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Title: Target Exclusive Clone Wars Battle Packs
Post by: Rune Haako on June 28, 2008, 04:53 PM
(http://jediinsider.net/g/albums/Hasbro/Clone_Wars/Battle_Packs/Obi_Wan.jpg)

(http://jediinsider.net/g/albums/Hasbro/Clone_Wars/Battle_Packs/Yoda.jpg)
Title: Re: Clone Wars Battle Packs
Post by: Jayson on June 28, 2008, 06:03 PM
I guess that answers where this clone fits in...

(http://www.jedidefender.com/news/images/1-08/08CW_RedSpecialTrooper_Full.jpg)
Title: Re: Clone Wars Battle Packs
Post by: evenflow on June 28, 2008, 06:08 PM
Looks like the Yoda in the battle pack doesnt have the silly action feature. Better buy in my book.  ;D
Title: Re: Clone Wars Battle Packs
Post by: Darth_Anton on June 29, 2008, 10:09 AM
Now those are battle packs, four clones and a Jedi.
Title: Re: Clone Wars Battle Packs
Post by: David on June 29, 2008, 10:50 AM
If the Yoda doesn't have the dumb action feature, I'd happily trade for/buy him from someone once this set comes out. LMK... ;)
Title: Re: Clone Wars Battle Packs
Post by: JangoTat on June 29, 2008, 10:58 AM
Nice, I am definitely going to skip the single releases of Yoda and Obi now just to get these battles packs instead.  :D
Title: Re: Clone Wars Battle Packs
Post by: Pete_Fett on June 29, 2008, 02:38 PM
Now those are battle packs, four clones and a Jedi.

Now if they would just release the Separatist side of the equation, that would be awesome.

County Dooku w/four SBDs
Ventress w/four Battle Droids or IG assassin droids


Title: Re: Clone Wars Battle Packs
Post by: JediJman on June 29, 2008, 02:46 PM
Wow. That Obi-Wan pack looks slick.  Nice to see the smaller box size in these too!
Title: Re: Clone Wars Battle Packs
Post by: DoctorPadawan on June 29, 2008, 07:34 PM
IMO, this is how the Battle Packs should be done.  I think that this could be, hands down, the best Battle Pack assortment if Hasbro continues down this road/theme.  There's a lot of possibilities just going with clones and Jedi generals, not to mention Pete's suggestions of Separatists with their droids.  I'd be all over a Grievous/MagnaGuards set like this. 

Are these going to be mass retail items, or are they going to be yet another Target exclusive?

Title: Re: Clone Wars Battle Packs
Post by: Pete_Fett on June 29, 2008, 08:32 PM
I'd be all over a Grievous/MagnaGuards set like this. 

Another great idea for a battle pack.

As far as I'm concerned since I am not army building any of the individually carded animated figures, having sets like these to buy two of each (one to open, one to keep MIB) allows me to build mini-squads/armies by default and even if I was squad building with the animated figures, I wouldn't be buying more than four of each type, so having the battlepack include four of each clone type is damn near perfect IMHO.
Title: Re: Clone Wars Battle Packs
Post by: JediJman on June 29, 2008, 08:35 PM
Are these going to be mass retail items, or are they going to be yet another Target exclusive?

I'd almost be happier if it was just at Target.  Its pretty much the only place to get SW stuff around here anyway.   ::)
Title: Re: Clone Wars Battle Packs
Post by: smartsoccerbb on July 12, 2008, 02:45 AM
When are these in stores? Possibly 7/26?
Title: Re: Clone Wars Battle Packs
Post by: Darth_Anton on July 12, 2008, 09:39 AM
Pretty sure.
Title: Re: Clone Wars Battle Packs
Post by: smartsoccerbb on July 12, 2008, 01:06 PM
Then I can just buy these than the basic figure Yoda and Obi Wan.
Title: Re: Target Exclusive Clone Wars Battle Packs
Post by: Jeff on July 16, 2008, 03:08 PM
Looks like these are indeed confirmed as Target exclusives... and due to hit in late November (Black Friday?). 

I'm guessing that this DPCI that popped up belongs to them...

