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Title: The Walking Dead
Post by: Mikey D on November 2, 2010, 08:09 AM
Anyone catch The Walking Dead?  Fantastic first episode that had everything anyone could ask for - drama, emotion, hot chicks, gore and zombies (the best looking ones I've seen, especially for a TV series).

Hopefully this gets picked up for a second season, 6 episodes isn't enough.

Should this show get it's own thread?  Granted, it's not for everyone, but my guess is it'll get enough interest here.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Neal on November 2, 2010, 09:42 AM
I missed the premiere on Sunday night, but I'm going to DVR the replay on Friday night (10:00 PM EST).  I'm looking forward to it and have heard nothing but good things about it so far.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jeff on November 2, 2010, 09:42 AM
I watched it on Sunday...  I'm not sure I'll stick with it (too many zombie headshots), but I thought it was really good.

Parts of it were scary as hell for me... esp. the part with the dark stairwell at the hospital.  No way would I have gone in there after seeing the stuff he saw in the hallway. (http://www.jedidefender.com/images/newsicons/icon28.gif)

I also loved the overhead shot at the end, swarming the tank... creepy.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: GrandMoffNick on November 2, 2010, 09:46 AM
What station is this on? A&E, AMC? I remember it has an A  :-\

May have to give it a watch. I think I get those channels.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Master_Phruby on November 2, 2010, 10:10 AM
AMC - the station my wife boycotted because they cancelled Remember WENN.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Tracy on November 2, 2010, 01:37 PM
How could she boycott Mad Men?  ???
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on November 2, 2010, 03:56 PM
"Hey Dumbass...."

I like the guy that got on the radio to him once he got in the tank. 

****** thing is, you can't get to the drivers compartment in an Abrams from the turret.  :-\

It's a fantastic series though, if episode 1 was any indication.  The zombie capital of the world is proud. :P

People have been wondering if the half-eaten woman in the park is someone he knew.  Why go back to her and shoot her, when all the crap going on around you is taking place?  I'd likely have avoided lingering there.  Should've stayed at the cop station.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Mikey D on November 2, 2010, 04:17 PM

****** thing is, you can't get to the drivers compartment in an Abrams from the turret.  :-\


Nerd.


People have been wondering if the half-eaten woman in the park is someone he knew.  Why go back to her and shoot her, when all the crap going on around you is taking place?  I'd likely have avoided lingering there.  Should've stayed at the cop station.

I don't think he knew her, I think he just wanted to put her out of her misery.  Remember, that scene was being intercut with the scene of the father doing target practice from the window so he could put zombie wife out of her misery (but ultimately couldn't).  Rick probably felt sorry for half zombie woman.  It took half zombie how long to tranverse the park? Two days?  Something Rick did in ten minutes.  Even for a half dead witless creature, that has to suck.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on November 2, 2010, 04:24 PM
I guess there's a possible way for the driver to get through, but the turret has to be ina  specific position for it to happen.  ;D  Making me even nerdier.

Toob ad he can't drive it.  I'd dig seeing some zombie crushing with a tank.

And you're right Mike.  A guy who has kept up with the comic since its beginning said that it was a way for him to show that he cares, and that he's not just a jerk, and that he's accepting the situation he's been put into, and that he knows that the zombies are still people and they're just overcome by something they couldn't control.  Showing basically that he's a good man, and still has feelings about everything, but that he'd do the right thing.

I still say its a waste of a bullet though.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Master_Phruby on November 3, 2010, 10:21 AM
So would a hord of zombies really be able to bring down a horse and rip into it with their teeth and fingers? It just doesn't seem posible to rip into a horse like that without a knife.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: JediJman on November 3, 2010, 04:27 PM
So would a hord of zombies really be able to bring down a horse and rip into it with their teeth and fingers? It just doesn't seem posible to rip into a horse like that without a knife.

Keep in mind that a lot of the hands are likely sporting long/broken finger nails and/or broken bones.  You can stratch through your own skin pretty easily with filed down nails (at least the top layers), so I think zombies could probably cut through horse flesh en masse.

I have read some of the WD comics and can't wait to catch this show.  We don't get AMC, but am hoping to catch it online.  Anyone know if AMC.com is carrying it?
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on November 3, 2010, 08:03 PM
This brings up the interesting lunch conversations my friends were having one day, about how many 8 year olds you could fight off before you're overwhelmed.  You have no weapons, only your body to defend yourself.

The horse faced his 8 year olds, and he lost.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: efranks on November 4, 2010, 01:28 AM
Or how many Cambodian Midgets Wrestlers can a lion hold off? 

I passed on watching this Sunday night, not realizing that they weren't going to rebroadcast the first episode during the week.  I may try to catch up with it online and then follow it but if not, I may just wait till AMC runs a marathon before their second season or whatever.

I'm generally not a zombie fan but this show does sound interesting and it's been getting good buzz.

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Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on November 4, 2010, 01:53 AM
Hmmm, that is a little less personal of a question, but valid nonetheless.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Neal on November 4, 2010, 09:20 AM


I passed on watching this Sunday night, not realizing that they weren't going to rebroadcast the first episode during the week. 

Actually, the show is rebroadcast multiple times during the week.  The next showing of the first episode is tomorrow night at 10:00 PM EST.

The Walking Dead schedule (http://blogs.amctv.com/search/?t=SCHEDULE&btnSubmit.x=0&btnSubmit.y=0&q=the+walking+dead)
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: efranks on November 4, 2010, 12:21 PM
Nice.  That wasn't listed when I looked it up Monday morning.

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Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on November 5, 2010, 03:56 PM
I watched it night before last via On Demand and thought it was great except for a couple of things.

First, how are you going to wake up in zombie world and not start asking about a million questions? I mean, you're not even curious a LITTLE how it all started? I get that the dude is not talkative but come on bro, get some backstory.

Second, I hate to get on a high horse, no pun intended, but did they really have to make the wife such a callow b*tch? First, you cruise out of town with your kid but don't even stop by the hospital to pick up your injured husband, and worse you start banging his best friend after what, 2 weeks? Wow, don't let any moss grow on that thing lady.

It sort of turns the whole thing into an absurd farce, like some twisted play on the Odyssey, where the husband defies all manner of obstacles to reunite with his "loyal wife" only to find she started nailing his best friend 5 minutes after he was out of the picture.  ::) Not exactly epic.

About now I am just hoping she and her dumbass lover get ripped apart and eaten, leaving the kid and hid Dad to ride off into the sunset.

More zombies, less love triangle...

Will have to work hard to top the ending of Dead Set.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Master_Phruby on November 5, 2010, 06:04 PM
Does it seem that the show is a little out of order? At the beginning, the sheriff goes to a ripped up camp site and shoots the zombie girl. Later in the show we see the same camp site with his wife and kid there. It just seemed like a random flash forward since he never got to the camp site or I don't remember them leaving the site.

What I also don't under is how does a guy in coma survive in a hospital for two weeks by himself while zombies are running rampid thru the buiding but no one ever goes in his room? Every room is trashed expect his? The hospital staff never moved him?
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jeff on November 8, 2010, 10:04 AM
Not a bad follow-up episode last night.  The "smell like the dead thing" was pretty gross, but I loved the 2fast2furious-esque zombie distraction scheme.  Sucks to be the guy in handcuffs...
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on November 8, 2010, 01:42 PM
Yeah, some great stuff in last night's episode, mostly the dismemberment and gut smearing scene. Just brutal and awesome. Seemed like kind of a stretch that the rain would expose them so quick, but I guess they had to come up with something.

So what's up with the Asian kid? Will we see him again? I kept thinking they would cut back to the black guy and his son too sometime last night but I guess that arc is over.

Always good to see Maria Covarrubias getting work too. (Blond chick, old dudes like me remember her from her role on the X-Files)

Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on November 9, 2010, 12:01 AM
Loved it...  Looks like the guy on the roof isn't out yet.  The door got padlocked...  but how the hell do you get to him when the building is overrun, ya know?

The ultimate weapon is a flamethrower...  They need to make one I think.  Though I still would've liked seeing what an Abrams could've done to the mass zombie crowd around it.  :P

Tanks have a nasty habit of making people fly apart.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Mikey D on November 9, 2010, 08:15 AM
It sounds like most of you haven't read the comic books.  I don't think it's necessary, but it does make some things easier to understand.

First, how are you going to wake up in zombie world and not start asking about a million questions? I mean, you're not even curious a LITTLE how it all started? I get that the dude is not talkative but come on bro, get some backstory.


I'd chaulk that up to waking up confused, hungry, thirsty and generally out of it.  And FYI, we're almost 80 issues into the comic's run and we still don't know what caused the zombie apocalypse, so I don't think anyone would know anyways.

Does it seem that the show is a little out of order? At the beginning, the sheriff goes to a ripped up camp site and shoots the zombie girl. Later in the show we see the same camp site with his wife and kid there. It just seemed like a random flash forward since he never got to the camp site or I don't remember them leaving the site.


Not the same camp site.  That scene was actually never in the books, the first issue opens with the car shoot out and then Rick waking up in the hospital.  I guess they wanted an opening bang for the TV show, thus shooting of zombie girl (which takes place between the police station raid and Rick finding the horse).


What I also don't under is how does a guy in coma survive in a hospital for two weeks by himself while zombies are running rampid thru the buiding but no one ever goes in his room? Every room is trashed expect his? The hospital staff never moved him?

It wasn't exactly clear, but the dead were all managed to be corraled in the room that Rick saw chained up and the dead woman in the hallway was most likely his caretaker that met her demise while caring for Rick.  There was a gurney in front of Rick's room to try to deter zombies from entering.  With those and the military outside, probably making a **** ton of noise, I can see how one lone person, who wasn't awake or moving, can be missed by the zombies.


So what's up with the Asian kid? Will we see him again?

Glenn's a pretty major character in the book, as is Andrea (the blond chick in the department store).  The others in the store are new for the TV show and don't appear in the books.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jeff on November 9, 2010, 10:27 AM
The others in the store are new for the TV show and don't appear in the books.

And therefore are likely to be zombie-chow as the show needs characters to kill off...  :P
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Master_Phruby on November 9, 2010, 10:41 AM
I've never heard of the comic books until hearing about this show. I like the show. I just hope it doesn't stay dark and depressing (like BSG)  the entire time. The audience needs a break from that sometimes.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Morgbug on November 9, 2010, 12:40 PM
Call me a pessimist but I'm having a hard time seeing the lighter side of the zombie apocalypse.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on November 9, 2010, 03:45 PM
Haha.  :D

You haven't hung out with them Johnstown rednecks!  THey're having a field day with this! (paraphrasing NotLD)
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Master_Phruby on November 9, 2010, 05:47 PM
It would be really easy to give it the MST3K treatment.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: shmashwitdaclub on November 9, 2010, 08:05 PM
I just ordered my Comcast TV service back and it is being installed Thursday.  I am hoping this series is in the "On Demand" section.  anyone know?  I haven't watched an episode yet so I am looking forward to it. 
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on November 9, 2010, 08:14 PM
Someone said that it is, on a forum I visit.  Love my Comcast, honestly, and On-Demand.  It's fantastic.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: iFett on November 9, 2010, 09:33 PM
I've no clue what this show is about (other then zombies) May try and DVR this and see what all the hub-bub is about...Hopefully it's not like 24 where you're almost completely lost without viewing every show...
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on November 9, 2010, 10:49 PM
I think it's easy to follow...  Zombie stuff's not ever that complex IMO, but you're more focused on the humanity of it for sure.  That's more the thing to pay attention to, and the zombies are just the situation.

With how much they have to work with (as far as time), this should be "...of the dead" type movies on steroids because they have a lot more time to work with.  It's like watching one of those films and seeing a lot more detail you always wanted to see.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on November 10, 2010, 10:17 AM
Just saw this was already picked up for a second season, which is surprising and great. I figured it would just be a one-and-done miniseries.

Mikey - I've been trying to catch up with the comic storylines - have you read them all?

I have questions but I guess I can't post them without providing inadvertant spoilers.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Mikey D on November 10, 2010, 10:52 AM

Mikey - I've been trying to catch up with the comic storylines - have you read them all?


All of them up to and including volume 12 of the TPBs.  Volume 13 gets released in a couple of weeks.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: jedi_master_sal on November 10, 2010, 12:12 PM
Man, this show is awesome. Like a mini Zombie movie every week.

I loved how the redneck got his dues for the beating he put on earlier in the episode.

I want to see Rick in more danger though. Not enough for me yet.

I haven't read the comic and won't. I don't want to be spoiled by it. I'd rather enjoy the episodes as they come out.

I can't wait to see more though.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: speedermike on November 10, 2010, 03:24 PM
The show doesn't follow the comic at this point.  Same ideas, same plot points, same beats, but in very different order.  The show is fine, but I'm oddly bored by it.  Don't know why. But I'l stick wth it.  I found the comic kind of crummy.  Over written and cliche.  But I like anything that post-apocolyptic.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: shmashwitdaclub on November 12, 2010, 09:06 AM
Just got my Comcast installed last night.  While the installation sucked and the tool installer didn't bring my HD-DVR box, he did, for the moment, install an HD box.  Jerk lied to me and said it wasn't on the order, after he left I called Comcast about another issue, and asked about the box and they said it was indeed clearly on the order.  The installer was one of those guys you can tell was a liar from the get go...

Anyway, at that time I was able to find that the series is indeed in the On Demand section.  I think they are putting the new episodes on there within a day of them being released.  I did watch the little 9 min motion comic they had on there - and I will get to watch the episodes soon when I get the time.   ;D

lookig forward to them based on what the majority is saying here.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Tracy on November 12, 2010, 03:43 PM

Second, I hate to get on a high horse, no pun intended, but did they really have to make the wife such a callow b*tch? First, you cruise out of town with your kid but don't even stop by the hospital to pick up your injured husband, and worse you start banging his best friend after what, 2 weeks? Wow, don't let any moss grow on that thing lady.

It sort of turns the whole thing into an absurd farce, like some twisted play on the Odyssey, where the husband defies all manner of obstacles to reunite with his "loyal wife" only to find she started nailing his best friend 5 minutes after he was out of the picture.  ::) Not exactly epic.

About now I am just hoping she and her dumbass lover get ripped apart and eaten, leaving the kid and hid Dad to ride off into the sunset.

More zombies, less love triangle...


I thought the same thing.  I just finished watching it ON Demand and thought it was well done - until it took a sharp turn with the scene with his cheating wife and best friend.  I thought it was totally pedestrian and uncalled for.  Throw them to the zombies, I say..... ::)
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Tracy on November 13, 2010, 06:15 PM

Second, I hate to get on a high horse, no pun intended, but did they really have to make the wife such a callow b*tch? First, you cruise out of town with your kid but don't even stop by the hospital to pick up your injured husband, and worse you start banging his best friend after what, 2 weeks? Wow, don't let any moss grow on that thing lady.



After watching the 2nd episode last night, it seems like maybe they were banging each other well before the viral outbreak (if that is what this is considered) began.  Possible she felt some remorse and decency and wanted to get her husband from the hospital - but lover boy gave her a laundry list of why that wouldn't be a smart idea.  Might be that it is classic foreshadowing, but I wish they would just stick to the "average good guy is trying to get back to his average wife" story line.  I think the other stories are more than compelling to keep people interested.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on November 14, 2010, 08:58 PM
Good point Tracy, I had thought that too, would kinda make sense in light of the conversation Rick and Shane had in their patrol car at the beginning of Ep 1. But in a way that's even worse, because that conversation clearly portrays him as somewhat of a dick (Shane that is). Plus then it's just straight out adultery, not even framed by the whole "end of world my husband's in a coma" type rationalizations.

More to the point though, it IS distracting and hits a false note somehow.

Well hopefully it all goes away after tonight since it looks like they'll finally reunite.

Bring on The Governor!
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on November 15, 2010, 09:24 AM
Ugh, what a snoozer! I knew when it got to be 10:43pm and they hadn't even left for Atlanta, it was going to be a wasted episode. For a show about zombies, it might be good to actually feature some, you know, ZOMBIES.  ::)

I do give the writers props for adding some depth and shading to the characters. You kinda came away with a different take on Shane and the Wife. Gotta admit, I find it hard to dislike any guy who dishes out a savage beating like that on such an unrepentant a-hole.

Other thoughts/ observations:

HTF did Merle get down off the roof if the door was still chained?

Where were all the zombies when they were sneaking back to the dept store? They only saw 1? The place was swarming the previous day...you'd think there would still be plenty of them lumbering around. Were they all at the movies?

Maybe it's just me, but even if it's the end of the world and the living dead are running amuck, I am not having sex with my wife while my kid is in the same tent. ICK!!!

Next week's episode looks a lot more exciting...
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: shmashwitdaclub on November 15, 2010, 12:08 PM
I have now watched all three episodes and I have really enjoyed each one.

I missed the scenes from the next (4th) episode, so I have no clue wwhat they showed.  If I were to take a blind guess at where did Merle (if that was his name) go I would guess the ventillation ducts or something to that matter on the top of the building.

As to where did all the zombies go?  I would also guess that they are headed to the hills to find food elsewhere just like the one eating the dear did.  Again, I didn't see the previews for the next one, but I would say it is pretty obvious that they are not going to be able to stay hidden in the hills for ever.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: efranks on November 15, 2010, 01:40 PM
I watched the mini marathon they had on last night to get caught up on this series.

Generally, it's not bad.  But a few things stood out that I didn't care for;

We're three episodes into the series and nobody has really told Rick how this infection got started and spread.  We don't know how long he was in the hospital and he doesn't seem to even care.  He just buys into the fact this is his new reality.

On that same topic, Rick was in a coma, or whatever, for some period of time while this infection is spreading.  The hospital is evacuated, or everyone makes a run for it (being chased by zombies, I assume), and one guy left alone in an open bed, not even some type of quarantine area, doesn't arbitrarily get eaten?  Or infected when his immune system had to have been somewhat compromised by his being shot?

Rick goes to Atlanta, a city with a population of over 5 million, and of all the possible people he finds he hooks up with those that are with his wife?  On the first try?  And of those 20 or so people he gets two racist rednecks and a wife beater?  What kind of ****** odds are those.

Don't get bitten or scratched.  That's kind of a standard for Zombie movies, but it's okay to soak yourself in the entrails of a zombie?  Or in the new episode, Daryl was wiping off arrows that he used to kill a zombie on his own pant leg.  I don't know, but I'd want to be in a containment suit if I was going to handle anything liquid coming out of the zombies.

I'm sure a couple of these questions will get answered going forward, but while the drama of the show is pretty good, it's the little things that had me wondering last night.

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Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Morgbug on November 15, 2010, 01:53 PM
How the hell is Merle not dead after hacksawing his hand off?  Ok, we don't know he's not dead but I doubt they're killing him off.  Yeah, I know, he probably put the belt around his wrist (although to actually stem the flow he'd have to have it way further up his arm because the radius and ulna would limit compression to any extreme) as a tourniquet but really, people kill themselves by slashing their wrists, so even with the best of intentions in an extremely stressful situation (dehydrated, being chased by zombies, just hacked off your hand) how long could you really live without serious medical attention? 
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on November 15, 2010, 04:39 PM
I've seen deer missing limbs, we had a cat who'd lost a leg on her own at some point (feral, tried taming her, didn't work)...  I've just always assumed it's possible.  He's also sort of from the "survivalist" type mentality with his family it seems.  I can suspend disbelief on him wandering off without a hand and making it.  Maybe he used gator clips to pinch off the veins, like forceps?  :)

I liked the episode...  It was almost all revolving around establishing some background, some updates, and setting up where everyone is and what they're doing, or going to be doing, and who everyone in the camp is.  It had a little zombie action, a bit of tension...  I enjoyed it.

I was curiosu about the Zombies at the store too, but where'd the hillbilly go?  How'd he get out?  The zombies also lose interest and wander off if you have the fortified area they can't get into.  Remember the black family in the first episode.  I'm guessing they staggered out of the store searching for food.

I'm curious if the car attracted the zombie outside the city, or if they are like bears (as was suggested) and just wander out searching for food.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt on November 15, 2010, 10:16 PM
How the hell is Merle not dead after hacksawing his hand off?

I like to think that he had a lighter on him and cauterized his own wound.  That's what I want to see.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Tracy on November 20, 2010, 02:38 PM
How the hell is Merle not dead after hacksawing his hand off?

I like to think that he had a lighter on him and cauterized his own wound.  That's what I want to see.

Why the hell didn't he just hack through the (realtively) small chain on the handcuffs instead of his hand?  ???
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt_Fury on November 20, 2010, 06:41 PM
Tracy,

Watch the end of Mad Max.  You might find your answer.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on November 20, 2010, 07:12 PM
Tracy,

Watch the end of Mad Max.  You might find your answer.

Yeah, but he had no time constraints really? Heck, he probably could have sawed through the pipe he was chained to after a few hours.

There was a huge comic convention here today and Walking Dead was everywhere. I was very tempted to pick up a few of the anthologies but they weren't cheap.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: JediJman on November 21, 2010, 12:38 AM
Okay, so I just saw the first episode and trying very hard not to read the spoilers on 2-4.  I don't get AMC - anyone know of a good place to catch episodes online?  E1 was kick-butt...great ending!
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on November 21, 2010, 09:52 PM
Okay, so I just saw the first episode and trying very hard not to read the spoilers on 2-4.  I don't get AMC - anyone know of a good place to catch episodes online?  E1 was kick-butt...great ending!

You can watch them all On-Demand for free if your cable system offers that service. HD too.

High hopes for tonight's episode...
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: JediJman on November 21, 2010, 11:59 PM
Okay, so I just saw the first episode and trying very hard not to read the spoilers on 2-4.  I don't get AMC - anyone know of a good place to catch episodes online?  E1 was kick-butt...great ending!

You can watch them all On-Demand for free if your cable system offers that service. HD too.

High hopes for tonight's episode...

I don't have On-Demand, but thanks.  Any other ideas?
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on November 22, 2010, 09:30 AM
Hmm, no ideas on other ways to watch, no...sorry. I abhor watching TV on the computer, so sort of at a loss for recommendations. (BTW, stop reading now if you don't want spoilers)

Last night's episode was top notch, maybe the best so far. This is the formula they need to continue to follow: equal amounts of character development/pathos and sweet zombie killing action.

I really liked the subplot with the Vatos, not at all what I was expecting.

Think they are pushing it a little bit with Merle. Get that the dude is born-again hard, but he's not superman. I hope they don't drag that out too long. How did he know they left the van there anyway? Did they just leave the keys in it too?  ::)

I really like the old dude in the Gilligan hat too...he adds a nice bit of depth and color.

So besides the wifebeater and blond girl, who else got killed at the camp? Looked like another woman/girl whom I did not recognize? Anyone catch that?


Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Morgbug on November 22, 2010, 11:40 AM
I enjoyed the episode quite a bit as well but only watched it once so missed a few details I'll pick up through the week as it's rebroadcast. 

Still not buying that Merle could stem the blood flow adequately with his belt while cutting off his hand - he'd of had to crush the bones to stem the flow.  But I'll give the plot guys credit for having him at least cauterize the wound. 
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Hemish on November 22, 2010, 03:09 PM
Awesome episode.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt_Fury on November 22, 2010, 06:00 PM
Tracy,

Watch the end of Mad Max.  You might find your answer.

Yeah, but he had no time constraints really? Heck, he probably could have sawed through the pipe he was chained to after a few hours.

I haven't seen any of this series yet, so I don't know the context.  Just seemed like a plausible answer.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt on November 24, 2010, 12:57 AM
But I'll give the plot guys credit for having him at least cauterize the wound. 

Credit also due to the guy in reply #45 who first mentioned cauterizing, even if he did get the method wrong.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on November 24, 2010, 02:28 AM
Tracy,

Someone, and now I forget who, said the saw's blade was too dull to cut well so he cut his hand off due to that...  Merle did have the time constraint of drinking something too, which I'm sure in the Atlanta heat on a high-rise rooftop probably was not going well.

I think maybe his brother said about the blade being dull...  I was doing metal work this past weekend, and dull blades won't cut much.  Cop handcuffs are, I think, pretty strong too.  The pipe would actually probably have been weaker metal but obviously a lot thicker to cut through...  probably balances out.

What I don't get is how he got inside/downstairs in geek-fest 2010. 

I'm sticking with the, "animals can lose a limb and live", theory...  I had a cat that happened to, one I still have that had its leg half-ripped-off for a day + and we had to have it amputated for it.  I've seen even deer missing a leg.  I suppose it's possible.  Agreed though that they took the above advice on the wound being sealed up.

It's kind of amazing what adrenaline can do for people's longevity I guess.  What I find odd though is how the episode ended, but where's Merle at?  No way he couldn't beat them to the camp, if he's driving, so what's up with that then?

I found the Zombie attack at the end kind of weird too...  So they wandered out in one big pack, to the camp?  Huh?  And they didn't get tangled in any of the traps the people had for them (they had tin can traps and other things set up in the trees).  I also couldn't gather who got chewed up and who didn't too.  I saw people getting chewed up that nobody seemed to really care about afterwards.  That was odd.

And man, if you're going for that big bag of guns, I'd have gone back for that .50 then.  There has to be other military hardware out there too near the tank/checkpoint where the bag was dropped, but if those gang guys really wanted firepower, get the hell back out and get that .50.  It'd be a zombie lawnmower from a strategic, protected position.  It'd f up anyone coming to steal your old people's stuff too.

I'm curious who we'll see come back up in the episode too, and who may just fade off...  Will the black guy and his kid come back?  Will the group link up with the gang and old people?  And the looter/raider thing is almost bound to come back up.

Great series...  REally is fantastic.  I can't wait to see more every week, even though I usually wind up having to wait a little bit.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Tracy on November 24, 2010, 09:00 AM
I guess I just figured two arm bones weren't so easy to saw through either - especially at the joint.   :-\
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on November 24, 2010, 03:06 PM
If you think about it, he really only had to saw his thumb off. The rest could have fit through pretty easily.

Oh, Merle! ::)
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on November 24, 2010, 03:50 PM
If you think about it, he really only had to saw his thumb off. The rest could have fit through pretty easily.

Oh, Merle! ::)

That's funny. :)
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Morgbug on November 24, 2010, 05:44 PM
If you think about it, he really only had to saw his thumb off. The rest could have fit through pretty easily.

Oh, Merle! ::)

He also could have probably dislocated his thumb and got out as well.  Not sure how you'd go about it but if you could fold it over somehow then you could probably slide the cuff over the hand.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on November 24, 2010, 08:31 PM
If he were really smart, he'd have made his hand as wide as possible and pulled it down as far as possible while the cuffs went on.  But he's apparantly Merle, and Merle only knows three ways to do things.  The right way, the wrong way, and the Merle way...  Merle's way is the wrong way only faster, so he went with that.

And voila.  Hand on the roof.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BillCable on November 24, 2010, 08:52 PM
If he were really smart, he'd have made his hand as wide as possible and pulled it down as far as possible while the cuffs went on. 

Yeah... trained cops love it when you do that.   ;)
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on November 24, 2010, 08:59 PM
He didn't seem to be paying much attention, actually, with all the mass confusion and fighting. :)  And surprisingly, a lot of trained cops fall for that. 

But he's Merle...  *sigh*  He was just more worried about his meth or whatever he had, and keeping race relations warm and toasty in the U.S., even with zombies.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt_Fury on November 24, 2010, 11:09 PM
I'm hoping that AMC does a full marathon of the shows before the finale.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on November 24, 2010, 11:22 PM
I was thinking they were doing something this weekend, but obviously that's not the full season by any means.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: JediJman on November 26, 2010, 11:53 PM
I was thinking they were doing something this weekend, but obviously that's not the full season by any means.

Could be - there are only 6 episodes in the can for season 1.  We won't see an Episode 7 until about a year from now according to Entertainment Weekly. 

I've still had no luck finding episode 2+ online.  I'm going to have to pay Itunes for it methinks.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on November 29, 2010, 09:47 AM
Is there really only one more episode after last night? Eesh, hope not, this is severely addictive.

Five episodes in now, I think we've established that the best formula for the show is equal measures human interest/zombie killin'. They just need to work on the pacing a little to smooth this out on an episode by episode basis. We've now had 2 episodes that were mostly all talking and very little zombie action. That's a little slow and uneven, IMO. I prefer 30 minutes of the drama and 30 minutes of action, blended appropriately.

That said, even the less action packed episodes are pretty dang riveting, and always filled with at least 2-3 very memorable scenes. Loved the abused woman going to town on her dead husband's skull with the pick axe. Loved the last scene with Jim under the tree. Loved the hat-guy (maybe my favorite character in the show) totally busting Shane locking down on Rick in the woods. (Why the sudden heel turn though? I was just starting to like him again)

Liking the new angle with the CDC guy too. (Wish they had done better with the microscope close-up though, that seemed really cheesy somehow) I wonder if his lament over the lack of fresh tissue samples to study will lead them to try and retrieve Jim's body at some point. Figured dude would be at least a little happy to see other survivors though, guess not so much.

So what's Merle up to? Is he gonna find the note on the red car too?
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Greg on November 29, 2010, 10:51 AM
Loved the hat-guy (maybe my favorite character in the show) totally busting Shane locking down on Rick in the woods. (Why the sudden heel turn though? I was just starting to like him again)

I too didn't like the darker turn that Shane took, but it just goes to show the character is human. He was tempted to eliminate the "problem" that was going to put everyone in danger. I think my ultimate judgement of the character depends on what he would've done had hat-guy not shown up.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt on November 29, 2010, 11:29 AM
He was tempted to eliminate the "problem" that was going to put everyone in danger.

That wasn't the only reason he was tempted to take Rick out.

Hat-Guy's name is Dale, and he's played by Jeffrey DeMunn (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeffrey_DeMunn) who's been in all of Frank Darabont's projects.  (Not being an ******* here--I didn't know his name or the character's name, either, so I had to look this **** up, myself.)  Really liked him in Green Mile, and I really like him here, too.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on November 29, 2010, 11:57 AM
Liking the new angle with the CDC guy too. (Wish they had done better with the microscope close-up though, that seemed really cheesy somehow) I wonder if his lament over the lack of fresh tissue samples to study will lead them to try and retrieve Jim's body at some point. Figured dude would be at least a little happy to see other survivors though, guess not so much.

Well, he's researching and these people with their problems show up, so....another hassle to deal with.

On the other hand, he's near suicide at this point, from frustration or lonliness or whatever. Guess we'll find out next week (or year.)

I don't understand why they weren't picking up assault rifles from the dead army personel. I realize they wanted to be quiet, but come on...

Sucks that it'll be a year before episode 7. That's what stinks about these cable shows. Shorter seasons and longer wait.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: efranks on November 29, 2010, 02:42 PM
One thing we got from the CDC guy, a timeline.  He said in the one recording that it was 193 or 195 (something like that) days since the virus got out and 160-something since it went global.  But, we don't know exactly when he made that recording in relation to our gang showing up.  Still, that's 6 months which is damn fast to wipe out the world.

As for the gang not picking up rifles, that's a huge, tremendously HUGE, pet peeve of mine.  It seems that nearly all movies and TV shows do the same thing.  The hero is walking around with limited weapons and ammo and never picks up the guns lying around.  And when they do, which is rare, the film/show always treats it like a surprise to the audience hoping we'll have that "Oh, ****, he totally owned that bad guy that thought he was all out of ammo and **** by picking up the dead guy's gun and totally using it! ****, that wus ******' awesome." 

   E...
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Greg on November 29, 2010, 03:46 PM
I probably need to look more closely, but are there assault rifles just lying around? I've noticed the machine guns (.50 cal on the ground and tank) and vehicles, but nothing smaller. I'm no firearm expert, but I imagine that several months of no usage while exposed to the elements will not do wonders for a weapon. That has been my justification for the survivors not taking the military weapons... though why they wouldn't take the tank is beyond me.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on November 29, 2010, 07:00 PM
I watched the CDC arrival parts twice, there's a rifle on the sandbags (plus another .50 caliber heavy mg, a heavy item that would take time to move and transport.)

Tanks are slow and use a lot of fuel. Besides, who'd have experience operating one?

But why the "Vatos" in said episode were intent on the bag of guns that'd been there a day but hadn't got the .50 caliber mg from the sandbagged position  that was likely there for weeks is questionable, especially with operational cars and strong guys who could load it up fairly fast.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt_Fury on November 29, 2010, 09:13 PM
For those of you, like me, who want to see this show from the beginning.  AMC is re-airing all  episodes before the season finale next week.

My DVR is ready to go!
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BillCable on November 29, 2010, 11:46 PM
Man, the first half of episode 5 just drug on and on with the melodrama and the weepiness.  "Oh the woman loves her sister so much she stand in vigil over her until she turns so she can say goodbye..."  Gag me.

Though the gore with the husband's head was probably the most disturbing scene of the entire series so far... so there was that.

Overall it wasn't as good as the others, IMO.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on November 30, 2010, 12:40 AM
On the issue of guns and not picking up guns...

It varies, but military-grade weapons could probably "sit out" a while and still function, and function better than some of what they're carrying around.  Pump shotguns are cool for scattering a room if you've got buckshot, and they're ok with slugs for putting people down fast.  Good weapons to have, but with ammunition being limited then I'd pick up anything I could, to carry around.

On .50's, they're trasnportable if you have about two people.  They've got enough people they could rely on to take one I think, that I'd take one.  Men would be preferrable to do the job though, out of that group anyway.  A .50 with a tripod is almost 130 lbs. I think.  They're incredibly reliable though and I think even sitting out they'd be an ideal zombie mower if you could use them from a secured position.

I don't know about the reliability of an M16 that's sat out in the weather/elements for 6 months, but like I said, anything is better than nothing.  You at least pick it up to clean later, get it functional...  It'd be far superior to a lot of what they're toting in a situation where picking multiple targets quickly and firing at them is really important...  not to mention you maybe can trade them too (The vato's mentioned roving gangs).  I know some AK models can (in some cases anyway) shoot with sand poured through them, wet, etc.  It's part of their popularity.

The current guy with the best weapon is the hillbilly (Merle's brother whose name I forget often).  He's got unlimited ammo if he remembers to go back and pick up his arrow, and he's very skilled with it which isn't all that easy.  It's quiet too, and he seems fairly fast with it.  He's like the Snakeeyes/Stormshadow of Zombie death. :)

As far as driving a tank, Abrams tanks are gas hogs, but they're made fairly simple to drive, actually...  if you could get one started and it had fuel, you'd have something nice to set up near a safe area...  Unrealistic?  Depends on who is in your group.

To me, it's not enough to detract too much from the show, but I would like to see them try to pick up some of the military gear and actually use it.  Grenades, pistols/assault rifles/any small arms...  If you were setting up shop at, say the sherriff's station from the beginning of the show, I'd want a couple of those .50's if you could get some folks together to haul them.

A Humvee would be a dandy ride too...   :-\

BTW, I don't look down on Shane either...  desperate times make people do things purely selfish.  Rick's the hero, and the focal character, but Shane is looking out for everyone too and himself...  Being selfish in that situation would probably be common for many.

I too think they'll maybe go back to grab Jim.  That seemed too easily set-up.

Will we ever see the hispanic family again?  That was depressing.  :'(
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on November 30, 2010, 05:07 PM
While we're on the military angle, the more I think about it, the more implausible it seems that the zombies would have just overrun everything and wiped out all the armed forces. They're slow and stupid, and even in vast numbers completely unorganized and ineffective as a serious fighting force. I mean, right off the bat - they can't climb or swim, at least hardly at all, and while not prone to exhaustion they do get weaker and starve, and utterly lack coordination or sophisticated motor skills. (I know they climbed the stairs in the dept store but I mean like scaling a wall or a fence)

I just think it would be relatively easy to defend against a largely immobile enemy like that. Lay down a heavy suppressing fire, fall back with the flamethrowers and aft incinerators, or whatever the current jargon is, and just let 'er rip. Any kind of fortified compound should be easy to defend I would think.

Now if it were Aliens or Predators - different story.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on November 30, 2010, 07:02 PM
The zombies in this series are a little weird...  They're slow and plodding, but then they pick up the pace when they're antagonized. 

The military thing seems unlikely to me too, but you figure crowds of civilians being protected, not knowing how to protect yourself....

Look at Jim, he hid his wounds a while.  Imagine if you DON'T know how to defend against the zombies, you don't know that they bite and infect you...  I could see them getting into the compounds and once they're inside a fortified area, the area's compromised and probably the infection spreads fast.

Where's the Navy, is my question.  You'd think islands/naval vessels may be less susceptable to all this.  That there could be islands without any infection and which aren't letting anyone on.

How'd it spread in the first place though?  HOw did people get this?  That's the kind of question I'd like answered.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: speedermike on November 30, 2010, 09:42 PM
The military thing doesn't bother me.  All it would take was one wounded dude to go into a base or something, turn zobie, start biting other dudes and then the military is weakened from within.

What bothers me is that the show just hangs around a lot.  I'm not a fan of the comic, but it was set up more as a road story, with locales changing often. I mean, it took them five episode to stop camping.

When I was in high school, my buddies and I were obsessed with Dawn of the Dead, and how we'd survive a zombie infestation. Our solution was to get to this one mall that had a supermarket and a Channel Hardware (remember them?) next to each other.  Grab the food, bring it into the hardware store, then use the tools, wood, pipes, saws and stuff to defend the store.  We even spent an afternnon in the hardware store figuring out our defense stratagies.  Honest.  No wonder we couldn't get dates.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on December 1, 2010, 09:49 PM
The US military doesn't use flamethrowers, not since the 60's, probably. I'd assume they'd kill a lot of zombies and do a lot of collatoral destruction in the process, possibly increasing chaos and hastening the end of civilization (I'm thinking of that Riegn of Fire movie where the dragons destroy human civilization).

There's remote enough island where people could survive...Kergulen wouldn't have much to worry about. or St. Helena or Mackinac Island  :P. That's assuming the elements were there for them to survive. Though, it depends on the nature of the contagion. If everyone who dies come back, you gotta know that and take appropriate steps.

Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on December 1, 2010, 10:17 PM
I think the military still has flamethrowers to use, they just haven't been seen in use since Vietnam I'd assume.  I assume they have access to something though.

Flamethrowers are good for clearing out a tight-quarters area...  Just spraying and praying with them, they're less effective.

I guess they've been largely replaced by incindiery weapons like the M202 "Flash" (which I'm not real familiar with really, other than it's more a rocket launcher).

I have a feeling traditional throwers are still available in surplus though.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Diddly on December 1, 2010, 10:23 PM
Apparently all of the writers for the show have been fired...
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on December 1, 2010, 10:29 PM
Wow...  I wonder why though?  It's just taking off.  How can you be so abrupt?
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Morgbug on December 1, 2010, 10:41 PM
Wow...  I wonder why though?  It's just taking off.  How can you be so abrupt?

No one bought the cauterizing thing, especially after going down an entire building while already stressed and dehydrated.  Too unrealistic, unlike the concept of zombies taking over the world.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on December 1, 2010, 11:42 PM
I guess...  no more so than not picking up the weapons though.  Come on?!

Watch the new crew have Merle show up with various power tools and stuff attachable to his stump, like Evil Dead or something similar.  That's when the show goes from, "Holy ****, this is what I expect of the actual zombie apocalypse", to simply silly and unbelievable.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on December 2, 2010, 10:41 AM
Apparently all of the writers for the show have been fired...

Link? This is news to me...
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BillCable on December 2, 2010, 10:45 AM
Link (http://www.deadline.com/2010/12/the-walking-dead-lets-go-of-writers-considers-no-writing-staff-for-season-2/)
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt on December 2, 2010, 10:51 AM
I guess...  no more so than not picking up the weapons though.  Come on?!

We're still on that?  Jeez.

They're right there; it's not like they can't go back and get them, ever.  They can do it off-screen, even:  "Hey, Bob, we went ahead and grabbed all the guns off the corpses, just like you suggested."  "Great, thanks."

Besides, the dead military guys' weapons are probably all out of ammo or else they wouldn't be dead military guys in the first place.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on December 2, 2010, 01:23 PM
Wow, nice end-around on the Writer's Guild...I'm sure they will love that.

I would prefer Darabont just write the whole thing and not even bother with freelancers. Better to have 1 guy that is consistent and knows what he is doing than a rotating cast of hired hands just looking for their next paycheck.

Otherwise it'll just end up like some godawful trainwreck like Heroes.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on December 2, 2010, 04:06 PM
We're still on that?  Jeez.

They're right there; it's not like they can't go back and get them, ever.  They can do it off-screen, even:  "Hey, Bob, we went ahead and grabbed all the guns off the corpses, just like you suggested."  "Great, thanks."

Besides, the dead military guys' weapons are probably all out of ammo or else they wouldn't be dead military guys in the first place.


Yes.  We will be on this forever, till you see reason, sir.

Dead soldiers probably have extra ammo on them...  neener neener neener.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Mainland05 on December 3, 2010, 04:14 PM
Great show, can't wait for the second season now.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on December 5, 2010, 12:04 AM
I think the military still has flamethrowers to use, they just haven't been seen in use since Vietnam I'd assume.  I assume they have access to something though.

Flamethrowers are good for clearing out a tight-quarters area...  Just spraying and praying with them, they're less effective.

I guess they've been largely replaced by incindiery weapons like the M202 "Flash" (which I'm not real familiar with really, other than it's more a rocket launcher).

I have a feeling traditional throwers are still available in surplus though.

Possibly. But I learned that the military doesn't use them in the field as weapons from hanging around GI JOE message boards where some know-it-alls about the real military occassionaly chime in. Of course, there were like 4 different flame thrower characters on the 80's-90's GI JOE team, to heck with miltiary reality.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Tracy on December 5, 2010, 01:15 PM
If I were a survivor I would be concerned about how the virus was spread.  If you had to be bit or scratched then I would think it would be blood or saliva/fluid borne.  I would be quite hesitant to wallow in the bloody body of someone who was bit, even if it was my beloved family member.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on December 6, 2010, 10:20 AM
Well, so much for that.  :'(

This was the best thing I have seen all year on TV, and I am totally going to miss it. If we really have to wait a whole year for new episodes that is going to suck.

Pretty good ending, would have liked to have been left with at least an inkling of where things are heading though.

Seems like at this point, your best bet is to hunker down, find a safe place and wait. They've already noted the zombies are starving, so a few more months and they should have degraded to a near inert level of activity. (the muscles will simply atrophy with a lack of nutrients I would expect)

The scenes in the CDC were mostly good, although again, you've got Joe Scientist standing there and still no one asks how it got started? Where was Ground Zero for the outbreak? I figure at least Rick would have been curious. We're still lacking a lot of key, basic information I feel like.

I still don't get Shane. They continue to show him alternating between noble and despicable, to the point where it's hard to grap the character's moral center. Is he just a good guy slowly going over the edge? Or something darker?

And how does anyone buy that "I must have scratched myself while sleeping" schtick? COME ON.

So why exactly does crew-cut lady have a grenade in her purse? Just thought it might come in handy later? And you weren't worried at all about keeping a potentially unstable explosive device inches from your daughter?  ::)

Did they forget all about Merle? Or the black guy and his son?

Best line of the night:

"That door is designed to withstand a rocket launcher"

"Your head ain't!"
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on December 6, 2010, 12:51 PM
The CDC Dr. Jenner was a downer. Also, I find it amusing had the survivors been one day later, they'd have found smoldering rubble. But everyone got a hot shower!

Also, Doc didn't know if it was a virus or what. Okaaay...I think they'd be able to establish more what it wasn't at least.

The brain scan thing was neat.

To add to the "not picking up weapons" thing,  the doctor noting that some assault rifles were left around...

Seems to me they need to consolidate some vehicles...too many for what, 11 people now.

We are left with two mysteries (beyond the virus), the helicopter in Atlanta and what the doctor told him.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Hemish on December 7, 2010, 02:44 AM
I think the doc told him about his wife and the other cop, he might have seen them on camera maybe??
The idea of what would happen to that building should the power go was good.

They got drunk, had bacon and eggs the next morning and then back on the road.

I figured more people would actually stay with the doc at the end though.

Given the circumstances I think I would probably do the same thing.

We still havent seen how he gets to the place he was in the first ep when he shoots the kid zombie though right?
So that still has to happen??
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Mikey D on December 7, 2010, 08:44 AM

We are left with two mysteries (beyond the virus), the helicopter in Atlanta and what the doctor told him.

If they follow the comics, the second one is really easy to figure out.  Granted the show is about 85% different from the events in the comics (no CDC or hillbillies with crossbows in the comics), but having read the comics, it seemed pretty obvious what the doctor told Rick. 

I'll write it real small so it's tough to read.  If you want to see it, just copy and paste in Word or something - Lori's pregnant. 


We still havent seen how he gets to the place he was in the first ep when he shoots the kid zombie though right?
So that still has to happen??

That happened between Rick raiding the police station and leaving Morgan and his kid and Rick finding the farmhouse with the horse.  He was in the police car at that time and running out of gas.  No need for any further explanation, it was just a scene to grab the viewers.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: speedermike on December 8, 2010, 11:36 AM
Mikey, I figured that out and I haven't read the comic...wait I did...but I was bored by it...but yeah, with all the bloodwork being done it was a no brainer.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BillCable on December 8, 2010, 12:06 PM
Seems to me they need to consolidate some vehicles...too many for what, 11 people now.

I was thinking that.  They're just wasting fuel.  Consolidate to two vehicles.

Overall it was pretty good.  Worth watching.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: jedipurge on December 10, 2010, 01:52 PM
i've been watching from Ep1, got my wife watching from Ep2 which is shocker cuz she doesn't like this kinda stuff.  Glad they kind of explained why sheriff got left behind and that it wasn't for some alternate reasoning like now i can bang his wife.

As far as military being overun to well you take Atlanta somebody said population of 5 million maybe half infected other half either dead-dead or alive and hiding/trying to escape.  that's still 2.5 million zombies that can potentially overrun your position.  So unless you're using hard core missles and gattling guns i think u better get out of Dodge. 

while picking up a .50 cal could potentially mow down some zombies u have to take in the noise factor as well.  if they're worried about a pistol going off imagine the swarms of something like that.  so that'd would have to be a last resort weapon or something to use when you're on the move.  So that'd probably also rule out the Vatos as they're stationary and aren't leaving anytime soon.

i could imagine world leaders on aircraft carries for sure, and I'm sure there'd be working governments but just the matter of being able to get word out to survivors.  Don't how many people have watched the History Channel show world without people or something like that.  But they sure make it sound like stuff would break down pretty quick without us constently maintaining them.  Power grids would falter pretty quick.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt_Fury on October 7, 2011, 12:16 AM
Season 2 Trailer. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=grWV8WZtAQc)


The Walking Dead returns next Sunday (16 October)!  AMC is also showing all of season 1 before the Season 2 premier for anyone who wants to either catch up or has not had the opportunity to see it.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: iFett on October 7, 2011, 08:51 AM
Coolness.  Never did catch this show, but I'll be on board.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Tracy on October 7, 2011, 10:33 AM
Wow!  I didn't realize it was returning so (realitively) soon.  Thank goodness for DVR - I can spread out Dexter, The Walking Dead, Homeland and House.  Just need to wait for The Killing and Mad Men to pick back up.  It will carry me over to summer and True Blood.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on October 7, 2011, 12:25 PM
I'm psyched. I've been watching progressively less TV the past few years so the few remaining shows I do keep up with are welcome returns.

Too bad they couldn't have timed the action figures to come out in advance of the new season. Pretty weak sauce, I have been jonesing for these hard all summer. Will they ever show up?
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Diddly on October 7, 2011, 12:43 PM
I'm glad I didn't snag the DVD when it came out, they just released a "super special edition" of some sort

I'll have to try to catch more than 3 episodes this season
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt_Fury on October 7, 2011, 12:51 PM
I'm glad I didn't snag the DVD when it came out, they just released a "super special edition" of some sort

I'll have to try to catch more than 3 episodes this season

Coolness.  Never did catch this show, but I'll be on board.



Season 2 Trailer. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=grWV8WZtAQc)


The Walking Dead returns next Sunday (16 October)!  AMC is also showing all of season 1 before the Season 2 premier for anyone who wants to either catch up or has not had the opportunity to see it.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: iFett on October 7, 2011, 01:02 PM
Ya I caught that part.  I wouldn't be "on board" without watching the first season   ;)
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Captain Piet on October 16, 2011, 01:22 PM
Was in the presentation last night at NYCC. Looking forward to rest of season 2, although uncertain since they gave Darabont the boot.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on October 16, 2011, 04:23 PM
Was in the presentation last night at NYCC. Looking forward to rest of season 2, although uncertain since they gave Darabont the boot.

Please tell me they at least had the figures for sale! Those things were supposed to be out by now...I really want to check those out.

Looking forward to the premier, hoping since it's the first episode back and they want to hook in some new viewers they will have a little more action and a little less yakkity-yak.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: iFett on October 16, 2011, 05:00 PM
DVR.  What a wonderful invention.   Hope to be caught up on everything before the next episode.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Captain Piet on October 16, 2011, 05:55 PM
Was in the presentation last night at NYCC. Looking forward to rest of season 2, although uncertain since they gave Darabont the boot.

Please tell me they at least had the figures for sale! Those things were supposed to be out by now...I really want to check those out.

Looking forward to the premier, hoping since it's the first episode back and they want to hook in some new viewers they will have a little more action and a little less yakkity-yak.

Answer is yes all around  ;)
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: efranks on October 16, 2011, 09:26 PM
Was in the presentation last night at NYCC. Looking forward to rest of season 2, although uncertain since they gave Darabont the boot.

Please tell me they at least had the figures for sale! Those things were supposed to be out by now...I really want to check those out.

Looking forward to the premier, hoping since it's the first episode back and they want to hook in some new viewers they will have a little more action and a little less yakkity-yak.

The figures have been found at TRU stores over the last couple of days.  I spotted some of them on Friday night.  The downside, they're like $20 each.  Complete over pricing going on there.

   E...
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Morgbug on October 16, 2011, 10:30 PM
Yup.  Didn't see that coming at the end. 
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Chris M on October 17, 2011, 09:35 AM
Awesome episode last night.  I felt like they did a really good job of developing the characters over what was done in Season 1.

I did not see that ending coming at all. It felt like a double cliff hanger ending.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt_Fury on October 17, 2011, 09:56 AM
I knew something was going to happen...but was a little shocked.  Who here thought the dead body in the truck Carl opened was going to start moving?
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on October 17, 2011, 10:29 AM
In retrospect, I think it would have been a little more shocking if they hadn't spoiled it showing Rick running through the field with his wounded son in a promo for the new season that was airing WHILE THE SHOW WAS STILL ON.  ::) I hate it when shows do stuff like that.

But yeah, that was a great season opener, everything I enjoy about that series on display. Good action, quality splatter, strong writing. The blond chick's suicide rant was perfection, really well done. And we finally got The Herd! Hell yes!

Couple of thoughts:

1) Seems the dude on the RV would have noticed the zombies before they got quite THAT close. I mean, they were RIGHT up on them. I have to assume they didn't pass them on the road so I guess they just walked out of the woods.

2) Why weren't any zombies attracted to the sound of the recorded church bells? If that thing was on a timer it must have been going off for weeks. (Why did the church still have power even?)

3) I kinda missed the point of that scene with the older dude and the black guy talking about the "needs of the few" and the "magic radiator hose" or whatever. What was that? What exactly was the older dude implying?

Guess it would have been too easy for Rick to reveal what the doctor told him in the first 5 minutes. But if it's what we all think, why hasn't he told his wife yet?  ???
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Morgbug on October 17, 2011, 10:49 AM

3) I kinda missed the point of that scene with the older dude and the black guy talking about the "needs of the few" and the "magic radiator hose" or whatever. What was that? What exactly was the older dude implying?

I was assuming he was talking about how the group would suggest leaving because the 12 year old girl must surely be dead (logical).  By suggesting the RV wasn't ready to go yet meant that they should at least look for her until the vehicle was ready to move again.  That's how I took it. 

Didn't even notice the commercial as I typically ignore them as best I can (changed to the even more horrifying Sunday night football debacle during the commercial breaks) but that was kind of dumb to run it at that point. 

Also got to agree that the guy on top of the RV would have had to have seen them coming sooner than 100 feet out. 
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jeff on October 17, 2011, 12:54 PM
1) Seems the dude on the RV would have noticed the zombies before they got quite THAT close. I mean, they were RIGHT up on them. I have to assume they didn't pass them on the road so I guess they just walked out of the woods.

Ditto.  Seemed strange to have a whole herd pop up like that since I thought the point of him going up there was to watch out...

2) Why weren't any zombies attracted to the sound of the recorded church bells? If that thing was on a timer it must have been going off for weeks. (Why did the church still have power even?)

Well, there were three dead inside... maybe ther rest got used to the sound after so long?

3) I kinda missed the point of that scene with the older dude and the black guy talking about the "needs of the few" and the "magic radiator hose" or whatever. What was that? What exactly was the older dude implying?

By suggesting the RV wasn't ready to go yet meant that they should at least look for her until the vehicle was ready to move again.  That's how I took it. 

I thought the same as Brent.  If they all knew the RV was ready to go, dale was afraid someone would have said "screw the little girl, let's go now" and cause more dissention in the group. 


My only other question... what the hell killed all the people in the cars?  Tent-guy definitely capped himself, but all the decaying bodies in the cars...  I didn't get that.  How/why did they all die like that?  They all looked like they were just "dead" dead and never seemed to be Walking Dead...
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Pete_Fett on October 17, 2011, 01:18 PM
My only other question... what the hell killed all the people in the cars?  Tent-guy definitely capped himself, but all the decaying bodies in the cars...  I didn't get that.  How/why did they all die like that?  They all looked like they were just "dead" dead and never seemed to be Walking Dead...

I was wondering the same thing. Have they ever answered the question of what happens to a walking dead if they don't feed for a long period of time?

Like the guy in the truck with the edged weapons, he was strapped into his seat belt. My thinking was that he became a "walking" dead but in that state couldn't figure out how to free himself from the seat belt and essentially "starved" to a second death.

It's the only explanation I could come up with, otherwise, those people in the cars should still be the "walking" type of dead and not the "dead" type of dead.

Even with the flaws (like the Church still having power for the electronic church bell) and then not seeing the herd sooner, I thought it was a great episode, and just like all of the episodes in the first season, as soon as the episode was over, I wanted to see another one immediately. Definitely a sign of great story telling.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Mikey D on October 17, 2011, 02:49 PM
That looked like a pretty major accident occurred (cars flipped over, etc.), I imagine some of the occupants died in the crash and if they didn't, they died from their injuries when no helped arrived.

And don't you need to be bit by a walker to become a zombie?  Dying from natural causes or an accident injury won't make you a walking dead.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt_Fury on October 18, 2011, 01:52 AM
And don't you need to be bit by a walker to become a zombie?  Dying from natural causes or an accident injury won't make you a walking dead.

In the comic it was established that all recently deceased would become walkers unless their brains were destroyed.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on October 18, 2011, 02:18 AM
So far the series hasn't established that though, that I can think of...  The weird thing about the accident theory though, is a lot of the people dead in their cars are simplly sitting in a car, dead.  No outward signs of trauma as it were, to neither the cars (in some cases) nor the people inside.

The random dead folks in the car does seem to be a bit of an enigma.

One theory I had though, considering this also appears to be not just an accident scene but a major traffic jam during a disaster/apocolyptic event, is that some of the occupants of the vehicles were killed by other motorists for what they had or wanted to take.  Again, doesn't really jive with how som eof the people seemed to just die behind the wheel like they fell asleep or something till the car ran out of gas. 

I find little things odd too but just chalk them up to mistakes like in movies and stuff.  **** happens, and all that.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Tracy on October 18, 2011, 08:27 AM
I haven't read any of the comics or spoilers - but I just assumed there was some sort of viral outbreak.  Just like any other virus people reacted differently based on their immune systems and various other factors - some simply died from it, some survived and some reanimated as walkers.  At least that's what I tell myself in order to suspend reality for an hour ;)
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BillCable on October 18, 2011, 08:55 AM
I never was under the impression that all dead reanimated in the show.  Only the bitten.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: iFett on October 18, 2011, 09:35 AM
So my dvr cheesed out and was wondering how many episodes I missed?  Started watching season 1 last night with the episode right before the dude sawed off his hand from the rooftop.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: name on October 18, 2011, 11:40 AM
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504784_162-20121514-10391705.html
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on October 18, 2011, 01:54 PM
That was weird.

I'm going on a haunted walk this weekend in Pittsburgh that gets national reviews and stuff.  This year they've added a "Zombie" theme to it since that's such a big thing here...  It's always fun, but this year I'm really hoping for something extra enjoyable. :)
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Morgbug on October 18, 2011, 03:33 PM
Zombie walk here this Saturday as well. 
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Master_Phruby on October 18, 2011, 04:29 PM
I hear before 2007 Pittsburgh was completely defendless against zombie attack. They now have drills every year on surviving a zombie attack. It seems Pittsburgh is ground zero for zombie attacks since it's citizens make the best zombies. I guess it's part of Pittsburghers' heritage. You grow up in Pittsburgh, you go to Primanti's, you love the Steelers, and you, at some point or another in your life, walk like a zombie.

Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on October 18, 2011, 06:17 PM
Not a Zombie walk Brent, but actually a haunted house thing...  They do big Zombie walks downtown now and then too (Record setting ones I guess). 

It is ground zero for it around here...  Good times though, but I've never attended the big walks they've done downtown or on the South Side.  I think Jedi_Master_Sal has been at them though.

Eating at Primanti's would make you walk like a fast zombie more than a regular one though.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: JediJman on October 18, 2011, 06:19 PM
Trying not to read anything in this thread since I don't get AMC.  Can anyone PM me if they know of a site where I can catch TWD Series 2 episodes?  I had to wait around for Netflix with S1 and don't want to do that again if I can help it...

THANKS!
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BillCable on October 18, 2011, 06:53 PM
Does the compression and artifacting on Walking Dead make it look like ABSOLUTE **** for you, too?  It is unwatchably bad with Verizon FiOS.  It was so bad last night that I could see the lines of a 6-block grid overlaying the other artifacts.  The commercials are crystal clear.  Every other HD channel is gorgeous.  But the programming on AMC is crushed to hell.  I actually stopped watching Breaking Bad this season because of the compression and decided to wait for it on Blu-ray.

Is it as bad with every provider, or is it just Verizon?  Or is it just Pittsburgh Verizon?  It's just ridiculously stupid they're doing this.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on October 18, 2011, 08:34 PM
I've got Comcast Bill,  and it looked great here.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Master_Phruby on October 18, 2011, 09:06 PM
Is it as bad with every provider, or is it just Verizon?  Or is it just Pittsburgh Verizon?  It's just ridiculously stupid they're doing this.

It could be your line coming into the house is bad. Mine went bad and it took them a month to finally figure out to replace the line because it was cracked. They say the line noise starts with a few channels then spreads. Finally, your internet fails and then your phone. TV is the most touchy with SNR. Check the box on the side of the house. The video light will be red if the video is failing.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on October 18, 2011, 09:22 PM
I've got Comcast Bill,  and it looked great here.

Ditto, no issues with the HD down here.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BillCable on October 19, 2011, 07:46 AM
Anybody else on FiOS having problems?  I doubt it's the line, since the commercials are crystal clear.  But who knows?
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BillCable on October 19, 2011, 07:52 AM
Doing some research, it is a known issue with Verizon.  That sucks because it's simply unwatchable.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Master_Phruby on October 19, 2011, 09:27 AM
It depends, sometimes the commericals are in a different resolution so it is easier to decode those.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt_Fury on October 19, 2011, 12:42 PM
DirecTv now has AMC in HD.  Let me know if you want to switch!
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: name on October 19, 2011, 01:54 PM
Well I finally started watching this...Caught eps 4 5 and 6 of season one since they are all that's on demand.  I guess I can find the other three online somewhere.  Will watch the season 2 stuff tonight, probably.  Good stuff...interesting storytelling.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: JediJman on October 19, 2011, 05:44 PM
Well I finally started watching this...Caught eps 4 5 and 6 of season one since they are all that's on demand.  I guess I can find the other three online somewhere.  Will watch the season 2 stuff tonight, probably.  Good stuff...interesting storytelling.

Let me know if you find a good place to catch Season 2 online.  I have not found a good source yet.   :-\
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: iFett on October 19, 2011, 06:03 PM
Glad to finally hear I only missed the first 2 episodes of season 1.  Hopefully they'll re-air soon and I'll be good to go.  6 episodes kinda short ?
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BillCable on October 19, 2011, 06:06 PM
It was like a pilot season, to see if it caught on.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: iFett on October 20, 2011, 11:19 AM
Thanks Bill.....Now that I've seen the first episode of season 2....I gotta know.

Do zombies poop?
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on October 20, 2011, 12:25 PM
I was thinking that as well on Sunday when they were cutting that one open.

Where does that all go?
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BillCable on October 20, 2011, 01:43 PM
Absorbed into the body.  100% efficient!!
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: IncomT65 on October 20, 2011, 02:20 PM
Zombies don't poop. In fact, they don't suffer from any of the inconveniences we mere mortals are bothered with.

Watched episode 1 of the new season last night. TWD airs on a channel I don't have in my bundle, but I have other ways of watching what I want to watch. Good to be back into this great series. I have zero knowledge of the TPBs/comics, which is probably a good thing, because I can just enjoy it for what it is: damn fine zombie gore on the small screen!
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on October 20, 2011, 05:46 PM
Absorbed into the body.  100% efficient!!

The woodchuck's head would've been absorbing a while...  Would've been hell to poop out too, zombie or not.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: P-Siddy on October 20, 2011, 08:10 PM
Do zombies poop?

There's a title for a kids book.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: name on October 20, 2011, 09:29 PM
Watched season 2 opener last night.  What a kick in the nads that was. 
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Master_Phruby on October 20, 2011, 10:49 PM
Do zombies poop?

There's a title for a kids book.

You guessed the title of SpeederMike's new book!
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Captain Piet on October 21, 2011, 06:26 AM
Just FYI, for fans of the show in the New York, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, etc., area, there is the New Jersey Undead Festival and Zombie Walk this weekend in Asbury Park, NJ. I believe they set the Guiness World record for zombies last year.

http://www.njzombiewalk.com/

I realize it's not Star Wars, however, we all know zombies can come out of any pop culture property. The zombie walk is tomorrow, Oct. 22, at 5 p.m. and there is something with exhibitors and vendors going on in Convention Hall all weekend.
The team from PhGeek.com will be there taking zombie pictures to put up on the site and handing out stickers. If you go, stop by and see us. This weekend is also Zombie Free Write on the website, so check out our celebration or, in my case, denigration, of zombie culture.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: P-Siddy on October 21, 2011, 09:17 AM
I realize it's not Star Wars, however, we all know zombies can come out of any pop culture property.

Wasn't there a book about zombie Stormtroopers or something? Definitely Geonosians.  ;)
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: GrandMoffNick on October 21, 2011, 09:32 AM
I realize it's not Star Wars, however, we all know zombies can come out of any pop culture property.

Wasn't there a book about zombie Stormtroopers or something? Definitely Geonosians.  ;)

There was and it wasn't good.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Master_Phruby on October 24, 2011, 09:34 AM
I've been slacking and really havn't watch the show. I watched the first two episodes back when they originally aired and haven't watched since. I watched last night show. It doesn't seem that much as changed. I guess both groups have gotten together and separated again. It was good to see the sheriff and his wife reunited. Some good drama there with the doctor and kid. It had a rather stupid typically horror scene of the blonde wandering off to meet a zombie. Good arrow shot. My question is why would they have a plan to get into the to fema supply room but not one for getting out? Couldn't they have thrown more flares to destract the zombies? It seemed stupid to run out and get trapped.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on October 24, 2011, 09:40 AM
Maybe it was all the cold medicine I am taking, but last night's episode seemed pretty dull. Not bad, just not quite as gripping as the opener. It's pretty much a foregone conclusion the kid is going to live so all the drama seems sort of like wasted energy, plot-wise.

I fear they are going to spend at least another 2-3 episodes on Carl, the lost girl, and the people at the farm, and really I just want them to wrap it all up and get back on the road to Ft Benning. I feel like the show is best when they keep moving and are discovering new things/people.

I like all the farm people, esp the fat guy who I will always remember as the weird dude from the X-Files who could make his eyeballs vibrate. I like that they all seem pretty cool and there are no heels/foils to worry about in that group. I can't help but wonder how they seem to remain relatively unscathed out there though? They didn't seem to have a lot of weapons, defenses, etc. Kind of odd.

Not getting a good feeling about the black dude's long term prospects on this show. The crazy people always seem marked for death.

Next week looks awesome, Shane blasting zombies at the high school.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Chris M on October 24, 2011, 09:48 AM
It's not just you, I thought last night's was pretty dull as well.  Had I known that was going to be the case, I wouldn't have stayed up to watch it and would have waited to watch today. 

Hopefully next week will introduce something crazy into the show, but I fear they will be camped out at the farmhouse for another episode or two before moving on.  So it stands to question what kind of zombie killing will everyone get into?  Obviously Shane and the fat guy have their work cut out.  But what about everyone else?
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Morgbug on October 24, 2011, 11:26 AM
It's pretty much a foregone conclusion the kid is going to live so all the drama seems sort of like wasted energy, plot-wise.


I wonder about that?  Got to thinking and what if they kill off both kids in the first couple of episodes?  Ouch, wouldn't that be a surprising twist to the plot? 

Episode last night was ok, but yeah, agree on the slow/dull bit. 
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jeff on October 24, 2011, 11:44 AM
My favorite easter egg in last night's show was in the pill bag - when Daryl showed the blue crystal meth as he was digging through the pill bottle, I had to wonder if it was Walt/Jesse's 'blue meth'?  :D

I'll be expecting an old Sterling-Cooper-Draper-Price ad showing up at some point too. :P
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Chris M on October 24, 2011, 01:36 PM
Being that it's been a while, what was the significance of the blue crystal meth bottle?
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jeff on October 24, 2011, 01:51 PM
The "Blue Meth" in that bottle was a nod to AMC's other hit show Breaking Bad.  ;)
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Chris M on October 24, 2011, 03:32 PM
Gotcha.  I never watched Breaking Bad so that obviously went right over my head.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: iFett on October 24, 2011, 03:48 PM
Ya I didn't quite catch what that was meant for last night, but that's pretty cool.  BB was a pretty decent show, but I fell off after season 1 so not sure what's going on there.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on October 25, 2011, 02:09 PM
I'll say it again.  I've never had a TV show put my stomach in knots like TWD does.  Wow.

I didn't find it dull at all...  Otis and Shane had me freaking a little while watching them go to the FEMA tent.  I like picking out the zombies too, that make sense for the scene, like the soldier and FEMA jacketed worker. 

A smarter idea would've been seeing if they could get a car, just out of vision of the zombies over a hill or something, and setting its alarm off and doing an end round on them to the FEMA tent.  The "Rick Flares" were a really bad idea.  I could've told those two that!  ::)  So's taking a chubby guy with you though, regardless what he knows.

Darryl's grown on me a lot.  He's no Merl.

I like the new people they've found, but that house is all kinds of NotLD bad for a zombie hide-out.  They're out of the way, but that can be bad too.

I keep trying to figure stuff out, like why zombies are in herds now, why they're clustered around the high school, piecing together things from last season that were said and putting them to this season.  Love this show.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: iFett on October 25, 2011, 02:55 PM
I keep trying to figure stuff out, like why zombies are in herds now, why they're clustered around the high school, piecing together things from last season that were said and putting them to this season.  Love this show.

