a blaster and 2x droids with the staff.
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And does anyone else now want an army builder pack of HK-87 droids????
YES!
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I want that Inquisitor!
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Overall I liked the first two episodes. Clancy Brown was great and they nailed the look of Lothal.
Bit of a nitpick for me is that the acting from all the leads seemed a bit monotone to me. There were a couple of times where I think an interaction between Sabine and Ahsoka could've been drastically improved if Rosario just gave a half-smile or something. I hope this changes as we progress through the story.
I'm very intrigued by the plot and am excited to see where all this goes. I also like the end credits imagery and am trying to decipher its meaning.
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And does anyone else now want an army builder pack of HK-87 droids????
My immediate thought watching that scene was that the Hasbro execs were drooling over being able to get 4 or 5 droids out of one sculpt. It might be 18 months, but that's definitely happening.
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On a second watching with my daughter, she noticed a purgl flying above the clouds when Baylan is looking up (when he first arrives on the planet, before the map scene).
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I thought I heard what might have been a Purgil, and that made Baylan look up.
As for the tone between Ahsoka and Sabine? It’s definitely icy. But I think it’s got a lot to do with why Ahsoka walked away from Sabine, and ended her training. I think we’ll get more insight into why that happened, and things will warm up between the two of them.
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Evidently there are a number of theories circulating about Marrok. Ahsoka faced off against him on Correllia, and he appears to be an agent of Baylan Skoll. I'm curious what people think about this character - Is it a character that we've seen before? Is it a previously known or unknown inquisitor? Or is this just an entirely new character?
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It appears Ahsoka is going to be released weekly on Tuesdays instead of Wednesdays, so I guess we get episode 3 tomorrow night.
The only thing that bugs me about an Inquisitor battling with Ahsoka is that I think Ashoka would make pretty quick work of any Inquisitor. Once the HK droid was gone I think the battle should have been over.
I like how it was portrayed in Tales of the Jedi where Ahsoka was unarmed, took the Inquisitor's lightsaber and beheaded him in one swipe.
Inquisitors would be tough vs. a Jedi Knight when in groups and with piles of Stormtroopers, etc. helping them, but a Jedi Knight should be able to dominate 1:1.
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Evidently there are a number of theories circulating about Marrok. Ahsoka faced off against him on Correllia, and he appears to be an agent of Baylan Skoll. I'm curious what people think about this character - Is it a character that we've seen before? Is it a previously known or unknown inquisitor? Or is this just an entirely new character?
Not sure if this would make any sense, but I was wondering if it might be Cal Kestis. We've seen BD-1 in the Mandalorian, and the latest Jedi Survivor game definitely introduces a bit of darkness to Cal towards the end.
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Knew this was going to be a short episode so was not disappointed about that, but it did end on kind of a quiet note.
The Purgil were cool I thought, interesting that they showed up like that. I liked the little snub fighters too.
Kaz’ dad is a huge jackass, super bummed to learn he was not on Hosnian Prime when it was destroyed.
I like the growing animosity between Shin and Morgan.
Still not sure what to make of Ahsoka training Sabine. Why isn’t she training Jacen? Why does Jacen look weird? :D
Why didn’t Hera just take the Ghost to help them after the Republic declined? I feel like animated Hera would have been all over that, but clearly this is not the Hera that we knew from Rebels.
Wonder how much longer they will wait to reveal Thrawn?
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Knew this was going to be a short episode so was not disappointed about that, but it did end on kind of a quiet note.
I'm a little concerned about the pace of the show and the fact that there are only 8 episodes. It appears there is no second season guaranteed and the viewership numbers so far haven't been all that great.
We're almost halfway through the season and we've barely got in to the plot. Is Morgan the main antagonist? Is it Baylan? Is it going to be Thrawn? I think there are too many characters.
Overall I like the show and the plot is holding together well, but some things like Sabine's decision to get trained, and now her training have been a bit drawn out. I almost wonder if Filoni is making this "the Sabine growth show" and she'll get pulled back in to some The Mandalorian spin-off that is just Mandalorians with Bo-Katan. If this were a 12+ series I wouldn't be too worried, but I'm not sure how we're going to build things up and resolve them well in five more episodes.
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I don’t think it’s a coincidence that the planet where the hyperdrive ring is being constructed has the Purgil nearby. The Purgil were a central part of Thrawn and Ezra’s disappearance. And now Huyang has said something to the effect that the Purgil might be key to intergalactic hyperspace routes.
Nice spot on the one Senator. I didn’t realize until you mentioned that this is Kaz Xiono’s father. As for the fighters? They reminded me quite a bit of the Fireball.
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This episode was okay, but whoever comes up with the storyboarding is horrible. Why would one continue to fly directly into the path of a barrage of laser fire? Why wouldn't one try to find a weakness in their range? Hera did it in episode 2 and Sabine did it in this episode. Also, bad guys, why would you aim at Ahsoka when you could just blow up the ship she's standing on? And I'm pretty sure they used the same effects shot at least twice when they were firing on Ahsoka's ship. Perhaps it was a nod to the original Battlestar Galactica?
Sorry, these things took me out of the story a bit.
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Man, I love this show. That is all I have to say until we wanna talk spoilers...
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That was a good one!
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Awesome and intense episode! But that ending…
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OMG. Ray Stevenson was just fantastic!
That is all for now.
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Wow.
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I’m sorry, but Sabine is a ******* moron. ::)
YOU HAD ONE JOB! Prevent another all out Galactic War by shooting a stupid map. Millions of lives hanging in the balance. But no, do the stupid selfish thing. And right after seeing what went down with Ahsoka, who literally just lectured her about this exact thing ten minutes earlier. She essentially murdered those two X-Wing pilots too.
I guess that will be the highlight of the Ghost on this show too…hey, it almost got blown up! Go buy our HasLab! :D
Always nice to see Carson “Oppa” Teva though. I guess this was after his offworld meeting with Din?
Weird that the last 4 episodes are pretty much all gonna be The World Between Worlds and Peridia. Because I can’t think of a single reason why they would waste any more screen time on Hera and whatever is going on in that galaxy. There’s literally nothing she can do to help at this point, so thanks for showing up, I guess?
Gotta say, this feels nothing like Rebels to me. Which is strange considering how much Filoni is involved.
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I’m sorry, but Sabine is a ******* moron. ::)
I was trying to figure out if Baylan was doing some kind of Jedi/Sith mind trick on her in that scene?
