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Title: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: Jeff on April 2, 2011, 10:58 AM
Season 4 Preview Trailer (http://starwars.com/theclonewars/?video=v001246#vid)

Let the speculation begin!
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: 501ST on April 2, 2011, 11:11 AM
Phase II Clones and not ARC's either (see the Plo Koon opening scene)
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: Jayson on April 2, 2011, 11:14 AM
Season 4 Preview Trailer (http://starwars.com/theclonewars/?video=v001246#vid)

Let the speculation begin!

Ackbar?
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: Darby on April 2, 2011, 12:21 PM
Definitely Ackbar, probably Mon Calamari from the looks of it (yay!).  Phase 2 Rex and other clones.  Naboo.  Looks good.  It's always exciting to see new Star Wars... I just hope next year improves on this one.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: JACKOFTRADZE on April 3, 2011, 12:30 AM
Ackbar comes for season 4 as an anphibious guy
more duels: Dooku, jedi, Grievous; as they are changing timeline I hope they modify the boring cliché of Anakin never see Grievous, that would be challeging. Make them fight Filoni´s team

That's Ackbar for sure! It looks like Captain Tarpels shows up too and duels Grievous as a lot of Gungans watch. Towards the end of the trailer you see him impale Grievous with his spear under the ribcage right through his shoulder. Not sure if the blow will incapacitate his saber arm because if he does not he will be cut in half. Pretty cool a Gungan is taking it to Grievous. I always like Captian Tarpels, this could redefine Gungans if he beats him and lives. I just hope next season is pure action and as little Padme as possible. Every time she shows up the episode stinks.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: Jesse James on April 3, 2011, 12:35 AM
And yet another video already...  Check It Out! (http://www.starwars.com/theclonewars/?video=v001247#vid)

Hasbro's really jerking the fans along on Season 4 and it's a day after the Season 3 finale.  Good lord.

The eyecandy in this video is way better than the first one, IMO.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Three Discussion Thread
Post by: Jabba the Slug on April 3, 2011, 04:02 AM
Went to Wondercon today and attended the TCW panel... it was so funny, because I was getting into line with my friend when he unknowingly bumped into Dave Filoni! I just stood there in awe with my eyes wide open. It was somewhat embarassing, as Filoni caught sight of me just staring at him.

The Season 4 trailer they previewed was different from the one that accompanied the Season 3 finale. By the looks of it, I wonder if Filoni is re-interpreting the Battle of Mon Calamari (from the original CW microseries) into the new animated format, as a shirtless Kit Fisto fighting alongside the Mon Calamari was in the preview, and it looks like they're even trying to sneak Ahsoka into the battle, too. It's funny, because if they do that, then they're slipping Ahsoka into a series done over 5 years ago - an example of good behind-the-scenes work.

During the Q/A, some little kid shyly asked if the "tall guy from the Nightsisters episode with the horns (Savage Opress) will find the other guy (Darth Maul)." Filoni laughed a little at the poor kid and said that YES, that plot point will be continued, but he didn't say if it would be next season.

Other Q/A answers:
- Another OT character might be on the next season of TCW
- Asajj Ventress will make a comeback (wasn't specified when, though)
- Luminara Unduli is also going to be getting a new outfit, too
- Filoni himself hasn't even worked out yet what will happen to Ahsoka as far as her eventual fate goes, so he's still unsure about what will happen with that
- 2 of the things he's most concerned about (plot-wise) are the fates of Rex and Ahsoka 
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: Jayson on April 3, 2011, 10:44 AM
Wow! That one is pretty bad ass.  8)
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: Scott on April 3, 2011, 10:55 AM
A couple of things I picked out

Grievous on Naboo
Shirtless Kit Fisto
Some sort of Dexter Jettster type Jedi
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: Jayson on April 3, 2011, 11:03 AM
I also caught a sleeker Republic fighter like an ARC-170/Z95/Xwing cross.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: Greg on April 3, 2011, 11:22 AM
Some sort of Dexter Jettster type Jedi

I paused the video on some cooler looking shots, and the Dexter Jedi was one of them. It looked like he had two double bladed lightsabers, so that was kinda cool. It was also neat to see some new clone armor and clones from previous episodes returning.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: EpicGon on April 3, 2011, 12:53 PM
Quote
Some sort of Dexter Jettster type Jedi

I think this guy could deal with Grievous 4 arms lightsaber style, and will be a redemption to reptilian guys (more important for fans who wanted a good trandoshian) The Filoni team began using a non very agresive like species
the tortoise Dexter like Jedi.

I agree with the posts according to the redefinition of the Gungans: as Grievous is bullying them, they show spirit, and become less naif and useful for the fight.

Anakin / Grievous

Grievous: I didn´t expect you were so young.

Anakin: I expected you were taller, General.

With all respect to the PT, they should fight, at least once, cause Ashoka was dealing with the cyborg in the first 2 seasons.

This cliché could be mended making both characters fight in a dark scenario.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: Nicklab on April 3, 2011, 04:40 PM
I also caught a sleeker Republic fighter like an ARC-170/Z95/Xwing cross.

Gotta pump out some new toys!

The previews have definitely been interesting.  And there's going to be another Dooku vs Anakin lightsaber duel that we can probably surmise will not lead to anything of any consequence.  If anything, I would hope that any lightsaber duels in season 4 will feature Grievous as he continues to take out more Jedi.  Perhaps the Dexter Jettster looking Jedi will serve that purpose and show the Jedi being killed off as we near the events of REVENGE OF THE SITH.

It's also good to see that the Clone troopers are transitioning into the Phase II armor.  We saw some hints of this with the ARC Troopers in season 3, but it seems that all the troops have gotten the new armor now.  And in the Cartoon Network preview it seems that the Clones are wondering about the post-war landscape.  Could there be any discussion amongst them regarding Order 66?  It would certainly cast their relationship with the Jedi generals in a whole new light.

Ackbar being featured in the series will be very cool.  And you have to think that Filoni will be trying to fit in "It's a trap!" into his dialogue, too.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: Jayson on April 3, 2011, 09:51 PM
Definitely Ackbar,

Confirmed. I checked the source code at the site, and the image with the Mon Cal in question is labeled "ackbar (http://starwars.com/img/touts/links/ackbars4_hero.jpg)".
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: Jesse James on April 4, 2011, 02:07 AM
I'm hoping for a Z95...  They've been in the EU since before the EU was the EU, so I'm really hoping those are Z95 type fighters...  it's so customizable, they could be taking liberties and it could still fit within the ship's story.   :-X

I loved that video though, it was great.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: Scockery on April 4, 2011, 11:49 AM
Mon Calamari battle revisisted. They made the old Scuba Clones obsolete, too.

Adi Gallia is back, maybe to die?

Phase 2 helmets don't seem as off movie model as animated phase 1 helmets were. And the belts are movie style now, too, at least in some shots.

Various clones
Deluxe Fisto with aqua jet thingie.
Scuba-Clone
Ackbar
Quarren
Scuba Ahsoka
Jettster Jedi

And if Hasbro doesn't reissue the Clone Wars Magna Guard after seeing that trailer, they have no souls.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: 501ST on April 4, 2011, 11:53 AM
I also caught a sleeker Republic fighter like an ARC-170/Z95/Xwing cross.


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Stills from the trailer:

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Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: Adrian on May 4, 2011, 01:09 PM
 ;D awesome stuff, cant wait
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: Jesse James on June 16, 2011, 01:55 AM
Incase you missed it on the front page earlier, the Official Site put up a nice extended Season 4 Preview Video...  You really need to check it out.

(http://www.jedidefender.com/news/images/1-08/011TCW3D_Season4ExtendedPreview01_TN.jpg)
http://www.starwars.com/video/view/001261.html (http://www.starwars.com/video/view/001261.html)
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: McMetal on June 16, 2011, 11:25 AM
Unbelievable...this is the best one yet. Although it kind of sickens me that Filoni is treading all over the Tartakovsky rendition of that battle. Sorry Dave, he did it better. He did EVERYTHING better.

That aside though, pure awesomeness. Someone please confirm that those were the sticky Felucian things I saw talking to C-3PO...I love how bizarre and un-Star Warsy those things are.

They gotta make that Matrix-esque tunneling droid ship too. 
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: Jesse James on June 16, 2011, 04:07 PM
Is he trashing the 2-D toon, or will they fit together?

I always saw the 2-D toon as perhaps coming from the onset of the war...  As the war opens, small civil wars that were just simmering begin to boil over, and they inevitably take sides in the greater conflict...  I can see these as being two separate battles then.  Seps driven out once, but decide to open up that front again later in the war, for one strategic reason or another.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: McMetal on June 17, 2011, 09:04 AM
Maybe. it is my recollection that the Mon Calamari were fighting the Quarren, not the Separatists per se.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: Jabba the Slug on June 17, 2011, 02:00 PM
To be honest I was kind of expecting more from the new trailer, but I'd gander that Filoni's waiting to show more at SDCC. I wonder if this season will have a central theme.

I'm starting to wonder if Filoni is trying to re-do many previously done battles. He did it with Kamino in Season 3 (that battle had previously shown up in a comic) and he's doing it again with Mon Calamari. By the looks of Ahoska's presence in the battle, it makes sense that he's trying to slip her into previously established lore so that it doesn't look like she's been absent in more than half the stuff created before she was.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: Scockery on June 17, 2011, 07:43 PM
Tartakovsky's stuff isn't "canon" and TCW is, or that's the perception. I fully expect the series to end (?) with a redo of the Battle of Coruscant that won't be the exact same take as Tartakovsky's.

I noticed Padme at the Mon Calamari battle. Ummm...yeah, whatever. Ms. Aggressive Negotiations sure likes the action. Also, another Padme outfit that'll never be made into a toy.  ;)

I liked the line "Great, it's gonna be another one of those planets." Self-mockery of the frequent, irritatingly cutesy aspects of Star Wars, or maybe it was edited to seem that way.

In that vein, seeing Grievous get beat by Gungans will be amusing, if only because Grievous is an overrated menace who was haphazardly thrown into ROTS for what had to be at least 50% marketing/lincensing reasons (basically Old Man Dooku wasn't a sellable fun character).
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: Jesse James on June 18, 2011, 12:12 AM
Maybe. it is my recollection that the Mon Calamari were fighting the Quarren, not the Separatists per se.

The Quarren Isolationist League (or whatever the f it is) are Separatists...  In the 2-D toon, they've got the support of the Seppies, including battledroids on freaky skiffs, and the big lobster cannon thing.

Basically, like I said, I'm kinda looking at them as possibly two separate offensives in the war...  One early in the war, the other later, in an attempt to grasp a strategic planet...  Mon Cal's always described as such throughout the saga, so I like that idea...  For me, a lot of it will depend on what the Clones ultimately look like.  If they've got a more ROTS look than the AOTC look of the 2-D aquatic Clones, I think that'll lend some credence to that...  Or it could be a reimagining.

Either way though, there's lots of room to cram the two together as not cancelling one another out...  Maybe one is the offensive in one area, the other is an offensive in another part of the planet.  Perhaps different points in the war all together as I was theorizing.  Also could be they're two offensives in rapid succession...  There's a ton of "It could be...." type scenarios.  I loved the 2-D incarnation, but I'm open to what the 3-D toon is going to deliver.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: McMetal on July 21, 2011, 09:42 AM
Katee Sackhoff as a female Mando?

Oh, hell yes.  8)

I expect Hasbro will probably have to violate their own "He Man Woman Hater's Club" mentality and actually make a figure of her too. The horrors!

I hate that they are bringing that idiotic kid Lux back though. "Hey, I don't want to be a Separatist anymore so I will run away and join a terrorist group that is backed by those same Separatists." Brilliant.

Hopefully they will just kill him off outright. Jedis don't need love interests.

Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: TheSon on July 21, 2011, 06:42 PM
With the Mando armor there will not be cleavage. That should be enough for one to be bought out of the back room at Target before it ever makes it to a peg, and then is never re ordered in favor of 24 arf troopers that were shipped from a warehouse overstock. Maybe she will shoot Lux and save us the trouble of finding him in a store as wel.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: McMetal on July 21, 2011, 09:14 PM
Followed the live blog of the Clone Wars TV presentation that just wrapped. Not a whole lot of interest there.

Some tidbits for the upcoming season:

Boba and Bossk will be back, along with Dengar.

Confirmed "Captain Ackbar" will be making an appearance, along with some kind of shark-Separatist villain.

Talked about some 4 armed Jedi General, Krell (sp?) Adi Gallia will be back too.

Said Pre and the Death  Watch will be back, confirmed Katee's appearance, did not deny Lux would be a possible love interest for Ahsoka.  ::)

Also confirmed Nightsisters and Savage will be back, along with Asajj.

Filoni has written 8 different possible endings for Ahsoka, ultimate decision will come down from St George.

No new trailer shown.  :(
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: Scockery on July 21, 2011, 10:53 PM
Female Mando, Dengar and anthropromorphic shark man. Seems like the show has more recurring baddies than it can use, actually. Especially when 3 episode long arcs eat away at the 22 episode seasons.

Though, I doubt shark dude will be recurring.

Dengar...there's a make or break character. Will they make him, the least cool of the classic six ESB hunters, more appealling...or will we see some teen Dengar loser?

Lux Interiour as a Ahsoka's love interest. A dead rocker? Wrong guy.  ;)

It's better they don't reveal too much. Because we get these previews and wait 6 months for some episodes to air, having been partially spoiled already. What should be new is old news.

Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: Jesse James on July 21, 2011, 11:10 PM
I hope they premiere the shark guy on Shark Week.  It's coming up.

Matt would want it that way.  :'(
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: EpicGon on July 22, 2011, 01:53 AM
The submarine battle showed great improvisation of mini rigs, many like sledges.

Jettser species is an aquatic turtle

Almost all non human in the spot are anphibius, it lacked some gungans.

Seems like they caught some accuracy in the underwater movements of the characters, cause when fighting, the H2O element tends to ralentize or slow action.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: McMetal on July 22, 2011, 08:41 AM
Yeah, the new scenes look incredible, the visuals in this show are just amazing.

I asked the question on the Blog Cast last night if this battle was supposed to replace the Tartakovsky continuity but I was of course ignored.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: Nicklab on July 23, 2011, 05:45 PM
Caught an interview on Sirius XM's Comic Con radio with Dee Bradley Baker (Clones) & Cat Taber (Padme, night sister) today.  They were pretty tight-lipped about season 4.  But they did let SOME details slip.

Dee mentioned that General Krell (same species as Dexter Jettster) has a 4 part story arc with the Clones, and how his story with these Clone Troopers shapes their perceptions of their place in the war/galaxy. 

The Mon Calamari arc with Ackbar will be a 3 episode story arc.  Ackbar appears, as mentioned in the panel.  Both actors said they were really impressed with the way the water effects looked in the episodes.

Cat Taber confirmed that the Night sisters return, and she plays one of them.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: Jabba the Slug on July 24, 2011, 05:37 AM
I'm pretty excited for the continuation of the Nightsisters arc. It'll no doubt go out with a bang if Savage's story ends this season. Which I'm hoping it won't. Maybe he has a climatic face-off with Ahsoka as the series finale?

I'm stunned that the panel at SDCC didn't include a new trailer, like last year's! Oh well, the new season is approaching, anyway. 
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: EpicGon on August 5, 2011, 10:07 AM
Extended Season 4 trailer

1. A guy like Desan working for Dooku. (lizard character)
2. Grieevous still fighting Jedi without telekinesis power.
3. Best depiction of Rex and clones in animated 3D style.
4. Mon  Calamari guys very naif in depiction... fans can appreciate
 more their ondulatory moves on water scenes.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: Dave on August 14, 2011, 09:27 PM
Not a specific season question, but does anyone know if there is a guide to what is G rated within the Clone Wars episodes and what is PG?  My 4-year old has been bugging me to watch "Star Wars" (Clone Wars cartoons) and we've watched a few from season 1 & 2 DVDs, but I can only clearly remember a few of these being both entertaining and G rated.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: Nicklab on August 16, 2011, 11:12 AM
Another trailer has been posted.  Check out The Clone Wars Season 4 "Battle Lines" Trailer (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uAo6eP6he-M)
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: Brian on August 16, 2011, 02:23 PM
Kind of digging all the trailers we've seen so far.  I have to admit, while I still enjoyed it, I was one who was a little down on last season as well (just seemed a little slower than Seasons 1 or 2, still some good stuff though).  That being said, really looking forward to Season 4.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: Nicklab on August 16, 2011, 03:01 PM
I don't think people really grasped the concept of Season 3 (Secrets Revealed) until later on in the season.  It wasn't until then that it became clear that they were trying to tell some of the backstory to plot points that had been explored in both Season 1 & 2.  Plus, the political stories didn't really translate well to the animated series.  Perhaps it was intended to be that transitional point for the eventual shift towards the ROTS era?

Season 4, OTOH, seems dark and forboding.  I gather that some of the darker settings are the Umbara storyline.  And the Mon Calamari scenes look far better than anything we saw in the Tartakovsky series.  Yes, I said it.  That stuff looked like 2D animation crap, and it was dated within a year of it's release.  I'm also wondering what the deal is with all the Togruta that were lined up.  There was a storyline in the CW comics about Togruta being taken as slaves.  Is Filoni going to explore that storyline which was very much focused on Ahsoka?  Hmmm....
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: Scockery on August 16, 2011, 08:52 PM
 To some folks the Tartakovsky series was the greatest thing since light-saber sliced white bread. I thought it had its moments, but was mostly brief snippets and in the big picture, as disposable as any EU stuff of its time.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: Jabba the Slug on August 17, 2011, 01:22 AM
Season 4, OTOH, seems dark and forboding.  I gather that some of the darker settings are the Umbara storyline. 

I had read in the latest Star Wars 'Insider' that Filoni considered the Umbara storyline much darker because clones will actually be shooting at real people - not droids. Not something over the top, but for kids it does make a big difference.

I would say what got me excited the most from this new trailer was Ventress & Nightsisters vs. Grievous. OH. YEAH.

Where's Savage Opress? >:D
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: EpicGon on August 17, 2011, 12:37 PM
August 2011 extended trailer, what Filoni Team has achieve and what they need to improve.

1. Count Dooku still bears a large conical head, kinda Rapa Nui monolitic sculpture or Ki Adi Mundi, they need to soften his trace.
2. Clones have evolved specially on rots gear, when they remove their helmets, their heads are regular size, have overcome the vice to bubble heads of the first season.
3. Anakin and Obi Wan are better proportioned, although they tend to heoic height (9 heads tall), Asoka is presented less bubble head than on seasons 1 and 2, but perhaps they could improve more her depiction.
4. Calamari young warriors have been design reusing Naddar Vebb head, when looking at close up of this teenagers or 20 years old guys they look like clones of Naddar. Better a fictional universe of difference.
5. Some combat scenes from secondary characters like ordinary battle droids, aqua droids, low rank clones look pressed by time of edition, they are exposed to a rain of laser rays Rex escapes this leitmotif, but is neccesary to
vary combat schemes.
6. Hope to listen to a more complex dialogue, not at a level too hard for kids, but at a medium degree of complication.
7. Submarine city is ok, it will give insight on Mon Calamari technology.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: Jesse James on August 17, 2011, 07:30 PM
I can't say I'm looking at the 3-D toon as replacing the Battle of Mon Calamari really...  There's nothing to say the two battles don't occur at separate points of the war.  The EU's always said that the Quarren/Mon Cal were at odds, even into the Rebellion era where they both join the Alliance.

