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Collectibles => Post-Sequel Trilogy 3.75" Lines => Topic started by: Rob on November 9, 2023, 10:00 AM
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I wasn’t sure where to ask this so I’m doing it here, maybe we need a new thread or forum section…
What’s the deal with these low articulation 4” Epic Heroes figures Jayson posted on IG this morning?
Are they part of the regular 3.75” line and represent a return to some level of 5-POA offerings in non-TVC packaging? I’m trying to figure out if they’re something I’m collecting and at a glance they look like they would be.
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I wasn’t sure where to ask this so I’m doing it here, maybe we need a new thread or forum section…
What’s the deal with these low articulation 4” Epic Heroes figures Jayson posted on IG this morning?
Are they part of the regular 3.75” line and represent a return to some level of 5-POA offerings in non-TVC packaging? I’m trying to figure out if they’re something I’m collecting and at a glance they look like they would be.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F-fqscJXUAAGzHc.jpg) (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F-fqscEXwAAW-9n.jpg)
I don't have any more details than Jayson shared, but it seems like they are a Star Wars attempt at what they have been doing with the Marvel line (see the 4" Epic Hero Series X-Men '97 figures (https://www.amazon.com/Marvel-XMN-4IN-Figure-Winchester/dp/B0BDHTRZBV) as an example).
If they are like the Marvel/X-Men Epic Hero stuff, they will be slightly out of scale compared to all the existing 3.75" stuff.
[edit - updated pic]
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Ah okay, interesting. If they're a different scale, I won't collect them. I guess we'll wait for more details.
Feels silly for Hasbro to not just keep them to scale with everything else if the shift is so small, but they'd be doing me a favor if they don't line up in that regard.
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TVC proves it's popularity by backing all three TVC Haslabs made.
TVC is way behind Black Series in new characters and product in general.
Hasbro's solution: create a new 4 inch 5 POA line that does not fit in scale with TVC. ::)
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TVC proves it's popularity by backing all three TVC Haslabs made.
TVC is way behind Black Series in new characters and product in general.
Hasbro's solution: create a new 4 inch 5 POA line that does not fit in scale with TVC. ::)
I really don't get this at all. Why not 3.75" 5POA? I've said it a million times that I'd be glad to buy all new 5POA figures if that is what it would take to hit profit margin targets. TVC is great and I hope they keep it going, but the slow trickle of new figures is leaving huge gaps that I would be glad to have filled by new 3.75" 5POA figures.
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Star Wars needs an introductory line for the 1:18 scale. How many 8 year olds are clamoring for TVC figures right now? Or their parents who are not existing collectors?
I’ve seen Hasbro’s Marvel Epic Hero Series figures. They’re not up to the standards of the old Marvel Universe line, but they’re not garbage. They’re an introductory series that can offer vehicles that won’t break the bank. In fact , I already have some of the Marvel Epic Heroes figures from GotG volume 3. I need to compare them for height with some current TVC figures. I think some people might be getting unnecessarily hung up on the 4” figure thing.
This line makes sense in advance of the release of the “Skeleton Crew” series. That’s supposed to feature a number of kids in the cast. A line like this seems like it could support that Disney+ series in real time and reach that broader audience.
Plus, this line could be a way to get more 1:18 scale vehicles back on the shelves of the big box retailers. Lots of collectors recognize what junk the electronic 12” figures are, but they’re keeping that lower shelf space that used to be occupied by vehicles. A vehicle line that consists of ships that are all priced above $100 is not friendly to the market. TVC vehicles have been amazing, but they get released at a very slow rate. A $30 to $40 assortment of vehicles is much more accessible to the broader market and has the potential to generate volume sales. I don’t think for an instant that this will replace the Vintage Collection, but it can definitely help build out worlds at a more affordable price point.
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Star Wars needs an introductory line for the 1:18 scale. How many 8 year olds are clamoring for TVC figures right now? Or their parents who are not existing collectors?
I’ve seen Hasbro’s Marvel Epic Hero Series figures. They’re not up to the standards of the old Marvel Universe line, but they’re not garbage. They’re an introductory series that can offer vehicles that won’t break the bank. In fact , I already have some of the Marvel Epic Heroes figures from GotG volume 3. I need to compare them for height with some current TVC figures. I think some people might be getting unnecessarily hung up on the 4” figure thing.
This line makes sense in advance of the release of the “Skeleton Crew” series. That’s supposed to feature a number of kids in the cast. A line like this seems like it could support that Disney+ series in real time and reach that broader audience.
