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Title: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: DuDisNow on March 5, 2008, 11:22 PM
Fox is already exclusive to Blu-ray, and it is winning the HD format wars.  Infact, it already won since Toshiba said they're not continuing the HD-DVD drives after April.

When Star Wars is released, they should sell all in them in a Saga pack.  We may need to wait until 2012 for the 35th aniversary editions of the movies, completely remaster with the original versions of the OT too.

Anyways, do you want Star Wars on Blu-ray?
Title: Re: Bluray
Post by: JediMoses on April 17, 2010, 11:09 PM
The digital bits is confirming a comment from Steve Sansweet that a 6 film Blu Ray set is in the works.
Title: Re: 2010 SW on BR
Post by: Rob on April 18, 2010, 12:41 AM
There's a rumor that it still won't be until October of 2011.

Yuck.
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-ray?
Post by: Jayson on April 19, 2010, 11:03 AM
Sansweet confirms Blu-Ray Saga at C2E2 (http://www.cinematical.com/2010/04/19/star-wars-heading-to-blu-ray/)
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-ray?
Post by: iFett on April 19, 2010, 11:18 AM
I like they're marketing scheme - well not really, but I just wonder how many more times I'll have to buy these movies.

I won't call it the Ultimate Set because we keep finding stuff

How can they keep finding stuff after all these years  ???
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-ray?
Post by: Jayson on April 19, 2010, 11:30 AM
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Title: Star Wars Saga on Blu-Ray
Post by: Biffette on April 19, 2010, 01:59 PM
Sansweet announces Star Wars Saga on Blu-Ray at C2E2 (http://www.theblurayblog.com/2010/04/its-official-lucasfilm-announces-6-film-star-wars-saga-on-blu-ray/)

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“We have been at work for a couple of years working on - I won’t call it the Ultimate Set because we keep finding stuff - but, a very full set of all six movies on Blu-ray with lots of extra material. We’re finding all kinds of scenes from dailies that have never been seen before. Beyond all of those things that you know about… there are some real treasures.”

Seriously, why can't I find this on any Star Wars sites?

ETA: Oh, thank you for directing me to the topic.
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-ray?
Post by: Brian on April 19, 2010, 08:51 PM
I'm really happy to get some sort of "official" word that this is on the way.  I mean, I guess we all knew that we'd get it eventually, but it is nice to know that it is in the "not to distant future".  I'm surprised it isn't bigger news on the Star Wars sites really.  I don't know that I even saw it mentioned anywhere other than Yakface and maybe TFN, and I actually saw it at IGN first.

Anyways, I hope that rumor about Oct 2011 is untrue, it would be much nicer to get it this year.  Then again, it wouldn't surprise me if Sansweet/Lucasfilm consider next year "soon".  Although we know it won't work out this way, it would really be nice if they made this the end-all, be-all "ultimate" edition set of the entire Saga.  I know it would be tough to please all the fans, as something would always be left out that someone liked, but it would be nice if they went ahead and included all the goodies the first time around.  Wishful thinking.  I wonder if we'll see anymore tinkering with the movies?  I wouldn't be surprised to see the PT get a few things here and there, and honestly, I don't know if I'd mind as much as some of the OT SE changes.  Replacing the Yoda puppet in TPM would be one I would support, never really liked how that looked.
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-ray?
Post by: Dave on April 19, 2010, 10:45 PM
They could get the newly minted Blu-Ray discs done this year, but they put it off a year so they could produce the repainted figures, ships, books, CDs, etc. that will tie in with the giant media blitz  ::)
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-ray?
Post by: Darth Broem on April 20, 2010, 01:55 AM
There is all sorts of great extras they COULD put in.  However, I wonder what will really end up being in it?I am hoping that the Luke/Biggs deleted scene would be on it as an extra.  I am kind of hoping to see the Ki-Adi-Mundi raid on the control ship deleted scene from Episode I but that might be asking for too much.  Anyway, this will get me to finally buy a blu-ray player.     
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-ray?
Post by: Crackbrick on April 20, 2010, 04:24 AM
My hope is that the original versions of the OT are on here.
Don't care about the SE and the "Special" Special" editions of the films.
If there are no Originals then I won't be interested.

CB
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-ray?
Post by: Master_Phruby on April 20, 2010, 02:35 AM
I wonder if this will be the last one or will they come out with the blu-ray 3D version?
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-ray?
Post by: name on April 20, 2010, 04:06 PM
Featuring a bonus audio track from Lucas where all lightsabers are referred to a lazer swords, Han is pronounced to rhyme with Fan, and Count Dough-Koo leads the separatist army.
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-ray?
Post by: Keonobi on April 20, 2010, 04:58 PM
Featuring a bonus audio track from Lucas where all lightsabers are referred to a lazer swords, Han is pronounced to rhyme with Fan, and Count Dough-Koo leads the separatist army.

And Chewie is digitally replaced by Lucas' dog?
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-ray?
Post by: Master_Phruby on April 20, 2010, 05:15 PM
Featuring a bonus audio track from Lucas where all lightsabers are referred to a lazer swords, Han is pronounced to rhyme with Fan, and Count Dough-Koo leads the separatist army.

And Chewie is digitally replaced by Lucas' dog?

No. No. No. He named the dog Indiana!
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-ray?
Post by: Keonobi on April 20, 2010, 05:21 PM
Featuring a bonus audio track from Lucas where all lightsabers are referred to a lazer swords, Han is pronounced to rhyme with Fan, and Count Dough-Koo leads the separatist army.

And Chewie is digitally replaced by Lucas' dog?

No. No. No. He named the dog Indiana!

Yeah, but I thought the dog, sitting in the front seat with him, was the inspiration for the friendly/hairy co-pilot.

I'm not an expert on the capacity of Blu-Ray discs, but they definitely should release theatrical versions.  If they want to include Special Editions/Extended Version/Include cut scenes/whatever they should, but that should be something the viewer chooses (like how you can select Letterbox or standard on the same DVD for certain movies).
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-ray?
Post by: Jesse James on April 20, 2010, 06:03 PM
I don't own a Blu-Ray player and don't have an intent to get one anytime soon (I'd buy a PS3 first anyway), but this is kind of cool...  I've always imagined the Lucasfilm archives being just jam packed with cut footage.  I've always wanted to see the Wampa investigation, and supposedly the Battle of Hoth was a bit longer (and Veers' Death scene was filmed).  I'd dig seeing that, and the wounded-sequence with the Rebels in the trenches getting desperate.

I also would love seeing the shots filmed for ROTJ's space battle and Endor battle that were cut...  They were supposedly equally elaborate, filmed, and then just axed.
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-ray?
Post by: Nathan on April 21, 2010, 04:33 PM
I was thinking we might see it this year for ESB's 30th, but at least we don't have to wait until 2013 for ROTJ's. They do seem to like doing these things in "anniversary" years but I suppose that's what C5 is for.
Title: Star Wars Saga on Blu-Ray, 2011 (Celebration 5) & Deleted Scenes!
Post by: Jesse James on August 14, 2010, 03:26 PM
The Saga on Blu-Ray was expected at some point, but restored deleted scenes?  Oofah!  And TheForce.net posted the teaser scene...  Get ready to be giddy, as a fan. :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UdJ0E7HbTKc&feature=player_embedded

This is simply incredible.  I may get a BR player just for this specifically.
Title: Re: Star Wars Saga on Blu-Ray, 2011 (Celebration 5) & Deleted Scenes!
Post by: Ben on August 14, 2010, 04:31 PM
Hell yeah.  :)
Title: Re: Star Wars Saga on Blu-Ray, 2011 (Celebration 5) & Deleted Scenes!
Post by: Diddly on August 14, 2010, 05:24 PM
Sounds like I have a year to save up for a Blu Ray player!

Loving the deleted scenes, but I hope that GL doesn't make any more changes to the OT. :-\
Title: Re: Star Wars Saga on Blu-Ray, 2011 (Celebration 5) & Deleted Scenes!
Post by: Master_Phruby on August 14, 2010, 05:25 PM
George Lucas is like a mafia thug coming around collecting protection money every few years. When will it ever end?
Title: Re: Star Wars Saga on Blu-Ray, 2011 (Celebration 5) & Deleted Scenes!
Post by: Diddly on August 14, 2010, 09:28 PM
Sounds like it's going to be the 04 DVD versions of the OT we're getting...

http://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=4996 (http://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=4996)

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Lucas also clarified that the original trilogy movies will be included as they were shown theatrically in 1997 and released on DVD in 2004 - i.e., the original versions will not be included. "You have to go through and do a whole restoration on it, and you have to do that digitally," he said. "It's a very, very expensive process to do it. So when we did the transfer to digital, we only transferred really the upgraded version."
Title: Re: Star Wars Saga on Blu-Ray, 2011 (Celebration 5) & Deleted Scenes!
Post by: Brian on August 14, 2010, 11:14 PM
Sounds like it's going to be the 04 DVD versions of the OT we're getting...

http://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=4996 (http://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=4996)

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Lucas also clarified that the original trilogy movies will be included as they were shown theatrically in 1997 and released on DVD in 2004 - i.e., the original versions will not be included. "You have to go through and do a whole restoration on it, and you have to do that digitally," he said. "It's a very, very expensive process to do it. So when we did the transfer to digital, we only transferred really the upgraded version."

Not really surprising I guess, I'm still really looking forward to it.  I didn't used to think that the upgrade to HD really made that big of a difference, until we got a blu-ray player for Christmas last year.  Watching movies on BD, and the HD cable stations, it really does make for a nicer picture and everything.  Plus, the extras (deleted scenes for the OT in particular) would get me anyways.  Just watching that one clip (Luke building his lightsaber) online was sweet, and in a small way gave me those chills like when we were watching a trailer for one of the new movies.
Title: Re: Star Wars Saga on Blu-Ray, 2011 (Celebration 5) & Deleted Scenes!
Post by: Crackbrick on August 14, 2010, 11:19 PM
Just wish they would put the originals on as well.  Seeing deleted footage would be cool, but not enough to buy the set without have the best version on there.
There are 3 versions of the trilogy but the first is best.  Although they could fit all of them onto Blu Ray if they wanted to.
I saw that GL mentioned it being expensive...so what?  Give a little back to the fans.  Please everyone so they can get the version they like best.
Would be nice but I don't see it even happening.  He may as well burn the originals.

cb
Title: Re: Star Wars Saga on Blu-Ray, 2011 (Celebration 5) & Deleted Scenes!
Post by: 501ST on August 15, 2010, 09:47 AM
Am glad to hear that Lucasfilm decided to join the 20th Century and bring their films to blu-ray.

The deleted scenes being optional to see in a version with the total of each film or no deleted scenes option would also be do-able on BD,as is to have the saga on blu-ray will be exciting for me personally.

Title: Re: Star Wars Saga on Blu-Ray, 2011 (Celebration 5) & Deleted Scenes!
Post by: Carpeteria3000 on August 15, 2010, 11:55 AM
Of course, we'll only get like 24% of the existing deleted scenes, the remainder of which GL will hang onto to milk out when SW3DBD comes out in like three years or something.
Title: Re: Star Wars Saga on Blu-Ray, 2011 (Celebration 5) & Deleted Scenes!
Post by: MistaBinks on August 15, 2010, 02:48 PM
Hasn't there been little hints here and there over the years that insinuates that work has never stopped on original trilogy? I know it will be the special editions on the Blu Ray discs but I don't think it will be the exact 2004 DVD versions. If nothing, at least TPM from the prequels will be different. Isn't there a digital Yoda now on the masters instead of a puppet?
Title: Re: Star Wars Saga on Blu-Ray, 2011 (Celebration 5) & Deleted Scenes!
Post by: darth broem 2 on August 15, 2010, 04:02 PM
Yep, he'll keep hanging on to things here and there and send out a few at a time.  He purposely holds back on this stuff to build up the hype and wait for a sufficient enough percentage of people out there to own a certain type of player.   It always strikes me funny because he's always trying to be technologically ahead of the "rest of the crowd" but always lags way behind the rest to actually put his films on it. 
Title: Re: Star Wars Saga on Blu-Ray, 2011 (Celebration 5) & Deleted Scenes!
Post by: Scott on August 15, 2010, 04:38 PM
This may be a given but we're talking all 6 films here right?  Because I hope they make some tweaks to TPM and AOTC for the release
Title: Re: Star Wars Saga on Blu-Ray, 2011 (Celebration 5) & Deleted Scenes!
Post by: Scott on August 15, 2010, 11:41 PM
Nevermind, I answered my own question...all 6films, next fall.  I expect to see CG Yoda and again hopefully some other new stuff in the PT.

I know I haven't watched Ep3 in like 3 years.  I should do that again some day :)
Title: Re: Star Wars Saga on Blu-Ray, 2011 (Celebration 5) & Deleted Scenes!
Post by: Jesse James on August 16, 2010, 02:42 AM
I'm curious what could get added to the prequals, as far as deleted scenes...  Or if they're only possibly going to get tweaks in other ways.  I'm kind of partial to deleted scenes being added.

I've read it before though, that all 6 have a buttload of stuff filmed that wasn't ever used, so yeah, I'm sure this is going to be an ongoing thing.

I loved the Saber building scene though...  I mean, I haven't gotten goosebumps like that in a LONG time, about Star Wars.  And I still am into Star Wars despite the changes and things.  That scene was, from a purely nerdy perspective, like some special moment for some reason.  It wasn't even a BIG scene by any means, but it was really cool.
Title: Re: Star Wars Saga on Blu-Ray, 2011 (Celebration 5) & Deleted Scenes!
Post by: Morgbug on August 16, 2010, 03:30 PM
George Lucas is like a mafia thug coming around collecting protection money every few years. When will it ever end?
Ain't dat da truth!

I have two VHS versions of this, a pirated version (sort of) of the original trilogy transferred from laser disc to DVD and single releases of all six movies.  I never opted in for other sets/versions including the 2004 releases but I'll opt in for the BluRay stuff since I'm probably buying a player in the next month or so anyway.
Title: Re: Star Wars Saga on Blu-Ray, 2011 (Celebration 5) & Deleted Scenes!
Post by: I Am Sith on August 16, 2010, 04:51 PM
I'm extremely excited to get some of the 'lost scenes' back into the OT movies.  The scenes that I'm actually looking forward to seeing (if they happen) are the Biggs/Luke scene at the beginning of ANH and the Wampa scene during the Hoth escape.

If GL decides to tinker with the PT in any way, I hope he decides to replace the awful Yoda puppet in TPM with the CGI version that's been talked about.  It's too bad he can't cast a completely new Anakin for all three movies to replace Jake/Hayden and replace their performances with the new person's...
Title: Re: Star Wars Saga on Blu-Ray, 2011 (Celebration 5) & Deleted Scenes!
Post by: Darby on August 16, 2010, 07:18 PM
Replacing Yoda is almost certainly happening (there's footage of it somewhere).

There's a lot of things I'd wish he'd do differently with the PT, starting with all three movies themselves.
Title: Re: Star Wars Saga on Blu-Ray, 2011 (Celebration 5) & Deleted Scenes!
Post by: Brian on August 17, 2010, 10:41 AM
I'm curious what could get added to the prequals, as far as deleted scenes...  Or if they're only possibly going to get tweaks in other ways.  I'm kind of partial to deleted scenes being added.

I've read it before though, that all 6 have a buttload of stuff filmed that wasn't ever used, so yeah, I'm sure this is going to be an ongoing thing.

I loved the Saber building scene though...  I mean, I haven't gotten goosebumps like that in a LONG time, about Star Wars.  And I still am into Star Wars despite the changes and things.  That scene was, from a purely nerdy perspective, like some special moment for some reason.  It wasn't even a BIG scene by any means, but it was really cool.

I felt the same way about the Saber building scene, sort of gave me goosebumps as well.  Just got me all psyched for Star Wars again for some reason, not that I'm not general interested anyways.  I hope we get quite a bit of stuff for both trilogies, it is always nice to see something new.  Like it was mentioned, I definitely hope we see the CGI Yoda replacement in TPM, that is one "update" I think most fans could agree on.

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I know I haven't watched Ep3 in like 3 years.  I should do that again some day

You guys have better willpower than I do.  Although I don't watch the prequels quite as often, I think I at least catch them a couple times a year.  The OT is probably every other month or so, even though we all have them pretty much memorized at this point.  I'm kind of that way with a lot of my favorite movies though, I just pop them in every few months or so to watch them again (although not quite as often, movies like Indy, LOTR, Harry Potter, and some superhero stuff get the same treatment).  It is one of those situations that if these movies are on TV, I'll watch them for a little bit at least (although, aside from when Crystal Skull was released, Indy is never one - which I always find strange).
Title: Re: Star Wars Saga on Blu-Ray, 2011 (Celebration 5) & Deleted Scenes!
Post by: Matt on August 17, 2010, 07:00 PM
Sounds like it's going to be the 04 DVD versions of the OT we're getting...

They're still tweaking it:

Skywalker Sound Engineers Confirm They’ve Remixed Star Wars Again – For Blu-ray? 3D Theatrical? (http://www.bleedingcool.com/2010/07/04/skywalkers-sound-engineers-confirm-theyve-remixed-star-wars-again-for-blu-ray-3d-theatrical/)

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Star Wars sound engineers Matt Wood and David Acord have spoken to this week’s ForceCast. Chiefly, they were chatting in a rather specific and delightfully nerdy manner about a single detail of the original Star Wars soundtrack, debating whether or not Obi Wan’s scary roar was borrowed from a Hanna-Barbera cartoon called Dino Boy. However, at the end of the segment, they revealed the following:

    And, to be honest, that sound effect has been changed again. So at some point the audiences will be hearing that scene again with the new sound effect.

At some point, unspecified, in the future. Intriguing. Here’s another quote on the new version of the effect:

    [We] decided it should sound even more human. And the human it does sound like… yeah, we’ll talk about that another time.

Sounds like they’re trying to forge some new subtext in this latest remix, and very subtly so.

Hopefully they'll also go back and re-fix everything else they "fixed" with the 2004 versions.

It is one of those situations that if these movies are on TV, I'll watch them for a little bit at least (although, aside from when Crystal Skull was released, Indy is never one - which I always find strange).

The (good) new Epix channel (http://www.epixhd.com/) did a full Indy marathon two weekends ago, and I've seen Raiders and Crystal Skull on it on other occasions.

And I can't quite put my finger on it, but there's just something neat about seeing those movies on TV.
Title: Re: Star Wars Saga on Blu-Ray, 2011 (Celebration 5) & Deleted Scenes!
Post by: iFett on August 17, 2010, 07:43 PM
I'm drawing a blank here.  When did Obi-Wan let out a scary roar?
Title: Re: Star Wars Saga on Blu-Ray, 2011 (Celebration 5) & Deleted Scenes!
Post by: Matt_Fury on August 17, 2010, 08:20 PM
Obi-Wan lets out a roar (with the aid of the force) in ANH to scare off the Tusken Raiders.

As far as the deleted scene they showed...I think it looks cool, but can see why they cut it.
Title: Re: Star Wars Saga on Blu-Ray, 2011 (Celebration 5) & Deleted Scenes!
Post by: Brian on August 17, 2010, 08:45 PM
The (good) new Epix channel (http://www.epixhd.com/) did a full Indy marathon two weekends ago, and I've seen Raiders and Crystal Skull on it on other occasions.

And I can't quite put my finger on it, but there's just something neat about seeing those movies on TV.

Thanks for the info, I honestly wasn't even aware of that channel - good to hear Indy is being shown somewhere.  I don't think that we get that through our cable service though.  I remember seeing Indy on USA and Sci Fi at one time or another, but its been years now.  Not really the topic for this, but I wonder if this means we'll see the original Indy trilogy on Blu Ray soon as well now?
Title: Re: Star Wars Saga on Blu-Ray, 2011 (Celebration 5) & Deleted Scenes!
Post by: iFett on August 17, 2010, 09:50 PM
Obi-Wan lets out a roar (with the aid of the force) in ANH to scare off the Tusken Raiders.

duh....How could I forget that force-aided roar   ;)  silly me
Title: Re: Star Wars Saga on Blu-Ray, 2011 (Celebration 5) & Deleted Scenes!
Post by: Matt on August 17, 2010, 10:23 PM
Thanks for the info, I honestly wasn't even aware of that channel - good to hear Indy is being shown somewhere.  I don't think that we get that through our cable service though.

According to Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epix_%28TV_network%29), there are several large providers which are not carrying them, which is too bad.  I've been pretty impressed with what I've seen so far, and my only complaint is that the Indy flicks were cropped, but I've seen others that weren't so maybe that was something beyond Epix' control.

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I wonder if this means we'll see the original Indy trilogy on Blu Ray soon as well now?

There was some talk last year (http://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=2351) that it was supposed to have been released last year.  Then there was talk that it had been delayed to this year.  Now it's getting down to crunch time for it to be released this year.  I don't see a 2010 release happening, which would push it to next year.  But it's unlikely that LFL would want to release both SW and Indy in the same year.  My guess is that they're holding out for a possible tie-in with the fifth film, if that ever happens.
Title: Re: Star Wars Saga on Blu-Ray, 2011 (Celebration 5) & Deleted Scenes!
Post by: Jesse James on August 17, 2010, 11:21 PM
Yeah that's a channel I don't get either.  Bummer because, like SW, I'd probably watch Indy just because it was on.  Last Indy flicks I saw were on USA I think.
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Matt on January 4, 2011, 05:07 PM
Star Wars Blu-ray to get a 'most impressive' announcement at CES from Vader, Fox & Panasonic (http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/04/star-wars-blu-ray-to-get-a-most-impressive-announcement-at-ces/)
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Jeff on January 6, 2011, 02:41 PM
From StarWars.com (http://starwars.com/themovies/saga/preorder_bluray/index.html):

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The most anticipated Blu-ray release ever -- the Star Wars Saga -- emerges from light speed this September 2011. For the first time, all six of George Lucas' epic films (Episodes I-VI) are united in one complete set. Fans worldwide are able to pre-order now with online retailers.

Twentieth Century Fox Home Entertainment will release Star Wars in three distinct sets to meet the needs of every Star Wars fan:

Star Wars: The Complete Saga on Blu-ray (9-disc Set includes all six films)
Star Wars: Prequel Blu-ray Trilogy (3-disc set includes Episodes I-III)
Star Wars: Original Blu-ray Trilogy (3-disc set includes Episodes IV-VI)

Star Wars: The Complete Saga on Blu-ray will feature all six live-action Star Wars feature films utilizing the highest possible picture and audio presentation, along with three additional discs and more than 30 hours of extensive special features including never-before-seen deleted and alternate scenes, an exploration of the exclusive Star Wars archives, and much more.

Star Wars: The Complete Saga on Blu-ray will be available for $139.99 US/$179.99 CAN and the Star Wars: Trilogy Sets for $69.99 US/89.99 CAN. Pricing for each set will vary by international territory.

Flanked by a legion of his finest Imperial stormtroopers, Darth Vader himself joined Twentieth Century Fox Home Entertainment President Mike Dunn at the Consumer Electronics Show (CES) to announce the release, vowing "The forces of the Empire will be at your disposal to assure the success of this endeavor."

"The Star Wars Saga is the most anticipated Blu-ray collection since the launch of the high-def format," Dunn said. "The epic franchise pioneered sound and visual presentation in theaters and is perfectly suited to do it again in the home, with a viewing experience only possible with Blu-ray."

"With all six episodes available for the first time in one collection, this is a great way for families and home audiences to experience the complete Saga from start to finish," said Doug Yates, Vice President of Marketing, Online, Distribution, Lucasfilm Ltd. "And with the quality of high-definition, Blu-ray provides the most immersive home experience possible."

"The Star Wars franchise has been the most anticipated Blu-ray release by Amazon's customers," said Bill Carr, Vice President of Music and Video at Amazon.com. "We think that Star Wars will be incredibly popular with our customers, and we expect pre-orders to be very strong.
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Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: McMetal on January 6, 2011, 03:31 PM
Was wondering when we would get the official announcement today...excellent.

I just hope this doesn't give Hasbro an excuse to go on another four month hiatus in anticipation of the big "relaunch".  ::)
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: JesseVader08 on January 6, 2011, 03:42 PM
Cool, I can't wait for September.  It'll be a great excuse to sit down and watch them all again, and in High Def will be great.

I'm sure Lucas won't be able to resist making at least a couple changes.  Any guesses as to what he might do?  I'd give my left nut for him to reinstate Han shooting first.  ;)
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Scott on January 6, 2011, 03:50 PM
Up for Preorder at Amazon (http://www.amazon.com/Star-Wars-Complete-Episodes-Blu-ray/dp/B003ZSJ212/jedidefender-20/)
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: JesseVader08 on January 6, 2011, 04:01 PM
$90 is a great deal!
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Jesse James on January 6, 2011, 04:29 PM
Hmmm, well, that was as expected...  :)

I wish there was more about what's added in.
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: iFett on January 6, 2011, 05:02 PM
$90 ain't too shabby if that sticks, but this will be the most expensive set I've ever purchased.  Will probably use my old discs for coasters or something.  That 30 hours of special features should be fun to swim through.   :)
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Jesse James on January 6, 2011, 08:14 PM
This may actually prompt me into getting a blu-ray at some point.
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: MisterPL on January 6, 2011, 10:29 PM
I'm reading an awful lot of comments elsewhere concerning the inclusion of the original theatrical cuts. Seems like this is going to be a deal breaker if Lucas doesn't squeeze them in. I'm inclined to agree. I'd sooner have the originals (my favorites) in hi-def, warts and all, than to settle for the edit-du-jour.
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Ben on January 7, 2011, 12:20 AM
With 30 hours of special features, I'd figure that six or seven of those hours would be the original theatrical cuts. Well, I hope, anyway.  :-\
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Brian on January 7, 2011, 10:29 AM
Even though we knew it was coming, it is nice to get an official announcement/month of release.  I was sort of hoping we'd get a look at what the set would look like, but oh well.  I have to admit, I sort of liked the little trailer that was up at the Official Site - kind of gets you jazzed to watch Star Wars again, even though we've seen them all so many times before.  I know I'm looking forward to it.

I'm in the same boat as this will be the most expensive set I've ever bought - by far.  That being said, I can start saving now.  That $90 preorder price at Amazon is awfully tempting, although I wonder if I would get impatient waiting for the shipping.  Looking forward to it this Fall though, that's for sure.  Hopefully the original cuts are included, but I have to admit that I would likely pick it up either way.
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: McMetal on January 7, 2011, 02:24 PM
I'm reading an awful lot of comments elsewhere concerning the inclusion of the original theatrical cuts. Seems like this is going to be a deal breaker if Lucas doesn't squeeze them in. I'm inclined to agree. I'd sooner have the originals (my favorites) in hi-def, warts and all, than to settle for the edit-du-jour.

Definitely a deal-breaker for me as well...they HAVE to include those as far as I'm concerned. There's no good reason for them not to with all those extra hours of features.
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Crackbrick on January 9, 2011, 10:41 PM
I'm reading an awful lot of comments elsewhere concerning the inclusion of the original theatrical cuts. Seems like this is going to be a deal breaker if Lucas doesn't squeeze them in. I'm inclined to agree. I'd sooner have the originals (my favorites) in hi-def, warts and all, than to settle for the edit-du-jour.

Definitely a deal-breaker for me as well...they HAVE to include those as far as I'm concerned. There's no good reason for them not to with all those extra hours of features.

I agree...BUT the extras on the Blu Ray will be tempting.

cb
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Diddly on January 10, 2011, 03:08 PM
Think I'm going to wait and see what the special features are before I commit to preordering the Blu-Ray set. I don't even have a BR player yet, and my upconverted DVDs still do me just fine.

