The Sailbarge is the only big vehicle that I can imagine having enough playability to be considered.
Plus it's the only larger vehicle I can think of that had enough screen time to warrent such a large vehicle.
I can already hear the seething rage from some people that a big item/vehicle/playset discussion is starting... oh wait, ARE getting some of this now, just as the faithful have been predicting.
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Anyways, what we're clearly seeing here is that the whole "Hasbro will never make big items so quit wasting valuable questions about them in the Q&A's" crowd isn't as all-knowing as they try to appear to be, which is pretty damn funny.
Plus it's the only larger vehicle I can think of that had enough screen time to warrent such a large vehicle.
How long before folks start clamoring for a 6ft long $500 Star Destroyer ship/playset? :D
It worked back in the 80's with the U.S.S. Flagg (http://www.yojoe.com/vehicles/85/ussflagg/). Not sure how much that sucker retailed for, but it's been 20+ years, so I think it's time for some larger vehicles. :)
As for other "aggressive" type vehicles, didn't Hasbro say in one of the Q&As at one point that they had done an in-house proof-of-concept of an action figure sized Turbo Tank?
[seething rage]There's a difference between "big items" and "playsets," Choo.[/seething rage]
Agreed... These are vehicles with immense play value to them, not a hallway, so I don't think there's really a comparison here. Let's be realistic about it still. ;) The Falcon's "close" to being a playset because it's interior is the place of many memorable scenes... At its core though, it's a ship that was throughout the original trilogy and the focus of a ton of action too with it twisting, spinning, shooting, fighting... TONS of appeal to all ages.
I still maintain though, if both this and the AT-TE are on shelves at the same time... Which one does little billy ask mom/dad to buy him for the holidays? I dunno...
There's not been many people I am aware of who said they'll never do this or that vehicle in the modern line... There's been rumors of lots of "big ticket" items being on Hasbro's lists they'd like to try if the moment presented itself. Hasbro's said as much, have they not? Hell, didn't Hasbro themselves say they'd love to update the Falcon "at the right time"? Is it really flooring people that it happened then, and it's got a ton of cool stuff going on with it too?
Plus it's the only larger vehicle I can think of that had enough screen time to warrent such a large vehicle.
How long before folks start clamoring for a 6ft long $500 Star Destroyer ship/playset? :D
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Not sure how the most iconic vehicle now suddenly means that we'll now be getting playsets. Especially based on long term failures and continual failures of playsets at retail. About the only one that has a chance is a Death Star one, and I know they have made prototypes but outside of that...
this doesn't mean the retailers are going to embrace more huge items hogging up shelf space
Not sure how the most iconic vehicle now suddenly means that we'll now be getting playsets.
Especially based on long term failures and continual failures of playsets at retail.
About the only one that has a chance is a Death Star one, and I know they have made prototypes but outside of that...this doesn't mean the retailers are going to embrace more huge items hogging up shelf space
No offense, but if we all have a pessimistic attitude about playsets, it's going to look more and more to Hasbro like people don't want them. And if that's Hasbro's perception, there's no way it's going to happen.
I'd much rather embrace the possibility of something most every Star Wars fan want so see made than have a piss on it attitude. We all should.
You may not want to admit it, but there's a valid comparison. You said yourself that this is in a way, a playset. And let's not forget that we're not talking about another $40 or $50 toy here, this is something immense.
We're both pretty stubborn about this, but I'm pretty surprised that you don't think the fans are floored Jesse. Read the Falcon thread... other forums, the GH blog, etc.
Not sure how the most iconic vehicle now suddenly means that we'll now be getting playsets.
Don't recall anyone saying it does? Only that Hasbro is clearly looking at larger scaled items now, and if this and the AT-TE do well enough, they might look at further options.
I can already hear the seething rage from some people that a big item/vehicle/playset discussion is starting... oh wait, ARE getting some of this now, just as the faithful have been predicting.
I'm sure we're going to have to wait and see how sales are on these, but it shows that Hasbro finally realizes there is demand for larger items in the 3-3/4 line. Will we see a Sail Barge somewhere down the road? Or a new attitude towards playsets? We can certainly hope so.
I've heard that argument over and over, and to be honest it's getting weaker each time someone says it. Why you ask? Because all the playsets they've made so far are junk. Give us something that actually looks cool, then if it doesn't sell, this argument will have more validity. Until then what you're basing history off of is mostly pieces of plastic
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But how might this translate to larger items in the future? I think the sales numbers from this year into 2009 will dictate that. I can almost assure that we'll see the Falcon and AT-TE reissued down the line so that Hasbro can attempt to maximize the investment on the tooling for these vehicles. But can this lead to other big ticket, large items? That's very uncertain. I think the list of candidates would be very short. I can rattle off The Death Star and little else at the moment. At least in terms of an iconic level of appeal.
I'm sure we're going to have to wait and see how sales are on these, but it shows that Hasbro finally realizes there is demand for larger items in the 3-3/4 line. Will we see a Sail Barge somewhere down the road? Or a new attitude towards playsets? We can certainly hope so.
Other than perhaps an opening door and a "shattering window" or something, you're probably right. I wish they'd outsource the rights to dioramas or whatnot to a company like Sideshow. :-\
Larger Slave 1 as well...
Will Hasbro ever make a Sail Barge? I think it's doable. The POTC ship was pretty big and was only about $60 at stores.
Will Hasbro ever make a Sail Barge? I think it's doable. The POTC ship was pretty big and was only about $60 at stores.
It also had the benefit if being in three major movies in a very prominent role, plus was in the title of the first flick. The Sail Barge, not so much...
In regards to kids liking the PT more so i dont think thats true.
Any reason you throw out 2009 as the year Muftak, or are you just speculating (which I often do)?
Death Star for sure Muftak.... I am very confident it will show up in the TV series. It's already been mentioned some in The Force Unleashed that the Death Star will make an appearance... hee hee
there was concept art for a 3-foot tall plastic Death Star playset planned for POTF2 that was revealed at Celebration III.
Death Star for sure Muftak.... I am very confident it will show up in the TV series. It's already been mentioned some in The Force Unleashed that the Death Star will make an appearance... hee hee
Well thanks for spoiling this for me. Cripe, I'm not going to get the game now, thanks to that bit of new. Gees, way to bring things down....You do of course realize I'm joking here, right?
there was concept art for a 3-foot tall plastic Death Star playset planned for POTF2 that was revealed at Celebration III.
Does anyone have a picture of this?
I think it's waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too early to start with this rumor, but I could be wrong. :-\
I've always been an advocate for the modular DS playset. There's just so much possibility.
Now this is the 2nd or 3rd time Rebelscum has mentioned people go out and pay the full price on the Falcon if we want to see other big stuff like this made. I don't know if that is all speculation on their part or they have actually heard a rep from within say "on this all depends". I am leaning toward the latter and makes sense really.
The more we show interest in these sort of things - the more of a chance we're going to see Hasbro look at ways to make these items available.
I think it's waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too early to start with this rumor, but I could be wrong. :-\
I agree. Even if it does pan out, I think I would ultimately pass due to cost and the whole scale issue.
People have grown accustomed to the way that Target in particular handles their markdowns, and seem ready to pounce once things go on clearance. It's almost predatory.
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C) I believe them when they say they're not working on them anytime soon... but maybe someday.
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That would be an awsome take on how to release the DS. I would add to help sell the hallways add a figure to it. maybe an astro unit, DS Droid or Mouse Droid, or Troops, Stormie, Imp Commanders or Pilots.
Too bad things didn't pan out with Sideshow doing playsets. :(
Great points Sal and I tend to agree, but all the same, they'd probably be better than the playsets we don't have.
The next big item will be either the larger AT-AT or the Slave 1.
Both iconic vehicles.
The Tie, X-wing, and now, falcon are all nicely sized.
What about a Dagobah playset? That seems like something that they could do by resurrecting the vintage Dagobah playset with some new pieces and an updated paint job.
Could even make an Ultra Battle Pack out of it.
Not to sound like a moron, but he's confirming the Death Star, Slave I, and AT-AT?
Anyway, I could go on and on about this topic. Bring it on!
Now that would make me happier than a pig in ****. :D
I'd rather have a sailbarge.
Slave 1 = dinky by comparison... That's why I never go by "listed specs" on ships. Model comparison is always the route to go first.
The At-At, Slave 1 and Death Star are all at the top of my list. If I had to pick only one though, I think I'd go with the Slave 1.
The At-At, Slave 1 and Death Star are all at the top of my list. If I had to pick only one though, I think I'd go with the Slave 1.
The Slave 1 already has two molds so far... vintage/POTF2 and the SAGA/OTC version. Any reason why you'd choose another resculpt of it over the others?
...I would of course. Hell I would buy a big Home One and Medical Frigate to if it was ever done. LOL!