Always nice to see Carson “Oppa” Teva though.
After multiple appearances on TM and now Ahsoka, I would not be opposed to a full "New Republic X-Wing" repaint with pack-in carded Carson Teva. (look at me just throwing $120 away like that).
I am also fully on board with them revamping the "Rangers of the New Republic" show idea with Carson/Hera/Chopper/Ghost/Phoenix Squadron in place of Cara Dune. The Ghost and a few X-Wing pilots tracking down Imperial Remnants and Pirates sounds like a good time to me! Especially if that "Rogue Squadron" movie is dead now too...
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Prevent another all-out Galactic War by shooting a stupid map.
I'm wondering if a blaster would even destroy that map seeing as it took Baylan's lightsaber several seconds to do it.
Serious question, though, why didn't Ahsoka fight Marrock and Baylan with two lightsabers instead of one? Did one get damaged in the initial fight?
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Prevent another all-out Galactic War by shooting a stupid map.
I'm wondering if a blaster would even destroy that map seeing as it took Baylan's lightsaber several seconds to do it.
Serious question, though, why didn't Ahsoka fight Marrock and Baylan with two lightsabers instead of one? Did one get damaged in the initial fight?
Those are two good points! She should have at least tried though. I was wondering about the other lightsaber too. Will have to rewatch that scene again…
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Guess we can stop al the theories on who Marrok was.
Calling Sabine a moron is unfair. For years (sometime pre-Rogue One and now 5 or so years post Endor) and her main goal has been finding Ezra. He is counting on her. She could not destroy the map. I just want to know what happened to her Jet pack???
Also sounds like Sabine's family was killed in the night of a thousand tears so I guess we won't be seeing clan Wren in the Mandalorian unless Sabine shows up.
Awesome to see Carson Teva...why couldn't Rangers of the New Republic follow him and the other pilots at that outpost?
The fights were really fun to watch...but that last scene was jaw-dropping.
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Sabine has been conflicted and different throughout the series, and now we know why. She lost EVERYONE. All of her family was lost on Mandalore. That's why she put away her armor. That's why she's been distant. Baylan saw that and used it to manipulate her. Her desire for family and that connection to Ezra proved too strong for her to resist.
I'm pretty sure that I saw Shin using the Force in some way to physically manipulate Sabine before she handed the map to Baylan. As for Marrok? I've heard it theorized that he was the product of Nightsister Magic, much like Mother Talzin's army of the dead that fought against Grievous's forces in The Clone Wars.
Glad to finally see the Ghost in action, as well as Carson Teva!
As for that ending? Whoa...
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I saw Sabine make the emotional selfish decision like people do all the time. "Moron" is not even sort of the correct word.
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The problem is that literally millions of people’s lives will be lost once they fetch Thrawn. The whole point of Ezra’s sacrifice in the first place was to get rid of Thrawn. Handing his allies the means to rescue him negates everything Ezra set out to do. Oh and also Ahsoka too. When you look at it from that perspective it seems like one of the most insanely idiotic decisions ever. I say that as a longtime Sabine stanner too, she was never one to put her own feelings before the mission.
They could have easily written their way around that by just having her show up late, or have him snatch it away using the Force or something. The way they did it just makes her seem weak and stupid though. IMHO
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But clearly they wanted it to be a conscious decision by her. It's like the end of "The Last of Us". I just think you're trying to fit her decision into how you want to keep thinking about her character (and that always triggers me since it's a huge part of the group that hates Disney Star Wars reason for hating Disney Star Wars). Her life is a lot different than when "Rebels" was happening. I'm going to let the next four episodes happen before I judge her choice too much.
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When i saw Teva i just kept wondering when Hasbro would immortalize him in plastic. (TVC scale please.)
Anyone get the feeling one of the good guys is going to die in this series? I thought it was a particular character. Then another had what seemed like a throw-away line. But it nagged at me. That line felt like a foreshadowing, making all feelings about the other character dying a misdirection.
I guess my mind is overthinking.
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The whole point of Ezra’s sacrifice in the first place was to get rid of Thrawn. Handing his allies the means to rescue him negates everything Ezra set out to do. Oh and also Ahsoka too. When you look at it from that perspective it seems like one of the most insanely idiotic decisions ever.
But clearly they wanted it to be a conscious decision by her. .... Her life is a lot different than when "Rebels" was happening.
Sabine has been conflicted and different throughout the series, and now we know why. She lost EVERYONE. All of her family was lost on Mandalore. That's why she put away her armor. That's why she's been distant. Baylan saw that and used it to manipulate her. Her desire for family and that connection to Ezra proved too strong for her to resist.
I think it goes back to what the Nicks said. Sabine lost everything in the Night of Thousand Tears and now that Ezra is the only family she has left, she isn't willing to sacrifice him. I hope they expand on her loss a bit more than what they did in later episodes, because I felt it was a little glossed over.
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The problem is that literally millions of people’s lives will be lost once they fetch Thrawn.
I guess we'll see how it plays out, but I guess its kind of stupid that Thrawn is so powerful and Thrawn can do anything except for spring himself from jail. Sure there's an ancient map, that was probably made by witches... whatever
Also, I expected a way better commercial for the haslab Ghost than this.
and.. weren't the yuuzhan vong from another galaxy? I don't know as I never read those books and don't need that story line. I tend to care less when SW shifts to "oh no, that bad alien race is attacking the galaxy".
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I think it goes back to what the Nicks said. Sabine lost everything in the Night of Thousand Tears and now that Ezra is the only family she has left, she isn't willing to sacrifice him. I hope they expand on her loss a bit more than what they did in later episodes, because I felt it was a little glossed over.
I totally agree. The writers have not done a great job of portraying this attachment to Ezra. A casual fan would have a hard time picking this up, and even a hardcore fan like myself having watched every episode of Rebels multiple times didn't carry forward enough of a feeling of attachment between Ezra and Sabine. Ezra seemed to have more of an attachment than Sabine did.
Maybe they needed some flashbacks or some other storytelling trick to tie this all together better. There was a lot more time spent on the Sabine/Ahsoka dynamic and very little on the Sabine/Ezra dynamic.
I too am willing to roll with it and see where the story goes. Maybe Sabine feels she can single handedly rescue Ezra and leave Thrawn stuck across the galaxy, but so far her skills vs. the Dark Jedi seem to indicate she will have limited success on her own, and Ezra's skills aren't likely enough to beat the Dark Jedi either.
