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Community => Watto's Junk Yard => Topic started by: Scott on February 18, 2004, 03:47 PM
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http://www.thepassionofthechrist.com/splash.htm
Opens next week, who's going, who's interested. I am interested probably won't go until the DVD comes out...I read the DaVinici Code the other night so I am a little more interested than I was a few days ago
I was listening to the radio on the way home from the airport and the guy was talking about the fact that the world right now is at such a low point morally and spiritually that he thought the graphically accurate portrayal of the Passion might spark some sort of 21st Century Revival...its an interesting premise.
I'm also intrigued about the controversy surrounding its R-Rating and the anti-Semitism vibe (which I think is pretty over the top)
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I'm looking forward to seeing it. I still don't quite know what all the fuss has been about...I understand there are concerns about the depictions of certain Jews, but I haven't heard the details.
I did catch a bit of Mel Gibson's interview on PrimeTime the other night, and he does seem slightly...uh...skewed.
But I think Braveheart is one of the best films ever made, and I admire Gibson's convictions.
I'd like to see it in the theater, but my wife and I have a new baby in the house so that may not be possible...we'll have to see.
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I'm looking foward to it and I'm a jew,looks intersting.Mainly becasue it's in Aramaic and latin,and since I enjoy Aramaic(and can speak a very little bit)I thinkthis movie will be intersting.
It also seems to be made very well and shot carefully.
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Read an article in that bastion of Journalism the USA Today yesterday saying how mayn chruches are renting out whole theaters to bring chruch groups in to see the movie and even though it is R-Rated they are recommending children 10 and up go and see it
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I am really into my religion, and i do go to church every sunday and my church youth group leader made reservations so we get a special screening just us, the day after it comes out, so it is pretty exciting but i am really thrilled about this movie! Poor Mel Gibson is getting alot of crap for it though, it makes me mad!
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Definitely creating one helluva lot of controversy... Looks intriguing, and I'm sure we'll catch it during the first week in theaters. I understand Jewish people not wanting to be portrayed in a negative light, but history is history - so as long as Mel sticks to the facts, I think he has a right to show what happened (from the Bible's point of view). It's a Hollywood movie after all, so people should take it with a grain of salt, and as entertainment, if not historically accurate information. It's not like people nowadays should be prejudiced towards Jews based on a Hollywood movie which is based on what happened a couple thousand years ago...
Watch the movie. Enjoy it, or not. Decide for yourself. The fuss is very similar to one of Mel's other recent movies - The Patriot, when all the British folks and media were up in arms over the portrayal of them in that flick. Did anything come of it in terms of present day? Nah. We're all good buds still... ;) Same should hold true for this movie as well.
I agree with Mainland though, in that I don't think Mel should be getting the heat that he is. I understand people looking at his decision to make this as controversial, but the media is all suggesting that Mel may be banished from Hollywood forever by his colleagues, and that no one will ever work with him again... That's f'n ridiculous, and WAY over the top. ::)
I am interested probably won't go until the DVD comes out...
Ya' think it'll still be in theaters when the DVD gets released? :P Patty just finished the DaVinci Code last week as well, and really loved it!
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i dont know why this movie would create so muc controversy though it is pretty odd, you know. I dont understand it at all. I think it will be an excellent movie, and bring in lots of dough for Mel Gibson, i just really dont get why people are so damn controversial over something that doesnt diserve it. I dont get it at all.
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http://www.thepassionofthechrist.com/splash.htm
Here is the ADl's position on why they are worried, not because of the history of events, not because of how Gibson portrayed it, but because the world is rife with Anti-Semitism already and they think the movie will make things worse because people tend to be idiots
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http://www.thepassionofthechrist.com/splash.htm
Here is the ADl's position on why they are worried, not because of the history of events, not because of how Gibson portrayed it, but because the world is rife with Anti-Semitism already and they think the movie will make things worse because people tend to be idiots
Wrong (duplicate) link there bub. :-*
My theory is that those idiots out there are going to be idiots regardless of this movie. I don't think this movie is going to create new idiots though. If there's some jacked up, crazy people with a deep seeded hatred for a particular race of people, they're going to do stupid $h!t anyway. They, or others, may blame some atrocious actions on the movie, but that's just an excuse. If lunatics are going to snap, or just terrorize in general, this Hollywood movie is not going to be what puts them over the edge. They're just wackos, and that's just what they do - with, or without, a potentially anti-semitic movie to fuel the fire...