Plus, this line could be a way to get more 1:18 scale vehicles back on the shelves of the big box retailers. Lots of collectors recognize what junk the electronic 12” figures are, but they’re keeping that lower shelf space that used to be occupied by vehicles. A vehicle line that consists of ships that are all priced above $100 is not friendly to the market. TVC vehicles have been amazing, but they get released at a very slow rate. A $30 to $40 assortment of vehicles is much more accessible to the broader market and has the potential to generate volume sales. I don’t think for an instant that this will replace the Vintage Collection, but it can definitely help build out worlds at a more affordable price point.
I totally agree there needs to be a more value oriented line. TVC is way too expensive for kids/moms.
The part I don't understand is the move to 4". Why can't they stay with 3.75" for the value line (e.g. 5POA). We've got 45 years of 3.75" history. If you keep it at 3.75" you'll get long time collectors and soccer moms. If you go to 4" you'll still have your soccer moms but you're going to lose a lot of your collectors.
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They had it right back when Solo was coming out with Force Link 2.0.
There were super articulated figures and then they filled out other characters with more limited articulation. I can only assume that wasn't making them the money they wanted it to or they'd still be doing it. But like others are saying here, making these into a separate line by adding like 1/16th of the size to them and changing scale seems like a huge miss to me.
I'd love a 5 POA line if it let us get more obscure figures made and the sculpts were decent. TVC is great, but I don't need 30 points of articulation, I want variety.
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Jayson has a new post saying the 4” scale is not a new scale, that what we call 3.75” and this 4” are both the same 1:18.
I generally don’t doubt him. I guess I’ll wait and see if they feel like they fit later and go from there.
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Even within the 3.75" lines of the past there have been clunkers that were way too short or way too tall. Might as well wait to see these in comparison shots before getting too upset about scale.
Potential scale issues aside, so far I am not seeing anything that I need to buy. Just more main characters that I already have...
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Even within the 3.75" lines of the past there have been clunkers that were way too short or way too tall. Might as well wait to see these in comparison shots before getting too upset about scale.
Potential scale issues aside, so far I am not seeing anything that I need to buy. Just more main characters that I already have...
Agreed.
Even if they can create a "Greatest Hits" line that collectors mostly ignore, it could create some momentum at retail and maybe they'll make vehicles, playsets, etc. that are new. It could lead them to then start making some new figures we're interested in (Andor, Ahsoka). It might also pull some of the repaint/repack/kitbash stuff out of TVC and allow that line to get more new and creative stuff in it.
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I like how they did Luke, in his black ROTJ duds, with a backpack, and no Yoda. Doesn't make a lot of sense...
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I like how they did Luke, in his black ROTJ duds, with a backpack, and no Yoda. Doesn't make a lot of sense...
I wonder if it is meant to be from TBOBF and the back pack is for the Grogu?
These look like stinkers to me. I don't love 5 POA, but if the line had good sculpts, paint apps, & character selection, I would have been interested. As is they look like an easy pass for now.
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The backpack symbolizes how Grogu left him for another man(do).
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I wonder if it is meant to be from TBOBF and the back pack is for the Grogu?
Yeah, since all these figures are found in the Mandoverse I'd say that is supposed to be BOBF Luke.
I'm interested to see the backs of the cards - do they have any figure/item cross-sells, info about the show they are from (aka ads for the Disney+ shows), or just a whole bunch of multi-language text and a UPC.
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Jayson has a new post saying the 4” scale is not a new scale, that what we call 3.75” and this 4” are both the same 1:18.
I generally don’t doubt him. I guess I’ll wait and see if they feel like they fit later and go from there.
I've got the GotG Epic Heroes figures. They do not come across as substantially larger than Star Wars TVC figures at all. I'm going to have to take some comparison photos to illustrate any differences.
Generally, I think people are getting hung up about 1/4 inch. I think for the purpose of talking about a figure line whole numbers are probably the easiest way to communicate that. Talking about 1:18 scale or 1:12 scale or whatever else isn't helpful for most people. And with The Vintage Collection there's a pretty wide range of figure heights from character to character. I would say the sky is most certainly not falling here.
If this line can bring us some new items quickly? Along with some vehicles that might not make the cut in TVC? Go for it! I think this could be a great way for Hasbro to deliver the Pirate Snub Fighters from TM season 3, or the fighters seen in AHSOKA without it breaking the bank. Does anyone here think those are an immediate priority for a TVC vehicle? I think they're low on the list there. But they could work in a medium vehicle line with a lower price point.