087-06-2064 - SW Clone Trooper Battlepack ($19.99)
Title: Re: Target Exclusive Clone Wars Battle Packs
Post by: ruiner on July 16, 2008, 05:33 PM
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087-06-2064 - SW Clone Trooper Battlepack ($19.99)

$7.99 for a basic figure or $19.99 for five of 'em.

Doesn't make much sense does it?

Title: Re: Target Exclusive Clone Wars Battle Packs
Post by: evenflow on July 19, 2008, 11:43 AM
Now that i have the basic release Yoda, i can see that it is the same figure as this yoda. The cane fits into the slot where the action feature goes.  :-\
Title: Re: Target Exclusive Clone Wars Battle Packs
Post by: smartsoccerbb on July 19, 2008, 05:58 PM
I wanted to get those two battlepacks instead of the basic figures. Oh well, I'll buy an Obi Wan and Yoda, than buy them again.
Title: Re: Target Exclusive Clone Wars Battle Packs
Post by: Greg on July 21, 2008, 12:18 PM
I wanted to get those two battlepacks instead of the basic figures. Oh well, I'll buy an Obi Wan and Yoda, than buy them again.

You can always just wait. Patience pays off. Plus, you can enjoy the Anakin figure that much more.  :P
Title: Re: Target Exclusive Clone Wars Battle Packs
Post by: smartsoccerbb on July 21, 2008, 12:42 PM
I know. I thought about that. And I can be very patient(waiting for allowance to buy more figs).
But I don't know if I can wait until November.
Title: Re: Target Exclusive Clone Wars Battle Packs
Post by: Greg on July 21, 2008, 01:06 PM
I do understand where you're coming from. I was getting toys with allowance only (aside from B-Day/Christmas) just several years ago. In this case, waiting is not too bad. I'm sure you can find some other toys to occupy yourself until November (Which will come soon enough). The Obi-Wan is kinda cool, but the Yoda looks to be terrible. Look at it this way: Buying those two figures now costs nearly the same as one battlepack later. Two for $16 plus tax versus five for $20 plus tax. Waiting seems smarter.
Title: Re: Target Exclusive Clone Wars Battle Packs
Post by: smartsoccerbb on July 21, 2008, 04:02 PM
Yeah. That way I can get more Legacy figures on the 26th. ;)



EDIT: AT Comic Con, it said these would be available 8/22
????
Title: Re: Target Exclusive Clone Wars Battle Packs
Post by: JangoTat on August 7, 2008, 11:33 AM
ok so are these figures coming out this month or in november? Because like smartsoccer up above mentioned comic con gave an august release date to these BP yet I remember reading somewhere else it comes out in november.
Title: Re: Target Exclusive Clone Wars Battle Packs
Post by: Jeff on August 7, 2008, 11:58 AM
The Comic-Con tags said 8/22, but the release guide said 11/23.

Since both of those sources have been wrong about a few of the dates, there is no way we can know for sure.  I'd say it's a case of "they'll show up when they show up".  :P

If the 8/22 date is correct, I'm sure folks will start finding them (via DPCI trick or lazy Target employee trick) very soon...
Title: Re: Target Exclusive Clone Wars Battle Packs
Post by: Jesse James on August 7, 2008, 02:03 PM
I'd say since overseas images of these exist, they're gonna hit sooner than later.  That'd be my guess.
Title: Re: Target Exclusive Clone Wars Battle Packs
Post by: Heart_of_Darkness on August 7, 2008, 08:15 PM
I hope I don't have to  go on a wild goose chase for these, hopefully Target will have plenty to go around ::)
Title: Re: Target Exclusive Clone Wars Battle Packs
Post by: Pete_Fett on August 11, 2008, 06:28 PM
I'm hoping that they will be easy to get as well. They are a great deal considering that you get four clones AND a Jedi for $20 when four clones by themselves will set you back $32 now that Target has returned to the $8/figure pricing.
Title: Re: Target Exclusive Clone Wars Battle Packs
Post by: JediJman on August 11, 2008, 08:46 PM
I'm hoping that they will be easy to get as well. They are a great deal considering that you get four clones AND a Jedi for $20 when four clones by themselves will set you back $32 now that Target has returned to the $8/figure pricing.

