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Title: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: Darth Broem on July 15, 2005, 09:47 PM
They teased us by saying the Hoth wave will have a few figures not done in this scale before.  Come on man just tell us what they are!!!  I am hoping for a brown jacket Hoth soldier and maybe Derlin.
Title: Re: VOTC and OTC Returns in 2006!
Post by: CHEWIE on July 15, 2005, 11:44 PM
Maybe I'm in the minority here, but I like the SAGA/OTC Snowtrooper and would be ok with a rehash of it...  8)

New Hoth figures I'd like to see...

- Snowspeeder Pilot Luke
- Snowspeeder Pilot Wedge
- Snowspeeder Pilot Dak
- Snowspeeder Pilot Zev Senesca

Most likely, we might get the Luke from the above list...

I could also go for...

Toryn Farr -

(http://www.swduelist.com/cards/esb/swtcgesb-61.jpg)

Bren Derlin -

(http://www.swduelist.com/cards/esb/swtcgesb-43.jpg)

Hell, let's see this little vehicle too -

(http://www.swduelist.com/cards/esb/swtcgesb-122.jpg)

 :P
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: Nathan on July 16, 2005, 01:24 AM
--Major Bren Derlin (new)

--AT-AT Driver (new)

--repacked POTJ K-3PO (white protocol droid)

--new Rebel soldier with a couple variant heads, a la Saga Endor commando

--generic Star Destroyer officers with variant heads

--new Admiral Piett, General Veers, Captain Needa, Captain Lennox, etc. etc. etc.

--Rebel troop cart. Those were in the Massassi hangar too, weren't they?

--a running paint variation snowtrooper, depicting Bacarra's troops on Mygeeto. They look to be very similar to snowtroopers, just with added burgundy coloration. Yeah so it's not ESB, but I can dream. ;D

--heck, how about rereleasing the AT-AT as long as we're at it?
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: Darth_Anton on July 16, 2005, 02:31 AM
They teased us by saying the Hoth wave will have a few figures not done in this scale before. 

Good news. :D New figures, not re-scuplts! Derlin would be an awsome chocie, fill in the remaining Vintage gap. Clone pilots would rock as well. Also, with some figures never done before, who's to say others can't be resculps?

Come on SA Snowtrooper and a propper Veers!
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: ThePerennial on July 16, 2005, 02:54 AM
Looking at the pic of derlin always reminds me of "Cheers".


 "The hidden rebel base: Where everybody knows your naaaame! I'nd they're always glad you caaaame!"

 I think maybe we need a commander Ted Danson, too. :P
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: Nathan on July 16, 2005, 03:02 AM
In fact, the Derlin card in the old Decipher CCG mentioned that at the Mos Eisley Cantina, everybody knows his name. ;D
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: speedermike on July 16, 2005, 07:51 AM
I think we're going to finally get a good Snowspeeder Luke with good articulation, and a removable helmet.
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: DoctorPadawan on July 16, 2005, 09:38 AM
Well, it obviously seems that Derlin is the number one choice (and rightfully so) for the Hoth wave.  If he is in fact made, I wonder if he'll come with snow cones?  He makes them himself, you know.  ;)

(Sorry, everyone else was making the obvious joke so I went with one a little more obscure)

As for what I would like to see, I think a resculpted Hoth Leia would be great, although it probably won't happen since there is already a Leia in the Carkoon wave.  A new 2-1B wouldn't be so bad, and have a running change so he can be Vader's Medical Droid from ROTS while they're at it.  A resculpted Admiral Piett is sorely needed, since the POTF2 one sucks when compared with the more recent Imperial commanders.  And needless to say, a SA Hoth Rebel Soldier would be very welcome.

As for the repacks (of which you know there will be at least three, since that seems to be the trend here), I suspect that the Saga Hoth Luke, OTC Hoth Vader, and General Riekkan will be making return appearances. 
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: Vator on July 16, 2005, 09:57 AM
A resculpted Admiral Piett is sorely needed, since the POTF2 one sucks when compared with the more recent Imperial commanders. 

 >:( Bah, he's better than that angular cut arms dealy.


I'm excited about this wave though...it hopefully we'll get Imperials along with Rebels.
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: evenflow on July 16, 2005, 12:17 PM
I am thinking it will be:

Derlin
SA Snow Trooper
Rebel Snow Trooper with variants
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: Jesse James on July 16, 2005, 12:58 PM
Wow, lotsa speculation...

I gotta disagree in that I would NOT be happy with a re-release of the Saga Snowtrooper.  That figure wasn't much of an evolutionary step forwards over his POTF2 counterpart.  The sculpt was slightly more crisp, and he did have a holster, but his articulation they added was pretty much useless, and he had a wonky pose.  He's a rough looking army builder, most noticeable when there's 2 of him together.  They just don't look right...  Not to mention he does sport the officer's bars too, which are small details but still one more thing making him less than ideal army builder fodder.

I'm of the opinion that anything in Imperial/Clone armor should be done a-new with the super articulation treatment.  Snowtroopers and Scout Troopers are on top of that list for me though, as a classic film fan (plus repaints of prequal Clones are easily doable for both sculpts), but also because I think that both those "characters" have gotten the shaft.

The POTJ Scout simply blows...  His goofy pose, his lacking articulation, his pinhead...  He blows.  And the Snowtrooper's POTF2 incarnation is at least neutrally sculpted, but he and the Saga figure are both sub-par.

I'm not expecting it, but my ideal Hoth wave (if they're only in 3's) would be:

-Major Derlin (Toryn Farr a close runner-up though)

-Super Articulated Hoth Rebel...  Like the Snowtrooper, the Rebel figures have all sucked terribly.  The only one close to ok has been the Deluxe one and he's weak these days.  Gimme an all-new figure here, tons of articulation, proper scale, softgoods scarf...  I'd dig it.

-Super Articulated Snowtrooper...  Softgoods mask and skirt.  I'd be broke if this guy came out.  I'd have to live off raimen noodle soup just to afford my army. :)

Others I'd like...  Veers w/removable armor, hat, helmet, and belt.  Torryn Farr (like mentioned).  NEW Hoth Han Solo (good articulation and pose, removable hood/hat).  Brown Vested Rebel Officer (Vintage resculpt).  Snowspeeder Luke.  Snowspeeder Wedge.  Snowspeeder Dak.  Snowspeeder Hobbie.  Snowspeeder Zev.  (Hell, do one figure, then just do a pack of the Snowspeeder pilots called the Rogue Squadron Battle Pack :) )

Figures I know I DON'T want though?

Hoth Vader, Hoth Chewie, Probot, an astromech (with the EE packs, I'm ok on these for a while), or a repackage of any of the figures I listed that I do want.
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: dafoo on July 16, 2005, 03:22 PM
they NEED To stop putting all the main characters into these packs.

too many vader's
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: speedermike on July 16, 2005, 05:30 PM
Yeah. An SA Hoth Rebel would be a good idea for them because it could be painted at least two (three?) differnt ways.  My money is still on Luke.  And he'll come with the grappling gun.
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: Nicklab on July 16, 2005, 09:47 PM
Battle Of Hoth, hmmm?  I'll go with 4 figures since that tended to be the average wave size during SAGA Gold.

-Luke Skywalker - Snowspeeder Pilot w/ removable helmet, lightsaber, blaster/holster, grappling line & mine
-AT-AT Driver resculpt (along the lines of the SAGA TIE Pilot)
-R5-M2 - Echo Base astromech
-Hoth Rebel Officer - Gotta fill that hole in the vintage line!
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: Diddly on July 16, 2005, 10:07 PM
^^ I like that idea, especially the AT-AT Pilot. He needs a newer sculpt with "updated" articulation. However, I'd replace the Astromech with either an SA Snowtrooper or SA Hoth Soldier. Both are overdue for awesome SA versions.
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: Nathan on July 17, 2005, 06:24 PM
From Rebelscum (http://www.rebelscum.com/article.asp?i=93813):

Battle of Hoth from Episode V will include 8 figures

as an added bonus, each Saga2 figure will inlcude a bonus holographic mini figure.
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: Jeff on July 17, 2005, 06:56 PM
Crap...

8 Figures in a wave means that in a box of 12, at least FOUR figures are going to be 1-per-case.   ::)

Either that, or we're looking splitting up the 8 in two cases (which is stupid - why have "waves" if they don't ship together), OR we're going to get all of them at 1-per-case with older figures mixed in.

Anyway you look at it, it already sounds hard to track them down, and that's not even factoring in a reuced shelf space that may come with next year being a non-movie year.    >:(

Lame.
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: Diddly on July 17, 2005, 07:56 PM
Jeff, you're forgetting about the possibility of a drought. Stores still have a bunch of cases of ROTS pegwarmers in the back, and I'm sure that they won't order any new cases until these cases are sold (or shipped back, but that takes forever for Hasbro to finally buy back figures).

I'm hoping that we don't have a drought, and if we do, it better not be as bad as 2003, I missed just about all 03 figures at retail. I'm hoping for new shipping/case strategies from Hasbro, but knowing them we'll get all 8 figs packed 1 per case with a bunch of older figures/repacks.
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: CHEWIE on July 17, 2005, 08:26 PM
If the "one to a case" are repacks, I think we'll be ok.

 :P
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: Nathan on July 18, 2005, 12:19 AM
Some more suggestions/predictions (none of which I'd be opposed to):

some sort of Tauntaun
2-1B (POTF2 repack is probably adequate since the character is pretty static anyway)
POTJ FX-7
POTJ Han Bespin Capture
POTJ Deluxe Bacta Tank Luke
POTJ Wal-Mart exclusive TIE Bomber (not so likely ;D)
Saga Hoth Rescue Han Solo in parka
Saga Hoth Attack Luke Skywalker
Saga Ultra General Rieekan with computer panel
Saga Ultra Wampa
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: Diddly on July 18, 2005, 12:48 AM
What I want to see/My predictions:

BATTLE OF HOTH (8 figures):

-Luke Skywalker; Snowspeeder pilot suit. Removeable helmet and articulation similar to Gold Leader. Includes blaster, lightsaber, and ascension cable.
-Hoth Rebel Soldier; SA, maybe with two head variants. Includes blaster and heavy rifle.
-AT-AT Driver; Similar articulation and sculpt to Saga/OTC TIE Pilot. Includes blaster.
-Snowtrooper; New SA sculpt, with blaster.
-Leia in Hoth costume; resculpt, decent articulation. Includes blaster and tools.
-Bespin Han; POTJ Rerelease.
-Major Bren Derlin; decent articulation with blaster.
-General Veers; new sculpt with much articulation and removeable helmet, and possibly armor. Includes blaster.
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: Greedo The Green Menace on July 18, 2005, 02:04 AM
My Wishlist...

New Sculpts

Major Bren Derlin
General Veers (W/ removeable armor, helmet and hat)
SA Snowtrooper
Toryyn Farr w/ Computer console

Repacks
Luke Skywalker (Saga)
Bespin Han (POTJ)
Chewbacca (Early Bird)
Admiral Piett (kitbash Ozzel, new head)
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: Brian on July 18, 2005, 09:33 AM
Lots of choices with this wave as well.  There are many new characters/new sculpts I'd like to see personally, but being realistic, probably half of the wave will be new, the other half old.  I'm hoping if we do see a 1 per case scenario like Jeff mentioned, the repacks are the 1 per case ones.  That would make sense, but we'll see.  Anyways, here's some I wouldn't mind seeing:

SA Snowtrooper - I wasn't happy with the Saga one in particular either.  Nice enough sculpt, but the figure overall could be much better.
SA Hoth Rebel Soldier - This figure really needs to be redone I think, the Saga one was craptastic.
Major Derlin - Very nice choice for a "new" figure that we haven't seen before, and I think we'd all be happy seeing it in the line.
New Snowspeeder Pilot Luke Skywalker - A figure I'd really like to see, they could do a nice job with this if they did an all new sculpt.
SA New Sculpt Han Solo Hoth - Probably not likely, and maybe not all that wanted by the majority of people.  The Saga one isn't awful to me, but could be much better.  Maybe not the top choice right now, but I wouldn't mind seeing this figure re-made eventually.
2-1B - Repack is fine, although I wouldn't mind a new one either.  I never got the POTF2 version, and have been waiting for a resculpt/repack of this one.
Hoth Luke Skywalker - Repack from Saga.  Pretty good figure overall, maybe a bit underarticulated, but otherwise a nice figure I think.
AT-AT Driver - Repack or new sculpt.  Haven't seen one in the line for quite some time, another figure that I don't personally have.  I don't know what the opinions are of the POTF2 version, but if its good, a repack is fine.

There's just a lot of options for this wave, much like the Endor one.  Veers, Torryn Farr, and many others could be good choices as well.
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: Scott on July 18, 2005, 11:52 AM
Just thinking about the comment of never before done in this scale:

Here are a list of all Hoth Based figures that received votes in the Defender Wishlist Lists last year in order of where they finished.

I'd say either Zev or Torryn would be an obvious choice for that statement.  Perhaps the idea of making one generic Rebel Pilot and crafting 3-5 helmets for Zev, Dack, Hobbie, Wes and Wedge would be the way to go

General Veers
Major Bren Derlin
Zev Senesca
Captain Needa

Torryn Farr
Dack Ralter
Hobbie
Snowtrooper (resculpt)
Hoth Soldier (Echo)
Luke Snowspeeder
Probe Droid
Imperial Naval Trooper
Admiral Piett
Wes Janson
Wedge
Han Hoth
R5-M2
Princess Leia (Hoth)
AT-AT Driver
Echo Power Droid
Imperial Officer
McQuarrie
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: Darth_Anton on July 18, 2005, 07:22 PM
Can you imagine if we got another carded Wedge out of this series and it was the same POTF2 mold? :P
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: Jesse James on July 19, 2005, 01:59 AM
Unfortunately, yes I can imagine that.  COmplete with half-assed white overspray simulating "snow".   ::)

I will say this, if Hoth Luke's re-released, it'd be really nice if they touched up his holster a bit to make it a working piece that fits a blaster in it, and they painted Luke to not be all dinged up by the Wampa.

I know I'd catch flak on this, but I actually wouldn't mind seeing HOth Luke resculpted...  Better articulation, and interchangeable "damaged" and clean heads would be sweet.  But a figure who could ride a taun-taun, but look good off of it too, would be nice.  Personally though, I'd take a new Han, new Leia, and lots of other Hoth figures too.
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: MetalJedi on July 19, 2005, 08:16 PM
General Veers with removable armor/helmet
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: Brian on July 20, 2005, 09:07 AM
Quote
I know I'd catch flak on this, but I actually wouldn't mind seeing HOth Luke resculpted...  Better articulation, and interchangeable "damaged" and clean heads would be sweet.  But a figure who could ride a taun-taun, but look good off of it too, would be nice.  Personally though, I'd take a new Han, new Leia, and lots of other Hoth figures too.

I was rearranging some figures yesterday and was taking a look at some of them closer again.  I really like that Hoth Luke figure from Saga 2004, but I can see your point Jesse.  I think the sculpt is really top notch for the most part, but some added articulation (elbows and knees) would be ok.  I can also see the "non battle damaged" face/head as an option.  I doubt we'll see it, and there's plenty of other Hoth figures I'd like to see made (or resculpted), but as much as I like that Hoth Luke figure....some improvements could be made.
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: Nicklab on July 22, 2005, 12:04 AM
Battle Of Hoth, hmmm?  I'll go with 4 figures since that tended to be the average wave size during SAGA Gold.

-Luke Skywalker - Snowspeeder Pilot w/ removable helmet, lightsaber, blaster/holster, grappling line & mine
-AT-AT Driver resculpt (along the lines of the SAGA TIE Pilot)
-R5-M2 - Echo Base astromech
-Hoth Rebel Officer - Gotta fill that hole in the vintage line!

If it's 8, then here are my choices:

-Luke Skywalker - Snowspeeder Pilot w/ removable helmet, lightsaber, blaster/holster, grappling line & mine
-AT-AT Driver resculpt (along the lines of the SAGA TIE Pilot)
-R5-M2 - Echo Base astromech
-Hoth Rebel Officer - Gotta fill that hole in the vintage line!
-Hoth Rebel Soldier - SA
-Captain Needa
-Major Derlin
-Imperial Naval Trooper
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: Darby on July 23, 2005, 06:17 AM
There's so much here... it's like picking your favorite kid.

New Stuff:
SA Snowspeeder Luke w/ the works - variant Wedge head
SA Snowtrooper or Hasbro will hear about it.
Major Bren Derlin or Torryn Farr, I'm happy with either
SA General Veers Evolutions style w/ the works

Repacks/Rehashes:
General Rieekan
Han Hoth or Bespin Capture, one of them for sure
2-1B
Some Hoth droid repaint not in EE's sets

Dream Come True:
SA AT-AT Driver resculpt
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: Darth Slothus on August 10, 2005, 05:49 PM
The extra holograph fig. for this wave has to be the vader with his hands on his fists listening to general Veers' report from the ATAT
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: Paul on August 21, 2005, 11:06 PM
I am afraid to get my hopes up too much for this wave of all the upcoming OT waves.  With the Hoth Rebel from last year, I don't trust hasbro to do anything Hoth and Rebel related correctly (or at least to my liking)

But I guess I'll go ahead and put my "wish" list out there...

Super Articulated and PROPERLY SCALED Rebel Soldier, Rebel Officer or Echo Base Trooper (ala the vintage guy)

Super Articulated Snow Trooper (grunt version this time, instead of officer)

Luke in Snowspeeder gear with flight Touque and Helmet again SUPER Articulated (slash elbow articulation is not "super")

General Veers with removable Helmet/Armor "extra articulated" (the POTF2 one is an abomination)

Han in Hoth Gear (We deserve an apology from Hasbro for the Action Feature one from Saga, And if they will Super Aticulate it with removable hood/show hat, I won't even join the blue/brown debates.

Super Articulated AT AT driver....

Hobbie, Dak, Wedge, Jansen...any of the Snowspeeder pilots with the correct gear.  Or even one body with 4 different head and helmet sclupts or 4 variations...


Basically they could do Hoth Waves every wave for years and my "wish" list would never be completed.

Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: TheBlackDog65 on August 22, 2005, 02:09 AM
General Veers helmet off,

I agree with a SA Luke;

What I really fear is that this will be just a reupdate of the Saga stuff. We'll see the SnowTrooper, the Luke, General Reiken as a single figure this time, the Red Droid (I'm tired and cannot think of his name) tha peg warmed forever. I would also like to see a new T1B the Medical Droid. Boy I quit, I'm too tired to post right now.
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: Paul on August 25, 2005, 09:01 PM
I finally got the ROTS ATRT Driver...if they did General Veers Snap on Armor like this figures, I think the figure would look good, both with and without it.

I just wonder if they could pull off the removable hat and helmet.  Or perhaps switchable heads...one with officers hat, and one with no hat, but removable helmet......am I asking too much?
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: Jesse James on August 25, 2005, 11:52 PM
The Bespin Guard's hat is removable and looks just great...  If XD and BBI can do removable knit tossel caps, then Hasbro can do a removable Imperial Kepi some justice. :)

I'll settle for nothing short of removable armor and hat/helmet.  The ultimate Imperial Officer fodder for the field, the office, or just having the **** choked out of him for goofing up a report.
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: Paul on August 29, 2005, 09:49 PM
surely by now Hasbro could make the hat a bit "thinner" almost like the Evolutions helmets, so as to avoid the bulk on the sides that the Bespin Hat had...don't get me wrong, it is a good hat.  I just hope for more.
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: MetalJedi on September 17, 2005, 06:12 AM
Hobbie, Dak, Wedge, Jansen...any of the Snowspeeder pilots with the correct gear.  Or even one body with 4 different head and helmet sclupts or 4 variations...

I second that as well.
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: Reid on October 5, 2005, 06:57 PM
My List:

Repacks:
SAGA General Rieeken (No Rebel Screen)
POTJ FX-7

New/Repaints:
SA Hoth Rebel Officer w/ blaster and baton
SA General Veers w/ E-11, removable helmet, kepi, and armor, and Vader holo
SA Snowtrooper w/ E-11 and E-Web
Holo Imperial Officer based on Ozzel sculpt w/ E-11
SA AT-AT Driver w/ E-11 and AT-AT "Control Yolk"
SA Luke Snowspeeder w/ lightsaber, blaster, and thermal detonater

Vehicles/Playsets:
POTF2 AT-AT
POTF2 Hoth Battle Playset
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: Darth Broem on October 5, 2005, 10:29 PM
Hmmm...I could almost see them making a General Rieekan carded.  I would probably go for that. 
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: Darby on October 5, 2005, 11:36 PM
I hope they do, because I passed on him last time.  I just couldn't see paying $10 for him.
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: LandotheScoundrel on October 7, 2005, 10:31 AM
I'd like to see a new Admiral Piett.