So to me, right now, I'm just looking at them as the Tartakovsky event taking place earlier in the war, and the CW3D events taking place later in the war, till I see a good reason to feel otherwise.  In that time, equipment would change and stuff, and Fisto makes a pretty good choice to lead the defense the planet both times.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: McMetal on August 18, 2011, 08:52 PM
To some folks the Tartakovsky series was the greatest thing since light-saber sliced white bread.

Yes, that would be me. I hold a reverence for that series that is unrivalled by any other EU.

You really cannot compare that to the current series, IMHO. It's like trying to compare Citizen Kane to the Matrix. Both are great, but coming from very different points of origin.

Tarts is all about creating art, using animation as a visual medium for sublime expression. His take is restrained, full of atmosphere and shaded by nuance. It's not a blow you away thrill ride like we got in the Point Rain arc of the new show. There's a stylized, abstract element, not only in the art but in the plotting and execution of the action. It's more methodical, all about pacing.

As for the art and animation styling, I guess "dated" is just a matter of opinion. I suspect many people consider the early Warner Bros animation to be dated as well, because no computers were involved, but that stuff beats the living **** out of anything being trawled out today, if you ask me. Give me hand rendered cells over CGI every day of the week.

Tarts was never aiming to be "hyper-realistic" in his interpretation of the SW universe, it's just his unique vision, very much an outgrowth of the Samurai Jack motif.

And yeah, I can definitely see how that would not appeal to everyone. It's a unique perspective to be sure, and if it's not personally appealing it would be tough to get engaged with the stories.

Final note: Best thing about the micro-series is that they f-ing killed off Asajj Ventress without dragging that weak ass storyline way past its due. Filoni seems completely unable or unwilling to kill any villains in his series, just good guys. So as a result you have a whole universe of major league scumbags walking around that have somehow scattered into the woodwork prior to ROTS.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: TheSon on August 19, 2011, 09:02 PM
I think the stage is set for some carnage. I know it is a kids show, but at some point it will have to give. It makes perfect sense for Filoni to have Dooku kill off ventress at some point when she tries to seek revenge. I am hoping for a season four with no episodes about poisoned tea. The teasers look fantastic. Only a few more weeks and we should have new star wars on the small screen again!
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: Scockery on August 21, 2011, 09:01 PM
 I won't debate Tartakovsky's style much, other than not caring for some of his character designs (I could same the same for the current Clone Wars, too) and the exaggeration of force powers. Some of his action scenes are quite cool. But  storywise, the only segment that mattered (besides the introduction of Grievous, which is muddled by the inconsitencies between CW and ROTS versions of the character), was the attack on Coruscant, that leads into ROTS (and was far better than the opening battle/rescue of ROTS that follows it...I'm definately giving Tartakovsky credit there.)

Anyone could argue that parts of Filoni's series don't matter much or don't mesh with the movies. I'd probably agree with them on some points.


Final note: Best thing about the micro-series is that they f-ing killed off Asajj Ventress without dragging that weak ass storyline way past its due. Filoni seems completely unable or unwilling to kill any villains in his series, just good guys. So as a result you have a whole universe of major league scumbags walking around that have somehow scattered into the woodwork prior to ROTS.


The microseries didn't kill Ventress off concretely enough for other folks not to reuse her. 

 Ventress and Durge were one-note disposable characters. It's only  Filoni's Clone Wars use of Ventress that makes her anything to me. Before that she was an EU baddie that as far real canon goes, might as well have never existed Durge was created to replace Jango, then offed immediately...dispite being harder to kill than most life forms (yeah, he came back in a comic book...I don't care).  Filler characters until Grievous comes along, only existing because we can't have the Jedi battling movie characters, that would mess with the flow of the next film (Oops...someone forgot to tell Filoni and Company...."I'm twice as powerful as when we last met, Dooku!"....."Ah, yes on Tatooine...no, I mean when were prisoners of those space pirates..."  :P)

Also the microseries' battle droid voices were better.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: Jabba the Slug on August 28, 2011, 05:15 PM
Filler characters until Grievous comes along, only existing because we can't have the Jedi battling movie characters, that would mess with the flow of the next film (Oops...someone forgot to tell Filoni and Company...."I'm twice as powerful as when we last met, Dooku!"....."Ah, yes on Tatooine...no, I mean when were prisoners of those space pirates..."  :P)

There better not be anymore Grievous vs. Obi-Wan duels. It's very old. I can count 3+ duels between them in the TCW series already.

There better be something special about the upcoming Anakin vs. Dooku duel. Maybe Anakin has a dark side moment and is about to deliver the killing blow but is interrupted somehow. That would make the duel in ROTS even better.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: Rune Haako on August 30, 2011, 07:27 PM
A New Trailer! ;D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bf75SVJ6oiM
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: Jesse James on September 11, 2011, 02:50 PM
I noticed what seems to be the BARC w/Sidecar in the new CW trailer...  Interesting.  Wonder if it was cut from an episode but still got the toy?
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: TheSon on September 14, 2011, 07:45 PM
I am hoping Friday night's double feature has the same sizzle that last year's season 3 opener had. The Akbar water war episode should give us a nice heavy action start to the season. The dud factor may be higher with the gungans in the second episode. As long as Filoni does not waste six episodes in the middle of the season on Senate deliberations we should be in for a good ride.

can't wait
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: 501ST on September 16, 2011, 10:40 AM
As long as Filoni does not waste six episodes in the middle of the season on Senate deliberations we should be in for a good ride.

Agreed.......
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: Scockery on September 16, 2011, 10:34 PM
The young leader stepping up to the plate plot never ceases to make me  ::) .  (Notice how all these Star Wars planets are monarchies?)

The Mon Calamari and Quarren seem like a population of maybe a mid-sized Earth city. Sure, this was just one major city, but there's a lack of a  sense of a global scale conflict there, especially when the highest ranking officer is "Captain Ackbar".

Apparently animating Boss Nass wasn't in the budget. WEESA OVERSA BOMBAD BUDGET! "Heesa retired!"

How the Gungan energy balls work underwater without...we may never know.  :P (I have no idea how they work on land anyway...ion weapons? EMPs?)

Jar Jar hugging Meena. Ha!

Kit Fisto got his green butt kicked by Jabberjaw.  Wow. Tartakovsky was much kinder to him.

I found it all pretty so-so. But I was tired when I watched it.

Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: McMetal on September 16, 2011, 10:51 PM
Yeah, Filoni has no respect for the Jedi, they are constantly getting their asses handed to them in this series. Tartakovsky really went the other way, emphasizing their almost godlike powers.

I enjoyed the episodes but they should have edited this whole arc down to one hour. I assume there is at least one more episode next week to wrap everything up.

Rik Enson seems like it would be a hard figure to do, but it's a given. No doubt on the Aqua Clone Warriors coming too. Would also like to see animated Ackbar and a Quarren.

The little underwater skiff seems like it should be made by now, we've seen that a few times. Could fit well in the Deluxe line.

Good stuff overall, didn't blow me away, but solid.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: Jesse James on September 16, 2011, 11:17 PM
Didn't get to watch, was at varsity ballgame tonight, but anxious to watch tomorrow or Sunday evening.  Trying to stay kind of away from the "spoiler" thing.  :)  Hope this is a good opener though.  They really need to make up for last year's sort of slow season.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: Diddly on September 17, 2011, 12:30 AM
Where do you guys catch these online? Are they on SW.com, Hulu or do you download them?
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: Jabba the Slug on September 17, 2011, 04:14 AM
Where do you guys catch these online? Are they on SW.com, Hulu or do you download them?

With last season, the episodes were put up on SW.com the Monday following their release.

Not disappointing, but definitely not on the scale of last season's opening. To be honest, I'm tired of seeing Anakin and Obi-Wan thrown into every battle there is (good thing Obi wasn't in it, but yeah). It's very redundant. I don't get why Padme was there to begin with.

Like someone said above, this battle didn't feel like a global conflict. The shark baddie design was odd, I'll be happy when this arc is over.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: Scockery on September 17, 2011, 11:19 AM
I don't get why Padme was there to begin with.

The animators just thought she'd look hot in a wetsuit.  :)

One other thing I wondered is the lack of a space  conflict near Mon Calamari (like Christophsis and Ryloth). Both sides just figured...let the other side land troops...what the hey.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: Darby on September 17, 2011, 11:27 AM
I was kind of underwhelmed too.  The visuals were pretty good, but I got tired of the sense that they filmed the thing in a bathtub.  If it's so cloudy down there, why are your glass tube things so clear?

The strategy in the battles has never made sense and it doesn't here.  The Gungans were kind of cool, but of course you had to have some requisite stupidity "Thinkin time is done!"  Lots of toy potential, but like with Geonosis there's a missed opportunity in leaving Rex in this case on the sidelines and not in his own scuba gear (why didn't Rex or Cody wear camo during Geonosis like everyone else?).

Anyway, it was ok.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: TheSon on September 17, 2011, 04:07 PM
I have to agree I was a bit underwhelmed also...Oh my! Count Dooku is going to go back on his word! This would have played out much better as a 44 minute pure battle with less of a focus on diplomacy.

I am hoping that when I get a chance to watch it again it will be better.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: darth_sidious on September 17, 2011, 11:21 PM
I love Mon Cals, they are one of my favorite species, so in that respect I thought the season 4 pilot was pretty good just because we were thrown into that world again.  I'm a bit tired of Dooku and most of the Separatists - I wish Sidious would do more in the series.  I'd love to see more dark elements, like the Nightsisters returning.  One of, if not the worst Separatist is that ridiculous Shark that was straight out of the animated movie "Shark Tale" - what a horrendous concept.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: EpicGon on September 17, 2011, 11:46 PM
First impressions:

Kit Fisto acted as Namour, was the one who could stand the shark guy.

Shrak guy more animalistic than other species, he attacks with his head, bites, etc. His suit isolates blaster. Perhaps he deserves a battle with Anakin.

The predominance of dark background underwater, sometimes confusing animation.

Calamari and Quarrens don´t wear boot or shoes under water. A detail that fits with their submarine cities.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: iFett on September 18, 2011, 08:14 PM
Meh...Not a good start to the season, but its good to have new episodes airing again.  Just gotta feel bad for the kids who can't find good CW figs on the pegs.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: Scockery on September 18, 2011, 08:30 PM
If they'd actually bothered to ship Aqua-Droids in real numbers. Yeah, it's coming back at one per case. Not enough to cover those who missed them the first time around.

Someone pointed out a scene that  was stupid in the these episodes, the tube breaks and the prince's Mon Cal guards appear to fall to their doom...underwater? What?
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: TheSon on September 18, 2011, 10:27 PM
Here is my Marvel "No Prize" on the tubes... They have a current system that allows for quicker travel. The guards were behind where the tube was cut, and would have been pushed out into water. For anyone who has ever spent time in a riptide it is not too hard to believe that they were pushed off into darker water. Ahsoka and the prince swim off before they have a chance to swim back and come back into frame.
I agree, a bit of a stretch but this is the answer we would get from Filoni if we asked.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: Jesse James on September 19, 2011, 03:46 PM
I didn't mind the episode...  I'm looking at it as, like I was thinking, a "2nd battle of Mon Cal" during the war...  The first one taking place early in the war when everyone's picking sides, things settled down then, but picked back up later on in the war.

I thought the underwater stuff was a little confusing, and I was disappointed they didn't have dry places inside the cities so the hero characters weren't CONSTANTLY in swim suits.  When do they sleep?  How?  It's just weird.  I'd have preferred seeing some interior then that wasn't just water, but that's me.  They're amphibious obviously, they can easily live in both environments, so yeah.

On the tube thing, I thought they got pulled down by the suction of the thing that hit the tube?  That seemed plausible to me anyway.

The "young leader" thing is tired...  It almost seemed like they were trying a WW2 British thing with the Ackbar/Prince characters.

I love the Shark guy...  It's JediMAC's dream Star Wars character I think, and I liked his competence, and loyalty.  Cool all around.

Loved the underwater speeders for an air of "space" combat underwater.

I can do without seeing space combat with this situation and just assume it's going on, or that the Seps/Republic are both stretched so thin that neither is willing to engage their ships in orbit, and are just avoiding each other as best as possible.  Considering this is STAR WARS though, it'd be nice to see more space combat.  Season 1 had more, and it was a highlight every time IMO.

The "Independance Day" nod was kind of dumb I thought.  Why is crashing that thing into the Jelly Fish of Doom more effective than shooting it?  Do the Mon Cal/Quarren not have large artillery of any kind?

I too didn't like the scope of this...  One could maybe assume more is going on elsewhere, but yeah, this felt small in scope/scale. 

Would've liked to have seen some more of the Tartakovsky designs get re-used like the sea horse cavalry.  That battle actually was more epic.  Go figure.

I am not a big fan of JUST aqua droid replacing all the droids from Tartakovsky either.  There were cool designs there, and why wouldn't a regular BD function?  Specialized ones I get totally, but regulars could function too, especially with their little speeders they had, or some larger under water vehicles would've been even cooler (sub-like tanks, etc.).

Not great...  no Landing at Point Rain, but not the worst by any means.  Curious to see how this season progresses.  I wasn't underwhelmed, but I wasn't floored either.  Just kind of intrigued on the future of the season is all.  Besides the speeder things, I saw nothing great in the realm of toys.  Well, I would buy the shark guy.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: iFett on September 19, 2011, 04:02 PM
I got bored with the episode and stopped it about 3/4 the way in.  I don't think it really needed to be an "hour" long and the somewhat blurriness of them being underwater didn't argee with my eyes for some reason.

Does Kit Fisto smile in each episode he's in?

Shark guy was cool though.   :)
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: Jeff on September 19, 2011, 05:37 PM
I love the Shark guy...  It's JediMAC's dream Star Wars character I think, and I liked his competence, and loyalty.  Cool all around.

I was impressed at how shark guy seemingly was running around biting everyone he saw, but there was pretty much no blood due to the rating...  just lots of bubbles everywhere.

Both of my five-year olds agree with you 100%, JJ - shark guy was "the best bad guy since that blue guy with the hat and funny robot - you know, Carbane".
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: Jesse James on September 19, 2011, 08:44 PM
Cars on the brain with Carbane? :)

I'm glad I'm in tune with the youngsters.  I think it somehow makes my opinion on what makes a cool toy more valid now.  ;D  I bet they like Rebel Fleet Troopers too, right?  Right.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: Matt R. on September 19, 2011, 11:11 PM
The episode were good but not great.  I didn't care for the whole bathtub look to it (like it was film in a bathtub water), Gungans were cool but I felt they were wasted, they should been saved for the third episode.  No Rex in his scuba gear,  hopefully I am jumping the gun on Rex.  and last the third episode we all know that Ahsoka and the Calamari prince is going to save the day. 
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: McMetal on September 23, 2011, 08:52 PM
Liked: Ackbar Wand! It actually does something!
          Karkodons
          Awesome Indy nod: "Eels - very dangerous" I was waiting for "you go first"...
          Awesome Jaws nod at the end - Also waiting for "Smile you son of a b..."

And SPOILER ALERT - (SORRY) - They finally freaking killed the bad guy! Hallelujah! I've been waiting for that for like, forever.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: EpicGon on September 24, 2011, 01:46 PM
Nice resolution to the conflict. Aqua speeder served as good devices, bringing variety to the background, but action happened a bit pressed.

So Calamari prince needed a bomb knife to kill Shark guy?
It resembles Jaws, but enough funny for the show.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: Scockery on September 24, 2011, 10:01 PM
Mediocre at best arc, went on an ep too long. The Quarren come off as easily mislead fools. Padme was around soley for being placed in jeopardy. In the movies, Dooku was supposed to be charismatic, here he's a thug delegating power to Tamson who is of course, a thug. Hard to make the seperatist cause convincing when they are outright jerks to the people they are supposedly trying to win over.

Also, while I know it hardly matters for the sake of a cartoon, but how do the aquatic aliens talk underwater?

Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: Rune Haako on September 25, 2011, 01:56 AM
Here's a MAJOR spoiler for next weeks episode titled Shadow Warrior for those they may want to watch it.

You've been warned. ;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cmlAc5sDR48&feature=player_embedded

Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: Jabba the Slug on September 25, 2011, 05:33 AM
Here's a MAJOR spoiler for next weeks episode titled Shadow Warrior for those they may want to watch it.

You've been warned. ;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cmlAc5sDR48&feature=player_embedded

Is the Gungan fighting Grievous who I think it is...?

The last 3 episodes had no real depth to them like the Savage Opress arc of episodes did.

And was it Filoni or the Separatists that never really thought out the plans for the clone prisoners? Think about it: they're all underwater, kept alive presumably by oxygen tanks. Those tanks must fail/run out eventually, right? I would have liked to seen the Separatists at their worst by disconnecting all of the clones' apparatus and thus drowning them in the process.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: Rune Haako on September 25, 2011, 02:33 PM
Yeah it's the Gungan you think it is. :)
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: EpicGon on September 28, 2011, 01:30 AM
Nice duel on Shadows warrior preview, but only something that could have been avoided

Dooku give his back as a direct target in two risky maneauvers before Anakin.

He could has been slashed or thrusted by a saber blade for initiating the fights with that moves.

But it´s ok: the dark side controls everything, even the coreography.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: Scockery on September 30, 2011, 10:33 AM
Dooku has Magna guards backing him up, though. Since the Sith cheat at duels.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: Scockery on September 30, 2011, 10:41 PM
Minor spoilers for DARK WARRIOR (not sure what that title has to do with anything).

Tonight's Seperatist conspirator was named after http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cardinal_Richelieu (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cardinal_Richelieu).

Good episode...more happened here than in that entire last story ark. Though, the idea was almost a retread of that and Bombad Jedi.

Padme's teen clothes still fit her.

How damned pathetic is the Republic that Seperatist forces land on Naboo unopposed?

They should of saved this episode for TPM rerelease. Can always rerun it.

I saw of lot of potential for toys they'll never make.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: Jabba the Slug on September 30, 2011, 11:40 PM
Wow. This episode was better than the last three. The Gungan vs. Grievous duel was intense!
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: EpicGon on October 1, 2011, 07:18 PM
Finally watched the episode 4th

Nice duel betwwen Anakin and Dooku, but not the best one. (Dooku cheated with his magna guards and the scenery was a bit dark)

The capture of Grievous was something unexpected, but less shoking than that Vader capture before anh on the
game TFU 2, which most OT fans do not accept all as cannon. (Due to the order of some events)

I think they shouldn´t have killed Tarpals, cause Jar Jar will lack from support in newest episodes or seasons.

BTW, watchable.  :)
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: Scockery on October 1, 2011, 10:19 PM
Cardinal Richalieu's  Rish Loo's Secret lair is a BIG STONE FACE ON THE SIDE OF A MOUNTAIN.