Stuff that I want to see fixed:

- ANH Jabba: I thought it looked alright in the 97 editions but keeps getting worse. The TPM Jabba could use a touch up too.
- Hayden as Anakin: My biggest problem with this is that Hayden looks bored and doesn't fit in with the scene. Either remove him completely or make him appear as if he's actually interacting with Yoda and Ben.
- Han Shoots First: They can't make it look like he's dodging the blast anyway so just get rid of it.
- Lightsabers: They look awful in the 04 OT DVDs. Here's a comparison:

1983 and 1997 versions:
(http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa203/bobschlapowitz/gifs/sabers1983a.jpg)

2004 DVD version:
(http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa203/bobschlapowitz/gifs/sabers2004a.jpg)

Seriously, for a company that prides itself on special effects, how could LFL make something that looks so bad? There's also a part in ANH when Luke is training on the Falcon where his blue Saber has an awkward teal/green color. FIX IT.
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Master_Phruby on January 16, 2011, 11:20 AM
Think I'm going to wait and see what the special features are before I commit to preordering the Blu-Ray set. I don't even have a BR player yet, and my upconverted DVDs still do me just fine.

Stuff that I want to see fixed:
- Hayden as Anakin:  FIX IT.

Enough said.
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Crackbrick on March 29, 2011, 11:11 AM
Anyone think GL will screw with these agin?
Like getting rid of the Yoda Puppet in PM?
I wish he would leave things as is.
I would love to have the original included as well.

cb
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Master_Phruby on May 4, 2011, 09:46 AM
Lucasfilm announced all of the documentaries that will be included on disc 9 of the complete box set. I wish they would just release this by itself. It's got everything short of the Muppet show and the Holiday Special!

NEW! Star Warriors (2007, Color, Apx. 84 Minutes) -- Some Star Wars fans want to collect action figures...these fans want to be action figures! A tribute to the 501st Legion, a global organization of Star Wars costume enthusiasts, this insightful documentary shows how the super-fan club promotes interest in the films through charity and volunteer work at fundraisers and high-profile special events around the world.

NEW! A Conversation with the Masters: The Empire Strikes Back 30 Years Later (2010, Color, Apx. 25 Minutes) -- George Lucas, Irvin Kershner, Lawrence Kasdan and John Williams look back on the making of The Empire Strikes Back in this in-depth retrospective from Lucasfilm created to help commemorate the 30th anniversary of the movie. The masters discuss and reminisce about one of the most beloved films of all time.

NEW! Star Wars Spoofs (2011, Color, Apx. 91 Minutes) -- The farce is strong with this one! Enjoy a hilarious collection of Star Wars spoofs and parodies that have been created over the years, including outrageous clips from Family Guy, The Simpsons, How I Met Your Mother and more -- and don't miss "Weird Al" Yankovic's one-of-a-kind music video tribute to The Phantom Menace!

The Making of Star Wars (1977, Color, Apx. 49 Minutes) -- Learn the incredible behind-the-scenes story of how the original Star Wars movie was brought to the big screen in this fascinating documentary hosted by C-3PO and R2-D2. Includes interviews with George Lucas and appearances by Mark Hamill, Harrison Ford and Carrie Fisher.

The Empire Strikes Back: SPFX (1980, Color, Apx. 48 Minutes) -- Learn the secrets of making movies in a galaxy far, far away. Hosted by Mark Hamill, this revealing documentary offers behind-the-scenes glimpses into the amazing special effects that transformed George Lucas' vision for Star Wars and The Empire Strikes Back into reality!

Classic Creatures: Return of the Jedi (1983, Color, Apx. 48 Minutes) -- Go behind the scenes -- and into the costumes -- as production footage from Return of the Jedi is interspersed with vintage monster movie clips in this in-depth exploration of the painstaking techniques utilized by George Lucas to create the classic creatures and characters seen in the film. Hosted and narrated by Carrie Fisher and Billie Dee Williams.

Anatomy of a Dewback (1997, Color, Apx. 26 Minutes) -- See how some of the special effects in Star Wars became even more special two decades later! George Lucas explains and demonstrates how his team transformed the original dewback creatures from immovable rubber puppets (in the original 1977 release) to seemingly living, breathing creatures for the Star Wars 1997 Special Edition update.

Star Wars Tech (2007, Color, Apx. 46 Minutes) -- Exploring the technical aspects of Star Wars vehicles, weapons and gadgetry, Star Wars Tech consults leading scientists in the fields of physics, prosthetics, lasers, engineering and astronomy to examine the plausibility of Star Wars technology based on science as we know it today.


Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Scott on May 4, 2011, 10:57 AM
Bring home the adventure and share Star Wars™ with your whole family – when STAR WARS: THE COMPLETE SAGA comes to Blu-ray Disc from Lucasfilm Ltd. and Twentieth Century Fox Home Entertainment! To be released beginning on September 12 internationally and on September 16 in North America, the nine-disc collection brings the wonder of the entire Saga direct to your living room, where you can revisit all of your favorite Star Wars moments – in gorgeous high definition and with pristine, 6.1 DTS Surround Sound. Dive deeper into the universe with an unprecedented 40+ hours of special features, highlighted by never-before-seen content sourced from the Lucasfilm archives.

Special Features:
STAR WARS: THE COMPLETE SAGA ON BLU-RAY is presented in widescreen with 6.1 DTS Surround Sound. Special features include:

DISC ONE – STAR WARS: EPISODE I THE PHANTOM MENACE
Audio Commentary with George Lucas, Rick McCallum, Ben Burtt, Rob Coleman, John Knoll, Dennis Muren and Scott Squires
Audio Commentary from Archival Interviews with Cast and Crew

DISC TWO – STAR WARS: EPISODE II ATTACK OF THE CLONES
Audio Commentary with George Lucas, Rick McCallum, Ben Burtt, Rob Coleman, Pablo Helman, John Knoll and Ben Snow
Audio Commentary from Archival Interviews with Cast and Crew

DISC THREE – STAR WARS: EPISODE III REVENGE OF THE SITH
Audio Commentary with George Lucas, Rick McCallum, Rob Coleman, John Knoll and Roger Guyett
Audio Commentary from Archival Interviews with Cast and Crew

DISC FOUR – STAR WARS: EPISODE IV A NEW HOPE
Audio Commentary with George Lucas, Carrie Fisher, Ben Burtt and Dennis Muren
Audio Commentary from Archival Interviews with Cast and Crew

DISC FIVE – STAR WARS: EPISODE V THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK
Audio Commentary with George Lucas, Irvin Kershner, Carrie Fisher, Ben Burtt and Dennis Muren
Audio Commentary from Archival Interviews with Cast and Crew

DISC SIX – STAR WARS: EPISODE VI RETURN OF THE JEDI
Audio Commentary with George Lucas, Carrie Fisher, Ben Burtt and Dennis Muren
Audio Commentary from Archival Interviews with Cast and Crew

DISC SEVEN – NEW! STAR WARS ARCHIVES: EPISODES I-III
Including: deleted, extended and alternate scenes; prop, maquette and costume turnarounds; matte paintings and concept art; supplementary interviews with cast and crew; a flythrough of the Lucasfilm Archives and more

DISC EIGHT – NEW! STAR WARS ARCHIVES: EPISODES IV-VI
Including: deleted, extended and alternate scenes; prop, maquette and costume turnarounds; matte paintings and concept art; supplementary interviews with cast and crew; and more

DISC NINE – THE STAR WARS DOCUMENTARIES
NEW! Star Warriors (2007, Color, Apx. 84 Minutes) – Some Star Wars fans want to collect action figures...these fans want to be action figures! A tribute to the 501st Legion, a global organization of Star Wars costume enthusiasts, this insightful documentary shows how the super-fan club promotes interest in the films through charity and volunteer work at fundraisers and high-profile special events around the world.

NEW! A Conversation with the Masters: The Empire Strikes Back 30 Years Later (2010, Color, Apx. 25 Minutes) – George Lucas, Irvin Kershner, Lawrence Kasdan and John Williams look back on the making of The Empire Strikes Back in this in-depth retrospective from Lucasfilm created to help commemorate the 30th anniversary of the movie. The masters discuss and reminisce about one of the most beloved films of all time.

NEW! Star Wars Spoofs (2011, Color, Apx. 91 Minutes) – The farce is strong with this one! Enjoy a hilarious collection of Star Wars spoofs and parodies that have been created over the years, including outrageous clips from Family Guy, The Simpsons, How I Met Your Mother and more — and don’t miss “Weird Al” Yankovic’s one-of-a-kind music video tribute to The Phantom Menace!

The Making of Star Wars (1977, Color, Apx. 49 Minutes) – Learn the incredible behind-the-scenes story of how the original Star Wars movie was brought to the big screen in this fascinating documentary hosted by C-3PO and R2-D2. Includes interviews with George Lucas and appearances by Mark Hamill, Harrison Ford and Carrie Fisher.

The Empire Strikes Back: SPFX (1980, Color, Apx. 48 Minutes) – Learn the secrets of making movies in a galaxy far, far away. Hosted by Mark Hamill, this revealing documentary offers behind-the-scenes glimpses into the amazing special effects that transformed George Lucas’ vision for Star Wars and The Empire Strikes Back into reality!

Classic Creatures: Return of the Jedi (1983, Color, Apx. 48 Minutes) – Go behind the scenes — and into the costumes — as production footage from Return of the Jedi is interspersed with vintage monster movie clips in this in-depth exploration of the painstaking techniques utilized by George Lucas to create the classic creatures and characters seen in the film. Hosted and narrated by Carrie Fisher and Billie Dee Williams.

Anatomy of a Dewback (1997, Color, Apx. 26 Minutes) – See how some of the special effects in Star Wars became even more special two decades later! George Lucas explains and demonstrates how his team transformed the original dewback creatures from immovable rubber puppets (in the original 1977 release) to seemingly living, breathing creatures for the Star Wars 1997 Special Edition update.

Star Wars Tech (2007, Color, Apx. 46 Minutes) – Exploring the technical aspects of Star Wars vehicles, weapons and gadgetry, Star Wars Tech consults leading scientists in the fields of physics, prosthetics, lasers, engineering and astronomy to examine the plausibility of Star Wars technology based on science as we know it today.


Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Jayson on May 4, 2011, 11:38 AM
edit: dead image
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: ruiner on May 4, 2011, 11:49 AM
That artwork is horrendous.
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Matt on May 4, 2011, 12:34 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/k2Wvg.jpg)
 
(http://i.imgur.com/uSPEY.jpg)

 (http://i.imgur.com/O3R4A.jpg)

One website is reporting the Saga cover will be lenticular.
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: iFett on May 4, 2011, 12:49 PM
So why is Yoda's noggin so prominent on the prequel trilogy box?  He certainly didn't play that big of a role in those movies.  No biggie though - more interested in the discs.
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: CloneF13Y35 on May 4, 2011, 01:18 PM
*Sigh* not exactly a whole lot in my humble opinion to get  me to buy a blu-ray player plus the movies yet. One cool feature would be IF the deleted scenes could be re-integrated back into the respective movies. Oh well, Long live Star Wars and May the 4th be with you all!
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Crackbrick on May 4, 2011, 01:49 PM
Is everything from the previous DVD releases included in this set?

cb
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: ruiner on May 4, 2011, 02:15 PM
Thanks Matt.

They're all horrendous.

Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: ruiner on May 4, 2011, 02:18 PM
BTW, go Thunder.
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Jayson on May 4, 2011, 02:36 PM
For better pics: http://www.starwars.com/movies/saga/bluraymay4/index.html
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Matt on May 4, 2011, 03:05 PM
So why is Yoda's noggin so prominent on the prequel trilogy box?  He certainly didn't play that big of a role in those movies.  No biggie though - more interested in the discs.

Agreed--it's kind of an odd choice.  Anakin would make more sense with Vader on the other set but who would want to look at Hayden Christensen's giant pouty face like that, honestly?

Is everything from the previous DVD releases included in this set?

Impossible to say for sure without knowing the details of discs seven and eight, but given that Empire of Dreams and The Beginning aren't mentioned anywhere, I'm gonna guess no.

BTW, go Thunder.

Yes sir!  And go. . .  Bulls?  Hope they come out of the East.  Anyone but the Heat.  Or the Celtics. 
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: ruiner on May 4, 2011, 03:44 PM
Yes, go Bulls but they have not looked like championship contenders in the playoffs.

All of the Chicago teams (minus the Hawks) are cursed.
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Brian on May 5, 2011, 12:36 PM
Looks like a good amount of stuff included in the extras, but I think we're all most curious about the deleted scenes and any changes made to the movies themselves.  I guess we won't learn about that until Comic Con, unless things leak out sooner.  I'm really excited to get the movies themselves on BD, and the extras lineup looks good too.  Although we already have them on DVD, I would have liked to see things like Empire of Dreams and The Beginning included too.  Also, I was sort of hoping for an old special from the '80s that I remember (and have on VHS), "From Star Wars to Jedi".  It mainly covers Jedi, but I remember seeing it on TV a few times as a kid, and then picked up the VHS off of ebay a few years ago.  A pretty good special.  The original OT DVD box set had some other nice features on it as well, with trailers and a characters feature, that would have been nice to see included.  All said though, it looks nice and I look forward to picking it up.  Now to see what kind of store exclusives there will be, hopefully that won't make it more difficult :).
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: darth broem 2 on May 7, 2011, 01:04 AM
Well going into this I am mostly interested in the deleted scenes.  If certain deleted scenes are included that is. I am thinking of stuff like Toshi Station, Luke completing his lightsaber, the Jedi raid on the Droid Control Ship, hopefully the Wampa attack, and others we have heard over the years if they were ever shot.    I really would have liked the original release of Star Wars, ESB, and ROTJ on these somewhere.  I would much rather have that than every single documentary ever made.  I think we have gotten our fill of those over the years.  I will gladly take them but .  I guess I should just go out and buy that one DVD set that had the originals on it from a few years ago.   I can't really see myself skipping these Blu-Ray sets.  I mean it's Blu-Ray for Heaven's sake!  I do hope they clean up some FX and replace that crappy TPM Yoda puppet.  The CGI one looks much better IMO.  I know blasphemous, but it's true.  Perhaps some other things will get fixed like say Han Shooting First (it has earned capital letter status).  Or maybe even making Luke's lightsaber color blue in the Millenium Falcon.  Stuff like that. 
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Morgbug on May 9, 2011, 01:12 PM
Jeez that packaging sucks. 
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Crackbrick on May 9, 2011, 10:38 PM
The art work looks great.

cb
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Jayson on May 11, 2011, 11:54 AM
Cover not lenticular according to LFL (http://theforce.net/latestnews/story/Two_New_Star_Wars_BluRay_Tidbits_138126.asp).
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Crackbrick on May 11, 2011, 01:25 PM
Reminds me a little of the old BK posters, which I liked allot.

cb
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Matt on June 21, 2011, 10:06 AM
Complete Saga for $65.04 at DVDPlanet (http://www.dvdplanet.com/Details.cfm/info/FXD374218/%20star-wars-the-complete-saga-blu-ray-)

By comparison, it's $89.99 at Amazon (http://www.amazon.com/Star-Wars-Complete-Episodes-Blu-ray/dp/B003ZSJ212/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1308664952&sr=8-1).
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Matt on June 22, 2011, 01:23 AM
Is everything from the previous DVD releases included in this set?

Impossible to say for sure without knowing the details of discs seven and eight, but given that Empire of Dreams and The Beginning aren't mentioned anywhere, I'm gonna guess no.

Some dude from DVDTalk (http://forum.dvdtalk.com/10826322-post1410.html) e-mailed LFL about Empire of Dreams and From SW to Jedi and this was the response he received:

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Dear -----,

Thank you for your recent e-mail. We are as excited as you about the release of the Star Wars Saga on Blu-ray Disc! It will be great to be able to watch them at home (or anywhere else for that matter) in high definition with high quality sound to match!

While “From Star Wars to Jedi: The Making of a Saga” and “Empire of Dreams” won't be included with the BD set, there's a ton of previously unseen material that will featured on the bonus discs; the list the press release is only a top line, bird's eye view of the comprehensive materials that will be included, and isn’t necessarily reflective of them in their entirety.

Discs seven and eight, in particular, highlight a cornucopia of behind-the-scenes material and footage. Even though the vintage docs aren't included, those two discs alone are steeped in archival goodness.


Thanks again for taking to time to write. May the Force be with you!

Connie

Publicity | Lucasfilm Ltd.
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Jesse James on June 22, 2011, 04:33 AM
Hmm, interesting update.
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Matt on June 22, 2011, 11:26 AM
I don't know if "interesting" is the word I would use, since it doesn't tell us anything new about those mystery discs, but it is good to have confirmation that not everything from the DVDs will be carrying over.
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: ruiner on June 22, 2011, 02:15 PM
Complete Saga for $65.04 at DVDPlanet (http://www.dvdplanet.com/Details.cfm/info/FXD374218/%20star-wars-the-complete-saga-blu-ray-)

By comparison, it's $89.99 at Amazon (http://www.amazon.com/Star-Wars-Complete-Episodes-Blu-ray/dp/B003ZSJ212/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1308664952&sr=8-1).

Have you read the reviews on DVDPlanet?  I'd spend the extra $$ at amazon.
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Matt on June 29, 2011, 11:07 AM
A Destiny Revealed: Star Wars Media Day Brings Blu-ray and More to New York City (http://www.bigpicturebigsound.com/A-Destiny-Revealed-Star-Wars-Media-Day-Brings-Blu-ray-to-Town.shtml)

(http://i.imgur.com/FemQT.jpg)

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As teased last August, announced for pre-order at CES and elaborated upon a few months ago, Star Wars The Complete Saga Blu-ray promises to be the hot disc release of 2011 when it drops this September 16th (along with The Original Trilogy and The Prequel Trilogy configurations, something to suit every fan). All that remained--short of final copies for full, in-depth review of course, hint-hint--was a hands-on demo of these long-awaited discs. How would they look and sound? And would these mysterious new extras really live up to the hype?

Well, at a private event in New York City last week, our friends at Lucasfilm and Fox pulled back the curtain all too briefly for an exciting peek at the Blu-rays as part of the 2011 Star Wars Media Day. Two clips were played (one from a classic film, one from a prequel) to demonstrate the quality of the brand-new 1080p/DTS-HD Master Audio 6.1 remasters, on a Panasonic plasma and over a Panasonic HTiB system. It was really just enough to whet our appetites (as if we weren't drooling enough already), but I am now very optimistic: the clips that we saw of films both of the original trilogy flavor and the newer prequels were stunning.  Release of the older films in particular on Blu-ray will be a real challenge for Fox, owing to the limits of cinematic technology of the era, but Episodes II and III should have the potential to truly amaze.

The Complete Saga will contain all six chapters, each with beautiful, elaborate menus designed around the theme of locations relevant to that film. There will also be "new" audio commentaries for all, edited together from archival material amassed over the years, these in addition to the current DVD commentaries. This mega-set will also include three exclusive Blu-rays: Disc Seven will focus specifically on the prequels, Disc Eight on the classic trilogy, while Disc Nine collects both new and vintage documentary material.

The highlights will surely be the more than 40 deleted scenes spanning the saga (Tosche Station had better be in there!) and the home video debut of "A Conversation with the Masters" (about 20 minutes, in HD) featuring the last on-camera interview with late Empire Strike Back director Irvin Kershner, created for the 30th anniversary of that film last year. But "The Archive Collection" has us particularly intrigued, now that we've seen up close what it's really about. Imagine if George Lucas was the subject of a very special edition of Hoarders, since he has fastidiously held onto just about everything from every movie. And now we can venture into this rarified domain too, as props and more come alive via 360-degree flyarounds and painstakingly sharp zooms that look terrific on the big high-def screen. If that's not interactive enough, more than 100 HD mini-documentaries (two to five minutes each) are accessible along the way, boasting fascinating new creator interviews combined with behind-the-scenes footage. Apparently, no expense was spared to make these extras rock.


The book-type packaging is absolutely gorgeous too (we can debate its practicality some other time), with bold images that might be familiar to fans of last year's coffee table book Star Wars: Visions. I tried to take some photos of it for the enjoyment of Big Picture Big Sound readers, but no lie, there were armed Clone Troopers roaming Media Day looking for uppity journalists trying to leak material early.
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Matt on July 7, 2011, 09:27 AM
U.K. version:

(http://i.imgur.com/MPnoe.jpg)
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Brian on July 7, 2011, 03:19 PM
Its nice to get a better look at the whole set.  Much like some of the comments when we first saw the individual trilogy sets, I find some of the characters chosen for the disc art a little bit odd.  Not that they aren't deserving, or even welcome, but out of six movies (plus the bonus discs) there isn't one sign of the "big three" of the OT (Luke, Han, Leia) or even the PT (Obi-Wan, Anakin, Padme).  That and it also seems odd that Darth Maul's mug isn't on the TPM disc (or any sign of a clone or Stormtrooper).  Again, minor things, and I'm buying them to watch them not look at the disc art, but it just seems like some odd choices.
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Jeff on July 19, 2011, 11:49 PM
Star Wars on Blu-Ray - there's an App for that (http://starwars.com/themovies/saga/earlyaccessapp/index.html), starting tomorrow (July 20th).

I will definitely be adding it to my iPad tomorrow. :)
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Jesse James on July 20, 2011, 01:29 AM
And I just got an iPhone...  How convenient.  ;D
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Ryan on July 20, 2011, 03:02 AM
Stupid Apple. Where's my Droid App Lucasfilm? You release an R2-D2 Droid phone and then release this app for iPad only? Ghey.
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Matt_Fury on July 21, 2011, 12:19 AM
I downloaded it on my iPad today.  Ihaven't been able to mess with it much but first impressions....you aren't missing much Ryan.
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Jeff on July 21, 2011, 02:24 PM
Yeah, it's a little underwhelming.  Looks like 3x features - one video, one super-detail prop pic, and one concept art piece - for each of the six movies.  Some neat stuff, but not as much as I was hoping for...
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Jayson on July 22, 2011, 04:37 AM
Deleted scene trailer (http://vimeo.com/26753597)  :o
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: TheSon on July 22, 2011, 08:14 AM
Cool, but are they going to be embedded in the films like the extended pod racing scene in tpm, or will it just be 45 seconds of the scenes we have seen grainy versions of already on YouTube? I am assuming that they will just be the clips on a separate disc, but seeing how I have purchased the ot movies at lest five times already. It would be nice to have the original releases, special editions, and vault editions with all of the deleted scenes added in, for example the waterfall scene from tpm that was edited for time and the magically hey look what we found scenes for the bluray release scenes. I would like to own these, but you know the 3d versions will be coming out a year at a time, and then in a special even better bluray/ 3d box set. If they wanted me to pull the tigger on this I think they need to go even more all out. Because if lucasfilm has taught me anything, if you wait you can spend h same amount of money or less later on and get even more. Someone please post an argument to buy these that will stand up iron clad to my wife's response of " you do not need another copy of those movies"
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: McMetal on July 22, 2011, 09:01 AM
Some of that stuff looked amazing, esp the Wampa shots. Hell yeah.

But why do those cut scenes LOOK so bad? It's like they filmed them all through a dirty shotglass on the worst quality film they could find.

I don't see why they can't use all the amazing technology that gives Bruce Willis the appearance of hair in his movies to actually make these resemble something other than a 1970's public school filmstrip.
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: TheSon on July 22, 2011, 03:23 PM
I had to go back again because I missed the wampa the first time chasing r2. I have to admit it looks more like a dark crystal character than a wampa.
 I guess mr. Lucas was not kidding when he did the special edition restoration that if he waited any longer the film would have been beyond repair. All it is missing, for anyone old enough, is the 4,3,2...at the beginning and I would have thought I was sitting on the gym floor. ;D
Great stuff.
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: iFett on July 22, 2011, 03:31 PM
So are they editing these scenes back in the movies or just special features?  Kinda dig the sandstorm scene when they're about to enter the Falcon for some reason.

I guess due to the quality no...so ya nevermind.
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Jayson on July 22, 2011, 03:32 PM
These will probably be extra feature and not edited back into the film.
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Jeff on July 22, 2011, 03:34 PM
I don't know why, but I love that lil fishy A-Wing Pilot - so cool that he's getting a figure too!
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Jayson on July 22, 2011, 03:35 PM
I don't know why, but I love that lil fishy A-Wing Pilot - so cool that he's getting a figure too!

Like  ;D
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Nicklab on July 22, 2011, 03:36 PM
I recall reading a comment from Mark Hammill that he has no recollection of shooting that lightsaber construction scene for ROTJ.

Definitely liking the Mon Cal A-Wing pilot though.  Very cool!
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: P-Siddy on July 22, 2011, 04:46 PM
I don't know why, but I love that lil fishy A-Wing Pilot - so cool that he's getting a figure too!

Like  ;D

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Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Jesse James on July 22, 2011, 09:00 PM
Holy ****, the running firefight in the Endor Bunker!?  Oh my.  :)

Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Nicklab on July 22, 2011, 10:31 PM
Hmmm.  They're only showing OT deleted scenes.  Would they actually go back and do the Droid Control Ship sequence from AOTC?
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Diddly on July 23, 2011, 02:05 AM
Well they went back and finished the Yoda lands on Dagobah scene for the ROTS DVD, so hopefully they will.

And man, that teaser has me even more pumped for the set.

Does anybody know if they filmed any ESB scenes with Vader and Palpatine's secretary? I can't remember his name but they mention him on the vintage Star Destroyer Playset. I think Vader talks to him via hologram before he speaks to Palpy. If they did, it'd be cool to see those make the BR.
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Matt on July 23, 2011, 09:00 AM
U.S. packaging

(http://i.imgur.com/XdAYq.jpg)
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: P-Siddy on July 23, 2011, 10:11 AM
Does anybody know if they filmed any ESB scenes with Vader and Palpatine's secretary? I can't remember his name but they mention him on the vintage Star Destroyer Playset. I think Vader talks to him via hologram before he speaks to Palpy. If they did, it'd be cool to see those make the BR.

That'd be Ars Dangor... he's presumed to be on the Death Star 2 in Jedi http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Ars_Dangor (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Ars_Dangor)
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Nicklab on July 23, 2011, 05:32 PM
From ROTJ there were scenes of Moff Jerjerrod getting stunned by the Emporer's Royal Guards.  THAT would be pretty awesome to see since all we've ever seen from them was getting knocked into walls by Yoda in ROTS.
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: P-Siddy on July 23, 2011, 07:08 PM
From ROTJ there were scenes of Moff Jerjerrod getting stunned by the Emporer's Royal Guards.  THAT would be pretty awesome to see since all we've ever seen from them was getting knocked into walls by Yoda in ROTS.

I agree. That would be cool.
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Jesse James on July 23, 2011, 09:31 PM
From ROTJ there were scenes of Moff Jerjerrod getting stunned by the Emporer's Royal Guards.  THAT would be pretty awesome to see since all we've ever seen from them was getting knocked into walls by Yoda in ROTS.

Actually it seems a lot of people figure that's actually a sequence where Vader's returning to the Death Star and demanding to see Palpatine even though he was ordered to the Command Ship, and Vader's actually forcing-up Jerjerrod in that scene, and the Royal Guards are drawing their weapons on Vader.  It fits with the, "I told you to remain on the command ship" line from Palpy.

Though them torturing Jerjerrod for fun would be an interesting sequence too I guess.  Jerjerrod was to have an expanded role somewhat though.

There's stuff shot of Jerjerrod commanding the Death Star's Super Laser crew during the battle, and ordering them to aim at Endor as a last ditch "F you" to the galaxy, of sorts.  There's pics of him in a command center similar to the one in ANH Tarkin was in when they nuked Alderaan.

ROTJ probably has the most cut stuff out of the entire OT.
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Diddly on July 25, 2011, 07:26 PM
Does anybody know if they filmed any ESB scenes with Vader and Palpatine's secretary? I can't remember his name but they mention him on the vintage Star Destroyer Playset. I think Vader talks to him via hologram before he speaks to Palpy. If they did, it'd be cool to see those make the BR.

That'd be Ars Dangor... he's presumed to be on the Death Star 2 in Jedi http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Ars_Dangor (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Ars_Dangor)

Found the dude I was talking about: Sate Pestage (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Sate_Pestage)

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The character of Sate Pestage, originally called Sate Molock, was meant to appear in the film The Empire Strikes Back. Molock first appeared in the second draft of the film, where he warns Darth Vader that the Emperor is in a bad mood before Vader reports the victory at Hoth. In the revised second draft, Molock was renamed Sate Pestage.