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I don't think it was glossed over. I think it's more of a case of trying to see Sabine as she is now. She blew off the ceremony and Ryder Azadi - I couldn't see the Sabine at the end of REBELS season 4 doing that. She's living alone with a Loth cat, and viewing Ezra's hologram message with a sense of longing. She put away her armor. Her training with Ahsoka ended, and it's unclear as to why. The storytelling has been subtly placing these things in front of us, but without beating us over the head with it. It was Sabine's encounter with Baylan that crystallized this for the audience.
I also think Sabine knows that she has put herself in danger, despite Baylan's assurances. Shin is not a fan. Sabine is put in binders. Does she have faith in Ezra? Ezra was instrumental to defeating Thrawn at the Battle of Lothal.
The title of this week's episode "Fallen Jedi" seems like it's potentially doing some heavy lifting. Does it refer to Baylan? What about Sabine, with her fateful decision? And of course there's what happened to Ahsoka. That ending was profound! Ahsoka finds herself in the WBW again. And while I'm not surprised that she encountered her former master, it absolutely raises questions. Is this where a Jedi's spirit goes when they become One with the Force?
I think next week will be incredibly enlightening. Dave Filoni is the director for episode 5 of this season, and he has a pattern of taking on directing specific episodes that will be pivotal over the course of a season. He directed the episode of The Mandalorian where Ahsoka came to live action. He directed the episode of The Book of Boba Fett that heavily featured Cobb Vanth and introduced Cad Bane to live action. And I suspect that this next episode will be the one where another character that has been a big part of Dave Filoni's history will finally appear. As for the plot? There seems to be a lot in front of all of the characters - Sabine is in jeopardy; Morgan Elsbeth is on her quest to Peridia; Hera's squadron was nearly decimated; and Ahsoka is "elsewhere". I think Jacen Syndulla's line of "Mom, I have a bad feeling" functioned on multiple levels about the level of jeopardy, as well as with Jacen's potential with the Force.
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Preach Nick!
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I think it goes back to what the Nicks said. Sabine lost everything in the Night of Thousand Tears and now that Ezra is the only family she has left, she isn't willing to sacrifice him. I hope they expand on her loss a bit more than what they did in later episodes, because I felt it was a little glossed over.
I totally agree. The writers have not done a great job of portraying this attachment to Ezra. A casual fan would have a hard time picking this up, and even a hardcore fan like myself having watched every episode of Rebels multiple times didn't carry forward enough of a feeling of attachment between Ezra and Sabine. Ezra seemed to have more of an attachment than Sabine did.
Maybe they needed some flashbacks or some other storytelling trick to tie this all together better. There was a lot more time spent on the Sabine/Ahsoka dynamic and very little on the Sabine/Ezra dynamic.
1000% YES. The sudden proliferation of Sabezra shippers online points to a fundamental lack of understanding of that relationship. She was never particularly attached to him on the show, no more than Zeb so why would she suddenly be in love with him now?
I do think it has more to do with having lost her own brother like you guys were saying, but I also think they could have done a much better job establishing that through flashbacks or some kind of incidental narrative. It’s probably a lot less confusing if you never watched Rebels at least in that regard.
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I didn't take it as romantic love. More in relation to Ezra's speech at end of "Rebels" and what he says to Sabine.
I have heard some people upset that it's hard to follow the show because they didn't watch "Rebels". I'm trying not to watch it expecting it to fully follow "Rebels". In "Ahsoka" I know Sabine feels very strongly about Ezra. To the point she is risking a lot of people's lives. I don't necessarily need the details of why. Again, especially with 50% of the season left. Maybe those flashbacks are still to come for a reason. It's like Rotten Tomatoes certifying the show "fresh" or not because critics saw two episodes.
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weren't the yuuzhan vong from another galaxy? I don't know as I never read those books and don't need that story line. I tend to care less when SW shifts to "oh no, that bad alien race is attacking the galaxy".
Yes, the Yuuzhan Vong were from another galaxy. Before them in the original Marvel Comics there was a threat from outside the galaxy called the Nagai. In Ahsoka, the temple on Seatoss are from an ancient people from outside the galaxy which I think the show is alluding is where the Nightsisters of Dathomir are originally from. It could explain how they use the force so differently.
I'm still not 100% sure that's Anakin's Force Ghost. It's not all blue and glowy...I'm really not sure what's going on in the world between worlds as of yet. I have a feeling Ahsoka is going to use it as a way to transport to Peridia. I don't think Hera would be able to get there in the Ghost...even if she's able to get the coordinates.
Unless they are able to use the Purgill somehow like Ezra did.
Damn...is it Tuesday yet?
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I am still trying to process what I saw last night. It definitely exceeded my expectations.
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It definitely exceeded my expectations.
Ditto. I see some people complaining that "the Anakin stuff didn't advance the plot" or "it was just Clone Wars fan service" - yeah, maybe, but it was awesome so who cares?
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I have a lot of questions about what happened in the World between Worlds. No real complaints about it....just lots of questions.
Glad to see Ahsoka is wearing her Rebels Epilogue outfit. I hope that's the next Ahsoka figure we get.
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I have a lot of questions about what happened in the World between Worlds. No real complaints about it....just lots of questions.
Yeah, I'm going to have to do some research on that... more as to why is Anakin running around there? Are people just stuck in the WBW, or is that where Force Ghosts go when they're not summoned?
Glad to see Ahsoka is wearing her Rebels Epilogue outfit. I hope that's the next Ahsoka figure we get.
I didn't realize that was the outfit (I haven't seen Rebels in a while). I just thought it was akin to Gandalf the Gray becoming Gandalf the White *shrugs*
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It definitely exceeded my expectations.
Ditto. I see some people complaining that "the Anakin stuff didn't advance the plot" or "it was just Clone Wars fan service" - yeah, maybe, but it was awesome so who cares?
For real? It absolutely advanced Ahsoka's character. She has lived with the knowledge of what Anakin became ever since that episode of REBELS when she sensed him flying the TIE Fighter that was attacking the Rebel fleet. Ahsoka faced Vader on Malachor and nearly died in the process, but did not get closure. And that closure was something that she needed. She was just as blocked as Sabine because of her regrets over her past with Anakin - the destruction, abandoning him, and his fall. Baylan spelled that all out and used her guilt over her ties to Anakin against her. Ahsoka even delved into the dark side during that duel when she used the Force against Shin. Ahsoka needed to redeem Anakin as well herself from the legacy of the destruction that the Clone Wars caused. Her encounter with Anakin's Force spirit in the WBW was that transitional moment for her. And now I know why Filoni held back Ahsoka's new all white look until after this encounter.
