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Title: NFL Offseason 2012
Post by: Scott on March 8, 2012, 04:45 PM
Peyton is released and nobody cares I guess...he sure would look good in purple
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2012
Post by: McMetal on March 8, 2012, 09:06 PM
Peyton is released and nobody cares I guess...he sure would look good in purple

Yikes, the Ponder bandwagon over already?

Rooting for the Seahawks, Cardinals, or Dolphins to win the Manning sweepstakes, thus saving the Redskins from making yet another costly blunder that will set the franchise back even further.

RGIII FTW!
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2012
Post by: Dressel Rebel on March 9, 2012, 02:17 AM
Peyton is released and nobody cares I guess...he sure would look good in purple

Who knows if this guy is even gonna play again.
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2012
Post by: Paul on March 9, 2012, 07:49 AM
And we haven't talked about bounty-gate either. 

I'm not worried about the Cowboys showing up in the news for that one, they haven't hit anybody in years.

I'd like to see Peyton Manning play again but I just don't see it happening.
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2012
Post by: EdSolo on March 9, 2012, 08:07 AM
You have to wonder if he is really worth it at this point.  Isn't he 36?  I think his price tag would cause salary cap issues for a lot of teams.  I'm sure the Redskin's fantasy football team captain owner will make a play at him, but I doubt Peyton wants to play in a colder climate or face his little brother twice a year.  I'm still hoping that the Skins trade up in the draft and pick a young QB.  Synder still hasn't learned his lesson about buying big name players though.
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2012
Post by: Qui-Gon Jim on March 9, 2012, 09:01 AM
Manning is a huge risk-reward case, probably the biggest one ever.  It pains me as a Pats fan to say it, but the guy is elite, and an instant game-changer.  If he is healthy. 

I think Indy made the right move, though I am not sure why the league never investigated their obvious tanking to get the top pick.

I think Manning ends up in Miami.
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2012
Post by: McMetal on March 9, 2012, 08:51 PM
You have to wonder if he is really worth it at this point.  Isn't he 36?  I think his price tag would cause salary cap issues for a lot of teams.  I'm sure the Redskin's fantasy football team captain owner will make a play at him, but I doubt Peyton wants to play in a colder climate or face his little brother twice a year.  I'm still hoping that the Skins trade up in the draft and pick a young QB.  Synder still hasn't learned his lesson about buying big name players though.

Apparently he has already told the 'Skins he is not interested in joining the team, so we can both breathe easier tonight. I guess he was not keen on facing Eli twice a year plus he seems to want to stay in the AFC. Crisis averted.
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2012
Post by: McMetal on March 10, 2012, 01:48 PM
Nice news to wake up to...Skins trade the house for rights to snag RGIII next month.  :o

It only cost:
2012 First Round pick
2012 Second Round pick
2013 First Round pick
2014 First Round pick

Yikes. I definitely think they overpaid, but I also think it's the right move and one they had to make. Cleveland was essentially offering the same deal, only they came late and apparently balked at trading both their first round picks this year, and Skins had a higher second to offer. It was really close though.

It just makes sense. The Shan Clan was obviously not overly wowed by the second-tier talent at the senior bowl/combine. RGIII fits their mold perfectly, great arm, mobile, athlectic, etc. And he's as dangerous above the neck as below. You can't argue the choice. Seems like a solid character guy as well.

They weren't going to make any strides with the current group of QB's they had, and with Peyton out and Flynn apparently not in the running, they only had the draft as their best option. This is probably the one year they could afford fewer picks as well, being so far under the cap will allow them to fill more holes with free agency.

And let's face it, the team was not going to make a real run this year anyway, but the fanbase will be a helluva lot more patient with RGIII in the fold than they would have been with anyone else in there short of Manning. This buys Shanny and company more time if nothing else.

It's a QB league, and if you don't have one of the few elite guys, you're just treading water. When you have a chance to get a guy of that caliber, you have to take it. I just hope they can build up enough of a team around him quickly enough to facilitate his success.

Go Skins~
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2012
Post by: Scott on March 10, 2012, 05:03 PM
That makes the win the Vikings had in Week 15 against the Skins all the more painful...ugh, losing AP and 3 first round picks, brilliant!
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2012
Post by: GrandMoffNick on March 11, 2012, 02:19 PM
That makes the win the Vikings had in Week 15 against the Skins all the more painful...ugh, losing AP and 3 first round picks, brilliant!

