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Title: The Walking Dead
Post by: Mikey D on November 2, 2010, 08:09 AM
Anyone catch The Walking Dead?  Fantastic first episode that had everything anyone could ask for - drama, emotion, hot chicks, gore and zombies (the best looking ones I've seen, especially for a TV series).

Hopefully this gets picked up for a second season, 6 episodes isn't enough.

Should this show get it's own thread?  Granted, it's not for everyone, but my guess is it'll get enough interest here.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Neal on November 2, 2010, 09:42 AM
I missed the premiere on Sunday night, but I'm going to DVR the replay on Friday night (10:00 PM EST).  I'm looking forward to it and have heard nothing but good things about it so far.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jeff on November 2, 2010, 09:42 AM
I watched it on Sunday...  I'm not sure I'll stick with it (too many zombie headshots), but I thought it was really good.

Parts of it were scary as hell for me... esp. the part with the dark stairwell at the hospital.  No way would I have gone in there after seeing the stuff he saw in the hallway. (http://www.jedidefender.com/images/newsicons/icon28.gif)

I also loved the overhead shot at the end, swarming the tank... creepy.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: GrandMoffNick on November 2, 2010, 09:46 AM
What station is this on? A&E, AMC? I remember it has an A  :-\

May have to give it a watch. I think I get those channels.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Phrubruh on November 2, 2010, 10:10 AM
AMC - the station my wife boycotted because they cancelled Remember WENN.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Tracy on November 2, 2010, 01:37 PM
How could she boycott Mad Men?  ???
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on November 2, 2010, 03:56 PM
"Hey Dumbass...."

I like the guy that got on the radio to him once he got in the tank. 

****** thing is, you can't get to the drivers compartment in an Abrams from the turret.  :-\

It's a fantastic series though, if episode 1 was any indication.  The zombie capital of the world is proud. :P

People have been wondering if the half-eaten woman in the park is someone he knew.  Why go back to her and shoot her, when all the crap going on around you is taking place?  I'd likely have avoided lingering there.  Should've stayed at the cop station.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Mikey D on November 2, 2010, 04:17 PM

****** thing is, you can't get to the drivers compartment in an Abrams from the turret.  :-\


Nerd.


People have been wondering if the half-eaten woman in the park is someone he knew.  Why go back to her and shoot her, when all the crap going on around you is taking place?  I'd likely have avoided lingering there.  Should've stayed at the cop station.

I don't think he knew her, I think he just wanted to put her out of her misery.  Remember, that scene was being intercut with the scene of the father doing target practice from the window so he could put zombie wife out of her misery (but ultimately couldn't).  Rick probably felt sorry for half zombie woman.  It took half zombie how long to tranverse the park? Two days?  Something Rick did in ten minutes.  Even for a half dead witless creature, that has to suck.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on November 2, 2010, 04:24 PM
I guess there's a possible way for the driver to get through, but the turret has to be ina  specific position for it to happen.  ;D  Making me even nerdier.

Toob ad he can't drive it.  I'd dig seeing some zombie crushing with a tank.

And you're right Mike.  A guy who has kept up with the comic since its beginning said that it was a way for him to show that he cares, and that he's not just a jerk, and that he's accepting the situation he's been put into, and that he knows that the zombies are still people and they're just overcome by something they couldn't control.  Showing basically that he's a good man, and still has feelings about everything, but that he'd do the right thing.

I still say its a waste of a bullet though.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Phrubruh on November 3, 2010, 10:21 AM
So would a hord of zombies really be able to bring down a horse and rip into it with their teeth and fingers? It just doesn't seem posible to rip into a horse like that without a knife.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: JediJman on November 3, 2010, 04:27 PM
So would a hord of zombies really be able to bring down a horse and rip into it with their teeth and fingers? It just doesn't seem posible to rip into a horse like that without a knife.

Keep in mind that a lot of the hands are likely sporting long/broken finger nails and/or broken bones.  You can stratch through your own skin pretty easily with filed down nails (at least the top layers), so I think zombies could probably cut through horse flesh en masse.

I have read some of the WD comics and can't wait to catch this show.  We don't get AMC, but am hoping to catch it online.  Anyone know if AMC.com is carrying it?
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on November 3, 2010, 08:03 PM
This brings up the interesting lunch conversations my friends were having one day, about how many 8 year olds you could fight off before you're overwhelmed.  You have no weapons, only your body to defend yourself.

The horse faced his 8 year olds, and he lost.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: efranks on November 4, 2010, 01:28 AM
Or how many Cambodian Midgets Wrestlers can a lion hold off? 

I passed on watching this Sunday night, not realizing that they weren't going to rebroadcast the first episode during the week.  I may try to catch up with it online and then follow it but if not, I may just wait till AMC runs a marathon before their second season or whatever.

I'm generally not a zombie fan but this show does sound interesting and it's been getting good buzz.

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Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on November 4, 2010, 01:53 AM
Hmmm, that is a little less personal of a question, but valid nonetheless.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Neal on November 4, 2010, 09:20 AM


I passed on watching this Sunday night, not realizing that they weren't going to rebroadcast the first episode during the week. 

Actually, the show is rebroadcast multiple times during the week.  The next showing of the first episode is tomorrow night at 10:00 PM EST.

The Walking Dead schedule (http://blogs.amctv.com/search/?t=SCHEDULE&btnSubmit.x=0&btnSubmit.y=0&q=the+walking+dead)
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: efranks on November 4, 2010, 12:21 PM
Nice.  That wasn't listed when I looked it up Monday morning.

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Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on November 5, 2010, 03:56 PM
I watched it night before last via On Demand and thought it was great except for a couple of things.

First, how are you going to wake up in zombie world and not start asking about a million questions? I mean, you're not even curious a LITTLE how it all started? I get that the dude is not talkative but come on bro, get some backstory.

Second, I hate to get on a high horse, no pun intended, but did they really have to make the wife such a callow b*tch? First, you cruise out of town with your kid but don't even stop by the hospital to pick up your injured husband, and worse you start banging his best friend after what, 2 weeks? Wow, don't let any moss grow on that thing lady.

It sort of turns the whole thing into an absurd farce, like some twisted play on the Odyssey, where the husband defies all manner of obstacles to reunite with his "loyal wife" only to find she started nailing his best friend 5 minutes after he was out of the picture.  ::) Not exactly epic.

About now I am just hoping she and her dumbass lover get ripped apart and eaten, leaving the kid and hid Dad to ride off into the sunset.

More zombies, less love triangle...

Will have to work hard to top the ending of Dead Set.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Phrubruh on November 5, 2010, 06:04 PM
Does it seem that the show is a little out of order? At the beginning, the sheriff goes to a ripped up camp site and shoots the zombie girl. Later in the show we see the same camp site with his wife and kid there. It just seemed like a random flash forward since he never got to the camp site or I don't remember them leaving the site.

What I also don't under is how does a guy in coma survive in a hospital for two weeks by himself while zombies are running rampid thru the buiding but no one ever goes in his room? Every room is trashed expect his? The hospital staff never moved him?
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jeff on November 8, 2010, 10:04 AM
Not a bad follow-up episode last night.  The "smell like the dead thing" was pretty gross, but I loved the 2fast2furious-esque zombie distraction scheme.  Sucks to be the guy in handcuffs...
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on November 8, 2010, 01:42 PM
Yeah, some great stuff in last night's episode, mostly the dismemberment and gut smearing scene. Just brutal and awesome. Seemed like kind of a stretch that the rain would expose them so quick, but I guess they had to come up with something.

So what's up with the Asian kid? Will we see him again? I kept thinking they would cut back to the black guy and his son too sometime last night but I guess that arc is over.

Always good to see Maria Covarrubias getting work too. (Blond chick, old dudes like me remember her from her role on the X-Files)

Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on November 9, 2010, 12:01 AM
Loved it...  Looks like the guy on the roof isn't out yet.  The door got padlocked...  but how the hell do you get to him when the building is overrun, ya know?

The ultimate weapon is a flamethrower...  They need to make one I think.  Though I still would've liked seeing what an Abrams could've done to the mass zombie crowd around it.  :P

Tanks have a nasty habit of making people fly apart.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Mikey D on November 9, 2010, 08:15 AM
It sounds like most of you haven't read the comic books.  I don't think it's necessary, but it does make some things easier to understand.

First, how are you going to wake up in zombie world and not start asking about a million questions? I mean, you're not even curious a LITTLE how it all started? I get that the dude is not talkative but come on bro, get some backstory.


I'd chaulk that up to waking up confused, hungry, thirsty and generally out of it.  And FYI, we're almost 80 issues into the comic's run and we still don't know what caused the zombie apocalypse, so I don't think anyone would know anyways.

Does it seem that the show is a little out of order? At the beginning, the sheriff goes to a ripped up camp site and shoots the zombie girl. Later in the show we see the same camp site with his wife and kid there. It just seemed like a random flash forward since he never got to the camp site or I don't remember them leaving the site.


Not the same camp site.  That scene was actually never in the books, the first issue opens with the car shoot out and then Rick waking up in the hospital.  I guess they wanted an opening bang for the TV show, thus shooting of zombie girl (which takes place between the police station raid and Rick finding the horse).


What I also don't under is how does a guy in coma survive in a hospital for two weeks by himself while zombies are running rampid thru the buiding but no one ever goes in his room? Every room is trashed expect his? The hospital staff never moved him?

It wasn't exactly clear, but the dead were all managed to be corraled in the room that Rick saw chained up and the dead woman in the hallway was most likely his caretaker that met her demise while caring for Rick.  There was a gurney in front of Rick's room to try to deter zombies from entering.  With those and the military outside, probably making a **** ton of noise, I can see how one lone person, who wasn't awake or moving, can be missed by the zombies.


So what's up with the Asian kid? Will we see him again?

Glenn's a pretty major character in the book, as is Andrea (the blond chick in the department store).  The others in the store are new for the TV show and don't appear in the books.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jeff on November 9, 2010, 10:27 AM
The others in the store are new for the TV show and don't appear in the books.

And therefore are likely to be zombie-chow as the show needs characters to kill off...  :P
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Phrubruh on November 9, 2010, 10:41 AM
I've never heard of the comic books until hearing about this show. I like the show. I just hope it doesn't stay dark and depressing (like BSG)  the entire time. The audience needs a break from that sometimes.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Morgbug on November 9, 2010, 12:40 PM
Call me a pessimist but I'm having a hard time seeing the lighter side of the zombie apocalypse.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on November 9, 2010, 03:45 PM
Haha.  :D

You haven't hung out with them Johnstown rednecks!  THey're having a field day with this! (paraphrasing NotLD)
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Phrubruh on November 9, 2010, 05:47 PM
It would be really easy to give it the MST3K treatment.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: shmashwitdaclub on November 9, 2010, 08:05 PM
I just ordered my Comcast TV service back and it is being installed Thursday.  I am hoping this series is in the "On Demand" section.  anyone know?  I haven't watched an episode yet so I am looking forward to it. 
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on November 9, 2010, 08:14 PM
Someone said that it is, on a forum I visit.  Love my Comcast, honestly, and On-Demand.  It's fantastic.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: iFett on November 9, 2010, 09:33 PM
I've no clue what this show is about (other then zombies) May try and DVR this and see what all the hub-bub is about...Hopefully it's not like 24 where you're almost completely lost without viewing every show...
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on November 9, 2010, 10:49 PM
I think it's easy to follow...  Zombie stuff's not ever that complex IMO, but you're more focused on the humanity of it for sure.  That's more the thing to pay attention to, and the zombies are just the situation.

With how much they have to work with (as far as time), this should be "...of the dead" type movies on steroids because they have a lot more time to work with.  It's like watching one of those films and seeing a lot more detail you always wanted to see.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on November 10, 2010, 10:17 AM
Just saw this was already picked up for a second season, which is surprising and great. I figured it would just be a one-and-done miniseries.

Mikey - I've been trying to catch up with the comic storylines - have you read them all?

I have questions but I guess I can't post them without providing inadvertant spoilers.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Mikey D on November 10, 2010, 10:52 AM

Mikey - I've been trying to catch up with the comic storylines - have you read them all?


All of them up to and including volume 12 of the TPBs.  Volume 13 gets released in a couple of weeks.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: jedi_master_sal on November 10, 2010, 12:12 PM
Man, this show is awesome. Like a mini Zombie movie every week.

I loved how the redneck got his dues for the beating he put on earlier in the episode.

I want to see Rick in more danger though. Not enough for me yet.

I haven't read the comic and won't. I don't want to be spoiled by it. I'd rather enjoy the episodes as they come out.

I can't wait to see more though.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: speedermike on November 10, 2010, 03:24 PM
The show doesn't follow the comic at this point.  Same ideas, same plot points, same beats, but in very different order.  The show is fine, but I'm oddly bored by it.  Don't know why. But I'l stick wth it.  I found the comic kind of crummy.  Over written and cliche.  But I like anything that post-apocolyptic.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: shmashwitdaclub on November 12, 2010, 09:06 AM
Just got my Comcast installed last night.  While the installation sucked and the tool installer didn't bring my HD-DVR box, he did, for the moment, install an HD box.  Jerk lied to me and said it wasn't on the order, after he left I called Comcast about another issue, and asked about the box and they said it was indeed clearly on the order.  The installer was one of those guys you can tell was a liar from the get go...

Anyway, at that time I was able to find that the series is indeed in the On Demand section.  I think they are putting the new episodes on there within a day of them being released.  I did watch the little 9 min motion comic they had on there - and I will get to watch the episodes soon when I get the time.   ;D

lookig forward to them based on what the majority is saying here.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Tracy on November 12, 2010, 03:43 PM

Second, I hate to get on a high horse, no pun intended, but did they really have to make the wife such a callow b*tch? First, you cruise out of town with your kid but don't even stop by the hospital to pick up your injured husband, and worse you start banging his best friend after what, 2 weeks? Wow, don't let any moss grow on that thing lady.

It sort of turns the whole thing into an absurd farce, like some twisted play on the Odyssey, where the husband defies all manner of obstacles to reunite with his "loyal wife" only to find she started nailing his best friend 5 minutes after he was out of the picture.  ::) Not exactly epic.

About now I am just hoping she and her dumbass lover get ripped apart and eaten, leaving the kid and hid Dad to ride off into the sunset.

More zombies, less love triangle...


I thought the same thing.  I just finished watching it ON Demand and thought it was well done - until it took a sharp turn with the scene with his cheating wife and best friend.  I thought it was totally pedestrian and uncalled for.  Throw them to the zombies, I say..... ::)
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Tracy on November 13, 2010, 06:15 PM

Second, I hate to get on a high horse, no pun intended, but did they really have to make the wife such a callow b*tch? First, you cruise out of town with your kid but don't even stop by the hospital to pick up your injured husband, and worse you start banging his best friend after what, 2 weeks? Wow, don't let any moss grow on that thing lady.



After watching the 2nd episode last night, it seems like maybe they were banging each other well before the viral outbreak (if that is what this is considered) began.  Possible she felt some remorse and decency and wanted to get her husband from the hospital - but lover boy gave her a laundry list of why that wouldn't be a smart idea.  Might be that it is classic foreshadowing, but I wish they would just stick to the "average good guy is trying to get back to his average wife" story line.  I think the other stories are more than compelling to keep people interested.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on November 14, 2010, 08:58 PM
Good point Tracy, I had thought that too, would kinda make sense in light of the conversation Rick and Shane had in their patrol car at the beginning of Ep 1. But in a way that's even worse, because that conversation clearly portrays him as somewhat of a dick (Shane that is). Plus then it's just straight out adultery, not even framed by the whole "end of world my husband's in a coma" type rationalizations.

More to the point though, it IS distracting and hits a false note somehow.

Well hopefully it all goes away after tonight since it looks like they'll finally reunite.

Bring on The Governor!
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on November 15, 2010, 09:24 AM
Ugh, what a snoozer! I knew when it got to be 10:43pm and they hadn't even left for Atlanta, it was going to be a wasted episode. For a show about zombies, it might be good to actually feature some, you know, ZOMBIES.  ::)

I do give the writers props for adding some depth and shading to the characters. You kinda came away with a different take on Shane and the Wife. Gotta admit, I find it hard to dislike any guy who dishes out a savage beating like that on such an unrepentant a-hole.

Other thoughts/ observations:

HTF did Merle get down off the roof if the door was still chained?

Where were all the zombies when they were sneaking back to the dept store? They only saw 1? The place was swarming the previous day...you'd think there would still be plenty of them lumbering around. Were they all at the movies?

Maybe it's just me, but even if it's the end of the world and the living dead are running amuck, I am not having sex with my wife while my kid is in the same tent. ICK!!!

Next week's episode looks a lot more exciting...
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: shmashwitdaclub on November 15, 2010, 12:08 PM
I have now watched all three episodes and I have really enjoyed each one.

I missed the scenes from the next (4th) episode, so I have no clue wwhat they showed.  If I were to take a blind guess at where did Merle (if that was his name) go I would guess the ventillation ducts or something to that matter on the top of the building.

As to where did all the zombies go?  I would also guess that they are headed to the hills to find food elsewhere just like the one eating the dear did.  Again, I didn't see the previews for the next one, but I would say it is pretty obvious that they are not going to be able to stay hidden in the hills for ever.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: efranks on November 15, 2010, 01:40 PM
I watched the mini marathon they had on last night to get caught up on this series.

Generally, it's not bad.  But a few things stood out that I didn't care for;

We're three episodes into the series and nobody has really told Rick how this infection got started and spread.  We don't know how long he was in the hospital and he doesn't seem to even care.  He just buys into the fact this is his new reality.

On that same topic, Rick was in a coma, or whatever, for some period of time while this infection is spreading.  The hospital is evacuated, or everyone makes a run for it (being chased by zombies, I assume), and one guy left alone in an open bed, not even some type of quarantine area, doesn't arbitrarily get eaten?  Or infected when his immune system had to have been somewhat compromised by his being shot?

Rick goes to Atlanta, a city with a population of over 5 million, and of all the possible people he finds he hooks up with those that are with his wife?  On the first try?  And of those 20 or so people he gets two racist rednecks and a wife beater?  What kind of ****** odds are those.

Don't get bitten or scratched.  That's kind of a standard for Zombie movies, but it's okay to soak yourself in the entrails of a zombie?  Or in the new episode, Daryl was wiping off arrows that he used to kill a zombie on his own pant leg.  I don't know, but I'd want to be in a containment suit if I was going to handle anything liquid coming out of the zombies.

I'm sure a couple of these questions will get answered going forward, but while the drama of the show is pretty good, it's the little things that had me wondering last night.

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Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Morgbug on November 15, 2010, 01:53 PM
How the hell is Merle not dead after hacksawing his hand off?  Ok, we don't know he's not dead but I doubt they're killing him off.  Yeah, I know, he probably put the belt around his wrist (although to actually stem the flow he'd have to have it way further up his arm because the radius and ulna would limit compression to any extreme) as a tourniquet but really, people kill themselves by slashing their wrists, so even with the best of intentions in an extremely stressful situation (dehydrated, being chased by zombies, just hacked off your hand) how long could you really live without serious medical attention? 
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on November 15, 2010, 04:39 PM
I've seen deer missing limbs, we had a cat who'd lost a leg on her own at some point (feral, tried taming her, didn't work)...  I've just always assumed it's possible.  He's also sort of from the "survivalist" type mentality with his family it seems.  I can suspend disbelief on him wandering off without a hand and making it.  Maybe he used gator clips to pinch off the veins, like forceps?  :)

I liked the episode...  It was almost all revolving around establishing some background, some updates, and setting up where everyone is and what they're doing, or going to be doing, and who everyone in the camp is.  It had a little zombie action, a bit of tension...  I enjoyed it.

I was curiosu about the Zombies at the store too, but where'd the hillbilly go?  How'd he get out?  The zombies also lose interest and wander off if you have the fortified area they can't get into.  Remember the black family in the first episode.  I'm guessing they staggered out of the store searching for food.

I'm curious if the car attracted the zombie outside the city, or if they are like bears (as was suggested) and just wander out searching for food.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt on November 15, 2010, 10:16 PM
How the hell is Merle not dead after hacksawing his hand off?

I like to think that he had a lighter on him and cauterized his own wound.  That's what I want to see.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Tracy on November 20, 2010, 02:38 PM
How the hell is Merle not dead after hacksawing his hand off?

I like to think that he had a lighter on him and cauterized his own wound.  That's what I want to see.

Why the hell didn't he just hack through the (realtively) small chain on the handcuffs instead of his hand?  ???
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt_Fury on November 20, 2010, 06:41 PM
Tracy,

Watch the end of Mad Max.  You might find your answer.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on November 20, 2010, 07:12 PM
Tracy,

Watch the end of Mad Max.  You might find your answer.

Yeah, but he had no time constraints really? Heck, he probably could have sawed through the pipe he was chained to after a few hours.

There was a huge comic convention here today and Walking Dead was everywhere. I was very tempted to pick up a few of the anthologies but they weren't cheap.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: JediJman on November 21, 2010, 12:38 AM
Okay, so I just saw the first episode and trying very hard not to read the spoilers on 2-4.  I don't get AMC - anyone know of a good place to catch episodes online?  E1 was kick-butt...great ending!
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on November 21, 2010, 09:52 PM
Okay, so I just saw the first episode and trying very hard not to read the spoilers on 2-4.  I don't get AMC - anyone know of a good place to catch episodes online?  E1 was kick-butt...great ending!

You can watch them all On-Demand for free if your cable system offers that service. HD too.

High hopes for tonight's episode...
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: JediJman on November 21, 2010, 11:59 PM
Okay, so I just saw the first episode and trying very hard not to read the spoilers on 2-4.  I don't get AMC - anyone know of a good place to catch episodes online?  E1 was kick-butt...great ending!

You can watch them all On-Demand for free if your cable system offers that service. HD too.

High hopes for tonight's episode...

I don't have On-Demand, but thanks.  Any other ideas?
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on November 22, 2010, 09:30 AM
Hmm, no ideas on other ways to watch, no...sorry. I abhor watching TV on the computer, so sort of at a loss for recommendations. (BTW, stop reading now if you don't want spoilers)

Last night's episode was top notch, maybe the best so far. This is the formula they need to continue to follow: equal amounts of character development/pathos and sweet zombie killing action.

I really liked the subplot with the Vatos, not at all what I was expecting.

Think they are pushing it a little bit with Merle. Get that the dude is born-again hard, but he's not superman. I hope they don't drag that out too long. How did he know they left the van there anyway? Did they just leave the keys in it too?  ::)

I really like the old dude in the Gilligan hat too...he adds a nice bit of depth and color.

So besides the wifebeater and blond girl, who else got killed at the camp? Looked like another woman/girl whom I did not recognize? Anyone catch that?


Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Morgbug on November 22, 2010, 11:40 AM
I enjoyed the episode quite a bit as well but only watched it once so missed a few details I'll pick up through the week as it's rebroadcast. 

Still not buying that Merle could stem the blood flow adequately with his belt while cutting off his hand - he'd of had to crush the bones to stem the flow.  But I'll give the plot guys credit for having him at least cauterize the wound. 
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Hemish on November 22, 2010, 03:09 PM
Awesome episode.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt_Fury on November 22, 2010, 06:00 PM
Tracy,

Watch the end of Mad Max.  You might find your answer.

Yeah, but he had no time constraints really? Heck, he probably could have sawed through the pipe he was chained to after a few hours.

I haven't seen any of this series yet, so I don't know the context.  Just seemed like a plausible answer.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt on November 24, 2010, 12:57 AM
But I'll give the plot guys credit for having him at least cauterize the wound. 

Credit also due to the guy in reply #45 who first mentioned cauterizing, even if he did get the method wrong.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on November 24, 2010, 02:28 AM
Tracy,

Someone, and now I forget who, said the saw's blade was too dull to cut well so he cut his hand off due to that...  Merle did have the time constraint of drinking something too, which I'm sure in the Atlanta heat on a high-rise rooftop probably was not going well.

I think maybe his brother said about the blade being dull...  I was doing metal work this past weekend, and dull blades won't cut much.  Cop handcuffs are, I think, pretty strong too.  The pipe would actually probably have been weaker metal but obviously a lot thicker to cut through...  probably balances out.

What I don't get is how he got inside/downstairs in geek-fest 2010. 

I'm sticking with the, "animals can lose a limb and live", theory...  I had a cat that happened to, one I still have that had its leg half-ripped-off for a day + and we had to have it amputated for it.  I've seen even deer missing a leg.  I suppose it's possible.  Agreed though that they took the above advice on the wound being sealed up.

It's kind of amazing what adrenaline can do for people's longevity I guess.  What I find odd though is how the episode ended, but where's Merle at?  No way he couldn't beat them to the camp, if he's driving, so what's up with that then?

I found the Zombie attack at the end kind of weird too...  So they wandered out in one big pack, to the camp?  Huh?  And they didn't get tangled in any of the traps the people had for them (they had tin can traps and other things set up in the trees).  I also couldn't gather who got chewed up and who didn't too.  I saw people getting chewed up that nobody seemed to really care about afterwards.  That was odd.

And man, if you're going for that big bag of guns, I'd have gone back for that .50 then.  There has to be other military hardware out there too near the tank/checkpoint where the bag was dropped, but if those gang guys really wanted firepower, get the hell back out and get that .50.  It'd be a zombie lawnmower from a strategic, protected position.  It'd f up anyone coming to steal your old people's stuff too.

I'm curious who we'll see come back up in the episode too, and who may just fade off...  Will the black guy and his kid come back?  Will the group link up with the gang and old people?  And the looter/raider thing is almost bound to come back up.

Great series...  REally is fantastic.  I can't wait to see more every week, even though I usually wind up having to wait a little bit.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Tracy on November 24, 2010, 09:00 AM
I guess I just figured two arm bones weren't so easy to saw through either - especially at the joint.   :-\
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on November 24, 2010, 03:06 PM
If you think about it, he really only had to saw his thumb off. The rest could have fit through pretty easily.

Oh, Merle! ::)
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on November 24, 2010, 03:50 PM
If you think about it, he really only had to saw his thumb off. The rest could have fit through pretty easily.

Oh, Merle! ::)

That's funny. :)
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Morgbug on November 24, 2010, 05:44 PM
If you think about it, he really only had to saw his thumb off. The rest could have fit through pretty easily.

Oh, Merle! ::)

He also could have probably dislocated his thumb and got out as well.  Not sure how you'd go about it but if you could fold it over somehow then you could probably slide the cuff over the hand.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on November 24, 2010, 08:31 PM
If he were really smart, he'd have made his hand as wide as possible and pulled it down as far as possible while the cuffs went on.  But he's apparantly Merle, and Merle only knows three ways to do things.  The right way, the wrong way, and the Merle way...  Merle's way is the wrong way only faster, so he went with that.

And voila.  Hand on the roof.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BillCable on November 24, 2010, 08:52 PM
If he were really smart, he'd have made his hand as wide as possible and pulled it down as far as possible while the cuffs went on. 

Yeah... trained cops love it when you do that.   ;)
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on November 24, 2010, 08:59 PM
He didn't seem to be paying much attention, actually, with all the mass confusion and fighting. :)  And surprisingly, a lot of trained cops fall for that. 

But he's Merle...  *sigh*  He was just more worried about his meth or whatever he had, and keeping race relations warm and toasty in the U.S., even with zombies.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt_Fury on November 24, 2010, 11:09 PM
I'm hoping that AMC does a full marathon of the shows before the finale.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on November 24, 2010, 11:22 PM
I was thinking they were doing something this weekend, but obviously that's not the full season by any means.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: JediJman on November 26, 2010, 11:53 PM
I was thinking they were doing something this weekend, but obviously that's not the full season by any means.

Could be - there are only 6 episodes in the can for season 1.  We won't see an Episode 7 until about a year from now according to Entertainment Weekly. 

I've still had no luck finding episode 2+ online.  I'm going to have to pay Itunes for it methinks.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on November 29, 2010, 09:47 AM
Is there really only one more episode after last night? Eesh, hope not, this is severely addictive.

Five episodes in now, I think we've established that the best formula for the show is equal measures human interest/zombie killin'. They just need to work on the pacing a little to smooth this out on an episode by episode basis. We've now had 2 episodes that were mostly all talking and very little zombie action. That's a little slow and uneven, IMO. I prefer 30 minutes of the drama and 30 minutes of action, blended appropriately.

That said, even the less action packed episodes are pretty dang riveting, and always filled with at least 2-3 very memorable scenes. Loved the abused woman going to town on her dead husband's skull with the pick axe. Loved the last scene with Jim under the tree. Loved the hat-guy (maybe my favorite character in the show) totally busting Shane locking down on Rick in the woods. (Why the sudden heel turn though? I was just starting to like him again)

Liking the new angle with the CDC guy too. (Wish they had done better with the microscope close-up though, that seemed really cheesy somehow) I wonder if his lament over the lack of fresh tissue samples to study will lead them to try and retrieve Jim's body at some point. Figured dude would be at least a little happy to see other survivors though, guess not so much.

So what's Merle up to? Is he gonna find the note on the red car too?
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Greg on November 29, 2010, 10:51 AM
Loved the hat-guy (maybe my favorite character in the show) totally busting Shane locking down on Rick in the woods. (Why the sudden heel turn though? I was just starting to like him again)

I too didn't like the darker turn that Shane took, but it just goes to show the character is human. He was tempted to eliminate the "problem" that was going to put everyone in danger. I think my ultimate judgement of the character depends on what he would've done had hat-guy not shown up.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt on November 29, 2010, 11:29 AM
He was tempted to eliminate the "problem" that was going to put everyone in danger.

That wasn't the only reason he was tempted to take Rick out.

Hat-Guy's name is Dale, and he's played by Jeffrey DeMunn (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeffrey_DeMunn) who's been in all of Frank Darabont's projects.  (Not being an ******* here--I didn't know his name or the character's name, either, so I had to look this **** up, myself.)  Really liked him in Green Mile, and I really like him here, too.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on November 29, 2010, 11:57 AM
Liking the new angle with the CDC guy too. (Wish they had done better with the microscope close-up though, that seemed really cheesy somehow) I wonder if his lament over the lack of fresh tissue samples to study will lead them to try and retrieve Jim's body at some point. Figured dude would be at least a little happy to see other survivors though, guess not so much.

Well, he's researching and these people with their problems show up, so....another hassle to deal with.

On the other hand, he's near suicide at this point, from frustration or lonliness or whatever. Guess we'll find out next week (or year.)

I don't understand why they weren't picking up assault rifles from the dead army personel. I realize they wanted to be quiet, but come on...

Sucks that it'll be a year before episode 7. That's what stinks about these cable shows. Shorter seasons and longer wait.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: efranks on November 29, 2010, 02:42 PM
One thing we got from the CDC guy, a timeline.  He said in the one recording that it was 193 or 195 (something like that) days since the virus got out and 160-something since it went global.  But, we don't know exactly when he made that recording in relation to our gang showing up.  Still, that's 6 months which is damn fast to wipe out the world.

As for the gang not picking up rifles, that's a huge, tremendously HUGE, pet peeve of mine.  It seems that nearly all movies and TV shows do the same thing.  The hero is walking around with limited weapons and ammo and never picks up the guns lying around.  And when they do, which is rare, the film/show always treats it like a surprise to the audience hoping we'll have that "Oh, ****, he totally owned that bad guy that thought he was all out of ammo and **** by picking up the dead guy's gun and totally using it! ****, that wus ******' awesome." 

   E...
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Greg on November 29, 2010, 03:46 PM
I probably need to look more closely, but are there assault rifles just lying around? I've noticed the machine guns (.50 cal on the ground and tank) and vehicles, but nothing smaller. I'm no firearm expert, but I imagine that several months of no usage while exposed to the elements will not do wonders for a weapon. That has been my justification for the survivors not taking the military weapons... though why they wouldn't take the tank is beyond me.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on November 29, 2010, 07:00 PM
I watched the CDC arrival parts twice, there's a rifle on the sandbags (plus another .50 caliber heavy mg, a heavy item that would take time to move and transport.)

Tanks are slow and use a lot of fuel. Besides, who'd have experience operating one?

But why the "Vatos" in said episode were intent on the bag of guns that'd been there a day but hadn't got the .50 caliber mg from the sandbagged position  that was likely there for weeks is questionable, especially with operational cars and strong guys who could load it up fairly fast.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt_Fury on November 29, 2010, 09:13 PM
For those of you, like me, who want to see this show from the beginning.  AMC is re-airing all  episodes before the season finale next week.

My DVR is ready to go!
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BillCable on November 29, 2010, 11:46 PM
Man, the first half of episode 5 just drug on and on with the melodrama and the weepiness.  "Oh the woman loves her sister so much she stand in vigil over her until she turns so she can say goodbye..."  Gag me.

Though the gore with the husband's head was probably the most disturbing scene of the entire series so far... so there was that.

Overall it wasn't as good as the others, IMO.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on November 30, 2010, 12:40 AM
On the issue of guns and not picking up guns...

It varies, but military-grade weapons could probably "sit out" a while and still function, and function better than some of what they're carrying around.  Pump shotguns are cool for scattering a room if you've got buckshot, and they're ok with slugs for putting people down fast.  Good weapons to have, but with ammunition being limited then I'd pick up anything I could, to carry around.

On .50's, they're trasnportable if you have about two people.  They've got enough people they could rely on to take one I think, that I'd take one.  Men would be preferrable to do the job though, out of that group anyway.  A .50 with a tripod is almost 130 lbs. I think.  They're incredibly reliable though and I think even sitting out they'd be an ideal zombie mower if you could use them from a secured position.

I don't know about the reliability of an M16 that's sat out in the weather/elements for 6 months, but like I said, anything is better than nothing.  You at least pick it up to clean later, get it functional...  It'd be far superior to a lot of what they're toting in a situation where picking multiple targets quickly and firing at them is really important...  not to mention you maybe can trade them too (The vato's mentioned roving gangs).  I know some AK models can (in some cases anyway) shoot with sand poured through them, wet, etc.  It's part of their popularity.

The current guy with the best weapon is the hillbilly (Merle's brother whose name I forget often).  He's got unlimited ammo if he remembers to go back and pick up his arrow, and he's very skilled with it which isn't all that easy.  It's quiet too, and he seems fairly fast with it.  He's like the Snakeeyes/Stormshadow of Zombie death. :)

As far as driving a tank, Abrams tanks are gas hogs, but they're made fairly simple to drive, actually...  if you could get one started and it had fuel, you'd have something nice to set up near a safe area...  Unrealistic?  Depends on who is in your group.

To me, it's not enough to detract too much from the show, but I would like to see them try to pick up some of the military gear and actually use it.  Grenades, pistols/assault rifles/any small arms...  If you were setting up shop at, say the sherriff's station from the beginning of the show, I'd want a couple of those .50's if you could get some folks together to haul them.

A Humvee would be a dandy ride too...   :-\

BTW, I don't look down on Shane either...  desperate times make people do things purely selfish.  Rick's the hero, and the focal character, but Shane is looking out for everyone too and himself...  Being selfish in that situation would probably be common for many.

I too think they'll maybe go back to grab Jim.  That seemed too easily set-up.

Will we ever see the hispanic family again?  That was depressing.  :'(
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on November 30, 2010, 05:07 PM
While we're on the military angle, the more I think about it, the more implausible it seems that the zombies would have just overrun everything and wiped out all the armed forces. They're slow and stupid, and even in vast numbers completely unorganized and ineffective as a serious fighting force. I mean, right off the bat - they can't climb or swim, at least hardly at all, and while not prone to exhaustion they do get weaker and starve, and utterly lack coordination or sophisticated motor skills. (I know they climbed the stairs in the dept store but I mean like scaling a wall or a fence)

I just think it would be relatively easy to defend against a largely immobile enemy like that. Lay down a heavy suppressing fire, fall back with the flamethrowers and aft incinerators, or whatever the current jargon is, and just let 'er rip. Any kind of fortified compound should be easy to defend I would think.

Now if it were Aliens or Predators - different story.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on November 30, 2010, 07:02 PM
The zombies in this series are a little weird...  They're slow and plodding, but then they pick up the pace when they're antagonized. 

The military thing seems unlikely to me too, but you figure crowds of civilians being protected, not knowing how to protect yourself....

Look at Jim, he hid his wounds a while.  Imagine if you DON'T know how to defend against the zombies, you don't know that they bite and infect you...  I could see them getting into the compounds and once they're inside a fortified area, the area's compromised and probably the infection spreads fast.

Where's the Navy, is my question.  You'd think islands/naval vessels may be less susceptable to all this.  That there could be islands without any infection and which aren't letting anyone on.

How'd it spread in the first place though?  HOw did people get this?  That's the kind of question I'd like answered.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: speedermike on November 30, 2010, 09:42 PM
The military thing doesn't bother me.  All it would take was one wounded dude to go into a base or something, turn zobie, start biting other dudes and then the military is weakened from within.

What bothers me is that the show just hangs around a lot.  I'm not a fan of the comic, but it was set up more as a road story, with locales changing often. I mean, it took them five episode to stop camping.

When I was in high school, my buddies and I were obsessed with Dawn of the Dead, and how we'd survive a zombie infestation. Our solution was to get to this one mall that had a supermarket and a Channel Hardware (remember them?) next to each other.  Grab the food, bring it into the hardware store, then use the tools, wood, pipes, saws and stuff to defend the store.  We even spent an afternnon in the hardware store figuring out our defense stratagies.  Honest.  No wonder we couldn't get dates.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on December 1, 2010, 09:49 PM
The US military doesn't use flamethrowers, not since the 60's, probably. I'd assume they'd kill a lot of zombies and do a lot of collatoral destruction in the process, possibly increasing chaos and hastening the end of civilization (I'm thinking of that Riegn of Fire movie where the dragons destroy human civilization).

There's remote enough island where people could survive...Kergulen wouldn't have much to worry about. or St. Helena or Mackinac Island  :P. That's assuming the elements were there for them to survive. Though, it depends on the nature of the contagion. If everyone who dies come back, you gotta know that and take appropriate steps.

Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on December 1, 2010, 10:17 PM
I think the military still has flamethrowers to use, they just haven't been seen in use since Vietnam I'd assume.  I assume they have access to something though.

Flamethrowers are good for clearing out a tight-quarters area...  Just spraying and praying with them, they're less effective.

I guess they've been largely replaced by incindiery weapons like the M202 "Flash" (which I'm not real familiar with really, other than it's more a rocket launcher).

I have a feeling traditional throwers are still available in surplus though.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Diddly on December 1, 2010, 10:23 PM
Apparently all of the writers for the show have been fired...
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on December 1, 2010, 10:29 PM
Wow...  I wonder why though?  It's just taking off.  How can you be so abrupt?
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Morgbug on December 1, 2010, 10:41 PM
Wow...  I wonder why though?  It's just taking off.  How can you be so abrupt?

No one bought the cauterizing thing, especially after going down an entire building while already stressed and dehydrated.  Too unrealistic, unlike the concept of zombies taking over the world.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on December 1, 2010, 11:42 PM
I guess...  no more so than not picking up the weapons though.  Come on?!

Watch the new crew have Merle show up with various power tools and stuff attachable to his stump, like Evil Dead or something similar.  That's when the show goes from, "Holy ****, this is what I expect of the actual zombie apocalypse", to simply silly and unbelievable.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on December 2, 2010, 10:41 AM
Apparently all of the writers for the show have been fired...

Link? This is news to me...
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BillCable on December 2, 2010, 10:45 AM
Link (http://www.deadline.com/2010/12/the-walking-dead-lets-go-of-writers-considers-no-writing-staff-for-season-2/)
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt on December 2, 2010, 10:51 AM
I guess...  no more so than not picking up the weapons though.  Come on?!

We're still on that?  Jeez.

They're right there; it's not like they can't go back and get them, ever.  They can do it off-screen, even:  "Hey, Bob, we went ahead and grabbed all the guns off the corpses, just like you suggested."  "Great, thanks."

Besides, the dead military guys' weapons are probably all out of ammo or else they wouldn't be dead military guys in the first place.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on December 2, 2010, 01:23 PM
Wow, nice end-around on the Writer's Guild...I'm sure they will love that.

I would prefer Darabont just write the whole thing and not even bother with freelancers. Better to have 1 guy that is consistent and knows what he is doing than a rotating cast of hired hands just looking for their next paycheck.

Otherwise it'll just end up like some godawful trainwreck like Heroes.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on December 2, 2010, 04:06 PM
We're still on that?  Jeez.

They're right there; it's not like they can't go back and get them, ever.  They can do it off-screen, even:  "Hey, Bob, we went ahead and grabbed all the guns off the corpses, just like you suggested."  "Great, thanks."

Besides, the dead military guys' weapons are probably all out of ammo or else they wouldn't be dead military guys in the first place.


Yes.  We will be on this forever, till you see reason, sir.

Dead soldiers probably have extra ammo on them...  neener neener neener.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Mainland05 on December 3, 2010, 04:14 PM
Great show, can't wait for the second season now.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on December 5, 2010, 12:04 AM
I think the military still has flamethrowers to use, they just haven't been seen in use since Vietnam I'd assume.  I assume they have access to something though.

Flamethrowers are good for clearing out a tight-quarters area...  Just spraying and praying with them, they're less effective.

I guess they've been largely replaced by incindiery weapons like the M202 "Flash" (which I'm not real familiar with really, other than it's more a rocket launcher).

I have a feeling traditional throwers are still available in surplus though.

Possibly. But I learned that the military doesn't use them in the field as weapons from hanging around GI JOE message boards where some know-it-alls about the real military occassionaly chime in. Of course, there were like 4 different flame thrower characters on the 80's-90's GI JOE team, to heck with miltiary reality.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Tracy on December 5, 2010, 01:15 PM
If I were a survivor I would be concerned about how the virus was spread.  If you had to be bit or scratched then I would think it would be blood or saliva/fluid borne.  I would be quite hesitant to wallow in the bloody body of someone who was bit, even if it was my beloved family member.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on December 6, 2010, 10:20 AM
Well, so much for that.  :'(

This was the best thing I have seen all year on TV, and I am totally going to miss it. If we really have to wait a whole year for new episodes that is going to suck.

Pretty good ending, would have liked to have been left with at least an inkling of where things are heading though.

Seems like at this point, your best bet is to hunker down, find a safe place and wait. They've already noted the zombies are starving, so a few more months and they should have degraded to a near inert level of activity. (the muscles will simply atrophy with a lack of nutrients I would expect)

The scenes in the CDC were mostly good, although again, you've got Joe Scientist standing there and still no one asks how it got started? Where was Ground Zero for the outbreak? I figure at least Rick would have been curious. We're still lacking a lot of key, basic information I feel like.

I still don't get Shane. They continue to show him alternating between noble and despicable, to the point where it's hard to grap the character's moral center. Is he just a good guy slowly going over the edge? Or something darker?

And how does anyone buy that "I must have scratched myself while sleeping" schtick? COME ON.

So why exactly does crew-cut lady have a grenade in her purse? Just thought it might come in handy later? And you weren't worried at all about keeping a potentially unstable explosive device inches from your daughter?  ::)

Did they forget all about Merle? Or the black guy and his son?

Best line of the night:

"That door is designed to withstand a rocket launcher"

"Your head ain't!"
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on December 6, 2010, 12:51 PM
The CDC Dr. Jenner was a downer. Also, I find it amusing had the survivors been one day later, they'd have found smoldering rubble. But everyone got a hot shower!

Also, Doc didn't know if it was a virus or what. Okaaay...I think they'd be able to establish more what it wasn't at least.

The brain scan thing was neat.

To add to the "not picking up weapons" thing,  the doctor noting that some assault rifles were left around...

Seems to me they need to consolidate some vehicles...too many for what, 11 people now.

We are left with two mysteries (beyond the virus), the helicopter in Atlanta and what the doctor told him.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Hemish on December 7, 2010, 02:44 AM
I think the doc told him about his wife and the other cop, he might have seen them on camera maybe??
The idea of what would happen to that building should the power go was good.

They got drunk, had bacon and eggs the next morning and then back on the road.

I figured more people would actually stay with the doc at the end though.

Given the circumstances I think I would probably do the same thing.

We still havent seen how he gets to the place he was in the first ep when he shoots the kid zombie though right?
So that still has to happen??
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Mikey D on December 7, 2010, 08:44 AM

We are left with two mysteries (beyond the virus), the helicopter in Atlanta and what the doctor told him.

If they follow the comics, the second one is really easy to figure out.  Granted the show is about 85% different from the events in the comics (no CDC or hillbillies with crossbows in the comics), but having read the comics, it seemed pretty obvious what the doctor told Rick. 

I'll write it real small so it's tough to read.  If you want to see it, just copy and paste in Word or something - Lori's pregnant. 


We still havent seen how he gets to the place he was in the first ep when he shoots the kid zombie though right?
So that still has to happen??

That happened between Rick raiding the police station and leaving Morgan and his kid and Rick finding the farmhouse with the horse.  He was in the police car at that time and running out of gas.  No need for any further explanation, it was just a scene to grab the viewers.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: speedermike on December 8, 2010, 11:36 AM
Mikey, I figured that out and I haven't read the comic...wait I did...but I was bored by it...but yeah, with all the bloodwork being done it was a no brainer.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BillCable on December 8, 2010, 12:06 PM
Seems to me they need to consolidate some vehicles...too many for what, 11 people now.

I was thinking that.  They're just wasting fuel.  Consolidate to two vehicles.

Overall it was pretty good.  Worth watching.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: jedipurge on December 10, 2010, 01:52 PM
i've been watching from Ep1, got my wife watching from Ep2 which is shocker cuz she doesn't like this kinda stuff.  Glad they kind of explained why sheriff got left behind and that it wasn't for some alternate reasoning like now i can bang his wife.

As far as military being overun to well you take Atlanta somebody said population of 5 million maybe half infected other half either dead-dead or alive and hiding/trying to escape.  that's still 2.5 million zombies that can potentially overrun your position.  So unless you're using hard core missles and gattling guns i think u better get out of Dodge. 

while picking up a .50 cal could potentially mow down some zombies u have to take in the noise factor as well.  if they're worried about a pistol going off imagine the swarms of something like that.  so that'd would have to be a last resort weapon or something to use when you're on the move.  So that'd probably also rule out the Vatos as they're stationary and aren't leaving anytime soon.

i could imagine world leaders on aircraft carries for sure, and I'm sure there'd be working governments but just the matter of being able to get word out to survivors.  Don't how many people have watched the History Channel show world without people or something like that.  But they sure make it sound like stuff would break down pretty quick without us constently maintaining them.  Power grids would falter pretty quick.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt_Fury on October 7, 2011, 12:16 AM
Season 2 Trailer. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=grWV8WZtAQc)


The Walking Dead returns next Sunday (16 October)!  AMC is also showing all of season 1 before the Season 2 premier for anyone who wants to either catch up or has not had the opportunity to see it.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: iFett on October 7, 2011, 08:51 AM
Coolness.  Never did catch this show, but I'll be on board.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Tracy on October 7, 2011, 10:33 AM
Wow!  I didn't realize it was returning so (realitively) soon.  Thank goodness for DVR - I can spread out Dexter, The Walking Dead, Homeland and House.  Just need to wait for The Killing and Mad Men to pick back up.  It will carry me over to summer and True Blood.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on October 7, 2011, 12:25 PM
I'm psyched. I've been watching progressively less TV the past few years so the few remaining shows I do keep up with are welcome returns.

Too bad they couldn't have timed the action figures to come out in advance of the new season. Pretty weak sauce, I have been jonesing for these hard all summer. Will they ever show up?
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Diddly on October 7, 2011, 12:43 PM
I'm glad I didn't snag the DVD when it came out, they just released a "super special edition" of some sort

I'll have to try to catch more than 3 episodes this season
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt_Fury on October 7, 2011, 12:51 PM
I'm glad I didn't snag the DVD when it came out, they just released a "super special edition" of some sort

I'll have to try to catch more than 3 episodes this season

Coolness.  Never did catch this show, but I'll be on board.



Season 2 Trailer. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=grWV8WZtAQc)


The Walking Dead returns next Sunday (16 October)!  AMC is also showing all of season 1 before the Season 2 premier for anyone who wants to either catch up or has not had the opportunity to see it.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: iFett on October 7, 2011, 01:02 PM
Ya I caught that part.  I wouldn't be "on board" without watching the first season   ;)
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Captain Piet on October 16, 2011, 01:22 PM
Was in the presentation last night at NYCC. Looking forward to rest of season 2, although uncertain since they gave Darabont the boot.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on October 16, 2011, 04:23 PM
Was in the presentation last night at NYCC. Looking forward to rest of season 2, although uncertain since they gave Darabont the boot.

Please tell me they at least had the figures for sale! Those things were supposed to be out by now...I really want to check those out.

Looking forward to the premier, hoping since it's the first episode back and they want to hook in some new viewers they will have a little more action and a little less yakkity-yak.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: iFett on October 16, 2011, 05:00 PM
DVR.  What a wonderful invention.   Hope to be caught up on everything before the next episode.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Captain Piet on October 16, 2011, 05:55 PM
Was in the presentation last night at NYCC. Looking forward to rest of season 2, although uncertain since they gave Darabont the boot.

Please tell me they at least had the figures for sale! Those things were supposed to be out by now...I really want to check those out.

Looking forward to the premier, hoping since it's the first episode back and they want to hook in some new viewers they will have a little more action and a little less yakkity-yak.

Answer is yes all around  ;)
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: efranks on October 16, 2011, 09:26 PM
Was in the presentation last night at NYCC. Looking forward to rest of season 2, although uncertain since they gave Darabont the boot.

Please tell me they at least had the figures for sale! Those things were supposed to be out by now...I really want to check those out.

Looking forward to the premier, hoping since it's the first episode back and they want to hook in some new viewers they will have a little more action and a little less yakkity-yak.

The figures have been found at TRU stores over the last couple of days.  I spotted some of them on Friday night.  The downside, they're like $20 each.  Complete over pricing going on there.

   E...
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Morgbug on October 16, 2011, 10:30 PM
Yup.  Didn't see that coming at the end. 
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Chris M on October 17, 2011, 09:35 AM
Awesome episode last night.  I felt like they did a really good job of developing the characters over what was done in Season 1.

I did not see that ending coming at all. It felt like a double cliff hanger ending.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt_Fury on October 17, 2011, 09:56 AM
I knew something was going to happen...but was a little shocked.  Who here thought the dead body in the truck Carl opened was going to start moving?
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on October 17, 2011, 10:29 AM
In retrospect, I think it would have been a little more shocking if they hadn't spoiled it showing Rick running through the field with his wounded son in a promo for the new season that was airing WHILE THE SHOW WAS STILL ON.  ::) I hate it when shows do stuff like that.

But yeah, that was a great season opener, everything I enjoy about that series on display. Good action, quality splatter, strong writing. The blond chick's suicide rant was perfection, really well done. And we finally got The Herd! Hell yes!

Couple of thoughts:

1) Seems the dude on the RV would have noticed the zombies before they got quite THAT close. I mean, they were RIGHT up on them. I have to assume they didn't pass them on the road so I guess they just walked out of the woods.

2) Why weren't any zombies attracted to the sound of the recorded church bells? If that thing was on a timer it must have been going off for weeks. (Why did the church still have power even?)

3) I kinda missed the point of that scene with the older dude and the black guy talking about the "needs of the few" and the "magic radiator hose" or whatever. What was that? What exactly was the older dude implying?

Guess it would have been too easy for Rick to reveal what the doctor told him in the first 5 minutes. But if it's what we all think, why hasn't he told his wife yet?  ???
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Morgbug on October 17, 2011, 10:49 AM

3) I kinda missed the point of that scene with the older dude and the black guy talking about the "needs of the few" and the "magic radiator hose" or whatever. What was that? What exactly was the older dude implying?

I was assuming he was talking about how the group would suggest leaving because the 12 year old girl must surely be dead (logical).  By suggesting the RV wasn't ready to go yet meant that they should at least look for her until the vehicle was ready to move again.  That's how I took it. 

Didn't even notice the commercial as I typically ignore them as best I can (changed to the even more horrifying Sunday night football debacle during the commercial breaks) but that was kind of dumb to run it at that point. 

Also got to agree that the guy on top of the RV would have had to have seen them coming sooner than 100 feet out. 
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jeff on October 17, 2011, 12:54 PM
1) Seems the dude on the RV would have noticed the zombies before they got quite THAT close. I mean, they were RIGHT up on them. I have to assume they didn't pass them on the road so I guess they just walked out of the woods.

Ditto.  Seemed strange to have a whole herd pop up like that since I thought the point of him going up there was to watch out...

2) Why weren't any zombies attracted to the sound of the recorded church bells? If that thing was on a timer it must have been going off for weeks. (Why did the church still have power even?)

Well, there were three dead inside... maybe ther rest got used to the sound after so long?

3) I kinda missed the point of that scene with the older dude and the black guy talking about the "needs of the few" and the "magic radiator hose" or whatever. What was that? What exactly was the older dude implying?

By suggesting the RV wasn't ready to go yet meant that they should at least look for her until the vehicle was ready to move again.  That's how I took it. 

I thought the same as Brent.  If they all knew the RV was ready to go, dale was afraid someone would have said "screw the little girl, let's go now" and cause more dissention in the group. 


My only other question... what the hell killed all the people in the cars?  Tent-guy definitely capped himself, but all the decaying bodies in the cars...  I didn't get that.  How/why did they all die like that?  They all looked like they were just "dead" dead and never seemed to be Walking Dead...
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Pete_Fett on October 17, 2011, 01:18 PM
My only other question... what the hell killed all the people in the cars?  Tent-guy definitely capped himself, but all the decaying bodies in the cars...  I didn't get that.  How/why did they all die like that?  They all looked like they were just "dead" dead and never seemed to be Walking Dead...

I was wondering the same thing. Have they ever answered the question of what happens to a walking dead if they don't feed for a long period of time?

Like the guy in the truck with the edged weapons, he was strapped into his seat belt. My thinking was that he became a "walking" dead but in that state couldn't figure out how to free himself from the seat belt and essentially "starved" to a second death.

It's the only explanation I could come up with, otherwise, those people in the cars should still be the "walking" type of dead and not the "dead" type of dead.

Even with the flaws (like the Church still having power for the electronic church bell) and then not seeing the herd sooner, I thought it was a great episode, and just like all of the episodes in the first season, as soon as the episode was over, I wanted to see another one immediately. Definitely a sign of great story telling.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Mikey D on October 17, 2011, 02:49 PM
That looked like a pretty major accident occurred (cars flipped over, etc.), I imagine some of the occupants died in the crash and if they didn't, they died from their injuries when no helped arrived.

And don't you need to be bit by a walker to become a zombie?  Dying from natural causes or an accident injury won't make you a walking dead.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt_Fury on October 18, 2011, 01:52 AM
And don't you need to be bit by a walker to become a zombie?  Dying from natural causes or an accident injury won't make you a walking dead.

In the comic it was established that all recently deceased would become walkers unless their brains were destroyed.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on October 18, 2011, 02:18 AM
So far the series hasn't established that though, that I can think of...  The weird thing about the accident theory though, is a lot of the people dead in their cars are simplly sitting in a car, dead.  No outward signs of trauma as it were, to neither the cars (in some cases) nor the people inside.

The random dead folks in the car does seem to be a bit of an enigma.

One theory I had though, considering this also appears to be not just an accident scene but a major traffic jam during a disaster/apocolyptic event, is that some of the occupants of the vehicles were killed by other motorists for what they had or wanted to take.  Again, doesn't really jive with how som eof the people seemed to just die behind the wheel like they fell asleep or something till the car ran out of gas. 

I find little things odd too but just chalk them up to mistakes like in movies and stuff.  **** happens, and all that.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Tracy on October 18, 2011, 08:27 AM
I haven't read any of the comics or spoilers - but I just assumed there was some sort of viral outbreak.  Just like any other virus people reacted differently based on their immune systems and various other factors - some simply died from it, some survived and some reanimated as walkers.  At least that's what I tell myself in order to suspend reality for an hour ;)
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BillCable on October 18, 2011, 08:55 AM
I never was under the impression that all dead reanimated in the show.  Only the bitten.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: iFett on October 18, 2011, 09:35 AM
So my dvr cheesed out and was wondering how many episodes I missed?  Started watching season 1 last night with the episode right before the dude sawed off his hand from the rooftop.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: name on October 18, 2011, 11:40 AM
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504784_162-20121514-10391705.html
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on October 18, 2011, 01:54 PM
That was weird.

I'm going on a haunted walk this weekend in Pittsburgh that gets national reviews and stuff.  This year they've added a "Zombie" theme to it since that's such a big thing here...  It's always fun, but this year I'm really hoping for something extra enjoyable. :)
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Morgbug on October 18, 2011, 03:33 PM
Zombie walk here this Saturday as well. 
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Phrubruh on October 18, 2011, 04:29 PM
I hear before 2007 Pittsburgh was completely defendless against zombie attack. They now have drills every year on surviving a zombie attack. It seems Pittsburgh is ground zero for zombie attacks since it's citizens make the best zombies. I guess it's part of Pittsburghers' heritage. You grow up in Pittsburgh, you go to Primanti's, you love the Steelers, and you, at some point or another in your life, walk like a zombie.

Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on October 18, 2011, 06:17 PM
Not a Zombie walk Brent, but actually a haunted house thing...  They do big Zombie walks downtown now and then too (Record setting ones I guess). 

It is ground zero for it around here...  Good times though, but I've never attended the big walks they've done downtown or on the South Side.  I think Jedi_Master_Sal has been at them though.

Eating at Primanti's would make you walk like a fast zombie more than a regular one though.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: JediJman on October 18, 2011, 06:19 PM
Trying not to read anything in this thread since I don't get AMC.  Can anyone PM me if they know of a site where I can catch TWD Series 2 episodes?  I had to wait around for Netflix with S1 and don't want to do that again if I can help it...

THANKS!
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BillCable on October 18, 2011, 06:53 PM
Does the compression and artifacting on Walking Dead make it look like ABSOLUTE **** for you, too?  It is unwatchably bad with Verizon FiOS.  It was so bad last night that I could see the lines of a 6-block grid overlaying the other artifacts.  The commercials are crystal clear.  Every other HD channel is gorgeous.  But the programming on AMC is crushed to hell.  I actually stopped watching Breaking Bad this season because of the compression and decided to wait for it on Blu-ray.

Is it as bad with every provider, or is it just Verizon?  Or is it just Pittsburgh Verizon?  It's just ridiculously stupid they're doing this.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on October 18, 2011, 08:34 PM
I've got Comcast Bill,  and it looked great here.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Phrubruh on October 18, 2011, 09:06 PM
Is it as bad with every provider, or is it just Verizon?  Or is it just Pittsburgh Verizon?  It's just ridiculously stupid they're doing this.

It could be your line coming into the house is bad. Mine went bad and it took them a month to finally figure out to replace the line because it was cracked. They say the line noise starts with a few channels then spreads. Finally, your internet fails and then your phone. TV is the most touchy with SNR. Check the box on the side of the house. The video light will be red if the video is failing.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on October 18, 2011, 09:22 PM
I've got Comcast Bill,  and it looked great here.

Ditto, no issues with the HD down here.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BillCable on October 19, 2011, 07:46 AM
Anybody else on FiOS having problems?  I doubt it's the line, since the commercials are crystal clear.  But who knows?
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BillCable on October 19, 2011, 07:52 AM
Doing some research, it is a known issue with Verizon.  That sucks because it's simply unwatchable.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Phrubruh on October 19, 2011, 09:27 AM
It depends, sometimes the commericals are in a different resolution so it is easier to decode those.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt_Fury on October 19, 2011, 12:42 PM
DirecTv now has AMC in HD.  Let me know if you want to switch!
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: name on October 19, 2011, 01:54 PM
Well I finally started watching this...Caught eps 4 5 and 6 of season one since they are all that's on demand.  I guess I can find the other three online somewhere.  Will watch the season 2 stuff tonight, probably.  Good stuff...interesting storytelling.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: JediJman on October 19, 2011, 05:44 PM
Well I finally started watching this...Caught eps 4 5 and 6 of season one since they are all that's on demand.  I guess I can find the other three online somewhere.  Will watch the season 2 stuff tonight, probably.  Good stuff...interesting storytelling.

Let me know if you find a good place to catch Season 2 online.  I have not found a good source yet.   :-\
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: iFett on October 19, 2011, 06:03 PM
Glad to finally hear I only missed the first 2 episodes of season 1.  Hopefully they'll re-air soon and I'll be good to go.  6 episodes kinda short ?
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BillCable on October 19, 2011, 06:06 PM
It was like a pilot season, to see if it caught on.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: iFett on October 20, 2011, 11:19 AM
Thanks Bill.....Now that I've seen the first episode of season 2....I gotta know.

Do zombies poop?
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on October 20, 2011, 12:25 PM
I was thinking that as well on Sunday when they were cutting that one open.

Where does that all go?
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BillCable on October 20, 2011, 01:43 PM
Absorbed into the body.  100% efficient!!
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: IncomT65 on October 20, 2011, 02:20 PM
Zombies don't poop. In fact, they don't suffer from any of the inconveniences we mere mortals are bothered with.

Watched episode 1 of the new season last night. TWD airs on a channel I don't have in my bundle, but I have other ways of watching what I want to watch. Good to be back into this great series. I have zero knowledge of the TPBs/comics, which is probably a good thing, because I can just enjoy it for what it is: damn fine zombie gore on the small screen!
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on October 20, 2011, 05:46 PM
Absorbed into the body.  100% efficient!!

The woodchuck's head would've been absorbing a while...  Would've been hell to poop out too, zombie or not.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: P-Siddy on October 20, 2011, 08:10 PM
Do zombies poop?

There's a title for a kids book.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: name on October 20, 2011, 09:29 PM
Watched season 2 opener last night.  What a kick in the nads that was. 
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Phrubruh on October 20, 2011, 10:49 PM
Do zombies poop?

There's a title for a kids book.

You guessed the title of SpeederMike's new book!
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Captain Piet on October 21, 2011, 06:26 AM
Just FYI, for fans of the show in the New York, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, etc., area, there is the New Jersey Undead Festival and Zombie Walk this weekend in Asbury Park, NJ. I believe they set the Guiness World record for zombies last year.

http://www.njzombiewalk.com/

I realize it's not Star Wars, however, we all know zombies can come out of any pop culture property. The zombie walk is tomorrow, Oct. 22, at 5 p.m. and there is something with exhibitors and vendors going on in Convention Hall all weekend.
The team from PhGeek.com will be there taking zombie pictures to put up on the site and handing out stickers. If you go, stop by and see us. This weekend is also Zombie Free Write on the website, so check out our celebration or, in my case, denigration, of zombie culture.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: P-Siddy on October 21, 2011, 09:17 AM
I realize it's not Star Wars, however, we all know zombies can come out of any pop culture property.

Wasn't there a book about zombie Stormtroopers or something? Definitely Geonosians.  ;)
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: GrandMoffNick on October 21, 2011, 09:32 AM
I realize it's not Star Wars, however, we all know zombies can come out of any pop culture property.

Wasn't there a book about zombie Stormtroopers or something? Definitely Geonosians.  ;)

There was and it wasn't good.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Phrubruh on October 24, 2011, 09:34 AM
I've been slacking and really havn't watch the show. I watched the first two episodes back when they originally aired and haven't watched since. I watched last night show. It doesn't seem that much as changed. I guess both groups have gotten together and separated again. It was good to see the sheriff and his wife reunited. Some good drama there with the doctor and kid. It had a rather stupid typically horror scene of the blonde wandering off to meet a zombie. Good arrow shot. My question is why would they have a plan to get into the to fema supply room but not one for getting out? Couldn't they have thrown more flares to destract the zombies? It seemed stupid to run out and get trapped.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on October 24, 2011, 09:40 AM
Maybe it was all the cold medicine I am taking, but last night's episode seemed pretty dull. Not bad, just not quite as gripping as the opener. It's pretty much a foregone conclusion the kid is going to live so all the drama seems sort of like wasted energy, plot-wise.

I fear they are going to spend at least another 2-3 episodes on Carl, the lost girl, and the people at the farm, and really I just want them to wrap it all up and get back on the road to Ft Benning. I feel like the show is best when they keep moving and are discovering new things/people.

I like all the farm people, esp the fat guy who I will always remember as the weird dude from the X-Files who could make his eyeballs vibrate. I like that they all seem pretty cool and there are no heels/foils to worry about in that group. I can't help but wonder how they seem to remain relatively unscathed out there though? They didn't seem to have a lot of weapons, defenses, etc. Kind of odd.

Not getting a good feeling about the black dude's long term prospects on this show. The crazy people always seem marked for death.

Next week looks awesome, Shane blasting zombies at the high school.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Chris M on October 24, 2011, 09:48 AM
It's not just you, I thought last night's was pretty dull as well.  Had I known that was going to be the case, I wouldn't have stayed up to watch it and would have waited to watch today. 

Hopefully next week will introduce something crazy into the show, but I fear they will be camped out at the farmhouse for another episode or two before moving on.  So it stands to question what kind of zombie killing will everyone get into?  Obviously Shane and the fat guy have their work cut out.  But what about everyone else?
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Morgbug on October 24, 2011, 11:26 AM
It's pretty much a foregone conclusion the kid is going to live so all the drama seems sort of like wasted energy, plot-wise.


I wonder about that?  Got to thinking and what if they kill off both kids in the first couple of episodes?  Ouch, wouldn't that be a surprising twist to the plot? 

Episode last night was ok, but yeah, agree on the slow/dull bit. 
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jeff on October 24, 2011, 11:44 AM
My favorite easter egg in last night's show was in the pill bag - when Daryl showed the blue crystal meth as he was digging through the pill bottle, I had to wonder if it was Walt/Jesse's 'blue meth'?  :D

I'll be expecting an old Sterling-Cooper-Draper-Price ad showing up at some point too. :P
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Chris M on October 24, 2011, 01:36 PM
Being that it's been a while, what was the significance of the blue crystal meth bottle?
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jeff on October 24, 2011, 01:51 PM
The "Blue Meth" in that bottle was a nod to AMC's other hit show Breaking Bad.  ;)
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Chris M on October 24, 2011, 03:32 PM
Gotcha.  I never watched Breaking Bad so that obviously went right over my head.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: iFett on October 24, 2011, 03:48 PM
Ya I didn't quite catch what that was meant for last night, but that's pretty cool.  BB was a pretty decent show, but I fell off after season 1 so not sure what's going on there.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on October 25, 2011, 02:09 PM
I'll say it again.  I've never had a TV show put my stomach in knots like TWD does.  Wow.

I didn't find it dull at all...  Otis and Shane had me freaking a little while watching them go to the FEMA tent.  I like picking out the zombies too, that make sense for the scene, like the soldier and FEMA jacketed worker. 

A smarter idea would've been seeing if they could get a car, just out of vision of the zombies over a hill or something, and setting its alarm off and doing an end round on them to the FEMA tent.  The "Rick Flares" were a really bad idea.  I could've told those two that!  ::)  So's taking a chubby guy with you though, regardless what he knows.

Darryl's grown on me a lot.  He's no Merl.

I like the new people they've found, but that house is all kinds of NotLD bad for a zombie hide-out.  They're out of the way, but that can be bad too.

I keep trying to figure stuff out, like why zombies are in herds now, why they're clustered around the high school, piecing together things from last season that were said and putting them to this season.  Love this show.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: iFett on October 25, 2011, 02:55 PM
I keep trying to figure stuff out, like why zombies are in herds now, why they're clustered around the high school, piecing together things from last season that were said and putting them to this season.  Love this show.

Did you watch "the talking dead" after the show?  The producer dude said the herds and certain other things will be explained in time.  My poop question even came up but he didn't want to go there.   ;D
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Chris M on October 26, 2011, 09:51 AM
Does anybody watch the webisodes?

I think they have six or seven of a series up and I watched over the past couple of days and thought they were pretty good.  Obviously they don't stick with the main characters, but provided an interesting back story for one of the walkers we saw in the first episode.  It was somewhat gut wrenching, especially if you are a parent.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Tracy on October 26, 2011, 10:07 AM

Darryl's grown on me a lot.  He's no Merl.

Me too - he is definitely coming into his own now that he is away from his brother.  He is becoming one of my favortie characters.  It really wouldn't bother me much if the walkers did away with Shane - he bugs the piss out of me.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on October 26, 2011, 11:29 AM
AMC just renewed them for Season 3, gotta love the quick pick-up. Both episodes this season have been ratings gold apparently.

I agree, up with Darryl, down with Shane.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on October 26, 2011, 01:38 PM
See, from a Zombie survivalist POV, I'd want Darryl and Shane...  I could basically do away with anyone but the two cops and Darryl, haha.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt_Fury on October 31, 2011, 12:35 AM
After tonight's episode, you might want to rethink keeping Shane around, Jesse.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Chris M on October 31, 2011, 07:26 AM
I stayed up to watch last night.  Damn!!  I wonder how the Shane twist is going to work out.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on October 31, 2011, 09:16 AM
A decent effort, seemed like an episode more focused on laying thr groundwork for future plot development.

The Asian kid and redhead making goo goo eyes, more backstory on Darryl, Dale/Andrea tension, etc.

I guess the black dude is going to heal up and come back from crazytown?

Not much a surprise at the end there. You had to figure when they cut away there was going to be a "reveal" later on. Poor Otis. He really should have used that last bullet on Shane.

Not sure what to make of the Travis Bickle moment. His character treads the line between good and evil anyway, so hard to say if he is really going off the deep end at this point. (BTW ladies - you can close your drooling mouths now, yes dude has nice abs)

I had to watch the scene with him and the wife twice at the end to figure out what she said. At first I assumed it was just "Thanks" but the second time it sounded like she said "Stay". Yeah, great idea honey.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: P-Siddy on October 31, 2011, 11:01 AM
I had to watch the scene with him and the wife twice at the end to figure out what she said. At first I assumed it was just "Thanks" but the second time it sounded like she said "Stay". Yeah, great idea honey.

I have some bad hearing and sometimes when I can't catch something with all the background noise (kids, wife), I use the CC feature. It works wonders.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: iFett on November 8, 2011, 12:10 PM
So did Shane really need to shoot the fat dude?  They seemed to be making their way out of the school just fine - gimpy and everything, but still.

Well walker was nifty....and gory.  Looks like the dude with one hand will be on next week's episode (still haven't seen the first 2 episodes of season 1)  I know he's Darryl's brother, but ?

Also going to be difficult trying to hide from the dead with a screaming baby me thinks.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt_Fury on November 8, 2011, 12:56 PM
The walkers kept cutting them off from the truck.  Shane shot Otis so he would move even slower and the walkers would be distracted by the fresh meat.

I was a little surprised that Darryl didn't hang around the house a little more, looks like someone little was hiding out there.

I'm real curious to see how Mer;e's return is handled!
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Chris M on November 8, 2011, 02:46 PM
It seems to me as if Darryl is a bit more dedicated to the group than when he started.  I wonder if he's realized how bad a guy Merel (sp?) really was and how he'll handle it.  I wonder if he'll just take the opportunity to knock him off if the opportunity presents itself.

I wonder if Darryl is planning on going back to that house with a little backup possibly and then wait and see who shows up.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on November 8, 2011, 10:16 PM
Wow, it's been 24 hours now and I can barely even remember what happened in that episode. Glen got laid, check. Well walker - cool. Lots of hand wringing from Rick.

So how did that dude even end up in the well? Did he just fall in? No one is concerned they have zombies strolling around the property?

Still don't get how the house is supposed to be safe with no motion detectors, fortifications, even a lookout of any kind. And no guns?

Yeah, it seemed clear that Sophia was hiding in that house, wonder why he didn't even mention this to the mom later. Seemed to give up a little quick on that.

Return of Merle should be epic next week. Cannot wait.

Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on November 8, 2011, 10:44 PM
Or Merle's in that house...   :-X

Good episode setting up next week I thought.  Well guy was weird though, and I agree, I'd like to know why a random zombie was in there, and why'd nobody ever notice?

I find the lack of fortification at the farm a tad odd too.  I wonder how many people Herschel has sent out into the quagmire too, to have thsi rule already sort of firm and established.  He's lost Otis...  I'd think he'd maybe be a bit more open to some "good" people being around for simply protection since as the Vatos pointed out, the peopel you're going to meet won't be the good ones most likely.

Survivors are going to be Shane-types.  Do waht you have to, to live.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Tracy on November 13, 2011, 08:50 PM
Quick question before tonight's episode - uh - how long has Rick been back?
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt_Fury on November 13, 2011, 11:42 PM
Quick question before tonight's episode - uh - how long has Rick been back?

IN the timeline of the show, I'd say no more than a week or two.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Tracy on November 14, 2011, 08:12 AM
Quick question before tonight's episode - uh - how long has Rick been back?

IN the timeline of the show, I'd say no more than a week or two.
Oops - well then that is one doodle that can't be undid........
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Chris M on November 14, 2011, 09:45 AM
About last night...damn!!!!

I knew there was something up with that really odd family, but I didn't expect to see them keeping walkers as "pets."  I'm interested to see where that goes next week.  Sucks though, because the show will go on a break until February I believe to film episodes 7-12.  It's going to be a long winter. 

I also wonder if we are going to continue seeing Merel dreams (or Merel himself) and if Sophia was the person hiding out in the house.  Darryl really seemed to be motivated to get away from his brother even more so last night, judging by his reactions to the dream.  He's really started to come into his own and is now one of my favorite characters. 
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on November 14, 2011, 10:13 AM
Really good episode last night...the whole scene in the creek bad was freaking awesome from start to finish. Ripping the arrow out of your own abdomen, cocking the crossbow, and then firing that thing point blank right into the zombie's brain just before it eats you...does it get any better than that?

I was disappointed we got gypped with a "hallucination Merle" rather than the real thing but whatever. Writers love stupid mis-direction crap like that. I guess he was Darryl's "chupacabra du jour".

I like that Darryl is sort of wrestling internally with his own identity, kind of an opposing parallel to Shane. Darryl's a good guy who was probably told his whole life he was a bad guy and is struggling to emerge from that shadow. Shane is clearly heading in the opposite direction.

It's cool to see Andrea sort of morphing more into her comic book character, the sharpshooter of the bunch. Great line by Dale too..."we've all wanted to shoot Darryl".  :D

Cool twist with the barn, you know that isn't going to end well. P-whipped or not, I can't see Glyn agreeing to keep this a secret for long. I suspect the walkers in there are probably friends or kin of the old man, and he is keeping them around in the hopes that they can be "cured" at some point. Good luck with that. 

Sucks about the "fall hiatus" - that seems completely unnecessary. The show has been off the air for over a year already!

Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Sybeck1 on November 15, 2011, 08:28 AM
Man I really like this show, but the last two episodes could have been compressed into one. I've read ahead on Wikipedia, and the barn was part of the graphic novel plot.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on November 21, 2011, 09:25 AM
This show is so awesome and frustrating at the same time. It's the only show I NEVER want to end...I just wish the episodes went on for hours. It's SO engrossing, but the pace really plods sometimes, and there is really no sense of how much time is passing.

I mean, how long have they been at that farm now? I assumed it was only 2-3 days but it seems much longer now. Did they really think they were going to just stay there? I think Lori was the only one laboring under that misconception.

I officially HATE Lori too, her character just sucks. How the hell are you gonna feed Rick all that crap about keeping secrets? REALLY?!?! You have no shame, none. BTW, the make-up/CGI folks are going to have a really hard time making it seem believable she is pregnant...that woman looks like a total anorexic.

Is anyone even looking for Sophia anymore? They sure seem lackadaisacal about it. Even the freaking Mom seems content to just chill out around camp. I have to think they could come up with a better way to search than going house by house and room by room too. Try standing on top of your car and shouting her name. That way, when the zombies inevitably show up, you can just jump in your ride and take off.

I kind of like what they are doing with Glenn and Andrea's characters, shading them in with a little more depth. I also liked that they actually moved the plot forward pretty substantially last night. Not only did we finally get Lori revealing the pregnancy to Rick, but she even came clean about Shane. I was expecting them to draw that out much longer, so a welcome relief.

Is it even a question of whose baby it is? Again, the timelines are way confusing on this show but it would seem like it would HAVE to be Shane's right? But Rick doesn't even think to ask this?

Loved Dale calling out Shane too...his next conversation needs to be with Rick now.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: name on November 21, 2011, 09:54 AM
Speaking of timelines....what really bothered me last night was the neighborhood that they went to.

Corpses had been in the garage long enough to rot down to skeletons, but the grass was all mowed and trimmed.

Do zombies landscape?
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt_Fury on November 21, 2011, 12:19 PM
I thought those bodies had been burned...but yeah, the lawns were a little too pristine.

Does anyone know how long the histus is?  Sucks that next week is the last show for a while.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Chris M on November 21, 2011, 01:51 PM
I want to say I read something like February. 

I didn't pay any attention to the manicured lawns. I was just ready to see some zombie slaying last night and we got a bit so I was happy.  Hopefully next week we'll see a lot of it.  Overall though, good episode last night IMO.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Phrubruh on November 26, 2011, 11:22 PM
I think I've pretty much given up on the show. I didn't know the title of show referred to the speed this show plot progresses at. I think this season acted like a zombie.  I mean we had complete episodes were people searched a house and found nothing. Too slow to stay interesting.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Tracy on November 27, 2011, 03:01 PM
I think I've pretty much given up on the show. I didn't know the title of show referred to the speed this show plot progresses at. I think this season acted like a zombie.  I mean we had complete episodes were people searched a house and found nothing. Too slow to stay interesting.

That is what makes the show so compelling - it is a character driven show - not action.  The tagline for all AMC series is "Story Matters Here".  I find that the hour passes very quickly and I am not ready for it to end yet.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Tracy on November 27, 2011, 10:05 PM
Someone should have put Shane down like the rabid dog he is turning in to. I kind of expected Darryl to shoot him.  Sucks about Sophia.  Suspecting it and seeing it are two different things.  At least February isn't too long of a wait.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Pete_Fett on November 27, 2011, 11:02 PM
It's so weird to see what they are and are not sticking true to the comic book on...
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Morgbug on November 28, 2011, 12:22 AM
It's so weird to see what they are and are not sticking true to the comic book on...

Like the Harry Potter Series I'm not spoiling this by reading anything prior to watching the show.  And like Potter, I suspect the written version may well be superior meaning for me, the best comes later. 

Still enjoying the show.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt_Fury on November 28, 2011, 03:02 AM
Wow.  I thought for sure they were going to find Sophia alive.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Chris M on November 28, 2011, 07:13 AM
I thought last night was pretty good.  I'm interested to see how Rick shooting Sophia is going to turn out.  I imagine her mom is going to be pretty pissed that he left her alone in the first place after she ran off.  I thought it was pretty sad the way she turned out and didn't think that was going to happen.

Shane went freakin' crazy and I'm stuck on if that was a good or a bad thing.  I'm wondering if Rick is about to flip and become a bit more aggressive when dealing with what he wants. 

  My wife swore to me she wasn't going to watch the show and she actually stays up with me and has watched the past couple of episodes before heading off to sleep.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on November 28, 2011, 09:55 AM
It's so weird to see what they are and are not sticking true to the comic book on...

I'm curious what you are thinking of specfically here?

I have read a lot of the comics, and most of my recollection centers around Michonne, the "Governor", Rick's hand, etc. (Oh yeah, AND SHANE GETTING KILLED!) They aren't going anywhere near that stuff it seems like. So they must be pulling inspiration from the ones I haven't read yet.

That ending last night was BRUTAL, and completely awesome. I wasn't sure where they would ultimately end up going with the Sophia arc, so it was somewhat of a shock. Really well done though, even before that point it was a pretty powerful scene. Poor Herschel looked like he was in shock.

Great point brought up on the Talking Dead later: (I hate shows that talk about other shows but this one is just too full of good information to pass up, plus they had Kirkman on last night)

Otis would have been the one who "corralled" Sophia and got her into the barn, and he never even found out she was missing befoe Shane offed him, so it would seem NOBODY knew she was in there. This is the implied backstory anyway, according to Kirkman.

The slow descent of Shane is compelling, but this is going to have a short shelf life. He can't just keep getting crazier and crazier, sooner or later he is going to get killed by his own people. Probably Lori, or maybe even the kid.

I think that final scene pretty much repudiates Shane's whole take on Rick not being tough enough to survive in a walker world. I expect we'll see a leaner, meaner Rick going forward.

Damn, I'm gonna miss this show!
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: name on November 28, 2011, 12:20 PM
It's so weird to see what they are and are not sticking true to the comic book on...

Like the Harry Potter Series I'm not spoiling this by reading anything prior to watching the show.  And like Potter, I suspect the written version may well be superior meaning for me, the best comes later. 

Still enjoying the show.

I started reading the comic a few days ago, but settled back to where you are on this.  Will let the series play out, then read.  That's how I experienced LOTR and loved it.  HP was the opposite, read first then watched movies.  I'm still on the fence about whether to read along or read after on the Game of Thrones series...so far, it's all just been HBO, but I'm really eager to read. 

On that note...thanks for the spoiler warning about the comics, McMetal.  Very nice.   ::)
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Tracy on November 28, 2011, 12:34 PM
Yes - I would appreciate spoiler warnings.  I don't want to have any inkling of what might or might not happen according to the comics.  Not cool.  Maybe someone could start a Walking Dead Comic/Spoiler Thread. 
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Pete_Fett on November 28, 2011, 01:22 PM
It's so weird to see what they are and are not sticking true to the comic book on...

I'm curious what you are thinking of specfically here?

Specifically Sophia (and less specifically Shane).

In the comics Shane never made it to Hershel's farm and Sophia is still alive at this point in the comics.

That's all, I didn't want to be specific and was intentionally vague because I didn't want to spoil the end of the Sophia story-line in case folks hadn't seen the episode last night yet...
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Tracy on November 28, 2011, 02:27 PM
A basic Walker question/behavior has bothered me since the beginning.  As vicious as the Walkers are and as ferocious as their appetites - how does one survive an attack to become one?  It seems like everyone gets eaten unless someone intervenes with a weapon.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: name on November 28, 2011, 03:41 PM
A basic Walker question/behavior has bothered me since the beginning.  As vicious as the Walkers are and as ferocious as their appetites - how does one survive an attack to become one?  It seems like everyone gets eaten unless someone intervenes with a weapon.

Watch the webisodes on the "half woman" from episode one.  You'll see that some sometimes, you can get severely eaten, but still have enough remaining to be a walker (or a crawler...or a scooter...)  I guess as long as the brain is left intact, you're coming back.  Most would, I assume, have become walker by being bitten and then escaping before being too badly dismembered.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Tracy on November 28, 2011, 04:29 PM
I guess.  I just wonder how Sophia would have escaped with just a bite or two.......
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Sybeck1 on November 28, 2011, 06:04 PM
Maybe Sophia was bitten by a crawler or something and was able to run away before she changed to full zombie. Hopefully this won't mean an Otis won't so up full body later with his bullet holes showing.


Hate to be Carl. All that is left is old ladies.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on November 28, 2011, 07:28 PM
Well, much like True Blood, the source material and show really vary pretty significantly, so I wouldn't really qualify any discussion of the comic storylines as spoilers. Shane gets killed very early on in the comic, so they have long since left that in the dust. If you're still keen on reading the comics that's cool, but those things have been around for years so it's hard to spoil something that stale to begin with. But ya, will try to be more careful in the future, sorry.

Kirkman basically said he is letting the storyline develop organically, and has not committed to any particular continuity from the comic, so I think we'll continue to see some significant divergence between the two.

SO why was Rick surprised to learn Lori was pregnant if the doctor told him back at the CDC?  ;)
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Pete_Fett on November 29, 2011, 08:28 AM
Maybe Sophia was bitten by a crawler or something and was able to run away before she changed to full zombie. Hopefully this won't mean an Otis won't so up full body later with his bullet holes showing.

I would say watch the Webisodes on the AMC website and you'll have no worries about Otis showing up with a bullet hole in his leg.

Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on November 29, 2011, 09:42 PM
I think a lot of people get away with a bite or two...  I agree with that theory.

Also, seems like a zombification is possible simply from dying too...  Darryl mentioned about the one who hung himself becoming a zombie because he didn't shoot himself in the head.

I've got tons of zombie questions that there's just no solid information for at this point...  can they starve (one can guess they can, otherwise why give them chickens?), or are they just going to wander hungry forever?

Talking Dead is great afterwards...  reminds me of a geeky english class or something where you discuss whatever BS read you were assigned. :)  It's a fun little extra.

The series just gets better and better...

I'm going to interject here real quick that all spoilers, including the comics, should be left out...  The comics aren't being followed strictly, but they are being followed and injected heavily into the show, so I think it's fair to consider the comics and other material as spoiler potential in the discussion.  It doesn't necessarilly mean they will come to fruition but it is possible.  I've never read them so I really don't want to know anything about them.

One thing I'm curious to see in the future...

The Vatos mentioned it briefly, but the other suvivors are "the worst kind".  Shane in bulk.  I'm very curious to see future "groups" that are making it through the new world.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: efranks on November 30, 2011, 02:29 AM
The guy that hung himself in the woods left a note, something that rhymed about being bit, feeling sick, world had gone to **** and killing himself.  But the guy didn't know that hanging wouldn't do him in and that he should have shot himself instead, which is what Darryl commented on.

So I don't know if just dying without being bit could lead to you coming back.  But, someone had to be sick first and turn into a zombie so that's one of the nagging questions I have.  How did it start?  It had to be like an infection that people died of and then came back and they spread it by biting people.  Because if it was one person running around biting people then it should have been easy to start killing off the original zombies.  But a flu-like disease, harder to deal with.

That's the type of thing that I wish the show would get to at some point.  It doesn't seem like anyone cares about that.

   E...
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jeff on November 30, 2011, 10:15 AM
That's the type of thing that I wish the show would get to at some point.  It doesn't seem like anyone cares about that.

They have been pretty upfront that the primary focus of the show would be surviving.  More realistic to think that a small group would be more concerned with just staying alive rather than having two cops, a wife, and a couple others trying to solve what apparently the CDC couldn't.

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I agree with the theory that everyone is screwed even without the bites.  I agree with those guessing that is what the CDC guy said - something like "everyone is already infected".  Doesn't matter if you get bit or what, the dead will rise. 

Maybe a bite induces active "zombie virus" (for lack of a better term) and that kills you, which allows the latent "virus" (or contagion or whatever) that is already in you to turn you into a zombie yourself.  Without the bite, the "zombie contagion" lays dormant until you die and then some chemical decomposition in dying activates the zombie parasite (probably in the brain) to take over your body.  A zombie bite just accelerates the process.

Like E said, those origin cases had to start somewhere and a contagion type spread makes more sense than 1-2 original zombies biting all sorts of people...

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I'm very curious to see future "groups" that are making it through the new world.

Oh man, assuming we stay close to the comic, you'll get your chance to see some of the "finest" examples out there - guys who make Shane look pretty good by comparison.  :-X
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Sybeck1 on November 30, 2011, 10:27 AM
And on that note - SPOILER SPECULATION...

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Let me borrow your formating. I havn't read the comic but have read Wikipedia. Seems any death causes zombie state. Maybe the bite just kills you, and dying cause you to be a walker. At this point to the text Shane is dead, and Rick goes back to dig him up to find out he is a zombie.




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Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Tracy on November 30, 2011, 10:52 AM
In terms of the other survivor groups that are out there:  I was just thinking about that the other day and wondering when they were going to start coming across other groups.  I was thinking about The Stand and about all the ******** that would be out and about in the world running their own little groups........
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: CHEWIE on November 30, 2011, 05:15 PM
Another group (or more) of survivors should be encountered at some point if it follows the comics (don't think that really spoils anything).

As for the series itself, I'm totally engulfed in it.  It's even more thrilling for me than 24 ever was... I love the character driven aspects of this show - even the slow parts are outstanding to me.  Who would have thought that a zombie show could be so damn appealing, even to people who don't like zombie stuff?  I know many ladies and also older folks who are drawn into this series too.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on November 30, 2011, 09:22 PM
My mother is hooked on this show so we have discussions...  We were discussing groups in particular that survive, and I was giving her examples of "********" in other similar stories...

Bikers in Dawn of the Dead.

Soldiers in 28 Days Later...  That type of stuff.

People well armed, "strong" in numbers, who are mobile, and when societal breakdowns occur, they become free-thinking/independant, and have nobody to answer to any longer, so they become the ******** of the world...  Gangs would be included in that ultimately, even though the Vatos would be doing a good thing.  They still clearly were willing to harm/hurt people they didn't know to keep doing what they wanted.

Much like Shane, they'd have a duality to them...  Shane, as bad as he is, was still doing what he felt was right...  He didn't know Otis, and Otis caused Rick's son's injuries, so he figured "F it" and used him to advance himself and who he cares about...  Much like his little fit at the barn harmed Hershel, but why would Shane care ya know?  Till of course teh zombie that comes out is someone you know, and you care about...

I'm hopeful Webisodes maybe cover some of the more detailed things the Deadophiles want to know like how it started and stuff...  I liked the webisode about the half-lady in the park, and I'd love one that focused on Sophia's bite/explanation, and one about the breakdown of society and how it all began and escalated on a national and global scale...

It makes one wonder too, are there isolated places where this isn't affecting anyone?  Like could Hawaii be spared because they lock it down or something when they see it out of control or something?  Be cool if there were these island havens.

I just love this show...  I can't bring myself to read the comics because the show keeps me so tense, I would hate "knowing" the possible future of it at this point.

And don't tease me about these horrible groups of survivors.  I really have already imagined a lot, and that just makes me even more giddy for future episodes! :)  I love this show.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Morgbug on November 30, 2011, 09:25 PM
  Like could Hawaii be spared because they lock it down or something when they see it out of control or something? 

I will research this for you in the coming weeks.   ;)
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on November 30, 2011, 09:53 PM
I expect details...  Hot Zombies in bikinis and stuff.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Morgbug on December 1, 2011, 12:05 AM
All of a sudden I feel Shaggy.  :-X
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Phrubruh on December 1, 2011, 09:24 AM
I expect details...  Hot Zombies in bikinis and stuff.

Like this:
(http://blogs.phoenixnewtimes.com/jackalope/zombie-bikini-contest-in-downtown-mesa.6908802.87feat.jpg)
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on December 1, 2011, 12:21 PM
So Hawaii isn't a safe haven, but if you're a zombie, there's at least some hotties for you?  Interesting.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: efranks on December 1, 2011, 12:25 PM
That's the type of thing that I wish the show would get to at some point.  It doesn't seem like anyone cares about that.

They have been pretty upfront that the primary focus of the show would be surviving.  More realistic to think that a small group would be more concerned with just staying alive rather than having two cops, a wife, and a couple others trying to solve what apparently the CDC couldn't.

I'm not looking for Rick and the crew to save the world, but unless I'm forgetting something, Rick just seemed to accept that when he woke up from being shot the world had gone to **** and dead people were walking around.

Me, I'd be asking why I'm shooting a crawling, half woman in the head in a park.  Rick, eh, business as usual in the new world.

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Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: GrandMoffNick on January 5, 2012, 08:12 AM
Finally got to watch the first 4 episodes of season one this week. Highly enjoying it. Now to finish the first season and wait for season 2 to be on sale for $10 at Target some day.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: JediJman on January 5, 2012, 08:55 AM
Finally got to watch the first 4 episodes of season one this week. Highly enjoying it. Now to finish the first season and wait for season 2 to be on sale for $10 at Target some day.

Did you get Season 1 for $10?  I netflixed it months ago, but would buy it if its that cheap...
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: GrandMoffNick on January 5, 2012, 08:58 AM
Finally got to watch the first 4 episodes of season one this week. Highly enjoying it. Now to finish the first season and wait for season 2 to be on sale for $10 at Target some day.

Did you get Season 1 for $10?  I netflixed it months ago, but would buy it if its that cheap...

Last week it was $10 at Target, but now it's back up to regular price $26.99. Sorry I should have posted that on JD.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: JediJman on January 5, 2012, 09:01 AM
Finally got to watch the first 4 episodes of season one this week. Highly enjoying it. Now to finish the first season and wait for season 2 to be on sale for $10 at Target some day.

Did you get Season 1 for $10?  I netflixed it months ago, but would buy it if its that cheap...

Last week it was $10 at Target, but now it's back up to regular price $26.99. Sorry I should have posted that on JD.

Drat.  Oh well, not a big loss since I've already seen it.  I'm sure it will get down to that again at some point.   ;)
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: iFett on January 5, 2012, 11:16 AM
Half caught the Walking Dead marathon on New Years Eve.  Still haven't seen the first episode and 1/2 but getting closer.  This series holds up surprisingly well with multiple viewings.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Phrubruh on January 5, 2012, 01:46 PM
Thats because the plot moves at a zombie's pace so you can see all the gory details.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: name on January 6, 2012, 12:06 PM
How strange that this comes up now...I had missed the first three episodes of season 1 and caught up on them yesterday via Netflix.  Loved them....and now I understand more of Merle's story.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: GrandMoffNick on January 6, 2012, 12:23 PM
Finished season one yesterday. Loved it. Now it sucks I have no way of watching season 2. What to do? What to do? I did squash the urge to purchase any of the toys though. So that's good.

Though the urge to stop at Half Price Books and see if they have any of the graphic novels is still there.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: efranks on January 6, 2012, 01:23 PM
AMC has been pretty good about running marathons of The Walking Dead.  You might be able to catch one sometime right before season 2 continues on February 12th.  Might even have one that day, there are only 7 episodes they have to catch up on.

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Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: JediJman on January 6, 2012, 01:25 PM
Finished season one yesterday. Loved it. Now it sucks I have no way of watching season 2. What to do? What to do? I did squash the urge to purchase any of the toys though. So that's good.

Though the urge to stop at Half Price Books and see if they have any of the graphic novels is still there.

You can find some of them on the cheap at places like Barnes and Noble.  I snagged about 2/3 of the graphic novels there, marked down to about $6-7 each.  I caught up on the whole series this way, but have switched over to individual issues as I cannot wait 6-7 months between stories. 

I'm in the same boat on S2 since we don't get the AMC Channel - wish there was some way to watch the episodes online.  Come on AMC.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: GrandMoffNick on January 6, 2012, 01:33 PM
My crappy cable provider doesn't have AMC or I'd have been watching it from day one.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Chris M on January 6, 2012, 03:14 PM
I've thought hard about picking up the graphic novels.  But I'm too engrossed in the show and don't want any spoilers at all.  I understand that the show has deviated from the novels, but there have been indications (saw this on the last Talking Dead) that some more of the novels are going to be put into the show plot.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt_Fury on January 7, 2012, 12:30 AM
Finished season one yesterday. Loved it. Now it sucks I have no way of watching season 2. What to do? What to do? I did squash the urge to purchase any of the toys though. So that's good.

Though the urge to stop at Half Price Books and see if they have any of the graphic novels is still there.

You can find some of them on the cheap at places like Barnes and Noble.  I snagged about 2/3 of the graphic novels there, marked down to about $6-7 each.  I caught up on the whole series this way, but have switched over to individual issues as I cannot wait 6-7 months between stories. 

I'm in the same boat on S2 since we don't get the AMC Channel - wish there was some way to watch the episodes online.  Come on AMC.

One of the airmen in my squadron watches the episodes online, but I'm not sure what site it is.  I'll ask him and get back to you.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: GrandMoffNick on January 12, 2012, 07:26 PM
Realized that I can get the first four episodes of season 2 on the "On Demand" part of my cable without paying for the subscription. I'm recording them as we speak. EXCELLENT!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Diddly on January 12, 2012, 08:24 PM
SIAP, but a guy on another site I frequent posted this about what was SUPPOSED to be the Season 2 opener:

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From some website:

The opener allegedly flashbacks to the early days of the zombie apocalypse. The entire episode would have tracked a squad of Army Rangers dropping into Atlanta. They get trapped in a zombie outbreak. “All they have to do is travel maybe a dozen blocks, a simple journey, but what starts as a no-brainer scenario goes from ‘the city is being secured’ to ‘holy sh*t, we’ve lost control, the world is ending,’” Darabont describes in a letter to AICN. So, yeah — Black Hawk Down with zombies.

Along the way, the soldiers encounter some familiar faces from the show. “Picture our squad arriving at a manned barricade where some civilians are being held back from leaving the city on shoot-to-kill orders to stop the spread of contagion, it’s a panicked high-intensity scene, and in this crowd of desperate people we find Andrea and Amy. The barricade gunners panic, the civilians start to get mowed down by machine-gun fire, and in this melee the girls get pulled to safety by some old guy they don’t even know. It’s Dale. He’s nobody to them, just some guy who saw the opportunity to do the right thing and reacted in the moment.”

The end of the episode concludes with the last surviving member of the squad, now infected and dying, hiding in a tank. A very familiar tank …
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt_Fury on January 13, 2012, 12:31 AM
I'm kinda glad they didn't do that.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on January 13, 2012, 09:22 AM
I think that sounds really cool actually, a good tool for introducing more backstory. Especially good for those of us who still want them to explain how everything got started. (I disagree that this is irrelevant to the story)

I didn't read the source for this, but it seems likely we will still see this episode at some point. Maybe it was already even shot and they are just working on re-ordering the episodes.

Like the Fringe Fall finale was originally supposed to be the kick-butt action packed episode airing tonight, but it got pushed back due to the World Series, so they went with something much less compelling.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Chris M on January 19, 2012, 07:02 AM
Season 3 (http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/walking-dead-season-3-episodes-expands-281909) to have 16 episodes.  I think I can get on board with this.  I know beggars can't be choosers, but I hate short seasons that so many networks seem to be doing.  I understand it's usually a financial issue, but I love me some zombie slayin'.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: GrandMoffNick on January 31, 2012, 08:30 AM
Caught up!!!!!!! Saw the Sofia thing coming, but still really liked the way it ended. Now I just need my father in law to DVR the episodes starting on the 12th and I should be good to go.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on January 31, 2012, 09:08 AM
This wait has been too long, it's pointless and irritating.

Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Qui-Gon Jim on January 31, 2012, 01:17 PM
I am watching for a S2 marathon, so if anyone catches wind of it, a head's up here would be super-appreciated!
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BillCable on January 31, 2012, 02:27 PM
I'm waiting on the Blu-rays.  I couldn't tolerate AMC's horrific HD broadcast on Verizon FiOS.

Was the second season worth watching?  I haven't followed it at after the first or second episode (deer hunting accident).  I heard complaints it was dull/nothing happened.  And I've been avoiding this thread for fear of spoilers. 

So - spoiler free - is it worth me investing a handful of Netflix rentals?
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Chris M on January 31, 2012, 02:45 PM
Bill, I've felt the story has been a bit slow, but little bits and pieces of interesting stuff seems to get thrown in each episode.  The mid-season finale  ::) was really good and was somewhat of a cliffhanger to the second half.  The second half is really supposed to push the story along IIRC.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt_Fury on January 31, 2012, 07:34 PM
I am watching for a S2 marathon, so if anyone catches wind of it, a head's up here would be super-appreciated!

The show returns February 12th.  I would expect a marathon all day.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on January 31, 2012, 10:59 PM
Bill, IMO it's the best thing on TV and the only show I never miss.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: GrandMoffNick on February 1, 2012, 10:42 AM
I agree this season has been "slower" than the first, but that doesn't make it any less fun to watch.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: JediJman on February 1, 2012, 11:18 AM
Sounds pretty similar to the comics.  I haven't seen Season 2 yet, but I have read all of the Walking Dead comics to date.  Kirkman slows the story down a bit to help build character.  Then when you least expect it, everything goes to hell and people start dying.  It isn't the constant thrill rush of most zombie movies, but I think it gets you more vested in the people.  And when the action turns back on it's more of a surprise and more exciting because you've let your guard down a little.  The storytelling approach reminds me a lot of LOST, without the flashbacks.  You get a lot of day-to-day "here's how we're surviving" for a while, then some crazy turn leaves your jaw hanging open.

By the way, there is a big letters column at the end of the comics, where people write in about both the show and the comic now.  I've tried to skip any TV spoilers, but this last issue had a lot of discussion about differences in the storyline.  Kirkman is very much treating these as two entirely different universes.  The characters are generally the same, but they may act very different in one story versus another.  Big plot points like the CDC or certain people dying/not dying are very different between the two stories.  I'm looking at you, Shane.  Anyway, for anyone afraid of reading the comics/GN's because of plot spoilers, have no fear.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Qui-Gon Jim on February 1, 2012, 03:24 PM
I am watching for a S2 marathon, so if anyone catches wind of it, a head's up here would be super-appreciated!

The show returns February 12th.  I would expect a marathon all day.
I searched my cable company's guide, including their iPad app, to no avail.  The AMC website shows a marathon immediately preceding the new episodes on 2/12  The mini-marathon starts at 1:30PM.  Season one airs the night before for those wishing to catch up on all 13 episodes.  Thanks for the advice, Matt!
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Tracy on February 3, 2012, 04:39 PM
Just got a notification on FB from AMC/Walking Dead - Season 1 Marathon on 2/11 - and Season 2 Marathon on 2/12.  Happy watching!
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: CHEWIE on February 3, 2012, 07:20 PM
Bill, IMO it's the best thing on TV and the only show I never miss.

Amen!
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on February 12, 2012, 10:03 AM
It's back tonight! Team Shane versus Team Rick? Who will you follow?!?!
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: iFett on February 12, 2012, 11:07 AM
I finally caught the first episode of season 1 this morning so i'm good.  bring it on!
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Diddly on February 12, 2012, 02:54 PM
Finally remembered to record the marathon AND the new episode tonight! :D
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Chris M on February 12, 2012, 04:17 PM
It's back tonight! Team Shane versus Team Rick? Who will you follow?!?!

Funny that you put it this way.

I think Rick is going to be pulled Shane's direction, pretty drastically.  But at the same time, I think Shane is going to mellow a bit and become a bit more compassionate...maybe not much, but some.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Morgbug on February 12, 2012, 10:17 PM
Enjoyed the episode.  As long as the writers don't do a Greedo shot first thing down the road. 
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on February 12, 2012, 11:03 PM
Good episode, felt sort of like mop-up duty until the last 10 minutes. Then BANG, Rick makes me man-crush on him again...brutal, awesome.

Everything about Lori just makes me shake my head now. It's like all the other writers work on the other characters and make them great and the one stupid, lazy, sloppy writer that always shows up late to work gets stuck writing Lori's character, and it shows.

WHAT THE HELL was she even thinking? Rick and Glenn already went to get Hershel, and they knew the chick was sick, so what exactly was the burning new information that was so urgent to pass along? To tell them to hurry up? Was that really necessary? And she doesn't even think to take the dude from the farm with her? That seems like a lot of stupid risk for pretty much no point whatsoever.

Next week looks tense!
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Hemish on February 13, 2012, 03:22 AM
What a great ep, plenty of tension and I certainly didnt expect that to happen at the end
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Chris M on February 13, 2012, 09:01 AM
Great episode last night.  I was waiting for Rick's pair to drop and I certainly think they did.  I was thinking he'd swing in Shane's direction, while at the same time, I think we also saw Shane come back towards Rick a little bit.

One person that drives me crazy is freakin' Dale.  That dude is like a middle school girl who wants to start drama.  It's like being at work when I'm watching him on TV.  I grant that he's a voice of reason, but seriously dude....
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: iFett on February 13, 2012, 10:11 AM
Great show!  Nice to see some new twists that they'll be having to deal with if/when they leave the farm.  Ya Lori's car ride decision was a bit...dumb.  Skinny as a twig she is.  Actress used to look kinda hot on Prison Break. 

Talking dead was great as well after the show.  Dave Navarro kept egging on the director dude to put in more zombies in each episode.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Tracy on February 13, 2012, 12:35 PM
I agree with Laurie's dumb**** move to go after Rick - it made no sense.  And did it even occur to anyone to check Herchel's daughter for scratches?  My first thought when they were at the barn and they pulled her mom off of her was "Check the bitch for scratches!"

I have always been team Rick.  As a woman - he is definitely the type of man I would want looking out for me and my children.  Laurie needs to be more decisive is supporting Rick and distancing herself from Shane.  I always felt like Rick had a set, unlike Shane who keeps them out and swings them around all of the time and tries to make everyone sniff them, Rick knows when to tuck them in his drawers and when to whip them out.  Rick was more of a man for putting Sophia down than Shane could ever hope to be.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Chris M on February 13, 2012, 01:33 PM
Rick was more of a man for putting Sophia down than Shane could ever hope to be.

I think this is key.  For the sake of the group, and Rick as their "leader," it was probably best that he was the one to pull the trigger on Sophia.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Sybeck1 on February 13, 2012, 03:32 PM
Trying to remember if the bar thugs were killed by head shots. If not could they come back as walkers? I am sort of the belief that the walker stratch or bite might kill you, it is death that turns one into a walker, which I think was the way it was in the graphic novel.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Diddly on February 13, 2012, 08:16 PM
The fatter one was shot three times I believe, twice in the chest and Rick did a finishing shot to the head. I only remember him shooting skinny dude once.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt_Fury on February 13, 2012, 08:33 PM
I think it's been established that only a bite from a zombie will make you turn into a zombie...as opposed to being scratched.

I do know the comicestablished that all recently dead with intact brains will become zombies.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on February 13, 2012, 11:24 PM
Great episode...  Great series...  I swear, this show keeps your heart pounding.

Loved the tension in the bar with the Phillyphucknuts.

Don't think I want anyone that fat in my group though unless we're keeping him along as bait at some point.  It's like driving a Humvee around...  It costs too much to fuel it, so leave it behind and find something more economical.  And he's got sex on his mind?  Seriously this guy wasn't getting laid before the zombie apocalypse, now that it's here he thinks he's Don Juan?  Huh?

Thank you Tracy, for the testical swinging comment.  Kind of disturbing but gave me a laugh and I'll never see Shane in one of his tantrums quite the same again.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt_Fury on February 14, 2012, 12:16 AM
Don't think I want anyone that fat in my group though unless we're keeping him along as bait at some point.

That's the only reason to keep a fat guy in your survivor group....or a low caliber pistol (so you can shoot someone in the leg to ensure you are faster than they are).
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: JediJman on February 14, 2012, 08:36 AM
And he's got sex on his mind?  Seriously this guy wasn't getting laid before the zombie apocalypse, now that it's here he thinks he's Don Juan?  Huh?

Maybe he thinks his odds are a little better than before.  After all, there isn't a lot of competition left...  ;)
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: efranks on February 14, 2012, 10:10 AM
My only bitch about Sunday's episode was Lori.  It was the Kim Bauer vs the Mountain Lion moment of the series.  Completely unnecessary.  She's one of my least favorite characters on the show on a normal day but when she makes a dumb**** move like that?  I can't even be concerned for her.

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Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Tracy on February 14, 2012, 01:03 PM
My only bitch about Sunday's episode was Lori.  It was the Kim Bauer vs the Mountain Lion moment of the series.  Completely unnecessary.  She's one of my least favorite characters on the show on a normal day but when she makes a dumb**** move like that?  I can't even be concerned for her.

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I agree with you there.  The only concern/interest I have in Lori is what position/risks will she put Rick (and therefore Carl and the rest of the group in).  The main reason Rick went in to town was because he knew he was going to need Herschel to delivery Lori's baby.  Speaking of that - why hasn't Rick gotten pissed at Shane about being with his wife?  Is he trying to keep the peace or just keeping it in his back pocket for now?
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: efranks on February 14, 2012, 01:31 PM
I thought Rick said something about Lori and Shane and kind of burried it.  Like, he understood because they thought he was dead after being left in the hospital.  Didn't he even thank Shane for taking care of Lori and Carl?

I have a feeling that's something that's going to pop back up in the future, though.  Like, just when the gang doesn't need any more drama, Shane will turn into a jealous bitch and screw someone over.

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Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Tracy on February 14, 2012, 03:55 PM
I do remember him having the conversation w/Lori about it - and how he understood.  I don't recall Rick talking to Shane about him being cool with it - Shane is still too hot-headed and hot-to-trot for Lori - and the baby.  I certainly don't think Shane is cool with any of it. I do recall Rick thanking Shane for taking care of his family - but I thought that came well before the confession of the affair - but I certainly could be wrong.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Tracy on February 14, 2012, 03:59 PM
And he's got sex on his mind?  Seriously this guy wasn't getting laid before the zombie apocalypse, now that it's here he thinks he's Don Juan?  Huh?

Maybe he thinks his odds are a little better than before.  After all, there isn't a lot of competition left...  ;)
I kinda got the impression he wasn't gonna rely on his winning personality......
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on February 14, 2012, 06:00 PM
Yeah but the guy talked like it was just so easy before the whole zombie thing too...  I mean, seriously?  If he's boinking a donut I'd believe that, but he was talking like the biggest inconvenience he's had since the whole thing started was that he isn't getting any action.  The Sopranoes is fictional, and someone needed to let that guy in on that.

Totally agree with you Eric, on Lori being one of my less than favs in the group.

Is it wrong of me that I was more worried about the waste of gas and functional vehicle (and a pistol) than I was about her and her lovechild?

I mean, she even had a map...  Why didn't she just dump a walker in the good water well before she left too and make sure she pisses away yet another precious resource.  Shoot anyone who's a good shot in the eye too, make sure you keep the group on its toes and all.  ::) 

Darryl's right.  I wouldn't help these morons either.  Hell, I might collect some of their ears.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: efranks on February 14, 2012, 11:52 PM
I'm surprised Darryl's still with them.  That cat would do so much better on his own.  I definitely think that he's a better person with them than he was with his brother, but he's still much more of a loner than any of the rest.

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Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: iFett on February 15, 2012, 09:40 AM
I saw the necklace of ears for next week's preview so perhaps he'll go off the deep end again?  I'd still like to know if/when we'll ever see his brother - and possibly the guy who got bit who they left at that tree with a gun?  I always thought we'd see him again at some point for some reason. 

Also had to re-watch the bar scene last night because I couldn't initially understand what the fat guy was saying.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Tracy on February 15, 2012, 12:21 PM
I saw the necklace of ears for next week's preview so perhaps he'll go off the deep end again?  I'd still like to know if/when we'll ever see his brother - and possibly the guy who got bit who they left at that tree with a gun?  I always thought we'd see him again at some point for some reason. 

Also had to re-watch the bar scene last night because I couldn't initially understand what the fat guy was saying.

The guy who got bit that they left by tree was Jim.  He declined to take Rick's gun.  He said that the group needed it more that he did and it would be a waste of a weapon.  I know it was his choice - but it seems like the most humane thing would to have been to put him out of his misery before he changed over.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: iFett on February 15, 2012, 12:32 PM
Opps..  Viva la Jim   :-[
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: JediJman on February 16, 2012, 11:05 AM
I saw the necklace of ears for next week's preview so perhaps he'll go off the deep end again?  I'd still like to know if/when we'll ever see his brother - and possibly the guy who got bit who they left at that tree with a gun?  I always thought we'd see him again at some point for some reason. 

Also had to re-watch the bar scene last night because I couldn't initially understand what the fat guy was saying.

The guy who got bit that they left by tree was Jim.  He declined to take Rick's gun.  He said that the group needed it more that he did and it would be a waste of a weapon.  I know it was his choice - but it seems like the most humane thing would to have been to put him out of his misery before he changed over.

This part of the TV show is actually in line with the comics as I recall.  I struggled over that one a lot.  I'm sure changing over is miserable and plenty of people in the WD world have taken their lives in advance of changing over to prevent it.  It probably would have been ethically right to just put him out of his misery. 

But that said, I think they did the right thing.  I'm not sure offing him would be the most humane thing to do.  There would be some (albeit small) hope of a "cure" among some of the living.  If you killed the guy and a week later the army swooped in with a cure, that would be hard to live with.  You also have to assume the guy had some time left.  If you knew you were going to die tomorrow, would you want someone to come kill you right now or would you want every last second of life you could take?  Even in severe pain, I think most people who are dying want to hold on to whatever time they can, especially when their fate turns so quickly.  Lastly, I think I would have no problem putting a bullet in a walking corpse that was trying it's best to eat me.  Shooting someone in the head before they have changed would be pretty tough for whoever has to do it.  Even if you don't believe in a cure, a mercy killing is still taking someone's life and tough for whoever survives to come to terms with. 
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: iFett on February 16, 2012, 11:25 AM
Another thing...How come a zombie's only goal in "afterlife" is to eat people?  You'd think at some point there would be a twist on what their hobbies would be in one of these movies/shows.  What's wrong with carrots?
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: GrandMoffNick on February 16, 2012, 11:28 AM
Another thing...How come a zombie's only goal in "afterlife" is to eat people?  You'd think at some point there would be a twist on what their hobbies would be in one of these movies/shows.  What's wrong with carrots?

There is a great scene in "Pride and Prejudice and Zombies" where they come across some zombies eating cauliflower in a garden because it looks like brains.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Tracy on February 16, 2012, 12:15 PM
I saw the necklace of ears for next week's preview so perhaps he'll go off the deep end again?  I'd still like to know if/when we'll ever see his brother - and possibly the guy who got bit who they left at that tree with a gun?  I always thought we'd see him again at some point for some reason. 

Also had to re-watch the bar scene last night because I couldn't initially understand what the fat guy was saying.

The guy who got bit that they left by tree was Jim.  He declined to take Rick's gun.  He said that the group needed it more that he did and it would be a waste of a weapon.  I know it was his choice - but it seems like the most humane thing would to have been to put him out of his misery before he changed over.

This part of the TV show is actually in line with the comics as I recall.  I struggled over that one a lot.  I'm sure changing over is miserable and plenty of people in the WD world have taken their lives in advance of changing over to prevent it.  It probably would have been ethically right to just put him out of his misery. 

But that said, I think they did the right thing.  I'm not sure offing him would be the most humane thing to do.  There would be some (albeit small) hope of a "cure" among some of the living.  If you killed the guy and a week later the army swooped in with a cure, that would be hard to live with.  You also have to assume the guy had some time left.  If you knew you were going to die tomorrow, would you want someone to come kill you right now or would you want every last second of life you could take?  Even in severe pain, I think most people who are dying want to hold on to whatever time they can, especially when their fate turns so quickly.  Lastly, I think I would have no problem putting a bullet in a walking corpse that was trying it's best to eat me.  Shooting someone in the head before they have changed would be pretty tough for whoever has to do it.  Even if you don't believe in a cure, a mercy killing is still taking someone's life and tough for whoever survives to come to terms with.

I agree with what you are saying - in normal circumstances.  I would definitely want to hold out until the last minute for hope.  I assumed that in the instance of Jim - that if the fever/virus didn't kill him first - that a group of walkers probably did.   Either way - his demise was pretty grim.  But yeah - I get what you are saying about somebody having to shoot him.  They did have a discussion about it when Daryl tried to kill him.  They agreed that they don't kill the living.  I just think I would have asked someone to do it for me in that circumstance.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Sybeck1 on February 16, 2012, 01:41 PM
As a group they need to be concerned about ammo. Rick's bag could only hold so much. Which is why I would be wanting to at least scout Ft Benning, in hopes to get some automatic weapons. They have wasted so much this past week on so called firearm training. Maybe Rick's bag is magic like Jack Bauer's and it will never run dry of bullets.

About this weeks standoff coming Sunday. I assume they have 2 shotguns and 2 pistols. Hopefully the thugs have extra rounds. Herscel being a old southern country vet has probably at least shot game before, but he has been drinking. And who knows, fat guy might wake up hungry in the middle of a fire fight.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: iFett on February 16, 2012, 02:06 PM
Season 2 special box set..   8)

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Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Phrubruh on February 16, 2012, 03:03 PM
Can we get just the head for Halloween? I could have a use for that.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on February 16, 2012, 04:38 PM
I have a use for that every day of the week.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on February 16, 2012, 07:52 PM
The boxset looks cool but I want a new wave of figures!
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on February 20, 2012, 02:23 PM
Good to see Zombies make their return to this show. I liked the first half of the episode which seemed more adrenalin-packed.

I have to sympathize with Shane's remark about having to sit back and just watch things go to hell...that's pretty much where I am coming out at this point in the season. You can just see things are going to end badly for everyone.

There is just too much drama with that bunch now, they need to hurry up and split into two camps like we all know is coming and just get it over with. I guess something is going to have to happen to Lori's baby first though since Shane apparently isn't going to let that go.

I don't get Rick bringing the kid back either...I thought he had seen the light after The Barn. OF COURSE that is going to come back to bite you in the ass. They should have left that kid as walker bait, he almost got them all killed.

I'm already getting tired of the Glenn/Maggie thing too...it's like they invent a new reason every week to squabble about something.

I worry Dale has outlived his usefulness on the show...I really like him but he's become kind of a one-note character this season. Everyone else seems to be growing and he just seems kind of stuck.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Tracy on February 20, 2012, 03:17 PM
I worry Dale has outlived his usefulness on the show...I really like him but he's become kind of a one-note character this season. Everyone else seems to be growing and he just seems kind of stuck.

This is merely speculation on my part - but I wonder if Dale is going to be forced into a situation where he is going to have to act?  I think that would be a very interesting character arc for him - to sit back an be the moral voice of reason (and lately the Town Crier) when it comes to Shane - and to finally act with force/violence.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on February 21, 2012, 01:45 AM
Just watched it...  This show gets better every week. 

I'm curious how big the crew of people from Philly ultimately is.

I knew the group should've picked up that .50 and some more of that military hardware outside the CDC.  They had a little time.  Friggin' load up people!
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: efranks on February 21, 2012, 01:42 PM
I guess Sunday's episode answered that question about whether or not Rick has spoken to Shane about Lori.  Apparently not.

Also, the outcome of Lori's situation was, ultimately, boring as hell.  That whole situation was so obnoxious and uncalled for that it pisses me off at this point.  We really gained nothing from that and it was only a waste of time when they could have spent more on Rick and the Philly crew, where there was some real drama to be had.

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Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Sybeck1 on February 21, 2012, 01:52 PM
Stupid Lori, why leave the car in the dark. Stay with it until morning. Anyway it seems she gave Rick the OK to kill Shane. 4 more episodes left and I don't see them leaving the farm this season.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Qui-Gon Jim on February 24, 2012, 01:09 PM
All caught up, and I have to say, this show gets better every week. 

That said, I can't say I really like any of the female characters in the show.  Lori is sort of like the anti-Kate Austin, dumb decisions, lots of crying.  Ugh.  Maggie is most interesting of them, but even that whole thing is sort of exhausting.  Lots of good observations here, and I can't wait for the new episode!
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Tracy on February 24, 2012, 09:27 PM
All caught up, and I have to say, this show gets better every week. 

That said, I can't say I really like any of the female characters in the show. 

I have to agree - though I am starting to like Carol more and more.  She is coming into her own and like the interactions between her and Darrell.  I just hope they don't turn it into a sappy storyline - I like the subtle way they play off of each other and are finding their self-worth together.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: JediJman on February 25, 2012, 11:01 AM
If you follow the comics, you know not to get too attached to any of the core characters.  Just fair warning...
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt_Fury on February 27, 2012, 12:14 AM
Another good episode tonight.  I also watched the Mass Effect 3 commercial 3 times.   :D
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on February 27, 2012, 09:16 AM
Yeah, solid, if forgettable. It felt pretty satisying until they showed the scenes from next week where Shane is right back to his old tricks. So really, they just wasted a whole hour and accomplished nothing.

Where were Herschel, Glenn, Jimmy, etc?

It was funny to hear Lori and Andrea get after each other, because they were both sort of right and wrong at the same time. I still do not understand why Andrea is even sticking around anymore. She doesn't like any of them, doesn't need them, and finally seems to understand she is not going to win Shane away from Lori. What's keeping her there? Everyone pretty much hates her now, and rightfully so.

The dopey kid storyline has already gone on too long, they should have killed him last episode and been done with it. I worry the longer they keep him alive the more likely it is we are going to see those other low-lifes back again and I really want them to drop that crap and get the hell off the farm again.

What was the significance of the lone walker in the field Shane kept staring at out the window? Obtuse symbolism like this gets lost on me.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: iFett on February 27, 2012, 09:38 AM
What was the significance of the lone walker in the field Shane kept staring at out the window? Obtuse symbolism like this gets lost on me.

I was wondering the same, but they touched on that a tad during the after show.  Guess it was just meant to be a "majestic" scene and something for Shane to reflect on what just took place.  The guy is a makeup artist and also "played" the first walker that came out of the building that Rick shot first with the nice mouth.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Diddly on February 27, 2012, 07:21 PM
I thought Shane and Rick finally going at it was pretty cool, as was Rick having a change of heart and rescuing Shane. The stuff with the zombie cops was awesome. And the last shot of the zombie alone in the colorful field? Eerily awesome.

Too bad all those boring females didn't go through with the suicide pact though. Seriously, why are they the worst characters on the show?
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: GrandMoffNick on February 28, 2012, 08:30 AM
I want to know what is up with the "these cop zombies don't have bites stuff".
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on February 28, 2012, 08:47 AM
I want to know what is up with the "these cop zombies don't have bites stuff".

Yeah, good point, I think that may be significant too. Scratches? Seems like a stretch.

Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on February 28, 2012, 09:33 PM
I want to know what is up with the "these cop zombies don't have bites stuff".

I think it's setting up the idea that the illness moves around other ways, possibly that some are just immune to it and others weren't, and being bitten is only one way to get it.  I was thinking the coma girl was tied into this, and she got "scratched" or some zombie spittle in her eye or whatever, but I guess not.

Just watched this week's episode while I had a little down time and was working on some junk...  Yay.  Good times.  Zombie-rific.

By the way, here's some other things Rick needs to start emphasizing to the group, since he decided to lecture Shane on the knives to the head...

-Reinforce some of those cars.  Make them weapons.  Welding isn't terribly hard, but you can also do some riveted reinforcement to the front of those pieces of **** you're driving and make mobile weapons. 

-Make some combustable **** already!  Zombies hate fire.  Even Dale would know this and he's worthless.

-Reinforce the farm with some outer defenses...  Tire spikes on the road in, etc.  Something... Anything.  Board up the first floor some at least.  These people are lazy when they've got nothing but time.

-Make some friggin' shields already.  Shields were every bit a weapon in the middle-ages, but it doesn't really take a history professor in the group to bring this to their attention.  Tear down some stop signs, get a drill, some rivets, and some leather.  Instant light, but highly destructive close-quarters defensive/offensive weapon.

-Likewise...  knives are nice, but machetes and swords are better for hack/slash.

-Find some more bows...  It's Georgia.  Besides finding racecars, Hooch, and the zombie of Roscoe P. Coaltrain, I'd imagine finding some bow hunting **** would be easy.  Compound bows aren't simple to use without practice but at least you can practice with them without wasting ammo.  Crossbows are much simpler to use by everyone though and again, it's friggin' Georgia.  There's gotta be stores everywhere with bows and other gear in them.

-Going back to the shields...  make some armor.  Somethign as simple as taking a heat gun and curling a "forearm guard" out of a for sale sign would go a long way in helping you survive a close encounter.

I'd have already killed and eaten this group, even if I wasn't a zombie.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: efranks on February 29, 2012, 11:03 AM
I will never understand the lack of focus by groups caught in this type of scenario in films and TV.  Out of all the people in the group, I would have thought Daryl would be the one to pick up on some of the things like you suggest, Jesse, but either he doesn't see the need or thinks nobody would listen to him anyway.

The first thing I'd be doing in the Zombie Apocalypse would be to get water, food, ammo, vehicle...in that order.  Then it would be fortifying my defenses (building or vehicle or both), finding more ammo and weapons, more food and water...in that order.

Knowing that a bite will infect you, my next move would be creating a "battle suit" that would be hard to bite through.  And then I'd head as far north as I could get.  Because my thought is that if the walkers are dead and they can't generate their own heat, wouldn't they freeze in the winter, possibly to the point that the brain would freeze solid and kill the walkers?  I'm thinking some nice beach front property in Ontario, along Hudson Bay.

   E...
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: GrandMoffNick on February 29, 2012, 11:35 AM
Hopefully season 3 will be them in Canada with no zombies, just living life. I bet the people that hate that they've been on the farm this whole season would love that.

Rick had the cold weather thought at the end of this last episode.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: CloneF13Y35 on February 29, 2012, 12:39 PM
I kove this show and those great 'real world' ideas. Body armour of some kind is a must to ward off errant scratches and bites. Sword, shield, daggers, ninja throwing stars, as long as it'll puncture the brain, it'll do lol.
couple questions I have are: how to the walkers just seem to be stuck in some building somewhere, like the school but as soon as they broke the glass window they poured out. I reckon they can't really 'think' and are basically existing on minimal animalistc brain functions. They can't really get tired since they don't breath so no cardio vascular stamina needed (didn't they speculate about that in the beginning of season2 when a couple walkers come into their little camp?); likewise, I wonder if their bodies would respond to the cold, they don't seem affected by the heat and humidity found in ATL in the summer.
oh well, fun show with lots to speculate about and enjoy!
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on February 29, 2012, 01:51 PM
I was thinking that, with the two security guys roaming about,t hat that was some kind of early Zombie treatment/holding area.  It was chained shut and the only two wandering around were either cops or security guards, and there was a pile of them burned too.  Makes me think maybe that fenced in yard, whatever it was, was like a place the sick were being taken and locked in when everything was breaking apart.

The group needs to be more proactive is my biggest gripe.  The farm's great, but get off your lazy ass and get a driver and start fortifying the first floor of the building already.  Lazy *******.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on February 29, 2012, 03:59 PM
I don't think Hershel would like folks boarding up his house.  There's all that tip-toeing around the fact the main group are guests and the family there still isn't up to speed on just how bad things really are.

They need walkie-talkies, too.

 I think getting some armored bulldozers would be a could zombie clearing method, especially if you had a deep pit dug to just push them into...maybe set it on fire when it was getting full.

Heading north would mean a lot of time spent getting firewood and supplies for a long winter. And other survivors will see your smoke.

The living guys Rick shot were lazy. Instead of focusing on looting and finding a place to hold up/fortify, they threaten armed guys over something they think they have. 



Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Diddly on February 29, 2012, 07:24 PM
Don't know if anyone saw this: http://www.shocktillyoudrop.com/news/165873-the-walking-dead-season-3-has-found-its-governor (http://www.shocktillyoudrop.com/news/165873-the-walking-dead-season-3-has-found-its-governor)
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: JediJman on February 29, 2012, 10:59 PM
I will never understand the lack of focus by groups caught in this type of scenario in films and TV.

Because...if there was a zombie movie where everyone was level-headed, found the resources they needed, and had battle suits to protect from infection, well, that would be a really boring show.   ;)

I am with you on the protective gear though.  I've always thought this about Zombie shows and even Vampires. Just throw 3-4 layers of thick clothes on EVERYWHERE and you should be pretty safe outside of getting suffocated by a pile of them.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on February 29, 2012, 11:14 PM
Find some football and hockey equipment...  You're a zombie killing machine.  Hell, a hockey stick alone could do a good deal of damage and at a little bit of range too (especially as zombies "soften up" a little with decay).

Hershel not letting them is something I considered, but at the same time Hershel hasn't ever been asked about it either, or so I assume...  At least now fortify the barn ya know?

I like the pit idea...  If you had someone on team with experience in heavy equipment, and access to said equipment (which should be found easily enough since I doubt most would take that as their mode of transport to flee the chaos), that's really a sound idea.  You just have to find it, which most towns have some somewhere, and you just have to get it to the farm.

Hell, a moat around the house even?  Why not?  Just be cautious about gas lines and such.  That'd be a hell of a help.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Sybeck1 on February 29, 2012, 11:29 PM
I would get a back hoe and dig a trench around the house. Walkers will just walk right into it.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: JediJman on March 1, 2012, 12:13 AM
I would get a back hoe and dig a trench around the house. Walkers will just walk right into it.

Wouldn't they claw their way up?  Or eventually you get so many of them that they can crawl across each other?  And who wants to live with walkers in a trench right outside your window?  I have the same problem with a moat.  Would water stop someone who doesn't need to breathe?  What they need is a really big fence/wall supported with vehicles or something.  Even there I think you need some patrols or a watch tower or something.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on March 1, 2012, 01:45 AM
Moats don't have to be water filled...  They just have to be pits capable of stopping/collecting an attacking enemy so they're easier to kill.  I'd not let zombies live in my moat, I'd be setting them on fire asap.

Or using a spike on the end of a pole to just poke 'em in the head one at a time.

If the pit's big enough getting out would be almost impossible for even a competent human much less a zombie.  They seem to not really go for climbing chain link fencing either...  If you can put a perimeter of that around the house, more the better. 

The problem with the moat/trench is it'll require maintenance.  Trenches collapse if you don't shore them up, erosion and things would hurt them over time, but it just means you maintain it ultimately.

Wouldn't hurt putting some zombie debilitating boobie traps around too...  Simple traps that incapacitate them, or at least limit their mobility (thigns that go for the legs in particular). 

Also though, back to the moat with water, actually teh zombies do need to breathe for some reason.  The one at the CDC showed that its respiratory system kicked back in...  it just seems to work despite massive trauma so I don't know if water would impact them or not.  They're not afraid of water, at least to a degree (flashing back to them attacking Darryl), but I know in Romero's zombie world they supposedly were afraid of water at one point then decided to walk right through it...  I dunno.  But water would actually be more of a problem than something I wanted in my moat.  I'd want my moat more as a collection zone for just an easy way to kill them efficiently and with relative safety.

Walls are great too.  Fortifications...  but a collection point solves multiple problems.  It's defensive protection for the house plus it's also a trap for ease/safety in dealing with the problem.  Plus the house could be your ultimate fortification, assuming you get that lazy assed group of people in gear and actually fortify its lowest levels.  Add in (assuming you have an unmolested Lowes nearby) a chainlink fence on the house side of the moat...  Wow.  You'd have some pretty solid safety.

If you have the means and people, and outer wall around the moat would be even better/more helpful.

Fortifications throughout history have ALWAYS been about layering, high ground/sight advantage, and efficiency in defense/killing.

It's funny how the zombies really would make you want to take a medeival approach to just about every aspect of offense/defense...  The living are the ones that would make you have to rethink that though.  Especially if any of them have accumulated military hardware.  :-\
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: JediJman on March 1, 2012, 07:50 AM
Also though, back to the moat with water, actually teh zombies do need to breathe for some reason.  The one at the CDC showed that its respiratory system kicked back in...  it just seems to work despite massive trauma so I don't know if water would impact them or not.  They're not afraid of water, at least to a degree (flashing back to them attacking Darryl), but I know in Romero's zombie world they supposedly were afraid of water at one point then decided to walk right through it...  I dunno.  But water would actually be more of a problem than something I wanted in my moat.  I'd want my moat more as a collection zone for just an easy way to kill them efficiently and with relative safety.

Not so sure about that.  If they need a respiratory system, then you wouldn't need to take off their head.  A shot in the lungs or heart should take them out.  Didn't the bicycle zombie in the first episode basically just have a head and arms?  I can't imagine the respiratory system was still working there.  I haven't seen all the Romero movies, but I know in Dawn of the Dead they're still functional under the water.  The survivors think staking out an island will work (talk about a big moat), but that doesn't go so well.

You bring up a good point about what they should really be afraid of though.  I'm not sure that the zombies pose the biggest threat to these guys...I'd be a lot more afraid of other groups of survivors.  They're mostly relying on finite resources - not everyone in the Apocalypse is going to play nice and share.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: name on March 1, 2012, 08:51 AM

couple questions I have are: how to the walkers just seem to be stuck in some building somewhere, like the school but as soon as they broke the glass window they poured out. I reckon they can't really 'think' and are basically existing on minimal animalistc brain functions. They can't really get tired since they don't breath so no cardio vascular stamina needed (didn't they speculate about that in the beginning of season2 when a couple walkers come into their little camp?); likewise, I wonder if their bodies would respond to the cold, they don't seem affected by the heat and humidity found in ATL in the summer.
oh well, fun show with lots to speculate about and enjoy!

The walkers seem to go almost dormant in the absence of a living stimulus.  When given the prospect of something to munch on, they do attempt to break glass (department store in season 1).  Without stimulus, they shuffle about in circles.

Regardless, i loved the scene of Shane breaking the window and zombies pouring out like a big undead pinata.  Especially good when you contrast it to Shane breaking open the barn and zombies pouring out like a big undead pinata.  What a difference a little preparation for what's coming makes.

Regarding heat and cold - Summer heat would affect respiratory system and body/brain temperature but I don't think that matters to walkers.  The humidity should just serve to accellerate decomposition.  I wonder what the walker situation is in southern Louisiana?  They should all just be skeletal remains by now.

Cold, though, should cause tissue - even undead tissue - to freeze solid.  Especially when that tissue has no metabolic process generating heat.

On the other hand, this seemed to have no effect in the movie Dead Snow.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: name on March 1, 2012, 08:52 AM


They need walkie-talkies, too.


They've got walkie-talkies (first few episodes).  They don't seem to have the means to recharge them.  Although a generator shouldn't be too hard to find...
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on March 1, 2012, 09:37 AM
Don't know if anyone saw this: http://www.shocktillyoudrop.com/news/165873-the-walking-dead-season-3-has-found-its-governor (http://www.shocktillyoudrop.com/news/165873-the-walking-dead-season-3-has-found-its-governor)

YYYEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!

This is the best news that has come out since Darabont got the boot...this arc will finally get the show back on track! The sooner they get away from the Kingdom of Boredom (AKA: The Farm) the better - if I have to listen to any more of these women talk about their feelings I am going to throw up.

AND, best of all - you can't cast the GOVERNOR without MICHONNE!  ;D
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: iFett on March 1, 2012, 10:09 AM
They've got walkie-talkies (first few episodes).  They don't seem to have the means to recharge them.  Although a generator shouldn't be too hard to find...

Isn't the farm running off a generator?
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: name on March 1, 2012, 12:36 PM
maybe?  I don't remember.  Last week when one of the ladies opened the fridge I wondered if that was the case, or if they were just using the refrigerator as an insulated place to keep things cool but not cold. 
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Chris M on March 1, 2012, 02:36 PM
I think I remember lamps being on, so that would lend itself to operating on a generator.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on March 1, 2012, 02:37 PM
I'm pretty sure I recall Hershel mentioning a generator.  Not sure if it's running all the time or used sparingly.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: name on March 2, 2012, 11:34 AM
Now that I think about it, when Hershel confronted Rick about the horse that was taken without permission, wasn't Hershel gassing up a generator?
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: P-Siddy on March 2, 2012, 12:36 PM
I guess AMC marketing for the Season 2 DVD ad goofed and spoiled something.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on March 2, 2012, 01:56 PM
I believe he was Name.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Sybeck1 on March 2, 2012, 01:58 PM
I guess AMC marketing for the Season 2 DVD ad goofed and spoiled something.

yeah I saw that. Also something might happen Sunday night. Look at the Wikapedia entry for this Sunday's episode if you are interested in finding out.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Morgbug on March 4, 2012, 02:33 PM
Find some football and hockey equipment...   Hell, a hockey stick alone could do a good deal of damage and at a little bit of range too (especially as zombies "soften up" a little with decay).


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Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on March 4, 2012, 10:27 PM
Damn, harsh ending there. Kinda saw the writing on the wall though.

Apparently Carl got all Lori's stupid genes?

Why do I get the feeling I saw this exact same situation play out when the castaways captured Benjamin Linus while trying to protect themselves from The Others?

Yeah, that worked out well.

Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Ghost of QG on March 4, 2012, 11:04 PM
I get the feeling things are gonna go to hell real quick these last 2 episodes...
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Sybeck1 on March 4, 2012, 11:36 PM
Wikapedia was right in picking out the results of this weeks episode
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt_Fury on March 4, 2012, 11:49 PM
Did anyone kill the Zombie Cow?
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Ghost of QG on March 4, 2012, 11:57 PM
Is Carl the new Jar Jar Binks of TWD Universe? That kid is irritating me to no end...
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Morgbug on March 5, 2012, 12:07 AM
Is Carl the new Jar Jar Binks of TWD Universe? That kid is irritating me to no end...

+1
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: efranks on March 5, 2012, 02:15 AM
Apparently Carl got all Lori's stupid genes?

And picked up Shane's ****'em all, kill or be killed attitude.

This episode points out all the reasons that I basically hate most people.  They will never fail to do something stupid at the expense of someone else. 

Like I said before, I'm still shocked Daryl hasn't gone off on his own.  Even though he almost died while out on his own, he fought all the way back to almost have Andrea kill him...  I'm him, I'd pack a bag and take off on the motorcycle.  Head down to the Florida Keys, get a truck, stockpile some supplies and go cut myself off on an island with nothing but a boat and a fishing pole.

   E...
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: CloneF13Y35 on March 5, 2012, 08:16 AM
Is Carl the new Jar Jar Binks of TWD Universe? That kid is irritating me to no end...

+1

I know seriously; I was like dam kid, first being a little punkazz talking smack to carol about her daughter, then going out into the woods to find a walker stuck in the mud. So like a typical punk kid who thinks nothing will happen to him, he throws rocks, sticks etc at the walker. Then has to go down CLOSER to it and poke it with a stick. I thought the 'oh sh!t' look on his face was priceless payback when the walker got one foot free and lunged at him.  Carl's just a 'little jimmy' if there ever was one ;)
Dale while trying to be a voice of 'civiliazed reason' in a world of chaos, was getting to be a broken record. But still, wasn't expecting him to be the one to die until the end when he was walking alone in the foggy night.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on March 5, 2012, 03:19 PM
Yep, Carl sucks, and the kid is really not even a good actor. His scenes are always painful to endure. After everything that has happened, you'd think they would, you know, try to keep an eye on him? And yet THREE separate times in the episode he sneaks off on his own and screws something up.

And I'm sure Darryl will love that he lost his gun too.

I don't think the bloodshed is over for the group this season.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Hemish on March 6, 2012, 05:53 AM
How did the zombie get over there?
I thought it was stuck in the mud trying to cross the river
Wasnt that something that was established early on?
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Chris M on March 6, 2012, 06:47 AM
I think Herschel said in the preview for next the creek was drying up. 
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on March 6, 2012, 04:47 PM
Good episode...  That was kinda sad, but at the same time it was like putting someone out of their misery.  He wasn't cut out for the new world.  Being a moral person doesn't mean you have to put you and your group at risk.  Randall's full-on creepy, and should've been killed. 

Hell, let Carl do it, he needs practice...  bad.

BTW again, and I hate to be a hardass, but wasting a bullet on the execution?  Why?  More humane?  You're eliminating a threat...  Darryl and Shane needed to handle that with Rick minding where his son is at.  Also someone needs to set a "travel in pairs" rule.  I mean, there's some seriously common sense stuff not happening and it's frustrating.

Good episode.  Love the show, and I still say this is the best thing on TV today, and the best thing I've seen in ages.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: iFett on March 6, 2012, 07:22 PM
I'm just glad Rick is back in "leader status".  Wow though...Both his wife and his son are dumbshits.  Can maybe understand the boy- being bored and all, but ya...no.  Wasn't expecting Dale to go to heaven or wherever he went, but was sick of his BS highschool chatter with everyone behind their backs all the time.  CyA!  Looks like Randall does a good job on Shane's face next Sunday...  Dude was iffy from the start and ya....I like this show   :)  Shame it's going back on vacation again soon.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on March 6, 2012, 07:43 PM
Looks like Randall does a good job on Shane's face next Sunday...  Dude was iffy from the start

I caught that too, but it smells like BS. Randall is half starved, and mostly beaten to a pulp, and he's gonna lay out Travis Bickel on steroids? I don't see it.

I think Shane lets him escape for some reason. Maybe to force the group's hand, I don't know.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Sybeck1 on March 6, 2012, 09:18 PM
The actor who played Dale was having problems with the production team according to the episode Wikapedia post. I thought it was going to be Shane who offed him. Carl must be mentally retarded to leave the walker unoccupied. Too stupid of a plot to have him just leave it in the woods when his future girlfreind was bitten by one.

There are 30 men armed with automatic weapons out there. Good to see in the preview they are preparing for a fight.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: CloneF13Y35 on March 7, 2012, 08:59 AM
Yeah to us - the viewers, carl just leaving the walker out there is plain stupid but that's part of his story arc, I guess. Eventhough Dale was getting to be a broken record as 'the voice of reason', the world as they know has changed and they have to change with it and try to make the best of it.
I mean, in 'reality of star wars', people got upset when they killed chewie off in the first book of the NJO, but Han probably shouldn't have survived being frozen in carbonite or at lest jabba should have kept him under better guard. Or Lando shouldn't have made it out of the death star2 at the end.
Oh well, it's fun and games...
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Tracy on March 7, 2012, 02:11 PM
I LOVE this show - I think AMC is shaping up to be a worldclass network - The Killing and Made Men are swell too.  Thought the fact that Darrell stepped up to put Dale out of his misery made a powerful statement that he was back in with the group.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Tracy on March 7, 2012, 02:13 PM
Is Carl the new Jar Jar Binks of TWD Universe? That kid is irritating me to no end...

+1

Yeah - I am starting to think that Lori started screwing around on Rick long before the Walkers popped up - that kid has Shane's numbnut's brains............
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Chris M on March 7, 2012, 03:23 PM
Thought the fact that Darrell stepped up to put Dale out of his misery made a powerful statement that he was back in with the group.

Agreed.  I also wonder if Darrell knows that Rick has a "problem" killing when he's not directly threatened.  Consider it the cop in him.  I wonder if Darrell was telling Rick in a roundabout way that he was okay with taking on the burden of putting Dale out of his misery.  I don't recall Darrell being particularly angry with Rick for not popping Randal when his son showed up.  Maybe he wants Rick to be a good example of a dad because he didn't have one.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on March 7, 2012, 03:43 PM
Darrel's brief shot sharpening his knife near Randal though, was intended to show Darrel was gonna do it while everyone was away too.  And quietly.  He's a really interesting character...  maybe the most interesting one in the group ultimately.

And I still wonder where that black guy and his kid are.

And T-Dawg's ass is grass.  They're doing nothing with him.  He cannot be long for that world.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on March 8, 2012, 08:55 AM
And T-Dawg's ass is grass.  They're doing nothing with him.  He cannot be long for that world.

I suspect he may have more of a role next season based on where it appears the series is heading.  ;)
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: GrandMoffNick on March 9, 2012, 01:01 PM
I won't say much in case this still happens at a different time in the show, but I just finished reading the first volume, sorry I don't know my comic terms well, Graphic Novel (the first bunch of comics together in one book) and holy crap that was different. I can't even imagine what would be happening in the show if they hadn't done it differently.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Sybeck1 on March 10, 2012, 09:00 AM
Major possible spoiler about tommorrow night, but it might be a simple guess.

Watch if spoilers don't matter to you:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HnWm7PtYW44
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Tracy on March 11, 2012, 10:25 PM
Holy ****balls!!  Shane was like a rabid dog and it sucked that he put Rick in that position.  Goes to show you that the writers aren't afraid to kill off anyone.  Where in the world did all of those walkers come from.  Good thing they finally started reinforcing the farmhouse and planning for the future - it just might be too little too late. 
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on March 11, 2012, 10:51 PM
EPIC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I thought the idea to spring Randall was just a set-up to kill him, did not think we could get to the other place so soon.

The whole episode was really well done, from the opening scene to the very last one. I am definitely watching the re-run in HD tonight.

Loved that Darryl was not buying the half-assed getaway story.
Loved Andrea deadpanning to Rick "Maybe you should stop leaving". (she's right!)
Loved Glenn getting his walker killing mojo back.
I even liked Carl manning up and getting a little redemption at the end there.

Lori continues to be a real piece of work though. Mixed signals much? I'm sure that little chat is what sent Shane over the edge, thinking he could have back everything he wanted again. Real cute lady.

Definitely something going on with the dead changing into insta-walkers. So maybe they're all already infected and the virus just presents after death as was speculated previously?

Really psyched for next week, but already feeling bummed we are looking at another long hiatus after that.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Ghost of QG on March 11, 2012, 11:30 PM
Someone should put a leash or shock collar on Carl. He's all over the place. Hope Lori watches her second child better than the first. Other than that I can't wait for the finale next week.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Greg on March 11, 2012, 11:37 PM
Great episode all around! I thought the ending was a bit predictable even if you had not read any spoilers on the web, but I don't think there is anything wrong with that approach. I think a mix of predictability(tonight) and surprises (last week's ep., which caught me off guard) is perfect.

Definitely something going on with the dead changing into insta-walkers. So maybe they're all already infected and the virus just presents after death as was speculated previously?

In season 1, Dr. Jenner mentioned that the transformation can take minutes or hours. (maybe days too? it has been awhile since I watched that ep.) That one guy tonight clearly took only a few minutes to turn, while that other character seemed to have been dead for a bit longer. I think the infection/virus thing will be addressed more next week, especially since more characters (Daryl and Glenn) got to see what was going on.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt_Fury on March 12, 2012, 12:04 AM
Seriously, who is keeping a damn eye on Carl?

They've done a prety good job this season setting up the fact that the farm is not the sanctuary they think it is.  The shot where they are talking and you can just see the zombies at the edge of the shadows is just amazing!
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: CloneF13Y35 on March 12, 2012, 08:24 AM
Eventhough I had read the spoilers about this episode, it was still riveting to watch how it played out. Like many others, I wondered how Shane could 'go zombie' so quickly so I am putting credit into the whole 'everyone is infected' supposition theory. And I don't recall if Glen or Darryl recongnized the walker as Randall? I was also glad to see Glen get his kill on after being so wishy washy lately; he even shied away from Maggie when she said he could put his stuff in her room. He was like 'with your daddy in the house?'; dude, he gave you his blessing by giving you the watch so it's ok to hook with her now. But with the zombie fest about to come crashing down on old McHershal's farm, they need to survive first.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Tracy on March 12, 2012, 08:51 AM
Re:  Carl - someone else is probably going to get themselves killed because of his stupidity.  After re-watching last night's episode - it seems like Shane's plan was pretty scattered at first.  I think he led Rick out there to goad him into killing him.  That was his true end-game:  suicide.  But he needed Rick to do it and carry it with him for the rest of his life.  Shane blames Rick for everything that is wrong with his life and everything that goes wrong with the group.  It was the ultimate mind-f*ck revenge.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on March 12, 2012, 09:12 AM
Re:  Carl - someone else is probably going to get themselves killed because of his stupidity.

Somone already has - Dale!

After re-watching last night's episode - it seems like Shane's plan was pretty scattered at first.  I think he led Rick out there to goad him into killing him.  That was his true end-game:  suicide.  But he needed Rick to do it and carry it with him for the rest of his life.

The guy in Talking Dead alluded to this too, but I don't think that's what was going on in that scene. I don't think Shane actually wanted or expected Rick to shoot him. I think he was trying to prove his point very vividly - that Rick was not able to protect his family or lead thr group because he was scared to make the hard choices. He's basically taunting Rick - 'hey, I'm a threat to you, your loved ones, and everyone else in our group, I brought you out here to kill you, and you're STILL not willing to fight to protect what's yours?'

It's as if Shane was almost trying to convince himself that Rick was not worthy. Even as far as he had gone to that point, he still needed to cement his resolve. And I think he would have done it too, if Rick had not gone all K-Bar on him. (That was beautiful)

I'm certain Glenn and Dale recognized Randall was the walker. It took me two viewings to be sure myself.

Yeah, that last scene in the field with the encroaching walkers looked amazing on HD widescreen.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Qui-Gon Jim on March 12, 2012, 10:00 AM
Goes to show you that the writers aren't afraid to kill off anyone.