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Whoops
http://www.adl.org/Interfaith/gibson_trigger.asp
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I've definately got to see this.
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I'm going to see it, probably the week after it comes out, provided the local theater keeps it around that long.
I wonder if those who have a problem with this flick also have a problem with 'Jesus of Nazareth', which I thought was a pretty good flick and has some of the same subject matter, though I'm sure not near as graphically portrayed.
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I plan on seeing it, because, Im sure it shows, the Crusifiction wasnt pretty, like it is on the stations of the cross on the walls of your church. Jesus was charged and treated like a criminal, if not worse, due to the fact that he was claiming he was the Christ, the Messiah, and that he was King of the Jews.
Weather or not your a religious person, its an important piece of history being portrayed, and I really think I should see it.
Kevin
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The films doing everything that Gibson wanted it to do. It's making people talk and think before it even comes into theaters.
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This is crazy, whole churches are renting out theaters to see this.
I'm never going to be able to get tickets. :-[
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I've been interested to see it since I first heard about it because he filmed it in Aramaic and Latin. The rest of this 'controversy' kind of puts me off, but I'll decide for myself whether he crosses the line or not.
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I'm not to big on reglion but I want to eventually see this movie maybe when it comes out on DVD. The one thing that has me not too thrilled about it is the whole Latin and Aramaic. I don't like movies with a lot of subtitles where you have to read and at the same time look at the action on screen. I would be afirad that I would fall asleep trying to watch it if I go and see it in threaters.
I think it would be stuipid for anything to happen to Mel Gibson because of this movie like him being black listed by hollywood. SInce Hollywood seems to be so against black listing people because of what happened back in the 50's and 60's.
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I may see it on DVD, but I don't really care to see it in theatres. One thing I will say about all the hype this movie is getting - if this movie ends up sucking, a lot of people are going to feel like complete jackasses for endorsing a movie they hadn't seen.
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So anyone gone yet? Heard a review on the radio this morning, the guy said it was one of THE most violent and graphic movies he's ever seen.
Two questions they said you need to ask yourself...
How did Jesus survive the torture before the Crucifixion?
Why didn't he just give up and stop it all when he had the chance?
Both are pretty valid points, an expert called in saying that not many prisinors even made it to the crucifixion and were killed in the torture
I'm not sure my wife can handle seeing this even though I really want to go, they were saying the Latin and Aramaic do not detract at all from the movie as most of it is purely visual
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This is crazy, whole churches are renting out theaters to see this.
I'm never going to be able to get tickets. :-[
Yup, happened here yesterday. The Catholic churches purchased most of the tickets for yesterday and Saturday. Kind of weird they would want you to be in a movie theatre on Ash Wednesday instead of mass but....they did.
Front page news on our local paper with more coverage inside. I have never seen front page news for a movie since Star Wars (really...that is the only other movie that ever had a ton of coverage in our local paper). I talked to many of my clients today that saw it and they said it was very humbling. I doubt if I will go nor watch it on DVD later. Nothing personal against the movie, it's just I don't need Hollywood to show me what happened, I have my own imagination and I'll go with that.
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crazt thing, but i heard on a radio station here in town, that a women had a heart attack while watching the crusifiction scene. I dont know if it is true or not, but they said she died. That she has had heart problems before that, and she couldnt handle that particular scene to good, and died of a heart attack. I think that is ver tragic and sad. If its true?
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OH it's definately true.
I hope I don't come out crying like everyone else when I see this.
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I want to see the movie, I just haven't had a day off yet to go. But, I do plan on seeing it.
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I got to see it on Monday afternoon. It's a very hard movie to watch. One person I was with left the theater because of the violence. Another said they basically couldn't do anything for the rest of the day, that everything else seemed stupid in comparison. My wife and I were both moved to tears. I found the movie to be harsh. And I mean that in a positive way. But it is hard to watch. The brutality of what is portrayed is very moving and incredibly intense.
OCB had asked:
How did Jesus survive the torture before the Crucifixion?
Why didn't he just give up and stop it all when he had the chance?
The answer to both those questions, according to the Bible whihc is the best source on this subject, is found in John 10:14-18
14 I am the good shepherd; I know my sheep and my sheep know me— 15 just as the Father knows me and I know the Father—and I lay down my life for the sheep. 16 I have other sheep that are not of this sheep pen. I must bring them also. They too will listen to my voice, and there shall be one flock and one shepherd. 17 The reason my Father loves me is that I lay down my life—only to take it up again. 18 No one takes it from me, but I lay it down of my own accord. I have authority to lay it down and authority to take it up again. This command I received from my Father.