I'd have appreciated it if you hadn't pointed this out.
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2012
Post by: McMetal on March 13, 2012, 08:31 PM
Ok, Free Agency has been official for about four hours now and the Skins have already signed 3 Wide Receivers: Pierre Garcon, Josh Morgan, and Eddie Royal.  :o

At least RGIII will have some new faces to throw to next year.

What's YOUR team doing? Bears Fan digging Brandon Marshall?
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2012
Post by: I Am Sith on March 13, 2012, 10:07 PM
I'm digging Marshall only to say the Bears finally have a legit receiver that isn't well past his prime.  If he can keep his attitude in check (I keep having flashbacks of the pre-season with the Broncos when he was punting the ball after catches) and if the offensive line can actually give Cutler time to throw, they might actually have a 1000yd receiver in Chicago for the first time in recent memory...
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2012
Post by: Rob on March 13, 2012, 10:56 PM

What's YOUR team doing?

Vincent Jackson!  For the first time in 3 years, the Bucs are actually being aggressive and demonstrating that they're interested in fielding a competitive team.  I'm excited.  They've been linked to Curtis Lofton (although that's falling apart as the rumors are that he wanted $9 million per year) and have Carl Nicks coming in for a visit (tomorrow?).  If they can ink Nicks and find a CB and a LB, I'll be beyond thrilled.

Ok, Free Agency has been official for about four hours now and the Skins have already signed 3 Wide Receivers: Pierre Garcon, Josh Morgan, and Eddie Royal.  :o

At least RGIII will have some new faces to throw to next year.

Vincent Jackson got  5 years, $55 million, with a $26 million dollar signing bonus.

Pierre Garcon got 5 years, $42.5 million, with a $21.5 million dollar signing bonus.

The Skins overpaid, badly.  But that's sort of what Snyder does I suppose...

Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2012
Post by: McMetal on March 14, 2012, 08:53 AM
Vincent Jackson got  5 years, $55 million, with a $26 million dollar signing bonus.

Pierre Garcon got 5 years, $42.5 million, with a $21.5 million dollar signing bonus.

The Skins overpaid, badly.  But that's sort of what Snyder does I suppose...

Well, Snyder does not negotiate contracts, that is Bruce Allen's job now...Danny just signs the checks.

Hard to say what the market value would be for Garcon, or what he will ultimately bring to the table, so I think it's a bit early to say he was overpaid BADLY. These contracts seem to balloon every year, so you can't really base it on any previous benchmarks. I agree it sounds like a lot for a guy that is not a legit #1 WR, but who knows what other teams were interested or what he could have commanded elsewhere.

At least there has been a significant change the past few years with Shanahan and Allen focusing their free agent efforts on younger, less "big name" guys who still have plenty of upside. Garcon is 26 and comes without any of the off-field baggage Jackson does, so I'm sure that factored in as well. Ditto Josh Morgan.

Apparently Royal has not officially signed yet, so we'll see what happens there.

I do think Jackson has some mad talent and was a very good pick-up for the Bucs. No doubt Josh Freeman is happy today.
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2012
Post by: Rob on March 14, 2012, 11:52 AM
Well, Snyder does not negotiate contracts, that is Bruce Allen's job now...Danny just signs the checks.

Sure, but owners are almost always involved in what kind of money GM's are permitted to spend, and we all know Synder likes to be very involved.

Hard to say what the market value would be for Garcon, or what he will ultimately bring to the table, so I think it's a bit early to say he was overpaid BADLY. These contracts seem to balloon every year, so you can't really base it on any previous benchmarks. I agree it sounds like a lot for a guy that is not a legit #1 WR, but who knows what other teams were interested or what he could have commanded elsewhere.

At least there has been a significant change the past few years with Shanahan and Allen focusing their free agent efforts on younger, less "big name" guys who still have plenty of upside. Garcon is 26 and comes without any of the off-field baggage Jackson does, so I'm sure that factored in as well. Ditto Josh Morgan.

Apparently Royal has not officially signed yet, so we'll see what happens there.

I do think Jackson has some mad talent and was a very good pick-up for the Bucs. No doubt Josh Freeman is happy today.

Sure, it could work out nicely, and Garcon had a good year with no QB last season, but he's never proven that he's a $8 or $10 million a year kind of player.