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I always considered the 3.75" and 4" lines the same 1:18 scale. I just say 3.75" because that's how the Star Wars small figs were always referred to.
Using 6', or 72", as the standard height/length, 1/18 of that is 4". Mark Hamill is 5'8", or 68". (Different internet sources list him anywhere from 5'-7" to 5'-9".) That's 3.778". Close enough to 3.75", which is what we generally call the Star Wars small figures.
My fuzzy logic. :P
But as was mentioned already, we'll see.
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Pre-orders are open for these now at EE -
Basic Figures Wave 1, Case of Six -> https://ee.toys/XZLFHW $63
1x Ahsoka, 1x Luke, 1x Grogu, 1x Mando, 1x Vader, 1x Stormtrooper
Deluxe Figures Wave 1, Case of 4 -> https://ee.toys/FF70TP $52
2x Paz, 2x Sabine
Deluxe Figures Wave 1, Set of 2 -> https://ee.toys/FGQ3N1 $26
1x Pax, 1x Sabine
#sponsoredpost
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I'm getting big 1995 vibes from that Vader.
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Pass on the figures. I had been hopeful that Hasbro would articulate these figures at least as well as the Marvel Epic Heroes figures. But those hopes have been dashed. I'm not going to buy these mostly because I'm not the target market. And that's going to remain the case until there's a character in the Epic Heroes line that just has not been, or is unlikely to be offered in the Vintage Collection.
My hopes for the Epic Heroes line lie with the potential for vehicles. So let's wait and see what develops.
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Pass on the figures. I had been hopeful that Hasbro would articulate these figures at least as well as the Marvel Epic Heroes figures. But those hopes have been dashed. I'm not going to buy these mostly because I'm not the target market. And that's going to remain the case until there's a character in the Epic Heroes line that just has not been, or is unlikely to be offered in the Vintage Collection.
I'm 99% leaning the same way.
I intended to collect the Young Jedi Adventures toys. When I saw them, I just couldn't bring myself to collect them for space-sake. The same rationale goes for these, the exception being a cool figure/accessory/beast/vehicle we'll unlikely see in the "collector" line in the near future.
Happy they're being made by Hasbro. Hopefully it's successful enough with:
- x-over sales from the collector-focused lines
- gift buyers for younger kids ("So-and-so likes Star Wars. I can get 3 of these colorful toys for less than 2 of those. (Those == the TVC or Black Series.))
- kids, who probably has a fleeting interest in SW toys but would enjoy the features
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Have we heard if these are getting picked up by major retail (Target, Walmart)? I assume that is what these are designed for.
I'll be interested to check these out in person and probably pick and choose here and there - looking at you Stormtrooper. I don't think I'm going to chase this whole line but I do like where they're going with this and would much rather see figures like this than Retro figures. Retro is cute and all, but I'd rather get a $10-12 Mon Mothma 5POA in a modern style than a $10-12 Mon Mothma in a Retro style.
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Have we heard if these are getting picked up by major retail (Target, Walmart)?
Jayson has some DPCI info in his mega-rumor list (https://yakfaceforums.com/main/2023/01/03/2023-master-upc-dpci-sku-list/), so it seems these should be at retail to some degree.
My hopes for the Epic Heroes line lie with the potential for vehicles. So let's wait and see what develops.
I'm hoping that we can finally get like a basic Blurrg or that wolf thing from Ahsoka or other things beyond just vehicles too with this new line.
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A Blurrg or a Howler would definitely be nice. But IDK if Hasbro will go there with a creature in this line.
I think it's more likely that we might see vehicles in the Epic Heroes series. And probably something that's on the simpler side. I think we can *POSSIBLY* look to the Marvel Epic Heroes line and its vehicles for an idea of what might happen. But I'm have a difficult time figuring out what that might include if the vehicle line is going to hit a price ceiling of $39.99.
I hope this will not be an excuse to re-release the REBELS speeder bike in new deco for Sabine. I'd prefer that to be re-made from the ground up in TVC as it's seen in AHSOKA.
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Man I don’t know about a Blurgg in this line… I’d want that one to be TVC level stuff.
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These are starting to trickle onto Amazon now...
Ahsoka -> https://amzn.to/3U5DcBy
Luke -> https://amzn.to/42actpt
Grogu -> https://amzn.to/3S5RaAP
Mando -> https://amzn.to/3S94p3I
Vader -> https://amzn.to/3S4v3uK
Stormtrooper -> https://amzn.to/3S2S413
#sponsored #ad
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Thanks Jeff, I snagged the three that are in stock...