I hadn't thought of that - buying the five figures seperately would cost almost twice as much as the 5 figure BPs.  Who the heck at Hasbro is setting these prices?
Title: Re: Target Exclusive Clone Wars Battle Packs
Post by: Adam_Pawlus on August 11, 2008, 09:07 PM
I hadn't thought of that - buying the five figures seperately would cost almost twice as much as the 5 figure BPs.  Who the heck at Hasbro is setting these prices?

Oh-- this is fun.  Basically, the cost of packaging materials is so high that it costs a lot to package one figure, but you save a ton when you can get 2 or 3 or 7 figures in a single package.  For example:

1 Figure: $7
1 box of 7 figures in an Internet exclusive pack: $34-$40

1 carded GI Joe figure: $7 or $8
1 Comic 2-pack: $9.99

Basically, packaging costs a lot of money.  I think someone told me once that a G.I. Joe figure in the 1980s cost a couple of cents to make, but the packaging was about $0.50-- why this is, I have no idea, but the packaging is a huge part of the product cost. If fans simply demanded $10 and $20 figure multi-packs, we'd all be getting much better deals.  (Heck, look at Valor vs. Venom/Spy Troops/etc.  It's not just the licensing fee, the cost of cardboard and plastic always gets passed along to the consumer.)  Even Evolutions are a fine example-- it's cheaper for Hasbro and it's cheaper for us.  It's just that most fans prefer/demand the basic individual carded format.  (A lot of Joe collectors actively despised the whole 2-pack angle, and I know it cost them a lot of my dollars as I often just wanted one of the two in the set.)
Title: Re: Target Exclusive Clone Wars Battle Packs
Post by: JediJman on August 11, 2008, 09:15 PM
I would sign up for all of the above if not for all the discussion about why Hasbro did not include a 5th figure in the Sheild Generator Battle Pack.  If your rationale is correct, it should cost next to nothing for them to include the additional Imperial Officer proposed.  But Hasbro decided that they could charge $20 for four figures or would need to raise the price to $25 for the five figures including the 2nd duplicate officer. 

If the bulk of the cost is wrapped up in packaging, then why the need to charge $5 for an additional figure?  Something doesn't add up there.  I get that packaging per figure costs more, but I'd really be shocked to find that it costs twice the price of bundled figures.
Title: Re: Target Exclusive Clone Wars Battle Packs
Post by: Jayson on August 11, 2008, 10:45 PM
I would sign up for all of the above if not for all the discussion about why Hasbro did not include a 5th figure in the Sheild Generator Battle Pack.  If your rationale is correct, it should cost next to nothing for them to include the additional Imperial Officer proposed.  But Hasbro decided that they could charge $20 for four figures or would need to raise the price to $25 for the five figures including the 2nd duplicate officer. 

If the bulk of the cost is wrapped up in packaging, then why the need to charge $5 for an additional figure?  Something doesn't add up there.  I get that packaging per figure costs more, but I'd really be shocked to find that it costs twice the price of bundled figures.

I think with the inclusion of a second officer, it then switches back to figure production adding to the overall cost as they have to produce twice as many officers than the other figures to fill out the 5 figure format.

I much rather have the factory churning out let's say 100,000 of one figure and 100,000 of another versus tying up the line producing 200,000 of the same figure.
Title: Re: Target Exclusive Clone Wars Battle Packs
Post by: JediJman on August 11, 2008, 11:46 PM
I think with the inclusion of a second officer, it then switches back to figure production adding to the overall cost as they have to produce twice as many officers than the other figures to fill out the 5 figure format.