Damn right.  I was shocked last week, and again this week.  The best part is that as much of a douche as Shane has been, he was dead on 100% right when he was telling Rick that Carl needs his daddy more than the group needs Rick to lead for the moment.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Tracy on March 12, 2012, 11:05 AM
The best part is that as much of a douche as Shane has been, he was dead on 100% right when he was telling Rick that Carl needs his daddy more than the group needs Rick to lead for the moment.
+1!  I could not agree with you (or Shane - as much as it chaps my ass to admit it) more!  That was the one true moment of clarity that Shane had in a long time - when it seems like he wasn't trying to manipulate Rick - just being real for once.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Sybeck1 on March 12, 2012, 11:06 AM
Looking ahead to next week, it will be really surprising if they will have a bullet left after what is coming. And sadly, I look for Herschel to buy the farm protecting his.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: name on March 12, 2012, 02:26 PM


The whole episode was really well done, from the opening scene to the very last one. I am definitely watching the re-run in HD tonight.

So I'm not the only one who gets AMC in standard def only, until it loads to On Demand..then it's in  HD? 
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: efranks on March 12, 2012, 04:08 PM
Not only do I not have AMC in hi def, I don't even have a hi def TV.

Something that I thought about while talking with a buddy, on the topic of Carl, is that he's not really doing anything that kids his age wouldn't do.  Except that most kids aren't living in the zombie apocalypse.  And didn't just watch their father put a bullet in the head of the only age appropriate dateable girl left...possibly in the world.

Throwing rocks at an "animal," stealing dad's gun, wandering around in the woods, randomly shooting stuff?  I'm guilty of most of that (except stealing dad's gun, I had my own).  Still, hasn't that kid seen enough ****** stuff to know that he can't be typical anymore?

   E...
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: name on March 12, 2012, 04:29 PM
Opening sequence last night reminded me of this:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PywI0BOxJpI&feature=related
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Tracy on March 12, 2012, 08:00 PM
Classic.  Except the only thing it ever ate was their paper............ ;)
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Morgbug on March 12, 2012, 09:49 PM
Bizarre dreams last night.  I ended up watching the episode twice, the Talking Dead and then the start of the third go around  ::)  I woke up every forty five minutes or so after seeing zombies in my dreams.  Not nightmares, just dreams.  By the third time it was getting funny.  I think there was some subliminal messaging going on when Rick was dead and the image was flashing.   :-X
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on March 13, 2012, 12:02 AM
Pretty bad assed episode, and a lost of one of the most important characters in the group is a massive blow to the minds of the viewers.  Things like that, to me, show that the world they're in is "very real".  The producers/writers mind-****** the audience when Rick saved Shane back at the fenced in place...  Everything's alright guys!  Shane's safe, Rick taught him a lesson.

Bzzzzzzzt!  Wrong!

First Dale gets killed by something that's really a total accident...  I agree with E about Carl just kind of doing what kids do.  I had pellet guns at an early age, and was a trouble maker.  He's a kid being a kid, but in a pretty screwed up world...  Plus he maybe had a bad streak in him too...  wanders off and things, does kind of the opposite of what he's told, bit of a backtalker...  Needs a firm hand.

Dale, you're dealing with then...  But then this week rolls around, and now a guy far more important in the greater story is gone, and by his best buddy, and then again by his buddy's kid.  And it's not even the last show of the season!?  Wow.

Again...  I reinforce that they SHOULD have been doing this long ago...  And I reiterate my earlier points that you HAVE to think medeival at this point.  You have to look at the world around you, and see that some parts of you are exposed more often.  Glenn's tustle with Randall zombie winds up leaving him very susceptible to a bite, but now if he'd had better weaponry and at least some very minimal forearm and hand protection. 

The best weapons they could possibly make are shields...  They're defensive and offensive, relatively easy to deal with/carry, and deadly efficient.

And that moat's looking like a good thought that they should've been working on quite some time ago, and didn't.

I'm still frustrated by the group, but Shane was off his rocker and a massive threat unto himself (too nuts to be leader, but not dumb enough to be controlled and used as a positive member of the group).  He either had to go, or Rick did.  Someone on Talking Dead said about there being two alpha males, and that's one too many, and that is a good point.  I'm not sure Rick is the best choice as leader, as much as he's the only choice now that Shane is gone, and Shane was equally bad for different reasons.

It's an interesting show, and it's a shame it's coming to an end for another season.  It's hard to go without it.  I cannot really say I've ever felt this strong about a TV series...  I liked Sopranoes, a lot, but that really was never the same as The Walking Dead.  This is so masterfully done every week...  It really is fantastic.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: GrandMoffNick on March 13, 2012, 08:19 AM
I won't say much in case this still happens at a different time in the show, but I just finished reading the first volume, sorry I don't know my comic terms well, Graphic Novel (the first bunch of comics together in one book) and holy crap that was different. I can't even imagine what would be happening in the show if they hadn't done it differently.

That was a coincidence. They just waited a little longer in the show.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: CloneF13Y35 on March 13, 2012, 09:07 AM
I agree with ya Jessie, maybe they'll throw in a line by Glen or Darryl saying something like 'maybe we should have some kind of body armor or something'... to which Herschal pipes up and says he's got some stuff in the basement; he did say they could hold up down there for three or four days - given the fact they're about to be overrun with walkers. I wonder would they eventually wander off if they couldn't find anyone to eat?
From what I've read online about the finale, it's gonna be brutal and the cast as we know it will be drastically reduced. My bet is Herschal and the daughter who was in a coma and wanted to die will go; Glen may die saving Maggie but then she's just as bad-azz tomboy so she might be able to hold her own. Probably carol, sophia's mom will go too.  I could see Daryl and T-bag er i mean T-dog being able to fight off enough walkers to survive. PLus Rick, Lori and Carl, the Jr Zombie-surrogate-father killer.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on March 13, 2012, 09:18 AM
My survival picks:

Rick
Lori
Carl
Andrea
Glenn
Maggie
T-Dawg
Darryl

I guess they can keep Carol alive but like Dale she seems increasingly irrelevant. Andrea is sort of on an island now too, post-Shane, but she's interesting enough to keep around, IMO.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: iFett on March 13, 2012, 10:16 AM
Caught Sunday's ep this morning.  Not sure why, but I dig watching this show in the early morning hours before the sun comes up.  Carl is flat out getting annoying, but can understand him wanting to explore - needs a leash though.  Honestly wasn't expecting Shane to go down, but kinda got that feeling once they reached the hill and the look Rick was giving him about Randall and how he knew what happend.

Didn't think that zombie was Randall at first until I saw Shane turn so quickly so had to "rewind" to watch that scene again.  Will put an interesting twist on the show now with the dead and no interaction with a zombie now that we finally saw it in action.  Wonder if Shane thought - hey man now I'm a big bad zombie and I'm going to eat your ass now Rick.   :D

The walkers on the hill during the last scene was just fantastic - in HD.  I don't even like watching shows on tv that aren't high-def.

I won't say much in case this still happens at a different time in the show, but I just finished reading the first volume, sorry I don't know my comic terms well, Graphic Novel (the first bunch of comics together in one book) and holy crap that was different. I can't even imagine what would be happening in the show if they hadn't done it differently.

That was a coincidence. They just waited a little longer in the show.

Eh?  Chatting with yourself Nick?   ;)
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: GrandMoffNick on March 13, 2012, 10:31 AM

Eh?  Chatting with yourself Nick?   ;)

I was "talking" to anyone who has read the comics and would know what I meant and to myself  ;). Guess it doesn't ruin anything now, (just in case you don't want to read this) ................................  but yeah in the comic Shane was about to kill Rick and then gets shot himself by Carl just way earlier on in the story. Kind of a coincidence I chose to read the comic and think it would be weird without Shane and then he gets killed in the show 2 days later. So conversation with self over (at least online).
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: JediJman on March 13, 2012, 12:01 PM
About time Shane got killed - it happens much much sooner in the comics.  But in the comics they didn't initially realize that the dead always come back later and they bury Shane before he turns.  Rick eventually rides back to dig Shane back up, then kills him (again) to put him out of his misery (as opposed to letting his zombie self live forever buried underground).  Makes you wonder if all the non-decomposed people in cemetaries are now zombies trapped underground in their coffins?  There was no CDC side story in the comics, so I am anxious to hear what that whisper was at the end of season one.  Sounds like we will find out in the finale.

Oh, and in the comics they do explore protecitve gear and sheilds.  Wait for it - I'm sure its coming in S3.   ;)

Did anyone ever discover a way to watch these online for free?  Still have yet to see an episode of S2.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: iFett on March 13, 2012, 02:39 PM
I'm pretty sure Jenner whispered everyone's already infected    or something along those lines.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on March 13, 2012, 02:42 PM
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I wonder would they eventually wander off if they couldn't find anyone to eat?

I would say this is at least highly probable...  Maybe not entirely, but some.

Between them moving in herds (there's still stragglers of course) and what we saw early in the show with them outside that black guy's house, they're seemingly able to lose interest as long as there's nothing keeping their interest like maybe light or sound.

I find it interesting how though, at that black guy's house, some were sticking around, other's wandered off, and his wife kept trying to get in the house at night as if she remembered it and wanted to come home.  Makes you wonder why they keep wandering near Herschel's property since it's so secluded?  Wouldn't they instead rather stick to the highways and things they maybe remember vaguely?  What drives them off the roads and into the woods like that?  Can they maybe smell the cattle from great distances?
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: JediJman on March 13, 2012, 02:42 PM
I'm pretty sure Jenner whispered everyone's already infected    or something along those lines.

That doesn't seem quite right.  If that was the case wouldn't people be turning into zombies on their own without a bite or scratch?
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: iFett on March 13, 2012, 02:52 PM
Well we didn't see the first non-bite walkers with the security guards an episode or so back so I'm guessing they'll dive more into that in the next season.

Side note - Lori gives birth to a zombie.  Calling it now.   :)
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: CloneF13Y35 on March 13, 2012, 03:42 PM
well I just read over at a reliable spoiler site "suppossedly" how it all goes down and IF it's even partly true then Dayum it's gonna a heluva show!  It also talks about how the group of walkers got there in the first place and supossedly answers the BIG question specifically raised by Randall and Shane...
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: JediJman on March 13, 2012, 05:15 PM
Side note - Lori gives birth to a zombie.  Calling it now.   :)

Not unless they stray drastically from the comics.  And you're assuming she even makes it to delivery...  :-X
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Sybeck1 on March 13, 2012, 05:16 PM
Just watched a youtube that was dead on for last week. Feel like I spoiled for me looking at it. But all I can say is it is going to be a hell of an episode.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: iFett on March 13, 2012, 06:00 PM
Not unless they stray drastically from the comics.  And you're assuming she even makes it to delivery...  :-X

For really?  What are they going to kill off the entire cast?  I can see this show lasting far past season 3, but seems to me they're going to have to do some new hiring if they do!
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: JediJman on March 13, 2012, 06:16 PM
Not unless they stray drastically from the comics.  And you're assuming she even makes it to delivery...  :-X

For really?  What are they going to kill off the entire cast?  I can see this show lasting far past season 3, but seems to me they're going to have to do some new hiring if they do!

Well, the comics did a good job of adding to the cast as they take people away.  Rick and his gang obviously aren't the only survivors out there.   ;)  So far, the characters I like the best from the book have stuck around, but the show has definitely killed off different people, or at least in a different order.  At the heart of it, this is Rick's journey.  Anyone else is just fodder for him to play off of. 

If you really want to know who survives in the books, read on...

Rick, of course, though he gets a nasty injury later on
Carl makes it.  I don't care for his character in the book either, but he gets a crazy injury well into the story
Andrea rocks.  She's tough as nails and a sharpshooter, but much younger in the comic.
Glenn sticks around too.  right hand man to Rick and crazy good at getting supplies for the group.  Maggie holds out too. For now.
Lori has the baby, but they can't kill off all these people and let Rick's family go unscathed.  She and the baby get killed in a crossfire with another group.


They haven't even met Michonne or Abraham yet, which are two of the best characters in the comic right now...
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Sybeck1 on March 16, 2012, 09:06 AM
Not unless they stray drastically from the comics.  And you're assuming she even makes it to delivery...  :-X

For really?  What are they going to kill off the entire cast?  I can see this show lasting far past season 3, but seems to me they're going to have to do some new hiring if they do!

Well, the comics did a good job of adding to the cast as they take people away.  Rick and his gang obviously aren't the only survivors out there.   ;)  So far, the characters I like the best from the book have stuck around, but the show has definitely killed off different people, or at least in a different order.  At the heart of it, this is Rick's journey.  Anyone else is just fodder for him to play off of. 

If you really want to know who survives in the books, read on...

Rick, of course, though he gets a nasty injury later on
Carl makes it.  I don't care for his character in the book either, but he gets a crazy injury well into the story
Andrea rocks.  She's tough as nails and a sharpshooter, but much younger in the comic.
Glenn sticks around too.  right hand man to Rick and crazy good at getting supplies for the group.  Maggie holds out too. For now.
Lori has the baby, but they can't kill off all these people and let Rick's family go unscathed.  She and the baby get killed in a crossfire with another group.


They haven't even met Michonne or Abraham yet, which are two of the best characters in the comic right now...

I don't see what happens to Rick being able to carry over to the show.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on March 16, 2012, 09:14 AM
I don't see what happens to Rick being able to carry over to the show.

I'm very curious to see what they do on that point as well. It's a pretty integral part of the book, and we know they are headed into this storyline next season, so it will be interesting to see how they handle that whole question.

I'll be very happy if the rest of that stuff comes true though.  ;D
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: efranks on March 18, 2012, 10:32 PM
Holy ****.

Couple things:
- Lori getting all indignant after the talk with Rick? ******. That bitch has gotta go.
- The "savior" in the woods?  Badass.
- NOW he wants to hole up and fortify?  Closing the barn door after the horse is out and all that...
- Rick with a set of balls is completely overcompensating for his earlier actions.

   E...
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Tracy on March 18, 2012, 11:04 PM
Holy ****.


- Lori getting all indignant after the talk with Rick? ******. That bitch has gotta go.

I thought the exact same thing.  What right did she have to get judgmental on him?  She pretty much ensured that Rick would never trust Shane again with her little speech in the tent.  She totally fired him up and egged him on.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on March 18, 2012, 11:14 PM
Sigh, so much awesomeness, and then there's effing Lori.  ::)

The first 20 minutes was solid gold...I'm not sure how many consecutive hours I could watch of zombie armageddon, but it would be an awful lot.

Definitely will have to watch the recap later because I still do not get really what their plan was at the Farm...seemed like a lot of aimless driving back and forth and wasting ammo on undead target practice. Sure made for exciting TV though. Poor Jimmy! Poor Patricia too. I'm kinda surprised the suicidal chick made it out alive, and Hersel for that matter. I thought for sure he was going down in a blaze of glory, but glad they decided to keep him around.

The barn burning scene was awesome, really well done...a highlight of the season for sure.

Bummer about Andrea, but if she hadn't gotten separated it wouldn't have led to ONE OF SINGLE MOST AWESOME SCENES IN TELEVISION OVER THE PAST FIVE YEARS:

MICHONNE FTW, baby!!!

The awesomeness meter on this show just got cranked up to about 15 on the Bad-Ass Scale!

And not only that, the closing shot of The Prison!?! - How incredible was THAT? Nerdgasm!

The only sour note in the whole episode, and I am getting tired of coming back to this, but damn, LORI. WHAT THE HELL?!?! YOU basically tell Rick to murder Shane, then screw with Shane's head causing him to try and murder Rick, and then when Rick actually does what you asked, because he is forced to due to your careless meddling, you have the unbelievable audacity to get all huffy WITH HIM?!?!?

She is just a rotten person, plain and simple. I wish she would just leave and take Carol with her already. Ugh, so over those two.

Some interesting stuff from Talking Dead:

The have cast the role of Michonne but I have no idea who the actress was (Denai something?) they showed so no idea if this was a good choice or what.

The host actually asked them what the hell about Lori and before Kirkman joked it away the other dude Mazzara started to explain that it was really herself she was mad at for setting all these events into motion more or less, but still, geez.

I guess they were originally planning to have Randall escape and kill Hershel but ultimately changed their minds and let him live.

Great show, great season, a little slow at times but definitely strong as hell at the end there. Looking forward to next year SO MUCH!
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Tracy on March 18, 2012, 11:40 PM
Sigh, so much awesomeness, and then there's effing Lori.  ::)

The only sour note in the whole episode, and I am getting tired of coming back to this, but damn, LORI. WHAT THE HELL?!?! YOU basically tell Rick to murder Shane, then screw with Shane's head causing him to try and murder Rick, and then when Rick actually does what you asked, because he is forced to due to your careless meddling, you have the unbelievable audacity to get all huffy WITH HIM?!?!?

She is just a rotten person, plain and simple. I wish she would just leave and take Carol with her already. Ugh, so over those two.


Nail. On. The. Head.  For a while there I was starting to like Carol and how she was coming into her own after getting away from her ******* husband.  I had hoped she and Darrell would hook up - they seemed good for each other and brought out the best in each other.  Now she just seems like a whiney harpy.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: efranks on March 18, 2012, 11:46 PM
Yeah, what's up with Carol?  The group had been looking to Rick as their leader, wanted him to step up (but he hadn't quite yet) and take charge and now she basically called Daryl his flunky (or enforcer or whatever).  Well, isn't that kind of what they wanted? Him to take charge?  Leaders need an enforcer or two and Shane was going batshit crazy so Daryl was a good choice.

And without getting too spoilerish, is Lori such a complete waste in the comics as she's been on the show?

On the plus side, it was good to see Rick confirm what he learned at the CDC and what we've all basically guessed at.

I don't know the actress they got for Michonne.  Here name is Danai Gurira.  Her major credit till now has been Treme.  She's guested on a bunch of stuff, but not really a key role yet.  She's hot, though, and if she's playing a kickass character, I'm not going to argue.

   E...
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on March 18, 2012, 11:52 PM
Carol and Maggie are gonna cause as much trouble as Lori.  The way they write women on this show sometimes.

They were in a rush to get off the highway, too much...if they weren't thinking about gasoline.

Some tidbits on the talk show that airs after it:

-Hershell was originally planned to be killed by an escaped Randal, but they wisely changed their minds.

-Jimmy was to be the thing Dale found in the field, this was before Dale was gonna be killed off I think.

-It was 27 degrees when they filmed the barn night scenes. Zombie Breath had to be removed via CGI
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt_Fury on March 18, 2012, 11:57 PM
I like how they showed the helicopter from the pilot episode.  Hope to see more of that down the line.

I think if I were going to have two zombies on a leash, I'd remove their jaws as well as their arms.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Greg on March 19, 2012, 12:20 AM
I think if I were going to have two zombies on a leash, I'd remove their jaws as well as their arms.

I think the jaws are sewn shut, or maybe they are removed. I bet we will know for sure in Season 3.

As for the women in the show, I can understand what is going on even though (like most) I don't like it. I think Lori is regretting her decisions since her manipulation has permanently eliminated Shane (who she still seemed to care about) while transforming Rick into someone just like Shane. She clearly didn't think things through which really aggravates me.

With Carol, I think she is also disturbed by Rick's transformation. She also didn't have the highest opinion of Rick to begin with, since he abandoned her daughter and was (from her POV, anyway) responsible for her death. I think her attitude is justified when Daryl, the person who tried the hardest to find Sophia, is staying loyal to the man who abandoned and "killed" Sophia. While I can understand what is possibly going on with the ladies in the group I think their development could be handled much better. The shifts in emotions seem to be very drastic, which aggravates me.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: efranks on March 19, 2012, 09:38 AM
The shifts in emotions seem to be very drastic, which aggravates me.

Well, they are women. (ducks and runs away)

You have some valid points and now, the next morning, I see where you're coming from and think I agree with you.  At least on Carol. 

I still think Lori is a complete pain in the ass.  I agree with McMetal; Lori as much as told Rick that Shane had to go then mindfucks Shane by mentioning that she's confused and not 100% sure who the father of the baby is, giving him some glimmer of hope and basically putting him on a collision course with Rick.  One had to die, she was going to be one of the main reasons for that, and now she's pissed because it happened.

On the topic of the walkers that Michonne had, in the article annoucing the casting (http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/walking-dead-michonne-danai-gurira-301498) for the actress it mentions that the walkers were "armless and jawless."  Makes sense.  If they can't grab you and cant gnaw on you, not quite as dangerous.  The look was too quick last night for me to register anything besides that they were chained up and armless, and I don't have hi def so even if I paused it I don't know if I could have seen the jaws (or lack of).

   E...
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: CloneF13Y35 on March 19, 2012, 09:39 AM
I agree with everyone's assesments, while the spoilers I read were dead on, it was still very exciting to see how it all played out. I really only got into the show during the season 1 and 2 marathan before this second half got started back in Jan/Feb so that helped keep everything in mind. Unlike Lost, after 5 or 6 years, you kinda forgot a lot of stuff that had happened before by the time it ended.
I could see the character development of many of them, from bad to better and bad to worse a la Shane. The major spoiler/reveal that everyone is already infected was widely suspected by us but helped answer to them the WHY some people became zombies without obvious bites, scratches which seemed to only speed up the process once injured.  And with Randall and Shane becoming zombies after being killed by conventional means proved that. But the other questions is HOW? Was it airborne, some kind of aresol chemical released into the air and why?
Anyway, so many interesting things happened with the group - Lori freaking out at Rick over what she prodded him to do to Shane; Glen/Maggie getting together - now if he'll man up a little and stop letting her boss him around lol; Hershal leaving his farm and for now, giving Rick his support; Daryl coming into his own, even still as an outsider (at least to himself). Maybe he and Carol will hook up or at least get her to quit her bitchen.
Glad to see Andrea make it and thanks to the character from the comics which I haven't read - Michonne coming to Andrea's rescue. How cool was it seeing her dragging her two zombies behind her on chains? I've read somewhere it says one is her brother and other one is her boyfriend and she keeps them around to disguise her from other walkers.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: iFett on March 19, 2012, 09:41 AM
I didn't quite catch the helicopter thing in the beginning - even on the talking dead they didn't say that was from the pilot.  I dunno.  I thought the chopter lured all the walkers to the farm - why were they all hell bent on getting there to begin with - just the gunshot derailed them?

The armless walkers on chains lead by Michonne.  OMFG!!  I've no clue who she is, but a fan fave from the books I guess.  Can't wait to see more of that kinda stuff.  Trained walkers?  rad

Lori and Carl need to leave.  They both annoy me.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: efranks on March 19, 2012, 10:04 AM
I didn't quite catch the helicopter thing in the beginning - even on the talking dead they didn't say that was from the pilot.  I dunno.  I thought the chopter lured all the walkers to the farm - why were they all hell bent on getting there to begin with - just the gunshot derailed them?

I didn't quite get the timeline of the helicopter either but if it was in the pilot then the course of events seems to be that it caught the attention of the walkers which started following it.  Once in motion, they just kept going.  They were joined by a second group (that we saw, probably by more) which really increased the ranks and they kept on mostly in a straight line out of Atlanta.  They happened to be near the farm and heard Carl's gunshot and that turned them in that direction.

It shows that they really are a herd, basically.  Mindlessly set in motion by something that, to them, signaled live humans for them to eat.  But once on the move, they didn't really deviate until something else stimulated them into thinking "food."

   E...
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Qui-Gon Jim on March 19, 2012, 10:36 AM
Sigh, so much awesomeness, and then there's effing Lori.  ::)

The only sour note in the whole episode, and I am getting tired of coming back to this, but damn, LORI. WHAT THE HELL?!?! YOU basically tell Rick to murder Shane, then screw with Shane's head causing him to try and murder Rick, and then when Rick actually does what you asked, because he is forced to due to your careless meddling, you have the unbelievable audacity to get all huffy WITH HIM?!?!?

She is just a rotten person, plain and simple. I wish she would just leave and take Carol with her already. Ugh, so over those two.



Nail. On. The. Head.  For a while there I was starting to like Carol and how she was coming into her own after getting away from her ******* husband.  I had hoped she and Darrell would hook up - they seemed good for each other and brought out the best in each other.  Now she just seems like a whiney harpy.
+2.  Couldn't agree more.  I would say that 75% of Rick's speech was directed right at that beyotch.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on March 20, 2012, 12:08 AM
I thought you almost had to watch Talking Dead this time to make sure you got everything...

As has been noted, the show's honchoes mentioned that Lori's mad at herself, at least as much as Rick I guess, over what happened to Shane...  She maybe didn't expect murder to be the answer, but more for Rick to put him in his place and keep him there.  How do you get mad though, considering what Shane did to Rick to get him out alone like that?  She's probably equally mad/upset that now Carl's involved heavily, and that's going to be a scarring thing and all.

I liked Rick's flip-out though...  long overdue with this bunch of roaming appetizers.  They're a bunch of dickheads, and spineless.  People like T-Dawg, Carol, Lori, Glenn/Maggie...  They don't have my respect.  Not one of them.  The world is a world of "Rick's, Shane's, & Dale's".  The first two are independant, and capable.  The last is not.  The first two will come to disagreement...  The last will bitch, but couldn't survive on its own.

The Vato's are a group of Rick's...  or at least they seemed to have some level of solidarity behind what they were doing.  Trying to do a moral thing in a world of chaos.

On other points...  I totally agree with Greg about Carol's behavior...  Justified when you look at it from her POV, but her POV is admittedly warped.  She blames Rick, and loves Darryl, so she sees Darryl as pandering to Rick...  Likewise Maggie feels/felt the same about Glenn.  Stop being their slave, doign the dirty work, and be more of a Rick/Shane type!

Well, that's much easier said than done, isn't it?  It's the guy with the pistol permit, maybe even willing to draw it, but does he have the courage to use it?  Fight or flight is a hard thing to control, and Rick has the ability to do that when others do not.  Shane did too, for better or worse.  Andrea's getting there.  Michonne looks to have it and then some.

As far as the timeline goes, and the copter, IIRC the zombies eating the dog were there, no?  I recall that somewhere....  The herd thing is something Darryl touched on too.  Staying off broader highways is a good idea because big open space like that leads instinctively to migration.  That's kind of neat to see it hinted at a little bit...  The herds move in bulk, and prefer moving where it's easier to move...  I liked how they hit that fence and just stood there.  Good to think they're that dumb at least, and probably aren't able to climb ladders.

The prison was hard to make out what it was when I was watching.  I didn't find out till, again, Talking Dead that it was that...  I'd considered prisons as a place to maybe go and even said that, if you were on the West Coast, that you may try to get to Alcatraz...  But on the East Coast a lot of prisons are like fortresses equally good at keeping people out as they are keeping them in.  Problem is, who's left inside, if anyone, that's alive?

You think 30 guys from Philly and whoever they picked up on the way down are bad, then think about who's in the prison...  People who society basically exiled long ago, and who themselves largely abandoned society.  It's a fort, but be careful who you're playing cowboys and undeadindians with.

And I totally figured Patricia and Jimmy were done for...  I really thought T-Dawg's time is up.  A little shocked someone like him is stilling hangin' in there.

Great season finale, best show on TV, and outstanding all around.  I'm floored by it every week.

Oh, and one more thing...  Who cares if you turn into a zombie regardless?  Unless you turn into one spontaneously...  like you die because of the illness and just boom at osme point zombie-out, then who cares?  If it's just whenever you die from whatever kills you, be it a bite, a gun shot, a knife to the gut, a muscle-head breaking your neck, falling off a ladder, or a heartattack from old age, then who cares?  Isn't it just another part of life at that point?  You're just going to have to make sure when grandpa dies in the night from old age, that you pop him one in the head to make sure he doesn't wake up when you're doing the eulogy right?  I don't see the big deal there, assuming that it's not possible for the disease itself to kill you and reanimate you.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: JediJman on March 20, 2012, 07:33 AM
Oh, and one more thing...  Who cares if you turn into a zombie regardless?  Unless you turn into one spontaneously...  like you die because of the illness and just boom at osme point zombie-out, then who cares?  If it's just whenever you die from whatever kills you, be it a bite, a gun shot, a knife to the gut, a muscle-head breaking your neck, falling off a ladder, or a heartattack from old age, then who cares?  Isn't it just another part of life at that point?  You're just going to have to make sure when grandpa dies in the night from old age, that you pop him one in the head to make sure he doesn't wake up when you're doing the eulogy right?  I don't see the big deal there, assuming that it's not possible for the disease itself to kill you and reanimate you.

I think people instinctively want to be laid to rest when they die.  I get what you're saying - if you're dead, then you won't know the difference anyway, but it's the thought of what will happen to your body afterwards.  When you die, do you want to be buried somewhere or just dumped in the family garbage can?  It really shouldn't matter I guess, but it does to most people.  I also think people don't want to go down knowing that they're going to add to the zombie ranks.  If anything, I'd want to not come back just to cleanse the world of one more zombie.

Now that said, I wonder if anyone WANTS to become a zombie.  The flip side of the arguement is that you would "live" longer and who knows what sense of self you might still have as a zombie.  What if they somehow came up with a cure?  Obviously a rat's chance in Hell of that happening, but that kind of mindset might make some people prefer to come back just in case...
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: CloneF13Y35 on March 20, 2012, 10:21 AM
On another mesasage board, someone asked why didn't Dale become a zombie like Randall and Shane and I mentioned that Daryl shot Dale in the head to destroy his brain; Shane and Randall did not 'die' that way initially. Rick didn't know for certain (whether it'll ever be mentioned or maybe it was somewhere - I  know Rick ws told by Dr. Jenner but until seeing it with Shane, I don't think he totally believed it) that Shane would Zombie up like that and so quickly. But like they said on Talking Dead, Shane had so much agressive energy in him, he transformed really quickly. So going back to everyone is infected, if little Ms. 'I wanna die cause life sux' (Herschal's youngest daughter who did survive), HAD been sucessfully in killing herself then she would have zombied up too and Herschal or someone would have had to put her down. When Maggie was attacked the second time she and Glen went to the store, I think it flipped a switch in her mind that - yeah - they ain't 'sick people', they're freaking zombies.
i want to pick up some of the comics to get a better feel for the story. I'll need SOMETHING to watch/do until the Fall LOL.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Tracy on March 20, 2012, 01:19 PM
On another mesasage board, someone asked why didn't Dale become a zombie like Randall and Shane and I mentioned that Daryl shot Dale in the head to destroy his brain;

Actually - Darryl shot Dale in the head as an act of mercy - to end his suffering.  He had no idea at that point the that living need headshots at the end also to prevent them from turning into Walkers. 
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: CloneF13Y35 on March 20, 2012, 02:13 PM
On another mesasage board, someone asked why didn't Dale become a zombie like Randall and Shane and I mentioned that Daryl shot Dale in the head to destroy his brain;

Actually - Darryl shot Dale in the head as an act of mercy - to end his suffering.  He had no idea at that point the that living need headshots at the end also to prevent them from turning into Walkers.

I remember watching the marathans for season 2, when Daryl returned from squirrel hunting after Rick showed up and a few walkers showed up, he shot them in the head and said something to the effect of: 'Ya gotta shoot 'em in th' head, donchall know nuthin?' I always took that to mean he knew you had to shoot them in the head. But also I agree he shot Dale that way to put him out of his misery too.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on March 20, 2012, 02:27 PM
On another mesasage board, someone asked why didn't Dale become a zombie like Randall and Shane and I mentioned that Daryl shot Dale in the head to destroy his brain;

Actually - Darryl shot Dale in the head as an act of mercy - to end his suffering.  He had no idea at that point the that living need headshots at the end also to prevent them from turning into Walkers.

I see your point Tracy, but I think Darryl was doing double duty there...  a quick ending for Dale's pain, but also Dale had been attacked by a zombie, and there was already some questioning as to whether scratches could infect you.  Plus nobody was entirely sure if Dale had been bitten...  I think Darryl was making sure Dale wasn't coming back too.

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When you die, do you want to be buried somewhere or just dumped in the family garbage can?

I'd prefer yard-a-paulted.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: name on March 21, 2012, 11:19 AM
But like they said on Talking Dead, Shane had so much agressive energy in him, he transformed really quickly.

Or perhaps he was already partially symptomatic?  Maybe he was less resistant to the infection than the rest of the carriers?

What troubles me about the idea that they are all carriers, that removes all hope unless a cure can be found.  Regular "don't get bitten" zombie apocalypse scenarios allow survivors to just outlast the zombies if a quarantine can be found...eventually they will all decompose.  But if everyone who dies, even in quarantine, is going to wake up hungry the zombie life cycle is never going to be interrupted.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Tracy on March 21, 2012, 01:49 PM
Agreed.  Rick's group now knows that all dead/dying need a hole in the head - but how long will it take other's to figure this out?  I does seem hopeless unless there is an unforseen event/climate/etc. that helps to eliminate them.  [Please - if you know already - no hints or spoilers]
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: JediJman on March 21, 2012, 03:41 PM
Agreed.  Rick's group now knows that all dead/dying need a hole in the head - but how long will it take other's to figure this out?  I does seem hopeless unless there is an unforseen event/climate/etc. that helps to eliminate them.  [Please - if you know already - no hints or spoilers]

No spoilers on the comic front.  They never touch on any of the science in the book because there was no CDC sotryline.  None of the survivors have any real scientific expertise, so I don't recall this ever coming up.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: JediJman on May 8, 2012, 02:59 PM
I've started re-reading the graphic novels again from the start.  There's a lot that I had forgotten about and details that I missed the first time through.  They DO realize in the book that they're all infected - it just happens at the prison instead of at the farm.  There's a big piece on it that I didn't recall.

Anyone planning to get these?  Walking Dead Minimates (http://www.dreadcentral.com/news/54073/walking-dead-minimates-now-available-pre-order)
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: CloneF13Y35 on May 9, 2012, 10:24 AM
yeah I still want to get some of the comic collections just to stay in the environment and to see what else happens.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Sybeck1 on May 24, 2012, 08:17 PM
I am wondering how far into the season will Rick and his people learn Andrea is still alive. She of course still thinks Shane is alive. Will she and Michonne run into the governor before Rick does?
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: CloneF13Y35 on May 25, 2012, 03:36 PM
Interesting question, not sure; but they have finished filming the first episode. guess more details will start to leak out over the next few months.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: evenflow on May 27, 2012, 08:02 PM
Just watched the first 2 seasons for the first time over the past 2 weeks. Pretty entertaining. I don't want an answer to why but do they eventually explain this all started in the books?
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: JediJman on May 27, 2012, 08:30 PM
Just watched the first 2 seasons for the first time over the past 2 weeks. Pretty entertaining. I don't want an answer to why but do they eventually explain this all started in the books?

No. This comes up once in a while in the letters page and it sounds like they have no interest in exploring that.  This story is all about what's next not what was.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: CloneF13Y35 on May 28, 2012, 05:02 PM
yeah it's kinda like Lost - don't worry about the broken foot of a huge statue that only has 4 toes, nor why the show lingered on it for so long ;)
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: evenflow on May 28, 2012, 11:55 PM
Just watched the first 2 seasons for the first time over the past 2 weeks. Pretty entertaining. I don't want an answer to why but do they eventually explain this all started in the books?

No. This comes up once in a while in the letters page and it sounds like they have no interest in exploring that.  This story is all about what's next not what was.

Thank you both for the info.   ;D
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: name on May 30, 2012, 12:40 PM
And so it begins..... (http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/05/26/11899538-report-miami-police-shoot-naked-man-chewing-on-victims-face)
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: iFett on May 30, 2012, 01:17 PM
Heard about that on the drive in this morning.  Guess the dude was on lsd....and I'm guessing he was watching this show or some other zombiefest.  I haven't seen pics (don't want to) but I guess the victim looked worse then the lady who got her face ripped off by her pet monkey.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Tracy on May 30, 2012, 01:20 PM
I thought of Hannibal Lecter before I thought of Walking Dead when I saw this...............
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: JediJman on May 31, 2012, 06:06 PM
Wow, this poor guy.  Great reasons to not be homeless or live in Miami.  By the way, it doesn't appear related to the Walking Dead or Hannibal - it's bath salts and a voodoo curse.  Seriously.

"Footage of the attack shows that homeless man Poppo was sleeping under the highway when naked Eugene, 31, pounced on him and started to eat his face. He then stripped off off Poppo's bottom clothes, straddles him and continued with his attack. Although a cop came by and told him to stop, Eugene simply growled at him with pieces of flesh in his mouth and continued to savage Poppo. It is believed that Rudy was high on bath salts leading to his psychotic behavior. But his girlfriend says he was a very sweet guy and believes there must have been a voodoo curse on him that drove him to commit such a heinous attack on another human being. "
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on May 31, 2012, 10:49 PM
Bath salts are a helluva drug.

 ::)
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Tracy on June 1, 2012, 09:16 AM
Bath salts are a helluva drug.

 ::)

Actually, they are a serious hallucinagen.  I recently watched an episode of Intervention on A&E where the man was addicted to bath salts - it was the first time I had ever heard of it.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: CloneF13Y35 on June 1, 2012, 11:30 AM
All the same, I'll get to work on my bodyarmor and collection of knives, stakes, swords. hammers and slingblades just in case ;)
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Tracy on June 21, 2012, 02:52 PM
FYI - I just found Season 1 at Redbox.  Got it home and thought it only had the last two episodes - turns out it is a double-sided disc ???

AMC is doing a marathon of Seasons 1 and 2 with a preview of Season 3 July 7-8th.  Would love to catch the first 1/2  of Season 2 again.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: name on June 22, 2012, 09:34 AM
All the same, I'll get to work on my bodyarmor and collection of knives, stakes, swords. hammers and slingblades just in case ;)

Some folks call it a sling blade, I call it a kaiser blade, mm hmm.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Tracy on June 22, 2012, 02:10 PM
All the same, I'll get to work on my bodyarmor and collection of knives, stakes, swords. hammers and slingblades just in case ;)

Some folks call it a sling blade, I call it a kaiser blade, mm hmm.

He should know - he studied on it. Studied on it quite a bit.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: CloneF13Y35 on June 23, 2012, 08:22 PM
hahaha, truely funny stuff. seems like they are almost done with the third episode and getting ready to film in Senoia, Ga doubling as the town the Gov,na rules!
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: iFett on June 25, 2012, 01:44 PM
Couldn't sleep last night so watched the Mist and it had the actors that played Andrea, Carol and Dale in it.  The movie kinda sucked except for the ending, but ya...good trivia question?  ya no.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: JediJman on June 25, 2012, 02:42 PM
Couldn't sleep last night so watched the Mist and it had the actors that played Andrea, Carol and Dale in it.  The movie kinda sucked except for the ending, but ya...good trivia question?  ya no.

Funny.  I watched that few weeks back and I thought the whole movie was good except for the ending!  I definitely wouldn't have gone out that way.  It was cool to see some of the same WD characters though.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: iFett on June 25, 2012, 03:34 PM
Of course the ending was a terrible situation, but I never saw that coming so that is why I liked it.  It was just a movie....but ya I agree it was nice to see some of the gang together outside of the dead.   ;)
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Greg on June 25, 2012, 05:11 PM
I really enjoyed The Mist, and the ending might have been my favorite part... definitely an "oh ****" kind of moment. And here's an additional bit of info: Sam Witwer, who was in The Mist and did voice work for various Star Wars projects, played the "tank zombie" in the first episode of TWD.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on June 26, 2012, 09:40 AM
Ugh, the ending of The Mist was appalling and repulsive in my opinion. I guarantee you whatever sorry jagoff wrote that did not have kids. It just came off as cheap and contrived to me. NOTHING like the way WD handled the Sophia storyline.

I did enjoy the shooting of that whackjob woman that kept making trouble though.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: name on June 26, 2012, 10:39 AM
Speaking of timelines....what really bothered me last night was the neighborhood that they went to.

Corpses had been in the garage long enough to rot down to skeletons, but the grass was all mowed and trimmed.

Do zombies landscape?

Friends visiting family in Senoia, GA posted pictures of signs that are up all over town that read "Stalwart Films, LLC thanks the City of Senoia for NOT mowing their grass."
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Aucassin on June 27, 2012, 12:47 AM
Ugh, the ending of The Mist was appalling and repulsive in my opinion. I guarantee you whatever sorry jagoff wrote that did not have kids. It just came off as cheap and contrived to me. NOTHING like the way WD handled the Sophia storyline.

The Mist's screenplay was adapted from Stephen King's novel by Frank Darabont, former executive producer of The Walking Dead.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: CloneF13Y35 on July 1, 2012, 11:35 AM
oh the mist was on syfy last weekend and I caught different parts of it several times, enough to see all the WD cast members.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: JediJman on July 3, 2012, 11:18 AM
If you're looking for something to do while waiting for the WD, check out the comics.  They are fast approaching issue 100 and getting back to some bigtime action in the storyline after a pretty long hiatus. 

I'm also reading World War Z.  It's written somewhat documentary style while a bunch of different interviews telling the big picture story.  Took me a while to get used to the format, but they can cover a lot more ground that way.  All kinds of pretty interesting info on how "Zack" (Code word for the undead) was able to take over most of the world and how it spread so fast.  In this version you do have to get infected like a virus - those who die in other ways don't come back. 

The book shows why the military was mostly ineffective, what happened in many different countries, how people survived, and the changed world post apocalypse.  A lot of the stuff we have talked about in this thread is in there, like going back to castles/walls, using makeshift swords/sheilds, using the colder weather to freeze Zack.  Its also an interesting perspective on how the living react - how they can be just as dangerous or more than the undead. They cover all the misinformation that gets people killed and something called a Quisling - people who snap and start acting like Zombies, further driving misinformation for the survivors.  Good stuff.

My only complaint is that there really isn't a main character to follow yet outside of the interviewer - just a lot of seperate stories from survivors, some more interesting than others.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: name on July 3, 2012, 11:48 AM
Miami, Florida (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/09/rudy-eugene-autopsy-no-human-flesh-stomach-pills-miami_n_1583320.html)


Palmetto, Florida (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/21/charles-baker-got-naked-ate-flesh-of-jeffery-blake_n_1615800.html)


Maryland (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/01/alexander-kinyua-ate-kujoe-agyei-kodie-cannibalism-facebook-maryland_n_1563586.html#slide=1126505)

Utica, NY (http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/06/25/high-on-bath-salts-new-york-woman-says-want-to-kill-someone-and-eat-them/)

China (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/chinese-cannibal-attack-caught-on-video-as-drunken-bus-driver-chews-off-womans-face-7903914.html)


This ****'s getting real.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: JediJman on July 3, 2012, 02:24 PM
Just the same way it starts in the book....
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Chris M on July 3, 2012, 03:43 PM
Looks like its about time to buy another pistol and Ar15.

I read this somewhere, "The hardest part of the zombie apocalypse will be pretending I'm not excited."
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Sybeck1 on July 4, 2012, 09:12 AM
Can't wait to see them take the prison!!

http://insidetv.ew.com/2012/07/02/walking-dead-prison-season-3-photos/

(http://ewinsidetv.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/the-walking-dead-exclusive-1_510.jpg)

(http://ewinsidetv.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/the-walking-dead-exclusive-2_510.jpg)
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on July 4, 2012, 05:33 PM
Freaking awesome!

All new Talking Dead Live Sunday night with Previews of Season 3, followed by the original pilot airing in B&W.

I'm there.

 8)
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Ghost of QG on July 4, 2012, 07:55 PM
DISH is killing me. Better have this straightened out by the start of Season 3 or I'm out...
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Greg on July 5, 2012, 03:17 PM
DISH is killing me. Better have this straightened out by the start of Season 3 or I'm out...

I feel your pain. I would be looking into other providers but they all seem to have these disputes with one network or another various times. At this point I'm more inclined to just drop cable/satellite altogether, and just stick to Netflix/online streaming as well as DVD/Bluray.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: name on July 6, 2012, 09:09 AM


(http://ewinsidetv.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/the-walking-dead-exclusive-2_510.jpg)

That is the second hottest thing I've seen today.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: CloneF13Y35 on July 6, 2012, 09:30 PM
Ah there's my dream girl, the lovely Lauren Cohan, she cleans up real well! She can stomp my zombie anytime she wants!
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on July 6, 2012, 09:39 PM
Never thought of calling it "my zombie" but I may start now.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Ghost of QG on July 6, 2012, 10:28 PM


(http://ewinsidetv.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/the-walking-dead-exclusive-2_510.jpg)

That is the second hottest thing I've seen today.

What was the first?
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: iFett on July 6, 2012, 10:41 PM
**** ya!  My contract with directv is over in September so guessing I'm sol for the next season.   :'(  How can you not love that face and stuff though!?
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: CloneF13Y35 on July 7, 2012, 12:54 AM
**** ya!  My contract with directv is over in September so guessing I'm sol for the next season.   :'(  How can you not love that face and stuff though!?

next season of the walking dead starts in October, so maybe not
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: JediJman on July 7, 2012, 09:26 AM
I finished up World War Z this weekend.  I can see why they're searching for a more exciting ending, but it was a pretty good book over all.  Definitely addresses a lot of questions that crossed my mind from storylines like TWD.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Tracy on July 7, 2012, 10:10 AM
Never thought of calling it "my zombie" but I may start now.

I'd be careful about that if I were you.  Though the idea of it wandering around mindlessly with the sole purpose of it finding one thing rings true - I don't know that you would want to compare "your zombie" to something that walks around limp with its head drooping to the side all of the time  ;)
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Phrubruh on July 7, 2012, 02:44 PM
It seems there is a group of people that want to take about 200 aches of abandoned Detroit and turn it into Zombie land! The idea is that guests would spend the night hiding from zombies in the abandoned warehouses, stores and homes and try to survive the night. Zombie actors would hunt down the guests. If the Zombies catch the guest, they become zombies too.

(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/07/03/article-2168161-13E7FE39000005DC-743_634x436.jpg)

http://www.tgdaily.com/games-and-entertainment-brief/64474-detroit-eyed-for-zombie-theme-park (http://www.tgdaily.com/games-and-entertainment-brief/64474-detroit-eyed-for-zombie-theme-park)
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: CloneF13Y35 on July 7, 2012, 04:21 PM
Never thought of calling it "my zombie" but I may start now.

I'd be careful about that if I were you.  Though the idea of it wandering around mindlessly with the sole purpose of it finding one thing rings true - I don't know that you would want to compare "your zombie" to something that walks around limp with its head drooping to the side all of the time  ;)

"Dead man walking" has new meaning now lol
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on July 7, 2012, 05:50 PM
Never thought of calling it "my zombie" but I may start now.

I'd be careful about that if I were you.  Though the idea of it wandering around mindlessly with the sole purpose of it finding one thing rings true - I don't know that you would want to compare "your zombie" to something that walks around limp with its head drooping to the side all of the time  ;)

True...  Though zombies obviously have some stiffness to them too.  :-X  Rigor mortis and all.

Dunno what to say about the possible smell though.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: CloneF13Y35 on July 8, 2012, 10:56 AM
Day two of the walking marathon on AMC starts at 11:30 this morning. I really enjoyed seeing all of season 1 since I hadn't really watched it all the way through before.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: iFett on July 8, 2012, 08:23 PM
I think I overdosed on this show.  Seriously spent the entire day watching it.  Looking forward to the Talking Dead after the show though...and the black and white pilot.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: JediJman on July 8, 2012, 10:16 PM
Day two of the walking marathon on AMC starts at 11:30 this morning. I really enjoyed seeing all of season 1 since I hadn't really watched it all the way through before.

Thanks for the tip on this.  I tried to get my TiVo hooked up in time to record it, but I think I need a cable card for DirecTV.  Argh.  If anyone sees any other WD marathons on the horizon, please let me know.  Next time I will be prepared!
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt on July 8, 2012, 11:31 PM
Though zombies obviously have some stiffness to them too.  :-X  Rigor mortis and all.

Rigor mortis goes away after a couple of days. . .   ::)

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In humans, it commences after about three to four hours, reaches maximum stiffness after 12 hours, and gradually dissipates until approximately 48 to 60 hours after death.

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Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt_Fury on July 8, 2012, 11:49 PM
Day two of the walking marathon on AMC starts at 11:30 this morning. I really enjoyed seeing all of season 1 since I hadn't really watched it all the way through before.

Thanks for the tip on this.  I tried to get my TiVo hooked up in time to record it, but I think I need a cable card for DirecTV.  Argh.  If anyone sees any other WD marathons on the horizon, please let me know.  Next time I will be prepared!

Do you have Netflix streaming or Amazon's online service?  I think they both have Walking Dead available.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: CloneF13Y35 on July 8, 2012, 11:50 PM
Day two of the walking marathon on AMC starts at 11:30 this morning. I really enjoyed seeing all of season 1 since I hadn't really watched it all the way through before.

Thanks for the tip on this.  I tried to get my TiVo hooked up in time to record it, but I think I need a cable card for DirecTV.  Argh.  If anyone sees any other WD marathons on the horizon, please let me know.  Next time I will be prepared!

No problem, hopefully they'll at least do another season 2 marathon in Oct. before the new season starts. I think they did this one because of SDCC next weekend where the cast and creator and producers will be there to promote it.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: JediJman on July 9, 2012, 01:01 AM
I have Netflix DVD and didn't have AMC prior to a week ago.  I'm staying with relatives for a few months and they have DirecTV & AMC (for all the good it does me now).  I'll probably just pick up the discs when they come out, but to date I have not seen a minute of Season 2.   :'(
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on July 9, 2012, 11:17 AM
So much awesomeness last night...very disappointed we are so far off from the Season 3 premiere.

I sort of dazed in and out of the Talking Dead show last night. That Drew Carey idiot practically ruined the whole thing. Always good to hear Bob and Gale Ann dish though.

Some stuff I was able to glean:

Merle is coming back!!!
Life size Michonne statue @ SDCC! Have your picture taken as Pet #2!
Haven't forgotten about the helicopter or the dude and his son from Season One.

Blanking on the rest...
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on July 9, 2012, 11:17 AM
Though zombies obviously have some stiffness to them too.  :-X  Rigor mortis and all.

Rigor mortis goes away after a couple of days. . .   ::)

Nah, all I need's a couple minutes.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Phrubruh on July 9, 2012, 11:20 AM
So I hear that during Comic-con, you can pay $75 to be chased by zombies at the Petco park across the street at night. It's called The Walking Dead Escape.

http://www.comicsalliance.com/2012/05/21/the-walking-dead-escape-obstacle-course-comic-con/ (http://www.comicsalliance.com/2012/05/21/the-walking-dead-escape-obstacle-course-comic-con/)
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on July 9, 2012, 11:23 AM
So I hear that during Comic-con, you can pay $75 to be chased by zombies at the Petco park across the street at night. It's called The Walking Dead Escape.

http://www.comicsalliance.com/2012/05/21/the-walking-dead-escape-obstacle-course-comic-con/ (http://www.comicsalliance.com/2012/05/21/the-walking-dead-escape-obstacle-course-comic-con/)

Yes, if you complete the obstacle course you get the SDCC exclusive Walking Dead 100 variant comic.

Estimated time waiting in line for this event: 4.6 hours  ::)
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Phrubruh on July 9, 2012, 01:43 PM
Comic book scalper on ebay:  You would not believe what I had to do to get this exclusive comic book. I had to wait 4 hours in line and then got chased by zombies all over a baseball field. I could have been eat'n man! I risked my life for this book!

Price $200
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: JediJman on July 9, 2012, 01:51 PM
Comic book scalper on ebay:  You would not believe what I had to do to get this exclusive comic book. I had to wait 4 hours in line and then got chased by zombies all over a baseball field. I could have been eat'n man! I risked my life for this book!

Price $200

Funny stuff.  Luckily, I've never been much for paying extra based on the cover alone.  I would love to go check out a Zombie park though....
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: iFett on July 9, 2012, 02:07 PM
The Walking Dead video game they were promoting during commercials looked kinda meh, but a zombie park would be rad...
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt on July 10, 2012, 10:24 AM
The Walking Dead video game they were promoting during commercials looked kinda meh

Have you played it yet?  I played the demo of the first episode and liked it quite a bit, and I usually don't like those types of games.  The reviews for the first two episodes have been pretty positive.  Once all five episodes are out, I'm buying.

And for those that missed it, they also announced a new Walking Dead game last week.  It's an FPS based on the show, revolving around the Dixon brothers making their way toward Atlanta.  Due out sometime next year.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: GrandMoffNick on July 10, 2012, 10:29 AM
I played the first episode and really liked it. I want to know where the story goes.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Force Guy on July 12, 2012, 06:46 PM
And for those that missed it, they also announced a new Walking Dead game last week.  It's an FPS based on the show, revolving around the Dixon brothers making their way toward Atlanta.  Due out sometime next year.

I wonder if the Dixon brothers will speak during the game, and if so, I wonder if Merle will utter racial epithets?
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: CloneF13Y35 on July 12, 2012, 08:13 PM
read a spoiler review of the big 100th issues of the walking dead comic, which is causing quite a stir amongst twd fans regarding who gets killed off...Glenn...gets their brains bashed in.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: iFett on July 12, 2012, 10:11 PM
read a spoiler review of the big 100th issues of the walking dead comic, which is causing quite a stir amongst twd fans regarding who gets killed off...Glenn...gets their brains bashed in.

Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!  He will be missed if that's true...

Guess that's okay since I won't see the next season until it's on dvd.  Anybody at SDCC wanna take a pic of yourself with Michonne and one of her pets?
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on July 12, 2012, 10:18 PM
They are at least 3-4 seasons ahead of where the show is by now, so nothing is happening to anyone anytime soon. Then again, the two are not mirror images and have diverged significantly up to now, and I expect will continue to do so. So who knows?  ;)

Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: CloneF13Y35 on July 13, 2012, 11:25 AM
yeah I had to console a few 'Gleggie - Glen-Maggie' fans about that reminding them the tv show is so far behind the comics, they could go another 2 -3 years/seasons before reaching the same point as the 100th issue. I still think after watching the marathon last weekend the reason they stayed so long on the Farm was due to the changes they made, keeping shane around when he died earlier in the comics and by having Sophia getting lost and ending up a walker, she's still alive in the comics as well as Dale. I also think they felt a need to balance the dysfunctional rick-lori-shane triangle (since shane was still around) by developing the Maggie-glenn story; plus throw in Daryl who isn't even IN the comics at all and THREE episodes dealing with Randal before the zombie attack on the farm.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: JediJman on July 13, 2012, 02:08 PM
I still think after watching the marathon last weekend the reason they stayed so long on the Farm was due to the changes they made, keeping shane around when he died earlier in the comics and by having Sophia getting lost and ending up a walker, she's still alive in the comics as well as Dale.

Not sure where you are in the comic series, but Dale died a while ago.  He was killed in the "Hunters" storyline...

Sad news about G, but I knew they were going to get rid of someone big.  Kirkman has said this is "Rick's story," so you know it isn't him.  Andrea's too interesting/useful and Michonne is too big a fan favorite.  That doesn't leave them with too many other big names, so G was a pretty likely choice.  I'm always a little bummed when a good character dies in WD, but it is a Zombie story and they have to keep it high stakes to keep it interesting.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: CloneF13Y35 on July 13, 2012, 06:33 PM
I still think after watching the marathon last weekend the reason they stayed so long on the Farm was due to the changes they made, keeping shane around when he died earlier in the comics and by having Sophia getting lost and ending up a walker, she's still alive in the comics as well as Dale.

Not sure where you are in the comic series, but Dale died a while ago.  He was killed in the "Hunters" storyline...

Sad news about G, but I knew they were going to get rid of someone big.  Kirkman has said this is "Rick's story," so you know it isn't him.  Andrea's too interesting/useful and Michonne is too big a fan favorite.  That doesn't leave them with too many other big names, so G was a pretty likely choice.  I'm always a little bummed when a good character dies in WD, but it is a Zombie story and they have to keep it high stakes to keep it interesting.

well I've pretty much read through all the trade paperbacks at B&N since I'm outta work so I just read them while I'm there; I must have missed where Dale got killed. So eventhough the comic and tv series are going in slightly different directions, it still follows the same overall path. I'm looking forward to season 3 to see how they portray all the brutality on the show that's in the comics.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Phrubruh on July 17, 2012, 10:47 AM
A full video walkthru runthru of the Walking Dead Escape that was run at Petco Park during ComicCon has been posted. You run thru multiple obsticle courses while dodging zombies. It's about a half hour.

http://www.insidethemagic.net/2012/07/inside-the-walking-dead-escape-unleashing-zombies-on-san-diego-comic-con-with-gruesome-grueling-experience/ (http://www.insidethemagic.net/2012/07/inside-the-walking-dead-escape-unleashing-zombies-on-san-diego-comic-con-with-gruesome-grueling-experience/)
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: JediJman on July 19, 2012, 11:44 PM
FINALLY got Comcast hooked up and now have access to AMC!  Does anyone know if they reply Walking Dead episodes?  I missed all of Season 2 and want to get caught up.  I know they had a marathon a few weeks back - anyone know if they have another on the way?  I thought someone said Comcast had this On Demand as well, but I don't see it under TV series.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: CloneF13Y35 on July 20, 2012, 09:53 AM
FINALLY got Comcast hooked up and now have access to AMC!  Does anyone know if they reply Walking Dead episodes?  I missed all of Season 2 and want to get caught up.  I know they had a marathon a few weeks back - anyone know if they have another on the way?  I thought someone said Comcast had this On Demand as well, but I don't see it under TV series.

not really sure, but I would hope AMC at least runs another marathon in Oct before season 3 starts Oct 24. Season 1 dvd is out now and season 2 comes out in early/mid Oct as well.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Tracy on July 20, 2012, 12:11 PM
FINALLY got Comcast hooked up and now have access to AMC!  Does anyone know if they reply Walking Dead episodes?  I missed all of Season 2 and want to get caught up.  I know they had a marathon a few weeks back - anyone know if they have another on the way?  I thought someone said Comcast had this On Demand as well, but I don't see it under TV series.

not really sure, but I would hope AMC at least runs another marathon in Oct before season 3 starts Oct 24. Season 1 dvd is out now and season 2 comes out in early/mid Oct as well.

Season 2 DVD is set to release August 28th.  If AMC sticks to their usual patterns with their other series, they should run a marathon before Season 3 starts back up.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: JediJman on July 20, 2012, 12:23 PM
Thanks!  I was hoping to catch up sooner, but I guess I've waited this long...
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Force Guy on August 18, 2012, 05:39 PM
With the DVD release of Season 2 coming up next Tuesday, who (Target, Walmart, FYE, etc.) is offering what in terms of promo/bonus stuff (poster, collector card, zombie pencil sharpener, etc.) with the a purchase?  Virex?   
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: JediJman on August 18, 2012, 05:56 PM
Along those lines, does anyone know if there will be a combo Season 1 and 2 box set?
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: CloneF13Y35 on August 18, 2012, 08:08 PM
no idea on either of those questions, best thing to do is check each retailer's website for specific details.  And rejoice for they have finished the first half finale recently; soon to begin on the second half of season 3.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Qui-Gon Jim on August 21, 2012, 04:12 PM
I finished reading through to issue 100 of the comics, and I liked it a lot.  Certainly many "Holy s#it!" moments in it.  I can't wait to see the TV version of The Governor.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on August 28, 2012, 11:27 AM
File this under "Life Imitating Art":

Hershel was recently arrested for DUI in GA.  :(

Let Maggie be the designated driver next time!
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: CloneF13Y35 on August 28, 2012, 08:37 PM
File this under "Life Imitating Art":

Hershel was recently arrested for DUI in GA.  :(

Let Maggie be the designated driver next time!

Ha haha funny man! ;D
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: JediJman on September 3, 2012, 12:03 AM
Did anyone hear about any special offers for the DVD release last week?  I can't seem to find anything beyond the special edition zombie-screwdriver box set.  I didn't buy Season 1 yet, so was hoping to find a box set including both seasons for a good price.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Diddly on September 3, 2012, 08:21 AM
Did anyone hear about any special offers for the DVD release last week?  I can't seem to find anything beyond the special edition zombie-screwdriver box set.  I didn't buy Season 1 yet, so was hoping to find a box set including both seasons for a good price.

None of my local stores even had the set on sale, much less any extras. Cheapest price I saw was at Wal-Mart for $38, Best Buy was $45 and Target $50. And none had the Zombie Head set.

Best Buy did have the special edition of Season 1 on sale for $30 though, but that's it.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Force Guy on September 3, 2012, 10:28 AM
I ended up buying Season 2 on Blu-Ray at Best Buy for $29.99.  They had a couple of Zombie Heads for $69.99.  I'm glad they included the Webisodes on this set.  The deleted scenes are cool, and I feel they should have left in the scene that takes place right after they leave the CDC and head towards the lair of the Vatos. 
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: evenflow on September 3, 2012, 10:47 PM
I bought the zombie head on Amazon, smaller than i had expected but cool enough.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: JediJman on September 29, 2012, 10:15 AM
There are a few Ebay BIN auctions for S2 at just $15 with Free Shipping if anyone is still looking for these.  I was waiting to snag one for about $25-30 on Amazon, but came across these last night.  Score!
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Tracy on October 1, 2012, 11:50 AM
Season 2 is now available on Netflix
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on October 1, 2012, 09:35 PM
There's a new webisode up I guess... saw it on twitter this afternoon.  Gonna go look for it now.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: JediJman on October 1, 2012, 10:04 PM
There's a new webisode up I guess... saw it on twitter this afternoon.  Gonna go look for it now.

Are there multiple webisodes?  Who's in them?  Worth watching?
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on October 2, 2012, 09:51 PM
Last year they did one for the half-woman in the park, kind of explaining how she got there...  At least I THINK that was her IIRC.  This year's I haven't watched yet because I'm torn 30 directions anymore but they're basically little shorts, usually broken up into 4 episodes that create one long story that has little to do with the main characters.

More like, "And here's what was going on here!" kind of a thing.  They're pretty good quality...  Not as good as the show itself, but good.  Sometimes compelling ideas about people's decisions they'd have to make, or the conflicts that could arise for any given survivor just trying to make it to the next day.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: CloneF13Y35 on October 2, 2012, 10:27 PM
season 3 starts Oct 14 and from my tv guide, looks like there will another marathon for some or most of the day leading up to the premier at 9pm! Also, have any of you seen the star wars-walking dead mash up where the group have lightsabers?  some pretty cool designs out there!
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Chris M on October 3, 2012, 09:17 AM
This season's webisodes are pretty good. 

What's cool is although they are outside of the show's storyline, they still have a little tie in with the the main story.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: jedipurge on October 10, 2012, 07:10 PM
season 3 starts Oct 14 and from my tv guide, looks like there will another marathon for some or most of the day leading up to the premier at 9pm! Also, have any of you seen the star wars-walking dead mash up where the group have lightsabers?  some pretty cool designs out there!


wait a minute where'd u see that?
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: iFett on October 10, 2012, 07:24 PM
Sunday ?  acck! Glad I didn't tweak my direcTv contract yet!   :)
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on October 11, 2012, 06:18 PM
Wow, the premier came back around quicker than I thought it would. Excellence!

Hasta la vista, Family Guy....see you On-Demand.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: JediJman on October 12, 2012, 11:35 PM
Argh!  I got my Season 2 DVD, but have only made it through 3 episodes so far.  Definitely not enough time to catch up before Sunday.  I traded in my comcast box for a TiVo card, so don't have On Demand anymore.  We don't get AMC through Comcast, but I did see that Season 2 was On Demand when we first signed up.  We Century Link in another room of the house, but I have no way to record off that signal, so it's watch live or not at all.  Bugger!
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: iFett on October 14, 2012, 08:27 PM
30 minutes   8)
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Diddly on October 14, 2012, 11:35 PM
"Holy ****"
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Hemish on October 15, 2012, 08:57 AM
That was great, the walking through the prison was so tense
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Qui-Gon Jim on October 15, 2012, 09:11 AM
Wow.  So awesome.  I wasn't sure if they'd actually show a decapitation on TV, but they did not disappoint.  That actress IS Michonne. 
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Chris M on October 15, 2012, 09:34 AM
Great episode to start off the season.  It's a shame I have to wait until Sunday to see what's going to happen next.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: CloneF13Y35 on October 15, 2012, 09:39 AM
This was a great episode and a great start to the new season! I was impressed with the better writing, acting and FX, I'd read online accounts about how difficult the production tried to make the prison and interviews with various actors confirmed it was pretty rough. But the end result was a fun-filled thrill ride! And my favorite zombie stomping cyber GF is back in action!
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on October 15, 2012, 10:38 AM
Yeah, that was a really excellent debut, I was only bummed they didn't go for a two hour premier with limited commercial interruptions.

What I Loved:
ALL the zombie killing action...that is the amount of zombie killing that needs to happen every week!
Gas Mask Face-Off Zombie! (no question that gets made into an action figure)
Born-Again-Hard Rick dissing Lori
Carl dissing Lori
Rick hacking off Hershel's leg - that was epically brutal
Michonne!!!

What I didn't love so much:
Lori still being on alive, on the show, etc
Carl/Hershel's daughter burgeoning romance - blecchhh (age difference anyone?)
going through the cell blocks in the dark at the end there? What was the rush?


Not much to complain about, other than the usual. (LORI SUX)

I love how she is able to comprehend that Rick and Carl are mad at her, but she completely fails to grasp the actual reason why. It has nothing to do with her "putting the knife in Rick's hand" - it has everything to do with her reaction AFTER the fact. That she had the AUDACITY to get mad at Rick for doing something SHE SPECIFICALLY ASKED HIM TO DO!!! Damn right dude should be pissed. Carl is just taking his lead.

Those prisoners at the end are going to be fun to watch for the next few weeks.  ;)
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on October 15, 2012, 10:39 AM
ps - did you guys know you cannot get The Walking Dead with the Dish Network?

 ;D
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on October 15, 2012, 11:46 AM
What I didn't love so much:
Lori still being on alive, on the show, etc
Carl/Hershel's daughter burgeoning romance - blecchhh (age difference anyone?)
going through the cell blocks in the dark at the end there? What was the rush?

Carl just has a crush on whats-her-name. If it gets mutual...ick.

Yeah, the rush to secure the whole prison and doing stupid things. It's easy to second guess the characters after the fact, but the dark cell block mess seemed like a potential disaster from the get go...especially when you take the ONLY DOCTOR you have with you when your WIFE IS 9 MONTHS PREGGERS. No reason for Herschel to have gone with them on what amounted to a stumbling around in dark passage ways. And you'd think at this point they'd have learned to be suspicious of any corpse they haven't put down themselves, but success leads to carelessness

Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BillCable on October 15, 2012, 12:14 PM
I never like the "stealth" zombie thing.  If it's not up and moving then it shouldn't be reanimated.  They don't sleep or play dead.  Seems cheap to have a safe corpse attack.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: jedipurge on October 15, 2012, 12:38 PM
That was a beautiful episode.   >:D
Face coming off in gas mask, Hershel's leg lopped off.  Carnage at it's finest.

For the life of I don't know why they didn't just start banging pops n pans together to get the zombies attention and start poking them thru the fence like they already did and pretty successfully.  And another thing if the horde came to the farm because they heard Carl's gunshot why wouldn't they all start coming to the fence when they were picking them off in the field in the first place? 

Bill I agree with you on the "stealth" zombie thing that would almost suggest intelligence/strategie on the zombies part.

Another question in the beginning when they pan out of the zombie eye, how the h3ll can they even see, I know not all of them are like that but in that situation.

Another another question I can understand zombies surviving winter, cuz they're already dead whether they eat or not, but don't the bodies continue to decay and they should basically colapse on themselves as the muscle decays and bones turn brittle?     
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BillCable on October 15, 2012, 12:58 PM
There's no good scientific explanation on how zombies would survive.  I mean, the brain goes to mush way earlier than organs and muscle.

Here's a good analysis of what would really happen to the "walking dead"

http://www.cracked.com/article_18683_7-scientific-reasons-zombie-outbreak-would-fail-quickly.html

So unless the zombie germ instills some form of immunity & preservation to the dead bodies, they wouldn't get far.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: CHEWIE on October 15, 2012, 05:06 PM
I was wondering why in the hell Hershel was with the group as well - it made no sense.  It should have been Rick, Daryl, T-Dog and Glenn - and they should have tried to lure the zombies out instead... but hey, it's a TV show and even in real life, people do stupid things. 

As for Hershel's leg, I'm assuming he'll live... in the books, one guy who does get bit in the jail does die... but also, Dale (who died in Season 2) was bit later, and they cut off his leg, and he lives - so who knows.  I'm assuming Hershel hangs on for a while and gets a peg leg... but man that scene was brutal to say the least. I can't recall seeing anything like it on TV in my entire life.. and that chopping scene rivals, if not beats, anything I've seen in a movie.  Holy ****.

Overall, this episode was fantastic and one of the absolute best - and I like how it's been several months since Season 2 ended, with Lori about to pop, Carl growing up some, etc.  Can't wait for next week.  I'm really looking forward to it.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on October 16, 2012, 09:21 AM
If you think about it, if they are all already infected, why does it matter if you get bitten or not? As long as it's not a fatal wound, seems like you could just patch it up and you'd be good to go. Why does Rick have to cut the leg off? It's not like he's stopping the infection from spreading or anything.

I recall that guy from the first season was in a similar situation and quickly developed a fever, delerium, etc and went downhill fast from there. So maybe it does something to hasten the effect?

The whole morphology of the virus is a little confusing...wish they would spend more time on that aspect.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BillCable on October 16, 2012, 09:37 AM
I was thinking about this and figured there must be some toxin or bacteria in the saliva that causes infection then death.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Qui-Gon Jim on October 16, 2012, 11:18 AM
I think it is midichlorians.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: iFett on October 16, 2012, 11:54 AM
(http://aeryssports.com/the-pulse/files/2012/05/cooties.jpg)
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jedi Idej on October 16, 2012, 08:41 PM
Kinda like a komodo dragon's saliva. Gotta figure a decaying corpse will have all sorts of septic bacteria in its mouth. Could be that the non-fatal bite that eventually kills has nothing to do with the zombie pathogen.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: JediJman on October 16, 2012, 10:00 PM
I think they all are carriers, but the virus itself doesn't drive a change until you die.  Maybe it's a weak strain or antibodies fight it off.  But when someone with a full blown infection gets their fully activated virus into your bloodstream, it overwhelms your defenses and drives the change faster.  Like the CDC guy mentioned, the amount of time that passes before an infected person changes can vary widely.  That would seem to fit with stronger versus weaker immune systems or the amount of active virus that gets into an infected person's bloodstream.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: CloneF13Y35 on October 17, 2012, 09:45 AM
I think they all are carriers, but the virus itself doesn't drive a change until you die.  Maybe it's a weak strain or antibodies fight it off.  But when someone with a full blown infection gets their fully activated virus into your bloodstream, it overwhelms your defenses and drives the change faster.  Like the CDC guy mentioned, the amount of time that passes before an infected person changes can vary widely.  That would seem to fit with stronger versus weaker immune systems or the amount of active virus that gets into an infected person's bloodstream.

that's a really good theory, I've wondered that myself since kirkman has said he's not really going to address the cause of the zombie outbreak in the comics and they've taken that to the series as well.  while it would most def be good to get some kind of explanation, I don't see it happening. Either way, I'm along for the ride as long as it stays entertaining.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: JediJman on October 17, 2012, 02:36 PM
Thanks!   :D  Much as I want to know the cause, I hope they don't ever go there.  It seems pretty unlikely that a small band of survivors would be able to learn any more than what CDC guy was able to figure out with all of his research.  If they did somehow figure it out, I think it would seem somewhat forced and unbelievable at this point.  If they were going to cover it, they needed to do it right away. 

I do think they could come across some scientists or doctors who have a better understanding of how the infection/virus works.  Maybe one of the Governor's people? 

I'm still watching Season 2 on the farm and loving it.  I heard a lot of complaints that it was too slow, but watching on DVD the story seems to be progressing pretty well.  I like that some form of zombies show up at least once an episode.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: CHEWIE on October 17, 2012, 03:22 PM
Yeah, Season 2 was fine.  I don't think it was too slow at all.  It introduced a lot of character development, and really seemed well done to me.  The pace with some slowdowns is what makes this series a little more realistic (as silly as that sounds).  Because this isn't supposed to be a Left 4 Dead video game, it's about how survivors react to the situations, turn on each other, do whatever it takes to protect their family, etc. 
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Sybeck1 on October 17, 2012, 07:25 PM
A bite is fatal and death causes zombication. I guess cutting the leg off stops the infection from getting to the brain.

It is really amazing how strong a bite from a dead person is, I mean it can go through a trouser leg or anything. It seems the ligaments to the jawbone would be so decayed it would fall off. Creative license perhaps? Like when one ripped Dale's stomach open. Would decayed hands be that strong. Oh, well it is great entertainment.

Herschel is seventy. It seems they would keep him back for shooting and not melee fighting. We have a death coming up according to the grave in the preview. I say it will not be Herschel, but I go into the Death Pool that it will be the little blonde parakeet next.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on October 17, 2012, 08:20 PM
Dale's stomach thing was brought up and the producers said they can rip you apart due to their fingers being worn down to sort of claws...  if that helps explain it.  *shrug*

I agree with CHEWIE, etc., that Season 2 was fine IMO...  To me this isn't the Dawn of the Dead remake...  this isn't about Zombie massacres IMO.  It's about story and plot.  I was fine with Season 2.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: iFett on October 18, 2012, 01:46 PM
From FB:

3. season premiere: 10.9 million total viewer
2. season finale: 9 million total viewer
2. mid-season premiere: 8.1 million total viewer
2. season premiere: 7.3 million total viewer
2. mid-season finale: 6.6 million total viewer
1. season finale: 6 million total viewer
1. season premiere: 5.4 million total viewer
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on October 18, 2012, 06:34 PM
The season 3 premiere did even better than that...  It had like 16 million if you counted those that watched the 2nd airing immediately after the first.  It's insane numbers for cable, or so I'm told.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BillCable on October 18, 2012, 07:06 PM
Highest rated show ages 18-49 on any network (http://www.deadline.com/2012/10/the-walking-dead-return-shatters-more-basic-cable-ratings-records/)

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The Walking Dead’s Season 3 opener now ranks as the most-watched drama telecast in basic cable history.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Chris M on October 19, 2012, 07:14 AM
If these ratings hold, I wonder if it would warrant a full 20-24 episode season 4?
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on October 19, 2012, 08:56 AM
The most interesting thing about those numbers to me is the fact the despite the startling success, none of the major networks have tried to blatantly rip this show off yet. That is incredible, given how stupid and uncreative network programming is. It's like they're all just conceding that they can't do anything remotely that good so why even try?

And they'd be right too.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BillCable on October 19, 2012, 09:42 AM
Revolution has the post-apocalyptic, family trying to survive thing going on.  That's probably the closest copy-cat.  Even if it looked very g-rated silly in the promos.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jeff on October 19, 2012, 09:47 AM
The CW tried out a zombie drama pilot (http://www.deadline.com/2011/01/cw-makes-last-minute-spec-buy-with-zombie-drama-from-canadian-writers/) last fall, but ultimately passed on it.  Like Bill said, the networks would be too limited in the gore/violence they could show to really copy the show too closely.

I coudl see someone like Showtime/Starz taking a whack at it though if the popularity holds out...
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BillCable on October 19, 2012, 10:14 AM
I've been reading some interesting stuff about that.  The FCC only can censor for nudity/sex/profanity - not gore.  So in theory the networks could air the Walking Dead if they wanted.  They just don't have the balls, yet.  But given the ratings and accolades for shows like WD and Game of Thrones, they probably will step up eventually.  I do recall quite a few gory moments from Heroes.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on October 19, 2012, 11:28 AM
Revolution has the post-apocalyptic, family trying to survive thing going on.  That's probably the closest copy-cat.  Even if it looked very g-rated silly in the promos.

Yeah, that seemed like an obvious copycat to me too, but of The Hunger Games. (Tween girl with bow and arrow, how original)

I agree there was a good bit of gore in Heroes.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on October 19, 2012, 12:04 PM
There was Gore in Futurama, too.  ;)
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BillCable on October 19, 2012, 12:29 PM
Well yeah... there is some gore that isn't suitable for broadcast TV...
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: JediJman on October 19, 2012, 11:22 PM
I really can't see the gore as an issue given some of what I've seen on things like CSI and copycat crime shows.  Heck, some of the murder mystery stuff from 20-20 is pretty awful and that's based in realty.  Shows like Supernatural and Grimm have had some shocking material as well.  I think  WD stands out because of the character development - that's what other shows seem to struggle to replicate.  I'm looking at you Revolution.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BrentS on October 21, 2012, 01:08 PM
Well, I bit the bullet and watched the first episode of The Walking Dead on Netflix yesterday. I've resisted thus far as I'm not really a "zombie guy". I also don't usually enjoy watching movies about people suffering (I'm much more of a campy feel good kind of guy) which I think this show will be about.

However, too many people keep raving about this show. I liked the first episode but I'm not sure if I'm hooked. I will watch through Season 1 before I make up my mind  ;)
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Angry Ewok on October 21, 2012, 11:01 PM
Just watched Episode 1 and 2... Not bad.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Diddly on October 21, 2012, 11:35 PM
ZOMBIE PANTIES
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on October 22, 2012, 03:01 AM
Yeah, the grossest thing of the night was a slight shot of zombie panties.  Crazy stuff.

I wonder why Glenn, instead of popping the 7 or so at the fence, decides instead to draw them away...  Stick 'em and be done with it.

I'm going to say right now that I don't believe those silencers would work either.  I want to see those actually physically explained because I just don't see that working out like that.

I was quite pleased with Rick's decision on their new friends.  I enjoyed watching that.  I think that would've happened long before the point it did if I was in that situation.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Angry Ewok on October 22, 2012, 07:39 AM
I'm going to say right now that I don't believe those silencers would work either.  I want to see those actually physically explained because I just don't see that working out like that.

I missed the part where they found the suppressors but I'm not going to lie that when they busted in the door popping off silenced shots the gun nut in me wanted to puke.

My favorite part was the riot gear zombies.

The survivors should find more of those shields and start forming a testudo.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Sybeck1 on October 22, 2012, 08:36 AM
Doesn't it seem a deputy sherriff would know where a prison is? Let alone not have such a big landmark on the map they have. Anyway I believe Carol watcher is another prisoner. We saw see.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: evenflow on October 22, 2012, 09:27 AM
Thought it was a filler episode to be honest. Wasn't that great. I am going with Merryl as the watcher.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on October 22, 2012, 09:40 AM
Good stuff, again. LOVED the machete to the head. But yeah, they should have just executed them all on the spot. Born-again-hard Rick should have seen that coming a mile away.

At least they let the weasely little white guy live. Nothing to worry about with that dude, I'm sure.  :-X

Don't get Carol's sense of urgency about the cadaver practice. That's more important than Glenn watching Hersel? please.

Glad he did not die zombify or die outright. Good luck finding those crutches though.

Carol-watcher will have to be someone from the Governor's camp. Otherwise how will they ever meet up? Andrea sure isn't going to tip them off.

As much as I enjoy seeing Lori get psychologically b*tch-slapped by Rick, those scenes are hard to watch. Ugh. It's going to be all season with those two too.

Just cannot wait to see bayonet-hand Merle next week! That looks like an incredibly awesome episode!
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on October 22, 2012, 11:20 AM
I'd have told the cons to get hell out and don't come back (maybe even lie to them and tell them Atlanta is safe). The "clear a cell block for you" was totally stupid. I'm not Rick, though. I tought he was harsh to let Andrew the baseball bat con get eaten, tough he was probably still a threat as long as he's around. The two remaining, not sure what's gonna happen there, maybe some false direction...the squirrely white guy will be trouble and the quieter tough looking guy be decent.

Also, 5 guys who were stuck in cafeteria for better part of a year would be near crazy, I'd think. I'm not sure why any of them would want to stay in prison. They damn sure would not be so neat looking...was the barber shop in there, too?
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BillCable on October 22, 2012, 11:38 AM
Dude's beard was exceptionally well-groomed.  Maybe that's what they did to keep busy.   ;D

I think Rick still tries to be fundamentally decent until such time as he deems it unwise or unsafe.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Greg on October 22, 2012, 11:42 AM
Terrific episode. I liked that the pacing did not let up at all. Rick dealing with the prisoners was top-notch, and I felt it was a defining moment for the character and the show. I look forward to seeing what develops with the other two prisoners... I'm hoping Axel (white guy) stays true to the comics but I'm also prepared for changes, as I always am at this point.

Also, 5 guys who were stuck in cafeteria for better part of a year would be near crazy, I'd think. I'm not sure why any of them would want to stay in prison. They damn sure would not be so neat looking...was the barber shop in there, too?

I feel like normal people getting forced into that situation (staying in 1 room w/ four others) would go crazy, but those guys were in prison. They were probably well acquainted to sharing confined spaces with others for long periods of time. And as for grooming, if they made this work:

(http://www.unitedprison.com/images/shopcart/image_35.jpg)

I'm sure they did just fine using pots and pans as mirrors and cutlery to shave.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Angry Ewok on October 22, 2012, 01:39 PM
It was hilarious when the convicts went shanking at the zombies and Rick told 'em that prison **** didn't work on undead. My guess is the two remaining bad guys are never seen from again, or they're quick redshirts for next episode.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: CHEWIE on October 22, 2012, 02:12 PM
I hope they follow along with the comics for the remaining convicts, at least for the most part.  I also kind of wish the "non violent criminal" guy was among them, guess they decided not to go that route like in the comics.  Makes sense though, because with the show, there's less of Hershel's family around... and it's completely different with Andrea being separate from the group, looks like she'll be the one at Woodbury instead of certain other individuals like in the comic. Who knows though.  This is really a fun ride and I'm glad they don't follow the comics 100%, otherwise there would be no surprises for people like me.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: iFett on October 22, 2012, 02:38 PM
I actually live in Woodbury.....MN   8)
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on October 22, 2012, 02:42 PM
I liked the episode...  I didn't consider it fluff really, but character development for Rick/Darryl's relationship some, and how the "fight the dead, fear the living" motto is a major point of this season.

Carol Watcher was weird...  I was thinking from the town or something too, but I'm thinking a loose prisoner, even worse than the dude we saw dealt with, is out there.

I'd kind of liked to have seen some of the prisoners accepted and become useful people.  Big Tiny especially.  Big dude would've been a big help if you're using ancient military tactics.

Brad, I couldn't agree more on riot shields...  You can't deny, it works.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: CHEWIE on October 22, 2012, 05:28 PM
I agree Jesse, this wasn't a fluff episode.   If all this show consisted of was killing zombies, it would get old fast.  Instead, they pace it and throw some action in here and there, making the action scenes all the more exciting.

As for the prisoners, I think there's a good chance we'll see some usefullness out of at least one of them.  And I was pulling for the big black dude to become part of the team - seemed like a cool guy, and strong as a mammoth.  What a shame...
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: CloneF13Y35 on October 22, 2012, 07:37 PM
I picked up the first issue of the official walking dead magazine today, they explain how they are going to veer the tv show in a slightly different direction than the comics. I thought this was another good episode, and I loved how Rick just went batfart crazy on Thomas and chased the other guy, though I wondered what if he got lost in doing so but he made it back without a problem. Now the part with Carl who showed up with a duffel bag full of medical supplies only to have non-observant mommy chastise him for doing so just pushed them further apart. I was glad they didn't have poor old Hershel zombie up this episode so hopefully he'll stick around in a good way for a while.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on October 22, 2012, 07:39 PM
Other possible Carol Watcher, and I didn't even think about this, is Merl...  I'm shocked this isn't the first thing I thought about.  He's out there.  He's creepy.  He'd recognize Carol I imagine, and not want to just go up to her.  I'm now going Merl with this one.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Angry Ewok on October 22, 2012, 08:17 PM
Brad, I couldn't agree more on riot shields...  You can't deny, it works.

Obviously there's no history buff nerd in the group. Testudo or phalanx that bitch all the way down the hallway.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on October 22, 2012, 08:49 PM
I'm glad they found the prison laundry room so they can put those broads to work.  :D

Daryl: "Carol, stop carving corpses like they was pumkins and wersh my socks!"
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Diddly on October 23, 2012, 12:29 AM
The Carol Watcher isn't Meryl... they showed a preview of next week's episode during Talking Dead (a truly horrible show that I'm not sure why I even watch) and Meryl somehow winds up capturing Andrea and Michonne. Didn't recognize him at first but the TD host nearly had an orgasm after the clip screaming "MERYL MERYL OMG!!!!!!!" afterwards, so I'm ruling him out.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on October 23, 2012, 01:30 AM
That would be Chris Hardwick from "The Nerdist" which does a lot of Star Wars ****...  actually seems like a pretty cool guy, if not a spazz.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: iFett on October 23, 2012, 12:58 PM
Wasn't he a host on Double Dare or something like that?  Oh and don't stare at his neck...
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on October 23, 2012, 03:19 PM
He hosted a dating program.  I forget the DD hose but picture him perfectly.

Chris Hardwick hosted a show like Singled Out or something like that, which was like a modern version of shows like Love Connection, but always had people getting in hottubs and banging.

He was then in House of a 1000 Corpses.

Now he's on The Nerdist...  It's got stuff to do with various Star Wars projects I think, they talk about nerdy ****, etc.  And then he hosts Talking Dead.  I have to admit I kind of like it because he often has a producer on who will explain their intent with something clearly.  Like Shane getting back up they attributed to his healthy nature, so comes back faster and stronger than a typical zombie.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Tracy on October 23, 2012, 03:24 PM
I just thought it was because Shane was such a dick and well on his way to being a mindless being devouring all who get in his way

And I love Chris Hardwick!  Just caught his stand-up on Comedy Central (I had no idea)
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: CloneF13Y35 on October 28, 2012, 10:37 AM
Can't wait for tonight's episode, and the introduction of the Gov'nuh! Looks good so far and the new season is moving along at a very entertaining pace.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on October 28, 2012, 01:31 PM
Anyone watch RISE OF THE ZOMBIES last night on SyFy. One of those Asylum movies where it's entertaining to watch c-list actors (I almost felt sorry for Levar Burton) and bad special effects.  The undead could climb up the side of the Golden Gate bridge but couldn't climb over a 6-foot high chain link fence. It was terrible. The idiotic characters in the movie made even the most worthless person on the Walking Dead look like Ash from Evil Dead by comparison.

Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: JediJman on October 28, 2012, 03:33 PM
I did not catch it, but good to hear that I didn't miss anything.

Just to be clear - you're not ripping on Evil Dead Ash are you?  Them's fightin' words.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on October 28, 2012, 08:46 PM
I did not catch it, but good to hear that I didn't miss anything.

Just to be clear - you're not ripping on Evil Dead Ash are you?  Them's fightin' words.

Was me English that bad? No, Ash Williams is the ideal horror movie hero (Though, I never saw the first Evil Dead). The characters in Rise of the Zombies were so freaking stupid they made the worst/most unlikable characters on Walking Dead look like badasses (like Ash). The movie even made Danny Trejo look like a chump. Danny Trejo killing zombies sounds great, then he croaks 45 minutes in...spoiler...oh well.

I saw the last half movie on before it, Zombie Apocalypse. Starring Ving Rhames...how could you?  They fire a 50 caliber machine gun on  a shopping cart...somehow I don't think that would work.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Angry Ewok on October 28, 2012, 10:04 PM
Good episode, tonight. Haven't read the comics so the new guy is freakin' me out.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on October 28, 2012, 10:27 PM
SPOILERS

They built the gov'nuh as too-good-to-be-true friendly, then suspicious then revealed his intentions then....went too crazy too quick.  The end was a bit over-the-top...dare I say, comic booky.

So did the pilot die or did he have him killed? Hmmm...a living pilot might be useful than say, an untrusting pissed off woman and a sickly woman who asks a lot of questions.

Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on October 29, 2012, 09:23 AM
Yeah, they've taken an interesting interpretation of the Governor, very different from the comics. Dude is NOT supposed to be some strapping handsome guy. Seems like a stretch for Andrea to fall in line just like that.

Loved the headless pets. Loved bayonet-hand Merle. Still trying to figure out the effeminate lackey and how they are trying to play that character.

Walker-quarium?!?! Huh?

Why DO they care so much about Andrea and Michonne, and for that matter, Daryl? What's the point of trying to get information out of them? Even knowing the location of the farmhouse would be useless now because the prison is way far away.

Carol-watcher still a mystery...
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on October 29, 2012, 01:02 PM
Maybe we'll see Zombie Joanna.

Maybe it's a ploy to escape Woodbury, even though they supposedly can leave anytime.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Morgbug on October 29, 2012, 06:45 PM
... even though they supposedly can leave anytime.

Knowing what we do about the Governor I'm thinking Woodbury is kind of like Hotel California. 
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Angry Ewok on October 29, 2012, 07:27 PM
... even though they supposedly can leave anytime.

Knowing what we do about the Governor I'm thinking Woodbury is kind of like Hotel California.

Hell yeah.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on October 30, 2012, 11:20 PM
The new guy's a scientisty guy, studying the zombies for cures or what advantages they can get...  He's been used as an example of someone in the town that's not all bad, and that it's as conflicted a group as the main group is/was.  At least that was how things were said online about him on the WD site.

I thought the killing of the men was brutal and somehow, in this whole mess, it's been one of the harder sequences for me to watch.  I mean, I was pissed watching it which is silly but it still evoked that from me.

I think finding Darryl is just Merle's personal journey...  Think he honestly cares for/about him.  That'll play out interestingly.  And to that end I think he wants to know where the farm was for A) supply purposes B) to maybe pick up his brothers trail, and C) he wants revenge on anyone who MAY have lived in the group that he didn't like.  He seemed to honestly not mind Andrea and, like everyone else, Merle's another conflicted guy who doesn't hate everyone, just most everyone, and he's got his own morality.

This is one of the deeper series on TV I think, and really fascinates me.  I'm now really curious who Carol Watcher was/is.  :)  It's surely a threat, whoever it is.

This show gets better every week.

I thought Michonne's acting was a bit meh though.

Oh, and I am guessing they like Andrea and Michonne because they seem competent, useful people, plus they're women and women would be almost like another "supply" to some men, as society degenerated like it has.  Again I think that's why the men get killed...  they're a threat, and a drain on resources, when they have a "team" to already do that.

As a soldier unit they'd be allied to one another, closely.  They're all trained physically and with weapons.  And they're less useful than a couple women you think you can control and manipulate.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jeff on October 30, 2012, 11:55 PM
And to that end I think he wants to know where the farm was for...
...and C) he wants revenge on anyone who MAY have lived in the group that he didn't like.

Like maybe the prick Sherriff who handcuffed him to a pipe and left him to die?  :-X  ;)
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on October 30, 2012, 11:58 PM
And T-Dawg...  I think Glen was there too and didn't help much. :)  He's pissed I'm sure.

I figure he's got his own reasons for wanting the farm, the governor has his, and then they maybe have some combined reasons for wanting to go there.  At the very least they may have inferred from Andrea's blabbing that it was at least a potential stronghold of supplies that got overrun, so they'd want to at least check that out.  Merle's gonna be all about revenge as a character though, and I think if he has a death in the series it'll be from that aspect of his character.

Rick's not one to cuff you and come back for you anymore, that's for sure. :)
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: CloneF13Y35 on November 4, 2012, 12:42 PM
I'm interested in seeing what happens when Merle and Daryl finally meet up - will it be a reunion or a disastrous confrontation?
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Diddly on November 4, 2012, 09:40 PM
T-DOG NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Tracy on November 4, 2012, 09:59 PM
HOLY ****balls!!!   :o :o  Never was a big fan of hers - but ghee whiz!!!


I wonder if Carol-watcher has Carol now..........
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Angry Ewok on November 4, 2012, 11:29 PM
Good show. Can't believe what happened to T-Doggy.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on November 4, 2012, 11:42 PM
T-Dawg!  :'(

 Lori.  :-\

All because Rick assumed too much...assumed Andrew got munched.

Carol MIA? What?

Michonne is closer to solving this mystery, all she needs is an anthropromorphic dog.

Wasted a lottt of ammo...I don't know if I'd bother to try and shoot the alarm speakers.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on November 5, 2012, 04:07 AM
Are you SURE it's all because Rick let Andrew "go" more or less?  I'm not so sure on that.  :)  I'm not so sure Andrew was that clever, to have been the unseen guy at the beginning.  I think Carol Watcher may be out there.  I thoroughly enjoy that Carol Watcher is now what everyone calls the unseen guy.

2 down, but 2 added, and maybe more useful, though T-Dog's hard to replace despite not having a ton of lines.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BillCable on November 5, 2012, 08:22 AM
I think "Carol-watcher" was Andrew.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on November 5, 2012, 10:01 AM
I think "Carol-watcher" was Andrew.

No question...Carol-watcher was definitely Andrew.

But now we have to wonder about wtf happened to Carol? I just assumed that was who the 2 zombies were munching on when they found her head scarf. But after watching "Talking Dead" I guess we are supposed to not know one way or the other. Makes sense I guess, unless they show someone die they are likely to resurface. But why even make a mystery out of it? The writers have to get them OUT of that prison and into Woodbury, so anything like a missing person seems to work against that. And we've already done the missing person ad nauseam with Sophia and even Andrea. So I don't see the point in dragging that out.

I'm back to not liking Andrea again. How did she get so soft again in just 8 months? She was way down on Shane's end of the survivor spectrum, all bitterness and anger, now she's all ready to settle down and play house with the Guvnah? You're pulling the wool over your own eyes, girl!

Carl, Lori, Rick and Maggie were all outstanding last night. That was just one of the most emotionally wrenching things I have seen on TV in a long time. Just utterly brutal. The whole thing was played perfectly...Lori's sobering realization, Carl's reaction, Maggie's quick action to save the baby.

Lori's little speech to Carl was heartbreaking to me, especially as a parent. You've got thirty seconds to spend with your child knowing you're about to die and what do you say? How do you sum up everything going through your head in a few heartfelt sentences? Agonizing.

I disliked her character, but that was some great acting on her part last night, and I'm almost sorry to see her go.

Rick's reaction at the end was so torturously tragic too, physically torn between rushing back into the prison or hugging Carl, and ultimately just collapsing under the unbearable weight of realization. That was really powerful.

Out of nowhere, this was one of the best episodes EVER.

Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: jedipurge on November 5, 2012, 12:56 PM
that was the most gut-wrenching episode EVER, get it gut wrenching  >:D
Seriously tho, never woulda thot 2 main characters gone in same episode.  glad to see tho that T-dog got a hero's death.  and in the end that lori's death was almost redeeming her for the biatch she's been i almost felt pity/sorrow for her.  That has to be the best most suspensful TV ever and i'd go as far as more suspeseful then any movie i've seen as well.  I'm almost wondering if Carl actually killed Lori, he might not have and we'll see her walkin around.  could be like the first episodes of first season when Rick's savior tried to kill his zombie wife but just couldn't do it.  CAN'T FREAKIN WAIT TILL SUNDAY!!!!
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on November 5, 2012, 01:14 PM
Rewatching the ending, Rick's emotional break down almost sounds like he's laughing at some points. It's not unrealistic, but its funny after the fact.

I agree that Andrew didn't seem that clever (and just how long was he surviving on the outside?) to pull all that off alone, but that means we are left with a mystery man messing with the group for whatever reason...not sure I'd want something like that to drag out.

They stole the guvnah's golf ball hitting a zombie from DAWN OF THE DEAD remake (unless it was in the comic first)
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Chris M on November 5, 2012, 01:39 PM
As a husband and a father, that episode was as many are saying, gut wrenching. 

I didn't see Lori getting knocked off that way.  I thought they had deviated enough from the comics she might live on for a long while after. (I have only read a few summaries of them).  I can only imagine the pain Rick is going through and how it will affect his character in the future.

This was one of the best episodes IMO.  My wife is not a fan of the series, but just kind of watches out of the corner of her eye and she was shocked by the way it ended last night.

And, I hated seeing T-Dog get it. 
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: jedipurge on November 5, 2012, 06:46 PM
ya it was fantastic acting for Rick, can't remember his real name, his reaction to the realization that she was dead and the fact that Carl was the one that plugged her.  You could really feel his pain if he doesn't get an emmy something is just wrong with this world.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Qui-Gon Jim on November 7, 2012, 08:21 AM
Didn't see the episode on Sunday, and TWD's Facebook totally spoiled the ending.  Grrr!

This was such a fantastic hour of TV.  If Andrew Lincoln is not at least in the Emmy discussion...

I was sad, but not shocked to see T-Dawg come to an end.  As edgy as this show is, I don't think even they would want to veer into what a racist (Merle) would do to an African American, and it is inevitable that the prison crew collides with the Woodbury crew soon.  It would either come off disingenuous and out of character, or they would have surely made some headlines.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BillCable on November 7, 2012, 08:34 AM
I don't know... there's already a black guy on Merle's Woodbury security team (the one eying up Michonne when she arrived).  So I don't see that playing out like you expected.

Funny how as soon as they had a new black guy to take his place in the group, they offed T-Dog.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Greg on November 7, 2012, 08:42 AM
I was sad, but not shocked to see T-Dawg come to an end.  As edgy as this show is, I don't think even they would want to veer into what a racist (Merle) would do to an African American, and it is inevitable that the prison crew collides with the Woodbury crew soon.  It would either come off disingenuous and out of character, or they would have surely made some headlines.

I thought about the possible Merle/T-Dog meeting, but watching the third episode I realized Merle might have been forced to overcome (or at least stow away) his racism to work with the Governor. I know there was one prominent black guy in the Governor's group, along with a couple of hispanic guys, that Merle was working with. I did expect Merle and T-Dog to inevitably meet, so the events in the last episode were definitely an unexpected curve ball.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Qui-Gon Jim on November 7, 2012, 02:16 PM
I don't think I was exactly clear...  What I meant was the Merle character would clearly want to kill T-Dog and Rick for what they did to him.  In a society where Terry Bradshaw gets in trouble for mentioning fried chicken, I'd imagine that someone would be "offended" that a "racist" character (even if he's not racist anymore) killed a black man.  If Merle had come back to the fold and NOT wanted to kill T-Dog, and not even for just purely racial reasons, then that would be silly.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BillCable on November 7, 2012, 02:37 PM
Gotcha.  I think that'd fall under the "we're trying to be realistic" defense and wouldn't cause much of an uproar.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Sybeck1 on November 11, 2012, 11:41 PM
Was that Merle that Maggie had a gun drawn on in next week's preview?
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Angry Ewok on November 11, 2012, 11:43 PM
Excellent. My post erases itself.

Anyone else feel there's ****** editing or major plotholes with the three graves being dug and filled in?
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Chris M on November 11, 2012, 11:58 PM
Excellent. My post erases itself.

Anyone else feel there's ****** editing or major plotholes with the three graves being dug and filled in?

I'm curious as well.  Obviously T-Dogg's body was recovered.  You can make a case for Lori's, even though there is nothing to indicate they went in to get it.  You would think the third would be for Carol, but there is no evidence to indicate she's dead other than the wrap she had been wearing.  You would think they'd say something.  Maybe Talking Dead will give a clue.  Next week stands to be interesting though.

Maybe the third grave is for Hershel's leg...they don't want it reanimating and starting a one legged butt kicking contest.  (My lame attempt at humor after a long weekend).
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on November 12, 2012, 12:24 AM
Director Greg Nicotero said that the bloated zombie Rick kills had eaten Lori, meaning her grave is empty...very strange. This means the walker sought out her body, maybe opened a door...or Maggie and Carl left it open?

Michonne is fearless, but in an occassional dumb way...leaving the book open...killing those walkers.

Solar powered walker magnet?

The guvnah's girl...he's the bad parts of Hershel and Rick rolled into one.

Waiting for someone to show up alive with Carol that shouldn't be alive...no idea...but what else is the point of that part?
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Angry Ewok on November 12, 2012, 06:32 AM
We are supposed to believe the single zombie ate the entire corpse in less than 24 hours, bones and all? Woah, that's dumb.

And surely they wouldn't dig a full sized grave to bury a leg? Dumbasses.

Or a full size grave dug and filled in for someone completely consumed AND someone simply missing?

The whole thing is stupid.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BillCable on November 12, 2012, 07:53 AM
In a post-apocalyptic world burying when you can burn is a ridiculous choice.  It was done for one reason - ceremony.  Honor their dead.  And if they're gonna dig one useless grave, might as well dig 3.

But yeah - pretty dumb.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Angry Ewok on November 12, 2012, 07:57 AM
These Yankee producers need a Southron boy like myself to step in and say, "That there is stupid."
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Greg on November 12, 2012, 09:00 AM
In a post-apocalyptic world burying when you can burn is a ridiculous choice.  It was done for one reason - ceremony.  Honor their dead.  And if they're gonna dig one useless grave, might as well dig 3.

But yeah - pretty dumb.

I think in Season 1 someone mentioned the group buries the ones they loved, and burns the rest... I'm guessing since there was nothing left of two people they intended to bury (Carol and Lori) they just put their possessions in the graves.

As for the rest of the episode, I enjoyed it. They pulled off Penny and the fighting arena really well. The only things I dislike about the show are the pacing and ambiguous fates for characters. I'm still used to full episodes of Rick's group, so I feel shortchanged when those characters wind up with half an episode due to Woodbury... and they need to stop with the offscreen/ambiguous deaths. Did Carl really shoot Lori? Did Lori really get eaten? Is Carol really dead? After the Andrew incident I'm a skeptic about every death on the show... if they don't show it happen, the character is still alive!
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on November 12, 2012, 09:09 AM
Another strong episode, this whole season has been terrific so far. I love the opening juxtaposition of the people in Woodbury drinking their ice tea and kicking back while everything is unravelling over at the prison.

The 3 graves would be for Lori, T-Dog and Carol, but I agree that it seems odd everyone is so willing to believe Carol is dead when there is no real evidence at all. On the other hand, WTF would she be? She's been gone awhile by now.

The scene with Michonne taking out the walkers was insanely awesome. The boot stomp in particular was frigging excellent. She really doesn't seem to try too hard to make a compelling case for leaving though. No mention (again) of the blood or bullet holes in the vehicle, all the stuff from the Governor's office, etc. Kinda hard to blame Andrea for not being convinced.

And oh yeah, Walker Arena!!! Not what I was expecting...was kind of hoping they would unchain the zombies and go for some kind of Thunderdome-esque free-for-all, but instead we just got Merle and some other dope pummeling themselves. Glad to see Andrea was appalled though, seems like the impetus she needed to get the hell out now. Nice nod to the comics on that one too.

Rick is in a pretty bad place, it's hard to watch. I gotta call BS on two things though: there is no way that walker ate ALL of Lori, sorry just not possible. Explain how he swallowed that femur please. And come on - the PHONES STILL WORK?!?!

Nice moment to end the episode on and all, but yeah, call routing would be the first thing to go and you can't generate your own internal dial tone with no power.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: efranks on November 12, 2012, 09:52 AM
You're watching a show about zombies and you're picking apart telephones and whether or not one could eat a whole body?  The entire show is based off physical near impossibilities...

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Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on November 12, 2012, 10:53 AM
I was actually just kidding about the phones, I know where they are going with that.   ;)

But yeah, you can't swallow a leg bone. It's all about suspension of disbelief. People are always more willing to buy a "Big Lie" than a smaller one. I can rationalize dead people re-animating, but gulping down an entire rib cage? Not so much.

I agree given the overall context it's a rather absurd thing to comment on, but that's the beauty of the internet!
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BillCable on November 12, 2012, 11:34 AM
You're not gonna swallow a leg bone... you're gonna chew it up!  Absent pain receptors in your jaw you could easily grind up any bone except for other teeth.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: jedipurge on November 12, 2012, 12:52 PM
true, but  how're u gonna naw on a skull
i think carl didn't shoot her and that she has reanimated into a zombie, and that is why she hasn't been on Talking Dead yet cuz we'll be seeing her again.
the engorged zombie fed on her as much he could and she came back to "life" and walked away.  I think it'll be like a season finale kinda thing that we see her at the end.

Or i could be wrong maybe they did go back and recover what was left of Laurie and buried her, and that's why don't see anything.

between Rick hacking at walkers and Michonne cutting that F'er in half I'm not sure what was best
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: efranks on November 12, 2012, 01:07 PM
Can I just say that Michonne is a complete badass.  I'd watch a show just about her. 

I also don't understand why Michonne didn't give Andrea any info on what she found...but then we've seen these people make a lot of stupid decisions about things.  There seems to be a pattern.  Even the military guys letting a bunch of red necks get the jump on them was stupid.  You're in the Zombie Apocalypse and you don't set a perimeter guard while waiting for your airborne recon to come back?

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Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on November 12, 2012, 01:11 PM
I assumed the phone was Rick going crazy like Charlton Heston in The Omega Man "There is no ringing!"

No, it doesn't make sense one walker completely ate Lori...but now that I think about it...where there was one there may have been many. That's just the one that hung around after eating too much.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Morgbug on November 12, 2012, 01:48 PM

On the other hand, WTF would she be? She's been gone awhile by now.

Not the way I see it in terms of length of time.  Think about it: end of preceding episode, Rick was collapsing because Lori is dead.  Start of this episode, Rick is on the ground completely dazed then goes batshit, grabs the axe and goes into the prison.  By the end of the episode it's only just getting dark as the baby formula hunters return (I was sure we were going to see infant zombies...).  That means Carol's only been out of touch with the group for about 12 hours at most.  She could have easily holed up in a cell for the duration of that time.  I do think the group thinks she's dead but I'm not so sure. 

The Woodbury timeline seemed about the same too, only a portion of a single day in length, with Michonne leaving just before dark and then the 'entertainment' at Woodbury being in the evening. 

None of that means Carol is alive, but the timeline certainly would allow for it. 
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BillCable on November 12, 2012, 02:41 PM
If I might pick a nit... I was rolling my eyes as they fed the newborn baby at the end.  At that age a baby drinks 2-3 ounces of formula at a time.  They gave her a full toddler bottle... like 12 ounces.

And those two cans of formula will last maybe a week if they're lucky...

Parent rant over.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Tracy on November 12, 2012, 05:29 PM
If I might pick a nit... I was rolling my eyes as they fed the newborn baby at the end.  At that age a baby drinks 2-3 ounces of formula at a time.  They gave her a full toddler bottle... like 12 ounces.

And those two cans of formula will last maybe a week if they're lucky...

Parent rant over.

Though I never bottle-fed my babies I thought the same thing!  I said to my hubby - there's way too much in that bottle - they just wasted a ton of formula.  I did get a kick out of seeing Uncle Daryl coo and aww over her though.........
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: JediJman on November 12, 2012, 06:00 PM
Finally found a site where I can watch online.  Just need to get caught up with E3 & E4....
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: iFett on November 12, 2012, 07:41 PM
I kinda miss life on the farm.  Things are moving too quickly and too many main characters dying off....I enjoy all the violence though - don't get me wrong.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on November 12, 2012, 09:12 PM
Speaking of waste. They've wasted too much ammo recently...including Rick's breakdown. They'll be down to a bb gun in a week at this rate. Nah...they probably left the BB gun at the store. Realistically someone should be armed with like a .22, because those are common. Might take more than one shot to kill a walker. But in situations where you had the time...it beats louder .45...Rick should be almost deaf now...no wonder he hears ringing.



Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Angry Ewok on November 13, 2012, 07:33 AM
It'll kill a man, a stray .22 killed my great grandpa squirrel hunting, but that rimfire stuff only works 70% of the time or less. Hell, go to a rifle range and see how much unspent .22 is laying around where folks had to eject it.

By this time, they'd have been hand reloading or at least picking up shell casings with that thought in mind.

I gave up on the guns making sense this season when the eight year old walked in with a suppressor with wires dangling out of the slide.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Tracy on November 13, 2012, 08:22 AM
When I first saw Rick walk in to "the birthing room" - for lack of a better term - and Lori was gone, I saw the blood trail and then heard the walker, my first thought was "Oh no, Carl didn't do it, and now she's turned and Rick is going to have to shoot her - this just keeps getting worse and worse".  Even when they first showed the walker with the bloated belly and he put the gun in it's mouth I thought it was Lori - I was so stunned I had to rewind to look at the walker's features/hair again because I was looking at Rick.  Then when he started hacking into it's belly looking for her - I kept thinking of when they were looking for Sophia and Darly cut the walker open and found the squirrel.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: name on November 13, 2012, 01:20 PM
I kinda miss life on the farm.  Things are moving too quickly and too many main characters dying off....I enjoy all the violence though - don't get me wrong.

share please.  i missed two eps ago while out of town, and was disappointed to find that you couldn't watch episodes on AMC's site any more.  Had to wait until I could get home to watch on demand.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: iFett on November 13, 2012, 08:32 PM
eh?  I was just referring back to season 2 is all.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BrentS on November 13, 2012, 09:01 PM
After a 4 week binge on Netflix and on Demand, I'm 100% caught up. I can see why everyone raves about this show. Very entertaining. The episode two weeks ago was unbelievable!  I had to go back back and see if I missed Carol disappearing somehow. I didn't think she died on screen. Surely she's coming back.

I've had so many episodes just sitting around waiting on me, it's hard think now I have to wait for "real time". Sigh.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Sybeck1 on November 13, 2012, 09:55 PM
Am I the only one who saw that Maggie has a gun drawn on Merle next week?
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Qui-Gon Jim on November 14, 2012, 09:32 AM
Carol did not die on screen.

Now that you are caught up, you are in the same boat as the rest of us; hopelessly addicted having trouble waiting for our next fix.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on November 18, 2012, 10:23 PM
Mixed bag episode...the Rick parts were irritating. The other parts were Andrea is an idiot and people finding each other because...Georgia is such a small place, apparently, and every other person is an expert tracker.

Governor is an idiot. Wastes man power hunting Michonne. Goes after other survivors when there's still TONS OF STUFF to loot it seems.

Glenn and Maggie need to shoot first and ask questions later...who cares if it's Darryl's evil brother.

Plus side, no more Carol's ambigious fate nonsense. And Evil Glenn (Governor's Asian flunkie with the mustache) is dead...
No guts, no gorey...glory moment with Michonne...pretty awfully awesome.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Diddly on November 18, 2012, 10:29 PM
This season is swirling down the toilet faster with each and every week... is ANYTHING going to happen? I get that they have to build suspense but come on.

Andrea sexing up the Governor... boring.

Also why is it that in Season 1 Rick and Glenn have to cover themselves head to toe in gallons of zombie guts and the slightest sprinkle of rain washes it away and gets the zombies to notice them... meanwhile Michonne has a small amount of guts spilled on her shirt and she can walk hand in hand with them?
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Angry Ewok on November 19, 2012, 05:10 AM
Ain't gon' lie... Getting sick of the cheap prison set, the boring takes with the Governor, and getting cockteased with a preview that essentially shows all of the action without the fluff.

And now we'll get 20 minutes of the asian kid being interrogated on another drab prison set.

As for Michonne, her confused facial expressions and general ignorance just make her seem handicapped.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on November 19, 2012, 09:31 AM
I actually feel like this season has been the best one yet, and the pacing is WAY more dynamic than all that time they spent chillaxing on the Farm last year. That stuff really dragged, esp with all the Shane/Lori nonsense. At least we've moved beyond that.

For me, the problem I wrestle with is knowing where all this stuff goes in the comic and trying to piece it together in my head, rather than just letting the storyline evolve naturally. And then you start getting that whole impatience vibe cause you know they are building up to something and kinda wish they would just hurry up and get there, rather than enjoying the ride.

Lots of strong performances in this episode though, esp liked Darryl and Hershel. Glad to see Carol got her reprieve as well.

Agree that the whole "expert tracker" thing is being way overdone and does not seem realistic. Michonne had a hellacious head start on those rednecks. And I also agree that the whole notion of wasting time and energy tracking her down was ridiculous. Didn't Merle JUST ASK Philip last episode if they were going to have a problem with Michonne? And he said no? And now he's sending off 4 people to look for her? Wouldn't it have just been easier to kill her in Woodbury?

As great as it would have been to see Michonne cut off Merle's head, or at least intervene when he gets the drop on Glyn and Maggie, I can see why they wanted to milk that a little more. He's got a lot of bad stuff left to do before he dies.

Really, really sick of the Philip/Andrea thing already. She is a complete fing moron. Her character is SO poorly written too, she is all over the map morally and psychologically. First she screws Shane and now this. It's like she looking for guys to bang that are begging to get killed by Rick. And what about the black haired chick who was laying in Philip's bed just 2 episodes ago?

I do hope we've seen the last of the phone thing. I think they got the point across and no need to dwell on his craziness. Nice to see Rick come back to the fold near the end there. I wish I could have heard what Lori said better though, it was all static-y when she finally got on.

And oh yeah, poor Maggie. Something tells me she is going to find her stay in Woodbury particularly unpleasant.  :(
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on November 19, 2012, 01:15 PM
I forgot the worst new character "bow girl", whose dad wanted her to be in the Olympics but she can't hit a walker 30 feet away.

I'll miss Car..car...how do you say his name again? He got into the spirit of things. If a chick sliced me with a samurai sword and ran off into zombie country...I might just agree with Merle so I could get back to town, get stitched up and have a beer....no matter what I would actually tell the governor later.

How did Merle and Michonne go in different directions and wind up in the same place? Why didn't Merle's team have a vehicle somewhere?

One of thing of interest. Hershell actually heard static on the phone. Assuming Hershell was there and he wasn't a hallucination.

Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Angry Ewok on November 19, 2012, 06:28 PM
I forgot the worst new character "bow girl", whose dad wanted her to be in the Olympics but she can't hit a walker 30 feet away.

Producers don't know their way around bows and guns, this much was proven Season 1.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on November 19, 2012, 10:02 PM
Hah...  Yeah, that and the group passing up how many military small arms and even some heavier ****?  One grenade was all they could muster?  BS.  They've had other stuff they've passed on and it drives me batty.  How did the Woodbury group pass up all the military hardware they inherited too ya know?  Why chase Michonne down with pistols and knives?  It's like Call of Duty.

On the phone thing, you'll hear static if it's connected to other lines in the building. 
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Angry Ewok on November 20, 2012, 06:48 AM
The guns and **** is annoying, but it isn't LOST annoying, yet. Once the libtard actors are allowed to "chk-chk" their top slide every three seconds, THEN its over. Just watch LOST, dude... As soon as the actors started slinging their guns around the show went to ****.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BillCable on November 20, 2012, 08:00 AM
Why chase Michonne down with pistols and knives?

Maybe because Merle is nuts and likes to keep things personal?
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: GrandMoffNick on November 20, 2012, 11:56 AM
WOW. Admitting I skimmed some of the last bunch of posts and nothing more, what in the world do people want from this show? The season has been crazy with things happening so they finally take a break and it is "going down the toilet". I love it.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: CHEWIE on November 20, 2012, 04:29 PM
WOW. Admitting I skimmed some of the last bunch of posts and nothing more, what in the world do people want from this show? The season has been crazy with things happening so they finally take a break and it is "going down the toilet". I love it.

I don't get the complaining either. 

This isn't a 2 hour movie.  This is a series, and to do that, you can't cram everything into a tight span.  I think people forget that.

Best show on television and people are still complaining that's not good enough for them... wow.  I wish I was that spoiled. 
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on November 20, 2012, 05:05 PM
I agree, best show on TV as far as I'm concerned and they may compact the comic stuff like the phone, but I'm ok with that since I haven't read the comics.  I suppose if you read those though, your POV may be different.  I dunno.  I love it though.  Between this and GOT, there isn't a lot more on TV I consider worth watching even though Clone Wars redeemed itself the last couple weeks.

By the way, I don't think I'd buy "Well Merle's nuts" argument on not taking assault rifles... Y ou're in the woods hunting.  He's from a family that I think did that, a lot, so I think he's smart enough to take a rifle.  I just chalk it up to a logic oversight.  At least one of those schmucks should've been armed with more than a pistol and a knive that's not even a big knife.  Crocodile Dundee would've mocked them.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on November 20, 2012, 07:29 PM
Tyreese in da house!!!!!!!!!!!

http://social.entertainment.msn.com/tv/blogs/tv-buzz-blog.aspx?blog=2080&feat=fd3410f6-2fa3-4300-9396-b4a11c2a4047

Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: CHEWIE on November 21, 2012, 11:02 AM
I agree, best show on TV as far as I'm concerned and they may compact the comic stuff like the phone, but I'm ok with that since I haven't read the comics.  I suppose if you read those though, your POV may be different.  I dunno. 

Yeah, I think the POV can be different for those that have read the comics vs those who haven't.  I have read them, and re-read them all a second time not long ago.  They are very good but there is actually slower pacing in the comics than on the show, in my opinion.  I kind of like how they've switched things up from the comics some, because it's kept me guessing a lot - for example, Lori does not die during childbirth - it happens quite a bit later, and in a completely different way in the comics.

This season has really picked up the pace and had a lot more action than I expected at this point.  I love it more each and every week.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: JediJman on November 21, 2012, 11:31 AM
I am FINALLY caught up on the Walking Dead after three seasons with AMC.  Nice to be in the same timeline with the rest of the world for a change!

I took the time to go back and read through posts, so want to respond to some of the topics and latest events.

 - Sorry to see T-Dawg go, but very excited that we're getting Tyreese.  Hopefully they don't kill off black-prisoner-guy though - I like that character even if I can't remember his name.  I hope both the prisoners turn out to be pretty good guys.  It would be nice for the group to have an example where bringing someone in doesn't screw them over.  I can't help wondering if I would be more tempted to protect my own or willing to bring new people into the fold to make the group stronger.  Seems like a very small group still holding out in the Prison versus what they had in the comic, and that seems like trouble with the inevitable showdown coming. 

 - I am a little sorry to see Lori go before she and Rick could patch things up.  This is probably the most realistic way to go, but that's got to be hard on Rick.  I believe they patched things up in the comic when the baby was born, but she and the baby met a terrible ending shortly thereafter.  If you thought this storyline was gut wrenching, go read the comic.  Their fate is much worse.  Rick's performance/reaction was incredible.  That has really stuck with me as a father and husband - tough to watch, but fantastic acting.  I am wondering where they're going to go with the baby now though.  I can't see Rick leading the group and being full time caretaker.  To comments on the formula - those cans don't last real long, but they had a a good weeks supply and were obviously going to get more.  I beet Michone has some of the cans from town with her after Glenn and Maggie were nabbed.  My question is where are they getting clean water to mix it with?  I don't see a lot of bottled water laying around lately, and last I checked there was no river flowing through the prison.

 - I like the way they're handling the Governor/Penny/Woodbury.  The guy is nuts - of course he's going to let Michonne go and then go after her.  From his conversation with Merle, we know he wanted her head for his collection and the sword.  The fight with the hunters and Michonne was great.  I figured Merle is at least as good of a tracker as his brother, so no surprise that he finds Michonne.  That said, I'm a little surprised that he ends up in town at the same time as Michonne AND Glenn and Maggie, but I kind of figured he had a car in town and maybe tracked Michonne from there out into the woods versus catching up with her from Woodbury.  Maybe they found signs of her being there and tracked her from there.  She didn't have a lot of supplies, so makes sense to check a few surrounding towns.  I'm also not shocked at the weapons they used - why would they carry assualt rifles after a girl with a sword?  They don't know how bad ass she is, Merle can't really handle a rifle anymore, and any kind of heavy fire is going to draw more walkers.  Merle mentions that they're near the "red zone," so maybe that's not a good place to go making lots of noise.

 - Count me in with those that feel this is the best thing on TV.  Some people will complain about anything.   ::)  Yeah, the show about reanimated corpses isn't 100% scientifically correct on everything.  Shocker.  Much like any other show, there's dozens of of screen explanations for a lot of things.  Corpse that ate Laurie?  Probably one of many that smelled her rotting or heard the gunshot that killed her.  The rest of her bones and skull?  Maybe got dragged off or just around the corner.  Rick didn't look anymore after he found the bloated belly guy.  Don't like Michonne's conversation skills?  She doesn't strike me as much of a talker in either the show or the comic.  It is possible that people act a little goofy - I'm not sure how rational I would be in such an impossible insane situation.  Army guys not prepared for an ambush?  I wouldn't be expecting one.  I thought it was smart that they were way out in the open where they could ideally see walkers coming from hundreds of yards away.  Maybe they dhsould have had someone more on watch, but all eyes would be on the governor's truck when he raced in anyway.

 - That said, my only real complaint I have is with Andrea.  I get her character moving through suicide to wanting to survive to being an amazing shot then getting sick and cut off, having to reinvent herself and wanting some semblance of calm and "normalness" in her life.  I guess I can even stomach her sleeping with Shane and the Governor - she's fairly attractive and maybe attracted to complex guys in a world where you might not live another day.  Not crazy that she would sleep with two people in the course of a year.  That said, I like comic Andrea a lot more.  She's more of a leader and gets progressively tough as nails throughout.  I think they're just doing too much with her - it makes her more of revolving plot point than a real character slowly adapting over time to her situation.  Now they're pushing her into someone that loves combat with the jumping over the wall and secretly liking the arena.  I hope she quickly catches on to the Governor, escapes with Glenn and Maggie, and gets back to being a badass with the prison crew.

It will be hard just digesting an episode per week, but can't wait to see what they've got lined up next.  Does anyone else think the scientist guy is not a fan of the governor?  I think he's going to be pivital to the group.  Nothing brings people together like a common enemy.

Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on November 21, 2012, 02:10 PM
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why would they carry assualt rifles after a girl with a sword?  They don't know how bad ass she is, Merle can't really handle a rifle anymore, and any kind of heavy fire is going to draw more walkers.

I have to disagree with this...  WHy not?  A gunshot is a gunshot is a gunshot...  Short of a silencer of course, which I'd have liked to have seen an explanation on how they made them.  That's not easily done, nor do I think they'd work so well, but maybe Darryl did them up?  He seems like he might know how to do something like that.

Anyway, you have assault rifles...  they have range, better knockdown power, and likely larger magazines.  So why not take them since Michonne's not your only problem out there, and that's assuming you don't know Michonne's abilities.

I'd argue they are aware of what she can do.  The Governor has her attack him right before she leaves, and so he's well aware she's fast and tricky.  I imagine he relayed that to Merle.

Granted, Merle can't use a rifle, and Merle's a dope and prone to overestimation, but the simple logic lacked in that whole scenario bothers me.

I think complaints about things that are simply "real" are valid...  There's obvious things in the show that would be hard to dispute because how are you going to argue the zombies themselves or whatnot?  But I think arguing things like a home made silencer being a feasible thing, or why a group didn't take an assault rifle with them when they SHOULD have them in heavy supply, makes some sense.

On the issue of the soldiers not being prepared, I think they're dealing with the world as it is almost from a newbies perspective.  They mentioned being holed up in a base and were doing well till someone inside turned.  I've always bet that it was someone who died of a cause other than a zombie, and turned because they're all infected and they didn't know that.

Anyway, I figure these soldiers and their base have been fairly isolated since the outbreak.  They held out, but **** happened without the knowledge that everyone who dies, regardless of how, turns.  And so they escaped, but they went out into the world a little naieve and expected all survivors to band together...  Obviously that's not how it is, and human nature being what it is, people are at each other's throats for their stuff and to put down perceived threats.

So I can see the soldiers being a little lax in their defensive posturing against the living.  The Dead are slow to them also, so they're maybe lack much caution with them either aside from a tight perimeter.  I can buy all that.

Andrea's probably my least favorite character right now...  Just smacks of "dumb blonde" at the moment.  She's sort of jumped around a lot too, in personality.  So yeah I'm not into her at the moment, though she's fun to look at.

Michonne I like...  I'd like to know HOW she gets this good at killing, and I think some of her closed off nature is due to how she got where she is (since her pets were those closest to her).  She's bound to be messed up a little bit.  It'd just be nice to know how she became a master with a Katana.  Not a skill most people have on their resume. :P

I can buy Merle and Michonne winding up at the same spot for any number of reasons.  Michonne because she wants supplies.  Merle because he's looking for a ride, or left his ride there, or because maybe that's the road to Woodbury?  Who knows.

I'm curious about the main group's run for ammo...  I'm surprised they're that sure they'llj ust run into WM and find it.  In a situation like that, ammo's going to be in short supply, I'd imagine.  :-\
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: efranks on November 21, 2012, 03:40 PM
I think we got an answer to the silencer in the second or third show this season.  There was a scene after they were in the prison where Carl had a can of some type and was stuffing it with steel wool.  Which is a way to make a cheap silencer that's good for a limited number of shots.  Probably enough to be effective clearing a half dozen walkers out of the yard or a hallway before it would need to be replaced.

They didn't really highlight it, probably because they didn't want kids running around making silencers, but I'm sure someone put that in there for people to pick up on.

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Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on November 21, 2012, 03:57 PM
Will that really work that well though?  I mean, their shots are dead silent...  no pun.  Even real manufactured silencers sound a little bit.  :-\
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BillCable on November 21, 2012, 04:46 PM
If you press a gun against a pillow it acts as a silencer.  You can make one with an empty 2-liter plastic bottle.  Anything to capture/muffle the sound.  A pipe full of steel wool would actually be pretty effective.  Not James Bond movie effective, but it'd reduce the noise considerably.

In close quarters an assault rifle can be less effective than a pistol.  They're better suited for long-range attacks.  So in dense woods if you don't expect a lot of warning before you see your prey (or hunter, in this case), you might be better off with a pistol.

What was the dude who lost his head packing?  I remember some sort of bandolier or strap across his chest.  Going purely from memory, though.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on November 21, 2012, 07:54 PM
I would say it muffles it, but I don't think it acts as a silencer...  I've heard real supressors fired, and they're still audible.  The ones in the series have been quite silent, and so I just don't see it as realistic, but I find it interesting that home made silencers using steel wool have been done.  I don't think they'd be that quiet but I guess it's at least realistic.  Wonder whose idea it was?  Darryl or Rick?  Don't think anyone else in the group would've come up with it.  Seems more Darryl to me.  Looks like the kinda guy that liked shooting at old cars.

On the assault rifle, I'm just still not in agreement, at all...  You're not doing a sweep and clear of a house, you're out in the woods.  At the very least, you'd take a rifle and a pistol, if you're doing both.  Dense woods, which I don't know I'd call those dense woods particularly, you'd still be better off with the capacity, range, and power of an assault rifle if it's at your disposal.

If they were clearing houses, I could MAYBE buy pistols, if you've not got access to a shotgun or smaller assault weapon which we saw actually one of the Woodbury gang had something similar I think to a Tech 9 at one point, IIRC.  So even then, they STILL had superior "close range" weapons to a pistol and a knife.  Not to mention the knives they had didn't even look big...  Why not take machete's at least?  Surely they have those!  I have like 5 just at my house.

I recall a bandoleir too Bill, but also forget what he had.  Could've just been to sheath his knife and some extra stuff, who knows.  I don't recall any of them having anything bigger than a pistol though.

Part of me wonders if Merle half-assed the whole thing together quickly.  For my mind, it's the only thing that makes much sense.  The Woodbury people seem a little inept to me save for the Governor, and maybe he likes it that way.  When Merle's your 2nd, I suppose that's actually probably as likely a reason why they went out there poorly equipped.

He also didn't seem to respect Michonne much till she'd f'd up the whole group but him, so perhaps he just half assed it thinking she'd be a quick easy kill.  I still say the lack of some of that military gear they had to have pilfered was an oversight though.  I'll chalk it up to Merle being a knob.  He's a good catch-all.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Angry Ewok on November 21, 2012, 08:16 PM
I've got a pretty decent gun collection and I've tinkered around, but I've never seen a homemade silencer that actually... well... worked.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on November 21, 2012, 09:35 PM
I almost want to try it but my guns are too valuable to put anything on them like that.  Might piss around with it on a .22 pistol I have, but really I value all of them that I'd be afraid to mess with something homemade like that, haha.  It's interesting though, if it works, even a little bit.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: CloneF13Y35 on November 22, 2012, 11:06 AM
One of the best things about this season is they are telling better stories; like someone mentioned, it's a series and so they can take time to let things develop. As the middle to end of season two got so freaking slow and "soap opera-like", the last two episodes really rocked. I like that they are going in slightly different directions from the comics, which definitely can drag on and on and on etc. Probably 20 issues of the comic from this same time frame of Prison/Woodbury to what comes after that is so repetitious it makes GL's writing seem eloquent LOL ;)
the mid season finale is in a couple weeks then it starts back up in either Feb or Mar next year with the back 8 episodes. 
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on November 22, 2012, 02:39 PM
I think the show's writing is outstanding...  It's complex, and takes a totally fictional situation and asks how people would really behave.  Some will go nuts and kill themselves.  Some will go nuts and attempt to dominate the situation and those around them.  Some will retain their humanity.  Some will cower in the corner.  Some will just follow and grow at their own pace, or as the situation warrants.

It's really a show about humanity I think, and that's far more interesting than zombies.  I've always explained it to friends who think it's just a horror tv show, as much more than that.  The Zombies are the situation, but the people are what make the show.

That's why Woodbury, the Prison, the Philly crew, The Vato's...  They make the most interesting story expansions.  Zombies are what they are, but people are like a Whitman Sampler and sometimes you get a ****** one... to paraphrase Forrest Gump.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: efranks on November 22, 2012, 07:12 PM
The thing about silencers is that you have to  combine them with heavier, slower moving ammunition to get a really quiet firearm.  All movies and TV shows overdue it on how quiet they make their stuff sound.  The two things that make the most noise are the expanding gases as the bullet exits the barrel and the sonic boom from the bullet.  Steel wool in a can will capture those gases and help eliminate some of that sound but if there's still going to be some noise.

I'm with Jesse on the weapons for the hunt. Ideally they'd have shotguns with slugs loaded.  In woods you want something with range but also that fires a large, heavy bullet that can cut through brush better.  Maybe a rifle from the AK family or a good .308 would be okay but without really pouring over the show, I got the impression a lot of what they had were 9mm or .223 military rifles with some hunting rifles.  But bolt action hunting rifles wouldn't necessarily be the best choice either, for woods like those.

If I was hunting someone in the woods I'd want shotguns and some decent revolvers (.357, .44) or a nice .45 auto.  I'd take a good 9mm for backup but I wouldn't make that my first choice necessarily.

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Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: JediJman on November 22, 2012, 08:29 PM
And what story would you give the rest of the town for why you're headed out armed to the teeth after someone you supposedly let go?  How comfortable would you be giving those weapons to guys you dont really know on your hunting trip?  I think massive weaponry to hunt Michone would have looked silly, so I guess you cant please everyone.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on November 22, 2012, 11:33 PM
For my argument, you're sending guys out with AR-15's (this is assuming you now have a decent stash of them, courtesy of the GI's you cut down).  SOmeone with a shotgun with slug rounds would be nice but maybe not possible.  Tough to say who has what in the town.  I have a 12 gauge and have a variety ammo for it, so who knows what whoever maybe brought along or they found.  I can see someone taking one though.

I'm only basing my thought on the fact they killed military guys who most likely had AR15's or something similar, and I think one guy in the chopper had a LMG too but I can't recall.  That's maybe a bit overkill not to mention more difficult to use and learn, or at least I'd imagine it is.

(http://img837.imageshack.us/img837/4006/328939.jpg)

As you can see, not a particularly large weapon.  It's an assault rifle, but I believe it's smaller than the AK-47, and for my money looks less intimidating, though that's partially the AK's being the "bad guy" gun IMO.  Perception and all that.  It's used for clearing houses and just about everything else.  Its versatility is a big reason it's so popular.

If you have that, I  can't see much of a reason you wouldn't go out with it.  At least one guy, anyway, incase.  I don't think they'd have to it justify to people inside the fort, why the guys going outside of it are carrying a rifle, a pistol, and something a little longer than a tooth pick for dealing with them hand-to-hand.

With basically a rifle, a pistol, and a weapon for killing up close more than a knife, they'd be about as armed up as Rick's group has been at any given time when they're running around with shotguns and pistols as well.

The only thing that works for me, at all, is Merle's a bit of a moron and didn't respect Michonne at all, so he didn't think to actually gear up at all and that it'd be just a quick jaunt out and back with her head and sword.  That's a little far-fetched still, but Merle is a dope and could easily make a mistake like underestimating who he's going out after.  It still stands to reason any group out there is better off with a staggered ability to fight though, rather than just relying on pistols and knives.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Greg on November 23, 2012, 12:05 AM
The only thing that works for me, at all, is Merle's a bit of a moron and didn't respect Michonne at all, so he didn't think to actually gear up at all and that it'd be just a quick jaunt out and back with her head and sword.  That's a little far-fetched still, but Merle is a dope and could easily make a mistake like underestimating who he's going out after.  It still stands to reason any group out there is better off with a staggered ability to fight though, rather than just relying on pistols and knives.

Merle's cockiness was what I thought of when this gun discussion was brought up. I'm guessing Merle and his henchmen thought they'd be out in the woods for ten minutes, and surely they could easily shoot a crazy sword-wielding lady. Based on the first encounter and Merle's taunts it seemed like they expected Michonne to bonzai charge, rather than get the jump on them and wind up being an extremely dangerous attitude. Plus they didn't think to drive a car out, so why would they be smart enough to bring heavier firepower?
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on November 23, 2012, 12:16 AM
The car thing's weird too...  I can't tell if they walked or maybe Merle was staggering around looking for a new ride back because Michonne messed his up?  I've thought that too.  Everything we'd seen till now was them using cars.

That whole thing seems like there's something between the two episodes we missed.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on November 23, 2012, 01:09 PM
She took time to warn them to GO BACK.

The whole episode could've been Michonne leaving messages for them.

"Another message....a butt and she dug a hole....I don't get it."

"A-hole...hey, Merle, this ones for you!"
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on November 26, 2012, 12:24 AM
There was irritating music this week...at first I wasn't sure it was a score or some machine somewhere Rick's team was gonna come across.

Mixed bag episode. Hermit part seemed to come out of nowhere...run in here...hey, a crazy survivor! Oh, he's dead!

Parts with Rick and Carl were good. Their interaction with Michonne felt rushed...but she is a person of few words.

The governor makes Merle look likable by comparison.

Not sure where they are going with Woodbury's scientist.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Angry Ewok on November 26, 2012, 07:34 AM
Looks like next week will have absurd gunplay.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BillCable on November 26, 2012, 08:27 AM
Anybody else get the feeling that the black dude from the prison is the red shirt?

I don't watch previews for the next week, but it does seem like things are shaping up for a crazy mid-season finale.  The fact that pretty much anyone but Rick could die in any given week makes the show really intense.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Tracy on November 26, 2012, 11:17 AM
This is more of a pet peeve than anything else - I just feel the need to rag on Andrea for a bit:  She is turning into a real dumb broad - I thought she was a lot stronger and more independent that than - a real disappointment there.  Also - she seemed to roll over pretty easily on the whole Mr. Coleman thing - I thought she would have at leaset balked or raised some misgivings.  Finally - what in the hell is up with that purse?  It has been bugging the living crap out of me that she is toting a purse around.  Now I know she probably doesn't have her Target shopping list and wallet in there - but an crossbody sachel would make a lot more sense for carrying a gun, ammo and a clean pair of thongs..........
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on November 26, 2012, 11:34 AM
Ugh, the "mid-season finale" is always a gut punch. Especially because this season has been so off-the-hook awesome. I have to think they are not going to wrap up the Battle of Woodbury next week, so I guess this will carryover the rest of the season.

Lots of interesting stuff from last night:

How does a crazy paranoid hermit even survive the zombie apocalype that long? Crazy people would be the first people to die it seems like, poor impulse control, etc.

Glenn/Walker mano a mano = freaking riveting! That whole scene was crazy good. That dude is officially a bad-ass. Not to mention taking that savage beating from Merle.

Scientist dude (also on The Good Wife in a recurring role) seems pretty clueless for having studied these things for so long. I'm glad they didn't decide to humanize the zombies though, I much prefer them as mindless killing machines as opposed to the gentle "pet" from Day of the Dead.

Interesting that Andrea gets so unnerved over that, but has no problems jumping over the wall to stick a walker in the eye in pretty much exactly the same manner the episode before. She's still all over the place, characterwise.

Agreed that the soundtrack was a little odd, I like stuff like that, but I kept thinking they were getting near that machine that was designed to attract the walkers.

I'm really relieved Maggie got a reprieve, I was hoping the writers would give her a break and not take that scene too far for the show. It was hard enough to watch as it was...ugh.

Almost equally distrubing was Merle's bayonet-stroking of Glenn earlier in the episode. It was impossible NOT to flash back to Michael Rooker's creepiest role ever as the homosexual rapist in Sea of Love trying to get all over Al Pacino. (And yes, it was even creepier than Henry the Serial Killer, IMO)

As much as you hate Merle, he's so compelling as a villain you almost want him to stick around a little longer. Not so much the Governor, whom I'd like to see them dispense with as quickly and painfully as possible.

Oh, and I loved Philip's sneaky remark about bringng in Glenn's hand. That was a nice nod to one of the storylines from the comic we will probably not see on the show.

Talking Dead had a great extended preview of next week's ep where Michonne is about to pull the bag off Penny's head...can't wait!!!
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on November 26, 2012, 09:31 PM
I really liked the episode but the hermit bothered me...

A) He's about a mile or less from Woodbury.  How has he gone unnoticed by THEM?  They seem to have a pretty good perimeter set up around the outskirts of the town itself...  limited walker activity and all, the wind chime trap thing (maybe multiples of them, if they're wise), and so forth.  So how did a survivor in a cabin get past them all this time?

B) How'd he survive?  I got the impression he was maybe living off a dead dog...  maybe...  but really how did he survive the whole time without getting eaten, even if he could avoid the town?  He's a little off kilter it seemed, and maybe not the best state of mind to make good decisions.

C) He didn't appear to have much in the way of gear besides his shot gun...  Again, how did he survive?

Maybe he was delusional from lack of food?  Maybe the dog was his pet and he was just laying there waiting to die?  Weird weird weird.

Couldn't agree with you more, Bill, on the redshirt feeling for Otis (I think that's his name, they've only mentioned it once or twice so I keep forgetting he and the little weasly guy's name).  He even ran slower and killed sloppier...  Dude's definitely NOT on the same page as the other 3 attempting to infiltrate Woodbury.  I like that he's clearly not as adept at this as they are, but at the same time it gives little hope to him to survive going against the living, much less the dead.

Also agree with you Tracy, on Andrea.  If Twitter's any indication I'd say we're in the vast majority with that opinion on her and the direction her character has gone, as she addressed it today saying there's payoff and she's good, blah blah blah.  We'll see.  She's not the writer and it's my understanding their scripts and future aren't really known much beyond the episode they're working on.

I'd love to see a map of the area to know where the major landmarks are...  From Atlanta outward, kind of like the Middle Earth map for LOTR/Hobbit, it'd be a nice point of reference to let you know where Woodbury is in conjunction to the farm, to the prison, to the military convoy, to the CDC, and so on.  It would be interesting to me anyway.  I like knowing where I'm at.

I'd also like to know, what is around the entire town of Woodbury, that keeps it safe?  There can't possibly be one small road into the town and the entire town is tall building upon building side-by-side and around in a U shape.  Kinda curious what the rest of the town looks like, how big it is, etc.  Curious how Rick & Co. are going to get in.

Darryl's presence is an interesting point of contention going forward...  he's built a definite family-type bond with the group, but now seeing true blood relatives in the opposing group is a huge bump in the road.  The preview hinted at it, but it's something I guess completely foreign to even the comic fans since Darryl's not in them from my understanding.  It'll be very interesting to see how that plays out.  Darryl could break some hearts coming up I think, haha.

I hate thinking about who's dead meat before the mid-season break...  I have my picks though.  Two in particular.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Angry Ewok on November 26, 2012, 10:07 PM
More thong.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on November 26, 2012, 10:37 PM
Anyone else freeze frame that?  Little pervy on my part huh? *sigh*

This was probably the best T&A episode ever, have to admit that.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Angry Ewok on November 27, 2012, 06:29 AM
Feel free to post a JPG of that, by the way.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Diddly on November 27, 2012, 08:08 AM
The gifs are apparently all over Google, though I haven't found any yet. :-X

Well the pieces are finally coming together on this season... much better episode than the past few, which were basically 35 minutes of slow, and 10 minutes of awesome. BUT I DIGRESS...

Am I the only one who hates Woodbury and all of its characters? I hate the Governor, but for all of the wrong reasons, and I wish they'd kill him off quickly just so I wouldn't have to sit through his boring segments. Same with the Scientist dude. I thought he was interesting at first, what with his appearing to be against Governor's plans, but he's kind of lost his luster. Michonne is only interesting when she's slicing dudes up, otherwise she's "generic angry young woman #859169813."

The Maggie rape... quite possibly the toughest segment to watch in the show's short history. Maggie's hot, but still...

I'm thinking Rick and Co are going to easily take Woodbury until they get to the core of the Governor and his bodyguards. Most of Woodbury appears to be kids and people who have probably never held a weapon. I mean, could you IMAGINE Olympics Bow Girl going up against Rick or Daryl?

Great episode of Talking Dead this week too, with CM Punk and some chick from the show Community. It was mainly awesome because you could tell that they ACTUALLY ARE FANS OF THE SHOW, bringing up stuff from past episodes and how they could relate to the present season. Good stuff, and the show would be much more tolerable if they had more guests like these.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Mikey D on November 27, 2012, 09:56 AM
I wanted to see boobies.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Phrubruh on November 27, 2012, 10:00 AM
I wanted to see boobies.

I thought that was your signature.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Sybeck1 on November 27, 2012, 01:27 PM
So a scouting party is being sent to the prison. Wonder if Merle is part of it and when he leaves that is when Darryl sees his brother, and him and Rick have to have a heart to heart about loyalty. Would be a good time to hit Woodbury then. So that leaves Carl to defend the bunkhouse if the search party shows up. Does his twenty something teen crush know how to shoot? Andrea is hot (I thought that during her stint on the Shield)
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on November 27, 2012, 04:34 PM
Olympic bow girl shoots at Darryl, he catches it out of the sky and shoots her in the face with the same arrow.  That's about how I'd see that playing out.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: JediJman on November 27, 2012, 06:32 PM
I liked the last episode, but yeah, some tough scenes to watch there.  The tied up Glenn versus Zombie was excellent, and I liked that they took time to have Scientist guy researching the zombies, since the Gov clearly wants to know what remains of his Penny.  I'm enjoying all of the characters, even Andrea, as they're coming down to making characters choose their loyalties.  It will be interesting to see where Merle and Darryl net out, as well as Andrea with the coming confrontation.  I'm also pretty impressed that Glenn and Maggie held up so long without giving the prison location.  I think most people would have caved sooner given everything that was thrown at them.

I think we'll see Rick and company escape with Maggie and Glenn, hopefully Andrea as well once she learns about Penny or the Talking Heads collection.  I'd like to see the scientist guy go with them as well.  The Gov probably loses a couple of men, but now he knows where the rest of the group is held up.  So, rather than Carl having to fight off the scouting party, I think we'll see Rick and company make it back and have to defend an all out assault on the prison compound from the Gov in the second half of the season.  Would be cool to see those big guns go up against the prison defenses.  I'm a little worried about Rick's group's size though - they have Darryl, who rocks, but in the comic that group would still have Lori, Tyreese, Dale, Andrea, etc. to help defend the prison.

It will be interesting to see what they do with all the woodbury folks.  Most of them seem like non-fighters, but the Gov says they started with just nine.  That would seem to imply the majority of the town is made up of various survivors, who should be far from helpless.  Given this and their love of the arena, you have to wonder if there's more fight in those people than expected.  On the flip side, I wonder how loyal any of them really are to the Gov if they find out about Penny or the Talking Heads or any of the other crap going on with the Gov. 

Anxious to see where they go next, but I hope the second half of the season ends things with the Gov, gets them moving beyond the prison, and focuses more on Andrea, Michonne, and Tyreese character development. 
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: jedipurge on November 28, 2012, 01:48 PM
i'm loving this season

few thots on last couple of things

back to lori, kinda, wasn't that a bullet that Rick found on the ground when he first walked into the room?  can't imagine zombies knawing on her and spitting that out especially if that bullet was in in her skull.  now i suppose that the bullet could have exited when carl shot her and thats just wear it landed, but i still got this nagging feeling that she's coming back zombiefied.  more then likely she'll be dragging her lower half like the the first zombie rick stumbled across in season 1. 

as michonne goes i'm lovin her, but her swordsmanship i don't know how good she actually is.  i'm no swordsman, even tho i do own a sword, but i'm pretty sure i could do what she's doing.  if u have a sharp enough sword it can't be too hard to cut thru rotting zombies.  thats not to say she doesn't skills, afterall she did get the drop on  Merle and his goons.  But a "swordsman" is someone with ability to go toe to toe with someone else tht has a sword, I look to the show Revolution for some basic swordsmanship.

i'm loving glen more now then ever, that was some bad-ass-ness.  He almost went Black Widow from Avengers with his chair fitting skills.  But that goes to show how stupid Merle is to send that zombie in there after not getting any info out of him first.

best thing for the grp left behind at the prison would be to let the scouting party come on in.  gotta think how hard would it be to for scouting party to try and find them in that prison in the first place.  let the scouting party wonder around a bit and start locking the doors behind them till basically their locked in the prison, then wait them out.  Carls grp knows the prison well enough by now that they could probably pick them off 1 by one in there versus some sort of assault of the prison and defending it.

the wait between midseason finale and the next new episodes are always killer.  :P
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Diddly on December 2, 2012, 10:18 PM
Holy crap, AWESOME mid season finale tonight. And they replaced the new black guy with another black guy so quickly, I hardly even noticed!

LESBIAN CAROL!
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on December 2, 2012, 10:30 PM
Yeah...Oscar, we hardly knew ya. I almost thought Andrea was gonna kill him.

Tyrese and friends literally walk into the story. Wonder how that part of the prison was destroyed. For a second I thought that the opening may have been  set in future, sometimes after a confrontation between the Woodburies and Rick's people...but not the case.

Governor got Michowned! HA!

Andrea...an tool as usual.

Did Daryl let himself be captured?

Carl, The Law in the Apocalypse.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Angry Ewok on December 3, 2012, 07:27 AM
Like I said on Facebook, the new token negro is a better actor than most of the cast - I hope we have this guy for a while.

Decent episode. Absurd gunplay, someone must be reloading the ammo for everyone and their cousin to shoot as wildly as they do. Must have attracted a lot of Walkers.

Speakings of awful actors, I loved that Michonne got her ass kicked. Maybe now she'll show us a different look than "confused" and "frown"...
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BillCable on December 3, 2012, 09:33 AM
Can I call a red shirt or can I call a red shirt?

I don't quite get the governor's "We gotta go out and kill every outside settlement" position.  Seems like a waste of resources and an expensive sacrifice of soldiers.  I can see attacking the Army group for equipment, but invading the prison to give it back to the walkers?  Makes very little sense.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Greg on December 3, 2012, 09:43 AM
Can I call a red shirt or can I call a red shirt?

Oscar might as well have been wearing a red jumpsuit, and it looks like there are three more reds with Tyrese's group.

I don't quite get the governor's "We gotta go out and kill every outside settlement" position.  Seems like a waste of resources and an expensive sacrifice of soldiers.  I can see attacking the Army group for equipment, but invading the prison to give it back to the walkers?  Makes very little sense.

I think the Governor has problems with any groups that could challenge his authority, so he tries to take them out before they have a chance to do so. A group like Rick's, with a strong alpha male that took this prison the Governor thought was impossible to take, is going to be a huge problem in his eye. Now that Rick and his group attacked Woodbury first, the Governor will be out for vengeance and I think everyone in Woodbury, not just the thugs, will be falling in line behind him.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on December 3, 2012, 10:08 AM
Spoiler: If you caught the Talking Dead preview for the next episode (in february), it looks like Tyrese's pals are headed in the death wish direction.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on December 3, 2012, 10:34 AM
Literally watched the whole episode on the edge of my seat. A total buffet of awesomeness!

What I Liked:

Tyreese FTW!

Penny Eating a Sword!

Michonne shanking the Governor in the eye!

Glenn and Maggie killing people with walker bones!

Born-again Carl not doing stupid things!

Phillip turning on Merle!

Wolverine-Shane cameo!

What I Didn't Like:

Seriously, keep your eyes on Axel! Sure, we all laughed when he called Carol a lesbian, but...

Oscar, we hardly knew ye!