I'm thinking that hoping for a new SA snowtrooper at this point is like hoping the sky will rain money. They'll repack that lame half-stepping SAGA snow captain from 2003.

I could see Riekkan being repacked, along with K-3PO, FX-7 (even though I could army build with this guy at my TRU), the red protocol unit, and maybe even the astromech from the Hoth set from a couple years ago.

I could see a new Hoth Leia. Other than that, I have no idea what Hasbro plans to do with this. They just did lots of Hoth figures less than 2 years ago, so I'm worrying that this will be a wave of all repacks. I doubt they're planning on giving us a Torryn Farr or Major Derlin, though I hope I'm wrong.

Anyways, here's my wishlist, for what its worth...

* New SA Hoth Leia
* New SA Hoth Han
* New Admiral Piett
* New General Veers (with all the fixin's)
* New SA Snowtrooper
* New SA Rebel Hoth Trooper (normal height!)

And NO HOTH CHEWBACCA!!!
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: Paul on October 8, 2005, 11:05 PM
After seeing pics from the Carkoon wave, I am excited and scared at the same time for this wave.  This in my ALL TIME FAVORITE topic in the Trilogy for a Wave.  I always loved HOTH stuff (probably from never seeing Snow in real life back then).  I would love to see everything on Lando's LIST.

I can only cringe to think of what the re-packs will be.  And after the Hoth Rebel HOBBIT from a couple years ago, I am really worried what the new stuff would look like.

If we take Carkoon as a model, we will get:

2 New Sculpt Major Characters (1 almost Super Artic, 1 basic, almost 1995 articulation)
1 New Sculpt Minor Character, pseudo Articulated
1 New Paint Old Mold Major Character
1 Old Paint Old Mold Mid Range Character
1 Old Sculpt Old Paint Minor Character

I think I read that Hoth was an 8 figure wave, so I assume we get 2 re-packed Army Builders as a "bone-us".  Saga Snowtrooper and Hoth Rebel Hobbit will melt pegs like only a Neimoidian Warrior could hope to.

Keep in mind, I'd love to be wrong, and according to my wife, I am ALWAYS wrong, so we'll have to see.

Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: Darby on October 9, 2005, 01:32 AM
Yeah, using the Carkoon wave as a model, expectations start to go down... but Hasbro did say one or more of the figs had never been done in this scale, or something like that.  So I figure one of them will be Toyrn Farr, or Derlin, or someone like that.  I figure if they skip the SA Snowtrooper, and repack the Saga one, it's a signal of lame things to come.  But there are so many figs in this theme that need resculpts (Luke, leia, Han, Veers, AT AT Driver, Luke Snowspeeder, Wedge, etc....) so where do you start?

Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: DoctorPadawan on October 9, 2005, 10:48 AM
I'm going to rip off Paul's methodology here for what I'm hoping/dreading Hasbro will do with this wave.

*2 New Sculpt Major Characters (1 almost Super Artic, 1 basic, almost 1995 articulation)

1.  Luke Skywalker in Snowspeeder Pilot Gear (SA)
2.  Princess Leia in Hoth Gear (basic articulation)

*1 New Sculpt Minor Character, pseudo Articulated

3.  Major Derlin

*1 New Paint Old Mold Major Character

4.  C-3P0 (ROTS version with silver leg)

*1 Old Paint Old Mold Mid Range Character

5.  General Riekkan (Saga Ultra version with no display)

*1 Old Sculpt Old Paint Minor Character

6.  AT-AT Driver (POTF2 Freeze Frame)

*2 re-packed Army Builders as a "bone-us".

7.  Snowtrooper (Saga 2003/OTC)

8.  Hoth Rebel Soldier (POTF2 1997)

I really hope I'm wrong...but something tells me that is closer to what we'll get than what we really want and will buy.
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: Jesse James on October 18, 2005, 03:43 AM
And just like that, Entertainment Earth has pictures of Saga Wave 2 (Hoth Wave) up for your viewing pleasure...

(http://www.jedidefender.com/news/images/10-05/Saga06Wave2Large.jpg)

Yes...  Oh yes...  Veers with removable armor, and I'm assuming a hat somewhere.  Oh...  Freaking...  Yes.  :) 

Major Derlin's been one I've wanted for a while too, and he looks pretty sharp.  I love the Gonk Droid tremendously, and was hoping they'd someday put another out on the pegs for us.  I still buy the Commtech one if I see it really cheap just to have for background scenes.  The AT-AT Driver is a figure that I personally never wanted to see redone, as I was perfectly happy with the POTF2 (kind of like the TIE Pilot), and honestly I don't think the new one looks better tremendously other than it's obviously a much more articulated version.  He appears to be reusing parts perhaps?  Or maybe it's my eyes.

On the repack front...

R2 is appearing to be either the VOTC sculpt or the Preview R4's sculpt being utilized?  I'm a bit perplexed that they would re-release such a background character as Riekean, who was also a bit of a pegwarmer...  He's not my favorite figure they've done but he suited his purpose as an old guy that stands there, mostly.

The Vader, is that VOTC sculpt or ROTS?  And I'm disappointed to see the Saga Snowtrooper again which is a pre-posed, under-articulated figure that I've never liked much.  An easy pass for me on most of the repacks, but if that's VOTC Vader I think it's nice to see it out there again...  The R2 has me curious about it too. 

The new figures look fantastic though, but I notice that again the articulation's limited.  No leg articulation besides basic thigh joints.  The Veers I could understand somewhat given all his gear but on Derlin it's a little annoying since he's kinda sparce looking.  The AT-AT Driver's looking like he got the articulation budget for this wave. ;)
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: JediMAC on October 18, 2005, 03:56 AM
(http://images.entertainmentearth.com//AUTOIMAGES/HS85770Blg.jpg)

Yeah, Derlin and Veers are certainly the highlight of this wave, so kudos to Hasbro for knocking those two highly demanded figures off finally.

What the hell did they have to put Vader and R2 into the HOTH wave for though?  That's completely lame (and yes, I understand Hasbro's reasoning - supposedly for the kids and new collectors).  Though I dig the Gonk Droid, I find his inclusion here strange as well.  Can someone find him in the Hoth scene and stick a screen cap in here for us?

But where, oh where, is a resculpted (non-midget) Hoth Rebel Trooper for God's sake?!  That's a serious oversight to not include one here, when the prior one(s) were so terrible.  How do kids (or collectors) have a battle of Hoth with only Derlin and Rieekan?  ::)

Overall, I'd say this wave rather stinks.  But the inclusion of Veers and Derlin is certainly a step in the right direction, and gives me some hope for some all-new figures in future TSC waves...
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: Ryan on October 18, 2005, 04:07 AM
Looking good!

Veers- From what I can tell, Veers takes the cake. He looks excellent. I can't wait to add a few of him to my collection.

Derlin- I had a customized a version of im awhile back. I'll definitely be replacing that POS with this version. I am disappointed the articulation isn't better though.

The Gonk was a total supprise. I wouldn't have expected one of these, and it certainly wasn't on my list of Hothfigures, but it looks very well done, even for a repaint with a little hat thing. I'll be picking up a couple.

AT-AT Driver- I really like this new version, the old one was ok and wasn't in dire need of a resculpt, I'd have rather seen a SA Snowspeeder Luke, but oh well. This figure looks great, I'll be picking up a small army.



Repacks- That does appear to be the VOTC Vader which is very cool, maybe Hasbro is at least learning to repack the best sculpt of a particular character. I'm interested what R2 body they used, I might pick him up if it is one the ROTS SP body. As for Reeikan, whatever, I have him, I may nab a few for customizing purposes but I don't need more than that. The Snowtrooper sucks as bad now as it did in 2003, I really wish they would have redone this one instead of the AT-AT driver. Oh well, I guess I'll be buying quite a few less army builders.

Jesse, your pic isn't working BTW.
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: Jesse James on October 18, 2005, 04:18 AM
Fixed it, but Matt's got one on the new page anyway. :)

Matt,

The Gonk is on Hoth...  I can't post a cap, but trust me man.  Complete with the top "fueling nozels" thingies.  He's tromping around the hangar floor, but you gotta look close.

To me...  The wave's a mixed bag of collecting emotion...  The characters have me slap-happy to get, as Derlin's been somewhere in the middle on my lists for a figure, and Veers has been at the top.

Like I said though in my first post, the articulation's a let-down.  First, while I think the AT-AT Driver looks nice I'm disappointed that HE is who they decide to go ape**** on with articulation.  He's cool but I was pretty happy with the POTF2 and this figure doesn't look terribly different to me.  It wasn't a figure I wanted resculpted really and so he sorta feels like a "waste" to me in that he got so much attention but yet the 2 figures I was really wanting got short-changed a bit.

I'm ok with the angle-cut elbow joints which is what Derlin definitely has and Veers appears to have.  That's fine, but the lack of knee articulation on both disappoints me.  Ball/socket knees ala the Cantina wave of figures (and tons of ROTS figures) would've been appreciated on Veers since he's basically a generic officer too really...  On Derlin I would've dug the knees because he's an army builder in my book.  I'd dig a head variant (no mustache) on this one actually.

I'm assuming Veers' armor is removable.  It looks it in the picture, but I'm just assuming it is.

The Gonk's really cool to me, and appreciated...

Riekean is the mystery in the set...  He wasn't a $10 to begin with, but without his board he isn't much of a $5 figure either.  Hasbro could pack him with something other than a blaster to make him "worth it" but he's still a boring figure overall.  Vader and R2 I can understand, and just as easily pass on.  If I see VOTC figs hit basic cards though I'm definitely gonna have my hopes (expectations) high for the VOTC Stormtrooper to see its much-deserved re-release to a basic card.

Retire that ******* Cantina Han and Commtech Stormtrooper already and finally put out the GOOD versions of those two figures with the VOTC sculpts. 

Honestly, on the Vader you could make the gripe that the Evolutions figure is vastly superior.  It really is, but just to see something of the VOTC Vader on a regular card gives me simple hope to see VOTC Stormtroopers in droves at some point.
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: JediMAC on October 18, 2005, 04:41 AM
Matt,

The Gonk is on Hoth...  I can't post a cap, but trust me man.  Complete with the top "fueling nozels" thingies.  He's tromping around the hangar floor, but you gotta look close.

Sorry, I didn't mean to make it sound like I doubted it was there, Jess.  I figured it probably was, somewhere in the hangar or halls of Echo Base.  I just think it's strange to include that over a new, and much more needed, Hoth Rebel Soldier.

I dig the Gonk, don't get me wrong.  Any droid is cool with me, especially when it's slightly revised like this one is.  I'll pick up a few, for sure.  While we're at it, where the heck's the R2 & 3PO with the light snow dusting treatment like Vader got last year?!  :P
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: Jesse James on October 18, 2005, 05:11 AM
VOTC R2 with Snow would make some sense given his sensorscope too...  3PO, well I'd have taken the ROTS sculpt with some snow "dusting".  I'm in for those.

But anyway I agree that a Rebel Soldier's more needed but knowing Hasbro, if you asked them that question they'd say "We just did one".

And then they'd ignore you while you explained to them what an utter piece of **** that figure was...  Or they'd say, "Well we just put one out and it sold bad so we're not gonna do that again"....  because god forbid they see that a poor quality toy doesn't sell.   ::)

For my money, the Snowtrooper and Hoth Rebel Footsoldier are both the most needed resculpts of the Hoth figures if you ask me...  They're in my top 10 figure want list overall even.  The Snowtrooper's in dire need of super articulation, or a figure AT LEAST the quality of the Clone Commander #33.  The Hoth Rebel could sport super articulation and even a hidden ball/socket torso joint due to the outfit.  No good army builders exist for Hoth though and I agree that it sucks not to see them in the mix...  I wasn't expecting them at this point though with the Saga sculpts being probably "too new" for Hasbro to put out others so soon.  I'm hoping at some point in the not-too-distant-future they do revisit both figures with SA, and some head variants for the Rebel would be ideal.

I'll be army building (slightly) on Derlin though and Veers I'll likely pick quite a few up if he has his kepi too...  To me that's the best "generic" Officer they've ever done.
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: CHEWIE on October 18, 2005, 08:25 AM
Oh baby!  What a great surprise to wake up and see this on the front page this morning!  Woo Hoo!!!

Riekken - I think this repack is a mistake... better be one per case.

R2D2 - I don't have any problems with this popular character being repacked.

Snowtrooper - Fine with me, I like this sculpt - give me about 3-4 more of these probably.

Vader - Again, I don't mind Vader being repacked.  Vader usually sells well and this is a great sculpt of him.

Gonk - That looks outstanding.  I love it... such a surprise too!  I would like to get 3-4 of him... wonder if he comes with an extra accessory or anything?

Derlin - I love it!  I just wish he had knee articulation... but to me he's an army-builder, and a well sculpted one at that. 

Veers - Another beautiful figure... looks like he has a removable chest plate, and I'm sure the helmet comes off too... how about a little holo Vader to come with him too?

AT-AT Driver - The best of the wave I think... wow!  That's one hell of a sculpt, and I'm thinking he has knee articulation probably... woo hoo!

 :P
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: DoctorPadawan on October 18, 2005, 09:22 AM
Just a quick comment/observation (which is probably wrong): are we sure that's the VOTC Vader or is it the 500th Vader with a solid head?  The leg stance looks pretty different from the VOTC Vader to me, but I don't have either of them in front of me so I could be wrong.   ???

Quick comments on the other figures:

-Veers: looks great, although I'm wondering if he's using Ozzel's arms

-Derlin: Cliff Clavin in action figure form.  I'm happy. :)

-AT-AT Driver: looks cool, but the torso looks a little long to me.  Maybe it's just the angle/photo.  Also, is that the strap harness thing from the Gold Leader figure?

-R2-D2: meh.  Pass.

-Snowtrooper:  already got one.  Pass.

-Riekkan:  already got one and it wasn't so hot to begin with.  Pass.

-Vader:  looks like a rehash so pass.

-Gonk Droid:  I can confirm what Jesse is saying about him being in the hangar on Hoth (just because I found myself saying, "What the hell is on Gonk's head?"), and as long as this one can stand on its own, I'll pick it up.

So it looks like a "straight down the middle" wave again: 4 definites and 4 easy passes.  Hasbro: Saving Openers Money in 2006. :)
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: Brian on October 18, 2005, 09:30 AM
This was definitely a nice surprise this morning, a peek at some more new figures.  I actually like this wave overall, although there are a few figures I'm disappointed we're not seeing.  To me, there is just so much from Hoth that could be made and I would like to see.  Anyways, of the now confirmed figures:

Rieekan - Got the overpriced Ultra one, and it might be a strange choice for a repack.  At least he'll only be $4-5 this time around, but this one reeks of pegwarming.  Pass for me, but good for others who missed/skipped him last time.

R2-D2 - We all have plenty of R2s, but if it is indeed the VOTC version, that is encouraging as Jesse mentioned.  If this (and Vader) are VOTC repacks, I really hope Hasbro follows this trend and re-releases figures like VOTC Han, Stormie, and Chewie instead of their POTF2/Commtech versions.  I'll probably pass unless it has some sort of different deco when released.

Snowtrooper - I'm really disappointed we didn't get an all-new, SA sculpt for this one...but not surprised that we didn't I guess.  I might pick up a couple more though, I've been wanting some more (just have 1 right now), but was holding off for a new sculpt.  I wasn't really thrilled with this version of the figure, still holding out for a new version down the road.

Vader - Same as R2, it is interesting to me if it is the VOTC version.  If that is the case, I might pick up an extra at $5.  Also, I hope this is the start of a trend of releasing the "best version" of repacks, instead of Commtechs, Saga Fetts, and the other usual suspects.  If they have to repack a Vader, this looks like a good choice.

Gonk - Really surprised by this figure, but it is kind of neat.  I'll pick it up, and now pay closer attention in ESB where it shows up ;).

Derlin - I'm really excited about this figure, and aside from some lacking leg articulation, it looks fantastic.  Can't wait to get it.

Veers - Great figure here too, and one that I've wanted to get for awhile now.  I just about picked up that Hoth battle set to get the older one, but I'm glad I waited.  This looks to be a nice figure, and I thought it looked like removable armor as well like Jesse mentioned.

AT-AT Driver - I'm also quite psyched for this figure.  I never got the POTF2 version, and decided to wait and see if we got a new one in this wave...luckily, we did.  It looks to be a real nice figure, maybe SA even.  I'll get a few, and I'm really glad we're getting an all new one.  Now bring on the new SA versions of the Snowtroopers and Hoth Rebel Soldiers!
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: Jeff on October 18, 2005, 10:18 AM
Wow, what a great wave.

I am totally amazed that they didn't throw last year's Hoth Luke or Hoth Trooper in here as one of the repacks.  I guess Vader and R2 are in there only to get some main characters in there.   :P
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: Dressel Rebel on October 18, 2005, 10:28 AM
I'm happy about Veers and Derlin.  Nice job there.

But why, why, why, did Hasbro throw that piece of crap '95 Veers figure into that overpriced "exclusive" Hoth 5-pack if this is coming?  What, did they just want to purge the last vestiges of the crappy Veers from their warehouse and make us pay an "exclusive" price for it?  Seems really stupid to me.  A bunch of suits were sitting around a table placing bets on how many of this figure they could sneak into our collections between the amount of AT ATs we bought and the TRU 5-pack.

Also, it seems to me that Hasbro is showing us here what they can do with figures like Veers and Derlin, but then they regress and throw the same snowtrooper into this wave, which really needs a lot of work. 

Overall, the wave doesn't get a failing grade, but it gets a D.  No Hoth Rebel trooper.  (And someone should have been fired over that SAGA release that had rickets).  They give us Veers after making us pay an exclusive price for the old crappy one.  They show us 2 sweet figures, then include an old snowtrooper.  I would have rather them put the work into the snowtrooper than the AT AT driver.  Riekken "deluxe" figures are still hanging around at some TRUs at full price, I hardly see the need for this basic carded one.

EDIT, bah, upgraded to C-. 

But I'm still sick to death of seeing R2 and Vader.  Enough already.

Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: Jim on October 18, 2005, 11:02 AM
I wonder if the Rieekan will come with the Tactical Map for a pack-in?  If so, everyone got hosed on that DLX price.

I dont mind him being released so much since there are a ton of pack-ins I would like to see carded individually.  This gives me hope that Amanaman may still end up on a basic card.  Though overproduced I think it would look sharp on one of those black cardbacks.  But i'm in the minority so it dont matter much. 
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: Dressel Rebel on October 18, 2005, 11:37 AM
I wonder if the Rieekan will come with the Tactical Map for a pack-in?  If so, everyone got hosed on that DLX price.



I think we got hosed regardless.  Amanaman, 300th Fett are also in there.  And don't get me started on Target exclusive 3 3/4" figs.
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: John C on October 18, 2005, 11:57 AM
These 2006 waves are not impressing me so far.  I'll buy me the Clavin figure, Veers and possibly the AT AT Driver, but that's all I need from this wave.  Hasbro is screwing up by going the cheap route and regressing on the articulation.  Why spoil us this year and go backwards next year?  Cheapness will cost them sales.   
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: ruiner on October 18, 2005, 12:21 PM
Some winners here and of course, some losers.  It's nice (from a collector POV) that they didn't repack Han and Luke.

From a kid's perspective, it might've made sense - really, no one is going to buy Reiken so I'd rather see a Luke or Han in Hoth gear warming the pegs vs. a boring character that both collectors or kids don't want.

I love the new AT-AT driver as well as the Derlin figure.  I could've lived without Veers and I'm disappointed that we are not getting an 'ultimate' version of the snowtrooper.

Maybe a new Leia Hoth would've fit the bill better than R2 or the Gonk droid?

Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: Ben on October 18, 2005, 01:15 PM
Again, a wave I'm only interested in 50% of. I'm definetely buying Veers, Derlin, Gonk, and the AT-AT Driver, but the rest I just don't care about. I might get a few more Snowtroopers for army building's sake.
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: LandotheScoundrel on October 18, 2005, 01:57 PM
Its mostly nostalgia, but I'm freakin really happy to be getting a new AT-AT driver. It looks great to me. Certainly, the articulation would have been well spent on Derlin or Veers, but it looks to me like the AT-AT driver is a slight tweaking—if not just a repaint—of the TIE pilot, plus some straps. So if Hasbro didn't add articulation to Veers and Derlin, it wasn't because they were busy working on the AT-AT Driver.

Derlin is a real treat here, but Veers is the main course!!! I'm so happy to see this guy added to the lineup! And to think, I was just about the to work on the armor pieces for my custom Veers...well at least I'll have this guy in armor and in uniform.

Love the Gonk.

I'm hoping we'll see the snowtrooper and Rebel Hoth Soldier in some sort of Trooper evolution sets. Please??
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: Nathan on October 18, 2005, 03:04 PM
Not bad, not bad at all.

I'm not going head-over-heels like some of you guys are, since I'm still in Prequel mode, but I still like these and will pick them up if I have any money left after my Prequel wants are acquired.

Veers -- pretty sweet. Buy.

Derlin -- pretty sweet. Buy.

AT-AT driver -- pretty damn sweet :D. Buy!

R2 -- I dunno, depends on what version this turns out to be.

Snowtrooper -- not the best version ever made, and I already have at least one of these (maybe 2 by now? (http://cheesebuerger.de/images/smilie/konfus/a015.gif)) so I'll more than likely pass.

Rieekan -- I don't have the Ultra version, and I always liked the guy, so I'll pick him up as well.

Vader -- waiting to see what version it is.

Gonk droid -- yeah baby! Definitely buy!
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: Jesse James on October 18, 2005, 03:37 PM
I think a general concensus we could make is the repacks are definitely gonna hate online case sales from what I'm reading...  Which is to be expected I suppose.

I hope Hasbro's not leaning towards cutting the line back from where they had it with REvenge of the Sith...  So many figures in ROTS got articulation galore that weren't even as "important" (for lack of a better term) as these figures that got short-changed.

For instance, Mas Ameda's sporting ball/socket joints all over his arms and equal articulation at his legs to Veers and Derlin...  They could've had some knee joints, but for whatever reason they don't.  Very odd thinking at Hasbro sometimes.

Lando, I hope you're right about the Trooper Evolutions sets...  It's probably my biggest wish for the line, and that they're released in very high numbers. :)

So if we took those repacks out and replaced them, what is it you'd want then?  Or if you just tweaked them if you like them....

For me, I'd replace Riekean with Saga Luke with a "clean" paintjob, and if the Derlin figure's holster works I'd see if replacing Luke's with Derlin's was possible so he had a functioning holster.

I think even the POTF2 Hoth Leia would've made sense to repack over Riekean...

On R2, if he was dusted with white, and is the VOTC sculpt, I could see him as a figure I'd buy for the "scanning for life on Hoth" scene alone.  Not that I couldn't customize that myself as well, but I'd buy it to save the time/$.

A dusted white 3PO would definitely replace Vader then on my list...  Not that Vader's a bad figure, but given how many Vader's almost every store has around me, I think they'll still have them come time that the Saga Waves are showing up. :)  A snowy 3PO to stand with R2 then would be fine by me.

I'm surprised at the lack of love for the Gonk.  I'm really happy to see him actually...  He could stand to have some accessories though, I agree.  It'll be his most damaging feature.  The Imperial Astromech came with that holo-death star, and that was cool.  Hasbro sorta cheaps out on droids anymore though.
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: Reid on October 18, 2005, 04:45 PM
**** these look sweeeeeett. I'm definitly getting Veers, Gonk and the AT-AT Pilot.

Veers- Looks awesome, would be nice if it had removable armor

AT-AT Pilot- The winner of the bunch for me

Gonk- Cool rerelease of a hard to find figure

Derlin- I don't care much for him, but cool for other people

The rest look like straight repacks so I won't comment on those. All in all, this looks like one of the best waves in '06!

Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: Morgbug on October 18, 2005, 04:45 PM
The case assortment (subject to change) is listed there too:

2x General Veers (Saga #7)
2x Major Bren Derlin (Saga #8)
2x AT-AT Driver (Saga #9)
1x R2-D2 (Saga #10)
2x Snowtrooper (Saga #11)
1x General Rieekan (Saga #12)
1x Darth Vader (Saga #13)
1x Power Droid (Saga #14)

I don't think it's too bad.  R2 will move, snowtroopers will move (don't we always bitch about a lack of army builder or them being one per case?), Vader will move on principle and for carded suckers collectors anyway.

The problems, IMO, if they stick to that assortment are the Power Droid being singly packed (I'd buy two) and the Rieekan, which is still on our pegs here, even at clearance price.  I've been tempted to pick up a Rieekan or two for the screens alone and toss the figures, now that they're on sale.  

BTW, now that we're seeing some new Saga numbering, do we have a list anywhere? ;)
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: Reid on October 18, 2005, 04:50 PM
The case assortment (subject to change) is listed there too:

2x General Veers (Saga #7)
2x Major Bren Derlin (Saga #8)
2x AT-AT Driver (Saga #9)
1x R2-D2 (Saga #10)
2x Snowtrooper (Saga #11)
1x General Rieekan (Saga #12)
1x Darth Vader (Saga #13)
1x Power Droid (Saga #14)



This is the most beutiful case assortment i've ever seen. *Reid slowly sheds a tear*

And a complete list of Saga 2 basic is available here! (http://http://www.rebelscum.com/story/front/Hasbro’s_Plans_For_2006_95310.asp)

In Geonosis were gettin' a Republic Commando, whoo-whee!
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: Jeff on October 18, 2005, 04:58 PM

And a complete list of Saga 2 basic is available here! (http://www.rebelscum.com/story/front/Hasbro’s_Plans_For_2006_95310.asp)


Yeah, a similar rumor list was e-mailed to me this AM.  I have already out the basic figure lists into their respective threads.  Feel free to check out the other threads for the talk of the other waves!  ;)
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: Morgbug on October 18, 2005, 05:08 PM
Oh for the love of Pete ::)  I'm lazy, do some work dammit so I don't have to.

edit: :-X
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: Jeff on October 18, 2005, 05:09 PM
Oh for the love of Pete ::)  I'm lazy, do some work dammit so I don't have to.

I did...

http://www.jedidefender.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=9742.0
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: ruiner on October 18, 2005, 05:17 PM
So it looks like the price will be the same for Saga 2 - $5.99.

Or $6.66 if you shop online... ;)
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: Jayson on October 18, 2005, 05:19 PM
Or $6.99 if you shop at K-mart or $8.99 if you shop at Mall of America  >:(
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: Morgbug on October 18, 2005, 05:29 PM
Oh for the love of Pete ::)  I'm lazy, do some work dammit so I don't have to.

I did...

http://www.jedidefender.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=9742.0

Indeed, ergo...

edit: :-X

That's the trouble with just clicking the active topic from the front page, you miss everything else in that particular forum.  Regardless, thanks.
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: Diddly on October 18, 2005, 05:42 PM
Veers - Awesome! Looks like kitbashed 2004 Ozzel legs and arms though. The chest is kind of beefy looking too. Hopefully it's because the armor is removable!

Derlin - Another awesome! Definately picking him up.

AT-AT Driver - looks pretty good, though it also appears to be a kitbash. A well done kitbash though. getting it.

R2 - Meh, will probably pass, unless it's the ROTS SP sculpt.

Snowtrooper - WTF? Saga statue rerelease? PASS until they make an SA version.

Rieekan - Again, WTF? I already bought this guy with that cool Hoth table/screen thing. PASS

Vader - Have enough, and they're all SA to boot. PASS

Gonk - Huh? Weird choice, but I'll get it. I would have rather have a rereleased Hoth Luke or a new SA Hoth Han.
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: Darth_Anton on October 18, 2005, 07:11 PM
I'm diggin' it.  I pretty much agree with everyone's general assesment.

The repacks are pretty good choices. You know the Vader is going to move, and so will the Snowtrooper. Really, the only potential pegwarmer is Reaken. Good case. Should sell well.

So far, my wallet is giving a big sign of relief. only 14 figures between two waves, 7 are rehashes and only two are army builders, although I will only get one extra Snowtrooper since I'm not thrilled with the current sculpt.
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: Darby on October 18, 2005, 11:27 PM
No ******* SA Snowtrooper?!?!?!?  (Okay, calming down...) I guess I can't get everything I want.  They did come through with Veers and the AT AT Driver.  Gotta leave something for 2007, I guess.  Sigh.

Veers: Cool.  Looks like removable armor.  The helmet looks a little big on him.

Derlin: I'm glad they did him, and he looks good.

AT AT Driver: **** yes.  About time.

R2: Looks like the SP droid sculpt.  Maybe.

Vader: Sets a nice precedent with repacking the VOTC sculot, but since they've already passed up on Chewie, I don't care.

Snowtrooper: I'll be alright.  I just need to lie down some.

Rieeken: I for one am glad they did this, because I never got him.  I can understand why some are upset.  He's not the best choice, espeically since the clean Hoth Luke was a possibility.
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: Paul on October 18, 2005, 11:37 PM
Super Articulation or bust.......

I should not have gotten my hopes up when I saw we were getting a wave from Hoth....

If I wanted statues that had limited poseability I'd buy Gentle Giant Mini Busts...

Now that the rant is over.....

Veers looks good, except for the cross-cut elbows and no leg articulation.

Rebel Commander has an awesome look to his uniform...too bad he can't be posed in more than the "hands behind the back" or the Groomsman "crotch clutch"

AT AT Driver....I'm all for a small army of these guys.  They seem to be the only figures in this wave with more than 4 points of articulation.

GONK...rocks.  I guess for that particular figure he is SA...

Vader...I have an evolutions Vader..so pass

R2-D2...I have every other R2 so pass

Reikien...I like him but I have him

Snowtrooper officer....how many snowtrooper officer's do we need?  No SA Snowtrooper...NO PEACE!!!! everybody chant together...


Veers looks like the armor and helmet are removable...hopefully that means he comes with the Imp Officer Cap (kepi)....
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: Darby on October 19, 2005, 12:50 AM
I forgot about Gonk.  He's a good, odd choice.  Does the Snowtrooper look like he has different (old) legs to anyone else?  They seem straighter than I remember.
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: Jesse James on October 19, 2005, 02:40 AM
Trick of the camera I think, plus I believe I see the gap for the ankle joint but my screen and eyes aren't the best. :)

On a Gonk note, if he has the swinging legs, save those clear rubber bands that they use for holding weapons to figure's hands, as they make a great way to hold a Gonk's legs together.  I've yet to have one of those bands break on me too BTW.

I reiterate about articulation that I TRULY hope Hasbro isn't on the decline in this department.  If they are, to me they're looking at the line as a failing property at this stage and aren't wanting to invest too much in it...  Jason and I were just talking about this and it's a sad possible thought.

I'm hoping for some kind of SA figures down the line's life.  I have too many unfulfilled wants (mostly resculpts ironically) with the line for it to truly be on its last leg.  It'd go out with me not being too pleased with how they handled things.
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: Darby on October 19, 2005, 04:52 AM
It's true, most of my big wants are SA resculpts.  There's some obscure stuff I want (Dorme), but it's not as much as it is for some others I think.
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: TheBlackDog65 on October 19, 2005, 05:26 AM
I don't think the lack of articulation will kill this wave or this line. IF the sculpts are really good, I think you can still have a successful wave in terms of volume and sales. I look to the POTJ line as an example. Great sculps, good variety, not a ton of articulation, yet the POTJ line I believe was one of the more successful lines of the modern era, and a personal favorite. I do agree  that it signals that Hasbro is going to push to milk as much money out of the line with as little RnD as possible. This means we may have very good figures, but also figures that could have been so much more (like the Tactical Ops Trooper). Again, if the sculpts are very good though, that may compenstate for the lack of articulation. In addition, if the lack of articulation means a higher quality figure that doesn't break as has been discussed in another thread here, that may not be a bad deal either. I just wish that Hasbro would gets its act together and put out more figures like the Obi Wan Pilot that are both GREAT sculps with GREAT articulation that don't break! 
For this line, I'll buy the Gonk, the Veers, the AT AT Driver (at least 2), Rebel Commander, Reikien, and the Snowtrooper officer. That alone shows that wave will probably be successful because I'm skipping most of the first wave except for Leia and Bib, and consider myself to casual collector once again coming off the movie, buying only themes and figures I really like or want. This wave fits into a theme so I'll get more of it.
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: Nathan on October 19, 2005, 12:47 PM
I know I'm in the minority but articulation isn't my biggest concern. I'm an opener, but I don't play with them that much. Most of the time they just stand there looking groovy. Now with all else being equal, obviously more artic is better, but my higher-priority issues are:

--Variety of characters and minor characters
--Sculpt, likeness
--Paint, detailing
--Pose (happy medium between Vinty-style military attention and xtreme action pose)
--Etc.
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: Disco_Jedi on October 19, 2005, 02:57 PM
The Snowtrooper is not really a "repacked"  figure.  There are slight differences in the legs of the POTF2 and OTC versions.

(http://www.rebelscum.com/toys/potfsnowtrooperfront.jpg)(http://www.rebelscum.com/OTC/otc0425snowtrooperfront.jpg)
(http://www.jedidefender.com/news/images/10-05/Saga06Wave2Large.jpg)

Looks like it might be a kitbashed verison of both figures.
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: Greedo The Green Menace on October 19, 2005, 03:02 PM
I was planning on passing on this wave entierly since I'm mostly an alien collector, but actually seeing the pictures and selection has changed my mind completely. The most pleasant surprise has to be that Gonk Power Droid. I love the look of that thing. This is a great way to rerelease an exsisting figure and make it interesting and new. Derlin is looking good, the detail is great. I'm looking forward to seeing Veers armorless, and wether or not he has his regular hat. He's definatly looking good though. The AT-At driver is also quite cool looking and I'll definatly be picking one up.

I do have some concerns about the repacks though. I understand Hasbros reasoning for them but they really seem to be too plentiful to me. And the choices for some of these repacks just seems foolish, mostly in regards to Reikaan. Main characters i can understand but rereleasing less important and obscure characters just seems foolish, especially ones that warmed the pegs previously, and at least then you got the display screen with him.

Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: Jeff on October 19, 2005, 04:04 PM
The Snowtrooper is not really a "repacked"  figure.  There are slight differences in the legs of the POTF2 and OTC versions.

Looks like it might be a kitbashed verison of both figures.

Yeah, I'm not sure what is going on there...

When you look at the arms real close compared to the PotF2 version there are a few notables things that make it look like the PotF2 Arms and Legs on the Saga Torso version.   ???
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: Brian on October 19, 2005, 04:07 PM
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When you look at the arms real close compared to the PotF2 version there are a few notables things that make it look like the PotF2 Arms and Legs on the Saga Torso version.

Good call Jeff, that is what it looks like.  You can notice especially when looking at the gloves/boots in comparison the pictures posted above.  Those are definitely not the same as the Saga version, and look to be the POTF2 version.  I guess it is different at least that way, but I still want a SA Snowtrooper ;).
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: Disco_Jedi on October 19, 2005, 04:41 PM
Looking at the pix again, the arms are definately NOT the Saga ones.  The shoulder armor on the Saga Trooper has the little bumps closer to the shoulder/neck area whereas the POTF2 and the 2006 Saga have the little bumps more towards the upper arm area.  So it looks like Saga torso with POTF2 arms and legs.  Whick so far, looks the best of the 3.

Either way, it's kitbashed!!!!  Where's the freakin SA!!!   ;D
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: Darby on October 19, 2005, 06:02 PM
I knew there was something up with that Snowtrooper.  Still, it's not SA, so bah humbug.
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: Darth Broem on October 19, 2005, 07:22 PM
I am very happy about them finally getting around to making Cliff.  It looks like one helluva sculpt to!  Another obscure figure can be scratched off the list finally. 

Veers - It will be great if he comes with a hat to.  Definately nice to see him get a much needed update.

Gonk Droid - I never would have thought that one up.  It looks pretty cool with that thing on his head.  I will get that. 

AT-AT Driver - Not a must for me but I guess you can't have Veers out there without an AT-AT Driver by his side.  It looks ok to me I may or may not get him. 

Riekaan - The only reason I would be interested is for a carded figure of him. 

Snowtrooper - Very disappointed but not surprised by the lack of articulation.  For some reason Hasbro does not want to give this figure the SA treatment.  They love releasing him but that's it. 

R2-D2 - Might be cool if he has a sensorscope in the dome.  Otherwise I can't see myself buying another R2-D2. 

Vader - I got enough Vaders now, but I was not surprised to see it offered.  My nephew is getting into Star Wars now so hopefully he can nab that one or the current ROTS offering. 

Overally I think it's a decent wave. 
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: Jesse James on October 20, 2005, 01:05 AM
Yeah that Snowtrooper's definitely an oddball...  If the legs are a little to the "neutral" side (if they're POTF2 they should be) he'll be a slightly better army builder than the Saga's total sculpt, but not much...  Short of SA that figure's going to blow irregardless.

Riekean's still the "wtf" of the wave.  He's not the greatest figure anyway (lacking even a waist joint), and never was a HOT seller.  If he has the board he's sorta cooler at the $5 pricepoint, but that's gotta sting to a lot of people too...  Tough pill to swallow.

Veers just rocks, and I am so hoping for him to have his officer's cap.  :)
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: Darth Slothus on October 20, 2005, 11:16 AM
Vader- I would like this replaced with another figure but still another Vader-a Holographic one. I wonder at just how many holo bashers would bash it considering this is one holo I felt Hasbro should have done long ago. Not to mention this was THE appropriate wave to introduce it in( AND!!! Most important of all a Hasbro money saver)- oh well :(

Watch out for that power droid-one per case-yikes!!

Redundancy- Hasbro- where's our retooled/SA army builders?!

I guess it was a money saver for Hasbro- 8 figs- 4 new, 1 kitbash(cheap), 3 rehash(cheap)= this is what we can expect across the rest of the line. At least we get SOME new cool figs along the way :)
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: Nathan on October 20, 2005, 12:27 PM
I would love to see a Holo Vader as well. :)
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: Jesse James on October 20, 2005, 03:40 PM
My only gripe with a Holo Vader is that he's tiny when he is holographic in the movies.  I actually am looking forward to, hopefully, his mini-holo figure.  I have a holo mini of him a buddy made for me and it's been alongside my POTF2 Veers for a while. :)  Pretty cool little guy.

A full size holo Vader I'd take though, but if I only ever got a mini holo one with Veers I'd be completely happy.

Hmmm, that makes me wonder...  If there is a mini-holo Vader amidst the mini holo figures, and if they're mixed in randomly, will Veers with Mini Holo Vader be the ultimate variation on that figure that people want?  :) 
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: Darth Slothus on October 20, 2005, 04:28 PM
Hmmm, that makes me wonder...  If there is a mini-holo Vader amidst the mini holo figures, and if they're mixed in randomly, will Veers with Mini Holo Vader be the ultimate variation on that figure that people want?  :) 

Quit wondering.... ::), that's a duh!
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: Nathan on October 20, 2005, 07:20 PM
I still don't think even Hasbro is boneheaded enough to randomly mix the mini holos. That would just be ... ****** in the head. More than likely it'll be the same figure in mini form.

(http://cheesebuerger.de/images/smilie/traurig/a045.gif)
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: Darby on October 20, 2005, 07:58 PM
No, what will happen is mini Holo Vader will only come with that Vader repack, and we'll all be suckered into buying it.
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: Nathan on October 20, 2005, 08:05 PM
Well that's what I meant (unclear phrasing I admit)--each figure will be packed with an identical miniature version of itself. But you're right, I didn't think what that would mean for figures like Vader/holo Vader.... :-\ If Veers is not packed with mini Vader there will be a huge outcry ....
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: Reid on October 20, 2005, 08:12 PM
:-\ If Veers is not packed with mini Vader there will be a huge outcry ....

Yes. I invision there will be riots in the streets and mass hysteria.  :P
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: Mr.el lucco on October 20, 2005, 09:02 PM
I just want more jedi,clones and sith or cis i want more empire also.
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: Paul on October 20, 2005, 09:41 PM
Veers and Cliff Clavin are really growing on me....but the ATAT driver is the goods.....I wish he did not have the cross cut elbows....those things are USELESS.  If they don't have swivel wrists, there really is NO point in even articulating the elbows.....