Did you watch "the talking dead" after the show?  The producer dude said the herds and certain other things will be explained in time.  My poop question even came up but he didn't want to go there.   ;D
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Chris M on October 26, 2011, 09:51 AM
Does anybody watch the webisodes?

I think they have six or seven of a series up and I watched over the past couple of days and thought they were pretty good.  Obviously they don't stick with the main characters, but provided an interesting back story for one of the walkers we saw in the first episode.  It was somewhat gut wrenching, especially if you are a parent.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Tracy on October 26, 2011, 10:07 AM

Darryl's grown on me a lot.  He's no Merl.

Me too - he is definitely coming into his own now that he is away from his brother.  He is becoming one of my favortie characters.  It really wouldn't bother me much if the walkers did away with Shane - he bugs the piss out of me.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on October 26, 2011, 11:29 AM
AMC just renewed them for Season 3, gotta love the quick pick-up. Both episodes this season have been ratings gold apparently.

I agree, up with Darryl, down with Shane.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on October 26, 2011, 01:38 PM
See, from a Zombie survivalist POV, I'd want Darryl and Shane...  I could basically do away with anyone but the two cops and Darryl, haha.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt_Fury on October 31, 2011, 12:35 AM
After tonight's episode, you might want to rethink keeping Shane around, Jesse.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Chris M on October 31, 2011, 07:26 AM
I stayed up to watch last night.  Damn!!  I wonder how the Shane twist is going to work out.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on October 31, 2011, 09:16 AM
A decent effort, seemed like an episode more focused on laying thr groundwork for future plot development.

The Asian kid and redhead making goo goo eyes, more backstory on Darryl, Dale/Andrea tension, etc.

I guess the black dude is going to heal up and come back from crazytown?

Not much a surprise at the end there. You had to figure when they cut away there was going to be a "reveal" later on. Poor Otis. He really should have used that last bullet on Shane.

Not sure what to make of the Travis Bickle moment. His character treads the line between good and evil anyway, so hard to say if he is really going off the deep end at this point. (BTW ladies - you can close your drooling mouths now, yes dude has nice abs)

I had to watch the scene with him and the wife twice at the end to figure out what she said. At first I assumed it was just "Thanks" but the second time it sounded like she said "Stay". Yeah, great idea honey.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: P-Siddy on October 31, 2011, 11:01 AM
I had to watch the scene with him and the wife twice at the end to figure out what she said. At first I assumed it was just "Thanks" but the second time it sounded like she said "Stay". Yeah, great idea honey.

I have some bad hearing and sometimes when I can't catch something with all the background noise (kids, wife), I use the CC feature. It works wonders.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: iFett on November 8, 2011, 12:10 PM
So did Shane really need to shoot the fat dude?  They seemed to be making their way out of the school just fine - gimpy and everything, but still.

Well walker was nifty....and gory.  Looks like the dude with one hand will be on next week's episode (still haven't seen the first 2 episodes of season 1)  I know he's Darryl's brother, but ?

Also going to be difficult trying to hide from the dead with a screaming baby me thinks.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt_Fury on November 8, 2011, 12:56 PM
The walkers kept cutting them off from the truck.  Shane shot Otis so he would move even slower and the walkers would be distracted by the fresh meat.

I was a little surprised that Darryl didn't hang around the house a little more, looks like someone little was hiding out there.

I'm real curious to see how Mer;e's return is handled!
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Chris M on November 8, 2011, 02:46 PM
It seems to me as if Darryl is a bit more dedicated to the group than when he started.  I wonder if he's realized how bad a guy Merel (sp?) really was and how he'll handle it.  I wonder if he'll just take the opportunity to knock him off if the opportunity presents itself.

I wonder if Darryl is planning on going back to that house with a little backup possibly and then wait and see who shows up.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on November 8, 2011, 10:16 PM
Wow, it's been 24 hours now and I can barely even remember what happened in that episode. Glen got laid, check. Well walker - cool. Lots of hand wringing from Rick.

So how did that dude even end up in the well? Did he just fall in? No one is concerned they have zombies strolling around the property?

Still don't get how the house is supposed to be safe with no motion detectors, fortifications, even a lookout of any kind. And no guns?

Yeah, it seemed clear that Sophia was hiding in that house, wonder why he didn't even mention this to the mom later. Seemed to give up a little quick on that.

Return of Merle should be epic next week. Cannot wait.

Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on November 8, 2011, 10:44 PM
Or Merle's in that house...   :-X

Good episode setting up next week I thought.  Well guy was weird though, and I agree, I'd like to know why a random zombie was in there, and why'd nobody ever notice?

I find the lack of fortification at the farm a tad odd too.  I wonder how many people Herschel has sent out into the quagmire too, to have thsi rule already sort of firm and established.  He's lost Otis...  I'd think he'd maybe be a bit more open to some "good" people being around for simply protection since as the Vatos pointed out, the peopel you're going to meet won't be the good ones most likely.

Survivors are going to be Shane-types.  Do waht you have to, to live.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Tracy on November 13, 2011, 08:50 PM
Quick question before tonight's episode - uh - how long has Rick been back?
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt_Fury on November 13, 2011, 11:42 PM
Quick question before tonight's episode - uh - how long has Rick been back?

IN the timeline of the show, I'd say no more than a week or two.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Tracy on November 14, 2011, 08:12 AM
Quick question before tonight's episode - uh - how long has Rick been back?

IN the timeline of the show, I'd say no more than a week or two.
Oops - well then that is one doodle that can't be undid........
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Chris M on November 14, 2011, 09:45 AM
About last night...damn!!!!

I knew there was something up with that really odd family, but I didn't expect to see them keeping walkers as "pets."  I'm interested to see where that goes next week.  Sucks though, because the show will go on a break until February I believe to film episodes 7-12.  It's going to be a long winter. 

I also wonder if we are going to continue seeing Merel dreams (or Merel himself) and if Sophia was the person hiding out in the house.  Darryl really seemed to be motivated to get away from his brother even more so last night, judging by his reactions to the dream.  He's really started to come into his own and is now one of my favorite characters. 
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on November 14, 2011, 10:13 AM
Really good episode last night...the whole scene in the creek bad was freaking awesome from start to finish. Ripping the arrow out of your own abdomen, cocking the crossbow, and then firing that thing point blank right into the zombie's brain just before it eats you...does it get any better than that?

I was disappointed we got gypped with a "hallucination Merle" rather than the real thing but whatever. Writers love stupid mis-direction crap like that. I guess he was Darryl's "chupacabra du jour".

I like that Darryl is sort of wrestling internally with his own identity, kind of an opposing parallel to Shane. Darryl's a good guy who was probably told his whole life he was a bad guy and is struggling to emerge from that shadow. Shane is clearly heading in the opposite direction.

It's cool to see Andrea sort of morphing more into her comic book character, the sharpshooter of the bunch. Great line by Dale too..."we've all wanted to shoot Darryl".  :D

Cool twist with the barn, you know that isn't going to end well. P-whipped or not, I can't see Glyn agreeing to keep this a secret for long. I suspect the walkers in there are probably friends or kin of the old man, and he is keeping them around in the hopes that they can be "cured" at some point. Good luck with that. 

Sucks about the "fall hiatus" - that seems completely unnecessary. The show has been off the air for over a year already!

Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Sybeck1 on November 15, 2011, 08:28 AM
Man I really like this show, but the last two episodes could have been compressed into one. I've read ahead on Wikipedia, and the barn was part of the graphic novel plot.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on November 21, 2011, 09:25 AM
This show is so awesome and frustrating at the same time. It's the only show I NEVER want to end...I just wish the episodes went on for hours. It's SO engrossing, but the pace really plods sometimes, and there is really no sense of how much time is passing.

I mean, how long have they been at that farm now? I assumed it was only 2-3 days but it seems much longer now. Did they really think they were going to just stay there? I think Lori was the only one laboring under that misconception.

I officially HATE Lori too, her character just sucks. How the hell are you gonna feed Rick all that crap about keeping secrets? REALLY?!?! You have no shame, none. BTW, the make-up/CGI folks are going to have a really hard time making it seem believable she is pregnant...that woman looks like a total anorexic.

Is anyone even looking for Sophia anymore? They sure seem lackadaisacal about it. Even the freaking Mom seems content to just chill out around camp. I have to think they could come up with a better way to search than going house by house and room by room too. Try standing on top of your car and shouting her name. That way, when the zombies inevitably show up, you can just jump in your ride and take off.

I kind of like what they are doing with Glenn and Andrea's characters, shading them in with a little more depth. I also liked that they actually moved the plot forward pretty substantially last night. Not only did we finally get Lori revealing the pregnancy to Rick, but she even came clean about Shane. I was expecting them to draw that out much longer, so a welcome relief.

Is it even a question of whose baby it is? Again, the timelines are way confusing on this show but it would seem like it would HAVE to be Shane's right? But Rick doesn't even think to ask this?

Loved Dale calling out Shane too...his next conversation needs to be with Rick now.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: name on November 21, 2011, 09:54 AM
Speaking of timelines....what really bothered me last night was the neighborhood that they went to.

Corpses had been in the garage long enough to rot down to skeletons, but the grass was all mowed and trimmed.

Do zombies landscape?
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt_Fury on November 21, 2011, 12:19 PM
I thought those bodies had been burned...but yeah, the lawns were a little too pristine.

Does anyone know how long the histus is?  Sucks that next week is the last show for a while.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Chris M on November 21, 2011, 01:51 PM
I want to say I read something like February. 

I didn't pay any attention to the manicured lawns. I was just ready to see some zombie slaying last night and we got a bit so I was happy.  Hopefully next week we'll see a lot of it.  Overall though, good episode last night IMO.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Master_Phruby on November 26, 2011, 11:22 PM
I think I've pretty much given up on the show. I didn't know the title of show referred to the speed this show plot progresses at. I think this season acted like a zombie.  I mean we had complete episodes were people searched a house and found nothing. Too slow to stay interesting.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Tracy on November 27, 2011, 03:01 PM
I think I've pretty much given up on the show. I didn't know the title of show referred to the speed this show plot progresses at. I think this season acted like a zombie.  I mean we had complete episodes were people searched a house and found nothing. Too slow to stay interesting.

That is what makes the show so compelling - it is a character driven show - not action.  The tagline for all AMC series is "Story Matters Here".  I find that the hour passes very quickly and I am not ready for it to end yet.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Tracy on November 27, 2011, 10:05 PM
Someone should have put Shane down like the rabid dog he is turning in to. I kind of expected Darryl to shoot him.  Sucks about Sophia.  Suspecting it and seeing it are two different things.  At least February isn't too long of a wait.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Pete_Fett on November 27, 2011, 11:02 PM
It's so weird to see what they are and are not sticking true to the comic book on...
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Morgbug on November 28, 2011, 12:22 AM
It's so weird to see what they are and are not sticking true to the comic book on...

Like the Harry Potter Series I'm not spoiling this by reading anything prior to watching the show.  And like Potter, I suspect the written version may well be superior meaning for me, the best comes later. 

Still enjoying the show.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt_Fury on November 28, 2011, 03:02 AM
Wow.  I thought for sure they were going to find Sophia alive.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Chris M on November 28, 2011, 07:13 AM
I thought last night was pretty good.  I'm interested to see how Rick shooting Sophia is going to turn out.  I imagine her mom is going to be pretty pissed that he left her alone in the first place after she ran off.  I thought it was pretty sad the way she turned out and didn't think that was going to happen.

Shane went freakin' crazy and I'm stuck on if that was a good or a bad thing.  I'm wondering if Rick is about to flip and become a bit more aggressive when dealing with what he wants. 

  My wife swore to me she wasn't going to watch the show and she actually stays up with me and has watched the past couple of episodes before heading off to sleep.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on November 28, 2011, 09:55 AM
It's so weird to see what they are and are not sticking true to the comic book on...

I'm curious what you are thinking of specfically here?

I have read a lot of the comics, and most of my recollection centers around Michonne, the "Governor", Rick's hand, etc. (Oh yeah, AND SHANE GETTING KILLED!) They aren't going anywhere near that stuff it seems like. So they must be pulling inspiration from the ones I haven't read yet.

That ending last night was BRUTAL, and completely awesome. I wasn't sure where they would ultimately end up going with the Sophia arc, so it was somewhat of a shock. Really well done though, even before that point it was a pretty powerful scene. Poor Herschel looked like he was in shock.

Great point brought up on the Talking Dead later: (I hate shows that talk about other shows but this one is just too full of good information to pass up, plus they had Kirkman on last night)

Otis would have been the one who "corralled" Sophia and got her into the barn, and he never even found out she was missing befoe Shane offed him, so it would seem NOBODY knew she was in there. This is the implied backstory anyway, according to Kirkman.

The slow descent of Shane is compelling, but this is going to have a short shelf life. He can't just keep getting crazier and crazier, sooner or later he is going to get killed by his own people. Probably Lori, or maybe even the kid.

I think that final scene pretty much repudiates Shane's whole take on Rick not being tough enough to survive in a walker world. I expect we'll see a leaner, meaner Rick going forward.

Damn, I'm gonna miss this show!
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: name on November 28, 2011, 12:20 PM
It's so weird to see what they are and are not sticking true to the comic book on...

Like the Harry Potter Series I'm not spoiling this by reading anything prior to watching the show.  And like Potter, I suspect the written version may well be superior meaning for me, the best comes later. 

Still enjoying the show.

I started reading the comic a few days ago, but settled back to where you are on this.  Will let the series play out, then read.  That's how I experienced LOTR and loved it.  HP was the opposite, read first then watched movies.  I'm still on the fence about whether to read along or read after on the Game of Thrones series...so far, it's all just been HBO, but I'm really eager to read. 

On that note...thanks for the spoiler warning about the comics, McMetal.  Very nice.   ::)
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Tracy on November 28, 2011, 12:34 PM
Yes - I would appreciate spoiler warnings.  I don't want to have any inkling of what might or might not happen according to the comics.  Not cool.  Maybe someone could start a Walking Dead Comic/Spoiler Thread. 
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Pete_Fett on November 28, 2011, 01:22 PM
It's so weird to see what they are and are not sticking true to the comic book on...

I'm curious what you are thinking of specfically here?

Specifically Sophia (and less specifically Shane).

In the comics Shane never made it to Hershel's farm and Sophia is still alive at this point in the comics.

That's all, I didn't want to be specific and was intentionally vague because I didn't want to spoil the end of the Sophia story-line in case folks hadn't seen the episode last night yet...
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Tracy on November 28, 2011, 02:27 PM
A basic Walker question/behavior has bothered me since the beginning.  As vicious as the Walkers are and as ferocious as their appetites - how does one survive an attack to become one?  It seems like everyone gets eaten unless someone intervenes with a weapon.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: name on November 28, 2011, 03:41 PM
A basic Walker question/behavior has bothered me since the beginning.  As vicious as the Walkers are and as ferocious as their appetites - how does one survive an attack to become one?  It seems like everyone gets eaten unless someone intervenes with a weapon.

Watch the webisodes on the "half woman" from episode one.  You'll see that some sometimes, you can get severely eaten, but still have enough remaining to be a walker (or a crawler...or a scooter...)  I guess as long as the brain is left intact, you're coming back.  Most would, I assume, have become walker by being bitten and then escaping before being too badly dismembered.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Tracy on November 28, 2011, 04:29 PM
I guess.  I just wonder how Sophia would have escaped with just a bite or two.......
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Sybeck1 on November 28, 2011, 06:04 PM
Maybe Sophia was bitten by a crawler or something and was able to run away before she changed to full zombie. Hopefully this won't mean an Otis won't so up full body later with his bullet holes showing.


Hate to be Carl. All that is left is old ladies.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on November 28, 2011, 07:28 PM
Well, much like True Blood, the source material and show really vary pretty significantly, so I wouldn't really qualify any discussion of the comic storylines as spoilers. Shane gets killed very early on in the comic, so they have long since left that in the dust. If you're still keen on reading the comics that's cool, but those things have been around for years so it's hard to spoil something that stale to begin with. But ya, will try to be more careful in the future, sorry.

Kirkman basically said he is letting the storyline develop organically, and has not committed to any particular continuity from the comic, so I think we'll continue to see some significant divergence between the two.

SO why was Rick surprised to learn Lori was pregnant if the doctor told him back at the CDC?  ;)
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Pete_Fett on November 29, 2011, 08:28 AM
Maybe Sophia was bitten by a crawler or something and was able to run away before she changed to full zombie. Hopefully this won't mean an Otis won't so up full body later with his bullet holes showing.

I would say watch the Webisodes on the AMC website and you'll have no worries about Otis showing up with a bullet hole in his leg.

Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on November 29, 2011, 09:42 PM
I think a lot of people get away with a bite or two...  I agree with that theory.

Also, seems like a zombification is possible simply from dying too...  Darryl mentioned about the one who hung himself becoming a zombie because he didn't shoot himself in the head.

I've got tons of zombie questions that there's just no solid information for at this point...  can they starve (one can guess they can, otherwise why give them chickens?), or are they just going to wander hungry forever?

Talking Dead is great afterwards...  reminds me of a geeky english class or something where you discuss whatever BS read you were assigned. :)  It's a fun little extra.

The series just gets better and better...

I'm going to interject here real quick that all spoilers, including the comics, should be left out...  The comics aren't being followed strictly, but they are being followed and injected heavily into the show, so I think it's fair to consider the comics and other material as spoiler potential in the discussion.  It doesn't necessarilly mean they will come to fruition but it is possible.  I've never read them so I really don't want to know anything about them.

One thing I'm curious to see in the future...

The Vatos mentioned it briefly, but the other suvivors are "the worst kind".  Shane in bulk.  I'm very curious to see future "groups" that are making it through the new world.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: efranks on November 30, 2011, 02:29 AM
The guy that hung himself in the woods left a note, something that rhymed about being bit, feeling sick, world had gone to **** and killing himself.  But the guy didn't know that hanging wouldn't do him in and that he should have shot himself instead, which is what Darryl commented on.

So I don't know if just dying without being bit could lead to you coming back.  But, someone had to be sick first and turn into a zombie so that's one of the nagging questions I have.  How did it start?  It had to be like an infection that people died of and then came back and they spread it by biting people.  Because if it was one person running around biting people then it should have been easy to start killing off the original zombies.  But a flu-like disease, harder to deal with.

That's the type of thing that I wish the show would get to at some point.  It doesn't seem like anyone cares about that.

   E...
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jeff on November 30, 2011, 10:15 AM
That's the type of thing that I wish the show would get to at some point.  It doesn't seem like anyone cares about that.

They have been pretty upfront that the primary focus of the show would be surviving.  More realistic to think that a small group would be more concerned with just staying alive rather than having two cops, a wife, and a couple others trying to solve what apparently the CDC couldn't.

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I agree with the theory that everyone is screwed even without the bites.  I agree with those guessing that is what the CDC guy said - something like "everyone is already infected".  Doesn't matter if you get bit or what, the dead will rise. 

Maybe a bite induces active "zombie virus" (for lack of a better term) and that kills you, which allows the latent "virus" (or contagion or whatever) that is already in you to turn you into a zombie yourself.  Without the bite, the "zombie contagion" lays dormant until you die and then some chemical decomposition in dying activates the zombie parasite (probably in the brain) to take over your body.  A zombie bite just accelerates the process.

Like E said, those origin cases had to start somewhere and a contagion type spread makes more sense than 1-2 original zombies biting all sorts of people...

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I'm very curious to see future "groups" that are making it through the new world.

Oh man, assuming we stay close to the comic, you'll get your chance to see some of the "finest" examples out there - guys who make Shane look pretty good by comparison.  :-X
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Sybeck1 on November 30, 2011, 10:27 AM
And on that note - SPOILER SPECULATION...

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Let me borrow your formating. I havn't read the comic but have read Wikipedia. Seems any death causes zombie state. Maybe the bite just kills you, and dying cause you to be a walker. At this point to the text Shane is dead, and Rick goes back to dig him up to find out he is a zombie.




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Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Tracy on November 30, 2011, 10:52 AM
In terms of the other survivor groups that are out there:  I was just thinking about that the other day and wondering when they were going to start coming across other groups.  I was thinking about The Stand and about all the ******** that would be out and about in the world running their own little groups........
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: CHEWIE on November 30, 2011, 05:15 PM
Another group (or more) of survivors should be encountered at some point if it follows the comics (don't think that really spoils anything).

As for the series itself, I'm totally engulfed in it.  It's even more thrilling for me than 24 ever was... I love the character driven aspects of this show - even the slow parts are outstanding to me.  Who would have thought that a zombie show could be so damn appealing, even to people who don't like zombie stuff?  I know many ladies and also older folks who are drawn into this series too.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on November 30, 2011, 09:22 PM
My mother is hooked on this show so we have discussions...  We were discussing groups in particular that survive, and I was giving her examples of "********" in other similar stories...

Bikers in Dawn of the Dead.

Soldiers in 28 Days Later...  That type of stuff.

People well armed, "strong" in numbers, who are mobile, and when societal breakdowns occur, they become free-thinking/independant, and have nobody to answer to any longer, so they become the ******** of the world...  Gangs would be included in that ultimately, even though the Vatos would be doing a good thing.  They still clearly were willing to harm/hurt people they didn't know to keep doing what they wanted.

Much like Shane, they'd have a duality to them...  Shane, as bad as he is, was still doing what he felt was right...  He didn't know Otis, and Otis caused Rick's son's injuries, so he figured "F it" and used him to advance himself and who he cares about...  Much like his little fit at the barn harmed Hershel, but why would Shane care ya know?  Till of course teh zombie that comes out is someone you know, and you care about...

I'm hopeful Webisodes maybe cover some of the more detailed things the Deadophiles want to know like how it started and stuff...  I liked the webisode about the half-lady in the park, and I'd love one that focused on Sophia's bite/explanation, and one about the breakdown of society and how it all began and escalated on a national and global scale...

It makes one wonder too, are there isolated places where this isn't affecting anyone?  Like could Hawaii be spared because they lock it down or something when they see it out of control or something?  Be cool if there were these island havens.

I just love this show...  I can't bring myself to read the comics because the show keeps me so tense, I would hate "knowing" the possible future of it at this point.

And don't tease me about these horrible groups of survivors.  I really have already imagined a lot, and that just makes me even more giddy for future episodes! :)  I love this show.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Morgbug on November 30, 2011, 09:25 PM
  Like could Hawaii be spared because they lock it down or something when they see it out of control or something? 

I will research this for you in the coming weeks.   ;)
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on November 30, 2011, 09:53 PM
I expect details...  Hot Zombies in bikinis and stuff.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Morgbug on December 1, 2011, 12:05 AM
All of a sudden I feel Shaggy.  :-X
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Master_Phruby on December 1, 2011, 09:24 AM
I expect details...  Hot Zombies in bikinis and stuff.

Like this:
(http://blogs.phoenixnewtimes.com/jackalope/zombie-bikini-contest-in-downtown-mesa.6908802.87feat.jpg)
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on December 1, 2011, 12:21 PM
So Hawaii isn't a safe haven, but if you're a zombie, there's at least some hotties for you?  Interesting.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: efranks on December 1, 2011, 12:25 PM
That's the type of thing that I wish the show would get to at some point.  It doesn't seem like anyone cares about that.

They have been pretty upfront that the primary focus of the show would be surviving.  More realistic to think that a small group would be more concerned with just staying alive rather than having two cops, a wife, and a couple others trying to solve what apparently the CDC couldn't.

I'm not looking for Rick and the crew to save the world, but unless I'm forgetting something, Rick just seemed to accept that when he woke up from being shot the world had gone to **** and dead people were walking around.

Me, I'd be asking why I'm shooting a crawling, half woman in the head in a park.  Rick, eh, business as usual in the new world.

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Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: GrandMoffNick on January 5, 2012, 08:12 AM
Finally got to watch the first 4 episodes of season one this week. Highly enjoying it. Now to finish the first season and wait for season 2 to be on sale for $10 at Target some day.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: JediJman on January 5, 2012, 08:55 AM
Finally got to watch the first 4 episodes of season one this week. Highly enjoying it. Now to finish the first season and wait for season 2 to be on sale for $10 at Target some day.

Did you get Season 1 for $10?  I netflixed it months ago, but would buy it if its that cheap...
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: GrandMoffNick on January 5, 2012, 08:58 AM
Finally got to watch the first 4 episodes of season one this week. Highly enjoying it. Now to finish the first season and wait for season 2 to be on sale for $10 at Target some day.

Did you get Season 1 for $10?  I netflixed it months ago, but would buy it if its that cheap...

Last week it was $10 at Target, but now it's back up to regular price $26.99. Sorry I should have posted that on JD.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: JediJman on January 5, 2012, 09:01 AM
Finally got to watch the first 4 episodes of season one this week. Highly enjoying it. Now to finish the first season and wait for season 2 to be on sale for $10 at Target some day.

Did you get Season 1 for $10?  I netflixed it months ago, but would buy it if its that cheap...

Last week it was $10 at Target, but now it's back up to regular price $26.99. Sorry I should have posted that on JD.

Drat.  Oh well, not a big loss since I've already seen it.  I'm sure it will get down to that again at some point.   ;)
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: iFett on January 5, 2012, 11:16 AM
Half caught the Walking Dead marathon on New Years Eve.  Still haven't seen the first episode and 1/2 but getting closer.  This series holds up surprisingly well with multiple viewings.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Master_Phruby on January 5, 2012, 01:46 PM
Thats because the plot moves at a zombie's pace so you can see all the gory details.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: name on January 6, 2012, 12:06 PM
How strange that this comes up now...I had missed the first three episodes of season 1 and caught up on them yesterday via Netflix.  Loved them....and now I understand more of Merle's story.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: GrandMoffNick on January 6, 2012, 12:23 PM
Finished season one yesterday. Loved it. Now it sucks I have no way of watching season 2. What to do? What to do? I did squash the urge to purchase any of the toys though. So that's good.

Though the urge to stop at Half Price Books and see if they have any of the graphic novels is still there.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: efranks on January 6, 2012, 01:23 PM
AMC has been pretty good about running marathons of The Walking Dead.  You might be able to catch one sometime right before season 2 continues on February 12th.  Might even have one that day, there are only 7 episodes they have to catch up on.

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Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: JediJman on January 6, 2012, 01:25 PM
Finished season one yesterday. Loved it. Now it sucks I have no way of watching season 2. What to do? What to do? I did squash the urge to purchase any of the toys though. So that's good.

Though the urge to stop at Half Price Books and see if they have any of the graphic novels is still there.

You can find some of them on the cheap at places like Barnes and Noble.  I snagged about 2/3 of the graphic novels there, marked down to about $6-7 each.  I caught up on the whole series this way, but have switched over to individual issues as I cannot wait 6-7 months between stories. 

I'm in the same boat on S2 since we don't get the AMC Channel - wish there was some way to watch the episodes online.  Come on AMC.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: GrandMoffNick on January 6, 2012, 01:33 PM
My crappy cable provider doesn't have AMC or I'd have been watching it from day one.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Chris M on January 6, 2012, 03:14 PM
I've thought hard about picking up the graphic novels.  But I'm too engrossed in the show and don't want any spoilers at all.  I understand that the show has deviated from the novels, but there have been indications (saw this on the last Talking Dead) that some more of the novels are going to be put into the show plot.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt_Fury on January 7, 2012, 12:30 AM
Finished season one yesterday. Loved it. Now it sucks I have no way of watching season 2. What to do? What to do? I did squash the urge to purchase any of the toys though. So that's good.

Though the urge to stop at Half Price Books and see if they have any of the graphic novels is still there.

You can find some of them on the cheap at places like Barnes and Noble.  I snagged about 2/3 of the graphic novels there, marked down to about $6-7 each.  I caught up on the whole series this way, but have switched over to individual issues as I cannot wait 6-7 months between stories. 

I'm in the same boat on S2 since we don't get the AMC Channel - wish there was some way to watch the episodes online.  Come on AMC.

One of the airmen in my squadron watches the episodes online, but I'm not sure what site it is.  I'll ask him and get back to you.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: GrandMoffNick on January 12, 2012, 07:26 PM
Realized that I can get the first four episodes of season 2 on the "On Demand" part of my cable without paying for the subscription. I'm recording them as we speak. EXCELLENT!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Diddly on January 12, 2012, 08:24 PM
SIAP, but a guy on another site I frequent posted this about what was SUPPOSED to be the Season 2 opener:

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From some website:

The opener allegedly flashbacks to the early days of the zombie apocalypse. The entire episode would have tracked a squad of Army Rangers dropping into Atlanta. They get trapped in a zombie outbreak. “All they have to do is travel maybe a dozen blocks, a simple journey, but what starts as a no-brainer scenario goes from ‘the city is being secured’ to ‘holy sh*t, we’ve lost control, the world is ending,’” Darabont describes in a letter to AICN. So, yeah — Black Hawk Down with zombies.

Along the way, the soldiers encounter some familiar faces from the show. “Picture our squad arriving at a manned barricade where some civilians are being held back from leaving the city on shoot-to-kill orders to stop the spread of contagion, it’s a panicked high-intensity scene, and in this crowd of desperate people we find Andrea and Amy. The barricade gunners panic, the civilians start to get mowed down by machine-gun fire, and in this melee the girls get pulled to safety by some old guy they don’t even know. It’s Dale. He’s nobody to them, just some guy who saw the opportunity to do the right thing and reacted in the moment.”

The end of the episode concludes with the last surviving member of the squad, now infected and dying, hiding in a tank. A very familiar tank …
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt_Fury on January 13, 2012, 12:31 AM
I'm kinda glad they didn't do that.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on January 13, 2012, 09:22 AM
I think that sounds really cool actually, a good tool for introducing more backstory. Especially good for those of us who still want them to explain how everything got started. (I disagree that this is irrelevant to the story)

I didn't read the source for this, but it seems likely we will still see this episode at some point. Maybe it was already even shot and they are just working on re-ordering the episodes.

Like the Fringe Fall finale was originally supposed to be the kick-butt action packed episode airing tonight, but it got pushed back due to the World Series, so they went with something much less compelling.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Chris M on January 19, 2012, 07:02 AM
Season 3 (http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/walking-dead-season-3-episodes-expands-281909) to have 16 episodes.  I think I can get on board with this.  I know beggars can't be choosers, but I hate short seasons that so many networks seem to be doing.  I understand it's usually a financial issue, but I love me some zombie slayin'.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: GrandMoffNick on January 31, 2012, 08:30 AM
Caught up!!!!!!! Saw the Sofia thing coming, but still really liked the way it ended. Now I just need my father in law to DVR the episodes starting on the 12th and I should be good to go.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on January 31, 2012, 09:08 AM
This wait has been too long, it's pointless and irritating.

Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Qui-Gon Jim on January 31, 2012, 01:17 PM
I am watching for a S2 marathon, so if anyone catches wind of it, a head's up here would be super-appreciated!
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BillCable on January 31, 2012, 02:27 PM
I'm waiting on the Blu-rays.  I couldn't tolerate AMC's horrific HD broadcast on Verizon FiOS.

Was the second season worth watching?  I haven't followed it at after the first or second episode (deer hunting accident).  I heard complaints it was dull/nothing happened.  And I've been avoiding this thread for fear of spoilers. 

So - spoiler free - is it worth me investing a handful of Netflix rentals?
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Chris M on January 31, 2012, 02:45 PM
Bill, I've felt the story has been a bit slow, but little bits and pieces of interesting stuff seems to get thrown in each episode.  The mid-season finale  ::) was really good and was somewhat of a cliffhanger to the second half.  The second half is really supposed to push the story along IIRC.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt_Fury on January 31, 2012, 07:34 PM
I am watching for a S2 marathon, so if anyone catches wind of it, a head's up here would be super-appreciated!

The show returns February 12th.  I would expect a marathon all day.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on January 31, 2012, 10:59 PM
Bill, IMO it's the best thing on TV and the only show I never miss.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: GrandMoffNick on February 1, 2012, 10:42 AM
I agree this season has been "slower" than the first, but that doesn't make it any less fun to watch.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: JediJman on February 1, 2012, 11:18 AM
Sounds pretty similar to the comics.  I haven't seen Season 2 yet, but I have read all of the Walking Dead comics to date.  Kirkman slows the story down a bit to help build character.  Then when you least expect it, everything goes to hell and people start dying.  It isn't the constant thrill rush of most zombie movies, but I think it gets you more vested in the people.  And when the action turns back on it's more of a surprise and more exciting because you've let your guard down a little.  The storytelling approach reminds me a lot of LOST, without the flashbacks.  You get a lot of day-to-day "here's how we're surviving" for a while, then some crazy turn leaves your jaw hanging open.

By the way, there is a big letters column at the end of the comics, where people write in about both the show and the comic now.  I've tried to skip any TV spoilers, but this last issue had a lot of discussion about differences in the storyline.  Kirkman is very much treating these as two entirely different universes.  The characters are generally the same, but they may act very different in one story versus another.  Big plot points like the CDC or certain people dying/not dying are very different between the two stories.  I'm looking at you, Shane.  Anyway, for anyone afraid of reading the comics/GN's because of plot spoilers, have no fear.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Qui-Gon Jim on February 1, 2012, 03:24 PM
I am watching for a S2 marathon, so if anyone catches wind of it, a head's up here would be super-appreciated!

The show returns February 12th.  I would expect a marathon all day.
I searched my cable company's guide, including their iPad app, to no avail.  The AMC website shows a marathon immediately preceding the new episodes on 2/12  The mini-marathon starts at 1:30PM.  Season one airs the night before for those wishing to catch up on all 13 episodes.  Thanks for the advice, Matt!
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Tracy on February 3, 2012, 04:39 PM
Just got a notification on FB from AMC/Walking Dead - Season 1 Marathon on 2/11 - and Season 2 Marathon on 2/12.  Happy watching!
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: CHEWIE on February 3, 2012, 07:20 PM
Bill, IMO it's the best thing on TV and the only show I never miss.

Amen!
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on February 12, 2012, 10:03 AM
It's back tonight! Team Shane versus Team Rick? Who will you follow?!?!
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: iFett on February 12, 2012, 11:07 AM
I finally caught the first episode of season 1 this morning so i'm good.  bring it on!
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Diddly on February 12, 2012, 02:54 PM
Finally remembered to record the marathon AND the new episode tonight! :D
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Chris M on February 12, 2012, 04:17 PM
It's back tonight! Team Shane versus Team Rick? Who will you follow?!?!

Funny that you put it this way.

I think Rick is going to be pulled Shane's direction, pretty drastically.  But at the same time, I think Shane is going to mellow a bit and become a bit more compassionate...maybe not much, but some.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Morgbug on February 12, 2012, 10:17 PM
Enjoyed the episode.  As long as the writers don't do a Greedo shot first thing down the road. 
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on February 12, 2012, 11:03 PM
Good episode, felt sort of like mop-up duty until the last 10 minutes. Then BANG, Rick makes me man-crush on him again...brutal, awesome.

Everything about Lori just makes me shake my head now. It's like all the other writers work on the other characters and make them great and the one stupid, lazy, sloppy writer that always shows up late to work gets stuck writing Lori's character, and it shows.

WHAT THE HELL was she even thinking? Rick and Glenn already went to get Hershel, and they knew the chick was sick, so what exactly was the burning new information that was so urgent to pass along? To tell them to hurry up? Was that really necessary? And she doesn't even think to take the dude from the farm with her? That seems like a lot of stupid risk for pretty much no point whatsoever.

Next week looks tense!
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Hemish on February 13, 2012, 03:22 AM
What a great ep, plenty of tension and I certainly didnt expect that to happen at the end
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Chris M on February 13, 2012, 09:01 AM
Great episode last night.  I was waiting for Rick's pair to drop and I certainly think they did.  I was thinking he'd swing in Shane's direction, while at the same time, I think we also saw Shane come back towards Rick a little bit.

One person that drives me crazy is freakin' Dale.  That dude is like a middle school girl who wants to start drama.  It's like being at work when I'm watching him on TV.  I grant that he's a voice of reason, but seriously dude....
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: iFett on February 13, 2012, 10:11 AM
Great show!  Nice to see some new twists that they'll be having to deal with if/when they leave the farm.  Ya Lori's car ride decision was a bit...dumb.  Skinny as a twig she is.  Actress used to look kinda hot on Prison Break. 

Talking dead was great as well after the show.  Dave Navarro kept egging on the director dude to put in more zombies in each episode.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Tracy on February 13, 2012, 12:35 PM
I agree with Laurie's dumb**** move to go after Rick - it made no sense.  And did it even occur to anyone to check Herchel's daughter for scratches?  My first thought when they were at the barn and they pulled her mom off of her was "Check the bitch for scratches!"

I have always been team Rick.  As a woman - he is definitely the type of man I would want looking out for me and my children.  Laurie needs to be more decisive is supporting Rick and distancing herself from Shane.  I always felt like Rick had a set, unlike Shane who keeps them out and swings them around all of the time and tries to make everyone sniff them, Rick knows when to tuck them in his drawers and when to whip them out.  Rick was more of a man for putting Sophia down than Shane could ever hope to be.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Chris M on February 13, 2012, 01:33 PM
Rick was more of a man for putting Sophia down than Shane could ever hope to be.

I think this is key.  For the sake of the group, and Rick as their "leader," it was probably best that he was the one to pull the trigger on Sophia.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Sybeck1 on February 13, 2012, 03:32 PM
Trying to remember if the bar thugs were killed by head shots. If not could they come back as walkers? I am sort of the belief that the walker stratch or bite might kill you, it is death that turns one into a walker, which I think was the way it was in the graphic novel.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Diddly on February 13, 2012, 08:16 PM
The fatter one was shot three times I believe, twice in the chest and Rick did a finishing shot to the head. I only remember him shooting skinny dude once.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt_Fury on February 13, 2012, 08:33 PM
I think it's been established that only a bite from a zombie will make you turn into a zombie...as opposed to being scratched.

I do know the comicestablished that all recently dead with intact brains will become zombies.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on February 13, 2012, 11:24 PM
Great episode...  Great series...  I swear, this show keeps your heart pounding.

Loved the tension in the bar with the Phillyphucknuts.

Don't think I want anyone that fat in my group though unless we're keeping him along as bait at some point.  It's like driving a Humvee around...  It costs too much to fuel it, so leave it behind and find something more economical.  And he's got sex on his mind?  Seriously this guy wasn't getting laid before the zombie apocalypse, now that it's here he thinks he's Don Juan?  Huh?

Thank you Tracy, for the testical swinging comment.  Kind of disturbing but gave me a laugh and I'll never see Shane in one of his tantrums quite the same again.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt_Fury on February 14, 2012, 12:16 AM
Don't think I want anyone that fat in my group though unless we're keeping him along as bait at some point.

That's the only reason to keep a fat guy in your survivor group....or a low caliber pistol (so you can shoot someone in the leg to ensure you are faster than they are).
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: JediJman on February 14, 2012, 08:36 AM
And he's got sex on his mind?  Seriously this guy wasn't getting laid before the zombie apocalypse, now that it's here he thinks he's Don Juan?  Huh?

Maybe he thinks his odds are a little better than before.  After all, there isn't a lot of competition left...  ;)
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: efranks on February 14, 2012, 10:10 AM
My only bitch about Sunday's episode was Lori.  It was the Kim Bauer vs the Mountain Lion moment of the series.  Completely unnecessary.  She's one of my least favorite characters on the show on a normal day but when she makes a dumb**** move like that?  I can't even be concerned for her.

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Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Tracy on February 14, 2012, 01:03 PM
My only bitch about Sunday's episode was Lori.  It was the Kim Bauer vs the Mountain Lion moment of the series.  Completely unnecessary.  She's one of my least favorite characters on the show on a normal day but when she makes a dumb**** move like that?  I can't even be concerned for her.

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I agree with you there.  The only concern/interest I have in Lori is what position/risks will she put Rick (and therefore Carl and the rest of the group in).  The main reason Rick went in to town was because he knew he was going to need Herschel to delivery Lori's baby.  Speaking of that - why hasn't Rick gotten pissed at Shane about being with his wife?  Is he trying to keep the peace or just keeping it in his back pocket for now?
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: efranks on February 14, 2012, 01:31 PM
I thought Rick said something about Lori and Shane and kind of burried it.  Like, he understood because they thought he was dead after being left in the hospital.  Didn't he even thank Shane for taking care of Lori and Carl?

I have a feeling that's something that's going to pop back up in the future, though.  Like, just when the gang doesn't need any more drama, Shane will turn into a jealous bitch and screw someone over.

   E...
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Tracy on February 14, 2012, 03:55 PM
I do remember him having the conversation w/Lori about it - and how he understood.  I don't recall Rick talking to Shane about him being cool with it - Shane is still too hot-headed and hot-to-trot for Lori - and the baby.  I certainly don't think Shane is cool with any of it. I do recall Rick thanking Shane for taking care of his family - but I thought that came well before the confession of the affair - but I certainly could be wrong.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Tracy on February 14, 2012, 03:59 PM
And he's got sex on his mind?  Seriously this guy wasn't getting laid before the zombie apocalypse, now that it's here he thinks he's Don Juan?  Huh?

Maybe he thinks his odds are a little better than before.  After all, there isn't a lot of competition left...  ;)
I kinda got the impression he wasn't gonna rely on his winning personality......
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on February 14, 2012, 06:00 PM
Yeah but the guy talked like it was just so easy before the whole zombie thing too...  I mean, seriously?  If he's boinking a donut I'd believe that, but he was talking like the biggest inconvenience he's had since the whole thing started was that he isn't getting any action.  The Sopranoes is fictional, and someone needed to let that guy in on that.

Totally agree with you Eric, on Lori being one of my less than favs in the group.

Is it wrong of me that I was more worried about the waste of gas and functional vehicle (and a pistol) than I was about her and her lovechild?

I mean, she even had a map...  Why didn't she just dump a walker in the good water well before she left too and make sure she pisses away yet another precious resource.  Shoot anyone who's a good shot in the eye too, make sure you keep the group on its toes and all.  ::) 

Darryl's right.  I wouldn't help these morons either.  Hell, I might collect some of their ears.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: efranks on February 14, 2012, 11:52 PM
I'm surprised Darryl's still with them.  That cat would do so much better on his own.  I definitely think that he's a better person with them than he was with his brother, but he's still much more of a loner than any of the rest.

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Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: iFett on February 15, 2012, 09:40 AM
I saw the necklace of ears for next week's preview so perhaps he'll go off the deep end again?  I'd still like to know if/when we'll ever see his brother - and possibly the guy who got bit who they left at that tree with a gun?  I always thought we'd see him again at some point for some reason. 

Also had to re-watch the bar scene last night because I couldn't initially understand what the fat guy was saying.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Tracy on February 15, 2012, 12:21 PM
I saw the necklace of ears for next week's preview so perhaps he'll go off the deep end again?  I'd still like to know if/when we'll ever see his brother - and possibly the guy who got bit who they left at that tree with a gun?  I always thought we'd see him again at some point for some reason. 

Also had to re-watch the bar scene last night because I couldn't initially understand what the fat guy was saying.

The guy who got bit that they left by tree was Jim.  He declined to take Rick's gun.  He said that the group needed it more that he did and it would be a waste of a weapon.  I know it was his choice - but it seems like the most humane thing would to have been to put him out of his misery before he changed over.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: iFett on February 15, 2012, 12:32 PM
Opps..  Viva la Jim   :-[
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: JediJman on February 16, 2012, 11:05 AM
I saw the necklace of ears for next week's preview so perhaps he'll go off the deep end again?  I'd still like to know if/when we'll ever see his brother - and possibly the guy who got bit who they left at that tree with a gun?  I always thought we'd see him again at some point for some reason. 

Also had to re-watch the bar scene last night because I couldn't initially understand what the fat guy was saying.

The guy who got bit that they left by tree was Jim.  He declined to take Rick's gun.  He said that the group needed it more that he did and it would be a waste of a weapon.  I know it was his choice - but it seems like the most humane thing would to have been to put him out of his misery before he changed over.

This part of the TV show is actually in line with the comics as I recall.  I struggled over that one a lot.  I'm sure changing over is miserable and plenty of people in the WD world have taken their lives in advance of changing over to prevent it.  It probably would have been ethically right to just put him out of his misery. 

But that said, I think they did the right thing.  I'm not sure offing him would be the most humane thing to do.  There would be some (albeit small) hope of a "cure" among some of the living.  If you killed the guy and a week later the army swooped in with a cure, that would be hard to live with.  You also have to assume the guy had some time left.  If you knew you were going to die tomorrow, would you want someone to come kill you right now or would you want every last second of life you could take?  Even in severe pain, I think most people who are dying want to hold on to whatever time they can, especially when their fate turns so quickly.  Lastly, I think I would have no problem putting a bullet in a walking corpse that was trying it's best to eat me.  Shooting someone in the head before they have changed would be pretty tough for whoever has to do it.  Even if you don't believe in a cure, a mercy killing is still taking someone's life and tough for whoever survives to come to terms with. 
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: iFett on February 16, 2012, 11:25 AM
Another thing...How come a zombie's only goal in "afterlife" is to eat people?  You'd think at some point there would be a twist on what their hobbies would be in one of these movies/shows.  What's wrong with carrots?
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: GrandMoffNick on February 16, 2012, 11:28 AM
Another thing...How come a zombie's only goal in "afterlife" is to eat people?  You'd think at some point there would be a twist on what their hobbies would be in one of these movies/shows.  What's wrong with carrots?

There is a great scene in "Pride and Prejudice and Zombies" where they come across some zombies eating cauliflower in a garden because it looks like brains.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Tracy on February 16, 2012, 12:15 PM
I saw the necklace of ears for next week's preview so perhaps he'll go off the deep end again?  I'd still like to know if/when we'll ever see his brother - and possibly the guy who got bit who they left at that tree with a gun?  I always thought we'd see him again at some point for some reason. 

Also had to re-watch the bar scene last night because I couldn't initially understand what the fat guy was saying.

The guy who got bit that they left by tree was Jim.  He declined to take Rick's gun.  He said that the group needed it more that he did and it would be a waste of a weapon.  I know it was his choice - but it seems like the most humane thing would to have been to put him out of his misery before he changed over.

This part of the TV show is actually in line with the comics as I recall.  I struggled over that one a lot.  I'm sure changing over is miserable and plenty of people in the WD world have taken their lives in advance of changing over to prevent it.  It probably would have been ethically right to just put him out of his misery. 

But that said, I think they did the right thing.  I'm not sure offing him would be the most humane thing to do.  There would be some (albeit small) hope of a "cure" among some of the living.  If you killed the guy and a week later the army swooped in with a cure, that would be hard to live with.  You also have to assume the guy had some time left.  If you knew you were going to die tomorrow, would you want someone to come kill you right now or would you want every last second of life you could take?  Even in severe pain, I think most people who are dying want to hold on to whatever time they can, especially when their fate turns so quickly.  Lastly, I think I would have no problem putting a bullet in a walking corpse that was trying it's best to eat me.  Shooting someone in the head before they have changed would be pretty tough for whoever has to do it.  Even if you don't believe in a cure, a mercy killing is still taking someone's life and tough for whoever survives to come to terms with.

I agree with what you are saying - in normal circumstances.  I would definitely want to hold out until the last minute for hope.  I assumed that in the instance of Jim - that if the fever/virus didn't kill him first - that a group of walkers probably did.   Either way - his demise was pretty grim.  But yeah - I get what you are saying about somebody having to shoot him.  They did have a discussion about it when Daryl tried to kill him.  They agreed that they don't kill the living.  I just think I would have asked someone to do it for me in that circumstance.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Sybeck1 on February 16, 2012, 01:41 PM
As a group they need to be concerned about ammo. Rick's bag could only hold so much. Which is why I would be wanting to at least scout Ft Benning, in hopes to get some automatic weapons. They have wasted so much this past week on so called firearm training. Maybe Rick's bag is magic like Jack Bauer's and it will never run dry of bullets.

About this weeks standoff coming Sunday. I assume they have 2 shotguns and 2 pistols. Hopefully the thugs have extra rounds. Herscel being a old southern country vet has probably at least shot game before, but he has been drinking. And who knows, fat guy might wake up hungry in the middle of a fire fight.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: iFett on February 16, 2012, 02:06 PM
Season 2 special box set..   8)

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Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Master_Phruby on February 16, 2012, 03:03 PM
Can we get just the head for Halloween? I could have a use for that.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on February 16, 2012, 04:38 PM
I have a use for that every day of the week.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on February 16, 2012, 07:52 PM
The boxset looks cool but I want a new wave of figures!
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on February 20, 2012, 02:23 PM
Good to see Zombies make their return to this show. I liked the first half of the episode which seemed more adrenalin-packed.

I have to sympathize with Shane's remark about having to sit back and just watch things go to hell...that's pretty much where I am coming out at this point in the season. You can just see things are going to end badly for everyone.

There is just too much drama with that bunch now, they need to hurry up and split into two camps like we all know is coming and just get it over with. I guess something is going to have to happen to Lori's baby first though since Shane apparently isn't going to let that go.

I don't get Rick bringing the kid back either...I thought he had seen the light after The Barn. OF COURSE that is going to come back to bite you in the ass. They should have left that kid as walker bait, he almost got them all killed.

I'm already getting tired of the Glenn/Maggie thing too...it's like they invent a new reason every week to squabble about something.

I worry Dale has outlived his usefulness on the show...I really like him but he's become kind of a one-note character this season. Everyone else seems to be growing and he just seems kind of stuck.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Tracy on February 20, 2012, 03:17 PM
I worry Dale has outlived his usefulness on the show...I really like him but he's become kind of a one-note character this season. Everyone else seems to be growing and he just seems kind of stuck.

This is merely speculation on my part - but I wonder if Dale is going to be forced into a situation where he is going to have to act?  I think that would be a very interesting character arc for him - to sit back an be the moral voice of reason (and lately the Town Crier) when it comes to Shane - and to finally act with force/violence.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on February 21, 2012, 01:45 AM
Just watched it...  This show gets better every week. 

I'm curious how big the crew of people from Philly ultimately is.

I knew the group should've picked up that .50 and some more of that military hardware outside the CDC.  They had a little time.  Friggin' load up people!
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: efranks on February 21, 2012, 01:42 PM
I guess Sunday's episode answered that question about whether or not Rick has spoken to Shane about Lori.  Apparently not.

Also, the outcome of Lori's situation was, ultimately, boring as hell.  That whole situation was so obnoxious and uncalled for that it pisses me off at this point.  We really gained nothing from that and it was only a waste of time when they could have spent more on Rick and the Philly crew, where there was some real drama to be had.

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Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Sybeck1 on February 21, 2012, 01:52 PM
Stupid Lori, why leave the car in the dark. Stay with it until morning. Anyway it seems she gave Rick the OK to kill Shane. 4 more episodes left and I don't see them leaving the farm this season.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Qui-Gon Jim on February 24, 2012, 01:09 PM
All caught up, and I have to say, this show gets better every week. 

That said, I can't say I really like any of the female characters in the show.  Lori is sort of like the anti-Kate Austin, dumb decisions, lots of crying.  Ugh.  Maggie is most interesting of them, but even that whole thing is sort of exhausting.  Lots of good observations here, and I can't wait for the new episode!
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Tracy on February 24, 2012, 09:27 PM
All caught up, and I have to say, this show gets better every week. 

That said, I can't say I really like any of the female characters in the show. 

I have to agree - though I am starting to like Carol more and more.  She is coming into her own and like the interactions between her and Darrell.  I just hope they don't turn it into a sappy storyline - I like the subtle way they play off of each other and are finding their self-worth together.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: JediJman on February 25, 2012, 11:01 AM
If you follow the comics, you know not to get too attached to any of the core characters.  Just fair warning...
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt_Fury on February 27, 2012, 12:14 AM
Another good episode tonight.  I also watched the Mass Effect 3 commercial 3 times.   :D
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on February 27, 2012, 09:16 AM
Yeah, solid, if forgettable. It felt pretty satisying until they showed the scenes from next week where Shane is right back to his old tricks. So really, they just wasted a whole hour and accomplished nothing.

Where were Herschel, Glenn, Jimmy, etc?

It was funny to hear Lori and Andrea get after each other, because they were both sort of right and wrong at the same time. I still do not understand why Andrea is even sticking around anymore. She doesn't like any of them, doesn't need them, and finally seems to understand she is not going to win Shane away from Lori. What's keeping her there? Everyone pretty much hates her now, and rightfully so.

The dopey kid storyline has already gone on too long, they should have killed him last episode and been done with it. I worry the longer they keep him alive the more likely it is we are going to see those other low-lifes back again and I really want them to drop that crap and get the hell off the farm again.

What was the significance of the lone walker in the field Shane kept staring at out the window? Obtuse symbolism like this gets lost on me.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: iFett on February 27, 2012, 09:38 AM
What was the significance of the lone walker in the field Shane kept staring at out the window? Obtuse symbolism like this gets lost on me.

I was wondering the same, but they touched on that a tad during the after show.  Guess it was just meant to be a "majestic" scene and something for Shane to reflect on what just took place.  The guy is a makeup artist and also "played" the first walker that came out of the building that Rick shot first with the nice mouth.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Diddly on February 27, 2012, 07:21 PM
I thought Shane and Rick finally going at it was pretty cool, as was Rick having a change of heart and rescuing Shane. The stuff with the zombie cops was awesome. And the last shot of the zombie alone in the colorful field? Eerily awesome.

Too bad all those boring females didn't go through with the suicide pact though. Seriously, why are they the worst characters on the show?
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: GrandMoffNick on February 28, 2012, 08:30 AM
I want to know what is up with the "these cop zombies don't have bites stuff".
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on February 28, 2012, 08:47 AM
I want to know what is up with the "these cop zombies don't have bites stuff".

Yeah, good point, I think that may be significant too. Scratches? Seems like a stretch.

Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on February 28, 2012, 09:33 PM
I want to know what is up with the "these cop zombies don't have bites stuff".

I think it's setting up the idea that the illness moves around other ways, possibly that some are just immune to it and others weren't, and being bitten is only one way to get it.  I was thinking the coma girl was tied into this, and she got "scratched" or some zombie spittle in her eye or whatever, but I guess not.

Just watched this week's episode while I had a little down time and was working on some junk...  Yay.  Good times.  Zombie-rific.

By the way, here's some other things Rick needs to start emphasizing to the group, since he decided to lecture Shane on the knives to the head...

-Reinforce some of those cars.  Make them weapons.  Welding isn't terribly hard, but you can also do some riveted reinforcement to the front of those pieces of **** you're driving and make mobile weapons. 

-Make some combustable **** already!  Zombies hate fire.  Even Dale would know this and he's worthless.

-Reinforce the farm with some outer defenses...  Tire spikes on the road in, etc.  Something... Anything.  Board up the first floor some at least.  These people are lazy when they've got nothing but time.

-Make some friggin' shields already.  Shields were every bit a weapon in the middle-ages, but it doesn't really take a history professor in the group to bring this to their attention.  Tear down some stop signs, get a drill, some rivets, and some leather.  Instant light, but highly destructive close-quarters defensive/offensive weapon.

-Likewise...  knives are nice, but machetes and swords are better for hack/slash.

-Find some more bows...  It's Georgia.  Besides finding racecars, Hooch, and the zombie of Roscoe P. Coaltrain, I'd imagine finding some bow hunting **** would be easy.  Compound bows aren't simple to use without practice but at least you can practice with them without wasting ammo.  Crossbows are much simpler to use by everyone though and again, it's friggin' Georgia.  There's gotta be stores everywhere with bows and other gear in them.

-Going back to the shields...  make some armor.  Somethign as simple as taking a heat gun and curling a "forearm guard" out of a for sale sign would go a long way in helping you survive a close encounter.

I'd have already killed and eaten this group, even if I wasn't a zombie.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: efranks on February 29, 2012, 11:03 AM
I will never understand the lack of focus by groups caught in this type of scenario in films and TV.  Out of all the people in the group, I would have thought Daryl would be the one to pick up on some of the things like you suggest, Jesse, but either he doesn't see the need or thinks nobody would listen to him anyway.

The first thing I'd be doing in the Zombie Apocalypse would be to get water, food, ammo, vehicle...in that order.  Then it would be fortifying my defenses (building or vehicle or both), finding more ammo and weapons, more food and water...in that order.

Knowing that a bite will infect you, my next move would be creating a "battle suit" that would be hard to bite through.  And then I'd head as far north as I could get.  Because my thought is that if the walkers are dead and they can't generate their own heat, wouldn't they freeze in the winter, possibly to the point that the brain would freeze solid and kill the walkers?  I'm thinking some nice beach front property in Ontario, along Hudson Bay.

   E...
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: GrandMoffNick on February 29, 2012, 11:35 AM
Hopefully season 3 will be them in Canada with no zombies, just living life. I bet the people that hate that they've been on the farm this whole season would love that.

Rick had the cold weather thought at the end of this last episode.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: CloneF13Y35 on February 29, 2012, 12:39 PM
I kove this show and those great 'real world' ideas. Body armour of some kind is a must to ward off errant scratches and bites. Sword, shield, daggers, ninja throwing stars, as long as it'll puncture the brain, it'll do lol.
couple questions I have are: how to the walkers just seem to be stuck in some building somewhere, like the school but as soon as they broke the glass window they poured out. I reckon they can't really 'think' and are basically existing on minimal animalistc brain functions. They can't really get tired since they don't breath so no cardio vascular stamina needed (didn't they speculate about that in the beginning of season2 when a couple walkers come into their little camp?); likewise, I wonder if their bodies would respond to the cold, they don't seem affected by the heat and humidity found in ATL in the summer.
oh well, fun show with lots to speculate about and enjoy!
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on February 29, 2012, 01:51 PM
I was thinking that, with the two security guys roaming about,t hat that was some kind of early Zombie treatment/holding area.  It was chained shut and the only two wandering around were either cops or security guards, and there was a pile of them burned too.  Makes me think maybe that fenced in yard, whatever it was, was like a place the sick were being taken and locked in when everything was breaking apart.

The group needs to be more proactive is my biggest gripe.  The farm's great, but get off your lazy ass and get a driver and start fortifying the first floor of the building already.  Lazy *******.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on February 29, 2012, 03:59 PM
I don't think Hershel would like folks boarding up his house.  There's all that tip-toeing around the fact the main group are guests and the family there still isn't up to speed on just how bad things really are.

They need walkie-talkies, too.

 I think getting some armored bulldozers would be a could zombie clearing method, especially if you had a deep pit dug to just push them into...maybe set it on fire when it was getting full.

Heading north would mean a lot of time spent getting firewood and supplies for a long winter. And other survivors will see your smoke.

The living guys Rick shot were lazy. Instead of focusing on looting and finding a place to hold up/fortify, they threaten armed guys over something they think they have. 



Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Diddly on February 29, 2012, 07:24 PM
Don't know if anyone saw this: http://www.shocktillyoudrop.com/news/165873-the-walking-dead-season-3-has-found-its-governor (http://www.shocktillyoudrop.com/news/165873-the-walking-dead-season-3-has-found-its-governor)
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: JediJman on February 29, 2012, 10:59 PM
I will never understand the lack of focus by groups caught in this type of scenario in films and TV.

Because...if there was a zombie movie where everyone was level-headed, found the resources they needed, and had battle suits to protect from infection, well, that would be a really boring show.   ;)

I am with you on the protective gear though.  I've always thought this about Zombie shows and even Vampires. Just throw 3-4 layers of thick clothes on EVERYWHERE and you should be pretty safe outside of getting suffocated by a pile of them.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on February 29, 2012, 11:14 PM
Find some football and hockey equipment...  You're a zombie killing machine.  Hell, a hockey stick alone could do a good deal of damage and at a little bit of range too (especially as zombies "soften up" a little with decay).

Hershel not letting them is something I considered, but at the same time Hershel hasn't ever been asked about it either, or so I assume...  At least now fortify the barn ya know?

I like the pit idea...  If you had someone on team with experience in heavy equipment, and access to said equipment (which should be found easily enough since I doubt most would take that as their mode of transport to flee the chaos), that's really a sound idea.  You just have to find it, which most towns have some somewhere, and you just have to get it to the farm.

Hell, a moat around the house even?  Why not?  Just be cautious about gas lines and such.  That'd be a hell of a help.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Sybeck1 on February 29, 2012, 11:29 PM
I would get a back hoe and dig a trench around the house. Walkers will just walk right into it.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: JediJman on March 1, 2012, 12:13 AM
I would get a back hoe and dig a trench around the house. Walkers will just walk right into it.

Wouldn't they claw their way up?  Or eventually you get so many of them that they can crawl across each other?  And who wants to live with walkers in a trench right outside your window?  I have the same problem with a moat.  Would water stop someone who doesn't need to breathe?  What they need is a really big fence/wall supported with vehicles or something.  Even there I think you need some patrols or a watch tower or something.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on March 1, 2012, 01:45 AM
Moats don't have to be water filled...  They just have to be pits capable of stopping/collecting an attacking enemy so they're easier to kill.  I'd not let zombies live in my moat, I'd be setting them on fire asap.

Or using a spike on the end of a pole to just poke 'em in the head one at a time.

If the pit's big enough getting out would be almost impossible for even a competent human much less a zombie.  They seem to not really go for climbing chain link fencing either...  If you can put a perimeter of that around the house, more the better. 

The problem with the moat/trench is it'll require maintenance.  Trenches collapse if you don't shore them up, erosion and things would hurt them over time, but it just means you maintain it ultimately.

Wouldn't hurt putting some zombie debilitating boobie traps around too...  Simple traps that incapacitate them, or at least limit their mobility (thigns that go for the legs in particular). 

Also though, back to the moat with water, actually teh zombies do need to breathe for some reason.  The one at the CDC showed that its respiratory system kicked back in...  it just seems to work despite massive trauma so I don't know if water would impact them or not.  They're not afraid of water, at least to a degree (flashing back to them attacking Darryl), but I know in Romero's zombie world they supposedly were afraid of water at one point then decided to walk right through it...  I dunno.  But water would actually be more of a problem than something I wanted in my moat.  I'd want my moat more as a collection zone for just an easy way to kill them efficiently and with relative safety.

Walls are great too.  Fortifications...  but a collection point solves multiple problems.  It's defensive protection for the house plus it's also a trap for ease/safety in dealing with the problem.  Plus the house could be your ultimate fortification, assuming you get that lazy assed group of people in gear and actually fortify its lowest levels.  Add in (assuming you have an unmolested Lowes nearby) a chainlink fence on the house side of the moat...  Wow.  You'd have some pretty solid safety.

If you have the means and people, and outer wall around the moat would be even better/more helpful.

Fortifications throughout history have ALWAYS been about layering, high ground/sight advantage, and efficiency in defense/killing.

It's funny how the zombies really would make you want to take a medeival approach to just about every aspect of offense/defense...  The living are the ones that would make you have to rethink that though.  Especially if any of them have accumulated military hardware.  :-\
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: JediJman on March 1, 2012, 07:50 AM
Also though, back to the moat with water, actually teh zombies do need to breathe for some reason.  The one at the CDC showed that its respiratory system kicked back in...  it just seems to work despite massive trauma so I don't know if water would impact them or not.  They're not afraid of water, at least to a degree (flashing back to them attacking Darryl), but I know in Romero's zombie world they supposedly were afraid of water at one point then decided to walk right through it...  I dunno.  But water would actually be more of a problem than something I wanted in my moat.  I'd want my moat more as a collection zone for just an easy way to kill them efficiently and with relative safety.

Not so sure about that.  If they need a respiratory system, then you wouldn't need to take off their head.  A shot in the lungs or heart should take them out.  Didn't the bicycle zombie in the first episode basically just have a head and arms?  I can't imagine the respiratory system was still working there.  I haven't seen all the Romero movies, but I know in Dawn of the Dead they're still functional under the water.  The survivors think staking out an island will work (talk about a big moat), but that doesn't go so well.

You bring up a good point about what they should really be afraid of though.  I'm not sure that the zombies pose the biggest threat to these guys...I'd be a lot more afraid of other groups of survivors.  They're mostly relying on finite resources - not everyone in the Apocalypse is going to play nice and share.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: name on March 1, 2012, 08:51 AM

couple questions I have are: how to the walkers just seem to be stuck in some building somewhere, like the school but as soon as they broke the glass window they poured out. I reckon they can't really 'think' and are basically existing on minimal animalistc brain functions. They can't really get tired since they don't breath so no cardio vascular stamina needed (didn't they speculate about that in the beginning of season2 when a couple walkers come into their little camp?); likewise, I wonder if their bodies would respond to the cold, they don't seem affected by the heat and humidity found in ATL in the summer.
oh well, fun show with lots to speculate about and enjoy!

The walkers seem to go almost dormant in the absence of a living stimulus.  When given the prospect of something to munch on, they do attempt to break glass (department store in season 1).  Without stimulus, they shuffle about in circles.

Regardless, i loved the scene of Shane breaking the window and zombies pouring out like a big undead pinata.  Especially good when you contrast it to Shane breaking open the barn and zombies pouring out like a big undead pinata.  What a difference a little preparation for what's coming makes.

Regarding heat and cold - Summer heat would affect respiratory system and body/brain temperature but I don't think that matters to walkers.  The humidity should just serve to accellerate decomposition.  I wonder what the walker situation is in southern Louisiana?  They should all just be skeletal remains by now.

Cold, though, should cause tissue - even undead tissue - to freeze solid.  Especially when that tissue has no metabolic process generating heat.

On the other hand, this seemed to have no effect in the movie Dead Snow.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: name on March 1, 2012, 08:52 AM


They need walkie-talkies, too.


They've got walkie-talkies (first few episodes).  They don't seem to have the means to recharge them.  Although a generator shouldn't be too hard to find...
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on March 1, 2012, 09:37 AM
Don't know if anyone saw this: http://www.shocktillyoudrop.com/news/165873-the-walking-dead-season-3-has-found-its-governor (http://www.shocktillyoudrop.com/news/165873-the-walking-dead-season-3-has-found-its-governor)

YYYEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!

This is the best news that has come out since Darabont got the boot...this arc will finally get the show back on track! The sooner they get away from the Kingdom of Boredom (AKA: The Farm) the better - if I have to listen to any more of these women talk about their feelings I am going to throw up.

AND, best of all - you can't cast the GOVERNOR without MICHONNE!  ;D
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: iFett on March 1, 2012, 10:09 AM
They've got walkie-talkies (first few episodes).  They don't seem to have the means to recharge them.  Although a generator shouldn't be too hard to find...

Isn't the farm running off a generator?
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: name on March 1, 2012, 12:36 PM
maybe?  I don't remember.  Last week when one of the ladies opened the fridge I wondered if that was the case, or if they were just using the refrigerator as an insulated place to keep things cool but not cold. 
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Chris M on March 1, 2012, 02:36 PM
I think I remember lamps being on, so that would lend itself to operating on a generator.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on March 1, 2012, 02:37 PM
I'm pretty sure I recall Hershel mentioning a generator.  Not sure if it's running all the time or used sparingly.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: name on March 2, 2012, 11:34 AM
Now that I think about it, when Hershel confronted Rick about the horse that was taken without permission, wasn't Hershel gassing up a generator?
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: P-Siddy on March 2, 2012, 12:36 PM
I guess AMC marketing for the Season 2 DVD ad goofed and spoiled something.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on March 2, 2012, 01:56 PM
I believe he was Name.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Sybeck1 on March 2, 2012, 01:58 PM
I guess AMC marketing for the Season 2 DVD ad goofed and spoiled something.

yeah I saw that. Also something might happen Sunday night. Look at the Wikapedia entry for this Sunday's episode if you are interested in finding out.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Morgbug on March 4, 2012, 02:33 PM
Find some football and hockey equipment...   Hell, a hockey stick alone could do a good deal of damage and at a little bit of range too (especially as zombies "soften up" a little with decay).