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Those Clone Wars scenes were pretty sweet. I was hoping for an interaction with Captain Rex, but even though we didn't get it the battle scenes were pretty sweet.
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I just saw those scenes and thought Hasbro can rehash those figures with an "Ahsoka" card now. It's not a complaint, either. It was cool to see a live-action Clone Wars Anakin and young Ahsoka.
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I don't know if it's head canon or head up their ass. People should accept these different series all have varying styles and they might not like everyone. Say their piece and give everyone else some peace and not clutter up the internet with their excessive kvetching. (Looking at you youtubers and your click rage content.)
I wasn't a fan of the WBW, and I had to brace myself for its use in the show. Maybe i'm just becoming a softie :P but last night's episode worked for me. I liked it.
Live-action Snips has some moves. Was that the actress, a stunt double, or CGI? Those were some nice acrobatics and the light saber motion was fluid. Definitely would like her as an action figure. According to the 'net, Greenblatt is about 5'2", so i'm not sure plopping a new head on the older figure would work. (But mainly those torso and shoulders on the fig look off to begin with.)
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I didn't take it as romantic love. More in relation to Ezra's speech at end of "Rebels" and what he says to Sabine.
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Yes.
and I would add that Ezra and Sabine trust each other enough at the end of Rebels that he can count on her to distract Hera while he goes off to save everyone. Plus she has that weight of being the person who consciously let him go. I would say that is key to understanding their relationship.
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No complaints here, I’ll lap up some Clone Wars fan service all day long. Captain Rex and Maul Mandos? Please and thank you.
Wonder why Hera didn’t go too? Plenty of room in that mouth, lol.
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No complaints here, I’ll lap up some Clone Wars fan service all day long. Captain Rex and Maul Mandos? Please and thank you.
Wonder why Hera didn’t go too? Plenty of room in that mouth, lol.
Ezra managed to pull the Imperial fleet along with the Purrgil during the Battle of Lothal when they were just next to each other.
Maybe it'll be a surprise start to next week's episode that The Ghost and the three New Republic cruisers will get pulled along, but I kinda expected they would show that all of the ships would go with the Purrgil.
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I thought that episode was grade A stuff last night. I don't have a ton to say about it... but I thought it was one of the stronger episodes of anything outside of Andor and parts of Mando.
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No complaints here, I’ll lap up some Clone Wars fan service all day long. Captain Rex and Maul Mandos? Please and thank you.
Wonder why Hera didn’t go too? Plenty of room in that mouth, lol.
Ezra managed to pull the Imperial fleet along with the Purrgil during the Battle of Lothal when they were just next to each other.
Maybe it'll be a surprise start to next week's episode that The Ghost and the three New Republic cruisers will get pulled along, but I kinda expected they would show that all of the ships would go with the Purrgil.
I was surprised that Ahsoka would only bring Huyang with her to find Sabine and Ezra. But after her enlightenment? And her training? Ahsoka seems to be more than she was at the beginning of the series.
As for the Battle of Lothal? I remember that the Purrgil actually attached themselves to the Star Destroyers before they made the jump to hyperspace. Their tentacles were literally holding Thrawn and the Chimaera as they jumped.
By the way, did anyone catch this bit of dialogue?
AHSOKA "I will not fight you"
ANAKIN "I've heard that before"
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Another home run tonight.
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Another home run tonight.
My daughter grumbled that it was a bit slow. I agree that there wasn't much action, but the plot got moved forward which she doesn't always appreciate.
There are only two episodes to go and tons of potential ways they might wrap this up or just end it. Thoughts on what happens?
My speculation is that Thrawn and everyone ends up back in the "normal" galaxy and Thrawn becomes a baddie for everyone to deal with in The Mandalorian, Ahsoka, and any other off-shoots they do (Rangers, etc.). I don't think he is killed/captured, but escapes. Although based on the actor Ray Stevenson's death I'm going to assume they've written in a death scene for him. I'm assuming that Baylan dies and Shin lives and stays with Thrawn so we can have lightsaber battles. Either that or the Nightsisters keep creating Inquisitor type foes.
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Another home run tonight.
So many action figure options... the troopers, the rock-dudes, the mount, the bandits, the women (trying not to spoiler). I look forward to getting some of them in Fall 2025. ::)
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Yeah, that was kinda the big payoff episode for sure and they did a good job with it. Agree with Jeff that there was tons of awesome toy potential there. I think of 10-12 figures they could do easily just off the top of my head.
I’ll hold off on going into details for now too, but one thing I really liked is how they explained why it was not possible for Ezra to return using the Purgill again. Well written stuff.
Should people in another galaxy even know what a Jedi is? ???
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My daughter grumbled that it was a bit slow. I agree that there wasn't much action, but the plot got moved forward which she doesn't always appreciate.
I've been dreaming of seeing Grand Admiral Thrawn in a movie (or TV now) since I read Heir to the Empire in 1993. I could totally see kids without 30 years of imagining this moment finding it less exciting than I did. :)
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Speculation on what is in the cases that Thrawn's team was loading in to the Star Destroyer? I'm not sure they'll do ysalamiri in this version of the story, but that is my only guess at this point.
Thrawn was really dismissive of Baylan and Shin, and any role they may play going forward, so I'm not sure what he thinks of Jedi.
I'm also unsure what to think of the fact that Ezra seemed to be living so close to all the action. He didn't seem to be hiding all that well, and it doesn't seem like Thrawn to just let him be and not hunt him down. I'll be also interested in how they might explain how Ezra survived on the Star Destroyer during their hyperspace flight and then managed to leave the Star Destroyer when they arrived. Maybe Ezra and Thrawn reached some kind of agreement, or Thrawn didn't want to kill him as he might be their only way back with the Purrgil?
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Thrawn, Night Sisters, Ezra, Koopa troopers. I liked it!
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That episode had a lot to think about. A guy on youtube speculated that some of those troopers were dead and brought back to animation by Elsbeth.
So many toy possibilities including the howler. We'll never get a majority of them but i can dream.