If you believe Jesus was the Son of God than you believe He was able to determine the time of His own death, (or to push His mortal body to the limit) and that He came to earth for this very purpose so although He may have desired to stop the process it would go against His mission.
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Thanks obi1...I guess that was what I was alluding too, the fact that Jesus was able to endure the whole process speaks volumes to His sacrifice
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I'm not sure if I'm supposed to feel bad that I didn't cry during any of this film.
There were some parts that were almost creepy like scary, that whole crow thing caught me by surprise comletely.
It was really odd that they made the beating scene so long.
It was really awesome though, my favorite part would probly be when the devil gets pissed and then they go to the resurection.
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Its definatley a violent movie. I felt physiacly sick with all the torture scenes.
However, not being a Christan I did not cry, I did feel very sorry for him though.
And what was with the devil? I don't remember in the bible (from when I was a Christan) that happening.
Also, I would like to say that the movie did portray Jews in a less than intellegent light, and it made the govenor all most look like a hero.
But, all in all it was an interesting movie, very disturbing in parts, however.
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I went with P'Dubbs to see it, and I did end up crying on several occasions.
See my latest entryHere (http://www.livejournal.com/users/TheKev316/) for my reveiw, and thoughts.
Kevin
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Would you say Mel GIbson is more popular than The Beatles?
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Would you say Mel GIbson is more popular than The Beatles?
;D
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No comment on the movie itself (yet), but I went to see
Welcome to Mooseport a movie who's title isn't even worth mentioning here last night, at around 5:00, and (with the exception of the 10:00+ shows) every single showing of Passion was sold out for the rest of the night, and this was for three screens.
They were verifying Passion tickets to get into the Passion screens, had lines roped off, etc. People were lining up at least an hour before the shows, all that stuff.
Haven't seen a movie like that since, (dare I say it?) Attack of the Clones. ('Course, I avoided the LOTR opening weekend madness, too--maybe it was the same there, as well.)
It'll be interesting to see what happens to it in the weeks ahead, after the hype dies down a little (unless it gets. . . resurrected? Ouch.) Can it get repeat business, after the churches stop buying all the tickets?
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" Can it get repeat business, after the churches stop buying all the tickets?"
Good point. I saw The Passion last night and personally speaking, one viewing was enough for me.
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Havent, seen this movie yet, but i cannot wait to see, it.
From eveything i have heard, it looks great but very emotional! :'(
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Saw it, cried at the end, great movie
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Would you say Mel GIbson is more popular than The Beatles?
No, Mel Gibson is a casino's big lemon.
;)
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Would you say Mel GIbson is more popular than The Beatles?
No, Mel Gibson is a casino's big lemon.
;)
It speaks!!! :o
Kevin
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I saw it tonight. It's very good, but flawed in a few ways. I'm still sort of decompressing. I'll write more when I've given it some more thought.
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It speaks!!! :o
No, it arose of a foe’s oration.
(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-7/268293/kniw.gif)
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I saw it on Sunday...I thought it was very well made and intense...I don't want to get in a biblical heated debate like at RS, but I thought it was very well done...The actors all played their roles very well, and the R rating definately is justified.
So...Which Biblical Movie will Mel produce next?
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David...good story, no anti-Semitic vibe
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Loved the film, very depressing, but loved it. I also agree that is well done a good manner. Don't think anyone could of done it better. Big 5! Mel Gibson!!!! 8) You did a great job. It was very sad though. Very sad! :-[
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very depressing, but loved it. It was very sad though. Very sad! :-[
Did you expect it to be all flowers and roses? Jesus was a criminal, and weas dealt like one.
Kevin
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I don't know where you get the "flowers and roses" part Kevin. I don't really feel like hearing what you have to say right now actually.!!
And there is no need, to be rude about anything either. ::)
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David...good story, no anti-Semitic vibe
I did, maybe you didn't pick up on them but they were there. First the Jews were made to look like a mob of idiots. Second nearly all of them had the hook nose, which admittedly some of us do have, but not all of us. As I'm sure you know the hook nose is a famous string harped by anti semites.
