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Title: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: CHEWIE on July 15, 2005, 09:19 PM
The new Bib Fortuna, Han Solo and Princess Leia look great!!!  Finally, after about 9 years, resculpts of these characters!!

Bib Fortuna - simply wow... so much better looking than the old version... I am so glad they are finally remaking him... much better than my customizing attempt from a few years back... I can finally convert this version I made into a random Twi'lek background character or make a few changes for him to be a TPM version -

(http://www.thecustomalliance.com/cook/starwars3s012.jpg)

Han Solo - looks great too, and a definite needed new addition to our weak assortment of ROTJ Han Solo... customizing potential with this one!

Princess Leia - can't wait to see with the helmet removed... her helmet seems big, but I think it was kind of big on her in the movie too...


Overall, this Wookiee is pleased with what he sees in these new OT figures... yipeeee!  Amazing what Hasbro can do now compared to how bad the old POTF2 versions of these figures look by today's standards.

 :P
Title: Re: VOTC and OTC Returns in 2006!
Post by: speedermike on July 15, 2005, 09:28 PM
Yeah, the package looks awesome.  And even though Bib, Leia and Han are tiny and blurry, they look good.

I understand that Hasbro couldn't show any more new figures, but at least give us a list.  I want to get excited about something SW.
Title: Re: VOTC and OTC Returns in 2006!
Post by: Diddly on July 15, 2005, 09:56 PM
HOLY ****! Those figs RULE! I have NO complaints yet. I just wish that the Carbonite block didn't have the melting effect. Oh well.

I'm also glad that Leia doesn't have a sculpted detonator!
Title: Re: VOTC and OTC Returns in 2006!
Post by: Morgbug on July 15, 2005, 10:41 PM
I'm kind of glad the carbonite has a melting effect, otherwise I think it might be hard to tell from the POTF2 version.  I'm expecting the same sculpt of it though, just different coloration.
Title: Re: VOTC and OTC Returns in 2006!
Post by: CHEWIE on July 15, 2005, 11:36 PM
That doesn't look like the same carbon block sculpt to me -

http://www.galactichunter.com/absoluteig/gallery.asp?action=viewimage&categoryid=3654&text=&imageid=16493&box=&shownew=

http://www.galactichunter.com/absoluteig/gallery.asp?action=viewimage&categoryid=2032&text=&imageid=5651&box=&shownew=

I know they're not the best comparison pics, bu the new version looks thicker, and less broad.  Also, if you look at the left side where the panels are, on the POTF2 version, there is a pretty big space between the top panel and the actual top of the carbon block, but on the new one, the space seems a lot smaller.

 :P
Title: Re: VOTC and OTC Returns in 2006!
Post by: Darby on July 15, 2005, 11:37 PM
I'm pretty happy with today's news, and I think the figures look good.  Boussh and Bib are years overdue.  I wonder what the Hoth figures will be (resculpt Snowtrooper, please), and what kind of balance there will be between the OT and PT going forward.  
Title: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: Jeff on July 15, 2005, 11:55 PM
Very glad to get the much rumored Bib resclpt - much needed, too ba we had to suffer through the OTC re-pack last year and couldn't get this one.

Boushh and Han look pretty good from the small pics so far, hopefully we'll get a better look at them soon!

Anybody catch if the Boushh has a removable helmet or not?  Haven't heard that yet...  :-\

Jeff
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: Scott on July 16, 2005, 12:07 AM
Not too keen on 3 resculpts and what sounds like 3 repacks.  Why not throw a bone toward a new Barada or a new Sgt Doallyn?  Na na na na na na na na na na BATMAN

(http://www.epinions.com/images/opti/ef/07/kifmToysAllHasbro_Batman_Mission_Masters_3_Highwire_Zip_Line_Batman_5_Action_Figure1-resized200.jpg)

A little intrigued by the Hoth Wave...Veers and Derlin would be very much welcome
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: Ben on July 16, 2005, 12:10 AM
Well, I'm not as fearful now that I've seen something all-new and desprately needed in the line.

Those last ROTS repaints had me down for a while.
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: Morgbug on July 16, 2005, 01:00 AM
Vintage sculpt for the carbonite block??

Incidentally on a completely marginally related topic, my TRU still has 14 Pit of Carkoon four packs priced at $34.99 ::)
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: Nathan on July 16, 2005, 01:30 AM
Bib: Yay! Not a huge fan of his expression (http://www.jedidefender.com//news/images/cc05dump/DSC08897.jpg), but the body sculpt looks fantastic.

Boushh: Meh. Could go either way. The POTF2/SOTE version still suits me adequately.

Han-sicle: Even more meh. The glowy effect looks cool though.
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: Jagdohh_Fett on July 16, 2005, 01:59 AM
They look very good and I'm glad they finally redid Bib.

Though, why would Boushh be released in a "Battle of Carkoon" wave?
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: Darth_Anton on July 16, 2005, 02:24 AM
The figureare are looking like improvements over their earlier couterparts, but Boush's helmet does look a bit too big at the moment. What worries me is that we're getting 3 repacks as well. I hope they at least repaint the Barada to match the one on Luke and Han's Skiff.
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: ThePerennial on July 16, 2005, 02:51 AM
I'm stoked for the boussh fig for the most part. Lots of articulation it looks like and decent sculpting, but what's up with that HUGE helmet? I know, it's removable, obviously; but does anyone else but me think that maybe just switchable ball jointed heads would work just as well instead of having all these removable helmet figures to make the detail a little crisper/the protortions a little more in scale?
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: Nathan on July 16, 2005, 03:01 AM
To me it looked more like the photo was shot from a slightly downward angle, thus favoring the head.

I wouldn't be against switchable heads at all though.
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: Darth Broem on July 16, 2005, 09:37 AM
Bib: Yay! Not a huge fan of his expression (http://www.jedidefender.com//news/images/cc05dump/DSC08897.jpg), but the body sculpt looks fantastic.

Boushh: Meh. Could go either way. The POTF2/SOTE version still suits me adequately.

Han-sicle: Even more meh. The glowy effect looks cool though.

Maybe they used the part of the movie where Bib smiles or almost laughs there at one part for almost no reason.  Anyone know what I am talking about?  I will have to look at it again to get the correct spot he unleashes the pearly whites. 

I am just glad they did something newer and not just a flat out repaint.
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: evenflow on July 16, 2005, 12:14 PM
Bib is probably the most deserved resculpt so i am very happy to get him. Leia as well, i just hope this one doesnt have a molded thermal detonator in her hand. The Han i guess is an interesting concept, but not toally necessary, but i will take it none the less. I really hope that 2006 brings us some obscure characters, PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE MAKE YARNA DA"L GARGAN HASBRO!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: CHEWIE on July 16, 2005, 12:38 PM
They could also be wanting to make him look more menacing, and thinking kids might like that more... the vintage Bib Fortuna kind of have a similar expression, didn't it?

Morbug, I think we're looking at a new sculpt on the carbonite block.

For those that don't like the carbonite block with the red, maybe buy a second one, (would be nice to have a second of that Han after all, put the POTJ Bespin Han on it and you might have a decent Endor Han), you could probably paint the carbon block to look like it's still fresh and frozen.   ;)

 :P
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: Jesse James on July 16, 2005, 12:47 PM
Nice looking figures so far...  I see angle-cut articulation at Han's elbows, and I'd wager wrist articulation.  Can't make out anything on the legs (ball/socket knees would be so nice, but somehow I'm not holding my breath for that).  The figure looks good though and he was one of my top resculpts probably, as are 99% of the Han Solo figures out there really.  :)

Bib Fortuna...  Looks like a POTF2 head to me, but whatever.  He always was a sorta "senator" figure.  Stands there, does little, looks weird...  Looks nice with all the layers though, compared to his POTF2 sculpted cousin.  It's amazing how separate pieces alone can make a figure look lightyears ahead in quality.  He looks dull though, and really he is/was dull the first time around.  Irregardless of that though, Bib was on my resculpt list too.  Lots of stuff is on my resculpt list though.

Boussh Leia...  Sweeeeeet...  By the helmet's look, and the fact it only makes sense, I'm assuming it's removable.  Looks like removable bandoleir too, and the hunting rifle has never been better looking.  Nice stuff there.  But I also notice at least a lotta articulation at the legs.  That's Leia Boussh you can have kicking some ass prior to her appearance at Jabba's Palace I guess. :)  Hope she comes with a Thermal Detonator (I didn't see one, maybe missed it).  Nice stuff there, best of the lot it seems to me.

On the stands...  I like them a lot.  I wish I had vintage stands like that actually.  I'm putting a shelving display together for my loose vinty's and a series of stands like that with their name (and oh man I can only imagine the variations being listed too, hehe) would be ideal for what I'm doing.  They're a lot better than those interlocking "Star Wars" stands, I must say.

Good stuff there.  Yay!
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: DoctorPadawan on July 16, 2005, 04:22 PM
The question that I have right now is whether or not the carbonite block is a solid piece, or at the very least has an "opening back door" so Han can be put inside the block.  I was not all that fond of the POTF2 carbonite block being backless, so I'm hoping they will actually either make it opening or a solid piece this time around.

The stands look like they could be really cool, but I'm hoping they'll do the film logos in the style of the Episode I, II, and III logos they used for the Wisdom Yoda doll instead of those horribly stylized ones they used for the VHS releases a few years back.  The simple typeface with "EPISODE VI: RETURN OF THE JEDI" to me is a lot more elegant than the whizz-bang of that horribly blocky "RETURN OF THE JEDI" logo. 

Of course, these stands will probably last six months before Hasbro decides it is too much effort to do individual stands and reverts to a generic "STAR WARS" stand once again.  When it comes to extras, they always start off strong, but after a bit of time passes, they start to get lazy. 
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: speedermike on July 16, 2005, 05:24 PM
One little nit to pick...every Carkoon Han has been sculpted with a tucked in shirt.  I was hoping that they'd finally notice that his shirt was untucked and sculpt it that way.

Also.  I think the stands are fine.  But I would have like more "environment" stands.  How hard could a sandy floor be?  If they did them right, they could be painted white for Hoth and reddish brown for Geonosis.
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: Scott on July 17, 2005, 04:35 PM
I hope for a slicked back post freeze head and an ESB/ROTJ Blow Dried looking head as well
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: Nathan on July 17, 2005, 06:23 PM
From Rebelscum (http://www.rebelscum.com/article.asp?i=93813):

Battle of Carkoon from Episode VI will include 6 figures

as an added bonus, each Saga2 figure will inlcude a bonus holographic mini figure.
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: Brian on July 18, 2005, 09:10 AM
I'm actually pretty excited about this wave, and about this line in general.  I enjoy resculpts more than many I think, mainly because I think figure quality (overall) has come a long way since the POTF2 days.  Many, if not most, of those figures could be made to look much better now.  As long as they can mix these in with the repacks they want to do, and add in some all new figures now and then, I'm a happy camper.  Now, back to this wave in particular, these are three figures (the new ones) that I'm quite happy to see.  I've wanted a nice, modern Carbonite Han, and from the small pic it looks pretty good.  Leia Boussh has always been high on my list as well, and I always thought that was a cool version of the character.  I'm sure the helmet will be removable, at least I would hope so.  If it was in the vintage figure even, it sure as heck should/will be now.  Bib Fortuna is an obvious choice for a resculpt, and I'm glad that we're getting him.  It is too bad we're getting more repacks in this (and future) waves, but I guess it isn't unexpected.  If it is a 50/50ish mix, that's much better than what we got for the OTC.  Plus, from the rumors online there is scheduled to be 56 figures over 8 waves next year...and a few repacks means a little less to buy...and a little easier on the checkbook.  So that's ok with me.  As much as I like the clones and everything, I'm ready for some OT Product pretty soon.  Hopefully we'll get clearer pics of this wave soon...although I will say that the best pics I've seen have been right here at JD.  Great work everyone.
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: ThePerennial on July 20, 2005, 05:34 PM
Okay, so according to Rebelscum, We're also getting Chewbacca, Boba Fett, and Barada in the Battle Of Carkoon wave. Do you guys think these will be repaints/tweaks, or do you suppose they'll just rehash/repaint?

 If they do rehash/repaint, here's o hoping Boba and chewie get their VOTC versions rehashed.
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: Nathan on July 20, 2005, 05:35 PM
I'm guessing Boba will be the Saga Carkoon version with the flaming jetpack stand.
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: evenflow on July 20, 2005, 07:19 PM
Well if those are the other 3 figures in the wave, looks like another year without my Yarna  >:( :-[
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: Darth Broem on July 20, 2005, 07:30 PM
Yes, Yarna would be a nice choice.  I kind of wonder if that one will ever be made.  I wish they would throw out a yellow jacket Weequay to.  But that probably won't be the case either.  We might get a Jabba's Palace Ishi Tib someday since they at least have the head mold.  Maybe. 

Sgt Doallyn would have been nice.
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: Diddly on July 20, 2005, 08:00 PM
How about a Sarlaac Pit playset? Would anybody else be interested in one? Nothing too big or fancy, just the big ditch with some teeth, tentacles, and the giant beak (the tentacles and beak are articulated). Also allow an area for figures to "stand."

I think this could easily be done for less thatn $30 and smaller than the Mustafar playset. And it would probably sell.
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: Nathan on July 20, 2005, 11:45 PM
That could be cool. Like the MicroMachines Sarlacc mini playset, only bigger obviously.
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: Jesse James on July 21, 2005, 01:08 AM
I always wanted a Sarlacc playset that was the base with stands for a barge, and 2 skiffs to hover over it.  The Barge would be a separate playset then...  To-scale, simple plastic that opens up, no frills or anything...  Big play/display place for figures.

You can drop them in the pit and whatnot...  Fun fun fun!
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: Brian on July 21, 2005, 01:34 PM
GH has confirmed with Hasbro that the other three figures in this wave are Barada, Chewbacca, and Boba Fett. Apparently Derryl Depriest told GH that the Boba Fett will be a "combination of previously released Boba Fetts"..whatever that means.  Also, no details on the Hoth wave until October.  Nationa Security issues and all ;).
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: evenflow on July 21, 2005, 02:24 PM
GH has confirmed with Hasbro that the other three figures in this wave are Barada, Chewbacca, and Boba Fett. Apparently Derryl Depriest told GH that the Boba Fett will be a "combination of previously released Boba Fetts"..whatever that means.  Also, no details on the Hoth wave until October.  Nationa Security issues and all ;).

That does suck very much, another year without Yarna  :-[
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: DoctorPadawan on July 21, 2005, 05:22 PM
Quote
Apparently Derryl Depriest told GH that the Boba Fett will be a "combination of previously released Boba Fetts"..whatever that means.

GOOD IDEA (we won't get this): VOTC Boba Fett with removable helmet and Jango head.

BAD IDEA (would this surprise you?): 300th Boba Fett with ROTJ color scheme.

REALLY BAD IDEA (please no): POTF2 Boba Fett with Saga Kamino Escape Jango Fett arm with the little lasso thing.