Andrea, she is single-handedly the WORST part of this show now. I mean, really? The wall of walker heads in aquariums wasn't ENOUGH of a tip-off for you? WHAT ARE YOU STILL DOING THERE IDIOT?!?!?!

Michonne not taking 2 seconds to tell Andrea "Oh, BTW I'm here with Rick and your boys"

Darryl not pleading his case to the crowd at the end. Dude, try telling them you weren't a terrorist and you were just trying to get Glenn and Maggie back?

Those dipshits with Tyreese. They need to kill ALL those losers, especially the mouthy woman. February can't come soon enough!

Talking Dead was really good too...always nice to see Damon Lindelof from LOST. (Not Penny's Boat!) Kirkman was excellent as usual. They helped clear up at least one question I had - why would the Gov turn on Merle like that at the end? (Answer: he's pissed that Merle lied about killing Michonne and blames him)

Good, good stuff. Although I do think that being stabbed in the eye with a jagged piece of glass would be a little more incapacitating than what he was emoting.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Sybeck1 on December 3, 2012, 10:44 AM
New black woman will be the first to go. Too many of those now.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Angry Ewok on December 3, 2012, 08:26 PM
G's up, hoes down.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on December 3, 2012, 10:09 PM
They need to ease up on the cannon/walker fodder a little. This thing running into new people or vice-versa every other episode just so some one disposable can get shot or eaten is tedious. Think about, this season is half over and they've encounted 3 other groups of survivors (Woodbury, Prisoners, Tyreese's group) and one loner (hermit). I'm not even counting the national guard, since only the Governer's people really "met" them. All of last season they encountered 2 (the farm and bar jerks' crew) and one loner (Michonne...barely).

Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: CloneF13Y35 on December 8, 2012, 12:23 PM
Really good mid-season finale, I think the coolest scene was Rick 'seeing' ghost Shane during the gun battle only to find it was another guy after the kill. I'm guessing between last weeks' tease of assaulting Maggie by the Gov and Michonne's fight with the Gov this week covers what the comics had go down (ok maybe bad choice of words) between Michonne and the Gov. But they kept the part of Glenn being locked in the next room. I also agree with the question why they have to kill off each new black guy like that, but I know Tyrese was very popular in the comics. I also noticed the little detail of Maggie shooting Oscar before they finally jump over the trucks. Somehow, I got a feeling the Gov's little 'terrorist' speech at the end with Merle and Daryl is more for the people though I would also admit he's pretty pissed at Merle for not really killing Michonne like he said he did. Merle and Daryl should be an interesting sub-plot considering they aren't even in the comics at all. Feb. 10th, two months away!
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: JediJman on December 8, 2012, 01:06 PM
I think the Governor is going to be a total hard ass from here on out.  He was nuts before, but mostly decent in public. With Penny gone, I think he could care less about anything other than revenge.  He clearly wasnt able to accept that Penny was already gone, so he's going to struggle with that loss even more than most. I can't get wait to see them use those heavy guns on the prison.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt on December 12, 2012, 06:07 AM
The Walking Dead video game they were promoting during commercials looked kinda meh

EW.com: 'The Walking Dead' dominates Spike's Video Game Awards (http://popwatch.ew.com/2012/12/07/the-walking-dead-dominates-spikes-video-game-awards/)

Quote
The Walking Dead: The Game won five trophies at Spike TV’s 10th annual Video Game Awards, including the top prize of Game of the Year. The downloadable game, based on the hit comic-book series, also earned Telltale Games Studio of the Year.

Game of the Year
The Walking Dead: the Game

Studio of the Year
Telltale Games

Best Performance by a Human Female
Melissa Hutchison as Clementine, The Walking Dead: The Game

Best Adapted Video Game
The Walking Dead: The Game

Best Downloadable Game
The Walking Dead: The Game

Best "Kinda Meh"-Looking Game
The Walking Dead: The Game

Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: JediJman on December 12, 2012, 08:33 AM
Is the show returning in early Feb or late Feb?  I am going thru withdrawl.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Diddly on December 12, 2012, 02:08 PM
The week after the Super Bowl
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: CHEWIE on December 14, 2012, 03:03 PM
I also agree with the question why they have to kill off each new black guy like that

My theory on why they keep killing people is because in the books, Rick's group at this point isn't too big or strong - they are almost always outnumbered, so on the TV series they don't let the group seem dominant either.

The producers may also want to have a representation of other races on the show and are trying to represent the population of the state of Georgia to a degree (about 30% of that state is black), as that's where the location is set right now, while at the same time introducing new characters that are not in the books.

In today's politically sensitive society, maybe they're damned if they don't, damned if they do when it comes to race. When a white person is killed off, it's not talked about in terms of race (just like it really shouldn't be).  There's really not too many black people in the comics anyway, and T-Dog never was even part of it.  I liked his character though and didn't want to see him or Oscar die, but it's a show about death.  A lot of people are going to die.  Very few are safe regardless of their race.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Chris M on December 14, 2012, 04:14 PM
A lot of people are going to die.  Very few are safe regardless of their race.

True dat!!!  I think the only person safe on the show is Rick.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Force Guy on December 15, 2012, 12:32 AM
Here's a video & song I came up with for the best show ever.  Enjoy!

Hazmat Morgan - The Walking Dead (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mge-RUBm8bY)
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: CloneF13Y35 on December 16, 2012, 11:40 AM
Is the show returning in early Feb or late Feb?  I am going thru withdrawl.

It'll be back Feb 10, and they announced the Talking Dead show will now immediately follow it and is going to be an hour long.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Sybeck1 on December 16, 2012, 03:28 PM
So many little things are coming to mind and I walked the finale again.

Axel - Has anyone bothered to ask what he was in the pen for? I mean come on, he could quite possibly be a pedophile.

The Governor lost six guns that night including Merle. How big is their little army? This is really moving too for me, as I hate them moving past the prison so quick? He is off his rocker now. Darryl needs to escape and get his signature crossbow back.

Just how much ammo do they have? This is getting crazy the amount of lead flying. And why wasn't the woods full of walkers after that firefight?
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: CHEWIE on December 16, 2012, 03:51 PM
So many little things are coming to mind and I walked the finale again.

Axel - Has anyone bothered to ask what he was in the pen for? I mean come on, he could quite possibly be a pedophile.

The Governor lost six guns that night including Merle. How big is their little army? This is really moving too for me, as I hate them moving past the prison so quick? He is off his rocker now. Darryl needs to escape and get his signature crossbow back.

Just how much ammo do they have? This is getting crazy the amount of lead flying. And why wasn't the woods full of walkers after that firefight?

Have you read the books at all?  Just curious.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on December 17, 2012, 02:46 AM
On Axel and being in the prison, I thought he said being in for drugs?  And the Oscar didn't seem to dispute that.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on December 17, 2012, 09:15 AM
Guys in prison typically do not know what other guys are in there for, so Oscar probably had no clue one way or the other. Axel did say he was incarcerated for drugs, but take the word of a con for what it is.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: efranks on December 17, 2012, 09:42 AM
There was definitely some creepiness to Axel when he was talking to Beth but then after Carol pulled him aside he made the comment about thinking she was gay.  When she said she wasn’t, he seemed a little more interested in her before she shut him down.  So I think there was a moment there where it could have gone one way then didn’t.  I think it wasn’t so much he’s a pedophile as, like he said, he hadn’t seen a woman in a long time and started with the one he thought the most available.

But here’s a fun tidbit; the chick that plays Beth?  She’s about 27.

   E...
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on December 17, 2012, 02:52 PM
That's like that Sabrina the Teenage Witch chick...  forget her name, but just saw her in a dismal Lifetime movie the other day.

Anyway, way older than a teenager IIRC, during the filming of her TV show.  Weirded me out she was that old.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on December 18, 2012, 11:34 AM
This should tide everyone over until next year.

The Walking Dead Christmas Special (http://youtu.be/4VKHZDwfY6k)
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on December 22, 2012, 12:09 PM
AMC renewed the series for season 4, no surprise, but....Executive producer Glen Mazzara to leave zombie drama after Season 3
 (http://social.entertainment.msn.com/tv/blogs/tv-buzz-blog.aspx?blog=2080&feat=090e2f9c-c0f5-4d8d-8ea6-1ee31962f63a%3Fgt1)

Amicable or not, it's not great news to lose executive producers two seasons in a row.  What is Kirkman or AMC's vision for the show?
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Sybeck1 on January 20, 2013, 07:36 PM
http://www.inquisitr.com/484268/the-walking-dead-new-video-trailer-and-spoilers-video/

New preview, just three weeks away
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: JediJman on January 20, 2013, 09:50 PM
Amicable or not, it's not great news to lose executive producers two seasons in a row.  What is Kirkman or AMC's vision for the show?

Kirkman has always said that his intent is to provide a very LONG story about what happens after the infestation.  I imagine he plans to follow a fairly similar storyline to what appeared in the comics, though exploring/altering/building additional subplots and characters.  With the material that's out there now, they have enough for at least 3-4 more full seasons, and they'll have another 40 issues of the comic to feed from when they're done with that.  I'm not sure why the EPs keep leaving, but it isn't for lack of a long term plan.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BrentS on February 9, 2013, 11:44 PM
I've been catching bits and pieces of the Walking Dead marathon on AMC today. Getting pretty excited for the mid-season premiere.

Unrelated, I was at Barnes and Noble tonight and saw some of the walking dead Graphic Novels. I had no idea they were black and white only illustrations. I just assumed they were in color.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: CloneF13Y35 on February 10, 2013, 10:37 AM
yep all the original comics are b/w but they have released certain ones in color. I think they are also airing a special b/w tv premier thurs nite of the very first tv episode in b/w as well. getting ready for the first half season 3 marathon today before the start of the second part of the season tonite.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on February 10, 2013, 10:42 AM
I'm taking Daryl over Merle tonight...straight up, forget the spread.  :D
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Diddly on February 10, 2013, 10:06 PM
What the heck was that?  ???
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on February 10, 2013, 10:46 PM
At the end? Yeah, weird-o-rama. I was really pulling for the Rick/Tyreese bromance to blossom tonight, guess it was not to be.

The first 6 minutes were complete awesomeness. Epic chaos. And then later I was glad to see them all realize that bringing Merle back into the group was just not possible. That's the kind of weak crap lesser shows would throw together just for the contrived drama. Welcome to your new spin-off show "Walking Dixons"...

Not sure I am getting what's up between Glenn and Maggie. Just general PTSD tension? Seems like he was more pissed at Rick, which again seems kind of misplaced.

Those 2 white dudes with Tyreese and his lady look like some prime walkerbait.

Crazy-ass Rick though, what can you say...let's hope this does not last long because I was just getting used to born-again badass Rick.

Best hour I spend in front of the TV all week!
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on February 10, 2013, 11:37 PM
Thank goodness loud mouthed exposition Merle filled Rick in on goings on. 

Ghost of Christmas Past came to see Rick. All it takes is a baby crying to trigger his muh-muh-muh-mad-madness...

I think we will see Two spin-offs:

Already mentioned, The Walking Dixons...sounds cool, until we learn that half the episodes are flashbacks to their childhood with Donna Dixon as their mother.

The Michonne Ranger...she's out there on her own...alone. Most episodes have no dialouge. They later add a native american sidekick,  Grunto, who is a  zombie, of course.

Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Diddly on February 11, 2013, 02:50 AM
Link for Jesse James: Hines Ward Zombie (http://comicbook.com/blog/2013/02/10/the-walking-dead-mid-season-premiere-yes-that-zombie-is-hines-wards/)
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Tracy on February 11, 2013, 08:30 AM
Anyone catch The Talking Dead last night?  I want to personally thank fanboy Kevin Smith for christening Carl "Wyatt Twerp"

Best part of Walking Dead last night?  Daryl grabbing his bow on the way out of Woodberry.   
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BillCable on February 11, 2013, 09:14 AM
Link for Jesse James: Hines Ward Zombie (http://comicbook.com/blog/2013/02/10/the-walking-dead-mid-season-premiere-yes-that-zombie-is-hines-wards/)

I'd seen images of Ward Zombie online, but wasn't sure if you'd be able to point him out in the show.  Didn't know he'd get his own solo moment like that.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BrentS on February 11, 2013, 10:00 AM

I'd seen images of Ward Zombie online, but wasn't sure if you'd be able to point him out in the show.  Didn't know he'd get his own solo moment like that.

Was he the one that stuck his head through the "fence" at Woodbury?  I thought it might have been him given the "solo" moment.

I enjoyed the show last night quite a bit.  The first segment was riveting.  I did think it was awfully convenient that Darryl was able to get his bow back so easily! I hope crazy-Rick comes around and starts this reported bromance with Tyresse.  Tyresse looks like he'd be a good character for the show/group. 

Having said all that (and I haven't read the graphic novels at all), I hope that the writers are able to turn some of the story back into struggling to survive against the Zombies... I'm less interested in a fued between Rick's group and the Govenah.  Maybe, I'm in the minority about this.

Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BillCable on February 11, 2013, 11:10 AM
Different zombie.  Hines is on the left here, and the peeking zombie is on the right.

(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-bimzxa6A4ZM/UQro0HsX_qI/AAAAAAAACbE/9UJO4ZXIKDk/s320/Hines+Wards+Zombie+Friends.jpg)

In Hines' scene he was standing by himself, they showed him for about 4 seconds.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: bobafett14 on February 11, 2013, 01:31 PM
A) The Hines Ward came was just great!
B) I would have rather seen daryll have to knock the guy out and as the guy falls, have the loded crossbow pop up in the air, he catches it, spins and nails a walker.  vs. just grabbing it off of him.  It still works as sort of a "gimme that" moment and all, but I thought it could have been a little better.

Good epsiode, sets a lot of things up for the season.

   
 
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on February 11, 2013, 10:44 PM
Link for Jesse James: Hines Ward Zombie (http://comicbook.com/blog/2013/02/10/the-walking-dead-mid-season-premiere-yes-that-zombie-is-hines-wards/)

Thanks man...  Yeah I saw his pic back, a month ago anyway on Twitter, so I've been anxious to see if he had a good solid scene, and he does.

I like to think he actually has been zombified and that was him. :)  Celebs are zombies too.

He played, I believe college ball, with T-Dawg so that's the correlation there I guess.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on February 11, 2013, 10:46 PM
Oh and wholely separate rant about the episode of Talking Dead this week...

I HATE Kevin Smith at this point...  I used to think his movies were ok but to me they're really not as great as they're made out to be among our little world of geeks.  They're sub-par to me.

Take that out of the equation...  He IS the quintessential "fanboy" to the point I find him somewhat embarassing...  He's loud, obnoxious, thinks everything he says/does is important and it's not...  I just dont' like him at this point.  Saddened me to find out he's also a bit of a Spike Lee, in that I guess if you criticize him much or his work, he gets really pissy about it...  Heard that more than once.

He's a guy I truly hope doesn't get his pudgy digits anywhere near new Star Wars...  He's the type of guy that'll ruin it.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on February 11, 2013, 11:30 PM
Does he any own any shirts besides hockey jerseys?
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: evenflow on February 12, 2013, 12:16 AM
I thought this week's episode was a bit boring to be honest. I get that i am sure it is a set up episode but was hoping for a bigger episode.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on February 12, 2013, 01:02 AM
I won't say I was bored, but I wasn't on the edge of my seat like usual...  The scariest moment of the episode was the screaming in woodbury...  one dude got ate?  Eh, it happens.

I think his closet must be like Nancy's from Nancy & Sluggo in that there's all the same Islanders jersey.  He's in the same one in every episode or commercial for that comic book show I ever have caught a wiff of.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: JediJman on February 12, 2013, 02:07 AM
Finally caught the mid-season premiere tonight.  Pretty good episode, though it sucks to see Daryl split from the group.  The prison is looking pretty weak with the Dicksons and Andrea out, new recruits on their way out, Michonne banged up and on her way out, and Rick losing his mind.  I know Wyatt Twerp is badass, but he's not badass enough to defend the prison himself.  They need to get Andrea and Science guy out of Woodbury and back over the prison, and hopefully the Dickson's make there way back too.  I'm a little tired of Merle - hopefully he can redeem himself by saving Daryl in some future episode by paying the ultimate price. 

I thought the writing for the Governor was a little weak.  He starts out pitting the Dicksons against each other and won't end it because it's "what the people want."  Then when they escape, he does a complete 180 and could care less about even talking to anyone in town.  Seems like a pretty radical change in behavior for no reason.  If his motive is revenge, he's going to need people on his side to attack the prison, no? 
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: bobafett14 on February 12, 2013, 10:39 AM
I caught the Hines Ward moment.  Pretty cool, ad neatto see him get in there.  I was listening to a few minutes of my local news this morning and they mentioned that T-Dog was an old teamate of Hine's and supposedly helped get him into that cameo.

Pretty neat.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on February 12, 2013, 02:24 PM
There was also a Heinz 57 cameo when they ran out of fake blood and had to borrow some ketchup from the food trailer.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on February 12, 2013, 10:03 PM
What I think will happen in the rest of the season. They'll kidnap the science guy from Woodbury, force him to construct a small nuclear bomb out of materials found only in the prison. But some one is a spy, let's say Carol (she's still mad about Sofia), so the Governor gets wise and attacks. Half of Rick's group dies (the left half), but the rest escape with the bomb and catapult the nuke into Woodbury (Carl had found a book "Medieval Warfare for Dummies" in the prison library, so making a catapult was no problem.)

The governor somehow escapes in the nick of time, but gets bitten by walkers. He injects himself with an experimental vaccine the science guy was working on (never mentioned before the episode). He becomes half undead with the ability to communicate and command the walkers. By the next day, Rick's group is surrounded by a horde with no escape...

Then Rick wakes up. It was a dream.  He looks in the mirror and...half-zombie Governor behind him! OMG!  :o

It's all edited in a way that we are unsure at what point in time Rick woke. Just after arriving at the prison? The farm? CDC? The hospital?
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: bobafett14 on February 14, 2013, 11:38 AM
Disney is now in the works to buy AMC... in the season finale I heard Boba Fett is rumored to swoop in and take everyone out!

Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: JediJman on February 14, 2013, 04:31 PM
Disney is now in the works to buy AMC... in the season finale I heard Boba Fett is rumored to swoop in and take everyone out!

That's totally ridiculous.  Who would be paying him?   ;)
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Ghost of QG on February 17, 2013, 11:20 PM
The last ten minutes kicked it up another notch tonight!!!
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on February 17, 2013, 11:26 PM

On Talking Dead Kirkman said this was the series finale. Too bad. Oh, he was joking.

Not manning a guard tower is really dumb. Good guys are dumb. They cannot hear, either. Or the Governor has a stealth pick-up.

Michonne practically let that guy walk past her. Why didn't they immediately shoot at that van? They just wait for the baclk to open so the Gauntlet monster generator inside can churn out walkers.

Glenn's truck must've been telported onto the road...because there's little reason for his dumbfounded reaction. Guns are loud. Did he have the stereo turned up all the way?

Rick envisions Lori wearing a backless white gown for some reason. Classy crazy train.

Apparently there's a show limit on creepy rednecks, too. Axel might as well have been dead already, because almost everytime he offered to help, he'd get turned down. (interesting the actor that played him said he auditioned for a serial killer that would've kidnapped one of the women, Beth, maybe).

Not that it was a bad episode. It was better than last week. The rescue of the bridge people seemed odd...if only because running into anyone alive in the open seems weird at this point.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: evenflow on February 17, 2013, 11:59 PM
Much better than last week. Last 10 min rocked. The gov. seemed to having a lot of fun and very little care about getting shot. Good times.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: JediJman on February 18, 2013, 12:27 AM
Another great episode tonight.  I was just waiting for the Gov to pop up.  I don't get why they didn't have someone in the guard tower - in the book that was Andrea's role, but clearly someone in the group could shoot.  The book also has Dale's RV blocking the main gate, which would have prevented the ice cream truck of doom.  I was okay with the sit and watch reaction though - I'm sure they thought the gate made them safe and were wondering if the truck contained friend or foe.  I don't get why the Governor stopped shooting though.  As soon as everyone's out in the open he decides to trust that the walkers will get them?  Surprised he didn't pull the full comic book villain and yell out his master plan as the zombies sprung free. 

The Axel death was a shocker.  He does sneak off and kill some of the women in the comics, so I'm sure the writers switched that one around to surprise the fans of the book.  He would have been too predictible as a killer from within and the group's spread pretty thin as it is until Tyreese gets back.  Speaking of which, were they too far away to hear all of the gunfire?  I wonder where they snuck off to...
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Diddly on February 18, 2013, 04:19 AM
Heh, I was starting to grow an interest in Axel, but of course the Walking Dead Rule went into effect; any character given unusual amounts of talking time bites the dust. I thought it was funny how that one episode Axel is hitting on Hershel's other daughter (never can remember her name) and then last week she says she always wanted a baby. I was waiting for Axel to pop up and go "helloooooooooo" or something, ha. Sucks to be Carol too, she finally appears happy and then BOOM.

Last 10 minutes were awesome, and I totally didn't see it coming. I figured the big assault would be the last 2 episodes or something. I guess the Governor used his infinite ammo cheat? :P

"He's Korean!" Awesome segment with Daryl and Merle. Really pointed out how the younger, "weaker" brother has become the superior.

Reddit says that the same music being played when Rick saw Lori was the same music played in Season 1 when Morgan saw his zombified wife.

Did I miss something as to why Glenn and Maggie are fighting? Feels like they got rescued and all of a sudden hate each other. I guess the writer who gets drunk and always shows up to work late is now writing their storyline now that Lori is "gone"?

And what happened to that other group? I assume they're coming back but they've all but vanished.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on February 18, 2013, 09:25 AM
I think a woman must be writing the Maggie/Glenn storyline because every guy I have talked to does not get WTF her problem is either. Why is she SO mad at him?

The only thing I can think of is that she seems to think he is more worried about whether she was actually raped than whether she is ok or not. Like he is hung up on the details or something and missing the bigger picture. They're both acting stupid though, which I guess you have to chalk up to PTSD. At least Mags is starting down the healing path with the baby-feeding and all.

And WTF was Glenn during the big shoot-out anyway? Agreed he should have heard the shots and shown up a lot faster.

I don't understand how Mr Sunglasses ended up in the Guard Tower anyway. Wouldn't you have to be inside the fence to get up there? I'm glad they finally killed him at least, I kept thinking "they are wasting a TON of ammo and not hitting ANYONE".

I figured we would get more out of the Walking Dixons subplot, but whateves. I liked the cutaway shot as they were walking off the bridge - Darryl was right, it WAS Yellow Jacket Creek. Ain't nothing wrong with HIS sense of direction! I agree it seemed weird to see other survivors at this point.

I'm getting to the point where any of the scenes in Woodbury now just bore me. I just don't care about Andrea, the effeminate guy, Martinez, whoever. I figure most all of these people are going to be dead pretty soon anyway, so what's the point? Those scenes just seem to drag down the pace of the show somehow.

Just when I thought I was going to start liking Axel, BOOM! bullet to the head. Another comic-swerve, well done too, that was a shocker. That whole last sequence was crazy-awesome.

And speaking of crazy, I guess one or two episodes was not enough to drive home Rick-is-the-mayor-of-Crazytown now, so I'm guessing this will plod on the rest of the season. Ugh, I feel for the guy but get it together man! At least he 'fessed up to Hershel, first step is admitting you have a problem, bro...

Hoping we have not seen the last of Tyreese, that would be one cruel fan-tease.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: JediJman on February 18, 2013, 01:29 PM
I think I get the Glenn/Maggie thing.  Maggie was seriously abused by the Governor.  Even though he didn't go all the way, I think the way he demeaned her was just as bad.  He took away her sense of dignity and control, and she was put in that position because of Glenn.  No, Glenn didn't do anything to cause that, but he was the reason she caved and he is around to catch the blame.   Glenn also seems concerned about how far the abuse went, as though Maggie should be less traumatized that it didn't go all the way.  So we end up with Maggie feeling powerless and Glenn busy/stressed trying to organize a defense.  I'm sure she wants some sympathy and understanding while he wants her to get up and help out.  People have gotten pissy with their significant others for far less.  Maggie has some suicidal tendancies in the book - I wonder if they're taking this route to set that up?

I don't really get the guard tower bit either, but I suppose that's where they were going when Glenn asked who was on watch.  I'm guessing that's when someone slipped into the guard tower.  What happened to the driver of the Zombiemobile?  Did he get shot and I just missed it?  I didn't see anyone run back through the gate.

I also don't get why Rick/Daryl/Merle have that stranded look on the outside.  The fence was breached and there are now what 10-15 zombies between the interior and exterior fences?  Heck, they took out more than than saving Rick!  I don't get why they didn't immediately run back around to the interior fence and kill off everything that got through, then try to plug up the holes in the fence?  The longer they wait, the worse that's going to get. 

I really hope we find out where the hell Glenn went.  Can't believe he drove off like that and wasn't back sooner.  And why didn't the Governor's men take him on the way out or on the way back in?  I love that no one can hit each other in a gun fight, but people are bullseying Zombie foreheads from 100 yards.  Oh well.  I wouldn't be very happy if half the cast were killed off either I suppose.

Best part of the show was Merle and Daryl in the forrest.  I loved the arguing between the two and Daryl standing up to his brother to rescue the bridgepeople.  The scenes where we see it really is the Yellowjacket and Daryl calls Merle out for leaving him were really powerful.  My only regret is having watched the show right away.  Now I have 7 days of waiting...
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Tracy on February 18, 2013, 01:44 PM
I think a woman must be writing the Maggie/Glenn storyline because every guy I have talked to does not get WTF her problem is either. Why is she SO mad at him?

I think you just closer to answering your own question.   >:(
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Sybeck1 on February 18, 2013, 01:56 PM
Crazy Rick dropped the ball. Chasing the White Rabbit, he left his birdseye perch and his binoculars. He would have saw the Governor and could have even stopped that ice cream truck with his .223 with some shots in the windshield.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Sybeck1 on February 19, 2013, 12:27 PM
Here is possible plotline I could see. That the Governor kidnaps or attempts to kidnap Judith.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on February 19, 2013, 01:34 PM
Great episode...  Axel, man I just knew his time was finite with the group and that is a bummer because I thought perhaps they were ssetting him up to fit in, be the new "Dale" that can fix stuff...  Underappreciated necessity in a world like that.

I'm apparantly nowhere near as cheesed off about Glenn as you guys are...  Prisons can be HUGE complexes...  I gathered he was on the other side scouting.  In the truck it maybe took him some time to hear the shots even, but if he's on the other side of it, who knows how long it would take to get back to the front?  It doesn't seem to me that there's any road/path following the perimeter fence.  That doesn't bother me as much as it bothers me that he just wandered off and started acting like a bit of a prick.

Kind of agree on the whole Maggie/Glenn arc...  it's been frustrating to watch some of it.  It doesn't bother me really, it's just not interesting to me at this moment.

I agree on the shoot-out realism...  People go from zombie headshots to not able to hit much with military-grade weaponry.  It's arguable that zombies don't move fast, duck much, or whatever.  I can buy that ultimately, but the guy on the tower should've gone down fast, as should the mexican guy from Woodbury...  Neither ducked, they stood and fired.  Hell, the Governor's a perfectly black silhouette at a distance, who never moved, so Rick should've been able to easily put him down with his rifle as well.

The Speedy Delivery driver hauled ass...  Almost a ninja-esque person dressed in like armor/motocross looking gear.  Looked very small/petite to me too.  Part of me thinks whoever Speedy Delivery is, they're a more important character.  Just my opinion, but I don't think it's the last of that person we'll see.  They hauled ass out and away from the truck though and I believe to The Governor.

I didn't see The Governor change magazines once...   :-\

Hopefully Rick has his **** together...  I'm tired of his BS right now.  Axel's dead because of it.  He doesn't care, fine, but get your **** together because you have kids to think about.  Stop being a ninny.

Be interesting to see several things now going forward...

First, Andrea's interaction with the group.  She's clearly getting annoyed with Woodbury, but she's dumb enough I suppose she may stay anyway.

Second, Glenn's new role as badass.

Third, Where the other group wound up going...  On talking Dead they said the other group is NOT in the prison.  They left after Rick's freak-out and now they're who knows where.

Fourth, Darryl/Merl's melding back in.  Merl obviously is the better story as I think Darryl's back...  It's nice though to see, at times, that Merl isn't 100% bad.  That's something I LOVE about the show.  Everyone just wants to hate Merl, but he's shown flashes of humanity...  Sympathy at Andrea's sister dying, and then his brothers scars...  They humanize Merl making it hard to totally hate him.  He CAN be an asset, but he's obviously also a liability.  Like Shane you want him around for what he can accomplish but you hate to have to deal with his BS.

Wish they'd taken the Mexicans with them to the prison...  Beef up the ranks some. :P  Those people's asses are grass I'm afraid.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: name on February 19, 2013, 02:09 PM


I agree on the shoot-out realism...  People go from zombie headshots to not able to hit much with military-grade weaponry.  It's arguable that zombies don't move fast, duck much, or whatever.  I can buy that ultimately, but the guy on the tower should've gone down fast, as should the mexican guy from Woodbury...  Neither ducked, they stood and fired.  Hell, the Governor's a perfectly black silhouette at a distance, who never moved, so Rick should've been able to easily put him down with his rifle as well.



Walkers don't shoot back.  Shooting the same shuffling thing that you've been targeting for better part of the year is a routine experience.  Targeting a living thing that has (a) caught you by surprise and (b) is actively returning fire is likely to play with your nerves a little. 

I have no issue with this.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: CHEWIE on February 19, 2013, 03:28 PM
The Axel death was a shocker.  He does sneak off and kill some of the women in the comics, so I'm sure the writers switched that one around to surprise the fans of the book.  He would have been too predictible as a killer from within and the group's spread pretty thin as it is until Tyreese gets back.  Speaking of which, were they too far away to hear all of the gunfire?  I wonder where they snuck off to...

Actually, that's not Axel who murders the women.  It's Thomas - Link. (http://walkingdead.wikia.com/wiki/Thomas)
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on February 19, 2013, 03:55 PM
Walkers don't shoot back, but come on...  The Governor's fairly inept guys can stand around popping rounds off like they're rednecks out back shooting a car, but Rick and his crew ALL are kept down?

I'm sorry, it's unrealistic...  The second any of them had to reload, which was also unrealistically portrayed, you have an opportunity to fire back...  Each guy seemed to have a "zone" to cover, that seemed sort of obvious.

It's unrealistic, I'm sorry...  I'm not saying I care really, I'm just saying it's not something that can really be bs'd to believability either.  :D
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: JediJman on February 19, 2013, 03:56 PM
The Axel death was a shocker.  He does sneak off and kill some of the women in the comics, so I'm sure the writers switched that one around to surprise the fans of the book.  He would have been too predictible as a killer from within and the group's spread pretty thin as it is until Tyreese gets back.  Speaking of which, were they too far away to hear all of the gunfire?  I wonder where they snuck off to...

Actually, that's not Axel who murders the women.  It's Thomas - Link. (http://walkingdead.wikia.com/wiki/Thomas)

Good correction there.  I was just thinking Axel would fill that role since there is no Thomas in the show...
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on February 19, 2013, 06:49 PM
He revealed on Talking Dead that he actually was to be cast as a serial killer loose who does kidnap some of the group and stuff...  then he became Axel.

Who's gonna fix anything?  I guess Glenn can try but he's already got a plate overflowing I think.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on February 19, 2013, 09:03 PM
Who's gonna fix anything?  I guess Glenn can try but he's already got a plate overflowing I think.

Yeah, Andrea needs to recruit Milton over to Rick's group. The rest of Woodbury seems pretty expendable at this point.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on February 19, 2013, 09:14 PM
Hah, I don't think Milton will do well under a hood.  ;D

He was a little slimey this week...  lost some respect for him.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Diddly on February 19, 2013, 11:18 PM
RE: People being able to headshot zombies

It's the Stormtrooper effect. You have terrible aim when shooting at important or living characters, but random, nameless soldiers (or zombies) are expendable and can be taken out with ease. :P

Oh and cool callback to season 1:

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v283/DiddlySquat/5p7gomE_zpsf9e872d6.jpg)
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Greg on February 19, 2013, 11:46 PM
RE: People being able to headshot zombies

It's the Stormtrooper effect. You have terrible aim when shooting at important or living characters, but random, nameless soldiers (or zombies) are expendable and can be taken out with ease. :P

You are absolutely right, and I'm glad the stormtrooper effect was in play. Had everyone been a crack shot most of the 10 or so combatants would have been killed in the firefight and that would have been a very disappointing end to the series.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on February 20, 2013, 12:20 AM
I think I'd prefer to have seen EVERYONE NOT be a crack shot.  :)  Not just Rick's group.  That's my beef.  The Governor's douches went from fairly inept to quite efficient quickly.

Zombie Bomb was cool though...  a very solid idea.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: speedermike on February 20, 2013, 09:33 AM
It always amuses me when people say a gun fight isn't realistic.  If you haven't been in one, how can you know what goes through one's mind under such duress?

Anyway, I like this show a lot, but I really don't see it going anywhere...the group finds a nice place...things get normal...zombies overrun place...group runs...group meets other group...initial distrust and tension...eventually they get along...the group finds a nice place...zombies overrun place.

Yeah, it is somewhat logical, but it makes fro dull fiction in the long run.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Qui-Gon Jim on February 20, 2013, 09:57 AM
That is why I never say this show is about the zombies.  The zombies are the reason for the collapse of societal norms, and an ever-present danger.  This story is about the characters, and about what happens when law and order goes away, and they do a good job keeping it fresh, so while the plot on paper is repetitious, the series does not feel that way.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BillCable on February 20, 2013, 10:29 AM
Yeah, it is somewhat logical, but it makes fro dull fiction in the long run.

I haven't read the comics, but they've been able to churn out 100+ issues without losing their fan base.  They must have some original ideas in store.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on February 20, 2013, 11:01 AM
It always amuses me when people say a gun fight isn't realistic.  If you haven't been in one, how can you know what goes through one's mind under such duress?

We know some of the character have been through gunfights, yet they seem sloppy here, the Governor's attack was sloppy and who knows how many ambushes he's set up? As easily as his men took out the national guard (too easily, really), Rick's crew would be 90% dead now.

The real stretch was that the Dixon bros. made it to the prison the same day at just the right time.  TROPE A- DOPE.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Sybeck1 on February 20, 2013, 11:20 AM
I wonder if Darryl has another shirt? ???
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on February 20, 2013, 03:22 PM
It always amuses me when people say a gun fight isn't realistic.  If you haven't been in one, how can you know what goes through one's mind under such duress?

We know some of the character have been through gunfights, yet they seem sloppy here, the Governor's attack was sloppy and who knows how many ambushes he's set up? As easily as his men took out the national guard (too easily, really), Rick's crew would be 90% dead now.

The real stretch was that the Dixon bros. made it to the prison the same day at just the right time.  TROPE A- DOPE.

This... 

Gunfights aren't unreal...  WE see them on TV.  We've had them throughout history...  We know how people react.  From the OK Corral to the video'd shootout where bodyarmored thieves robbed a bank with high capacity magazines on kalishnakov's...  I think it's fair, without being in a gunfight, to make educated guesses based on reality combined with what we know from the show then and the characters.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: JediJman on February 20, 2013, 05:49 PM
Anyway, I like this show a lot, but I really don't see it going anywhere...the group finds a nice place...things get normal...zombies overrun place...group runs...group meets other group...initial distrust and tension...eventually they get along...the group finds a nice place...zombies overrun place.

Yeah, it is somewhat logical, but it makes fro dull fiction in the long run.

You should read the books.  You're right, there is a familiar cycle of "we think this place is safe, whoops it isn't."  But Kirkman has done a great job of A.) introducing non-repetitive characters and B.) demonstrating that the group learns from their previous experiences.   The next place they find will not be a prison, but they will look at it from that angle and examine "here's why this option is better" or "here's what we need to do differently this time."  OR, they will get to a new place and have some regret about what they've left behind. 

There are still dozens upon dozens of really interesting scenarios to cover.  What happens when it gets cold?  How long will the zombies last?  Do they decay to the point of inactivity?  What happens when the food runs out?  What happens when the bullets run out?  How could they fortify a camp better than the prison?  What other interesting survivors will they meet up with?  Will they trust them?  Is there a cure?  Can they rebuild?  I just read this month's issue last night and in the letters column, Kirkman talks about the intentional slow de-evolution of this world.  Yeah, everyone has guns right now and canned food, diapers, etc.  That stuff is finite.  The characters are going to have to learn to sustain themselves beyond raids and some of their tactics are going to have to return to medevil times.  It is fascinating to see how people still place themselves into these factions and continue to fight each other instead of the larger threat.  I just find it very reflective of how people are in this day and age - more private and less trusting despite technology that allows us to communicate any time and any place.

I think that all makes for a really interesting ongoing story of survival.  I'm constantly asking myself "what would I do?" throughout the shows, and that makes it more engaging for me than anything else on TV right now.  Your mom is dying and will turn into a zombie if you don't shoot her in the head.  What would you do?  You've trusted a cop to lead your group and know he's totally off his rocker.  What would you do?  You're reunited with your brother, but have totally different values now.  What would you do?   I love the zombies and shootouts and fast pace of the storyline, but what really makes the show a success IMO is that they keep coming up with these interesting scenarios that make you question what you would do to survive while holding on to some semblance of your humanity. 
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on February 20, 2013, 07:54 PM
I have a friend, she's a huge zombie-phile, and she's pushing me to read the books so we have more to talk about with it because she's read them all...  I'm pretty sure I'll be picking up the first one soon. 

I keep getting told so many of teh aspects are different that it's worth reading them and doesn't spoil the show much.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on February 20, 2013, 10:22 PM
I just started reading them today.  It's interesting to see how thing play out differently.

So far I prefer the show, for the most part.   I think the CDC was a more interesting choice than where the group went in the comic after leaving the camp, though they could've done both in the show.

The prison looks more like a real prison in the comic, though....lots of open area around it, not some old looking place off in the woods.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Greg on February 20, 2013, 11:26 PM
I have a friend, she's a huge zombie-phile, and she's pushing me to read the books so we have more to talk about with it because she's read them all...  I'm pretty sure I'll be picking up the first one soon. 

I keep getting told so many of teh aspects are different that it's worth reading them and doesn't spoil the show much.

Just some advice Jesse: If you don't mind shelling out more money at once, go for the Compendiums. Each volume has 48 issues. It is cheaper overall than buying individual TPBs, plus once you start reading you might not be able to stop. The Compendiums mostly eliminate the need to change books. :D
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on February 21, 2013, 12:31 AM
Yeah I figure I'll go that way...  I buy SW comics in whole volumes now.  I like them looking more like actual books plus being able to just grab the one I want by the title on the spine...  All that appeals to me on stuff on my book shelf. :)
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Tracy on February 21, 2013, 08:29 AM
I also don't get why Rick/Daryl/Merle have that stranded look on the outside.  The fence was breached and there are now what 10-15 zombies between the interior and exterior fences?  Heck, they took out more than than saving Rick!  I don't get why they didn't immediately run back around to the interior fence and kill off everything that got through, then try to plug up the holes in the fence?  The longer they wait, the worse that's going to get. 


I took the last shot as being symbolic of how fractured/separated the group is becoming.  The longer they stand around and wait to fix it - the worse it's going to get......

On another note - besides the great things that everybody has brought up - there is a little thing that has been bothering me.  In the previews for this week's episode Carol is talking to Daryl about what a bad influence Merle is on him.   I like the relationship Carol and Daryl are building - albiet slowly - I just hope she doesn't turn into Lori and start nagging and harping on him about Shane.2  I like the way Carol has come into her own - I hope it's handled well - she usually has a good way of talking to Daryl.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: JediJman on February 21, 2013, 12:27 PM
I think its great that Carol is willing to risk talking to Daryl about Merle.  He seems to be realizing it on his own, but I think having someone else to lean on for a change will be good for Daryl.  I really don't see her turning into Lori, but even if she did I'd have more tolerance for the advice of an abused-widow than the wife-who-slept-with-the-best-friend.

Jesse - if you're looking to read the books, I would actually suggest the Trades over the Compendiums.  Amazon (http://"http://www.amazon.com/WALKING-DEAD-Complete-Current-Paperbacks/lm/3KMT35CVIM1KE") has the trades for $3-8 each, while the compendium is going to run you +$30.  You can get the first 7 trade for about $40.  Beyond price, I find comics in a compendium to be annoying because you have to either limit opening the book to 90 degrees or pry the binding apart to see everything.  The Trades also give you new covers and they all fit together to form an ongoing picture, which is kind of cool.  I also like how the storylines kind of wrap up a little with each trade, kind of like chapters.  It makes it easier to remember where and when events took place in the story.

If you wanted to go with the original comic format, they've also re-published a good chunk of them for $.99 a pop.  You could probably find a good chunk of them for cheap going that route, but might be more tedious trying to find individual issues. 

To each their own, but I love the trades.  I would still be buying them, but once I caught up to the current storyline I had to start getting the monthlies.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on February 21, 2013, 03:22 PM
I think that's what I was thinking of...  Like how SW comics are bound by series, but there's like CW Vol1, Vol2, etc.

That's what I prefer...  Not a giant book of everything, oh no.

Individual comics I'm not a fan of because they don't store well, and you can't pick it off your shelf and get the exact volume you want since there's no spine to them really.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: name on February 24, 2013, 09:51 PM
has anyone done the online story synch thing while watching?  It's kind of cool....but also a little distracting.
 
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Sybeck1 on February 24, 2013, 11:16 PM
Well this was mainly a filler episode, and next week looks to be also. Andrea does have a great backside though
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on February 24, 2013, 11:25 PM
Merle knows how to read. That was the most shocking revelation in the episode.

Tyreese said "stop...hammer time" on that walker. The Governor's stock greeting to newcomers...you can leave tomorrow...but think it over.

Milton is a bit of a sheepish twit, but he knows it's better to serve in heaven than reign in hell.

I was almost expecting some one to be stowed away in Andrea's car's trunk. Trojan horse play! Apparently not.

Why are they suddenly low on food at the prison?

What is Rick up to with the road trip? I mean, it's not a bad idea show-wise, because the prison and Woodbury are getting stale.

I think the trio will find a Burger King that's still open but it's serving horse meat, so they keep on driving.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on February 25, 2013, 04:41 AM
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I was almost expecting some one to be stowed away in Andrea's car's trunk. Trojan horse play!

And I wish it was me.

I almost did the story synch thing but I'm just not that ambitious.  I figure some night I'm going to watch it on In Demand, and try story synch on the gf's iPad, but I figured it would definitely throw off the experience so I'd only do it on a 2nd viewing.  :-\

I got the impression Rick was running for arms and stuff?  I don't know though...  They seem to find crap here and there.  Gonna be tough to match Woodbury's stuff, but hey, whatever.  maybe he remembers a gunshop somewhere?  Or mental noted some redneck's house?  Or maybe he figures every police station has a pile of hardware in it?

Or it's another formula run.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: name on February 25, 2013, 07:55 AM

I almost did the story synch thing but I'm just not that ambitious.  I figure some night I'm going to watch it on In Demand, and try story synch on the gf's iPad, but I figured it would definitely throw off the experience so I'd only do it on a 2nd viewing.  :-\

It was mostly a bunch of user surveys  and trivia questions about past episodes related tp the current scene.    "What should Andrea do next?" and "Maggie quoted scripture to Hershel once in season two...why?" type questions.  Cool that it was live with the broadcast but I was hoping for something more insightful or some behind the scenes info in real time.

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maybe he remembers a gunshop somewhere?  Or mental noted some redneck's house?  Or maybe he figures every police station has a pile of hardware in it?

Or it's another formula run.

He's taking Carl out to a zombie herd to drop him alone and then stand on the sidelines yelling "you want me to stop now you little ****?  Want Daryl or Hershel to take over?"
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Post by: McMetal on February 25, 2013, 10:05 AM
Yeah, this seemed like one of the obligatory "let's develop our characters" episode rather than focusing on moving the plot forward. Which I get, you have to keep things interesting.

So we got some actual emotion out of Michonne, and we all thank you for psychologically b*tch slapping Andrea because her act is just getting tiresome.

Like LOST, so much of this show hingers on people not volunteering information at the right time, and this is frustrating to me. Maggie couldn't have pulled Andrea aside for 30 seconds and said "BTW, let me clue you in on how I was treated by your man Phillip when I was in Woodbury"?

I did love Scripture-quoting Merle. Noticed they added him as a full time cast member in the credits, so I assume he will stick around for awhile. Between this and the abuse-implication last week, they seem to be making an effort to soften him up around the rough edges a little. Fine with me, dude has major screen presence and his acting is always strong.

I kinda liked the Carl-Rick talk too. I feel like the kid was just trying to get dad to give himself a break rather than busting his balls over losing it.

Zombie-curbing was terrific, right up there with the car-trunk decapitation a few weeks back.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Diddly on February 25, 2013, 01:00 PM
Beware the Governor's army of housewives and pre-pubescent asthmatic kids!

Michonne telling Andrea that she didn't tell the group anything. Understatement of the year. :P Nice reference to Zombieland with the cardio.

Why is Merle, the one-handed guy, handling the opening/closing of the gate?

Nice of the group to give Andrea the dirty, non-hybrid. Gotta keep those squeaky clean fuel efficient 2013 Hondas with 0% financing and no down payment until March 2015 for ourselves!

Oh, and Andrea brought back the "M'ASK YOU SUMTHIN'!"
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on February 25, 2013, 02:55 PM
I'd have wanted the Police/prison car.  They have reinforced transmissions and undercarriages usually, heavy duty brakes...  Other than 4WD they're little fotresses.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BrentS on February 25, 2013, 08:36 PM
Was sort of a filler episode. But I'm happy to see Rick coming back from crazytown. I had forgotten that Andrea had no idea that Shane was dead. She's been away from the crew for so long.

So on to the previews for next week... Anyone think the "shooter" in the preview for next week is Morgan from Season 1?  He's got to come back sometime??
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: evenflow on February 25, 2013, 08:49 PM
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So on to the previews for next week... Anyone think the "shooter" in the preview for next week is Morgan from Season 1?  He's got to come back sometime??
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I would like to see him back, didnt see the preview though.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on February 26, 2013, 01:06 AM
It  would make sense. Morgan would be someone that Rick failed to get killed. So he's gotta a reputation to keep. He made short work of the prisoners, half of Hershell's bunch, over half the original camp, the CDC guy....wanted to live until he met Rick's bunch.

This means Rick drives back to his home town to get one guy (and his son)? Or just happens to stumble across him, because the southeast United States is a small world, after all.

My bet is Rick plans to get the gold at Fort Knox to bribe the governor or set a trap. The governor looks like a pirate now and pirates love gold.  The season finale is a showdown on a lake between Rick's galleys, built from prison pallets, oared by walkers vs. the Governor's people on ski-doos. Rick wins because days before the epic naval engagement, he kidnaps Milton and forces him to rediscovers the secret of Greek Fire.

Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on February 26, 2013, 01:27 AM
I think you stole some of that from Waterworld.
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Post by: Sybeck1 on February 26, 2013, 12:40 PM
If Morgan does come back, remember the one black guy rule is still in effect. Tyresse either dies or Morgan would not make through a whole episode.........
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Post by: Jesse James on February 26, 2013, 01:23 PM
Woodbury seems to be allowed more than one black guy.  Racial equality and seeing Andrea semi-nude are its only redeeming features.
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Post by: Scockery on February 26, 2013, 07:27 PM
Showers and stuff.

After a week, we'd all kill Rick for a shower.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Sybeck1 on March 3, 2013, 12:03 PM
Some posts I found are saying this episode tonight will be the best one yet. That one is hard to believe. The promo is quite heartless as Rick and company fly past a lone survior walking down the road
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Tracy on March 3, 2013, 09:19 PM

So on to the previews for next week... Anyone think the "shooter" in the preview for next week is Morgan from Season 1?  He's got to come back sometime??
Good call. At first I thought it would be a little too convenient for them to run into him on a supply run - but it makes a lot more sense considering they went back to Rick's ground zero.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on March 3, 2013, 10:54 PM
Road trip!

I can't get over the fact that after all this this they're still just a short jaunt from Rickville, or wherever. So great to see Morgan again. For a dude with nothing to live for anymore, he took a lot of pains to insure his survival. All that Home Alone stuff was nuts.

Seemed like Rick got a glimpse into his future there. I felt like he was talking to himself as much as Morgan for awhile there. I had a brief hope Morgan would come back with them and we would finally get somebody into the Tyreese type supporting role, but again not to be. I do sort of feel like we haven't seen the last of him. At least he knows Rick's at the prison if he has a change of heart.

A little more Michonne still goes a long way, love how they are developing her character slowly but surely. That was one ugly ass cat though, lol.

Ultimately though, how productive was that trip? They got a few more guns, but wasted a lot of gas and ammo in the process, and still no food I would imagine. Oh, but they did pick up that sweet ass crib and the photo though, whew.

The whole thing with the hitchhiker was brutal and completely awesome.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Sybeck1 on March 3, 2013, 11:12 PM
That was a different arms locker than what was in the pilot. Why leave the high powered stuff the first time?  No extra vests lying around? Seems like between the prison and the police station there would be more kevlar.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on March 3, 2013, 11:18 PM

Seemed like Rick got a glimpse into his future there. I felt like he was talking to himself as much as Morgan for awhile there.


I almost expected Carl and Michonne to come back and find that Rick had been talking to himself the whole time.

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Ultimately though, how productive was that trip? They got a few more guns, but wasted a lot of gas and ammo in the process, and still no food I would imagine. Oh, but they did pick up that sweet ass crib and the photo though, whew.

The whole thing with the hitchhiker was brutal and completely awesome.

I would've had them pick up the hitcher and then he gets shot to death by Morgan. But instead of dying due to meeting Rick, he dies by seeing Rick. Rick is now the Flying Dutchman of the apocalypse. He might have survived, not having expended energy trying to catch them. Doubt that? He'd made it this long.

Did you catch the "Erin we've headed to..." sign at the start and the zombie girl at the car window with the bracelet that said ERIN. Was she one those the hitcher's pals?

Morgan is the exterminator of the apocalypse and anything that moves is vermin. I wondered from the "_____ Turned"  writing if he hadn't encounter other survivors who died on him (it wasn't just Duane, there were other names) or what?

Michonne gets the cat, a bar of booze and she gets an ornamental cat?

Poor Carl didn't know about the storage unit in Atlanta. What happened to those two people? Or were those webisodes just mostly meaningless in the big picture?
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: JediJman on March 4, 2013, 08:04 AM
I liked last night's episode, but it wasn't my favorite.  Hopefully the experience makes Rick a little softer.  I get wanting to protect your group from strangers, but they were all strangers in the beginning.  I would have trouble sleeping after finding the hitcher I left behind torn to pieces.  Thats cold.

Good to see Morgan, but I dont get why he went to lengths to protect his position if he has a death wish.  Clearly hes not right in the head after losing Duane (gut wrenching story there with the mom).  I did like how he was crazy-rationalizing this and that like the walkie and Rick giving him the gun.  I could see that from someone whoblamed himself for his child's death.

Michonne was fantastic.  Quickly becomming my favorite character.  Im not sure why she didnt just open the front door and take all the bar walkers in the street or kill them one by one while they went for the rats though.

The "supply run" was really about Rick getting more guns/ammo, which makes sense given how much complaining there has been about wasting bullets.  They had two big bags of guns, so I would call that a success.  You can also see them loading grocery bags in the trunk at the end, so I took it that they found some food or formula as well.
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Post by: Chris M on March 4, 2013, 08:57 AM
Agreed with the above.  I really enjoyed last nights episode.  I was a bit concerned it was just going to be a filler episode after seeing the previews, but I didn't feel it was that at all.  We did get some back story and probably some more insight into Rick's character, as well as Michonne, and even got to see a little Carl badass come out.  All in all, good solid episode.  I just wish this season were going to run more than 16 episodes.  We're almost done for the season.  Anybody have word on how long season 4 will be?
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on March 4, 2013, 09:24 AM
Forgot to mention what a terrific relief it was to have a whole episode and no momentum-sapping scenes from Woodbury. God, that storyline just sucks all the air out of this series. It is looking more and more unlikely they will wrap that all up this season too...ugh.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BillCable on March 4, 2013, 10:15 AM
I thought it was a decent episode.  Risking your life for a photograph doesn't make any sense, but maybe in a post-apocalyptic zombie world it does.  I think they should at least have had the courtesy to open the doors when they were done so the zombies could make their way towards to booby traps. 

Nice seeing Michonne acting slightly human.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Sybeck1 on March 4, 2013, 10:39 AM
You can always nit pick episodes but consider this. That walker loaded bar is only at best two blocks from where Morgan lives. Given all of the walker traps he has build he would to have cleared all local building out for materials or had at least went into a eating establishment to search for food.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on March 4, 2013, 12:49 PM
You can always nit pick episodes but consider this. That walker loaded bar is only at best two blocks from where Morgan lives. Given all of the walker traps he has build he would to have cleared all local building out for materials or had at least went into a eating establishment to search for food.

I wondered that, too. He was clearing whole blocks, but not TGI-Undeadies? We could assume most of the food inside would've gone bad besides the most basic things (flour, sugar) , and restaurants don't stock much from what i hear.

Not sure how on the ball he was anyway, even before the madness. If you couldn't off your zombie wife, you could lure her into some structure and lock her inside it. That wouldn't make for a good story. "I locked in her in tool shed, Rick. MY OWN WIFE! Locked in a cheap alluminum shack!"
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Tracy on March 4, 2013, 04:18 PM
Who knows - maybe in the beginning he cleared the dive out of what little food was in  there and then - along with Duane - lured a bunch of walkers inside to pen them up. Maybe that was how he rolled until he decided to "Clear" his world of walkers - dead or alive.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: JediJman on March 4, 2013, 05:57 PM
Who knows - maybe in the beginning he cleared the dive out of what little food was in  there and then - along with Duane - lured a bunch of walkers inside to pen them up. Maybe that was how he rolled until he decided to "Clear" his world of walkers - dead or alive.

Didn't it also seem like there was a lock on the outside?  What if Morgan caught some people sneaking in there or lured them in, then locked it from the outside.  If there were a few walkers in there or even if someone was bit, it wouldn't take long to turn the whole group into Z's.  Maybe that group hadn't been there all that long...

I would like to know where Morgan got all those weapons beyond the police station.  He had some high powered stuff and grenades.  Seems like a lot of weaponry for the middle of nowhere.  I hope Rick snagged a few of those.

I'm curious to know what others think about the hitchhiker, groups like Tyrese, etc.  If you were Rick, would you let them join up?  I get the rationale for not trusting new people or even the importance of protecting your dwindling rations, but there's also something to be said for leaving people for dead.  Or selfishly, what about absorbing other groups to swell your ranks?  Seems like a better move with the Governor's army on the horizon.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BillCable on March 4, 2013, 06:55 PM
I don't know... screaming at the top of your lungs is the mark of an idiot.  I can't imagine how dude survived 5 minutes much less a year.  So I can understand not picking up a random idiot.

However, I do agree that he should be building his army.  It was a mistake to toss out Tyrese and crew given their success in battle.  But it seems like trust issues trump common sense for Rick from time to time.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Force Guy on March 4, 2013, 08:01 PM
In a post-apocalyptic world, you just can't trust people.  You can't.  I think Rick made the right choice ignoring that hitchhiker. 
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on March 4, 2013, 10:18 PM
In a post-apocalyptic world, you just can't trust people.  You can't.  I think Rick made the right choice ignoring that hitchhiker.

Rick would be dead how many times now if it wasn't for strangers? Morgan saved him from the horrors of the new world. Glen saved him from the tank. The CDC guy let Rick and them inside (yes, he was gonna blow them up). Oscar shot Andrew instead of Rick.

Hershel saved Carl's life.

It's about circumstances. One lone guy on the road, they don't know anything about him, but the three of them...all of them are KILLERS. They know they are. After being around them 5 minutes, the backpacker's the one who'd have feared them.  And they could've merely dropped him off in town...for Morgan to shoot.  :P

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I don't know... screaming at the top of your lungs is the mark of an idiot.  I can't imagine how dude survived 5 minutes much less a year.  So I can understand not picking up a random idiot

Could be that he was desperate. Like, say Rick's group has been at how many times now?

Did none of those cars in the middle of the road run, though? That's what I wondered? Why didn't he hide in a ride, at least.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: name on March 4, 2013, 10:46 PM
I'm confused on geography by this episode.  They're close enough for an afternoon ride back to their hometown but far enough away that Rick...who was law enforcement...was unaware of the existence or location of the prison???   Makes zero sense. 
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: JediJman on March 4, 2013, 10:51 PM
In a post-apocalyptic world, you just can't trust people.  You can't.  I think Rick made the right choice ignoring that hitchhiker.

Rick would be dead how many times now if it wasn't for strangers? Morgan saved him from the horrors of the new world. Glen saved him from the tank. The CDC guy let Rick and them inside (yes, he was gonna blow them up). Oscar shot Andrew instead of Rick.

Hershel saved Carl's life.

It's about circumstances. One lone guy on the road, they don't know anything about him, but the three of them...all of them are KILLERS. They know they are. After being around them 5 minutes, the backpacker's the one who'd have feared them.  And they could've merely dropped him off in town...for Morgan to shoot.  :P

EXACTLY.  Somehow Rick is constantly relying on the generosity of others to survive, but he can't be bothered to trust others.  You'd think he would take them in, then put them through some kind of test.  Maybe leave them with an unloaded gun and the opportunity to screw the others over.  If they pass, you take them in - if they try to screw you over, you get rid of them. 
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: JediJman on March 4, 2013, 11:23 PM
I'm confused on geography by this episode.  They're close enough for an afternoon ride back to their hometown but far enough away that Rick...who was law enforcement...was unaware of the existence or location of the prison???   Makes zero sense.

That's a great point.  I was thinking about the distance as an issue too, but it isn't totaly implausible.  I live in Minneapolis and often drive to Madison, WI.  The drive is about 4.5 hours straight through.  Now I would bet that Minneapolis cops don't know a lot about Madison area prisons, and the fact that Rick was small town might indicate that he'd know even less. 

So, assume they found a state map in the prison or on the road indicating where they were and the fastest route to get back to Rick's hometown.  Let's say it's roughly 4.5 hours away.  They could hit the road around 6:00am and get to RickTown by 10:30.  That gives them a solid 3-4 hours to hang in bright daylight.  If they left at 2:30, they'd still get back to the prison by 7:00, so not all that unreasonable.  And this all assumes they're driving the speed limit.  If the interstate is clear, they could make even better time. 
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on March 5, 2013, 12:03 AM
I loved the episode really...  It was a very important one to the group's growth, and cohesion.  Here's some random thoughts I have though...

Totally loved the way they ignored the hitchhiker, only because that's the group in a nutshell at that point...  Carl looks over, but Michonne and Rick, f it...  Carl still has the innocence in him that believes people can be good and you should help, and that's his growing up in this world whereas the others are dealing with the world from the totally separate adult perspective.  Trust noone...

Talking Dead said this season's got a theme of "you can't survive alone", and this episode was very heavy on that theme.

That guy couldn't...  They signed his death sentence by ignoring him.  Dickish?  Yes, but that's the group right now...  Splintered, screwed up, and dead themselves, inside.

Then they get to town, and there's 2 separate growth moments for characters...  Carl's is just reinforced in this episode, but Rick and Michonne's is shown a lot.  Rick grows when he finds it's Morgan...  I totally agree that Rick's completely looking at Morgan as his future if he doesn't get his stuff together NOW, and he desperately needs to save him because he's saving himself if he does.  He, more than ever, I think will realize he needs to get it together.

Michonne's clearly growing just by talking...  I think she realized a little bit when Carl confronted her that, she too needs people...  And she shares with Rick at the end her talking to her bf, and acknowledging Rick's mental issues, and saying, "It's ok, I'm here and been there too, and we'll be ok".  He needed that...  and she needed and needs him, and the group.  I think Andrea's basic betrayal of her scarred her so much, she's really now seeing she fits in with the prison.

Doesn't answer any Merl questions obviously but it sets up a lotta heavy stuff.

I'm truly hoping Morgan doesn't get just offed or we never see him again...  I want to see him saved but that episode didn't give me a lot of hope.  It gives hope though, that Rick's pulling himself up by his bootstraps, that Michonne is going to work with the group more rather than on her own and being so bitchy, and Carl's just becoming a badass.

I think Rick's gonna bring a lot of Morgan's ideas back to the prison too and the Woodbury folk will have their hands full if they should pay it another visit.  He had a nice set-up in that town really.  His story was nothing short of tragic though.

The scene with him loading the bodies in that small doorway, onto the fire, as Rick & Co. drive away...  That was pretty awesome.

And keeping with the theme...  Yeah they abandoned that guy, but you need people to survive, and so they stop and took what he had because it still sorta plays into the concept.

I think Rick might be a little more into keeping some people he finds now...  It's easy to say, "F em, they may be dangerous", but clearly you NEED people...  You can't fight Woodbury on your own.  I think that was just a huge concept...  I think next time there's a hitchiker he may get a ride...  if he's alone, and they search him, and make sure he's normal.

TO me, the group's like a jaded person who doesn't want to date again because the last person they were with broke their heart...  Darryl choosing Merl, Andrea being part of Woodbury, Rick taking Merl/Darryl in and upsetting Glenn/Maggie...  There's a lot of anger flying about, but it's healing a bit, and I think they'll trust again...  Just ****** they didn't come to this before they scared off the other group that wandered into the prison and are at Woodbury now.   :-\

I don't think this was the BEST episode ever, but it was a powerful and deep episode with a ton of messages that are pivotal to the direction the show has taken I think...  and somehow the Morgan question was answered, yet left unaswered, all at the same time. :P

If I have a complaint it's largely that they didn't load up more guns, and the picture thing I'm ok with...  Michonne grew as a character from it, a lot, but she also really was as wreckless as Carl was with all that...  On Talking Dead they said Carl still thinks like that though, about the picture, and that's the major difference his character has that the adults generally don't.  He has sentimental thoughts.  He's NOT dead inside, and maybe the most well adjusted of everyone, and it's largely due to his age...  It's amazing how his character has gone from annoying, to awesome, in a season.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Force Guy on March 6, 2013, 12:48 AM
Let me just say that it was my favorite episode so far this season.  It was nice not to see Woodbury for once.  That storyline is getting old & I can't wait until the final showdown. 

With regards to the hitchhiker, perhaps if everyone in the vehicle was heavily armed they could've entertained the idea of picking up the hitchiker.  But they weren't, and what if the hitchhiker was?  That was the whole point of going on a run, to get supplies and more weapons, because they're weak, right?  If I'm down to my last bullet, the last thing I want to do is pick up a complete stranger.  Also, it's been how long since the zombie apocalypse?  At this point, if you see someone alive, it's safe to assume that they're pretty bad ass or at the very least, tough and/or great at surviving, which probably means they're well armed.  The last thing I'd want to do in a weakend state is pick up a complete stranger who could be a potential threat.  Fear the living...

I have to wonder how well the group would've fared if Shane was the leader and Rick was dead instead.         
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on March 6, 2013, 01:08 AM
I think they'd have fared a little better honestly...  Rick's become more like Shane out of necessity really.  Shane kept people safe, and killed those he felt were expendable.

Nuttiness over Lori/Rick/Carl aside, Shane was a pure asset IMO.

Totally see your point about assuming he's a badass, fear the living, etc.  My only point against that would be taht all 3 in the car basically are armed enough to deal with that one guy...  You wait down at the blocked road, make him drop everything, search him, tie him up, throw him in...  I mean if you wanted him, you would've had him basically, I think, since Carl, Michonne, and Rick are clearly all 3 very capable people at handling themselves.  Michonne handled 3 clearly heavily armed people in the woods.  Rick's a badass for a myriad of reasons.  Carl displayed his at this point.  I think I wouldn't have feared that guy with who I had in the car and what they had on them.

My fear would be taking him with us on the run, not getting him on the way back which was obviously not gonna happen.  :-X  Had he been alive on the way back though, I honestly think they'd have gotten him then.  I think things turned a corner after Morgan, to some degree, with Rick.

But I still saw your point...  They left him for a myriad of reasons, not the least of which is he's a totally unpredictable variable.

Wonder what got him?  There was no sign of whatever wound up getting him...  And how'd he get gotten so seemingly easily?  Wasn't like it was some overgrown area zombies could hide.  I dunno.  Weird.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on March 6, 2013, 12:36 PM
Wonder what got him?  There was no sign of whatever wound up getting him...  And how'd he get gotten so seemingly easily?  Wasn't like it was some overgrown area zombies could hide.  I dunno.  Weird.

Totally. There were vehicles he could've hid in (assuming they weren't locked). Maybe he spontaneously exploded?  Maybe Morgan was right, the dead are using dead men's faces for disguises. They can imitate the living now!  :o (Show turns into some super zombie Resident Evil bullcrap!)

I wouldn't say anyone still alive is tough or badass. Some people just beat the odds. There's folks in Woodbury who aren't tough at all, just got lucky that others found them or they were in a safe spot.

Some one on Talking Dead asked if it had been a child, would they have stopped. The panel was like "oh, yeah".  Hmmm....
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on March 6, 2013, 01:19 PM
After thinking about that, I agree...  I think might have the instinct that all the living are badass, but those Mexicans weren't.  They were pretty pathetic actually.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: JediJman on March 6, 2013, 03:35 PM
The guy had a big camping pack on - he could have just been a woodsman who was relatively isolated from most of the action.  I just assumed the Walkers got him.  The ones that sprang on Rick's car came somewhat out of nowhere, so they might have easily caught up with this guy too.  Maybe he just decided to give up after Rick and company passed him by.  Funny that zombies weren't still munching on him, but maybe something else drew them away.  They should make that guy's story into a webisode.

The hitchhiker was really a brilliant addition to the storyline.  Once again they put you in that "what would you do?" position.  On one hand, you don't know who you can trust in this world.  Most of us wouldn't stop for regular hitchhikers, so why would we stop for this guy with even more on the line?  What if he was crazy like Morgan or was part of an ambush?  Rick's also got his son in the car - he's going to be even less likely to trust others in that scenario.

On the flip side, you've got start valuing any kind of human life with so few people left.  What if this guy had a cure or knew something that could help the group?  Maybe he had a run in with Morgan and was the only survivor.  Rick has survived through the generosity of others time and time again - how do you not start repaying that trust to others?  I think most fans of the show view the Governor as evil and Rick's group as the good guys, but I'm not so sure of that when the governor is taking people in and Rick's leaving them in the dust.  Add in the fact that they need some manpower to build up their group.  I'd also argue that between Rick, Carl, and Michonne, that dude would not have lasted 5 seconds in the car if there was anything nutty about him.  Why not give him a chance.  Somewhat ironic that the 3 deadliest killers in the group were in that car.

You had better believe Daryl would have stopped for that poor guy.

Great storylines and discussion points as usual.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: CHEWIE on March 6, 2013, 03:58 PM
When I was watching it, I was hoping that Rick would at least talk to the guy.  I think a lot of him not giving the guy any chance was becuase Carl was with him and he doesn't want to risk putting his kid in more danger... the parent in me tells me that I wouldn't either.  But then again, Rick's allowing his kid to be involved with some dangerous stuff (but what in that world they live in isn't dangerous?).

Anyways, good episode but a bit of a letdown with Morgan (reading the book gave me the impression things might be differnt with Morgan - which I suppose, they still could leave that open seeing how this episode ended).

Also, I wasn't bothered at all that Carl wanted the picture.  I was a bit bothered that Michonne was able to sneak in and get it so easily though... I know the zombies were distracted, but that was kind of silly. I get it though - it was done to have Carl start trusting Michonne, which is going to be very important to the series.

I didn't like the preview to next week though.  Not one bit.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: JediJman on March 6, 2013, 04:36 PM
I didn't like the preview to next week though.  Not one bit.

 ???
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: CHEWIE on March 6, 2013, 08:47 PM
I didn't like the preview to next week though.  Not one bit.

 ???

Looked like Rick was standing at the Governor's desk, yelling at Andrea, saying something along the lines of "You told me was willing to talk!"

Why Rick would be at Woodbury at this point and willing to talk to that guy is beyond me.  Guess we'll see.  I hope this particular scenario doesn't play out like in the books.  Rick does end up there, but under very different circumstances, as he's there before the two groups go to war.  I hope what happens to Rick in the books while in Woodbury doesn't happen in the TV series.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Force Guy on March 7, 2013, 12:05 AM
Me too, Chewie.  We already have enough people at the prison with missing appendages.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Sybeck1 on March 7, 2013, 09:24 AM
The clip I saw was Rick and Darryl clearing out the area of a bunch of silos, with Herscel staying in the truck armed with a M-4. The meeting when it does take place between the governor and Rick seems to be taking palce on nuetral ground.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on March 7, 2013, 10:04 AM
I didn't like the preview to next week though.  Not one bit.

 ???

Looked like Rick was standing at the Governor's desk, yelling at Andrea, saying something along the lines of "You told me was willing to talk!"

Why Rick would be at Woodbury at this point and willing to talk to that guy is beyond me.  Guess we'll see.  I hope this particular scenario doesn't play out like in the books.  Rick does end up there, but under very different circumstances, as he's there before the two groups go to war.  I hope what happens to Rick in the books while in Woodbury doesn't happen in the TV series.

It won't. Just as they substituted Maggie for michonne, they substituted Merle for Rick. Very happy about that too.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: JediJman on March 7, 2013, 12:35 PM
How did they substitute Maggie for Michonne?   ???
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on March 7, 2013, 01:03 PM
How did they substitute Maggie for Michonne?   ???

Let's just say what almost happened to Maggie actually happens to michonne in the comic. Pretty brutal.

They do this kind of thing quite a bit actually. In the comic for instance, I believe it is dale who loses his leg, not hersel.

Keeps things fresh I guess...
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: JediJman on March 7, 2013, 01:51 PM
Oh, THAT.  I had forgotten about that.  Really glad they didn't go that route as well.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BrentS on March 9, 2013, 11:19 AM

So on to the previews for next week... Anyone think the "shooter" in the preview for next week is Morgan from Season 1?  He's got to come back sometime??
Good call. At first I thought it would be a little too convenient for them to run into him on a supply run - but it makes a lot more sense considering they went back to Rick's ground zero.

Busy week this week... I just now had time to watch this episode. I really liked it, glad I nailed the Morgan call.  :)

Still, I was disappointed that Rick didn't convince him to come back with him. Rick needs another confidant.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: CHEWIE on March 9, 2013, 06:03 PM
Rick needs another confidant.

Looks like Michonne is going to start filling that void... though I'm curious as to why they haven't had Tyrese start filling that role.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on March 10, 2013, 11:22 PM
I try not to use the term filler, but...mostly filler. Cliched hero and villain meet and talk moment. Andrea realizing that she is just a psycho's doormat...which has been obvious to everyone but her.

There's the new manufactured ethical crisis for Rick, that really isn't one. Rick must be joking at the end. He can't be that stupid. He can't say "and then he'd  kill us anyway", then use "but what if" as a rationalization.  I think he switched bodies with Andrea at some point.

Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on March 11, 2013, 05:01 AM
I thought it was a little better than filler...

Surprised he tipped his hand on knowing they came back with weapons, but who's sitting out watching the prison ya know?  He doesn't really have GREAT people like Darryl around that can go out and survive easily?  I found that odd...  Where would they be and how would they survive outside the prison just watching it?

Was shocked the Governor let slip what he did honestly, but I liked the exchange...  It was tense and I thought the episode built up for something to happen, even though basically nothing did.

I liked Darryl getting along with the Woodbury thug I can never recall his name...  Martinez I think?  Sharing something...  Soldiers of sorts, in a ****** world.  Seemed kinda obvious to me that Darryl came out the much more adept killer though.  Anyone can swing a bat...  well, not Milton, I'm sure he swings a bat like that chick at Woodbury shoots a bow, but still anyone can swing a bat and cause damage.  Takes skill for random kill shots and fast reloading a crossbow, not to mention throwing a knife.  Darryl makes it an art.  :D

The Herschel/Milton dynamic was great, and I think it really made him look at the Prison group with a new set of eyes...  I think it's changing how he looks at Andrea too.

The obvious Andrea story...  wah I'm a hoe, blah blah blah.

I liked the episode...  Kept thinking someone was in the rafters.  Half expected Carl to be there with a gun the whole time on the Governor since I didn't see him at the prison early on.  Wonder where he was?

I dig the "not many people are totally bad" dynamic.  I've enjoyed that about Merl, about Martinez, about some of the prisoners...  most of them even.  Makes you wonder where are, and whatever happened to, the Philly crew?  What all were they like?

Anyway, yeah, other than finding it odd that the prison's under surveilance and how are they accomplishing that really, I thought the episode was pretty great overall...  Wish we'd gotten a good Maggie ass shot like we did with Andrea.  It's all you can hope for with basic cable.  :-\
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on March 11, 2013, 10:07 AM
Damn, Jesse, you stay up late!

I thought it was a really good episode too, if for no other reason than the supporting character interactions. Totally agree this was an eye-opening experience for Milton, and especially Angela. SO GLAD Rick finally tipped her off to the Governor/Maggie incident. Yeah, that's the scumbag you're sleeping with. He makes your ex-boyfriend Shane look like a freaking choirboy. And speaking of Shane, ARE YOU KIDDING ME? She told the Governor about him and Lori?!?! What are you thinking girl? That is some inappropriate pillow-talk.

Martinez/Daryl Walker-Gauntlet and subsequent smoke break was pure awesomeness...definitely humanizing, and I totally agree this is a strength of the writing that even the seeming villains have depth and texture.

Except Phillip of course. Was I the only one rolling my eyes over his story about his poor dead wife? Oh no! She died in an accident? Did she slip on banana peel and hit her head? Fall asleep at the wheel and drive off the road? WAAAAH. You poor broken blubbering idiot. RICK'S WIFE WAS DEVOURED WHOLE BY ZOMBIES YOU JACKASS! Nice try.

What was the point of the gun taped to the table? Just in case? And I know it's silly to have expected Rick to just shoot him on the spot, but how is that more of a stretch for him to try and save his family than handing over Michonne? He's willing to buy into that fantasy but can't just murder the dude on the spot and be done with it?

I hope Hershel comes up with some good arguments to keep Rick from doing something stupid. I'm sick and tired of them alienating all the new people.

If Rick was smart he would have said, ok, I'll think about the Michonne thing, but when we meet, it will be at a time and place of my choosing. I'll let you know where to meet us. Why invite them to set up an ambush?

As noted later on Talking Dead, why are they letting Merle near the guns?!?!

Glad to see Glenn and Maggie worked everything out in the sex-garage though.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Diddly on March 11, 2013, 10:48 AM
I've really dug the last two episodes, which hopefully bodes well because they were supposedly produced by whoever is taking over as the new head showrunner.

Calling it now: that sex scene was Glenn knocking Maggie up. It went on way too long to not be leading to something, unless the producers were like "hey so teens watch this show, maybe their parents are checking it out with them, here's a sex scene to make things awkward!"

Anyone else catch Governor talk about Rick bringing back a massive amount of guns? Probably has his spies watching the prison...

And as noted too, awesome dialogue between Martinez/Daryl/Herschel/Milton. "Can I see your stump?"

And Beth shooting a gun? Hawt.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Sybeck1 on March 11, 2013, 12:40 PM
99% filler as this season goes along until the season finale in 3 weeks. It will be hard to match a villain like the Governor hard to believe they will simply just kill him.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on March 11, 2013, 12:55 PM
As noted later on Talking Dead, why are they letting Merle near the guns?!?!


Another preventable mini-crisis..., I maintain the episode was filler. The "soldiers" outside battling walkers because, well, we have to have zombie killings.

Sex scene. Meh. Yeah, meh. They neglected their duties to do it. Yay, them. The comic is full of sex, so much so I've never seen people enjoy the destruction of their own civilization so much.  ;)

Again, the whole talk between Rick and the Governor just made Rick look like a fool based on what he said at the end.  this isn't Batman meeting the Joker. It's more like Chief O'Hara meeting the Joker.

Walking Dead filler is still better than most shows on television, though.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: name on March 11, 2013, 07:32 PM
so much so I've never seen people enjoy the destruction of their own civilization so much.  ;)


Have you witnessed the destruction of a lot of civilizations?
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on March 11, 2013, 09:11 PM
Shoulda been at Rome at the end, it was a blast...  or so I hear.  Try the orgies!

On Merl & Guns, he was pretty hard assed going out to the gate an episode or two ago...  Clearly a tactical-minded guy and I believe they mentioned he's ex-military.  Assuming a little more time than a day or two has passed between the last few episodes, I am ok with Merl being around the guns...  What are you going to do?  Darryl's not gonna let him be kept in a cage.  Merl's not really going to be up for that either.  You're kind of hamstrung if you lock the guns themselves up because you need to be able to get armed up fast if attacked...  I dunno.

I guess it's just a bad situation and they're trying to integrate Merl into it as best they can.  There's a part of me I really wish they could get him into the group like Michonne to where he's tolerable and not fighting allt he time.  The ****** thing is, people like him are almost a necessity.  :-\
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: JediJman on March 12, 2013, 12:37 AM
I thought this week's episode was so-so.  Definitely some cool parts and they are moving the story along, but the whole conversation with the Governor was lame IMO.  Rick has to know Phillip is a psychopath liar, so why would a cop of all people trust that he'll leave them alone if they hand over Michonne? 

I really do not like the way they are writing Rick.  He seems to have no morale compass, unlike everyone else around him, and he really doesn't seem all that bright if he's falling for the Governor's BS now.  Its not easy leading the group, but Rick just seems to have failure after failure, which is getting old and makes it hard to cheer for him.

I liked the way everyone else outside the summit seemed to get along.  Just goes to show they could all work together if not for freaky Phillip. 

Definitely think Milton is coming around, especially after next week's preview shots.  Hopefully they wrap up the season with Tyreese and crew, Milton, and Andrea back on the run with the rest of the prison gang.  Doesn't feel like there's enough time left to do that though.

I'm surprised everyone here bought Phillip's story about his wife.  He wants to humanize himself a bit for Rick, but I seriously doubt that's all there is to his wife's death.  He probably sacrificed her to save himself at some point or maybe he killed her when she tried to kill Zombie-Penny.

Maggie/Glenn making up was a nice touch, though I thought for sure there were going to be consequences there like zombies getting through, someone from Woodbury spying, or even a lack of someone to open the gate for Rick and company.  That was a lost opportunity to punish our "heroes."
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Qui-Gon Jim on March 12, 2013, 12:28 PM
I don't think Rick believe the Guv...  But he is haunted by the ramifications of some of his decisions, so he's questioning himself.  What if he could secure his family's safety by giving up someone he's not very close to?  What if he is wrong about the governor not being sincere?

I read the novel Rise of the Governor, and I think it dovetails into the comic continuity, but there is nothing that would contradict anything on the TV version.  In this novel, the entire backstory of how Phillip became the man who would lead Woodbury is explored, including his wife.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on March 14, 2013, 12:56 PM
Walking Dead credits...90's style.  8)

http://youtu.be/78rjL__Nw_8 (http://youtu.be/78rjL__Nw_8)
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Sybeck1 on March 14, 2013, 05:25 PM
Walking Dead credits...90's style.  8)

http://youtu.be/78rjL__Nw_8 (http://youtu.be/78rjL__Nw_8)

Another Walker comes to mind....Walker Texas Ranger......
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on March 17, 2013, 11:15 PM
I bet Andrea wouldn't have bothered leaving Woodbury if she'd known Governor had a GPS locater planted on her. I mean, it's that or Philip is part bloodhound.  Sure he knew where she was headed, that much was obvious. More impressive was that he knew she'd go that old factory (which looked abandoned but was somehow filled with undead). He knew the spot where she'd approach the prison. He's just that magnificent.

On the other hand, it wouldn't be hard to figure out who took a truck in the night and left the town. He didn't even need to question Tyreese and friends/frenemies.

I was wondering why Andrea didn't double back and steal the governor's truck....assuming he left the keys in it. Sounds good on paper.

It's hard to take the walkers seriously anymore. Andrea killed a dozen in a day after running miles with a tiny knife. They barely slow the Governor down. All you need is a big windchime and a deep pit...

I think Woodbury ends being overrun by a horde lured there by a crazed Milton gone all reverse pied pipery.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Chris M on March 18, 2013, 06:58 AM
I was sorely disappointed in that episode last night.  There was tons of tension, but I felt it didn't lead anywhere.  I didn't think this episode did much to drive the plot, except to show the lack of total loyalty within Woodbury.  That was displayed by very subtle stuff.  All in all, this was by far my least favorite episode of this season, and probably one of the "worst" of the entire series.  I just can't stress enough how I felt last night was just a wasted, filler episode that could have possibly been combined with last week in an effort to move things along.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on March 18, 2013, 09:33 AM
All I know is I've never rooted harder for two TV characters to get together in a non-sexual way than Rick and Tyreese. You guys need each other in the worst possible way. PLEASE Walking Dead writers throw us a bone and let them become BFF's like in the comic!

I thought and thought last night about how they could have the town barricaded all the way around, and unless Woodbury is just one block, which I'm sure it is not, it is just not plausible that Andrea could not have found an easier way to slip out unnoticed.

I mean, Milton STEALS A FREAKING TRUCK! And takes the time to load it up with large, heavy gas tanks! And apparently has no problem driving out and getting back in complete secrecy. Huh?

(ps - Laurie confirmed it was him on Talking Dead, as this was pretty obvious)

And yeah, the Andrea-napping was pretty sad at the edge of the prison and all, but damn, they must have taken a page from the LOST writers How-To book: Chapter 3: EVERY CHARACTER IS AN EXPERT TRACKER.

I really was expecting for a nice reveal at the end there where Phillip takes off his trenchcoat and is covered in scratches and bites, but I guess that would sap too much suspense.

I'm liking what we are seeing out of Milton, but Martinez I guess is right back to being an ahole. After all that smoke break bonding with Daryll he's all like whatever, let's load up some biters.

I AM looking forward to seeing that annoying jackass that has the beef with Tyreese die. What a tool.

Melted walker pile was cool, as was Shovel-Face walker. Glad they keep giving us the gratuitous gore-kills because that is my favorite part of the show easily.

I LOVED the Preview scene from next week they showed on Talking Dead afterwards with Merle slapping Rick with a nice reality check on the idea of handing Michonne over. Gotta love the bayonet-handed racist as the voice of reason. Expecting more out of these last two episodes, although I am already preparing to be severely disappointed if they don't kill Phillip this season.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BillCable on March 18, 2013, 10:08 AM
That was just a bad, ridiculous episode.  Predictable.  Poorly written.  Tyreese replies to the Governor with "Come again?"  All of a sudden he's British?  The Governor used teleportation to get Andrea from the edge of the prison into his torture room silently, I guess.  Logic for just about everything was thrown out the window.  I guess the zombies all of a sudden think "I don't want the fresh meat behind the door... I'll take the fresh meat across the room!"
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: GrandMoffNick on March 18, 2013, 12:00 PM
Does anybody like any of the TV shows they watch?
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BillCable on March 18, 2013, 12:01 PM
I love this show whenever it doesn't suck.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: GrandMoffNick on March 18, 2013, 12:03 PM
I should just stay away from this thread. All I can do is laugh when the posts are all about how unrealistic each thing that happened was.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on March 18, 2013, 01:00 PM
Does anybody like any of the TV shows they watch?
 

No. Why would people watch something they like? Ridiculous.

Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on March 18, 2013, 01:13 PM
LOL, my grandpa used to always say "them they don't razz, ain't worth it."

This really is one of the best things on TV, and I think most of us who post here do love it, but for whatever reason it's difficult to resist nitpicking. The show is so drenched in realism (basic premise aside) that some of the least little things can be sort of distracting. But I think it's all done in the spirit of love. :)

People did the same thing with Lost when that was in its heyday. I think anything that has a strong cult-like appeal sort of invites a more critical reacton. And I don't mean critical as in "negative" just critical in the sense that people are more engaged and likely to notice things that seem odd or out of place or otherwise don't quite ring true.

If there was a thread for something as terrible as "The Following" for example, it would probably not elicit the same kind of reaction, despite being exponentially more implausible and aggravating for its non-sensical writing.

I think we're missing former show-runner Mazzarra a little bit at this point now too, as far as WD goes...
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BillCable on March 18, 2013, 02:23 PM
I gave up on The Following after about 4 episodes.  I was amazed it's doing as well as it is, to the point of it getting renewed.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: CHEWIE on March 18, 2013, 03:17 PM
I don't get all the complaining about last night's episode.  I guess the more people enjoy something, the more they have the right to nitpick though.

Anyways, I like how it's not following the book in some ways.  It keeps people like me guessing at what's going to happen next.  And last night was one of the better episodes in a while, in my opinion.  It showed how Andrea has finally come around, but getting back to her people isn't just the snap of a finger.  She's refused for too long to accept the Governor for what he really is.  And now her nightmare is about to begin.

The only real complaint that I have right now is I want Tyrese to figure things out (I assume he will - and that Milton will be the one to show him where Andrea is) -- and I'm afraid that the prison setting is going to merge into Season 4.  I'd prefer for it to end this season with them leaving the prison, but I don't see that happening with just two episodes left.  Who knows, I could be wrong.  But either way, this is by far the coolest thing on TV right now in my opinion.  Hoping for a great ending to this season.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Sybeck1 on March 18, 2013, 03:28 PM
We watch the Following, but really what else is on Mondays? The Bachelor?? Revolution is supposed to be coming back on, but what is that minus the hot chick?

Anyway, the whole time last night I was just wondering what was hapening back at the prison.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BillCable on March 18, 2013, 04:37 PM
We watch the Following, but really what else is on Mondays? The Bachelor??

I don't watch TV every day.  Mondays sometimes I'll catch up on what I've DVRed, and sometimes I'll play PS3.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on March 18, 2013, 05:42 PM
I think Continuum is decent and enjoy SyFy's Being Human for what it is (if all three characters get reset to their original conditions, I'm going to be annoyed...only one left that hasn't.) I don't watch any of the (old) Big Three's shows. Not sure why...maybe because they are cancel happy. I watched the mediocre THE CAPE and the better THE RIVER last year and both got the axe. 
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on March 18, 2013, 08:03 PM
I think Continuum is decent and enjoy SyFy's Being Human for what it is (if all three characters get reset to their original conditions, I'm going to be annoyed...only one left that hasn't.) I don't watch any of the (old) Big Three's shows. Not sure why...maybe because they are cancel happy. I watched the mediocre THE CAPE and the better THE RIVER last year and both got the axe.

LOL, ditto here. I watched both of those too, but I can't say I miss them.

I had to drop the Following after 4-5 episodes too because it literally just made me angry every time I watched it. The FBI just come off like a bunch of clueless jackasses and I got sick of watching the creepy-loser-of-the-week keep punking them like they were some kind of criminal mastermind. But I digress.

I almost hate to say this because it has become somewhat of a cliched plot device, but at some point soon, maybe next season, I kinda think it would be cool to do a WD flashback episode showing what each of the main characters experienced during the pivotal day(s) when everything fell apart. Laurie, Merle, Daryll, even Phillip and Milton could be interesting.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: evenflow on March 18, 2013, 10:58 PM

I almost hate to say this because it has become somewhat of a cliched plot device, but at some point soon, maybe next season, I kinda think it would be cool to do a WD flashback episode showing what each of the main characters experienced during the pivotal day(s) when everything fell apart. Laurie, Merle, Daryll, even Phillip and Milton could be interesting.

Big fan of this idea!
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BillCable on March 19, 2013, 07:51 AM
That's pretty much the idea that got Darabont fired. (http://www.craveonline.com/tv/articles/180707-being-human-star-slams-amc-over-aborted-walking-dead-web-series)
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on March 19, 2013, 09:35 AM
That's pretty much the idea that got Darabont fired. (http://www.craveonline.com/tv/articles/180707-being-human-star-slams-amc-over-aborted-walking-dead-web-series)

Sounds to me like he got fired because the AMC suits were a bunch of cheap aholes.

That's an interesting piece though, I forgot Starkiller was the walker in the tank. And I now understand why all those WD actors were in The Mist, because that was a Darabont thing too.

Still think it's a good idea.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: JediJman on March 20, 2013, 12:49 AM
I finally got around to watching this week's episode tonight.  Count me among those who really liked this one.  Were there a few potential plot pitfalls?  Sure. But I didn't think any of it was so far fetched that it bothered me.

Intro with Michone and Andrea was cool to see, and nice that they are willing to show flashbacks here and there.  I think that bodes well for someday seeing some of the characters' history.  I couldn't quite hear Michone though - anyone catch what she was saying?

Woodbury exits: I don't think "Woodbury" is a full town the way people are imagining it.  I think they maybe have 4-8 blocks cornered off and just like we saw in this episode, there are probably walls and cars set up with guards at each roadway.  They have what, 70 people?  8 blocks (4x2) would mean 8 entrances to cover, which is just 16 people (less if they can get away with just one person stationed or safely close a few of these off.  Do people need to see all 8 to enjoy the show more?  If the Governor goes to the outhouse, are people not satisfied without knowing if it was a piss or a ****?  Come on peeps, lighten up. 

I would also assume that most of the Governor's people are willing to let Milton out for the burn, since he's something of a #2 or #3 to the Governor.  Who's to say that he snuck out with a truck on his own?  If there was an order to keep everyone at Woodbury, I think Milton is one of the few who could talk someone into letting him through.

Lots of complaints about tracking skills.  By this point, both Andrea and Phillip should be pretty well versed on how to get to the prison.  Andrea avoided the first truck, but got caught in the open field.  That moment where she thinks she's okay then you see the truck coming at her is classic old school horror.  I find that sense of dread way more scary than the blood splatters and gore.  The governor knows the stops along the way.  He's directed to the warehouse by the sound, so no supernatural tracking skills there.  I loved the matchup in the warehouse with Andrea getting the upper hand, though I don't like it when they seem to show someone overwhelmed and then they get away.  The Walkers should have just chased Phillip out to the truck, which would have explained why Andrea continued on foot.

As for the prison, there appears to be only a couple of safe, known ways in.  If Phillip has the truck and Andrea is moving through the woods, he could easily pass her and get to the footpath where she's likely to come in.  She's not coming by the roadway (or he would have run into her) and his hiding spot off the road, but near the front could have been intended to shoot Andrea if he couldn't reach her. 

The only far fetched moments for me were that Andrea didn't take the ******* truck, which I believe Phillip left running, and that she couldn't make some kind of noise to draw attention between where she was pinned near the prison and getting to the truck.  Maybe Phillip knocked her out, but then how does he drag or carry her away without being seen from where he is?  I think he could have moved her from the truck to the torture chamber in the middle of the night or maybe even used a few trusted guys. 

I'm probably in the minority on this as well, but I was also not a fan of the burnt zombies.  I've never burned a person or animal, but wouldn't their flesh continue to burn to the bone and kill them?  Seems odd that it just burnt out and they were still moving.  Not nearly enough to ruin the moment for me though.

As for plot advancement, we now have Tyreese questioning the Governor, the torture chamber assembled and occupied, and Andrea & Milton finally showing their true colors.  We even got a little backstory on Tyreese's crazy "buddy" and his son.  All with lots of Walker fighting and suspense - I thought this was a great episode with lots to like.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: CHEWIE on March 20, 2013, 03:01 PM
I agree, very good episode and I enjoyed reading your take on it...

As for the burnt zombies, burns like that would kill a person but a zombie needs the brain to be destroyed... I'm assuming that the fire wouldn't penetrate the skulls on all of them.

Seeing them in the pit like that all melted together but still "alive" was definitely one of the nastiest things of the series for me.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: jedipurge on March 20, 2013, 06:24 PM
ya total gruesome, but wouldn't there eyes have been burned/melted out.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on March 20, 2013, 07:13 PM
Since it was just gas in a dirt pile the fire would burn itself out eventually once all the fuel for it was pretty much gone so I suppose it's possible it just kinda petered out...  Just my guess.

Great episode...  liked Andrea's F U look through the door.

I also like watching zombies in funny situations like all stuck in the stairwell.  It's like stinkbugs.  I laugh when they fly into the wall and knock themselves unconscious for some reason too.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: JediJman on March 20, 2013, 07:38 PM
As for the burnt zombies, burns like that would kill a person but a zombie needs the brain to be destroyed... I'm assuming that the fire wouldn't penetrate the skulls on all of them.

I hadn't thought of that.  Ish.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Diddly on March 22, 2013, 11:41 AM
Finally watched the new episode. LOVED it, along with the past few episodes, which bodes well because I think the new Showrunner directed them or did most of the work on them. Not much else to really cover though.

I thought the fire thing was weird though because most zombie fiction uses fire as a primary weapon to stop them. Good point about the brains but wouldn't all of the other muscles deteriorate to the point that they can't move? Forgive my lack of knowledge though, like Jman the only things I've burned are paper and leaves

Why did Woodbury Archer Girl have to die now? Tyrese needs some shooting lessons.

I also had the next episode spoiled for me.  :(
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BillCable on March 22, 2013, 12:13 PM
I find it's never a good idea to try to make scientific sense out of Zombies...

7 Scientific Reasons a Zombie Outbreak Would Fail (Quickly) (http://www.cracked.com/article_18683_7-scientific-reasons-zombie-outbreak-would-fail-quickly.html)  (hilarious, BTW)

I mean, brain tissue decays faster than just about anything else.  In reality, they'd have hollow skulls full of soup within a weak.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: CHEWIE on March 22, 2013, 12:17 PM
I find it's never a good idea to try to make scientific sense out of Zombies...

7 Scientific Reasons a Zombie Outbreak Would Fail (Quickly) (http://www.cracked.com/article_18683_7-scientific-reasons-zombie-outbreak-would-fail-quickly.html)  (hilarious, BTW)

I mean, brain tissue decays faster than just about anything else.  In reality, they'd have hollow skulls full of soup within a weak.

The virus preserves the brain tissue!!!   :P
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BillCable on March 22, 2013, 01:05 PM
Ah yes... one of those preservative viruses!  My fault.   8)
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Morgbug on March 22, 2013, 03:37 PM
I find it's never a good idea to try to make scientific sense out of Zombies...

7 Scientific Reasons a Zombie Outbreak Would Fail (Quickly) (http://www.cracked.com/article_18683_7-scientific-reasons-zombie-outbreak-would-fail-quickly.html)  (hilarious, BTW)

I mean, brain tissue decays faster than just about anything else.  In reality, they'd have hollow skulls full of soup within a weak.

The virus preserves the brain tissue!!!   :P

Agree with Bill Cable's original statement.  That said the brains and the eyes both would be gone - they contain and awful lot of water so they would have both boiled.  They could have had an awful lot of gruesome fun having heads explode and eyes pop due to the heat, but missed opportunities happen...
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: name on March 23, 2013, 03:22 PM

I'm probably in the minority on this as well, but I was also not a fan of the burnt zombies.  I've never burned a person or animal, but wouldn't their flesh continue to burn to the bone and kill them?  Seems odd that it just burnt out and they were still moving.  Not nearly enough to ruin the moment for me though.

I once had a possum carcass to dispose of from the side of the road near my house.  Dog kept getting into it, and I decided it would be easier to burn it in a fire I already had going than to dig a hole.  HUGE mistake.  Took hours.  And hours.  Flesh doesn't burn so fast as you might imagine...just crisps up on the outside.  Had to keep breaking away the crust.

That said, I agree with Brent...the brain and eyes would have cooked away to nothing in no time.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Sybeck1 on March 23, 2013, 11:05 PM
Bones and ashes would not have had the same shock value.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on March 24, 2013, 01:50 PM
Eyeless moaning corpses would've been creepy.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on March 24, 2013, 05:03 PM
I'm hoping we spend tonight's episode just in the prison, and are not forced to endure a one hour gore-soaked torture session like something out of Saw or Hostel. I'm really not up for that, as much as I find Andrea's character tiresome.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on March 24, 2013, 11:18 PM
Can't believe they did that to Andrea. The governor bites her fingers off, kills her and leaves her to become a walker for Rick's group to discover.

Oh, wrong characters. I get those confused.

My only nitpick is that this show takes place in a universe where people have strong teeth and jaws. This explains Merle's comment about chewing through rope, the Governor's hungry hungry hippos maneuvor and that biter than got T-Dog.

Seriously, could someone bite off a finger, let along two?  ??? GOOGLE! Help me!
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Sybeck1 on March 24, 2013, 11:24 PM
Lol anyway did you see next week's preview? Tyresse and his sis are not in that posse
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on March 24, 2013, 11:29 PM
Yeah, suspicious. I think they've rigged the prison into a trap, actually.  I was thinking before the preview aired...the Governer is expecting them to be in the prison. So that's the last place they should be.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on March 25, 2013, 08:32 AM
Perfection!

Zero complaints about last night, completely excellent from start to finish. All I can say is I'm more disappointed to have lost Merle than any other character so far. He was by far one of the most interesting characters remaining IMO. That last scene with Daryl was freaking epic. The whole episode really highlighted all the strengths of this show, the acting, the writing, and most especially the interaction between the characters. (Glenn/Maggie, Glenn/Hershel, Merle/Rick, Merle/Daryl, Merle/Michonne, etc)

Think Rick has a little bridge-building to do with Michonne now, kinda going to be a little awkward at first, but from her conversation with Merle she seemed to understand he would not have gone through with it either. So hopefully they will be good going forward.

So who was that kid Ben that took the bullet for Phillip? Was he the son of the whiny doosh that was beefing with Tyreese? Or was he the sickly kid with Asthma that Andrea was trying to exempt from the Woodbury militia? I don't have a good recall for the more minor characters...

Loved Merle rocking out to Motorhead, that was a nice touch.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: name on March 25, 2013, 10:27 AM
last night was outstanding.  I didn't know Michonne could put so many words together.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: GrandMoffNick on March 25, 2013, 10:54 AM
Brilliant episode.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: CHEWIE on March 25, 2013, 11:43 AM
I loved last night's episode too - especially the scene when Merle was trying to hotwire the car - and of course the walkers were attracted to the alarm.  Loved how that all played out.  Excellent scene.

Sad to see Merle die, but it was a great way to make the audience really appreciate the character and finally show deep down he wasn't quite the assface he had been portrayed as always.  Showed he was always a rough dude and a dick, but the situation since the "end of the world" brought out an even worse version of him... but when given a chance to redeem himself some and help others, he made a selfless decision.

Good for Merle, sad for Darryl... and next week's episode looks killer.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BillCable on March 25, 2013, 12:16 PM
My only nitpick is that this show takes place in a universe where people have strong teeth and jaws. This explains Merle's comment about chewing through rope, the Governor's hungry hungry hippos maneuvor and that biter than got T-Dog.

Super-strong jaws and super-weak skulls.  Normally you can't stab through the front of somebody's skull with a knife.  And if you stomp on a skull it doesn't split open like a watermelon.   And a shovel won't cut through one like butter.  Makes me wonder if the virus somehow reduces the bone density of the skull (while simultaneously increasing the bone density of fingers...).

It was an awesome episode.  Glenn is such a romantic.  "Every kiss begins with Kay a pair of garden shears."
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: jedipurge on March 25, 2013, 12:23 PM
loved it loved it loved it
especially head decap by wire and head stomp  >:D

my only complaint is that in the beginning of the episode the Merle compilation in the beginning gave it away that he was going to die, call it a tremor in the Force but i knew last nights episode would be his last once i saw that and kinda killed it for me.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Sybeck1 on March 25, 2013, 12:36 PM
It was an awesome episode.  Glenn is such a romantic.  "Every kiss begins with Kay a pair of garden shears."

LOL, I think that puts at least one or both Glenn and Maggie high on the next to die list. Can't have happily wedded bliss in the end times.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on March 25, 2013, 12:45 PM
Super-strong jaws and super-weak skulls.  Normally you can't stab through the front of somebody's skull with a knife.  And if you stomp on a skull it doesn't split open like a watermelon.   And a shovel won't cut through one like butter.  Makes me wonder if the virus somehow reduces the bone density of the skull (while simultaneously increasing the bone density of fingers...).

I can't crush someone head closing a hatchback?  :(

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It was an awesome episode.  Glenn is such a romantic.  "Every kiss begins with Kay a pair of garden shears."

Zombie woman was none to happy about that.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BillCable on March 25, 2013, 01:31 PM
I can't crush someone head closing a hatchback?  :(

Depends whether or not you're the Hulk.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: name on March 25, 2013, 09:39 PM
http://news.discovery.com/human/evolution/human-bite.htm
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Diddly on March 25, 2013, 11:58 PM
my only complaint is that in the beginning of the episode the Merle compilation in the beginning gave it away that he was going to die

Other things that guarantee your death include increased dialogue and talking to Carol :D
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on March 26, 2013, 02:20 AM
I think a lot of what occurs in the show should be posed to the gang at Mythbusters. :P

Good episode...  Really enjoyed all the episode's details...  All Merle, and all awesome. 

Preview for next week...  the music and the tone of the assault was interesting.  Looks like The Governor is indeed walking into something at the Prison, which is kind of expected for us I think. 

Even Lori's ghost pisses me off.  **** Lori.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: name on March 27, 2013, 03:49 PM
**** Lori.

That's what Shane said.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on March 27, 2013, 07:56 PM
And did...  She's a ho... For sho.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on March 27, 2013, 08:25 PM
Lori and T-Dog's deaths were fakes and they are hiding in the prison, because they hooked up and didn't want anyone to know about it.  Lori loaded Carl's gun with blanks.

No one died this season, not even Merle. We flashback and see that Daryl killed some other zombie with a prosthetic arm that he imagined was Merle.

There were no living prisoners, either. They found 5 corpses in the cafeteria and Beth wrote stories about them interacting with Rick's group (turns out she's been chronicling events and what we've seen is her fictionalized account of the survivors' struggles).

Then Bobby Ewing steps out of the shower and discovers that JR is a zombie and Superman 3 and 4 never happened.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: name on March 27, 2013, 09:40 PM
and Superman 3 and 4 never happened.

I like that part best.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Qui-Gon Jim on March 28, 2013, 12:18 PM
and Superman 3 and 4 never happened.

I like that part best.
Say what?!?
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Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt_Fury on March 28, 2013, 04:19 PM
Lori and T-Dog's deaths were fakes and they are hiding in the prison, because they hooked up and didn't want anyone to know about it.  Lori loaded Carl's gun with blanks.

No one died this season, not even Merle. We flashback and see that Daryl killed some other zombie with a prosthetic arm that he imagined was Merle.

There were no living prisoners, either. They found 5 corpses in the cafeteria and Beth wrote stories about them interacting with Rick's group (turns out she's been chronicling events and what we've seen is her fictionalized account of the survivors' struggles).

Then Bobby Ewing steps out of the shower and discovers that JR is a zombie and Superman 3 and 4 never happened.

Best. Post. Ever.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Phrubruh on March 28, 2013, 05:35 PM
Makes me wish we had a +1 "like" count.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: John C on March 28, 2013, 11:07 PM
It was an awesome episode.  Glenn is such a romantic.  "Every kiss begins with Kay a pair of garden shears."

LOL, I think that puts at least one or both Glenn and Maggie high on the next to die list. Can't have happily wedded bliss in the end times.
Most likely her dad and sister die, putting the wedding off
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on March 29, 2013, 10:50 AM
http://social.entertainment.msn.com/movies/blogs/blog--27-people-will-die-in-walking-dead-season-finale

27 deaths in this week's season finale?   :o

Give me Rick, Daryl, and Glenn, and anyone else can go. Although I'd like to see them keep Maggie just so we don't have to endure more Glenn-struggles-to-adjust stuff.

God, when Phillip gets it I am totally doing my best Tom Cruise couch-dance...
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: P-Siddy on March 29, 2013, 02:32 PM
Wow!  That's one dead about every 2 minutes in a regular episode.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: CloneF13Y35 on March 30, 2013, 05:45 PM
No inside info here just my own speculation but I can see beth and hershal dying to protect the baby in the cell block; Rick and Carl survive of course; maybe maggie and/or glen either get killed outright or turned forcing the other one to put them down. I see the Gov surviving but with injuries but not before he shots Milton like he did Merle so he'll turn. This causes Andrea to put zombie-Milton down but wonders if he really did have any 'memory recall' as he tried to determine. Martinez and Shump are sure to get killed and probably Allen too but not before he shoots Sasha causing her to turn.This time, big brother Tyreese will shot her, proving he could hit his target when it mattered. Tyreese then shoots Allen so he'll turn. Plus about a dozen Woodbury locals and as many zombies as Michonne can decapitate with her sword.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on March 30, 2013, 07:59 PM
All the good guys will be captured. I think Michonne will be surrounded by the governor's men and rather than surrender, decapitate herself with her sword in a manner that can only be called "glorious gorey".

Judith will speak her first words "Let my people go!" and Woodburians will be awestruck. The governor will declare it as some sort of trick, but the people's faith will let them see the truth and they'll stone the governor to death.

Milton gives up science to start the Church of the Judith Grimes of Latter Day Saints.

Or none of that, really.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: CloneF13Y35 on March 31, 2013, 10:10 AM
All the good guys will be captured. I think Michonne will be surrounded by the governor's men and rather than surrender, decapitate herself with her sword in a manner that can only be called "glorious gorey".

Judith will speak her first words "Let my people go!" and Woodburians will be awestruck. The governor will declare it as some sort of trick, but the people's faith will let them see the truth and they'll stone the governor to death.

Milton gives up science to start the Church of the Judith Grimes of Latter Day Saints.

Or none of that, really.

LOL that's pretty damn funny!
Guess we'll find out in 12 hours from now.
Happy zombie rabbit day!
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: evenflow on March 31, 2013, 10:05 PM
Wow! That was not that good.  ::) Feel good episode for  season finale? Last week was much better.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Diddly on March 31, 2013, 10:35 PM
I thought it was awesome. I was cringing the whole time though.

Besides, you knew they weren't going to wrap everything up. The producers said last year that the prison was going to be used in at least half of Season 4.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: CloneF13Y35 on March 31, 2013, 11:17 PM
it's like comparing the finale of season 1 to season 2 - two very different stories being told and I felt the same with this one; though I thought someone besides Andrea from the 'good guys' would die or at least get injured. Loved how Gov beat milton and stabbed him then said: "You're not leaving this room till you kill her - one way or the other. You either Kill or die OR Die and then Kill". But I totally didn't see Andrea dying until they showed up at the end and saw her feet. Michonne staying with her showed how much she really did care for Andrea. The Gov turning on his own people was just right for his psychopathic turn.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on March 31, 2013, 11:28 PM
SPOILERS (obviously)

It was okay. They played it a tad safe. The governor's villain luck holds out, folks panic instead of shooting back, I can accept that since they were shocked by his actions and not fighters. But it's a good thing his closest men are loyal even when there's no reason to be. Seriously, neither guy had any feelings for any of those people? They think a snapped Philip isn't gonna take his anger out on one of them at some point?

I's necessary to have there, but survivor woman can't drive either vehicle? It's not gubna' took the keys or shot out the tires. I suppose she had to deal with a lot of walkers around and got in the wrong vehicle. I answered my own question.  (Why didn't she pick up a gun?)

Andrea...taking on walkers with a knife...can't handle one sans knife?  She was too intent on getting her other hand free, that's where I think she blundered.

Why stay in the prison? Why no Woodbury...they were asking that on Talking Dead...no one had a good answer. I'd imagine there's tons more supplies in Woodbury, and far more comforts.

There was a crank caller on Talking Dead quoting some religious stuff. Someone at IMDB suggest that this was a planned "phone bomb", a clue to next season's antagonist. There was a deleted scene from season 2 where Dale hears a religious weirdo broadcasting on the radio.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Greg on April 1, 2013, 07:20 AM
DOUBLE SPOILERS!!!!



SPOILERS (obviously)

It was okay. They played it a tad safe. The governor's villain luck holds out, folks panic instead of shooting back, I can accept that since they were shocked by his actions and not fighters. But it's a good thing his closest men are loyal even when there's no reason to be. Seriously, neither guy had any feelings for any of those people? They think a snapped Philip isn't gonna take his anger out on one of them at some point?

Andrea...taking on walkers with a knife...can't handle one sans knife?  She was too intent on getting her other hand free, that's where I think she blundered.

Why stay in the prison? Why no Woodbury...they were asking that on Talking Dead...no one had a good answer. I'd imagine there's tons more supplies in Woodbury, and far more comforts.

The Governor's two surviving henchmen going with him was such a hilarious moment to watch, but as you said it didn't make sense. They obviously DIDN'T want to get in the car, but did anyway, even though the Gov was out of bullets. As for Andrea, I'm guessing her inability to kill Zombie Milton was due with her physical state... we don't know how long she was tied up in the torture chamber but it must have been a couple of days.  Lastly, Woodbury vs. the prison... I guess the prison might be more secure? Or at least they might need fewer people to defend it/guard the fences?

Overall I thought the finale was good. I liked Andrea's character, mostly due to how imperfect she was, so I was sad to see her go. It was a terrible way to go out, fighting a zombified version of a friend and then shooting herself in front of her friends. Interesting that she ultimately committed suicide. The prison fight was anticlimactic, but the Governor mowing down his own troops was quite unexpected. Having the Gov just drive off didn't seem to fit the overall tone of the finale, but I'm glad he is still alive. I'm guessing he will run into Randall's group from Season 2 and end up with a dangerous fighting force.

Lastly, there were too many suspenseful moments in the episode where I expected stuff to go down, but it didn't. In particular when the prison group was just standing around in the courtyard after ousting the Woodbury Army, I fully expected a straggler to shoot one of the good guys. When Glenn first took off his helmet I was on the edge of my seat, I was ready. Then with Milton's turn, they did a great job drawing that out. I was also expecting Tyrese to burst through the door to save Andrea, but obviously we know how that went...

Bring on Season 4.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BillCable on April 1, 2013, 10:15 AM
I was surprised that the Governor's henchmen stuck with him despite him deciding to gun down half his settlement.  I supposed it must have seemed the best of a set of very bad options.  The devil you know and all that.  I just want to know where they went.  Not to Woodbury.  Not to the prison.  Are they now just on the road?  What sense does that make?

The Governor's invasion tactics are just about as awful as you could come up with.  Come in guns blazing.  Damage peripheral structures.  Then take everybody into the prison?  Walk around blindly?  When they found the place abandoned, they didn't suspect a trap?  Then once engaged, they retreat?  Dude's just one piss-poor field general.  Which makes it even more surprising that the couple actual military guys continue to follow him.

I agree on the tension.  I too expected Glenn to get popped when he pulled off his helmet.  DON'T THESE PEOPLE WATCH THE SHOW??!!
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on April 1, 2013, 11:29 AM
Ugh, what a letdown. How do you let literally the THREE WORST PEOPLE in Woodbury get away scot free? You couldn't at least have killed that big black dude? Where is the justice?

Seriously, that was a really non-satisfying season finale. The have completely gone off the rails as far as the comic goes. Rogue governor on the run? Still in the prison? What? Why?

Just kill that SOB already. I can't sit through another season of his repugnancy. I'm glad you guys like the actor and all but everyone liked Andrea and Dale too and it didn't stop you from killing them.

Agree that was like the worst strategic plan EVER going into the prison. I was shocked Rick and co were even still there. And did they hit ANYBODY?

I'm glad Allen got capped and I'm glad that woman lived, but yeah, why go back to the prison? And what about the rest of the Woodbury peeps? All they took was the elderly and infirm?

I probably would have felt a lot worse losing Andrea in Season 1 or early Season 2. But all her terrible decisions make it hard to care as much at this point. I almost felt worse about poor Milton. Maybe she should have felt a little more sense of urgency than to stop and have a chit chat with him every five minutes. Not sure how a pair of pliers gets you out of handcuffs either, but I'm not even going there.   

Carl, right or not, is back to being a snotty little punk. Rick should have slapped him right in his sassy face for all that backtalk. But yeah, he kind of had a point. I think it would have been a much more convincing argument if he had explained that when they told that stupid kid to drop his gun he said "Take it." Dumbass. What part of "Drop your gun" do you not understand? Drop it already! Don't offer to hand it to them! That just makes it look like you're trying to be shady. I'd have shot him too, just for being too moronic to follow simple directions.

You gotta kill those last 3 guys early next season. It will be hard to truly enjoy the show again until they tie up that loose thread.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Diddly on April 1, 2013, 11:43 AM
RE Woodbury vs the Prison, I'm sure the Governor knows the layout to Woodbury 100%, and thus could silently invade at any time. I mean, Rick got in there blindly and wrecked shop.

Those Woodbury castoffs are nothing but bullet/zombie bait for next season.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Greg on April 1, 2013, 11:58 AM
So I'm thinking about the season as a whole, and I feel that everything was a bit jumbled up in terms of tone and such. Last night's finale would have been great as a mid-season finale, while episodes like Killer Within, Made to Suffer, and to an extent This Sorrowful Life might have made for great season finales.



SPOILERS below for people who haven't read the comic....



I also think the pacing was too fast overall, especially in the first half of the season. It was like they tried overcompensating because of the Season 2 complaints. I have been re-reading the comics, which devoted a good amount of time to the prisoners and didn't introduce Woodbury right when the group found the prison. The prisoners causing trouble, along with the group setting up life at the prison, would have made for a great first half of the season. Introducing Woodbury could have been saved for the back half, with the build-up and eventual war taking place in Season 4. I think the build-up on the show over the last 8 or 9 episodes, along with knowing about the huge battles that took place in the comic, led to feeling that the prison attack in the finale was ultimately anti-climactic.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on April 1, 2013, 12:19 PM
I'm glad Allen got capped and I'm glad that woman lived, but yeah, why go back to the prison? And what about the rest of the Woodbury peeps? All they took was the elderly and infirm?

Them and the kids and that woman survivor from the massacre were it....plus Tyrese and his sister.  The rest of the able bodied adults are all dead 20 something by the guv, 8 by Merle (9 if you include Carta...carta...what's his name earlier in the season), the other two via Michonne, more when they rescued Glen and Maggie, one in the guard tower during the governor's first strike, one by a loose walker. Quite a bit.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on April 1, 2013, 12:53 PM
So I'm thinking about the season as a whole, and I feel that everything was a bit jumbled up in terms of tone and such. Last night's finale would have been great as a mid-season finale, while episodes like Killer Within, Made to Suffer, and to an extent This Sorrowful Life might have made for great season finales.



SPOILERS below for people who haven't read the comic....



I also think the pacing was too fast overall, especially in the first half of the season. It was like they tried overcompensating because of the Season 2 complaints. I have been re-reading the comics, which devoted a good amount of time to the prisoners and didn't introduce Woodbury right when the group found the prison. The prisoners causing trouble, along with the group setting up life at the prison, would have made for a great first half of the season. Introducing Woodbury could have been saved for the back half, with the build-up and eventual war taking place in Season 4. I think the build-up on the show over the last 8 or 9 episodes, along with knowing about the huge battles that took place in the comic, led to feeling that the prison attack in the finale was ultimately anti-climactic.

Good post, I can't disagree.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on April 1, 2013, 09:45 PM
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I think it would have been a much more convincing argument if he had explained that when they told that stupid kid to drop his gun he said "Take it." Dumbass. What part of "Drop your gun" do you not understand? Drop it already! Don't offer to hand it to them! That just makes it look like you're trying to be shady. I'd have shot him too, just for being too moronic to follow simple directions.

This was exactly the point I was trying to make to a friend on the Carl situation...  I thought he actually was gonna try to overtake Carl by handing him the gun and that was just my gut reaction to the situation...  He was being shady, and I think there was ambiguity there because they wanted you as the viewer to see it from both sides...

You're having a gun pointed at you, you're told to drop your weapon, but you instead try handing it to him like you're trying to feed a Tiger a piece of chicken...  You're a dip**** and deserved to die for no other reason than you don't follow simple direction.

That said...  Herschel's missing a leg, not a hand, and was armed...  How did he not take charge there?  Dude's a badass shot, clearly, and was there too...  He lets Carl run that ****?  Again, I didn't care for that.

Wonder if the prison crew took what Governor & Co. left out there?  That military truck, all the weapons...  Governor didn't pick all that up, they just left.  Lotta hardware to be had.  Plus that .50 on the disabled Humvee which I'm not so sure driving them over spikes disables them that easily...  Some of our military vets on here might be able to elaborate but I thought their tires didn't deflate so easily.  Maybe I'm wrong though.

I thought the Governor's plan was pretty typical of him...  We'll just roll in and f everyone up with sheer force.  The grenade launchers, .50 cal, etc.  I thought it was pretty much what I'd figured he was gonna do anyway, but yeah they got f'd ultimately because they were largely inexperienced...  I was happy with all that stuff actually, and how it played out.  The Catacombs under the prison are spooky for Rick's group so they're downright terrifying to the Woodbury folks I'm sure.

A little anticlimactic maybe, but I enjoyed it for the most part.  Great season, looking forward to Fall already.  :-\
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: CloneF13Y35 on April 1, 2013, 10:53 PM
Spoiler from the comics
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I remember the Gov and group had found a tack and barely got it working, couldn't shoot at all they all they could do was drive it forward and backward but it was intimidating to no end!
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Sybeck1 on April 1, 2013, 11:28 PM
Too many people now, I look for a major herd thinning early next season. I personally would be tracking the governor because you know he is coming back.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Morgbug on April 2, 2013, 11:17 PM
  Plus that .50 on the disabled Humvee which I'm not so sure driving them over spikes disables them that easily...  Some of our military vets on here might be able to elaborate but I thought their tires didn't deflate so easily.  Maybe I'm wrong though.


Even if the tires are all shot, roll it on up (tow it, push it, drive it, whatever) up inside the inner fence and fortify the thing so it's easily accessible for defense.  Like you said, the Woodbury folks had a lot of stuff stockpiled and when they acquired that, I'm sure they gathered all the ammo for that .50 they could.  Next time a van carrying zombies get's driven through the gate open up the .50 on it. 
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on April 3, 2013, 02:15 AM
Damn skippy man!  That thing can chew through cinderblock...  That's not a toy you leave in the field. :P

In the zombie apocalypse, always take a .50 you find lying about.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: CloneF13Y35 on April 3, 2013, 09:53 AM
I think they should take a cue from how Morgan setup those zombie traps in "Clear", place a few of those out in the prison yard to trap some of them for easier pickins. at least they tried to setup barricades on the fenced in crosswalks that Glen and Maggie attached from using left over pallets and the metal table tops from the cafeteria. They need to do some more fortifications and search the prison and since Tyreese is with them now, he can show them the other side where the wall collapsed.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on April 3, 2013, 12:59 PM
My predicitions for next season. Andrea didn't kill herself, Michonne faked it (hence the incorrect shell dropping sound from a revolver)...and she is keeping zombie Andrea hidden somewhere so when Michonne gets her hands on the Governor, she'll toss him to zombie Andrea.

Lori will return as Ghost of Apocalypse Future and give Rick vision of a cruel adult Carl who calls himself "The Warden".

The Governor, Shump and Martinez will discover the last functioning Burger King but leave disgusted when they learn it's using horse meat in the burgers.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Sybeck1 on April 3, 2013, 04:34 PM
With Andrea demise the show's T&A percentage has dropped dramatically. Lori is kinda cute, and well Beth is being played by an adult so maybe it is possible we see more. But still I don't see those two stepping up to do the soft moonlight buttocks scenes. Producers if you are listening we need more T&A next season!
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: CloneF13Y35 on April 3, 2013, 11:22 PM
and lauren cohan who plays maggie, while definitely a hottie, is a little light up top; not that there's anything wrong with that, just saying compared to laurie holden, she def had a little more boom boom going on.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Sybeck1 on April 3, 2013, 11:39 PM
I meant maggie and not lori.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on April 3, 2013, 11:47 PM
Ghost boobies.

There's always Carol...  Underrated I think, and too heavily clothed most of the time.  There's a rockin' body hiding under all them clothes.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BrentS on April 4, 2013, 08:38 AM
Three cast members promoted to "Regulars" (http://tv.yahoo.com/news/walking-dead-promotes-3-cast-members-regulars-004041688.html)
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on April 4, 2013, 12:21 PM
Three cast members promoted to "Regulars" (http://tv.yahoo.com/news/walking-dead-promotes-3-cast-members-regulars-004041688.html)

Who is "Sasha"? That lady with Tyreese? Is she his sister or love interest? I never really got that.

This is the part I liked: In addition, Melissa Ponzio, who appeared in four episodes of the series this year as Karen, will return for Season 4 as a recurring character.

She is really, really cute IMO. She could fill in well for Andrea.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Diddly on April 4, 2013, 01:08 PM
Welp, if any of them start getting an insane amount of lines or have a heartfelt discussion with Carol, they're gone :P
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt_Fury on April 4, 2013, 02:32 PM
I'm glad that they're bringing in new blood because 90% of the people they just brought over from Woodbury is nothing more than walker bait!
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on April 4, 2013, 02:45 PM
I thought Beth stickign a zombie in the head was a good sign she would get a little more love next season.  You have to figure as a group they need EVERYONE with a slight ability to kill to help out now because they took in the albatrosses of Woodbury.  Thus bigger workload for those that can do some killing.  Beth needed to pitch in anyway besides singing and watching the baby.  Carl's out being a psycho, no reason she can't. 

Sasha is Tyrese's sister I'm pretty sure, and pretty damn cute, but I think her demise is inevitable.  No siblings in the zombie apocalypse!

Karen SHOULD be able to be made into someone useful.  She did go to the prison to fight.

I loved how they all fled.  Played that fairly realistically I think. :)  SEAL Team 6, they were not.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: JediJman on April 4, 2013, 03:27 PM
With Andrea demise the show's T&A percentage has dropped dramatically. Lori is kinda cute, and well Beth is being played by an adult so maybe it is possible we see more. But still I don't see those two stepping up to do the soft moonlight buttocks scenes. Producers if you are listening we need more T&A next season!

Nah, Karen is hotter than Andrea and in typical WD fashion, they simply replace the profile with a new character.  Black guy dies, enter new black guy.  Wise old guy dies, enter new wise old guy.  Hot chick dies, enter new hot chick.  Allows them to make every minute serious because a core character could die, but the group dynamic is fairly static all things considered.

I thought the finale was great.  Did not see Andrea dying and did not see the Gov killing all his people.  What a fantastic turn of events.  I thought the attack on the prison was dead on and its ridiculous to think Rick & co. would move to Woodbury, not knowing the fortifications or having the manpower to defend it.  They hold out at the prison till supplies dry up (which they already eluded to), then be forced to move on or starve. 

The only question I had was when Tyreese was coming to relieve Sasha.  Then he changes his mind and tells her to wait a little longer...where did he go?  I thought this was  Tyreese going to save Andrea, but I don't think they ever showed where he went, did they?  Maybe it was irrelevant or maybe it will come up next season, but I thought that was odd.  I also wonder if Tyreese or Sasha maybe burned the Woodbury Zombies instead of Milton - maybe Milton just let them out the gate.  Would be an interesting turn to take. 

I can't wait for Season 4 - ugh!
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Greg on April 5, 2013, 09:52 PM
The only question I had was when Tyreese was coming to relieve Sasha.  Then he changes his mind and tells her to wait a little longer...where did he go?  I thought this was  Tyreese going to save Andrea, but I don't think they ever showed where he went, did they?  Maybe it was irrelevant or maybe it will come up next season, but I thought that was odd.  I also wonder if Tyreese or Sasha maybe burned the Woodbury Zombies instead of Milton - maybe Milton just let them out the gate.  Would be an interesting turn to take. 

I was also expecting Tyrese to save Andrea, and was bummed it didn't happen. According to Dallas Roberts, the actor who played Milton, parts of the episode were reshot. Originally Milton was shot by the Governor, we would have seen zombie-Milton attack Andrea, and Tyrese would have been the only one to find the carnage. I guess Tyrese's "I'm going somewhere" line was left due to sloppy editing. There are some pics floating around of the original version of the scene/episode. In the old version Milton was wearing glasses, like the pic below:

(http://images.tvrage.com/news/walking-dead-star-dishes-on-her-character-s-demise.jpg)
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: CHEWIE on April 8, 2013, 05:36 PM
Three cast members promoted to "Regulars" (http://tv.yahoo.com/news/walking-dead-promotes-3-cast-members-regulars-004041688.html)

Who is "Sasha"? That lady with Tyreese? Is she his sister or love interest? I never really got that.

This is the part I liked: In addition, Melissa Ponzio, who appeared in four episodes of the series this year as Karen, will return for Season 4 as a recurring character.

She is really, really cute IMO. She could fill in well for Andrea.

I like her as well - and unless I'm mistaken, she had a role in the comic at the end of the prison battle and pulled the trigger on a certain character.  Could be a different chick, but I think it's supposed to be the same one as Lilly Caul from the comics, just with a different name.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on September 16, 2013, 02:00 PM
The inevitable spin-off is coming in 2015. Suprised it took them this long.

http://tv.yahoo.com/news/amc-developing-walking-dead-spin-off-152036717.html (http://tv.yahoo.com/news/amc-developing-walking-dead-spin-off-152036717.html)
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on September 16, 2013, 02:13 PM
The inevitable spin-off is coming in 2015. Suprised it took them this long.

http://tv.yahoo.com/news/amc-developing-walking-dead-spin-off-152036717.html (http://tv.yahoo.com/news/amc-developing-walking-dead-spin-off-152036717.html)

Yeah, it was inevitable with Breaking Bad and Mad Men going off the air.

I think this has a lot of potential promise if done well. The best thing will be that they won't be constrained by the events in the comic, it will be completely uncharted territory and spoiler-free.

And maybe they will finally have some storylines related to how this all began because it still bugs me that there is that huge blind spot.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: JediJman on September 16, 2013, 11:30 PM
Awesome news.  I hope they run it off season, so we have some WD all year around.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt_Fury on September 20, 2013, 01:54 AM
I think it will be cool to see a story not tied to the comic.  That would give them a lot more freedom (even though they've diverted drastically from the comic storyline).

And what's this talk about Mad Men ending next year?  I hadn't heard that.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Neal on September 20, 2013, 09:24 AM


And what's this talk about Mad Men ending next year?  I hadn't heard that.

Yes, the seventh season of Mad Men will be its last.  But, like with Breaking Bad, they will be splitting the season over two years.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Force Guy on September 20, 2013, 05:52 PM
I think it's great news.  If done in the same manner as the webisodes, I welcome it!
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt_Fury on September 21, 2013, 01:16 AM
I have a theory that the end of Breaking Bad is actually the beginning of The Walking dead.  Todd has screwed up the blue Meth formula and it's actually causing the zombie apocalypse...Walt returns and purchases the M-60 to try and stop it.  :)
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: name on September 21, 2013, 12:47 PM
I have a theory that the end of Breaking Bad is actually the beginning of The Walking dead.  Todd has screwed up the blue Meth formula and it's actually causing the zombie apocalypse...Walt returns and purchases the M-60 to try and stop it.  :)


this
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: CloneF13Y35 on September 21, 2013, 01:33 PM
Awesome news.  I hope they run it off season, so we have some WD all year around.

I think Kirkman indicated whatever story they go with won't be tied to the comics, so I'm kinda hoping they go with either a concurrent story from maybe a military or civilian/Medical POV as well as try to show other locations either in US or worldwide of the zombie/walker apocalypse. Just hope they don't do a "Lost" style of story telling with Flashbacks/Flash-sideways as they called them; that just makes things too confusing. And I agree if they can air it over the summer to fill in the gaps between the Fall/Spring break up format that would be good!
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt_Fury on September 22, 2013, 01:26 AM
If they keep to the types of flashbacks we've had in the original Walking Dead, I'd be fine with that.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: JediJman on September 22, 2013, 10:54 AM
If they keep to the types of flashbacks we've had in the original Walking Dead, I'd be fine with that.

+1  I think Lost got confusing towards the end of the story because of the time travel and multiple times people were on and off the island, but I love the first few years of flashing back to who the characters were before the crash.  I'd love to see more of that in a new show.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: CloneF13Y35 on September 22, 2013, 12:28 PM
If they keep to the types of flashbacks we've had in the original Walking Dead, I'd be fine with that.

+1  I think Lost got confusing towards the end of the story because of the time travel and multiple times people were on and off the island, but I love the first few years of flashing back to who the characters were before the crash.  I'd love to see more of that in a new show.

True, done right the flashbacks can provide awesome insight into a character, their past lives, motivations etc. I just hope they can focus on the quality of the story, character development as seen in season 1. I know they have a budget and make up fx, tons of 'walker - extras' other special fx cast money and they have a certain amount tied up in salaries - Andrew Licoln, Norman Reedus probably get the most with maybe Steven and Lauren getting recognition as up-and-coming stars.
They film the Prison on the Production lot in Senoia, GA so other location shoots take up some budget.  Let's hope they continue to tell interesting stories for a long time to come!
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Qui-Gon Jim on September 23, 2013, 09:24 AM
I'll bet that the new show is centered around Darryl Dixon.  He's not a comic creation, and the fans (especially the women) LOVE him.  In fact, I saw a cool "Team Darryl" sticker on a car (complete with crossbow).
(http://img0.etsystatic.com/017/0/8008158/il_570xN.475939376_fffm.jpg)
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Tracy on October 11, 2013, 12:31 PM
Want!  8)
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: CloneF13Y35 on October 13, 2013, 10:38 AM
cast, writers and producers were at NYCC and aired a live broadcast of the WD panel last night. norman still gets 90% of the fan love but lauren was next. they seemed real excited about the new season which returns tonight at 9pm est! "Prey for the Dead"
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Sybeck1 on October 14, 2013, 08:14 AM
What s jumbled mess last night was.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Tracy on October 14, 2013, 10:35 AM
Finally got a chance to watch Talking Dead this morning.  Was surprised no one brought up the fence walker they kept showing - the one with the weird bloody eyes and face. Looks like he died from the same thing Patrick did.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Chris M on October 14, 2013, 11:46 AM
That's what I was thinking last night.  I was wondering what is his significance.  It also makes me wonder if we are going to be dealing some kind of super zombie.  I certainly hope that's not the case.  I love the zombies as the backdrop to the human drama.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on October 14, 2013, 01:12 PM
SWINE FLU!

The woman in the woods part was odd and I could see what was coming. Or was she real at all, was it all in Rick's mind?

Why was there a gun buried in the prison yard? From the Woodbury attacks? Just got plowed under during farming?

The Michonne Ranger is out hunting Guvnah. She MACON it her mission. LOL.

Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Mikey D on October 14, 2013, 01:35 PM
Totally unrealistic.


Who the **** would leave all that good booze?
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BillCable on October 14, 2013, 02:11 PM
SWINE FLU!

That's what I'm thinking.  Some kind of contamination, maybe in the water.  Maybe it's what's attracting the never-ending hoards of fence zombies.

Either that or the kid's system simply could not handle exposure to Daryl's handshake because Daryl is just too freakin' awesome.

Why was there a gun buried in the prison yard? From the Woodbury attacks? Just got plowed under during farming?

Pretty much - to symbolize Rick's transformation into a farmer.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on October 14, 2013, 04:20 PM
So awesome! You gotta start slow to build things up, fine with me. Loved Crazy Clara in the woods. (Best line of the night as she approached her campsite, "My husband is just a head"...LOL)

I loved that the kid who died at the end (Patrick?) is the voice of Phineas from Phineas and Ferb. Too funny.

Good points brought up here about the buried gun (agreed it was a metaphor for Rick's transformation) and the eye-bleeding fence walker (definitely related). And let's not forget poor Violet the pig. They need to tread carefully here though, they have never made the virus pathology, etc an important detail of the show, and I would hate to see them paint themselves in a corner with this storyline. This would be more promising if Milton or the CDC guy was still around to investigate.

Yeah, Daryll licking his fingers before shaking hands with Patient Zero was probably a bad idea.

I'm happy they showed no scenes of the Governor in the season previews, the more he is off this show the more I enjoy it. I figure that will be the back half of the season.

Calling it now that ex-Army Medic recovering alcoholic Bob is going to be trouble.

Beth just doesn't care anymore, Maggie is not pregnant, and Carol is teaching knife fighting. Good times!
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on October 14, 2013, 06:32 PM
Bob or BYOB?

Either him or Tryeese has to die, given the show's "one brother" rule.  :P

Milton and the kid had to die, no nerds on this show!

Backpack stealing Rick forgot to rob the crazy lady's campsite...of course he couldn't because it was all imaginary.  ;)


Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Sybeck1 on October 14, 2013, 09:36 PM
Pigs and horses just appear? What is this? Minecraft?

Hordes of walkers right outside the fences yet Rick might leave armed just with a bowie knife alone?

Crazy lady lives out in the wilderness alone for months? A lot of things not computing either before we get into the copter falling.

I was wondering if she was one of the hunters
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on October 14, 2013, 10:29 PM
Telling ya, she's all in Rick's mind...he's have another freak-out. Remember at least one of his 3 questions was something the imaginary callers on the phone asked him.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Morgbug on October 14, 2013, 10:46 PM
Totally unrealistic.


Who the **** would leave all that good booze?

I love you man.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on October 14, 2013, 11:49 PM
Loved it...  And it supposedly only gets worse.

Talking Dead was enlightening, and entertaining.  I hope to god they don't bring Silent Bob in this season because he single-handedly makes TD not watchable, but the guys they had on were great.  Don't know the celeb but Gimple was very forthcoming about the upcoming season without spoiling things much.

The celeb's thought on the walker pile-ups post-preview of next week's episode was pretty much 100% on I think.

Patrick proves you can't be a doofus and survive in the apocalypse, incase Milton hadn't driven that home to people already.  You'll die of your lame allergies or whatever.  You suck nerd!

Zach, we hardly knew ya.

Tracy, awesome point.

Gimple brought up that EVERY detail in E1 of this season will play out as the season goes on.  Everything.

I agree with Scock...  I think that may have all been in Rick's mind.  Maybe not, and if not I think it's pretty weird for sure.  She looked to almost be diseased herself...  makes me wonder if, and perhaps this is why she survived, but perhaps her smell's pretty much completely masked?  This is all assuming she's real and not in Rick's mind.

Loved the chopper through the Big Lots roof with the zombie hanging by his own guts.  Freaky.  Some very good moments with walker grotesqueness this episode.

Bets now on who isn't "walking" out of this season alive?  See what I did there?   :D

Anyway, I loved the episode...  Things really got out of hand quickly.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on October 15, 2013, 10:04 AM
Don't know the celeb but Gimple was very forthcoming about the upcoming season without spoiling things much.

Nathan Fillion. Firefly? Lost? Castle? He is a nerd celeb god, right up there with Bruce Campbell. Awesome dude.

I guess it could be argued that Crazy Clara was not real, but it doesn't fit the storyline IMO. Crazy Rick is gone. That was symbolized by the whole metaphor with Lori not appearing at the end of last season when they brought the new people in. The idea I think is that he is being slowly healed by a spirit of community. I don't see how it serves to move the plot forward if he starts going nuts again.

I think it's more likely she was real and had simply survived by virtue of having a "pet" around like Michonne did. And I don't think Rick took anything because what did she have of value? That knife? I'm sure that tent and those sleeping bags reeked of stank. They could easily get all that stuff from Big Lots anyway.

Someone should be working on digging some tunnels out of that place too. Just to be prepared.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jeff on October 15, 2013, 11:53 AM
The idea I think is that he is being slowly healed by a spirit of community. I don't see how it serves to move the plot forward if he starts going nuts again.

I kinda thought that was the point of Rick's talk with Hershel... Rick was wondering if "you can come back" and Herschel tells him, 'your son came back, you came back'.  I though that was them telling us that Rick was healed/healing from the tragedy of Lori's death, but I guess I can see how people read that as Rick still worried because he is still hallucinating things (camping lady).
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on October 15, 2013, 01:07 PM
I don't think Ricks health is that black and white...  You come back, to a point.  Things are nice, sure, and that's helped him...  But those noise cancelling iPod while he worked said everything about how fragile he is.  I lean to him NOT hallucinating Nell (credit to Matt) but I think he's far from truly "healed".  The group needs a psychologist to make it to camp and start charging a nickel per session.  The doctor is real in.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on October 15, 2013, 04:21 PM
I kinda thought that was the point of Rick's talk with Hershel... Rick was wondering if "you can come back" and Herschel tells him, 'your son came back, you came back'.  I though that was them telling us that Rick was healed/healing from the tragedy of Lori's death, but I guess I can see how people read that as Rick still worried because he is still hallucinating things (camping lady).

That is an interesting take for sure, I interpreted that as more of a spiritual/ethical type comeback than a mental one. Like "how can you reconcile the horrible things you have had to do to survive with your personal sense of morality?" That was kind of the thrust of their conversation, they had both done bad things but Rick was still willing to reach out and help a stranger whereas she couldn't make that leap and had crossed over to pure survival mode.

I hate to bring the comic into it, but my recollection is that crazy Rick was just a phase there too and he eventually stopped walking around with that telephone and got with the program again.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on October 15, 2013, 06:48 PM
She probably was real, I was half-kidding.

But there was a weirdness to her being so close to the prison (it seemed) and Rick just deciding to go with her alone into a potential trap (it was).

Having been to the same airport, liking the same statue. (IIRC)

I could believe a walker (her) got the boar, then it moved toward him and he shot it and then spaced out, imagining her story, how she got to this point. He's killed walkers so much he forgot they were human.

I don't think we need more crazy Rick, though. I think there'll be enough things going on.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Tracy on October 15, 2013, 09:29 PM
After re-watching today it struck me how "animated" the bloody-eyed fence walker was. It almost seemed as if he was actually looking at Rick and really"seeing" him.   If everyone has the virus that turns them into walkers with no brain activity other than in their brain stem - could the new virus alter how "alive" a walker is when they re-animate?
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Diddly on October 16, 2013, 12:22 AM
I'm interested to see where the virus storyline goes. Harry Potter coughed right into the shower water before he passed out so I'm assuming that comes into play at some point. BTW I had a good laugh when he talked to Daryl at the beginning, as I imagine that's what people look like when they meet Norman Reedus in real life.

Crazy woman was really weird. I'm guessing this comes into play again as the season goes on but as of now I'm just left asking WTF.

LOVED the shopping center portion though. I also thought Waterboy's friend was biting it due to the "Walking Dead Rule of Black People/Minor Characters Who Have More Than Two Lines." That wasn't the same chopper as the one from the first episode was it?
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on October 16, 2013, 09:16 AM
I think the copter from the first episode was more of a Blackhawk style assault helicopter and the one on the roof was an older, army-green Huey. IIRC.

I think "intelligent zombies" is a non-starter and they really need to stay away from that. It mutes the whole aspect of the threat, and has IMHO never been done well in any of the zombies stories that predate this one. (Please no "Bub" redux...)
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on October 16, 2013, 07:55 PM
They've largely been Hueys in the show so far, for some reason (Not real sure how many Hueys are in use in the military today, at all...  Some of our military guys may know that info more than myself...  I was thinking Hueys were largely out of service now, in any US Military capacity), but I believe the one that flew over Atlanta while Rick rode into town was a Blackhawk...  Can't recall but think it was a Huey that went down that the Governor's people discovered as well, Hueys outside the CDC and Rick's hospital as well, etc.  Seemed like a lotta Huey choppers in this series.

Blackhawks and Huey's are pretty distinctly different though...  It's been a while since I saw that one over Atlanta but I too think it was a Blackhawk or something similar.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Chris M on October 16, 2013, 11:19 PM
The Huey was retired in 2011 by the US military.  The last ones were retired in Germany.  That said, I want to say I've seen a recent picture of a couple of them being flown by the 160th SOAR.  I may be wrong and I don't recall a date on the picture.  Anyway, they have been retired from mainline service.  If they are still being used, it would probably be by some SOF organization.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Greg on October 17, 2013, 12:02 AM
Unlike the helicopters seen in Seasons 1 and 3, the one crashed on the roof was totally unrecognizable to me. Just a jumbled green CG-mess that barely looked like anything. Accuracy of equipment/weaponry shouldn't really matter though. IIRC the tank from Season 1 was a British model because they needed a hatch on the bottom, so there is precedent for going with whatever is convenient over accurate. Plus, zombie show yada yada. :D

Anyway, I thought the premier was pretty good. The "Big Spot" sequence was cool and I really liked what I saw of the new life at the prison. The subplot with Rick and Clara was strange; I enjoyed it, but at the same time it seemed forced and slightly out-of-place (like the bum in the cabin last season). I thought the disease was the best part though, and I am looking forward to seeing how it plays out... should be devastating for the prison group.

Lastly, was anyone surprised about the ratings for the premier? I was actually caught off-guard by the huge increase. I expected minimal or no growth after the disappointing Season 3 finale. Glad to see the show is still going strong and setting records though.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on October 17, 2013, 01:17 AM
Caught off guard?  Absolutely not...  I've heard nothing short of glowing praise for this show from EVERYONE really...  If anything I figured it'd be even higher.  I didn't find the finale disappointing at all either...  I liked it.  Didn't totally find it unexpected, but I liked it.

TWD is, to me, rivaled only by Game of Thrones...  Boardwalk Empire's creeping up there though.  Love it.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: JediJman on October 17, 2013, 10:53 AM
That is an interesting take for sure, I interpreted that as more of a spiritual/ethical type comeback than a mental one. Like "how can you reconcile the horrible things you have had to do to survive with your personal sense of morality?" That was kind of the thrust of their conversation, they had both done bad things but Rick was still willing to reach out and help a stranger whereas she couldn't make that leap and had crossed over to pure survival mode.

I hate to bring the comic into it, but my recollection is that crazy Rick was just a phase there too and he eventually stopped walking around with that telephone and got with the program again.

That's how I understood it as well - can you regain your humanity/soul after the horrible things you've had to do to survive?  Rick was crazy much longer in the books, but I feel like they are past that in the show already.  It's hard to compare the two because the storylines have become so different.  The virus in particular is very new.  Did anyone catch Harry Potter shaking Daryl's hand in the beginning?  I kind of knew what was coming with this, so curious to see if Daryl catches the bug.  I hope not, but based on the show to date and the comic, they have no fear of killing off even the most beloved of characters.  I can't wait to see the prison outbreak and hope they get to it quickly.  Seems dumb to me that they wouldn't have someone on watch all the time - you never know when that fence will give or someone will just plain die and turn.  What if someone has a heart attack in the middle of the night? 
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: P-Siddy on October 17, 2013, 12:26 PM
What if someone has a heart attack in the middle of the night?

That's just plain reality right there... and no one wants to see that.  The death has to be gruesome.  ;)
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: JediJman on October 17, 2013, 04:30 PM
What if someone has a heart attack in the middle of the night?

That's just plain reality right there... and no one wants to see that.  The death has to be gruesome.  ;)

That's the point though.  If some guy has a stroke and dies in his sleep, he comes back as a zombie and starts ripping into people while they sleep. You're really not safe unless you're isolated from everyone else when you're asleep.  Surprised they haven't hit on this yet.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Greg on October 17, 2013, 04:56 PM
What if someone has a heart attack in the middle of the night?

That's just plain reality right there... and no one wants to see that.  The death has to be gruesome.  ;)

That's the point though.  If some guy has a stroke and dies in his sleep, he comes back as a zombie and starts ripping into people while they sleep. You're really not safe unless you're isolated from everyone else when you're asleep.  Surprised they haven't hit on this yet.

One would think they would just lock the cells (not necessarily using the prison locks, but chains with padlocks or something) at night to  avoid an incident like someone dying in their sleep. Between not having night watches and not locking the individual cells, the group must be EXTREMELY complacent at this point.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on October 17, 2013, 05:52 PM
Agreed on cells...  No way if I were in there, would my cell be open...   I'd lock myself in and have my own mini stash of emergency food and weapons in a pack ready to roll out if needs be.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Morgbug on October 17, 2013, 11:45 PM
Agreed on cells...  No way if I were in there, would my cell be open...   I'd lock myself in and have my own mini stash of emergency food and weapons in a pack ready to roll out if needs be.

You mean like what's in my basement?   :-X
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on October 17, 2013, 11:47 PM
Hehe, I don't have a basement or I'd second that...  My stuff's just hidden in a secret place.  My special place.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BillCable on October 18, 2013, 09:44 AM
My stuff's just hidden in a secret place.  My special place.

That's what she said...

I just wanna know who hauls away all the harpooned fence zombies.  Or do they melt?
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Qui-Gon Jim on October 18, 2013, 12:32 PM

That is an interesting take for sure, I interpreted that as more of a spiritual/ethical type comeback than a mental one. Like "how can you reconcile the horrible things you have had to do to survive with your personal sense of morality?" That was kind of the thrust of their conversation, they had both done bad things but Rick was still willing to reach out and help a stranger whereas she couldn't make that leap and had crossed over to pure survival mode.

That is what I took from it too.  Could the soul come back from being inhumane, not really the psyche.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on October 18, 2013, 02:35 PM
What they should do with the fence zombies is when Darryl's out on a run look for a dozer or even a road paver.  Problem solved.

Bring back, armor it up.  No hauling away necessary...  Hell, it'll even help you make a barrier so the zombies can't get so high up on the fence by digging a bit of a trench around the perimeter.  Might need a backhoe for that, but hell it's rural Georgia...  People probably have those sitting in their front yards.

I'm actually surprised they haven't tried the overturned bus/tire wall on the INSIDE of the fence, to fortify it.  Clearly chainlink is flimsy not only against the dead, but the living.

Also some traps like in Rick's hometown would be a much more efficient way of breaking up those larger groups as well.

But yeah, buses should be fairly easy to find since they'd have surely been used a lot to shuttle victims around or evacuate people.  Woodbury's stuff may be even easy enough to get ahold of and bring back.

This group's definitely complacent.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: JediJman on October 18, 2013, 03:08 PM
The dead piling up on the outside of the fence is a great point.  At some point, you have to think that would either weight against the fence and help bring it down or enough bodies would pile up that the remaining dead would start stepping on top of them to push on the fence.  We've certainly seen more durable barriers fail with sporting events and the like - maybe that is where they're going with some of the preview scenes they showed. 

I'm not 100% clear on why there are any zombies left at the fence.  If you had 4 people killing zombies at a rate of 2 every 5 minutes (conservative versus what we saw on the show), then you'd take out 100 zombies every hour.  Just working at it one hour a day, you'd take out 3,000 zombies in one month, and that increases dramatically if you worked at it a couple of hours or had just a few more people involved.  I can't imagine they're getting that many new zombies every day - it should be simple enough to clear them all out and then an even lightler load when they need to take on new stragglers. 

Minor potential spoiler - In the comics they eventually build a reinforced wall around camp and put a moat and maze of cars all around to slow the advancing dead.  Another camp has those spikes all around like the front of the prison gates, so zombies get stuck on them and act as a deterent to any living invaders.  Plenty of time to get to all that I suppose, but there's lots more they could be doing to protect themselves.  I still think posting a few sentries 24-7 is critical - not sure I could ever sleep without that.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on October 18, 2013, 09:25 PM
My stuff's just hidden in a secret place.  My special place.

That's what she said...

I just wanna know who hauls away all the harpooned fence zombies.  Or do they melt?

Just burn them! Don't even need to waste gas, propane, kerosene work fine. Not like they're gonna burn the fence down.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on October 18, 2013, 09:55 PM
Actually it will...  Heat weakens steel over time and piles of zombies would generate a lotta heat...  I've thot homemade flamethrowers would be great but that many zombies is gonna create intense heat.  Burning them in a mote would be good tho.  Like happened at woodburys trap.  Smoke might draw unwanted live attention tho. :/

There don't seem to be pile ups of dead walkers on the fence but carol mentions the build up taking place for a while so I think its possible they're already cleaning them up in some capacity.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on October 19, 2013, 07:47 PM
Great point about the smoke, Jesse. Bad idea.

