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Title: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Scott on May 1, 2010, 08:33 AM
I was excited to see the preview for Season 3 last night.  My biggest thought right out of the bat is if they are trying to set up the death of Padawan Tano? 

It was so short I need to rewatch it a few times
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: iFett on May 1, 2010, 04:54 PM
My biggest thought right out of the bat is if they are trying to set up the death of Padawan Tano? 

I must have totally missed that in the preview.  Is this the last season?  I figured they'd wait until then to kill her off...
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Brian on May 3, 2010, 11:51 AM
For anyone wanting to re-watch the short preview, I see that the the Official Site (http://www.starwars.com/video/view/001020.html) has it up now.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: McMetal on May 3, 2010, 02:15 PM
Do ratings even factor into whether this show gets renewed? Or is it just subsidized by some kind of merchandising agreement?

I love that it's coming back, but even the most successful network shows don't usually get a firm renewal until late May/early June.

There was barely anything in the Preview worth commenting on, it was so short.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Jesse James on May 3, 2010, 08:52 PM
I feel like it was maybe less Ahsoka's getting offed and more Ahsoka's sensing the negative outcomes in the near future.  I mean, the Clone Wars only last 3 years I guess, so it seems like she could be feeling the impending doom of everyone, and not just herself.

It was very weird though.  It wasn't like last year to me.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: tmanthegreat on May 14, 2010, 07:49 PM
Late response here... but I feel that showing impending doom in the next season would be a good way to go.  I mean, we all know the way the whole thing ends.  Personally, I feel it would be best to kill off Ashoka, but have a couple ways it could be done:

1) It happens sometime before ROTS in the general timeframe, her death results from something that Anakin feels he could have prevented, and through his sadness for Tano's loss, he gets pulled closer to the dark side.  (I see this as somehow being the most likely scenario).

2) Tano survives up to the general ROTS timeframe and the last couple of episodes take place while the events in ROTS unfold, but offer us a different view of what was going on elsewhere besides Coruscant, Utapau, and Mustafar.  After some brave and very intense fight scenes, she gets whacked by the clones during the Order 66 purge.  Ideally, it would be Captain Rex that would shoot her, just to hit home the tragedy and make all those clone-loving pre-teen viewers cry :P

   
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Jesse James on July 22, 2010, 08:39 PM
(http://www.jedidefender.com/news/images/1-08/010CW3D_ARCDebut_TN.jpg)

I'm already antsy for Season 3.  ARC Troopers, finally making an appearance?

I wish we'd see the Republic Commandoes jump in too, but that seems less likely.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Jabba the Slug on July 22, 2010, 09:03 PM
Tano survives up to the general ROTS timeframe and the last couple of episodes take place while the events in ROTS unfold, but offer us a different view of what was going on elsewhere besides Coruscant, Utapau, and Mustafar.  After some brave and very intense fight scenes, she gets whacked by the clones during the Order 66 purge.  Ideally, it would be Captain Rex that would shoot her, just to hit home the tragedy and make all those clone-loving pre-teen viewers cry :P

A sidestory as to what happens w/ the rest of the galaxy during ROTS would be so great, because it also adds that extra "something" to the bigger story (of Anakin). Just because TCW is a kiddy-targeted show, I'm going to guess that Ahsoka won't be killed off, because, well, how many kids around the world are going to cry when they see Ahsoka get shot in the back? I'm guessing that her fate will be unknown: she'll survive Order 66 (maybe by killing Rex?), and disappear totally from any other EU sources (like Ventress did).
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Jesse James on July 22, 2010, 11:19 PM
I thought with the episode with the AWOL Clone that they were setting up the possibility of Rex disobeying Order 66.

Much like Jedi surviving the order, I can see SOME Clones disobeying the order.  If it were going to happen, I think Rex may be one of the ones that does.  Then again he's in the 501st, so maybe he's just drenched in Jedi guts after the order, who knows?  ;)
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Jabba the Slug on July 24, 2010, 03:40 AM
Another Season 3 Preview! (http://starwars.com/video/view/001056.html)

SPOILERS:

Something of interest is the voice of Aurra Sing in the beginning telling someone that Ahsoka will die and there's nothing anybody can do about it. Hmm...

Cad Bane and Obi-Wan lightsaber dueling - with bane using a green lightsaber! Ahsoka's?

Clone trooper training simulations!

Seargent Bric even makes an appearance - he trains shinies on Kamino (as revealed also on SDCC's Hasbro presentation)!

TODO 360 is back!!

I cannot wait for this season. Season 2 broke off with Season 1's more "kiddy" action feel, and even got a little darker. Well, it looks like Season 3 is going more forward with this break-off.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Diddly on July 24, 2010, 11:17 PM
I hope to catch most of this season on TV, as I'm sick of being a year behind on this show. (I wait for the DVDs)
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: McMetal on August 6, 2010, 12:00 PM

TODO 360 is back!!
 

As what - rubble? he was blown to bits in last year's season opener, wasn't he?

The writers of '24' even think that's a stretch...LOL
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Jabba the Slug on August 6, 2010, 08:12 PM
Well, he's right here in the preview, back to working for the guy who blew him up. Go figure.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Scockery on August 8, 2010, 07:38 PM
Interesting that Ventress and Grievous will finally share a scene together.

They can debate who is more incompetent and cowardly.

Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: McMetal on August 8, 2010, 09:14 PM
You know, Ventress has LONG since outlived her usefulness. Every second they extend her life is a further affront to the Sith Rule of 2. The Galaxy just ain't big enough for her, Palps, and Dooku. I thought they were all about the Master and Apprentice?

Tartakovsky had the right idea with her all along - a quick exit.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Jabba the Slug on August 9, 2010, 02:33 AM
Asajj Ventress is by far my favorite 'Star Wars' character in the entire saga - call me crazy or whatever (and, hey, Hasbro makes some pretty cool Ventress action figures!).

The problem with her in this entire TCW cartoon is that, firstly, she's not even supposed to be in it due to storyline issues that this entire cartoon series created, and, secondly, she's just in there as a filler villain. She has an entire backstory in the comics which helps develop her character and actually makes her useful. All we see her do in this series is talk smack and fight Jedi. There's no reference at all to her former past as a Jedi. She's just in here to add another villain in the show, which makes me wonder why Durge isn't in here. And another stupid issue this show creates is that Dooku's training her as his own apprentice - that's NEVER the case in the books and comics. She's just one of his sidekicks. And how can she have the capability to be able to almost kill Obi, Ani, AND Kit Fisto in the comics, yet not be able to kill Ahsoka? AND...! I think I'll stop here. ::) It's just so frustrating how this show has created problems for 'Star Wars.'

I'm so excited to see Ventress and Grievous' relationship in the upcoming episodes because 1. they're supposed to hate each other (as the books and comics properly show) and 2. they're always competing for Dooku's attention.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Jesse James on August 9, 2010, 02:51 AM
Tartakovsky also wrote her in as not a Sith, and made it pretty clear that she's just a pawn...  Other EU slipped in similar characters (what's the guy with the long blonde-ish hair's name?  He hangs out with Ventress, and they think they recruited Voss as another dark sider...  And Aurra Sing sorta fills this category.

In the OT then, Mara Jade's the same, as is the "Vader's Apprentice" character in TFU...  Pawns used by the SIth with dark side abilities through limited training.  Even Maarek Steele in the TIE Fighter game is a force adept, used by the Sith...

Ventress just fancies herself a Sith, but Palpatine and Dooku are pretty clear with each other that she's just a pee-on assassin they keep around.  The only two true Sith are Dooku and Palps, so the rule holds true.

That makes me like Ventress then a bit more...  She's ignorant of her true purpose.  She's just a pawn in the game, and expendable.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Jabba the Slug on August 9, 2010, 03:28 AM
Tartakovsky also wrote her in as not a Sith, and made it pretty clear that she's just a pawn...  Other EU slipped in similar characters (what's the guy with the long blonde-ish hair's name?  He hangs out with Ventress, and they think they recruited Voss as another dark sider...  

That's Tol Skorr - he came with Asajj in an '08 CP. And yeah, Dooku has plenty of "lackeys" like them to serve him, but it seems like Asajj has always been at the top of his list, although Sidious doesn't care much for her. The problem with the TV show is that Dooku has called her many times "his apprentice" - which could be understood as his way of manipulating her into his cause, even though in the original CW microseries he had to hand her her butt to prove she wasn't a real Sith - but the problem is that other TCW propoganda has done the same, which severely contradicts her true role. There's gonna be a lot of ret-conning to be done once this show has had its run.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Brian on August 10, 2010, 05:57 PM
Short teaser (http://www.newsarama.com/common/media/video/player.php?aid=37330) for Season 3 up at Newsarama.  Nothing we haven't seen before really, but it does give September 17th as the date for the premiere.  Not as long of a wait as with the last two seasons, so that's good.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Jabba the Slug on August 10, 2010, 06:27 PM
Wow, that's a month less than we usually have to wait.

Is it me, or is Dooku dueling Ahsoka in the first few seconds? Don't tell me she can actually put up a good fight. And I wonder how many more times we'll be seeing a Grievous/Obi duel or a Asajj/Anakin duel. I am excited though to see Asajj's standoff against a whole squad of clones.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Jesse James on August 10, 2010, 08:02 PM
I don't know, it seemed pretty obvious to me that Dooku calls her his "apprentice" to appease Assajj's desire to serve them...  I mean, if he said, "You did well, my pawn who I'll probably have killed off at some point", would she be so willing to serve?

See, it all plays into her character too, in that she's very gung-ho and eager to become Sith.  She truly doesn't understand what it is to be Sith though...  That's kept from her.  She's Dooku's apprentice, so long as it serves Dooku's purposes.  She clearly doesn't seem versed in the ways of the Sith as her masters are.  Again, she's just a pawn.

She's often referred to by others as an "assassin" as well...  Not even too Sithy it seems.

I think all the EU jives then for the most part...  She turns up super early in the Clone Wars, possibly even having been recruited prior to their start, and she keeps turning up to do the dirty work Dooku and Sidious just simply don't want to do, like harassing Jedi.  Sidious even seems to be using her in a manipulative way against Skywalker, possibly (likely?) without Dooku having a clue about it.

To me that all jives then...  I don't see a need to have something go back and "make it fit" because I can't see the actual break in her character at all.

And yes, Tol Skorr!  I forgot that dude's name, but he's a total puss by comparison.  Maybe h's just not reliable?  That's why Ventress gets most of the work?  When's he eventually even die?

Can't wait for Season 3.  Love new CW toons to watch.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Jabba the Slug on August 11, 2010, 12:27 AM
Sidious even seems to be using her in a manipulative way against Skywalker, possibly (likely?) without Dooku having a clue about it.

I agree that she is used as a tool by Sidious (he even says this himself) to help make the war go according to his plans - but she also [unknowingly] helps him to make Anakin Vader - in a duel with him, she threatens to kill Padme, which really pushes him over the edge and causes him to torture her with electric wires and drop her down a skyscraper. :o I also like her so much because she survived that...

Oh, and in response to your question about Tol Skorr's death, Jesse, he dies at Quinlain Vos' hand in the comic series "Star Wars: Republic" issue #77 (http://www.rebelscum.com/photo.asp?image=http://www.rebelscum.com/comics/dhswrepublic77.jpg&text=Republic 77). I personally didn't care when he was killed off - Asajj was always much cooler than him. What disappoints me though is that Dooku chooses to abandon Asajj and leave her for dead, which leaves him with Tol Skorr left as his last Dark Jedi acolyte. Dooku always had Asajj do his dirty work and was closer to her than his other acolytes, but he must have gotten tired of her. By the time Tol Skorr dies in issue #77, Asajj has been long gone.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Jesse James on August 11, 2010, 02:07 AM
I figured they offed Skor...  Assajj seems to get more love.  Skor was a tool in what I read about him.  Be cool to see him turn up in the CW3D toon before his death, but glad they wrapped up his existance at least.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Jabba the Slug on August 13, 2010, 08:13 PM
Scum took some pretty damn good notes (http://www.rebelscum.com/story/front/CV_The_Clone_Wars_Evolution_Panel_Coverage_133219.asp) from the TCW panel at CV. A very good read.

A main point they make is that Asajj Ventress will play a pivotal role in this season - and she may interact a bit with Aurra Sing and show her arse who's the ultimate bad girl of this series. Very cool. Considering I'm a huge fan of all things Ventress, this was enough to make me shed a tear of joy.

Also something interesting was that they said that the line "There are heroes on both sides [Republic/Separatists]" from the Ep.III crawl (which Scum labels as from Ep.II ::)) will be explained more. A good tie-in to ROTS.

Also, a brand-new character - to the TCW cartoon, at least - that shows up is Saesee Tiin! A picture of him with Adi Gallia can be seen at the bottom of the article. I'm pleased to see him, especially since he was killed off in like a second by Palpatine in ROTS.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Brian on August 14, 2010, 10:54 PM
Newsarama (http://www.newsarama.com/tv/star-wars-celebration-v-clone-wars-season-3-100814.html) has a detailed write up of everything discussed at the CW panel today at CV.  I guess a number of clip, including a "mega trailer" was shown as well.  Also sounds like a new character (Maul's brother) will be introduced this year.  Reading through everything, really has me hyped for the new season to start.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Jabba the Slug on August 15, 2010, 02:07 AM
HOLY. CRAP. A whole story arc around Asajj Ventress? My dream come true. ;D What's pushing it, however - her mom is still alive, and a Dathomir Witch?! This is straight-up plain evidence that whoever's behind creating these character backstories (obviously not George Lucas) aren't paying attention to the other EU stuff - Asajj's mom is supposed to be long dead!

Cool how Sidious wants Dooku to eliminate Asajj, I wonder if this is what eventually causes him to abandon her for dead.

I'm so glad we'll finally be seeing Dooku use his lightsaber. He hasn't turned it on since the TCW film in 2008.

And my question about Durge was finally answered - I love that guy, but I agree with George's decision to make a whole-new different character - which turned into Cad Bane. Interesting how Durge was supposed to take Bane's place in "Holocron Heist."

And Maul's brother - WTF?! How is this guy even supposed to know he's related? - Maul was taken away as an infant! But very cool nonetheless. I just hope they don't get way too up in their heads about creating this guy that they inadvertdantly mess up a whole lotta EU material.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Jesse James on August 15, 2010, 02:04 PM
There's a comic showing Maul as a child being discovered by Sidious, but not an infant.  He's pretty old, or at least old enough it appears.  That's actually in the Visionaries comic that was just out with the Maul/Owen figures IIRC.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Jabba the Slug on August 15, 2010, 10:44 PM
The "mega-trailer" (http://www.starwars.com/video/view/001074.html) that was shown at the TCW panel at CV.

This is really something. This is BIG! Darth Maul's brother, a pawn of Asajj Ventress, training under Count Dooku? It also looks like there will be a big battle between Asajj and Dooku. And apparently George Lucas' daughter wrote this Ventress sub-plot.

It looks like Ventress has a new outfit - the original outfit she wore as seen in the original microseries and comics! I'm crossing my fingers Hasbro makes an action figure out of this.

At about 3:01 into the trailer - if you pause it really fast - one of the 2 Jedi shown appears to be Master Tholme! This is a really cool tie-in, if it is Tholme.

The problem with this Kamino Battle is that it's already been done - in the comics. Shaak Ti, Obi-Wan, and Anakin were also present, which makes me wonder if this is the same battle, but if it's being shown for the first time on TV.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Scott on August 16, 2010, 09:40 AM
Wow, just watched the trailer this morning and it was kick ass!  Love the Witches, love the Kamino battle.  Not sold on Darth Maul Jr yet but love that Sidious is controlling Dooku and basically letting him know that he knows he has these little pet Siths in Training
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Brian on August 16, 2010, 11:52 AM
Just watched it this morning here as well, and it looks great.  Really psyched for the upcoming season.  Not sure about Maul's brother, but it could be cool and I'm sure kids will love it.  It seems like sometimes Lucas has a poor grasp on what is going to be popular.  He's often said how he  had no idea Boba Fett would be so popular, and was wrong about his role being so small and his death so quick.  To make up for it, we got Jango and now more Boba in CW.  Maul was probably one of...if not the....most well liked character from the prequels, and his role was short and sweet as well.  Now we get "Maul lite" in CW.  Overall though, the trailer looked amazing and I'm glad it is starting up in Sept. this year.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Jayson on August 16, 2010, 12:11 PM
HOLY. CRAP. A whole story arc around Asajj Ventress? My dream come true. ;D What's pushing it, however - her mom is still alive, and a Dathomir Witch?! This is straight-up plain evidence that whoever's behind creating these character backstories (obviously not George Lucas) aren't paying attention to the other EU stuff - Asajj's mom is supposed to be long dead!

I'm pretty sure it isn't her mom. The main Sith Witch's name (or at least how she is addressed) is Mother Talzen (sp?) - "mother" being more of an honorific.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Jesse James on August 16, 2010, 03:53 PM
Yeah I didn't get that impression either.

LOVED the trailer.  Watched it last night, and it's outstanding in every way.

Look at how the war is turning bad for the Republic too...  A lot of the good we saw in the first two seasons is overturned!  Ryloth's in serious jeopardy of falling to the Seps, Toydaria's insisting on remaining neutral despite the first episode of the series.  "Death Watch" is raising hell for Mandalore...  Kamino's then a prime target and seemingly vulnerable.  The Republic's in what appears to be serious trouble.

I also like seeing the separatists almost appear like they're getting their **** together too.

Doesn't ROTS open that the war's going badly for the Republic?  I like the thought that they'd build up to that.

Pretty cool stuff.  Looked like lots of warrin' going on too, in most of the episodes.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Jayson on August 16, 2010, 03:58 PM
Spoiler

There was a cool scene in the panel where the sith witches attack Count Dooku with lightsabers in his quarters while he is asleep. They are "invisible" but seen to us as smoky ghost-like figures. It was very entertaining as Dooku is in full-on Sith mode, but wearing monogrammed C.D. pajamas! It was funny and bad ass at the same time.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Jabba the Slug on August 16, 2010, 06:38 PM
I'm pretty sure it isn't her mom. The main Sith Witch's name (or at least how she is addressed) is Mother Talzen (sp?) - "mother" being more of an honorific.

Thanks for that clarification - it makes sense and also calmed me down a bit.

And it does appear that there's a lot of trouble for both the Republic and Seps - dissent within the Separatists with Grievous and Ventress fighting to take the lead and shaking off Dooku's restraints. And it seems that the Republic's having a hard time keeping its grasp on some core worlds (Ramino, Ryloth).

One of the things that Lucas said would be touched up on is what leads to the Jedi Order's fall, both literally and emotionally.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: JACKOFTRADZE on August 17, 2010, 01:21 AM
I found the following listing for Season 3 episodes Titles, lots of spoilers here so be forewarned...the last episode is very foretelling. Click at your own risk.

http://www.starwarsclonewars.net/tv_television_show_series/season_3_three_iii_third_3rd_series_3_three_2010/episode_guide_episodes_list_listing_lists_listings.html

Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Jesse James on August 17, 2010, 01:27 AM
Hmmm, a weird mix of episode names...  That one two-parter makes me cringe a little because I dont' want to see that in the PT era any more than we already have.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: JACKOFTRADZE on August 17, 2010, 01:30 AM
Some of these may be bunk but some seem to jive with what we seen in the trailer like Ghosts of Rage. We will soon know if that list is BS or not in the next week or two when we know the official title.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Jesse James on August 17, 2010, 02:11 AM
BTW, I noticed Republic Commandoes in the trailer I believe...  Nice! :)  I've gotten to rewatch it a couple times now, and see them exiting a shuttle.  Fantastic stuff.  I've thought their debut in this series is LONG overdue.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Jabba the Slug on August 17, 2010, 02:46 AM
Hmm, that's a strange list - I wonder if it's real. If it is, boy, am I excited! I'm mesmerized by the obvious OT tie-ins. And Darth Plagiuse? Nice.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Brian on August 17, 2010, 10:50 AM
Definitely an interesting list, but I'm really wondering if it is real.  It almost seems like too much to get fans worked up about, whether it is those two parters or the mentions of some of the EU characters/stuff in the titles.  If it does hold out to be true, it could really be an interesting season.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Pete_Fett on August 17, 2010, 02:07 PM
Sorry guys - totally NOT a real list - it's something that d-bag SuperShadow put together. Look at the rest of the links on the site - "Star Wars Episode 7 Seven Trailer", "Star Wars Episode 8 Script Plot", etc...

If he's correct on even ONE of those episodes, I'll be amazed.

Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Jayson on August 17, 2010, 03:01 PM
QnA clip from CV (http://www.starwars.com/inc/video.html?vidId=001072)
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: McMetal on August 19, 2010, 10:42 AM
Finally got around to watching the new trailer last night. Good stuff. This season looks action packed...can't wait for the Kamino siege. Good to hear they are making a point to move things forward plot-wise and character-wise. I really do hope they have a clear exit strategy and endgame in mind for the show though, and aren't just treading water ala LOST. If the show is planned for 5 seasons, stick to that and sketch out the arcs accordingly.

Now to the obligatory complaining.  ;D

I am troubled by the ongoing infusion of comic/novel/video game EU into the show. I get that it's a shrewd marketing ploy on the part of Hasbro to cross-pollinate the various lines and force suckers like me who love TCW but hate the "other" EU stuff to buy their crap. And it works. I ponied up the dough for my Kul Teska like a good little consumer, all the while wishing they just could have called him Wat Tambor and been done with it.

I just think it blurs all sense of continuity with these ongoing "mash-ups". It used to be I could just watch the show having seen all 6 movies plus the animated 3D TCW film, and I had all the background I needed to grasp the plot to its fullest extent. Now I'm increasingly baffled trying to figure out what the hell is a Quinlan Vos and a "Nightsister".  ::) (Bad Manga rip-off on those chicks BTW)

The other problem I have is that they are just overloading on too many characters now, particularly villains. Do we really need ANOTHER Sith lackey? I've lost count of how many bad guys there are at this point. They don't seem to have a problem killing Jedi on that show, why not spread a little death around on the Separatist side? A little purge now and again helps keep things manageable. (see: Heroes)

And just stop with the ridiculous names already. SAVAGE OPPRESS?!?! AYFKM? Yeah, the French inflection really makes him sound bad-ass. It's not even cute or clever anymore, it's just lazy. That schtick stopped being funny about 8 Bond movies ago.

Inane rants aside, I do really enjoy the show and am very psyched for the upcoming premier. And I'm buying all the toys just like they want me too.  ;D
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Jabba the Slug on August 19, 2010, 09:30 PM
They don't seem to have a problem killing Jedi on that show, why not spread a little death around on the Separatist side? A little purge now and again helps keep things manageable. (see: Heroes)

The only problem with that is that there are so little organic Separatist characters (Asajj, Dooku, Wat Tambor, Durge...etc.), and we already know what's going to happen to them eventually. The rest are all droids, and you really can't make a big death scene out of a droid.

And just stop with the ridiculous names already. SAVAGE OPPRESS?!?! AYFKM? Yeah, the French inflection really makes him sound bad-ass. It's not even cute or clever anymore, it's just lazy. That schtick stopped being funny about 8 Bond movies ago.

Savage (when pronounced in the show) sounds too much like 'Asajj.' I wouldn't be surprised if they got some influence there. To me Savage is completely unecessary, there was really no need to make him up. But either way, I'm happy he's there. He'll make a good action figure at the very least. ;D But I think we all know he's gonna die within this show...
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Jesse James on August 19, 2010, 11:12 PM
It seems like a nod to A) over-the-top-names in some of the inspiration for Clone Wars, and Star Wars as a greater whole, and B) also a direct link to the, "There are Heroes on both sides", line...  Those "heroes" will make good cannon-fodder for dramatic exits I think (hope) ala Grievous and Kenobi going at it.

I'm not in love with the name, but seeing a big badass Zabrak is kind of neat.  Like Dooku's always looking for the next counter-punch to a Jedi...  Assajj, Bounty Hunters, Grievous, and so on are all good characters in their own ways, but having more is like having more Jedi is all.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: McMetal on August 20, 2010, 10:57 AM
Good points, I was thinking about it last night and there will always be that goofy name precedent from the movies, although it seemed to get worse in the Prequels, so I get that. I just think they've kind of taken it to a rather ridiculous extreme. I like cool, alien sounding names like K'Kruhk though...wish they went more that route.

And yeah, I do love the Zabraks too, and this could be a potentially cool character, and certainly a worthy figure. Just wish he had a better name.

If they are introducing new characters with an ultimate endgame in mind for them, that's great. I just hate to see continual cluttering of the cast with no occasional deletions. It gets unwieldy after awhile. Less screen time for the "regulars" and all that.

Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Jeff on September 7, 2010, 01:13 PM
Cartoon Network has announced the first three episodes/names and synopses - SPOILER WARNING applies!



Friday, Sept. 17: "Clone Cadets"
Five headstrong clone cadets struggle to complete their training on the ocean planet of Kamino. Unable to work together as a team, they must learn to embrace their future as soldiers before they are drummed out of the academy.

Friday, Sept. 17: "ARC Troopers"
When the Republic learns of an impending Separatist attack on Kamino, Anakin Skywalker and Obi-Wan Kenobi hurry to the planet's defense. Asajj Ventress, General Grievous and an army of droids rise out of the oceans of Kamino, determined to destroy the planet's clone production facilities.

Friday, Sept. 24: "Supply Lines"
Ryloth is under siege. Trapped on the surface, Jedi Master Di rallies the local forces with the help of Cham Syndulla. Desperate to save them, Senator Bail Organa and Representative Jar Jar Binks are dispatched to the planet of Toydaria, where they must convince the King Katuunko to send aid.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Jayson on September 13, 2010, 11:51 PM
Clip from the "ARC Troopers (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TLAzzN57GHQ&feature=player_embedded)" episode.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Jabba the Slug on September 14, 2010, 01:58 AM
Holy crap, the animation is so much crisper and smoother alone in that clip. Very impressive work.

SW.com has a series of character cards that you can click on to see the bio of the character.

MAJOR FAIL:

Asajj Ventress is apparently now from Dathomir. And her species is "Dathomiri". What happened to her being from Ratattak? This is a really bad mess-up. Especially because now it seems that the whole story arc centering around her will support her "origin" from Dathomir.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: iFett on September 15, 2010, 08:04 PM
After all these years....DVR is finally installed and set up to record the entire season in HD   8)
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: McMetal on September 17, 2010, 09:55 AM
I'm officially geeked for tonight.  ;D

Can't wait to see Shaak Ti, Sgt Bric, and Clone Number 99. Looking forward to some awesome Kamino battle scenes too.

I wish they would do a late night repeat of this like they used to do.

And whose idea was it to release Season 2 on DVD AFTER the start of Season 3?  ::)

I would have liked to have caught up a little before the new shows started. All the major networks have figured this out long ago.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Scockery on September 17, 2010, 11:18 PM
Interesting, two more out of sequence episodes. (Which means that the almost-phase 2 helmet appears even earlier than thought!)

Sgt. Brick's voice was not what I was expecting. And was that other alien from the cantina?

Grievous and Ventress finally meet.

A whole new type of battle droid.

There were really good shots, too. Or animations sequences, whatever.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Jayson on September 17, 2010, 11:29 PM
Overall, I was totally impressed by both episodes. The action was very strong in both as was the narrative. It was interesting to see the origins of "Domino Squad", and life on Kamino. Clone "99" was a great character. 

On a side note, I swear there were times throughout both episode were I said "Ooooh, I want that as a figure" namely a Domino Squad battle pack and the new armor decos for Echo and Fives. I guess that is still the kid in me talking.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Jabba the Slug on September 18, 2010, 02:02 AM
I was thoroughly impressed - and is it just me or did the 2nd episode almost make some teary-eyes for other viewers out there?

Quick thoughts:

- I love Clone 99's character. I feel bad for him when I realized the sequence of events in the timeline, that Season 3 episode 2 came after "Rookies" - and how that affected 99.

- There was no better way to show Ventress and Grievous meeting for the first time. No wonder she bowed to him in "Rookies" - she hadn't met him yet. Also, him running into her whipping some ARC butt was completely badass - it makes me like her even more. And I love that little expression she makes when Grievous reminds her HE'S the General of the Droid Army - not her.

- The lightsaber sounds during the Ani vs. Asajj/Obi vs. Grievous duel sound a lot like the ones from Vader vs. Obi in ANH - not the humming sound from ESB onwards, but the crackling sound only heard in ANH.

- Boy, do I love Srgt. Bric! His voice and personality make his character 100 times better than what I anticipated it to be - I'm so looking forward to the mail-away now.

- You can tell the animatics have improved by the more natural movement and fluidity of Asajj's dress - if I recall correctly, it's expensive to simulate clothing movement.

- Love the music played in Clone 99's brave "trooper" moment. :'(
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Darby on September 18, 2010, 10:52 AM
I also loved these episodes.  Fantastic animation and cinematography.  There was so much about these shows that I loved:

Loved the origin of Domino Squad.  I thought it was a very interesting choice to present these shows 'out of order' but actually with Rookies, these two complete a trilogy.  The bouncing around in the CW timeline is very interesting for a cartoon (and any show in general).

Loved 99.  I would like to see a figure of him, even if I can hear Hasbro saying how boring he is.

Loved Bric and Ellis (?).  Bric especially.  Says a lot about the Republic that they farmed the training of the clones out to bounty hunters - and that they farmed it out to a bounty hunter (Jango) in the first place.  That's why the show is so much more successful than the PT films; it's a cartoon that has all these layers and ideas under the surface.  Take 99 - he's a living representation of the ethical failure the Republic has made.

Loved Ventress.  Did she show up once last year?  Glad we're going to get a lot of her this season.

Loved seeing Echo and Fives in their new gear - instant figures - and also seeing a glimpse of Broadside, another figure we still need.

Loved the duels - very OT and much more interesting than any they've done yet.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Brian on September 18, 2010, 11:35 AM
I thought the duels were some of the best yet as well, very cool.  I like both episodes a lot as well, and you could see a bit of improvement in the animation.  They both looked great.  I agree with what Jeff mentioned earlier, I think that some who are dismissing the show in general are missing out.  It really outshines the PT in many ways I think too, even though it is a "cartoon".

I found myself thinking about what would make cool toys as well (99, Fives/Echo in new unis, Obi-Wan's underwater sub-thingy, etc.).  I guess I'm the type of customer Hasbro/Lucasfilm loves, because every time I think about cutting back a little more on buying CW stuff, I see the show and get hooked back in a little again.  Glad that the new season is underway though, and off to a great start.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: tmanthegreat on September 18, 2010, 01:19 PM
Very pleased with both episodes.  I'm really a fan of the "clone centered" type of episodes and these two did not dissapoint.  I found it interesting to see a little background on the clone training process as well as what happens to the clones that don't quite make the cut.  Developing the clone characters and making them seem more human adds to the tragedy of the Order 66 sequence in ROTS - not that any of the younger viewers make that connection yet ;) 

The duels were great in the episodes as well - Kenobi vs Grevious had an ROTS vibe to it, sort of like a prequal to that final duel on Utapau.

Neat to start seeing the appearance of Phase II armor on the clones as well as the appearance of the ARC-170s in the space battle alongside the Y-Wings.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Matt_Fury on September 18, 2010, 01:51 PM
I enjoyed boh episoed....especially the tie in with Rookies.  I still don't like how Kenobi and Grievous meet up in this series....it goes against what we see in ROTS.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Scott on September 18, 2010, 02:08 PM
One of my favorite scenes was the talk with Shaak Ti and Lama Su and how they foreshadow the need for a new DNA donor.  That to me sets up a future episode...and brings up some interesting discussion.  As in who they are going to choose and why he is probably a bit less of a perfect donor than Jango...


I also really liked during the training scenes the overhead speaker going off every now and then.  Very Death Starish/Rebel Base :)
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Jabba the Slug on September 18, 2010, 03:51 PM
One of my favorite scenes was the talk with Shaak Ti and Lama Su and how they foreshadow the need for a new DNA donor.

Yes, I thought that was a very key and important part of the episode - I had no idea that the Kaminoans were running out of Jango's DNA to use. It definitely ties into the OT.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Scockery on September 18, 2010, 06:17 PM
Rewatching this morning, I caught the THX-1138 reference.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Jabba the Slug on September 18, 2010, 08:42 PM
Last night after the episodes I went online onto CartoonNetwork.com to watch a short snippet/summary of them. I noticed in the "ARC Troopers" clip that they actually show a shot of Asajj running the ARC through and then kissing him while he's in mid-air, dying. I thought this was odd cause maybe I missed it while it was on TV.

While watching it this morning this part was, indeed, cut out. Probably to keep it kid-friendly. Hopefully the shot will be included in the DVD release (whenever that is).
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: McMetal on September 18, 2010, 11:08 PM
Last night after the episodes I went online onto CartoonNetwork.com to watch a short snippet/summary of them. I noticed in the "ARC Troopers" clip that they actually show a shot of Asajj running the ARC through and then kissing him while he's in mid-air, dying. I thought this was odd cause maybe I missed it while it was on TV.

While watching it this morning this part was, indeed, cut out. Probably to keep it kid-friendly. Hopefully the shot will be included in the DVD release (whenever that is).

Dude, thanks A LOT for posting this. I just checked out the clip on their site and you are 100% correct - that was pure badassery and totally cut from the episode that aired. I loved that scene already but this just makes it a million times better. It BETTER be on the DVD!

I did not care as much for Episode 1 as Episode 2. I find the clones a little boring sometimes, although it was more than worth it for the glimpses of Shaak-Ti, Bric, and El-Les.

I really disliked whoever did the voiceover work for Bric though, I though he was horribly miscast and the role really fell flat for me as a result.

The second episode was the best of TCW for me though - epic battle scenes and close quarters combat. Kamino was rendered beautifully I thought.

New stuff we saw:
Aqua Droids! Hell yes, Hasbro - start working on the sculpt NOW!
Grievous' escape pod...meh, ok not that cool, but kinda sorta
Clone Communication Specialists! (Or whoever those clones in the soft-goods were with Yularen)
Kaminoans - Ok, not really new but I want one badly for the animated line - purty please?
El-Les! Great that we're getting Bric and Shaak-Ti, but how about Mr Cantina dude too?
Clone Number 99! I don't see them making this either, but it was a cool appearance

And last but nowhere near least:

The Sentinel, er...Squid Droid. I'm conflicted on this because on the one hand they were so freaking cool, but come on, that is derivative as hell. Don't be ripping off The Matrix - you're better than that! Screw it, I want one anyway... ;D
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Nicklab on September 19, 2010, 12:42 AM
Watching the Clone Troopers train on Kamino was absolutely eye-opening.  Including the fact that the training officers seemed quite prepared to fail Domino squad and demote them to duty as part of the maintenance detatchments.  And now we know a lot more about Sgt. Bric, even if he was referred to as Master Chief on the show.