Personally, I'm a little concerned that they're going back to the midget Chewbacca figures after doing them, you know, accurately for four or five years now.
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: ThePerennial on July 21, 2005, 08:21 PM
Let's hope that it's a VOTC boba fett with a removable helmet. Perferrably with the AT-TE Tank gunner's head and not the Saga kamino escape head. Also, Let's hope it's based mainly off of the VOTC version, too. another collection with a quick-draw boba fett and I'll go insane.
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: Jesse James on July 22, 2005, 02:25 AM
I was already thinking VOTC w/removable helmet and the Jango head under there...  Scars and all (Boba had to have hit some rough spots in life to get those dents).  I'd dig that bigtime.  Slap an ESB paintjob on that guy and I'm all for it...  It's not in the movies, but knowing what Boba's look is now, I think a removable helmet Boba would rock.
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: Darth_Anton on July 22, 2005, 11:08 AM
The guy who reported the contents of this wave (before Comic-con I might add) is fairly reliable. He actually has seen this wave's card back which has a picture of all 6 figures. I can say with 100% certainty that Boba is not the VOTC Boba Fett. I looks like it's the Pit of Carkoon Boba. :P
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: Darby on July 23, 2005, 06:07 AM
I just hope the Chewie is some iteration of the VOTC/Early Bird sculpt, since I have neither.
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: Darth_Anton on July 23, 2005, 10:59 AM
I just hope the Chewie is some iteration of the VOTC/Early Bird sculpt, since I have neither.

The word is that it's more like the ROTS sculpt with a chain.
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: Darby on July 23, 2005, 02:26 PM
I just hope the Chewie is some iteration of the VOTC/Early Bird sculpt, since I have neither.

The word is that it's more like the ROTS sculpt with a chain.

 :'(
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: ThePerennial on July 24, 2005, 02:13 AM
The guy who reported the contents of this wave (before Comic-con I might add) is fairly reliable. He actually has seen this wave's card back which has a picture of all 6 figures. I can say with 100% certainty that Boba is not the VOTC Boba Fett. I looks like it's the Pit of Carkoon Boba. :P

 Yep. He also says there's no parts change from what he can see and that it's a repaint.
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: Jesse James on July 25, 2005, 12:40 AM
Man, Chewbacca had a whole other hairstyle when he was all dolled up with cains in JP, so I'm hping he at least sports the ROTJ headsculpt.  Why not just slap a dog collar accessory on the VOTC Chewie, ya know?

Oh well, if the accessory is, at least, removable itself...  That'd be cool.  I will just give it ot my VOTC Chewbacca.

I hope Barada's sorta new...   :-\
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: Brian on July 25, 2005, 09:25 AM
I agree, it would be nice to see the VOTC style Chewie re-used (with added chain) if they have to re-use one.  I guess I'd be happier seeing the ROTS Chewbacca than the previous POTF2 "Chewie in Chains" version.  I think that figure would look laughable next to the new stuff now, and tiny.
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: Darth_Anton on July 25, 2005, 10:20 AM


I hope Barada's sorta new...   :-\

I was hoping so too. It sounds like he may be repainted, but that could mean just a new wash. I'd like to see him with the Luke skiff colored pants, but upon closer inspection, I noticed that that Barada in the film also has an additional shirt so I'm afraid we'd need a new scuplt to get an accurate Barada on the Luke skiff. :(
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: speedermike on July 25, 2005, 11:18 AM
Honestly, I'll be a bit miffed if they start re-using VOTC sculpts already.  Many of them haven't even been out a year.  It would be insulting to see them on the pegs for almost 5 dollars less already.
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: Jesse James on July 26, 2005, 02:02 AM
Yeah, there's 2 Barada's, and the vintage styled one is a whole different outfit...  It'd require a new sculpt almost entirely for the POTF outfit to be made...  A repaint would be a very half-hearted attempt I think.

On the issue of reusing VOTC so soon, I can see a reasoning behind not wanting to see those figures re-released in a basic format, I also think they're the best versions (at least 50% of them are) of their respective character so anything less would be just as annoying to see as well...  VOTC Chewie with a real chain on a removable "dog collar" seems like a neat basic figure to me.  I try to look at the original VOTC as $5 worth of figure with $5 worth of packaging...  I'm not even a packaged collector 90% of the time, but those ones I had to keep at least the packaging nice and neat.

So to that end, I'd dig seeing VOTC Chewie out just because anything less is going to be sorta crummy quality.  Hasbro should just save a buck, re-release a sculpt they have, slap some new crap on him...  If they were REALLY nice they could include a tentacle arm or something weird...  A pike maybe?  The ROTS Chewie sorta sucks though so I'm not a fan of that one re-appearing.
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: Brian on July 26, 2005, 08:57 AM
That's kind of how I feel about the VOTC being reissues.  I can see the side of things where people would be frustrated at just spending $10 or more on these less than a year ago, and now they'd be available for less.  Personally, I'm all for it, for the reasons that Jesse listed above.  With figures like ANH Han, Chewie, Stormtrooper, etc., any other version of these is just going to look silly in comparison.  These are the best versions of these characters, and if they need to repack them, I'd just as soon see them use these versions.  I know I'd like some more of those Stormies for $6 a piece :).  There's your "solid case pack" Hasbro ;).
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: jimmyfortuna on July 29, 2005, 12:12 AM
we had it confirmed through mike at rebelscum that the next VOTC figs will be on those crappy POTF COIN cards from 1985. YUCK! BOYCOTT HASBRO!!!!
HASBRO = HAS-BROKE!!!!
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: Darby on July 29, 2005, 02:12 AM
Okay.
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: Jesse James on July 29, 2005, 03:26 AM
And "Mike At Rebelscum" is?

Nothing on their front page about it either...  Not to say that POTF cards (a POTF wave perhaps) isn't in the works...  It's been a rumor for a while so I wouldn't doubt it...  But nobody's really stretching their neck on POTF styled cards as a "sure thing" right now.

If they are, so be it... 

I'm glad to see Han in Carbonite's making it into the basic line, Just pondering how articulated the figure will wind up being.  interchangeable heads a possibility with that figure too?  It's one of my favorite Han moments though so the figure should rock.

I wonder how they'd have done him had he made his way into VOTC?  Like besides articulation, how he'd be "special" compared to his basic figure release that he seems to be getting.
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: jimmyfortuna on July 29, 2005, 05:31 AM
Mike Sullinger i think is his name-- he told me that via email after his "Q & A" with the Hasbro rep.

what do you guys think about a Star Wars Shop Exclusive "Han Solo in Carbonite- Unleashed" ? wouldn't that be rad??? i think we should petition Hasbroke on that one ASAP.
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: Darth_Anton on July 29, 2005, 10:13 AM
we had it confirmed through mike at rebelscum that the next VOTC figs will be on those crappy POTF COIN cards from 1985. YUCK! BOYCOTT HASBRO!!!!
HASBRO = HAS-BROKE!!!!

With respect, this is the wrong thread for this discussion and about unleashed which has been canceled.

Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: Jeff on July 29, 2005, 10:34 AM
Mike Sullinger i think is his name-- he told me that via email after his "Q & A" with the Hasbro rep.

what do you guys think about a Star Wars Shop Exclusive "Han Solo in Carbonite- Unleashed" ? wouldn't that be rad??? i think we should petition Hasbroke on that one ASAP.

First off, welcome to JediDefender.  :)

Second, Mike Sullenger is from GalacticHunter, not Rebelscum.

Third, as Darth Anton pointed out, this thread is for discussion of the upcoming Battle of Carkoon wave. 

If you'd like to talk about potential upcoming vOTC figures you can do it in this thread:
VOTC and OTC Returns in 2006! (http://www.jedidefender.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=7919.0)

If you'd like to talk about the recently cancelled Unleashed line, you can do it here:
Unleashed Again (http://www.jedidefender.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=8454.0)

Thanks!

Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: Paul on August 21, 2005, 10:42 PM
Ok, I am pretty ROTS'ed out...I'm ready for some new OT stuff (re-sculpt or not)......when are these new waves going to be hitting retail?
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: Jesse James on August 22, 2005, 12:37 AM
I'm wagering we'll see the first of it maybe around December or so Paul.  Maybe not till into '06 though.  I wouldn't say I'm rots'd out yet though, but I definitely could use some classic army builder figs after buying Clones for so long.
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: Darth_Anton on August 22, 2005, 10:00 AM
I'm wagering we'll see the first of it maybe around December or so Paul.  Maybe not till into '06 though.  I wouldn't say I'm rots'd out yet though, but I definitely could use some classic army builder figs after buying Clones for so long.

The figure releases are like car releases. We'll see the '06 models by years end. November or December.
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: Scott on August 22, 2005, 10:13 AM
Ok, I am pretty ROTS'ed out...I'm ready for some new OT stuff (re-sculpt or not)......when are these new waves going to be hitting retail?
I would guess we should be seeing Hasbro updating fairly soon with the first shots of these.  They are usually out in November/December.  Although last year the Cantina Wave came out in October IIRC.  BUT...there is still the final 12 ROTS figures as well and there hasn't been preorders yet for those.  So, I think 2006 might actually be right

Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: Rob on August 24, 2005, 12:13 PM
Ok, I am pretty ROTS'ed out...I'm ready for some new OT stuff (re-sculpt or not)......when are these new waves going to be hitting retail?

December?  January?

I'm in the same boat though, I'm sick of ROTS - and the 12 new figures being 12 old figures hasn't helped that one bit.

So I'm ready for new OT stuff, and new VOTC would be a welcome addition - I'm 100% cool with the idea of VOTC POTF cards with coins of figures like Barada or Sim Aloo or Yak Face.  As long as it is a high quality re-sculpt of a vintage figure on a reproduction of the appropriate vintage card - I'm buying.
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: Brian on August 24, 2005, 12:19 PM
I'm kind of in the same boat as many of you.  While I am looking forward to some of the remaining ROTS figures (Pilot Obi, and all the clones in particular), other than that I'm ready for some OT goodness once again.  I'm hoping we'll start seeing these in December, but I guess you never know.  I'm kind of curious about the possibility of further VOTC figures, it seems like in some of the Q and A's that Hasbro is kind of dropping hints that they might be a possibility for next year.  POTF cards with coins would be quite cool.  Hopefully Hasbro will release some info on their site about some of the 2006 stuff, it seems like it has been pretty quiet on the "new news" front for awhile.
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: Darth Broem on August 24, 2005, 10:08 PM
Yeah, after these final 12 ROTS figures I will be ready for the OT stuff.  I have a bad feeling though.  I am really only interested in stuff we have either never gotten before (Hermi Odle, Tonnika Sisters, Yarna) or redone vintage figures we have not gotten yet (say Dignitary, Chief Chirpa, vinty Barada) or badly needed resculpts like R5-D4. 

Having said that for some reason I just don't think Hasbro is going to give to many of those items in 06.  Hopefully I am dead wrong.  The new Boushh, Han Carbonite, and Bib Fortuna are good for a start but can't say I am super stoked about them.  Although I will undoubtedly buy them.  I just hope more new stuff is to come that's all.
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: Paul on August 25, 2005, 08:58 PM
After staring at the pics of Leia in Boush disquise and Popsiclle Han, I have gone ahead and made up my mind about the figures...cuz we're collectors we're suppossed to make decisions based on hazy photos of proto-types right?  (my first attempt at Sarcasm on the forums)....

Anyway..

I like the "Neutral" stance of Han...they could easily have made him in "Mid Thaw" pose or in bent over "Blind Man defeats Boba Fett" stance.  While I would have prefered Ball Joints at the Shoulders and elbows, I'm just happy to get a new version of this Han. 

The most important part of the Boush/Leia is the lack of molded Thermal Detonator (as most of you guys have already mentioned).  I also noticed she has knee articulation.

I can't tell a difference between the Bib Fortuna and the one I already have, but I don't really like aliens that much.

My only complaint is that calling this the "Battle of Carkoon" wave....The figs seem to represent Jabba's Palace more.

As for the rumored other figures.....if It's not a newer/updated Version of VOTC Fett, I'll leave it on the shelf.  I'd pick up a repainted/tweaked Barada,.

But at this point give me anything OT...heck I've bought Clones evolutions packs in the last week just for the Sandtrooper, I end up throwing the Prequel figs away with the box.... ;)
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: Jesse James on August 25, 2005, 11:50 PM
My heart skipped a beat...  And I had a sudden urge to go to TX and rifle around in people's garbage.
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: Paul on August 29, 2005, 09:51 PM
you would have been disappointed...by the time I opened the box that I thought was  my clone evolutions packs from Amazon...it was "LIttlest Pet Shop" stuff for my daughter...I guess next time I'll read the whole email that says my order has shipped....
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: Paul on October 3, 2005, 10:23 PM
Wow, I hate to reply to myself......

Was anybody at the Comic Con?  All the pictures of Han Solo are grainy and I was wondering about the Articulation..... Obviously it has shoulder and leg/hip....Did anybody get a good look at whether there is elbow, wrist, knee, ankle, neck ?
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: Ryan on October 4, 2005, 02:16 AM
I'm supprised no new images have surfaced yet, we will probably see these by December, I remember people were finding the '04 SAGA in December of '03, it is already October, I'd think we'd have at least seen those same loose shots in better quality appear somewhere.
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: Jeff on October 4, 2005, 11:45 AM
I'm supprised no new images have surfaced yet, we will probably see these by December, I remember people were finding the '04 SAGA in December of '03, it is already October, I'd think we'd have at least seen those same loose shots in better quality appear somewhere.

Yeah, it is a bit surprising that those shots haven't popped up again in a nagazine or anything.   :-\

Like you guys, I'd like a better look at that Boushh and Han to see what the articulation is like.  I'd also like to see how "different" Barada and Chewie will be since it sounds like the Fett in this wave is just a re-pack with nothing new...

Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: Brian on October 4, 2005, 11:59 AM
I'm ready for some closer looks at the 06 line as well, and thought we'd start seeing them by now.  I thought I read awhile back (maybe on a GH Q and A?) that we'd be getting more information from Hasbro in October, including more about the Hoth wave.  That could be way off though, who knows.  It seems like we usually know a little bit about the first wave or two by now, or by the end of this month for sure.  Bring on the OT figures again! :)
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: Firebat on October 4, 2005, 01:37 PM
Where did you guys see those grainy pics?
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: Jeff on October 4, 2005, 01:40 PM
Where did you guys see those grainy pics?

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Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: Firebat on October 4, 2005, 03:16 PM
Ah! Thank you!
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: LandotheScoundrel on October 4, 2005, 03:35 PM
That Boussh and the Bib are so ******* cool. I can't wait for these to come out. Boussh and Bib have been two of my most wanted resculpts, so its great to see these.
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: Paul on October 4, 2005, 08:52 PM
I like that Boussh more and more everytime I see it.

Articulated Wrist...probably not ball jointed shoulders and elbows, but it looks like Ball Jointed Knees so I still like it.  Somebody mentioned that they though the helmet looked too big, I wonder if it is the Top-down angle.  I'm going to watch some ROTJ this week to see the proportions.

I even like the Bib Fortuna.
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: Brian on October 6, 2005, 09:01 AM
Mousedroid (http://www.mousedroid.com/) has a first look at this wave, with carded pics of all the figures included in the Battle of Carkoon Wave.  There are also a couple of cardback looks, which does reveal the rumored "holographic figure" with each figure.  The figures look pretty good from what I can see, and I'm liking the packaging personally.  Hit the linky above for all the pics, if interested.
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: Jeff on October 6, 2005, 10:23 AM
Mousedroid (http://www.mousedroid.com/) has a first look at this wave,

Wow, just when we were complaining we hadn't see new pictures yet, here they come!

I'm really glad to see the Boushh removable helmet, just wish the pictures were bigger!

As for the mini-hologram figures - eh.  Could be cool depending on the character, but I really dread the thought of all the variations it could lead to.  I will hate to have to try to collect all those too, especially if it means having to buy figures I already have to open then to get the stupid things.  :(
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: LandotheScoundrel on October 6, 2005, 10:39 AM
I'm not a carded collector, but I'm with you mosnab, I like the packaging!