When they first got to the prison, it wasn't completely overrun, despite the fencing being down in places. Wonder what's driving them all that way now. Doesn't seem like the group is being all that high profile. Minimal noise, lighting, etc. I guess it is more of an accumulation over time, although carol does seem to indicate its been getting worse.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: CloneF13Y35 on October 19, 2013, 08:08 PM
Part of the new 'threat' is what's causing the walker build up and in the previews they've shown dead half-eaten rodents so someone in the prison is 'feeding' the walkers thus causing more to show up - kind of like stray cats lol
and it's entirely possible that maybe 'some' of the woodbury refugees are still loyal to the Gov eventhough he's missing at the moment.
but the biggest mystery right now is what's up with the bleeding eyes zombies?
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on October 20, 2013, 11:14 PM
 Season 4 Ep 2 "Swine Flu Over the Koo-koo's Nest"

I gotta ham it to Rick, when it come to dealing with walkers, he really brings home the bacon.

I found myself not Karen much about the people who died. Rick looks distraught, someone needs to Patrick on the head and tell him it's alright.

Can Carol CUT it as those girls' guardian? Her talk with the oldest got a little edgy.

Tyreese will be burning with rage next episode after what happened to his flame. They seemed like quite the match. He was really carrying a torch for her.

Yeah...


Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Chris M on October 21, 2013, 06:39 AM
Hahahaha...I see whatcha did there.^^^
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on October 22, 2013, 01:14 PM
Looks like I picked the right week to watch the new episode late On-Demand, did not miss much by way of comments.

Still feels like they are setting the table, but more focus on the walkers is always good in my book. Prisoners in Cell Block D! (Does anyone remember that show?!?!)

I find I am liking Carl a LOT more this season than ever before. He's grown up, not doing stupid stuff that gets people killed anymore, and seems to really be making the effort not only with Rick but with himself as well. I like that their relationship is solidifying once again, as evidenced by Carl relating the Carol news, and Rick actually taking Carl's advice to heart.

Loving Michonne this season as well, her character is getting a lot more depth beyond slicing walker heads. I guess the implication now is that she lost a child at some point? I don't recall that from the comics but that doesn't mean anything. It's an interesting angle.

I'm not entirely convinced that the person feeding the walkers is the same person who burned up Karen and the other guy. The two actions are essentially in direct opposition to each other. The idea with the rats seems to be to get the walkers in and make things crazy dangerous, whereas killing Karen and the other guy is more like a preemptive mood to STOP things from getting crazy dangerous if they were in fact to turn. (Although since they were already locked up maybe the fear was that they would somehow end up exposing more people)

At any rate, I don't see the unifying goal that would be served by those two things. Whoever it is doesn't seem very worried about covering their tracks. It should be easy enough to lock things down, do head counts, restrict people's access, MAYBE LOCK UP THE GASOLINE, etc.

Wouldn't surprise me if it was Carol who burned the bodies. Maybe the new army medic guy is King Rat?

Loved Rick strapping on the holsters again. Those poor piglets though!
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Tracy on October 22, 2013, 02:34 PM
The two actions are essentially in direct opposition to each other. The idea with the rats seems to be to get the walkers in and make things crazy dangerous, whereas killing Karen and the other guy is more like a preemptive mood to STOP things from getting crazy dangerous if they were in fact to turn. (Although since they were already locked up maybe the fear was that they would somehow end up exposing more people)

I didn't interpret it that way - I just assumed they were burned after they died to help stop the spread of the virus.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on October 22, 2013, 05:42 PM
Hah @ Scockery

I am thinking maybe carol killed Karen and Decatur David (we hardly knew ya).  It's just a guess because she's so hyper aggressive at the moment.  Putting Daryl and Tyrese against one another would be an interesting story dynamic too...  Like Daryl all you want, but he's a dude riding a Harley with SS runes on the tank.

 I felt worse about the pigs dying.

I think I liked seeing the girls dad die because it kept with the Zombieland theme that fatties won't survive the zombie apocalypse. (Do your cardio).
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Sybeck1 on October 22, 2013, 05:59 PM
I feel like it was Sasha that killed Karen. Can't prove of course.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on October 22, 2013, 06:32 PM
A good choice....  She maybe was being defensive of Tyrese...  Noticeably absent from the episode as well.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BillCable on October 22, 2013, 06:53 PM
I think the rat feeder is probably just sadistic, not trying to destroy the prison.  Might even be the daughter who's messed up and naming zombies.  "Does little Nicky want a snack?  Yes he does!  Nom nom nom nom."

I don't have a clue if the virus folks were preventatively murdered or disposed of post-death.  Seemed like a lot of blood on the pillow... but I suppose it could be from being attacked instead of from aspirating. 
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on October 22, 2013, 07:30 PM
I read some theory that Karen is the culprit and faked her own death with the bracelet on the burnt body.

That's better than my spontaneously combusted theory.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on October 23, 2013, 01:32 AM
Bursting into flames...  yet another threat.  Nice twist.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Diddly on October 23, 2013, 07:16 AM
Still getting a kick out of this pic

(http://i.imgur.com/c0p9ZvH.png)
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt on October 23, 2013, 07:27 PM
Fox News: America's obsession with 'The Walking Dead' is hurting our society (http://www.foxnews.com/health/2013/10/17/dr-manny-america-obsession-with-zombies-is-hurting-our-society/?intcmp=latestnews)

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   By Dr. Manny Alvarez

Dr Manny's Notes
Published October 17, 2013
FoxNews.com

Is watching “The Walking Dead” seriously hurting American society?

I would argue ‘Yes.’  Hate me all you want, or call me paranoid and misinformed, but there is one common theme that is pervasive in American pop culture today: violence.  Even more specifically, zombie violence. The idea of a zombie-infested world inspires fantasies of monsters possessed by an uncontrollable rage to kill, and viewers get a thrill imagining what it would be like to participate in this new world order.

We also see this zombie obsession in many videogames.  Even more disturbingly, these games create environments for young children, in which they are exposed to an imaginary world where they get to play with firearms and place themselves in dangerous situations that they find exciting.  And studies have shown that these videogames can sometimes condition people, especially young children, to be apathetic towards violence.  That’s why they’re labeled M for Mature.

This obsession with the undead in television and other media is quite puzzling.  The concept of zombies has been around for decades, and their mythology has even been studied by scientists to prove that such an outbreak can never occur. Yet, whether it be in books or film, zombie popularity has only increased after having originally been popularized by the 1960s film, “The Night of the Living Dead.”

Now, it seems that zombies on television are part of our daily routine.  The obsession also permeates into other facets of our lives, such as with so-called Zombie Runs, in which people dressed as zombies chase other “civilians” to make them run faster towards the finish line.  Even scientists at the National Institutes of Health have spent time creating an apocalyptic how-to guide on dealing with a zombie outbreak.

Give me a break. As a doctor and scientist, I know one thing for sure: When you’re dead, you’re dead.  Our brains should be less focused on imaginary zombie hordes and more focused on harnessing the tools that we need in order to enhance our lives, whether it be music, education, science or the classics. Entertainment should help us soothe our brains so that we can ease our minds of some of the stress from our daily lives. 

With this country heading towards a socialized system of government, in which officials don’t want you to think or focus on what is important for your own personal growth, I’m sure they’re more than happy to let you obsess over something as stupid as zombies. 

And in turn, you ultimately become the zombie.

Wake up and smell the coffee.  Stop obsessing over eating brains, and focus on cultivating your own.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on October 23, 2013, 08:44 PM
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Hate me all you want, or call me paranoid and misinformed

It's ok, I already took your advice when I read where you work. :)
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on October 23, 2013, 09:44 PM
LOL, well said.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Qui-Gon Jim on October 24, 2013, 02:28 PM
If you take TWD and change it for Keeping up with the Kwhorda$$hian$, then he'd have a point.  TWD isn't a huge deep drama, but it does have some social commentary. 
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on October 24, 2013, 05:54 PM
What entertainment is there beside sex and violence?

Humour...some of that has sex and violence.

Gambling. That's healthier, right?

Drugs.

Watching other people play sports? *yawn* Some of those are violent. People get seriously injured in football. Maybe it's hurting American society.

Seriously, violence has been American entertainment for a long time. We don't have heroes shooting guns out of people's hands much anymore...though we still have one-punch knock-outs in pop culture.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on October 24, 2013, 07:14 PM
I would disagree that TWD isn't a thinking series...  I think the fact that the series setting in a zombie apocalypse is widely regarded as nothing but secondary to the story's character development is a direct contradiction to that view of the series...  It's maybe not THE deepest TV show and/or dramatic story told in history, but I think it's a very intellectual and well written show...  Gratuitous violence doesn't diminish that.

You could take the zombies out, and make it some other dramatic situation which the characters are in, and it would be just as good...  People fixate on the zombies and the gore a little too much I think.  You could center it around a major historical event like the World War I or the Fall of Rome, and get similar results I think.

I've always said it, but the zombies are really just secondary...  they're like the weather.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Qui-Gon Jim on October 25, 2013, 09:47 AM
I completely agree, Jesse.  The zombies are a conceit to examine what could happen when societal structures fall apart.  I always get a kick out of the gore, but the character moments are what keep me watching.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: P-Siddy on October 25, 2013, 01:28 PM
Heck, could argue the same about BSG.  Take the Cylons out and the wiping out the colonies, what would there be.  These shows (BSG and TWD) open dialogues on the human character and how people react to dire circumstances.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Tracy on October 27, 2013, 11:09 PM
Wonder if that will put a damper on the whole Carol/Daryl slow-burning romance..... :o. And I wonder how Daryl will feel about his vow to put a bullet into whoever did it once he finds out it was Carol.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on October 27, 2013, 11:42 PM
Wasn't enough they killed Zach, but now his car, too.

I wouldn't count on a Dodge before the apocalypse, much less after. (I made the same joke about Defiance).

Will Rick find some patsy for Carol or tell everyone?

"That guy did it, but he died of the disease."

"Rick, that guy was 75 and walked with a limp."

"Shut-up, Daryl."
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on October 28, 2013, 03:51 AM
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I am thinking maybe carol killed Karen and Decatur David (we hardly knew ya).  It's just a guess because she's so hyper aggressive at the moment.  Putting Daryl and Tyrese against one another would be an interesting story dynamic too...  Like Daryl all you want, but he's a dude riding a Harley with SS runes on the tank.

Me FTW!

I lean towards the patsy angle, but it tears up Carol inside...  I was talking about this tonight with my mother (she's a huge fan, which is kinda funny.  She likes dissecting everything about an episode as much as we do but computers scare her, so she won't be joining in).

She doesn't agree, but I think Rick blames a dead sick person who croaked while they were out getting meds...  Rick says, "Yeah, 'Decatur Bob' told us right before he died...  case closed!", and everything's relatively hunky dory except Carol's a bad liar.  Might come to a head at some point, but IF there's not patsy angle, I'd say Carol's dead and Tyrese's time with the group is near its own end because I can't see Daryl going away or letting Tyrese go batty on Carol.

Carol's still a ***** btw...  For all her hard speak, and all the Carol gushing on Talking Dead, she still got her machete stuck in a zombies head and fell down.  Chicks, I tell ya.  ::)  :-*

Speaking of Talking Dead...

So, yeah, Kevin Smith officially usurped as the biggest *******/most annoying guest they have...  Marilyn Manson now wears the tiara.  I think the other two guests didn't get to speak nearly enough, despite both sounding like they had much better things to say.  And Manson was largely incoherent and droned on in failed attempts to sound like he was thinking deep about every aspect of the show.  He was horrible, and given Hardwick's treatment of him at times, I don't think he'll be back any time soon.  Twiggy should come on though.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on October 28, 2013, 11:13 AM
So, yeah, Kevin Smith officially usurped as the biggest *******/most annoying guest they have...  Marilyn Manson now wears the tiara.  I think the other two guests didn't get to speak nearly enough, despite both sounding like they had much better things to say.  And Manson was largely incoherent and droned on in failed attempts to sound like he was thinking deep about every aspect of the show.  He was horrible, and given Hardwick's treatment of him at times, I don't think he'll be back any time soon.  Twiggy should come on though.

OMG, you took the words right out of my mouth. That was literally UNWATCHABLE. And I really wanted to hear what Gale Hurd had to say but I simply could not take another second of that ******bag.

 "At no point in your rambling incoherent response were you even close to anything that resembled a rational thought."

I guessed right on Carol too, but not in this forum sadly so I do not get credit. :(  Still time to get your bets in on the rat-feeder though. (Going with one of those girls)

Here is the main problem with carol: her head is in the right place, but not her heart. She is making decisions now UNILATERALLY for the entire group and making her own determination on what's best. That is a huge problem. THAT IS WHAT THE COUNCIL IS FOR! If she had done any of this stuff with their blessing that is one thing but clearly that is not the case.

Tyreese isn't going anywhere, so this gets resolved eventually. Maybe Carol dies, maybe not. I think Rick has learned his lesson about not coming clean in the past though, so I am hopeful he handles this the right way. I mean, he just needs to get everyone together in one big room and then tell them what happened. Don't let it fester.

And after all that, Carol never even goes to check on Sasha, LOL.

That was one sick looking black eye, ouch.

So what happens if a walker dies and falls in the little river where they're getting all their fresh drinking water from? That does not seem very sanitary.

Good episode though, every one without the Governor is a real delight.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Greg on October 28, 2013, 12:08 PM
Good episode last night... I loved getting to see more of Tyrese. The fight with Rick was great, and the moment during the group's run was epic. Last week I didn't suspect Carol as the murderer, but I knew it was going to be her when she was present during the opening scene. It was an interesting choice for the story and definitely has me re-thinking the murders as possible mercy killings. It was still a very Shane-esque decision on Carol's part, and I look forward to seeing how Rick deals with it. 
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on October 28, 2013, 01:42 PM
You know what...maybe...RICK AND CAROL HOOK UP. That's what this is leading to.

Marilyn Manson,  they need more guests like him so I can stop watching Talking Dead and do something more worthwhile.

I briefly suspected that Hershell was gathering poison plants to kill all the infected. He was  being suspicious about going outside alone.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: name on October 28, 2013, 05:04 PM
Three black people went out with one white guy, and none of them died.

I don't even know what show I'm watching anymore.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BrentS on October 28, 2013, 05:18 PM
Three black people went out with one white guy, and none of them died.

I don't even know what show I'm watching anymore.

I thought we were going to lose one for sure. I'm still it sure how Tyreese made it out. I figured he would as it didn't seem like it was his time yet.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on October 28, 2013, 08:14 PM
When Tyrese didn't leave with the group, but then showed up, it's like the show's writers were dicking with us and did that on purpose.

"Look, we'll make 'em think Tyrese is the black person who doesn't come back!"

How nervous is the guy with the SS Runes on his fuel tank too?  Am I right?  It's like a Chappelle skit.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on October 29, 2013, 08:58 AM
Can't believe I forgot to mention the bit about the radio. It was quickly overshadowed by the car hijiinks with the herd, but who WAS that on the radio?

Seems like maybe a good way to introduce another comic favorite...drum roll please: ABRAHAM

You read it here first.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BrentS on October 29, 2013, 09:08 AM
Can't believe I forgot to mention the bit about the radio. It was quickly overshadowed by the car hijiinks with the herd, but who WAS that on the radio?

Seems like maybe a good way to introduce another comic favorite...drum roll please: ABRAHAM

You read it here first.

The show producer mentioned something about the Comics in reference to the radio part. Well she said it may or may not be related to the comics. Having not read the comics, I have no reference.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt on October 29, 2013, 09:29 AM
Can't believe I forgot to mention the bit about the radio. It was quickly overshadowed by the car hijiinks with the herd, but who WAS that on the radio?

Seems like maybe a good way to introduce another comic favorite...drum roll please: ABRAHAM

You read it here first.

News of Abraham's casting got out a couple weeks ago. No one mentioned it here, though.

‘Walking Dead’ Adds Michael Cudlitz, Josh McDermitt; First Photo Of Sgt. Abraham Ford (http://www.deadline.com/2013/10/walking-dead-michael-cudlitz-josh-mcdermitt-first-photo-abraham-ford/)
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on October 29, 2013, 12:46 PM
Can't believe I forgot to mention the bit about the radio. It was quickly overshadowed by the car hijiinks with the herd, but who WAS that on the radio?

Seems like maybe a good way to introduce another comic favorite...drum roll please: ABRAHAM

You read it here first.

News of Abraham's casting got out a couple weeks ago. No one mentioned it here, though.

‘Walking Dead’ Adds Michael Cudlitz, Josh McDermitt; First Photo Of Sgt. Abraham Ford (http://www.deadline.com/2013/10/walking-dead-michael-cudlitz-josh-mcdermitt-first-photo-abraham-ford/)

Yeo, I had read that too, so I wasn't really going out on a limb I guess. Can't wait for these guys to show up, we need more studs for Team Rick. Good stuff!
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Tracy on October 29, 2013, 02:08 PM
Carol's still a ***** btw...  For all her hard speak, and all the Carol gushing on Talking Dead, she still got her machete stuck in a zombies head and fell down.  Chicks, I tell ya.  ::)  :-*


Hey!  Her hands were slippery from all of the mud! >:( ;)
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on October 29, 2013, 08:43 PM
In the zombie apocalypse, there's no excuse for slick hands.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: name on October 30, 2013, 10:07 AM
In the zombie apocalypse, there's no excuse for slick hands.

In her additional defense, I would say it's been a while since she's had to kill a freshly reanimated corpse.  Maybe she's gotten used to spongey skulls.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: CloneF13Y35 on November 3, 2013, 03:32 PM
now let's see who lives and who dies; can the search team of michonne, daryl, bob and tyreese get the meds - if there any still any left? Will hershels' elderberry drink help those who aren't too sick eventhough he himself is most definitely infected. will the walkers finally push over one of the fences or will more of them get partially shredded on the fence?
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on November 3, 2013, 11:26 PM
Will antibiotics work against a flu? NO. (okay, they haven't said what the illness is.)

Will everyone Rick meets die? Is he to people what Bob is to groups?

Does Carol base her decisions on horror movies? "Split up, cover more ground."
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Chris M on November 4, 2013, 06:59 AM
I thought last nights episode was great.  It's amazing to me how going into four seasons they can still develop a character even more.  Rick, needless to say has been a wild ride and will continue to be after last night.

Darryl, I don't even know what to say.  His character continues to grow deeper and deeper.  As for Carol, I'll be interested to see what happens to her, how Darryl and the group react, and it affects everyone else.  Part of me says Rick made the right decision for Carol.  She would get killed as soon as people find out what she did.  I think even Darryl would be a little pissed about her.  I'm basing that on how he handled the alcoholic and what he said about making friends and trusting them.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on November 4, 2013, 11:09 AM
Great episode. Rick TOTALLY saved Carol, that was an act of mercy. I think it was great that he never even entertained the idea of not telling everyone what went down. Keep the group strong. Carol's downfall was exactly what she tried to accuse Rick of - making decisions for the group. She could have easily gone to the Council and explained her rationale befoer kiloing Karen and David. But her whole end-around philosophy is not going to work in a group where trust is paramount right now.

I did not catch her interview on Talking Dead, but I am certain we will see her again. Hopefully not rolling up to the prison in a big-ass tank with the Gov. She didn't exactly put up much a fight as far as getting banished. (Loved how she told Rick she would "handle" Tyreese, sure you would) It seemed like she and Rick sort of arrived at a mutual understanding there at the end.

And what else could he have done really? This really was the ideal solution. You can't try to lie or cover it up, you can't let her stay there after what happened, and you can't just let Tyreese kill her without a lot of bad blood lingering. He took the best option, ultimately IMO.

So how did those two doofuses ever survive that long? I continue to be surprised when they encounter people who seem relatively normal. At this point I feel like everyone scrounging around out on their own would be pretty bad off, mentally, spiritually, emotionally, etc. Good thing dude left the keys in his car.

I don't think I fully grasped the Bob/Darryl beef. Was he pissed that Bob only took the bottle and no meds? Or that he took the bottle at all? I thought Michonne was carrying all the meds they collected. I can't believe Darryl didn't take that bottle and throw it off the roof and tell him to go get it.

Are we supposed to forget that someone was feeding the walkers rats? I keep waiting for them to get back to that.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Sybeck1 on November 4, 2013, 12:34 PM
Good new people...and now their gone....
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on November 4, 2013, 12:41 PM
Darryl was pissed that Bob risked his life and theirs for the bag that only had booze in it, instead of just letting it go. Michonne had the meds.

The bleeding eye walkers are like a new video game level..."can't kill them, risk infection". 



Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BillCable on November 4, 2013, 12:42 PM
Good new people...and now their gone....

Their gone what?

Carol went full-on cold-blooded.  I was half expecting Rick to put her down for her crimes. 
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on November 4, 2013, 01:15 PM
Darryl was pissed that Bob risked his life and theirs for the bag that only had booze in it, instead of just letting it go. Michonne had the meds.

Thanks, that was pretty much what I surmised, was just worried I had missed something.

Also got confused on why it was such a cluster**** getting out of the Vet school. Why didn't they just go back the way they came?

BTW, Chris Jericho >>> Marilyn Manson
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on November 4, 2013, 01:52 PM

Also got confused on why it was such a cluster**** getting out of the Vet school. Why didn't they just go back the way they came?


I was wondering that, too. It's not like they were familiar with the place.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Diddly on November 5, 2013, 11:02 PM
What I don't understand is why didn't the group take ALL of the meds? I mean, you never know what could happen, might as well be prepared, especially if there are all sorts of pills there.

As for that random couple, something's up. The leg was a little too cleanly cut, and homeboy just vanished...

Carol's not gone, a least I don't think she is. She's become too much of a badass and too major of a character to just write off like that. Maybe she comes into contact with our good friend Phillip?
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on November 5, 2013, 11:56 PM
I don't know if anything is up with the couple, like the hermit in the cabin from season 3 and woman in the woods with Rick...just another oddball encounter with people who survived until they unfortunately met Rick Grimes.  :(
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on November 6, 2013, 02:18 AM
I loved the episode too...  But I agree with some points brought up.

Why not leave the vet school the same way?  Really odd situation.  I read a synopsis online that stated that their old path was blocked, but I don't recall a mention or visual of that...  One can assume it I guess, but still it's weird and I just don't recall them saying or showing that at all.

What are the odds that shop just happened to have a battery on the rack for that van?  That's possible but also not likely.  It's also not likely that you'll fix it that easily after it's sat for 2 years without the fluids in it (they were really REALLY filling those).

Totally agree on the meds too...  Why leave any?  What might you need down the road? 

Agree on the kids...  Really?  These two manage?  I'd think the fat guy on a hove-a-round with a neck like a pack of hotdogs would have a greater chance of survival than these two nudniks but stranger things have happened I guess.  There was a sort of implication that they "sneak" around more than engage zombies.  Kind of like Glen used to do things.

Jerricho, definitely...  What a disaster that was last week, but Jerricho this week should sit in EVERY week.  Dude dominated, and thinks stuff out to logical conclusions.  I dug him.  No clue who the girl was but she can sit around looking cute too I guess, but Jerricho even acknowledging last week's debacle was just great on his part too.

Carol, they were gushing over her on TD, and personally I think it was misplaced praise...

Carol DID F up by ignoring Rick and going out to clean the hose line.  Rick saved her.  She'd be dead without him risking his life to fix her going "Shane Mode" there.

Carol DID F up by killing Karen and Decatur Dave...  And again, her ****** decision changed nothing and made a bad situation worse by pitting herself against Tyrese and forcing Rick to choose what to do there.

Carol DID F up the kids...  2 new people, idiots as they were and relatively useless it seemed (except for laboring back at camp) were killed because, once again, Carol went "Shane Mode" on Rick and overrode him right in front of them.  They'd said they needed to pop off 5 rounds to bring down a walker.  They didn't have a knife on them it seemed.  And the girl had a spooky foot.  You can't have spooky foots in the zombie apocalypse.

That's 3 major flubs by Carol right there...  but on Talking Dead they're saying how she's become a better leader than Rick...  Oh REALLY?  ::)  Yeah, no.  She's making decisions coldly, but she's clearly making the wrong ones routinely.  That's a bad leader.  Shane was a better leader.  Seriously.

Being cold and indifferent can be good, when you need to be.  But Carol I think fancied herself far tougher than she actually is...  Like McMetal said, she's saying, "I'll handle Tyrese".  Riiiiiiiiggggghhhhhttttt...  with your slippery fingers on your machete?

I went from being a Carol fan to sort of not liking her anymore this past episode.

At least Rick sent her off in what appeared to be a nice sensible Ford wagon.

So at the end of the day, besides the Carol praise on TD, and a couple questionable (but possible I guess) plot holes, I liked the episode a ton... 

Oh and yeah I'll reiterate the Bob thing...  Darryl/Bob talked about his demons and Darryl pats him on the back, only to have Darryl, Tyrese, and Michone have to save Bob because he's hanging onto a half-drunk bottle of Old Crow like he's Elsa and it's the Holy Grail about to cross the seal (Matt will hate that reference).

Bob f'd up.  And needed to fill that with some of those friggin' meds they left behind!

And man those traps would be awesome to have too...  Cages up in trees just out of zombie reach with rats?  You'd have a great barrier in the forest around the prison if you did a bunch of those up.

A totally side gripe about the series overall is the mechanical inaccuracies...  I brought it up a little with the battery "luck" and seemingly easy fix there, but gasoline goes bad when it sits and it had sat in that van for some time...  That alone, it can be tough to turn a car over that's sat after 2 years, much less modern ones with fuel injection and stuff.  That's why things like Sea Foam and Lucas Fuel Injector Cleaner works...  Bad gas can easily stall any car out.  They have gas to spare at times it seems though too...  Again that seems off.

Bio Diesel I'd buy...  But not all the gas they're coming up with.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Greg on November 6, 2013, 09:02 AM
A totally side gripe about the series overall is the mechanical inaccuracies...  I brought it up a little with the battery "luck" and seemingly easy fix there, but gasoline goes bad when it sits and it had sat in that van for some time...  That alone, it can be tough to turn a car over that's sat after 2 years, much less modern ones with fuel injection and stuff.  That's why things like Sea Foam and Lucas Fuel Injector Cleaner works...  Bad gas can easily stall any car out.  They have gas to spare at times it seems though too...  Again that seems off.

Bio Diesel I'd buy...  But not all the gas they're coming up with.

The gas thing (and also just overall shelf life of stuff) has bothered me slightly. I think Rick mentioned expiration dates on medications, so at least they haven't ignored that aspect totally. It has been two years or so in story-time, so hopefully the group will have to get more creative. Michonne has the right idea with a horse.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on November 6, 2013, 11:51 AM
Rick had the horse idea first, but then got his horse killed, of course.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt on November 6, 2013, 12:31 PM
No clue who the girl was but she can sit around looking cute too I guess

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Oh and yeah I'll reiterate the Bob thing...  Darryl/Bob talked about his demons and Darryl pats him on the back, only to have Darryl, Tyrese, and Michone have to save Bob because he's hanging onto a half-drunk bottle of Old Crow like he's Elsa and it's the Holy Grail about to cross the seal (Matt will hate that reference).

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Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: CHEWIE on November 6, 2013, 04:31 PM
Maybe she comes into contact with our good friend Phillip?

Or ends up with a role in the spinoff series.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BrentS on November 6, 2013, 06:08 PM
Maybe she comes into contact with our good friend Phillip?

Or ends up with a role in the spinoff series.

I hadn't thought about that!  Could be the long term plan.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on November 6, 2013, 07:39 PM
So far they've said the spin-off is a whole new thing...  or so sayeth Nicotero...  He's excited to explore new characters.  Maybe down the road, but at this stage I wouldn't expect any interaction with the TWD crew at all.

I was thinking the Governor angle too...  She may harbor a bit of resentment too, though I agree, Rick was sparing her.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Diddly on November 8, 2013, 03:50 AM
No clue who the girl was but she can sit around looking cute too I guess

Check out a movie called Choke, where she plays a stripper and takes various clothing off

And yeah I thought I read the spinoff was supposed to take place somewhere else in the country, like California or something.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Sybeck1 on November 8, 2013, 02:10 PM
Check out a movie called Choke, where she plays a stripper and takes various clothing off


Well worth a Google search
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Sybeck1 on November 8, 2013, 02:16 PM
You speak of gas and batteries, I could see tires dry rotting and being worthless in a few years.

I look for Carol to be right at the point of death by walkers and the Guv rescuing her. Hey and guess what he does not know who she is because they never met and she learns of his plans for the people in the prison. She would not betray Rick I think, but mainly for those girls.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on November 8, 2013, 06:57 PM
Absolutely on the tires...  And hoses and belts...  Cars let sit for years rarely just pop back to life.  The older a car the better in this world.  And two modern mopar muscle cars in the show despite in one instance it being a clearly bad choice is suspect. ;) Musta paid for the cgi those weeks.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: GrandMoffNick on November 8, 2013, 07:48 PM
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Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt_Fury on November 9, 2013, 12:25 AM
Don't forget that in the time since the outbreak...it's only been about a year and a half...two years tops.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Chris M on November 9, 2013, 08:37 AM
Absolutely on the tires...  And hoses and belts...  Cars let sit for years rarely just pop back to life.  The older a car the better in this world.  And two modern mopar muscle cars in the show despite in one instance it being a clearly bad choice is suspect. ;) Musta paid for the cgi those weeks.

Absolutely agree with this, especially about the old cars.  When I deployed in 2002, I left my truck at my mom's house.  I told my step dad to take it out and drive it to work about once a week just to allow the tires to roll over, belts to flex, and so the gas wouldn't just sit in the tank and turn to gunk.

However, I'll give TWD a pass on the dynamics of the cars just because I love the show and don't want to nitpick too much.  I appreciate that they have no electricity and that was one of the first things to go.  Once people stop working at the power plants, the power goes out.  The History Channel did a show a few years ago called "Life after People." Really good show and I think they said the lights might stay out 2-4 weeks if people weren't around before the fuel would run out and the automated systems would shut down.  Nuclear power would be a little different and might actually end with a nuclear meltdown because nobody was around to manage the cooling system for the fuel rods.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: CloneF13Y35 on November 9, 2013, 10:43 AM
Good real world discussion, my friends at work and I discussed some of this recently. Whether it was an EMP that totally knocked out all electronics, the huge loss of people to run the power plants, service the grid etc. most things we take for granted would cease to work. I know they can't dwell too much on the details of why there's no electricity, where do they get gas from - and how is it still good; wouldn't part of it evaporate enough that it wouldn't have the chemical potency to work? And how after all this time, why aren't more walkers decomposing faster due to less 'fresh meat' for them to feast on?
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Sybeck1 on November 9, 2013, 11:46 AM
At the end of the second season they of course showed the prison in the background. After that it was pictured like they roamed for months around it. I still can't get past that a deputy sheriff in the same state didnt know where the prison was, let alone no signs were seen or that it was only accessible by a dirt road. When Tyresse and Sasha came in they came in through a breach in high brick walls. Given that I would looking for ways to live there, but it is a show, with a bad set.

Just how long could wildlife that dont live in the ground on in the ground survive. Animals would need rest but these walkers never have to stop
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on November 9, 2013, 01:24 PM
In the comics Grimes was a deputy from Cynthiana, Kentucky, they are currently in Georgia.  On the show he's from King County, GA (which does not exist?). States have more than one prison, so I can give Rick a pass on that. The gravel road never made sense, though, nor does having a tree line so close.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Chris M on November 10, 2013, 11:07 PM
Interesting...wonder how the whole Rick/Darryl dynamic is going to play out now.

Good episode and certainly leading up to a good one next week.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on November 10, 2013, 11:17 PM
Hershell was the Man in that episode.

Carting off the dead so no one would see them get head stabbed was too risky, though.

2 assault rifles and some ammo take out a lot of walkers...could've been done sooner since the fence situation was waaay out of hand already.

Dogs chewing on that walker's guts in the opening? Black dogs, too...which were an old omen of death.

Talking Dead has become lazy (two of those folks turned walkers had names...Henry and Mr. Jacobson, but Talking Dead couldn't be bothered) and so boring I fell asleep twice and it was still on, I hung out till the end and they showed the clip from next week that was...the same clip from the end credits.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Chris M on November 11, 2013, 06:37 AM
I don't bother with Talking Dead anymore.  Hardwick is an idiot and not very funny at all.  I DVR so I can get the preview for the next week.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on November 11, 2013, 09:32 AM
Yeah, Talking Dead needs to go back to 30 minutes, an hour is just too long. By the second half they are just treading water, going over obvious stuff. (OMG, remember when they had "musical guests"?) The guys they had last night were good, but there's only so much you can stretch those conversations out.

So, thus ends the best part of this season. I really, really was hoping they would save the Governor reveal until the last episode before the winter break. I'm not ready to go back there, the show has been SO GOOD without him.

Nothing against the actor, or even the writers really, but the whole Governor thing just sucks the life out of this entire show. The walkers, to me, are a much more compelling adversary. I just hope if nothing else that they decide to wrap this thing up once and for all this season. I absolutely do not want them to pull the Lost - Michael Emerson card and write the dude into the show long term because they think he's such a great actor. People and storylines in this show have a natural shelf life.

Enough looking ahead though. Hershel kicked ass again, Rick and Carl bonded over the slaughterama, and Maggie got to break an axe and shoot out a window! I even found myself liking Lizzie for a second with her gutsy attempt to save Glenn, up to the point where she remembered she was a girl and had to trip and fall down.  ::)

Nothing like getting intibated with a used, blood and vomit-encrusted intibator. Good luck, Glenn! (I was seriously worried for him there at one point)

I think Rick and Darryl will be fine. Darryl will be pissed probably yeah, but as much at Carol as Rick i think. He was the one who said he'd put a bolt in the culprit himself after all. I'm much more curious to see what Tyreese's reaction will be. How pissed is he gonna be that they let her go?

RE: scenes from next week - who on Earth could sleep peacefully in a nylon tent in the zombie apocalypse? That's the best you could do for accommodations over the past 6 months? And where are Tweedledee and Tweedeledum?
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: CHEWIE on November 11, 2013, 11:08 AM
Just how long could wildlife that dont live in the ground on in the ground survive. Animals would need rest but these walkers never have to stop

I think that wildlife would actually thrive in this type of scenario.  Less roadkill, less human intervention with their habitats, less hunting, etc... and walkers are generally slow and stupid... smaller animals have to be hard for them to catch.  I can't imagine them often being able to catch rabbits, squirrels, etc.

As for the walkers never having to stop, in the comics there is evidence that eventually they "run out of gas."  I'm a bit behind in the comics to see if this was really explained in much detail. 
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Greg on November 11, 2013, 11:31 AM
Just how long could wildlife that dont live in the ground on in the ground survive. Animals would need rest but these walkers never have to stop

I think that wildlife would actually thrive in this type of scenario.  Less roadkill, less human intervention with their habitats, less hunting, etc... and walkers are generally slow and stupid... smaller animals have to be hard for them to catch.  I can't imagine them often being able to catch rabbits, squirrels, etc.

As for the walkers never having to stop, in the comics there is evidence that eventually they "run out of gas."  I'm a bit behind in the comics to see if this was really explained in much detail.

I think the walkers would eventually rot away. I'm guessing the consumption of people and/or animals either slows or completely stops the decomposition process, then the rotting either accelerates or resumes as the walkers go without food.

As for wildlife, I think most animals would adapt to walkers being around. Bears and wolves would likely have no problems taking out walkers, while less violent creatures such as deer would just run from them. The domesticated animals would be easy meals though, like Hershel's cows in Season 2.

Nothing like getting intibated with a used, blood and vomit-encrusted intibator. Good luck, Glenn! (I was seriously worried for him there at one point)

I think Rick and Darryl will be fine. Darryl will be pissed probably yeah, but as much at Carol as Rick i think. He was the one who said he'd put a bolt in the culprit himself after all. I'm much more curious to see what Tyreese's reaction will be. How pissed is he gonna be that they let her go?

RE: scenes from next week - who on Earth could sleep peacefully in a nylon tent in the zombie apocalypse? That's the best you could do for accommodations over the past 6 months? And where are Tweedledee and Tweedeledum?

Did Hershel sterilize the breathing device? I thought I saw him holding a bottle of something to clean it, but it could have just been the device. **** moved fast during that scene!

I can't wait for Rick to tell Daryl the news. The redneck hero is going to be so conflicted. I'm sure he'll feel betrayed that it was his good friend who did the killing (similar to his reaction to Bob with the booze) while being pissed at Rick for banishing Carol immediately.

There's a preview on AMC's website for next week that shows Martinez. I'm guessing Shumpert is around as well, but sleeping peacefully in his zombie-proof tent.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: CloneF13Y35 on November 11, 2013, 05:59 PM
Another really good episode, imho ;)
I like how urgent the situations inside and outside became as Hershel tended to and dispatched the dead while the fence attack was cool to see!
This was a great episode for Maggie/Lauren fans as she was showcased very well - again imho :)
They didn't shy away from talking about Carol, I like how Maggie kept asking Rick about her and I'm glad he didn't mince words or underplay it.
But once Daryl and Tyreese find out Rick cut her loose - all heckdoodle is gonna break loose between those two - IF the reveal of the Gov doesn't force them to deal with another threat instead of having time to fight about Carol.
I'm still very satisfied with the pacing, story telling and character development so far this season!
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt_Fury on November 11, 2013, 09:07 PM
I think next week will be an hour long episode about what the Governor and his cronies have been up to since they left.  S those waiting for the Rick/Darryl confrontation will most likely have to wait two weeks.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on November 12, 2013, 12:48 AM
It's been pointed out on Talking Dead (and on the show actually) that zombies go into a "hibernation" mode...  Once there's a certain time of inactivity for them, they just basically go to sleep...

And they are starving, though very, very slowly.

I think the dogs were something of foreshadowing of future threats...  Animals would almost inevitably become a problem.

Anyway, I think the episode was great...  My favorite part was really the bonding between Carl and Rick...  Some badassery there.  Though I think the only reason they hadn't gotten to that point yet was they didn't want to use the ammo up...  Carl chucking a new magazine to his old man though, that's some classic stuff.  Carl's one of the best in the camp at this point.

I liked the ending...  I think that solidified who was luring walkers to the fence.

I didn't mind Talking Dead, and frankly I think Hardwick's a great comic...  His show on CC now is pretty great, and he  had a stand-up special this past year that spoke to the nerd community.  I think last week's TD was better than this week, but for some reason this week just didn't have as much to talk about.  I thought the guests were pretty decent again though, but this really was just an episode there wasn't as much to chit chat about.  Sometimes the hour isn't enough, especially when writers or producers are on talking about the things in the show that are either only vaguely implied or not really spoken of at all but which are intended (like the zombies starving, for instance).

I'd like a count of how much fodder is left in the prison at this point...  No clue how many people are still there.

And I agree, I thought Glenn was going out vomiting on the floor.  Glad he got bailed out there, but really they played up the tension well this episode I thought.

And I agree again, I think the Governor's going to be pretty much all of next week's episode with very little of the group.  :-\  Might be interesting I guess, to see his perspective of the time elapsed here. 
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt on November 12, 2013, 02:22 PM
Chris Hardwick sucks. If AMC has to have two hours of Walking Dead content every Sunday night, I'd rather they give fifteen more minutes to the show itself and take Talking Dead down to 45. It's ridiculous that they gave that crapfest a full hour.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: GrandMoffNick on November 12, 2013, 02:27 PM
I used to really enjoy "Talking Dead", but agree its obnoxious now. I don't remember if that coincided with the switch from 30 to 60, but either way it needs to go back to 30.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BillCable on November 12, 2013, 02:38 PM
Or you can... you know... not watch it.   :-*

Or watch the first 30 minutes...   8)

I never watch it so I have no complaints.  Make it 6 hours.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: GrandMoffNick on November 12, 2013, 02:42 PM
Or you can... you know... not watch it.   :-*

Or watch the first 30 minutes...   8)

I never watch it so I have no complaints.  Make it 6 hours.

You'd think that would make sense, but somehow it doesn't work that way.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on November 12, 2013, 02:50 PM
I'd be cool with 45 minutes...  60 is a little much, but the week before last was great I thought, and very interesting conversation...  The week before that, it was dismal, but it's tough not to pin that on Manson completely.

I'd like more insight into the show...  Insider opinion is far more entertaining on TD than watching Marilyn Manson and Jack Osborne's opinions...  Sometimes you get a good guest, like Jerricho, but usually a good guest is Nicoterro or one of the writers or effects guys.  There should be one every episode for it to really be worthwhile.

And Hardwick's funny so eat it.  >:(
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on November 12, 2013, 03:12 PM
Or you can... you know... not watch it.   :-*


My general response to the recent controversies about late night talk show hosts.  I suspect most of the complainers never watch Conan or Kimmel.

However, the Talking Dead used to be more engaging. Now, not so much, especially when's there's no show people on.  And this is coming from people who watch it.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Qui-Gon Jim on November 12, 2013, 03:40 PM
I think that the bad part of TWD this week was Breckin Meyer.  Dude must have connected parents because he's gotten SO many chances to bomb.  He really sucks.  Not near the Manson line, but down there.  Chris Jericho was really good.  The show is at its best when someone from production or cast is a guest.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt on November 12, 2013, 03:42 PM
Most of the people that would offer the best insight into the show are all behind-the-scenes, but the average WD viewer isn't gonna watch a bunch of no-names talk to each other on a couch for sixty minutes. So instead we get episode commentary and analysis from these third-rate "celebrities." It doesn't exactly make for good TV, either way.

One of the editors of Breaking Bad, Kelley Dixon, started doing an insider podcast early into that show's run, and they were really interesting and entertaining to listen to. She's edited on Walking Dead too. It'd be cool if she (or someone) could put together a similar podcast for Walking Dead. I'm kind of surprised there's not one already.

Re: Hardwick

I just do not find the dude funny in the slightest. I watched his stand-up special and I don't think I laughed once during the whole thing. A lot of people must like what he's doing, though. He's been on TV in some form or another for, what, like almost twenty years now?
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on November 12, 2013, 05:35 PM
Between the dating show and The Nerdist I honestly don't recall anything he did, but I enjoyed his stand-up special more than I thought I would, and his new show Midnight I find funny actually.  TD, he's sometimes all that's holding it together.  Look at the way he clearly had more than enough of Manson.  Tell me with a straight face you thought he handled that poorly.  :)

Last week's show, again, was very good...  This week, not so much.  And Manson week, it was unwatchable.

Never watched The Nerdist but heard good things.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: CloneF13Y35 on November 12, 2013, 06:15 PM
Like many of you - I didn't like hardwick at first and that was when it was 30 min - i think they were trying to cram too much into a short show and he was way too hyper. But when it went to 60 min, I've felt he's evened out his over-enthusiastic geekdom and is a little more tolerable. I also agree the producers like gayle-ann or nicotero plus cast are better - I guess they will be on more during the second have of the season since filming will be over.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on November 12, 2013, 06:33 PM
I thought filming was over already?
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt on November 12, 2013, 07:32 PM
Between the dating show and The Nerdist I honestly don't recall anything he did, but I enjoyed his stand-up special more than I thought I would, and his new show Midnight I find funny actually.  TD, he's sometimes all that's holding it together.  Look at the way he clearly had more than enough of Manson.  Tell me with a straight face you thought he handled that poorly.  :)

I thought we were talking about how funny he is, not how competent of a host he is. But yes, to his credit, he was in a tough position there and handled it satisfactorily. (That's the best you're gonna get out of me. Sorry.)

I did enjoy a bluegrass Radiohead medley (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-BGFAP6JJrk) he did as part of Hard 'N Phirm a few years ago, and I have enjoyed the handful of Nerdist podcasts I've listened to, but that has less to do with him as host, and more to do with the fact that I already liked his guest going into it. He gets some really good guests to do those things.

Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on November 12, 2013, 08:53 PM
I'd say both are relevant...  I find him funny (enough on TD) and a good host for what he's given (it's a tough show).  He's more in his element on his Midnight show...  No clue on The Nerdist though I've seen guests that almost compelled me to watch it, like you said...  Very good guests.

I like the memoriams, and things on TD...  I'd like to see some changes to the show too though, and maybe 45 minutes would be a nice way to start.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BrentS on November 12, 2013, 10:24 PM
I think next week will be an hour long episode about what the Governor and his cronies have been up to since they left.  S those waiting for the Rick/Darryl confrontation will most likely have to wait two weeks.

Sorry to disrupt the talking dead bashing... But I completely agree with Matt. I think next week is (unfortunately) going to be entirely about the Governor. We probably won't see a lot of the prison except maybe or the mini cliff hanger at the end.   
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt_Fury on November 13, 2013, 01:57 PM
I also don't see how the Governor could be the one luring the zombies to the prison unless he has someone on the inside (whoever was feeding them rats is inside the prison).  Also, if he were staying close to the prison, Michonne would have found him.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on November 13, 2013, 02:25 PM
Eh, it's a chainlink fence...  I don't think, at night when nobody's paying attention (or so it seems) that the governor would have much trouble getting in and doing whatever he wanted.

The theory floating about was Bob was a plant from Woodbury, but Woodbury sent all their able-bodied people to the prison...  Unless Bob was someone new he picked up along the way, or something along those lines.

It'd have to be someone also with the time to catch all these animals.  It wasn't all rats, as I recall.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Sybeck1 on November 13, 2013, 09:42 PM
With all cuts made in the fence by the survivors themselves, you wonder why it would necessary to go through the trouble of feeding the rats.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on November 14, 2013, 12:28 AM
I think the big reveal will be that the Governor has a zombie eye under that eye patch.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Diddly on November 14, 2013, 04:43 AM
The theory floating about was Bob was a plant from Woodbury, but Woodbury sent all their able-bodied people to the prison...  Unless Bob was someone new he picked up along the way, or something along those lines.

Didn't Daryl at one point say something like "When we found you you were alone, now you need to learn to work as a team" or something like that?
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on November 14, 2013, 02:04 PM
Yes, that was during the bonding moment that Bob ruined with the booze grabbing...  That's when he said about being in 2 groups and being the last man standing, blah blah blah...

I can't see him having anything to do with the Governor unless the Governor had found him, they bonded, and he got him to get in with Rick's group.  Just doesn't seem to fit really either way.  I think he's fishy and weird, and has something off about him, but I don't think he's with the Governor...
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: JediJman on November 14, 2013, 03:47 PM
I'm finallllllly caught up on WD again after falling behind the last few weeks.  Good episodes.  This last one with the Flu/Fence epidemics at the same time was fun, bhtough I thought the flu thing was handled kinda shoddy.  There was no better way to lock the sick people down in case they turned?  Didn't it seem like initially people turned fast, then with this last wave of the flu it took them days and days?  I know Hershel's tea was supposed to help a bit, but come one.  Then people get the antibiotics and they're all good the next day.  I'm just getting over the flu (non Zombie kind) and have pneumonia as a fall out, so if everyone is happy and dancing in the next episode I'm going to be very disappointed that whatever wonder drug they randomly found in the animal school isn't somehow available at my local Walgreen's. 

I'm still not clear on who was feeding the rats.  They seemed to come from inside the fence.  Is the Governor really sneaking inside the fence to drop off a few dead mice each week?  You'd think he could wreck more havok taking out the water supply or letting all the farm animals loose.  I think someone inside, maybe one of the kids, was feeding zombies thinking that they're still people in some way.  Didn't the infected girl that Carol was watching say something to that effect last episode?  "Yeah, they're zombies, but they're still sort of people."  Heck, if the Governor was going to go that far, why not just open up the front gate?  I think he's laid some kind of trap or bigger sabotage that we've not seen yet. 

I read a few posts about how people think the zombies go into a state of hibernation or just wear away.  I've read all the books and don't recall anything about that, so if anyone has a source I'd love to read it again.  I think in the WWZ novel they talked about zombies getting cold and freezing up with the winter, but I don't recall any WD lore about that.  I think they get more docile when there;s no stimulus present, like obvious prey or noises drawing them somewhere because they don't really know where to go, but I don't think we've seen any evidence yet of them just wearing out.  I don't think Kirkman wants "let's just wait around 5 years and they'll die off" to be a realistic solution in the book or the show. 

Can't wait for next week.  Like everyone else - I've stopped watching TD.  Can't dedicate an hour to a show talking about another hour long show.  That's ridiculous.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on November 14, 2013, 05:40 PM
That was from Nicotero or Kirkman IIRC on Talking Dead, about the zombies going into sort of hibernation and starving (but very, very slowly), but it's it's been shown in the show...  The specific example pointed out as I recall it was the group in the diner, but every episode it's actually sort of shown...  Zombies laying around, sleeping almost, then waking up when stirred.  That's pretty common throughout the show.  They're stirred up by anything from a mouse running by or a chopper flying overhead and they wake back up.

I seem to recall on a TD episode them also mentioning that the cold makes the zombies go a little more dormant, or slow down slightly, but they're still functional and with the right motivation are pretty much as deadly as usual.

Talking Dead serves a purpose with the right people on it...

I think the thought of them starving isn't really on the minds of the characters...  So it's not a viable solution because it's never even considered really, but it's just mentioned because the question was asked whether they can starve...  Ones locked up somewhere then probably could, eventually, but it could take eons, and they eat anything it seems so they seem to survive well and waiting them out till they exhausted everything alive on Earth that they eat isn't realistic anyway.

I was curious about this so I looked it up...  Wikipedia sort of contradicts itself on them "sleeping".  It says they're "playing dead" but that seems unlikely by the way the show implies them laying silent till something stimulates them and they wake up...  They don't all wake up to attack.  They simply wake up (as is evident at the diner place, and other settings).

Sometimes they wake up and strike immediately though, as with Herschel's leg...  Sooooooooo, the wiki isn't reliable here I think.

They do mention they're starving though, even in the show, and it's likely that they'd waste away to nothing over time as the body basically devours itself if they go without food long enough in theory, or simply it rots away and eventually they re-die.

I think in the show it was Milton who mentions the starvation thing?  I forget though.  Him or Jenner.

I guess in the comics several times they come across zombies who've not eaten in a long time (including a child who starved to death himself, then came back and is now a starving zombie) who aren't even able to crawl and are barely "undead" at this point.

Zombies who don't eat seem to turn into "lurkers" though and go into that dormant state...  Like the ones in the church which is still a scene I don't get...  It looked like a wedding was taking place but everyone just sat down in a pew and died and was there that whole time.

Glen Mazarra said they don't starve, but eventually do rot away and die...  sooooo, that's weird and kind of similar ultimately.  :-\
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: CloneF13Y35 on November 14, 2013, 06:38 PM
yeah I have to agree - I think TWD 'zombie lore' is different than most other zombie series so it's ok with me.  I would believe that the zombies would nearly 'freeze to death' in the cold, it would make what tissue they have lock up, freeze or whatever but I'm not sure they would 'thaw out' afterwards. I'm curious to see how things play out with the return of the Gov, psycho little lizzie the zombie loving girl and the whole daryl-tyreese-carol issue plays out too.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on November 14, 2013, 06:51 PM
From what I was reading there's a lot of similarities to Romero's zombies but attempts to differentiate too...  Less use of tools being one.  Less "personal identity" too.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: JediJman on November 14, 2013, 06:58 PM
I don't see how zombies can starve or waste away outside of years and years of time.  They can be shot over and over or hacked to pieces, but the only way we really seem the die is by damage to the brain.  Even the ones that were burned in the pit I assume died because the heat and flame destroyed their brain, which we know is the source of the disease.  We have seen heads survive on in water tanks or just keep biting after being chopped off.  How about the woman living outside the prison who was essentially carrying her dead husband's head around in a bag and feeding it?  They don't seem to really digest anything, so I don't think the actual consumption of flesh gives them any kind of sustanance.  More like they are compelled by the basic urge to eat flesh regardless of whatever impact it does or does not have on their bodies.  If that's true, it would imply they all really decay at essentially the same rate with the only difference between external factors like time, age when turned, weather, etc.

I don't remember anything about a boy starving himself then also starving as a zombie in the comics.  If you have any idea what sotyline or around what issue number, I would love to re read about that.  I haven't read the earlier books in a long time and feel like I've forgotten a lot of what happened from post governor to Nagan.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on November 14, 2013, 07:30 PM
Don't recall it saying anything specific just that it was a traumatic moment for "the group" and they killed the boy and buried him, but they did mention that...  It was in the wiki about the show I was reading.  To be honest though, similar things have been shown in the show...  Zombies in the church seemed a little slower and more decayed, Bicycle Girl (despite having no lower torso) was noticeably unable to grab quickly or be too aggressive...  The Wiki seems to point out a few things from the comics but I haven't read them yet myself.

Kirkman says they're instinctively eating though, not a need per se...  They're pretty dumb and primal...  Milton I'm quite sure is who mentions them starving to death but they may just simply become more lethargic as they're decayed further too.  I think that makes sense for the most part.

They didn't mention time-frames for the decaying in anything I read...  Years, decades...  It's shown on the show though, clearly.  Don't know about the comics but one of the wiki things mentioned pure white eyes as the iris and eyeball decayed is a sign of the zombies decaying over time in the comic.

The wiki contradicted itself (and the show, at least) on the "lurker" thing and kept saying they were "playing dead"...  I don't see that.  Dormant maybe after not finding food or stimulation for a while, but some of them in the show clearly are waking up slowly to move to what got their attention...  others woke up quickly and attacked immediately.

Mazara outright said they are NOT starving but are decaying in a Q&A that came up in the search, but here's a quote from the Wiki:

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In "Walk With Me", it is revealed that zombies starve, but at a significantly slower rate than humans. When a living person goes into starvation mode from lack of nourishment, their body begins breaking down fat tissue, followed by muscle tissue and converting it into energy. Eventually, the body will begin breaking down the tissue of vital organs and the person eventually expires when those organs cease to function. In theory, if a zombie cannot find a food source, the zombie pathogen will probably cause a break down of body tissue and convert it into energy even though they are dead, until they basically wither away to nothing.

I think this is where Milton says it, but again I think he could just be witnessing decay...  or perhaps the food makes them more vibrant and a lack of food makes them more sluggish, but not dying of starvation?

The wiki says they can climb ladders and, I don't know about you guys, but I don't recall them climbing anything.  If anything, I recall them NOT climbing up after Rick and Glenn in Downtown Atlanta.

Here's more on eating habits... 

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Zombies prefer to eat living flesh: birds, animals, and people. If living food isn't available, zombies will eat meat from dead corpses, unless, in the case of humans, the corpse reanimates as a new member of the undead. Zombies do not digest food. When their bodies are "full", the undigested meat will be forced out through the anus.[8] As zombies are dead, it is assumed that their bodies will continue to rot even if they are well-fed. If no sustenance is available, zombies will starve, ultimately contributing to the rate of decomposition. Unlike humans, however, who can only live several months without food and a few weeks without water, zombies can survive for perhaps years without any nourishment.

http://walkingdead.wikia.com/wiki/Zombies

There are some citations to specific notes from the show and comics...

I knew someone on the show mentioned them starving, but the show's so widely separate of the comic at this point who knows.

Issue 55 seems to mention something about a "malnourished walker" the group encounters, as well, but I can't find much more than that.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: CloneF13Y35 on November 14, 2013, 09:21 PM
as it seems they have very minimal brain function - didn't Jenner say at the end of season 1 that only the basic of brain functions return?
so just scatter medium sized debris behind you, things they could trip over since they shouldn't have the cognitive ability to side step an obstacle in their way. Or maybe do like Morgan did in the town and setup various kinds of traps and sharp edged or pointed posts for them to get caught on.
I'm working  in a hospital now doing IT work so my imagination is all over the place with cool ideas for how to deal with zombies!
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on November 14, 2013, 09:25 PM
I wouldn't say that out loud at work...  :D

Bob was kind of doing that at the Vet school, pulling down chairs and things in the hallway to buy time.  Seemed to work ok too...

Banana peels people...  Banana peels.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jedi Idej on November 14, 2013, 11:20 PM
Not so sure about no or little cognitive ability. During the barn slaughter, the zombies seemed to maneuver ok over fallen bodies.

A couple of episodes back, during the scenes of Carol murdering Ty's lady and dragging her body, did we see flashbacks of what actually happened or a peek into Rick's head as he imagined how the deed might have played out? Anyway, as she dragged the body, I noticed "something". But the scene was so quick I couldn't put a finger on it. (I dozed off on the second showing.) Then I saw a frame capture on the WD thread at the other site which shows what appears to be a second set of hands helping pull the body! My guess is Lizzie's younger sister.

Ty as a master, uh, hammerman, isn't working for me the way it's being depicted. In one scene it takes 2-3 blows to the head to take down one of the zombies.

Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on November 14, 2013, 11:41 PM
Some interesting points in that wiki thing in the zombies is some even have out their hands up in defense of themselves...  Poor acting by the extras?  It looks like some cognitive thought tho. :)

I agree about Tyrese's hammer...  Bad weapon choice... Very probe to sticking in a skull.  If you're demoing drywall, try doing it with the claw or blunt end of a typical carpentry/roofing hammer...  Your hammer will get stuck.  A small shovel, like an entrenching tool would actually be far more ideal.  A thinner bladed knife as a last resort for stabbing, but a small military entrenching shovel would make a weighty cleaver that is heavy enough to crush, short enough to swing in tighter spaces, and has 2 relatively sharp edges for cutting.

A hammer might work on a few spread out but isn't ideal for big groups or swarms.

BTW after watching the Daily Show tonight, Neil DeGrasse Tyson would've basically ended this thread, long ago.  :P
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt on November 15, 2013, 12:06 AM
I agree about Tyrese's hammer...  Bad weapon choice... Very probe to sticking in a skull.  If you're demoing drywall, try doing it with the claw or blunt end of a typical carpentry/roofing hammer...  Your hammer will get stuck.

Gif related:

(http://i.imgur.com/I9MGWum.gif)
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on November 15, 2013, 12:20 AM
She's saying Thanks Obama because Obama supports use of Hammers in the zombie apocalypse...   ::)
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on November 15, 2013, 12:52 AM

Banana peels people...  Banana peels.

A tropical fruit in short supply in post-apocalyptic Georgia.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on November 15, 2013, 12:55 AM
Time to uproot to a country where they're plentiful...  The people there are probably having a ball.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on November 15, 2013, 01:04 AM
Like T-Dog said, head to the coast...get a boat.

Did he say boat? he should have.

I'd like the Walking Dead spin-off show to be a What if? show.

"What if T-Dog headed for the coast?"

"What if Shane killed Rick?"

"What if Rick hadn't handcuffed Merle?"

"What if Rick's horse could talk?"

"What if Glenn became Glenda?"
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: evenflow on November 17, 2013, 10:38 PM
Hand to hand pit combat against zombies was cool, but over all not too exciting of an episode again. I have been bored pretty much all season so far. Most of my friends feel the same. Not sure if its us though.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Chris M on November 17, 2013, 10:55 PM
For once, the slow pace didn't bother me.  I've enjoyed pretty most all of this season.

I can't stand the Governor, but I like that they brought an element of humanity to the guy and it didn't seem like it was forced.  It actually seemed like he cared.  Of course, there is no telling what will end up happening to the little girl he's "adopted." 

Good episode all the way around IMO.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on November 18, 2013, 12:17 AM
Also starring David Morrissey as Snake Plisskin.

Mostly predictable episode once he meets the family.

Except...I did not expect part two.

That maybe leaves us with one episode with Rick and Co. before the mid-season break.

I'd have stayed where's there is pepperoni sticks and a safe place to sleep.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Diddly on November 18, 2013, 12:27 AM
I LOVED tonight's episode, and I've been kinda bored with the season so far too. It feels weird seeing the Governor in a sympathetic role after everything we've seen so far but I think they did it well.

Still trying to piece together how he gets outside of the prison at the last episode. Obviously some **** goes down between that scene and the end of tonight's episode, with this new family appearing to be under control of Governor's old sidekick.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt_Fury on November 18, 2013, 12:50 AM
I enjoyed the episode, and I'm a bit surprised they're taking it to a second week.  I'm actually shocked those three girls lived as long as they did on their own.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BillCable on November 18, 2013, 09:39 AM
All I could think last night after the episode was over was "Geez - the guys on JD were complaining that it'd be a whole episode dedicated to the Governor... they're gonna go ballistic now that it's TWO!"   ;D

The episode was fine.  I suppose you could survive on pepperoni and spaghetti-os for a long time as long as you could track down water.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: name on November 18, 2013, 09:55 AM
Am I the only one who liked the storyline, but HATED the performances?  All four of those in the apartment were awful.  It was like watching a high school play.


Also, how the hell is it that "I'm a badass" sister kept going back upstairs to shoot walkers and never thought to experiment with a headshot.  The first time, sure.  The second time I would think you would just intuitively try a shot to the head.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BillCable on November 18, 2013, 10:02 AM
She's a chick who failed out of the academy... probably not that bright or a good shot.   ;)
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on November 18, 2013, 12:59 PM
I generally don't mind the slower paced episodes but this one really dragged, IMO. Mostly because of Phillip himself. All the brooding, no talking, it got tiresome.

Props for making the guy seem a little less psychopathically demonic, but if you are expecting the audience to buy some sort of half assed redemption story you can forget it. This is not Merle.

I was suprised Martinez and the other guy ditched him, but that was classic.

I didn't really get pouring out the spaghettios either, but in retrospect probably a smart move. If you meet new people in the zombie apocalypse, and they offer to feed you right off the bat, there is probably a high probability of poison and/or roofies. Stick with the sardines.

Leaving was just plain silly though. "Who needs all these comfortable beds and toilets?" They could have cleared that building easily enough. WTF do they think they are going to find? Phillip at least should have known better.

End of the world or not, getting freaky in the back of the van with a little kid sleeping right next to you is just plain disgusting. Like it's so hard to sneak away, sheesh. Even Shane and Lori never stopped that low.

I was surprised this merited a second episode as well, but clearly some bad stuff has to happen for him to have any interest in going back to that prison.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: GrandMoffNick on November 18, 2013, 01:11 PM
Really liked the episode. I appreciate it's not just "The Govenor is back to shoot up the prison again". That to me would have been boring.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt on November 18, 2013, 01:24 PM
I didn't really get pouring out the spaghettios either, but in retrospect probably a smart move. If you meet new people in the zombie apocalypse, and they offer to feed you right off the bat, there is probably a high probability of poison and/or roofies. Stick with the sardines.

It's not that The Governor thought they were laced with something, it's just that he's kind of a foodie and only likes the real thing.

(http://i.imgur.com/fE3282a.jpg)

Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: CloneF13Y35 on November 18, 2013, 06:43 PM
I liked it eventhough it was a slower pace. it was maybe a tad too slow but I appreciate the honest attempt at story telling character development. wasn't perfect but it didn't suk either.
I had a feeling he'd take to the little girl as a replacement for his daughter thought I was surprised her mother decided, hey what they hay he's the first man to come around in a long time and it also seemed like the sister almost a cop plays for the girls team so someone had to get funky with the monkey.
But the end with the Gov rescuing the girl in the walker pit and martinez showing up with a genuine WTF look on his face was great!
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on November 18, 2013, 08:54 PM
The lie that was the truth, "I'm a pirate."

Also, I didn't think about it until the next day, but this episode fits into the "Do you get to come back?"
from the season opener.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: CloneF13Y35 on November 18, 2013, 09:55 PM
good point, does the Gov get to come back from the edge of psychotic vengence!
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on November 19, 2013, 09:31 AM
Did anyone else think the Mom looked an awful lot like Maggie? Maybe it was the unflattering post-apocalype hair style but that seemed intentional almost.

Forgot to mention the highlight of Talking Dead - Hardwick busting out the Governor action figure! Although it might have been nice to note they are also available at Walgreen's, Toys R Us, etc and not just pimp the AMC website.

Morrissey was good though.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Chris M on November 19, 2013, 12:28 PM
I noticed that about the mom too. I pulled up IMDB to see if somehow it was the same person.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on November 19, 2013, 01:19 PM
Noticed the Maggie resemblance as well...

I too questioned how she never once thought to even attempt a headshot...  That was kinda weird.  Hard to imagine anyone survives that long without killing one at some point, or being eaten if they can't figure it out.

The Spaghetti O dump was because he didn't want to accept anything from anyone and feel he owed them...  Or so said The Gov. himself.

The family in the apartment were...  yes, annoying seems right.  I thought at any moment he was going to destroy them all.  I'm wondering what kind of point they were at in the timeline of things that he got there and stayed with them.  Where were they in the prison's timeline and things.  I like knowing that stuff.

I didn't mind a whole Gov. episode or two...  Actually I looked forward to what he was up to, but expected it to be a lot more violent. 

This again was a week where Talking Dead cleared up things I felt...  It helps when an actor, writer, or production person are on the panel.  The "celebrities" are worthless.  Next week's two comedians, which, great I guess, but they'll maybe be funny and will certainly not be any more insightful than any other random fan.  They may be Jerricho good, or Manson dismal.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: CloneF13Y35 on November 19, 2013, 06:12 PM
yeah I agree, having cast and/or crew makes for a better more insightful talking dead. I learned from a friend who runs a fan club for lauren/maggie she shared that they wrapped production last week so maybe we'll have cast and crew soon.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on November 19, 2013, 08:36 PM
Said someone next week is going to be on but they didn't specify on the show or taped interview.

It was clear, ALL questions went to the Gov., and Hardwick even had a clearly easier time just picking his brain on things he thinks The Gov. was thinking, feeling, etc.  And in turn he got answers that were great...  Like him being in a "basic survival" mode, walking till he died, thinking he saw Penny, even the name Brian (I missed or didn't connect why he chose that name)...  Not all the actors are all that insightful though either.

It amazes me how quickly a killed cast member goes to the convention circuit, btw.  A surprising number have been through Steel City Con.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt on November 19, 2013, 09:40 PM
Like him being in a "basic survival" mode, walking till he died, thinking he saw Penny, even the name Brian (I missed or didn't connect why he chose that name)... 

It was part of the graffiti on the building he was looking at in the opening moments of the episode.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on November 20, 2013, 12:15 AM
Yeah I didn't put it together though till he said in TD, that was where it came from...  Then again I didn't even think to ask, "Why Brian?" (Hardwick did) because I was just thinking it was something random he picked out of thin air to be creepy.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on November 20, 2013, 09:21 AM
Paul Scheer is one of the guests next week on TD I believe, and he is worth the price of admission alone. (Dr Andre Nowzik from The League for those unfamiliar with the name, also a star on that NCIS-SVU whatever thing on Comedy Central) he has also done a few one-off appearances on ESPN shows.

Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt on November 20, 2013, 09:40 AM
Yeah I didn't put it together though till he said in TD, that was where it came from...  Then again I didn't even think to ask, "Why Brian?" (Hardwick did) because I was just thinking it was something random he picked out of thin air to be creepy.

Oh, I'm sorry. I didn't watch Talking Dead so I thought you were asking for real.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on November 20, 2013, 04:25 PM
Yeah I was just citing it as an example...  Lot of insightful **** from The Governor on his character's full state of mind, during the episode...  It was a good hour this week...  Next, I'm not sold on yet unless they have a cast member available.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: CloneF13Y35 on November 24, 2013, 11:08 AM
Rumors are that the Gov will bring a very special piece of equipment seen in the comics in either this episode or the next one as the mid-season finale.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: GrandMoffNick on November 24, 2013, 11:16 PM
Have enjoyed the Governor's fake "rehabilitation" and then quick return to insanity. But seriously, he is going to lead another attack just with a new group on the prison. He should have died at the last one. Rick, Michone, Maggie, whoever better kill him next Sunday.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on November 25, 2013, 09:31 AM
Too slow, now too fast. I LOVED seeing the tank in the opening scene, because I was waiting on this from the comics. But you're gonna trust the guy to run that thing whose brother you just knifed in the back? Not so sure about that.

So much to talk about in this episode. I knew Martinez was in trouble with all those scripted lines. That's the kiss of death on this show. Glad we got some closure on the other lummox too. (Sounds like he got Tyreesed)

That other group they ran across sure seems to have gotten murdered in a hurry. Weird that it happened so fast, and no screams were heard with them being so close by. They probably won't revisit that but they should.

Phillip is all wrong on the prison thing though. They are not going to fare any better than Rick's group ultimately. Fresh water and the horde on the fences are always going to be issues. They'd be better off knocking off a shopping mall, school, etc. Plus isn't there more than one prison in the state of GA?

All I know is Tara must be loving life because what are the odds of finding another hot available lesbian chick after the apocalypse? She lucked out big time there.

Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BillCable on November 25, 2013, 10:09 AM
All I know is Tara must be loving life because what are the odds of finding another hot available lesbian chick after the apocalypse? She lucked out big time there.

For real.

I wasn't too happy when the "Army" guys said "Ooorah" - which is the Marine battle cry.   :P

The Governor's character makes absolutely no sense at this point.  He was a sociopath brought back from edge by the love of a family, which he becomes a sociopath to protect...   ::)

And instead of moving on he decides he has to have that prison.

It's all ridiculous.  And apparently because he's tall the entire new camp immediately accepts him as their new leader.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on November 25, 2013, 02:00 PM
Comic book logic. The Governor has resigned himself to the fact he IS the villain due to events and a psychotic mentality. We aren't even in "just doing what it takes to survive in this world" rationales anymore. The prison is not the only secure place in Georgia. Clearing walkers is safer than gun battles with other survivors.

Oh, yeah, two pretty lesbians discussing guns. If I hadn't watched Talking Dead, I'd have no idea they were.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on November 25, 2013, 05:01 PM
Almost forgot to mention the excellent casting last night: Enver Gjokaj from Dollhouse as the erstwhile Pete, and Kirk Acevedo from Fringe as Tank Boy Mitch. Good to see those guys again.

Fred Armisen is a little squirmy but Martinez was money on "TD". I expect at least one casualty from the mid-season finale to show up next week as a surprise guest too.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: CloneF13Y35 on November 25, 2013, 06:33 PM
hopefully the attack this time will actually be fun to watch since they have the tank.
next week's TD will have comic creator robert kirkman and fan fav - the lovely lauren cohan. Just hope that doesn't mean maggie dies (or that secret guest cast member isn't glen - steven yeun) who doesn't survive the attack due to being sick.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Sybeck1 on November 25, 2013, 09:03 PM
Almost forgot to mention the excellent casting last night: Enver Gjokaj from Dollhouse as the erstwhile Pete, and Kirk Acevedo from Fringe as Tank Boy Mitch. Good to see those guys again.

Fred Armisen is a little squirmy but Martinez was money on "TD". I expect at least one casualty from the mid-season finale to show up next week as a surprise guest too.

I think this will be the epidode where Herscel buys the farm
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on November 27, 2013, 02:04 AM
The S1 tank was an attempt to make a tank look like an Abrams...  I appreciated that.  This one, not so much.   :-\

Weird episode...  not their best work but was kind of interesting with all the "newness" of these various groups...

Talking Dead was again above par this week I felt.  Good guests having good discussion of what if's and what could be's.

I find his complete turn back to being the dick he was, and going after the prison again, sort of cheap...  I'm hopeful there's some twist here we've not yet been shown that may have to do with the fence feeder, or the slaughtered camp of people.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: name on November 27, 2013, 07:37 AM
What was with the mudpit zombies? Was that just the gov realizing that it was too zombified out there to put his new family in danger?

Also not sure what the point in the cabin full of heads was.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BillCable on November 27, 2013, 08:52 AM
What was with the mudpit zombies? Was that just the gov realizing that it was too zombified out there to put his new family in danger?

I think it was a no-way-out moment.

Also not sure what the point in the cabin full of heads was.

Reminding the Gov who he really is.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on November 27, 2013, 03:35 PM
I second both those...  The cabin with the guy with a zombie family he kept around was very parallel for old gov.  The mud zombies are you being stuck like them.  I think he realizes now he has a second chance with a family and wants more than ever to make it work but I think their being alive makes home more dangerous than he ever was.  He's Ricks opposite....  He's Shane if Shane had his own family to protect and broke off from rick.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: CloneF13Y35 on November 27, 2013, 07:28 PM
Hopefully they wrap up the Gov and prison parts with the mid-season finale by having the 'huge' fight they promised at the end of season 3; new comic characters are set to debut in the second half of the season so I hope that means rick and the gang abandon the prison and head towards the supposed safe zone in Arlington.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: CloneF13Y35 on December 1, 2013, 10:44 AM
Afterwards on Talking Dead tonight the guests will be creator Robert Kirkman, actress Lauren Cohan (my dream girl) who plays Maggie and a surprise guest star. I don't think Maggie will get killed off, my guess is whomever is the guest star will be the character who gets killed off. Could be hershel, sasha, bob the drunk medic, one of the two new women with the Gov, or unlikely Glenn.
The only people I 'think' are safe: Rick, Carl, Daryl, Tyreese or Michonne. But we'll just have to wait to see; AMC will run a season 4 marathon today leading up to the mid-season finale.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on December 1, 2013, 11:56 AM
Agreed on the mystery guest.

My current odds:

Judith 2:1
Mitch 3:1
Hershel 3:1
Hershel's other daughter who is NOT named Maggie 4:1
Crazy medic Bob 4:1
Maggie and/or Glenn 6:1
Phillip 10:1
Anyone else 20:1

I can't see them doing Sasha after Tyreese is still reeling from Karen's death, but who knows. She could be a good candidate too. At least Carol is safe. Not so sure about her girls though...

Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Tracy on December 1, 2013, 03:40 PM
Re:  Tyreese's reaction to the Carol situation:  I have been mulling this over for a while and after re-watching the season premier on the WD Marathon today I have come to this conclusion:  I am not convinced that Tyreese would/will react violently to Carol.  I think he will feel remorse that she was sent away and that the group could suffer from her banishment.  In the premier he couldn't stomach killing the walkers at the fence - and he didn't like the violence they encountered on the run.  I think he is more even-keeled than people are giving him credit for.  It will be interesting to see both Daryl and Tyreese's reaction to the news. 

On a side note - I hope Philip bites it tonight.  I never like his storyline............
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Angry Ewok on December 1, 2013, 08:25 PM
Watching the marathon now, catching up with this season. Work-n-stuff has kept me so busy, I haven't even had any of it spoiled for me!  :D
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Angry Ewok on December 1, 2013, 10:15 PM
So... I thought I was watching a re-run of the first prison battle.  :-\



Cool to see Hershel go Obi-Wan at the end, but once again the show ditches the moral center and best actor on the show. Governor's death was lame IMHO.


I have two copies of the Vol. 1 Compendium, I need to get around to reading that.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Diddly on December 1, 2013, 10:24 PM
I was satisfied with the mid-season finale, and I marked out pretty hard when Governor took the sword, and also during Daryl's shenanigans during the shootout. Sad to see Hershel go out though, and in one of the more gruesome deaths too.

Kind of a mediocre half-season though when you look at the big picture. Outside of these last 2/3 episodes and Carol getting the boot from Rick, I can't remember anything that happened.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: evenflow on December 1, 2013, 10:24 PM
I knew it wasn't going to happen but I was totally pulling for the massive swerve and the governor winning  >:D
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Morgbug on December 1, 2013, 10:41 PM
Ok, how stupid are the people with the governor? 

Think about this for a second.  Yes, you have a tank, that's majorly cool.  It's also extremely powerful.  And destructive.  Destructive?  Yes, destructive. 

What in the world is the point of shooting shells at the ******* prison walls?  Aren't you idiots going to live there and isn't a secure structure just a wee ******* bit more secure against the living dead than walls that are crumbling or in some cases no longer there because you took Mr. Boomboom and blew them up?  Morons.

Enjoyed the show, sad to see Hershel go.  Happy the governor is dead.  Happy most of the people now following him are dead because frankly they weren't very bright as a group.   ::)
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on December 1, 2013, 10:42 PM
Holy Crap!

What an amazing mid-season finale, so many things happened! I'm gonna have to post like 5 times just to recall everything.

Top 5 TV deaths ever! I agree it could have been a little more severe, I was screaming for decapitation, or at the very least ripped apart by walkers. I'll take it though, sayonara SOB!

Darryl drilling Mitch - awesome! (Grenade in the tank turret, also awesome)

Those girls saving Tyreese's ass, totally, totally awesome!

Overall, was a much better assault than the previous Woodbury effort, was more in line with what I was expecting. We even got the obligatory "Kill them all!" line. :)

Hard to sort out who ended up where, we definitely got Rick and Carl on the road at the end, and those peeps on the bus, including Glenn. Definitely need to watch the re-run.

{Hey, that 1971 M60 tank was used in Vietnam, thanks Talking Dead!}

Also liked: Rick's speech, and Hershel's smile at the end. Sad to see him go, I agree it is tough to keep losing the good actors and part of the core group at that. I guess Judith could be alive if someone with bloody hands had just grabbed her out of the car seat, didn't have to have been her blood.

The rodent dissection was very disturbing, definitely some escalating behavior going on there. And what WAS in Bob's secret shoe box? The booze or maybe something creepier?

Bring on Arlington!
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Angry Ewok on December 1, 2013, 11:03 PM
What in the world is the point of shooting shells at the ******* prison walls?  Aren't you idiots going to live there and isn't a secure structure just a wee ******* bit more secure against the living dead than walls that are crumbling or in some cases no longer there because you took Mr. Boomboom and blew them up?  Morons.

I said the same thing last season when ole derp dude was hammering all of the empty watchtowers with the grenade launcher. Wasn't too impressed with the tank just randomly shelling random walls... But I guess there are budget limitations.

Kudos to Governor. Raising two post-apocalyptic armies composed completely of baffoons takes some kind of luck.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Tracy on December 1, 2013, 11:08 PM
Too much to process right now - but - I see that Clara made an appearance......
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BrentS on December 1, 2013, 11:13 PM
I really liked this mid-season finale... Agree lots to process.

Too much to process right now - but - I see that Clara made an appearance......

Who was Clara?  I know they focused in a couple of walkers but I couldn't place any of them.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Tracy on December 1, 2013, 11:42 PM
The one walker with the long black hair and black overcoat - she was the lady from Ep 1 that Ruck met in the woods and who had her dear hubby's head in a sack.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt_Fury on December 2, 2013, 01:34 AM
So....what happened to Judith?

I think she's alive and with the folks on the bus.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Tracy on December 2, 2013, 06:27 AM
Same here. I would think that if a walker got her there would have been a lot more blood in the carseat. Even if she were alive - how would Rick find her?
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Chris M on December 2, 2013, 06:31 AM
I really enjoyed the episode last night, a lot.

I hated to see Herschel go, but when he was captured at the beginning I figured he'd be taking Tyreese's spot from the comic.  BTW, I just finished reading Compendium 1.  I'm waiting for C2 to show up in the mail. 

I figure everyone will meet up somewhere on the road, at least a few of the main characters will.  I don't see how they could just push Rick/Carl off on their own and still maintain the other characters who were able to bolt on the bus, or neglect to bring fan favorite Darryl back.

I was wondering a bit about the tank.  Like you guys have mentioned, why are they shooting holes in their potential home?  And second, why in the world did they have an M60?  Those haven't been used in service is more than 15 years. I know one guy was supposed to be NG and bolted with a tank, but in this era that would have been an M1.  Oh well, suspend belief.  I'm sure in the real world an Abrams would have been much harder to get on loan.  Also in the comic, the driver had spent months trying to figure out how to drive it and the main gun was never used.

All in all I liked the episode.  My wife only passively watches the show because I've got it on.  She and I are both in agreement the hardest part of the show, especially last night, is seeing the kids die.  Even if its just TV, as a parent it's a kick in the gut to watch that.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Sybeck1 on December 2, 2013, 08:54 AM
Judith's car seat was unbuckled, so you would think a walker could not unbuckle it. Who has her? Beth? Lilly? Is she on the bus? Are Darryl and Beth hooking up? Dad is gone to keep her away from the older bad boy. Seems like a meeting place would have been discussed for when they had to bug out. Need to watch this again for sure
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on December 2, 2013, 09:06 AM
Yep, good catch on Clara, I didn't realize that was her until they mentioned it on TD.

For all the talk about Phillip's posse, they actually acquitted themselves MUCH better than the first group. No one turned tail and ran when the bullets started flying, no one freaked out, they just kept coming, even after Phillip himself got iced. Other than the Mom I don't know if anyone was left on their side at the end. And for a bunch of people that had never seen any live combat they handled themselves pretty well, IMHO. Those two bearing down on Tyreese were all business.

I guess the gay daughter survived too? Will we ever see her again?
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BillCable on December 2, 2013, 09:19 AM
Did the Gov's GF's sister just sort of walk away?  I don't recall seeing anything happen to her.

I thought the episode was pretty fantastic.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jeff on December 2, 2013, 10:31 AM
On one hand, I liked the episode, but on the other it was kinda pointless. 

Mostly I agree with Brent.  You're there to take over the "safe" place to live, so the best course of action is to blow holes in the wall and crush the fence that barely keeps the zombies out as it is?  ???

I guess I just feel like most of this half season should have just been done at the end of last season.  Letting the governor survive the first prison encounter, only to bring him back with a new crew to get slaughtered again was really pointless.  Was the point of it just to say, "ha comic readers, it's different again!!!"
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Sybeck1 on December 2, 2013, 10:57 AM
I did not know grimey Clara was the blond chick from HBO's Rome.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Angry Ewok on December 2, 2013, 11:26 AM
I guess the gay daughter survived too?

wat? I don't remember any lesbian stuff?
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: CloneF13Y35 on December 2, 2013, 07:43 PM
While I was sad to see hershel get killed - and in such a gruesome manner, it was realistic that people in peril actually died. I thought the fight was great, what they teased at the end of S3 they finally delivered with the S4 mid-season ending.
Daryl is the MAN no doubt about it, dropping a grenade down the tank turret barrel then shooting the from Fringe in the heart with an arrow - guess he'll turn in to a walker now ;)
The fist fight between Rick and the Gov was brutal and the culmination of the verbal foreplay from last year. Just as Gov had Rick almost choked out, Michonne stabs him through the chest; leave it to new gf lily to put the bullet through his brainbox!
While watching the TD show, it was obvious how close the cast are as lauren fought back tears and Scott truely seemed dejected about being killed off.
But overall I was very satisfied with this mid-season finale.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on December 3, 2013, 03:24 AM
I enjoyed it...

Darryl seems to be on his own, but as near as I can tell...

-Glenn is on the bus with a bunch of random survivors.
-Maggie, Tyrese, Sasha (I think), and Maggie's sister, and Bob I believe, are together and maybe have a secondary way out (Maggie hinted at that maybe in TD).
-Darryl is, seemingly, on his own.
-Michonne is seemingly on her own as well, but she saved Rick only to dash off and not help him find Carl?  Weird.
-A prison "sniper" guy who was unnamed got capped.
-Rick and Carl are together.
-Gun totin' toddlers are off in their own weird little "feral child" pack.
-Judith is...  My theory...  With the mysterious psychopath.  Be it one of those random crazy kids, or an unseen character who was stalking the prison and is batshit crazy and now without a home as well.

-Lily and her dip**** sister are, theoretically, still alive.  Her sister is behind the tank within the prison itself when it is stopped, and she's having a bit of a meltdown.  She did follow them up to the prison itself though.  Her honey's toast of course, but she's around and never shown killed that I ever noticed.  Assuming she hooks up with her sister again and they keep surviving, I suppose it's possible they carry on as well, but what would the point be?  Both are beyond worthless.

Bob's box I assumed to be booze, but now...  eh, I dunno.  Didn't really think it was something weirder.

I LOVED the Irish chick making an appearance.  Love when they easter egg you.

On the Governor....  I kind of liked it, but in that it was an almost wholly separate and sad story...  The Governor arc we're shown to see how the world can completely **** a person up beyond belief, and what monsters can be made in this world, and that there's worse ones to come most likely.  He's a guy who almost made it back, but just couldn't quite get there.  Rick could...  Ying yang and all that crapola.  And it came to a head as they talked at the fence...  Rick came back.  That's why Herschell smiled that last smile.  He knew Rick was ok...  And if Rick's ok, he knows his daughters are far better off most likely (Nothing's perfect, but a collected and focused Rick is a better than one who just wants to farm peas).

On the other hand, we got to see where Rick could've gone...  Where the group, could've wound up under a Shane.  The Governor embodies giving up being a normal sane human being all together, and he just leaves a wake of chaos and death behind him.  He gets his new family killed more or less.  He kills good people so they don't interfere with him.  He gets a whole group of sheep to follow him and die trying to take out the prison...  He's a mess.

I felt like the whole arc of the Governor was showing us what NOT to do and that he was inevitably going to be toast because Rick does it right (for better or worse), and the Governor does it wrong (and it's always worse because he's such a ******bag he can't leave well enough alone).

Loved some of the deaths...

I enjoyed that Michonne gets to off the Governor, though part of me wanted Rick to do it because he's just my favorite.

I loved the tanker brother getting offed by Darryl...  He didn't get to see Martinez again, and part of me thinks he and Martinez would've worked well should they have met up with his group and brought them in.  Again, the Governor messes things up... 

BTW I guess the tanker in the comic is far different from this one because this one in the last episode said it's his tank, so I guess that's why he knows how to use it.

On the tank itself...  I agree, using it as it was being used, pretty dumb.  Then again, assuming the one guy commanding it was the only one who knew what to do, and whoever was inside loading, firing, and driving were just random dudes from the camp, I guess I can accept to that they'd just start opening up without much of a solid plan on where to shoot, or what to do, really.  It's the only thing I can think of that makes any sense...  You give civilians hardware like that and they'd just go goofy with it I guess.

I agree with Chris on NOT liking them using the M60...  I knew from even distant shots that it was a post WW2, pre-modern era tank...  Now, I don't profess to know what is available on an army armored base for someone to hop in, in a bad situation, and roll out with...

Could it be that the M60 was part of some surplus around the base?  How likely is that (Honestly, I have no clue)?  Could the apocalypse, and the US's military and armor spread around the globe, have prompted us to bring out some hardware from mothballs to try to suppress things going awry domestically?  And really, are they even available?  Or were they all sold off privately or to other countries? 

So the tank was slightly anti-climactic for me, ultimately.  They made the half-assed M1 in Season 1 so it surprises me they couldn't have come up with something similar for this.  Something not so obviously outdated at least.

Hershel goes out like a champ...  Seeing the tanker go down like a chump, plus the hot military lesbian take a shot to the head from a little kid, was kind of fun.  The Governor's death was a little quick for my liking though, with the put down.  I'd have preferred him being left to be eaten alive because he deserved that.

In general I really enjoyed the season so far...  The flu thing was slightly slow but I felt it picked up after that and went pretty well.

Talking Dead was definitely emotional for the people there, except Kirkman who clearly doesn't give a ****, which is kind of funny.  I'd have preferred a lot more of him chatting about the 2nd half, but from what was said, they didn't show much because it all will give stuff away.

A commercial showed quick snips from next half as well, and it showed pretty much all the mains.

Honestly I think Tanker Brother was maybe the most satisfying death because, well, what a friggin' ******* he was.  >:(
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Chris M on December 3, 2013, 06:42 AM
I just thought of this when I read Jesse's post...Bob and his box.

What if he's been the one feeding the rats to the walkers?  Bob was a medic and consequently probably had some interest in anatomy.  With that in mind, Tyrese found that one rat that had been cut and stretched out as if to be dissected.  It may be nothing at all, but it is just something that popped into my mind.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Diddly on December 3, 2013, 07:00 AM
Found this on the Walking Dead section of Reddit regarding who is alive/dead and who got split up with who:

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Confirmed deaths:

Governor, Herschel, Meghan (the little girl), Alisha (Tara's girlfriend), Mitch (the tank pilot), Julio (the prison's mechanic). Notably, Mitch's brain is not destroyed. Neither is Herschel's, though he is beheaded.

Escaped the prison:

Rick and Carl escape on foot. Rick has been shot, beaten, and strangled.

Glenn escapes on a bus full of redshirts. He is still sick, as are some of the others on his bus.

Last seen in the prison, planning to escape Tyreese with Lizzie and Mika. It's not clear whether he also grabbed Luke and Molly as those kids had run away a few seconds earlier. Important: Tyreese does not know Carol confessed (or was even suspected) as his girlfriend's killer. This is certainly an intentional plot point, given that he's now paired with her adopted kids.

Maggie, Sasha, and Bob. Sasha is still sick. Maggie is looking for Beth (who is looking for Judith) but stops to help when Bob is shot. He says it will be easy to fix, but Sasha says "not here."

Daryl and Beth. Beth wants to keep searching for Judith but Daryl says "We gotta go."

Last seen at the prison, presumed alive but plans not clear

Michonne saves Rick but then disappears without explanation after the battle is over.

Lily puts down the governor before he can turn.

Tara is running around somewhere in the prison. Alisha told her to go to a safe place and hide and Alisha would come get her (Alisha is dead now). Tara is presumably unaware that Lily is at the prison, and therefore may not know that Meghan is dead.

Presumed dead

Judith. Last seen with the kids, who are later seen without her. Her car seat is covered in blood, but it's possible someone (not Rick and Carl, and presumably not Daryl and Beth) grabbed her.

Presumed alive, not in this episode

Carol. Morgan.

Presumed dead, but questions remain

Sam, the boyfriend of the girl with the bum leg who Rick and Carol found.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on December 3, 2013, 04:02 PM
Totally forgot Beth ran off from Maggoe and wound up with Daryl and that Tyrese is chasing children around haha.

I wonder if Morgan will turn back up?  Or lily and her sis?  Or the two kids who ran away from Tyrese.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BrentS on December 3, 2013, 04:07 PM
I suspect it will probably take a couple episodes into the spring season before the group finds themselves together again.   Sory of like when the scattered after the farm burned down.   Some part of the group will probably meet the new characters being introduced too (Abraham ? I think that was his name) before the group is reunited.

I hope they aren't split for too long though as I don't like the disjointed series of skipping whole character groups for entire episodes like was common with Woodbury last year and the Govenor episodes this year.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jedi Idej on December 3, 2013, 04:22 PM
Lily's become a bad-ass. Hope she returns.

Tyrese, so far, is pitiful. Stayed away from the comics so I don't know how the 2 versions compare.

All the Gov's minions deserved to die. Mitch made a really good a-hole and whose death was really fist-pump and high-five inducing.

Little Lizzie isn't as "weak" as her kid sister claimed she was. Damn, center of the forehead. No hesitation.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on December 3, 2013, 04:22 PM
It's compelling to the show runners though because it's much easier to keep the costs down when you only have to pay a handful of the "name" actors each episode. I'm sure that's a big reason why they do it. I agree that the ensemble episodes are more enjoyable, but sadly I think it's a moot point when the decisions are driven by economics rather than storytelling.

Psyched for Abraham!
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BrentS on December 3, 2013, 05:00 PM
It's compelling to the show runners though because it's much easier to keep the costs down when you only have to pay a handful of the "name" actors each episode.

I hadn't thought of that angle... that is a shame if that drives the story.  But it does make sense.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: CloneF13Y35 on December 3, 2013, 10:24 PM
also makes sense why the up and coming stars may get killed sooner or later - their salary demands are go up and they'll become too expensive.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Qui-Gon Jim on December 4, 2013, 12:31 PM
I think that plays into it, but one of the major tenets of the comic is that no one is safe.  If your name isn't Rick, your number could be pulled any time.

I was really ripped up when I saw Judith's car seat.  I think that Bob is the dissector and I think he has Judith, but it is possible that Judith is gone.  It is about a TV friendly an end that an infant can get without going over a line.  It would certainly be less... less than her demise in the comic.

I'm not one that normally talks to the TV (aside from a good baseball or football game), but I found myself involuntarily telling Rick to rip the bastard's head off when he was fighting The Guv.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: jedipurge on December 4, 2013, 01:56 PM
to me the whole disection of rat tells us that the rat man is Bob. who else besides Hershell, or the of Dr. that died from flu would be dissecting things. and besides his own admission of being with 2 other groups that have perished (except himself) possibly those other groups also died because of his feeding rats to zombies. the only question then is why. cuz he would also be at risk if zombies raid the encampments.

there were some hints both in the show and on TD about it playing out with Beth and Daryl, maybe not a relationship but there being something between them. think back to when Daryl broke the news to Beth about her BF dying in the Big Lots. And now the 2 of them run off together.

I would think that after the whole farm thing and how that played out, and after the Govners first invasion there would be a backup/bug out plan and where to go if things go really bad again. after all there was 6 months of relative peace for them to start thinking/planning for such. and the walkers had already broken thru the fences once before, so it wouldn't take a Govners invasion force to make them lose the prison.

i think Carol will find girls and Tyreese. and carol/tyreese will make nice n settle their differences.
Judith is with them, and because of carol taking care of the judith it will force rick to let her back in with the group when they all meet up again. 

someone is going to meet up with whatever group killed the other group that had those supplies that was shown in the Govner arc.

And i agree with Jesse the military girl Tara's GF is hot
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on December 4, 2013, 02:05 PM
The only think about Bob having Judith...  How?  He was out fighting and got shot and drug off by Maggie and Sasha...  He had no time.  If Judith is alive and with someone I can't help but feel there is an unknown element involved.  Serial killers throughout history have been known to have a curiosity and experiment on animals...  I lean to just a new unknown threat not Bob...  But that's me.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Mikey D on December 4, 2013, 02:47 PM
I thought it was pretty obvious that all signs point to Lizzie as being the one to kill Tyrese's girl and the other dude, not Carol and her being the one feeding the rats and doing any dissecting.  The naming of the zombies, the playing in the pool of blood with her foot after someone died from the virus a few episodes back, her leading the infected zombie away almost like a dog (here boy, come here boy), the small handprint Rick found and as seen last episode, she's one hell of a ******* shot.

That girl has future serial killer written all over her.  She'd be perfect for Carl.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BillCable on December 4, 2013, 02:52 PM
Lizzie is too small to drag adult bodies...
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on December 4, 2013, 03:03 PM
Carol helped and took the blame?  Might explain a lot more of her reasoning for wanting to take the girls with her and out of the relative safety of the prison...  She was awful eager and Rick shot it down immediately.

I've really felt she's a far more likely suspect than Bob...  Bob I think is just f'd up with guilt.  He was mega guilty about Zach but then would lure zombies into the prison?  That doesn't jive at all.

I can see Carol being involved but it being a lot more complex than just Carol killed them.  It'd make sense, but I'm not so sure the girl is who's luring zombies to the fence and stuff.  I dunno.  I lean to an unknown source...  Remember someone watching Carol outside the fence?  I believe that's who was outside being "stalked" and they've NEVER gone back to that, that I can recall.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BillCable on December 4, 2013, 03:08 PM
I don't think feeding rats was "luring" zombies... not like those crowds piled up because of a couple dead rats.  Stuff like gunfire attracts them, not meat that's 100 yards from the treeline.  Lizzie is a great guess as to who was feeding them rats, but I don't think whoever was feeding them was trying to bring down the prison.  They just like to watch rats get munched on.  Or give zombies names and feed them...

And I'm guessing the baby is dead, and it was handled somewhat tastefully.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on December 4, 2013, 03:49 PM
I don't recall the rat feeder but do we see their hands?  I can't recall now that it's been so long.

They've said on the show the traps in the woods are to keep the zombies from the fence, so I think it's plausible the blood could lure the zombies there if it can lure them away...  I don't think that's a big deal.

but I think Lizzie's a good candidate...  I rule Bob out at this point personally, and I'd say Lizzie or unnamed Carol Stalker from some time ago...  I think this show needs a major twist though, and someone totally unseen to this point who stalked the group would be interesting.  They've said there's far worse than the Governor in the world...  I'm interested in seeing what that is, and this could be it.

Is Hershel's head just laying there biting now?
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Greg on December 4, 2013, 04:14 PM
Sunday's episode was very good. It was awesome to finally get the prison battle on TV. I think it would have been better suited as the finale to Season 3 when the Governor's people actually had a valid reason to attack. The Governor's story was probably too rushed and under-developed, but that's better than a season-long retread of S3.

I loved the fight between Rick and the Governor, and the end for that villain was very satisfying. I had a feeling Hershel's death was coming, but it was still painful. Daryl being a badass is always fun. I'm glad the tank made it into the show, but randomly shooting buildings at the prison was stupid. The closing scene of Rick and Carl fleeing the prison was perfect.

Carol helped and took the blame?  Might explain a lot more of her reasoning for wanting to take the girls with her and out of the relative safety of the prison...  She was awful eager and Rick shot it down immediately.

I've really felt she's a far more likely suspect than Bob...  Bob I think is just f'd up with guilt.  He was mega guilty about Zach but then would lure zombies into the prison?  That doesn't jive at all.

I can see Carol being involved but it being a lot more complex than just Carol killed them.  It'd make sense, but I'm not so sure the girl is who's luring zombies to the fence and stuff.  I dunno.  I lean to an unknown source...  Remember someone watching Carol outside the fence?  I believe that's who was outside being "stalked" and they've NEVER gone back to that, that I can recall.

I'm pretty sure the guy watching Carol during last season was meant to be Andrew, the prisoner who caused all the trouble leading to Lori's death. Bob seems pretty straight-up (aside from the drinking problem), so I'm ruling him out as the killer and rat feeder. I expected him to have ties with the Governor due to the character's comic origin, but that didn't pan out. I'm leaning towards Lizzie as the killer and rat feeder. There are clues like her naming of walkers and playing in Glenn's blood, plus the comic had an interesting arc involving a psycho child which I could see the TV show wanting to adapt.

Also, just something regarding baby Judith...

(http://i.imgur.com/0cT8KmW.gif)

Is it me, or does it look like Tyrese could be cradling something in his arms?
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on December 4, 2013, 04:32 PM
I didn't think that guy ever got out of the prison though...  He was in a courtyard with zombies...  Was there just a fence for him to climb?  I can't remember.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Greg on December 4, 2013, 04:39 PM
I didn't think that guy ever got out of the prison though...  He was in a courtyard with zombies...  Was there just a fence for him to climb?  I can't remember.

I'm guessing there had to have been a fence or open gate or something enabling him to escape from that courtyard. At the beginning of the episode where Lori died Andrew was shown dragging a dead deer into the prison to lure zombies in, so he definitely made it out.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on December 4, 2013, 08:45 PM
Ah ok, yeah then that negates that (at least for the most part).
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Mikey D on December 5, 2013, 08:31 AM
Carol helped and took the blame?


Yep. Lizzie did the killing, Carol stumbles upon it and decides to help and take the blame.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Tracy on December 5, 2013, 04:11 PM
I'm with Mikey on this one. I never thought Carol did it - I always thought that it had something to do with Lizzie. It was just too cut and dry for it to be Carol - I think that's the reason she didn't put up much of a fight with Rick. She needed him to believe she did it - not Lizzie.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on December 5, 2013, 04:39 PM
Makes sense...  Fits...  I wish they'd branch out a little more, but eh, whatever.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Diddly on December 5, 2013, 11:11 PM
They've said there's far worse than the Governor in the world...  I'm interested in seeing what that is, and this could be it.

Right now in the comics they're dealing with a guy named Negan who carries around a baseball bat wrapped in barbed wire that he calls Lucille. He's offed a number of main characters from the show, and I'm guessing the TV show will go in that direction.

They'd have to censor him up a lot for TV, but yeah, just as bad as the Governor.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt_Fury on December 6, 2013, 01:36 AM
I'm with Mikey on this one. I never thought Carol did it - I always thought that it had something to do with Lizzie. It was just too cut and dry for it to be Carol - I think that's the reason she didn't put up much of a fight with Rick. She needed him to believe she did it - not Lizzie.

I don't want to say too much, but there could be a comic tie-in here.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jeff on December 6, 2013, 10:47 AM
Yeah, not to get into comic book spoilers too much, but I can't really tell what the plan is for Lizzie.  I thought she was going to take over the role of "comic book Sophia" since they killed "TV show Sophia", but now that you guys bring it up I guess they could be setting her up for the "comic book Ben" role instead.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: CloneF13Y35 on December 7, 2013, 11:36 AM
I re-watched the finale again last night on the typical friday nite re-broadcast AMC has done. I tried to watch for some of the little things people have mentioned that I missed like Tyreese telling the girls - Lizzie and her friends they need to go and see him running looking like he was carrying something/someone so I can buy that he saved Judith.
I also noticed zombie clara from the woods this time at the end, that was a nice nod to the season premier.
I liked the brief exchange between daryl and bob when daryl starts to hand out the weapons, he goes 'you good?' and bob says he is as daryl gives him a gun.
I liked how he got Maggie's attention by tapping her azz with the gun as he walked up behind her (probably fantasy of many guys tapping her on the butt lol).
During the fire fight, the once baddazz acting Tara was cowering behind a vehicle as her gf Alicia tells her to find a safe  place, only to popped by crazy Lizzie at the end. So it looks like both sisters, Tara and Lily survive especially after Lily kills the Gov.
So with the prison group all split up in smaller groups and on the run in different directions, it opens up a lot of new story lines they can pursue for the back half of the season.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Chris M on December 7, 2013, 04:59 PM
Totally unrelated to the recent series of events, I stumbled across the video below on youtube.  Some of you may or may not have seen it, but I can't help but laugh my butt off every time I see it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jR4lLJu_-wE
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: JediJman on December 10, 2013, 12:14 AM
Totally unrelated to the recent series of events, I stumbled across the video below on youtube.  Some of you may or may not have seen it, but I can't help but laugh my butt off every time I see it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jR4lLJu_-wE

That's hilarious!  The part at the end with the singing Governor had me rolling on the floor.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: CloneF13Y35 on December 15, 2013, 11:30 AM
until we start to get any solid tips on the back half of season 4, anything is possible. I've read through the comics and even if the show deviates enough to keep it fresh and interesting, the biggest complaint about the series it evident - the group goes somewhere, fights off walkers, fights off other people, some people get hurt/killed and they're forced to keep running. In recent  issues they finally made it to a safe haven in Va (wonders if production will move eventhough it's not necessary). But as long as they try to keep the stories and characters interesting while avoiding getting stuck in a rut, it'll keep most of us entertained!
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: JediJman on December 16, 2013, 12:02 PM
I don't get the complaint about the pattern of the show being 1) hold up somewhere 2) Fight Walkers/other people 3.) Forced to move on.  Not targeting you specifically, but I have heard a few people complain about this and I don't really get it.  For starters, they haven't even really been following this pattern since the main group has been at the prison for over a season now.  I find it more boring when they hold up somewhere for long periods - keep them on the run!  There are literally millions and millions of undead and everyone still around is fighting for increasingly scarce resources.  No where is really safe for long - if it was, then it would be stupid that all these other places were overrun.  If the survivors found someplace safe to live forever, then what's interesting or scary about that?  I don't know about others, but I'm sick of the prison at this point and glad they are actually moving on.  I feel like people are complaining that the cast is always running from zombies - that's the show people! 

Honestly, I think they're doing an incredible job of keeping it fresh.  Introducing new characters here and there, fighting off a variety of dangers (the flu? awesome idea), shifting alliances and relationships.  This last run with the group all getting separated from the prison is one of the greatest chapters from the books and I loved seeing it in the show.  What the hell is everyone going to do now that they're on their own with the protection of the gates or each other?  In the book, this is the end of the council and the return of a more determined, kick-butt Rick.  There are lots of other interesting survivors to run into and places to investigate. What happens when the food runs out?  What are they going to do about bullets long term?  Who will they run into next?  Who can they trust?    I'm homesick for the back half of the season already!
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on December 16, 2013, 03:20 PM
I think the pattern basically makes sense...  The Prison was safe, to an extent, but clearly was under siege with the fences coming down, and around back it has the hole in the wall...  It wasn't perfect by any means, and very little is, or could be perfect...  Woodburry was a sign of what fortifications needed to be, but civilization (or lack thereof) prevent things like that from working unless you have TREMENDOUS manpower and firepower.

I think the pattern basically makes sense...  Humans will look for sanctuary and safety.  The "on the road constantly" thing wasn't working, so they instinctively look for a home to set up shop...  Others will always want what you have though.  Islands would be ideal really, but what are the odds you can pull things like that off?
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: P-Siddy on December 16, 2013, 04:05 PM
I also think the pattern or 'cycle' makes sense.  You're on the run and after awhile, you get tired and just want a place to rest and call 'home'... or maybe want to capitalize on a stockpile of food that you wouldn't have footin' it.  Of course, settling in can cause a person's judgment to lapse and make themselves prone to attack.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on December 16, 2013, 07:06 PM
Every human being left alive should be slowly making their way north anyway. Let winter neutralize the walker threat. If there's one thing I learned from WWZ, it's zack don't do cold.

I think the key to survival is very simple - you just have to stay hidden from everyone else. Period. If no one can find you/get at you, that's half the battle right there. Then you just solve the food problem and hunker down. (I know, gross oversimplification)
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: CloneF13Y35 on December 16, 2013, 07:48 PM
Don't get me wrong - I'm not one of those people who hates the show (any show) and complains about it but still watches it. I really dig the show and have written my own zombie apocalypse stories because of TWD. I guess I was more wondering out loud how the show will go with the various possible story lines. I'm interested in the potential Rick/Carl story lines since my teenage son and I watch it together. Plus the young romance between Maggie and Glen (but mostly due to  my crush on actress Lauren Cohan lol). What IF she gets preggers - is that really wise, can any woman safely carry a baby to term with severely limited supplies and medical aid etc. ?
I do think the threat of the original crop of walkers should be diminished due to them completely dying off. But with a continue source of newly walking dead for various reasons, that threat will never go away. But it's the other living people who are more of a serious threat.
So I'm very excited about what comes next with the show.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: P-Siddy on December 16, 2013, 08:07 PM
Every human being left alive should be slowly making their way north anyway. Let winter neutralize the walker threat. If there's one thing I learned from WWZ, it's zack don't do cold.

I'd rather off myself than deal with the cold/snow/perpetual winter and gloomy skies. 
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on December 16, 2013, 10:01 PM
Being from Pittsburgh, I'm already living that, so yeah, I'm a survivor. :P
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Morgbug on December 16, 2013, 10:32 PM
Being from Pittsburgh, I'm already living that, so yeah, I'm a survivor. :P

Seriously?  Have you ever even had pemmican. 

******' *****.


 :-*
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on December 16, 2013, 11:22 PM
During the apocalypse, we'll do ever increasing pemmican trading.  Our ****** weather shall protect us.  You have an advantage of seeing the zombies coming 3 days before they get to you though too...  That's good planning.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: JediJman on December 17, 2013, 12:06 AM
Minnesota has its fair share of snow & cold.  Given the choice, I'd rather be dodging zombies in Florida than hunkered down in the middle of winter with no power.  Even beyond the cold, its only light here for what, 7-8 hours at the onset of winter?  I'd much rather be on the run.  What they really need to do is just start digging a massive trench and mark off a big chunk of land to rebuild in.  That'd work a lot better than fences...well, until there's a flood I suppose. 
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BillCable on December 17, 2013, 08:10 AM
During the apocalypse, we'll do ever increasing pemmican trading.  Our ****** weather shall protect us. 

And the rivers!  Never forget the rivers.  Just gotta put up a wall from Duquesne to the Strip and we're golden.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on December 17, 2013, 02:24 PM
Start getting buses to overturn and some excavators.  I call dibs on the courthouse.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BrentS on January 6, 2014, 05:55 PM
So I'm thinking about starting to read the graphic novel series. I was pursuing the iTunes book store no saw that they have the compendiums as eBooks. One of the things that didn't appeal to me about the graphic novels was the size to store then all. The iTunes version solves that issue!  I downloaded the sample (first 80 pages or so) and it seems like a good way to read these.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Chris M on January 6, 2014, 08:16 PM
Brent I've got a copy of compendium 1 that I'm about to sell if you're interested.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt_Fury on January 7, 2014, 02:11 AM
I have up to issue 115 on my hard drive.  PM me if you'd like me to burn it to a cd for you.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BrentS on January 10, 2014, 05:03 PM
So I downloaded the Compendium Vol 1 on iTunes over the weekend and I've been reading through it.   I'm taking my time and reading the equivalent of a couple issues each day - I'm somewhere around 250 pages (out of the 1000) through the first compendia The one thing that has really surprised me so far was the general "pace" of the stories.  If feels like they are rushing through things very quickly compared to the "plodding" that seems to happen on the TV series.   So far at least, I find the TV series much more compelling.  I just don't feel like I'm able to feel the aingst of the characters in the books (at least so far).   I'm also shocked at some of the abruptness of the characters (again compared to the television interpretations), especially in the parts around the groups introduction to the farm and Hershel and his family.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: CloneF13Y35 on January 11, 2014, 11:03 AM
yeah that is one thing about the comic series vs the tv series I wish they'd find a happy medium. THe TV series can seem rushed at times while the comics seem to take forever, like some of the LotR movies ;)
But so far with season 4 half way done, I think the pace was much more even than the past two seasons.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt on February 8, 2014, 10:44 AM
New episode tomorrow night, but it's available right now for free on Xbox Video. Just watched it on my 360.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BillCable on February 8, 2014, 10:52 AM
How'd you like the way they killed off Daryl?  Gruesome!





(j/k... I don't own an xbox)
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt on February 8, 2014, 12:35 PM
There's no Daryl in this episode, but there is pudding.

Lots of pudding.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: CloneF13Y35 on February 9, 2014, 12:22 PM
I read that was a MAJOR spoiler by showing tonight's NEW 4.9 episode on xbox yesterday so of course I read a few spoilers about it!
Sounds like it'll be a 'killer' episode!
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on February 9, 2014, 03:31 PM
I'm ready!

As long as we get some quality time with Daryll, Beth, Maggie, Glenn, and Tyreese, I'll be happy.

And hoping Carl will be patient and sympathetic with Rick after getting brutalized by the late Gov.


 ;D
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Tracy on February 9, 2014, 10:23 PM
I'm ready!

As long as we get some quality time with Daryll, Beth, Maggie, Glenn, and Tyreese, I'll be happy.

And hoping Carl will be patient and sympathetic with Rick after getting brutalized by the late Gov.


 ;D

So........I'm thinking you are 1) not happy; and 2) disappointed in Carl.   ;)
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on February 9, 2014, 10:52 PM
Lolz

Turned into basically a Carl's Personal Growth episode...

That shot on the roof?  Meme-errific.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on February 10, 2014, 09:42 AM
So........I'm thinking you are 1) not happy; and 2) disappointed in Carl.   ;)

LOL, yeah, they kinda went the other way, didn't they?

It was still terrific I thought, I'm fine with the other characters getting their spotlight next week. I just wonder how they will rotate through the various storylines for the rest of this season.

Carl was pretty frustrating most of the episode, but I think everything ended up in a good place by the end. Rick gave him his due calling him a man, and Carl realized he's not quite the ultimate bad-ass he thought himself to be and maybe his dad is worth something to him after all. I guess the zombie apocalypse doesn't preclude teenagers from acting like, well, teenagers.

Still think it was super-crappy thing to throw Shane in Rick's face like that though. Ouch.

Loved the Michonne stuff, although it was a little less obvious what was going on with her. Nice to see the pre-Walker pets. Great mini-herd slaughterama too. Glad she got the happy ending she deserved there at the close.

TD was excellent with Greg Nicotero and Danai. I'm a little worried about next week though: surprise cast member guest? Uh-oh. Don't die yet, Beth!!!  :-X
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Tracy on February 10, 2014, 10:55 AM
Michonne needs to keep Carl on a leash.......... ::)
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: JediJman on February 10, 2014, 01:21 PM
That was one of my least favorite episodes yet.  Great for Carl to get schooled and mature a little by the end, and I liked the suspense of what has happened to Rick up to the end.  But the Michonne part of the story was ridiculous.  How does she just walk along, bare armed with hoardes of zombies and they can't sense her?  I assumed she did that before at some distance - it's not like zombies following someone makes other zombies uninterested.  Case in point, in the exact same episode there's a third zombie coming for Carl.  If she had some zombie guts on her or was a little further away I could see it, but they way overplayed the zombie-pet card. 

And how are the two zombies she's walking so domesticated already?  I thought her first two eventually settled down after a long period of time, but these guys just automatically stop going after her because they have no teeth or arms?  Hunh?  Do the zombies "realize" they can't hurt her and are therefore thinking at some level?  The two actors playing those zombies were ridiculously bad as well.  They just stroll along like they're walking through the mall.  Almost every other zombie is staggering, limping...at least some hint of disablement and base instinct.  These two guys looked like they were just out for a nice walk around the neighborhood.

Super sloppy writing and acting, and unacceptable give it's a mid-season premiere.  I'm going to be hugely disappointed if they continue to half-ass this going forward.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: GrandMoffNick on February 10, 2014, 01:52 PM
I struggle with the "pet" zombie thing too. I understood that her first pets took some time to be docile and that they made it so zombies were less attracted to her. I didn't think the instant you chopped limbs and jaws off that they became totally docile and you could walk around without a care. Why would walking with them on ropes be any different that just walking with two zombies and that wouldn't stop others.

Having said that, I really liked what was going on with Michone and watching her going back to her old ways and then realizing she wanted to be with people she cared about again.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on February 10, 2014, 08:58 PM
I didn't mind their lack of over-zombification, as it were, since they are fairly recent kills...  Perhaps they're a little more spry, and mobile?  Not sure on the time it took them to mellow out...  I couldn't really see them enough to know how mellow or not they are, I guess.

I thought it was neat she took Governor guys as her new pets as a dig though.

She also walked the old pets right past other zombies, with Andrea, and they weren't gut covered, so the precedent is there I guess, and it just didn't bug me much.

I liked the note about the big guy in the biker bar...  Someone cared about him and Carl was just disgusted they couldn't do it.  Kind of funny then when he can't (thankfully) put his father down.

Totally agree with you Tracy...  He needs a hand other than his dad's, and Michonne is that hand.  She's the person he's going to become more like...  He really needs to, to survive.  His Dad can't teach him that kind of stuff.  Really though everyone could add something to him being the most well-rounded, survivable person in the zombie apocalypse.  All the main group's best characteristics put into one sort of a Super Zombie Survivor.  :P  A Rick/Shane/Michonne/Darryl/Herschell/Glenn ball of badassery.  Jack of All Trades, and a master of them all as well.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Morgbug on February 10, 2014, 10:18 PM


Totally agree with you Tracy...  He needs a hand other than his dad's, and Michonne is that hand.  She's the person he's going to become more like...  He really needs to, to survive.  His Dad can't teach him that kind of stuff. 

I think the producers pretty much stated that's her role for Carl when Rick sits down on the couch and says "it's for you". 
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on February 10, 2014, 11:35 PM
I figured it was definitely a good tie-in overall...

Rick needs her as much as Carl needs her, and she needs them...  Sadly, they're like a family just as a trio.  That never ends well.  :-\
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Diddly on February 11, 2014, 01:04 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/MVuUhr3.gif)
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Tracy on February 11, 2014, 12:48 PM
My first reaction when I saw him do that was "Did he even try the doorknob?". 
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on February 11, 2014, 06:00 PM
I thought the next shot was him turning it and it just creeked open...  I really thought they'd go the humor route. 

BTW where was he that he learned you can shoulder doors open like in movies? :P  I don't think they've been doing it that way all along.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: CloneF13Y35 on February 11, 2014, 07:28 PM
I was very satisfied with a bit of good character development and story telling.  With the group now separated into several smaller groups of two or three, I hope it'll make for some interesting stories and character arcs as the season but they really do need to kill off two or three prominent characters to keep it realistic.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on February 11, 2014, 08:24 PM
I think that too sometimes, then I think the longer you survive the longer you're likely to survive...  It's like fighter pilots in WW2.  As Germany or Japan were throwing men into the air quickly their rates of survival plummeted (poor choice of words?) with their lack of experience.  Even inferior planes could outperform the Zero because the man at the stick was seasoned while the Japanese pilot was young and made costly mistakes.

I think similar things would happen with the group here where say Glenn "grew some hair on his balls" after that winter out in the wild, and is a more seasoned killer/survivor...  Some people have obvious handicaps to that, like someone missing a limb, or they've been relatively protected from the dirty work (beth), so they still would possibly make worse decisions or are forced into bad situations.  People like Rick, or Glenn, or Tyrese could really survive a LONG time though just based on their experiences I'd think.  I'd find it believable anyway. 

They're gonna need more fodder here. :)
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Qui-Gon Jim on February 11, 2014, 09:44 PM
I saw a clip or read a story with the producers, and things sound grim for Judith. They wore or less said that there are limits to what they could show. I will try to dig it up.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt_Fury on February 11, 2014, 11:58 PM
Michonne's dream sequence was epic!  That added so much depth to her character that just is not in the comics!

I really want to learn more about her kid.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on February 12, 2014, 12:00 AM
I wanna learn about where she was, what she was doing...  I know one guy's her BF, and that's one of her pets, but isn't the other guy her brother and he was the other pet?  Or am I wrong on that?
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Diddly on February 12, 2014, 12:04 AM
I thought other than the Michonne dream along with Carl breaking down when he couldn't kill Rick, it was a bit of a stinker. I'm sure we have a few more of these episodes coming up focusing on all of the different groups. They must have blown their budget on the mid-season finale.

I'm guessing at least some of these guys are going to meet back up again at some point?
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: JesseVader08 on February 12, 2014, 03:56 AM
I guess the zombie apocalypse doesn't preclude teenagers from acting like, well, teenagers.

Well said!  As frustrating as he was for much of the episode, I thought it added a lot to his character.  He's learned a hell of a lot over the seasons, but he's still a teenager regardless of the setting.

I really enjoyed seeing some of Michonne's background too, I really hope she is around for a very long time so we can see more.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: JediJman on February 12, 2014, 03:40 PM
I wanna learn about where she was, what she was doing...  I know one guy's her BF, and that's one of her pets, but isn't the other guy her brother and he was the other pet?  Or am I wrong on that?

Mike is her boyfriend, Terry is a friend of Mike's.  She did have a brother, but not sure if they ever cover him.  I think Rick had a brother as well.

That added so much depth to her character that just is not in the comics!

Looks like you guys should check out The Walking Dead Specials (http://walkingdead.wikia.com/wiki/The_Walking_Dead_Specials).  Per the wiki on Michonne (covered in her special):

"Michonne was one of four children that included a brother and two sisters. She practiced fencing when she was a child, and briefly picked the hobby up again when she was in college to study law. After graduating and getting her degree, she became a successful attorney and married a man with whom she had two daughters. They lived an average middle-class life in a suburban neighborhood, and often dealt with a troublesome teenager next door who she swore had once killed their cat and destroyed their fence with his katana. She spent much of her free time weightlifting and avidly following televised football.

She eventually divorced her husband and at some point started dating another man named Mike. She was out of town when the outbreak began, she lost contact with her two daughters whom she had left in the care of a nanny, she does not know their whereabouts.

The story begins with Michonne running towards home, the street full of zombies. Michonne gets home and finds her boyfriend, Mike and his best friend, Terry. When Michonne enters, a zombie attempts to follow, and in the process of killing it, Mike gets bitten. At that time, Michonne bandages Mike, unaware that he has become infected. That night, Michonne searches the neighbor's house for supplies, finding her trademark sword. She becomes pinned down in the house during the night and returns home the next day, finding that Mike and Terry have become zombies. She survives their attack and manages to lock them away. Her noisy encounter with them causes her street to become overrun, and she becomes trapped and runs out of food. Then, noticing that the zombies don't attack one another, she hacks off the arms and lower jaws of Mike and Terry, and chains them up to use them as escorts for an escape."
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: jedipurge on February 12, 2014, 07:06 PM
just wanted to share lil experience with y'all. i had watched it earlier in the day then watched it again w/my wife n kid on dvr and totally had both of them going that Carl was going to get bit when zombie had him by the boot. awwwww  ;)  had to keep it together not to laugh but needless to say i got smacked on the leg a couple times for getting them all scared about it.

anyway episode was kinda what was expected nothing dramatic was really going to happen although i thot we'd see more of rest of grp or at least a hint. so i guess the disappointment was really that there wasn't too much to expect. and probably nothing really for rest of the season if there is only like 7 more to go, it'll mostly be about who survived and how/if they meet up. the only thing i can think that'll be climactic/dramatic is confirmation of Judith death, finding Carol alive and well and her rejoining grp. after hershel death i don't think we'll see anymore major cast member deaths.

oh ya also didn't think we'd see zombie hershel head even though i knew it'd have to be there in the field somewhere didn't think we'd see cuz of the way the grp scattered. i figured head would suffer eternity of snapping jaw at nothing.

Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt on February 12, 2014, 07:41 PM
The show had an opportunity to get super-interesting with Carl shooting Zombie Rick, but, as usual, they blew it.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: GrandMoffNick on February 12, 2014, 07:45 PM
The show had an opportunity to get super-interesting with Carl shooting Zombie Rick, but, as usual, they blew it.

3 1/2 seasons into a show that "blows it as usual"? I don't get it
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt_Fury on February 13, 2014, 12:27 AM
anyway episode was kinda what was expected nothing dramatic was really going to happen although i thot we'd see more of rest of grp or at least a hint. so i guess the disappointment was really that there wasn't too much to expect. and probably nothing really for rest of the season if there is only like 7 more to go, it'll mostly be about who survived and how/if they meet up. the only thing i can think that'll be climactic/dramatic is confirmation of Judith death, finding Carol alive and well and her rejoining grp. after hershel death i don't think we'll see anymore major cast member deaths.

I forgot to mention that Conan had a TWD episode last week with all the major characters (except Andrew Lincoln who was sick and could not attend).  The girl who plays Carol was there....I knew we'd be seeing her again.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on February 13, 2014, 01:55 AM
You could kinda tell by how they talked on TD last year they were expecting a Carol return and I'm glad because her cast-off was dejecting...  She'll be back a more deep character too, I think.  And adds to Darryl.

I wonder if we'll see Morgan again.  I'd go if for nothing else than the relative protection and to pick up some more hardware.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Mikey D on February 13, 2014, 08:54 AM
The show had an opportunity to get super-interesting with Carl shooting Zombie Rick, but, as usual, they blew it.

3 1/2 seasons into a show that "blows it as usual"? I don't get it

I get this show is must see TV to the masses, hell I watch it every week too, so I'm part of the masses.  But shoddy and inconsistent writing along with dumb characters makes it pale in comparison to shows like Breaking Bad, Game of Thrones, Justified and True Detective (now there's a show that should be talked about more.  The last six minutes of last weeks episode was ******* nuts).
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: GrandMoffNick on February 13, 2014, 09:41 AM
The show had an opportunity to get super-interesting with Carl shooting Zombie Rick, but, as usual, they blew it.

3 1/2 seasons into a show that "blows it as usual"? I don't get it

I get this show is must see TV to the masses, hell I watch it every week too, so I'm part of the masses.  But shoddy and inconsistent writing along with dumb characters makes it pale in comparison to shows like Breaking Bad, Game of Thrones, Justified and True Detective (now there's a show that should be talked about more.  The last six minutes of last weeks episode was ******* nuts).

All my point is..... is then don't watch it. It may not be the best show in all aspects, I get that, but it isn't as bad as you make it sound and again "inconsistent writing and dumb characters", easy solution, don't watch. If I had HBO or had had AMC when Bad started, Bad and Thrones would have been watched, but I don't. I have stopped watching many shows because they sucked. This isn't one of them.

In the end this is my problem I guess and I have to deal. That said, I'd rather this be a thread for people who like the show to post their likes AND dislikes, but not where people who hate it come to tell me they still watch it and it sucks and apparently I'm dumb for not seeing it sucks.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt on February 13, 2014, 10:30 AM
All my point is..... is then don't watch it. It may not be the best show in all aspects, I get that, but it isn't as bad as you make it sound and again "inconsistent writing and dumb characters", easy solution, don't watch. If I had HBO or had had AMC when Bad started, Bad and Thrones would have been watched, but I don't. I have stopped watching many shows because they sucked. This isn't one of them.

In the end this is my problem I guess and I have to deal. That said, I'd rather this be a thread for people who like the show to post their likes AND dislikes, but not where people who hate it come to tell me they still watch it and it sucks and apparently I'm dumb for not seeing it sucks.

I think you're taking this a little too personally. It's just a show, man.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: GrandMoffNick on February 13, 2014, 10:39 AM
Thanks for the heads up.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt on February 13, 2014, 10:45 AM
Thanks for the heads up.

You're welcome.

Sneak preview of Episode 11: Rick, Carl, and Michonne clear another house.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: GrandMoffNick on February 13, 2014, 10:46 AM
Thanks for the heads up.

You're welcome.

Sneak preview of Episode 10: Rick, Carl and Michonne clear another house.

Great! More crappy writing and dumb characters. Man this show sucks. Can't wait to watch.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Mikey D on February 13, 2014, 10:59 AM
Thanks for the heads up.

You're welcome.

Sneak preview of Episode 11: Rick, Carl, and Michonne clear another house.

Wrong, that's episode 12.  Episode 11 focuses on the other dumb characters we didn't see in episode 9 (except Daryl, he ain't dumb and Maggie, she hot).
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt on February 13, 2014, 11:08 AM
Great! More crappy writing and dumb characters. Man this show sucks. Can't wait to watch.

I think everyone here likes the show to a degree, or they wouldn't be here. And I think most would agree it's a pretty good show. But that doesn't mean it's above reproach when it gets dumb and directionless, or when it takes the easy way out, they way it did when Carl didn't shoot Zombie Rick.

I will always wonder what this show would have been like if AMC hadn't fired Darabont, and let them have the budget they wanted. The first season had so much promise.

BREAKING: They just fired another showrunner.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: JediJman on February 13, 2014, 11:55 AM
Matt...How does Carl not shooting Rick equal "dumb and directionless?"  The point of the episode was that Carl has been building up resentment for his dad and feels he doesn't need him.  Him NOT shooting Rick signaled his realization that he'd rather die than be alone. Thinking Rick is zombified, he'd actually rather just end it all right there versus going on alone.  That's not dumb - its actually pretty powerful character development.  And it's obviously taking a main character in a new, more mature direction.  Could it be that the show is solid and it's you who just doesn't get it? 

By the way, Kirkman is on record as saying the WD is "Rick's Story," so killing him off for shock value would be a pretty stupid move.  You want to compare this to Breaking Bad, but you're offering up the equivalent of Walter getting killed in season 2 and the rest of the story focusing on Jesse. 

Beyond MY opinion, I think Nick and others are just bothered by the constant ripping on the show.  This is obviously a thread for people that really like the show.  That doesn't mean you can't point out things that bother you or that you wish had happened differently, but saying the storyline sucks or the writers constantly "blow it" isn't going to make you a lot of friends here.  And frankly, it makes you sound pretty stupid for continuing to waste your time on a show you don't like.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: GrandMoffNick on February 13, 2014, 11:58 AM
Wish I was smart enough to have said all that.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt on February 13, 2014, 12:35 PM
Matt...How does Carl not shooting Rick equal "dumb and directionless?"  The point of the episode was that Carl has been building up resentment for his dad and feels he doesn't need him.  Him NOT shooting Rick signaled his realization that he'd rather die than be alone. Thinking Rick is zombified, he'd actually rather just end it all right there versus going on alone.  That's not dumb - its actually pretty powerful character development.  And it's obviously taking a main character in a new, more mature direction.  Could it be that the show is solid and it's you who just doesn't get it?

I said Carl not shooting Rick was the show taking the easy way out. Did it develop Carl as a character better than the alternative? There's no way to know. But the alternative would have made for much more interesting TV. Dumb and directionless was just a general descriptor of some of the decisions they've made after the first season.

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By the way, Kirkman is on record as saying the WD is "Rick's Story," so killing him off for shock value would be a pretty stupid move.  You want to compare this to Breaking Bad, but you're offering up the equivalent of Walter getting killed in season 2 and the rest of the story focusing on Jesse.

If it's Rick's story, then we know he's gonna make it out of every situation they put him in, like James Bond. That's boring. And means that line they like to trot out that "anyone can die at any time" is total bull****.

And I'm not the one who mentioned Breaking Bad, but do people really want to compare the two? Really?

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Beyond MY opinion, I think Nick and others are just bothered by the constant ripping on the show.  This is obviously a thread for people that really like the show.

Then let's update the thread title to "The Walking Dead (ONLY for people that really like the show)"

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That doesn't mean you can't point out things that bother you or that you wish had happened differently, but saying the storyline sucks or the writers constantly "blow it" isn't going to make you a lot of friends here.  And frankly, it makes you sound pretty stupid for continuing to waste your time on a show you don't like.

I like the show. It can be great TV when it wants to be. Too bad it hasn't wanted to be for a while.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: GrandMoffNick on February 13, 2014, 12:49 PM
Rick dead doesn't make the show more interesting in my opinion.
Yes Rick probably will always live. Good. Anyone else could die, pretty close to what they said. Not BS.
I think "really" was meant as "actually like" and not "like a lot".
And the show is still good.
I am speaking for everybody here, which is never a good idea, thus I could be way off base, but I do think most people who read this thread want to talk about what they like, didn't like, BUT don't want to hear about the show sucks. So maybe the thread title should be changed OR some of us just were able to infer that. Again I could be totally wrong on other's thoughts.
And time to stop fighting about TV. The end.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt on February 13, 2014, 01:01 PM
I actually like the show.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: GrandMoffNick on February 13, 2014, 01:04 PM
I actually like the show.

I wouldn't believe it if you weren't saying it.
Anyway, it's a thread on the internet where you can type what you want. I need to accept that.
One last thought, what shows and movies are you watching where it's less obvious who is and isn't going to die in each episode? Because I haven't seen them.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jeff on February 13, 2014, 01:05 PM
Rick dead doesn't make the show more interesting in my opinion.

It would be a hell of a lot more interesting because it's the hard choice and forces the writers to really keep a drama series fresh.

I'd compare it to Boardwalk Empire.  SPOILERS to follow...

In that HBO show, one season the writers sort of wrote themselves into a corner with a big beef between two main characters, Nucky and Jimmy.  The easy way out would be for them to somehow magically forget the deeds of the past season, work out a deal and keep both popular characters.  But... they didn't and one of them killed the other.  The show lost a very important, very main character.


One last thought, what shows and movies are you watching where it's less obvious who is and isn't going to die in each episode? Because I haven't seen them.

Second example, Game of Thrones.  SPOILERS to follow...

EVERYONE that I know who has watched that show is totally blown away by the death of a main character towards the end of season one.  Killing Rick would be almost exactly like killing Ned Stark (the main character of Season One).  Right now this is the #1 show where anyone can die at anytime it seems.


Maybe Kirkman has said it's "Rick's Story", but he's also said the TV show and comic are two different things...  killing Rick and letting the TV show focus on Carl (yuck) or Daryl (yay) would immediately up the ante for a new perspective as well as making you wonder if someday Carl/Daryl would be killed to make way for Michone or Tyrese or whoever to take a turn...
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: GrandMoffNick on February 13, 2014, 01:23 PM
Rick dead doesn't make the show more interesting in my opinion.

It would be a hell of a lot more interesting because it's the hard choice and forces the writers to really keep a drama series fresh.


In your opinion. Just like mine is an opinion. Killing off main characters just for that reason isn't good enough to me. Plenty of "fresh" going on for me. Game of Thrones may be more anyone can die, doesn't make WD obvious.

EDIT- I didn't state that as meant. Killing off a main character does keep things fresh, but it doesn't mean you do it just because that is the case.

P.S. I think WD has killed off so many main characters they run the risk of not having enough time do develop the "newer" characters and that would not make for interesting TV. I can watch a bad zombie movie for that.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: GrandMoffNick on February 13, 2014, 01:31 PM
You had to pull me back in Jeff.  ;)
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt on February 13, 2014, 01:33 PM
"On AMC's The Walking Dead, anyone can die at any time! Except Rick, because it's his story, and except Daryl, because he's the bad-boy that the ladies love, and Michonne, too, 'cause she looks cool with her sword and whatnot. And probably Maggie, 'cause she's the only hot piece of ass on the show. Everyone else is fair game!"
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: GrandMoffNick on February 13, 2014, 01:45 PM
I believe any of the others could die. And sure some of them will. The beauty is I don't know who or when. Good show.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BillCable on February 13, 2014, 02:00 PM
and True Detective (now there's a show that should be talked about more.  The last six minutes of last weeks episode was ******* nuts).

That was one ridiculously intense sequence.  Very gritty.  You could feel it spiral out of control.

I also really liked how even a decade later the two guys matched their stories about the time off to visit his dad.  Even though they don't seem to like each other much they're both loyal (and smart).
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on February 13, 2014, 02:39 PM
I'm ok with Rick being the show's focus and staying alive.  I'm equally ok with everyone else dying at some point, which I think they pretty much all will.

I think TWD's one of the best shows on television myself...  The Carl episode last week was a direct story from the comics I guess, and I liked what it did with his character since his character's direction is changing a lot now.  Kirkman's tried to backtrack on Rick being fair game too, but that won't happen I don't think, but I'm fine with that.  I like having him as a focal point so everyone else is just part of the pile underneath him, kind of.  At least that's how I view it anyway.

Game of Thrones is probably the best show on TV to me though.  Just a hair above TWD.  GoT just mind-f's you weekly.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: JediJman on February 13, 2014, 03:30 PM
So TWD isn't willing to kill off popular characters?  T-DOG? Shane? Andrea?  Hell, Andrea is my favorite character in the comics.  I would not be surprised to see Daryl or Michonne killed off at some point just to shock people,  but I disagree with the notion that killing off characters makes a better story.  If you have super popular and interesting characters, writing them out of the show means you're focusing the show on less interesting characters by definition.  I would much rather watch chick with a katana and dude with with a crossbow than the endearing travels of father and son Grimes. 

SPOILER FROM THE COMICS
Kirkland did kill off Glenn brutally in the comics and the backlash was insane.  People were incredibly pissed that a long standing favorite was gone.  It advanced the story in another direction and changed Maggie, but I think the story has suffered more from it than its benefited.  Maggie's less interesting,  Rick doesn't have his confidant/friend, and the new characters filling the space just aren't as interesting.  Shocking? Yes. But not a better or improved story IMO.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt_Fury on February 13, 2014, 03:59 PM
"On AMC's The Walking Dead, anyone can die at any time! Except Rick, because it's his story, and except Daryl, because he's the bad-boy that the ladies love, and Michonne, too, 'cause she looks cool with her sword and whatnot. And probably Maggie, 'cause she's the only hot piece of ass on the show. Everyone else is fair game!"

Just an aside.  If you read the comics, although it is Rick's story...he's been through a hell of a lot of ****!
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: JediJman on February 13, 2014, 04:44 PM
Just an aside.  If you read the comics, although it is Rick's story...he's been through a hell of a lot of ****!

Yeah, Rick's lost more physically and emotionally than any character from any story that I can think of.  Despite still being alive, he is definitely Kirkman's punching bag. 
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Mikey D on February 13, 2014, 07:19 PM
So TWD isn't willing to kill off popular characters?  T-DOG? Shane? Andrea? 

Those are the examples you give?  TV show Andrea absolutely sucked compared to comic Andrea (my favorite comic character BTW).  T-Dog?  There were times he didn't say literally one word during an episode.  Shane I might give you, but he was becoming emotionally unstable at the end because Lori wouldn't **** him anymore.  And he lasted a hell of a lot longer than comic Shane ever did.

I would have said Dale (I was shocked by the brutality of that death) or Hershel.  Two characters, who for the most part, most people seemed to like.  I don't think I've seen anyone whose favorite character was T-Dog or Andrea.  In fact, other than Carl, I think Andrea might have been one of the most hated characters on the show.

Kill off Daryl, Rick or Michonne.  That'll get people talking.

And by the way, I like this show.  I wouldn't be reading this thread if I didn't.  I just don't think it's the end all be all of great TV.  I liken Walking Dead to Sons of Anarchy.  I like SoA but those characters do stupid **** and the writing sucks compared to Justified or previously The Shield.  If I don't like a show, I don't watch.  I gave up on Agents of Shield because I thought it sucked and this is coming from someone who loves every single one of Marvel's cinematic movies (even IM2)
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Greg on February 13, 2014, 08:08 PM
Lori and Dale were the only two big deaths on the show that I found shocking and unexpected. The writing was on the wall for Shane, Merle, Andrea, Herschel and The Governor so I wasn't surprised when they bit the dust. As much as I enjoy Daryl and Rick, seeing one of them get ambushed and eaten by walkers would really kick things up a notch.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: GrandMoffNick on February 13, 2014, 09:22 PM

Kill off Daryl, Rick or Michonne.  That'll get people talking.


I don't look at ratings, but I don't think TWD is doing too bad in the ratings to need to "get people talking". People will also talk if the zombies all revert back to regular humans. Doesn't make it the way to go.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: GrandMoffNick on February 13, 2014, 09:24 PM
Lori and Dale were the only two big deaths on the show that I found shocking and unexpected. The writing was on the wall for Shane, Merle, Andrea, Herschel and The Governor so I wasn't surprised when they bit the dust. As much as I enjoy Daryl and Rick, seeing one of them get ambushed and eaten by walkers would really kick things up a notch.

Part of why we all saw those deaths coming is because TWD kills off main characters. Not because it was just so expected and the easy thing to do.

I can't wrap my head around the only way to make this show good is to kill off Rick, Michone, or Daryl. I know that isn't exactly what is being said, but close enough. I hope Michone or Daryl goes, but not for a while. I just want to know it could happen. Don't do it for the sake of doing it.

I wonder how many people are hoping Rick, Michone, or Daryl will die. It's not always about shock value.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Morgbug on February 13, 2014, 11:09 PM


I would have said Dale (I was shocked by the brutality of that death) or Hershel.  Two characters, who for the most part, most people seemed to like. 


Being the moral compass is generally not a career enhancing move. 
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Greg on February 14, 2014, 12:17 AM
Lori and Dale were the only two big deaths on the show that I found shocking and unexpected. The writing was on the wall for Shane, Merle, Andrea, Herschel and The Governor so I wasn't surprised when they bit the dust. As much as I enjoy Daryl and Rick, seeing one of them get ambushed and eaten by walkers would really kick things up a notch.

Part of why we all saw those deaths coming is because TWD kills off main characters. Not because it was just so expected and the easy thing to do.

I can't wrap my head around the only way to make this show good is to kill off Rick, Michone, or Daryl. I know that isn't exactly what is being said, but close enough. I hope Michone or Daryl goes, but not for a while. I just want to know it could happen. Don't do it for the sake of doing it.

I wonder how many people are hoping Rick, Michone, or Daryl will die. It's not always about shock value.

I think Rick or Daryl would be prime characters to kill off because they are very well developed, and their deaths could be totally unexpected AND shocking. I feel they are the only characters on the show who could die in next week's episode and leave me totally devastated, but unfortunately they are apparently untouchable. I am not nearly as invested in the other characters as they haven't received the same level of development. With all of the characters being either untouchable or under-developed, the show lacks suspense and has become less enjoyable for me.

Of course, I'd be just as happy if development and attention was more balanced among all of the characters. Carol earlier this season and Michonne in this past episode were steps in the right direction. I would love to see Tyrese, Bob, and Sasha get similar attention. Keep Glenn, Maggie, and Beth in the picture as well. I would love to get invested in everyone on the show, so any death could have the same level of impact without a character needing a "focus" episode before.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: GrandMoffNick on February 14, 2014, 07:31 AM
I hear what you are saying there, but it still doesn't get me to one of them NEEDS to die.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt on February 14, 2014, 09:47 AM
Lori and Dale were the only two big deaths on the show that I found shocking and unexpected. The writing was on the wall for Shane, Merle, Andrea, Herschel and The Governor so I wasn't surprised when they bit the dust. As much as I enjoy Daryl and Rick, seeing one of them get ambushed and eaten by walkers would really kick things up a notch.

Part of why we all saw those deaths coming is because TWD kills off main characters. Not because it was just so expected and the easy thing to do.

You must have a pretty broad definition of what a main character is.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: GrandMoffNick on February 14, 2014, 10:07 AM
Lori and Dale were the only two big deaths on the show that I found shocking and unexpected. The writing was on the wall for Shane, Merle, Andrea, Herschel and The Governor so I wasn't surprised when they bit the dust. As much as I enjoy Daryl and Rick, seeing one of them get ambushed and eaten by walkers would really kick things up a notch.

Part of why we all saw those deaths coming is because TWD kills off main characters. Not because it was just so expected and the easy thing to do.

You must have a pretty broad definition of what a main character is.

Again killing off Rick or the show isn't good still makes no sense. And apparently that's what you think. Do you want the main character in all shows you watch killed off? I think I am done debating with you. I appreciate Greg and Matt M debating with me and Justin, etc because it feels like a friendly debate. Any time YOU say anything it seems like you're being an a*hole for the sake of being an a*hole, in my opinion, so it riles me up too. I could be reading you wrong, and if so I apologize, but I don't think so, so that is a pretty worthless apology.

We will just have to agree to disagree and I will continue watching the show and enjoying it and rooting even harder they never kill off Rick both because I like his character and just to be a jerk. Thanks.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt on February 14, 2014, 10:25 AM
Again killing off Rick or the show isn't good still makes no sense. And apparently that's what you think. Do you want the main character in all shows you watch killed off? I think I am done debating with you. I appreciate Greg and Matt M debating with me and Justin, etc because it feels like a friendly debate. Any time YOU say anything it seems like you're being an a*hole for the sake of being an a*hole, in my opinion, so it riles me up too. I could be reading you wrong, and if so I apologize, but I don't think so, so that is a pretty worthless apology.

We will just have to agree to disagree and I will continue watching the show and enjoying it and rooting even harder they never kill off Rick both because I like his character and just to be a jerk. Thanks.

Yeah, you're not taking this discussion about a zombie TV show way too personally at all. My bad.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: name on February 14, 2014, 10:52 AM
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Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: JediJman on February 14, 2014, 10:55 AM
Yeah, you're not taking this discussion about a zombie TV show way too personally at all. My bad.

What part of this conversation feels "personal" to you?  ??? Is that just your go to when you don't have a response?

Beyond a difference in opinion of where they should take the show, your posts have been rather dickish. 

ANYWAY, I am looking forward to seeing more of the cast in next week's episode.  Glad to see everyone on the run again outside the comfort of the prison and beyond the clutches of the Governor.  It's going to be interesting to see where they hold up and how they go about finding each other.  Hopefully Tyrese will get a bigger share of the spotlight and I can't wait until Abraham shows up.  He's a character that could actually replace Daryl in popularity and it would be fun to see them go at it.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt on February 14, 2014, 11:27 AM
What part of this conversation feels "personal" to you?  ??? Is that just your go to when you don't have a response?

Beyond a difference in opinion of where they should take the show, your posts have been rather dickish. 

Is this where I go back and list all the things I've been called in the last 24 hours?
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: GrandMoffNick on February 14, 2014, 11:48 AM
What part of this conversation feels "personal" to you?  ??? Is that just your go to when you don't have a response?

Beyond a difference in opinion of where they should take the show, your posts have been rather dickish. 

Is this where I go back and list all the things I've been called in the last 24 hours?

For everyone else's annoyance level's sake, I promise I'm done after this. I have posted some a*hole things. True. However, only as an over reaction to something as trivial as a tv show. I, again my opinion, I obviously don't know you, think you enjoy the a*hole comment as a part of your argument, and that isn't just based on this particular conversation.

Ok Jeff, Jesse, and the others that just want to talk about the show, I promise I am done until we are discussing this Sunday's episode. SORRY all.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: JediJman on February 14, 2014, 12:42 PM
Is this where I go back and list all the things I've been called in the last 24 hours?

All the things you've been called?  ??? Honestly Matt, I think you're taking this all too personal.  It's just a show - relax.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: CloneF13Y35 on February 14, 2014, 02:38 PM
I think after Hershel's death, we should see some interesting character development out of Daryl and Beth, Maggie who is with Sasha and Bob as well as Glenn...wherever he is since he doesn't know Hershel was killed.
And when Carol is re-introduced, whomever she meets up with will create interesting stories too.
And from recent interviews, I "think" the producers are trying to say Judith may very well have died but I wouldn't be surprised to see Tyreese with her.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: JediJman on February 14, 2014, 04:10 PM
I caught that bit about Judith too, but I wonder if it's real or a red herring.  They were essentially discussing how much they could get away with showing with regards to Judith, which makes me think she doesn't make it.  Maybe a dead baby will satisfy those needing more shock value from the storyline.  That said, I don't think they can just leave it as a bloody carseat, so I bet we see her with one of the other survivors.  Tyrese is a good bet.

I am excited to see what Beth can bring to the table and who else made it away safe from the prison.  Feels like maybe a dozen survivors or so?  (Rick, Carl, Michonne, Daryl, Beth, Maggie, Bob, Sasha, Lilly(?), Carol's girls, Glenn & a few others on that bus?) .  I'm hoping they bring in Abraham, Eugene, and Rosita in the next few episodes.  They are sorely in need of a scientist and medic at this point.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt on February 14, 2014, 05:56 PM
For everyone else's annoyance level's sake, I promise I'm done after this. I have posted some a*hole things. True. However, only as an over reaction to something as trivial as a tv show. I, again my opinion, I obviously don't know you, think you enjoy the a*hole comment as a part of your argument, and that isn't just based on this particular conversation.

That's fair. I know I've got a horrible reputation for being an ******* around here. I don't think I'm that way any more, but it's something I'll probably never be able to live down with some people. Oh well. Can't do anything about that now. Made my own bed and all that.

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Ok Jeff, Jesse, and the others that just want to talk about the show, I promise I am done until we are discussing this Sunday's episode. SORRY all.

Yes. Let's just get back to talking about the show, which is, without question, the most finely-crafted program in the history of broadcast television. A show against which all other shows will be judged, from now until the end of time.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Morgbug on February 14, 2014, 11:43 PM


That's fair. I know I've got a horrible reputation for being an ******* around here.

Not *******.  Prick.   :-*
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Tracy on February 15, 2014, 12:00 AM


That's fair. I know I've got a horrible reputation for being an ******* around here.

Not *******.  Prick.   :-*
I was thinking more along the lines of dickhead.  :-*
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: JediJman on February 15, 2014, 12:15 AM
I'm just sticking with dickish for now.  Even that last comment about being dickish was said dickishly.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt on February 15, 2014, 01:02 AM

Not *******.  Prick.   :-*

This is a Pricktatorship!
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Morgbug on February 15, 2014, 10:49 PM

Not *******.  Prick.   :-*

This is a Pricktatorship!

I can work with that.  Somehow it just seems right.  Wait...
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on February 15, 2014, 11:07 PM
I think you're either a BIG prick or a LITTLE *******, because I don't want you to feel bad.  I figure a big prick's better than a little one, and a little ******* is better than a big one.  I'm doing what I can for you.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: CloneF13Y35 on February 16, 2014, 09:50 AM
I'm looking forward to tonight's episode to see what happens with some of the other characters; what happens with daryl and beth; why is glen shown laying on what looks like a ledge with walkers below - I'm guessing the bus crashed somehwere; maggie is with bob the drunk medic and sashsa who still isn't 100% well; tyresse is probably with the psycho girls who maybe rescued judith...
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BrentS on February 16, 2014, 11:26 PM
Fantastic episode tonight. One of my favorite. I was on the edge of the couch the whole time.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Tracy on February 17, 2014, 12:11 AM
So - after this episode do you think it is even more likely that Lizzie killed Karen and Dave (?)?  She was clearly showing some sociopathic behaviors tonight.  Mutilating small animals and trying to suffocate a baby are pretty clear signs.......

I wonder what reaction Daryl will have to Carol - it was never clear to me just how he felt about what she did.   Also - I wonder if Tyreese will have a less volatile response when he finds out the truth - especially since Carol is with him and providing care and comfort for the girls.  After the events at the prison I would think it would somehow seem less important. 
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: name on February 17, 2014, 12:20 PM
Last night ranks as one of the best episodes in terms of storytelling.  Well done.

And yeah, Lizzie's is batshit crazy.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Mikey D on February 17, 2014, 02:13 PM
So - after this episode do you think it is even more likely that Lizzie killed Karen and Dave (?)?  She was clearly showing some sociopathic behaviors tonight.  Mutilating small animals and trying to suffocate a baby are pretty clear signs.......