I for one was really impressed with how the storylines of these Clone Troopers from the "Rookies" episode from season 1 were weaved together to make these two episodes.  The "Rookies" episode really was one of the highlights of season one.  And now to get some more insight on these Clones and how they have the capacity for more individuality sheds some light on how some troopers excelled and could work their way through the ranks to rise up to the level of ARC Trooper.  Plus we now get to see some actual ARC Troopers, too!  And there are finally names for some of the ARC Troopers that were revealed in the ARC Troopers battle pack, like Commander Colt.

Ventress is becoming more of an interesting character as well.  I was disappointed by her absence from season 2.  But it's good to see her back and to see the friction between her and Grievous examined.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Pete_Fett on September 19, 2010, 08:03 AM
So are the episodes in Season 3 going to jump around in the timeline of the past two seasons?

Clearly the first episode takes place before the events on the Rishi Moon Outpost in Season 1.

And then in the intro for the second episode, it made it sound like that now that the Rishi Moon Outpost was destroyed, the seperatists were working on a plan to invade Kamino. And then when Grievous and Ventress were talking, it was like the first time they had ever worked together.

So did Season 3 Episode 2 actually take place at a point later in Season 1?

There's the under-lying theme of "Secrets Revealed" this season, I wonder if part of that will be giving us companion episodes to episodes from Seasons 1 and 2 that expand on those stories and reveal "secrets" about what happened. For example, you could consider S3 EP1 as revealing the "secret" origin behind the squad of clones on the Rishi Moon. And then S3 EP2 as revealing the "secret" fall-out from the destruction of the Rishi Moon outpost. I'm probably reading more into it than I should, since it is a kids show.

Of course, the other big reveal is that it appears at Sargeant Bric has been around all along, we just hadn't seen him before. Same goes with the Hem Dazon looking Bounty Hunter/Trainer. So it's almost like Bric has been retcon'd into the series from the start. Now that we've seen him in an episode, he makes a great choice for the mail-away figure this year.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Darby on September 19, 2010, 11:38 AM
I'm sure there's a timeline out there somewhere, but re-watching Rookies, there is actually a little scene there about a proposed attack on Kamino, so 3.2 definitely takes place sometime in season 1.  The show's done this before, with Hidden Enemy I think. 

Where this jumping around will get interesting is when/if we see progressions in the looks/age of characters (Ahsoka, Troopers).  Will they jump back to earlier times then?  Will it be too confusing for kiddies?

I have a lot of thoughts about some of the themes the show has brought up - I need to write them all down first.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Scockery on September 19, 2010, 02:17 PM
The one episode "Cat and Mouse" from season 2 with Admiral Trench took  place before the movie as well, making it the "first episode" so far.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Jabba the Slug on September 19, 2010, 04:57 PM
So are the episodes in Season 3 going to jump around in the timeline of the past two seasons?

Yes, the producers have mentioned that this season in particular will do a lot of jumping around. Probably more than the first two seasons.

And then when Grievous and Ventress were talking, it was like the first time they had ever worked together.

That was the first time they met. I liked that sequence a lot - when Grievous runs into Ventress kicking some poor ARC's ass. Like I mentioned above, I hope that the scene where we actually see her impale him and then kiss him is included in the DVD release, it was that good (not to sound dark or anything >:D).

So far it seems that episode 1 takes place during Season 1. But episode 2 might actually take place at a MUCH later time period - judging by the dialogue 99 exchanges with Echo and Heavy, he hasn't seen them in a long time. And then also Grievous and Ventress were taking time to plan out the attack after their first plan failed in "Rookies."

Obi-Wan seems to be running into Grievous way too much, though. Although it doesn't conflict with the way they talk and duel in ROTS, but this must be the 5th time they've dueled in the TCW series. As long as Grievous and Anakin don't meet in the series, continuity flow should work out fine.

Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Jesse James on September 20, 2010, 02:34 AM
Not much for me to add that hasn't already been said, but I really enjoyed this premiere...  Hands down some of the better episodes IMO, of the entire series.  The second episode was far better though, to me, as it really threw us some great "Star Wars Action" we've come to expect from the films. 

Space Battles
Lightsaber Battles galore
Clones/Droids duking it out

And 99 actually was a very touching character.  Incredibly sad end to him.  He was very tragic.

This series sets you up to love the Clones...  Then they're not so lovable in the movie.  It's a very odd thing.  My gf teared up a little over 99.  I swear I caught her rubbing her eyes because his death bothered her (even if just a little).

I like that they stuck with the theme of Bounty Hunters doing the training too, going back to the ties with the Republic Commando series, and those Mandalorian Bounty Hunter packs from Hasbro.  Cool stuff.

And more Jar Jar coming up...  And he's such a superior character in the cartoon compared to the movies.  I'll echo Jeff's sentiments that if you're automatically dismissing this cartoon because it's prequal-era-focused, you're doing yourself a disservice.  It's vastly superior to Episode 1 and 2, as far as I'm concenred.  It's been at the very least on par with Episode 3, and superior in many ways.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Jesse James on September 20, 2010, 04:08 AM
By the way, here's the deleted death of the ARC Trooper.

I said to my gf when she impaled the guy, "WTH?  They didn't show it!", and she just chalked it up to being a kid's show...  Really, was this that bad though, compared to eveyrthing this series has shown thus far?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WE11a9BXe54&feature=player_embedded

Cool though, and I kinda wish they hadn't cut this out.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: 501ST on September 20, 2010, 05:01 AM
Capt Argyus and Tal Merrik died via lightsabers in the chest with it shown so I think it's ridiculous censorship on Cartoon Networks' part.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Keonobi on September 20, 2010, 10:27 AM
Great episodes.  I liked the exterior shots of Kamino, particularly the bridges and landing platforms between the buildings.  I really liked 99 and I'm glad he got to do his part for his brothers.

Quick question, who was the 5th member of Domino Squad?  Heavy, Fives, Echo, Cut-up and ____?
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Scott on September 20, 2010, 10:40 AM
Droidbait
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Brian on September 20, 2010, 10:49 AM
I'll echo Jeff's sentiments that if you're automatically dismissing this cartoon because it's prequal-era-focused, you're doing yourself a disservice.  It's vastly superior to Episode 1 and 2, as far as I'm concenred.  It's been at the very least on par with Episode 3, and superior in many ways.

That is something I've really felt as well.  I don't mean to "pile on the prequels", because there are a number of things that I like, but the Clone Wars in general does seem to capture the "spirit" of the Originals a little more, and in some cases the characterization/relationships are better as well.  I've often thought you get a much better sense of the "brothers" relationship of Obi-Wan/Anakin here than we ever got in the PT, and the Anakin/Padme relationship seems to come across better as well.  They also seem to have a good feel when introducing new characters, vehicles, etc.  The majority of stuff seems fun, and all sorts of "Star Warsy".

Granted, having more room to introduce characters and flesh things out helps (instead of just one - or three - movies), but I do think many people may dismiss it because it is animated or because it is prequel-era based - but it really is entertaining.  I know I look forward to it each week, and it tends to suck me into buying more CW stuff I didn't necessarily plan to originally.

They have mentioned how this season will have more ties to the OT, and that will be interesting to see.  I like Scott's comment about the possiblity of Jango's replacement coming up later.  That could be interesting to see.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Paul on September 20, 2010, 12:02 PM

 I'll echo Jeff's sentiments that if you're automatically dismissing this cartoon because it's prequal-era-focused, you're doing yourself a disservice.  It's vastly superior to Episode 1 and 2, as far as I'm concenred.  It's been at the very least on par with Episode 3, and superior in many ways.

I agree wholeheartedly.  I have dismissed this whole thing since the beginning.  Anything that was written after 1984 has always got the automatic thumbs down from me.

I watched those episodes this weekend and now find myself wanting to go get Season 1 and Season 2 on DVD and the Movie that was released as well. 

Best of all, this is the ONLY incarnation of Star Wars my 9 year old daughter will sit through.  After Saturday's viewing she wanted to get "Star Wars" out and she and my son played for hours. (Thanks Hasbro and Hunter for the AT AT Walker, please send another I've lost mine to the kids)

I am not a Prequel lover yet, but the Clone Wars, like Brian said, does fill in the gaps for stuff that I thought was missing in the Ep I and Ep II.  If they would have started the prequel at "Clone Wars", I think I would have been in from the beginning.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: McMetal on September 20, 2010, 12:44 PM
Some other thoughts after percolating over the weekend:

Yeah, the scene referencing the Clone DNA was highly significant, IMO. I'll admit that it appears I was wrong on this one - I always automatically assumed all the clones became Stormtroopers, but this may not in fact be the case. Or at the very least, there could be a Generation 1 and Generation 2, with separate donor material. I'm curious to see where they go with this.

Why are they hiring bounty hunters to train cadets in military strategy and operations anyway? Would you hire Duane "Dog" Chapman to train a squad of Navy SEALS? They're cosmic riff-raff, for God's sake. Why not send Tera Sinumbe out there for a few weeks? There have to be retired Jedi who could handle that sort of thing.

I continue to dig the ongoing "darksidenization" of Anakin. I'm not sure he was even half-joking about letting the Clones execute Asajj. Shoot faster next time, boys.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Jesse James on September 20, 2010, 03:19 PM
Bounty Hunting in Star Wars isn't like it is in the U.S. though...  In Star Wars, it's a fairly (seemingly) organized profession with lots of lucrative opportunity.  It also seems to span more than just picking guys up for something they did illegal, like assassination work and other stuff.

If anything, it seems like guys with extensive military backgrounds would wind up going into Bounty Hunting even...  So I can see it making a lot more sense in Star Wars than it would in the real world.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Jabba the Slug on September 21, 2010, 01:10 AM
I said to my gf when she impaled the guy, "WTH?  They didn't show it!", and she just chalked it up to being a kid's show...  Really, was this that bad though, compared to eveyrthing this series has shown thus far?

Yeah, this is pretty much nothing compared to what else we've seen (i.e., worms crawling in and out of people's noses). But also it makes Asajj a lot more frightening and sadistic to children. Heck, even we (I know I was!) were surprised when we saw this! We've seen bad guys (Captain Argyus, Tal Merrack) get stabbed, but a good guy such as a clone? I don't think we have. Which makes it more scarier to little kids to see the good guy get his ass tossed around pretty badly.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Jesse James on September 21, 2010, 02:29 AM
I don't know, that's pretty lame though...  It's a cartoon for sure, but they're certainly not holding the violence back on the series.  99 shot in the back twice?  It tugged at adult's hearts...  Assajj impaling a Clone nobody even really knew yet?  Meh.

I really hope the cut footage is included in the DVD, but I'm disappointed it wasn't in the show.  I think it was a sign of the CW3D crew being overly cautious, or Cartoon Network being excessively lame.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Pete_Fett on September 21, 2010, 07:01 AM
Could the kiss have been viewed as essentially Asajj kissing a dead man on the lips and that's what was objectionable?

Sure he may have only been "mostly" dead when she did it, but could have some worry-wart exec been concerned that it would be viewed as some form of necrophillia (sp?)

I certainly hope it's in the Blu-Ray/DVD release - in the Season 1 set there are four or five "extended cut" episodes, so maybe one or both of these will also get the extended cut treatment.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Scockery on September 21, 2010, 07:59 AM
I don't know why they used the term "bounty hunter" constantly, I guess because "mercenary" is too hard foreign sounding to 6 year olds.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: McMetal on September 24, 2010, 10:04 AM
Another retro ep tonight "Supply Line" - flashback before Season 1 even.

Weequay Jedi FTW!
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Jayson on September 24, 2010, 12:54 PM
Nikto Jedi Ima-Gun Di  ::) :P
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: GrandMoffNick on September 24, 2010, 12:55 PM
Nikto Jedi Ima-Gun Di  ::) :P

Seriously?
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Scockery on September 24, 2010, 09:44 PM
So when will Season 3 actually start? I mean, in terms of events.

I wanted Lott Dodd to win.

I'm amused by the absurdity that the Trade Federation isn't at war.

Seems like the clones could've held out longer if they'd used cover more.

I don't understand why Orn Free Ta has only 3 fingers (and 1 thumb) on each hand.

Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Jabba the Slug on September 25, 2010, 01:09 AM
This episode didn't do much for me - and, while I've never been a hater of Jar-Jar, I think his dinner scene was a little too over-the-top for "Star Wars." I know that the TCW show is generally aimed at kids, but the cast and crew can't forget that this is "Star Wars" and not some other child's story.

I was surprised by the Nikto Jedi's fate. It shows that the Jedi don't always win in battle, which sorta leads into the whole "Fall of the Jedi" notion with Order 66. All in all, an OK episode, but I liked "ARC Troopers" more.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Brian on September 25, 2010, 12:14 PM
I thought last night's episode was ok, but nothing amazing either.  I did like the stuff on Ryloth though, including the new Jedi and his clone commander.  The Jar Jar stuff was a little wacky (of course), but like Jesse has mentioned before, I do think he is a more likeable character here than in the prequels.

I'm looking forward to next week though, and kind of jazzed to see Greedo.  He seems to be speaking without subtitles as well, but I think they've explained why they have to do that, so I guess I understand.  You can tell that although they say it is "for the kids" that they are aiming for the fans as well, since the teaser for next week was like "Greedo...yeah, we thought you'd like that"...I sort of doubt most kids have any idea who Greedo is.  It is interesting to see how they can intertwine some of these OT characters into the Clone Wars, with Bossk and now Greedo.  I really have a feeling we're going to see Chewie and possibly Han at some point this season too, or certainly before the series is over.  I remember reading somewhere that Lucas at one point wanted to have a young Han in ROTS, before dropping the idea, and he usually likes to re-use ideas when possible.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Jabba the Slug on September 25, 2010, 07:17 PM
I honestly would not surprised to see han sometime soon. Or Chewie. Or both in the same episode! ;)

I don't think it was absolutely neccessary to create an episode with Baron Papinoida. I think it was a nice way for Lucas to make a cameo in ROTS, but to now see that character explained takes away a bit from the special cameo George made.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Scockery on September 25, 2010, 09:18 PM
Will Greedo shoot first in next week's episode?

Seriously, wondering if there will be a reference to that.

Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: McMetal on September 27, 2010, 09:42 AM
I don't think it was absolutely neccessary to create an episode with Baron Papinoida. I think it was a nice way for Lucas to make a cameo in ROTS, but to now see that character explained takes away a bit from the special cameo George made.

 ???

Was there a character in Friday's episode by that name? If so, I completely missed it. Who was it? I've never even heard the name before...

Not a bad episode, but fairly unremarkable. I did notice that they continue to go back and forth on their pronunciation of Twi'lek. (I really think it should be a long "I" there, as in "Bene Tleilax", rather than a short "EE" sound - that just sounds wimpy)

I'm completely ready for them to resume the "current" timeline. I think we've dabbled in the past long enough.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Jeff on September 27, 2010, 09:54 AM
I don't think it was absolutely neccessary to create an episode with Baron Papinoida.

Was there a character in Friday's episode by that name? If so, I completely missed it. Who was it?

Papanoida (http://www.starwars.com/databank/character/baronpapanoida/index.html) (Lucas' cameo character in RotS) wasn't in the episode, he was in the preview for the next episode.

It could be funny or it could be lame to see Lucas in there...  I wonder if he voiced his own diologue or not. :P   
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Jayson on September 27, 2010, 10:27 AM
They showed footage of the Papanoida scenes (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=glhFZ2wWP1s&feature=player_embedded) at CV during the Secrets Revealed panel. I didn't hear much for dialogue but his scene were loaded with action.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Jeff on September 27, 2010, 05:32 PM
It could be funny or it could be lame to see Lucas in there...  I wonder if he voiced his own diologue or not. :P   

Guess not... (http://starwars.com/theclonewars/sphere_preview/index.html)

"None of the Lucas family provides voice-acting for the series, however; Jett's doppelganger is voiced by Robot Chicken's Seth Green, while Amanda and Katie's avatars are voiced by Meredith Salenger (who also voices Barriss Offee) and Nika Futterman (Asajj Ventress), respectively. Lucas himself is voiced by Clone Wars regular Corey Burton (Count Dooku, Cad Bane) -- who based the character's distinctive sound on Orson Welles' Harry Lime from The Third Man. "
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: iFett on September 27, 2010, 10:16 PM
DVR cheesed out on me for last week's episode.  Glad to hear it sucked for the most part.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: McMetal on September 29, 2010, 12:07 PM
Papinoida sounds like some kind of genital wart.

Good to see Seth Green make another appearance. And Meredith Salenger is always on time.  ;D
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Scockery on October 1, 2010, 10:35 PM
"Sphere of Influence" used a lot of characters but didn't "wow" me. Not sure what the point of some of these episodes are in the greater scheme of things, but that's me falling for the "preview made the season looks so great", like the opening credits of an 80's action show. (R.I.P. Stephen J. Cannell) It's true they can't and shouldn't be all epic battles. This one did almost spell out "THIS IS AN EPISODE 1 TRIBUTE".

All these non-combatant types experts with a blaster against people who should be better than them? Yeah, it's just a t.v. show. I know.

Ahsoka's a badass against droids but calls it quits when Nemoidian troops arrive. Not one to kill living beings? Heck, the Papanoida clan massacred a whole bar!

Also, our main heroes and villains are mostly bit players lately. That's okay, but I wonder if that reduces kid appeal.

Next week, yep, it's a Meg episode. I mean, a Padme/Duchess Sattee episode. Political intrigue. Taxation of trade routes. Citizen outrage. Debate. Hopefully more Lott Dodd.  He's the main villain this year. Ha-ha. (Go ahead and ask Hasbro if they'll make a figure of him.  :P )

Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Jabba the Slug on October 2, 2010, 03:53 AM
Well so far I can only say that I've been truly impressed by "Clone Cadets" and "ARC Troopers." I haven't been wowed by any episodes in particular since then.

Although the Baron Papadude episode slightly exceeded what I thought it would be, it wasn't thrilling by sorts. And I'm not really looking forward to the Padme/Mandalore episode. Throw Plo Koon or Anakin or someone with a lightsaber in there and it'll seem more exciting.

But for right now I'm looking forward to the Ventress story arc, mainly because I really wanna find out more about Savage Oppress.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: iFett on October 2, 2010, 09:48 AM
Do kids really like cartoons about politics?  I sure don't.  I've said it before, but I don't care for these types of episodes.  Yawn
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Hobbie on October 2, 2010, 06:29 PM
I didn't particularly cae for the ep., but I did like Ahsoka's hovering Chi up so she wouldn't be caught.  I was at first confused why Ahsoka gave up to the Nemoudians at the end, but then realized that she probably Jedi-sensed their confusion and lack of direct threat towards her and the blue girls.  After all, they didn't start shooting at her or anything, and it was very wise of her to rely on old-school Jedi diplomacy instead of just cutting everyone on the ship in half, the way Anakin probably would have.  Not that that wouldn't have been cool.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: McMetal on October 2, 2010, 09:10 PM

Next week, yep, it's a Meg episode. I mean, a Padme/Duchess Sattee episode.


"Go on...change the channel. No one would blame ya"  ;D

I like Satine, but much prefer her interplay with Obi-Wan. Padme = B-O-R-I-N-G.

Last night's ep was ok. I'm not big on the political stuff either, but it wasn't as tedious as it could have been. I loved the glimpse inside Jabba's palace. Greedo definitely needs a figure now. And now they've got an excuse to make an animated Jabba as well.

Who was the wolf-dude with Greedo? Did he get killed? Or same guy we saw in ANH?
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Matt R. on October 2, 2010, 09:27 PM
they already made a animated Jabba
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: JACKOFTRADZE on October 3, 2010, 02:23 AM
Well so far I can only say that I've been truly impressed by "Clone Cadets" and "ARC Troopers." I haven't been wowed by any episodes in particular since then.

Man, you summed up my feelings perfectly. I have not been too impressed with this season either thus far. The last 2 episodes seemed like they were just ho-hum filler episodes. Neither really added anything to the overall story arc or gave me a sense of importance. The first two episodes were great, the third was kind of OK and this weeks Lucas was a real let down. It was nothing more than a vanity piece. (I do love how they stuffed Embo in the background at Jabba's Palace and did not even give him a speaking line. I also want to know how anyone can walk in Jabba's Palace without being questioned, it seemed like it was a bar not his Palace. What happened to the locked gate with the eyeball droid spouting all of that gibbersih?)

Next week's episode does not look too promising either as many have pointed out. Padme episodes are always boring and I am not sure how these play with the kids. With this particular show I am more than content with the "drop the anvil on the head instant satisfaction formula" of epic battles only. The deep intrigue in a half hour is too rushed to have a real impact. I expect some boring episodes but so far this season is not impressing me we are 4 episodes in and have a 50/50 split of good/bad. I really hope the 6th episode looks appealing because I am not anticipating next weeks Padme snooze fest to be good.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Jesse James on October 4, 2010, 02:31 AM
I just got to watch both of the last two episodes this evening, and I liked them...

Last week's episode with Jar Jar had a bit more warrin' than was made out by you guys.  There was a flip-flop constantly between Bail and Jar Jar trying to get TOydaria's support for the Ryloth Siege, and then the Ryloth Siege itself with the Nikto Jedi...  I thought the action on Ryloth was great, introduced some new Clones and a new Jedi, and it was cool how they sacrificed themselves for the Twi'Lek's who had lost faith in the Republic.  They got it renewed, but at a cost.  Kind of sad.

I liked that Jar Jar once again wasn't a big douche like in the prequals, but was actually kind of entertaining and a little interesting.

I also liked how the Trade Federation's openly playing both sides of teh conflict as well...  It's nothing for kids so much as it is for the adults I think, but it expands the complexities of the political landscape where the corporations and guilds and such are filled with as much power as a planet representing individuals.  This ties sort of nicely to the EU of the Original Trilogy where Palpatine puts a lot of corporate interests under the umbrella of the Empire so they're less politially influentially, and more or less part of military in a way.  It leaves all those other corporations, banks, and so on, out in the cold somewhat.

This Friday's episode was weird...  I like the blue people, actually, so seeing them expanded upon a little was neat.  I really like seeing the underworld of the movies explored in the toon a little too, but I really could've lived without Greedo showing up.  His backstory didn't jive with this really, though it could be made fit I'm sure.  I just like keeping my OT free of too many ties to CW3D is all, more or less.  As it stands the Falcon has shown up in the prequals, and Chewbacca...  OK, Jabba lives a long time, great, but every species but Humans lives a long time now?  I don't care for that too much.  I'd prefer they had some no-name hunter in there.  Or use Embo maybe?  Why not?  He's a hunter, not a hero.  The duality of those character types could've been played up some.

Either way though, I enjoyed it...  Plenty of action.  A small homage to Lucas' kids...  That's fine.  Next week goes back to Mandalore, and shows its deteoration since last season, and I'm ok with that too.  Rather than just writing the planet off as a short side-story or something.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Jabba the Slug on October 4, 2010, 02:41 AM
While "Clone Cadets" was OK by my standards (I usually care more for episodes w/ lightsaber duels), it got extra points for tying in so nicely with the next episode, as well as with the "Rookies" episode.

"ARC Troopers" was flat-out brilliant.

"Supply Lines" is where it begins to decline. The action on Ryloth was great, but the episode really lost points from me with Jar-Jar's whole dining sequence. I know he's meant to be really goofy and all, but this was just something I would never expect to see in "Star Wars."  

"Sphere of Influence" shouldn't have been included in the season - maybe as a bonus episode for the DVD release, but this wasn't really a contribution to the show at all. I see this as Filoni's attempt to go for points by putting Greedo and Baron Papanoida in the same episode.

Next week's episode... Ugh. At least put in an anchor character (and I DON'T mean Padme!). Just like Hasbro action figure waves have an "anchor figure" that is usually the top seller of the wave, these episodes should include "anchor" characters that everyone wants to see in action. Not to be sexist, but, for little kids, a non-Jedi female-centered episode with lots of politics isn't exactly exciting.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: McMetal on October 4, 2010, 09:29 AM
they already made a animated Jabba

Of course you're right, I meant to say "animated Oola", although technically speaking I'm sure it was not intended to be the same character.

Pretty sure I saw Embo again in that scene too.

Who was the Wolfman?
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: shmashwitdaclub on October 4, 2010, 12:02 PM
yeah Embo was definitly in the episode
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Scockery on October 8, 2010, 11:10 PM
Tonight's episode...I dunno. When the show gets too talky, my suspension of disbelief in the animation starts to wander in terms of voices matching up the characters...(I've still got mixed feelings about some character designs even this far along), as well as seeing reused character models. Looks like they kept reusing the same Mandalorian boy.

And this was the opening of an arc?  It's notable that'll be the 3rd episode in a row focusing on female protagonists (Okay, the Baron and his son split "Sphere of Influence", though they were really guest stars).

Were the reptillian smuggler aliens supposed to be Xizor's race...probably not, but I thought maybe at first.

Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Jabba the Slug on October 9, 2010, 01:00 AM
Definitely a sleeper episode. I did notice that the Mando boy model kept getting reused, too.

I'm not looking foward to next week's episode, either, even though it has Ahsoka. Probably a way to bring interest to the episode. The last 2 episodes (including this one) haven't done anything for the Clone Wars story. They could have been included in any other time frame.

I still think the first 2 episodes were the best. But I'm seriously disappointed with the direction of the season so far.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: iFett on October 9, 2010, 11:14 AM
Another stinker.  First 2 episodes were so great....What happend  ???
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Darby on October 9, 2010, 01:29 PM
I don't know what's worse... that I was actually excited by the prospect of a Padme/Satine episode, or that I almost fell asleep during this.

Trade routes and political intrigue are ambitious goals for any writer of a cartoon, but you have to have good writing and this episode didn't.  You can't endlessly repeat 'trade routes' and 'corruption' to bring your point home.  Besides the guy at the dock, we need to see this corrpution at work.  Nor can you have Satine be so naive.  After the experience with Death Watch, she'd have to be much more accepting of her people's failings.  Also, have Padme and Satine investigate the plot themselves (no Mandalore CSI?  No matters of state for them to deal with?) was a little much.

One more week of this doesn't bode well either.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: GrandMoffNick on October 10, 2010, 10:10 AM
I was laughing my ass off at how many times they said "corruption". It seemed like maybe Lucas wrote the dialouge for this episode.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Matt_Fury on October 10, 2010, 05:13 PM
This episode was clearly just a set-up for next week, but it really didn't hold my attention too well.  It didn't help my one week old kid was a little fussy.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: McMetal on October 10, 2010, 10:32 PM
Yeah, it was everything it was cracked up to be...B-O-R-I-N-G.

I also found it weird that they felt the need to introduce a whole new species. There are already so many existing ones in the canon they could have chosen from. Instead they just go all Stargate and whip something out of their arses. Seemed contrived and pointless.

I found myself  musing whether they would ever make a figure out of those Mando royal guards, they get a lot more screen time than those ridiculous cops.

I wonder if it is a source of contention between Hasbro and Filoni how much they feature Satine on the show. I feel like it must really grind Hasbro's nuts because her omission from the animated line becomes increasingly glaring with each passing episode. (IMHO)

Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Jesse James on October 11, 2010, 01:32 AM
I just got to watch this week's episode tonight...  and yeah, I didn't care for it.

I actually liked the political story for what it was, but as far as excitement, it was a big empty waste.

I thought the story also was so far removed from the central theme of "The Clone Wars" as well...  It may play out more in the next episode that it ties to the war a bit more than was led on, but it really just was this pretty wholely separate bunch of **** going on, very loosely having anything to do with the war. 

The only cool thing were Satine's personal guard and their somewhat badass behavior... 

I was ok with the new species being introduced though, actually.  It was one of the few positives.  There are only so many species seen in the film before the redundancy of a galaxy comprised of, "a million million worlds" becomes comical because you only see so many species in the toon.  That's what I like about some EU, when they introduce the Chiss, or the freaky guy Maul had to kill in an arena-type situation to prove himself to Palpatine back in the day.

You can only re-use Gotals, Ithorians, Quarren and the like, so often, and seeing movie aliens all the time is still highly limited.  Though I did think the new alien guys were kind of lame looking.  Maybe if they didn't have the ancient Egyptian outfits on, they'd have been cooler.  What's wrong with clothes like Han for these guys to wear, ya know?  Jackets, a shirt, and pants, with some boots.  Simple.

This episode really was wanting though...  It felt like there was some previous episode missing that may turn up later showing that Padme's being used in part of a greater plot to undermine Mandalore and bring them back into the Republic flock.  I dunno. 

The fact their planet is all blue-eyed and blonde is getting a little weird too.  There's hardly anyone else...  Though there was that very Jango-like guy that got questioned by the Dutchess and Padme. 

I dunno though, this one just stunk to me too.  Next week is a continuation of it, so I hope it is an improvement of the episode, and not just more of the same junk.  It looks slightly more interesting, but not much, so I'm holding only a sliver of hope at this time.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Brian on October 11, 2010, 12:16 PM
I thought this last episode was a bit on the boring side as well.  I mean, I don't mind them doing episodes like this necessarily...but I just didn't find it real interesting.  I always think about what the 8-10 year old bracket would think, and I think if we're bored by something like this, they are bored to tears.  I don't know if it would be so bad if it wasn't for the fact that the season sort of started with a "bang", and has been a bit slower since then (at least so far, it is still early).  I did like the Greedo/Papanoida episode some though.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: JACKOFTRADZE on October 11, 2010, 12:43 PM
Outside of the first two episodes this season stinks so far and is the weakest of the three. This weeks upcoming episode does not look too promising either. They promoted this season to be dark and to have "Secrets Revealed", in my opinion, the only Secret Revealed is that the season is no where near as exciting as the trailers showed them to be.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: McMetal on October 12, 2010, 11:08 AM
The fact their planet is all blue-eyed and blonde is getting a little weird too.  There's hardly anyone else...  Though there was that very Jango-like guy that got questioned by the Dutchess and Padme. 

co-sign.

They need to establish once and for all whether Jango is a Mandalorian or not. This series would be an excellent place to explore his backstory. (Yes, I'm sure some dweeb comic book writer has already created a backstory, but nevermind that)

Why is he the only swarthy looking Mando with an Australian accent?
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Jesse James on October 12, 2010, 03:05 PM
Actually Jango's backstory was fleshed out in some kind of cooperation with the filming of AOTC...  It's probably one of the better established storylines for a character.  He even got a video game at the time as well, which is still a blast to play.

Don't really recall them saying specifically that he's from Mandalore though, but I just always assumed he was since he was a Mandalorian Warrior and all that jazz.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: JACKOFTRADZE on October 12, 2010, 03:49 PM
They need to establish once and for all whether Jango is a Mandalorian or not. This series would be an excellent place to explore his backstory. (Yes, I'm sure some dweeb comic book writer has already created a backstory, but nevermind that)

Why is he the only swarthy looking Mando with an Australian accent?

I so wish they would explore this instead of tainted kids "soft drinks".
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Jesse James on October 12, 2010, 07:59 PM
Interesting video on SW.com, as per our story on the front page...

Seems like Ahsoka's moving towards Padme on Mandalore may have something to do with this.  Perhaps these episodes are part of a greater whole?
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Darby on October 12, 2010, 08:17 PM
Or this is their way of making us quickly forget last week.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Jesse James on October 12, 2010, 08:42 PM
It might be, but if it's all intertwined, it makes a bit more sense then...  The smuggling/underworld tie-in, exposed by Padme/Satine, Ahsoka investigates at their request and it gets more interesting.

It's really amazing how the series has taken Aurra Sing and made her infinitely more interesting than she ever was before...  I mean, she's just really creepy.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: JACKOFTRADZE on October 12, 2010, 10:10 PM
Or this is their way of making us quickly forget last week.

My guess: I think the last three episodes will be a dream sequence like Dallas. Asoka wakes up from the nightmare of watching them and then they go back to the instant gratification formula of episodes that have lots of fights with a little plot. As soon as she wakes up she fights Aurra in a lightsaber duel gets offed and we will all care again.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Jabba the Slug on October 12, 2010, 10:20 PM
[As soon as she wakes up she fights Aurra in a lightsaber duel gets offed and we will all care again.

I hope we see Aurra actually use a lightsaber in this series. To 1. make her cooler, and 2. to remind us that she was once a Jedi.

It sucks that the crew is very limited in what secrets that can reveal in this "Secrets Revealed" season since we already know what happens right after the Clone Wars.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: McMetal on October 12, 2010, 10:42 PM
Yeah, I'm looking forward to more Aurra, they have done her justice and then some.

Not much to surmise from the trailer, seems like one of those "double dream sequences" ala Friday the 13th or something.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: shmashwitdaclub on October 13, 2010, 08:46 AM
My guess: I think the last three episodes will be a dream sequence like Dallas.

that got a big lol out of me.

I think I am missing something, on the main page of jd.com there is mention of 3-d, are we talking actual 3-d or just what we are calling the show?
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Greedo The Green Menace on October 14, 2010, 05:03 AM
I prefer to think of this Greedo as Greedo Sr. rather than the dude from ANH. I suppose in the big picture it isn't really that big a deal though. I thought the blue people episode was ok as well, though I couldn't help but think it was kind of suck uppish, with how invincible and brilliant they made Papanoida. I missed last weeks though I don't mind the occasional political intrigue episode, although they have demonstrated in the past that they can do these types of episodes and still maintain a certain level of action/adventure.