That being said I'll reiterate the fact that I'll buy most of em....anything OT these days beats anything that is PT Pegwarming these days....
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: Matt on October 21, 2005, 02:08 AM
I like the Artoo, just for the fact that it appears to be a repaint of the Sneak Preview R4-G9 sculpt, and not a rehash of the VOTC version. 

Don't care for the VOTC version at all, compared to the (far-superior) Sneak Preview model. 

I actually wanted an Artoo made out of the R4-G9 version so much, that I attempted to repaint one, and I have all the figure-painting skills of a drunken goat.  Needless to say, it did not turn out well.
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: Darby on October 21, 2005, 04:42 AM
I'm actually kind of interested in R2 as well.  Just because I like the SP body so much.  And I wonder what holo fig he'll come with?  Leia?  Wouldn't that be neat.
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: Darth_Anton on October 21, 2005, 10:08 AM
You know, for as bad an idea as the kit bashed snowtrooper is, it's enough of a gimick to get me to one open.
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: Jeff on October 21, 2005, 10:26 AM
You know, for as bad an idea as the kit bashed snowtrooper is, it's enough of a gimick to get me to one open.

Me too.   :-[

At first, I was just buying Veers, Derlin, AT-AT Driver, and Gonk.  But with the info that R2 is most likely the RotS SP Sculpt and the Snowtrooper is a new/kitbash figure, I'll most likely need to buy openers for those two. 

Now all they have to do now is announce that Vader comes with a Holo Emperor "Head" ("What is thy Bidding my Master?") and announce that Rieekan comes with WED-1016 (an Echo Base Treadwell Droid) and I'll be hooked on buying those two too...  :P
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: Brian on October 21, 2005, 10:30 AM
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At first, I was just buying Veers, Derlin, AT-AT Driver, and Gonk.  But with the info that R2 is most likely the RotS SP Sculpt and the Snowtrooper is a new/kitbash figure, I'll most likely need to buy openers for those two.

Yeah, since I read that the R2 might be using the ROTS SP sculpt, I think I'll have to pick one up too.  That was just a great astromech sculpt, and could make for a real nice R2.  I'll probably have to get a snowtrooper or two also, since the only one I have is one of the Saga version.  Still holding out for a new sculpt/SA one before I build too much of an army though.  Otherwise, I'll plan on getting the rest of the "new" figures, skipping Rieekan, and we'll see about Vader.
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: blaster_e11 on October 21, 2005, 11:36 AM
i'll see if those are sold here otherwise i'll rely on the Internet

i plan to get the veers naturally (thanks hasbro for making one with so many removable accessories); derlin is cool looking too (even if i'm not a rebel army builder), and maybe the ATAT driver and the GONK droid

Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: Diddly on October 21, 2005, 11:51 PM
You know, the more I look at it, I think the Vader is the same as the 500th version, perhaps with a different head (no removeable helmet)...
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: Jesse James on October 22, 2005, 04:35 PM
500th and VOTC, if I'm not mistaken (I didn't open my 500th) are one in the same, but different heads, so that'd make it the VOTC sculpt I think.

The arms are almost definitely VOTC...  It's the legs I can't tell about.  They look it to me, but I can't clearly see the knee articulation either.
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: DoctorPadawan on October 22, 2005, 06:38 PM
500 is a different sculpt from the VOTC version.  The 500 has traditional joints at the neck, shoulders, hips, and (maybe) waist, as well as cut elbows, cut wrists, and a rather interesting "double ball joint" in his knees.  The legs have a much wider stance (which is what tipped it off to me a few pages ago when the first photos surfaced) to accomodate the chamber chair, and it doesn't have the hole in the belt for the lightsaber hilt.

Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: Brian on November 4, 2005, 09:49 AM
As you can see on the front page, Hasbro (http://www.hasbro.com/starwars/pl/page.news/newsID.562E942F-D56F-E112-4DFB46DF5D0F015E/default.cfm) has updated with news on the figures included in the Hoth wave.  Sounds like Veers does indeed have removable armor/helmet.
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: Darth_Anton on November 4, 2005, 09:51 AM
Sounds like Veers does indeed have removable armor/helmet.

And the was much rejoycing!
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: Matt on November 4, 2005, 03:58 PM
I'm still curious as to which Artoo we'll be getting with this wave.  In the initial pic, and in the pic on Hasbro's site (which I believe may be the same pic), the Artoo appears to be a plain, repainted Sneak Preview R4-G9.  But in their write up, they say "includes electronic lights and sounds."

Guess we'll have to wait until carded pics show up to be certain.  I'm really hoping for a plain, R4-G9 repaint with this one.  If it's not, that will make the third electronic Artoo in about a year and a half, which is really pushing it, even for an Artoo junkie like me.
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: Brian on November 4, 2005, 04:03 PM
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I'm still curious as to which Artoo we'll be getting with this wave.  In the initial pic, and in the pic on Hasbro's site (which I believe may be the same pic), the Artoo appears to be a plain, repainted Sneak Preview R4-G9.  But in their write up, they say "includes electronic lights and sounds."

Guess we'll have to wait until carded pics show up to be certain.  I'm really hoping for a plain, R4-G9 repaint with this one.  If it's not, that will make the third electronic Artoo in about a year and a half, which is really pushing it, even for an Artoo junkie like me.

I'm kind of curious about this too.  When we were thinking it was a repainted R4-G9, I thought that would be a nice repaint, and an R2 I would likely pick up.  If it is another electronic version, I'm not so sure.  Its a neat gimmick, and I like it on the ones I have, but I don't know that we necessarily need another.  I'd rather get the nice R4-G9-sculpted version.
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: Darth Broem on November 5, 2005, 11:33 AM
I think it does have light and sounds according to the latest 411 by "that other site." 
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: OT Freak on November 6, 2005, 12:14 AM
Sounds like Veers does indeed have removable armor/helmet.

And the was much rejoycing!
Yeah, but will he come with a regular hat? I mean whats the point of the helmet and armor coming off if Veers doesn't come with his fancy hat? It's not like he didn't wear it on screen. Maybe Hasbro will use the EU BS on this one. ;D
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: Nathan on November 6, 2005, 12:34 AM
Maybe the R2 is a straight repack of the one from the Bacara/Crispy McAnakin period....
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: Jesse James on November 6, 2005, 02:42 AM
I saw (not you Anton, others) that some were surprised at Veers having the removable armor and I was sorta surprised at their surprise...  The armor was pretty plainly obvious that it came off by looking at it.  Not that it looks bad, it just clearly is separately molded pieces.  I didn't realize there were many out there who didn't catch that.

I agree with OTFreak about the hat...  Seems odd if he doesn't have it, and I have to say it's a disappointment if it's the case.  I was really REALLY looking forward to having a hat I could perhaps use for customizing but whatever...

In the end I'll be content with Veers I think...  The whole Saga series is looking cool but I'm more concerned with articulation taking a step backwards after so much advancment in this area by Hasbro...  Ball/socket knees missing on Han (Veers I'm alittle more lenient on) is just a disappointment...  Same goes for Derlin since I consider him an army builder.  Veers I'm so-so on.  He could use them too and I'd be the first to want them but somehow I just don't care as much about him.  Maybe it's all the gear he comes with, I dunno.
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: Darby on November 6, 2005, 04:28 AM
So far I haven't seen or heard anything in the Saga line that absolutely blows me away.  Usually as the calender flips over and we get an idea of the year ahead there's one figure or two that gets me going, but not so far with Saga.

There's some great stuff (the AT AT Driver for one) but like Jesse said, the articulation seems to be in retreat, the main characters we want redone are either going to be repacks, or $5 more expensive (VOTC, if it's true). 
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: Jesse James on November 6, 2005, 04:54 AM
I'll bite on a VOTC Han Trenchcoat though if it's all it should be for that price.  :)  I'll be giddy at that one.

The line is kinda "meh" right now though.  It's weird...  I like this stuff, I'm excited about collecting, but I wasn't really "down" on ROTS yet either...  I'm glad to get OT stuff, but I'm anxious for some oddball things or an army builder that simply bowls me over.  The AT AT Driver is cool but not one I wanted particularly...  Had that been a Snowtrooper I'd have probably gone nuts when I saw the pics.  Had it been a SA Rebel Trooper, I'd have probably wet myself.

Or SA Han Hoth, or SA Hoth Luke or SA Snowspeeder anyone...  You get the picture.

Instead it's an AT-AT Driver who I have some POTF2 figs I was happy enough with.  Not to say I dislike him, he's cool, but just wasn't high on my list.  Veers was though so he's cool to me.  That's the kinda stuff I'm really looking forward to.
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: rishakra on November 8, 2005, 12:15 PM
I'm glad they are doing the AT-AT Driver again but I'd rather have a new snowtrooper.  The origional AT-AT Driver looked pretty cool to me and I'd be OK is they left it that way if I could get a SA Snowtrooper...and I'll freak the day they make the Galactic Marine version!
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: Darby on November 8, 2005, 08:58 PM
An SA Snowtrooper is like on my top five list.  I'm disappointed, too, but maybe they didn't want to do him and the AT AT Driver at the same time.
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: Darth_Anton on November 10, 2005, 01:24 AM
There's always next year for the SA Snowtrooper. At least were getting an awsome Veers and a VOTC Scout trooper to tie us over.
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: Jesse James on November 10, 2005, 02:13 AM
That's how I tend to view it...  I hope for it just coming out next year rather than thinking about it this year...  It's a figure that needs done though in SA with softgoods items...

The scout is a mixed blessing I think. :)  Kinda like the Stormie was last year...  $10 army building ain't easy.

I will say though that I'd not give "awesome" to Veers because of the articulation.  I'm really sorta down to see the line regress some in quality because Veers really could've given us a more poseable Impy officer...  Ozzel's cool, but they can do better with some knee joints.  I really keep hoping this isn't a trend and that maybe some of these figs were done a while ago ('03) and maybe are just hold-overs from that time.
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: Darth_Anton on November 11, 2005, 10:23 AM
SA with softgoods items...


Mmmmm, softgoods.
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: Brian on December 2, 2005, 04:03 PM
Rebelscum (http://www.rebelscum.com/story/front/The_Saga_Collection_Spotlight_Battle_of_Hoth_96098.asp) has pics up (carded and loose) of the Hoth wave.  That Veers figure looks really nice, as do the rest.  I can't quite place the R2, it says it has "sounds", but it doesn't look exactly the same as previous "with sounds" versions.  Looks like VOTC to me actually, maybe the "sounds" is a misprint or mistake right now.  Anyways, pics at the linky if interested.  Should be a good wave, Hoth is always one of my favorite "battles/places" to get figures from.
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: Darby on December 2, 2005, 04:05 PM
These look amazing carded (the backdrops are great).  And the Gonk comes with an extra droid.  Nice.  I might be buying all of these except Vader.  Sigh.
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: Brian on December 2, 2005, 04:09 PM
Yeah, forgot to mention that, but these really do look amazing carded.  I think I might be in for the majority of the wave too, aside from Rieekan.  I'm on the fence with Vader and R2, but they look to maybe be the VOTC (or 500th or combination) versions, and if that's the case I might pick up extras at the cheaper price.
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: rishakra on December 2, 2005, 04:31 PM
I freaking LOVE the AT-AT Driver.  I think I might hurt myself trying to get that one (several actually).  I even like the Snowtrooper even though it's a kitbash of the last two snowtroopers...  Gives me a customizing idea.  hmmmm...
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: Jeff on December 2, 2005, 05:10 PM
These look amazing carded (the backdrops are great).  And the Gonk comes with an extra droid.  Nice.  I might be buying all of these except Vader.  Sigh.

Wow!  That Gonk comes with a "regular" topper or the "headlights" topper, PLUS a Treadwell droid!   :o

And Veers comes with his hat too!

And R2 comes with the Dagobah X-Wing goodies!  I still have no idea which R2 this is, but it looks like the EB Kit version (vOTC with periscope and glued in place panel).

I'm loving these pack-in items!   ;D

Too bad they couldn't find something to spruce up Derlin or Reiky (to entice me to open another one  :P).
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: Jayson on December 2, 2005, 05:38 PM
Interesting the loose photo they show for that R2 is obviously a different figure than the one in the carded shot.
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: CHEWIE on December 2, 2005, 05:40 PM
Well HOT DAMN!  To me this is the best wave we've seen for the Saga Collection.


Veers - Unreal accessories... this is two figures in one!  I do wish the knees were articulated, but who am I to complain - we get a removable cap and the helmet?  And removable armor?  Probably the coolest non-VOTC or non-Evolutions figure I've seen in a long time... simply WOW.  I WILL get at least 10 of him to open, customize, etc.  A true dream come true!

Bren Derlin - Finally a Hoth Rebel that looks just right.  Ball jointed shoulders and knee articulation would have put this over the top... but still an excellent looking figure.  Chalk me up for about 12 of him.

AT-AT Driver - This looks flawless - and I do mean FLAWLESS.  Articulation everywhere you could possibly want except for the feet I suppose.  Yes, another 10-12 of them is what I want.  Too cool to limit myself to 3-4 of them.  

R2D2 - Not bad at all, it's the accessories from the Dagobah X-Wing that will sell me on this.  Good pack ins Hasbro.

Snowtrooper - A good inclusion, would prefer SA, so I'll only get 3-4 of them.

Rieken - Finally, a figure in this wave that I can pass on.

Vader - It's Vader...so I need one of him.  Never pass on a great Vader, you're going to hell if you do.

Gonk - Yeah!  A Tredwell droid, and the top piece is removable, and he has a great paint application!  Yes, I want about 4-5 of them.


Overall, this wave will cost me a bundle.  A+ work Hasbro.  Now let's keep the retailers to charging about $5.00 and I'm very happy.

 :P
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: Jayson on December 2, 2005, 05:43 PM
Jeez Chew… at $5 ea. this wave alone will cost you $230.00 with all the extras you want for kitbashin'. Pace yourself brotha… we're in for a long year!  ;D
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: Darby on December 2, 2005, 07:18 PM
Well, I better get Vader then, if I don't want to fry...  ;)
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: CHEWIE on December 2, 2005, 08:20 PM
I know Jedijaybird... it won't be cheap.  Luckily I won't be buying much of the Carkoon wave.  But this Hoth wave, to me looks like one of the all around best waves I've seen.   :)

 :P
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: Gatillo on December 2, 2005, 08:39 PM
I was not expecting to buy any new figures for a while but the Hoth wave looks a hell of a lot better than the pit one. (yep, the pit one)
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: Reid on December 2, 2005, 10:33 PM
The Veers looks amazing, thats a must-get for me. AT Driver and Snowie are cool too.
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: Diddly on December 2, 2005, 10:44 PM
Damn, I LOVE the Veers and AT-AT driver. I'll be getting multiples for army building and possibly customs. Speaking of customs, anybody think a good Rieekan could be made from the Derlin body?

Here's my buy/pass list:

BUY: Veers, Derlin, AT-AT Driver, Gonk Droid, R2-D2 (because of the accessories)

PASS: Vader (have enough, looks like a 500th rerelease), Snowtrooper (waiting for an SA version), Rieekan (have one already, unless someone can make a custom using Derlin)
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: Jesse James on December 3, 2005, 01:31 AM
Lots of goodness there...

Nice to see Hasbro make that Gonk a much more worthy figure by packing in the Treadwell.  A new paintjob on him woulda been cool but whatever.

Veers including his hat is great for customizers.  A castable Imperial Kepi has been long overdue, and hollowing them out is nye on impossible.  The sculpt looks like one of the most accurate likenesses I've ever seen too, that's impressive.

Derlin almost appears like he re-uses legs from Riekean, but I could be wrong.

Snowtrooper almost looks worth having one or two of, haha.  Bummer not SA though still.

AT-AT Driver's neat looking but I still would have preferred a new Snowtrooper and re-released AT-AT Driver.  Unlike the TIE Pilot there's a LOT less difference between sculpts here.

Looks cool to me overall and I want a couple Gonks and many MANY Veers figures. :)

BTW I noticed that the loosies aren't the same figures as the carded ones.  There's noticeable differences with most of them if not all of them, so I'm guessing the looses are just cropped images from online (my guess) and the carded shots were given by an overseas etailer or aren't being opened by who has them for whatever reason.  Just some observations.
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: Jayson on December 3, 2005, 06:38 AM
Derlin almost appears like he re-uses legs from Riekean, but I could be wrong.


Yeah they are different legs…

Derlin has the textured checked pattern on the thighs and the boot sculpt is different also.

 The only thing I don't like about that 500th Vader Sculpt is the flexible Cod piece. I'm not sure how much sitting this figure will be doing, but the one that is included with the Med. Chamber looks like he has a "perma-boner" when not sitting.
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: Paul on December 3, 2005, 09:11 AM
I'm not too convinced that Veers hat is removable...it looks like they helmet may just fit over it.....

I hate to be the sayer of "Nay" in this thread, but the lack of Super Articulation on some of these is still enough to annoy me to the point of disinterest. 

The swivel/slash elbow is so vile to me that I'd prefer no articulation at all.  And the lack of Knee Articulation is a let down too.

I'll snag a couple ATAT drivers and one each of Gonk, Veers and Derlin but other than that, this wave will be a pass.  I'm sure they'll be saving all the articulation for Pre-quel drivel and one frame of film jedi....
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: Darth Broem on December 3, 2005, 10:54 AM
The only main headscratcher for me is why they won't make a SA snowtrooper?  I think that is really odd.  Otherwise the other figs look good IMO.  Well actually I won't get Vader or Riekkaan.  R2 for the accessories I will get.  The gonk droid, Veers, Derlin, and AT-AT driver are way to nice for me to pass on. 
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: Darth_Anton on December 3, 2005, 12:39 PM
I'm not too convinced that Veers hat is removable...it looks like they helmet may just fit over it.....


Exactamundo! Take a look at the loose picture, you can see the hat under the helmet. In fact, that's the same loose picture we've had, it's amazing no one picked that out.

As for the wave, I hear what poeple say about lack of good articulation, but I don't think it's needed. At least I won't miss it for how they'll be displayed.

I have to say that I think the Snowtrooper is awful though! I don't like to thorw that word out when it comes to SW figures, but the is no need to kitbash any POTF2 part with anything. I'll get one carded, but I will not army build with this. I have a feeling we'll be getting a SA one anyway.

The rest of the wave, with the exception of Reekin, which I think will be the only regwarmer of the first three waves, looks great. Veers and Derlin are at the top of my list to get and being able to make three Power Droids is an awsome gimick!

Has anyones else noticed that it looks like both Reekin and Derlin are packed with the uber-small rebel blasters?
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: Darby on December 3, 2005, 03:06 PM
I've been clamoring for an SA Snowtrooper, too, but I think they're probably pacing themselves.  They probably didn't want to do both the Snowtrooper and the AT AT Driver at the same time, and I'm glad they did get back to the Driver.

One reason I think the articulation on these early TSC figs is lacking is that they've been in development since before ROTS (at least I hope); they might have been meant for the original Saga line or OTC.  If the articulation doesn't start escalating as the line goes on, though, I don't know.

Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: CHEWIE on December 4, 2005, 12:40 PM
Damnit!  So the hat's not removable on Veers probably... that's ok, but I did think it would be.  There are some BBI figures that have beret type hats that are very small, but removable (and extremely well made).

As for the swivel joints at the elbows - better than nothing in my opinion.

 :P
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: Reid on December 4, 2005, 01:09 PM
Buy: Veers, AT-AT Driver, Droids 2-Pack (I'm a sucker for background droids)

Maybe: Snowtrooper

Pass: Vader, R2, Derlin, Rieeken
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: Darth_Anton on December 4, 2005, 03:12 PM
Damnit!  So the hat's not removable on Veers probably... that's ok, but I did think it would be.  There are some BBI figures that have beret type hats that are very small, but removable (and extremely well made).

 :P

Yeah, a removable hat would have been great for customized officers.