I thought it was pretty obvious that all signs point to Lizzie as being the one to kill Tyrese's girl and the other dude, not Carol and her being the one feeding the rats and doing any dissecting.  The naming of the zombies, the playing in the pool of blood with her foot after someone died from the virus a few episodes back, her leading the infected zombie away almost like a dog (here boy, come here boy), the small handprint Rick found and as seen last episode, she's one hell of a ******* shot.

That girl has future serial killer written all over her.  She'd be perfect for Carl.

This week was certainly much better than last week.  That must be because I'm not a Rick or Carl fan and TV Michonne sucks compared to comic Michonne.  Forgot all about Abraham showing up, so that got me by surprise. 

Still doesn't hold a candle to True Detective, however.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt_Fury on February 17, 2014, 07:01 PM
Great episode and awesome to see that there's a hint of another sanctuary out there as well as seeing Abraham Eugene and Rosita!
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on February 17, 2014, 08:10 PM
Agreed, it was a great episode. Wonder if going forward they will rotate through the various characters in each episode or feature them in mini-arcs.

Cripes, those poor rabbits! I couldn't tell what I was looking at when they first zoomed past the hollow log (dang non-HD) but it was pretty clear later...eesh.

I still don't think Lizzie offed Karen and the other guy, it seems to be more of a steadily escalating thing with her, but she is definitely the rat-feeder and dissectionist. Creepy kid, she was really giving off a last-episode-of-MASH vibe with Judith there in the woods. Eesh.

Was surprised to see Tara's story was not over yet, but I kinda liked her self-deprecating attitude. Not sure if I see why Glenn actually needs her, unless as walker bait, but I don't mind seeing her story continue. (Did they ever show her sister getting offed? I don't recall that)

As far as "Terminus" - mmm, after Woodbury they might want to be a little leery about greener pastures, but I guess they don't have much else of a plan. Shouldn't they have had some kind of designated regroup site if they all got separated? Good luck with that.

At long last though...Abraham! Came off like a bit of a heavy there but I'm looking forward to more next week for sure.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: CloneF13Y35 on February 17, 2014, 08:48 PM
they didn't show her sister lily getting swarmed by walkers, as far as I recall but by having tara explain it happened off camera is a cost effective way of wrapping up that sub-plot without having to film it/pay actors etc.
I agree glen only needs her to help him - as he said "he doesn't Want her help - he only needs it" to help him find Maggie who'll probably kill her just for being with the Gov...
I could see crazy little lizzie letting herself get turned into a walker since she's so fascinated with them- only to have carol be forced to kill her...
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on February 17, 2014, 11:18 PM
I can now take this moment to go neener neener neener, I was right about Judith. :P  I was glad when she turned up, and it was a cool reveal I thought.  Well done.

Darryl and Beth were less interesting...  Darryl going into moody mode gets old.  I know girls like him, and I like his badassery, but the attempts to make him the brooding heartthrob need to stop.  Stick with the badassery more.  A guy like that isn't gonna sit staring at the fire all down about life while Beth, friggin' BETH, wants to go track down their friends?  Darryl would be the one taking the tracking seriously and looking.

Loved showing how Tyrese's strength with the hammer just disintegrates walker heads...  It's awesome and plays into what I said all along that if you were a weaker person that's sticking in a skull.  If you're a big dude like Tyrese you're just exploding heads like you're Gallagher and Walkers are watermelons! 

Glenn's predicament was awesome and unexpected...  A major surprise.  He got conked out by a shell I guess, and he's just stuck there.  I dug how they paired him with Tara, and she actually nutted up a little there at the end too.  I felt like he rebounded pretty quick from the Herschel news, but you can only do so much in a short time frame.

Carol, great way to explain her character away...  I can easily see her having to off Lizzie.  That it gets out of hand in some capacity and she recognizes it and makes the hard decision ultimately.  Now she's back, and with the last person she should've been with but with the person who probably needed her the most ironically.

Next week looks...  odd...

Was this new stronghold in the comics?  Just curious.  I'd not heard anyone say anything about this place before is all.

The new characters at the end weren't expected quite so soon.  Since I've not read the comics all I know is they're important.  Curious to see how they'll jive with the existing characters though, and where they came from.  I'm guessing they were coming because of the cannon fire and the smoke?

One thing I didn't like about this episode, and probably the only thing I didn't care for, was the bus...  it's closed up, but there's tons of zombies on it.  Why is the bus just stopped there?  Nothing SEEMED to stop it.  Only a few people seemed completely devoured.  Nothing seemed to happen to anything except like everyone just fell asleep and got eaten or turned.  That just doesn't seem logical and was just a tension builder without much thought put into it. 

Nice to see Bob/Maggie/Sasha going along but basically doing nothing major.  I feel more than ever that Maggie/Glenn's relationship is nearing an endpoint.  They're my guess on upcoming mains to get offed.  Lizzie isn't a main really, but she'd be my next bet. :-\

Other than the bus puzzle, I thought it was great...  Lots of suspense, lots of logic and detail.  I liked it a lot.  One of my favs this entire season.

Talking dead was good but the girl who plays Tara is...  chatty. 

Whoever that guy was with the squawkbox show was really interesting though.  I liked his points of view on things. 
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt_Fury on February 18, 2014, 08:59 AM
If you notice, there are bullet holes in the back of the bus....it was being shot up as they were driving away.  My guess is that some people in the back were killed, turned, bit others and no one got out in time.  The folks on the bus were a lot of the old and others recovering from the infection.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BillCable on February 18, 2014, 09:39 AM
Can someone explain why the younger girl's shoe was at the scene of the walker attack when Daryl got there, but she was still wearing them as they walked down the train tracks?
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on February 18, 2014, 10:33 AM
Can someone explain why the younger girl's shoe was at the scene of the walker attack when Daryl got there, but she was still wearing them as they walked down the train tracks?

Thanks, I was wondering that too and never could figure it out.

RE: the bus - maybe it just ran out of gas? Esp if the bullets hit the gas tank...just thinking out loud.

I figured Glenn had just passed out from exertion back at the prison, he is still in pretty rough shape getting over that virus.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Mikey D on February 18, 2014, 01:18 PM
Can someone explain why the younger girl's shoe was at the scene of the walker attack when Daryl got there, but she was still wearing them as they walked down the train tracks?

Inconsistent writing.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BillCable on February 18, 2014, 01:29 PM
Inconsistent writing.

The shoe was obviously foreshadowing that girl's death.  I mean, blatantly.  Could they have filmed it and decided later that she wasn't going to die?  The only other explanation is that the writers just gave the audience a big old middle finger for no good reason.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt_Fury on February 18, 2014, 04:49 PM
Can someone explain why the younger girl's shoe was at the scene of the walker attack when Daryl got there, but she was still wearing them as they walked down the train tracks?

Thanks, I was wondering that too and never could figure it out.

RE: the bus - maybe it just ran out of gas? Esp if the bullets hit the gas tank...just thinking out loud.

I figured Glenn had just passed out from exertion back at the prison, he is still in pretty rough shape getting over that virus.
They were showing different segments out of sequence.  It illustrates that the survivors are all somewhat near each other and their paths keep crossing, but they have yet to link up.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on February 18, 2014, 05:47 PM
I still find the bus confusing...  Even if it ran out of gas or a zombie cropped up in the back, someone would've gotten out.  There were too many people.  For me it was a sign of they wanted that tension for Maggie but didn't think the scenario out.  At times they do that stuff well, at other times they do this.  I find the good outweighs the bad in that regard, but when little stuff like that happens it does annoy me. 

I could buy the tank getting hit and it running out of gas for sure, but a zombie outbreak on the bus, and with as many exits as a bus has NOBODY got off it?  Even sick, those people got on the bus under their own power...  That's just not believable to me.

Glenn's all cut up, so that's why I figure the shell that took out the walkway probably put him down...  I thought it was awesome that, this whole time, he's back at the prison and everyone left him.  I thought that was the twist of the night really. :) 

The shoe thing, I figured it was from another kid.

Speaking of, what happened to all the other kids ultimately?  Probably never get answered.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BillCable on February 18, 2014, 08:34 PM
The shoe thing, I figured it was from another kid.

So big middle finger to the audience, then.

You don't show a close-up of a kid's shoe, then in the very next scene show the exact same shoe close up on a living kid.  That's just dishonest.

Re:  the bus - who says somebody didn't get out?  There were only like 8 or 10 walkers in there.  The bus was fuller than that when it drove off.  Maybe half a dozen people got out the front before closing the door behind them.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on February 18, 2014, 10:40 PM
True I suppose they could've closed the back up perhaps and nobody says anything since they're only looking for Glenn.  I don't think there were a ton of people on the bus though...  I don't think there were a ton of people left at the prison outside of the core people.  They mention numbers periodically but I don't recall if they ever say before the attack how many are left...  Makes me wonder if there's a way to do a headcount on how many should've been on the bus?  Some died on their way there too IIRC.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Morgbug on February 21, 2014, 08:17 PM
(http://www.notesoft.com/DiscussionBoards/Debunkers/download/file.php?id=91&mode=view)
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: CloneF13Y35 on February 22, 2014, 11:38 AM
I like that they're having different characters team up so to speak, I think it makes for interesting stories and character arcs. I just hope they don't rush bringing the group back together because we all know in real life we can miss meeting up with people my just a few minutes etc...
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: name on February 22, 2014, 04:49 PM
The shoe thing, I figured it was from another kid.

So big middle finger to the audience, then.

You don't show a close-up of a kid's shoe, then in the very next scene show the exact same shoe close up on a living kid.  That's just dishonest.

I'd have to rewatch to be sure, but maybe their timelines haven't synced up yet.  If I remember, we left the psycho kid just a bit up the tracks from the zombie bitten, but not yet converted, stranger.  They were staring at the sign for Terminus. 

There's still the possibility of the kid going back down tracks and getting eaten by the bitten stranger, or the bitten stranger coming up track and then carrying her shoe back down before Beth and Daryl arrive on the scene.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on February 23, 2014, 10:34 PM
Pretty cool episode...tense scenes with Rick, some fun with Professor Mullet and Big Red, and Crazy Cheese!

Rosita reminds me of the female deputy from Planet Terror, she rocks.

Loved Rick leaving the door cracked for the dead guy to turn and wreak havoc in the house...

Half the group on the way to Terminus now, the other half still roaming around. Guessing they will all get there by season's end?

Next week: more fun with Daryll and Beth...still worried for her
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt_Fury on February 24, 2014, 12:25 AM
Definitely a good episode, I'm glad to see Abraham, Eugene and Rosita are pretty true to form from the comic.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt on February 24, 2014, 12:36 AM
Sneak preview of Episode 11: Rick, Carl, and Michonne clear another house.

Okay, so just Carl and Michonne.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Diddly on February 24, 2014, 05:07 AM
Thought it was pretty lame myself. Would have been much cooler if the pointless invaders had all been a dream for Rick. Would have gotten the same point across.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Sybeck1 on February 24, 2014, 08:10 AM
It was a filler episode. Its like we are back in season two at the farm.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BillCable on February 24, 2014, 10:03 AM
Not a fan of this episode.  First, the three new folks just seem out of a different reality.  They're goofy.  They don't make much sense in this series.  Got this chick walking around in Daisy Dukes - NOT THAT I'M COMPLAINING - but how does that make any sense?  And then we have super-genius dude who, despite being a super genius walking around Zombieland, never took 10 minutes to learn how to properly shoot a rifle?  "The fate of the world rests on my shoulders... but I sure wouldn't want to learn how to use the most basic of survival equipment!"  Or, you know, learn how to shout the word "ZOMBIES!"

The Rick, Carl and Michonne stuff was all solid.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: CloneF13Y35 on February 24, 2014, 07:42 PM
THe whole part with Rick trapped under the bed while the invaders took turns playing goldilocks bears was pretty cool! I'm digging abraham already, not the usual dour depressed 'all is lost'  and a new catch-phrase is born "son of a d! ck".

Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on February 24, 2014, 07:57 PM
I like the new people too...  Daisy Dukes?  Eh, it's Atlanta...  It's hot...  I'm sure she either has, or picks up some pants for the winter.  It doesn't bother me (in any way  :D) really.

I can buy the nerd not knowing how to shoot...  Honestly, how many people have you met who are just inept at certain stuff, especially the maybe overly intelligent who lack common sense...  He yelled, they ignored, he tried to do it himself...  I mean, stuff like that doesn't bother me because people like that exist.  How he'd survive this long?  I guess Abraham or folks like him.  Took balls to tell Abraham, after killing the unkillable truck, that he's smarter and to do what he says, but yeah...  I dunno.  Not everyone is going to be Darryl or Rick, so there have to be Milton and Eugenes too I guess.

I liked the character development, or perhaps reinforcement in some cases, from this episode...  Rick, who people maybe were beginning to doubt, now shows you again why you shouldn't doubt him.  He kicks some biker douche's ass and kills him, all with what I assume are broken ribs at the very least.  Not shabby for a guy who just 2 weeks ago his kid was saying he was a loser and he didn't need him anymore...  Rick's still scary when Rick wishes to be.  I know some don't think that was important but I think it is.

Michonne bonding with Carl, that's good development...  Character relationships expanding and all that jazz.  Setting up a big reunion with Judith maybe too, which was nice. 

Tyrese/Abraham seem like they'd be an interesting relationship if they meet up...  Two big dudes, different personalities though.

The thing I found odd, and it's maybe just his personality, but Abraham trying to MAKE Glenn go with him...  how would that possibly work?  He'd never be into your crusade if you make him go, so what's the end-game there?

I haven't watched Talking Dead yet but I'm sure I missed something because every TD seems to point out some little detail I didn't catch.

I liked seeing Rick kind of "back" though.  At the very least he has his crap together a little more than he did.  Guys eating your canned chili will get you back into reality real quick.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: CloneF13Y35 on March 1, 2014, 10:15 AM
and with this week's episode being the half-way point of the last eight episodes, things should start to get interesting from here on out (yeah I know we all thought the same thing this time last year with the Gov and the impending attack on the prison) - I think new show runner scott gimple has done an amazing job keeping things on track for the most part.
So we have part of the prison group sorta reuniting at Terminus - Rick, Carl and Michonne;  Tyreese, Carol with baby Judith and the danger girls; now we need to see where Beth and Daryl as well as Maggie, Sasha and Bob all end up. We at least know Glen and Tara are with the new comers - Abraham, Eugene and Rosita...going somewhere...
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on March 1, 2014, 11:17 PM
Picked up Volume 1 of the comics.  Shane was a much ******** character.  Darryl and Meryl missing is....  Odd.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt_Fury on March 2, 2014, 04:02 AM
Darryl and Merle are not in the comics at all.  Carol is much different in the comics as well.

I don't know if it's the medium or if Kirkman's writing has evolved, but the characters in the comics are much more one-dimensional...but the stories can be much more brutal.  There are some plotlines I just can't see how they would make the television show!
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on March 2, 2014, 02:05 PM
Yeah that's what I meant about d/m missing.  It makes the story much less complex and feels strange.  Makes me appreciate the show more.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Greg on March 2, 2014, 02:26 PM
Yeah that's what I meant about d/m missing.  It makes the story much less complex and feels strange.  Makes me appreciate the show more.

It's definitely a different dynamic in the comics. IMO the lack of Dixon brothers is made up for by some characters from the show, like Tyrese, having bigger roles.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on March 2, 2014, 11:03 PM
I'm going to guess a lot of people did not dig tonight's episode, but it was fine with me. Not a lot happened but I enjoy the character development aspect and Daryl is by far one of the more interesting characters. I even like what they are doing with Beth, much more of a fully realized character now. Daryl is actually pretty lucky he ended up with her, she's been sort of the perfect foil for him.

Was hoping we would see them reach the train tracks by the end, but alas no.

They were both good on TD as well, nice that they are getting more of the cast members into the guest rotation now.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt_Fury on March 3, 2014, 03:40 AM
I liked the episode even though it was paced very slow.  It may not be everyone's cup of tea, but these types of episodes are needed to develop the characters...so you care when they are eventually eaten by the zombie horde.  :D
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: GrandMoffNick on March 3, 2014, 07:30 AM
I enjoy the character development episodes too and thought the last 20 minutes of this episode was excellent.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Sybeck1 on March 3, 2014, 12:13 PM
Here is the Timeline from the TWD Wiki:  The Walking Dead Timeline
Approximately 500+ days have passed since the Zombie Virus Outbreak.

Things that surprised me about the timeline.

Rick after getting shot was in the Hospital over 60 Days.

The time frame of season 1 is only about 8 days long. (Of course season 1 is only 6 Episodes because they weren't sure anyone would watch a show about the Zombiepocalypse [snicker...] )

Only a day passes between Season 1 and Season 2.

The time Frame of Season 2 is only about 27 Days long.

Between the end of Season 2 and the beginning of Season 3 208 days pass.

The Time Frame of Season 3 is only about 23 days long.

Approximately 177 Days pass between the end of Season 3 and the beginning of Season 4.

In Season 4 approximately 7 days have passed so far.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Tracy on March 3, 2014, 12:46 PM
By that timeline - Lori wasted NO time at all once she found out Rick was dead.  Not to mention - Judith was born a few weeks early........ :-\
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: CloneF13Y35 on March 3, 2014, 06:31 PM
while not the action packed episode most people probably hoped for, it was another great character episode that fleshed out beth and daryl a whole lot more. i did wonder if beth aslo wanted another 'first' with daryl after getting her drink on ;)
But nothing wrong with this episode but it's time for the stakes to be raised for sure.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt_Fury on March 4, 2014, 01:01 AM
Kinda cool insight to the episode on the talking dead.  The zombies hanging in the country club was a result of the staff fighting with the country club patrons...also the one in the pro shop with the rich bitch sign.

Pretty cool that there was an interesting back story there!
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Qui-Gon Jim on March 4, 2014, 09:22 AM
Lost a bet with the wife.  The actress that plays Beth is 28 years old!  Mind.  Blown.  She looks like a teenager.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on March 4, 2014, 10:02 AM
Kinda cool insight to the episode on the talking dead.  The zombies hanging in the country club was a result of the staff fighting with the country club patrons...also the one in the pro shop with the rich bitch sign.

Pretty cool that there was an interesting back story there!

Yeah, that was cool. The first thing I thought of when I saw that sign though was the episode last year where they found other corpses with signs on them like "Liar" etc. Sort of made me wonder if there is some psycho running around.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt_Fury on March 4, 2014, 10:57 PM
Kinda cool insight to the episode on the talking dead.  The zombies hanging in the country club was a result of the staff fighting with the country club patrons...also the one in the pro shop with the rich bitch sign.

Pretty cool that there was an interesting back story there!

Yeah, that was cool. The first thing I thought of when I saw that sign though was the episode last year where they found other corpses with signs on them like "Liar" etc. Sort of made me wonder if there is some psycho running around.

There is...her name's Lizzie!
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on March 4, 2014, 11:06 PM
I liked the episode, but was a little deflated that Darryl's prior life was meh.

I think Beth's days are numbered.  I wonder what Vegas odds are on that?

I dug the backstory on TD about the Country Club...  Actually without TD I really wouldn't have picked up on all that ultimately.  I didn't quite get the "Rich Bitch" quasi-mannequin at the time.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: CloneF13Y35 on March 9, 2014, 07:47 PM
Hm let me see...i'm walking through a foggy wooded area knowing there are living dead threats out there..what will I do? How about instead of worrying about how bullets grab some decent size tree limbs and use them to keep unwanted critters away. They'll be good for swinging, stabbing, hitting and tripping up anything out in the hard to see foggy soup!
And since both Maggie and Sasha will be on Talking Dead afterwards, I hope that means one of them bites it, literally ;)
Time for some people to die!
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Tracy on March 9, 2014, 09:11 PM
If the "Previously - on The Walking Dead" is any indication - I don't think Beth is going to survive tonight's episode  :-\
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Angry Ewok on March 9, 2014, 09:17 PM
If the "Previously - on The Walking Dead" is any indication - I don't think Beth is going to survive tonight's episode  :-\

I'm thinking no star deaths, tonight.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: evenflow on March 9, 2014, 09:52 PM
Maybe I am hard to please but I thought last week's episode was boring and this week has been so far. 10 min to go. Hopefully it ends well.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on March 9, 2014, 10:41 PM
I'm still liking all these episodes, getting back to the basics: people versus zombies.

Just when I thought Daryl and Beth were going to go all sweet on each other, BAM - mysterious kidnapping. Ugh, poor Beth.

Bob is still kind of a weird, squirrely dude, but I like his act after the prison. He seems more together than anyone else. (As pointed out, he was the only one who didn't lose something, so makes sense)

I kept waiting for some crazy weirdo to come creeping out of the closet in that mortuary with Daryl and Beth, or for the food to be drugged and/or poisoned. Seemed too inviting somehow.

So we got everybody on the way to Terminus now except for Daryl and Beth. Three episodes to go...still worried for them.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: GrandMoffNick on March 10, 2014, 07:36 AM
I liked everything about last night's episode. I do think these last three episodes need to ramp it up, but the last bunch of episodes have made me care about numerous characters this second half of the season I didn't care much about before. When they kill off Beth I'm going to care now.

And both Beth disappearing and Daryl joining the creepy red neck group left me with a bad feeling in my stomach.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: name on March 10, 2014, 09:07 AM
Ok, I was sleepy last night and completely missed the Beth got kidnapped cue.  I thought she had driven off in a panic to escape the zombies.  That's interesting.

I was also 100% certain until they came back from commercial that Maggie was a walker when she sat up in the parking lot.  WTF was she doing just lying there on the pavement???  There was a food truck she could have climbed up on if she needed a nap!
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BillCable on March 10, 2014, 10:08 AM
Guess if you lie next to a pile of corpses the dead don't mess with you - an extension of the Michonne travel method.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: efranks on March 10, 2014, 10:38 AM
I thought the Maggie thing was kind of odd also but then, like Bill said, she probably used them to keep the others off of her. 

I liked last night's episode.  I thought it was interesting to see how far Bob had come.  I don't know if I missed something or if it was planned, but when he was wandering alone at the beginning I didn't realize it was in the past and when I saw Daryl come riding up on his chopper it still took a second for it to kick in that it was a flashback.  Which, I thought, was good storytelling.  Anyway, he seems to have the best attitude about things right now and Maggie and Sasha need that.

Daryl's situation, on the other hand. That was not a good outcome for him.

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Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on March 10, 2014, 08:06 PM
I thought Lauren Cohen said something on TD about why she was lying there but now I forget...  I think I zoned out just watching Maggie and Sasha's legs throughout that episode.  Oofah.

I liked the Darryl/Beth arc, the whole "are there good people left" conundrum (answer seems to be "no" by episode's end, at least outside the group), and I felt the Maggie/Sasha/Bob story was a tad slow except for Bob's flashback since we basically don't know Bob...  What about Bob?

The actress who played Sasha had a lot of good insight on TD...  Maggie, she seems to ramble a bit, but I liked Sasha's thought-process of she wants to be alone because every time she's with a group she's kicked out, or they're psychopaths, or they're killed by worse groups...  It's a different perspective.  And Bob just digs having people around.  He's like my cat.

Darryl/Beth's angle was fun though.  I wonder who has Beth now though...  Keep hearing about potential comic characters who may have her.  And I want the douche who threatened to take Darryl's wings to be the next "Tank Guy" to get a bolt through him. :)  It's always the biggest dickheads I like seeing get offed next.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on March 10, 2014, 09:06 PM
I'm wondering now if any of the people from Daryl's new group were in the house with Rick a few episodes back??

On TD, I literally did not even recognize the woman who played Sasha. She looked amazing, totally transformed.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BrentS on March 10, 2014, 10:08 PM
I'm wondering now if any of the people from Daryl's new group were in the house with Rick a few episodes back??

The leader of the group was the same guy that came out on the porch. Or at least I assumed it was.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on March 10, 2014, 10:09 PM
Yes, same actor.  Dude bouncing a ball.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Pete_Fett on March 11, 2014, 12:05 AM
On TD, I literally did not even recognize the woman who played Sasha. She looked amazing, totally transformed.

Agreed. Both of the guests on TD this week looked really good.  ;)
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Diddly on March 11, 2014, 04:10 AM
Maggie was lying there because she wanted another zombie to kill so she could write Glenn another message in blood. She even told Sasha the same thing after they killed the zombies. Something like "I got much more than I wanted"

So that house Beth and Daryl found was a trap? The vibe I got was that whoever owns it preys on small groups of people like Beth and Daryl, and I guess buries some of the bodies with everyday funeral services? Although people on Reddit pointed out there was a cross on the car that took Beth which ties into a religious fanatic group in the comics. I guess next week is the conclusion to the Carol/Tyrone/Psycho Girl story.

Anyone have a list of people who HAVEN'T seen the map to Terminus? The Rick/Carl/Michonne trio is on the way, as is Maggie/Sasha/Bob. Glenn saw the sign too and I assume GI Joe and Mr. Mullet and crew are behind him... so that leaves Carol's group and Beth and Daryl.

And yeah those makeup/wardrobe people deserve some sort of award or raise because they're doing a fantastic job dressing down really attractive girls. Those legs were ALMOST worth suffering through Talking Dead for. Almost.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BillCable on March 11, 2014, 08:16 AM
I thought it was pretty obvious that the mortician kidnapped (or perhaps rescued) Beth.  I don't think the house was a "trap" - more likely it was unattended while the mortician was out gathering supplies.  It's a complete mystery though if the mortician is a psycho who snatched Beth, or if he rolled up, saw Beth running for her life, and opened the door so she could jump in the car to escape (dropping her pack in the process).

I didn't pick up on the group that found Daryl being the same group that Rick encountered.  That makes them a bit more interesting.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Tracy on March 11, 2014, 09:54 AM
I thought it was pretty obvious that the mortician kidnapped (or perhaps rescued) Beth.  I don't think the house was a "trap" - more likely it was unattended while the mortician was out gathering supplies.  It's a complete mystery though if the mortician is a psycho who snatched Beth, or if he rolled up, saw Beth running for her life, and opened the door so she could jump in the car to escape (dropping her pack in the process).

My feeling is that Beth was taken, not rescued.  If she were merely rescued, it would make sense that she would tell the driver that she is with Daryl and needs to go back for him.  That car pulled out pretty fast.....

Anyone have a list of people who HAVEN'T seen the map to Terminus? The Rick/Carl/Michonne trio is on the way, as is Maggie/Sasha/Bob. Glenn saw the sign too and I assume GI Joe and Mr. Mullet and crew are behind him... so that leaves Carol's group and Beth and Daryl.


Carol/Tyreese and the girls saw the sign and are on their way to Terminus.  I think the only ones who are not headed there are Daryl and Beth. 

Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Sybeck1 on March 11, 2014, 01:42 PM
I was reading on another site that the fat guy that Rick killed in the bathroom was in the group that found Darryl. I would have to go back and confirm this, because if so there is a severe timeline difference and Darryl would have been at the house that Rick escaped from.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BrentS on March 11, 2014, 01:59 PM
I was reading on another site that the fat guy that Rick killed in the bathroom was in the group that found Darryl. I would have to go back and confirm this, because if so there is a severe timeline difference and Darryl would have been at the house that Rick escaped from.

Interesting... obviously, we all sort of assume the timelines are in the same general flow; however, given that Rick was down and out for a few days it could be conceivable that the Darryl/Beth timeline could sync up.   We've only seen four nights with Darryl and Beth if I recall correctly. 
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Greg on March 11, 2014, 02:00 PM
I was reading on another site that the fat guy that Rick killed in the bathroom was in the group that found Darryl. I would have to go back and confirm this, because if so there is a severe timeline difference and Darryl would have been at the house that Rick escaped from.

I don't recall seeing the guy who had been killed by Rick with the "marauder" group when they found Daryl, but I'm not 100% sure. The only two guys I recognized for sure were the older leader and bandana guy. I'm hoping they don't jumble up the timeline by having Daryl meeting the "marauders" before Rick's stay in that house. The show is already hard enough to keep track of with the main cast split into small groups.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BrentS on March 11, 2014, 03:08 PM


I don't recall seeing the guy who had been killed by Rick with the "marauder" group when they found Daryl, but I'm not 100% sure. The only two guys I recognized for sure were the older leader and bandana guy. I'm hoping they don't jumble up the timeline by having Daryl meeting the "marauders" before Rick's stay in that house. The show is already hard enough to keep track of with the main cast split into small groups.

I've been thinking about this and I'm not sure what the timeline jumbling would do at this point for the season.  It would have been a "oh crap" moment if at the end of Rick's episode that the whole Maurader gang was revealed and Darryl was with them.  However, at this point, I don't think it serves any benefit/shock value.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Greg on March 11, 2014, 03:59 PM


I don't recall seeing the guy who had been killed by Rick with the "marauder" group when they found Daryl, but I'm not 100% sure. The only two guys I recognized for sure were the older leader and bandana guy. I'm hoping they don't jumble up the timeline by having Daryl meeting the "marauders" before Rick's stay in that house. The show is already hard enough to keep track of with the main cast split into small groups.

I've been thinking about this and I'm not sure what the timeline jumbling would do at this point for the season.  It would have been a "oh crap" moment if at the end of Rick's episode that the whole Maurader gang was revealed and Darryl was with them.  However, at this point, I don't think it serves any benefit/shock value.

I agree. I'm guessing Rick's group will eventually cross paths with the Marauders again, and Daryl's current presence should create enough drama. No need for any time jumps.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: CloneF13Y35 on March 11, 2014, 06:53 PM
I thought Lauren Cohen said something on TD about why she was lying there but now I forget...  I think I zoned out just watching Maggie and Sasha's legs throughout that episode.  Oofah

ohh la la for sure - those two sure do clean up Real Nice like!
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on March 11, 2014, 09:55 PM
Nice how all women in the apocalypse are totally hot and doable...  Even Carol, man.  She's pretty shmokin' off the show as well.  The apocalypse isn't looking so bad now...  except the guys are like Shane which is rough to deal with if you're me.  :-\

Oh and yeah I didn't think of the house as a trap, but just the guy's home.  A mortician, or just a guy into weird stuff, whatever, but someone who lured the dog there and cut the warning stuff down to get all the zombies at the door, then boogied to his hoopty.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: JediJman on March 12, 2014, 12:15 AM
I'm wondering now if any of the people from Daryl's new group were in the house with Rick a few episodes back??

I just assumed it was those same guys, but now that you mention it they could be a totally different group.  Would be weird though to have so many groups of survivors all running across each other in the backwoods like that, especially with what appears to be a never ending herd of zombies roaming around.  I thought this week's episode was one of the best in a long time.  Great character development for Bob/Maggie/Sasha, and I just had a bad feeling that one of them was going to get it and the others would be feel responsible.  The creepy mortuary setup was great too.  Kept waiting for something to go wrong and then for Beth to get kidnapped - that was fun.  Not feeling good about Beth or Daryl's situations, and I'm getting a real bad feeling about Terminus as well.  What if instead of a sanctuary, those signs are meant to bring survivors in, so that the terminus people can take all their supplies.  The governor was running a similar setup of sorts, knocking off other survivors to fortify his own people instead of welcoming others in.  For a sanctuary, it's a bit odd that there aren't representatives out scouting for survivors or providing more information than catchy "Come to Terminus" slogans.  I couldn't tell from the map - anyone know how far out the groups are at this point? 

For those who haven't read the comics, the TV story line is a complete departure from the books by now.  No Terminus or railroad tracks in the comics, no Beth/Bob/Sasha/Daryl/Lizzie in the books, no more Andrea/Dale/Sophia in the show.  I wouldn't worry at all about spoiling the TV experience at this point.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on March 12, 2014, 02:19 AM
I don't really feel the same about how the Governor was running Woodbury...  I don't think he was luring people in to take what they wanted, so much as I felt the Governor was open to bolstering his forces at any turn so long as they weren't a threat.

He killed those military guys because they wouldn't show loyalty to him, they'd show it to their CO...  Likewise Rick & Co. are a threat because whoever leads Rick's group would've been a threat...  Likewise with his new group that had the tank, two brothers, Martinez...  They're people who were a threat to him being in charge at that point, and so he disposed of Martinez and the stronger personality brother.

His thing was all about control though, I think...  He took people in happily if they posed no threat and were docile or willing to go into the hierarchy of Woodbury without causing waves (Tyrese's group, Andrea/Michonne).  He always had to have that "lackey" follower who would enforce his will, but wouldn't question it.  It was Merle, then Martinez, then Tank dude...  At least that was my impression of him anyway.  He always was willing to keep/protect the weak to some degree, he just wanted to be the one in charge and nobody else.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: JediJman on March 12, 2014, 08:09 AM
I don't think he was luring anyone in either.  The similarity I was referring to was in the way newcomers are sometimes brought into the fold, but mostly wiped out for their stuff.  Supplies are becoming more scarce, so unless you make sustainable food supplies and other kinds of production, people are going to get the mindset that they have to take from others to survive.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: name on March 12, 2014, 08:47 AM
I thought Lauren Cohen said something on TD about why she was lying there but now I forget...  I think I zoned out just watching Maggie and Sasha's legs throughout that episode.  Oofah.


http://www.amctv.com/talking-dead/videos/bonus-scene-talking-dead-episode-413

She talks about it around 2:35...viewer call.  Basically, Maggie was exhausted from fighting off more walkers than she had expected and that's where she flopped.  No real strategy...just where she landed.  I can live with that.

Also, this:

(http://i.huffpost.com/gen/1363647/thumbs/o-LAUREN-COHAN-570.jpg?5)
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BrentS on March 12, 2014, 09:57 AM
I'm wondering now if any of the people from Daryl's new group were in the house with Rick a few episodes back??

I just assumed it was those same guys, but now that you mention it they could be a totally different group. 

According to IMDB the actors for that group are the same for those two episodes "Claimed" and "Alone".  Characters names are "Joe" and "Tony" and possibly "Len" and "Harley".
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: JediJman on March 12, 2014, 02:19 PM
Cool.  I wonder if Michonne/Rick/Carl are still close by then?  Or will we find Daryl's new buddies tracking down Rick's crew at some point with Daryl in good position to rescue them?  I could have cared less about Beth before mid season, but she's the most interesting storyline for me right now.  That and whatever is waiting for the group at Terminus.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on March 12, 2014, 07:32 PM
Yeah, the guy that talked to Darryl was the guy bouncing the Tennis ball around the house, and on the porch, like I said...  Same actor.  It was noted on the previous TD for that episode that he was a "known" actor (I didn't know him) but it made sense you'd be seeing him again in some greater capacity.  Nice that it was confirmed. :)  I figured it was only a matter of time before a biker gang became some kind of threat because they're out there in force...  It'd make sense they'd be survivors.

I knew Maggie had said something about just being tired...  I loved her sign weapon.  That was bad ass and she should've kept it.  Single-blow killer.  Tiring, but for 1-3, it's a devastator.  Drop it if there's more.  Oh, and thank you sooooooo much for that picture...  Good god.

I think "taking" from people wasn't on the Governor's mind as much as having a stronger force...  Supplies are limited, but the bigger your army, the better your chance at survival and making sustainable supplies.  Basically restarting society...  the Governor was very much into that aspect of things.  Supply stealing is better left to small forceful groups, but the Governor was about having an army, and a safe city that could/would expand and grow...  Taking in the old/sick wasn't an issue to him at all.

The bikers seem like takers...  They're rape, steal...  They don't want a wife, and a life like before.  They'll want just to take from those who have.  They'd be an issue for sure, but hypothetically a place like Woodbury would've grown to where a group like that wouldn't have been a major issue I think. 

That's such an interesting dynamic though...  Having all these different levels of evil.  Small marauder groups, large structured groups where control at the top is a major issue, but want ideal lifestyles for the situation...  Then the possibility of a "bad" version of Michonne running around, capable and content to live by itself, but equally capable of murdering and pillaging by themselves...  True survivor, who's so mentally off anyway they prefer being alone and that society has collapsed.

I think Rick really had the Governor as more a parallel then, to himself, than say these bikers...  They're maybe more like a parallel of the military group that was roaming around, who maybe wouldn't have destroyed Woodbury if they'd arrived at it unharmed, but would've perhaps taken it over because they're now the dominant force in it, and run it their way.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Greg on March 12, 2014, 08:44 PM
The leader of the marauder gang made some comment to Daryl like "let's go hurt people" or something like that. That, along with the one guy choking out the other when Rick was hiding, has me thinking that these guys are just on a senseless rampage in this lawless state. A gang like this seems even more dangerous than a psycho like the Governor, who still had some self-imposed rules/limits. It should be interesting when the marauder gang crosses paths with any of our "hero" groups.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: CloneF13Y35 on March 12, 2014, 08:52 PM
I thought Lauren Cohen said something on TD about why she was lying there but now I forget...  I think I zoned out just watching Maggie and Sasha's legs throughout that episode.  Oofah.


http://www.amctv.com/talking-dead/videos/bonus-scene-talking-dead-episode-413

She talks about it around 2:35...viewer call.  Basically, Maggie was exhausted from fighting off more walkers than she had expected and that's where she flopped.  No real strategy...just where she landed.  I can live with that.

Also, this:

(http://i.huffpost.com/gen/1363647/thumbs/o-LAUREN-COHAN-570.jpg?5)

Dayum!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: CloneF13Y35 on March 16, 2014, 11:12 AM
Guess we'll if Glen finally makes it to Terminus along with the others and then find out whether it's really a 'safe' place or another false hope.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Sybeck1 on March 16, 2014, 04:57 PM
Carol is to be on Talking Dead tonight, wonder if her character survives. Then again the promos look like she allow Lizzie to get what she deserves
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on March 16, 2014, 05:09 PM
I am thinking it is about time she came clean with Tyreese tonight about the whole Karen thing. Time to put that to bed. Then again, as far as she knows, everyone else who knows about that is dead, so maybe she figures what's the point.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: CloneF13Y35 on March 16, 2014, 08:24 PM
I am thinking it is about time she came clean with Tyreese tonight about the whole Karen thing. Time to put that to bed. Then again, as far as she knows, everyone else who knows about that is dead, so maybe she figures what's the point.

yeah that's a good point, no need to cause more trouble for herself...
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Tracy on March 16, 2014, 09:46 PM
  :o Holy Lizzie Borden!!  I did not see THAT coming! 
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Chris M on March 16, 2014, 10:32 PM
What the hell happened to Judith?
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Tracy on March 16, 2014, 10:37 PM
What the hell happened to Judith?
She was in a pack on Tyreese's back.....
(they make the same mistake a lot of shows make - they never seem to keep the size of a baby consistent)
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Chris M on March 16, 2014, 10:42 PM
That's what I was thinking but I thought I saw three crosses and one of them was baby sized.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on March 16, 2014, 10:51 PM
Ugh... brutal, brutal episode. So well done though, great acting by Melissa McBride. The kids on this show do such a great job too.

Pretty much knew it had to end that way with Lizzie, though I did not see that bit coming with Mika, super sad. Very Old Yeller at the end there, good for Carol taking care of the dirty work. Loved how they handled the confession scene with Tyreese, she just seemed totally spent and ready to die. They actually had me wondering at the end there too. Good way to wrap that up.

Next week looks awesome...
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Morgbug on March 16, 2014, 10:55 PM
That's what I was thinking but I thought I saw three crosses and one of them was baby sized.

The one with the baby shoes was there when the group arrived. 

Little miss koo-koo for coco puffs takes it to a whole new level of whacko.   :o

Didn't anyone else associate the flayed out rabbit from the prison with the makings of a serial killer?  Lots of profiles indicate that young children that grow up nutty and start killing start out by hurting small animals. 
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt on March 16, 2014, 10:59 PM
Killing off those awful girls is the best thing this show has done all season.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Sybeck1 on March 16, 2014, 11:23 PM
I can't wait until everyone comes together again to fight a common foe.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Angry Ewok on March 17, 2014, 01:36 AM
Killing off those awful girls is the best thing this show has done all season.

Yeah, that needed to happen. Now to rid the show of the infant props.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on March 17, 2014, 09:03 AM
I agreed with the peeps on TD who postulated that the source of the fire was the moonshine cabin Daryl and Beth set ablaze. Also raises the interesting question of timelines. I suspect they may suprise us by the end of the season when they start to reintegrate the groups, as far as how long some of them have been out there. This makes sense also because otherwise it seems like they would eventually be running into each other walking the same set of tracks.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: name on March 17, 2014, 11:12 AM
Not the way I thought that was going to go.  I thought they were telegraphing pretty hard that little "I could never kill a person" sister would have to pull the trigger on Lizzie to save Judith or Carol.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: CloneF13Y35 on March 17, 2014, 08:31 PM
As previously mentioned - very brutal episode similar to zombie sophia in season two and carl having to kill his mom lori so she won't turn after dieing from the c-section last year.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on March 18, 2014, 12:12 AM
Killing off those awful girls is the best thing this show has done all season.

Yeah, totally agreed...  I didn't care for them as characters, and I hated the TD "somber" tone going with it.  A) it's a TV show, grow up.  B) Lizzie was annoying as a character and I was glad she was gone.

Totally agreed Brent, on the "serial killer" thing...  When it got into my head via here that Lizzie was the one doing the feeding I figured she was at killer-level then, and then her attempt on Judith just solidified that.

Melissa McBride is HAWT I think...  But she's dull as a dick in dishwater on Talking Dead.  Very much like Maggie...  Some of the actors have little to say.  She's one of them.  She's as timid seemingly as her character is on the show.

Anyway, loved the arc, and how that wrapped up nice and tidy...  Tyrese doesn't want to kill her.  She's back in the fold.  The kids are gone (except the baby), which is much simpler to deal with...  I liked it.

It was well acted and shot...  Lizzie playing with the zombie in the yard and things. 

You could just see the little girl's death coming, but yeah, I didn't expect it to come as it did...  I really figured zombie.  LIzzie lures one in, it gets her sister, etc.  No way I saw the twist.  I didn't think they'd go there, but wow.

I liked it all around though.

I too agree with you McMetal on the fire being Darryl/Beth's place they lit.  That puts Darryl/Beth somewhere down the tracks theoretically, further towards TurmANUS I guess?  It does seem to me like episodes have jumped a bit in terms of timing, but they all almost had to basically end up in the same place so it makes some sense I guess.

I'd been missing Ricchone for a while but I liked that they said the long absenses is to make you realize how "separated" the group is ultimately.  I like that aspect of the show.

TD, the comedian wasn't funny, and Carol wasn't interesting...  CM Punk seemed to be ignored, and Hardwick was acting like he was at a real funeral over it...  Good lord.  If you guys who hated TD before had watched it, you'd be ranting today I feel sure.  I was bored to tears, and basically just found the facts about the episode, the make-up effects thing, and the preview to be interesting.  The rest was too much people making more out of it than it was.  I didn't freak out after the Red Wedding like they were moping around over this episode of TD.  Lame.

The Ol Yeller moment was rough, but come on...  Sophia's sequence was far more intense, from Shane's first freak-out moments to the end when Rick was the only one with the pair to go do the deed.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: jedipurge on March 21, 2014, 12:32 PM
i didn't like it
i get what ur saying jesse and i'm not saddened about it the way i was when hershel died. no attachment to these kids like hershel, i mean i figured they die eventually, but still. that just seemed wrong. a sister killing a sister. then carol having to kill the other wow. hasn't her character been thru enough. if i was in that situation i don't think i could've killed a child. probably wouldv'e locked her in the house n left her to her own demise/survival then looking at her and pulling a trigger just ouch don't think i could've done that. obviously she had mental problems that couldn't be dealt with in that world.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: CloneF13Y35 on March 21, 2014, 07:52 PM
with only two episodes - where did the second half go? The episodes have been good and I do feel like the story is moving forward. Where it goes though is what keeps it interesting
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BillCable on March 21, 2014, 09:38 PM
So THAT'S WHY Game of Thrones didn't start until April 6... 
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt_Fury on March 22, 2014, 01:23 AM
i didn't like it
i get what ur saying jesse and i'm not saddened about it the way i was when hershel died. no attachment to these kids like hershel, i mean i figured they die eventually, but still. that just seemed wrong. a sister killing a sister. then carol having to kill the other wow. hasn't her character been thru enough. if i was in that situation i don't think i could've killed a child. probably wouldv'e locked her in the house n left her to her own demise/survival then looking at her and pulling a trigger just ouch don't think i could've done that. obviously she had mental problems that couldn't be dealt with in that world.

This story sort of paralleled a story from the comics.  There were twin boys whose parents had been killed by walkers and Andrea and Dale (who were a couple in the comics), took up responsibility for watching them.  One brother killed the other similar to how it happened in the episode (I didn't hurt his brain, he'll come back).  While everyone in the group was debating on what they should do, it was Carl who shot him in the middle of the night.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: CloneF13Y35 on March 23, 2014, 10:48 AM
As much as I like to speculate about the story I've missed it by a mile. So all I"m gonna guess is the group finally reunites at Terminus at different times (couple days from eachother maybe). Rick, Carl and Michonne have been there the longest and are starting to get a feel for things (with Michonne being the voice of reason whether it's safe or not); then Maggie, Bob and Sasha show up followed the next day by Glen, Tara, Abraham and Eugene and lastly Carol and Tyreese with the baby. All to find out Beth and Daryl have been there after Beth was 'taken by car' and Daryl joined the group of 'claimers'.
Then the 'liquid chocolate hooey hits the spinning propeller device'...
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on March 23, 2014, 10:58 PM
Awesome episode, can't believe we're already to the season final already.

Tasha Yar at Terminus? Nice.

Glenn/Maggie reunion? Nice. Very telling moment for him in the tunnel with Tara too, I figured she would be a goner. He has really come into his own as a character.

I guess I get that Daryl maybe just needs to be with someone at this point, but how much longer is he really going to put up with those dbags? (And what, did he just doze off while they were beating that dude to death? He acts all surprised when he wakes up...)

I'm shocked those dumbasses were even able to figure out what happened back in the house with Rick. I don't recall one of them spotting him in that episode but maybe while he was running away? Revenge doesn't really seem to serve the self interests of a bunch of guys like that so I'm not sure I buy they would be going out of their way like that but I guess it serves to drive the story at this point.

TD with Glenn and Eugene was awesome, those guys had great insights to share.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Sybeck1 on March 23, 2014, 11:13 PM
One guy saw Rick under the bed before passing out
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: JediJman on March 24, 2014, 12:18 AM
Awesome episode, can't believe we're already to the season final already.

Tasha Yar at Terminus? Nice.

Glenn/Maggie reunion? Nice. Very telling moment for him in the tunnel with Tara too, I figured she would be a goner. He has really come into his own as a character.

I guess I get that Daryl maybe just needs to be with someone at this point, but how much longer is he really going to put up with those dbags? (And what, did he just doze off while they were beating that dude to death? He acts all surprised when he wakes up...)

I'm shocked those dumbasses were even able to figure out what happened back in the house with Rick. I don't recall one of them spotting him in that episode but maybe while he was running away? Revenge doesn't really seem to serve the self interests of a bunch of guys like that so I'm not sure I buy they would be going out of their way like that but I guess it serves to drive the story at this point.

TD with Glenn and Eugene was awesome, those guys had great insights to share.

+1

I don't get the revenge factor from those guys either.  Maybe that was a bogus line from the group leader and they're up to something else.  They seem capable of tracking Rick's group and can obviously follow the tracks like everyone else, but why?  If they're happy enough to kill one of their own guys for being a shmuck, would they really go that far out of their way to avenge another guy?  They just don't seem all that loyal to each other.  I do think the leader wants Daryl on his side, and killing off the other guy was a way to help bring him on over.  I'm pretty sure the leader is the one who stole the rabbit head to set all of that up.  His response to Terminus was curious as well.  I took it that there's no sanctuary for everyone because those guys are too rough around the edges, but I still have a very bad feeling about that place.  Given the clips at the end with Rick, it looks like some bad **** about to go down.  Sad to see the season finale just a week away...  :'(
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt_Fury on March 24, 2014, 01:50 AM
I think it fits with the claimer group that they would go after Rick.  Rick strangled one of their group to death and let him turn to use as a weapon against them.  They aren't above payback for that.

I never thought Terminus was the safe haven they were advertising...but I have know clue what the motive is for the obviously horrible things going on there.

Yes...there are some horrible things going on there.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Diddly on March 24, 2014, 03:47 AM
I really enjoyed that episode too, and count me in as another who can't believe the season is already over. Feels like nothing has happened but really a bunch of stuff has happened.

Something is definitely up at Terminus. What kind of safe haven has no security where anybody can just waltz in? I'm thinking they are cannibals or something (I know there were some in the comics but I started reading after that story arc). The weird overly nice chick mentioned something about a meal... I'm thinking that meal is the remains of Beth? I've been way wrong before though but that's my prediction.

The Abraham stuff was awesome too. "What kind of gamer are you?" "You're totally hot." That guy was definitely posting on 4chan before the zombies hit, might have even hit Emperor status on Rebelscum around 2003. Kind of cool to hear stuff like this since it's different from the usual "I'm a big badass" characters that are always coming along. I get that they would survive, but still cool to see these "everyday people" still out there in some capacity.

I don't know what the endgame is with the crossbow dudes either. I know they're fodder for Rick but like everyone said earlier, the revenge motive makes no sense since we've seen them off (or attempt to off) their own guys twice now.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on March 24, 2014, 08:36 AM
One guy saw Rick under the bed before passing out

I thought that guy was killed? Need to go back and re-watch that now...
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BrentS on March 24, 2014, 11:46 AM
One guy saw Rick under the bed before passing out

I thought that guy was killed? Need to go back and re-watch that now...

I thought he was just knocked unconscious in a classic "sleeper hold".

I was curious to go back and listen to the argument they had over the bed.  With Joe's rules of "claiming" a possession, I'm not sure how the fight over who got to lie down in that bed would have come about.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt on March 24, 2014, 12:08 PM
I hope Abraham, Rosita, and Eugene are the first to get eaten in Terminus because they are all horribly ridiculous characters.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: name on March 24, 2014, 12:24 PM
might have even hit Emperor status on Rebelscum around 2003.

(http://images.dailytech.com/nimage/30722_large_You_Win_The_Internet_Wide.png)
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: name on March 24, 2014, 12:25 PM
Was 90% sure they had jerked us around and were going to have Glen meet Walker Maggie in the tunnel.  Glad I was wrong.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: JediJman on March 24, 2014, 01:31 PM
I thought he was just knocked unconscious in a classic "sleeper hold".

I was curious to go back and listen to the argument they had over the bed.  With Joe's rules of "claiming" a possession, I'm not sure how the fight over who got to lie down in that bed would have come about.

Sleeper Hold, not dead.  I can't remember if the 2nd guy who comes into the bedroom says "claimed" or not, but I'm betting he did, hence the fight.  The title of that episode, by the way, is "Claimed."   ;)
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BrentS on March 24, 2014, 02:20 PM
I hope Abraham, Rosita, and Eugene are the first to get eaten in Terminus because they are all horribly ridiculous characters.

People who have read the comics seem to love those three characters.  I started reading them and stopped just when they were introduced.  I guess I want to try and stay spoiler free even though I know that books and show take drastic differences in characters and stories. 
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: JediJman on March 24, 2014, 06:23 PM
I hope Abraham, Rosita, and Eugene are the first to get eaten in Terminus because they are all horribly ridiculous characters.

People who have read the comics seem to love those three characters.  I started reading them and stopped just when they were introduced.  I guess I want to try and stay spoiler free even though I know that books and show take drastic differences in characters and stories.

The more the show focuses on these guys, the more I think people might be better suited to avoid reading about them for now.  There are some interesting plot twists on the horizon if they map to the stories.  That should come about pretty quick next season though if they're going to follow a similar story.  Beyond that, I think comic fans just like Eugene for his nerdiness, Rosita for her hotness and Abraham for his kick-assy-ness.  Abraham is bigger and less of a pushover in the comics.  He's fairly prominent just because he ends up being Rick's Left-Hand-Man for a while (pun intended). 
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on March 24, 2014, 08:50 PM
I loved Sunday's episode...  If the separation of the group was represented by the lack of seeing characters in an episode, I guess that could imply that Tyrese and Carol are maybe a ways off from all the other people at this point.  that's interesting to me.  They're lagging behind everyone perhaps?

I think it fits with the claimer group that they would go after Rick.  Rick strangled one of their group to death and let him turn to use as a weapon against them.  They aren't above payback for that.

This is exactly what I was thinking Matt... 

To me they want him dead because they're po'd, nothing more.  Far more selfish than the thought they're avenging a friend or anything like that.  They're not happy their member got killed maybe, but I think the motives to track Rick and kill him are pretty simple really and have nothing to do with comradery or anything like that.  Just PO'd someone did something to them.

I don't mind the Abraham group myself...  I think their characters haven't had much time to develop into anything since they're really just tagging along with Glenn at this point.  I assume all 3 become more important.  Rosita's really just eye-candy at this point and barely spoke till this episode.

Looking at us being at the end, my 3 most likely to die characters are:

-Carol
-Beth
-Bob

I have a different reasoning on each one...  I'll probably be wrong because other than Herschel I haven't guessed much right.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Sybeck1 on March 24, 2014, 10:10 PM
Anybody watch the slash show The Following? Well, Emily Kinney aka Beth was on it as a psycho girl who ultimately was killed at the end. Thought it notable she was moonlighting from Walking Dead in her character's absence.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BillCable on March 25, 2014, 08:10 AM
To me they want him dead because they're po'd, nothing more.  Far more selfish than the thought they're avenging a friend or anything like that.  They're not happy their member got killed maybe, but I think the motives to track Rick and kill him are pretty simple really and have nothing to do with comradery or anything like that.  Just PO'd someone did something to them.

I think it's because they know he has a woman with him.  Some lonely nights after the zombie apocalypse...
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: GrandMoffNick on March 25, 2014, 08:14 AM
Anybody watch the slash show The Following? Well, Emily Kinney aka Beth was on it as a psycho girl who ultimately was killed at the end. Thought it notable she was moonlighting from Walking Dead in her character's absence.

Didn't expect "Following" spoilers in this thread.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: name on March 25, 2014, 10:07 AM
  Rosita's really just eye-candy at this point and barely spoke till this episode.



Indeed.  Almost to the point of being annoying....it's one thing that every woman who survived to this point is a bit of a looker...it's TV.  Fine.   It's another thing altogether that Rosita is out there cosplaying a fanboy's Laura Croft.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on March 25, 2014, 11:13 AM
Ugh, pains me to hear those two shows mentioned in the same breath. (Sorry, I tried, but TF is just terrible)

My 2 potential theories on Terminus:

1) Cannibals

2) Crazy religious cult

Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BillCable on March 25, 2014, 11:38 AM
Terminus was pretty creepy how it was both tidy and completely empty.  I have no idea what to expect.  Cannibals seems kinda too obvious.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Qui-Gon Jim on March 25, 2014, 01:36 PM
1) Cannibals


NOT zombies that eat people.  What a great plot twist that would be.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on March 25, 2014, 03:03 PM
It's certainly bad, whatever it is...  I don't think I'd have gone anywhere too far into that place.  My gun would be with me, and I'd be near an exit.  Oh, and I'd be all, "Hey, are you Tasha Yar?  You lived down here and survived?  That's neat."
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Tracy on March 25, 2014, 03:40 PM
To me they want him dead because they're po'd, nothing more.  Far more selfish than the thought they're avenging a friend or anything like that.  They're not happy their member got killed maybe, but I think the motives to track Rick and kill him are pretty simple really and have nothing to do with comradery or anything like that.  Just PO'd someone did something to them.

I think it's because they know he has a woman with him.  Some lonely nights after the zombie apocalypse...
Yea - I'm just waiting for that d-bag group to see a woman and a yell "Claimed". Would suck for Glenn to finally get Maggie back only to haver her claimed.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on March 25, 2014, 03:59 PM
Yeah the bikers will probably be pissed if they see everyone together from the main group...  "You're hoarding all the hot women left!!!!"

That'd piss me off more than the zombie bomb Rick left at the house.  So much for their "This is a perfect world" theory.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Sybeck1 on March 25, 2014, 05:54 PM
It's certainly bad, whatever it is...  I don't think I'd have gone anywhere too far into that place.  My gun would be with me, and I'd be near an exit.  Oh, and I'd be all, "Hey, are you Tasha Yar?  You lived down here and survived?  That's neat."

So that's where that oil pit went to?
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on March 25, 2014, 06:23 PM
Burped her out, and protects the entire perimeter of Terminus?  It all comes full circle.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: CloneF13Y35 on March 26, 2014, 06:22 PM
Ugh, pains me to hear those two shows mentioned in the same breath. (Sorry, I tried, but TF is just terrible)

My 2 potential theories on Terminus:

1) Cannibals

2) Crazy religious cult

or maybe a weird combination of both...we'll find out soon enough...
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Tracy on March 26, 2014, 08:32 PM
"You look like you been on the road a while.  Let's get fix you a plate"  Cannibals - fatten them up a bit.  Maybe all of the food at the mortuary was a trap/way to fatten them up before dining on them.  Just floating a theory.........
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on March 26, 2014, 09:32 PM
Lotsa junk, that's possible...  I definitely think that car and the funeral home are tied to Terminus.  I feel like everyone wandered into Terminus with a pretty ho hum attitude.  Given the Woodbury experience, I'd have scoped the place out a bit from a distance first.

BTW ever notice nobody has binoculars?  Weird thought.  I keep some cheap rifle scopes in cars even, just for something to use if I need to.  I've picked up some binocs cheap at yard sales too, to keep handy.  To me that's one of those things you just have, yet nobody ever has these anywhere.  They're searching houses, they've got these packs of stuff, yet it's like nobody has some pretty basic things for survival.  Just a weird thought.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Force Guy on March 26, 2014, 09:41 PM
If it makes you feel any better Jesse, I have a monocle packed in my bug-out bag.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on March 26, 2014, 10:58 PM
That's because you're evil though.  I guess one of my rifle scopes is technically a long distance monocle.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BillCable on March 27, 2014, 06:49 AM
"You look like you been on the road a while.  Let's get fix you a plate"  Cannibals - fatten them up a bit.  Maybe all of the food at the mortuary was a trap/way to fatten them up before dining on them.  Just floating a theory.........

Fattening people up to eat them would be stupid.  If you have food it'd be far more efficient to eat it.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: JediJman on March 27, 2014, 07:21 AM
I'm with you.  It's not like you have a few candy bars and some soda and boom, instant fat anyway.  The cannibals wouldn't benefit from this in such a short period of time. I'm still not convinced the black car was Terminus.  Their game seems to be wait for survivors, not go kidnap them.  Maybe they had to resort to this because pickings have been slim?  I still can't get over the lack of security.  A rival group or pack of zombies could walk right in on that place.  And where the hell is everyone? Maggie and company need to be way more on guard.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt on March 27, 2014, 11:47 AM
Looking at us being at the end, my 3 most likely to die characters are:

-Carol
-Beth
-Bob

I have a different reasoning on each one...  I'll probably be wrong because other than Herschel I haven't guessed much right.

I'll give you Bob (he seems pretty expendable), and maybe even Beth (although I think she's probably safe), but you really think they'd kill off Carol in the finale? After that last episode she was in, and with whatever issues between her and Rick, and her and Daryl? She's become a fairly-interesting character, and I think they have more stuff for her to do in the future.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BillCable on March 27, 2014, 01:36 PM
You're right.  Only George R.R. Martin kills off characters just when they're getting interesting.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt_Fury on March 27, 2014, 01:50 PM
If it makes you feel any better Jesse, I have a monocle packed in my bug-out bag.

I laughed for 5 full minutes at this one...thanks!  :D
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Tracy on March 27, 2014, 04:42 PM
"You look like you been on the road a while.  Let's get fix you a plate"  Cannibals - fatten them up a bit.  Maybe all of the food at the mortuary was a trap/way to fatten them up before dining on them.  Just floating a theory.........

Fattening people up to eat them would be stupid.  If you have food it'd be far more efficient to eat it.

I was thinking more along the line of ritualistic/psychotic as opposed to Plane-Crash-in-the-Andes-type-situation.......
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: JediJman on March 27, 2014, 05:29 PM
I was thinking about this earlier...I wonder if cannibals would/could survive in the zombie apocalypse.  They've complicated things by saying everyone's already infected.  Obviously if you eat someone who was bitten, the virus is in accelerated mode and could turn you into a zombie via digestion.  But if the virus automatically accelerates once someone is dead, would it also accelerate within the body parts that are chopped off?  At the very least I think you would need to keep the host alive for as long as possible to prevent an acceleration in any of the pieces you eat.  And I certainly wouldn't trust cooking the meat to kill off the virus.  Seems like a very risky and unlikely way to survive - rituals or not.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on March 27, 2014, 06:19 PM
That's actually WHY I find the concept of offing Carol to be interesting, Matt...  She's just getting interesting, her main issue (Tyrese) is wrapped up now...  She has some Rick/Darryl ties too of course, but I could see them dumping Carol, maybe at the hands of the bikers?  Another reason for Darryl to turn on them.

Bob I hate saying him because he's boring, but he just seems likely.|

Beth, I kind of have the same rationale as Carol, where she just got interesting and boom, she's dead.  Kind of similar impact on Darryl mentally.  I dunno.

Not sure who else...  I keep thinking Maggie or Glenn, more to the Maggie side, but I picked my three and I'm sticking with them.  I'm sure I'm wrong though, yeah.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt on March 27, 2014, 08:03 PM
I've got a gut feeling that Carol and Tyreese will be the deus ex machina of this episode. They'll show up out of the blue to save someone's ass.

And I wouldn't be all that surprised if Michonne bites it. The way they've been playing up the bond between her and Carl this season, it seems like maybe they're setting her up for a really shocking death to get people talking.

Eh, I don't really care who dies as long as Maggie isn't one of them. Which means she's probably good as gone.

Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on March 27, 2014, 08:31 PM
I've felt like Michonne's not been played up much as the grand character she's supposed to be.  So that's the only thing that keeps me from picking her.

I could see the Carol/Tyrese saving someone angle though because by my estimation they're behind EVERYONE else at this point. (Maggie/Glen group at Terminus, Rick/Michonne/Carl behind them, Bikers/Darryl behind them, Carol/Tyrese behind them).

Wonder what happened to those other kids at the prison that were with Lizzie and her sister?  They ran back into the prison iirc?  That's something nobody really has acknowledged at all.  Just assume they're toast.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Tracy on March 27, 2014, 10:53 PM
That's actually WHY I find the concept of offing Carol to be interesting, Matt...  She's just getting interesting, her main issue (Tyrese) is wrapped up now...  She has some Rick/Darryl ties too of course, but I could see them dumping Carol, maybe at the hands of the bikers?  Another reason for Darryl to turn on them.


It could be the ultimate Shipper moment.  Daryl and the d'bag gang head into Terminus, Daryl spots Carol and yells "Claimed!"   ;D
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: GrandMoffNick on March 28, 2014, 04:12 PM
I don't want to do this, and I won't even say it out loud, but.......

N----!

Or at least something related to him.

I know it's way too early and I'm not right, but I have my reasons for thinking it.



Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jedi Idej on March 28, 2014, 06:32 PM
Beth and Daryl were getting too chummy. I think she bites it.

Tasha Yar screams cult to me. My guess is the Terminus group rounds up wandering walkers as food. Also explains why there aren't zombies and why the gates aren't securely closed or guarded.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: JediJman on March 28, 2014, 08:07 PM
I don't want to do this, and I won't even say it out loud, but.......

N----!

Or at least something related to him.

I know it's way too early and I'm not right, but I have my reasons for thinking it.

Are you thinking this is the Hilltop?  I don't think they've caught that far up yet.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt_Fury on March 30, 2014, 03:07 AM
There was a storyline in the comics called "The Hunters", which I thought would be too disturbing for the tv show.  After the whole Lizzie story, I think they could pull it off.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: CloneF13Y35 on March 30, 2014, 10:59 AM
well they did minimize the brutality of what the Gov did to Michonne in the comics vs Maggie on the show and what Michonne did to the Gov. But they do show a lot of brutality and violence so who knows for sure. One recent article with andrew lincoln suggests tonight's finale will have a level of 'darkness' about it the show hasn't gone to yet...
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: JediJman on March 30, 2014, 01:14 PM
There was a storyline in the comics called "The Hunters", which I thought would be too disturbing for the tv show.  After the whole Lizzie story, I think they could pull it off.

I think that storyline is pretty tame versus what we have seen so far.  The Woodbury arena, heads in aquariums,  Herschel's death were all far more disturbing for me.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: CloneF13Y35 on March 30, 2014, 01:48 PM
There was a storyline in the comics called "The Hunters", which I thought would be too disturbing for the tv show.  After the whole Lizzie story, I think they could pull it off.

I think that storyline is pretty tame versus what we have seen so far.  The Woodbury arena, heads in aquariums,  Herschel's death were all far more disturbing for me.
and the whole lizzie deal was very disturbing
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on March 30, 2014, 02:04 PM
Way too early for N---- and the Hilltop crew. They only just got out from the shadow of the Governor this season, it's too soon to introduce another singular uber villain from the same vein. I'm sure they'll get there eventually but they have a lot of ground to cover, both literally and figuratively, first.

Not sure what would push Rick to the breaking point tonight as teased...somehow I still feel worried for Judith. Happy reunion turned tragic?
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: evenflow on March 30, 2014, 06:49 PM
I still think this season has been a bore and the high point was offing Lizzie. I hope for some type of brutal ending tonight.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Sybeck1 on March 30, 2014, 08:02 PM
My guide on my directv says Andrew Lincoln is on Talking Dead tonight.........
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: CloneF13Y35 on March 30, 2014, 08:15 PM
that is correct - for the first time andrew lincoln will be on the talking dead after show along with showrunner scott gimple
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Tracy on March 30, 2014, 08:42 PM
Yep - that was announced on last weeks episode of TD
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Angry Ewok on March 30, 2014, 09:04 PM
Dawn of the Apes preview...  8)
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Sybeck1 on March 30, 2014, 10:39 PM
Carol will come to the rescue by having all the members of Terminus look at the pretty flowers
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Angry Ewok on March 30, 2014, 11:48 PM
That BBQ looks epic.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt_Fury on March 31, 2014, 02:17 AM
Is it October yet?
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Diddly on March 31, 2014, 05:50 AM
Another awesome episode, ending the season on a high note. So many unanswered questions though, mainly where are Beth and Carol/Tyreese.

How AWESOME was Rick biting that dude? That entire scene honestly creeped me out much more than Carol shooting psycho girl. Those guys were around one episode, but their deaths were just as satisfying as Governor's.

I was surprised at all the little things I caught during the episode. Pile of human remains that Rick and co. ran by right before they went into that tribute room, and Apple Store Employee saying something about "joining together makes us stronger" when distributing the food. Cannibals confirmed. Also the discussion about the Rabbit trap foreshadowing Terminus. Oh, and the Terminus people calling Rick and co. by nicknames. Goes back to earlier when Rick told Carl not to name the pigs since they'd have to eat them eventually.

And I guess there were other people in those train cars yelling for help? I assumed it was Glenn/Maggie/etc.

Oh and what was up with that doofus who got swarmed by those Zombies in the woods? How did he last that long? I mean he had at least a few minutes to, ya know, run away from that hoard in just about any direction instead of standing there like an idiot swinging his stick in a circle.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: GrandMoffNick on March 31, 2014, 08:42 AM
I think I felt about last night's episode the same way I felt about the season. Great episode. Great character development.

Joe thing was awesome. Haven't reached that scene's equivalent in the comics yet. Thought the Rick (and others) coming to terms with the fact that it is ok to be able to do what they are capable of doing now in this world was great. It may feel evil, but if it's to protect the ones you love then it is Ok. Doesn't make them a monster.

All that being said, my gut feeling is not enough happened this season. Can't totally explain why I feel that, but I do. Would have liked a little more info on Terminus with all the build up to the finale too.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: name on March 31, 2014, 09:04 AM
Pile of human remains that Rick and co. ran by right before they went into that tribute room,

I have no idea how I missed that...
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on March 31, 2014, 09:15 AM
Termites!

Thoroughly enjoyable, maybe not the same impact as previous finales, but felt like the perfect end to this season. I think I would have enjoyed a little more build-up before the Terminus villain-swerve, after all the time they spent getting there it just seemed to go bad a little fast.

That whole scene with Rick and co versus the scruffy dudes was so powerful that the rest of the episode felt a little flat by comparison. That was just brutal...Rick tearing the guy's throat out, Daryl stomping on that dude's head, and then Rick going to work on that sick, fat would-be rapist. Loved that the camera cut away to Carl's face and you could still hear him stabbing that POS! Hell yes.

I have to agree with Rick's assessment at this point - those Termites ARE screwed. Not exactly a bunch of bad-asses to begin with, Rick and crew strolling right through their "back door", being stupid enough to take the watch off Glenn, etc. Lots of creepy stuff going on there though...the room full of candles and the names on the floor, the cage of defleshed bones, etc. Eesh.

Nice that they worked in some extra scenes with Hersel and co...that was a nice parallel I thought.

Andrew Lincoln was great on TD...still freaks me out to hear that English accent.

Super psyched for next season, we're moving into uncharted territory now...
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Tracy on March 31, 2014, 11:24 AM

I was surprised at all the little things I caught during the episode. Pile of human remains that Rick and co. ran by right before they went into that tribute room, and Apple Store Employee saying something about "joining together makes us stronger" when distributing the food. Cannibals confirmed. Also the discussion about the Rabbit trap foreshadowing Terminus. Oh, and the Terminus people calling Rick and co. by nicknames. Goes back to earlier when Rick told Carl not to name the pigs since they'd have to eat them eventually.


They did a great job mirroring the situations.  Also - Carl asking Rick if they were going to tell the people at Terminus everything that has happened to them and all that they have done.  Rick saying they will tell them who they are - Carl responding with "How do we do that?".  We know our group's back story - so we can side with them in all that they have done to save the ones they love.  The Termites seem like pure evil to us - even though we would probably be more sympathetic to them if we knew them like we did our core group (not that we could necessarily stomach Rick & Co. eating other survivors).  They must have had run ins with other groups - they had Never Trust Again painted on the walls.


Oh and what was up with that doofus who got swarmed by those Zombies in the woods? How did he last that long? I mean he had at least a few minutes to, ya know, run away from that hoard in just about any direction instead of standing there like an idiot swinging his stick in a circle.

Maybe he somehow escaped Terminus and was running in a blind panic ???
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Sybeck1 on March 31, 2014, 01:36 PM
That bag of guns out in the woods will have to play a part in all of this. And where are Carol and Tyreese? Watching all of this from the trees?
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Morgbug on March 31, 2014, 02:48 PM
So many unanswered questions though, mainly where are Beth and Carol/Tyreese.

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That bag of guns out in the woods will have to play a part in all of this. And where are Carol and Tyreese? Watching all of this from the trees?

Carol and Tyreese are the cavalry come fall I expect.  No idea about Beth though I'm guessing she's suffering her own fate aside from Terminus. 
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on March 31, 2014, 09:56 PM
Some really good thoughts on the ending from you guys...  Diddly had awesome foreshadowing ideas I hadn't considered.  I'm leaning (was anyway but now more so) to them being cannibals at Terminus.  Also caught the bones though and that, to me, plus the creepy **** that was around, leads me to think Tasha Yar's a bit of a female governor herself + cannibal.

I totally agree that the height of the episode was Rick channeling his inner-Shane and going ape**** on the bikers.  Claim that, asshat.  Rick is, was, and always shall be THE badass in this show.  To me he always comes out as the one you would want in your group if you could only have one.  He gets ragged on for various things, but from putting down Sophia to this episode's freak-out and destruction of tough people with an upper-hand, it just all reinforced to me how Rick is hands down my favorite character on the show.  Love Darryl or Michonne all ya want, but Rick is where it's at! :)

I really think some people will be f'd up early next season in Terminus.  Now we have to wait.

Carol/Tyrese seemed a ways behind everyone in my estimation...  Given the "run" from that zombie hoard on the tracks after the doofus that got swarmed and I think that Rick/Carl/Michonne got that much further ahead of Carol/Tyrese, who now have that little mini-hoard blocking their path somewhat to Terminus.

I think Carol/Tyrese wind up playing a role in Rick & The Gang getting out of Terminus, and Carol does some major ass kicking perhaps.  It's her time to shine.

Beth, again I agree, she's somewhere else at this point I think.  Maybe not, but she's sort of forgotten at this point it seems.

The Terminus people were definitely herding Rick's group but I feel like they were also a far more inept group of people.  Rick's final words are going to ring true.  They're dead meat.  It's so weird this ended on a "dark" note but yet you almost look at the people with the upper hand as the ones in the most trouble.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: JediJman on April 1, 2014, 01:56 AM
Awesome finale - just finished watching it.  I love that everyone's reunited, or at least most of them now.  Smart that Rick planted those weapons out in the woods too.  There's a few big questions I have after this though...

#1 - why do they allow Rick's group to reclaim their weapons when they first get there?  Why not just pop up with the guns right away and force them to the box car?  Seems like a lot of wasted bullets and maze running just to disarm them and get them in a car, when they could have put the drop on them and done the same thing.

#2 - there were definitely other people in the other box cars when they ran by.  I wonder if there's anyone we know?  Beth maybe?

#3 - That bone pit/slaughter pen and Tasha Yar serving fresh cooked meat sure seems to support the cannibal theory.  "joining together makes us stronger?"  Ish.  I bet the food she is cooking has sedatives and that's how they knocked out Glenn's group.  The last line in the show is directly from the comic, so that was a nice clue thrown to the comic fans I think.

#4 - In the last episode with Carol and Tyrese, the girls see a stack of smoke followed by a swarm of freshly cooked zombies.  Any thoughts on where they came from?  I wonder if they are several days behind the others and those burnt bodies are from something that happens at Terminus?  Maybe Rick and Co set the place on fire to escape?  Seems like a room full of candles might help enable that.  I wonder if Dark-Rick throws his captors in a box car and burns them alive....I hope they go back and explain that part of the story next season.

#5 - A few episodes back, Tyrese tries to save those guys getting attacked by the tracks.  The last guy gets bit, but he tells them to go to Terminus as it is a "safe haven for children."  So, was he so demented that his dying words were to screw the people that just tried to save him?  Or do they maybe protect the kids that arrive?  Maybe they'll let Carl out and he'll turn the tide. 

Long wait until next season...   :-\
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Mikey D on April 1, 2014, 07:36 AM
#4 - In the last episode with Carol and Tyrese, the girls see a stack of smoke followed by a swarm of freshly cooked zombies.  Any thoughts on where they came from? 

The hillbilly palace Daryl and Beth burned after they hugged their feelings out.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Pete_Fett on April 1, 2014, 01:08 PM
#1 - why do they allow Rick's group to reclaim their weapons when they first get there?  Why not just pop up with the guns right away and force them to the box car?  Seems like a lot of wasted bullets and maze running just to disarm them and get them in a car, when they could have put the drop on them and done the same thing.

I was wondering the same thing, but then rationalized it based on the same theory you stated below:


#3 - That bone pit/slaughter pen and Tasha Yar serving fresh cooked meat sure seems to support the cannibal theory.  "joining together makes us stronger?"  Ish.  I bet the food she is cooking has sedatives and that's how they knocked out Glenn's group.  The last line in the show is directly from the comic, so that was a nice clue thrown to the comic fans I think.

That has to be how they subdue anyone who comes in. They pretend to be friendly, offer them food and drink, don't make the people who come in nervous by demanding them to turn over their weapons, merely to lower them.

Once the people eat the food, they've consumed sedatives and when they are unconscious they are relieved of their possessions and then put into a storage car for future slaughter.

I have to wonder if the folks at Terminus will be the show's version of The Hunters. The Hunters base of operations wasn't explored much in the comics that I recall, I think it was suburban homes surrounded by fences, so from a "realistic" standpoint, having the Hunters stationed at an abandoned freight train terminal that would have naturally been secured to a degree, to avoid loaded freight cars, from being robbed, seems like a much better place to set up shop.

Almost makes me wonder if the show is putting off having to move locale to Virginia as long as possible.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BillCable on April 1, 2014, 02:18 PM
Almost makes me wonder if the show is putting off having to move locale to Virginia as long as possible.

Georgia tax credit?
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: name on April 1, 2014, 03:24 PM
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/t1.0-9/s403x403/1960082_1437391033167113_1235274955_n.jpg)

THAT'S interesting.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: name on April 1, 2014, 03:25 PM
Pile of human remains that Rick and co. ran by right before they went into that tribute room,

I have no idea how I missed that...

Rewatched last night.  Clearly I blinked.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on April 1, 2014, 03:36 PM
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/t1.0-9/s403x403/1960082_1437391033167113_1235274955_n.jpg)

THAT'S interesting.

Very much so.  Hmmmmm....
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Pete_Fett on April 1, 2014, 06:01 PM
Agreed - VERY interesting...

Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on April 1, 2014, 09:32 PM
Damn, and no on thought to bring it up on TD!

They do some "inside joke" type stuff like that, putting a Boondock Saints poster up in the background for example, but I agree this is sort of different and creepy.

Very cool catch...
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on April 1, 2014, 10:56 PM
I'm gonna guess this isn't an inside joke, but something directly tied to the character...  Grandma to that family, perhaps?
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: JediJman on April 2, 2014, 07:05 AM
TWD posted that on their FB page last week, so I don't think it's a coincidence.  Is that the same house where Michonne found all the dead kids?  I'm sensing a flashback in our future...
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: jedipurge on April 8, 2014, 01:03 PM
arg!!! all there is is a red X now
whats the pic?

loved this episode, i fully expected Rick to have some Adamantium claws pop out. He went all animalistic, and at the end i wanted to hear 'cuz i'm the best at what i do bub' instead of they're screwed or whatever it was LOL.

Anyone see that box of powdered milk on the ground before Rick went into the box car? I expected Tyrese/Carol to be in there and the milk being for the baby. That HAS to be something right? He wouldn't have focused on that for no reason.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: JediJman on April 8, 2014, 06:05 PM
The picture still shows up for me.  Here it is again...

(http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff43/jman5544/Misc/WalkingDead_zps23e38604.jpg) (http://s243.photobucket.com/user/jman5544/media/Misc/WalkingDead_zps23e38604.jpg.html)

The flowers seem more coincidence to me, but that painting Michonne found is a dead on image of Tasha...
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on April 8, 2014, 06:12 PM
People were speculating the milk was for fattening up...  or it could just be that it keeps, who knows.

The original line from Rick in the BOxcar was "they're ******", and he wished they could've kept it a little more graphic and/or realistic.  I agree.  I'd deal with the bleeps and then on in-demand maybe they could have it unedited?
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: GrandMoffNick on April 21, 2014, 12:03 AM
I know I'm super late to the party and I knew it was coming, but just finished issue 100 of the comics and wow wow wow.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: JediJman on April 21, 2014, 01:25 AM
I know I'm super late to the party and I knew it was coming, but just finished issue 100 of the comics and wow wow wow.

Yeah, that was a rough one.   :-\
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Diddly on April 22, 2014, 12:07 AM
Oddly enough, I recently caught up to the latest issue (125). Great stuff, and each issue flies by. By the end of 125 I was cheering just as much as I did during the Season 4 mid-season finale.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt on July 6, 2014, 12:21 PM
If you just can't get enough of Chris Hardwick, good news! There's a new episode of Talking Dead airing tonight, previewing Season 5.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on July 6, 2014, 01:18 PM
#DeadWhiteandBlue

POINTS!
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt_Fury on July 27, 2014, 02:00 AM
Is it October yet? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j4GAs9TJVjM)
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on July 30, 2014, 11:32 PM
Enjoyed the trailer as well...  Saw some hyping about Glenn's scene but didn't really see it as what the hyping was about when you slowed it all down.

Lotta spoilers in that trailer though.  A lot.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Phrubruh on July 31, 2014, 09:30 AM
Ever wonder what the body count is up to on the Walking Dead?

Here is the top ten scoreboard for the most kills:
Walkers -488
The Governor - 139
The Flu - 33
Daryl Dixon - 25
Rick Grimes - 22
Merle Dixon - 17
Maggie Greene - 15
Shane Walsh - 14 (One Indirectly Caused)
Michonne - 12
Glenn Rhee - 11


http://walkingdead.wikia.com/wiki/List_of_Deaths_(TV_Series) (http://walkingdead.wikia.com/wiki/List_of_Deaths_(TV_Series))
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: JediJman on August 4, 2014, 04:59 PM
Is it October yet? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j4GAs9TJVjM)

Finally got around to watching this.  Wow.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Chris M on August 13, 2014, 08:31 AM
I was thinking about this the other day.

In Season 4 when Darryl, Tyreese, Michonne, and Bob make the supply run looking for antibiotics for the chicken flu, they heard some sort of really quick broadcast on the radio.  We also see Terminus making a broadcast at the end of the season.  Does anybody think they were the ones on the radio that was picked up or is that just coincidence and doesn't matter in the overall plot?
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt_Fury on August 13, 2014, 12:37 PM
If I recall, the "Previously on the Walking Dead" clip before the last episode, they showed the scene you're talking about implying it was a broadcast from Terminus.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on August 13, 2014, 07:29 PM
I thought it was directly said, by someone, "We heard someone broadcasting, blah blah blah".  I think it was directly addressed in the show at some point.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: GrandMoffNick on August 28, 2014, 03:16 PM
Finished "Volume 21" of the comic books on Tuesday. Interesting conclusion.........
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt on August 28, 2014, 08:25 PM
Sorry to quote something from last November but I just found this out today, and it's important. In reference to a guest on Talking Dead early last season:

No clue who the girl was but she can sit around looking cute too I guess

(http://i.imgur.com/ZFUKl4x.gif)

So not only is she hot, funny, and into zombie shows, but she's also from your town, sir!

Quote
Gillian Jacobs was born in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. Her mother, Martina Magenau Jacobs, was a Carnegie Mellon University director of alumni relations at the Heinz College. Her father, William F. Jacobs Jr., was an investment banker.[3] She was raised in Mt. Lebanon, Pennsylvania.[4] She is of French, German, Irish, and Scottish descent.[5] Her family owned the Jackson Koehler Eagle Brewery, established in 1847 in Erie, Pennsylvania, where her grandfather, John Martin Magenau Jr., served as President and CEO until its closure in 1978.[6]

Jacobs began studying acting at the age of eight, and attended acting classes on Saturdays at the Pittsburgh Playhouse while growing up.[4] She performed with the Pittsburgh Public Theater, where she was a perennial contender in the Public's Shakespeare Monologue Contest, leading her to be cast as Titania in its production of A Midsummer Night's Dream.[7] After graduating from Mt. Lebanon High School in 2000, Jacobs moved to New York City to attend the Juilliard School, where she was a member of the Drama Division's Group 33. She graduated with a Bachelor of Fine Arts in 2004.[4]

(http://i60.tinypic.com/11voemp.gif)
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on August 28, 2014, 11:08 PM
Ah she's from Mt. Lebo...  Overprivileged brat. :)

I think Dave Filloni is from there as well.  I know he's from that area.

I still don't have a clue who she is, but damn she was cute on TD.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on August 29, 2014, 03:13 PM
And now she's on Girls. But Lena Dunham is the one alyways getting naked.

Curse you, cruel irony!
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BillCable on September 5, 2014, 02:05 PM
AMC orders pilot episode of Walking Dead companion series. (http://deadline.com/2014/09/the-walking-dead-companion-series-pilot-order-at-amc-829840/)

Here's hoping they set it in Pittsburgh.   ;D
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on September 5, 2014, 03:36 PM
True dat.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Nathan on September 5, 2014, 03:45 PM
In a perfect world, it would be set in some other country, since what's going on around the world is always a topic of discussion in my viewing group. Given budgetary limits it's almost certain to be in the US, but it's still something.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Sybeck1 on September 12, 2014, 09:07 AM
So who is watching Z Nation tonight? Is it TWD meets Sharknado? We shall find out
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on September 23, 2014, 09:21 PM
Caught a little bit of it.  They're trying too hard to combine TWD with the DotD remake and infuse a little of their own "over-the-top" stuff they like to do with anything they make, and so I felt it came off pretty horrid.  Basically I watched 5 or 10 minutes and that was all I could stand.

THey really should just get the rights to every Star Trek series and movie, and air them non-stop forever.  It'd be their bread and butter.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: JediJman on September 24, 2014, 10:39 AM
I couldn't find any reference to Z Nation other than a band.  Is this a new series or a movie or what?  I've clearly been locked away working on the SW Room for too long...
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Sybeck1 on September 24, 2014, 01:04 PM
I couldn't find any reference to Z Nation other than a band.  Is this a new series or a movie or what?  I've clearly been locked away working on the SW Room for too long...
It is on SyFy channel at 9 pm central Fridays. It is lacking but I watch it with my 9 year old who loves zombies. 2 episodes in and they already have had a zombie baby and a zombie dog.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt on October 12, 2014, 12:34 PM
Sneak preview of tonight's episode?

(http://i.imgur.com/2HBKws1.jpg)
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BrentS on October 12, 2014, 10:02 PM
Awesome Episode. So glad it's back.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt_Fury on October 12, 2014, 11:47 PM
Just before Talking Dead started there was a scene of someone (won't mention because of spoilers) walking towards Terminus.  Was that part of the show?  A Preview?
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: GrandMoffNick on October 12, 2014, 11:52 PM
That was an excellent episode!

And thought the, trying not to say too much, baseball bat stuff with Glen was brilliant. Just enough to make you believe maybe..........
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Diddly on October 13, 2014, 05:51 AM
Yeah that was one of the best episodes they've done, ranking up there with the pilot and the season 4 mid-season finale.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Tracy on October 13, 2014, 08:14 AM
What?  No love for Carol?!?  I've defended her character (not necessarily on here) since The Farm - thought then she was a strong woman - possibly one of the strongest characters.  She definitely has come the longest way. Nice to see her take the lead and get her due  8)
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Sybeck1 on October 13, 2014, 09:09 AM
The crazy man that Glenn and Rick let out of the train car was the man who threw Mary back in the car after they raped her. Once Gareth took Terminus back over they locked him in the train car. I bet more flashbacks are coming
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BillCable on October 13, 2014, 09:34 AM
As much as they built up Terminus, I expected them to spend more time there.  Maybe explain the shrine stuff.  Though I can't complain about how the episode went down.  Also nice seeing accuracy with the tank not exploding just from gunfire.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on October 13, 2014, 12:56 PM
That was an unbelievably good premiere! FIVE GORY stars all the way!!!

So much going on:

The blood trough was a stroke of genius. I kept thinking to myself during that scene "Baseball is a TEAM sport!" LOL

Carol V Tasha Yar was great, I'll take Carol every time in that fight. Damn right let her get eaten!

SO GREAT to see them bash the Joker's head in first too. I didn't realize until TD aired that this was the same hippie kid with the lame girl from last season. Well played!

HTF do you even threaten to strangle a baby? Jesus, that guy was a POS...he deserved every face-crushing blow Tyreese rained down on him.

Really disappointed we did not get closure on %^&* Gareth though. I'm sure since he is getting his own action figure we have not seen the last of him either.

Getting the group more or less back together was great to see, esp Rick and Judith and Tyreese and Sasha. Aw, and Daryl even hugged Carol!

Yes, that was definitely Morgan at the end. Who is leaving the carved X though? The people that took Beth?

BETH?!?!?!

Also loved the parade of splatter and the detail given to the zombies this season, as Nicotero noted on TD, they're starting to decay and decompose more noticeably now. Seem a lot more skeletal.

Great stuff!
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: JediJman on October 13, 2014, 03:27 PM
As much as they built up Terminus, I expected them to spend more time there.  Maybe explain the shrine stuff.  Though I can't complain about how the episode went down.  Also nice seeing accuracy with the tank not exploding just from gunfire.

Ditto to all the raving about last night's episode.  Lots going on and glad they got through so much awesome story in just one show.  Sets them up nicely for the rest of the season without getting trapped in one place for so long (looking at you Prison episodes).  That said, I thought they might be there a little longer, and I'm with those who wanted a little more backstory on what happened.  Maybe we'll get a good flashback episode as I'm sure Gareth will be back.   The only piece that really kind of bothered me was Carol shooting the firecracker at an arc exactly where it needed to go.  If she was launching straight line or missed the first time, that would have sat better with me, but that was one fairly unrealistic bullseye IMHO.  Super excited to see the friendly face at the end and hoping to get some news on Beth soon.  Its a little surprising how many wandering people are still alive this far into the show.  You'd think only people that set up camps of some kind would still be left.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt_Fury on October 13, 2014, 05:18 PM
As much as they built up Terminus, I expected them to spend more time there.  Maybe explain the shrine stuff.  Though I can't complain about how the episode went down.  Also nice seeing accuracy with the tank not exploding just from gunfire.

I'm willing to bet we'll see more through flashbacks.  From the season 5 previews, we'll see Gareth again.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BrentS on October 13, 2014, 05:24 PM
As much as they built up Terminus, I expected them to spend more time there.  Maybe explain the shrine stuff.  Though I can't complain about how the episode went down.  Also nice seeing accuracy with the tank not exploding just from gunfire.

I'm willing to bet we'll see more through flashbacks.  From the season 5 previews, we'll see Gareth again.

No way are we finished with the gang at Terminus yet.  Rick still owes Gareth a red handled machete.

I bet we end up with an entire Terminus / Gareth episode(s) like we had with the Goveror/Brian from last season. 
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: GrandMoffNick on October 13, 2014, 05:27 PM
Our we sure Tyrese killed the baby threatening guy? I think he couldn't finish him off. And that'll bite the group in the ass later. Probably literally.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on October 14, 2014, 04:32 AM
I think you might be right on that Nick...  They intentionally didn't show that I think.  Tyrese maybe hid something.  They'd have showed him beat the guy to death if they were going to go that route I do believe.

Outstanding episode, start to finish...  I too put it up there as the best opening this show has had since the Pilot episode.  Violent, tense, layered (though all in one area more or less).  The flashbacks set up some of the Termites and their ultimate return...  Like the Governor, you're the way you are for a reason, and they're no different.

Just outstanding.

I'm pretty ok with all the action, even Carol's fireworks display.  That's a big propane tank.  You don't have to hit much of that with it spewing that much gas.  Just a spark, and most bottlerockets pop with a lot of sparks.  She also had it fired from that rifle barrel and believe it or not a metal tube is about all you need to launch a bottlerocket with accuracy!  Suffice it to say I played with illegal fireworks as a kid, a lot.  :-\ (RIP, many GI Joes)  I can see it working actually.  Though she didn't seem to have random fireworks around her all the time to really know what to do, maybe it was just a good guess?

The final scene, post-credits, was fantastic.  People always are asking, and that was a nice nod to fans to throw them a bone!  I loved it.

Tracy, I'm with you on Carol.  Don't know about if you watch TD all the time but they polled people on Carol taking over the group since she showed clear leadership skills here, and she lost miserably, but I was honestly thinking she maybe should be the group's leader.  Biggest problem with that now though, is she's one of many.  Rick's obviously in a better leadership position when he's in Shane-Mode like now, Abraham's not a poor leader...  Glenn's emerged a little (and where there is Glenn, there is Maggie), but not completely.  Sprinkle in a dash of Darryl and Sasha too...   I think the group's back to group decisions to some degree, but much more intelligent group decisions than before.

And if I may say, Conan's the finest non-show guest they've ever had on Talking Dead...  Seriously.  "I'd have died on a sunscreen run".  I lol'd.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Qui-Gon Jim on October 14, 2014, 12:32 PM
I got a GD'd speck of dust in my eye when Rick got Judith back in his arms.

This episode was excellent.  This was a huge screw you to the same critics of every season (It starts slow, they stay in one place too long, etc, etc.)

I also agree that Conan was a great guest on TD.  He didn't stick out, which is high praise when you're sharing the couch with Nicotero and Gimple who are always great.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: JediJman on October 14, 2014, 04:33 PM
Our we sure Tyrese killed the baby threatening guy? I think he couldn't finish him off. And that'll bite the group in the ass later. Probably literally.

Great call.  Didn't even think of that, but it totally makes sense.  I wonder if the hunters will realign a bit more with the comic, where the smaller group ends up capturing and eating one of Rick's crew at some point.  You know its going to happen, but its going to be tough to lose anyone from the current group now that they've put a good amount of development into them.  Maybe Sasha or Rosita?  Its going to be interesting to see how they survive without a home base for a while as well.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Diddly on October 15, 2014, 06:08 AM
There's always Bob. In fact, had they swapped Glenn and Bob at the drainage trough I would have totally believed they were about to off him, and that the group was actually in danger.

I had to go back and check the post-credits scene since I missed it (figured it was some stupid Hardwick gag)... pretty cool and apparently the vines around the sign had grown meaning it happens some time after the episode. Apparently they're going to be doing a lot of flashbacks/forwards this season.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on October 15, 2014, 08:37 PM
His reaction to the tree makes me think Ricks leaving that mark but I don't recall that mark being important.  The character reacted though, like it was a good thing. 
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: GrandMoffNick on October 16, 2014, 01:06 PM
Wave 7 of TWD action figures has a Gareth in it. I would think that means his character will still have a pretty big role going forward this season.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Phrubruh on October 16, 2014, 01:11 PM
(https://media.giphy.com/media/MGrTxc3nFXeSs/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BillCable on October 16, 2014, 04:27 PM
Very cool Easter Egg! (http://comicbook.com/2014/10/14/was-that-walker-andrea-in-the-walking-dead-season-5-premiere-/)
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on October 16, 2014, 05:04 PM
Not ready to call it that yet...  There was a ton of evidence contradicting it...  For now anyway.  It is sloppy if that is the intent though.  Very sloppy.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BillCable on October 16, 2014, 05:45 PM
I don't think we're going to get any further exploration of the topic via the show.  Either the wardrobe dept took a lot of liberties, or it was intentional.  With as detail-oriented as the showrunners seem to be, and given that this was a highlighted kill, I doubt this is something that'd slip past.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on October 19, 2014, 01:31 PM
Might come up in TD sometime...  I'm curious now tho.  The cuffs are a weird thing to stick on a zombie at random for sure.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Tracy on October 19, 2014, 10:10 PM
Our we sure Tyrese killed the baby threatening guy? I think he couldn't finish him off. And that'll bite the group in the ass later. Probably literally.

Great call.  Didn't even think of that, but it totally makes sense.  I wonder if the hunters will realign a bit more with the comic, where the smaller group ends up capturing and eating one of Rick's crew at some point.  You know its going to happen, but its going to be tough to lose anyone from the current group now that they've put a good amount of development into them.  Maybe Sasha or Rosita?  Its going to be interesting to see how they survive without a home base for a while as well.

Nick - Good call on Tyrese not killing the Judith threatener.  He is back with his old game.   

Once again tho - can we PLEASE keep the comic spoilers/references out of this thread?  I don't want to know! 
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on October 19, 2014, 10:22 PM
Where was Carol going when Daryl caught her sneaking off?

Why was the guy Tyreese beat not bruised at all? (Good call on that BTW, didn't think we would see him again so soon)

What did Father Gabriel do? Guessing he just locked the church and wouldn't let anyone in went things went bad?

WTF was going on with Bob before he got nabbed? I was absolutely sure he had been bitten or scratched at the Food Bank and was sneaking off to run away or kill himself. He seemed pretty distraught outside the church there. Weird.

Glad someone is on the way to rescue Beth!
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Sybeck1 on October 19, 2014, 10:36 PM
Rick was right, you can't let threats linger out there or they come back and bite you later
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: GrandMoffNick on October 19, 2014, 11:22 PM
Haven't you read the comics McMetal? I figured you must have with your knowledge of the exclusive comic figures.

Going forward I will try and keep any comments I make here from having any previous knowledge from the comics in them. So about this episode.................. Um............... Gabriel............. Stuff about Bob................

Thought the Carol getting ready to leave???? thing was interesting, but not necessarily in a good way. Get over it! Glad we are going to find out what's up with Beth. Glad we use grape juice and not real wine at my church. I hate wine.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Sybeck1 on October 19, 2014, 11:39 PM
Wow Carol, nice jugs  :D :D
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Diddly on October 20, 2014, 05:39 AM
Rumor is there's a Beth-centric episode coming in 2 weeks so I'm assuming that's the next time we actually see her.

I was kind of preoccupied during the last 30 minutes (plan to rewatch later), wasn't that Gareth the Terminus leader at the end there with Bob? Or was it fireworks guy?
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: GrandMoffNick on October 20, 2014, 06:33 AM
Rumor is there's a Beth-centric episode coming in 2 weeks so I'm assuming that's the next time we actually see her.

I was kind of preoccupied during the last 30 minutes (plan to rewatch later), wasn't that Gareth the Terminus leader at the end there with Bob? Or was it fireworks guy?

Gareth was the one talking to him (and eating him), but fireworks guy was there in the background eating him.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BillCable on October 20, 2014, 09:05 AM
WTF was going on with Bob before he got nabbed? I was absolutely sure he had been bitten or scratched at the Food Bank and was sneaking off to run away or kill himself. He seemed pretty distraught outside the church there. Weird.

I think he was overcome with joy.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on October 20, 2014, 10:03 AM
Haven't you read the comics McMetal? I figured you must have with your knowledge of the exclusive comic figures.

Yeah, but it's been so long I couldn't remember. I went back and read up last night though, now it all comes back.  ;)

I don't see the problem with discussing the comic stuff in here, the shows veers wildly away from the comic plots generally, so knowing one thing doesn't necessarily spoil the other.

I think it would have been cooler if Bob had been bitten and those dbags had eaten his infected leg. (Yes, I know everyone's infected but something about being bitten seems to hasten the process)

I also think Gareth is full of crap about it not being personal. There were plenty of dead people back in Terminus they could have eaten. Like his Mom.

Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: GrandMoffNick on October 20, 2014, 12:13 PM
What's to say Bob wasn't bitten?
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BillCable on October 20, 2014, 12:41 PM
What's to say Bob wasn't bitten?

Lack of symptoms.  The fact that the cannibals ate him.  Pretty sure they'd inspect their food before chomping down.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: GrandMoffNick on October 20, 2014, 02:01 PM
What's to say Bob wasn't bitten?

Lack of symptoms.  The fact that the cannibals ate him.  Pretty sure they'd inspect their food before chomping down.

Sorry Tracy. Didn't stop them in the comics
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BrentS on October 20, 2014, 09:04 PM
Is it me or did it seem like Bob and Gareth had a history, beyond what recently happened at Terminus?
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt_Fury on October 20, 2014, 09:07 PM
Is it me or did it seem like Bob and Gareth had a history, beyond what recently happened at Terminus?

That scene was straight out of the Comics.  Although it was Dale and not Bob.  Don't worry Tracy, that's all I'll say.   ;D
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Greg on October 20, 2014, 09:38 PM
I think it would have been cooler if Bob had been bitten and those dbags had eaten his infected leg. (Yes, I know everyone's infected but something about being bitten seems to hasten the process)

I also think Gareth is full of crap about it not being personal. There were plenty of dead people back in Terminus they could have eaten. Like his Mom.

I wouldn't be surprised if Bob ends up revealing a bite or scratch in the next episode... it would explain why he left the church to go off alone. Plus it seems like the producers love to have an ambiguous setup leading to a "surprising reveal" later on, like the guy Tyreese "killed" at the cabin showing up at the campfire Bob-B-Q.

I somewhat disagree about the whole "nothing personal" bit. After the systematic slaughter of those four guys at Terminus and the casual attitude of the Termites, I can believe that they have become totally "shut off" and view other humans solely as food. That makes Gareth and the others much scarier, as they have pretty much become living versions of the zombies... focused solely on food and unable to be reasoned with. Though I will say I think Gareth is taking pleasure in hunting Rick's group after what happened at Terminus.

Is it me or did it seem like Bob and Gareth had a history, beyond what recently happened at Terminus?

I didn't really get that vibe, but it is an interesting idea. My thinking is just that Bob had talked/pleaded with Gareth while his group was captured and in the train car prior to Rick's arrival. It could be interesting though if it ends up being revealed that Bob had passed thru when Terminus was a real sanctuary, or if he was a resident who had escaped when that hostile gang invaded.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Sybeck1 on October 26, 2014, 09:46 PM
A promise was kept
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Diddly on October 26, 2014, 10:53 PM
Another great episode tonight, really a TWD comic fan's wet dream. SO GLAD they're not stretching out the Hunters arc. I really want to see who was hiding behind Daryl in the trees.

Minor nitpick: the group splitting up again.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: evenflow on October 27, 2014, 01:30 AM
3 great episodes in a row. Have to say I am impressed and have been proven wrong. I was really losing interest after last season.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on October 27, 2014, 09:11 AM
#TaintedMeat!!!

What a great episode, probably one of my favorites in recent memory. The sheer cathartic thrill from watching Rick & co brutally slaughter those worthless dbags in the church was exquisite. God, that was sweet. I knew we would see that red handled machete again!

Great scenes with Bob throughout the episode, by the end you really felt the weight of his loss. Optimists are a rare breed in that world...he will be missed.

I did not get the whole splitting-up-the-group thing either. Why did Maggie and Glenn have to go on the bus? I know this was discussed as some part of the bargain, but it ultimately seems a bit pointless. I liked the note Abraham left on the map for Rick though, nice touch.

Two minor things bothered me about last night's episode though. #1, how in the Hell would Gareth have known everyone's names? They weren't at Terminus long enough to glean that info and Bob sure as hell wasn't talking. I can see knowing a couple of them but not every single one. #2, how in the Hell would Gareth have known it was Carol who killed his Mom? It's not like he was in the room, if he had found her later it would have just appeared she had been torn apart by walkers. Doubtful he would have even noticed she had been shot, and he certainly wouldn't know by whom.

I know i am in the minority on this, but I am convinced Gareth was wrong and that eating the tainted meat was in fact, a very bad thing. Cooking, IMO, would have had no effect on the escalation of the virus. And I'm pretty sure this would have hastened everyone "turning" had they not all been killed. I know the pathology of the virus is intentionally vague, but that's how I make sense of it in my head.

Yeah, great cliffhanger at the end there with Daryl. Does he have Beth, or Carol? Or both? And why would they have been hanging back in the shadows? Gruseome injuries perhaps? CAN'T WAIT TIL NEXT WEEK!!
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BillCable on October 27, 2014, 11:57 AM
Yeah - the group split makes no sense.  Abraham wanted to leave because he perceived a threat to Eugene.  That threat was eliminated.  Now there's no reason to leave immediately.  I suspect it's for story-telling.  It's a lot easier to plot an episode with 6 mains than it is 12.

Hard to know if cooking will sterilize tainted meat.  If it's a venom-based toxin (mainly delivered through saliva), hard to know if it'd present in the meat, or if cooking it would make it inert.  Cooking spoiled meat, in general, doesn't make it palatable.  It's pretty clear tainted blood has no effect when splattered all over the body, open wounds, eyes or mouth.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Sybeck1 on October 27, 2014, 12:34 PM
Maybe possibly it is Carol that Darryl calls up to join him. They followed to car, saw where Beth was being held and came back for some muscle to get her out.

With Glenn somewhere else it might give a chance for Rick and Tyreese to become bros.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on October 28, 2014, 06:36 PM
Some thoughts...

On Abraham leaving, they've brought it up about his character that Rick has his mission, and Abraham has his, and Abraham's possible flaw (or advantage) is he's completely focused on his "mission" and I think the mission is what his leaving is all about...  He says there's a threat to Eugene so he's leaving.  Maggie/Glenn convince him if he sticks around 12 hours to help deal with the Hunters they'll go with him, no questions, no hassle.  He wants that, so he agrees.  He leaves, they leave with him.  He is on his mission, and his mission doesn't include looking for Darryl/Carol, which is what Rick wants to stay and do.  Abraham's leaving is about leaving Darryl/Carol and continuing the DC trip, is the way I see it.  So to me it makes sense I guess.

Garreth knows Carol, Tyrese, and Judith's names via Tyrese's goon he let go.  He knew Bob's name back at Terminus, Rick as well if I recall, back at the trough.  It's tough to say how long they were being held because there's not a clear cut timeline on that...  The group look to have worked on their weapons a little while though, so I'm ok with suspending disbelief that he learned the names of the captives quickly and got the last 3 from the guy Tyrese didn't kill.

The slaughter of the Termites in the church was OUTSTANDING.  Every bit as satisfying, if not a little more quick, as the Claimers being killed.  I think it is personal with Garreth, but I think it's a personal thing that goes back to the takeover of Terminus from them.  I think that eating people is clearly not a necessity, so they do it for some reason beyond that.  They can hunt.  They can gather.  The ability to maintain a society that way is clear with Woodbury, so I think the Termites maintain the "it's not personal" thing for their own psyche, but they're all doing what they do because it's personal.  At the very least the core ones (Garreth, his mother, etc.).

No clue on the tainted meat thing...  I'd go with whatever you say on that Bill.  All I can add is that people won't eat meat from a kill if say the intestines or whatever are punctured and contaminate the meat.  It's why gutting a deer is so important that it's done right.  I dunno.  I can go either way thinking the cooking helped reduce risk or it didn't and they were all going to die.  Ingesting stuff puts it in your bloodstream, so does the bite it seems, sooooo...  I dunno.  Maybe they'll never get to explaining that type of stuff?

I couldn't gather whether Rick & Co. came back on purpose, and lured the Termites in on purpose, or if they just happened back for some reason?  They didn't seem to explain that.  I like to think Rick did that on purpose, and basically used everyone in Gabriel's office as bait, more or less.

Gabriel's big character flaw is he's a coward then?  I'm underwhelmed. 

I think Darryl has Morgan with him, or someone new, but not Carol.  I just don't see why he'd keep her back (she's as competent as he is, and she knows the group and they know her).  Morgan you'd keep back because he doesn't know everyone to see them...  I dunno.  I'm just betting it's not Carol.

That's all I can gather. 

Wherever Beth is, it sure looks populated.   :-X
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BillCable on October 29, 2014, 08:20 AM
I couldn't gather whether Rick & Co. came back on purpose, and lured the Termites in on purpose, or if they just happened back for some reason?  They didn't seem to explain that.  I like to think Rick did that on purpose, and basically used everyone in Gabriel's office as bait, more or less.

They came back on purpose.  Leave in a big display, knowing they're being watched.  Hide out while the hunters go into the church.  Then go back.

The main reason it was confusing was because they filmed it to be confusing... they omitted the part about coming back from the planning scene so it'd be a surprise.  You were led to believe that they were actually going to the school.  Worked well in creating an amazing sense of tension, but not particularly honest.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Mikey D on October 29, 2014, 11:54 AM
^
That scene where we see Rick's group leave then it stays on the church sign for a bit and then the Termites come into the frame was awesome.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on October 29, 2014, 08:21 PM
I liked the scene, but they never outright say that's what happened...  Like I say, I want to believe that's the mode of thinking.  Rick did it on purpose.  Rick's the smarter guy, etc.  But Rick's group doesn't ever discuss "Hey, we'll leave, leave these guys here as bait, and come back and trap the termites" either...  It's such a quick turn-around I tend to think that lends itself to the "Rick did it on purpose" theory, but again they don't outright say that's the plan...  Actually Rick talks about catching them at the school, no?

I'm still going with the idea Rick used Carl & Co. to lure in the Termites and corner them, regardless, but it's a topic I'd have liked to have seen brought up on TD or something...  wasn't a good group to bring it up with either though.  Only Garreth would know I suppose.  Slash was kind of a dickhole.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Qui-Gon Jim on October 31, 2014, 10:13 AM
Someone did say it was a risky plan.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt on November 2, 2014, 09:48 PM
Fourth-worst episode of Grey's Anatomy ever.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: GrandMoffNick on November 3, 2014, 12:40 AM
Fourth-worst episode of Grey's Anatomy ever.

Fourth worst episode of the Walking Dead ever
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on November 3, 2014, 09:48 AM
Raised by Hershel...trained by Daryl.  ;D Can we get a Beth Greene action figure already?

I enjoyed this, definitely a departure from the norm, but always interesting to get a glimpse into other survivors and the twisted worlds they create for themselves.

Dawn/Don - (no idea what they were saying all episode) what kind of an appalingly soulless human do you have to be to facilitate the institutionalized rape of your fellow women? What a loathsome POS, hope she gets the end she desevres.

Seemed kinda weird that she would be the one still in charge, and exempted from any of the other brutality. But I guess that was sort of the point, that they had this bizarre "system" that everyone observed, although the whole thing was seemingly starting to veer out of control.

I sort of wanted to like the doctor at first but by the end it seemed like he was just as complicit as the rest, and certainly motivated by his own self interest.

Was the kid from Richmond the same actor who played the young Chris Rock on that show a few years back? He seemed really familiar, as did Dawn/Don, but I could not place her either.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BillCable on November 3, 2014, 10:36 AM
That was indeed Everybody Hates Chris.  Kinda pulled me out of the episode.

It was weird to see everything so perfectly clean, and all the equipment up and running.  And it didn't seem like a system that'd hold together very well.  Not with so few jailers.  Class warfare among a dozen people - not very stable.

Heck of a twist at the end, though!
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Diddly on November 3, 2014, 10:54 AM
I must be in the minority because I really enjoyed that episode. There was just something about seeing these ******** who think they know what's best for everyone and claim that they're protecting everyone, and then watching Beth tear their stuff up with relative ease because she actually HAS been through things. I enjoyed the flashback to that random episode where she was a cutter too.

I'm honestly kinda bummed it looks like we won't have a conclusion for a few weeks. Great cliffhanger ending there, although really the whole season has been really good with them. Has me wondering what happened there, and how it all ties back to Daryl in the woods with Michonne. I'm thinking Carol and Daryl run across Lil Chris Rock at some point and send Carol in to infiltrate and bring him back...

Was I the only one hoping to see the Vatos from Season 1 again since we were back in Atlanta?
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Sybeck1 on November 3, 2014, 12:31 PM
http://walkingdead.wikia.com/wiki/Television_Show_Timeline

According to this timeline it has only been 11 days since the governor stormed the prison up to where we are now
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BillCable on November 3, 2014, 01:48 PM
Busy fortnight!
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt_Fury on November 3, 2014, 05:05 PM
http://walkingdead.wikia.com/wiki/Television_Show_Timeline

According to this timeline it has only been 11 days since the governor stormed the prison up to where we are now

That sounds about right.  Remember the second half of last season we jumped around a lot and that mixed the timeline up quite a bit.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BrentS on November 3, 2014, 08:35 PM
I don't know of I buy that the group was only in the train car for one day.  They basically are saying there was no time lapse between the end of last season and the beginning of this season. I assumed they were there for a little while at least. 
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BillCable on November 3, 2014, 09:01 PM
No food no water - they weren't in the train car for more than 2 days.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on November 3, 2014, 11:58 PM
Who's to say they weren't given food/water?  Unless they stated that and I just don't recall it of course. 

I agree, I debate that timeline some.

I would think they're a hike from Atlanta too...  I mean, it seemed like the Prison wasn't just next door to there.  It wasn't next door to Terminus either...  I dunno.

It wasn't my favorite episode either.  I agree about Beth wrecking things and the twist at the end...  and I assume the "You can come out now" line was meant for Everyone Hates Chris now, since the twist is back at the hospital with Beth & Co.

I agree on the cleanliness of the place...  The car batteries gave it a little more believability but the reality is after 3 years, that few people, middle of Atlanta...  Stuff not jiving as much.  We'll see though.  How do the fuzz get in/out of that building too?  They seem to do so freely, and get to their little hoard of cars, but yet the outside is overrun...  weird.

Looks like the 2nd Group is going to run into stuff and have to go back to Rick & Co.

They split up, it's slowing down...  Hopefully it gets ugly again.  This wasn't a great episode.  OK parts, but not great.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Greg on November 4, 2014, 09:13 AM
Who's to say they weren't given food/water?  Unless they stated that and I just don't recall it of course. 

There were some bowls and some food/drink type item near the entrance of the train car in the season 4 finale, so I think they were feeding Glenn and friends something (ensure or powdered milk maybe). It makes sense that the Termites would give their captives something to keep a bit of meat on their bones. I doubt they rushed to feed them again after the gunfight with Rick though.
 
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BillCable on November 4, 2014, 10:48 AM
It's actually way more efficient to slaughter them for food immediately than to feed them.  It takes way more food to fatten up someone or even to maintain their weight.  You'd be better off eating that food yourself.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on November 4, 2014, 06:19 PM
But they had others trapped (not just the guy who was part of the group that overran them) at the end of the previous season...  It's possible Rick & Co. were further down the line to be slaughtered.  I agree, I don't know that they'd have kept them long term though.  Waste of time, plus they were curing meat by smoking it for long-term saving it...  I think it's reasonable to think they'd leave them in the car for a while, if even to just weaken them.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: evenflow on November 5, 2014, 03:48 PM
This past weekends episode was so boring. I guess it is expected after 3 great episodes.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Sybeck1 on November 6, 2014, 09:45 AM
I hate they are going to the Abraham arc next. I want to see how Rick and Co. rescue Carol and Beth in a hospital with snipers on the roof
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Morgbug on November 9, 2014, 10:15 PM
Was the sound on this episode sketchy for anyone else?  Seemed to be cutting out a bit fairly frequently. 
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Tracy on November 9, 2014, 10:23 PM
Was the sound on this episode sketchy for anyone else?  Seemed to be cutting out a bit fairly frequently.
Check the batteries in your hearing aids - see if that helps  :-*
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Morgbug on November 9, 2014, 10:34 PM
Was the sound on this episode sketchy for anyone else?  Seemed to be cutting out a bit fairly frequently.
Check the batteries in your hearing aids - see if that helps  :-*

(http://sd.keepcalm-o-matic.co.uk/i/keep-calm-and-shut-up-biatch.png)

 :)
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Tracy on November 9, 2014, 10:47 PM
Just as grumpy and lovable as ever!  :) No sound problems here. But I am geeking out over the Carol/Daryl episode next week!
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: GrandMoffNick on November 9, 2014, 11:05 PM
First revelation in the show that I have been disappointed to already know from the comic
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt_Fury on November 10, 2014, 01:13 AM
Was the sound on this episode sketchy for anyone else?  Seemed to be cutting out a bit fairly frequently.

The sound cut out for us during the first segment.  Of course we are watching it here on DirecTv and AMC is in a fight with them over whether or not to air the channel.  So we get a lot of fear advertising which is quite annoying.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on November 10, 2014, 08:54 AM
Probably my least favorite episode of the season so far. I imagine the people who thought last week's episode was slow probably snoozed right through this one.

I'm glad they finally dropped the other shoe with Eugene...was wondering how long they would string that out. That was quite an ass-whooping he took at the end there!

The firehose slaughter had to be the highlight of the episode though. Man, they just keep finding new, interesting ways to kill zombies. Soggy zombie will be a must for the figure line.

Good episode of TD afterwards too, Eugene noted that his earlier mishap with the gun where he "killed" the truck was indeed intentional. And Abraham gave some helpful, if disturbing, backstory on his flashbacks. (Note to apocalyptic scumbags: you probably don't want to rape the family of the 6 foot tall, muscle bound ex-military guy. I mean, seriously?)

That better not be Beth under the sheet next week. And why does Daryl look all beat up? He wasn't that way when he left with Carol right?
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: GrandMoffNick on November 10, 2014, 09:21 AM
I thought the Beth episode was bad and not because it was boring. Just bad. I enjoyed this episode. Nothing boring about it. Assuming they are going same route with Abraham's back story as they did in the comics (they didn't really officially say that) it was nice to get that in the show now. And adding some development to Eugene was needed. I am a little more pissed with Glenn and Maggie for ditching the rest of the group now. Just seeing them in this episode made me think of that. I enjoyed Rosita and Abraham's interaction.

These episodes where we get more out of the "secondary" characters are needed to keep the show interesting in my opinion. I don't just want to see zombies killed. There are plenty of bad zombie movies out there for  that.

Sorry that was a lot of random thoughts put into one paragraph.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on November 11, 2014, 04:10 AM
I'm with you on that Nick...  I thought last week's was bad on a variety of levels.  I thought Beth's acting was meh at points, the premise of that place lasting that long that way, it was off to me somehow.  The courtyard with the cars was overrun but yet still how the police-ish people just come and go at random kidnapping people...  It was a goofy episode, to me.

I thought this week was vastly superior, if nothing else because it was an episode delving heavily into Abraham, and Eugene, which we've seen little of that at all in this show so far.  It got to the root of who they are, and why they are like they are.  I like flashbacks because I like the backstory, and the seeing other groups or other places.

I feel like next week looks a good bit more intense, and I appreciate that, but I appreciated this week a good bit.  Last week, it just didn't work as well.  I'm usually more apprehensive about new people when they're intro'd but those guys just felt like Rick would cook and eat them or something.  I dunno. 

On TD they did say that they were following the comic storyline on Abraham's past, if you're referring to WHY he was killing those guys in the store, Nick.  I hadn't read them so I didn't know any of that till they said it there.

The Abraham/Rosita scene would've been better if character placement were rearranged for it.   :(
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: evenflow on November 14, 2014, 12:53 PM
This past week was an OK episode. At least it was better than that terrible Beth episode. 

I don't get why Abraham's family would abandon him after killing those guys that raped them. I don't read the comics, anyone has insight into that?
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on November 14, 2014, 02:49 PM
This past week was an OK episode. At least it was better than that terrible Beth episode. 

I don't get why Abraham's family would abandon him after killing those guys that raped them. I don't read the comics, anyone has insight into that?

I wondered about that too. I guess they thought murder was worse than rape? Pretty sure my wife and kids would have been high-fiving me in that situation but whateves...
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt_Fury on November 15, 2014, 05:53 PM
Like Cudliff said in TD, that scene was right out of the comics.  Although in the comics, it was Abraham telling Rick what happened instead of showing it.

It was right after Rick ripped a guy's throat out with his teeth...the claimers scene from last season.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: JediJman on November 16, 2014, 10:32 AM
This past week was an OK episode. At least it was better than that terrible Beth episode. 

I don't get why Abraham's family would abandon him after killing those guys that raped them. I don't read the comics, anyone has insight into that?

I think actually seeing someone beat multiple people to death with their fists long after they've stopped being a threat might make some people uneasy about what they're capable of.  Might have made more sense if the wife and kids were remotely able to defend themselves from zombies or scavengers, but they literally weren't going to make it 20 feet without Abe. Personally, I want someone like that around when the world turns to crap, but I think that's the gist of what they were trying to sell us.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on November 16, 2014, 01:01 PM
Yeah that was how I took that too.  Not to mention they're all traumatized by what happened to them and I figure the mother was just trying to escape this brutality she can't deal with and is stuck in.  Rash decision on her part but she probably was not in a good frame of mind...  It's like Shane and others wanting to leave but Carol wanting to stay to find her daughter who in all likelihood was dead...  Thinking emotionally...  The immediate threats didn't compute.

I often think "what if" about Shane and if he were still with Rick.  I think he'd be Rick's biggest asset,especially with Laurie dead.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Sybeck1 on November 16, 2014, 08:04 PM
A producer said this season was going to be about the journey to Washington. Now with Eugene's lie out, you have to wonder if they would ever leave Georgia now. It seems to have put the state in the spot light.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt on November 16, 2014, 10:43 PM
Spoiler: Daryl's gonna die. . .





























. . .from COPD!
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on November 17, 2014, 11:10 AM
Another slowish episode (the whole segment in the women's shelter was interminable) but CarolDaryl always deliver. Refreshing to seem them in the urban environment too. They did a great job with the sets.

Figured we would see Noah again, now we're pretty much caught up with all the timelines it seems. Ready for Rick and co to get back in action and drop the hammer on Don/Dawn next ep.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BillCable on November 17, 2014, 11:39 AM
So Rick & Co were only a few hours' drive from Atlanta, still?  And now Abraham is half-a-day north?  They sure haven't covered much ground since Season 1...
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt_Fury on November 17, 2014, 07:27 PM
That actually makes sense.  After they left Hershell's farm, they were basically scavenging around the same county until they found the prison.  And the timeline is that it's only been about two weeks since the prison was destroyed.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BrentS on November 17, 2014, 10:39 PM
Really liked this weeks episode. And I'm really excited about how they are setting up the last two episodes.  Should be awesome.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Qui-Gon Jim on November 18, 2014, 12:09 PM
Anyone notice the tank from S1? 
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on November 18, 2014, 08:59 PM
I was wondering if it's the same tank, but thought not because that tank seemed to be in an open intersection whereas the S1 tank was in a section of the city surrounded by buildings.  I didn't want to say for sure it was the S1 tank then, but definitely noticed that there was a tank there.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Sybeck1 on November 23, 2014, 10:24 PM
What a jumbled mess of a filler episode
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: GrandMoffNick on November 24, 2014, 12:33 AM
What a jumbled mess of a filler episode

Nicely put!
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Chris M on November 24, 2014, 12:41 AM
Any thoughts on Darryl dragging his hand across the walker mouth?
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: GrandMoffNick on November 24, 2014, 01:32 AM
Any thoughts on Darryl dragging his hand across the walker mouth?

I just took that as a "in the moment scare" not a "will we find something out in the future scare"
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on November 24, 2014, 04:53 AM
Same thought as Nick there...  Just something to make a million girls say inane **** on Twitter.

I didn't mind the episode actually but could've done without the Gabriel bit.  Would've preferred seeing just the two groups and what they're doing.  Gabriel being a huge boner wasn't really interesting at all, and just destroyed the rest of the episode's pace.

I hate them setting up the "Rick's feelings are hurt because someone didn't agree with him" stuff.  I don't think he's that easily phased right now.

Rosita on Talking Dead...  Good god is she a good looking woman.

I liked her story about meeting Abraham...  No doubt he was impressed with her fighting ability, and that's why he asked if she'd tag along with him and Mr. Pants On Fire.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Diddly on November 24, 2014, 05:36 AM
I wasn't fully paying attention since the Cowboys game was on but I'll rewatch later today... Probably my favorite part was the teaser for Better Call Saul. It did infuriate me when Daryl convinced Rick to keep that cop alive though. Do these morons not remember what happens every time they choose to let bad guys live?

I laughed at Eugene still being out cold, and had completely forgotten about Gabriel.

Rosita on Talking Dead...  Good god is she a good looking woman.

Yes, please. Actually got me to watch a few minutes of that terrible show. The TWD makeup crew deserves all of the awards for making all of these hotties look bland and generic.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on November 24, 2014, 08:33 AM
At least we had everyone in the same episode again.

I liked the melted zombies, and Glyn Rosita and Tara catching fish was a lighthearted distraction. But I could have done without Father Gabriel acting like a jackhole too. I don't get what they are trying to do with his character, and I really don't care. This dude is even more worthless in the apocalypse than Eugene.

I didn't get Dawn/Don's angle with Beth and the drug locker key either. The doctor notes she has an ulterior motive, but what? Does it even matter now?

Man, you have to be a real dope to trust ANYONE at this point too. Especially the friendly guy you have handcuffed. That was just silly.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BillCable on November 24, 2014, 08:49 AM
I'm wondering if Gabriel is running out to hook up with the people he's been feeding victims to in exchange for protection or something.  Doesn't seem like the kind of guy to run off to his death.

And yeah, Dead Bob's GF was a colossal idiot.  I saw that one coming a mile away.

I doubt we'll ever know Dawn's angle.  I think it was just a device to save Carol.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on November 24, 2014, 03:41 PM
Agreed on Sasha's decision to help Bob2 kill some guy who's been melted to the parking lot for a year or two now.  That was pretty bad writing IMO.  I get they're trying to tie it to Tyrese and him being the new Dale/Herschel of the group as a whole, but it was just something nobody would've done given the things they've been through and it was like watching a train come down the tracks at you.  Very bad IMO.

Darryl's bowling ball use of the zombie head was pretty creative though.

And yes, Eugene still being unconscious is funny...  I'd say Eugene is miles more worthy of being around than Father Gabriel though.  Gabriel is just pathetic.

Oh, and solid thought on him Bill.  I was thinking he seems like he has some purpose or plan.  It's a good thought that he may be tied to Dawn's group in some capacity.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Qui-Gon Jim on November 30, 2014, 10:19 PM
Dammit.  :'(
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Diddly on November 30, 2014, 10:37 PM
Lame lame lame. This whole Don/Dawn storyline makes me wish they HAD dragged out the cannibals for an entire half season.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: GrandMoffNick on December 1, 2014, 01:06 AM
Sad. Knew someone had to go. Didn't see it being her. Loved Rick running over the cop at the beginning. I liked the twist that it didn't turn into a blood bath at the end.

On Talking Dead Kirkman mentioned one of the characters we'll see in the second half of the season. If that means we will also get some of the other characters that show up with him about the same time in the comics then God please fast forward December and January!!
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on December 1, 2014, 04:27 AM
I actually kinda figured it'd be Beth so I guess I didn't feel surprised, but it still was a shock.  Then when she was staring down the elevator shaft, I got the vibe she was getting utterly depressed, then she snuck the forceps, and I really started to think they were setting her up to be in some bad situation and toast.

I just felt like she was a weak link, kinda like Bob, and they just seem to off the weak links as far as their characters go. 

There was a moment or two I thought Tyrese might get it because he has that vibe going too lately.

It was a good ending I thought, though.  Tense, and killed an old character...  I liked it.  I'm really shocked at how fast they tore up the Terminus people.  I'm also curious to see, going forward, if anyone from the hospital goes with the group since the offer was made.  I'd think half the cops might want to, possibly the doctor...  Everyone in there's so mentally f'd up though I don't know.  And the wards are all kind of pussies.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Sybeck1 on December 1, 2014, 08:36 AM
Well it seems Carol is a lot tougher than Eugene. Able to walk out of the hospital and all after being in a deep coma. There might be hope after all for these people, given how quick some of them heal. ::) ::)
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BillCable on December 1, 2014, 09:40 AM
5CCs of miracle drug FTW!!
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on December 1, 2014, 09:54 AM
What a downer.  :(

I don't know which was harder to watch, seeing Beth get killed on the show or watching Emily Kinney crying on Talking Dead. God, she is a sweet girl. I bet Kirkman felt like crawling in a hole and dying right about then.

As soon as I heard there would be a "surprise" guest on TD, I had a bad feeling. And when Beth took the scissors I had a really bad feeling. I just wished they had asked her on TD what she meant when she said "I get it."

I can't believe we lost Beth and yet somehow Tara is still on the show. Between the two, Beth was a much more interesting character IMO and they had only begun to scratch the surface with her. Plus, poor Daryl! Seeing that guy cry made me die a little inside.

Nice to see them back together at the end. What a rollercoaster ride for Maggie though. Joy to heartbreak in just a few hours. I hope Father Gabriel has his stuff together now because he has about used up all his stupid cards.

That whole opening scene was fantastic though. Dumbass should have just stopped.

ps - I'm with you Nick, psyched for the new cast members coming up!
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Sybeck1 on December 1, 2014, 10:53 AM
So now Gabriel gets the urgency with the walkers, even though we first met him perched on top of a rock with hungry walkers trying to eat him, with him screaming on top of it.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BillCable on December 1, 2014, 11:00 AM
Gabriel needed to see for himself that the people slaughtered in his church were cannibals.  Or something.  I think pretty much he's just off his rocker.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Sybeck1 on December 1, 2014, 11:07 AM
5CCs of miracle drug FTW!!

Maybe it is some of Abrams Khan/Tribble blood....
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Tracy on December 1, 2014, 02:27 PM
Though I knew someone had to go down - and that it would probably be Beth (considering the hype about a heartbreaking loss during the mid-season finale) - I was somehow lulled into a false sense of security. I almost thought they were going to blindside us with Glenn or Maggie dying. Though it was hard to see Daryl crying over Beth's senseless death - I, for one, am glad that all of the Daryl/Beth chatter will die too. He's got Carol to make it all better..........
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: jedipurge on December 2, 2014, 10:29 AM
if beth 'got it' i'm glad cuz i sure the hell didn't. wtf. she was in the clear to freely leave. i'm sure when she was thinking of stabbing her that she wasn't going to get popped in the head especially when it was only a flesh wound at best with the siccors to the shoulder, it wasn't a life or death wound. but still u knew that was going to make the getting out of there situation that much more difficult. pointless death.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BillCable on December 2, 2014, 10:44 AM
After thinking about it, I think what she "got" was that Dawn was afraid of losing her power, and would go to any lengths to keep it.  In this case, making a dick move to look all bad-ass.

Though I don't know what she hoped to accomplish by stabbing her.  Maybe to save Noah?  Though the most likely outcome was a big shoot-out where everybody died.  Not the most rational decision.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: JediJman on December 2, 2014, 07:56 PM
if beth 'got it' i'm glad cuz i sure the hell didn't. wtf. she was in the clear to freely leave. i'm sure when she was thinking of stabbing her that she wasn't going to get popped in the head especially when it was only a flesh wound at best with the siccors to the shoulder, it wasn't a life or death wound. but still u knew that was going to make the getting out of there situation that much more difficult. pointless death.

+1 I still don't get it.  She explained it on TD as a sense of overconfidence, but she clearly wasn't thinking through the possible outcomes.  Did she think the scissors was going to take Dawn down?  She just saw a clear example earlier in the show of what Dawn will do when put in a corner.  Outside of immediately killing her, she was going to take someone else down with just a wound.  I get they needed to kill off a main character to keep things lively, but that whole storyline was really weak.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on December 2, 2014, 08:18 PM
She was up in the neck vicinity, so maybe she was going for it.  Maybe "I get it" is simply letting Dawn know she gets that this is the world, she doesn't like it anymore, she doesn't want to be in it anymore (especially knowing her new friend was going to go back to Dawn & Co.), and she didn't want to live without him?

Darryl said she was tough, but I don't know.  I found the shot of her staring down the elevator shaft telling...  Dawn says about her offing herself, made mention of the scars on her wrists...  I think those were hints at Beth's mental state.  She gained some confidence with Darryl but not much.  She now represents another failed project of his (Sophia, Meryl, now Beth)...  I think Beth saying she gets it meant more that Dawn doesn't, and never would.  She's dilusional about the reality of the world now, while Beth sees it as the misery it is, and Beth maybe is consciously choosing at that point not to be in it any longer, and to make sure Dawn's taken out of it too because she's such a POS at heart, as are seemingly most of the people there who aren't in scrubs.

Just my take...  It makes it a little more tragic, but no more so than T-Dawg's sister really, or Jenner, or Jim.  Some folks will inevitably want to just die, by one means or another.  Not being very rational would explain her putting the whole group in danger of a shoot-out with the Grady cops too.  She doesn't care, she just wants to check out.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: JediJman on December 3, 2014, 01:08 PM
Okay, but if you follow that logic why not just stab Dawn from behind during the swap?  It was a done deal and Beth would have lost her shot if not for Dawn asking to have the other guy back.  Or why not take a gun from one of your people then shoot Dawn on the way out?  I just think her death was lazy writing at best.  I would love to hear more about what Kirkman was thinking - maybe it just didn't come across for me the way it was intended.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on December 3, 2014, 03:10 PM
I think she committed to, uh, committing, when Dawn asked for the guy back...  At that point I think she was only contemplating it, and maybe grabbed the forceps for simply a weapon, in case...  Once Dawn changed things and demanded that guy back, Beth said F it because things weren't going to be good.

I don't think the goal of the forceps was initially to stab Dawn though...  Just so she had something because she was going into it unarmed.  If anything I think she felt bad for Dawn, to a degree, and was trying to reason with her that this is life and it's depressing, and you have to deal with it.

Dawn kind of betrays Beth in a way.  Takes a liberty and a last parting shot, by asking for Beth's friend back as compensation for losing her "ward".  She'd professed all along that the wards were simply a means to an end for her to keep control, while keeping people safer than being out on the street...  Beth maybe bought into that to some degree, but obviously still felt it was wrong and that Dawn was just doing it to keep the peace...  Obviously Dawn wasn't.  She was just another POS like the Governor, or the Termites, or whatever.  Just another person taking advantage of the world as it is rather than facing it for what it is.

Beth's last straw mentally was knowing her friend was going to probably not make it out of there alive.  She snaps, she stabs Dawn and gets shot in the process, etc., etc.  It was her, "**** it" moment.

That's just how I see it though...  no clue if that's how it's intended because I agree it's not explained terribly well.  I think it's subtle, at best.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt on December 3, 2014, 03:20 PM
I think those were hints at Beth's mental state.  She gained some confidence with Darryl but not much.  She now represents another failed project of his (Sophia, Meryl, now Beth)...

I would straight-up murder a hobo to see Meryl Streep on The Walking Dead.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on December 3, 2014, 07:04 PM
Merl?  Meryl?  I can't spell it.  I'd like to see her though.  She'd add acting cred.

Nix that, I was pronouncing it in Rick Voice, like he pronounces Carl's name. :)
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt on December 17, 2014, 11:28 AM
Bring Beth Back! petition (https://www.change.org/p/the-walking-dead-bring-beth-back)

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Beth Greene (played by Emily Kinney) was killed off in the mid-season finale in season 5 of The Walking Dead. Her death was far too soon and the writers threw away the potential of a perfectly good character. Her story wasn't over. Emily Kinney and her character don't deserve this. There was so much more to be done with her character and they chose to kill her in a disgusting, unsatifying death that caused more anger and dissapointment than shock and mourning. Beth was a symbol of hope that a lot of women could relate to and see themselves in (especially self-harmers who saw her as someone who overcame their suicidal/depressive feelings). By sloppily killing her it just shows that she was used to further a man's (Daryl's) storyline. We realize that the circumstances she dies in are irreverisble, but this is television. Anything is possible. By signing this petition you can at least show your support for Beth. Let's show Emily Kinney how much we love her and want her back.

55,000 people have signed so far.

**** them all. (http://i.imgur.com/4f3zAYR.gif)
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: JediJman on December 17, 2014, 04:02 PM
A petition?  Really?  I am not a fan of the way they did it, but if that many people care to complain about it then job well done for Kirkman and team.  Getting that massive of a response just shows they did the right thing in having a meaningful death.  They have to get rid of main characters from time to time to keep it exciting and fresh.  Would people rather have seen someone else go?  Rick? Carl? Tyreese? Michone? Daryl?  Carol?  Pick your poison people.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on December 17, 2014, 04:32 PM
I like how the petition only has 55,000 signatures when the ratings shares for the show make that number look pathetic.

**** them all indeed.  She was 3rd tier, at best, on the show.

There are definitely two distinctly different camps of fans for TWD I'm noticing.  One of them thinks the show's title is The Walking Darryl.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on December 17, 2014, 10:44 PM
A petition?  Really?  I am not a fan of the way they did it, but if that many people care to complain about it then job well done for Kirkman and team.  Getting that massive of a response just shows they did the right thing in having a meaningful death.  They have to get rid of main characters from time to time to keep it exciting and fresh.  Would people rather have seen someone else go?  Rick? Carl? Tyreese? Michone? Daryl?  Carol?  Pick your poison people.

I actually would have preferred Tyreese or Sasha. Or Tara, or Rosita or Eugene even. I feel like those characters have sort of come to the end of their own personal journeys whereas Beth could have gone in a number of interesting directions post-Dawn. I kinda felt the same way about Andrea though too, so it's nothing new I guess.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: JediJman on December 18, 2014, 12:53 PM
Andrea was a tough loss, but I wasn't happy with what they were doing with her anyway.  Tyreese neds to overcome his inability to kill the living, and predict Sasha dying will finally be a catalyst for that.  Tara & Rosita are too minor to kill off at this point and Eugene is too convenient.  He's actually a really useful character later in the story (comic version anyway), so all that goes out the window if they kill him.  Beth was one more loose end that doesn't map to the comic continuity, so I think she was an easy target in hindsight.  Carol, Maggie, and Michonne are already playing the Lady Butt-kicker role - they didn't really need a 4th.  I wish they had found a better way to off her, but not disappointed in the choice.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Sybeck1 on December 18, 2014, 04:27 PM
I feel Glenn and Maggie are living on borrowed time. Glenn should be next, but he want be alone. I see Maggie going down with him, since she has nothing else
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: JediJman on December 19, 2014, 12:34 PM
Glenn?  They would never kill Glenn.  Really, Glenn?   :-X
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BillCable on December 20, 2014, 07:08 AM
Glenn?  They would never kill Glenn.  Really, Glenn?   :-X

NO COMIC SPOILERS!!!! 

(to people considering replying)
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Sybeck1 on January 27, 2015, 10:55 PM
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&ei=CF3IVJ3XHYb8yQSJxoHIAQ&url=http://www.walkingdeadforums.com/cast/chad-coleman-joins-new-syfy-series-expanse/&ved=0CDEQFjAG&usg=AFQjCNG9f47a2Kjno7XStlNQq0muRfEAVg&sig2=XfYToeQ57-5YrCX80hkheQ
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt_Fury on January 27, 2015, 11:00 PM
This may not mean anything.  It all depends on when they schedule filming for each show.

BTW, I heard that the script for the spin-off show leaked online.  Without giving anything major away, the show is called Fear the Walking Dead and is set to take place at the onset of the Zombie Apocalypse.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Sybeck1 on January 28, 2015, 01:53 PM
What's wrong with The Walking Dead Los Angeles"? Like all the CSI's you kow
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: P-Siddy on January 28, 2015, 02:59 PM
What's wrong with The Walking Dead Los Angeles"? Like all the CSI's you kow

Awesome!  Then you can have WD: Miami, WD: New York, WD: Forty
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on February 9, 2015, 09:05 AM
Well, I so, SO called that one a few weeks back. Still sucks to see [that character] go, although it has seemed clear for awhile now that [his/her] story has been pretty much told. The writing was on the wall when [he/she] was just cast for another show too.

Top 5 places you do not want to space out:

1) Job Interview

2) Public Restroom

3) Performing major surgery on the operating table

3) At the controls of a Malaysian Jet Liner

4) In a house that has not been cleared after the zombie apocalypse

Hurry up and get to Arlington, peeps!
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on February 9, 2015, 03:31 PM
Yeah it was a neat way they did the whole episode I thought...  The comments on the interwebs are funny.  I don't see how you can be a fan of this show then pitch a conniption over character deaths and call them senseless and claim it's ruining the show.

I mean, good god.  It's called The Walking Dead, not "Everyone's OK In The Zombie Apocalypse".  I never get that line of thought I guess.

I thought it was interesting that it was the whole episode too, and the deception they deployed.  It was well done, if not a little bit of a stand-alone episode kind of.

I've also seen people griping, "Why did they split up!?", which makes me wonder if they even saw the Terminus storyline at all?
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BillCable on February 10, 2015, 10:25 AM
One thing I found interesting was that for each of the Talking Dead promos during Better Call Saul, both the host and the actor were fighting back tears.  The host barely got through the second one - looked like he was ready to break down.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: JediJman on February 10, 2015, 01:10 PM
One thing I found interesting was that for each of the Talking Dead promos during Better Call Saul, both the host and the actor were fighting back tears.  The host barely got through the second one - looked like he was ready to break down.

Really? I didn't notice that at all.  The actor especially seemed jolly about the whole thing.  Andrew Lincoln's little goodbye was the only remorse I caught.  I really wasn't a fan of the way they were developing that storyline anyway, so good riddance IMO.  It was the right time to end things. 

Beyond that, I thought the spacing out deal was a pretty lazy kill.  Beth's death was lazy and now this one as well.  Was the catch that in the photos we saw two people, but only one of them was confirmed behind a door?  If so, that wasn't done very well.  I am all for a zombie getting your arm as you reach for a light or falling out of a closet or just rounding the corner, but I think spacing out with zombies all around or a zombie "sneaking up on someone" in a quiet, day lit house is well, just lazy writing.  If the other guy had inadvertently opened a door letting the twins out and someone got bit, fine.  Or next episode, apparently the survivors are weak from lack of supplies - I could live with that if it was remotely touched on for he who shall not be named.  But getting killed for staring off into space is a pretty lame way to go.

Why the hell don't they have boards or bars strapped to their forearms anyway?
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BillCable on February 10, 2015, 01:20 PM
I don't think he was spaced out as much as he was in utter grief.  And I'm guessing the rooms were connected by an open door, so he through the walker was locked up when he wasn't.

What I really enjoyed was the tension after he got bit, because it made every threat after that real.  When Michonne's sword deflected off the metal bar on that walker's shoulder, I thought she might actually get bit.  When they opened the gate, I thought Noah might get bit by the last one through.  When dude's shoe got stuck in the wire, I thought the walker following was going to get Glenn.  Real, palpable tension.  It was open season.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on February 10, 2015, 08:34 PM
I agree Bill...  that and all about Tyreese's overall personality.  He wasn't much for the action.  He was capable, but didn't want involved and ultimately distanced himself from that, so I think he lacked some of the experience.

He was focused on Noah, in Noah's home, just seeing Noah's mother and brother, thinking about Sasha perhaps...  plus I think he maybe (and again, lack of experience perhaps) was thinking the one behind the door must be trapped, and didn't think he was in as much danger as he figured.  Perhaps it was a whole other walker too, and he figured they'd accounted for the 3 family in the house (dead 2, and other brother behind the door), so he let his guard down even more?

Walkers do seem awful sneaky though...  For not having coordination and stuff, they sure do just sneak up on folks, routinely.  Outside even, in piles of brush.

It seems like a rarity where a Walker gets someone though, in such a simple manner, but I think it's sort of an inevitability too.  To remind everyone the Walkers are as big a threat as they ever were, and people may be worse, but threats are all around.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BillCable on February 11, 2015, 08:25 AM
What's really interesting is the walkers get dead silent when they're about to sneak up on you.  Otherwise they're groaning and hissing non-stop.   ;D
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on February 11, 2015, 08:37 PM
Maybe only people with previous Ninja experience have a sort of embedded memory in them where they just act of instinct, and slow their breathing, before they eat someone.  :D

You never know who is a ninja, really.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: GrandMoffNick on February 15, 2015, 11:05 PM
YES! I'M SO ******* EXCITED!!
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BrentS on February 15, 2015, 11:45 PM
YES! I'M SO ******* EXCITED!!

So, I'm guessing cleaned up dude is someone from the comics?  I haven't read I past when Abraham and his crew shows up.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: GrandMoffNick on February 15, 2015, 11:50 PM
YES! I'M SO ******* EXCITED!!

So, I'm guessing cleaned up dude is someone from the comics?  I haven't read I past when Abraham and his crew shows up.

No, I just really like music boxes............  ;)
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on February 16, 2015, 08:56 AM
If you're sitting around the campfire with your buds chowing down on Lassie, it's probably just as well you take off that white collar, yeah.  :P

At this point, after everything they have been through, shouldn't they just go ahead and shoot any weird new people that show up out of the blue right off the bat? Why wait around to get eaten/raped/sacrificed? 

Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BillCable on February 16, 2015, 09:32 AM
They still have that urge to be "moral" and "human"...

So a tornado struck next to the barn, tore down dozens of trees, but didn't damage the barn?  That was kind of an odd sequence.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Diddly on February 16, 2015, 11:57 AM
Ye gads what a boring episode. I've come to expect slow episodes here and there, but this was Season 2 farm level boring.

I know they weren't going for this reaction but when Rick said they were The Walking Dead, I laughed and thought of that Family Guy skit where everyone gets excited when the characters in a show/movie say the title of said show/movie.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: GrandMoffNick on February 16, 2015, 12:20 PM
I thought the whole idea of the episode was to show how close to rock bottom they are. People are thinking of giving up.

I took the tree thing in a similar light. But it showing there is still hope. And specifically for Gabriel maybe even divine hope.

If the story progresses as I think then this makes sense to me.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: jedipurge on February 16, 2015, 06:15 PM
now how does clean guy know who rick is?
i haven't read any of the comics, and i don't care if anyone throws out any spoilers, we all know tv can change anything in comics.
i'm thinking that whats his name from the very first episode that saved rick has run into clean guyand perhaps is part of his group.
very boring episode
but i guess it can't all be action
i'm guessing they must be going thru as many backroads as they can to get to DC, but i guess that can hold as many dangers as taking a main hwy. run out of gas, water, n food with no towns big enough to resupply and u'll just starve.
The group needs to pick up more onesy, twosey people on the trip and stop killing off main characters. The group needs more red shirts.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt on February 16, 2015, 06:39 PM
Beth and Tyrese were main characters?
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on February 17, 2015, 04:25 AM
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i haven't read any of the comics, and i don't care if anyone throws out any spoilers

Myself and a few others who aren't caught up in the comics do care, so please don't, haha.

And Beth/Tyrese weren't "main" to me...  I mean, in the sense that they stuck around longer than a nanosecond, they were I guess, but I didn't consider either one that integral to everything.  That's why I found the outrage unbearable.  And while I watch Talking Dead for a few bits, I'm over Hardwick with the moral support when a character croaks.  Just, seriously, enough of that **** already.  It's a TV show, and anyone you're catering too with that is either mentally defective or a teenage girl.  It's dumb.

I found the tornado.....  odd.  But it happens I guess.  Georgia's not like Kansas though so it's weird that this happens now to this group of people and stuff.  Whatever though.

I didn't mind the episode...  Actually I was quite excited to see wild dogs, finally.  Animals being a threat seemed like something grossly overdue in this show.  I liked seeing the lowest point for some characters, and the general mundane and depressing nature of the situation for a while.  No excitement, no living folks (well, almost none), just the group traveling...  It's like the shots of the Dwarves trying to make it to the Lonely Mountain...  You had to have some walking shots.  :)

Almost as weird as the tornado is their inability, at all, to find water.  This is Georgia, not the Sahara, so it just doesn't jive really well.  I mean, even if there is drought, that doesn't happen overnight.  And it seems like the woods look quite lush and the soil isn't parched, yet somehow every source of water for a 100 miles any direction is suddenly gone?  Weird.  Doesn't anyone have a goddam map?  Rivers, creeks, and streams are generally marked on them, as are ponds and lakes.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on February 17, 2015, 08:44 AM
As someone who lives in Richmond VA and has made that short trek north to DC countless times, I can personally attest that it is not nearly as barren as the show is making it out to be. There are LOTS of sources of water between the two cities, not the least of which being the Mattaponi River and Lake Anna.

I'd love to know what road they are taking...makes sense they would stay off I95, so I am guessing they are supposed to be on one of the less traveled parallel routes like 301 or Rt. 1. PLENTY of sources of food and water along those roads.

I wonder why they didn't just let Eugene drink the water they found and then see what happens. If he doesn't die or get roofied, might as well drink up.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BillCable on February 17, 2015, 09:42 AM
Pretty sure Abraham was thinking "I spent this long protecting this ******bag - I'm not letting him poison himself now!"
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on February 17, 2015, 08:56 PM
Yeah, what Bill said.  I think Abraham still feels some loyalty to Eugene because Eugene saved him, in a weird way.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on February 23, 2015, 09:00 AM
So, um...yeah. Not a lot to talk about there. Mmm, applesauce.

I guess the flare-eye walker was pretty cool. That will make a sweet action figure.

They got to Alexandria quicker than I thought in this series. I think they are in a real danger now of catching up with the comics. They've got maybe 1-2 more seasons they can squeeze out before they are there. I hope they find some way to pad that time out, maybe focus on Daryl for awhile. Or do something with Morgan.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Diddly on February 23, 2015, 10:08 AM
I liked this week's episode a lot more than last week's... interesting to see that half of the group wanted to trust the guy while the other half didn't. Could become interesting later.

Flare zombie was cool, and a genius way to get light into that situation. But who shot off that other flare, and why did Aaron totally freak out? Guess that will be answered at some point. They're still in Alexandria in the comics, and set up a trade network with other safe zones, so I could see them spending a half season clearing out trade routes and meeting new people, setting up Negan's first TV appearance. They could easily do a Governor style TV arch with him that could easily use up 2 seasons, but at that point they would still be almost caught up with the comics.