The Slave 1 already has two molds so far... vintage/POTF2 and the SAGA/OTC version. Any reason why you'd choose another resculpt of it over the others?
Theed Palace could be nice.
Theed Palace could be nice.
And exciting.
I don't see anything wrong with rumor mills like this. If anything, they spark interest.Theed Palace could be nice.
And exciting.
Not much in EPI is really exciting, is it?
the courtyard area might work, where the droid army collides with the Jedi and small Naboo force.
I don't agree. With the BMF he showed us that he has the inside track. He was dead on with that one, and I'm sure he will be in the future. He can't say "this is coming" or Hasbro will get angry, so he posts the stuff as rumors.
Hasbro wants to find a dirty rat.....I know for a fact they are still pissed.
and I sure as hell hope if we do get something, it's not some sort of Podracer. Bleh!
Something BIG for TPM's 10 Anniversary?
I don't recall Hasbro ever making an item(s) for a specific movie's anniversary, besides ANH of course.
I'm sure with the success of the Falcon and the AT-TE Hasbro is looking at making more large scale items which is great.
For the TPM anniversary, I could see them re-releasing the Queen's Starship...hopefully a bit retooled, but even if they did a straight re-release, I think it would do well. That was one of the toughest to get items from the Episode 1 line if I recall.
An MTT would also be a good idea, but we'd probably end up with the air taxi. :D
Not to disagree with you Matt, but the Royal Starship bombed in my area and ended up on clearance fpr $49.98 at TRU, and even at that price didn't move too well... they can still be had on ebay for less than the initial retail price of $100 including shipping.I got mine for $20 at Target, I could have had 10 of them...it bombed huge
Back to the EPI stuff.
Its been said before in this thread I think - and don't get me wrong, I'm really happy and excited for the larger items that we've gotten and have coming up - but I think Hasbro might be in danger of over doing it with the big/higher priced items. Granted, it might just be me, but even putting the space issue aside (which is really getting difficult at this point), but its tough financially to keep up with all this - especially when it all comes in the back half of the year. Sure, I don't have to buy it all - and I don't - but it seems these days if you do like something (Star Wars in particular) you better buy it when you see it. It seems like quite a bit of it disappears quickly these days.
Anyways, with these larger items (particularly those approaching the $80+ pricepoint), they might want to limit it to one a year - or spread a couple out a bit. Personally, for "big stuff" I've only gotten the new Falcon so far, but if you look at the rest of the year we have the Falcon, AT-TE, Sarlacc BP, Lars BP and possibly some other unannounced UBP around the holidays that are all at least $50 or more. That's not even mentioning other $20-$40 stuff that is hitting the shelves as well. Then the Rancor early in the year - and so on. Its amazing to me that even though the movies are "over" (although now we have Clone Wars and the series coming up to push things), we're getting more stuff in non-movie years than we ever did in movie years before. With 60+ basic figures, comic packs, Evolutions, battle packs, ultimate battle packs, starfighter vehicle assortments, "big" vehicles/battle packs, and exclusives - there's just a ton of stuff out these days to pick up. It gets tough to keep up with the basic 3 3/4" line all by itself.
It seems like quite a bit of it disappears quickly these days.
How about a new Rebel transpot?
How about a new Rebel transpot?
How about a new Rebel transpot?
How about a new Rebel transpot?
Here are the larger vehicles that I think *MIGHT* have a shot in the line...
-Sentinel Class Imperial Landing Ship (Big longshot)
I have some inside info that the sales data is mixed on these items.
Holy hell you're back. ;D
Nobody is disagreeing that someone at Hasbro is being held accountable for the crappy design of the legs. Scott has the relevant point here though that this could scare some parents off in the future, which I think is what Hasbro should be more concerned with. Star Wars is so popular and fortunate for Hasbro, the brand can probably absorb this sort of thing from time to time, but they certainly need to ensure this doesn't happen again in 2009.
I would think that retailers are going to order whatever large vehicle (or playset) Hasbro offers up next... I don't think the retailers are going to be shy about it until a large item ends up burning them.
In the meantime, I picked up another AT-TE yesterday for $64.00 at a Walmart out in the sticks... first time I've seen one in about a month anywhere, and the only one on clearance.
How long is the cartoon going to last anyway? I don't know, I haven't watched one single episode and really don't care to. :P
As for some Falcons hitting 30% before Christmas, remember all those big fluffy horses and dinosaurs saw markdowns around 50-65% before Christmas.
;)
In the meantime, I picked up another AT-TE yesterday for $64.00 at a Walmart out in the sticks... first time I've seen one in about a month anywhere, and the only one on clearance.
I'm not saying they won't make them...I'm saying casual buyer people will think twice of buying them whicvh doesn't bode well for the long term viability of said items
I think Nick has a point too...there has to be some HUGE ramnifications internal to Hasbro to the leg debacle I would think.
Were the sales good enough that these flaws are within acceptable parameters? And will it permit Hasbro to proceed with more large vehicle projects? I don't think we're going to know the answer for some time.
Yeah, I was thinking we *might* see some news on this or even pics of something new in February...
Were the sales good enough that these flaws are within acceptable parameters? And will it permit Hasbro to proceed with more large vehicle projects? I don't think we're going to know the answer for some time.
Guess we'll be finding out in a few more weeks, no?
I feel burned that I went out immediately and bought both a BMF and AT-TE. When, if I'd have waited 3 months I could have saved nearly $90 for the both, almost effectively giving me the AT-TE for free...
I feel burned that I went out immediately and bought both a BMF and AT-TE. When, if I'd have waited 3 months I could have saved nearly $90 for the both, almost effectively giving me the AT-TE for free...
I want to feel burned, but I'm happy to have gotten the stuff when I did. Sure, I would have love to have saved a hundred bucks, but these were a new class of item. Who knew?
Thinking about this, I think that both of these vehicles sold rather well. Sure some people will be put off by big items if they only purchased the AT-TE (as a toy not a collectible) because of the legs, and the same type of people might be put off by the BMF Falcon because it's so big, kids can't "fly" it around the room like you could with the previous version. Still, I think these were successful enough that Hasbro will probably consider some items for the future:
We'll probably see:
-Turbo Tank -- mainly because it would be fairly easy to make and fairly sturdy.
-AT-AT -- Previous versions have done fairly well (minus the last TRU exclusive which I think you can still find)
-Death Star -- If Hasbro ever makes a playset again, it will be this.
-Jawa Sandcrawler -- They keep making Jawas...they need a ride and it would basically be a large box on treads so fairly easy to do for Hasbro
Probably won't see:
Jabba's Sail Barge -- I could be wrong, but I can't see Hasbro putting this together well enough for collectors, and I don't think it would sell as a toy
Sith Infiltrator -- Too bad they didn't make the one that was released the size of the Queen's Starship (but then I would not have the space to display it)
Any large EU vehicle -- anyone who wanted a Lady Luck or the like is SOL
I think we'll also a new AT-ST and possibly Slave 1 at some point...but I don't consider them big vehicles compared to the rest of the list.
We'll probably see:What about the Twilight? Based on the projected 4 to 5 seasons of the show, its probably going to get a lot of screen time, I could see them releasing one of these. It'd probably have to be in the $50-$75 price range. I'd expect a cockpit for 2-4 figures, plus the docking bay at the back, and maybe a speeder that pops out the bottom or something. I think this would sell a lot better to the kiddies than either the Sandcrawler or Jabba's sailbarge.
-Turbo Tank -- mainly because it would be fairly easy to make and fairly sturdy.
-AT-AT -- Previous versions have done fairly well (minus the last TRU exclusive which I think you can still find)
-Death Star -- If Hasbro ever makes a playset again, it will be this.
-Jawa Sandcrawler -- They keep making Jawas...they need a ride and it would basically be a large box on treads so fairly easy to do for Hasbro
A Sail Barge with BMF treatment would be amazing...
I know a lot of skeptics are going to say it's not going to happen, but a lot of those people would have said the same thing not too long ago about the AT-TE or the Falcon.
What about the Twilight? Based on the projected 4 to 5 seasons of the show, its probably going to get a lot of screen time, I could see them releasing one of these. It'd probably have to be in the $50-$75 price range. I'd expect a cockpit for 2-4 figures, plus the docking bay at the back, and maybe a speeder that pops out the bottom or something. I think this would sell a lot better to the kiddies than either the Sandcrawler or Jabba's sailbarge.
Although we may see a new, larger AT-AT. It will still be horribly underscaled.
Has the response to the AT-TE and new Millennium Falcon been positive enough for Hasbro to consider doing a 3 3/4" scale Jabba's Sail Barge? (SWC, 10/17/08) (http://www.swcollector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=57&t=1301)
We will not be pursuing a Jabba's Sail Barge. Instead, we have to stick to the most iconic and high-demand vehicles for these upper price points. The Sail Barge, as cool as it is, just would not be popular enough with kids to justify the enormous costs.