And don't forget, the Bespin Guard had a removable hat that worked great!
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: Clone On Fire on December 12, 2005, 09:29 AM
Buy: Veers, AT-AT Driver, Droids 2-Pack (I'm a sucker for background droids)

Maybe: Snowtrooper

Pass: Vader, R2, Derlin, Rieeken

Buy: 

Veers x 2
AT-AT Driver x 2-4
Droids 2-pack x 1
Snowtrooper x 5-10 (can you really ever have enough?)
Derlin x 1 (possibly more should I ever learn to customize, might be a decent base for Hoth troops)

Pass:

Riekken
Vader
R2

Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: Jesse James on December 16, 2005, 04:34 AM
I'm a bit bummed to hear about Veers' headgear issue...  Hasbro, instead of getting off their cheap asses and sculpting a hat, sculpted the helmet so it fits OVER the hat...  Which I'm disappointed in that.

Still liking Veers a lot though, but man they can take any really good idea and just fall shy of greatness.  I'm probably more disappointed in the hat not coming off than I am in his lack of knee joints...  I mean, why not just sculpt the hat?  Hell, re-use it on future Imperial figures even...  Alas, perfection's not something they appear to want to give us unless it's $10.   Someone probably lost his job for Obi Pilot even making it into the basic line.  :P
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: Jeff on December 16, 2005, 10:16 AM
Looks like some details are leaking out about some of the Hoth figures since they are now shipping from Asian e-tailers and "back-door" sources...

Veers: working holster, non-removable hat

Derlin: working holster, non-removable hat

AT-AT Driver: Super-Articulated - Ball jointed head, shoulders, & knees; swivel elbows and gloves

R2-D2:  "Dirty" repaint of the EB Kit R2-D2 (which was a modified vOTC R2-D2.  I'm damn dissapointed that it is not the sneak preview sculpt.   :(

Vader: 500th Vader repaint, complete with removable "dome" (aka the top of his helmet)

Power Droid: Modified CommTech Power Droid with a new "hat".  Also comes with the old "stovepipe" accessory. so you can mix and match your Power Droids if you want...

New photos are available at that other site...

Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: Brian on December 16, 2005, 03:24 PM
Some nice looks at the Hoth wave, thanks Jeff.  I'm pretty excited for this wave, especially due to the "new" figures.  Veers and Derlin are both welcome additions, and ones I've always kind of wanted, and the AT-AT Driver looks amazing.  Of the repacks, I am kind of disappointed that the R2 isn't a repaint of the sneak preview mold, that is a great figure.  I guess the positive side of it is, it shows that repacks of VOTC figures aren't necessarily out of the question, and hopefully that opens the doors to seeing some Stormtroopers (or Han, Chewie, Boba, etc.) down the road.

Looking at this wave (as well as the Carkoon one), I'm kind of starting to agree with those who have said these might have been initially designed during the OTC time frame.  Figures like Gen. Veers, Bren Derlin, Carbonite Han, and even Bib Fortuna (not to mention the repacks) are very reminiscent of the "style" we saw the OTC figures.  Similar articulation, sculpt, etc. to the Dagobah and Bespin waves.  And, honestly, the Boussh Leia and AT-AT Driver could about fit in with the VOTC figure style as well.  Does anyone else think it was possible some of these were on the drawing board for that line?  It seems like it is possible anyways.  That isn't a bad thing to me, because aside from too many repacks, those were really great lines with the combination of packaging, figures, and OT goodness :).
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: Darby on December 16, 2005, 03:26 PM
My cousin just paid a tidy sum for the 500th Vader on ebay, after I told him the Hoth one would be the exact same figure.   ::)  

I definitely think these figs date back to OTC/VOTC.  We'll know for sure when Cody and his crew show.  If they don't sport ROTS style articulation, we're in trouble.
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: Jesse James on December 17, 2005, 07:45 AM
They're an interesting mix but I keep hoping you're right Spuffy about them being potentially from another era of quality.  Not to say they're bad at all, I love Derlin and Veers overall, but I'm still have some gripes...  Namely, the knee joints kill me.  The Cantina wave was SO perfect, they should have just made htis a standard...  Especially when you know Veers is going to be as good as an army builder to many.  Same with Derlin.  I know I already want a bunch to put new heads onto him.  I'm also disappointed in Veers' hat not being removable.  I'm more irked about that because of the customizing potential it would have given me though.  At the end of the day it's a flaw in my eyes though but the knees are a much larger issue to me.

The holsters rock though (even though Veers' holster is not correct since he didn't wear it without the armor)...  Not sure why, but Derlin seems to have that pathetic pea shooter that the POTJ Fleet Trooper had...  Why reuse that sculpt?  I'm confused by that, but whatever...  I have the good ones around here to re-equip him with I just hope they fit the holster.

R2's different...  Vader's worth buying to have basically an opened 500th Vader...  The Gonk is my favorite, I don't know why.  I just love those droids and it's nice getting another one.  Veers is great custom fodder despite the leg articulation and hat, and Derlin's great despite the leg articulation and pistol....  Those knee joints just kill me though, and I hope that this isn't a sign of the way things will be across the board.

The AT-AT Driver's the clear-cut winner though of course.  Great figure...  Not one I wanted particularly, but great figure overall.  He's what the standard ought to be for 85% of the line's new sculpts.  I'm glad he doesn't look like he'll put the old sculpt AT-AT drivers to shame too much either, so I won't really have that urge to retire them like I do my TIE Pilots.  That's a plus.

(http://www.mrmforce.com/hoth34.JPG)
(http://www.mrmforce.com/hoth31.JPG)
(http://www.mrmforce.com/hoth21.JPG)
(http://www.mrmforce.com/hoth28.JPG)
(http://www.mrmforce.com/hoth18.JPG)
(http://www.mrmforce.com/hoth26.JPG)
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: Darth_Anton on December 17, 2005, 12:34 PM

Has anyones else noticed that it looks like both Reekin and Derlin are packed with the uber-small rebel blasters?

Wanted to refresh this question. I'm slightly concerned about this.
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: Jesse James on December 17, 2005, 06:12 PM
Yup, I've taken note of that too Anton...  Definitely is the POTJ blaster sculpt, not the Saga one.  Why would Hasbro do this?  I'm clueless except to think that it's their effort to re-use that mold a bit...  An effort to depreciate its cost some and perhaps retire it.  I'm not sure how they go about that...

It also could be just a simple act of laziness on someone's part, using a mold that's outdated and was never appreciated by collectors.  The good news is I have a number of extra Saga pistols but still now I wonder if they'll fit the holster and the figure's hand ok?  For my money the blaster and knees are Derlin's failings as an action figure...  The blaster I can live with though without a problem, but the knees simply are piss poor cost cutting on Hasbro's part for what is probably the better Hoth Rebel army builder at this stage.
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: jedipurge on December 20, 2005, 04:29 PM
thanks for the pics Jesse i'm not able to access that other site, so I'm glad to get close ups of theses figs.  not so much disappointed on the lack of articulation on the "new" figs, but it'd been nice for derlin & veers to have removable hats for customs, but i'm a little more disappointed in that the veers' uniform doesn't have the texture that ozzels' uniform does.  i notices the design is a little different, but that's cool cause it's a variation between the navy and army officers.
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: CHEWIE on December 20, 2005, 04:33 PM
Thanks for all those great pics Jesse.  God that AT-AT driver looks awesome.  I did retire my old POTF2 drivers actually because of this figure.

 :P
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: JesseVader08 on December 20, 2005, 06:48 PM
It's just a minor detail I suppose, but I really like those bases with their names on them. 
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: P-Siddy on December 20, 2005, 10:52 PM
Must say that I like this wave a lot. A lot of cool characters. Looks like I might be buying the lot of these.

General Veers- looks pretty good, especially with the removable helmet and armor.

Major Bren Derlin - gotta have Cliff Clavin

AT-AT Driver - I love Imperial troops.

R2-D2 - if it's the chrome dome, I might consider it.

Snowtrooper - Might get some to custom into Comm. Bacara's squad.

General Rieekan - Yes!

Darth Vader - might get just for the removable helmet for a custom.

Power Droid - droids rock!
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: Darth_Anton on December 21, 2005, 10:55 AM
God that AT-AT driver looks awesome.  I did retire my old POTF2 drivers actually because of this figure.

 :P

I'm going to do the same thing. I think the POTF2 ones hold up well enough though, at least to trade off.
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: Darth_Anton on January 4, 2006, 10:40 AM
I got to see Veers, Snowtrooper, Power droid, Vader and R2 first hand last night, and at $15 a piece, I was half tempted. I so can't wait to get my hands on Veers. The Snowtrooper actually looks better in person, but not good enough to want to spend time army building. For the fist time, I was able to determine that it's the Saga body and skirt with POTF2 legs and arms.

Too bad the guy didn't have Derlin and Reekin so I could check out the blaster size first hand. :-\
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: Darth Slothus on January 4, 2006, 12:02 PM
Where at Anton? Was that at Big Lou's?
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: Ithorian Clergy on January 4, 2006, 01:57 PM
I got to see Veers, Snowtrooper, Power droid, Vader and R2 first hand last night

Ha ha!  It sounds like an exalted gracious scalper granted us peeons permission to see these great rare precious items.

There's something wrong when you find a new wave of figures and can't even buy them because they're marked up 3x the normal amount.

And what really gets me, is that there are some stupid people out there that pay it.  If nobody paid these ridiculous prices, the scalpers would absolutely stop wasting there time screwing around in our hobby.
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: Darth Slothus on January 4, 2006, 02:22 PM
I got that beat...what gets me is that some folks won't step into a Walmart to buy x5 new saga figures for $29.40(without tax) but are ready and willing to buy at target for x5 at 34.95$ ::)

the $5+ savings alone is a lunch let alone a savings of over a hundred dollars for the line. IMO it's dumb especially when the reason are like" I'm to above setting foot in Walmart to shop"- assuming some kind of superiority complex or heirarchy. Or using a reason like " have you seen the people in Walmarts" -like they could judge.


I have no bias or reason to back any chain store but I definately back saving money when buying SW. When you pay more you ultimately are getting less for your dollar-regardless of how much money you can easily throw at it.

And Please, don't get offended it's my 2 cents that I have a right to share like anyone else-I didn't quote anyone in particular(no names here)
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: speedermike on January 4, 2006, 08:49 PM
Wal-Mart is not an option for everyone.  Target is 5 minutes away.
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: Rob on January 4, 2006, 11:43 PM
the $5+ savings alone is a lunch let alone a savings of over a hundred dollars for the line. IMO it's dumb especially when the reason are like" I'm to above setting foot in Walmart to shop"- assuming some kind of superiority complex or heirarchy. Or using a reason like " have you seen the people in Walmarts" -like they could judge.


I have no bias or reason to back any chain store but I definately back saving money when buying SW.

Nevermind that stuff is cheaper at Walmart because of their 10 mile long list of deplorable business practices.

Personally, I just think that the vast majority of the Walmarts I've been in have been crap holes - and the lines are always absurdly long compared to Target, and the employees are never helpful, and rarely speak English well enough for me to converse with them.

But hey, watch for falling prices!
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: Jesse James on January 5, 2006, 01:29 AM
I have no bias, I go to whichever is cheaper, however that's only for Star Wars...  for groceries I tend to shop the big chain here over WM simply because I don't want a WM in my immediate (like 5 minutes away) area.  Nobody else seems to either since it's been fought fairly well. 

For my area (Pittsburgh) shopping's funny.  I live a ways outside the city, in an area that's just not developed much and remains rural.  There's shopping 45 minutes in a number of directions, and that suits me...  it'd be nice if it was 20 minutes away but I live.  Long toy hunts is all.  I mean, just to hit 2 WM's and a Target and TRU, I'm looking at leaving around 6 and getting back around 9 or 10.  That sucks.

WM's where I'll get my SW fix for now till Target comes down.  I honestly would buy at the local KM if they were $5.99 or less...  I bought most of my POTJ figures there actually, literally saw every wave once there.  That was a good year.  I got final 12 there too on Black Friday and for real cheap.

WM and Target are hit and miss for me and I tend not to skip much if I want it unless I'm sure I'll see it at a cheaper price. 

I probably shop more at Target than WM in general (I look at them as being just as shady as WM though in all likelihood) because the stores are cleaner and less congested around here.  I don't know why that is though...  Their checkouts seem more logically laid out and more are open though.  If they had self checkouts it'd be great.  The store's noticeably cleaner generally though and Target seems to not be so dreary inside, I don't know why.  I'm sure someone with a psychology background could tell us that though.

Neither seems to outdo the other on finds though, I clump them together in my opinion and until Target drops the price I'm not as interested in it.  I wanna find a cheapy cheap TIE Fighter at Target though and some Shadow Troops for cheap, haha.

WM's opening near my gf's house soon so I'm sure I'll be there more.  It's like 20 minutes away too so that's not bad.
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: Darth_Anton on January 5, 2006, 10:40 AM
I got to see Veers, Snowtrooper, Power droid, Vader and R2 first hand last night

Ha ha!  It sounds like an exalted gracious scalper granted us peeons permission to see these great rare precious items.


I've talked to the guy before. Although I would consider him a scalper, he does get his stuff direct from a Hasbro source and although $15 is rediculous, I've seen much worse. It's weird, when the stuff is bought from the store and marked up, it irks me much more that when stuff is obtained from other sources. ???

Jon, yes, it was Big Lou's. 8) 
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: Darth Slothus on January 5, 2006, 01:04 PM
Did they still have 3 spacetroopers from EU there? Was that the booth your buddy runs?
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: Clone On Fire on January 5, 2006, 05:26 PM
About this Walmart vs. Target thing, I guess I do notice a slight difference in the clientel on average, Target seems to be a bit cleaner pehaps.  But Walmart's figs are $1.10 cheaper, so they win.  I'll only buy a figure at Target if I can't find it at Walmart.
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: Darth_Anton on January 6, 2006, 09:58 AM
Did they still have 3 spacetroopers from EU there? Was that the booth your buddy runs?

It's the case on the far end opposite the front door, middle isle. Didn't notice any EU troopers.
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: Clone Commander on January 10, 2006, 09:28 PM
And they are found!!!!

Rebel Scum says that somebody has found the hoth wave.
They even have pics up!
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: SilverZ on January 11, 2006, 02:35 AM
The Carkoon wave hasn't even had a chance to sit for even a moment. If this pace keeps up it's going to be a brutal year.
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: Ryan on January 11, 2006, 02:37 AM
Jebus. I have yet to see a single TSC figure and the Hoth wave is hitting? I'm screwed this year.
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: Jesse James on January 11, 2006, 02:42 AM
I haven't seen Carkoon wave yet.  Just Bib and a Barada my mother picked up for me...  I'm still looking for 2 Fett's for my gf's kids, and all the others from that wave and now Hoth to deal with...   ::)  Thanks retail.
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: Darby on January 11, 2006, 04:43 AM
This is the real litmus test: will Hoth figs sit at $7?  Will enough them ship for us to know?  Will Darb break down and give in to Target's insanity for an AT AT Driver?

Hoth wave: it separates the Spuffies from the real collectors.   ;)
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: Jesse James on January 11, 2006, 04:56 AM
I actually would break at the $7 pricepoint for some of the Hoth figs...  Not the Carkoon wave though, save perhaps Leia.  I refused Bib at $7, and Han I'd do the same.  The Hoth Wave I'd probably refuse most save for either Veers or the AT-AT Driver but I bet I wouldn't buy both.  $7's so pricey...  It really does make me rethink where I'm spending.  I used to not be that way but I have to be stricter with my spending if Hasbro's going to be so dickish with pricing.

Same goes for other areas of my life though...  gas goes up, I go where it's cheapest.  I love this one gas station, but I'm now turning to others due to prices.  Gas has skyrocketed here quickly so I'm trying to get it at the grocery store where it's cheaper due to shopping incentives. 
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: Darth Broem on January 11, 2006, 09:24 AM
I stick to both Wal-Mart and Target and sometimes Toys R Us.  I just buy from whomever has the figures.  If I see a tact ops trooper at Target I won't just let it sit there and wait to see if Wal-Mart has it for $1 less.  Now if it's just general figures that are readily available I may wait. 

I actually passed up on Bib, Leia, and Han the other day because of the $7 price point.  I just did not want to spend $7 for any of them.  I think it's because I have all 3 versions from previous lines.  So, maybe I will shop around for those. 

Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: Darth_Anton on January 11, 2006, 09:37 AM
Where were they found? Also, what country? Who's reporting? There was a big deal when the Carkon wave first hit because people found them in Canada and neglected to pass along that info. There were lot's of false reports too, even with pictures.
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: Jeff on January 11, 2006, 09:56 AM
Where were they found? Also, what country?

I've seen reports on the 'net from folks in Indiana and Washington, both reports were bought at Target.

Also, this AM I had an e-mail from a guy in Illinois who claims to have found them at a local Target as well, but he offered no pictures to support his claim.

That's enough for me to start thinking about looking for them...  ;)


edit:
more reports, this time from South Dakota and Oklahoma...  something is definitely afoot!
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: Darth_Anton on January 11, 2006, 12:08 PM
Yeah, it's pretty irrefutable evidence. :P

At this rate the '06 line will be wrapped up by April.
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: SilverZ on January 11, 2006, 01:39 PM
And pegs across the country will be choking on dusty Bib Fortunas, General Reikeen, and Poggle the Lesser figures.
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: CHEWIE on January 11, 2006, 02:38 PM
Found them today at a local Walmart.  The AT-AT drivers were gone, but I was able to get two Snowtroopers, two Derlins, one Vader, one Gonk and one Veers.  Only had a chance to open a Snowtrooper and Derlin so far, the Derlin is pretty nice.  I am satisfied with the Snowtrooper too, but SA would have been a lot better.  I think they are saving that for a 2007 VOTC release, or some sort of Evolutions pack with a Galactic Marine.

 :P
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: ruiner on January 11, 2006, 02:58 PM
Great finds Chewie!

Does anyone know if NewForce will pre-sell the Carkoon and/or Hoth cases?

EE.com is too pricey and I like to support the little guys!   8)

This year I'm going to try ordering everything online and selling the extras here.  I think I'll actually save $$ when you add up my time and gas.

Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: Jayson on January 11, 2006, 03:03 PM
Aww… the hunt is half the fun… ;D
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: Jeff on January 11, 2006, 03:07 PM
EE.com is too pricey and I like to support the little guys!   8)

EE is too pricey?  Not this time around...

Target/TRU = $7.44 each ($6.99 plus tax)
EE = $7.45 each ($89.44 with shipping for a case of 12)

Looks pretty much the same to me!   EE is techinically cheaper if you figure in the gas you waste searching Target/TRU while the EE figures are bought to your door.    :P


Seriously though, last I heard from Rick at NewForce was that they were holding off on the first two waves initially.  They do have the Geonosis wave up right now though...
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: Brian on January 11, 2006, 03:22 PM
I stopped by Wal-Mart after lunch today after hearing these were showing up, and they had them at our local store too.  I was able to pick up Derlin, Veers, Gonk, Snowtrooper, and 2x AT-AT Drivers.  I was tempted to pick up extras of the Snowtroopers as well (and maybe even Derlin or Veers), but money is tight right now so I just got an extra AT-AT for now.  The Vader and R2 from this wave weren't on the pegs, but they had at least two of the rest.  The Carkoon wave that I found last week was completely gone, as I figure these will be soon as well.  Target's pegs were still empty, and I have yet to see a basic figure from 2006 there at all...although I could have missed them.
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: ruiner on January 11, 2006, 04:22 PM
EE.com is too pricey and I like to support the little guys!   8)

EE is too pricey?  Not this time around...

Target/TRU = $7.44 each ($6.99 plus tax)
EE = $7.45 each ($89.44 with shipping for a case of 12)

Looks pretty much the same to me!   EE is techinically cheaper if you figure in the gas you waste searching Target/TRU while the EE figures are bought to your door.    :P


Seriously though, last I heard from Rick at NewForce was that they were holding off on the first two waves initially.  They do have the Geonosis wave up right now though...

But Rick is $8 cheaper per case - therefore beating everybody but Wal-Mart! 
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: Darth Broem on January 11, 2006, 05:47 PM
Where were they found? Also, what country? Who's reporting? There was a big deal when the Carkon wave first hit because people found them in Canada and neglected to pass along that info. There were lot's of false reports too, even with pictures.