On another note, after watching the first two clone centric episodes this season, I must say I'd really like to see some of the final episodes of the series take place during Order 66/the purge. The clones in this show are so much more than the faceless  duplicates from the prequels, it'd be really interesting to see order 66 from their point of view. I'm sure some of them weren't that keen on the order, maybe had doubts but followed the order anyway and have to live with that, or maybe some desert. Lots of interesting places they could go with those stories.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: JACKOFTRADZE on October 14, 2010, 12:11 PM
Once again you are dead on with your CW post, you are also dead on with the clones. I was sad to see the defect clone die, he was very likable and created an emotional attachment for only being in two episodes, you even felt more for Hevy. The Papanodia episode was so suck uppish it was "pukeish" and what was the point of stuffing Greedo in it? As I mentioned, this weeks upcoming episode looks like another stinker so I really hope it picks up after this one. They are seriously wasting episodes on political nonsense and honestly if they is any minor snippet that ties to a later episode it's going to be some minor thing that is not worth it. So far every time I see Padme in an upcoming episode I know it's going to be a bore. So far it's been all too true.

I seriously would rather watch a half hour episode that is 100% fighting with little plot like last seasons Geonosian assault. It lead up to something bigger but it was mostly showing a brutal battle that makes for great toys.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Jabba the Slug on October 15, 2010, 01:18 AM
I'd be very happy if there was a 1-hour series finale which showed the effects on the clones of Order 66. There's no way they could have just shot down their buddies without a second thought - or is there? It would be very interesting to see Bly's reacton after he shoots Aayla in the back.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: 501ST on October 15, 2010, 05:45 AM
Quote
McMetal on October 12, 2010, 11:08 AM

They need to establish once and for all whether Jango is a Mandalorian or not. This series would be an excellent place to explore his backstory. (Yes, I'm sure some dweeb comic book writer has already created a backstory, but nevermind that)

Why is he the only swarthy looking Mando with an Australian accent?

Temuera Morrison is a New Zealander and not Australian.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temuera_Morrison
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: McMetal on October 15, 2010, 11:24 AM
Temuera Morrison is a New Zealander and not Australian.

Same difference - unless you're from there.  ;D

Tonight - The Academy

Tired of epic space battles? Cool looking aliens? Action?

Wish they would spend more time on human kids getting into all kids of family friendly mischief?

Then tonight's snooze fest is for you!

Savage Oppress can't get here quick enough...
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Jabba the Slug on October 15, 2010, 05:47 PM
Savage Oppress can't get here quick enough...

I know, huh? As a huge fan of Asajj Ventress, I can't wait for the story arc revolving around her. I think we can all expect the episodes revolving around her and the intro of Savage to be darker-themed and more dramatic. Hopefully they aren't meant for the Season 3 finale.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Scockery on October 15, 2010, 10:52 PM
Based on last year's season 2 preview (Remember Death Watch Mandos being shown?) , we can expect Oppress to appear in February.

Tonight's episode wasn't as bad as I figured, but still the weakest story arc yet.

Also, didn't there use to be male heroes on this show? I mean, beside Corky the plucky Mandalorian cadet.  :P

To the show's brainwashing credit. I almost want a Mandalorian police officer figure now...except the lack of knee joints still blows.

Next week....Aurra's got a different look. I smell a future repaint figure.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Jabba the Slug on October 16, 2010, 03:04 AM
Last night's episode wasn't that bad, actually, but it wasn't the most exciting, either. Next week's episode will be great.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: 501ST on October 16, 2010, 01:09 PM
Yes,there's been more than enough "sitting on hands" episodes.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: iFett on October 17, 2010, 06:59 PM
Last night's episode wasn't that bad, actually, but it wasn't the most exciting, either. Next week's episode will be great.

I hope next week will be good.  This one wasn't as bad, but ya - nothing special about a bunch of kids running around trying to discover where there food is....
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: McMetal on October 18, 2010, 10:25 AM
Next week....Aurra's got a different look. I smell a future repaint figure.

I noticed that too - and I would gladly purchase any repaints of this character they would like to make. Git r done Hasbro.

Glad to see they are headed back towards something remotely interesting next week. These last 2 episodes have been painfully dull.

The only thing missing from Friday night's episode was the cranky old Prime Minister complaining that he "would have gotten away with it too, if not for those meddling kids!"  ::)



Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Scott on October 18, 2010, 10:48 AM
I thought Friday sucked and my kids quit watching about half way through

Yawn
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Keonobi on October 18, 2010, 10:51 AM
I didn't get to watch last week or this week's episodes until Saturday night and I have the same "meh" reaction.  It was certainly better than watching Dora the Explorer, but sub-par for the Clone Wars.  Two things to comment on really though:

First, why did Lucas mess with Mandalore?  I've read all of Karen Traviss' books and think that the backstory she developed fit better with the other EU.  (Isn't that a bit of circular logic on my part?) Plus, it could have fit within the story that the Clone Wars was telling (the hiring of mercenaries/bounty hunters to train the clones, clones being individuals with varying motivations, etc.).  I think that most of the story that has taken place on Mandalore could have easily been transposed to nearly any other system; which would have left intact the Traviss story.

Second, I'm hoping there is a big pay off to the Mandalore episodes.  Dutchess Satine needs to do something big.  Unless she's been manipulating everything to take out her political opposition and cement power for herself so she can join the Separatists (perhaps Obi-Wan could be torn between what he has to do to defend the Republic and not wanting to fight against Satine, who he loves; but NOT as a brother..), I'm going to be disappointed.

To me, and clearly most of the older viewers of TCW, the Mandalorian episodes are largely a diversion from most other episodes.  So without a reason to focus on mandalore (aside from selling Pre Viszla figures), I don't see a lot of point in Lucas messing with what was a fairly well fleshed out area of EU.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Jabba the Slug on October 18, 2010, 01:25 PM
First, why did Lucas mess with Mandalore?  I've read all of Karen Traviss' books and think that the backstory she developed fit better with the other EU.

I had read somewhere that Karen Traviss won't be writing anymore "Star Wars" novels because the TCW show's depiction of Mandalore and culture conflicts with the material she had written. Keep in mind her material came first.

I was hoping (not to be sadistic) that Satine would die in last Friday's episode. It'd fit into the episode just fine, IMO, but it would also make way for some possibly better story arcs (a vengeful Obi-Wan, maybe, since he once had a relationship with her). I'm hoping that it turns out she's also a corrupt leader who's been trying to gain power. That would  be epic!
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: JACKOFTRADZE on October 18, 2010, 05:18 PM
I agree that CWs has ruined the whole lore of Mandalore culture that we knew prior. They made them so normal it's sickening. I always thought of them as a cross between Klingon Clans and Marines. A Warrior class culture with the honor and military prowess of the Marines with that well known discipline. Now they are just another planet like Naboo. The Mando armor is just armor. They really took all of the mystique away. They are a culture with goofy head dresses like the Naboo while loving their tainted soft drinks. even the royal guards do not resemble Mandos. There is just no connection other than the name.

This season has been so terrible thus far, I do not see how kids will stay engaged if they continue with the political drama. My DVR did not tape the preview of next weeks episode so I really hope it's better that what we be given since the premiere (The only two episodes I liked so far). I am actually losing interest in the show. I am even shocked at that.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Jayson on October 18, 2010, 05:28 PM
Remember, most of what we're seeing on Mandalore takes place in the capital city of Sundari, which is run by the New Mandalorians. The warrior Mandos are banished to the moon Mandalore's moon, Concordia, which we only got to see briefly last season. I have hope the season will turn around starting next week.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: JACKOFTRADZE on October 18, 2010, 06:02 PM
I have hope the season will turn around starting next week.

Are you saying you find my lack of faith disturb...ahhhkkkkk........
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Post by: Jeff on October 18, 2010, 10:12 PM
I think he's saying that, even though Pre Viszla is a total tool, you need to start cheering for him and his Death Watch pals to bring the 'boom' back to Mandalore.

I loved the Death Watch stuff last season and was hoping they'd pop up as a bigger baddie in this story... but it's been all tainted soda and scooby-doo gang kids so far.  Like Jayson, I'm secretly hoping that next week we find out that Aurra/Death Watch/someone has been setting this all up as some sort of trap.  Back in Season Two, Palps/Dooku told Pre Viszla to have patience and they'd help topple Mandalore to put Death Watch in charge and on the Separtists side... I'd love for all of this to be a means to that end.
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Post by: JACKOFTRADZE on October 18, 2010, 11:09 PM
I am with you but even if these episodes were a buildup they have played around with it for too many episodes. Do the set up in one an move one. At the end of the day it's a cartoon for kids, these episodes will not hold their attention must let adults. I have to find this weeks trailer. I hope it takes off and does not land from here. We are about 33% through the season already they have no more time to waste.
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Post by: Jesse James on October 19, 2010, 01:28 AM
My grandmother was in a home for a while called Concordia.  I saw no Mando's there.

Plop me in the crowd that, after last week's episode especially, I'm really thoroughly bored right now.  I really hope they get their **** together because I love the series and the last two episodes were, to me, almost unbearable.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Jabba the Slug on October 20, 2010, 12:34 AM
The Official Site put up a new preview (http://starwars.com/video/view/001130.html) for the episode. Pretty cool. Aurra Sing in all-black? I have to agree that a repaint is in order.

I haven't thought about the fact that the characters have presumed she was killed when Slave I went down in the Season 2 finale. WE knew she wasn't dead (since she shows up later many times), but everyone else thinks she's dead.
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Post by: Brian on October 20, 2010, 09:44 AM
Nice little preview, and it looks pretty cool - hopefully we'll get a return to that Clone Warsy goodness after the relative snoozefest of the past few weeks (with a few high points).  Aurra Sing is one character that I think has really benefitted from the CW series.  I think they've made her pretty cool, and is maybe another example of a character that could have had an expanded role in one or more of the prequels, instead of some of the other villains that were used/killed/replaced so quickly.  It is always difficult to say though, as a TV series does give a little more opportunity for an extended spotlight, etc.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Scott on October 20, 2010, 09:52 AM

I haven't thought about the fact that the characters have presumed she was killed when Slave I went down in the Season 2 finale. WE knew she wasn't dead (since she shows up later many times), but everyone else thinks she's dead.

The one problem with that though is you don't know where this takes place in the timeline yet...could be pre the crash
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Post by: Jabba the Slug on October 20, 2010, 10:49 PM
No, the preview summary says this (as found on the Official Site):

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She's BACK! Left for dead after her failed gambit at the end of The Clone WarsStar Wars: The Clone Wars -- airing at 9:00 p.m. ET/PT Friday, October 22 on Cartoon Network.

She's back from Hell! :-X

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Post by: McMetal on October 21, 2010, 10:52 AM
Yeah, don't bother sending anyone down to check the wreckage or anything. Jedis R stupid.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Jayson on October 22, 2010, 01:46 PM
I'm looking forward to the new Clone Wars tonight. Aurra is one of the greatest characterizations on the show so it'll be nice to see what torment she puts our heroes through this week.  :)
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Scockery on October 22, 2010, 09:42 PM
I think everything that happened this season took places before the end of season 1. Some stuff that happened last season did, too, not just the Admiral Trench episode, the Boba Fett story and possibly the Mandalore arc, too.

Holocron Heist may be the most recent episode in the time line...or is it Zilla beast? No idea. None. It's a damn mess. They expect kids to follow this? I can't.

Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Jabba the Slug on October 23, 2010, 12:37 AM
The "Assassin" episode was pretty good. Not outstanding (as far as my expectations, I thought the plot would be darker), but cool. Aurra Sing locking herself in the room with Ahsoka and Padme was just bad-ass.

I hate that we have to wait 2 weeks for the next episode!
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: iFett on October 23, 2010, 09:18 AM
Much better - not great, but much better.....
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Jayson on October 23, 2010, 12:49 PM
I thought the use of Leia's theme on Alderaan was a nice touch as well as the nod to Blade Runner for Aurra Sing's eye makeup.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Jeff on October 23, 2010, 10:35 PM
Holocron Heist may be the most recent episode in the time line...or is it Zilla beast? No idea. None. It's a damn mess. They expect kids to follow this? I can't.

Saw this on the official site (http://starwars.com/theclonewars/guide/episode307.html), which clears it up a little bit -

In a chronological flow of events, the series begins with the action on Christophsis ("Cat and Mouse," "The Hidden Enemy"), which introduces Ahsoka to the Clone Wars ("The New Padawan," which was incorporated into feature film). Then, the kidnapping of Rotta the Hutt introduces Ziro the Hutt, and the movie ends with Ziro's incarceration. Many Season One and Season Two episodes then follow, with Season Two's trilogy of Boba Fett episodes introducing Aurra Sing into the storyline. The crashing of the Slave I leads the Jedi to mistakenly believe that Aurra is dead, until she surfaces in this episode, which brings back Ziro -- chronologically -- for the first time since his imprisonment. The story continues in the next Season Three episode, "Evil Plans", and Aurra will somehow be freed from captivity in time for Cad Bane's attack on the Senate in Season One's "Hostage Crisis." The drama surrounding Ziro and his freedom then picks up in "Hunt for Ziro," the ninth episode of this season.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Jabba the Slug on October 24, 2010, 01:20 AM
So it seems that the "Hostage Crisis" episode (Season1 finale) is the latest episode in the TCW timeline thus far, but I'm sure there are other stand-alone episodes that can take place after that.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Jesse James on October 24, 2010, 11:41 PM
I thought this past week's episode was actually pretty good in the sense that it's fleshing out Ahsoka's character, and her growth, and also touching on her negative traits a little bit (a little too over-zealous for a fight it seems).  I enjoyed it from that aspect then.  It had a lot of action, but also a lot of interesting growth to Ahsoka's character in particular.  You can also see how she furthers herself in Anakin's eyes, and could ultimately play a part in his downfall.  She's saved his wife's life now.  Losing her's going to be much more difficult for him the more she becomes a big part of his personal life.  And of course we all know how well he deals with letting go. :)
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: McMetal on October 25, 2010, 11:01 AM
Better, but the time shifting has become confusing to the point of distraction. Even LOST wasn't this all over the place.

Felt like we could have gotten more than "Hondo pulled me out of the wreckage" as far as Aurra's backstory. Is Hondo fireproof too? Because the Slave 1 clearly EXPLODED on impact. I think they would have been better off with the old "thrown from the wreckage" or "jettisoned before impact" excuses.

I'm just waiting for them to have Hondo pull out the Slave 1 from his secret interstellar garage, with only a dented fender.  ::)

I also find some of the technological incongruities baffling. You've mastered faster-than-light travel, but can't design an effective blaster shield? You can create sentient androids but can't security scan a building for intruders? You can't even monitor prisoner visits and conversations?

I know it's a kid focused show, but the writers are just getting lazy.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Jayson on October 25, 2010, 03:21 PM
Found this on twitter today: Ahsoka to get a makeover (http://starwarsfemalefanforce.blogspot.com/2010/10/amy-ahsokas-new-look.html)

I like it.
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Post by: Jesse James on October 25, 2010, 07:04 PM
I like it too, that's cool...  She's what, 15, 16?  She should probably be growing up here...  I dig that they're making sure her headtails grew with the rest of her too.  I've liked her character a lot more than I originally thought I would, so seeing her get a make-over's cool.  Plus I like that she's not got the bikini top thing going on it seems.  I didn't care for that.  Not every alien female is raiding Aayla Secura's wardrobe.

I'd really love a realistic Ahsoka someday...  She's become such an integral part of the CW era, it sort of sucks not having one to put with a CW Ani.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Jabba the Slug on October 26, 2010, 02:24 AM
I wonder if her new makeover is part of some vision she has - what if it revealed/offered a sneak peak into her eventual fate? That'd be pretty cool.

Since TCW episodes have been in mixed order chronologically, I wonder how far ahead the crew is planning to jump. I mean, they've been showing episodes mostly in Star Wars year 22 BBY (Before Battle of Yavin). So I wonder if they're going to go another year into the war (21 BBY), which would explain Ahoska's longer head tails in the picture.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Brian on October 26, 2010, 12:29 PM
I'm in the camp that is enjoying this version of Ahsoka as well, and look forward to when we see this transition (or maybe it is just a future vision or something).  Like Jesse mentioned, she is a character that I've grown to like more as the series has gone on (and I'd also like to see a realistic styled Ahsoka figure as well).

As a side note to the discussion on the current season, I think - aside from the premiere and last week's episode - it has been a little slow/boring so far this year.  I'm still enjoying CW as a whole, and look forward to it each week, but it has sort of dragged since the premiere for me.  I liked last week's episode, mainly because I like the character of Aurra Sing, but the previous 3 (maybe four) were kind of forgettable.  Hopefully we'll ramp up the action and actually see some more Jedi in action (other than Ahsoka).  I think they were starting to cover all the things that many people hated about the prequels - lots of senate, trade routes, and now even school cafeteria action - hopefully they get back to the actiony, OT-feel episdes that have been some of the best of the series the past couple years.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Brian on October 30, 2010, 10:22 AM
I picked up a SW Insider yesterday, and it had some brief previews for the next four episodes of Clone Wars.  The next two possibly have potential, but then the following two sound similar to this "boring trilogy" we had lately with more Padme and senate stuff.  I guess you never know though.

Evil Plans - While on an important shopping trip on Coruscant, C-3PO is kidnapped by Cad Bane in a plot to free Ziro the Hutt.  Can R2 help his counterpart escape in time to warn the Jedi?

Hunt for Ziro - The Hutt Council is after Ziro, but they aren't the only ones.  Will they catch up with him, or can Obi-Wan Kenobi and Quinlan Vos bring him to justice? (Sy Snootles is shown in a preview pic here as well)

Heroes on Both Sides - Padme and Ahsoka travel to Raxus in an attempt to forge a peace agreement with the Seperatists.  As Padme enlists the help of her former mentor, Mina Bonteri, Ahsoka learns some valuable lessons about the realities of war.

Pursuit of Peace - Senators Amidala, Organa, and Farr come under fire after opposing a bill that would appropriate funds for millions of new clone troopers, but cripple the republic.

The description of that last episode reminds me of that episode of the Simpsons where they go see the Phantom Menace (or their version of it) when an AT-AT comes smashing through the senate, then proceeds to discuss appropriations and things like that.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Darby on October 30, 2010, 10:46 AM
There has to be less politics.  There just does, it's not working and the writing on the show isn't capable of making it work. 
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Jabba the Slug on October 30, 2010, 01:29 PM
Oh man, the description of that last episode got me upset. How does the crew expect for little kids to sit through that episode entirely? Why do they make these kind of political episodes - kids just DO NOT care! What makes it worse is that there are no central characters here (by the sound of it), only minor senators.

Even that Padme and Ahsoka episode sounds lackluster, I'm just hoping that they show off Ahsoka's new look here.

And, YES, Quinlan Vos! But I wonder why they keep coming back to Ziro... this is the third time. Doesn't the Republic have more dangerous enemies to track down, like Dooku or Grievous? I'm sure a fat purple slug doesn't pose as much of a threat.

BRING ON SAVAGE OPPRESS, please! :D
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Jeff on October 30, 2010, 10:49 PM
Pursuit of Peace - Senators Amidala, Organa, and Farr come under fire after opposing a bill that would appropriate funds for millions of new clone troopers, but cripple the republic.

The description of that last episode reminds me of that episode of the Simpsons where they go see the Phantom Menace (or their version of it) when an AT-AT comes smashing through the senate, then proceeds to discuss appropriations and things like that.

I think you nailed it there, Brian. :)


There has to be less politics.

Amen.  Someone I know put it pretty well - "Lately, the show has been like tuning into a WWII war documentary about D-Day and then being shown CSPAN-esque footage of the types of things the Congress and Senate were discussing at that time."
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Post by: GrandMoffNick on October 31, 2010, 10:08 AM
oh my god I almost pissed myself  ;D
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Post by: Jayson on November 1, 2010, 01:28 PM
I think this is what happens when George gets too involved with the series.
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Post by: Jesse James on November 1, 2010, 04:08 PM
That's a funny quote and an apt description I think...  Coruscant-SPAN. 
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Jayson on November 2, 2010, 10:27 AM
Vos intro preview (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NH-JuEHbs7s&feature=player_embedded). I suspect Vos fans/fanatics aren't going to like his CW interpretation very much.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Brian on November 2, 2010, 12:10 PM
Vos intro preview (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NH-JuEHbs7s&feature=player_embedded). I suspect Vos fans/fanatics aren't going to like his CW interpretation very much.

I thought the same thing.  Although I'm not super familiar with his EU presence, I know he has a big following, and that clip made him seem a little "duuuuude" to me.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Jabba the Slug on November 3, 2010, 01:48 AM
I thought the same thing.  Although I'm not super familiar with his EU presence, I know he has a big following, and that clip made him seem a little "duuuuude" to me.

I guess that explains why his action figure comes with a surfboard. :-\ Funny how here he's portrayed as a rebel Jedi, but in the comics he's always been played out as a darker Jedi who has a hard time choosing between the Dark Side and Light Side.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Jesse James on November 3, 2010, 02:16 AM
That brief clip didn't really sway me one way or another as to his character...  He's dark, but there is an arrogance about him in the EU.  He's cocky, very overconfident of his abilities.  I could see why Kenobi wouldn't like him, and outside of the war I could see him being something of a show-off and annoying to some Jedi.

Trying to keep in mind that he's not "in the war" like he is in a lot of his EU stories, in that brief clip, then I can see it still working.

If he turns out to be incredibly lame though, that's going to suck.  His character's "dark" because he's undercover as a fallen Jedi a lot of the time...  He is very insubordinate too though.  I think there's hope yet.  Of course, the entire episode could dash all hope I have left too, quite easily.  ::)
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Post by: McMetal on November 3, 2010, 02:45 PM
Ok, for those of us not in the know, what's the quick Cliff Notes Bio on this guy?

Is he a good guy or bad guy - ultimately?

How does he dies?

What was he supposed to be doing during the war, based on the original EU backstory?
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Keonobi on November 3, 2010, 03:00 PM
Ultimately, in my reading, he was a good guy.  He gets sent off to try and convince Dooku that's he's turned to the dark side, but the story goes kind of back and forth about whether he actually went over to the dark side, or if he's really a double agent for Dooku.  Ultimately he ends up on Kashyyyk when he's nearly killed by O66.  He manages to escape the troops trying to kill him, and even fights the Clone Commander personally tasked with killing him.  He manages to escape and eventually meets up with his girlfriend/wife (I can't recall if they marry) and they have a son together.

As far as the war goes, he doesn't get involved in a lot of the front line fighting like Kenobi and Skywalker.  He does a lot of spying stuff.  He commands some troops, but ultimately doesn't like or trust the clones.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: McMetal on November 5, 2010, 10:01 AM
I'm not particularly high on droid hijinks, but tonight's episode could be promising, at least they got Anthony Daniels to handle the voice work.

Once again though, they're back to focusing on characters Hasbro is reluctant to release in the line. First Satine, now Ziro.

I don't get the aversion to Ziro - it's just a repaint of the previously released Jabba sculpt. Throw in another figure or two and you've got a battlepack right there.

Gotta admit, I'm curious to see this Vos dude and how they play that off too.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Jayson on November 5, 2010, 11:36 AM
I don't think Vos is on this week.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: McMetal on November 5, 2010, 07:17 PM
I don't think Vos is on this week.

My bad, I got confused with the recent teaser clip.

Maybe some Todo tonight?
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Darby on November 5, 2010, 09:53 PM
Lots of Todo in a surprisingly well done prequel to the Ziro breakout episode.  What seemed kind of a languid episode (and potentially another political snoozer) was really livened up by nice charatcer turns for Anakin/Padme (like the Ziro ep this precedes in the timeline, the depiction of them as two overwhelmed kids trying to play house utterly puts to shame the movies) and 3-PO and R2.  The other really cool thing


SPOILER


was the introduction of the Hutt family bosses.  Some cool designs and a nice set up for next week.  Here's hoping we've turned a corner.  The writing on the show is very schizo.  About as a schizo as this timeline jumping.  It's ok - not necessary - but as we've seen we will be jumping ahead, so maybe it's more that they are trying to cover some ground they felt was missed before they proceed further into the future (ROTS).
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Jabba the Slug on November 6, 2010, 01:31 AM
I didn't think the episode was great, but it's supposed to be a lead-into next week's more action-packed episode. I'm looking forward to seeing Bane face off against both Obi-Wan and Quilan Vos.

I think Todo's characterization in this episode was great, though, it was funny to hear a small, even cute, little droid like him say how we would personally dismantle R2-D2 plate by plate. We saw an "evil" side to him that we didn't see in his 1st appearance in Season 2. 
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Post by: iFett on November 6, 2010, 11:01 AM
Todo rocked!  Thanks for the memories....   :D
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: JACKOFTRADZE on November 8, 2010, 12:24 PM
While this episode was a improvement enough of the set up stories already. No more Senate woes, no more Padme please! We are 1/3rd through this season and the overall consensus from fans seem to be disappointment. I hope from here on out it's all action, this week's episode looks very promising, I am really looking forward to it.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: McMetal on November 8, 2010, 01:38 PM
Meh, I prefer to think of it as Adam P mentioned this morning, as a better-than-average episode of Droids, rather than a below average episode of TCW.

The Hutts were by far the best thing out of the episode. I really liked the non-morbidly obese one in particular.

I enjoy Todo in principle, but Seth always sounds too much like Seth to me. And after seeing him in action again, I can already tell I am going to be disappointed that the figure's legs won't combine to form the uni-wheel.  :(  That would have been wicked cool.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Jayson on November 8, 2010, 03:00 PM
And after seeing him in action again, I can already tell I am going to be disappointed that the figure's legs won't combine to form the uni-wheel.  :(  That would have been wicked cool.

Congrats, you just gave Hasbro another figure to retool and re-release in 6 mo.  ;D
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Jabba the Slug on November 9, 2010, 01:06 AM
I went to Borders and read through the latest 'Insider' magazine, and saw the page that previews the next few episodes, as someone above mentioned.

The episode after the "Hunt for Ziro" episode will debut Ahsoka's new look, new costume and longer headtails. So I'm guessing that maybe all the episodes we've seen to date in Season 3 have been in the "past", while this particular episode with the "new" Ahsoka finally jumps forward and starts a new timeline within the Clone Wars.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: JACKOFTRADZE on November 9, 2010, 12:45 PM
I hope so, it makes sense if that the way it pans out but they really should have placed dates to make "past" episodes more apparent. I have only watched a very select few episodes more than once so I need a reminder on a few of these story lines.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Jabba the Slug on November 10, 2010, 01:46 AM
The Official Site (http://starwars.com/darthmaulsecrets/index.html) is accepting RSVPs for free theatrical private screenings of something Savage Opress-related... I'm really hooked now.

Apparently the screening offers an in-depth look at Darth Maul's entire story from beginning to end, and being that there's barely any story, there's so much ground the crew has potential to cover. I immediately tried to RSVP, but apparently someone already has the same username and email. Hmm. Very suspicious...
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: McMetal on November 10, 2010, 10:00 AM
Very cool, but I'm not driving all the way to D.C. just for a 10 minute sneak peek, or whatever it likely will be.

Hope they tread carefully with any backstory, sometimes it's cooler the LESS you know about a character. (ahem, Boba Fett)
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: JACKOFTRADZE on November 10, 2010, 02:51 PM
Hope they tread carefully with any backstory, sometimes it's cooler the LESS you know about a character. (ahem, Boba Fett)

Bingo! That's what use to make Boba Fett cool.

I caught up on Wookiepedia to get squared away on the time line debacle. I did not realize that everything we have seen thus far has been past events. This season has not only been disappointing thus far, its been confusing too. They need to add star dates in the beginning of each episode so we know where we are in the stories time line.

So who thinks Vo will go Ninja Turtles on his surf board in this weeks episode?
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Jabba the Slug on November 10, 2010, 05:53 PM
So who thinks Vo will go Ninja Turtles on his surf board in this weeks episode?

Oh gosh, that's exactly what the preview and action figure have been making him out to be thus far.

I wonder if Filoni takes any look at the character backstories before going ahead and smashing them down. Because that's exactly what's been happening so far.

The Savage episode, according to the RSVP site, will air January 7th. So I'm guessing that's when the show will finally pick up.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Jesse James on November 10, 2010, 08:45 PM
The Yahoo! video promoted on the front page is pretty cool...  :)  Totally worth checking out.

I've still not watched last week's episode so I'm ignoring the thread till I get the chance.  Savage Opress seems a lot cooler after this video though.  A real, well, savage guy. 

And Clone Commandoes...  finally.  They've only been in the war since the first day of it.  ::)  Nice to see them getting screen time.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Jabba the Slug on November 11, 2010, 01:15 AM
Holy...crap...!
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Brian on November 11, 2010, 10:23 AM
Have to admit, that Yahoo preview does make Opress look pretty cool.  I wonder how far out that episode(s) is with Lucasfilm promoting it in a fairly significant way.  I guess I didn't even realize he would be using an actual lightsaber and training as a Sith.  You can definitely see that Lucasfilm was thinking "Man, Darth Maul really was a cool character, we shouldn't have offed him so quickly", and is trying to make up for it a bit with this.  I hope it turns out good, looking forward to seeing it.  With the way some of this season has been, Opress will probably be a "Senator in disguise" :). 
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Jeff on November 11, 2010, 10:30 AM
I wonder how far out that episode(s) is with Lucasfilm promoting it in a fairly significant way. 

Like the Slug said in his post, the info from LFL says that the Savage episode-arc should start on January 7th, the first batch of new episodes after the holiday break...

The Savage episode, according to the RSVP site, will air January 7th.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Brian on November 11, 2010, 02:19 PM
I wonder how far out that episode(s) is with Lucasfilm promoting it in a fairly significant way. 

Like the Slug said in his post, the info from LFL says that the Savage episode-arc should start on January 7th, the first batch of new episodes after the holiday break...

The Savage episode, according to the RSVP site, will air January 7th.

Oops, yeah I missed that, sorry.  Thanks for the info, looking forward to it.  I'm guessing we'll be coming up on a break sometime in December, I think we usually have a short lull without new episodes and possibly this one would be the "return" episode in January.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: EpicGon on November 11, 2010, 03:46 PM
Savage Opress as Dooku´s apprentice should show an agressive fencing style, and as a refresh of Maul, skills in martial arts. He could be highly potentiated if in some scenes appears to be trained by Darth Sidious.

He looks like Darth Maul in armor, perhaps with sith devices to confront the Jedi (gas bombs, darts, knives, etc)

Something in the spot, made me think he will not reach the full potential of a sith (not over the top as Starkiller from TFU)
due to the tension between him and his mentor. Dooku shows disgust with his training and punishes him with force lighting ( a power Opress like Maul coudn´t have mastered).
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: JACKOFTRADZE on November 11, 2010, 04:08 PM
This weeks episode is looking very promising:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bGQq2Dt9J1E&feature=player_embedded

And the Opress episodes also look pretty good. It finally looks like this season may pick up in the action department.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Jabba the Slug on November 12, 2010, 02:45 AM
I wonder how Opress will exit the show (I'm guessing he's gonna die, or else he would have made a big stir in ROTS - not that he existed when it was made, anyway). And I wonder also how Asajj ties into this whole arc - maybe she and Opress are competing for the title of Dooku's apprentice.

Hopefully Dooku's evil Sithy side will be explored in these episodes, because we always see him calm in the movies.

I'm glad they gave him a lightsaber - it also establishes him as a Sith-in-training, I thought he would just be an assassin for the Separatists. I thought the axe was cool, but I wanted to see him more of an extention of Maul. The double-bladed lightsaber definitely gives him more of an edge.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: McMetal on November 12, 2010, 04:09 PM
All I know is...Sy Snootles tonight!  :D

Habsro better be working on that sclupt already...
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: JACKOFTRADZE on November 13, 2010, 11:09 AM
Great episode last night, they did a great job on Vos. I really enjoyed it and liked how they show his powers. My only disappointment was seeing next weeks episode is a Padme one.... :'(
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: speedermike on November 13, 2010, 01:04 PM
A Padme episode with action is fine...

But "Hunt for Ziro" was awesome.  Pure craziness in the best SW fashion.  I really like this show, but I would love it to death if it was always this wild.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Jabba the Slug on November 13, 2010, 01:53 PM
I was really surprised by this episode! The action was great, too! The 3-way fight was entertaining, and, now, whereas I never even had a second thought for Sy Snootles when seeing her in ROTJ, she's definitely earned my support as a Star Wars character.

I'm looking forward to seeing Ahsoka's new outfit next week.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Scockery on November 13, 2010, 05:37 PM
Well, now Hasbro has a reason not to make Ziro.

Weird thing happened, too...there was a clone in the episode...only briefly. Maybe as the season progresses we'll learn more about the clones and how they tie into the war named after them.  ;)
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: iFett on November 13, 2010, 05:38 PM
I really enjoyed last night's episode.  Seeing the Hutts was very cool and Sy Snootles & Ziro seemed like a complete winner as a BP until he .......  Great fight sequence too at the end with Kenobi, Voss, Bane, Todo.  Hope next week isn't another political snoozefest....
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Scockery on November 13, 2010, 09:45 PM
Others noticed, as I did, the musical number was an homage to "Anything Goes" from Temple of Doom.

I noticed from that yahoo clip Obi-Wan will sport his less armored look in the Oppress episode (or sooner). Meaning his new action figure will hit about the right time.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Jabba the Slug on November 14, 2010, 03:14 AM
I noticed from that yahoo clip Obi-Wan will sport his less armored look in the Oppress episode (or sooner). Meaning his new action figure will hit about the right time.

And, unfortunately, we don't get Savage until a lot later (as Hasbro said). :(

Hopefully that gives them enough time to make him SA. I hope they give him articulated ankles and a cloth skirt, unlike most TCW figures made. I also hope he gets both the axe and lightsaber.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: EpicGon on November 14, 2010, 02:56 PM
Hunt for Ziro: This chapter presented the most variations of hutt heads we can see. There was a Hutt gangster whose head resembled Wat Tambors´; he spotted more profile, a nose and a head, Rapa Nui style.

The mother of Ziro was monstrous, an anti female character due to her voice and likeness.

Ziro was depicted kinda hermaphrodite, and his voice sounded between female and male, ambiguous.
About his head, it always was a Truman Capote derivation

Perhaps Ziro has represented the most update job on tattoos for a Hutt. If Lucasfilm wants to customize these aliens, it would be convinient to depict them with curious robes, like vests, hats.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Jesse James on November 15, 2010, 01:54 AM
I got to watch the last two episodes...  I enjoyed both of them immensely. 

I thought the episode setting up Hostage Crisis was great though.  That 3PO/R2 had some level of importance to the story before we got to see it all was nice.  I liked the torture of the droids too, and the streets where all the junk was being sold, guys were out just drinking and passing out, just buying some fruit you can get scammed...