Apparently there is some backlash over having gay characters kiss, and people are boycotting the show now. ::) Homosexuals are gay!
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BillCable on February 23, 2015, 11:04 AM
This week's just seemed badly written to me.  The melodrama over "do we trust him or not" was strained.  I did like Michonne kinda taking over.

I don't know how you "clear" Route 16.  I didn't see any sign of walls or guards or anything else.  Given that they drove down days ago, prior to the tornado, I don't know how they'd have any clue of the number of walkers there now.

The whole thing with the car plowing through dozens of walkers I think was meant to be cool, but came across as stupid.  Brakes, maybe?  How do you not wreck when the glass is covered in blood and guts?  Arrow-straight road?  In Virginia?  Have they never driven through Virginia?

And then they drove by hundreds of walkers, leave the car, and have to kill maybe 15 or 20?  Glenn machine-guns down about 8 of them and they're safe?  The other two hundred walkers aren't attracted to the noise?

The flare was dude's partner, I guess it was meant to signal trouble or something.  I don't know how Rick & Co found the others based off the flare.  I'd guess it was a rendezvous point set by the two guys, but the one with Rick sure didn't seem to know exactly where he was going.

Just sloppy all around, IMO.

The flare gun in the face was pretty awesome, though.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on February 23, 2015, 03:53 PM
I didn't mind the episode... 

They've been building up the group's callous nature now for a while, so I felt like this was actually a long time coming where something good in your face may go unrecognized simply because the Ricktatorship is in full swing and he's among the most scarred mentally at this point.  It makes you a survivor, and nobody WANTS to question Rick, but clearly others have been there before and are wanting to help him make the right decisions.

Actually I really enjoyed the last line, from Carol, since he made a tough choice regarding her...  She backs him up.  I thought that was some pretty brilliant writing actually considering she didn't do jack all episode till that last line.

Yeah I don't know how you clear a route...  I can't even tell where the hell they are at this point.  What state?  Maybe they were just saying we came down Route 16, killed walkers along the way, no herds, it's clear...  Whereas Route 23 has a herd on it?  I almost looked up the routes just to see what they're like, or if they're even real.

The arrow straight road thing, again I have no clue where they are, hah.  I just know here isn't flat like that on many roads here.  A few, but not many.  I suppose it's possible...  It wasn't like they were on that straight stretch forever, but they did show in last week's that they were on a pretty damn straight road that went on for a while it seemed.

Regarding the post-rundown thing, I was about to question that too, but it seemed to me they broke through the herd they were in, and wound up out on the other side a good distance from the last of the zombies.  It looked like some were following them, others maybe were going to come but a ways down the road, and maybe then they got distracted by the flare that made Aaron freak?  I think that's plausible in that situation.  They did seem to break through the zombies and be some kind of distance away from the last of them.  So I can buy them not having a huge problem to deal with, but one that overwhelmed just basically 3 armed people and a tied up guy.  I am ok on that one.  Much more so than the road issue...  definitely more than the storm thing.

I'd say arms stuck in the hood, for no real reason (why was the hood gapped up that much to allow arms in but not enough to detatch?  Not really possible.) and them somehow obstructing the car from starting then...  I guess they were trying to imply they were in the serpentine belt, but again that hood would've been unlatched to allow those to jam in, then jam down into the serp belt.  THAT is some unbelievable stuff to me. :P

It'd have been much more likely they broke the radiator and the car just overheated and blew up, and that stopped them.

On the flare, yeah I assume it was a trouble thing, and the other group drove to it (since they, I guess, stopped when the herd appeared and they lost Rick because Glenn hasn't learned NOT to take his eyes off the road in the zombie apocalypse).  I am guessing Rick saw the general direction of the flare and they went in that general direction, and lucked into finding the group there all safe with Eric.  It seemed like that whole sequence just went entirely too quickly...  time constraints on the show and all?  Could've probably chopped out some morale dilemma junk and done better explaining how they get from A to B though.

I liked the episode well enough, but it was a lot more of last week, I felt...  At least in pace and whatnot.  Some zombie killing that was fun, some slow dialogue and debate, character development (and introduction)...  It was ok to me, but could've been done better.

The Dale nods were great...  That car would be among your worst choices in the zombie apocalypse though, IMO.  Gas hog.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BillCable on February 23, 2015, 05:28 PM
Looks like all the roads are made up.  They'd likely take Route 1 into Alexandria.  Route 611 runs roughly parallel to it.  And I don't think you'd see the DC skyline while approaching Alexandria, as it's about 5 miles as the crow flies between cities.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on February 23, 2015, 08:52 PM
Yeah, those are all made up roads for sure.

I kept waiting for someone to speak up and tell Aaron, "You know, the last folks that offered to take us in tried to eat us, so yeah...pardon us for being skeptical."  :D
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt_Fury on February 23, 2015, 11:28 PM
Looks like all the roads are made up.  They'd likely take Route 1 into Alexandria.  Route 611 runs roughly parallel to it.  And I don't think you'd see the DC skyline while approaching Alexandria, as it's about 5 miles as the crow flies between cities.

I figured they were on 495.

Good episode, I guess anyone who had to deal with the Termites and the Governor would have some trust issues.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on February 23, 2015, 11:36 PM
The Governor was almost normal compared to what Rick dealt with in the post-prison world...  His kid was going to be raped, he ate a guy's throat out to kill him, he then slaughtered said would-be perv (all while watching Michonne threatening to be raped and Darryl beat severely)...  Then he gets to Terminus and he sees clean cut dudes with a seemingly nice set-up, but they are eating people and stuff, slaughtering people that don't really help them in any way other than jagoff jerky.

Oh and those guys aren't done, wound up eating your buddy's leg who was just a good dude.

Then he found a "society" where people who are powerful are basically keeping slaves, abusing them, and raping them, because they're people too weak to defend themselves and they feel it's their right since they "keep them safe"...  those people then popped Beth in the head.

Rick was pretty F'd up when he ran the cop down.

I think Aaron is pretty lucky he's alive, haha.  He'd better thank Glenn at some point, and Michonne.  He owes both, a lot.  Darryl and Abraham would've probably let the Ricktatorship run wild on him, and just take your **** and keep on truckin'.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BillCable on March 2, 2015, 08:27 AM
So kind of a filler episode last night.  Seemed like they were planting seeds for future arcs.  Overall enjoyable, just not much to react to.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on March 2, 2015, 09:17 AM
#CleanCutRick  ;D

How the hell did those candy asses manage to stay alive for the past whatever-months? Carl nailed it - they are weak, and even worse, stupid.

I counted at least 3 people that are simply going to HAVE to die for this thing to work - Deanna's douchy son, his pal from the front gate that Daryl took down, and the mysterious front porch jealous husband that apparently wants to kill Rick for answering the door with no shirt on, LOL.

I could probably include the freaky backpack girl in that group too except it seems like Carl is doomed to fall in love with her so that will probably keep her around for awhile.

Loved Carol's interview...Junior League - hilarious. Throwing in that blurb about missing her big dumb husband, totally disarming. Yeah, nothing to fear from her folks. She's a people person!  :D

So the whole of NoVa (that's what we call Northern VA around here) was evacuated? There sure are a buttload of walkers hanging around, despite their claims otherwise. Seems unliklely they would be making a 53 mile arc around the compound with all the undead roaming around.

So WTF was that girl doing outside the camp? I'm guessing she is meeting someone outside and feeding or passing info to them. Maybe the strange woman in the house outside the gate that Carl glimpsed briefly. How did she get back in though?

Who took Rick's blender gun?!?!

What happened to Deanna's architect/professor husband?

WTF are they gonna do with Daryl?

That last one is especially interesting since there is no blueprint from the comic to go by here. I just don't see him hanging around long.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BillCable on March 2, 2015, 11:08 AM
So WTF was that girl doing outside the camp? I'm guessing she is meeting someone outside and feeding or passing info to them. Maybe the strange woman in the house outside the gate that Carl glimpsed briefly.

I'm pretty sure that was the girl he glimpsed.

And yeah, Carol's performance was awesome.

Something I forgot to ask - back a few episodes when dude was describing the wall, he mentioned the frame was built from "4-inch, rolled steel."  Does anyone know if that was a deliberate reference to Game of Thrones?
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on March 8, 2015, 05:51 PM
Steel walls...but the supports are on the outside.
It actually hasn't been that long since the prison fell. A month? 6 weeks?
They showed some interviews with Deanna, but the really interesting one would've been Gabriel, as he's still somewhat uneasy with Rick's group...what would he say about them? Or they about him, is asked?
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: GrandMoffNick on March 8, 2015, 10:46 PM
Been awhile since I've felt this way but........ eh.

Carol with the little boy was creepy.

Rick kissing the married lady should set something interesting up. Though mostly it makes me sad we don't have the Rick and Andrea relationship from the comics going.

And I'm a little scared they may have "traded" Daryl for Jesus. I really like Daryl but Jesus is awesome. Hopefully I'm just reading something out of nothing.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt_Fury on March 9, 2015, 01:07 AM
Poor Buttons.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: JediJman on March 9, 2015, 07:19 AM
Carol with the little boy was creepy.

Yes!  I get what she was doing there, but I Was just waiting for that kid to piss his pants.  Definitely NOT a people person.

Rick kissing the married lady should set something interesting up. Though mostly it makes me sad we don't have the Rick and Andrea relationship from the comics going.

I think they are missing Andrea bigtime.  She becomes so much more important in the comics that they either need to radically change storylines or set up other characters to take her roles.  Obviously Jessie is filling the role of Rick's love interest for now and maybe they'll keep her around longer than comic-Jessie.  And it looks like they're turning Sasha into the expert sniper.  I'm okay with it, but couldn't help thinking back to Comic-Andrea all through the episode.

And I'm a little scared they may have "traded" Daryl for Jesus. I really like Daryl but Jesus is awesome. Hopefully I'm just reading something out of nothing.
I wonder if a character named Jesus would be too weird for the TV masses.  It kinda makes sense to put Daryl in that role, at least for now.  Thought Daryl's skills are vastly different from Ninja-Jesus.  Maybe They are saving Jesus for the season finale?

Anyone have theories on the 'W' zombie?  Maybe it just stands for Walkers and was one of the tortured zombies from Aiden's team.  I couldn't stop thinking about it when Sam when stamping people with Alexandria A's though.  Is "W" a rival group or community?  I recall Aiden saying his group was attacked, but did he say by walkers?  Or was it maybe by someone else?  And who has the blender-gun???  Great setup work these last two episodes.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: GrandMoffNick on March 9, 2015, 07:34 AM
Call Jesus by his real name..... Paul,  I think.

Two times in second half premiere painted on the wall somewhere was "wolves not far".

Gotta be the W. Please be "s-----s" by a new name for the show. Has to be.........
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BillCable on March 9, 2015, 08:48 AM
Another episode of which I wasn't a big fan.

Carol gets snuck-up on by a fat cookie-seeking kid?  Rick ready to pop a cap in some physician's ass so he can get some?  Daryl becoming the least suspicious of the core because some dude likes horses?

I get Rick going darker, and that's an interesting turn, but the rest of them becoming incompetent this quickly just doesn't sit well with me.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: JediJman on March 9, 2015, 10:35 AM
Another episode of which I wasn't a big fan.

Carol gets snuck-up on by a fat cookie-seeking kid?  Rick ready to pop a cap in some physician's ass so he can get some?  Daryl becoming the least suspicious of the core because some dude likes horses?

I get Rick going darker, and that's an interesting turn, but the rest of them becoming incompetent this quickly just doesn't sit well with me.

I'm actually really liking this last few. 

Carol's in a new area, trying to focus and hurry.  As someone with a lot of kids in my neighborhood, I've been surprised like that a few times in my own garage.  And I'm not focused on stealing guns with a party going a few houses down. This was a setup to show how dark she really is or what lengths she will go to, so I'm willing to overlook a sneaky kid.

Rick's been in a pretty crazy world where it's take or be taken.  I think that scene was meant to show how hard it is to just come back to a "normal" life after being on the run in that environment so long.  He didn't whip the gun out and point it.  I thought it was a good way to show how hard it is for him and the crew to assimilate.  Would be dumb and lazy if they didn't have some kind of adjustment issue.

Daryl has been in need of companionship since he lost Beth.  Brother's gone, Beth's gone, Carol's gone homemaker under cover.  Everybody needs friendship.  Daryl not taking a gun is more about him deciding to put some trust into something other than himself.

I thought all of these were really great character building moments.  I like the on-the-run action, but stuff like this is what makes us care whether they live or die.  Pretty good writing IMO.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt_Fury on March 9, 2015, 02:59 PM
Just remember, more often than not these days Jesus is pronounced "Hey Seuss".
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on March 9, 2015, 08:24 PM
I enjoyed last night's episode...  I think the group's never gotten out of the post-prison mode where they trust nobody, or anything.  They stupidly wandered into Terminus, maybe in some kind of desperation, and learned an even harder lesson...  So the behavior in Alexandria kind of jives to me.

I like Rick's "F 'em" behavior he has going on...  Carol's become the most interesting character though.

Sasha, eh, she's losing her crap after losing her boyfriend and brother in a fairly short span of time I guess. 

I liked Darryl and Aaron's interaction, especially given Darryl's background.  The fact he's hanging out with the two gay guys is kind of funny in a way but like Aaron said, they're all 3 outcasts in a weird way. 

Rick's really in a Claimer kind of mode, but hey, look what he's done in a relatively short period since The Governor showed up?  He was on the mend, especially after going back to his hometown and seeing what he could become, and then The Governor showed up and things just went from bad, to worse, to way worse, and finally to him doing everything Shane wanted him to more or less.  He is Shane, at this point, if Shane had just offed Rick early on.

The people in Alexandria are really odd though...  I am curious what they want.  Like Rick said, they're either really lucky or really smart and have done something to be this seemingly lucky.  I'm not sure which at this point.  I kept thinking they were maybe wanting Rick and his group for pure protection reasons, but if you were worried about that wouldn't you have a lookout?  Wouldn't you be more cautious when leaving the grounds?  They're neither.  Aaron seems to be the most adept at being out in the wild.  It's really just odd.

If they'd pissed off another group, why so nonchalant?

I'm also curious where people like Tara, Eugene, Gabriel, and to a lesser extent Rosita and Abraham (so little about them so far too) are falling into line.  To that end they've not said much about Glenn or Maggie lately either.  Are they all even aware what Darryl, Carol, and Rick are up to?

Anyway, this has been some of the more weird character development moments...  Clearly Jessie's husband is toast though.  That guy surely isn't going to be signing a long-term rental agreement down in GA.  :-X

Oh, and F that little fat kid.  He's going to get tore up by zombies.  So is the chubby girl who runs storage area.  She never watched Zombieland, I'd say.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on March 10, 2015, 05:45 PM
It is amusing that some people who once craved a safe civilized place are actively prepared to move against it, while the loner survivor who never needed anyone is now cool with Alexandria.

Someone noted that the kid stamped Rick with the letter A...in red...while Rick has thoughts about another man's wife.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: JediJman on March 11, 2015, 12:06 PM
Someone noted that the kid stamped Rick with the letter A...in red...while Rick has thoughts about another man's wife.

That was me, but I hadn't related it to the Scarlet Letter.  Nice symbolism there!
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt_Fury on March 11, 2015, 12:38 PM
It is amusing that some people who once craved a safe civilized place are actively prepared to move against it, while the loner survivor who never needed anyone is now cool with Alexandria.

Someone noted that the kid stamped Rick with the letter A...in red...while Rick has thoughts about another man's wife.

They don't want to take it in the way the Governor took it over.  They are more interested in securing the place to make it safe from groups like the claimers, the Governor or the termites.  They people in Alexandria are very naïve to the threats out there.  Rick is trying to warn them that people are more of a danger than the walkers, but they don't seem to get it yet.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Sybeck1 on March 13, 2015, 10:43 PM
I started reading some spoilers on this upcoming episode and immediately stopped after a couple of sentences. From what I did see big things are coming this week
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on March 14, 2015, 02:55 PM
Was on vacation this past week and missed the live airing, which is a real rarity for me. Caught up last night though and it was about what I expected. I figured there would be a few episodes like this, letting things settle before they start building again. I don't want them to rush into the comic storylines too soon, we've only just gotten over the Governor and Terminus at this point.

That scene with Carol and the kid was off the hook...she just broke that poor kid. Dark stuff indeed. I love where her head is at though.

The scene with Rick reaching for the gun was about more than just jealousy I think. I think that was a protective instinct which will play out more and more over the coming weeks. It seems clear to me her husband is very controlling if not abusive. The way he cut her off at the party when getting the drinks, the possessive arm around her after she says hi to Rick, not to mention the way he referred to her last week as "my wife" and not by name. This is not a good guy. (Sucks that he is the only doctor though)

The W brand was definitely interesting. Curious to see where they go there. The Buttons-feast was some pretty quality splatter too. I'm glad they find ways to sneak that kind of brutality into episodes like this. Poor Daryl can't catch a break. He sure loves him some spaghetti though!

The scenes with him and the gay guys were great...sort of typifies what Deanna was talking about at the party, people from different walks of life coming together to form a community. Nice to see him sort of soften up at the end there. Dude needs his chopper back.

I had totally forgotten about Gabriel. I have to wonder about him too. And it's hard to blame Sasha for being disgusted with everything because it really is a bizarre kind of dreamworld those people are living in. Freaking pasta makers?!? Oy vey. Get up on that tower, people!

I was hoping we would get more on that girl and her excursions outside the wall but maybe next week. I think that's who took Rick's gun.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on March 15, 2015, 11:16 PM
This whole episode was about...cowardice and bravery.
Gabriel shows his true colors. Oh, boy.  The thing is, he's wrong and right...right they could ruin paradise, but wrong because they saved his butt and based on his cowardice, he's probably more dangerous to anyone than they are. They know the truth about him, too, which is definitely what motivated his actions and why he wants them ostracized from Alexandria. Acting out of cowardice again.
 
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Diddly on March 16, 2015, 12:53 AM
Gah, the Gabriel character is so frustrating. This is the same guy who locked his entire congregation out of his church when everything hit the fan, right? Shouldn't he busy asking for a tetanus booster from stepping on that nail?

Been digging the last few episodes, actually. Great character development. Sad to see Noah go, but it was a gruesome death. Makes Beth's death feel even more pointless though. I was wondering if there would be any consequence at the group letting Deeanna's son die, and after all of the Carol/Noah stuff, now I know. The Ricktatorship showdown should be good. Eugene's balls growing at Grinch-like levels on Christmas Day was awesome, as was Abraham going postal while those worthless goofs just stood there watching. Motherdick!

Blew my mind when they pointed out on TD that Carl's fence jumping chick was the same girl from Too Many Cooks.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt_Fury on March 16, 2015, 02:45 AM
Great episode and probably the best episode of TD in along while.

I like how they are showing how inept the people from Alexandria are.  Both the construction team and Nick & Aiden were acting so stupid that I'm shocked that any of them ever leave the walls!  Also, they are too quick to leave people to die.

Next week is going to be interesting with what Gabriel said to Deanna and then the group coming back without Aiden.  Probably a good thing they are keeping Nicholas alive....for now.

The bit with Carol and the kid was awesome as well.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BillCable on March 16, 2015, 09:44 AM
I could see Nicholas lying about what happened to get Glenn and Eugene in trouble.  Deflect blame for Noah.  That could put Alexandria and Rick's group at odds.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on March 16, 2015, 11:50 AM
Doing the human thing, letting Nicholas live will bite them on the ass.
From what I've read the odds of making grenade to explode by shooting it are low, though it depends on the caliber of bullet.
They didn't let Aiden die, because even if they'd gotten him off those spikes, he'd probably have bled to death. (i didn't think about the call back to that season 2 kid...Randall?)

Beth and Tyreese's deaths seem like they were for nothing now, freeing Noah and trying to get him home. But that's the point...never help anyone.  :P The Alexandrians are right. Okay, they aren't...their "what happens outside the walls stays there" attitude make me wonder how many people they've gone through.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on March 16, 2015, 02:15 PM
What did the one guy whisper to Aidan before he took off?

That was a brutal exit, but Noah's was even worse. Don't bring the limpy gun on the next run!

Totally called it on Dr Feelbad. Figures he couldn't have been a ditch digger or some other non-skilled trade. Nice to see the kid and Carol connect after that last conversation too. I'm guess it will probably be her or the wife that actually ends up offing the guy, but Rick is certainly up for the job.

Screw Gabriel. It was bad enough when he was just worthless, but he has escalated to pure douchery. If someone comes at me warning me about the Devil and Angels of Light though, I'm probably taking that with a few grains of salt. No doubt Maggie is going to take care of some business now too.

Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: GrandMoffNick on March 16, 2015, 03:54 PM
I believe he said that those two were the ones who disobeyed orders and ditched the four that died thst now Glenn etc are replacing
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on March 23, 2015, 12:01 AM
Mediocre episode until the end. Too many folks in the woods for no good reason.

Deanna says what i figured she'd say, Dr. Feelbad is the doctor, so everyone with a brain knows about the abuse, but lets it go.  Rick was right before, exiling people didn't work in his experience. Randall, Shane, Carol...
Of course bringing back Nicholas alive was worse than killing him or leaving him to die. 
The W mark thing being noticed but hardly mentioned, if at all, by people is getting silly.
Rick loses it, as the guest Yvette Nicole Brown on Talking Dead said, "you know he's lost it when he starts enunciating with gun."

I hope the season finale is zombie Noah leading a walker horde against Alexandria.


Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Diddly on March 23, 2015, 12:58 AM
Man, one episode left... where has the season gone? Seeing a lot of hate for this season online but I've loved it outside of the stupid hospital arc.

So many questions... what is Nicholas going to do with Rick's blender gun? What's up with the Wolves? Where does Sasha factor in? Will Carl avoid the friend zone?

One weird thing I noticed, the episode takes place over like 2 or 3 days. Why didn't Deanna interview Eugene or Glenn about what happened? Their stories would sync up for the most part. That's also plenty of time for Maggie to warn Rick and co about what Gabriel did, maybe have somebody go rough his worthless ass up.

Biggest issue with the episode was the naked chick Daryl and Aaron found tied to the tree. Same issue Jesse James (I think) pointed out with the zombie that bit Herschel's ankle in season 3; if a zombie isn't snarling or moving, it's dead. They don't "sleep." It should have been up and moving the second they approached it.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on March 23, 2015, 02:13 AM
Zombies DO sleep, sort of.  They've mentioned that, but I dunno what stirs them.  Maybe she was just coming to, as a zombie that is, since that'd happened just
recently? 

They have proven they do nothing though, and go dormant...  The ones in the bar/diner place in Rick's home town for example, and other places.  They just sorta chill out.  The ones in the church too...  which had constant noise around them, but they still just sat in pews, which is even weirder.  That goes back to the first episodes actually too, where they sort of have residual memory to where they try to get into their homes, or do familiar things.  I've always found that kinda weird/interesting.

This was a boring episode, simply put.  I'd have liked to have seen more regarding last week's referenced in this week.

Frankly I find the whole domestic disturbance arc silly...  Nobody would give a ****.  He's a surgeon, Rick's been out in misery so long.  He shouldn't be caring about this other than story/tension being crowbarred.  It'd be more interesting if it were another character taking an interest in it.  I just don't buy Rick biting on this whole thing though, and think the more "realistic" thing would be he'd not care that much.  Slightly, but not a lot, and not enough to screw stuff up.  He's been through far worse than this.  I think at best he'd just discuss it with Deanna, say it needs monitored, but basically leave it alone.

Also 100% don't buy Pete getting ANY upperhand on Rick.  Rick's first a trained police officer, and not in exactly BAD shape.  Second, he's been out in the real world, not behind the fantasyland wall.  Third, he's fought the Governor, Claimers, Terminus guys, prisoners, and a sea of undead...  Suddenly Pete the Surgeon is an F'n ninja though?  Please.

Had the scene of going through the window been simply Pete going through it, and Rick coming out the front door, I'd believe that a billion times more.  I hated that entire fight sequence.

And I really hate everyone in Alexandria at this point.  The only redeemable citizen is the dog the kid was walking, and maybe the fat girl at the warehouse who obviously forgot to do her cardio in the zombie apocalypse.  The rest are idiots, and Deanna is their queen.

Oh, and very much over Sasha...  FFS kill her soon because she's boring at this point.  She's apparently the only one allowed to have feelings.

I was warned this episode was ass, and it kinda was.  Darryl/Aaron were without a doubt the most interesting aspect of the whole thing.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Qui-Gon Jim on March 23, 2015, 07:58 AM
Maybe she was just coming to, as a zombie that is, since that'd happened just
recently?
I think that the girl was dead, and that she turned while Darryl was holding her head.

At one point during this episode, I asked my wife if anyone was actually inside the walls.  Definitely disappointed that there was no follow-up on Gabriel.   I agree with Jesse- Rick ripped someone's throat out with his teeth.  A softie from inside the walls is not beating Rick in a scrum.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on March 23, 2015, 10:00 AM
I hated this episode. I thought the writing was atrocious, especially pretty much everything Rick said/did. He just seemed completely out of character. WTF was he thinking telling Deanna about executing Pete? Rick wouldn't do that. And he certainly wouldn't go all crazy Rick waving his gun around like that at the end. He's way past that. And NO WAY IN HELL does a weak dope like Pete go toe to toe with Rick like that even for a few seconds. This is the dude who destroyed Man-Mountain Tyreese. He's got chunks of guys like Pete in his stool, for chrissake.

I kept thinking what Carol told Rick when they arrived: "You were wrong, but you were right".

He should have taken the moral high ground with Deanna, who is basically revealed to be just like Dawn. Go ahead and rape/abuse our women as long as it keeps things running smoothly. What kind of idiotic self-loathing woman, a former congrsswoman no less, would get on board with that? It's asinine. Rick could have made that obvious but he bungled that whole conversation.

How would Nicholas have known about Rick's gun? And why would he even care/need it?

Sasha is an idiot. Keep wasting ammo, babe, that's just what "they" are hoping for by herding all these walkers towards your gate. And WTF was she looking at when she saw that woman running? Her act is growing tiresome.

I didn't really get the whole thing with the woman strapped to the tree. What were the remains by the fire? Not hers clearly. Was she with someone else and they got jumped? Is that the implication? She was supposed to be walker bait?

What I did like: the girl with Carl turning out NOT to be a mole/psycho/whatever. Just a normal kid. Also liked Glenn getting heavy with Dick-o-las.

Agreed it was weird that Deanna never took the time to talk to Glenn or Eugene.

#KeepWalking
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Qui-Gon Jim on March 23, 2015, 01:00 PM
Pretty much with you note-for-note, McMetal.  Rick has seemed pretty out of character since they arrived.  One smell of a clean woman drives him nuts?  Hasn't it only been a couple months at best since his wife was killed? 

Also so, so done with Sasha.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BillCable on March 23, 2015, 01:48 PM
Sasha was looking at the crowd rush to see the fight.

I think the loose limbs are somehow associated with that truck full of torsos they ran into earlier in the season.  I'd guess they're trying to weaponize them somehow, but I can't imagine how being limbless would make them effective.  Maybe they fill a pit with them and toss in enemies?

Doesn't make sense at all how Rick's lost his ****, but I expect a lot of people are going to suffer as a result of it.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on March 23, 2015, 02:44 PM
Based on Deanna's desire for transparency, we'd have to assume she talked to Glenn and Eugene. But they didn't want to pay Eugene for this episode (is that how it works?).

I dislike how they did the follow-up to last episode. The awkward family listening to Nine-Inch Nails, the casserole snub, the "who is in the graves?" mystery (did anyone recover body parts from last week?), Glenn's wasted efforts talking to irredeemable Nick.

Rick made Gabriel's case better than Gabriel ever could.
Rick is now Shane, Michonne is Rick, Sasha is Michonne.

Lifetime channel movie antics with Rick and the abused wife...watch, she'll end up killing Pete or her youngest son will.

There is an absurdity to Alexandria, because so far, Aaron seems to be the only competent person. Deanna has noble ideals, but cannot enforce them well. Everyone else seems to think what happens outside the walls, stays there.

The magic hollowed out make-out tree, which would be a death trap if the walkers saw you inside it.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt_Fury on March 23, 2015, 11:15 PM
The people of Alexandria think they are completely secure...it will take something drastic to wake them up.

The people of Alexandria do not think other people pose a real threat to them...it will take something catastrophic to make them think differently.

Someone, or some group is out there cutting up walkers to use their torsos as some sort of weapons.  They attacked and killed everyone at Noah's home and now seem to have moved near Alexandria.  Guess we will find out who they are next week.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on March 23, 2015, 11:30 PM
Catapult zombie torsos in?  Like raining fire down, but in zombie form?  Seems kinda unlikely.

BTW let me also say, F the constant wasting of ammo...  highly unbelievable that anyone in this situation would be letting Sasha go release pressure by pissing away AR15 rounds in the woods.  Get back to killing silently with melee weapons and grow the F up you silly little girl.  Welcome to the apocalypse, my kid cut his baby sister out of his mother's stomach then shot her in the head...  I think you're not the only mental case out here.  Dumb dumb.

All of them though, stop wasting rounds...  Just stop it, and quit with the douchebaggery.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BillCable on March 24, 2015, 07:36 AM
Don't they have a pretty stout supply of ammo?  I remember racks of rifles and a freezer full of handguns, but I don't remember seeing ammo boxes.  I think if there was any hint of a shortage the quartermaster would stop handing it out.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on March 24, 2015, 04:12 PM
In a world where you can't go to WM and buy more, you always have an ammo shortage.  Unless they have someone there capable of reloading, it is always a waste.  Especially the larger caliber stuff.  .22 shells may be ok to piss away some and pick off zombies long range but I think I'd want a stockpile of the big stuff for bigger problems.  Like people.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: P-Siddy on March 24, 2015, 04:33 PM
Perhaps the show is on "Unlimited Ammo" mode?
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Qui-Gon Jim on March 24, 2015, 04:42 PM
Perhaps the show is on "Unlimited Ammo" mode?
I'd say that's the case since it seemed like Michonne fired 7000 shots from that pistol. I don't really care about this kind of thing normally, but everything else is presented as so realistic, the lack of concern about using bullets drives  me nuts.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: JediJman on March 24, 2015, 05:46 PM
I guess I'm in the minority, but I'm really liking the Alexandria storyline.  These people had stockpiles of supplies and wouldn't have had trouble getting more with most of the population initially cleared out.  They got a wall up with little opposition and are absolutely clueless about how to survive in the new world.  Given those circumstances, of course they are mostly made up of worthless idiots.  Deanna recognizes that they need to change and grow - I just think she's overwhelmed with grief over her son.  She hasn't experienced loss as much as most people.

On the flip side, I think Rick and others are wildly confused about what's right and wrong in this new world.  I think a lot of you are disregarding the long term mental impact of surviving a zombie apocalypse.  It would have to be shocking surviving on the road for so long, then showing up in a gated community with all the riches of normal life.  Look at how Michonne felt like she was coming out of a daze this episode.  They're stuck between this fantasy of safety versus knowing the dangers (human and zombie) that are right outside and maybe even within Alexandria's walls. 

Rick has opposition for leadership for pretty much the first time since Shane.  He talks big about taking what they want, but I think that heavily conflicts with his sense of humanity and right vs. wrong.  I thought the domestic struggle was fascinating.  I saw it less as Rick vs. Pete and more about Human Rick vs. Animal Rick.  He could have just shot Pete if he could bring himself to do that, but instead he's grappling with what to do about this guy and further conflicted because he's drawn to Jesse.  He's holding back.  Is he doing this for her benefit or for his and what's really the best thing for the group if this is their only doctor?  That's totally Rick fighting with himself, not Pete kicking his ass.

I think Nicholas spotted Rick hiding the gun initially, which makes sense if he's one of the group's runners.  He snatched and hid it for an emergency.  I hope he never gets the chance to use it.  I loved the voting on the talking dead where people said the most interesting thing to throw at a zombie would be Nicholas. 

I do think the blatant waste of ammo is annoying.  It was great when Rick's group stood by the overpass and just dodged walkers to get rid of them.  But the Alexandria people are living a life of excess, so not surprised to find it's fairly easy to acquire and waste bullets at will.  Also getting tired of Sasha - she is filling a critical role as sniper, but the rampage is getting tiresome.

I suspect the people of Alexandria know what's going on with the W - they just haven't said anything about it yet.  This wasn't in the comics that I recall, but I think it's leading up to a new baddie for the group to tangle with, which should be great.  Can't wait to see what the premise is for zombie torsos.  The most interesting part is that the girl tied to the tree just recently turned.  So if she's not from Alexandria, then there must be other survivors nearby. 

I really like the Daryl and Aaron pairing.  Agree that they are the best part of the show right now.  I don't understand why they didn't go after the campfire or whatever it was they saw though.  Their job is to find new people and it sure seemed like they had time to get to the camp or whatever that was.  Even if they got there late, isn't Daryl some kind of master tracker?  Whoever that was is clearly tied to the whole W mystery.

Bring on the finale!

Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on March 24, 2015, 05:55 PM
Walking up on a camp of unknown people at night would be dangerous.  Aaron waited until morning to contact Rick's group.

Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on March 24, 2015, 06:08 PM
I had a similar thought on Rick/Pete fight but it seems like he was losing at times, and I can't see him letting it get that close is all.  He should've just beat Pete solidly, IMO.  They could've shown him struggle to not kill him a number of ways.  Have Pete come at rick with a shard of the window even?  Make him out to be even more or a dillhole.  I just hated him having any real one on one advantage.  Drives me batty.  Guy beat Shane!  And that was a long time ago when Rick wasn't as hardened.

I'm curious how the finale will set up next season.  It's gonna be interesting for sure.  I figured they'd have established the new threat more by now honestly.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on March 25, 2015, 08:40 AM
I had a similar thought on Rick/Pete fight but it seems like he was losing at times, and I can't see him letting it get that close is all.  He should've just beat Pete solidly, IMO.  They could've shown him struggle to not kill him a number of ways.  Have Pete come at rick with a shard of the window even?  Make him out to be even more or a dillhole.  I just hated him having any real one on one advantage.  Drives me batty.  Guy beat Shane!  And that was a long time ago when Rick wasn't as hardened.

I'm curious how the finale will set up next season.  It's gonna be interesting for sure.  I figured they'd have established the new threat more by now honestly.

The problem is that once they introduce the "new threat" they're done. They're out of material. They are very close to catching up to the comic now. The next bad guy is the last one. I think they need at least another season of "Farmer Rick" type filler to let the comic forge ahead into some new territory.

And I haven't seen any casting scoop for that role so I am guessing that person will not be in the finale at least.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: GrandMoffNick on March 25, 2015, 10:50 AM
This is season 5. TV shows don't normally last that much longer even when popular (ie breaking bad). The bad guy, soo excited,  will be hinted if not named, but not shown, on Sunday. They can cast him soon. I think they could do two seasons of him and let the comics jump ahead if the show is still running then and then have more material to base things on
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: JediJman on March 25, 2015, 11:23 AM
Walking up on a camp of unknown people at night would be dangerous.  Aaron waited until morning to contact Rick's group.

Disagree.  I don't think there's any more danger coming up at night versus the daytime.   Daryl can flank Aaron as backup and they would have a greater element of surprise.  Remember Aaron was watching Rick's group for days and was close enough to overhear conversations. Coming up on a group in daylight without any recon seems like about the most dangerous thing you can do in the WD universe.

The problem is that once they introduce the "new threat" they're done. They're out of material. They are very close to catching up to the comic now. The next bad guy is the last one. I think they need at least another season of "Farmer Rick" type filler to let the comic forge ahead into some new territory.

I think it might seem that way given how fast they have covered comic material, but they're really still years behind.  Assuming they even go that route, the bad guy you refer to in the comics was around for 3-4 times as many issues as the Governor.  They can easily make a couple seasons out of that storyline if they want to.  There's a ton of material there depending on what they want to cover.  The comic is also several issues past that and on to another threat that would be even cooler to see on TV IMO.  That's three seasons worth of TV if the comic stopped today.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt_Fury on March 26, 2015, 12:48 AM
Disagree.  I don't think there's any more danger coming up at night versus the daytime.   Daryl can flank Aaron as backup and they would have a greater element of surprise.  Remember Aaron was watching Rick's group for days and was close enough to overhear conversations. Coming up on a group in daylight without any recon seems like about the most dangerous thing you can do in the WD universe.

Didn't he have a parabolic mic?
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on March 26, 2015, 01:12 AM
I think if anything Darryl/Aaron would want to recon the group in daylight, just to see what's what.

And yeah, Aaron had a listening device in the car.  That was what made even Michonne question her decision to trust him before they went zombie mowing.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: GrandMoffNick on March 29, 2015, 09:55 AM
Please let us hear those five magic letters tonight!
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on March 29, 2015, 07:02 PM
Please let us hear those five magic letters tonight!

J-E-S-U-S!

 :D

jk, i know who you mean. But i think tonight will be all about getting the safe zone house in order.

Hoping we get a glimpse of whatever Morgan has been up too as well.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: GrandMoffNick on March 29, 2015, 07:39 PM
My prediction is the season ends with us hearing his voice while we see Lucille.

That's totally prediction. I don't read internet stuff.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on March 29, 2015, 11:44 PM
That was a step down from last season's finale.
But at least it was 90 minutes, which means, what...45 minutes of actual show? Seriously, I sometimes watch Star Trek TNG reruns on BBC America and I've noticed that they cut scenes out. One ended on a different scene than the original broadcast version.

Summer "companion" series, Fear The Walking Dead, will only be 6 episodes in season 1. Though they are committed to a season 2, you'd think they'd made the order higher considering they've debuted other new shows with 10 episodes (like Low Winter Sun, which flopped).
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: GrandMoffNick on March 30, 2015, 12:46 AM
I would have liked the pay off of that episode to have been more than "them all coming together".

For me this would have been a really good 2nd from last episode of the season.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on March 30, 2015, 03:37 AM
OMFG I can't believe someone else hates that BBC America BS editing of ST:TNG.  It pissed me off so much when I first noticed it!  Glad I'm not alone.

I liked the finale...  Rick's speech was solid.

I liked the "coming together" aspect, really, only because the glimpses of the Wolves I think implies a rocky road ahead for the group, for the town, for everyone in general.

I liked how Morgan's story was interwoven into things, and how it ultimately ended.

I was ok with it.  I thought someone was going to croak other than who did (trying to remain fairly quiet on spoilers since it's so early).  I liked it I guess.

Carol's speech was great, and funny.

Still weirded out that Nicholas knew where that pistol was though?  I'm assuming he was stalking them?  He clearly demonstrated he's known how to quietly get outside, so maybe he was watching them all along?  I dunno.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: GrandMoffNick on March 30, 2015, 06:42 AM
Rick's speech was solid.
I liked the "coming together" aspect, really, only because the glimpses of the Wolves I think implies a rocky road ahead for the group, for the town, for everyone in general.
I liked how Morgan's story was interwoven into things, and how it ultimately ended.
I was ok with it.  I thought someone was going to croak other than who did (trying to remain fairly quiet on spoilers since it's so early).  I liked it I guess.

Agree, agree, agree, agree................... but not as the "now wait half a year til next fall episode".

I really like the "twist" that no one (between Rick & Alexandria's groups or Gabriel) did anything to each other. I didn't see that coming and it does set up the chaos for next season. But I would have liked something more for the off season hiatus.

Maybe "who are the wolves" should be enough, but I'm not feeling that way right now. I probably was too hopeful we were going to find out it's who I think and because we didn't I'm taking it out on the show.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BillCable on March 30, 2015, 08:28 AM
That was one heck of a Rube Goldberg way of trapping "prey" implemented by the Wolves.  You force a dude to walk around in a red poncho, but NOT get caught, and lure people into a zombie trap.  Thinking about the initial effort to set it up, multiple trials before it actually works, audio equipment maintenance, etc. etc...  seems like there'd be more efficient ways to score a couple backpacks.

I was fine with the finale, but I was expecting some deaths.  All through the last half of the season cast members have been hyping the finale.  "You're gonna want a box of tissues" type stuff.  So it was a bit of a let down on that front.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on March 30, 2015, 09:57 AM
I liked it a lot actually, mostly because I was dreading a lot of whining from the Alexandrites and the inevitable exile of Rick, which thankfully didn't happen. I liked that they focused almost exclusively on the characters we know.

You had to love Carol's nutbusting of Pete. (Apparently no one likes her cooking either) And I also loved the scene with Rick and Michonne, where they sort of made amends and squared up. Even the scene with Abraham and Eugene clicked well. I enjoy the show much more when everyone is one big walker-destroying family.

Glad Tara woke up, especially since her doctor visits are now a thing of the past. But can someone please explain why, after losing Beth, Noah and Tyreese so recently, WHY is Gabriel still alive!?!? Is he the post-apocalype Gilligan of the group now? Put this dbag out of his misery already!

At least it seems like Sasha finally hit the end of her rope and is ready to rein in the crazy now.

Good speeches at the end, still wish someone had just bullet-pointed all of their recent dramas to better illustrate how stupid lucky those people are to be alive: yeah, we met a guy who kept walker heads in an aquarium, then he attacked us with a tank, then we met some people who tried to rape us, then we hooked up with some cannibals, etc etc.

Glad it turned out to be the Wolves and not the Whisperers, as some had been speculating online. I'm not so sure this is _____'s gang though, I think these schmoes may be more akin to the Scavengers from the comics. Leaderless riff-raff who just move from place to place looting and killing. That was some crazy ass walker trap though!

And what can you say about freaking Morgan? Dude is a Jedi now! He is born again hard, but he cost that poor poncho dude his life by letting those two jagoffs live. Talk about awkward reunions though...from "all life is precious" to seeing Rick shoot Pete in the head, LOL.

They continue to do a good job getting me to worry about Glenn getting killed, despite his seeming untouchable status. Dude has some serious bad luck though. And why are we letting Nicholas live again? I guess they need more people to kill next season. Hopefully.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BrentS on March 30, 2015, 10:41 AM

Glad it turned out to be the Wolves and not the Whisperers, as some had been speculating online. I'm not so sure this is _____'s gang though, I think these schmoes may be more akin to the Scavengers from the comics. Leaderless riff-raff who just move from place to place looting and killing. That was some crazy ass walker trap though!



Haven't read forward into the comics yet to know about the Wolves, Whisperer's and whoever is "blank" here.  I wonder though if the leader of the Wolves is the guy that Aaron was talking about with Darryl (Davidson if remember correctly?).  I can't see why they would have "named" him during that part of the discussion if he wasn't going to come back and haunt the Alexandrites.


I thoroughly enjoyed the finale last night.  I thought they tied up the stories nicely and set up the next wave for Season 6.  I was on the edge of my seats a few times wondering what was going to go down.   Didn't have to kill off a main character to keep me in suspense.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on March 30, 2015, 03:57 PM
  I wonder though if the leader of the Wolves is the guy that Aaron was talking about with Darryl (Davidson if remember correctly?).  I can't see why they would have "named" him during that part of the discussion if he wasn't going to come back and haunt the Alexandrites.

I though that initially as well, but they seemed to strongly imply the Wolves only learned about the Safe Zone after recovering Aaron's backpack and looking through the photos. I think they said as much on TD. The exiled guy would have known about it all along.

Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt_Fury on March 30, 2015, 05:35 PM
I thought it was a great episode and I'm curious about who the Wolves are.  I'm sure there's more than just those two idiots, and they are pretty spread out since they alluded that they are the ones who attacked Noah's home.

I like how Morgan saved Aaron and Daryl.  Then the final scene where Rick kills the doc, just as Morgan shows up.  It's almost like their roles are reversed from the last time we saw Morgan and Rick together!

Glad the Fear the Walking Dead starts this summer.  It will ease the pain of having to wait until October to see the next season!
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on March 31, 2015, 01:37 AM
I guess all the gruesomeness of the Noah episode kind of made me ease off wanting a bloodbath for the finale...  So I was ok with it being more a suspense to the next season thing.  They always have some kind of thing to dangle at you anyway.

I thought Glenn was maybe gonna bite it at one point or another, since they basically had him escape, twice.  I figured they'd off him on a 3rd at one point and perhaps deviate from his comic story, as I've heard.

Look at things this way, the new show starts this Summer, so there's always that to look forward to a little sooner than the old show's return in October.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: GrandMoffNick on April 1, 2015, 07:21 PM
  I wonder though if the leader of the Wolves is the guy that Aaron was talking about with Darryl (Davidson if remember correctly?).  I can't see why they would have "named" him during that part of the discussion if he wasn't going to come back and haunt the Alexandrites.

I though that initially as well, but they seemed to strongly imply the Wolves only learned about the Safe Zone after recovering Aaron's backpack and looking through the photos. I think they said as much on TD. The exiled guy would have known about it all along.

I acknowledge I say this because I'm still hoping that the Wolves are the S@%&#*s. It seemed like the pictures the Wolves guy was looking at were of Rick, etc. So maybe they were going for Davidson (do they ever tell us you know who's last name in the comics?) will be interested to know Alexandria has taken in new people and not that they are now learning of Alexandria all together?

Who was on TD? Now if actors and producers on TD implied the picture thing was the Wolves learning of Alexandria my hopeful theory makes no sense.

I do think Davidson is going to be you know who which obviously changes his character some (hopefully just back story changes). I agree mentioning Davidson makes no sense if you aren't going to bring him back in some way. So the question is are the Wolves w/ him or a different group?


Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: GrandMoffNick on April 2, 2015, 01:27 PM
The more I think about the show vs the comic I've concluded the wolves are the scavengers, not the cooler s group and season six will end with you know who making his crazy powerful first appearance. The internet might explode next summer
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt on April 2, 2015, 02:34 PM
Who's this "you-know-who" you keep referring to? Is there some Harry Potter crossover in the comics? Or are you just talking about Negan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negan)?
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BillCable on April 2, 2015, 02:45 PM
Yeah, I don't consider names of future characters to be spoilers, unless you say "Zeek is definitely going to appear at the start of Season 6" because you saw it on IMDB.

But the fact that there's a dude named Nagan in the comics isn't a spoiler.  I saw the dude from Mad Men is rumored to get the role.

I'm through about the first 55 issues of the books.  Trying not to get ahead of the show.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: GrandMoffNick on April 2, 2015, 03:54 PM
The Voldemort stuff in The Walking Dead comics is kind of a let down......
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: JediJman on April 2, 2015, 05:25 PM
Davidson was an actual character in the comics, pretty similar to how he's been mentioned in the show.  He was the guy that founded Alexandria and was cast out by Douglas, never to be seen again.  Rick passes by his gravestone at one point in the comics, but they never really go back to him.  He could be playing a broader role in the show ...or that could just be a red herring. 
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: GrandMoffNick on April 2, 2015, 05:51 PM
I'm horrible with names. I forgot about that.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Pete_Fett on October 10, 2015, 01:09 PM
I won tickets to attend the Walking Dead Season 6 Fan Premiere last night at Madison Square Garden in NYC.

I was a really fun time, they had props and costumes on display, actors dressed as zombies making their way through the crowd and in addition to getting to see the first episode of season 6, two nights early, the entire cast was there for a Q&A session after the episode aired. They even brought back actors who had been in previous season and are now dead like (and I'm gonna use character names cause I'm not so good with the actors' names) Herschel, Beth, T-Dog, Merle, Tyrese and Shane.

The panel started off with Rick and his entire crew and then they brought out Morgan and four other actors from the Alexandria group. So it was a really large gathering of the cast from the show.

The episode itself was great, I don't want to spoil anything, so I won't say more than that - but definitely get ready to wash the bad taste out of your mouth that is Fear The Walking Dead this Sunday!!!
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on October 10, 2015, 07:11 PM
Pete, that is awesome! Did you have to watch and phone in the secret code words during an episode?

I'm ready for tomorrow night!
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Pete_Fett on October 10, 2015, 08:14 PM
Pete, that is awesome! Did you have to watch and phone in the secret code words during an episode?

I'm ready for tomorrow night!

Yep, they had it for the first 4 Fear the Walkng Dead episodes - I did it for both my wife and myself each week. Got an email last Monday letting me know I had won tickets for me and a guest to attend.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Morgbug on October 11, 2015, 01:47 AM
Pete, that is awesome! Did you have to watch and phone in the secret code words during an episode?

I'm ready for tomorrow night!

Yep, they had it for the first 4 Fear the Walkng Dead episodes - I did it for both my wife and myself each week. Got an email last Monday letting me know I had won tickets for me and a guest to attend.

Nice.  Always happy to hear real people actually win. 
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Diddly on October 11, 2015, 11:23 PM
Good episode tonight. Didn't quite care for the flashbacks combined with the "live" events but I'll probably like it better on a rewatch.

SO much better than Fear TWD.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Morgbug on October 11, 2015, 11:43 PM
So who caused the distraction at the end?

Carl's "girlfriend"?

The Wolves?

The son of the dude Rick shot last season?
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on October 11, 2015, 11:53 PM
Wolves is the easy guess, but it's probably the wrong one, because I'm not sure the Wolves would know what was going on unless they had a spy inside...if they had a spy, they already would've known about Alexandria.

Father Gabriel?
Enid?
CORAL?
Deanna?
The Governor's Ghost?
Madison from Fear the Walking Dead?

I think the whole plan was a bad idea, it may have been the only workable idea...but it was still a bad idea. My idea was to roll rocks down on the dead. Or find some dynamite or something to blow them up. The one semi falling off the dry run day was awfully convenient. But I'm more surprised they got the one semi moving after it's been there for 2 years or something?

Why's Abraham so glum...did Rosita die and we just not see it? No? Because he's got the hottest gal in town...dude needs to cheer up.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt_Fury on October 12, 2015, 01:35 AM
So who caused the distraction at the end?

Carl's "girlfriend"?

The Wolves?

The son of the dude Rick shot last season?

The Wolves was my first thought.  I think they found out about Alexandria towards the end of the season 5 finale IIRC.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: GrandMoffNick on October 12, 2015, 07:14 AM
I really enjoyed the episode. I liked the flashbacks. I hope the horn at the end wasn't some moron from Alexandria dooming the whole town just to retaliate against Rick.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on October 12, 2015, 10:12 AM
Now that's what I'm talking about!

I liked the B/W time jumps if for no other reason than the juxtaposition of Rick saying Carter would die no matter what to dude getting his face eaten off.

LOL @ Rick asking Carter "do you know who you're talking to?"

I'm more curious about who taught Morgan to Bo Staff than who honked the horn at the end. I'm sure that was the Wolves since otherwise there was no point to putting those scenes with them from last season in the opening crawl. Or maybe it's just a big misdirect.

I think the only problem with the plan was that eventually they would have to stop the Pied Piper thing and they would all just spread out again.

Great to have it back!
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BillCable on October 12, 2015, 10:33 AM
Seems like it'd be a pretty rough endurance test leading a shambling hoard for 20 miles.  That's like a full day of non-stop driving.

It's amazing just how much better this show is written than Fear was.  Sure, there was the convenient "truck falling while we're watching" thing, but for the most part things made sense.  Real personal motivations.  Real characters.  I think one of the best moments was when Morgan spoke to Carol.  Shows how Morgan isn't blind like the rest of the residents, and Carol caught off-guard.  I think "Aren't you sweet" was code for "I'm gonna have to pop a cap off in your ass at some point."

I agree the plan wasn't the best plan.  They may not have explosives, but they have fire at least.  They also had those frontloaders parked at the place Glenn cleared out.  Those things are impervious to anything flesh-and-blood zombies could do, even in the tens of thousands.  Just go for a joy ride.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: jedipurge on October 14, 2015, 10:07 AM
my idea was to burn em, I mean there has to be some sort of fuel truck packed full of gas that never got delivered. there was time to line up a bunch of cars along the road to coral them surely there was enough time to find a fuel truck or even pump some gas into barrels or something. and u don't have to dump a whole truck load of fuel either, a control burn would've at least disabled them, if not burned their brain,  to the point they couldn't walk around and cause harm. BAD idea too me.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt_Fury on October 14, 2015, 04:29 PM
The only thing worse than having to fight off a horde of thousands of zombies is trying to fight off a horde of thousands of zombies that are on fire.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on October 14, 2015, 07:10 PM
I don't think there's any good solution short of trying to take out the roads they used to get out of the pit...  Obviously you can't shoot them, it's not even a good idea if you THOUGHT you had enough ammo.  You can't seemingly burn them because gas is in short supply as ammo would be (gas doesn't do well over time to boot), and zombies survive fire as we've seen.  Military-grade explosives would be like ammo, a rarity.  Explosives for places like a quarry become unstable if not stored properly, and who even knows how much you'd need.

I think farming equipment and/or some kind of heavy machinery would do well enough...  It should've at least been considered and should be considered even if this problem didn't arise.  Having things like harvesters around would be quite useful.  Heavy duty military trucks even, welded with low-cutting blades would be useful and should be available somewhere nearby I'd think.  Humvees even wouldn't get stuck on the piles like a car did a while back, but surely there's caterpillar dozers around someone could get and use well enough to just mash and destroy a controlled release of them?

Funny all the Fear the Walking Dead hate, when I was just thinking how the people in Rick's town are all about as dumb as the people in Fear The Walking Dead...  Seemed like a pretty interesting parallel.  Lots of ignorance, and bad ideas seem like something no group is immune to, on either show.  :-X
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: JediJman on October 15, 2015, 02:31 PM
I finally watched it last night and thought the whole episode was awesome.  "Carter" plays a chump on Once as well, so loved seeing him get his dues towards the end.  I'm not sure what else they could have done with the zombies.  Leaving them there as the hoard grows wasn't ideal, and they can't really kill that many of them off.  I was thinking back to the prison and how they had fencing up to just kill them one at a time, but that would take forever.  The comic eventually has them luring herds off away from civilization, so cool to see that on the show already. 

Obviously they went this way to support the plot, but I think maybe they could have diverted the hoard sooner or immediately got them moving in another direction.  They had a car, so why not just use that horn as the noisemaker instead of all the gunshots and flares?  In fact, why not use the horn to offset that other noisemaker at the end?  They should have just used all that construction equipment to make a big pit and lured them all in there.  I didn't really understand the big rush, but it was all fun and exciting.

As for Morgan and the Bo Staff, that was a really interesting, deliberate question from Rick on who trained him.  I wonder if Morgan is really on his own or scouting for some other group.  This might be how they bring in *SPOILER* Jesus, who could have found and trained Morgan.  Interested in seeing how that one plays out.  As for the horn, my money's on the Wolves.  They made a point of showing that Wolves Are Near sign at the beginning and those guys are obviously well experienced with controlling/redirecting zombies.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on October 15, 2015, 06:49 PM
The Big Rush was because the episode required there be one. Just like it required Carter being out there to die.

Chris Hardwick on Talking Dead said "The quarry of trapped Walkers answers what I've wondered, how Alexandria has survived so long"

Yet, Deanna alluded to the fact that area was mostly evacuated early on...less people = less undead. It was already answered.

Another solution to the horde, fire trucks, high pressure hoses...blast them apart. Eugene figured it out last season.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on October 15, 2015, 07:18 PM
The high pressure hose would work if you had enough water, but pumper trucks have only so much and I doubt even Alexandria would have enough water in its systems (assuming they're somehow independent?) to get THAT many blown apart like you'd hope...

I really lean to crushing them with armored-up heavy equipment as the only safe way to go, but I'd not want to be out in a sea of them driving a dozer around myself for sure.  I'd want as many of those things as you could get, going all at once...  They're not terribly hard to drive, wouldn't get stuck, theoretically, if you were able to get them all on a fairly stable surface...  I dunno.  Nothing seems very "good" about any of it.  Zombie herds just blow.  :-\
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt_Fury on October 17, 2015, 12:46 AM
Chris Hardwick on Talking Dead said "The quarry of trapped Walkers answers what I've wondered, how Alexandria has survived so long"

Yet, Deanna alluded to the fact that area was mostly evacuated early on...less people = less undead. It was already answered.

I think it's more than that.  Remember when Rick was talking to Morgan how these people have just been living since the Zombie Apocalypse started and that haven't had to survive.  Unlike Woobdury, there hasn't been a lot of Walkers showing up at Alexandria...mainly because they've been getting trapped at the quarry.  Guiding a herd of zombies is what they are doing in the comics, so it made sense to me for them to start doing it in the show at some point.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on October 17, 2015, 08:02 PM
Now that they decided it was more than that.
It wasn't a mystery, more ignorance on the part of the Alexandrians.

The people haven't had to survive because only some go on supply runs, which is where people end up dead...seemingly mostly newbies (that's the impression from Deanna's son and his still living buddy). The system insulated most of the inhabitants from the horrors outside.

Now they have Rick. Rick knows who should like and die...like that red backpacker in season 3....Rick knew that guy was a goner.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: jedipurge on October 17, 2015, 09:44 PM
The only thing worse than having to fight off a horde of thousands of zombies is trying to fight off a horde of thousands of zombies that are on fire.

if they burn long enough sure they may survive but there not going anywhere very fast if if their feet are mostly burned off, they wouldn't be able to keep balance, or fire could possibly burn off enough leg muscle for them not to be able to walk so who care if they 'live'. i mean look at them head splatting just walking into the wall.   

i wonder how well like steamroller would drive on dirt road like that, armor up the cab and just squish em all.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: GrandMoffNick on October 18, 2015, 11:58 PM
That was awesome.
The scene where the smoking lady gets cut down sure caught me off guard.
Not sure what to think about Morgan.
Not sure I'm thrilled I don't think The Wolves are either of the comic groups I thought they might be anymore though.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt_Fury on October 19, 2015, 01:08 AM
Tonight's episode was awesome!  Next week looks great too, looks like Rick and the rest of the shepherds are trying to steer the herd away still.

Also, I guess that Kevin Smith will be showing up on Talking Dead every year while his crappy Comic Book Men show is on AMC...sigh.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on October 19, 2015, 01:13 AM
JSS...I thought it was Jesus without the vowels.
Turtles would be doomed in the zombie apocalypse...unless Walkers got bored trying to pry the meat out of the shell.
Put someone in charge of the armory who has never fired a gun.
Carl displayed a bit of weakness getting that close to the guy he shot...should've known better given his own experience. (call back to unapologetically killing the unarmed guy at the prison...but yet, he wasn't entirely wrong back then.)
Only Morgan arrived? I can't remember, was anyone else running towards town after the horn?
What was Morgan carrying at the end?

Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BillCable on October 19, 2015, 08:23 AM
JSS...I thought it was Jesus without the vowels.

Just Survive Somehow

Absolutely fantastic episode, from the first frame to the last.  It's looking like the Wolves are fanatics or zealots of some sort.  Talking about freeing the people from Alexandria, and that dude at the end saying he didn't have a choice.

Carol is no joke.

I could really tell which building Morgan was walking into, so I was completely expecting him to walk into the armory and get popped.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Diddly on October 19, 2015, 11:04 AM
I love the episodes where Carol gets to be a total badass. Also watching Jessie go berzerk on that chick was kinda cool.

What did that one Wolf say to Morgan? Something about how Morgan should have killed him? I just ditched cable last week and am watching on Sling, so I can't rewind/pause anymore.

I'm thinking Morgan was there because Rick sent him back to explain what happened to Rusty Griswold. Maybe Rick is thinking they would take the news better from Morgan than someone else.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BillCable on October 19, 2015, 11:45 AM
I thought he said Morgan couldn't do it (kill him), and that he should have.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: JediJman on October 23, 2015, 10:43 AM
I thought he said Morgan couldn't do it (kill him), and that he should have.

Yeah, that was my take.  Both the guys that recognized Morgan (First in the group fight, then the ambush guy in the home) were from last season, right?  Weren't they the hiker guys that had Morgan trapped, but he fought them off and stashed them alive in a car?  I think this episode was all about Morgan getting to the realization that Rick is right about not letting dangerous people live.  Morgan is pro life and Rick is Pro Choice.   :D  The Ambush guy figured out that Morgan could have killed him a couple of times, but couldn't, and this guy was just going to keep coming.  By the end I think Morgan has come to the realization that he is going to have to kill the living, but is pretty unhappy with that realization.  I also think that him letting the group fight guy survive and run off with a gun is going to come back to haunt him. 

That episode was awesome.  Huge crazy fight out of knowhere.  I like the horn reveal - not intentional, but not some silly accident either.  Carol is awesome/psychotic.  Awesome quick thinking to disguise herself as one of them and then start taking them out one by one.  I loved seeing more of Morgan's stick fighting as well.  A second week with someone asking who trained him?  That's got to be leading to someone.  I like how they are introducing new characters like the doctor slowly and not making the whole episode about them, though I wish the doctor had been able to save Holly.  Both have bigger storylines in the comics. 

As for the wolves, what is up with these guys?  Definitely a bunch of nutbags as they keep hacking away at people after they're dead.  It's a weird dynamic that they're crazy and yet seemingly well organized to take Alexandria.  And one of the guys referenced that they had no choice, but to attack?  I wonder if the same pyscho from the comics ends up being the baddie in charge of these guys.  They sure seem a lot more like the Scavengers from the comics based on the attack.  And did it seem to anyone else like Enid was in on all this?  I wonder if she was sneaking out to pass along information to the Wolves, and she clearly seemed  prepared to leave at a convenient time.  JSS indeed.  Can't wait for the next episode!
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on October 23, 2015, 10:52 AM
Both those Wolves Morgan talks to were from last season's finale.

I'd be disappointed if Enid was with the wolves. I think she is a one-person version of rick's group. She realized that Alexandria was too civilized and unprepared for the world outside to last, and was always prepared to flee because of that.

Also, they didn't seem to know about Alexandria until Aaron dropped his bag last season. Or that's the impression.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BrentS on October 25, 2015, 10:18 PM
Well, crap...
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Chris M on October 25, 2015, 10:33 PM
Well, crap...
Exactly.  I feel like I just got kicked in the nuts and then they were set on fire.  Gonna be a long week or two waiting to find out...
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Morgbug on October 25, 2015, 10:34 PM
Well, crap...

yeah.   :-\
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on October 25, 2015, 11:00 PM
I'm not buying it...yet. I still think Nicholas fell on top of him.

They should have just crawled inside the dumpster!

Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on October 25, 2015, 11:12 PM
There's no reasonable way he could make it short of a star trek transporter beam. I was wondering why they did go for a roof top and wait the heard out, but I'm of one those people...which reminds me...

I kept hoping on the Talking Dead that Damon Lindelof would be ripped apart by zombies. "I hate it when people watch these show and go 'If I were Rick I would've...'"

Yeah, you hate how people react normally to watching tv shows, no wonder your writing stinks.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BrentS on October 25, 2015, 11:26 PM
I'm not buying it...yet. I still think Nicholas fell on top of him.
That was my first thought too... Okay second thought after "oh crap"... But I'm not sure how even then he could get away.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BillCable on October 26, 2015, 08:31 AM
My first reaction was "why are his intestines coming out of his chest?"  But I took it at face value as death.  If he's under a body and a hoard of biting zombies, I can't see how he moves much less gets away.  But it sounds like all indicators are that he does.

I typically don't watch the previews for the next week, but they stuck one in mid-show as they were promoting their Preacher trailer.  And the feel I got was the next episode is going to be a flashback on Morgan.  I hope I got the wrong impression, because I don't think that'd be compelling TV for 90 minutes.  Especially with double cliff-hangers.

We shall see...
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: GrandMoffNick on October 26, 2015, 08:58 AM
I'm imagining him crawling under the dumpster and then some tough to imagine very unrealistic event getting him out from there. Loud noise distracts zombies?
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Tracy on October 26, 2015, 09:45 AM
I took it at face value that he's dead  :'(. I can't really imagine a scenario where he escapes that doesn't seem ridiculous. Call it women's intuition or what you like - but I've thought for a while that Maggie was pregnant - and Scott Gimple's note was referring to that. Glenn and Maggie had a little moment before he left that I thought alluded to it. We shall see I guess  :-\
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on October 26, 2015, 10:03 AM
If next week is all flashbacks, it seems like they'll drag the events of one day over the entire first half of the season.

I challenge anyone to find a dumpster you can crawl under. But yeah, they might pull a fast one on us.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: GrandMoffNick on October 26, 2015, 10:40 AM
I expected Glenn to die soon (or Maggie), but was not expecting it like this.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: JediJman on October 26, 2015, 03:07 PM
Just watched it.  Gut wrenching for sure - I did not see that coming.  I thought for sure they would climb the side fencing or something.  I can't figure out any logical way that Glenn is okay.  Sounds like we will have him in a Flashback or maybe as a ghost/hallucination.  I'm guessing they track down his pack or something to know for sure that he's gone.  It is odd that they didn't show him on TD as being gone though...

There sure were a lot of trapped/closed off alleys in that little town.  Or did group run into the only two places in town with highly secure fencing blocking the path forward?

As for Rick, I know he was exhausted, but how do you not lock the doors and keep an eye on your surroundings?  I think he'll just quietly escape to the top of the RV and the herd will push past or get drawn off.  If they can't see or hear you, the top of a high vehicle like that would be pretty safe I think. 

The last two shows were really awesome to watch.  Morgan flashback next week will hopefully still show some material from the present.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BillCable on October 26, 2015, 03:22 PM
Yeah, I was taken back by the heavy steel gate that Michonne climbed over.  How was that gate there?  It was also annoying that it took her like 45 seconds to pull free and climb over.

The chain-link dead end made more sense.  Though I don't know why, when you were on the dumpster, you wouldn't just climb across the fence to the roof.  I saw the barbed wire on top of the fence, but the roof seemed pretty clear.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt_Fury on October 27, 2015, 12:37 AM
The chain-link dead end made more sense.  Though I don't know why, when you were on the dumpster, you wouldn't just climb across the fence to the roof.  I saw the barbed wire on top of the fence, but the roof seemed pretty clear.

That was a bit of a jump to the side...and there were walkers directly behind them.

After watching that scene a couple of times, it's clear to me that we don't see Glenn get bitten...the walkers are tearing apart Nicholas.  That being said, if he did actually survive, I'll be kind of disappointed in the show that they didn't have the stones to go through with it.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on October 27, 2015, 08:58 AM
Glenn has to live so he can meet Lucille.  ;)
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on November 2, 2015, 12:44 AM
I see a lot of griping elsewhere about tonight's episode (got some people's goat  :P), but it was obvious from the previews what/who it would focus on.

I found it alright. Not sure why Morgan left his town entirely...did he burn the whole town down? But he had to leave, because that's the story.

The NOW time ending was the only part where I got annoyed. Once again we might have the "someone keeping something a secret that they should outright tell everyone, but instead it'll lead to tragedy" but that's every tv show these days.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: GrandMoffNick on November 2, 2015, 06:53 AM
I knew we were looking at a all Morgan episode from the preview so I was ok with that, but I thought the episode itself was way too little story in an 1.5 hour episode and when you've just killed off Glenn it was a pretty big let down to me.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BillCable on November 2, 2015, 08:02 AM
I don't think Morgan intends to keep his prisoner a secret.  But I could be wrong...

I think they could easily have told this tale just as effectively in 60 minutes.  To announce a special 90-minute episode the week after two huge cliff-hangers, and make it all flashback without addressing either of the cliff-hangers... I can see why people are pissed.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on November 2, 2015, 09:36 PM
At least we know Rick got out of the RV somehow, pretty sure that was his voice at the very end there.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt_Fury on November 3, 2015, 12:50 AM
At least we know Rick got out of the RV somehow, pretty sure that was his voice at the very end there.

Really?  I thought it was Heath.

Overall, I thought it was a good episode...interesting on how there have actually been hints of this in some of Morgan's dialogue throughout his return.  After the pace of the first few episodes, it was nice to slow it down a little and yet not have it all in the past.  I was a little surprised to see he didn't actually kill the lone wolf...although I think Alexandria is in for some trouble when he gets out.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Qui-Gon Jim on November 3, 2015, 07:35 AM
I thought the episode was great.  The theme of being in one's own prison was fantastic, complete with Morgan actually locking the Wolf in his "prison."  I think that Morgan's character arc will be very much like Eastman's, and at the end he will be sacrificed to bring Rick's humanity back. 
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Chris M on November 3, 2015, 09:37 AM
I thought it was a pretty good episode.  I am a little irritated there was nothing from the Glen or Rick end, but I expected that.

With Morgan walking away from the cabin, I felt there was a little "hope."  I'm not sure how that will play out, especially with the Wolf who said he'd kill as soon as he got the chance.  But all in all, it was nice to have a little glimmer of sunshine, because we know this show does nothing but rip you apart.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on November 3, 2015, 07:12 PM
I'm kinda with Bill...  I didn't mind Morgan having a lot of focus, just would've liked some of that 1.5 hour episode showing something related to the previous episode.

BTW I also thought that was Heath at the gate, and I also think saving a Wolf will wind up in someone dead.  He said "children".  So I'm guessing old Bowl cut or Judith are toast.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on November 4, 2015, 10:27 AM
LOL, who the hell is Heath?!?

I don't bother to learn the Redshirts' names on this show until they've lasted at least 10 episodes or so. Nicknames are way more fun...ala Hardwick's "Porch Dick".

I would guess he is the angry Glasses dude with Michonne? You guys are probably right...that makes more sense because we already know that bunch got to the gate.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on November 4, 2015, 07:39 PM
Yeah, he's the black guy with dreads.  Comic character if I'm not mistaken, but then again so was 4th Rusty.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt_Fury on November 4, 2015, 09:17 PM
LOL, who the hell is Heath?!?

I don't bother to learn the Redshirts' names on this show until they've lasted at least 10 episodes or so. Nicknames are way more fun...ala Hardwick's "Porch Dick".

I would guess he is the angry Glasses dude with Michonne? You guys are probably right...that makes more sense because we already know that bunch got to the gate.

Already answered, but thanks for the laugh!

Like Jesse said, Heath is pretty prominent in the comics.  He's well cast in the show!
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: JediJman on November 4, 2015, 11:54 PM
I really liked it.  Good back story and we needed n explanation of how Morgan went from nutso to ninja.  This follows to really kickbutt episodes, so bound to be a bit of a letdown for people, but I still enjoyed it.  My only complaint is that I think they are overselling the "Morgan isn't a killer anymore and it's going to come back to bite someone" plot.  We already got that from the Wolves escaping to attack the town and then later attacking Rick.  Hopefully they get the whole group story back together in future episodes.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Tracy on November 8, 2015, 09:49 PM
I took it at face value that he's dead  :'(. I can't really imagine a scenario where he escapes that doesn't seem ridiculous. Call it women's intuition or what you like - but I've thought for a while that Maggie was pregnant - and Scott Gimple's note was referring to that. Glenn and Maggie had a little moment before he left that I thought alluded to it. We shall see I guess  :-\

Nailed it  :D
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on November 8, 2015, 11:15 PM
A month long suspense until we find out for sure...the producers are so cruel.  >:D

Nothing much happened tonight...little bits...but we won't bore you with how Rick ran all the way back home. Carol's taking a long nap.  Teens fighting over a girl who ran away.  Deanna family breakdowns. Father Gabriel's suspicious activities.
Eugene's so-crazy-it-almost-might-work plan to get rid of the surrounding walkers. Rosita's plans for hosting Enid's quinceanera put on hold. Morgan trying to convert his captured Wolf to his new religion: Eastmantology.


All leaving us in suspense as to the burning question on all our minds... TOBIN, WHY WON'T YOU ANSWER YOUR RADIO??
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on November 9, 2015, 02:03 AM
Meh...  I'm so bored with Alexandrians whining about life, or their fear of it ending, that this one kinda left me feeling flat.  A lot of propping up of the moping mob.  That basically sums it up, and that's dull.

Dig the tunnel.  Good thing to know about.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Chris M on November 9, 2015, 08:11 AM
Did anyone see the cover of the book that Tera kicked across the floor to the new "doctor?"  It was blue and had gold embossed lettering that said "Gray's Anatomy."  Stupid ass show, but still pretty cool to see.

The sewer walkers were pretty cool though.

Overall, I thought this was a craptastic filler episode that didn't seem to drive the plot anywhere.  I get that the Alexandrians aren't familiar with having to fight to survive.  They whine about the whining, I get that.  It has grown old quickly.  There was virtually no plot development, to my knowledge, last night.  The only thing that seemed amiss, was the crack in the steel wall at the end.  I saw all the walkers banging on the fence and was thinking back to the prison when the walkers eventually pushed the fence down.

I don't see how skipping over Rick escaping from the horde was passed over completely.  They could have at least done something with that.

Oh well, on to next week and then I'm guessing the last episode of 2015 we will find out what really happened to Glenn.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BillCable on November 9, 2015, 09:07 AM
Did anyone see the cover of the book that Tera kicked across the floor to the new "doctor?"  It was blue and had gold embossed lettering that said "Gray's Anatomy."  Stupid ass show, but still pretty cool to see.

Pretty sure that's the real name of the standard medical anatomy book.  Anybody know if dude's "cure" holds any medical truth?  I don't think removing puss from an infected wound typically results in vast improvements to health.  But I could be wrong.

The only thing that seemed amiss, was the crack in the steel wall at the end.  I saw all the walkers banging on the fence and was thinking back to the prison when the walkers eventually pushed the fence down.

I didn't think that was a crack.  I thought it was blood dripping from somewhere.

I agree with the rest of your assessment.  Not a great episode.  I think the plot developments this week were all about who's hooking up with who.  Not super interesting to the members of this forum, but they gotta cater to their female viewers at some point.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on November 9, 2015, 09:22 AM
I was pleasantly surprised by the scenes with Carl and Porch Dick's son. I figured they would go the easy route and just write him as a sulking time bomb but they seem to be taking a more interesting path. Him reaching out to Rick up on the Wall was a good sign, I thought.

Those sewer walkers were excellently gooey and sick. (LOL, "Deanna-got-her-groove-back Walker")

On Glenn, it seems clear that the whole uncertainty thing was completely intentional now, and they are being deliberately vague about his fate. That's a risky game they are playing IMO. You can't string this thing along too far just to reveal he really was eaten, because that's just jerking the audience around too badly. I considered him maybe showing up at some point as a walker, but they already played that card with Sofia, so I don't see them doing that twice. Still holding out hope for the unlikeliest of escapes. It didn't look good for Rick in that RV either but he magically made it out ok so you never know.  ;)

Forgot about the always interminable Fall break. Sorry Badlands, you will not fill the gap.

Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Chris M on November 9, 2015, 09:34 AM

I didn't think that was a crack.  I thought it was blood dripping from somewhere.

I agree with the rest of your assessment.  Not a great episode.  I think the plot developments this week were all about who's hooking up with who.  Not super interesting to the members of this forum, but they gotta cater to their female viewers at some point.

I didn't totally negate the possibility that was blood.  My only thought was why would it matter if that was blood?  Who's was it going to be that we'd miss?
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Qui-Gon Jim on November 9, 2015, 12:02 PM
I think the "mid-season finale" ends with Glenn at the gates.  Season picks back up with the happy reunion of Glenn and Maggie only to find out that Glenn has been bitten and he will die as Maggie tells him she's preggers.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Tracy on November 9, 2015, 12:31 PM
I think the plot developments this week were all about who's hooking up with who.  Not super interesting to the members of this forum, but they gotta cater to their female viewers at some point.

Generalize much? ::)  I personally don't know any female TWD viewers who are fans because they (we?) are all a flutter over who is hooking up with who. Please keep in mind who the members of this forum are  :). [Steps down off of soap box]
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BillCable on November 9, 2015, 01:10 PM
I see plenty of women post on FB about Glenn/Maggie.  I interpret that to be a big draw for the ladies.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on November 9, 2015, 07:15 PM
To defend Bill some, yeah, if you're on social media (mostly) you'll see that TWD seems to only be about who's banging and "don't you dare kill Darryl" type posts from the female persuasion.  I don't think that group is as invested in the show on any other level as you are Tracy.  They're not dissecting the other aspects of it.

But that's social media for you...  You can't have a conversation with those people though, regardless of their gender.  They're insane for specific characters.  I like making fun of them when people they like die.

The bitching and moaning when Beth died and didn't get it on with Darryl?  When Darryl is forced to ugly cry?  It's fun to rile up folks over that stuff.  >:D
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt_Fury on November 9, 2015, 10:18 PM
So...are we going with Glenn is still alive?

I'm thinking he got a save from Jesus at this point.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Morgbug on November 9, 2015, 10:19 PM


Pretty sure that's the real name of the standard medical anatomy book.  Anybody know if dude's "cure" holds any medical truth?  I don't think removing puss from an infected wound typically results in vast improvements to health.  But I could be wrong.

Indeed, Gray's Anatomy is a standard text in the medical field.  I doubt that you'd find that specific "cure" in there though, given it's anatomy under consideration, not simple medical procedures.  I'll have to check the wife's copy.  As for the cure itself, it may have relieved some pressure and could have taken away some nasty bacteria, but an immediate response on the heart monitor as it's being drawn out?  Yeah, not really.  BTW, I only play a doctor on the internet.   :-*
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on November 10, 2015, 10:09 AM
So...are we going with Glenn is still alive?

I'm thinking he got a save from Jesus at this point.

Ah, I see what you did there.  ;) Well played, sir.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt on November 10, 2015, 12:37 PM
THR: 'Walking Dead' Casts Major Comics Villain Negan (http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/walking-dead-negan-jeffrey-dean-836243)

(http://i.imgur.com/tEDRIa2.jpg)

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Jeffrey Dean Morgan ('The Good Wife,' 'Watchmen') will take on the iconic role from Robert Kirkman's comic series.

Open casting call for the part of Lucille:

(http://i.imgur.com/ikwBeQQ.jpg)
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BillCable on November 10, 2015, 12:59 PM
Decent casting.  He was excellent in Supernatural.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on November 10, 2015, 02:26 PM
Yeah, he was a hell of a Comedian too. I approve.  :)

I didn't realize Tom Payne had been cast also. Business is about to pick up!
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on November 15, 2015, 11:43 PM
When did the US military start using RPG's like that?  Must be some alternate universe thing.

Stupid girl dies stupidly. Die-abetic, die!

Kept expecting the inside walker to get a burst of energy and break the glass.

Rosita vs. Sasha. I'd take Rosita.

Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Chris M on November 16, 2015, 06:32 AM
Really good episode.

I did have the same question about the RPG.  But at the same time, if we must get technical, Abraham is toting around and M16 and the military transitioned away from that particular model years ago.  The giveaway on that is the flash hider and triangular shaped handguard. 

Anyway, I thought this was a really, really good episode.  (I still want to know what happened to Glenn).  I would hope the story with Darryl and Abraham hasn't run it's course yet as this seemed to develop their characters, especially Darryl.  I suspect it will not end well for the bike thieves.

I also wondered about the guys who were looking for the thieves, who were they?  Being that I haven't read past the fall of the prison in the comics, could that have possibly been an introduction to Negan?  I'm thinking similar to the Michonne intro where they never showed the face but you knew who it was? 
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BillCable on November 16, 2015, 08:00 AM
Didn't they say the name of the leader of the exposition to find the thieves?  Wade maybe?

It does seem to be a different group than the Wolves.  They're in clean clothes, have vehicles and guns... totally different MO.  And also no Ws on their foreheads.

This show is so good at generating tension.  I believed Abraham could have bought it when he was messing with the soldier over the bridge.  I believed Daryl could have been popped by the couple.  That's very refreshing about this show... you never know when someone's going to die, so you're always scared.

So does the "Help" at the end mean they're going to resolve the Glenn issue before the fall finale?
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on November 16, 2015, 08:28 AM
What the hell was that??

I spent nearly the whole hour completely bewildered...I actually thought I had missed an episode somewhere along the line that would have made sense of whatever the heck happened. I am going to have to go back and re-watch the whole thing just to get some kind of clue to what was going on.

I did grasp that it was Negan's gang looking for the 3 weirdos...he only likes willing cooch, or whatever the hell that guy said. But like, nothing else made sense that whole episode.

Why are you lying in wait with cars and automatic weapons for 3 losers on foot with one pistol between them? Did they think they had stolen a car or something? (Ok, maybe)

What in the hell were those 3 idiots doing anyway? trying to round up their old gang from high school? WTF were "Patty" and who were the Aunt Beru and Uncle Owen lookalikes in the cabin?

I still don't get how they burned the whole forest up - what was the combustible agent? Gas? Dude's explanation was pretty sketchy.

Why was everything that came out of those 3 people's mouths practically incomprehensible? All that crap about "earning" and being "on your knees" was baffling. Even the "Claimer" gang made more sense than that.

Why would anyone choose Sasha over Rosita???

But the stupidest thing of all was the ending. Daryl is about to take them back to Alexandria where their lives will be infinitely better, they already know they can trust him because he came back to help them, and they STILL decide to screw him over and split? WHY??? Were they planning to go back to Negan's crew? or just take off on their own? That was completely asinine on every level.

It was hard to enjoy the episode at all really because I was just so confused throughout the whole thing. (I guess I am just thick , the rest of you guys seemed to get it)

It concerns me that the show has semed to settle into a pretty predictable formula, they inevitably run into some "bad" group and have to battle it out with them and ultimately triumph and then wash, rinse, repeat. I'm actually pretty sick of that. Why does EVERY group have to be bad for example? Why couldn't they run into a another group like their own? Or maybe just focus on the walkers for a season, that's the name of the show right? This whole idea of the world fell apart and everyone became a rabid psychopath or helpless weakling is getting tiresome.

Didn't mean to sound so grumpy. Just a hard episode to follow, IMHO.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BrentS on November 16, 2015, 09:34 AM
I'm more in McMetal's camp than the others... 

I didn't really care for this episode.  I also I didn't really understand what was going on with the episode.  I get it that it must be a "bridge" to something else but it seems like there will be two different groups to face - the Wolves and now this new group.   I haven't read in the comics much past when Abraham joins the team so I have no idea what could be coming but this episode left me scratching my head.

I didn't watch Talking Dead last night.  Did that shed any light on it?

I can't believe Darryl will go that long without having his crossbow though!
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on November 16, 2015, 10:35 AM


What in the hell were those 3 idiots doing anyway? trying to round up their old gang from high school? WTF were "Patty" and who were the Aunt Beru and Uncle Owen lookalikes in the cabin?

Patty was the fuel truck Daryl found at the end. The 3 went to a fuel company lot "Pattrick fuels" or something. The license plate said "Patti" on it. (Who moved the truck out in the woods, we may never know)

The dead people were people they knew who got caught in the fire they started to kill the walkers.

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I still don't get how they burned the whole forest up - what was the combustible agent? Gas? Dude's explanation was pretty sketchy.
Gas, hence the truck and the fuel company compound.

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Why was everything that came out of those 3 people's mouths practically incomprehensible? All that crap about "earning" and being "on your knees" was baffling. Even the "Claimer" gang made more sense than that.

Deliberate confusion by the writers to create mystery by using characters who call a truck "patti" and are vague in their dialogue.

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Why would anyone choose Sasha over Rosita???

Abraham isn't all there.

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But the stupidest thing of all was the ending. Daryl is about to take them back to Alexandria where their lives will be infinitely better, they already know they can trust him because he came back to help them, and they STILL decide to screw him over and split? WHY??? Were they planning to go back to Negan's crew? or just take off on their own? That was completely asinine on every level.

Can't fix stupid. But they also have  reason to be distrustful of anyone. Remember how Rick and Co. reacted to Aaron's invite.


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Didn't mean to sound so grumpy. Just a hard episode to follow, IMHO.

I didn't get the "Patti" thing until Talking Dead mentioned it.  :-\

What bugged me. The ambush everyone had hero armor, Daryl gets a flesh wound. Abe and Sasha leave behind their enemies' guns and ammo because it's not like those are hard to find.

Also, from what I read,  it's unlikely an insulin would still be usable this far into the pocky lips.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BillCable on November 16, 2015, 11:44 AM
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Why would anyone choose Sasha over Rosita???

Abraham isn't all there.

Different strokes.  Rosita is gorgeous, but she's also not all that bright and she's kind of needy.  Sasha post-breakdown seems a bit more capable.

I say, it's the apocalypse - why not both??

I haven't read any of the Negan books - I'm trying to stay a season behind with the books - but I expect the whole kneeling thing is part of his gig.  I'm thinking he's king of the wasteland.  Submit to his will, and he takes care of you.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on November 16, 2015, 12:58 PM
Wow, good stuff guys...that helps a lot. Thanks! Still have to rewatch that I think, maybe with captioning this time to make it clearer.

i would like to have seen an episode with the wolves attacking this new group. No one to worry about rooting for, just an orgy of violence.

So where did those 2 dipsticks head off to at the end? can they expect to live long after ripping off Daryl?
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt_Fury on November 16, 2015, 03:31 PM
I'm glad I'm not the only one who had trouble with the dialogue...although my tinnitus was pretty bad last night after work.

Overall, I thought it was a decent episode, definitely a lot of set-up for the future, but if you need Talking Dead to explain something that happened in the show...you've had a writing fail.

I figure we will find out about Glenn in two weeks...still thinking he was a miracle from Jesus!
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on November 16, 2015, 08:06 PM
I liked the episode...  It worked ok for me.

Re: the weapons stuff, I think it's as likely this is private stash crap as it is military hardware...  But regarding accuracy in general, I'd take it all back to the two tanks in the show and say not to think about it too hard. :)

But yeah, I mean Abraham hasn't had a military issue M-16 in eons I'd wager.  And who knows where that soldier got the RPG's...  It's the south.   :D

Norman Reedus has leaked it that the voice on the walkie talkie isn't Glenn.  At least that's what he's saying anyway, rather emphatically.

Re: the forest fire, also keep in mind there appeared to be something of a major drought going on not TOO long ago...  It's possible the fire was just ripe for a fire.  I live in an area where burning garbage is still legal, and trust me it doesn't take long for fire to spread.  You don't need gas if things are even relatively dry, actually.

I think the fate of the two that yoinked Darryl's bike and bow are either A) they wind up running into the mega herd and we see remnants of this, or B) they wind up at Alexandria somehow and Darryl gets to see them there.  Either way he's getting the bow back.  I can't see that not happening.

Oh, and I'm with Bill...  I'd want both.

Oh oh, and I'll add that I too didn't catch a lot of the subtle stuff this ep, like Patti and all that.  I got the two glass zombies thing but other stuff was hard to catch.  Hell, even the thing on the walkie talkie at the end was something I didn't hear at first. 

This felt like a lot of Darryl fluff, but supposedly this all somehow plays into the future in some way...  Or so sayeth Norman Reedus.  I'm not sure who the well armed group was, but it's not unheard of for any old random group to turn up too.  The Philly Crew after all.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on November 16, 2015, 11:53 PM
If peeps could get working RPG's in the USA, things would get ugly...uglier.  :(

Someone pointed out the not current issue M-16, but  Abraham could've picked that up on the road...and did, because we saw his flashback...he wasn't on active duty.

I'm wondering about the walkers. Some more decayed and more supernatural like now (Swamp Thing walker...almost a phyto zombie from Z Nation).

"We thought everyone was fighting this thing" - guy

No, over in LA, some people were contributing to the problem by releasing stadiums full of walkers.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on November 17, 2015, 01:13 AM
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If peeps could get working RPG's in the USA, things would get ugly...uglier.  :(

Hey, I own a cannon...  With as many RPG's exist in the world, I have a feeling the US isn't devoid of them.  I don't think they're in the hands of guys doing drive-bys and stuff, but I also don't think things like that are impossible to get if you wanted one bad enough and had the $ to get it.  :-X
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt_Fury on November 17, 2015, 08:15 AM
I can't begin to tell you how useless your cannon will be in a zombie apocalypse.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on November 17, 2015, 03:20 PM
If I have a fortified town tho it'll serve a purpose. :)
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on November 17, 2015, 11:30 PM
What they need is a catapult to deal with herds. Easy to find ammo for a catapult.

Also, a big boulder ala Indiana Jones, or a giant cheese wheel like Z Nation.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: P-Siddy on November 18, 2015, 09:51 AM
Some old 5 POA figures would make great cannon fodder.  Might get lucky enough to kill a few.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BillCable on November 18, 2015, 10:02 AM
Couldn't you just launch a stick of dynamite down the road?  They'd hear a bang and start in that direction.  And then continue moving...
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on November 18, 2015, 11:51 AM
I'd yard-a-pult the dead at the living I think.  It'd be at least a tad unsettling.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Tracy on November 22, 2015, 09:48 PM
If that turd Ron shots Glenn I'm going to more upset then when I thought he was dead the first time!!
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on November 23, 2015, 12:26 AM
No one was noticing the tower crumbling.

Signs this takes place in an alternate universe:
gasoline doesn't go bad
US Army uses Russian-style RPG's
dumpsters have enough space to crawl under.

Also, the dead come back and eat the living.  :P

Who is gonna perish next week?
My monkey is on Deanna. (BAD MONKEY)
Eugene? In some noble sacrifice?
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt_Fury on November 23, 2015, 01:08 AM
Great episode...although I thought we'd get the reveal that Glenn was still alive in the closing segment of next week's episode, then the first episode of the next half of the season would have been how he survived.

Honestly, I was a little surprised that Enid was back and was the one who helped saved Glenn (she threw some cans down which got the group moving out of the alley), I honestly thought that we were not going to see her for a while based on what she said while on Talking Dead...plus it would have been a great time to introduce Jesus.  Although I'm usually pretty good at figuring out where the show is going, I'm glad I can be surprised as well.

Next week should make everyone who wants to see some zombie killing and eating very happy!
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Tracy on November 23, 2015, 08:15 AM
No one was noticing the tower crumbling.

I got the impression as I was watching that someone was deliberately tearing it apart. Will have to see when I watch it again.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BillCable on November 23, 2015, 08:49 AM
I thought it sounded like the dead were in there, shuffling around.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on November 23, 2015, 09:14 AM
I don't know if the first 5 minutes of a TV show has ever made me so happy.  ;D If loving Glenn is wrong, I don't wanna be right!

Nevermind that we will likely have to go through this again next season, I can be happy for now.

I rarely question Rick, but he needs to stop saying "them" and "we" and just start thinking "us". Embrace the new community bro! (even if Deanna's son is a complete dipstick, sheesh) Guess he doesn't like prayer groups either.

Hard to figure with the shifting timelines, but I am curious/hoping Daryl and Abraham and Sasha show up in time to save the day next week. I don't think there was any mysterious shenanigans with the church toppling, just a lack of structural integrity after that truck rammed it.

LOL at Carol and her motherly advice. Killing is the only way NOT to become a monster? I'm not sure that is the best advice to be giving someone who has already been the victim of childhood abuse. Seems like a good recipe for brewing up a serial killer. Apparently the older brother appears well on his way to sociopathy.

Yeah, that kid bugs the **** out of me. One week you're saving Carl, the next week you're stalking him with a loaded gun? WTF? I'm praying he either gets eaten next week or Carl saves his ass once again showing him what an asinine idea this revenge trip is. (shouldnt he be madder at Rick anyway?) I also hope they are counting bullets so it will come out that he is lifting ammo. Little psycho. DO NOT SHOOT CARL IN THE EYE!!!  >:(

Morgan is starting to piss me off. If you have that much conviction in your beliefs, stop sneaking around behind people's backs doing stupid-ass reckless stuff. Should have just come clean at the table there with Rick and Michonne.

Can't wait for next week!
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on November 23, 2015, 02:40 PM
Knew Glenn was alive. :).  Knew he was under the Dumpster too.  Just glad they finally got to showing it all.

I agree with you McMetal, on the church.  I think it's just a result of the fire and truck hitting it. 

I found the faith discussion then a church toppling your safety wall kind of ironic.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on November 23, 2015, 05:51 PM
God's Will. Alexandria is a modern Gomorrah.

It was safe before, then Rick brought SIN in.   :o

He didn't have FAITH, he hid weapons. He coveted a neighbour's wife. Carol stole chocolate.

He tore down Gabriel's flyers.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on November 23, 2015, 06:13 PM
Yeah he did bring Rosita...  and she's got me thinking a lot of sin.  Time for Alexandria to go!  :P
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: JediJman on November 25, 2015, 01:52 PM
I found the faith discussion then a church toppling your safety wall kind of ironic.

+1 - That was a nice touch.  The group should have been more panicked about the walkers outside the walls.  You get enough bodies pushing and they're bound to find a weak spot.  Or the church will just fall over.  I thought it was weird that Rick just started reinforcing a random spot versus looking around for something like the church. Good that he is preparing beyond just the walls, but should have back-up defenses all over the place (spears, chain link, obstacles, ditches, maybe a few lookouts, an escape plan, etc.  I think there are too many walkers for them to take on their own...this is a great spot for some other group to show and take care of business.

Glad Glenn is alive, not overly impressed with how they did it.  He only had to kill two walkers and hang out under the dumpster overnight?  Seemed easier than it should have.  I was surprised there weren't at least a few straggler zombies around.  I'm glad someone called out that Enid lured them with the cans - I don't recall seeing that in the show. 

Where did the balloons and propane come from?  Did I miss that?  Super convenient for the story, but not something I would have expected to find along the side of the road, complete with three already inflated balloons...?

I hate that Ron kid, but can't believe Rick is willing to teach him how to shoot.  If I shot someone's dad, no matter how good a reason, I can't envision a scenario where I'm putting a gun in his hands.  Like ever.  Speaking of which, might be a better system for guarding the ammo than leaving the door open with someone half-assing it in the next room.

Morgan, Morgan, Morgan.  All life is precious, except that life that seeks to end other lives.  He clearly sees himself in some of these idiots, but break it down to simple math.  If a guy is saying he is going to kill others if you let him live, then you're not protecting life by keeping him alive.  when Rick shared what happened at the RV that should have been a big fat wake-up call. 

Did we ever get an answer on what the bleeding wall thing is?  I didn't watch the last few Talking Deads.

Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jeff on November 25, 2015, 02:15 PM
I thought it was weird that Rick just started reinforcing a random spot versus looking around for something like the church.

I thought they were re-enforcing the spot in the wall where the truck hit when the wolves attacked...

Where did the balloons and propane come from?  Did I miss that?

I believe they had marked the route they were going to herd the zombies away from Alexandria with those.  The balloons were along the road that Sasha/Abe were driving on...
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on November 25, 2015, 06:38 PM
Yeah I thought Rick was reinforcing that bit of wall too.  The blood thing is,IMO, just a bullet hole and zombies pressed against it outside.  So many would likely crush those who are against it.

And yeah that particular pod of balloons was the "rally point" after everything was done and safe.  So it's still there including the helium tank they had.  That was mentioned by Glenn to Enid when they came up with the idea of using the balloons to lure away the walkers.

I actually found the dumpster fairly believable only because it was my first thought that once under all you had to do was "plug the holes" at the bottom by killing walkers.  The smell and their blockage would keep you masked and safe.  And they'd kind of stick there too.  Weird that his feet were ok though. :x

I think someone on TD said only a daybhas passed this season in the show?  I agree tho that going forward I'd want to see if a backhoe is nearby and dig strategic pits outside, reinforce inside, put out traps ala Morgan, I'd find buses too and tires.  Instant wall material.  Use whats worked before.  But realize metal rusts and wood rots.  Plan ahead.

Oh and reinforce interior buildings.  In siege warfare every main structure is a fallback.  Even wall towers are designed to be individual castles it a wall is breached.  So no reason for these homes to look like they're out of the Donna Reed show anymore.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on November 25, 2015, 08:20 PM
Predictions for mid-season "finale"

- Daryl, Sasha and Abraham will not arrive in time and will not be in the episode at all, thus leaving us hanging.

- Jessie is shot and killed by her son Ron, the Carl feud was  red herring.

- Carol will attempt to save Jessie's youngest son, only to fail as he gets bit and she has to put him down.

- Father Gabriel will hide in some building and lock the door behind him...just like he did before.

- Glenn and Enid will arrive in a hastily and improbably constructed hot air balloon, with only enough room to save our core heroes, everyone else dies or is presumed so (leaving it open for Morgan to return again), next year they are back on the road!

- Enid doesn't go with the group because the balloon is too heavy and to save everyone, she jumps out shouting "YOLO!" or "JSS" or something. Then she disappears from view.

- The big shocker is that as they leave they look down  from the balloon and several walkers have formed letters...the words read "You can't escape Rick", without a comma, leading some to wonder if Rick isn't to blame for something. Also, are the walkers controlled by a hive mind?  Or is this all Rick's dream?

Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: JediJman on November 26, 2015, 03:52 PM
- Glenn and Enid will arrive in a hastily and improbably constructed hot air balloon, with only enough room to save our core heroes, everyone else dies or is presumed so (leaving it open for Morgan to return again), next year they are back on the road!

HAHHAAHA!
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on November 29, 2015, 07:07 PM
To quote Mr Montoya in Princess Bride..."there will be blood tonight!"  ;D

Bring it on!
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Tracy on November 29, 2015, 09:10 PM
The ultimate Shakespearean Tragedy?  Glenn makes it back but Maggie dies when the walkers flood into Alexandria
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: GrandMoffNick on November 29, 2015, 11:34 PM
Someone please tell me why as a mid-season finale that didn't suck?

The Carol, Morgan, Wolf, Dr. thing was pure stupidity. Really?

Carl isn't going to say anything about what's his face trying to kill him? Ok.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on November 30, 2015, 12:12 AM
Got nothing for ya. Underwhelming entirely.

Tara nor Rosita were willing to take the shot? Knowing what kind of people the Wolves are? In fact those two and Eugene almost might as well not have been in the episode.

Glenn got to shame Enid and then look over a wall. Wow.

The crib fake out...boooo! (It may have been the only effective bit in the episode actually...even if it was ridiculous that Deanna later summons enough strength to go out fighting.)

"Mom? Mom?"
She's gonna have to stop and break his neck, I guess.

I was wrong, I thought the first half of the season would cover a mere two days, now it's more than half the season.

I even hated the 2 minute preview for the mid-season premiere. Stopping. Getting out of the truck....really? REALLY?
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BrentS on November 30, 2015, 07:19 AM
I'm glad I wasn't the only one extremely underwhelmed. I was mentally preparing myself for someone important, or at least significant, from Rick's group to die.  I didn't even have the energy to wait for the 2 min "prologue". I recorded the next show so at some point I'll go back and watch it.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on November 30, 2015, 09:04 AM
Yeah, same here...very underwhelming. I figured at the least a bunch of the Alexandrians would bite it. What happened to the guy Rosita and Tara dragged off anyway?

I think the Glenn/Nicholas storyline pretty much settled the whole stupidity of redemption question. Carl is just buying himself more trouble covering for that little psycho. LOL at him telling the kid his dead Dad was an a-hole. Someone had to say it.

And yeah, stupidest TV moment of the year goes to Tara and Rosita handing over their guns to that Wolf. WTF were you guys thinking? That was only marginally more stupid than Daryl and Company getting out of the truck in the prologue.

And seriously, NEEGAN?!?! Dude's name should rhyme with former President Reagan! Neegan just sounds silly. Like having a bad guy named Percy or something.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: dave in the basement on November 30, 2015, 09:52 AM
Yeah, that episode was pure foreplay. They didn't necessarily wrap up every single plot point, but I would have liked some sort of closure on at least one item.

I recorded the Talking Dead, but I don't think I'll bother watching that now.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BillCable on November 30, 2015, 10:23 AM
Dumbest move ever - handing over two guns to a dude holding a knife.

Biggest plot fail ever - psycho wolf dude who has declared his intention to kill everyone gets two guns in his hands, and then walks out without killing anybody.

I think the story has gotten too conventional.  Now we expect each character's story to wrap up before they bite it (or, more accurately, get bit).  In the first few seasons, it didn't work that way.  It felt like anybody but Rick could die at any time.  Bad decisions had immediate, fatal consequences.  And you could do everything right and still have a house fall on you.  Now that's gone.

I think the writers like the characters/actors too much now.  I remember when Beth died, one of the showrunners went on about how it sucked to kill anybody off because that meant they didn't get to work together any longer.  I understand the core folks are supposed to be very competent at this point, and wouldn't die as easily.  But now they just live on for no good reason despite idiocy.

Looking forward to mid-season when they come up with some stupid reason why the bikers don't gun down the folks from the truck.  "Now go back and tell your people that Negan's coming for them!"  Or maybe it'll be a kidnap and torture thing.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Qui-Gon Jim on November 30, 2015, 12:23 PM
I echo the thoughts here.  I even said while watching that the Carol-Morgan stuff was stupid.  This was underwhelming.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jeff on November 30, 2015, 12:32 PM
Bad decisions had immediate, fatal consequences. 

Like having a pscho wolf immediately kill Morgan, Carol, and doctor lady?

Agree that was such a bad/dumb sequence the whole way through to giving up the guns to the wolf...  only thing that even had me wondering in the episode was if they would have the balls to kill Maggie just days after getting glenn back to town.  But of course, no, she made it up to the ledge safe.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BillCable on November 30, 2015, 12:36 PM
The whole "it takes 15 extra seconds to walk up one step on a ladder or over a fence" thing has got to stop as well.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on November 30, 2015, 06:44 PM
It's all a fake out and like 6 people die in the February episode.

Abe, Sasha are gunned down and Daryl runs off in the woods, wounded again. Gabriel, Jessie and her kids are ripped apart.
That's all before the opening credits. LOL.

After that, the Wolf and the doctor die, then Carol wakes up and slits Morgan's throat. Then she demands Tara, Rosita and Eugene toss his body to the hungry walkers to cover up her actions.

Zombie Deanna defies her brainless state and leads the herd away to a new zombie community.

Rick remembers his promise to Deanna about looking after her son, only to discover his severed head being used for hacky sack by some walkers.

By the end of the episode Rick and Michonne are doing the nasty.  Not gutting more zombies, the other nasty.

Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on November 30, 2015, 06:55 PM
For the most part I agree, especially the slow ladder climbing BS...  Good god.  If I had zombies on my ass I'd be climbing that fence like I was 15.

The Wolf thing, and the whole "we have to be merciful" thing that gets retreaded can die quickly now and never come up again.  When did this **** start, Dale back at the farm?  And here we are in Alexandria and it's still a topic?  Sheesh.

Also, did nobody ever get a chance to talk to Morgan and explain they were almost eaten?  Or that Carl was almost raped by the comic book guy form the Simpsons?  Yeah, I think the time for rehabbing folks is pretty much over. 

The handing over the guns was dumb...  Should've just had him take the chubby Dr. Katz out the door and sneaking away and the gunfire being a bad idea due to zombie black friday going on outside.

Worst mid-season episode ever.  Kinda shocked they offed Deanna, as I thought she was more important.  More Herschel-esque, but I don't read the comics.  I'm also shocked they didn't tie up a single loose-end.

I did like that Maggie kinda wound up like Glenn.  I thought that was a weird contrast (being stuck up on a platform surrounded).  I am sick of Enid.  I liked Carrrrroooollll dropping the mic on numbnuts.  I hate bowlcut boy tremendously and hope he gets eaten.

Why did he look sick btw?  WTF?

The episode felt half-assed kinda.  May need new blood involved.  Gimple/Herd have declined the quality somewhat IMO.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt_Fury on December 1, 2015, 02:54 AM
Overall I thought it was an ok episode.  Nothing Earth shattering, but not the worst thing ever.

My big take away was that the little bastard is going to get some people killed!
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on December 1, 2015, 03:28 AM
Bowl cut boy is as annoying as Lorie ever was.  He needs to go.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BillCable on December 1, 2015, 09:41 AM
Why did he look sick btw?  WTF?

He's suffering from PTSD.  Given that it's TV, they're making him look sickly. 
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Pete_Fett on December 1, 2015, 11:32 AM
I agree with a lot of you have said - stopping and getting out of the truck was ridiculous. There's something to be said for putting your foot on the gas and mowing them over. Truck vs. men & motorcycles, gee, I can't possibly think of which would "win". The guys with the motorcycles would be too busy getting out of your way to get a good clean shot off.

It's almost like the writers said "well Darryl is going to stop the truck because he'd be worried about one of their gunshots making the gas truck explode". I'm SO sick of the bull**** Hollywood myth that shooting a gas tank causes instant explosion. Every writer that falls for that cliche, needs to be sat down and forced to watch the Myth Busters episode (http://www.discovery.com/tv-shows/mythbusters/mythbusters-database/shooting-gas-tank/) (shame on the Discovery channel for the spelling error of "Expoding" instead of "Exploding") where they proved that shooting a car's gas tank with a gun caused nothing other than the bullet to go in one side and out the other. So yeah, maybe the gun shots would have punctured the tank, but it would have just meant that they were leaking gas, nothing more.

Jessie's older son getting the jump on Carl? Holy cow, how ridiculous - something that happened solely to move the plot along because having this group bunker-down in Jessie's house is "boring".

And Jessie's younger son? He must have a learning disorder or something. What makes that kid think "this would be a great time for me to call to my mom" and where the hell is Jessie's brain not to just squeeze his hand to give him a signal to shut the hell up? Maybe Jessie did think of doing that and realized that her precious little moron wouldn't have gotten the hint.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on December 1, 2015, 05:45 PM
It was out of character them to stop...remember last time we saw them they fought off an ambush that wasn't even intended for them.

Now, they act like fools?

We are at the "characters acting stupid just to serve the plot" stage.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: GrandMoffNick on December 1, 2015, 08:21 PM
Finally went and watched the "getting out of the trucks" clip and am on board with all that has been said as far as stupidity/out of character/etc., BUT when that guy says, "your property now belongs to Negan" I got too excited to care about the beginning!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on December 1, 2015, 09:28 PM
Wouldn't have stopped for sure, nor gotten out, but also wouldn't want to be in a fuel truck shot, and being shot at some more, regardless of Mythbusters. :)

But yeah, no stopping.  No getting out.  None of that.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: evenflow on December 2, 2015, 09:02 PM
Late to the discussion but that mid season finale was awful. No other way to put it. I yearn for the governor. Hopefully Neegan is just as good.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt on January 15, 2016, 12:54 PM
EW.com: Walking Dead creator Robert Kirkman calls Negan 'an atomic bomb that's going to be dropped on the show' (http://www.ew.com/article/2016/01/15/walking-dead-robert-kirkman-negan)

Quote
“As far as shake-ups go, we have lots of shake-ups from season to season,” says Kirkman. “It keeps things interesting — keeps the blood pumping, I like to say — but Negan is kind of an atomic bomb that’s going to be dropped on the show and the show will probably never be the same after that. So buckle up, I guess?”

Negan is the leader of a group we met in the midseason finale’s prologue scene called the Saviors. We saw them stop Daryl, Sasha, and Abraham on the road while informing them “your property now belongs to Negan.” So who is this nefarious outfit and how do they differ from other groups we’ve encountered before?

“I think the Saviors are dangerously organized,” says Kirkman. “The Wolves were psychotic, the Hunters [the group from Terminus] had a lot of weaknesses. When it comes to the Saviors, and Negan in particular, the way I’ve always thought about this in the comics is this is a group that’s led by a guy who’s had his morality dial a few clicks away from Rick toward the darker aspects of his personality, but is still an intellectual and capable leader who’s kept his group alive against all odds just as long as Rick has. It’s really the best encountering the best. When these two forces come head to head, things are gonna get interesting. This is a much different group than they’ve ever encountered. The Saviors are a group they’re not really prepared for.”

Yes, yes. Blow it up. Blow it all up. Make this show interesting again. Kill everybody.

Except Maggie.

(But make her abort the baby.)

#TeamNegan
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jeff on January 15, 2016, 01:07 PM
Kill everybody.

Except Maggie.

(But make her abort the baby.)

Wait, you want her to abort her own baby?  You, sir, are a monster.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt on January 15, 2016, 01:22 PM
But not History's Greatest. :(

Don't really care how it happens (abortion, miscarriage, whatever), just don't want to have watch Maggie go full-term with this thing. Aside from the purely selfish reason of not wanting to see Lauren Cohan made up to look all fat and gross, the show already has a baby. It doesn't need another one.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jeff on January 15, 2016, 02:01 PM
the show already has a baby. It doesn't need another one.

So now we all see your true colors - you hate babies on TV shows.  You're probably glad that no babies got Oscar nominations too... #ageist #babyhater
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Dave on January 15, 2016, 02:22 PM
Don't really care how it happens (abortion, miscarriage, whatever), just don't want to have watch Maggie go full-term with this thing. Aside from the purely selfish reason of not wanting to see Lauren Cohan made up to look all fat and gross, the show already has a baby. It doesn't need another one.

My wife and I joke about Judith.  It seems like they use a new baby actor every show, and she is really more a prop than anything.

I'm not a reader of the comics to know her importance in the comics, but she seems like a complete waste of space in the show.  She is never in jeopardy, she hasn't been important to any of the plot points since they had to go on runs for formula, so why bother?  You would think they would have just killed her off when the prison fell.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: JediJman on January 15, 2016, 02:55 PM
I think they got stuck with what to do with her after deciding to have her survive the prison and now don't have any good ideas for how to get rid of her.  It's tough to spin zombies killing a baby into good TV for the general public, but I agree that she's pretty pointless to keep around.  Maybe there is some bigger design to have her play a role years down the road. 

In the comic, Judith and Lori get shot/killed in the prison battle with the governor and they don't really have any pregnancies to worry about after that. 
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BillCable on January 15, 2016, 03:41 PM
Judith might be a much more effective tool to paint Negan as a monster than just about anything else.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on January 18, 2016, 08:21 AM
Judith might be a much more effective tool to paint Negan as a monster than just about anything else.

Better her than Glenn!
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: GrandMoffNick on January 18, 2016, 11:35 AM
Judith might be a much more effective tool to paint Negan as a monster than just about anything else.

I might have agreed with that except would everyone's apathy toward Judith make us not feel as strongly toward Negan being a monster if he killed her? I feel it wouldn't work.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: JediJman on January 18, 2016, 11:47 AM
Judith might be a much more effective tool to paint Negan as a monster than just about anything else.

I might have agreed with that except would everyone's apathy toward Judith make us not feel as strongly toward Negan being a monster if he killed her? I feel it wouldn't work.

I think they would have to take Negan very differently if he killed Judith, but I like the idea.  I think Rick could eventually reconcile in some way with other character deaths, but would be pretty impossible to let the guy that killed your baby daughter go on living. 
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Tracy on January 26, 2016, 02:34 PM
Judith might be a much more effective tool to paint Negan as a monster than just about anything else.

I might have agreed with that except would everyone's apathy toward Judith make us not feel as strongly toward Negan being a monster if he killed her? I feel it wouldn't work.

I think they would have to take Negan very differently if he killed Judith, but I like the idea.  I think Rick could eventually reconcile in some way with other character deaths, but would be pretty impossible to let the guy that killed your baby daughter go on living.

I agree. No matter how apathetic you feel about Judith as a character - most people/viewers wouldn't take the killing of a baby very well at all.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on January 26, 2016, 05:49 PM
It's gotta happen at some point though...  I mean, how is Judith surviving something almost everyone else isn't ya know?  I just can't see them keeping Judith on forever.  She has to go at some point.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Pete_Fett on January 27, 2016, 11:30 AM
Well, if you think about it, Neagan killing Judith would work better for the show. In the comics, Rick is keeping Neagan in a cell. There's no way they are going to keep paying Jeffery Dean Morgan just to have him sitting in a cell. Neagan killing Judith means that Rick would be seen as justified in killing Neagan.

I know there are a lot of fans that would love to see Glenn survive past the Alexandrians encountering Neagan, but I could also see them going even further with Neagan and having him kill both Glenn AND Judith instead of a swap of one for the other.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on February 15, 2016, 12:35 PM
Welcome back, and thanks for one of the best episodes ever!

Great action, great drama, tying up loose ends with no hokey stretches of credulity.

I was Tom-Cruise-jumping-on-the-couch after the first 5 minutes, and again when Abraham and Sasha showed up right when I was completely expecting Glenn to get eaten alive. That was some kick ass TV.

They did a great job this episode in particular I thought of creating a real sense of danger for just about everyone.

Loved Carol capping the Wolf. Loved Father Gabriel finally sacking up.

Will really miss Alexandra Breckinridge. Was so hoping it would just be the whiny brats. Great scene right out of the comics with Rick hacking off the arm still clutching to Carl. Not to mention the lost eye...whoa.

RPG was the definite highlight though...just obliterated those bastards. Nibble on that!  :D
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on February 15, 2016, 09:16 PM
Yeah I really liked the episode overall...  Even the fakey rocket blast and stuff, but overall I really enjoyed that whole episode start to finish.  It was fast paced, you felt everyone was in pretty solid danger all the time, even Rick, and you felt like some of the comic stuff coming true just was nice...  Very very fun.

The opening 5 minutes alone, just fun.  Maybe one of the most fun sequences of the whole series.

I find Carol's responsibility for so many deaths, especially of younger people, to be interesting considering how many people love her.  She's basically done one good thing (saving everyone at Terminus).  Outside of that, since S2, she's a broken person who does what she wants.  She's Shane if Shane hadn't died, oddly enough.  Funny how he came to her rescue in S1 and now she's the one who says F it to cooperation.  She's manipulative too in many ways.  She maybe is even more easy to compare to The Governor in that way.  And she's often simply wrong.

But so many people are and that's what is interesting...  Like Morgan.  Morgan has ideals, like Dale, and ideals don't work and cause more trouble than they solve a lot of the time.  Morgan against the Claimers?  I dunno how that turns out then.

Morgan when the Termites are trapped?  He lets em go, and then what?  Someone else is BBQ?

It was nice to see Father Gabriel not be as worthless as a turd.  Eugene is Eugene...  I thought he was maybe on the way out the most.  Even the Glenn thing, they had me on basically every character everywhere being open to their demise.  They don't always do that so well.  Like last year I knew Glenn wasn't dead.  I knew it. 

Anyway, good stuff all around.  And Alexandria may be a much stronger place, though so many are dead.

And man, thank god those 3 are gone...  well, not her, but the other two...  I couldn't take them.  And if you watched Talking Dead, that kid was as obnoxious in real life.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on February 16, 2016, 12:51 AM
So someone's spotted a mysterious car in the background, just before the baddies do the nibbling...  Definitely a car comes into picture waaaayyyy in the background.  :-X

Is it a mistake, or was it a really subtle way to say Negan was watching?
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: evenflow on February 16, 2016, 01:09 PM
the show already has a baby. It doesn't need another one.

Judith is dead weight, i just hope each week she gets eaten.

As for the episode, I think it is probably the best of the series yet. Sadly that means the next 2-3 episodes will be awful.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on February 16, 2016, 06:31 PM
Hah, I won't go that harsh...  She's the "hope" element so I don't HOPE for Judith to become food, but at the same time, it's kinda comical she hasn't become it yet.  I mean, bowlcut can't stay quiet yet Judith is repeatedly passed around under everyone's meat poncho and stays silent?  Really?
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on February 16, 2016, 06:32 PM
BTW... more meat ponchos.  Why are you NOT doing this trick more often? 
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on February 17, 2016, 10:58 PM
Meat Poncho Villa is an upcoming character, he sues Rick for stealing his idea.

Enid can materialize guns out of thin air.

Is she a genie? Or is it the power of the lord working through her? Because Glen cannot be right about everything, especially something as specific as finding a gun hidden in a church. Unless, Glen is a chosen one. How else could he survive the dumpster?

Rick's exceptional, he's gotten 90% of the town's populace killed within a 3 day period. Anyone else would've gotten Jesse and her kids to another safe building, but he stuck to guns (with another absurd "plan") and pushed them out there  to be a long pork buffet for the walkers.

Sam was Lot's Wife. He stopped, looked back. DOOMED. Pillar of salt..ed...pork. It's disturbing how many fans were rooting for his death. Yeah, he was irritating and never had a chance. But, what kid of kid would? Sophia, Lizzie, her sister...the disappearing other kids from the prison. No kids, no future. Might as well call the human race OVER.

Carl needs better hero armor, like Glen and Rick have.

Why am I posting here again?
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: JediJman on February 19, 2016, 03:20 PM
Finally took time to watch the mid season premiere and it was as awesome ad advertised.  Lots of suspense throughout and a ton of close calls all around.  I thought for sure that Neegan's goons were gonna kill one of the three and I'd forgotten all about the rocket launcher.  Cool stuff.  I wish the Alpha Wolf had talked a little more about his group and their plans before getting offed.  I wonder if we'll see more of those guys or if we're full on switching over to Neegan now.

I was bummed to see Jesse go, but equally glad they kept that storyline from the comics.  At least the two idiot sons are gone now.  It would have pretty hard to keep the mom around after she lost her kids anyway.  Did I miss something with bowl cut?  I thought he was calling for mom as soon as they left the first house in the previous season, then he's walking around with them for an eternity before he starts getting chatty again.   ???  I agree that was an ill conceived plan from the start.  Seemed like they were walking through town for hours - I know they're walking slow, but I'd like to think the vehicles or wherever they were trying to go wasn't several miles away.

Nice to see Pirate Carl finally arrive.  They skipped Rick losing his hand, so they had to keep the Carl wound around to keep the Grimes family mortal.  Nice tie in to the Doctor gaining some confidence and a good catalyst for them to mass attack the zombies.  It's gonna suck for that actor to have to wear a patch forever now, but "I'm glad they kept that" moment for me.

The only part of the episode I really didn't like was the lake of fire crap.  So many things wrong with that whole bit.  In the apocalypse, it might not be a great idea to waste truckloads of fuel since that's a little scarce.  Know what's even more scarce?  Rocket Propelled Grenades!  They couldn't light the lake on fire with a match?  And since when do zombies love fire more than brains?  I could see the sound and light distracting them momentarily - enough to save the group - but zombies just walk into fires?  Hell, why not just make a big bonfire outside the walls to bring zombies in and torch them like a bug light?  I would have been much happier with Daryl's team just riding in to the rescue with their machine guns the way they saved Glenn.  Speaking of Glenn, does that guy have nine lives or what?

Loved everything else about the episode.  Lots of good deaths without losing any of the core characters.  Hope the aftermath isn't multiple snoozer episodes.

Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jeff on February 19, 2016, 03:36 PM
And since when do zombies love fire more than brains?  I could see the sound and light distracting them momentarily - enough to save the group - but zombies just walk into fires?

This is part of what I was talking about at our mtg last night.  I really don't understand the zombie rules on this show anymore.  The zombies will either hear the tiniest noise and come, or you can whisper right next to them and they don't notice as long as you are wearing a dead meat poncho.

And the fire stuff?  I know they are attracted to light and heat, but is that enough to distract them when they are 5 feet from food?  I didn't get that part at all...  food, food, oh wait, I'll just walking into this fire now.   ???
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on February 19, 2016, 04:48 PM
If Daryl and pals had known more about the Wolves, they could left W's on the heads of the dead Negan bikers and wrote "Wolves Not Far".

Zombies don't make sense. They don't have working digestive systems, they keep going without food, water, blood pressure, oxygen. They are rotting away but can bite through denim. They have no reason to be stealthy but sometimes are. They can smell the living...over their own stench? They can and cannot see well.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: JediJman on February 19, 2016, 06:16 PM
I'm giving them a pass on the fire lake because of the awesome RPG Biker 'Splosion.  Just this once.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt_Fury on February 20, 2016, 12:28 AM
This is part of what I was talking about at our mtg last night.  I really don't understand the zombie rules on this show anymore.  The zombies will either hear the tiniest noise and come, or you can whisper right next to them and they don't notice as long as you are wearing a dead meat poncho.

And the fire stuff?  I know they are attracted to light and heat, but is that enough to distract them when they are 5 feet from food?  I didn't get that part at all...  food, food, oh wait, I'll just walking into this fire now.   ???

You have meetings to discuss the plot of this show?  Wow!  I thought I was a fan...but I'm no where near this level!  ;D

As far as the fire and what zombies are attracted to...it's pretty established that they are attracted to loud sounds...at least louder than their normal moans and groans.  That's why if you are hiding your scent with a meat poncho, you can whisper to anyone else in your group and the dead don't notice.  (BTW, this is very prevalent in the recent storyline in the comics.)

Also, the average walker's eyesight is not the best...that's another reason the meat poncho works...otherwise you would have to be like William F. Murray and in full make-up like in zombieland.  As with the loud noises, a bright light like the fire would attract zombies and change the direction of a herd even.  Think of how in Land of the Dead, the scavengers would use fireworks to distract zombies.

I'll have to look at the episode again, but I don't think any of the zombies that Rick and Company were fighting just turned and went towards the fire...but the ones that were just shambling around inside the walls were attracted to the fire.

Overall, I thought the episode was awesome!  From what they talked about on the Talking Dead, the season is only going to ramp up from here.  That's going to be insane!
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BillCable on February 20, 2016, 09:18 AM
Zombies don't make sense. They don't have working digestive systems, they keep going without food, water, blood pressure, oxygen. They are rotting away but can bite through denim. They have no reason to be stealthy but sometimes are. They can smell the living...over their own stench? They can and cannot see well.

Here's a great article by Cracked on why zombies would be awful:
http://www.cracked.com/article_18683_7-scientific-reasons-zombie-outbreak-would-fail-quickly.html

I think you just gotta embrace that they make no sense.  They exist to tell a story.  They act however they're supposed to act to scare you.  There are a few rough guidelines, but outside that, the writers have a lot of freedom.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Dave on February 20, 2016, 06:41 PM
This is part of what I was talking about at our mtg last night.  I really don't understand the zombie rules on this show anymore.  The zombies will either hear the tiniest noise and come, or you can whisper right next to them and they don't notice as long as you are wearing a dead meat poncho.

And the fire stuff?  I know they are attracted to light and heat, but is that enough to distract them when they are 5 feet from food?  I didn't get that part at all...  food, food, oh wait, I'll just walking into this fire now.   ???

You have meetings to discuss the plot of this show?  Wow!  I thought I was a fan...but I'm no where near this level!  ;D 

It was just the monthly Minnesota JD meet up.  Along with Star Wars, we discussed zombies, magicians, mechanical bulls, and other pertinent topics.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on February 21, 2016, 10:11 PM
#Richonne

They found Jesus at last!  ;D
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Chris M on February 21, 2016, 10:23 PM
Damn good episode!!!

Did anyone get a little Pulp Fiction vibe?  The scene where Rick and Daryl popped the walker while standing over Jesus certainly made me think that.

Didn't really see the end coming but I guess it makes sense seeing how the episode began.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: GrandMoffNick on February 22, 2016, 12:57 AM
I had a smile on my face every second Jesus was on screen. So glad he's finally in the show.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BillCable on February 22, 2016, 08:02 AM
When you find the mother lode of supplies in a box truck, what you do is drive directly back home via the safest known route - i.e. - the way you just came from since you didn't see any trouble.  You don't continue exploring.  That aggravated me to no end.

Otherwise, pretty strong episode.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Tracy on February 22, 2016, 09:42 AM
 I only care about #Richonne in so far as I'm afraid that they just signed Michonne's Death Warrant.  It seemed a foregone conclusion - they've pretty much been living as a family unit since they left Terminus.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on February 22, 2016, 09:46 AM
When you find the mother lode of supplies in a box truck, what you do is drive directly back home via the safest known route - i.e. - the way you just came from since you didn't see any trouble.  You don't continue exploring.  That aggravated me to no end.

Otherwise, pretty strong episode.

I kept thinking the EXACT same thing. They were just asking for trouble.

I don't think they can kill Michonne unless/until the show and/or comic come to an end. Can't kill Rick, Carl or Daryl either. Anyone else I think is probably fair game.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: evenflow on February 22, 2016, 04:51 PM
To my surprise, last night was enjoyable. Very much like the Jesus character so far.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on February 22, 2016, 05:45 PM
Agree with you Bill.  Likewise that truck wouldn't roll unless keys were in the on position...  It seems dumb for Rick to leave them in the ignition but given not driving right home I can't say he wouldn't have left them in it.

Otherwise overall fun.  My mother is obsessed with the show and Richonne surprised her.  I thought I read somewhere she gets around in the comic sort of?  I don't read it so I'm not sure where I heard that info.  It's near she hooked up with Rick though.  He needed to get laid.  It'd be frustrating knowing only Glenn and the Abraham pretty much were.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on February 22, 2016, 07:41 PM
I read up to the end of the prison, the comic has more sex than the show. IIRC Michonne gets on with Tyreese. Obviously that's not gonna happen.

That damned candy machine that was the problem. Doc and her soda request. "WHAT THE HELL IS POP?" According to the map here (http://popvssoda.com/),  Georgian Daryl is more likely to use coke as a generic term. Alexandria would be in a mostly soda zone.

This should've been the midseaon premiere, but they had one too many episode for the first half (blame the Morgan flashback one for that?).
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on February 23, 2016, 07:45 PM
From what I've heard from friends who've stayed with the whole thing, the comic in general is more graphic (no pun) overall...  More sex, more graphically violent (Maggie's encounter with the Governor), generally more brutal...  I wanted to get into it, but man, it'd cost quite a bit to get into it, haha.  I got the first volume for a fairly cheap price and loved it, but I have a tough time dumping $ into comics I guess.  :-\
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Chris M on February 24, 2016, 06:37 AM
Jesse, I read the comics up to the abandonment of the prison.  I am of the same thoughts as you regarding spending on comics.  Luckily, I found the 1st volume of the Compendium and read that for around $30 and then turned around and resold it.  Eventually I'll get the other two volumes and do the same thing.

I can't justify spending on one issue after another.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Muftak on February 24, 2016, 08:45 AM
You could always check your local library for the big compendiums or the TPBs. I read way up into the 100's of issues without ever buying a thing. probably behind by a couple dozen issues by now...it might be time for me to check those out again as well.

Many modern libraries have extensive "graphic novel" sections in the adult fiction section. Its all comics to me!
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: JediJman on February 25, 2016, 06:23 PM
I had a smile on my face every second Jesus was on screen. So glad he's finally in the show.

+1 +2 +3

Finally caught last night's episode and so happy to see Paul Jesus finally join the cast.  Isn't it supposed to be "Paul Monroe" though?  Why Paul Rovia? Oh well.  The guy they found to play him seems great so far and totally captures his personality from the comics, from the kick butt fighting ability to him playing/testing the others.  I don't know how he unties himself, catches up to the truck on foot, and somehow jumps on top of it, but that and him showing up untied again at the end was awesome.  I wish Rick and Daryl were a little more shocked about it all - I would have been questioning it the whole way back instead of arguing about whether or not they should be bringing in new people (I get this was a plot device, with Jesus pretending to be out cold while he listened in).  I remember wondering in the comic if this was really supposed to be "The Jesus" at first given some of the awesome things he can do, but he's no more "super" than Morgan. 

These last two are a couple of my favorites episodes across the whole series - I hope they can keep up the pace.  Great side story with Carl/Deanna as well - I love character building stuff like that mixed in.

My only question was how in the heck they developed/printed a picture with Pirate Carl and Judith for the picture frame and how/why are they using a baby monitor for Judith?  With a fairly finite supply of batteries left in the world, wouldn't you maybe save those for radios or flashlights or something?  And yeah, couldn't believe they didn't take the truck straight back home, especially after having to retake it a second time.  Dumb dumb dumb.

For those that don't read the comic, they just passed issue #150, so there is a lot of material there.  I picked up the graphic novels for the first 100ish issues.  You can often find them at a library or half price books for pretty cheap.  I think I got each GN for $6-10, so much cheaper than what I would have spent on individual issues (like I do now  ::)).  I just got so I couldn't wait that long for another piece of the story and it's still just $3 an issue.  You also get some interesting commentary from Kirkman at the end of each issue, and he address topics from both the comic and the tv show, which is often fun to read.

Anyway, Andrea is still alive in the comics, and she's been Rick's love interest for a long time now.  Since she's dead in the show (and to create added interracial hype) it makes sense to make it Rick and Michonne, but I don't think that spells her death.  Michonne gives Tyreese a BJ in the comic, but he doesn't last long after that.  He gets decapitated by the Governor before they leave the prison (basically the same scene with Hershel in the show).  She eventually hooks up with a character we haven't met yet named Ezekiel, but I wouldn't say she gets around based on just those two interactions.  The comic was a bit more graphic with that kind of stuff in earlier issues, but not so much the last few years.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on February 25, 2016, 06:59 PM
On the print-out, they have solar power in Alexandria, so I can believe they made a printer work since they have light and stuff.

Quote
Michonne gives Tyreese a BJ in the comic, but he doesn't last long after that.

Hey, who would?  Oh you meant he died?

Unfortunately my library's not that well stocked.  Then again it's just the local podunk town library too, not the Carnegie down in the city, but I have seen some of the issues at half-price books now and then.  They seem to want a lot more on those than others, for obvious reasons.  They seemed on par with what you can get stuff online if you look around, more or less.

I used to get some sweet deals on West End Games sourcebooks at HPBs here, and miss those...  They don't seem to get those in much now.  They're not overly valuable books, but getting them there was always cheaper than Ebay where people want the outside cent on that stuff anymore, and it just doesn't sell well.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: JediJman on February 26, 2016, 02:16 PM
Ha!  Yeah he doesn't last long on both accounts.   ;)

You can buy the first 20 GNs for a little over $10 each through this guy (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Walking-Dead-Robert-Kirkman-Graphic-Novel-Series-Collection-Set-1-20-NEW-/171344826792?hash=item27e4f291a8:g:y20AAOxyhS9TiANp)...
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on February 28, 2016, 11:31 PM
In something that surprises few, Xander Berkeley plays a  character who is a jerk. Rick is foolishly enough to save him.

End with another Rick plan that will be disastrous. I'd sooner find a winch truck and go fishing for the cargo truck.



Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: GrandMoffNick on February 29, 2016, 01:01 AM
Maggie or Glenn?

Can it be Lucille on TV?
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on February 29, 2016, 01:28 AM
The irony of Rick getting the RV stuck, and Michonne right there looking at him, was not lost on me.  Funny little callback.

I thought this was an ok episode...  Not the best, not the worst. 

I do find the whole, "Let's just kill 'em!" thing kind of silly/stupid but I get why they're doing it.  Since I don't know the comics much I'm guessing this was something done in the comics too?  The offer to handle the threat for them?

Like Hilltop's leader...  He seems like a real DB who will not survive being a DB forever.  New Porchdick of sorts.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: GrandMoffNick on February 29, 2016, 06:18 AM
Yes, handling The Saviors for Hilltop is done in the comic as well.

Definitely only an ok episode, but needed to set up the story going forward here
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Diddly on February 29, 2016, 09:26 AM
It was a "slow" episode but it set up a lot of storylines and introduced new characters and didn't feel slow at all, really... I enjoyed it.

The group's overconfidence in thinking they can take Negan out is going to come back and bite them in the rear.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Chris M on February 29, 2016, 09:46 AM
I enjoyed this episode, despite the "slower" pace than the previous episodes.  You knew a story episode was needed to set up what is coming.  And I thought Rick had a couple of really good one liners.

On top of that, it beat the hell out of watching the Oscars.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on February 29, 2016, 12:08 PM
It's been a long time since Rick's group made a disastrously bad decision, so I guess they were due. Nice foreshadowing to have Maggie note that there will be a "price." Maybe she, Glenn and the baby can stay home and skip the Negan compound assault impending bloodbath? Please, Kirkman?

I didn't care for this episode, it just feels like they are rushing way too fast now. The attack on Negan's compound should be the season finale. (Especially seeing as how they showrunners have said repeatedly that Negan will not be introduced until the finale)

Just like with the Alexandrites you have to wonder how those idiot Hilltoppers have lasted this long. No fighters? No ammunition? Shady ******bag guy in charge? Seems like one herd wandering through would have ended the whole thing.

When Jesus said "your world is about to get a lot bigger" I guess he really meant to say "we've only met 1 other group the entire time since this outbreak started."  ::) Seems like he is the one living in the micro-universe. Rick's bunch has already met the Claimers, the Termites, the Wolves, the Woodberries, the Alexandrites, etc.

I would think he would have at least mentioned the dude with the tiger? (you can't thrown down with Negan without the Kingdom, right?)

WTF is going on with Abraham?
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: GrandMoffNick on February 29, 2016, 12:29 PM

I would think he would have at least mentioned the dude with the tiger? (you can't thrown down with Negan without the Kingdom, right?)


I'm guessing we'll get Ezekiel, but thinking the tiger only works in the comics.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Diddly on February 29, 2016, 12:55 PM
Just like with the Alexandrites you have to wonder how those idiot Hilltoppers have lasted this long. No fighters? No ammunition? Shady ******bag guy in charge? Seems like one herd wandering through would have ended the whole thing.

Could be Negan took all of their weapons and left them with those crappy spears? I mean, at least get a bow and arrow if that's not the case.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BillCable on February 29, 2016, 01:20 PM
Just like with the Alexandrites you have to wonder how those idiot Hilltoppers have lasted this long. No fighters? No ammunition? Shady ******bag guy in charge? Seems like one herd wandering through would have ended the whole thing.

A round fence like they have would deflect a herd without incurring any damage.  Just gotta hole up and keep quiet.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on February 29, 2016, 06:17 PM

A round fence like they have would deflect a herd without incurring any damage.  Just gotta hole up and keep quiet.

Maybe they could still smell them? LOL

The fence, I dunno, doesn't seem that much sturdier than Alexandria and that thing started to give away pretty quickly when they were massing up. You're not gonna clear many of those guys away with spears either. I think more than anything they've probably just been lucky, maybe even benefited from the same logjam at the quarry.

Can't help but wonder how those dudes managed to wreck all alone on the road in broad daylight too.

Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on February 29, 2016, 07:06 PM
Walkers are lazy and won't walk uphill.

It's been a long time since Rick's group made a disastrously bad decision, so I guess they were due.

The group, yeah. Rick made a disastrous decision 2 episodes ago when he didn't get whats-her-name, Sam and Ron to a safe location ASAP...instead continuing to walk amid a heard as night fell. The quarry solution was a mess, excused only by Hand of God that made a semi fall off the cliff during the dry run. Rick's reaction to the abusive doctor was nutso. Rick going hand to hand with the herd was also Hand of God that had Daryl and friends show up to save the day.

Business as a usual for Rick, at least since getting to Alexandria.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Diddly on February 29, 2016, 09:59 PM
Can't help but wonder how those dudes managed to wreck all alone on the road in broad daylight too.

Lori was driving  ;D
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: JediJman on March 1, 2016, 02:14 AM
Pretty good setup episode.  Couple of thoughts:

 - The Hilltop people have/had guns, they just ran out of ammo.  Pretty pointless to wave guns around if nothing's going to come out of them. 

- Jesus says their world is getting bigger because the Alexandrians don't have any regular communication or trade outside of their group.  The Hilltop knows at least one other peaceful settlement plus the Saviors, so that's a much larger world for Rick & company

- I don't know what the hell is going on with Abraham.  It seemed like he maybe has the hots for Sasha now instead of Rosita?  I am dreading what's coming for some of my favorite characters at this stage of the comic storyline.

- Gregory was/is a total prick.  Good casting right there.  Not sure how that guy is still in power though.

- I think Jesus planned this whole thing.  He doesn't like bending over for Neegan and ho knows Rick's group can fight.  He just let them think taking out Neegan was their own idea.

 - Why didn't anyone ask Jesus's people what happened to them?  Did I miss that?  Seemed like some of them didn't make it, but did Neegan attack them or what? 

 - Will Rick decide to take the supplies back to Alexandria before going after Neegan? 
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on March 1, 2016, 02:40 AM
Hah @ the last question.

Probably not...  savin' gas. :P  They'll just RV it on over and kill Negan, then go back with the grub.

I wonder, since ammo is pretty low in general, when will they realize that finding stuff to make their own could be a massive advantage...  There has to be some rednecks around they can get into the fold who know how to do it.  Hell, it's the south, every other house probably has the tools necessary!   :-X
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: GrandMoffNick on March 1, 2016, 06:40 AM

I wonder, since ammo is pretty low in general, when will they realize that finding stuff to make their own could be a massive advantage...  There has to be some rednecks around they can get into the fold who know how to do it.  Hell, it's the south, every other house probably has the tools necessary!   :-X

Eugene will serve a purpose soonish...................
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on March 1, 2016, 01:30 PM
Well, from the previews, we know the RV goes back to Alexandria first so Rick can inform the town of his latest plan to get them all murdered.  ;)
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on March 6, 2016, 11:49 PM
Rick's plan...no one dead on his side yet...except he let Maggie come along. Because having a pregnant woman along and her husband won't affect anything.

Telegraphing death...Glenn....Carol?

Alanna Masteron's (Tara) pregnancy was not that well hidden here.

Rosita can hook up with Eugene now, move from one social retard to the next. Abraham seems to get weirder every time he speaks.

Jesus killed someone? Vengeance is mine alone sayeth...

Woah, Negan's a woman? (Says every troll at IMDB...like people aren't aware of casting)

All those satellite dishes, is Negan in contact with the aliens who started the zombie apocalypse?  :P
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BillCable on March 7, 2016, 01:01 PM
So if you're stabbed through the eye while sleeping, you don't make a peep?  I'd think there'd be screaming.

And also, unless you get the blade perfectly through one of the gaps in the back of the orbital, the knife isn't going to slide in all smooth-like.

Still, a decent, tense episode.  I'm guessing this building is just one of Negan's satellite offices...
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Diddly on March 7, 2016, 08:34 PM
Yeah I was confused on that at first. I thought they were attacking Negan's main stronghold, which was depicted much different in the comics.

They are setting up for several deaths with all of this love going on...
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Qui-Gon Jim on March 8, 2016, 07:48 AM
I thought for sure that Rosita was (sadly) going to get whacked this week.  When a character that hasn't had too many lines is featured like she was this week, that character's actor usually ends up visiting Hardwick later in the night.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Chris M on March 8, 2016, 08:34 AM
I thought this was another great episode.

I can't figure out what is going on with Abraham, except I want to see him kick somebody's ass.  I've always loved Michael Cudlitz as an actor, especially in Southland and Band of Brothers.  Hopefully we'll see that before he meets his demise.

Tactically, they did everything right.  You have to leave security back at your vehicles for your return trip, otherwise it could be an ambush in waiting.  However, the personnel choices left something to be desired and this certainly sets up Glenn for a head bashing.  (Yes, I am well aware in the comics he gets offed).  I love his character so I don't want to see him go.

Bill, I'd guess if you penetrate the brain quickly, there won't be any sound or screaming.  Is it possible to get a clean knife through the eye kill?  Yes...very likely without noise, I doubt it.  But then again, headshots through the eye drop a person on the spot.  There are many, many factors that would go into that.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on March 9, 2016, 12:01 AM
I was hoping they'd smother them to death with pillows while saying "shhh-shhh-shhh" in typical hollywood fashion.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: JediJman on March 9, 2016, 12:58 AM
Great episode.  That raid on the compound was awesome.  I'm a little surprised at how well it went actually - I figured Heath or someone would bite it at some point.  When he and Glenn were randomly firing through the armory door I thought for sure they would get a friendly kill as well, but no dice.  This is definitely just one of the Savior's outposts - why risk telling anyone where the main compound is?  And all of these guys looked like fighters.  I really don't get why Maggie went.   She's pregnant AND the diplomat AND a potential liability if something goes on between her and Glenn.  Also not sure why they weren't hanging closer with Jesus and the other reserves.  I'm pretty sure those pictures Glenn found were Lucile's handiwork.  Hoping they take out a different cast member instead.

I thought I read somewhere that we won't see Neegan until the last episode of the season, so more fighting with the flunkies until then...

(http://www.thewalkingdead.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/neganfeat.png)
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on March 9, 2016, 02:39 PM
They should've wondered why Negans people need all this food and would increase their demands.  Wisdom would say you don't destroy your food supply, so clearly they need to feed a lot of people.  This is all a bad idea and I give Hardwick credit for sorta saying "this seems like a dumb move".  He's rarely critical but was on this one.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Pete_Fett on March 9, 2016, 06:57 PM
They should've wondered why Negans people need all this food and would increase their demands.  Wisdom would say you don't destroy your food supply, so clearly they need to feed a lot of people.  This is all a bad idea and I give Hardwick credit for sorta saying "this seems like a dumb move".  He's rarely critical but was on this one.

It's definitely a bad idea, but it does establish one major difference that will help the show chart a different course from the comics.

One of the first thing that happens after we're introduced to Lucille and its first use, is that Maggie basically slugs Rick and blames him for the death.

In the show however, it was Maggie that negotiated with Gregory & the Hilltop community what the Alexandria crew will do in order to get food and supplies, so if they keep with killing the same character that they did in the comics, Maggie will only have herself to blame, not Rick - especially since Rick's plan was going great until she got her ass caught.

So yeah - definitely lots of dumb moves on our main crew's part in this episode...

I'm pretty sure those pictures Glenn found were Lucile's handiwork.

They most definitely were. My thinking is that this does have the potential to be a sign that a different character or perhaps none of them at all will be having a one-on-one date with Lucille. Fingers crossed...
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on March 9, 2016, 11:04 PM
Plus sets up blaming Carol, yet again, for stuff...  She's kinda to blame for a LOT.  And she knows it.  Now her dicking around trying to save another (albeit unborn) kid, has backfired. 
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on March 13, 2016, 10:40 PM
Well, The Same Boat didn't go how I'd figured, thought maybe these last 4-5 episodes would be an arc. Just as well, I cannot stand the idea of either Carol or Maggie being hostage for that long.

"You're not the good guys." says the woman who lost most of a finger for stealing gas.

Alicia Witt as a crazy red-head stereotype. Between her and Abraham...watch out for the gingers after the apocalypse.

"Meet us on the Kill floor" a little pat, wasn't it. Shades of Terminus.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Chris M on March 14, 2016, 06:38 AM
Another really good episode.  I thought after Maggie and Carol were hauled off we'd end up seeing a lot of back and forth and negotiation and whatnot while the story leading up to Neegan was built.

Obviously that is taking place, but last night added a bit to Carol's story.  With her trying to tell the red head to go, it makes me wonder if Carol's days are numbered now.  She seems as if she's growing soft after talking to Morgan about killing.  Maybe it's just what we are meant to see, or maybe she wants out of the killing.  Either way, again I wonder if she's on the way out.

I will say to this point, this half of the season has been awesome and in my opinion, probably the best back to back string of episodes in the entire series so far.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BillCable on March 14, 2016, 08:00 AM
Carol is taking stock, and not liking the balance.  So yeah, that might point to her end.

I thought it was a great episode.  Very tense.

Kinda odd with the cult-of-Negan.  Still trying not to spoil the show with the comic, so I don't know if that plays out the same.

And funny how a whole group of people will pile into a room that must reek of gasoline without so much as a second thought.   ;D
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on March 14, 2016, 10:34 AM
They've gone nose-blind thanks to smelling rotting walking corpses all the time. Yeah, that's it.  ;)
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on March 14, 2016, 02:08 PM
They have been killing it (pun intended) all season I think, and especially the past couple of weeks. I almost didn't want to watch last night fearing how the whole thing might play out with Maggie and Carol but I thought they handled it brilliantly.

I kept thinking Carol was just playing them so hard all episode that it was inevitable she would snap into Carol-mode at some point and jam that crucifix into one of those chick's eyes, but I guess she is in a different place now. Maggie sure as hell picked up the slack though, she was straight up regulating.

Was that Agent 33 from Agents of SHIELD as the fingerless Savior? Sure looked like her.

Between last night, the raid last week and the RPG encounter on the road they must have killed at least 20-30 of these schmoes by now. How freaking many are there? Because they've only got about that many left in Alexandria now. Call in the reinforcements!

I figured that was Daryl's bike those 2 idiots had stolen, guess it was. Wonder if those 2 are long dead or will come back around somehow?

Seems pretty certain we can expect a significant death at the end of this season. I just hope they break with the comic and go in a different direction, I kinda feel like they are setting up for that in some ways.

Thinking Tara and Heath better keep their heads on a swivel too.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BillCable on March 14, 2016, 02:34 PM
Was that Agent 33 from Agents of SHIELD as the fingerless Savior? Sure looked like her.

That was not Maya Stojan.  According to Wikipedia, the role was played by Jeananne Goossen (though not credited on IMDB).
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on March 14, 2016, 03:40 PM
I counted at least 18 in the satellite place, not sure how many done got blowed up by Darryl, and last night was 7 (3 women, 4 men).

They sure sent ****** reinforcements...  2 guys?  Wow the cavalry is here.

It's really gotta hit Rick at this point that they can't possibly be sure they got everyone.  Maggie/Carol should confirm that with Rick despite that last dude's claim.  It'd be dumb to believe otherwise, but then again the attack was kind of ill-conceived anyway.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on March 14, 2016, 06:16 PM
The reinforcements were just a scouting group that happened to be close, weren't they?

Rick and amigos should have enough guns now to arm Hilltop, if they trust Hilltop.

Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on March 15, 2016, 12:07 AM
What was left at the satellite place was kind of absurd.  It was like all they had was mitary grade stuff and a spear, haha.  No hunting rifles?  Lever action?  I don't think I've seen a .22 or a small gauge shotgun yet since this began yet you'd think these would be everywhere.  Hell, I know I have 3 .22's here.  Nobody has one anywhere on this show though.  Not as cool I guess. :(

Why was that group from last night out by themselves?  And then two more guys out and about?  Negans group seems better thought out than all this.

Fortunately for Ricks crew everyone who knows about them in Negans army is dead, unless that random car that popped up behind the bikers turns out to be more than a mistake on the show.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on March 15, 2016, 07:39 PM
I still say if they were smart, they'd leave some W's carved on a few heads and write "wolves not far", so if there are anymore wolves, the Saviors will go after them.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: JediJman on March 16, 2016, 12:51 AM
Another great episode.  Agree that these are some of the best we've seen since the series started.  I really thought the negotiation thing was going to last longer too - surprised they wrapped it all up in one show. 

I think Maggie was playing soft at first, but then started to see herself in that redhead after she took a punch from the abusive guy.  Seeing a version of yourself in the crazed eyes of someone else is probably a pretty sobering experience.  I thought for sure she was going to bite it (pun intended) when that walker slide off the spike.

Seems like Negan's group has a pretty advanced system of outposts, scouts, procedures, and codes.  The reinforcements were probably just the closest group.  The "We are all Negan" cultist thing is an interesting take.  Rick's group is thinking they took out the top guy, so should be fun to watch them proved wrong. 

I really liked the "you're not the good guys" line.  Rick's group did attack these guys somewhat unprovoked (unless you count the biker gang).  They killed Negan's people in their sleep, and the mess they left in the safe house sure won't look like self defense.  It was a lot more clear who was right vs. wrong in the comic, but the show is getting a bit ambiguous about it now...
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt_Fury on March 17, 2016, 12:07 AM
I like the pacing of the last two episodes and that the wins have been kind of easy....we're being set up for one hell of a fall in the next three weeks.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on March 21, 2016, 12:04 AM
Well that was a  set up to a shocking moment. Apparently not exactly what comic fans were expecting I gather.

And people acting stupid. Let's not all take the same path, let's try and prove ourselves in dangerous walker kills....Carol, you know Daryl won't accept that!

I give Morgan credit, the prison cell isn't really a bad idea, but such labor needs to go towards defenses.

Confused by Dwight's burns, to me it implied he was at the safe house and burned by Carol but survived. But then I read about his comic character, so....(this means, you don't have to tell me, because I know....just saying that I was initially confused.)
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: GrandMoffNick on March 21, 2016, 01:30 AM
Dr. Kill caught me off guard, but not the same impact as it's comic counterpart.

Loving Dwight is a part of the show with same physical appearance as comic. I really enjoyed his comic arc.

I generally don't feel the need to point out unrealistic/illogical scenes in fictional tv shows but the Dr. in the pharmacy and with the car was just plain dumb.

I'm still hoping Carol will get to kill Morgan at some point
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on March 21, 2016, 02:39 AM
Not the best ep this season but ok...  Didn't see the doc dying, but Hilltop has one so now they have that as leverage too.

Eugene...  Wow.  Uh.  Hmmm.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on March 21, 2016, 08:55 AM
Never have so many, given so much...for a can of soda?!?

Seriously, I hope they at least bought that damn can of pop back to Alexandria so they could bequeath it to Tara. "Hey, your girlfriend is dead but she wanted you to have this RC...drink up, baby!"