Anakin gets captured and tortured in two storylines in a row. What a loser.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: McMetal on October 4, 2011, 09:24 AM
Meh, completely disposable, I barely even remember what happened. I did like the Gungans schooling Grievous. That was pretty sweet. I'd like to think we'd get an animated Tarpals, but at this point I don't think it even matters anymore.

So I guess it's actually between THAT episode and ROTS where Anakin's powers doubled?  ::) Yeah, that might be nice to start thinking about doubling your powers because for being the most powerful Jedi ever you sure seem to get your ass handed to you a lot.

Just once I would like to see some Jedi pull some kick-ass Starkiller moves, like the Force Explosion or throwing the lightsabers, telekinesis, some cool stuff like that. Their attacks are so predictable.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: Matt_Fury on October 4, 2011, 02:17 PM
Every week I get closer and closer to taking this series out of my DVR's to do list.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: Jesse James on October 4, 2011, 02:48 PM
I'm actually really glad the Starkiller stuff remains in the EU, and doesn't creep into the series...  It's too over-the-top to me.

I thought it was neat to see Dooku "caught off guard", sort of, when Anakin threw all the Magna Guards off him...  He got his ass handed to him, but it took a Sith Lord of some power + a gaggle of guards to do it.

I liked the Tarpals angle but seeing his demise was odd...  A little sad.  But he gave himself up for a good reason.  An actual cool Gungan?  Who'da thunk it?
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: Jabba the Slug on October 5, 2011, 11:52 PM
So I guess it's actually between THAT episode and ROTS where Anakin's powers doubled?  ::) Yeah, that might be nice to start thinking about doubling your powers because for being the most powerful Jedi ever you sure seem to get your ass handed to you a lot.

I actually think it's a good lead-in for their duel in ROTS - I mean, the fact that Dooku was obviously shocked that Anakin didn't stop there and then Dooku taking that breather at the end really shows that he's aware Anakin's more powerful. Sure, Anakin got his ass handed to him, but it really remakes the ROTS duel... I'm just hoping that Filoni doesn't add another Dooku vs. Anakin fight before the series ends.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: Nicklab on October 6, 2011, 09:47 AM
I still feel as though Anakin has faced off against Dooku TOO MANY times.  There's the duel in AOTC, another in TCW animated feature, and again this past week.  It does seem to diminish lightsaber duels in general.  They're not supposed to be a common occurrance.  And yet we've got 4 or more villains in the mix who are armed with lightsabers. 
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: Scockery on October 7, 2011, 10:20 PM
DROIDS THE LOST EPISODES....R2-D2 and C-3PO meet Ents and suffer racist clones.

While not bad per se, it didn't do much for me. "Oh, great, it's gonna be one of those episodes..." er..."planets".

5 episodes in the season and no Obi-Wan...
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: Darby on October 8, 2011, 10:23 AM
This episode was well directed and made good use of the droids.  But like everything else on the show now, it's very slight.  The attitude of the clones was off putting - mostly because it wasn't contested that much. 
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: McMetal on October 9, 2011, 10:20 PM
I bet Adam Pawlus loved this episode, as he, like me, is a sucker for lost "DROIDS" episodes.

Kind of fun and mindless, but ultimately a bit of a waste. I feel like they spin their wheels sometime trying to make simple points. (IE: Clones are starting to turn bad)

The underground things were creepy and cool, but I'm too jaded to even enjoy that kind of stuff anymore because all I can think is, that would make a really cool toy and there is no way they will ever do it.  :(
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: Jesse James on October 10, 2011, 05:13 PM
Some ok elements, but kind of dumb.

LIked Wolfe's duds though.  He'd make a slick new Clone.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: Jayson on October 10, 2011, 07:07 PM
Some ok elements, but kind of dumb.

LIked Wolfe's duds though.  He'd make a slick new Clone.

For sure. A simple helmet swap (http://starwars.com/explore/encyclopedia/characters/clonecommanderwolffe/) and recolor of the existing figure's deco would be a pretty easy double-dip for Hasbro.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: Brian on October 10, 2011, 09:07 PM
I liked this episode pretty well, and I can't say that I've thought any of this season's episodes have been bad or anything, but I do have a hard time getting too jazzed about them anymore.  I still like the show and everything, but I can't say that there have been a lot of episodes lately that were "man, that was awesome" type of shows.  It is nice having weekly Star Wars though.  I know they had originally planned 5 seasons, but since it has been successful there may be more, but I hope they don't hang on too long either.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: Nicklab on October 10, 2011, 10:37 PM
I think what's lacking in the series is any kind of emotional investment from the audience.  We know where the main characters have come from, and we know where most of them are going.  Anakin, Obi-Wan, Padme, Yoda, Dooku, etc all have to hang in there in order to maintain the continuity that brings the characters to Episode III. 

The only key characters who could face that kind of jeopardy are Ahsoka, Rex, Asajj Ventress and Savage Opress.  We saw something like that with Captain Tarpals a couple of weeks ago.  But until someone like Ashoka or Rex starts getting killed, I think the series is going to be lacking in drama.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: Jesse James on October 10, 2011, 10:50 PM
To me, the formula's simple...  Warrin' and whorin' but never borrin'.  Landing at Point Rain is, for me, the benchmark that they've never really reached with anything since.  Close at times, but not quite.  It's a massive galactic war, and they avoid it too much. 

I want to see Clones...  at war... 

And since Star Wars is in the title, I'd like to see more of this take place in space too. 

Starfighters, **** blowing up, Clones dying, Clones killing droids, Clones going crazy with their skills, Seppie leaders destroying Clones (Playing up the "heroes on both sides" thing is always fun to see when the heroes are the seppie leaders), planets being devastated by the war.

3PO/R2 in an Alice in Wonderland type thing, meh...
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: Brian on October 12, 2011, 09:29 AM
Saw this on EW today:

Darth Maul Returns Spring 2012 (http://insidetv.ew.com/2011/10/12/star-wars-clone-wars-darth-maul/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter)
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: Nicklab on October 12, 2011, 11:26 AM
If only they can get Peter Serafinowicz to voice him again.  His one funny bastard!
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: Jeff on October 12, 2011, 11:29 AM
Hmm...  so Savage is searching for Maul... and Maul is ending up on the CW 2012 packaging.  Anyone else think that's pretty much a guarantee that Savage is going to be finding Darth Maul in Season 4 of the animated series?  Or an animated series Maul finding his way into the line?  :D

Can I say "I told you so" now?  :P
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: Dressel Rebel on October 12, 2011, 12:02 PM
A good old fashioned Marvel Universe style resurrection makes it's way to Star Wars!
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: iFett on October 12, 2011, 12:07 PM
So putting Vader in a black suit is how Palpy cheated death?  I don't buy that, but whatever.  Hope Maul's reintroduction doesn't suck as bad as this season has been so far.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: Scott on October 12, 2011, 01:07 PM
I had always took that line that way...Palpy cheated Anakin's death by keeping him alive with the Dark Side...there is no way he survives otherwise

Which begs the question...why didn't he just off himself?  What did he have to live for other than pure hate of killing any remaining Jedi
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: Master_Phruby on October 12, 2011, 04:59 PM
I think Anakin explained that to Padme. He wanted to reinvent the Republic so it wasn't so corrupt. It would be lead by a wise ruler.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: Jesse James on October 12, 2011, 05:06 PM
I kind of figured that too...  Remember Palps coming up to Ani and touching him for some reason?  I always figured he was doing something all Sithy with him.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: Scockery on October 12, 2011, 06:10 PM
I blame the EU for all of this. (It started with the Emperor coming back in Dark Empire...NO ONE REMIND LUCAS OF THAT...)

All we need is for a post ROTS resurrection of Grievous and we can right off anything that Obi-Wan ever did. Failed to Maul, failed to kill Anakin, failed to stop Luke from getting maimed by Vader, EVEN IN DEATH YOU FAIL, KENOBI.  (Or at least, from a certain point of  view).

Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: Jabba the Slug on October 12, 2011, 09:37 PM
Found this - http://www.usatoday.com/life/comics/story/2011-10-11/darth-maul-returns/50736578/1 - on Scum, too... sorry for the untidy appearance of the link, I'm still trying to figure out how to properly post links on these new forums.

AAAH, HE'S BACK!! ;D I know there's that risk that his backstory will be totally effed-up, but I, for one, am totally excited!

Based on the picture, I'm guessing Filoni used Maul's appearance in the 'Visionaries' comic where he's a cyborg as the basis for the character model.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: Jayson on October 12, 2011, 09:41 PM
I had always took that line that way...Palpy cheated Anakin's death by keeping him alive with the Dark Side...there is no way he survives otherwise

Which begs the question...why didn't he just off himself?  What did he have to live for other than pure hate of killing any remaining Jedi

Isn't the cheating death ("a power only one has achieved") line a reference to Qui-Gon communicating to Yoda through the Force?
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: McMetal on October 12, 2011, 09:42 PM
It's just too weak for words, really. There's about 99 different ways that this sucks but I'm too weary of the whole thing anymore to even work up a good rant about it. It cheapens Obi-Wan's legacy; it defies all common sense and reasonable suspension of disbelief; it further reinforces the absurd trend that only good guys die on this show and villains just multiply, etc, etc.

It's just crass revisionism of the worst variety. Sorry that Lucas created such a cool character and then immediately killed him off, but that's the way the ball bounced. Deal with it. Need to pump the fanboy well for some love? Fine, delve into his backstory. Do some flashback shiite, whatever. But COME ON - dude was severed in two fing pieces! And dropped down an enormous nuclear silo or whatever that thing was. I mean , done. End of story.

Just stupid, stupid, stupid.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: Diddly on October 12, 2011, 11:56 PM
 ::)

I think Clone Wars has officially jumped the shark
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: Matt_Fury on October 13, 2011, 12:29 AM
Anyone who saw the Savage Oppress episodes knew this travesty was coming.  Now you know why none of the Clone Wars series has made it into my DVD/Blu Ray collection.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: Scockery on October 13, 2011, 01:01 PM
Doesn't having Maul around violate the Sith rule of two? Assuming Palpatine is ignorant of Maul's survival, can or cannot Palpatine sense when someone is strong in the darkside? He sure decided it was time to off Ventress. Though, he was unaware she survived (at least until Dooku knew). Hmmm...
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: Jesse James on October 13, 2011, 04:19 PM
Sith math jokes are what we're reduced to.  :-[
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: Scockery on October 14, 2011, 09:19 PM
NOMAD DROIDS was fluff but was better than the previous one.  The pit droids were amusing.

In two weeks, part one of a 4 parter with the Not-Dexter Jettster Jedi...yikes, 4 parts is a good chunk of a 22 episode season.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: P-Siddy on October 14, 2011, 10:28 PM
I am catching up on this season and finished 3 and 4 last night.

I was surprised in Episode 3 how the Separatists aren't being subtile that the Quarrens are being used. I would assume they would be helpful until the war is won and then crush the Quarrens' freedom.

Episode 4 just seemed rushed... just to get to the hostage scene (because Grievous has a bigger picture, etc). And once they do the exchange, it looks like the Gungans repaired Grievous back to his former self, where Anakin was lifeless.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: Jabba the Slug on October 15, 2011, 03:13 AM
I've lost all faith in this series. The blantantly obvious homage to 'The Wizard of Oz' is kinda lame when you get down to the fact that this is Star Wars, and not some other kid's cartoon.

Tartakovsky's 2003 series was TCW at its best. Now we have this new series destroying all that previously-established canon and including lame plot points. I'd say the only thing I'm looking forward to from this series now is the Darth Maul storyline. 
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: Jesse James on October 15, 2011, 09:27 PM
I loved Friday's episode.  Just watched it after some downtime, and it had me laughing...  I liked how the droids powered down and had a nice "moment" together showing how much they care about each other.  I liked seeing 3PO hooked up to a power cord (explains his circle on his gut).

I loved the Pit Droids too, having "slaves" with the organics...  They were just too funny.  It made them almost more interesting than in the movie, that's for sure.

Good episode for what it was.  Far better than last week which is odd since it was more of the same too, yet was somehow just vastly superior.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: Nicklab on October 15, 2011, 10:09 PM
This week's episode seemed to draw on a few things.  First, the droids in a Y-Wing.  That totally took me back to the animated segment from the Holiday Special.

Then there's the first segment.  Filoni's homage to Gulliver's Travels anyone?  That certainly seemed to be the direction of the first planet.

The second planet was clearly a tip of the hat to the Wizard of Oz.  And with Pit Droids as the Wizard?  There does seem to be some love within Lucasfilm for the Pit Droids, because they're something of an homage to the Three Stooges.  That kind of slapstick is a nice bit of comic relief.  Especially with the turn the series is about to take.

I got to catch up with Ashley Eckstein (voice of Ahsoka Tano) at NY Comic Con today.  And she asked me what I thought of the season so far.  I told her that I thought the characters needed to face some real danger, and seeing Captain Tarpals demise seemed to indicate that things are going to get serious.  She said that the next story arc of 4 episodes is going to get more serious, but couldn't eleborate much beyond that.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: P-Siddy on October 15, 2011, 10:18 PM
I got to catch up with Ashley Eckstein (voice of Ahsoka Tano) at NY Comic Con today.  And she asked me what I thought of the season so far.  She said that the next story arc of 4 episodes is going to get more serious, but couldn't eleborate much beyond that.

Ahsoka dies??? (no, probably not, but wouldn't that be sad)
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: Nicklab on October 16, 2011, 12:00 PM
I asked no such question, and Ashley was very clear about the fact that she couldn't say much at all.  I pretty much figured out that she was talking about the story arc with the Clones & General Krell on Umbara.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: McMetal on October 16, 2011, 08:47 PM
I think these past 2 episodes have been a little high on the whimsy factor, but compared to some of the previous seasons' low points they're still not all that bad. Seems pretty clear there is little to no toy fodder to be mined from these DROIDS esque adventures though.

Why is everything off next Friday? No Clone Wars, no Fringe, etc.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: Jimree on October 17, 2011, 01:47 PM
Nuke the Fridge.com is reporting Sam Witwer is voicing Darth Maul.

I reported last april from the Pittsburgh Comic Con that Sam was voicing a character in upcoming Clone Wars episodes.

http://www.jedidefender.com/newspro/fullnews.cgi?newsid1303172652,28554,


Thanks,
Jim
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: Nicklab on October 17, 2011, 05:13 PM
Nuke the Fridge.com is reporting Sam Witwer is voicing Darth Maul.

I reported last april from the Pittsburgh Comic Con that Sam was voicing a character in upcoming Clone Wars episodes.

http://www.jedidefender.com/newspro/fullnews.cgi?newsid1303172652,28554,


Thanks,
Jim


Frankly, I think that news sucks.

Peter Serafinowicz originally voiced Darth Maul for TPM.  And he's developed a pretty solid rep as a comedic actor in both the UK and the US since then.  His twitter feed alone is HILARIOUS!  I'm very disappointed that he didn't get the gig.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: Scockery on October 19, 2011, 10:22 AM
I'm tired of Sam Witwer. Also, Clancy Brown, Miguel Ferrer and a few others. Good for them getting work, but cartoon villains are starting to sound the same like they did in the 70's and 80's.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: McMetal on October 19, 2011, 10:38 AM
I'm tired of Sam Witwer. Also, Clancy Brown, Miguel Ferrer and a few others. Good for them getting work, but cartoon villains are starting to sound the same like they did in the 70's and 80's.

Padishah Emperor of the Known Universe Shaddam Corrino IV does voice-over work for cartoons?  :o

News to me. Great news!
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: Scockery on October 19, 2011, 11:35 AM
I'm tired of Sam Witwer. Also, Clancy Brown, Miguel Ferrer and a few others. Good for them getting work, but cartoon villains are starting to sound the same like they did in the 70's and 80's.

Padishah Emperor of the Known Universe Shaddam Corrino IV does voice-over work for cartoons?  :o

News to me. Great news!


You are thinking of the late Jose Ferrer, Miguel's father.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miguel_Ferrer (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miguel_Ferrer)

Miguel Ferrer was in The Stand, Robo-Cop and played the Weather Wizard in the unaired live action Justice League pilot (you can see it on youtube, it's painfully bad)
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: Nicklab on October 22, 2011, 11:13 AM
...And we're on hiatus from new episodes already?
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: Scott on October 22, 2011, 01:54 PM
I thought I saw they were only off this week and back next
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: TheSon on October 23, 2011, 08:39 AM
That is correct. I believe we have a four parter starting this week.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: Jesse James on October 25, 2011, 04:31 PM
The new video for the next episode looks promising, if you're into the series actually living up to being about Clones, and things exploding, and people dying and stuff.

Plus, let me add that it's nice to see sentient separatist military joining the fight too, and having their planet invaded apparantly.
Title: Re: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: Greg on October 25, 2011, 04:39 PM
Plus, let me add that it's nice to see sentient separatist military joining the fight too, and having their planet invaded apparantly.

C'mon Jesse, it's only an invasion when the Seppies are taking over. When the Republic comes in, it's called "liberation".  ;)
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Post by: Jesse James on October 25, 2011, 04:50 PM
Haha...  Yeah, and that reminds me of a project I'm trying to get off the ground!   ;D
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: Scockery on October 25, 2011, 08:39 PM
Watching the preview, the first CW AT-RT drivers appear (as a sort of ARF trooper/AT-RT driver hybrid) and in 501st deco, too.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: Jesse James on October 25, 2011, 11:10 PM
The new video for the next episode looks promising, if you're into the series actually living up to being about Clones, and things exploding, and people dying and stuff.

Plus, let me add that it's nice to see sentient separatist military joining the fight too, and having their planet invaded apparantly.

OOPS.  Posted this in Season 3's thread.  ::)  What happens when you're doing too much at once.

I liked seeing those AT-RT guys too...  The armor updates are kind of fun to watch, like Wolfe's Neyo-styled helmet.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: Jayson on October 28, 2011, 08:32 PM
That was an awesome episode!  :o
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: McMetal on October 28, 2011, 09:17 PM
Hells yeah!

That was probably the best thing I've seen since the Geonosis arc. That's really the show at its absolute best, IMO.

Loved seeing the AT-RT's in action although they really should have thought about throwing a little shielding or something on there. Those things were dropping like flies. It must be sweet to be a driver though cause those guys didn't have to hike for 12 hours straight.  :D

The Umbarans were freaking cool as hell too, but why would you need a helmet to survive the atmosphere on your own planet?

Krell is gonna be one hefty mass of plastic on his inevitable card. Was not expecting him to be such a jagoff though, wow.

So much awesome toy fodder too. At least another re-deco AT-RT and driver, maybe the cool translucent flying skate thing, the sweet ass double-barreled Umbaran artillery. So many new flavor Clone Armors!

Speaking of which, Hardcase is now officially my favorite clone, dude is balls nasty! I can see why they gave him a spot in that upcoming battlepack. Hope he survives the arc.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: Nicklab on October 29, 2011, 12:53 AM
One episode of Krell and his dismissive attitude towards the Clone Troopers is pretty telling.  He seems to be a plot device whereby the Clones will grow to mistrust the Jedi.  The past 3 seasons have shown Jedi like Anakin and Obi-Wan developing good relationships with their clone troops, but this Umbara campaign looks like a turning point.  And I can only wonder if something may happen to one of the key Clone troopers we've grown attached to in the course of this story arc.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: Scockery on October 29, 2011, 10:17 AM
Krell's demeanor seems un-Jedi like. And why did Palpatine recall Anakin?