Then in the midst of it all was a droid massage parlor...  I thought R2's scomp link was gonna pop out and he'd kick in the extra $5 for the happy ending.

TODO was a little sadistic bastard too...  I didn't care for him in Holocron Heist, actually, but I gained a new appreciation for him in this last couple of episodes.  He's really just an obnoxious little evil machine, and loyal to Bane.

I thought the action, while centered on the droids, was still good though, and again I loved the city streets and all the aliens and droids.  Pretty slick.

I liked this week's episode as well...  ALl the Hutt's were cool to see.  I liked that the Hutt's had some kind of obvious ganster film references there too, like one seemingly modeled after The Godfather, one seemingly after "Al Capone" type mob boss stereotypes...  It was cool.  Weird and funny, but pretty cool.

I also thought Vos was pulled off well.  I didn't get a, "Hey dude!" vibe off him at all, and more that he's being treated at elast somewhat like his EU character.  Kind of bad, unruly, and not "traditional".  If Qu-Gon was defiant, Vos is all but on the cusp of being thrown out, ya know?

And Sy Snootles...  That was really awesome I thought.  She was a great character.  I'd be just as happy not to see her again, but I thought she really was a neat character for them to slip into the story some.  Then for her to do what she did...  I really was actually surprised by that turn of events. 

These were 2 much-needed episodes after all the political BS that went on for some episodes.  I'm glad they redeemed themselves, at least so far. :)
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Jayson on November 15, 2010, 07:22 AM
A couple of the Jabba head looked to be modeled after concept art for ANH and ROTJ Jabba as well.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: McMetal on November 15, 2010, 09:53 AM
Thoroughly enjoyable episode on most accounts, for sure. LOVED seeing the Hutt homeworld. (Anyone catch the proper spelling?) It was exactly like what I would have envisioned.

Vos came across as pretty cool, admittedly I knew practically nothing about the guy, but they seemed to pull him off pretty well. I thought it was cool that he had a mastery of psychometry, as this is a talent we have never seen associated with the force before, to my knowledge. Where was his funky snowboard though?

Was there any reference to Ziro's father? Is he dead? The Mother was an absolute abomination, thoroughly disgusting..the creeping parasites were over the top! I'm already sad we will never get that as a figure.

Was really surprised they offed Ziro. Hasbro now has a convenient excuse NOT to make this guy, although it seems everyone wants him. Then again, it didn't stop them from making Echo, or whoever the clone was that Bane killed. It's such an easy repaint too...c'mon!

What I didn't like? More of the same that had bugged me previously.

1) Cad Bane should not be able to hold his own against 2 Jedi, PERIOD. I don't care what kind of funky weaponry or little tricks he whips out, he should have been carved up in about 10 seconds. Darth Maul was insanely more of a bad-ass and he couldn't fend off 2 Jedi. Jango went down like a house of cards. Even Dooku bit the big one going up against 2 Jedi (ok, not at first, but by the next movie). I get that they want to pump Bane up and make him seem all invincible, but they really go overboard IMO.

2) Voices, voices, voices. I guess they are just never going to give up giving ethnically, culturally inappropriate voices to characters in Star Wars, no matter how outlandish or offensive they come off. I really think this is the worst of the franchise...it's cheap and tacky. ALL the other Hutts speak Huttese, but they decide to have the mother speak English?!?! With the voice of a 300 pound black woman? Seriously? And they go out of their way to give Ziro the most effeminately gay voice possible, but then we're supposed to believe he had some relationship with an alien female? Yeah, right...real ladies man there.  They just need to stop lifting accents from Planet Earth, and maybe work on creating some actually innovative linguistic patterns. Just drives me crazy for some reason. Jewish Watto, Asian Gunray, Jamaican Jar-Jar? Let it end!!!
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Jesse James on November 15, 2010, 04:47 PM
I disagree on Bane not holding his own against Jedi...  If he couldn't, what threat is he?  What's the point of the character.

Star Wars has established through the films that some guys can, and some guys can't.  Zam Wessel, for instance, couldn't.  She just ran and couldn't get away even.  Jango, however, could hold his own against Obi-Wan pretty well...  And the Arena was outside circumstances that probably did him in.

Also it established that the "gadgets" are, at least at times, the equalizers for the truly good Bounty Hunters...  Cad Bane seems to fall under the Jango classification, and not the Zam one.  He's able to make his escape and defend himself well enough...

When he picked up Vos' saber though, they even made sure to show how quickly he COULDN"T keep up.  He lost it on the first strike.  He also was losing pretty badly, he just managed to get that shocking thing going, which seems to be a neat little anti-Jedi trick on his gauntlets...  He really wasn't doing well though, and just wanted to escape.  He managed to, but not by much. 

I really felt that was JUSt the right ammount of Bane holding his own with the Jedi. 

Against a weak Jedi, he'd maybe off them.  Against Kenobi he can at least get away.  Against maybe Mace Windu...  his head may be rolling around the floor too then?

Qui-Gon said of Jedi being invincible, "I wish that were true".
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Jabba the Slug on November 15, 2010, 07:24 PM
I'm glad Bane lost the lightsaber pretty quickly. Just like Cato did in the Season 2 premiere. As soon as I saw that clip in the Season 3 trailer I was already rolling my eyes.

Did they Vos justice, which I'm glad of. I wonder how Hasbro thought of a jetboard for the figure. But at least it's an extra accessory.

Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Jayson on November 15, 2010, 07:37 PM
My guess is that we'll see more of Vos with hoverboard in tow. Or it will be just one of those things that Hasbro produced based on preproduction art only for it to have ended on the cutting room floor.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Brian on November 16, 2010, 01:33 PM
I'm a little late, but I really enjoyed "Hunt for Ziro" as well.  All the Hutts were weird and cool, and I liked the Sy Snootles/OT tie there as well.  Also, put me down for hoping we get some Gamorrean Guards in the Clone Wars line as well now :).  I thought Vos was pretty cool too, and I hope we get more episodes like this going forward.  Enough poisoned tea and political intrigue, more lightsaberin' and warrin'.  The last two have both been winners though.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: JACKOFTRADZE on November 16, 2010, 03:47 PM
Enough poisoned tea and political intrigue, more lightsaberin' and warrin'.  The last two have both been winners though.

Amen to that brother!
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Jabba the Slug on November 17, 2010, 12:56 AM
As it turns out, everyone's getting a new costume look. (http://starwars.com/theclonewars/newcharacterlooks/index.html) And Ahsoka's getting 2 lightsabers now! That part surprised me a bit.

I'm expecting to see a figure based off of every one of these outfits soon, Hasbro. :D I wonder why Obi-Wan is the first, wouldn't it make more sense just to include them all in the same wave?
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: McMetal on November 17, 2010, 11:06 AM
Saw that too...I honestly don't see any difference in Anakin's costume, but whateves. Wish they had shown Asajj 2.0 as well.

Are Ahsoka's lightsabers the same length or is there one long one and one short one? That would be kinda cool if they were really different lengths.

On a related note, that WIRED article about this topic that RS has linked on their front page is utterly asinine. There is nothing remotely inappropriate about Ahsoka's current costume, no one thinks that tube top is too sexy or revealing. She's like 14 for cripe's sake! If you're getting aroused by THAT, the problem is on you, not the animators.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Jayson on November 17, 2010, 12:27 PM
Saw that too...I honestly don't see any difference in Anakin's costume, but whateves.

Are Ahsoka's lightsabers the same length or is there one long one and one short one? That would be kinda cool if they were really different lengths.

The most obvious change is the omission of the shoulder and upper torso armor plating.

If you watch the video (http://starwars.com/video/view/001152.html), you'll see they are clearly 2 different lengths  ;)
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Jabba the Slug on November 17, 2010, 09:15 PM
Wow, I wonder why the went with 2 different saber lengths for Ahsoka. It's cool, though, I guess, because I was wondering why they would give her an extra saber so suddenly in the first place.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: McMetal on November 19, 2010, 10:06 PM
Crap, all that hype and we never even got to see her new sabers! Love the new look on Ahsoka though, that will make for one spiffy new figure.

I wonder how hard it would actually be to produce those transforming Infiltrator Droids in the animated line. Because those would make for a pretty slick BattlePack.

Can't even comment on the stories anymore...bank de-regulations? Seriously? They absolutely have to be screwing with us intentionally with this stuff.

Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Jayson on November 19, 2010, 10:12 PM
Another weekly Clone Wars suck fest. This is making TPM look good.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Darby on November 20, 2010, 10:44 AM
I have to (oddly) disagree with last night.  I thought compared to the other political/Mandolorian episodes this season it was well written and pretty complex for kids.  The problem is it comes on the heels of all this other boring junk.  If this had been the only one of this kind of story (and really it should be, the series is repeating itself) I think the reaction to it would be kinder.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Brian on November 20, 2010, 11:02 AM
Yeah, another bit of a snoozer last night.  I do agree with Darby though, it wasn't necessarily a bad episode if it was the only one like this of the season.  Then I don't think you'd see nearly as many complaints.  The problem is, half of the season seems to be stuff like this.  I was going through our DVR and looking at the CW episodes on there, and instead of saving them all to watch again I was going through and thinking "do I really need to watch this one again?".  There are some episodes I really enjoyed - just as much as previous seasons - but a lot of boring type stuff this year it seems.  As a side note, I like the new look for Ahsoka/Anakin.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Scockery on November 20, 2010, 01:46 PM
On a related note, that WIRED article about this topic that RS has linked on their front page is utterly asinine.

The article didn't mention it's not just a costume change, she's aged, her lekku are longer. Maybe she's grown taller (?) too.

In 2 weeks on The Padme Show, her life is in danger and another vote fails. Seriously, this is getting absurd. They aren't gonna make senate Padme, Bail Organa or Lott Dodd (the main villain for this season! HA!) action figures.

I liked the power generator room massacre. What a battle pack that would be. It would never happen.

The Seperatists have a parliment?
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Darby on November 20, 2010, 01:49 PM
I like the new looks too.  Just throwing them out there in the middle of a season, especially in such a humdrum episode, seems odd.  The stragtegy this year so far seems to really be on fleshing out backstories to episodes we've already seen, as well as trying to paint a deeper picture of the war.  You have to admire that, considering that's it's a cartoon.  The episode last night, as with the Kamino episodes, paint the war and the Republic in fairly negative light.  the problem is that the writing is too often repetitive and clumsy.  Say what you want to say, but say it and then don't keep repeating it (literally = "Corruption!").  Let's see it and let's see some variety.  

Next week (or 2 weeks I guess) continues this strategy, apparently linking up Senate Murders.  One hopes after Darth Maul: The Sequel, there's no looking back.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Jabba the Slug on November 20, 2010, 03:00 PM
I think part of the reason for these otherwise dull episodes is to show that the Republic isn't 100% good. I mean, think back to Seasons 1 and 2. How many times have the Separatists won a battle? In fact, the Republic was always the top-dog and always got the praise in the end. But the crew is trying to do the opposite in a bad, unengaging way.

I didn't think this episode was ALL bad, but this material is making me doubt if I really want to buy the DVD when it comes out - probably only for the Savage episodes.

And did anyone else notice that little hint at romance between Ahsoka and that other kid? What a great way to mature her character! She's defnitely a reflection of Anakin's personality!
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Jabba the Slug on November 20, 2010, 04:20 PM
Here's a preview (http://www.cartoonnetwork.com/tv_shows/starwars/index.html) for the next episode, titled "Pursuit of Peace" - featuring senators doing what they do best! Politics! :-[

A political episode in which someone tries to kill Padme? We've never seen an episode like that before... ::)
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: tmanthegreat on November 21, 2010, 11:54 AM
I rather liked this past episode in the sense that it explored "the other side" of the conflict and that is something that this show and the Star Wars saga in general really never delved into.  Even in the original films, everything is portrayed in black-and-white terms (good guys on one side, bad guys on the other) while in any conflict that is never the case.  (Any academic historian of good repute will tell you that, lol.) 

There are good honest beings fighting for the Separatist cause, just as there are for the Republic.  This episode seemed to handle that fact in a simple and touching manner, yet still highlight the deviousness of the Sith in playing everyone off against one another to achieve their ultimate aim of control.  There may not have been any lightsaber fights or space battles, but I still found this episode entertaining, even if on a mature level.

I also like the ROTS-style Anakin more mature-looking Asoka ;)
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Jesse James on November 22, 2010, 02:02 AM
I agree, and I really enjoyed this Friday's episode...  I really disagree with the negative sentiments towards it. 

I thought there was a bit of action, and the political storyline directly involved the war, in a major way.  I found it interesting too that Padme basically signed her friend's death sentence too it seemed.  But yeah, I thought there was a little action there, some intrigue, and interesting new characters and exploration of the opposing POV. 

I liked the droids they introduced a lot.  They'd make interesting toys, especially if they had any remote possibility of "transforming" too.

Either way though, I thought it was a really great episode...  Had they limited the previous politic-based episodes to one, and added this one on at the end of it (that Mandalore story-arc was just attrocious), they'd have done a lot better I think.

Didn't catch next preview so I'll have to watch it, but for Friday's, I was actually pleasantly surprised.  Maybe I just anticipated something sub-par?
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Scott on November 22, 2010, 10:43 AM
I too am on the like it side...but I think a lot of the griping is warranted.  But, please note that there is only so many stories to tell about this time period without affecting the movie continuity (Anakin's Padawan withstanding)

Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: McMetal on November 22, 2010, 04:32 PM
I think there are plenty of "gaps" they could continue to fill in for several seasons. They haven't even touched on the early construction of the Death Star...they would be a fascinating arc, IMO.

And I've still never heard a satisfactory explantion of who Cypher Diaz is or how the heck that fits into the whole backstory.

And how about a prequel glimpse at a young Han Solo? They could really mine that for fodder.

Lots of interesting stories out there that do not involve Senate debates or Padme in any way. Just sayin'
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Jesse James on November 22, 2010, 09:25 PM
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And how about a prequel glimpse at a young Han Solo? They could really mine that for fodder.

I couldn't wish for this any less than I do now.

There'a already an insane ammount of tie-ins...  I like to think Han's nowhere near any of this, living his life, and rather they didn't touch on his whereabouts at all.  If they do, he'll have some run-in with Ahsoka or Anakin, or Padme...  Yeah I can live without all that.

As it is, I wasn't pleased to see Chewbacca so close to Yoda, when all the while he's talking smack on Obi-Wan in A New HOpe as just some kind of crazy old coot (his actual dialogue even has him calling Obi-Wan crazy or whatever...  yet he has Yoda riding on his back in ROTS).

Less OT.  Boba Fett, Sy Snootles, Jabba, Mon Mothma, Greedo...  I'm pretty happy to NOT have more OT squeezed into the series for the simple sake of squeezing OT into the series as nothing short of a fan-wank.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: McMetal on November 22, 2010, 10:50 PM
Ha ha...fair enough, how bout some Grievous backstory then?

Heck, bring back Durge for another go around.

I just think there is so much out there that we don't need the filler we have gotten recently.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Jabba the Slug on November 23, 2010, 12:51 AM
Heck, bring back Durge for another go around.

Kill Cad Bane and make way for Durge! I'm serious!

The show's getting longer and longer, and without Durge, that just makes a long timeframe without his presence. I wonder if he'll be introduced in Season 4 as the next "big threat."
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Jesse James on November 23, 2010, 02:19 AM
I'm all for that...  Backstory on Grievous, bring in Durge...  I'd go for either. :)

I don't even think Bane needs offed at all...  He's a merc and all, so he could survive it all and just move on into the future.  I could see Grievous having a little meeting with all the trash they've hired (throw in new guys even, and some oldies but goodies) sending out the "thugs" to the various fronts.  Durge to Muunilist, maybe some other hunters elsewhere to do Jedi killing...  It'd be kind of neat.

I think that Mandalore softdrink storyline was the epitome of lame though, so I agree, but I really thought last week's episode added to the overall story of the Clone Wars.  I was watching the commentary from Filoni and I agreed with his sentiments on last week's episode opening up the thoughts that not everyone is bad, even on the Separatist side.

War's filled with good and evil on both sides...  It's never black and white.  That episode touched on that a little bit.  It went starkly against Lucas' normal routine of "good guys wear white, bad guys wear black", and that it's rarely different to that in Star Wars...  The "reality" (for lack of a better term) is that it is very different to that.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Jayson on November 23, 2010, 09:50 AM
Cad Bane was initially going to be Durge but George had different ideas:

Filoni regarding Durge (http://boards.theforce.net/live_action_clone_wars_classics/b10467/29962440/p1/):

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IGN: The season finale ["Hostage Crisis"] had the great introduction of Cad Bane. How did that character come to be?

Filoni: Well, Henry and I were working on a new bounty hunter. We thought at first maybe we'd bring Durge into the series and we were exploring how that might work or not. And then we decided to go with a totally new guy and I started to do some sketches and Henry had an outline. We talked about it with George and George said, "Well, I have a bounty hunter I'd like to use called Cad Bane." George described this character that was kind of a Lee Van Cleef spin, with a cowboy hat and holsters. I did some quick sketches and talking to [designer] Kilian Plunkett and that's really how Cad Bane got formed. There's always that old west feeling to Star Wars, especially in the cantina and with Han Solo. And I always thought of Boba Fett as kind of your Clint Eastwood type character, so I guess this is the opposite. This is the Lee Van Cleef parallel. It makes for some interesting stories there in the future, when I think of Cad Bane and where he could go as a character.

IGN: When it comes to Durge, do you think at some point you'll revisit him?

Filoni: I don't know. It's hard to say. As we've gone on with this, George seemed to have a ton of his ideas that he wants to see and Durge isn't something that has ever really seemed to be something that's been on his radar, so it's hard to say. Especially now that we have Cad Bane and Aurra Sing. Lately actually, we've tried to create more new characters and new alien races. I mean, originally, we wanted to do Rodians and the Aqualish things that we knew, but then you quickly realize that we have to fill the galaxy with more interesting aliens that we haven't seen before, because otherwise we're using Rodians all of the time. You have to be careful.

Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: McMetal on November 23, 2010, 12:49 PM
LOL..."more interesting aliens" = Egyptian Lizard People?

Is Filoni aware there are something like 200 different species in the OT movies alone?

Just in the Cantina scene alone, there are dozens of species who have yet to get any play in the animated realm. If you're running out of ideas already, you're just not trying.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Jesse James on November 23, 2010, 04:04 PM
I have to disagree again, and go with Filoni...

I think his point expands to movie aliens overall.  You can only show movie aliens so much before it looks like all the SW galaxy is made up of, is aliens we saw.  In a galaxy of "a million million worlds" (Lucas' explanation of the SW galaxy's vastness), you're going to see a LOT more aliens not in the movies than the ones you do see in the movies.  As it is, I thought we saw too few new species in the Prequals. 

So I see where Filoni's coming from there.  The lizard guys were fine...  I liked the fishy Senator guy from the Droids episode, and the street vendor.  Then there's the DJ in the Hunt for Ziro...  You should though, in theory, see a lot more aliens we've never seen than constantly see the ones we've already seen time and again (ROdians, Ithorians, etc.).

I do think some more from the Cantina should show up, but they've snuck them in too...  Gotals have shown up now for instance.  Quarren have made their appearance...  Hell, we've seen Rodians, Quarrens, Mon Calamari, Nikto (but not green Nikto, which would be nice), Weequay, Gotals, Gammoreans, Twi'Leks, Ithorians, Aqualish, Duros, Muftak's crew (though not Muftak's crew out in the galaxy), Jawas, Hutts...

And that's not even getting into Prequal aliens we've seen like Baron Papanoida's species and such.

Making up their own species to avoid redundancy on the show, but also with the films, seems like a pretty good idea I think.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: iFett on November 25, 2010, 08:47 PM
More animated political nonsense jibberish?  Really?   I hope this show tanks (seriously).....Dug the new Jedi outfits though.  Viva la ya....
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: McMetal on December 3, 2010, 09:31 AM
"Senators Padmé Amidala, Bail Organa and Onaconda Farr attempt to rally the senate against a bill that would appropriate funds for millions of new clone troops – with disastrous financial consequences for the Republic."


 ::)  ::)  ::)

Not only boring as dirt, it's boring and repetitive. Haven't we seen this already? Like 2 or 3 times now? This exact debate?

On the plus side, Robonino is back tonight too!
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Scott on December 3, 2010, 09:58 PM
Tonight might have been the worst episode of all 3 seasons so far...agreeing with McMetal...how many times can they have the exact same show.  And you mean to tell me that the planetary economies are so bad that they can't even have lights at night without help from the republic.  It was insulting to everyone who watched it...
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Jeff on December 3, 2010, 10:26 PM
Padme: "Don't they realize that the war is costing our people health care and education and..."

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.

If I wanted to watch someone bitching about the cost of education and health care, I'd watch the CSPAN.   ::)

I can't wait for the upcoming episode where Anakin, R2, and 3PO are troubleshooting the "PC Load Letter" error on the Jedi Temple printer.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Jabba the Slug on December 4, 2010, 01:55 AM
It's funny, if you go to the Official Site and watch the episode commentary, Filoni at one point sorta does an eye roll and says along the lines (in regards to the speeder chase in the episode), "There are fans who don't always want to watch political speeches, they want a little zip in their Star Wars."

Is he calling out all those who are tired of the political episodes? Hasn't at least one person in Filoni's gang heard how suckish the season has been so far? The speeder chase in the episode was just terrible... there was nothing over-exciting about it, particularly because there weren't any other speeders flying around or any people walking the streets.

I bet their excuse for these episodes is that they're some sort of filler until the "true" season starts in January, with the intro to Savage Opress. If there's even one more episode in between the Savage arc, I'm going to get real upset with this show...
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Scockery on December 4, 2010, 10:17 AM
I liked Robonino's partner. One of the better new alien designs.

I like how they admit that Padme's elaborate hairstyles are just wigs.

The ending...what was up with that? I'm starting to think Palpatine might be a bad guy.  :P

They really need to make the Coruscant robot cops as figures. Not that they'll have anyone to protect besides Padme.

I'd like to know how Kamino went from a "lost" world outside the Republic, to having a place on the senate. "Oh, yeah, we grew the clones here. And now they are part of the Republic. THIS IS NOT SUSPICIOUS TO ANYONE."
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: 501ST on December 4, 2010, 10:48 AM
Tonight might have been the worst episode of all 3 seasons so far...agreeing with McMetal...

how many times can they have the exact same show

And you mean to tell me that the planetary economies are so bad that they can't even have lights at night without help from the republic. 

It was insulting to everyone who watched it...

THIS and THIS!!!!!
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Jayson on December 4, 2010, 05:40 PM
Padme: "Don't they realize that the war is costing our people health care and education and..."

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.

If I wanted to watch someone bitching about the cost of education and health care, I'd watch the CSPAN.   ::)

I can't wait for the upcoming episode where Anakin, R2, and 3PO are troubleshooting the "PC Load Letter" error on the Jedi Temple printer.

PC load letter? What the **** does that mean?  :D
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Scockery on December 4, 2010, 11:50 PM
CLONE WARS EPISODE 61:

"RISE OF THE SENATORS"

THE TAXATION OF SCHOOL LUNCHES IS IN DISPUTE.
THE VICE-CHAIRPERSON OF THE SENATE COUNCIL ON EDUCATION SENDS 2 JEDI TO INVESTIGATE.

Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Pete_Fett on December 5, 2010, 01:32 PM
CLONE WARS EPISODE 61:

"RISE OF THE SENATORS"

THE TAXATION OF SCHOOL LUNCHES IS IN DISPUTE.
THE VICE-CHAIRPERSON OF THE SENATE COUNCIL ON EDUCATION SENDS 2 JEDI TO INVESTIGATE.



Even better....

THE VICE-CHAIRPERSON OF THE SENATE COUNCIL ON EDUCATION SENDS JEDI PADAWN ZETT JUKASSA WITHOUT HIS LIGHTSABER TO PEACEFULLY INVESTIGATE AND TO ATTEND SOME COURSES ON REPUBLIC POLITICS.


I'm sorry, but this past Friday's episode was awful.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Jesse James on December 6, 2010, 02:23 AM
It wasn't great...  I agree with McMetal though that Robonino's partner was pretty cool.  I'd dig picking a figure of him up sometime if they made him, which they will not.

He reminded me of one of the species from Knightso fthe Old Republic, and I'm wondering if he actually was intended to be that species.  The similarities seemed vast. 

That said, yeah...  I don't quite grasp the fascination with the Senate at this point.  I don't think this was teh wrost episode.  This was miles superior, to me anyway, than all 3 episodes revolving around the lame assed tainted drinks and Mandalore.  At this point, I wish Mandalore was wiped off the galactic map.  It's attrocious for stories anymore.

But this episode was pretty ******, and some of the finer points made (Kaminoans having a spot on the senate but being fairly unknown till now, and the whole "this is insulting to all who watched it") are pretty solid statements.  I can't argue with any of it.  The toon's best formula is always the war's focus/combat...  Or having Bounty Hunters effectively assassinate senators without getting into the C-Span stuff.

Landing at Point Rain is their benchmark to me.  They've never come anywhere near that except some of the battles in the movie.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: McMetal on December 6, 2010, 10:06 AM
It wasn't great...  I agree with McMetal though that Robonino's partner was pretty cool.  I'd dig picking a figure of him up sometime if they made him, which they will not.

He reminded me of one of the species from Knights of the Old Republic, and I'm wondering if he actually was intended to be that species.  The similarities seemed vast. 

Yep, his name is Chata Hyoki and he is indeed a Selkath. Good catch.

I think he would make an outstanding figure too, and I do think this could happen. Hey, if they can do Seripas they can do this guy. Plus you've got the whole cross-property appeal of the video game stuff. (Marketing synergy, as the suits would say)

RE the show:

the two most interesting things to me were the final scene with Palpatine and the reference to Mina Bonteri's death on Raxus.

hey Galactic Senators - ever heard of bodyguards? WTF? You people just stroll around town with no security? You deserve to be beaten!

I don't see how Hasbro can keep claiming TCW is strictly a kid's line when the show is obviously not being aimed at kids anymore. LFL has to be pushing those storylines...I can't see any other explanation.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: iFett on December 6, 2010, 10:21 AM
This episode wasn't as bad as some of the other political ones, but I'm not getting a CLONE WARS type vibe out of this show anymore.  Are there other animated kids shows out there this fully devoted to tainted school lunches, health care, education, and interest rates?  

For those of you with kids who regularly watch - do they have any interest in these types of episodes?
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: JACKOFTRADZE on December 6, 2010, 11:17 AM
I watched this episode last night and wanted to comment (rant) about it here but my internet was down for five hours. I am happy to see that everyone else saw what I did - total garbage and personal political views of the writer infiltrating SWs. That said if they want to go there I also see a lot of plot loopholes besides the superb point of the Kaminoians:

- The episode complained about deregulation but how about all of the over regulation that made the Republic so cumbersome and ineffective?

- How many planets are in the Republic? I believe there are a lot and you mean to tell me (Judging by all of the Pods in the Senate) that at least 300+ entire planet incomes cannot buy 5 million Clones? (We have 6 Billion people on this planet alone)

- OK, so daily showers, lights, education and healthcare are more important that an army of emotionless robots will level anything in there path with no feeling whatsoever. (BTW - Doesn't Bacta heal everything? Do they really need a huge healthcare system when you have that and robots who can slap robotic limbs fairly quickly?)

- If the Republic does not want to pay for Clones and Padme is championing this peacnik jive how a bout a Military draft? Think about the billions of people in the Republic, if they picked up arms they could have decimated the droid army. Also if they actually drafted people then the Empire could not have happened as the pre programmed Clones would not have been to kill the Jedi so easily. They would have exercised judgment and would not have been easily swayed by the Emperor.

As I posted many times before I cringe when I see Padme in the preview because I know the episode will suck. Now it crossed the line with their subliminal messaging. Have Jedi swing lightsabers, have ship to ship combat and put in about 3 minutes of plot. Keep the G.I.Joe formula start with action to set the story, explain the mission and then fight to resolve the matter. Give a PSA and call it an episode.

Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Brian on December 6, 2010, 12:04 PM
This episode wasn't as bad as some of the other political ones, but I'm not getting a CLONE WARS type vibe out of this show anymore.  Are there other animated kids shows out there this fully devoted to tainted school lunches, health care, education, and interest rates?  

For those of you with kids who regularly watch - do they have any interest in these types of episodes?

That's what I always think about as well.  You have to figure that although people like us watch this show, the primary audience is 8-12 year old boys (or maybe younger than that).  That being said, I would think they'd be bored to tears from episodes like these (and the tainted drink nonsense).  If we - the older crowd - think they are boring and stale, and the higher level political stuff should technically appeal to us more than kids, you would think that kids would really be bored with it.

I'll admit, I've watched my fair share of cartoons over the years (Batman TAS, JL/JLU, Spec. Spidey, Avengers, GI Joe, TF, etc.), and I don't remember anything like this with previous shows.  I don't remember having a three episode block of Bruce Wayne sitting in on meetings at Wayne Tech, or episodes focusing on tainted vittles in Roadblock's stew.  The kids - and arguably us - would rather see some lightsabers swingin and clones a blastin' I think.  I still look forward to the show each week, but I sure hope they pick things up pretty soon and leave these type of episodes behind for a bit.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Darby on December 6, 2010, 12:42 PM
I find myself again in the shrinking minority that found this episode actually interesting.  It's criminal that so many horrible, badly written political themed episodes preceded this and Heroes On Both Sides - I think the reaction to them would have been different.

The real issue seems to be who is this show for?  It's not for kids.  Kids don't watch C-SPAN.  And judging from the reaction around the web, it's not us, either.  We want to see things blow up.  So do kids.  Win, win, right?  So what's the issue?  Before and during the prequels, a lot of us clamored for more sophisticated and adult story telling.  That's more or less what we're getting here.  The inside baseball on the Republic's moral failures is remarkably sophisticated for a cartoon, let alone the films they follow.  I appreciate the effort, at least.  In these episodes, and even in the Kamino arc, we are seeing a society that values absolutely nothing, not even the men that die for it.  It's rotten to the core.  It got that way either because of greed or entitlement or both.  We're meant to see this as a reflection on our society.  Kids certainly aren't registering this, and the CW team probably doesn't mean for them to.  So it seems like a cannon shot to us, especially when it's so ham-handed as it was in the Mandalore arc.  It takes a lot of nerve for the creative team to center so much attention on the least active characters - Padme and Satine (Hasbro must be losing thier minds) - and position them in opposition to the war on which the entire series (and marketing) is based. 

Who is this show for?  What is this show about?  It's not about things that blow up, all though they do.  It's about something more, and I am willing to go along for the ride, so long as the driver knows the road.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Scockery on December 6, 2010, 03:46 PM
hey Galactic Senators - ever heard of bodyguards? WTF? You people just stroll around town with no security? You deserve to be beaten!

Senator Amidala's has been targeted for death a dozen times. And she has probably had more people die protecting her than were on the first Death Star when it blew up.  :D

But she still strolls off without protection...that will be the death of her...wait, it was.



Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: tmanthegreat on December 7, 2010, 01:07 PM
I find myself again in the shrinking minority that found this episode actually interesting.  It's criminal that so many horrible, badly written political themed episodes preceded this and Heroes On Both Sides - I think the reaction to them would have been different.

The real issue seems to be who is this show for?  It's not for kids.  Kids don't watch C-SPAN.  And judging from the reaction around the web, it's not us, either.  We want to see things blow up.  So do kids.  Win, win, right?  So what's the issue?  Before and during the prequels, a lot of us clamored for more sophisticated and adult story telling.  That's more or less what we're getting here.  The inside baseball on the Republic's moral failures is remarkably sophisticated for a cartoon, let alone the films they follow.  I appreciate the effort, at least.  In these episodes, and even in the Kamino arc, we are seeing a society that values absolutely nothing, not even the men that die for it.  It's rotten to the core.  It got that way either because of greed or entitlement or both.  We're meant to see this as a reflection on our society.  Kids certainly aren't registering this, and the CW team probably doesn't mean for them to.  So it seems like a cannon shot to us, especially when it's so ham-handed as it was in the Mandalore arc.  It takes a lot of nerve for the creative team to center so much attention on the least active characters - Padme and Satine (Hasbro must be losing thier minds) - and position them in opposition to the war on which the entire series (and marketing) is based. 

Who is this show for?  What is this show about?  It's not about things that blow up, all though they do.  It's about something more, and I am willing to go along for the ride, so long as the driver knows the road.

Well said.  When its been done well in this series, I too find the political machinations of the Galactic Republic to be an interesting subject to explore, particularly the interactions between the corrupt and idealistic elements and how namely Palpatine really plays the two sides against each other to achieve his aims.  Its something truly sinister and occurs in a way most of the younger fans - and many of the older ones - may not understand, but which is a fundamental element of the Clone Wars.  Yes, there are all the pitched battles and light-saber fights (those are my favorite parts of the series as well), but how Palpatine uses the Senate, democracy, and claims to morality to effectively destroy themselves is a whole other critical element that deserves mention in the Clone Wars story as well, even if it comes off as a little less exciting than an space battle... 

Then again, I am a bit biased as I’ve always been a bit fascinated by the workings of politics - I explored the political history of the US during our Civil War for my MA thesis and I work for a political consulting firm where I get to see the political process on a local and state level in operation on a first-hand basis every day.  Sometimes, what you see happening on the CW show is not all that far from the truth :P

Perhaps in some ways, as Darby indicates, the show is indeed posing a moral question to viewers about our own society…  I would hope that some of the younger viewers would get it (though I doubt it) or at least that some of the parents watching it with their kids would find therein a “teachable moment” ;)
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Jayson on December 7, 2010, 05:23 PM
I read a spoiler description of the Savage Oppress story arc shown at the advanced screening and if it's accurate, it will more than make up for what we've had to endure these past weeks. It sounds utterly brutal.  :o
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Brian on December 7, 2010, 09:18 PM
A nice write up at IGN (http://tv.ign.com/articles/113/1138851p1.html) following the screening of the Oppress episodes.  Sounds like they were pretty cool, and a montage for the rest of Season 3 was shown as well with an interesting (spoilery) ending.  He also admitted that Filoni understood the frustrations with all the political stuff, and that there wouldn't be any more scenes in the Senate for the rest of Season 3 (although it is setting stuff up for down the road, which is why so much time was spent on it now).  More at the linky.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Jabba the Slug on December 8, 2010, 01:39 AM
I couldn't help but frown when I read the Savage story arc will be a trilogy - meaning 3 episodes? Aaw, shoot. I was expecting him to be in the entire remaining half of Season 3...

