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Community => Watto's Junk Yard => Topic started by: Chris on May 1, 2004, 12:27 AM
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I would like to make everyone aware that JediDefender is instituting a new formal policy that states:
No political and/or religious threads are to be created without the prior approval of a staff member here at the site. As a general rule, these threads do not have a place at JediDefender and the staff member approval is used only for an extraordinarily special circumstance. I can see where some may feel that this is unfair, but to keep the peace as well as the fun and mature atmosphere, it has to be done. I have never seen any good come from one of these threads and feel it is in everyone's best interest to not allow the threads.
I know that everyone has an opinion, and each should be heard so this thread will remain open. Thanks!
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Outstanding idea.
We love Chris Berry.
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It's unfortunate that a formal policy had to be adopted to discourage any conversation regarding real-life events including life, death, war, politics, & religion. I guess the people here aren't mature enough to handle a discussion in those areas. Sad, really. Oh well, this policy is a small, petty victory for the faint of heart & the meek. Yay.
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It's unfortunate that a formal policy had to be adopted to discourage any conversation regarding real-life events including life, death, war, politics, & religion. I guess the people here aren't mature enough to handle a discussion in those areas. Sad, really. Oh well, this policy is a small, petty victory for the faint of heart & the meek. Yay.
Damn. You're cool. It's a ****ing Star Wars board, ass. If you want to talk religion and politics, go elsewhere.
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Hey, you play nice Adam! :P ;)
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It's unfortunate that a formal policy had to be adopted to discourage any conversation regarding real-life events including life, death, war, politics, & religion. I guess the people here aren't mature enough to handle a discussion in those areas. Sad, really. Oh well, this policy is a small, petty victory for the faint of heart & the meek. Yay.
Damn. You're cool. It's a ****ing Star Wars board, ass. If you want to talk religion and politics, go elsewhere.
So you're saying that the nature of all discussion here should be Star Wars related? Why does Watto's Junkyard exist? If you want to talk about movies, music, & more, go elsewhere.
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There's always Rebelscum for debate about politics and religion.
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I get around 3 reported posts a month...the last three threads dealing with these subjects have generated3 reports each
Its a hard thing to talk about, I've seen the effects (Bush v Gore in 2000 at CSW specifically) to know that bad feelings result.
I see your point totally FG, I think that we can talk about anything else under the sun here but when it comes to politics all hell seems to break loose because people feel so strongly about the issues that personal insults (such as Adam's) result
Things like the upcoming election are big discussions waiting to happen and I would hope people would play nice, experience says otherwise
Contemplations?
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Force Guy, it's the general consensus here, long before you showed up, that this would be a place where we'd like to see politics and religion avoided if possible; 2 subjects that most of us feel contributed strongly to RS being a flame fest and a place where disrespect is common place.
So the administration here has spoken, it's a rule now not to have politics thread, and that's the end of it.
Do you really want to continue this argument? Just let it go.
Increase the peace!
:)
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Its a hard thing to talk about, I've seen the effects (Bush v Gore in 2000 at CSW specifically) to know that bad feelings result.
I see your point totally FG, I think that we can talk about anything else under the sun here but when it comes to politics all hell seems to break loose because people feel so strongly about the issues that personal insults (such as Adam's) result
Things like the upcoming election are big discussions waiting to happen and I would hope people would play nice, experience says otherwise
Contemplations?
I have to agree with what Scott has to say about all of this. I saw CSW community which was close at the time turn on each other because of the whole 2000 election. For a while the talk turned so badly that Mike (webmaster of CSW) made it a point not to have political or religous threads at the site. A year or two later this ban was removed and the same dead horse came back up but only many times worst.
I'm glad JD has decided to make this decision beacuse I don't want to see this place turn into RS version 2.0 which in the past couple of days it started to look like.
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I'm down.
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I hope political threads havent ruined a good thing we had here...
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I have to agree with what Scott has to say about all of this. I saw CSW community which was close at the time turn on each other because of the whole 2000 election. For a while the talk turned so badly that Mike (webmaster of CSW) made it a point not to have political or religous threads at the site. A year or two later this ban was removed and the same dead horse came back up but only many times worst.
I'm glad JD has decided to make this decision beacuse I don't want to see this place turn into RS version 2.0 which in the past couple of days it started to look like.