I gotta wonder if Krell won't get fragged by the 501st.

Umbarans need breathing apparatus but the clones, Anakin and Krell don't?

Kenobi's first appearance in awhile.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: EpicGon on October 29, 2011, 11:50 PM
episode 7 season 4: all watchers wanted to see more of Anakin
Krell is arrogant, he contradicts the Jedi way.
More, he is presented as a bad strategist cause led the clones to hold a difficult position in battle.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: Jabba the Slug on October 30, 2011, 04:39 AM
Krell's gonna bite it by the end of this arc. It's kinda a given.

Something tells me we'll get an episode on whatever Palpatine recalls Anakin for. 
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: Nicklab on October 30, 2011, 11:21 AM
I suspect that Anakin was recalled specifically so that Palpatine could place Krell in command of the 501st.  Give them a poor Jedi commander in order to build animosity between that Clone unit and the Jedi in general.  But have Anakin come back and save the day and the 501st.  Elevate Anakin specifically in the eyes of the troopers of the 501st, so that when Order 66 comes down they will continue to be loyal to Anakin, but prepared to take out any other Jedi.

That is after all, one of the more significant hanging plot points of ROTS.  Why would Clone Troopers eliminate every Jedi in their proximity, but not Anakin Skywalker?  How would the troops of the 501st be privy to Anakin's switch in allegiance?
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: Pete_Fett on November 1, 2011, 07:25 PM
Something tells me we'll get an episode on whatever Palpatine recalls Anakin for.

I was wondering the same thing myself.

In the movies though, they established that Palpatine was mentoring Anakin for some time, so we may never see what went on, just know that Palpatine recalling Anakin was one of those times where he wanted to mentor Anakin on a certain point/topic/principle.

Like Nick said, it's also entirely possible, that he pulled Anakin so that Krell and the 501st fail. If you are manipulating a war and you want the war to continue so that all sides are eventually weakened, you have to allow for victories on both sides, not just one.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: Jayson on November 5, 2011, 08:36 AM
Last night's episode was probably the best of the series in my opinion. The battle was so frantic at times I think I actually had goosebumps. The Umbaran technology is really cool especially those huge crawling cannons and the fighters (which look very familiar for some reason). When watching the clones fly them I was almost expecting one or both to do a death blossom type of maneuver to take out the Umbaran assault.

The tight zoom in on Krell was a great bit of foreshadowing to his possible fate. I can't wait to see how this arc pays everything off.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: Greedo The Green Menace on November 5, 2011, 01:13 PM
It was very intense, and great that they're finally doing some more eps about the actual clone wars as the series title suggests. I'm also really looking forward to see how the whole Krell thing plays out, I'd really like to know if he's a jedi twisted by the wars, or if he's always been a jerk. Very good eps though, I'd really love to see more like this. Eps like this make me want to buy more clones.  :P
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: Matt R. on November 5, 2011, 06:16 PM
I believe either Rex or Fives is going to frag Krell. 
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: Darby on November 6, 2011, 01:36 PM
I agree, this arc is as good as the show has been in a LONG time and maybe ever.  The cinematography alone is outstanding - some of these shots! - but finally, the story.  The story is great.  Now are getting into the reality of what it means to be a clone.  You are a product of a society that values only itself.  Not life.  If it did, the Republic would find the manufacture of living beings for the sole purpose of war disgusting.  The clones have never questioned this - until now.  Rex specifically represents the soldier POV, and this is his conflict.  He lives to serve.  Fives represents common sense.  He's a man.  A free one?

This arc has been laid out very carefully actually - Cut LaQuane, Kamino, and others - and I can't wait to see where it leads.  I also loved in last night's show the visual homages to ROTK as the Umbarran tanks stepped on the clones.  Some shots were echoes of the Battle of Pellanor and specifically the charge of the Mumakil.  Great stuff.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: P-Siddy on November 6, 2011, 01:53 PM
I haven't seen the episodes yet, but if the Umbarrans are fighting the Republic... you wonder if there's any mention of Sly Moore?
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: Scockery on November 6, 2011, 02:51 PM
Or Dinty Moore, since the Rex is stewing with anger.  :D

It was cool to seen some superiour tech kicking the Republic's butt. So much of the Droid army's weapons are easily taken out. The centipede machines were bit video gamey, but not too bad.

I'm surprised they have any AT-RT's left, they seem like death traps and literally walking targets.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: McMetal on November 6, 2011, 07:46 PM
Yeah, that was easily as good as the last episode if not better. Goldmine of toy fodder in these episodes, the fighters in particular look well scaled for the mid-size line.

I think, more than any others, these episodes have been successful in humanizing the clones pretty convincingly. They've definitely been building to this, but the payoff is more satisfying than expected. Credit to the writing.

Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: TheSon on November 6, 2011, 08:30 PM
I think they will kill fives by the end of the arc, which has been awesome by he way, not that they have not killed enough clones in these episodes, but I can see the emotional effect of killing of a character that has become dear to many of us will show the sacrifices that the clones are making for the republic. I find myself rooting for fives because he is the last survivor from the Rookies episode. That episode sold me on the show, this arc helps extend that. I hope Filoni is getting the feedback that fans love these episodes, and if Hasbro is smart they will be burning the lamp oil well into the night on cranking out the dozens of toys that could all be big sellers from this episode. I still can't by enough figures from Landing at Point rain. I am hoping these are made as well.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: iFett on November 7, 2011, 09:53 AM
Krell is a douche.  Hope they off him by the end of the arc.  Nice to see a return to "CLONE WARS" type episodes though.  Those walking tank things were pretty cool looking.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: P-Siddy on November 7, 2011, 11:04 AM
I would think the Council would find Krell's way of handling clones as pawns instead of living creatures as unorthodoxed. Perhaps Krell will be shunned by the Jedi? It'd be an interesting route than killing him... and hopefully he doesn't become a pawn of the Sith. Too many of them running around.

But anyways, pretty good episodes. Love the dark feel of it all, literally and figuratively. Love that Hardcase is a bit like Hudson. And I love that they are fighting the Umbarrans and not the droid armies.

I'm still perplexed that Palpatine would have a traitor as an aide, unless Ms Moore has been shunned by her own people (though that would be getting back to the political side of the Clone Wars no one cares about).

I think Rex buys it at the end of the arc, or pretty soon, since Appo is now in the group.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: Scockery on November 7, 2011, 03:24 PM
Somehow I don't think they are ready to kill Rex yet.

Not all Umbarans are seperatists. There was an Umbaran senator in season 2 or 3, IIRC, that was pro-Republic. http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Mee_Deechi (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Mee_Deechi) Maybe his murder pushed them away from the Republic?

The whole thing is messy. We had Tikkes on the Seperatist council, then in season4 here the Quarren just decide to join the Seperatists...briefly. Umm....what?
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: P-Siddy on November 7, 2011, 04:15 PM
As far as killing Rex goes, I like the guy. But I think losing his closest friend on the battlefield (besides Obi-Wan) with Anakin gone would be a shock as far as attachments go. He'll start to see the flaws in the Jedi's methods more. Plus, Anakin needs some time to build up his camaraderie with Appo so they can set the Jedi temple ablaze in Sith.

But this is a great episode because, as someone already mentioned, it's putting the pieces together as to why the clones easily turn on the Jedi and yet they'll follow Anakin.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: Nicklab on November 7, 2011, 05:41 PM
We're definitely seeing the hardening of the Clones as they were mopping up some of the Umbarans.  The way they were very cavalier about shooting the damaged caterpiller tanks, and then the wounded Umbaran absolutely illustrated that.

There was also one shot of Krell surveying the battlefield, with yellow eyes and flames reflected in them.  It made me wonder if he's somehow been turned to the Dark Side.

I also liked the slight bit of foreshadowing, as Krell was talking to "Sergeant" Appo.  And the reserve troops that were hanging back with him seemed to have unit markings that were much more like the 501st from ROTS.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: Jesse James on November 7, 2011, 07:19 PM
I managed to watch this episode over the weekend...  pretty great, and in general more about what this show should be about I think.  War is hell, and all that jazz.

I am anxious to see this arc closed and what it could ultimately throw our way.  It kind of left you feeling like Rex is as on the table for a death as any other character.  I'm curious what's going on with Kenobi and his men.  Some house-to-house seems interesting.

Also agree on the AT-RT's...  How do you not send them in with support?  Would've been more believable (and easily squeezed into the plot) to have at least a few AT-TE's or some kind of armor support.

AT-RT's are, at best, a walking machine gun...  they give you a little height advantage too, but really they're nothng more than like driving a jeep around at the front...  not always a smart idea.  The Clones needed some AT-PT's or AT-TE's these last couple episodes.  Or a walker that actually   is the predecessor of the AT-ST (like the AT-XT).  I refuse to look at the AT-RT as that since it's small, unarmored, and barely armed.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: P-Siddy on November 11, 2011, 08:14 PM
Nice nods to ANH tonight... Hanger Bay 94... What's you CT number...  ;D
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: McMetal on November 11, 2011, 08:46 PM
Dang, Hardcase...you didn't even live to see your figure hit the pegs. Then again, I may not either the way distribution is going lately.  :D

Another good episode, wish we could have seen a bit more of the missiles and what kind of damage they were inflicting though. Some cutaways to whatever's going on with Obi-Wan would be nice too.

Krell is like, the worst Jedi ever. Who the hell was his master anyway?
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: Darby on November 11, 2011, 10:39 PM
Krell is the worst Jedi - how gentle a nudge would it be for him to be a Sith? - but hands down this is the best CW we've seen.  It will go down in the Top 5 of the show all time.  If the show goes back on the kiddie or political gumminess, it will fail itself.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: TheSon on November 11, 2011, 10:45 PM
So will Rex leave the service to protect/aid fives and Jesse from being executed? This could be a great opportunity to work that in to the overall story, although it is hard to believe with all the promotional cash spent on Rex that they would write him out before the last season. Although if he became a leader of clone deserters that would be interesting. They already know a small farm that would take in a few clone brothers. I'll be shocked if Krell is not killed by next week, but who is going with him?
   Part of what makes this arc so great is we don't know the fate of most of the characters...that has been missing in star wars since rotj.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: P-Siddy on November 11, 2011, 10:58 PM
Yeah, this show does give the feeling of uncertain fates for characters, much like BSG. I'm sure the court-martial will be a part of next week's episode with Krell beign judge, jury and executioner (if he doesn't get stopped before then).
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: Matt R. on November 12, 2011, 06:22 PM
This Krell arc one of the greatest of the show.  Maybe Krell going to the dark side isn't too off.  I mean sometimes in War can change your ways, and also if the Clones of the 501st will lose their respect for the Jedi.

I wonder if this would have happen to Vadarr if he would have live and still fighting. 
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: Lestat on November 16, 2011, 03:08 PM

That is after all, one of the more significant hanging plot points of ROTS.  Why would Clone Troopers eliminate every Jedi in their proximity, but not Anakin Skywalker?  How would the troops of the 501st be privy to Anakin's switch in allegiance?

I think Anakin is going to return to Krell attacking the clones and kill Krell in anger. That would be an EPIC fight. After that the clones would follow Anakin into Hell.

With regards to Darth Maul's Return: Star Wars "continuity" is just completely out the window. There just isn't any purpose to caring about it anymore. At this point I don't care who they resurrect as long as it results in a good story. No more alice in wonderland/ wizard of oz. No more cutesy crap. No more senate hearings. No more mediocre Star Wars. However we have to get there, let's see some good stories and some a$$ kicking.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: iFett on November 16, 2011, 03:18 PM
Why was Anakin even called back to Coruscant?  Was that ever explained?  I'm not sure he would kill Krell - would be cool though.  He seemed to have a problem doing that with Dooku at first, but who knows...

How much longer does this show go on for?  Seems we're getting closer to events from ROTS.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: TheSon on November 16, 2011, 07:01 PM
Anakin was called back at Palpatines request. I can't see Anakin killing a Jedi, even so save two of his troopers. It is much more likely that the clones stand aside while seppies gun down Krell. As far as Order 66, I think it comes down to an order from Palatine (off screen) that Anakin is on the right side and is no longer a Jedi.
    I can't wait to see how this all sorts out Friday.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: EpicGon on November 16, 2011, 09:22 PM
episode 8 season4: the centipede tanks were an innovative device for the show

the landscape looks more like Felucia, but plants and trees have artificial lights?

Krell is a disgusting guy, so arrogant he can´t recognise merit in his soldiers.

For me Krell must be killed by Rex and his troops, and the council or senate must absolbe them.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: P-Siddy on November 16, 2011, 10:42 PM
I can't see Anakin or the clones taking Krell out. That would take too much from the impact of Sith when Order 66 hits. Of course, I'm not a fan of the clones having their own personality, but I understand it makes it easier to know who is who in the story and humanizes them. But Krell could have a point that they are a bad batch of clones since not one of them is 'docile' as Lama Su or Tan We pointed out to Obi-Wan in Clones.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: P-Siddy on November 18, 2011, 05:34 PM
Jay point out flames foretelling Krell's demise. You know, I could see the Umbarans attacking and Krell stuck in a ship or place and the clones just leave him instead of saving him.

Or, maybe he is a double-agent working for Dooku (another apprentice though?). It might explain why he's throwing clones into the fray without worry about the casualty rates. Of course, if that's the case, too, wouldn't old Palpy sit down with General Krell and tell him he finds his lack of strategy disturbing and that it costs the Republic lots of credits to make clones, train them, etc. that they aren't to be used as cannon fodder.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: McMetal on November 18, 2011, 08:45 PM
WAXER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  :o

Damn, war IS hell. What will Boil do now?!?!

Was kinda hoping to see Anakin ride in on his white horse and have an epic throwdown with Krell, but I guess it was all about the clones in this arc, really.

I love how like 50 clones were shooting directly at Krell from like 5 feet away and could not even graze him but in ROTS they have no problem shooting down all the Jedi with deadly accuracy using fewer guys from farther away. I guess their aim got better.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: Nicklab on November 18, 2011, 08:49 PM
At the end of the Umbara story arc I can't say that I'm surprised about Krell's turn.  Last week's shot of him with the flames reflected in his eyes was a big bit of foreshadowing.  I was a little surprised by just how much he explained in the final scene.  But that may be because of the nature of the show.  Some things need to be explained to the potential wide ranging audience.

I'll also admit that I'm surprised to see that the opportunity wasn't taken for Anakin to play the hero.  But given the way things turned out, it seems that the Clones had to handle this on their own.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: P-Siddy on November 18, 2011, 10:37 PM
I thought it was cool that he had the clones fighting each other, playing both sides. I guess I was kind of right about him working both sides, too. But my big thing is that the clones trap him in the command tower and start to move in on him. Big mistake.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: Greedo The Green Menace on November 19, 2011, 12:52 AM
This was a phenomenal series of episodes and the ending did not disappoint me. Did anyone else get goosebumps  with Krells "it's treason then" line? Nice throwback to ol Palps. I was very pleased that Krell wasn't some double agent or something, just a horribly arrogant and disillusioned jedi who wanted to change sides. I also think that Krell surviving well makes sense in the context of order 66. He saw them coming after all, he was on the defensive, while the Jedi in ROTS had no reason to suspect that the clones would start shooting them at any given time, especially in the middle of a battle. I suspect they would not have gone down so easily if they hadn't been surprised.

  Great set of eps though, I love the clones, clone centric eps rarely disappoint. They managed to take these faceless armored guys from the prequels and make each one unique in their own way, they have a lot of depth for being "identical" and it's great. It just further makes me want this show to eventually do an order 66 episode. See whats going through their minds while their blowing away their former comrades, wee them wrestle with it. My only let down was the sort of abrupt ending, it would have been nice to have the jedi discussing what the hell went wrong with this guy and how they didn't notice that this guy was such a maniac. But other than that, great. A+
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: Jabba the Slug on November 19, 2011, 11:36 AM
 This was a very A+ episode, I think it's hands-down the best episode of the series yet.

I agree with Greedo above, I was pleased he wasn't a double agent, but another Jedi who's gone wrong... usually we see the baddies as they are (Asajj, Dooku), but we don't see the point in which they go wrong.

I love the ROTS references in this episode.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: P-Siddy on November 19, 2011, 12:26 PM
Plus, Krell showed off the arrogance that Yoda refers to. He never once thought that one of the clones would execute him. And I was worried that, despite being manacled, he'd force grab the blaster from the clones and escape.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: Greedo The Green Menace on November 19, 2011, 12:43 PM
Yeah, I was actually really shocked when the shot was fired, kind of did a double take there. I didn't think they'd do it either.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: Darby on November 19, 2011, 02:13 PM
I agree, it's been the best run the show has had.  I was pleased with the direction they took with Krell also.  I'm glad he wasn't already a double agent or a lackey of Sidious as it would have stretched credibility - though one wonders how nice and easy it was that Palpatine pulled Anakin for Krell in this particular situation. 

Most interesting is the place they have put Rex in.  He seems to now be in a place where he will question the Order 66; my takeaway from last night isn't that he and the clones now have at least the concept of killing a Jedi/superior, but that Rex will not be able to when it comes down to it.  At least that's my hope.  It presents a lot of dramatic potential between him and Anakin and Ahsoka.

Let's hope Krell is one of those 19 figures next year.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: Scockery on November 19, 2011, 06:20 PM
Why the heck didn't they stun Krell immediately.  You can stun first and ask questions later! A lot of clone died taking him down.

The odd thing was the remaining Umbarrans heading to the airbase, yet, at the end...it was like they never came, so the execution seemed unneeded (but deserved).

Krell acted like he hadn't officially hooked up with the Sith, but there's that matter of him being put in command...so Sidious must've been aware of Krell's leanings.

Good arc, arguably an episode too long. Arguably. I mean, really, the Mon Cal arc seemed longer and it was 3 episodes.

One thing, they keep killing off antagonists in their debuts. In some cases that's good, in some others...untapped potential wasted.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: Matt R. on November 19, 2011, 06:34 PM
This was favorite arc of the entire CW.  Shame Waxer had to go out way he did.  I am convinced that Rex will refuse Order 66.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: P-Siddy on November 19, 2011, 06:44 PM
The odd thing was the remaining Umbarrans heading to the airbase, yet, at the end...it was like they never came, so the execution seemed unneeded (but deserved).

I think Krell was using the Umbarrans 'imminent attack with large forces' as plotting fear in the clones' minds. Trying to make the situation dire and that he'd end up being free. In some ways, it reminded me of the Jedi Mind Trick. Clones have to be weak-minded since Stormtroopers are ("these aren't the droids you're looking for.")
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: iFett on November 19, 2011, 09:02 PM
This was probably the best CW toon I've seen to date.  I could actually feel the clones going through their emotions....Even the ones with helmets on with the various ways they were nodding their heads.