I'm really excited about Boussh, Bib and even Han. As I've been working on my Jabba's palace diorama, they've really been the sore thumbs in my setup. Especially if you put POTF2 Boussh next to OTC Lando skiff guard.
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: CHEWIE on October 6, 2005, 10:44 AM
I could give a damn about the holo figures, unless of course there is a mini Vader, Leia or Nute Gunray/Rune Haako.  All the others are kinda pointless to me.

The figures themselves look very sharp. 

Leia - Beautiful looking sculpt, and way overdue.  I'm so glad they are finally remaking this figure.

Han - Boring outfit but one that is necessary in my opinion.  Looks like he has good articulation.  I want about 5-6 of these at least to open, for a Bespin Chamber diorama, Jabba's Palace, on a Skiff, an Endor custom and probably another custom or two.

Bib Fortuna - Wow!  Can't wait for this.  Looks like they finally got this character right.

Boba Fett repack - Eh, probably pass.

Skiff Guard repack - Might get one for the hell of it.

Chewbacca repack - Will get one, his paint job looks great.

 :P
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: speedermike on October 6, 2005, 11:18 AM
Wow.  These packages are very cool. The best we've seen so far.  The ROTS like movie photo really makes them pop. The new figures look great too.  I've already decided that I won't "collect" the Holo figures, but I do feel bad for comlpetists.
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: JesseVader08 on October 6, 2005, 11:35 AM
Hmmm.  I think that the packaging is really growing on me - that oddly shaped bubble isn't too bad.

As for the holo figures, randomly packing them is seriously going to piss off a lot of people.  But as long as I a carded version of each figure, I don't really care which holo fig comes with it.

I plan to display the new figures loose too, which probably means I'll want the holo figures loose too.  Oh great. 
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: Jim on October 6, 2005, 11:58 AM
I wouldnt doubt that certain figs will have certain holos and not random.  I dont know if anyone remembers the Freeze Frames a few years back.  Hasbro originally said the figs would be packaged with various Freeze Frames of that character and it never panned out.

The Chewie looks like the mechanic version with either a new head or the paint makes it appear so.

The Fetts paint app I like, but how many SAGA Fetts are they going to release.

The Han seems to have the POTJ Death Star Escape head with a new body possibly. 

Barada is lame.  It would of been simple to repaint similar to the Vintage version.

Boussh looks the best IMO.  But it looks like she has no neck with the helmet removed.

The Bib turned out good as well but still looks like the POTF2 body with a new head and some added articulation in the arms.
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: Ryan on October 6, 2005, 01:09 PM
Wow! These look fantastic! I love the packaging, even though I have turned into a loose collector over the last year, I'll be picking up the repacks carded. Unless I hate the repack. I'm glad I ditched the completeist in me, picking up all the various combinations of Holo pack-ins would get ridiculous.

I really wish they would have resculpted Barada, or at least added some articulation.

The Chewie almost looks all new, it looks like he has ball jointed elbows.

Is it too early to say that the SAGA Fett will be the next Cantina Han? ::)

Boussh, Han, and Bib look fan-freakin-tastic. I really hope that all the new figures are that quality or better.
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: CHEWIE on October 6, 2005, 01:43 PM
From what I can tell, the Han head is all new.  It's definitely not the POTJ Death Star Escape Han's head.  And the Chewbacca looks like a straight repaint of the POTJ Mechanic Chewbacca figure.

It looks like Chewbacca, Barada and Fett are straight up rehashes with some repainting done.  The other three look entirely new.  But the carbonite block looks way too small (in my opinion at least).

 :P
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: DoctorPadawan on October 6, 2005, 03:30 PM
Well, I'll probably get Chewie now (the Wookiee, not the customizer) since it's not a POTF2 Boussh's Bounty version with a metal chain.  It looks to be in scale, accurate, and it has a metal chain.  So, I'll be more than happy to buy a nice pointless rehash as opposed to a poor pointless rehash. 

Han, Leia, and Bib are all no-brainers.  Fett, probably, just because I've been one of those Fett lemmings since I was a wee lad.  Barada, though, is going to be a pegwarmer of limitless potential.  I think the only thing he has working for him is that he's an OT figure; if he was from a Prequel, we would have our early candidate for the "Neimoidian Warrior Memorial Pegwarmer of the Year" Award.

The mini-holograms?  Meh.  As long as there is a ESB-posed Vader, a TMP Nute Gunray and Rune Haako, and a ROTS Anakin/Vader at some point, I'll be happy.  Holographic Cantina Han?  Not so much. :)
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: Gatillo on October 6, 2005, 03:35 PM
Is it too early to say that the SAGA Fett will be the next Cantina Han? ::)


No, it is not too early.  And yes it will be. 
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: Reid on October 6, 2005, 04:26 PM
These look awesome! I'll probaly only get Barada in this wave. I don't care what Holo figure I get, as long as I get one.
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: Nathan on October 6, 2005, 04:35 PM
Wow, nice pics! I like the back of the cards, but I still think the angled bottom looks stooopid. As everyone already said, the mini holos will be awesome for Sidious, Vader, Grievous, Cody, and other characters who have appeared, or plausibly would appear, as holos. But Holo Carbonite Han, or Holo Bib, or Holo Wicket? Cool as gimmicks I guess, but don't Need them by any stretch of the imagination.

Barada -- will buy unless he's incredibly lame in person. Are we sure he's new? Looks a lot like the POTF2/TRU multipack version.

Bib Fortuna -- still not a fan of the open-mouth scowl (would have preferred a more neutral expression) but I don't have the POTF2 Bib so I should grab this.

Boba -- the last Boba I have is 1995 POTF2, so I think he's due for an upgrade. ;) And from what I can tell, the Saga/OTC version really isn't a bad figure. I dig the flame base, too.

Boushh -- undecided. Will buy only if there's any $$$ left after I buy other stuff I want.

Chewie -- I already have that figure (purchased when it was on Saga1 Hall of Fame card) so I don't need this unless the chain turns out to be really cool. Glad they went with this version instead of the ROTS Chewie.

Han -- OK figure I guess, but just boring. Probably pass.

So, three Yes, two Pass, and one Undecided.
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: JesseVader08 on October 6, 2005, 04:56 PM
As everyone already said, the mini holos will be awesome for Sidious, Vader, Grievous, Cody... Cool as gimmicks I guess, but don't Need them by any stretch of the imagination.

As a daddy to the most beautiful daughter in the world (ask anyone, it's true  ;)), I can see opening the figures being a daddy-daughter event.  Daddy gets the figure, daughter gets the holo.  Should be fun.   8)

Since the holos are a freebie, I'm not too concerned about them (which ones I get or if I get them all).  It's the same thing as the Freeze Frames and Force Files, just freebies.  However, that being said, I can still feel for the completists - if they really are randomly packed, it's going to be a big headache.
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: Nathan on October 6, 2005, 05:04 PM
Despite how out of touch they seem to be with collectors, I doubt Hasbro would be boneheaded enough to randomly pack the holos. Furious hordes would storm Hasbro HQ and beat the doors in.

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Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: Diddly on October 6, 2005, 05:41 PM
Ooh, I like! I'm definately getting the new figures, as well as the Skiff Guard. I'll wait and see more pics of Chewie before making a decision though. Boba is a definate pass, unless it was a VOTC rerelease, which it isn't.
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: Darth_Anton on October 6, 2005, 06:55 PM
It's about time we got some pictures! The sculpts look pretty solid, but it i'm concerned that they're cutting back on the articulation.
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: DoctorPadawan on October 6, 2005, 07:07 PM
HASBRO ANNOUNCES MINI-HOLOGRAM PLANS FOR 2006 SAGA COLLECTION

Pawtucket, R.I. (AP):  Hasbro Toys, Inc., maker of such legendary action toys as M.A.S.K. and Visionairies, announced that it intends to include randomly packaged "holographic" mini-figures in its 2006 Star Wars "Saga Collection" basic action figure line.

"Fans have been going crazy for hologram figures in the last year," Crack Smoking Monkey #12 told the AP in an exclusive statement.  "We love to do hologram figures, and by randomly packing them in action figures, it will be like trading cards!  Gotta catch 'em all!"

When asked what characters would be made available in this soon-to-be-legendary offering, Hasbro stated that they were not just sticking to the films for their mini hologram figures.  "First of all, we will be doing the main characters like Anakin, Spock, Obi-Wan Kenobi, Yoda, and Rerun, but we also intend on doing some 'lesser known' characters as holograms, like Wicket the Ewok, Random Cantina Alien #43, and Al Bundy." 

Hasbro also stated that there would be a "rare chase hologram" that would be inserted in a random figure in one out of every 37 cases.  "We really think that the fans are going to love this concept, because it's going to put the fun back into Star Wars collecting!  Yay us!  We is brilliant!"

In an unrelated story, a Southern California shopping mall fell into a state of shock when a young man's head exploded.  This young man, whose name is not being released at press time, was sitting at an internet cafe posting on an internet message board when his head suddenly became engulfed in flames.

"It were the weirdest thing I done seen" said a local miscreant wearing a t-shirt emblazoned with the phrase "EBAY PAYS MY TUITION."  The man continued, "As soon as his head exploded, Elvis done come out of the penny fountain and took his body into a spaceship.  If I hadn't seen it with my own eye, I never woulda believed it.  Can I have my 10 dollars now?"

BREAKING NEWS:  The gentlemen who suffered the cranial explosion has since been identified by the name "Matt."  More on this story as it develops.
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: Reid on October 6, 2005, 07:20 PM
Leia Boussh- Maybe

Han Carbonite- Probably Pass

Barada- Will Probably Get

Slave Chewie- Pass

Boba Fett- Pass

Lil' Bibbers- Pass


I predict that Barada, Bib, and Han Carb will be pegwarmers, Boba will be a so-so, and Chewie and Boussh will be the big sellers.
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: Vator on October 6, 2005, 08:23 PM
Oh these are thrilling! I really like the design and the figs are top notch.
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: Darth Broem on October 6, 2005, 08:54 PM
Yeah, I have to say from the pics the packaging looks fantastic!  The figures look pretty nice as well.  I will get Han Carobinte, Leia Boushh, and probably Bib Fortuna.  The others I have already but do look nice on those cards.  At this point I could care less about the hologram figs.  I just hope the price does not go up because of those. 
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: Reid on October 6, 2005, 09:06 PM
I just hope the price does not go up because of those. 

If It does go up to say, $6.99, Then I'll probably get less figures. But I think the Mini Holos are worth it.  8)
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: Paul on October 6, 2005, 09:13 PM
for the Mini Holo collectors, I'll have plenty for the price of shipping....


Count me in for Boussh, Han x4, Bib Fortuna, Chewie (just for the chain)....I'll pass on Action Feature Fett and might get a Barada, if he comes with the good ROTJ blaster or has a different enough paint deco from the Screen Scene.

Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: DoctorPadawan on October 6, 2005, 09:38 PM
I just hope the price does not go up because of those.

Well, if they don't go up because of the mini-holograms, I'm sure that they'll go up for some other reason.    ;)
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: Darby on October 6, 2005, 09:50 PM
I held out hope Chewie would be some form of the VOTC/Eb figure, but alas... I'll probably just get Leia and Bib for sure.  I'll wait and see on Han.
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: Darth Broem on October 6, 2005, 11:01 PM
I just hope the price does not go up because of those.

Well, if they don't go up because of the mini-holograms, I'm sure that they'll go up for some other reason.    ;)

Ha-ha!  Yeah, that is probably correct. 
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: SpudTrooper on October 6, 2005, 11:14 PM
i only question the packing shape..looks rather odd but i'll get the leia, boba and chewie
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: Jesse James on October 7, 2005, 01:46 AM
My (early) thoughts...

Boba, Chewie, and Barada definitely look like simple repacks all around with no tweaking save for maybe paint.  The chain with Chewie may be his only appeal to buy him which sucks.  I'm glad I got extra VOTC Chewie to take his place...

Barada's disappointing I think as a repack but what do I know...  Fett, eh...  I agree with Spuffy that I'm disappointed that they didn't try re-packing at least ONE VOTC figure.  You have the mold, the main cost is done, repack VOTC Fett...  Take the slight bitching from the people who paid $10 for it and just put the best Fett out you can...  Hell if you're nice you'd tweak the jetpack so it could accomodate the Saga Fett's flame base.

On the new figures, I have to say it's tough to say anything definitive because the pictures are really not very high quality at all so any detail's pretty much lost.  I am with Darth Anton about fearing a lack in quality here though as far as articulation goes.  I thought Boussh had ball/socket knees from the SDCC photos, and Han seems to have angle-cut elbows...  Ok, that's cool.  Bib I can't make neither heads nor tails of on any detail.

I'm hoping they aren't going to start cutting articulation back in a freakin' non-movie year when that kind of quality for collectors should be their focus.  ROTS did so well, their formula was 100% improved with that film line...  If they start reverting back to statues they are just going to prove how out-of-touch they are with this line, this hobby, and collectors.  I'm praying these are great figures because that's 3 new sculpts we really need, but I'm also reserving judgment till i see some clearer pictures...  I know I saw angle-cuts on Han and ball/socket knees on Boussh so that's some hope for these.

I still think re-using VOTC figures would be more appealing to people and it would help improve the margin on the cost of those sculpts...  They're repacks though so whatever.
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: SilverZ on October 7, 2005, 01:47 AM
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Boussh is certainly the winner of the bunch for me. I don't know what to make of that Han. It really does nothing for me.

I like how the Boba pic hides the missle pack. Bah.

EDIT: And Jesse, I'm wondering about the articulation as well. Aside from Boussh, the other new figures look suspiciously like something we would have gotten at the tail end of Saga. Lots of cut elbow joints and awkward facial expressions. Hmmm.
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: Jesse James on October 7, 2005, 01:52 AM
Han looks good, but looks to sport about the basic POTF2 articulation points from the waist down and that blows on any new figure, especially one focused around action like Han was at the Carkoon battle.  Give him some knee articulation and at least make a mediocre effort.   :-\  It could still be there, but I'm less hopeful right now.
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: CorranHorn on October 7, 2005, 02:17 AM

EDIT: And Jesse, I'm wondering about the articulation as well. Aside from Boussh, the other new figures look suspiciously like something we would have gotten at the tail end of Saga. Lots of cut elbow joints and awkward facial expressions. Hmmm.

I'm wondering if the Bib, Han, and Boussh aren't leftovers from the SAGA 04 line. Before the OTC line hit, we were supposed to get a new wave a month, but by my count we only got 10 with the inclusion of the 2 new waves in OTC and the 2 Post-OTC waves. It's possible these 3 figures were sculpted back in 2004 for release at the end of that year but got put on hold. It would explain why these are the only new TSC figures we have seen so far...
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: Darby on October 7, 2005, 02:23 AM
Yikes... hmm.  Boussh looks like the only one I'll be getting.  Oh, I'll get Bib, what the hell, but man.  That Han isn't justifiable after the figures we've gotten the last two years.  I don't know what I was expecting, but he looks a lot like the one that came with that cardboard diorama thing.  Maybe they are holdovers.  It would explain them being first, which never made sense to me.  Kids/casual collectors have been clamoring in the aisles all year for Luke, Leia, Han, etc. and if I were Hasbro, just from a market standpoint, I'd put out something along the lines of the EB set (individual of course) that met that demand.

And yeah, if they're not reusing the VOTC sculpts just because, then why bother?  This entire set looks ca. 1997 (and it literally is for the most part in character selection).
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: Jesse James on October 7, 2005, 02:33 AM
enhancing the EE photo I see NO joints on Han's legs.  He's basically Captain Antilles if you're wanting an articulation breakdown.