With a renewed focus on Jabba-themed items and higher-ticket items (or a combination such as the forthcoming exclusive Sarlacc and Skiff), what is the likelihood that collectors will see either a full or partial Jabba's Sail Barge vehicle/playset in the coming year or two? If it's not currently on the drawing board, what factors would sway you toward developing and releasing one. (YN, 11/07/08) (http://yodasnews.com/)
While we have discussed it, there is very little chance we would ever release this one simply because it has too many strikes against it. It is not a vehicle that kids would "vote" for, given a choice between a Sail Barge and more aggressive vehicles, it would take a massive development and tooling effort, and it simply is not iconic enough to command what would be a whopping price point. If we continue the big vehicle program, there is a long list of others we would consider before a Sail Barge.
A lot of collectors no doubt have a list of figures / vehicles / playsets / creatures etc. that they would love to see made, but is there anything on your own personal lists of wanted items that a) you know will be made and you can reveal to us and b) you can say categorically, is never going to see the light of day? (JN, 12/19/08) (http://jedinews.co.uk/news/news.aspx?newsID=2030)
Very soon (mid-February) we will be revealing much more about what is coming next year and are going to hold that information until Toy Fare. Please trust us when we say it is going to be a fantastic year for kids and fans alike.
As for what won't get made, that is a lot easier unfortunately. One vehicle we would really love to see is the Sail Barge, but the chances of this vehicle ever seeing the light of day are extraordinarily slim. We can dream, though! Another one would be a real Krayt Dragon, a virtual impossibility given its massive size. Even doing a skeleton as a background scenic element is daunting from a costing standpoint (and trust us, we've looked!). So those are a couple things right there that would be very cool, but will likely never happen.
I'm sure the chances that we'll get a Sail Barge made aren't too high, but I also don't believe everything Hasbro says in their Q & A's.
What you call being a party pooper, I call being a realist.
You know the whole reason I started doing the Q & A Compendium, was that so I could do this sort of thing.
Poop on people's parties?
Hmm... given what they did with the Falcon and AT-TE both in the same year, I'm thinking that the line could maybe support a new large vehicle or playset every Christmas season for the next few years...
Hmm... given what they did with the Falcon and AT-TE both in the same year, I'm thinking that the line could maybe support a new large vehicle or playset every Christmas season for the next few years...
That's my thought/hope.
AT-TE's and Falcons are on clearance everywhere around me at Targets and WMs. Does this bode well for the future of large vehicles? Did they sell enough to recoup their cost? Do retailers know there's more big vehicles coming so they're trying to make room? Obviously Joe and TF should have a larger footprint this year - SW still has the CW cartoon so I can't see them scaling back shelf space.
AT-TE's and Falcons are on clearance everywhere around me at Targets and WMs. Does this bode well for the future of large vehicles? Did they sell enough to recoup their cost? Do retailers know there's more big vehicles coming so they're trying to make room? Obviously Joe and TF should have a larger footprint this year - SW still has the CW cartoon so I can't see them scaling back shelf space.
Like others have said, I think the Falcon suffered from a few things, but I think the biggest factor is it's iconic to the old guard, not the new, and so the AT-TE outperformed it. The Falcon's a great toy... As a kid, I think I'd love it, however I'm thinking as a person who likes the OT too... So yeah, as a kid I would love it, but kids today think differently... AT-TE's are more popular with them because there's a TV show and a movie last year that featured it. It wins...
THe Turbo Tank has that going for it again, and so I think it'll do fairly well just as the AT-TE did. The Falcon... I still have about 8 of them at my local WM, now moved to lawn/garden, for $99.99... Same ones that were there months before Christmas. Great toy, great ship, but it didn't have support and so it didn't sell nearly as well. I agree with Adam that it's maybe not likely we'll see a new large OT vehicle... If the Falcon can't fly off shelves, I think that says a lot about any other potential OT toy.
I haven't seen an AT-TE now in about 2 months. Even at full price they moved well. I only got my 2nd one using a coupon code at Hasbro because, well, I sure wasn't gonna find it at retail for anything less than $100. That's fairly impressive when you think about it, especially considering how many of the things were at all kinds of stores.
I'm going to have to take everyone's word on the BMF not selling well because it sold very well around here.
I think the AT-TE did better, because it's $50 cheaper, and it's an item that collectors (and very lucky kids) can have multiples of.
I pray, hope and beg that the Falcon does not show up in the TV series.
I was just reading through the GH Q and A this week....but do you think it is possible there's another "surprise" on the way like the Falcon was supposed to be last year?
And the only reason I bring up the Barge is that the Nikto's deck cannon is made to attach to a railing, so that means there's a chance it'll be attaching to something... Someday.
And the only reason I bring up the Barge is that the Nikto's deck cannon is made to attach to a railing, so that means there's a chance it'll be attaching to something... Someday.
Didn't you hear? Nikto's deck cannon fits the updated mini-rig line.
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The Millenium Falcon is FAR more marketable than the Sail Barge. The Millenium Falcon is much closer to being a household name than the Sail Barge. That means that it has huge name recognition as well as a visual appeal. People know precisely what the Falcon is when they see it.
Additionally, Hasbro's been teasing that the new Jabba would be "worth the wait," which combined with that deck cannon leads me to think that it's a definite possibility.
And the only reason I bring up the Barge is that the Nikto's deck cannon is made to attach to a railing, so that means there's a chance it'll be attaching to something... Someday.
Anyway, I'm gonna say the deck gun attaches to the skiff. It was just re-released and the Nikto is a Skiff guard.
And yes, I want my Tantive IV just like that. I bought a chunk of land near my house specifically for it. I expect it will come with the only release of a new Fleet Trooper, making army building impossible. And he'll have a massive mullet sculpted on him which will blow.
I believe all $99+ items going forward will be Clone Wars related.
A Sail Barge is not really comparable to the Millenium Falcon. You're talking about one vehicle that is more of a set than anything else and plays into about 15 minutes of action in ROTJ and gets minor involvement in the Clone Wars movie.
I believe all $99+ items going forward will be Clone Wars related.
I believe all $99+ items going forward will be Clone Wars related.
Such as?
I believe all $99+ items going forward will be Clone Wars related.
Such as?
I still think you'll see a Death Star before you see Jabba's Sailbarge.
Hell, they gave us a new Cloud Car pilot and never put out a Cloud Car for him to fly!
A Sail Barge is not really comparable to the Millenium Falcon. You're talking about one vehicle that is more of a set than anything else and plays into about 15 minutes of action in ROTJ and gets minor involvement in the Clone Wars movie.
The AT-TE is a Clone Wars (animated) themed vehicle - not Legacy vehicle (movie) and it was only in two episodes and has no more than just a few minutes of screen time so I think we have a pretty good chance of a Sail Barge.
The AT-TE has screen time in ATTACK OF THE CLONES, REVENGE OF THE SITH, the CLONE WARS movie and multiple Clone Wars episodes.
It's also an action oriented vehicle that lends itself to toy play value.
The AT-TE has screen time in ATTACK OF THE CLONES, REVENGE OF THE SITH, the CLONE WARS movie and multiple Clone Wars episodes.
Very true my friend, but I'm just trying to point out the marketing on these items. How much screen time in the actual movies did the AT-TE have? Two minutes maybe - at most? The Turbo Tank - what 5-10 seconds in ROTS? I also DO NOT count the Clone Wars as a movie...That was just a messy mess of four animated episodes slapped together so Lucas could buy a new fleet of golf carts. Not trying to butt heads with you Nick - just trying to make a few points. ;)
CLONE WARS = Animated
LEGACY = Movie
I could see an AT-AT coming in 2010/2011.
I still think you'll see a Death Star before you see Jabba's Sailbarge.
Hasbro it´s time your sculptors try a new and bigger rebel transport.
This would be a great challenge for you! Do it Hasbro, make sw collectors smile.
Vintage ones are out there, and they're not priced too crazily. Most of them just need a good cleaning.
Vintage ones are out there, and they're not priced too crazily. Most of them just need a good cleaning.
That's how I got mine.
...As for collector habits changing, sure some people have. Look at the market of 10 years ago - seems like most collectors that I associated with were in our early 20s... now most I know are in their 30s, and there have been some major life changes for most (such as having kids, much less room for our own toys, changes in priorities, etc.) I know it's affected me a lot, but I'm not going to pass up something like a new AT-AT, Sail Barge or Death Star because of that. I'm in this for the long haul (at least as long as Hasbro continues to make collector oriented items - if they were to abandon us, then I'll happily abandon them).
As I said in the rumor thread though, I really do not think the AT TE and BMF have been in production this year at all. So stock being sold at TRU and the like is over 2 years old. That right there should be a red flag...the second being that it takes 50% off sales to even move those items.
I think the Turbo Tank was a foolish move on Hasbro's part anyways.