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Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on March 4, 2012, 10:27 PM
Damn, harsh ending there. Kinda saw the writing on the wall though.

Apparently Carl got all Lori's stupid genes?

Why do I get the feeling I saw this exact same situation play out when the castaways captured Benjamin Linus while trying to protect themselves from The Others?

Yeah, that worked out well.

Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Ghost of QG on March 4, 2012, 11:04 PM
I get the feeling things are gonna go to hell real quick these last 2 episodes...
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Sybeck1 on March 4, 2012, 11:36 PM
Wikapedia was right in picking out the results of this weeks episode
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt_Fury on March 4, 2012, 11:49 PM
Did anyone kill the Zombie Cow?
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Ghost of QG on March 4, 2012, 11:57 PM
Is Carl the new Jar Jar Binks of TWD Universe? That kid is irritating me to no end...
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Morgbug on March 5, 2012, 12:07 AM
Is Carl the new Jar Jar Binks of TWD Universe? That kid is irritating me to no end...

+1
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: efranks on March 5, 2012, 02:15 AM
Apparently Carl got all Lori's stupid genes?

And picked up Shane's ****'em all, kill or be killed attitude.

This episode points out all the reasons that I basically hate most people.  They will never fail to do something stupid at the expense of someone else. 

Like I said before, I'm still shocked Daryl hasn't gone off on his own.  Even though he almost died while out on his own, he fought all the way back to almost have Andrea kill him...  I'm him, I'd pack a bag and take off on the motorcycle.  Head down to the Florida Keys, get a truck, stockpile some supplies and go cut myself off on an island with nothing but a boat and a fishing pole.

   E...
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: CloneF13Y35 on March 5, 2012, 08:16 AM
Is Carl the new Jar Jar Binks of TWD Universe? That kid is irritating me to no end...

+1

I know seriously; I was like dam kid, first being a little punkazz talking smack to carol about her daughter, then going out into the woods to find a walker stuck in the mud. So like a typical punk kid who thinks nothing will happen to him, he throws rocks, sticks etc at the walker. Then has to go down CLOSER to it and poke it with a stick. I thought the 'oh sh!t' look on his face was priceless payback when the walker got one foot free and lunged at him.  Carl's just a 'little jimmy' if there ever was one ;)
Dale while trying to be a voice of 'civiliazed reason' in a world of chaos, was getting to be a broken record. But still, wasn't expecting him to be the one to die until the end when he was walking alone in the foggy night.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on March 5, 2012, 03:19 PM
Yep, Carl sucks, and the kid is really not even a good actor. His scenes are always painful to endure. After everything that has happened, you'd think they would, you know, try to keep an eye on him? And yet THREE separate times in the episode he sneaks off on his own and screws something up.

And I'm sure Darryl will love that he lost his gun too.

I don't think the bloodshed is over for the group this season.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Hemish on March 6, 2012, 05:53 AM
How did the zombie get over there?
I thought it was stuck in the mud trying to cross the river
Wasnt that something that was established early on?
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Chris M on March 6, 2012, 06:47 AM
I think Herschel said in the preview for next the creek was drying up. 
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on March 6, 2012, 04:47 PM
Good episode...  That was kinda sad, but at the same time it was like putting someone out of their misery.  He wasn't cut out for the new world.  Being a moral person doesn't mean you have to put you and your group at risk.  Randall's full-on creepy, and should've been killed. 

Hell, let Carl do it, he needs practice...  bad.

BTW again, and I hate to be a hardass, but wasting a bullet on the execution?  Why?  More humane?  You're eliminating a threat...  Darryl and Shane needed to handle that with Rick minding where his son is at.  Also someone needs to set a "travel in pairs" rule.  I mean, there's some seriously common sense stuff not happening and it's frustrating.

Good episode.  Love the show, and I still say this is the best thing on TV today, and the best thing I've seen in ages.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: iFett on March 6, 2012, 07:22 PM
I'm just glad Rick is back in "leader status".  Wow though...Both his wife and his son are dumbshits.  Can maybe understand the boy- being bored and all, but ya...no.  Wasn't expecting Dale to go to heaven or wherever he went, but was sick of his BS highschool chatter with everyone behind their backs all the time.  CyA!  Looks like Randall does a good job on Shane's face next Sunday...  Dude was iffy from the start and ya....I like this show   :)  Shame it's going back on vacation again soon.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on March 6, 2012, 07:43 PM
Looks like Randall does a good job on Shane's face next Sunday...  Dude was iffy from the start

I caught that too, but it smells like BS. Randall is half starved, and mostly beaten to a pulp, and he's gonna lay out Travis Bickel on steroids? I don't see it.

I think Shane lets him escape for some reason. Maybe to force the group's hand, I don't know.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Sybeck1 on March 6, 2012, 09:18 PM
The actor who played Dale was having problems with the production team according to the episode Wikapedia post. I thought it was going to be Shane who offed him. Carl must be mentally retarded to leave the walker unoccupied. Too stupid of a plot to have him just leave it in the woods when his future girlfreind was bitten by one.

There are 30 men armed with automatic weapons out there. Good to see in the preview they are preparing for a fight.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: CloneF13Y35 on March 7, 2012, 08:59 AM
Yeah to us - the viewers, carl just leaving the walker out there is plain stupid but that's part of his story arc, I guess. Eventhough Dale was getting to be a broken record as 'the voice of reason', the world as they know has changed and they have to change with it and try to make the best of it.
I mean, in 'reality of star wars', people got upset when they killed chewie off in the first book of the NJO, but Han probably shouldn't have survived being frozen in carbonite or at lest jabba should have kept him under better guard. Or Lando shouldn't have made it out of the death star2 at the end.
Oh well, it's fun and games...
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Tracy on March 7, 2012, 02:11 PM
I LOVE this show - I think AMC is shaping up to be a worldclass network - The Killing and Made Men are swell too.  Thought the fact that Darrell stepped up to put Dale out of his misery made a powerful statement that he was back in with the group.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Tracy on March 7, 2012, 02:13 PM
Is Carl the new Jar Jar Binks of TWD Universe? That kid is irritating me to no end...

+1

Yeah - I am starting to think that Lori started screwing around on Rick long before the Walkers popped up - that kid has Shane's numbnut's brains............
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Chris M on March 7, 2012, 03:23 PM
Thought the fact that Darrell stepped up to put Dale out of his misery made a powerful statement that he was back in with the group.

Agreed.  I also wonder if Darrell knows that Rick has a "problem" killing when he's not directly threatened.  Consider it the cop in him.  I wonder if Darrell was telling Rick in a roundabout way that he was okay with taking on the burden of putting Dale out of his misery.  I don't recall Darrell being particularly angry with Rick for not popping Randal when his son showed up.  Maybe he wants Rick to be a good example of a dad because he didn't have one.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on March 7, 2012, 03:43 PM
Darrel's brief shot sharpening his knife near Randal though, was intended to show Darrel was gonna do it while everyone was away too.  And quietly.  He's a really interesting character...  maybe the most interesting one in the group ultimately.

And I still wonder where that black guy and his kid are.

And T-Dawg's ass is grass.  They're doing nothing with him.  He cannot be long for that world.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on March 8, 2012, 08:55 AM
And T-Dawg's ass is grass.  They're doing nothing with him.  He cannot be long for that world.

I suspect he may have more of a role next season based on where it appears the series is heading.  ;)
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: GrandMoffNick on March 9, 2012, 01:01 PM
I won't say much in case this still happens at a different time in the show, but I just finished reading the first volume, sorry I don't know my comic terms well, Graphic Novel (the first bunch of comics together in one book) and holy crap that was different. I can't even imagine what would be happening in the show if they hadn't done it differently.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Sybeck1 on March 10, 2012, 09:00 AM
Major possible spoiler about tommorrow night, but it might be a simple guess.

Watch if spoilers don't matter to you:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HnWm7PtYW44
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Tracy on March 11, 2012, 10:25 PM
Holy ****balls!!  Shane was like a rabid dog and it sucked that he put Rick in that position.  Goes to show you that the writers aren't afraid to kill off anyone.  Where in the world did all of those walkers come from.  Good thing they finally started reinforcing the farmhouse and planning for the future - it just might be too little too late. 
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on March 11, 2012, 10:51 PM
EPIC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I thought the idea to spring Randall was just a set-up to kill him, did not think we could get to the other place so soon.

The whole episode was really well done, from the opening scene to the very last one. I am definitely watching the re-run in HD tonight.

Loved that Darryl was not buying the half-assed getaway story.
Loved Andrea deadpanning to Rick "Maybe you should stop leaving". (she's right!)
Loved Glenn getting his walker killing mojo back.
I even liked Carl manning up and getting a little redemption at the end there.

Lori continues to be a real piece of work though. Mixed signals much? I'm sure that little chat is what sent Shane over the edge, thinking he could have back everything he wanted again. Real cute lady.

Definitely something going on with the dead changing into insta-walkers. So maybe they're all already infected and the virus just presents after death as was speculated previously?

Really psyched for next week, but already feeling bummed we are looking at another long hiatus after that.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Ghost of QG on March 11, 2012, 11:30 PM
Someone should put a leash or shock collar on Carl. He's all over the place. Hope Lori watches her second child better than the first. Other than that I can't wait for the finale next week.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Greg on March 11, 2012, 11:37 PM
Great episode all around! I thought the ending was a bit predictable even if you had not read any spoilers on the web, but I don't think there is anything wrong with that approach. I think a mix of predictability(tonight) and surprises (last week's ep., which caught me off guard) is perfect.

Definitely something going on with the dead changing into insta-walkers. So maybe they're all already infected and the virus just presents after death as was speculated previously?

In season 1, Dr. Jenner mentioned that the transformation can take minutes or hours. (maybe days too? it has been awhile since I watched that ep.) That one guy tonight clearly took only a few minutes to turn, while that other character seemed to have been dead for a bit longer. I think the infection/virus thing will be addressed more next week, especially since more characters (Daryl and Glenn) got to see what was going on.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt_Fury on March 12, 2012, 12:04 AM
Seriously, who is keeping a damn eye on Carl?

They've done a prety good job this season setting up the fact that the farm is not the sanctuary they think it is.  The shot where they are talking and you can just see the zombies at the edge of the shadows is just amazing!
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: CloneF13Y35 on March 12, 2012, 08:24 AM
Eventhough I had read the spoilers about this episode, it was still riveting to watch how it played out. Like many others, I wondered how Shane could 'go zombie' so quickly so I am putting credit into the whole 'everyone is infected' supposition theory. And I don't recall if Glen or Darryl recongnized the walker as Randall? I was also glad to see Glen get his kill on after being so wishy washy lately; he even shied away from Maggie when she said he could put his stuff in her room. He was like 'with your daddy in the house?'; dude, he gave you his blessing by giving you the watch so it's ok to hook with her now. But with the zombie fest about to come crashing down on old McHershal's farm, they need to survive first.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Tracy on March 12, 2012, 08:51 AM
Re:  Carl - someone else is probably going to get themselves killed because of his stupidity.  After re-watching last night's episode - it seems like Shane's plan was pretty scattered at first.  I think he led Rick out there to goad him into killing him.  That was his true end-game:  suicide.  But he needed Rick to do it and carry it with him for the rest of his life.  Shane blames Rick for everything that is wrong with his life and everything that goes wrong with the group.  It was the ultimate mind-f*ck revenge.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on March 12, 2012, 09:12 AM
Re:  Carl - someone else is probably going to get themselves killed because of his stupidity.

Somone already has - Dale!

After re-watching last night's episode - it seems like Shane's plan was pretty scattered at first.  I think he led Rick out there to goad him into killing him.  That was his true end-game:  suicide.  But he needed Rick to do it and carry it with him for the rest of his life.

The guy in Talking Dead alluded to this too, but I don't think that's what was going on in that scene. I don't think Shane actually wanted or expected Rick to shoot him. I think he was trying to prove his point very vividly - that Rick was not able to protect his family or lead thr group because he was scared to make the hard choices. He's basically taunting Rick - 'hey, I'm a threat to you, your loved ones, and everyone else in our group, I brought you out here to kill you, and you're STILL not willing to fight to protect what's yours?'

It's as if Shane was almost trying to convince himself that Rick was not worthy. Even as far as he had gone to that point, he still needed to cement his resolve. And I think he would have done it too, if Rick had not gone all K-Bar on him. (That was beautiful)

I'm certain Glenn and Dale recognized Randall was the walker. It took me two viewings to be sure myself.

Yeah, that last scene in the field with the encroaching walkers looked amazing on HD widescreen.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Qui-Gon Jim on March 12, 2012, 10:00 AM
Goes to show you that the writers aren't afraid to kill off anyone.

Damn right.  I was shocked last week, and again this week.  The best part is that as much of a douche as Shane has been, he was dead on 100% right when he was telling Rick that Carl needs his daddy more than the group needs Rick to lead for the moment.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Tracy on March 12, 2012, 11:05 AM
The best part is that as much of a douche as Shane has been, he was dead on 100% right when he was telling Rick that Carl needs his daddy more than the group needs Rick to lead for the moment.
+1!  I could not agree with you (or Shane - as much as it chaps my ass to admit it) more!  That was the one true moment of clarity that Shane had in a long time - when it seems like he wasn't trying to manipulate Rick - just being real for once.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Sybeck1 on March 12, 2012, 11:06 AM
Looking ahead to next week, it will be really surprising if they will have a bullet left after what is coming. And sadly, I look for Herschel to buy the farm protecting his.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: name on March 12, 2012, 02:26 PM


The whole episode was really well done, from the opening scene to the very last one. I am definitely watching the re-run in HD tonight.

So I'm not the only one who gets AMC in standard def only, until it loads to On Demand..then it's in  HD? 
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: efranks on March 12, 2012, 04:08 PM
Not only do I not have AMC in hi def, I don't even have a hi def TV.

Something that I thought about while talking with a buddy, on the topic of Carl, is that he's not really doing anything that kids his age wouldn't do.  Except that most kids aren't living in the zombie apocalypse.  And didn't just watch their father put a bullet in the head of the only age appropriate dateable girl left...possibly in the world.

Throwing rocks at an "animal," stealing dad's gun, wandering around in the woods, randomly shooting stuff?  I'm guilty of most of that (except stealing dad's gun, I had my own).  Still, hasn't that kid seen enough ****** stuff to know that he can't be typical anymore?

   E...
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: name on March 12, 2012, 04:29 PM
Opening sequence last night reminded me of this:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PywI0BOxJpI&feature=related
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Tracy on March 12, 2012, 08:00 PM
Classic.  Except the only thing it ever ate was their paper............ ;)
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Morgbug on March 12, 2012, 09:49 PM
Bizarre dreams last night.  I ended up watching the episode twice, the Talking Dead and then the start of the third go around  ::)  I woke up every forty five minutes or so after seeing zombies in my dreams.  Not nightmares, just dreams.  By the third time it was getting funny.  I think there was some subliminal messaging going on when Rick was dead and the image was flashing.   :-X
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on March 13, 2012, 12:02 AM
Pretty bad assed episode, and a lost of one of the most important characters in the group is a massive blow to the minds of the viewers.  Things like that, to me, show that the world they're in is "very real".  The producers/writers mind-****** the audience when Rick saved Shane back at the fenced in place...  Everything's alright guys!  Shane's safe, Rick taught him a lesson.

Bzzzzzzzt!  Wrong!

First Dale gets killed by something that's really a total accident...  I agree with E about Carl just kind of doing what kids do.  I had pellet guns at an early age, and was a trouble maker.  He's a kid being a kid, but in a pretty screwed up world...  Plus he maybe had a bad streak in him too...  wanders off and things, does kind of the opposite of what he's told, bit of a backtalker...  Needs a firm hand.

Dale, you're dealing with then...  But then this week rolls around, and now a guy far more important in the greater story is gone, and by his best buddy, and then again by his buddy's kid.  And it's not even the last show of the season!?  Wow.

Again...  I reinforce that they SHOULD have been doing this long ago...  And I reiterate my earlier points that you HAVE to think medeival at this point.  You have to look at the world around you, and see that some parts of you are exposed more often.  Glenn's tustle with Randall zombie winds up leaving him very susceptible to a bite, but now if he'd had better weaponry and at least some very minimal forearm and hand protection. 

The best weapons they could possibly make are shields...  They're defensive and offensive, relatively easy to deal with/carry, and deadly efficient.

And that moat's looking like a good thought that they should've been working on quite some time ago, and didn't.

I'm still frustrated by the group, but Shane was off his rocker and a massive threat unto himself (too nuts to be leader, but not dumb enough to be controlled and used as a positive member of the group).  He either had to go, or Rick did.  Someone on Talking Dead said about there being two alpha males, and that's one too many, and that is a good point.  I'm not sure Rick is the best choice as leader, as much as he's the only choice now that Shane is gone, and Shane was equally bad for different reasons.

It's an interesting show, and it's a shame it's coming to an end for another season.  It's hard to go without it.  I cannot really say I've ever felt this strong about a TV series...  I liked Sopranoes, a lot, but that really was never the same as The Walking Dead.  This is so masterfully done every week...  It really is fantastic.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: GrandMoffNick on March 13, 2012, 08:19 AM
I won't say much in case this still happens at a different time in the show, but I just finished reading the first volume, sorry I don't know my comic terms well, Graphic Novel (the first bunch of comics together in one book) and holy crap that was different. I can't even imagine what would be happening in the show if they hadn't done it differently.

That was a coincidence. They just waited a little longer in the show.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: CloneF13Y35 on March 13, 2012, 09:07 AM
I agree with ya Jessie, maybe they'll throw in a line by Glen or Darryl saying something like 'maybe we should have some kind of body armor or something'... to which Herschal pipes up and says he's got some stuff in the basement; he did say they could hold up down there for three or four days - given the fact they're about to be overrun with walkers. I wonder would they eventually wander off if they couldn't find anyone to eat?
From what I've read online about the finale, it's gonna be brutal and the cast as we know it will be drastically reduced. My bet is Herschal and the daughter who was in a coma and wanted to die will go; Glen may die saving Maggie but then she's just as bad-azz tomboy so she might be able to hold her own. Probably carol, sophia's mom will go too.  I could see Daryl and T-bag er i mean T-dog being able to fight off enough walkers to survive. PLus Rick, Lori and Carl, the Jr Zombie-surrogate-father killer.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on March 13, 2012, 09:18 AM
My survival picks:

Rick
Lori
Carl
Andrea
Glenn
Maggie
T-Dawg
Darryl

I guess they can keep Carol alive but like Dale she seems increasingly irrelevant. Andrea is sort of on an island now too, post-Shane, but she's interesting enough to keep around, IMO.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: iFett on March 13, 2012, 10:16 AM
Caught Sunday's ep this morning.  Not sure why, but I dig watching this show in the early morning hours before the sun comes up.  Carl is flat out getting annoying, but can understand him wanting to explore - needs a leash though.  Honestly wasn't expecting Shane to go down, but kinda got that feeling once they reached the hill and the look Rick was giving him about Randall and how he knew what happend.

Didn't think that zombie was Randall at first until I saw Shane turn so quickly so had to "rewind" to watch that scene again.  Will put an interesting twist on the show now with the dead and no interaction with a zombie now that we finally saw it in action.  Wonder if Shane thought - hey man now I'm a big bad zombie and I'm going to eat your ass now Rick.   :D

The walkers on the hill during the last scene was just fantastic - in HD.  I don't even like watching shows on tv that aren't high-def.

I won't say much in case this still happens at a different time in the show, but I just finished reading the first volume, sorry I don't know my comic terms well, Graphic Novel (the first bunch of comics together in one book) and holy crap that was different. I can't even imagine what would be happening in the show if they hadn't done it differently.

That was a coincidence. They just waited a little longer in the show.

Eh?  Chatting with yourself Nick?   ;)
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: GrandMoffNick on March 13, 2012, 10:31 AM

Eh?  Chatting with yourself Nick?   ;)

I was "talking" to anyone who has read the comics and would know what I meant and to myself  ;). Guess it doesn't ruin anything now, (just in case you don't want to read this) ................................  but yeah in the comic Shane was about to kill Rick and then gets shot himself by Carl just way earlier on in the story. Kind of a coincidence I chose to read the comic and think it would be weird without Shane and then he gets killed in the show 2 days later. So conversation with self over (at least online).
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: JediJman on March 13, 2012, 12:01 PM
About time Shane got killed - it happens much much sooner in the comics.  But in the comics they didn't initially realize that the dead always come back later and they bury Shane before he turns.  Rick eventually rides back to dig Shane back up, then kills him (again) to put him out of his misery (as opposed to letting his zombie self live forever buried underground).  Makes you wonder if all the non-decomposed people in cemetaries are now zombies trapped underground in their coffins?  There was no CDC side story in the comics, so I am anxious to hear what that whisper was at the end of season one.  Sounds like we will find out in the finale.

Oh, and in the comics they do explore protecitve gear and sheilds.  Wait for it - I'm sure its coming in S3.   ;)

Did anyone ever discover a way to watch these online for free?  Still have yet to see an episode of S2.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: iFett on March 13, 2012, 02:39 PM
I'm pretty sure Jenner whispered everyone's already infected    or something along those lines.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on March 13, 2012, 02:42 PM
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I wonder would they eventually wander off if they couldn't find anyone to eat?

I would say this is at least highly probable...  Maybe not entirely, but some.

Between them moving in herds (there's still stragglers of course) and what we saw early in the show with them outside that black guy's house, they're seemingly able to lose interest as long as there's nothing keeping their interest like maybe light or sound.

I find it interesting how though, at that black guy's house, some were sticking around, other's wandered off, and his wife kept trying to get in the house at night as if she remembered it and wanted to come home.  Makes you wonder why they keep wandering near Herschel's property since it's so secluded?  Wouldn't they instead rather stick to the highways and things they maybe remember vaguely?  What drives them off the roads and into the woods like that?  Can they maybe smell the cattle from great distances?
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: JediJman on March 13, 2012, 02:42 PM
I'm pretty sure Jenner whispered everyone's already infected    or something along those lines.

That doesn't seem quite right.  If that was the case wouldn't people be turning into zombies on their own without a bite or scratch?
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: iFett on March 13, 2012, 02:52 PM
Well we didn't see the first non-bite walkers with the security guards an episode or so back so I'm guessing they'll dive more into that in the next season.

Side note - Lori gives birth to a zombie.  Calling it now.   :)
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: CloneF13Y35 on March 13, 2012, 03:42 PM
well I just read over at a reliable spoiler site "suppossedly" how it all goes down and IF it's even partly true then Dayum it's gonna a heluva show!  It also talks about how the group of walkers got there in the first place and supossedly answers the BIG question specifically raised by Randall and Shane...
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: JediJman on March 13, 2012, 05:15 PM
Side note - Lori gives birth to a zombie.  Calling it now.   :)

Not unless they stray drastically from the comics.  And you're assuming she even makes it to delivery...  :-X
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Sybeck1 on March 13, 2012, 05:16 PM
Just watched a youtube that was dead on for last week. Feel like I spoiled for me looking at it. But all I can say is it is going to be a hell of an episode.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: iFett on March 13, 2012, 06:00 PM
Not unless they stray drastically from the comics.  And you're assuming she even makes it to delivery...  :-X

For really?  What are they going to kill off the entire cast?  I can see this show lasting far past season 3, but seems to me they're going to have to do some new hiring if they do!
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: JediJman on March 13, 2012, 06:16 PM
Not unless they stray drastically from the comics.  And you're assuming she even makes it to delivery...  :-X

For really?  What are they going to kill off the entire cast?  I can see this show lasting far past season 3, but seems to me they're going to have to do some new hiring if they do!

Well, the comics did a good job of adding to the cast as they take people away.  Rick and his gang obviously aren't the only survivors out there.   ;)  So far, the characters I like the best from the book have stuck around, but the show has definitely killed off different people, or at least in a different order.  At the heart of it, this is Rick's journey.  Anyone else is just fodder for him to play off of. 

If you really want to know who survives in the books, read on...

Rick, of course, though he gets a nasty injury later on
Carl makes it.  I don't care for his character in the book either, but he gets a crazy injury well into the story
Andrea rocks.  She's tough as nails and a sharpshooter, but much younger in the comic.
Glenn sticks around too.  right hand man to Rick and crazy good at getting supplies for the group.  Maggie holds out too. For now.
Lori has the baby, but they can't kill off all these people and let Rick's family go unscathed.  She and the baby get killed in a crossfire with another group.


They haven't even met Michonne or Abraham yet, which are two of the best characters in the comic right now...
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Sybeck1 on March 16, 2012, 09:06 AM
Not unless they stray drastically from the comics.  And you're assuming she even makes it to delivery...  :-X

For really?  What are they going to kill off the entire cast?  I can see this show lasting far past season 3, but seems to me they're going to have to do some new hiring if they do!

Well, the comics did a good job of adding to the cast as they take people away.  Rick and his gang obviously aren't the only survivors out there.   ;)  So far, the characters I like the best from the book have stuck around, but the show has definitely killed off different people, or at least in a different order.  At the heart of it, this is Rick's journey.  Anyone else is just fodder for him to play off of. 

If you really want to know who survives in the books, read on...

Rick, of course, though he gets a nasty injury later on
Carl makes it.  I don't care for his character in the book either, but he gets a crazy injury well into the story
Andrea rocks.  She's tough as nails and a sharpshooter, but much younger in the comic.
Glenn sticks around too.  right hand man to Rick and crazy good at getting supplies for the group.  Maggie holds out too. For now.
Lori has the baby, but they can't kill off all these people and let Rick's family go unscathed.  She and the baby get killed in a crossfire with another group.


They haven't even met Michonne or Abraham yet, which are two of the best characters in the comic right now...

I don't see what happens to Rick being able to carry over to the show.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on March 16, 2012, 09:14 AM
I don't see what happens to Rick being able to carry over to the show.

I'm very curious to see what they do on that point as well. It's a pretty integral part of the book, and we know they are headed into this storyline next season, so it will be interesting to see how they handle that whole question.

I'll be very happy if the rest of that stuff comes true though.  ;D
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: efranks on March 18, 2012, 10:32 PM
Holy ****.

Couple things:
- Lori getting all indignant after the talk with Rick? ******. That bitch has gotta go.
- The "savior" in the woods?  Badass.
- NOW he wants to hole up and fortify?  Closing the barn door after the horse is out and all that...
- Rick with a set of balls is completely overcompensating for his earlier actions.

   E...
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Tracy on March 18, 2012, 11:04 PM
Holy ****.


- Lori getting all indignant after the talk with Rick? ******. That bitch has gotta go.

I thought the exact same thing.  What right did she have to get judgmental on him?  She pretty much ensured that Rick would never trust Shane again with her little speech in the tent.  She totally fired him up and egged him on.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on March 18, 2012, 11:14 PM
Sigh, so much awesomeness, and then there's effing Lori.  ::)

The first 20 minutes was solid gold...I'm not sure how many consecutive hours I could watch of zombie armageddon, but it would be an awful lot.

Definitely will have to watch the recap later because I still do not get really what their plan was at the Farm...seemed like a lot of aimless driving back and forth and wasting ammo on undead target practice. Sure made for exciting TV though. Poor Jimmy! Poor Patricia too. I'm kinda surprised the suicidal chick made it out alive, and Hersel for that matter. I thought for sure he was going down in a blaze of glory, but glad they decided to keep him around.

The barn burning scene was awesome, really well done...a highlight of the season for sure.

Bummer about Andrea, but if she hadn't gotten separated it wouldn't have led to ONE OF SINGLE MOST AWESOME SCENES IN TELEVISION OVER THE PAST FIVE YEARS:

MICHONNE FTW, baby!!!

The awesomeness meter on this show just got cranked up to about 15 on the Bad-Ass Scale!

And not only that, the closing shot of The Prison!?! - How incredible was THAT? Nerdgasm!

The only sour note in the whole episode, and I am getting tired of coming back to this, but damn, LORI. WHAT THE HELL?!?! YOU basically tell Rick to murder Shane, then screw with Shane's head causing him to try and murder Rick, and then when Rick actually does what you asked, because he is forced to due to your careless meddling, you have the unbelievable audacity to get all huffy WITH HIM?!?!?

She is just a rotten person, plain and simple. I wish she would just leave and take Carol with her already. Ugh, so over those two.

Some interesting stuff from Talking Dead:

The have cast the role of Michonne but I have no idea who the actress was (Denai something?) they showed so no idea if this was a good choice or what.

The host actually asked them what the hell about Lori and before Kirkman joked it away the other dude Mazzara started to explain that it was really herself she was mad at for setting all these events into motion more or less, but still, geez.

I guess they were originally planning to have Randall escape and kill Hershel but ultimately changed their minds and let him live.

Great show, great season, a little slow at times but definitely strong as hell at the end there. Looking forward to next year SO MUCH!
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Tracy on March 18, 2012, 11:40 PM
Sigh, so much awesomeness, and then there's effing Lori.  ::)

The only sour note in the whole episode, and I am getting tired of coming back to this, but damn, LORI. WHAT THE HELL?!?! YOU basically tell Rick to murder Shane, then screw with Shane's head causing him to try and murder Rick, and then when Rick actually does what you asked, because he is forced to due to your careless meddling, you have the unbelievable audacity to get all huffy WITH HIM?!?!?

She is just a rotten person, plain and simple. I wish she would just leave and take Carol with her already. Ugh, so over those two.


Nail. On. The. Head.  For a while there I was starting to like Carol and how she was coming into her own after getting away from her ******* husband.  I had hoped she and Darrell would hook up - they seemed good for each other and brought out the best in each other.  Now she just seems like a whiney harpy.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: efranks on March 18, 2012, 11:46 PM
Yeah, what's up with Carol?  The group had been looking to Rick as their leader, wanted him to step up (but he hadn't quite yet) and take charge and now she basically called Daryl his flunky (or enforcer or whatever).  Well, isn't that kind of what they wanted? Him to take charge?  Leaders need an enforcer or two and Shane was going batshit crazy so Daryl was a good choice.

And without getting too spoilerish, is Lori such a complete waste in the comics as she's been on the show?

On the plus side, it was good to see Rick confirm what he learned at the CDC and what we've all basically guessed at.

I don't know the actress they got for Michonne.  Here name is Danai Gurira.  Her major credit till now has been Treme.  She's guested on a bunch of stuff, but not really a key role yet.  She's hot, though, and if she's playing a kickass character, I'm not going to argue.

   E...
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on March 18, 2012, 11:52 PM
Carol and Maggie are gonna cause as much trouble as Lori.  The way they write women on this show sometimes.

They were in a rush to get off the highway, too much...if they weren't thinking about gasoline.

Some tidbits on the talk show that airs after it:

-Hershell was originally planned to be killed by an escaped Randal, but they wisely changed their minds.

-Jimmy was to be the thing Dale found in the field, this was before Dale was gonna be killed off I think.

-It was 27 degrees when they filmed the barn night scenes. Zombie Breath had to be removed via CGI
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt_Fury on March 18, 2012, 11:57 PM
I like how they showed the helicopter from the pilot episode.  Hope to see more of that down the line.

I think if I were going to have two zombies on a leash, I'd remove their jaws as well as their arms.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Greg on March 19, 2012, 12:20 AM
I think if I were going to have two zombies on a leash, I'd remove their jaws as well as their arms.

I think the jaws are sewn shut, or maybe they are removed. I bet we will know for sure in Season 3.

As for the women in the show, I can understand what is going on even though (like most) I don't like it. I think Lori is regretting her decisions since her manipulation has permanently eliminated Shane (who she still seemed to care about) while transforming Rick into someone just like Shane. She clearly didn't think things through which really aggravates me.

With Carol, I think she is also disturbed by Rick's transformation. She also didn't have the highest opinion of Rick to begin with, since he abandoned her daughter and was (from her POV, anyway) responsible for her death. I think her attitude is justified when Daryl, the person who tried the hardest to find Sophia, is staying loyal to the man who abandoned and "killed" Sophia. While I can understand what is possibly going on with the ladies in the group I think their development could be handled much better. The shifts in emotions seem to be very drastic, which aggravates me.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: efranks on March 19, 2012, 09:38 AM
The shifts in emotions seem to be very drastic, which aggravates me.

Well, they are women. (ducks and runs away)

You have some valid points and now, the next morning, I see where you're coming from and think I agree with you.  At least on Carol. 

I still think Lori is a complete pain in the ass.  I agree with McMetal; Lori as much as told Rick that Shane had to go then mindfucks Shane by mentioning that she's confused and not 100% sure who the father of the baby is, giving him some glimmer of hope and basically putting him on a collision course with Rick.  One had to die, she was going to be one of the main reasons for that, and now she's pissed because it happened.

On the topic of the walkers that Michonne had, in the article annoucing the casting (http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/walking-dead-michonne-danai-gurira-301498) for the actress it mentions that the walkers were "armless and jawless."  Makes sense.  If they can't grab you and cant gnaw on you, not quite as dangerous.  The look was too quick last night for me to register anything besides that they were chained up and armless, and I don't have hi def so even if I paused it I don't know if I could have seen the jaws (or lack of).

   E...
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: CloneF13Y35 on March 19, 2012, 09:39 AM
I agree with everyone's assesments, while the spoilers I read were dead on, it was still very exciting to see how it all played out. I really only got into the show during the season 1 and 2 marathan before this second half got started back in Jan/Feb so that helped keep everything in mind. Unlike Lost, after 5 or 6 years, you kinda forgot a lot of stuff that had happened before by the time it ended.
I could see the character development of many of them, from bad to better and bad to worse a la Shane. The major spoiler/reveal that everyone is already infected was widely suspected by us but helped answer to them the WHY some people became zombies without obvious bites, scratches which seemed to only speed up the process once injured.  And with Randall and Shane becoming zombies after being killed by conventional means proved that. But the other questions is HOW? Was it airborne, some kind of aresol chemical released into the air and why?
Anyway, so many interesting things happened with the group - Lori freaking out at Rick over what she prodded him to do to Shane; Glen/Maggie getting together - now if he'll man up a little and stop letting her boss him around lol; Hershal leaving his farm and for now, giving Rick his support; Daryl coming into his own, even still as an outsider (at least to himself). Maybe he and Carol will hook up or at least get her to quit her bitchen.
Glad to see Andrea make it and thanks to the character from the comics which I haven't read - Michonne coming to Andrea's rescue. How cool was it seeing her dragging her two zombies behind her on chains? I've read somewhere it says one is her brother and other one is her boyfriend and she keeps them around to disguise her from other walkers.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: iFett on March 19, 2012, 09:41 AM
I didn't quite catch the helicopter thing in the beginning - even on the talking dead they didn't say that was from the pilot.  I dunno.  I thought the chopter lured all the walkers to the farm - why were they all hell bent on getting there to begin with - just the gunshot derailed them?

The armless walkers on chains lead by Michonne.  OMFG!!  I've no clue who she is, but a fan fave from the books I guess.  Can't wait to see more of that kinda stuff.  Trained walkers?  rad

Lori and Carl need to leave.  They both annoy me.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: efranks on March 19, 2012, 10:04 AM
I didn't quite catch the helicopter thing in the beginning - even on the talking dead they didn't say that was from the pilot.  I dunno.  I thought the chopter lured all the walkers to the farm - why were they all hell bent on getting there to begin with - just the gunshot derailed them?

I didn't quite get the timeline of the helicopter either but if it was in the pilot then the course of events seems to be that it caught the attention of the walkers which started following it.  Once in motion, they just kept going.  They were joined by a second group (that we saw, probably by more) which really increased the ranks and they kept on mostly in a straight line out of Atlanta.  They happened to be near the farm and heard Carl's gunshot and that turned them in that direction.

It shows that they really are a herd, basically.  Mindlessly set in motion by something that, to them, signaled live humans for them to eat.  But once on the move, they didn't really deviate until something else stimulated them into thinking "food."

   E...
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Qui-Gon Jim on March 19, 2012, 10:36 AM
Sigh, so much awesomeness, and then there's effing Lori.  ::)

The only sour note in the whole episode, and I am getting tired of coming back to this, but damn, LORI. WHAT THE HELL?!?! YOU basically tell Rick to murder Shane, then screw with Shane's head causing him to try and murder Rick, and then when Rick actually does what you asked, because he is forced to due to your careless meddling, you have the unbelievable audacity to get all huffy WITH HIM?!?!?

She is just a rotten person, plain and simple. I wish she would just leave and take Carol with her already. Ugh, so over those two.



Nail. On. The. Head.  For a while there I was starting to like Carol and how she was coming into her own after getting away from her ******* husband.  I had hoped she and Darrell would hook up - they seemed good for each other and brought out the best in each other.  Now she just seems like a whiney harpy.
+2.  Couldn't agree more.  I would say that 75% of Rick's speech was directed right at that beyotch.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on March 20, 2012, 12:08 AM
I thought you almost had to watch Talking Dead this time to make sure you got everything...

As has been noted, the show's honchoes mentioned that Lori's mad at herself, at least as much as Rick I guess, over what happened to Shane...  She maybe didn't expect murder to be the answer, but more for Rick to put him in his place and keep him there.  How do you get mad though, considering what Shane did to Rick to get him out alone like that?  She's probably equally mad/upset that now Carl's involved heavily, and that's going to be a scarring thing and all.

I liked Rick's flip-out though...  long overdue with this bunch of roaming appetizers.  They're a bunch of dickheads, and spineless.  People like T-Dawg, Carol, Lori, Glenn/Maggie...  They don't have my respect.  Not one of them.  The world is a world of "Rick's, Shane's, & Dale's".  The first two are independant, and capable.  The last is not.  The first two will come to disagreement...  The last will bitch, but couldn't survive on its own.

The Vato's are a group of Rick's...  or at least they seemed to have some level of solidarity behind what they were doing.  Trying to do a moral thing in a world of chaos.

On other points...  I totally agree with Greg about Carol's behavior...  Justified when you look at it from her POV, but her POV is admittedly warped.  She blames Rick, and loves Darryl, so she sees Darryl as pandering to Rick...  Likewise Maggie feels/felt the same about Glenn.  Stop being their slave, doign the dirty work, and be more of a Rick/Shane type!

Well, that's much easier said than done, isn't it?  It's the guy with the pistol permit, maybe even willing to draw it, but does he have the courage to use it?  Fight or flight is a hard thing to control, and Rick has the ability to do that when others do not.  Shane did too, for better or worse.  Andrea's getting there.  Michonne looks to have it and then some.

As far as the timeline goes, and the copter, IIRC the zombies eating the dog were there, no?  I recall that somewhere....  The herd thing is something Darryl touched on too.  Staying off broader highways is a good idea because big open space like that leads instinctively to migration.  That's kind of neat to see it hinted at a little bit...  The herds move in bulk, and prefer moving where it's easier to move...  I liked how they hit that fence and just stood there.  Good to think they're that dumb at least, and probably aren't able to climb ladders.

The prison was hard to make out what it was when I was watching.  I didn't find out till, again, Talking Dead that it was that...  I'd considered prisons as a place to maybe go and even said that, if you were on the West Coast, that you may try to get to Alcatraz...  But on the East Coast a lot of prisons are like fortresses equally good at keeping people out as they are keeping them in.  Problem is, who's left inside, if anyone, that's alive?

You think 30 guys from Philly and whoever they picked up on the way down are bad, then think about who's in the prison...  People who society basically exiled long ago, and who themselves largely abandoned society.  It's a fort, but be careful who you're playing cowboys and undeadindians with.

And I totally figured Patricia and Jimmy were done for...  I really thought T-Dawg's time is up.  A little shocked someone like him is stilling hangin' in there.

Great season finale, best show on TV, and outstanding all around.  I'm floored by it every week.

Oh, and one more thing...  Who cares if you turn into a zombie regardless?  Unless you turn into one spontaneously...  like you die because of the illness and just boom at osme point zombie-out, then who cares?  If it's just whenever you die from whatever kills you, be it a bite, a gun shot, a knife to the gut, a muscle-head breaking your neck, falling off a ladder, or a heartattack from old age, then who cares?  Isn't it just another part of life at that point?  You're just going to have to make sure when grandpa dies in the night from old age, that you pop him one in the head to make sure he doesn't wake up when you're doing the eulogy right?  I don't see the big deal there, assuming that it's not possible for the disease itself to kill you and reanimate you.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: JediJman on March 20, 2012, 07:33 AM
Oh, and one more thing...  Who cares if you turn into a zombie regardless?  Unless you turn into one spontaneously...  like you die because of the illness and just boom at osme point zombie-out, then who cares?  If it's just whenever you die from whatever kills you, be it a bite, a gun shot, a knife to the gut, a muscle-head breaking your neck, falling off a ladder, or a heartattack from old age, then who cares?  Isn't it just another part of life at that point?  You're just going to have to make sure when grandpa dies in the night from old age, that you pop him one in the head to make sure he doesn't wake up when you're doing the eulogy right?  I don't see the big deal there, assuming that it's not possible for the disease itself to kill you and reanimate you.

I think people instinctively want to be laid to rest when they die.  I get what you're saying - if you're dead, then you won't know the difference anyway, but it's the thought of what will happen to your body afterwards.  When you die, do you want to be buried somewhere or just dumped in the family garbage can?  It really shouldn't matter I guess, but it does to most people.  I also think people don't want to go down knowing that they're going to add to the zombie ranks.  If anything, I'd want to not come back just to cleanse the world of one more zombie.

Now that said, I wonder if anyone WANTS to become a zombie.  The flip side of the arguement is that you would "live" longer and who knows what sense of self you might still have as a zombie.  What if they somehow came up with a cure?  Obviously a rat's chance in Hell of that happening, but that kind of mindset might make some people prefer to come back just in case...
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: CloneF13Y35 on March 20, 2012, 10:21 AM
On another mesasage board, someone asked why didn't Dale become a zombie like Randall and Shane and I mentioned that Daryl shot Dale in the head to destroy his brain; Shane and Randall did not 'die' that way initially. Rick didn't know for certain (whether it'll ever be mentioned or maybe it was somewhere - I  know Rick ws told by Dr. Jenner but until seeing it with Shane, I don't think he totally believed it) that Shane would Zombie up like that and so quickly. But like they said on Talking Dead, Shane had so much agressive energy in him, he transformed really quickly. So going back to everyone is infected, if little Ms. 'I wanna die cause life sux' (Herschal's youngest daughter who did survive), HAD been sucessfully in killing herself then she would have zombied up too and Herschal or someone would have had to put her down. When Maggie was attacked the second time she and Glen went to the store, I think it flipped a switch in her mind that - yeah - they ain't 'sick people', they're freaking zombies.
i want to pick up some of the comics to get a better feel for the story. I'll need SOMETHING to watch/do until the Fall LOL.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Tracy on March 20, 2012, 01:19 PM
On another mesasage board, someone asked why didn't Dale become a zombie like Randall and Shane and I mentioned that Daryl shot Dale in the head to destroy his brain;

Actually - Darryl shot Dale in the head as an act of mercy - to end his suffering.  He had no idea at that point the that living need headshots at the end also to prevent them from turning into Walkers. 
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: CloneF13Y35 on March 20, 2012, 02:13 PM
On another mesasage board, someone asked why didn't Dale become a zombie like Randall and Shane and I mentioned that Daryl shot Dale in the head to destroy his brain;

Actually - Darryl shot Dale in the head as an act of mercy - to end his suffering.  He had no idea at that point the that living need headshots at the end also to prevent them from turning into Walkers.

I remember watching the marathans for season 2, when Daryl returned from squirrel hunting after Rick showed up and a few walkers showed up, he shot them in the head and said something to the effect of: 'Ya gotta shoot 'em in th' head, donchall know nuthin?' I always took that to mean he knew you had to shoot them in the head. But also I agree he shot Dale that way to put him out of his misery too.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on March 20, 2012, 02:27 PM
On another mesasage board, someone asked why didn't Dale become a zombie like Randall and Shane and I mentioned that Daryl shot Dale in the head to destroy his brain;

Actually - Darryl shot Dale in the head as an act of mercy - to end his suffering.  He had no idea at that point the that living need headshots at the end also to prevent them from turning into Walkers.

I see your point Tracy, but I think Darryl was doing double duty there...  a quick ending for Dale's pain, but also Dale had been attacked by a zombie, and there was already some questioning as to whether scratches could infect you.  Plus nobody was entirely sure if Dale had been bitten...  I think Darryl was making sure Dale wasn't coming back too.

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When you die, do you want to be buried somewhere or just dumped in the family garbage can?

I'd prefer yard-a-paulted.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: name on March 21, 2012, 11:19 AM
But like they said on Talking Dead, Shane had so much agressive energy in him, he transformed really quickly.

Or perhaps he was already partially symptomatic?  Maybe he was less resistant to the infection than the rest of the carriers?

What troubles me about the idea that they are all carriers, that removes all hope unless a cure can be found.  Regular "don't get bitten" zombie apocalypse scenarios allow survivors to just outlast the zombies if a quarantine can be found...eventually they will all decompose.  But if everyone who dies, even in quarantine, is going to wake up hungry the zombie life cycle is never going to be interrupted.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Tracy on March 21, 2012, 01:49 PM
Agreed.  Rick's group now knows that all dead/dying need a hole in the head - but how long will it take other's to figure this out?  I does seem hopeless unless there is an unforseen event/climate/etc. that helps to eliminate them.  [Please - if you know already - no hints or spoilers]
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: JediJman on March 21, 2012, 03:41 PM
Agreed.  Rick's group now knows that all dead/dying need a hole in the head - but how long will it take other's to figure this out?  I does seem hopeless unless there is an unforseen event/climate/etc. that helps to eliminate them.  [Please - if you know already - no hints or spoilers]

No spoilers on the comic front.  They never touch on any of the science in the book because there was no CDC sotryline.  None of the survivors have any real scientific expertise, so I don't recall this ever coming up.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: JediJman on May 8, 2012, 02:59 PM
I've started re-reading the graphic novels again from the start.  There's a lot that I had forgotten about and details that I missed the first time through.  They DO realize in the book that they're all infected - it just happens at the prison instead of at the farm.  There's a big piece on it that I didn't recall.

Anyone planning to get these?  Walking Dead Minimates (http://www.dreadcentral.com/news/54073/walking-dead-minimates-now-available-pre-order)
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: CloneF13Y35 on May 9, 2012, 10:24 AM
yeah I still want to get some of the comic collections just to stay in the environment and to see what else happens.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Sybeck1 on May 24, 2012, 08:17 PM
I am wondering how far into the season will Rick and his people learn Andrea is still alive. She of course still thinks Shane is alive. Will she and Michonne run into the governor before Rick does?
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: CloneF13Y35 on May 25, 2012, 03:36 PM
Interesting question, not sure; but they have finished filming the first episode. guess more details will start to leak out over the next few months.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: evenflow on May 27, 2012, 08:02 PM
Just watched the first 2 seasons for the first time over the past 2 weeks. Pretty entertaining. I don't want an answer to why but do they eventually explain this all started in the books?
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: JediJman on May 27, 2012, 08:30 PM
Just watched the first 2 seasons for the first time over the past 2 weeks. Pretty entertaining. I don't want an answer to why but do they eventually explain this all started in the books?

No. This comes up once in a while in the letters page and it sounds like they have no interest in exploring that.  This story is all about what's next not what was.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: CloneF13Y35 on May 28, 2012, 05:02 PM
yeah it's kinda like Lost - don't worry about the broken foot of a huge statue that only has 4 toes, nor why the show lingered on it for so long ;)
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: evenflow on May 28, 2012, 11:55 PM
Just watched the first 2 seasons for the first time over the past 2 weeks. Pretty entertaining. I don't want an answer to why but do they eventually explain this all started in the books?

No. This comes up once in a while in the letters page and it sounds like they have no interest in exploring that.  This story is all about what's next not what was.

Thank you both for the info.   ;D
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: name on May 30, 2012, 12:40 PM
And so it begins..... (http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/05/26/11899538-report-miami-police-shoot-naked-man-chewing-on-victims-face)
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: iFett on May 30, 2012, 01:17 PM
Heard about that on the drive in this morning.  Guess the dude was on lsd....and I'm guessing he was watching this show or some other zombiefest.  I haven't seen pics (don't want to) but I guess the victim looked worse then the lady who got her face ripped off by her pet monkey.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Tracy on May 30, 2012, 01:20 PM
I thought of Hannibal Lecter before I thought of Walking Dead when I saw this...............
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: JediJman on May 31, 2012, 06:06 PM
Wow, this poor guy.  Great reasons to not be homeless or live in Miami.  By the way, it doesn't appear related to the Walking Dead or Hannibal - it's bath salts and a voodoo curse.  Seriously.

"Footage of the attack shows that homeless man Poppo was sleeping under the highway when naked Eugene, 31, pounced on him and started to eat his face. He then stripped off off Poppo's bottom clothes, straddles him and continued with his attack. Although a cop came by and told him to stop, Eugene simply growled at him with pieces of flesh in his mouth and continued to savage Poppo. It is believed that Rudy was high on bath salts leading to his psychotic behavior. But his girlfriend says he was a very sweet guy and believes there must have been a voodoo curse on him that drove him to commit such a heinous attack on another human being. "
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on May 31, 2012, 10:49 PM
Bath salts are a helluva drug.

 ::)
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Tracy on June 1, 2012, 09:16 AM
Bath salts are a helluva drug.

 ::)

Actually, they are a serious hallucinagen.  I recently watched an episode of Intervention on A&E where the man was addicted to bath salts - it was the first time I had ever heard of it.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: CloneF13Y35 on June 1, 2012, 11:30 AM
All the same, I'll get to work on my bodyarmor and collection of knives, stakes, swords. hammers and slingblades just in case ;)
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Tracy on June 21, 2012, 02:52 PM
FYI - I just found Season 1 at Redbox.  Got it home and thought it only had the last two episodes - turns out it is a double-sided disc ???

AMC is doing a marathon of Seasons 1 and 2 with a preview of Season 3 July 7-8th.  Would love to catch the first 1/2  of Season 2 again.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: name on June 22, 2012, 09:34 AM
All the same, I'll get to work on my bodyarmor and collection of knives, stakes, swords. hammers and slingblades just in case ;)

Some folks call it a sling blade, I call it a kaiser blade, mm hmm.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Tracy on June 22, 2012, 02:10 PM
All the same, I'll get to work on my bodyarmor and collection of knives, stakes, swords. hammers and slingblades just in case ;)

Some folks call it a sling blade, I call it a kaiser blade, mm hmm.

He should know - he studied on it. Studied on it quite a bit.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: CloneF13Y35 on June 23, 2012, 08:22 PM
hahaha, truely funny stuff. seems like they are almost done with the third episode and getting ready to film in Senoia, Ga doubling as the town the Gov,na rules!
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: iFett on June 25, 2012, 01:44 PM
Couldn't sleep last night so watched the Mist and it had the actors that played Andrea, Carol and Dale in it.  The movie kinda sucked except for the ending, but ya...good trivia question?  ya no.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: JediJman on June 25, 2012, 02:42 PM
Couldn't sleep last night so watched the Mist and it had the actors that played Andrea, Carol and Dale in it.  The movie kinda sucked except for the ending, but ya...good trivia question?  ya no.

Funny.  I watched that few weeks back and I thought the whole movie was good except for the ending!  I definitely wouldn't have gone out that way.  It was cool to see some of the same WD characters though.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: iFett on June 25, 2012, 03:34 PM
Of course the ending was a terrible situation, but I never saw that coming so that is why I liked it.  It was just a movie....but ya I agree it was nice to see some of the gang together outside of the dead.   ;)
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Greg on June 25, 2012, 05:11 PM
I really enjoyed The Mist, and the ending might have been my favorite part... definitely an "oh ****" kind of moment. And here's an additional bit of info: Sam Witwer, who was in The Mist and did voice work for various Star Wars projects, played the "tank zombie" in the first episode of TWD.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on June 26, 2012, 09:40 AM
Ugh, the ending of The Mist was appalling and repulsive in my opinion. I guarantee you whatever sorry jagoff wrote that did not have kids. It just came off as cheap and contrived to me. NOTHING like the way WD handled the Sophia storyline.

I did enjoy the shooting of that whackjob woman that kept making trouble though.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: name on June 26, 2012, 10:39 AM
Speaking of timelines....what really bothered me last night was the neighborhood that they went to.

Corpses had been in the garage long enough to rot down to skeletons, but the grass was all mowed and trimmed.

Do zombies landscape?

Friends visiting family in Senoia, GA posted pictures of signs that are up all over town that read "Stalwart Films, LLC thanks the City of Senoia for NOT mowing their grass."
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Aucassin on June 27, 2012, 12:47 AM
Ugh, the ending of The Mist was appalling and repulsive in my opinion. I guarantee you whatever sorry jagoff wrote that did not have kids. It just came off as cheap and contrived to me. NOTHING like the way WD handled the Sophia storyline.

The Mist's screenplay was adapted from Stephen King's novel by Frank Darabont, former executive producer of The Walking Dead.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: CloneF13Y35 on July 1, 2012, 11:35 AM
oh the mist was on syfy last weekend and I caught different parts of it several times, enough to see all the WD cast members.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: JediJman on July 3, 2012, 11:18 AM
If you're looking for something to do while waiting for the WD, check out the comics.  They are fast approaching issue 100 and getting back to some bigtime action in the storyline after a pretty long hiatus. 

I'm also reading World War Z.  It's written somewhat documentary style while a bunch of different interviews telling the big picture story.  Took me a while to get used to the format, but they can cover a lot more ground that way.  All kinds of pretty interesting info on how "Zack" (Code word for the undead) was able to take over most of the world and how it spread so fast.  In this version you do have to get infected like a virus - those who die in other ways don't come back. 

The book shows why the military was mostly ineffective, what happened in many different countries, how people survived, and the changed world post apocalypse.  A lot of the stuff we have talked about in this thread is in there, like going back to castles/walls, using makeshift swords/sheilds, using the colder weather to freeze Zack.  Its also an interesting perspective on how the living react - how they can be just as dangerous or more than the undead. They cover all the misinformation that gets people killed and something called a Quisling - people who snap and start acting like Zombies, further driving misinformation for the survivors.  Good stuff.

My only complaint is that there really isn't a main character to follow yet outside of the interviewer - just a lot of seperate stories from survivors, some more interesting than others.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: name on July 3, 2012, 11:48 AM
Miami, Florida (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/09/rudy-eugene-autopsy-no-human-flesh-stomach-pills-miami_n_1583320.html)


Palmetto, Florida (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/21/charles-baker-got-naked-ate-flesh-of-jeffery-blake_n_1615800.html)


Maryland (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/01/alexander-kinyua-ate-kujoe-agyei-kodie-cannibalism-facebook-maryland_n_1563586.html#slide=1126505)

Utica, NY (http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/06/25/high-on-bath-salts-new-york-woman-says-want-to-kill-someone-and-eat-them/)

China (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/chinese-cannibal-attack-caught-on-video-as-drunken-bus-driver-chews-off-womans-face-7903914.html)


This ****'s getting real.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: JediJman on July 3, 2012, 02:24 PM
Just the same way it starts in the book....
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Chris M on July 3, 2012, 03:43 PM
Looks like its about time to buy another pistol and Ar15.

I read this somewhere, "The hardest part of the zombie apocalypse will be pretending I'm not excited."
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Sybeck1 on July 4, 2012, 09:12 AM
Can't wait to see them take the prison!!

http://insidetv.ew.com/2012/07/02/walking-dead-prison-season-3-photos/

(http://ewinsidetv.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/the-walking-dead-exclusive-1_510.jpg)

(http://ewinsidetv.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/the-walking-dead-exclusive-2_510.jpg)
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on July 4, 2012, 05:33 PM
Freaking awesome!

All new Talking Dead Live Sunday night with Previews of Season 3, followed by the original pilot airing in B&W.

I'm there.

 8)
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Ghost of QG on July 4, 2012, 07:55 PM
DISH is killing me. Better have this straightened out by the start of Season 3 or I'm out...
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Greg on July 5, 2012, 03:17 PM
DISH is killing me. Better have this straightened out by the start of Season 3 or I'm out...

I feel your pain. I would be looking into other providers but they all seem to have these disputes with one network or another various times. At this point I'm more inclined to just drop cable/satellite altogether, and just stick to Netflix/online streaming as well as DVD/Bluray.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: name on July 6, 2012, 09:09 AM


(http://ewinsidetv.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/the-walking-dead-exclusive-2_510.jpg)

That is the second hottest thing I've seen today.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: CloneF13Y35 on July 6, 2012, 09:30 PM
Ah there's my dream girl, the lovely Lauren Cohan, she cleans up real well! She can stomp my zombie anytime she wants!
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on July 6, 2012, 09:39 PM
Never thought of calling it "my zombie" but I may start now.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Ghost of QG on July 6, 2012, 10:28 PM


(http://ewinsidetv.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/the-walking-dead-exclusive-2_510.jpg)

That is the second hottest thing I've seen today.

What was the first?
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: iFett on July 6, 2012, 10:41 PM
**** ya!  My contract with directv is over in September so guessing I'm sol for the next season.   :'(  How can you not love that face and stuff though!?
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: CloneF13Y35 on July 7, 2012, 12:54 AM
**** ya!  My contract with directv is over in September so guessing I'm sol for the next season.   :'(  How can you not love that face and stuff though!?

next season of the walking dead starts in October, so maybe not
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: JediJman on July 7, 2012, 09:26 AM
I finished up World War Z this weekend.  I can see why they're searching for a more exciting ending, but it was a pretty good book over all.  Definitely addresses a lot of questions that crossed my mind from storylines like TWD.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Tracy on July 7, 2012, 10:10 AM
Never thought of calling it "my zombie" but I may start now.

I'd be careful about that if I were you.  Though the idea of it wandering around mindlessly with the sole purpose of it finding one thing rings true - I don't know that you would want to compare "your zombie" to something that walks around limp with its head drooping to the side all of the time  ;)
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Master_Phruby on July 7, 2012, 02:44 PM
It seems there is a group of people that want to take about 200 aches of abandoned Detroit and turn it into Zombie land! The idea is that guests would spend the night hiding from zombies in the abandoned warehouses, stores and homes and try to survive the night. Zombie actors would hunt down the guests. If the Zombies catch the guest, they become zombies too.

(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/07/03/article-2168161-13E7FE39000005DC-743_634x436.jpg)

http://www.tgdaily.com/games-and-entertainment-brief/64474-detroit-eyed-for-zombie-theme-park (http://www.tgdaily.com/games-and-entertainment-brief/64474-detroit-eyed-for-zombie-theme-park)
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: CloneF13Y35 on July 7, 2012, 04:21 PM
Never thought of calling it "my zombie" but I may start now.

I'd be careful about that if I were you.  Though the idea of it wandering around mindlessly with the sole purpose of it finding one thing rings true - I don't know that you would want to compare "your zombie" to something that walks around limp with its head drooping to the side all of the time  ;)

"Dead man walking" has new meaning now lol
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on July 7, 2012, 05:50 PM
Never thought of calling it "my zombie" but I may start now.

I'd be careful about that if I were you.  Though the idea of it wandering around mindlessly with the sole purpose of it finding one thing rings true - I don't know that you would want to compare "your zombie" to something that walks around limp with its head drooping to the side all of the time  ;)

True...  Though zombies obviously have some stiffness to them too.  :-X  Rigor mortis and all.

Dunno what to say about the possible smell though.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: CloneF13Y35 on July 8, 2012, 10:56 AM
Day two of the walking marathon on AMC starts at 11:30 this morning. I really enjoyed seeing all of season 1 since I hadn't really watched it all the way through before.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: iFett on July 8, 2012, 08:23 PM
I think I overdosed on this show.  Seriously spent the entire day watching it.  Looking forward to the Talking Dead after the show though...and the black and white pilot.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: JediJman on July 8, 2012, 10:16 PM
Day two of the walking marathon on AMC starts at 11:30 this morning. I really enjoyed seeing all of season 1 since I hadn't really watched it all the way through before.

Thanks for the tip on this.  I tried to get my TiVo hooked up in time to record it, but I think I need a cable card for DirecTV.  Argh.  If anyone sees any other WD marathons on the horizon, please let me know.  Next time I will be prepared!
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt on July 8, 2012, 11:31 PM
Though zombies obviously have some stiffness to them too.  :-X  Rigor mortis and all.

Rigor mortis goes away after a couple of days. . .   ::)

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In humans, it commences after about three to four hours, reaches maximum stiffness after 12 hours, and gradually dissipates until approximately 48 to 60 hours after death.

(http://i.imgur.com/KPRV6.gif)
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt_Fury on July 8, 2012, 11:49 PM
Day two of the walking marathon on AMC starts at 11:30 this morning. I really enjoyed seeing all of season 1 since I hadn't really watched it all the way through before.

Thanks for the tip on this.  I tried to get my TiVo hooked up in time to record it, but I think I need a cable card for DirecTV.  Argh.  If anyone sees any other WD marathons on the horizon, please let me know.  Next time I will be prepared!

Do you have Netflix streaming or Amazon's online service?  I think they both have Walking Dead available.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: CloneF13Y35 on July 8, 2012, 11:50 PM
Day two of the walking marathon on AMC starts at 11:30 this morning. I really enjoyed seeing all of season 1 since I hadn't really watched it all the way through before.

Thanks for the tip on this.  I tried to get my TiVo hooked up in time to record it, but I think I need a cable card for DirecTV.  Argh.  If anyone sees any other WD marathons on the horizon, please let me know.  Next time I will be prepared!

No problem, hopefully they'll at least do another season 2 marathon in Oct. before the new season starts. I think they did this one because of SDCC next weekend where the cast and creator and producers will be there to promote it.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: JediJman on July 9, 2012, 01:01 AM
I have Netflix DVD and didn't have AMC prior to a week ago.  I'm staying with relatives for a few months and they have DirecTV & AMC (for all the good it does me now).  I'll probably just pick up the discs when they come out, but to date I have not seen a minute of Season 2.   :'(
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on July 9, 2012, 11:17 AM
So much awesomeness last night...very disappointed we are so far off from the Season 3 premiere.

I sort of dazed in and out of the Talking Dead show last night. That Drew Carey idiot practically ruined the whole thing. Always good to hear Bob and Gale Ann dish though.

Some stuff I was able to glean:

Merle is coming back!!!
Life size Michonne statue @ SDCC! Have your picture taken as Pet #2!
Haven't forgotten about the helicopter or the dude and his son from Season One.

Blanking on the rest...
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on July 9, 2012, 11:17 AM
Though zombies obviously have some stiffness to them too.  :-X  Rigor mortis and all.

Rigor mortis goes away after a couple of days. . .   ::)

Nah, all I need's a couple minutes.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Master_Phruby on July 9, 2012, 11:20 AM
So I hear that during Comic-con, you can pay $75 to be chased by zombies at the Petco park across the street at night. It's called The Walking Dead Escape.

http://www.comicsalliance.com/2012/05/21/the-walking-dead-escape-obstacle-course-comic-con/ (http://www.comicsalliance.com/2012/05/21/the-walking-dead-escape-obstacle-course-comic-con/)
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on July 9, 2012, 11:23 AM
So I hear that during Comic-con, you can pay $75 to be chased by zombies at the Petco park across the street at night. It's called The Walking Dead Escape.

http://www.comicsalliance.com/2012/05/21/the-walking-dead-escape-obstacle-course-comic-con/ (http://www.comicsalliance.com/2012/05/21/the-walking-dead-escape-obstacle-course-comic-con/)

Yes, if you complete the obstacle course you get the SDCC exclusive Walking Dead 100 variant comic.

Estimated time waiting in line for this event: 4.6 hours  ::)
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Master_Phruby on July 9, 2012, 01:43 PM
Comic book scalper on ebay:  You would not believe what I had to do to get this exclusive comic book. I had to wait 4 hours in line and then got chased by zombies all over a baseball field. I could have been eat'n man! I risked my life for this book!

Price $200
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: JediJman on July 9, 2012, 01:51 PM
Comic book scalper on ebay:  You would not believe what I had to do to get this exclusive comic book. I had to wait 4 hours in line and then got chased by zombies all over a baseball field. I could have been eat'n man! I risked my life for this book!

Price $200

Funny stuff.  Luckily, I've never been much for paying extra based on the cover alone.  I would love to go check out a Zombie park though....
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: iFett on July 9, 2012, 02:07 PM
The Walking Dead video game they were promoting during commercials looked kinda meh, but a zombie park would be rad...
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt on July 10, 2012, 10:24 AM
The Walking Dead video game they were promoting during commercials looked kinda meh

Have you played it yet?  I played the demo of the first episode and liked it quite a bit, and I usually don't like those types of games.  The reviews for the first two episodes have been pretty positive.  Once all five episodes are out, I'm buying.

And for those that missed it, they also announced a new Walking Dead game last week.  It's an FPS based on the show, revolving around the Dixon brothers making their way toward Atlanta.  Due out sometime next year.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: GrandMoffNick on July 10, 2012, 10:29 AM
I played the first episode and really liked it. I want to know where the story goes.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Force Guy on July 12, 2012, 06:46 PM
And for those that missed it, they also announced a new Walking Dead game last week.  It's an FPS based on the show, revolving around the Dixon brothers making their way toward Atlanta.  Due out sometime next year.

I wonder if the Dixon brothers will speak during the game, and if so, I wonder if Merle will utter racial epithets?
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: CloneF13Y35 on July 12, 2012, 08:13 PM
read a spoiler review of the big 100th issues of the walking dead comic, which is causing quite a stir amongst twd fans regarding who gets killed off...Glenn...gets their brains bashed in.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: iFett on July 12, 2012, 10:11 PM
read a spoiler review of the big 100th issues of the walking dead comic, which is causing quite a stir amongst twd fans regarding who gets killed off...Glenn...gets their brains bashed in.

Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!  He will be missed if that's true...

Guess that's okay since I won't see the next season until it's on dvd.  Anybody at SDCC wanna take a pic of yourself with Michonne and one of her pets?
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on July 12, 2012, 10:18 PM
They are at least 3-4 seasons ahead of where the show is by now, so nothing is happening to anyone anytime soon. Then again, the two are not mirror images and have diverged significantly up to now, and I expect will continue to do so. So who knows?  ;)

Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: CloneF13Y35 on July 13, 2012, 11:25 AM
yeah I had to console a few 'Gleggie - Glen-Maggie' fans about that reminding them the tv show is so far behind the comics, they could go another 2 -3 years/seasons before reaching the same point as the 100th issue. I still think after watching the marathon last weekend the reason they stayed so long on the Farm was due to the changes they made, keeping shane around when he died earlier in the comics and by having Sophia getting lost and ending up a walker, she's still alive in the comics as well as Dale. I also think they felt a need to balance the dysfunctional rick-lori-shane triangle (since shane was still around) by developing the Maggie-glenn story; plus throw in Daryl who isn't even IN the comics at all and THREE episodes dealing with Randal before the zombie attack on the farm.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: JediJman on July 13, 2012, 02:08 PM
I still think after watching the marathon last weekend the reason they stayed so long on the Farm was due to the changes they made, keeping shane around when he died earlier in the comics and by having Sophia getting lost and ending up a walker, she's still alive in the comics as well as Dale.

Not sure where you are in the comic series, but Dale died a while ago.  He was killed in the "Hunters" storyline...

Sad news about G, but I knew they were going to get rid of someone big.  Kirkman has said this is "Rick's story," so you know it isn't him.  Andrea's too interesting/useful and Michonne is too big a fan favorite.  That doesn't leave them with too many other big names, so G was a pretty likely choice.  I'm always a little bummed when a good character dies in WD, but it is a Zombie story and they have to keep it high stakes to keep it interesting.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: CloneF13Y35 on July 13, 2012, 06:33 PM
I still think after watching the marathon last weekend the reason they stayed so long on the Farm was due to the changes they made, keeping shane around when he died earlier in the comics and by having Sophia getting lost and ending up a walker, she's still alive in the comics as well as Dale.