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ill be also interested in how they might explain how Ezra survived on the Star Destroyer during their hyperspace flight and then managed to leave the Star Destroyer when they arrived. Maybe Ezra and Thrawn reached some kind of agreement, or Thrawn didn't want to kill him as he might be their only way back with the Purrgil?
I’m wondering if they will flash back to explain that as well. I mean, the Purrgil had literally broken through all the windows on the bridge, and I’m no physics major but I’m pretty sure you can’t go through hyperspace Al Fresco :D
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I hope they don't show us. With two episodes left I'd rather just assume it makes sense.
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I’m wondering if they will flash back to explain that as well. I mean, the Purrgil had literally broken through all the windows on the bridge, and I’m no physics major but I’m pretty sure you can’t go through hyperspace Al Fresco :D
I just figured there were emergency shields that keep the atmosphere from venting.
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I’m wondering if they will flash back to explain that as well. I mean, the Purrgil had literally broken through all the windows on the bridge, and I’m no physics major but I’m pretty sure you can’t go through hyperspace Al Fresco :D
I just figured there were emergency shields that keep the atmosphere from venting.
Same! It's best not to invoke physics when it comes to Star Wars.
Thrawn sure can make a hell of an entrance! And not a bad parking job by the Chimaera, either.
The Night Sisters seemed like a beautiful blend of what we had seen before with Mother Talzin on Dathomir, while drawing on the archetype of three witches - the Stygian witches and the Three witches in MacBeth come to mind. And their abhorrence of the Jedi seems like something that we should definitely pay attention to.
Baylan Skoll seems to be acting much more in his own interests now rather than as an agent of Thrawn or Morgan Elsbeth. It seems clear that he needed a ride, because he has been in search of something grander. I suspect that's going to bring him into conflict with the Night Sisters.
The Howler was hilarious! And it was great to see a creature with that kind of personality executed so well. As for the reunion? It seemed almost pre-destined. And I suspect that the next conversation between Sabine and Ezra will not go as well. But I was definitely struck by how much an older Ezra looks like his father.
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But I was definitely struck by how much an older Ezra looks like his father.
My daughter asked why he looks like Jesus. :P
Definitely seemed like he was a hippie living in a turtle shell camper on the side of the road.
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I’m wondering if they will flash back to explain that as well. I mean, the Purrgil had literally broken through all the windows on the bridge, and I’m no physics major but I’m pretty sure you can’t go through hyperspace Al Fresco :D
I just figured there were emergency shields that keep the atmosphere from venting.
This works for me 👍 :)
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First off, what an incredibel couple of weeks for the show. I've LOVED everything we've gotten the last few episode, primarily for the story, but also for the toy possibilities.
Speculation on what is in the cases that Thrawn's team was loading in to the Star Destroyer? I'm not sure they'll do ysalamiri in this version of the story, but that is my only guess at this point.
I wouldn't rule Ysalamiri out just yet... Given Sabine's lack of Force sensitivity, they could set up a really cool redemption cool arc where Sabine (and her very non-Jedi, Mandalorian skillset) has to come back to rescue Ahsoka or other Force Adepts and gets the chance to redeem herself.
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But I was definitely struck by how much an older Ezra looks like his father.
My daughter asked why he looks like Jesus. :P
Definitely seemed like he was a hippie living in a turtle shell camper on the side of the road.
I saw someone reference what looks like chainmail that Ezra was wearing.
A closer look revealed that it was composed of the dogtags of Stormtroopers. Ezra has clearly been.... busy!
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I’ve been rewatching the previous episode on Monday nights, which is typically never do but I feel like it’s a lot to soak in all at once. So much toy candy in that last Ep too.
Random thoughts:
I love love love that they are using Lars as Thrawn but if I’m being honest he sort of cuts an unimposing physical presence. Paunchy, a little slouched, maybe he just let himself go in exile lol because it’s hard to imagine him going toe to toe with that training droid on Rebels. The voice is sooo perfect though.
The 3 witches were creepy AF and exactly what I would have expected a Night Sister to look like. Kudos Dave Filoni. Funny though how with all their foresight they couldn’t conjure up the stolen battle plans, er..Ezra’s location. :D
The Nomads were all super cool and we’ll be lucky to get one of them. :-\
What “greater power” could Baylan be seeing to awaken? If Yuuzhan beat ‘em, join em? Am I Vong here? ;)
Still unclear on what is in those crates and if Thrawn is making payment why are they loading those crates ONTO his ship? And what’s in the Catacombs? ???
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It's so dumb and 100% fan pandering but when THAT guy showed up in the first 5 minutes to help Hera, I was giddy like a little schoolboy.
Really can't wait to see a) how they wrap all this up, b) whether or not we get a season 2, and c) how this will all play into more Mandalorian-Verse shows/stories.
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I hope that last episode is gonna be three hours long cause they got a lot of ‘splainin’ to do! ;D
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It's so dumb and 100% fan pandering but when THAT guy showed up in the first 5 minutes to help Hera, I was giddy like a little schoolboy.
What do we think… was that supposed to be Ackbar in the hearing room? I’ve been thinking about snagging an extra for the Ahsoka shelf.
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Yeah, I'm pretty sure that was meant to be Ackbar. They didn't have him speak for real world reasons. I would actually be ok with them recasting him, if they can find someone to do his voice. It would be nice to have Ackbar as a returning character and a connection to the OT.
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I felt pretty confident that was Admiral Ackbar sitting on the tribunal. And if there had been something relevant for him to add it would have been nice to hear him as part of the scene.
I shudder to include references to the RESISTANCE animated series here, but it is interesting to see how there have been entanglements between Leia and Senator Xiono going on for years. Kaz's dad has been a bit of a prick for some time, it would seem. And Leia's intervention, albeit through Threepio, sets the stage for her eventually forming the Resistance.
Regarding Mon Mothma though. I love what Genevieve O'Reilly has done with the character - Mon Mothma has been developed infinitely more than during her brief monologue in ROTJ. But there's something about her look in this series that irks me a little bit. The costume / hair designers on ROGUE ONE made an effort to make her look much more like Caroline Blakiston, who played Mon in ROTJ. But that seems to have been abandoned in AHSOKA. It would have been good to see that kind of continuity continue into this series, and let her earlier appearance in ANDOR stand on its own as she appeared during that time. But that's me nitpicking.