Oh and Krell is Panthro on Thundercats, no?  Sure sounds like him and I really dig that show - never a fan when I was a kid though, but this is a good toon as well.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: Matt_Fury on November 20, 2011, 11:55 AM
Krell annoyed me.  At first he was very un-jedi like with his way of sacrificing the clones...but I could overlook it.

I'm still not sure how he gave orders to the 212th for his little get the clones to kill eachother..it can be explained away easy enough,but it just didn't seem right to me.

Then the whole "I want to be a sith" revelation seemed pretty weak.

I know a lot of you liked the arc, and it did have some good points, but the show is just not quite there yet IMO.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: Jesse James on November 20, 2011, 01:02 PM
Good little story arc...

It had lots of warring/death/fighting, and with Clones.  That's nice considering the friggin' series name.

It had a nice sentient Separatist military, something kind of glossed over otherwise.

It had a pretty involved storyline showing Jedi are clearly flawed, and some are turning on their order for one reason or another.

It showed Clones are flawed, from either point of view you may have, and leaves you wondering about the fate of some, possibly because they're too thoughtful or the war's long toll on them has made them at least a little too independant.  On the other hand, they prove they can all turn on their commander relatively easily if they feel threatened.

I want a Clone Mortar but don't expect we'll get it.

It proved AT-RT's are the Ugo of Star Wars.

My only gripe is we don't see anything from Obi's perspective and that would've been cool to watch too since they took the capital.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: TheSon on November 20, 2011, 05:58 PM
Since they are not following a ordered timeline in the series it is possible for them to add in an arc of obi an his clones taking the capital. I would be all in on that. Now, will Krell be a figure or not? He looks costly to manufacture, unlike Piel who was much cheeper. (both one arc and dead). I hope that's not how they decide. I would love to have that figure.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: GrandMoffNick on November 21, 2011, 11:07 AM
I liked this last story arc up until Krell let us know what he was really up to. I don't know, it felt too forced. I like that all Jedi aren't necessarily drinking the Koolaid, but I feel like it was a little much.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: EpicGon on November 23, 2011, 12:17 AM
That Ninja Turtle of Krell deserved death, cause clones proved major dignity than him.

Only some difficulty in the hunt for Krell as he fought like Grievous...the clones didn´t use grenades or concussion missils against turtle jedi. A bit naif he deflected 20 blasters at same time, while Ki Adi Mundi was eliminated fast by his troops on rots.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: Scockery on November 25, 2011, 09:52 PM
KIDNAPPED.


I liked when the battle droid rubbed his hand over his head (like stroking back hair) as he broke the bad news to the slaver guy. It was totally goofy.

Not sure why they are deploying commando droids as biker riders and tank operators, seems like a waste.

Anyone else a tad annoyed the BARC speeder sidercars were different than the toy version. I'm sure we can expect an updated version not soon... :P

Sniper droideka? Never seen those before.

Obi-Wan can force-crush droids like that...he must hold back a lot. He's been held back a lot, this is like his first major role all season.

In a galaxy of easily mass produced droids, how are slaves economical?
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: Darby on November 25, 2011, 10:00 PM
Besides all the logic questions you bring up there (and Ahsoka's last minute "These are my people" - really?  Now you're concerned?), the show was actually pretty good.  The direction and action were excellent.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: Nicklab on November 25, 2011, 10:12 PM
Interesting.  The series has finally taken on a storyline that was previously explored in Dark Horse comics.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: TheSon on November 26, 2011, 08:52 AM
Scockery,

My first thought on the commando droids was, here comes another deluxe pack with no cost to Hasbro that no one will buy. My "No Prize" answer is that production is up at the facility where they are manufactured, and after a careful cost to productivity analysis they were deemed a good choice for general battle. This could also open up the opportunity for a new droid factory assault (wherever they are being made) arc to explain why we don't see any commandos in ROTS. Palpatine would want to cripple the droid  production right at the end of the war. (also evidenced in their disappearance from episodes 4-6).

The sniper destroyers were cool, but how hard would it be to slap a shield generator on there?

I know I won't be buying any "new sidecars" but they worked well in the episode.

I think we got to see a little dark side Obi when he crushed the droids. After taking a beating from Wolverine's cousin for most of the episode, I could imagine he was ready to force choke everyone else in the tower.

The only thought I had on the slaves issue was they had little cost, capture insert hidden explosive and sell. That would keep the overall cost down and allow for a small business owner like Watto to own one or two instead of a droid.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: P-Siddy on November 26, 2011, 10:15 AM
I think the slavers and the big darker issue at hand is the 'it's not a moon. It's a space station." I wonder if we'll get to see the beginnings of the Death Star (though I believe the end of Sith was good enough to show it was being constructed).
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: EpicGon on November 27, 2011, 03:45 PM
The action was well directed on episode 11, better secuence of fighting
but Obi Wan could have delivered more strikes and not stand like a punching bag.

Dooku´s head is still extremely conic kinda Ki adi mundi´s
and Yoda´s head is very oblique, the original esb rotj puppet had a better proportion for
the traits of his face.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: Jesse James on November 28, 2011, 10:43 PM
New preview was posted... costumes are always fun.  Won't make for new figures apparantly.   :-\
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: Scockery on December 2, 2011, 09:02 PM
"Slaves of the Rebulic" sort of answered my question, the Zygerians enslave others because they have a sadistic culture and beings like the Hutts want slaves mainly for amusement/pleasure, not so much hard labor.

Spoilers ahead:

Monkey lizard knife fight.

A cameo of the monocled Hutt.

The winged monsters are too zillo-beastly for me, kind of distracting.

A suicide in a kid's show.  :o

It seems aliens are 70%  more likely to be enslaved if they have tails growing from their heads (lekku)...Kit Fisto's people better watch out!

Totally failed rescue, totally failed escape attempt...total nods to ROTJ.

Poor Rex not a catching a break. Tough year for him...which is worse, because it's like two years to him compared to normal humans.

Anakin choking a beyotch..can we say that here? I mean she was. Alluring, though, in her long-necked, big eared way. No spikes on her jaw...gender differences, I guess.

Innocent civilians casually murdered while Kenobi helplessly watches.

And stuff that'll never see toy form.  :(
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: Lestat on December 2, 2011, 10:14 PM
That episode was worth it for the ROTJ send up alone. It is kinda weird that this is the SECOND suicide that has happened on this show.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: Darby on December 3, 2011, 11:46 AM
Right, the first one (nearly identical) was in the Death Watch arc.  Loved the ROTJ nod.  There was also a skiff that floated past at one point.  Liking the arc.  Part of me wishes they'd dig even deeper into the slavery underbelly of the Republic, and why Anakin is so angry.  As a kid in TPM, it wasn't really there; is it now because Shmi died?  I do like they're getting into it though.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: McMetal on December 4, 2011, 04:43 PM
Wow, I watched Fri night's episode having no idea there was a new one last week. I can't believe I spaced that, I guess I assumed because of the holidays they would take a week off. Luckily I was able to watch both back-to-back via On-Demand in HD, so I am all caught up.

Couple of things stood out to me:

That was probably the coolest sequence ever involving a BARC Speeder in last week's ep, actually made me want Hasbro to release yet another of these, only with rotating sidecar with gun mount. That was really well choreographed.

Yeah, the ROTJ teases were pretty cool, not too over the top. Agreed that there were a lot of great toys from this arc so far we will never see. The Queen, the flying Zillo beastie, Ahsoka in Slave Garb, the Slaver ship, etc. So many missed opportunities!

More and more, I am convinced the Jedi come up with some really half-assed sloppy plans. It's typically the same thing every time, some simplistic feint that goes awry and forces them to rely on their awesome powers to cheat death and snatch victory from the jaws of defeat. (After a lot of wasted time and needless suffering by everybody)

Brilliant plotters they aren't.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: iFett on December 5, 2011, 02:34 PM
Was nice to see a Hutt again and the ROTJ nods were pretty nifty.  Obi-Wan sure gets his ass kicked alot.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: P-Siddy on December 5, 2011, 04:33 PM
Obi-Wan sure gets his ass kicked alot.

Yeah, with the ability to manipulate things via the Force, they sometimes forget to use It.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: Lestat on December 7, 2011, 10:07 PM
Obi-Wan sure gets his ass kicked alot.

I was thinking the same thing. It would be nice to see him be something other than a complete wuss.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: Scockery on December 8, 2011, 08:12 AM
It's thursday and still no preview for the next episode??

Schedule says Darkness on Umbara is airing tomorrow.

Will we have to wait 4 weeks for the conclusion of this arc?
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: Nicklab on December 9, 2011, 08:04 PM
Looks like that's the case.  CW just started here on the east coast, and it's the "Darkness on Umbara" episode again.  I think it could very well be 5 weeks before we get back to new episodes, since there were 3 Umbara episodes, followed by the 2 episode Zygerrian slaver arc.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: EpicGon on December 10, 2011, 06:33 PM
On this arc the Zygerians are a reminiscense of Hobbe´s Leviatan : Man is wolf of man
they are a bit disgusting, enough strong to harm people. Hope Obi Wan could reivindicate for
his second fight against that wolf guy.

These wolf people are predators, but not in the mean of hunters, they predate the rights of their slaves.

Togruta Jedi are witnessing the fall of their planet, so teh watchers could suppose the Republic is loosing capacity to protect other world from separatists (on these episodes the faction which support slavery).
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: McMetal on December 11, 2011, 10:29 PM
Who thought it would be a good idea to sandwich a 5 week break into the middle of this arc? That is utterly asinine. There is NO reason they could not have broadcast a new episode Friday night...weak sauce.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: Scockery on December 12, 2011, 12:54 PM
Maybe they didn't like the story and "buried" it. If they had to break up the arc, it would've made more sense to air the first part, and then take a break.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: Scott on December 12, 2011, 04:08 PM
I also wonder if they are trying to line up the Maul Returns arc with the 3D release of TPM
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: Jabba the Slug on December 29, 2011, 02:43 PM
I was under the impression that this arc would wrap up before the holidays... so when the previews began to stop showing I realized that the last episode of the arc is in January. ::) I was hoping that they'd do some big-scale kickoff, like they did when they started showing the Opress arc right after the hiatus.

I was looking through the list of planned episodes on Wookiepedia and it looks like the Maul return is the season finale... kinda disappointed that it's not sooner. :-\
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: Scockery on January 6, 2012, 08:43 PM
Finally, the last part of the Zygerian arc.

SPOILERS

The ruthlessness of the good guys in this was...awesome, though Rex's action was questionable compared what happened in the Umbarra arc.

Plo Koon seems to be the most used back-up Jedi (Yeah, I know, Filoni likes him), that's cool...but it might be nice to see someone else sometime.

Why did the Z-9(?) fighters have a hard time with the Zygerian fighters? Or was Matchstick having a bad day?

One part I didn't buy was the  queen getting some last words...your windpipe is crushed but you get to hold on for a minute for that dramatic line (Despite your windpipe being crushed!). Either Dooku force choked her to death completely or he didn't.  Maybe it was internal bleeding...heck if I know.

Anyway, solid ending to an uneven arc. The first part was mixed bag, as was the second...with our heroes seeming incompetent. They redeemed themselves in part 3...mostly. Liked it more than the Mon Calamari story, though.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: McMetal on January 6, 2012, 08:46 PM
Wow, halfway through that episode got REALLY good.

I mean, I saw at least a dozen new ships, clones, and other awesome toy fodder that will probably never get made. The slavers' starfighter, the sleek, crazy looking x-wing prototypish thing the clones with Plo were flying, and of course the always welcome solar sailer.

Good to see Warthog again. And how awesome was it to see Rex kill the slaver in the hover chair? That was rad.

I don't get why the Emperor sent Dooku to get them to execute Anakin. I mean, that's his future apprentice he has been grooming, why would he want Dooku to take him out all of a sudden? Maybe I missed something but that struck a really false note somehow.

The last 15 minutes were among the best of the season IMO. Good guys actually kicking ass.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: Darby on January 6, 2012, 08:48 PM
I agree the brutality was... brutal.  Anakin cutting down those guards, that look on Ahsoka's face, like she can barely stomach it... I loved this.  Amazing visuals again.  Frankly, the show looks better than just about anything on TV.  The writing isn't always there, and again they spend three episodes on something and never get all they can out of it, but it's Star Wars and it's better than the usual.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: Scockery on January 6, 2012, 11:40 PM

I don't get why the Emperor sent Dooku to get them to execute Anakin. I mean, that's his future apprentice he has been grooming, why would he want Dooku to take him out all of a sudden? Maybe I missed something but that struck a really false note somehow.

I guess the idea is that the strong would survive. If Anakin is worthy of the Sith, he would escape execution.  Recall in the microseries that they greenlight Ventress going after Anakin...Sidious saying it matters not if she succeeds.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: TheSon on January 7, 2012, 09:30 AM
I like the potential for the rest of the season. If this arc was the "political arc" for the season, that could lead to come cool stuff; Bane is back, Obi won gets shot, Death watch returns with Ashoka's love interest...and then of course we should get the cyborg maul and savage oppress arc to finish it off. There are some great ideas on the table...now the wait is on to see what Filoni & company can do with them.... I am optimistic.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: EpicGon on January 7, 2012, 11:06 AM
last of the zygerrians chapter, the queen died as a simplification of the plot towards endings
but indeed there were no more place for her, she needed a mate of her species, and the others were
very ugly to matche her.

The type pf the queen´s head was inspired on the mold of Satine from Mandalore

Obi Wan as negociator again, capable of many sacrifices and with strong patience
Why won´t Filoni expand his story with Satine? Many Jedis are married in sw universe
the father of Galen Malek, Anakin, etc.

Well, those are only a few thoughts, merely opinions.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: Scockery on January 8, 2012, 06:22 PM
Preview is up for A Friend in Need (Death Watch episode), but its the same clip we saw months ago.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: Jabba the Slug on January 13, 2012, 01:38 AM
Has anyone read the newly-released "Wrath of Darth Maul" biography novel? It pretty much ends where TCW is going to pick up...

Looks like Maul is going to kick some major ass this season. Aah, to be an angry, bisected, fallen Sith Lord.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: McMetal on January 13, 2012, 09:33 AM
Is tonight the one with Katee Sackhoff?

I cannot wait to see her debut...and dream about what a cool figure she would have made if Hasbro wasn't intent on driving this line into the ground.

I have no interest at all in ever seeing the Maul episodes(s)...there is suspension of disbelief and then there is just plain insulting stupidity.

Not even my six year old would buy that someone could be cut in half and dropped thousands of feet and still be alive. Try cracking open an anatomy textbook sometime, geniuses.

I love how noone ever uses this insane medical technology to actually rescue any good guys. They can stitch together Darth Maul good as new but they can't stop a woman from dying durig childbirth? Riiiight.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: McMetal on January 13, 2012, 08:45 PM
Not bad, a little underwhelming with the Bo Katan and all, but whateves. I liked the soda can droid and the proto-landspeeder. Those droids reminded me of the creepy toys next door from Toy Story.

Oh, I liked the Brainiac Ambassador dude too.

Bring on the bounty hunters!
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: Scockery on January 13, 2012, 08:48 PM
Is tonight the one with Katee Sackhoff?

I cannot wait to see her debut...and dream about what a cool figure she would have made if Hasbro wasn't intent on driving this line into the ground.


her role turned out to be minor.

Good episode....but I missed it when Dooku betrayed Death Watch or whatever...we have to fill in that blank ourselves partially.

Anyone else cry when the retail droid died?  :'(
 ;)
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: Darby on January 13, 2012, 08:50 PM
I also thought it was a little underwhelming, but I found myself very invested in the story.  Ahsoka's killstrike on the four or five Mandos - top 10 Jedi move of all time.  I liked Bo Katan, but she didn't do anything.  I liked seeing a fallen Pre Visla and a grungier Death Watch.  I hope there are figures for these - very cool.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: TheSon on January 13, 2012, 10:56 PM
Another great episode thanks to the unknown fate of all the characters, except R2. I honestly thought for a second they might off Ashoka, then she beheaded everyone. (awesome!) but now the happily ever after run away with lux ending is looking more likely for her character. I must be a little dark, but I really want to see her die at some point in the series.

I want to cry looking at all the toys they will never make from this episode.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: EpicGon on January 14, 2012, 12:21 AM
Ashoka is honning her skills, she matched pretty well Vizla and the female mandalore.
Satine wears a new dress, hope to see her again with Obi Wan in a mission.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: Scockery on January 14, 2012, 01:02 PM
The action at the camp distracts from the fact Ahsoka failed to save the village. But she did kill 6 or so Death Watchers.

In terms of loss, I wondered if was Lux worth the life of at least one Senate Guard who died fighting the commando droids?

Rewatching the episode, one of the target droids was a commando droid head on a magna guard body. B-A-D!

Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: Jayson on January 14, 2012, 03:45 PM
According to Filoni, Bo Katan was originally going to be a male, but changed close to production. He also stated (http://www.facebook.com/notes/dave-filoni/tonights-episode/10150699252197571) that the mandos will be back, with Bo Katan more in season 5.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: TheSon on January 16, 2012, 08:04 AM
How much more would you be excited about this weeks episode if it was Ashoka that was shot and not Obi won. umm..we know he does not die Filioni, people would be going crazy right now if they would have set it up the other way. Can you imagine the promo ending with Anakin swinging his light saber and yelling "this is for Ashoka!"
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: Scockery on January 16, 2012, 09:55 AM
Nope. Kenobi dies. Has a funeral and everything. See the preview at the website.

I just ruined the episode. Oh, well.  :P
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: P-Siddy on January 20, 2012, 09:10 PM
I cannot believe that Filoni missed the opportunity to use the infamous "Nooooo!" when Anakin realized Obi-Wan was dead.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: Scockery on January 20, 2012, 11:28 PM
I liked seeing Shock Troopers and the proto-Imperial Republic officers. The shock troopers got ruthless there, set to kill...or perhaps that exposition for why the officers had their guns on kill and why kenobi was reluctant to shoot that officer.

The cremation officers were bit dumb not to have weapons ready after detecting life signs in the pods, surely they knew an escape/riot was in progress.

Nice Bossk and Boba cameos. Also, that one catina alien they'll never make Solomohal or someone like him.



Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: McMetal on January 21, 2012, 09:00 AM
Yeah, the prison guards and imperial looking dudes were cool. I also loved seeing the Jedi Turbo Speeders in action again, perfect time to dust those things off.

The writing in general for that episode was incredibly weak and sloppy though.

You have an ultra secret plot to kidnap the Chancellor and in the first five minutes of meeting some new inmate you start blabbing about the whole operation to him?

And it never occurred to anyone on the Jedi Council that it MIGHT be a bad idea to pretend that the Chosen One's master was murdered and not let him in on the secret? The same guy who has all those attachment/loss issues?

I've officially come to the conclusion that I don't like anything about the Cad Bane character. They make him too infallible. He's the smartest guy on the show perpetually.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: Scockery on January 21, 2012, 12:20 PM
The "Face Off" tech raises questions. They can rearrange a persons face and insert voice modulators...so how is Anakin so messed up looking and deep voiced after ROTS?

Rewatching DECEPTION, they need to make bunny droid...if they can waste plastic on lightsaber launchers. Even if it was just a non-posebale accessory.