...

However, the film's shooting schedule says that the Pestage scene was shot on June 18, 1979, though it never made it into the movie's final cut. As the scene was filmed, an actor was evidently cast for Pestage, but it is not known who this was. Kenner toys even produced a Star Destroyer playset featuring a toy hologram apparently intended to be Sate Pestage. An enclosed instruction sheet reads, "Darth talks to the Grand Vizier with the pretend viewing screen."

Regardless, it's Vader talking to one of Palpatine's aides, which isn't anything special but it would still be cool to see.
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: P-Siddy on July 26, 2011, 03:38 PM
Does anybody know if they filmed any ESB scenes with Vader and Palpatine's secretary? I can't remember his name but they mention him on the vintage Star Destroyer Playset. I think Vader talks to him via hologram before he speaks to Palpy. If they did, it'd be cool to see those make the BR.

That'd be Ars Dangor... he's presumed to be on the Death Star 2 in Jedi http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Ars_Dangor (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Ars_Dangor)

Found the dude I was talking about: Sate Pestage (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Sate_Pestage)

Er, Oops, that's who I meant.  :-[
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Matt R. on July 28, 2011, 09:53 PM
I read there are going to be 45 deleted scenes on the blu-ray set.  The prequel dvds have 21 scenes altogether, so that is 24 scenes to get excited for.
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Matt on August 12, 2011, 02:27 PM
Star Wars Blu-Ray Trailer 2 (http://movies.yahoo.com/movie/1800121659/video/26262754)
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: JediJman on August 12, 2011, 03:51 PM
Star Wars Blu-Ray Trailer 2 (http://movies.yahoo.com/movie/1800121659/video/26262754)

Well crap.  Now I need to get a Blue Ray Player.
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Diddly on August 16, 2011, 01:46 AM
Any word/rumors on free goodies stores might be giving out on release day? I'd rather pre-order from Amazon but I'm holding out to see if there's anything good at retail.
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: TheSon on August 17, 2011, 06:09 PM
You can pre order on amazon up to the last day before it comes out. If there are any store specials they will likely be published in the Sunday paper ads the week before. I am waiting until at least then so I don't miss out on something that migh be worth a few extra dollars.
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Jayson on August 19, 2011, 02:52 PM
A list of rumored deleted scenes has hit the web (http://starwarsaficionado.blogspot.com/2011/08/star-wars-blu-ray-news-more-deleted.html).

Here's the info:

EPISODE I
Trash Talking Droids
The Battle Is Over
Anakin's Return
Battle On The Boarding Ramp
Extended Podrace Wager
Bail Organa of Alderaan

EPISODE II
Extended Speeder Chase
The Lost Twenty
Anakin's Nightmares
Anakin and Ruwee
Raid On The Droid Control Ship and Extended Arena Fight

EPISODE III
Elevator Antics
Escape The Hangar
Changes To The Constitution
Utapau Chase Animatics
Mustafar Duel Animatics
Mustafar Duel
Lava River Animatics
Kashyyyk Attack and Order 66 Animatic
Anakin kills Shaak Ti
Jedi Imposters at the Temple
Senate Duel Anamatic
Yoda Communes with Qui-Gon

EPISODE IV
Tosche Station
Old Woman on Tatooine
Aunt Beru's Blue Milk
The Search for R2-D2
Cantina Rough Cut
Stormtrooper Search
Darth Vader Widens the Search
Alternate Biggs and Luke Reunion

EPISODE V
Han and Leia: Extended Echo Base Argument
Luke's Recovery
Luke and Leia: Medical Center
Deleted Wampa Scenes
The Fate of General Veers
Yoda's Test
Hiding in the Asteroid
Alternate Han and Leia Kiss
Lobot's Capture
Leia Tends to Luke

EPISODE VI
Vader's Arrival and Reaching Out to Luke
Tatooine Sandstorm
Rebel Raid on the Bunker
Jerjerrod's Conflict
Battle of Endor: The Lost Rebels
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: P-Siddy on August 19, 2011, 03:16 PM
Trash Talking Droids

This was already released under Transformers 2. Skids and Mudflap.

Extended Speeder Chase

Extended? Wow! I thought the chase was long enough as it was. Good thing it was chopped down.

The others look pretty cool though. Especially the OT ones. I love that we'll see Veers' fate since it was pretty cool in the book (I think it was Zev though that took him out).
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Jesse James on August 19, 2011, 11:58 PM
Yeah there's actually stills people THINK are from that scene, but could've just been production stuff.  I can't wait to see that.  Little bummed they didn't list extended Hoth fighting, but the Rebel Raid on the Bunker on Endor is all kinds of awesome IMO.  Really gave the Rebels a little more screentime.
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Master_Phruby on August 20, 2011, 01:29 AM
Someone needs to crop this picture for their avatar.

(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-igHwnCt9Skw/Tk4tjrLxozI/AAAAAAAACzA/-YCcU0KjM5s/s400/MOFF+JERJERROD+CHOKE+scene.jpg)
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Scockery on August 20, 2011, 08:35 PM
I'm wondering where the alternate Office Duel is from ROTS, the one where Anakin was there the whole time and Palpatine used Anakin's lightsaber. It was in the near-final cut of the film long enough that, IIRC, Lucas called the actors back for a reshoot.
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Nicklab on August 21, 2011, 09:48 PM
Who did I see on the streets of NYC today, but none other than Liam Neeson!  It was cool seeing him, but I didn't get a chance to speak with him.  I hope he (Qui-Gon) gets a little more love from the BluRay deleted scenes for ROTS.
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Matt R. on August 21, 2011, 11:11 PM
I don't think we will see Qui-Gon, I think it is only his voice we hear.
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Matt on August 22, 2011, 12:41 AM
Some dude from Home Theater Forum was invited to Lucasland to check out Discs Five (ESB), Seven (Prequel Archives), and Eight (Original Archives), and the packaging. (http://www.hometheaterforum.com/t/314096/lucasfilm-on-star-wars-the-complete-saga-blu-ray-hands-on-report)

Of note (quotes from Kayleen Walters, Senior Director of LFL Marketing):

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As you know, Episode 4/5/6 underwent some significant digital restoration back in 2004.  We built off that work and we identified and restored issues down to the subtle defects in picture and sound.  Because the restorations in 2004 were really ahead of their time, most of the work that needed to be done on the original trilogy was just subtle, restorative touches, which included correction of blemishes, working on some images, dirt removal, and correcting of some side-effects from the optical compositing process.

We also tried to address some of those nit-picky errors, like in Empire Strikes Back when Luke is attached by the Wampa, and you can see the edge of the frame and you can see that the Wampa arm is attached to a puppeteer’s pole.  Well, we fixed that, so now it just looks like a Wampa arm altogether with no puppeteer pole.

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Other issues we address:  You know how things just look different when they go into HD or DVD, just by the nature of how the video treats the color space?  A perfect example is in 2004 with the light sabers, how in the original trilogy all of the light sabers sort of dimmed, you lost that really hot, white core.  Well, we went back and wanted to really be true to the original intention of the films, so we brightened up the light saber colors and we brought back that hot, white core that was original to the film.

(Vader's bubblegum saber is fixed!  Check out HTF for the screenshots.  Hopefully Luke's green saber on the Falcon is fixed, too.)

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Another thing, it’s not just the original trilogy that really benefited, the prequel trilogy benefited from this restoration process as well, especially Episode 1.   It was 1999 when Episode 1 was created; over 2000 visual effects were done, including digital animation, environments and digital compositing.  But the entire movie was captured on film, so when we went from film process into the DVD, a lot of the things from the DVD magnify the image of the film, and we lost about 8% of the picture there. With this restoration, we went back to the original digital files for Episode 1, not the film apps, to go through and really check every frame to make sure they were restosred.  We were also much more selective about minimizing that blow-up, so we have more of that image to see.

It sounds like the audio issues from the 2004 DVDs may also have been fixed.
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Jesse James on August 22, 2011, 02:05 AM
It sounds like the audio issues from the 2004 DVDs may also have been fixed.

This alone is worth the purchase to me...  That sound, good lord.
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: McMetal on August 22, 2011, 12:30 PM
ohfortheluvva...Anakin kills Shaak-Ti? What, does he dig her up after Grievous impales her in the opening minutes of ROTS?

Even Lucas' freaking cut scenes contradict each other, what an unholy mess.
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: P-Siddy on August 22, 2011, 12:36 PM
ohfortheluvva...Anakin kills Shaak-Ti? What, does he dig her up after Grievous impales her in the opening minutes of ROTS?

Actually, it was in the book adaptation.
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Matt on August 22, 2011, 12:41 PM
Bill Hunt of The Digital Bits also attended the Blu-ray preview (http://www.thedigitalbits.com/articles/starwarsbds/preview.html)

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Regarding the Original Trilogy films, I don't think it's quite accurate to say that these are simply the 2004 DVD masters recycled for Blu-ray. These films are NOT the 2004 versions. It would be more accurate to say that these are new 2011 Blu-ray versions. Let me be clear what I mean by that: It's accurate to say that these are probably built from the same negative scans that were done for the 2004 DVD release, at whatever resolution those were produced. (Note that I'm working to determine the exact resolution of the original digital masters of all the films - the resolution at which the restoration work for Blu-ray was done, and from which the final Blu-rays were mastered.) But I can tell you from first hand observation that many fixes and improvements have been made to these films.

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On the audio front, you will be very pleased to know that most of the audio complaints fans had about these films on DVD - about particularly Episode IV - have been addressed and fixed for Blu-ray. For example, many of you will recall that in the 2004 Episode IV DVD release, the music in the rear channels of the 5.1 mix was often reversed. (Credit to Bits reader Neil S. Bulk who first brought that issue to our attention back in 2004.) You should all be very be pleased to know that that's no longer the case. Finally... fixed!

The Supervising Sound Editor on the Blu-rays for Skywalker Sound, Matthew Wood, gave us a pretty detailed demonstration of the new 6.1 DTS-HD MA uncompressed audio mixes on these Blu-rays. (For those wondering why 6.1 and not 7.1, Matt said that 6.1 was chosen because it builds nicely on the 5.1 EX mixing work that was done for the Prequel films.) The first scene he showed us was the beginning of the assault on the Death Star at the end of Episode IV. Now, I suspect he showed us this scene for exactly the thing I noticed immediately upon previewing it. Some of you may recall that on the 2004 DVD, when the X-Wings begin their dive down to the Death Star, the familiar John Williams trumpet fanfare was buried in the mix so you could barely hear it. No longer! The trumpets ring true in the Blu-ray mix loud and clear. When I heard this, I couldn't help thrusting my arms up in the air in a bit of happy relief. I then turned to Matt, who as it happens was standing right next to me, and saw him give a little smile and nod - he knew exactly what I was reacting to. When I leaned over to thank him for fixing it, his simple reply made me smile as well: "Trust me, I read the blogs too..."

Matt and his team have been very careful to ensure that these new 6.1 DTS-HD MA uncompressed audio mixes reproduce in exacting detail the sonic experience of these films we all know and remember, albeit with the added quality and clarity that the latest lossless mastering technology can provide. Matt reported that the 6.1 mixing process for Episodes V, IV and the Prequels was relatively straightforward, because all of the original audio stems and elements were readily available and were well catalogued. For Episode IV, however, "getting it exactly right" required a rather extensive forensic effort, as this material just wasn't cataloged with future surround remixes in mind. In many cases, Matt and his team went back to original analog tape recordings made in 1976 to get the best quality of all the required elements. As a result, it's fair to say that the surround mix for Episode IV was almost completely rebuilt from scratch, with Matt comparing his work to the original print master to ensure its creative accuracy. And at every step of the way, director George Lucas and original sound supervisor Ben Burtt were consulted to ensure that the mix reproduced as closely as possible their original intent for the film's sonic experience. In fact, Matt says he played the film's reels many times for George, in 15-20 second chucks, to get his feedback.

That's not to say that there aren't new little tweaks here and there, but rest assured they're very subtle. A few additional audio details were apparently "added" into the mix as well. I put added in quotes, because in many cases these elements - mostly very subtle background sound effects and voices - were recorded back in 1976-77 for the original film and were even used in the original audio mix, but because of the poor state of the art for movie soundtracks at the time, nobody's ever really heard these things before.

In the scenes Matt sampled for us, the clarity, resolution and staging of what heard was really quite impressive. I have to say, talking with Matt was enormously reassuring. He just clearly gets it. He knows these films, and he loves them as much as anyone. He knows all the complaints fans have had with the 2004 DVD release and he made sure to correct them - to get them right at long last.

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Now, you'll recall that a little bit ago, I said these should probably be best considered new 2011 versions of these films, and not the 2004 DVD versions. All the fixes and corrections alone justify this in my opinion, but there's another reason too... and you can probably guess what it is: Once again, George has apparently added a few new "surprises" into these films. I don't know what they are and didn't get to see any of them on Friday, but I was assured that there will be "new things to notice" when we watch the films. I think we can safely assume that one of them will be the new all-digital Yoda in Episode I. Way back when Episode III was released on DVD, ILM digital effects supervisor Pablo Helman confirmed to me that the puppet Yoda in Episode I was replaced with a digital version to better match his appearance in Episodes II and III. In fact, the Episode III DVD extras includes a clip of the Episode I digital Yoda. However, this Blu-ray set is really the first opportunity we'll have to see it in full. What the other changes to these films may be, I have no idea, but I suspect there will be no lack of blog posts on this very subject within hours of the first discs becoming available to fans.

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will Episodes IV, V and VI look as good as more recent films that have had state-of-the-art negative scans of 4, 6 or even 8K resolution? No, probably not. It will obviously be easier to say for sure when the final product is in hand in a few weeks, and we all have some time to really go over it and live with it a bit. In any case, this is one of those issues over which personal opinions are going to vary widely. The takeaway here is this: These films will look notably better than they ever have before at home, on any home format, and most (if not all) of the A/V issues that have driven fans crazy over the years - particularly about the 2004 DVD release - should be fixed on these Blu-rays.

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Now then, let's move on to the extras. Is it really worth getting the Complete Saga set just to get the three extras discs? For me at least, the answer here is clear: Absolutely. Yes... I've now seen many of the Original Trilogy deleted scenes. No... I can't tell you much about them (believe me, that drives me as crazy as it does you). But I was pretty surprised by them and in a good way. What I can tell you is that they are substantial - at least for the Original Trilogy. This isn't just dribs and drabs stuff - it includes long sequences. And they're extremely cool. Frankly, for me this is the real draw of the entire BD release. As you've seen in some of the teaser clips Lucasfilm has released, they're not pristine, but most of them are in HD - at least the Original Trilogy clips. And trust me, they're well worth seeing. It's stuff some of you have wanted to see in good quality since 1977, along with a few things fans may not have known even existed.

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I have to say, I'm very encouraged by what I've seen so far with regard to these Blu-rays, and by the answers I've gotten to the questions I've asked about them. Like many of you, the last few DVD releases of these films have always left me... wanting. It just always felt like they were rushed somehow, and that all too many little important quality details just were overlooked. But this Blu-ray set feels very different. Finally, it appears that these films may have gotten the attention they deserve on home video at long last - especially the Original Trilogy. In fact, I think this may be the first time since that 1994 Definitive Edition laserdisc box set that the films have been so carefully handled, and that so many of the fan irritant A/V problems have been properly addressed. So can I say that this Blu-ray box set represents the "ultimate" release of the films on disc, or that these films will look absolutely perfect? No. But I think it's now possible for me to believe that Lucasfilm may - just may - have finally done these films fairly proud on disc. We'll see.
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Jesse James on August 22, 2011, 01:45 PM
Wow...  Just wow.

A lot of the OT stuff hasn't ever been seen by the way...  There's a lot of, "I know I've seen that!" type **** based on a still image, but stuff like the extra Rebel Pilots at Endor, the Bunker Assault, the Wampa Rampage, the Jerjerrod/Vader Smackdown, Veers' Death...  these things haven't ever been seen.  Much like the extended Hoth battle footage to match McQuarrie art, or the "tank".

It's been more Mos Eisley stuff that was available in one form or another, most of it first available on the Behind the Magic CD-ROM from the 90's.  I forget where I saw the alternate Cantina for the first time, but it was available in B&W too.  A documentary showed some of the goofier things that were shot for on the Death Star too while the heroes kind of just tried to pretend they weren't intruders and just walked past Imperials and stuff.

Otherwise, most of this stuff wasn't seen...  That's really neat to me.  It's like a nerd holy grail to finally see it.

It's funny how unimportant the Prequals are in all this stuff too...  "Ani kills Shaak Ti?  Oh that's nice, so anyway how about that one sequence in ESB that was in the novel but not on film..."    ;)

Don't get me wrong, I am interested in the footage for the prequals, but it's just so far removed from the stuff I give a **** about that it'll just be fun when I get around to it.  I'm going right for the OT scenes.

And the fact Hasbro's making that Mon Cal pilot...  Man, that is all kinds of awesome.  I knew of the cut pilots, or at least some of them, but the Mon Cal guy is a surprise, and it really makes me wonder who/what else makes the cut now.
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: P-Siddy on August 22, 2011, 02:31 PM
You know sooner or later the OT Puppet Yoda totally replaced by a CGI one since they did that to TPM Yoda. And the Animatic versions of deleted scenes will be fully developed.
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Jesse James on August 22, 2011, 02:39 PM
I dont' know about that...  I don't see Lucas tinkering with the original Trilogy Yoda at this point.  TPM was dismal looking, but OT Yoda really wasn't.  I think this is one of those things he won't touch, but that's me.
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Diddly on August 22, 2011, 02:41 PM
Jesse, I agree completely, and it seems Lucasfilm does too, hence the reviewing embargo on the deleted scenes. Yeah it's nice to have all of this PT stuff but I know the first thing I'm going to do when I get the set is watch the OT deleted scenes. Like you said, outside of Tosche Station and some of the Cantina stuff, the most we've seen of this material are stills or seconds of footage. Whereas with the PT, we were all on the Internet when they were being made so we've pretty much seen all of that stuff anyway, just in unfinished form.
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Matt on August 22, 2011, 03:12 PM
I dont' know about that...  I don't see Lucas tinkering with the original Trilogy Yoda at this point.  TPM was dismal looking, but OT Yoda really wasn't.  I think this is one of those things he won't touch, but that's me.

Yeah, no way they'll ever "officially" replace the original puppet with a CGI version.  It'd be disrespectful to Stuart Freeborn, Frank Oz, and everybody else who helped bring him to life.

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"After Frank Oz did Empire Strikes Back, I tried to get him nominated for an Academy Award; but we heard back that the Academy doesn't consider puppetry to be an art.  I think it is an art - and Yoda represents the highest level of that art."

- George Lucas

That being said, I wouldn't put it past LFL to digitally tweak him a little, to get his lips/mouth to match up to the dialogue better.  Like Adywan did. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QRH1yzUCSFg)
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: JediJman on August 22, 2011, 03:48 PM
Yeah, no way they'll ever "officially" replace the original puppet with a CGI version.  It'd be disrespectful to Stuart Freeborn, Frank Oz, and everybody else who helped bring him to life.


Send that arguement straight to Jeremy Bulloch or even Sebastian Shaw.   ;)  I think the key here is that OTC Yoda doesn't look bad and doesn't need replacing.  He's much older than the first three films, so its more important to tie those three together.  I wouldn't put anything past Lucas's tweaking though - you never know what he's going to do the next time they release something.
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Matt on August 22, 2011, 04:16 PM
Send that arguement straight to Jeremy Bulloch or even Sebastian Shaw.   ;)

Point taken on Shaw but you'll have to refresh my memory on what Jeremy Bulloch has to do with this topic.
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: JediJman on August 22, 2011, 08:14 PM
Send that arguement straight to Jeremy Bulloch or even Sebastian Shaw.   ;)

Point taken on Shaw but you'll have to refresh my memory on what Jeremy Bulloch has to do with this topic.

Whoops, guess that response would make more sense if I said Jason Wingreen.   :-[
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Scockery on August 23, 2011, 09:10 PM
Yeah, no way they'll ever "officially" replace the original puppet with a CGI version.  It'd be disrespectful to Stuart Freeborn, Frank Oz, and everybody else who helped bring him to life.


Send that arguement straight to Jeremy Bulloch or even Sebastian Shaw.   

Bulloch never got axed, it was the guy who did Boba Fett's original voice, Jason Wingreen, that got replaced.
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Matt on August 24, 2011, 12:46 AM
New YouTube clip of digital Yoda in Episode I (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ywoUBV_pOiI)
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Jesse James on August 24, 2011, 12:55 PM
Nice improvement...  Kind of makes the TPM Yoda figures a bit of a novelty now too, with their goofy Ben Franklin hair.
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Orangepeace on August 24, 2011, 01:16 PM
 :o :o :o :o :o :o :oSo much, so much, so much Bettttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttteeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeerrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Master_Phruby on August 24, 2011, 04:06 PM
That is the footage they used in Star Wars in Concert last year. Hopefully it is changed in the entire movie.
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Jeff on August 24, 2011, 04:39 PM
Nice improvement...  Kind of makes the TPM Yoda figures a bit of a novelty now too, with their goofy Ben Franklin hair.

Guess that means it's time to add the new "CGI Yoda" resculpt to my TPM Wishlist.  :D
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Master_Phruby on August 24, 2011, 04:41 PM
Oh please! Must we?
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Matt on August 24, 2011, 05:18 PM
Hopefully Luke's green saber on the Falcon is fixed, too.)

SW.com: The Best on Blu-ray: Restoring the Star Wars Saga for the HD Generation (http://www.starwars.com/news/saga_bluray_restoration/index.html)

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The older films of Episode IV, V and VI required special care and attention. Already, for the 2004 release, the movies underwent significant digital restoration to have them align with George Lucas' vision of the six Star Wars movies being a single, seamless presentation. However, that is not to say that that work done for the 2004 release was simply ported over to Blu-ray.

"It went through three phases of QC (quality control) processes," describes Diane Caliva, Production Manager for Media Operations at ILM. "In addition to Lucasfilm reviewing, there were outside companies hired as well. The first was Blu-focus/THX QCing our masters. Then it went through Deluxe and their QC process. And at last was the emulation phase, by the Deluxe team . We would get 'kickback notes', and then Dorne and our team we would assess the shots, and go in and clean up the files."

The copious QC notes would identify subtle defects in the picture and sound. Most of the work done on Episodes IV, V and VI are subtle restorative touches -- the correction of blemishes and warping on the image, dirt removal from old transfers and such. Side-effects of the optical compositing process -- like the gray "garbage matte" boxes that occasionally surround the TIE fighters of Episode IV, for example, were reviewed on a case-by-case basis. And, like Episode I, there would be a few surprises that had remained hidden in the movies for decades.

A longstanding picture error that occurs during the TIE fighter attack on the Millennium Falcon was finally fixed. Right before Han nails the last TIE fighter dogging his ship, his laser blasts zap into the empty spaces between the TIE's wings. But as the TIE flies toward camera, nearly a third of the frame has been left black and empty. "It has always been missing," says Huebler. "Looking at it, what I think we were seeing was an image that had been flopped way back at the time, and you were seeing off into the soundtrack area [of the frame]. Because it was star-fields on black, it was subtle enough that it didn't catch people's eye. That one was kind of fun to do: we tracked in a star-field to match, and extended the laser-fire so it didn't get chopped off."

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There are a handful of such technical shot corrections in addition to the cleanups throughout the films. For The Empire Strikes Back, there was less work required, but one nitpicky error has been addressed. The very edge of frame makes it evident that the wampa arm that attacks Luke is mounted on a puppeteer's arm. This has been corrected.

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"Some of the issues come from these movies being finished for film and projected for film, and that's how people saw them. A lot of things that look a little different on HD or DVD are really the nature of how video treats color space," explains Huebler. A dramatic example of this came up in the 2004 DVD release, with the dimming of the lightsaber cores throughout the trilogy, even to the point where Luke's lightsaber aboard the Millennium Falcon shifted from blue to green in Episode IV.

"We're trying to get back to the intention of the original film experience," says Huebler. "That's really what's going on with the lightsabers. You want that hot white core, and it was just right for film, but on video, that was dampened."

Issues such as these have been corrected, most notably in Return of the Jedi, when Luke and Vader's lightsabers cross in front of the Emperor's face. With the blades dimmed, the hand-animated nature of the lightsabers became too apparent, and the sabers failed to register properly at their intersection point.

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Revisiting the lightsabers in Return of the Jedi gave ILM the opportunity to fix a longstanding visual defect from the 1983 release. During the filming of Jedi, there was something unsatisfactory about the final close-ups of the Emperor -- something objectionable about the way Ian McDiarmid's makeup looked or the light played on the side of his hood. So, George Lucas opted to "fix it in post," a risky move in the pre-digital days. A hand-animated shadow was drawn during all of the Emperor's close-up, an odd black blob that danced on the edge of his cowl.

In the theatrical release, the light of the darkened theater experience did not make these blobs look too apparent, but the eventual home video release of Episode VI made them very obvious. Home televisions couldn't be calibrated as finely to hide these animated shadows, and many viewers who watched and rewatched Return of the Jedi on VHS or DVD couldn't help but notice what came to be nicknamed in the fan community "the Emperor's slugs." These visual defects have been eliminated with a digital shadow that better matches the surrounding frame.

"When you're reviewing shots as they were meant to be in a theater in real-time, you don't see these things," says Caliva. "But now that people have Blu-ray and they can go frame-by-frame, you see more issues."

"There is a lot of what ends up being 'invisible' fixes," agrees Huebler. "That's the goal: when it's invisible that you don't notice that something glitched or there was a mistake. That could be very challenging to get to, as each one has its own creative decisions."
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Matt on August 24, 2011, 05:27 PM
Quote
"Some of the issues come from these movies being finished for film and projected for film, and that's how people saw them. A lot of things that look a little different on HD or DVD are really the nature of how video treats color space," explains Huebler. A dramatic example of this came up in the 2004 DVD release, with the dimming of the lightsaber cores throughout the trilogy, even to the point where Luke's lightsaber aboard the Millennium Falcon shifted from blue to green in Episode IV.

"We're trying to get back to the intention of the original film experience," says Huebler. "That's really what's going on with the lightsabers. You want that hot white core, and it was just right for film, but on video, that was dampened."

This is complete LFL bull****, by the way.  The colors on the 2004 DVDs look the way they do because that's how Lucas wanted them to look.

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Perhaps because of the fact that Lucas had lost all of his color-work, he embarked on a new principle--instead of faithfully reproducing the look of the original release and photography, as had been the case on the previous re-release, it could be digitally manipulated to have a slicker look that matched the high-saturation, high-contrast look of the three prequels.

The 2004 SE (it has never been marketed as a Special Edition, though there really is no other label to describe it) had its color correction guided and supervised by George Lucas himself. [38] Screening the film at Skywalker Ranch, Lucas went through the film with members from ILM, who would be color-timing the digitized film themselves at Lucas' approval. [39]

This is one of the most controversial aspects of the release. While the revised film obviously is meant to have a deliberate look, what was released is a sloppy mess, in technical terms; blacks are crushed, colors bleed and pop distractingly, video noise is visible because of the oversaturation, skin tones are inconsistent and often very pink, scenes have weird casts to them (i.e. the Millennium Falcon scenes look very green), everything is much too dull and dim, contrast is not nominal, and many of the lightsaber effects are the wrong color (pink for Vader, green for Luke). The coloring is not even consistent with the prequels in some instances, whereas the originals were--for instance, the original blockade runner scene was meant to be Kubrick-esque bright white, while on the 2004 release it is a dull blue, yet strangely in Revenge of the Sith it is the bright white it is supposed to be. Lowry is often mistakenly pointed at as the culprits of these highly noticeable flaws, but in fact it is Lucas himself.


Saving Star Wars: The Special Edition Restoration Process and its Changing Physicality (http://secrethistoryofstarwars.com/savingstarwars.html)
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Scott on August 24, 2011, 10:30 PM
Wow...that looks great and way to call bull**** Matt :P
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Jesse James on August 24, 2011, 10:54 PM
LFL lying to us!?  It's hard to believe they'd completely BS their way through anything.
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: EpicGon on August 25, 2011, 11:37 AM
I think CGI Yoda is an acceptable change, the puppet has a very hard expression, they softened Yoda´s face to match eps 2 and 3.

Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Matt on August 26, 2011, 02:56 PM
I think CGI Yoda is an acceptable change, the puppet has a very hard expression, they softened Yoda´s face to match eps 2 and 3.

Yes, they did.
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Matt on August 26, 2011, 02:57 PM
Any opinions on this inner artwork?

(http://i.imgur.com/7Xrws.jpg)
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: P-Siddy on August 26, 2011, 04:32 PM
It's okay. A lot like the TAC coin album, which I think works well. Seems quite PT heavy for characters. Would have been nice to see the other ESB bounty hunters, Cantina patrons, Jabba's palace. Of course, this picture has been cropped down, too, so maybe they are on there and didn't make the cut.
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Jayson on August 26, 2011, 04:37 PM
It's a repro of Tsuneo Sanda's art (http://sandaworld.com/arts/anniversary/l4.jpg) from the 30th Anniversary.
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Scott on August 26, 2011, 04:42 PM
How did one of Sebulba's whores make it onto the picture?  For real?

(http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20061129143739/starwars/images/d/d5/AnnGella.jpg)
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: P-Siddy on August 26, 2011, 06:31 PM
I noticed that, too. A Twilek with no dialogue and in the movie for a brief few seconds gets in, yet the better looking Aayla Secura doesn't. 

And if she can make it, then the Tonikka Sisters better be getting some figure time.
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Diddly on August 27, 2011, 02:16 AM
Looks pretty bad to me. Time to learn to use Photoshop and make my own covers.
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Matt R. on August 27, 2011, 03:41 AM
Even here, no love for Wedge
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Nicklab on August 27, 2011, 11:44 AM
Any opinions on this inner artwork?

(http://i.imgur.com/7Xrws.jpg)

Not loving this.  It looks a little....amateurish.
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Jesse James on August 27, 2011, 07:31 PM
It's not too shabby.
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: speedermike on August 27, 2011, 08:39 PM
I don't mind that piece, but I've seen some of the other illos and some of them are pure crap.  And, yes, I can say that as a professional illustrator.

What confuses me about Lucasfilm's choices is that they have so much amazing stuff in their archives, why create new, weak, stuff?  The front of the box alone is a terrible, terrible drawing.  I'm really not sure what they were going for.
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Jayson on August 29, 2011, 05:17 PM
Why is Wicket represented twice?  ::)
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: iFett on August 29, 2011, 05:30 PM
Wicket Rocks!  Yub Nub!  I would have preferred a log somewhere in there, but that's just me. 

The jawas look like lil demons.
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Jesse James on August 29, 2011, 07:44 PM
I like how Palpatine looks like he's giving a thumbs up for no reason.
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: P-Siddy on August 29, 2011, 09:42 PM
I like how Palpatine looks like he's giving a thumbs up for no reason.

Maybe now we know where the other one is and why Jar Jar's smiling.
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Jeff on August 29, 2011, 10:05 PM
Why is Wicket represented twice?  ::)

Because it's a horrible photoshop chop-up that's why.  When I checked out the link you put up earlier (http://sandaworld.com/arts/anniversary/l4.jpg), I was really surprised at just how much they resized and moved some of the characters around...  very stupid.  Like someone already said, with all the art they have at LFL, this is the best they came up with for the blu-ray box?  ::)

Here's that original for those too lazy to click...
(http://www.jedidefender.com/news/images/8-11/sanda.jpg)

And on another note - why the hell does Leia look like something off a Richard James (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aphex_Twin) album cover?  ???
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Jayson on August 29, 2011, 10:46 PM
Geez, they did butcher that original art.
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Diddly on August 29, 2011, 11:25 PM
The more I look at the packaging, the more I dislike it. I'm sure someone will make some matching photoshopped covers based on the original movie posters or something, and I'll just download those.
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: TheSon on August 29, 2011, 11:32 PM
Best buy has started the courting process by adding an episode I esc. Film piece with purchase. I will still wait for someone else to up the ante.
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Jayson on August 30, 2011, 02:03 AM
This would have been a better center spread (http://www.dan-dare.org/Dan%20Saber/StarWarsWallpaper1024.htm):

(http://www.dan-dare.org/Dan%20Saber/StarWarsWallpaper1024.jpg)
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Matt on August 30, 2011, 04:24 AM
And on another note - why the hell does Leia look like something off a Richard James (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aphex_Twin) album cover?  ???

Photoshop wiith the Leia bikini, stat!

(http://i.imgur.com/HCs3Q.jpg)
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Matt on August 30, 2011, 01:42 PM
Oh God.  Some of the discs have leaked online and people that have seen them are saying that Luke's saber on the Falcon is still green.

And in a change that absolutely no one was asking for, Wicket now has blinking, CGI eyes for some reason.

And apparently Vader now yells "no" at the end of Jedi when The Emperor is cooking Luke.

Oh my *****.
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: iFett on August 30, 2011, 01:47 PM
And apparently Vader now yells "no" at the end of Jedi when The Emperor is cooking Luke.

Oh my *****.

Ish.  Is it the same NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! from ROTS?  Bletch.  That'll definitely ruin that scene for me.
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Matt on August 30, 2011, 03:05 PM
And apparently Vader now yells "no" at the end of Jedi when The Emperor is cooking Luke.

Oh my *****.

Ish.  Is it the same NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! from ROTS?  Bletch.  That'll definitely ruin that scene for me.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGaSxSuB2vY

Skywalker Sound Engineers Confirm They’ve Remixed Star Wars Again – For Blu-ray? 3D Theatrical? (http://www.bleedingcool.com/2010/07/04/skywalkers-sound-engineers-confirm-theyve-remixed-star-wars-again-for-blu-ray-3d-theatrical/)

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Star Wars sound engineers Matt Wood and David Acord have spoken to this week’s ForceCast. Chiefly, they were chatting in a rather specific and delightfully nerdy manner about a single detail of the original Star Wars soundtrack, debating whether or not Obi Wan’s scary roar was borrowed from a Hanna-Barbera cartoon called Dino Boy. However, at the end of the segment, they revealed the following:

    And, to be honest, that sound effect has been changed again. So at some point the audiences will be hearing that scene again with the new sound effect.

At some point, unspecified, in the future. Intriguing. Here’s another quote on the new version of the effect:

    [We] decided it should sound even more human. And the human it does sound like… yeah, we’ll talk about that another time.

New Krayt Dragon on YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0EUjobdavw)

What is this I don't even
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: P-Siddy on August 30, 2011, 03:16 PM
Ugh, I just think every time they release Star Wars, they have to tinker with it. By the time we die, there will be at least 500+ different releases.
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: darth broem 2 on August 30, 2011, 05:18 PM
I read these are some of the changes.  They may or may not be right.  We will find out later I suppose. 

1) Heard they replaced Shaw's head with Hayden's for the Vader helmet removal in Jedi.  If so that does suck.  But it makes sense since they already changed the Spirit of Anakin for the last release using Hayden's head.  I guess they will claim that the mask makes Anakin's head not age?  LOL.  I don't know?

2) The Krayt Dragon yell is apparently changed again to try and sound more "human" from the last DVD release.  The person reported that it did not sound good.  Eh, we'll see. 

3) Like it was mentioned already apparently Luke's lightsaber is still green on the Falcon.  If that is true that one is really annoying considering that the official website posted a picture showing it back to blue? 

4) Wicket's eyes are changed to CGI.  I don't get the point of that change?  Did he change the eyes on every puppet now?  I doubt it.  So, why just Wicket?  Did they change the eyes on every Ewok? 

5) Greedo TIES Han's blaster shot.  Han still flinches.  So, technically neither shoots first.  LOL.  Wow!  Ok Lucas. 

That is all I have read from the internet today.  I am not saying any of it is true or untrue. 

Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: P-Siddy on August 30, 2011, 05:31 PM
Surprised the Ewoks are CGI now.

Well, if Wicket's eyes are true, then now Hasbro will have to reissue all the Ewoks with their new colored eyes (if all are green).
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Jimree on August 30, 2011, 06:15 PM
Listen to that krayt Dragon yell someone posted.

It is HILARIOUS. its like, i want it as my ringtone hahaha

Jim
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Jesse James on August 30, 2011, 07:54 PM
That may be able to be arranged easily.

Wow...  Well, ok, of the two things posted, I could PROBABLY live with the "No", but the Krayt yell is dismal.

Ewok eyes...  Ok, whatever.

Han/Greedo...  **** it man, that's been dead to me since the first change.

Shaw replaced with Christansen, again, sucks.

Luke's saber...  I don't f'n care enough.

Weird...  Just weird.

Why can't they do the stuff I'd LIKE to see, like add more ships to battles and things?  They intended the battles to be bigger and couldn't pull it off the right way, so why not do stuff like that?  Is replacing Shaw that big a deal?  Is Han being a ***** now really how you wanted to portray him?  Blah.
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Captain Piet on August 30, 2011, 08:31 PM
These are hardly confirmed. I grain of salt, perhaps?
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Nicklab on August 30, 2011, 08:44 PM
Listen to that krayt Dragon yell someone posted.

It is HILARIOUS. its like, i want it as my ringtone hahaha

Jim

OMFG, that sounded so ridiculous!
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Jayson on August 30, 2011, 09:27 PM
Sebastian Shaw hasn't been replaced (http://img850.imageshack.us/img850/5020/millenniumfalconbluray1.png).
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Jayson on August 30, 2011, 09:45 PM
R2 is now hiding behind a rock after Luke is attacked. (http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/9888/r2newshots.jpg)
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: MisterPL on August 30, 2011, 09:47 PM
And apparently Vader now yells "no" at the end of Jedi when The Emperor is cooking Luke.

God damn Lucas and his "repeating operatic themes." I have to wonder what his bull**** excuse for this one is. I'm fairly certain they had the ******* technology back in the 80's to get James Earl Jones to say, "No!"
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Carpeteria3000 on August 30, 2011, 10:45 PM
The CG Ewok eyes look fine, and not overly CG at all.

The rest, wow. Not surprised at all, but wow.

There's also this weird Burns effecty door pan at Jabba's palace:  (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0BoOsNnsfsk[/url)
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Jayson on August 30, 2011, 11:10 PM
Dug inserted into Jabba's palace (http://on.fb.me/n3OK94)
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Jesse James on August 30, 2011, 11:12 PM
That's going to a dead link for me Jayson, but the text is interesting...  I'm not totally against it, actually.  I kind of wish they'd try to put some OT aliens into the PT, actually, to balance that out a bit.  How many Cantina aliens would be neat to see in Mos Espa, or inserted into Coruscant street scenes some?  They seemed kind of sparse.

Some of this stuff I'm not against...  Other stuff, eh, it's tough to justify it much less like it.
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Jayson on August 30, 2011, 11:14 PM
That's going to a dead link for me Jayson, but the text is interesting...  I'm not totally against it, actually.  I kind of wish they'd try to put some OT aliens into the PT, actually, to balance that out a bit.  How many Cantina aliens would be neat to see in Mos Espa, or inserted into Coruscant street scenes some?  They seemed kind of sparse.

Some of this stuff I'm not against...  Other stuff, eh, it's tough to justify it much less like it.

The link works if you logged into FB as a reg. user and not as a "Page". (If you have a FB account that is.)
(http://a6.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/s720x720/318409_10150302423819932_679874931_7518249_4421595_n.jpg)
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Jesse James on August 30, 2011, 11:33 PM
Thanks Jayson...  Yeah, no FB for me.  :-\  I'm the last of 3.

I actually kind of like how he looks there.  Annoyed if they then say he's Sebulba though.

Not every alien can have a lifespan like Yoda.  that's BS.
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Carpeteria3000 on August 30, 2011, 11:33 PM
Jesus that's lame. Lucas is just out of his mind.
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: ruiner on August 30, 2011, 11:44 PM
Somebody on the inside needs to grow some balls and stand up to him about these changes.
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: ysalamir on August 31, 2011, 12:41 AM
Why not add a Dug? Then one more Jabba's Denizens action figure to sell.  ::)

What I would actually like to see is an alternate optional version of each movie with all the deleted scenes added to the movie in their respective timelines. Like the sandstorm scene added to ROTJ, the Wampa attack added to ESB, etc. etc. without having to go to a "deleted scenes" section. Like an "add deleted scenes to movie" a very editable Blue Ray, or is this already included?

I suppose I would have to edit my own movies to have something like that.

Any info we might be getting any Biggs academy deleted scenes?
   
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Matt_Fury on August 31, 2011, 12:48 AM
I hope that the Darth Vader "No" is false...it sounds like the pulled the "NNNNOOOOOO" from ROTS.

The clip of the "new Krayt Dragon" scream is kinda funny....if it's in the movie, I'll take the Blu Ray set to George Lucas' house and personally shove it right up his fat ass.

The blinking Ewoks doesn't bother me too much.  Adywan made all the cantina aliens' eyes blink and it looked pretty good.  honestly, I just wish Lucas would pay Adywan and put his version on the Blu Ray...and add the extended Alderaan destruction scene.
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Diddly on August 31, 2011, 01:55 AM
Oh God, these edits are all so, so, sooooo bad dude.

That Krayt yell... that HAS to be fake, right? No way something that awful makes the final cut. It's hilarious though, and I'm totally stealing Jim's idea and making it my ringtone.
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Jayson on August 31, 2011, 07:05 AM
Han has a new unthawing effect in ROTJ
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: P-Siddy on August 31, 2011, 08:14 AM
Han has a new unthawing effect in ROTJ

I hope Lucas didn't go this route.

(http://seattlest.com/attachments/seattle_james/toht.jpg)
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Darth_Anton on August 31, 2011, 08:50 AM
I still don't have a Blue Ray player and after hearing about the tinkering, I'm no longer tempted to look into getting one.
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: McMetal on August 31, 2011, 08:56 AM
Don't care about Ewok eyes or saber colors, but I utterly reject any changes that actually impact the plot or original continuity.

I never want to see Hayden Jackoff in ANYTHING OT. To quote the Simpsons " You ruined everything! Ruiner!"

You cannot add the NOOOO to that scene in ROTJ, it detracts from the overall emotional impact of that scene, which was perfect as it existed originally.

And I will never, ever let that Han shoots first thing go. Single worst thing Lucas has ever done in his entire professional career. THEY DID NOT SHOOT AT THE SAME TIME! Dude just does not get it.

F-these sets if Han doesn't shoot first.
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Master_Phruby on August 31, 2011, 09:48 AM
I like the comments given on youtube for the kryte dragon yell.

"Sand people are notoriously scared of flamboyant homosexuals."

"Actually, this is true to George's real vision for Star Wars. He had always intended for Obi-Wan to be a flaming homosexual, but the studios just wouldn't allow it..."
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Jeff on August 31, 2011, 09:50 AM
I utterly reject any changes that actually impact the plot or original continuity.

I disagree - if anything, I think they should make more changes to the OT -

- forget that iconic furenal pyre at the end of Jedi, I want to see Vader live and put on the sweet white armor!
- forget the heroic escape from doom, I want to see Wedge, Lando, and the Falcon go up in flames with DS2!
- forget Han shoots first, let's swap out the guns for cell phones and Han can just sneak away when Greedo is distracted by his ringing phone!
- forget Luke's one-in-a-millon shot to blow up DS1, swap in bumbling X-Wing Pilot JarJar Binks who accidentally makes the shot instead!
- forget Jedi Luke's lame convoluted rescue plot, lets get the goddamned Batman into the picture to rescue Carbonite Han!

#suggestionsforlucas

Now we're talking about a great set of movies...  >:D
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: P-Siddy on August 31, 2011, 10:04 AM
- forget Luke's one-in-a-millon shot to blow up DS1, swap in bumbling X-Wing Pilot JarJar Binks who accidentally makes the shot instead!

Score!

Mesa oopsee bang bang kerblamo death star!
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Brian on August 31, 2011, 10:05 AM
Wow.  I guess, knowing George, we all expected more changes here and there to some extent - but I'm kind of surprised with some of these.  Honestly, I don't think I'd mind changes/insertions/etc. to the prequels, but like many others, I sort of wish he'd just leave the OT alone at this point.  Like Jesse mentioned earlier, if anything - add ships to the space battles or things like that.  I guess I don't mind things like a dug in the back of Jabba's Palace or things like that, but the new "no" line in ROTJ, the blinking ewoks, etc. just seem unnecessary.

I'm almost surprised (although there hasn't really been news on the PT) that we aren't seeing some CW characters get inserted into those movies in some way (Ahsoka, Cad Bane, or just one of the other species in the background).  Like I said, I don't mind him changing things here and there in the PT as much - and some places (like the Coruscant Night Club for instance) could use more interesting aliens I think.  I wonder if there will be even more changes for the 3D releases, or if it will be the same as these.  I've always given George the benefit of the doubt, but if this new "no" scene is in ROTJ - after all the jokes about the ROTS one - it almost seems like he's trying to get fans worked up.
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Matt on August 31, 2011, 12:23 PM
Any word/rumors on free goodies stores might be giving out on release day? I'd rather pre-order from Amazon but I'm holding out to see if there's anything good at retail.

Buy any of the Blu-rays at Walmart and you'll also take home a poster of this gorgeous and not-at-all-ridiculous Star Wars artwork.

(http://i.imgur.com/TlZcr.jpg)
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: iFett on August 31, 2011, 12:40 PM
Is Lucas going to turn these movies into comedies  ???  I'm going to be pissed if I see JarJar ANYWHERE in the OT
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Brian on August 31, 2011, 02:14 PM
Any word/rumors on free goodies stores might be giving out on release day? I'd rather pre-order from Amazon but I'm holding out to see if there's anything good at retail.

Buy any of the Blu-rays at Walmart and you'll also take home a poster of this gorgeous and not-at-all-ridiculous Star Wars artwork.

(http://i.imgur.com/TlZcr.jpg)

It sure seems like the store exclusives this time around have been lame or non-existant.  Maybe we will see something else closer to release, but all I've heard of so far is film cell things and this artwork.  It seems like building this up as one of the biggest blu ray releases so far would merit some sort of spiffy packaging or bonus.  I've got one preordered on Amazon, but if one of the local stores can come closer to the same price I'll probably just buy it there.  So far, nothing I've heard of sounds too great though.
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Matt on August 31, 2011, 02:47 PM
These are hardly confirmed. I grain of salt, perhaps?

Realer than Real Deal Holyfield.

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On Wednesday, a press representative for Lucasfilm confirmed that this change will be included in the Blu-ray release, writing in an email: “Yes—Darth says NO.”

New York Times: Lucasfilm Confirms Change to Blu-ray Release of ‘Return of the Jedi’ (http://artsbeat.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/08/31/lucasfilm-confirms-change-to-blu-ray-release-of-return-of-the-jedi/?src=tp)
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Matt R. on August 31, 2011, 03:13 PM
I hope it is not true about Hayden's face when Luke takes off Vader's Mask.  One of the greatest scenes SW saga is now ruined with one little word. ugh :'(
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Jayson on August 31, 2011, 03:41 PM
I hope it is not true about Hayden's face when Luke takes off Vader's Mask.  One of the greatest scenes SW saga is now ruined with one little word. ugh :'(

Sebastian Shaw hasn't been replaced (http://img850.imageshack.us/img850/5020/millenniumfalconbluray1.png).
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Diddly on August 31, 2011, 04:21 PM
I like the comments given on youtube for the kryte dragon yell.

"Sand people are notoriously scared of flamboyant homosexuals."

"Actually, this is true to George's real vision for Star Wars. He had always intended for Obi-Wan to be a flaming homosexual, but the studios just wouldn't allow it..."

My personal favs:

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Now we know what sound Gary Busey makes when he masturbates

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Sandpeople: HOLY ****! RUN BEFORE LUCAS CHANGES US TOO!
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Matt on August 31, 2011, 04:40 PM
From some shitheel's blog:

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"Yes, the updates are confirmed. We hope fans will wait to see for themselves how they fit into the Saga before making any judgments."
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Orangepeace on August 31, 2011, 05:02 PM
 >:( Boycott! Boycott! Boycott! Boycott! Let Lucas sit in his mass produced junk. I'd rather watch my unaltered VHS versions over and over again till they sputter out. ;)
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Matt_Fury on August 31, 2011, 05:05 PM
Is there a way I could just get the bonus materials disc?
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: EpicGon on August 31, 2011, 05:11 PM
I don´t like the dug insertion >:(

Some spaces like the stairway needed to be empty to appreciate it.

It´s dumb

It is like Homer from Greece tries to remake his Odisey.

"Homer the greek blind aedo realised that the 40 pretenders for Penelope were very few
for that exciting scene, and he decided to include a minotaurus, a Centaurus and a baby Lestrogon (species of giant) to fill better the palace."

Guys, Lucas has missed the shot this time.

The Noo from Vader is unnecesary, quite disgusting. Dialogue is taken as granted in the Ot Versions. This
Nooo! and the cry spoil the mistery and the majesty of the classic scene.

I am in favor of some scenes from archive and alternate takes, like Jerjerood force choked.
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: iFett on August 31, 2011, 05:38 PM
I think I remember folk saying this back in 04, but I hope there's a way to watch the original movies in some shape or form - or maybe if they just put the tweaks in the special features so we can all laugh at them there instead of throughout the movies?

ROTJ was the first movie I ever saw in theatres so this NoOOO NOOOOOOO! thing just really bugs me.   :(   I hope we don't see Vader crying after he gets fryed having flashbacks to Padme after saving Luke.

I'm sure there's more insanity to follow.
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Scockery on August 31, 2011, 05:58 PM
Any word/rumors on free goodies stores might be giving out on release day? I'd rather pre-order from Amazon but I'm holding out to see if there's anything good at retail.

Buy any of the Blu-rays at Walmart and you'll also take home a poster of this gorgeous and not-at-all-ridiculous Star Wars artwork.

(http://i.imgur.com/TlZcr.jpg)

After seeing this, Standard and Poors lowered Star Wars' merchandise rating to "bad unicorn paintings", just a notch above "dollar store ceramic frog".
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Orangepeace on August 31, 2011, 06:01 PM
That's why I'm saying boycott. I mean, I like some tweaks like the blades of the lightsabers being done correctly. Though seeing and hearing the things I've seen is just a disgrace. Though, I got to admit it's 21st Century Lucas. Which, brings to thought. How would 20th Century Lucas feel if he met 21st Lucas and saw the tweaks. Would he like them?
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: P-Siddy on August 31, 2011, 06:05 PM
ROTJ was the first movie I ever saw in theatres so this NoOOO NOOOOOOO! thing just really bugs me.   :(   I hope we don't see Vader crying after he gets fryed having flashbacks to Padme after saving Luke.

I'm sure that will happen and Anakin will tell Luke what a jerk of a Dad he was, torturing his sister, cutting off his arm, torturing his friends, shooting his Droid (well, it used to be Padme's), and 'murdering' his mother.

As for blinking, green eyed Wicket, I think it's a preview of what Darth Plagieus will actually be when he's added to the prequels. For a look, just see Angry Ewok's avatar.
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Carpeteria3000 on August 31, 2011, 07:01 PM
From some shitheel's blog:

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"Yes, the updates are confirmed. We hope fans will wait to see for themselves how they fit into the Saga before making any judgments."

Right. Because I haven't seen these movies dozens of times, and I can't possibly imagine how it would sound or look to put these changes in. I have to see them in the context of the entire movie. Ok.
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: MisterPL on August 31, 2011, 07:08 PM
Why does Lucas insist on bringing the Original Trilogy down to the level of the Prequel Trilogy? If anything the Prequels need more elements of the Originals. If he wanted to replace Naboo Starfighters with Y-wings, I'd be fine with that. Instead I'm expecting to see Jar Jar tucked in a previously vacant corner of the Mon Calamari cruiser, waving like an idiot.
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Darby on August 31, 2011, 07:19 PM
My thoughts on the matter: http://darby-harn.blogspot.com/b/post-preview?token=ob_XIzIBAAA.ca3Qt0kzsp-iDWEOEZCIwQ.bwzIjK0jnCaYei8RSlVkbg&postId=2959131456897746467&type=POST (http://darby-harn.blogspot.com/b/post-preview?token=ob_XIzIBAAA.ca3Qt0kzsp-iDWEOEZCIwQ.bwzIjK0jnCaYei8RSlVkbg&postId=2959131456897746467&type=POST)
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Master_Phruby on August 31, 2011, 08:06 PM
Number 5 and 9 are the same.  ;)
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: P-Siddy on August 31, 2011, 08:10 PM
Love #2.
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Master_Phruby on August 31, 2011, 08:40 PM
My wife checked out the Vader "Nooo!" scene and she now says I am not allowed to buy this set. She says that is stupiest thing she ever saw.  Thanks Lucasfilm! You've saved me alot of money this year.
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: JediMoses on August 31, 2011, 09:05 PM
I still have a hard time believing the Dragon sound effect is a real clip.  It also seems that if Jayson is right about the insertion of the rocks, the sequence is missing that effect.  So something has to give. 

While I am not a fan of the Vader "Noooo" addition (I prefer the original), I can understand the rationale for it.  For 20 years, this man has been saying "Yes, my master."  Certainly tossing Palpy down the chute is a definitive "No" but verbalizing it adds another dimension to it.  In the end, it is an unnecessary addition, but I am not freaking out about it. 

The Dragon sound effect, if true, just blows. Why would the Sandpeople be afraid of that?
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Jayson on August 31, 2011, 09:23 PM
You know what they should do: When the heroes are speeding away from the Sarlacc as the barge explodes, show a nondescript figure rocketing out of the back of the frame complete with vapor trail. That would be a ret-con I could live with.  :P
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: P-Siddy on August 31, 2011, 09:39 PM
I think the Vader screaming "Nooooo" is not an actual addition to the film by Lucas, but by Vader himself, horrified by all the horrible alterations Lucas has made over the years.
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Matt on August 31, 2011, 10:17 PM
I still have a hard time believing the Dragon sound effect is a real clip.  It also seems that if Jayson is right about the insertion of the rocks, the sequence is missing that effect.  So something has to give. 

The YouTube video(s) yesterday were the new audio clips synched to old video clips to give context to the new audio.  They never claimed the video to be taken from the Blu-ray rips.
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Jesse James on August 31, 2011, 10:23 PM
Eh...  I'm waiting, but ultimately evertyhing seems wholely unnecessary, or simply asinine.

If Lucas were willing to come off his high horse and release the original edits of the films as they appeared in theaters for the first time, even included in a set like this, then I think you'd see a lot less moaning.  You'd see people bitch still, but at least you'd have some HD versions of the original right there for you...  No Jabba scene, no Han pussying out in the Cantina, no extra ships, no mistakes fixed.
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Matt on August 31, 2011, 11:37 PM
If Lucas were willing to come off his high horse and release the original edits of the films as they appeared in theaters for the first time, even included in a set like this, then I think you'd see a lot less moaning.  You'd see people bitch still, but at least you'd have some HD versions of the original right there for you...

HD versions of the originals don't exist.  They could exist, if Thyroid Man would just allow it, but he won't, so the versions from the 2006 DVDs (which themselves were just taken from the 1993 laserdiscs) are the best we've got.  The best (official) versions of the original trilogy are old enough to vote.  Sweet.

This is somewhat lengthy but really interesting, I think.

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Had the film remained like this, we would have a restored version of Star Wars, perfectly matching the original release but with pristine quality, even to the point where it was better than what could have been possible back then (as with the higher quality optical transitions). However, this was only part of the process of making what was eventually called "The Special Edition." ILM was working on many dozens of new shots, and an even larger amount of enhanced shots, using digital effects to re-do, expand, re-edit and otherwise alter many scenes in the film. When these were completed, they apparently were printed onto film and re-cut into the negative, replacing the original negs, which were undoubtedly put back into storage. As a result, the negative for Star Wars is filled with CGI-laden modern alterations. When Lucas says that the original version physically does not exist, this is what he really means--the negative is conformed to the Special Edition. Of course, it would be very easy to simply put the original pieces back and conform it to the original version, or use the separation masters and IPs, or simply scan the old pieces for a digital restoration, but I digress.