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Tempted to grab that Ahsoka…
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Well, Luke got here today. Overall (and this is probably obvious from the promo photos), I'd say it's a less detailed version of the 5-POA stuff they were doing during Forcelink. It's harmless, but definitely basic as hell, and of course the character selection is basic too.
It doesn't feel like good value for almost $11 with tax...
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Just got Sabine, Paz, and Ahsoka... the accessories on the deluxe ones are so bulky and devoid of detail that they really really feel like little kid's toys compared to basically everything else Hasbro has ever done at this scale. I'll be trying to hide them on these shelves...
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It is odd, I've now seen several people praising these (& 5-POA in general) on Reddit, and the posts were getting a decent amount of engagement. Not that, that is a very scientific barometer of people's interest in these in general but I did think it was interesting. I'm curious how many people (kids vs adults) actually LIKE these and what value they have that Retro or TVC does not. As an adult collector, there is nothing here that remotely interests me that I can't already get in TVC, Retro, or older lines. Even as a little kid I feel like I would have greatly preferred TVC, any would have been fine with the Retro figures over the Epic Hero series.
If Epic Hero was a return to ForceLink style 5-POA w/ good sculpts and paint I could see a place for it, but as is, I just can't get on board with this line and it will be interesting to see how long it lasts...
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Yeah I'm not sure it's that, although maybe it's a gateway to that? For example, here's a pair of previous 5-POA Jedi Lukes from a few years ago next to this new one... the new one is definitely over-sized (despite all the talk about these 4" figures being 3.75" scale, they do seem big). The detail is less, the sculpt is clunkier, and they're definitely cast with a firmer plastic that has basically no bend in it. Like, look at his feet compared to the others, they're huge. And only a small bit of that is an effect of the lensing, the new one is definitely significantly bigger.
Articulation aside, these definitely are super generic, almost cartoony / childish sculpts compared to what we've grown to expect. As a collect-'em-all guy, now that I have a few of them in-hand, I'm hoping the line is short lived.
(https://i.imgur.com/VTtDqwo.jpeg)
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Articulation aside, these definitely are super generic, almost cartoony / childish sculpts compared to what we've grown to expect.
Thanks Rob for the comparison. I think I'll be passing on all of these unless they make something truly new and interesting.
Holding out hope that maybe the supporting vehicle or speeder line Jayson rumored for these will offer something useful/exciting and not also be dumbed down, out-of-scale type things.
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Holding out hope that maybe the supporting vehicle or speeder line Jayson rumored for these will offer something useful/exciting and not also be dumbed down, out-of-scale type things.
I expect the vehicles will have some kind of play feature like oversized missile or pullback motor and simplified paint deco. No biggie to me; it is billed as a kid toy-line. If it looks fun and, as you say, properly scaled, I'll pick it up. But, yeah, that comparison pic...
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Yes thanks Rob. I canceled my Stormtrooper pre order and any thoughts of it being army building worthy.
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No problem guys. Since there aren't 5-POA examples, here are comparisons to TVC versions for the other three I have... I feel like Ahsoka is the least offensive, but also really not a necessary figure on any level.
(https://i.imgur.com/PHJ5IOi.jpeg)
(https://i.imgur.com/rH9qzEM.jpeg)
(https://i.imgur.com/6wIQmxe.jpeg)
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Thanks for reminding me how bad that TVC Sabine removable helmet is... :-X
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I was really hoping that 4" really meant 3.75", but it does look like these are all truly a little bigger. Very, very stupid. I am all in favor of a 3.75" 5POA offering, but a 4" 5POA line is beyond stupid.
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Thanks for reminding me how bad that TVC Sabine removable helmet is... :-X
Lol, it's hideous.
I was really hoping that 4" really meant 3.75", but it does look like these are all truly a little bigger. Very, very stupid. I am all in favor of a 3.75" 5POA offering, but a 4" 5POA line is beyond stupid.
I'm really stuck on this line... on one hand, it's basically the same, on the other hand it does seem slightly off. I'm just erring on the side of collecting them for now, I can always get rid of them later I guess.
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I saw figures from this line at WalMart today...if they had Luke I would have bought him.
They had 4 pegs, 2 for the Basic figures and 2 for the Deluxe. But the thing is, each peg was earmarked for a different individual figure.
That's not so bad for Sabine and Paz, they worked out just fine. The basic pegs were for Mando and Vader, and each figure was loaded enough that these must be shipping in solid freaking cases. Why have an assortment if you don't sell them by assortment?