As for the AT-AT, I think we need to consider that while collectors seem to be dying for it, maybe the kids are not as much as we are... regardless though, I think we're at a point where there's several large scaled items, that if made and were fairly representative of what we see on screen, would do fine at retail. I don't see doom and gloom for these items or a signal that what came out last year or this year bombed.
Another rumor is that the ARC-170 Shadow Fighter has doomed the $69.99 Deluxe Vehicle Assortment.
Let's hope it's something most of us collectors will enjoy, and that the kiddos will too!
I wanted the new CW Y-wing, but I refuse to pay that much for it.
It is a tad ironic that the big items are hitting at what has to be the eventual "tail" of the line. I wanted playsets, death star dioramas, bigger ships, and just about everything else you could dream up. But that was 5-10 years ago. Now, I'm cutting back spending, selling off portions of the 15 years worth of excess, and trying to turn the collection into a size that can be managed, displayed (in rotation), and enjoyed, rather than catlogued and boxed away.
It is amazing how much work collecting can be, and how much more work it can be to scale down the collection! But, I will happily replace my AT-AT's this summer. I love Empire, and am glad to see all the product being produced. I just don't know how much of it I am going to end up with, as I don't need a 3rd Dengar, 4-Lom, Zuckuss, or slave 1, or 10th (or more) Fett.
For those that are looking for them, I hope they make the sail barge, death star, and whatever else can be contrived from plastic. I just don't know how much more you can possibly have, and still manage to enjoy (that's not a slam, I just realized I had past that point myself some time ago).
It is a tad ironic that the big items are hitting at what has to be the eventual "tail" of the line. I wanted playsets, death star dioramas, bigger ships, and just about everything else you could dream up. But that was 5-10 years ago. Now, I'm cutting back spending, selling off portions of the 15 years worth of excess, and trying to turn the collection into a size that can be managed, displayed (in rotation), and enjoyed, rather than catlogued and boxed away.
It is amazing how much work collecting can be, and how much more work it can be to scale down the collection! But, I will happily replace my AT-AT's this summer. I love Empire, and am glad to see all the product being produced. I just don't know how much of it I am going to end up with, as I don't need a 3rd Dengar, 4-Lom, Zuckuss, or slave 1, or 10th (or more) Fett.
For those that are looking for them, I hope they make the sail barge, death star, and whatever else can be contrived from plastic. I just don't know how much more you can possibly have, and still manage to enjoy (that's not a slam, I just realized I had past that point myself some time ago).
I read from one of the QnA's that the older non BMF Falcon is being re-released this year.
I read that statement as a re-release (or additional shipments) of the BMF in the old blue & white packaging for e-tailers. I'm hoping that's the case, as putting out the old mold again would be ridiculous.
I can't say I would even want a Sail Barge at this point.
Kind of a silly question asking about a new Imperial Shuttle - come to think about it. I consider that thing to be a done deal and they nailed it with the 80's mold IMO. Sure they can tweak it, but I'm perfectly fine with the several I already own.
I can't see an AAT being made for the 3 3/4" line.
- Sith Infiltrator - Doubtful (it should be the size of the Queens Starship and Hasbro thinks we were lucky to get the POS we did)
I'm almost certain the reason Hasbro balked at the Twilight was because of the association with the super-popular vampire movies. Perhaps in a few years when the movies are all done and gone we'll get that vehicle.
Either a Clone Shuttle or Twilight... I cannot fathom anything else unless it's something yet to be revealed in the series. The weird deal with the Twilight is that it's been oddly written out of the series lately. Kinda like they missed their golden chance with that one when it was brand new and in steady use in the show.
Either a Clone Shuttle or Twilight... I cannot fathom anything else unless it's something yet to be revealed in the series. The weird deal with the Twilight is that it's been oddly written out of the series lately. Kinda like they missed their golden chance with that one when it was brand new and in steady use in the show.
I'm not a fan of a larger Gunship design - kinda like the smaller R2. I must have at least 10 various Gunships and I don't feel like ditching them and starting over again, but ya it could happen.
Maybe not in our eyes, but apparently they have to be selling well enough for them to keep making these things.
ESB - Rebel Transport
Like Jesse said...almost every single one of them has been clearanced and the amount and severity of clearance keeps growing.
Like Jesse said...almost every single one of them has been clearanced and the amount and severity of clearance keeps growing.
Anybody ever talk to Hasbro about the Attack Gunship? I wonder what happened to a lot of these that were at retail.
I know Amazon really clearanced them out, but it seems like all of Target's stock was pulled back (by Hasbro?). I don't recall these even hitting 30% off before being removed from the shelves.
I'll be surprised if AOTC 3D is released and there's not a Republic gunship reissue at least.
Hopefully they do a better job at the 3D conversion then they did for TPM. 95% of the TPM was not in 3D.
From a realistic standpoint or a toy standpoint? :) I can bull**** the former for you all day Lando.
From a realistic standpoint or a toy standpoint? :) I can bull**** the former for you all day Lando.
Of course! ;)
Well, I can think of a few cons for the realistic standpoint...
1. Structural weakness
2. Impractical...There are doors a few feet away
3. Once it's down, how is it reattached?
I can understand bottom-opening doors, but the floor falling out as a solid piece seems like a bad move.
I think speeder bike deployment is supposed to happen via a hatch in the back. At least according to the cross sections book. If they give us a larger version of the gunship, I would love to have that feature.
I'll be surprised if AOTC 3D is released and there's not a Republic gunship reissue at least.
I've seen a few tweets suggesting that the postponement of the 3D films means any chances we had of "big" stuff to go with them is gone too...
Also saw a few tweets that indicated that Hasbro pretty specifically said retail can't handle a $200 Sail Barge (re: #bringonethebarge petition). :(
I've seen a few tweets suggesting that the postponement of the 3D films means any chances we had of "big" stuff to go with them is gone too...
Also saw a few tweets that indicated that Hasbro pretty specifically said retail can't handle a $200 Sail Barge (re: #bringonethebarge petition). :(
You look at today's presentation and it's VERY CLEAR. We need to look at 2013 as a year to essentially reset the line and Star Wars as a whole. Until Episode VII gets into production and the Disney hype machine can get things rolling, I think we're looking at a pretty bleak year. Meaning no large vehicles. Especially when you don't have media to support the release of that large vehicle.
That's all well and good, but where does a Sail Barge figure prominently into Clone Wars seasons 5 or 6?
This isn't about busting chops or hating on people who want big vehicles. I'd love a Sail Barge.
This is about the fact that right now the market won't support it, and Hasbro doesn't have high enough confidence in the Star Wars brand to invest in the design, tooling, product safety testing and eventual marketing of a big vehicle. With a company the size of Hasbro this isn't a casual undertaking. A piece like this is a centerpiece that you build a line around. And engineering a vehicle line this is more complicated than pressing a big Castle Greyskull. The two items really are not that comparable.
And then you look at other things in the line:
BLACK SERIES 3.75" FIGURES - Only 19 being offered in 2013
CLONE WARS ANIMATED 3.75" FIGURES - DISCONTINUED
SAGA LEGENDS - Basic figures reduced to 5 POA, price point deliberately lowered to draw in higher volume sales
STARFIGHTER VEHICLES - Stripped down to smaller / simpler sculpts to meet a reduced price point
The only big chance Hasbro seems to be taking is on the BLACK SERIES 6" figures. And that seems to be tied in to a scale that has been more attractive to general toy collecting.
The line simply does not seem healthy enough to support a $150 - $200 vehicle. Perhaps in 2015 or beyond, following the Episode VII release we'll be in a position where Hasbro can take a chance on something like the Sail Barge.
Well not a lot of updates to this for a long time, and not Playset specific, but I thought I'd post in here an article I did with a review.
https://www.jedidefender.com/index.php?id=2651
(https://www.jedidefender.com/jmccracken/NovaUbiquitousDisplay2018/001_tn.jpg)
The review was from a sample we were sent by Nova, for their Ubiquitous Display system.
It's sort of like the GTP Space Walls, but different. I'd say the name explains it all fairly well, but they are a more customizable system. A bit more versatile way to make scifi/industrial/military looking backgrounds for your action figures. They're scale-neutral. They're interesting and while the concept isn't new, I would say it's not been this polished.
The sets are entirely injection molded plastic, no resin or 3D prints, and in general just the kind of thing I think collectors might enjoy having as a display option.
Check out my review please, and feel free to chat up the topic here till we maybe make a thread otherwise for it.
Thanks for the review Jesse! I might have to pick up one of the sets for my Alien display.
I noticed is has a USB connector for the LED lighting. I've been looking at a few options for running LED lights in my displays, but I'm trying to find something modular and battery powered. Are there battery packs that the USBs can plug into?
A Jesse James review. My day is now a better day! ;D
Give me a bigger Sandcrawler.
I'd love an expansive Cloud City or Death Star play set. If this format allowed for a re-release of the big Falcon I'd be all for it. I'd also be down for a modern take on the Ewok Village.