Not sure where you are in the comic series, but Dale died a while ago.  He was killed in the "Hunters" storyline...

Sad news about G, but I knew they were going to get rid of someone big.  Kirkman has said this is "Rick's story," so you know it isn't him.  Andrea's too interesting/useful and Michonne is too big a fan favorite.  That doesn't leave them with too many other big names, so G was a pretty likely choice.  I'm always a little bummed when a good character dies in WD, but it is a Zombie story and they have to keep it high stakes to keep it interesting.

well I've pretty much read through all the trade paperbacks at B&N since I'm outta work so I just read them while I'm there; I must have missed where Dale got killed. So eventhough the comic and tv series are going in slightly different directions, it still follows the same overall path. I'm looking forward to season 3 to see how they portray all the brutality on the show that's in the comics.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Master_Phruby on July 17, 2012, 10:47 AM
A full video walkthru runthru of the Walking Dead Escape that was run at Petco Park during ComicCon has been posted. You run thru multiple obsticle courses while dodging zombies. It's about a half hour.

http://www.insidethemagic.net/2012/07/inside-the-walking-dead-escape-unleashing-zombies-on-san-diego-comic-con-with-gruesome-grueling-experience/ (http://www.insidethemagic.net/2012/07/inside-the-walking-dead-escape-unleashing-zombies-on-san-diego-comic-con-with-gruesome-grueling-experience/)
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: JediJman on July 19, 2012, 11:44 PM
FINALLY got Comcast hooked up and now have access to AMC!  Does anyone know if they reply Walking Dead episodes?  I missed all of Season 2 and want to get caught up.  I know they had a marathon a few weeks back - anyone know if they have another on the way?  I thought someone said Comcast had this On Demand as well, but I don't see it under TV series.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: CloneF13Y35 on July 20, 2012, 09:53 AM
FINALLY got Comcast hooked up and now have access to AMC!  Does anyone know if they reply Walking Dead episodes?  I missed all of Season 2 and want to get caught up.  I know they had a marathon a few weeks back - anyone know if they have another on the way?  I thought someone said Comcast had this On Demand as well, but I don't see it under TV series.

not really sure, but I would hope AMC at least runs another marathon in Oct before season 3 starts Oct 24. Season 1 dvd is out now and season 2 comes out in early/mid Oct as well.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Tracy on July 20, 2012, 12:11 PM
FINALLY got Comcast hooked up and now have access to AMC!  Does anyone know if they reply Walking Dead episodes?  I missed all of Season 2 and want to get caught up.  I know they had a marathon a few weeks back - anyone know if they have another on the way?  I thought someone said Comcast had this On Demand as well, but I don't see it under TV series.

not really sure, but I would hope AMC at least runs another marathon in Oct before season 3 starts Oct 24. Season 1 dvd is out now and season 2 comes out in early/mid Oct as well.

Season 2 DVD is set to release August 28th.  If AMC sticks to their usual patterns with their other series, they should run a marathon before Season 3 starts back up.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: JediJman on July 20, 2012, 12:23 PM
Thanks!  I was hoping to catch up sooner, but I guess I've waited this long...
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Force Guy on August 18, 2012, 05:39 PM
With the DVD release of Season 2 coming up next Tuesday, who (Target, Walmart, FYE, etc.) is offering what in terms of promo/bonus stuff (poster, collector card, zombie pencil sharpener, etc.) with the a purchase?  Virex?   
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: JediJman on August 18, 2012, 05:56 PM
Along those lines, does anyone know if there will be a combo Season 1 and 2 box set?
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: CloneF13Y35 on August 18, 2012, 08:08 PM
no idea on either of those questions, best thing to do is check each retailer's website for specific details.  And rejoice for they have finished the first half finale recently; soon to begin on the second half of season 3.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Qui-Gon Jim on August 21, 2012, 04:12 PM
I finished reading through to issue 100 of the comics, and I liked it a lot.  Certainly many "Holy s#it!" moments in it.  I can't wait to see the TV version of The Governor.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on August 28, 2012, 11:27 AM
File this under "Life Imitating Art":

Hershel was recently arrested for DUI in GA.  :(

Let Maggie be the designated driver next time!
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: CloneF13Y35 on August 28, 2012, 08:37 PM
File this under "Life Imitating Art":

Hershel was recently arrested for DUI in GA.  :(

Let Maggie be the designated driver next time!

Ha haha funny man! ;D
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: JediJman on September 3, 2012, 12:03 AM
Did anyone hear about any special offers for the DVD release last week?  I can't seem to find anything beyond the special edition zombie-screwdriver box set.  I didn't buy Season 1 yet, so was hoping to find a box set including both seasons for a good price.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Diddly on September 3, 2012, 08:21 AM
Did anyone hear about any special offers for the DVD release last week?  I can't seem to find anything beyond the special edition zombie-screwdriver box set.  I didn't buy Season 1 yet, so was hoping to find a box set including both seasons for a good price.

None of my local stores even had the set on sale, much less any extras. Cheapest price I saw was at Wal-Mart for $38, Best Buy was $45 and Target $50. And none had the Zombie Head set.

Best Buy did have the special edition of Season 1 on sale for $30 though, but that's it.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Force Guy on September 3, 2012, 10:28 AM
I ended up buying Season 2 on Blu-Ray at Best Buy for $29.99.  They had a couple of Zombie Heads for $69.99.  I'm glad they included the Webisodes on this set.  The deleted scenes are cool, and I feel they should have left in the scene that takes place right after they leave the CDC and head towards the lair of the Vatos. 
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: evenflow on September 3, 2012, 10:47 PM
I bought the zombie head on Amazon, smaller than i had expected but cool enough.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: JediJman on September 29, 2012, 10:15 AM
There are a few Ebay BIN auctions for S2 at just $15 with Free Shipping if anyone is still looking for these.  I was waiting to snag one for about $25-30 on Amazon, but came across these last night.  Score!
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Tracy on October 1, 2012, 11:50 AM
Season 2 is now available on Netflix
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on October 1, 2012, 09:35 PM
There's a new webisode up I guess... saw it on twitter this afternoon.  Gonna go look for it now.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: JediJman on October 1, 2012, 10:04 PM
There's a new webisode up I guess... saw it on twitter this afternoon.  Gonna go look for it now.

Are there multiple webisodes?  Who's in them?  Worth watching?
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on October 2, 2012, 09:51 PM
Last year they did one for the half-woman in the park, kind of explaining how she got there...  At least I THINK that was her IIRC.  This year's I haven't watched yet because I'm torn 30 directions anymore but they're basically little shorts, usually broken up into 4 episodes that create one long story that has little to do with the main characters.

More like, "And here's what was going on here!" kind of a thing.  They're pretty good quality...  Not as good as the show itself, but good.  Sometimes compelling ideas about people's decisions they'd have to make, or the conflicts that could arise for any given survivor just trying to make it to the next day.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: CloneF13Y35 on October 2, 2012, 10:27 PM
season 3 starts Oct 14 and from my tv guide, looks like there will another marathon for some or most of the day leading up to the premier at 9pm! Also, have any of you seen the star wars-walking dead mash up where the group have lightsabers?  some pretty cool designs out there!
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Chris M on October 3, 2012, 09:17 AM
This season's webisodes are pretty good. 

What's cool is although they are outside of the show's storyline, they still have a little tie in with the the main story.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: jedipurge on October 10, 2012, 07:10 PM
season 3 starts Oct 14 and from my tv guide, looks like there will another marathon for some or most of the day leading up to the premier at 9pm! Also, have any of you seen the star wars-walking dead mash up where the group have lightsabers?  some pretty cool designs out there!


wait a minute where'd u see that?
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: iFett on October 10, 2012, 07:24 PM
Sunday ?  acck! Glad I didn't tweak my direcTv contract yet!   :)
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on October 11, 2012, 06:18 PM
Wow, the premier came back around quicker than I thought it would. Excellence!

Hasta la vista, Family Guy....see you On-Demand.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: JediJman on October 12, 2012, 11:35 PM
Argh!  I got my Season 2 DVD, but have only made it through 3 episodes so far.  Definitely not enough time to catch up before Sunday.  I traded in my comcast box for a TiVo card, so don't have On Demand anymore.  We don't get AMC through Comcast, but I did see that Season 2 was On Demand when we first signed up.  We Century Link in another room of the house, but I have no way to record off that signal, so it's watch live or not at all.  Bugger!
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: iFett on October 14, 2012, 08:27 PM
30 minutes   8)
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Diddly on October 14, 2012, 11:35 PM
"Holy ****"
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Hemish on October 15, 2012, 08:57 AM
That was great, the walking through the prison was so tense
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Qui-Gon Jim on October 15, 2012, 09:11 AM
Wow.  So awesome.  I wasn't sure if they'd actually show a decapitation on TV, but they did not disappoint.  That actress IS Michonne. 
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Chris M on October 15, 2012, 09:34 AM
Great episode to start off the season.  It's a shame I have to wait until Sunday to see what's going to happen next.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: CloneF13Y35 on October 15, 2012, 09:39 AM
This was a great episode and a great start to the new season! I was impressed with the better writing, acting and FX, I'd read online accounts about how difficult the production tried to make the prison and interviews with various actors confirmed it was pretty rough. But the end result was a fun-filled thrill ride! And my favorite zombie stomping cyber GF is back in action!
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on October 15, 2012, 10:38 AM
Yeah, that was a really excellent debut, I was only bummed they didn't go for a two hour premier with limited commercial interruptions.

What I Loved:
ALL the zombie killing action...that is the amount of zombie killing that needs to happen every week!
Gas Mask Face-Off Zombie! (no question that gets made into an action figure)
Born-Again-Hard Rick dissing Lori
Carl dissing Lori
Rick hacking off Hershel's leg - that was epically brutal
Michonne!!!

What I didn't love so much:
Lori still being on alive, on the show, etc
Carl/Hershel's daughter burgeoning romance - blecchhh (age difference anyone?)
going through the cell blocks in the dark at the end there? What was the rush?


Not much to complain about, other than the usual. (LORI SUX)

I love how she is able to comprehend that Rick and Carl are mad at her, but she completely fails to grasp the actual reason why. It has nothing to do with her "putting the knife in Rick's hand" - it has everything to do with her reaction AFTER the fact. That she had the AUDACITY to get mad at Rick for doing something SHE SPECIFICALLY ASKED HIM TO DO!!! Damn right dude should be pissed. Carl is just taking his lead.

Those prisoners at the end are going to be fun to watch for the next few weeks.  ;)
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on October 15, 2012, 10:39 AM
ps - did you guys know you cannot get The Walking Dead with the Dish Network?

 ;D
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on October 15, 2012, 11:46 AM
What I didn't love so much:
Lori still being on alive, on the show, etc
Carl/Hershel's daughter burgeoning romance - blecchhh (age difference anyone?)
going through the cell blocks in the dark at the end there? What was the rush?

Carl just has a crush on whats-her-name. If it gets mutual...ick.

Yeah, the rush to secure the whole prison and doing stupid things. It's easy to second guess the characters after the fact, but the dark cell block mess seemed like a potential disaster from the get go...especially when you take the ONLY DOCTOR you have with you when your WIFE IS 9 MONTHS PREGGERS. No reason for Herschel to have gone with them on what amounted to a stumbling around in dark passage ways. And you'd think at this point they'd have learned to be suspicious of any corpse they haven't put down themselves, but success leads to carelessness

Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BillCable on October 15, 2012, 12:14 PM
I never like the "stealth" zombie thing.  If it's not up and moving then it shouldn't be reanimated.  They don't sleep or play dead.  Seems cheap to have a safe corpse attack.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: jedipurge on October 15, 2012, 12:38 PM
That was a beautiful episode.   >:D
Face coming off in gas mask, Hershel's leg lopped off.  Carnage at it's finest.

For the life of I don't know why they didn't just start banging pops n pans together to get the zombies attention and start poking them thru the fence like they already did and pretty successfully.  And another thing if the horde came to the farm because they heard Carl's gunshot why wouldn't they all start coming to the fence when they were picking them off in the field in the first place? 

Bill I agree with you on the "stealth" zombie thing that would almost suggest intelligence/strategie on the zombies part.

Another question in the beginning when they pan out of the zombie eye, how the h3ll can they even see, I know not all of them are like that but in that situation.

Another another question I can understand zombies surviving winter, cuz they're already dead whether they eat or not, but don't the bodies continue to decay and they should basically colapse on themselves as the muscle decays and bones turn brittle?     
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BillCable on October 15, 2012, 12:58 PM
There's no good scientific explanation on how zombies would survive.  I mean, the brain goes to mush way earlier than organs and muscle.

Here's a good analysis of what would really happen to the "walking dead"

http://www.cracked.com/article_18683_7-scientific-reasons-zombie-outbreak-would-fail-quickly.html

So unless the zombie germ instills some form of immunity & preservation to the dead bodies, they wouldn't get far.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: CHEWIE on October 15, 2012, 05:06 PM
I was wondering why in the hell Hershel was with the group as well - it made no sense.  It should have been Rick, Daryl, T-Dog and Glenn - and they should have tried to lure the zombies out instead... but hey, it's a TV show and even in real life, people do stupid things. 

As for Hershel's leg, I'm assuming he'll live... in the books, one guy who does get bit in the jail does die... but also, Dale (who died in Season 2) was bit later, and they cut off his leg, and he lives - so who knows.  I'm assuming Hershel hangs on for a while and gets a peg leg... but man that scene was brutal to say the least. I can't recall seeing anything like it on TV in my entire life.. and that chopping scene rivals, if not beats, anything I've seen in a movie.  Holy ****.

Overall, this episode was fantastic and one of the absolute best - and I like how it's been several months since Season 2 ended, with Lori about to pop, Carl growing up some, etc.  Can't wait for next week.  I'm really looking forward to it.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on October 16, 2012, 09:21 AM
If you think about it, if they are all already infected, why does it matter if you get bitten or not? As long as it's not a fatal wound, seems like you could just patch it up and you'd be good to go. Why does Rick have to cut the leg off? It's not like he's stopping the infection from spreading or anything.

I recall that guy from the first season was in a similar situation and quickly developed a fever, delerium, etc and went downhill fast from there. So maybe it does something to hasten the effect?

The whole morphology of the virus is a little confusing...wish they would spend more time on that aspect.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BillCable on October 16, 2012, 09:37 AM
I was thinking about this and figured there must be some toxin or bacteria in the saliva that causes infection then death.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Qui-Gon Jim on October 16, 2012, 11:18 AM
I think it is midichlorians.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: iFett on October 16, 2012, 11:54 AM
(http://aeryssports.com/the-pulse/files/2012/05/cooties.jpg)
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jedi Idej on October 16, 2012, 08:41 PM
Kinda like a komodo dragon's saliva. Gotta figure a decaying corpse will have all sorts of septic bacteria in its mouth. Could be that the non-fatal bite that eventually kills has nothing to do with the zombie pathogen.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: JediJman on October 16, 2012, 10:00 PM
I think they all are carriers, but the virus itself doesn't drive a change until you die.  Maybe it's a weak strain or antibodies fight it off.  But when someone with a full blown infection gets their fully activated virus into your bloodstream, it overwhelms your defenses and drives the change faster.  Like the CDC guy mentioned, the amount of time that passes before an infected person changes can vary widely.  That would seem to fit with stronger versus weaker immune systems or the amount of active virus that gets into an infected person's bloodstream.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: CloneF13Y35 on October 17, 2012, 09:45 AM
I think they all are carriers, but the virus itself doesn't drive a change until you die.  Maybe it's a weak strain or antibodies fight it off.  But when someone with a full blown infection gets their fully activated virus into your bloodstream, it overwhelms your defenses and drives the change faster.  Like the CDC guy mentioned, the amount of time that passes before an infected person changes can vary widely.  That would seem to fit with stronger versus weaker immune systems or the amount of active virus that gets into an infected person's bloodstream.

that's a really good theory, I've wondered that myself since kirkman has said he's not really going to address the cause of the zombie outbreak in the comics and they've taken that to the series as well.  while it would most def be good to get some kind of explanation, I don't see it happening. Either way, I'm along for the ride as long as it stays entertaining.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: JediJman on October 17, 2012, 02:36 PM
Thanks!   :D  Much as I want to know the cause, I hope they don't ever go there.  It seems pretty unlikely that a small band of survivors would be able to learn any more than what CDC guy was able to figure out with all of his research.  If they did somehow figure it out, I think it would seem somewhat forced and unbelievable at this point.  If they were going to cover it, they needed to do it right away. 

I do think they could come across some scientists or doctors who have a better understanding of how the infection/virus works.  Maybe one of the Governor's people? 

I'm still watching Season 2 on the farm and loving it.  I heard a lot of complaints that it was too slow, but watching on DVD the story seems to be progressing pretty well.  I like that some form of zombies show up at least once an episode.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: CHEWIE on October 17, 2012, 03:22 PM
Yeah, Season 2 was fine.  I don't think it was too slow at all.  It introduced a lot of character development, and really seemed well done to me.  The pace with some slowdowns is what makes this series a little more realistic (as silly as that sounds).  Because this isn't supposed to be a Left 4 Dead video game, it's about how survivors react to the situations, turn on each other, do whatever it takes to protect their family, etc. 
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Sybeck1 on October 17, 2012, 07:25 PM
A bite is fatal and death causes zombication. I guess cutting the leg off stops the infection from getting to the brain.

It is really amazing how strong a bite from a dead person is, I mean it can go through a trouser leg or anything. It seems the ligaments to the jawbone would be so decayed it would fall off. Creative license perhaps? Like when one ripped Dale's stomach open. Would decayed hands be that strong. Oh, well it is great entertainment.

Herschel is seventy. It seems they would keep him back for shooting and not melee fighting. We have a death coming up according to the grave in the preview. I say it will not be Herschel, but I go into the Death Pool that it will be the little blonde parakeet next.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on October 17, 2012, 08:20 PM
Dale's stomach thing was brought up and the producers said they can rip you apart due to their fingers being worn down to sort of claws...  if that helps explain it.  *shrug*

I agree with CHEWIE, etc., that Season 2 was fine IMO...  To me this isn't the Dawn of the Dead remake...  this isn't about Zombie massacres IMO.  It's about story and plot.  I was fine with Season 2.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: iFett on October 18, 2012, 01:46 PM
From FB:

3. season premiere: 10.9 million total viewer
2. season finale: 9 million total viewer
2. mid-season premiere: 8.1 million total viewer
2. season premiere: 7.3 million total viewer
2. mid-season finale: 6.6 million total viewer
1. season finale: 6 million total viewer
1. season premiere: 5.4 million total viewer
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on October 18, 2012, 06:34 PM
The season 3 premiere did even better than that...  It had like 16 million if you counted those that watched the 2nd airing immediately after the first.  It's insane numbers for cable, or so I'm told.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BillCable on October 18, 2012, 07:06 PM
Highest rated show ages 18-49 on any network (http://www.deadline.com/2012/10/the-walking-dead-return-shatters-more-basic-cable-ratings-records/)

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The Walking Dead’s Season 3 opener now ranks as the most-watched drama telecast in basic cable history.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Chris M on October 19, 2012, 07:14 AM
If these ratings hold, I wonder if it would warrant a full 20-24 episode season 4?
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on October 19, 2012, 08:56 AM
The most interesting thing about those numbers to me is the fact the despite the startling success, none of the major networks have tried to blatantly rip this show off yet. That is incredible, given how stupid and uncreative network programming is. It's like they're all just conceding that they can't do anything remotely that good so why even try?

And they'd be right too.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BillCable on October 19, 2012, 09:42 AM
Revolution has the post-apocalyptic, family trying to survive thing going on.  That's probably the closest copy-cat.  Even if it looked very g-rated silly in the promos.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jeff on October 19, 2012, 09:47 AM
The CW tried out a zombie drama pilot (http://www.deadline.com/2011/01/cw-makes-last-minute-spec-buy-with-zombie-drama-from-canadian-writers/) last fall, but ultimately passed on it.  Like Bill said, the networks would be too limited in the gore/violence they could show to really copy the show too closely.

I coudl see someone like Showtime/Starz taking a whack at it though if the popularity holds out...
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BillCable on October 19, 2012, 10:14 AM
I've been reading some interesting stuff about that.  The FCC only can censor for nudity/sex/profanity - not gore.  So in theory the networks could air the Walking Dead if they wanted.  They just don't have the balls, yet.  But given the ratings and accolades for shows like WD and Game of Thrones, they probably will step up eventually.  I do recall quite a few gory moments from Heroes.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on October 19, 2012, 11:28 AM
Revolution has the post-apocalyptic, family trying to survive thing going on.  That's probably the closest copy-cat.  Even if it looked very g-rated silly in the promos.

Yeah, that seemed like an obvious copycat to me too, but of The Hunger Games. (Tween girl with bow and arrow, how original)

I agree there was a good bit of gore in Heroes.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on October 19, 2012, 12:04 PM
There was Gore in Futurama, too.  ;)
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BillCable on October 19, 2012, 12:29 PM
Well yeah... there is some gore that isn't suitable for broadcast TV...
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: JediJman on October 19, 2012, 11:22 PM
I really can't see the gore as an issue given some of what I've seen on things like CSI and copycat crime shows.  Heck, some of the murder mystery stuff from 20-20 is pretty awful and that's based in realty.  Shows like Supernatural and Grimm have had some shocking material as well.  I think  WD stands out because of the character development - that's what other shows seem to struggle to replicate.  I'm looking at you Revolution.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BrentS on October 21, 2012, 01:08 PM
Well, I bit the bullet and watched the first episode of The Walking Dead on Netflix yesterday. I've resisted thus far as I'm not really a "zombie guy". I also don't usually enjoy watching movies about people suffering (I'm much more of a campy feel good kind of guy) which I think this show will be about.

However, too many people keep raving about this show. I liked the first episode but I'm not sure if I'm hooked. I will watch through Season 1 before I make up my mind  ;)
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Angry Ewok on October 21, 2012, 11:01 PM
Just watched Episode 1 and 2... Not bad.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Diddly on October 21, 2012, 11:35 PM
ZOMBIE PANTIES
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on October 22, 2012, 03:01 AM
Yeah, the grossest thing of the night was a slight shot of zombie panties.  Crazy stuff.

I wonder why Glenn, instead of popping the 7 or so at the fence, decides instead to draw them away...  Stick 'em and be done with it.

I'm going to say right now that I don't believe those silencers would work either.  I want to see those actually physically explained because I just don't see that working out like that.

I was quite pleased with Rick's decision on their new friends.  I enjoyed watching that.  I think that would've happened long before the point it did if I was in that situation.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Angry Ewok on October 22, 2012, 07:39 AM
I'm going to say right now that I don't believe those silencers would work either.  I want to see those actually physically explained because I just don't see that working out like that.

I missed the part where they found the suppressors but I'm not going to lie that when they busted in the door popping off silenced shots the gun nut in me wanted to puke.

My favorite part was the riot gear zombies.

The survivors should find more of those shields and start forming a testudo.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Sybeck1 on October 22, 2012, 08:36 AM
Doesn't it seem a deputy sherriff would know where a prison is? Let alone not have such a big landmark on the map they have. Anyway I believe Carol watcher is another prisoner. We saw see.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: evenflow on October 22, 2012, 09:27 AM
Thought it was a filler episode to be honest. Wasn't that great. I am going with Merryl as the watcher.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on October 22, 2012, 09:40 AM
Good stuff, again. LOVED the machete to the head. But yeah, they should have just executed them all on the spot. Born-again-hard Rick should have seen that coming a mile away.

At least they let the weasely little white guy live. Nothing to worry about with that dude, I'm sure.  :-X

Don't get Carol's sense of urgency about the cadaver practice. That's more important than Glenn watching Hersel? please.

Glad he did not die zombify or die outright. Good luck finding those crutches though.

Carol-watcher will have to be someone from the Governor's camp. Otherwise how will they ever meet up? Andrea sure isn't going to tip them off.

As much as I enjoy seeing Lori get psychologically b*tch-slapped by Rick, those scenes are hard to watch. Ugh. It's going to be all season with those two too.

Just cannot wait to see bayonet-hand Merle next week! That looks like an incredibly awesome episode!
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on October 22, 2012, 11:20 AM
I'd have told the cons to get hell out and don't come back (maybe even lie to them and tell them Atlanta is safe). The "clear a cell block for you" was totally stupid. I'm not Rick, though. I tought he was harsh to let Andrew the baseball bat con get eaten, tough he was probably still a threat as long as he's around. The two remaining, not sure what's gonna happen there, maybe some false direction...the squirrely white guy will be trouble and the quieter tough looking guy be decent.

Also, 5 guys who were stuck in cafeteria for better part of a year would be near crazy, I'd think. I'm not sure why any of them would want to stay in prison. They damn sure would not be so neat looking...was the barber shop in there, too?
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BillCable on October 22, 2012, 11:38 AM
Dude's beard was exceptionally well-groomed.  Maybe that's what they did to keep busy.   ;D

I think Rick still tries to be fundamentally decent until such time as he deems it unwise or unsafe.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Greg on October 22, 2012, 11:42 AM
Terrific episode. I liked that the pacing did not let up at all. Rick dealing with the prisoners was top-notch, and I felt it was a defining moment for the character and the show. I look forward to seeing what develops with the other two prisoners... I'm hoping Axel (white guy) stays true to the comics but I'm also prepared for changes, as I always am at this point.

Also, 5 guys who were stuck in cafeteria for better part of a year would be near crazy, I'd think. I'm not sure why any of them would want to stay in prison. They damn sure would not be so neat looking...was the barber shop in there, too?

I feel like normal people getting forced into that situation (staying in 1 room w/ four others) would go crazy, but those guys were in prison. They were probably well acquainted to sharing confined spaces with others for long periods of time. And as for grooming, if they made this work:

(http://www.unitedprison.com/images/shopcart/image_35.jpg)

I'm sure they did just fine using pots and pans as mirrors and cutlery to shave.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Angry Ewok on October 22, 2012, 01:39 PM
It was hilarious when the convicts went shanking at the zombies and Rick told 'em that prison **** didn't work on undead. My guess is the two remaining bad guys are never seen from again, or they're quick redshirts for next episode.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: CHEWIE on October 22, 2012, 02:12 PM
I hope they follow along with the comics for the remaining convicts, at least for the most part.  I also kind of wish the "non violent criminal" guy was among them, guess they decided not to go that route like in the comics.  Makes sense though, because with the show, there's less of Hershel's family around... and it's completely different with Andrea being separate from the group, looks like she'll be the one at Woodbury instead of certain other individuals like in the comic. Who knows though.  This is really a fun ride and I'm glad they don't follow the comics 100%, otherwise there would be no surprises for people like me.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: iFett on October 22, 2012, 02:38 PM
I actually live in Woodbury.....MN   8)
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on October 22, 2012, 02:42 PM
I liked the episode...  I didn't consider it fluff really, but character development for Rick/Darryl's relationship some, and how the "fight the dead, fear the living" motto is a major point of this season.

Carol Watcher was weird...  I was thinking from the town or something too, but I'm thinking a loose prisoner, even worse than the dude we saw dealt with, is out there.

I'd kind of liked to have seen some of the prisoners accepted and become useful people.  Big Tiny especially.  Big dude would've been a big help if you're using ancient military tactics.

Brad, I couldn't agree more on riot shields...  You can't deny, it works.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: CHEWIE on October 22, 2012, 05:28 PM
I agree Jesse, this wasn't a fluff episode.   If all this show consisted of was killing zombies, it would get old fast.  Instead, they pace it and throw some action in here and there, making the action scenes all the more exciting.

As for the prisoners, I think there's a good chance we'll see some usefullness out of at least one of them.  And I was pulling for the big black dude to become part of the team - seemed like a cool guy, and strong as a mammoth.  What a shame...
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: CloneF13Y35 on October 22, 2012, 07:37 PM
I picked up the first issue of the official walking dead magazine today, they explain how they are going to veer the tv show in a slightly different direction than the comics. I thought this was another good episode, and I loved how Rick just went batfart crazy on Thomas and chased the other guy, though I wondered what if he got lost in doing so but he made it back without a problem. Now the part with Carl who showed up with a duffel bag full of medical supplies only to have non-observant mommy chastise him for doing so just pushed them further apart. I was glad they didn't have poor old Hershel zombie up this episode so hopefully he'll stick around in a good way for a while.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on October 22, 2012, 07:39 PM
Other possible Carol Watcher, and I didn't even think about this, is Merl...  I'm shocked this isn't the first thing I thought about.  He's out there.  He's creepy.  He'd recognize Carol I imagine, and not want to just go up to her.  I'm now going Merl with this one.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Angry Ewok on October 22, 2012, 08:17 PM
Brad, I couldn't agree more on riot shields...  You can't deny, it works.

Obviously there's no history buff nerd in the group. Testudo or phalanx that bitch all the way down the hallway.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on October 22, 2012, 08:49 PM
I'm glad they found the prison laundry room so they can put those broads to work.  :D

Daryl: "Carol, stop carving corpses like they was pumkins and wersh my socks!"
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Diddly on October 23, 2012, 12:29 AM
The Carol Watcher isn't Meryl... they showed a preview of next week's episode during Talking Dead (a truly horrible show that I'm not sure why I even watch) and Meryl somehow winds up capturing Andrea and Michonne. Didn't recognize him at first but the TD host nearly had an orgasm after the clip screaming "MERYL MERYL OMG!!!!!!!" afterwards, so I'm ruling him out.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on October 23, 2012, 01:30 AM
That would be Chris Hardwick from "The Nerdist" which does a lot of Star Wars ****...  actually seems like a pretty cool guy, if not a spazz.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: iFett on October 23, 2012, 12:58 PM
Wasn't he a host on Double Dare or something like that?  Oh and don't stare at his neck...
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on October 23, 2012, 03:19 PM
He hosted a dating program.  I forget the DD hose but picture him perfectly.

Chris Hardwick hosted a show like Singled Out or something like that, which was like a modern version of shows like Love Connection, but always had people getting in hottubs and banging.

He was then in House of a 1000 Corpses.

Now he's on The Nerdist...  It's got stuff to do with various Star Wars projects I think, they talk about nerdy ****, etc.  And then he hosts Talking Dead.  I have to admit I kind of like it because he often has a producer on who will explain their intent with something clearly.  Like Shane getting back up they attributed to his healthy nature, so comes back faster and stronger than a typical zombie.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Tracy on October 23, 2012, 03:24 PM
I just thought it was because Shane was such a dick and well on his way to being a mindless being devouring all who get in his way

And I love Chris Hardwick!  Just caught his stand-up on Comedy Central (I had no idea)
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: CloneF13Y35 on October 28, 2012, 10:37 AM
Can't wait for tonight's episode, and the introduction of the Gov'nuh! Looks good so far and the new season is moving along at a very entertaining pace.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on October 28, 2012, 01:31 PM
Anyone watch RISE OF THE ZOMBIES last night on SyFy. One of those Asylum movies where it's entertaining to watch c-list actors (I almost felt sorry for Levar Burton) and bad special effects.  The undead could climb up the side of the Golden Gate bridge but couldn't climb over a 6-foot high chain link fence. It was terrible. The idiotic characters in the movie made even the most worthless person on the Walking Dead look like Ash from Evil Dead by comparison.

Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: JediJman on October 28, 2012, 03:33 PM
I did not catch it, but good to hear that I didn't miss anything.

Just to be clear - you're not ripping on Evil Dead Ash are you?  Them's fightin' words.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on October 28, 2012, 08:46 PM
I did not catch it, but good to hear that I didn't miss anything.

Just to be clear - you're not ripping on Evil Dead Ash are you?  Them's fightin' words.

Was me English that bad? No, Ash Williams is the ideal horror movie hero (Though, I never saw the first Evil Dead). The characters in Rise of the Zombies were so freaking stupid they made the worst/most unlikable characters on Walking Dead look like badasses (like Ash). The movie even made Danny Trejo look like a chump. Danny Trejo killing zombies sounds great, then he croaks 45 minutes in...spoiler...oh well.

I saw the last half movie on before it, Zombie Apocalypse. Starring Ving Rhames...how could you?  They fire a 50 caliber machine gun on  a shopping cart...somehow I don't think that would work.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Angry Ewok on October 28, 2012, 10:04 PM
Good episode, tonight. Haven't read the comics so the new guy is freakin' me out.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on October 28, 2012, 10:27 PM
SPOILERS

They built the gov'nuh as too-good-to-be-true friendly, then suspicious then revealed his intentions then....went too crazy too quick.  The end was a bit over-the-top...dare I say, comic booky.

So did the pilot die or did he have him killed? Hmmm...a living pilot might be useful than say, an untrusting pissed off woman and a sickly woman who asks a lot of questions.

Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on October 29, 2012, 09:23 AM
Yeah, they've taken an interesting interpretation of the Governor, very different from the comics. Dude is NOT supposed to be some strapping handsome guy. Seems like a stretch for Andrea to fall in line just like that.

Loved the headless pets. Loved bayonet-hand Merle. Still trying to figure out the effeminate lackey and how they are trying to play that character.

Walker-quarium?!?! Huh?

Why DO they care so much about Andrea and Michonne, and for that matter, Daryl? What's the point of trying to get information out of them? Even knowing the location of the farmhouse would be useless now because the prison is way far away.

Carol-watcher still a mystery...
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on October 29, 2012, 01:02 PM
Maybe we'll see Zombie Joanna.

Maybe it's a ploy to escape Woodbury, even though they supposedly can leave anytime.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Morgbug on October 29, 2012, 06:45 PM
... even though they supposedly can leave anytime.

Knowing what we do about the Governor I'm thinking Woodbury is kind of like Hotel California. 
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Angry Ewok on October 29, 2012, 07:27 PM
... even though they supposedly can leave anytime.

Knowing what we do about the Governor I'm thinking Woodbury is kind of like Hotel California.

Hell yeah.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on October 30, 2012, 11:20 PM
The new guy's a scientisty guy, studying the zombies for cures or what advantages they can get...  He's been used as an example of someone in the town that's not all bad, and that it's as conflicted a group as the main group is/was.  At least that was how things were said online about him on the WD site.

I thought the killing of the men was brutal and somehow, in this whole mess, it's been one of the harder sequences for me to watch.  I mean, I was pissed watching it which is silly but it still evoked that from me.

I think finding Darryl is just Merle's personal journey...  Think he honestly cares for/about him.  That'll play out interestingly.  And to that end I think he wants to know where the farm was for A) supply purposes B) to maybe pick up his brothers trail, and C) he wants revenge on anyone who MAY have lived in the group that he didn't like.  He seemed to honestly not mind Andrea and, like everyone else, Merle's another conflicted guy who doesn't hate everyone, just most everyone, and he's got his own morality.

This is one of the deeper series on TV I think, and really fascinates me.  I'm now really curious who Carol Watcher was/is.  :)  It's surely a threat, whoever it is.

This show gets better every week.

I thought Michonne's acting was a bit meh though.

Oh, and I am guessing they like Andrea and Michonne because they seem competent, useful people, plus they're women and women would be almost like another "supply" to some men, as society degenerated like it has.  Again I think that's why the men get killed...  they're a threat, and a drain on resources, when they have a "team" to already do that.

As a soldier unit they'd be allied to one another, closely.  They're all trained physically and with weapons.  And they're less useful than a couple women you think you can control and manipulate.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jeff on October 30, 2012, 11:55 PM
And to that end I think he wants to know where the farm was for...
...and C) he wants revenge on anyone who MAY have lived in the group that he didn't like.

Like maybe the prick Sherriff who handcuffed him to a pipe and left him to die?  :-X  ;)
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on October 30, 2012, 11:58 PM
And T-Dawg...  I think Glen was there too and didn't help much. :)  He's pissed I'm sure.

I figure he's got his own reasons for wanting the farm, the governor has his, and then they maybe have some combined reasons for wanting to go there.  At the very least they may have inferred from Andrea's blabbing that it was at least a potential stronghold of supplies that got overrun, so they'd want to at least check that out.  Merle's gonna be all about revenge as a character though, and I think if he has a death in the series it'll be from that aspect of his character.

Rick's not one to cuff you and come back for you anymore, that's for sure. :)
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: CloneF13Y35 on November 4, 2012, 12:42 PM
I'm interested in seeing what happens when Merle and Daryl finally meet up - will it be a reunion or a disastrous confrontation?
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Diddly on November 4, 2012, 09:40 PM
T-DOG NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Tracy on November 4, 2012, 09:59 PM
HOLY ****balls!!!   :o :o  Never was a big fan of hers - but ghee whiz!!!


I wonder if Carol-watcher has Carol now..........
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Angry Ewok on November 4, 2012, 11:29 PM
Good show. Can't believe what happened to T-Doggy.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on November 4, 2012, 11:42 PM
T-Dawg!  :'(

 Lori.  :-\

All because Rick assumed too much...assumed Andrew got munched.

Carol MIA? What?

Michonne is closer to solving this mystery, all she needs is an anthropromorphic dog.

Wasted a lottt of ammo...I don't know if I'd bother to try and shoot the alarm speakers.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on November 5, 2012, 04:07 AM
Are you SURE it's all because Rick let Andrew "go" more or less?  I'm not so sure on that.  :)  I'm not so sure Andrew was that clever, to have been the unseen guy at the beginning.  I think Carol Watcher may be out there.  I thoroughly enjoy that Carol Watcher is now what everyone calls the unseen guy.

2 down, but 2 added, and maybe more useful, though T-Dog's hard to replace despite not having a ton of lines.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BillCable on November 5, 2012, 08:22 AM
I think "Carol-watcher" was Andrew.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on November 5, 2012, 10:01 AM
I think "Carol-watcher" was Andrew.

No question...Carol-watcher was definitely Andrew.

But now we have to wonder about wtf happened to Carol? I just assumed that was who the 2 zombies were munching on when they found her head scarf. But after watching "Talking Dead" I guess we are supposed to not know one way or the other. Makes sense I guess, unless they show someone die they are likely to resurface. But why even make a mystery out of it? The writers have to get them OUT of that prison and into Woodbury, so anything like a missing person seems to work against that. And we've already done the missing person ad nauseam with Sophia and even Andrea. So I don't see the point in dragging that out.

I'm back to not liking Andrea again. How did she get so soft again in just 8 months? She was way down on Shane's end of the survivor spectrum, all bitterness and anger, now she's all ready to settle down and play house with the Guvnah? You're pulling the wool over your own eyes, girl!

Carl, Lori, Rick and Maggie were all outstanding last night. That was just one of the most emotionally wrenching things I have seen on TV in a long time. Just utterly brutal. The whole thing was played perfectly...Lori's sobering realization, Carl's reaction, Maggie's quick action to save the baby.

Lori's little speech to Carl was heartbreaking to me, especially as a parent. You've got thirty seconds to spend with your child knowing you're about to die and what do you say? How do you sum up everything going through your head in a few heartfelt sentences? Agonizing.

I disliked her character, but that was some great acting on her part last night, and I'm almost sorry to see her go.

Rick's reaction at the end was so torturously tragic too, physically torn between rushing back into the prison or hugging Carl, and ultimately just collapsing under the unbearable weight of realization. That was really powerful.

Out of nowhere, this was one of the best episodes EVER.

Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: jedipurge on November 5, 2012, 12:56 PM
that was the most gut-wrenching episode EVER, get it gut wrenching  >:D
Seriously tho, never woulda thot 2 main characters gone in same episode.  glad to see tho that T-dog got a hero's death.  and in the end that lori's death was almost redeeming her for the biatch she's been i almost felt pity/sorrow for her.  That has to be the best most suspensful TV ever and i'd go as far as more suspeseful then any movie i've seen as well.  I'm almost wondering if Carl actually killed Lori, he might not have and we'll see her walkin around.  could be like the first episodes of first season when Rick's savior tried to kill his zombie wife but just couldn't do it.  CAN'T FREAKIN WAIT TILL SUNDAY!!!!
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on November 5, 2012, 01:14 PM
Rewatching the ending, Rick's emotional break down almost sounds like he's laughing at some points. It's not unrealistic, but its funny after the fact.

I agree that Andrew didn't seem that clever (and just how long was he surviving on the outside?) to pull all that off alone, but that means we are left with a mystery man messing with the group for whatever reason...not sure I'd want something like that to drag out.

They stole the guvnah's golf ball hitting a zombie from DAWN OF THE DEAD remake (unless it was in the comic first)
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Chris M on November 5, 2012, 01:39 PM
As a husband and a father, that episode was as many are saying, gut wrenching. 

I didn't see Lori getting knocked off that way.  I thought they had deviated enough from the comics she might live on for a long while after. (I have only read a few summaries of them).  I can only imagine the pain Rick is going through and how it will affect his character in the future.

This was one of the best episodes IMO.  My wife is not a fan of the series, but just kind of watches out of the corner of her eye and she was shocked by the way it ended last night.

And, I hated seeing T-Dog get it. 
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: jedipurge on November 5, 2012, 06:46 PM
ya it was fantastic acting for Rick, can't remember his real name, his reaction to the realization that she was dead and the fact that Carl was the one that plugged her.  You could really feel his pain if he doesn't get an emmy something is just wrong with this world.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Qui-Gon Jim on November 7, 2012, 08:21 AM
Didn't see the episode on Sunday, and TWD's Facebook totally spoiled the ending.  Grrr!

This was such a fantastic hour of TV.  If Andrew Lincoln is not at least in the Emmy discussion...

I was sad, but not shocked to see T-Dawg come to an end.  As edgy as this show is, I don't think even they would want to veer into what a racist (Merle) would do to an African American, and it is inevitable that the prison crew collides with the Woodbury crew soon.  It would either come off disingenuous and out of character, or they would have surely made some headlines.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BillCable on November 7, 2012, 08:34 AM
I don't know... there's already a black guy on Merle's Woodbury security team (the one eying up Michonne when she arrived).  So I don't see that playing out like you expected.

Funny how as soon as they had a new black guy to take his place in the group, they offed T-Dog.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Greg on November 7, 2012, 08:42 AM
I was sad, but not shocked to see T-Dawg come to an end.  As edgy as this show is, I don't think even they would want to veer into what a racist (Merle) would do to an African American, and it is inevitable that the prison crew collides with the Woodbury crew soon.  It would either come off disingenuous and out of character, or they would have surely made some headlines.

I thought about the possible Merle/T-Dog meeting, but watching the third episode I realized Merle might have been forced to overcome (or at least stow away) his racism to work with the Governor. I know there was one prominent black guy in the Governor's group, along with a couple of hispanic guys, that Merle was working with. I did expect Merle and T-Dog to inevitably meet, so the events in the last episode were definitely an unexpected curve ball.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Qui-Gon Jim on November 7, 2012, 02:16 PM
I don't think I was exactly clear...  What I meant was the Merle character would clearly want to kill T-Dog and Rick for what they did to him.  In a society where Terry Bradshaw gets in trouble for mentioning fried chicken, I'd imagine that someone would be "offended" that a "racist" character (even if he's not racist anymore) killed a black man.  If Merle had come back to the fold and NOT wanted to kill T-Dog, and not even for just purely racial reasons, then that would be silly.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BillCable on November 7, 2012, 02:37 PM
Gotcha.  I think that'd fall under the "we're trying to be realistic" defense and wouldn't cause much of an uproar.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Sybeck1 on November 11, 2012, 11:41 PM
Was that Merle that Maggie had a gun drawn on in next week's preview?
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Angry Ewok on November 11, 2012, 11:43 PM
Excellent. My post erases itself.

Anyone else feel there's ****** editing or major plotholes with the three graves being dug and filled in?
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Chris M on November 11, 2012, 11:58 PM
Excellent. My post erases itself.

Anyone else feel there's ****** editing or major plotholes with the three graves being dug and filled in?

I'm curious as well.  Obviously T-Dogg's body was recovered.  You can make a case for Lori's, even though there is nothing to indicate they went in to get it.  You would think the third would be for Carol, but there is no evidence to indicate she's dead other than the wrap she had been wearing.  You would think they'd say something.  Maybe Talking Dead will give a clue.  Next week stands to be interesting though.

Maybe the third grave is for Hershel's leg...they don't want it reanimating and starting a one legged butt kicking contest.  (My lame attempt at humor after a long weekend).
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on November 12, 2012, 12:24 AM
Director Greg Nicotero said that the bloated zombie Rick kills had eaten Lori, meaning her grave is empty...very strange. This means the walker sought out her body, maybe opened a door...or Maggie and Carl left it open?

Michonne is fearless, but in an occassional dumb way...leaving the book open...killing those walkers.

Solar powered walker magnet?

The guvnah's girl...he's the bad parts of Hershel and Rick rolled into one.

Waiting for someone to show up alive with Carol that shouldn't be alive...no idea...but what else is the point of that part?
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Angry Ewok on November 12, 2012, 06:32 AM
We are supposed to believe the single zombie ate the entire corpse in less than 24 hours, bones and all? Woah, that's dumb.

And surely they wouldn't dig a full sized grave to bury a leg? Dumbasses.

Or a full size grave dug and filled in for someone completely consumed AND someone simply missing?

The whole thing is stupid.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BillCable on November 12, 2012, 07:53 AM
In a post-apocalyptic world burying when you can burn is a ridiculous choice.  It was done for one reason - ceremony.  Honor their dead.  And if they're gonna dig one useless grave, might as well dig 3.

But yeah - pretty dumb.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Angry Ewok on November 12, 2012, 07:57 AM
These Yankee producers need a Southron boy like myself to step in and say, "That there is stupid."
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Greg on November 12, 2012, 09:00 AM
In a post-apocalyptic world burying when you can burn is a ridiculous choice.  It was done for one reason - ceremony.  Honor their dead.  And if they're gonna dig one useless grave, might as well dig 3.

But yeah - pretty dumb.

I think in Season 1 someone mentioned the group buries the ones they loved, and burns the rest... I'm guessing since there was nothing left of two people they intended to bury (Carol and Lori) they just put their possessions in the graves.

As for the rest of the episode, I enjoyed it. They pulled off Penny and the fighting arena really well. The only things I dislike about the show are the pacing and ambiguous fates for characters. I'm still used to full episodes of Rick's group, so I feel shortchanged when those characters wind up with half an episode due to Woodbury... and they need to stop with the offscreen/ambiguous deaths. Did Carl really shoot Lori? Did Lori really get eaten? Is Carol really dead? After the Andrew incident I'm a skeptic about every death on the show... if they don't show it happen, the character is still alive!
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on November 12, 2012, 09:09 AM
Another strong episode, this whole season has been terrific so far. I love the opening juxtaposition of the people in Woodbury drinking their ice tea and kicking back while everything is unravelling over at the prison.

The 3 graves would be for Lori, T-Dog and Carol, but I agree that it seems odd everyone is so willing to believe Carol is dead when there is no real evidence at all. On the other hand, WTF would she be? She's been gone awhile by now.

The scene with Michonne taking out the walkers was insanely awesome. The boot stomp in particular was frigging excellent. She really doesn't seem to try too hard to make a compelling case for leaving though. No mention (again) of the blood or bullet holes in the vehicle, all the stuff from the Governor's office, etc. Kinda hard to blame Andrea for not being convinced.

And oh yeah, Walker Arena!!! Not what I was expecting...was kind of hoping they would unchain the zombies and go for some kind of Thunderdome-esque free-for-all, but instead we just got Merle and some other dope pummeling themselves. Glad to see Andrea was appalled though, seems like the impetus she needed to get the hell out now. Nice nod to the comics on that one too.

Rick is in a pretty bad place, it's hard to watch. I gotta call BS on two things though: there is no way that walker ate ALL of Lori, sorry just not possible. Explain how he swallowed that femur please. And come on - the PHONES STILL WORK?!?!

Nice moment to end the episode on and all, but yeah, call routing would be the first thing to go and you can't generate your own internal dial tone with no power.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: efranks on November 12, 2012, 09:52 AM
You're watching a show about zombies and you're picking apart telephones and whether or not one could eat a whole body?  The entire show is based off physical near impossibilities...

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Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on November 12, 2012, 10:53 AM
I was actually just kidding about the phones, I know where they are going with that.   ;)

But yeah, you can't swallow a leg bone. It's all about suspension of disbelief. People are always more willing to buy a "Big Lie" than a smaller one. I can rationalize dead people re-animating, but gulping down an entire rib cage? Not so much.

I agree given the overall context it's a rather absurd thing to comment on, but that's the beauty of the internet!
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BillCable on November 12, 2012, 11:34 AM
You're not gonna swallow a leg bone... you're gonna chew it up!  Absent pain receptors in your jaw you could easily grind up any bone except for other teeth.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: jedipurge on November 12, 2012, 12:52 PM
true, but  how're u gonna naw on a skull
i think carl didn't shoot her and that she has reanimated into a zombie, and that is why she hasn't been on Talking Dead yet cuz we'll be seeing her again.
the engorged zombie fed on her as much he could and she came back to "life" and walked away.  I think it'll be like a season finale kinda thing that we see her at the end.

Or i could be wrong maybe they did go back and recover what was left of Laurie and buried her, and that's why don't see anything.

between Rick hacking at walkers and Michonne cutting that F'er in half I'm not sure what was best
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: efranks on November 12, 2012, 01:07 PM
Can I just say that Michonne is a complete badass.  I'd watch a show just about her. 

I also don't understand why Michonne didn't give Andrea any info on what she found...but then we've seen these people make a lot of stupid decisions about things.  There seems to be a pattern.  Even the military guys letting a bunch of red necks get the jump on them was stupid.  You're in the Zombie Apocalypse and you don't set a perimeter guard while waiting for your airborne recon to come back?

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Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on November 12, 2012, 01:11 PM
I assumed the phone was Rick going crazy like Charlton Heston in The Omega Man "There is no ringing!"

No, it doesn't make sense one walker completely ate Lori...but now that I think about it...where there was one there may have been many. That's just the one that hung around after eating too much.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Morgbug on November 12, 2012, 01:48 PM

On the other hand, WTF would she be? She's been gone awhile by now.

Not the way I see it in terms of length of time.  Think about it: end of preceding episode, Rick was collapsing because Lori is dead.  Start of this episode, Rick is on the ground completely dazed then goes batshit, grabs the axe and goes into the prison.  By the end of the episode it's only just getting dark as the baby formula hunters return (I was sure we were going to see infant zombies...).  That means Carol's only been out of touch with the group for about 12 hours at most.  She could have easily holed up in a cell for the duration of that time.  I do think the group thinks she's dead but I'm not so sure. 

The Woodbury timeline seemed about the same too, only a portion of a single day in length, with Michonne leaving just before dark and then the 'entertainment' at Woodbury being in the evening. 

None of that means Carol is alive, but the timeline certainly would allow for it. 
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BillCable on November 12, 2012, 02:41 PM
If I might pick a nit... I was rolling my eyes as they fed the newborn baby at the end.  At that age a baby drinks 2-3 ounces of formula at a time.  They gave her a full toddler bottle... like 12 ounces.

And those two cans of formula will last maybe a week if they're lucky...

Parent rant over.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Tracy on November 12, 2012, 05:29 PM
If I might pick a nit... I was rolling my eyes as they fed the newborn baby at the end.  At that age a baby drinks 2-3 ounces of formula at a time.  They gave her a full toddler bottle... like 12 ounces.

And those two cans of formula will last maybe a week if they're lucky...

Parent rant over.

Though I never bottle-fed my babies I thought the same thing!  I said to my hubby - there's way too much in that bottle - they just wasted a ton of formula.  I did get a kick out of seeing Uncle Daryl coo and aww over her though.........
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: JediJman on November 12, 2012, 06:00 PM
Finally found a site where I can watch online.  Just need to get caught up with E3 & E4....
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: iFett on November 12, 2012, 07:41 PM
I kinda miss life on the farm.  Things are moving too quickly and too many main characters dying off....I enjoy all the violence though - don't get me wrong.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on November 12, 2012, 09:12 PM
Speaking of waste. They've wasted too much ammo recently...including Rick's breakdown. They'll be down to a bb gun in a week at this rate. Nah...they probably left the BB gun at the store. Realistically someone should be armed with like a .22, because those are common. Might take more than one shot to kill a walker. But in situations where you had the time...it beats louder .45...Rick should be almost deaf now...no wonder he hears ringing.



Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Angry Ewok on November 13, 2012, 07:33 AM
It'll kill a man, a stray .22 killed my great grandpa squirrel hunting, but that rimfire stuff only works 70% of the time or less. Hell, go to a rifle range and see how much unspent .22 is laying around where folks had to eject it.

By this time, they'd have been hand reloading or at least picking up shell casings with that thought in mind.

I gave up on the guns making sense this season when the eight year old walked in with a suppressor with wires dangling out of the slide.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Tracy on November 13, 2012, 08:22 AM
When I first saw Rick walk in to "the birthing room" - for lack of a better term - and Lori was gone, I saw the blood trail and then heard the walker, my first thought was "Oh no, Carl didn't do it, and now she's turned and Rick is going to have to shoot her - this just keeps getting worse and worse".  Even when they first showed the walker with the bloated belly and he put the gun in it's mouth I thought it was Lori - I was so stunned I had to rewind to look at the walker's features/hair again because I was looking at Rick.  Then when he started hacking into it's belly looking for her - I kept thinking of when they were looking for Sophia and Darly cut the walker open and found the squirrel.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: name on November 13, 2012, 01:20 PM
I kinda miss life on the farm.  Things are moving too quickly and too many main characters dying off....I enjoy all the violence though - don't get me wrong.

share please.  i missed two eps ago while out of town, and was disappointed to find that you couldn't watch episodes on AMC's site any more.  Had to wait until I could get home to watch on demand.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: iFett on November 13, 2012, 08:32 PM
eh?  I was just referring back to season 2 is all.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BrentS on November 13, 2012, 09:01 PM
After a 4 week binge on Netflix and on Demand, I'm 100% caught up. I can see why everyone raves about this show. Very entertaining. The episode two weeks ago was unbelievable!  I had to go back back and see if I missed Carol disappearing somehow. I didn't think she died on screen. Surely she's coming back.

I've had so many episodes just sitting around waiting on me, it's hard think now I have to wait for "real time". Sigh.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Sybeck1 on November 13, 2012, 09:55 PM
Am I the only one who saw that Maggie has a gun drawn on Merle next week?
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Qui-Gon Jim on November 14, 2012, 09:32 AM
Carol did not die on screen.

Now that you are caught up, you are in the same boat as the rest of us; hopelessly addicted having trouble waiting for our next fix.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on November 18, 2012, 10:23 PM
Mixed bag episode...the Rick parts were irritating. The other parts were Andrea is an idiot and people finding each other because...Georgia is such a small place, apparently, and every other person is an expert tracker.

Governor is an idiot. Wastes man power hunting Michonne. Goes after other survivors when there's still TONS OF STUFF to loot it seems.

Glenn and Maggie need to shoot first and ask questions later...who cares if it's Darryl's evil brother.

Plus side, no more Carol's ambigious fate nonsense. And Evil Glenn (Governor's Asian flunkie with the mustache) is dead...
No guts, no gorey...glory moment with Michonne...pretty awfully awesome.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Diddly on November 18, 2012, 10:29 PM
This season is swirling down the toilet faster with each and every week... is ANYTHING going to happen? I get that they have to build suspense but come on.

Andrea sexing up the Governor... boring.

Also why is it that in Season 1 Rick and Glenn have to cover themselves head to toe in gallons of zombie guts and the slightest sprinkle of rain washes it away and gets the zombies to notice them... meanwhile Michonne has a small amount of guts spilled on her shirt and she can walk hand in hand with them?
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Angry Ewok on November 19, 2012, 05:10 AM
Ain't gon' lie... Getting sick of the cheap prison set, the boring takes with the Governor, and getting cockteased with a preview that essentially shows all of the action without the fluff.

And now we'll get 20 minutes of the asian kid being interrogated on another drab prison set.

As for Michonne, her confused facial expressions and general ignorance just make her seem handicapped.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on November 19, 2012, 09:31 AM
I actually feel like this season has been the best one yet, and the pacing is WAY more dynamic than all that time they spent chillaxing on the Farm last year. That stuff really dragged, esp with all the Shane/Lori nonsense. At least we've moved beyond that.

For me, the problem I wrestle with is knowing where all this stuff goes in the comic and trying to piece it together in my head, rather than just letting the storyline evolve naturally. And then you start getting that whole impatience vibe cause you know they are building up to something and kinda wish they would just hurry up and get there, rather than enjoying the ride.

Lots of strong performances in this episode though, esp liked Darryl and Hershel. Glad to see Carol got her reprieve as well.

Agree that the whole "expert tracker" thing is being way overdone and does not seem realistic. Michonne had a hellacious head start on those rednecks. And I also agree that the whole notion of wasting time and energy tracking her down was ridiculous. Didn't Merle JUST ASK Philip last episode if they were going to have a problem with Michonne? And he said no? And now he's sending off 4 people to look for her? Wouldn't it have just been easier to kill her in Woodbury?

As great as it would have been to see Michonne cut off Merle's head, or at least intervene when he gets the drop on Glyn and Maggie, I can see why they wanted to milk that a little more. He's got a lot of bad stuff left to do before he dies.

Really, really sick of the Philip/Andrea thing already. She is a complete fing moron. Her character is SO poorly written too, she is all over the map morally and psychologically. First she screws Shane and now this. It's like she looking for guys to bang that are begging to get killed by Rick. And what about the black haired chick who was laying in Philip's bed just 2 episodes ago?

I do hope we've seen the last of the phone thing. I think they got the point across and no need to dwell on his craziness. Nice to see Rick come back to the fold near the end there. I wish I could have heard what Lori said better though, it was all static-y when she finally got on.

And oh yeah, poor Maggie. Something tells me she is going to find her stay in Woodbury particularly unpleasant.  :(
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on November 19, 2012, 01:15 PM
I forgot the worst new character "bow girl", whose dad wanted her to be in the Olympics but she can't hit a walker 30 feet away.

I'll miss Car..car...how do you say his name again? He got into the spirit of things. If a chick sliced me with a samurai sword and ran off into zombie country...I might just agree with Merle so I could get back to town, get stitched up and have a beer....no matter what I would actually tell the governor later.

How did Merle and Michonne go in different directions and wind up in the same place? Why didn't Merle's team have a vehicle somewhere?

One of thing of interest. Hershell actually heard static on the phone. Assuming Hershell was there and he wasn't a hallucination.

Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Angry Ewok on November 19, 2012, 06:28 PM
I forgot the worst new character "bow girl", whose dad wanted her to be in the Olympics but she can't hit a walker 30 feet away.

Producers don't know their way around bows and guns, this much was proven Season 1.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on November 19, 2012, 10:02 PM
Hah...  Yeah, that and the group passing up how many military small arms and even some heavier ****?  One grenade was all they could muster?  BS.  They've had other stuff they've passed on and it drives me batty.  How did the Woodbury group pass up all the military hardware they inherited too ya know?  Why chase Michonne down with pistols and knives?  It's like Call of Duty.

On the phone thing, you'll hear static if it's connected to other lines in the building. 
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Angry Ewok on November 20, 2012, 06:48 AM
The guns and **** is annoying, but it isn't LOST annoying, yet. Once the libtard actors are allowed to "chk-chk" their top slide every three seconds, THEN its over. Just watch LOST, dude... As soon as the actors started slinging their guns around the show went to ****.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BillCable on November 20, 2012, 08:00 AM
Why chase Michonne down with pistols and knives?

Maybe because Merle is nuts and likes to keep things personal?
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: GrandMoffNick on November 20, 2012, 11:56 AM
WOW. Admitting I skimmed some of the last bunch of posts and nothing more, what in the world do people want from this show? The season has been crazy with things happening so they finally take a break and it is "going down the toilet". I love it.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: CHEWIE on November 20, 2012, 04:29 PM
WOW. Admitting I skimmed some of the last bunch of posts and nothing more, what in the world do people want from this show? The season has been crazy with things happening so they finally take a break and it is "going down the toilet". I love it.

I don't get the complaining either. 

This isn't a 2 hour movie.  This is a series, and to do that, you can't cram everything into a tight span.  I think people forget that.

Best show on television and people are still complaining that's not good enough for them... wow.  I wish I was that spoiled. 
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on November 20, 2012, 05:05 PM
I agree, best show on TV as far as I'm concerned and they may compact the comic stuff like the phone, but I'm ok with that since I haven't read the comics.  I suppose if you read those though, your POV may be different.  I dunno.  I love it though.  Between this and GOT, there isn't a lot more on TV I consider worth watching even though Clone Wars redeemed itself the last couple weeks.

By the way, I don't think I'd buy "Well Merle's nuts" argument on not taking assault rifles... Y ou're in the woods hunting.  He's from a family that I think did that, a lot, so I think he's smart enough to take a rifle.  I just chalk it up to a logic oversight.  At least one of those schmucks should've been armed with more than a pistol and a knive that's not even a big knife.  Crocodile Dundee would've mocked them.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on November 20, 2012, 07:29 PM
Tyreese in da house!!!!!!!!!!!

http://social.entertainment.msn.com/tv/blogs/tv-buzz-blog.aspx?blog=2080&feat=fd3410f6-2fa3-4300-9396-b4a11c2a4047

Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: CHEWIE on November 21, 2012, 11:02 AM
I agree, best show on TV as far as I'm concerned and they may compact the comic stuff like the phone, but I'm ok with that since I haven't read the comics.  I suppose if you read those though, your POV may be different.  I dunno. 

Yeah, I think the POV can be different for those that have read the comics vs those who haven't.  I have read them, and re-read them all a second time not long ago.  They are very good but there is actually slower pacing in the comics than on the show, in my opinion.  I kind of like how they've switched things up from the comics some, because it's kept me guessing a lot - for example, Lori does not die during childbirth - it happens quite a bit later, and in a completely different way in the comics.

This season has really picked up the pace and had a lot more action than I expected at this point.  I love it more each and every week.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: JediJman on November 21, 2012, 11:31 AM
I am FINALLY caught up on the Walking Dead after three seasons with AMC.  Nice to be in the same timeline with the rest of the world for a change!

I took the time to go back and read through posts, so want to respond to some of the topics and latest events.

 - Sorry to see T-Dawg go, but very excited that we're getting Tyreese.  Hopefully they don't kill off black-prisoner-guy though - I like that character even if I can't remember his name.  I hope both the prisoners turn out to be pretty good guys.  It would be nice for the group to have an example where bringing someone in doesn't screw them over.  I can't help wondering if I would be more tempted to protect my own or willing to bring new people into the fold to make the group stronger.  Seems like a very small group still holding out in the Prison versus what they had in the comic, and that seems like trouble with the inevitable showdown coming. 

 - I am a little sorry to see Lori go before she and Rick could patch things up.  This is probably the most realistic way to go, but that's got to be hard on Rick.  I believe they patched things up in the comic when the baby was born, but she and the baby met a terrible ending shortly thereafter.  If you thought this storyline was gut wrenching, go read the comic.  Their fate is much worse.  Rick's performance/reaction was incredible.  That has really stuck with me as a father and husband - tough to watch, but fantastic acting.  I am wondering where they're going to go with the baby now though.  I can't see Rick leading the group and being full time caretaker.  To comments on the formula - those cans don't last real long, but they had a a good weeks supply and were obviously going to get more.  I beet Michone has some of the cans from town with her after Glenn and Maggie were nabbed.  My question is where are they getting clean water to mix it with?  I don't see a lot of bottled water laying around lately, and last I checked there was no river flowing through the prison.

 - I like the way they're handling the Governor/Penny/Woodbury.  The guy is nuts - of course he's going to let Michonne go and then go after her.  From his conversation with Merle, we know he wanted her head for his collection and the sword.  The fight with the hunters and Michonne was great.  I figured Merle is at least as good of a tracker as his brother, so no surprise that he finds Michonne.  That said, I'm a little surprised that he ends up in town at the same time as Michonne AND Glenn and Maggie, but I kind of figured he had a car in town and maybe tracked Michonne from there out into the woods versus catching up with her from Woodbury.  Maybe they found signs of her being there and tracked her from there.  She didn't have a lot of supplies, so makes sense to check a few surrounding towns.  I'm also not shocked at the weapons they used - why would they carry assualt rifles after a girl with a sword?  They don't know how bad ass she is, Merle can't really handle a rifle anymore, and any kind of heavy fire is going to draw more walkers.  Merle mentions that they're near the "red zone," so maybe that's not a good place to go making lots of noise.

 - Count me in with those that feel this is the best thing on TV.  Some people will complain about anything.   ::)  Yeah, the show about reanimated corpses isn't 100% scientifically correct on everything.  Shocker.  Much like any other show, there's dozens of of screen explanations for a lot of things.  Corpse that ate Laurie?  Probably one of many that smelled her rotting or heard the gunshot that killed her.  The rest of her bones and skull?  Maybe got dragged off or just around the corner.  Rick didn't look anymore after he found the bloated belly guy.  Don't like Michonne's conversation skills?  She doesn't strike me as much of a talker in either the show or the comic.  It is possible that people act a little goofy - I'm not sure how rational I would be in such an impossible insane situation.  Army guys not prepared for an ambush?  I wouldn't be expecting one.  I thought it was smart that they were way out in the open where they could ideally see walkers coming from hundreds of yards away.  Maybe they dhsould have had someone more on watch, but all eyes would be on the governor's truck when he raced in anyway.

 - That said, my only real complaint I have is with Andrea.  I get her character moving through suicide to wanting to survive to being an amazing shot then getting sick and cut off, having to reinvent herself and wanting some semblance of calm and "normalness" in her life.  I guess I can even stomach her sleeping with Shane and the Governor - she's fairly attractive and maybe attracted to complex guys in a world where you might not live another day.  Not crazy that she would sleep with two people in the course of a year.  That said, I like comic Andrea a lot more.  She's more of a leader and gets progressively tough as nails throughout.  I think they're just doing too much with her - it makes her more of revolving plot point than a real character slowly adapting over time to her situation.  Now they're pushing her into someone that loves combat with the jumping over the wall and secretly liking the arena.  I hope she quickly catches on to the Governor, escapes with Glenn and Maggie, and gets back to being a badass with the prison crew.

It will be hard just digesting an episode per week, but can't wait to see what they've got lined up next.  Does anyone else think the scientist guy is not a fan of the governor?  I think he's going to be pivital to the group.  Nothing brings people together like a common enemy.

Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on November 21, 2012, 02:10 PM
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why would they carry assualt rifles after a girl with a sword?  They don't know how bad ass she is, Merle can't really handle a rifle anymore, and any kind of heavy fire is going to draw more walkers.

I have to disagree with this...  WHy not?  A gunshot is a gunshot is a gunshot...  Short of a silencer of course, which I'd have liked to have seen an explanation on how they made them.  That's not easily done, nor do I think they'd work so well, but maybe Darryl did them up?  He seems like he might know how to do something like that.

Anyway, you have assault rifles...  they have range, better knockdown power, and likely larger magazines.  So why not take them since Michonne's not your only problem out there, and that's assuming you don't know Michonne's abilities.

I'd argue they are aware of what she can do.  The Governor has her attack him right before she leaves, and so he's well aware she's fast and tricky.  I imagine he relayed that to Merle.

Granted, Merle can't use a rifle, and Merle's a dope and prone to overestimation, but the simple logic lacked in that whole scenario bothers me.

I think complaints about things that are simply "real" are valid...  There's obvious things in the show that would be hard to dispute because how are you going to argue the zombies themselves or whatnot?  But I think arguing things like a home made silencer being a feasible thing, or why a group didn't take an assault rifle with them when they SHOULD have them in heavy supply, makes some sense.