And dang. It looks like they really did know what they were doing with these crappy political episodes. Now I'm real interested.

And as for the spoiler part? Dang... I wonder how this entire show will wrap up in the end with keeping audiences surprised, especially since we pretty much know everything about the entire saga.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: McMetal on December 8, 2010, 09:35 AM
A nice write up at IGN (http://tv.ign.com/articles/113/1138851p1.html) following the screening of the Oppress episodes.  Sounds like they were pretty cool, and a montage for the rest of Season 3 was shown as well with an interesting (spoilery) ending.  He also admitted that Filoni understood the frustrations with all the political stuff, and that there wouldn't be any more scenes in the Senate for the rest of Season 3 (although it is setting stuff up for down the road, which is why so much time was spent on it now).  More at the linky.

1. Even Piell FTW!!!!

2. Clancy "Mr. Krabs/Kurgan/Kelvin Inman" Brown!!! AWESOME!

3. Spoiler - ho-hum. We know THAT's not really going to happen. Not for a long while yet. It's obviously a feint, likely a another dream sequence or some shiite like that.

4. I just don't believe Filoni when he says there will be a pay-off for the interminable Senate scenes. NOTHING could make that garbage worthwhile. You guys got too cute and played yourselves. Hope the second half of the season is back on track, it is entirely possible to ruin a good, successful show with poor, sloppy writing (Heroes, I am looking at you!).
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Brian on December 8, 2010, 10:56 AM
Yeah, I was pretty psyched to hear that Clancy Brown was voicing Oppress as well.  Always a fan of his work, and his voice work (Lex Luthor, Mr. Krabs, etc.).  I agree about the "spoiler", as I'm guessing that isn't really happening either.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: speedermike on December 8, 2010, 11:45 AM
Maybe the spoiler does happen, but it's the work of someone else...like a Sith Witch or something.

"As I posted many times before I cringe when I see Padme in the preview because I know the episode will suck. Now it crossed the line with their subliminal messaging." Jackoftradz

What subliminal message?  That war is bad? That peace is good? I don't think that's subliminal, I think it's been a huge part of Lucas's work since the beginning.  "Wars not make one great."

Also, I don't think the people in the Republic will pick up arms and fight.  I get the idea that many of them are too comfortable and too uninvolved to fight.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Brian on December 8, 2010, 11:58 AM
Another positive review (http://www.newsarama.com/tv/savage-oppress-revealed-clone-wars-101208.html) of the Oppress screening, courtesy of Newsarama.  Is CW on hiatus until those episodes in January?  I know they usually take a break around this time of year, and I think it is repeats at least the next two weeks (and likely on Christmas Eve as well I guess).
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Jabba the Slug on December 8, 2010, 11:59 PM
Yeah, it is on hiatus until January 7th. I would have thought that another episode could have been slipped in for next Friday since Christmas isn't for another two weeks, but I guess that the Savage trilogy episodes needs to be shown back-to-back. Man, I cannot wait for January! 
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: McMetal on December 9, 2010, 09:45 AM
Apparently it is moving up to 8:30pm EST when the show returns next year as well.

I don't think I like it...9pm was perfect, IMO. Now I have barely enough time to get the kids in bed beforehand, much less go out on my regular Friday night pre-show toy runs.

Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Jayson on December 14, 2010, 01:46 PM
Holy moly... (http://insidetv.ew.com/2010/12/14/star-wars-the-clone-wars-trailer-an-ew-exclusive/#more-28013)
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: iFett on December 14, 2010, 02:22 PM
Very impressive!  I just hope all of that is not contianed in 3-4 episodes and the rest being filled with more political garbage.  Also, is this the final season?  Ahsoka didn't look very happy...
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Jesse James on December 14, 2010, 04:31 PM
Yup, pretty cool...  Trandoshans, Carbonite, Clones warring again, saber dueling...  Good stuff.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Hobbie on December 14, 2010, 08:52 PM
Noticed that they are also moving the start time up - that's got to be a good thing, a show of confidence on the part of CN.

Maybe they ran all the lamesness because they were working so hard on getting the coolness right on these new eps?
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Jabba the Slug on December 14, 2010, 10:55 PM
Very impressive!  I just hope all of that is not contianed in 3-4 episodes and the rest being filled with more political garbage.  Also, is this the final season?  Ahsoka didn't look very happy...

No, this isn't the final season - at least nobody has said it is. I'm guessing that Ahsoka hasn't gone bad, but rather was was somehow brainwashed/manipulated by that evil-looking dude (that shot of her face with the dark bags under her eyes looks like the effects of the virus from the "Blue Shadow Virus" episode from Season 1). I'm sure that by the end of the season she'll be good little Ahsoka again.

I'm really interested who that Dark Side wizard/Sith(?) was. Perhaps a Sith from the KOTOR-era? That would be a very cool link to that time frame.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: McMetal on December 15, 2010, 08:37 AM
I believe from the outset they have planned around a five season run, so two more to come after this one.

Trailer was pretty cool...I can never really tell what is going on in those things because of the editing and that one was particularly dark.

Looks like we'll be seeing a lot of Felucia again...wonder if they'll show any of those weird natives?

I think they really need to be careful about expanding the Sith line-up because every new person added just takes them further and further away from the Law of 2, or whatever it is called. They're gonna be up to what, 5 or 6 now? That's TOO MANY, Sidious! You of all people should know better. You can't have all these Sith running amuck all over the place. They're still trying to keep that stuff under wraps from the Jedi after all.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: shmashwitdaclub on December 15, 2010, 10:56 AM
I'm really interested who that Dark Side wizard/Sith(?) was. Perhaps a Sith from the KOTOR-era? That would be a very cool link to that time frame.

When I first saw him my first reaction was the Pau'an, Darth Desolace, a Dark Lord of the Sith (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Darth_Desolous).
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: EpicGon on December 15, 2010, 06:30 PM
It would be perfect if Ashoka survives the dark side temptation, if not the tremendous effort of lucasfilm for changing her appearence would be wasted.
There are signs that Jedi will face more than one sith on this season, that is
if Savage Opress is not a full dark lord, he could be a chief of the sith assassins.
The dark sisters (sith witches) should have to fight in a lightsaber duel, at least at once with several Jedi (Ki Adi Mundi, Shaak Ti, Luminara, Plo Koon, etc)

I wonder, not assuming, that this Season 3 would reveal the interaction of several categories of the Sith hierarchy: acolytes, assasins, commandos, witches, etc), this fact will force Sidious to appear more on screen than previous seasons to define the ranks of those newcoming characters.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Jabba the Slug on December 15, 2010, 08:28 PM
Looks like we'll be seeing a lot of Felucia again...wonder if they'll show any of those weird natives?

This doesn't look like Felucia... not to me, at least. Considering there was only one setting shown in the entire trailer, I wonder if the second half of the season will be entirely on this planet, or if this will be another arc of stories.

Filoni seems to really like witches/wizards/magic this season. First the Night Sisters (who apparently use their own exclusive type of magic), now this Sith(?) character. The planet shown also seems very Harry Potter-ish, with all those glowing beings and the unidentified person from the creature that transforms into a flying creature.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Jesse James on December 16, 2010, 04:30 AM
I stand by the mentality that the "law of 2" only applies to legitimate Sith, and that these people are anything but...  There can be tons of "dark Jedi", but only two true Sith Lords.  Aurra Sing can fall into the dark force-user/dark jedi realm, Assajj, Vos (arguably), and others from EU and in the series now it seems.  They could range from being pretty darn good at manipulating the force, all the way to just being able to float the remote over to themselves.  But there can be almost unlimited numbers of people able to use the force, who are used as pawns by the Sith.

If anything that plays into what douches they are, whereas Jedi would at least remotely try to mentor or keep track of them.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Darby on December 16, 2010, 12:42 PM
I also like the idea of the rule of two, but the Sith don't even follow it.  Every one of them has a future Sith in waiting (Dooku has Asajj, now Oppress apparently, Sidious has Anakin, etc.)  It's more branding to me.  The Sith own the Dark Side brand, but there's plenty of knock offs.  Like Jesse said, there has to be an enormous amount of people in the SW universe who have some level of force sensibility.  Not all of them become Jedi, and not all of them become Sith, but they do what they can, and each aspect of the force, good and bad, has its devotees.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Jabba the Slug on December 22, 2010, 01:51 AM
I bought the latest 'Insider' issue, and, boy, did Leland Chee do A LOT of retconning. Some very minor spoilers below...

- Asajj Ventress is no longer from Rattatak, but now from Dathomir
- Darth Maul went from being from Iridonia (the FORMER Zabrak home planet) to now from Dathomir also
- If I understood this right, apparently ALL Zabraks are now from Dathomir, but regard Iridonia as their homeplanet.

The article was very confusing. It was as if by trying to retcon so much that Leland Chee ended up making things more confusing. For example, he says that Human-Zabrak females have pale skin and no horns (so is he implying that Asajj Ventress is a Human-Zabrak breed?), and that the male breeds have horns and skin patterns, so does that mean that Darth Maul and Savage Opress are Human-Zabraks? I dunno. It's very confusing.

Chee pretty much disregarded all of the original backstory for Asajj that has been set in stone by the CW microseries and by so many comic writers, and pretty much kept only ONE of the original pieces of her backstory: that she was once a Jedi for a short time (as established in the comics). They even threw away the fact that she was from Rattatak, which really upset me. But I guess it depends on how seriously you take all this complicated EU stuff.

The article also outlines the entire trilogy arc, which is surprisng because they could have done that next issue once all the episodes air, but it's their call, I guess...   
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: McMetal on December 22, 2010, 09:35 AM
I need to read that article, because it just sounds all kinds of mixed up. WTF is Leland Chee anyway? Shouldn't Filoni be directly handling any retcon of existing EU?

Asajj is NOT a Zabrak.

Iridonia IS the Zabrak homeworld.

Darth Maul's "skin patterns" were tattoos, not natural colorings.

Female Zabrak absolutely have horns, and this has been established clearly on the show already: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Sugi

Ugh, my absolute biggest pet peeve with any entertainment is when they can't keep their own continuity straight. How freaking hard is that? Just hire geeks like us to police the content!
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Jabba the Slug on December 22, 2010, 04:34 PM
I need to read that article, because it just sounds all kinds of mixed up. WTF is Leland Chee anyway? Shouldn't Filoni be directly handling any retcon of existing EU?

Leland Chee (according to the Star Wars Wiki) is "a Lucasfilm official and the person who maintains the Holocron continuity database." Pretty much, he's the go-to guy in terms of Star Wars continuity, he even manages his own Q/A thread on the Official Site forums.

Iridonia IS the Zabrak homeworld.

Not anymore - according to what he says in the article, "The Zabraks, including Darth Maul, regarded Iridonia as their home world. In integrating the existing EU back-story with the new revelations in The Clone Wars, it was determined... a small group of Zabraks ended up on Dathomir prior to the Clone Wars...," and the article pretty much says that ever since, Zabraks are now from Dathomir. Even the Official Databank says Darth Maul is from Iridonia!

I thought the "In integrating the existing EU back-story with the new revelations..." line was funny, it's as if he's acting as if he's doing Star Wars continuity a favor by not trashing everything we know aside, but pretty much saying, "Hey, we've known Zabraks are from Iridonia for 11 years, but now we're gonna say they're from Dathormir, that should be fine, right?" ::)

Darth Maul's "skin patterns" were tattoos, not natural colorings.

"The full-body tattoos covering Darth Maul, originally thought to be linked to the Sith, come from the warrior culture of the Nightbrothers."

Ok, Mr. Chee, whatever you say. ::) Nevermind that at least 11 year's worth of established material has now been cast aside.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: McMetal on December 23, 2010, 10:36 AM
Dang, they really did make a mess of that, didn't they?

I just don't see the point. There are half a dozen ways that could have explained the Nightsister/Zabrak connection without having to rewrite history.

Just let Dathomir be the homeworld of the Rancor and Kwa. What't the point of throwing in the Zabraks too? The planets aren't even close to each other - Dathomir is in the freaking Outer Rim after all.

I just chalk it all up to intellectual laziness. It's really not that hard to manage continuity sensibly, even with as many properties as they have going.

Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: McMetal on January 7, 2011, 07:58 PM
I'm officially psyched for tonight. I feel like this is the "real" premiere and that whole schtick last year was just a bad dream.

Don't let me down Hollywood!
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Scott on January 7, 2011, 09:48 PM
Pretty good episode tonight...love the voice effects of the Sisters.  Dooku fighting them blind while a little unreal was badass, especially the Lightning attack.  Good episode and a step in the right direction, can't wait for next week!
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Scockery on January 7, 2011, 09:54 PM
Sidious knows Ventress is becoming too powerful, but doesn't sense she is still alive. Hmmm...

Those poor salvagers.

If Ventress was taught by a Jedi, why does she seem to hate them so much?
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Jabba the Slug on January 7, 2011, 11:24 PM
The episode is gonna start in my area in 8 minutes... this feels like a super-special event, I wish all 3 episodes would air all in one night! The Official Site has a pretty good read on the evolution of Ventress collectables, and a special interview with Clancy Brown (Savage Opress), and I was really bummed to see the note that Savage doesn't appear until next week's episode... *sigh*...  :-[
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Jesse James on January 8, 2011, 02:37 AM
At least 2 of the 3 would've been nice Jabba, I agree.  1 kinda left me feeling down.

Great episode...  Just like you said Scott, the fight Dooku was having was great, and then the way he capped it off?  Only a Sith could've ended it that way.

I think the Palpy "sensing" strength in Ventress could've been at any point he's ever been near her, or could even be regarding to damage she's done in the war...  What's Dooku's ultimate attachment to her though?  And is he even remotely considering her as his apprentice and usurping Palpatine?

See that's a tricky thing...  They've not stepped on the toes of her origins with Dooku/Palpatine so far from the Tarkovsky series, but they were getting close.

I liked that they tied her to the Jedi too...  Though that was Aurra's background as well.  Maybe Ventress hates the Jedi because, after her rage being unleashed, they cast her out of the order?  Anakin kept his Tusken slaughter to himself mostly, but had the order known, would he have been "let go"?

Throwing force sensitives who've been, at the very least partially trained, seems like a bad idea.  It's like making guns that aren't quite finished but can still be dangerous and functional, and just chucing them out into the street with the trash.  Someone's bound to go dumpster diving.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: EpicGon on January 8, 2011, 12:05 PM
mmm... the dark side is clouding the comics timeline continuity

regrets for the change of Rattattak for Dathomir
but the flash back is very quick, they said Asajj left Dathomir, so Republic 60 could be true in a certain point of view.

As a literature and Linguistics man, I suggest the change for this planet is due to the stronger and more appelaing name of Dathomir, cause Rattatak  is kinda cacophonic and so childish for a serious name.

Only future chapters could tell us if zabraks are originary from this planet (that will proof a loss of continuity, certain lack of variety). Iridonia was appealing too, for Iridium the radiactive element which ended the reign of dinosaurs, sounds strong, perturbing, dark side connected.

The nightsisters show themselves an organized army inside the galaxy, thier mother is cunning and able to conspire, she projects herself a competitor to Sidious (less powerful of course, but enough macchiavelic).
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: speedermike on January 8, 2011, 01:55 PM

As a literature and Linguistics man, I suggest the change for this planet is due to the stronger and more appelaing name of Dathomir, cause Rattatak  is kinda cacophonic and so childish for a serious name.



So is Greedo.  I mean, he's greedy...so his name is Greedo.  SW is pulp, not serious literature.  Rancr?  Mon Clalmari?  C'mon.  It's supposed to be goofy.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Jabba the Slug on January 8, 2011, 02:23 PM
Wow, Asajj once had hair?! :o That was probably the most surprising part of the episode for me...  ;)

Oh, and to address her backstory, first, for those wondering about her (I've read all the comic/books with her in them), she was originally trained on Rattatak as a Jedi by Ky Narec (the Jedi who found her) after he crash-lands on the planet, but he was killed when a bunch of warlords saw how powerful they were becoming and decided to kill both of them. The fact that he was killed in the episode is consistent with her original backstory. She then falls to the darkside and years later meets Dooku, and is brainwashed by Dooku to think that the Jedi abandoned both her and her master to die, which is why she hates them so much. Aurra Sing's story is somewhat similar, but hers is that she was kidnapped by pirates, and is led to believe that her Master abandoned her, which is also why Aurra hates the Jedi.    

I loved how Sidious totally snapped at Dooku, we've never seen that before! Usually it's always been, "You have done well, blah blah" but in this scene, he's pretty much saying, "Kill her, or I kill YOU!"

I thought it was interesting how Dooku tried to stand up for Asajj - he said she was "important" to him.

The 3-way duel between Anakin, Obi and Asajj was EPIC!! She totally could have kicked their asses - she just picked them up with the Force and totally went The Force Unleashed with them! That was probably my favorite part of the episode! It was a shock to see how desperate she was after they disarmed her and pointed their lightsabers at her.

The Dooku fight was cool also, I loved how after he was disarmed, Asajj just walked right up to him and was preparing for the final blow. That was a very powerful scene.

I feel kind of cheated Savage wasn't in this episode, considering he's supposed to be the star of only 3 episodes. Next week should be a good one for sure.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Scockery on January 8, 2011, 03:20 PM
One oddity with the plan to kill Dooku...if you could get close enought to successfully send a dart to dull his senses, you might as well use a lethally poisoned dart to kill him. But that wouldn't satisfy Ventress' revenge enough.

Also, Ventress surviving the lightining, the fall, and rescuing the two night sisters using the force,...gives enough leeway for Mace Windu somehow surviving in ROTS. Sure his fall was greater, and he'd probably have to cling to a moving speeder rather than a cliff, with one hand. But, strangers things have happened.

Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: iFett on January 8, 2011, 05:04 PM
Glad to see a return to space fights and lightsaber duels with no political blah blah.  Keep it up!
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Hobbie on January 8, 2011, 07:23 PM
Great episode, shoulda given some time to why she went to the darkside. 
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: McMetal on January 8, 2011, 09:41 PM
The continued homages to other sci-fi properties is both amusing and gratifying.

Hands down the best scene maybe of the whole series ever was the Tactical Droid replying to Dooku "By Your Command" - EPIC.

And you gotta love the old Fremen "Water Of Life" schtick. Night-Sisters = Bene Gesserit?

After watching it again in HD this morning, the episode was even better the second time around. They always score big with the space battles, and the opening sequence did not disappoint in that regard. Heck, we got some nice screen time for the Tri-Fighters!

The hangar deck duel was very well done but it's the same old complaint - she should not have fared even that well against two of the best Jedi in the galaxy. And the force choke? No way dude, a Jedi Master would have a ready defense for that jazz. That should have been a lot more of a lop-sided battle than it was. Either that or Yoda was just lying and the Dark Side really IS stronger.

Guess we've seen the last of the erstwhile Fanblade Fighter? It will be missed.

How can you be Big-Shot Sith Lord and you feel all these disturbances all the time but you can't tell if Asajj is dead or not? That's some weak sauce.

What's with the lame ass security in Dooku's Fortress of Solitude? Could it have been any easier for them to have gotten in? Maybe mix in a motion detector or pheremone sensor, bro. Or even a scary dog, I mean WTF?

All the Dathomir stuff was way cool, although they obviously took some liberties with how it was all portrayed. The interior sets of the temple were insanely interesting. I really liked the rendering of the Nightsisters too. They have to make a Battlepack with Talzin, Asajj, and the other 2 warriors though. How cool was that laser-bow?

Not sure about the Asajj backstory, it does seem rather incomplete and derivative. At least they didn't blow up the Tartakovsky continuity totally.

You have to wonder ultimately how she will survive the war. She seems pretty hell bent on killing Dooku, and since we all know that never happens, it stands to reason she gets offed by the time ROTS has started.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: EpicGon on January 9, 2011, 12:41 PM
I watched Assaj chapter for a second time; she´s growing his force powers over the top, like TFU
I think Republic 60 comic should not be deleted from timeline; it will serve as a proving battleground for her
with adoptive parents, the Jedi Mentor, her role as a commander previous to her Dooku allegiance.

So Rattattak could appear in the series too (despite its onomatopeyic sound for a machine gun blast)

Other role for Asajj was as pilot in this chapter, only surpassed by Anakin, who damaged her vesel in combat, previous to the duel in the hangar.

The ongoing chapters promise a very sofisticated fencing, I wonder if they are taking advice from Nick Gillard or another  eskrima expert.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: EpicGon on January 13, 2011, 10:30 PM
There´s another thought: it was said that in season 3 of clone wars the characters were advancing closer to their rots looks, they did the most accurate job  for Anakin, Obi Wan improved but keeps a pointy beard (in the chin area) and Dooku looks the most unreal of the group; his head is very conical, kinda Ki Adi Mundi, almost pyramidal the beard area is wider than the forehead.

Dooku needs an update in his head, the designers must soften his traits. In aotc and rots figures, for example, he looks more like Don Quijote, with a decent proportion of head and body.
I´m not against the plot, cause seems the series got the necessary balance on entertainment for children and adult fans.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Scockery on January 15, 2011, 01:19 AM
Savage Oppress is a super-awesome warrior because he was infused with evil magic? Really? All the training with weapons, mastery of the force...and now it's pumping up some village tough using sorcery and then telling them what to do? How come the Night Sisters aren't ruling the cosmos?

Ventress, if she earned any sympathy last time, she lost it all. She orders Oppress to betray someone close to him (which he does, cuz now he's demonic), even though she was the near-victim of a betrayal last episode. Is that gonna come back to bite her in the butt?

Roswell Grey Jedi perished! NOOOO!  :P
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Jabba the Slug on January 15, 2011, 03:36 AM
Savage Oppress is a super-awesome warrior because he was infused with evil magic? Really? All the training with weapons, mastery of the force...and now it's pumping up some village tough using sorcery and then telling them what to do? How come the Night Sisters aren't ruling the cosmos?

I have to agree with you there - previews made it seem like he was an actually Force-sensitive brother of Maul's... I love Savage, he's a tragic villain of sorts, but I don't understand how he could have learned to use the Force or even use a double-sided lightsaber (which is apparently dangerous to use). I can understand Dooku training him; I wonder how long he was actually Dooku's acolyte.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: speedermike on January 15, 2011, 12:19 PM
Savage was awespme before he was pumped up.  He almost beat Ventress.  He's a Frankenstien.  Not skilled, just a brute.  He's going to be unstable.

I liked that Ventress made him kill her brother.  We need to remember that she's evil.  One think I always liked about SW is that the villains kill people.  It gives it a bit more danger.

Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Jabba the Slug on January 15, 2011, 02:16 PM
I liked that Ventress made him kill her brother.  We need to remember that she's evil.  One think I always liked about SW is that the villains kill people.  It gives it a bit more danger.

Filoni said on the episode commentary that Asajj is basically doing the same thing to Savage what Dooku did to her - and that it's the result of her dark side training. I like that he commented on this, because it makes you wonder why she would be evil enough to manipulate someone just like she was manipulated.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: McMetal on January 15, 2011, 08:41 PM
It was Ok. I liked Clancy Brown. It felt like kind of a letdown after last week though.

Wow, those Zabrak dudes are some real pussies. AHCHOO! Oops, I must be allergic to EMASCULATION.

Grow a pair, boys!

And what, did the Jedi Council look for the puniest, most pathetic Jedi to guard that all important Temple? Those guys caved in quicker than the French!

Why no scenes from next week? Is two new episodes in a row their limit? That 3 week break over Christmas wasn't enough?
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Brian on January 15, 2011, 09:13 PM
Why no scenes from next week? Is two new episodes in a row their limit? That 3 week break over Christmas wasn't enough?

Not sure, but TVGuide.com lists new episodes this Friday and next (and that's as far out as the guide goes).
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: tmanthegreat on January 16, 2011, 01:27 PM
Dooku and the Jedi are going to have their hands full with that Savage Opress ;)  The last two minutes of that episode were the best part of that show. 

I disliked the fact that Savage was sort of "magically" changed by the witches into the brute as it sort of takes away from the insidious nature of the dark side of the force.  It would have been better to have seen the character seduced into the dark side over the episode arc by Ventress and the others - perhaps playing on the desire to protect his brother - than some sort of witch-spell, but I can't argue with the end result.

EU plot loopholes aside, what has been interesting about these two episodes is their exploration into the Sith culture.  It sort of provides a contrast against what we've seen with the Jedi.  The way the Sith constantly scheme against one another, master against aprentice, to achieve power...  Dooku sort of summed it up in the last lines of the episode when he noted how he and Opress could work together to overthrow Darth Sidious.  Not that he will, of course ;)   
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: P-Siddy on January 16, 2011, 04:49 PM
Dooku sort of summed it up in the last lines of the episode when he noted how he and Opress could work together to overthrow Darth Sidious.  Not that he will, of course ;)   

 :o
Spoiler Alert, dude!  8)  ;)

I caught a bit of the episode since it was being hyped (I've not seen any of Season 3 yet... waiting for DVDs), but was underwhelmed by Savage's 'turn'. The Sith witchcraft turns people to the dark side now? I just felt it was something one possesses force-wise, and you choose which path you follow: dark or light. But yeah, a major Republic outpost is guarded by a handful of troops and a Jedi and Padawan. I still don't recall why the Master didn't recall his saber instead of doing acrobatic kicks on his opponent. Clearly, Savage was someone special if he took a blaster shot at point-blank range and kept going.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Scott on January 17, 2011, 05:56 PM
Gotta say that this one was sort of a stinker...sure it was full of action and such but I really didn't need Darth Maul's backstory fleshed out at all nor do I like the idea of a dark side infused warrior with super strength
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Diddly on January 18, 2011, 12:41 AM
I stumbled upon this episode last night (like Siddy I wait for the DVDs; only season 3 episode I've seen is the Q-Vos/Sy Snootles one) and yeah it was kind of a letdown. The fighting was cool and all but I still think the concept of Maul having a brother is lame, especially when he ends up being some sort of Frankenstein monster being fueled by the Force.

Having just finished watching Season 2, I think there are still some untapped villains they could use rather than adding more random Sith apprentices. I mean they hardly even used Cad Bane, the Mandalorians, etc... I guess what I'm saying is that I would have rather seen Dooku train the whole bunch of Zabraks and have them assault the temple as a group of warriors.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Jesse James on January 18, 2011, 02:10 AM
Was it that Maul had a brother though?  I got the impression, and maybe some of this was rationalizing it in my own head, that these Zabraks are almost kept here, like they're bred to some degree, as peole that can either be trained, or created, into something.  So was Maul bred to be like he was, or was he force-adept and chosen?

The episode deviates 100% from his backstory...  I think there's some scenes of his childhood in the EU, and how he's found by Palpatine/Sidious.

I could see it tying to his backstory some though, if Maul was sort of handed off as a child to Sidious because of his force-adept nature... 

I don't know what to make of Opress' ultimate "force sensitivity" or whatever.  it's almost more like they gave him mystical Star Wars roids, beefed him up, and made him just a really badass warrior.  Is he using the force?  Maybe a little, but he sorta seems like more a brute than a force-user.  I don't know.  Either way, the longer Clone Wars goes on, the more and more I look at it simply as "more expanded universe".  It's good, don't get me wrong, but its utter lack of cohesion with anything established already makes me look at TCW3D as really just another comic book, or novel, or video game.  A lot of it rocks, but sometimes I think I'll stick with the established storylines and things, and just sorta put Clone Wars somewhere behind it.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Matt_Fury on January 18, 2011, 12:15 PM
Am I the only one that has been underwhelmed by this so far?
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Greg on January 18, 2011, 12:35 PM
Am I the only one that has been underwhelmed by this so far?

No. The high points of the much-hyped "Savage Arc" have been a space battle rehashed from ROTS and a two-minute battle scene that has been available online for the past month or so.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Nicklab on January 18, 2011, 01:39 PM
Savage killing his brother does actually have some precedent in Sith lore.  In both comics and novels we've seen Sith commit murders in order to gain more strength in the Dark side of The Force.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Jabba the Slug on January 18, 2011, 11:17 PM
The 1st episode was meant to set up the story, and the 2nd episode actually introduced the new villain. If anything, having this just as a trilogy of 3 episodes really narrowed down the potential story there could have been.

Had Savage took up the entire rest of the season (like it was hyped up until a month before the episodes actually started airing), there may have been more time to expand on a better backstory for him. 
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Jayson on January 20, 2011, 11:04 AM
Liam Neeson to reprise his role as Qui-Gon Jinn in next week's The Clone Wars (http://insidetv.ew.com/2011/01/20/liam-neeson-star-wars-clone-wars-exclusive/)
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: shmashwitdaclub on January 20, 2011, 11:13 AM
pure awesome thanks for that!!!  cant wait!

side note - which characters did  Ron Perlman and Jon Favreau do voices for?
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Jayson on January 20, 2011, 11:19 AM
Favreau did Pre Viszla and Perlman did Gha Nachkt
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: iFett on January 20, 2011, 11:21 AM
Interesting....Still a shame they couldn't have shoe-horned him in somewhere in ROTS.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: McMetal on January 20, 2011, 11:35 AM
Liam Neeson to reprise his role as Qui-Gon Jinn in next week's The Clone Wars (http://insidetv.ew.com/2011/01/20/liam-neeson-star-wars-clone-wars-exclusive/)

BEST...NEWS...EVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

HUGE Liam Neeson fan, loved the character too, and now we finally have an excuse for Hasbro to make an animated figure of him!

This just sounds insanely cool, cannot wait for that arc.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Scockery on January 20, 2011, 03:33 PM
Well, here we go with conflicting ROTS...Kenobi seems surprised Yoda was communicating with Qui-Gon's spirit.

Of course, fans are rationalizing this already. "He was just surprised because he thought it was a dream and Yoda confirms Qui-Gon really is communicating with the living."

We'll see.

It doesn't bother me much, mainly because RotS wasn't all that.



Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Jabba the Slug on January 20, 2011, 06:52 PM
BEST...NEWS...EVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

HUGE Liam Neeson fan, loved the character too, and now we finally have an excuse for Hasbro to make an animated figure of him!

I concur, this is just epic! I think Qui-Gon's appearance here makes up for his absence in ROTS. If Hasbro doesn't make an animated Qui-Gon figure, they're just crazy.

I agree that this scene conflicts with the Yoda/Obi scene at the end ROTS, but only to a certain extent. Most canon-related problems can be easily worked out "from a certain point of view."
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Jesse James on January 20, 2011, 07:41 PM
I'm wondering if they won't play it off sort of like Luke in ANH...  Kenobi maybe senses QGJ, or hears things, but doesn't necessarilly believe he's hearing or seeing what he is...  It's just something he maybe dismisses as a dream, or the force maybe playing tricks on his mind.  He doesn't find out till the end of ROTS from Yoda that Jinn is actually able to communicate and stuff.

It's a possibility anyway.  It'll be interesting either way as to how they make it fit, or if they're simply not going to try anything at all to make it fit.  I've noticed TCW doesn't give much of a poo about anything that came before it.  Once again, all the more reason to just look at TCW as basically "just some more EU".
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Jabba the Slug on January 21, 2011, 12:23 AM
Well, the EW article says that Qui-Gon appears to Obi-Wan in "visions." So it's possible, like you mentioned, Jesse, that Obi-Wan dismisses these as visions only, and doesn't believe that Qui-Gon actually communicated to him. That way, in ROTS, he's still surprised and all. It really depends on what card the TCW plays, as it's pretty much cast aside all established material on Mandalorians, Zabraks, and more...
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: 501ST on January 21, 2011, 09:41 AM


If Hasbro doesn't make an animated Qui-Gon figure, they're just crazy.



Personally I'd say it's a given they will.

Look at the Sidious figure as an example.

:)
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Jesse James on January 22, 2011, 12:28 AM
So some thoughts...

First, I thought the whole three-way fight between Ventress, Dooku, and Oppress was a bit rushed and odd, but whatever.  It was neat to watch.  It was even more rushed and weird adding Anakin and Obi-Wan into it all.  It almost felt unnecessary.

Loved seeing the Republic Commandoes, and I hope we see them a TON more.  My gf's son was just playing Republic Commandoes on the 360 the other day, and that game holds up great still.  I want to see them do a ton of ass whipping at some point. 

I really don't like TCW trying to jam Maul down our throats with the whole retelling of his species, basically.  In MY Star Wars world, Zabraks still come from their own world...  these Zabraks are just guys the Nightsisters sort of enslave and use for breeding stock or something.  I really dislike the whole retelling of that species though.  Hell, there's some of them on the council!  Twice!  It's goofy how basically TCW is jsut ignoring everything before it.  Some of it is explainable, but some of it I'm simply choosing to ignore at this point.

The surprise at the end?  Hmmm...  Didn't care for the EU story about that, don't care to see that smae EU story bullshitted in some capacity by one of Lucas' kids or whoever is writing that. 

Why not take some established EU and expand on it?  I'd love to see stuff like Outer Rim Sieges and things like that.  Things the EU touched on and which this series could really make expansive and deep story-wise.

The more Lucas gets involved, the more I fear this series will go down hill.  It's funny to me that the guy who created Star Wars is the last guy I want creating more Star Wars, at this point.  And I extend that to his kids.  This 3-episode arc wasn't bad, but it wasn't amazing either, and it did some lame **** to boot.  That's kind of unacceptable, given the boring turd-fest we dealt with getting to this point.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Jabba the Slug on January 22, 2011, 01:51 AM
My only major criticism about this entire arc is that it threw aside pretty much all previously established canon material... and is now directly challenging one of the films (Episode I). And it's a shame to think that it was Lucas that involved himself in this and allowed it to happen. I understand the need to keep Star Wars fresh, but there just comes a point where you begin to ruin what was originally fine and dandy.

I thought Anakin and Obi-Wan's appearance in this episode was completely unnecessary, if not annoying (those jokes they told each other were starting to get on my nerves) - hell, save that for the next Savage-themed arc! Throwing them into the mix only took away time from the Ventress/Dooku/Savage duel, and Asajj's duel with Dooku was supposed to be one of the key elements of the arc - her trying to get revenge on Dooku.