Give me a bigger Sandcrawler.
I agree, but given the retail offerings of the past five years, it seems like any larger vehicle with a realistic sculpt/proportions could be on the table. The Y-Wing could probably be about the same size as the Naboo cruiser toy, but we keep getting the same, small version.
Someone asked Hasbro at TF about a Sandcrawler, and not sure of the exact quote, but they effectively dismissed it. I look forward to the Disney one, because I'm a Jawa fanatic.
Imperial Cargo Ship from Rogue One
Scariff Playset
I'm wondering if we'll see some large scale sequel trilogy vehicles, as well as a full selection of SA figures for that trilogy? If so, I'd be tempted for sure.
The Incredible Cross Sections books actually have dimensions on the various walkers. They're also listed over at Wookieepedia. The AT-M6, per the book, is just over 36 meters tall. And the AT-AT is listed at 22.5 meters tall. During the battle on Crait it does appear that the First Order is using their own version of the AT-AT. And those seem to be dwarfed by the AT-M6.
Given how tall walkers like the BAT-AT and AT-ACT are? I don't know how Hasbro could feasibly package an AT-M6. Unless they can find a way to detach the legs for assembly by the customer. The box would just wind up being too big.
Wait a minute, they slightly altered something just to sell more? I'm outraged and stunned
The Incredible Cross Sections books actually have dimensions on the various walkers. They're also listed over at Wookieepedia. The AT-M6, per the book, is just over 36 meters tall. And the AT-AT is listed at 22.5 meters tall. During the battle on Crait it does appear that the First Order is using their own version of the AT-AT. And those seem to be dwarfed by the AT-M6.
Given how tall walkers like the BAT-AT and AT-ACT are? I don't know how Hasbro could feasibly package an AT-M6. Unless they can find a way to detach the legs for assembly by the customer. The box would just wind up being too big.
You're assuming that the AT-M6 would be to scale. The AT-ACT is horribly underscaled.
Score of scores today. I got a BMF, missing the three front missels, two landing gear and the remote. For $50 today. $50!!! This thing is awesome!
Yeah, that thing is like one of the crown jewels of my collection.
I want the Ghost. Something the Phantom could attach to.
HasLab is probably going to take a break from Star Wars for a while. I would expect that they almost certainly would not do another Star Wars campaign until the Sail Barge is delivered next year.
And from what I understand the concept is going to be used for other brands like Transformers and Marvel, so I would expect one of those licenses to roll out a campaign some time in the next few months. My guess is that they would do that around SDCC.
Maybe go smaller. An updated Skiff? How cool would a TFA replacement dish for the BMF be? Or maybe go with the AT-M6?
I think we will be disappointed when the next HasLab is not Hasbro.
The Ghost would be great, and maybe makes the most sense, if it shows up in future TV. I'd wager a updated Skiff will hit retail next year, to go along with the Barge. A re-release of the POTF mold is possible, but let's see something new.
Love all the ideas on the transport. Probably way down the list, but I'd buy it. The next SW HasLab will be TF next year, almost certainly, and it will be something massive like the DS or so left field no one will guess. But it's fun guessing.
I would absolutely be into a Ghost vehicle. Especially if it can interact with the previously released Phantom. But then there's the figure question. If you release the vehicle, you're going to need to support it with some figures. Would Hasbro make realistic Rebels figures, like they eventually did with the core characters from Clone Wars? It's a question worth examining.
I think Rebels is pretty much dead to Hasbro.
if it's older, does it have a degree of recognition and fan interest to make it of interest now?
Regarding other Haslab offerings, if the target is adults then I don't think current entertainment matters too much; it's probably the degree of recognition and fan interest that matters like you mentioned.
I'd LOVE a Rebel Transport. Always loved that ship.
Was anything learned at Toy Fair about what HasLab has in store for the next big item, or when that item was going to be announced?
So the barge has been out for a few months now, and it’s like 18 months since it was announced. Anyone else feeling like Hasbro might be set to announce a new Haslab item at Comic Con? I could be totally off the mark, but if they want to keep some momentum going, I feel like something should happen relatively soon.
It would be great to see a Death Star, but the last time Hasbro talked about HasLab they were still saying the next project would be non-Star Wars.
I wouldn't have guessed there is a market for $300 Cookie Monsters that you wait a year to get. Good for those fans I guess......
I guess we'd be wise to order one and then sell it and spend the money on Haslab's next next project....a life-sized doll of Pink Power Ranger Amy Jo Johnson.
That's the way to cookiemonstercrumbles. This is a red flag that Hasbro isn't renewing the Star Wars license. You just don't kill momentum like that. The Khetanna was a finalmilking oflove letter to collectors.
This based on a rumor I read from C. Little. :P
I guess we'd be wise to order one and then sell it and spend the money on Haslab's next next project....a life-sized doll of Pink Power Ranger Amy Jo Johnson.
Lol! I worked with her on Power Rangers. I had to lift her into the arms of a monster. The only way I could get her up there was to lift her from her behind. She actual said to me, "just push me up by my butt," But, she didn't say "butt." And I did. :)
True Story.
And again, I thought that Hasbro would probably gear the next Haslab project to another boys toys license: Transformers, Marvel, maybe even use it to re-launch GI Joe.
Does anyone know if the Sesame Street / Muppet collecting community thought at Haslabs inception that something like this was a possibility?
I know it's only a day, and I know the target number is 2k smaller than the barge, but at 159 backers this one seems off to a slow start to me.
I didn’t expect this either and had no idea they had a SStreet relationship at all but hey it’s not for me so whatever. I mean if I were stupid rich tho I’d buy this and put it in the car to use the HOV lane.
I also think Hasbro could have saved themselves some headaches by just coming right out and saying definitively early on that the next project would 100% for sure NOT be Star Wars. Even the most thick headed fan boys would have gotten the message.
I also think Hasbro could have saved themselves some headaches by just coming right out and saying definitively early on that the next project would 100% for sure NOT be Star Wars. Even the most thick headed fan boys would have gotten the message.
If Cookie Monster isn’t your style, maybe a brand new Unicron?
https://hasbropulse.com/collections/haslab/products/transformers-war-for-cybertron-unicron (https://hasbropulse.com/collections/haslab/products/transformers-war-for-cybertron-unicron)
https://news.tfw2005.com/2019/07/15/haslab-war-for-cybertron-unicron-crowdfunding-revealed-391400 (https://news.tfw2005.com/2019/07/15/haslab-war-for-cybertron-unicron-crowdfunding-revealed-391400)
$575. :o
If Cookie Monster isn’t your style, maybe a brand new Unicron?
https://hasbropulse.com/collections/haslab/products/transformers-war-for-cybertron-unicron (https://hasbropulse.com/collections/haslab/products/transformers-war-for-cybertron-unicron)
I will admit (based on some insider knowledge I have) that I was expecting one of two things to be next and this [Cookie Monster] was obviously neither of those two projects.
I will admit (based on some insider knowledge I have) that I was expecting one of two things to be next and this [Cookie Monster] was obviously neither of those two projects.
Unicron was one of those two projects I had heard was coming... the other is Star Wars based. ;)
It's not to scale....easy pass. Right Jesse?! :D
I don't collect Transformers either... but 8000 at $600 for a line that's collected less than Star Wars (as far as I know at least) seems like a tall order.
Outstanding...I worry too that it might be too ambitious in its numbers, but it’s a great choice and insanely cool looking toy. I am rooting hard for this one.
It's not to scale....easy pass. Right Jesse?! :D
Unicron was one of those two projects I had heard was coming... the other is Star Wars based. ;)
I REALLY hope you're not implying that a 3rd project announcement is on it's way
I REALLY hope you're not implying that a 3rd project announcement is on it's way
I make no claims that another HasLab announcement is imminent, just that there is definitely at least one more Star Wars idea in the HasLab parking lot as a potential project.
Actually, there are probably at least two Star Wars ideas in the parking lot since a Death Star Playset is so obvious a choice that it must be in the parking lot already as well. :-X
As somebody who has been paying attention to these things, I think the other upcoming Star Wars HasLab initiative is supposed to be a BS scaled X-Wing Fighter.
So does a somewhat embarrassing fail for Cookie Monster mean anything for future Star Wars Haslab releases?.......
So does a somewhat embarrassing fail for Cookie Monster mean anything for future Star Wars Haslab releases?.......
I doubt it. The Jabba's sail barge did very well. If anything this should have Hasbro focusing more on Star Wars.
So does a somewhat embarrassing fail for Cookie Monster mean anything for future Star Wars Haslab releases?.......
I doubt it. The Jabba's sail barge did very well. If anything this should have Hasbro focusing more on Star Wars.
So does a somewhat embarrassing fail for Cookie Monster mean anything for future Star Wars Haslab releases?.......
So does a somewhat embarrassing fail for Cookie Monster mean anything for future Star Wars Haslab releases?.......