Okay, help me with this math:

$8 per fig - Basic Fig
$4 per fig - Clone Wars 5 Fig BP

We know profit margins on these items are high - Hasbro makes a profit on what they sell to retail and retail makes a profit off of us.  Lets be conservative at 60% markup for Retailers and 66%.  That means Hasbro's cost structure per figure is as follows:

Basic Figs:  $8 Retail     $5 Selling Price       $3 Hasbro Cost
BP Figs:      $5 Retail     $3.13 Selling Price   $1.87 Hasbro Cost

Its not like the BP packaging is free, so let's assume the figure itself costs $1.  That would mean basic figure packaging costs $2 and the BP packaging costs $.87 per figure for a total of $3.48.

This would follow Adam's logic that packaging adds quite a bit to the cost, but additional figures would only cost $1.  Certainly doesn't seem like rational to raise the retail price an additional $5 for adding one figure.  :-\

Of course, TRU raises their prices by $5 for no reason at all... ::)

Title: Re: Target Exclusive Clone Wars Battle Packs
Post by: JangoTat on August 19, 2008, 08:09 PM
someone over on sandtroopers found the 212th battalion BP already. Looks like the August 22 release date was the real one. But damn this just means I have one more thing to cross my fingers for this Friday :-X
Title: Re: Target Exclusive Clone Wars Battle Packs
Post by: Adam_Pawlus on August 19, 2008, 09:48 PM
Okay, help me with this math:

$8 per fig - Basic Fig
$4 per fig - Clone Wars 5 Fig BP

We know profit margins on these items are high - Hasbro makes a profit on what they sell to retail and retail makes a profit off of us.  Lets be conservative at 60% markup for Retailers and 66%.  That means Hasbro's cost structure per figure is as follows:

Basic Figs:  $8 Retail     $5 Selling Price       $3 Hasbro Cost
BP Figs:      $5 Retail     $3.13 Selling Price   $1.87 Hasbro Cost

Its not like the BP packaging is free, so let's assume the figure itself costs $1.  That would mean basic figure packaging costs $2 and the BP packaging costs $.87 per figure for a total of $3.48.

Your numbers are a smidge off, I'm not at liberty to disclose exact numbers but from what I've seen at places that are NOT my employer, I can tell you the wholesale prices of a Hasbro figure are actually higher than that.   And there's also issues of landed costs, which vary from chain to chain depending on what gets delivered where, distribution systems, etc.  It isn't free to ship a figure from the Toys "R" Us warehouse to a store, for example.

There are a bunch of other factors that can change the price as well-- and yes, a lot of the time, it's the whims of the store.  If they want it to be a loss leader, they can lower their price to increase foot traffic.  (It makes sense for Wal-Mart to charge less for SW if it causes kids and collectors to come in and also buy toilet paper.  And yes, they have analysis software to determine such things.) With Toys "R" Us, it's not like Target where they can take a hit on toys because they're going to make it up on light bulbs, sodas, diapers, and other goods you could just as soon have bought elsewhere.  Toys "R" Us (and stores that are a bit more specialized) really do benefit from the extra $1, or $5, you pay for on some items. 

"Cost of prodcut" is very hard to nail down-- in my experience it's not $X for the package and $Y for the figure, but it tends to be a quote on the entire "thing"-- the packaged figure.   If it sounds like I'm talking crazy, that means I'm explaining it more or less correctly.

This would follow Adam's logic that packaging adds quite a bit to the cost, but additional figures would only cost $1.  Certainly doesn't seem like rational to raise the retail price an additional $5 for adding one figure.  :-\

Of course, TRU raises their prices by $5 for no reason at all... ::)

Toys "R" Us has very good reasons-- as does Target.  They have a business to run, goals to meet, employees to pay, and a marketplace where kids grow up earlier every year.   Wal-Mart has screamingly efficient delivery systems (or so I am told), and I've heard very little about Toys "R" Us-- but from peeking in their systems, it doesn't exactly seem to be supremely advanced (again, from what little I gather, someone can probably provide better light on this than I can.)

KB has charged more for years, and Toys "R" Us-- who is also struggling-- will need to do so as well.  (Target's $7.99 Joes just seems to be a grab for the extra buck because the product is so hot they have no reason NOT to do it.)   It really isn't as simple as one figure adding $5 to the price, but lots of creeping factors causing the entire packaged product's cost to go up-- paint, transportation, prototyping, salaries, all that junk.  (It also wouldn't surprise me if the Target packs were nailed down before Hasbro decided they had to do the adjustments in pricing vs. product.)