I live in the Phoenix, AZ area.  I found mine at a Target in Mesa.  Although the others have found them in various retail chains around this area.  Basically this whole area is covered by Targets, Wal-Marts, Toys R Us, etc.  It's much easier to find stuff obviously...initially anyway. 
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: Ben on January 11, 2006, 11:58 PM
Found these tonight too, and they were just too good to resist. I noticed they were all there except Rieekan, which I thought was weird.
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: Darby on January 12, 2006, 12:14 AM
I got the only Riekeen - mu ha ha ha!  Actually there was only one Vader, too, which I thought was more weird.  But then we're getting an avalance of him in the Coruscant wave (which will be out in what, March?  Next week?)   ::)
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: Ben on January 12, 2006, 12:19 AM
I was one of the dolts who paid $10 for him back in 2004, so I didn't need the "new" one.  ;)
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: Darth Slothus on January 12, 2006, 04:34 AM
The new wave looks great..love the veers, atat driver. Picked them up tonite(full set)(saw about 8 cases total) at WM. SC's in da' house!!!!
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: Darby on January 12, 2006, 04:56 AM
Yeah, definitely the best looking wave in a long time.  The backdrops look perfect with the black and silver.  Makes me wish I was a carded collector... almost.
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: ruiner on January 12, 2006, 10:19 AM
Found these tonight too, and they were just too good to resist. I noticed they were all there except Rieekan, which I thought was weird.

Wow, good for you and Spuffy!

I've yet to find any new TSC stuff - did you find them at WM?

Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: Brian on January 12, 2006, 10:20 AM
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Yeah, definitely the best looking wave in a long time.  The backdrops look perfect with the black and silver.  Makes me wish I was a carded collector... almost.

Yeah, I thought this was a great looking wave overall too.  I've always been a fan of the whole Hoth sequence, and these figures (especially the new ones) are all very well done.  Speaking of the backdrops, I really like this new packaging.  Very OTC-esque, and I really like the black/silver scheme.  I haven't opened a single 2006 figure yet, just looking at them in the packaging.  They will be opened eventually though, but they look nice all grouped together for now.  Definitely keeping these cardbacks though.
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: Ben on January 12, 2006, 01:08 PM
Found these tonight too, and they were just too good to resist. I noticed they were all there except Rieekan, which I thought was weird.

Wow, good for you and Spuffy!

I've yet to find any new TSC stuff - did you find them at WM?



Yup. They're at both local WMs, so there might be a couple left. CF WM has both current waves, while Lootown only has the Hoth wave.
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: Brian on January 12, 2006, 04:18 PM
One thing that came to mind while looking over the Hoth wave again is the state of Imperial troops at this point.  The AT-AT driver reminds me that we really have some amazing Imperial figures now, with the VOTC Stormtrooper, Evolutions Sandtrooper, and SAGA TIE Pilot.  The snowtrooper however reminds me how nice it would be to get a SA version of this one, comparable to the three I mentioned earlier.  That, in addition to the rumored VOTC Scout coming this year (hopefully) would really round out things nicely.  Not that this Snowtrooper is horrible, but I've been debating how much I'd like to army build with this version, or hold out for a better one down the road.  Otherwise, we're getting a pretty nice lineup overall, something I hope continues.
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: Clone On Fire on January 12, 2006, 05:15 PM
One thing that came to mind while looking over the Hoth wave again is the state of Imperial troops at this point.  The AT-AT driver reminds me that we really have some amazing Imperial figures now, with the VOTC Stormtrooper, Evolutions Sandtrooper, and SAGA TIE Pilot.  The snowtrooper however reminds me how nice it would be to get a SA version of this one, comparable to the three I mentioned earlier.  That, in addition to the rumored VOTC Scout coming this year (hopefully) would really round out things nicely.  Not that this Snowtrooper is horrible, but I've been debating how much I'd like to army build with this version, or hold out for a better one down the road.  Otherwise, we're getting a pretty nice lineup overall, something I hope continues.


Speaking of a nice SA trooper, how nice would it have been to get a Hoth Rebel Soldier instead of Vader or Riekken in this wave?
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: Reid on January 12, 2006, 06:59 PM


Speaking of a nice SA trooper, how nice would it have been to get a Hoth Rebel Soldier instead of Vader or Riekken in this wave?

We did.

(http://www.rebelscum.com/toys2005/TSC008derlin1.jpg)
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: TheBlackDog65 on January 12, 2006, 08:27 PM
Clarification: How about a grunt Rebel Hoth Solider that is SA? I know I passed on the Saga Buzz Lightyear model.  I also passed on this Snowtrooper; nothing that I don't have with the Saga Snowtrooper.

I picked up the members of the wave I wanted this am. I have to say, that overall, I am very pleased with the entire wave (though I did not buy all of them). Nicely done, good paint jobs. My only beef, probably the same as most,  not enough articulation on the figures.
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: speedermike on January 12, 2006, 09:09 PM
While I have yet to see these, I did pick up the first wave last week.  Am I the only one who is hugely relieved to actually see these things so soon in the new year?  I was worried we'd have another post-movie year drought like in 2003.  That was the crappiest six months of my entire collecting carreer.

I'm glad that Hasbro and retailers are getting this new stuff out so fast. They know that they've got a good fan base and they're not going to let it go.  It's a great way to start the year.
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: TheBlackDog65 on January 12, 2006, 11:11 PM
I have to say on the Darth Vader (the 500th edition without the chamber), I really dislike how easy the helmet falls off and how he cannot really hold his lightsaber that well. Nice figure, but Evolutions is SO much better followed by the VOTC. I may have to play at modifying the figure so he can hold his saber tighter.
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: Darby on January 12, 2006, 11:23 PM
I'm glad these got out so quick.  The Carkoon wave was a lame duck in comparison; Hasbro really should have led off with this one. 

If only every wave could be like this.  Even if you're not buying them all, there's very little not to like.  The articulation isn't what it should be, which I think is mostly to do with these being in a drawer since 2004, and some repacks may be frustrating (I'm happy with Riekeen, but would have been stoked for a Snowspeeder pilot of any kind, or even a slightly rejiggered Hoth Luke or Han), but overall it's great.

Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: Jesse James on January 13, 2006, 12:27 AM


Speaking of a nice SA trooper, how nice would it have been to get a Hoth Rebel Soldier instead of Vader or Riekken in this wave?

We did.

We did?

A figure with 10 points of articulation and no ball/socket joints, is not a good army builder to me. :)  Derlin's ok, but he's in dire need of ball/socket knees at the very least.  Beyond that he's ok...  He's not a good army builder by my standards, he's an ok figure overall, but I think we need something better though especially for the true "Trooper".  Sure it'd be the what, 4th sculpt of a Hoth Rebel Soldier we get?  But it's probably one of my top 5 resculpts we need in the line.  Actually, all 3 styles of Rebel Soldier in the films would be in my top 5 resculpts easily.  I want a Rebel Evolutions set personally, but yeah I wanna see all 3 redone with SA or damn close.
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: Kill_Solo on January 13, 2006, 01:08 AM
Damn man, this AT-AT driver is pretty freaking awesome! It takes me back to the old school because it was one of my first Star Wars figures. I think this figure is really well done. Great sculpt, awesome articulation just rad (sorry, flashback to the 80's).

Everyone needs to buy it, open it, and love it.
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: Darth_Anton on January 13, 2006, 10:06 AM
For those of you who have picked up Veers, how's the lack of a back armour plate? Is it awkward? It seems to me like the only real sticking point about this figure.
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: jedipurge on January 13, 2006, 11:22 AM
picked up 2x veers and 1 derlin last night.  Anton the armor sticks on fine no problems of it falling off, un like the carbonite block that can't stay up a damn.  it looks a little weird without it, but i don't think it takes away from the figure in the least.  my only complaint i suppose is the holster and blaster.  blaster way too small, but i suppose they gave him that one to fit the small holster and it bends the blaster while in it.  and maybe it's just mine but when i put the helmet over the hat, the helmet kind of flairs out on the sides.  i think it'd been better with a chin strap.
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: Darth Slothus on January 13, 2006, 11:23 AM
that doesn't bother me- I think it's good that Hasbro left that off-it's easier to quickly remove/replace this way. I think ..had there been a back piece included, that removal/replacement would have been more difficult or the mechanism to do it would break easily. I would like to believe Hasbro consider all these criteria when they produced it. (IMO of course ;))

I do say that he is the best Veers..and, thanks Hasbro for giving us the removeable plate, helmet instead of producing 2 different version figs to burn us. ;D
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: Ook on January 13, 2006, 12:41 PM
I'm really liking this Derlin for some reason.  I actually bought the old POTF Hoth soldier, last year I think. I wanted to fill out my Hoth section and figured he was good enough just to stick there with the other guys. Well, he just got retired. He really stood out horribly with his bigger scale and wildly preposed legs. It's nice to have Cliffy there ready to declare everyone needs to get to there stations. ;D

Why the **** does Veers look like Tarantino...? ??? Not a bad figure otherwise. I'm not happy their ever hungrier trays try to devour the figures and their accessories though. It doesn't do any good for the soft plastic they're using now; my Veers helmet is all warped.

The AT-AT driver looks awesome standing next to Veers. Great articulation.

The Gonk set is cool. I don't even remember the one with the Hoth top piece in the movie. Not thrilled to see the action legs return. They should've given it a couple ports for plugging in an included power cord to supply robots and equipment with power.

Got suckered in to buying Artoo just for the accessories. They look like the stuff Luke has on Dagobah. Wouldn't have minded at all if they'd repainted the ROTS body with the awesome crank-out third leg. Instead I get another goddamn EB Artoo with slop deco?

Anyone notice the cheapo plastic making a return in TSC? Not just the gummy crap that's been around for years now but also that chintzy stuff we all complained about the AT-TE Gunner being made of. I'm seeing it all over Veers and the AT-AT driver.

How's Vader? Anyone who's opened him: What exactly is he cannibalized from? I almost bought him because he looks really nice, but I want to know more about his joints and how he compares to VOTC, 500th and Evo. Does any of the helmet come off?

I'm seeing it all over Veers and the AT-AT driver.

Derlin's hands too. Speaking of which, it's too bad he doesn't have that comlink sculpted into his glove. Somehow, one of the first things I thought of to do with his pointed finger was to have him keying his comlink (http://www.coruscantlibrary.com/images/zipe/luke_tauntaun2.jpg). ;D
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: Jeff on January 13, 2006, 10:52 PM
Well, I lucked into about half the Hoth wave and opened a few up tonight:

Snowtrooper - not the SA version we were all hoping for, but at least it's "kinda" new hwat with it being a kitbash and all.  Looks pretty good for what it is - a nice neutral pose trooper.

Derlin - Great Rebel Trooper figure.  The legs on mine are a little wonky, so the stick out kinda funny and doesn't look good on his stand (one foot is off the ground when he's on his stand).  Other than that, he's OK for what he is.  Decent articulation in the arms, woulda like more in the legs though.

Vader - being as he is the same as the 500th Vader, I didn't open him.  I did manage to find one of each variation (standing and Saber Drawn), so that was a bonus.

AT-AT Driver - Wow.  Just, wow.  He is such a fan-freakin-tastic figure.  Great articulation, great straps, great figure.  I love the way his helmet has the tubes attached to the box, yet still have free movement - amazing.  This guy is most definitely the jewel of the wave in my opinion.   :)

Now I just have to find R2-D2, Veers, Gonk, Reeikan...
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: CHEWIE on January 14, 2006, 02:15 AM
The Vader seems to be a 100% rehash of the 500th Vader.

Glad you like these new figures Jeff, I agree with you on your assessments.

Best figure of the wave though, and potentially of the basic 2006 figure line, might be the AT-AT driver.

 :P
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: Darth_Anton on January 14, 2006, 12:54 PM
Now that I've gotten the Hoth wave, I have to say that I think the AT-AT driver is the best figure by far! Simply great.

Veers and Derlin are my next favorates. Veers gets some negative points for the lack of the back plate, and Derlin for the tiny blaster which isn't even made for his hand.

The Power Droid is great for what I would call a kit bash, and I think the accessories give R2 and edge of the other straight repacks, Vader and Reekin.

I rank the snowtrooper at the bottom, there's just no reason to use POTF2 parts anymore, and he's yet another officer.
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: darkksith on January 14, 2006, 10:14 PM
so is it confirmed that vader is a 100% straight re-pack? no subtle paint app differences or anything else? from some of the previous posts this seems to be the case. what abot the reeken and R-2 figures. any paint app differences on either of those? how about the accesories that come with R-2. are they any different paint-wise than when they were packed in with the luke x-wing vehicle a couple years ago? just wondering because all my older stuff is packed away right mow. thanks.
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: exjedi on January 14, 2006, 10:24 PM
so is it confirmed that vader is a 100% straight re-pack? no subtle paint app differences or anything else? from some of the previous posts this seems to be the case. what abot the reeken and R-2 figures. any paint app differences on either of those? how about the accesories that come with R-2. are they any different paint-wise than when they were packed in with the luke x-wing vehicle a couple years ago? just wondering because all my older stuff is packed away right mow. thanks.

I didn't open Vader, but it appears the cape is different, or at least it looks different, it is real tight around his neck, looks like a choker, other than that, looks like a repack to me.  Rieekan is the exact same one as was in the Deluxe pack, that's why I left him hanging on the pegs, they could of at least put his head on the Derlin Body.  The R2 is the VOTC R2 with some tan wash, pack-ins are the same that came with the X-wing except all grey. 

Since Hasbro re-packed a VOTC R2 for us, for a 4 bucks less, I am kind of hoping they decide to give us a few more VOTC figures repacked, like the Stormtrooper...but I am not holding my breath on that one...
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: SilverZ on January 14, 2006, 11:56 PM
Unfortunately there are subtle paint detail differences in Vader and Rieekan. I passed on openers of these two this morning and wonder if it was a mistake for completeness sake.

Vader's shoulder armour uses a much darker grey color instead of the loud silver from the 500th release. I can't tell for sure if the cape is actually different but it looked tightly connected to my eyes as well.

Rieeken is odd. There are no changes but the colors of the paint are definitely different. The shoulder brown is darker on the new one, and the fleshtone of the head plastic is lighter. The glove paint is also more tan than the Deluxe version.

All very pointless, but it means I need to pick them up if I want to take loose pictures of these guys. They're not the same as the earlier releases, technically. Plus, since the stands all are labeled specifically for the character, technically a loose collection wouldn't be complete without opening up these repacks... Colman and I are screwed. :)

I put up some shots of the figures in this wave here in the Image Database TSC section (http://www.jedidefender.com/gallery/imageFolio.cgi?direct=Collectibles/Modern/The_Saga_Collection/Basic_Figures) .
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: TheBlackDog65 on January 15, 2006, 12:43 PM
My Vader's cape is loose, very similiar to the 500th Vader. I agree on the grey/silver issue. I passed on the deluxe Reiken because of price for a figure that should have been a carded release to begin with (IMO), so I have him. I do agree, I like having the name on the base but I did pass on figures like the Snowtrooper because I have no need for this one. If I want an officer, I can paint an extra Saga Snowtrooper. Bad figure, might be the worse release so far in the line (IMO).
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: exjedi on January 15, 2006, 08:49 PM
I do agree, I like having the name on the base but I did pass on figures like the Snowtrooper because I have no need for this one. If I want an officer, I can paint an extra Saga Snowtrooper. Bad figure, might be the worse release so far in the line (IMO).

This Snowtrooper is a pretty weak attempt by Hasbro, combining 2 average figures into 1 that still sucks.  I am still holding out hope for a VOTC style Snowtrooper and Royal Guard.
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: Ithorian Clergy on January 15, 2006, 09:31 PM
I do agree, I like having the name on the base but I did pass on figures like the Snowtrooper because I have no need for this one. If I want an officer, I can paint an extra Saga Snowtrooper. Bad figure, might be the worse release so far in the line (IMO).

This Snowtrooper is a pretty weak attempt by Hasbro, combining 2 average figures into 1 that still sucks.  I am still holding out hope for a VOTC style Snowtrooper and Royal Guard.

Yeah I'm not going to go too crazy army building this one because there is a VOTC snowie rumored to be on the horizon.  But had Hasbro just made the arms articulated at the wrist and elbow, this one would be fine.
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: Darth_Anton on January 16, 2006, 12:27 PM


Yeah I'm not going to go too crazy army building this one because there is a VOTC snowie rumored to be on the horizon. 

Really? I've not heard that one yet. :)
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: hansolo_506 on January 16, 2006, 05:42 PM
JED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
(http://www.jedidefender.com/gallery/files/gallery/Collectibles/Modern/The_Saga_Collection/Basic_Figures/008_Major_Bren_Derlin/tsc_08_z.jpg)

HEHEHEHEHEHEEH... I think we have all pictured this since the first pics of Clif..er..Bren started appearing.

How's life treatin' you, Mr. Porkins?
Alright, I guess, Woody.. just seems like I keep getting shot down all the time.
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: CorranHorn on January 16, 2006, 07:29 PM
LOL! That was some great stuff han!

I just picked up Major Derlin and General Veers and I'm overall happy with the figures, although not happy at the $6.99 Target price. :( I was ecstatic to see that both figures have working holsters and that the detail is well done. While I am always for more articulation, these figures aren't hurt by the lack of ball joints. I am a bit disappointed though in the head of Veers, it looks like a younger version of the General (would make for good generic imperial customs though) and the hat makes it really hard for the helmet to go on just right. Nonetheless, these were two solid pickups for my first foray into the TSC line.
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: Reid on January 18, 2006, 06:07 PM
Still haven't found this wave.  :-[ It's the Tarkin wave all over again.  :-[
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: CHEWIE on January 18, 2006, 06:53 PM
Still haven't found this wave.  :-[ It's the Tarkin wave all over again.  :-[

I guess you gotta be really persistent... I did see them today at Target (no AT-AT drivers though).  Gotta spend way too much time on toy runs maybe, or order online.

 :P
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: speedermike on January 18, 2006, 08:03 PM
C'mon, these have barely hit.  If you can't find them in three months, then start complaining.  I've been collecting since 1995, and I have seen every carded figure hasbro has every released (except 2) on the pegs.  I may have only seen a figure once, or a year after it initially came out, but I did find them.
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: Famine on January 18, 2006, 08:16 PM
C'mon, these have barely hit.  If you can't find them in three months, then start complaining.  I've been collecting since 1995, and I have seen every carded figure hasbro has every released (except 2) on the pegs.  I may have only seen a figure once, or a year after it initially came out, but I did find them.

That doesn't mean everyone else does.

Kevin
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: Morgbug on January 18, 2006, 08:47 PM
C'mon, these have barely hit.  If you can't find them in three months, then start complaining.  I've been collecting since 1995, and I have seen every carded figure hasbro has every released (except 2) on the pegs.  I may have only seen a figure once, or a year after it initially came out, but I did find them.

That doesn't mean everyone else does.

Kevin

No, that's true, but really, online etailers don't even have these for shipping yet.  It might be a tad early to worry about them.  Besides, they're at the start of the shipment rather than at the end (eg. last 12 from ROTS) so they won't be tough.  Patience.
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: Clone Commander on January 18, 2006, 11:19 PM
Damn it...
I havent even seen a hoth wave in stores anywhere across the city.
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: Jesse James on January 19, 2006, 01:06 AM
I really think speedermike's in the vast miniority to have seen that many figures from the line.  :)  I know I haven't.  There's a LOT I never saw.

However I agree with him, it's too early to panic.  They showed what, last week?  So they're gonna ship.  Carkoon wills hip too I figure.  I just saw my first multiple Carkoon Wave this week, so I'm sure these just need some time...  I feel behind though, so I know that antsy feeling.  I need to finish my Carkoon needs, and then I gotta get everything from Hoth, so yeah I'm behind too.