On the issue of the soldiers not being prepared, I think they're dealing with the world as it is almost from a newbies perspective.  They mentioned being holed up in a base and were doing well till someone inside turned.  I've always bet that it was someone who died of a cause other than a zombie, and turned because they're all infected and they didn't know that.

Anyway, I figure these soldiers and their base have been fairly isolated since the outbreak.  They held out, but **** happened without the knowledge that everyone who dies, regardless of how, turns.  And so they escaped, but they went out into the world a little naieve and expected all survivors to band together...  Obviously that's not how it is, and human nature being what it is, people are at each other's throats for their stuff and to put down perceived threats.

So I can see the soldiers being a little lax in their defensive posturing against the living.  The Dead are slow to them also, so they're maybe lack much caution with them either aside from a tight perimeter.  I can buy all that.

Andrea's probably my least favorite character right now...  Just smacks of "dumb blonde" at the moment.  She's sort of jumped around a lot too, in personality.  So yeah I'm not into her at the moment, though she's fun to look at.

Michonne I like...  I'd like to know HOW she gets this good at killing, and I think some of her closed off nature is due to how she got where she is (since her pets were those closest to her).  She's bound to be messed up a little bit.  It'd just be nice to know how she became a master with a Katana.  Not a skill most people have on their resume. :P

I can buy Merle and Michonne winding up at the same spot for any number of reasons.  Michonne because she wants supplies.  Merle because he's looking for a ride, or left his ride there, or because maybe that's the road to Woodbury?  Who knows.

I'm curious about the main group's run for ammo...  I'm surprised they're that sure they'llj ust run into WM and find it.  In a situation like that, ammo's going to be in short supply, I'd imagine.  :-\
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: efranks on November 21, 2012, 03:40 PM
I think we got an answer to the silencer in the second or third show this season.  There was a scene after they were in the prison where Carl had a can of some type and was stuffing it with steel wool.  Which is a way to make a cheap silencer that's good for a limited number of shots.  Probably enough to be effective clearing a half dozen walkers out of the yard or a hallway before it would need to be replaced.

They didn't really highlight it, probably because they didn't want kids running around making silencers, but I'm sure someone put that in there for people to pick up on.

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Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on November 21, 2012, 03:57 PM
Will that really work that well though?  I mean, their shots are dead silent...  no pun.  Even real manufactured silencers sound a little bit.  :-\
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BillCable on November 21, 2012, 04:46 PM
If you press a gun against a pillow it acts as a silencer.  You can make one with an empty 2-liter plastic bottle.  Anything to capture/muffle the sound.  A pipe full of steel wool would actually be pretty effective.  Not James Bond movie effective, but it'd reduce the noise considerably.

In close quarters an assault rifle can be less effective than a pistol.  They're better suited for long-range attacks.  So in dense woods if you don't expect a lot of warning before you see your prey (or hunter, in this case), you might be better off with a pistol.

What was the dude who lost his head packing?  I remember some sort of bandolier or strap across his chest.  Going purely from memory, though.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on November 21, 2012, 07:54 PM
I would say it muffles it, but I don't think it acts as a silencer...  I've heard real supressors fired, and they're still audible.  The ones in the series have been quite silent, and so I just don't see it as realistic, but I find it interesting that home made silencers using steel wool have been done.  I don't think they'd be that quiet but I guess it's at least realistic.  Wonder whose idea it was?  Darryl or Rick?  Don't think anyone else in the group would've come up with it.  Seems more Darryl to me.  Looks like the kinda guy that liked shooting at old cars.

On the assault rifle, I'm just still not in agreement, at all...  You're not doing a sweep and clear of a house, you're out in the woods.  At the very least, you'd take a rifle and a pistol, if you're doing both.  Dense woods, which I don't know I'd call those dense woods particularly, you'd still be better off with the capacity, range, and power of an assault rifle if it's at your disposal.

If they were clearing houses, I could MAYBE buy pistols, if you've not got access to a shotgun or smaller assault weapon which we saw actually one of the Woodbury gang had something similar I think to a Tech 9 at one point, IIRC.  So even then, they STILL had superior "close range" weapons to a pistol and a knife.  Not to mention the knives they had didn't even look big...  Why not take machete's at least?  Surely they have those!  I have like 5 just at my house.

I recall a bandoleir too Bill, but also forget what he had.  Could've just been to sheath his knife and some extra stuff, who knows.  I don't recall any of them having anything bigger than a pistol though.

Part of me wonders if Merle half-assed the whole thing together quickly.  For my mind, it's the only thing that makes much sense.  The Woodbury people seem a little inept to me save for the Governor, and maybe he likes it that way.  When Merle's your 2nd, I suppose that's actually probably as likely a reason why they went out there poorly equipped.

He also didn't seem to respect Michonne much till she'd f'd up the whole group but him, so perhaps he just half assed it thinking she'd be a quick easy kill.  I still say the lack of some of that military gear they had to have pilfered was an oversight though.  I'll chalk it up to Merle being a knob.  He's a good catch-all.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Angry Ewok on November 21, 2012, 08:16 PM
I've got a pretty decent gun collection and I've tinkered around, but I've never seen a homemade silencer that actually... well... worked.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on November 21, 2012, 09:35 PM
I almost want to try it but my guns are too valuable to put anything on them like that.  Might piss around with it on a .22 pistol I have, but really I value all of them that I'd be afraid to mess with something homemade like that, haha.  It's interesting though, if it works, even a little bit.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: CloneF13Y35 on November 22, 2012, 11:06 AM
One of the best things about this season is they are telling better stories; like someone mentioned, it's a series and so they can take time to let things develop. As the middle to end of season two got so freaking slow and "soap opera-like", the last two episodes really rocked. I like that they are going in slightly different directions from the comics, which definitely can drag on and on and on etc. Probably 20 issues of the comic from this same time frame of Prison/Woodbury to what comes after that is so repetitious it makes GL's writing seem eloquent LOL ;)
the mid season finale is in a couple weeks then it starts back up in either Feb or Mar next year with the back 8 episodes. 
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on November 22, 2012, 02:39 PM
I think the show's writing is outstanding...  It's complex, and takes a totally fictional situation and asks how people would really behave.  Some will go nuts and kill themselves.  Some will go nuts and attempt to dominate the situation and those around them.  Some will retain their humanity.  Some will cower in the corner.  Some will just follow and grow at their own pace, or as the situation warrants.

It's really a show about humanity I think, and that's far more interesting than zombies.  I've always explained it to friends who think it's just a horror tv show, as much more than that.  The Zombies are the situation, but the people are what make the show.

That's why Woodbury, the Prison, the Philly crew, The Vato's...  They make the most interesting story expansions.  Zombies are what they are, but people are like a Whitman Sampler and sometimes you get a ****** one... to paraphrase Forrest Gump.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: efranks on November 22, 2012, 07:12 PM
The thing about silencers is that you have to  combine them with heavier, slower moving ammunition to get a really quiet firearm.  All movies and TV shows overdue it on how quiet they make their stuff sound.  The two things that make the most noise are the expanding gases as the bullet exits the barrel and the sonic boom from the bullet.  Steel wool in a can will capture those gases and help eliminate some of that sound but if there's still going to be some noise.

I'm with Jesse on the weapons for the hunt. Ideally they'd have shotguns with slugs loaded.  In woods you want something with range but also that fires a large, heavy bullet that can cut through brush better.  Maybe a rifle from the AK family or a good .308 would be okay but without really pouring over the show, I got the impression a lot of what they had were 9mm or .223 military rifles with some hunting rifles.  But bolt action hunting rifles wouldn't necessarily be the best choice either, for woods like those.

If I was hunting someone in the woods I'd want shotguns and some decent revolvers (.357, .44) or a nice .45 auto.  I'd take a good 9mm for backup but I wouldn't make that my first choice necessarily.

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Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: JediJman on November 22, 2012, 08:29 PM
And what story would you give the rest of the town for why you're headed out armed to the teeth after someone you supposedly let go?  How comfortable would you be giving those weapons to guys you dont really know on your hunting trip?  I think massive weaponry to hunt Michone would have looked silly, so I guess you cant please everyone.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on November 22, 2012, 11:33 PM
For my argument, you're sending guys out with AR-15's (this is assuming you now have a decent stash of them, courtesy of the GI's you cut down).  SOmeone with a shotgun with slug rounds would be nice but maybe not possible.  Tough to say who has what in the town.  I have a 12 gauge and have a variety ammo for it, so who knows what whoever maybe brought along or they found.  I can see someone taking one though.

I'm only basing my thought on the fact they killed military guys who most likely had AR15's or something similar, and I think one guy in the chopper had a LMG too but I can't recall.  That's maybe a bit overkill not to mention more difficult to use and learn, or at least I'd imagine it is.

(http://img837.imageshack.us/img837/4006/328939.jpg)

As you can see, not a particularly large weapon.  It's an assault rifle, but I believe it's smaller than the AK-47, and for my money looks less intimidating, though that's partially the AK's being the "bad guy" gun IMO.  Perception and all that.  It's used for clearing houses and just about everything else.  Its versatility is a big reason it's so popular.

If you have that, I  can't see much of a reason you wouldn't go out with it.  At least one guy, anyway, incase.  I don't think they'd have to it justify to people inside the fort, why the guys going outside of it are carrying a rifle, a pistol, and something a little longer than a tooth pick for dealing with them hand-to-hand.

With basically a rifle, a pistol, and a weapon for killing up close more than a knife, they'd be about as armed up as Rick's group has been at any given time when they're running around with shotguns and pistols as well.

The only thing that works for me, at all, is Merle's a bit of a moron and didn't respect Michonne at all, so he didn't think to actually gear up at all and that it'd be just a quick jaunt out and back with her head and sword.  That's a little far-fetched still, but Merle is a dope and could easily make a mistake like underestimating who he's going out after.  It still stands to reason any group out there is better off with a staggered ability to fight though, rather than just relying on pistols and knives.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Greg on November 23, 2012, 12:05 AM
The only thing that works for me, at all, is Merle's a bit of a moron and didn't respect Michonne at all, so he didn't think to actually gear up at all and that it'd be just a quick jaunt out and back with her head and sword.  That's a little far-fetched still, but Merle is a dope and could easily make a mistake like underestimating who he's going out after.  It still stands to reason any group out there is better off with a staggered ability to fight though, rather than just relying on pistols and knives.

Merle's cockiness was what I thought of when this gun discussion was brought up. I'm guessing Merle and his henchmen thought they'd be out in the woods for ten minutes, and surely they could easily shoot a crazy sword-wielding lady. Based on the first encounter and Merle's taunts it seemed like they expected Michonne to bonzai charge, rather than get the jump on them and wind up being an extremely dangerous attitude. Plus they didn't think to drive a car out, so why would they be smart enough to bring heavier firepower?
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on November 23, 2012, 12:16 AM
The car thing's weird too...  I can't tell if they walked or maybe Merle was staggering around looking for a new ride back because Michonne messed his up?  I've thought that too.  Everything we'd seen till now was them using cars.

That whole thing seems like there's something between the two episodes we missed.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on November 23, 2012, 01:09 PM
She took time to warn them to GO BACK.

The whole episode could've been Michonne leaving messages for them.

"Another message....a butt and she dug a hole....I don't get it."

"A-hole...hey, Merle, this ones for you!"
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on November 26, 2012, 12:24 AM
There was irritating music this week...at first I wasn't sure it was a score or some machine somewhere Rick's team was gonna come across.

Mixed bag episode. Hermit part seemed to come out of nowhere...run in here...hey, a crazy survivor! Oh, he's dead!

Parts with Rick and Carl were good. Their interaction with Michonne felt rushed...but she is a person of few words.

The governor makes Merle look likable by comparison.

Not sure where they are going with Woodbury's scientist.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Angry Ewok on November 26, 2012, 07:34 AM
Looks like next week will have absurd gunplay.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BillCable on November 26, 2012, 08:27 AM
Anybody else get the feeling that the black dude from the prison is the red shirt?

I don't watch previews for the next week, but it does seem like things are shaping up for a crazy mid-season finale.  The fact that pretty much anyone but Rick could die in any given week makes the show really intense.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Tracy on November 26, 2012, 11:17 AM
This is more of a pet peeve than anything else - I just feel the need to rag on Andrea for a bit:  She is turning into a real dumb broad - I thought she was a lot stronger and more independent that than - a real disappointment there.  Also - she seemed to roll over pretty easily on the whole Mr. Coleman thing - I thought she would have at leaset balked or raised some misgivings.  Finally - what in the hell is up with that purse?  It has been bugging the living crap out of me that she is toting a purse around.  Now I know she probably doesn't have her Target shopping list and wallet in there - but an crossbody sachel would make a lot more sense for carrying a gun, ammo and a clean pair of thongs..........
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on November 26, 2012, 11:34 AM
Ugh, the "mid-season finale" is always a gut punch. Especially because this season has been so off-the-hook awesome. I have to think they are not going to wrap up the Battle of Woodbury next week, so I guess this will carryover the rest of the season.

Lots of interesting stuff from last night:

How does a crazy paranoid hermit even survive the zombie apocalype that long? Crazy people would be the first people to die it seems like, poor impulse control, etc.

Glenn/Walker mano a mano = freaking riveting! That whole scene was crazy good. That dude is officially a bad-ass. Not to mention taking that savage beating from Merle.

Scientist dude (also on The Good Wife in a recurring role) seems pretty clueless for having studied these things for so long. I'm glad they didn't decide to humanize the zombies though, I much prefer them as mindless killing machines as opposed to the gentle "pet" from Day of the Dead.

Interesting that Andrea gets so unnerved over that, but has no problems jumping over the wall to stick a walker in the eye in pretty much exactly the same manner the episode before. She's still all over the place, characterwise.

Agreed that the soundtrack was a little odd, I like stuff like that, but I kept thinking they were getting near that machine that was designed to attract the walkers.

I'm really relieved Maggie got a reprieve, I was hoping the writers would give her a break and not take that scene too far for the show. It was hard enough to watch as it was...ugh.

Almost equally distrubing was Merle's bayonet-stroking of Glenn earlier in the episode. It was impossible NOT to flash back to Michael Rooker's creepiest role ever as the homosexual rapist in Sea of Love trying to get all over Al Pacino. (And yes, it was even creepier than Henry the Serial Killer, IMO)

As much as you hate Merle, he's so compelling as a villain you almost want him to stick around a little longer. Not so much the Governor, whom I'd like to see them dispense with as quickly and painfully as possible.

Oh, and I loved Philip's sneaky remark about bringng in Glenn's hand. That was a nice nod to one of the storylines from the comic we will probably not see on the show.

Talking Dead had a great extended preview of next week's ep where Michonne is about to pull the bag off Penny's head...can't wait!!!
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on November 26, 2012, 09:31 PM
I really liked the episode but the hermit bothered me...

A) He's about a mile or less from Woodbury.  How has he gone unnoticed by THEM?  They seem to have a pretty good perimeter set up around the outskirts of the town itself...  limited walker activity and all, the wind chime trap thing (maybe multiples of them, if they're wise), and so forth.  So how did a survivor in a cabin get past them all this time?

B) How'd he survive?  I got the impression he was maybe living off a dead dog...  maybe...  but really how did he survive the whole time without getting eaten, even if he could avoid the town?  He's a little off kilter it seemed, and maybe not the best state of mind to make good decisions.

C) He didn't appear to have much in the way of gear besides his shot gun...  Again, how did he survive?

Maybe he was delusional from lack of food?  Maybe the dog was his pet and he was just laying there waiting to die?  Weird weird weird.

Couldn't agree with you more, Bill, on the redshirt feeling for Otis (I think that's his name, they've only mentioned it once or twice so I keep forgetting he and the little weasly guy's name).  He even ran slower and killed sloppier...  Dude's definitely NOT on the same page as the other 3 attempting to infiltrate Woodbury.  I like that he's clearly not as adept at this as they are, but at the same time it gives little hope to him to survive going against the living, much less the dead.

Also agree with you Tracy, on Andrea.  If Twitter's any indication I'd say we're in the vast majority with that opinion on her and the direction her character has gone, as she addressed it today saying there's payoff and she's good, blah blah blah.  We'll see.  She's not the writer and it's my understanding their scripts and future aren't really known much beyond the episode they're working on.

I'd love to see a map of the area to know where the major landmarks are...  From Atlanta outward, kind of like the Middle Earth map for LOTR/Hobbit, it'd be a nice point of reference to let you know where Woodbury is in conjunction to the farm, to the prison, to the military convoy, to the CDC, and so on.  It would be interesting to me anyway.  I like knowing where I'm at.

I'd also like to know, what is around the entire town of Woodbury, that keeps it safe?  There can't possibly be one small road into the town and the entire town is tall building upon building side-by-side and around in a U shape.  Kinda curious what the rest of the town looks like, how big it is, etc.  Curious how Rick & Co. are going to get in.

Darryl's presence is an interesting point of contention going forward...  he's built a definite family-type bond with the group, but now seeing true blood relatives in the opposing group is a huge bump in the road.  The preview hinted at it, but it's something I guess completely foreign to even the comic fans since Darryl's not in them from my understanding.  It'll be very interesting to see how that plays out.  Darryl could break some hearts coming up I think, haha.

I hate thinking about who's dead meat before the mid-season break...  I have my picks though.  Two in particular.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Angry Ewok on November 26, 2012, 10:07 PM
More thong.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on November 26, 2012, 10:37 PM
Anyone else freeze frame that?  Little pervy on my part huh? *sigh*

This was probably the best T&A episode ever, have to admit that.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Angry Ewok on November 27, 2012, 06:29 AM
Feel free to post a JPG of that, by the way.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Diddly on November 27, 2012, 08:08 AM
The gifs are apparently all over Google, though I haven't found any yet. :-X

Well the pieces are finally coming together on this season... much better episode than the past few, which were basically 35 minutes of slow, and 10 minutes of awesome. BUT I DIGRESS...

Am I the only one who hates Woodbury and all of its characters? I hate the Governor, but for all of the wrong reasons, and I wish they'd kill him off quickly just so I wouldn't have to sit through his boring segments. Same with the Scientist dude. I thought he was interesting at first, what with his appearing to be against Governor's plans, but he's kind of lost his luster. Michonne is only interesting when she's slicing dudes up, otherwise she's "generic angry young woman #859169813."

The Maggie rape... quite possibly the toughest segment to watch in the show's short history. Maggie's hot, but still...

I'm thinking Rick and Co are going to easily take Woodbury until they get to the core of the Governor and his bodyguards. Most of Woodbury appears to be kids and people who have probably never held a weapon. I mean, could you IMAGINE Olympics Bow Girl going up against Rick or Daryl?

Great episode of Talking Dead this week too, with CM Punk and some chick from the show Community. It was mainly awesome because you could tell that they ACTUALLY ARE FANS OF THE SHOW, bringing up stuff from past episodes and how they could relate to the present season. Good stuff, and the show would be much more tolerable if they had more guests like these.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Mikey D on November 27, 2012, 09:56 AM
I wanted to see boobies.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Master_Phruby on November 27, 2012, 10:00 AM
I wanted to see boobies.

I thought that was your signature.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Sybeck1 on November 27, 2012, 01:27 PM
So a scouting party is being sent to the prison. Wonder if Merle is part of it and when he leaves that is when Darryl sees his brother, and him and Rick have to have a heart to heart about loyalty. Would be a good time to hit Woodbury then. So that leaves Carl to defend the bunkhouse if the search party shows up. Does his twenty something teen crush know how to shoot? Andrea is hot (I thought that during her stint on the Shield)
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on November 27, 2012, 04:34 PM
Olympic bow girl shoots at Darryl, he catches it out of the sky and shoots her in the face with the same arrow.  That's about how I'd see that playing out.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: JediJman on November 27, 2012, 06:32 PM
I liked the last episode, but yeah, some tough scenes to watch there.  The tied up Glenn versus Zombie was excellent, and I liked that they took time to have Scientist guy researching the zombies, since the Gov clearly wants to know what remains of his Penny.  I'm enjoying all of the characters, even Andrea, as they're coming down to making characters choose their loyalties.  It will be interesting to see where Merle and Darryl net out, as well as Andrea with the coming confrontation.  I'm also pretty impressed that Glenn and Maggie held up so long without giving the prison location.  I think most people would have caved sooner given everything that was thrown at them.

I think we'll see Rick and company escape with Maggie and Glenn, hopefully Andrea as well once she learns about Penny or the Talking Heads collection.  I'd like to see the scientist guy go with them as well.  The Gov probably loses a couple of men, but now he knows where the rest of the group is held up.  So, rather than Carl having to fight off the scouting party, I think we'll see Rick and company make it back and have to defend an all out assault on the prison compound from the Gov in the second half of the season.  Would be cool to see those big guns go up against the prison defenses.  I'm a little worried about Rick's group's size though - they have Darryl, who rocks, but in the comic that group would still have Lori, Tyreese, Dale, Andrea, etc. to help defend the prison.

It will be interesting to see what they do with all the woodbury folks.  Most of them seem like non-fighters, but the Gov says they started with just nine.  That would seem to imply the majority of the town is made up of various survivors, who should be far from helpless.  Given this and their love of the arena, you have to wonder if there's more fight in those people than expected.  On the flip side, I wonder how loyal any of them really are to the Gov if they find out about Penny or the Talking Heads or any of the other crap going on with the Gov. 

Anxious to see where they go next, but I hope the second half of the season ends things with the Gov, gets them moving beyond the prison, and focuses more on Andrea, Michonne, and Tyreese character development. 
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: jedipurge on November 28, 2012, 01:48 PM
i'm loving this season

few thots on last couple of things

back to lori, kinda, wasn't that a bullet that Rick found on the ground when he first walked into the room?  can't imagine zombies knawing on her and spitting that out especially if that bullet was in in her skull.  now i suppose that the bullet could have exited when carl shot her and thats just wear it landed, but i still got this nagging feeling that she's coming back zombiefied.  more then likely she'll be dragging her lower half like the the first zombie rick stumbled across in season 1. 

as michonne goes i'm lovin her, but her swordsmanship i don't know how good she actually is.  i'm no swordsman, even tho i do own a sword, but i'm pretty sure i could do what she's doing.  if u have a sharp enough sword it can't be too hard to cut thru rotting zombies.  thats not to say she doesn't skills, afterall she did get the drop on  Merle and his goons.  But a "swordsman" is someone with ability to go toe to toe with someone else tht has a sword, I look to the show Revolution for some basic swordsmanship.

i'm loving glen more now then ever, that was some bad-ass-ness.  He almost went Black Widow from Avengers with his chair fitting skills.  But that goes to show how stupid Merle is to send that zombie in there after not getting any info out of him first.

best thing for the grp left behind at the prison would be to let the scouting party come on in.  gotta think how hard would it be to for scouting party to try and find them in that prison in the first place.  let the scouting party wonder around a bit and start locking the doors behind them till basically their locked in the prison, then wait them out.  Carls grp knows the prison well enough by now that they could probably pick them off 1 by one in there versus some sort of assault of the prison and defending it.

the wait between midseason finale and the next new episodes are always killer.  :P
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Diddly on December 2, 2012, 10:18 PM
Holy crap, AWESOME mid season finale tonight. And they replaced the new black guy with another black guy so quickly, I hardly even noticed!

LESBIAN CAROL!
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on December 2, 2012, 10:30 PM
Yeah...Oscar, we hardly knew ya. I almost thought Andrea was gonna kill him.

Tyrese and friends literally walk into the story. Wonder how that part of the prison was destroyed. For a second I thought that the opening may have been  set in future, sometimes after a confrontation between the Woodburies and Rick's people...but not the case.

Governor got Michowned! HA!

Andrea...an tool as usual.

Did Daryl let himself be captured?

Carl, The Law in the Apocalypse.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Angry Ewok on December 3, 2012, 07:27 AM
Like I said on Facebook, the new token negro is a better actor than most of the cast - I hope we have this guy for a while.

Decent episode. Absurd gunplay, someone must be reloading the ammo for everyone and their cousin to shoot as wildly as they do. Must have attracted a lot of Walkers.

Speakings of awful actors, I loved that Michonne got her ass kicked. Maybe now she'll show us a different look than "confused" and "frown"...
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BillCable on December 3, 2012, 09:33 AM
Can I call a red shirt or can I call a red shirt?

I don't quite get the governor's "We gotta go out and kill every outside settlement" position.  Seems like a waste of resources and an expensive sacrifice of soldiers.  I can see attacking the Army group for equipment, but invading the prison to give it back to the walkers?  Makes very little sense.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Greg on December 3, 2012, 09:43 AM
Can I call a red shirt or can I call a red shirt?

Oscar might as well have been wearing a red jumpsuit, and it looks like there are three more reds with Tyrese's group.

I don't quite get the governor's "We gotta go out and kill every outside settlement" position.  Seems like a waste of resources and an expensive sacrifice of soldiers.  I can see attacking the Army group for equipment, but invading the prison to give it back to the walkers?  Makes very little sense.

I think the Governor has problems with any groups that could challenge his authority, so he tries to take them out before they have a chance to do so. A group like Rick's, with a strong alpha male that took this prison the Governor thought was impossible to take, is going to be a huge problem in his eye. Now that Rick and his group attacked Woodbury first, the Governor will be out for vengeance and I think everyone in Woodbury, not just the thugs, will be falling in line behind him.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on December 3, 2012, 10:08 AM
Spoiler: If you caught the Talking Dead preview for the next episode (in february), it looks like Tyrese's pals are headed in the death wish direction.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on December 3, 2012, 10:34 AM
Literally watched the whole episode on the edge of my seat. A total buffet of awesomeness!

What I Liked:

Tyreese FTW!

Penny Eating a Sword!

Michonne shanking the Governor in the eye!

Glenn and Maggie killing people with walker bones!

Born-again Carl not doing stupid things!

Phillip turning on Merle!

Wolverine-Shane cameo!

What I Didn't Like:

Seriously, keep your eyes on Axel! Sure, we all laughed when he called Carol a lesbian, but...

Oscar, we hardly knew ye!

Andrea, she is single-handedly the WORST part of this show now. I mean, really? The wall of walker heads in aquariums wasn't ENOUGH of a tip-off for you? WHAT ARE YOU STILL DOING THERE IDIOT?!?!?!

Michonne not taking 2 seconds to tell Andrea "Oh, BTW I'm here with Rick and your boys"

Darryl not pleading his case to the crowd at the end. Dude, try telling them you weren't a terrorist and you were just trying to get Glenn and Maggie back?

Those dipshits with Tyreese. They need to kill ALL those losers, especially the mouthy woman. February can't come soon enough!

Talking Dead was really good too...always nice to see Damon Lindelof from LOST. (Not Penny's Boat!) Kirkman was excellent as usual. They helped clear up at least one question I had - why would the Gov turn on Merle like that at the end? (Answer: he's pissed that Merle lied about killing Michonne and blames him)

Good, good stuff. Although I do think that being stabbed in the eye with a jagged piece of glass would be a little more incapacitating than what he was emoting.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Sybeck1 on December 3, 2012, 10:44 AM
New black woman will be the first to go. Too many of those now.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Angry Ewok on December 3, 2012, 08:26 PM
G's up, hoes down.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on December 3, 2012, 10:09 PM
They need to ease up on the cannon/walker fodder a little. This thing running into new people or vice-versa every other episode just so some one disposable can get shot or eaten is tedious. Think about, this season is half over and they've encounted 3 other groups of survivors (Woodbury, Prisoners, Tyreese's group) and one loner (hermit). I'm not even counting the national guard, since only the Governer's people really "met" them. All of last season they encountered 2 (the farm and bar jerks' crew) and one loner (Michonne...barely).

Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: CloneF13Y35 on December 8, 2012, 12:23 PM
Really good mid-season finale, I think the coolest scene was Rick 'seeing' ghost Shane during the gun battle only to find it was another guy after the kill. I'm guessing between last weeks' tease of assaulting Maggie by the Gov and Michonne's fight with the Gov this week covers what the comics had go down (ok maybe bad choice of words) between Michonne and the Gov. But they kept the part of Glenn being locked in the next room. I also agree with the question why they have to kill off each new black guy like that, but I know Tyrese was very popular in the comics. I also noticed the little detail of Maggie shooting Oscar before they finally jump over the trucks. Somehow, I got a feeling the Gov's little 'terrorist' speech at the end with Merle and Daryl is more for the people though I would also admit he's pretty pissed at Merle for not really killing Michonne like he said he did. Merle and Daryl should be an interesting sub-plot considering they aren't even in the comics at all. Feb. 10th, two months away!
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: JediJman on December 8, 2012, 01:06 PM
I think the Governor is going to be a total hard ass from here on out.  He was nuts before, but mostly decent in public. With Penny gone, I think he could care less about anything other than revenge.  He clearly wasnt able to accept that Penny was already gone, so he's going to struggle with that loss even more than most. I can't get wait to see them use those heavy guns on the prison.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt on December 12, 2012, 06:07 AM
The Walking Dead video game they were promoting during commercials looked kinda meh

EW.com: 'The Walking Dead' dominates Spike's Video Game Awards (http://popwatch.ew.com/2012/12/07/the-walking-dead-dominates-spikes-video-game-awards/)

Quote
The Walking Dead: The Game won five trophies at Spike TV’s 10th annual Video Game Awards, including the top prize of Game of the Year. The downloadable game, based on the hit comic-book series, also earned Telltale Games Studio of the Year.

Game of the Year
The Walking Dead: the Game

Studio of the Year
Telltale Games

Best Performance by a Human Female
Melissa Hutchison as Clementine, The Walking Dead: The Game

Best Adapted Video Game
The Walking Dead: The Game

Best Downloadable Game
The Walking Dead: The Game

Best "Kinda Meh"-Looking Game
The Walking Dead: The Game

Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: JediJman on December 12, 2012, 08:33 AM
Is the show returning in early Feb or late Feb?  I am going thru withdrawl.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Diddly on December 12, 2012, 02:08 PM
The week after the Super Bowl
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: CHEWIE on December 14, 2012, 03:03 PM
I also agree with the question why they have to kill off each new black guy like that

My theory on why they keep killing people is because in the books, Rick's group at this point isn't too big or strong - they are almost always outnumbered, so on the TV series they don't let the group seem dominant either.

The producers may also want to have a representation of other races on the show and are trying to represent the population of the state of Georgia to a degree (about 30% of that state is black), as that's where the location is set right now, while at the same time introducing new characters that are not in the books.

In today's politically sensitive society, maybe they're damned if they don't, damned if they do when it comes to race. When a white person is killed off, it's not talked about in terms of race (just like it really shouldn't be).  There's really not too many black people in the comics anyway, and T-Dog never was even part of it.  I liked his character though and didn't want to see him or Oscar die, but it's a show about death.  A lot of people are going to die.  Very few are safe regardless of their race.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Chris M on December 14, 2012, 04:14 PM
A lot of people are going to die.  Very few are safe regardless of their race.

True dat!!!  I think the only person safe on the show is Rick.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Force Guy on December 15, 2012, 12:32 AM
Here's a video & song I came up with for the best show ever.  Enjoy!

Hazmat Morgan - The Walking Dead (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mge-RUBm8bY)
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: CloneF13Y35 on December 16, 2012, 11:40 AM
Is the show returning in early Feb or late Feb?  I am going thru withdrawl.

It'll be back Feb 10, and they announced the Talking Dead show will now immediately follow it and is going to be an hour long.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Sybeck1 on December 16, 2012, 03:28 PM
So many little things are coming to mind and I walked the finale again.

Axel - Has anyone bothered to ask what he was in the pen for? I mean come on, he could quite possibly be a pedophile.

The Governor lost six guns that night including Merle. How big is their little army? This is really moving too for me, as I hate them moving past the prison so quick? He is off his rocker now. Darryl needs to escape and get his signature crossbow back.

Just how much ammo do they have? This is getting crazy the amount of lead flying. And why wasn't the woods full of walkers after that firefight?
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: CHEWIE on December 16, 2012, 03:51 PM
So many little things are coming to mind and I walked the finale again.

Axel - Has anyone bothered to ask what he was in the pen for? I mean come on, he could quite possibly be a pedophile.

The Governor lost six guns that night including Merle. How big is their little army? This is really moving too for me, as I hate them moving past the prison so quick? He is off his rocker now. Darryl needs to escape and get his signature crossbow back.

Just how much ammo do they have? This is getting crazy the amount of lead flying. And why wasn't the woods full of walkers after that firefight?

Have you read the books at all?  Just curious.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on December 17, 2012, 02:46 AM
On Axel and being in the prison, I thought he said being in for drugs?  And the Oscar didn't seem to dispute that.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on December 17, 2012, 09:15 AM
Guys in prison typically do not know what other guys are in there for, so Oscar probably had no clue one way or the other. Axel did say he was incarcerated for drugs, but take the word of a con for what it is.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: efranks on December 17, 2012, 09:42 AM
There was definitely some creepiness to Axel when he was talking to Beth but then after Carol pulled him aside he made the comment about thinking she was gay.  When she said she wasn’t, he seemed a little more interested in her before she shut him down.  So I think there was a moment there where it could have gone one way then didn’t.  I think it wasn’t so much he’s a pedophile as, like he said, he hadn’t seen a woman in a long time and started with the one he thought the most available.

But here’s a fun tidbit; the chick that plays Beth?  She’s about 27.

   E...
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on December 17, 2012, 02:52 PM
That's like that Sabrina the Teenage Witch chick...  forget her name, but just saw her in a dismal Lifetime movie the other day.

Anyway, way older than a teenager IIRC, during the filming of her TV show.  Weirded me out she was that old.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on December 18, 2012, 11:34 AM
This should tide everyone over until next year.

The Walking Dead Christmas Special (http://youtu.be/4VKHZDwfY6k)
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on December 22, 2012, 12:09 PM
AMC renewed the series for season 4, no surprise, but....Executive producer Glen Mazzara to leave zombie drama after Season 3
 (http://social.entertainment.msn.com/tv/blogs/tv-buzz-blog.aspx?blog=2080&feat=090e2f9c-c0f5-4d8d-8ea6-1ee31962f63a%3Fgt1)

Amicable or not, it's not great news to lose executive producers two seasons in a row.  What is Kirkman or AMC's vision for the show?
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Sybeck1 on January 20, 2013, 07:36 PM
http://www.inquisitr.com/484268/the-walking-dead-new-video-trailer-and-spoilers-video/

New preview, just three weeks away
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: JediJman on January 20, 2013, 09:50 PM
Amicable or not, it's not great news to lose executive producers two seasons in a row.  What is Kirkman or AMC's vision for the show?

Kirkman has always said that his intent is to provide a very LONG story about what happens after the infestation.  I imagine he plans to follow a fairly similar storyline to what appeared in the comics, though exploring/altering/building additional subplots and characters.  With the material that's out there now, they have enough for at least 3-4 more full seasons, and they'll have another 40 issues of the comic to feed from when they're done with that.  I'm not sure why the EPs keep leaving, but it isn't for lack of a long term plan.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BrentS on February 9, 2013, 11:44 PM
I've been catching bits and pieces of the Walking Dead marathon on AMC today. Getting pretty excited for the mid-season premiere.

Unrelated, I was at Barnes and Noble tonight and saw some of the walking dead Graphic Novels. I had no idea they were black and white only illustrations. I just assumed they were in color.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: CloneF13Y35 on February 10, 2013, 10:37 AM
yep all the original comics are b/w but they have released certain ones in color. I think they are also airing a special b/w tv premier thurs nite of the very first tv episode in b/w as well. getting ready for the first half season 3 marathon today before the start of the second part of the season tonite.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on February 10, 2013, 10:42 AM
I'm taking Daryl over Merle tonight...straight up, forget the spread.  :D
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Diddly on February 10, 2013, 10:06 PM
What the heck was that?  ???
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on February 10, 2013, 10:46 PM
At the end? Yeah, weird-o-rama. I was really pulling for the Rick/Tyreese bromance to blossom tonight, guess it was not to be.

The first 6 minutes were complete awesomeness. Epic chaos. And then later I was glad to see them all realize that bringing Merle back into the group was just not possible. That's the kind of weak crap lesser shows would throw together just for the contrived drama. Welcome to your new spin-off show "Walking Dixons"...

Not sure I am getting what's up between Glenn and Maggie. Just general PTSD tension? Seems like he was more pissed at Rick, which again seems kind of misplaced.

Those 2 white dudes with Tyreese and his lady look like some prime walkerbait.

Crazy-ass Rick though, what can you say...let's hope this does not last long because I was just getting used to born-again badass Rick.

Best hour I spend in front of the TV all week!
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on February 10, 2013, 11:37 PM
Thank goodness loud mouthed exposition Merle filled Rick in on goings on. 

Ghost of Christmas Past came to see Rick. All it takes is a baby crying to trigger his muh-muh-muh-mad-madness...

I think we will see Two spin-offs:

Already mentioned, The Walking Dixons...sounds cool, until we learn that half the episodes are flashbacks to their childhood with Donna Dixon as their mother.

The Michonne Ranger...she's out there on her own...alone. Most episodes have no dialouge. They later add a native american sidekick,  Grunto, who is a  zombie, of course.

Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Diddly on February 11, 2013, 02:50 AM
Link for Jesse James: Hines Ward Zombie (http://comicbook.com/blog/2013/02/10/the-walking-dead-mid-season-premiere-yes-that-zombie-is-hines-wards/)
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Tracy on February 11, 2013, 08:30 AM
Anyone catch The Talking Dead last night?  I want to personally thank fanboy Kevin Smith for christening Carl "Wyatt Twerp"

Best part of Walking Dead last night?  Daryl grabbing his bow on the way out of Woodberry.   
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BillCable on February 11, 2013, 09:14 AM
Link for Jesse James: Hines Ward Zombie (http://comicbook.com/blog/2013/02/10/the-walking-dead-mid-season-premiere-yes-that-zombie-is-hines-wards/)

I'd seen images of Ward Zombie online, but wasn't sure if you'd be able to point him out in the show.  Didn't know he'd get his own solo moment like that.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BrentS on February 11, 2013, 10:00 AM

I'd seen images of Ward Zombie online, but wasn't sure if you'd be able to point him out in the show.  Didn't know he'd get his own solo moment like that.

Was he the one that stuck his head through the "fence" at Woodbury?  I thought it might have been him given the "solo" moment.

I enjoyed the show last night quite a bit.  The first segment was riveting.  I did think it was awfully convenient that Darryl was able to get his bow back so easily! I hope crazy-Rick comes around and starts this reported bromance with Tyresse.  Tyresse looks like he'd be a good character for the show/group. 

Having said all that (and I haven't read the graphic novels at all), I hope that the writers are able to turn some of the story back into struggling to survive against the Zombies... I'm less interested in a fued between Rick's group and the Govenah.  Maybe, I'm in the minority about this.

Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BillCable on February 11, 2013, 11:10 AM
Different zombie.  Hines is on the left here, and the peeking zombie is on the right.

(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-bimzxa6A4ZM/UQro0HsX_qI/AAAAAAAACbE/9UJO4ZXIKDk/s320/Hines+Wards+Zombie+Friends.jpg)

In Hines' scene he was standing by himself, they showed him for about 4 seconds.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: bobafett14 on February 11, 2013, 01:31 PM
A) The Hines Ward came was just great!
B) I would have rather seen daryll have to knock the guy out and as the guy falls, have the loded crossbow pop up in the air, he catches it, spins and nails a walker.  vs. just grabbing it off of him.  It still works as sort of a "gimme that" moment and all, but I thought it could have been a little better.

Good epsiode, sets a lot of things up for the season.

   
 
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on February 11, 2013, 10:44 PM
Link for Jesse James: Hines Ward Zombie (http://comicbook.com/blog/2013/02/10/the-walking-dead-mid-season-premiere-yes-that-zombie-is-hines-wards/)

Thanks man...  Yeah I saw his pic back, a month ago anyway on Twitter, so I've been anxious to see if he had a good solid scene, and he does.

I like to think he actually has been zombified and that was him. :)  Celebs are zombies too.

He played, I believe college ball, with T-Dawg so that's the correlation there I guess.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on February 11, 2013, 10:46 PM
Oh and wholely separate rant about the episode of Talking Dead this week...

I HATE Kevin Smith at this point...  I used to think his movies were ok but to me they're really not as great as they're made out to be among our little world of geeks.  They're sub-par to me.

Take that out of the equation...  He IS the quintessential "fanboy" to the point I find him somewhat embarassing...  He's loud, obnoxious, thinks everything he says/does is important and it's not...  I just dont' like him at this point.  Saddened me to find out he's also a bit of a Spike Lee, in that I guess if you criticize him much or his work, he gets really pissy about it...  Heard that more than once.

He's a guy I truly hope doesn't get his pudgy digits anywhere near new Star Wars...  He's the type of guy that'll ruin it.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on February 11, 2013, 11:30 PM
Does he any own any shirts besides hockey jerseys?
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: evenflow on February 12, 2013, 12:16 AM
I thought this week's episode was a bit boring to be honest. I get that i am sure it is a set up episode but was hoping for a bigger episode.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on February 12, 2013, 01:02 AM
I won't say I was bored, but I wasn't on the edge of my seat like usual...  The scariest moment of the episode was the screaming in woodbury...  one dude got ate?  Eh, it happens.

I think his closet must be like Nancy's from Nancy & Sluggo in that there's all the same Islanders jersey.  He's in the same one in every episode or commercial for that comic book show I ever have caught a wiff of.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: JediJman on February 12, 2013, 02:07 AM
Finally caught the mid-season premiere tonight.  Pretty good episode, though it sucks to see Daryl split from the group.  The prison is looking pretty weak with the Dicksons and Andrea out, new recruits on their way out, Michonne banged up and on her way out, and Rick losing his mind.  I know Wyatt Twerp is badass, but he's not badass enough to defend the prison himself.  They need to get Andrea and Science guy out of Woodbury and back over the prison, and hopefully the Dickson's make there way back too.  I'm a little tired of Merle - hopefully he can redeem himself by saving Daryl in some future episode by paying the ultimate price. 

I thought the writing for the Governor was a little weak.  He starts out pitting the Dicksons against each other and won't end it because it's "what the people want."  Then when they escape, he does a complete 180 and could care less about even talking to anyone in town.  Seems like a pretty radical change in behavior for no reason.  If his motive is revenge, he's going to need people on his side to attack the prison, no? 
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: bobafett14 on February 12, 2013, 10:39 AM
I caught the Hines Ward moment.  Pretty cool, ad neatto see him get in there.  I was listening to a few minutes of my local news this morning and they mentioned that T-Dog was an old teamate of Hine's and supposedly helped get him into that cameo.

Pretty neat.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on February 12, 2013, 02:24 PM
There was also a Heinz 57 cameo when they ran out of fake blood and had to borrow some ketchup from the food trailer.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on February 12, 2013, 10:03 PM
What I think will happen in the rest of the season. They'll kidnap the science guy from Woodbury, force him to construct a small nuclear bomb out of materials found only in the prison. But some one is a spy, let's say Carol (she's still mad about Sofia), so the Governor gets wise and attacks. Half of Rick's group dies (the left half), but the rest escape with the bomb and catapult the nuke into Woodbury (Carl had found a book "Medieval Warfare for Dummies" in the prison library, so making a catapult was no problem.)

The governor somehow escapes in the nick of time, but gets bitten by walkers. He injects himself with an experimental vaccine the science guy was working on (never mentioned before the episode). He becomes half undead with the ability to communicate and command the walkers. By the next day, Rick's group is surrounded by a horde with no escape...

Then Rick wakes up. It was a dream.  He looks in the mirror and...half-zombie Governor behind him! OMG!  :o

It's all edited in a way that we are unsure at what point in time Rick woke. Just after arriving at the prison? The farm? CDC? The hospital?
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: bobafett14 on February 14, 2013, 11:38 AM
Disney is now in the works to buy AMC... in the season finale I heard Boba Fett is rumored to swoop in and take everyone out!

Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: JediJman on February 14, 2013, 04:31 PM
Disney is now in the works to buy AMC... in the season finale I heard Boba Fett is rumored to swoop in and take everyone out!

That's totally ridiculous.  Who would be paying him?   ;)
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Ghost of QG on February 17, 2013, 11:20 PM
The last ten minutes kicked it up another notch tonight!!!
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on February 17, 2013, 11:26 PM

On Talking Dead Kirkman said this was the series finale. Too bad. Oh, he was joking.

Not manning a guard tower is really dumb. Good guys are dumb. They cannot hear, either. Or the Governor has a stealth pick-up.

Michonne practically let that guy walk past her. Why didn't they immediately shoot at that van? They just wait for the baclk to open so the Gauntlet monster generator inside can churn out walkers.

Glenn's truck must've been telported onto the road...because there's little reason for his dumbfounded reaction. Guns are loud. Did he have the stereo turned up all the way?

Rick envisions Lori wearing a backless white gown for some reason. Classy crazy train.

Apparently there's a show limit on creepy rednecks, too. Axel might as well have been dead already, because almost everytime he offered to help, he'd get turned down. (interesting the actor that played him said he auditioned for a serial killer that would've kidnapped one of the women, Beth, maybe).

Not that it was a bad episode. It was better than last week. The rescue of the bridge people seemed odd...if only because running into anyone alive in the open seems weird at this point.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: evenflow on February 17, 2013, 11:59 PM
Much better than last week. Last 10 min rocked. The gov. seemed to having a lot of fun and very little care about getting shot. Good times.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: JediJman on February 18, 2013, 12:27 AM
Another great episode tonight.  I was just waiting for the Gov to pop up.  I don't get why they didn't have someone in the guard tower - in the book that was Andrea's role, but clearly someone in the group could shoot.  The book also has Dale's RV blocking the main gate, which would have prevented the ice cream truck of doom.  I was okay with the sit and watch reaction though - I'm sure they thought the gate made them safe and were wondering if the truck contained friend or foe.  I don't get why the Governor stopped shooting though.  As soon as everyone's out in the open he decides to trust that the walkers will get them?  Surprised he didn't pull the full comic book villain and yell out his master plan as the zombies sprung free. 

The Axel death was a shocker.  He does sneak off and kill some of the women in the comics, so I'm sure the writers switched that one around to surprise the fans of the book.  He would have been too predictible as a killer from within and the group's spread pretty thin as it is until Tyreese gets back.  Speaking of which, were they too far away to hear all of the gunfire?  I wonder where they snuck off to...
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Diddly on February 18, 2013, 04:19 AM
Heh, I was starting to grow an interest in Axel, but of course the Walking Dead Rule went into effect; any character given unusual amounts of talking time bites the dust. I thought it was funny how that one episode Axel is hitting on Hershel's other daughter (never can remember her name) and then last week she says she always wanted a baby. I was waiting for Axel to pop up and go "helloooooooooo" or something, ha. Sucks to be Carol too, she finally appears happy and then BOOM.

Last 10 minutes were awesome, and I totally didn't see it coming. I figured the big assault would be the last 2 episodes or something. I guess the Governor used his infinite ammo cheat? :P

"He's Korean!" Awesome segment with Daryl and Merle. Really pointed out how the younger, "weaker" brother has become the superior.

Reddit says that the same music being played when Rick saw Lori was the same music played in Season 1 when Morgan saw his zombified wife.

Did I miss something as to why Glenn and Maggie are fighting? Feels like they got rescued and all of a sudden hate each other. I guess the writer who gets drunk and always shows up to work late is now writing their storyline now that Lori is "gone"?

And what happened to that other group? I assume they're coming back but they've all but vanished.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on February 18, 2013, 09:25 AM
I think a woman must be writing the Maggie/Glenn storyline because every guy I have talked to does not get WTF her problem is either. Why is she SO mad at him?

The only thing I can think of is that she seems to think he is more worried about whether she was actually raped than whether she is ok or not. Like he is hung up on the details or something and missing the bigger picture. They're both acting stupid though, which I guess you have to chalk up to PTSD. At least Mags is starting down the healing path with the baby-feeding and all.

And WTF was Glenn during the big shoot-out anyway? Agreed he should have heard the shots and shown up a lot faster.

I don't understand how Mr Sunglasses ended up in the Guard Tower anyway. Wouldn't you have to be inside the fence to get up there? I'm glad they finally killed him at least, I kept thinking "they are wasting a TON of ammo and not hitting ANYONE".

I figured we would get more out of the Walking Dixons subplot, but whateves. I liked the cutaway shot as they were walking off the bridge - Darryl was right, it WAS Yellow Jacket Creek. Ain't nothing wrong with HIS sense of direction! I agree it seemed weird to see other survivors at this point.

I'm getting to the point where any of the scenes in Woodbury now just bore me. I just don't care about Andrea, the effeminate guy, Martinez, whoever. I figure most all of these people are going to be dead pretty soon anyway, so what's the point? Those scenes just seem to drag down the pace of the show somehow.

Just when I thought I was going to start liking Axel, BOOM! bullet to the head. Another comic-swerve, well done too, that was a shocker. That whole last sequence was crazy-awesome.

And speaking of crazy, I guess one or two episodes was not enough to drive home Rick-is-the-mayor-of-Crazytown now, so I'm guessing this will plod on the rest of the season. Ugh, I feel for the guy but get it together man! At least he 'fessed up to Hershel, first step is admitting you have a problem, bro...

Hoping we have not seen the last of Tyreese, that would be one cruel fan-tease.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: JediJman on February 18, 2013, 01:29 PM
I think I get the Glenn/Maggie thing.  Maggie was seriously abused by the Governor.  Even though he didn't go all the way, I think the way he demeaned her was just as bad.  He took away her sense of dignity and control, and she was put in that position because of Glenn.  No, Glenn didn't do anything to cause that, but he was the reason she caved and he is around to catch the blame.   Glenn also seems concerned about how far the abuse went, as though Maggie should be less traumatized that it didn't go all the way.  So we end up with Maggie feeling powerless and Glenn busy/stressed trying to organize a defense.  I'm sure she wants some sympathy and understanding while he wants her to get up and help out.  People have gotten pissy with their significant others for far less.  Maggie has some suicidal tendancies in the book - I wonder if they're taking this route to set that up?

I don't really get the guard tower bit either, but I suppose that's where they were going when Glenn asked who was on watch.  I'm guessing that's when someone slipped into the guard tower.  What happened to the driver of the Zombiemobile?  Did he get shot and I just missed it?  I didn't see anyone run back through the gate.

I also don't get why Rick/Daryl/Merle have that stranded look on the outside.  The fence was breached and there are now what 10-15 zombies between the interior and exterior fences?  Heck, they took out more than than saving Rick!  I don't get why they didn't immediately run back around to the interior fence and kill off everything that got through, then try to plug up the holes in the fence?  The longer they wait, the worse that's going to get. 

I really hope we find out where the hell Glenn went.  Can't believe he drove off like that and wasn't back sooner.  And why didn't the Governor's men take him on the way out or on the way back in?  I love that no one can hit each other in a gun fight, but people are bullseying Zombie foreheads from 100 yards.  Oh well.  I wouldn't be very happy if half the cast were killed off either I suppose.

Best part of the show was Merle and Daryl in the forrest.  I loved the arguing between the two and Daryl standing up to his brother to rescue the bridgepeople.  The scenes where we see it really is the Yellowjacket and Daryl calls Merle out for leaving him were really powerful.  My only regret is having watched the show right away.  Now I have 7 days of waiting...
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Tracy on February 18, 2013, 01:44 PM
I think a woman must be writing the Maggie/Glenn storyline because every guy I have talked to does not get WTF her problem is either. Why is she SO mad at him?

I think you just closer to answering your own question.   >:(
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Sybeck1 on February 18, 2013, 01:56 PM
Crazy Rick dropped the ball. Chasing the White Rabbit, he left his birdseye perch and his binoculars. He would have saw the Governor and could have even stopped that ice cream truck with his .223 with some shots in the windshield.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Sybeck1 on February 19, 2013, 12:27 PM
Here is possible plotline I could see. That the Governor kidnaps or attempts to kidnap Judith.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on February 19, 2013, 01:34 PM
Great episode...  Axel, man I just knew his time was finite with the group and that is a bummer because I thought perhaps they were ssetting him up to fit in, be the new "Dale" that can fix stuff...  Underappreciated necessity in a world like that.

I'm apparantly nowhere near as cheesed off about Glenn as you guys are...  Prisons can be HUGE complexes...  I gathered he was on the other side scouting.  In the truck it maybe took him some time to hear the shots even, but if he's on the other side of it, who knows how long it would take to get back to the front?  It doesn't seem to me that there's any road/path following the perimeter fence.  That doesn't bother me as much as it bothers me that he just wandered off and started acting like a bit of a prick.

Kind of agree on the whole Maggie/Glenn arc...  it's been frustrating to watch some of it.  It doesn't bother me really, it's just not interesting to me at this moment.

I agree on the shoot-out realism...  People go from zombie headshots to not able to hit much with military-grade weaponry.  It's arguable that zombies don't move fast, duck much, or whatever.  I can buy that ultimately, but the guy on the tower should've gone down fast, as should the mexican guy from Woodbury...  Neither ducked, they stood and fired.  Hell, the Governor's a perfectly black silhouette at a distance, who never moved, so Rick should've been able to easily put him down with his rifle as well.

The Speedy Delivery driver hauled ass...  Almost a ninja-esque person dressed in like armor/motocross looking gear.  Looked very small/petite to me too.  Part of me thinks whoever Speedy Delivery is, they're a more important character.  Just my opinion, but I don't think it's the last of that person we'll see.  They hauled ass out and away from the truck though and I believe to The Governor.

I didn't see The Governor change magazines once...   :-\

Hopefully Rick has his **** together...  I'm tired of his BS right now.  Axel's dead because of it.  He doesn't care, fine, but get your **** together because you have kids to think about.  Stop being a ninny.

Be interesting to see several things now going forward...

First, Andrea's interaction with the group.  She's clearly getting annoyed with Woodbury, but she's dumb enough I suppose she may stay anyway.

Second, Glenn's new role as badass.

Third, Where the other group wound up going...  On talking Dead they said the other group is NOT in the prison.  They left after Rick's freak-out and now they're who knows where.

Fourth, Darryl/Merl's melding back in.  Merl obviously is the better story as I think Darryl's back...  It's nice though to see, at times, that Merl isn't 100% bad.  That's something I LOVE about the show.  Everyone just wants to hate Merl, but he's shown flashes of humanity...  Sympathy at Andrea's sister dying, and then his brothers scars...  They humanize Merl making it hard to totally hate him.  He CAN be an asset, but he's obviously also a liability.  Like Shane you want him around for what he can accomplish but you hate to have to deal with his BS.

Wish they'd taken the Mexicans with them to the prison...  Beef up the ranks some. :P  Those people's asses are grass I'm afraid.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: name on February 19, 2013, 02:09 PM


I agree on the shoot-out realism...  People go from zombie headshots to not able to hit much with military-grade weaponry.  It's arguable that zombies don't move fast, duck much, or whatever.  I can buy that ultimately, but the guy on the tower should've gone down fast, as should the mexican guy from Woodbury...  Neither ducked, they stood and fired.  Hell, the Governor's a perfectly black silhouette at a distance, who never moved, so Rick should've been able to easily put him down with his rifle as well.



Walkers don't shoot back.  Shooting the same shuffling thing that you've been targeting for better part of the year is a routine experience.  Targeting a living thing that has (a) caught you by surprise and (b) is actively returning fire is likely to play with your nerves a little. 

I have no issue with this.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: CHEWIE on February 19, 2013, 03:28 PM
The Axel death was a shocker.  He does sneak off and kill some of the women in the comics, so I'm sure the writers switched that one around to surprise the fans of the book.  He would have been too predictible as a killer from within and the group's spread pretty thin as it is until Tyreese gets back.  Speaking of which, were they too far away to hear all of the gunfire?  I wonder where they snuck off to...

Actually, that's not Axel who murders the women.  It's Thomas - Link. (http://walkingdead.wikia.com/wiki/Thomas)
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on February 19, 2013, 03:55 PM
Walkers don't shoot back, but come on...  The Governor's fairly inept guys can stand around popping rounds off like they're rednecks out back shooting a car, but Rick and his crew ALL are kept down?

I'm sorry, it's unrealistic...  The second any of them had to reload, which was also unrealistically portrayed, you have an opportunity to fire back...  Each guy seemed to have a "zone" to cover, that seemed sort of obvious.

It's unrealistic, I'm sorry...  I'm not saying I care really, I'm just saying it's not something that can really be bs'd to believability either.  :D
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: JediJman on February 19, 2013, 03:56 PM
The Axel death was a shocker.  He does sneak off and kill some of the women in the comics, so I'm sure the writers switched that one around to surprise the fans of the book.  He would have been too predictible as a killer from within and the group's spread pretty thin as it is until Tyreese gets back.  Speaking of which, were they too far away to hear all of the gunfire?  I wonder where they snuck off to...

Actually, that's not Axel who murders the women.  It's Thomas - Link. (http://walkingdead.wikia.com/wiki/Thomas)

Good correction there.  I was just thinking Axel would fill that role since there is no Thomas in the show...
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on February 19, 2013, 06:49 PM
He revealed on Talking Dead that he actually was to be cast as a serial killer loose who does kidnap some of the group and stuff...  then he became Axel.

Who's gonna fix anything?  I guess Glenn can try but he's already got a plate overflowing I think.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on February 19, 2013, 09:03 PM
Who's gonna fix anything?  I guess Glenn can try but he's already got a plate overflowing I think.

Yeah, Andrea needs to recruit Milton over to Rick's group. The rest of Woodbury seems pretty expendable at this point.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on February 19, 2013, 09:14 PM
Hah, I don't think Milton will do well under a hood.  ;D

He was a little slimey this week...  lost some respect for him.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Diddly on February 19, 2013, 11:18 PM
RE: People being able to headshot zombies

It's the Stormtrooper effect. You have terrible aim when shooting at important or living characters, but random, nameless soldiers (or zombies) are expendable and can be taken out with ease. :P

Oh and cool callback to season 1:

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v283/DiddlySquat/5p7gomE_zpsf9e872d6.jpg)
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Greg on February 19, 2013, 11:46 PM
RE: People being able to headshot zombies

It's the Stormtrooper effect. You have terrible aim when shooting at important or living characters, but random, nameless soldiers (or zombies) are expendable and can be taken out with ease. :P

You are absolutely right, and I'm glad the stormtrooper effect was in play. Had everyone been a crack shot most of the 10 or so combatants would have been killed in the firefight and that would have been a very disappointing end to the series.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on February 20, 2013, 12:20 AM
I think I'd prefer to have seen EVERYONE NOT be a crack shot.  :)  Not just Rick's group.  That's my beef.  The Governor's douches went from fairly inept to quite efficient quickly.

Zombie Bomb was cool though...  a very solid idea.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: speedermike on February 20, 2013, 09:33 AM
It always amuses me when people say a gun fight isn't realistic.  If you haven't been in one, how can you know what goes through one's mind under such duress?

Anyway, I like this show a lot, but I really don't see it going anywhere...the group finds a nice place...things get normal...zombies overrun place...group runs...group meets other group...initial distrust and tension...eventually they get along...the group finds a nice place...zombies overrun place.

Yeah, it is somewhat logical, but it makes fro dull fiction in the long run.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Qui-Gon Jim on February 20, 2013, 09:57 AM
That is why I never say this show is about the zombies.  The zombies are the reason for the collapse of societal norms, and an ever-present danger.  This story is about the characters, and about what happens when law and order goes away, and they do a good job keeping it fresh, so while the plot on paper is repetitious, the series does not feel that way.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BillCable on February 20, 2013, 10:29 AM
Yeah, it is somewhat logical, but it makes fro dull fiction in the long run.

I haven't read the comics, but they've been able to churn out 100+ issues without losing their fan base.  They must have some original ideas in store.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on February 20, 2013, 11:01 AM
It always amuses me when people say a gun fight isn't realistic.  If you haven't been in one, how can you know what goes through one's mind under such duress?

We know some of the character have been through gunfights, yet they seem sloppy here, the Governor's attack was sloppy and who knows how many ambushes he's set up? As easily as his men took out the national guard (too easily, really), Rick's crew would be 90% dead now.

The real stretch was that the Dixon bros. made it to the prison the same day at just the right time.  TROPE A- DOPE.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Sybeck1 on February 20, 2013, 11:20 AM
I wonder if Darryl has another shirt? ???
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on February 20, 2013, 03:22 PM
It always amuses me when people say a gun fight isn't realistic.  If you haven't been in one, how can you know what goes through one's mind under such duress?

We know some of the character have been through gunfights, yet they seem sloppy here, the Governor's attack was sloppy and who knows how many ambushes he's set up? As easily as his men took out the national guard (too easily, really), Rick's crew would be 90% dead now.

The real stretch was that the Dixon bros. made it to the prison the same day at just the right time.  TROPE A- DOPE.

This... 

Gunfights aren't unreal...  WE see them on TV.  We've had them throughout history...  We know how people react.  From the OK Corral to the video'd shootout where bodyarmored thieves robbed a bank with high capacity magazines on kalishnakov's...  I think it's fair, without being in a gunfight, to make educated guesses based on reality combined with what we know from the show then and the characters.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: JediJman on February 20, 2013, 05:49 PM
Anyway, I like this show a lot, but I really don't see it going anywhere...the group finds a nice place...things get normal...zombies overrun place...group runs...group meets other group...initial distrust and tension...eventually they get along...the group finds a nice place...zombies overrun place.

Yeah, it is somewhat logical, but it makes fro dull fiction in the long run.

You should read the books.  You're right, there is a familiar cycle of "we think this place is safe, whoops it isn't."  But Kirkman has done a great job of A.) introducing non-repetitive characters and B.) demonstrating that the group learns from their previous experiences.   The next place they find will not be a prison, but they will look at it from that angle and examine "here's why this option is better" or "here's what we need to do differently this time."  OR, they will get to a new place and have some regret about what they've left behind. 

There are still dozens upon dozens of really interesting scenarios to cover.  What happens when it gets cold?  How long will the zombies last?  Do they decay to the point of inactivity?  What happens when the food runs out?  What happens when the bullets run out?  How could they fortify a camp better than the prison?  What other interesting survivors will they meet up with?  Will they trust them?  Is there a cure?  Can they rebuild?  I just read this month's issue last night and in the letters column, Kirkman talks about the intentional slow de-evolution of this world.  Yeah, everyone has guns right now and canned food, diapers, etc.  That stuff is finite.  The characters are going to have to learn to sustain themselves beyond raids and some of their tactics are going to have to return to medevil times.  It is fascinating to see how people still place themselves into these factions and continue to fight each other instead of the larger threat.  I just find it very reflective of how people are in this day and age - more private and less trusting despite technology that allows us to communicate any time and any place.

I think that all makes for a really interesting ongoing story of survival.  I'm constantly asking myself "what would I do?" throughout the shows, and that makes it more engaging for me than anything else on TV right now.  Your mom is dying and will turn into a zombie if you don't shoot her in the head.  What would you do?  You've trusted a cop to lead your group and know he's totally off his rocker.  What would you do?  You're reunited with your brother, but have totally different values now.  What would you do?   I love the zombies and shootouts and fast pace of the storyline, but what really makes the show a success IMO is that they keep coming up with these interesting scenarios that make you question what you would do to survive while holding on to some semblance of your humanity. 
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on February 20, 2013, 07:54 PM
I have a friend, she's a huge zombie-phile, and she's pushing me to read the books so we have more to talk about with it because she's read them all...  I'm pretty sure I'll be picking up the first one soon. 

I keep getting told so many of teh aspects are different that it's worth reading them and doesn't spoil the show much.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on February 20, 2013, 10:22 PM
I just started reading them today.  It's interesting to see how thing play out differently.

So far I prefer the show, for the most part.   I think the CDC was a more interesting choice than where the group went in the comic after leaving the camp, though they could've done both in the show.

The prison looks more like a real prison in the comic, though....lots of open area around it, not some old looking place off in the woods.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Greg on February 20, 2013, 11:26 PM
I have a friend, she's a huge zombie-phile, and she's pushing me to read the books so we have more to talk about with it because she's read them all...  I'm pretty sure I'll be picking up the first one soon. 

I keep getting told so many of teh aspects are different that it's worth reading them and doesn't spoil the show much.

Just some advice Jesse: If you don't mind shelling out more money at once, go for the Compendiums. Each volume has 48 issues. It is cheaper overall than buying individual TPBs, plus once you start reading you might not be able to stop. The Compendiums mostly eliminate the need to change books. :D
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on February 21, 2013, 12:31 AM
Yeah I figure I'll go that way...  I buy SW comics in whole volumes now.  I like them looking more like actual books plus being able to just grab the one I want by the title on the spine...  All that appeals to me on stuff on my book shelf. :)
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Tracy on February 21, 2013, 08:29 AM
I also don't get why Rick/Daryl/Merle have that stranded look on the outside.  The fence was breached and there are now what 10-15 zombies between the interior and exterior fences?  Heck, they took out more than than saving Rick!  I don't get why they didn't immediately run back around to the interior fence and kill off everything that got through, then try to plug up the holes in the fence?  The longer they wait, the worse that's going to get. 


I took the last shot as being symbolic of how fractured/separated the group is becoming.  The longer they stand around and wait to fix it - the worse it's going to get......

On another note - besides the great things that everybody has brought up - there is a little thing that has been bothering me.  In the previews for this week's episode Carol is talking to Daryl about what a bad influence Merle is on him.   I like the relationship Carol and Daryl are building - albiet slowly - I just hope she doesn't turn into Lori and start nagging and harping on him about Shane.2  I like the way Carol has come into her own - I hope it's handled well - she usually has a good way of talking to Daryl.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: JediJman on February 21, 2013, 12:27 PM
I think its great that Carol is willing to risk talking to Daryl about Merle.  He seems to be realizing it on his own, but I think having someone else to lean on for a change will be good for Daryl.  I really don't see her turning into Lori, but even if she did I'd have more tolerance for the advice of an abused-widow than the wife-who-slept-with-the-best-friend.

Jesse - if you're looking to read the books, I would actually suggest the Trades over the Compendiums.  Amazon (http://"http://www.amazon.com/WALKING-DEAD-Complete-Current-Paperbacks/lm/3KMT35CVIM1KE") has the trades for $3-8 each, while the compendium is going to run you +$30.  You can get the first 7 trade for about $40.  Beyond price, I find comics in a compendium to be annoying because you have to either limit opening the book to 90 degrees or pry the binding apart to see everything.  The Trades also give you new covers and they all fit together to form an ongoing picture, which is kind of cool.  I also like how the storylines kind of wrap up a little with each trade, kind of like chapters.  It makes it easier to remember where and when events took place in the story.

If you wanted to go with the original comic format, they've also re-published a good chunk of them for $.99 a pop.  You could probably find a good chunk of them for cheap going that route, but might be more tedious trying to find individual issues. 

To each their own, but I love the trades.  I would still be buying them, but once I caught up to the current storyline I had to start getting the monthlies.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on February 21, 2013, 03:22 PM
I think that's what I was thinking of...  Like how SW comics are bound by series, but there's like CW Vol1, Vol2, etc.

That's what I prefer...  Not a giant book of everything, oh no.

Individual comics I'm not a fan of because they don't store well, and you can't pick it off your shelf and get the exact volume you want since there's no spine to them really.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: name on February 24, 2013, 09:51 PM
has anyone done the online story synch thing while watching?  It's kind of cool....but also a little distracting.
 
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Sybeck1 on February 24, 2013, 11:16 PM
Well this was mainly a filler episode, and next week looks to be also. Andrea does have a great backside though
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on February 24, 2013, 11:25 PM
Merle knows how to read. That was the most shocking revelation in the episode.