And now you have all these great meds and no one to administer them. (ok, forgot about the Hilltop doc, but that is a long drive if you have an emergency)

I love how Daryl is more worried about the bike than whatever happened to that girl that was in the burned forest with Dwight. No one seems curious what happened to her?

I didn't even realize that was supposed to be Dwight in that previous episode, did they ever even say his name? Iron to the face...nice. Not quite as brutal as the electric stove top to the face ala The Shield a few years back, but effective nonetheless.

I knew the bullet idea would make some of you guys happy. Good to see someone thinking ahead at least.

It's like Abraham and Carol suddenly switched their crazy. One stays and one goes but not the ones you would have thought. Kind of a weird swerve there. Hard to see where they are going with that but I assume she will either be killed or return to save the day like with Terminus. Hopefully the latter.

Most disturbing thing to me was Dwight' comment about what a nice place they had in Alexandria. Seems to confirm they are watching them...I figured they would have an impossibly difficult time ever finding them over such a large area, but then again I have actually been to Alexandria and the writers probably never have so they don't understand that there are more then 3 roads in and out of the place.  ::)
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BillCable on March 21, 2016, 09:08 AM
I generally don't feel the need to point out unrealistic/illogical scenes in fictional tv shows but the Dr. in the pharmacy and with the car was just plain dumb.

They're doing all kinda dumb stuff.   I think with the doc she was trying to build up courage or something.  Extremely ill-advised, but somewhat understandable.

Eugene is extremely lucky they ran into Daryl's group, otherwise he'd have been the only leverage they had to get into Alexandria, and that likely wouldn't have boded well for him.  And I'm surprised Daryl didn't notice a dozen guys creeping up on him.  City life is making him dull.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on March 21, 2016, 10:11 AM
Never have so many, given so much...for a can of soda?!?

Seriously, I hope they at least bought that damn can of pop back to Alexandria so they could bequeath it to Tara. "Hey, your girlfriend is dead but she wanted you to have this RC...drink up, baby!"

And she just took the one can and left the others. Because it's not like soda has calories and people need those in a town that had a dwindling food supply.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: evenflow on March 21, 2016, 10:48 AM
Anyone watch Talking Dead? Rosita was smoking on it.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt_Fury on March 21, 2016, 12:36 PM
Anyone else disturbed at what happened in the back room of the pharmacy?
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BillCable on March 21, 2016, 01:03 PM
Was that supposed to be a child predator thing?  I was too busy thinking "what's this idiot doing" to really take in the scenery. 
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Dave on March 21, 2016, 01:30 PM
I assumed they just drowned the child in there.  I was waiting for the infant to pop out of the water and bite someone.

My wife and I discussed that a bit and agreed that its good they don't usually show kids/babies as zombies.  That is probably a bit too disturbing for a prime time TV show.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on March 21, 2016, 02:16 PM
I was thinking she went crazy and ate the kid, not sure if it was before or after she turned though. Gross stuff for sure.

I'm pretty sure they did Zombie Baby early on in "Z-Nation", but yeah, I don't think they would go there on WD. (But i'm all for the dude with the tiger, come on Dalrymple!)

 :D
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: evenflow on March 21, 2016, 03:54 PM
I assumed they just drowned the child in there.  I was waiting for the infant to pop out of the water and bite someone.


I didn't think much of it. Just thought it was a drowning.  Was also expecting it to jump out and bite her.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Morgbug on March 21, 2016, 09:30 PM
Anyone watch Talking Dead? Rosita was smoking on it.
Yeah, I usually only watch the first fifteen or so minutes of it and then get bored.  Visually enticing throughout.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on March 21, 2016, 10:54 PM
Dumbest thing on the show any single person has done was Abraham breaking up with her.  Clearly THAT is something nobody believes would happen.

I can but the rpg stuff and impossible head shots more.

Talking Dead has a few bright spots but every week is a chore to sit through the filler to get to the behind the scenes things, or the preview for next week.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: evenflow on March 21, 2016, 11:40 PM
Dumbest thing on the show any single person has done was Abraham breaking up with her.  Clearly THAT is something nobody believes would happen.


That's my reaction. I told my buddy I can believe the entire Zombie apocalypse but there is no way he is breaking up with her. Least believable thing on the show.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on March 21, 2016, 11:48 PM
The sex in the show is kinda goofy when you think about it but it's worse in the comic I think.  Relationships are kind of necessary for story but I think Darryl's storyline is the most believable in the situation.  Too busy to get busy.  You've got **** to kill and stink to accumulate.

Getting laid probably is not that high on the importance chart...  Except Glenn.  The apocalypse was the best thing to happen to that guy.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on March 27, 2016, 11:21 PM
Tonight's episode, Everybody runs out of Alexandria and gets into trouble for no logical reason. Well, not everybody, just half of them.

Morgan justifies his actions as all part of a circle, never mind if it weren't for him saving the Wolf that Denise never would've been put in harm's way to begin with.

I thought maybe he got bit and didn't want to tell Rick.

A HORSE! A HORSE! MY KINGDOM FOR A HORSE!! Rick and Morgan encounter Richard the III. This after they meet Carol's stunt double in a clever SPACEBALLS reference. (The walker was played by Carol's stunt double)

Carol is still a murder machine. Next time we see her, one of her limbs will have been replaced with a weapon of some sort. Maybe a flame thrower.

Daryl's city living has made him SOFT again.

Where's Aaron in all this? Sorry, only allowed two Alexandrites at a time, this time Tobin and Enid. Next time Deanna's son and I dunno.

And Fear the Walking Flight 30 (seconds) part 105...and we still don't care. Should've made them webisodes. How come none of the past webisodes ever tied back into the series? (Besides bicycle woman) WHAT HAPPEN TO STORAGE UNIT COUPLE?  ???
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt_Fury on March 28, 2016, 02:21 AM
I think we got our first look at someone from the Kingdom tonight.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BillCable on March 28, 2016, 08:02 AM
They did a good job lining up four different possibilities for the baseball bat.  It'll keep the Internet guessing all week.  I wouldn't be surprised to see quite a few casualties.  I don't expect Rosita or Abraham to make it through.  They might wuss out and save both Glenn and Daryl.

Overall, kind of a stupid episode.  Stupid on the part of every character.  They're expecting an imminent attack, so half a dozen of them leave for mostly stupid reasons.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Diddly on March 28, 2016, 09:20 AM
I don't get the Carol thing. I was sorta digging her regretting killing all these people, but here she is murdering Saviors like the old days.

Did I see the ending I thought I saw?

Agreed with half of the town leaving while expecting an attack. It's like the ghost of Lori has inhabited everyone.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Chris M on March 28, 2016, 09:34 AM
Last night really harkened back to Season 2 and even Season 3. 

It was full of stupid decisions that couldn't be explained.  It was also full of a lot of talk about rash decisions.  Nothing really happened, until the very end.  And then we are left with "Okay, now what?"  And we will all tune in for the season finale so we can see if they decided to off Darryl or Glen or Rosita, or whoever...

What was Carol's purpose in leaving?  As smart as she is, she should know someone would head after her.  Why would Darryl leave?  Has he really lost his mind?  Why would some of the main guns in town head off in a van to chase down Darryl?  Why did Rick really feel the need to go with Morgan?  Did Morgan telegraph his own death by telling Rick not to come looking for him?

Seriously, this half of the season has been really, really good, but that episode sucked donkey ass.

Overall, I guess it drove the plot into the finale, but then again, did it really set anything up? It set up Maggie heading down the road to the Hilltop for medical attention, so maybe that's where we will end up in comparison to the comic.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on March 28, 2016, 09:53 AM
I think we got our first look at someone from the Kingdom tonight.

Who? The dude with the Invisible Horse? WHERES THE #$%^& TIGER, WRITERS?!?!  :D

It seems everyone even Hardwick agrees that they all acted stupidly running off like that. Carol would have been fine and only Daryl would have been taken, which happened anyway. I was practically screaming "GLEN, DON'T GO!!"  :(

BTW, I have had about enough with the ninjalike prowess of the Saviors sneaking up on people like Daryl and Michonne who are just so much better than them in every way. Last episode at the train tracks was bad enough but last night was too much. What, are they the Others from LOST or something?

Scoreboard up to something like 55-1 Alexandrites vs Saviors. I guess their compound is the whole city of DC or something because come on, how %^&* many of those aholes are there??

What did Carol have up her sleeve, an UZI? That was a serious spray of bullets.

So the 1 Savior that was left alive - he was hiding in the trees watching Rick and Morgan right? I thought after they went into the fields to look for Carol he followed them, but then they never went back to that. You would think Rick would have stumbled on him on his way back to the car. So what happened to that guy? He must show up next week because they showed that damn crucifix again in the Preview and apparently that string of rosary beads is now the most important symbolic artifact in the world.  ???

I was really convinced that Carol was going to be the last minute pinch hitter for Lucille - she has gotten a lot of screen time of late and her personal journey has kind of come full circle. Not sure how much growth is left for her character at this point. Storywise it doesn't make sense to kill Michonne yet, and I don't think Rosita checking out would be dramatic enough. Which just leaves Glenn or Daryl. I feel like Glenn's story is still evolving too, and he hasn't been given much screen time lately, AND they just teased his death a few episodes back anyway, so I'm hoping he gets a reprieve. But Maggie's new haircut has me worried again.  :-[

I almost want to see them kill Daryl just to watch the Internets explode next week.  :P
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BillCable on March 28, 2016, 10:16 AM
I think the Savior leaving the firefight was out of chronological order - a flashback.  That's how I read it, at least.  It was his blood that Morgan and Rick tracked.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Qui-Gon Jim on March 28, 2016, 12:08 PM
I think the Savior leaving the firefight was out of chronological order - a flashback.  That's how I read it, at least.  It was his blood that Morgan and Rick tracked.

I thought that as well, but if that was the case, there was no indication of that being the case.  I guess there was some time-shifting in the episode so it could make sense.

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They did a good job lining up four different possibilities for the baseball bat.  It'll keep the Internet guessing all week.

100% agree here.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on March 28, 2016, 05:11 PM
4? What about Carol and Morgan who could also get captured....so potential casualties could go as high as six. Imagine all six getting whacked like t-balls.

Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BillCable on March 28, 2016, 05:24 PM
I can't see either of them as candidates for Negan.  They're at least 13 miles from Alexandria, and headed in the wrong direction.  The other 4 are captured nearby by the group that was threatening to use them as hostages to get in just a week ago.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt on March 28, 2016, 06:20 PM
Don't really care how it happens (abortion, miscarriage, whatever), just don't want to have watch Maggie go full-term with this thing.

(Someone slicing Maggie's stomach, killing the fetus, which becomes a zombie fetus, which then proceeds to eat Maggie from the inside out, Alien-style, falls under "whatever")
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on March 28, 2016, 09:10 PM
I think Maggie just has IBS.

Yeah, the whole kick off to the episode was stupid...  Why's Carol just running away?  Makes little sense that she just up and takes off, and yes she'd have to know they'd look for her so she's just making matters worse by doing this.

I didn't get the impression the Savior following Carol and/or Morgan/Rick was out of order chronologically but Rick does go back and doesn't bump into him it seems, so there's that backing that theory up.  But that's some really dumb writing on the part of the show if that's the case.  Confusing for no reason.

Darryl running off is the only reason I would want Darryl dead.  He's, IMO, one of the more interesting characters on the show, but running off is so Carl it's not even funny, and then everyone else running off in kind is just ugh. 

And yes, Carol's gun up her sleeve...  Yet, it's fully auto with no visible magazine?  An Uzi wouldn't fit up your sleeve like that...  I can't think of much that would, and would put down that many rounds onto a car like that.  Neat idea, ****** final look to it though.

Speaking of Carol, she was just going to drive past a truckload of armed dudes staring at them?  Yeah she's the badass on the show?  Right.

Just a lot of dumb rolled up into one episode.

Oh, not to mention the slackjawed yocal from the Simpsons has gotten the drop on Darryl, the ultimate outdoorsman redneck from S1, multiple times now?  FFS come on! 

So a lot of meh last night.  Besides the last scene to get the teeny bopper fans all wound up on the twitters for a week, there wasn't a ton to last night that was interesting or even logica/intelligent.

And yes...  where are the gay guys?  I've been wondering what's up with those two for a while.  They're actually competent, but they're nowhere to be found right now.

Fear had better have a better season 2 than its launch did.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on March 28, 2016, 10:07 PM
They used misdirection in last week's previews, we were meant to think Daryl went after Carol...when he doesn't even know she's left.

Also, Negan's peeps know about Alexandria. How long have they known? HOW LONG? ENID'S A SPY!!! (Are people still saying that, because it got old...)
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BillCable on March 29, 2016, 08:21 AM
(Someone slicing Maggie's stomach, killing the fetus, which becomes a zombie fetus, which then proceeds to eat Maggie from the inside out, Alien-style, falls under "whatever")

That's not how this works!  That's not how any of this works!!

Seriously, though - a surface slice to the abdomen wouldn't impact the progress of a pregnancy.  And a zombie fetus at this stage of development wouldn't have teeth.  Or a jaw.  It'd be the size of a grape.

I don't even think she got sliced anway - only her shirt.  I think the shirt slice was supposed to unleash her motherly rage or something.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: GrandMoffNick on March 29, 2016, 10:48 AM
I certainly like me some Daryl, but I've got no issue with Dwight getting the upper hand on him if the show Dwight is anything like the comic Dwight.

The stupidity of the decisions in this episode are fireable offenses for the writers in my opinion
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Dave on March 29, 2016, 11:08 AM
Do the characters make similar bad decisions in the comic series?

It seems the show oscillates between somewhat plausible plot drivers (everyone is sick in the prison so we've got to venture out and find antibiotics) and randomness (we're likely to be attacked any minute by a formidable force we know very little about, but lets all run out in different directions).

I get it that the zombies and carnage are part of the draw, but couldn't this show also be clever all of of the time and have a consistently logical plot?
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on March 29, 2016, 02:41 PM
IMO they all do equally dumb things in the comics.

I it's about how people "deal with things" I guess they're trying to emphasize the emotional reaction over the thought out logical one.  To that end I get everyone doing what they do kind of knee jerk.  But to me that's the only thing that justifies any of it, and it really barely does.  It just is sometimes ****** writing.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Tracy on April 3, 2016, 02:15 PM

And yes...  where are the gay guys?  I've been wondering what's up with those two for a while.  They're actually competent, but they're nowhere to be found right now.



Are they on the scouting trip with Tara?
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Tracy on April 3, 2016, 02:19 PM
I've not read the graphic novels - but between the chatter on this board, Glen's long look at Maggie in his rear-view and Maggie's comment about having to keep moving forward and not letting anything get in her way - do not bode well for everyone's fav walker bait  :'(
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt_Fury on April 3, 2016, 03:23 PM
I kind of agree, Tracy, but I also think the show might have someone else meet Lucille just to throw comic fans for a loop.

Honestly, this show has diverged from the comic in very significant ways.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on April 3, 2016, 04:26 PM
I really hope you are right about that, Matt. I am not looking forward to tonight's episode...

Ps - Tara is with Heath...Aaron & pal are chilling back in Alexandria. At least they will be ok.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: GrandMoffNick on April 3, 2016, 06:32 PM
I feel more and more it's gonna be Glenn
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on April 3, 2016, 06:59 PM
I feel more and more it's gonna be Glenn

The more I think about, the more concerned I am that it's actually going to end up a cliffhanger and we won't know for sure til the fall premier.  :(
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Pete_Fett on April 3, 2016, 08:29 PM
My vote is that it's actually gonna be Morgan. Like Matt said - a different choice than the comics, will throw the comic book fans for a loop and kill off a character that a lot of fans wanted back, but lately with the whole "you don't have to kill" stuff he's been preaching, I think there are quite a few fans out there that wouldn't mind seeing him go - which would make him a semi-safe "sacrifice" by the producers.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on April 3, 2016, 08:53 PM
My vote is that it's actually gonna be Morgan. Like Matt said - a different choice than the comics, will throw the comic book fans for a loop and kill off a character that a lot of fans wanted back, but lately with the whole "you don't have to kill" stuff he's been preaching, I think there are quite a few fans out there that wouldn't mind seeing him go - which would make him a semi-safe "sacrifice" by the producers.

They do have a recurring habit of killing off the "moral compasses" on the show, so he's got that going for him...(fingers crossed you are right)
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on April 3, 2016, 10:58 PM
Gripping stuff...Jeffrey Dean Morgan was just a brilliant casting choice. what a great introduction.

Cool to see the dudes from The Kingdom. Also like what they have done with Father Gabriel lately. Awesome to see Morgan finally man up and realize hard choices are inevitable.

too much else to process tight now, gonna be a long six months...


Meanwhile, next week FTWD will return with an entire cast I wouldn't mind seeing meet Lucille.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: GrandMoffNick on April 4, 2016, 12:05 AM
I agree I need more time to process......

But Negan's first kill has to be a HUGE kill: Michonne, Daryl, Glenn or Maggie

Abraham would be on the far edge of ok

Anyone else would be a let down.

Carl would be ok but I'd be really disappointed if we don't get the Negan/Carl interaction from the comics.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on April 4, 2016, 12:20 AM
Cheap tactic reused again. They made this season very uneven with their gimmicks. First was Glenn and the magic dumpster (Has anyone found a dumpster in our reality that you can crawl under?), second was the mid-season "finale" with its non-ending (leading to a mid-season premiere that picks up where it left off, a rarity for this show), and now we have EENY-MEENY-MINEY MOE---CATCH A TIGER BY THE TOE...SEE YOU IN OCTOBER!

Morgan wasn't very convincing at first, but the benefit of letting him talk for 20 minutes help push his character. Shouldn't he have been clean shaven?

An episode consisting of them driving into roadblocks and Negan talking, I felt the Morgan/Carol bits were a decent diversion. It was odd she finds the library that was recently sacked. Small world.

Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: GrandMoffNick on April 4, 2016, 12:56 AM
I'm confused about people's shock at a cliffhanger in a tv show

And I've said this before and I'll be a pain in the ass again,  why do people watch a tv show they hate so much?  Just to bitch?

Though that fits with the majority of the toy collectors that hate all the toys they buy I suppose
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: GrandMoffNick on April 4, 2016, 01:06 AM
I thought the "fall of Rick" was brilliant. His cockiness to start and on his knees as Negan's bitch at the end was great.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on April 4, 2016, 01:49 AM
I'm confused about people's shock at a cliffhanger in a tv show

And I've said this before and I'll be a pain in the ass again,  why do people watch a tv show they hate so much?  Just to bitch?

I'm confused that you'd even ask that question. Is this your first day on the internet?

I had a longer response. But it would probably be interpreted as "bitch bitch bitch". So why bother? I mean, I got tv shows to go "hate" watch.


Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: GrandMoffNick on April 4, 2016, 06:20 AM
The internet is for bitching and porn. I get it.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BillCable on April 4, 2016, 07:53 AM
I'm confused about people's shock at a cliffhanger in a tv show

It felt like a rip-off.  For the entire second half of the season, they've been hyping up to this huge death, and then they don't give it to us?  That's just weak.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Pete_Fett on April 4, 2016, 08:26 AM
I agree with Bill and Scockery - this was a total cop-out and then to have Gimple sitting on the couch acting all smug and saying "we now owe you a good story in six months when we come back". How about giving us a good finale a**hole?

You just made us sit through 90 minutes of driving around and road blocks and you can't even commit as to who is killed?!?!

This is a stunt, nothing more, nothing less, to get people to talk about TWD during the summer break.

And to respond to Nick's comment about watching a show I hate, I didn't hate this show until that last minute when the pulled this junk - so now I'm seriously wondering whether this show is even worth my time. I already am pretty lukewarm on FTWD so I could walk away from the franchise no problem at this point.

It's like Kirkman said during The Talking Dead - for issue 100 of the comic he had to do something big so that readers would stay and not go "I've read this for 100 issues? Time to move on..."

Well, I've watched this show loyally for six seasons and a moment I've known is coming for many years was just messed with? Time to move on...
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt_Fury on April 4, 2016, 08:33 AM
To be fair...we did get a big death...we just have to wait until October to see who it is.   ::)

I did like the build up to the Negan reveal...it was a great way to illustrate that Rick and Co had no idea who or what they were dealing with in regards to the saviors.

I enjoyed the Morgan/Carol story as well...looks like the Saviors took care of whoever was holding up in that library as well and we got another glimpse of the folks from the Kingdom.  I can't wait to see who they cast as Ezekiel.

It's definitely going to be a long wait until October...but at least Fear starts up next week, then Preacher, then humans, then Halt and catch Fire....
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: dave in the basement on April 4, 2016, 08:33 AM
I was hoping for some sort of payout with the big finale, but I'm not surprised they ended it in a cliffhanger. I really wish they had kept the episode to 60 minutes, since the driving and soliloquy seemed to be just fluff to me.

I hope Abraham was spared the bat.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BillCable on April 4, 2016, 09:11 AM
I did like the build-up, but I gotta ask how the Saviors knew to block the first road in the first place.  They couldn't have known Maggie was sick.  So the plan was to drag some dissident into the road and wait there until Rick eventually decided it was time to visit Hilltop?  I liked the escalating roadblocks as a way to build tension, but it shows a ridiculous degree of psychic knowledge.  Sure, they could map out probable routes, but knowing which they'd take next, boxing them in, and then somehow realizing they started on foot... really, really convenient.  And then driving them to the circle where they had the RV?  That's borderline ridiculous.  Did they have scouts patrolling every square foot of forest?
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Mikey D on April 4, 2016, 09:12 AM
That was 85 minutes of pure **** that would have been followed by 5 minutes of almost greatness, until they decided to end on the ultimate **** tease.

I did like casting the Comedian as Negan, though.

Thank Christ Game of Thrones comes back in three weeks.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on April 4, 2016, 09:30 AM
Here is my personal ranking of who I would prefer to see die based on how much I like the character/future potential:

1 Sasha
2 Rosita
3 Aaron
4 Eugene
5 Abraham
6 Maggie
7 Carl
8 Michonne
9 Daryl
10 Glenn
11 Rick

The main problem I have with killing Glenn, conceptually, is that it destroys the last vestige of true family in this world. There are no other couples with kids. (their own, anyway) Having Glenn and Maggie and baby would provide a nice counterpoint to the onslaught of everything around them. There is a lot you could do with those 3 as far as writing potential. I still feel like we've only just scratched the surface of Glenn...

The best option of all, IMO, and one I am really sad they did not take, would have been for them to kill Carol. She's been around long enough that it would have the dramatic impact they are looking for, and her character wants to die anyway, and she's more or less worthless now so it would have been a nice alternate route.

Also, the more I think about, the more surprised I am that one of them didn't stand up there at the end there and volunteer for batting practice. Take one for the team as it were. That seems like something one of them would have done, out of some sense of guilt or sacrifice or whatever. Guess they were all too in shock.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BillCable on April 4, 2016, 09:51 AM
Also, the more I think about, the more surprised I am that one of them didn't stand up there at the end there and volunteer for batting practice. Take one for the team as it were. That seems like something one of them would have done, out of some sense of guilt or sacrifice or whatever. Guess they were all too in shock.

Or easier explanation - they were writing for the cliffhanger.

Seems like Aaron, Rosita and Sasha are the only three he didn't address directly.  But that might be because they're the least popular characters, rather than indicative of who he's going to off.

I honestly wouldn't be surprised if the writers themselves haven't fully committed to who's gonna die.  They're probably gathering polling data to see what would give the strongest response without hurting business.

And this really hamstrings them when it comes to promoting the next season.  You can't really show any making-of clips or on-set photos of any of the mains besides Rick, Carl, Carol and Morgan.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jeff on April 4, 2016, 09:58 AM
I'm going to place my bet that next season will start with Rick telling Negan how his favorite gun is also named Lucille.  #problemsolved #BvS :D

I honestly wouldn't be surprised if the writers themselves haven't fully committed to who's gonna die.  They're probably gathering polling data to see what would give the strongest response without hurting business.

And this really hamstrings them when it comes to promoting the next season.  You can't really show any making-of clips or on-set photos of any of the mains besides Rick, Carl, Carol and Morgan.

Agree with all of this. 

Such a dumb mistake to end on the easy "who's going to die" cliffhanger.  I fully expect next season to end with a "who shot JR Mr. Burns Rick" cliffhanger.

Would have been much more impactful IMHO to kill the person and let it stew all summer wondering what was going to happen next...   
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: evenflow on April 4, 2016, 01:22 PM
I personally hope it is Sasha. No attachment to her but it would be a huge let down. Realistically I hope it is Maggie or Darryl.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt_Fury on April 4, 2016, 01:23 PM
Bill, the way I read it was that they've been reconning Alexandria for a while.  They knew where the group was headed and had the manpower and equipment to block them no matter what they did.  That's why Rick is so scared at the end of the episode, they jad no idea the size and capabilities of the Saviors.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BillCable on April 4, 2016, 02:17 PM
But how do you recon "pregnant girl gets sick"?  And set up appropriate roadblocks 20 miles away?  What's the effective range of a walkie-talkie?  Looked it up - in a forested area it's 1/2 to 2 miles.  So they'd need a chain of 40 guys just to relay data back to the first roadblock to let them know to abduct the X-marks-the-spot dude and get him ready.

Then there's the log blockade.  They'd have 2-3 hours to set that up once they got word the RV was moving.  That's assuming a very cautious RV driving speed, which may or may not be realistic.  Even with heavy equipment, stacking that many longs is going to take an entire day.  I suppose we could assume they blocked that route ahead of time, anticipating the confrontation. 

It's just borderline preposterous.  All of it.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: GrandMoffNick on April 4, 2016, 05:54 PM
I'm confused about people's shock at a cliffhanger in a tv show

It felt like a rip-off.  For the entire second half of the season, they've been hyping up to this huge death, and then they don't give it to us?  That's just weak.

Did they?  I'm legitimately asking this question. I've lost track of what the show hyped and what we hyped knowing what happens in the comic.

I mentioned to my sister in law as we watched this last night, "there are people who have no idea about the craziness that is about to happen
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Dave on April 5, 2016, 11:42 AM
I don't read the comics, so I'm assessing this as a pure TV show.

I have no problem at all with the cliffhanger.  Sure its a tease, but some of the best shows do this all the time (Game of Thrones, Lost, Breaking Bad, etc.).  Heck SW E7 ended with a bit of a cliffhanger about what happens next with Rey and Luke, and we still have no real idea of Rey's heritage.   If you don't like cliffhangers you probably shouldn't be watching TV, or movies, or reading books that are part of a series.  Either that or load up on Xanax for season finales.

Like I said, I have no idea what the story line is in the comics and where it is "supposed to go" from here, but I mostly really liked the last episode.  I agree all the roadblocks seemed like way too much trouble to go to even if they did have thirty scouts with walkie talkies, or a drone, or whatever.  But I just chalk it up to creative license to build the tension and show Negan's power.

I am looking forward to next season and how Rick and the crew decide to handle Negan's power, how they may try and build an alliance with others, etc.  I'm guessing they're not just going to play nice and hand over 50% of everything for too long.  **edit - I just read a snippet about how the comic series plays out and it sounds like some solid material for next season.**

And I ended up liking the Carol/Morgan story line as well.  They found some new friends and it might give Carol a shot at some moral redemption by seeing how a different "society" has managed to survive and deal with the moral challenges of a Negan/zombie world.

I felt this season was fairly solid overall.  Its gonna be a long summer...
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Diddly on April 5, 2016, 03:55 PM
I honestly wouldn't be surprised if the writers themselves haven't fully committed to who's gonna die.  They're probably gathering polling data to see what would give the strongest response without hurting business.

Several cast members (Chandler Riggs, specifically) claimed that the cast doesn't even know who was killed and won't find out until the new season starts shooting this summer.

It's a shame this episode will be remembered for so many negative things because JDM as Negan was amazing, and Rick going from confident to hopeless at the end was cool too.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BrentS on April 5, 2016, 04:39 PM
Apparently there are some internet photos floating around that claim you can see the outline of a certain characters silhouette shadow on Neegan during the last POV scene.   The speculation is that "clues" were planted in the episode on who the victim was.    I haven't bothered to go look for these photos yet. 
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Dave on April 5, 2016, 04:49 PM
I honestly wouldn't be surprised if the writers themselves haven't fully committed to who's gonna die.  They're probably gathering polling data to see what would give the strongest response without hurting business.

Maybe that is how they do contract negotiations at AMC.  Either agree to a lower contract price or we'll choose you to be Lucille's victim.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: GrandMoffNick on April 5, 2016, 05:45 PM
I haven't looked at those photos. Not sure I want to.

The more I think about the cliffhanger the more I think it's a lesser character. If it had been Glenn, etc. We'd have talked all summer about that. If it's Rosita, etc. Don't show it now so we wonder/talk all summer
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on April 5, 2016, 08:28 PM
Apparently there are some internet photos floating around that claim you can see the outline of a certain characters silhouette shadow on Neegan during the last POV scene.   The speculation is that "clues" were planted in the episode on who the victim was.    I haven't bothered to go look for these photos yet.

I just spent the better part of an hour searching for these pictures and I came up empty, so if anyone finds a good link please share. Kirkman definitely said there were clues on TD, so I am keen to find out what. I think it has to do with how they were lined up and where he ended on just before "it".

Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on April 5, 2016, 11:01 PM
I've had some things going on so I couldn't watch the last half hour till tonight, and man all that rage is justified IMO.  I agree with Bill and Mikey on this, completely.

I'm probably in the minority here but that dude's neck would've snapped (Hell he was even on chain, not even rope) or his head come off clean...  That was lame, but whole aside thing there.

The whole season built up how the Alexandrians were dealing with something unknown, acting unlike themselves, and it was going to slap 'em in the face.  It was a giant big fart of nothing at the end though.  The POV death scene?  Ugh.  Very lame of a show I didn't expect this from.  I'm usually a huge champion of TWD but this one **** the bed as far as I'm concerned and I hope they don't do season ending cliffhangers again.  They're lame.  Let fans stew for the repercussions in the following season.

My bet's been on Abraham.  His storyline's done IMO.  Then again so is Sasha's.  Frankly I'd prefer Sasha's head be the fruit salad, but I'm wagering Abraham is.  They're going to pull that "Hah it wasn't Glenn!" Mind F.

I'm let down, and I'm sure I'll be equally annoyed (more so, actually, I'm sure), as I trudge through Talking Dead to see the behind the scenes stuff, and attempt to ignore to the lame "We'll get through this" stuff.  ::)
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Qui-Gon Jim on April 6, 2016, 07:45 AM
The worst part is that the victim will be deduced before it is revealed on the show as production info leaks out.  I'm talking about who is on set, who isn't, who is working on a new project, ETC.  Now you could say "don't listen to the spoilers!" but that won't fly here because we all know that person who loves to be "the spoiler."  Most of the time, these things are low profile enough not to be noticed, but the comings and goings early in the production of S7 are going to be more widely covered.

I get the idea behind the cliffhanger, but this isn't going to end well for them.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on April 6, 2016, 09:52 PM
Glenn and the Flyers Twitter accounts had a fun exchange tonight. :)  Wasn't sure if this should be TWD or the hockey thread, but it fit both well ultimately.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on April 8, 2016, 04:10 PM
Some passing questions lingering after the finale:

I think they definitely overdid it as far as the sheer # of Saviors and their omnipotent ability to be everywhere at once. For one thing, it makes it seemingly impossible to believe that with all those guys running around they wouldn't have found Alexandria months ago. I also find it hard to believe they wouldn't have run across the Wolves or vice versa. Or more recently Tara and Heath who have been out on their run for awhile now.

Is it really smart to keep glomming all these people together anyway? What happens when there are so many Saviors they cant support themselves anymore? You can only steal so much after all, it's a very finite # of resources available. I would think the Governor's way would work a lot better - only take the strongest and fittest and eliminate anyone that might be a potential source of trouble.

Seems like the more people you collect the more trouble you are asking for. What if someone wanted to leave and live at the Hilltop? Or Alexandria? Would that be allowed?

Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Dave on April 8, 2016, 04:18 PM
Seems like the more people you collect the more trouble you are asking for.

Agreed.  I assume this is where the next season starts off.

Pulling in a successful/powerful clan (Alexandria) and thinking they won't be a threat is just silly.  The Alexandrians have so far killed somewhere in the neighborhood of 25 Saviors and lost only 2 of their own.  It seems like a bad idea to try and rule them as opposed to just crush them and take their stuff.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: JediJman on April 11, 2016, 02:02 AM
Finally got around to watching the finale, and I thought it was pretty good.   Something of a let down from some of the great early episodes of the second half, but a cool way to terrorize Rick's group.  My take was that the Saviors have been watching Alexandria for a long time.  They knew about the spiked cars in the front, so they've obviously gotten in close.  We know they have patrols and contact over the airways from when Maggie and Carol were captured.  I think they planned out those barricades way in advance, then put things into motion and improvised as needed.  They probably knew when Daryl left and a small group followed, and they likewise probably called it in when the RV left.  I'm guessing they made the connection to the Hilltop as well, so easy enough to figure out which roads to block and shift teams around between the two sites.  They probably had scouts all around the woods and called it in when they started unloading the RV too.

The Carol leaving thing is very irritating.  I wish Morgan had just convinced her to return somehow or she had died.

I'm among the few that really didn't mind the cliffhanger.  It will spur lots of guessing and discussion, and they'll get a large crowd for the S7 premiere to find out who it was.  If they kill a big name like Daryl, you might have some people get pissed and leave the show.  If you kill a bit character like Rosita or Sasha, it's not a meaningful loss and people complain that the writers chickened out.  They are much better off making us wonder what happened. 

I do think it might have been Glenn just given all the recent goodbyes with Maggie.  But I think Negan understands the value of keeping loved ones around to make sure you have something to lose/fear. Given that, I think Maggie/Glenn and Rick/Carl are both safe.  In the comic, he jokes about not killing the minorities because he doesn't want to play the race card, so that could mean Michonne, Sasha, Rosita, and Glenn are safe too.  I'm guessing it's Eugene or Abraham.  They had a little make up session beforehand and either looks big enough to have a better chance of surviving that initial hit from Lucille.  Eugene gave the bullet-making info to Rick, so the story doesn't need him for anything else.  And Abraham has been acting weird for a few episodes now.  He would have been dead by now anyway in the comic-verse.  Runner up guess is Norman Reedus for the reasons above and I think Negan would see Daryl as someone who might stuggle to fall in line. 

Its gonna be a long wait to find out....
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on July 24, 2016, 05:48 PM
Season 7 official trailer is out!

And some people thought they wouldn't have the stones to put Shiva on the show...blasphemy!

 ;D
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on July 24, 2016, 08:24 PM
Well, working a Hindu deity into the show is bound to cause some controversy.

It's funny to maintain the suspense they can't show 80% of the cast. So Morgan, Carol and Tara, whom I'd forgotten about. And Deanna's remaining son.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BillCable on October 9, 2016, 08:35 AM
I would not be surprised at all if the October 23rd premier of this next season of TWD has LOWER ratings than last season.   I honestly hope it does...

I predict you're going to be hugely disappointed.  Whoever died is going to be spoiled within seconds on social media.  No person who watches the show is going to want that information spoiled.  So I'd expect the premiere to get the show's highest ratings.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on October 9, 2016, 11:47 AM
I would not be surprised at all if the October 23rd premier of this next season of TWD has LOWER ratings than last season.   I honestly hope it does...

I predict you're going to be hugely disappointed.  Whoever died is going to be spoiled within seconds on social media.  No person who watches the show is going to want that information spoiled.  So I'd expect the premiere to get the show's highest ratings.

I'm actually doing everything I can to find out who it was beforehand. If I confirm it is Xxxxx I don't plan on watching at all. Mostly because it would ultimately be a HUGE jerk around of the fan base. The ONLY way the stupid cliffhanger would be justified would be if they changed it from the comics. (I assume everyone knows who gets it in the comics but I redacted it anyway)

I find it almost impossible to believe it won't leak sometime before the airing too. That would literally be the best kept secret in television since Who Shot JR. Fingers crossed.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on October 9, 2016, 06:34 PM
The NYCC clip hints at it being someone. But who knows.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on October 10, 2016, 10:58 AM
The NYCC clip hints at it being someone. But who knows.

Yeah, so did the panel apparently, based on some of the actor comments. And some Instagram detective work to see who is not in GA filming currently.

 ;)
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Pete_Fett on October 18, 2016, 11:11 AM
I predict you're going to be hugely disappointed.  Whoever died is going to be spoiled within seconds on social media.  No person who watches the show is going to want that information spoiled.  So I'd expect the premiere to get the show's highest ratings.

You are probably right. But that promo they've put up everywhere which shows Rick telling Neagan that he's going to kill him, is just about the stupidest thing I have ever seen.

Before Neagan bashed someone's head in he said that if anyone says or does anything, to rip out Carl's remaining eye and feed it to Rick. He then beat someone's head in with a baseball bat wrapped in barbwire. Now Rick is going to pick that moment to NOT stay quiet and tell Neagan that he's going to kill him?!?!?

If Neagan drags Rick into the trailer and proceeds to cut off Rick's right hand with the hatchet, I will turn off the show.

I can understand Rick can be shown to be upset and a little bit in shock, but to say something so incredibly stupid to a man who clearly has ALL of the control at that moment is bad writing and I would expect nothing less from the "brilliant" mind behind Ghost Rider: Spirit of Vengeance.  :-X

Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on October 18, 2016, 04:47 PM
You know they won't reveal any of that until at least 20 minutes into the episode. Watch them go to Carol and Morgan first or to the peeps in Alexandria, as Rick and company come back and we have to pay attention to whose still there...as Rick then explains in flashback or has flashbacks. Maggie won't be there, AH-HAW...but then it turns out she's recovering at Hilltop. Eugene isn't there...Ah-haw! But turns out he went to make ammo.  Daryl's NOT THERE! oh, no...but Turns out he went to look for Carol.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on October 19, 2016, 08:35 AM
Pretty sure Daryl spends this season as a "guest" of the Saviors so he and Dwight can continue their weird bromance.

Just go ahead and kill Maggie, that's LIKE killing Glenn, without actually having to kill him. Oh, but she got a new haircut!

I wonder if there is any end Kirkman could craft to the comic that would be even remotely satisfying at this point.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: IncomT65 on October 20, 2016, 03:07 PM
I stopped watching TWD halfway through S6. Really doesn't interest me that much anymore. It's become a bit repetitive in that Rick and his gang are on the run, they find a safe haven and get captured again by the next group of bad guys. Yes, I know SW is a bit repetitive too, but SW is holy and untouchable  ;D
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Rob on October 21, 2016, 11:39 AM
I stopped watching TWD halfway through S6. Really doesn't interest me that much anymore. It's become a bit repetitive in that Rick and his gang are on the run, they find a safe haven and get captured again by the next group of bad guys. Yes, I know SW is a bit repetitive too, but SW is holy and untouchable  ;D

Looks like you stopped an episode or two away from the most captivating and tense stuff that show has seen in maybe ever.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on October 21, 2016, 08:22 PM
Well, the spoilers are out there now, I pretty much read the full recap today on Facebook. Just FYI, if you want to know what's gonna go down, shouldn't be hard to find.


 :-X

Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on October 23, 2016, 08:25 PM
**** is about to get real up in here. I'm just glad Chris Hardwicke will be there for me emotionally after the show is over.  ::)

Regardless of whatever actually happens, I am not looking forward to this episode, or this whole season really, gonna be one long downer IMO.  :(
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: GrandMoffNick on October 24, 2016, 12:27 AM
As the one person on earth who didn't mind the cliffhanger and thus whose opinion doesn't matter in this thread. ...

I give it anyway. I hope the people who didn't watch tonight because they were so outraged enjoyed the tie football game.

I liked what we got tonight. The let down it was Abraham. The relief they didn't go soft by having it be Glenn. Because of that relief it took me to the dinner shot to take the kick to the nuts emotionally it was Glenn.

I'm disappointed the took Daryl. I assume we won't get the brilliant interaction between Negan and Carl from the comic now.

Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on October 24, 2016, 09:07 AM
Well, I had three days to prepare for it and it was still almost unbearable to watch. #$%^&* Dumbass Daryl. Way to control your emotions dude.

I truly enjoyed the first six seasons of this show. Great stuff. I think that show is over though. Dalrymple even said as much on TD. This is a different show now. A bleak, humorless, soul-crushing cavalcade of human misery. Glenn wasn't just the heart and soul of this show, as Hardwick pointed out afterwards, he singlehandedly represented HOPE above all else. He was the one dude who grew and changed for the better, never got warped or lost his way like the others. Hell, he had never even killed anyone until a few episodes ago.

Without Glenn, there is no semblance of family on this show anymore. They broke that down completely. Glenn and Maggie and baby represented something triumphant and beautiful and now that dream is shattered and everyone left is just a twisted, broken shell of a person. You cant help but walk away from that thinking they are all just going to be miserable until they eventually get murdered or eaten.

There is just no possible happy ending here anymore. Kirkman seems hell bent on just abusing these people over and over until he dies. (I say that because it seems clear he never had any clue how to end this story properly and was never even planning on making it this long) I get a real treading water feeling from the comic now, and am starting to wish they would go all Game of Thrones and just start charting their own new territory. Comics have a petty short shelf life creatively speaking anyway.

I'm not trying to bash the show, I think they did a terrific job with the premier, given the direction they had to go. Andy Lincoln was amazing. JDM was enthrallingly despicable. It's just the creative choices I take issue with. With so many other key divergences (Rick's hand, Michonne's rape) there is no reason they could not have changed this up and still had the same impact. But Glenn, there was nobody on the show like him. That's a loss you can't replace. TV Glenn wasn't like comic Glenn, he was a man who had so much more to offer. I understand the logic, the need to move the story forward. I just think it's a dark turn that you can't pivot away from. You can't make me laugh next week so matter what kind of goofy Kingdom crap you throw out there.

I know, it's not like the show was a laugh riot or anything before, But at least it had elements of warmth and humanity that you're not going to get from Rick/Michonne, Rosita/Alexandria guy, etc. The loss ultimately isn't just a character, for me, it is a loss of something they can't get back on this show. And that is a real bummer.

Oh yeah, Abraham. Sorry to see you go too Big Guy. They should have stopped there.

Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Rob on October 24, 2016, 12:17 PM
That, was ******* brutal.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Diddly on October 24, 2016, 12:35 PM
Man I'm really glad I avoided spoilers, but... yikes. What a beatdown, both to the group and the viewer emotionally. So many possibilities as to where they go now. But they made The Governor look like a Care Bear compared to Negan.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: GrandMoffNick on October 24, 2016, 01:15 PM
I will miss Glenn dearly but still think it was the right move storyline wise.

Someone asked recently if there will be a satisfying way to end this. I think it will be Rick and his group's full death and then we will just wonder did mankind go extinct eventually (my guess) or was a cure/solution found by someone eventually.

It is a bleak future
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on October 24, 2016, 01:26 PM
I'd end the comic with the zombies just dying. People don't come back after they die anymore, either. It just stops for no reason.

Or the aliens arrive.  :P
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Morgbug on October 24, 2016, 10:57 PM
I'm frankly ok with them killing Glenn.  Hey, I thought it absolutely ridiculous he hid under a dumpster and lived so it's overdue. 

Thoroughly depressing episode, no question.  Having not read any of the comics and not being much into social media, I'm still largely in the dark.  So thank you all for keeping the thread relatively spoiler free, it is very much appreciated.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on October 25, 2016, 02:57 AM
I'm with Rob, it was brutal...  and in general "fake" **** doesn't affect me but this did for some reason, including the grotesqueness of it.  It was anxiety-inducing in a way. 

If this was Fear, I'd have been cheering.

I FF'd Talking Dead to see the preview for next week...  I'd stop and Hardwick was talking about stupid ****.  At least he didn't throw in jokes about sports, not that I could tell anyway, so that's something for him.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Dave on October 25, 2016, 12:38 PM
Just watched this last night and managed to avoid spoilers.  Yowza.

I agree with everyone's statements.  Not sure if there is ever going to be a redemption or happy ending, but hope at some point the writers feel free to diverge from the comics if the comic story line has wallowed or is lame (I don't read the comics).  I don't just want to watch a brutal show if there isn't some element of hope, but I think they can resurrect that with new characters and growth from the existing ones.

One thing that I both liked and didn't like was the show's graphic nature last night.  In general the violence hasn't been too graphic in this show.  More cartoon violence (or off camera) than graphic.  The season premier was very graphic.  It certainly set the tone and made for a tense viewing.  While I personally don't mind violent TV shows, I'm worried it might turn off some viewers.  My wife has watched this show and enjoyed it with me from the very first episode, but if the violence shown in last night's show continues she will quickly drop off.

I'm looking forward to the rest of the season and the introduction of The Kingdom.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: JediJman on October 25, 2016, 05:41 PM
I loved it.  It was brutal and gross, but a creative way to get the show back on track with a lot of the comic material again.  The Abraham kill had me thinking that was it too, so if they were bound and determined for it to be Glenn, that was a smart way to still make it something of a surprise.  The image of him with the eyeball popping out is 100% faithful to issue #100 of the comics.  There was a lot of love/hate following that turn in the comics, so I'm not surprised to see all the mixed reactions from the TV audience.  Love it or hate it, it was creative.

Kirkman has always maintained that no one (outside of maybe Rick) is safe on this show.  He wants you to care about characters deeply enough that you are outraged when they're taken away.  Its been a long time since a really meaningful character has died, and he upped that with two for the premiere.  I think most of us were hoping for Glenn to make it through, but it would have been cheap to get rid of any of the less important characters IMO.  Sad to see him go, but excited about where this takes the group next.

And yes, I think this is going to be a rough season.  Negan has more brutality up his sleeve, but there’s some pretty cool stuff coming our way.  Room for some pretty interesting new characters and concepts anyway.  Someone was complaining a while back about how the show is just them running from town to town trying to find resources and escape zombies.  Now they have a much bigger problem to deal with and it’s dark, but it’s also something new and unexpected.  I’m excited to see what they do next (and hopefully that involves less smashing heads). 
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on October 30, 2016, 11:40 PM
Big end game spoiler tonite. We see the key to defeating the undead...pigs will eat them. That's it...zombies are done.

Disappointed King Ezekiel didn't say "BOO-YAH!"

Not sure if Carol's story line is interesting or just tiresome at this point. It says something when I'm more interested in what's going on with Morgan than her.

What house has a graveyard on the lawn? Nice choice, Carol.

Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BrentS on October 31, 2016, 07:19 AM
What house has a graveyard on the lawn? Nice choice, Carol.

Well, maybe it's just Halloween decorations  ;D
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on October 31, 2016, 09:30 AM
Based on what we know from previous storylines involving A) infected pigs at the prison and B) Termites eating Bob's "tainted meat", I fail to see any value whatsoever to having the pigs fill their bellies "with rot".

Do they not know after all this time that everyone is infected already anyway? Even those dopes on FTWD figured that out in a few episodes.

Were they just hoping to give the Saviors a stomach ache? Bad gas?

Does a tiger really eat as much as ten men? Yikes.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on October 31, 2016, 12:02 PM
I think feeding the dead to hogs was both out of spite and to get their weight up, so the Saviors would be satisfied. Why waste other feed on them?
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: jedipurge on November 1, 2016, 04:23 PM
i like eziekel but it was tiring hearing him talking like king author, I mean really it needs to be toned down. I get why he's doing it, but still it seems like everyone would see through that and that no one talks like that.

carol, her choice in residence is iffy, the house looks like its right off some sort of main road and will see the lights on from a ways. anyone taking that road is going right in there.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: JediJman on November 5, 2016, 05:20 PM
I don't know if feeding the hogs undead has an impact, but the guy was totally doing it out of spite.  You might not die from eating mud or bugs or **** either, but you certainly wouldn't touch food if you knew that was in there.  At best, it might make them sick and at worst you can feel some little pinch of vengeance against these douche bags. 

The King's gig was over the top, but I thought it was pretty entertaining.  Why not set up some crazy fairy tale?  Dude has a pet tiger - I think he's allowed to be a bit eccentric.  He explains that he was a theater groupie moonlighting at the zoo, so it's not odd to me that an actor would get overly into character.  I was impressed that he saw through Carol so quickly and found a way to still keep her around.  I'm curious to find out the connection to the boy he wants Morgan to train as well.

I checked google out of curiosity.  An average human eats about 5 pounds per day.  A tiger might eat as much as 100 pounds in a day (!), but then lives off that meal, fasting for several days.  5-10 times as much as a human is probably more accurate, though I doubt humans in TWD eat as much as we do given scarce resources and that Tiger did not appear to be starving.  My understanding is that keeping large animals well fed is a pretty good deterrent to them wanting to eat people. 
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on November 5, 2016, 08:07 PM
The boy Morgan's tutoring, I didn't make the connection at the time, but somebody elsewhere speculated that his father and the others who died "clearing a building full of dead" were actually killed by Negan/the Saviors. They were their "Abraham and Glen". Ezekiel covered it up for the same reasons he's covered up the food extortion. Thus,  he watches out for the boy out of guilt.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on November 6, 2016, 10:47 PM
As predicted...not getting back to Alexandria until next week.

Egg sandwich vs dog food sandwich? I'd have to think about it.

Daryl's on easy street, what's his problem?

If you fled Negan, WHY WOULD YOU STICK TO PAVED ROADS? Or any open area? That whole sequence was odd. They seemed to now where the guy was, or why else send just one man after him?

Do we need the Fear the Walking Dead minisodes? So they intro a character who will appear in two episodes next spring? Yay.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BillCable on November 7, 2016, 08:00 AM
Daryl needs to trim his bangs.  That's getting beyond annoying.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on November 7, 2016, 08:57 AM
I'd take the dog food over anything with egg and pickles in it. blecch

The hubris of Hollywood writers, sheesh...you guys failed miserably at trying to make that asshat scumbag Dwight "sympathetic". Give me a break. Do they really expect everyone to forget how he murdered Denise in cold blood FOR NO REASON just a few episodes back? But I'm supposed to feel sorry for this redneck POS because Negan is boning his wife? (Who is not "super hot" BTW, Rosita crushes anyone in that group by a mile)  Give ma an fing break.

This stupid, ugly idiot is no more blameless than those pathetic losers in WWII who were "just following orders". He put himself in that situation plain and simple. He could have just as easily gone back to Alexandria last season with Daryl, told them all about the Saviors, and then he, his wife, Glenn and Abraham would all still be alive and well today because at least they would have had an inkling of what they were getting into. But he had to act like a scared puppy and go slinking back to Negan.

Kinda surpised that a show that just depicted two people getting their heads bashed in with a baseball bat would shy away from showing a dude getting his face burned off with an iron, but that is a flashback I would VERY much like to have seen.

I hate Dwight. I hate him worse than Negan. And I dearly hope they have the balls to kill him off instead of trying to cornhole him into some lame ass, unconvincing redemption story. Probably not, but one can hope.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Dave on November 7, 2016, 10:13 AM
I hate Dwight. I hate him worse than Negan. And I dearly hope they have the balls to kill him off instead of trying to cornhole him into some lame ass, unconvincing redemption story. Probably not, but one can hope.

My guess is that you'll get both.  He'll be redeemed and then get killed.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: GrandMoffNick on November 7, 2016, 11:41 AM
I am a comic book Dwight fan and hope they follow that arc for him.

That being said I agree that tv show Dwight really doesn't seem like anything more than a douche
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on November 7, 2016, 03:06 PM
Daryl needs to trim his bangs.  That's getting beyond annoying.

When they took to him to that exam room, my first thought was "oh, they are gonna cut his hair!"
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on November 9, 2016, 06:15 PM
Ha-ha...this looks like a fun series.
https://youtu.be/deUMaYGnnVE (https://youtu.be/deUMaYGnnVE)
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: JediJman on November 9, 2016, 06:21 PM
That's hilarious
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Tracy on November 10, 2016, 11:59 PM
What house has a graveyard on the lawn? Nice choice, Carol.
It's not that uncommon in small towns in the South.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on November 11, 2016, 12:15 PM
Yeah I've seen that too, Tracy...  I've seen it in the NE too in older more rural areas.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on November 11, 2016, 01:11 PM
Yeah, but those NE areas are Salem's Lots.  :o

Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on November 13, 2016, 11:48 PM
That was anti-climactic.

All that inventorying bit them on the ass. Can't believe they didn't immediately started hiding stuff after they got back to from the baseball bat whack.

Dwight's really building up those sympathy points.  :P

Why the heck did Michonne get that close when the Saviors were still around?

The irony of showing part of Rick's video taped interview, he was the alpha male outsider who more or less took over Alexandria, now he's less than Deanna.

It's really, really hard to believe no one's killed Negan by now, even if it doomed all their friends. Maybe he's not the first Negan.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BrentS on November 14, 2016, 06:31 AM
Interesting episode that I'm not sure needed to be strung out for 90 minutes.

One question that wasn't clear to me... Michonne seemed upset at whatever she saw at the end. I couldn't place what that was looked like a steaming pile on rocks. Did anyone recognize this?  If so, it went right over my head.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Dave on November 14, 2016, 08:51 AM
Interesting episode that I'm not sure needed to be strung out for 90 minutes.

One question that wasn't clear to me... Michonne seemed upset at whatever she saw at the end. I couldn't place what that was looked like a steaming pile on rocks. Did anyone recognize this?  If so, it went right over my head.

It was all their mattresses that were taken by The Saviors.  Apparently they just like to be dicks by taking people's stuff and burning it.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BrentS on November 14, 2016, 09:22 AM
It was all their mattresses that were taken by The Saviors.  Apparently they just like to be dicks by taking people's stuff and burning it.

Ah, that makes complete sense.  I must have been more sleepy than I realized.  When I was looking at it, I thought those were giant burning chunks of concrete.  Gonna go back and look watch it again now.   ;)  Thanks 
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on November 14, 2016, 09:54 AM
Yeah, thanks for clearing that Michonne thing up...I was baffled too. What a dick move.

So Rick is so terrified of Negan he will hand over all the guns, even the ones he didn't know about, to avoid any conflict, but he outright lies about Maggie in a way that would be easy to confirm? What if they just dug up her grave?

Looks like they are going to find her next week anyway unless Jesus pulls some kind of sick Ninja crap to hide her away. So what was the point of that lie anyway? The only thing I could come up with was he didn't want Negan to know they were aware of the Hilltop. But I don't see why that is a big deal though. Negan isn't stupid after all, WTF did he think they were dragging Maggie to on a stretcher in the middle of the woods?!? He had to know they were headed there based on how close they were.

Carl and Rosita are pretty much the only ones who seem to get it. And come on Daryl, speak up there at the end. At least say "i'm ok, Rick" or something. Sheesh.

Unbelievable Rick went so soft on Spencer. That POS should have been thrown out right there. Or just tell Negan he was the one who stole the guns and let him meet and greet Lucille. NO REASON to keep that little weasel around, especially after that crack about Glenn and Abraham.  >:(

I hate pussified Rick. He is worthless as long as he stays like this. It's like every other season he bounces back and forth from uber bad ass to callow wimp.

And agree it seems almost beyond credulity that no one would have just capped Negan and ended the whole cult of personality right there. Those dirtbags would be fighting amongst themselves in no time.

Glad they remembered there are still zombies on this show though.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on November 14, 2016, 12:04 PM
They wouldn't dig up the grave as they have no reason to suspect anything yet. Maggie was in rough shape.

Spencer's nearly worthless, but not wrong. Since Rick showed up, many people have died.

One RPG shot would've ended Negan and a chunk of his boys.  The blast or ensuing fight would've killed Daryl, but at this point there should be things worrying them more than one person's life. However, Rick didn't want to fight, they were totally unprepared to do,  so it's moot.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on November 14, 2016, 02:32 PM
I dunno, he was curious enough to ask about her...if Rick is worried about improbable stuff like them digging up guns buried in a field someplace it seems like digging up the grave would not be a stretch...for him to imagine anyway.

I still think Spencer's 100% wrong on Rick. His arrival just happened to precede a number of unfortunate events. If he hadn't been there to come up with a plan they would have been overrun soon enough when all those walkers from the quarry or whatever broke through. They had no idea they were even there!

And it was most definitely only a matter of time until Negan and gang would have come calling. Rick was stupid to provoke them but ultimately it only cost two people (ok, 3 with Denise) their lives, and they were Rick's people, not Alexandrians.

They lost a hell of a lot more people to the Wolves and it seems pretty reasonable to argue that Aaron and Morgan were a lot more culpable for those deaths than Rick. Aaron lost the backpack and Morgan let that guy go.

It is a fair point about Rick offing the doctor (AKA Porch Dick) but one of his kids probably would have done that eventually anyway.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on November 16, 2016, 12:07 AM
If you're that messed up mentally, how do you not pack up and abandon the ship?  Move and do so expeditiously.

I agree, Rick like this is useless and kinda meh to watch.

Agree too, how do you not hide some **** somewhere?  This isn't a world where hiding things is impossible.  It's probably easier than this world because there is ample free space.

Also agree, as does my mother who loves this show, how has Negan lived this long?  I like the idea that the name passes on but have they had enough time to make something that "complex" in their little goofy society?

It's a boring thing watching Rick get throat banged, but I guess it's kinda necessary...  but boring as all get out.

One thing it does do though is makes you wonder if a random Alexandrite gets beebopped for gore's sake.

Still though, Negan being alive and like he is defies logic.  ******** seem good on paper, sure, but guys like The Governator are more believable as characters.  Being just a walking cockgobbler is a surefire way to just get shot...  Negan has a bat.  Pistol beats bat.  Yet these guys walk around like beat dogs...  I don't think this would've panned out this way this long.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Chris M on November 16, 2016, 06:17 AM
That episode was boring as hell and while it may have built a few things for later on, it was still like pulling teeth to watch.  I can't say it really got me amped up for next week.

JDM is incredible as he plays out the role of Negan, and Lincoln is still doing an incredible job at going from extreme to extreme.  But, I don't really buy Rick bailing on everything after he has completely dug in against other baddies and in one way or another handed them their ass.

In the end, I was really disappointed with that episode.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Diddly on November 16, 2016, 09:13 AM
I honestly thought they had buried some weapons/supplies in the Maggie "grave"
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on November 17, 2016, 04:09 PM
I honestly thought they had buried some weapons/supplies in the Maggie "grave"

That what others are speculating. Either Rick has an enormous poker face or wasn't in on it. Was Father Gabriel thinking ahead? Was his "I have faith in you" to Rick  "I know you'll decided to fight back again and I've saved the means to do so"? If so, why didn't he bury the RPG? Possibly because it had been inventoried.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Dave on November 17, 2016, 08:30 PM
I thought they were out of RPG rounds (used the last one to light the pond on fire) and just had the launcher left.  Kinda useless without RPG rounds.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on November 17, 2016, 08:42 PM
Yeah, in the RPG episodes, they only ever had a couple rounds and spent them.  I know it's in the south but even hillbillies aren't hoarding RPG rounds in bulk. :)

Maybe Negan's gonna just beat gingers with it when he realizes it's just basically a pipe now?

Saw an interesting theory that Darryl may have said something to Rick, without most catching it.  That and the potential grave O Guns is interesting.  :-X
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: JediJman on November 20, 2016, 10:47 AM
I think Rick's frame of mind right now is shattered.  He never wanted to be a leader, but took on the role somewhat reluctantly.  Watching someone bash two good friends' head's in with a bat would be pretty traumatic.  He fully blames himself for it I'm sure and the possible follow-up threat of having to cut up his son or what they could do to Carl, Judith, Michonne, etc. has him scared to death.  Doesn't mean he won't fight back at some point - you can see he still wants to in those scenes where he's gripping the bat - but it wouldn't be realistic for him to put up a fight right now after all that. 

As a cop, I assume Rick has a better idea than most of how lying can go wrong.  I don't think he remembered the ledger - if he had, they should have destroyed that immediately.  But hiding stuff, lying, fighting back means someone else gets killed in front of him.  As for Maggie - wasn't it the preacher who said she was dead?  Either way, I think Rick gets that Negan takes whatever he wants. He showed some interest in Maggie when they first met, so hiding her away saves her from a fate worse than death.  That one was worth the risk.

I did like how Rosita immediately figured out how to get more guns.  It's a good bet that more undead have them, so not a terrible way to rearm themselves.  Eugene can make more ammo, which Negan still doesn't know, so Alexandria still has some surprises waiting.  I'm not sure ALL of the guns were inventoried anyway, so won't be surprised if some are stashed away.  What about the gun Carl pulled on Negan's guys?  And didn't Rick or someone hide a gun out by some white house when they first arrived in Alexandria? 

I'm with Scock though - an RPG waiting at the gate for Negan could have ended things quickly.  His troops wouldn't know what to do with themselves.  I guess using the RPG again against Negan would be lame story writing, but that would have been a cool way to turn this all around.  They did go out of the way to let us know that Negan came earlier than expected, so maybe that threw a wrench in some plans to fight back. 

I really like the contrast between Rick and Daryl in this situation.  Daryl could have it a lot easier with no effort, but refuses to give in.  Rick gives in 110%.  It's going to be interesting to see how this all plays out.  Will Rick just need some time to heal, then hatch a plan to fight back?  Or will Daryl inspire the other saviors to turn against Negan with his defiance?
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt_Fury on November 20, 2016, 06:32 PM
Rick doesn't see a way to win at this point.  He doesn't think he has enough people between Alexandria and the Hilltop to defeat Negan.

Once he learns about the Kingdom...I bet we see a change in him.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on November 20, 2016, 07:05 PM
Yeah, but outside of a small handful of guys the Kingdom is filled with a bunch of candy asses who couldn't even kill a walker, much less a Savior. I don't see those guys being much help without several seasons worth of training. The other Alexandrians are barely capable as it is. And the Hilltop isn't much better, that's how they got into this mess in the first place, asking Rick to help protect them.

What they need is to find a huge stash of weapons first and then somehow figure out how to get a bunch of the Saviors to turn on Negan and help take him down from within. I don't see them winning an all out straight up assault even with the 3 groups working together.

Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: JediJman on November 20, 2016, 07:27 PM
Yeah, but outside of a small handful of guys the Kingdom is filled with a bunch of candy asses who couldn't even kill a walker, much less a Savior. I don't see those guys being much help without several seasons worth of training. The other Alexandrians are barely capable as it is. And the Hilltop isn't much better, that's how they got into this mess in the first place, asking Rick to help protect them.

What they need is to find a huge stash of weapons first and then somehow figure out how to get a bunch of the Saviors to turn on Negan and help take him down from within. I don't see them winning an all out straight up assault even with the 3 groups working together.

What they haven't realized yet is that they just need to take out Negan.  We've seen how he belittles even his closest lieutenants.  Between most of them hating him and no real second-in-command, a dead Negan is a game changer.  I don't see the Alexandrians, Hill Toppers, or Kindomers doing much to fight back, though they could also be a sizable force if they had some weapons.  Maybe they join together as a distraction while Assassin Jesus takes down Negan.   :o
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on November 21, 2016, 12:25 AM
Wow.

It's like "Carl hasn't done something stupid lately, so let's have him do this..."

Teen romance....yay. It took Carl and Enid over a day to reach Hilltop. Where did they spend the night? A DEAD AND BREAKFAST?

The Saviors night time message didn't add up. They got into the compound, open the gates, parked a car playing loud music, set bonfires all without initially waking anyone up.

Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on November 21, 2016, 12:59 AM
Wow.

It's like "Carl hasn't done something stupid lately, so let's have him do this..."

Teen romance....yay. It took Carl and Enid over a day to reach Hilltop. Where did they spend the night? A DEAD AND BREAKFAST?

The Saviors night time message didn't add up. They got into the compound, open the gates, parked a car playing loud music, set bonfires all without initially waking anyone up.

A dead and breakfast CORAL!

(http://i.imgur.com/gpTUZbM.png?fb)

Waste of a perfectly good Gremlin.  Kinda sad.  :-\
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Chris M on November 21, 2016, 08:48 AM
Did anybody else find that episode to be mostly craptastic?

I understand the need to build the suspense and fill in the backstory, but good lord this is getting to remind me of season 2.  No action, a lot of talking and drama, a little snippet of something here and there, and then a cliffhanger.  I hate to sit and complain, but the point has been pretty well drilled home that Negan and his guys are bad, egotistical, and rule with an iron fist.  Time to push the story forward.  It's no wonder the ratings have been falling off the past few weeks.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on November 21, 2016, 08:49 AM
I thought Rick and the gang took Abraham and Glenn's bodies with them. I guess Sasha and Maggie had a car? I was thinking they had to walk the rest of the way to the Hilltop but no way they lugged those bodies with them all that way.

It felt like there were only about 5 other people living there this episode. (And how hard is it to remember people's names dude! Sheesh)

Coral is determined to prove he can be stupider and more impulsive than Daryl.

Still feel like they haven't unleashed the full ninja-like warrior prowess of Jesus, but it is coming, I can feel it!
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: JediJman on November 21, 2016, 09:11 AM
Yeah, this was another pretty boring episode.  I guess we get to see that Negan does have kind of a sadistic 2nd in command and it was good to check in on Jesus and the hilltop, but everything else was pretty boring. 
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Diddly on November 21, 2016, 09:15 AM
Yeah, another boring episode. We're at what, 3 in a row now? Highlight of the episode was Steven Ogg (the Negan squad leader who took the booze, he played Trevor in GTA5)
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on November 21, 2016, 12:03 PM
Wait for next week, which will have Tara and probably no other regular cast members...though at this point, calling her a regular cast member is really a stretch.

But at least they aren't skipping Thanksgiving weekend.

It's odd I've lived to see Gremlins become classic cars that people are sad to see destroyed. My folks had one back in the 70's.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: JediJman on November 21, 2016, 01:31 PM
I don't mind them moving around to different cast members and storylines, but I don't understand why it has to be show specific.  I'd rather see a little bit of what's going on each place than what feels like stand alone filler episodes where they only made a small portion of the cast come into work that day.  You can basically show the same stuff, but edit it together.  I love TWD, but these episodes feel pretty lazy to me.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: GrandMoffNick on November 21, 2016, 01:41 PM
I think Justin nailed it. Take these last three episodes, jumble them together and have parts of them be one episode. Maybe two, but as individual episodes over three weeks is too much.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Qui-Gon Jim on November 21, 2016, 08:04 PM
Did anybody else find that episode to be mostly craptastic?

I understand the need to build the suspense and fill in the backstory, but good lord this is getting to remind me of season 2.  No action, a lot of talking and drama, a little snippet of something here and there, and then a cliffhanger.  I hate to sit and complain, but the point has been pretty well drilled home that Negan and his guys are bad, egotistical, and rule with an iron fist.  Time to push the story forward.  It's no wonder the ratings have been falling off the past few weeks.
Here, here!  Hopefully they understand that audiences want to see  Johnny and Kobra Kais get their asses whooped at some point.  They better not think of dragging out Rick and crew eating **** into the next season. There is a finite amount that an audience will take before moving on.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Qui-Gon Jim on November 21, 2016, 08:14 PM
Also: when someone in the writing room suggests more of this teen love BS, fire them.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BrentS on November 22, 2016, 12:31 PM
I don't mind them moving around to different cast members and storylines, but I don't understand why it has to be show specific.  I'd rather see a little bit of what's going on each place than what feels like stand alone filler episodes where they only made a small portion of the cast come into work that day.  You can basically show the same stuff, but edit it together.  I love TWD, but these episodes feel pretty lazy to me.

I thought I read somewhere that since the Cast gets paid per episode when they do full stand alone episodes, not everyone gets paid for every episode.  That's the only "practical" reason I see for this approach.  I'm sure there is some "story telling reason" for this but I hate it.  I would much rather just see all the stories advancing simultaneously.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Diddly on November 27, 2016, 09:33 PM
I'm tapping out halfway through this week's episode. Even worse than last week's.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on November 27, 2016, 10:43 PM
It was okay episode for a show that gets 20 to 22 new episodes a year.

However, TWD gets 16 episodes...so...I dunno.

Kill anyone who approaches our camp...or is intrigued by the ringing bells...oops! At least they weren't some sort of man-hating crazy cult.

Take out her out in the woods and shoot her, so we won't have to drag her body out...or something. I dunno.

When they cut to the final flachback scene of her and Heath on the bridge, for a second there I was thinking she imagined Oceanside and this was mostly a fantasy episode. I don't know why they'd do that, but...

The fake-out bridge walker was trite....oh, did he die...oh, he didn't.

The bold thing would've been to kill Tara off with no one knowing her fate. Or both her and Heath.

We're supposed to accept she walked all the way back despite the indication that she and Heath had driven a decent ways.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Qui-Gon Jim on November 27, 2016, 11:07 PM
Awful.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jeff on November 27, 2016, 11:12 PM
I have not watched an episode of this show since the skull-bashing premiere.  Every time I think I should catch up, I read up on the comments in here...

Did anybody else find that episode to be mostly craptastic?
Yeah, this was another pretty boring episode.
Even worse than last week's.
Awful.


So yeah, pretty glad I haven't kept up I guess.

I'll be sure to just keep on reading here and start back up once something interesting and worthwhile happens. :P
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BillCable on November 27, 2016, 11:25 PM
Horrible writing.  A lesbian wakes up in a town full of only women... and leaves.   :P

Snark aside, it was a pretty awful episode.  I'm really happy I watch this on DVR after Westworld these days.  I'd be pissed if I wasted an entire hour on this show.  But maybe it'll pick up next week.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on November 27, 2016, 11:45 PM
Horrible writing.  A lesbian wakes up in a town full of only women... and leaves.   :P


Which is why I had a theory that the community was all Tara's imagination.

Her mind created a male-less society that would seem to be appeal to her ("I can't believe I'm asking this, but where are all the men."), but she was unwelcome...that echos what Heath was discussing...everyone chooses themselves over others.  The violent little girl mirrors the one who killed her girlfriend at the prison attack in season 4. Tara's obvious lying, which means she'll be forced to tell them truth (confession).  The women telling Tara of retaliation from the Saviors is the fear that the Saviors weren't wiped out which was always in the back of her mind. (How could the women have specifically known that the satellite station was a Savior outpost? Tara never said "Saviors" to them, IIRC).  The woman who helped her represented Tara's hope and humanity (back to the conversation between her and Heath).

So none of it really happened. The still river waters are part of the proof. She didn't get washed away to any sandy beach. The bracelet, the spear...she found all that abandoned somewhere in a cabin or tent on the other side of the river.  Tara swearing never to tell anyone about their camp was herself admitting it was a delusion.

Of course,  as far as the show goes...it did happen. But whatever...I'm trying to make this episode more interesting.  :P
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Diddly on November 28, 2016, 12:22 AM
Jeff, this season after the premiere has been mind-numbingly bad. Like, "I might not watch again" bad. You're missing literally nothing.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Chris M on November 28, 2016, 06:24 AM
The best thing from that episode was it didn't go on and on and on with Negan showing how much of a bad person he is.  He wasn't in it, and I didn't have to listen to him.

Other than that...I wonder if it did anything for the story.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BrentS on November 28, 2016, 07:49 AM
Yep, total snooze fest. Seems like all they are trying to do is show off all these new communities. I guess they are building for the "war" after winter finale which for the first time since I've stated watching the show, I sort of looking forward too.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on November 28, 2016, 09:58 AM
Yeah, as I bemoaned after the premiere, this is not the same show anymore. I used to look forward to a new episode more than anything on TV but now I find it barely watchable. And not even remotely enjoyable.

I think they have hit the point where the comic blueprint has become a tedious burden. This show was at its best creatively, IMHO, when they were kind of doing there own thing. Having something play out over many issues in a comic is not the same as doing it with episodic TV. I swear, I feel like the writers and Dalrymple are just sitting around a big table every week talking about how they can stall things out.

And so we get stuff like this. Looking forward to that inevitable Father Gabriel episode!  ::)

And WTF is "PPP" supposed to mean?
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on November 28, 2016, 12:28 PM
Princess Penelope's People's calling card?

We'll be introduced to her soon.

How about Pied Piper's Pizza?

Er...Pirates of Penzance Patrol?
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt_Fury on November 29, 2016, 08:40 AM
I don't know...the past few episodes have been a bit of a slow burn, but you need to develop characters so that you can care about them before the writers and producers kill them off.  Also, it takes a while to establish that our main characters are living in a larger world than they know...and we've also gotten a glimpse on how far Negan's reach actually is.

He is by far the worst bad guy in the comics....and I like how they've translated the character to TV.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Rob on November 29, 2016, 12:59 PM
Other than that...I wonder if it did anything for the story.

I haven't read any of the comics, but my assumption is that at this point they need to do two things:

1) Elevate some of the second tier characters into main characters
2) Continue to establish new settlements that will eventually all have to band together to deal with the Saviors, like they did with the King Ezekiel episode. 

To me, this episode was definitely boring, but probably important in terms of advancing the story for the later part of the season.

EDIT:  Just read Matt's post - so yeah, what he said.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BillCable on November 29, 2016, 01:36 PM
You can build up secondary characters in much more interesting ways.  This latest episode was just dull and badly written.  First, unless you have superhuman strength, pulling at a duffle bag on the bottom of a pile of sand isn't going to cause that pile to collapse.  You want to UNLEASH THE SAND ZOMBIES then find a believable way to do it.

Then you send two women out to shoot Tara in the back.  And when her back is turned, they DON'T shoot her in the back.  They wait until she's far enough away to miss her.  More believable would have been for Tara to run off unprompted, but I guess that'd make her character suspicious instead of the free spirit she is.

Then the two women charged with ensuring the safety of the colony and the lives of everybody living there GIVE UP because there's a dozen walkers on the bridge between them and Tara.  These two women each strapping semi-auto rifles.  But she's 50 yards away now... it's a lost cause.  Let her spread the word of our secret colony to the people who murdered all our menfolk. 

My point - they could write much better, more engaging episodes.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Rob on November 29, 2016, 01:43 PM
Absolutely.  The point about shooting Tara in the back... that kind of thing is an issue all the time.  The idea that any of these guys ever escape from bad guys with guns is silly.  I mean, it's not Dr. Evil and the shark tank level silly, but if someone has a gun and you're their captive and they want to kill you, they're just going to do it.  No fuss, no drama, no long pauses, no opportunities to run away while they miss their shots at an ever increasing distance. 

Hell, there wasn't even any real reason to march Tara out of the camp to shoot her, other than the idea of not having to dispose of the body.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Pete_Fett on November 29, 2016, 08:02 PM
I would not be surprised at all if the October 23rd premier of this next season of TWD has LOWER ratings than last season.   I honestly hope it does...

I predict you're going to be hugely disappointed.  Whoever died is going to be spoiled within seconds on social media.  No person who watches the show is going to want that information spoiled.  So I'd expect the premiere to get the show's highest ratings.

Ok - so I was off by a couple of episodes, but TWD, according to this article, has now hit series low ratings...

http://www.forbes.com/sites/insertcoin/2016/11/27/five-reasons-why-the-walking-deads-ratings-are-crashing-to-season-3-levels/

Good job on that cliff hanger that just pissed people off AMC/Gimple. Seems like you guys here on JediDefender aren't liking it that much either. I totally watch Westworld now and maybe catch little bits here and there when my wife is watching it - she herself has moved into "Hate Watch" territory like we both are with Fear The Walking Dead.

Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on November 30, 2016, 12:47 AM
I don't hate TWD, but they seem to be stuck on the  formula of just building up to a midseason finale and then a season finale, which is getting to be a problem with many shows. (It makes me miss episodic television).  And they're back to separating characters, leaving the audience to wonder when everyone is getting back together...even though there's arguably too many characters on the show to NOT have them split up into different arcs. But can lead to drawn out stories.  As they said on Talking Dead, we last saw Tara 9 episodes a go!
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on November 30, 2016, 12:54 AM
I don't hate it either and yeah, that seems to be an issue with the show...  It could do more right now but I also don't think it is as bad as this thread has implied.  Some of it, yes.  And I cannot watch a constant Rick cuckold either, but I also can see why this requires some building.  I don't foresee the Savior angle being as quickly dealt with as the Governor angle was.  This seems like a problem that will be around for more than a season or two even, and that the build up to what they do has to be there.

That said, some new characters and offings that aren't necessarily of the ballbat variety could help.

And less Hardwick...  in all angles of life really.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: GrandMoffNick on November 30, 2016, 12:26 PM
I've been critical on this season's episodes after the premiere, but that is far from saying it's a "Hate Watch" show like FTWD. (Most) Every show has it's ups and downs.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on November 30, 2016, 11:45 PM
I tend to marathon FTWD here and there, so I can FF it if I'm bored, but I do like keeping up with it...  Well, like is a strong word.  :-\
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Dave on December 1, 2016, 02:35 PM
I actually didn't have as much of a problem with this week's episode.  It moved along at an okay pace.  Sure there was some "suspend disbelief" stuff, but that has been par for the course all along.

My only hope is that the payoff starts to come before too long.  Unless knowing the individual characters in these other camps is critical, there is probably a quicker way of getting to the likely step of banding together against The Saviors.  We already know The Hilltop knows of other groups.  All they would need is one of these other groups to connect the dots to make it happen.

But they do need to tighten things up and get back to the core characters like Michonne kicking ass, Eugene building a bomb factory, etc.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: JediJman on December 4, 2016, 01:15 PM
+1  I liked this episode.  Tara's not my favorite character, but her couple of funny moments and another camp of survivors some where was a little interesting.  At least there was some shooting and zombies in this episode. 

I really don't think the cliff hanger last season is driving the lower ratings.  Part of it is probably just age of the show and part of it are some of these slow, less action oriented episodes.  I'm still enjoying the show - just not as much as prior seasons.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Tracy on December 4, 2016, 04:03 PM

And WTF is "PPP" supposed to mean?

Pee Pee Pants
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on December 4, 2016, 10:56 PM
Tonight's episode left me at loss for words because I used them all screaming at the tv when Carl blew it before the opening credits rolled.

Spencer finds magic Latin note. Okay. Sure.

Aaron and Rick find...well who knows? Would've been interesting (maybe next week) but we have to listen to Negan yak away for long periods.

The iron! how horrible...unless you've seen someone's throat slit in front of you by folks who are gonna eat you. Or were almost raped by a scuzz bag. As far as Carl and Daryl got that scene should've been shurg worthy for them.

One bullet. Guess Rosita did forget about the shell casing from bullet Carl shot at the infirmary. (may not have been the same caliber)

Speed bumps of the dead!

Negan likes all kinds of ladies! But is probably shooting blanks.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on December 5, 2016, 01:38 PM
Yeah, you go to all that trouble and risk everyone's lives including your own, and then you don't take the shot when he is right there in front of you?? WTF Coral? Was he in your blind spot or something? How many open shots at this guy are they going to pass up?

Are people free to leave anytime they want as long as they are paid up? why would he bother to lie about where the new stuff came from? You can't keep a secret that fifty people already know. People must know there are other communities out there. Seems like chilling in the kingdom would be a hell of a lot more fun than some dirty factory where guys are taking a hot iron to your face if you step out of line.

I naturally assumed that it was Jesus who sprang Daryl, but Hardwicke acted like it was some big mystery, so maybe it was D or his ex? Do I care? Meh

Guessing Michonne will arrive to help Daryl and or Jesus escape, Rick and Aaron will take the zombie boat ride, and Negan ends up taking Judith back to the Sanctuary to help keep the Grimes in line.

Almost cannot watch anymore scenes with Spencer he is such an unrepentant douche. Please kill this jackass as soon as possible.

Listening to Rosita tear into Eugene was like watching Vincent Donofrio getting beaten by bars of soap in Full Metal Jacket...but hopefully lights a fire under his ass.

Please don't leave us hanging on Heath's fate next week!  :D
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Chris M on December 5, 2016, 01:50 PM
Wow...Negan is a bad guy...haven't we covered that?

I guess this episode was marginally better than the past 5, but not by much.

I see Negan's people and I keep thinking, they can't stand the guy, why not just overthrow him.  It's not that hard and they have the numbers.  If he died, they have supplies already and a network to continue gathering. 

I loved seeing Rick for like 5 minutes.  Wow, does he have much of a role this season?

Michonne/Rosita are redeeming simply because they aren't taking any crap and rolling over to die.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: GrandMoffNick on December 5, 2016, 03:21 PM
I don't have an answer to why Alexandria, Hill Top, x, y, or z wouldn't just take their first attempt and kill Negan.

However, I do think it makes sense that the other members of the Saviors like that they have a steady supply of goods coming to them from other communities and don't know that if they overthrow Negan that the other communities will fear the new leader enough to do so.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Chris M on December 5, 2016, 03:53 PM
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However, I do think it makes sense that the other members of the Saviors like that they have a steady supply of goods coming to them from other communities and don't know that if they overthrow Negan that the other communities will fear the new leader enough to do so.

I've thought of that, but also wonder why a person would subjugate themselves to that kind of abuse.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: JediJman on December 5, 2016, 04:40 PM
I guess I'm in the minority in liking last night's episode a lot more than the previous two.  Lots more action and we are finally getting a lit bit of what's going on with everyone instead of these character-specific episodes.  I'm liking that Carl made it to Negan's HQ - I figured they were going to use Daryl instead, so it was cool to see this come to life.  Yeah, Carl probably should have shot Negan, but where's the fun in that?  And keep in mind, he's a scared kid with one eye.

As for overthrowing Negan, I don't think it's all that simple and that's what I think they're trying to portray.  So far, we know he  gives you an iron to the face for minor infractions/fun, beats people's head's in as an introduction, and is willing to kill off every man in a community that acts up.  His enforcers have it pretty good (despite random abuse/scares to keep them in line), so they're probably not looking to overthrow him.  I think he's got most of the saviors sold on his dictatorship being better off than people being on their own as well.

As for communities rising up against him, I think that was the point of the previous episode where they let us know that all the men were slaughtered. They've demonstrated a few times now that if you are the person committing the infraction, it might be someone else who receives the punishment.  If you're Rick with a girlfriend, a teenage son, and an infant daughter, it'd be pretty scary to think about what he could do to any/all of them if you tried, but failed to take him out, or what his successor might do even if you got to him.  If you care about anyone in your community other than yourself, it would be tough to do much against him knowing the consequences.

Agree with everyone else on getting rid of Spencer.  I hate that Self-entitled whiner. 

Rosita and the one bullet thing is beyond stupid.  Way too much storyline about it at this point.  That single shot better have a big payout for us in the near future.

There was another clip of paralyzed-with-fear Rick in next week's preview, so I think you're right with him holding onto Judith for a while.  It's not like he doesn't have half a dozen wives sitting around to help take care of her. 

I think the build up to the mid-season finale is going to be a fun ride. 
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jedi Idej on December 6, 2016, 06:25 PM
I figure Negan's created an environment where everyone is in self-preservation mode. Within his group, those high in the pecking order don't want to risk being on the outs if he's removed so they help maintain Negan's order. I imagine Dwight and his kind have engendered a lot of animus and would be pitchforked once the status quo changes. And those who have a lot to gain could be fearful of retribution by loyalists. And some just might be content with the oppression  because outsiders who have to provide protection payment have it worse.

Ditto with "Spencer's a d!ck".

Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on December 8, 2016, 07:27 PM
The Negan Cuckold thing is getting kinda old though, as the filler for entire episodes...   :-\
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on December 8, 2016, 11:30 PM
He'd already been showed around Alexandria once!

It would be funny if Negan moves in for reals.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on December 8, 2016, 11:51 PM
Well you never buy on the first visit, and the second I assume he's just gathering more info after scoping similar local properties...  I expect his third visit he'll have his contractor perform an inspection but he's applied for his loan at this point, and is prepping an offer.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: JediJman on December 9, 2016, 01:04 PM
Yeah, but the real question is whether or not he and Lucille will sleep in the same bed.  I'm almost positive she's not one of his wives. 

I watched the last episode again last night while getting some work done - I love the scene with Fat Joe returning his bat.  "Did you treat her like a lady?"
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on December 11, 2016, 11:52 PM
Rosita and Carl are worthless assassins. They need Fassbender (so sick of those ads).

Nooo....the best character they've introduced in the past 2 and 1/2 seasons has died.

RIP Fat Joe.  :'(

Also, two Alexandrites that Rick hasn't managed to get killed yet. LOL.

Convoluted pool game in the middle of the street, yet...it was a good scene.

What really bugged me...Negan is a damned ballistics expert. "That's a home made bullet!" Even if I accept he knows that much,....why would he assume so much as to even look at the casing? More likely he'd think they had ammo stashed somewhere. The simplest answer would be think Rosita found a bullet or hid a bullet.

Who is the mystery guest spy.... COMIC FANS WILL RUIN SURPRISE...assuming said person was in comics.

They have like 2 guns now. They could've had more, but Rick and Aaron brought the boat guns back to the Saviors because they are eeeediots. Sure there were no ammo for them, but could've stashed them anyway.

At least they had the water scene to remind us there are still zombies on this show. And Spencer zombie...was right on cue.  ;)

Shocking Talking Dead revelation...Norman Reedus hates peanut butter! Also, there's a crazy woman with a huge show related tattoo on her thigh.

Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Dave on December 12, 2016, 01:03 AM
What really bugged me...Negan is a damned ballistics expert. "That's a home made bullet!" Even if I accept he knows that much,....why would he assume so much as to even look at the casing? More likely he'd think they had ammo stashed somewhere. The simplest answer would be think Rosita found a bullet or hid a bullet.

Yeah, this kind of bugs.  They find guns, medicine, and all sorts of crap all the time.  Like someone couldn't have found a reloader kit, some black powder, and melted some fishing sinkers for a bullet.  It doesn't need to mean that they've got some kind of professor capable of creating this all from scratch.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on December 12, 2016, 08:20 AM
Watching Spencer get publicly gutted was probably the high point of the season for me so far. I liked the other gal they shot though.

For whatever reason I assumed the spy was probably someone from Oceanside coming to check them out. Otherwise it will be kinda hard to bring them back into the mix unless that whole episode was just a big time-wasting red herring. (Which is entirely possible)

The whole Aaron/note thing seemed pretty thin to me.

What was up with the Kingdom dude's secret forest trailer? And the milk bottles for that matter? Was he making Molotov cocktails out there or something? That guy is a mess.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Chris M on December 12, 2016, 09:38 AM
I didn't have a problem with this episode.  I was glad to finally see them jump from place to place and allow me to see everyone, and not just focus on one group per episode.

It was also nice to see Rick regrow his cajones and start making a plan...even better when Daryl handed him his beloved Colt Python.  I've hung on all season, although very critically, in the hopes of seeing the group back together and forming a plan to rid themselves of Negan.

So it was all brought back together in a nice fashion.  I have no worthwhile complaints about that episode.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jedi Idej on December 12, 2016, 03:04 PM
Step aside milquetoast, Rick-Daddy's back...

Was the note found with the stash just referring to the lack of ammo? I was expecting something more ominous from the '...you lose' part.

Pretty cool seeing Spencer's demise. Loved his half-hearted attempt to put his guts back in.

Had a chuckle when Negan ranted about Carl sneaking into their compound and gunning down his men in Carl's mission to kill Negan, and then the camera cuts away to Carl somewhat peering over the railing. It reminded me of the guilty behavior little kids do after they've just been found out. Not that I'm saying it was intentional on the director's part.







Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BillCable on December 12, 2016, 03:18 PM
Was the note found with the stash just referring to the lack of ammo? I was expecting something more ominous from the '...you lose' part.

I took that more as a "the world is doomed" message than and specific reference to the supplies.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Dave on December 12, 2016, 06:07 PM
I was thinking they are booby trapped - triggered to explode, poisoned, etc.

Or maybe its just bait that the owner has placed and tracks the thieves back to their bases and then raids them.  So ultimately the raiders lose out because the owner is such a badass.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jedi Idej on December 13, 2016, 12:33 AM
I was expecting booby trap also.

Bill, I'm digging your angle.

Much like the title, the statement probably has dual meaning.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Rob on December 13, 2016, 12:21 PM
I also read the note as just a passing **** you to whoever comes along after the owners were dead more than an actual threat.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: JediJman on December 13, 2016, 05:34 PM
This was a great episode.  Mostly ripped straight from the comics, so I was very happy to see Spencer spill his guts.  Negan's take on it is spot on - what a cowardly politician.  The home-made bullet thing was a little weird, but I don't know enough about bullets and spent casings to know if someone could easily tell a factory-produced bullet from a home-made one.  I'm willing to accept that Negan has seen enough bullets fly that something unusual caught his eye when he picked up this slug.  If nothing else, I'm glad they resolved the lone bullet storyline before the break and at least Lucille was wounded.  I'm also thinking the "spy" was one of those Oceanside peeps.  Ties them into the story and it kind of makes sense with the boat and all.  They're not in the comic to the best of my knowledge.

The only part of the story that really bugged me was the Michonne storyline.  Seemed like the Savior she kidnapped had a lot of fight in her last week.  She has nothing to say, then just tells Michonne how to kill her and hide the car?  What?  If she wanted to protect her group, why not at least try to ram something with the car and get away.  If she wants to help someone take Negan down, then why not offer a way to help?  I didn't get her rationale or motivation at all, other than it was a convenient way for Michonne to know the path from Alexandria to the Saviors.

Great to see the gang all together again at the end (+Jesus).  They're going to have to rally everyone against Negan pretty quick though.  I can't see him sitting around long after finding Fat Joe dead and Daryl on the run.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Dave on December 14, 2016, 09:35 AM
The only part of the story that really bugged me was the Michonne storyline.  Seemed like the Savior she kidnapped had a lot of fight in her last week.  She has nothing to say, then just tells Michonne how to kill her and hide the car?  What?  If she wanted to protect her group, why not at least try to ram something with the car and get away.  If she wants to help someone take Negan down, then why not offer a way to help?  I didn't get her rationale or motivation at all, other than it was a convenient way for Michonne to know the path from Alexandria to the Saviors.

I'll be interested to see if this story line is dead or not.  I agree that if Michonne just killed her, then it was sort of dumb, other than to know its a big operation.  But if Michonne turned her and got an ally inside the camp, then obviously its relevant, but maybe there should have been better dialogue between Michonne and The Savior woman.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: JediJman on December 14, 2016, 12:48 PM
Don't they show the car from a distance followed by a muffled gunshot?  I don't see any way she's still alive and/or helping, or who else would have been shot. 
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Dave on December 14, 2016, 02:46 PM
Oh yeah.  I forgot about that. That was kind of dumb that we heard a silenced pistol, through closed windows, at a half mile out.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Chris M on February 20, 2017, 06:21 AM
Anybody back in on the second half of the season?

Last night was pretty decent, but it looks like this half of the season will be a total build up and the war might begin at the end of the season.


















Also, anybody think we might see an infection and a handless Rick soon?
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: GrandMoffNick on February 20, 2017, 06:47 AM
I'm still in. Always will be. These two episodes have been fine. But yeah I think we will see the build up to the war, maybe the start of it and then wait until season 7 for the actual war.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BillCable on February 20, 2017, 09:08 AM
Last night was pretty dreadful.  So we're 2 or 3 years out from the outbreak, and the trash people have forgotten how to speak proper English?  And have begun dressing like weirdos despite mountains of suitable clothing all around them?  And walk around like silent drones? 

Did the toxins in the dump cause widespread brain damage?

That was literally just about the stupidest segment I've seen in the series.

Sure, spike zombie was pretty awesome.  And there were some nice moments with Ezekiel and then between Daryl and Carol.  But pretty mush all of that good will got flushed by the mute trash cult.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Dave on February 20, 2017, 12:04 PM
My wife and I chuckled at the Trash People too - very Mad Max like while all the other groups are living fairly normal lives.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: GrandMoffNick on February 20, 2017, 12:13 PM
I couldn't decide if I thought the trash people were too over the top or if I buy anything can happen to people in this environment.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on February 20, 2017, 05:45 PM
Yeah, that was some over the top Beyond Thunderdome crap right there. We need a catchy name for those weirdos. Refuseniks? Children of the Junk?

I don't think I got about half of what she was saying either. Not sure how Rick would consider them trustworthy co-fighters. Let's give the bunch of culty nut bars lots of weapons and hope for the best!

"Winston" was awesome and looked like something straight out of LOTR.

Will Tara give up the beach people?

And what about Heath!?  :D
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on February 20, 2017, 09:52 PM
I'd comment but I don't post here anymore.  :-X However, know that IMDB has shut down their boards 4-ever...I guess I'll chime in.

The autistic junkions were odd and the shots of Rick in front of the vast CGI junkyard were so bad... :D

Is it me or are women with bangs like that always odd? Even the actress seems a tad strange.

Too lazy to get the boat stuff themselves, but not too lazy to demand food by threatening Father Gabriel? What?  ???

Winston...lose-ston. Why would anyone go that much trouble to outfit a walker?

Daryl and the tiger...IT'S AN ANIMAL THANG!

Morgan lost his wood.  :P

Most poignant scene: "My sister had a dress like that."  :'(

Previous episode. I can't understand the saviors wasting RPG rockets for a walker trap. No one's making any more anti-tank ammo, probably not even Eugene
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt_Fury on February 20, 2017, 10:16 PM
Last night was pretty dreadful.  So we're 2 or 3 years out from the outbreak, and the trash people have forgotten how to speak proper English?  And have begun dressing like weirdos despite mountains of suitable clothing all around them?  And walk around like silent drones? 

I just figured they were all the emo kids at Starbucks staring at their phones until they lost all wifi.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: JediJman on February 21, 2017, 09:48 AM
I did not understand the Scavengers group at all.  People living in trash piles was a neat concept, and that spike zombie trap was pretty cool, even if Rick was able to defeat it by throwing pillows on him.  But the weird talking and behavior was definitely over the top.  It was like they were a hive mind or something.  What was with that scene where they all walk out in different directions for a while then magically form a circle around Rick and company?  I thought they were going to bust into a flash mob performance.  Their policy of not interfering, but interfering was super confusing as well.  I hope there's a better explanation coming for these weirdos.  I may have to watch this week's episode again as I'm sure I missed a few things.  Nice to see Carol and Daryl reunite, but I didn't like him lying to her about everyone being okay.  I get it, but seems out of character for him.  They need all the fighters they can get - seems really odd to not recruit Carol back into the fold, though I don't really get her "retirement" either.  I will watch this show to the bitter end no matter what, but they need to do a better job of clarifying people's motivations going forward.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Dave on February 21, 2017, 10:19 AM
I haven't read the comics to know if the Trash People are part of the official story or not, but I just assumed from a TV perspective that they're cannon fodder for the coming war against The Saviors. 
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Qui-Gon Jim on February 21, 2017, 12:11 PM
My guess is that Neagan will get Carol and Darryl will be the one that ultimately takes out Neagan.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Rob on February 21, 2017, 12:13 PM
My guess is that Neagan will get Carol and Darryl will be the one that ultimately takes out Neagan.

Rick already told Neagan that he was going to kill him, so I'd be surprised if it wasn't Rick.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Diddly on February 21, 2017, 03:08 PM
I haven't seen an episode this half season and I'm not sure if I will. The show is quickly entering "binge watch" territory for me
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt_Fury on February 22, 2017, 12:01 AM
I haven't read the comics to know if the Trash People are part of the official story or not, but I just assumed from a TV perspective that they're cannon fodder for the coming war against The Saviors.

They are not a part of the comic nor are the well armed women at the beach.  I wonder how long until they come back i to play.

I wonder how they will bring Heath back...the actor is doing a great job on 24: Legacy.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: JediJman on February 22, 2017, 12:04 PM
While this group isn't in the comics, there is a group called the Scavengers that the show never covered.  In the comic, they're just small group driving around in a van.  They are one of the first to challenge Alexandria after Rick arrives, but Andrea (who is still alive and a sharp shooter in the comics) takes them down pretty easily.  The writing for the show often expands both the number of groups in the story and the number of people within each group.  The River Women, Scavengers, Wolves are all a departure from the comics, but the theme of banding together multiple communities to take on the Saviors is generally the same.  Will be interesting to see if there is some twist coming for this new group.  I would think between Alexandria, the Kingdom, and the Hilltop that they have enough bodies to do the job.  They just need to get their hands on some weapons now. 
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Chris M on February 27, 2017, 08:48 AM
Good lord this season is worse than sitting on the farm or talking about fighting the Governor.

Of the 11 episodes this season, I think about 3 1/2 are actually worth watching.  I still have to catch the last 5 minutes of last nights episode, but good lord we are into seeing Negan is a bad guy.  Eugene is scared and is plotting something.  That is about the most interesting thing going.

I hate the Oscars and decided to watch that last night instead of TWD.

Rant over, I'll bitch more later.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on February 27, 2017, 11:58 AM
LOL. I forgot Walking Dead was on and worse, I barely watched any of the Oscars, either. I even turned  it off before the big best picture screw up.

 I guess I'll catch it later.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Dave on February 27, 2017, 01:00 PM
I didn't mind last night's episode.  Sure maybe they could have had a little less Eugene and moved around to other groups, but this was a little bit of a "flashback episode" so the timelines weren't perfectly synced with what we've already seen.

I'm hopeful the time they spent on the Dwight and Eugene story lines are relevant as I felt like we learned quite a bit about both. 

I'd also like to know what the back story on Dwight and the Saviors' doctor is.  Seems to be a bit of bad blood...
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: GrandMoffNick on February 27, 2017, 01:03 PM
In a vacuum I liked the episode. I sort of wish they'd get going faster to the "Negan vs. everyone else" war, but I liked getting a little more Eugene personality.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BillCable on February 27, 2017, 02:09 PM
I actually liked last night's episode quite a bit.  Very nice character arc by Eugene.  I'm not sure how covering zombies in molten metal is supposed to keep them upright, but otherwise strong stuff.  Plus - Yars Revenge!!
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on February 27, 2017, 11:04 PM
How could Tasha Yar get her revenge, she died at Terminus?!  :P

Watched it. I thought it was a decent episode...for a "no lead characters" one. I guess Negan is sort of a lead character.

I was wondering if the wives weren't a test for Eugene.  At the end I'm still not sure they weren't.

Bet the doc wished he joined Doctors Without Burners.  :P

Did any walkers even die in the episode? Even the guts falling out one was still going.

Next time: amusement park fun!
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on March 1, 2017, 12:38 PM
I'd also like to know what the back story on Dwight and the Saviors' doctor is.  Seems to be a bit of bad blood...

I think they pretty much showed that by continually cutting to him breaking Dwights balls in his office all through the episode. Dude was being a super passive aggressive ahole. Dwight just sits there calmly not saying a word, and then serves it up to him at the end with that frame job.

Seems odd Negan would let Dwight go out on his own to look for his wife. And even odder that he bought that weak ass story without any proof. But then it seems pretty clear the writers are not really trying that hard anymore. People are going to watch no matter what so why go the extra mile?

I wonder if we will see the wife again or not...
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on March 1, 2017, 02:11 PM
Yeah, though Negan did let Dwight go after that one guy who ran and apparently Dwight knew him well. But then again, Negan didn't give a crap about that guy other than as an example of anyone trying to flee.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: JediJman on March 3, 2017, 07:00 PM
I think Negan feels pretty confident in his reach.  If you run, you better keep on running and not get caught or you'll be served up as an example for others that try to run.  I think most people would be afraid to set out on their own between the threat of being caught and limited resources or protection.  As someone who hunted down other runners, I figure that Negan figures Dwight is smart enough to come back.  There's also the threat of what happens if they come across his wife - if he's still with them he might have a chance to save her.

This was an okay episode for me.  I liked the spotlight on Eugene and Dwight, but I'm not a big fan of these one-off episodes with just a small part of the cast.  Looks like we're in for more of the same next with with Rick and Michonne.  I do think molten metal zombies, however ridiculous and impractical, sound pretty cool. 
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on March 6, 2017, 12:00 AM
MRE's and candle light...Romancing the Apocalypse.

Convoluted way for a walker to shoot a gun.

Tara's toddler confessions...soon to a regular feature. Next week "I've got a crush on Rosita."

I totally thought Rick had died! It was as likely as a deer hanging around zombies.

50 guns to these weirdos you barely know, Rick. Betting a lot. 

Don't expect to get your bloody junk cat back, Jadis!

Rosita and what's her name...gotta do something stupid because that's required to fill time before the season finale.

Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Dave on March 6, 2017, 12:34 PM
I thought last night's episode was pretty good.  Good to have some good old fashioned zombie killing action.

Glad to see they located a bunch of guns, but I've always thought the premise of guns being hard to find was kind of dumb.  There are 300 million guns in the US (not counting military equipment), and you would assume everyone that could arm themselves in a zombie apocalypse would and that military facilities would be quickly looted.  I would think that a lot of time when you killed a zombie or found a dead body you would find a gun on them or nearby.

To me it would be the ammo that would be in short supply and hard to find.  Re-loader kits should be fairly easy to come by, and finding used casings and casting lead bullets shouldn't be hard.  But I would think black powder would quickly become the rare commodity (as well as unused rounds) and thus a guy like Eugene that could create more gunpowder would be indispensable.

I always thought Negan's surprise that someone could crimp their own bullet was kind of dumb.  I'm not a hard core gun guy but I know several friends that have reloader kits and sometimes make their own bullets/shells.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Chris M on March 6, 2017, 05:27 PM
I thought last night's episode was pretty good.  Good to have some good old fashioned zombie killing action.

Glad to see they located a bunch of guns, but I've always thought the premise of guns being hard to find was kind of dumb.  There are 300 million guns in the US (not counting military equipment), and you would assume everyone that could arm themselves in a zombie apocalypse would and that military facilities would be quickly looted.  I would think that a lot of time when you killed a zombie or found a dead body you would find a gun on them or nearby.

To me it would be the ammo that would be in short supply and hard to find.  Re-loader kits should be fairly easy to come by, and finding used casings and casting lead bullets shouldn't be hard.  But I would think black powder would quickly become the rare commodity (as well as unused rounds) and thus a guy like Eugene that could create more gunpowder would be indispensable.

I always thought Negan's surprise that someone could crimp their own bullet was kind of dumb.  I'm not a hard core gun guy but I know several friends that have reloader kits and sometimes make their own bullets/shells.

I agree with all of that and have thought the same.

However, reloading is an exact science and takes practice to get it right. 
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on March 6, 2017, 05:32 PM
Was confused by the scene with the two Saviors whacking balls.  :D did Rick and Michonne kill them and take their stuff or just beat a hasty retreat they didn't bother to show us?

I guess if the Trash people double cross them Rick can just tell Negan about them and let the two of them duke it out. Arguing over the cat was funny.

Next week looks pretty good!
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on March 6, 2017, 06:38 PM
I guess they just stole some stuff from them, because Talking Dead didn't list them in the "Goodbye to those who died".

Seems nuts to tip their hand  by killing Saviors at this point...even though Michonne already has...and Carl...and Daryl...
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt_Fury on March 7, 2017, 12:27 AM
I really want to know what was gou g on at that amusement park...there were a bunch of civilian walkers with their hands duct taped together!
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Diddly on March 9, 2017, 12:44 PM
Meanwhile, ratings are down to their lowest levels since Season 2 (https://www.moviefone.com/2017/03/08/the-walking-dead-hits-lowest-ratings-since-season-2/)

Maybe, just MAYBE, fans are finally getting sick of these horrible filler episodes
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Rob on March 9, 2017, 02:54 PM
Meanwhile, ratings are down to their lowest levels since Season 2 (https://www.moviefone.com/2017/03/08/the-walking-dead-hits-lowest-ratings-since-season-2/)

Maybe, just MAYBE, fans are finally getting sick of these horrible filler episodes

To me I want to see them explore, or find themselves in some kind of NEW situation.  To me, Negan is just a more extreme version of the Governor, or the Terminus guys...  He's a hell of a character - but we've in a sense got two whole seasons invested in him.  That's all fine and dandy, but it's getting stale - especially when you kind of START the season at a crescendo.  I hope the finale is everything we've been patiently waiting for - and then I hope something actually new happens going forward.  I love this show, even when it's not great, but it's only going to last so long while the gang is just going from bad guy to badder guy.   
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on March 9, 2017, 03:00 PM
If they really want to jump start the ratings again, just ditch the comic already. Let the show chart its own course organically, instead of being enslaved to Kirkman's blueprint. They have to get off the bad guy/people of the week mentality. I agree that it is getting really old.

Would be way more interesting to see some kind of evolution of the virus or the walkers themselves. Or more about the mysterious black helicopter from Season One. Or anything other than just meeting other bad survivors.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on March 9, 2017, 10:10 PM
The Terminus people were actually interesting...  They were insane, and weird.  Negan really is just a more extreme version of the Governor and what the Governor would've maybe become over time had he not flipped his wig on his people and met up with Rick. 

I'm anxious for this war to start and see how that goes, but it's all just build-up now like (again) the Governor's whole deal, which happened twice to boot, so this is three times now down the same basic road.

At the same time the whole character growth thing is sort of important to see too and I liked watching Rick and Michonne's relationship grow and fall apart (in a sense) in one episode... 

Sasha and Rosita are fn stupid.  I'd actually like to find them under Lucille's anger at this point.  They should just somehow wind up FearTWD at this point they're so annoying.  Maybe Tara can drive them out West.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: JediJman on March 10, 2017, 10:05 AM
The show has already taken a pretty big departure from the comics.  Characters like Daryl and Sasha don't even exist in the comics, nor do the river people are the junk yard people.  Heck, Andrea is still a huge part of the comics.  I like the Negan storyline, but they should be doing more with it instead of these filler episodes.  It;s like they come up with what they want to be milestone episodes, then just fill in the space around them.  Post Negan, the comics skip a few years to find an older Rick/Carl and gang, so that will have to be a nother big departure from the show.  And if they bring along the next batch of challenges from the comics, I think people are going to be pretty happy with what comes next. 
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BillCable on March 10, 2017, 11:29 AM
I think one thing weighing it down at this point is that the survivors pretty much have the zombie thing under control.  Zombies don't pose the risk they once did.  Sure, there's accidents here and there... but even in a room full of zombies, you don't think any of the experienced zombie-killers are in any danger.  Like someone joked here - nobody watching the show thought Rick was dead (although I did believe Michonne thought he was dead, and there was a chance she'd get bitten while in shock... probably the most on-edge I've been all season).

When the main threat is no longer a threat, it's kinda lame.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on March 10, 2017, 10:34 PM
When its played for laughs now...macabre humor of Rick getting GI Zombie out from the windshield, you know the threat is done.

How about a new twist where they encounter walkers but the walker are robots. LOL. Fake zombies!
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on March 12, 2017, 11:15 PM
That's great it starts with an cantaloupe, Lennie James is not a dope...

Richard didn't know Morgan used to be a detective under a LOW WINTER SUN.

Carol's premonitions make her seek the truth! I guess.

Hey, Morgan want some earrings to go with that choker?
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BillCable on March 13, 2017, 09:12 AM
Richard to Morgan:  "This is it, Morgan. You have to kill!"

(https://sobadass.files.wordpress.com/2015/02/img_0354.jpg)
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on March 13, 2017, 10:14 PM
Lot of rigamarole ultimately signifying nothing, except they found a way to stop paying two more actors, lol.

If the guy really wanted to start something, why not just pull a gun and shoot one of the Saviors when they showed up for the drop? I guess that wouldn't take a whole episode to develop though.

At least Morgan got his wood back.  :D
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt_Fury on March 13, 2017, 10:29 PM

If the guy really wanted to start something, why not just pull a gun and shoot one of the Saviors when they showed up for the drop? I guess that wouldn't take a whole episode to develop though.


He needed to be the victim in order for Ezekiel to authorize going to war with the saviors.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: GrandMoffNick on March 13, 2017, 10:31 PM
I believe the idea is to make The Kingdom want to join the other groups wage war against The Saviors and catch The Saviors off guard so killing a Savior at the drop would be a terrible idea
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: evenflow on March 14, 2017, 11:10 AM
I am so bored with the show. I don't even watch it on Sunday anymore. I DVR it and watch it when i get the chance during the week. I am unsure what they could do to get my excitement back though. I dislike the character specific episodes without a doubt.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on March 15, 2017, 08:09 PM
I believe the idea is to make The Kingdom want to join the other groups wage war against The Saviors and catch The Saviors off guard so killing a Savior at the drop would be a terrible idea

Ultimately it would accomplish the same thing though. He shoots some of them, they shoot him, it all goes bad right there. At least that way he has some kind of control instead of sitting around watching them shoot the kid and hoping he doesn't bleed out.

Morgan kind of spoiled the whole catching them off guard thing anyway when he blabbed about how the guy wanted to start something between the 2 groups. plus that whole brutal scene strangling a dude to death doesn't exactly shout "peaceful and pacified", lol.

At any rate, glad we got old Carol back.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: GrandMoffNick on March 15, 2017, 08:16 PM
I thought Morgan's plan was perfect. One guy wanted to start something with the saviors but not only did the kingdom not want to, but they killed the guy and told the saviors. That's how much they know the saviors are in charge.

Meanwhile the kingdom and the other groups are planning the exact opposite and plan to go to war with the saviors
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on March 15, 2017, 10:57 PM
Yeah I'm with you on this Nick, I think Morgan's plan (I guess it's a plan) is just that...  The saviors are going to not see him coming right now, but given the pimp stick sharpening at the end I'm guessing Morgan isn't going to pull the passive-resistance card on this one.  Things are set...  Tara leads them to or gets them involved with the river/beach babes.  Rick gets the Oscar's to help for muscle.  Rick gets Alexandria prepped.  Carol gets Ezekial and the Kingdom ready.  Maggie gets Hilltop in line as best she can.  Sasha and Rosita die because they're stupid.  Eugene Eugenes.

Things are falling into order here.

I'm ok with TWD this season.  It's not been one gratuitous Rick-shame episode after the next, which I thought it may turn into that.

Zombies aren't a super threat now but still it's the environment and zombies are just part of it...  a storm, the flu, whatever.  Lots of crummy things can happen, and zombies are just an ever-present issue.  I'm sure warring will stir them up too.  It's not like you can do that quietly and stuff.  So they're still in play.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on March 16, 2017, 12:45 AM
Rick convinces the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences to pitch in? SPOILERS, MAN!

Eugene's Eugenics save mankind. That's how the series ends.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on March 16, 2017, 01:01 AM
(http://pics.customizedchecks.net/oscar-the-grouch-1.jpg)

Oscar man, Oscar! 

I thought it was funny.   ::)
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BillCable on March 16, 2017, 07:43 AM
And this'll all happen in 3 episodes?  Or will the finale end with the cliffhanger of the rebel alliance overlooking the Saviors' base, ready to yell "CHARGE"?
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: GrandMoffNick on March 16, 2017, 11:51 AM
And this'll all happen in 3 episodes?  Or will the finale end with the cliffhanger of the rebel alliance overlooking the Saviors' base, ready to yell "CHARGE"?

Sadly I think the cliffhanger.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on March 16, 2017, 12:02 PM
And the premiere will be the aftermath of the battle. We'll never see the whole thing.

Oscar man, Oscar! 

I thought it was funny.   ::)

Don't be a grouch!  :D I got it but I'd already written my post.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on March 16, 2017, 01:23 PM
Cliffhanger because it's tv.  It'll maybe have the start of something but no satisfying moment unless you count Sasha and/or Rosita getting offed.  I do believe we'll see one or both dead before season end.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: JediJman on March 16, 2017, 05:19 PM
Haven't decided if I liked this last episode or not.  I thought the Richard plan was a little too predictible and not at all well thought out.  If his plan had worked, how would the survivors have known to bury him at his little "Bury Me Here" sign?  Did he have a note explaining it or tell someone else about his plan?  The scene with Benjamin getting shot was pretty convenient as well.  Carl gets shot in the eye socket and survives, but Ben takes a bullet to the leg and everyone conveniently starts thinking he is going to bleed out.  They chopped off Hershel's whole leg and he was fine...just too convenient.  I also wasn't happy that it was Ben - he was developing into kind of a cool character.  They could have made the exact same story killing off almost anyone else in the drop off group instead.  I also didn't like how Morgan was the only one questioning what went wrong with the drop.  If Zeke counted them himself, you'd think he'd be going nuts trying to figure out what happened. 

I do think Richard had to do something other than just show up and shoot a Savior.  Beyond the covered points of that making the Saviors suspicious, it could have easily been a shootout that killed Zeke and the others, leaving the Kingdom in total disarray.  He was clearly decided on becoming a martyr and understood the big picture, so I guess I just wish he had made his stand by deciding to go fight with Rick.  Getting Ben killed was a real Dick move (see what I did there?).

Morgan losing it was necessary to getting him and Carol back into the fight I suppose, but seemed really out of character for him to bash Richard's head in.  I suppose it stopped Richard from doing something else stupid and got them on the right path like people have said.  But if it was his intent to get the Kingdom in position for a surprise attack, then why not go talk to Zeke about joining up with Rick?  It sure felt like he was marching off to attack the Saviors on his own.  I did really like that he referred to Ben as his son Dwayne at first...that actually pulled at a few heart strings for a change. 

Complaints aside, I'm still really loving this show.  Too bad they won't be wrapping up the counter attack by the end of the season though. 
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on March 16, 2017, 06:26 PM
On the gunshot thing, Carl's eye aside, the leg thing's a very real likelihood.  It's a common combat wound that risk of bleeding out in minutes is a major concern.  If they saw blood pumping out they knew the issue was real.  It lines up with them needing to get him to Carol's which was apparently closer than the Kingdom.  The Femoral Artery makes a thigh wound a major threat.

Things like shoulder wounds, etc. also run major risks of bleeding out too though because of all the larger blood vessels and stuff, so movies/TV are almost always off on that kinda stuff, but that Benjamin moment was surprisingly realistic for a TV show.

I believe Kat dies in All Quiet on the Western Front from the same basic wound. 

Carl's eye, how he hasn't gotten infection yet is beyond me.

On Herschel's leg though, actually a relatively "clean" amputation causes a muscular seizing that limits or can limit blood loss, or so I've read, and thus you can get the wound stitched up if you're fairly fast with it, and stuff.  I have a friend who works in prosthetics who has interesting perspectives on TWD and the whole lopping off limb things haha.

I liked the throwback to Dwayne, a lot.  I feel like the build-up of Benjamin was almost a necessity to pushing Morgan over...  Sucked to lose him though, I agree.  He could've been a very cool character going forward.  I guess sucking losing him was part of the point though.  I'd have liked to have seen his character get built up some more though and become more long-term.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Rob on March 16, 2017, 06:39 PM
On the gunshot thing, Carl's eye aside, the leg thing's a very real likelihood.  It's a common combat wound that risk of bleeding out in minutes is a major concern.  If they saw blood pumping out they knew the issue was real.  It

That's how Sean Taylor died... there's an artery in there and you can bleed out incredibly quickly if you're shot in the right (wrong) place in your leg.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on March 16, 2017, 07:20 PM
Yeah the femoral artery.  It's very large, and supplies all the blood to your legs and that's a lotta blood.  But like movies show a guy hit in the shoulder and he shrugs it off and stuff?  Very unlikely too.  Bullets fragment, and there's also a TON of large blood vessels in the shoulder, not to mention the complexity of the shoulder muscles, etc.  Totally bull**** when that stuff happens in films because often times your shoulder's destroyed from it, and bleeding out is a very real threat again.

The femoral is a real issue in combat because while bullets are a threat, obviously, shrapnel is even moreso, and often it comes from lower levels and thus your legs or lower body are more likely to take that.  IEDs, mines, grenades, all tend to be a danger from the lower-angle. 

The only "good" place to get shot I ever heard of was in the butt, or more particular, the gluts, which is a common combat wound as well.  If it hits to your front though, you're again very much in danger of bleeding out because of all the blood flow in the genital region.

I think the moral of the story is not to get shot (or otherwise). :)  Carl's I'm taking as just the typical tv/film bs but his wound is soooooo...  unhealed, haha.  I just don't see that working but head wounds are their own whole ball of wax.  I do recall Gimple or one of them trying to explain it as a glance and not something that penetrated the skull or brain really, more just damaged the eye socket.  Eye socket damage is its own whole mess but man, I dunno.  That just doesn't seem likely to work.

I found the amputation thing interesting...  My buddy said it's amazing how that is a more survivable wound sometimes.  Go figure.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BillCable on March 20, 2017, 08:36 AM
Whole lotta nothing going on last night.  It's sad when I'm reaching for my phone to check stuff during the program rather than during the commercials.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: GrandMoffNick on March 20, 2017, 08:50 AM
The Sasha/Rosita stuff is doing nothing for me.

I'm not sure I'd say developing Maggie's new role is "nothing"

That being said, once again, this didn't need to be it's own episode so we can drag out the start of the war.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Dave on March 20, 2017, 10:28 AM
Yeah, I don't get the Sasha / Rosita thing either.  Boring episode, and with the crew gearing up for war, I don't really understand them being overcome with the need to strike early.  They can't wait a couple more weeks to take part in the killing of Negan that they've got to recklessly strike out on their own?
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BrentS on March 20, 2017, 10:29 AM
It's sad when I'm reaching for my phone to check stuff during the program rather than during the commercials.

I was thinking the same thing.  Sometimes I have to force myself to put my phone down.

I still enjoy the show but I don't feel the same supsense that I used to feel.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on March 20, 2017, 02:45 PM
When Negan said they had 2 doctors, he meant the one at Hilltop. What a schmuck. And they were brothers? Felt like an unconvincing connection.

Daryl was kill that guy and get everyone in trouble. Hasn't learned a thing, has he?

Xander Berkeley, why you such a  jerkely? I guess. He hasn't turned any of Rick's fools in yet, of course he's ignorant of Daryl's fugitive status.

Jesus had bullets and hid them in book. What other miracles hath he performed?

Eugene, again, a better heel than hero.

Yeah, it was a very mediocre episode. The zombie kills were so meh...but Into the Badlands...wow, red head woman be slicing and dicing. Too bad the series was off the air for over a year and I can barely remember what happened.

Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: JediJman on March 22, 2017, 12:33 PM
My interpretation of the Sasha/Rosita thing is that Rosita has a death wish.  She's planning not to make it out, already settled on trading her life for Negan's.  Sasha sees it and knows Rosita is going to go after him either way, so she goes along to try to get it done without Rosita getting killed.  The first tries the sharpshooter angle, then locks Rosita out to get the deed done herself.  It's a weird course for all of them and they should just be patient, but I think between the grief and wanting to be the one who pulls the trigger, it kinda makes sense.  Not loving that part of the story, but for those that read the comics I think this is being set up to use Sasha in place of Holly, which will be cool to see.  I'm hoping the build up in the next few shows is worth the wait.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on March 22, 2017, 08:31 PM
I feel certain they did the Holly thing at one point already on the show. Maybe it was the Governor? I can't for the life of me remember but I know that bag over the head motif has showed up before.

I agree that's what it seems like they are setting her up for though.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: JediJman on March 24, 2017, 12:01 PM
I don't think so - maybe I'm not remember something from the early seasons though.  There was a Holly character at Alexandria, but she died in the Wolves attack. 
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on March 27, 2017, 06:36 PM
Walking Dead Season 7 Episode 15 Oceanside's Eleven

Okay, that wasn't the name of it.

Tara, you...terrible person.

Meh, not much happened besides Oceanside theft by the Rick Rollers.

Just die already, Sasha. DIIIIIIIIIIIE.

Just get eaten already, Gregory. NOM-NOM.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on March 28, 2017, 08:07 AM
Who is Negans "little bird"??
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Dave on March 28, 2017, 10:51 AM
Who is Negans "little bird"??

I'm stumped on that one too.  Not sure if they've got a spy in Hilltop, The Kingdom, or Alexandria.  There don't appear to be any obvious choices other than maybe the leader of Hilltop, but he doesn't appear to have communicated anything directly yet.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BillCable on March 28, 2017, 11:08 AM
There's a theory out that Negan was bluffing, claiming to know something so Sasha might confirm it.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on March 28, 2017, 11:42 AM
It's an actual bird. Negan can communicate with animals.

An MH-6 Little Bird helicopter?

Rick gathers everyone and Negan's copter annihilates them.


Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Dave on March 28, 2017, 11:46 AM
I'll be interested to see what Dwight's role will be.  I haven't read the comics (and please don't tell me what happens with him in the comics if its relevant), but they've spent a fair amount of time developing his character this season.  It would be great if he joins the Alexandria/Hilltop crew and helps take down The Saviors.  Him and Darryl (and Jesus) could be an awesome bromance scavenging crew.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: GrandMoffNick on March 28, 2017, 12:21 PM
I'll be interested to see what Dwight's role will be.  I haven't read the comics (and please don't tell me what happens with him in the comics if its relevant), but they've spent a fair amount of time developing his character this season.  It would be great if he joins the Alexandria/Hilltop crew and helps take down The Saviors.  Him and Darryl (and Jesus) could be an awesome bromance scavenging crew.

 :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X keeping mouth shut
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: JediJman on March 28, 2017, 02:46 PM
Ditto. 

Interested in what/who the reference to the spy was though.  That is not in the comics that I recall.  Could be that he just has someone covertly watching Rick and company though.  It's kind of silly to think that he set up all these spread out defenses and outposts, but trusts Alexandria and other communities to just do what they want unseen between visits.  I would not be surprised to find that he has a few people just keeping tabs on comings and goings.  Of course, a turncoat in the group is a far more interesting plot line.  I hope its not Jerry!

PS - I love love love that Eugene brought Sasha pills instead of a weapon, which I'm sure she wanted to use on him to get out of there.  That was solid writing for a change.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on March 29, 2017, 12:18 AM
Got a theory on the lil bird and she's everywhere in a way.  :-X
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on April 2, 2017, 08:26 PM
Forty minutes and counting...this may be the least pumped up I've been for a finale though. After last year I'm already prepared for the inevitable cliffhanger just when things are getting good. Figure Sasha is a goner, and probably at least a few of the sub-mains like Aaron's BF or the dopey guy who liked Carol. I'm just hoping they take out at least one or two of the main Saviors along the way, preferably GTA guy or that ahole who is always giving Ezekiel a hard time.

And for God's sake, don't leave us hanging on Heath?!?  :D
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on April 3, 2017, 12:55 AM
Spoilers

Heath's bloody road remains a mystery, but Scott Gimple says the first 3 episodes of season 8 will be about his adventures.  :D

Those junkyard jerks... >:( Not sure who mad at more, them or Rick for trusting AND arming them. Maybe if Rick hadn't taken that damned cat.

Sasha's fate was sort of handled well, but a tad lacking because she only killed a minor savior.

The tiger knows who to eat or who not to eat...like why did it attack Negan or Jaundice or whatever her name is. Ezekiel peeps be stealthy, too.

All that and the baddie leadership gets away unscathed and main good guys are wounded, but call it a "victory" anyway just because the cavalry arrived in time. The one surprise was that Michonne didn't recover and snipe somebody who was about to kill someone.

THE ORK LEADER SAYS "WE GOING TO WAGHHHH!"

Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BillCable on April 3, 2017, 11:03 AM
It was a pretty decent finale.  I think they drew out the Sasha thing a bit much, given that everyone knew exactly what was going to happen way before the reveal.  It was nice to see Abraham, though.

My one nitpick - so trash lady has Rick covered with her pistol.  Shots start ringing out.  And yet she decides to just stand there upright, on an exposed platform, for several minutes, and doesn't pull the trigger??  Even if she was under orders to bring Rick in alive, that's some ridiculous self-control.  That's me... the first pop I hear and I'm unloading the magazine with zero prejudice.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on April 3, 2017, 01:25 PM
 Yeah, chick is nuts. And what deal did they make with Negan? 12...no, 10. 10. Negan says "people are a resource". Junkyard people into slavery? Or what?

They need to stop teasing Rick losing hand(s)....or Carl or Carl's hands.

Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Dave on April 4, 2017, 10:07 AM
They need to stop teasing Rick losing hand(s)....or Carl or Carl's hands.

Does Rick lose a hand in the comics?

Probably too much trouble to go through each episode for makeup and CGI.  A lot easier just to throw on an eye patch for Carl.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BillCable on April 4, 2017, 10:35 AM
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Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: GrandMoffNick on April 4, 2017, 11:09 AM
A long time ago in the story too. That's the Governor.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BillCable on April 4, 2017, 11:17 AM
And the showrunners have explained that it'd be too costly to CGI out his hand going forward.  I don't expect it'll ever happen.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt_Fury on April 4, 2017, 11:21 PM
In the comics now, he has a prosthetic hook....shouldn't be too hard to do in the show.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on April 5, 2017, 01:24 AM
I'm kinda happier with a 2-handed Rick, at least in the show, for some reason.  But yeah that's eons ago in the comics.

The episode was good, I enjoyed it, but man I was so happy about Sasha finally.  Kinda tired of her at this point.  And they definitely overplayed her whole thing in this finale, but I guess it makes some sense given what they were doing with her.  A nice send-off but other characters I cared about a ton more, and they got a lot less of a send-off.

The trash people are dumb, and I agree, that whole thing was kind of stupid with her standing there not firing, Rick just chilling with her...  So odd, but I'd say bringing him in alive was a prerequisite.  But from the moment Rick gave them weapons and was making deals with these people who'd proven themselves to be kind of unpredictable, and they're goofy as hell...  Rick is the all time apocalyptic king of ****** decisions.

Love Negan, but he really has a single act, not much diversity there, and that's....  odd.   :-\  I mean driving away and he's just "lost" and almost died several times, AND he's having quite a few ounces of lead sent his way....  and he flips the bird?  Really?  I've been in some hairy traffic in my day, and even then getting the bird out in prompt and timely fashion is not always easy.  I've never been in a shootout, nor driving away from one still taking place with me as a target, but I'd think flipping the bird is on the low priority list.  It was funny, and Negan has a certain sense of humor I enjoy, and that made me laugh, but Negan's allowed to have more moods I think.

Anyway, I liked it.  It at least got intense, and fun.  Eugene seems to have at least raised some awareness within Negan.  Poor goober.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BillCable on April 5, 2017, 07:43 AM
In the comics now, he has a prosthetic hook....shouldn't be too hard to do in the show.

They wouldn't go CGI, so it'd have to look all goofy and huge like Merle's.  Unless they opt for a gold hand like they do for Jaime in GoT.

And honestly, there's really zero benefit to doing it.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Qui-Gon Jim on April 5, 2017, 09:58 AM
And the showrunners have explained that it'd be too costly to CGI out his hand going forward.  I don't expect it'll ever happen.

Yup.  They can't go the Luke Skywalker/Agent Coulson route of wearing a glove over a robotic prosthesis here; it would look crappy like Merle's prosthesis did.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: JediJman on April 5, 2017, 06:25 PM
I waited until today to watch the finale.  Overall I'd give it a 7 out of 10.  They brought everyone back together, which was good, and the general shootout was fun.  Negan is always fun to watch.  His comments are hilarious, like his list of demands ending with the pool table.  Too bad Dwight didn't find a way to help out - it seemed weird that they had the bit about him turning on Negan, but then he didn't actually do anything about it.  I guess they're saving that for next season.  I liked Daryl with that rapid fire camo gun, but wow did he peel off a lot of rounds for a group with limited ammo.  Glad Sasha found a way to make her death positive.  That was a nice twist from the comics, where Negan releases a seemingly captive Holly with a bag over her head.  The Alexandrians remove the bag and they're the ones surprised to find a zombie. 

I thought the junkyarders turning coat, Sasha's death, all the narrow escapes across main characters was pretty predictable.  It kind of felt like lazy directing to me.  They could have had Negan flip the bird with people shooting behind the truck instead of the side - no idiot would stick their hand out with people shooting right there.  And Zeke could have attacked from another angle where he released the Tiger on a group of Saviors.  Another cool idea, but the Tiger knowing when and who to attack was a little goofy.  I thought they overplayed the fight with Michonne and under-played the return of Carol and Morgan.  You'd think someone would throw out a "holy ****!  It's Carol and Morgan here to save us after all this time!"  Some of the fighting scenes were poorly filmed/edited in my opinion as well.  A bunch of people had guns on our heroes, and they almost all were taken by surprise and defeated?  Most of them probably couldn't even see what was going on out there with Sasha.  This was a missed opportunity to at least gut a few of the C-List good guys to make it a little more meaningful.  I absolutely could have gone without the Sasha goodbye/dream sequences.  Ugh.

So the real war will be next season, and I'm hoping they get on it right away instead of drawing it out all year like this season.  Will be interesting to see what becomes of Eugene and Dwight.  I hope we never see the junkyard people again - I could have done without all their whole weird speech thing.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt_Fury on April 6, 2017, 11:25 PM
Scott Gimple said that all out war would be a time to have cast members from Fear the Walking Dead show up on the main show.  Frankly, I'm surprised any of those idiots are still alive in their show!
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on April 6, 2017, 11:40 PM
Second that...  I can't see them crossing the country before the apocalypse without getting themselves killed somehow.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Rob on April 6, 2017, 11:47 PM
Second that...  I can't see them crossing the country before the apocalypse without getting themselves killed somehow.

Especially when Rick and co. don't seem to have made it 100 miles in all this time.  If Neagan is so awful why not just head west?
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on April 6, 2017, 11:58 PM
With the "why not head west" thing I think that's what some people did (the chicks by the Ocean, they seem to have wandered out of his sphere of influence). 

I think, just based on the small segment we've seen, you can't go anywhere very far without finding someone who wants your ****, or to just eat you (including the living).

I mean there's very low population areas where you could hunt, farm, and (theoretically) have less zombie-centric issues...  But other people will think to go to those places I'm sure.  It's like going to an island.  Others may think of going to some of the islands that dot the east coast or whatever.  You may not be quite so safe.  Others will fortify towns.  Others will degenerate into dictatorial mindsets, and psychopathy...  I still don't believe a guy like Negan would've lasted this long though and just suddenly some of those under him are like, "I like the cut of that Rick Guy's jib...  he gets things done, so I'm going to have him help me overthrow Negan!", and stuff.  IE: Dwight.

I think people would have killed anyone who acts like he does, fairly quickly.  I mean in a more ancient time yeah some big strong guy is in charge and that's that.  But in a world with guns, no.  Guns are a great equalizer to a guy with a bat.  Hell, he was simply LUCKY with Rosita's gunshot.  And holding his hand out a window as he flees a gun battle as the main target of interest.  ::)

I still enjoy Negan but he strains my believability meter on this more than even the zombies.  :D  Someone would've shot him and shoved Lucille up his butt by now.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: JediJman on April 7, 2017, 08:55 AM
I think its the exact opposite.  When you're in a crisis situation, there are a select few who can stand up and take charge.  But the vast majority of people panic, shut down, and wait for someone to come save them.  I think they've done a really good job of showing how Negan selects people that he thinks are very valuable, then gives them the good life to keep them loyal.  If you have a nice little savior apartment with working ipods and a menu of food to eat, you can probably stomach a lot of the other crap that goes on.  Remember the alternative is zombie duty and escape means zero shelter or resources on the road with zombies and other groups popping up to kill you at all times of the day.  That is assuming Negan doesn't send someone to hunt you down first.

As for Dwight, he seems to get bullied up and abused by Negan a lot more than the other guys.  I think he was willing to do just about anything because he loved his wife and wanted to keep her alive. Negan knew that and made Dwight his plaything, but should be smart enough to realize that relationship has changed.  With Dwight's wife gone, he's got nothing left to lose, so why not betray Negan and help Rick take him down?  It's not about the cut of his jib, it's about revenge.  Yeah, he could probably just pull a gun and kill Negan at some point too, but then some other prick would just take his spot.  I think he wants the whole system taken down, especially seeing how Rick's group works together.  Plus he's clearly in love with Daryl.

There's another interesting thing to note about Negan: misguided and cruel as he is, there is a level of restraint and efficiency to how he brings people in line.  Yeah, he kills people pretty brutally from time to time, but it always relates to keeping the rest of the group in line. He had Alexandria in a position to kill them all, but he didn't.  He's given Rick half a dozen chances and only with this last speech of defiance did Negan decide to finally end Rick and Carl.  Not saying he's a good guy by any means, but there might be something more there than just being a sadistic jerk dictator. 
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt_Fury on April 8, 2017, 07:41 PM
Second that...  I can't see them crossing the country before the apocalypse without getting themselves killed somehow.

It could work just knowing the timelines of both shows.  Rick & Company are roughly two years into the apocalypse whereas in Fear, it's only been a few weeks.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: JediJman on April 10, 2017, 09:06 AM
Are they only a few weeks in?  It has to be more than that from the quarantine to the goofy boat trips down to the Mexican compound then the shelter with Nick and company.  Definitely still early, but I'd have thought they were at least a few months into it by now.   
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Chris M on April 10, 2017, 01:31 PM
The FTWD wiki has the timeline set to about day 36.  I'm not sure how accurate that is.  The quarantine looks to have been around 2 weeks.  Either way, I don't see how FTWD could make it to Virginia.  Those idiots won't use violence and are complete freaking morons.  I'm not attached to any of those characters and wouldn't mind any of them becoming walker snacks.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: P-Siddy on April 10, 2017, 03:21 PM
I'm not attached to any of those characters and wouldn't mind any of them becoming walker snacks.

Perhaps that's how they get there?  There'd be no way that group would make it to Rick's as a whole crossing the country, otherwise the Midwest is doing all right or all dead and no longer walking.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: JediJman on April 10, 2017, 05:40 PM
Do you guys even watch the show?  You just smear a little walker blood on you and walk freely wherever you want.  And if you have to travel far, there are always rich guys with boats or helicopters or whatever you need because that's just how it is in California baby!

They'll come across Flight 462 from the shorts, which landed safely on a highway overpass.  They take off again and do a water landing in the East Coast ocean as the fuel dries up, then the oceanside people will reluctantly rescue them and everyone will join Rick's crusade on the Saviors.  Negan will make Alycia one of his wives, but she'll talk him to death and they'll move on to the next baddie(s). 
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: P-Siddy on April 10, 2017, 07:09 PM
Do you guys even watch the show?

Alright.  I admit it.  I don't watch the show but I read the recaps and the comments here.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on May 6, 2017, 11:46 PM
They've never been near a fast food restaurant.  That's really weird.  I can't go 50 feet without seeing one.

Anyway, carry on.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Dave on May 8, 2017, 11:52 AM
My favorite is that they're always driving around on heavily wooded rural roads, and there is never a tree, branch, or even stick in the road they've got to stop and move out of the way.  And as they're wandering around the grass in yards and city areas is always relatively short instead of the the two foot long grass it should be.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: JediJman on May 8, 2017, 12:11 PM
I like how there are reanimated corpses constantly trying to eat living people.  That's totally unrealistic.   ;)
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on May 9, 2017, 02:12 AM
My favorite is that they're always driving around on heavily wooded rural roads, and there is never a tree, branch, or even stick in the road they've got to stop and move out of the way.  And as they're wandering around the grass in yards and city areas is always relatively short instead of the the two foot long grass it should be.

Yeah the grass in yards is always kinda funny.  I went 2 weeks here without cutting it because it kept raining when I had time...  My grass was higher than any yard on TWD I think I've ever seen.  Zombies must mow lawns when they've got down time.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: JediJman on May 9, 2017, 05:39 PM
Clearly you haven't figured out that grass is also infected by the zombie virus.  Like zombies, any further development is stunted, so it just stays the same and goes on forever.  Duh.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on May 9, 2017, 07:39 PM
Hah that's funny.  Wish I could infect the yard tho.  :-\
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Qui-Gon Jim on October 23, 2017, 01:44 PM
Dammit.  Who trained Rick's people, the Empire?
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Rob on October 23, 2017, 01:50 PM
Am I the only one who's kind of over the Negan thing?

I'm just kind of waiting for them to kill him so we can move onto something and someplace new.

Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BillCable on October 23, 2017, 01:52 PM
Can't decide if they didn't show Neagan's people in the base because of budget concerns, or because they all evacuated to another location anticipating the attack...

For such a highly-promoted episode, it didn't seem like anything of import occurred.  Rah-rah speeches, hallucinations or flash-forwards, and some explosions that didn't really serve much purpose.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Rob on October 23, 2017, 01:56 PM
Can't decide if they didn't show Neagan's people in the base because of budget concerns, or because they all evacuated to another location anticipating the attack...

For such a highly-promoted episode, it didn't seem like anything of import occurred.  Rah-rah speeches, hallucinations or flash-forwards, and some explosions that didn't really serve much purpose.

Given how much of this season seems to be all Negan again, my assumption is that it's because they weren't there.
 
Although, when Gregory's little gambit didn't work, Negan did seem genuinely surprised and mad... so maybe that was his big play?
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on October 23, 2017, 02:57 PM
Was the point of the operation to waste as much ammo and explosives as possible? If so, mission accomplished!  ::)

I kept thinking "Why are they mad at the windows??"

Rick's speeches are getting tiresome.

Feeding random stray dudes seems like a dumbass "old Carl" move. But apparently they need a contrived reason to set him on a path away from Rick.

Father Gabriel has become one of the more interesting characters, hope he is not about to be offed.

Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on October 23, 2017, 07:34 PM
Negan: "Rick, I hope to hell you're happy, because there are people covered with glass in here!"

Rick's plan didn't get anyone killed? What happened? Oh, there's more to the plan...

Rick's speeches probably even make Ezekiel think "he's such a ham."

Rosita was frawnt pawrch sittin' cuz the actress was preggers. Tara still seems well fed for the apocalypse.

Cut the hair, Coral!

Lot of survivor activity in this region for that random guy to not have seen anyone for awhile.

Savior: "Hey, Rick, yeah, you just stabbed me...I saw you begging like a little baby girl before, Rick...LOL....and hey, don't cut that zombie loose to eat me....arrrrgh!"

Everyone was on Talking Dead and each one got to speak for maybe 30 seconds.



Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Chris M on October 23, 2017, 09:12 PM
Dumb decision...again...when Negan came out the door, why didn't they just pump his ass full of lead?  I mean, somebody should have had their weapon trained on that door to smoke him when he came out.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on October 23, 2017, 11:51 PM
Dumb decision...again...when Negan came out the door, why didn't they just pump his ass full of lead?  I mean, somebody should have had their weapon trained on that door to smoke him when he came out.

Odd after Rick's "Only one person has to die!" monologue.  I guess it wasn't Negan, must be that one sentry he took out. That was the guy.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on October 24, 2017, 12:58 AM
I think even if he'd made the smart choice and tried to shoot Negan outright, the physics of the TWD universe would've dictated no hits because he had a LONG time to make that choice and never did till he decided counting down from 10 was too long.  He technically did shoot at him with Negan just standing there, and totally missed.  I think God was just on Negan's side on that one or something.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Dave on October 24, 2017, 12:04 PM
Awful episode.  Agree with all the points.  Why didn't they just shoot Negan when he stepped out the door?  And was their grand plan to unleash a horde of zombies and expect that those zombies were going to kill all the Saviors?  Zombies have ceased to be much of a threat.  When was the last time a zombie killed a real character.

They need to move on from Negan, and potentially move on from Alexandria.  The show is getting stale.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: GrandMoffNick on October 24, 2017, 12:24 PM
I love Negan in the comics and think Jeffrey Dean Morgan is playing him well but agree I'm ready for the Saviors vs. Rick and company to be over.

Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on October 24, 2017, 02:18 PM
Yet, it just began. :)
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on October 29, 2017, 11:50 PM
Who's surprised that Gabriel and Negan weren't in the second episode? Probably no one.

Rick did manage a plan to get more Alexandrites killed. I'm relieved, I was beginning to lose faith in him.

Jesus saves...his enemies. Tara questions Jesus...blasphemy!!

Mara got killed...she was the savior leading the people who were sitting out in the open for some reason.  CHOMP.

CGI Tiger is back. SHEBA'S GRRRREAT!

Hey it's that guy we...forgot about from season 1. There was no one else to bring back. He was the only one who didn't die after crossing paths with Rick, but they'll remedy that soon. What are the odd they'd meet again...good, cuz it's a like a tv show. Even Morgan suspects he's on a tv show, and know he can't die and goes on a  RAMPAGE.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: GrandMoffNick on October 30, 2017, 01:19 AM
Boring
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Dave on October 30, 2017, 09:34 AM
Hey it's that guy we...forgot about from season 1. There was no one else to bring back. He was the only one who didn't die after crossing paths with Rick, but they'll remedy that soon. What are the odd they'd meet again...good, cuz it's a like a tv show. Even Morgan suspects he's on a tv show, and know he can't die and goes on a  RAMPAGE.

I don't really understand this.  Atlanta and Alexandria are 600+ miles away from each other.  In a post-apocalyptic world where you're running for your life daily, what are the odds that you both survive a few years much less end up in the same place 600+ miles away.

Not a lot plot wise happened other than a lot of shooting, but at least it seemed slightly believable.  Rick didn't try and talk anyone to death at least.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt_Fury on October 30, 2017, 12:53 PM
I'm curious to hear about what Morales has been up to since Season One.  When he left the group, he said he was going North, so at least running into the Saviors is plausible...what happened to his family?

Also...did Rick just leave the baby in the crib?  As a father I know you don't wake a sleeping baby....but her dad could reanimate in the next room....
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BillCable on November 2, 2017, 07:49 AM
I'm predicting the Kingdom folks are gonna get an acid bath on Sunday.  The dissolved zombie and "countermeasures" made that pretty clear.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: JediJman on November 3, 2017, 12:45 PM
Yeah, I can't decide if I like the new season yet or not.  They're overdoing the sneaking around and shooting bits.  You film all that and then edit it into a cohesive story - I feel like we're getting the extra scenes added in.  It's hard to track where on the map everyone is and where they're heading - both in big picture of the assault and in the individual little battles.  I can't tell at any given point who's winning.  It's all visually pretty cool, but not great storytelling in my opinion.  And I kind of didn't get the bit with the baby - did Rick just kill that baby's dad?  or is the guy from Season 1 the dad?  Or is the baby even still alive?  Wouldn't all the gunfire have woken up a baby?  At least the zombies coming back to kill their savior buddies was cool (though I wish the realization had just been one gnawing at someone's leg instead of an overly telegraphed reveal).
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on November 3, 2017, 01:58 PM
The problem with that plan is that reanimation occurs whenever the script calls for it.

Yeah, the Saviors like to narrate, like the guy explaining how hard it is to wet yourself.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on November 6, 2017, 12:48 AM
Is Negan still on this show?  :P

Morgan vs Jesus...  :o

Morales's return was short lived. Almost to the "What was the point?". And whatever happened to the folks from the early minisodes? The folks at the storage rental place? The survivor at the med station?

Eric, the obligatory no-happy-couples-last-rule. Another Alexandrite dead due to Rick. Even Norman Reedus commented on Rick's plans on Talking Dead. Meanwhile, Aaron is left holding the baby.

The Kingdom people kinda deserved it for standing out the open like that within sight of tall structures....come on. Even Rick could've died if that sniper had hero-armor piercing bullets.

Xander Berkeley, he can be the show's Dr. Smith. 

Next week, either it's a car chase or the next Ride with Norman Reedus was shot in Syria. I don't watch taht show, when the opening narration has Reedus talking about spending a year in Barcelona when he was younger, I don't relate to him. Like PARTS UNKNOWN....yeah, great that Bourdain can travel the world and eat everything and get paid for it..great for him.   :-\

Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on November 7, 2017, 02:25 AM
Sure coulda used those .50s in a reasonable place...  like say the sanctuary...  where they could do what they basically do and rip the shot out of those tincan uparmored Toyota Camrys.  But nah let's take them as far away as we can and stuff.

.50s aren't a wonder weapon either...  I mean everyone has machine guns.  Not having the guns at the key point you need to protect seems like bad planning.  Sure they kill Kingsomers and all that but they didn't need that firepower for that job.  They needed it at the main base and wherever the Alexandrians were attacking.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Dave on November 8, 2017, 09:31 AM
The episode was just meh.  I like action and all, but I'm not that interested in a half season of non-stop gun battles.

I know we'll deal with a .50 cal in the next episode as a super weapon, but it surprises me that nobody uses something as simple as a moltov cocktail when attacking other humans.  There has to be zero ability to put out a structure fire, so if you lob a couple of those in to a ground floor window and cover the exits you could just wait out your enemy while the building burns down.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on November 8, 2017, 08:24 PM
The only issue waiting out people in a fire is the attention it draws from walkers...  and far away.  Not that gunfire doesn't do similar. 

I guess all the slaughter is to parallel the viewer desire for payback on these people as we watched the Negan/Rick cuckold film we saw up to this point, but yeah I mean it's kinda dull and seems wasteful to boot. 

The only story movement seems to be the Carol/King relationship, the "who is a revenge bent psycho and who is a borderline psycho and who is with Jesus and semi normal" setup going on...  oh and weaker half of Aaric dying.

It took a while for someone to nonsensically wander off.  If you bet on Morgan collect your $.

I like the show and the payback and the slaughter of people who were and are still dickheads.  They're going down some similar paths tho with like Jesus soaring a dude who you knew was bad, and people killing fairly indiscriminately while others will argue with them till there is an internal rift appearing and stuff... *cough*shane&Dale*cough*Shane&Rick*cough* and a bunch of other variations of that conflict.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Rob on November 8, 2017, 08:31 PM
Agreed with pretty much all of what you guys are saying.

I really think this show needs to take a dramatic turn in a new direction... it's gotten totally stale to me, which is crazy because the introduction of Negan was as dramatic and riveting as the show's been to me at least...

I may have posted this already, but I'd like to see something happen where the walkers are actually important again... where the disease does something different, or they find some REAL remnant of society that's working on a cure, or where they go some place else and do something different.  I don't know what the hell that is, but for God's sake, wandering around from random villain to random villain is old.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on November 8, 2017, 08:37 PM
Carole King's on the show?  :P

I think it was odd the junkyard leader actresses' name was in the credits, but she hasn't reappeared.




Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on November 8, 2017, 08:44 PM
I knew the second I wrote that, it was fodder
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on November 8, 2017, 11:34 PM
I skipped over all the Jesus stuff. Too easy.  ;)

Reminds me, I'd missed the Robot Chicken WD special, saw some clips on youtube. Funny stuff.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: JediJman on November 12, 2017, 02:51 PM
I may have posted this already, but I'd like to see something happen where the walkers are actually important again... where the disease does something different, or they find some REAL remnant of society that's working on a cure, or where they go some place else and do something different.  I don't know what the hell that is, but for God's sake, wandering around from random villain to random villain is old.

Hang on, its coming...
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt_Fury on November 12, 2017, 03:03 PM
Yeah, there’s definitely something up with the grilled cheese walkers we keep seeing.

Reminds me of the ones at the prison who died from the infection. 
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on November 13, 2017, 02:10 AM
SOME GUY.

Poor Ezekiel.

Hated the nerd Negan...Nerdgan? They made these guys to be creeps and jerks a bit too much. Why was he outside the gate?  He stops to gloat when there's walkers a stone's throw away. He gets the death he deserved.

Carol's hero armor in full effect. Ans stupid Saviors keep firing at the same spots as they have her pinned, wasting ammo and accomplishing nothing, because even if she pokes her head up...she's got the anointment.  She is graced, because she had no way of knowing that electric gate was functioning.

So the guns in the hummer knew they'd be followed and then unboxed a machine gun as they drove off...or something.

Daryl and Rick's hero a in effect, too! Daryl's got the dead aim while on a  moving motorcycle being shot at! (Yes, I know it's a tv show...)

But no running vehicle for Carol, Jerry and Ezekiel? I doubt all those saviors had was the humvee and a pick-up since there were  ten of them.  Even if so, not sure why they are in a hurry to leave anyway, given Ezekiel's wounds. The two remaining baddies bugged out. But let's journey across the treacherous countryside anyway!

Goodbye, CGI tiger. We couldn't afford ya!

Now that the other two black men have been put through hell, we got Gabriel next week....maybe.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on November 13, 2017, 08:48 AM
Some interesting facts about tigers the writers apparently could not be bothered to look up:

1. A tiger’s legs are so powerful that they can remain standing even when dead

2. They are the largest of all the big cats, weighing up to 300k (700 pounds)

3. Tigers can leap distances of over 6m, and jump up to 5m vertically

4. While tigers prefer to use their massive teeth to crush their victim’s neck, a single strike is enough to do the job. One swipe from a tiger’s front paw is strong enough to smash a bear’s skull and even break its spine.