As a capital offender of such things mentioned above at CSW. All to often people can not detach themselves enough from there own anchored thoughts to consider that someone elses opinion is just that and nothing more. Far to often when a good debate is all that's intended ultimately someone gets offended no mattter how one approaches the issue. Like I said I'm a big instigator and often polarize my thoughts to get a discussion started. Although I don't agree with Chris, Jedi defender community has always impressed me as one with highy intelligent indivuals who have a ridiculous hobby, I have to appreciate his wishes...so i'll be emailing you a lot chris for permission ;)
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I think throwing in my personal opinion here would help some to understand where we are coming from in regards to the administrative standpoint. I personally think that the policy sucks. In my opinion, anyone here should be able to express their views and debate on a subject. I feel as if everyone here is restricted now, in a small way. I am in no way for banning opinions and/or beliefs but I indeed came to this conclusion so that our love of collecting and visiting the sites and forums would be able to continue. I think that is more important than going back and forth with someone until it gets to the point where you are now not enjoying the forum from the collecting standpoint.
If people could let things be, then we could allow both. I have solid evidence that we can't and thus this policy is in place. If you look at the huge problem that Collect Star Wars had in regards to this (2000 election), the large failure of Rebel Scum's forums for allowing these and other types of threads, and the small things that have occurred here, anyone with reason could see why I have decided not to allow this.
No one can say that you can handle both, because you can't. It has been proven by the snide remarks then made in the collecting/movie related forums to those that you do not agree with. It cam down to allowing all threads and postings, or keep the great community of collectors that love coming here everyday. I chose to keep the friendships and sense of community.
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I chose to keep the friendships and sense of community.
And this is the biggest reason why I'm going to be here, and not at scum. I really started to not enjoy scum at all for your aforementioned reasons, now my transition to this place is complete.
This place has no choice but to rock with a policy like this.
It was a no-brainer.
:D
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I can see why you decided as such. However the Military Draft thread didn't turn hostile, it may have been precived as such, however I can honestly say my comment had no intensions of hurting Mainlands feelings or any Californians for that matter, it was just a joke one that indeed I have mentioned befour to Mainland on IM. I dunno, call this part of my post personal reconsile since the thread was closed befour I could reply to my repremand...
Anywho, I support this decision.
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It wasn't really viewed terribly negatively Vator, not by me (who pointed it out), but it was viewed as detrimental and not really constructive. A basis to the decision I believe, that Chris and the staff here have made.
I'd like to take this moment to point out that if you DO have major disagreement with this decision, that it's not the other guy's fault so much as I am the one who's pushed for this "rule" more than anyone I think.
I believe the W&P thread, and any spin-offs frm it, have been major "problems" at Rebelscum for some time now.
It's not that the people here (or there for that matter) aren't mature enough to handle discussion of these topics, but rather that absolutely nothing good ever comes from them. Nobody makes anyone change their mind once. I've never seen that happen ever in any of those threads.
They simply breed hatred between opposing viewpoints, or at least a general dislike of each other, be it liberal vs. conservative, religious vs. atheist, etc...
A major point I've always made is that I have lots of very conservative/Republican friends. My best friend whom I grew up with and went to Cub Scouts with even, is a die-hard Republican. We fight if we discuss politics... There's no way around it. I'd do anything for the guy, but things get ugly if we discuss politics.
So, we make the MATURE decision NOT to discuss it... We don't change each other's minds, so nothing positive is gained in an argument, so we don't discuss it.
Generally the W&P type discussions are discussed maturely overall, but that doesn't mean they are positive. They do nothing but to breed ill-will among you guys, and that's not constructive here in the slightest as I see it.
I just spent a day hanging around Bill Cable and Bobafett14 at Pittsburgh's Toy Show & Comic-Con... They're great guys, and I had a blast hanging around both of them, but I can safely tell you I agree with you most of the time (politically) Force Guy, and I disagree with Bob and Bill 90% of the time.
I had a blast with those guys today because I don't talk politics with them though. They're both fun guys, great to hang around, and Bob's become a really nice friend to me... Even if I truly dislike his political opinion. I'm not gonna change it though, and he's not able to change mine, so why push each other apart debating a moot point between us?
Sure we can do it maturely, but it still fosters anymosity no matter how mature we both may be. It does the same between yourself and members you debate with.
I think if it were Star Wars related (not that that should foster anymosity, but often it does... Myself included), the site wouldn't take any measure because it's what we're here to discuss and disagree on.