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Seriously, why do we have to argue over this. If any of this stuff was in there, oh well! We should drop and not argue over it. If you want to be sensitive about it, then let people be sensitive about it. But the movie I know was not directed to be Anti-Semitic. It was just made so that everyone can see what really happened. And it really bothers me to death that people make big deals, about things that arent that big of a deal! It is a movie just like any other movie we see, with alot more power.
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How it really happend? I don't seem to recall Satan being there.
Matt, the Passion is a movie full of controversy so what did you expect? Maybe because you are not a Jew you did not pick up on some of the things in the movie that were anti-semetic. You seem to be taking this as a personal assualt on yourself and your belifes, which is not true. Look at it form a non-Christan point of view or just from a Biblical one you and you shall see the faults and added ''goodies'' in this story.
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Um... We're playing nice in here, right fellas?! :-*
Haven't seen this flick yet myself, but hopefully we'll catch it this weekend. Sounds pretty intense...
Who's this "Jesus" fellow anyway? ???
:P
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Jesus, is played by James Caviezel. He does a great job!
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First the Jews were made to look like a mob of idiots.
I didn't think it made the Jews, as a whole, look like a mob of idiots. However, I do believe that it made the Jewish Chief Priests look like idiots (which they were). They moved to have a murderer set free (Barabbas) over Jesus, who was accused of blasphemy. Their motives were purely political.
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I don't know where you get the "flowers and roses" part Kevin. I don't really feel like hearing what you have to say right now actually.!!
And there is no need, to be rude about anything either. ::)
Im sorry if I sounded rude, but I meant what I said. People before portrayed the crusifiction of Christ as a sad, but really unpainfull event, or rather, thats how I was tought about it. The more I read about it, the more I disagreed. Jesus was a criminal, and a highly frowned on one by the Jewish people at that time, so you have to figure that he was treated bad.
Sure it was sad. Wasnt it sad before?
Kevin
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First the Jews were made to look like a mob of idiots.
However, I do believe that it made the Jewish Chief Priests look like idiots (which they were). They moved to have a murderer set free (Barabbas) over Jesus, who was accused of blasphemy. Their motives were purely political.
I agree with you there, however, all the jewish people were just blindly following the temple elders (which, arguably could be logical) and throughout the cross scene they were sneering, jeering, and carrying on like a retarded 30s lynch mob. But, maybe I'm not being impartical, prehaps I'm just reading to much into this.
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I don't think the Jews were all shown to be idiots, spineless or anything else. Some were, some were following those with authority, and some resisted.
At least 2 of the Jewish priests objected to what was happening to Jesus and it was pointed out that the procedure of trying someone at night was highly irregular, and that many other members were not there.
In Pilate's court it appeared that the crowd was not a random sampling of Jews but a group handpicked by the high priests who acted as yes-men (people). Again this was early morning stuff and the movie hinted that perhaps followers of the high priest were pulled out of bed to support this move.
Once Jesus was out on the street carrying his cross he was a convicted criminal. I'm not sure, but from my understanding this was not an unusual sight and many of the people who passed by and were cruel to him just saw a convicted criminal and not as Jesus. They were cruel because he was a criminal and the Romans were picking on him so they joined in. Sure it's mean, but people can be jerks.
My point being that I didn't see the Jews all acting as idiots. Some responded in a normal fashion to the authority and situation. Some showed integrity and some did not. But they were individuals and acted as such.
And of course Jesus, the Marys and the disciples were all Jews, but that point is always oddly left out. People claim that the Jews killed Jesus, but neglect to mention that it was Jews who spread the gospel and helped found the church.
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I don't think the Jews were all shown to be idiots, spineless or anything else. Some were, some were following those with authority, and some resisted.
At least 2 of the Jewish priests objected to what was happening to Jesus and it was pointed out that the procedure of trying someone at night was highly irregular, and that many other members were not there.
In Pilate's court it appeared that the crowd was not a random sampling of Jews but a group handpicked by the high priests who acted as yes-men (people). Again this was early morning stuff and the movie hinted that perhaps followers of the high priest were pulled out of bed to support this move.
Once Jesus was out on the street carrying his cross he was a convicted criminal. I'm not sure, but from my understanding this was not an unusual sight and many of the people who passed by and were cruel to him just saw a convicted criminal and not as Jesus. They were cruel because he was a criminal and the Romans were picking on him so they joined in. Sure it's mean, but people can be jerks.
My point being that I didn't see the Jews all acting as idiots. Some responded in a normal fashion to the authority and situation. Some showed integrity and some did not. But they were individuals and acted as such.