So congratulations TWD, you have officially JUMPED THE SHARK, er tiger.

Of all the wildly stupid and unbelievable stuff on this show, you finally managed to come up with something so insanely implausible that it simply defies belief. Half a dozen decayed bodies with little to no muscle mass are going to take down an animal that could not only smash them to pieces with just a swipe of his paw but LEAP OVER THEM easily with no effort at all?!?!

And yes, I know this is a show predicated on nonsense science, but you have to at least stay grounded in basic physics and anatomy. COME ON MAN!

Also sick of Saviors who just seem to talk and talk and somehow know all the right psychological buttons to push at any given time. What an annoying douche.

I'm glad Jerry didn't die.

Oh and Matt - the splattery zombies were from the toxic waste barrels that were leaking all over...
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: GrandMoffNick on November 13, 2017, 09:33 AM
I'm bored with this season so far. Too many similar episodes.

But good God, the "the show sucks because of lack of perfect believability" posts are driving me nuts. They killed the tiger. Ok. The bullets are too powerful for whatever people were saying last week. Ok.

Ok, small rant over.

I hope next week is nothing but flashback speeches.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt_Fury on November 13, 2017, 01:21 PM
Oh and Matt - the splattery zombies were from the toxic waste barrels that were leaking all over...

Yeah, thanks....I picked up on that one.  :D
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on November 13, 2017, 09:35 PM
Ha ha, I was sort of tongue in cheeking my original post, they have done way crazier stuff than that that has inspired less mock outrage....but I do miss that dang tiger.  :D
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: GrandMoffNick on November 13, 2017, 10:35 PM
Tiger dies saving Ezekiel in comics too so they kinda told us it was coming with the story Ezekiel tells about saving her earlier in the show
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on November 13, 2017, 10:52 PM
Well, I for one want 100% realism from a show where the dead reanimate without any explanation.

Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on November 14, 2017, 12:10 AM
What Scockery said on Shiva...  this show makes $ hand over fist and they killed tiger for budgetary bulkshit.  Wanna be mad be mad they took something interesting and fun on the show and **** on it cuz some asswad at amc doesn't let them have a better budget.

If we are talking unrealistic junk though, beyond the usual, it was that whole chase.  From the opening and setting up a .50 a team of 30 couldn't do expeditiously at the building to suddenly one bald dildo can do it alone in a moving truck in a minute, all the way to the .50 hitting the engine and only puncturing the rad.  If you've seen a round to one of those, you'd know it would've stopped Rick's early 90s Wrangler YJ like it hit a brick wall...  not just popped the radiator. ::)

This wasn't this shows finest moment by any stretch.  And I genuinely still enjoy it and overlook the lack of realism sprinkled here and there.  My only major bitch with this whole ep was Shiva.  She was interesting and bold in a show that's on a loop right now, and you can't tell me they offer the tiger with so little use simply for the same reason GoT runs its dragon budget into the ground after like two scenes in a season.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on November 20, 2017, 12:37 AM
Rick vs. Daryl.  The switch to Eugene playing Atari boxing..black vs. white....the power goes off...darkness...then back to Daryl vs Rick. WOW. Such symbolism. It's a draw, but hey, they lost the dynamite and the .50 caliber because the crashed humvee decided it hated them.  Daryl was probably right at this point, they've lost too much man power to play it nice and win. (They know this thinks to helpful dying henchman trope...reminds me of Naked Gun.)

Negan's pet projects with Rick's people have only had a 1 in 4 success rate so far, but whatever. Gabriel could've killed Negan but wasn't willing to sacrifice himself.  Negan's council of nitwits was moments away from being swarmed by the serfs.

So is Gabriel sweating to death or is he bitten?

Rick hallucinates a helicopter again. Or it's a glitch in the matrix...yeah, this whole world is a simulation.



Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on November 20, 2017, 10:40 PM
I was thinking maybe the guts made him sick or whatever.  I like that Negan keeps calling Gabriel creepy.

If there's one more goddam unnecessary "I don't agree so let's fist fight" bro-down I'm gonna lose my **** on this show.  At some point, someone has to be not insane enough to let this all unravel just because they're a kook.  Same goes for Morgan, Carol, and all these other people who wander off, fight with people on their side, and other crap.  It makes sense for Savior Lieutenants to be at each other's throat, but this crap happening weekly is ridonkulous.  Add in now that apparently Ezekial will go into his emo state too, and just FFS I'd join the saviors for simplicity's sake in my life.  The dude who was in charge of the Kingdom runs was right.  You take that job because you just want life to be somewhat normal, stable, and no issues from morons.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Dave on November 23, 2017, 01:08 PM
Decent episode overall.  Glad that it wasn't all gun fights.  I liked the Gabriel / Negan confession stuff.  Not nearly enough of the character focused episodes lately.

I'll be interested in next week's episode.  The preview with Rick going to the Trash People seems exceedingly stupid.  Those guys shouldn't be trusted and should be avoided or eliminated.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on November 23, 2017, 07:32 PM
Gotta get those Rick speeches in when they can.

We need less bro-downs and more ho-downs.  :D
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on November 27, 2017, 04:58 PM
Somewhere between a mostly filler episode and half-way decent ensemble episode...half-way because of unnecessary risk decisions for Rick, Carl and Maggie, and probably Rosita, Michonne, Aaron, Enid, Daryl, Tara...also, that kid at the Kingdom...Carol, the pied piper of post apocalyptic children....even if she doesn't want them following her. Rick's move was the dumbest, leaving him nekkid sweaty inside a shipping container...or if you are a Jadis/Rick pusher...a 'shipper container.  :-X
I think Aaron and Enid realize as the last important Alexandrians, that they need to get as far away from Rick's friends as possible.  Carl's new pal Siddiq  might be a plant. If Negan knows people's strength's and weakness...and he knows too much about Carl...it's not impossible he's have this guy with "what my mommy told me" story out there, waiting to be taken in by Rick's bunch.


SPOILERS for FEAR THE WALKING DEAD SEASON 4. MORGAN is moving to that show as a regular. Is it flashback Morgan or what? No word. Lennie James will draw the viewers in, like he did with that hit show Low Winter Sun.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on November 27, 2017, 08:30 PM
I thought they were putting Abraham in as a regular?  Weird it'd be Morgan but hey, whatevs.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Chris M on November 27, 2017, 09:44 PM
I thought they were putting Abraham in as a regular?  Weird it'd be Morgan but hey, whatevs.

Weird being Morgan.  I mean, he was with Rick 3 months after the fall.  Then he's around Georgia still about a year or two later when he confronts Rick.  Then he's going to make it to California, or Texas if they go that way, then he's going to meet back up in Virginia?  All within what, a year to two years?  I figure it's feasible, but not likely if you are walking most of the time.

But hey whatever, I'm just in it to watch it and suspend every ounce of reality and common sense I possess.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BrentS on November 27, 2017, 10:06 PM
Yep, I just assumed it would be Abraham, especially with Fear moving towards Houston. Well, I love Lennie James so hopefully it will be a good cross-over however they weave it together.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on December 3, 2017, 11:28 PM
When Eugene becomes a more compelling character than Rick. LOL.

Eugene's original plan was flawed, who's to say the snipers wouldn't have shot that drone plane down?

Rick is gonna be right, Daryl's actions will polarize the workers of the Sanctuary into wanting revenge on Rick and allies.

Rick gets the junkyard twits on his side...maybe? He should've killed that #&^$*! Or they should've killed him. What's with their spike headed walker fetish?

Is Father Gabriel gonna die? No one got sick before from wearing the guts.

Big shocker next week! Is if Gabriel turning walker and eating someone? Jesus turns out to be, well, Jesus? Col. Kilgore arrives his copters and loves the smell of burning zombies in the morning? Judith speaks? The Umbrella Corporation arrives?
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BillCable on December 4, 2017, 08:11 AM
The chances of somebody shooting down a small drone like that mid-flight are minuscule.  There's no way Dwight drops it with his hand gun.  Just bad writing.

It's a shame Eugene wussed-out on fingering Dwight to Negan.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Chris M on December 4, 2017, 09:12 AM
Well...filler episode, or not???  I have no idea.

I know it's a zombie show and you have to suspend belief, but good lord, shooting down a drone with bullets?  I won't get into the difficulty level...that's why anti-aircraft artillery/missiles explode(s) and sends out shrapnel and why bird hunters use shotguns.

Anyway, Darrel's move was dumb and bone headed methinks, but we shall see.

But I do wonder if Eugene has an ulterior motive in not fingering Dwight?  I wonder if he's going to try and take down Negan from the inside?  It would make sense because he's the idiotic genius. 

I'm curious as to what will happen next week.  The story has been "interesting" this season.  Not great, not bad, but at least it's going and we aren't constantly listening to people complain and then make speeches.  We actually get some action.  However, I'd love to see some zombie slaying.  I wonder if Negan is ever going to appear as a bad person again, or will he keep being the nice guy that he's been this season?
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on December 4, 2017, 01:01 PM
Drone wasn't that far away  ;)...okay, here's  the other real problem with that scene, if Rick's peeps got snipers covering that building, are they under orders not to shoot Eugene or Dwight?  If they didn't see them, then, crap...they didn't really have the building covered, do they?

Eugene is inherently a coward most concerned about his own survival and that's why he didn't out Dwight when Dwight entered the room (according the actor who plays him on Talking Dead).  There's the conflict of him, Negan gave him respect and luxuries, but he knows Negan is a murderous tyrant.  Doing the right thing and helping his former traveling companions  is more likely to get Eugene killed at this point. Instincts vs ethics.

I appreciated that Gabriel mentioned that the dead are walking and maybe that's a sign that skeptical Eugene should be thinking there's more to existence than protecting his own hide.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on December 10, 2017, 11:16 PM
Mid-season fiasco...er...finale.

It's a toss up which side is stupider, but at this point the "good guys" are ahead, not by much...as Negan's still using his people are resource tactic against people openly at war with him, instead of just killing them all. Speaking of people, just how many Saviors are there? Enough to divide into 3 strong teams and leave enough to defend the Sanctuary. 

Maggie's just let this truck pull ahead of us and the saviors get out, instead of shooting them immediately. Jerry would die, but Simon would die, too....that's a fine trade off.

Rick's plan with the junkyard goofs really paid off.  ::)

Aaron and Enid are morons.  (The writing on the show is thus, if we cannot think of a thing supporting character to do, have them do something really stupid.)

King Ezekiel...why give yourself up? Guilt? Retardation? Guiltardation?  :P

The Saviors have grenade launchers or the most dangerous flare guns ever?  ??? (I may have to rewatch)

Speaking of which, Negan has you surrounded. Time to toss molotov cocktails over the wall at him. Why even have the wall? It's failed against everything at this point.

Dwight bungles things and gets himself shot and exposed. Yeah, he's officially with Rick now in more ways than one.

"Solar panels, we could've used those," says Negan like he's never been to Alexandria before. Or was this highlighting his terrible plan?

Rick and Negan fail to kill each other.

Biggest surprise...the leader of the Claimers is back and he's got the red machete, whose side will be on...oh, right.

For the mid season premiere, I expect the Army Copter to arrive and deliver the cure. Or the Cure to arrive and play a USO (Undead Service Organization) Show for the Walkers.

Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BillCable on December 11, 2017, 01:32 PM
I'm most annoyed by the fact that Rick's daughter looks like she's 3 years old now, while Maggie doesn't even have a hint of a baby bump.

Overall it was a decent finale.  I wish they'd shown the Saviors escaping instead of just telling us it happened.  Would have been more interesting.  Big surprise with Carl.  Is that something that happened in the comics?

Ezekiel had to give himself up to lock the doors behind his people.  It was a good moment, IMO.

And what a colossally bad way to get Oceanside on their side...
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: GrandMoffNick on December 11, 2017, 02:01 PM
Carl thing did not happen in comics
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Chris M on December 11, 2017, 03:06 PM
I'm so sick and tired of Negan and his guys going around acting cocky and wasteful with stuff.  At this point, anybody could knock those clowns off if they had a bit of sense.  Rick's group should have already handled this situation long before it go to where it is...but where is the drama in that? 

Why did Rick just enter his house and start banging around and calling out.  He knew who was around and should have acted as such.

Carl, I did, but didn't see that coming.

Judith?  Seriously, who was watching her play by the lake?  How did she get so big so quick?  I guess in the zombie apocalypse they have HGH readily available and it's even mutated.

Really, it wasn't a bad episode and I'm nit-picking at this point.  But, the entire Negan and his crew being supermen is nuts.

But I degress...it's (was) a show about zombies.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt_Fury on December 11, 2017, 04:14 PM
The way Gimple danced around the "Carl has been bitten" plot point on Talking dead has me starting to think that it's another "Glenn hiding under the dumpster" moment in the show.

If they do that, I'm going to be a bit pissed.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on December 11, 2017, 04:17 PM
Maggie is like Joe's wife on Family Guy who was preggers forever.

Carl was bitten by a Whisperer pretending to be a zombie....yeah, that's it.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Qui-Gon Jim on December 12, 2017, 09:18 AM
Ugh.  So the entire last season and a half and we are right back to where we were.  The bloom is definitely off this rose ala Lost Season 3.  Ratings will continue to tumble after this nonsense.

SOONER OR LATER IF DANIEL-SAN DOES NOT WHIP JOHNNY'S ASS PEOPLE WILL LOSE INTEREST.

This episode should have been the end of Neagan and crew and they should have moved onto something new after the break.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Dave on December 27, 2017, 12:20 PM
My hope is that in the rest of the battle they burn down Alexandria, Hilltop, The Kingdom, and The Sanctuary, and force the crew to venture back out on the road and experience new challenges.  Things have gotten very stale and they need to inject something new.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jeff on February 14, 2018, 02:31 PM
Me: I think the Walking Dead is just running on inertia at this point...

My friend: No way, they still have plenty of great comic material to work from!

TWD: "Naked zombies, that's what the people want!" (http://ew.com/tv/2018/02/14/walking-dead-nude-zombie/)

My friend: Yeah, I see your point about TWD.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on February 14, 2018, 02:49 PM
Literally would not surprise me if they rolled out zombie babies and zombie cats and dogs at this point. The writers seem to be regressing with every season now.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: JediJman on February 14, 2018, 06:16 PM
Well, they do have a lot of cool comic material still to get to.  Seems like there are some ideas beyond that (Nekkid zombies, Morgan time travelling, etc.) that are taking priority for some reason.  I still don't understand why big brands like this don't have a team of a dozen or so super-fans to run ideas past and tell them when one of their ideas is super ridiculous.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on February 26, 2018, 11:00 AM
I totally blew this off last night to watch an old MST3K re-run that was infinitely more entertaining. Feeling close and closer to letting this go. It's just become a bleak, joyless 60 minutes utterly lacking in suspense for me. Hard to get excited about that anymore.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Rob on February 26, 2018, 11:13 AM
I thought last night's episode was actually pretty good.  Despite him being my least favorite character on the show, the Carl stuff was pretty sad.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BillCable on February 26, 2018, 11:48 AM
That was a long, long, LONG goodbye...

The Kingdom story was more interesting, but resulted in the most conventional result you could imagine.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Rob on February 26, 2018, 12:04 PM
It was, but shouldn't a character who's been around since season 1 get a bigger send-off?
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: GrandMoffNick on February 26, 2018, 12:53 PM
I enjoyed last night's episode. Didn't need the extra 20 minutes.

But the days of looking forward to Sunday night has long since come and gone
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BillCable on February 26, 2018, 04:12 PM
The thing that bugs me most:

- Judith was born just before the prison.
- Maggie got knocked up at the prison.
- Judith now looks like a 3-year-old.
- Maggie doesn't yet even have a baby bump.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: JediJman on February 26, 2018, 07:51 PM
I don't know what the official timeline looks like, but I believe Maggie was knocked up in Alexandria.  She announces it right around when Rick puts the moves on Jessie, so she's maybe 4-5 months pregnant now? 
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on March 1, 2018, 10:02 PM
I enjoyed the ep but yeah the Kingdom end was meh.  The Carl was ok though and actually sad and emotional.  The Carl’s dream twist ties into his Negan time too I think.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BillCable on March 5, 2018, 08:37 AM
I think, at this point, Rick and Michonne are too stupid to continue surviving.

It's been a long time since WD has done anything that genuinely shocked me.  But that trash shredder scene genuinely shocked me.  Bravo!
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Dave on March 5, 2018, 11:14 AM
Definitely a bit more gore this year. 

Eight days ago we had the disemboweling scene too.

I wasn't bothered by either, but my wife watches the show too and is okay with the cartoony violence the show normally has, but is struggling with the increased gore now.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt_Fury on March 5, 2018, 05:35 PM
Free chili at the Heapster's retreat!

I actually thought it was odd that Jadis was actually talking like a normal human being when she was the only one left.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BillCable on March 6, 2018, 07:44 AM
Yeah - I think that showed they were all kinda role-playing.  Just like the people at the Kingdom.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Rob on March 6, 2018, 10:32 AM
I think, at this point, Rick and Michonne are too stupid to continue surviving.

It's been a long time since WD has done anything that genuinely shocked me.  But that trash shredder scene genuinely shocked me.  Bravo!

Yeah, the last zombie-killing moment that I thought was that good was when they strung the cable between the two cars and just drove through a crowd of them out on the highway.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt_Fury on March 6, 2018, 11:33 AM
I think, at this point, Rick and Michonne are too stupid to continue surviving.

It's been a long time since WD has done anything that genuinely shocked me.  But that trash shredder scene genuinely shocked me.  Bravo!

Yeah, the last zombie-killing moment that I thought was that good was when they strung the cable between the two cars and just drove through a crowd of them out on the highway.

Yeah....that was pretty epic!   ;D

Yeah - I think that showed they were all kinda role-playing.  Just like the people at the Kingdom.

At least at the kingdom, it makes more sense, and it's basically just Ezekiel playing a role with the others still acting somewhat like normal people.  I never really liked the Heapsters....it was all just too over the top (and that's saying something with the Kingdom having King Ezekiel and a ******* tiger).
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BillCable on March 19, 2018, 10:18 AM
I actually enjoyed last night's episode quite a bit.  That Rick v/s Negan brawl was tight.  Flaming Lucille!
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Dave on March 19, 2018, 11:43 AM
I actually enjoyed last night's episode quite a bit.  That Rick v/s Negan brawl was tight.  Flaming Lucille!

I wonder what happened to Lucille.  Burned up?  Left behind?  Picked up by trash lady?
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt_Fury on March 19, 2018, 11:54 AM
Negan regained Lucille, I'm assuming she's in the backseat of the Jadismobile.

Overall a good episode last night.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Rob on March 19, 2018, 01:46 PM
Good episode for sure, but Rick needs to be 1000x smarter about his ammo.  Negan was a sitting duck.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BillCable on March 19, 2018, 02:04 PM
Way too many convenient things keeping Negan alive.  I hope there's a rational reason that the trash lady was waiting right outside the building ready to pick him up after he got away from Rick.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on March 30, 2018, 07:15 PM
Tobin the stealth zombie, more capable dead than alive.

"Hey, we were attacked last nite, so no sentries tonight!" (Just the guy in the med bay and the nurse or whatever she was).

At this point, 75% of either side has to be dead.

Using "germ warfare" sure indicates this undead thing is a contagion. But the bites turned people before, but they rationalized the rotting corpses were so full of germs, that killed the victim and then whatever made them undead. If getting shot with an arrow stuck in zombie guts an hour  or longer before can turn someone over night, but constant exposure to zombie gore never did before...(except Gabriel), then whatever, man, just whatever.

Not sure how LP lady and her pals snuck over and left a calling card.

Is Lauren Cohan leaving the show or what? Predict she is and dies giving birth or killing Negan along with herself.

Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on March 30, 2018, 08:10 PM
Noticed both groups multiply like wet mogwai when numbers are needed.  Kinda like bullets.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on March 30, 2018, 10:35 PM
Is that why Tara is so big, she's about to bud off and create new cannon fodder?

I'm hoping the beachside folks show up with Aaron's head on a pike.

Maybe the best way to end the season is a reset with everyone dead on the rebel side but whatever's left of Rick's core group.  A few saviors survive and Eugene is the sole NEGAN, and becomes leader of the great North..er...Mid-atlantic? tribe?
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt_Fury on March 31, 2018, 12:18 AM
Noticed both groups multiply like wet mogwai when numbers are needed.  Kinda like bullets.

I'm still trying to figure out who keeps refining all that gasoline two years into the apocalypse!
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Rob on March 31, 2018, 11:24 AM
Noticed both groups multiply like wet mogwai when numbers are needed.  Kinda like bullets.

I'm still trying to figure out who keeps refining all that gasoline two years into the apocalypse!

And I’m wondering why everyone has aged eight years in just two!
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on April 2, 2018, 01:21 AM
Show is starting to drag.

Feels like they separated Negan from the Saviors twice now, just to kill time.

Jadis is mysterious....spoooky...black helicopters...Negan sums it up "what the sh-t?" :-X

It's that kingdom kid plot line I got tired of 5 episodes ago.

I'm tired of Morgan, so why do I want him on the spin off that I abandoned?

Rick skips the part where he gets people on his side and then drags out their deaths, and instead just shoots them in the back immediately. It's nice that he's sped things up, show runners, take note!

Who did Negan pick-up?
- Aaron, we see what leads up to that next week.
- Xander Berkeley's character whose name I cannot remember.
- Susan! WHO?
- Ferris Bueller's principal
- The hitchhiker from that old HBO series.
- Zombie Eric


Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Dave on April 7, 2018, 11:44 AM
Who did Negan pick-up?
- Aaron, we see what leads up to that next week.
- Xander Berkeley's character whose name I cannot remember.
- Susan! WHO?
- Ferris Bueller's principal
- The hitchhiker from that old HBO series.
- Zombie Eric

I'm thinking its Laura- the missing Savior woman that was with Dwight when he double crossed and shot them.

I do love how they have no problems finding working cars all over the place.  I'm sure after a few years the gas in cars would probably still be okay, but I would think most of the batteries would be dead.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on April 7, 2018, 02:18 PM
Gas is ok if you’re using it.  Storing it it develops moisture and that screws with how cars run.  “Fresh gas” would be a major problem especially with modern gas which is even worse to the fuel system of vehicles today.  This is why your mower may run like hell or snowblower if they’ve sat a long time.  Moisture and stuff can make them run at the very least like poop. If not outright refuse to start.  Plus there can be varnish build up on injectors and things, fuel pumps can lock up, lots of sediment can get stirred up and clog the fuel system from them sitting s long time then suddenly getting steady use.

Diesels would be more forgiving, especially if you had someone handy to work on them and keep the fuel lines clean on those too.  Batteries would wind up becoming something of a problem because the ones in stores would sit without charging and batteries are dated and rotated kind of like milk.  It’s bad to let them completely discharge.  In the show though a car starts right up that’s been clearly sitting for a year or two and yeah no.  It’s at least gonna need jumped, and that’s at the very least.

Another issue and one I’ve seen they just skip over is modern cars aren’t quite as easy to steal as the show implies haha.  That’s like headshots while riding in a moving vehicle to me.  Just suspend disbelief.

Cars that sit though have tons of issues.  Cracking vacuum lines, dry rotting tires, tires losing air naturally, starters freezing up, oil breaking down (it does so over time)...  lotsa things about cars are just not really realistic on the show.  I’ve chosen to ignore it. 🤷‍♂️
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on April 7, 2018, 02:23 PM
Btw def Laura the missing savior cuz they need to wrap that up somehow before the season croaks.

Jadis and the heaple were annoying but she’s become less so without them. 

Tara can go any time now.  I hate her character.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on April 8, 2018, 05:42 PM
Why did I think Laura was named Susan?

I've had car batteries go dead sitting just after a month.

Also, they'd need some air compressors.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on April 9, 2018, 12:03 AM
Still mucking about until the finale.

Aaron desperately searches for a storyline as the season nears to a close.

Dwight made the wrong call, as Simon is a bigger screw up.  Then again, Simon might have killed Dwight outright if he believed Laura.

Michonne found Carl's letter and read each word out loud...killing Negan softly with her song....


Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Chris M on April 9, 2018, 06:19 AM
Well...another episode that very slowly moved the plot.  It certainly wasn't a bad one, but was far from being good.

Maybe next week we'll actually see the end of the perpetual cat and mouse game.  This season has been like The Farm, except there has been some action.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on April 9, 2018, 12:48 PM
Yeah, if the farm had 16 episodes and Rick duked it out with Shane every 4 episodes, and Lori went off for some stupid reason and wrecked her car every 3rd episode, and two characters debated ethics/morality for 20 minutes every other episode..so, yeah, the show has gotten formulaic.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt_Fury on April 9, 2018, 11:05 PM
So next week is the Season Finale of TWD and the season premier of FTWD.  My prediction is that TWD ends with Morgan doing his best Forest Gump impersonation right out of town....Fear TWD starts in Houston 6 months later with him running into town!  :D
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Chris M on April 10, 2018, 06:22 AM
Matt, I'm guessing that's sarcasm. 

If they haven't drastically shifted FTWD timeline, then that show is about 2 years behind TWD.  So I'm thinking Morgan made his way to Texas after helping Rick, and then headed back east after an adventure there and met up with Rick and Co.

That's just my fan theory that accounts for absolutely nothing and is probably entirely wrong.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BillCable on April 10, 2018, 08:15 AM
Texas is a LONG ******* WALK from Virginia for a round-trip visit.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Chris M on April 10, 2018, 09:20 AM
Come on Bill, you know you have to suspend belief for that show.  I'm sure Morgan found a car with unlimited gas or a charging station for an electric car.  The writers will make it fit.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Dave on April 10, 2018, 10:15 AM
Probably took one of those trash people helicopters.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt_Fury on April 10, 2018, 12:08 PM
Matt, I'm guessing that's sarcasm. 

If they haven't drastically shifted FTWD timeline, then that show is about 2 years behind TWD.  So I'm thinking Morgan made his way to Texas after helping Rick, and then headed back east after an adventure there and met up with Rick and Co.

That's just my fan theory that accounts for absolutely nothing and is probably entirely wrong.

You are partially correct Chris...there was some sarcasm in my comment.  However, the show runners have said that the timeline of Morgan is not going to be changed....he's leaving TWD and will show up in Fear afterwards.  I'm expecting a huge time jump in Fear next week.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BillCable on April 10, 2018, 02:01 PM
I've actually enjoyed the last few episodes of TWD a lot more than I did the rest of the season.  I'm really hoping they deliver some nice pay-offs on Sunday.  We deserve it!
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on April 10, 2018, 10:33 PM
I enjoyed the Negick brawl in the building with ****** floors.  I’ve enjoyed a lot of this season in general. 

Oh I’ve had batteries die in a month too... depends on their newness and just general usage and the weather but yeah it’s super easy and one of those things I’ve just ignored on the show...  like constant good aim regardless of the setting...  till someone important is standing around and needs shot then suddenly they’re all Stormtroopers.

Lol @ the Forest Gump line Matt.  That was funny. 
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Rob on April 12, 2018, 09:34 PM
I've probably already said it, I'm going to say it again...

I really hope the Saviors thing ends next week.  They've been the focal point of the show for three years now.  I don't think I could stand a fourth.

I'm dying for this show to do something new... anything new.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt_Fury on April 13, 2018, 12:33 PM
Looks like there will be one heck of a time jump in FTWD according to this trailer. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ixdi8XdYHMQ)

Morgan directly references All Out War (there was a war out East), and the fact that he has his Aikido staff proves it's after Rick met up with crazy Morgan back in his hometown.

I bet the episode will be set in present day TWD, but there will be several flashbacks throughout the season to show what happened in those two years.

Also, a quick glimpse at the timelines of the show:

- Rick wakes up on day 59 of the outbreak, 5 days later it's the end of Season One and the CDC in Atlanta blows up.
- The Dam blows up in FTWD on Day 64 of the outbreak....same day as the CDC in Atlanta blows up.

So basically, most of what we've seen in FTWD has happened before Rick even gets out of the Hospital in TWD!
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on April 16, 2018, 12:45 AM
Underwhelming and telegraphed season finale of TWD. The oceanside ladies weren't even needed, because that attack on Hilltop felt tacked on and weightless.  Dwight leaves seemingly for good...which is almost a shame, I like him more than most of Rick and company. Maggie and Daryl set up at next season's villains...or something.

FTWD actually got me interested, even though I thought i was tired of Morgan. And Garret Dillahunt, maybe the rest of the cast of Raising Hope will appear or he'll turn out to be Cromartie, the terminator. Or he'll reveal that The Gifted mutants were the cause of the zombie. I was quite TAKEN with Maggie Grace. (I didn't realize who she was, actually)
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: GrandMoffNick on April 16, 2018, 01:08 AM
I can't believe we've gotta wait a whole summer now to hear how much you hate this show.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: GrandMoffNick on April 16, 2018, 01:13 AM
That being said I do agree it was pretty telegraphed.

I'm intrigued with the Maggie, Jesus, Daryl thing. That caught me off guard. I can't see them "vs" Rick but certainly a rift could be interesting
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Chris M on April 16, 2018, 10:13 AM
Well...it was what it was.

I was really, really underwhelmed by all of it.  The twist with Maggie and Darryl might be interesting if the writers actually do something. I can't see them being bad guys, but as was mentioned, some sort of rift between them.

The fight with Rick and Negan was boring.  The whole episode was just blah...so much hype and so little anything.  This had to be one of the worst season finales.  There was no tension at all in the episode, and nothing really leading into next season.  I guess we'll find out in October.

I didn't watch FTWD, but I plan to get to it later today.  (Took the day off to deal with what is about to become water damaged home renovation).
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Rob on April 16, 2018, 10:15 AM
Yeah.... it was amazingly obvious what was going ot happen with those bullets as soon as Eugene had Negan try a few, and even moreso when you saw that no one else fired a shot until they were ALL going to fire at once.

Alright though, Eugene wasn't bad.

Also, in real life I'm a lock-'em-up-forever kind of guy who's not big on the death penalty, but in Walking Dead life, I'm on team Maggie in terms of Negan.

Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt_Fury on April 16, 2018, 11:20 AM
The season ended the way All Out War ended in the comics...kinda meh.

I'm guessing the Maggie/Jesus/Darryl plot will also, most likely, follow the comics....they're going to hatch a plan to kill Negan at some point, but they'll eventually not kill him.

I'm about halfway through FTWD, and I like what's going on.  I have a feeling half the season will be updating the audience on what everyone was doing throughout the time jump.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BillCable on April 16, 2018, 11:29 AM
Big finale!  NOBODY DIES!!

Well, except for nameless fodder...
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on April 16, 2018, 12:23 PM
Lauren Cohan hasn't signed back up, seems unlikely she'll be a regular on the series.

Next season, big time jump and Maggie will have died off screen,  and her kid is a teenager.


Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt_Fury on April 17, 2018, 11:35 AM
Finished The Fear season premier last night and thought it was interesting that we see everyone but Daniel and Madison.  I have a feeling that Madison has been separated from her kids and Strand since the season 3 finale, and has set up a safe place that they will encounter in the next couple of episodes.  I have no clue where Daniel is, and I'm not sure if I care.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Chris M on April 20, 2018, 06:17 AM
I watched FTWD last night and actually enjoyed the episode immensely.  To me it had the feel of earlier TWD episodes.  It seemed to offer the glimpses of hope and kindness and then shatters it.

As the episode ended, I found myself intrigued by the direction that the original characters have gone during the time hop.  I wonder if in some fashion they turned from trying to be good people to literally becoming the bad guys. Perhaps not bad, but definitely not extremely concerned with being decent.  I'm looking forward to the next episode.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on April 20, 2018, 05:01 PM
My mother likes TWD...  but we both kinda were meh after the finale last week and think we are just bored with it.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt_Fury on April 23, 2018, 12:17 PM
Since Westworld took priority of FTWD last night, I am putting in a placeholder so I can see new comments and not get spoiled.  :D
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on April 23, 2018, 06:17 PM
FTWD has mech suits now. Our "heroes" are living in a stadium and have taught walkers how to play baseball.  The villains are the Great Northern Tribe led by Bruce Spence.

I forgot how Into the Badlands ended last season. Their world still makes no sense, but it's a decent show.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Diddly on April 24, 2018, 01:22 AM
That stadium is about 15 miles from me! It belongs to the Round Rock Express, minor league team for the Rangers, and owned by Nolan Ryan's son Reid. Fear was filming there most of last summer/fall.

The team is doing a Walking Dead night next month, where the team will wear the uniforms from the show. I preordered the Armadillos hat they made a small amount of. :)
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Chris M on April 24, 2018, 06:19 AM
^^That's pretty cool.

Being a Texan, I do get tired of the stereotypes.  FTWD has definitely played into that with that new character.  It's a bit annoying.  We don't all walk around with hats, boots, and a revolver on our hip.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt_Fury on April 24, 2018, 05:15 PM
So in the 2.5 year time jump, Madison found her kids and Strand, made it to Texas, spent several months making the stadium into a fortress for it all to be taken down in 12 hours by lil' Negan and his band of travelling ********?
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on April 24, 2018, 06:33 PM
Lmao @ “lil Negan and his band of traveling ********”.

I’d go see that band.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Rob on April 25, 2018, 10:44 AM
^^That's pretty cool.

Being a Texan, I do get tired of the stereotypes.  FTWD has definitely played into that with that new character.  It's a bit annoying.  We don't all walk around with hats, boots, and a revolver on our hip.

Having lived in Texas for six years I can say that you're absolutely right.  You don't all do that. 

But most of you do.   :)
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt_Fury on April 25, 2018, 02:01 PM
Lmao @ “lil Negan and his band of traveling ********”.

I’d go see that band.

I try, Jesse....I try.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on April 27, 2018, 11:39 AM
RV villain sort of reminds me of Cherry 2000 and Tim Thomerson's group.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Chris M on April 27, 2018, 06:43 PM
^^That's pretty cool.

Being a Texan, I do get tired of the stereotypes.  FTWD has definitely played into that with that new character.  It's a bit annoying.  We don't all walk around with hats, boots, and a revolver on our hip.

Having lived in Texas for six years I can say that you're absolutely right.  You don't all do that. 

But most of you do.   :)

Okay, that's funny.  Not true...but still funny. :)
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BrentS on April 29, 2018, 11:08 PM
So far... enjoying Fear this season more than TWD.  Looking forward to hearing others take on tonight’s episode.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Chris M on April 30, 2018, 06:25 AM
Good episode. This show is getting better.

The end definitely caught me off guard.  I was finally getting into that character a bit.

I think people need to listen to Morgan.  It think it's pretty cool how the crossover blends his experience from TWD to FTWD. Obviously they have to do that, but it's cool that he mentions what he's learned/scene/experienced without name dropping and making over the top ties between the two shows.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BrentS on April 30, 2018, 04:48 PM
The end definitely caught me off guard.  I was finally getting into that character a bit.

Me too!
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt_Fury on May 1, 2018, 12:39 AM
I did not see that coming.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Chris M on May 7, 2018, 05:55 AM
Another solid episode last night.  I like the flashback style of episodes this season.  It's allowed the storytelling to go on without getting bogged down in mindless details or moral debates.

Cool twist at the end.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BrentS on May 7, 2018, 01:16 PM
Agreed.... Fear has been very enjoyable this season.  (Something I never thought I'd say).  While I appreciate the use of muted Black/Whites vs Vivid Colors to differentiate the story timelines... I do enjoy the vivid colors more.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt_Fury on May 8, 2018, 11:12 PM
I called that twist in the first episode...still pretty cool that it happened.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: JediJman on May 17, 2018, 05:01 PM
Just watched the TWD Finale and I'd agree it was pretty telegraphed.  Can't quite put my finger on it, but the "anguish" of the characters isn't what it used to be.  I remember when Lori died - Rick's grief was gut wrenching.  But Carl's loss has just kind of dragged on and Maggie's cries for Negan to die were almost silly.  I'm super tired of Rick's "Hey, just trust me" then killing or slashing people.  I haven't watched Fear yet - hopefully the new format is a fun reboot.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Dave on May 30, 2018, 11:49 AM
Heard that Andrew Lincoln wants to and is leaving the show this season.  Lots of questions.  Will they kill him off?  Will he just leave?  Who will take over as the leader?  Will the show end gracefully soon, or will it limp along without its core star?
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BillCable on May 30, 2018, 11:54 AM
I read they're giving Norman Reedus a big pay bump to be the new star.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Rob on May 30, 2018, 04:35 PM
Normally I'd be worried about something like this but that show needs a massive shake up anyway.  So why the hell not?
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: GrandMoffNick on May 30, 2018, 04:37 PM
2 years ago I'd have been upset. But yeah now it may be what they need. I'd prefer Rick leaves as opposed to dies
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Rob on May 30, 2018, 05:51 PM
2 years ago I'd have been upset. But yeah now it may be what they need. I'd prefer Rick leaves as opposed to dies

They'll probably do something stupid like drag the Neagan **** out for another 15 episodes and then have them both stab each other at the same time, dying while holding each other and crying about Carl.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BillCable on June 15, 2018, 03:26 PM
So - who's your pick for the new host of Talking Dead in the fall?
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on June 15, 2018, 07:19 PM
Maybe they’ll can the show all together.  TWD itself is losing ratings so TWD can’t be doing gangbusters.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: GrandMoffNick on October 2, 2018, 07:26 AM
Thought I'd bump this thread again as The Walking Dead starts on Sunday and it'd be nice to keep the conversations separate
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on October 8, 2018, 12:24 AM
Spoilerz

New credits! Yay?

Gas issue is addressed, but not the age/quality, just supply. Yet, during their Washington fiasco, no one was looking for gasoline in old cars.

Kids runs to save horse and is the Flash, no one can catch up to him to save him from the usual plodding walker. Expedition was a lot of effort for an old wagon.

Then half the party dies from cholera on the way back to Hilltop.

Hey, former crazy junkyard lady, when you gonna talk about them helicopters?

Maybe tell the sanctuary folks they need to find a more habitable place to live?
Is that the Russian baddie from Agents of SHIELD?

Magic Storm destroys bridges and things.  Not that storms cannot do that, but they just played that card on FTWD's 4th season. 

Gregory still hanging around Hilltop?  :P

Character we've never seen or don't remember's death become a catalyst for Maggie to stand up to Rick. Okay. Sure whatever. I'd think she's still crabby because of that two year pregnancy she had.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: GrandMoffNick on October 8, 2018, 01:01 AM
I've missed you Scockery.

I'm looking forward to the Maggie vs. set up here.

I've also heard the critical review for this season is good so that's nice to hear after the last couple seasons
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on October 8, 2018, 12:17 PM
You'll hit me one of these days.

I didn't realize the dead kid's mom was Brett Butler. What the heck happened to her? I guess she is 60, but has not aged gracefully...under fire.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BillCable on October 8, 2018, 03:48 PM
You'll hit me one of these days.

I didn't realize the dead kid's mom was Brett Butler. What the heck happened to her? I guess she is 60, but has not aged gracefully...under fire.

Makeup can do wonders (or cause things to look horrifying).
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on October 9, 2018, 06:37 PM
She didn’t do herself favors with her lifestyle either iirc. 😬

I wonder if the magic storm was the same storm or related to the ftwd storm.  If Darryl is gonna be the focal dude post Rick, Reedus needs to speak up some and a tad more often than he currently does.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on October 10, 2018, 12:09 AM
Oh, and we know Morgan isn't making back to Virginia within a year and a half of the end of last season of FTWD.  He's still trucking!?

Though that also depends on when he left Virginia, too.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt_Fury on October 10, 2018, 12:24 PM
I'm guessing Morgan left within a week or two of the end of All Out War.  I'm guessing we had a time jump of about a year in TWD?

In the comics, they had a two year time jump between All Out War and the coming of the Whisperers...relations between all the communities was pretty stable.  I'm curious to see what happens with them showing up and the community relationships are pretty strained.

Not sure if it was the same storm that took out the bridge that was in FTWD, but the timelines do kind of match up.  Either way....infrastructure would be crumbling by this point since no maintenance has been done in the roughly 4 year timeline since season one.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on October 10, 2018, 02:01 PM
Yeah from what I’d seen the times are synced now between shows iirc...  one storm here had so many roads washed out it was a nightmare getting home from school some years ago so the storm thing is fine.  It could have been related or not.  I was fine with it either way adding a level of complexity. 
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Dave on October 11, 2018, 09:37 AM
I'm really curious to see what they do with the Rick character with Andrew Lincoln's departure from the show.  I doubt he can just leave without taking Michonne with him, unless they have some kind of epic break up.  Would they kill him?  Nervous breakdown and he spends the rest of the series farming corn in the background?
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BillCable on October 11, 2018, 11:34 AM
I'm calling heroic self-sacrifice.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: GrandMoffNick on October 11, 2018, 11:45 AM
I think he'll leave the group because all the communities won't work together. Maybe sprinkled with a little "went crazy"
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Rob on October 11, 2018, 12:41 PM
I think he'll leave the group because all the communities won't work together. Maybe sprinkled with a little "went crazy"

Put me down for Negan kills him.  As he's dying, he sees Carl and Lori or some such **** calling him home...
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt_Fury on October 11, 2018, 05:17 PM
Put me down for heroic self-sacrifice.  Sorry Rob, but Negan killing him would just put everyone back to the beginning of Season 7.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: GrandMoffNick on October 11, 2018, 05:31 PM
I just imagine them wanting to leave door open to bring him back in some way at some point especially if they want to follow any upcoming comic story lines or specific events.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Rob on October 11, 2018, 05:35 PM
Put me down for heroic self-sacrifice.  Sorry Rob, but Negan killing him would just put everyone back to the beginning of Season 7.

You're right, I'm updating my prediction to Negan and Rick kill each other at the same time.

Something something, metaphor about violence destroying everyone, blah blah blah.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Chris M on October 11, 2018, 06:56 PM
I just imagine them wanting to leave door open to bring him back in some way at some point especially if they want to follow any upcoming comic story lines or specific events.

This right here.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Rob on October 11, 2018, 08:22 PM
I just imagine them wanting to leave door open to bring him back in some way at some point especially if they want to follow any upcoming comic story lines or specific events.

This right here.

So he'll go full Luke Skywalker and hole up on an island somewhere after some other tragedy that he blames himself for.  If it's that, put me down for Negan kills Maggie or someone pivotal, Rick kills Negan, can't handle losing more friends - leaves all his friends.  No idea how Michonne fits into that kind of narrative though.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on October 11, 2018, 10:13 PM
How would they rationalize him abandoning Judith? Unless Judith dies and he loses it.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: GrandMoffNick on October 15, 2018, 12:14 AM
So they put the Savior who just fought with Daryl in charge of an important part of the herd redirection? Smart logical choice
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on October 15, 2018, 11:18 AM
Yeah, forced conflict by putting responsibility on the irresponsible.

I was expecting the other siren operator to have been killed by the new baddies. They saved their first victim for the end.

The "bury your gays" crowd will love Aaron's new injury. Damn, like losing Eric wasn't enough.

Gabriel and former junkyard lady hook-up? That seems like they are setting one of the two up to die.

Whatever happened to Heath, anyway?

Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt_Fury on October 15, 2018, 11:32 AM
I'm still curious about Anne and here secret organization that still has working helicopters!
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on October 21, 2018, 10:30 PM
Maggie seems dour, you'd think she'd be happy with Glen's stunt double by her side.

Let's split up in pairs like this is Scooby Doo.
Rick: "Come on, gang, we gotta solve this mystery! Shaggy you take Velma..."
Daryl: "I'm not Shaggy."
Carol: "Have you seen yourself lately?

It's telegraphing where Rick is going.  He might as well go since everyone is against him.  Oceanside ladies want revenge sure, but how many random strangers did they kill to keep their down the shore place secret?  So much for the Wisperers being the culprits. That means we we'll be confronting them entirely sans Rick Grimes and since I haven't read the comic past the fall of the prison I've no idea that means.

So Anne is trading people to some other people? A or a B? Willing or unwilling?  Personality type?  ???


Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BillCable on October 22, 2018, 08:54 AM
I'm guessing independent thinkers v/s sheep, or something along those lines.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Dave on October 22, 2018, 11:57 AM
Maybe "after" and "before" zombification? 

Anne thought Gabriel might go willingly and be a "Before", but now that he is unwilling maybe she is going to turn him in to an "After"?  Maybe it matters if they get bit and turn vs. killed and turn.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: GrandMoffNick on October 22, 2018, 01:07 PM
I think these last two Rick episodes are going to be fun watching Maggie and Daryl usurp power.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BillCable on October 23, 2018, 09:08 AM
Given the new revelation about Trash Lady, I'm expecting Rick to get abducted by helicopters now.  I envision a whole Close Encounters type thing... where he lands at some military base, the doors open with a beam of light, and he walks inside.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on October 28, 2018, 10:47 PM
Michonne's midnight walker massacres...that's a problem. If there's that many random dead (as opposed to the herd) that close to settlements (It seems she wasn't travelling far), then they don't have their crap together.

Spending part of Rick's second to last episode on some convoluted pit scene.  I dunno.

"We figured out Oceanside was killing us and we got one gun, so we came back to get killed."



Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BillCable on October 29, 2018, 09:27 AM
Who digs a hole like that?

How are there not already a bunch of dead inside?  Like a dozen fell in over the course of 15 minutes.

It looks like A & B were indeed after and before being turned.  But I guess we'll never know since trash lady ran off.  And nobody else notices helicopters flying at night because stealth... or something.

I never watch the previews for the upcoming week because I like to go in unbiased.  I really hope Rick's last episode isn't some 60-minute fever dream.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: GrandMoffNick on October 29, 2018, 10:26 AM
The hole was not logical for multiple reasons. BUT they needed a plot device to trap Rick and Daryl together but eliminate fighting being a good idea so they could hash out their differences. So whatever.

I am concerned that Rick's "send off" is not going to befit his character
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt_Fury on October 29, 2018, 12:35 PM
I think the pit was made by the Whisperers....a way to collect members for new outfits perhaps?

I predict next week's episode will be half pass out dreams/half Rick trying to save the camp from the mega herd....with a whisperers reveal at the end.

I did like the Negan/Michonne scenes.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Dave on October 30, 2018, 12:34 PM
I assume the pit is simply a plot device to trap Daryl and Rick in a confined space where they have to talk, work together to find a way out, and don't just keep punching each other.

I assumed they were going to use the pit for some kind of nirvana discussion where Rick hands some leadership philosophy to Daryl, but maybe it as more the Daryl and Carol view that the Sanctuary team isn't really working out well and that maybe they should be eliminated.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Rob on October 30, 2018, 01:24 PM
I assume the pit is simply...

I'm surprised they didn't just start digging foot holes the minute they got down there.  They probably could have been out of that thing in five or so minutes.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Dave on October 30, 2018, 02:58 PM
Rick did have a hatchet in his belt.  I guess that is just for zombie brains.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt_Fury on October 30, 2018, 04:58 PM
The script didn't allow for that.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Chris M on October 31, 2018, 06:19 AM
What I wish hadn't been advertised the past couple of weeks, was these are the last Rick Grimes episodes.  That to me, has killed some of the suspense.

I certainly hope he doesn't go out like a bitch, but something that is fitting for the character.  Too often in this show, we are being led to something grand and phenomenal, and then a total let down.  Honestly, I'd like to see him walk away, much like Morgan, and the door left open for a possible return...or just the question mark of what happened to him?
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BillCable on November 4, 2018, 10:19 PM
Given the new revelation about Trash Lady, I'm expecting Rick to get abducted by helicopters now.  I envision a whole Close Encounters type thing... where he lands at some military base, the doors open with a beam of light, and he walks inside.

Winner winner chicken dinner!  No big door opening, but he flew off into the sunset.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on November 4, 2018, 10:44 PM
And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Rick, and Hell followed with him.

That was mostly predictable, except the shark time jump.

Rick getting impaled then taken away for treatment (?) was like that punk kid in season two who got impaled and they fixed him up. Rick showed mercy, so now he gets mercy?

Wondering why no one else saw that chopper. Or did they?

Sasha: "It's not over, Rick. You can get your own Star Trek series."

We cannot expect Chris Hardwick to get in Gimple's face and ask him why he killed off Coral Carl only to soap opera age Judith twice within the first half of the this season.

Now according to Gimple, they are working on Walking Dead tv movies and such...some stand alone, some related to the shows.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt_Fury on November 5, 2018, 12:44 AM
Ok....I’m intereted in the upcoming tv movies.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Pete_Fett on November 5, 2018, 05:55 AM
I am honestly quite skeptical of there being any serious plans to tell more Rick Grimes stories by way of made-for-TV movies that air on AMC.

With how Rick exited the show, the producers hope they have prevented an all out mass exodus of what viewers they have left. Killing off Rick would resulted in many viewers of the attitude "this show was about Rick Grimes, Rick Grimes is dead, the show is over for me".

For at least the next year, they will keep trotting out Gimple who will be asked about the planned "Rick Grimes: Walker Hunter" movies and he will continue to say "we're working on them", but that will be solely to just keep stringing people along.

When the plug is pulled on the show, they'll have Rick Grimes miraculously come back for the last couple of episodes, weave in the best ideas of what they had for the Rick Grimes movies into the episode where he returns so he can explain "where he's been" and end the show outright.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Dave on November 7, 2018, 10:48 AM
All the dream sequences got kind of old, but ultimately I liked the way the left it with Rick.  Everyone thinks he's dead and they've got an out to potentially bring him back at some point if they want to magically wrap it up.

I'm intrigued about the time jump, although I'm not sure why they feel they need to do this unless they feel Judith is the new star.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt_Fury on November 7, 2018, 10:54 AM
I think Judith and that kid from the kingdom are going to take up the Carl role from the comics, so they needed to really age Judith.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: GrandMoffNick on November 7, 2018, 11:13 AM
I think with Rick gone it just didn't make sense to keep the same story going. Especially with ratings dropping. Now they can go a million directions. I'm looking forward to it
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: JediJman on November 7, 2018, 02:57 PM
This was a much better send off than I expected.  I thought we'd see the end of Rick for sure at several points.  I love that we got a bit of Force-ghosting with Shane, Hershel, and even Abraham.  Only thing missing was a Glenn (or Lori) cameo, which would have made the most sense with the Maggie/Negan backstory going on.  I don't love the time jumps, and didn't like them in the comics either, but whatever.  Aged Judith looks pretty kick butt, and this allows time for the Fear crew to join up with them if they want to go that direction.  I like the potential for upcoming movies too.

SPOILER ALERT - Matt, I don't think everyone here knows the next phase of the comic storyline, so maybe ixnay on the hisperersway.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Rob on November 7, 2018, 03:48 PM
Only thing missing was a Glenn (or Lori) cameo,

I figured Carl was a shoe-in for one of those scenes. 
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on November 7, 2018, 08:09 PM
Yeah no carl and Lori was kinda odd I thot.  I was oddly happy with how that all turned out honestly.  I wasn’t taking Rick’s “demise” well and was pondering bailing.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on November 11, 2018, 11:02 PM
Oh, boy 6 year leap forward, 6 steps back.

Michonne is still brooding after 6 years sans Rick. And she had his baby? And mystery scar, because we needed that, right, another flashback mystery?

Michonne seems to have the most influence in Alexandria, yet, shouldn't it be Aaron who rules with an iron fist.  :P

These new peeps are suspicious...besides maybe the how-is-he-that-overweight-in-the-apocalypse guy, they seem too well groomed.

It's the "Gabriel gets some season" He and Rosita don't work. It just doesn't. Out of nowhere 'shipping is a sign of desperation.

Ex-Sanctuarians were killing and robbing folks for years and just now stopped by Queen Carol. I guess they wanted a loose end tied up and to remind us that she is still bad-arse.

Gun-toting Judith probably makes a lot viewers uncomfortable. Let's hope she didn't find some Slender Man fiction from the pre-apocalypse.

"I can't hear their voices anymore" (or something). Go watch their "transparency tapes" from when they arrived in Alexandria! (Or did Negan take those?)

Take our only doctor on a slow wagon ride to Hilltop just him, Michonne and 5 strangers. What could go wrong?

"Wheeeerreeee arrrre they?" Must the aliens who started the undead plague.  ;)

Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: GrandMoffNick on November 12, 2018, 01:27 AM
I forgot how much I hate your immediately after each episode posts.

Let's let the time jump have a few episodes before we determine how good or bad it is. Did you know how terrible "Resistance" would be from the first minute teaser trailer too? Of course there will be some "mop up" scenes that don't totally fit six years later. News flash the episode from six years earlier was only just on last week.

They need a bad ass but "thinking to the future" Grimes. Let's see how the little kid does. And who Gabriel is dating was my number two concern on this show behind Rick so just like you it's number one now.

I'm glad the Whisperers are here. The aftermath of the fair is where I've fallen behind in the comics.

I do agree all these person or two caravans are a bad idea. Also wouldn't Michonne have had a watch on hidden knife lady's group?

Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Dave on November 12, 2018, 10:36 AM
I'm not a comics guy, and don't want it spoiled, but the one thing that gets me suspicious about "new people" is that it just doesn't seem all that plausible that groups of people could easily travel large distances and survive.  I would think 10-ish years in to the apocalypse you're either walled up with a working farm or you're dead.  There wouldn't be much for weapons left to scrounge, there wouldn't be any food left to scrounge (other than hunting/fishing, and stumbling on an apple tree), and walking hundreds of miles and staying safe doesn't seem all that realistic. 

I'm not sure what that means from this group, if they've been sent to infiltrate, or if they've just been lucky enough to have been on the run for weeks, survived, and stumbled on a functioning community that didn't just kill them outright.

I'm interested to see if the time jump, new characters, and whisperers (I don't even know what that implies - and don't tell me) brings some new compelling plot lines to the show.  This first episode was fine, and I do love seeing Carol be a bad ass ;)
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Chris M on November 12, 2018, 10:38 AM
Last night's episode...meh...

It felt very much like a reboot where they were trying to keep the story line going.  I know that was needed by removing Rick from the equation.  I'm not sure how I feel about the time jump for the second time this season.

I did like seeing Carol roast the former Saviors.  That was pretty cool, but why in the world would those guys still be floating around 3-4 years later?  I'd have thought they'd have been killed off or just vacated the area.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: GrandMoffNick on November 12, 2018, 10:40 AM
Just wanted to make sure everyone did hear the "don't let them get away" at the end. I remember thinking the comics  jumped the shark at first with the similar happening there. I'll keep it at that.

Also Eugene's comment about the herd making a, I forget his words, but out of the norm u turn to double back on Rosita and him
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt_Fury on November 12, 2018, 11:38 AM
I'm not a comics guy, and don't want it spoiled, but the one thing that gets me suspicious about "new people" is that it just doesn't seem all that plausible that groups of people could easily travel large distances and survive.  I would think 10-ish years in to the apocalypse you're either walled up with a working farm or you're dead.  There wouldn't be much for weapons left to scrounge, there wouldn't be any food left to scrounge (other than hunting/fishing, and stumbling on an apple tree), and walking hundreds of miles and staying safe doesn't seem all that realistic. 

I'm not sure what that means from this group, if they've been sent to infiltrate, or if they've just been lucky enough to have been on the run for weeks, survived, and stumbled on a functioning community that didn't just kill them outright.

I'm interested to see if the time jump, new characters, and whisperers (I don't even know what that implies - and don't tell me) brings some new compelling plot lines to the show.  This first episode was fine, and I do love seeing Carol be a bad ass ;)

Dave, the show has diverted from the comics so much at this point, I wouldn't worry too much about spoilers.  I definitely see parallels between storylines and certain story arcs being moved to different characters, but it's more like the show is a what if version of the comics at this point.  That being said, I will definitely help you out with the requisite possible spoiler warnings when needed.

Overall, I liked last night's episode.  It looks like the cooperation between the communities has all but dissipated with the "death" of Rick Grimes.  I have a sinking feeling that Negan has one of Michonne's kidneys.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on November 12, 2018, 11:59 AM
I forgot how much I hate your immediately after each episode posts.

Don't read them then.

Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: GrandMoffNick on November 12, 2018, 01:12 PM
I forgot how much I hate your immediately after each episode posts.

Don't read them then.

That is some sound advice.

I will also say that I wouldn't be telling the truth if I said I didn't mean what I said but I could have been less of a douche about it
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt_Fury on November 19, 2018, 10:54 AM
So what we've learned from last night's episode:

- Maggie has left Hilltop and is running around with Georgie...most likely building the commonwealth.

- Darryl has been living like a hermit for 6 years, and has been looking for Rick, or at least his body.

- Michonne and Maggie had some sort of falling out, which apparently caused the 4 communities to isolate themselves.  Alexandria has isolated themselves even more than the Kingdom, Hilltop and Oceanside.

- Aaron and Jesus have started their own secret fight club....even my wife was wondering if they are going to kiss!

Pretty good episode last night.  Next week's should have a pretty good cliffhanger.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Dave on November 20, 2018, 09:33 AM
I'm interested to see what the "X" scars mean (don't tell me if you know from the comics).

Michonne showed one two weeks ago on her lower back, and Darryl had two that he showed this week - one on his lower back and one on his shoulder.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt_Fury on November 20, 2018, 11:10 AM
I have no clue what they are Dave....I don't believe they were in the comics.  At first I thought Michonne donated a Kidney to someone (Negan), but after seeing the scars on Darryl and his unwillingness to talk about them....I have no clue right now.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BillCable on November 20, 2018, 11:57 AM
Maybe Maggie cut them up.  Could be the reason the communities are disconnected.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Dave on November 20, 2018, 01:23 PM
Could be a form of punishment / public shaming for doing something wrong - kind of like a scarlet letter.  So far the only two people we've seen them on are non-Hilltoppers, although I thought Maggie and Darryl were supposed to be like minded on most things.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: GrandMoffNick on November 26, 2018, 12:00 AM
Come on Scockery, just cause one jerk commented about your posts doesn't mean you have to stop.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt_Fury on November 26, 2018, 10:49 AM
The mid-season finale was pretty good.  Pretty shocking at the end.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Chris M on November 26, 2018, 11:12 AM
Yeah, not a bad episode.

I don't really feel anything one way or another over the shocking part though.  I guess we'll see how that plays out.

There is a good part of me that wants to pick up TWD Compendium 2 and 3 and start reading to see what the deal is with the new group.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Rob on November 26, 2018, 11:16 AM
Yeah for real.  To me that was the best the show has been in a good long time.  Didn’t see the death coming, there was some real mystery.  The concept is freaking bizarre... the relationships are turned on their heads. 

Fingers crossed that this was the shakeup the show needed to be good again.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt_Fury on November 26, 2018, 01:01 PM
Going by character interactions....Michonne is definitely the reason the communities have isolated themselves.

Or at least Alexandria is isolated from the other communities.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BillCable on November 26, 2018, 01:33 PM
I'm mostly struck by how impractical it's gotta be to be a Whisperer.  I mean - you gotta pee like half a dozen times a day.  Do they just pee themselves?  Or do they do like... shifts?  "Distract the herd while I pop a squat over in those bushes."

And that's not to mention stuff like eating, drinking and sleeping.  Hell... just the meandering around for 12 straight hours is gonna be exhausting.  In the sun.  So they gotta have some sort of system to sub in and out of the herd every couple hours.  Which means the Whisperer camp needs to be really close to the herd.  Which doesn't make any sense, since they'd have been discovered by scouts sometime in that 6-year time jump.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Dave on November 30, 2018, 12:14 AM
Agreed.  I just don’t see how a roving person or group could effectively feed themselves ten years after the apocalypse without some serious hunting skills.  I would think all survivors would be holed up behind fences and farming. 

Roaming with zombies in tow probably wouldn’t give you much time to hunt, gather food, etc.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: GrandMoffNick on November 30, 2018, 12:26 AM
Why are we assuming they are a roaving group? They ended the mid season finale by saying "you shouldn't be here".

Sorry I've become quite quick to pounce on "criticism" with little to no information. Damn Star Wars fans.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BillCable on November 30, 2018, 07:43 AM
Why are we assuming they are a roaving group? They ended the mid season finale by saying "you shouldn't be here".

It's a herd they just discovered within walking distance of their bases.  What other option could there be?  Through supply runs and exploration, I can't imagine there's some hidden base they never accidentally stumbled across so close to where they live.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: GrandMoffNick on November 30, 2018, 08:26 AM
Feel free to correct my details but so far Rosita and Eugene on a special trip ran into them. Then Aaron and Jesus meeting up when they aren't supposed to / out looking for Eugene. Then Daryl who's a hermit. Also the groups seem somewhat relegated to NOT going out like they used to. Maybe the Whisperers community was set up a year ago sorta but not super close to the others and so Alexandria etc don't travel there anymore as they have no need.

Anyway I guess I don't find the need to question it especially since again we barely know anything about them yet. And still find it somewhat laughable when we want all plot decisions to fit into real world logic. I wish they'd all decide to travel super far away so it made sense there is another community they haven't met. Then there could be some crazy dude in charge they have to fight with because he wants their stuff. When are they gonna hit that storyline?

Or even better. They stay in their communities. And since no other community could exist close to them without them knowing we just watch episodes of them farming and scavaging.

In all seriousness they need some sort of "villain" OR an all out war between once upon a time allies. Even if we need to suspend belief some.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Chris M on November 30, 2018, 09:42 AM
Come on man, we got our "all out war" last season...and it wasn't much of a war at all.

Agreed though, we can't be applying real world logic to zombies.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Dave on December 1, 2018, 11:42 AM
I can see both sides.  Maybe they ventured further out than usual, but after 10+ years of living in the same spot you would think they would have run in to any organized group that is within a day's walk from their cities.  Granted people masquerading as zombies probably wouldn't have been obviously found, but this would have been a lot more plausible 10 years earlier in the plot line.

Either way, its a zombie flick where logic isn't always great. 

I'm still assuming the Whisperers must have their own community with farming, etc. and somehow noticed Eugene and Rosita, grabbed their zombie herd and chased them down.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: JediJman on December 11, 2018, 12:03 AM
I love the whisperers.  I was fooled by the comic as well and worried that they were going to make zombies evolve or something stupid.  IIRC, they're just wearing zombie facemasks with clothes splattered in zombie guts.  So it wouldn't be hard for a lone zombie to wander off a little for bathroom time.  I believe they also keep the masks on all the time - its a big deal for them to show their actual faces.  Keep in mind, all the current townships have methods of steering herds where they want them to go.  That task would be just as easy - if not easier for the whisperers.  You could have your camp anywhere and just use scouts in shifts to drive herds where you want them.  Maybe they even use them for protection in place of walls.  Also, keep in mind that these communities are not that big.  I don't think it would be that hard for a group to set up 5-10 miles away from you without you ever knowing they were there. 
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Tracy on February 10, 2019, 07:11 PM
Every time I think of TWD premier tonight - I keep hearing Wash’s voice in my head “Do we care? Are we caring about that?”
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: GrandMoffNick on February 11, 2019, 12:04 AM
I still think this season has got the show back on track
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt_Fury on February 11, 2019, 11:08 AM
Pretty good episode last night.  The Negan storyline was a bit different from what I expected.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt_Fury on February 18, 2019, 11:25 AM
Bit of a slow episode last night...but it's needed to develop some of the new characters.

Glad to see some people are still making stupid decision in TWD universe.

Also, love the look of Alpha....they nailed it!
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: GrandMoffNick on February 18, 2019, 11:52 AM
I really liked it. Loved Alpha. Thought it needed to be slow to sell Lydia and Alpha
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt_Fury on February 18, 2019, 12:49 PM
I really liked it. Loved Alpha. Thought it needed to be slow to sell Lydia and Alpha

Totally get why the episode was the way it was.

**Possible Spoilers**
























I liked how they handled Lydia's flashbacks to show how her mother had manipulated her throughout the early days of the apocalypse.

























**
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Chris M on February 25, 2019, 09:26 AM
I don't have DVR since we've just about cut the cord, so I watch on Monday morning through the app.  I watched this morning after I got up.


Slllllllllllllooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooowwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww.

I know it's plot development, but goodness, almost the entire episode involved standing in front of Hilltop. 

Oh yeah...and everyone got a case of the conscience.  I know it'll develop, but I just wasn't drawn in, so I'm being grumpy.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Dave on February 25, 2019, 09:43 AM
This whole show is getting goofier.

We're ten years in to the zombie apocalypse and the fact that Henry is falling in love in one day with some random person when there is a small army outside the walls that just killed Jesus?

I didn't read the comic, but I'm still annoyed that a roving group (The Whisperers) can get enough food and water to survive 10 years in.  Nobody in The Whisperers has so much as a fanny pack with a water bottle much less a backpack filled with essentials.

I really hope they don't continue to let this show die a slow death.  They should figure out how many episodes they've got left (1-2 seasons) and write a compelling story line and wrap this thing up.  the actors that play Maggie and Rick both got bored and moved on.  I'm almost at that point too.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: GrandMoffNick on February 25, 2019, 10:45 AM
Teenagers getting crushes doesn't bother me. Carl did it with her in the comics and it was fine then too.

Still don't know why we've decided The Whispers can't have a camp. And I like the idea of the Whisperers so I just can't get worked up on how they get their food. I'll just assume it makes sense.

After two seasons of being let down I really like this season.

Ratings wise they should probably consider their end game different than the comics. But I also think it probably ends super opened ended so I think they have some room to wiggle
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt_Fury on February 25, 2019, 11:07 AM
The whisperers are lvl 10 foragers (last week's scene of Lydia eating the worm was the establishment of that).  I don't remember if they have a camp per se, but they live like the animals....animals do survive in the wild even 10 years into the zombie apocalypse.

One scene I really liked last night was when the deaf chick saved the baby.  The way they muted the sound to put it all in her perspective was pretty cool!

Also, Darryl, Tara and Michonne have alluded to something bad happening between the communities after Rick "died" causing the current situation.  I'm hoping there will be a larger flashback this season explaining what happened and how Michonne and Darryl ended up so scarred.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BillCable on February 25, 2019, 02:36 PM
I thought there was a good level of tension throughout the episode.  I was afraid that Jerry was going to bite it on the theater mission just because of the way they started the show.  The fact that they got away with so many stupid decisions scott-free was surprising.  I guess it speaks to their overall competence multiple-years post-apocalypse.  What's 30 zombies matter?  Barely break a sweat.  At any rate, it had me on the edge of my seat.

The whole Whisperer thing is still monumentally stupid.  Must be tons of potable standing water near the herds they hang out with.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Dave on February 25, 2019, 02:51 PM
The whole Whisperer thing is still monumentally stupid.  Must be tons of potable standing water near the herds they hang out with.

Looked like Negan got sick after one drink of surface water a couple of weeks ago, but these guys seem to have it down pat.  It'd suck to keep following a heard with dysentery running out your backside from a breakfast of worms and muddy pond water. 
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt_Fury on February 25, 2019, 03:22 PM
I was afraid that Jerry was going to bite it on the theater mission just because of the way they started the show. 

When that happened, I immediately turned to my wife and said, "whelp....he's a goner!".  Only to find out the entire scene was a flashback.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: GrandMoffNick on February 25, 2019, 03:33 PM
Why can't they have a camp somewhere near the herds to get water at?

Don't answer.

I'll just keep being the sucker who buys anything.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jedi Idej on February 27, 2019, 01:36 AM
1) I would seriously be afraid if I came across Alpha in a zombie apocalypse.

2) I can see the whisperers developing  immunity to bacteria they're constantly exposed to... if they don't die from dysentery first.

3) I thought Alpha said something about the walking dead crew going to their territory. So are the baddies nomads or do they have a base? And if the cemetery is part of their home turf, how is this the first time everyone's bumped into each other in 6+ years?

4) Latex gloves that haven't deteriorated 10 years in? Ok, that was a nitpick, but it did get me to thinking: Why aren't there more kids? Vinegar-soaked cloth? Fish bladders? Honey and crocodile dung?
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt_Fury on February 27, 2019, 11:00 AM
3) I thought Alpha said something about the walking dead crew going to their territory. So are the baddies nomads or do they have a base? And if the cemetery is part of their home turf, how is this the first time everyone's bumped into each other in 6+ years?

If you saw the symbol on the street sign when the folks from the Kingdom were leaving the theater, that's a symbol to mark the territory of the Whisperers.  My guess is that the Whisperers moved into the area with the herd sometime after the communities cut themselves off from one another, so they've gone relatively unnoticed until now.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt_Fury on March 4, 2019, 11:15 AM
Pretty good episode last night, good insight into how the Whisperers live.

I like how they are portraying Beta.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Dave on March 4, 2019, 12:57 PM
When are we going to finally find out about Michonne and Daryl's scars, and why there was a breakup between the different communities?  They've been dragging this plot point out all season long.
 

Are they going to wait for the fair episode and bring that all in to the mix?
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt_Fury on March 4, 2019, 01:38 PM
When are we going to finally find out about Michonne and Daryl's scars, and why there was a breakup between the different communities?  They've been dragging this plot point out all season long.
 

Are they going to wait for the fair episode and bring that all in to the mix?

I'm sure it's coming....my guess is either the season finale, or the episode before that.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: GrandMoffNick on March 11, 2019, 12:21 PM
I thought that episode was a dud.

Wouldn't Lydia tell you what Beta looked like and then Daryl coulda just shot the tall zombie instead of a random one?

And would they really just let the Highway Men have access to the fair because they agreed to a deal over a movie?
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt_Fury on March 11, 2019, 12:28 PM
I thought that episode was a dud.

Wouldn't Lydia tell you what Beta looked like and then Daryl coulda just shot the tall zombie instead of a random one?

And would they really just let the Highway Men have access to the fair because they agreed to a deal over a movie?

They had a plan to separate the Whisperers from their walkers....it wasn't just about getting Beta.

I kinda liked the highwaymen storyline....especially the throwaway line by Carol about the splinter group of saviors not being a problem anymore.  :D
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: GrandMoffNick on March 11, 2019, 12:49 PM
I still would have taken my opportunity to kill Beta.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Dave on March 11, 2019, 01:40 PM
I know its a zombie apocalypse show, so I need to suspend disbelief, but I'm continuously annoyed by new groups popping up just down the road that nobody has encountered before. 

We're ten years in to an apocalypse and large organized groups like The Whisperers and The Highwaymen just appear within a days walk of The Kingdom / Alexandria / Hilltop, etc.  How were these groups never found during scavenging missions, destroyed/assimilated by The Saviors, or just died off through attrition (no doctors, etc.).  I can probably buy Magna's small transient group just wandering in to the area, although not stashing bottled water in a warehouse if they're perpetually on the move.  I could maybe buy it if The Whisperers were a transient group following a herd, but they're marking territory that they feel they own so they must not be venturing all that far.

I know they need some level of conflict to drive the plot, but I would hope that they could find something more logical and creative then what they're doing now.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt_Fury on March 11, 2019, 03:39 PM
I still would have taken my opportunity to kill Beta.

About halfway through the fight...I bet Darryl agreed with you!
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt_Fury on March 18, 2019, 10:52 AM
Did anyone else notice that the commercials were kind of screwing with the episode last night?  There were definitely some scenes that got cut because of odd commercial placement.  I ended up recording a later viewing to make sure I didn't miss anything.  I saw all the major plot points though....overall a good episode.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BillCable on March 18, 2019, 01:47 PM
It was great seeing Rutina Wesley!  I used to love her in True Blood.

Pretty satisfying explanation for the scars and Michonne's paranoia. 
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt_Fury on March 18, 2019, 05:39 PM
Pretty satisfying explanation for the scars and Michonne's paranoia.

I totally agree...especially since that all happened approximately 6 months after Rick "Died".
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Dave on March 20, 2019, 09:23 AM
Pretty satisfying explanation for the scars and Michonne's paranoia.

I totally agree...especially since that all happened approximately 6 months after Rick "Died".

I don't get it at all, and really didn't care for the episode.

They teased "X" scars all season and it comes down to a single lady and a bunch of kids gaining confidence, stealing food and not guns, capturing, and then branding people???  WTF???   What were they going to do next, just let them go with brands on them?  Torture them to death?  What was the point of the branding other than to get the kids to be mean?  Why not just have them slit their throats?

I was totally let down by the "X" scars and how Michonne is no longer willing to trust outsiders.  Maybe this plot line needed to be more than one episode, or maybe it just needed to be better.

I'm not even going to get in to my usual rant about how a single lady and a bunch of kids could survive unnoticed within easy walking distance of Alexandria for years and not be killed/absorbed by The Saviors, zombies, or starvation.

I don't know if these guys are running out of ideas or good writers, or both.  It seems like the story lines made a lot more sense in previous seasons.

I too was annoyed by the 20 second bits set in the middle of a commercial break.  At first I thought there was a problem with the broadcast, and then just realized they were doing something weird.  Is that supposed to force us to watch the commercials more?
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: GrandMoffNick on March 20, 2019, 09:36 AM
I thought the logic of the branding was weird. But I guess the purpose was to give us a physical something to see all season and then wonder about.

I'm on board with liking the explanation of why Michonne would shut down her community. I thought they nailed that.

And lastly to Dave again, man you and I are on such different pages on this. I think the show would be really boring without other people surviving. And if the only groups that can survive are supposed to fit into some wilderness savy, survival savy, adults, etc etc etc whatever, then that sounds boring too.

My standards are too low maybe, but what we need our logic in a TV show about the zombie apocalypse to fit is so different. I'm glad I don't watch this show with those glasses on.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Dave on March 20, 2019, 11:47 AM
And lastly to Dave again, man you and I are on such different pages on this. I think the show would be really boring without other people surviving. And if the only groups that can survive are supposed to fit into some wilderness savy, survival savy, adults, etc etc etc whatever, then that sounds boring too.

I totally agree that for the show to be interesting they need to have external conflict - zombies, wildlife, nature, new groups, etc.  Internal conflict is kind of boring - e.g. Maggie arguing with Michonne.

The part that bothers me is that we've seen some highly organized and heavily armed groups (The Saviors, Terminus, The Governor's group, etc.) get destroyed through conflict.  And any groups that wandered in to their sphere were quickly wiped out/assimilated. 

My ask is that any outside group that has managed to survive for five+ years needs to really have their act together.  Especially if its a large group - e.g. The Whisperers, Highwaymen, etc.

Ultimately I'd like to see some more creativity around the threats.  And it still bugs me that you can walk for a few hours and find a whole new group that is threatening yours that you never new existed, even though you've been there for 10 years.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: GrandMoffNick on March 20, 2019, 11:51 AM
I still don't fully agree but fair enough
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt_Fury on March 20, 2019, 01:13 PM
And lastly to Dave again, man you and I are on such different pages on this. I think the show would be really boring without other people surviving. And if the only groups that can survive are supposed to fit into some wilderness savy, survival savy, adults, etc etc etc whatever, then that sounds boring too.

I totally agree that for the show to be interesting they need to have external conflict - zombies, wildlife, nature, new groups, etc.  Internal conflict is kind of boring - e.g. Maggie arguing with Michonne.

The part that bothers me is that we've seen some highly organized and heavily armed groups (The Saviors, Terminus, The Governor's group, etc.) get destroyed through conflict.  And any groups that wandered in to their sphere were quickly wiped out/assimilated. 

My ask is that any outside group that has managed to survive for five+ years needs to really have their act together.  Especially if its a large group - e.g. The Whisperers, Highwaymen, etc.

Ultimately I'd like to see some more creativity around the threats.  And it still bugs me that you can walk for a few hours and find a whole new group that is threatening yours that you never new existed, even though you've been there for 10 years.

Have the been there all along, or did they wander in?

My take on Jocilyn's group of wayward murderers were nomadic and they have been on the move for most of the apocalypse.  they just recently wandered into the Alexandria/Hilltop/Kingdom sphere of influence.  It's a similar situation with the Whisperers....they move with the herd and set up camps along the way.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Rob on March 20, 2019, 04:22 PM
I just wish zombies were a real problem again...

Although ten years in, the number of people who can be turned into zombies is always getting less and the number of zombies that survivors have killed is always going up.  You'd think at some point the zombie part of the apocalypse would end.  And yeah I know that even when you die no matter how you zombi-fy and can start another outbreak... but I'd like to see a world where the mechanics of how all this happened in the first place were explored and discovered...
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Dave on March 20, 2019, 05:29 PM
It's a similar situation with the Whisperers....they move with the herd and set up camps along the way.

I agree in principle, but the writer's execution doesn't make much sense.  Just sloppy writing.

If The Whisperers are moving with a herd for protection, then why mark their territory (and bother to carry spray paint with them) and why initiate dangerous contact with other living people?  Why bother to chase down Eugene and Rosita?

I think the writers could have made it a lot simpler (and logical) by having The Whisperers move through, have there be a random encounter that leads to Lydia being caught and semi-absorbed in to The Hilltop/Kingdom/Alexandria crew, and let the Lydia/Henry love story get messy like it is?  If they want to make it personal and an all out war from there, then great.

I know its a zombie apocalypse show, but ideally the story lines make more sense, and ideally there is a larger story line - e.g. build communities, find a cure, etc.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt_Fury on March 20, 2019, 05:54 PM
If The Whisperers are moving with a herd for protection, then why mark their territory (and bother to carry spray paint with them) and why initiate dangerous contact with other living people?  Why bother to chase down Eugene and Rosita?

It was the Highwaymen that were marking the signs....I missed that too at first.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Dave on March 21, 2019, 08:32 AM
I'll be interested to see if The Highwaymen are anything more than canon fodder for the coming conflict with The Whisperers.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt_Fury on March 21, 2019, 10:37 AM
Possibly, they've kind of taken up the role of the Saviors since Carol wiped them out.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on March 24, 2019, 11:52 PM
Wow. Not having read the comic past the fall of the prison...was not expecting that.  Episode began brutal and ended brutal.

Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: GrandMoffNick on March 25, 2019, 12:24 AM
I'm still taking it all in.

On a personal note that was the last comic I have read (not all the same deaths of course). I'm kinda excited to be more in the dark.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt_Fury on March 25, 2019, 12:44 AM
Check your DVRs....if it only recorded for 1 hour and 2 minutes, you didn’t get the whole episode!
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: GrandMoffNick on March 25, 2019, 12:50 AM
Yeah my cable guide said it was one hour. But I noticed the replays we're almost an hour and a half so saved myself a headache there.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt_Fury on March 25, 2019, 10:52 AM
I stayed up to watch the second airing (can't watch the first airing because it comes on at 7pm Mountain time and don't want my kids watching it) and even though I knew what was coming (not the who) it was crazy to watch.  The best part is that my wife had no clue what was coming, so it was like my own little GoT Red Wedding moment.


Don't read below if you haven't seen the show, I also am going to compare with the moment in the comics.



I fully expected Enid's head to be on that pike....I also thought Luke would've been on there, or at least someone from that group (possibly Connie or Kelly after their interaction at the fair), but that didn't happen.  The real shocking one for me was Henry, I thought they were going to go the comic route and have it be Ezekiel.  I also was a bit surprised that Rosita survived (she didn't in the comic).

Also, the whole scenario went down quite differently in the comic than in the show....not necessarily a bad thing.  Watching how it went down in the show, with how Siddiq described everything, we have to assume more whisperers were at the fair and abducting people.  In the comic, it was Alpha walking around and talking with people (no one had seen her face in the comics at this point), and although not shown in the comic, it was easy to assume she personally killed each person and then took their heads.  There's no way that she could just take each person from the fair to another location tie them up and kill them en masse.  Not a major sticking point to me, but other than those other two we saw at the end of last week's episode, there's no evidence of any other whisperers at the fair.  That makes me curious to see what scenes were cut from the episode.

The last two weeks have been some of the best episodes of the show IMHO.  I'm glad that the show can still surprise me, that should happen more often because we are nearing the point where I stopped reading the comics.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BrentS on March 25, 2019, 12:44 PM
Yea, I haven't read the comics since the end of the Governor's days... so I'm way behind and I've enjoyed being in the dark.   I didn't see that ending coming and it was really well done.  This has been an interesting season and I feel like the show is less predictable now.  I'm looking forward to seeing what happens next week.

On a side note... I'm a little annoyed with the broadcast the last two weeks.  Last week, there were issues with commercials randomly showing up and truncating some of episode.  This one was only an hour in the DVR.  I'm glad I was watchin live so that I didn't actually miss anything.  I haven't watched a live episode in months (maybe this whole season!).  So I'm glad I didn't miss the end.

Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on March 25, 2019, 09:26 PM
I was wondering if Siddiq didn't make up that story to give their deaths more dignity and to inspire people, but the show people say he was telling the truth.

Henry was the season's fake out new cast member, more so than Everybody Hate Chris (forget his name) from season 5.

Carol and her kid curse...ouch.

Hilltop leadership curse, too.

Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Dave on March 26, 2019, 09:41 AM
I generally liked the episode and the conflict that now exists, although I guess I'm still not entirely sold on how a transient group thinks fighting for territory is a good idea, especially when their camp is just a spot in the woods.  That's gotta suck with the snow starting to fall.

I'm just hoping Carol rekindles her bad ass side and takes The Whisperers apart. 
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Chris M on March 26, 2019, 12:28 PM
Pretty good episode I thought.

First, I hope to see Carol "baking cookies" again.  I'm not a fan of passive Carol.

I'm wondering what is the point of the Whispers still.  I mean, they go into a community, kidnap, and kill...and yet, nobody knew these people disappeared.  Kind of weird, but I guess it doesn't matter because it'll drive the story.

I think Darryl is more apt to use violence than Rick.  Hopefully we'll actually see real conflict this time and not a bunch of wait and see what happens.  On that note, I wonder where Negan is in all of this?  I wonder what he's up to and what role he will eventually play.  Perhaps he's going to go the road of Michonne and have a true change of heart and that's the entire reason we saw that episode that focused on her thought process.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on March 31, 2019, 10:43 PM
Finale.

That was a way to end to the season.

The snow stuff was different, yet the episode was sort of mundane.  Not bad...just there.

Why was Michonne still at the Kingdom? So Negan could have his moment!

They left the wagon horses to die at Sanctuary? If they were gonna do that, then they could've slaughtered them and lasted days longer.

The HAM radio ending thing was what I expected last season when the Sanctuary doctor and Gabriel came across that shack in the woods.  And they sort of stole that from vintage  Battlestar Galactica The Eagle Has Landed...and the earlier time jump(s) from NuBSG.  LOL.

At least it wasn't RICK on the radio...they could retcon it into being so.

Hey, remember the deleted scene of Dale listening to some crazy preacher guy way back in season...2?
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: GrandMoffNick on April 1, 2019, 12:08 AM
I have some nitpicking stuff that I'll leave alone. I liked the episode as episode 6 in a season. Not as season finale. Not sure what else to say.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: BillCable on April 1, 2019, 08:31 AM
That was one of the dumbest episodes of the entire season.

You put a half a dozen people in a room, any room, that's sealed off from wind, and those people will be warm.  Even with no fire.  Even if it's 10 degrees outside.  You wouldn't even need to huddle up.  After a while you may even feel the need to crack a window.  So the idea that you'd need to rope-line through a storm to get to a house with a fireplace is just laughable.

People can survive for WEEKS without food.  So if you're caravan has one day of food left and you're sheltered and you're in the middle of a blizzard, you tighten your belts and ration.  Wait until the storm blows over.  If the roads are then impassable, you send out a small group to get supplies from the way station.  And you wait.  You don't venture out in the storm and abandon your horses (probably the most important asset you possess) just to try to get somewhere else.  That's just stupid.

And on top of it all, while we have everyone from Alexandria and the Kingdom FREEZING TO DEATH despite having shelter and blankets, somehow the Whispers who don't even have coats and are out in the open, are completely unaffected.  They even became "stronger."

I was pissed off through almost every minute of that finale.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt_Fury on April 1, 2019, 10:52 AM
Arguably the weakest episode of the season...which is highlighted by last week's episode being so good!

Still, it did set up a lot for next season.  We noticed that the Whisperers migrate, zombies can freeze, and I think that was Jadis on the radio at the end.

Honestly, this episode just made me more eager for Game of Thrones.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Chris M on April 2, 2019, 11:25 AM


...I think that was Jadis on the radio at the end.



That's what I thought.  And I guess that also leaves open the door for the return of Rick.

Possible spoiler below.




















































I saw a story that said Andrew Lincoln may direct an episode or two next season.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt_Fury on April 2, 2019, 11:52 AM
I don't think you'll see Rick in TWD until they are wrapping up the series.  That being said, hints of him still being alive (voices on the radio, something in FTWD because season 5 is supposed to have a set-up for the movie coming out in 2020, etc) are completely on the table.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Dave on April 2, 2019, 04:37 PM
You put a half a dozen people in a room, any room, that's sealed off from wind, and those people will be warm.  Even with no fire.  Even if it's 10 degrees outside.  You wouldn't even need to huddle up.  After a while you may even feel the need to crack a window.  So the idea that you'd need to rope-line through a storm to get to a house with a fireplace is just laughable.

My wife and I were cracking up about this.  We live in Minnesota and just assumed all the writers are from LA or Florida or something and have no idea what a real snowstorm is like.  Somehow they've transposed a Category 4 hurricane at night with a light blizzard in small walled community where you've lived for the past 10 years.

I've always wondered how you would explain zombies surviving a hard freeze.  In theory you would think a solid freeze would fracture some of their bones and frostbite all of their muscle/flesh off and essentially kill them (hard to walk when all your leg muscles are gone and femur is fractured).

I was kind of hoping for a battle in the snow where all the herd zombies were frozen and easy to kill and The Whisperers were the only ones still moving with parkas on.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt_Fury on April 2, 2019, 05:23 PM
We just went through that Bomb Cyclone here in Colorado (lowest recorded barometric pressure on record in Colorado Springs with 96 mph winds recorded at the airport!).  The storm obviously wasn't that bad on the show, but that was all I could think about when watching!

My wife was wondering why some of the zombies were frozen solid but some were able to come out of the snow and attack.  I was able to drop some Arctic Survival School knowledge about how the zombies under the snow were actually more insulated and the ground would keep them warmer for a time!


I'm such a nerd.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Rob on April 2, 2019, 10:52 PM
Did I miss an episode or something?  Last week was ten heads on pikes and this one fast forwards past some epic battle that has our heroes abandoning their towns / strongholds?  I was confused as hell expecting us to jump back to this big battle where we see how mean and nasty Alpha can be, and then it was just alluded to in one shot of her being whipped by Beta?
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt_Fury on April 2, 2019, 11:34 PM
You didn't miss anything.  There was a time jump of a month or so, and the boiler that has been a constant problem for the Kingdom lately finally blew.  The damage ruined a lot of the Kingdom, and with winter at their doorstep, they needed to abandon the area and find better shelter.

The Whisperers had actually migrated South to warmer weather...but I agree, that scene was weird.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Rob on April 2, 2019, 11:36 PM
See, that’s what I get for futzing around on my iPad while I watch these shows... I missed a few details and was expecting the storm to be a battle... so I drew the wrong conclusion...

Thanks for clearing it up. 
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: JediJman on April 4, 2019, 11:44 AM
That was a disappointing finale in many ways.  I think having such a good episode last week probably bumped up my expectations, but there was a lot wrong with this that could have been easily fixed.  I guess previous winters were more mild?  I still would not have left horses and supplies behind as others said.  Eat one and see if the storm breaks the next day or two (which it apparently did).  Or get everyone across the river, then have one or two people lead the horses across.  If the river can support 20 people at a time, it can support a horse.  That would have potentially sped up their travel on the other side or at least allowed them to send someone ahead for help.  And why didn't they check out the Sanctuary living quarters?  Weren't there tons of rooms with beds and blankets?  They might have found more supplies or stuff to burn in that big open area to stay warmer.  The people tethered on the rope through the storm was pretty silly as well.

Putting all that aside, my biggest complaint is how they treated Negan.  Makes sense to let him out to save his life, but wouldn't you assign a few people to guard him and wouldn't everyone short of Judith be a little on edge?  He was treated like a grumpy uncle, not a prisoner who viciously beat people to death.  They moved too fast into acceptance of him for my taste. 

I may have missed it, but is there any good reason the Kingdom never has supplies, while the Hilltop and Alexandria do? Can they not grow food there or is it more remote, so they can't scavenge?  Its a convenient plot line I guess, but would be nice to have some rationale why they would leave a virtual fortress, especially in Winter.

Does anyone else find the whole Rosita baby drama confusing and distracting?  Eugene constantly pines for her, she's with weird-eye Gabe, but Siddiq is the baby's real father?  What?  In the comics, pregnant Rosita is one of Alpha's border-marked-head kills.  Would have been nice to go that route and keep Henry around, so that Lydia would have some purpose. 

The remaining group of survivors is really weird.  Michonne, Negan, Daryl, and Judith are solid, but that's a pretty small core of good characters.  Losing Jesus, Rick, Carl, Henry, Tara, Maggie (kinda), Morgan, and Andrea (a much bigger factor in the comics) has made the story more bland for me.  I don't really care as much about the others or the new group, which felt really forced. 

The one thing I really did like in this episode was the verbalization of why it was so easy for Alpha to slip in undetected.  Its a party with a lot of unknown people from the various communities, so one more unknown person wouldn't be too far fetched.  There may have been others with Alpha that they just didn't show - who would know with all the extras running around.  It was nice that they closed the loop on the theme of separation that kicked the season off so oddly.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on April 6, 2019, 08:06 PM
The Kingdom used to get by being extorted by the Saviors. So that was never clear about their food situation. It seemed to be like Oceanside was the place that would suffer the seasons the most.

It was very uneven season. The build up to Rick's exit felt like that, a build up. The new arrivals threw the show off for a while, as did Michonne being a jerk after the time jump (the flashback episode revealing why was a bit absurd....that her old friend not only survived years into the apocalypse but shows up in Alexandria!).  Did anyone care about Gabriel's love life? Precocious Judith teetered on silliness.  Alpha's flashback origin was bad...thankfully her character does feel threatening now. Enid and Tara felt like such bit players that it seems less surprising they got the axe after the fact.  Henry's arc was sort of a clever fake out yet also investment in a doomed character that replaced a character that should be alive (Carl).

Post-Lincoln, Reedus and McBride carried it.  Payton did okay, but got saddled with being the jealous husband in the finale. 
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: GrandMoffNick on October 6, 2019, 08:40 PM
I had no idea this started up again tonight
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on October 7, 2019, 01:17 AM
"You know you should've killed that..."

Russian satellite that was causing the dead to rise fell out of the sky. Show is over.  I was kind of surprised this entire season is going to be a flashback.

Yeah, that would negate the next spin-off... Walking Deadgrassi the Next Generation.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Dave on October 7, 2019, 09:21 AM
What is the distance between Alexandria and Oceanside?  I had assumed this was a couple day walk.

How did the Alexandria crew make it to the satellite (which I assumed landed fairly close to Oceanside) so quickly to help put out the fires?
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Rob on October 7, 2019, 04:30 PM
I hope that Satellite does change something up... 10 years (or whatever) after the outbreak, it's getting less and less believable that there are any walkers at all.  They need to change this show into something where it's not just rival groups fighting each other.  That was fun for 3 or 4 seasons, but it's so completely stale...
 
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on October 7, 2019, 11:11 PM
I'm of the mind they need to have Rick pick up the kids and Michonne, then kill everyone off besides Carol, Daryl and the dog.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Chris M on October 11, 2019, 08:42 AM
I finished watching online this morning. 

Meh...

No real "new" storylines created.  We'll see what happens, but it's starting to grow stale with me.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt_Fury on October 11, 2019, 10:12 AM
I'm still hoping to see the cast of FTWD show up on TWD as walkers.  TWD is far enough ahead in time for them to shamble their way to Alexandria!
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on October 14, 2019, 01:10 AM
Grind whatever is going on to  halt and do an episode about crazy evil people. They introduce us to new Gamma (not enough Whisperer characters, I guess), and resolve what happened to abandoned baby's mamma.  Negan never got an origin episode, nor did the Governor (he did get two solo episodes), but more Whisperer origins for better or worse.  End where the last episode ended...they've done this sort of thing before and it slows things down. Was it early season 6 where a 24 hour period is covered by some 7 episodes?
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Chris M on October 14, 2019, 09:00 AM
You know, it used to be I'd stop everything else I was doing when this show came on.  Now, I'm working on other stuff while it's on and I'm finding that I'm not missing anything.

I hate to sit and bitch every time this show is on, but I've watched for 9 seasons, so I guess I want to know how it ends.  Again, is any of this creating a storyline, or is it just a filler episode early in the season?  Is it a flashback episode, filled with flashbacks, or is it a "current timeline" episode?

So whatever, I guess the Whispers will be built up to be the next super-bad guy and we'll have an "epic" war that lasts all of 5 minutes and ends in an anti-climactic scene.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Dave on October 14, 2019, 09:03 AM
Yeah, not a very interesting start to the season. 

Season premier was fighting a forest fire.   

Second episode is an origin story for beta and gamma that I'm not sure really helped move the story along.  I'm not sure how believable the Beta origin story even is.  He seems fairly intelligent and a stable leader for The Whisperers, yet was found in a nuthouse where he appears to have spent significant time as a patient.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: GrandMoffNick on October 14, 2019, 11:00 AM
I agree it's been awhile since I was counting down the minutes to this show. That being said the list of shows, especially dramas, that are still super riveting and clever after five six etc years isn't very long. I guess I just don't have that high of expectations anymore. Which doesn't mean it couldn't be better. In the end all the comic is is them moving from "bad guys" to next group of "bad guys".

Out of curiosity what do people want them to do otherwise? An hour and a half movie with humans vs zombies is one thing. But a show solely about that would get stale fast as well.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Dave on October 14, 2019, 11:46 AM
Out of curiosity what do people want them to do otherwise? An hour and a half movie with humans vs zombies is one thing. But a show solely about that would get stale fast as well.

I've not read the comics, so my thoughts don't have anything to do with "being true to the comics".

First off, I'd like to see a little more action.  If there is going to be conflict between The Whisperers and Alexandria et. al. I would like to see some of the conflict.

Second, I'd like to see a larger story arc.  Maybe something around community building, or finding the helicopter people and creating a vaccine.

I still somewhat enjoy the show, but it seems to have lost a lot of the suspense and interest that it had managed to create over the first five seasons.  Maybe there are too many characters, or the writing/pacing has changed, but it needs to either wrap things up or revitalize the story.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on October 15, 2019, 12:32 AM
I thought the show was better when they were on the move, but so much time has passed that in-universe that that doesn't work.

I just flat out don't care about the characters besides Carol and Daryl.  Killing Carl was big mistake. I'm curious to see where Michonne goes, this being her last season.  The rest are a big "Meh."

And it really lives or dies by the characters. The basic undead apocalypse premise wears thin over time because in the end either some form of human civilization is restored, gradually retaking the world or everyone dies.  It's not a genre than has that much life. Heh. 
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: GrandMoffNick on October 15, 2019, 10:05 AM
I agree it is better when they are on the move, but also think this far into the apocalypse that building communities is what people would be doing. Again I think we are getting what you get from 10 years of a show.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Rob on October 15, 2019, 12:33 PM
I agree it is better when they are on the move, but also think this far into the apocalypse that building communities is what people would be doing. Again I think we are getting what you get from 10 years of a show.

I for one would like to see a community get built and have the danger be from something other than some other community of ********. 

Have the sickness evolve, have animals start zombifying... have aliens land... have them find a whole city where there's a massive police state built around total security where they have technology and heavy weaponry... ANYTHING other than "good guys build a city, bad guys show up to fight them."
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on October 17, 2019, 02:16 PM
When animals start zombifying, it's all over. All it takes is an undead mosquito biting you.  Even just vertebrates, remember Resident Evil 3's murder of crows attacking?  You cannot survive that...except in the deep Arctic, where you'd just freeze to death.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Rob on October 17, 2019, 02:31 PM
When animals start zombifying, it's all over.

So, it's exactly what the show needs then?!
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt_Fury on October 18, 2019, 11:52 AM
Other than Resident Evil, I don’t think I’ve seen the zombification virus jump species.


Well, there’s the chemical in Return of the Living Dead, but those are more comedies.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: JediJman on October 20, 2019, 05:53 PM
Out of curiosity what do people want them to do otherwise? An hour and a half movie with humans vs zombies is one thing. But a show solely about that would get stale fast as well.

I've not read the comics, so my thoughts don't have anything to do with "being true to the comics".

First off, I'd like to see a little more action.  If there is going to be conflict between The Whisperers and Alexandria et. al. I would like to see some of the conflict.

Second, I'd like to see a larger story arc.  Maybe something around community building, or finding the helicopter people and creating a vaccine.

I still somewhat enjoy the show, but it seems to have lost a lot of the suspense and interest that it had managed to create over the first five seasons.  Maybe there are too many characters, or the writing/pacing has changed, but it needs to either wrap things up or revitalize the story.

Finally caught up on the last two episodes and like others, thought they were pretty 'meh.'  I wouldn't mind these so much if I thought they were building to something, but there wasn't anything very telling about Beta.  Was he even a patient or was the "friend" he had locked up the patient?  That was really poorly executed in my opinion. Outside of seeing how crazy Alpha is, it didn't do anything to build her character or her daughter's.  I also didn't really get the "sisters" storyline.  The surviving sister has no remorse?  And the dead one survived Alpha just to get eaten later?  Feels like too much filler.

There is some cool stuff coming - the whisperers have a battle tactic that other baddies haven't used, but they're taking too long to get to it.  And Rick's whereabouts are taking too long as well.  I think there's a whole different angle of storytelling if/when they can get to that.  Seems like too far away at the pace they're currently going though.

I know the concept is that anyone could die at any time, but they've gotten rid of too many of the characters people care about.  Rick, Carl, Maggie, Glenn, Jesus...I know people still cheer on Daryl, Carol, and Michone, but I could care less about almost all the other survivors.  And they were already at a disadvantage taking out richer characters like Andrea, Hershel, and Dale too early on.  I'm not sure they'll get to tell a complete story at this point unless they can get back to some remotely compelling storytelling.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on October 21, 2019, 12:58 AM
Tonite, Carol goes pill popping overload and what was real and what wasn't? I'm betting none of this has been real, and the whole apocalypse never happened she's still on the boat. No, really, she's in a mental hospital for killing her abusive husband confusing me. I'm terribly vexed.

Also, Michonne sending Carol to confront Alpha was STUPID.  She just wants to talk, so let's send someone who'd get us all killed to kill Alpha.

Michonne didn't mention the evidence they found that the Whisperers broke the border, too.

Totally a spy somewhere in the good guys' camp for them to know about the winter crossing.

Aaron and Negan...a new shipping couple?

Rosita and Eugene, a non-shipping couple?

Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Chris M on October 22, 2019, 08:15 AM
Well, the AMC app was giving me fits so I missed like the last two minutes.  Did I miss anything?

As for the episode, Alpha is creepy, and she shows mercy because of context.  Carol likes to stay hyped up and sees stuff.

Some other stuff happened.  People talked.  Negan and Aaron went for a nature walk.  Some other stuff happened.

Filler episode?  Or just what did I watch?
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Dave on October 22, 2019, 09:08 AM
Some of the plot devices they use to drive the story are really weak.

Aaron and Negan go out together and stand in the woods to fight walkers as a team of two.   There is no logic behind this.  Its done so they can have a one-on-one conversation about their feelings to humanize Negan a bit more.  It chewed up about 10 minutes of time.  I'm not sure exactly what they're trying to set up (Negan being an accepted part of the crew or maybe he's going to get killed) or if they're just filling time. 

I miss the days of Rick where he would have just gone and whipped The Whisperers in an ambush.  Negan's crew was far more capable yet they're cowering around The Whisperers.

Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on October 28, 2019, 12:22 AM
Everyone is falling apart except precocious little Judith, junior woodchuck samurai.

The 3 people bullying Lydia act like they haven't lived through an apocalypse. Why? Because, they'd either be A. be mad enough they just would've killed her regardless of consequences or B. they'd realize she's more useful to them alive and in their camp.

That there are still large trees that close to Hilltops' walls is a strategic blunder and bad planning. Only reason to keep one would be for a lookout post, build a treehouse in it.

Pouty lesbian is poutier than normal. Because, that's the way they are portrayed on tv most of the time.  Yay, stereotypes!

There's people with pitchforks and torches...oh, not really, we didn't show. It's a metaphor, just sleep on it.

Who let Negan go? CAROL? DARYL? CHERYL? TERYL? MERYL? He was a ghost the whole time?

Plus side, no Alpha and Beastman appearances.

Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jedi Idej on October 29, 2019, 12:01 AM
Who let Negan go? CAROL? DARYL? CHERYL? TERYL? MERYL? He was a ghost the whole time?

The preview showed who it was. A head-scratcher.  ???

Stoopid townspeople (or maybe it's the writing). A girl with a bloody mouth, (likely) bruised all over her body from the beating, a history with Moe, Larry, Shemp, and they don't believe her when she tells them Negan helped/saved her?

Why weren't more people trying to fend off the walkers after the trees came down?

And the wall is their only line of defense? No 4' deep ditch? Outward pointing spears? Swinging logs?  :P

Maybe they'll recapture the charm with their third show.  https://www.amc.com/shows/the-walking-dead/video-extras/the-walking-dead-universe-new-series-trailer
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on October 29, 2019, 04:29 PM

Why weren't more people trying to fend off the walkers after the trees came down?

And the wall is their only line of defense? No 4' deep ditch? Outward pointing spears? Swinging logs?  :P

The fact a tree falls and within minutes every walker in earshot instantly appears like they rose from the ground. Kind of points to the Whisperers being involved.  Also, now every walker has long nasty hair...no one died with a crew cut? (Hair doesn't grow after death, that's a myth).
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt_Fury on November 4, 2019, 03:18 PM
I liked last night's episode.  I like how the show is portraying Negan, and at the end of the episode I got the vibe that Negan was actually pretending to be old Negan.

I'm ready for Magda to get eaten by zombies at anytime now....I just do not like the character.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Dave on November 4, 2019, 03:45 PM
I liked last night's episode.  I like how the show is portraying Negan, and at the end of the episode I got the vibe that Negan was actually pretending to be old Negan.

There has been a lot of build up with Negan over the past dozen shows.  I'm also hoping he's a bit of a double-agent and we get some of that swagger back, albeit fake bravado.   

They need to do something to keep the story moving forward.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on November 4, 2019, 05:35 PM
I wasn't sure the teen following him was real or just another Rick Grimes-esque hallucination. I mean, he didn't help Negan with the walker. The mom and kid didn't acknowledge his presence.  The only thing saying he was real was the appearance of the jacket and baseball bat.

But I guess he was real.

Yeah, the new batch from last season just do little for me.  It's  Magna, not Magda. I know, who doesn't know a lot of people named Magna?
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt_Fury on November 5, 2019, 04:06 PM
It's  Magna, not Magda. I know, who doesn't know a lot of people named Magna?

For me it's proof that her character is so bad that I cannot be bothered to know her name.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Chris M on November 6, 2019, 01:42 PM
Well that was a Neegan I could get on board with.  I like the spin they've put on him with this episode.  It was far better than the aimless crap they were pumping out the last few.  Now, I wonder if he is going to be a good, bad, or gray man.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Rob on November 6, 2019, 04:31 PM
The idea of him becoming a good guy is pretty intriguing to me... although maybe not believable after how we were introduced to him initially.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt_Fury on November 6, 2019, 08:54 PM
In the comics, he does end up helping out the people of Alexandria and Hilltop.  Although, in the Comics Laurie, Rick and Carl are still around.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on November 11, 2019, 08:33 PM
Eugene on the ham radio "THEY CALL ME TATER SALAD."

Good thing Carol left Alexandria, with that flu going around she'd have to start killing the infected to "protect the children".

Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Dave on November 14, 2019, 08:55 AM
This week's episode was actually fairly solid.  Nice to see people actually doing something reasonably sensible with Carol and Darryl on the hunt for information.

The Negan / Beta dynamic was pretty fun too. 
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Chris M on November 14, 2019, 01:22 PM
^^Agreed.  This wasn't a crap episode.  Of course, I have to complain they waited until Ep6 to actually do something with the storyline.

I can't imagine Neegan actually wanting to get on board with the Whispers.  He's undoubtedly got a motive for what he's doing.  Afterall, it's not like he went looking for them.  You know his mind was thinking while he was going for his blind nature walk.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on November 17, 2019, 11:22 PM
Lot of character development for Siddiq this season.

And then...yeah.

I wondered where the heck that other medic came from. I either forgot some dialogue or he is sort of a cheat, since they pull out "been there all along characters" quite often, like the old woman who died.

Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Chris M on November 18, 2019, 12:20 PM
Uuuuummmmmm...another filler episode with nothing until the last minute?

This season has been terrible?  1 of 7 episodes has actually been interesting to me.  I know we all gripe, but I really wonder how long I'll keep watching and when I'll just give up and catch it all down the road.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: GrandMoffNick on November 18, 2019, 01:24 PM
Thought it was fine. I think it's only filler if you don't care about the characters. Which I get.

Nothing filler about killing the doctor. Especially via a spy in your home.

And figuring out a) how far Whisperers will go to "win" b) figure out a way to get Alpha's cult like followers to question her and then c) have Lydia leave the "good" guys.

Again I think filler is a subjective term.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Chris M on November 18, 2019, 02:39 PM


Again I think filler is a subjective term.

I think that's fair.  It just didn't draw me in and I didn't really wonder what was going to happen.  It just didn't make me think and just felt, like I said, filler stuff until Siddiq was killed.  And again, seems to be a pattern with TWD, build a character for a few episodes, make you like them a bit, and then kill them off.  To me it's getting old.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jedi Idej on November 18, 2019, 03:53 PM
Loved the pay-off but felt they dedicated too much time on the PTSD and bogged down the pace in the last few episodes.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Rob on November 18, 2019, 04:52 PM
I hate to say it because for years this was my favorite show, but I'm completely bored with it now. 

I thought losing Rick and jumping forward would freshen it up, but it's the same crap in a different dress.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: GrandMoffNick on November 18, 2019, 04:54 PM
I was sure they were building Saddiq up as a main player all year so death was a surprise
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt_Fury on November 18, 2019, 11:15 PM
I still think the PTSD angle was an odd choice.  For crying out loud, this guy survived alone for a while during a zombie apocalypse.  He had to have seen some **** during that time!
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Dave on November 19, 2019, 07:46 AM
I thought losing Rick and jumping forward would freshen it up, but it's the same crap in a different dress.

This is the part that I don't get.  The jumping ahead seems totally pointless.  I thought they were jumping ahead so that Judith could be the new Carl, but after the first few episodes she has hardly been in the series. 
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: GrandMoffNick on November 19, 2019, 09:01 AM
I feel like I'm arguing this show is great. It's not anymore. But I don't buy it's terrible.

They've killed off a whole bunch of main characters. Some by choice. Some by having no choice. To me the easiest way to shuffle who's important is to jump ahead. It's not perfect, but I didn't need to see how the council was formed and why person x is a leader. Blah blah blah. I still don't understand what people are looking for.

Side note. I don't like Carol anymore. Don't buy you just keep letting her go rogue and act like it's ok because she's Carol and has been here all along.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Chris M on November 19, 2019, 10:18 AM
Nick, I think, at least for me, it's just a case of the same thing over and over again.

I guess you can only come up with so much new stuff over 10 seasons, but it feels like a bunch of filler and pointless stuff that leads to nothing. To me the last several episodes are starting to feel like an extended season 2....lots of talk about feelings and a plot that is leading anywhere or keeping anyone hooked.

I'm not sure what anyone is looking for.  Maybe we'd like to see the human struggle in a given situation, but there just isn't any of that.  Morals are gone, unlike season 2.  That's one thing that kept me coming back during 2...there was a moral/ethical debate at it's center.  Not so much now, at least to me.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Rob on November 19, 2019, 12:58 PM
Speaking of main characters, what happened to Maggie?
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt_Fury on November 19, 2019, 05:14 PM
They mentioned last season she was out with Georgie building new communities (in actuality she was in another show), since Whiskey Cavalier was cancelled she will be back sometime late this season.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on November 24, 2019, 11:02 PM
The stealth walkers are getting really old. Folks making noise in the library, but they only activate when someone is 2 feet away.  It's video game rules. Just how dense are they near Oceanside?

How did Virgil get off his island without a boat? Did I miss something?

Once again a cliffhanger is dependent on people acting stupid. Nobody wait outside or anything. Good way to take a dump on characters. I think this is done, because we all know that Daryl and Carol could end this whole Whisperers thing by themselves, so to avoid that...stupidity and inner conflict.

At least Gabriel didn't bother with niceties. Remember season 2, debating the fate of...was it Randall?  Dante didn't deserve that, he deserved worse. If only zombie Siddiq hadn't been put down, they could've fed Dante to him.  On the other hand, half a season developing two characters who are killed off mid season seems a little wasteful.


Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: GrandMoffNick on November 25, 2019, 01:08 AM
Certainly not my favorite mid season finale. Would have liked some more to have happened in 80 minutes. Agree them all running into a cave was a bit on the too stupid side. Again I'm done with Carol. Also agree the zombies only activated once you touch the correct book is over used. If only he had played that tune on the piano it would have opened a secret door. Wait that's Resident Evil.

I don't mind them building a character to then kill them off. Keeps the anyone can die feel going.

"How did Virgil get off his island without a boat? Did I miss something?" He lost it somehow? It got damaged? Who cares? They came up with a place big military weapons can have lasted. If only every little detail could be explained to perfection so we wouldn't need to point them all out. I suppose then why would we even watch TV
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt_Fury on November 25, 2019, 12:03 PM
Overall kind of a weak episode last night, especially for a mid-season finale.

I did like re-animated Siddiq going after the baby while Dante and Rosita battled it out -- lots of tension even though I knew the kid would be ok.

I was a bit surprised that it was Gabriel that killed Dante.

Disappointed there was no Negan in this episode.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on November 25, 2019, 04:27 PM
"How did Virgil get off his island without a boat? Did I miss something?" He lost it somehow? It got damaged? Who cares? They came up with a place big military weapons can have lasted. If only every little detail could be explained to perfection so we wouldn't need to point them all out. I suppose then why would we even watch TV

Considering how suspicious they were of Virgil, it's a fair point to ask how he got so far from his home. 
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Chris M on November 27, 2019, 11:38 AM
Watched the first half of the episode on the cross trainer at the gym.  Then watched the second half last night and almost fell asleep.  My god, it was another filler episode with stupid decisions to drive the plot.

I really wonder why I keep coming back.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jedi Idej on November 27, 2019, 05:18 PM

I was a bit surprised that it was Gabriel that killed Dante.


I got an Edgar Allen Poe vibe at the whole fire pit scene (regardless of Dante's body being in there or not). You have the murdering Gabriel watching the flames, reflecting on what he's done, who's then joined by Rosita. She rests her head on his shoulders, signaling her approval on a job well done. (ooh, bad pun.)

It's like watching Carol, part 2.

I didn't see Talking Dead after. Any mention about them?
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt_Fury on February 24, 2020, 10:15 AM
The triumphant return of TWD dead last night mostly dealt with the group trapped by Alpha in the cave.

I thought Jerry was done for during his Whinny the Pooh moment.  It would have been a shame, since he's practically the only likeable character left.

Alpha and Negan....please don't come up with one of those cute couple mash-up names for them internet.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Dave on February 24, 2020, 11:45 AM
It actually wasn't a bad episode.  Some things happened that mostly made sense and there was a little bit of action.

Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on February 25, 2020, 12:04 AM
I don't know what was more disgusting Negan and Alpha bumping uglies or the character assassination of Carol.

Volatile dynamite just sitting there, waiting for some nonsense plot. Carol goes all Wile E Coyote on us.

Where did the walkers behind Jerry come from?  The monster generator they missed. Worst Gauntlet players ever.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jesse James on February 29, 2020, 09:31 PM
You’d be absolutely shocked how plausible the explosives plot point actually is.

On the Jerry zombies I thought they showed one kinda crawling up at the end of the frogger level after they were all on the other side so I was assuming maybe they got there that way but now that I’m thinking of it there has to be another way than crawling into that cave too so maybe just they wander in and fall down?
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on March 1, 2020, 10:48 PM
Dynamite now seems plausible after two characters with severe gaping wounds didn't bleed to death in the next episode. And Beta's super powers: tunneling, invisibility,  noise cancellation, the ability to make the dead resurrect when he needs them to*, and his overall ninja training.
I mean, you'd think this was a comic book show!  :P

Daryl will be up and running around next ep, mutant healing factor kicks in just in time for a post apocalyptic 300 sequel.

*remember when it was random? Might be an hour, might be 2 seconds.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt_Fury on March 2, 2020, 10:31 AM
Zombification has always moved at the speed of plot.

I did like the Daryl vs Alpha fight.  Lydia showing up was a nice touch.

How the hell did the people at Alexandria not notice all the tunneling and the RV showing up to hide the entrance?????
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Dave on March 2, 2020, 11:36 AM
How the hell did the people at Alexandria not notice all the tunneling and the RV showing up to hide the entrance?????

Yeah, the whole tunneling thing is totally bogus and you've got to suspend disbelief.  There is no way tunneling could get accomplished without being discovered, much less a successful tunnel dug that stretched the 1/4 mile or longer without cave-ins or some clever engineering work from a bunch of nomads.  Where would you put all that dirt and not be discovered?

It would have been a whole lot more logical to have some kind of sneaky ladder/siege machine or grappling hook to get over the wall than a long tunnel. 

More suspended disbelief that Alexandrians that have survived by killing their enemies over and over would let Beta off the hook multiple times and not just put a pike/sword/knife through his neck when he was vulnerable and let him get away.  And then when laying in ambush they wouldn't wait for him to get close enough to take him out.   ::)
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: GrandMoffNick on March 2, 2020, 12:17 PM
I consider myself as someone who easily suspends disbelief. The tunnelling thing was absurd.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on March 3, 2020, 03:21 PM
But it gave us that cool Beta rising from a grave scene!  :P

I blame Gabriel for telling them not to kill the Whisperers, that's the only reason that woman had for not piking him in his throat.  Even then she probably saw that there were walkers in town that were recently killed Alexandrites.

Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on March 9, 2020, 01:26 AM
"Morning Star" wasn't too bad an episode, despite waiting until the last 10 minutes for the attack to happen.

Negan goes full Misfits on us.

Why do they still have these outposts/scouts if they are constantly being murdered? If were in one of those communities and they asked me to stake out some road, I'd walk away.

Eugene's electric fence was nice, but Eugene needed to be working on explosives.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: GrandMoffNick on March 9, 2020, 07:11 AM
I enjoyed the build up to the battle. Reminded me a little bit more as to why I may care if any of the newer characters die.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt_Fury on March 11, 2020, 10:02 AM
This upcoming episode is going to be nuts!

I like how the Whisperers actually won (or are at least winning) a battle....that did not happen in the comics.

I wonder what Negan will do once he realizes Judith is in danger.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Dave on March 11, 2020, 11:53 AM
I like how the Whisperers actually won (or are at least winning) a battle....that did not happen in the comics.

Were the Whisperers this resourceful and capable in the comics?  I know its a different timeline, and we've got to suspend disbelief, but it amazes me that nomads can scavenge rubbery slingshots, refine flammable substances, and fill balloon like things under pressure with these flammable items, and launch them a quarter mile or so 9+ years in to an apocalypse when the area is totally looted.

I like their ability to blend in and conjure masses of zombies, but it appears they've got more skills than The Saviors who had an organized industrial complex running around them with still scavengeable items lying around.

You'd think they would have to spend 80% of their time just finding food and not engineering devious weapons out of nature.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt_Fury on March 11, 2020, 12:18 PM
Not really, Dave.  Their strength was that they could hide in herds of zombies and that they had a huge horde of zombies they could guide into communities.

BTW, did you wonder what the son Eugene was singing? (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eHg9PJc1Nds)
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Chris M on March 15, 2020, 06:55 PM
What. The. Hell.

I just watched all three episodes of the second half in the past few days.  Glad I didn't rush to watch any of it.  One episode was semi-decent, 1009, but then Carol did stupid things for some odd reason.

The Daryl-Alpha fight was cool, but then what after that?

Let's talk about our feelings. Let's establish the Whisperers are bad.  And then rinse and repeat from Every. Other. Bad guy this show has done. 

Finally the "epic" battle began.  Which after every other season and promised bad guys and battles that are underwhelming and overhyped, I'm guessing more of the same.  Although, I'm glad to see a new tactic in the gas balls getting tossed.  I'm certainly glad I didn't rush to watch so far, and certainly won't rush to watch the rest of this season.

To me, it's gone really, really stale with the same thing over and over again.  I get that after 10 seasons you can only do so much, but there really seems to be no point, no suspense, and nothing that drives me to "must watch" every Sunday.

So, I guess as I'm in the garage working on various projects for clients this next week, I'll be watching Battlestar Galactic and the Avengers even though I've already seen them a billion times.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on March 15, 2020, 10:14 PM
Covid-19 just killed Talking Dead faster than you can say Chloe Dykstra.

Tonight's episode had some tension to it, and/or maybe real world events make this series seem grim again.

Seemingly killing one character off off-screen. Or did they?  ???

Next episode...well, looks like I was right.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt_Fury on March 16, 2020, 12:43 AM
Connie is still out there....probably find her in two weeks.

So Carol is the one who let Negan out, with instructions to kill Alpha.  The best part was I knew it was coming, but my wife didn’t.  I was biting my tongue not to say anything.

Overall, it was a good episode.  Curious to see how the stuff with Judith plays out.  She’s killed walkers before, but she never killed a whisperer and then she had to put down a friend.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Dave on March 16, 2020, 09:30 AM
I'm glad Eugene is heading off to the new community.  I hope there is something more interesting there.

I was glad to see the Negan fakeout.  That was a pleasant surprise.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: GrandMoffNick on March 16, 2020, 11:17 AM
I liked the episode. Loved the Negan fake out. Haven't read that part in comics but sensed something was up. Not that Carol was a part of it though.

And who is Beta? Was there more to that other Whisperer recognizing him?
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt_Fury on March 16, 2020, 11:20 PM
Beta is someone who was famous before the zombie apocalypse.  In the comics he was a famous former basketball player.  I believe they are going a different route in the comics (there was an Easter egg in FTWD.)
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on March 17, 2020, 01:26 AM
Some reviewer pointed out that they missed opportunities with the burning Hilltop stuff, but I dunno. Maybe, but I don't feel like seeing all that dragged out another episode.

Rewatching it. How did the Whisperers not find Ezekiel? That part was odd, Daryl and some others go back to Hilltop, but where are the Whisperers?

I recall reading what Negan did in the comics years ago, just by accident. I thought maybe they were going to reverse it and Alpha would suspect him and kill Negan. 
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on March 22, 2020, 11:04 PM
Michonne's final episode. It seems.

Not sure how I felt about it. They tried to make it matter, for whatever that's worth. The alternate path hallucinations...really kinda silly.  She imagines she STILL goes north to Virginia, despite never joining Rick's group, and somehow meets Negan. But then dreams usually don't make sense, do they? And he's still on the show, so. No Governor, too much trouble to get him back. Instead of taking out his eye she marries the Governor or something. Who knows? She joins Terminus and eats Carl.  She kills Alpha and taker her place?

There's some convoluted story as to how Rick's stuff ended up on a boat when he was taken away by helicopter and by the time we hear it years from now, will it matter?

The real question the episode brings up, what happened to Heath?  ???



Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Dave on March 23, 2020, 09:10 AM
I really didn't care for that at all.  It didn't advance the plot at all and wasn't that interesting. 

Also, episodes filmed like that bug me.  All the hallucinations / flashbacks with Negan, etc. were filmed in a way that Michonne's face was never pictured in the same scene as any of the characters in the scene.  They just used body doubles and filmed over the different people's shoulders. 

Was there some kind of falling out between the show runners and Danai Gurira where she didn't want to be in any of the episodes this year or had unrealistic demands?   

They should have just done what they did with Maggie and had her disappear from the show and say that Michonne left to find Rick, then they could have potentially used the hour episode for something more interesting.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt_Fury on March 23, 2020, 06:23 PM
Danai Gurira was leaving the show due to she's really busy with other projects and couldn't balance the demands f filming this show with all her other commitments.  Similar issue with Daniel on Fear.

We'll see Michonne in the upcoming movies.

Overall not a bad episode, but I'm looking forward to getting back to the major plot of this season next week.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Chris M on March 27, 2020, 09:32 PM
I don't watch anything beyond the show, so maybe this was covered somewhere, but any thoughts that episode could set her up for a reunion with Rick in the upcoming movies?

I was working on a project, so was only half listening and my have missed something.  So far, I haven't been too impressed with this season.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on March 30, 2020, 09:53 AM
Season whatever episode 16

So Carol's plan to release Negan. But then that psycho teen also somehow caught up with Negan. OR WAS HE EVEN REAL?  With this show...

Okay, which characters haven't hallucinated on this series yet? We've had Daryl, Rick, Tyreese, Michonne, Carol. It's so overused at this point I'd almost perferred Alpha have been an actual ghost. I guess they had Samantha Morton on payroll, might as well use her...besides her head.

Why did that guy Beta make get bit by Alpha's head not stab Beta in the back...literally. How retarded/brainwashed are these Whispers?  Guy just killed you and you follow him to some town as you slowly die.  (I write this like they are actual people, not characters.)

Michonne's replacement: some chick with a machine gun. Okay. Ezekiel thought the posed walkers were funny, but I'd be ready to shoot anything that moves after seeing that stuff.

Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: GrandMoffNick on March 30, 2020, 10:43 AM
My understanding is the "chick with a machine gun" is an important character in the comics. I know she has an Action figure. I liked the episode. I also know it's only okay to use the internet for pointing out things you didn't like so I will keep it at that.

Haven't they made it abundantly clear the Whisperers are very brain washed? And I'm assuming they were showing us Ezekiel is losing it physically and mentally.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt_Fury on March 30, 2020, 11:03 AM
You have to look at the Whisperers like they are a cult.  That explains all their nutty behavior.

I liked the Beta reveal...they've been teasing it for a while, an album cover even showed up in FTWD.  Also, if you watched the Talking Dead Skype meeting, the actor who plays Beta was on and he had an interesting back story that at some point early on in the apocalypse, he had to kill someone who was wearing one of his concert t-shirts.  That's why he never takes of his mask...he wants his pre-apocalypse persona to be a hopeful inspiration for people, but he has to be ruthless now.  It's a lot deeper than the reveal in the comics where someone sees his face and recognizes him as a famous basketball player turned actor.  I believe they did all that in about five panels.

I did like Negan's story through this, especially when he and Daryl came across some whisperers.  Good stuff!
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Scockery on March 30, 2020, 01:44 PM
My understanding is the "chick with a machine gun" is an important character in the comics. I know she has an Action figure. I liked the episode. I also know it's only okay to use the internet for pointing out things you didn't like so I will keep it at that.

Why hold back?

It's the end of real civilization out here. Cut loose.



Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Rob on March 30, 2020, 04:33 PM
There was a new episode last night?  My DVR didn't pick it up for some reason...
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt_Fury on March 30, 2020, 08:21 PM
Mine didn't either, luckily, we were able to change to it and rewind.  Thanks DirecTv!
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Dave on March 31, 2020, 10:19 AM
Mine didn't either, luckily, we were able to change to it and rewind.  Thanks DirecTv!

Sounds like these DirecTV DVR bugs aren't just my system, but more widespread?  I've been having issues for about a week with various items either not recording, or recording but not being playable.  Is that what you guys are seeing?

I thought the episode was just okay.  Agree that the hallucination thing is getting old, and Carol wandering in the woods is getting old.  Suspending disbelief, but where did Beta find electricity to play his vinyl album and summon 100 walking dead.

I did like the Negan / Darryl scenes, and the dressed up / tied up zombies in Richmond were kind of fun.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt_Fury on March 31, 2020, 12:33 PM
Mine didn't either, luckily, we were able to change to it and rewind.  Thanks DirecTv!

Sounds like these DirecTV DVR bugs aren't just my system, but more widespread?  I've been having issues for about a week with various items either not recording, or recording but not being playable.  Is that what you guys are seeing?

Whenever I've had a problem with anything recording (which is few and far between), it's usually something wrong in the guide.  In the case of a series, it's accidentally not listed as first run.  A couple of weeks ago, TWD was set to record a later showing that evening, which is odd because even though a lot of shows were recording, it was under the seven show limit the Genie DVR has, even though TWD is one of the highest priority shows in my series manager.

Odd to be sure, but I'm not losing sleep over it.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Rob on March 31, 2020, 02:37 PM
Yeah, oh well.  I downloaded the AMC app onto the Xbox and watched last night. 

Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Dave on March 31, 2020, 02:47 PM
Yeah, oh well.  I downloaded the AMC app onto the Xbox and watched last night.

Yeah, when the DVR pukes we go to the AMC app too.  I wish the app could cast to ChromeCast or other things.  We had to do the same for Better Call Saul this week too.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: GrandMoffNick on October 5, 2020, 01:39 AM
So mostly that episode made me realize I was ok with no Walking Dead for the past 6 months
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Dave on October 5, 2020, 09:07 AM
I'm glad they're finally wrapping it up in 2021.  Hopefully that allows the writers to drive some interesting plot points with a defined end point.

Anybody watch the new Walking Dead spinoff last night?  I didn't, but I'm curious if it seems promising or not.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt_Fury on October 5, 2020, 09:20 AM
I liked last night's episode.  Are they ending TWD next season?  I thought there were two left.

I have World Beyond on the DVR, We'll watch it tonight.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Dave on October 5, 2020, 11:57 AM
Looks like its a bit of weird setup.

According to Wikipedia they're adding six more episodes to the existing Season 10.  And Season 11 will premier in late 2021, consisting of 24 episodes broadcast over a two year period. 

So I guess its two more years of broadcast but one season, whatever that means.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jeff on October 5, 2020, 12:57 PM
So I guess its two more years of broadcast but one season, whatever that means.

AMC did this with Mad Men too.  Take the last season, break it into two half-season pieces airing over two years and use the extra time in-between to milk the hell out of reruns and marathons to pull as much cash out of the dying cow as you can before it's over.   :-X
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Rob on October 5, 2020, 05:05 PM
Sounds like Game of Thrones.  That worked really well too...
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt_Fury on October 5, 2020, 10:56 PM
One thing I was surprised by last night's TWD is the lack of main character deaths.  I thought for sure Gabriel was toast.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Jedi Idej on October 6, 2020, 12:09 AM
I have World Beyond on the DVR, We'll watch it tonight.

I see the commercials and I get the same snore fest vibe I felt after 5 mins of 'Caprica'. Is it worth the watch?

Take the last season, break it into two half-season pieces airing over two years and use the extra time in-between to milk the hell out of reruns and marathons to pull as much cash out of the dying cow as you can before it's over.   :-X

Don't forget the Carol/Daryl roadshow spin off and the Rick Grimes (made-for-tv/streaming??) movies.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt_Fury on October 6, 2020, 10:33 AM
The pilot episode was a bit on the slow side.  I actually started to nod off a bit during it.  There is some interesting insight into the CRM though.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Chris M on October 7, 2020, 09:01 PM
Well, the new show looks like TWF for teens. I did wonder after watching though if there will eventually be a tie in with the other two series. The helos got me to the thinking.  I just bored watching it.  It had a story, but that's about it.  It seemed predictable who was who and what was what.  Unispiring to me.

As for TWD season finale, very underwhelming to me.  I mean, it just ended.  Maybe the guys in the white will turn out to be the helicopter folks that we've now seen in every series.  Who knows...
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Chris M on October 15, 2020, 01:47 PM
Anybody give TWD World Beyond another go?

I started this morning, gave it about 15 or so minutes and I'm out.  I won't be watching any more as this show is beyond terrible.  It's like the writers chosen were having a competition to see who could write the worst script and unclear storyline.  If that was the goal, mission success.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt_Fury on October 15, 2020, 01:52 PM
I've watched both episodes and I'm surprised the kids are still alive.

I'm hoping the CRM comes back into it soon.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: JediJman on October 16, 2020, 04:40 PM
I'm watching WB just to get my zombie fix as I still love that universe, but like others said - kind of a boring kickoff.  Fear the Walking Dead had a great first couple of episodes before digressing off into total nonsense.  I wish they would get back to the zombies being even a remote threat.  Even when they get to someone and wrestle they're somehow not able to get a bite in.

If anyone likes this genre and has not read the World War Z novel, I would highly recommend it.  Lots of short, somewhat interconnected stories about what happened when the zombies hit.  How people reacted, why the military couldn't stop them, psychological impact, various ways to fight back...that's what I was hoping we would eventually get with one of these spin-off shows.  Seems like the writers are more interested in building up a few characters no one cares about and just having some zombies roam around in the background.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt_Fury on March 1, 2021, 03:58 PM
So The Walking Dead returned last night and although I like that Maggie's back and they are setting up some great conflict with Negan, I already don't like the idea of the Reapers.  Unless they are bringing in the Reapers from Mass Effect.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: GrandMoffNick on March 2, 2021, 12:58 AM
I'm with Matt. Maggie Negan should be good. But bad guys group #67 is even too much for me. I never read a comic past the Whisperers. Are the Reapers an existing group? Knowing that the show is getting close to wrapping up I hope they don't spend too much time with this new bad guy group.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Dave on March 2, 2021, 09:44 AM
I'm past ready for this show to be done. 

So the Reapers are military dudes that still have full working military tech when everyone else has reverted to the middle ages?  And they're interested in hunting down remaining communities, why?  For their bows and arrows? 

I just love these people that are interested in walking for hundreds of miles to do battle for no real reason, and still manage to find the time to scavenge for food.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Rob on March 7, 2021, 07:22 PM
What did grenade guy say before he pulled the pin?
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: GrandMoffNick on March 7, 2021, 08:01 PM
What did grenade guy say before he pulled the pin?

Ha. I rewound and listened like five times and still don't know.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Rob on March 7, 2021, 11:13 PM
Yeah I gave up after 3 tries.  I was thinking maybe it wasn’t English.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Rob on March 7, 2021, 11:15 PM
Just looked it up:

Quote
The Reaper drops his knife like a mic, grins, and mutters what sounded to me like a Native American chant but I’m told by the internets was actually the words “Pope marked you” in a British accent — all before pulling the pin on a grenade.

https://www.vulture.com/article/the-walking-dead-season-10-episode-17-recap-home-sweet-home.html
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Dave on March 8, 2021, 09:47 AM
Last night's episode was a bit of a snoozer.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: GrandMoffNick on March 8, 2021, 10:08 AM
Last night's episode was a bit of a snoozer.

I agreed at first. But afterwards I did appreciate seeing that side of Daryl.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Dave on March 8, 2021, 12:22 PM
I guess, but 10 years in to the show I'm not sure how much backstory I need on the main characters. 

I'll be interested to see how they wrap up the show as it comes to a close, and what sort of constraints COVID might have on the script.  Maybe its just the cynical side of me but watching last night's show (3 actors and just a few walkers) and based on next week's preview too it looks like just a few actors as well.  I wonder if we're not going to have any big walker hoards, or large groups of core characters all together.

I wonder if that is what is delaying Eugene and Ezekiel's story line or why that hasn't been touched on yet.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: GrandMoffNick on March 8, 2021, 01:23 PM
I also thought when I saw next week is just a couple characters that we might get nothing but that now. "How few actors can we get by making an episode with?"
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Dave on March 8, 2021, 03:13 PM
Even the way they shot yesterday's episode I don't think there were more than a couple of brief scenes where any of the actors were on camera at the same time, much less within 6' of each other.  Lots of point of view camera angles where there was only one actor on the screen at one time.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: JediJman on March 8, 2021, 03:25 PM
What did grenade guy say before he pulled the pin?

Ha. I rewound and listened like five times and still don't know.

I always watch with the CC on for this very reason.  I knew what he said, but still doesn't make any sense to me.  Who the hell is pope?
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt_Fury on March 8, 2021, 03:37 PM
We finally have the origin story for the most interesting character in the Walking Dead universe....Dog.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Rob on March 11, 2021, 03:34 PM
Just watched it yesterday... agreed it was boring. 

And now the Reapers... another clan, another name... this show unfortunately has gotten insanely repetitive, but without most of the most interesting characters. 
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt_Fury on March 15, 2021, 10:00 AM
Wow.  The ending of last night's episode took a bit of a dark turn.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Dave on March 15, 2021, 10:25 AM
A little more action than the first episode, but still a bit of a snooze.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: GrandMoffNick on March 15, 2021, 10:54 AM
I would have preferred they ended it without finding the brother. "Did Gabrielle do the right thing?". Aaron was talking about helping people and then look what Gabrielle has become. I liked that feeling from the show I got immediately after he kills Mays more than after seeing what he had done to his brother and family.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Dave on March 15, 2021, 11:48 AM
I would have preferred they ended it without finding the brother. "Did Gabrielle do the right thing?". Shane was talking about helping people and then look what Gabrielle has become. I liked that feeling from the show I got immediately after he kills Mays more than after seeing what he had done to his brother and family.

Totally agree. 

You felt the conflict after Gabriel arm-maced him, but after seeing the messed up stuff with the brother you had to wonder how sick in the head the guy was.  It kind of took away from the previous scene.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt_Fury on March 23, 2021, 09:41 AM
So have any of these episodes done anything significant to push the main plot forward?  I haven't been so bored watching TWD since these episodes.


I can't believe I'm saying this, but I am looking forward to the new FTWD episodes!
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Dave on March 23, 2021, 10:36 AM
I can't believe I'm saying this, but I am looking forward to the new FTWD episodes!

I'm looking forward to TWD wrapping things up and being done.  I think they hung on for about two seasons too many.  After all these years I want to see how they wrap it up, but its a bit of a slog right now.

Sunday's episode had to be in the top 10 most boring for TWD.

Maybe we learned that Princess had a tough upbringing and is bit crazy and hallucinates.  Not sure we needed a 60 minute episode that barely left the confines of a box car.

Kinda feels like that one season of Battlestar Galactica where they were waiting for a contract renewal and didn't have any budget.  The whole thing was shot in a couple of rooms of the Battlestar.  Borderline unwatchable.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Rob on March 24, 2021, 03:56 PM
It pains me to say it but I agree that I'm ready for it to be done.  It's not even that they hung on too long, it's that about the time Rick departed, they got lazy... the stories aren't interesting, the character that are left aren't really carrying the show...

Maybe it's because of Covid, but it all feels small now too - they have 2 or 4 actors at a time, no grand events or evolution of the lore, or overall arc.  I've complained about it before, but for years the show has just gone from one enemy group to another... governor, then Negan's people, then the Whisperers, now the Reapers...  That kind of thing is fine for awhile, but it's horrifically repetitive at this point.  The Zombies used to be the problem, then the people were the problem and it was clever and metaphorical for a few years, but it's played out.  The only thing I can think of that would make it interesting to me for awhile longer would be some sort of development where someone's worked out a cure in some secret lab, or the zombies were mutating, or maybe petering out on their own.  And, at some point it WOULD fizzle out, even in this world of suspended disbelief, it's weird and hard to believe that zombies can stay animated for a decade with only the occasional meal of brains to keep them going.  Physics and physiology say they'd rot eventually and the rate of new zombies certainly wouldn't be able to keep up indefinitely.  The show just needs a radical new turn, or it needs to be put to pasture.

I don't want to overthink it, it's a fun show and there's certain leaps you need to make, but it's just gotten so stale now that it's sad.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: GrandMoffNick on March 28, 2021, 11:53 PM
Ugh. They shoulda just canned this season before these four episodes. Though next week looks interesting as a stand alone episode.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Dave on March 29, 2021, 09:45 AM
Ugh. They shoulda just canned this season before these four episodes.

I'm glad you said and not me as I feel like all I've had to say is negative things about these handful of episodes. 

I hope they find a way to wrap things up in an exciting way, otherwise they should just pull the plug and call it quits now.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt_Fury on March 29, 2021, 10:45 AM
My wife turned to me halfway through the episode last night and said, "Are we really watching an episode where all we're doing is watching Carol try and catch a rat?"  And 10 years into the apocalypse I'm going to guess drywall is a little hard to come by.

I was tempted to suffer through Talking Dead just to see them try and be excited about what's going on in the show.

That being said, next week looks promising.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Dave on March 29, 2021, 11:11 AM
That being said, next week looks promising.

Next week looks a little more interesting, but aren't we well past the time to do any sort of backstory on Negan?  It still feels like filler that isn't developing the characters or moving the plot along in any meaningful way.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: GrandMoffNick on March 29, 2021, 11:16 AM
I'm putting this filler on covid but again figuring out a way to do a handful of wrapping up the show episodes airing this summer and skipping this junk altogether woulda made more sense. But this Negan stuff should be fun.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Rob on March 29, 2021, 09:14 PM
My wife turned to me halfway through the episode last night and said, "Are we really watching an episode where all we're doing is watching Carol try and catch a rat?"  And 10 years into the apocalypse I'm going to guess drywall is a little hard to come by.

I was tempted to suffer through Talking Dead just to see them try and be excited about what's going on in the show.

That being said, next week looks promising.

I’m only halfway into the episode but I literally came here to ask if I’m watching an episode where the entire plot is “Carol makes soup while Daryl tries to fix his motorcycle?”  This show is Ratatouille now?!
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Chris M on March 30, 2021, 11:59 AM
Like Rob, I'm halfway through this episode.  Do I even need to continue watching it?  I mean, I watched something happen, and then Carol was happy and in the kitchen, and then things were happening with Darryl, and then Carol was in a field killing zombies, and then Darryl fixed his bike, and then Carol was in the kitchen.  I thought it was over and I was only 27 minutes in.  WTF...It's like we're back to season 2 on the farm with all filler episodes.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Rob on March 30, 2021, 06:28 PM
You don't...

It's a metaphor about how when Darryl and Carol are apart they struggle and when they're together they're stronger.  But it's a long, boring way to tell that 'story.'

Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Chris M on April 1, 2021, 11:48 AM
You don't...

It's a metaphor about how when Darryl and Carol are apart they struggle and when they're together they're stronger.  But it's a long, boring way to tell that 'story.'



That was a story????  God that was brutal to get through.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt_Fury on April 5, 2021, 10:00 AM
Ok, not the highest of bars to rise above, but last night's episode was easily the best of these latest episodes.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: JediJman on April 6, 2021, 02:13 PM
Anyone know if they are still planning a Walking Dead "Rick Returns!" movie?  I'm worried they won't actually wrap up much with the show and just shift stories out to movies at the end of this season.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt_Fury on April 6, 2021, 05:11 PM
Last I heard, they are still going through with the movies.  The final season is 24 episodes, so it's more like two seasons worth of shows, so they should be able to wrap everything up.

Plus FTWD is still going to be out there in theory.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: GrandMoffNick on April 7, 2021, 08:47 AM
I thought the episode was fascinating. But it's hard to accept that's how you wrap up the penultimate season finale. I hope they figure out a way to work around covid for this final season.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt_Fury on April 7, 2021, 09:43 AM
They film in Georgia and they were one of the first to relax restrictions....but overall these last few episodes were a waste.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Chris M on April 9, 2021, 09:49 AM
Finally finished the episode.  I really liked it.  That said, it was another filler episode and would have been better placed with the introduction of Negan.   I wonder if the last four were just fillers to complete the season due to Covid concerns.

I don't really have any hopes at all regarding season 11.  This past one was so bad and spread out I don't really remember what happened and for me there was never a "must watch now" episode.  So, we'll see how the next one goes before putting the show to bed.

However, I am looking forward to FTWD.  I think that show has really gained it's legs.  Although not perfect, it's far more tolerable to watch than when it started.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Dave on April 15, 2021, 04:25 PM
...but overall these last few episodes were a waste.

The only potentially interesting plot point in all of these filler shows when when Eugene and the crew were interacting with the white armored society.  We learned nothing about what was going on there and only had one episode on it that was mostly Princess hallucinating in a boxcar.

I sure hope they have a plan to go out with a solid story line and something compelling to wrap up the series.  It started so well and has faded so badly.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt_Fury on August 23, 2021, 12:24 PM
Anyone else watch the season 11 premier last night?

I thought it was pretty good...they seem to be moving back to the horror aspects of the walkers and the little twist at the ends was pretty good!
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Dave on August 23, 2021, 12:35 PM
I didn't even realize the season had started.  I hope my DVR picked it up.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt_Fury on August 23, 2021, 03:53 PM
I'm guessing you don't have AMC+ Dave....they actually post episodes to the streaming service early.  If your DVR didn't pick it up, they will, most likely, re-air the episode before episode 2 next Sunday.


I should point out, that if anyone here does have AMC+, please refrain from posting about episodes before their air on the AMC network.  I'm already seeing reviews for episode 2 when it won't air for 6 more days.   :-\
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt_Fury on August 30, 2021, 01:36 PM
Last night's episode was pretty good.  Some gruesome scenes and the Maggie/Negan storyline is evolving.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt_Fury on September 7, 2021, 10:00 AM
While I'm still enjoying the show the fight bad guys, rinse repeat storylines have been old for a while.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: JediJman on September 10, 2021, 09:50 AM
I think I'm a good half season behind on TWD.  I've actually stopped watching the new stuff and went back to watch Season 1 with my son.  The storyline and acting was so much better back in the "old days."
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Dave on September 16, 2021, 09:30 AM
I finally caught up with the past few weeks of episodes. 

Some good, some bad, and definitely repetitive storylines.  I'm still holding out hope that there is something creative and new that helps wrap up the series.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: GrandMoffNick on September 16, 2021, 09:39 AM
I'm enjoying Maggie/Negan and even like the Reapers. BUT bringing in new "bad guys" when you're wrapping up a show just seems wrong.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt_Fury on September 16, 2021, 10:43 AM
I did enjoy the Darryl focused episode this past week.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Dave on September 16, 2021, 11:23 AM
I did enjoy the Darryl focused episode this past week.

It was fine, but it felt a lot like when Daryl was captured by The Saviors and held in The Sanctuary and had a bromance with Dwight. 

Swap Leah for Dwight and The Reapers for The Saviors and you've got last week's episode.  However I did like the Apocalypse Now / Marlon Brando-like leader Pope.  Although you gotta wonder how an unhinged leader manages to keep his crew together, functioning, and fed for ten years.

I'm personally tired with all the conflict among the living.  It would make sense if they were fighting for resources or something, but now it seems like the only people left alive are those that want to kill every other living person.  And apparently they've all got plenty of food because the spend all their time going after their enemies, and are willing to use gasoline/kerosene to burn down a building instead of power a vehicle or generator.

I'm more interested in The Commonwealth storyline and what that might bring.  Its been a long time since our protagonists have encountered another friendly group
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt_Fury on September 16, 2021, 12:20 PM

Swap Leah for Dwight and The Reapers for The Saviors and you've got last week's episode.  However I did like the Apocalypse Now / Marlon Brando-like leader Pope.  Although you gotta wonder how an unhinged leader manages to keep his crew together, functioning, and fed for ten years.


I liked the Col Kurtz vibe as well.  The easy answer to how he keeps control is fear.  The rest of the reapers are loyal mainly due to fear.  The problem with that is that it's a tenuous hold over people....you could see that in Leah's eyes at the end of the episode.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Rob on September 16, 2021, 01:45 PM
What a cool fresh idea to close out the series... our band of hero characters runs into a dangerous group of other people!
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt_Fury on September 27, 2021, 09:58 AM
If you did not watch last night's episode, even if you haven't watched the show in a while, go watch it!  They put a lot of great horror elements in it and using Connie's perspective (she's deaf, so they removed the sound), it was done brilliantly.  Then I saw that the episode was directed by Greg Nicotero, so it made sense.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Chris M on September 29, 2021, 10:13 AM
If you did not watch last night's episode, even if you haven't watched the show in a while, go watch it!  They put a lot of great horror elements in it and using Connie's perspective (she's deaf, so they removed the sound), it was done brilliantly.  Then I saw that the episode was directed by Greg Nicotero, so it made sense.

That was pretty cool.

Overall, I can't decide how I feel about this season.  We're what 5 or 6 episodes in and while we can see the bad guys, what's the point?  The episodes don't feel like fillers for once, but at the same time I'm not even sure where they are going.  We've got 24 episodes, so they better start evolving and moving the story quick if they want to tie the finale up all nice and neat...unless they are planning to do something with the movies. 

The movies though, they haven't even started production and are just looking at scripts.  If they wait too long, which I fear they have, then the movies might flop just because people will have lost interest.  This isn't Marvel, I don't think they can run TV shows into movies and vice versa.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt_Fury on September 29, 2021, 01:36 PM
I have similar concerns Chris.  They have the second and final season of World Beyond starting this week (I think) and that is supposed to be a direct lead in to the Rick Grimes movies.  I fully expect Rick and Michonne to show up in the Walking Dead series finale and those movies need to happen pretty quick to explain what Rick's been doing since he "died" in the show.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Dave on September 30, 2021, 09:11 AM
If you did not watch last night's episode, even if you haven't watched the show in a while, go watch it!  They put a lot of great horror elements in it and using Connie's perspective (she's deaf, so they removed the sound), it was done brilliantly.  Then I saw that the episode was directed by Greg Nicotero, so it made sense.

Its funny, but my wife and I watched it and didn't really care for it just because of the horror element.  We miss the story lines and growth that used to exist in this show.  It seems recently that each season finds more ways to add more elements of gore.

This episode felt like someone's film school project with the non-sensical horror house with no way out, Gollum crab cannibal people, and torture scene.  It didn't seem to fit in to the normal Walking Dead aesthetic, but I can understand how people that like the horror genre would like this episode more.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Chris M on October 1, 2021, 09:03 AM
I have similar concerns Chris.  They have the second and final season of World Beyond starting this week (I think) and that is supposed to be a direct lead in to the Rick Grimes movies.  I fully expect Rick and Michonne to show up in the Walking Dead series finale and those movies need to happen pretty quick to explain what Rick's been doing since he "died" in the show.

Are you watching World Beyond? I gave it about an episode and decided it was just terrible with poor acting, directing, etc.  I won't go back.  However, I've really enjoyed FTWD in recent seasons.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt_Fury on October 1, 2021, 10:09 AM
I suffered though the first season...it did get better as it went on, but none of those kids should be alive....they are dumber than the folks in Fear the Walking Dead during the outbreak.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Rob on October 1, 2021, 02:50 PM
Well you’ll both be unsurprised to hear that the promos for World Beyond are already saying it’s “The Final Season.”
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt_Fury on October 3, 2021, 06:45 PM
That's not breaking news, it was always planned as a two season run.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Rob on October 3, 2021, 07:24 PM
Ah, I had no idea.  I just watch then delete them off the DVR.  I don’t pay enough attention beyond that.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt_Fury on October 29, 2021, 12:01 PM
With one third of the final season out, I have to say, there are a lot of things I like even with the formulaic aspect of the reapers.


Nice twist with the death of Pope and what's he nuts taking over and turning on Daryll.  I did not see that part coming.

I'm looking forward to February when the show returns.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Dave on December 8, 2022, 08:54 AM
This series finally wrapped up and I'm glad its done.  I felt invested in this show after watching the first 6+ seasons that were mostly good.  The past few seasons felt like work with the plots being repetitive and the writing seemed to be a lot worse as well.

They're offering up a couple of spin-offs.  One with Rick and Michonne and one with Daryl and Maggie.  I'm not interested in either one.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: McMetal on December 8, 2022, 12:21 PM
I’ve never regretted my decision to stop watching after they killed off Carl for no reason whatsoever. The show really started out so strong too. Looking back I think losing the original show runner (Darabont?) was the kiss of death.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Rob on December 9, 2022, 09:38 AM
Losing Frank Darabont is never a good thing… almost always a downgrade.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead
Post by: Matt_Fury on December 11, 2022, 10:50 AM
This show isn’t done…there’s three spinoffs!