Seeing Ahsoka face off against Baylan again was great! And in large part because her fighting style changed so dramatically between the two duels. I thought it was really noteworthy how Ahsoka had only use the one lightsaber against Baylan in their first encounter. But in this latest episode Ahsoka was much more herself, using the two lightsabers. And she very wisely didn't overcommit during this fight. She knew what she had to do, and she effectively took Baylan off the field so that she could get away to help Sabine and Ezra.
I am curious about what is to become of Baylan. Thrawn took great notice of how Baylan was absent from the field as his Night Troopers and Shin took on Sabine, Ezra and the Noti. And I suspect that Thrawn will take what he sees as appropriate action against Baylan.
As for the Night Troopers? I know there had been some speculation that they might be like some kind of army of the dead. But after seeing them get dispatched? It seemed nothing like what happened to Marrok when he was struck down on Seatos. I think their armor has just been mended and banded together in an effort to keep it serviceable.
The mystery remains about what is in those caskets that are being loaded on the Chimaera. Dead Night Sisters? Ysalamiri? Or something more sinister?
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The mystery remains about what is in those caskets that are being loaded on the Chimaera. Dead Night Sisters? Ysalamiri? Or something more sinister?
At first I thought it was Ysalamiri, but why would they need hundreds of crates of them when there are only a handful of Jedi?
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The mystery remains about what is in those caskets that are being loaded on the Chimaera. Dead Night Sisters? Ysalamiri? Or something more sinister?
At first I thought it was Ysalamiri, but why would they need hundreds of crates of them when there are only a handful of Jedi?
The primary use of the ysalamiri in the books was to allow extremely fast Clone growth. Apparently the Force warped their minds if grown too fast. Battling Luke and C'Baoth was just a fringe benefit.
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Which books? In Heir to the Empire the ysalimiri evolved to negate the Force around them to hide from the vorksnyrs who used the Force to hunt. Thrawn used them as protection against Joruus C'Baoth and Luke Skywalker.
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Which books? In Heir to the Empire the ysalimiri evolved to negate the Force around them to hide from the vorksnyrs who used the Force to hunt. Thrawn used them as protection against Joruus C'Baoth and Luke Skywalker.
Yeah, I am referring to the Heir to the Empire Trilogy. Thrawn's master plan is to grow a Clone Army, and once he finds Wayland's location with its cloning facility he starts harvesting ysalimiri. He didn't know he would find C'baoth there, but had contingency plans if he ever discovered a Dark Jedi to team up with.
And I don't think he ever worried enough about Luke as the last Jedi to make a formal plan against him. The ysalamiri he carried around on Fleet ships were protection for the crew from crazy C'baoth as he learned to coordinate individual Imperial minds.
(In the end, I don't think the crates on Ahsoka have ysalamiri in them...that would have needed set up or referenced by Ezra in some way to work...)
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Well that was an interesting episode tonight! Really wish this season wasn’t only 8 episodes though…
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I think the "crates" are more likely to be caskets. And that's because the place they were taken from was referred to as catacombs by Thrawn. That's a ritual burial place.
I'm going to watch the episode again before offering more.
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I think the "crates" are more likely to be caskets. And that's because the place they were taken from was referred to as catacombs by Thrawn. That's a ritual burial place.
I was kind of thinking the same thing after the zombie troopers respawned. Maybe these are some kind of super-zombies that will be reanimated by the night sisters.
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I think the "crates" are more likely to be caskets. And that's because the place they were taken from was referred to as catacombs by Thrawn. That's a ritual burial place.
I was kind of thinking the same thing after the zombie troopers respawned. Maybe these are some kind of super-zombies that will be reanimated by the night sisters.
Yeah, between generations of dead witches and deceased crew of the Chimaera there would be a lot of bodies to reanimate. I'm guessing not all of the crew had survived to this point in the timeline.
I had to look up troop size of a star destroyer...
Imperial I-class Star Destroyers had over 37,000 crew on board— 9,235 officers and 27,850 enlisted personnel. The complement of 9,700 stormtroopers added to a total of 46,785 crew and passengers.[1] With the bridge being located in the upper half of the ship, the officer's quarters were located right below it
https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Imperial_I-class_Star_Destroyer#:~:text=Imperial%20I%2Dclass%20Star%20Destroyers,were%20located%20right%20below%20it.
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Well that was an interesting episode tonight! Really wish this season wasn’t only 8 episodes though…
I agree with this sentiment. I felt that there wasn't much fear for Thrawn to die since he essentially just showed up in the series and is a main baddie. With the way the Star Wars live action shows have been doing cross-overs, I feel Thrawn's plot will be resolved in an Endgame kind of way (isn't there a movie to come out?).
Maybe there needed to be one more episode... at least to flesh out what Baylan and Shin were doing instead of a quick montage of all the key players in the series at the end. I was disappointed in their brief screentime because I enjoyed Baylan's story so far (and I'm not sure if we'll ever know the end of it now that Ray's passed) and was curious to see where Shin's path lies (is it still with Thrawn as Baylan suggested, even though she was left behind?). I'm looking forward to see more of Ezra. I enjoyed his character (humor and all).
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Well that was an interesting episode tonight! Really wish this season wasn’t only 8 episodes though…
I agree with this sentiment. I felt that there wasn't much fear for Thrawn to die since he essentially just showed up in the series and is a main baddie. With the way the Star Wars live action shows have been doing cross-overs, I feel Thrawn's plot will be resolved in an Endgame kind of way (isn't there a movie to come out?).
Maybe there needed to be one more episode... at least to flesh out what Baylan and Shin were doing instead of a quick montage of all the key players in the series at the end. I was disappointed in their brief screentime because I enjoyed Baylan's story so far (and I'm not sure if we'll ever know the end of it now that Ray's passed) and was curious to see where Shin's path lies (is it still with Thrawn as Baylan suggested, even though she was left behind?). I'm looking forward to see more of Ezra. I enjoyed his character (humor and all).
Totally agree.
The Baylan/Shin stories needed more meat to them. Are we supposed to be worried about what Baylan is doing when we don't have the faintest idea what he is up to? Why does Shin's character even exist if she is just going to be stuck in the other galaxy? She could have easily have been an Inquisitor if they needed another lightsaber wielding baddy.
I think the series has been decent - not great and not bad. The Baylan part is probably the biggest head scratcher.
One other thing I was surprised that didn't transpire was getting Zeb involved. I thought he might have come along with Carson's squad and then joined up with Hera, but even Hera didn't have much of a role. Maybe it'll come in season 2 or in some other related series
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I was also perplexed by Hera's reaction to seeing Ezra again... no question about Sabine or Ahsoka's whereabouts.