I doubt it. The Jabba's sail barge did very well. If anything this should have Hasbro focusing more on Star Wars.
A year ago I thought Hasbro was rediscovering Star Wars and leaning into it pretty hard. Now it looks like they're getting ready to let it fade away...
I'm curious as to the financial impact of Haslab projects failing. I'd assume that the loss is factored into the decision to create a prototype and promotion for the campaign.
But, I don't think that this failure, or potentially the other, will effect the Haslab project overall. As long as Star Wars projects succeed, there's incentive to keep up with them.
Personally I think their aiming too big with the choices for Haslab.
Do a Yoda’s hut, or a Hoth Rebel Transport, or an Imperial Dignitaries 5-pack, or Vader on a funeral pyre... or the Tonnika Sisters... there are tons of affordable but somewhat pricey, smaller and mid-sized things they could do that collectors want but probably wouldn’t do well in stores. Not every project needs to be $500 or $700 and enormous.
Personally I think their aiming too big with the choices for Haslab.
Do a Yoda’s hut, or a Hoth Rebel Transport, or an Imperial Dignitaries 5-pack, or Vader on a funeral pyre... or the Tonnika Sisters... there are tons of affordable but somewhat pricey, smaller and mid-sized things they could do that collectors want but probably wouldn’t do well in stores. Not every project needs to be $500 or $700 and enormous.
BTW, nice of you to email about Unicron Hasbro, but where was my email alerting me that 6” exclusive Luke was up earlier this week? Premium members should have had first crack at that too.
Unicron hit 8,000 today. I don't know how much ******* had to happen behind the scenes to make it happen, but it's happening.
Unicron hit 8,000 today. I don't know how much ******* had to happen behind the scenes to make it happen, but it's happening.
Yeah, this seems highly suspect.
Right now it reads as "funded at 281%". Does that mean they actually sold 22,480 units when they had to extend the date by a month and as of the deadline they were just barely making their 8,000 benchmark?
Not sure in they've got the Enron accountants working for them or how they got there...
I was thinking earlier that $350 was crazy money to spend on a 26" figure and glad we don't have that in Star Wars. Now I'm shaking my fist at Lucasfilm for not giving us an iconic mega-large character that can be made into a super cool action figure. And no, Warbot does not count.
I personally feel it says something, Brian.
I love me some 3.75” figures, but this smoked the Barge for barely less really and in a scale that’s supposedly not cool... I dunno. Seems cool to someone.
I’m sure there will soon be the “spin” news posts on this but that’s pretty impressive turnaround on this backing. I think the upcoming TVC one will be telling on how with it TVC collectors are (or aren’t). I’m in no group that is as miserable, so it’ll be interesting.
I think there is a lot to take from this one, many points already made, but I think the biggest thing is that Marvel has remained virtually the same scale for the last 20 years, while Vintage/3.75 inch are seen as an "old fogey" type of line. Let's face it, people like us who visit collectors forums are a dying breed, and younger fans/collectors have moved to or started with the 6 inch line. They're more concerned about getting 6 inch style Clone Wars and Rise of Skywalker figures than they are getting vehicles we've wanted for 30 years.
I think there is a lot to take from this one, many points already made, but I think the biggest thing is that Marvel has remained virtually the same scale for the last 20 years, while Vintage/3.75 inch are seen as an "old fogey" type of line. Let's face it, people like us who visit collectors forums are a dying breed, and younger fans/collectors have moved to or started with the 6 inch line. They're more concerned about getting 6 inch style Clone Wars and Rise of Skywalker figures than they are getting vehicles we've wanted for 30 years.
Like others have mentioned, items like the TIE Fighter in that scale wasn't the best mover. that.
I think if Hasbro had went with a Death Star playset or some type of large version of the vintage Star Destroyer set would have been a much better mover than the Barge. I personally hope for a Death Star playset. I would sign up on day one for that.
Paging Adam Pawlus! (https://www.thathashtagshow.com/2020/07/27/did-the-vintage-collection-death-star-space-station-get-leaked-by-entertainment-earth/?fbclid=IwAR1--pXsGPCraOl45qd15WEb5tmm-hKHWD5zZVMYDxx8YtfyOCSD7p7nkjI)
Just sayin', if we're doing a Death Star play set, let's do a new and improved one.
Paging Adam Pawlus! (https://www.thathashtagshow.com/2020/07/27/did-the-vintage-collection-death-star-space-station-get-leaked-by-entertainment-earth/?fbclid=IwAR1--pXsGPCraOl45qd15WEb5tmm-hKHWD5zZVMYDxx8YtfyOCSD7p7nkjI)
That's weird that its a vintage box with TVC logo.
I won't turn down a Razorcrest. If it's an OT item I'm guessing it's the Cantina.
A sure fire launch would be the Razorcrest with two Blurgs, Quill, IG, multiple childs (in pram, in backpack for IG to wear), Karga and Moff Gideon, plus special edition Mando.
Just sayin', if we're doing a Death Star play set, let's do a new and improved one.
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I have no interest in buying a reproduction of the vintage one.
Just sayin', if we're doing a Death Star play set, let's do a new and improved one.
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I have no interest in buying a reproduction of the vintage one.
I have 2 of the original and have to admit that I'd buy more. But, what would the cost of an official reproduction be? $100 feels way too much.
They should have done the Palitoy Death Star with Tarkin right out of the gate instead of the boardgame--it would've been nearly the same materials, and made a lot of collectors happy!
I'm (nearly) all in on Star Wars 6" figures but have virtually no interest in The Rancor.
Not sure if this was talked about already… but would you buy a large scale AT-M6, say… $450?
I hear you guys, I guess I just hope that HasLab doesn't become a way for them to do re-sculpts of existing vehicles. I iike it for big stuff that just can't get done in the regular line.
Y-Wing's and B-Wing's should just get made the same way the X-Wing and Slave I were over the last few years.
Give my left nut for a 1/18 UWing. Not truncated but a true 1/18. It’s mostly wing so like a tie fighter it’s reasonable, and it should be bigger than the larger ships they’ve done already (that are undersized) so it wouldn’t make them look off or anything.
I’m to the point though, big ships kinda need to be pretty damn special because the barge and RC will be absolute hogs together in anyone’s collection. Something would probably have to go, or go into storage ultimately.
I'm holding out hope that the ANDOR series will prominently feature the U-Wing.
I also had an idea for a Haslab, unrelated to this - the LAAT/C (Republic Gunship AT-TE carrier) with an AT-TE. Clone Wars still has such a strong fandom, and it's crossing over into The Vintage Collection with greater regularity. This could be one of those dream releases that Haslab was designed to take on.
Was talking with a friend this morning and wanted to ask the questions here too... seeing what you get for $230 with theJabba'sTBOBF Throne Room, how are you guys feeling about a Death Star Playset?
- Would you want any DS Playset to be more modular and something in-between the $50 walls and the $230 Throne Room - like $100 trash compactor, $60 Conference Room, $250 full Detention Cell level with cells, etc? Then you can pick and choose what to buy/skip.
Was talking with a friend this morning and wanted to ask the questions here too... seeing what you get for $230 with theJabba'sTBOBF Throne Room, how are you guys feeling about a Death Star Playset?
- Would you want to spend $1k on a similar set that was like 4 of the Throne Room sets stacked on top of each other (thinking along the lines of the Kenner DS set)? I'm hoping it'd be way less than $1k since there wouldn't be 4x the accessories of the Throne Room, but still it's gonna cost a LOT if they go this route.
- Would you want any DS Playset to be more modular and something in-between the $50 walls and the $230 Throne Room - like $100 trash compactor, $60 Conference Room, $250 full Detention Cell level with cells, etc? Then you can pick and choose what to buy/skip.
- Have you come to the realization that this stuff is just trending too expensive and not worth it anymore? Like $50 for a Tantive Hallway is one thing, but $250+ for a diorama is crazy?
Based on the size (large, and movie set-accurate) of the Jabba's Throne Room, I could see individual rooms from the Death Star coming in this range. Places like the control room with the red computer, the detention block area, the conference room, etc. I can easily see each one of those areas being a $200 Pulse set. Sure, give them a similar footprint to make them stackable for those who want to build a Death Star tower, plan that in, why not?
But they are missing out on serious scratch if they don't try to do a Death Star Hallway in the $50 retail range and make it in a very similar vein to the Tantive IV Corridor from last year, leaning more into the modularity.
There was a Death Star droid in the Navarro Cantina? I haven’t watched it in awhile and am fuzzy on the details. I wouldn’t mind grabbing an extra to put there if that’s the case.
I want the cantina owned by Maz Kanata just so we can get those aliens.
The best part about a potential Cantina playset is that they'd probably revisit that scene for new figures to go with it.
I saw a social media post from Jayson that the preorders for the Throne Room were already 1/3rd of the way to the sold out milestone. I'd love to hear what those numbers are, but I also understand the need to protect sources.