Tyreese said "stop...hammer time" on that walker. The Governor's stock greeting to newcomers...you can leave tomorrow...but think it over.

Milton is a bit of a sheepish twit, but he knows it's better to serve in heaven than reign in hell.

I was almost expecting some one to be stowed away in Andrea's car's trunk. Trojan horse play! Apparently not.

Why are they suddenly low on food at the prison?

What is Rick up to with the road trip? I mean, it's not a bad idea show-wise, because the prison and Woodbury are getting stale.

I think the trio will find a Burger King that's still open but it's serving horse meat, so they keep on driving.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on February 25, 2013, 04:41 AM
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I was almost expecting some one to be stowed away in Andrea's car's trunk. Trojan horse play!

And I wish it was me.

I almost did the story synch thing but I'm just not that ambitious.  I figure some night I'm going to watch it on In Demand, and try story synch on the gf's iPad, but I figured it would definitely throw off the experience so I'd only do it on a 2nd viewing.  :-\

I got the impression Rick was running for arms and stuff?  I don't know though...  They seem to find crap here and there.  Gonna be tough to match Woodbury's stuff, but hey, whatever.  maybe he remembers a gunshop somewhere?  Or mental noted some redneck's house?  Or maybe he figures every police station has a pile of hardware in it?

Or it's another formula run.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: name on February 25, 2013, 07:55 AM

I almost did the story synch thing but I'm just not that ambitious.  I figure some night I'm going to watch it on In Demand, and try story synch on the gf's iPad, but I figured it would definitely throw off the experience so I'd only do it on a 2nd viewing.  :-\

It was mostly a bunch of user surveys  and trivia questions about past episodes related tp the current scene.    "What should Andrea do next?" and "Maggie quoted scripture to Hershel once in season two...why?" type questions.  Cool that it was live with the broadcast but I was hoping for something more insightful or some behind the scenes info in real time.

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maybe he remembers a gunshop somewhere?  Or mental noted some redneck's house?  Or maybe he figures every police station has a pile of hardware in it?

Or it's another formula run.

He's taking Carl out to a zombie herd to drop him alone and then stand on the sidelines yelling "you want me to stop now you little ****?  Want Daryl or Hershel to take over?"
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Post by: McMetal on February 25, 2013, 10:05 AM
Yeah, this seemed like one of the obligatory "let's develop our characters" episode rather than focusing on moving the plot forward. Which I get, you have to keep things interesting.

So we got some actual emotion out of Michonne, and we all thank you for psychologically b*tch slapping Andrea because her act is just getting tiresome.

Like LOST, so much of this show hingers on people not volunteering information at the right time, and this is frustrating to me. Maggie couldn't have pulled Andrea aside for 30 seconds and said "BTW, let me clue you in on how I was treated by your man Phillip when I was in Woodbury"?

I did love Scripture-quoting Merle. Noticed they added him as a full time cast member in the credits, so I assume he will stick around for awhile. Between this and the abuse-implication last week, they seem to be making an effort to soften him up around the rough edges a little. Fine with me, dude has major screen presence and his acting is always strong.

I kinda liked the Carl-Rick talk too. I feel like the kid was just trying to get dad to give himself a break rather than busting his balls over losing it.

Zombie-curbing was terrific, right up there with the car-trunk decapitation a few weeks back.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Diddly on February 25, 2013, 01:00 PM
Beware the Governor's army of housewives and pre-pubescent asthmatic kids!

Michonne telling Andrea that she didn't tell the group anything. Understatement of the year. :P Nice reference to Zombieland with the cardio.

Why is Merle, the one-handed guy, handling the opening/closing of the gate?

Nice of the group to give Andrea the dirty, non-hybrid. Gotta keep those squeaky clean fuel efficient 2013 Hondas with 0% financing and no down payment until March 2015 for ourselves!

Oh, and Andrea brought back the "M'ASK YOU SUMTHIN'!"
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on February 25, 2013, 02:55 PM
I'd have wanted the Police/prison car.  They have reinforced transmissions and undercarriages usually, heavy duty brakes...  Other than 4WD they're little fotresses.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BrentS on February 25, 2013, 08:36 PM
Was sort of a filler episode. But I'm happy to see Rick coming back from crazytown. I had forgotten that Andrea had no idea that Shane was dead. She's been away from the crew for so long.

So on to the previews for next week... Anyone think the "shooter" in the preview for next week is Morgan from Season 1?  He's got to come back sometime??
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: evenflow on February 25, 2013, 08:49 PM
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So on to the previews for next week... Anyone think the "shooter" in the preview for next week is Morgan from Season 1?  He's got to come back sometime??
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I would like to see him back, didnt see the preview though.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on February 26, 2013, 01:06 AM
It  would make sense. Morgan would be someone that Rick failed to get killed. So he's gotta a reputation to keep. He made short work of the prisoners, half of Hershell's bunch, over half the original camp, the CDC guy....wanted to live until he met Rick's bunch.

This means Rick drives back to his home town to get one guy (and his son)? Or just happens to stumble across him, because the southeast United States is a small world, after all.

My bet is Rick plans to get the gold at Fort Knox to bribe the governor or set a trap. The governor looks like a pirate now and pirates love gold.  The season finale is a showdown on a lake between Rick's galleys, built from prison pallets, oared by walkers vs. the Governor's people on ski-doos. Rick wins because days before the epic naval engagement, he kidnaps Milton and forces him to rediscovers the secret of Greek Fire.

Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on February 26, 2013, 01:27 AM
I think you stole some of that from Waterworld.
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Post by: Sybeck1 on February 26, 2013, 12:40 PM
If Morgan does come back, remember the one black guy rule is still in effect. Tyresse either dies or Morgan would not make through a whole episode.........
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Post by: Jesse James on February 26, 2013, 01:23 PM
Woodbury seems to be allowed more than one black guy.  Racial equality and seeing Andrea semi-nude are its only redeeming features.
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Post by: Scockery on February 26, 2013, 07:27 PM
Showers and stuff.

After a week, we'd all kill Rick for a shower.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Sybeck1 on March 3, 2013, 12:03 PM
Some posts I found are saying this episode tonight will be the best one yet. That one is hard to believe. The promo is quite heartless as Rick and company fly past a lone survior walking down the road
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Tracy on March 3, 2013, 09:19 PM

So on to the previews for next week... Anyone think the "shooter" in the preview for next week is Morgan from Season 1?  He's got to come back sometime??
Good call. At first I thought it would be a little too convenient for them to run into him on a supply run - but it makes a lot more sense considering they went back to Rick's ground zero.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on March 3, 2013, 10:54 PM
Road trip!

I can't get over the fact that after all this this they're still just a short jaunt from Rickville, or wherever. So great to see Morgan again. For a dude with nothing to live for anymore, he took a lot of pains to insure his survival. All that Home Alone stuff was nuts.

Seemed like Rick got a glimpse into his future there. I felt like he was talking to himself as much as Morgan for awhile there. I had a brief hope Morgan would come back with them and we would finally get somebody into the Tyreese type supporting role, but again not to be. I do sort of feel like we haven't seen the last of him. At least he knows Rick's at the prison if he has a change of heart.

A little more Michonne still goes a long way, love how they are developing her character slowly but surely. That was one ugly ass cat though, lol.

Ultimately though, how productive was that trip? They got a few more guns, but wasted a lot of gas and ammo in the process, and still no food I would imagine. Oh, but they did pick up that sweet ass crib and the photo though, whew.

The whole thing with the hitchhiker was brutal and completely awesome.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Sybeck1 on March 3, 2013, 11:12 PM
That was a different arms locker than what was in the pilot. Why leave the high powered stuff the first time?  No extra vests lying around? Seems like between the prison and the police station there would be more kevlar.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on March 3, 2013, 11:18 PM

Seemed like Rick got a glimpse into his future there. I felt like he was talking to himself as much as Morgan for awhile there.


I almost expected Carl and Michonne to come back and find that Rick had been talking to himself the whole time.

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Ultimately though, how productive was that trip? They got a few more guns, but wasted a lot of gas and ammo in the process, and still no food I would imagine. Oh, but they did pick up that sweet ass crib and the photo though, whew.

The whole thing with the hitchhiker was brutal and completely awesome.

I would've had them pick up the hitcher and then he gets shot to death by Morgan. But instead of dying due to meeting Rick, he dies by seeing Rick. Rick is now the Flying Dutchman of the apocalypse. He might have survived, not having expended energy trying to catch them. Doubt that? He'd made it this long.

Did you catch the "Erin we've headed to..." sign at the start and the zombie girl at the car window with the bracelet that said ERIN. Was she one those the hitcher's pals?

Morgan is the exterminator of the apocalypse and anything that moves is vermin. I wondered from the "_____ Turned"  writing if he hadn't encounter other survivors who died on him (it wasn't just Duane, there were other names) or what?

Michonne gets the cat, a bar of booze and she gets an ornamental cat?

Poor Carl didn't know about the storage unit in Atlanta. What happened to those two people? Or were those webisodes just mostly meaningless in the big picture?
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: JediJman on March 4, 2013, 08:04 AM
I liked last night's episode, but it wasn't my favorite.  Hopefully the experience makes Rick a little softer.  I get wanting to protect your group from strangers, but they were all strangers in the beginning.  I would have trouble sleeping after finding the hitcher I left behind torn to pieces.  Thats cold.

Good to see Morgan, but I dont get why he went to lengths to protect his position if he has a death wish.  Clearly hes not right in the head after losing Duane (gut wrenching story there with the mom).  I did like how he was crazy-rationalizing this and that like the walkie and Rick giving him the gun.  I could see that from someone whoblamed himself for his child's death.

Michonne was fantastic.  Quickly becomming my favorite character.  Im not sure why she didnt just open the front door and take all the bar walkers in the street or kill them one by one while they went for the rats though.

The "supply run" was really about Rick getting more guns/ammo, which makes sense given how much complaining there has been about wasting bullets.  They had two big bags of guns, so I would call that a success.  You can also see them loading grocery bags in the trunk at the end, so I took it that they found some food or formula as well.
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Post by: Chris M on March 4, 2013, 08:57 AM
Agreed with the above.  I really enjoyed last nights episode.  I was a bit concerned it was just going to be a filler episode after seeing the previews, but I didn't feel it was that at all.  We did get some back story and probably some more insight into Rick's character, as well as Michonne, and even got to see a little Carl badass come out.  All in all, good solid episode.  I just wish this season were going to run more than 16 episodes.  We're almost done for the season.  Anybody have word on how long season 4 will be?
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on March 4, 2013, 09:24 AM
Forgot to mention what a terrific relief it was to have a whole episode and no momentum-sapping scenes from Woodbury. God, that storyline just sucks all the air out of this series. It is looking more and more unlikely they will wrap that all up this season too...ugh.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BillCable on March 4, 2013, 10:15 AM
I thought it was a decent episode.  Risking your life for a photograph doesn't make any sense, but maybe in a post-apocalyptic zombie world it does.  I think they should at least have had the courtesy to open the doors when they were done so the zombies could make their way towards to booby traps. 

Nice seeing Michonne acting slightly human.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Sybeck1 on March 4, 2013, 10:39 AM
You can always nit pick episodes but consider this. That walker loaded bar is only at best two blocks from where Morgan lives. Given all of the walker traps he has build he would to have cleared all local building out for materials or had at least went into a eating establishment to search for food.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on March 4, 2013, 12:49 PM
You can always nit pick episodes but consider this. That walker loaded bar is only at best two blocks from where Morgan lives. Given all of the walker traps he has build he would to have cleared all local building out for materials or had at least went into a eating establishment to search for food.

I wondered that, too. He was clearing whole blocks, but not TGI-Undeadies? We could assume most of the food inside would've gone bad besides the most basic things (flour, sugar) , and restaurants don't stock much from what i hear.

Not sure how on the ball he was anyway, even before the madness. If you couldn't off your zombie wife, you could lure her into some structure and lock her inside it. That wouldn't make for a good story. "I locked in her in tool shed, Rick. MY OWN WIFE! Locked in a cheap alluminum shack!"
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Tracy on March 4, 2013, 04:18 PM
Who knows - maybe in the beginning he cleared the dive out of what little food was in  there and then - along with Duane - lured a bunch of walkers inside to pen them up. Maybe that was how he rolled until he decided to "Clear" his world of walkers - dead or alive.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: JediJman on March 4, 2013, 05:57 PM
Who knows - maybe in the beginning he cleared the dive out of what little food was in  there and then - along with Duane - lured a bunch of walkers inside to pen them up. Maybe that was how he rolled until he decided to "Clear" his world of walkers - dead or alive.

Didn't it also seem like there was a lock on the outside?  What if Morgan caught some people sneaking in there or lured them in, then locked it from the outside.  If there were a few walkers in there or even if someone was bit, it wouldn't take long to turn the whole group into Z's.  Maybe that group hadn't been there all that long...

I would like to know where Morgan got all those weapons beyond the police station.  He had some high powered stuff and grenades.  Seems like a lot of weaponry for the middle of nowhere.  I hope Rick snagged a few of those.

I'm curious to know what others think about the hitchhiker, groups like Tyrese, etc.  If you were Rick, would you let them join up?  I get the rationale for not trusting new people or even the importance of protecting your dwindling rations, but there's also something to be said for leaving people for dead.  Or selfishly, what about absorbing other groups to swell your ranks?  Seems like a better move with the Governor's army on the horizon.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BillCable on March 4, 2013, 06:55 PM
I don't know... screaming at the top of your lungs is the mark of an idiot.  I can't imagine how dude survived 5 minutes much less a year.  So I can understand not picking up a random idiot.

However, I do agree that he should be building his army.  It was a mistake to toss out Tyrese and crew given their success in battle.  But it seems like trust issues trump common sense for Rick from time to time.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Force Guy on March 4, 2013, 08:01 PM
In a post-apocalyptic world, you just can't trust people.  You can't.  I think Rick made the right choice ignoring that hitchhiker. 
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on March 4, 2013, 10:18 PM
In a post-apocalyptic world, you just can't trust people.  You can't.  I think Rick made the right choice ignoring that hitchhiker.

Rick would be dead how many times now if it wasn't for strangers? Morgan saved him from the horrors of the new world. Glen saved him from the tank. The CDC guy let Rick and them inside (yes, he was gonna blow them up). Oscar shot Andrew instead of Rick.

Hershel saved Carl's life.

It's about circumstances. One lone guy on the road, they don't know anything about him, but the three of them...all of them are KILLERS. They know they are. After being around them 5 minutes, the backpacker's the one who'd have feared them.  And they could've merely dropped him off in town...for Morgan to shoot.  :P

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I don't know... screaming at the top of your lungs is the mark of an idiot.  I can't imagine how dude survived 5 minutes much less a year.  So I can understand not picking up a random idiot

Could be that he was desperate. Like, say Rick's group has been at how many times now?

Did none of those cars in the middle of the road run, though? That's what I wondered? Why didn't he hide in a ride, at least.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: name on March 4, 2013, 10:46 PM
I'm confused on geography by this episode.  They're close enough for an afternoon ride back to their hometown but far enough away that Rick...who was law enforcement...was unaware of the existence or location of the prison???   Makes zero sense. 
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: JediJman on March 4, 2013, 10:51 PM
In a post-apocalyptic world, you just can't trust people.  You can't.  I think Rick made the right choice ignoring that hitchhiker.

Rick would be dead how many times now if it wasn't for strangers? Morgan saved him from the horrors of the new world. Glen saved him from the tank. The CDC guy let Rick and them inside (yes, he was gonna blow them up). Oscar shot Andrew instead of Rick.

Hershel saved Carl's life.

It's about circumstances. One lone guy on the road, they don't know anything about him, but the three of them...all of them are KILLERS. They know they are. After being around them 5 minutes, the backpacker's the one who'd have feared them.  And they could've merely dropped him off in town...for Morgan to shoot.  :P

EXACTLY.  Somehow Rick is constantly relying on the generosity of others to survive, but he can't be bothered to trust others.  You'd think he would take them in, then put them through some kind of test.  Maybe leave them with an unloaded gun and the opportunity to screw the others over.  If they pass, you take them in - if they try to screw you over, you get rid of them. 
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: JediJman on March 4, 2013, 11:23 PM
I'm confused on geography by this episode.  They're close enough for an afternoon ride back to their hometown but far enough away that Rick...who was law enforcement...was unaware of the existence or location of the prison???   Makes zero sense.

That's a great point.  I was thinking about the distance as an issue too, but it isn't totaly implausible.  I live in Minneapolis and often drive to Madison, WI.  The drive is about 4.5 hours straight through.  Now I would bet that Minneapolis cops don't know a lot about Madison area prisons, and the fact that Rick was small town might indicate that he'd know even less. 

So, assume they found a state map in the prison or on the road indicating where they were and the fastest route to get back to Rick's hometown.  Let's say it's roughly 4.5 hours away.  They could hit the road around 6:00am and get to RickTown by 10:30.  That gives them a solid 3-4 hours to hang in bright daylight.  If they left at 2:30, they'd still get back to the prison by 7:00, so not all that unreasonable.  And this all assumes they're driving the speed limit.  If the interstate is clear, they could make even better time. 
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on March 5, 2013, 12:03 AM
I loved the episode really...  It was a very important one to the group's growth, and cohesion.  Here's some random thoughts I have though...

Totally loved the way they ignored the hitchhiker, only because that's the group in a nutshell at that point...  Carl looks over, but Michonne and Rick, f it...  Carl still has the innocence in him that believes people can be good and you should help, and that's his growing up in this world whereas the others are dealing with the world from the totally separate adult perspective.  Trust noone...

Talking Dead said this season's got a theme of "you can't survive alone", and this episode was very heavy on that theme.

That guy couldn't...  They signed his death sentence by ignoring him.  Dickish?  Yes, but that's the group right now...  Splintered, screwed up, and dead themselves, inside.

Then they get to town, and there's 2 separate growth moments for characters...  Carl's is just reinforced in this episode, but Rick and Michonne's is shown a lot.  Rick grows when he finds it's Morgan...  I totally agree that Rick's completely looking at Morgan as his future if he doesn't get his stuff together NOW, and he desperately needs to save him because he's saving himself if he does.  He, more than ever, I think will realize he needs to get it together.

Michonne's clearly growing just by talking...  I think she realized a little bit when Carl confronted her that, she too needs people...  And she shares with Rick at the end her talking to her bf, and acknowledging Rick's mental issues, and saying, "It's ok, I'm here and been there too, and we'll be ok".  He needed that...  and she needed and needs him, and the group.  I think Andrea's basic betrayal of her scarred her so much, she's really now seeing she fits in with the prison.

Doesn't answer any Merl questions obviously but it sets up a lotta heavy stuff.

I'm truly hoping Morgan doesn't get just offed or we never see him again...  I want to see him saved but that episode didn't give me a lot of hope.  It gives hope though, that Rick's pulling himself up by his bootstraps, that Michonne is going to work with the group more rather than on her own and being so bitchy, and Carl's just becoming a badass.

I think Rick's gonna bring a lot of Morgan's ideas back to the prison too and the Woodbury folk will have their hands full if they should pay it another visit.  He had a nice set-up in that town really.  His story was nothing short of tragic though.

The scene with him loading the bodies in that small doorway, onto the fire, as Rick & Co. drive away...  That was pretty awesome.

And keeping with the theme...  Yeah they abandoned that guy, but you need people to survive, and so they stop and took what he had because it still sorta plays into the concept.

I think Rick might be a little more into keeping some people he finds now...  It's easy to say, "F em, they may be dangerous", but clearly you NEED people...  You can't fight Woodbury on your own.  I think that was just a huge concept...  I think next time there's a hitchiker he may get a ride...  if he's alone, and they search him, and make sure he's normal.

TO me, the group's like a jaded person who doesn't want to date again because the last person they were with broke their heart...  Darryl choosing Merl, Andrea being part of Woodbury, Rick taking Merl/Darryl in and upsetting Glenn/Maggie...  There's a lot of anger flying about, but it's healing a bit, and I think they'll trust again...  Just ****** they didn't come to this before they scared off the other group that wandered into the prison and are at Woodbury now.   :-\

I don't think this was the BEST episode ever, but it was a powerful and deep episode with a ton of messages that are pivotal to the direction the show has taken I think...  and somehow the Morgan question was answered, yet left unaswered, all at the same time. :P

If I have a complaint it's largely that they didn't load up more guns, and the picture thing I'm ok with...  Michonne grew as a character from it, a lot, but she also really was as wreckless as Carl was with all that...  On Talking Dead they said Carl still thinks like that though, about the picture, and that's the major difference his character has that the adults generally don't.  He has sentimental thoughts.  He's NOT dead inside, and maybe the most well adjusted of everyone, and it's largely due to his age...  It's amazing how his character has gone from annoying, to awesome, in a season.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Force Guy on March 6, 2013, 12:48 AM
Let me just say that it was my favorite episode so far this season.  It was nice not to see Woodbury for once.  That storyline is getting old & I can't wait until the final showdown. 

With regards to the hitchhiker, perhaps if everyone in the vehicle was heavily armed they could've entertained the idea of picking up the hitchiker.  But they weren't, and what if the hitchhiker was?  That was the whole point of going on a run, to get supplies and more weapons, because they're weak, right?  If I'm down to my last bullet, the last thing I want to do is pick up a complete stranger.  Also, it's been how long since the zombie apocalypse?  At this point, if you see someone alive, it's safe to assume that they're pretty bad ass or at the very least, tough and/or great at surviving, which probably means they're well armed.  The last thing I'd want to do in a weakend state is pick up a complete stranger who could be a potential threat.  Fear the living...

I have to wonder how well the group would've fared if Shane was the leader and Rick was dead instead.         
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on March 6, 2013, 01:08 AM
I think they'd have fared a little better honestly...  Rick's become more like Shane out of necessity really.  Shane kept people safe, and killed those he felt were expendable.

Nuttiness over Lori/Rick/Carl aside, Shane was a pure asset IMO.

Totally see your point about assuming he's a badass, fear the living, etc.  My only point against that would be taht all 3 in the car basically are armed enough to deal with that one guy...  You wait down at the blocked road, make him drop everything, search him, tie him up, throw him in...  I mean if you wanted him, you would've had him basically, I think, since Carl, Michonne, and Rick are clearly all 3 very capable people at handling themselves.  Michonne handled 3 clearly heavily armed people in the woods.  Rick's a badass for a myriad of reasons.  Carl displayed his at this point.  I think I wouldn't have feared that guy with who I had in the car and what they had on them.

My fear would be taking him with us on the run, not getting him on the way back which was obviously not gonna happen.  :-X  Had he been alive on the way back though, I honestly think they'd have gotten him then.  I think things turned a corner after Morgan, to some degree, with Rick.

But I still saw your point...  They left him for a myriad of reasons, not the least of which is he's a totally unpredictable variable.

Wonder what got him?  There was no sign of whatever wound up getting him...  And how'd he get gotten so seemingly easily?  Wasn't like it was some overgrown area zombies could hide.  I dunno.  Weird.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on March 6, 2013, 12:36 PM
Wonder what got him?  There was no sign of whatever wound up getting him...  And how'd he get gotten so seemingly easily?  Wasn't like it was some overgrown area zombies could hide.  I dunno.  Weird.

Totally. There were vehicles he could've hid in (assuming they weren't locked). Maybe he spontaneously exploded?  Maybe Morgan was right, the dead are using dead men's faces for disguises. They can imitate the living now!  :o (Show turns into some super zombie Resident Evil bullcrap!)

I wouldn't say anyone still alive is tough or badass. Some people just beat the odds. There's folks in Woodbury who aren't tough at all, just got lucky that others found them or they were in a safe spot.

Some one on Talking Dead asked if it had been a child, would they have stopped. The panel was like "oh, yeah".  Hmmm....
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on March 6, 2013, 01:19 PM
After thinking about that, I agree...  I think might have the instinct that all the living are badass, but those Mexicans weren't.  They were pretty pathetic actually.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: JediJman on March 6, 2013, 03:35 PM
The guy had a big camping pack on - he could have just been a woodsman who was relatively isolated from most of the action.  I just assumed the Walkers got him.  The ones that sprang on Rick's car came somewhat out of nowhere, so they might have easily caught up with this guy too.  Maybe he just decided to give up after Rick and company passed him by.  Funny that zombies weren't still munching on him, but maybe something else drew them away.  They should make that guy's story into a webisode.

The hitchhiker was really a brilliant addition to the storyline.  Once again they put you in that "what would you do?" position.  On one hand, you don't know who you can trust in this world.  Most of us wouldn't stop for regular hitchhikers, so why would we stop for this guy with even more on the line?  What if he was crazy like Morgan or was part of an ambush?  Rick's also got his son in the car - he's going to be even less likely to trust others in that scenario.

On the flip side, you've got start valuing any kind of human life with so few people left.  What if this guy had a cure or knew something that could help the group?  Maybe he had a run in with Morgan and was the only survivor.  Rick has survived through the generosity of others time and time again - how do you not start repaying that trust to others?  I think most fans of the show view the Governor as evil and Rick's group as the good guys, but I'm not so sure of that when the governor is taking people in and Rick's leaving them in the dust.  Add in the fact that they need some manpower to build up their group.  I'd also argue that between Rick, Carl, and Michonne, that dude would not have lasted 5 seconds in the car if there was anything nutty about him.  Why not give him a chance.  Somewhat ironic that the 3 deadliest killers in the group were in that car.

You had better believe Daryl would have stopped for that poor guy.

Great storylines and discussion points as usual.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: CHEWIE on March 6, 2013, 03:58 PM
When I was watching it, I was hoping that Rick would at least talk to the guy.  I think a lot of him not giving the guy any chance was becuase Carl was with him and he doesn't want to risk putting his kid in more danger... the parent in me tells me that I wouldn't either.  But then again, Rick's allowing his kid to be involved with some dangerous stuff (but what in that world they live in isn't dangerous?).

Anyways, good episode but a bit of a letdown with Morgan (reading the book gave me the impression things might be differnt with Morgan - which I suppose, they still could leave that open seeing how this episode ended).

Also, I wasn't bothered at all that Carl wanted the picture.  I was a bit bothered that Michonne was able to sneak in and get it so easily though... I know the zombies were distracted, but that was kind of silly. I get it though - it was done to have Carl start trusting Michonne, which is going to be very important to the series.

I didn't like the preview to next week though.  Not one bit.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: JediJman on March 6, 2013, 04:36 PM
I didn't like the preview to next week though.  Not one bit.

 ???
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: CHEWIE on March 6, 2013, 08:47 PM
I didn't like the preview to next week though.  Not one bit.

 ???

Looked like Rick was standing at the Governor's desk, yelling at Andrea, saying something along the lines of "You told me was willing to talk!"

Why Rick would be at Woodbury at this point and willing to talk to that guy is beyond me.  Guess we'll see.  I hope this particular scenario doesn't play out like in the books.  Rick does end up there, but under very different circumstances, as he's there before the two groups go to war.  I hope what happens to Rick in the books while in Woodbury doesn't happen in the TV series.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Force Guy on March 7, 2013, 12:05 AM
Me too, Chewie.  We already have enough people at the prison with missing appendages.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Sybeck1 on March 7, 2013, 09:24 AM
The clip I saw was Rick and Darryl clearing out the area of a bunch of silos, with Herscel staying in the truck armed with a M-4. The meeting when it does take place between the governor and Rick seems to be taking palce on nuetral ground.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on March 7, 2013, 10:04 AM
I didn't like the preview to next week though.  Not one bit.

 ???

Looked like Rick was standing at the Governor's desk, yelling at Andrea, saying something along the lines of "You told me was willing to talk!"

Why Rick would be at Woodbury at this point and willing to talk to that guy is beyond me.  Guess we'll see.  I hope this particular scenario doesn't play out like in the books.  Rick does end up there, but under very different circumstances, as he's there before the two groups go to war.  I hope what happens to Rick in the books while in Woodbury doesn't happen in the TV series.

It won't. Just as they substituted Maggie for michonne, they substituted Merle for Rick. Very happy about that too.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: JediJman on March 7, 2013, 12:35 PM
How did they substitute Maggie for Michonne?   ???
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on March 7, 2013, 01:03 PM
How did they substitute Maggie for Michonne?   ???

Let's just say what almost happened to Maggie actually happens to michonne in the comic. Pretty brutal.

They do this kind of thing quite a bit actually. In the comic for instance, I believe it is dale who loses his leg, not hersel.

Keeps things fresh I guess...
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: JediJman on March 7, 2013, 01:51 PM
Oh, THAT.  I had forgotten about that.  Really glad they didn't go that route as well.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BrentS on March 9, 2013, 11:19 AM

So on to the previews for next week... Anyone think the "shooter" in the preview for next week is Morgan from Season 1?  He's got to come back sometime??
Good call. At first I thought it would be a little too convenient for them to run into him on a supply run - but it makes a lot more sense considering they went back to Rick's ground zero.

Busy week this week... I just now had time to watch this episode. I really liked it, glad I nailed the Morgan call.  :)

Still, I was disappointed that Rick didn't convince him to come back with him. Rick needs another confidant.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: CHEWIE on March 9, 2013, 06:03 PM
Rick needs another confidant.

Looks like Michonne is going to start filling that void... though I'm curious as to why they haven't had Tyrese start filling that role.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on March 10, 2013, 11:22 PM
I try not to use the term filler, but...mostly filler. Cliched hero and villain meet and talk moment. Andrea realizing that she is just a psycho's doormat...which has been obvious to everyone but her.

There's the new manufactured ethical crisis for Rick, that really isn't one. Rick must be joking at the end. He can't be that stupid. He can't say "and then he'd  kill us anyway", then use "but what if" as a rationalization.  I think he switched bodies with Andrea at some point.

Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on March 11, 2013, 05:01 AM
I thought it was a little better than filler...

Surprised he tipped his hand on knowing they came back with weapons, but who's sitting out watching the prison ya know?  He doesn't really have GREAT people like Darryl around that can go out and survive easily?  I found that odd...  Where would they be and how would they survive outside the prison just watching it?

Was shocked the Governor let slip what he did honestly, but I liked the exchange...  It was tense and I thought the episode built up for something to happen, even though basically nothing did.

I liked Darryl getting along with the Woodbury thug I can never recall his name...  Martinez I think?  Sharing something...  Soldiers of sorts, in a ****** world.  Seemed kinda obvious to me that Darryl came out the much more adept killer though.  Anyone can swing a bat...  well, not Milton, I'm sure he swings a bat like that chick at Woodbury shoots a bow, but still anyone can swing a bat and cause damage.  Takes skill for random kill shots and fast reloading a crossbow, not to mention throwing a knife.  Darryl makes it an art.  :D

The Herschel/Milton dynamic was great, and I think it really made him look at the Prison group with a new set of eyes...  I think it's changing how he looks at Andrea too.

The obvious Andrea story...  wah I'm a hoe, blah blah blah.

I liked the episode...  Kept thinking someone was in the rafters.  Half expected Carl to be there with a gun the whole time on the Governor since I didn't see him at the prison early on.  Wonder where he was?

I dig the "not many people are totally bad" dynamic.  I've enjoyed that about Merl, about Martinez, about some of the prisoners...  most of them even.  Makes you wonder where are, and whatever happened to, the Philly crew?  What all were they like?

Anyway, yeah, other than finding it odd that the prison's under surveilance and how are they accomplishing that really, I thought the episode was pretty great overall...  Wish we'd gotten a good Maggie ass shot like we did with Andrea.  It's all you can hope for with basic cable.  :-\
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on March 11, 2013, 10:07 AM
Damn, Jesse, you stay up late!

I thought it was a really good episode too, if for no other reason than the supporting character interactions. Totally agree this was an eye-opening experience for Milton, and especially Angela. SO GLAD Rick finally tipped her off to the Governor/Maggie incident. Yeah, that's the scumbag you're sleeping with. He makes your ex-boyfriend Shane look like a freaking choirboy. And speaking of Shane, ARE YOU KIDDING ME? She told the Governor about him and Lori?!?! What are you thinking girl? That is some inappropriate pillow-talk.

Martinez/Daryl Walker-Gauntlet and subsequent smoke break was pure awesomeness...definitely humanizing, and I totally agree this is a strength of the writing that even the seeming villains have depth and texture.

Except Phillip of course. Was I the only one rolling my eyes over his story about his poor dead wife? Oh no! She died in an accident? Did she slip on banana peel and hit her head? Fall asleep at the wheel and drive off the road? WAAAAH. You poor broken blubbering idiot. RICK'S WIFE WAS DEVOURED WHOLE BY ZOMBIES YOU JACKASS! Nice try.

What was the point of the gun taped to the table? Just in case? And I know it's silly to have expected Rick to just shoot him on the spot, but how is that more of a stretch for him to try and save his family than handing over Michonne? He's willing to buy into that fantasy but can't just murder the dude on the spot and be done with it?

I hope Hershel comes up with some good arguments to keep Rick from doing something stupid. I'm sick and tired of them alienating all the new people.

If Rick was smart he would have said, ok, I'll think about the Michonne thing, but when we meet, it will be at a time and place of my choosing. I'll let you know where to meet us. Why invite them to set up an ambush?

As noted later on Talking Dead, why are they letting Merle near the guns?!?!

Glad to see Glenn and Maggie worked everything out in the sex-garage though.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Diddly on March 11, 2013, 10:48 AM
I've really dug the last two episodes, which hopefully bodes well because they were supposedly produced by whoever is taking over as the new head showrunner.

Calling it now: that sex scene was Glenn knocking Maggie up. It went on way too long to not be leading to something, unless the producers were like "hey so teens watch this show, maybe their parents are checking it out with them, here's a sex scene to make things awkward!"

Anyone else catch Governor talk about Rick bringing back a massive amount of guns? Probably has his spies watching the prison...

And as noted too, awesome dialogue between Martinez/Daryl/Herschel/Milton. "Can I see your stump?"

And Beth shooting a gun? Hawt.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Sybeck1 on March 11, 2013, 12:40 PM
99% filler as this season goes along until the season finale in 3 weeks. It will be hard to match a villain like the Governor hard to believe they will simply just kill him.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on March 11, 2013, 12:55 PM
As noted later on Talking Dead, why are they letting Merle near the guns?!?!


Another preventable mini-crisis..., I maintain the episode was filler. The "soldiers" outside battling walkers because, well, we have to have zombie killings.

Sex scene. Meh. Yeah, meh. They neglected their duties to do it. Yay, them. The comic is full of sex, so much so I've never seen people enjoy the destruction of their own civilization so much.  ;)

Again, the whole talk between Rick and the Governor just made Rick look like a fool based on what he said at the end.  this isn't Batman meeting the Joker. It's more like Chief O'Hara meeting the Joker.

Walking Dead filler is still better than most shows on television, though.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: name on March 11, 2013, 07:32 PM
so much so I've never seen people enjoy the destruction of their own civilization so much.  ;)


Have you witnessed the destruction of a lot of civilizations?
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on March 11, 2013, 09:11 PM
Shoulda been at Rome at the end, it was a blast...  or so I hear.  Try the orgies!

On Merl & Guns, he was pretty hard assed going out to the gate an episode or two ago...  Clearly a tactical-minded guy and I believe they mentioned he's ex-military.  Assuming a little more time than a day or two has passed between the last few episodes, I am ok with Merl being around the guns...  What are you going to do?  Darryl's not gonna let him be kept in a cage.  Merl's not really going to be up for that either.  You're kind of hamstrung if you lock the guns themselves up because you need to be able to get armed up fast if attacked...  I dunno.

I guess it's just a bad situation and they're trying to integrate Merl into it as best they can.  There's a part of me I really wish they could get him into the group like Michonne to where he's tolerable and not fighting allt he time.  The ****** thing is, people like him are almost a necessity.  :-\
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: JediJman on March 12, 2013, 12:37 AM
I thought this week's episode was so-so.  Definitely some cool parts and they are moving the story along, but the whole conversation with the Governor was lame IMO.  Rick has to know Phillip is a psychopath liar, so why would a cop of all people trust that he'll leave them alone if they hand over Michonne? 

I really do not like the way they are writing Rick.  He seems to have no morale compass, unlike everyone else around him, and he really doesn't seem all that bright if he's falling for the Governor's BS now.  Its not easy leading the group, but Rick just seems to have failure after failure, which is getting old and makes it hard to cheer for him.

I liked the way everyone else outside the summit seemed to get along.  Just goes to show they could all work together if not for freaky Phillip. 

Definitely think Milton is coming around, especially after next week's preview shots.  Hopefully they wrap up the season with Tyreese and crew, Milton, and Andrea back on the run with the rest of the prison gang.  Doesn't feel like there's enough time left to do that though.

I'm surprised everyone here bought Phillip's story about his wife.  He wants to humanize himself a bit for Rick, but I seriously doubt that's all there is to his wife's death.  He probably sacrificed her to save himself at some point or maybe he killed her when she tried to kill Zombie-Penny.

Maggie/Glenn making up was a nice touch, though I thought for sure there were going to be consequences there like zombies getting through, someone from Woodbury spying, or even a lack of someone to open the gate for Rick and company.  That was a lost opportunity to punish our "heroes."
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Qui-Gon Jim on March 12, 2013, 12:28 PM
I don't think Rick believe the Guv...  But he is haunted by the ramifications of some of his decisions, so he's questioning himself.  What if he could secure his family's safety by giving up someone he's not very close to?  What if he is wrong about the governor not being sincere?

I read the novel Rise of the Governor, and I think it dovetails into the comic continuity, but there is nothing that would contradict anything on the TV version.  In this novel, the entire backstory of how Phillip became the man who would lead Woodbury is explored, including his wife.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on March 14, 2013, 12:56 PM
Walking Dead credits...90's style.  8)

http://youtu.be/78rjL__Nw_8 (http://youtu.be/78rjL__Nw_8)
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Sybeck1 on March 14, 2013, 05:25 PM
Walking Dead credits...90's style.  8)

http://youtu.be/78rjL__Nw_8 (http://youtu.be/78rjL__Nw_8)

Another Walker comes to mind....Walker Texas Ranger......
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on March 17, 2013, 11:15 PM
I bet Andrea wouldn't have bothered leaving Woodbury if she'd known Governor had a GPS locater planted on her. I mean, it's that or Philip is part bloodhound.  Sure he knew where she was headed, that much was obvious. More impressive was that he knew she'd go that old factory (which looked abandoned but was somehow filled with undead). He knew the spot where she'd approach the prison. He's just that magnificent.

On the other hand, it wouldn't be hard to figure out who took a truck in the night and left the town. He didn't even need to question Tyreese and friends/frenemies.

I was wondering why Andrea didn't double back and steal the governor's truck....assuming he left the keys in it. Sounds good on paper.

It's hard to take the walkers seriously anymore. Andrea killed a dozen in a day after running miles with a tiny knife. They barely slow the Governor down. All you need is a big windchime and a deep pit...

I think Woodbury ends being overrun by a horde lured there by a crazed Milton gone all reverse pied pipery.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Chris M on March 18, 2013, 06:58 AM
I was sorely disappointed in that episode last night.  There was tons of tension, but I felt it didn't lead anywhere.  I didn't think this episode did much to drive the plot, except to show the lack of total loyalty within Woodbury.  That was displayed by very subtle stuff.  All in all, this was by far my least favorite episode of this season, and probably one of the "worst" of the entire series.  I just can't stress enough how I felt last night was just a wasted, filler episode that could have possibly been combined with last week in an effort to move things along.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on March 18, 2013, 09:33 AM
All I know is I've never rooted harder for two TV characters to get together in a non-sexual way than Rick and Tyreese. You guys need each other in the worst possible way. PLEASE Walking Dead writers throw us a bone and let them become BFF's like in the comic!

I thought and thought last night about how they could have the town barricaded all the way around, and unless Woodbury is just one block, which I'm sure it is not, it is just not plausible that Andrea could not have found an easier way to slip out unnoticed.

I mean, Milton STEALS A FREAKING TRUCK! And takes the time to load it up with large, heavy gas tanks! And apparently has no problem driving out and getting back in complete secrecy. Huh?

(ps - Laurie confirmed it was him on Talking Dead, as this was pretty obvious)

And yeah, the Andrea-napping was pretty sad at the edge of the prison and all, but damn, they must have taken a page from the LOST writers How-To book: Chapter 3: EVERY CHARACTER IS AN EXPERT TRACKER.

I really was expecting for a nice reveal at the end there where Phillip takes off his trenchcoat and is covered in scratches and bites, but I guess that would sap too much suspense.

I'm liking what we are seeing out of Milton, but Martinez I guess is right back to being an ahole. After all that smoke break bonding with Daryll he's all like whatever, let's load up some biters.

I AM looking forward to seeing that annoying jackass that has the beef with Tyreese die. What a tool.

Melted walker pile was cool, as was Shovel-Face walker. Glad they keep giving us the gratuitous gore-kills because that is my favorite part of the show easily.

I LOVED the Preview scene from next week they showed on Talking Dead afterwards with Merle slapping Rick with a nice reality check on the idea of handing Michonne over. Gotta love the bayonet-handed racist as the voice of reason. Expecting more out of these last two episodes, although I am already preparing to be severely disappointed if they don't kill Phillip this season.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BillCable on March 18, 2013, 10:08 AM
That was just a bad, ridiculous episode.  Predictable.  Poorly written.  Tyreese replies to the Governor with "Come again?"  All of a sudden he's British?  The Governor used teleportation to get Andrea from the edge of the prison into his torture room silently, I guess.  Logic for just about everything was thrown out the window.  I guess the zombies all of a sudden think "I don't want the fresh meat behind the door... I'll take the fresh meat across the room!"
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: GrandMoffNick on March 18, 2013, 12:00 PM
Does anybody like any of the TV shows they watch?
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BillCable on March 18, 2013, 12:01 PM
I love this show whenever it doesn't suck.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: GrandMoffNick on March 18, 2013, 12:03 PM
I should just stay away from this thread. All I can do is laugh when the posts are all about how unrealistic each thing that happened was.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on March 18, 2013, 01:00 PM
Does anybody like any of the TV shows they watch?
 

No. Why would people watch something they like? Ridiculous.

Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on March 18, 2013, 01:13 PM
LOL, my grandpa used to always say "them they don't razz, ain't worth it."

This really is one of the best things on TV, and I think most of us who post here do love it, but for whatever reason it's difficult to resist nitpicking. The show is so drenched in realism (basic premise aside) that some of the least little things can be sort of distracting. But I think it's all done in the spirit of love. :)

People did the same thing with Lost when that was in its heyday. I think anything that has a strong cult-like appeal sort of invites a more critical reacton. And I don't mean critical as in "negative" just critical in the sense that people are more engaged and likely to notice things that seem odd or out of place or otherwise don't quite ring true.

If there was a thread for something as terrible as "The Following" for example, it would probably not elicit the same kind of reaction, despite being exponentially more implausible and aggravating for its non-sensical writing.

I think we're missing former show-runner Mazzarra a little bit at this point now too, as far as WD goes...
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BillCable on March 18, 2013, 02:23 PM
I gave up on The Following after about 4 episodes.  I was amazed it's doing as well as it is, to the point of it getting renewed.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: CHEWIE on March 18, 2013, 03:17 PM
I don't get all the complaining about last night's episode.  I guess the more people enjoy something, the more they have the right to nitpick though.

Anyways, I like how it's not following the book in some ways.  It keeps people like me guessing at what's going to happen next.  And last night was one of the better episodes in a while, in my opinion.  It showed how Andrea has finally come around, but getting back to her people isn't just the snap of a finger.  She's refused for too long to accept the Governor for what he really is.  And now her nightmare is about to begin.

The only real complaint that I have right now is I want Tyrese to figure things out (I assume he will - and that Milton will be the one to show him where Andrea is) -- and I'm afraid that the prison setting is going to merge into Season 4.  I'd prefer for it to end this season with them leaving the prison, but I don't see that happening with just two episodes left.  Who knows, I could be wrong.  But either way, this is by far the coolest thing on TV right now in my opinion.  Hoping for a great ending to this season.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Sybeck1 on March 18, 2013, 03:28 PM
We watch the Following, but really what else is on Mondays? The Bachelor?? Revolution is supposed to be coming back on, but what is that minus the hot chick?

Anyway, the whole time last night I was just wondering what was hapening back at the prison.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BillCable on March 18, 2013, 04:37 PM
We watch the Following, but really what else is on Mondays? The Bachelor??

I don't watch TV every day.  Mondays sometimes I'll catch up on what I've DVRed, and sometimes I'll play PS3.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on March 18, 2013, 05:42 PM
I think Continuum is decent and enjoy SyFy's Being Human for what it is (if all three characters get reset to their original conditions, I'm going to be annoyed...only one left that hasn't.) I don't watch any of the (old) Big Three's shows. Not sure why...maybe because they are cancel happy. I watched the mediocre THE CAPE and the better THE RIVER last year and both got the axe. 
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on March 18, 2013, 08:03 PM
I think Continuum is decent and enjoy SyFy's Being Human for what it is (if all three characters get reset to their original conditions, I'm going to be annoyed...only one left that hasn't.) I don't watch any of the (old) Big Three's shows. Not sure why...maybe because they are cancel happy. I watched the mediocre THE CAPE and the better THE RIVER last year and both got the axe.

LOL, ditto here. I watched both of those too, but I can't say I miss them.

I had to drop the Following after 4-5 episodes too because it literally just made me angry every time I watched it. The FBI just come off like a bunch of clueless jackasses and I got sick of watching the creepy-loser-of-the-week keep punking them like they were some kind of criminal mastermind. But I digress.

I almost hate to say this because it has become somewhat of a cliched plot device, but at some point soon, maybe next season, I kinda think it would be cool to do a WD flashback episode showing what each of the main characters experienced during the pivotal day(s) when everything fell apart. Laurie, Merle, Daryll, even Phillip and Milton could be interesting.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: evenflow on March 18, 2013, 10:58 PM

I almost hate to say this because it has become somewhat of a cliched plot device, but at some point soon, maybe next season, I kinda think it would be cool to do a WD flashback episode showing what each of the main characters experienced during the pivotal day(s) when everything fell apart. Laurie, Merle, Daryll, even Phillip and Milton could be interesting.

Big fan of this idea!
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BillCable on March 19, 2013, 07:51 AM
That's pretty much the idea that got Darabont fired. (http://www.craveonline.com/tv/articles/180707-being-human-star-slams-amc-over-aborted-walking-dead-web-series)
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on March 19, 2013, 09:35 AM
That's pretty much the idea that got Darabont fired. (http://www.craveonline.com/tv/articles/180707-being-human-star-slams-amc-over-aborted-walking-dead-web-series)

Sounds to me like he got fired because the AMC suits were a bunch of cheap aholes.

That's an interesting piece though, I forgot Starkiller was the walker in the tank. And I now understand why all those WD actors were in The Mist, because that was a Darabont thing too.

Still think it's a good idea.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: JediJman on March 20, 2013, 12:49 AM
I finally got around to watching this week's episode tonight.  Count me among those who really liked this one.  Were there a few potential plot pitfalls?  Sure. But I didn't think any of it was so far fetched that it bothered me.

Intro with Michone and Andrea was cool to see, and nice that they are willing to show flashbacks here and there.  I think that bodes well for someday seeing some of the characters' history.  I couldn't quite hear Michone though - anyone catch what she was saying?

Woodbury exits: I don't think "Woodbury" is a full town the way people are imagining it.  I think they maybe have 4-8 blocks cornered off and just like we saw in this episode, there are probably walls and cars set up with guards at each roadway.  They have what, 70 people?  8 blocks (4x2) would mean 8 entrances to cover, which is just 16 people (less if they can get away with just one person stationed or safely close a few of these off.  Do people need to see all 8 to enjoy the show more?  If the Governor goes to the outhouse, are people not satisfied without knowing if it was a piss or a ****?  Come on peeps, lighten up. 

I would also assume that most of the Governor's people are willing to let Milton out for the burn, since he's something of a #2 or #3 to the Governor.  Who's to say that he snuck out with a truck on his own?  If there was an order to keep everyone at Woodbury, I think Milton is one of the few who could talk someone into letting him through.

Lots of complaints about tracking skills.  By this point, both Andrea and Phillip should be pretty well versed on how to get to the prison.  Andrea avoided the first truck, but got caught in the open field.  That moment where she thinks she's okay then you see the truck coming at her is classic old school horror.  I find that sense of dread way more scary than the blood splatters and gore.  The governor knows the stops along the way.  He's directed to the warehouse by the sound, so no supernatural tracking skills there.  I loved the matchup in the warehouse with Andrea getting the upper hand, though I don't like it when they seem to show someone overwhelmed and then they get away.  The Walkers should have just chased Phillip out to the truck, which would have explained why Andrea continued on foot.

As for the prison, there appears to be only a couple of safe, known ways in.  If Phillip has the truck and Andrea is moving through the woods, he could easily pass her and get to the footpath where she's likely to come in.  She's not coming by the roadway (or he would have run into her) and his hiding spot off the road, but near the front could have been intended to shoot Andrea if he couldn't reach her. 

The only far fetched moments for me were that Andrea didn't take the ******* truck, which I believe Phillip left running, and that she couldn't make some kind of noise to draw attention between where she was pinned near the prison and getting to the truck.  Maybe Phillip knocked her out, but then how does he drag or carry her away without being seen from where he is?  I think he could have moved her from the truck to the torture chamber in the middle of the night or maybe even used a few trusted guys. 

I'm probably in the minority on this as well, but I was also not a fan of the burnt zombies.  I've never burned a person or animal, but wouldn't their flesh continue to burn to the bone and kill them?  Seems odd that it just burnt out and they were still moving.  Not nearly enough to ruin the moment for me though.

As for plot advancement, we now have Tyreese questioning the Governor, the torture chamber assembled and occupied, and Andrea & Milton finally showing their true colors.  We even got a little backstory on Tyreese's crazy "buddy" and his son.  All with lots of Walker fighting and suspense - I thought this was a great episode with lots to like.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: CHEWIE on March 20, 2013, 03:01 PM
I agree, very good episode and I enjoyed reading your take on it...

As for the burnt zombies, burns like that would kill a person but a zombie needs the brain to be destroyed... I'm assuming that the fire wouldn't penetrate the skulls on all of them.

Seeing them in the pit like that all melted together but still "alive" was definitely one of the nastiest things of the series for me.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: jedipurge on March 20, 2013, 06:24 PM
ya total gruesome, but wouldn't there eyes have been burned/melted out.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on March 20, 2013, 07:13 PM
Since it was just gas in a dirt pile the fire would burn itself out eventually once all the fuel for it was pretty much gone so I suppose it's possible it just kinda petered out...  Just my guess.

Great episode...  liked Andrea's F U look through the door.

I also like watching zombies in funny situations like all stuck in the stairwell.  It's like stinkbugs.  I laugh when they fly into the wall and knock themselves unconscious for some reason too.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: JediJman on March 20, 2013, 07:38 PM
As for the burnt zombies, burns like that would kill a person but a zombie needs the brain to be destroyed... I'm assuming that the fire wouldn't penetrate the skulls on all of them.

I hadn't thought of that.  Ish.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Diddly on March 22, 2013, 11:41 AM
Finally watched the new episode. LOVED it, along with the past few episodes, which bodes well because I think the new Showrunner directed them or did most of the work on them. Not much else to really cover though.

I thought the fire thing was weird though because most zombie fiction uses fire as a primary weapon to stop them. Good point about the brains but wouldn't all of the other muscles deteriorate to the point that they can't move? Forgive my lack of knowledge though, like Jman the only things I've burned are paper and leaves

Why did Woodbury Archer Girl have to die now? Tyrese needs some shooting lessons.

I also had the next episode spoiled for me.  :(
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BillCable on March 22, 2013, 12:13 PM
I find it's never a good idea to try to make scientific sense out of Zombies...

7 Scientific Reasons a Zombie Outbreak Would Fail (Quickly) (http://www.cracked.com/article_18683_7-scientific-reasons-zombie-outbreak-would-fail-quickly.html)  (hilarious, BTW)

I mean, brain tissue decays faster than just about anything else.  In reality, they'd have hollow skulls full of soup within a weak.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: CHEWIE on March 22, 2013, 12:17 PM
I find it's never a good idea to try to make scientific sense out of Zombies...

7 Scientific Reasons a Zombie Outbreak Would Fail (Quickly) (http://www.cracked.com/article_18683_7-scientific-reasons-zombie-outbreak-would-fail-quickly.html)  (hilarious, BTW)

I mean, brain tissue decays faster than just about anything else.  In reality, they'd have hollow skulls full of soup within a weak.

The virus preserves the brain tissue!!!   :P
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BillCable on March 22, 2013, 01:05 PM
Ah yes... one of those preservative viruses!  My fault.   8)
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Morgbug on March 22, 2013, 03:37 PM
I find it's never a good idea to try to make scientific sense out of Zombies...

7 Scientific Reasons a Zombie Outbreak Would Fail (Quickly) (http://www.cracked.com/article_18683_7-scientific-reasons-zombie-outbreak-would-fail-quickly.html)  (hilarious, BTW)

I mean, brain tissue decays faster than just about anything else.  In reality, they'd have hollow skulls full of soup within a weak.

The virus preserves the brain tissue!!!   :P

Agree with Bill Cable's original statement.  That said the brains and the eyes both would be gone - they contain and awful lot of water so they would have both boiled.  They could have had an awful lot of gruesome fun having heads explode and eyes pop due to the heat, but missed opportunities happen...
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: name on March 23, 2013, 03:22 PM

I'm probably in the minority on this as well, but I was also not a fan of the burnt zombies.  I've never burned a person or animal, but wouldn't their flesh continue to burn to the bone and kill them?  Seems odd that it just burnt out and they were still moving.  Not nearly enough to ruin the moment for me though.

I once had a possum carcass to dispose of from the side of the road near my house.  Dog kept getting into it, and I decided it would be easier to burn it in a fire I already had going than to dig a hole.  HUGE mistake.  Took hours.  And hours.  Flesh doesn't burn so fast as you might imagine...just crisps up on the outside.  Had to keep breaking away the crust.

That said, I agree with Brent...the brain and eyes would have cooked away to nothing in no time.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Sybeck1 on March 23, 2013, 11:05 PM
Bones and ashes would not have had the same shock value.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on March 24, 2013, 01:50 PM
Eyeless moaning corpses would've been creepy.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on March 24, 2013, 05:03 PM
I'm hoping we spend tonight's episode just in the prison, and are not forced to endure a one hour gore-soaked torture session like something out of Saw or Hostel. I'm really not up for that, as much as I find Andrea's character tiresome.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on March 24, 2013, 11:18 PM
Can't believe they did that to Andrea. The governor bites her fingers off, kills her and leaves her to become a walker for Rick's group to discover.

Oh, wrong characters. I get those confused.

My only nitpick is that this show takes place in a universe where people have strong teeth and jaws. This explains Merle's comment about chewing through rope, the Governor's hungry hungry hippos maneuvor and that biter than got T-Dog.

Seriously, could someone bite off a finger, let along two?  ??? GOOGLE! Help me!
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Sybeck1 on March 24, 2013, 11:24 PM
Lol anyway did you see next week's preview? Tyresse and his sis are not in that posse
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on March 24, 2013, 11:29 PM
Yeah, suspicious. I think they've rigged the prison into a trap, actually.  I was thinking before the preview aired...the Governer is expecting them to be in the prison. So that's the last place they should be.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on March 25, 2013, 08:32 AM
Perfection!

Zero complaints about last night, completely excellent from start to finish. All I can say is I'm more disappointed to have lost Merle than any other character so far. He was by far one of the most interesting characters remaining IMO. That last scene with Daryl was freaking epic. The whole episode really highlighted all the strengths of this show, the acting, the writing, and most especially the interaction between the characters. (Glenn/Maggie, Glenn/Hershel, Merle/Rick, Merle/Daryl, Merle/Michonne, etc)

Think Rick has a little bridge-building to do with Michonne now, kinda going to be a little awkward at first, but from her conversation with Merle she seemed to understand he would not have gone through with it either. So hopefully they will be good going forward.

So who was that kid Ben that took the bullet for Phillip? Was he the son of the whiny doosh that was beefing with Tyreese? Or was he the sickly kid with Asthma that Andrea was trying to exempt from the Woodbury militia? I don't have a good recall for the more minor characters...

Loved Merle rocking out to Motorhead, that was a nice touch.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: name on March 25, 2013, 10:27 AM
last night was outstanding.  I didn't know Michonne could put so many words together.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: GrandMoffNick on March 25, 2013, 10:54 AM
Brilliant episode.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: CHEWIE on March 25, 2013, 11:43 AM
I loved last night's episode too - especially the scene when Merle was trying to hotwire the car - and of course the walkers were attracted to the alarm.  Loved how that all played out.  Excellent scene.

Sad to see Merle die, but it was a great way to make the audience really appreciate the character and finally show deep down he wasn't quite the assface he had been portrayed as always.  Showed he was always a rough dude and a dick, but the situation since the "end of the world" brought out an even worse version of him... but when given a chance to redeem himself some and help others, he made a selfless decision.

Good for Merle, sad for Darryl... and next week's episode looks killer.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BillCable on March 25, 2013, 12:16 PM
My only nitpick is that this show takes place in a universe where people have strong teeth and jaws. This explains Merle's comment about chewing through rope, the Governor's hungry hungry hippos maneuvor and that biter than got T-Dog.

Super-strong jaws and super-weak skulls.  Normally you can't stab through the front of somebody's skull with a knife.  And if you stomp on a skull it doesn't split open like a watermelon.   And a shovel won't cut through one like butter.  Makes me wonder if the virus somehow reduces the bone density of the skull (while simultaneously increasing the bone density of fingers...).

It was an awesome episode.  Glenn is such a romantic.  "Every kiss begins with Kay a pair of garden shears."
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: jedipurge on March 25, 2013, 12:23 PM
loved it loved it loved it
especially head decap by wire and head stomp  >:D

my only complaint is that in the beginning of the episode the Merle compilation in the beginning gave it away that he was going to die, call it a tremor in the Force but i knew last nights episode would be his last once i saw that and kinda killed it for me.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Sybeck1 on March 25, 2013, 12:36 PM
It was an awesome episode.  Glenn is such a romantic.  "Every kiss begins with Kay a pair of garden shears."

LOL, I think that puts at least one or both Glenn and Maggie high on the next to die list. Can't have happily wedded bliss in the end times.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on March 25, 2013, 12:45 PM
Super-strong jaws and super-weak skulls.  Normally you can't stab through the front of somebody's skull with a knife.  And if you stomp on a skull it doesn't split open like a watermelon.   And a shovel won't cut through one like butter.  Makes me wonder if the virus somehow reduces the bone density of the skull (while simultaneously increasing the bone density of fingers...).

I can't crush someone head closing a hatchback?  :(

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It was an awesome episode.  Glenn is such a romantic.  "Every kiss begins with Kay a pair of garden shears."

Zombie woman was none to happy about that.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BillCable on March 25, 2013, 01:31 PM
I can't crush someone head closing a hatchback?  :(

Depends whether or not you're the Hulk.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: name on March 25, 2013, 09:39 PM
http://news.discovery.com/human/evolution/human-bite.htm
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Diddly on March 25, 2013, 11:58 PM
my only complaint is that in the beginning of the episode the Merle compilation in the beginning gave it away that he was going to die

Other things that guarantee your death include increased dialogue and talking to Carol :D
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on March 26, 2013, 02:20 AM
I think a lot of what occurs in the show should be posed to the gang at Mythbusters. :P

Good episode...  Really enjoyed all the episode's details...  All Merle, and all awesome. 

Preview for next week...  the music and the tone of the assault was interesting.  Looks like The Governor is indeed walking into something at the Prison, which is kind of expected for us I think. 

Even Lori's ghost pisses me off.  **** Lori.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: name on March 27, 2013, 03:49 PM
**** Lori.

That's what Shane said.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on March 27, 2013, 07:56 PM
And did...  She's a ho... For sho.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on March 27, 2013, 08:25 PM
Lori and T-Dog's deaths were fakes and they are hiding in the prison, because they hooked up and didn't want anyone to know about it.  Lori loaded Carl's gun with blanks.

No one died this season, not even Merle. We flashback and see that Daryl killed some other zombie with a prosthetic arm that he imagined was Merle.

There were no living prisoners, either. They found 5 corpses in the cafeteria and Beth wrote stories about them interacting with Rick's group (turns out she's been chronicling events and what we've seen is her fictionalized account of the survivors' struggles).

Then Bobby Ewing steps out of the shower and discovers that JR is a zombie and Superman 3 and 4 never happened.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: name on March 27, 2013, 09:40 PM
and Superman 3 and 4 never happened.

I like that part best.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Qui-Gon Jim on March 28, 2013, 12:18 PM
and Superman 3 and 4 never happened.

I like that part best.
Say what?!?
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Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt_Fury on March 28, 2013, 04:19 PM
Lori and T-Dog's deaths were fakes and they are hiding in the prison, because they hooked up and didn't want anyone to know about it.  Lori loaded Carl's gun with blanks.

No one died this season, not even Merle. We flashback and see that Daryl killed some other zombie with a prosthetic arm that he imagined was Merle.

There were no living prisoners, either. They found 5 corpses in the cafeteria and Beth wrote stories about them interacting with Rick's group (turns out she's been chronicling events and what we've seen is her fictionalized account of the survivors' struggles).

Then Bobby Ewing steps out of the shower and discovers that JR is a zombie and Superman 3 and 4 never happened.

Best. Post. Ever.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Master_Phruby on March 28, 2013, 05:35 PM
Makes me wish we had a +1 "like" count.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: John C on March 28, 2013, 11:07 PM
It was an awesome episode.  Glenn is such a romantic.  "Every kiss begins with Kay a pair of garden shears."

LOL, I think that puts at least one or both Glenn and Maggie high on the next to die list. Can't have happily wedded bliss in the end times.
Most likely her dad and sister die, putting the wedding off
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on March 29, 2013, 10:50 AM
http://social.entertainment.msn.com/movies/blogs/blog--27-people-will-die-in-walking-dead-season-finale

27 deaths in this week's season finale?   :o

Give me Rick, Daryl, and Glenn, and anyone else can go. Although I'd like to see them keep Maggie just so we don't have to endure more Glenn-struggles-to-adjust stuff.

God, when Phillip gets it I am totally doing my best Tom Cruise couch-dance...
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: P-Siddy on March 29, 2013, 02:32 PM
Wow!  That's one dead about every 2 minutes in a regular episode.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: CloneF13Y35 on March 30, 2013, 05:45 PM
No inside info here just my own speculation but I can see beth and hershal dying to protect the baby in the cell block; Rick and Carl survive of course; maybe maggie and/or glen either get killed outright or turned forcing the other one to put them down. I see the Gov surviving but with injuries but not before he shots Milton like he did Merle so he'll turn. This causes Andrea to put zombie-Milton down but wonders if he really did have any 'memory recall' as he tried to determine. Martinez and Shump are sure to get killed and probably Allen too but not before he shoots Sasha causing her to turn.This time, big brother Tyreese will shot her, proving he could hit his target when it mattered. Tyreese then shoots Allen so he'll turn. Plus about a dozen Woodbury locals and as many zombies as Michonne can decapitate with her sword.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on March 30, 2013, 07:59 PM
All the good guys will be captured. I think Michonne will be surrounded by the governor's men and rather than surrender, decapitate herself with her sword in a manner that can only be called "glorious gorey".

Judith will speak her first words "Let my people go!" and Woodburians will be awestruck. The governor will declare it as some sort of trick, but the people's faith will let them see the truth and they'll stone the governor to death.

Milton gives up science to start the Church of the Judith Grimes of Latter Day Saints.

Or none of that, really.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: CloneF13Y35 on March 31, 2013, 10:10 AM
All the good guys will be captured. I think Michonne will be surrounded by the governor's men and rather than surrender, decapitate herself with her sword in a manner that can only be called "glorious gorey".

Judith will speak her first words "Let my people go!" and Woodburians will be awestruck. The governor will declare it as some sort of trick, but the people's faith will let them see the truth and they'll stone the governor to death.

Milton gives up science to start the Church of the Judith Grimes of Latter Day Saints.

Or none of that, really.

LOL that's pretty damn funny!
Guess we'll find out in 12 hours from now.
Happy zombie rabbit day!
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: evenflow on March 31, 2013, 10:05 PM
Wow! That was not that good.  ::) Feel good episode for  season finale? Last week was much better.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Diddly on March 31, 2013, 10:35 PM
I thought it was awesome. I was cringing the whole time though.

Besides, you knew they weren't going to wrap everything up. The producers said last year that the prison was going to be used in at least half of Season 4.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: CloneF13Y35 on March 31, 2013, 11:17 PM
it's like comparing the finale of season 1 to season 2 - two very different stories being told and I felt the same with this one; though I thought someone besides Andrea from the 'good guys' would die or at least get injured. Loved how Gov beat milton and stabbed him then said: "You're not leaving this room till you kill her - one way or the other. You either Kill or die OR Die and then Kill". But I totally didn't see Andrea dying until they showed up at the end and saw her feet. Michonne staying with her showed how much she really did care for Andrea. The Gov turning on his own people was just right for his psychopathic turn.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on March 31, 2013, 11:28 PM
SPOILERS (obviously)

It was okay. They played it a tad safe. The governor's villain luck holds out, folks panic instead of shooting back, I can accept that since they were shocked by his actions and not fighters. But it's a good thing his closest men are loyal even when there's no reason to be. Seriously, neither guy had any feelings for any of those people? They think a snapped Philip isn't gonna take his anger out on one of them at some point?

I's necessary to have there, but survivor woman can't drive either vehicle? It's not gubna' took the keys or shot out the tires. I suppose she had to deal with a lot of walkers around and got in the wrong vehicle. I answered my own question.  (Why didn't she pick up a gun?)

Andrea...taking on walkers with a knife...can't handle one sans knife?  She was too intent on getting her other hand free, that's where I think she blundered.

Why stay in the prison? Why no Woodbury...they were asking that on Talking Dead...no one had a good answer. I'd imagine there's tons more supplies in Woodbury, and far more comforts.

There was a crank caller on Talking Dead quoting some religious stuff. Someone at IMDB suggest that this was a planned "phone bomb", a clue to next season's antagonist. There was a deleted scene from season 2 where Dale hears a religious weirdo broadcasting on the radio.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Greg on April 1, 2013, 07:20 AM
DOUBLE SPOILERS!!!!



SPOILERS (obviously)

It was okay. They played it a tad safe. The governor's villain luck holds out, folks panic instead of shooting back, I can accept that since they were shocked by his actions and not fighters. But it's a good thing his closest men are loyal even when there's no reason to be. Seriously, neither guy had any feelings for any of those people? They think a snapped Philip isn't gonna take his anger out on one of them at some point?

Andrea...taking on walkers with a knife...can't handle one sans knife?  She was too intent on getting her other hand free, that's where I think she blundered.

Why stay in the prison? Why no Woodbury...they were asking that on Talking Dead...no one had a good answer. I'd imagine there's tons more supplies in Woodbury, and far more comforts.

The Governor's two surviving henchmen going with him was such a hilarious moment to watch, but as you said it didn't make sense. They obviously DIDN'T want to get in the car, but did anyway, even though the Gov was out of bullets. As for Andrea, I'm guessing her inability to kill Zombie Milton was due with her physical state... we don't know how long she was tied up in the torture chamber but it must have been a couple of days.  Lastly, Woodbury vs. the prison... I guess the prison might be more secure? Or at least they might need fewer people to defend it/guard the fences?