And of course Jesus, the Marys and the disciples were all Jews, but that point is always oddly left out. People claim that the Jews killed Jesus, but neglect to mention that it was Jews who spread the gospel and helped found the church.
I couldn't agree with you anymore brother!
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and throughout the cross scene they were sneering, jeering, and carrying on like a retarded 30s lynch mob. But, maybe I'm not being impartical, prehaps I'm just reading to much into this.
You know, I think alot of us would have been there jeering, and hollaring for him to be crusified too, jew or not.
If Jesus came back today, I think we would try and crusify him again, if not physicaly, socialy.
Kevin
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What reasons would we have to crucify him today? The same bull**** excuse they used back in his time, that he's a supposed magician?
Is something blasphemy if it can be proven?
This day in age, if he were indeed to come back as proclaimed, he;d have alot more support, thanks in large part to people who feel as if they have been saved, or witnessed miracles themselves.
Let me know if I am off base here.
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What reasons would we have to crucify him today? The same ******** excuse they used back in his time, that he's a supposed magician?
Is something blasphemy if it can be proven?
This day in age, if he were indeed to come back as proclaimed, he;d have alot more support, thanks in large part to people who feel as if they have been saved, or witnessed miracles themselves.
Let me know if I am off base here.
We would have no reason to crucify him in this day and age. He has done so much for us, for everybody. But I guess it is hard for some people to realize this!
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This day in age, if he were indeed to come back as proclaimed, he;d have alot more support, thanks in large part to people who feel as if they have been saved, or witnessed miracles themselves.
Let me know if I am off base here.
As a whole, we are very ignorant, and unexcepting of things. If some guy came out of nowhere, and started walking around saying peace be with you, and saying he was jesus, he would be thrown in an asylum. Just like people who "speak" to god are look uppon like they are insane.
Physicaly, or socialy, he would be crusified.
Kevin
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The priests got Jesus on blasphemy charges (claiming to be the son of God), but took him to the Romans for rebellion (claiming to be king of the Jews). And back then Jesus could have proven both charges true - ie that he the son of God and king of the Jews, but since he needed to die, on a cross, he kept his mouth shut and did the same thing.
And I believe we would crucify him if he showed up again (or if it was the first time today) because the real reason the priests wanted Jesus killed is because he was so good, being perfect and all, that he made them look bad, being not perfect and all. That problem still exists today, and speaking as a religious leader/authority I fear that those in my occupation would lead the way because he upset the status quo.
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The priests got Jesus on blasphemy charges (claiming to be the son of God), but took him to the Romans for rebellion (claiming to be king of the Jews). And back then Jesus could have proven both charges true - ie that he the son of God and king of the Jews, but since he needed to die, on a cross, he kept his mouth shut and did the same thing.
And I believe we would crucify him if he showed up again (or if it was the first time today) because the real reason the priests wanted Jesus killed is because he was so good, being perfect and all, that he made them look bad, being not perfect and all. That problem still exists today, and speaking as a religious leader/authority I fear that those in my occupation would lead the way because he upset the status quo.
All the priests got scared, that is probably why they reacted the way they did. Which was frikin stupid!!! Why crucify a man cause he says that!
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The priests got Jesus on blasphemy charges (claiming to be the son of God), but took him to the Romans for rebellion (claiming to be king of the Jews). And back then Jesus could have proven both charges true - ie that he the son of God and king of the Jews, but since he needed to die, on a cross, he kept his mouth shut and did the same thing.
And I believe we would crucify him if he showed up again (or if it was the first time today) because the real reason the priests wanted Jesus killed is because he was so good, being perfect and all, that he made them look bad, being not perfect and all. That problem still exists today, and speaking as a religious leader/authority I fear that those in my occupation would lead the way because he upset the status quo.
All the priests got scared, that is probably why they reacted the way they did. Which was frikin stupid!!! Why crucify a man cause he says that!
If some one goes around claiming he is your father (to which you already have one) would you not call him crazy? If he continued, wouldnt you yell at him to stop, after talking to him? If he showed up convincing your friends he was your dad, wouldnt you get a restraining order?
Same thing. Jesus was out claming he was the son of god, and could save everyone. It went against what the Elders say, so they had to do somthing to make an example? Immagine a hundred Jesus's running around going against what you say? Would make you seem foolish.
Kevin
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"Passion" debate between couple turns violent (http://aolsvc.news.aol.com/news/article.adp?id=20040318205109990001)
I've never argued about a movie this much.