The Bucs signed Eric Wright and Carl Nicks this morning.  Between that and Vincent Jackson, I'm beyond thrilled.
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2012
Post by: JediJman on March 14, 2012, 02:39 PM
ARe the Bucs still looking at Manningham as well?  That would be a serious a WR upgrade paired with Jackson.  I wnder where that leaves Mike Williams...

Not much new for the Pack, but they don't typically do much with free agency.  Looks like Flynn will sign somewhere else - that place practically manufactures starting QBs.
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2012
Post by: Rob on March 14, 2012, 02:55 PM
ARe the Bucs still looking at Manningham as well?  That would be a serious a WR upgrade paired with Jackson.  I wnder where that leaves Mike Williams...

I don't think so.  I think they feel like Jackson will open up the field to the point where Williams can be a strong #2 guy - which is what he's more suited to.

I wouldn't be surprised at all if they draft Trent Richardson at #5 to really round out that offense.  They could use another TE as well.

As for what they're doing now, at the press conference they said they're turning their focus to the draft now but will 'monitor' free agency.  They almost inked Curtis Lofton, and I'm hoping that they're still going to try to sign him if he'll come down off of the $9 million asking price.

Jeff Faine will probably be released very soon, he'll free up another $6 million in cap space.
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2012
Post by: McMetal on March 14, 2012, 03:23 PM
Nicks IS a GREAT signing...Bucs are definitely making moves this year. Where do you think they'll go in the draft?
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2012
Post by: Rob on March 14, 2012, 03:30 PM
Nicks IS a GREAT signing...Bucs are definitely making moves this year. Where do you think they'll go in the draft?

I don't think there's much doubt that they're going to choose between Clairborne or Richardson at #5, unless Clairborne goes to Cleveland at 4.  Other than that, depending on the rest of free agency.... they need LB help BADLY.  They could use a safety (rumors that they're talking to Reggie Nelson).  Basically... areas of need, in order:

RB
LB
CB
S
TE
RT
DL

Big moves, but still very much a work in progress... the team has lots of holes, lots of young guys, and lots of guys who need to prove it this year (Freeman... Williams... McCoy... Bowers... Blount...).  They should certainly be much improved over a horrible 2011, but I don't know that they're in the playoffs just yet.
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2012
Post by: McMetal on March 14, 2012, 10:07 PM
They could use a safety (rumors that they're talking to Reggie Nelson).

LaRon Landry is still available. :)
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2012
Post by: Rob on March 14, 2012, 10:30 PM
I saw the bodybuilding photos... that guy is an injury waiting to happen.  Last I read the Patriots were bringing him in for a visit.
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2012
Post by: Ryan on March 19, 2012, 09:58 PM
(http://paniniamerica.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/manningbroncos.jpg?w=600)

WOO-HOO!!! A REAL QB. :)
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2012
Post by: I Am Sith on March 19, 2012, 10:32 PM
So which city gets to host Tebow Time next?!
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2012
Post by: McMetal on March 19, 2012, 10:39 PM
Good luck with that.

I still don't get why they felt they need to jerk around with a team that is just coming off a solid run and some post-season success like they had. Why they are so desperate to run Tebow out of town? I get that the guy has a somewhat limited skill set but still, you beat the freaking Steelers last year!

Even worse is San Fran though - those guys were a play or two away from the Super Bowl! And you're ready to dump Smith who FINALLY got his act together and jump into bed with Manning? Now you could lose BOTH guys and be screwed royally. Serves them right.

Harbaugh has not made many missteps since taking over but that was a colossal one, IMO.
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2012
Post by: Jesse James on March 19, 2012, 11:33 PM
I get that the guy has a somewhat limited skill set but still, you beat the freaking Steelers last year!

I'm by no means a Tebow basher...  I don't mind him, but they beat a seriously depleted, banged up, worn out Steelers team last year.

I don't know what Tebow gets paid but he could learn a lot from Manning, and maybe improve as a player, as Manning's back-up.
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2012
Post by: Matt_Fury on March 20, 2012, 06:57 PM
Peyton Manning will never be the Peyton Manning that won Super Bowl XLVI.  I think the Broncos made a $96 Million mistake here, especially if they get rid of Tebow.