Overall I thought the finale was good. I liked Andrea's character, mostly due to how imperfect she was, so I was sad to see her go. It was a terrible way to go out, fighting a zombified version of a friend and then shooting herself in front of her friends. Interesting that she ultimately committed suicide. The prison fight was anticlimactic, but the Governor mowing down his own troops was quite unexpected. Having the Gov just drive off didn't seem to fit the overall tone of the finale, but I'm glad he is still alive. I'm guessing he will run into Randall's group from Season 2 and end up with a dangerous fighting force.

Lastly, there were too many suspenseful moments in the episode where I expected stuff to go down, but it didn't. In particular when the prison group was just standing around in the courtyard after ousting the Woodbury Army, I fully expected a straggler to shoot one of the good guys. When Glenn first took off his helmet I was on the edge of my seat, I was ready. Then with Milton's turn, they did a great job drawing that out. I was also expecting Tyrese to burst through the door to save Andrea, but obviously we know how that went...

Bring on Season 4.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BillCable on April 1, 2013, 10:15 AM
I was surprised that the Governor's henchmen stuck with him despite him deciding to gun down half his settlement.  I supposed it must have seemed the best of a set of very bad options.  The devil you know and all that.  I just want to know where they went.  Not to Woodbury.  Not to the prison.  Are they now just on the road?  What sense does that make?

The Governor's invasion tactics are just about as awful as you could come up with.  Come in guns blazing.  Damage peripheral structures.  Then take everybody into the prison?  Walk around blindly?  When they found the place abandoned, they didn't suspect a trap?  Then once engaged, they retreat?  Dude's just one piss-poor field general.  Which makes it even more surprising that the couple actual military guys continue to follow him.

I agree on the tension.  I too expected Glenn to get popped when he pulled off his helmet.  DON'T THESE PEOPLE WATCH THE SHOW??!!
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on April 1, 2013, 11:29 AM
Ugh, what a letdown. How do you let literally the THREE WORST PEOPLE in Woodbury get away scot free? You couldn't at least have killed that big black dude? Where is the justice?

Seriously, that was a really non-satisfying season finale. The have completely gone off the rails as far as the comic goes. Rogue governor on the run? Still in the prison? What? Why?

Just kill that SOB already. I can't sit through another season of his repugnancy. I'm glad you guys like the actor and all but everyone liked Andrea and Dale too and it didn't stop you from killing them.

Agree that was like the worst strategic plan EVER going into the prison. I was shocked Rick and co were even still there. And did they hit ANYBODY?

I'm glad Allen got capped and I'm glad that woman lived, but yeah, why go back to the prison? And what about the rest of the Woodbury peeps? All they took was the elderly and infirm?

I probably would have felt a lot worse losing Andrea in Season 1 or early Season 2. But all her terrible decisions make it hard to care as much at this point. I almost felt worse about poor Milton. Maybe she should have felt a little more sense of urgency than to stop and have a chit chat with him every five minutes. Not sure how a pair of pliers gets you out of handcuffs either, but I'm not even going there.   

Carl, right or not, is back to being a snotty little punk. Rick should have slapped him right in his sassy face for all that backtalk. But yeah, he kind of had a point. I think it would have been a much more convincing argument if he had explained that when they told that stupid kid to drop his gun he said "Take it." Dumbass. What part of "Drop your gun" do you not understand? Drop it already! Don't offer to hand it to them! That just makes it look like you're trying to be shady. I'd have shot him too, just for being too moronic to follow simple directions.

You gotta kill those last 3 guys early next season. It will be hard to truly enjoy the show again until they tie up that loose thread.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Diddly on April 1, 2013, 11:43 AM
RE Woodbury vs the Prison, I'm sure the Governor knows the layout to Woodbury 100%, and thus could silently invade at any time. I mean, Rick got in there blindly and wrecked shop.

Those Woodbury castoffs are nothing but bullet/zombie bait for next season.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Greg on April 1, 2013, 11:58 AM
So I'm thinking about the season as a whole, and I feel that everything was a bit jumbled up in terms of tone and such. Last night's finale would have been great as a mid-season finale, while episodes like Killer Within, Made to Suffer, and to an extent This Sorrowful Life might have made for great season finales.



SPOILERS below for people who haven't read the comic....



I also think the pacing was too fast overall, especially in the first half of the season. It was like they tried overcompensating because of the Season 2 complaints. I have been re-reading the comics, which devoted a good amount of time to the prisoners and didn't introduce Woodbury right when the group found the prison. The prisoners causing trouble, along with the group setting up life at the prison, would have made for a great first half of the season. Introducing Woodbury could have been saved for the back half, with the build-up and eventual war taking place in Season 4. I think the build-up on the show over the last 8 or 9 episodes, along with knowing about the huge battles that took place in the comic, led to feeling that the prison attack in the finale was ultimately anti-climactic.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on April 1, 2013, 12:19 PM
I'm glad Allen got capped and I'm glad that woman lived, but yeah, why go back to the prison? And what about the rest of the Woodbury peeps? All they took was the elderly and infirm?

Them and the kids and that woman survivor from the massacre were it....plus Tyrese and his sister.  The rest of the able bodied adults are all dead 20 something by the guv, 8 by Merle (9 if you include Carta...carta...what's his name earlier in the season), the other two via Michonne, more when they rescued Glen and Maggie, one in the guard tower during the governor's first strike, one by a loose walker. Quite a bit.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on April 1, 2013, 12:53 PM
So I'm thinking about the season as a whole, and I feel that everything was a bit jumbled up in terms of tone and such. Last night's finale would have been great as a mid-season finale, while episodes like Killer Within, Made to Suffer, and to an extent This Sorrowful Life might have made for great season finales.



SPOILERS below for people who haven't read the comic....



I also think the pacing was too fast overall, especially in the first half of the season. It was like they tried overcompensating because of the Season 2 complaints. I have been re-reading the comics, which devoted a good amount of time to the prisoners and didn't introduce Woodbury right when the group found the prison. The prisoners causing trouble, along with the group setting up life at the prison, would have made for a great first half of the season. Introducing Woodbury could have been saved for the back half, with the build-up and eventual war taking place in Season 4. I think the build-up on the show over the last 8 or 9 episodes, along with knowing about the huge battles that took place in the comic, led to feeling that the prison attack in the finale was ultimately anti-climactic.

Good post, I can't disagree.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on April 1, 2013, 09:45 PM
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I think it would have been a much more convincing argument if he had explained that when they told that stupid kid to drop his gun he said "Take it." Dumbass. What part of "Drop your gun" do you not understand? Drop it already! Don't offer to hand it to them! That just makes it look like you're trying to be shady. I'd have shot him too, just for being too moronic to follow simple directions.

This was exactly the point I was trying to make to a friend on the Carl situation...  I thought he actually was gonna try to overtake Carl by handing him the gun and that was just my gut reaction to the situation...  He was being shady, and I think there was ambiguity there because they wanted you as the viewer to see it from both sides...

You're having a gun pointed at you, you're told to drop your weapon, but you instead try handing it to him like you're trying to feed a Tiger a piece of chicken...  You're a dip**** and deserved to die for no other reason than you don't follow simple direction.

That said...  Herschel's missing a leg, not a hand, and was armed...  How did he not take charge there?  Dude's a badass shot, clearly, and was there too...  He lets Carl run that ****?  Again, I didn't care for that.

Wonder if the prison crew took what Governor & Co. left out there?  That military truck, all the weapons...  Governor didn't pick all that up, they just left.  Lotta hardware to be had.  Plus that .50 on the disabled Humvee which I'm not so sure driving them over spikes disables them that easily...  Some of our military vets on here might be able to elaborate but I thought their tires didn't deflate so easily.  Maybe I'm wrong though.

I thought the Governor's plan was pretty typical of him...  We'll just roll in and f everyone up with sheer force.  The grenade launchers, .50 cal, etc.  I thought it was pretty much what I'd figured he was gonna do anyway, but yeah they got f'd ultimately because they were largely inexperienced...  I was happy with all that stuff actually, and how it played out.  The Catacombs under the prison are spooky for Rick's group so they're downright terrifying to the Woodbury folks I'm sure.

A little anticlimactic maybe, but I enjoyed it for the most part.  Great season, looking forward to Fall already.  :-\
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: CloneF13Y35 on April 1, 2013, 10:53 PM
Spoiler from the comics
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I remember the Gov and group had found a tack and barely got it working, couldn't shoot at all they all they could do was drive it forward and backward but it was intimidating to no end!
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Sybeck1 on April 1, 2013, 11:28 PM
Too many people now, I look for a major herd thinning early next season. I personally would be tracking the governor because you know he is coming back.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Morgbug on April 2, 2013, 11:17 PM
  Plus that .50 on the disabled Humvee which I'm not so sure driving them over spikes disables them that easily...  Some of our military vets on here might be able to elaborate but I thought their tires didn't deflate so easily.  Maybe I'm wrong though.


Even if the tires are all shot, roll it on up (tow it, push it, drive it, whatever) up inside the inner fence and fortify the thing so it's easily accessible for defense.  Like you said, the Woodbury folks had a lot of stuff stockpiled and when they acquired that, I'm sure they gathered all the ammo for that .50 they could.  Next time a van carrying zombies get's driven through the gate open up the .50 on it. 
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on April 3, 2013, 02:15 AM
Damn skippy man!  That thing can chew through cinderblock...  That's not a toy you leave in the field. :P

In the zombie apocalypse, always take a .50 you find lying about.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: CloneF13Y35 on April 3, 2013, 09:53 AM
I think they should take a cue from how Morgan setup those zombie traps in "Clear", place a few of those out in the prison yard to trap some of them for easier pickins. at least they tried to setup barricades on the fenced in crosswalks that Glen and Maggie attached from using left over pallets and the metal table tops from the cafeteria. They need to do some more fortifications and search the prison and since Tyreese is with them now, he can show them the other side where the wall collapsed.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on April 3, 2013, 12:59 PM
My predicitions for next season. Andrea didn't kill herself, Michonne faked it (hence the incorrect shell dropping sound from a revolver)...and she is keeping zombie Andrea hidden somewhere so when Michonne gets her hands on the Governor, she'll toss him to zombie Andrea.

Lori will return as Ghost of Apocalypse Future and give Rick vision of a cruel adult Carl who calls himself "The Warden".

The Governor, Shump and Martinez will discover the last functioning Burger King but leave disgusted when they learn it's using horse meat in the burgers.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Sybeck1 on April 3, 2013, 04:34 PM
With Andrea demise the show's T&A percentage has dropped dramatically. Lori is kinda cute, and well Beth is being played by an adult so maybe it is possible we see more. But still I don't see those two stepping up to do the soft moonlight buttocks scenes. Producers if you are listening we need more T&A next season!
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: CloneF13Y35 on April 3, 2013, 11:22 PM
and lauren cohan who plays maggie, while definitely a hottie, is a little light up top; not that there's anything wrong with that, just saying compared to laurie holden, she def had a little more boom boom going on.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Sybeck1 on April 3, 2013, 11:39 PM
I meant maggie and not lori.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on April 3, 2013, 11:47 PM
Ghost boobies.

There's always Carol...  Underrated I think, and too heavily clothed most of the time.  There's a rockin' body hiding under all them clothes.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BrentS on April 4, 2013, 08:38 AM
Three cast members promoted to "Regulars" (http://tv.yahoo.com/news/walking-dead-promotes-3-cast-members-regulars-004041688.html)
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on April 4, 2013, 12:21 PM
Three cast members promoted to "Regulars" (http://tv.yahoo.com/news/walking-dead-promotes-3-cast-members-regulars-004041688.html)

Who is "Sasha"? That lady with Tyreese? Is she his sister or love interest? I never really got that.

This is the part I liked: In addition, Melissa Ponzio, who appeared in four episodes of the series this year as Karen, will return for Season 4 as a recurring character.

She is really, really cute IMO. She could fill in well for Andrea.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Diddly on April 4, 2013, 01:08 PM
Welp, if any of them start getting an insane amount of lines or have a heartfelt discussion with Carol, they're gone :P
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt_Fury on April 4, 2013, 02:32 PM
I'm glad that they're bringing in new blood because 90% of the people they just brought over from Woodbury is nothing more than walker bait!
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on April 4, 2013, 02:45 PM
I thought Beth stickign a zombie in the head was a good sign she would get a little more love next season.  You have to figure as a group they need EVERYONE with a slight ability to kill to help out now because they took in the albatrosses of Woodbury.  Thus bigger workload for those that can do some killing.  Beth needed to pitch in anyway besides singing and watching the baby.  Carl's out being a psycho, no reason she can't. 

Sasha is Tyrese's sister I'm pretty sure, and pretty damn cute, but I think her demise is inevitable.  No siblings in the zombie apocalypse!

Karen SHOULD be able to be made into someone useful.  She did go to the prison to fight.

I loved how they all fled.  Played that fairly realistically I think. :)  SEAL Team 6, they were not.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: JediJman on April 4, 2013, 03:27 PM
With Andrea demise the show's T&A percentage has dropped dramatically. Lori is kinda cute, and well Beth is being played by an adult so maybe it is possible we see more. But still I don't see those two stepping up to do the soft moonlight buttocks scenes. Producers if you are listening we need more T&A next season!

Nah, Karen is hotter than Andrea and in typical WD fashion, they simply replace the profile with a new character.  Black guy dies, enter new black guy.  Wise old guy dies, enter new wise old guy.  Hot chick dies, enter new hot chick.  Allows them to make every minute serious because a core character could die, but the group dynamic is fairly static all things considered.

I thought the finale was great.  Did not see Andrea dying and did not see the Gov killing all his people.  What a fantastic turn of events.  I thought the attack on the prison was dead on and its ridiculous to think Rick & co. would move to Woodbury, not knowing the fortifications or having the manpower to defend it.  They hold out at the prison till supplies dry up (which they already eluded to), then be forced to move on or starve. 

The only question I had was when Tyreese was coming to relieve Sasha.  Then he changes his mind and tells her to wait a little longer...where did he go?  I thought this was  Tyreese going to save Andrea, but I don't think they ever showed where he went, did they?  Maybe it was irrelevant or maybe it will come up next season, but I thought that was odd.  I also wonder if Tyreese or Sasha maybe burned the Woodbury Zombies instead of Milton - maybe Milton just let them out the gate.  Would be an interesting turn to take. 

I can't wait for Season 4 - ugh!
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Greg on April 5, 2013, 09:52 PM
The only question I had was when Tyreese was coming to relieve Sasha.  Then he changes his mind and tells her to wait a little longer...where did he go?  I thought this was  Tyreese going to save Andrea, but I don't think they ever showed where he went, did they?  Maybe it was irrelevant or maybe it will come up next season, but I thought that was odd.  I also wonder if Tyreese or Sasha maybe burned the Woodbury Zombies instead of Milton - maybe Milton just let them out the gate.  Would be an interesting turn to take. 

I was also expecting Tyrese to save Andrea, and was bummed it didn't happen. According to Dallas Roberts, the actor who played Milton, parts of the episode were reshot. Originally Milton was shot by the Governor, we would have seen zombie-Milton attack Andrea, and Tyrese would have been the only one to find the carnage. I guess Tyrese's "I'm going somewhere" line was left due to sloppy editing. There are some pics floating around of the original version of the scene/episode. In the old version Milton was wearing glasses, like the pic below:

(http://images.tvrage.com/news/walking-dead-star-dishes-on-her-character-s-demise.jpg)
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: CHEWIE on April 8, 2013, 05:36 PM
Three cast members promoted to "Regulars" (http://tv.yahoo.com/news/walking-dead-promotes-3-cast-members-regulars-004041688.html)

Who is "Sasha"? That lady with Tyreese? Is she his sister or love interest? I never really got that.

This is the part I liked: In addition, Melissa Ponzio, who appeared in four episodes of the series this year as Karen, will return for Season 4 as a recurring character.

She is really, really cute IMO. She could fill in well for Andrea.

I like her as well - and unless I'm mistaken, she had a role in the comic at the end of the prison battle and pulled the trigger on a certain character.  Could be a different chick, but I think it's supposed to be the same one as Lilly Caul from the comics, just with a different name.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on September 16, 2013, 02:00 PM
The inevitable spin-off is coming in 2015. Suprised it took them this long.

http://tv.yahoo.com/news/amc-developing-walking-dead-spin-off-152036717.html (http://tv.yahoo.com/news/amc-developing-walking-dead-spin-off-152036717.html)
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on September 16, 2013, 02:13 PM
The inevitable spin-off is coming in 2015. Suprised it took them this long.

http://tv.yahoo.com/news/amc-developing-walking-dead-spin-off-152036717.html (http://tv.yahoo.com/news/amc-developing-walking-dead-spin-off-152036717.html)

Yeah, it was inevitable with Breaking Bad and Mad Men going off the air.

I think this has a lot of potential promise if done well. The best thing will be that they won't be constrained by the events in the comic, it will be completely uncharted territory and spoiler-free.

And maybe they will finally have some storylines related to how this all began because it still bugs me that there is that huge blind spot.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: JediJman on September 16, 2013, 11:30 PM
Awesome news.  I hope they run it off season, so we have some WD all year around.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt_Fury on September 20, 2013, 01:54 AM
I think it will be cool to see a story not tied to the comic.  That would give them a lot more freedom (even though they've diverted drastically from the comic storyline).

And what's this talk about Mad Men ending next year?  I hadn't heard that.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Neal on September 20, 2013, 09:24 AM


And what's this talk about Mad Men ending next year?  I hadn't heard that.

Yes, the seventh season of Mad Men will be its last.  But, like with Breaking Bad, they will be splitting the season over two years.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Force Guy on September 20, 2013, 05:52 PM
I think it's great news.  If done in the same manner as the webisodes, I welcome it!
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt_Fury on September 21, 2013, 01:16 AM
I have a theory that the end of Breaking Bad is actually the beginning of The Walking dead.  Todd has screwed up the blue Meth formula and it's actually causing the zombie apocalypse...Walt returns and purchases the M-60 to try and stop it.  :)
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: name on September 21, 2013, 12:47 PM
I have a theory that the end of Breaking Bad is actually the beginning of The Walking dead.  Todd has screwed up the blue Meth formula and it's actually causing the zombie apocalypse...Walt returns and purchases the M-60 to try and stop it.  :)


this
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: CloneF13Y35 on September 21, 2013, 01:33 PM
Awesome news.  I hope they run it off season, so we have some WD all year around.

I think Kirkman indicated whatever story they go with won't be tied to the comics, so I'm kinda hoping they go with either a concurrent story from maybe a military or civilian/Medical POV as well as try to show other locations either in US or worldwide of the zombie/walker apocalypse. Just hope they don't do a "Lost" style of story telling with Flashbacks/Flash-sideways as they called them; that just makes things too confusing. And I agree if they can air it over the summer to fill in the gaps between the Fall/Spring break up format that would be good!
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt_Fury on September 22, 2013, 01:26 AM
If they keep to the types of flashbacks we've had in the original Walking Dead, I'd be fine with that.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: JediJman on September 22, 2013, 10:54 AM
If they keep to the types of flashbacks we've had in the original Walking Dead, I'd be fine with that.

+1  I think Lost got confusing towards the end of the story because of the time travel and multiple times people were on and off the island, but I love the first few years of flashing back to who the characters were before the crash.  I'd love to see more of that in a new show.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: CloneF13Y35 on September 22, 2013, 12:28 PM
If they keep to the types of flashbacks we've had in the original Walking Dead, I'd be fine with that.

+1  I think Lost got confusing towards the end of the story because of the time travel and multiple times people were on and off the island, but I love the first few years of flashing back to who the characters were before the crash.  I'd love to see more of that in a new show.

True, done right the flashbacks can provide awesome insight into a character, their past lives, motivations etc. I just hope they can focus on the quality of the story, character development as seen in season 1. I know they have a budget and make up fx, tons of 'walker - extras' other special fx cast money and they have a certain amount tied up in salaries - Andrew Licoln, Norman Reedus probably get the most with maybe Steven and Lauren getting recognition as up-and-coming stars.
They film the Prison on the Production lot in Senoia, GA so other location shoots take up some budget.  Let's hope they continue to tell interesting stories for a long time to come!
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Qui-Gon Jim on September 23, 2013, 09:24 AM
I'll bet that the new show is centered around Darryl Dixon.  He's not a comic creation, and the fans (especially the women) LOVE him.  In fact, I saw a cool "Team Darryl" sticker on a car (complete with crossbow).
(http://img0.etsystatic.com/017/0/8008158/il_570xN.475939376_fffm.jpg)
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Tracy on October 11, 2013, 12:31 PM
Want!  8)
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: CloneF13Y35 on October 13, 2013, 10:38 AM
cast, writers and producers were at NYCC and aired a live broadcast of the WD panel last night. norman still gets 90% of the fan love but lauren was next. they seemed real excited about the new season which returns tonight at 9pm est! "Prey for the Dead"
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Sybeck1 on October 14, 2013, 08:14 AM
What s jumbled mess last night was.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Tracy on October 14, 2013, 10:35 AM
Finally got a chance to watch Talking Dead this morning.  Was surprised no one brought up the fence walker they kept showing - the one with the weird bloody eyes and face. Looks like he died from the same thing Patrick did.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Chris M on October 14, 2013, 11:46 AM
That's what I was thinking last night.  I was wondering what is his significance.  It also makes me wonder if we are going to be dealing some kind of super zombie.  I certainly hope that's not the case.  I love the zombies as the backdrop to the human drama.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on October 14, 2013, 01:12 PM
SWINE FLU!

The woman in the woods part was odd and I could see what was coming. Or was she real at all, was it all in Rick's mind?

Why was there a gun buried in the prison yard? From the Woodbury attacks? Just got plowed under during farming?

The Michonne Ranger is out hunting Guvnah. She MACON it her mission. LOL.

Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Mikey D on October 14, 2013, 01:35 PM
Totally unrealistic.


Who the **** would leave all that good booze?
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BillCable on October 14, 2013, 02:11 PM
SWINE FLU!

That's what I'm thinking.  Some kind of contamination, maybe in the water.  Maybe it's what's attracting the never-ending hoards of fence zombies.

Either that or the kid's system simply could not handle exposure to Daryl's handshake because Daryl is just too freakin' awesome.

Why was there a gun buried in the prison yard? From the Woodbury attacks? Just got plowed under during farming?

Pretty much - to symbolize Rick's transformation into a farmer.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on October 14, 2013, 04:20 PM
So awesome! You gotta start slow to build things up, fine with me. Loved Crazy Clara in the woods. (Best line of the night as she approached her campsite, "My husband is just a head"...LOL)

I loved that the kid who died at the end (Patrick?) is the voice of Phineas from Phineas and Ferb. Too funny.

Good points brought up here about the buried gun (agreed it was a metaphor for Rick's transformation) and the eye-bleeding fence walker (definitely related). And let's not forget poor Violet the pig. They need to tread carefully here though, they have never made the virus pathology, etc an important detail of the show, and I would hate to see them paint themselves in a corner with this storyline. This would be more promising if Milton or the CDC guy was still around to investigate.

Yeah, Daryll licking his fingers before shaking hands with Patient Zero was probably a bad idea.

I'm happy they showed no scenes of the Governor in the season previews, the more he is off this show the more I enjoy it. I figure that will be the back half of the season.

Calling it now that ex-Army Medic recovering alcoholic Bob is going to be trouble.

Beth just doesn't care anymore, Maggie is not pregnant, and Carol is teaching knife fighting. Good times!
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on October 14, 2013, 06:32 PM
Bob or BYOB?

Either him or Tryeese has to die, given the show's "one brother" rule.  :P

Milton and the kid had to die, no nerds on this show!

Backpack stealing Rick forgot to rob the crazy lady's campsite...of course he couldn't because it was all imaginary.  ;)


Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Sybeck1 on October 14, 2013, 09:36 PM
Pigs and horses just appear? What is this? Minecraft?

Hordes of walkers right outside the fences yet Rick might leave armed just with a bowie knife alone?

Crazy lady lives out in the wilderness alone for months? A lot of things not computing either before we get into the copter falling.

I was wondering if she was one of the hunters
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on October 14, 2013, 10:29 PM
Telling ya, she's all in Rick's mind...he's have another freak-out. Remember at least one of his 3 questions was something the imaginary callers on the phone asked him.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Morgbug on October 14, 2013, 10:46 PM
Totally unrealistic.


Who the **** would leave all that good booze?

I love you man.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on October 14, 2013, 11:49 PM
Loved it...  And it supposedly only gets worse.

Talking Dead was enlightening, and entertaining.  I hope to god they don't bring Silent Bob in this season because he single-handedly makes TD not watchable, but the guys they had on were great.  Don't know the celeb but Gimple was very forthcoming about the upcoming season without spoiling things much.

The celeb's thought on the walker pile-ups post-preview of next week's episode was pretty much 100% on I think.

Patrick proves you can't be a doofus and survive in the apocalypse, incase Milton hadn't driven that home to people already.  You'll die of your lame allergies or whatever.  You suck nerd!

Zach, we hardly knew ya.

Tracy, awesome point.

Gimple brought up that EVERY detail in E1 of this season will play out as the season goes on.  Everything.

I agree with Scock...  I think that may have all been in Rick's mind.  Maybe not, and if not I think it's pretty weird for sure.  She looked to almost be diseased herself...  makes me wonder if, and perhaps this is why she survived, but perhaps her smell's pretty much completely masked?  This is all assuming she's real and not in Rick's mind.

Loved the chopper through the Big Lots roof with the zombie hanging by his own guts.  Freaky.  Some very good moments with walker grotesqueness this episode.

Bets now on who isn't "walking" out of this season alive?  See what I did there?   :D

Anyway, I loved the episode...  Things really got out of hand quickly.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on October 15, 2013, 10:04 AM
Don't know the celeb but Gimple was very forthcoming about the upcoming season without spoiling things much.

Nathan Fillion. Firefly? Lost? Castle? He is a nerd celeb god, right up there with Bruce Campbell. Awesome dude.

I guess it could be argued that Crazy Clara was not real, but it doesn't fit the storyline IMO. Crazy Rick is gone. That was symbolized by the whole metaphor with Lori not appearing at the end of last season when they brought the new people in. The idea I think is that he is being slowly healed by a spirit of community. I don't see how it serves to move the plot forward if he starts going nuts again.

I think it's more likely she was real and had simply survived by virtue of having a "pet" around like Michonne did. And I don't think Rick took anything because what did she have of value? That knife? I'm sure that tent and those sleeping bags reeked of stank. They could easily get all that stuff from Big Lots anyway.

Someone should be working on digging some tunnels out of that place too. Just to be prepared.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jeff on October 15, 2013, 11:53 AM
The idea I think is that he is being slowly healed by a spirit of community. I don't see how it serves to move the plot forward if he starts going nuts again.

I kinda thought that was the point of Rick's talk with Hershel... Rick was wondering if "you can come back" and Herschel tells him, 'your son came back, you came back'.  I though that was them telling us that Rick was healed/healing from the tragedy of Lori's death, but I guess I can see how people read that as Rick still worried because he is still hallucinating things (camping lady).
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on October 15, 2013, 01:07 PM
I don't think Ricks health is that black and white...  You come back, to a point.  Things are nice, sure, and that's helped him...  But those noise cancelling iPod while he worked said everything about how fragile he is.  I lean to him NOT hallucinating Nell (credit to Matt) but I think he's far from truly "healed".  The group needs a psychologist to make it to camp and start charging a nickel per session.  The doctor is real in.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on October 15, 2013, 04:21 PM
I kinda thought that was the point of Rick's talk with Hershel... Rick was wondering if "you can come back" and Herschel tells him, 'your son came back, you came back'.  I though that was them telling us that Rick was healed/healing from the tragedy of Lori's death, but I guess I can see how people read that as Rick still worried because he is still hallucinating things (camping lady).

That is an interesting take for sure, I interpreted that as more of a spiritual/ethical type comeback than a mental one. Like "how can you reconcile the horrible things you have had to do to survive with your personal sense of morality?" That was kind of the thrust of their conversation, they had both done bad things but Rick was still willing to reach out and help a stranger whereas she couldn't make that leap and had crossed over to pure survival mode.

I hate to bring the comic into it, but my recollection is that crazy Rick was just a phase there too and he eventually stopped walking around with that telephone and got with the program again.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on October 15, 2013, 06:48 PM
She probably was real, I was half-kidding.

But there was a weirdness to her being so close to the prison (it seemed) and Rick just deciding to go with her alone into a potential trap (it was).

Having been to the same airport, liking the same statue. (IIRC)

I could believe a walker (her) got the boar, then it moved toward him and he shot it and then spaced out, imagining her story, how she got to this point. He's killed walkers so much he forgot they were human.

I don't think we need more crazy Rick, though. I think there'll be enough things going on.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Tracy on October 15, 2013, 09:29 PM
After re-watching today it struck me how "animated" the bloody-eyed fence walker was. It almost seemed as if he was actually looking at Rick and really"seeing" him.   If everyone has the virus that turns them into walkers with no brain activity other than in their brain stem - could the new virus alter how "alive" a walker is when they re-animate?
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Diddly on October 16, 2013, 12:22 AM
I'm interested to see where the virus storyline goes. Harry Potter coughed right into the shower water before he passed out so I'm assuming that comes into play at some point. BTW I had a good laugh when he talked to Daryl at the beginning, as I imagine that's what people look like when they meet Norman Reedus in real life.

Crazy woman was really weird. I'm guessing this comes into play again as the season goes on but as of now I'm just left asking WTF.

LOVED the shopping center portion though. I also thought Waterboy's friend was biting it due to the "Walking Dead Rule of Black People/Minor Characters Who Have More Than Two Lines." That wasn't the same chopper as the one from the first episode was it?
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on October 16, 2013, 09:16 AM
I think the copter from the first episode was more of a Blackhawk style assault helicopter and the one on the roof was an older, army-green Huey. IIRC.

I think "intelligent zombies" is a non-starter and they really need to stay away from that. It mutes the whole aspect of the threat, and has IMHO never been done well in any of the zombies stories that predate this one. (Please no "Bub" redux...)
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on October 16, 2013, 07:55 PM
They've largely been Hueys in the show so far, for some reason (Not real sure how many Hueys are in use in the military today, at all...  Some of our military guys may know that info more than myself...  I was thinking Hueys were largely out of service now, in any US Military capacity), but I believe the one that flew over Atlanta while Rick rode into town was a Blackhawk...  Can't recall but think it was a Huey that went down that the Governor's people discovered as well, Hueys outside the CDC and Rick's hospital as well, etc.  Seemed like a lotta Huey choppers in this series.

Blackhawks and Huey's are pretty distinctly different though...  It's been a while since I saw that one over Atlanta but I too think it was a Blackhawk or something similar.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Chris M on October 16, 2013, 11:19 PM
The Huey was retired in 2011 by the US military.  The last ones were retired in Germany.  That said, I want to say I've seen a recent picture of a couple of them being flown by the 160th SOAR.  I may be wrong and I don't recall a date on the picture.  Anyway, they have been retired from mainline service.  If they are still being used, it would probably be by some SOF organization.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Greg on October 17, 2013, 12:02 AM
Unlike the helicopters seen in Seasons 1 and 3, the one crashed on the roof was totally unrecognizable to me. Just a jumbled green CG-mess that barely looked like anything. Accuracy of equipment/weaponry shouldn't really matter though. IIRC the tank from Season 1 was a British model because they needed a hatch on the bottom, so there is precedent for going with whatever is convenient over accurate. Plus, zombie show yada yada. :D

Anyway, I thought the premier was pretty good. The "Big Spot" sequence was cool and I really liked what I saw of the new life at the prison. The subplot with Rick and Clara was strange; I enjoyed it, but at the same time it seemed forced and slightly out-of-place (like the bum in the cabin last season). I thought the disease was the best part though, and I am looking forward to seeing how it plays out... should be devastating for the prison group.

Lastly, was anyone surprised about the ratings for the premier? I was actually caught off-guard by the huge increase. I expected minimal or no growth after the disappointing Season 3 finale. Glad to see the show is still going strong and setting records though.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on October 17, 2013, 01:17 AM
Caught off guard?  Absolutely not...  I've heard nothing short of glowing praise for this show from EVERYONE really...  If anything I figured it'd be even higher.  I didn't find the finale disappointing at all either...  I liked it.  Didn't totally find it unexpected, but I liked it.

TWD is, to me, rivaled only by Game of Thrones...  Boardwalk Empire's creeping up there though.  Love it.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: JediJman on October 17, 2013, 10:53 AM
That is an interesting take for sure, I interpreted that as more of a spiritual/ethical type comeback than a mental one. Like "how can you reconcile the horrible things you have had to do to survive with your personal sense of morality?" That was kind of the thrust of their conversation, they had both done bad things but Rick was still willing to reach out and help a stranger whereas she couldn't make that leap and had crossed over to pure survival mode.

I hate to bring the comic into it, but my recollection is that crazy Rick was just a phase there too and he eventually stopped walking around with that telephone and got with the program again.

That's how I understood it as well - can you regain your humanity/soul after the horrible things you've had to do to survive?  Rick was crazy much longer in the books, but I feel like they are past that in the show already.  It's hard to compare the two because the storylines have become so different.  The virus in particular is very new.  Did anyone catch Harry Potter shaking Daryl's hand in the beginning?  I kind of knew what was coming with this, so curious to see if Daryl catches the bug.  I hope not, but based on the show to date and the comic, they have no fear of killing off even the most beloved of characters.  I can't wait to see the prison outbreak and hope they get to it quickly.  Seems dumb to me that they wouldn't have someone on watch all the time - you never know when that fence will give or someone will just plain die and turn.  What if someone has a heart attack in the middle of the night? 
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: P-Siddy on October 17, 2013, 12:26 PM
What if someone has a heart attack in the middle of the night?

That's just plain reality right there... and no one wants to see that.  The death has to be gruesome.  ;)
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: JediJman on October 17, 2013, 04:30 PM
What if someone has a heart attack in the middle of the night?

That's just plain reality right there... and no one wants to see that.  The death has to be gruesome.  ;)

That's the point though.  If some guy has a stroke and dies in his sleep, he comes back as a zombie and starts ripping into people while they sleep. You're really not safe unless you're isolated from everyone else when you're asleep.  Surprised they haven't hit on this yet.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Greg on October 17, 2013, 04:56 PM
What if someone has a heart attack in the middle of the night?

That's just plain reality right there... and no one wants to see that.  The death has to be gruesome.  ;)

That's the point though.  If some guy has a stroke and dies in his sleep, he comes back as a zombie and starts ripping into people while they sleep. You're really not safe unless you're isolated from everyone else when you're asleep.  Surprised they haven't hit on this yet.

One would think they would just lock the cells (not necessarily using the prison locks, but chains with padlocks or something) at night to  avoid an incident like someone dying in their sleep. Between not having night watches and not locking the individual cells, the group must be EXTREMELY complacent at this point.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on October 17, 2013, 05:52 PM
Agreed on cells...  No way if I were in there, would my cell be open...   I'd lock myself in and have my own mini stash of emergency food and weapons in a pack ready to roll out if needs be.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Morgbug on October 17, 2013, 11:45 PM
Agreed on cells...  No way if I were in there, would my cell be open...   I'd lock myself in and have my own mini stash of emergency food and weapons in a pack ready to roll out if needs be.

You mean like what's in my basement?   :-X
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on October 17, 2013, 11:47 PM
Hehe, I don't have a basement or I'd second that...  My stuff's just hidden in a secret place.  My special place.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BillCable on October 18, 2013, 09:44 AM
My stuff's just hidden in a secret place.  My special place.

That's what she said...

I just wanna know who hauls away all the harpooned fence zombies.  Or do they melt?
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Qui-Gon Jim on October 18, 2013, 12:32 PM

That is an interesting take for sure, I interpreted that as more of a spiritual/ethical type comeback than a mental one. Like "how can you reconcile the horrible things you have had to do to survive with your personal sense of morality?" That was kind of the thrust of their conversation, they had both done bad things but Rick was still willing to reach out and help a stranger whereas she couldn't make that leap and had crossed over to pure survival mode.

That is what I took from it too.  Could the soul come back from being inhumane, not really the psyche.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on October 18, 2013, 02:35 PM
What they should do with the fence zombies is when Darryl's out on a run look for a dozer or even a road paver.  Problem solved.

Bring back, armor it up.  No hauling away necessary...  Hell, it'll even help you make a barrier so the zombies can't get so high up on the fence by digging a bit of a trench around the perimeter.  Might need a backhoe for that, but hell it's rural Georgia...  People probably have those sitting in their front yards.

I'm actually surprised they haven't tried the overturned bus/tire wall on the INSIDE of the fence, to fortify it.  Clearly chainlink is flimsy not only against the dead, but the living.

Also some traps like in Rick's hometown would be a much more efficient way of breaking up those larger groups as well.

But yeah, buses should be fairly easy to find since they'd have surely been used a lot to shuttle victims around or evacuate people.  Woodbury's stuff may be even easy enough to get ahold of and bring back.

This group's definitely complacent.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: JediJman on October 18, 2013, 03:08 PM
The dead piling up on the outside of the fence is a great point.  At some point, you have to think that would either weight against the fence and help bring it down or enough bodies would pile up that the remaining dead would start stepping on top of them to push on the fence.  We've certainly seen more durable barriers fail with sporting events and the like - maybe that is where they're going with some of the preview scenes they showed. 

I'm not 100% clear on why there are any zombies left at the fence.  If you had 4 people killing zombies at a rate of 2 every 5 minutes (conservative versus what we saw on the show), then you'd take out 100 zombies every hour.  Just working at it one hour a day, you'd take out 3,000 zombies in one month, and that increases dramatically if you worked at it a couple of hours or had just a few more people involved.  I can't imagine they're getting that many new zombies every day - it should be simple enough to clear them all out and then an even lightler load when they need to take on new stragglers. 

Minor potential spoiler - In the comics they eventually build a reinforced wall around camp and put a moat and maze of cars all around to slow the advancing dead.  Another camp has those spikes all around like the front of the prison gates, so zombies get stuck on them and act as a deterent to any living invaders.  Plenty of time to get to all that I suppose, but there's lots more they could be doing to protect themselves.  I still think posting a few sentries 24-7 is critical - not sure I could ever sleep without that.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on October 18, 2013, 09:25 PM
My stuff's just hidden in a secret place.  My special place.

That's what she said...

I just wanna know who hauls away all the harpooned fence zombies.  Or do they melt?

Just burn them! Don't even need to waste gas, propane, kerosene work fine. Not like they're gonna burn the fence down.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on October 18, 2013, 09:55 PM
Actually it will...  Heat weakens steel over time and piles of zombies would generate a lotta heat...  I've thot homemade flamethrowers would be great but that many zombies is gonna create intense heat.  Burning them in a mote would be good tho.  Like happened at woodburys trap.  Smoke might draw unwanted live attention tho. :/

There don't seem to be pile ups of dead walkers on the fence but carol mentions the build up taking place for a while so I think its possible they're already cleaning them up in some capacity.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on October 19, 2013, 07:47 PM
Great point about the smoke, Jesse. Bad idea.

When they first got to the prison, it wasn't completely overrun, despite the fencing being down in places. Wonder what's driving them all that way now. Doesn't seem like the group is being all that high profile. Minimal noise, lighting, etc. I guess it is more of an accumulation over time, although carol does seem to indicate its been getting worse.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: CloneF13Y35 on October 19, 2013, 08:08 PM
Part of the new 'threat' is what's causing the walker build up and in the previews they've shown dead half-eaten rodents so someone in the prison is 'feeding' the walkers thus causing more to show up - kind of like stray cats lol
and it's entirely possible that maybe 'some' of the woodbury refugees are still loyal to the Gov eventhough he's missing at the moment.
but the biggest mystery right now is what's up with the bleeding eyes zombies?
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on October 20, 2013, 11:14 PM
 Season 4 Ep 2 "Swine Flu Over the Koo-koo's Nest"

I gotta ham it to Rick, when it come to dealing with walkers, he really brings home the bacon.

I found myself not Karen much about the people who died. Rick looks distraught, someone needs to Patrick on the head and tell him it's alright.

Can Carol CUT it as those girls' guardian? Her talk with the oldest got a little edgy.

Tyreese will be burning with rage next episode after what happened to his flame. They seemed like quite the match. He was really carrying a torch for her.

Yeah...


Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Chris M on October 21, 2013, 06:39 AM
Hahahaha...I see whatcha did there.^^^
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on October 22, 2013, 01:14 PM
Looks like I picked the right week to watch the new episode late On-Demand, did not miss much by way of comments.

Still feels like they are setting the table, but more focus on the walkers is always good in my book. Prisoners in Cell Block D! (Does anyone remember that show?!?!)

I find I am liking Carl a LOT more this season than ever before. He's grown up, not doing stupid stuff that gets people killed anymore, and seems to really be making the effort not only with Rick but with himself as well. I like that their relationship is solidifying once again, as evidenced by Carl relating the Carol news, and Rick actually taking Carl's advice to heart.

Loving Michonne this season as well, her character is getting a lot more depth beyond slicing walker heads. I guess the implication now is that she lost a child at some point? I don't recall that from the comics but that doesn't mean anything. It's an interesting angle.

I'm not entirely convinced that the person feeding the walkers is the same person who burned up Karen and the other guy. The two actions are essentially in direct opposition to each other. The idea with the rats seems to be to get the walkers in and make things crazy dangerous, whereas killing Karen and the other guy is more like a preemptive mood to STOP things from getting crazy dangerous if they were in fact to turn. (Although since they were already locked up maybe the fear was that they would somehow end up exposing more people)

At any rate, I don't see the unifying goal that would be served by those two things. Whoever it is doesn't seem very worried about covering their tracks. It should be easy enough to lock things down, do head counts, restrict people's access, MAYBE LOCK UP THE GASOLINE, etc.

Wouldn't surprise me if it was Carol who burned the bodies. Maybe the new army medic guy is King Rat?

Loved Rick strapping on the holsters again. Those poor piglets though!
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Tracy on October 22, 2013, 02:34 PM
The two actions are essentially in direct opposition to each other. The idea with the rats seems to be to get the walkers in and make things crazy dangerous, whereas killing Karen and the other guy is more like a preemptive mood to STOP things from getting crazy dangerous if they were in fact to turn. (Although since they were already locked up maybe the fear was that they would somehow end up exposing more people)

I didn't interpret it that way - I just assumed they were burned after they died to help stop the spread of the virus.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on October 22, 2013, 05:42 PM
Hah @ Scockery

I am thinking maybe carol killed Karen and Decatur David (we hardly knew ya).  It's just a guess because she's so hyper aggressive at the moment.  Putting Daryl and Tyrese against one another would be an interesting story dynamic too...  Like Daryl all you want, but he's a dude riding a Harley with SS runes on the tank.

 I felt worse about the pigs dying.

I think I liked seeing the girls dad die because it kept with the Zombieland theme that fatties won't survive the zombie apocalypse. (Do your cardio).
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Sybeck1 on October 22, 2013, 05:59 PM
I feel like it was Sasha that killed Karen. Can't prove of course.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on October 22, 2013, 06:32 PM
A good choice....  She maybe was being defensive of Tyrese...  Noticeably absent from the episode as well.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BillCable on October 22, 2013, 06:53 PM
I think the rat feeder is probably just sadistic, not trying to destroy the prison.  Might even be the daughter who's messed up and naming zombies.  "Does little Nicky want a snack?  Yes he does!  Nom nom nom nom."

I don't have a clue if the virus folks were preventatively murdered or disposed of post-death.  Seemed like a lot of blood on the pillow... but I suppose it could be from being attacked instead of from aspirating. 
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on October 22, 2013, 07:30 PM
I read some theory that Karen is the culprit and faked her own death with the bracelet on the burnt body.

That's better than my spontaneously combusted theory.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on October 23, 2013, 01:32 AM
Bursting into flames...  yet another threat.  Nice twist.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Diddly on October 23, 2013, 07:16 AM
Still getting a kick out of this pic

(http://i.imgur.com/c0p9ZvH.png)
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt on October 23, 2013, 07:27 PM
Fox News: America's obsession with 'The Walking Dead' is hurting our society (http://www.foxnews.com/health/2013/10/17/dr-manny-america-obsession-with-zombies-is-hurting-our-society/?intcmp=latestnews)

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   By Dr. Manny Alvarez

Dr Manny's Notes
Published October 17, 2013
FoxNews.com

Is watching “The Walking Dead” seriously hurting American society?

I would argue ‘Yes.’  Hate me all you want, or call me paranoid and misinformed, but there is one common theme that is pervasive in American pop culture today: violence.  Even more specifically, zombie violence. The idea of a zombie-infested world inspires fantasies of monsters possessed by an uncontrollable rage to kill, and viewers get a thrill imagining what it would be like to participate in this new world order.

We also see this zombie obsession in many videogames.  Even more disturbingly, these games create environments for young children, in which they are exposed to an imaginary world where they get to play with firearms and place themselves in dangerous situations that they find exciting.  And studies have shown that these videogames can sometimes condition people, especially young children, to be apathetic towards violence.  That’s why they’re labeled M for Mature.

This obsession with the undead in television and other media is quite puzzling.  The concept of zombies has been around for decades, and their mythology has even been studied by scientists to prove that such an outbreak can never occur. Yet, whether it be in books or film, zombie popularity has only increased after having originally been popularized by the 1960s film, “The Night of the Living Dead.”

Now, it seems that zombies on television are part of our daily routine.  The obsession also permeates into other facets of our lives, such as with so-called Zombie Runs, in which people dressed as zombies chase other “civilians” to make them run faster towards the finish line.  Even scientists at the National Institutes of Health have spent time creating an apocalyptic how-to guide on dealing with a zombie outbreak.

Give me a break. As a doctor and scientist, I know one thing for sure: When you’re dead, you’re dead.  Our brains should be less focused on imaginary zombie hordes and more focused on harnessing the tools that we need in order to enhance our lives, whether it be music, education, science or the classics. Entertainment should help us soothe our brains so that we can ease our minds of some of the stress from our daily lives. 

With this country heading towards a socialized system of government, in which officials don’t want you to think or focus on what is important for your own personal growth, I’m sure they’re more than happy to let you obsess over something as stupid as zombies. 

And in turn, you ultimately become the zombie.

Wake up and smell the coffee.  Stop obsessing over eating brains, and focus on cultivating your own.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on October 23, 2013, 08:44 PM
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Hate me all you want, or call me paranoid and misinformed

It's ok, I already took your advice when I read where you work. :)
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on October 23, 2013, 09:44 PM
LOL, well said.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Qui-Gon Jim on October 24, 2013, 02:28 PM
If you take TWD and change it for Keeping up with the Kwhorda$$hian$, then he'd have a point.  TWD isn't a huge deep drama, but it does have some social commentary. 
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on October 24, 2013, 05:54 PM
What entertainment is there beside sex and violence?

Humour...some of that has sex and violence.

Gambling. That's healthier, right?

Drugs.

Watching other people play sports? *yawn* Some of those are violent. People get seriously injured in football. Maybe it's hurting American society.

Seriously, violence has been American entertainment for a long time. We don't have heroes shooting guns out of people's hands much anymore...though we still have one-punch knock-outs in pop culture.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on October 24, 2013, 07:14 PM
I would disagree that TWD isn't a thinking series...  I think the fact that the series setting in a zombie apocalypse is widely regarded as nothing but secondary to the story's character development is a direct contradiction to that view of the series...  It's maybe not THE deepest TV show and/or dramatic story told in history, but I think it's a very intellectual and well written show...  Gratuitous violence doesn't diminish that.

You could take the zombies out, and make it some other dramatic situation which the characters are in, and it would be just as good...  People fixate on the zombies and the gore a little too much I think.  You could center it around a major historical event like the World War I or the Fall of Rome, and get similar results I think.

I've always said it, but the zombies are really just secondary...  they're like the weather.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Qui-Gon Jim on October 25, 2013, 09:47 AM
I completely agree, Jesse.  The zombies are a conceit to examine what could happen when societal structures fall apart.  I always get a kick out of the gore, but the character moments are what keep me watching.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: P-Siddy on October 25, 2013, 01:28 PM
Heck, could argue the same about BSG.  Take the Cylons out and the wiping out the colonies, what would there be.  These shows (BSG and TWD) open dialogues on the human character and how people react to dire circumstances.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Tracy on October 27, 2013, 11:09 PM
Wonder if that will put a damper on the whole Carol/Daryl slow-burning romance..... :o. And I wonder how Daryl will feel about his vow to put a bullet into whoever did it once he finds out it was Carol.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on October 27, 2013, 11:42 PM
Wasn't enough they killed Zach, but now his car, too.

I wouldn't count on a Dodge before the apocalypse, much less after. (I made the same joke about Defiance).

Will Rick find some patsy for Carol or tell everyone?

"That guy did it, but he died of the disease."

"Rick, that guy was 75 and walked with a limp."

"Shut-up, Daryl."
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on October 28, 2013, 03:51 AM
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I am thinking maybe carol killed Karen and Decatur David (we hardly knew ya).  It's just a guess because she's so hyper aggressive at the moment.  Putting Daryl and Tyrese against one another would be an interesting story dynamic too...  Like Daryl all you want, but he's a dude riding a Harley with SS runes on the tank.

Me FTW!

I lean towards the patsy angle, but it tears up Carol inside...  I was talking about this tonight with my mother (she's a huge fan, which is kinda funny.  She likes dissecting everything about an episode as much as we do but computers scare her, so she won't be joining in).

She doesn't agree, but I think Rick blames a dead sick person who croaked while they were out getting meds...  Rick says, "Yeah, 'Decatur Bob' told us right before he died...  case closed!", and everything's relatively hunky dory except Carol's a bad liar.  Might come to a head at some point, but IF there's not patsy angle, I'd say Carol's dead and Tyrese's time with the group is near its own end because I can't see Daryl going away or letting Tyrese go batty on Carol.

Carol's still a ***** btw...  For all her hard speak, and all the Carol gushing on Talking Dead, she still got her machete stuck in a zombies head and fell down.  Chicks, I tell ya.  ::)  :-*

Speaking of Talking Dead...

So, yeah, Kevin Smith officially usurped as the biggest *******/most annoying guest they have...  Marilyn Manson now wears the tiara.  I think the other two guests didn't get to speak nearly enough, despite both sounding like they had much better things to say.  And Manson was largely incoherent and droned on in failed attempts to sound like he was thinking deep about every aspect of the show.  He was horrible, and given Hardwick's treatment of him at times, I don't think he'll be back any time soon.  Twiggy should come on though.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on October 28, 2013, 11:13 AM
So, yeah, Kevin Smith officially usurped as the biggest *******/most annoying guest they have...  Marilyn Manson now wears the tiara.  I think the other two guests didn't get to speak nearly enough, despite both sounding like they had much better things to say.  And Manson was largely incoherent and droned on in failed attempts to sound like he was thinking deep about every aspect of the show.  He was horrible, and given Hardwick's treatment of him at times, I don't think he'll be back any time soon.  Twiggy should come on though.

OMG, you took the words right out of my mouth. That was literally UNWATCHABLE. And I really wanted to hear what Gale Hurd had to say but I simply could not take another second of that ******bag.

 "At no point in your rambling incoherent response were you even close to anything that resembled a rational thought."

I guessed right on Carol too, but not in this forum sadly so I do not get credit. :(  Still time to get your bets in on the rat-feeder though. (Going with one of those girls)

Here is the main problem with carol: her head is in the right place, but not her heart. She is making decisions now UNILATERALLY for the entire group and making her own determination on what's best. That is a huge problem. THAT IS WHAT THE COUNCIL IS FOR! If she had done any of this stuff with their blessing that is one thing but clearly that is not the case.

Tyreese isn't going anywhere, so this gets resolved eventually. Maybe Carol dies, maybe not. I think Rick has learned his lesson about not coming clean in the past though, so I am hopeful he handles this the right way. I mean, he just needs to get everyone together in one big room and then tell them what happened. Don't let it fester.

And after all that, Carol never even goes to check on Sasha, LOL.

That was one sick looking black eye, ouch.

So what happens if a walker dies and falls in the little river where they're getting all their fresh drinking water from? That does not seem very sanitary.

Good episode though, every one without the Governor is a real delight.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Greg on October 28, 2013, 12:08 PM
Good episode last night... I loved getting to see more of Tyrese. The fight with Rick was great, and the moment during the group's run was epic. Last week I didn't suspect Carol as the murderer, but I knew it was going to be her when she was present during the opening scene. It was an interesting choice for the story and definitely has me re-thinking the murders as possible mercy killings. It was still a very Shane-esque decision on Carol's part, and I look forward to seeing how Rick deals with it. 
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on October 28, 2013, 01:42 PM
You know what...maybe...RICK AND CAROL HOOK UP. That's what this is leading to.

Marilyn Manson,  they need more guests like him so I can stop watching Talking Dead and do something more worthwhile.

I briefly suspected that Hershell was gathering poison plants to kill all the infected. He was  being suspicious about going outside alone.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: name on October 28, 2013, 05:04 PM
Three black people went out with one white guy, and none of them died.

I don't even know what show I'm watching anymore.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BrentS on October 28, 2013, 05:18 PM
Three black people went out with one white guy, and none of them died.

I don't even know what show I'm watching anymore.

I thought we were going to lose one for sure. I'm still it sure how Tyreese made it out. I figured he would as it didn't seem like it was his time yet.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on October 28, 2013, 08:14 PM
When Tyrese didn't leave with the group, but then showed up, it's like the show's writers were dicking with us and did that on purpose.

"Look, we'll make 'em think Tyrese is the black person who doesn't come back!"

How nervous is the guy with the SS Runes on his fuel tank too?  Am I right?  It's like a Chappelle skit.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on October 29, 2013, 08:58 AM
Can't believe I forgot to mention the bit about the radio. It was quickly overshadowed by the car hijiinks with the herd, but who WAS that on the radio?

Seems like maybe a good way to introduce another comic favorite...drum roll please: ABRAHAM

You read it here first.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BrentS on October 29, 2013, 09:08 AM
Can't believe I forgot to mention the bit about the radio. It was quickly overshadowed by the car hijiinks with the herd, but who WAS that on the radio?

Seems like maybe a good way to introduce another comic favorite...drum roll please: ABRAHAM

You read it here first.

The show producer mentioned something about the Comics in reference to the radio part. Well she said it may or may not be related to the comics. Having not read the comics, I have no reference.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt on October 29, 2013, 09:29 AM
Can't believe I forgot to mention the bit about the radio. It was quickly overshadowed by the car hijiinks with the herd, but who WAS that on the radio?

Seems like maybe a good way to introduce another comic favorite...drum roll please: ABRAHAM

You read it here first.

News of Abraham's casting got out a couple weeks ago. No one mentioned it here, though.

‘Walking Dead’ Adds Michael Cudlitz, Josh McDermitt; First Photo Of Sgt. Abraham Ford (http://www.deadline.com/2013/10/walking-dead-michael-cudlitz-josh-mcdermitt-first-photo-abraham-ford/)
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on October 29, 2013, 12:46 PM
Can't believe I forgot to mention the bit about the radio. It was quickly overshadowed by the car hijiinks with the herd, but who WAS that on the radio?

Seems like maybe a good way to introduce another comic favorite...drum roll please: ABRAHAM

You read it here first.

News of Abraham's casting got out a couple weeks ago. No one mentioned it here, though.

‘Walking Dead’ Adds Michael Cudlitz, Josh McDermitt; First Photo Of Sgt. Abraham Ford (http://www.deadline.com/2013/10/walking-dead-michael-cudlitz-josh-mcdermitt-first-photo-abraham-ford/)

Yeo, I had read that too, so I wasn't really going out on a limb I guess. Can't wait for these guys to show up, we need more studs for Team Rick. Good stuff!
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Tracy on October 29, 2013, 02:08 PM
Carol's still a ***** btw...  For all her hard speak, and all the Carol gushing on Talking Dead, she still got her machete stuck in a zombies head and fell down.  Chicks, I tell ya.  ::)  :-*


Hey!  Her hands were slippery from all of the mud! >:( ;)
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on October 29, 2013, 08:43 PM
In the zombie apocalypse, there's no excuse for slick hands.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: name on October 30, 2013, 10:07 AM
In the zombie apocalypse, there's no excuse for slick hands.

In her additional defense, I would say it's been a while since she's had to kill a freshly reanimated corpse.  Maybe she's gotten used to spongey skulls.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: CloneF13Y35 on November 3, 2013, 03:32 PM
now let's see who lives and who dies; can the search team of michonne, daryl, bob and tyreese get the meds - if there any still any left? Will hershels' elderberry drink help those who aren't too sick eventhough he himself is most definitely infected. will the walkers finally push over one of the fences or will more of them get partially shredded on the fence?
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on November 3, 2013, 11:26 PM
Will antibiotics work against a flu? NO. (okay, they haven't said what the illness is.)

Will everyone Rick meets die? Is he to people what Bob is to groups?

Does Carol base her decisions on horror movies? "Split up, cover more ground."
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Chris M on November 4, 2013, 06:59 AM
I thought last nights episode was great.  It's amazing to me how going into four seasons they can still develop a character even more.  Rick, needless to say has been a wild ride and will continue to be after last night.

Darryl, I don't even know what to say.  His character continues to grow deeper and deeper.  As for Carol, I'll be interested to see what happens to her, how Darryl and the group react, and it affects everyone else.  Part of me says Rick made the right decision for Carol.  She would get killed as soon as people find out what she did.  I think even Darryl would be a little pissed about her.  I'm basing that on how he handled the alcoholic and what he said about making friends and trusting them.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on November 4, 2013, 11:09 AM
Great episode. Rick TOTALLY saved Carol, that was an act of mercy. I think it was great that he never even entertained the idea of not telling everyone what went down. Keep the group strong. Carol's downfall was exactly what she tried to accuse Rick of - making decisions for the group. She could have easily gone to the Council and explained her rationale befoer kiloing Karen and David. But her whole end-around philosophy is not going to work in a group where trust is paramount right now.

I did not catch her interview on Talking Dead, but I am certain we will see her again. Hopefully not rolling up to the prison in a big-ass tank with the Gov. She didn't exactly put up much a fight as far as getting banished. (Loved how she told Rick she would "handle" Tyreese, sure you would) It seemed like she and Rick sort of arrived at a mutual understanding there at the end.

And what else could he have done really? This really was the ideal solution. You can't try to lie or cover it up, you can't let her stay there after what happened, and you can't just let Tyreese kill her without a lot of bad blood lingering. He took the best option, ultimately IMO.

So how did those two doofuses ever survive that long? I continue to be surprised when they encounter people who seem relatively normal. At this point I feel like everyone scrounging around out on their own would be pretty bad off, mentally, spiritually, emotionally, etc. Good thing dude left the keys in his car.

I don't think I fully grasped the Bob/Darryl beef. Was he pissed that Bob only took the bottle and no meds? Or that he took the bottle at all? I thought Michonne was carrying all the meds they collected. I can't believe Darryl didn't take that bottle and throw it off the roof and tell him to go get it.

Are we supposed to forget that someone was feeding the walkers rats? I keep waiting for them to get back to that.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Sybeck1 on November 4, 2013, 12:34 PM
Good new people...and now their gone....
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on November 4, 2013, 12:41 PM
Darryl was pissed that Bob risked his life and theirs for the bag that only had booze in it, instead of just letting it go. Michonne had the meds.

The bleeding eye walkers are like a new video game level..."can't kill them, risk infection". 



Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BillCable on November 4, 2013, 12:42 PM
Good new people...and now their gone....

Their gone what?

Carol went full-on cold-blooded.  I was half expecting Rick to put her down for her crimes. 
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on November 4, 2013, 01:15 PM
Darryl was pissed that Bob risked his life and theirs for the bag that only had booze in it, instead of just letting it go. Michonne had the meds.

Thanks, that was pretty much what I surmised, was just worried I had missed something.

Also got confused on why it was such a cluster**** getting out of the Vet school. Why didn't they just go back the way they came?

BTW, Chris Jericho >>> Marilyn Manson
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on November 4, 2013, 01:52 PM

Also got confused on why it was such a cluster**** getting out of the Vet school. Why didn't they just go back the way they came?


I was wondering that, too. It's not like they were familiar with the place.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Diddly on November 5, 2013, 11:02 PM
What I don't understand is why didn't the group take ALL of the meds? I mean, you never know what could happen, might as well be prepared, especially if there are all sorts of pills there.

As for that random couple, something's up. The leg was a little too cleanly cut, and homeboy just vanished...

Carol's not gone, a least I don't think she is. She's become too much of a badass and too major of a character to just write off like that. Maybe she comes into contact with our good friend Phillip?
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on November 5, 2013, 11:56 PM
I don't know if anything is up with the couple, like the hermit in the cabin from season 3 and woman in the woods with Rick...just another oddball encounter with people who survived until they unfortunately met Rick Grimes.  :(
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on November 6, 2013, 02:18 AM
I loved the episode too...  But I agree with some points brought up.

Why not leave the vet school the same way?  Really odd situation.  I read a synopsis online that stated that their old path was blocked, but I don't recall a mention or visual of that...  One can assume it I guess, but still it's weird and I just don't recall them saying or showing that at all.

What are the odds that shop just happened to have a battery on the rack for that van?  That's possible but also not likely.  It's also not likely that you'll fix it that easily after it's sat for 2 years without the fluids in it (they were really REALLY filling those).

Totally agree on the meds too...  Why leave any?  What might you need down the road? 

Agree on the kids...  Really?  These two manage?  I'd think the fat guy on a hove-a-round with a neck like a pack of hotdogs would have a greater chance of survival than these two nudniks but stranger things have happened I guess.  There was a sort of implication that they "sneak" around more than engage zombies.  Kind of like Glen used to do things.

Jerricho, definitely...  What a disaster that was last week, but Jerricho this week should sit in EVERY week.  Dude dominated, and thinks stuff out to logical conclusions.  I dug him.  No clue who the girl was but she can sit around looking cute too I guess, but Jerricho even acknowledging last week's debacle was just great on his part too.

Carol, they were gushing over her on TD, and personally I think it was misplaced praise...

Carol DID F up by ignoring Rick and going out to clean the hose line.  Rick saved her.  She'd be dead without him risking his life to fix her going "Shane Mode" there.

Carol DID F up by killing Karen and Decatur Dave...  And again, her ****** decision changed nothing and made a bad situation worse by pitting herself against Tyrese and forcing Rick to choose what to do there.

Carol DID F up the kids...  2 new people, idiots as they were and relatively useless it seemed (except for laboring back at camp) were killed because, once again, Carol went "Shane Mode" on Rick and overrode him right in front of them.  They'd said they needed to pop off 5 rounds to bring down a walker.  They didn't have a knife on them it seemed.  And the girl had a spooky foot.  You can't have spooky foots in the zombie apocalypse.

That's 3 major flubs by Carol right there...  but on Talking Dead they're saying how she's become a better leader than Rick...  Oh REALLY?  ::)  Yeah, no.  She's making decisions coldly, but she's clearly making the wrong ones routinely.  That's a bad leader.  Shane was a better leader.  Seriously.

Being cold and indifferent can be good, when you need to be.  But Carol I think fancied herself far tougher than she actually is...  Like McMetal said, she's saying, "I'll handle Tyrese".  Riiiiiiiiggggghhhhhttttt...  with your slippery fingers on your machete?

I went from being a Carol fan to sort of not liking her anymore this past episode.

At least Rick sent her off in what appeared to be a nice sensible Ford wagon.

So at the end of the day, besides the Carol praise on TD, and a couple questionable (but possible I guess) plot holes, I liked the episode a ton... 

Oh and yeah I'll reiterate the Bob thing...  Darryl/Bob talked about his demons and Darryl pats him on the back, only to have Darryl, Tyrese, and Michone have to save Bob because he's hanging onto a half-drunk bottle of Old Crow like he's Elsa and it's the Holy Grail about to cross the seal (Matt will hate that reference).

Bob f'd up.  And needed to fill that with some of those friggin' meds they left behind!

And man those traps would be awesome to have too...  Cages up in trees just out of zombie reach with rats?  You'd have a great barrier in the forest around the prison if you did a bunch of those up.

A totally side gripe about the series overall is the mechanical inaccuracies...  I brought it up a little with the battery "luck" and seemingly easy fix there, but gasoline goes bad when it sits and it had sat in that van for some time...  That alone, it can be tough to turn a car over that's sat after 2 years, much less modern ones with fuel injection and stuff.  That's why things like Sea Foam and Lucas Fuel Injector Cleaner works...  Bad gas can easily stall any car out.  They have gas to spare at times it seems though too...  Again that seems off.

Bio Diesel I'd buy...  But not all the gas they're coming up with.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Greg on November 6, 2013, 09:02 AM
A totally side gripe about the series overall is the mechanical inaccuracies...  I brought it up a little with the battery "luck" and seemingly easy fix there, but gasoline goes bad when it sits and it had sat in that van for some time...  That alone, it can be tough to turn a car over that's sat after 2 years, much less modern ones with fuel injection and stuff.  That's why things like Sea Foam and Lucas Fuel Injector Cleaner works...  Bad gas can easily stall any car out.  They have gas to spare at times it seems though too...  Again that seems off.

Bio Diesel I'd buy...  But not all the gas they're coming up with.

The gas thing (and also just overall shelf life of stuff) has bothered me slightly. I think Rick mentioned expiration dates on medications, so at least they haven't ignored that aspect totally. It has been two years or so in story-time, so hopefully the group will have to get more creative. Michonne has the right idea with a horse.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on November 6, 2013, 11:51 AM
Rick had the horse idea first, but then got his horse killed, of course.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt on November 6, 2013, 12:31 PM
No clue who the girl was but she can sit around looking cute too I guess

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Oh and yeah I'll reiterate the Bob thing...  Darryl/Bob talked about his demons and Darryl pats him on the back, only to have Darryl, Tyrese, and Michone have to save Bob because he's hanging onto a half-drunk bottle of Old Crow like he's Elsa and it's the Holy Grail about to cross the seal (Matt will hate that reference).

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Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: CHEWIE on November 6, 2013, 04:31 PM
Maybe she comes into contact with our good friend Phillip?

Or ends up with a role in the spinoff series.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BrentS on November 6, 2013, 06:08 PM
Maybe she comes into contact with our good friend Phillip?

Or ends up with a role in the spinoff series.

I hadn't thought about that!  Could be the long term plan.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on November 6, 2013, 07:39 PM
So far they've said the spin-off is a whole new thing...  or so sayeth Nicotero...  He's excited to explore new characters.  Maybe down the road, but at this stage I wouldn't expect any interaction with the TWD crew at all.

I was thinking the Governor angle too...  She may harbor a bit of resentment too, though I agree, Rick was sparing her.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Diddly on November 8, 2013, 03:50 AM
No clue who the girl was but she can sit around looking cute too I guess

Check out a movie called Choke, where she plays a stripper and takes various clothing off

And yeah I thought I read the spinoff was supposed to take place somewhere else in the country, like California or something.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Sybeck1 on November 8, 2013, 02:10 PM
Check out a movie called Choke, where she plays a stripper and takes various clothing off


Well worth a Google search
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Sybeck1 on November 8, 2013, 02:16 PM
You speak of gas and batteries, I could see tires dry rotting and being worthless in a few years.

I look for Carol to be right at the point of death by walkers and the Guv rescuing her. Hey and guess what he does not know who she is because they never met and she learns of his plans for the people in the prison. She would not betray Rick I think, but mainly for those girls.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on November 8, 2013, 06:57 PM
Absolutely on the tires...  And hoses and belts...  Cars let sit for years rarely just pop back to life.  The older a car the better in this world.  And two modern mopar muscle cars in the show despite in one instance it being a clearly bad choice is suspect. ;) Musta paid for the cgi those weeks.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: GrandMoffNick on November 8, 2013, 07:48 PM
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Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt_Fury on November 9, 2013, 12:25 AM
Don't forget that in the time since the outbreak...it's only been about a year and a half...two years tops.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Chris M on November 9, 2013, 08:37 AM
Absolutely on the tires...  And hoses and belts...  Cars let sit for years rarely just pop back to life.  The older a car the better in this world.  And two modern mopar muscle cars in the show despite in one instance it being a clearly bad choice is suspect. ;) Musta paid for the cgi those weeks.