This is where I think Hasbro is shooting their lines in the foot, with the widget mentality. This line will only survive as a kids line if the kids can find the figures. Mando and Sabine vs Vader and Paz is not going to be anybody's play pattern.
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Today was the first time that I've seen these in a store. And while I might have been optimistic about this line when it was first announced, the comparison images on social media were enough to help me make up my mind before even seeing these firsthand. I glanced at them, but it didn't seem to be worth my time to even take them off the pegs, which was kind of sad.
As for the possible vehicles? Having seen some of the Marvel ones in their Epic Heroes Series line, I'm not feeling terribly optimistic.
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Hasbro finally sent out a press release for this line today. Nothing new in there, so not bothering to post them here. Only interesting thing to note is that Hasbro PR says these will be Walmart exclusive (even though we've already seen Amazon and EE taking pre-orders for them). I guess maybe Walmart is the only brick and mortar retailer for them?
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Which makes the 4 pegs/1 figure each layout even more perplexing for an 8 figure lineup. How do Luke, Grogu, Ahsoka, and the Stormtrooper get to retail?
I saw the same 4 peg layout at a second WalMart today and have seen pics verifying it elsewhere. This will be a weird one to watch play out.
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How do Luke, Grogu, Ahsoka, and the Stormtrooper get to retail?
Walmart loves those aisle-blocking shippers. Maybe they'll have those with the rest of the figures. Or, Walmart is just a cluster and those 4 pegs will be over in the auto-motive section or something. Walmart gonna Walmart.
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Cripes. It's like the took all the worst parts of the 2002 era figures and mashed them up with the5-POA era stuff and ran them through a factory that churns bootlegs. "Lets take all the things that piss off the diehards and put them in one product."
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... mashed them up with the5-POA era stuff and ran them through a factory that churns bootlegs.
That is what these look like. Bad bootlegs.
I bet if they put these same figures (maybe colored strangely) on Uzay cards they'd sell a bunch to collectors.
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Hasbro finally sent out a press release for this line today. Nothing new in there, so not bothering to post them here. Only interesting thing to note is that Hasbro PR says these will be Walmart exclusive (even though we've already seen Amazon and EE taking pre-orders for them). I guess maybe Walmart is the only brick and mortar retailer for them?
Oh good, if they’re Walmart exclusives maybe the line won’t last too long.
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I saw these this week at Walmart too, only 1 store out of the 6 or so I checked had them though. The only ones they had were Paz and Sabine too, but she is the one I really wanted so was happy to pick her up. Probably won’t open her since it doesn’t look like a good mesh with the other animated figures, but I’ll grab an Ahsoka if I see her too.
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Jayson commented that the Press Release was incorrect, and that the Epic Heroes series was not exclusive.
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Jayson said that, and Adam Pawlus kind of seconded it in his QnA column this week, saying the figures were all open to order for all, which makes sense seeing as his workplace Entertainment Earth also sells them.
Mr. Pawlus also said there is already a Wave 2 that hasn't been officially revealed, and went on to say "it might be a while before Hasbro feels like actually playing up what could be a pretty interesting development," though it is not clear exactly what he is referring to at this time.
Either way, he concedes it is possible that WalMart might be the defacto exclusive retailer if Target passed up on ordering any, but time will tell on that. For the record, the new carded Marvel Epic line is at Target already, but not the carded Star Wars Epic line yet.
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I've taken issue with Adam ever since around 2014 when he tried to put a positive spin on 5 POA figures. While I can appreciate that he has some inside knowledge on account of his employer, I feel like he was trying to shine a turd when he took that position on effectively dumbing down the 3.75" figure line.
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Party like it's 1995.
(https://i.imgur.com/6uKhdPU.jpeg)
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After over a decade of really nice super-articulated figures, I just can't go back to 5-POA.
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And now for something truly ridiculous... Grogu. I'm starting to regret these purchases.
(https://i.imgur.com/vruF9hC.jpeg)
He's slightly larger than the Black Series 6" scale Grogu:
(https://i.imgur.com/6bQY9mE.jpeg)
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He's slightly larger than the Black Series 6" scale Grogu:
(https://jedidefender.com/jsmentek/lol.gif)
That is my favorite one so far...
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Me too. It might as well have been put out by Playskool.
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Rounding wave 1 out... here's Mando in his elevator boots...
(https://i.imgur.com/vXgrAwU.jpeg)
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Thanks to Jayson I found a full bin of these today at Walmart in the Easter toy section. Grabbed Ahsoka which is all I wanted. Curious to see who will be in Wave 2.