I would consider that fairly insanely low for a Star Wars item that required massive tooling investment (if that is the case). That’s much more in the realm of what “boutique” toy line runs are like. And they often do sell out. Would be curious how it compares to the other sets out.
My other choice would be the Emperor's throne room, since we just got a new Emperor for that, along with the window. It's super toyetic (all of Luke and Vader's 3rd act action was here), and it could be an avenue for them to "complete the 96" by including Sim Aloo, who would absolutely tank of pegs by himself.
I feel like the Sarlaac would be a great environment, since it "connects" with the Sail Barge and Skiff(s), with all the figures related to that. It also appears in new media (BOBF), and Return of the Jedi's 40th anniversary is next year.
Unfortunately the Throne Room probably only has five figures that interact with it during the movies. I'd love to see this element built in to a Death Star playset, but I'm really not that interested on its own.
Unfortunately the Throne Room probably only has five figures that interact with it during the movies. I'd love to see this element built in to a Death Star playset, but I'm really not that interested on its own.
Remember that guy (I think he was somewhere in South America) that made that huge 3.75" scale Sandcrawler? I'd love Hasbro to do something like that!
Legend.Remember that guy (I think he was somewhere in South America) that made that huge 3.75" scale Sandcrawler? I'd love Hasbro to do something like that!
Michael Fright!
https://michaelfright.com/star-war-model-sandcrawler/
He also made a Rebel Blockade Runner that was scaled to 3.75" scale that he hauled around on a flatbed semi.
https://michaelfright.com/worlds-largest-starwars/
Unfortunately the Throne Room probably only has five figures that interact with it during the movies. I'd love to see this element built in to a Death Star playset, but I'm really not that interested on its own.
+1 I want playsets that let me stash a lot of different figures in there. Cantina, Sandcrawler, Rebel Briefing, Ewok Village, Echo Base, etc. Jabba's Throne room is ideal, though even that I'm a little less interested in because of the barge. I wouldn't want a big playset for Dagobah or Emperor's Throne Room or Ahch-To Island because I'm only going to dedicate a few figures to something that takes up a big chunk of space.
Remember that guy (I think he was somewhere in South America) that made that huge 3.75" scale Sandcrawler? I'd love Hasbro to do something like that!
Michael Fright!
https://michaelfright.com/star-war-model-sandcrawler/
He also made a Rebel Blockade Runner that was scaled to 3.75" scale that he hauled around on a flatbed semi.
https://michaelfright.com/worlds-largest-starwars/
Anybody got insight in to when Hasbro may take another shot at a Star Wars Haslab item (hopefully 3.75") now that the Reva lightsaber has not funded.
Wasn't the Boba Fett's/Jabba's Throne supposed to be a Haslab that wasn't?
| Project | Status | |
| Black Series Reva (The Third Sister) Force FX Elite Lightsaber | FAIL | |
| G.I. Joe Classified Series Cobra H.I.S.S. | Funded! | |
| Marvel Legends HasLab Ghost Rider: Engine of Vengeance | FAIL | |
| HEROSCAPE AGE OF ANNIHILATION: Vanguard Edition | 50% with 13 hours left | |
| Transformers Generations HasLab Deathsaurus | 81% with 27 days left |
They are saving a ton of money throwing these ideas out there with minimal development involvement and seeing that nothing is sticking.
I don't think they are trying to have a perfect record, they have this minimal-risk option now to see if they can grab a bunch of money, without the years long development and retail risk.
I feel like the Rancor is a great test case of that. It was totally a "would you guys buy this if we made it?" It was designed to make Hasbro money, hence the repacks of Jedi Luke and Gammorean. If it was a "fans keep asking for X, how can we do that" type thing designed for fans, then it would have included 'obvious' figures like 6" Oola and 6" Malakili from the start.
Cantina play set with Tonnika Sisters.
30,000 backers easily.
Does the Ghost have a TVC crew? Do they come with it?
To me Ghost is a perfect Haslab candidate. A big, risky item that fans clearly want and they’d need to secure preorders for to get funding. Obviously it depends on the production threshold, but I think it would make it’s number pretty easily unless they set it absurdly high.
-The Ghost. This seems like more of a longshot since REBELS is more of a niche than the films or the live action Disney+ shows. But if it turns up in the AHSOKA series? That might give it a serious shot
To me Ghost is a perfect Haslab candidate. A big, risky item that fans clearly want and they’d need to secure preorders for to get funding. Obviously it depends on the production threshold, but I think it would make it’s number pretty easily unless they set it absurdly high.
Make it compatible with the Phantom that was released when the show was airing?
Make it compatible with the Phantom that was released when the show was airing?
I don't know if I like that. I'd hate to compromise the scale/size of Ghost to accommodate the old Phantom. I'd rather they just build a new one into a HasLab Ghost. There are probably plenty of people who didn't buy that tiny Phantom and would skip this if it has a gaping hole/spot where it was supposed to go.
How about a TIE Defender? Though it would likely lead to some folks buying multiples, then again it might be harder to get the balance right from a value proposition perspective on a smaller ship.
Similar to The Ghost, The Twilight is another option that probably missed its timing from a supporting media point of view.
I might be the only one but the TIE Defender was a design that never did anything for me. I thought it was clunky and silly looking and felt like a boring attempt to just do more TIE's.
I can't imagine paying much more than $100 for a fancy TIE and HasLab items seem to be $250 minimum.
I'm curious what other vehicles people might want to see if Hasbro should bring back vehicles in a meaningful way.
I'd much rather go all-in on a re-release of the TIE Interceptor. I only have one of those from the new tooling, and I'd like a couple more.
The first time we saw the TIE Defender was in that Rebel Assault game in the '90s, right? I kind of felt like "toss another wing on there" was in full effect with that design, but Rebels definitely did make it seem cooler. No one can convince me the TIE Crawler isn't a crappy design though.
I’m still holding out hope for an Imperial Cargo Shuttle from Rogue One that would have the rest of the Rogue One crew as stretch goals.
For me, I'd be most likely to back a project from the OT, Rogue One, Andor, The Mandalorian, or the 3-D Animated series. I'd be much pickier projects from Solo, the Prequel, or Sequel trilogies.
I'd much rather go all-in on a re-release of the TIE Interceptor. I only have one of those from the new tooling, and I'd like a couple more.
The first time we saw the TIE Defender was in that Rebel Assault game in the '90s, right? I kind of felt like "toss another wing on there" was in full effect with that design, but Rebels definitely did make it seem cooler. No one can convince me the TIE Crawler isn't a crappy design though.
Sure, but that's an easy update to a really good existing mold. That's not a "big items of the future" / Haslab style thing. They could do that so easily if they wanted to bother.
It’d be the size of a horse.
Looking at the past five HasLab projects:
Project Status Black Series Reva (The Third Sister) Force FX Elite Lightsaber FAIL G.I. Joe Classified Series Cobra H.I.S.S. Funded! Marvel Legends HasLab Ghost Rider: Engine of Vengeance FAIL HEROSCAPE AGE OF ANNIHILATION: Vanguard Edition 50% with 13 hours left Transformers Generations HasLab Deathsaurus 81% with 27 days left
That's not exactly a smashing success rate. Hasbro went 7-for-8 on the first 8 projects (RIP Cookie Monster) but they are tracking to go 4-for-8 on the last 8 projects (RIP Rancor, Reva Saber, Ghost Rider, and probably Heroscape).
Seems like it's time for another Star Wars 3.75" HasLab if you ask me... Hasbro could use a HasLab win and I could use a Mos Eisley Cantina, Death Star, or Krayt Dragon or something...
After a third successful 3.75" scaled Star Wars HasLab, what do you think Hasbro does next?
- do they get bolder with big money non HasLab things (like the $230 Throne Room playset) and offer a few more direct to Pulse?
- do they go right back to the HasLab well with another 3.75" SW next year?
- do they give non-3.75" SW another HasLab try? And if so, what do you pick that is popular enough for what it'll cost?
Also imagine getting items this large every single year?!
-Millennium Falcon - SOLO deco
Maybe even something like the unproduced POTF2 Death Star! I know some pics of that have been circulating around social media in the past day or so.
I have been obsessing over a sketch Jayson did of a potential Death Star Haslab mockup he saw
Do you have a link to share? Interested to see which rumored version this is...
He posted it here:
https://forum.rebelscum.com/threads/the-ghost-8-561-backers.1151891/page-9 (https://forum.rebelscum.com/threads/the-ghost-8-561-backers.1151891/page-9)
Why would you need Vader's meditation chamber? That was on his Star Destroyer.
Why would you need Vader's meditation chamber? That was on his Star Destroyer.
In the scenes cut from the beginning of Return of the Jedi, the first place Vader goes upon his arrival at Death Star II is his meditation chamber.