I would say Asajj is pretty much done for the entire series, unless she somehow reconciles with the Count. Savage will probably make another arc, but I wouldn't count on him playing too big of a role next time.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Jesse James on January 22, 2011, 02:34 AM
BTW, My gf and I both laughed when they just zipped on board Dooku's Dreadnaught, and not one person was there to meet them, not one gun fired on them when approaching...  Nothing.  Lame.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Jabba the Slug on January 22, 2011, 04:06 AM
BTW, My gf and I both laughed when they just zipped on board Dooku's Dreadnaught, and not one person was there to meet them, not one gun fired on them when approaching...  Nothing.  Lame.

I noticed that too - especially because it was Dooku's Dreadnaught! I could have understood if it was just any ordinary Separatist flagship - but the fact that Dooku was on it made it worse.

It's similar to the first episode of the arc, when Obi and Asajj are just able to crash their ships in the hangar of a Separatist cruiser so easily - no shields up, no droids, no "parked" Vulture Droids there, either...

Anyways, I'm pretty stoked for what was shown in next week's preview - possible visions of Ahsoka's future.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Brian on January 22, 2011, 10:45 AM
I liked the whole "Nightsisters" trilogy pretty well.  I didn't think it was as "oh my goodness" amazing as we seemed to hear in many reviews coming out of those theatrical screenings, but it was a definite improvement over poisoned juices and senate mumbo jumbo.  Personally, I thought the battle between Dooku/Ventress/Oppress was kind of neat.  The Oppress character is pretty cool too, but the main problem I have with him is his power levels are a bit crazy.

I've sort of felt the same, at times, about Cad Bane - as cool as I think he is.  It seems like they really want to make sure you know these new baddies are "bad ass" or something.  I can understand either of them being good fighters, and maybe even taking out some red-shirt Jedis or something, but as far as I'm concerned - particularly in the case of Bane - if they run across a Jedi the level of Windu, Kenobi, or Skywalker, they should be toast.  Same thing with Oppress.  Not only does he somewhat easily handle Kenobi and Skywalker at the same time, he also seemed to do pretty well against Dooku and Ventress, despite just "learning" the dark side very recently.  I suppose it has something to do the powering up the Nightsisters gave him and everything, but it seemed a little extreme.

Also, am I reading the ending wrong, or is that saying that Darth Maul is somehow alive?  It is funny to me how Lucas seems to be out of touch in a way with what the audience thinks will be cool.  He killed Fett off quickly in the OT, and then was surprised that he was so popular and has been trying to recapture that with AOTC, the Mandos/Pre Vizla in CW, etc.  Then, Maul is basically the best thing to come out of TPM and everyone seems to agree he's pretty cool, and he gets killed off quickly as well.  Now we have Oppress, more of the Zabrak species, and possibly the return of Darth Maul as well.

Overall, the arc was pretty cool, and again - if they are watching - I think kids would enjoy Oppress for what he is as well.  It was really cool seeing the Republic Commandos, and I hope we see more of them as well.  As far as treading on EU stuff, I guess I'm just not familiar enough with the majority of it to notice.  I know there are a lot of arguments for canon and all of that, but to me, the movies take first precedence, with the CW series second.  They are both involving the creator, Lucas, first hand and are also experienced by the largest audiences.  That's not saying there aren't great books, comics, etc - but seriously, it would get pretty difficult to reconcile all of that stuff without stepping on anything.  If it was written by someone other than Lucas or someone involved with the movies/animated series, I don't have as much of a problem with changes.  When they overwrite movies and what happened there, that is a bit different.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Darby on January 22, 2011, 10:50 AM
I liked the story as a whole, and it was light yeears beyond a lot of what we've seen lately.  I thought Obi-Wan and Anakin were shoe-horned in as a way to accelerate Ventress' plan, but that wasn't necessary.  Some time could have passed and it would have been nice to have seen Savage grow and Dooku to be completely comfortable with him.  As it was at the end, Dooku was like, 'whatever.' 

Maul being alive - you wouldn't know there's a re-release of Episode 1 coming next year or anything, with him and Qui-Gon suddenly back in the mix.  I think this show has honestly been a way of mending some of the missteps in the PT and Lucas clearly feels killing Maul was one of them.

I'll take a wait and see attitude, but I don't know what it gains to bring him back at all.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Scockery on January 22, 2011, 12:03 PM
I really don't like TCW trying to jam Maul down our throats with the whole retelling of his species, basically.  In MY Star Wars world, Zabraks still come from their own world...  these Zabraks are just guys the Nightsisters sort of enslave and use for breeding stock or something.  I really dislike the whole retelling of that species though.  Hell, there's some of them on the council!  Twice!  It's goofy how basically TCW is jsut ignoring everything before it.  Some of it is explainable, but some of it I'm simply choosing to ignore at this point.

DId you miss Obi-Wan and Mace Windu's expositionary dialouge? Kenobi said he thought the Zabraks were from Iridonia; Mace replied Maul was raised on Dathomir, but the males of his species came from Irodonia. The ones on Dathomir are apparently a colony (they didn't use the word colony). It was delivered in an odd way, though, "the males of his species" part. We know there's female Zabraks. Saying "The males on Dathomir came from Iridonia" would've made more sense.

Do we know that's Maul at the end? Or it Maul's actual brother (like some us though Oppress was)? Why is Mother Talzin helping Oppress, what is her game? Oppress was the best of bunch of try-outs last episode, but now he has a destiny. Hmmm....
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Jabba the Slug on January 22, 2011, 01:40 PM
Do we know that's Maul at the end? Or it Maul's actual brother (like some us though Oppress was)? Why is Mother Towzin helping Oppress, what is her game? Oppress was the best of bunch of try-outs last episode, but now he has a destiny. Hmmm....

The Episode Guide (http://starwars.com/theclonewars/guide/episode314.html) for this episode confirms that it was Darth Maul at the end.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Scockery on January 22, 2011, 02:22 PM
Oh, brother.

I though the spoilers that people who saw the theatrical showing were hiding was Ventress's demise (which I wrongly figured that was  sure thing for this arc). Turns out it was Maul.

Why didn't Dooku order Ventress's escape pod destroyed?

There were so many holes in the last act....easy entry on Dooku's ship by Anakin/Obi-Wan being another. Anakin getting his ass kicked despite being a chosen one. (Sith lords ain't your speciality, or Obi-Wan's).

Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Matt_Fury on January 22, 2011, 03:09 PM
I doubt anyone in the Star Wars universe actually dies.  If they ever do an episode 7, we'll find that The Emperor, Vader, all those pilots, ewoks and construction workers all survived as well.   ::)
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Scott on January 22, 2011, 06:53 PM
I doubt anyone in the Star Wars universe actually dies.  If they ever do an episode 7, we'll find that The Emperor, Vader, all those pilots, ewoks and construction workers all survived as well.   ::)
Or they will all be Force Ghosts :P

I liked how this ended but agree with bringing Maul and Qui Gon back seems more like a marketing ploy for Episode I than anything...I guess I'd rather see them push more of the other Jedi like Saesee Tiin, Q-Tip head guy (Who never died on camera), Pablo Jill and Coleman Trebor etc than recycle old plot lines...or start trying to delve into the OT like I said in my other thread...

Pre/Post Clone Wars Ideas
 (http://www.jedidefender.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=21109.0)
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: McMetal on January 24, 2011, 10:36 AM
I've sort of felt the same, at times, about Cad Bane - as cool as I think he is.  It seems like they really want to make sure you know these new baddies are "bad ass" or something.  I can understand either of them being good fighters, and maybe even taking out some red-shirt Jedis or something, but as far as I'm concerned - particularly in the case of Bane - if they run across a Jedi the level of Windu, Kenobi, or Skywalker, they should be toast.  Same thing with Oppress.  Not only does he somewhat easily handle Kenobi and Skywalker at the same time, he also seemed to do pretty well against Dooku and Ventress, despite just "learning" the dark side very recently.  I suppose it has something to do the powering up the Nightsisters gave him and everything, but it seemed a little extreme.

Dude, I could not agree with you more, and I have railed about this often. The Bad Guys win too much on this show, to the point it stretches credulity. And seriously, we have about 20 different villains now - I don't think anyone will be traumatized if Filoni starts trimming the herd. Oppress really should have died at the end of this arc.

I though the lightsaber duel was pretty exciting, but like in every movie I have ever seen, one person sits around and waits for the other to attack. Simultaneous apprarently is not part of the Sith dueling vocabulary.

Darth Maul? DARTH MAUL?!?! AYFKM? This is so contrived and ridiculous it is beyond words. Is he gonna have his robot legs too?  ::)


WORST..PLOT SWERVE...EVER.




Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Jabba the Slug on January 24, 2011, 08:08 PM
I though the lightsaber duel was pretty exciting, but like in every movie I have ever seen, one person sits around and waits for the other to attack. Simultaneous apprarently is not part of the Sith dueling vocabulary.

I couldn't agree more with you on this one, I thought it stood out most on the Dooku assassination attempt in the 1st episode of the arc - one person strikes while Dooku defends, and the 2 others just stand there twirling their lightsabers.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: EpicGon on January 26, 2011, 12:11 AM
The matriarchy is the most subrepticious clan in the galaxy, those sisters conspire defying both Jedi and Sith
females from Dathomir tyranise males.

I am not against the tv show, but I think is some way rushed to make Savage so powerful in so a short time (2 episodes) he evades Anakin and Obi Wan, so Filoni and team couldn´t ruin the reputation of the heroes, I am not saying he pretends that, perhaps some zabraks are powerful force sensitives, but in the next episodes, to revindicate the Jedi order
it would be fine if Anakin or Obi Wan deliver Opress some kicks in the face, to relief their tension.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: McMetal on January 28, 2011, 09:47 AM
They got Pernilla August to reprise her role as Shmi on tonight's episode. Nice.

If there's one thing they can do with this coming Chosen One arc, it's to finally right a ridiculous wrong from the films and establish Anakin's true parentage once and for all.

Secrets Revealed? HOW ABOUT REVEALING HE ACTUALLY HAS A DAD?

Seriously, that immaculate conception crap was just too asinine for words, IMO. This is an excellent opportunity for them to ret-con that into an actually sensible answer. (And none of this midichlorian junk - they only non-insemination explanation I will go for is the one about Darth Plagueis "creating" Anakin's life force within Shmi, and even that is a real stretch)
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Jabba the Slug on January 28, 2011, 07:22 PM
Secrets Revealed? HOW ABOUT REVEALING HE ACTUALLY HAS A DAD?

I thought the immaculate conception thing was actually pretty interesting, it distinguishes him as a living  product of the Force, ya know?

It'd be nice if somehow Darth Plagius made his way into one of these episodes as a Force Ghost - isn't it implied in ROTS that he could create life through the Force?
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: McMetal on January 28, 2011, 10:44 PM
I don't know how that will go over with all the fans, but I thought that episode was cool as ****!
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Scockery on January 28, 2011, 11:21 PM
I don't know what to think of it. Future Ahsoka has some long lekku (and still wears the same clothes).

The beginning relied a bit too heavily on narration set-up. THIS ALL HAPPENED, now off with our heroes to the place.

The force is powerful, maybe we should ask Master Sifo Dyas what was up with the clone army...nah. He's not returning calls anyway.



Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Jesse James on January 29, 2011, 01:14 AM
I'd laugh if this arc ended with Anakin waking up next to a naked Padme, after they've both been on a glitterstim trip or something.  Suckin' the galaxy far far away's glass saber, as it were.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: GrandMoffNick on January 29, 2011, 08:44 AM
Interesting......... but.............. um.............. I don't know. Little too far out there for me. I like the drug trip idea Jesse.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: tmanthegreat on January 29, 2011, 11:35 AM
That episode was a Star Wars trip-fest, but then again, it was a rather cool show.  It did a few things namely for the development of Anakin and Obi Wan's characters that were never quite explored in the prequals and which were very much needed...

1) It sort of tied things up between Obi Wan and Qui Gon with regards to Anakin's training and possible future.  I loved how Obi Wan sort of had the chance to "vent" to Qui Gon's Force Ghost about how he had trained Anakin as best he could, but that the boy still remained passionate and impulsive.  A scene like that would have been perfect in Episode II or III, but alas...

2) The episode sort of gave a chance to see Anakin greive and reflect on the guilt he feels for the loss of his mother in a way that was not really done outside of Episode II, but which ultimately defines his transformation into Vader.  I like how the creature (in the form of his mother) cautioned him not to let his guilt define him and then warned him that his love for Padme, etc is actually a prison...   

3) It explored the significance of Anakin being the "chosen one" and what that possibly meant in regards to keeping balance to the Force.  It was for the greater good of the universe that Anakin stayed at that place to maintain the ballance between light and dark and notice how at the end of the episode, Anakin selfishly gave it up and left...

Just my thoughts.  I rather enjoyed it ;)
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Darby on January 29, 2011, 12:08 PM
Those are all very good points.  Trippy as it was, it did flesh out some things that should have been in the movies.  Qui Gon - why doesn't Obi Wan question what he is at all?  They need to reconcile this with the scene at the end of ROTS.

Was this Qui Gon?  Or a false image like Shmi?
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Scockery on January 29, 2011, 12:44 PM
Those are all very good points.  Trippy as it was, it did flesh out some things that should have been in the movies.  Qui Gon - why doesn't Obi Wan question what he is at all?  They need to reconcile this with the scene at the end of ROTS.

Was this Qui Gon?  Or a false image like Shmi?

QUi Gon seemed to impartial to the trio. Why would a false image warn Obi-Wan that there were 3 beings there who sought to control Anakin's destiny? The Shmi image was trying to push Anakin in a certain direction.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Jabba the Slug on January 29, 2011, 02:12 PM
The dialogue between Anakin and Shmi's apparition was just great - it was also a first for this type of dialogue for Anakin in the entire show. Usually we hear the Jedi Knight side of him, but in this episode you actually hear him reflect and get more personal.

I loved Ahsoka's vision, I thought it was interesting that her future self warned little Ahsoka that Anakin's been planting dark side seeds within her. Makes you all the more interested in her future...
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Brian on January 31, 2011, 02:27 PM
I can see why some felt that last episode was a little bit trippy, but I really enjoyed it.  The various visions were each kind of cool in their way (Qui-Gon, Shmi, Ahsoka), and Anakin really had some nice moments as well.  Looking forward to the rest of the arc.  Although it has only been a handful of episodes so far, I think the second "half" of the season that kicked off with the Oppress arc has really been more entertaining than the first half (with some exceptions).
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Scott on January 31, 2011, 02:36 PM
Obi-wan kept bringing up that the place they were in WAS the Force.  So while the Son and Daughter were causing the appiritions, there is no reason to believe they weren't who they were supposed to be  ie that actually was Qui Gon and Shmi and Future Ahsoka.

At least in my mind   
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: 501ST on January 31, 2011, 06:06 PM
Overlords delivered aplenty of goodness and is my fave episode thus far of Season III.

The Savage Arc was disappointing only in that it was too short - three episodes I hear you say?

Well count how many political ones there's been and then compare.

Anyhoo OT: Overlords 10/10 from me.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Matt_Fury on January 31, 2011, 11:31 PM
The more I watch this show the less I like it.  With Qui Gonn showing up as a ghost here it completely ruins the end of ROTS.  Why was Obi-Wan surprised to hear Qui Gonn is able to communicate with the living when he's already talked with him?!

For that matter, why is Qui Gonn asking questions about how Anakin was trained?  We're supposed to believe he's been watching all along since he tried to stop him from killing the Sandpeople in AOTC.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: McMetal on February 1, 2011, 09:54 AM
The more I watch this show the less I like it.  With Qui Gonn showing up as a ghost here it completely ruins the end of ROTS.  Why was Obi-Wan surprised to hear Qui Gonn is able to communicate with the living when he's already talked with him?!

For that matter, why is Qui Gonn asking questions about how Anakin was trained?  We're supposed to believe he's been watching all along since he tried to stop him from killing the Sandpeople in AOTC.

1) Because his experience on Mortis was so far outside the realm of human experience that Obi-Wan probably suspected it was a dream, or an apparition, or manifestation of his subconscious. We don't really even know yet if that really WAS Qui-Gonn. We know the Son was impersonating Shmi, and it's a safe assumption that the Daughter was impersonating future-Ahsoka. Maybe the Qui-Gonn vision was the work of the Father, trying to glean more clues about the path of the Chosen One.


2) As far as the line of questions, again, not sure that was really Qui-Gonn. It could have been the Father or possibly even one of the siblings trying to find out more information about Anakin. Or maybe it WAS Qui-Gonn, and he just wanted to hear Obi-Wan's assessment of the training to this point. Or more to the point, he wanted to hear his "point of view" because so many of the truths we cling to depend on our POV, yadda yadda yadda.

I really think the brilliance of an episode like this is that it does lend itself to interpretation and allows enough wiggle room to satisfactorily explain away most of the weirder elements. (Like where is the sunlight coming from?) I also think it opens up some really interesting questions about the Force itself, and the fact that the Sith and Jedi are just practitioners, and not really the end all be all of the various paths.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: 501ST on February 1, 2011, 11:50 PM
When did Qui-Gon-Jinn have an extra 'n' added to his middle name???
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Lestat on February 2, 2011, 03:56 PM
I am enjoying this show. However, like the rest of you I'm having trouble with how it seems to go out of it's way to contradict previous canon. I was saying in another thread that I almost wish this were an alternate timeline or something. At least then we don't know how everything turns out in the end.

The last episode was...interesting. This arch has been advertised as revealing the "Origin of the Force" but I thought we already knew that? I was pretty satisfied with Yoda's explanation in ESB and never really thought about it beyond that.

Something that has been bugging me is how, no matter how dire the situation, no one ever seems particularly concerned. I know these are cocky jedi and all but all of the power to your ship goes out (including life support) and no one is anymore concerned than if they lost the remote control. 
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Jesse James on February 3, 2011, 03:08 AM
The thing about "canon" is Lucas has basically said that it's only canon when he says it is, and that if he isn't writing it then he doesn't give a rat's ass.  That's what makes me even look at what he writes with some skepticism at this point...

Then again, that could've been the prequals that made me think that too.

Either way though, this goes to my reply to your point in the other thread, that nothing is "canon" unless Lucas says so, and he only says so on what he has his hands involved in any capacity.  That's why LFL has always said the rest is just part of their blanket "Official Continuity" response.  It's a clever way for them to disevow things Lucas decides he wants to explore more of when he decides he needs more money.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Lestat on February 3, 2011, 12:19 PM
Either way though, this goes to my reply to your point in the other thread, that nothing is "canon" unless Lucas says so, and he only says so on what he has his hands involved in any capacity.  That's why LFL has always said the rest is just part of their blanket "Official Continuity" response.  It's a clever way for them to disevow things Lucas decides he wants to explore more of when he decides he needs more money.

I get that and agree with you. I just think it's crap. I don't specifically care that a canon exists or that it doesn't, just make a decision and stick with it. I mean no one gets irritated when Batman:TAS doesn't gel with what happens in batman begins because they aren't supposed to match up. Between the comics, two cartoon shows, and the movies there are at least four different batman continuities going at the same time right now and it works just fine. It's when you say that everything is a part of a larger puzzle and don't go to the trouble to make sure the pieces fit that people get annoyed.

Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Jesse James on February 3, 2011, 08:13 PM
Eh, I can't say it annoys me...  It's like NJO.

I like probably 50% of NJO, and hate the other 50%. 

I like Luke's story re-establishing the Jedi, and how all these force-sensitives existed and he's gathered them up (some were soldiers in the war even, like Kyle Katarn, Keyan Farlander...  Others were found and exploited, like Maarek Steele and Mara Jade) to train them properly and stuff... 

Other stuff I thought was lame, like the Yuzahn Vong's blatant rip-off of Star Trek aliens that were around at basically the same time, and offing Chewbacca as a publicity stunt.  So, basically, I just sorta ignore what I dislike and embrace what I enjoyed...  Lucas has so thoroughly screwed things up to me, in terms of Star Wars, that I figure he's no better than Timmothy Zahn, a Lucasarts game's storyline, or the latest Darkhorse series.  *shrugs*

If it doesn't fit I either try to think of a logical reason it could fit, or I just ignore it.  That goes for Clone wars too.  I like some of the EU storylines that were out better than what the toon put out that contradicted them.  It is what it is. 
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: McMetal on February 4, 2011, 09:27 AM
Sam "Starkiller" Witwer was the voice of The Son?

I did not know that. Will be curious to listen more closely tonight.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Jabba the Slug on February 4, 2011, 01:06 PM
It would be cool if instead of making all-new episodes that go out of their way to contradict previously-established canon, episodes were made based off of comic book stories or novels. I'm sure that would require buying the rights to the stories (right?), but it'd be cool to see, say, the Battle of Jabiim in the new animated format.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Jesse James on February 4, 2011, 05:02 PM
I doubt it.  Anything SW, Lucas owns.  I think he just feels most of the EU is ****.  He used to openly say that about Fett coming back to life, and how he never intended that, and how silly the idea was that Fett got barfed up because he couldn't be digested...  And how to him, Fett's dead.  It used to outrage Fett fanatics who loved that the EU brought him back and kinda made him a decent guy.

Lucas just doesn't really care.  I'd dig seeing the Jabiim stuff make the toon too by the way.  It takes place relatively soon after AOTC though.  Ani's hair was short and he had a braid yet anyway I believe.  Not that jumping around the timeline ever stopped them.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Scockery on February 5, 2011, 01:00 AM
  Other stuff I thought was lame, like the Yuzahn Vong's blatant rip-off of Star Trek aliens that were around at basically the same time, and offing Chewbacca as a publicity stunt.  

I thought they were a rip off Cobra-La and/or the Tyrannids from Warhammer 40K. With some Hellraiser thrown in, maybe.

In regards to the Overlords arc...all three of those force wielders need to die, really. The Jedi and Sith already have too much power (Look at the destruction their rivalry has caused), three demi-gods...does anyone wonder how the normal people feel about all these superpowered types running around? That's what the arc is missing. A person who says "all you force users are too dangerous".

It was sooo noble of the daughter who was dying anyway, to revive Ahsoka. Wow. The light side is sooo awesome.  ::)
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: GrandMoffNick on February 5, 2011, 09:19 AM
Three "people" that apparently are all that matter to the force? Light person dead so, oh now we know why Anakin turns into Vader. But otherwise know one else knows about these people or cares if they do.

When does Luke go to his force planet and defeat the darkside person so he can defeat the Emperor and turn Vader back?

This story is just too out there (and I love me my EU stuff).
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Lestat on February 5, 2011, 02:17 PM
This story arc is really weird. I thought the characters were manifestations of the force. I didn't really get how they could die as they didn't seem to be people. Hopefully the third episode will explain all of this. I wish they would show Anakin at least being tempted by the Dark side. He never seems the least bit interested in doing anything even a little evil. I was hoping that the show would showcase his journey to the dark side a little more. In the movie he takes a couple of baby steps towards the dark side and then all of a sudden he's ready to murder children.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: iFett on February 5, 2011, 04:39 PM
My DVR poo'd out last night.   :(
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Jabba the Slug on February 5, 2011, 06:02 PM
I missed the episode last night and wanted to see it this morning... except it wasn't on. >:(

SHOOT. I'll catch it on the Official Site later this week.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Phantom-like Menace on February 8, 2011, 10:55 AM
So the commentary talks about these three episodes being metaphor, and Filoni mentions the cave on Dagobah, and how they needed to keep that in mind while writing it. Whether or not it felt like that, that was the intent.

I figure the reason Obi-Wan didn't make a big deal about Qui-Gon is fairly easy to explain. Jedi have visions and dreams all the time. They're nothing to make a big deal of. It'd be like you or I wondering if someone in our dream last night was really there or a dream. When Yoda tells Obi-Wan he'll be communing with Qui-Gon, I suppose Obi-Wan figures Yoda knows the difference between a vision and actual contact from beyond death.

I see the Force Wielders in three possible ways. Maybe they're basically nobodies, and they've convinced themselves this whole balance issue is all about them, and actually nothing they do has any effect on anything. Maybe they're one small part of balancing the Force, so while Son's winning may have tipped the scales more toward imbalance, it simply makes it harder to balance it later. Finally, maybe this is way more abstract than any of that. Maybe none of this meant anything and this was simply the way the three of them interpreted the Force letting them know the imbalance was becoming greater and they should do more to act against it. Given that metaphor was intended, I'm leaning toward the latter.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Jabba the Slug on February 8, 2011, 11:20 PM
Has anyone noticed that when the Son speaks, it sounds like Vader or Palps sometimes?

Sam Witwer even said something about this in a commentary article, that, as the Dark Side embodied, his characters embodies the major villains sometimes.

It could be heard in the first episode, but it's more apparent in this second episode: the way the Son says "My friend" to Anakin at the beginning of the episode, he drags the syllable on 'friend' like Palps does in ROTJ. And also in the scene where the Son is looking on at Ahsoka vs. Obi and Ani, he says 'sister' similar the way Vader does in ROTJ to Luke on the DSII. 
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Post by: Jesse James on February 11, 2011, 02:13 AM
Soooooooooo....

Tarkin is making an appearance?  An OT character that certainly makes sense. 

He calls Darth Vader his friend.  He knows and acknolwedges the Jedi in Vader.  He doesn't fear Vader and actually seemed to hold rank over him to some degree. 

Tarkin (and Peter Cushing to be more precise) is a favorite of mine.  I have always loved his character because he's the embodiment of the Empire to me.  Even moreso than Vader of the Emperor.

Tarkin is the power-hungry.  He's the every-man who is willing to kill for this new way of life he envisions for the galaxy.  He's the kind of guy who looks at the Empire as serving his own ideals though, as it makes people like him have an avenue that they wouldn't have had under any legitimate democracy.  He's ruthless and cold, like the weapons of the Empire.  He's distinctly British and we all know that equates pure evil. ;D  He's not all-powerful, but his posture is as though he is as dark and evil as any force-wielder.  He's the career soldier who sees opportunity to make himself stand out in the eyes of his superiors in a time of chaos.

Tarkin, to me, is the prototype for Grand Admiral Thrawn's character...  I like the pure humanity gone awry aspect of them, and that he's just a person, nothing special other than maybe his intelligence, tactical ability, personality, etc.  It's always how I envisioned the Empire.  Not as Clones, but more like the average people taking advantage of the times they live in to institute their ideals.

The Clones were merely a tool to get there...  Once the war ended and the political landscape changed drastically, then the true evil oozed out of the galaxy and Tarkin was the worst of them.  It's very similar to history at various points, and so I've always felt Tarkin had that special tie to human history that made the OT so special.

I love seeing that they're going to delve into a character's backstory that makes sense though.  I just hope they do it justice.  Cushing really made Tarkin evil through his acting, and I'd hate to see The Clone Wars diminish the character in any way.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: McMetal on February 11, 2011, 09:05 AM
Well, he must do something pretty spectaular to leapfrog over Admiral Yularen, who is still alive as of ANH. If he goes from Captain to Grand Moff, dude must have done something besides kiss-ass. I would hope the TCW arc explores that and shows why he is able to ascend ranks so rapidly in the coming years.
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Post by: Scott on February 11, 2011, 10:18 AM
Wonder if this is some sort of Death Star tie-in too?  Dooku has the plans, right?   I get that Sidious can get it from Dooku but it would be cooler if the Republic somehow gets the plans.  This whole plot point wasn't ever really explained in the movies
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Post by: Jabba the Slug on February 12, 2011, 03:40 AM
I hope there's some sort of foreshadowing as to the Vader/Tarkin relationship in the next TCW episode.

As for last night's episode, I think the ending pretty much wrapped up the fact that we're not really sure if this actually happened - it doesn't even seem that Anakin, Obi, and Ahsoka are exactly sure whether it was an actual occurence or if it was just some loopy Force trick.

Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Scott on February 12, 2011, 04:20 PM
Very weird three episode Arc...to me the best scene was the Vader/Future stuff, although I'm not quite sure why Anakin so quickly thought that the Son was telling the truth and only by joining him would the stuff not happen.  But have the Father remove those visions from his memory was also somewhat lame. 

I agree that the quick time warp thing (Lion Witch and the Wardrobesque) will make them think it never happened

Really looking forward to the Tarkin episodes, Carbon freezing, Even Piell, Tarkin...oh my!
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Post by: McMetal on February 12, 2011, 09:20 PM
Yeah, kind of a weak Star Trek-y ending there.

I loved the Son talking about joining with Anakin and crushing the Emperor. That's a battle I would have loved to have seen.

All in all, I loved this arc and found it a lot more creative and interesting than the poisoned school drinks or whatever. I hope they do more offbeat stuff like this in the future...great fodder for new figures too.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Jabba the Slug on February 13, 2011, 07:03 PM
It would have been cool if maybe some alternate future was shown to Anakin, where he had not turned to the dark side. Becoming a Jedi Master, living happily with Padme, had he not gone into kid-killing psycho and all.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: McMetal on February 18, 2011, 08:26 AM
Hmmm...Chewbacca? I think they need to be careful about dragging in too many of the OT/PT characters, they've kind of gone overboard this season. It's a nice touch, but like celebrity guest voices on the Simpsons, best if done infrequently.

Still, I'd buy an animated Chewie in a heartbeat. Ditto Tarkin.

Psyched for "The Citadel"!
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Greg on February 18, 2011, 08:53 AM
Hmmm...Chewbacca? I think they need to be careful about dragging in too many of the OT/PT characters, they've kind of gone overboard this season. It's a nice touch, but like celebrity guest voices on the Simpsons, best if done infrequently.

So far the appearances make sense. Chewie apparently lives forever (like other Wookiees), Tarkin  and Yularen were old in ANH, and Yoda & Boba popped up in the prequels. We'll be in trouble when Han and Lando pop up.   
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: P-Siddy on February 18, 2011, 08:57 AM
Having Chewie on will hopefully mean that Yoda will go to Kashyyyk for a mission and form that special bond with the Wookiees that was mentioned in Sith.
Hopefully it won't entail rescuing a Corellian orphan destined for greatness.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Master_Phruby on February 18, 2011, 09:05 AM
I thought it was the other way around. The Corellian orphan rescues Chewie. Well, at least Chewie looks better than he did in ROTS. The ROTS costume didn't look anything like Chewbacca.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: P-Siddy on February 18, 2011, 11:39 AM
I was thinking of a young Han, but older Han supposedly saves Chewie from Imperial slavery. But you never know with Lucas changing things here and there. I guess Chewie and Tarkin will be in the same arc.
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Post by: tmanthegreat on February 18, 2011, 01:16 PM
Please no young Han Solo... Chewbaca in ROTS with Yoda (and now here on Clone Wars) was pushing it and I hope they don't go that far with Solo.  Something tells me they will eventually, however.  I am stoked about Tarkin in tonights episode, however :)
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: McMetal on February 18, 2011, 01:36 PM
I was thinking of a young Han, but older Han supposedly saves Chewie from Imperial slavery. But you never know with Lucas changing things here and there. I guess Chewie and Tarkin will be in the same arc.

Chewie is actually part of the 2 part finale season airing April 1st I believe. Tarkin is part of the new arc that begins tonight. Maybe he will show up as a semi-recurring character though, that would make sense.
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Post by: Scockery on February 18, 2011, 01:47 PM
You'd think Yoda would be the one with Chewbacca..."good relations with the wookies". But Yoda hasn't done squat all season, has he?

Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: 501ST on February 18, 2011, 06:11 PM
Tarkin will be interesting as will seeing Even Piell for the first time in action.

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Post by: Scott on February 18, 2011, 10:07 PM
Wow!  A+++ tonight.  I want a CW Ugnaught!! 
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Post by: Scockery on February 18, 2011, 10:22 PM
Good episode.

I found the carbonite scene was the most  ::) eye-rolling scene in a long time. Oh, yeah, we have a carbon freezing chamber right here on coruscant in our hanger...operated by an ugnaught...with lighting like that in Bespin's carbon freezing chamber.

Hey, maybe they can reissue that old playset for Clone Wars...sure it's not wholly accurate.

C-3PO appeared only for R2-translating exposition purposes.  I don't mind seeing him, but his scene could've handed to anyone, especially since he didn't have any stated reason to be where he was.

The prison commander was a bit "sinister looking alien with a creepy personality" stereotype they use a lot (at least he's not an anthropomorphic spider). Might make a good figure, though...if he even has a name.

Odd mix of Clones...the two ARCs (Echo and I forget the other one), Rex and Cody (doesn't he have an army to command?) and some inconsitently colored guys who are all doomed.

Tarkin talking smack right out the bat, Filoni, are you sure his role shoudn't have been assigned to Admiral Motti?

Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: P-Siddy on February 19, 2011, 12:07 AM
And carbon freezing didn't hurt a single one of them... nor much hibernation sickness. I guess only Han is fated to have that rare side-effect. I expected to see some anguished looks on their blocks. Plus wasn't carbon-freezing already used in one of the story lines? I know it was used in one of the kid's clone wars books that I perused at the library.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: EpicGon on February 19, 2011, 12:29 AM
Citadel:

a smart way to justify the carbon freeze hibernation before esb is to think or write in sw databank that it was a procedure still in development at cw time. So, besides the contradictory more complex multi freeze chamber, what matters is the result (maybe a shorter period of hibernation guaranteed with that machine)

This also contradicts the stament of potf2 Freeze chamber Han; that Solo was the fisrt human frozen in carbonite, and Vader lines saying the machine is rudementary and the process had to be tested first on Solo. (Bizarre it was tested 30 years ago on him)

Tarkin looked very rots Tarkin, but they intended to imitate Cushing´s diction. Something of the character missed, like his presence. I know, the character is in evolution.

They have accomplish very well the explosions of the corridors, mimicking some Episode I scenes of the doomed battle droids.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Jesse James on February 19, 2011, 03:16 AM
Wow!  A+++ tonight.  I want a CW Ugnaught!! 

Screw the Ugnaught, I want CW Tarkin!  ;D  :-*

Seriously though this was a great episode tonight.  Tarkin's sinister side seems apparant even without him being involved a lot.  I like that he and Anakin argue...  It reminded me of ANH, though come ANH Tarkin seems to have the upper-hand in rank to a degree.

I like that they said Tarkin's memorized half of them as did a Jedi master (who I thought was LONG dead?).  It sort of shows his intelligence I think. 

The whole set-up was great though...  The Citadel reminds me of Imperial Prison from Dark Forces.  If you haven't seen that prison, here's the deal...  It's a secluded prison on a desolate planet.  It's the Empire's max security place for traitors and such.  Crix Madine's there and you (Kyle Katarn) are to get him out because he's got some info on the Darktrooper project, blah blah blah.