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Curious to see who will be in Wave 2.
Wave 2 @ EE (https://ee.toys/N83IYS) -
1x The Mandalorian (repack)
1x Darth Vader (repack)
1x Darth Maul
1x Bo-Katan Kryze
1x Moff Gideon
1x TBD
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For the first time ever I’m glad there are repacks. Only four to buy this wave…
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For those buying these (Rob), do you think one could make a squad of Stormtroopers that would look OK if they were not with regular 3.75 figs?
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They are pretty bulky and missing some black paint, especially the visible white neck. And they have hexagonal weapon ports on their arms. These all detract from really displaying with other more "realistic" modern figures.
That said, I bought 2 to pose ironically squaring off with some POTF2 Rebel Fleet Troopers. They are much better in that setup than other modern Stormtroopers or POTF2 ones, which have aged very poorly.
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Looks like the first wave of these are 20% off at Amazon now; Ahsoka even cheaper than that...
$5.59 Ahsoka -> https://amzn.to/3U5DcBy
$7.84 Luke -> https://amzn.to/42actpt
$7.89 Grogu -> https://amzn.to/3S5RaAP
$7.84 Mando -> https://amzn.to/3S94p3I
$7.84 Vader -> https://amzn.to/3S4v3uK
$7.84 Stormtrooper -> https://amzn.to/3S2S413
#ad #sponsored #thanksforyoursupport
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I should have known better than to buy these things right away.
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I don't go to retail enough to be able to track turnover of the pegs. Does anyone have any sense for if these are moving or not?
I'm not a fan of a slightly different scale and hope these die and turn in to a 5POA 3.75" line. I do think there needs to be a more value oriented line for the masses, but I really hate the different scale.
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Does anyone have any sense for if these are moving or not?
From what I have seen at Target, Mando, Grogu, and Vader sell through pretty quick. Ahsoka and Luke, not so much. Stormtrooper is sort of hit or miss.
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Lol, what am I doing with my life?!
(https://i.imgur.com/kAC0HeS.jpeg)
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Lol, what am I doing with my life?!
Hopefully finding some small enjoyment out of knowing that you own every possible variant that exists.
We all know how much you prefer "all new" characters, so at least take solace in knowing a few of those are coming to this line soon (Beskar Armor Gideon, Grogu/IG-12).
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Ha!
And yes, one of each, it’s fun. It also drives me to buy dumb stuff and keeps
me from helping vote with my wallet.
I definitely would rather they not bother with new figures in this line.
Send them to TVC!
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I saw a bunch of new figures at Walmart over the weekend including single carded Moff Gideon and the 2-pack version with Bo Katan. (He has different gear of course) I ended up buying Darth Maul for some reason but I will probably return it because $20 for that thing is ridiculous. I can’t even recall where he looked like this anyway.
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Good grief. I bought the regular Darth Maul the other day (will add my traditional photo-for-kicks thing here later)... it's probably the best looking one they've done so far but that's because it looks just like the 1999 versions. He's just a little larger of course.
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Presenting, Taul Maul.
(https://i.imgur.com/Q6DKVf4.jpeg)
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Presenting, Taul Maul.
From a "these are for kids" perspective, I get it, but I still think it was such a weird choice to go with a pure 4" scale figure line. All of them seem to be taller than their 3.75" scale friends.
I still haven't picked any of these up and more and more it's looking like I never will (the first Han Solo in this line will test me though).
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Yeah agreed. I’m realllll on the fence about buying them but every time I skip a subline I regret it later. I’m buying them as a better-safe-than-sorry thing, but if they were just crummy 3.75” scale figures a lot of completists would be buying them. They seem to sit at retail, around here at least. I can’t imagine the line has real longevity.
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I bit the bullet and bought the armored Moff Gideon. And that's my first and only purchase from this line so far. There just isn't one in the line, and I have no idea when Hasbro might make one. And I think they might be banking on this kind of mentality - again, they're doing the double dip.
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I'm getting to the point where I want to start waiting, they keep putting the same figures in 2-packs and stuff. Now there's a 3 pack of Mandalorians with a Paz Vizla in it...
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Thanks everyone, sincerely. It was days after my 50th birthday, such a wake up call for what the rest of my life means to me.
I did not intend to derail the thread!!
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Did you mean to post that in the Acolyte thread? :)
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Ha! Yes! Now I'm just derailing all the threads!
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Ha! Yes! Now I'm just derailing all the threads!
You have a stroke too?
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Nice!