Patience...  It's key.  However, the final 12 proved to be a real "you miss 'em, you lose".  That sucked.  Hasbro screwed the pooch with the last ROTS figures, BIGTIME.  People being gunshy and worried about finding stuff has some basis too.
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: Daigo-Bah on January 19, 2006, 01:07 AM
Found this wave yesterday, and wow... this is the wave I've been wanting for years!  Derlin is my favorite, follwed by the AT-AT driver.  Veers is close, but what bothers me about him is not the lack of back armor, and his face sculpt I think is fantastic (even if it doesn't look exactly like the actor, it's still well done), but rather he towers over Ozzel, his uniform is  more grey than Ozzel, and has less uniform detail than Ozzel.  Not to compare too much, it's just that I have them standing next to each other in a Star Destroyer bridge scene, and they don't mesh as well as I'd thought.
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: Jesse James on January 19, 2006, 01:15 AM
Those were reasons I liked Veers more than Ozzel (just by pics, I don't own him yet).  The uniform on Ozzel was too textured (less is more), and a smoother sculpt ala the Motti figure looks more real, and those uniforms were more a German field grey than that weird color of Ozzel's outfit, or the Tarkin figure's outfit...  Hasbro's got the weirdest color mishmashes going for their Impy Officers though right now.  Not a one matches.
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: Ryan on January 19, 2006, 02:15 AM
Those were reasons I liked Veers more than Ozzel (just by pics, I don't own him yet).  The uniform on Ozzel was too textured (less is more), and a smoother sculpt ala the Motti figure looks more real, and those uniforms were more a German field grey than that weird color of Ozzel's outfit, or the Tarkin figure's outfit...  Hasbro's got the weirdest color mishmashes going for their Impy Officers though right now.  Not a one matches.

I've got to disagree with you on the texture thing Jesse. I actually like the texture that is on Ozzel. Or maybe it isn't so much the sculpt so much as it is the paint. I just bought a Veersa the other night, while it is a great figure, it isn't perfect. The helmet on mine was squished, with a bit of bending I was able to reshape it though. I'm not really a big fan of the paint though. It has no depth at all, it looks so, plastic like. I wish he would have gotten color somewhere between Ozzel's and what he's got now, and had a nice wash to make it look more realistic.
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: Jesse James on January 19, 2006, 02:29 AM
Oh I don't like the Veers figure a whole lot overall, I just liked the smoother sculpt and color on him.  I don't really like the figure overall though.

My beefs are:

-No knee joints (bummer, and it'd be nice to get ONE good poseable imperial officer at some point)
-No back armor piece...  I've seen better customs of that removable armor.  If it's done for you already, just copy what some customizer did and do it right ya know?
-No removable hat?  That's just lazy on Hasbro's part.  Make the hat removable, and you have a better figure I think, and it'd have made me buy many for customizing. 

As it stands I'll perhaps get two.  This figure just isn't good enough for me to justify army building or buying for customs fodder though, so however many I would have bought has gone out the window.  It's now two at most, maybe just one.  I'll make a better one some day.  The artriculation and hat really killed it for me.  I was really amped to get him, but now Derlin and the AT-AT Driver are just more appealing.  Hell I'd rather get the gonk at this point.  Veers really just became a let down.

I do think he's a better base Imperial Officer body than Ozzel though.  Ozzel's good, but the texture is too much, and the color is nowhere near correct.
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: speedermike on January 19, 2006, 09:18 AM
Hey guys, I didn't mean to sound preachy.  Sorry if I came off that way.  I just want everyone to take deep breath before worrying about finding figures that have only been out for about two weeks. Patience is one of the key traits in collecting. 

Anyway, I was thinking about my statement about having found almost everything at retail.  Thinking back, the carziest finds were never at big box stores.  I found all of the EU figures at a drugstore.  I found the DST/Reeyees wave at a mom and pop toy shop in a crappy neighborhood in Brooklyn, and I found the TC-14 wave at another mom and pop shop.
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: Nirvana on January 19, 2006, 09:21 AM
I wish I could find these.....I found Wave 1 at K-Mart, but that's the only SAGA2 sighting I've seen. Really frustrating. >:(
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: Brian on January 19, 2006, 09:54 AM
I was fortunate enough to find most of this wave last week, but its been nothing but bare pegs at all the stores in town since then.  I was just posting in the "finds" thread that it seems like the waves so far this year (and the final 12 from last year) really were "blink and you miss them" type of things.  I'm guessing we'll start seeing more of the TSC waves, since we're just starting out here, but I know the market here could definitely handle more figures on the pegs.  They seem to sell through totally in a day or less, repacks included, so the demand is obviously there.  Hopefully we'll see more significant stocking in the months ahead.
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: LandotheScoundrel on January 19, 2006, 10:07 AM
Hey guys, I didn't mean to sound preachy.  Sorry if I came off that way.  I just want everyone to take deep breath before worrying about finding figures that have only been out for about two weeks. Patience is one of the key traits in collecting. 

Anyway, I was thinking about my statement about having found almost everything at retail.  Thinking back, the carziest finds were never at big box stores.  I found all of the EU figures at a drugstore.  I found the DST/Reeyees wave at a mom and pop toy shop in a crappy neighborhood in Brooklyn, and I found the TC-14 wave at another mom and pop shop.

You also have an incredible amount of collecting karma, Mike!  ;D

I'm not worried about finding these. I think Hasbro is really going to push this line. I just hope those terrible Star Wars Transformers don't clog up the works, followed closely by those lame choppers.
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: jedipurge on January 19, 2006, 04:29 PM
while i here what you're saying jesse, i gotta have me imperial officers.  I have 4 veer's's'ss, spelling!?!?!? :-\, i liked the texture on Ozzel/Tarkin, and while they really don't seem to match up with their movie counterparts as far as the uniform coloring goes i just kind of chalk that up to different officer rank have different color uniform's.  also while a removable hat would be great everybody know that hasblow would do a halfa$$ed job at it and would wind up sucking so badly it would be warming the pegs.  now a good option would just to pack in 2 different heads 1 with hat 1 w/out hat.  also a lot of people have been saying that most of these were left overs from the OTC era so i guess i can forgive the lack of articu.  These being left overs would also explain the speed at which these seem to be coming out in some areas.
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: ruiner on January 19, 2006, 04:51 PM
I have 4 veer's's'ss,

"I have four Veers'...."

Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: jedipurge on January 19, 2006, 06:32 PM
Thanx.  ;D
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: Morgbug on January 19, 2006, 09:47 PM
  However, the final 12 proved to be a real "you miss 'em, you lose".  That sucked.  Hasbro screwed the pooch with the last ROTS figures, BIGTIME.  People being gunshy and worried about finding stuff has some basis too.

Last wave syndrome.  It may not be quite as familiar down south as it is up here, but when a line is ending, I genuinely panic.  I was fortunate enough this time to end up with the last 12 thanks to Jeff, so I really lucked out thanks to his hard work, but I treated it the same as I did the last figures in TPM - they'd be tough as something else starts getting lined up. 

But this early in the year, this early into a new line (TSC) I'm not even remotely worried.  I won't go so far as to say that every figure will peg warm, particulary given the post-Christmas retail blahs, but I'm not overly worried at this point.  If etailers had them, had shipped them and were out and I hadn't found them yet then yeah, I'd be crapping my drawers.  Too soon for that.
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: Paul on January 19, 2006, 09:51 PM
The At At driver could have been better with Ball Joint Elbows, but I think the combo of Ball Jointed Shoulders and slash elbows is almost tolerable....

Derlin would be over the top with some Super Articulation, but Articulation is not his biggest flaw it is that micro-machine sized blaster pistol they stuck him with...

And now to Veers...I think he is a good one shot, but I don't plan to Army Build him. His holster makes him a one hit wonder.  I also wish he had more Articulation.

Gonk Rocks for a repack.

I bought a snowtrooper and I regret it now...especially since it will give Hasbro the wrong impression that they can re-pack  no articulation Army Builders and get away with it.  I'd burn it in protest, but Texas has a burn ban right now.

I passed on Vader and Reikkien.

I will be getting 6 At-At Drivers total. And perhaps one more Derlin.

Oh and don't take this as negative....a bad OT figure is a relief over the PT stuff I had to suffer through last year.
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: Jesse James on January 20, 2006, 05:44 AM
I'd generally agree Brent, however the "final 12" were shipping for MONTHS supposedly, it's just that Hasbro + monkeys running retail didn't order NEAR enough for the holiday season.

Just from my own experiences, retail was dead the day after Thanksgiving down here.  I went out Black Friday, and K-Mart was the only store that had anything substantial on the pegs.  They were cleaned out that same day due to a bogo sale putting figures at $3.50 each basically.  They had final 12 at most stores if you got out early enough, so that was cool, but I went out and then hit other retailers...  That same day I noticed that 2 Targets and a few Wal-Mart stores had few or NO figures on the pegs.  I thought there'd be restock since there was basically a month leading to the holidays, but no luck.  Retail just didn't order ****.

Hasbro either didn't produce nearly enough, or retail didn't order **** grossly misjudiging demand, or a combination of the two things.

If the final wave didn't come out till like December then I'd think they fell prey to final wave syndrome, but man there were MONTHS of those things supposedly shipping but they just never shipped heavily at all.  I found Cat Miin and Passel like in October or earlier, but even then there wasn't a lot on the pegs.  They were never full at most retailers.

Very weird this year...  And we went a long time with literally nothing on the pegs at a lot of stores.  Even now, I see (at most) 8 figures.  I saw 8 tonight of Carkoon Wave new figures...  That's it.  Someone's droppin' the ball right now...  Not to mention that, ******* up the holidays as they did, undoubtebly cost them "long-term" collectors.  I'm sure kids who didn't get anyting X-Mas morning gladly moved onto other toys more quickly than they would have if Hasbro had actually had **** out there.
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: Xander on January 20, 2006, 08:10 AM
If the final wave didn't come out till like December then I'd think they fell prey to final wave syndrome, but man there were MONTHS of those things supposedly shipping but they just never shipped heavily at all.  I found Cat Miin and Passel like in October or earlier, but even then there wasn't a lot on the pegs.  They were never full at most retailers.

I always see it as the final wave syndrome too.  It may not be a question of timing, a la Hasbro shipping out the last wave by a deadline, but it could just be a production thing. As in, the factory could be pounding out the last wave by a deadline, and just producing less.

This is all speculation on my part, but maybe the production schedule of these figures don't follow the waves precisely. They could be set up for injecting certain molds, painting, etc, then switch, maybe a few figures at a time to the next scheduled figures. Its possible they could backtrack some, i.e., go back and produce a ton more Vaders for shipping those out a case at a time. Once the production schedule winds down, the initial figures could have more production numbers due to backtracking or better scheduling, while the last ones on the schedule are made and that's pretty much it.  Couple that with Hasbro ending certain shipments to warehouses by a deadline, then, we could just be seeing less of the final waves.

Seems like Saga and OTC were the same.  There's so much we don't know about the toy production, so I'm just wondering out loud about it.
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: TheBlackDog65 on January 20, 2006, 12:35 PM
I have a different take on the final 12 and the final in any wave. First, I think it depends on geographic area on how many you find. Some areas seem always able to have product, while others struggle to find product. Second, it depends on one's ability to hunt at the most appropriate time. In October, I found plenty of the final 12. This is because I now teach and I have off track time during the year so I can hunt at opening at Target and hit Walmarts when cases are brought out at night. Thus I found every figure in the final 12 mutiple times, and bought them for either myself, or for other local collectors. That brings me to the third point. Locally here in SLC, we have a forum where we can post our wants or we can PM each other with wants. So, lets say that I found 20 Tactical Ops over a 3 week period, and I helped 6 collectors and myself to those 20 troops (so roughly 3 each) that wiped out 5 cases of the Tactical Ops. Thus anyone who came into that store or stores after me, would never find the final 12. Having said that I guess the fifth is that I know once I had reached the amount I wanted, I quit hunting, though product was still showing up. And I KNOW that other collectors who are not on the local forum or who are not active on our forum, hunt, and find product for themselves and others, which reduce merchandise since they hunt at case time and at opening. The last point is that though we saw and received product here in Utah, it was usually only one or two cases at a time (except for after Thanksgiving; Kmart had em in abudnance the day after, and one Walmart put out 8 cases in one day of just the Tactical Ops with the Jedi repacks). So with limited product out, and people hunting at night and at opening, and with collectors helping other collectors out, and with other hunters out there who are either collecting for themselves or for others as well, the amount of product left for those who do not maximize or cannot maximize the time of the hunt becomes extremely limited, if available at all. Usually only R4 was left by the end of the cases, and those didn't last long either.
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: CHEWIE on January 21, 2006, 06:47 PM
Now that I've got all of the figures from this wave, I have to express how awesome the AT-AT driver is... it might be the best figure we'll get all year in the basic line.  To me, it's VOTC/Evolutions quality.  Simply a kickass figure and has really gotten me excited about the OT army builders again.

For the rest of the wave, good figures on the new ones, the only turd I think is Rieken.  Simply not a good repack choice... instead I would think a Luke or Han would have been a better rehash, or even a new Snowspeeder pilot.  But if that were the case, I think the would needed to have eliminated another figure from the wave, either Vader or R2D2.

 :P
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: Clone Hunter on January 21, 2006, 09:18 PM
Now that I've got all of the figures from this wave, I have to express how awesome the AT-AT driver is... it might be the best figure we'll get all year in the basic line.  To me, it's VOTC/Evolutions quality.  Simply a kickass figure and has really gotten me excited about the OT army builders again.

For the rest of the wave, good figures on the new ones, the only turd I think is Rieken.  Simply not a good repack choice... instead I would think a Luke or Han would have been a better rehash, or even a new Snowspeeder pilot.  But if that were the case, I think the would needed to have eliminated another figure from the wave, either Vader or R2D2.

 :P

No way. This is the best R2 that I have ever seen, especially with the goodies he comes with. Definitely sub on Vader. After ROTS, I am all Vader'd out.
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: CHEWIE on January 21, 2006, 10:30 PM
Well, that's why I said Vader or R2D2.   ;)

The R2 is a very nice figure, but I personally like the SAGA Sail Barge version better.  These accessories are really nice too, but they're not actually new ones, due to them already being packed in with the SAGA Dagobah X-Wing.  Just repainted.  Great figure though, I agree.

 :P
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: Daigo-Bah on January 21, 2006, 10:35 PM
With a little time spent with Veers, I have to rescind some of my minor disappointment.  He really is rather versatile after all, but I do think he looks best with armor on.  I didn't realize however that his boots are articulated and can be swivelled outwards; makes his standing poses look better.  I'd have liked a little more effort to coordinate Veers and Ozzel color, uniform detail, and size, but they do look good standing together despite the differences.
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: CHEWIE on January 21, 2006, 10:54 PM
I think it's a prety good figure too.  I just am a bit dismayed at the color/uniform detail differences we are still getting with the Imperial officers (Veers/Ozzel/ROTS Tarkin).  I guess that's why we customize.   ;)

 :P
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: Clone Hunter on January 21, 2006, 11:54 PM
I think it's a prety good figure too.  I just am a bit dismayed at the color/uniform detail differences we are still getting with the Imperial officers (Veers/Ozzel/ROTS Tarkin).  I guess that's why we customize.   ;)

 :P

I am new to SW collecting. I apologize about not knowing about the X-wing repack parts.

Also, are Ozzel and Tarkins colors close? It could be the difference between Imperial Army and Imperial Navy? Veers and the AT-ST drivers all use grey uniforms, while it seems all command Navy use olive drab. Kinda a reversal of reality? Something to ponder....
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: CHEWIE on January 22, 2006, 12:12 AM
There's no reason at all to apologize for anything.   ;)

I think you are onto something about the color of the uniforms. I'd have to watch the DVD's again to really get a better mental picture, but from the figures, my Tarkins are more of a darker brownish tint.

 :P
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: Ook on January 22, 2006, 05:12 PM
I had no idea these Artoo accessories were previously released. But it makes perfect sense that they came with a Dagobah product. That's the first thing I thought of when I saw them, that they looked like Luke's camp supplies. I immediately stuck them next to OTC Dagobah Luke and Yoda. They're the only reason I got suckered into this Artoo fig. AOTC Threepio's trunk looks great as a Dagobah accessories, too.
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: Jesse James on January 23, 2006, 01:48 AM
Imperial uniform colors varied some by the films, but in general the Tarkin outfit was a LOT greyer than the films will lead you to believe (having seen recent photos of it), and the ESB Imperial officer uniforms aren't too different in color from Tarkin's or Motti's in ANH.  Ozzel and Veers should match perfectly (as should Piett) however none of the 3 seem to.  Veers is the closest to perfect that I've seen...  Motti's not too bad.

All the other Imperial Officers are off to some degree.  Ozzel's the worst of the lot in uniform color.
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: Matt on January 24, 2006, 11:19 PM
Just caught this at RS:

Different Imperial Officers (http://www.rebelscum.com/photo.asp?image=/TSC/TSC007veerscomp2.jpg&text=Grand%20Moff%20Tarkin%20|%20Capain%20Piett%20|%20Admiral%20Motti%20|%20Admiral%20Ozzel%20|%20Tarkin%20|%20General%20Veers)

Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: Reid on January 27, 2006, 05:53 PM
I finally saw this wave today, but only the remnants of it: two Derlins. Still, it's nice to know it's hit my area, and the figures I want out of this wave (Veers and Droid 2-Pack) should be easier to find once this wave ships a couple more times.
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: speedermike on January 27, 2006, 08:33 PM
About the Imperial uniform colors...I wouldn't put ROTS Tarkin in the same catagory.  Story wise, he appears 20 years before ANH.  If the Empire changed the color of the uniforms over that time, I wouldn't be surprised.
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: TheBlackDog65 on January 27, 2006, 08:55 PM
This wave has hit Targets here in the greater SLC area 3 x now, and they have now hit Walmarts 2x as of today. Should mean more people are being able to get figures.
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: SpudTrooper on January 27, 2006, 08:58 PM
i've only seen one Vader and R2-D2 so far and tons of Veers and AT-AT Drivers  ::)
how come people display no love for Veers? 
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: CHEWIE on January 27, 2006, 09:40 PM
I like Veers - a lot!

 :P
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: Jeff on January 27, 2006, 10:12 PM
i've only seen one Vader and R2-D2 so far and tons of Veers and AT-AT Drivers  ::)
how come people display no love for Veers? 

Because Veers is 2x per case and Vader and R2-D2 are only 1x per case at the moment.

When I find Hoth remnants at the local stores, it's usually only the Human Dudes - Veers, Derlin, Rieekan - because:

- Gonk and R2 are being gobbled up because they are 1x per case and selling well on eBay.
- Vader is being gobbled up because he's got two different versions shipping (standing and saber out)
- AT-AT Driver and Snowtroopers are being gobbled up by the army builders

As a result, the Human Dudes seem to hang around the longest.
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: Reid on January 28, 2006, 09:12 AM
About the Imperial uniform colors...I wouldn't put ROTS Tarkin in the same catagory.  Story wise, he appears 20 years before ANH.  If the Empire changed the color of the uniforms over that time, I wouldn't be surprised.

But if you look at the actual scene in ROTS, it's the same as the OT uniform color.
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: Jesse James on January 30, 2006, 04:13 AM
The Gonk, in my estimation, is the hottest of the wave too....  I think his partially new status and as Jeff said his being 1 to a case, both have a lot to do with this.  I have yet to get one though I've now seen Hoth wave in abundance a couple times.  Saw lots of R2 and Vader even, but no Gonk...  :( 

Hasbro hopefully plans to get some of this stuff out there in better numbers for a while longer because I gotta find Fetts for the kiddies and I'll be damned if I ever saw him.  Carkoon Wave's still showing though so I'm hopeful.
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: Darby on January 30, 2006, 04:48 AM
I skipped the Gonk when I first found him, and now I kind of wish I hadn't.  Oh, well.  If I see him again, I'll grab him. 
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: Jesse James on January 30, 2006, 05:38 AM
He's a cool one to me...  Get a treadwell too, that's nice.  I thought he was, for all intents and purposes, as good as the AT-AT Driver overall.  Not a new sculpt totally, but good nonetheless, great Hoth filler, and the fact you get Treadwell (albeit again), made it a lot better in my eyes.  That's value for the price to me... 

To me, the gonk sets an example of maximizing what you get for what you pay...  You get the retooled droid, which looks fantastic, plus you get its little attachments to make it unique and even perhaps worth buying twice...  Plus you get the Treadwell which could have been painted something different but that's minor.

The AT-AT Driver sorta fits this bill to me too...  You obviously don't get as much extra stuff but you get a good overall figure...  Unfortunately I don't think all the figures in the wave maximized their utility, so to speak. 
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: Brian on January 30, 2006, 10:10 AM
I saw remnants of the Hoth wave at both WM and Target this weekend, and in both cases it was just Derlin and Veers.  Those seem to be the ones hanging around the longest here.  Still no sign of R2 or Vader, and I haven't seen the AT-AT Driver or Gonk since the first time this wave showed up either.  I think Derlin and Veers are both good figures, so its too bad they are hitting, but maybe they just don't have as broad of appeal to non-collectors.  I hope this wave continues to ship for awhile as well, need to get some more figures out there, at least in this area.  Haven't seen any part of the Carkoon wave for a few weeks now.
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: Reid on January 30, 2006, 11:14 AM
I saw remnants of the Hoth wave at both WM and Target this weekend, and in both cases it was just Veers.  Those seem to be the ones hanging around the longest here. 