If you brought Peyton in to help Tebow develop long term, fine, but he is one blind-side hit from being in a wheelchair.  That is in the back of his mind.
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2012
Post by: Rob on March 20, 2012, 07:58 PM
Tebow isn't an NFL QB.  Replacing him can't be a mistake.
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2012
Post by: Matt_Fury on March 21, 2012, 12:29 AM
He is unconventional, but he's also motivated to be better.  I have all the respect in the world for Peyton Manning, he's a true hall of fame QB, but I don't see him lasting 5 years.  If they don't win the Super Bowl this year, they never will with Peyton.
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2012
Post by: JediJman on March 21, 2012, 10:51 AM
Tebow may not be a great NFL QB, but he's fun to watch.  If he sells tickets and jersies, one of these teams will want him starting.  I think he'll end up with one of the teams in Florida where his fan base is huge.  Honestly, I think he'd still be starting for the Broncos again if not for Elway's ego.

Manning is a solid leader and a nice move for Denver.  Look how good they were last year with an eratic QB.  Adding a legitimate passing threat should position them for a good run.  Smart of them to grab Clark as well to help ease Manning in.
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2012
Post by: Rob on March 21, 2012, 10:55 AM
Unconventional isn't his problem... poor throwing is.  I say he flops wherever he ends up. 

I hope he proves me wrong, I like the kid.  I love what he did for Florida.
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2012
Post by: Dressel Rebel on March 21, 2012, 11:19 AM
I saw the bodybuilding photos... that guy is an injury waiting to happen.  Last I read the Patriots were bringing him in for a visit.

Not a hint of steroids or other banned performance enhancing drugs.  Why would you even think such a thing?  Clean as a whistle.  Definitely.

(http://rantsports.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/clubhouse/files/2012/02/LaRon-Landry-swole.png)
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2012
Post by: McMetal on March 21, 2012, 11:27 AM
Yep, LL is freaky swoll up, but he's a Jet now, so he's their problem.

I always liked him on the Skins, even when he was no-showing autograph signings or getting trucked by Brandon Jacobs, but you can't be throwing big money at a guy that cannot stay on the field.

RE: Tebow, sounds like it's down to the Jags or Jets. I don't think either of those are a great fit, but I'm sure one of them will take a chance. (Though I seriously doubt they can wrangle a 3rd Round pick for him as has been discussed)

I guess Rex and new OC Sparano love the wildcat, so he works for that. That locker room is a mess though, and NY is a mighty bright spotlight.

Jax is home turf but it sounds like it's the owner who really wants him, not the football guys, so that doesn't bode well. Plus they JUST drafted Gabbert last year, way too early to start closing the book on him.

Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2012
Post by: Rob on March 21, 2012, 02:48 PM
I just read that Sean Payton is suspended a year, Saints GM suspended 8 games, Rams DC Greg Williams suspended INDEFINITELY.

Saints lose 2 2nd round draft picks and are fined $500k

Holy ****.

Assistant Coach Joe Vitt suspended 6 games.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/7718136/sean-payton-new-orleans-saints-banned-one-year-bounties


27 players are involved too - their punishment is still under review.

The Saints are ******.
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2012
Post by: JediJman on March 21, 2012, 03:02 PM
Wow.  I thought they were just going to get their hand slapped for this, but nice to see the league taking it seriously.  Supensions for the coach and GM, losing Williams (forever?), and losing a draft pick each of the next two years?  OUCH.

Looks like Tebow is headed to the Jets per CNN:

"The New York Jets announced Wednesday that they have agreed on a trade with the Denver Broncos for quarterback Tim Tebow, who was displaced in Denver by superstar Peyton Manning.  The Jets have agreed in principle to the trade, the team said on its Facebook page. "
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2012
Post by: Rob on March 21, 2012, 03:10 PM
They deserve every ounce of it IMO.  Bonuses for injuring opponents is as despicable as it gets.

It's a shame that the Rams are sort of getting ****** too though since Williams was their DC now, but I don't see a way around that.

As for Tebow... that's going to be a circus.  NY already hates Sanchez, and Tebow is the guy that every fan wants replacing a ****** starter (see:  Kyle Orton).

Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2012
Post by: Jesse James on March 21, 2012, 03:50 PM
3rded.
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2012
Post by: Scott on March 21, 2012, 04:41 PM
They should take away their ******* Super Bowl victory and give it to the Vikings...******* dirty bastards
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2012
Post by: Rob on March 21, 2012, 06:15 PM
They should take away their ******* Super Bowl victory and give it to the Vikings...******* dirty bastards

I think the Colts would have something to say about that.
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2012
Post by: Scott on March 21, 2012, 06:43 PM
I guarantee the Vikes would have won that :P
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2012
Post by: Nicklab on March 21, 2012, 06:56 PM
I think it's pretty likely that the Saints were not the only team offering bounties.  Greg Williams had a history of doing this sort of thing when he was coaching other teams, too.  It definitely bears further examination by the NFL.  And considering how hard they just came down on the Saints, you've got to think that the NFL is going to launch a league-wide investigation.