Not that I know of. ;D
I read the forum here in "Recent Posts" mode, so the boundaries between threads are negligible. Still, I try to respond to the correct replies and up until yesterday I have always done a good job!
As far as the Epic Hero line, I bought Luke and a couple Stormtroopers, but I'm not excited about jumping into a Mandalorian line as this seems to be morphing into. Wal Marts seem to stock them as solid cases of individual figures and have been moving product with discounts and clearance prices, to a level I would call it a success so far. Target seems to stock it as assortment cases that are usually wiped out on any given day. The deluxe size seems to move slower. The line is probably not for me, I would be more plugged in to OT stuff.
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Saw the new Darth Maul with the armor today at Walmart.
They wanted $19.84 plus tax for it.
Which is crazy.
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I have been trying to get my mind around how that Maul pack warrants a spot in the Build-Up assortment with the 2-packs, and the only rationalization I can come to is that the 2 packs didn't cost out as cheap as they had initially planned, so a single figure pack is there to balance out the whole assortment. And Maul in an alternate costume was was determined to be enough of a draw.
I would be interested to know if he was intended to be half of a 2 pack originally, and who the other half might have been planned as?
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Yeah I mean, that could be it. But also ouch... I keep debating on if I need to collect every variant because they're adding accessories in multipacks and vehicles and to this point I've been able to resist that. I don't think I want to use more shelf space and spend more money because my Bo-Katan or Mando doesn't have a jetpack or because my Gideon doesn't have a flame thrower.
Speaking of Bo-Katan, this one made me laugh a lot.
(https://i.imgur.com/aalXLSG.jpeg)
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Went into Ross yesterday and they had a bunch of Epic Heroes Mandos…
$5.49 each.
More than they charge for TVC. Lolz.
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I saw that at my store too, Rob! What a weird price.
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Saw a handful of the Epic Mando today at a local Ross for $3.99. So your mileage may vary.
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I see Walmart rolled back the price on Darth Maul to $12.88. Keep rolling, lol
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Next wave... of course this line would get SM-33 before BS6" or TVC did. ::) Not sure what is going on with the lightsabers there either... interesting design choice.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GhLeXhgWkAAd5wl.jpg) (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GhLeXhgWUAAOMTe.jpg)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GhLeXhhXcAACgm2.jpg) (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GhLeXhiXEAA2JW_.jpg)
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Yeah this line is getting worse and worse every time they show new product. I’m really hung up about if I should keep collecting them or convince myself that 4” scale is not 3.75” scale and scrap the endeavor. I haven’t been able to make a decision yet so by default I’m grabbing them to keep the collection complete and I feel gross every time I open one.
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Just another thing Hasbro is doing to take resources away from TVC. How long will we have to wait until we get an SM-33 in TVC?
Hell, The Bad Batch is going to be finished nearly a year and we have yet to get anyone but Hunter in TVC!
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From what Hasbro has publicly stated, lines like the Epic World of Adventure are geared specifically towards kids. And they also have a distinctly different development budget than TVC or The Black Series.
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If they don't announce sm-33 in tvc, I might just be buying my first Epic-whatever figure. The Yoda/pram ( just kidding) looks pretty good, too.
I hope unless Hasbro's studies show kids want more articulation, they aren't doing it to chase the "collector" crowd. I imagine more articulation would equate to a higher price point, which would suck for kids and the adults who buy these for kids.
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Couple more upcoming DLX shared by Jayson (https://x.com/yak_face/status/1889665140389273754):
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GjlwbcjWAAANbTd.jpg) (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GjlwbciXoAA2WYV.jpg)
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What is that Chewbacca supposed to be from? Or is it just a made up outfit?
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I think he is inspired by the ROTS Wookiee armor but just as made up as the Mech-suits that they re doing in this line.
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What is that Chewbacca supposed to be from? Or is it just a made up outfit?
2002. These would fit in with screaming Mace Windu.
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The gear with Chewbacca could have been colored a leather brown and gold, and it would have driven up the potential appeal dramatically. But I suspect the bright colors are meant to draw in parents and kids.
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It's pleasantly surprising that a few grab my interest enough that I'd consider buying them as a stand-in until the character is made in TVC. In the case of Chewie, the accessories are part of the lure. Dang it, Hasbro, you're starting to reel me in. :P
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There's definitely a temptation to get the Chewbacca. And it would be with the intention of painting the accessories to make them look like something in ROTS.