(snip)

it is also incredibly hard to imagine that Star Wars will never be restored to its original version. Perhaps it will take Lucas' passing to see this enacted--or perhaps not, given that he allowed the original versions to be released on DVD in 2006, even if they were just Laserdisk ports. In any case, I would be willing to bet a good amount of money that in some years in the future efforts were made to somehow save the original version of Star Wars--from Lucas himself, it may seem, as his Special Edition would have to be somehow worked around in gathering original elements. The negative could be re-conformed to its original configuration, using the original, saved pieces, but this is problematic due to handling issues (and losing more frames). When Robert Harris restored Godfather last year, he had to do it entirely digitally, saying that if any pin-registered mechanism were to touch the negative it would crumble. [60] In Star Wars' case, using scans of the separation masters is perfectly viable, and though IPs and Technicolor prints are not ideal for masters they could be usable if cleaned up digitally. Perhaps the easiest option would be to simply follow the 1997 restoration pattern but in the digital realm: scan the negative in 8K, then scan the stored pre-SE shots or re-comp them, and fill in any damaged areas with IPs or separation masters, reconstructing the original cut, then digitally remove dirt and damage, and finally use a Technicolor print as a color reference for the Digital Intermediate created. Such a product would be theatrically viable, as pristine as when it had been shot, and 100% faithful in image and color to the original release.

The pricetag of doing a project like this would likely be under a million dollars.
Jim Ward (http://www.jedidefender.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=13718.0) claims that Lucasfilm sold $100 million in DVDs in a single day when the refurbished Star Wars films came out in 2004, [61] and while this figure might not be replicated (though in my opinion it probably would, if given a comparable marketing campaign) clearly there would be worthwhile profit. One day, I predict this process will happen, but that day does not seem to be anywhere in the near future. It will remain to be seen if the negative to Star Wars is in a salvageable state by the time this happens or if it has become a brittle relic, faded to black and white. It wouldn't be the first time the negative of a famous film has been lost--Criterion's restoration of Seven Samurai, for instance, does not work from a negative, nor did the gorgeous 35mm print of Rashomon that toured theatres this year. With fine-grain masters, IPs, and Separation masters available, the negative need not be the only source for a new master.

Backlash has, of course, occurred because of all this drama. The last dedicated release of the original version was a Laserdisk and VHS in 1995 (using the 1985 IP, which was then mastered in THX, according to Into the Digital Realm--the in-progress restoration couldn't be used for this release because it was still in-progress). By 2006, originaltrilogy.com had petitioned over 70,000 signatures to get the original versions released, and while the Laserdisk-port release of that year was at least admission of defeat of Lucas' crusade to erase the originals from existence, it also frustrated fans and experts alike, especially since the release wasn't even anamorphic (as the Laserdisk wasn't). When a letter-writing campaign reached Lucasfilm they responded by saying that the Laserdisk was the best source for the originals [62] --which it would be without having to spend money, that is. Robert Harris, the man who had hand-restored Vertigo and Lawrence of Arabia, and later The Godfather, went on record saying he knew there were pristine 35mm elements available for use, and offered his services to restore the film [63]. Lucasfilm did not respond. The efforts of fans and professionals like these will probably result in the aforementioned restoration at some point, if only for the callousness of making money, but it seems that day is not today.

The story of Star Wars' negative is both the story of advancing technology and the story of Lucas' ego. Showing how fragile negative film can be, how all sorts of old-fashioned tricks and the most advanced of analog technology was used to photo-chemically restore the elements, which were then embellished by select digital pieces in the infant technology, like some kind of emerging cyborg; by 2004, the film had been entirely consumed by digital technology, existing only as a digital negative. At the same time, a crusade of revisionism took over, moving from a project to preserve Star Wars so that future generations could see it, to an enhanced anniversary celebration for the fans that Lucas could use as an excuse to play with emerging digital technology, to finally a consummation of his prequel storyline and a nail in the coffin for the original version that so many had loved and that had given him his empire in the first place, while the quality of the negative itself seemed perpetually sliding downward in resolution.

The Secret History of Star Wars: Saving Star Wars: The Special Edition Restoration Process and its Changing Physicality (http://secrethistoryofstarwars.com/savingstarwars.html)

Lots more at the link if you're inclined.
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Jesse James on August 31, 2011, 11:42 PM
That's what I meant sort of, but didn't say it right...  They SHOULD put the original edits of the films, Han shooting first and all, into an HD format and put them out for people to be content...  You'll still sell the new edits.  I can't see how it's that big a deal, and as a bonus it would make people immensely happy and they'd buy the new edits just to get those as well.

I dunno, it's just frustrating for fans.  I've not got the time right now to check that out, but I completely intend to Matt, thanks.
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: CloneAlpha on August 31, 2011, 11:45 PM
From some shitheel's blog:

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"Yes, the updates are confirmed. We hope fans will wait to see for themselves how they fit into the Saga before making any judgments."

I think the most appropriate reply to this statement should be.... "NO!" to quote a certain sith lord...
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: P-Siddy on August 31, 2011, 11:47 PM
If they released these updated versions and the original releases, I wonder which would sell more copies and if Lucas would get the hint if it happened to be the original versions?
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Matt_Fury on September 1, 2011, 12:14 AM
This will be in ROTJ before Lucas dies. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xViZ38xRQr0)
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: darth broem 2 on September 1, 2011, 12:42 AM
Vader saying "No." and then yelling "NOOOoooo!" does not really ruin it for me.  It's not a change that I love, but I can live with it.  I just don't like the sound of the "NOOOoooo!"  It sounds odd to me.  Again it's not necessary at all but I'm kind of ho-hum about it. 

The Dug I did not mind.  There are so many damn creatures and things running around in the Palace that it does not bother me at all.  Needed?  Hell no!  But it's not that big of a deal to me. 

Jabba Door extension scene.  Meh, ok George. 

Han thawing.  Again not necessary but whatever. 

Wicket with blinking eyes.  Guys I barely even noticed it.  It someone had not told me about it I would not have known it existed. 

CGI Yoda....'YAY!!!"  Love that change. 

Even though these changes don't bother me THAT much I really do crave a DVD copy of the originals.  It would be nice to get the OT movies as they were when they were originally released.  I still don't get quite why Lucas won't just do that?  Hell his good friend Spielberg did it for the E.T. release several years back. 

Maybe after Lucas kicks the bucket it will happen.   
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Jabba the Slug on September 1, 2011, 01:53 AM
It's funny, the other day I was watching ROTJ and I rewinded the Vader "Moment of Truth" a few times... and then I heard today that there's a scene where Vader shouts "Noooo" now...
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Jayson on September 1, 2011, 10:05 AM
Another enhancement: In ROTJ, when R2 gets shot by the stormtrooper and overloads, CGI effect have been added to show more gizmo popping out from the service panels and it looks like the blue utility arms have been reworked as well.

(http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/7566/rdoo02.jpg)
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Pete_Fett on September 1, 2011, 11:38 AM
Up until now, all of the tweaks and changes that have been made have not really bothered me. Perhaps the whole Han/Greedo thing a little bit, but that change has existed for fourteen years now, so I guess I've just gotten over that one.

And I know it shouldn't bother me, but it does, so I'm just gonna say it...

Lucas has ruined the entire Star Wars Saga for me.

Let me explain.

When, as I kid, I heard rumors of a total of nine Star Wars movies, I was pumped. Then after the PT came out, Lucas was like "no no, the entire movie saga is about Anakin". Okay, I can drink that kool-aid and buy into it. Fine.

Then taking the fact that the entire saga is about Anakin, the lynch-pin moment for me HAS ALWAYS been the moment, where Vader finally has had enough and kills Palpatine. That scene, to me, has always been perfect. The sound of the force lightning, Luke's screams of pain, the delight Palpatine seems to be getting from torturing Luke to death, the score from John Williams which is rising to a crescendo, AND THE F**KING FACT THAT DARTH VADER JUST ACTS WITHOUT SAYING A WORD.

The entire saga, whether it was 9 year old Anakin, 20-year old Jedi Padawan Anakin, 23-year old Jedi Knight Anakin or OT Darth Vader - the character of Anakin/Vader has always been a mouthy "I'm a bad ass and I know it" character. For him to stand their silently reflecting on the tragedy that is his life and to finally take control says all that needs to be said. He does not need to say anything.

Now, keeping in mind of course that these are movies and I can definitely see how Lucas likes to repeat themes and moments. If he wanted to add something there, he should have taken the line from ROTS, right before Anakin stops Mace Windu, he says something like "No, I need him to live", found James Earl Jones, written a variation on that ROTS line like "NO, MY SON MUST LIVE" and have JEJ record that, process it to sound like Vader and insert that into the movie. If that was what was added, I think I would still be upset, but at least it would correlate to something that already existed in the saga. To take the horrible "NOOOOOOO" from the end of ROTS and edit/re-process it and add it here is just adding salt to the wound that was made when he decided to add Vader dialogue into the scene in the first place.

I'm with Phruby - this may be the one minor thing that stops me from buying the saga on BluRay.
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Darby on September 1, 2011, 02:54 PM
Number 5 and 9 are the same.  ;)

NOOOOOOOOO!!!!
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: LandotheScoundrel on September 1, 2011, 02:56 PM
If Lucas is intent on adding cgi, I wish he'd replace that awful shot of the Executor crashing into the Death Star...that explosion looks terrible, like someone lit a toy on fire. The physics are all sorts of wacky and unbelievable...and the scale seems completely screwed up. You should be able to at least see some sort of curve to the Death Star at that scale. But no, let's add a ******* Dug into Jabba's palace. For no reason.

Alright, I hate the new Krayt dragon sound. I wasn't crazy about the one from the dvd set, but I lived with it. This one is just dumb.

Vader yelling "no"...I'm not crazy about it, but I guess that's just the state of things.

The Dug doesn't bother me so much...I just wish they would learn to make their retarded cgi additions more subtle. They really don't need to march right across the center of the screen. Some things can be seen in the ******* background.

Ewok eyes...whatever. Doesn't bother me. Those are the kinds of changes I don't mind.
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Scockery on September 1, 2011, 05:20 PM
So many potential changes missed!

No Mon Calamari added to Hoth for no reason!

Or Speeder bikes!

Or more AT-ST's!

Or Mas Amedda to the Death Star 2.

Also, if Lucas wanted to add that dialouge to ROTJ, why not include and alternate audio track without it...but NOOOOO! he didn't do that.  ;)
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Matt R. on September 1, 2011, 05:40 PM
I am at the point I don't care anymore. It is clear that Lucas loves the PT more than OT.  He hates everything we love. 
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Crackbrick on September 1, 2011, 05:59 PM
What the heck is this exactly?

(http://i.imgur.com/TlZcr.jpg)
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Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Jesse James on September 1, 2011, 06:15 PM
Boba Fett riding around on the weird animals from Utapau, on a planet that may or may not be Utapau, for reasons nobody can really explain.

He likes to find an animal and ride it though, on various planets it seems.  This, the dragon thing from the Holiday Special...  It's Boba's thing.
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Jimree on September 1, 2011, 06:47 PM
Reading this thread has been fun haha.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A4VbOHvaPRc&feature=player_embedded

But I guess I'm in the minority, because I still feel it's George's movie and he can do what he wants. He's an artist, and he has the money and tools to change what he doesn't like, be it dialogue, sound effects or other stuff. Good for him, I wish I had some do overs in life hahaha. We, as fans, should enjoy what we have. If you like the original release, go buy the old DVD's. I enjoy the movies and I will not tell George he shouldn't change it.

I've read that people have gone NUTS over this and sending threatening things to his daughter on Twitter. People complaining about their childhood being ruined, I don't get that either.

If you don't like it, don't buy it. If you like it, buy it. Simple

This is the hot button right now in Star Wars, It will go away soon, just like the Hasbrotoyshop Death Star Debacle and the Star Wars Celebration VIP ticket issue.

I am buying it, and if you don't want your walmart BOBA FETT print, send it to me

Thanks,
Jim
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Matt R. on September 1, 2011, 08:20 PM
If you don't like it, don't buy it. If you like it, buy it. Simple

I agree.

I also noticed that of the leaks only the OT has been shown.   So does that mean no tweaks in the PT trilogy other than episode 1 Yoda.  just wanted to know.
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: darth broem 2 on September 1, 2011, 08:54 PM
Well some people are expressing that very notion of buying it or not.  They are telling you why.  All the changes have never gotten me so worked up that I would state comments like "George Lucas raped my childhood!!!"  A few have upset me though primarily Han shooting first.  I'm not thrilled with the new Vader"No's".  In fact I don't care for them at all but it does not ruin Star Wars....for me!  However, it would be nice to just get a nice updated transfer of the OT to the Blu-Ray, DVDs, whatever format comes in the future for the OT fans that have supported the franchise throughout all the years.   Yeah, I do take it as bit of middle finger by Lucas instead of updating his art.  What does it hurt if the originals are out there?  I don't get his logic on that angle.   
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Jayson on September 1, 2011, 10:44 PM
What the heck is this exactly?

Only the best van mural EVAR!

(http://www.yakfaceforums.com/jayson/fett_van.jpg)
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Jesse James on September 1, 2011, 11:21 PM
If that van's a rockin'... 

Well there's a guy in it with a sore hand.
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Matt on September 2, 2011, 12:05 AM
Jim, I disagree with your post wholesale.  Rather than responding to everything I disagree with individually, I'm just going to delete everything I disagree with.  It's easier that way.

it's George's movie and he can do what he wants.

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he has the money and tools to change what he doesn't like, be it dialogue, sound effects or other stuff.

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If you don't like it, don't buy it.

Cheers.
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Ben on September 2, 2011, 01:31 AM
I'm disappointed by the Vader thing. Just about everything else I could live with, but this is just stupid. Kind of like breaking up the momentum of the Falcon's escape from Bespin so Lucas could show Vader walking off his ******* Shuttle.
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Mikey D on September 2, 2011, 08:11 AM
Surprised that van doesn't say "Free Candy" on it.

Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Jeff on September 2, 2011, 12:53 PM
The more I think about it, the more I find myself in the "it's George's movie and he can do what he wants" camp.

Don't get me wrong, I do think it's lame that Lucas can't just leave things alone, but whatever.  George can move on to the 2011 Star Wars: Episode VI - Return of the Jedi (SuperSpecial Editon).  Fine.

I'll just try to track down those 2006 DVDs with the 1993 Laserdisc versions of the OT and call it a day.
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Scockery on September 2, 2011, 12:56 PM
I like the quotes from Lucas that someone dug up from 1988, saying that movies are public art and shouldn't be altered.

It's all so anal now. He should've released a remake of ANH in 2008, this year we would've gotten ESB remake, and 2014 the ROTJ one. No more corrections, do it all over or move on.

Then he could get the OT prints and burn them all.  >:D

Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Nicklab on September 2, 2011, 01:36 PM
The more I think about it, the more I find myself in the "it's George's movie and he can do what he wants" camp.

Don't get me wrong, I do think it's lame that Lucas can't just leave things alone, but whatever.  George can move on to the 2011 Star Wars: Episode VI - Return of the Jedi (SuperSpecial Editon).  Fine.

I'll just try to track down those 2006 DVDs with the 1993 Laserdisc versions of the OT and call it a day.

Agreed.  As someone who's involved in some creative ventures, it seems that you're almost never done tinkering with a project.  Historically, movies have been different in that filmmakers had to deliver a final cut and that was what lived on for posterity.  George is bucking that trend basically because he can.  He OWNS Star Wars, and can do with it as he see's fit. 

Do I completely agree with that?  I think some of the changes he's made have been questionable ("Laptinek" was much better than "Jedi Rocks"), but some changes have been interesting.  The space battle in ANH is actually much better thanks to the Special Edition.  That's a change that I think people neglect to bring up when they discuss how much they hate George's continuing tinkering.

And as a sidenote, I think we could all benefit from distancing ourselves from the films a little bit.  The hystrionics like "George Lucas raped my childhood" have gotten so overblown that I've begun to get more annoyed by the ridiculous fanboy reactions than any changes that George Lucas has made to the movies.  And this fanboy sense of entitlement/disappointment has extended through the whole prequel trilogy because NOTHING, and NOBODY could live up to the expectations that they've built up in their own hearts and minds for Star Wars as it continues some 30 years on from the childhood of those original fans to their adulthood.
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Matt on September 2, 2011, 02:31 PM
I'll just try to track down those 2006 DVDs with the 1993 Laserdisc versions of the OT and call it a day.

I looked those up online yesterday at Amazon, Best Buy, and Walmart, and they're all gone.  Out of print.  Both the 2006 individual releases and the 2008 box set which packaged them all together.  Used 2008 sets are fetching around $75+ on Amazon and eBay.

Funny, the individual prequel DVDs and the companion Prequel Trilogy set are all readily available right now at Amazon at normal prices.
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Scockery on September 2, 2011, 04:52 PM
Anyone ever actually say "Lucas raped my childhood" or is one of those "Let them eat cake!" quotes that is either misattributed or just invented by those who want to make a group of people sound stupid?

Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Matt R. on September 2, 2011, 04:58 PM
Anyone ever actually say "Lucas raped my childhood" or is one of those "Let them eat cake!" quotes that is either misattributed or just invented by those who want to make a group of people sound stupid?

I hate them type of people.  They just want attention.  Most of them wasn't even born in the era when the films were made . I do not like the changes  :(, but I am not going to throw a fit about it.
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: darth_sidious on September 2, 2011, 05:02 PM
I dont mind the changes, seeing as the originals are on DVD as well as the most recent updates to the films.  What I do mind is that everything is on Blu-Ray, as someone who hasnt upgraded yet, lol.  I really hope all the deleted scenes and updates will be online so we can at least view them, because I'm not buying this set nor upgrading to a Blu-Ray player at this point...
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Nicklab on September 2, 2011, 05:27 PM
Anyone ever actually say "Lucas raped my childhood" or is one of those "Let them eat cake!" quotes that is either misattributed or just invented by those who want to make a group of people sound stupid?



I've found posts with that particular phrase via a quick search dating back to 2004 (http://forum.dvdtalk.com/archive/t-387776.html)
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Jimree on September 2, 2011, 06:12 PM
Changing the focus some

People have seen the HUGE jabba's door scene i guess. I am assuming that it changed the inside of the Palace hallway where the Gam Guards are. anyone know anything on this?

Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Matt_Fury on September 2, 2011, 06:21 PM
I just don't get why certain things are changed and some are not.

CGI Yoda in TPM and updating some of the battle sequences...totally get that and I'm glad he made those changes.

Greedo shooting at all, Vader saying "Noooooooooo!", and Luke saying "You were lucky to get out of there!", instead of "You're lucky you don't taste very good!" are just pointless changes to scenes that were perfect when originally filmed.

Other things like Luke's lightsaber being green on the Falcon or the bridge sequence where Leia's shooting sounds more like a .357 magnum than a stormtrooper rifle wreaks of poor quality control at ILM and should not be tolerated.  Did anyone involved in the project even look at the movie when they were finished?
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Nicklab on September 2, 2011, 06:27 PM
Changing the focus some

People have seen the HUGE jabba's door scene i guess. I am assuming that it changed the inside of the Palace hallway where the Gam Guards are. anyone know anything on this?



Can you elaborate?  Is it the exterior shot as C-3PO and R2 approach the door, or is it in the passage just past the door?

I just don't get why certain things are changed and some are not.

CGI Yoda in TPM and updating some of the battle sequences...totally get that and I'm glad he made those changes.

Agreed.  The Yoda puppet in TPM had this weird brow ridge / eye orbital that made Yoda look VERY different from the TESB puppet.  When they went to the CGI Yoda for AOTC the difference was really remarkable, and the difference from TPM to AOTC was a pretty big continuity gap.  So in this instance the change works.



Greedo shooting at all, Vader saying "Noooooooooo!", and Luke saying "You were lucky to get out of there!", instead of "You're lucky you don't taste very good!" are just pointless changes to scenes that were perfect when originally filmed.

I think a the whole "Han shoots first" thing has been played out ad nauseum.  It's something that defines his character.

As for the Vader "No.  NOOOOO!!!" addition?  It comes across kind of strangely on first viewing.  Especially if you've been watching ROTJ on a regular basis since 1983.  But there is a flipside to this story.  The novelization of ROTJ indicates that there is more strife between Vader and the Emporer than the movie lets on.  And the final cut of the movie doesn't indicate it as well as it might, since the scene with Vader, Moff Jerjerrod and the Royal Guards was cut.

So what did we get in the theatrical cut of ROTJ?  One scene where the Emporer tells Vader that he was to have stayed on the command ship.  And then Vader looks on as the Emporer is using his Force lightning on Luke.  The Vader mask doesn't allow the viewer to see any kind of inner conflict with Vader.  This is where the additional dialogue comes in.  The whole "No.  NOOOOO!!!" thing expresses Vader's conflict, and harkens back to Lucas's use of recurring themes.  It doesn't feel right at first viewing, but it makes things work a little better from a story standpoint.

Other things like Luke's lightsaber being green on the Falcon or the bridge sequence where Leia's shooting sounds more like a .357 magnum than a stormtrooper rifle wreaks of poor quality control at ILM and should not be tolerated.  Did anyone involved in the project even look at the movie when they were finished?

The gunshot sound effect from ANH has bothered me, too.  That's a sound editing thing, not ILM.  But the green saber from the Falcon's hold is their fault.  That should have been done a lot better than it was when the DVD's were released.
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Matt on September 2, 2011, 07:23 PM
People have seen the HUGE jabba's door scene i guess. I am assuming that it changed the inside of the Palace hallway where the Gam Guards are. anyone know anything on this?

Just 'cause you change something in one shot doesn't mean you have to change it in the next shot, too.  The new disappearing* CGI rock Artoo hides behind (http://i.imgur.com/Ecnwo.jpg) is proof of that.  Consistency is for suckers, man.

*I don't think it was mentioned here, but that rock is gone when Artoo comes out to talk to Ben and Luke.  (http://i.imgur.com/WyIi8.gif)
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Master_Phruby on September 2, 2011, 10:17 PM
I like the quotes from Lucas that someone dug up from 1988, saying that movies are public art and shouldn't be altered.

I like the quote from him that a special effect without a story is a very boring thing. Now explain TPM to me George.
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: P-Siddy on September 2, 2011, 10:30 PM
I agree with the fact that this is Lucas' film and he can tinker with it until the day he dies (and maybe even from the grave if SW is forever). It doesn't mean I don't have to like everything he does or buy every new version he decides to put out. I don't like all the changes because some are pointless and seems to detract from the overall story. Maybe because I've seen it a million times and can quote each scene. Other things, like the Death Star battle and making the TIEs and X-Wings do smooth acrobatic manuevers were awesome touches. But some people have mentioned Vader leaving Cloud City and how it breaks the momentum of the escape... and how awfully mixed Vader's theme during the hurried strings during "Rescue from Cloud City/Hyperspace". I never once thought "hey, how did Vader get on the Executor?" It was assumed. Leave a bit for the viewers' imaginations. I still don't understand why it's Hayden that's the force ghost at the end of Jedi and not Shaw. Vader returned to the good side once he killed the Emperor and since he redeemed himself in his later life, I would think it would reflect that age he died (did they consider Shaw too old?)

I guess the thing is I want to show my kids the Star Wars that I fell in love with in the 70s/80s and not the redeuxs. While it's the same movie, it's not.

As for the Vader "No.  NOOOOO!!!" addition?  It comes across kind of strangely on first viewing.  Especially if you've been watching ROTJ on a regular basis since 1983.  But there is a flipside to this story.  The novelization of ROTJ indicates that there is more strife between Vader and the Emporer than the movie lets on.  And the final cut of the movie doesn't indicate it as well as it might, since the scene with Vader, Moff Jerjerrod and the Royal Guards was cut.

So what did we get in the theatrical cut of ROTJ?  One scene where the Emporer tells Vader that he was to have stayed on the command ship.  And then Vader looks on as the Emporer is using his Force lightning on Luke.  The Vader mask doesn't allow the viewer to see any kind of inner conflict with Vader.  This is where the additional dialogue comes in.  The whole "No.  NOOOOO!!!" thing expresses Vader's conflict, and harkens back to Lucas's use of recurring themes.  It doesn't feel right at first viewing, but it makes things work a little better from a story standpoint.

Nick makes a good point here about how the novel plays out the tension between the Emperor and Vader. I read the novelization several years after seeing Jedi and it clarified somethings. The scene when Vader tells the Emperor that he has sensed Luke on Endor, the Emperor is mystified and says
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Strange, that I have not. I wonder if your feelings on this matter are clear, Lord Vader.
It's kind of lost that the Emperor sees Vader and Luke as a threat to him.
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Jabba the Slug on September 3, 2011, 03:34 AM
And the final cut of the movie doesn't indicate it as well as it might, since the scene with Vader, Moff Jerjerrod and the Royal Guards was cut.

Can someone explain what that scene is about? I found a picture of it for the first time ever a few days ago, and I really want to know what goes on here.
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Jayson on September 3, 2011, 06:17 AM
Cut scene (http://www.starwarz.com/tbone/index.php?categoryid=11&p2_articleid=419)
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: MikeT on September 3, 2011, 11:03 AM
Greedo shooting at all, Vader saying "Noooooooooo!", and Luke saying "You were lucky to get out of there!", instead of "You're lucky you don't taste very good!" are just pointless changes to scenes that were perfect when originally filmed.

I'd much rather hear Luke robotically state an obvious fact to R2 than have a humorous, charming exchange with him. Glad Lucas is finally stamping out the wit and sparkle of the original dialogue.   ::)
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Matt on September 3, 2011, 11:14 AM
That stupid "lucky to get out of there" line wasn't a new change for the SEs; it was in the original script.

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The dialogue "You're lucky you didn't taste too good", was not redubbed. There were several variants of this line in the shooting script. All of the special editions used different takes every once in a while; mostly because some were of much greater quality than the others. The particular take that Lucas approved for this scene had Hamill reading straight from the script, instead of ad-libbing the now famous comment. Lucasfilm officials have stated that they didn't realize the dialogue was any different until the film was released. This also accounts for some of the other minor dialogue changes in the SEs.

Vader's "alert my Star Destroyer" crap, now THAT'S a stupid change made just for the SEs.

EDIT:  This list of changes on Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_changes_in_Star_Wars_re-releases) says that the "alert my Star Destroyer" line was originally recorded for Star Wars.  I didn't know that.  Guess that's why it sounds so out of place.  Still a crap change, though.
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Crackbrick on September 3, 2011, 11:16 AM
Its all garbage.  Glad I have the originals on DVD at least.  Only reason for me to get this is the deleted scenes and extras. that makes it worth it for me.  Can stick the changes where the sun does not shine.

cb
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: P-Siddy on September 3, 2011, 11:25 AM
Its all garbage.  Glad I have the originals on DVD at least.  Only reason for me to get this is the deleted scenes and extras. that makes it worth it for me.  Can stick the changes where the sun does not shine.

cb

Or wait a while, I'm sure the originals will be released with deleted scenes in it full glory at some point down the road. I just wonder if the films will be catagorized by Star Wars 1.0, 2.0, 3.0 in regards to which release people will talk about... I suppose you could say the '77 version, '81, '97, '11, etc.
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: MikeT on September 3, 2011, 11:49 AM
That stupid "lucky to get out of there" line wasn't a new change for the SEs; it was in the original script.

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The dialogue "You're lucky you didn't taste too good", was not redubbed. There were several variants of this line in the shooting script. All of the special editions used different takes every once in a while; mostly because some were of much greater quality than the others. The particular take that Lucas approved for this scene had Hamill reading straight from the script, instead of ad-libbing the now famous comment. Lucasfilm officials have stated that they didn't realize the dialogue was any different until the film was released. This also accounts for some of the other minor dialogue changes in the SEs.