Absolutely agree with this, especially about the old cars.  When I deployed in 2002, I left my truck at my mom's house.  I told my step dad to take it out and drive it to work about once a week just to allow the tires to roll over, belts to flex, and so the gas wouldn't just sit in the tank and turn to gunk.

However, I'll give TWD a pass on the dynamics of the cars just because I love the show and don't want to nitpick too much.  I appreciate that they have no electricity and that was one of the first things to go.  Once people stop working at the power plants, the power goes out.  The History Channel did a show a few years ago called "Life after People." Really good show and I think they said the lights might stay out 2-4 weeks if people weren't around before the fuel would run out and the automated systems would shut down.  Nuclear power would be a little different and might actually end with a nuclear meltdown because nobody was around to manage the cooling system for the fuel rods.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: CloneF13Y35 on November 9, 2013, 10:43 AM
Good real world discussion, my friends at work and I discussed some of this recently. Whether it was an EMP that totally knocked out all electronics, the huge loss of people to run the power plants, service the grid etc. most things we take for granted would cease to work. I know they can't dwell too much on the details of why there's no electricity, where do they get gas from - and how is it still good; wouldn't part of it evaporate enough that it wouldn't have the chemical potency to work? And how after all this time, why aren't more walkers decomposing faster due to less 'fresh meat' for them to feast on?
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Sybeck1 on November 9, 2013, 11:46 AM
At the end of the second season they of course showed the prison in the background. After that it was pictured like they roamed for months around it. I still can't get past that a deputy sheriff in the same state didnt know where the prison was, let alone no signs were seen or that it was only accessible by a dirt road. When Tyresse and Sasha came in they came in through a breach in high brick walls. Given that I would looking for ways to live there, but it is a show, with a bad set.

Just how long could wildlife that dont live in the ground on in the ground survive. Animals would need rest but these walkers never have to stop
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on November 9, 2013, 01:24 PM
In the comics Grimes was a deputy from Cynthiana, Kentucky, they are currently in Georgia.  On the show he's from King County, GA (which does not exist?). States have more than one prison, so I can give Rick a pass on that. The gravel road never made sense, though, nor does having a tree line so close.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Chris M on November 10, 2013, 11:07 PM
Interesting...wonder how the whole Rick/Darryl dynamic is going to play out now.

Good episode and certainly leading up to a good one next week.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on November 10, 2013, 11:17 PM
Hershell was the Man in that episode.

Carting off the dead so no one would see them get head stabbed was too risky, though.

2 assault rifles and some ammo take out a lot of walkers...could've been done sooner since the fence situation was waaay out of hand already.

Dogs chewing on that walker's guts in the opening? Black dogs, too...which were an old omen of death.

Talking Dead has become lazy (two of those folks turned walkers had names...Henry and Mr. Jacobson, but Talking Dead couldn't be bothered) and so boring I fell asleep twice and it was still on, I hung out till the end and they showed the clip from next week that was...the same clip from the end credits.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Chris M on November 11, 2013, 06:37 AM
I don't bother with Talking Dead anymore.  Hardwick is an idiot and not very funny at all.  I DVR so I can get the preview for the next week.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on November 11, 2013, 09:32 AM
Yeah, Talking Dead needs to go back to 30 minutes, an hour is just too long. By the second half they are just treading water, going over obvious stuff. (OMG, remember when they had "musical guests"?) The guys they had last night were good, but there's only so much you can stretch those conversations out.

So, thus ends the best part of this season. I really, really was hoping they would save the Governor reveal until the last episode before the winter break. I'm not ready to go back there, the show has been SO GOOD without him.

Nothing against the actor, or even the writers really, but the whole Governor thing just sucks the life out of this entire show. The walkers, to me, are a much more compelling adversary. I just hope if nothing else that they decide to wrap this thing up once and for all this season. I absolutely do not want them to pull the Lost - Michael Emerson card and write the dude into the show long term because they think he's such a great actor. People and storylines in this show have a natural shelf life.

Enough looking ahead though. Hershel kicked ass again, Rick and Carl bonded over the slaughterama, and Maggie got to break an axe and shoot out a window! I even found myself liking Lizzie for a second with her gutsy attempt to save Glenn, up to the point where she remembered she was a girl and had to trip and fall down.  ::)

Nothing like getting intibated with a used, blood and vomit-encrusted intibator. Good luck, Glenn! (I was seriously worried for him there at one point)

I think Rick and Darryl will be fine. Darryl will be pissed probably yeah, but as much at Carol as Rick i think. He was the one who said he'd put a bolt in the culprit himself after all. I'm much more curious to see what Tyreese's reaction will be. How pissed is he gonna be that they let her go?

RE: scenes from next week - who on Earth could sleep peacefully in a nylon tent in the zombie apocalypse? That's the best you could do for accommodations over the past 6 months? And where are Tweedledee and Tweedeledum?
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: CHEWIE on November 11, 2013, 11:08 AM
Just how long could wildlife that dont live in the ground on in the ground survive. Animals would need rest but these walkers never have to stop

I think that wildlife would actually thrive in this type of scenario.  Less roadkill, less human intervention with their habitats, less hunting, etc... and walkers are generally slow and stupid... smaller animals have to be hard for them to catch.  I can't imagine them often being able to catch rabbits, squirrels, etc.

As for the walkers never having to stop, in the comics there is evidence that eventually they "run out of gas."  I'm a bit behind in the comics to see if this was really explained in much detail. 
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Greg on November 11, 2013, 11:31 AM
Just how long could wildlife that dont live in the ground on in the ground survive. Animals would need rest but these walkers never have to stop

I think that wildlife would actually thrive in this type of scenario.  Less roadkill, less human intervention with their habitats, less hunting, etc... and walkers are generally slow and stupid... smaller animals have to be hard for them to catch.  I can't imagine them often being able to catch rabbits, squirrels, etc.

As for the walkers never having to stop, in the comics there is evidence that eventually they "run out of gas."  I'm a bit behind in the comics to see if this was really explained in much detail.

I think the walkers would eventually rot away. I'm guessing the consumption of people and/or animals either slows or completely stops the decomposition process, then the rotting either accelerates or resumes as the walkers go without food.

As for wildlife, I think most animals would adapt to walkers being around. Bears and wolves would likely have no problems taking out walkers, while less violent creatures such as deer would just run from them. The domesticated animals would be easy meals though, like Hershel's cows in Season 2.

Nothing like getting intibated with a used, blood and vomit-encrusted intibator. Good luck, Glenn! (I was seriously worried for him there at one point)

I think Rick and Darryl will be fine. Darryl will be pissed probably yeah, but as much at Carol as Rick i think. He was the one who said he'd put a bolt in the culprit himself after all. I'm much more curious to see what Tyreese's reaction will be. How pissed is he gonna be that they let her go?

RE: scenes from next week - who on Earth could sleep peacefully in a nylon tent in the zombie apocalypse? That's the best you could do for accommodations over the past 6 months? And where are Tweedledee and Tweedeledum?

Did Hershel sterilize the breathing device? I thought I saw him holding a bottle of something to clean it, but it could have just been the device. **** moved fast during that scene!

I can't wait for Rick to tell Daryl the news. The redneck hero is going to be so conflicted. I'm sure he'll feel betrayed that it was his good friend who did the killing (similar to his reaction to Bob with the booze) while being pissed at Rick for banishing Carol immediately.

There's a preview on AMC's website for next week that shows Martinez. I'm guessing Shumpert is around as well, but sleeping peacefully in his zombie-proof tent.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: CloneF13Y35 on November 11, 2013, 05:59 PM
Another really good episode, imho ;)
I like how urgent the situations inside and outside became as Hershel tended to and dispatched the dead while the fence attack was cool to see!
This was a great episode for Maggie/Lauren fans as she was showcased very well - again imho :)
They didn't shy away from talking about Carol, I like how Maggie kept asking Rick about her and I'm glad he didn't mince words or underplay it.
But once Daryl and Tyreese find out Rick cut her loose - all heckdoodle is gonna break loose between those two - IF the reveal of the Gov doesn't force them to deal with another threat instead of having time to fight about Carol.
I'm still very satisfied with the pacing, story telling and character development so far this season!
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt_Fury on November 11, 2013, 09:07 PM
I think next week will be an hour long episode about what the Governor and his cronies have been up to since they left.  S those waiting for the Rick/Darryl confrontation will most likely have to wait two weeks.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on November 12, 2013, 12:48 AM
It's been pointed out on Talking Dead (and on the show actually) that zombies go into a "hibernation" mode...  Once there's a certain time of inactivity for them, they just basically go to sleep...

And they are starving, though very, very slowly.

I think the dogs were something of foreshadowing of future threats...  Animals would almost inevitably become a problem.

Anyway, I think the episode was great...  My favorite part was really the bonding between Carl and Rick...  Some badassery there.  Though I think the only reason they hadn't gotten to that point yet was they didn't want to use the ammo up...  Carl chucking a new magazine to his old man though, that's some classic stuff.  Carl's one of the best in the camp at this point.

I liked the ending...  I think that solidified who was luring walkers to the fence.

I didn't mind Talking Dead, and frankly I think Hardwick's a great comic...  His show on CC now is pretty great, and he  had a stand-up special this past year that spoke to the nerd community.  I think last week's TD was better than this week, but for some reason this week just didn't have as much to talk about.  I thought the guests were pretty decent again though, but this really was just an episode there wasn't as much to chit chat about.  Sometimes the hour isn't enough, especially when writers or producers are on talking about the things in the show that are either only vaguely implied or not really spoken of at all but which are intended (like the zombies starving, for instance).

I'd like a count of how much fodder is left in the prison at this point...  No clue how many people are still there.

And I agree, I thought Glenn was going out vomiting on the floor.  Glad he got bailed out there, but really they played up the tension well this episode I thought.

And I agree again, I think the Governor's going to be pretty much all of next week's episode with very little of the group.  :-\  Might be interesting I guess, to see his perspective of the time elapsed here. 
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt on November 12, 2013, 02:22 PM
Chris Hardwick sucks. If AMC has to have two hours of Walking Dead content every Sunday night, I'd rather they give fifteen more minutes to the show itself and take Talking Dead down to 45. It's ridiculous that they gave that crapfest a full hour.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: GrandMoffNick on November 12, 2013, 02:27 PM
I used to really enjoy "Talking Dead", but agree its obnoxious now. I don't remember if that coincided with the switch from 30 to 60, but either way it needs to go back to 30.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BillCable on November 12, 2013, 02:38 PM
Or you can... you know... not watch it.   :-*

Or watch the first 30 minutes...   8)

I never watch it so I have no complaints.  Make it 6 hours.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: GrandMoffNick on November 12, 2013, 02:42 PM
Or you can... you know... not watch it.   :-*

Or watch the first 30 minutes...   8)

I never watch it so I have no complaints.  Make it 6 hours.

You'd think that would make sense, but somehow it doesn't work that way.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on November 12, 2013, 02:50 PM
I'd be cool with 45 minutes...  60 is a little much, but the week before last was great I thought, and very interesting conversation...  The week before that, it was dismal, but it's tough not to pin that on Manson completely.

I'd like more insight into the show...  Insider opinion is far more entertaining on TD than watching Marilyn Manson and Jack Osborne's opinions...  Sometimes you get a good guest, like Jerricho, but usually a good guest is Nicoterro or one of the writers or effects guys.  There should be one every episode for it to really be worthwhile.

And Hardwick's funny so eat it.  >:(
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on November 12, 2013, 03:12 PM
Or you can... you know... not watch it.   :-*


My general response to the recent controversies about late night talk show hosts.  I suspect most of the complainers never watch Conan or Kimmel.

However, the Talking Dead used to be more engaging. Now, not so much, especially when's there's no show people on.  And this is coming from people who watch it.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Qui-Gon Jim on November 12, 2013, 03:40 PM
I think that the bad part of TWD this week was Breckin Meyer.  Dude must have connected parents because he's gotten SO many chances to bomb.  He really sucks.  Not near the Manson line, but down there.  Chris Jericho was really good.  The show is at its best when someone from production or cast is a guest.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt on November 12, 2013, 03:42 PM
Most of the people that would offer the best insight into the show are all behind-the-scenes, but the average WD viewer isn't gonna watch a bunch of no-names talk to each other on a couch for sixty minutes. So instead we get episode commentary and analysis from these third-rate "celebrities." It doesn't exactly make for good TV, either way.

One of the editors of Breaking Bad, Kelley Dixon, started doing an insider podcast early into that show's run, and they were really interesting and entertaining to listen to. She's edited on Walking Dead too. It'd be cool if she (or someone) could put together a similar podcast for Walking Dead. I'm kind of surprised there's not one already.

Re: Hardwick

I just do not find the dude funny in the slightest. I watched his stand-up special and I don't think I laughed once during the whole thing. A lot of people must like what he's doing, though. He's been on TV in some form or another for, what, like almost twenty years now?
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on November 12, 2013, 05:35 PM
Between the dating show and The Nerdist I honestly don't recall anything he did, but I enjoyed his stand-up special more than I thought I would, and his new show Midnight I find funny actually.  TD, he's sometimes all that's holding it together.  Look at the way he clearly had more than enough of Manson.  Tell me with a straight face you thought he handled that poorly.  :)

Last week's show, again, was very good...  This week, not so much.  And Manson week, it was unwatchable.

Never watched The Nerdist but heard good things.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: CloneF13Y35 on November 12, 2013, 06:15 PM
Like many of you - I didn't like hardwick at first and that was when it was 30 min - i think they were trying to cram too much into a short show and he was way too hyper. But when it went to 60 min, I've felt he's evened out his over-enthusiastic geekdom and is a little more tolerable. I also agree the producers like gayle-ann or nicotero plus cast are better - I guess they will be on more during the second have of the season since filming will be over.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on November 12, 2013, 06:33 PM
I thought filming was over already?
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt on November 12, 2013, 07:32 PM
Between the dating show and The Nerdist I honestly don't recall anything he did, but I enjoyed his stand-up special more than I thought I would, and his new show Midnight I find funny actually.  TD, he's sometimes all that's holding it together.  Look at the way he clearly had more than enough of Manson.  Tell me with a straight face you thought he handled that poorly.  :)

I thought we were talking about how funny he is, not how competent of a host he is. But yes, to his credit, he was in a tough position there and handled it satisfactorily. (That's the best you're gonna get out of me. Sorry.)

I did enjoy a bluegrass Radiohead medley (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-BGFAP6JJrk) he did as part of Hard 'N Phirm a few years ago, and I have enjoyed the handful of Nerdist podcasts I've listened to, but that has less to do with him as host, and more to do with the fact that I already liked his guest going into it. He gets some really good guests to do those things.

Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on November 12, 2013, 08:53 PM
I'd say both are relevant...  I find him funny (enough on TD) and a good host for what he's given (it's a tough show).  He's more in his element on his Midnight show...  No clue on The Nerdist though I've seen guests that almost compelled me to watch it, like you said...  Very good guests.

I like the memoriams, and things on TD...  I'd like to see some changes to the show too though, and maybe 45 minutes would be a nice way to start.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BrentS on November 12, 2013, 10:24 PM
I think next week will be an hour long episode about what the Governor and his cronies have been up to since they left.  S those waiting for the Rick/Darryl confrontation will most likely have to wait two weeks.

Sorry to disrupt the talking dead bashing... But I completely agree with Matt. I think next week is (unfortunately) going to be entirely about the Governor. We probably won't see a lot of the prison except maybe or the mini cliff hanger at the end.   
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt_Fury on November 13, 2013, 01:57 PM
I also don't see how the Governor could be the one luring the zombies to the prison unless he has someone on the inside (whoever was feeding them rats is inside the prison).  Also, if he were staying close to the prison, Michonne would have found him.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on November 13, 2013, 02:25 PM
Eh, it's a chainlink fence...  I don't think, at night when nobody's paying attention (or so it seems) that the governor would have much trouble getting in and doing whatever he wanted.

The theory floating about was Bob was a plant from Woodbury, but Woodbury sent all their able-bodied people to the prison...  Unless Bob was someone new he picked up along the way, or something along those lines.

It'd have to be someone also with the time to catch all these animals.  It wasn't all rats, as I recall.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Sybeck1 on November 13, 2013, 09:42 PM
With all cuts made in the fence by the survivors themselves, you wonder why it would necessary to go through the trouble of feeding the rats.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on November 14, 2013, 12:28 AM
I think the big reveal will be that the Governor has a zombie eye under that eye patch.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Diddly on November 14, 2013, 04:43 AM
The theory floating about was Bob was a plant from Woodbury, but Woodbury sent all their able-bodied people to the prison...  Unless Bob was someone new he picked up along the way, or something along those lines.

Didn't Daryl at one point say something like "When we found you you were alone, now you need to learn to work as a team" or something like that?
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on November 14, 2013, 02:04 PM
Yes, that was during the bonding moment that Bob ruined with the booze grabbing...  That's when he said about being in 2 groups and being the last man standing, blah blah blah...

I can't see him having anything to do with the Governor unless the Governor had found him, they bonded, and he got him to get in with Rick's group.  Just doesn't seem to fit really either way.  I think he's fishy and weird, and has something off about him, but I don't think he's with the Governor...
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: JediJman on November 14, 2013, 03:47 PM
I'm finallllllly caught up on WD again after falling behind the last few weeks.  Good episodes.  This last one with the Flu/Fence epidemics at the same time was fun, bhtough I thought the flu thing was handled kinda shoddy.  There was no better way to lock the sick people down in case they turned?  Didn't it seem like initially people turned fast, then with this last wave of the flu it took them days and days?  I know Hershel's tea was supposed to help a bit, but come one.  Then people get the antibiotics and they're all good the next day.  I'm just getting over the flu (non Zombie kind) and have pneumonia as a fall out, so if everyone is happy and dancing in the next episode I'm going to be very disappointed that whatever wonder drug they randomly found in the animal school isn't somehow available at my local Walgreen's. 

I'm still not clear on who was feeding the rats.  They seemed to come from inside the fence.  Is the Governor really sneaking inside the fence to drop off a few dead mice each week?  You'd think he could wreck more havok taking out the water supply or letting all the farm animals loose.  I think someone inside, maybe one of the kids, was feeding zombies thinking that they're still people in some way.  Didn't the infected girl that Carol was watching say something to that effect last episode?  "Yeah, they're zombies, but they're still sort of people."  Heck, if the Governor was going to go that far, why not just open up the front gate?  I think he's laid some kind of trap or bigger sabotage that we've not seen yet. 

I read a few posts about how people think the zombies go into a state of hibernation or just wear away.  I've read all the books and don't recall anything about that, so if anyone has a source I'd love to read it again.  I think in the WWZ novel they talked about zombies getting cold and freezing up with the winter, but I don't recall any WD lore about that.  I think they get more docile when there;s no stimulus present, like obvious prey or noises drawing them somewhere because they don't really know where to go, but I don't think we've seen any evidence yet of them just wearing out.  I don't think Kirkman wants "let's just wait around 5 years and they'll die off" to be a realistic solution in the book or the show. 

Can't wait for next week.  Like everyone else - I've stopped watching TD.  Can't dedicate an hour to a show talking about another hour long show.  That's ridiculous.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on November 14, 2013, 05:40 PM
That was from Nicotero or Kirkman IIRC on Talking Dead, about the zombies going into sort of hibernation and starving (but very, very slowly), but it's it's been shown in the show...  The specific example pointed out as I recall it was the group in the diner, but every episode it's actually sort of shown...  Zombies laying around, sleeping almost, then waking up when stirred.  That's pretty common throughout the show.  They're stirred up by anything from a mouse running by or a chopper flying overhead and they wake back up.

I seem to recall on a TD episode them also mentioning that the cold makes the zombies go a little more dormant, or slow down slightly, but they're still functional and with the right motivation are pretty much as deadly as usual.

Talking Dead serves a purpose with the right people on it...

I think the thought of them starving isn't really on the minds of the characters...  So it's not a viable solution because it's never even considered really, but it's just mentioned because the question was asked whether they can starve...  Ones locked up somewhere then probably could, eventually, but it could take eons, and they eat anything it seems so they seem to survive well and waiting them out till they exhausted everything alive on Earth that they eat isn't realistic anyway.

I was curious about this so I looked it up...  Wikipedia sort of contradicts itself on them "sleeping".  It says they're "playing dead" but that seems unlikely by the way the show implies them laying silent till something stimulates them and they wake up...  They don't all wake up to attack.  They simply wake up (as is evident at the diner place, and other settings).

Sometimes they wake up and strike immediately though, as with Herschel's leg...  Sooooooooo, the wiki isn't reliable here I think.

They do mention they're starving though, even in the show, and it's likely that they'd waste away to nothing over time as the body basically devours itself if they go without food long enough in theory, or simply it rots away and eventually they re-die.

I think in the show it was Milton who mentions the starvation thing?  I forget though.  Him or Jenner.

I guess in the comics several times they come across zombies who've not eaten in a long time (including a child who starved to death himself, then came back and is now a starving zombie) who aren't even able to crawl and are barely "undead" at this point.

Zombies who don't eat seem to turn into "lurkers" though and go into that dormant state...  Like the ones in the church which is still a scene I don't get...  It looked like a wedding was taking place but everyone just sat down in a pew and died and was there that whole time.

Glen Mazarra said they don't starve, but eventually do rot away and die...  sooooo, that's weird and kind of similar ultimately.  :-\
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: CloneF13Y35 on November 14, 2013, 06:38 PM
yeah I have to agree - I think TWD 'zombie lore' is different than most other zombie series so it's ok with me.  I would believe that the zombies would nearly 'freeze to death' in the cold, it would make what tissue they have lock up, freeze or whatever but I'm not sure they would 'thaw out' afterwards. I'm curious to see how things play out with the return of the Gov, psycho little lizzie the zombie loving girl and the whole daryl-tyreese-carol issue plays out too.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on November 14, 2013, 06:51 PM
From what I was reading there's a lot of similarities to Romero's zombies but attempts to differentiate too...  Less use of tools being one.  Less "personal identity" too.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: JediJman on November 14, 2013, 06:58 PM
I don't see how zombies can starve or waste away outside of years and years of time.  They can be shot over and over or hacked to pieces, but the only way we really seem the die is by damage to the brain.  Even the ones that were burned in the pit I assume died because the heat and flame destroyed their brain, which we know is the source of the disease.  We have seen heads survive on in water tanks or just keep biting after being chopped off.  How about the woman living outside the prison who was essentially carrying her dead husband's head around in a bag and feeding it?  They don't seem to really digest anything, so I don't think the actual consumption of flesh gives them any kind of sustanance.  More like they are compelled by the basic urge to eat flesh regardless of whatever impact it does or does not have on their bodies.  If that's true, it would imply they all really decay at essentially the same rate with the only difference between external factors like time, age when turned, weather, etc.

I don't remember anything about a boy starving himself then also starving as a zombie in the comics.  If you have any idea what sotyline or around what issue number, I would love to re read about that.  I haven't read the earlier books in a long time and feel like I've forgotten a lot of what happened from post governor to Nagan.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on November 14, 2013, 07:30 PM
Don't recall it saying anything specific just that it was a traumatic moment for "the group" and they killed the boy and buried him, but they did mention that...  It was in the wiki about the show I was reading.  To be honest though, similar things have been shown in the show...  Zombies in the church seemed a little slower and more decayed, Bicycle Girl (despite having no lower torso) was noticeably unable to grab quickly or be too aggressive...  The Wiki seems to point out a few things from the comics but I haven't read them yet myself.

Kirkman says they're instinctively eating though, not a need per se...  They're pretty dumb and primal...  Milton I'm quite sure is who mentions them starving to death but they may just simply become more lethargic as they're decayed further too.  I think that makes sense for the most part.

They didn't mention time-frames for the decaying in anything I read...  Years, decades...  It's shown on the show though, clearly.  Don't know about the comics but one of the wiki things mentioned pure white eyes as the iris and eyeball decayed is a sign of the zombies decaying over time in the comic.

The wiki contradicted itself (and the show, at least) on the "lurker" thing and kept saying they were "playing dead"...  I don't see that.  Dormant maybe after not finding food or stimulation for a while, but some of them in the show clearly are waking up slowly to move to what got their attention...  others woke up quickly and attacked immediately.

Mazara outright said they are NOT starving but are decaying in a Q&A that came up in the search, but here's a quote from the Wiki:

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In "Walk With Me", it is revealed that zombies starve, but at a significantly slower rate than humans. When a living person goes into starvation mode from lack of nourishment, their body begins breaking down fat tissue, followed by muscle tissue and converting it into energy. Eventually, the body will begin breaking down the tissue of vital organs and the person eventually expires when those organs cease to function. In theory, if a zombie cannot find a food source, the zombie pathogen will probably cause a break down of body tissue and convert it into energy even though they are dead, until they basically wither away to nothing.

I think this is where Milton says it, but again I think he could just be witnessing decay...  or perhaps the food makes them more vibrant and a lack of food makes them more sluggish, but not dying of starvation?

The wiki says they can climb ladders and, I don't know about you guys, but I don't recall them climbing anything.  If anything, I recall them NOT climbing up after Rick and Glenn in Downtown Atlanta.

Here's more on eating habits... 

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Zombies prefer to eat living flesh: birds, animals, and people. If living food isn't available, zombies will eat meat from dead corpses, unless, in the case of humans, the corpse reanimates as a new member of the undead. Zombies do not digest food. When their bodies are "full", the undigested meat will be forced out through the anus.[8] As zombies are dead, it is assumed that their bodies will continue to rot even if they are well-fed. If no sustenance is available, zombies will starve, ultimately contributing to the rate of decomposition. Unlike humans, however, who can only live several months without food and a few weeks without water, zombies can survive for perhaps years without any nourishment.

http://walkingdead.wikia.com/wiki/Zombies

There are some citations to specific notes from the show and comics...

I knew someone on the show mentioned them starving, but the show's so widely separate of the comic at this point who knows.

Issue 55 seems to mention something about a "malnourished walker" the group encounters, as well, but I can't find much more than that.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: CloneF13Y35 on November 14, 2013, 09:21 PM
as it seems they have very minimal brain function - didn't Jenner say at the end of season 1 that only the basic of brain functions return?
so just scatter medium sized debris behind you, things they could trip over since they shouldn't have the cognitive ability to side step an obstacle in their way. Or maybe do like Morgan did in the town and setup various kinds of traps and sharp edged or pointed posts for them to get caught on.
I'm working  in a hospital now doing IT work so my imagination is all over the place with cool ideas for how to deal with zombies!
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on November 14, 2013, 09:25 PM
I wouldn't say that out loud at work...  :D

Bob was kind of doing that at the Vet school, pulling down chairs and things in the hallway to buy time.  Seemed to work ok too...

Banana peels people...  Banana peels.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jedi Idej on November 14, 2013, 11:20 PM
Not so sure about no or little cognitive ability. During the barn slaughter, the zombies seemed to maneuver ok over fallen bodies.

A couple of episodes back, during the scenes of Carol murdering Ty's lady and dragging her body, did we see flashbacks of what actually happened or a peek into Rick's head as he imagined how the deed might have played out? Anyway, as she dragged the body, I noticed "something". But the scene was so quick I couldn't put a finger on it. (I dozed off on the second showing.) Then I saw a frame capture on the WD thread at the other site which shows what appears to be a second set of hands helping pull the body! My guess is Lizzie's younger sister.

Ty as a master, uh, hammerman, isn't working for me the way it's being depicted. In one scene it takes 2-3 blows to the head to take down one of the zombies.

Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on November 14, 2013, 11:41 PM
Some interesting points in that wiki thing in the zombies is some even have out their hands up in defense of themselves...  Poor acting by the extras?  It looks like some cognitive thought tho. :)

I agree about Tyrese's hammer...  Bad weapon choice... Very probe to sticking in a skull.  If you're demoing drywall, try doing it with the claw or blunt end of a typical carpentry/roofing hammer...  Your hammer will get stuck.  A small shovel, like an entrenching tool would actually be far more ideal.  A thinner bladed knife as a last resort for stabbing, but a small military entrenching shovel would make a weighty cleaver that is heavy enough to crush, short enough to swing in tighter spaces, and has 2 relatively sharp edges for cutting.

A hammer might work on a few spread out but isn't ideal for big groups or swarms.

BTW after watching the Daily Show tonight, Neil DeGrasse Tyson would've basically ended this thread, long ago.  :P
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt on November 15, 2013, 12:06 AM
I agree about Tyrese's hammer...  Bad weapon choice... Very probe to sticking in a skull.  If you're demoing drywall, try doing it with the claw or blunt end of a typical carpentry/roofing hammer...  Your hammer will get stuck.

Gif related:

(http://i.imgur.com/I9MGWum.gif)
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on November 15, 2013, 12:20 AM
She's saying Thanks Obama because Obama supports use of Hammers in the zombie apocalypse...   ::)
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on November 15, 2013, 12:52 AM

Banana peels people...  Banana peels.

A tropical fruit in short supply in post-apocalyptic Georgia.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on November 15, 2013, 12:55 AM
Time to uproot to a country where they're plentiful...  The people there are probably having a ball.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on November 15, 2013, 01:04 AM
Like T-Dog said, head to the coast...get a boat.

Did he say boat? he should have.

I'd like the Walking Dead spin-off show to be a What if? show.

"What if T-Dog headed for the coast?"

"What if Shane killed Rick?"

"What if Rick hadn't handcuffed Merle?"

"What if Rick's horse could talk?"

"What if Glenn became Glenda?"
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: evenflow on November 17, 2013, 10:38 PM
Hand to hand pit combat against zombies was cool, but over all not too exciting of an episode again. I have been bored pretty much all season so far. Most of my friends feel the same. Not sure if its us though.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Chris M on November 17, 2013, 10:55 PM
For once, the slow pace didn't bother me.  I've enjoyed pretty most all of this season.

I can't stand the Governor, but I like that they brought an element of humanity to the guy and it didn't seem like it was forced.  It actually seemed like he cared.  Of course, there is no telling what will end up happening to the little girl he's "adopted." 

Good episode all the way around IMO.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on November 18, 2013, 12:17 AM
Also starring David Morrissey as Snake Plisskin.

Mostly predictable episode once he meets the family.

Except...I did not expect part two.

That maybe leaves us with one episode with Rick and Co. before the mid-season break.

I'd have stayed where's there is pepperoni sticks and a safe place to sleep.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Diddly on November 18, 2013, 12:27 AM
I LOVED tonight's episode, and I've been kinda bored with the season so far too. It feels weird seeing the Governor in a sympathetic role after everything we've seen so far but I think they did it well.

Still trying to piece together how he gets outside of the prison at the last episode. Obviously some **** goes down between that scene and the end of tonight's episode, with this new family appearing to be under control of Governor's old sidekick.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt_Fury on November 18, 2013, 12:50 AM
I enjoyed the episode, and I'm a bit surprised they're taking it to a second week.  I'm actually shocked those three girls lived as long as they did on their own.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BillCable on November 18, 2013, 09:39 AM
All I could think last night after the episode was over was "Geez - the guys on JD were complaining that it'd be a whole episode dedicated to the Governor... they're gonna go ballistic now that it's TWO!"   ;D

The episode was fine.  I suppose you could survive on pepperoni and spaghetti-os for a long time as long as you could track down water.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: name on November 18, 2013, 09:55 AM
Am I the only one who liked the storyline, but HATED the performances?  All four of those in the apartment were awful.  It was like watching a high school play.


Also, how the hell is it that "I'm a badass" sister kept going back upstairs to shoot walkers and never thought to experiment with a headshot.  The first time, sure.  The second time I would think you would just intuitively try a shot to the head.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BillCable on November 18, 2013, 10:02 AM
She's a chick who failed out of the academy... probably not that bright or a good shot.   ;)
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on November 18, 2013, 12:59 PM
I generally don't mind the slower paced episodes but this one really dragged, IMO. Mostly because of Phillip himself. All the brooding, no talking, it got tiresome.

Props for making the guy seem a little less psychopathically demonic, but if you are expecting the audience to buy some sort of half assed redemption story you can forget it. This is not Merle.

I was suprised Martinez and the other guy ditched him, but that was classic.

I didn't really get pouring out the spaghettios either, but in retrospect probably a smart move. If you meet new people in the zombie apocalypse, and they offer to feed you right off the bat, there is probably a high probability of poison and/or roofies. Stick with the sardines.

Leaving was just plain silly though. "Who needs all these comfortable beds and toilets?" They could have cleared that building easily enough. WTF do they think they are going to find? Phillip at least should have known better.

End of the world or not, getting freaky in the back of the van with a little kid sleeping right next to you is just plain disgusting. Like it's so hard to sneak away, sheesh. Even Shane and Lori never stopped that low.

I was surprised this merited a second episode as well, but clearly some bad stuff has to happen for him to have any interest in going back to that prison.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: GrandMoffNick on November 18, 2013, 01:11 PM
Really liked the episode. I appreciate it's not just "The Govenor is back to shoot up the prison again". That to me would have been boring.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt on November 18, 2013, 01:24 PM
I didn't really get pouring out the spaghettios either, but in retrospect probably a smart move. If you meet new people in the zombie apocalypse, and they offer to feed you right off the bat, there is probably a high probability of poison and/or roofies. Stick with the sardines.

It's not that The Governor thought they were laced with something, it's just that he's kind of a foodie and only likes the real thing.

(http://i.imgur.com/fE3282a.jpg)

Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: CloneF13Y35 on November 18, 2013, 06:43 PM
I liked it eventhough it was a slower pace. it was maybe a tad too slow but I appreciate the honest attempt at story telling character development. wasn't perfect but it didn't suk either.
I had a feeling he'd take to the little girl as a replacement for his daughter thought I was surprised her mother decided, hey what they hay he's the first man to come around in a long time and it also seemed like the sister almost a cop plays for the girls team so someone had to get funky with the monkey.
But the end with the Gov rescuing the girl in the walker pit and martinez showing up with a genuine WTF look on his face was great!
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on November 18, 2013, 08:54 PM
The lie that was the truth, "I'm a pirate."

Also, I didn't think about it until the next day, but this episode fits into the "Do you get to come back?"
from the season opener.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: CloneF13Y35 on November 18, 2013, 09:55 PM
good point, does the Gov get to come back from the edge of psychotic vengence!
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on November 19, 2013, 09:31 AM
Did anyone else think the Mom looked an awful lot like Maggie? Maybe it was the unflattering post-apocalype hair style but that seemed intentional almost.

Forgot to mention the highlight of Talking Dead - Hardwick busting out the Governor action figure! Although it might have been nice to note they are also available at Walgreen's, Toys R Us, etc and not just pimp the AMC website.

Morrissey was good though.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Chris M on November 19, 2013, 12:28 PM
I noticed that about the mom too. I pulled up IMDB to see if somehow it was the same person.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on November 19, 2013, 01:19 PM
Noticed the Maggie resemblance as well...

I too questioned how she never once thought to even attempt a headshot...  That was kinda weird.  Hard to imagine anyone survives that long without killing one at some point, or being eaten if they can't figure it out.

The Spaghetti O dump was because he didn't want to accept anything from anyone and feel he owed them...  Or so said The Gov. himself.

The family in the apartment were...  yes, annoying seems right.  I thought at any moment he was going to destroy them all.  I'm wondering what kind of point they were at in the timeline of things that he got there and stayed with them.  Where were they in the prison's timeline and things.  I like knowing that stuff.

I didn't mind a whole Gov. episode or two...  Actually I looked forward to what he was up to, but expected it to be a lot more violent. 

This again was a week where Talking Dead cleared up things I felt...  It helps when an actor, writer, or production person are on the panel.  The "celebrities" are worthless.  Next week's two comedians, which, great I guess, but they'll maybe be funny and will certainly not be any more insightful than any other random fan.  They may be Jerricho good, or Manson dismal.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: CloneF13Y35 on November 19, 2013, 06:12 PM
yeah I agree, having cast and/or crew makes for a better more insightful talking dead. I learned from a friend who runs a fan club for lauren/maggie she shared that they wrapped production last week so maybe we'll have cast and crew soon.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on November 19, 2013, 08:36 PM
Said someone next week is going to be on but they didn't specify on the show or taped interview.

It was clear, ALL questions went to the Gov., and Hardwick even had a clearly easier time just picking his brain on things he thinks The Gov. was thinking, feeling, etc.  And in turn he got answers that were great...  Like him being in a "basic survival" mode, walking till he died, thinking he saw Penny, even the name Brian (I missed or didn't connect why he chose that name)...  Not all the actors are all that insightful though either.

It amazes me how quickly a killed cast member goes to the convention circuit, btw.  A surprising number have been through Steel City Con.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt on November 19, 2013, 09:40 PM
Like him being in a "basic survival" mode, walking till he died, thinking he saw Penny, even the name Brian (I missed or didn't connect why he chose that name)... 

It was part of the graffiti on the building he was looking at in the opening moments of the episode.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on November 20, 2013, 12:15 AM
Yeah I didn't put it together though till he said in TD, that was where it came from...  Then again I didn't even think to ask, "Why Brian?" (Hardwick did) because I was just thinking it was something random he picked out of thin air to be creepy.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on November 20, 2013, 09:21 AM
Paul Scheer is one of the guests next week on TD I believe, and he is worth the price of admission alone. (Dr Andre Nowzik from The League for those unfamiliar with the name, also a star on that NCIS-SVU whatever thing on Comedy Central) he has also done a few one-off appearances on ESPN shows.

Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt on November 20, 2013, 09:40 AM
Yeah I didn't put it together though till he said in TD, that was where it came from...  Then again I didn't even think to ask, "Why Brian?" (Hardwick did) because I was just thinking it was something random he picked out of thin air to be creepy.

Oh, I'm sorry. I didn't watch Talking Dead so I thought you were asking for real.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on November 20, 2013, 04:25 PM
Yeah I was just citing it as an example...  Lot of insightful **** from The Governor on his character's full state of mind, during the episode...  It was a good hour this week...  Next, I'm not sold on yet unless they have a cast member available.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: CloneF13Y35 on November 24, 2013, 11:08 AM
Rumors are that the Gov will bring a very special piece of equipment seen in the comics in either this episode or the next one as the mid-season finale.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: GrandMoffNick on November 24, 2013, 11:16 PM
Have enjoyed the Governor's fake "rehabilitation" and then quick return to insanity. But seriously, he is going to lead another attack just with a new group on the prison. He should have died at the last one. Rick, Michone, Maggie, whoever better kill him next Sunday.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on November 25, 2013, 09:31 AM
Too slow, now too fast. I LOVED seeing the tank in the opening scene, because I was waiting on this from the comics. But you're gonna trust the guy to run that thing whose brother you just knifed in the back? Not so sure about that.

So much to talk about in this episode. I knew Martinez was in trouble with all those scripted lines. That's the kiss of death on this show. Glad we got some closure on the other lummox too. (Sounds like he got Tyreesed)

That other group they ran across sure seems to have gotten murdered in a hurry. Weird that it happened so fast, and no screams were heard with them being so close by. They probably won't revisit that but they should.

Phillip is all wrong on the prison thing though. They are not going to fare any better than Rick's group ultimately. Fresh water and the horde on the fences are always going to be issues. They'd be better off knocking off a shopping mall, school, etc. Plus isn't there more than one prison in the state of GA?

All I know is Tara must be loving life because what are the odds of finding another hot available lesbian chick after the apocalypse? She lucked out big time there.

Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BillCable on November 25, 2013, 10:09 AM
All I know is Tara must be loving life because what are the odds of finding another hot available lesbian chick after the apocalypse? She lucked out big time there.

For real.

I wasn't too happy when the "Army" guys said "Ooorah" - which is the Marine battle cry.   :P

The Governor's character makes absolutely no sense at this point.  He was a sociopath brought back from edge by the love of a family, which he becomes a sociopath to protect...   ::)

And instead of moving on he decides he has to have that prison.

It's all ridiculous.  And apparently because he's tall the entire new camp immediately accepts him as their new leader.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on November 25, 2013, 02:00 PM
Comic book logic. The Governor has resigned himself to the fact he IS the villain due to events and a psychotic mentality. We aren't even in "just doing what it takes to survive in this world" rationales anymore. The prison is not the only secure place in Georgia. Clearing walkers is safer than gun battles with other survivors.

Oh, yeah, two pretty lesbians discussing guns. If I hadn't watched Talking Dead, I'd have no idea they were.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on November 25, 2013, 05:01 PM
Almost forgot to mention the excellent casting last night: Enver Gjokaj from Dollhouse as the erstwhile Pete, and Kirk Acevedo from Fringe as Tank Boy Mitch. Good to see those guys again.

Fred Armisen is a little squirmy but Martinez was money on "TD". I expect at least one casualty from the mid-season finale to show up next week as a surprise guest too.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: CloneF13Y35 on November 25, 2013, 06:33 PM
hopefully the attack this time will actually be fun to watch since they have the tank.
next week's TD will have comic creator robert kirkman and fan fav - the lovely lauren cohan. Just hope that doesn't mean maggie dies (or that secret guest cast member isn't glen - steven yeun) who doesn't survive the attack due to being sick.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Sybeck1 on November 25, 2013, 09:03 PM
Almost forgot to mention the excellent casting last night: Enver Gjokaj from Dollhouse as the erstwhile Pete, and Kirk Acevedo from Fringe as Tank Boy Mitch. Good to see those guys again.

Fred Armisen is a little squirmy but Martinez was money on "TD". I expect at least one casualty from the mid-season finale to show up next week as a surprise guest too.

I think this will be the epidode where Herscel buys the farm
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on November 27, 2013, 02:04 AM
The S1 tank was an attempt to make a tank look like an Abrams...  I appreciated that.  This one, not so much.   :-\

Weird episode...  not their best work but was kind of interesting with all the "newness" of these various groups...

Talking Dead was again above par this week I felt.  Good guests having good discussion of what if's and what could be's.

I find his complete turn back to being the dick he was, and going after the prison again, sort of cheap...  I'm hopeful there's some twist here we've not yet been shown that may have to do with the fence feeder, or the slaughtered camp of people.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: name on November 27, 2013, 07:37 AM
What was with the mudpit zombies? Was that just the gov realizing that it was too zombified out there to put his new family in danger?

Also not sure what the point in the cabin full of heads was.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BillCable on November 27, 2013, 08:52 AM
What was with the mudpit zombies? Was that just the gov realizing that it was too zombified out there to put his new family in danger?

I think it was a no-way-out moment.

Also not sure what the point in the cabin full of heads was.

Reminding the Gov who he really is.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on November 27, 2013, 03:35 PM
I second both those...  The cabin with the guy with a zombie family he kept around was very parallel for old gov.  The mud zombies are you being stuck like them.  I think he realizes now he has a second chance with a family and wants more than ever to make it work but I think their being alive makes home more dangerous than he ever was.  He's Ricks opposite....  He's Shane if Shane had his own family to protect and broke off from rick.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: CloneF13Y35 on November 27, 2013, 07:28 PM
Hopefully they wrap up the Gov and prison parts with the mid-season finale by having the 'huge' fight they promised at the end of season 3; new comic characters are set to debut in the second half of the season so I hope that means rick and the gang abandon the prison and head towards the supposed safe zone in Arlington.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: CloneF13Y35 on December 1, 2013, 10:44 AM
Afterwards on Talking Dead tonight the guests will be creator Robert Kirkman, actress Lauren Cohan (my dream girl) who plays Maggie and a surprise guest star. I don't think Maggie will get killed off, my guess is whomever is the guest star will be the character who gets killed off. Could be hershel, sasha, bob the drunk medic, one of the two new women with the Gov, or unlikely Glenn.
The only people I 'think' are safe: Rick, Carl, Daryl, Tyreese or Michonne. But we'll just have to wait to see; AMC will run a season 4 marathon today leading up to the mid-season finale.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on December 1, 2013, 11:56 AM
Agreed on the mystery guest.

My current odds:

Judith 2:1
Mitch 3:1
Hershel 3:1
Hershel's other daughter who is NOT named Maggie 4:1
Crazy medic Bob 4:1
Maggie and/or Glenn 6:1
Phillip 10:1
Anyone else 20:1

I can't see them doing Sasha after Tyreese is still reeling from Karen's death, but who knows. She could be a good candidate too. At least Carol is safe. Not so sure about her girls though...

Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Tracy on December 1, 2013, 03:40 PM
Re:  Tyreese's reaction to the Carol situation:  I have been mulling this over for a while and after re-watching the season premier on the WD Marathon today I have come to this conclusion:  I am not convinced that Tyreese would/will react violently to Carol.  I think he will feel remorse that she was sent away and that the group could suffer from her banishment.  In the premier he couldn't stomach killing the walkers at the fence - and he didn't like the violence they encountered on the run.  I think he is more even-keeled than people are giving him credit for.  It will be interesting to see both Daryl and Tyreese's reaction to the news. 

On a side note - I hope Philip bites it tonight.  I never like his storyline............
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Angry Ewok on December 1, 2013, 08:25 PM
Watching the marathon now, catching up with this season. Work-n-stuff has kept me so busy, I haven't even had any of it spoiled for me!  :D
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Angry Ewok on December 1, 2013, 10:15 PM
So... I thought I was watching a re-run of the first prison battle.  :-\



Cool to see Hershel go Obi-Wan at the end, but once again the show ditches the moral center and best actor on the show. Governor's death was lame IMHO.


I have two copies of the Vol. 1 Compendium, I need to get around to reading that.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Diddly on December 1, 2013, 10:24 PM
I was satisfied with the mid-season finale, and I marked out pretty hard when Governor took the sword, and also during Daryl's shenanigans during the shootout. Sad to see Hershel go out though, and in one of the more gruesome deaths too.

Kind of a mediocre half-season though when you look at the big picture. Outside of these last 2/3 episodes and Carol getting the boot from Rick, I can't remember anything that happened.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: evenflow on December 1, 2013, 10:24 PM
I knew it wasn't going to happen but I was totally pulling for the massive swerve and the governor winning  >:D
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Morgbug on December 1, 2013, 10:41 PM
Ok, how stupid are the people with the governor? 

Think about this for a second.  Yes, you have a tank, that's majorly cool.  It's also extremely powerful.  And destructive.  Destructive?  Yes, destructive. 

What in the world is the point of shooting shells at the ******* prison walls?  Aren't you idiots going to live there and isn't a secure structure just a wee ******* bit more secure against the living dead than walls that are crumbling or in some cases no longer there because you took Mr. Boomboom and blew them up?  Morons.

Enjoyed the show, sad to see Hershel go.  Happy the governor is dead.  Happy most of the people now following him are dead because frankly they weren't very bright as a group.   ::)
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on December 1, 2013, 10:42 PM
Holy Crap!

What an amazing mid-season finale, so many things happened! I'm gonna have to post like 5 times just to recall everything.

Top 5 TV deaths ever! I agree it could have been a little more severe, I was screaming for decapitation, or at the very least ripped apart by walkers. I'll take it though, sayonara SOB!

Darryl drilling Mitch - awesome! (Grenade in the tank turret, also awesome)

Those girls saving Tyreese's ass, totally, totally awesome!

Overall, was a much better assault than the previous Woodbury effort, was more in line with what I was expecting. We even got the obligatory "Kill them all!" line. :)

Hard to sort out who ended up where, we definitely got Rick and Carl on the road at the end, and those peeps on the bus, including Glenn. Definitely need to watch the re-run.

{Hey, that 1971 M60 tank was used in Vietnam, thanks Talking Dead!}

Also liked: Rick's speech, and Hershel's smile at the end. Sad to see him go, I agree it is tough to keep losing the good actors and part of the core group at that. I guess Judith could be alive if someone with bloody hands had just grabbed her out of the car seat, didn't have to have been her blood.

The rodent dissection was very disturbing, definitely some escalating behavior going on there. And what WAS in Bob's secret shoe box? The booze or maybe something creepier?

Bring on Arlington!
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Angry Ewok on December 1, 2013, 11:03 PM
What in the world is the point of shooting shells at the ******* prison walls?  Aren't you idiots going to live there and isn't a secure structure just a wee ******* bit more secure against the living dead than walls that are crumbling or in some cases no longer there because you took Mr. Boomboom and blew them up?  Morons.

I said the same thing last season when ole derp dude was hammering all of the empty watchtowers with the grenade launcher. Wasn't too impressed with the tank just randomly shelling random walls... But I guess there are budget limitations.

Kudos to Governor. Raising two post-apocalyptic armies composed completely of baffoons takes some kind of luck.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Tracy on December 1, 2013, 11:08 PM
Too much to process right now - but - I see that Clara made an appearance......
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BrentS on December 1, 2013, 11:13 PM
I really liked this mid-season finale... Agree lots to process.

Too much to process right now - but - I see that Clara made an appearance......

Who was Clara?  I know they focused in a couple of walkers but I couldn't place any of them.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Tracy on December 1, 2013, 11:42 PM
The one walker with the long black hair and black overcoat - she was the lady from Ep 1 that Ruck met in the woods and who had her dear hubby's head in a sack.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt_Fury on December 2, 2013, 01:34 AM
So....what happened to Judith?

I think she's alive and with the folks on the bus.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Tracy on December 2, 2013, 06:27 AM
Same here. I would think that if a walker got her there would have been a lot more blood in the carseat. Even if she were alive - how would Rick find her?
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Chris M on December 2, 2013, 06:31 AM
I really enjoyed the episode last night, a lot.

I hated to see Herschel go, but when he was captured at the beginning I figured he'd be taking Tyreese's spot from the comic.  BTW, I just finished reading Compendium 1.  I'm waiting for C2 to show up in the mail. 

I figure everyone will meet up somewhere on the road, at least a few of the main characters will.  I don't see how they could just push Rick/Carl off on their own and still maintain the other characters who were able to bolt on the bus, or neglect to bring fan favorite Darryl back.

I was wondering a bit about the tank.  Like you guys have mentioned, why are they shooting holes in their potential home?  And second, why in the world did they have an M60?  Those haven't been used in service is more than 15 years. I know one guy was supposed to be NG and bolted with a tank, but in this era that would have been an M1.  Oh well, suspend belief.  I'm sure in the real world an Abrams would have been much harder to get on loan.  Also in the comic, the driver had spent months trying to figure out how to drive it and the main gun was never used.

All in all I liked the episode.  My wife only passively watches the show because I've got it on.  She and I are both in agreement the hardest part of the show, especially last night, is seeing the kids die.  Even if its just TV, as a parent it's a kick in the gut to watch that.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Sybeck1 on December 2, 2013, 08:54 AM
Judith's car seat was unbuckled, so you would think a walker could not unbuckle it. Who has her? Beth? Lilly? Is she on the bus? Are Darryl and Beth hooking up? Dad is gone to keep her away from the older bad boy. Seems like a meeting place would have been discussed for when they had to bug out. Need to watch this again for sure
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on December 2, 2013, 09:06 AM
Yep, good catch on Clara, I didn't realize that was her until they mentioned it on TD.

For all the talk about Phillip's posse, they actually acquitted themselves MUCH better than the first group. No one turned tail and ran when the bullets started flying, no one freaked out, they just kept coming, even after Phillip himself got iced. Other than the Mom I don't know if anyone was left on their side at the end. And for a bunch of people that had never seen any live combat they handled themselves pretty well, IMHO. Those two bearing down on Tyreese were all business.

I guess the gay daughter survived too? Will we ever see her again?
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BillCable on December 2, 2013, 09:19 AM
Did the Gov's GF's sister just sort of walk away?  I don't recall seeing anything happen to her.

I thought the episode was pretty fantastic.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jeff on December 2, 2013, 10:31 AM
On one hand, I liked the episode, but on the other it was kinda pointless. 

Mostly I agree with Brent.  You're there to take over the "safe" place to live, so the best course of action is to blow holes in the wall and crush the fence that barely keeps the zombies out as it is?  ???

I guess I just feel like most of this half season should have just been done at the end of last season.  Letting the governor survive the first prison encounter, only to bring him back with a new crew to get slaughtered again was really pointless.  Was the point of it just to say, "ha comic readers, it's different again!!!"
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Sybeck1 on December 2, 2013, 10:57 AM
I did not know grimey Clara was the blond chick from HBO's Rome.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Angry Ewok on December 2, 2013, 11:26 AM
I guess the gay daughter survived too?

wat? I don't remember any lesbian stuff?
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: CloneF13Y35 on December 2, 2013, 07:43 PM
While I was sad to see hershel get killed - and in such a gruesome manner, it was realistic that people in peril actually died. I thought the fight was great, what they teased at the end of S3 they finally delivered with the S4 mid-season ending.
Daryl is the MAN no doubt about it, dropping a grenade down the tank turret barrel then shooting the from Fringe in the heart with an arrow - guess he'll turn in to a walker now ;)
The fist fight between Rick and the Gov was brutal and the culmination of the verbal foreplay from last year. Just as Gov had Rick almost choked out, Michonne stabs him through the chest; leave it to new gf lily to put the bullet through his brainbox!
While watching the TD show, it was obvious how close the cast are as lauren fought back tears and Scott truely seemed dejected about being killed off.
But overall I was very satisfied with this mid-season finale.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on December 3, 2013, 03:24 AM
I enjoyed it...

Darryl seems to be on his own, but as near as I can tell...

-Glenn is on the bus with a bunch of random survivors.
-Maggie, Tyrese, Sasha (I think), and Maggie's sister, and Bob I believe, are together and maybe have a secondary way out (Maggie hinted at that maybe in TD).
-Darryl is, seemingly, on his own.
-Michonne is seemingly on her own as well, but she saved Rick only to dash off and not help him find Carl?  Weird.
-A prison "sniper" guy who was unnamed got capped.
-Rick and Carl are together.
-Gun totin' toddlers are off in their own weird little "feral child" pack.
-Judith is...  My theory...  With the mysterious psychopath.  Be it one of those random crazy kids, or an unseen character who was stalking the prison and is batshit crazy and now without a home as well.

-Lily and her dip**** sister are, theoretically, still alive.  Her sister is behind the tank within the prison itself when it is stopped, and she's having a bit of a meltdown.  She did follow them up to the prison itself though.  Her honey's toast of course, but she's around and never shown killed that I ever noticed.  Assuming she hooks up with her sister again and they keep surviving, I suppose it's possible they carry on as well, but what would the point be?  Both are beyond worthless.

Bob's box I assumed to be booze, but now...  eh, I dunno.  Didn't really think it was something weirder.

I LOVED the Irish chick making an appearance.  Love when they easter egg you.

On the Governor....  I kind of liked it, but in that it was an almost wholly separate and sad story...  The Governor arc we're shown to see how the world can completely **** a person up beyond belief, and what monsters can be made in this world, and that there's worse ones to come most likely.  He's a guy who almost made it back, but just couldn't quite get there.  Rick could...  Ying yang and all that crapola.  And it came to a head as they talked at the fence...  Rick came back.  That's why Herschell smiled that last smile.  He knew Rick was ok...  And if Rick's ok, he knows his daughters are far better off most likely (Nothing's perfect, but a collected and focused Rick is a better than one who just wants to farm peas).

On the other hand, we got to see where Rick could've gone...  Where the group, could've wound up under a Shane.  The Governor embodies giving up being a normal sane human being all together, and he just leaves a wake of chaos and death behind him.  He gets his new family killed more or less.  He kills good people so they don't interfere with him.  He gets a whole group of sheep to follow him and die trying to take out the prison...  He's a mess.

I felt like the whole arc of the Governor was showing us what NOT to do and that he was inevitably going to be toast because Rick does it right (for better or worse), and the Governor does it wrong (and it's always worse because he's such a ******bag he can't leave well enough alone).

Loved some of the deaths...

I enjoyed that Michonne gets to off the Governor, though part of me wanted Rick to do it because he's just my favorite.

I loved the tanker brother getting offed by Darryl...  He didn't get to see Martinez again, and part of me thinks he and Martinez would've worked well should they have met up with his group and brought them in.  Again, the Governor messes things up... 

BTW I guess the tanker in the comic is far different from this one because this one in the last episode said it's his tank, so I guess that's why he knows how to use it.

On the tank itself...  I agree, using it as it was being used, pretty dumb.  Then again, assuming the one guy commanding it was the only one who knew what to do, and whoever was inside loading, firing, and driving were just random dudes from the camp, I guess I can accept to that they'd just start opening up without much of a solid plan on where to shoot, or what to do, really.  It's the only thing I can think of that makes any sense...  You give civilians hardware like that and they'd just go goofy with it I guess.

I agree with Chris on NOT liking them using the M60...  I knew from even distant shots that it was a post WW2, pre-modern era tank...  Now, I don't profess to know what is available on an army armored base for someone to hop in, in a bad situation, and roll out with...

Could it be that the M60 was part of some surplus around the base?  How likely is that (Honestly, I have no clue)?  Could the apocalypse, and the US's military and armor spread around the globe, have prompted us to bring out some hardware from mothballs to try to suppress things going awry domestically?  And really, are they even available?  Or were they all sold off privately or to other countries? 

So the tank was slightly anti-climactic for me, ultimately.  They made the half-assed M1 in Season 1 so it surprises me they couldn't have come up with something similar for this.  Something not so obviously outdated at least.

Hershel goes out like a champ...  Seeing the tanker go down like a chump, plus the hot military lesbian take a shot to the head from a little kid, was kind of fun.  The Governor's death was a little quick for my liking though, with the put down.  I'd have preferred him being left to be eaten alive because he deserved that.

In general I really enjoyed the season so far...  The flu thing was slightly slow but I felt it picked up after that and went pretty well.

Talking Dead was definitely emotional for the people there, except Kirkman who clearly doesn't give a ****, which is kind of funny.  I'd have preferred a lot more of him chatting about the 2nd half, but from what was said, they didn't show much because it all will give stuff away.

A commercial showed quick snips from next half as well, and it showed pretty much all the mains.

Honestly I think Tanker Brother was maybe the most satisfying death because, well, what a friggin' ******* he was.  >:(
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Chris M on December 3, 2013, 06:42 AM
I just thought of this when I read Jesse's post...Bob and his box.

What if he's been the one feeding the rats to the walkers?  Bob was a medic and consequently probably had some interest in anatomy.  With that in mind, Tyrese found that one rat that had been cut and stretched out as if to be dissected.  It may be nothing at all, but it is just something that popped into my mind.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Diddly on December 3, 2013, 07:00 AM
Found this on the Walking Dead section of Reddit regarding who is alive/dead and who got split up with who:

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Confirmed deaths:

Governor, Herschel, Meghan (the little girl), Alisha (Tara's girlfriend), Mitch (the tank pilot), Julio (the prison's mechanic). Notably, Mitch's brain is not destroyed. Neither is Herschel's, though he is beheaded.

Escaped the prison:

Rick and Carl escape on foot. Rick has been shot, beaten, and strangled.

Glenn escapes on a bus full of redshirts. He is still sick, as are some of the others on his bus.

Last seen in the prison, planning to escape Tyreese with Lizzie and Mika. It's not clear whether he also grabbed Luke and Molly as those kids had run away a few seconds earlier. Important: Tyreese does not know Carol confessed (or was even suspected) as his girlfriend's killer. This is certainly an intentional plot point, given that he's now paired with her adopted kids.

Maggie, Sasha, and Bob. Sasha is still sick. Maggie is looking for Beth (who is looking for Judith) but stops to help when Bob is shot. He says it will be easy to fix, but Sasha says "not here."

Daryl and Beth. Beth wants to keep searching for Judith but Daryl says "We gotta go."

Last seen at the prison, presumed alive but plans not clear

Michonne saves Rick but then disappears without explanation after the battle is over.

Lily puts down the governor before he can turn.

Tara is running around somewhere in the prison. Alisha told her to go to a safe place and hide and Alisha would come get her (Alisha is dead now). Tara is presumably unaware that Lily is at the prison, and therefore may not know that Meghan is dead.

Presumed dead

Judith. Last seen with the kids, who are later seen without her. Her car seat is covered in blood, but it's possible someone (not Rick and Carl, and presumably not Daryl and Beth) grabbed her.

Presumed alive, not in this episode

Carol. Morgan.

Presumed dead, but questions remain

Sam, the boyfriend of the girl with the bum leg who Rick and Carol found.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on December 3, 2013, 04:02 PM
Totally forgot Beth ran off from Maggoe and wound up with Daryl and that Tyrese is chasing children around haha.

I wonder if Morgan will turn back up?  Or lily and her sis?  Or the two kids who ran away from Tyrese.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BrentS on December 3, 2013, 04:07 PM
I suspect it will probably take a couple episodes into the spring season before the group finds themselves together again.   Sory of like when the scattered after the farm burned down.   Some part of the group will probably meet the new characters being introduced too (Abraham ? I think that was his name) before the group is reunited.

I hope they aren't split for too long though as I don't like the disjointed series of skipping whole character groups for entire episodes like was common with Woodbury last year and the Govenor episodes this year.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jedi Idej on December 3, 2013, 04:22 PM
Lily's become a bad-ass. Hope she returns.

Tyrese, so far, is pitiful. Stayed away from the comics so I don't know how the 2 versions compare.

All the Gov's minions deserved to die. Mitch made a really good a-hole and whose death was really fist-pump and high-five inducing.

Little Lizzie isn't as "weak" as her kid sister claimed she was. Damn, center of the forehead. No hesitation.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on December 3, 2013, 04:22 PM
It's compelling to the show runners though because it's much easier to keep the costs down when you only have to pay a handful of the "name" actors each episode. I'm sure that's a big reason why they do it. I agree that the ensemble episodes are more enjoyable, but sadly I think it's a moot point when the decisions are driven by economics rather than storytelling.

Psyched for Abraham!
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BrentS on December 3, 2013, 05:00 PM
It's compelling to the show runners though because it's much easier to keep the costs down when you only have to pay a handful of the "name" actors each episode.

I hadn't thought of that angle... that is a shame if that drives the story.  But it does make sense.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: CloneF13Y35 on December 3, 2013, 10:24 PM
also makes sense why the up and coming stars may get killed sooner or later - their salary demands are go up and they'll become too expensive.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Qui-Gon Jim on December 4, 2013, 12:31 PM
I think that plays into it, but one of the major tenets of the comic is that no one is safe.  If your name isn't Rick, your number could be pulled any time.

I was really ripped up when I saw Judith's car seat.  I think that Bob is the dissector and I think he has Judith, but it is possible that Judith is gone.  It is about a TV friendly an end that an infant can get without going over a line.  It would certainly be less... less than her demise in the comic.

I'm not one that normally talks to the TV (aside from a good baseball or football game), but I found myself involuntarily telling Rick to rip the bastard's head off when he was fighting The Guv.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: jedipurge on December 4, 2013, 01:56 PM
to me the whole disection of rat tells us that the rat man is Bob. who else besides Hershell, or the of Dr. that died from flu would be dissecting things. and besides his own admission of being with 2 other groups that have perished (except himself) possibly those other groups also died because of his feeding rats to zombies. the only question then is why. cuz he would also be at risk if zombies raid the encampments.

there were some hints both in the show and on TD about it playing out with Beth and Daryl, maybe not a relationship but there being something between them. think back to when Daryl broke the news to Beth about her BF dying in the Big Lots. And now the 2 of them run off together.

I would think that after the whole farm thing and how that played out, and after the Govners first invasion there would be a backup/bug out plan and where to go if things go really bad again. after all there was 6 months of relative peace for them to start thinking/planning for such. and the walkers had already broken thru the fences once before, so it wouldn't take a Govners invasion force to make them lose the prison.

i think Carol will find girls and Tyreese. and carol/tyreese will make nice n settle their differences.
Judith is with them, and because of carol taking care of the judith it will force rick to let her back in with the group when they all meet up again. 

someone is going to meet up with whatever group killed the other group that had those supplies that was shown in the Govner arc.

And i agree with Jesse the military girl Tara's GF is hot
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on December 4, 2013, 02:05 PM
The only think about Bob having Judith...  How?  He was out fighting and got shot and drug off by Maggie and Sasha...  He had no time.  If Judith is alive and with someone I can't help but feel there is an unknown element involved.  Serial killers throughout history have been known to have a curiosity and experiment on animals...  I lean to just a new unknown threat not Bob...  But that's me.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Mikey D on December 4, 2013, 02:47 PM
I thought it was pretty obvious that all signs point to Lizzie as being the one to kill Tyrese's girl and the other dude, not Carol and her being the one feeding the rats and doing any dissecting.  The naming of the zombies, the playing in the pool of blood with her foot after someone died from the virus a few episodes back, her leading the infected zombie away almost like a dog (here boy, come here boy), the small handprint Rick found and as seen last episode, she's one hell of a ******* shot.

That girl has future serial killer written all over her.  She'd be perfect for Carl.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BillCable on December 4, 2013, 02:52 PM
Lizzie is too small to drag adult bodies...
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on December 4, 2013, 03:03 PM
Carol helped and took the blame?  Might explain a lot more of her reasoning for wanting to take the girls with her and out of the relative safety of the prison...  She was awful eager and Rick shot it down immediately.

I've really felt she's a far more likely suspect than Bob...  Bob I think is just f'd up with guilt.  He was mega guilty about Zach but then would lure zombies into the prison?  That doesn't jive at all.

I can see Carol being involved but it being a lot more complex than just Carol killed them.  It'd make sense, but I'm not so sure the girl is who's luring zombies to the fence and stuff.  I dunno.  I lean to an unknown source...  Remember someone watching Carol outside the fence?  I believe that's who was outside being "stalked" and they've NEVER gone back to that, that I can recall.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BillCable on December 4, 2013, 03:08 PM
I don't think feeding rats was "luring" zombies... not like those crowds piled up because of a couple dead rats.  Stuff like gunfire attracts them, not meat that's 100 yards from the treeline.  Lizzie is a great guess as to who was feeding them rats, but I don't think whoever was feeding them was trying to bring down the prison.  They just like to watch rats get munched on.  Or give zombies names and feed them...

And I'm guessing the baby is dead, and it was handled somewhat tastefully.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on December 4, 2013, 03:49 PM
I don't recall the rat feeder but do we see their hands?  I can't recall now that it's been so long.

They've said on the show the traps in the woods are to keep the zombies from the fence, so I think it's plausible the blood could lure the zombies there if it can lure them away...  I don't think that's a big deal.

but I think Lizzie's a good candidate...  I rule Bob out at this point personally, and I'd say Lizzie or unnamed Carol Stalker from some time ago...  I think this show needs a major twist though, and someone totally unseen to this point who stalked the group would be interesting.  They've said there's far worse than the Governor in the world...  I'm interested in seeing what that is, and this could be it.

Is Hershel's head just laying there biting now?
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Greg on December 4, 2013, 04:14 PM
Sunday's episode was very good. It was awesome to finally get the prison battle on TV. I think it would have been better suited as the finale to Season 3 when the Governor's people actually had a valid reason to attack. The Governor's story was probably too rushed and under-developed, but that's better than a season-long retread of S3.

I loved the fight between Rick and the Governor, and the end for that villain was very satisfying. I had a feeling Hershel's death was coming, but it was still painful. Daryl being a badass is always fun. I'm glad the tank made it into the show, but randomly shooting buildings at the prison was stupid. The closing scene of Rick and Carl fleeing the prison was perfect.

Carol helped and took the blame?  Might explain a lot more of her reasoning for wanting to take the girls with her and out of the relative safety of the prison...  She was awful eager and Rick shot it down i