Ball/socket neck, angle-cut elbows, wrists, basic hips, shoulders and waist.  Nothing flashy and CorranHorn makes a pretty good point that this could be a "leftover" kind of wave.  One can hope right?   :-\

Bib I'm ok with...  The face (open mouth) is meh, but the arms I see angle-cut joints at and I'm guessing wrist joints...  The robes are prohibitive to leg movement anyway so whatever, but on Han it is a bit of BS since Han was pretty active blindly killing bounty hunters and saving scoundrels during the Carkoon battle.  Some simple ball/socket knee joints would've made him as big a hit to me as the Cantina Wave of figures was.  All winners in my book.

On Boussh I'm seeing the knee joints, perhaps even ankles, but the arms look like they may be somewhat limited in poseability.  Cool nonetheless and she looks to have the most gear for sure.

BTW I for one am big into these holo figures.  This could be a cool way to get lots of little neat pieces to make things feel "worth" their price (if there's no hike).  There's also some neat potential that maybe Hasbro would do goofy stuff like Dejarrik pieces.  Could you imagine if we got those?  I'd dig that (A mail-away gameboard and some little half-assed rules would be an ultimate giveaway, but whatever).

I'm huge into mini-holos though...  I loved the little Sidious and I have extras sitting with other figures as an Emperor holo or in dioramas acting as an Imperial communication.  They work great as EU Imperial Inner-Circle Member mini-holographs too.
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: Reid on October 7, 2005, 06:48 AM
Like I said before, I too like these mini holos. I only hope they do holos of Stormies, Imp. Officers, Palpatines, Vaders, because I don't want a grand army of holo Rancor Keepers and Nien Nunbs... :P

Looking at the EE picture...

Boushh- Looks like the winner of the bunch. Looks fairly SA and a cool accesory.
Han Carbonite- Looks like decent articulation, and sculpt wise, one of the best.
Bib Fortuna- Again, looks like a great sculpt, far superior to the POTF2 one. And that knive accesory looks uber-cool.
Chewie- Looks like a repack to me, but looks like new paint and chain. And probably a bowcaster.
Boba- Repack, but does he have new articulated knees? Or are those on the first release?
Barada- Again, repack, but the only one I'll probably get. He's cool. 8)
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: Jim on October 7, 2005, 07:44 AM
Why the hell does Hasbro keep packing such messed up cases?  This wave had the perfect opportunity to pack 2 of each fig and make equal quantities for everyone.  I was looking forward to buy a case and be done with this wave but not at the ratio it is.

Han x 3
Chewie x 1
Barada x 1
Leia x 2
Bib x 2
Fett x 3

Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: Brian on October 7, 2005, 09:21 AM
Although I'm a little disappointed that there appears to be no knee articulation on the Han, overall I'm kind of excited for this wave.  It might be the combination of anticipating some new OT product, and also including three figures that I've wanted to see re-done for awhile.  To be honest, I'll probably end up buying all but the Fett...which should have/could have been the VOTC version.  The Boussh Leia looks like the winner of the group, Han's sculpt looks good, but lacking articulation, Fortuna is a figure that really needed to be re-done...we'll have to see about the fact.  As far as the repacked figures, well, I missed Barada the first time so I'll probably pick that figure up.  I have 2 or 3 of that Chewie, but it looks like a nice repaint maybe, and I'd like to have a version with a chain like that.

As far as the Holos...as long as it doesn't jack the price up, they seem like cool little add ons.  If they are randomly packed, I'm sure they are going to be a big pain in the ass for completists, which is too bad.  Otherwise, it might be something neat...especially if things stay at the $4.77-$5 pricepoint.  I'm looking forward to this line, hopefully we'll get more names/confirmations thrown around for the future waves now...I believe Hoth is the 2nd wave of 2006...lots of potential there.
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: LandotheScoundrel on October 7, 2005, 10:20 AM
That repacked Fett will probably warm the pegs like ******* crazy!  :-\
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: Jeff on October 7, 2005, 10:54 AM
especially if things stay at the $4.77-$5 pricepoint. 

I have a funny feeling that after Christmas brings a close to this movie year, the $5 price-point might disappear for a while...  :-\
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: CHEWIE on October 7, 2005, 12:35 PM
I think the repack ratio is actually pretty good.  Why would we need 3 each of Barada and Chewbacca in a case?  Each have already been made at least twice, and if you produce as many of the Han, Leia and Bib, then you're creating a peg warming problem.  Fett though I think should be 2 per case, and Leia 3 instead of 2.  To me though, they're finally getting it right.

 :P
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: Jim on October 7, 2005, 01:03 PM
I think the repack ratio is actually pretty good.  Why would we need 3 each of Barada and Chewbacca in a case?  Each have already been made at least twice, and if you produce as many of the Han, Leia and Bib, then you're creating a peg warming problem.  Fett though I think should be 2 per case, and Leia 3 instead of 2.  To me though, they're finally getting it right.

 :P

No reason for three of any fig.  Why would we need 3 Baradas or Chewies?  My point is that 2 of each fig would of made an even ratio for all the figs.  Sets would of been easier to track down and more cases would of been sold through etailers like EE to collecgtors.  Im sure people have rethought about buying cases because of the ratios. 
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: ruiner on October 7, 2005, 01:37 PM
They all look really nice except for Chewie - if I remember correctly, he was from the POTF2 FF days when his scale (not just height) was way off. 

He's definitely the loser of the wave - from a collector POV.

I had a blast collecting the entire OTC line (I kept them all carded vs. my normal collecting habits) and I'm contemplating how I will handle this new Saga line - I love the packaging but don't think I can afford to continue to buy every single rehash.

Maybe I'll just buy the ones I like - continuing my method of madness.

If I proceed with that method, I only like Leia, Han and Bib.

The others I already have loose....the packaging will be my downfall... :-[
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: Jesse James on October 7, 2005, 02:17 PM
Chewbacca isn't the POTF2 figure, he's the POTJ Mechanic figure.  He's to-scale, but VOTC Chewie is a FAR better figure in every sense.  If you have an extra of that, all you'll need off this is the chain.

Mechanic Chewie can't even put his arms down.  He'll look goofy I think.
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: ruiner on October 7, 2005, 03:28 PM
Gotcha - thanks for clearing that one up.  I still think I'll pass!   8)
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: CHEWIE on October 7, 2005, 03:40 PM
Jim, I guess from my perspective as a loose collector, I am glad the ratio is being the way it is.  Here is what I plan on getting from it -

Han Solo - 4 of them
Leia - 2 of them
Bib - 4 of them
Barada - 1 or none
Chewbacca - 1
Fett - none

The ones that I want multiples of are for dioramas and customizing.

 :P
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: Jeff on October 7, 2005, 03:47 PM
I went ahead and grabbed a case via pre-order to practice the fine art of "CYA" (we all know what a wasteland retail can be post-christmas  ::)).

Hopefully they get here sooner than that, like November maybe?   ;D

As far as the case assortment, it seems pretty good to me.  I'm thinking I'll grab 1 each to keep carded and then grab an extra of each of the "new" figures (Han, Leia, Bib) to open.  That just leaves me with 1x extra Han and 2x extra Fetts, not too bad I guess.  Would have been nice to have an extra Leia instead of all the Fetts, but oh well.

At first, I was thinking I might need to buy an opener for the other 3 in the wave, but they didn't impress me...

- A yellow-shirt Barada would have been a keeper, but this repack is too close to the other 2 we've had.
- The metal chain isn't enough to get me to buy yet another PotJ Mechanic Chewie
- Pit of Carkoon Fett?  Again?  No need for another opener of that one
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: DoctorPadawan on October 7, 2005, 04:49 PM
While I would normally agree with Jim on the 2 per of each of the 6 figures, with half of these being repacks, I'd be downright ruthless with the new figures getting more case real estate.

In my world, the case would be:

3 x Han Solo in Carbonite
3 x Princess Leia in Boussh Disguise
3 x Bib Fortuna
1 x Boba Fett
1 x Chewbacca
1 x Barada

I don't think there is any reason for Barada to ever be packed at more than one per case.  It's an alien design that is hardly even visible in the film itself, it has no real changes made to it from previous versions, and those two previous versions have both been blown out at rock bottom prices in the clearance aisles of various stores (you can still get the Battle of Carkoon TRU 5-pack for about 8 bucks at some TRUs and on Amazon from time to time).  That particular Fett's been done to death (this will make his fourth card appearance since 2003), and the Chewbacca has since been done far better.  Why ship more pegwarmers (maybe Fett wouldn't) when you could ship more figures that are brand new?
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: ruiner on October 7, 2005, 05:12 PM
You know, the case breakdown is not that bad.

Fett always sells - casual collectors, kids and completists will buy him.  I've never seen Boba warms the pegs, from POTF2 to OTC (minus the young version)!

Barada makes sense as a 1 per - not known to kids or casuals.

Chewie, I think, is short packed - he's a main character that everyone likes.

Han makes sense as 3 per case for the above reason.

Bib and Leia work as 2 pers, but I think they will be fast to fly off the pegs as they are very nice sculpts that most collectors will be clamoring for (only because of the openers)!

Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: Ben on October 7, 2005, 11:49 PM
If this type of repack/new figure ratio holds, I can look to cut my SW spending by 50%. Most excellent.

I might stop altogether after these, unless the Hoth wave is really cool looking.
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: TheBlackDog65 on October 8, 2005, 02:29 AM
I'll pass on all for sure except for Bib, and I'll have to see Leia to see. I guess I am the lone wolf as I just cannot be excited for this stuff. Leia could be cool, and I'll probably get her. I'll get Bib because I want a new one. Han, sorry, I have to pass. I don't see articulation or enough there to justify buying the figure, its yucky to quote my daugther. Boba and Chewie, I have em, including both versions of Boba.
I guess I compare the repacks to old girlfriends; been there and done it, no need to do it again. I will ALWAYS pass on any rehashes that I already have. So, overall, this wave does not have me in the hunter mode to find it.
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: Paul on October 8, 2005, 10:49 PM
they are definately not what I wanted as my "ultimates" of each sculpt, and I really wish they would stick to Super Articulation for Major Characters (Han Solo, cough cough)... but I am just glad to see OT figures again.  Hasbro knows they had me at "A long time ago....."

My wish/hopes for the Hoth wave are pretty much tempered now though.  I won't have my hopes up, which will be good, if my expectaions are not too high, not only can I not be disappointed, I might even be surprised....
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: Scott on October 9, 2005, 12:48 AM
I'm not real high on any of these right now either.  Especially 3 of the 6 being repacks. 

I've said repeatedly that the line dies after this year and the repacks to me mean that Hasbro is milking this for all its worth.

I'm really ambivalent, to be honest.  The line has given so so much, there are about 10 figures I'd be bummed if they never did, there are about 5 resculpts that would again suck if they didn't get to but for the most part, I can say they went much much farther than I ever thought they would

Not spending the money on putting out a NEW Barada (or at least ******* repainting the damn thing) or making someone like Sgt Doallyn....it sucks but it is what it is, and when the pegs are full of shite in 9 months and Wal*Mar tells Hasbro to hose off, hopefully most of those 15 figures I want have been made
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: Nathan on October 9, 2005, 04:01 PM
P.S. to my earlier post: unless the paint on Barada is noticeably different, I doubt I'll buy it since I already have the old version. For some reason I was thinking it was new. (Just me bein' stoopid.)

That isn't a bad figure, but he's not spectacular enough that I need two, and IMO he's not really generic enough for army building or background filler.
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: Darth Broem on October 9, 2005, 04:35 PM
Oh I agree with Scott.  Hasbro has churned out a ton of stuff I never thought they would.  I am happy for the most part.  It is just nagging when they have made some really obscure stuff that nobody really asked for much like say Ach Med Baq or whatever his name is but yet most everyone would like to see a R5-D4 resculpt, Hermi Odle, CZ-3, Hem Dazon, etc.  That is when it kind of sucks for me I guess.  But I am not sitting at home to upset about it. 
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: speedermike on October 9, 2005, 07:34 PM
In the long run, I think Hasbro will make all of those figures that we want (CZ-3 and so on...) but they know that they've got to spread out all of the goodies over the next few years.  In truth, they've made many, many things I'd never thought we'd see, so I am hopefull that we'll get what we want. It's just a waiting game now.
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: CHEWIE on October 9, 2005, 09:16 PM
I'll keep being an optimist with this line since I have been since 1995- we will get figures like a CZ droid, Hermie Odle, etc. eventually.  If Hasbro jumped in and made all these figures like some people wanted years ago (including myself) then what left would there be to make other than constant resculpts and rehashes?  This is the way to keep the line going, and as a lifetime fan, I wish to see the line go on for years, not to get everything left that I want made in one big bang and then it to be over.  That would be fun for about a year, then it would suck. 

Keep the line going.  Include rehashes and resculpts when necessary.  And I by no means worship Hasbro, but in what was considered a non-collector's year in 2005, I think it's been the best year for collecting in the modern era.

Plus, don't forget there is a TV series coming.  That means more figures.

 :P
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: Scott on October 9, 2005, 10:14 PM
Each wave they make though is another year probably that we WON'T be getting a Hermi Odle or a Hem Dazon...again...its not Hasbro that will end the line, its retail and by reissuing stuff to people who already have everything over and over, that to me means pegwarmers and the end of the line
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: Darby on October 10, 2005, 01:04 AM
I wouldn't say I'm an optimist when it comes to hasbro, but a pragmatist.  Everything is eventual.  That's for sure.  Hasbro, given the time and opportunity, will make all the figs we want, because otherwise, they're out of business.  On the other hand, I can understand the anxiety of some who worry the market will abandon SW before Hasbro meets their demand.  I think it's a real risk, but I don't think the bottom is about to fall out of SW by any stretch of the imagination.
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: CHEWIE on October 10, 2005, 02:00 PM
I don't think it's about to fall out either.  Look how great the OTC line did, and that was almost entirely repacks.  If we can get at least 50% new sculpts and make lower production numbers on most of the repacks, I think the line will be fine.

I also remember back in 1997-1998 or so collectors were saying that Hasbro would NEVER do repacks.  I remember getting into arguments saying that I wanted the Ishi Tib and Gamorrean figure to be re-released, and later the Commtech Stormtrooper... about 99% of the people seemed to say that it wouldn't ever happen.  I'd like to see the Ishi Tib put out again in 2006, or even a new sculpt but they could use the same head.

 :P
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: Nathan on October 10, 2005, 03:27 PM
^ Yeah, not to go totally off the subject, but it does bug me that they never rerelease any of the rarer/less common figures (such as Ree-Yees, Ishi Tib, POTF2 Expanded Universe, SA Clone, Holo Sid, etc.), and instead repack the same damn crappy figures over and over. In principle I don't have a knee-jerk hate for repacks, but Hasbro's process for choosing them really sucks. ::)
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: Darth_Anton on October 10, 2005, 11:15 PM
^ Yeah, not to go totally off the subject, but it does bug me that they never rerelease any of the rarer/less common figures (such as Ree-Yees, Ishi Tib, POTF2 Expanded Universe, SA Clone, Holo Sid, etc.), and instead repack the same damn crappy figures over and over. In principle I don't have a knee-jerk hate for repacks, but Hasbro's process for choosing them really sucks. ::)

I totally agree, but I think the way Hasbro sees it, those figures didn't sell because no one bought them. Why repack them? Failing to recognize the fact that no one bought them because they couldn't get them.
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: LandotheScoundrel on October 11, 2005, 11:33 AM
New pics of the Carkoon wave at GH.com (http://www.galactichunter.com/absolutenm/templates/full_article_template_1.asp?articleid=5002&zoneid=2)

I love that Bib Fortuna figure...and Boussh is super ******* cool also. Han is ok. Would have like ball jointed knees, but I'll take what I can get. I wonder if he has the disguised ball jointed knees like the ROTS Dooku?