Hmm, interesting. I remember from Irvin Kershner's commentary on my ESB dvd that he added in a bunch of stuff like that, by encouraging ad libbing in scenes where he felt more was needed. Probably most famously was the "I love you. I know." exchange between Han and Leia, originally written for Han to reply "I love you too." After a bunch of takes, Harrison Ford finally came up with the "I know" line, which to me is one of the best moments in the trilogy--the line is so good you almost couldn't write it. Kirshner also added little moments to R2 and Chewbacca, infusing them with warmth and personality.  Definitely recommend checking out his commentary to anyone who hasn't. I have the '08 boxset with the original theatrical versions on it, so as long as I've got that, I'm fine.  :)

 
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: ysalamir on September 3, 2011, 03:46 PM
...I agree, if you've got the 08' releases, your good.

So add away...the more the merrier. Why not just keep making retro-active deleted (included) scenes, and sell them on the internet. They have the technology. Like somebody mentioned earlier, about Boba Fett's escape from the Sarlac pit.
Make a live action "Micro Series" of events that happened during the Saga, no matter how irrelevant or trivial.
With all the advancements of CGI and being able to create long gone actor's faces again, the ever changing Saga could continue on forever.
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Jesse James on September 3, 2011, 06:59 PM
I liked the "alert my star destroyer" bit added into ESB.  :-[
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Matt R. on September 3, 2011, 09:26 PM
The only real changes I like in the OT was the Holographic Emperor in ESB.  It needed to be done but it wasn't that great, and the Ewok celebration ending music (I did not like the theatical ewok ending music to ROTJ, I think is bad).

Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Matt on September 4, 2011, 12:48 AM
I liked the "alert my star destroyer" bit added into ESB.  :-[

You actually liked that change?  For reals?  I think less of you as a person now.
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Scockery on September 4, 2011, 01:34 AM
The Star Wars movies are to George Lucas what Michael Jackson's nose was to Michael Jackson. Just won't leave well enough alone until it gets ugly.  :o
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Crackbrick on September 4, 2011, 01:50 AM
Yop, MJ started small and then could not stop himself.

cb
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: JediMoses on September 4, 2011, 02:46 AM
http://popwatch.ew.com/2011/09/01/return-jedi-nooo-george-lucas/

Another point of view to add to the mix here.
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Jabba the Slug on September 4, 2011, 05:29 AM
Since Lucasfilm was obviously paying a hell of a lot of attention to ROTJ for the Blu-Ray edits, I hope they fix the lightsaber strikes. I was watching ROTJ today (I've become very interested in it after all the hooplah going on) and here's what the critic in me wants to see fixed:

1. Nearly all the lightsaber strikes have no effect on anything! For example, when Luke slashes at people on Jabba's Barge, there's no glowing mark. Similarly, right before he chops off Vader's hand, he hits a bunch of railing and the railing doesn't get cut in fact. There's not even a scorch mark! It degrades the saber to being just a normal sword, in a way.

2. Right as Luke is looking at his gloved hand after defeating Vader, gaps appear in the white core of his lightsaber. It's like his lightsaber is shortnening out (maybe that's why he tosses it aside? ???).

3. In the moment leading up to Luke chopping off Dad Vader's hand, you can see both their shadows on the floor in an aerial shot of them. However, you can also see shadows of their lightsabers. Is this supposed to be like that - do lightsabers make shadows? I thought it was established they didn't. Oh well, I'm sure George knows.
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Crackbrick on September 4, 2011, 11:38 AM
http://popwatch.ew.com/2011/09/01/return-jedi-nooo-george-lucas/

Another point of view to add to the mix here.

I give credit to Lucas for allot of things and the stuff he gave my childhood, does not mean I can't critisize something he does.  I could care less what he wants to do with his films.  I just wish he gave fans what they wanted when it comes to the original.  But as long as I have at least the DVds I'm happy.  I'm just glad the BR's will have some cool extras.

cb
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Jesse James on September 4, 2011, 12:56 PM
I liked the "alert my star destroyer" bit added into ESB.  :-[

You actually liked that change?  For reals?  I think less of you as a person now.

Yeah...  Actually a lot of changes I actually kind of enjoy, like Docking Bay 94.   :-\  My big hates were Han/Greedo, the removed Luke "No" in ESB, Jedi Rocks (Puppet Sy looks cooler), and a couple of the new ones look really lame.

I'm actually for edits though, like expanding the space battles to include more ships, or inserting the old footage shot with modern effects (like adding B-Wings since almost all their footage got axed).  I'm in the minority though I'm sure, on all this.

I just think if he'd put out high def versiosn of the original edits he'd end this argument and everyone may like seeing changes, just to see something different, just because they'd have the originals and not care what Lucas ultimately does.
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Nicklab on September 4, 2011, 02:54 PM
I liked the "alert my star destroyer" bit added into ESB.  :-[

You actually liked that change?  For reals?  I think less of you as a person now.

For me it always seemed like a pointless transitional piece that interferes with the pacing of the escape sequence. 

I always got the feeling that it was added because at the time of TESB's release there were no designs for an Imperial Shuttle.  Fast forward to the Special Edition days and we DO have an existing Imperial Shuttle design, along with footage of an Imperial hangar from ROTJ.  So why not add them in, GL thought. 
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Matt_Fury on September 4, 2011, 03:18 PM
My only real problems with that change was Vader's line. Mwhat was wrong with, "Bring my shuttle."?

Also, they blatantly pulled a scene from ROTJ...unless Jerjerrod was on the Executor at the time.
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Scockery on September 4, 2011, 06:11 PM
So, while looking at ebay auction for the Wal-Mart Dewback from a year or two ago...I gotta ask, have they changed the Dewback again (to TPM model)?

Or did they do that last time and I just forgot?
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Jesse James on September 5, 2011, 05:58 PM
The only thing I can think of is perhaps Vader wasn't planning on going to the Executor, and instead was planning on taking Lukey back to the Emperor on something zippier (IE: a shuttle).  It stands to reason I'd think, that he just was going to head from Bespin to Coruscant immediately (or the 2nd Death Star, or wherever Palpy was hanging out...  or possibly to try swaying Luke on his own even, somewhere away from too many prying eyes, who knows).

The DS hangar footage was kind of lame though.  I'd think with all the digital crap, they could've easily done a distinct hangar, with distinct people awaiting them (Piett namely).
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Matt on September 5, 2011, 09:57 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/LvaXW.gif)
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Jesse James on September 5, 2011, 11:46 PM
hah
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Crackbrick on September 6, 2011, 07:26 AM
What is this from?

cb


(http://i.imgur.com/LvaXW.gif)
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: McMetal on September 6, 2011, 09:32 AM
After re-watching the movies again this weekend, there is one horrible glaring issue that has ALWAYS bothered me that they could have easily "fixed" but I'm sure they chose not to.

Boba Fett should NEVER scream like a little girl going into the Sarlacc pit.

That one seemingly insignificant detail just about ruins the whole character to me. Galaxy's most feared bounty hunter, yet he squeals with fear over a giant Venus flytrap. Suuuuure.

Taking that out would almost balance out the travesty of Vader's "Nooo". Almost.

Also, since no one else seems to want to take the hard-liner position, I will. These are not Lucas's movies - they belong to the public now as all great works of art do. It is the imperfections which give movies their character and personality for lack of a better word. (IMHO)

You don't go back and tweak "Potemkin" or "Citizen Kane" just because you can. SW is no different, Lucas be damned. Just my two cents~
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: P-Siddy on September 6, 2011, 10:21 AM
When is George going to get to "Howard the Duck" re-edits?  ;)  ;D
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Jayson on September 6, 2011, 01:06 PM
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You’ve been so busy being a princess, you haven’t learned how to be a woman. I could have helped you!

New Empire cutscene on EW.com (http://insidemovies.ew.com/2011/09/06/star-wars-empire-strikes-back-deleted-scene/)
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Jesse James on September 6, 2011, 01:40 PM
I liked that...  It was more "Classic Han" to me...  He's aggressive, and a horndog.  Kind of would've liked to have seen that integrated a bit more I guess.  I like him walking away from her, but her walking away from him because he's sort of being a pig is kind of funny too.
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Matt on September 6, 2011, 07:32 PM
For those who are still planning on buying this atrocity:

(http://i.imgur.com/l1tXU.jpg)
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: User897 on September 6, 2011, 10:05 PM
No way in hell.  The lithographs are crap.  The Blu-rays are crap.  Star Wars has become crap.  Thank you very little, George.  Not even if the lithographs were lined with gold.  Until the original, award-winning versions are made available to us:

NO SALE.

It's Harmy's AVCHD Despecialized Editions for me.  I've spent no money on official releases since 2006, and it's going to stay that way.  Sure, there's the bonus materials, but those will be made available for FREE soon enough.
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: MisterPL on September 6, 2011, 10:11 PM
Thor! I can't wait!  ;D
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Jayson on September 6, 2011, 10:11 PM
Finally! Barbie Princess Charm School on DVD.
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Jesse James on September 6, 2011, 10:53 PM
The real rebellion against the Blu Rays would be buying the Lady Antebellum CD because you'd be buying a CD...  who does that?
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: P-Siddy on September 6, 2011, 11:06 PM
If Lucas wants to keep tinkering with the old movies, why not just do a modern reboot with Zac Efron or whoever's popular with the teen girls these days.
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Matt_Fury on September 7, 2011, 12:19 AM
You don't go back and tweak "Potemkin" or "Citizen Kane" just because you can. SW is no different, Lucas be damned. Just my two cents~

Peter Griffin tweaked Citizen Kane. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ILSbYH9pvjQ)
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: darth broem 2 on September 7, 2011, 12:49 AM
If Lucas wants to keep tinkering with the old movies, why not just do a modern reboot with Zac Efron or whoever's popular with the teen girls these days.

No, no, no.  Zac Efron was soooooooo yesterday.  Justin Bieber is the only way to go now :)

I will still be buying up the Blu-Rays.  The "Vader No" scene has actually grown on me a bit the past few days.  Besides I have the unaltered ones on DVD from the "extras" during the last release.  Which buy the way I watched over the weekend to see Greedo shoot first and the Death Stars blow up without halos.  I had forgotten about the brown cloud under Luke's Landspeeder.  Fun stuff.  I don't know why Lucas just does not add that into the Blu-Ray extras?  Oh well. 

I know.  I know.  Burn me at the stake for lining Lucas' pockets...blah...blah...blah.  I probably will go for the Target Lithograph. If nothing else the Complete Saga is the cheapest I have seen so far at $80. 
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Diddly on September 7, 2011, 01:43 AM
The real rebellion against the Blu Rays would be buying the Lady Antebellum CD because you'd be buying a CD...  who does that?

I just bought 3 CDs last week...  :'(
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Matt R. on September 7, 2011, 03:41 AM
Peter Griffin tweaked Citizen Kane. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ILSbYH9pvjQ)

Speaking of Citizen Kane, it also comes out on blu-ray on the week on SW.  excited   :)
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: User897 on September 7, 2011, 05:22 AM
The real rebellion against the Blu Rays would be buying the Lady Antebellum CD because you'd be buying a CD...  who does that?

I just bought 3 CDs last week...  :'(
And my CD of The Black Hole soundtrack by John Barry is in the mail from Intrada.  Buying CD's doesn't happen near as often as I'd like, actually.
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Jesse James on September 7, 2011, 01:07 PM
Hmm, well I guess we know who now. :)
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Scockery on September 7, 2011, 06:14 PM
That deleted scene had all the breadth of a Bantha and just about as much smarm.
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: MistaBinks on September 7, 2011, 10:46 PM
The images are a little too big to post w/out messing up screen.

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Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: jedicrippler on September 7, 2011, 11:01 PM
If Lucas wants to keep tinkering with the old movies, why not just do a modern reboot with Zac Efron or whoever's popular with the teen girls these days.

No, no, no.  Zac Efron was soooooooo yesterday.  Justin Bieber is the only way to go now :)

I will still be buying up the Blu-Rays.  The "Vader No" scene has actually grown on me a bit the past few days.  Besides I have the unaltered ones on DVD from the "extras" during the last release.  Which buy the way I watched over the weekend to see Greedo shoot first and the Death Stars blow up without halos.  I had forgotten about the brown cloud under Luke's Landspeeder.  Fun stuff.  I don't know why Lucas just does not add that into the Blu-Ray extras?  Oh well. 

I know.  I know.  Burn me at the stake for lining Lucas' pockets...blah...blah...blah.  I probably will go for the Target Lithograph. If nothing else the Complete Saga is the cheapest I have seen so far at $80.

I agree completely.  I've got the unaltered versions on DVD from the last release.  I've also got a couple different versions on VHS still.  And Adywan's version of ANH as well.  I'll wait to judge changes & additions until I actually watch the films when I get them.

And I'd swear I'd signed up here a while back.  Odd.
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Jesse James on September 7, 2011, 11:17 PM
I thought you had too JC (nice to see you again).

I'm a big Adywan proponent...  For me, that guy's made the definitive ANH.  I can't wait for ESB edit and ROTJ edit to hit.
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Jayson on September 7, 2011, 11:24 PM
TPM scenes with New Digital Yoda (http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xkxep9_nuevas-secuencias-de-yoda-digital-en-star-wars-episodio-i-blu-ray_shortfilms)
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Jesse James on September 7, 2011, 11:38 PM
A lot better...  A whole lot better.
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Scott on September 7, 2011, 11:51 PM
Agreed...the whole "No more...no less scene", yoda looks straight outta ESB.  Really well done
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Jesse James on September 7, 2011, 11:59 PM
The way his eyes move contemplatively...  Outstanding.  Instead of looking like he's hopped up on coke.
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Master_Phruby on September 8, 2011, 12:30 AM
I think the Yoda replacement in EP1 is really the only "improvement" I would agree with. I wonder if they will have just EP1 on DVD with the CG Yoda. That would be a worthly upgrade.
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Matt R. on September 8, 2011, 03:16 AM
I am wondering if CGI Yoda is the only improvements in the Prequel side of the saga.
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Nicklab on September 8, 2011, 09:57 AM
CGI Yoda does look a lot more "Like Yoda" than the Episode I puppet.  But in the scene with Obi-Wan there are some weird things going on with the lighting and the depth of field.
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Matt R. on September 8, 2011, 06:25 PM
Bleedingcool.com has the list of SW deleted scene with time length of each scene here is the list.  Its Long, sorry

00:00:25:05 (TRASH TALKING DROID)
 00:00:18:10 (THE BATTLE IS OVER)
 00:00:15:23 (ANAKIN’S RETURN)
 00:00:17:15 (BATTLE ON THE BOARDING RAMP)
 00:01:21:19 (EXTENDED POD RACE WAGER)
 00:00:17:02 (BAIL ORGANA OF ALDERAAN)
 00:00:57:15 (EXTENDED SPEEDER CHASE)
 00:00:53:09 (THE LOST TWENTY)
 00:00:55:00 (ANAKIN’S NIGHTMARE)
 00:00:41:24 (ANAKIN AND RUWEE)
 00:03:42:17 (RAID ON THE DROID CONTROL SHIP AND EXTENDED ARENA FIGHT)
 00:01:25:21 (ELEVATOR ANTICS)
 00:02:22:23 (ESCAPE THROUGH THE HANGER)
 00:01:49:12 (CHANGES TO CONSTITUTION)
 00:08:03:10 (UTAPAU CHASE ANIMATICS)
 00:03:19:04 (MUSTAFAR DUEL ANIMATICS)
 00:03:31:08 (MUSTAFAR DUEL / LAVA RIVER ANIMATICS)
 00:06:20:14 (KAHYYYK AND ORDER 66 ANIMATIC)
 00:00:36:00 (JEDI IMPOSTERS AT THE TEMPLE)
 00:05:10:17 (SENATE DUEL ANIMATIC)
 00:00:48:10 (YODA COMMUNES WITH QUI-GON)
 00:00:26:08 (ANAKIN KILLS SHAAK TI)
 00:04:58:24 (TOSCHE STATION)
 00:00:31:13 (THE SEARCH FOR R2-D2)
 00:00:42:12 (STORMTROOPER SEARCH)
 00:00:24:17 (DARTH VADER WIDENS THE SEARCH)
 00:00:24:20 (ALTERNATE BIGGS AND LUKE REUNION)
 00:01:29:05 (HAN AND LEIA: EXTENDED ECHO BASE ARGUMENT)
 00:01:59:17 (LUKE & LEIA: MEDICAL CENTRE)
 00:02:27:03 (DELETED WAMPA SCENES)
 00:00:20:08 (THE FATE OF GENERAL VEERS)
 00:01:03:16 (LUKE’S RECOVERY)
 00:01:08:04 (YODA’S TEST)
 00:00:53:15 (HIDING IN THE ASTEROID)
 00:00:51:12 (LEIA TENDS TO LUKE)
 00:02:33:19 (VADER’S ARRIVAL AND REACHING OUT TO LUKE)
 00:01:59:19 (TATOOINE SANDSTORM)
 00:02:07:02 (REBEL RAID ON BUNKER)
 00:00:22:00 (JERJERROD’S CONFLICT)
 00:06:50:07 (CANTINA ROUGH CUT)
 00:00:20:10 (AUNT BERU’S BLUE MILK)
 00:00:13:11 (OLD WOMAN ON TATOOINE)
 00:01:45:05 (ALTERNATE HAN AND LEIA KISS)
 00:00:45:02 (LOBOT’S CAPTURE)
 00:09:06:20 (BATTLE OF ENDOR: THE LOST REBELS)
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Nicklab on September 8, 2011, 06:39 PM
9 minutes of "The Lost Rebels"?!?!?  I really hope the General Madine scene is in there where he's going CRAZY!
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Jayson on September 8, 2011, 07:27 PM
It must be cold on that bridge. The black guy is wearing Hoth gear.

(http://www.starwarz.com/tbone/plugins/p17_image_gallery/images/1163.jpg) (http://www.starwarz.com/tbone/index.php?categoryid=11&p2_articleid=443)
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Nicklab on September 8, 2011, 07:43 PM
I think we may have found the next ICMG!  That guy is just SCREAMING for an obscure action figure.
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Master_Phruby on September 8, 2011, 08:45 PM
So are we getting back the scene on hoth were Luke is in the medical bay and he tries to tell Leia that he loves her and then Han and Chewie come in? I remember seeing this scene when the movie was originally released.
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Jesse James on September 8, 2011, 09:29 PM
(http://drvtv.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/george-jefferson3951.jpg)

He's got sweet Sherman Helmsley Hair.

And it's cold in space, duh. :)

Someone probably just has the AC cranked though.  I'd like to see that scene but I'm happy to not have to explain away another f'd up ROTJ Uniform gaffe.
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: MikeT on September 8, 2011, 10:04 PM
These guys didn't burn their clothes just because they left Hoth--especially a sweet lookin' jacket like that. Madine's wearing layers too so yeah it might be chilly.    ;D
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Nicklab on September 8, 2011, 10:06 PM
I think it's pretty clear about the uniform:  the Rebellion is on a tight budget.   They can't be affording different climate uniforms for EVERYBODY!  ::)
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Symposium on September 12, 2011, 07:36 AM
What is this from?

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Spaced

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Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: iFett on September 12, 2011, 11:02 AM
So looks like TRU has (at least the OT Blu Trilogy) for $29.99 and Target seems to have the best enchilada price at $79.99.  I may not agree with the changes, but I still plan on picking this up just to check out all the extra features.
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Greedo The Green Menace on September 12, 2011, 11:56 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/xWweh.gif)

I always knew it was self defense.
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Jesse James on September 12, 2011, 12:02 PM
ROFL
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Jayson on September 12, 2011, 03:16 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/xWweh.gif)

I always knew it was self defense.

HA! Alderaan shot first!
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: McMetal on September 13, 2011, 09:05 AM
So looks like TRU has (at least the OT Blu Trilogy) for $29.99 and Target seems to have the best enchilada price at $79.99.  I may not agree with the changes, but I still plan on picking this up just to check out all the extra features.

According to the RS Summary posted yesterday, Target is selling the enchilada for $99.99 and it's actually Walmart and Best Buy who are selling it for $79.99. I honestly am not sure what is accurate anymore. I guess I will try Wally first and then Target as my back-up. I won't ever step foot in a Best Buy again if I can help it.
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Jeff on September 13, 2011, 10:15 AM
That Rebelscum report seems to be using the on-line shops to quote prices (like Target.com).  The weekly ad that came out on Sunday has the $79.99 price for the 9-disc set at the brick-and-mortar Target stores.
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Matt on September 13, 2011, 10:17 AM
Target - $79 with the lithographs

Best Buy - $89 with a Vader t-shirt

Walmart - $?? with the Fett poster (I would guess $89 unless they match Target)

TRU - $94 with Artoo USB drive (at least that's what their website (http://www.toysrus.com/search/index.jsp?kwCatId=&kw=star%20wars%20blu&origkw=star+wars+blu&f=Taxonomy/TRUS/2254197&sr=1) says--I don't have an ad for them)

Amazon - $79
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Jesse James on September 13, 2011, 12:59 PM
A $15-ish 2 Gig USB Drive?  Way to go TRU!
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Matt on September 13, 2011, 02:49 PM
It must be cold on that bridge. The black guy is wearing Hoth gear.

(http://www.starwarz.com/tbone/plugins/p17_image_gallery/images/1163.jpg) (http://www.starwarz.com/tbone/index.php?categoryid=11&p2_articleid=443)

(http://drvtv.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/george-jefferson3951.jpg)

He's got sweet Sherman Helmsley Hair.

And it's cold in space, duh. :)

Someone probably just has the AC cranked though.  I'd like to see that scene but I'm happy to not have to explain away another f'd up ROTJ Uniform gaffe.

Uh-oh.

(http://i.imgur.com/7d54Kl.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/7d54K.jpg)

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Taken from the 2004 DVD, click for bigger.
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Jesse James on September 13, 2011, 04:16 PM
Up, he's there...  Well I guess it's just cold in space.  Now I really want a figure of the guy.  Looks like he's wearing the typical fleet officer outfit below (high jack boots, tan pants) like he should...  It being cold is a pretty plausible excuse for why he's not wearing his "Antilles" jacket then I guess.

I want the guy trying to look like the "Bram Stoker's Dracula" there beside Nein Numb too...  That's some poof.

Oh, and thanks for making that have to crowbar in with all the other uniform crowbarring from ROTJ.  :)  None of it is as bad as every Imperial having the same rank I guess, haha.
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Matt on September 13, 2011, 09:52 PM
From the review up at blu-ray.com (http://www.blu-ray.com/movies/Star-Wars-Blu-ray/14903/#Review)

Bonus Disc 2: Original Trilogy Features

Episode IV - Tatooine

    Interviews
        Tatooine Overview (3:49): Production illustrator Ralph McQuarrie talks about some of his initial paintings/drawings for George Lucas, 2nd Cameraman Dennis Muren discusses the Tunisian shoot, and sound effect artist Ben Burtt describes how he came up with the Jawa language.
        Mark Hamill Interview (2:15): Hamill briefly discusses working with Lucas, meeting Alec Guiness, and having fun on set.
        Anthony Daniels Interview (1:21): Daniels talks about the odd couple relationship between C-3PO and R2.
    Deleted/Extended Scenes
        Tosche Station (5:21): Awesome. Ever wonder what Tosche Station is? Turns out it's the local hangout for Luke and his buddies. There's a great scene here where Biggs reveals to Luke his plan to join the rebellion. You can see why this was cut--it would definitely slow down the film-- but it's a great piece of previously unseen Star Wars history.
        Old Woman on Tatooine (00:24): An elderly woman tells Luke to drive safely.
        Aunt Beru's Blue Milk (00:31): A shot of Beru filling up her pitcher with that gross-looking gray/blue liquid they drink at the dinner table.
        The Search for R2-D2 (00:42): Lucas cut this scene because he thought the rear projection visual effects weren't up to snuff.
        Cantina Rough Cut (7:18): A preliminary version of the Cantina sequence. Look out for Han-Solo hanging out with a local lady friend!
        Stormtrooper Search (00:54): Some of this unused footage found its way into the Star Wars Holiday Special.

    The Collection: Includes sections for Landspeeder Prototype Model, Millenium Falcon Prototype Model, R2-D2, Tatooine From Orbit Matte Painting, Jawa Costume, Tusken Raider Mask, and Ketwol Mask.
        360 Degree Turnarounds
        Video Commentaries
    Concept Art Gallery

Episode IV - Aboard the Death Star

    Interviews
        Aboard the Death Star Overview (5:47): Sound effects designer Ben Burtt talks about how he had a "field day" making sounds for the Death Star.
        Carrie Fisher Interview (1:45): Fischer discusses the audition process and her reaction to her theme in the score.
    Deleted/Extended Scene
        Darth Vader Widens the Search (00:36): Additional footage that made its way into the holiday special.

    The Collection: Includes sections for Death Star Prototype Model, Holo-Chess Set, Bridge Power Trench Matte Painting, and Luke's Stormtrooper Torso.
        360 Degree Turnarounds
        Video Commentaries
    Concept Art Gallery

Episode IV - The Battle of Yavin

    Battle of Yavin Overview (4:22): Dennis Muren discusses the process of filming the Death Star trench run sequence.
    Deleted/Extended Scene
        Alternate Biggs and Luke Reunion (00:36): An extended version of the scene, including a reference to Anakin.

    The Collection: Includes sections for X-Wing Fighter Prototype and Final Models, Y-Wing Prototype and Final Models, TIE Fighter Prototype and Final Models, Darth Vader's TIE Fighter Model, X-Wing Pilot Costume, Death Star Laster Tower Model, and Yavin 4 Matte Painting.
        360 Degree Turnarounds
        Video Commentaries
    Concept Art Gallery

Episode V - Hoth

    Interviews
        Hoth Overview (3:31): Dennis Muren explains how he tried to do as many of the effects in-camera to avoid having to do complicated composite work. There's some great footage here of the filming of some stop-motion sequences.
        George Lucas on Editing The Empire Strikes Back, 1979 (3:25): A vintage interview with George, who compares editing to constructing a house.
        Irvin Kershner Interview (3:02): Kershner gives his thoughts on Mark Hamill, Harrison Ford, and Carrie Fisher.
    Deleted/Extended Scenes
        Han and Leia: Extended Echo Base Argument (1:43): Nice. In this long version of their arguement, Han tells Leia, "You're as cold as this planet."
        Luke's Recovery (1:16): Additional footage of Luke in the medical tank.
        Luke and Leia: Medical Center (2:15): Luke and Leia very nearly end up making out, only to be interrupted by R2.
        Deleted Wampa Scenes (2:43): In the script, the Wampa was supposed to rampage through the Hoth base, but Lucas was unimpressed with the effects work--it's not hard to see why, the Wampa looks like a guy wearing a shag carpet--and the subplot was cut.
        The Fate of General Veers (00:31): Here, General Veers suffers a kamikaze attack from a snowspeeder.

    The Collection: Includes sections for AT-AT Walker Fallen Model, Snowspeeder Model, Tauntaun Maquette, Rebel Transport Model, Hoth Landscape Matte Painting, Leia Hoth Costume, and Han Solo Interior Hoth Costume.
        360 Degree Turnarounds
        Video Commentaries
    Concept Art Gallery

Episode V - Dagobah

    Interviews
        Dagobah Overview (4:29): A behind-the-scenes look at the Dagobah set, which presented some unique challenges to shooting. Frank Oz also discusses Yoda's speech syntax.
        George Lucas on the Force, 2010 (5:20): Lucas talks about the philosophy of the Force in what looks to be a writer's room.
    Deleted/Extended Scene
        Yoda's Test (1:21): The special effects were never completed on this sequence, which has Yoda levitating a silver bar and having Luke try to slice it in half.

    The Collection: Includes sections for Yoda Model, Luke's Severed Head, Dagobah Bog Matte Painting, Dagobah Matte Painting, and Luke's Tan Costume.
        360 Degree Turnarounds
        Video Commentaries
    Concept Art Gallery

Episode V - Pursued by the Imperial Fleet

    Pursued by the Imperial Fleet Overview (3:25): Muren talks about the execution of the astroid chase sequence.
    Deleted/Extended Scenes
        Hiding in the Astroid (1:06): Here we see Harrison Ford and Carrie Fisher reacting to "explosions," which were really just the cameraman shaking the camera.
        Alternate Han and Leia Kiss (1:59): A longer version of the Han/Leia kiss, with C-3PO ruining the moment.