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My take is that this is how they explain that we don't see or hear about Ashoka in the ST. She and Sabine are now off elsewhere to continue their storyline with Baylan and Shin along with the leftover Elsbeth forces.
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I watched the episode with my daughter last night (second watching for me) and she thought the season was way too short and/or not enough happened. An unsophisticated viewer that I couldn't agree with more.
Ultimately I mostly enjoyed the show. Some thoughts:
- I like that it had a general plot that you could follow without giant plant holes or total randomness. Some plot points (Baylan/Shin) still don't make any sense, but weren't critical to the story. BoBF and Mando season 3 were pretty messy from a plot perspective, so I was glad to see the execution on this was better. It was no Andor, but it was solid.
- I agree with my daughter that the pace was a bit slow at times and not a lot happened. I don't need non-stop action sequences, but it would have been nice to have the story move at a faster clip and/or have more episodes to tell a bigger story.
- The show was called "Ahsoka", but at times it really felt like the show didn't have much to do with her character development and spent more time on Sabine and other characters. Or at the very least I'm not sure we had an "Ahsoka" struggle/character journey that played out very well. At the beginning of the show it was Ahsoka vs. Thrawn/Morgan. Quickly we pulled in the training abandonment of Sabine as a main theme, but that theme wasn't well maintained throughout the show. They kept coming back to Ahsoka stopped the training because Sabine might use her training for the revenge of Mandalore, but they didn't really show what has changed and if Sabine had the right motivations. And at the end of the show it seemed to just be back to Ahsoka vs. Thrawn/Morgan.
I'm not sure what to think about a season 2. Do we want Ahsoka and Sabine to get back to the "real world" and Ahsoka to be a major player in this timeframe, or do we want her to be in limbo in the other galaxy? Do we think she survives to the time of the sequel trilogy but remains off the table somehow? Do we want Mando and the New Republic to take up the battle on their vs. Thrawn in the other series without Jedi help other than I guess Ezra and maybe Luke? The stories they're trying to tell in this timeframe are tough when they keep major players off the table, which is why I think a show like Andor works so well.
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Which books? In Heir to the Empire the ysalimiri evolved to negate the Force around them to hide from the vorksnyrs who used the Force to hunt. Thrawn used them as protection against Joruus C'Baoth and Luke Skywalker.
Yeah, I am referring to the Heir to the Empire Trilogy. Thrawn's master plan is to grow a Clone Army, and once he finds Wayland's location with its cloning facility he starts harvesting ysalimiri. He didn't know he would find C'baoth there, but had contingency plans if he ever discovered a Dark Jedi to team up with.
And I don't think he ever worried enough about Luke as the last Jedi to make a formal plan against him. The ysalamiri he carried around on Fleet ships were protection for the crew from crazy C'baoth as he learned to coordinate individual Imperial minds.
(In the end, I don't think the crates on Ahsoka have ysalamiri in them...that would have needed set up or referenced by Ezra in some way to work...)
Thrawn picked up the Ysalimiri because he knew (or at least had a strong suspicion) that Emperor Palpatine had left a dark side force user to protect Wayland. Thrawn used the cloning cylinders to clone his best troops so he could crew the dark fleet quickly. He made a bargin with Joruus C' Bayoth to use battle meditation to help coordinate his troops and offered up Luke Skywalker as a psooible apprentice for him.
As far as the caskets, I'm wondering if they are more night sisters. Thrawn mentioned waking up the three mothers shortly after his arrival on Peridia.
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As far as the caskets, I'm wondering if they are more night sisters. Thrawn mentioned waking up the three mothers shortly after his arrival on Peridia.
One of the final shots was of Thrawn showing up at Dathomir, so whatever plan he has probably revolves around night sisters, dark magic, etc.
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Thrawn picked up the Ysalimiri because he knew (or at least had a strong suspicion) that Emperor Palpatine had left a dark side force user to protect Wayland. Thrawn used the cloning cylinders to clone his best troops so he could crew the dark fleet quickly. He made a bargin with Joruus C' Bayoth to use battle meditation to help coordinate his troops and offered up Luke Skywalker as a psooible apprentice for him.
As far as the caskets, I'm wondering if they are more night sisters. Thrawn mentioned waking up the three mothers shortly after his arrival on Peridia.
You are not wrong. Thrawn wore a ysalamir down to Wayland to protect himself from whatever Guardian was there. He did promise to deliver Luke, Leia, and the twins as apprentices too.
Nevertheless, Thrawn's ultimate plan for the ysalamiri was to negate the Force around the cloning cylinders to allow accelerated Clone production. At the climax of The Last Command, C'Baoth kills all the ysalamiri in the Wayland Clone chamber while our heroes are in there trying to blow it up, and they are specifically attached to the cloning tanks.
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After the first 2 episodes, it was clear to me that Ahsoka was not going to be a weekly episodic story kind of show, but rather an extended single story broken up into chunks ki d of show, so I waited to give an opinion until the end of the season.
Alas, the end of the season did not wrap anything up, the Monopoly game is still I full swing even if the pieces have all been moved to other spots on the board. I was holding out hope it was in fact going somewhere, but I find it the heart of arrogance on Filoni and Lucasfilm's part to feel so assured they will have the opportunity to continue this into another season, or show, or film in the future.
In the end I wasn't very satisfied with what this season did, and will probably sit the next one out, as I did the later seasons of Clone Wars and Rebels, and all of Resistance and Bad Batch. Just not my kind of storytelling going on here unfortunately.
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I'm not thrilled with the amount of loose threads this season ended with, but the idea that we needed 10 tidy neat packages is also obnoxious to me. I'm super curious to know what ending for Thrawn people wanted? Especially when they could continue this at some point in some way. I think anything definitive with Thrawn at this point wouldn't be fair to his character.
As I'm typing this I'm remembering that Muftak and I do not agree on how storytelling needs to work.
I'll give the show a 7.5 of 10. I'm happy with that. Hope we get more. If not I'll wonder what happened to some of these characters for sure. And I'll be arrogant with Filoni and assume Ahsoka and Thrawn will get more story eventually.
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I was holding out hope it was in fact going somewhere, but I find it the heart of arrogance on Filoni and Lucasfilm's part to feel so assured they will have the opportunity to continue this into another season, or show, or film in the future.
I was kind of thinking the same thing.