The rest I can pass on.
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: Brian on October 11, 2005, 11:40 AM
Just saw those pics as well, and I think the figures look pretty good too.  The rehashes are...well....rehashes, but I think I'll pick the Chewie up and maybe Barada just because I don't already have him.  I think the Boussh looks like the winner of the wave, and seems to be well articulated.  The Han looks pretty nice from a sculpt/paint standpoint, but could have used a little more articulation too.  Bib looks to be a nice improvement over the POTF2 sculpt, and one that many of us have been hoping would be done.  Overall, it may be the excitement over new OT product or just because these figures seem to be nice improvements, but I'm pretty excited for this wave.  The "hi res" pictures always seem to make things look better, so we'll have to see once they start showing up...but so far, so good.  At least we have a better idea of the sculpt and articulation with these closer shots.
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: Nathan on October 11, 2005, 12:34 PM
^ Yeah, not to go totally off the subject, but it does bug me that they never rerelease any of the rarer/less common figures (such as Ree-Yees, Ishi Tib, POTF2 Expanded Universe, SA Clone, Holo Sid, etc.), and instead repack the same damn crappy figures over and over. In principle I don't have a knee-jerk hate for repacks, but Hasbro's process for choosing them really sucks. ::)

I totally agree, but I think the way Hasbro sees it, those figures didn't sell because no one bought them. Why repack them? Failing to recognize the fact that no one bought them because they couldn't get them.

Yep....

You know, sometimes I get suspicious they do stuff just to spite us. Honestly.

Either that or they're afraid of pissing off the secondary market (a.k.a. scalpers and speculators).
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: Jeff on October 11, 2005, 01:18 PM
New pics of the Carkoon wave at GH.com (http://www.galactichunter.com/absolutenm/templates/full_article_template_1.asp?articleid=5002&zoneid=2)

Wow, that Boushh is fantastic.  What a HUGE improvement over the PotF2 version - I love the pony tail!

Han - Yeah, would be nice if he had better articulation (since it looks like Boushh has ball jointed knees and shoulders).  As for the block, it looks like it's cast in red plastic then silver painted over it... it's kind of growing on me.

Bib - I like him, but I kinda don't like the face, a nice blank "I will take you to jabba now" expression would have been better than the scowling one IMHO.

Barada/Fett - look the same with a few small paint ap changes

Chewy - Eh, I'll probbaly buy him carded, but don't need an opener if the chain is the only difference - and he doesn't even come with a gun?   ::)
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: CHEWIE on October 11, 2005, 01:48 PM
Wow, Bib Fortuna looks like the best of the bunch to me.  Can't wait to get that figure.

Leia is awesome too... the Han is pretty good, but could use better articulation.

 :P
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: Ryan on October 11, 2005, 03:54 PM
Chewie sucks. It is just the arena Padme chain with a collar on that crappy Chewie sculpt. They should have used the VOTC Fett, but they could have even used the SAGA Bespin version. The 3 new figures are fantastic. I'd have like more articulation on Han but oh well. I'll have 2 get at leat 2 loose so I can have a melting block and a solid grey block. I think the blook is great, I liked the potf2 block, I think this one is an improvement on it. As for the Fett and the Barada, I'll probably pass.
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: LandotheScoundrel on October 11, 2005, 04:58 PM
I love the fact that Bib comes with a little shiv rather than a giant laser rifle or something like that. Bib Fortuna is more the kind of guy to stab someone in back or slip his dagger between someone's ribs. The accessory suits him. And, unless I'm mistaken—I think that's the same dagger shown in the Star Wars: Visual Dictionary next to Bib Fortuna. Does anyone know where there'a a scan of that page?
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: CHEWIE on October 11, 2005, 05:04 PM
I like the dagger too.  I think he puts poison on the tips of the daggers.

 :P
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: Reid on October 11, 2005, 07:39 PM
I love the fact that Bib comes with a little shiv rather than a giant laser rifle or something like that. Bib Fortuna is more the kind of guy to stab someone in back or slip his dagger between someone's ribs. The accessory suits him. And, unless I'm mistaken—I think that's the same dagger shown in the Star Wars: Visual Dictionary next to Bib Fortuna. Does anyone know where there'a a scan of that page?


I like him having the knive because A, we rarely get knives as accesories, and B, the POTF2 release had him packaged with something like 150+ Guns. :P
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: Nathan on October 11, 2005, 07:45 PM
Chewie sucks. It is just the arena Padme chain with a collar on that crappy Chewie sculpt. They should have used the VOTC Fett, but they could have even used the SAGA Bespin version.

The Saga Bespin one has the ESB-style slicked-back hair, whereas this one has the ROTJ 'do. Of course the irony is that this was originally "ESB Falcon Mechanic" so his hair was inaccurate from the get-go and is only now getting associated with the right movie. ::)

Then again for Saga2 they could have put a new head on that Saga Chewie....
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: Reid on October 11, 2005, 08:02 PM
GH has hi-res pics of the Carkoon wave. (http://www.galactichunter.com/absolutenm/templates/full_article_template_1.asp?articleid=5002&zoneid=2) Looks pretty smoking!

The Thermal Detonator in Boushh's hand looks like it may or may not be sculpted on her. Every time I look at Bib and his uber-cool knife accesorie, it makes me want to get him more. I'm definitly gettin' that Barada. Fan-freaking tastic!

Bib reminds me of the Vintage fig with his scary satan teeth mouth (http://www.galactichunter.com/photo.asp?image=absolutenm/articlefiles/5002-005.jpg). :D
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: speedermike on October 11, 2005, 08:17 PM
Yeah, these look real nice.  My only complaint is that I wish that Bib had ball jointed shoulders.  He didn't really do much in the film, but he did raise his arms and point in an odd way. It would have been cool to for him to be able to do that.

Also, now I may just be nit picking here, but wan't Han's shirt untucked throughout the whole Skiff scene?
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: Darth_Anton on October 11, 2005, 09:00 PM
Also, now I may just be nit picking here, but wan't Han's shirt untucked throughout the whole Skiff scene?

Yeah, you're right. :P I guess he's pre-fight Han. Or maybe he'll come with a soft goods shirt accessory. ;D
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: Diddly on October 11, 2005, 09:00 PM
Looking good, I'm definately skipping Chewie and Fett now. Boussh and Bib are top priority for me.
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: Jesse James on October 12, 2005, 02:07 AM
Bib's even cooler than I thought, and for those who didn't know, his knife accessory is accurate and from the film but didn't seem to appear anywhere.  The accessory showed up in the Vis. Dictionary for the Classic Trilogy though if I recall correctly.  So it's really cool that the little dagger shows up as his accessory.  Be cool if they managed to get a working holster hidden on him somewhere that hides the little hold-out blaster he supposedly had as well, but whatever.

Boussh looks great...  I'm just curious about the arm articulation and the detonator's removability (which I'm assuming it is removable, but I could see it not being).

Han's my biggest disappointment...  I really think knee articulation was a must, as this figure should've equalled the Cantina wave in overall quality.  Han wasn't a statue at the battle, he was actually quite active, and while the arm articulation's good enough, the legs needed extra umph.  I will say the headsculpt's grown on me and looks a lot more like Ford than it seemed at first.  The sculpt overall is quite nice actually.

Barada and Fett are pretty much a pass, definitely for Fett who I have both his variations already anyway.  Chewie I keep thinking I want the chain accessory, especially if there's a collar that comes off there that I can transfer it to a VOTC Chewie I have waiting for just this purpose.
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: DoctorPadawan on October 12, 2005, 10:08 AM
Boussh looks great... I'm just curious about the arm articulation and the detonator's removability (which I'm assuming it is removable, but I could see it not being).

I'm pretty sure it is, Jesse.  I remember getting a slight chuckle out of the carded shot that MouseDroid had up a week or so ago, because the Choking Hazard label said something about "Small ball and parts."   :D

Princess Leia: Alderaanian heroine or closet transsexual?  Film at 11!

That said, the Boussh looks great and is a big improvement on the POTF2 version, which I really liked and still do.  Han is cool too, although I do lament the lack of articulation in the legs and shoulders; I adore the block, and I really hope they do a running change that isn't red so we can have a regular gray block.  Bib looks cool, if a bit goofy, but I still say the vintage version is the best one done in terms of quality.

Boba, Chewie, and Barada are now definite passes for me.  The Fett is cool, mainly for the base, but Barada and Chewie are pointless.  Here's to hoping the rest of the repacks during the course of the year are this quality so it will save me some money!  :P

Question though: is the Carbonite block a solid piece or is yet another "open back" block? 
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: ruiner on October 12, 2005, 01:33 PM
Something doesn't look quite right in regards to Han's face/head.  Looks a little off. 

I'm going to go out on a limb and say that the Carbonite block is hollow on the flip side because of the way the piece comes out of the mold.  But that's just a guess.

Bib and Boussh sure do kick ass though!  I always thought the SOTE Leia was pretty darn accurate....shows how much I know.   8)

Bib is a 100% improvement over his previous version.  Gotta love the shank accessory!
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: Darth Broem on October 12, 2005, 07:59 PM
I love the fact that Bib comes with a little shiv rather than a giant laser rifle or something like that. Bib Fortuna is more the kind of guy to stab someone in back or slip his dagger between someone's ribs. The accessory suits him. And, unless I'm mistaken—I think that's the same dagger shown in the Star Wars: Visual Dictionary next to Bib Fortuna. Does anyone know where there'a a scan of that page?


I agree with you about Bib's knife.  Although I think Bib is too much of a wuss to actually stab anyone.  I think he uses that knife to cut peel apples and pick the dirt out from under his finger and toe nails :) 

I know that was a great contribution to this thread!
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: Reid on October 12, 2005, 08:02 PM
I love the fact that Bib comes with a little shiv rather than a giant laser rifle or something like that. Bib Fortuna is more the kind of guy to stab someone in back or slip his dagger between someone's ribs. The accessory suits him. And, unless I'm mistaken—I think that's the same dagger shown in the Star Wars: Visual Dictionary next to Bib Fortuna. Does anyone know where there'a a scan of that page?


I agree with you about Bib's knife. Although I think Bib is too much of a wuss to actually stab anyone. I think he uses that knife to cut peel apples and pick the dirt out from under his finger and toe nails :)

I know that was a great contribution to this thread!
I have the OT Vis. Dictionary, and it does say that he rubs poison on his knive... so I don't think he picks his fingernails with it. Or his nose. Or his ass, for that matter.  :P
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: LandotheScoundrel on October 13, 2005, 10:02 AM
Maybe he uses it to cut the cheese?

Oh ****, that was stupid.
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: speedermike on October 13, 2005, 11:52 AM
LOL! Ed, that totally made me spit up my tuna sandwich!  Way to go.  My wife thinks I'm disgusting and childish.
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: jedipurge on October 13, 2005, 01:42 PM
now what would be cool if the carb block had some sort of light in it to turn the melting effect on or off, or if it was a two sided block one side the way we see it and the other a melted carb block like the i believe came with the Jabba Palace Dio.  oh what the heck am i thinking that would actually require hasbro to go out of their way for something, silly me.  another thing though why is only his upper half red.  last time i watched the movie it looked like his whole body was melting at once not in stages.
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: LandotheScoundrel on October 13, 2005, 01:46 PM
LOL! Ed, that totally made me spit up my tuna sandwich!  Way to go.  My wife thinks I'm disgusting and childish.

I aim to please!  ;D
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: Reid on October 13, 2005, 04:19 PM
Maybe he uses it to cut the cheese?

Oh ****, that was stupid.

It sure was stupid. And childish.  >:(  >:(


jk. 


 :P

Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: Ryan on October 13, 2005, 04:32 PM
LOL! Ed, that totally made me spit up my tuna sandwich!  Way to go.  My wife thinks I'm disgusting and childish.

You'd better be on Eastern time, cause eating a tuna sammich at 9:45 in the morning is gross. :P
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: speedermike on October 14, 2005, 12:04 PM
I'm in NY, but I've eaten stranger things at 9:45...

Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: Diddly on October 15, 2005, 12:57 PM
I was just wondering, do you guys thing they cut Han short of leg articulation to match the Saga Skiff Guard Lando from two years ago? He has an awesome upper body articulation wise, but they skimped out on the legs.

And I agree about his sculpt, he looks a bit off. Then again, it kind of looks like the VOTC scuplt, so who knows. It may look better in person.
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: Darth Broem on October 17, 2005, 07:49 PM
I definately believe that Han was going to be used at the end of the Saga line had the DVD repacks not come out. 
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: Reid on October 29, 2005, 10:20 PM
RS has some VERY detailed pics of the Carkoon wave. Checkem' out here (http://www.rebelscum.com/story/front/Details_On_The_Saga_Collection_95573.asp)
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: Darby on October 29, 2005, 10:48 PM
Boussh may be one of the best figs they've ever done.  Han still sucks.   :)
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: Darth_Anton on October 31, 2005, 09:50 AM
RS has some VERY detailed pics of the Carkoon wave. Checkem' out here (http://www.rebelscum.com/story/front/Details_On_The_Saga_Collection_95573.asp)

Saw those pix. Definate improvements and I egerly await their arrival at retail.
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: Brian on November 1, 2005, 09:32 AM
Hasbro (http://www.hasbro.com/starwars/pl/page.news/newsID.46F6EF36-D56F-E112-43BF7F122E8EFF88/default.cfm) finally has their update up on the first wave of The Saga Collection, slated for 2006.  We've seen them all by now, but you can find pics and info at their update above.
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: Jeff on November 1, 2005, 09:49 AM
(http://hasbro.com/common/images/news/starwars/85801_Leia_Boushh_Basic_Figure_lg.jpg)

Wow, just wow.  This really is a fantastic figure.  It completely blows the SotE version away.  I don't even really care what kind of articulation is has, the sculpt is fantastic IMHO.   :)
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: Darth_Anton on November 1, 2005, 10:00 AM
My only complaint about the Boushh is that the Helmet is too big. Very nice otherwise.
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: SilverZ on November 1, 2005, 01:24 PM
I see that the Boba Fett, though basically a rehash, has a much better paint job and colors, along with a proper missle in his pack, instead of that shitastic button. That makes him a definite opener for me.

Barada looks like he's been given a much better deco as well. He might be worth getting an extra to open as well.

Hopefully the rest of the rehashes will stay at this level of upgrade/modification. I can live with what they've done here.
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: JesseVader08 on November 1, 2005, 04:28 PM
I see that the Boba Fett, though basically a rehash, has a much better paint job and colors, along with a proper missle in his pack, instead of that shitastic button. That makes him a definite opener for me.

Well, maybe that means they took out the action feature altogether, because it really affects how well he poses on the flames - he just looks awkward.   :-\

I'd love to have one that displays better, because the idea behind the figure is great, but the annoying action feature got in the way.
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: Darth Broem on November 1, 2005, 09:02 PM
Bib and Leia Boushh look better ever time I see a new picture of them.  I like Han for the Carbonite block itself really.  I have to admit that I am kind of liking those mini-holograms more and more.
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: Reid on November 2, 2005, 06:36 PM
Looks like the Fett is the VOTC version.

BARADA INCLUDES A HOLO STORMIE!!!!

Yes! Now my army of translucent warriors will be complete.
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: Jeff on November 2, 2005, 06:52 PM
Looks like the Fett is the VOTC version.

Hmmm, now that you mention it...

I was just looking at the Rebelscum Photo (http://www.rebelscum.com/photo.asp?image=http://www.rebelscum.com/toys2005/TSC006boba2.jpg), and it looks like the Saga2 Fett is part vOTC, part Carkoon Fett - definitely a kit-bash.