Next episode Cad Bane gets a new hat!  8)

Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: Jabba the Slug on January 21, 2012, 05:32 PM
And it never occurred to anyone on the Jedi Council that it MIGHT be a bad idea to pretend that the Chosen One's master was murdered and not let him in on the secret? The same guy who has all those attachment/loss issues?

I thought it was a risky, if not stupid, move to send Anakin to capture disguised Obi-Wan and put him in prison. Judging from Ep.II, Anakin would have killed the guy who "killed" Obi-Wan! And the sucky part would have been that he unintentionally killed his own master!
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: TheSon on January 21, 2012, 10:18 PM
In the new NEW blu ray version of tpm Anakin whispers," that's not you Yoda, is it?" before he beheads dooku.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: iFett on January 22, 2012, 07:21 PM
I had no clue that was boba attacking Obi in the prison until I saw Bossk coming to the rescue.  Well I guess I kinda did - goofy kid.  Is this show done once Maul comes back?
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: EpicGon on January 22, 2012, 08:06 PM
this arc will feature a  game of identities... a risky plot indeed for the guionists who must deal between the mistery of Obi-Wan new role and the obvious leit motifs, the series has established for Kenobi.

The way Obi become the hunter, a surrealist alternative to cosmetic surgery and more bizarre when he swallows the communicative device to mimec the killer´s voice.

They could have fancy this chamaleonic method to other character, is a wrong mixture of Zam Wessel skills with Kenobi capabilities. The changes of a character don´t need to be always graphic, more interesting will be a moment when he could have turned to a more aggresive manner, intead of his calm way.

To sinthetyse I don´t like the idea of a main character becoming a plasteline guy.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: Jesse James on January 23, 2012, 07:56 PM
The Hound's Tooth coming up?  :-X

(http://www.starwars.com/explore/the-clone-wars/slideshow/ep416/preview/preview05.jpg)
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: McMetal on January 23, 2012, 11:20 PM
Love it! Except they'll never make one for the animated line, so more of a cruel tease than anything.  :(
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: Jesse James on January 24, 2012, 12:52 AM
I'm ok with that...  it'd be horribly small IMO.  I've got the slickest deck-by-deck plans on a Hound's Tooth and love it.  My old ship customizing buddy darthschroeder did a SWEET scaled one too. 

Most impressive.  IIRC he had it with him on display at the FFURG booth at C3.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: Scockery on January 27, 2012, 08:49 PM
Ian Abercrombie, the voice of CW Palpatine passed away today at 75.  :(

Tonight's episode was decent but seemed like mostly filler, especially  Obi-Wan getting tortured and Bane being forced to land.

Did make we wish I gotten a Nikto guard figure...oh, well.

Obi-Wan almost got them all killed crash landing the ship. Another bit that seemed forced, what did he gain from it...time?

Sy Snootles cameo.

Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: McMetal on January 27, 2012, 10:20 PM
LOL, they finally justified that Nikto guard figure with some screen time.

I always love seeing the Jedi T-6 shuttle make an appearance because it helps keep hope alive they will one day make this. It's already logged way more appearances than that Mandalorian Assault Transport they allegedly made.

So I guess Palps wasn't in on the Jedi plan either?
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: TheSon on January 28, 2012, 11:10 AM
So there are no fuel gauges on starships these days? ...

I want to watch this episode again just to go through and wonder how many background characters I would actually buy (animated Gammy anyone?) and which I will have to live without.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: iFett on January 28, 2012, 04:07 PM
I'm liking how Obi-Wan always gets the **** beat out of him now for some reason.  The um...Sail-y-wing Barge thing was sure different
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: Nicklab on January 28, 2012, 11:32 PM
I'm liking how Obi-Wan always gets the **** beat out of him now for some reason.  The um...Sail-y-wing Barge thing was sure different

Actually, that ship is reminiscent of Lando's ship, the Lady Luck, which is from the EU.  Gotta love how they're paying homage to some of these things by way of the show.

(http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20071206004432/starwars/images/thumb/9/9e/Lady_luck-nar_shaddaa.png/567px-Lady_luck-nar_shaddaa.png)
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: EpicGon on January 29, 2012, 12:19 AM
Nice to see gamorrean guards, nal hutta and more vivid fighting choreography on this episode
Looks as the producers are trusting more on Anakin skills, he was about to defeat Bane with all his gadgets.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: Scockery on January 29, 2012, 02:38 PM
Wasn't "Rako Hardeen's" helmet based on concept art Boba Fett?
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: Matt R. on January 29, 2012, 03:09 PM
Wasn't "Rako Hardeen's" helmet based on concept art Boba Fett?
Yes, homage to McQuarrie's Concept art
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: Scockery on January 29, 2012, 04:17 PM
Preview is up for THE BOX

http://www.starwars.com/explore/the-clone-wars/ep417/#!/media/trailer (http://www.starwars.com/explore/the-clone-wars/ep417/#!/media/trailer)

11 bountry hunters and no Dengar...guess that was just a rumor after all.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: Jayson on January 29, 2012, 04:36 PM
Friday' episode was one of the best in the series. I think they've given all of the good lines to Cad Bane or at least he delivers the lines better than most characters.

I hope they (Hasbro) gets around to making Cad Bane in his new gear as well as Rako Hardeen. Can't wait til next week's episode.  8)
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: Nicklab on January 29, 2012, 04:38 PM
Yeah, we've definitely seen that before.  And in figure form!

(http://www.rebelscum.com/TAC/TAC15McFetthead2fr.jpg)

And btw, did anyone notice the gratuitous fedora easter egg as Cad Bane was looking for a new hat?
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: Scockery on January 29, 2012, 06:10 PM
Yeah, a phase 1 clone trooper helmet there, too....possibly the last time we see one on the show? Guess they wound up in surplus stores and/or were looted off battlefields.

 Other stuff at Pablo's Pawn shop:
Cato Parasitti helmet
Death Watch chest armor
Mando rocket pack
a bubble space helmet like Anakins
some helmet next to the clone helmet that I can't place
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: Jesse James on January 30, 2012, 01:08 AM
I agree with you Jayson, it was really fun I thought...  one of the better story arcs of the series so far.

And I'm loving actually seeing some EU making it into the series.  Z95's, the "Hound's Tooth" ship design as well as the Space Yacht/"Lady Luck".  Some good stuff there being snuck into the series.

Good designs exist in the EU so it's nice to see they're not being completely ignored.

Loved the Nal Hutta security fighters too.  Very cool designs I thought.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: Jesse James on January 31, 2012, 11:22 PM
So, did anyone in the preview for The Box notice the unused concept plant guy from the Cantina?  Nice.  And tingling with electricity to boot.

The only time this design EVERY showed up in something other than concept art was in West End Games' books and they made a miniature of it as well. 

It's insanely cool to see that design make the show.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: Scockery on February 1, 2012, 09:32 AM
I noticed Ithorian bounty hunter. A nod to the kids of decades ago who used Kenner's Hammerhead as a baddie because he came with a bad guy gun.  ;) Or maybe a big thumbing of the nose to the EU's pacifist take on the species.

Or probably just reusing character models.  :P
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: McMetal on February 1, 2012, 10:57 AM
Hmmm, bounty hunters assembled from around the galaxy to compete in a no-holds barred fight to the finish to determine who will get to serve Dooku?

What a great idea! I love it!

In fact, I loved it even more WHEN WE SAW THIS EIGHT YEARS AGO IN THE TARTAKOVSKY SERIES.  ::)

Meh, it'll be cool no doubt, but to quote the inimitable Claudette Wims "That's just lazy, son."

(Bonus points if they include L8-L9)
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: P-Siddy on February 1, 2012, 11:40 AM
Sounds like "Death Race" or "Gamer" or some movie like that.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: Jesse James on February 1, 2012, 11:50 AM
Actually Dooku uses it a lot.  It was also the premise of "Bounty Hunter" for the Gamecube, since Dooku was looking for the Clone template and did so by putting a bounty on some cult and having the best hunters go for it.  Whoever got it and won, won the contract.  Jango did, met Zam along the way, and killed his nemesis in the process.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: McMetal on February 2, 2012, 12:41 PM
Man, that poster jpg over at JTA is hella cool. Wish it made for a better screen saver. (too big for good res)

Ultimately though, another cruel tease because I already want ALL of those figures and at best we might get a Rako Hardeen and Cad Bane with new hat.  ::)

Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: TheSon on February 2, 2012, 10:39 PM
Bounty hunter battlepack anyone?
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: McMetal on February 3, 2012, 08:43 PM
Dang, derivative or not that was freaking sweet. Like a SW/Cube mash-up...mmm.

So for the last five we got Embo, Cad Bane, and Rako, and I think Derrown and Twazzi?

Those last three would all make kick-ass action figures.

Or better yet, a Geonosis style series of 2-packs, six total with all 12 bounty hunters. Plus maybe throw in a Morallo Eval/Dooku set and we're good to go.

FOUR STARS tonight, pretty much good from start to finish for me.  :)
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: Scockery on February 3, 2012, 08:48 PM
It was good enough, but predictable in that Obi-Wan would try to save the others and spare Eval.

Bane gets his old hat back...what a shame.

The box had a trap specifically dependant on a certain lifeform being present to deactivate? What if he had died earlier? (Eval would've used a different challenge I guess).

Likewise, what if they over dwindled the contendors to less than 5?

Since Moralo Eval is the schemer of the mission, why is Dooku so willing to treat him as disposable?

I wondered why no one took the sniper rifle and shot Eval with it.

Bane has a sense of honor...hmmm...for guy who kills someone over a hat.

Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: Brian on February 3, 2012, 08:52 PM
Although it was predictable and everything, I really enjoyed tonight's episode as well.  Just a fun watch.  And, even though Hasbro has been slower with the CW stuff lately (and this year), I really hope we see those bounty hunters soon too - pretty cool.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: McMetal on February 3, 2012, 10:06 PM
Jesse James once shot a man for snoring too loud. At least according to the Time Life books TV commercial burned into my brain from childhood. LOL.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: P-Siddy on February 3, 2012, 10:31 PM
That's our Jesse!  ;D
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: Greedo The Green Menace on February 3, 2012, 11:38 PM
That episode was fun, I was on the edge of my seat wondering who was gonna survive. Stoked that plant guy made it through as I love the design. Hopefully he gets a figure some day.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: TheSon on February 4, 2012, 03:25 PM
I feel bad for anyone who gave up on the series. This season, with the exception of the droids episode, has been very fun to watch. This episode and the death watch episode are right up there in my mind with landing at point rain and rookies. I won't comment on the figures of these bounty hunters....Hasbro knows what MUST be done.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: Matt_Fury on February 4, 2012, 08:43 PM
I liked the KOTOR nod, although I'm not a fan of the Dooku/Cad Bane bromance.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: EpicGon on February 5, 2012, 01:12 PM
CW episode 18 was a necesary stage to show Kenobi skills
Dooku is suspictious about his mercy, a sith is clarivident.
Good fight between Rako and The reptilian designer of the box.

At sometomes the ruthless of Cad Bane is exaggerated,
however he showed a "human side" by saving Rako?

Remembers epIV A New Hope, Docking bay 94
 this scene
Jabba setting 15 % charge
Han telling the Hutt: "Jabba, you´re a wonderful human being."
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: Scockery on February 10, 2012, 08:40 PM
Color me underwhelmed by the conclusion.

Yeah, more homages and teases referencing the films set after this series.  Yay. Those hoping for more originality... :-\ (The prequels themselves had that problem, too, so...)

The holo disguise matrix....hmmm...didn't the inventor of those die last episode...or did he? (looks from stills that were was a cut scene last episode with that snaggletooth guy and Bane)

Those poor Naboo workers. Was the Chancellor's life worth theirs? Huh, Obi-Wan?

I was amused by Bane posing a Nemoidian (During preproduction for episode 1, Lucas declared them the same race before someone talked him out of it.)
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: Greedo The Green Menace on February 10, 2012, 11:23 PM
Yeah, kind of ho hum ending, with so much left unsaid and unexplained, namely, what was the point of this whole thing if Palpatine is in on all of it? Or was he even? It's something I've been noticing on these long arcs, they kind of end abruptly with very little closure, the price I suppose of a 20 minute runtime. Episode arcs like this though really kind of make me wish this show would delve into the alternate universe realm, just to make it more interesting. Throw fans for a loop and kill off a major character who's supposed to survive till ROTS like Mace or something. It'd open up so many new story ideas and make the entire series more dire because all of a sudden we won't know how things are going to turn out.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: Scockery on February 10, 2012, 11:31 PM
Episode arcs like this though really kind of make me wish this show would delve into the alternate universe realm, just to make it more interesting. Throw fans for a loop and kill off a major character who's supposed to survive till ROTS like Mace or something. It'd open up so many new story ideas and make the entire series more dire because all of a sudden we won't know how things are going to turn out.

Lucas should've done that with ROTS...faked everyone out...then announced immediate plans to remake The Original Trilogy (since he was never happy with them). Think, if he had, we'd be past the ESB remake by now!
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: McMetal on February 10, 2012, 11:33 PM
Agreed, it was a big let-down after last week's episode. The whole thing was just nonsensical to the point of distraction. They hatch this elaborate scheme, about 10 different things go awry, yet it all somehow still works perfectly and they only fail because Dooku leaves them hanging? What?

I guess it would be a nice mental shortcut to simply surmise "Well, the whole thing was just an elaborate hoax staged by Palps to test drive his future apprentice against the current one" but come on. He couldn't have thought of a simpler plan?

At least we got a whole episode set on Naboo with no Jar-Jar.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: EpicGon on February 10, 2012, 11:50 PM
I agree that some info, gaps are missing in a 21 minutes episode
when this happens, abrupt ending, clichés could occur.

the blend of characters often compromise the ethos or personality of a major one,
as stated above Obi Wan couldn´t prevent the workers slaughter.

Some new characters are kinda  "Alice in Wonderland" by Lewis Carrol
for example, the fungi, medusa bounty hunter, looks like the Republic is more
animalizated each following time, they have to put a limit between alien and beast.

And the most bizarre thing, Anakin failed to slash the fungi bounty hunter and the green female alien one, however she was pushed away by the blade of his lightsaber.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: Jabba the Slug on February 11, 2012, 01:00 AM
Color me shocked when Anakin cuts Twazzi's arm off. We've never seen it rain limbs anywhere in this series (unless you count the Battle Droids), undoubtedly because it's a kid's show.

I'm getting tired of these Anakin vs. Dooku weekly duels. I'm beginning to suspect they're even getting tired of each other.

"My powers have doubled since the last time we met, Count."
"When was the last time, Geonosis, Tatooine, or Naboo?"

I will say I enjoyed this duel, though - instead of Dooku whoopin' Anakin's ass like usual, we see Anakin actually try to strangle the poor old man. With his bare hands. :o

Bring on Maul!! 4-part season finale is next.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: Jesse James on February 11, 2012, 01:19 AM
I liked the episode overall as a further set up to Anakin feeling betrayed and lied to...  They don't trust him, and Palps makes sure he has that seed of not trusting them too...  He's questioning everything, and everyone, including Obi-Wan, in his mental struggle with who he is and what's going on around him.

I like all that stuff.  I can't say I was disappointed at all, especially in a kid's show.

Then there's the whole thing with the Bounty Hunters...  I thought it was nice seeing them not just hand the Jedi their ass as usual.  They were there mostly as fluff for kids/adults to drool over.  I liked how it turned out.

Interesting to see how "Landspeeders" have ultimately become airspeeders over the course of EU as well...  Funny how back when SW was first out, Landspeeders couldn't fly but that short bit off the ground, while airspeeders were like the Snowspeeder...  Now, all that stuff can zip up high if it wants to. 

Maybe they burn more fuel at the higher altitudes and some are better at that than others?  Just something I've been thinking about lately, and since AOTC/ROTS really when their speeders seemed to "fly" a lot too, and not use the ground too much.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: McMetal on February 11, 2012, 07:57 AM
Color me shocked when Anakin cuts Twazzi's arm off. We've never seen it rain limbs anywhere in this series (unless you count the Battle Droids), undoubtedly because it's a kid's show.

Dang, I missed that...will have to go back and watch again. It's hard to follow all the action on this show when I watch the non-HD version. Good catch.

Did Derrown die? Or did he just "explode offscreen" ala Aurra Sing?
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: Jabba the Slug on February 13, 2012, 11:03 PM
Did Derrown die? Or did he just "explode offscreen" ala Aurra Sing?

His fate is left unknown - but being that he's a bounty hunter, and a cool one at that, I wouldn't be surprised if we see him in a future episode. Heck, if Darth Maul can survive getting cut in half, then I'm sure this guy can find something to hold onto instead of falling to his death.

Seems anything's completely possible in the Star Wars galaxy now.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: Jesse James on February 14, 2012, 02:53 AM
I heard Windu's coming back in the SW live action series because he was wearing a flying squirrel suit and just glided away to a lower level of Coruscant where he becomes a fallen Jedi and stuff.

At this point, yeah, it could happen unfortunately.  :-\
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: Scockery on February 14, 2012, 07:43 PM
The way Ventress saves not only herself but two nightsisters from falling, it's not impossible.

Also in AOTC, Anakin literally jumping out of a speeder how many stories up?

Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: McMetal on February 17, 2012, 09:08 AM
New episode tonight?

Haven't seen any previews around the web yet...would not mind having a week off.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: GrandMoffNick on February 17, 2012, 09:14 AM
New episode tonight?

Haven't seen any previews around the web yet...would not mind having a week off.

My cable guide shows "Generator Rex" is on in the time slot.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: iFett on February 17, 2012, 09:45 AM
I hear Generator Rex is supposed to be a fantastic episode! 
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: Scockery on February 17, 2012, 12:58 PM
We gotta wait until next week for what I think is part 1 of another 4 part saga. Making this season composed of just 8 or 9 stories when its done.  (9 if you consider the two R2-D2 & C-3PO episodes as seperate, if related, adventures)

Some behind the scene video  (http://geek-news.mtv.com/2012/02/17/star-wars-clone-wars-reveal-darth-maul) with Sam Witwer recording as Darth Maul.  WARNING: It  might spoil the episode(s) a little if you watch it though. 
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: Nicklab on February 17, 2012, 07:08 PM
We gotta wait until next week for what I think is part 1 of another 4 part saga. Making this season composed of just 8 or 9 stories when its done.  (9 if you consider the two R2-D2 & C-3PO episodes as seperate, if related, adventures)

Some behind the scene video  (http://geek-news.mtv.com/2012/02/17/star-wars-clone-wars-reveal-darth-maul) with Sam Witwer recording as Darth Maul.  WARNING: It  might spoil the episode(s) a little if you watch it though. 

Still kind of pissed that they didn't get Peter Serafinowicz to reprise the voice role as Darth Maul.  His Twitter feed alone is laugh-out-loud funny.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: Scockery on February 17, 2012, 08:52 PM
Maybe that's why he bad mouthed the movie recently.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: Jabba the Slug on February 18, 2012, 03:18 AM
Some behind the scene video  (http://geek-news.mtv.com/2012/02/17/star-wars-clone-wars-reveal-darth-maul) with Sam Witwer recording as Darth Maul.  WARNING: It  might spoil the episode(s) a little if you watch it though.