These topics are so serious though, that the anymosity isn't simplistic, and it becomes deeper, and it ruins what otherwise is a strong harmony in the community... If that makes sense. I think that's our intent with the rule. And we're just asking that you guys respect it, and if you really want to keep the discussions going then Rebelscum's got a whole thread devoted to it there, and they can deal with the consequences. It's their problem, and one I feel they've negligently perpetuated, personally.
We won't though... We want all you guys to get along as best you can, even if you disagree politically, and just avoid that stuff so you CAN get along as best you can.
You'll inevitably still disagree with each other about various things, but maybe to a lesser degree, and for other reasons that aren't as serious or "hurtful" in the long run, as they are in topics like War, Politics, or Religion, and the like...
Again, if you really are upset about this, don't be as upset at the rest of the staff here as much as you should be at me. I pushed this a little harder than the rest did for certain. I do not, however, disagree with the decision Chris ultimately made, and I feel it's entirely correct.
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These topics are so serious though, that the anymosity isn't simplistic, and it becomes deeper, and it ruins what otherwise is a strong harmony in the community...
For the record - After some initial animosity - Dressel is my favorite republican ever.
(no sarcasm either)
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I respect the decision here at JD 100%, and I appreciate the posts from the staff here (particularly JJ's & OCB's) explaining the reasoning behind the decision. I'm not angry with the decision, just a bit disappointed. I mean, it's a shame that we can discuss silly & relatively meaningless things such as wearing/not wearing underwear, cat enemas, birthdays, the Wampa's left horn, etc., but we can't discuss the important real-life events taking place such as a war that has cost 738 lives (and that's not a political statement, that is reality). Don't get me wrong. I know that political discussion can become very heated very quickly, so I understand. Precautions need to be taken. It's just a shame that we can't discuss what's really going on (political or otherwise) in this world. Oh well, time to start a "Favorite Jelly flavor" thread. :)
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I respect the decision here at JD 100%, and I appreciate the posts from the staff here (particularly JJ's & OCB's) explaining the reasoning behind the decision. I'm not angry with the decision, just a bit disappointed. I mean, it's a shame that we can discuss silly & relatively meaningless things such as wearing/not wearing underwear, cat enemas, birthdays, the Wampa's left horn, etc., but we can't discuss the important real-life events taking place such as a war that has cost 738 lives (and that's not a political statement, that is reality). Don't get me wrong. I know that political discussion can become very heated very quickly, so I understand. Precautions need to be taken. It's just a shame that we can't discuss what's really going on (political or otherwise) in this world. Oh well, time to start a "Favorite Jelly flavor" thread. :)
Apple.
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For the record - After some initial animosity - Dressel is my favorite republican ever.
(no sarcasm either)
That's the reaction I was going for.
You're not alone.
:)
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I support the idea. And I realize it is a tough decision to put any restrictions on an open forum. I don' t think it is a decision to stop any of the current members, but as the forum grows, it is a genie that you wouldn't be able to put back in the bottle and you would end up with the RS situation.
But at the same time, I have to admit, I don't go into the Political Threads. I get enough politics when I'm not in the forums.
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I can understand why the decision was made. There are forums that are completely open to these kinds of debates, and maybe those are the places to go for that kind of talk. But I like the sense of community here, and its good to come somewhere that doesn't breed animosity.
That being said, can we start using the "S" word soon? It could be like, a trade... ;)
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That being said, can we start using the "S" word soon? It could be like, a trade... ;)
Sure Ed. Just do it like this: $h!t. Close enough, eh?! :P (and no - you don't get busted here for "trying to circumnavigate the language filter", like at other places... ;))
But we've discussed whether we're going to loosen the language filter a little more... Maybe it'll happen. Maybe not. But we're taking the idea under advisement. We'll keep you posted!
In the meantime, just enjoy using ASS to your heart's content though. :-*
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In the meantime, just enjoy using ASS to your heart's content though. :-*
You can bet your ass I will! 8)
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****!
I had no idea we could say ASS.
That's F'N' great!
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I love the W&P thread over at RS (really it's the main reason I check Wuhers), but I gotta say I'm thankful there won't be one here. I won't end up having to write everything twice over.
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I love the W&P thread over at RS (really it's the main reason I check Wuhers), but I gotta say I'm thankful there won't be one here. I won't end up having to write everything twice over.
What's the difference? We've all said everything 900 times each over at Wuher's...
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Well, thanks ass isn't as great as other words, but it's better than nothing I suppose.