The legs are definitely the vOTC legs (the placement of the knee pads and the dent in the crotch are the give-away).  The upper torso/arms are definitely the old Carkoon sculpt though.
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: Jesse James on November 2, 2005, 09:09 PM
*scratches his head*

I MAY want this now...  That combination of parts is ok, but I dunno...  I know my gf's kids want him if he's not too hard to find, but I just don't get why they'd do this kitbash and not just a straight VOTC re-release?  They're both ROTJ... 

Should've done a VOTC re-release in ESB Deco.
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: Diddly on November 2, 2005, 11:41 PM
Fock.

And he comes with a Holo Dooku too. Now I may have to get one. :-\
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: Nathan on November 3, 2005, 12:08 AM
The holos are randomized....
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: Brian on November 3, 2005, 09:12 AM
Quote
Hmmm, now that you mention it...

I was just looking at the Rebelscum Photo, and it looks like the Saga2 Fett is part vOTC, part Carkoon Fett - definitely a kit-bash.

The legs are definitely the vOTC legs (the placement of the knee pads and the dent in the crotch are the give-away).  The upper torso/arms are definitely the old Carkoon sculpt though.

I didn't take the time to look at the Fett pic up close, figuring it would be a "pass" for me...but now that I see that, you guys are right.  It does look like VOTC legs on the Carkoon Fett.  Why they didn't just re-release the entire VOTC Fett figure I have no idea, that makes no sense at all.  I might be a little more tempted by this figure now, we'll see, if it was the entire VOTC figure repacked for $5-6 I'd buy another.
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: Darth_Anton on November 3, 2005, 09:51 AM


  Why they didn't just re-release the entire VOTC Fett figure I have no idea, that makes no sense at all.  I might be a little more tempted by this figure now.

You answered your own question. ;)
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: TheBlackDog65 on November 3, 2005, 03:57 PM
Sorry, if it was the VOTC then I might pick it up. The 300th Fett is still by far one of my favorite figures so until they beat that . . . . I'll pass.
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: Diddly on November 3, 2005, 06:36 PM
The holos are randomized....

Argh, I keep forgetting that. Now I can pass. Pfew! :)
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: Paul on November 3, 2005, 06:36 PM
I just got my Han in Carbonite...be sure you check to see if his hair is fully painted.

And just for record keeping I got a Queen Amidala with funny head dress hologram.


This Han  figure is a let down.  But if VOTC 2005 has the Han Endor with VOTC 2004 Han articulation, I'll get over it.

Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: SilverZ on November 3, 2005, 07:00 PM
How does the likeness on the new figure hold up to the VOTC version when you see it in person?
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: Paul on November 3, 2005, 11:02 PM
How does the likeness on the new figure hold up to the VOTC version when you see it in person?

Personally...it looks like the sculptor that did the head is the same one that did OTC Dago"blah" Luke...

so really no comparison...but that is coming from someone who thinks the VOTC Han is probably the best figure ever made.

I'm holding out hope for the Leia though.
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: Jesse James on November 4, 2005, 01:16 AM
VOTC Han is the best. :)  Best Solo likeness IMO anyway. 

Got this early Paul?  Cool man.
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: SpudTrooper on November 12, 2005, 08:13 PM
Got my hands on the Saga 06 Boba Fett at a local trade show..i must say the only good part was the mini hologram figure, the packing was alittle bit weird for me, but i'll take it. it was going for $30
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: JesseVader08 on November 13, 2005, 01:18 PM
How does it compare to the original Carkoon Fett?  Have they removed the action feature?
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: CHEWIE on November 13, 2005, 04:50 PM
Darth Delicious has the Han figure already (and customized it to boot!) so maybe he can give us an in-depth review on it.

To me, the Fett is a bad repack... I won't be buying it.  But I am sure some people are delighted that it's being re-released.

 :P
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: SpudTrooper on November 14, 2005, 02:25 AM
How does it compare to the original Carkoon Fett?  Have they removed the action feature?

haha i didnt buy it, so i wouldnt know, but from the looks of it, its a repack of the previous Saga.
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: JediMAC on November 18, 2005, 04:57 AM
So, has anyone been laying predictions yet as to when this wave is gonna hit retail?  I'm really hoping it's sometime around Christmas, before the New Year, to give us something more to hunt for.  Most folks I know are relatively caught up with the Final 12 now, so aside from the grey Clone Evos, and WM Twin sets, the first wave of TSC is all that we have to look forward to at this point.  So hopefully it'll trickle out much earlier than Hasbro is suggesting, as usual...

Otherwise, we'll just continue on our path to boredom for another month or two, I guess...
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: Jesse James on November 18, 2005, 05:23 AM
Since the final 12 aren't here in any good abundance really, aside from the Clone Commanders, I'm not terribly hot on a new line coming up...  Most of the final 12 have been either been sporatically sighted or (in the case of the final 5) non-existant practically.  Always a couple months behind out here it seems.
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: speedermike on November 18, 2005, 07:21 AM
The last shipment of any collection can be hard to find, but often it shows up in acceptable numbers 4-6 months later.

I think TSC will hit in the next 2-3 weeks.  I'm worried that it won't be here before x-mas, and will be a b*tch to find at retail in the post x-mas toy slump.
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: Jim on November 18, 2005, 07:45 AM
I thinking this wave will start to leak on Black Friday.  This seems to be the case over the last 5 years with new Series.
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: Brian on November 18, 2005, 09:02 AM
I wouldn't mind if they started showing up a little earlier, just because I'm really looking forward to some new OT goodness.  But, aside from that, I'm not quite "caught up" yet since the final 5 hasn't shown up here yet.  I'm hoping to get 3 of those 5 (501st, R4, Wookiee), and it would be nice to have those so I can truly be caught up before TSC starts showing.  Other than that, its just waiting for those WM Twin Sets to show up.
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: TheBlackDog65 on November 21, 2005, 11:31 AM
Posted similiar thoughts somewhere else but  I really think the first wave will be harder to  come by at first. My reasoning is that by mid December I think the last of the ROTS will ship out. Jan. will see clearance of ROTS items, the intro of this wave in limited numbers due to inventory. Inventory in Jan. always slows up new stuff so I don't think we'll the new wave in depth unil Feb.
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: ruiner on November 21, 2005, 01:29 PM
Mass retailers usually reset their aisles sometime in December - my guess would be mid to late December before you see the new TSC figures.

I am surprised at the reports of the new unleashed minis hitting already...
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: Morgbug on November 22, 2005, 12:53 AM
One of the TRU employees up in Toronto posted on snowtroopers.ca that the ETA is December 03 up here, so you guys have to be due any day now.  He didn't clarify if that's the warehouse or street date, but he's been damn accurate throughout all of ROTS with respect to product, dates, etc. 
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: Darth_Anton on November 22, 2005, 09:28 AM
Although I wouldn't mind a nice break from new stuff hitting (I always use this time to hunt down holes in my collection,) I know that we'll be seeing them in about 2-3 weeks like ruiner said.
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: Brian on November 29, 2005, 11:37 AM
It looks like Rebelscum (http://www.rebelscum.com/TSC001leiaboushh.asp) has gotten a hold of the Carkoon wave, with a Photo Archive update of Leia in Disguise, as well as a group shot of the whole wave.  I'm looking forward to this figure, and the wave/line overall.  Finally some OT goodness is back :).
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: Reid on November 29, 2005, 04:11 PM
RS says the price for the basic figs are $6.99. I hope its a geuss.  ???
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: Darby on November 29, 2005, 08:59 PM
It's going to be a lean year for Darb if that's true.   :(
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: Darth_Anton on November 30, 2005, 12:29 PM
RS says the price for the basic figs are $6.99. I hope its a geuss.  ???

That was the MSRP for the ROTS figures as well. Wal-Mart will most likely force the price down to $5.99 if not lower.

You have to give credit where credit is due and RS does do very nice photospreads for the figures (not to disregard Jared's talent.) The Leia is looking real sharp and will be a most welcome addition.

But, I still think the helmet is too big.
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: Jesse James on December 2, 2005, 12:30 AM
In regards to MSRP, I was reading some comical thoughts on this around the net...  Some people are so in love with the big H that they even seem to think that we SHOULD pay more for these figures because apparantly some are under the belief that retail takes a loss on Star Wars figures paying $5 or more per figure.

I agree with you Anton, as the ROTS line was MSRP $6.99.  I think what we may see is an early attempt to jack the price up and test the waters...  But either things will bog down quickly and cause them to tip their hands, or retail will get into the competition fights and WM/Target will normalize prices on their own with TRU following suit and KB/KM saying screw you all.

I'm not wild about $6.99 figures, and I don't believe that the line's worth that at its current status either, but I do think there's some overreaction going on around the net right now...  And for those who think retail actually takes a loss on Star Wars, the best way to figure out if they are is to look at what they're willing to cut prices down to on a sale.  K-Mart's black Friday sale was $3.50 per figure (BOGO), and I know they didn't take a loss on that, they just moved product at a lower profit margin...  WM and Target supposedly do better financially for Hasbro and with the line in general and I'd imagine they may even get things for cheaper than KM.  I can't believe anyone would have a hard-on for Star Wars toys to the point that they'd accept $6.99 prices under the delusion that retail takes a loss on Star Wars.  That just makes so little sense to me.
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: Darby on December 2, 2005, 04:35 AM
I expect it will be $5.99 or $5.88 or whatever at WM, and I guess that will be okay, since I'll be buying less next year.  Hasbro has to realize though that one reason the line moves the way it does is the price; casual collectors/kids/parents start balking at anything over five bucks (so I've noticed).
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: Jesse James on December 2, 2005, 04:50 AM
Kinda like vehicles...  You can make it as nice as you want but when you break $30 you are in sketchy territory for sales. 

I dont' like it much myself but the ARC isn't a bad toy at all for $30, same with the gunship, and while the ARC's not hot this year (I'm amazed), the Gunship wasn't hot in the past when kiddies weren't around even really...  CW, Saga...  Gunships were a dime a dozen.

ROTS they're not so, but they also didn't ship much and have a "rare" mystique about them so people are buying them to hoard, scalp, or as trade bait on top of kiddies actually being there...  So I'm willing to look at that with a grain of salt as being positive.  If the ARC Fighter isn't selling well then to me $30's just a pricepoint people don't want to go to.

$20 JSF's moved fairly well though and some areas never saw AT-RT's and stuff.  Price can make or break specific areas of the line and I agree that it can be a deciding factor for figures too.

I think $5.88-ish is sufficient, that was what a lot of ROTS was costing as I recall.  $4.77 is really nice though, I'd like it to stay in that $4.99 range because I really felt a lot more value out of the majority of figures.  The higher price gets though, the more Cat Minn or Passel Argente start to look like a real ass reaming where you get just a chunk of painted plastic, and not much of anything else.

$6.99 and everyone's got super articulation or close though?  I'm in on that. :)  But last I looked Carkoon Fett's lacking quite a bit, as were some of the Hoth figures...  So I ain't counting on a massive quality increase (decrease seemed more like it to me).
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: Brian on December 2, 2005, 09:44 AM
I agree with what Jesse is saying.  The $4.99ish pricepoint is great to me too, and I think it appeals more to casual buyers as well.  I also think that we'll see the $5.88-$5.99 pricepoint to start off the new line next year, and it might fluctuate down from that to our current pricepoint, or it might not.  I don't think (and hope) we will see $6.99, but I guess you never know.  I remember paying about $8 for some figures during the Phantom Menace line, which seems insane to me know.  Like Jesse mentioned, if we were getting figure quality on the level of much of the VOTC, or like the ROTS Obi-Wan Pilot figure, I'd pay $6.99 each.  I'd rather pay $5, but the figures would seem more worthy of the higher price if they were all of that quality.  Outside of that, figures like Passel Argente and Caat Miin can stay on the pegs at those high prices.

The vehicles pricepoint is another good point.  I've been trying to keep an eye on the ROTS vehicles this year, and they seemed to have sold pretty well in my area.  The $30 pricepoint really seems to be the "absolute top dollar" for a vehicle/playset, especially among casual customers.  There are a lot of collectors that will end up paying even more if it is something we haven't seen before, but I know many of us even scoff at pricepoints now.  Exclusives are of course higher, and almost always above $30 anymore, and that might be one of the main avenues that we're able to see vehicles from here on out without movie support.  Also, with the ARC fighter, I thought that was a real nice toy for $30 and I can't understand why they would sit anywhere.  They can't be found around here, but I know that's not necessarily true elsewhere.  Its too bad, I know if I was a kid I'd be thrilled to have a SW toy like that waiting under the tree at Christmas ;).
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: Darth_Anton on December 2, 2005, 10:00 AM
As a side note, isn't it amazing that the price of basic figures has always hovered around $5 at it's lowest point over the last 10 years - and Gas has gone up over a buck a gallon.
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: Darth Slothus on December 2, 2005, 11:50 AM
for you maybe...but when I consider 10 years ago I was paying 88 cents a gallon-I realize gas has gone up alot more. Strange how the SW prices seem to hover around that price Anthony...kinda defies inflation laws doesn't it? Especially when you consider we havn't experienced this "mini-recession" for 10 years.
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: Darth Tedious on December 4, 2005, 09:44 AM
I managed to score the Carkoon Wave at TRU yesterday (as seen in the TSC Recent Purchases Thread).

I am really pleased with the overall quality of the figures. I told myself I wouldn't be buying Fett or Barada, but after seeing them, I couldn't resist.

The paint app on these guys is top notch. Rather than basic or super articulation across the board, they have a more character specific articulation. Bib, for example, has a movable head and lower arms and that's it. His lack of articulation, however, is more than made up for with a beautifully detailed sculpt.

He is my second fave in the wave after Boussh. Plenty of articulation here to go with a great sculpting job. Really cool accessories top it all off. The figure is in perfect scale. She is SMALL! Coming up to just over Chewbacca's waist and up to Han's shoulder.

In the new sculpts I can see several areas where Hasbro could have cut corners in the sculpts or paint apps and they didn't. If I have 1 gripe about this wave, it would be that I would liked to have seen a VOTC Fett instead of the action feature Carkoon Fett.

But overall, I am really pleased with these figures. I am really excited about what else Saga 2006 has in store!URLName (http://www.yoururl.com)ftp://
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: ruiner on December 5, 2005, 01:53 PM
Did everyone see the post over at RS showing Boba Fett wtih all 12 holograms?  I wonder if all of the OCD collectors (JediMac) will feel the need to buy all of these variations?   :P

Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: Jayson on December 5, 2005, 01:56 PM
There are only 6
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: Clone Commander on December 5, 2005, 05:29 PM
So...when will they be released?
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: Jeff on December 5, 2005, 05:35 PM
So...when will they be released?

Look a few posts up...

I managed to score the Carkoon Wave at TRU yesterday (as seen in the TSC Recent Purchases Thread).

A few folks in Canada have already found them at local TRU stores... should be in the USA very soon!
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: Morgbug on December 8, 2005, 05:24 PM
Found them today and the ratio sucks.  I'm shopping for three people on this so who gets the Barada? ::)  They all do look quite nice but I'm trying to optimize my holograms so I actually left a few figures behind rather than by them with, yep, the rebel fleet trooper :-X 

The Fett's were all packed with the same hologram something that would have been great had it not been Sidious in each. 