    The Collection: Includes sections for Star Destroyer Model, Millennium Falcon Model, Space Slug, Darth Vader's Star Destroyer Model, Star Destroyer Hull Model, Executor Bridge Matte Painting, Boba Fett Prototype Costume, Imperial Officer Costume, and Rebel Cruiser Model.
        360 Degree Turnarounds
        Video Commentaries
    Concept Art Gallery

Episode V - Cloud City

    Cloud City Overview (2:54): Production designer Norman Reynolds talks about the influence of the Bauhaus school of architecture on Cloud City.
    Deleted/Extended Scenes
        Lobot's Capture (00:57): Here, Lando's aide, Lobot, is captured for his role in the rebel escape.
        Leia Tends to Luke (1:03): Leia works on Luke's arm and talks about how Han was taken by Boba Fett.

    The Collection: Includes sections for Twin-Pod Cloud Car Model, Cloud City Models, Cloud City Matte Painting, Cloud City Landing Platform Matte Painting, Cloud City Core Vane Matte Painting, Core Vane Platform Matte Painting, Lando Bespin Costume, and Slave I Matte Painting.
        360 Degree Turnarounds
        Video Commentaries
    Concept Art Gallery

Episode VI - Tatooine

    Tatooine Overview: A look at the production design for Jabba's palace.
    Deleted/Extended Scenes
        Vader's Arrival and Reaching Out to Luke (2:50): A nearly complete sequence that almost made it into the final cut, with Vader contacting Luke via the Force while Luke builds his new lightsaber.
        Tatooine Sandstorm (2:15): An impressive sandstorm sequence that never made it into the film. With big goggles and a scarf blowing in the wind, Han Solo looks like a badass here.

    The Collection: Includes sections for Rancor Maquette, EV-9D9, Salacious B. Crumb, C-3PO's Head, Jabba's Palace Matte Painting, Sarlacc Pit Matte Painting, Leia's Boushh Costume, Leia's Slave Costume, Lando Skiff Guard Costume, and Jabba's Radio Controlled Eyes.
        360 Degree Turnarounds
        Video Commentaries
    Concept Art Gallery

Episode VI - Endor

    Interviews
        Endor Overview (4:52): Dennis Muren explains how he initially planed out the speeder-bike chase using G.I. Joe models, and how he simulated 100mph speeds by shooting one frame per second.
        Harrison Ford Interview (1:34): Ford talks about Lucas' vision and process.
    Deleted/Extended Scene
        Rebel Raid on the Bunker (2:22): In this extended sequence, the rebels encounter more resistance as they storm the bunker.

    The Collection: Includes sections for AT-ST Walker Model, Speeder Bike, Imperial Shuttle Model, Ewok Hang Glider Maquette, Imperial Shuttle Landing Matte Painting, Endor Landing Platform Matte Painting, Ewok Costume, and Biker Scout Costume.
        360 Degree Turnarounds
        Video Commentaries
    Concept Art Gallery

Episode VI - Death Star II Space Battle

    Death Star II Space Battle Overview (4:04): Model maker Bill George discusses the added complexities of shooting this attack on the second Death Star.
    Deleted/Extended Scenes
        Jerjerrod's Conflict (2:28): Minor character Commander Jerjerrod was featured in a few additional shots that were ultimately cut from the film. Here, we see his reluctance to carry out the attack on the Endor moon.
        Battle of Endor: The Lost Rebels (9:40): Nine minutes of footage of rebel pilots who never made it into the film, including two female pilots and an Admiral Ackbar-type creature who, at one point, yells out, "Fried calamari tonight!"

    The Collection: Includes sections for B-Wing Fighter Model, TIE Interceptor Fighter Model, Death Star Under Construction Model, Imperial Shuttle Bay Matte Painting, Admiral Ackbar Costume, Death Star Docking Bay Matte Painting, and Millennium Falcon in Hangar Matte Painting.
        360 Degree Turnarounds
        Video Commentaries
    Concept Art Gallery
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: McMetal on September 15, 2011, 08:54 AM
So where can I pick this up at midnight tonight? Is Walmart my only option?
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Diddly on September 15, 2011, 12:44 PM
Target - $79 with the lithographs

Best Buy - $89 with a Vader t-shirt

Walmart - $?? with the Fett poster (I would guess $89 unless they match Target)

TRU - $94 with Artoo USB drive (at least that's what their website (http://www.toysrus.com/search/index.jsp?kwCatId=&kw=star%20wars%20blu&origkw=star+wars+blu&f=Taxonomy/TRUS/2254197&sr=1) says--I don't have an ad for them)

Amazon - $79

Man, what a ****** bunch of exclusives. I'd rather buy at Best Buy, but I need to track down a Target ad so they can price match.
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: iFett on September 15, 2011, 01:00 PM
Man, what a ****** bunch of exclusives. I'd rather buy at Best Buy, but I need to track down a Target ad so they can price match.

I remember back in 04 picking up the OT I got BB to price match Target or WM and they did, but they wouldn't give me whatever exclusive they had going with it unless I paid full price. 

Not that I care about any of these exclusives..just sayin
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: McMetal on September 15, 2011, 03:10 PM
Sounds like Walmart is the best bet stateside for picking this up tonight at midnight.

I'll be there!
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Jimree on September 15, 2011, 03:36 PM
I saw someone posted the lithos from target over at Rebelscum, They looked more like a postcard set, at least about the same size.

I could be wrong about it tho, since it was the mexican version.

Thanks,
Jim
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Matt on September 15, 2011, 10:52 PM
Maybe this doesn't have anything to do with Star Wars, per se, but since this probably wouldn't be a story without Lucas' latest round of tampering, I'll post it here.

Steven Spielberg Regrets Altering ‘E.T.;’ Will Release ‘E.T.’ and ‘Raiders’ on Blu-ray in Original Forms (http://www.slashfilm.com/steven-spielberg-regrets-altering-et-raiders-hit-bluray-original-forms/)

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On Tuesday, Steven Spielberg appeared in LA after a screening of a new digital print of Raiders of the Lost Ark. The print was created from the same new master files that will ultimately be used to create a Blu-ray release. And in a move that will likely delight fans, he expressed regret over alterations made to E.T. a few years ago, where guns were digitally replaced with walkie-talkies, and says that the Blu-ray release of that film will be the original 1982 version. His comments also suggested that the few digital tweaks made to Raiders of the Lost Ark for its 2003 DVD release might also be rolled back.

We’ll have another piece with other good trivia bits that came out of the post-screening talk, but the E.T. and Raiders blu-ray comments are below.

In his early comments after the Raiders screening, Spielberg highlighted that the audience saw the original version of Raiders as seen in first release.  He crowed,

   
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This is the best I think it’s ever looked, because in preparation for the eventual release on blu-ray we had to correct the print again and get the original negative out of the salt mines, and then we had to do the separations, and basically the files, which are just amazing, with all the technology of today, without changing any of the movie materially, we haven’t removed anything, we haven’t added CGI, there’s no digital enhancements! It’s purely the movie you some of you may remember from 1981.

That suggests that even the few digital cleanups made for DVD, such as the erasing of a snake’s reflection in protective plexiglass, won’t be on the new blu-ray, which is great to hear.

Later, he said,

   
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For myself, I tried [changing a film] once and lived to regret it. Not because of fan outrage, but because I was disappointed in myself. I got overly sensitive to [some of the reaction] to E.T., and I thought if technology evolved, [I might go in and change some things]…it was OK for a while, but I realized what I had done was I had robbed people who loved E.T. of their memories of E.T. [...] If I put just one cut of E.T. on Blu-ray and it was the 1982, would anyone object to that? [The crowd yells "NO!" in unison.] OK, so be it.
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: McMetal on September 15, 2011, 11:12 PM
48 minutes and counting!  :D

Hoping to watch all the OT deleted scenes before I pass out and have to wake up for work at 6:30am.

Holla!
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Jabba the Slug on September 15, 2011, 11:34 PM
Maybe this doesn't have anything to do with Star Wars, per se, but since this probably wouldn't be a story without Lucas' latest round of tampering, I'll post it here.

Steven Spielberg Regrets Altering ‘E.T.;’ Will Release ‘E.T.’ and ‘Raiders’ on Blu-ray in Original Forms (http://www.slashfilm.com/steven-spielberg-regrets-altering-et-raiders-hit-bluray-original-forms/)

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On Tuesday, Steven Spielberg appeared in LA after a screening of a new digital print of Raiders of the Lost Ark. The print was created from the same new master files that will ultimately be used to create a Blu-ray release. And in a move that will likely delight fans, he expressed regret over alterations made to E.T. a few years ago, where guns were digitally replaced with walkie-talkies, and says that the Blu-ray release of that film will be the original 1982 version. His comments also suggested that the few digital tweaks made to Raiders of the Lost Ark for its 2003 DVD release might also be rolled back.

We’ll have another piece with other good trivia bits that came out of the post-screening talk, but the E.T. and Raiders blu-ray comments are below.

In his early comments after the Raiders screening, Spielberg highlighted that the audience saw the original version of Raiders as seen in first release.  He crowed,

   
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This is the best I think it’s ever looked, because in preparation for the eventual release on blu-ray we had to correct the print again and get the original negative out of the salt mines, and then we had to do the separations, and basically the files, which are just amazing, with all the technology of today, without changing any of the movie materially, we haven’t removed anything, we haven’t added CGI, there’s no digital enhancements! It’s purely the movie you some of you may remember from 1981.

That suggests that even the few digital cleanups made for DVD, such as the erasing of a snake’s reflection in protective plexiglass, won’t be on the new blu-ray, which is great to hear.

Later, he said,

   
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For myself, I tried [changing a film] once and lived to regret it. Not because of fan outrage, but because I was disappointed in myself. I got overly sensitive to [some of the reaction] to E.T., and I thought if technology evolved, [I might go in and change some things]…it was OK for a while, but I realized what I had done was I had robbed people who loved E.T. of their memories of E.T. [...] If I put just one cut of E.T. on Blu-ray and it was the 1982, would anyone object to that? [The crowd yells "NO!" in unison.] OK, so be it.

Maybe if George took some tips from his pal Steven Spielberg...
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Jesse James on September 16, 2011, 02:13 AM
So anyone else hearing about WM not having the Complete Saga set available, just the Prequals or OT?  A couple friends of mine said that's what they saw at WM's around here, but I didn't personally go out since I don't own a BR player anyway.
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Jimree on September 16, 2011, 02:31 AM
Jesse,
I went to Delmont Wal-Mart. There was 1 other guy there, maybe in his late 50's buying it for his son. They had the complete saga, as well as the PT and OT. None of it was out yet, all in boxes, behind the counter. It was an older guy working the counter, and when I asked if there was a poster, he said he didn't know anything about it. I didn't push the subject, becasue the poster was just ok to me. (if someone got it tho, and don't want it, let me know).

The set for the guy in front of me, rang up at 89.99, but he had them price match target at 79.99. When he left, they scanned mine, it rang up at 79.96 without a price match.So wal-mart must have changed their computers pretty quick.

Picked up the Complete Saga and the Padawan Menace.

But people who work at wal-mart never know their exclusives it seems

Jim
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Jesse James on September 16, 2011, 02:39 AM
Well that's good then.  A guy in Cranberry said they had none (he got there late though), and a guy in Natrona Hts. told me same dealie, only the 3-film sets.  Same on the LIthos too, the employees had no idea about them.

No new toys either.

I saw on Twitter that Imp Holocron (eFranks' place) didn't have any COmplete Saga either.  Weird.
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: McMetal on September 16, 2011, 09:06 AM
Yeah, I had a smimilar experience, where I proved my local status as King Geek.

Here's the deal: Walmart has a big display for these things that is shaped like an AT-AT. I saw them roll it out from the stockroom last night right after midnight. It was already pre-packed, but only with the OT/PT sets, not the Complete Saga. These things were nowhere to be found out on the floor.

Come to find out, there were only 5 copies of the Complete Set behind the check-out desk. FIVE. I was 4th in line. Luckily no one is front of me bought multiples, so I got one.

Here's the best part: When I got up to pay for my copy, I asked them if that long cardboard box the copies were sitting on behind the counter contained the free poster that was supposed to be given away to the first 50 customers. Blank stare. "Posters?" They opened it and sure enough I got my big-ass lizard riding Fett poster. All 3 dudes in front of me walked away emptyhanded because their Geek-Fu was not as strong.  ;D

So yeah, you may have to ask for the free swag, and maybe even need help actually finding the Complete Saga set.

Now, on to the good stuff:

I was able to watch all 50 minutes of deleted OT scenes last night before passing out. They range from awesome to sucky, but overall worth the price of the set alone, IMHO.

The most interesting scene is the one with Biggs, in that it gives you an different sort of perspective on the Empire and why people are actually rebelling against it. He has a neat line about the Empire "nationalizing commerce in the inner systems" or something like that which I found pretty cool. That dude is not a great actor though, the whole scene plays out rather stiffly. And Carnie and Fixer are a couple of Jag-offs, for real.

I loved the extended Cantina scene, with Han and "Jenny" and the good old bloody flipper hand on the floor.

I also loved the cut Wampa scenes, although I agree that thing looked pretty unrealistic. The whole shtick about 3PO pulling the sign off one of the holding pens and jacking up an oblivious snowtrooper who wanders in after him is priceless.

Loved seeing the fate of Lobot, although that was a bit of a quickie.

Loved the lightsaber building scene, that was way cool. Ditto the sandstorm scene, Lando looks badass with his goggles.

REALLY loved the added interior shots of the Falcon during the Battle of Endor, where they actually show Rebel troopers manning the gunnery stations. This would have been a good one to keep in the final cut, IMO. It never made sense to me how Lando and Nien Nunb could be doing EVERYTHING from the cockpit by themselves in that battle.

Great little snippet of Han's reaction to the classic "You rebel scum" blast: "Scum?!?!"  :D

Awesome scene with the Imperial officer telling Vader he is not allowed in to see the Emperor. That one almost gave me chills.

The pilot 1-on-1 sequences seemed hokey to me. The actors do not seem to have a good grasp of the dialogue. One of the women looks like she is about 75 years old. (The rebellion must have really been hurting for pilots) I did love the "Fried Calamari line" and something about "this is the last time I fly Lucas airlines"...LOL.

The only deleted scene that REALLY disappointed me was the death of General Veers. It's like not even a real filmed scene, sort of a cut-up with storyboards, animatics, etc. I was hoping for some kind of shot of Hobbie's snowspeeder actually hitting the At-At.

Ah well, it was fantastic nostalgia to watch that stuff, can't wait to tear into ANH tonight after the Clone Wars premier!
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: DoctorPadawan on September 16, 2011, 12:41 PM
I'm doing the nerdy thing and watching the six films in order, then the bonus features.  I just finished watching TPM, and I'm thrilled with how good it looks.  I don't remember it looking this good in the theater, and certainly not on VHS/DVD.  I'm not talking about the uptick in quality that Blu Ray has over other format, per se, but the attention and care given to the look really improves the visual presentation.  The DVD looked like crap to me and it really stuck out like a sore thumb, quality-wise, alongside the other two PT films and the OT DVDs.  That has now been fixed.  There is a slight dip in visual quality during the "extended" pod race scenes (i.e. the additions made to the DVD release are of lower quality than the theatrical material), but overall, TPM looks incredible.

(Cue the comments about "Well, The Phantom Menace sucked anyway!"  I'm not talking about the content of the film itself; just the visual presentation.)

The only real noticeable change is the CG Yoda (which looks great, again), although I did notice two other changes: the first is that the Neimoidian viewscreen looks redone (I just confirmed that this was altered on MF.com) when Nute and Rune are watching Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan escape the Droidekas, and the Senate no longer chants "VOTE NOW!" after Amidala makes her motion for a vote of no confidence in Valorum.  Weird.

I bought my set at Target, btw, and got my set of lithographs, although I had to ask for them, as they hadn't put them out.  They were part of some display drop, and the guy working electronics said that they only got 10 sets for the whole store.  Something tells me they won't last.  I just couldn't get excited about that ridiculous poster of Boba Fett riding a Varactyl at Wal-Mart; if it had been Han Solo fighting that Otter thing, maybe. :)
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: iFett on September 16, 2011, 12:49 PM
I bought my set at Target, btw, and got my set of lithographs, although I had to ask for them, as they hadn't put them out.  They were part of some display drop, and the guy working electronics said that they only got 10 sets for the whole store.  Something tells me they won't last.  I just couldn't get excited about that ridiculous poster of Boba Fett riding a Varactyl at Wal-Mart; if it had been Han Solo fighting that Otter thing, maybe. :)

Ya my Target only had 1 lithograph set left this morning so I caved and bought the set because of that for some reason.  Was planning on getting the set at Target anyways, but don't like the fact they put those "don't steal me" devices on there which damages the packaging..oh well.  I guess I should be more concerned with the movies instead.  The lithographs are actually decent sized and quite nice - except for that stupid collage.
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Carpeteria3000 on September 16, 2011, 02:12 PM
Color me idiotic - I guess I wasn't much paying attention to all of this, as I went and picked up just the OT BDs today at Target, expecting them to have the OT extra features, deleted scenes, etc. But it's just the movies. Which I assume everyone else in the world knew besides me. And of course I didn't figure this out until I popped it in the player and saw no options for extras other than commentaries.

Not sure if I want to shell out for everything PT related, as I frankly don't care about those movies much at all, but we'll see. I would like the deleted stuff for sure, despite the fact that I've seen a lot of it over the years online.

So yeah. Here's hoping Target takes back opened discs.
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: iFett on September 16, 2011, 02:27 PM
That sucks Carpet.  Target will only exchange for the same copy once opened so you're probably stuck with that set unless you decide to sell it.  They even open the packaging on the exchange so you can't try and return it somewhere else.
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Nicklab on September 16, 2011, 02:39 PM
Color me idiotic - I guess I wasn't much paying attention to all of this, as I went and picked up just the OT BDs today at Target, expecting them to have the OT extra features, deleted scenes, etc. But it's just the movies. Which I assume everyone else in the world knew besides me. And of course I didn't figure this out until I popped it in the player and saw no options for extras other than commentaries.

Not sure if I want to shell out for everything PT related, as I frankly don't care about those movies much at all, but we'll see. I would like the deleted stuff for sure, despite the fact that I've seen a lot of it over the years online.

So yeah. Here's hoping Target takes back opened discs.

Dude, that SUCKS!  I think you may be SOL, because once any kind of media gets opened a majority of retailers will rarely take it as a return.
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: JediJman on September 16, 2011, 02:40 PM
That stinks.  I assumed the dis s all came with the extras.  Luckily I don't have a blue ray player, so don't have to worry about it.
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Carpeteria3000 on September 16, 2011, 04:47 PM
Yeah. Hm. I wonder if I can play it off if I am trying to buy the full set in the exchange? More money for them, technically, right? Hm.
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Diddly on September 16, 2011, 07:23 PM
Dang it DocP, I wish I hadn't read your post before opening my set, now I'm doing the same thing. Might as well force myself to rewatch the movies now, because if I go straight to the bonus features I'll shelve this set for a while before watching them again. :P

Anyway, I picked up my set at Best Buy so I could get Reward Zone points. They wanted $79.99 for the 9 disc set too, and you got a free XXL shirt with Vader's helmet on it (the same shot as the one on the OT set). I'll never be able to fit into it but I could sleep in it or something, thus making it more useful than a poster of Fett riding Boga.

I'm halfway through PM now and the only change I've noticed (other than what DocP pointed out) is that they added CGI blinking eyes to the Nemoidians too. I must have missed that detail.
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: DoctorPadawan on September 16, 2011, 09:03 PM
Was planning on getting the set at Target anyways, but don't like the fact they put those "don't steal me" devices on there which damages the packaging..oh well.  I guess I should be more concerned with the movies instead.

If it hadn't been for the fact that Target put the only two copies of the Complete Saga they had in those oversized boxes instead of the Iron Man chest reactor thing with wires, I wouldn't have gotten it there either.  When the last two Harry Potter Ultimate Edition BRs came out, I made the Target electronics woman go into the back storeroom to get me two non-reactorfied boxes, as the ones on the shelf had huge divots dug into them on each of the four edges.  I also don't buy any BRs with those cardboard outer sleeves at Target, as the security boxes are too small for them and Target just crams them in and/or pulls them out indiscriminately, ripping the sleeve in the process.  If I'm going to pay for something, I'd prefer it not to be damaged before it even gets in my hands.

Okay, back to the BRs:  I have now watched AOTC and ROTS (in addition to TPM; yes, I watched all three prequels in one day because I had a day off from work; no, I do not live in my parents' basement; and yes, I have known the touch of a woman), and here's the rundown on what I could notice different in those:

AOTC:  Audio of Shmi screaming for Anakin to help her has been added to Anakin's dream on Naboo.  I would assume this is to tone down the Oedipal creepiness of the original version, when he's laying there with his hands under the sheets saying, "Mom, no" over and over.  It works.

AOTC:  A major change that is extremely jarring and pretty much leaves you thinking your BR/DVD player is ****** up occurs near the end of the film.  An entire 30-second time period has been reedited from the point that Dooku topples the tower over on Obi-Wan and Anakin and Yoda catches it, and the point where Padme and the Clones come in the hangar. 

ORIGINALLY:  Tower topples, Yoda catches it, Dooku runs onto Solar Sailer, Yoda moves tower away, Solar Sailer takes off, Padme and Clones shoot at Solar Sailer, Dooku goes into space, Anakin gasps, Yoda looks concerned, Anakin and Obi-Wan get up, Padme and Clones run in, Solar Sailer approaches Coruscant

BLU RAY:  Tower topples, Yoda catches it, Dooku runs onto Solar Sailer, Yoda moves tower away, Anakin gasps, Yoda looks concerned, Solar Sailer takes off, Padme and Clones shoot at Solar Sailer, Dooku goes into space, quick shot of Yoda looking concerned again, Anakin and Obi-Wan get up, Padme and Clones run in, Solar Sailer approaches Coruscant

This might not seem like much on paper, but IT SUCKS.  And what makes it worse?  The music isn't even reedited to match the transitions, meaning the scenes themselves have just been reassembled with the audio intact, which makes it extremely jarring to hear and see.  It's like turning an FM radio dial from one side to the other really fast, but with Yoda and Natalie Portman and you can imagine John Williams punching the wall.

ROTS has no really obvious changes, although I did notice that there is a great deal more Clone chatter when they first arrive on Utapau (during Obi-Wan and Grievous' duel).  This may have always been there and was just buried in the mix, but either way, it was much more noticeable this time around.

Tomorrow is OT day.  Will update with whatever changes I see when I finish watching them.


Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Jeff on September 16, 2011, 10:06 PM
Was planning on getting the set at Target anyways, but don't like the fact they put those "don't steal me" devices on there which damages the packaging..oh well.

My Target had a whole endcap display set up right at the front registers and none of the sets (PT, OT, 9-disc) had any extra packaging on them - if you want minty packaging, maybe check that out.
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Scockery on September 16, 2011, 11:39 PM
Color me idiotic - I guess I wasn't much paying attention to all of this, as I went and picked up just the OT BDs today at Target, expecting them to have the OT extra features, deleted scenes, etc. But it's just the movies. Which I assume everyone else in the world knew besides me. And of course I didn't figure this out until I popped it in the player and saw no options for extras other than commentaries.

Not sure if I want to shell out for everything PT related, as I frankly don't care about those movies much at all, but we'll see. I would like the deleted stuff for sure, despite the fact that I've seen a lot of it over the years online.

So yeah. Here's hoping Target takes back opened discs.

Some of the deleted scenes from the set are already on Youtube.
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Jesse James on September 17, 2011, 12:11 AM
I'm going to browse most of it on Youtube tomorrow actually.  I'll get the set another time.  That was what I really wanted to see anyway...  Can't recall last time I sat and actually put a disc in to watch them anyway.
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: User897 on September 17, 2011, 12:37 AM
For "Abomination Release Day", I popped in the AVCHD's of Harmy's Despecialized Edition.  Free of charge, no money to Lucas, and more care went into them than the Blu-rays.  I'll just get the bonuses off the Internet.
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Morgbug on September 17, 2011, 01:08 AM
Wait...it was the 16th yesterday?  Whoops. 
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: User897 on September 17, 2011, 01:36 AM
You didn't miss anything.  :)
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Diddly on September 17, 2011, 02:45 AM
It was Mexican Independence Day, racist  :P
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Jabba the Slug on September 17, 2011, 04:27 AM
It was Mexican Independence Day, racist  :P

It was actually Salvadorian Independence Day. :-*
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Paul on September 17, 2011, 07:59 AM
For "Abomination Release Day", I popped in the AVCHD's of Harmy's Despecialized Edition.  Free of charge, no money to Lucas, and more care went into them than the Blu-rays.  I'll just get the bonuses off the Internet.

I guess I don't have to ask if the the otheR Site's forums are still down......

Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: iFett on September 17, 2011, 10:37 AM
If it hadn't been for the fact that Target put the only two copies of the Complete Saga they had in those oversized boxes instead of the Iron Man chest reactor thing with wires, I wouldn't have gotten it there either.  When the last two Harry Potter Ultimate Edition BRs came out, I made the Target electronics woman go into the back storeroom to get me two non-reactorfied boxes, as the ones on the shelf had huge divots dug into them on each of the four edges.  I also don't buy any BRs with those cardboard outer sleeves at Target, as the security boxes are too small for them and Target just crams them in and/or pulls them out indiscriminately, ripping the sleeve in the process.  If I'm going to pay for something, I'd prefer it not to be damaged before it even gets in my hands.

Ya I'm pretty anal when it comes to packaging and the 1st set I did buy had the "iron man chest reactor" thing going on and it bugged the **** out of me all day so I stopped by another Target on the way home like Jeff mentioned they had a big display cap deal at the front by the registers so I now have a minty fresh set.
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Nicklab on September 17, 2011, 11:08 AM
I haven't bought the complete saga yet.  Simply because I don't have a flatscreen or a Blu Ray player at this time.  So there's really no hurry.  Thanks to The You Tube I've been able to check out most, if not all, of the deleted scenes.  There's some pretty good stuff, too.  I haven't gotten a chance to see "The Lost Rebels" scenes yet, but no doubt that's going to pop up soon enough.  I also want to see the Droid Control Ship sequence from AOTC to see if there's anything that's changed from the AOTC DVD, but I haven't seen that yet either.
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Dan on September 17, 2011, 11:23 AM
I went through the OT deleted scenes and interviews last night- I enjoyed it for what it was. We didn't have a BR player yet, so I took advantage of the Best Buy deal- buy any BR player $100 and up, and get $20 off the set. That made it 59.99, and I split it with my brother in law, so for $30 we get to share the set. I started up TPM at first, and was blown away by the clarity and sound. I am actually looking forward to watching all 6 movies this way, even though I will cringe every now and then. Someday he or his kids will put out the unedited versions in whatever format is the best at the time, and I will get those then as well.
I do understand people who don't want to see the new versions though. I refused to see "Walk the line" because absolutely nobody should be Johnny Cash in my head except for Johnny Cash. While I think the OT could have used some technological tweaking (some SE scenes, particularly Yavin space sequence pop to mind), it didn't need to be altered as much as it was. A few clean ups, a few more ships, that would have been just fine for me.
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: P-Siddy on September 17, 2011, 11:34 AM
Are these scenes still up? Seems like most posts are a year old. (Edit: I seem to have found them)
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: User897 on September 17, 2011, 12:45 PM
I guess I don't have to ask if the the other site's forums are still down......
Huh?  What does that have to do with anything?
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: DoctorPadawan on September 17, 2011, 03:15 PM
Okay, so I just finished watching Star Wars (or "A New Hope" as you young'uns like to call it), and wanted to give some quick thoughts and clarifications:

-The music has been restored to its original glory!  No more mixed channels, no more "deliberate creative decisions", and the fanfare as the X-Wings descend on the Death Star is BACK!  Great news for film music fans, John Williams fans, and fans of Ben Burtt having the reins pulled in on his ego a bit.