I'm actually surprised by how well Witwer's performance is, I initially rolled my eyes when I heard he was going to voice Maul. The direction they're going with for Maul's character makes sense in light of everything he's been through for the last decade or so.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: Nicklab on February 18, 2012, 12:28 PM
Witwer seemed a little crazy in that BTS video.  He seems really into just how mentally and physically broken Darth Maul seems to be.  Still, it was very cool to see him in the voice over studio working with Clancy Brown.  And the incorporation of the Sith Code?  That's some serious EU canon to throw into the mix.

Seeing that video though, I don't know if Serafinowicz would have taken it as seriously.  He's an incredibly funny guy, and his voiceover work for TPM was great.  But he wound up delivering all of what, 3 lines of dialogue in Episode I.  It didn't seem like as much of an acting job as much as it was a few punches of ADR.  I think he wound up having more dialogue in one of the Episode I trailers than he had in the entire film.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: McMetal on February 18, 2012, 06:09 PM
I had to do a Google search to figure out who you guys were talking about...I always assumed Ray Parks did his own voicework.

Turns out it's the dude who was the roommate in Shaun of the Dead. He has one of my favorite lines from the whole movie "Sort your life out, mate!"

Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: Scockery on February 18, 2012, 07:49 PM
Preview for MASSACRE is up at the official site (http://www.starwars.com/explore/the-clone-wars/ep419/).


Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: Nicklab on February 18, 2012, 08:58 PM
I had to do a Google search to figure out who you guys were talking about...I always assumed Ray Parks did his own voicework.

Turns out it's the dude who was the roommate in Shaun of the Dead. He has one of my favorite lines from the whole movie "Sort your life out, mate!"



He also played "Sctanley", spelled with a C in Couples Retreat and Darth Chef on South Park.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: TheSon on February 20, 2012, 01:23 PM
The preview did not give us much for this week, but how dark would it be if Dooku wipes out the entire witch clan? It will be interesting to see how they bring this together, it needs to blow my mind because I think Greedo shooting first is less of a bother to me than bringing Maul back from the dead.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: Nicklab on February 22, 2012, 05:21 PM
Darth Maul's return in Clone Wars is going to be a significant storyline, no doubt.  Some of the art that's been going around has prominently featured Anakin dueling with Savage Opress.  This has left me wondering if there's going to be a rematch between Maul and Obi-Wan.  Especially considering some of the dialogue from the bts video.  But a duel between Maul and Anakin would have some really interesting implications, too.  Hmmm....
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: Scott on February 23, 2012, 03:57 PM
Darth Maul Footage (http://www.usatoday.com/life/comics/story/2012-02-23/Darth-Maul-debuts-in-Star-Wars-Clone-Wars/53221760/1)

This new stuff has me a little more positive on this arc and what it brings.  I really don't care for Assaj and thought the whole Savage arc last year was way overblown.  That said, this looks a lot better than either that or the Tarkin or Chewbacca arcs from last year.

Who are they bringing back for Season 5?  Han Solo and Baby Boba Fett?  Yoda's parents?  Dengar, Zuckuss and 4-LOM?  99?
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Post by: Master_Phruby on February 23, 2012, 04:02 PM
Does that mean Hasbro re-releases the visionaries version of Darth Maul on regular card?

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Post by: Rune Haako on February 23, 2012, 05:53 PM
Are those Jawas Savage is fighting? :o
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Post by: Nicklab on February 23, 2012, 06:07 PM
This seems like some kind of Dark Side battle royal:  Dooku VS the Night Sisters VS Maul & Savage....

And throw in Darth Maul seeking revenge against Obi-Wan Kenobi.  Hmmm.
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Post by: Brian on February 24, 2012, 10:11 AM
I thought the preview looked pretty cool, and I'm looking forward to it.  I think this season has been pretty good overall - maybe nothing amazing, but a big improvement on last year I thought.
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Post by: Rune Haako on February 24, 2012, 05:31 PM
Episode 20 : Bounty Preview

BEWARE OF SPOILERS!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ZqR8GuYuII&feature=youtu.be

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Post by: P-Siddy on February 24, 2012, 07:14 PM
That looks like it'll be cool just with who's in it.
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Post by: Darby on February 24, 2012, 08:46 PM
Wow. 

That was by far the best episode of the season.  Maybe top 10 all time.  Hasbro can make 20 figures a year, I don't care, so long as some of them are Mother Talzin, a Night Sister, a zombie Night Sister, and Night Sister Asajj.  So lots of Night Sisters.
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Post by: McMetal on February 24, 2012, 08:49 PM
Just...HOLY ****!

I think that my have been my all-time favorite episode. Seriously.

 No Anakin, no Obi-Wan, no Ahsoka, no Padme, no Clones, Senators, no need. Just pure freaking awesomeness from start to finish. I swear to God, that was better than like 95% of the entire PT stuff.

It just worked on so many levels, to actually be able to produce such a compelling, emotionally intense experience through an animated medium is simply awesome. I mean, for the first time ever, I actually felt a real sense of dread and danger from a droid assault. 99% of the time those guys just come off like such clowns it's hard to really imagine them as a credible enemy. But the whole element of overwhelming force and technology and sheer brute force was really on display, which I guess is their real strength.

They actually got you to feel something for a previously loathsome character like Ventress, they've really added depth to her in a way I never could have predicted.

The whole atmosphere was just great, I love the Dathomiri landscape, the undead army was freaking cool as hell, even if a little Return of the Kingy, Asajj whooping Greivous' ass, Dooku getting worked over like a rented mule...everything just seemed more intense in this episode.

Five stars, baby. Can't wait for the last three episodes.

And I officially will never be completely happy again until we have Nightsisters in animated figure form.  :)
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Post by: Greg on February 24, 2012, 08:52 PM
It was great to see Grievous and the battle droids as lethal bad asses in this episode... unfortunately it makes their cowardice and ineptitude in the past 3.5 seasons more painful to watch.
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Post by: Scockery on February 24, 2012, 09:00 PM
The zombies threw me for a loop. Was not expecting that. Oh, so the dark side can make undead? Those witches are making Palpatine seem like padawan.

I like how the moment he starts to lose, Grievous cheats. So true to character, he's such  a chicken *censored*.

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Post by: Jabba the Slug on February 25, 2012, 01:02 AM
Holy. Freakin'. Damn.

I've always hated the theory of zombies running around in other sci-fi/fantasy stories, but boy, is it appropriate here, on Dathomir. Star Wars rocks zombies, big time.

I've always loved the character of Asajj Ventress and I really haven't liked how this series has portrayed her, but damn, you just feel for here. She's been betrayed by Dooku. Her life is ruined, so she goes home to live with her "family" - and even that is ruined for her when Talzin abandons her. I especially loved that last scene, where Asajj tries reaching for Talzin, who just disappears. And you feel for her because the Dathomir landscape is just so hopeless, there's nothing out there for her.
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Post by: TheSon on February 25, 2012, 09:09 AM
I loved that they brought back the Defoliator. If they can keep up this pace for three more episodes, consider season 4 by far the best.
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Post by: Scockery on February 25, 2012, 01:57 PM
Was Talzin dead/dying or did she turn to gas and survive completely. I wasn't sure.

Next week, back to bounty hunters and boy, does the Republic have a revolving door prison system.
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Post by: Jesse James on February 25, 2012, 08:52 PM
I thought the episode was dismal...  I found the zombies to be a cheap way to explain how the seemingly limited # of nightsisters could fight an entire army.  I thought the end was insanely anti-climactic, and I thought the concept of super enemies challenging the Sith was kind of lame unto itself.  And where are all the Zabrak guys they use?  Why weren't they there helping in that fight?

And why not just continually use the defoliators till you just wipe out everything?

I see I'm in the minority here but this was one of my least liked episodes this season, short of politically focused ones anyway.
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Post by: Jabba the Slug on February 26, 2012, 04:39 AM
Was Talzin dead/dying or did she turn to gas and survive completely. I wasn't sure.

Next week, back to bounty hunters and boy, does the Republic have a revolving door prison system.

Nope, she survived.

I agree with you on the second part. It's starting to get old, seeing all these key bounty hunters escape all the time.
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Post by: Scockery on February 26, 2012, 07:38 PM
I might be wrong...the next episode could take place before the Rako Hardeen 4-parter. But I was under the impression it's been straight continuity since the middle of season 3.
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Post by: TheSon on February 26, 2012, 08:43 PM
I need to watch the teaser again, because the only bounty hunter I saw from previous episodes was Bossk. One character kind of looked like Hardeen, but I thought the color was different. It looked like a ton of new characters that will wallow in my wish list for years.
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Post by: P-Siddy on February 27, 2012, 07:34 AM
Embo's there at the beginning.
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Post by: Jeff on February 29, 2012, 01:23 PM
Who are they bringing back for Season 5?  Han Solo and Baby Boba Fett?  Yoda's parents?  Dengar, Zuckuss and 4-LOM?  99?

Looks like a couple of those guys you listed don't have to wait for Season 5 (http://insidetv.ew.com/2012/02/29/star-wars-clone-wars-simon-pegg-dengar/).  :P
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Post by: Jesse James on February 29, 2012, 01:47 PM
I like how 20 years later, Dengar hasn't really seemed to age despite some scarring.  He's like the old guy that still goes to nightclubs.
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Post by: McMetal on March 2, 2012, 09:01 AM
Simon Pegg as Dengar? Nerdgasm!

There was a time when you could bet your bottom dollar this would be a sure fire action figure choice for the line.

Now, I honestly doubt we'll ever see this. By the time they find an open slot for another figure this season will be over a year old.
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Post by: Nicklab on March 2, 2012, 01:16 PM
This Asajj storyline really does seem to fly in the face of what had been established in the Dark Horse comics REPUBLIC title.  But I guess the CW animated series will serve as the new canon for Asajj.
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Post by: Scockery on March 2, 2012, 11:32 PM
We see Boba get his butt humiliated at a young age. Him and those pale skinned bald women....(Yes, Aurra isn't entirely bald).

Bossk threatening to turn Ventress over to the authorities...like she couldn't gut him and the chick hunter within 2 seconds.

Strange aliens who contracted the hunters, a bit trite, really...seemingly chosen for their repulsiveness compared to the more human looking ninja folks.

It was an okay episode. For some reason I expected these past two episodes to tie into the Maul ones.
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Post by: McMetal on March 2, 2012, 11:39 PM
So I think they've found their winning formula: no Jedi + no Clones = awesomeness  :D

Seriously, where was this kind of quality last year? This season has been really strong, all the more frustrating given the state of the toy line. Tonight was no exception, great story, great characters, and a goldmine of potential toy fodder. (Cantina aliens? bounty hunters? Asajj and Boba in new outfits? Duh!)

I loved the robot and the crazy alien chick. How cool would that grappling feature be in an action figure? Dengar was good as expected. The marauders were all pretty awesome too, like Star Wars ninjas. Just all around good stuff.

Was that Asajj riding off into the sunset at the end there? Have we seen the last of her? After the past few episodes I hope not.
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Post by: Nicklab on March 3, 2012, 12:27 PM
The marauders definitely had a ninja thing going on.  And when the helmets came off the lead marauder reminded me of a character from Hellboy - The Golden Army, and interestingly enough those characters were also subterranean.

I think the Cantina scene was cool but not overdone.  But just how many things of note have gone down at Chalmuns over the years?  Didn't we see something there with Baron Papanoida in there from last season?

The character examination of Asajj was subtle but worthwhile.  It showed some depth to her and her motivations.  Now she seems prepared to move on.  That seemed to be how things wound up in the REPUBLIC comic series, but via different means.
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Post by: Darby on March 3, 2012, 02:05 PM
Really like this and I agree, any time we focus on Assajj or anyone really besides the main characters, it wins.  The Assaj story throughout has been very good.  Look forward to her coming back to the light side.
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Post by: Greedo The Green Menace on March 3, 2012, 03:56 PM
I agree that these episodes that stay away from the Jedi and Clones are quite stellar. The best thing about an episode like this is the shades of grey, neither side is particularly good. I think they have a winning formula here though, episodes involving characters whose fates are unknown are largely more interesting than ones involving Mr I end up a Sith Lord. It was fun seeing the bounty hunters together working as a team, and I dig the new designs. Hasbro should lay off the Jedi and Clones and droids for a while and do up more bounty hunters. Animated, realistic, I don't care, just get some of these guys out there in some form or another.
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Post by: Pete_Fett on March 7, 2012, 03:34 PM
That seemed to be how things wound up in the REPUBLIC comic series, but via different means.

Well - unfortunately, the REPUBLIC comic books at this point are completely out the window. I think we're supposed to even forget that Durge even existed at this point - and his story was integral to the storying you're referring to that also gave Asajj a "off into the sunset" type exit...

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Post by: Scockery on March 9, 2012, 08:37 PM
Wow. They totally ripped-off the movie Soldier.

Sucked to be the freighter guy. His ship seemed a bit more ALIEN universe like than Star Wars.

Planet was a hellacious place complete with dragons and a serpent.

Maul was Gollum and Shelob rolled into one. Dooku's something "sinister is rising" reminded me of Saruman's "a new power is arising" from The Two Towers.

Lots of good and bad players appeared, so I wonder what role they'll play, if any, in part 2.
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Post by: TheSon on March 9, 2012, 08:51 PM
I wonder how much Toys R Us is going to charge for the inevitable Darth Maul Exclusive w/ Spider-legs and pet snake Deluxe set? Oh wait, they are too bust making battle packs of figures we have 5 times over. Never mind.  :P
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Post by: Darby on March 9, 2012, 08:52 PM
Spider Maul is an instant deluxe figure, I would think.  I loved the LOTR overtones, as well as Maul so far.  I like that they are taking such an extreme angle with him.
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Post by: Scockery on March 9, 2012, 09:00 PM
The return of 50's style diner over the almost obligatory cantina. No quaint Irish pubs in this galaxy!
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Post by: McMetal on March 9, 2012, 09:06 PM
Kinda huh? Not what I was expecting I guess.

I'm already on record that the whole premise is just silly, but if they're going to go there I guess I am in.

I liked the opening logo in red...good touch.

I can never read the credits when the show airs live, but I would bet anything the voice of the weird snake thing was James Hong, the very esteemed David Lopan from Big Trouble in Little China and also of Blade Runner fame. He is AWESOME, great choice.

It felt weird to see Anakin and Ahsoka again. Naturally they happen to stop in for a bite to eat at the exact same restaurant in the galaxy that their Sith adversary just left. Hell, everybody loves that diner - best waffles in the outer rim, right?  ::)

I like the opening too where Savage is just randomly strangling some chick for apparently no reason. Did she spill coffee on him or something? And yet he runs away like a little girl from those scary police robots?

Kind of odd cameos for Mother Talzin and Asajj too. So I guess Moms is alive someplace after all. Good, more appearances = higher probability for eventual action figure. And I like that Asajj is taking the time to explore her new alternative lifestyle with the freaky purple chick. They make a cute couple.  :D

The junkyard planet was cool, their backgrounds always are on this show, but I agree it was straight out of Soldier. I guess they could rip off worse movies though. As for Maul? I kind of liked the weird spider legs, but the crazy act seemed a little over the top. I'm sure Sam was into it and all, but all the crying and giggling doesn't really befit a Sith apprentice. Kinda wish he had toned it down a bit more, like with the "revenge" line, that was well done.

But seriously, HOW THE HELL would Yoda and Obi-Wan know Darth Maul by name?!?!
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Post by: Darby on March 9, 2012, 09:17 PM
I don't know, it makes sense Maul would descend into madness.  He got cut in half, after all.  For all we know the dark side kept him alive - any other explanation would be as silly as this whole idea, really - and the cost of that was his sanity.  It gives him some dimension, but hopefully the fog lifts a little as we go forward. 
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Post by: Darby on March 9, 2012, 09:25 PM
Oh, and the junkers were cool as well.
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Post by: McMetal on March 9, 2012, 10:49 PM
I think Lucas needs to go back and ret-con that scene with Yoda from APM.

"Two there are always, well, not always...usually, but it's actually more like FIVE there are. The Master and his apprentice. And then his other apprentice. And that guy's apprentice. And then her apprentice."

So yeah, there really is no rule of Two and Sith never die they just multiply.  ::)

Someone needs to do an EU story that consists of Darth Vader hunting down all these other Sith wanna-be's and brutally murdering them to restore order to the Sith again. That would be some cool stuff.
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Post by: Darby on March 9, 2012, 10:54 PM
Good point.  I agree the rule of two thing seems to be more of a suggestion.  Good thing too, as the arc of Assaj over this entire series has turned out to be the most interesting aspect probably of the prequels.  She's sort of the inverse Anakin, tracking towards the light.
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Post by: Jesse James on March 9, 2012, 11:15 PM
On the rule of two thing, I've always felt like Assajj, Oppress, Grievous, (and other EU guys) aren't truly Sith...  they're maybe led to believe they are, or will be, but they're just pawns Dooku and Sidious are using since they need commanders and "heroes" to battle the Jedi rather than relying on doing it themselves, or tryign to just overwhelm them with numbers.

I think characters like Ventress are ultimately no more Sithy than Durge or Cad Bane are...  They just like to think they are.  Tartakovsky had a far greater handle on Ventress' character.
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Post by: Greedo The Green Menace on March 10, 2012, 12:04 AM
Interesting so far, but is there only one more episode after this? Seems like an awful lot of ground to cover if so. I don't really find the premise that far fetched really. The force can do some pretty crazy things and we don't really know anything about Zabrak physiology. Maybe surviving bisection is a common thing, all thier vital organs might be up in the top half. In any case, it doesn't bother me. I really can't imagine they're gonna kill him off right away though, I'm guessing Maul and Savage must survive to fight another season. Why go through all the trouble of reviving this dead guy and hyping him up only to kill him off an episode later right?

Actually it's kind of funny, but Maul is a threat to pretty much everyone. Particularly if he regains his sanity, imagine if his ambitions start to go beyond just revenge and he decides he wants to be king sith? He knows Palpatines true identity, he could easily rat him out and screw him over big time. Shame that we already know that won't happen.
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Post by: Jabba the Slug on March 10, 2012, 01:48 AM
I was getting extremely impatient with the episode - it wasn't until the last 10 minutes that we actually saw Maul. I wish they took Anakin and Ahsoka out of the episode - it was irritating to see them appear with no actual relevance to the episode other than for Anakin to have a "Yoda" moment and say "sinister" for what I'm sure was the second time in the episode. I thought it was overplayed when Dooku said that in the beginning.

Also kinda irked that here we have Savage, this giant fearsome-looking dude, and he acts like a tall, awkward dude that no one can take seriously. The cargo pilot and the annoying snake dude both seemed not to be able to take him seriously... and I'm still trying to figure out why the TCW crew would be unoriginal enough than to put a talking snake in Star Wars.