Card's are nice too, sure to be easier to manage for MOMC folks than those accursed ROTS cards were.
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: Jesse James on December 8, 2005, 11:02 PM
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rather than by them with, yep, the rebel fleet trooper

Sucks.
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: Clone Commander on December 8, 2005, 11:48 PM
I only want Boba, han and leia from the carkoon wave, 3 bobas actually!
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: Darth_Anton on December 17, 2005, 11:44 AM
I got to see this wave up close and personal yesterday at a shop here in LA. I know for a fact that they were not purchased at retail, so don't get excited. I thought the Han and Leia looked awesome. Bib was just okay and can't say I'm a fan of the Fett kit bash.
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: CHEWIE on December 17, 2005, 02:43 PM
I should have Han, Leia and Bib sometime next week via a trade.  Will customize a Bib for sure, and probably the Han.  I'm sure they will be very easy to find here in stores soon anyway.  Might as well get and early jump on customizing the new stuff.   :)

 :P
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: ruiner on December 22, 2005, 02:09 PM
Can an opener verify if the back of the carbonite block is "hollow?"



Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: Jayson on December 22, 2005, 02:19 PM
please forgive the link to the site that of which will not be named… :P

http://www.rebelscum.com/photo.asp?image=/TSC/TSC002hancarbonitebk.jpg
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: CHEWIE on December 22, 2005, 04:29 PM
The back is kind of hollow - but I don't think Han really fits in it.  Found these today, only had a chance to open Han - had to drive like a mad man to get back to work.  I'll try and take a few extra reference pics tomorrow.

 :P
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: Diddly on December 22, 2005, 06:43 PM
A friend of mine said these hit local Wally Worlds today, but traffic is horrible out. I'm hoping these are still here next week, unless I can get out tomorrow, which is unlikely.
Title: Carkoon Spotted in Canada!
Post by: Clone Commander on December 23, 2005, 09:31 PM
Hi, I have spotted the Carkoon wave at Toys r Us and Zellers.
I have also spotted the tie interceptor and A-wing Lego sets at Zellers across the city. ;D
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: JesseVader08 on December 23, 2005, 09:43 PM
Congrats on your find! 

(I merged your post with the existing discussion about the Carkoon wave)
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: Vator on December 23, 2005, 10:03 PM
So I guess I'm the only one army-building with Barada? Nice.  8)

Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: Clone Commander on December 24, 2005, 01:12 AM
I have yet to see Barada.
I hope I can find a couple of Bobas.
The best I have seen was a Boba holo figure.
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: TheBlackDog65 on December 24, 2005, 02:26 AM
This hit Utah today/tonight at Walmarts. At one Walmart they were missing the Chewies then the other had them. Bought the ones I wanted. Now bring on the next two waves! Will say that the $5.88 price point WILL definetly make me very selective on the Saga line.
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: Darth Slothus on December 24, 2005, 03:44 AM
I think I will just try to get at least one of each holo(no matter what figure it's packed with) I figure a line this huge and as often as I'm openng cases it won't take long.

My notable holos with tonites' purchases(got all 6 fresh out of case) were

Maul, Dooku, Boba    Solo, Yoda, Kenobi
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: Darth_Anton on December 24, 2005, 12:04 PM
Well, I was on the fence about buying Chewie and Boba for an opener set, but after taking a close look, I picked them up anyway. Still left Barada behind though, a new paint job is a tough sell. I still haven't opened my OTC Bespin Luke.
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: Diddly on December 27, 2005, 11:17 PM
I found a lone Bib at Target tonight, so looks like they're arriving there now.
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: Darth_Anton on December 28, 2005, 11:17 AM
Overall, upon opening, I have to say that this is a nicely sculpted wave and the figures are great improvements. However, and I hate to say it because I hate articulation complaints, but I think Han and Bib could have been much improved with some better articulation. Maybe we'll get VOTC versions down the line.

I still haven't opened my Chewie or Boba. For those who have all the previous versions, is the any reason? If not I'll just return them.
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: Scott on December 28, 2005, 11:47 AM
I passed on Boba, VOTC Boba kicks this one's arse

Bib's pink face bugs me.  I see what they were trying but they might have been better off with some sort of translucent paint

Han's Carbonite block bugs me, it looks way way way too small

Boussh looks great!

Chewie was left on the pegs

Barada came home, the paint washes were enough

I'm glad to see the OTC paint improvements continuing,  The Gam Guard, Tusken, Bespin Luke and Jawa are great improvements over the POTF2 versions.  If they are going to pull crap like this, at least its a step in the right direction

My one main gripe as it has always been is that they could have painted the Barada shirt yellow and called him Kithaba or maybe given him a soft goods poncho...

(http://www.starwars.jp/character/image/kithaba.jpg)
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: SilverZ on December 28, 2005, 02:51 PM
The Boba is probably worth getting if you're a loose completist, since he is slightly more than a kitbash. Though his upper body is still the Saga/OTC Fett with the action feature, the button has finally been retooled into an appropriate rocket, and the action feature has been kept intact. The switch to the VOTC legs actually makes little difference or improvement to the figure. He's an oddity that I'm actually happy to have. But he's no VOTC Fett, that's for sure.

I was pleasantly surprised with Barada because of the paint differences, too. They're a big improvement. Like you say, Scott, if they must continue the practice of rehashing old figures, then hopefully they'll maintain the level of paint improvement that they've done here.

Chewie flat out sucks, though. That preposed right arm, positioned in that "Uh, I have a thought if I might be so bold as to interupt the current conversation" pose just ruins the figure's versatility beyond the one-pose mechanic use he was originally designed as. It's too bad they couldn't kit bash together a "new" Chewie out of VOTC and other parts for here like Fett.

I'm torn on Han - I'm glad to have an improved Carbonite Han, like the painted dust on his shirt, and overall there's nothing wrong with the figure. He just isn't very useful. He doesn't have enough articulation to do anything other than stand at attention, and he doesn't really have any accessories to allow him to interact with other figures or in dioramas. He's just blah. And yeah, the carbonite block looks a little too narrow.

Boushh is a major improvement over the 1997 version. I'm pretty happy with her aside from the standard grip about the big shoulders. I got an opener with poorly painted hair, which kinda sucks.

Bib is a big improvement in sculpt, too, but he'll just stand in a corner unnoticed like the last version did. He looks better but he's still just a statue.

Overall, I'm fairly pleased with what we got here, in that OTC kind of way. There're some clear winners, a couple dogs, and a few that just don't have enough special "oomph" to them to really shine.

Also, I could care less about the holograms. If they had designed them, where applicable, to be posed like they were in hologram form in the movies, I'd at least be pleased to have the extra accessory. But instead I have a hologram of Sideous weilding a lightsaber, which is useless to me. As they are, they just feel gimmicky. 
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: Scott on December 28, 2005, 03:49 PM
Agreed on the Holos those things suck ass

One thing I do really dig...the new figure stands!
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: Scott on December 28, 2005, 06:24 PM
After fondling Han way too much, I really hate the Carbonite Block.  Its about a Head too short and much too narrow.  Not sure why they screwed that up so bad.  The rest of the stuff is really nice though (prior complaints still hold)
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: Darby on December 28, 2005, 07:51 PM
I found Bib and Barada tonight, and my first thoughts are, the cards look excellent.  The pink on Bib is downright silly, although I see what they were trying to do.  Barada is a good repaint, but pointless considering the variation they should have made.  I almost bought Bib because he had the Holo Vader, but I left him there.
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: Darth_Anton on December 29, 2005, 10:42 AM

I'm glad to see the OTC paint improvements continuing,  The Gam Guard, Tusken, Bespin Luke and Jawa are great improvements over the POTF2 versions.  If they are going to pull crap like this, at least its a step in the right direction


Funny, I totally agree, and I bought each of those figures, but I still haven't opened them, which is why I didn't pick up Barada.
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: Mikey D on December 30, 2005, 01:26 PM
Found my first Saga figure during lunch - a lone Bib Fortuna.  He wasn't on a peg, just sitting on something below the Marvel Legends.  I looked and couldn't even find a peg for where he should go.  The action figure aisle was a complete disaster.  Hopefully WM cleans it up and starts their clearance sales soon.
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: Jim on December 30, 2005, 06:45 PM
Let me be the first to say that the Bib fig was a HUGE letdown for me.  Its pretty much a statue.  It looks nice but there is no poseability :( 
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: Clone Commander on December 31, 2005, 06:09 PM
Well he doesnt really jump around in the movie at all.
I meen I guess hasbro messed him up, then again thats why we can customize!  :D
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: Daigo-Bah on January 1, 2006, 02:13 PM
Agreed- I just don't think the senators or other robed folk should have articulation that is either 1)useless due to the robes over them or 2)detracts from the look because of some other robe option like slits up the sides or whatever.
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: Nirvana on January 1, 2006, 02:31 PM
I found Wave 1 at KMart, but only bought Boussh and Han. Big disappointment on Han, but I love Boussh Leia. My only complaints are the holo figs and Leia's shortness. Is she really a head or two shorter than everyone else?
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: CHEWIE on January 1, 2006, 05:16 PM
I like the Bib Fortuna - best figure so far that's out in the SAGA line.  Leia is a close second.  But the Bib is just one hell of a sculpt, and has articulation where you need it.

 :P
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: Jesse James on January 1, 2006, 05:33 PM
I think the Bib is nice too CHEWIE.  I've heard some complaints, but as a Senator-ish figure I'm cool with him from pics I've seen.  Leia's better IMO, and Han's the waves let-down considering how he was real involved in action in that costume but got the shaft on articulation.

I love Fortuna's belt feature to hide his dagger too, that's just a nice little extra.  Not sure on the paint/headsculpt till I get it though and that's where I hear more complaints than anything else.  Articulation, short of some elaborate cloth work, wasn't ever something I thought we'd get with him and for a figure like that, it doesn't bother me much...  A Jedi though?  They just need to either have Agen Kolar's robes or some good cloth ones (Evo Anakin's are perfect).  No two ways about it IMO.
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: Ithorian Clergy on January 1, 2006, 11:17 PM
Let me be the first to say that the Bib fig was a HUGE letdown for me.  Its pretty much a statue.  It looks nice but there is no poseability :( 

I agree and I think that maybe there is a little too much "material" (twileki fat) under his chin?  Meh, it's okay but I was expecting a little better.
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: Jesse James on January 1, 2006, 11:49 PM
I'm hearing weird stuff about the arms (I haven't looked at him too closely).  Are the shoulders not poseable?  If that's the case, man that really sucks ball to be perfectly blunt.  I'm cool witht he legs being a uni-pod, what witht he robes and all, but the arms are about the only part of the figure Hasbro had almost an obligation to focus on.  I mean, look at Mas Ameda for criminy sake. :)  That figure has better arm articulation than most classic trilogy army builder figures and still had leg articulation.  That's pretty impressive for a dull chunk of plastic.  I'd think old Lobster Bib could have had arms that good... 

The neck fat is what I'd heard most gripes about.  I thought the face was off...  Passable to me, but not spot-on likeness like we'd all enjoy I'm sure.  If the arms are not poseable though, this may as well have just been a PVC figure you could get for $.99 then.

Still love that knife in the belt though.
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: Diddly on January 2, 2006, 12:08 AM
The shoulders are articulated, it's just hard to move them... you have to move the forearm in order to move it, and getting the shoulders in the right position takes some time.
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: CHEWIE on January 2, 2006, 01:19 AM
The arms are articulated at the elbows and wrists - there is some shoulder articulation too, but the robe covers most of it.  I've got three of this figure so far and customized two of them.  A great overall figure for a Jabba's Palace diorama and sweet custom fodder in my opinion.

Still a great figure - anyone who disagrees, that's your right - feel free to stick to that 1996 sculpt.

 :P
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: Ithorian Clergy on January 2, 2006, 08:24 AM
The arms are articulated at the elbows and wrists - there is some shoulder articulation too, but the robe covers most of it. 

There is bicep articulation on my figure as well, right where the arm meets the robe, it rotates 360 degrees.  This is in addition to the shoulder, elbow, and wrist.
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: Jayson on January 3, 2006, 08:35 AM
Does anyone's Carbonite Han Block stand up with out assistance?

I would have liked a flat bottom on it so I don't have to prop it up with something or lean it against the back of the display case in order to display him.   >:(
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: Brian on January 3, 2006, 10:32 AM
Aside from happening across a Leia, Bib, and Barada on Christmas Eve, there hasn't been any sign of these in town since then.  I am happy I found what I did, but was really hoping to get the Han (and Chewie) as well.  I guess it isn't so bad with the ROTS line over and done with now, only have 2 figures to look for.  I could use to slow down the spending the way it is.  I haven't opened anything yet, but Leia and Bib both look pretty nice to me too...the Leia in Boussh figure is one I've been hoping we'd see re-done for awhile now.
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: Darth_Anton on January 3, 2006, 10:38 AM
Does anyone's Carbonite Han Block stand up with out assistance?

I would have liked a flat bottom on it so I don't have to prop it up with something or lean it against the back of the display case in order to display him.   >:(

Mine has been able to stand on it's own, but a weak breath is all it takes to knock it over. :P
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: Bobafett77 on January 3, 2006, 11:42 AM
Does anyone's Carbonite Han Block stand up with out assistance?

I would have liked a flat bottom on it so I don't have to prop it up with something or lean it against the back of the display case in order to display him. >:(

I can't get mine to stand on it's own to save my life! They should have made it so it could attach to the stand in some way.
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: speedermike on January 5, 2006, 08:02 PM
The sculpts on these new figures are excellent.  While I don't usually moan about articulation, Han's legs seem so out of date.  It really is a shame that they don't bend.  He would have been a top notch  figure if they had.  I'm fine with Bib's limited articulation, he never really did mutch but caress (ewww)  R2.
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: Jesse James on January 6, 2006, 03:54 AM
I got my first Saga figure tonight.  Good old Lobster Bib Fortuna...

Sculpt, fantastic...  Paintjob's pretty great too, I don't see much complaint there that I've been reading...

I do now see what people meant about the articulation though, and to say it's overly critical is not something I agree with.  To me, Hasbro could have definitely done this figure's arm articulation justice by making the shoulders swivel.  I think, had I designed him, the first fold on the back of each arm would have been slit, as would have the first fold on the front, and the plastic would have been a more flexible PVC.  This would have allowed a shoulder joint under the robe, and for the arms to pose forward and back.  This would have made the figure more passable...  As he stands though, you're basically getting one solid piece of plastic that is sculpted nicely but lacks as a toy which it ultimately is at the end of the day.

I'm not a fan of the gaping jaw sorta "duh" look on his face too...  It's not horrible though and I think pictures make it look worse than it is.  The belt knife bit is great...  Fantastic little detail.

And yeah his neck nads are weird...  Not sure they were so pronounced but whatever.

Great paintjob IMO, even on the head/face.  I see lots of layers, lots of fading/color changes.  That's a lot of work really.

I have to say I'm not really upset, but I do think Hasbro's capable of more creative thinking to make a figure poseable that's limited by such robes.  It's all about expecting more though for your $.
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: Darby on January 6, 2006, 04:32 AM
I can't just bring myself to buy him yet.  Apparently other people can't either, since he's sitting, but then that's at Target, where they're all sitting.  The paint job on all the ones I've seen have been very off, too, though I can see what they were trying to do in the layering.
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: Jesse James on January 7, 2006, 03:01 AM
By my own rules he's not a pegwarmer yet, but man he's on his way it seems. :)  He's about the only Saga figure to be found, and he's definitely around.  Saw 3 last night at WM, now there's 3 at KM...  Other stuff's gone, but captain neck nads is there.
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: Clone On Fire on January 7, 2006, 08:49 AM
By my own rules he's not a pegwarmer yet, but man he's on his way it seems. :)  He's about the only Saga figure to be found, and he's definitely around.  Saw 3 last night at WM, now there's 3 at KM...  Other stuff's gone, but captain neck nads is there.