As for Tim Tebow going to the Jets?  Talk about the potential for personality conflicts between the brash, in your face style of Rex Ryan and choirboy Tim Tebow.  I think Jets fans would have much rather gotten Peyton Manning given the choice.
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2012
Post by: Rob on March 21, 2012, 08:07 PM
As for Tim Tebow going to the Jets?  Talk about the potential for personality conflicts between the brash, in your face style of Rex Ryan and choirboy Tim Tebow.  I think Jets fans would have much rather gotten Peyton Manning given the choice.

Well, the whole thing is on hold now anyway... Jags and Rams reportedly involved now too.
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2012
Post by: Rob on March 21, 2012, 08:36 PM
Schefter just wrote:

Tim Tebow is being allowed to pick the team he wants to go to. He picks the trade. Jets or Jacksonville.
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2012
Post by: McMetal on March 21, 2012, 09:52 PM
That bounty stuff does not bother me at all...that stuff has been going on for years, football is a violent, brutal game, and I don't have a problem with a guy trying to knock someone out of the game. You should be doing that on every play anyway without any financial incentives IMO.

I understand why they had to come down hard from a legal and liability standpoint, but it smacks of hypocrisy to me.

How exactly do you ban a coach for a year though? He can't have any contact with the team? That seems impossible to enforce. 
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2012
Post by: Dressel Rebel on March 21, 2012, 10:06 PM
So does James Harrison get a bounty, or does he just do it for free?

(http://dawgpounddaily.com/files/2011/12/colt-mccoy-james-harrison-hit-1-gettyimages.jpg)

(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_Y-DbBvf7R5Y/TPY8Q1BQx4I/AAAAAAAAe-A/469Bhbsq_iY/s1600/HarrisonHit-a.jpg)

(http://www.steelersgab.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/harrison.jpg)

(http://www.csmonitor.com/var/ezflow_site/storage/images/media/images/1021-steelers-hit/8852508-1-eng-US/1021-steelers-hit_full_600.jpg)

(http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images_root/images/photos/001/052/568/104683435_crop_650x440.jpg?1287410069)
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2012
Post by: Rob on March 21, 2012, 11:10 PM
James Harrison just likes the taste of blood.
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2012
Post by: Dressel Rebel on March 22, 2012, 08:14 AM
Oh God.  I was hoping he just wanted the bounty.
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2012
Post by: Scott on March 22, 2012, 10:13 AM
That bounty stuff does not bother me at all...that stuff has been going on for years, football is a violent, brutal game, and I don't have a problem with a guy trying to knock someone out of the game. You should be doing that on every play anyway without any financial incentives IMO.

I totally disagree with that statement.  Yeah Football is a brutal game but there is also that pesky thing called sportsmanship.  This isn't boxing or MMA, defenses aren't out aiming at knees on every play hoping they blow up someone's ACL.  Having the head coach endorse a plan with the intent to injure makes me a little sick.  I think back to AP's ACL at Washington last Christmas and every player on both sides was mad and upset...you think that the Washington bobo was trying to hurt him?  At the end of the day those guys are a lot tighter than they let on, after games they are hugging and back slapping even if they get their asses kicked.   I think the punishment is light still and I really believe they should get that Super Bowl victory taken away.
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2012
Post by: JediJman on March 22, 2012, 11:05 AM
I think I fall somewhere between the two arguements.  Totally agree with Scott that on a player basis, they mostly should not/are not trying to hurt each other.  Why would they?  Beyond being friends and just decent people, these guys know that if they put the hurt on someone, that paints a big fat target on their own ass down the road.  Maybe not the next game, maybe not this season, but someone is going to be looking for payback at some point. 

Now that said, I think the punishment was fair.  They can't really take the ring away for something like this.  They didn't take rings away from the Pats who were caught flat out cheating, so I don't know how you can justify doing so for a team that was incented to be more aggressive.  Sure, this probably happens more than we know, but this case is very public and the NFL has to do something to convey to the public that they won't condone it.  They're making an example of the Saints to deter this thing publicly and honestly, to protect themselves from future lawsuits from injured players.  If they didn't have the financial liability to worry about, I wonder if the punishment would have been even this severe.