-SW is always going to look a little out of place among the other five films (given the technical limitations of the time and film stock used), but this is probably the best it has ever looked.  Aside from a few minor issues (Luke still has a white lightsaber at two points on the MF, although he thankfully no longer has a green one in that same scene), the whole film looks like it's been color corrected from top to bottom, and it just looks amazing. 

-The only obvious visual/auditory changes I noticed (aside from the aforementioned music correction/reinstatement) were R2's hidey-rocks (which seem to come and go depending on the angle) and Obi-Wan's Long-Duk-Dong-esque "Hello sexy Tusken!" wail, which is even more ridiculous than it sounded online.  Same noise, just hearing it in 6.1 DTS surround makes it even more fabulous!

-Sadly, the changes I would have liked to have seen (new holograms of the Death Star plans, R2 having blue panels in the space scenes at all times, the headstones at the Lars Homestead) weren't there.  Something for the eventual "Ultimate We Swear We're Done Milking This" box set of holograms and live performances somewhere down the line, I guess.

I still plan on watching ESB and ROTJ later tonight, so I'll check back in with further thoughts later.

Oh, and before I forget again, the subtitles (for example, when Greedo or Sebulba are speaking Huttese, or when Poggle is speaking Geonosian in their respective films) are the original font and are part of the print itself, not player generated.  Meaning, for the first time on DVD/BR, we're seeing the subtitles as they were originally included theatrically.  I find that very cool, personally.

Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Pete_Fett on September 17, 2011, 08:50 PM
Ok, I'm sorry if this has been touched on / covered before in this thread, but why doesn't the complete Saga feature ALL of the deleted scenes that were originally on the DVD releases of the movies?

There are A LOT of scenes from the PT DVDs that aren't on bonus disc 1. How come?
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: User897 on September 17, 2011, 10:25 PM
They were trying to put as much crap content in the set that has NOT been previously available as possible.  Or so they say.
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: DoctorPadawan on September 18, 2011, 12:01 AM
Okay, so the two day film marathon is now officially over, after having watched Empire and Jedi back to back earlier this evening.  As promised, here are my thoughts on the final two films as they are presented on BR:

-Empire looks and sounds AMAZING.  The sound during the Battle of Hoth is so full and immersive that it's almost like a totally new film.  And, mercifully, Empire is the one film of the six included in the set that has the absolute least done to it.  As in, "If I didn't know ahead of time that they'd fixed the Wampa puppeteer arm thing, I'd think they didn't do anything at all."  There is nothing noticeable in terms of alterations in Empire (that hasn't been in previous alterations; the new Wampa, Palpatine hologram, and silly "Alert my Star Destroyer" shuttle montage are still included).

-On the other hand, Jedi comes across as the film that LFL totally half-assed in this set.  The picture quality (and this may just be my perspective) is lower than any of the other five films in the set, and vacillates between pristine to cloudy.  It's almost like LFL made it through the restoration and upgrades on SW and ESB only to say, "That ****'ll do" on Jedi.  Disappointing.

-And, again, as the opposite of Empire's BR presentation, Jedi has the most alterations but, again, several of them seem really half-assed.  Everyone knows what most of them are already, but here's a rundown for those who missed them:

1.  Jabba's got a big(ger) ass door now.  The problem is that while it's big on the outside, it's the exact same size as before when the shot is looking out (as it does when Threepio and Artoo enter, and when Luke enters). 

2.  A randomly wandering Dug apparently had to go to the bathroom while everyone else was asleep just before Luke walks down the stairs into the throne room.  I actually would have been okay with this had the Dug actually stuck around in the background, but it's literally him walking across the screen and then you never see him again. 

3.  The famous Ewok blinks.  The photos we've seen are all of Wicket, and for good reason, since (outside of a single shot of a Wokling blinking) he's the only Ewok that blinks.  Yes, tons of close-ups of Teebo, Paploo, even Wompus, and none of them blink at all.  But Wicket does.  Now, when Wicket (and Wokling) blink, it's done so well that you'd think it had been there since 1983; the problem is that (from my viewpoint) if you're going to make an Ewok blink, make ALL the Ewoks blink. 

4.  Darth Vader says "Nooo.  NOOOOOOOOOO!" prior to throwing Palpy down the reactor shaft, true, but in what is either a giant step forward in picture quality or another alteration that hasn't gotten much publicity due to the "DO NOT WANT" utterance, Vader's skull is MUCH more visible and defined during his electrocution than I recall it in earlier versions. 

5.  Little things that I had hoped would be fixed (Fett's flopped rangefinder, Lando's flopped holster) remain as they have always been: obvious and annoying.

6.  In the pinnacle of half-assedness, the much ballyhooed improvements to the lightsaber color corrections are totally random on Jedi, with Vader still having a pink saber with no white core in many shots.  It's like LFL saw people complain about the "crossed sabers" shot and corrected that, plus another few here and there, and said, "**** it, don't we have an episode of Clone Wars about poisoned school soda to work on?"

So yeah, out of all 6 films, here's my rating:

The Phantom Menace:  Video-4.5 (of 5); Audio-5 (of 5)
Attack of the Clones:  Video-5 (of 5); Audio-5 (of 5)
Revenge of the Sith:  Video-6 (of 5; best of the bunch); Audio-5 (of 5)
Star Wars:  Video-4.5 (of 5; mainly due to source material); Audio-5 (of 5)
The Empire Strikes Back:  Video-5 (of 5); Audio-6 (of 5; best of the bunch)
Return of the Jedi:  Video-4 (of 5); Audio-4.5 (of 5)

Will be cracking into the prequel bonus features tomorrow, although I did watch the Grievous/Obi-Wan chase animatic that Spielberg assembled/directed.  Really wish that was how it played in the film, as it was, to be quite blunt, pretty ******* awesome.
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: User897 on September 18, 2011, 06:18 AM
Thanks for the post, DoctorPadawan.  I'm sorry that you had to buy the set to form your opinion, though.
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: McMetal on September 18, 2011, 07:49 AM
Has anyone else had trouble getting the Boba Fett animated holiday special to play? I tried repeatedly last night after reading the instructions on GH, but to no avail. It just defaults back to the 360 degree view of the $#%^& armor every time.

Also, I think it is incredibly lame that in a nine-disc set they could not find room to include EVERY deleted scene from every movie. I will never ever watch any of those documentaries or interviews, so that is just wasted space to me.
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Pete_Fett on September 18, 2011, 07:21 PM
Also, I think it is incredibly lame that in a nine-disc set they could not find room to include EVERY deleted scene from every movie. I will never ever watch any of those documentaries or interviews, so that is just wasted space to me.

Agreed - I was shocked when I noticed things like the Waterfall scene from EP1 and all of the Naboo stuff w/Padme's family from EP2 were not on the disc. In fact, the quality of a lot of that stuff is still there, they could TOTALLY reintegrate those scenes into those movies if they were so inclined.

Same thing goes with the Jedi Temple Archive Droids, that scene should be re-integrated back into the movie as well.

I still have no idea why he feels the need to add dialogue to scenes that were already perfect and not re-integrate deleted scenes back into the movie.

Peter Jackson did that with the Ultimate LotR trilogy and I prefer watching those versions over the theatrical releases.
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: P-Siddy on September 18, 2011, 08:06 PM
Peter Jackson did that with the Ultimate LotR trilogy and I prefer watching those versions over the theatrical releases.

Is that what some people are upset about the LotR BluRays? That Jackson released the extended editions? After seeing the extended releases, I liked those better... but I have to be in a certain movie to sit and watch LotR since they are so long (even the edited down ones). Still, there are some scenes that were in the theatrical version that work better with the inclusion of the deleted scenes.

To make this OT, I've probably seen about half of the deleted scenes from SW now on Youtube and gotta say that it's good they were left out. The 'Lost Rebels' one is hilarious with some of the poor acting by the pilots. Veers' demise is pretty cool. It's interesting that they use that AT-AT's destruction as the one that Luke uses the detonator on.
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Scockery on September 18, 2011, 10:56 PM
I like the bunker raid where Han shouts "Chewie!" every minute. And stormtroopers die in droves.

The second A-Wing pilot is hilarious. I won't say anymore. It's too good to spoil.

The animatic bits aren't really deleted scenes, but  more like rejected production designs. It is interesting that the Corporate Alliance Tank Droids were supposed to be manned...by 4 battle droids.
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Diddly on September 19, 2011, 02:35 AM
Finished up the PT movies tonight along with the deleted scenes and other various extras. I really wish some of this stuff hadn't been cut. For example, the Grievous/Obi-Wan animatic. That was awesome, and there was one part where you see the two running through a gigantic field full of Clones and Droids fighting. It just felt like an epic battle from the OT era, something I think we all agree was missing from the prequels. Same with the Ki-Adi/Plo Koon assault on the droid control ship from AOTC. The extended arena battle showed a lot of random Jedi fighting droids and reminded me of the OT, where you'd just see a quick shot of a random rebel soldier fighting. Cool stuff.

Can't wait to dig into the OT material over the next few days.
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Pete_Fett on September 19, 2011, 08:49 AM
To make this OT, I've probably seen about half of the deleted scenes from SW now on Youtube and gotta say that it's good they were left out. The 'Lost Rebels' one is hilarious with some of the poor acting by the pilots. Veers' demise is pretty cool. It's interesting that they use that AT-AT's destruction as the one that Luke uses the detonator on.

I guess, I'm talking more about the PT than the OT when I think about re-incorporating deleted scenes.

The waterfall scene with the sub in EP1 was pretty much done on the EP1 DVD, why not finish it and reincorporate it? Why not reincorporate the "Return of Anakin" scene?

For EP2, he really should have tried to put the stuff with Padme's family back into the movie, along with the cut scenes where Beru and Padme become aquainted. It makes the stories seem more "real". Anakin seeking some level of "approval" from Padme's father, Padme, her mother and her sister talking about Padme's feelings for Anakin, etc... These are things that really do happen when a potential couple is in that "should we / shouldn't we" period. And of course, anything that shows Padme and Beru bonding, only helps with the decision to send Padme's son to the step-brother of Anakin who he never grew up with. Seriously, poor Owen and Beru, they end up getting saddled with a pain-in-the-ass whiney kid and then turned into french fries, all because Shmi was a great step-mom to Owen. What a bum deal. And of course, re-incorporating at least one or two scene with Padme's family brings a stronger connection to the solemn procession at the end of ROTS - I mean we all knew that was her mother, father, sister and nieces, but does anyone other than a SW fan?

And of course for EP3, they showed us in these deleted scenes finally what Qui Gon was scripted to say to Yoda before being interuppted by Bail Organa. You had Liam Neeson in a recording booth over a year or two ago, why not also throw him a couple more grand and get him to record this line and then reincorporate it into the damn movie?

I guess I was just hoping that this small compact, horribly decorated, "Complete Saga" BluRay nine disc set was going to allow me to essentially give away or trash all of my Star Wars video tapes and DVDs and truly be "Complete" like the name implies.

There is no reason why the originally released deleted scenes from the DVDs couldn't have been on the discs with the movies.

Also, why break up the content like they did? It's counter intuitive. If I want to watch all of the deleted scenes all in a row, I should be able to, not have to navigate to each of the geographic regions for the corresponding content.

I can't help but think that for each of the 3D re-releases they are intending on giving us 4-disc BluRay sets for each movie, complete with both the 2D and 3D versions of the film, and EVERYTHING from both the original DVD release and this BluRay release, making this $80 purchase completely pointless.
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Brian on September 19, 2011, 12:10 PM
I haven't been able to get through too much of the set yet (none of the movies really), but did watch all of the OT deleted scenes/interviews over the weekend.  I have to say, the extra stuff I've seen so far is really pretty cool (the prop stuff is kind of spiffy as well).  It is nice to see these deleted scenes from the OT, particularly the ones that haven't ever been seen at all before.  Honestly, as cool as it was to see them, for the majority of them - not all - I can see why they were cut.  Some stuff (Wampa stuff) could probably have been cooler if they had the technology/capabilities, and some of the other stuff just seemed a little flat compared to what ended up in the movie.

I hope to get into the PT stuff, and then the movies as well.  Of what I have seen so far though, it seems like this set really is pretty packed - but at the same time, I'm a little disappointed it isn't "all" in there.  Sure, we have the other stuff on the DVDs, but it would be nice to have everything included in one set.  I really enjoy the docs like "Empire of Dreams", "The Beginning", etc. but I don't think either is included here (or the movie trailers, right?).  Maybe I'm just missing some of it, because I've only looked at a couple of the discs, but it seems like they could have just packed it full of everything that's been out there.  Heck, you could even include some of the stuff that's been on TV like Lucas' Biography deal (or even the other stars), that History Channel doc relating Star Wars to myths and everything.  Anyways, like I said, just a ton of great stuff included, but I sort of wish they would have just had it all.

I haven't watched the PT movies yet, but those are ones where I don't think I would have minded if they added things in here and there.  Not as "sacred" as the OT maybe, or perhaps because of when they were made (and mostly green screen) they could have added stuff fairly easily.  Adding some aliens in the Coruscant night club or something like that.  Somehow incorporating some of the CW characters and/or species in the backgrounds, I don't know that I'd care in the PT so much.  Not to mention the deleted stuff that actually exists.
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Blaster under the pillow on September 20, 2011, 11:22 AM
It's hard to tell just how much these films have been altered without a side by side comparison, but overall it looked to me like a lot of the lighting and colour had been changed. Some of the explosions and blast effects look all new to me. The sound effects sound amazing to me, but it seems like the music has dropped down in the mix again, although that could be my crappy TV.

I don't know how new this is but I saw a Dug walk through Jabba's palace. I thought that Yoda was a big improvement in the phantom menace, and I see they replaced some of the shots of him in AOTC.

I'm normally a purist, but I actually quite liked that new Krayt dragon call.

One of the downsides for me was the sloppy job on restoring the lightsabres, In some places it's good, but why fix some bits and not others? In places it just looks lousy. I think that scene where luke is fighting the vader apparition on Dagobah looks like a total balls up.
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: P-Siddy on September 20, 2011, 01:33 PM
I don't know how new this is but I saw a Dug walk through Jabba's palace.

That is totally new for the BR set.
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Brian on September 21, 2011, 02:18 PM
Watched some of the documentaries disc yesterday, some nice stuff there.  A little disappointed that we didn't get things like "Empire of Dreams", "The Beginning", and "From Star Wars to Jedi".  Three of my favorites that I have on either DVD or VHS, but it would be nice to have one set that contains pretty much everything.
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Matt on September 21, 2011, 03:09 PM
I, for one, think that the 90 minutes of spoofs more than make up for the lack of those boring old documentaries.
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Nicklab on September 21, 2011, 07:18 PM
I watched through "The lost Rebels" cut scene on Youtube.  Hooboy.  Some of those Rebel pilots were just ABYSMALLY BAD.  The old lady had no sense of urgency about her at all.  The Sullustan and the Mon Calamari were the best of the bunch, and they were PUPPETS!

The Madine scene was cool, but I understand why it got cut.  It was too much like some of Ackbar's scenes on Home One.  Although I was disappointed that we didn't get to see him go batsh!t crazy like in the one still.
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Scockery on September 21, 2011, 07:56 PM
Whats scares me is that somebody somewhere is making up some EU backstory for that old lady.
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: User897 on September 21, 2011, 08:18 PM
And don't forget the HasBLO Deleted Scenes Rebel Pilots Boxset, individual figures, and pack-ins with vehicles for $79.99 each.  :)
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Diddly on September 22, 2011, 02:47 AM
There is no reason why the originally released deleted scenes from the DVDs couldn't have been on the discs with the movies.

Also, why break up the content like they did? It's counter intuitive. If I want to watch all of the deleted scenes all in a row, I should be able to, not have to navigate to each of the geographic regions for the corresponding content.

Go to Play All in the main screen and you'll be able to select which of the things you want to watch, deleted scenes included :)
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Scockery on September 23, 2011, 11:00 AM
I watched through "The lost Rebels" cut scene on Youtube.  Hooboy.  Some of those Rebel pilots were just ABYSMALLY BAD.  The old lady had no sense of urgency about her at all.  The Sullustan and the Mon Calamari were the best of the bunch, and they were PUPPETS!

The dialouge between the two was great...
http://youtu.be/rajCyWb9BFA (http://youtu.be/rajCyWb9BFA)
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Scott on September 23, 2011, 12:42 PM
Watched TPM last night...I agree on the color correction...awesome, it really stood out right away with Neimoidians and Amidala.  The CGI characters really popped on the screen...things like Jar Jar's skin, Watto and Sebulba's clothes. 

I don't hate TPM, but man there are some slow parts and Jake Lloyd sucks major ass
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Jesse James on September 24, 2011, 02:02 AM
Well said.  I especially liked the whole, "Lloyd sucked ass" part.
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Crackbrick on September 24, 2011, 02:23 AM
So...I think I should have read more about what was on this set instead of assuming everything from the previous releases was here.  I went to the deleted scenes for the prequels and found that allot of the stuff on the regular DVds is not here at all.  What a fuc@ing joke.

cb
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: iFett on September 24, 2011, 09:08 AM
Ya that's a big dissapointment to me as I was finally looking forward to at least an "almost" complete set.  I don't need multiple copies of these movies but looks like I'm going to have to until Lucas decides he has enough cash.
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: bellboy on September 24, 2011, 08:06 PM
Let me start off with: I wear glasses. With that said, I've watched episodes 2 - 5 and I don't see a difference from the DVD sets. I have a 46" 1080p samsung. Played on a original release ps3 with the upgrades and BR upconvert. The sound quality is much louder and richer on the dvd's than the BR's in my opinion. Original trilogy discs are the ones released as a two set with the original- original movies without the updates(add ons). If anyone else is experiencing the thing, let me know. Do I need to view this on a 55" to really see the difference? Thanks for letting me share.
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Brian on September 24, 2011, 09:07 PM
I've started to watch the movies a bit now (starting with the OT), and I think they look pretty great so far.  The original Star Wars (or A New Hope) looks great I think, and the colors really pop on Tatooine.  I thought Empire looked amazing as well, and definitely a step up from the DVDs.  I'm amazed at some little background details that I never noticed before, whether they were characters or just textures of background walls/etc.  Silly stuff in many cases, but cool to see.  I haven't gotten through Jedi yet, and will hopefully tackle the prequels next week.  From what I understand ROTS looks the best of the six, which makes sense.  I don't have a giant TV by any means (just a 42"), but I thought the movies (at least the two I've watched) have looked quite a bit better than the DVDs (that weren't bad either).
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: iFett on September 28, 2011, 05:57 PM
Have you guys heard about this?

http://www.screened.com/news/behind-the-scenes-of-harmys-star-wars-despecialized-edition/2917/
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Master_Phruby on September 30, 2011, 11:37 PM
I don't know. I think he is going a little too far. I actually like cleaning up bad effects like the ground under Luke's speeder. Sure we don't need Rontos or other necessary aliens but color correction and fixing bad effects is a good thing.
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: JediJman on October 1, 2011, 08:40 AM
Have you guys heard about this?

http://www.screened.com/news/behind-the-scenes-of-harmys-star-wars-despecialized-edition/2917/

Interesting read.  I like that he decided to take on this project for an "old girlfriend."  I'm going to go out on a limb and assume he doesn't have a new one.   ;)

In all seriousness though, I'm with Phruby.  Some of the changes that were made by Lucas were silly (Greedo shoots first), but some of the background stuff like windows or ships actually looks better in my opinion.  Frankly, I thought every SE picture in that article looked better than the original or the despecialized version.  I even liked Lucas adding the whole room of Stormtroopers in the Death Star.  Seems a lot more like that he'd be runing scared from hundreds of troopers versus 4-5 unprepared ones.
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Dan on October 1, 2011, 10:18 AM
I like the cleaning up of effects as well, and can live with some additions (ships, windows, stormtroopers). But I do think the originals need to be preserved for posterity. And as long as that is the case, I would like a copy  ;)

After watching more of the interviews and extras on the blu rays, I'm glad I picked them up. Watching the extra scenes embedded in the interviews rather than isolated, I see George's points about why he deleted some (Tosche, Han's chick) in the theatrical release. And watching the sandstorm scenes again, it seems more than a few of us would have been complaining for years about Luke just tossing the X wing ladder aside and taking off-
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Blaster under the pillow on October 4, 2011, 06:25 AM
I was watching the collections on the OT disc at the weekend... I love the matte paintings and models, very awesome, I can't get enough of that stuff...  also I never knew that Boushh's helmet had a 1138 on there.... I guess my geekdom has room for expansion after all...
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Jesse James on October 4, 2011, 02:46 PM
I think we all just grew a little.  *nods silently*
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Jayson on October 7, 2011, 01:50 PM
I was watching the collections on the OT disc at the weekend... I love the matte paintings and models, very awesome, I can't get enough of that stuff...  also I never knew that Boushh's helmet had a 1138 on there.... I guess my geekdom has room for expansion after all...

Sideshow even got that detail on their 12" figure a few years back.
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Scott on October 25, 2011, 08:42 PM
I've watched all of the prequel stuff and meh...the quality of the movies is great visually and audio wise but the extras suck ass.  I mean, put ALL of the deleted scenes on here from the old DVDs.  The ones on there suck.  At as someone else said to not include the featurettes from the old DVDs is also a disservice to the PT.  I know the OT extra stuff is a lot more extensive...we'll see how I feel after I watch that stuff.
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Blaster under the pillow on October 26, 2011, 11:13 AM
I liked the prequel extra about the boga with the guy who designed him saying he pretends that the Boga survives even though George said he dies... the main problem with the prequel extras for me is, animatics just aren't as fun to watch as Mark Hamill trying to swing a lightsabre with yoda on his back...
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Scott on November 3, 2011, 08:23 AM
Man that Cut Scene Wampa is laughably bad...I always loved the Wampa toy as a youngling and I can sort of see how the toy and the Wampa in the cut scenes are related.  The SE Wampa is way better :P
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Jesse James on November 3, 2011, 02:23 PM
Hehe, yeah he's so bad he's almost cute.  I like his goofy eyes.
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Jesse James on March 12, 2012, 01:53 AM
So it took me a while, but I bought the Star Wars Saga on Blu Ray today...  The sale at Target was my inspiration, and I took the ad to Best Buy for a price match, as I had $20 in rewards points I needed to use this year anyway, and figured why not now? 

So for $65, I walked away with the Blu Ray editions of the movies.

They're definitely worth owning, to me, for that price...  $99.99 though, no.  Having them now (and hooking up the Blu Ray player I got for Xmas just tonight as well), I really appreciate them for what they are...  They're really gorgeous, vivid flicks, fun to watch, and so I'm really happy I have them, but the $100 pricetag was iffy to me.

$65 is a lot easier to take, and I'm happy to have them and hope maybe next weekend to watch them a little more.  I watched some of the extras tonight.  The Luke Tosche Station scene, even though it was already out there, really is a TON better watched on a big assed TV...  I got a 60" 1080p thanks to Sprry's suggestion a couple years back, and I was really floored how even the rough looking deleted stuff popped out, and the hyper detail you see on some of the characters and sets.

If making a Tosche Station diorama was on your mind, you really need these BR's and a big assed TV to help you on your way.

I didn't watch everything, but what I did check out is great, and I cannot wait to see the rest of the bonus stuff and just chill out watching the films over time.  I had a lot of fun with this tonight. :)
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Qui-Gon Jim on March 13, 2012, 08:54 AM
I like the quality of these releases, and I wish they could have brought over all the stuff from the existing DVD (pet peeve of mine when they don't do that).  The thing that annoys me most on these is the super-clunky menus.  It is all so slow and cumbersome, just to try and be flashy.  I find them annoying.
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Jesse James on March 13, 2012, 02:31 PM
They do seem slow to me, but I'm ok with that stuff and like flashy I guess.  Maybe they're trying to entertain the guy like me that doesn't know any better?  :D
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: iFett on March 13, 2012, 02:46 PM
I opened my set when I first got it back in...what September?  Still have yet to view any of the discs though.   :-\   $80 ain't too bad at Target.  I think I paid $90 and got the lithographs with the set.
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Matt on February 28, 2013, 11:54 PM
SW.com: Star Wars Blu-ray Trilogies to Be Released in Limited Edition Steelbook Packaging (http://starwars.com/news/star-wars-blu-ray-trilogies-to-be-released-in-limited-edition-steelbook-packaging.html)

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Since their release in 2011, the Star Wars trilogy collections have become two of the bestselling Blu-ray Disc catalog releases of all time. Lucasfilm and Twentieth Century Fox Home Entertainment announced today that these beloved Star Wars sets, presenting the classic films in stunning HD, will be re-released in limited edition steelbook packaging at select retailers in the UK, Australia, Japan, and Spain. There is no US release currently planned.

Release dates for the steelbook sets will be announced shortly.

(http://i.imgur.com/tGks7UUl.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/6P16TeKl.jpg)

Still not buying. . .
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Jayson on January 2, 2014, 11:39 PM
On sale for $60 at Amazon (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B003ZSJ212) and free shipping
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: JediJman on January 3, 2014, 01:54 PM
On sale for $60 at Amazon (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B003ZSJ212) and free shipping

That's a sweet deal.  This is the most up-to-date version with all the bonus material, right?
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Jayson on January 3, 2014, 10:58 PM
On sale for $60 at Amazon (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B003ZSJ212) and free shipping

That's a sweet deal.  This is the most up-to-date version with all the bonus material, right?

Correct.
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: JediJman on January 4, 2014, 12:26 AM
I picked up a set.  Thanks for the tip Jay!
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: 77Skywalker on December 8, 2014, 05:33 PM
I have watched the whole entire Saga of Star Wars on blu-ray so many times.  I think there are actually just a lot of positives on the blu-rays with the changes, especially the audio fixes in A New Hope and the lightsaber fixtures.
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Matt on August 5, 2015, 11:53 AM
Welp, looks like no OOT this Fall.

The Star Wars Saga to Be Enshrined in Limited Edition Blu-Ray Steelbooks (http://www.starwars.com/news/the-star-wars-saga-to-be-enshrined-in-limited-edition-blu-ray-steelbooks?linkId=16077042)

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the first six will be released as commemorative Blu-ray steelbooks for a limited time on November 10, with pre-orders beginning on August 7. Each film comes with beautiful new character packaging that include Darth Maul for The Phantom Menace, Yoda for Attack of the Clones, General Grievous for Revenge of the Sith, Darth Vader for A New Hope, an Imperial stormtrooper for The Empire Strikes Back, and Emperor Palpatine for Return of the Jedi. Star Wars: The Complete Saga will also be released in newly-repackaged artwork on October 13.

In addition to the collectible steelbook packaging, each Blu-ray disc features existing audio commentary with George Lucas and the film crew as well as audio commentary from archival interviews with the cast and crew.

The Complete Saga includes all six feature films on Blu-ray, along with three additional discs containing more than 40 hours of previously-released extensive special features.

(http://i.imgur.com/99mMzcnl.png?1)

(http://i.imgur.com/qFonjByl.png?1)
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: P-Siddy on August 5, 2015, 12:21 PM
I find it odd that it's called "The Complete Saga.  Aren't they releasing 3 more movies into the Saga (plus stand alones that add to the Saga).  Unless they have Episodes 7, 8 and 9 in it, this isn't anywhere near complete... unless they mean the Complete Lucas Saga.
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: JediJman on August 5, 2015, 01:05 PM
Why are there 5 bad guy covers and one good guy?  They should have put Dooku in for E2 or mixed it up better.  Now I'm not going to buy it. 
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Qui-Gon Jim on August 5, 2015, 01:36 PM
If these include digital copies, I'm interested.
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: Diddly on August 6, 2015, 12:39 PM
So it's just the same Blu-Ray set from 2011 in new packaging and $30 more expensive?  ???
Title: Re: Star Wars on Blu-Ray
Post by: 77Skywalker on January 7, 2016, 07:04 PM
So far I do think now the blu-ray versions are only the best current versions of all the Star Wars movies.