Anyway the prison is similar looking to the Citadel...  It really is cool, and I cannot imagine they didn't at least take some isnpiration from that.

Then the details...  The lasers and cameras in the episode are like an enhanced version of what we saw in ANH's detention block ya know?  It's like that's what you wish you'd seen in the movie, how the gun ports shot in specific arcs to lock people in and keep others out, while maybe killing folks attempting to run away.

Even the freaky guy running the prison was really cool and not over-the-top. 

Color me really impressed.  Even my gf liked this episode, and she's sort of souring on Star Wars these days.  :-[  It's pretty slick how this episode worked out though and it looks like it has a lot of cool stuff to go in episode 2 for this arc.  I can't wait.

And Tarkin just rocks...  Plus it sort of explained a good reason to use Carbonite too, when they said what they're carrying.  Wasn't it like frozen food?  Carbonite's the Star Wars cooler on wheels I guess.

To last week's episode (also just got to watch this), I liked it well enough...  That 3-story arc was really more for the die-hard fans I think, and even then it was losing me a little bit.  It was too trippy.  It still didn't make much sense to me really.  And my "They wake up from a dream" joke was a little prophetic... :-\  It was like the end of the Newhart Show.  I kinda got an inkling that was coming when the bright light kicked in and stuff.

I will say, and I think someone mentioned this and I totally didn't get it because I didn't watch the episode last week (stupid Toy Fair!), but basically I really think Hasbro should've included the fold-up Jedi Rascal Scooters with the new Republic Shuttle.  I actually would be more inclined to want it if they included folding speeder accessories. :)  Here's to hoping Hasbro makes those as a pack-in to an Obi and Ani at some point because I REALLY liked those.  They just made sense on many levels.

Anyway, great episode tonight...  Last 3, eh...  Not bad, but weird.  Tonight, total redemption.  Worth the wait, and barely any build-up.  Surprising.  Tonight's was the Landing at Point Rain of season 3.  Hat's off.

And NO young Han Solo.  Please.  I like Han's backstory as it is...  ex-Imperial, saves Chewie during his early time in the Empire and not during the Clone Wars as what I'd guess would be a kid.  I really don't want them going there.  Chewbacca's bad enough that he's turning up in the life of Anakin again through Ahsoka.  I'd rather he hung out with Yoda or something since that's at least established already.

Looking forward to next week bigtime.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Jayson on February 19, 2011, 07:40 AM
And carbon freezing didn't hurt a single one of them... nor much hibernation sickness. I guess only Han is fated to have that rare side-effect. I expected to see some anguished looks on their blocks. Plus wasn't carbon-freezing already used in one of the story lines? I know it was used in one of the kid's clone wars books that I perused at the library.

The lack hibernation sickness can be explained away because they were all frozen for a short time. Han was frozen for months.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: 501ST on February 19, 2011, 11:08 AM
The lack hibernation sickness can be explained away because they were all frozen for a short time. Han was frozen for months.

This

Citadel episode was a return to Classic SW storyline style.

Any story can be picked apart with the right or wrong approach but this was a more "honest" story IMO.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Darby on February 19, 2011, 11:46 AM
The good:

The reasoning behind using carbonite. 

Echo and Fives!

Tarkin!

Old fashioned SW fun.

We're seeing indirect impact of Anakin's fear of losing Ahoska on her development (also explains why she's not always around).

The bad:

The carbonite process apparently works just fine on people, so why the concern in Empire?  It works so well that it made the entire process too easy.  They basically walk in to the prison.  Some clones die inside, but it would have been more dramatic if the carbonite process failed in some cases or left some of them unable to continue.
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Post by: tmanthegreat on February 19, 2011, 12:21 PM
That was a fun episode. 

On one hand, the story wasn't completely original as it has a basic premise we've seen in many previous episodes throughout the series: Anakin, Obi Wan, Asoka, and the clones getting sent to rescue a Jedi holding some sort of valuable information we've never heard of before (but on which the whole fate of the galaxy rests) in some sort of impenetrable location.  On the other hand, the episode brought in new - and old - characters and works to set up the key relationship between Anakin/Vader and Tarkin in ANH, which I liked 8)

The whole Citadel interior really reminded me of the Death Star Detention Block from ANH more than anything else (and it was kind of fitting to see Tarkin in that setting).  I kept waiting for someone to blast a hole in a wall and all our heroes go sliding into the garbage chute :P

Nice to see Phase II armor appearing more often on Clones as well, even now some of the main ones.

My biggest beef with the episode was the carbon freezing thing.  It was just too thrown in there and too cheesy.  Don't they already have scanner-proof compartments that they could hide in like on the Falcon?  In ESB, Lando and even Vader expressed too much concern over the process of freezing a person in carbonite (heck, Vader didn't want Luke damaged by carbon freezing, so he tested it on Han Solo - and there was surprise that he lived) yet this episode made it seem as though the process was completely routine, harmless, normal, and that one could have a carbon freezing chamber (complete with Ugnaut) right in their own hanger.  In some respects, the carbon freezing sequence in this CW episode diminishes the drama and danger of the carbon freezing scene from ESB, which was always one of the most emotionally powerful of any scene in the Star Wars saga, at least in my opinion. 

I did, however, like the wisecrack about not wanting to wind up as a wall decoration ;)   

   
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: P-Siddy on February 19, 2011, 02:39 PM
Another gripe I had with the recent episode is with Obi-Wan's character. He seems like he's too unconcerned about things that go awry. He's kind of seen as a "oh, well. I'm not too worried about this unexplained power outage" and willing to go for the fight. That's how I see Anakin and some of the other Jedi, who Yoda said were proud, etc. I've always seen him like Yoda. Goes for wisdom first, then action when the situation is dire... like the negotiator he is.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Matt_Fury on February 19, 2011, 06:58 PM
So Vader knew Han Solo would be fine if frozen...so why test it?

I also didn't know Even Piel was russian.   :D
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: iFett on February 19, 2011, 07:48 PM
Nice show with plenty of action!  I definitely don't miss the political hogwash.  Aside from all other comments I caught a bit of Scarface from the prison alien guy for some reason.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Jesse James on February 19, 2011, 09:28 PM
The carbonite use being questioned in esb makes me wonder if it's just not a common (if ever) used thing in Star Wars so everyone questions its use in ESB while Vader is confident it'll be fine because he obviously has used it before.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Jabba the Slug on February 20, 2011, 03:25 AM
I also didn't know Even Piel was russian.   :D

And according to the Official Site, "he" is also played by a woman! :o
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Jesse James on February 21, 2011, 02:11 AM
She's a smoker I take it?  Or Herman Munster-ish.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Jesse James on February 21, 2011, 08:17 PM
An interesting video pertaining to the Carbonite stuff in last episode...  It didn't address the Hybernation Sickness though.  To me that was a bigger question than what they were answering.  I thought it was completely plausible that Vader had done that before, otherwise how could he be so sure?

Still though, no sickness answer but interesting nonetheless.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: 501ST on February 21, 2011, 11:54 PM
An interesting video pertaining to the Carbonite stuff in last episode...  It didn't address the Hybernation Sickness though.  To me that was a bigger question than what they were answering.  I thought it was completely plausible that Vader had done that before, otherwise how could he be so sure?

Still though, no sickness answer but interesting nonetheless.

First of all Han was in hiberation wayyy beyond the timeframe it's meant to be used for and if the rules of biology apply somewhat the same as here - then the metabolism of an indivdual would differ and have a differing effect on each individual.

All of the persons in carbonite were only in it for a short period of time.

Would not be surprised if the above explanation (in more or less the same words) was tendered by Dave Filoni or George Lucas if they were asked this question.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Jabba the Slug on February 22, 2011, 01:00 AM
An interesting video pertaining to the Carbonite stuff in last episode...  It didn't address the Hybernation Sickness though. 

I thought it was really funny the way he addressed it, he sorta sighed and said something like, "Something fans have problems with is...". I personally didn't think he addressed the issue well enough, he shrugged off the Ugnaught being there as, "Ugnaughts are the best carbon freezers in the galaxy."

Just saw the episode today, wow!, it was great, I can't believe Even Piell is voiced by a woman! :o It'd be interesting to see what she looks like...

Something I caught interesting was when Anakin said that if the Separatists caught ahold of the Nexus Routes (the hyperspace lanes that were so important), then they could gain access to Coruscant. If Filoni plays his cards right and ends this arc with the Separatists getting ahold of those routes, then it'll tie in directly to the original CW series and ROTS with the Separatist attack on Coruscant... seriously, I hope that's how this arc ends.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Phantom-like Menace on February 22, 2011, 03:11 AM
I haven't seen the episode, and I haven't seen the note we're referencing that Even Piell is played by a woman. However, I know the original character in Episode I was played by a female actor in make-up as a male character. Could there be some confusion, and they merely mean the original on-screen Even Piell was a female while the voice actor in the episode is male? Again, I've seen neither the episode nor the note, so I could be talking crazy.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: McMetal on February 22, 2011, 11:47 AM
Something I caught interesting was when Anakin said that if the Separatists caught ahold of the Nexus Routes (the hyperspace lanes that were so important), then they could gain access to Coruscant. If Filoni plays his cards right and ends this arc with the Separatists getting ahold of those routes, then it'll tie in directly to the original CW series and ROTS with the Separatist attack on Coruscant... seriously, I hope that's how this arc ends.

I was thinking the same thing...it would dove-tail nicely with the abduction of Palps. But even moreso I was thinking how absurd the whole concept of "hyperspace lanes" is...I mean, WTF? How is that even possible conceptually?

I thought it was a great episode..I really love everything they do with the backgrounds, landscapes, etc. The animation is really top notch in places. Agreed this was great fodder for new figures too...ARCs, Tarkin, Piell, the Warden, EV-9D9, etc.

The carbon freezing thing didn't bug me too much, and it was kind of a cool goof that they threw in the Ugnaught. i thought it was way more of a stretch that some impenetrable, high security fortress like that would just allow in an unannounced, unscheduled shuttle that just happens to show up with food supplies.

is there anyone else even imprisoned there? Seems like a big waste of money to design a prison to hold Jedi and just keep one dude there. From Anakin's comment, the Citadel seemed like something that pre-dated the Clone Wars, maybe even designed by the Jedi themselves. And they had at least 2-3 heavy cruisers orbiting above the planet too!

The only thing that struck a false note with me really was Tarkin, which was a disappointment. I don't think the voice actor really captured his inflection or mannerisms at all. Plus he came off as a complete whiny a-hole. I get they wanted to create some friction with Anakin, but it seemed forced and out of character to me. Maybe there is more to the story here though. I almost wonder if he isn't some kind of traitor or double agent. He seemed VERY keen on sticking with Piell so that all the info would be in one place and easily obtained upon capture. You could actually see his eyes narrow in anger when Piell rejects his plan.

Are they off this week?
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Scockery on February 22, 2011, 01:05 PM
Yeah, two week wait until the next part while they run some special stupid junk. Nice scheduling there, Cartoon Network.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Jesse James on February 22, 2011, 04:28 PM
Disagree 100% on Tarkin...  I thought the actor pulled off a great Cushing voice and the animators picked up on his eye movements from A New Hope really well... 

I also thought his interjections were anything but whiney.  He's confident to the point of cockiness...  That's hardly an unknown trait in him.  He questions his superior's orders openly because he feels he is right, and they are making a big mistake.  And it seems to me in some capacity they must be wrong since the next part implies they get recaptured or at least run into bigger problems. 

I liked the friction though between Anakin and Tarkin...  It showed that they're both sure of themselves, and both like to have control.  Funny how come A New Hope, Tarkin now is the one with the power, and Vader's a half a step behind him.

I do think the cargo shuttle could've been explained better...  Stolen codes or whatever. 

I think the Citadel format is great though.  Like I said, it's like one from Dark Forces...  Other prisoners are there, they obviously have big enough facilities and the Jedi had to go a distance to find Tarkin and the officers after they found Piel.  Who knows why they're there though, ultimately.  The Separatists have the same issues maintaining law and order in their own territory the Republic does, so they've probably got a lot of pirates, smugglers, and criminals in general in there...  So why would you see those folks ultimately?  I don't think Ani and Obi would want to open their doors and just let everyone out.

I think this may have been even better than Landing at Point Rain to me...  It's at least on par.  I was so glad to see the series get back to the formula I personally love the most.  I found the Daughter, the Son, and the Holy Ghost to be boring overall.  It was ok but just odd and a little boring.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Jabba the Slug on February 22, 2011, 08:23 PM
I haven't seen the episode, and I haven't seen the note we're referencing that Even Piell is played by a woman. However, I know the original character in Episode I was played by a female actor in make-up as a male character.

Whoops, you're right - here's the Episode Guide (http://starwars.com/theclonewars/guide/episode318.html) with the info from his TPM appearance. I was wondering how the heck the voice actor could be a woman! :o Sorry about that.

There's no episode this Friday? Well, that sucks. It wouldn't be as bad had this been a stand-alone episode, but, as part of an arc, having it two weeks later is crummy timing.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Brian on February 23, 2011, 09:07 AM
I see there's another clip (http://comicbookmovie.com/fansites/scifimediazone/news/?a=30668) of Chewbacca's appearance on CW up online.  This one has a few flashes of him fighting some trandoshans.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: McMetal on February 23, 2011, 09:15 AM
I realize it would be too violent for this show, but I really, really wish they would show him actually ripping someone's arms out of their sockets. Chewie comes off as too cuddly in the movies I think, I would dig some actual wookie-rage.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: P-Siddy on February 23, 2011, 02:02 PM
I realize it would be too violent for this show, but I really, really wish they would show him actually ripping someone's arms out of their sockets. Chewie comes off as too cuddly in the movies I think, I would dig some actual wookie-rage.

They could be Battle Droids... or better yet, Commando and Super Battle Droids. No one cares if a droid is maimed.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Brian on February 23, 2011, 02:08 PM
And yet one more (http://insidetv.ew.com/2011/02/23/star-wars-clone-wars-chewbacca/) clip about the Chewie episode(s).  This one has the same "intro" of Chewbacca, but also some behind the scenes stuff with Filoni and Peter Mayhew as they developed the character for CW.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: darth broem 2 on March 2, 2011, 10:02 AM
Nice!  I live seeing Chewbacca in the Clone Wars series.  Finally we get to see him beat up some Trandoshans.  I was kind of hoping we would see Wookies taking on Trandoshans in ROTS when they were battling the droids. 

Can a little Han Solo be too far behind?  I know people are going to be upset if he shows up but I wouldn't doubt it. 
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: 501ST on March 3, 2011, 04:16 AM
Hopefully no Han Solo in the CW series however good to see Chewie kicking around Trandoshans.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: EpicGon on March 5, 2011, 10:39 AM
about episode 19 of season 3: they bring back the concept of anti air craft turrets from the video games, so it was the way the commando droid hit Anakin and Piel´s stap, plus this turret hit the stationed shuttle.

Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Scott on March 5, 2011, 04:33 PM
ANother good episode last night...RIP Echo :-[
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: tmanthegreat on March 5, 2011, 06:40 PM
Not a bad episode at all.  The commando droids with the shields were interesting.  Things just keep getting worse and worse for the clones and Jedi...  Sad to see Echo die, but interesting to see Tarkin and Anakin start to agree a little more on some key issues and start building their relationship.  I'll be interested to see how they're all going to escape in next weeks episode.  Obviously we know at least three of the characters make it out and into the later films ;)
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: 501ST on March 6, 2011, 04:53 AM
Obviously Tarkin and Anakin agreeing as they do on screen is part and parcel with the fact that Tarkin will become a major player in the Empire in his own way as will Anakin do so in his way.

Hopefully means some elaboration on Tarkin in the series will occur,he's a character who can be expanded on easily and not having a major Canon consistency to have to be adhered to.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Jabba the Slug on March 6, 2011, 04:32 PM
I would have appreciated Ahsoka somehow dying in this arc, being that this place is freakin' hell to get out of... maybe a dramatic stand-off where the warden captures her as a hostage and holds her at gunpoint in front of Anakin... but, obviously, she's in the Season 3 finale... ::) 
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: McMetal on March 8, 2011, 11:42 AM
I didn't have much of a reaction either way to this EP. It didn't strike me as particularly good or bad, just sort of filler.

Dooku makes me laugh. You're trying to secure information that could turn the tide of the war, and you entrust the whole operation to a bunch of droids and that goofy ass warden? Damn right that needs your personal attention.

They'd be better off just nuking the planet from orbit to insure that the Republic never got that information either.

Lots of good toy fodder from this arc though, would love some animated probe droids and those commando battle droids with the shields.

The Citdel would make for a hella cool playset too.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Jabba the Slug on March 9, 2011, 10:28 PM
I think it's getting old though that Dooku keeps saying (something like) "turning the tide of the war." He's said the very same thing in a couple of episodes already.

It was an interesting episode, but at this point they're just stretching it out as filler. We already know who lives in the end, so I don't think there's really need to keep this arc going on for so long, unless there's a surprise planned for the final episode of the arc.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Pete_Fett on March 10, 2011, 11:28 AM
Dooku makes me laugh. You're trying to secure information that could turn the tide of the war, and you entrust the whole operation to a bunch of droids and that goofy ass warden? Damn right that needs your personal attention.

Whether it's intentional or not on the part of the writers, I chalk this up to the fact that Dooku and Sidious are truly just playing both sides for their own gains. They really don't care who "wins" and if you think about - Sidious really doesn't want the CIS to win, he wants to be in the position as chancellor to reform the Republic into an Empire and become Emperor - it would have to work slightly differently if the CIS wins the war....

So the CIS is really just making enough "noise" in the galaxy to make the war drag on, which in turn allows for the Republic to point the finger at the Jedi for causing the war to linger. I thought the fact that Tarkin pointed that out in this episode and that Anakin agreed with him was probably the most important piece of dialog in the entire episode.

Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Scockery on March 10, 2011, 12:45 PM
Given the sheer numbers of battle droids and the ability to produce more daily compared to the growing time of clone and training time of Jedi, the CIS probably could've won the war if the whole conflict hadn't been engineered by the Sith.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: 501ST on March 11, 2011, 03:55 AM
Whether it's intentional or not on the part of the writers, I chalk this up to the fact that Dooku and Sidious are truly just playing both sides for their own gains. They really don't care who "wins" and if you think about - Sidious really doesn't want the CIS to win, he wants to be in the position as chancellor to reform the Republic into an Empire and become Emperor - it would have to work slightly differently if the CIS wins the war....

So the CIS is really just making enough "noise" in the galaxy to make the war drag on, which in turn allows for the Republic to point the finger at the Jedi for causing the war to linger. I thought the fact that Tarkin pointed that out in this episode and that Anakin agreed with him was probably the most important piece of dialog in the entire episode.

This
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: McMetal on March 11, 2011, 03:11 PM
Dooku makes me laugh. You're trying to secure information that could turn the tide of the war, and you entrust the whole operation to a bunch of droids and that goofy ass warden? Damn right that needs your personal attention.

Whether it's intentional or not on the part of the writers, I chalk this up to the fact that Dooku and Sidious are truly just playing both sides for their own gains. They really don't care who "wins" and if you think about - Sidious really doesn't want the CIS to win, he wants to be in the position as chancellor to reform the Republic into an Empire and become Emperor - it would have to work slightly differently if the CIS wins the war....


Yeah, that's a great point, I guess I just wonder how much Dooku was really ever privy to that grand scheme. I always felt like he was more of a pawn in the whole game. Like Sidious had a plan for whichever side came out on top, and he let Dooku do his best to win it for the CIS and may the chips fall wherever.

It does seem like the CIS would have won out eventually.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Jesse James on March 11, 2011, 05:15 PM
Dooku is a pawn, to some degree, as all Sith Lords are...  But he's scheming himself too.

But Dooku seems fairly "up" on what's going on too though...  His dialogue with Sidious always seems to at least imply that he knows this is all a big scheme, and that they're working towards a greater goal.

Perhaps Dooku was always intended to be part of the grand plan till Sidious realizes he can replace Dooku with something better?  And perhaps Sidious has also seen Dooku's scheming through the war, with Assajj and eventually Savage Oppress?  Sidious maybe figures at that point, "Ah, f him, I'll just sway that Anakin kid...  he's pretty stupid".
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Jabba the Slug on March 12, 2011, 02:32 AM
Ok, so this episode really pissed me off in a sense - Even Piell doesn't die until after ROTS... he's killed a few months after Order 66 is issued. It's in an EU novel, I can't recall the name, but even the Episode Guide confirms this. The fact that the Guide says that Piell's death in this episode is "the character's true fate" just really upsets me, because this is Filoni and his gang saying, "You know what, we know this happens later on, we know this is canon, but screw it." They've done it with Asajj Ventress's backstory, Eeth Koth's original death, now it's being done again. I've really lost faith in this show because of its nefarious reputation to not care about ANY previously established material whatsoever. Who says that Piell's original death in the EU novel isn't just as valid? Sorry for the rant, but I'm a fan of all the original Clone Wars-related EU that precedes this show, and this show has just demolished it all.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: 501ST on March 12, 2011, 06:03 AM
Flame-suit on but the previous EU is readily able to be taken apart by George Lucas (he supervises the storyline as I am sure you know)

Any hassles you have with it really rests with George cause he allows this to occur,Dave just puts it to him and needs the green-light.

Usual EU arguments will likely ensue.

OT: this episode rounded out the trilogy well and I loved every minute of it.

Piell dying even ;)
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Jayson on March 12, 2011, 10:43 AM
Even Piell continuity explained (http://blogs.starwars.com/holocron/54).
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Jabba the Slug on March 12, 2011, 01:10 PM
Even Piell continuity explained (http://blogs.starwars.com/holocron/54).

Hmm, thanks... I guess it lessens my anger a bit because they at least try to fix/clean up the situation, but I'm still upset that they tried to do away with the original EU material so easily. Hopefully Filoni (or even George Lucas, for that matter, it seems like he's the one with the "great ideas" for this show sometimes) and his gang doesn't try to get too ahead of themselves, because there's already so much conflicting material as it is.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: EpicGon on March 13, 2011, 12:54 AM
Perhaps Filoni could have save Piel for another episodes to geminate a Jedi like Yoda, another smaller master fighting droids etc.

The dead of Piel is kinda veritable, surprised by a beast, without oportunity to kill it.

Perhaps this would upset collectors who expected a clone wars animated version of him

Asoka is evolving in skills, she saved Tarkin, killing the annoying guy.

the producers intended to show a rough escape, losts of clones died in the way, and Tarkin risked to die by the hands of the reptile Osi.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: 501ST on March 13, 2011, 01:17 AM
Perhaps this would upset collectors who expected a clone wars animated version of him

LOL @ the idea Hasbro aren't making Piell.  ;)
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Lestat on March 13, 2011, 01:13 PM
Ok, so this episode really pissed me off in a sense - Even Piell doesn't die until after ROTS... he's killed a few months after Order 66 is issued. It's in an EU novel, I can't recall the name, but even the Episode Guide confirms this. The fact that the Guide says that Piell's death in this episode is "the character's true fate" just really upsets me, because this is Filoni and his gang saying, "You know what, we know this happens later on, we know this is canon, but screw it." They've done it with Asajj Ventress's backstory, Eeth Koth's original death, now it's being done again. I've really lost faith in this show because of its nefarious reputation to not care about ANY previously established material whatsoever. Who says that Piell's original death in the EU novel isn't just as valid? Sorry for the rant, but I'm a fan of all the original Clone Wars-related EU that precedes this show, and this show has just demolished it all.

I agree that I don't like how quick LFL is to piss on the EU. But despite that the show is damned entertaining.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Lestat on March 13, 2011, 01:18 PM
Ok, so this episode really pissed me off in a sense - Even Piell doesn't die until after ROTS... he's killed a few months after Order 66 is issued. It's in an EU novel, I can't recall the name, but even the Episode Guide confirms this. The fact that the Guide says that Piell's death in this episode is "the character's true fate" just really upsets me, because this is Filoni and his gang saying, "You know what, we know this happens later on, we know this is canon, but screw it." They've done it with Asajj Ventress's backstory, Eeth Koth's original death, now it's being done again. I've really lost faith in this show because of its nefarious reputation to not care about ANY previously established material whatsoever. Who says that Piell's original death in the EU novel isn't just as valid? Sorry for the rant, but I'm a fan of all the original Clone Wars-related EU that precedes this show, and this show has just demolished it all.

I agree that I don't like how quick LFL is to piss on the EU. I mean how much does it suck to be the writer who went to all that trouble to have GL essentially contradict his book for really no good reason. It made for a moving episode but it really wasn't necessary.  But despite all of that, the show is damned entertaining.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: EpicGon on March 13, 2011, 06:58 PM
I think, the producers want to introduce other aspects of the war not contemplated in the PT, for example
-with Even Piell´s death they show a very narrow escape; the Jedi and rank officers like Tarkin are outnumbered
-The dog, hyena or caninus beast that killed Piell, in some way pinpoints the weakness of this character, not of his function on story, but in military terms.
Piell died because the beast bit him in the troath, the Jedi took a mortal wound, impossible to mend the situation.
What happens in that process: the beast uses his weight to immobilize Piells tiny arms, Asoka was occupied with several attackers, she force grab the dog beast too late. (again, it´s a narrow escape with a narrow defense)
In some ways is disgusting Piell only appeared in two episodes, they could have expanded his adventures.
It seems too much in that situation, but Why a Jedi can´t use a force lift without the aid of his hands?
Piell could geminate or mimic Yoda in some aspects, but his power is less significative.
I am not at currant with Pt EU novels, but in this series of Clone Wars, where "only the strong" are surviving, Yaddle is the next candidate to die in that way, too.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Jesse James on March 14, 2011, 02:17 AM
Anyone else think it was funny how Piel must've been made out of asbestos?  Dude wouldn't burn yet that dog thing went up like it had gasoline coming out of its pores.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: McMetal on March 14, 2011, 09:41 AM
Pretty satisfying wrap-up, all in all. I loved Ahsoka impaling Osi...good brutal stuff. Does anyone remember that old animated film from the 80's called Rock and Rule? I swear to God Osi Sobeck had to be modelled after Mok.

Great toy fodder in this episode too. Hello, animated Adi Gallia! We already know Saesee Tin is coming out, but we also got 2 new starfighter repaints to trawl out now too. And I absolutely need a Deluxe set with at least one Anooba.

Whose idea was it to make the rendezvous point a low level island surrounded by lava?  ::) Not the easiest place to defend tactically. And how the hell did those Crab Droids crawl onto there? Are they somehow lava resistant?

Tarkin is a douche.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Master_Phruby on March 14, 2011, 10:43 AM
Pretty satisfying wrap-up, all in all. I loved Ahsoka impaling Osi...good brutal stuff. Does anyone remember that old animated film from the 80's called Rock and Rule? I swear to God Osi Sobeck had to be modelled after Mok.

I didn't like the character design of Osi Sobeck. He reminded me of a Killer Klown from Outer Space. I agree, it was stupid to have the rendezvous point at a low level island surrounded by lava. Not only do they have to climb a rope across lava but then have no were to hide while the battle droids shoot at them from the other side. It's like the worst possible place they could have waited.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Scockery on March 14, 2011, 01:22 PM
Anyone else think it was funny how Piel must've been made out of asbestos?  Dude wouldn't burn yet that dog thing went up like it had gasoline coming out of its pores.

Yeah, but techinically everyone should've died from the sheer heat all that lava was putting out (same goes for Mustafar in ROTS).

I get a little tired of alien animals that are so equivalent to earth animals.

Also, the only survivor was Tarkin. They couldn't just let one no-name clone live for the heck of it.

I think the story was an episode too long, actually.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Jesse James on March 14, 2011, 05:43 PM
Yeah I was bummed on all the no-name Clones getting offed too...  It's like red shirts in Star Trek.  If you see these guys from the bridge or some random 212th's or 501st's around...  Welp, guess who ain't getting beamed back.

The lava island thing only makes sense from the perspective that a higher point makes the characters more visible to the enemy overall (bearing in mind they're buzzing around on their STAPS patrolling...  being lower maybe was an advantage then). 

The beast things reminded me of the dogs from the one Star Trek movie The Undiscovered Country (I think?)...  The Klingon dogs.

And Tarkin was badass...  He's exactly as I always imagined him.  A) he wants to win.  B) He's loyal...  He's a military man, true to his cause.  3) He just disagrees with the Jedi order and their ways at war, and his getting Anakin to agree was surprising and I dug it.  It showed a nice basis for their clear friendship they had in A New Hope...  He's still the only guy to have Vader's ear as an equal of sorts.

I thought this was a truly fitting way to introduce Tarkin and make him a character of more substance than other random guys thrown into the series.  Still my absolute favorite SW character ever.

And I totally agree on the Crab Droids that mysteriously turn up all around the base...  My gf even said, "where the hell did those come from?", at that scene.  That was a gaff on the show's part bigtime.  I don't recall seeing what's up above the island thing...  They were underground a lot, so maybe cliffs over the area allowed them to drop down, but still, it was goofy and obvious to a lot of folks that those Droids shouldn't have all just been coming from nowhere along the island.

I really thought this was a good 3-parter this season.  This and the Kamino storylines are easily my favorites, and reminded me of the Point Rain episodes last season.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Nicklab on March 14, 2011, 09:42 PM
I agree that I don't like how quick LFL is to piss on the EU. I mean how much does it suck to be the writer who went to all that trouble to have GL essentially contradict his book for really no good reason. It made for a moving episode but it really wasn't necessary.  But despite all of that, the show is damned entertaining.


That's pretty much been par for the course for the past couple of seasons of Clone Wars.  There has been a good deal of EU backstory that was established in novels.  Karen Traviss wrote a great deal about the Mandalorians only to have it contradicted in large part by the Mandalorian story arcs of season 2 with Obi-Wan's trip to Mandalore and the Death Watch.  Traviss wound up quitting as an EU writer because of that change in direction from Lucasfilm.  And now there's this issue with Even Piell's demise.

I don't lay these continuity issues at the feet of Dave Filoni alone, though.  Yes, he is the director of the series.  But he works for George Lucas.  And if you've watched some of the behind the scenes video on the Clone Wars animated series, it becomes abundantly clear that George Lucas is involved significantly from a story standpoint.  His involvment was made very clear in some of the material about the Mortis trilogy and explaining some of the origins of The Force.  In some instances it almost seems as though his stance on the story comes from a place where GL says "Wouldn't it be cool if....". 

Does that serve the overall story?  That's debatable.  What might make for an interesting EU novel might not translate well to episodic, animated television, or vice versa.  In this regard though, we all have to deal with the fact that it's George's universe, and we're all just observers.  He's going to do what he wants to do, and that is what he's done here.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Jabba the Slug on March 14, 2011, 11:25 PM
It'll be interesting to see what Filoni does after the series is over to address all the conflicting canon that's been going on. A book, an internet article, anything, so long as they make the effort to clear everything up.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Scockery on March 14, 2011, 11:44 PM
That's pretty much been par for the course for the past couple of seasons of Clone Wars.  There has been a good deal of EU backstory that was established in novels.  Karen Traviss wrote a great deal about the Mandalorians only to have it contradicted in large part by the Mandalorian story arcs of season 2 with Obi-Wan's trip to Mandalore and the Death Watch. 

But wasn't it worth it for all the exciting Death Watch stories we got in season 3?  :P
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Jesse James on March 15, 2011, 12:16 AM
It'll be interesting to see what Filoni does after the series is over to address all the conflicting canon that's been going on. A book, an internet article, anything, so long as they make the effort to clear everything up.

I don't think Filoni would do anything...  Not because it's not really his responsibility even, but mostly because I don't think LFL cares enough.  They'll cram as much of it together as they can, to clear it up, but ultimately some stuff's going to just get lost in the shuffle (to them).

Personally I just go with what I like...  If I like established EU better I'll just ignore the toon's variation of the ideas.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: 501ST on March 15, 2011, 03:56 AM
Personally I just go with what I like...  If I like established EU better I'll just ignore the toon's variation of the ideas.

The most intelligent thing on this topic I have read to date.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: tmanthegreat on March 15, 2011, 11:58 AM
Great episode and my favorite from the story arc overall.  I particularly liked how it firmly established the Anakin/Vader and Tarkin relationship.

I'm not as well versed with the EU aspect of Star Wars as many others.  I've only dabbled in it a little, but its something I've largely stayed away from as a personal preference.  I tend to take that which springs from the mind of George Lucas as being the ultimate cannon as the Star Wars universe is, afterall, his ultimate creation.  So, to me the CW series is more cannon than what appears in much of the EU material...  Still, that's not to discount the fact that even Lucas contradicts his own work and certainly not to discount the vast creative body that makes up the EU and which has given the Star Wars universe a sense of life and vitality far beyond that of any other sci-fi genera.

I guess what's needed in the Star Wars community is some sort of equivalent to the "Council of Nicea" (to draw a simple historical comparison to the church council called by the Roman Emperor Constantine in 325 CE to determine an official religious cannon for Christianity) where Lucas and leading representatives of the EU community can hold a council and sit down and hammer out the "official" story line for Star Wars... Just a thought ;)   
   
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Jesse James on March 15, 2011, 04:44 PM
Unfortunately the church council was doing what it felt was canon to God and the faith, whereas Lucas just thinks he is God. ;D
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: McMetal on March 16, 2011, 09:11 AM
I guess what's needed in the Star Wars community is some sort of equivalent to the "Council of Nicea" (to draw a simple historical comparison to the church council called by the Roman Emperor Constantine in 325 CE to determine an official religious cannon for Christianity) where Lucas and leading representatives of the EU community can hold a council and sit down and hammer out the "official" story line for Star Wars... Just a thought ;)   

They already have a High Potentate of Continuity, that Leland Chee schmoe, he just does an abysmally poor job of managing that stuff. Or else they just keep doing whatever they want and he is faced with an impossible task of trying to sort it all out after the fact. One of those.