Witwer's take as Darth Maul, though, was amazing. The whole mentally insane was very suiting and it really makes you feel pity for the guy - he was this badass Sith Lord in EpI, and now he's living in his own scum and only half the person he was. ;)

I love how he's ranting, half-crying and giggling in insanity and Savage asks him who cut him in half - for a second Maul stops the whining and looks right at him and says "REVENGE"... a total "oh, sh**'s going down" moment.   
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: Scott on March 10, 2012, 09:30 AM
I think Lucas needs to go back and ret-con that scene with Yoda from APM.

"Two there are always, well, not always...usually, but it's actually more like FIVE there are. The Master and his apprentice. And then his other apprentice. And that guy's apprentice. And then her apprentice."

So yeah, there really is no rule of Two and Sith never die they just multiply.  ::)

This is actually talked about in the Plageuis book...which is pretty good so far I have to say (and I usually hate most EU)
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Post by: Nicklab on March 10, 2012, 11:54 AM
Witwer's take as Darth Maul, though, was amazing. The whole mentally insane was very suiting and it really makes you feel pity for the guy - he was this badass Sith Lord in EpI, and now he's living in his own scum and only half the person he was. ;)

I love how he's ranting, half-crying and giggling in insanity and Savage asks him who cut him in half - for a second Maul stops the whining and looks right at him and says "REVENGE"... a total "oh, sh**'s going down" moment.   

When I first saw the behind the scenes video with Sam Witwer, I thought "OMG, he is totally over-acting, and he's gonna blow this".  But in the context of the animation and Maul's manic behavior it works.  And the "Revenge" moment at the end of the episode was a great way to wrap things up.

The serpent came across as something out of Paradise Lost to me.  And I also see the echoes of LOTR, too.

As for Obi-Wan and Yoda knowing Darth Maul's name?  I would suspect that the Jedi learned Maul's name following the Naboo crisis depicted in TPM.  Sidious told the Neimoidians that he was sending Darth Maul to them, so they knew him by name.  Nute Gunray and Rune Haako may not have given up Sidious in interrogations following the invasion of Naboo, but they may have given up Darth Maul's name.

One thing that momentarily took me out of the episode though?  The cargo ship's walker landing gear.  It just seemed like too much of a stretch considering that this starship was just some bulk freighter.
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Post by: Brian on March 11, 2012, 01:13 PM
I thought this week's episode was pretty good, and I'm definitely anticipating the finale.  I haven't seen it mentioned elsewhere, but our DVR guide has a description for the episode and mentions Obi-Wan teaming up with Asaaj to fight the "brothers", which could be cool if that's true.  I think this season has been pretty good overall, a huge step up from a fairly lackluster Season 3.  The second half in particular has been lots of fun I thought, although not many Jedi to be seen.
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Post by: Scockery on March 11, 2012, 05:23 PM
I like the opening too where Savage is just randomly strangling some chick for apparently no reason. Did she spill coffee on him or something? And yet he runs away like a little girl from those scary police robots?

From the slideshow on the official Clone Wars site:

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"The diner scene originally began with the waitress droid -- Marwigo -- not having much luck getting Opress's order, and passing off the customer to her human colleague, Sassi. When Sassi reaches toward Opress's amulet, he reacts violently."

Also of note:
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In the script, the cook Loubo is holding a blaster to which the spaceport police droid says, "Lou! Are you crazy, pointing that thing at a Jedi?" Changing the prop into a frying pan turned this moment into a joke.


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I can never read the credits when the show airs live, but I would bet anything the voice of the weird snake thing was James Hong, the very esteemed David Lopan from Big Trouble in Little China and also of Blade Runner fame. He is AWESOME, great choice.


You'd lose that bet. Ben Diskin did the voice of Morley the snake.
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Post by: Scockery on March 16, 2012, 08:44 PM
Anti-climatic.

SPOILERS ahead:

 But "sane" Maul is back.

What's Talzin's stake in this? That Maul will eventually go after Dooku?  Her magic has an engineering degree...nice use of scrapped droids. She might wanna repair some droid for herself, you know, bury all her dead sisters (or cocoon them for zombie hijinks later).

Obi-Wan for his flippancy in the face of evil didn't ask Maul who his master was? Nor did dumb Savage, who's the type to ask straight forward question.

We are still left wondering how bisected Maul became spider-maul.

If they'd sent a task force, they could've blown them up in space. Whatever...the will of the force...my butt. They ran away.
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Post by: Darby on March 16, 2012, 08:48 PM
Hell.  Yeah.
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Post by: Jabba the Slug on March 16, 2012, 11:49 PM
I was sort of underwhelmed. It was too much to cover in only 22 minutes, and everything felt rushed. They should have introduced Maul two episodes ago instead, and made this episode longer and split it in half (aah, the Maul-bisection jokes are endless. It seems Ventress agreed in this episode, too).

(Spoilers...)

As much as I love the character of Asajj Ventress, I don't think she should have survived her encounter against Maul. If Qui-Gon couldn't, then why did Asajj survive? I think it was very degrading to Maul's character to put up with Asajj dissing him. Considering he's a former Sith Lord, he should have totally whupped her ass.

I liked the ROTS nod with Maul igniting his lightsaber, ready to wipe out the kiddies. It was very sinister and very true to his character. 

Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: P-Siddy on March 17, 2012, 09:20 AM
If Qui-Gon couldn't, then why did Asajj survive?

I think one point in the TPM novel was that QGJ was old and therefore tired out easily and that's how Maul defeated him. Once Obi-Wan was separated from Maul and Qui-Gon, it was too much for the 'old man' to take the aggressive nature of Maul (the Jedi hadn't faced the Sith (a worthy adversary) in a long time.
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Post by: Scockery on March 17, 2012, 01:27 PM
So did anyone on that planet survive besides the astro droid?

I'd think Maul would kill them all anyway. I would've sent a fleet...maybe 15 minutes behind Kenobi, so he didn't know.

Dangling plot threads to the show, and this season mostly avoided pursuing them. We had two 4-part episodes that were stand alone. Another Zygerian arc that ate up 3 episodes. 3 more with Mon calamari. The mostly disposable R2 3PO adventures. In the broader storylines, that left us with the season end arc and the one-off Death Watch episode. The only significant deaths of previously seen characters were Tarpals and that 212th clone (Waxer?). Secondary Jedi seemed underused (Krell aside, whom we'd never seen before). Dooku appeared more than ever it felt like.

It wasn't a bad season, though. It's just that some parts of it felt short (Maul's story) and others too long (the underwater war, and arguably the Umbara arc). Plus the odd break up of the Zygerian 3 parter...waiting a month for its resolution.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: McMetal on March 17, 2012, 11:30 PM
I thought the finale was a disappointing let-down. The whole thing seemed contrived and ultimately a time-wasting boondoggle as nothing really happened.

Why was there suddenly a million credit bounty on Opress? For roughing up that chick in the diner? Wouldn't someone have tried to claim that before now if it was for his previous misadventures?

Obi-Wan can whoop ass on Maul when he's 100% tip-top shape with full organic agility, but he's suddenly completely overmatched by the emaciated, completely unaccustomed to walking on cyborg legs, half-crazy Maul? Shouldn't Obi-Wan's skills have grown since the last time they met? He went down far too easily, IMO.

And Maul was completely overwhelmed by Asajj and Dooku before, but now he's a complete unstoppable badass?

Where is Sidious in all this? Shouldn't he be aware Maul is back too?

Agreed the whole thing felt rushed, and slapdash at best; apparently none of their writers could figure out how to explain how Maul's upper torso managed to escape Naboo and fly away to the garbage planet.

They've got too many freaking villains on this show now, they really need to start cutting back next season. Are they not allowed to kill the bigger bad guys for some reason?

Anyway, this was a good rebound season, all the more ironic considering they've abandoned the toy line and we got so many great new figure options on the show this year. You could make 2-3 waves of outstanding figures from The Box alone. sigh.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: TheSon on March 18, 2012, 12:03 PM
You could make 2-3 waves of outstanding figures from The Box alone. sigh.

I keep hoping that after the minimal returns on the 3D investment that we might see a rebound for Clone Wars in future releases. It seems like season 4 featured several obvious character outfit changes that would do well on the pegs, How many outfits did Ventress wear this season?

I still love the show, and hope next year is not the final season. Looking back at season 1 the visuals are much better, and the ability to blend in background characters and multiple environments is vastly superior.

I think they took some risks this year and gave the fans more of what they were asking for...action. Now if we could just get some action figures...
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: Matt_Fury on March 18, 2012, 11:47 PM
If they stopped this show right now....I wouldn't care in the least.

This has got to be the most poorly written show, and the Maul episodes take the cake.  It's starting to remind me of the South Park episode where the Family Guy writers are a bunch of manatees moving balls with words on them to a certain tank.  It's almost like no one even gives a crap about writing on this show and we'll just throw some crap in there, slap a Star Wars label on it and people will watch it, but the DVD set, then the Blu Ray set and they laugh all the way to the bank.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: Jesse James on March 19, 2012, 02:37 AM
I kind of agree with everyone's sentiments...  Maul was really force-fed into this, and the story's been very disappointing and anti-climactic at this point.

To me, this show's title doesn't really reflect what it's about...

The movie had a far greater grasp of what I feel this toon should be, week in and week out.  Wars in the stars, and Clones warring.  Landing At Point Rain is still, to me, the best this show has ever accomplished and they're showing absolutely no sign of ever even coming close to that again, and that blows.  There's an intergalactic war going on, and they just rarely show them. 

They've shown the ability to go where they need to with it I think, but they focus too much on the character-of-the-week type people, and establishing them heavily.  Oppress, Maul now, Boba Fett, Death Watch (not a character, but kind of similar to the point I'm making).

But seriously, get back to the war...  Get back to large scale engagements.  Let's see some big space battles.  Let's see some big engagements on planets.  Let's see some heavy body counts of Clones and Droids.  Tartakovsky's series had a much better handle on this aspect of the greater conflict, and I'd like to see the writers of this get the series back to what it's actually about.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: Qui-Gon Jim on March 19, 2012, 11:03 AM
Anti-climatic.

SPOILERS ahead:


If they'd sent a task force, they could've blown them up in space. Whatever...the will of the force...my butt. They ran away.

This is exactly what I was thinking.  Why wouldn't the Republic have a cruiser just outside of detection range supporting Kenobi?    The entire council should have been there to back up Obi-Wan.  Catching Maul would be the key to unlocking the entire mystery of the Sith.  While I think there has been a lot of good stuff on this show, I feel completely 'meh' at this whole storyline.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: Nicklab on March 19, 2012, 02:46 PM
Anti-climatic.

SPOILERS ahead:


If they'd sent a task force, they could've blown them up in space. Whatever...the will of the force...my butt. They ran away.

This is exactly what I was thinking.  Why wouldn't the Republic have a cruiser just outside of detection range supporting Kenobi?    The entire council should have been there to back up Obi-Wan.  Catching Maul would be the key to unlocking the entire mystery of the Sith.  While I think there has been a lot of good stuff on this show, I feel completely 'meh' at this whole storyline.

I think they wanted Obi-Wan to go alone for the very reason you're getting at:  Maul could eventually lead the Jedi Council to Darth Sidious.  Sending one Jedi alone would be far more likely to go unnoticed by anyone outside of the Jedi Council.  Send the fleet and that could draw the attention of the Sith.

Certainly, there was the history between Obi-Wan and Darth Maul.  Maul has his desire for vengeance, and that's probably not limited to Kenobi alone, but for Darth Sidious as well.  You have to remember that Maul had the presence of mind to talk about how he had once been in league with "one of the most powerful beings in the galaxy", and the next target of his vengeance may be Sidious.

It seems likely that somehow the Maul storyline is going to get wrapped up in some way, shape or form.  His disappearance (or that of Savage Oppress) may eventually be linked to the re-emergence of the Sith in the EU realm of the NJO or beyond.  And then for next season it seems that there may be a running plotline of the Jedi searching for Darth Sidious.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: Jabba the Slug on March 20, 2012, 01:58 AM
And then for next season it seems that there may be a running plotline of the Jedi searching for Darth Sidious.

I agree with this 100%... this is where I think the series could potentially end; the last part of the Clone Wars was the Jedis' effort to find out who Sidious was. Yeah, the battles kept going on, but that was the primary motivation for the last few months of the war/Outer Rim Sieges... maybe write a story about Maul leading the Jedi on a wild goose chase through the Outer Rim, on the hunt for Sidious, and have the Season 5/series finale be Anakin and Ahsoka vs. Maul; Maul kill Ahsoka and Anakin kill Maul, and BOOM, you have ROTS right up.

Hoping though that we see Dooku vs. Maul vs. Sidious. Fat chance, though.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: CloneF13Y35 on March 20, 2012, 10:02 AM
They've done a 'great job' of hyping up character appearances then the actual story underwhelms. I remember this time last year I was so disappointed in "Sahvage" Oppress that I didn't care about him one way or the other. He was billed as this 'monster creation of the Dathomir Nightsisters' and ended up being all Emo and a poor excuse for Maul's replacement.  I wasn't hopefull when they announced the re-appearnce of Darth Maul at the end of last year or the lead-in to this year's finale. At least they didn't go through all the hype and just kill him off after 5 min ;)
The Clone Wars should focus more on the on going battles between the Republic and the Seperatists; all this other stuff, while not bad in its own right, is more of what I hoped the live action TV show would focus on. Guess since THAT'S never gonna pan out, they decided to incorporate some of it into the CW series.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: Scockery on March 20, 2012, 10:20 AM
I think the show will end with Ahsoka alive.

I'd say that Kenobi has to kill Maul again...since he was robbed of that, but who knows...Sith on Sith violence could happen.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: GrandMoffNick on March 20, 2012, 11:45 AM
MattFury don't read this or anyone reading "Fate of the Jedi: Apocalyse",






They bring the "Alter of Mortis" Father, Son, and Daughter into this book. I'm not really sure what my point is, but I didn't see that coming. I haven't read much past the point of them becoming apart of the story, but hopefully it will make those episodes not seem so far fetched.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: Brian on March 22, 2012, 12:03 PM
A pretty nice interview with Dave Filoni is up over at IGN:

http://tv.ign.com/articles/122/1221285p1.html (http://tv.ign.com/articles/122/1221285p1.html)

He goes over the past season, and offers a few teases for Season 5.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: Nicklab on March 22, 2012, 10:36 PM
That's a pretty exhaustive interview.  It definitely covered all of season 4, and Filoni didn't really duck anything.  I think we all expected the big reveals to come at Celebration 6, and he pretty much confirmed that.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: Scockery on March 23, 2012, 08:50 PM
We once again discover most of the far out ideas, for better or worse, were from  Lucas.

I'd forgot Hondo Ohnaka  existed...so many characters on the show.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: darth broem 2 on March 24, 2012, 01:32 AM
I actually liked the last 2 episodes myself.  Actually the past 4 or 5.  I was getting a bit bored there until they started hyping up Maul's return.  I know it's the Clone Wars but I got a bit tired of the clones, clones, clones, and quit watching this show for quite awhile.  I liked the break from the clones to.  I don't mind a bad character like Asajj turning good for once either.  I hope the show sticks around at least 2 more season.  Then they can get that live-action TV series going hopefully sooner rather than later.  But with Lucas at the helm it will probably be 10 more years at least.   
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: TheSon on March 24, 2012, 08:11 AM
From the way Filoni was talking, it does not sound like season 5 will be the final season. He seems to have some very broad ideas that he want's to pursue. It seems he knows what will happen to Rex and Ahsoka. I would think if season five was it, he would be pimping the tie ins more.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: Jesse James on March 24, 2012, 07:11 PM
Could the show go into the time of ROTS, and beyond it?  Think it could handle that?
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: Scott on March 24, 2012, 10:08 PM
I say go for it...bring in Vader and how Clones either turn into or are phased out by Stormtroopers
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: Jesse James on March 25, 2012, 01:51 AM
Exactly what I was thinking Scott...  It's still, sort of, The Clone Wars even though the wars end...  The Clones just now shift from killing separatists, to subjucating worlds that have gotten caught up in the war on either side, and/or aided Jedi during Order 66 ala the Wookiees...

A cartoon about Vader, and post-Order 66 survivors?  I could handle that.  The budding rebellion and all...

Maybe stepping on the toes of the live-action show some, but why not try incorporating the two a little bit?  Maybe set up the live-action show some?
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: Jimree on March 28, 2012, 04:30 AM
It would be pretty interesting to move the show forward in time like that.
IF they did something like that, I hope it wouldn't be a "vader hunting down jedi of the week" type of thing
Could show vader spiraling downwards into darkness learning to cope with his suit, sort of like the book that was set right after ROTS. and more evil Palpatine.

Could be interesting
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: Jabba the Slug on March 28, 2012, 08:46 PM
I think that they would go into some ROTS-related territoy, I agree that the galaxy was still in the Clone Wars phase even after Palpatine declared the Republic the new Empire.

If Filoni was going to go into the ROTS timeline, and the season ended there, I wouldn't be surprised if a tie-in announcement was made regarding the live-action show.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: Brian on April 2, 2012, 08:57 PM
This isn't Season 4 specific necessarily, but I find it surprising (or telling) that since the finale aired, CW hasn't been on the air since.  I know it has only been a couple weeks, and I'm sure it is on its way back, but it seems so different than in the 1st (and even 2nd) seasons where they were playing it a replaying it several times a week.  With the backlog of episodes built up now, I'm surprised they don't play it on weekdays or something (like they do Ben 10 and some of their other shows).  It really does make you wonder if it is a drop in interest, or maybe just a period of trying out some new things.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: McMetal on October 24, 2012, 02:57 PM
JUSt FYI for anyone looking to pick up the newly released Season 4 set on blu-ray..I did some quick comparative shopping and noted the following:

Target: $49.99

Walmart: $39.99

Best Buy: $34.99

No extras, bonuses or any difference between the releases that I could see...I guess those frills have gone the way of the super articulated Clone Wars action figures.
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: Jesse James on October 24, 2012, 07:48 PM
Wow, Target's a rip on this one.  Best Buy you can get reward points I guess and enjoy the notion of not going into Wal-Mart.  :D
Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: Pete_Fett on October 25, 2012, 02:58 PM
Target and WalMart in my area both have the Season 4 set marked down to match the BestBuy price.

The shelf tag at Target says $49.99 but there's a "this week's sale" sticker in front of it and while WalMart had $39.96 on their shelf tag, it rang up for $34.96 when I went to check out.

So I think they are all about the same this week.

(for what it's worth).

But to echo what McMetal said - the Season 1 and 2 BluRay sets were MUCH NICER than the Season 3 or 4 ones. When people question where people get the idea that the Clone Wars is on its way out, it's things like that and time-slot moving that, to me at least, stink of the show winding down....

Title: Re: The Clone Wars - Season Four Discussion Thread
Post by: Diddly on January 15, 2013, 09:43 PM
I got the Blu-Ray for Christmas again this year and finally finished it last week. Not bad, much better than Season 3, but you can tell the writers/producers don't care as much anymore as they did back in Seasons 1 and 2.

Maul storyline was super lame, as expected, but I liked the Asajj "loner" aspect. The Obi-Wan Assassination storyline had some good parts too but could have been better. Liked the Pong Krell arc. And honestly that's pretty much all I remember. Gonna rewatch the entire series from scratch soon though.