I'm not sure how Disney greenlights Star Wars streaming series, but I was under the impression that there was no contract in place or any guarantee of a second season. Maybe Filoni thought he nailed it, but I think this series was just okay, and I'm probably biased towards the positive because its Star Wars. I think Filoni is best as an adviser Like Lucas was on "hero's journey" mythology and what makes Star Wars Star Wars. I'd much prefer they find real writer/director talent like Tony Gilroy to own a whole series like they did with Andor.
I know they've talked about a movie event tying this all together, but I'm not sure how interested anyone is going to be in a movie that ties together the sloppiness of Mando season 3 and Ahsoka. They're going to have to get a much stronger narrative to make that interesting.
I agree with you Nick that not everything needs to be tied up at the end of a season, but I was left a bit dissatisfied with the storytelling. Maybe I need to know a little more about Thrawn's plot with the casket/crates to feel real dread. Maybe I need to know anything about what Baylan is up to in order to care even a little. Maybe I needed a better character growth journey for Ahsoka. There was good eye candy and the plot didn't have holes in it, but there was room for improvement.
I'd probably rate this first season a 5.5 out of 10.
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I'm not thrilled with the amount of loose threads this season ended with, but the idea that we needed 10 tidy neat packages is also obnoxious to me. I'm super curious to know what ending for Thrawn people wanted? Especially when they could continue this at some point in some way. I think anything definitive with Thrawn at this point wouldn't be fair to his character.
As I'm typing this I'm remembering that Muftak and I do not agree on how storytelling needs to work.
I'll give the show a 7.5 of 10. I'm happy with that. Hope we get more. If not I'll wonder what happened to some of these characters for sure. And I'll be arrogant with Filoni and assume Ahsoka and Thrawn will get more story eventually.
Yes, we were pretty diametrically opposed on Mando Season 3. And I feel no ill will for it. I like a good debate.
The ending I would have liked for Thrawn would have been Ahsoka and friends coming up with a plan to stop him, enacting that plan in spectacular fashion, and him getting away anyway because he was 3 steps ahead of them the whole time. Instead he ploddingly gathered the containers that had been available to him for 10 years, ploddingly docked with the Eye of Scion, then left without ever any tension or hope that the heroes would pull off a happy ending.
I wasn't looking for 10 packages of tied up loose ends, I know how serial storytelling works, but the only story that started, developed, and got completed in this season was the Hera insubordination subplot. It didn't mean Hera's story was done, it just had a completed arc whereas nothing else did.
And I hope you seek out better storytelling in the future instead of arrogantly thinking this is worth your attention, you can do better Nick!
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That's fair. I overstated 10 tidy packages. But I'd rather hope to see more Baylon (however they'd do that now) and what's up with the Mortis statues than have them end it somehow because Filoni doesn't know if he's gonna get to finish it.
I hated Dave's (JD member) take on Shin. I'll take her kinda less than amazing ending with the hope there's more of her than another boring Inquisitor.
I think what I'm trying to say is I didn't love the finale, but I'd rather they leave stuff open to continue even if the don't, over too many completed arcs because it may not get another run.
I can't believe how many good stories you missed Muftak by not finishing Clone Wars and Rebels. You can do better.
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https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2023/11/star-wars-ahsoka-dave-filoni
Interesting tidbits:
- Filoni is now chief creative officer at LFL
- Filoni is still exploring a possible second season of Ahsoka
- Filoni is still working on his Mandoverse film
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I like this idea. He could be a better story guy and producer guy than he is a screenwriter guy or director guy. Promote him far away from the front line.
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So does anybody think Shin knows what Baylan's Goals are? It seems like she doesn't.
Baylan seems cool, or maybe he just thinks he's cool? He clearly knows about the force trinity, but he kind of seems like that "cool guy" you know who's pretty tiresome when you consider all his BS.
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I don't think he's the type to fill Shin in on all his plans.
It's kind of a bummer that they were clearly setting this all to go somewhere with Baylon but then at the same time they don't seem to have any definite plans for an Ahsoka Season 2? All of which is also complicated by the untimely passing of the actor. I'm hoping it was just writer strike related things that caused some kind of delay in confirming/moving on to a Season 2 as I'd like to see more of Baylon/Shin's story (and everything else going on in Ahsoka's finale).
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I don't think he's the type to fill Shin in on all his plans.
It's kind of a bummer that they were clearly setting this all to go somewhere with Baylon but then at the same time they don't seem to have any definite plans for an Ahsoka Season 2? All of which is also complicated by the untimely passing of the actor. I'm hoping it was just writer strike related things that caused some kind of delay in confirming/moving on to a Season 2 as I'd like to see more of Baylon/Shin's story (and everything else going on in Ahsoka's finale).
Maybe they can have a recast actor get his face fried by force lightning and keep the story going. I do hope they at least figure out where Sabine and Ahsoka end up. Leaving them in the distant universe seems lame.
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I'm hoping it was just writer strike related things that caused some kind of delay in confirming/moving on to a Season 2 as I'd like to see more of Baylon/Shin's story (and everything else going on in Ahsoka's finale).
Speak of the devil... a tidbit from the announcement of a Mando & Grogu movie (https://www.starwars.com/news/the-mandalorian-and-grogu):
"The Mandalorian & Grogu will lead Lucasfilm's ongoing feature-development slate, including films helmed by Sharmeen Obaid-Chinoy, James Mangold, and Dave Filoni, who is also currently developing Ahsoka Season 2, among those in the works."
So I guess we will get an Ahsoka Season 2 eventually...
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I don't think he's the type to fill Shin in on all his plans.
That seems true. Wasn't he speaking to her in general teams about his mission on that planet? That's where the story seems clunky. Shin isn't totally in the dark. BAylan has big plans and is clear about that, but Shin doesn't get any details. That confuses me on why he has her around. A master doesn't always have to be straight forward with details as we've seen before. So, this is either an interesting new dynamic for a master and apprentice or ... worse.
Maybe its time for a rewatch. Hopefully it's not more confusing after a second time.
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The road signs pointing towards a return to Mortis seem to be there. The Father had wanted Anakin to take his place. He brought balance to the Force, and embodied both the light and dark in the World Between Worlds. Ahsoka was resurrected during the Mortis arc by the sacrifice of the daughter, who was the embodiment of the light. Baylan is seeking out the Mortis gods, too. So where does he fit in? And how does that story continue to develop?
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This was enjoyable