I tell you what, if I ever create my own universe, ain't nobody sticking their greasy little fingers into that shiite except me. Lucas was a greedy fool for franchising that stuff out in the first place. He should have maintained strict quality control from Day 1, and we wouldn't have the mess that we do now. (Or at least nowhere near as bad)
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Scockery on March 17, 2011, 08:23 AM
That would've led to less merchandising money, which is what Star Wars has been about since at least 1980.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Master_Phruby on March 17, 2011, 03:01 PM
Unfortunately the church council was doing what it felt was canon to God and the faith, whereas Lucas just thinks he is God. ;D

When it comes to Star Wars, Lucas is GOD. EU be damed. The man can do anything he wants. Its his story. Just like Roddenberry could do anything he wanted with Star Trek.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Jesse James on March 17, 2011, 03:58 PM
Except Lucas surrounds himself with yes-men like Rick McCallum and actively uses the EU to make himself money, but then turns around and blasts it by saying basically, "I don't like that and I'm going to change it".

Roddenberry surrounded himself with people who liked ST, almost as much as he did, and he listend to them.  He'd override them at times, other times he'd go with their ideas, and when work was put in the hands of others it was absorbed as part of the overall story and generally doesn't/didn't get contradicted.  Even the series reboot is intended to fit into the overall ST lore.

ST and SW are pretty significantly different in that regard, and Roddenberry was definitely different to Lucas in that regard.

Don't get me wrong, I don't even like a lot of EU.  But Lucas treated the SW universe as a cash grab, and kind of **** on the fans a little who supported it.  Roddenberry seems like a pretty different guy to me.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: 501ST on March 17, 2011, 07:57 PM
When it comes to Star Wars, Lucas is GOD. EU be damed. The man can do anything he wants. Its his story. Just like Roddenberry could do anything he wanted with Star Trek.

"Brave of you boy..."   







(I agree with the GL part,don't really have any taster for comparisons though)
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Scockery on March 17, 2011, 08:48 PM
Unfortunately the church council was doing what it felt was canon to God and the faith, whereas Lucas just thinks he is God. ;D

When it comes to Star Wars, Lucas is GOD. EU be damed. The man can do anything he wants. Its his story. Just like Roddenberry could do anything he wanted with Star Trek.

I won't argue with Lucas's power, but Roddenberry is not an apt comparison. Gene Roddenberry didn't own Trek and didn't have direct control over 5 of the 6 Trek films made his lifetime, and only one season of The Next Generation.

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When it came time to produce the obligatory theatrical sequel, Roddenberry's story submission of a time-traveling Enterprise crew involved in the John F. Kennedy assassination was rejected. He was removed from direct involvement and replaced by Harve Bennett. He continued, however, as executive consultant for the next four films: Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan; Star Trek III: The Search for Spock; Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home; and Star Trek V: The Final Frontier.

Roddenberry was deeply involved with creating and producing Star Trek: The Next Generation, although he only had full control over the show's first season. The WGA strike of 1988 prevented him from taking an active role in production of the second season and forced him to hand control of the series to producer Maurice Hurley.


Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Jesse James on March 17, 2011, 09:33 PM
On another topic...

I just listened to the commentary on the last episode.

I really disliked Filloni and Lucas' thought process on why Tarkin didn't just execute Sobek...  They said basically the Jedi would've witnessed Tarkin walking up to Sobek and just blasting him in the head while he pleaded for his life, and there would be some awkwardness to them witnessing this and knowing that someone in charge in the Republic Military would behave like this...

But that's silly.  The Jedi SHOULD be witnessing attrocities on both sides...  War's never black and white like that.  The "good guys" will make mistakes.  Tarkin's a soldier...  Soldier's get angry, especially against someone who seems pretty brutal like Sobek.

I think it would've added a lot to the Tarkin/Jedi contrast had they left things go with Sobek being executed while basically surrendering, instead of the way they went with it.  Just because the Jedi see someone doing something they disagree with, doesn't mean it should impact anything raelly.  They disagree with a lot about the war, and run the war by their standards (which were already established to be very different from those of Tarkin and probably others).  There's already friction there, so why not drive home that Tarkin is a flawed guy?  The every man is expected to be flawed.

Just a thought...  The way they went opened an interesting thought about Ahsoka, but I thought it took away from some of the focus that episode had built.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: 501ST on March 17, 2011, 09:36 PM
Agree with JJ on this point,it would also reinforce the comment Tarkin makes about "falling into favour with the Chancellor" if having shot Sosek as described and not having any career limiting moves placed on his Rank and Command.

Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: JACKOFTRADZE on March 18, 2011, 11:01 AM
I just watched this episode last night, I liked it overall, Tarkin was enjoyable. The the story arc was good but like others posted it was a little long in the tooth. 2 episodes would have been enough (I felt they needed more time on the Opress arc). I also have to agree on how this show is disregarding the existing story canon. They are really killing the continuity of EU, Even Piell was present during operation Knightfall and survived Order 66. He was the Master of Jax Paven who owns I-5YQ (Hasbro made a figure of this cool Protocol droid). He died in that series, so they basically threw out the entire series of novels. Are they going to pull a Dallas to explain this? Star Trek was always so much better at their continuity.

For a season dubbed "Secrets Revealed" they have revealed nothing but incompetence in their handling of this season. Piell tells Asooka something secret but we the viewers could not hear it? During the Opress episodes it would have had more impact to reveal Maul in person than an image of him in a crystal ball image. Secrets revealed my arse! This season was overall pretty weak, they bounced back but not enough. I do not care if the Chewie episodes are great they wasted too much time on politics and long winded episodes.

When we think of CW season 3 we do not think of "Secrets Revealed" we think of tainted soft drinks in the Mandalorian public school system.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: 501ST on March 18, 2011, 01:55 PM
I do not care if the Chewie episodes are great they wasted too much time on politics and long winded episodes.

When we think of CW season 3 we do not think of "Secrets Revealed" we think of tainted soft drinks in the Mandalorian public school system.

Bravo....
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Jesse James on March 18, 2011, 04:27 PM
Unfortunately I think some of this has to do with Lucas' heavy-hand in the series overall...  Take him out, leave it to Filloni more...  It probably has more hits than misses in a season.  Lucas loves to go off on those in-depth tangents.

Personally I felt the Force Wielders episodes were kind of lame, i thought obviously the stuff with Mandalore was incredibly lame...  I liked this last episode arc, and Kamino.  Other than those two storylines, Season 3 is definitely the weakest season of the series.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Jabba the Slug on March 19, 2011, 03:29 AM
Personally I felt the Force Wielders episodes were kind of lame, i thought obviously the stuff with Mandalore was incredibly lame...  I liked this last episode arc, and Kamino.  Other than those two storylines, Season 3 is definitely the weakest season of the series.

I agree with you on the "Force Trilogy" - everything the main characters learn, they eventually forget - it's like there was no point in that trilogy at all. It may as well have never happened.

Anything Mandalore-related this season was an atrocity. A complete waste - Filoni mentioned somewhere before that this is all supposed to tie in with the show at a later time, but, really now, we all know what happens in ROTS. There was really no need for any of the political crap we put up with. Politics have NO place whatsoever in a show aimed for kids. Period.

Even the Savage trilogy was weak. Lots of overrided canon, and I feel like he was used only as a marketing ploy for this season, when it turns out he's only in 2 episodes. Heck, Filoni should have made the entire 2nd half of the season all about him!

I really can't imagine what Season 4 is going to center around. If anything, make half the season about Savage and Maul striking at the galaxy, and make the second half about Ahsoka turning to the darkside or something.
 
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Jayson on March 19, 2011, 04:29 PM
Season 3 Finale part 1 "Padawan Lost" (http://www.mastertoons.com/Padawan-Lost.php) available to watch online.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: EpicGon on March 21, 2011, 10:34 AM
About Padawan Lost, was a episode that gave inside to Jedi younlings skills, and the trandoshans habits: rude, cruel, they also need cremonies of initiation, like the son of the trandoshan chief who wanted to kill a padawan alone.

Some Trandoshans looked like the saurin guy HRCHEK KAL FAS, mmm, saurins have five fingers, trandoshan less.

I think they could give more screen to the snivian guy, he was dressed like Zutton, his appearance is like an interpretation of the OT character.

Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Jayson on March 26, 2011, 08:55 AM
Season 3 Finale part 2 "Wookiee Hunt" (http://www.mastertoons.com/Wookiee-Hunt.php) available to watch online.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Darby on March 26, 2011, 11:18 AM
Really good end to a very uneven season.  I really liked these last two.  Hopefully the show will be more consistent next year.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: EpicGon on March 27, 2011, 12:03 AM
This last episode showed the return to order (to the Jedi status quo)
also a wide range of variations for Trandoshans in color, patterns of stripes and complexion.
The boss guy had unike spikes on head, curious.

Other well oriented feature was the "animalization" of this hunters, their alarm cry, hisses... I think is a blink to esb scene when Bossk faced Piett and growled for his bount hunters related commentary.

Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: JACKOFTRADZE on March 28, 2011, 12:50 PM
These two episodes were exactly what I wanted out of this series. Great action driven by an 80's style cartoon plots showing off stuff you always wanted to see in SW lore (Mandos, Trandosians, Jedi Battles etc). These two episodes should be the benchmark for season 4. This season got too "Lucasfied" with the dumbing down of the series and the EP1 style long winded political crap that puts you to sleep. (We do not have to see every lead up to the big vote! Spend three minutes to explain and move on!)

This by far was the weakest of the three seasons. I would say half of the episodes sucked and half were good (Being generous here). That's not a good batting average. I will say the episodes I liked I really liked (Hunt for Ziro, the first two episodes, Wookie Hunt and Savage)

What were the big secrets revealed? Darth Maul may be alive, Even Peill told Ahsoka a secret that were we not allowed to know, Anakin, Obi-Wan and Ahsoka dealt with the Force shifters but cannot remember it making it a secret and do not send your kids to the Mandalorian public school system or they will get poisoned by the soft drinks. I know this is supposed to be a show for kids but what they ponied up story wise for the bulk of the season is lost on kids and us as well.

Season 3: Mandalorian Soft Drink Ingredients Revealed!
(Yes, I will stop making this joke now.)
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Darby on March 28, 2011, 08:53 PM
Pretty good assessment.

The season started out amazing - the Kamino arc was great - and it ended great.  In between?  Hmm.  I don't remember most of it.  I did play devil's advocate for some of the political stuff.  The late one with Padme and the Sepratist Senate was very good, actually.  The rest of it was wasted effort.  Savage Oppress, good, very good in some respects, but oddly rushed.  The Mortis arc - I'm debating whether or not it was three episodes of hot air, or if there really is a question there.  The Citdael - a missed opportunity.  The death of Echo was too bad.

Wookie Hunt - like you said, what the show should be.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Brian on March 30, 2011, 10:20 AM
Yeah, I have to agree with Darby.  Really an uneven season overall.  Good start, weak middle, and I think the majority of the episodes we got in 2011 have been pretty strong, or at least interesting.  I also have troubles remembering a lot of stuff from the middle of the season without looking back on the summaries, etc.  I was honestly hoping for a bit more from the season, but overall it may have been the weakest of the three so far.  Still some good stuff in there, and I think the animation itself has had tweaks that have improved the look of the show, but there was a lot of more boring political-type stuff in there.  I understand what they're trying to do with some of it, but at the same time I can't say I was rushing to re-watch many of those.

One other thing I've noticed with Season 3 (and maybe with other seasons to some extent), is that it seems so all-over the place.  It jumps all over not only in the timeline, but also in the story, and doesn't seem as cohesive as a series as a result.  Or they introduce something like Oppress (and with Maul spoiler) only to not see them for who knows how long.  Same thing with the intro of Fett, Bossk, and even to some extent Aurra Sing (although she was in that Assassin episode this year).  Even characters like Grievous and Cad Bane disappear for long stretches of the show, and we don't seem to have gotten as many episodes featuring "other" Jedi (aside from Plo Koon).  I don't know, I still really enjoy the show, but this season was a bit of a let down.  Also - I think they might need to drop or rethink the season taglines, as they don't seem to really relate to the season as much as one would hope.  "Rise of the Bounty Hunters" last year really only led to that final Fett arc of the season, aside from that one other episode with Embo and the others.  This year, "Secrets Revealed" seemed to be overstating it a little too, other than we saw what Tarkin was up to prior to ANH, found out that Greedo did something in the past, and we may or may not have learned something from the Mortis arc.  I guess it depends how far you stretch the definition of "secrets", as we did get more backstory on characters like Ventress and the Hutt family as well.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Jabba the Slug on March 31, 2011, 01:54 AM
The biggest disappointment to me from this season (besides the political trash) was that the Savage Opress arc was too rushed, in many respects. And if you think about it, he was in really only 2 of the 3 episodes.

I wonder what the theme will be for Season 4. Is it true that Season 5 is slated to be the last season, or is that a rumor? I recall from somewhere that Filoni was aiming for around 100 episodes, give or take a few. 5 seasons x 24 episodes each season (right?) = 120 episodes. Getting there. 
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: 501ST on March 31, 2011, 02:29 AM
The biggest disappointment to me from this season (besides the political trash) was that the Savage Opress arc was too rushed, in many respects. And if you think about it, he was in really only 2 of the 3 episodes.

I wonder what the theme will be for Season 4. Is it true that Season 5 is slated to be the last season, or is that a rumor? I recall from somewhere that Filoni was aiming for around 100 episodes, give or take a few. 5 seasons x 24 episodes each season (right?) = 120 episodes. Getting there.  

Agreed the Savage arc was too rushed and the political episodes were top heavy in the season.

As to the show seasons - there's 22 episodes in a season and George Lucas has said it will go as long as it's doing well,not limiting it.

Dave Filoni also re-iterating that when asked.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Scockery on April 1, 2011, 10:37 PM
Padawan Lost and Wookie Hunt. (I won't write their x-rated parody names in my head)

Barely there Turbo Tank cameo! Felucia! Yay! Dwarf Spider Droids (time for an updated one, Hasbro!)

Jedi don't kill out of anger. Even if the dude will be trying to kill you again later?

Racist episode, all-in-all. Reptilian aliens once again portrayed as cruel killers and mammalians as noble creatures.

Seriously, Bossk is some how the more civilized of his kind? (Gha Nachkt moreso, at least he was just a treacherous junk dealer)

Takeel died...maybe he'll be edited out of the 3D ANH. Okay, okay...all Sniviians look alike.

Sort of a cop out that Chewbacca was the only prisoner on that landing ship, like we needed to know that Ahsoka and company didn't accidently kill anyone.

Chewbacca sure likes to toss people off of high places.

Plo Koon gets to offer the sage wisdom while Yoda is silent. I'm not complaining, forget that little green snot. Plo is the man.

Problem with this two parter...I saw it last year in theaters as PREDATORS. Also, we did the Ahsoka on the run from pursuers in the last arc. Replace droids with Trandoshans, warden with head Trandoshan, clones with younglings, Even Piel with Chewbacca. Maybe they should've spaced out some of the arcs more.


Really an odd season where previous bad-guy poster boy Grievous appears like once. Also, once again, I'm blown away with their follow up on Death Watch.  :P



Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: McMetal on April 1, 2011, 10:57 PM
TOP-freaking-NOTCH!

I thought they ended on a great high note. The episodes never felt dull or tedious and there was a genuine sense of pathos.

I thought Chewie came off fine. You can't go wrong using Peter Mayhew really. Ahsoka continues to grow and impress. What happened to her lightsabers though? Did she drop them on Felucia or did the Trannies get them? Would have been nice if she could have recovered them from the wreckage.

The finales are usually good toy fodder episodes and these should be no different:

The Hover Pod is a no-brainer, I just wonder if they would do it proper in the midsize vehicle line or try to squeeze it down to the Deluxe assortment. I'm guessing the former. Pretty sweet with the big gun and the hand-painted deco.

Trandoshan Battle Pack - Dar, The Main Dude, and maybe 1-2 other nameless thugs with big guns. Oh yes.

Wookie Battlepack - Just because they can. Chewie repack and some repainted commando wookies. Check.

Sugi, yes Sugi. That was her giving the Wookies a lift, and this was at least her 3rd episode so far. You gotta give us some Sugi, Hasbro!

Bounty Hunter Assault Ship - Also the 2nd or 3rd appearance now. Aside from the Jedi T-6 shuttle, there's not a lot of other good candidates for vehicles in the line right now. This is a great one. It's been done by Lego already too. I'd rather see it in the Deluxe ship assortment, done right with some heft and scale, but that would probably push it out to next year if at all.

Agreed it was an uneven season, but there were some great episodes in there and I for one loved the Mortis arc for trying something different and "out there". The scenes from next season looked pretty awesome too - underwater Mon Calamari battles!
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Scockery on April 2, 2011, 12:03 AM
Trannies stealing lightsabers...I heard that happened at San Diego Comic Con 2009.
  ;)

I'm curious why the wookies need a bounty hunter ship, they don't have their own? Reuse existing characters and ship models...that's why. Answered my own question...wheee.

Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: EpicGon on April 2, 2011, 10:16 AM
Ackbar comes for season 4 as an anphibious guy
more duels: Dooku, jedi, Grievous; as they are changing timeline I hope they modify the boring cliché of Anakin never see Grievous, that would be challeging. Make them fight Filoni´s team
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: shmashwitdaclub on April 2, 2011, 10:51 AM
Was that MeruMeru and Tarrful in the wookie rescue squad?
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Nicklab on April 2, 2011, 05:20 PM
Very cool pair of episodes to end Season 3 of Clone Wars.  The Trandoshans were pretty badass and made for some great villains!  And their distress call to one another?  Did anyone else make the connection with Jurassic Park 3, when the velociraptors were calling to each other?  As for the plot, the whole scenario was definitely reminiscent of the Predator storylines.  All of the trophies definitely elicited that kind of tone.  The wampa and gundark trophies were among my personal favorites!

Chewbacca was classic.  I think there was an expectation that since this was the Clone Wars that he would be stomping some Trandoshans, which he did.  Although I was disappointed that he did not actually rip out the arms of any of the Trandoshans.  Chalk that one up to it being a kids show.  But I like the fact that Filoni managed to show that Chewie as a character has depth, and he made a point of showing that he's intelligent and a mechanical genius.  And because of that Chewbacca managed to call in the Wookiee cavalry.  I'm guessing that was Tarfful flying in with the Wookiees, and adding in Sugi and the bounty hunter ship was a nice callback.  Sugi called him General, and that title had only been used with Tarfful when it comes to the Wookiees.

The one thing I had been hoping for with the finale just did not come to pass.  They set up this whole storyline with Savage Oppress going on a quest to find Darth Maul.  Granted, this episode was about Ahsoka's growth as a Jedi, and how she is steadily growing less dependent on her Jedi master, Anakin.  The younglings were a cool group of companions for Ahsoka since she was finally on equal footing with some other Jedi.  

Maybe I'm just too used to some series ending their seasons with a cliffhanger.  But I really think that with all the time they invested in the Savage Oppress storyline, his quest for Darth Maul could have been fodder for a GREAT cliffhanger.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Jesse James on April 4, 2011, 02:21 AM
Some thoughts I had on the finale...

-Trandoshans get alllllllllll da ladies.  Jockin' the Wookiees and slappin' da ho's, that's livin' Trandoshan style.

These guys were very Predator obviously, but I still liked them.  They've always been written this way, actually, and that the hunt is just part of their culture, so it was really neat seeing this in action with their kind of hethan dancing around a fire and stuff.

-LOVE LOVE LOVE the pelts/trophies...  It was a little gruesome, and it's also something some EU has done in the past, and it was too awesome to see it in the show.

-Did anyone else notice how true to the Republic Commando game the Trandoshans were?  Their looks, their costumes, and even the pump shotgun-style blaster?  I really appreciated that they expanded on the RC Game's interpretation of Trandoshan Slavers from the game.

-I liked Yoda silently watching Anakin & Ahsoka...  And I liked Plo Koon recognizing Anakin's overly attached nature with his padawan.  Again, more foreshadowing on Anakin's view of himself and how things play out, but it's really neat to see it pertain in an important way to the main character and his future.

-The droid fort was kind of dumb...  You have nothing to fire back with?  Seriously?

-I'm curious what happens to the rescued Younglings and are they taken in and their training continued?

-The weird appearance of the Bounty Hunters in their ship makes you thinkt hey have some broader role to play at some point, which may pertain to why they're in this area anyway.  Just seemed odd that they were there like a taxi service, so I'm just assuming there is more to that.  Surely Wookiee's have their own ships in some capacity.

Overall though, I liked the finale...  I thought it was cool, and I liked Chewbacca more.  I wish we could've seen some kind of interaction with Ahsoka, Yoda, and Chewbacca, so we could've seen the tie-in to ROTS when Yoda says he has good relations with them and will go lead their defense.  It just would've been nice to see why/how he got involved with them, and if Ahsoka helped that along or whatnot, thanks to her helping Chewbacca.

I thought the Trandoshans were a little too tough for my liking...  I also thought it was very stupid when Ahsoka doesn't let that youngling kill the Trandoshan.  Maybe it was the way the girl was doing it, but still it was sort of meh because you're not in a situation where taking prisoners is an option really, and killing to defend yourself is completely fair I like to think.

Anyway, great finale I thought.  I'll be jonesin' for more, but it's nice having Summer off from the series.  I like the schedule they're on.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Jesse James on April 4, 2011, 10:53 PM
So on the latest commentary, I saw Dave Filloni addressed specifically why the Wookiees hire the Bounty Hunters to take them to the hunting planet...  Wow, I don't like their logic on that.

First, part of Chewbacca's mythos has always been that, originally, the Ewoks were intended to be Wookiees but were replaced to the Ewoks because Chewbacca had established WOokiees as an intelligent, advanced species.

In ROTS, we see Wookiees have developed their own technology...  They have their own style of speeders, they have their own blasters...  They have their own computers and gear... 

Chewbacca's completely capable of fixing one of the most modified, least stock ships in the galaxy probably.  He can rebuild a droid.  He can fly Imperial ships and Han even mentions the lack of design with Chewie's species in mind (kind of makes you think someone might be designing stuff with Wookiee physiology in mind though).

The Wookiees have the pod Yoda used, which I would assume got Yoda pretty far.

Then...  Wookiees are in the friggin' senate, far from Kashyyyk, represented in the galaxy's largest political body. 

That just seems like horrible reasoning all around to me then, that the Wookiees would use outside help to travel anywhere on their planet.  To me, most advanced species would buy their equipment from outside sources and use it or they'd build/design their own.  I don't know, I just find the whole concept of them needing a lift everywhere they go as a little silly.  The Wookiees hardly seem like a species that would remain that dependant.  To each their own I guess.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Brian on April 8, 2011, 02:09 PM
I was just looking at the Episode Guide for "Wookiee Hunt", and didn't realize that one of the trophies in the Trandoshan's ship was a very familiar looking crystal skull - kind of a neat easter egg.  I guess I missed it on the initial viewing.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Scockery on April 9, 2011, 10:16 PM
I agree, it's silly that Wookie would have  energy weapons, escape pods and helicopters but not even interplanetary shuttles (not having massive space cruisers, I could believe, but something interstellar/hyperdrive capabile hardly seems out of character).

I was just looking at the Episode Guide for "Wookiee Hunt", and didn't realize that one of the trophies in the Trandoshan's ship was a very familiar looking crystal skull - kind of a neat easter egg.  I guess I missed it on the initial viewing.

Trandoshans can hunt in the spaces between spaces.  :o

Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Nicklab on April 10, 2011, 02:27 AM
The reasoning about the Wookiees not having their own starships sounded pretty ridiculous.  Some of the EU backstory for the battle on Kashyyyk in REVENGE OF THE SITH was that the Wookiees were masters of hyperspace navigation, and the Seperatists were trying to capture the Hyperspace route data.  The site of the battle, the tree city of Kachirho, was home to the Claatuvac Guild which kept the hyperspace navigation data. 

It just seems ludicrous that the Wookiees would be at the forefront of hyperspace navigation, but not have their own starships.  My own theory on this particular choice in the storyline of Wookiee Hunt?  It was about keeping the design and animation costs down.  Dave Filoni has said in some behind the scenes videos that the animation team tries to re-use some models when possible.  Sugi's ship had previously been seen in a show, but not utilized.  The animation team had to make some modifications to that model in order to make it work for the show.  But that was no doubt a cheaper alternative than designing a Wookiee starship from the ground up and THEN animating it.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Jesse James on April 18, 2011, 08:52 PM
(http://www.jedidefender.com/news/images/1-08/011PittComicCon_WitwerInterview03_TN.jpg) (http://www.jedidefender.com/news/images/1-08/011PittComicCon_WitwerInterview02_TN.jpg)

Recently our own Jim was at Pittsburgh Comic-Con and got to talk with Sam Witwer some about his Star Wars tie-ins, including his work on The Clone Wars Season 3 Mortis Trilogy, as "The Son". 

He also makes mention about next season, and his potential return...  in one form or another. :)

Read the Interview Here (http://www.jedidefender.com/newspro/fullnews.cgi?newsid1303172652,28554,)

And thanks to Jim for taking the time to go do this on his weekend.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Jimree on April 19, 2011, 02:48 AM
It was alot of fun to get out there and meet him. I talked to him even longer than the interview, about his new show Being Human and about being a Huge Star Wars fan and being cast in such an awesome role. He was a real great person to talk to.

Thanks,
Jim
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Jabba the Slug on April 24, 2011, 06:39 PM
I was never able to find the video commentary explaining why the Wookies didn't have their own ships - what was Filoni's explanation to it?
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Jeff on April 25, 2011, 11:53 AM
I was never able to find the video commentary explaining why the Wookies didn't have their own ships - what was Filoni's explanation to it?

"Wookiee Hunt" Commentary (http://starwars.com/video/view/001249.html)

Filoni -
"it felt strange that Wookiees would have deep-space vehicles"
"it seemed to be against their culture to have something that progressive"

Despite his video, I still agree with what Nick said 1 page back- it probably had more to do with the fact that it was cheaper to tweak an existing ship model than building a whole new ship model for the wookiees, so they came up with a nice "oh, the wookiees don't have ships" story to distract you from realizing that. :P
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Nicklab on April 26, 2011, 02:46 AM
From a story standpoint, you can see the angle that Dave Filoni was trying to play in the "Wookiee Hunt" commentary.  He's basically saying that the Wookiees have hired Sugi's ship much in the same way that Obi-Wan and Luke hired the Falcon to take them to Alderaan in ANH.

But what about the reality?  If it really was a case of foregoing a new Wookiee ship in the name keeping this episode on or under budget, do you really think that anyone would admit that openly?  I really don't think so.  People want to keep their jobs, and undermining a successful animation series with that kind of talk is a nice way to talk yourself out of a job.  George Lucas has said himself that films are never finished, they're abandoned.  They get to a point where the production has run out money and there will be compromises to the final cut in order to get it finished and released.  As for this episode of Clone Wars?  I can just see the production meeting where this story point was brought up:

"Well, the Wookiees are sophisticated.  They can fix & pilot starships.  They have this hyperspace navigation guild"
"But how long will it take the design team to come up with a Wookiee starship that George will approve?  And then how much will it cost to get the animation team to build all of the wireframes for the new ship?"
"The design team is probably going to need 2 weeks and will come in around $xx,xxx.  Then the animation team for the ship itself will cost another $yy,yyy."
"Well, what if we just modify an existing model and bring in some other characters to fly the Wookiees in?  We have the bounty hunter ship built already.  It might just need a little modifying, but I think that would cost $z,zzz."
"Okay.  Let's bring that to George"

That kind of reality is just TOO REAL for some fanboys to digest.  And that's why I think Dave Filoni told us what he did in the episode commentary.  It's like the old saying:  you don't want to see what goes into making the sausage.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Jesse James on April 26, 2011, 03:37 AM
Sometimes I think Filoni should try less to address continuity stuff like that.  It's probably one of the bigger issues fans get annoyed with, regardless of the reasoning.  The whole Mandalorian arc had them basically lose an author over it, and threw out a popular series of books...  It's just silly.

But for my $.02 I like the videos regardless and just ignore the continuity cramming that goes on.  My wookiees will still be technologically advanced.  ;)
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Jabba the Slug on April 28, 2011, 08:11 PM
Sometimes I think Filoni should try less to address continuity stuff like that.  It's probably one of the bigger issues fans get annoyed with, regardless of the reasoning.  The whole Mandalorian arc had them basically lose an author over it, and threw out a popular series of books...  It's just silly.

That's the main problem I have with this show - instead of working their way around some already-established material, they just try to overrule it. It's happened far too many times already, especially in Season 3. Hopefully Season 4 won't be the same.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Jeff on June 20, 2011, 01:37 PM
Season 3 on DVD and Blu-ray on October 18th (http://starwars.com/theclonewars/season3_set/index.html)
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Jesse James on June 20, 2011, 09:00 PM
Sounds like a lot of deleted and extended scenes.  I'm curious what all is maybe available.  I wish they'd do more of that stuff as Season 1 and 2 are nice to have, but lacked the "umph" I was hoping for.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Lestat on June 21, 2011, 03:28 PM

Secrets Revealed? HOW ABOUT REVEALING HE ACTUALLY HAS A DAD?


This made me laugh out loud!!! So true. Other secrets I would have liked to have been revealed:

-Sifo-dyas' backstory
-More about Palpatine's training under Plagueis
-clarification on the prophecy of the "chosen one"
-Why the jedi ability to sense the force is diminished
-Why "only the dark lord of the sith" knows about it
-When did Qui Gon learn to commune beyond death (even though that whole concept is unecessary. How about when you die you become a ghost? Very simple.)
-Why the jedi aren't concerned that all of the clones are made from the dude who tried to kill Obi-wan, Mace Windu and Padme

Etc., Etc.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Jayson on June 22, 2011, 01:32 AM
Sounds like a lot of deleted and extended scenes.  I'm curious what all is maybe available.  I wish they'd do more of that stuff as Season 1 and 2 are nice to have, but lacked the "umph" I was hoping for.

Hopefully they'll have the unedited episodes esp. the one where Ventress is force choking/levitating Cmdr. Colt, pulls him toward her to run him through with her lightsaber and then kisses him on the cheek. Best. Scene. EVAR.  :P
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Jesse James on June 22, 2011, 01:53 AM
I'd totally forgotten about that sequence....  It was all kinds of awesome, and added a ton to her character's savagery.  I hope we see that for sure.  I'm betting a lot will be put into the "Force Dream" thing with the Father, Son, and Daughter.

Or perhaps an hour about poisoned drinks on Mandalore that was edited out of that **** sandwich.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: McMetal on October 19, 2011, 10:39 AM
So I've been to 3 different stores now to purchase the Season 3 set and noone carries the Blu-Ray version. WTF?

I know Best Buy will have it but I hate that store with a passion so there has to be a better brick and mortar option.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: iFett on October 19, 2011, 11:55 AM
My Target had several of both flavors this AM.  Was this the season with the tainted school lunches?  Will probably skip it.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Brian on October 19, 2011, 01:58 PM
Yeah, our local Target had several of both versions as well.  It seems like they are regular boxed releases this time around, as opposed to the last couple seasons which had that book-like packaging with the art/etc. included inside.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Jabba the Slug on October 22, 2011, 02:21 AM
Can anyone who's bought the Season 3 DVD confirm if the scene is included where Asajj kisses Colt after she runs him through?

For anyone who has no kriffin' idea of what that is, it's right here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=esbI1HTzRHA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=esbI1HTzRHA)
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: TheSon on October 23, 2011, 06:37 PM
Yes, it is in the regular cut of the episode as was originally intended. The blu-ray archives also have several mock up deleted scenes that are worth watching. The packaging is a step down, but if you liked what you found with season 2 this is a great pick- up.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Diddly on January 5, 2012, 01:29 AM
Got the Blu-Ray for Christmas and just recently finished it... what a borefest. The first two episodes were good, as was the Citadel storyline, but that was pretty much it. The "World's Most Dangerous Game" story with Chewbacca was decent too but everything else was terrible. Poisoned tea was as bad as everyone has already mentioned, and the Savage storyline was worse than I remember it being from the one episode I saw when the season was airing. And what was up with that stupid neverending arc involving the ghost chick and the Sith Demon dude and their dad? I think I fell asleep about 3 times during those episodes.

Huge thumbs down for this season.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Jesse James on January 5, 2012, 01:39 AM
I couldn't agree more (not that I have the DVD's though), on the "The Son, Daughter, & Father" arc...  I honestly thought that was pretty bad, and tastes worse the 2nd time around.

Color me unimpressed with last season, and so far this season has been better, but I'm really afraid this series has too much of Lucas' portly digits in it.  I mean, how sad is that to say?  You can just see him stepping up on the bridge, and taking the wheel from the hands of a guy like Filoni, giving it a good spin, cackling, and walking away. 

The formula's simple...  "Landing At Point Rain" = good.  "Poisoned Tea & Politics" = bad.  It's turned into Lucas just expanding the ******** aspects of the prequals even further, and at the expense of kids.

It's sad when one of the better things you can say about the series is that it made Jar Jar a little more tolerable.

And in CW news there's a new episode this week, and it shows some promise.  I've liked the current "slave" arc and Anakin being all Sithy but containing it (barely).  The new season isn't as bad as last season, but it's gotta really pick up I think to rival the momentum the series had early in its run.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Jabba the Slug on January 13, 2012, 01:35 AM
I came across the DVD Season 3 and... skipped it. For the few episodes worth re-watching, I couldn't justify dropping $40+ on the set.

Season 4 is definitely making up for Season 3. Still waiting for Darth Maul...
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: McMetal on September 21, 2012, 09:02 AM
So...I only just got around to buying Season 3 on Blu-Ray last week and have been watching several episodes per night to get those out of the way prior to the Season 5 premier/Season 4 Blu-Ray release.

In retrospect, this season got sort of a bad rap, top to bottom it was really not all that terrible, IMHO. It seems like they were experimenting with a number of different things that ultimately did not blend well. The non-sequential continuity jumping stories were confusing. And the political stuff was just brutally tedious.

But after you get through those last 2 banking de-regulation episodes, the rest of the season is all solid arcs - Savage Oppress, Mortiis, Citadel, Wookies & Trandoshans. Good stuff. (Ok, you either loved or hated the Mortiis stuff - I personally loved it, right up until the part where they lost their memory at the end)

I had forgotten about some of the really cool toys that could have been made from this Season: The Selkath bounty hunter, Aurra Sing in Assassin Gear, the transforming janitor/suicide bomb droids, etc etc. Damn shame they can't even repaint a Bossk to put out single carded Trandoshan now.

Looking forward to new stuff, although not as much as previous years, given the sad state of the toy line now.