Something like the Y-Wing or B-Wing would be great
After the Ghost, I'd really like Hasbro to have mini-Haslabs that focus on never-before-made figures multipacks that wouldn't sell well at retail. Have a focus on Jabba's Skiff/Barge guards, Cantina denizens, characters that interacted with the Razor Crest, characters that interacted with The Ghost, Jedi, Ewoks, Partisans... the possibilities are endless. Make the packs on cards (like the 3 packs we've been getting) but put them in the $100-150 range (for 4-5 figures). They could do this a couple times a year, once during a big Haslab campaign, and I think collectors would be for that. But I know I'm only dreaming.
After the Ghost, I'd really like Hasbro to have mini-Haslabs that focus on never-before-made figures multipacks that wouldn't sell well at retail. Have a focus on Jabba's Skiff/Barge guards, Cantina denizens, characters that interacted with the Razor Crest, characters that interacted with The Ghost, Jedi, Ewoks, Partisans... the possibilities are endless. Make the packs on cards (like the 3 packs we've been getting) but put them in the $100-150 range (for 4-5 figures). They could do this a couple times a year, once during a big Haslab campaign, and I think collectors would be for that. But I know I'm only dreaming.
After the Ghost, I'd really like Hasbro to have mini-Haslabs that focus on never-before-made figures multipacks that wouldn't sell well at retail. Have a focus on Jabba's Skiff/Barge guards, Cantina denizens, characters that interacted with the Razor Crest, characters that interacted with The Ghost, Jedi, Ewoks, Partisans... the possibilities are endless. Make the packs on cards (like the 3 packs we've been getting) but put them in the $100-150 range (for 4-5 figures). They could do this a couple times a year, once during a big Haslab campaign, and I think collectors would be for that. But I know I'm only dreaming.
I’m 1000% behind this.
Haslab doesn’t have to be $500 items. It could be things that they wouldn’t put in a store, to test out sales before hand. Let’s see if an Imperial Dignitaries 5-Pack would sell or not!
You say you are 1000% behind the idea, but at what pricepoint does your enthusiasm wane? 5 figures for $150 is premium for sure, but really not that far off from the World Building pack prices, so i am kind of skeptical that it would land there as a low-run, all new tool figure pricepoint. Would $50 or $60 apiece figures still be appealing if they are doing 5,000-10,000 figure runs?
And fanboys love stretch goals, how would that even be approached on such a set?
Looking at the past five HasLab projects:
Project Status Black Series Reva (The Third Sister) Force FX Elite Lightsaber FAIL G.I. Joe Classified Series Cobra H.I.S.S. Funded! Marvel Legends HasLab Ghost Rider: Engine of Vengeance FAIL HEROSCAPE AGE OF ANNIHILATION: Vanguard Edition 50% with 13 hours left Transformers Generations HasLab Deathsaurus 81% with 27 days left
| Project | Status | |
| G.I. Joe Classified Series G.I. Joe Assault Copter Dragonfly (XH-1) | Funded! (248% of goal) | |
| Star Wars The Vintage Collection The Ghost | Funded! (272% of goal) | |
| Marvel Legends HasLab Giant-Man | Funded! (139% of goal) | |
| Ghostbusters Plasma Series HasLab Two in the Box! Ghost Trap and P.K.E. Meter | Base Package Funded with 42 days left to hit tiers... |
When was the Skystriker? Was that already two years ago?
Bad Batch: Havoc Marauder (The Marauder would finish off the Bad Batch (since I believe Hasbro said they'd finish the team)).
Andor: Luthen Rael's Fondor Haulcraft
Rogue One: U-Wing
Mandalorian: Mandalorian Gauntlet Assault Craft
Ahsoka: Ahsoka's T-6 Jedi Shuttle
Someone posted a list of their desired Haslabs on anotheR Site, which Jayson made the comment that one will be the next Haslab.
List below:
Episode I: Naboo Royal Starship
Episode II: LAAT/C Gunship Carrier
Clone Wars: Twilight
Episode III: Turbo Tank
Bad Batch: Havoc Marauder
Solo: Lando's Millenium Falcon
Obi-Wan Kenobi: Inquisitor Shuttle
Andor: Luthen Rael's Fondor Haulcraft
Rogue One: U-Wing
Episode IV: Mos Eisley Cantina
Episode V: GR-75 Medium Transport
Episode VI: Imperial Lambda Class Shuttle
Mandalorian: Mandalorian Gauntlet Assault Craft
Book of Boba Fett: Boba's Rancor
Ahsoka: Ahsoka's T-6 Jedi Shuttle
Episode VII: First Order Troop Carrier
That someone was JD regular Nicklab.
Someone posted a list of their desired Haslabs on anotheR Site, which Jayson made the comment that one will be the next Haslab.
Someone posted a list of their desired Haslabs on anotheR Site, which Jayson made the comment that one will be the next Haslab.
I moved this over here since the speculation is more about what Jayson said and this is a bit more active part of the forums these days...
Crazy how we all just plunked down $500 and we're already champing at the bit to get started on the next mega-$ project for Hasbro to sell us. :)
What do people think on timing for the next Star Wars HasLab, and do you think they'll try something non-TVC?
But I’m curious - the Transformers and Marvel teams have also had multiple successful Haslab campaigns. Did any of those launch before a successful Haslab campaign was delivered?
I know we talk about this all the time, but I'd love to see more frequent, smaller Haslabs... do stuff you wouldn't normally do at retail and see how it goes even if it's not a massive real-estate hogging vehicle...
Do an Imperial Dignitaries 5-Pack for $100...
Or some stuff from ROTS that got glossed over because they basically killed the 5-POA line right when the movie released...
I only have so much space left for Ghost-sized things anyway, and I bet I have more room than most people.
As for $150 - $200 vehicles? I have some hope there. The U-Wing is on my list of vehicles that might work in that range. And so is the Imperial Gunship that's been in REBELS, TM season 3, and AHSOKA.
HasLab gross sales, based on current "final" total for 21,768 for The Ghost:
Galactus - $12,324,091.89
The Ghost - $10,883,782.32
Razor Crest - $9,838,568.89
H.I.S.S. - $8,031,332.28
Sentinel- $7,655,331.27
Barge + Razor Crest + The Ghost = $25.1 million in gross sales. $25.1 million in TVC HasLabs. I hope you are paying attention to that, Hasbro.
HasLab gross sales, based on current "final" total for 21,768 for The Ghost:
Galactus - $12,324,091.89
The Ghost - $10,883,782.32
Razor Crest - $9,838,568.89
H.I.S.S. - $8,031,332.28
Sentinel- $7,655,331.27
14,737 x $449.99 = approx. $6.6mil in gross sales (+/- $0.7mil)
Who would have guessed the Cantina would have had the least value of gross sales out of that list? I do wonder if the Cantina has the biggest margins. They seem to have offered a lot less sculpting, engineering, and materials than other Haslabs. I paid only $60 more for Unicron and the engineering for him had to be crazy.
And I'm not sure there are any figure pack-ins that would make a Death Star a must have for people that were on the fence.
I'm not sure there are any figure pack-ins that would make a Death Star a must have for people that were on the fence.
I've been thinking the same thing. Unless they add all the Imperial Dignitaries as a base or tiers to a Death Star project.
And I'm not sure there are any figure pack-ins that would make a Death Star a must have for people that were on the fence.
I've been thinking the same thing. Unless they add all the Imperial Dignitaries as a base or tiers to a Death Star project.
Would people want an improved TVC Darth Vader TIE, Jedi Starfighter or A-Wing?
My interpretation of your question would be "do people want an improved TVC Darth Vader TIE, Jedi Starfighter or A-Wing for $100? $100-125 seems to be the going rate for a starfighter sized ship these days for better or worse (Merrick's X-Wing, E-Wing, Mando N-1).
I'd probably be down for an all-new tooled Vader's TIE for $100 if it were detailed enough but I think I'd be a "wait for clearance" guy on a new A-Wing or Jedi Starfighter at those prices.
Could see an Ewok Village as another good candidate if they think this went well.
Wuher was a given. Tonnika sisters sold the set. While Greedo is iconic to the scene, we have so many of him. The other two we also had, while not as nicely detailed as the tiered version.
Wuher was a given. Tonnika sisters sold the set. While Greedo is iconic to the scene, we have so many of him. The other two we also had, while not as nicely detailed as the tiered version.
The Wolf Man was all new no?
Could see an Ewok Village as another good candidate if they think this went well.
GI Joe Classified 6" Rattler - (rumored) - not even announced yet and tons of buzz from Joe collectors.
Think 2025 is going back to the TVC well? Maybe back to a vehicle since those sold a bit better than the playset did last year?
Are they worried about overloading TVC fans so it's time to go back to the BS6" crowd?
I would like to renew my desire to have an Ebon Hawk as a Haslab.
It would force Hasbro to load us up with KOTOR I & II figures.