On another note? I saw the Imperial Speeder bike in person. And I'm tempted to get it because of the basket that you can attach to the side. But the thing is, I want to get 2 of those baskets and put them on the Tatooine speeder bike. SMH, this is getting out of hand!
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SM-33 on Amazon (https://amzn.to/4hR3lNN)
#ad #sponsoredlink #thanksforyoursupport
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Thanks, Jeff. My app opened when I clicked on the link. Hopefully you're credited.
I did a double-take when I saw the total. Haha. So used to seeing TVC pricing.
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I reluctantly ordered one.
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All the Walmarts around me are clearancing these out now…I picked up the Bo Katan/Moff Gideon 2-pack for $5 today.
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I found that last week… I figure at that price I’ll buy the duplicates for the accessory changes…
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I found the new stuff at Target last night...
Do any of you know if the Darth Vader in the big Mech Suit set is the same as one of the two regular release Darth Vaders? I'd love to not have to buy that one.
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Do any of you know if the Darth Vader in the big Mech Suit set is the same as one of the two regular release Darth Vaders?
The Mech Suit Vader has the "tech lines" on him on either side of his chest box (those red circuit diagram lines type deco, same as they have on the Mando and Stormtrooper).
I can't find a good pic, but I think that makes him different/unique from the others... here's a pic from Jayson/Yakface twitter (https://x.com/yak_face/status/1905440829826617602):
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GnF8U0DXoAAH396.jpg)
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Ah dammit. I didn’t think of the tech lines.
That settles that then!
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I'm probably the only one who cares about this, but I picked up the 'new' Darth Vader and also the Darth Vader from the 2-Pack with the Stormtrooper and they have different pelvises. They're otherwise identical as far as I can tell. So that makes four Darth Vaders in this line that are all at least slightly different from eachother.
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Mechs! The Mechs themselves will promptly be going into storage...
(https://i.imgur.com/3eBoCkZ.jpeg)
(https://i.imgur.com/HrN6laE.jpeg)
And here are 3 of the 4 Vaders, with a new TVC Vader... I can't remember where in the collection the first Epic Heroes Vader went, so it's not pictured... the Scale on the Vaders isn't ridiculously large, if anything they're the same or slightly smaller than the TVC ones, so that's interesting...
(https://i.imgur.com/0icH8w4.jpeg)
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More stuff that I don't think has been posted here yet...
(https://i.imgur.com/MwioeRq.jpeg)
(https://i.imgur.com/XmIUiHf.jpeg)
(https://i.imgur.com/6nweb6T.jpeg)
(https://i.imgur.com/JzgTq5J.jpeg)
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Wow!
Looking at those photos makes me wonder if the Epic Heroes line could morph into something like the 30AC or Legacy line down the road. Those look significantly more appealing than the first iteration of 4inch figures. And coming from someone who took a long break since the antenna-clone era, looks more familiar too.
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The biggest problem to me still is the 0.25” difference in intended scale.
If Hasbro just made them 3.75” they’d have at least slotted in more seamlessly with the rest of the line despite the lesser sculpts.
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The biggest problem to me still is the 0.25” difference in intended scale.
I see a lot of people buying them saying "they fit in fine" but then I see pics like this one from Rob and I wonder what they mean by "fine".
(https://i.imgur.com/aalXLSG.jpeg)
It's all subjective I guess. As a separate sub-line posed together as some sort of homage to Kenner/5POA/POTF2 style days, I guess I get it.
I do applaud Hasbro making the effort to get a cheaper line of figures into the hands of kids, but these do nothing for me (I have too much of this stuff already as it is). Maybe at some point I'll bite on something like a vehicle but for now I'm happy to just ride along as a watcher on this line.
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I really wish they had done this line in 3.75" 5POA. I would buy every one of these, but the 4" scale looks off in a lot of cases.
Just opened a bunch of 5POA figures from The Last Jedi and they're pretty sweet. I love TVC, but a well done 5POA figure is just fine too if its in scale with everything else.
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Yeah I'd agree with you Jeff.
Some of them are close and kind of okay, some of them are outright ridiculous (when compared to TVC I mean).
But they seem to be getting a little closer on scale with some (Vader) and are adding limited articulation. I wonder if they're evolving it to fit a little bit more.
I'm only collecting them because the couple of times I've skipped things I wasn't sure of, I regretted it later. I figure it'll be easier to give them to a niece or nephew later if I change my mind than to track them all down.
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Looks like SM-33 is back on Amazon. I ordered one to see if I could experiment with some paint myself. At $8, it's worth a try.
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Caved on Yoda today. I really like the sculpt on him.