I would have thought before these 6 figures were released that Chewbacca would sit (let's face it, he's too short and not the best sculpt, plus he's a repack) and Barada would sit.  And I thought that Fett would sell well just because he always does.  Han, Bib, and Leia are new sculpts so I thought they'd sell well.

I too see a nice brick of Bib forming.  He was the first one I bought, and I didn't buy any other figures in the wave until 2 weeks later, and that was Leia and Han.

Predicting pegwarmers is a tough business.
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: Alpha_17 on January 7, 2006, 09:46 PM
I thought this wave would be showing up in my area by now...

I was never able to get my hands on a VOTC Fett, so I'm really looking forward to the Boba in this wave. I'll probably pick up the Leia and Bib, too....Maybe the Han. I'm still a little undecided on him.
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: Clone Hunter on January 7, 2006, 11:52 PM
I have a couple of fett sitting here with different holos.

BTW, the carbonite from han is terrible. I dunno what they were thinking making it those dimensions.
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: Scott on January 7, 2006, 11:59 PM
I have a couple of fett sitting here with different holos.

BTW, the carbonite from han is terrible. I dunno what they were thinking making it those dimensions.
Agreed, that Carbonite block is all messed up.  I do like the transparency effect with the red but the size is laughable.  Especially when you hold Han next to the block and see he's like a head taller than the Han in the block ::)
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: Morgbug on January 8, 2006, 01:02 AM
I have a couple of fett sitting here with different holos.

BTW, the carbonite from han is terrible. I dunno what they were thinking making it those dimensions.
Agreed, that Carbonite block is all messed up.  I do like the transparency effect with the red but the size is laughable.  Especially when you hold Han next to the block and see he's like a head taller than the Han in the block ::)

Maybe it's a new freezing process that has a shrinking component to it? ::)

I like the Han and I like the block.  So long as you keep them a foot apart it works.  Just a grand **** up on Hasbro's part.  Who approved it to be like that?  They should, literally, be shot.

Bib is the only pegwarmer up here btw.  Everyone else sells. 
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: Ithorian Clergy on January 8, 2006, 11:03 PM
I noticed the size difference between the carbonite block and the figure too.  What terrible attention to detail that was.  And some of the short Chewbacca, Vader and Boss Nass figures are no better.  But I expect a little more now than I did late 90s.  There is no excuse for messups like that, especially with the increased prices on our figures now.
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: CHEWIE on January 9, 2006, 12:58 AM
Today I saw the Fett for the first time and picked up two of them.  Is seems to have a bit more articulation than the previous rehash of this figure - are the knees retooled any?  Anyways, I did pick up two of them, just haven't opened them yet.  I noticed a packaging variation on them - one of them had a different shaped bubble inside it, with a hole in the plastic for his antenna to slide through.

 :P
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: Reid on January 9, 2006, 07:22 AM
Today I saw the Fett for the first time and picked up two of them.  Is seems to have a bit more articulation than the previous rehash of this figure - are the knees retooled any?   :P

The legs are VOTC legs.
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: CHEWIE on January 10, 2006, 04:11 PM
Yeah, I opened one of them.  Much better than I thought - the legs are so much better.

 :P
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: Ook on January 13, 2006, 01:00 PM
Got Han and Leia yesterday. Love the Boushh fig even though Leia's lookin' pretty butch; almost a return to the monkey days, even!? :( Nice mutton chops LOL! She looks awesome standing with VOTC Chewie in tow though. 8) I wouldn't mind getting a hold of the chain that comes with TSC Chewie (I can get chain from a craft or hardware store), but for now, she's got him on Slave Leia's plastic one.

Han looks good, but it's a boring fig overall. Guess you can't pass up the unique carb block though.

Been in love with Bib since I got him last year. Noticed one of his tentacles was coming out of the head though. :( I sure wish they'd have sculpted the tails and head as one piece. Swapped him at Target for a better one. I notice a lot of them have really sloppy decos. Too bad. He's a near perfect Bib to me.
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: Daigo-Bah on January 13, 2006, 10:31 PM
The new sculpts in this wave are certainly terrific; but I did find Boushh to be a bit too small.  I thought it was the helmet size that bothered me, but it is actually the fact that she has no neck.  I pulled her head off the peg, then re-attached it about halfway down, and it looks a lot better.  I do think her legs could have been about a 1/4 inch longer though.

As far as Han is concerned, it is a bit of a boring figure, but he looks great on the skiff next to Jedi Luke and Skiff Lando (one of the best sculpts of all time- Skiff Lando- IMO).  If only we'd gotten an all-new skiff guard instead of Barada, and the VOTC Chewie instead of mechanic Chewie, and I'd call this a perfect wave.
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: P-Siddy on January 14, 2006, 02:58 PM
If only we'd gotten an all-new skiff guard instead of Barada ...

I agree. I wish we'd have gotten some new Weequay. Hasbro could have done a variant on them as well for the two on the skiff.
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: Darth Broem on January 16, 2006, 07:07 PM
I did not notice until I looked at the Barada pics here on the front page today.  Is that a new sculpt for his head?  I was going to totally pass this one up but I may actually pick him up now for that reason.  It looks decent in those photos. 
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: Jesse James on January 17, 2006, 09:25 PM
So I've got 3 from this wave so far, Barada is the only repack, and so far I'm not overly impressed I'm afraid...

Barada's ok, and I'm gonna BS him as some other guard, but a vintage Barada repaint would have gone over MUCH better if you ask me.  Just trying to outdo the last Barada is meh.

Bib Fortuna I see the gripes about at least some shoulder articulation.  Cool in about every other aspect but his face perhaps, but yeah the shoulder joints sucked.

Han is what I thought he'd be.  He's a great figure in every way but he really REALLY needed some ball/socket knee joints.  Without them, he's a much weaker action figure.  He's a main character involved in one of the most action-packed sequences of the Classic Trilogy, and he has 10 points of articulation with no ball/socket joints to speak of.  That's weak no matter how you slice it and Hasbro can do better as we saw with the Cantina wave from 04/05.  I'm not totally disappointed, but I'm far from giddy to mess with this figure too.  He'll go in the palace and just sit there, while VOTC Han still gets some awesome posing from me...  Yes, "posing".  :)  That's what I call it to make myself feel less douchey.
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: Scott on January 17, 2006, 11:13 PM
I did not notice until I looked at the Barada pics here on the front page today.  Is that a new sculpt for his head?  I was going to totally pass this one up but I may actually pick him up now for that reason.  It looks decent in those photos. 
I'm pretty sure its the same head with just a lot better paint ops
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: Diddly on January 17, 2006, 11:26 PM
I found Han, Leia and Barada this weekend, completing what I wanted from this wave.

Count me in the minority, but I actually like Barada. For a POTF2 repaint, he's pretty good, IMO. He won't do much other than guard Jabba, but that's his job. If prices were cheaper, I'd pick up a few more.

I agree with Jesse's thoughts on han. really, all he needs is some knee articulation and he'd be set. However, he looks GREAT next to VOTC Chewie, Saga Skiff Lando and Saga Jedi Luke.

Boushh is a great figure overall, though I think she may be a tad bit too short. She mixes in well with the other OTC figures, which makes her even better. My one gripe is the long ponytail. I haven't watched ROTJ in a while, isn't her hair wrapped in a bun, like the POTF2/SOTE Boushh? Ah well.
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: Alpha_17 on January 18, 2006, 12:54 AM
So far I've been able to find Boussh, Bib fortuna, and Barada. Now I just need Han, chewie, and Boba Fett.
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: spiderpumpkin on January 18, 2006, 08:13 AM
I picked up Leia, Solo and Barada last week.  I passed on Fett, Fortuna and Chewy.  After opening the three I bought I have to say this wave is not my favorite. 
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: Darth Broem on January 18, 2006, 09:11 AM
No, it's not the best wave for sure.  I really am not that blown away by any of them to be honest.  Do not get me wrong.  I like most of them but with the $7 pricepoint now and knowing other things are coming soon.   And Sideshow keeps tugging on my mind  to get their 12 inchers.  I just don't know.  I will most likely go with Leia, Han, and Bib.  It will gnaw on me not to get those 3. 
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: LandotheScoundrel on January 18, 2006, 09:16 AM
I'm going to go out on a limb and say that Boussh and Bib Fortuna far surpass their POTF2 versions. So much so, that I can say that if I didn't have them, I would step over a pile of dead jawas to get them.
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: ruiner on January 19, 2006, 04:42 PM
Am I the only one having problems finding Chewie? 

As crazy as it may sound, I've yet to find him, Reiken, R2, or Vader.

I guess it does pay to keep the main characters in distribution.

 ;D
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: Darby on January 19, 2006, 09:00 PM
I've only seen Chewie once, which surprises me and doesn't.  Him, Fett, Vader, and R2 disappear fast.  The main characters thing is certainly true, at least around here.
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: Morgbug on January 19, 2006, 09:42 PM
He's only one per case as well, so not all that common. 
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: Jesse James on January 20, 2006, 05:35 AM
Not seen Fett, Not seen Chewie...  Got Leia/Boussh tonight...  Yikes.

She's so "right" on some levels, and yet at the same time she's really all wrong on a number of levels.  As much as the articulation bugged me on the Han, I'm liking it better.  Leia is just...  meh.
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: Xander on January 20, 2006, 08:19 AM
I've had no trouble finding any of these, though I only bought 3 of them. That's just my personal experience, because I live near an intown Target that's relatively (for now) scalper safe, and when they put out this case, they sat there literally 4-5 days before a one was sold. (I had bought my 3 at a Wal-Mart).   Judging from all the area reports, this wave showed up at and was restocked at virtually every store. Its not usual to get all figures from a wave that easily.

I wonder how much of these are going to ship. It seems like they are selling pretty well in other parts of the country.
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: Brian on January 20, 2006, 10:21 AM
Quote
I've only seen Chewie once, which surprises me and doesn't.  Him, Fett, Vader, and R2 disappear fast.  The main characters thing is certainly true, at least around here.

The same has been true here.  I only saw Chewie once as well (and only one of him), which I picked up.  When I lucked out and found the Hoth wave, I saw all of them but Vader and R2.  I haven't decided if I want the Vader or not, but will probably pick up R2 for all the accessories and that.  I think the main character thing does hold true overall, at least around here.
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: Jim on January 20, 2006, 10:25 AM
I think this assortment will warm the pegs.  It seems since this was the first new assortment that many stores in my area over ordered and this stuff has been sitting for a while now. 
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: Jesse James on January 20, 2006, 12:00 PM
They're already backing up around here.  They're just now starting to though, but Carkoon is slowly gaining pegwarmer status, especially Bib Fortuna.

Of course, the case shipping right now seems to have all the repacks as 1 to a case too, so it's not surprising that they aren't sitting.  And Fett just sells because he's Fett and he always seems to sell.  He's all I need to get for the kids and I just can't find him.

I haven't seen R2, Vader, Chewbacca or Fett yet.  Barada seems to sit a little bit, but since the new ones are packed heavier they're much more cmomon.  I just saw Leia for the first time last night though...  Han I saw for the first time earlier this week.  Bib I've seen for I guess 2 or 3 weeks now, and in multiples.  That figure just doesn't interest people overall, so I'm glad we got him and he's out of the way (or in the way on the pegs now, but "out of the way" on the resculpt list). 

I think a lot of the 1 per cases moving is people trying to take an opportunity to make some $.  Call me a scalper conspiracy theorist, but I think people "into that" know there's 1 pers and they're gobbling them up either in hopes of trading them for stuff they need (fine), or outright selling them to make a buck...  The OTC was the same way, but as soon as any of the repacks was shipped in any kind of quantity, it sat.  I remember Bespin Luke's galore at some WM's around here but they were scarce for a while.  Once that island display arrived though, they sat and pegwarmed like they did in the Saga line.

Same with everything else from Snowtrooper to Imp Trooper to Madine/Lando/Han AT-St...  The repacks just puttered out like everything else if they shipped heavily.  :-\
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: Morgbug on January 21, 2006, 02:04 AM
I was at a store with 8 Bib tonight.  If I'm figuring the cases right that's four cases without one selling and I know I bought one so the Boba is moving like crazy, Chewie is gone immediately (only seen twice now), Han moves ok as does Leia and Barada is hit and miss - not too hard to find. 

Gotta get that Hoth wave moving in Canada, yet to be found here.
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: speedermike on January 21, 2006, 07:39 PM
I wish Hasbro could figure out a way to keep a "Hero" case in circulation.  It would have all the main characters in their most iconic outfits.  This case would ship throughout the year and not really change.  Then, there would be themed wave case that had some, but not many, main charcters in different outfits.  This way the "Hero" case would always appeal to the kids/parents, and the themed waves would sell to the collectors.

The way it is now, if a store wants 8 Chewbaccas on the pegs, they're stuck with 16 Bib Fortunas.
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: CHEWIE on January 21, 2006, 10:31 PM
Speedermike, maybe some sort of Hall of Fame SAGA2 wave would be a good idea?  Might be nice to see a prequel wave and then an OTC wave in that mindset.

 :P
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: Clone Hunter on January 21, 2006, 11:56 PM
I was at a store with 8 Bib tonight.  If I'm figuring the cases right that's four cases without one selling and I know I bought one so the Boba is moving like crazy, Chewie is gone immediately (only seen twice now), Han moves ok as does Leia and Barada is hit and miss - not too hard to find. 

Gotta get that Hoth wave moving in Canada, yet to be found here.

Damn, still need a cheap Bib. They have vanished around here.
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: Xander on January 30, 2006, 12:44 PM
Heh, eBay auctions make me laugh.  This one had the bold title all. Look at all the dramatic references to its rareness:
VARIANT STAFF #1 HAN SOLO STAR WAR SAGA 2006 HOLO 2 002 - $2.25 (http://cgi.ebay.com/VARIANT-STAFF-1-HAN-SOLO-STAR-WAR-SAGA-2006-HOLO-2-002_W0QQitemZ6031530233QQcategoryZ2476QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)   ;D
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: Darth_Anton on February 20, 2006, 12:50 PM
Okay, for a second time, I picked up a Chewie to open, but wound up returning it. I just can't justify gettting that figure for the chain. First of all, it's not the best Chewie sculpt, they could have at least used Mynock Hunk Chewie, second, I can make a better chain at from a craft store, so that's what I'm going to do.
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: Ook on February 20, 2006, 08:37 PM
Okay, for a second time, I picked up a Chewie to open, but wound up returning it. I just can't justify gettting that figure for the chain. First of all, it's not the best Chewie sculpt, they could have at least used Mynock Hunk Chewie, second, I can make a better chain at from a craft store, so that's what I'm going to do.

I have Leia holding VOTC Chewie with the plastic Slave Leia chain. It's attached around his neck with one of the tiny clear rubber bands.
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: mr director on February 22, 2006, 03:52 PM
Instead of having R2 in the Hoth wave maybe they should of put R2 into the Carkoon wave with a pop-up lightsaber. 
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: Gatillo on February 22, 2006, 04:08 PM
As long as it is not that crappy pop-up lightsaber R2 from the flashback series I would buy it.
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: Clone Hunter on April 14, 2006, 10:07 PM
Anybody ever try  & sucessfully remove the yellow mess from Hans chest and leg?
Title: Re: Battle of Carkoon Wave
Post by: Jesse James on April 16, 2006, 01:48 AM
If they redo R2: Pop-Up Saber, I'd really like them to just make it a plain R2-D2 with a slot on his head you can fit a hilt into...  Nothing flashy or gimmicky, just R2 for that single moment.

If they want a bladed saber, include a removable blade or something, but Hasbro needs to appreciate the K.I.S.S. motto on this one I think.  A simple, new dome for Bar2-D2 would suffice IMO.