YES!
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: CHEWIE on January 30, 2006, 02:42 PM
Wow, I love the Veers figure... excellent custom fodder.   Send your loose Veers figures my way!  :)

(http://chewie34.250free.com/012906Admirals.jpg)

 :P
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: Clone Hunter on January 30, 2006, 09:49 PM
I saw a bunch of what seems to be fresh Carkoon cases at two different walmarts.

At a third, was 2x Riekians and a lone Barada. I picked up a reikian, cuz I needed him. But damn, I still need a Veers. I hate starting to be a completist.

I agree. I may buy a few Veers to use as Imperial officers.
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: Daigo-Bah on January 30, 2006, 10:43 PM
Chewie's right- Veers is great custom fodder of all sorts.

(http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid200/pc5be40f29b337764425ac3dbfb132387/f066959a.jpg)
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: Ithorian Clergy on January 31, 2006, 04:49 AM
But damn, I still need a Veers. I hate starting to be a completist.

He's a "must" for even the non-completists among us, I'm afraid.  However, not being a completist allowed me to pass on that 40th rendition of Darth Vader in that wave.

 :P
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: Darth_Anton on January 31, 2006, 09:49 AM
Chewie's right- Veers is great custom fodder of all sorts.

(http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid200/pc5be40f29b337764425ac3dbfb132387/f066959a.jpg)

Is the neck articulated?
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: Diddly on January 31, 2006, 03:05 PM
I keep missing this wave. I read reports, but only find the old Carkoon figures (minus Boba and Chewie). I want Veers, Derlin and that AT-AT Pilot!
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: Brian on January 31, 2006, 03:30 PM
I noticed that Yakface has a story up showing that the Hoth wave is now in stock over at Amazon, but for $8.99 each!  Yikes.
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: Ithorian Clergy on January 31, 2006, 03:35 PM
I noticed that Yakface has a story up showing that the Hoth wave is now in stock over at Amazon, but for $8.99 each!  Yikes.

Ew, yuck.  That's over $10 each shipped, depending how many or few you buy.  I think the only figure I'd resort to Amazon for in this wave, and actually in Carkoon and Hoth combined, is General Veers.  I might have had to stoop to this for the AT AT driver as well.  And that's only after an exhaustive search of retail stores.

Luckily, the retail situation has been slightly better.
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: Jesse James on January 31, 2006, 11:55 PM
I'm really hoping retail breaks soon too.  WM is holding its own but I fear a back-up there at some point, and Target usually doesn't order QUITE as much but they'll maybe be the last resort to find anything at some point.

I got a Gonk today, and I'm quite pleased with this figure.  You get two, and the Treadwell looks to have seen better days and does look different than Luke's Treadwell so I think it was nice of Hasbro to mixt hat up some. 

The Gonk is sweet though.  A nice reworking of the mold to give us a basically new figure but with distinctly different looks... 

And I say again, remember to keep those clear rubber bands that hold weapons in hands.  I use them to keep my Gonk's legs straight so he stands normal.  Love this figure though, and he's as good as the AT-AT Driver overall IMO.  Then Derlin, then Veers...  A better wave than Carkoon but not by a whole lot I'm afraid.
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: Dan on February 6, 2006, 09:47 AM
Maybe it's the AT-AT sucker in me, but I think this Hoth wave is one of the best groups of movie and planet specific figures put out in the modern line. Take away general John Kerry, and you have 2 new and improved army builders, 1 imperial officer with armor, a brand new rebel officer, a cool droid two pack, and the obligatory vader and R2. I returned my carkoon wave, and picked up 2 more at-at drivers, an extra snowtrooper, an extra veers, and an extra droid pack. Despite my new years resolution against keeping carded figures, the Hoth wave will be an exception.  ;D
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: Diddly on February 6, 2006, 03:26 PM
Still haven't seen it, I think it's already dried up around here.
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: Reid on February 6, 2006, 03:34 PM
Still haven't seen it, I think it's already dried up around here.

Hang in there. I thought I'd never see the Hoth wave, but a week later I walk out of Target with General Veers in hand.
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: Brian on February 8, 2006, 04:06 PM
Stopped by Target today, not really looking for anything in particular but I was in the area.  They have had the pegs pretty full with the Hoth wave for a couple weeks now, but its just three figures that are there: Derlin, Veers, and Rieekan.  I guess they might be headed for pegwarming, but its still early.  Its too bad, because I think Veers and Derlin...although they could use some knee joints....are pretty good figures.  I guess once the "collectors" have them, maybe that's all they sell to.  Maybe its Target's $6.99 pricepoint, because our Wal-Mart doesn't seem to have this problem nearly as bad.  Like I said, its still early, but I was a little surprised to see so many on the pegs there still today.
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: CHEWIE on February 8, 2006, 04:49 PM
Yeah, Veers is a pretty good figure... I think people who didn't army build it later might regret it.  I remember when the OTC AT-ST Han was everywhere, people questioned why anyone would want more than one of them... heh heh... it's called a head swap - do it and you can make several versions of the AT-ST driver... same for an AT-AT commander too or other Imperials.  Just fun to keep expanding those armies.

(http://chewie34.250free.com/012906Admirals.jpg)

 :P
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: Dan on February 12, 2006, 09:32 AM
Those are some nice looking imperial customs!

The way these waves are flying in, I'm hoping to score a couple more Hoth army builders before they are on to geonosis!
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: Reid on February 12, 2006, 11:03 AM
And I say again, remember to keep those clear rubber bands that hold weapons in hands.  I use them to keep my Gonk's legs straight so he stands normal. 

My Gonk didn't even come with the rubber bands on his feet.
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: Rob on February 12, 2006, 01:16 PM
None of them do - and neither did the Commtech Chip one way back when.

But the Rubberband trick is pure genius, I did it yesterday to both of the Gonks on my shelves and it workedl ike a charm.  I can finally flip the Jabba's palace one right-side-up.
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: speedermike on February 12, 2006, 02:01 PM
I just found this entire wave in good numbers on Friday afternoon at a TRU.  It's Sunday as I write this. 
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: Jayson on February 14, 2006, 09:13 AM
While taking photos of the Hoth Wave R2, I noticed that the lid for trunk accessory, attaches to the bottom of it, locking them together.

(http://www.yakface.com/TGuide2004/ActionFigures/tsc/010/lf13sm.jpg)(http://www.yakface.com/TGuide2004/ActionFigures/tsc/010/lf14sm.jpg)(http://www.yakface.com/TGuide2004/ActionFigures/tsc/010/lf15sm.jpg)

Neat.
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: Ook on February 14, 2006, 09:20 AM
While taking photos of the Hoth Wave R2, I noticed that the lid for trunk accessory, attaches to the bottom of it, locking them together.

(http://www.yakface.com/TGuide2004/ActionFigures/tsc/010/lf14.jpg)
(http://www.yakface.com/TGuide2004/ActionFigures/tsc/010/lf15.jpg)

Neat.

I'll be damned, I missed that.
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: Darth_Anton on February 14, 2006, 09:26 AM
I never knew that either. You got love discovering something new about an item after you've had it a while.
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: Jayson on February 14, 2006, 09:39 AM
I wish they would have made the lantern small enough to fit inside the trunk though.

Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: Ook on February 14, 2006, 09:43 AM
I wish they would have made the lantern small enough to fit inside the trunk though.



I've been using AOTC Threepio's trunk for Dagobah Luke. ;D
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: Jeff on February 16, 2006, 04:06 PM
For Anyone who doesn't want to wait for the TRU Sale this weekend, get started now at Amazon!  The Hoth Wave has been lowered to just $5 each!

Power Droid (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B000B6533C/wwwjedidefend-20/)
AT-AT Driver (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B000B5MUZM/wwwjedidefend-20/)
Snowtrooper (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B000B5MV0G/wwwjedidefend-20/)
R2-D2 (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B000B5MUZW/wwwjedidefend-20/)
Gen. Veers (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B000B5MUZ2/wwwjedidefend-20/)
Maj. Derlin (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B000B5MUZC/wwwjedidefend-20/)
Gen. Rieekan (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B000B5MV1K/wwwjedidefend-20/)

They keep going in and out of stock, so keep trying if you miss out!
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: CHEWIE on February 16, 2006, 04:11 PM
Yeah, around 10am I tried ordering two AT-AT drivers for Jedirhino, and the darn things were already gone.  They were there at first, but during my order they suddenly became unavailable.  Wish I had seen that post last night on Yak.

 :P

 
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: Jeff on February 16, 2006, 04:14 PM
Well, they had the AT-AT Drivers just a while ago when I started that post - about 10min before 3pm.

Maybe they are going in and out of stock?  Might not hurt to watch the links and check in every once in a while over the next few days...
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: CHEWIE on February 16, 2006, 04:16 PM
Darn, so they had them back in stock again.  I guess I'll check back again a bit later.   ;)

 :P
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: Diddly on February 16, 2006, 05:32 PM
Heh, I reported this last night, in the Sales/Price Hikes thread. (http://www.jedidefender.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=11256.msg201805#msg201805) I picked up Veers, Derlin, Power Droid, and an AT-AT Pilot. I still need to get another AT-AT Pilot and an R2-D2, but I'm pretty much done getting the "necessary" Hoth figures.
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: Ryan on February 16, 2006, 07:43 PM
I just picked up 3 AT-AT drivers, they are back in stock at Amazon. :)
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: speedermike on February 16, 2006, 08:21 PM
Just curious...is anyone else sick of  figures without waist joints?  The AT-AT driver is fantastic, but his poses are  really  limited without the ability to twist.
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: Jeff on February 16, 2006, 08:33 PM
I just picked up 3 AT-AT drivers, they are back in stock at Amazon. :)

Yep, they are all back in stock... for now anyway!

Power Droid (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B000B6533C/wwwjedidefend-20/)
AT-AT Driver (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B000B5MUZM/wwwjedidefend-20/)
Snowtrooper (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B000B5MV0G/wwwjedidefend-20/)
R2-D2 (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B000B5MUZW/wwwjedidefend-20/)
Gen. Veers (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B000B5MUZ2/wwwjedidefend-20/)
Maj. Derlin (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B000B5MUZC/wwwjedidefend-20/)
Gen. Rieekan (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B000B5MV1K/wwwjedidefend-20/)
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: Ryan on February 16, 2006, 10:56 PM
The gonk appears to be gone again already.
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: Nathan on February 17, 2006, 12:58 AM
So far I have Veers and Gonk, which were the only two "necessaries" from this wave. I may get Rieekan and Derlin if they sit long enough, which they likely will. The AT-AT driver would be nice, but he's a low enough priority that I won't be brokenhearted if I never see him on the pegs; with patience, I'm sure I can get a good price on him eventually, loose/etc.
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: Vator on February 17, 2006, 07:06 AM
7:00 AM...Gonk, Snowtrooper and R2 are in stock.
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: Dan on February 17, 2006, 02:22 PM
I hope the local TRU carry the Hoth wave during the sale- I would like to grab a couple more snowtroopers and AT AT drivers. I have been comparing the AT AT with the OTC Tie Pilot. Hasbro can really do the imperial armed forces proud when they try.
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: Diddly on February 17, 2006, 11:15 PM
Question for anyone who ordered figs from Amazon: are your figures being shipped separately or altogether? I got an email from Amazon saying that my AT-AT Driver would ship first, followed by my Derlin and Veers, followed lastly by my Gonk. Wierd shipping schedule there, but at least I got to order some.
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: Dan on February 25, 2006, 10:19 PM
I didn't order the hoth wave, but I did recently order some figures from them. All 4 came together.

This is the best wave of figures in a long time, if you are an ESB fan. I wish they would have revisited Leia hoth while the opportunity was there.
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: MasterGrievous on February 27, 2006, 11:02 AM
Man,Vader and the Power Droid have been HTF out here.I know Ill find Vader eventually 'cause he's packed in A LOT of future cases....
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: CHEWIE on February 27, 2006, 05:05 PM
Hoth Leia... that is a good choice.  I also wish we had gotten a good Snowspeeder pilot.

 :P
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: Reid on February 27, 2006, 05:08 PM
  I also wish we had gotten a good Snowspeeder pilot.

 :P

Fear not.

(http://www.rebelscum.com/toys2006/VTSCLuke.jpg)
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: Jesse James on February 28, 2006, 02:21 AM
I have found the Hoth Wave a number of times but never in heavy abundance really.  The remnants are starting to get weird now.  For a while I only saw the new figures and few Gonks but now I'm seeing Gonks, Vaders, R2's...  I think they've shipped enough they're burning out a little bit...  Or I just have been lucky.
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: Ryan on February 28, 2006, 02:37 AM
  I also wish we had gotten a good Snowspeeder pilot.

 :P

Fear not.

THe VOTC Luke is in X-Wing gear, there is actually a big difference between the two outfits. The Snowspeeder gear has a much thicker orange flightsuit with a big thick collar and the boots and gloves are grey and look more like the boots on a Hoth Trooper.
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: Jesse James on February 28, 2006, 02:39 AM
Yeah they're actually the same duds but Luke's sporting a heavy Orange flight coat over his jumpsuit, and then all the other gear on top of it, and plus his Hoth booties too.

Given Luke's size I almost hope they do a nice SA version of Luke but also a nice generic height pilot too...  Zev, Dak, Hobbie, WEdge...  Whatever, just so long as they at least do one nicely articulated and average height sculpt of the Snowspeeder pilot.

I wonder how VOTC Luke Pilot is gonna stack up in height to other figures.  Will he be short and thus not as spiffy fodder, or will he be improperly scaled but you may want extras to customize or whatever. 
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: Ryan on February 28, 2006, 02:44 AM
I'm almost hoping for the latter in a way. I've been picking up lots of Dutch Vanders lately, while the sculpt is great, I can't help but be a little disappointed in his funny arm pose and lack of articualtion. I'd really like a nice basic SA Rebel pilot as well. I'm going to pick up a few Lukes for sure, but if he is the correct scale I won't be picking up as many.

Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: Jesse James on February 28, 2006, 03:02 AM
Yeah me too, haha...  I've actually sorta hoped he'd be a bit too tall.  I have tall Luke's all over the place, I can live with it.  A SA X-Winger body with a great average height wouldn't bother me in the slightest.  I'd deal with Luke overacheiving in his verticle ability. :)
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: Darth_Anton on February 28, 2006, 09:31 AM
I may get Rieekan and Derlin if they sit long enough, which they likely will.

They're already lingering around here. You should have no problem waiting.
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: SilverZ on February 28, 2006, 03:49 PM
Derlin is officially pegwarming at my closest Target. The same three have sat on the shelves for the last two weeks, weathering a mass of wave 1 returns during the TRU sale and subsequent wave 3 arrivals. There seems to be limited love for Cliffy, which I'm a bit surprised by. He's a nice figure.
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: Paul on February 28, 2006, 05:04 PM
If they would have given him the OTC version of the rebel blaster I would have cleared out pegs here, but they gave it the woefully undersized one instead.
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: Darth_Anton on March 6, 2006, 10:03 AM
Who's more than a little surprised that Veers is doing a bit of peg warming? It's been talked about, before the actual release, but I'm surprised it has come to pass.
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: Darth Slothus on March 6, 2006, 01:48 PM
The only Hoth figs I have pegwarming is Derlin mostly and followed by Reiken
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: Morgbug on March 10, 2006, 01:36 PM
Remarkably we've seen very little of this wave.  Yet Rieekan, Veers and Derlin are all seriously peg warming already.  It's kind of bizarre, to be honest.  I'd think Veers cool because you can have two versions pretty easily that look reasonably different enough.  Derlin's fine, though you'd only need one, but at least it's another Hoth officer of sorts and a totally new figure.  Rieekan makes sense, no doubt, given we still have deluxe on the pegs here.
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: Dan on March 11, 2006, 07:48 AM
I ran into some of these yesterday, and I had to get another AT-AT driver. The repack waves I have seen listed do not include figures from this wave, except the UGH silver AT-AT driver and the hoth Vader we will all be swimming in by Thanksgiving. Things are always subject to change, but I would suggest grabbing a set if you see them. They are worthy of hanging carded next to the 2004 OTC set.
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: Dan on April 1, 2006, 10:50 AM
I was just looking at R2 again, and noticed that the cardback scene has C-3PO talking to him in the corrdior, but he has been effected out! A cool way to make the figure and the cardback work together- nice touch Hasbro! Now if I could just find these galactic hunt figures without driving my truck in to the ground...
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: Ook on April 1, 2006, 07:01 PM
I was just looking at R2 again, and noticed that the cardback scene has C-3PO talking to him in the corrdior, but he has been effected out! A cool way to make the figure and the cardback work together- nice touch Hasbro! Now if I could just find these galactic hunt figures without driving my truck in to the ground...

Yeah, I enjoyed that little detail, too! ;D
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: ruiner on April 5, 2006, 09:15 AM
OK, I applaud Hasbro for continuing to ship Vader for the kiddies and being that I have multiples from my Coruscant and Hoth cases, I decided to open one of the Vaders for Junior. 

What a mistake that was. 

First of all, the helmet does not stay on, it is pointless.  Secondly, his hands are not designed to hold the lightsaber! 

My son is constantly coming to me to help him put the helmet back on and somehow fit the saber into his hand(s).

If you're going to put a Vader on the pegs for the kiddies, please make sure it has some play value and does not irritate the hell out of the child and parent!

 >:(
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: SilverZ on April 5, 2006, 04:38 PM
If you're going to put a Vader on the pegs for the kiddies, please make sure it has some play value and does not irritate the hell out of the child and parent!

 >:(

Well put. I find it funny that Hasbro constantly harps on the notion that their SW products are intended for children, but when you see their product in action with their supposed intended audience, it's just not kid friendly. Whoops. All they needed to do was repackage the Evo Vader and that would have been avoided. Ugh.
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: Nicklab on December 14, 2006, 05:27 PM
Digging up this oldie but goodie.  I've been seeing more refresh figures from the Battle of Hoth wave recently.  It had been mostly R2-D2, the Power Droid and AT-AT Drivers.  But today I started seeing some more of General Veers with the red hologram.  Strange.  I hadn't seen this figure in a while, and oddly enough with all of the pegwarming Moff Jerjerrods out there, General Veers looks a lot better now.
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: Darth_Anton on December 15, 2006, 12:10 PM
I've noticed the comeback as well. I'm debating on whether or not to pick up some move Veers' for customizing.
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: Oboewan on December 15, 2006, 02:29 PM
I've noticed the comeback as well. I'm debating on whether or not to pick up some move Veers' for customizing.

The Hoth wave has been clogging pegs for months here in the DC area......   I guess now that it's Winter, they figure that reshipping the Hoth wave is appropriate?
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: David on December 15, 2006, 08:42 PM
at target i saw veers today, for the first time since january (seriously). there was one left.
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: Daigo-Bah on December 15, 2006, 11:53 PM
I think Derlin is one of the most underrated figures ever.  I'm shocked at how much he pegwarmed.  I bought 4 of him and headswapped 2 to make a couple of hatless Rebel officers inside the control room.
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: David on December 16, 2006, 12:11 PM
I think Derlin is one of the most underrated figures ever.  I'm shocked at how much he pegwarmed.  I bought 4 of him and headswapped 2 to make a couple of hatless Rebel officers inside the control room.

yeah, he is a pretty good fig. however on the pegs he is gone in my area
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: Artoo on December 17, 2006, 03:11 AM
R2s are gone, but I saw a couple Power Droidsfor the first time, I passed, I didn't have any money on me.....Oops. :-X
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: David on December 17, 2006, 12:02 PM
R2s are gone, but I saw a couple Power Droidsfor the first time, I passed, I didn't have any money on me.....Oops. :-X

in my neck of the woods, power droids are pegwarming, oddly enough. i just may have to clear some out.
Title: Re: Battle of Hoth Wave
Post by: JangoTat on December 17, 2006, 12:20 PM
i have only seen the power droid twice. he was pretty rare at my local storres