Another fun example-- DC Infinite Heroes from Mattel.  1 individual figure is $4.99 at Target or $7.99 at Toys "R" Us. (There's a gap.)   The 3-pack boxed set?  $9.99 at Target.  Unless this is some sort of mistake, it really does prove that you can apparently save a bundle by selling figures IN a bundle.

As depressing as it is, we're probably not all that far off from a $9.99 basic figure.   It'd probably make a lot more sense (in a "let's keep costs down" way) for Hasbro to do more in the way of Battle Packs and Comic Packs, but that individually carded figure is such a popular format that we'll probably never see that happen.  Personally, I'd like to see more sensible (read: not with a figure I already bought) multi-packs just to keep packaging manufacturing down, to reduce transportation costs, and to get me more figures at once.  I think the Joe 2-packs of the 2000s were a step in the right direction, *except* for all the repacks and the lack of putting troops in 2-packs for those who were so inclined.  I bet a lot of money could be saved and made if the 3 3/4-inch industry focused solely on boxed sets.
Title: Re: Target Exclusive Clone Wars Battle Packs
Post by: Pete_Fett on October 12, 2008, 08:51 AM
What ever happened with these?

They never came into stock at my local Target stores. Are they online exclusives and I just missed them?
Title: Re: Target Exclusive Clone Wars Battle Packs
Post by: JediJman on October 12, 2008, 09:38 AM
What ever happened with these?

They never came into stock at my local Target stores. Are they online exclusives and I just missed them?

They're just not out at retail yet.   ;)
Title: Re: Target Exclusive Clone Wars Battle Packs
Post by: DoctorPadawan on October 13, 2008, 02:44 PM
Even though they haven't shown up at retail yet (to my knowledge), I went ahead and ordered both the Yoda/CG and Obi-Wan/212th sets online at Target.com last week.  With all the hassle that goes with any and all Target exclusives for me, I figured it was worth it to not have to deal with tracking them down in the coming weeks.  Target shipped them out on Friday, and they're supposed to arrive either tomorrow or Wednesday, so if anyone cares, I'll give a quickie review of them once I open them up later this week.
Title: Re: Target Exclusive Clone Wars Battle Packs
Post by: Brian on October 13, 2008, 02:45 PM
We were placing an order at Target.com anyways, so I went ahead and grabbed the Yoda set as well.  Should be here sometime this week.  Of course, these will probably by going for $5 on clearance at Target after Christmas :).
Title: Re: Target Exclusive Clone Wars Battle Packs
Post by: ruiner on October 13, 2008, 03:00 PM
Are these still $19.99?
Title: Re: Target Exclusive Clone Wars Battle Packs
Post by: Jeff on October 13, 2008, 03:41 PM
At Target.com - yes, they are still $19.99 each.

At retail Target stores - no.  When you check the DPCI (087-06-2064) in-store, the scanner lists them at the new $21.99 price.
Title: Re: Target Exclusive Clone Wars Battle Packs
Post by: DoctorPadawan on October 14, 2008, 07:23 PM
As promised, a quickie review or "things to look for (or not)" once these hit retail and/or others start getting theirs:

-It really does seem like a good value (a Jedi and their Clones), and I really hope that this continues with the other legions we'll undoubtedly see in the CW series in the coming months/years.  It's a pretty simple way for Hasbro to crank out the repaints, sell an exclusive set with minimal costs, and keep the kids happy with the main characters.  My only question is how many times they can resell us Yoda, since he's appeared with the red Senate Security Clones, these (theoretically), and will undoubtedly appear with Gree and the 41st in the cartoon series.

-One disappointment is a lack of accessories in the set.  Each Clone only comes with the weapon he is holding (three short blasters and one long blaster rifle), and although Yoda comes with his cane, lightsaber, and blue missle thing from the carded release (making the carded release pretty useless), Obi-Wan, despite being pictured with his jet pack, comes without any of these accessories, nor does he include the extra helmet.  Still, he'll make a good pilot for the upcoming JSF, but folks who were hoping for extra jet packs for customs will be waiting a while longer, I'm sad to say.

-The Clones are "clean" in that their deco is more akin to the WM 501st Trooper and not the initial carded release of the white Clones in wave 1.  That could be good or bad depending on how you see things, although I, for one, really liked the wear on the first carded Clones and wouldn't have complained had these had the same or similar wear on them.

-As usual, the warnings about Hasbro and their obsessive need for little rubber bands apply, but thankfully the guns are only tied into one hand each, so you can always switch out the guns into the non-damaged/non-warped hands.

Overall, these are well worth the 20 bucks from Target.com, and if/when they show up at retail here, I may have to get another set of the 212th Clones just for the heck of it (and several more if they go on clearance). 
Title: Re: Target Exclusive Clone Wars Battle Packs
Post by: Darth Broem on October 20, 2008, 12:05 PM
Yeah, I prefer picking up Kenobi this way.  I like the orange clones for some reason.  It will go along well with Cmdr Cody.  I would rather go this route than buy 4 seperate clones at $8 plus tax.  I just wish Kenobi had the helmet.  Oh well. 
Title: Re: Target Exclusive Clone Wars Battle Packs
Post by: JangoTat on October 28, 2008, 10:33 PM
This set has been showing up in Canada. Zellers is claiming it as their own exclusive without the little target sign of course, and this isnt the 1st target exclusive they have done this to ::)

Its retailing for $20 but since its not in the computer some people have been getting it cheaper. Im not entirely sure but I think my mom picked them up for $11 each..but as family tradition goes I will have to wait till christmas to get them  :) lol Either way Im happy thats soke  money saved that I can put towards buying NHL 09 :D
Title: Re: Target Exclusive Clone Wars Battle Packs
Post by: Pete_Fett on November 15, 2008, 12:10 PM
Ran the DPCI # at a local target on Thursday and they had them in stock, so I was finally able to score these.

The price was the new battle pack $21.99 price. Glad to have these finally out-of-the-way in terms of tracking down.
Title: Re: Target Exclusive Clone Wars Battle Packs
Post by: Nicklab on November 15, 2008, 02:48 PM
I've yet to see any of these at a Target store.  I may have to try running the DPCI number.
Title: Re: Target Exclusive Clone Wars Battle Packs
Post by: Jayson on November 16, 2008, 09:37 AM
These 2 set were place on shelf at my local Targets this morning. Might be worth a trip to your store if you're wanting them.
Title: Re: Target Exclusive Clone Wars Battle Packs
Post by: JediJman on November 17, 2008, 11:25 PM
These 2 set were place on shelf at my local Targets this morning. Might be worth a trip to your store if you're wanting them.

Jay - did you find the actual sets or just the shelf tags for them?
Title: Re: Target Exclusive Clone Wars Battle Packs
Post by: ruiner on November 18, 2008, 10:30 PM
I finally found one of these sets today - the 212th version.  It was the last one and I hope I can find the Yoda set someday.  Pretty good value considering the figures go for $7-8 individually.
Title: Re: Target Exclusive Clone Wars Battle Packs
Post by: Darth_Anton on November 19, 2008, 09:16 AM
I saw both of these sets yesterday, didn't buy them.
Title: Re: Target Exclusive Clone Wars Battle Packs
Post by: Darth Broem on November 21, 2008, 10:43 PM
Well I see a lot of stuff I would like to buy but just can't afford it.  LOL. 
Title: Re: Target Exclusive Clone Wars Battle Packs
Post by: skyward72 on November 22, 2008, 04:00 PM
I got both sets this week, seems like a good deal for 5 figures.
Title: Re: Target Exclusive Clone Wars Battle Packs
Post by: David on December 6, 2008, 09:54 AM
Found and purchased the Kenobi & 212th set at Target yesterday. ;D
Title: Re: Target Exclusive Clone Wars Battle Packs
Post by: Darth_Anton on December 7, 2008, 09:35 AM
I've been seeing plenty of these set around, I hope the army builders are happy.