Wouldn't have mattered to the Vikes either way.  They would have found a way to choke out another loss even if they had made it to the big game.   ;D
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2012
Post by: GrandMoffNick on April 5, 2012, 01:28 PM
Have you heard the Gregg Williams audio? Wow.
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2012
Post by: Rob on April 5, 2012, 03:57 PM
A lifetime ban is in order.
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2012
Post by: McMetal on April 5, 2012, 10:10 PM
Is anyone surprised that teams target players that have had recent injuries? The Giants went after the same 49'ers KR with the concussion and caused two fumbles because of it which led directly to them winning that game.

I don't mean to sound as if I'm advocating cheap shots or dirty play, I just think if you're playing all-out within the confines of the rules, and you're trying to "kill the QB" that's ok. Not literally kill him, but hitting the guy as hard as you possibly can? Sure. And guys can talk about not wanting to hurt other guys but when you're in that situation you have to sort of concede that is a likely result, don't you?

"Hi, I'm a 320 pound defensive tackle who outweighs you by over a hundred pounds and I'm going to slam into you with as much physical force as I can muster while you're in a relatively defenseless position, BUT I'M NOT TRYING TO HURT YOU AT ALL."

Some of the violence from the 60's and 70's would probably blow people's minds today. You want to talk about physical brutality? Watch some old tape of Dick Butkus or Night Train Lane. They were trying to lay guys out, no joke.  And they weren't looking for payouts either, dudes were just flat out mean.

Anyway, just my two cents, not trying to be a pot-stirrer or anything, I don't even follow the game that closely anymore. I can understand and respect that this stuff is pretty repulsive to a lot of people. I guess I'm just jaded in that respect.
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2012
Post by: JediJman on April 5, 2012, 11:23 PM
I'm not surprised that guys go after injured players at all.  I'm sure that happens all the time.  Football is all about exploiting a weakness, whether its an injured player, a lack of experience, a mismatch in talent, etc.  I think the difference is that players need to decide what they are going to do and how they are going to play on their own.  Someone incenting another player to go hurt someone feels more wrong to me.  It's like the difference between buying a slutty girl a drink and hiring a prostitute.   ;)
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2012
Post by: GrandMoffNick on April 6, 2012, 07:57 AM

Some of the violence from the 60's and 70's would probably blow people's minds today. You want to talk about physical brutality? Watch some old tape of Dick Butkus or Night Train Lane. They were trying to lay guys out, no joke.  And they weren't looking for payouts either, dudes were just flat out mean.


And how many of them are suing the league now?  ::)
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2012
Post by: Morgbug on April 24, 2012, 05:58 PM
Who are the Los Angeles Minnesota Vikings going to draft?
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2012
Post by: Rob on April 24, 2012, 06:17 PM
Who are the Los Angeles Minnesota Vikings going to draft?

Probably Matt Kalil, OT, USC.

Darkhorse:  Morris Claiborne, DB, LSU

Unless they're able to trade down.
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2012
Post by: McMetal on April 26, 2012, 08:51 AM
Ah yes, I can't believe it's finally here...RGIII Day!  ;D

The light at the end of the tunnel finally emerges...hope springs anew.

Good luck to everyone's teams drafting tonight.
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2012
Post by: Scott on April 26, 2012, 08:55 AM
I've heard some rumors coming into work today on the radio that a swap between the Vikings and Tampa is brewing...#3 overall for #5 overall and a 2nd or 3rd...Bucs get Richardson and Vikes still get Kalil
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2012
Post by: Rob on April 26, 2012, 09:39 AM
As much as I want the Bucs to get Richardson (like, a lot), they have too many holes to fill to move UP in this draft.  They'd better not give up more than a 5th if they want to move up like that (or, Talib can go if you want him).

(Other) Possibilities for Tampa as I see it - in the order that I think the team would prefer:

Trade down a few spots - draft Luke Kuechly
Stay at 5 - draft Richardson if he's there
Stay at 5 - draft Morris Claiborne if Richardson is gone
Stay at 5 - draft Kalil if the Vikings take Claiborne and the Browns take Richardson.
Stay at 5 - draft Kuechly if Claiborne goes to Minny and Richardson to Cleveland, AND they can't get a trade down offer for some team like Buffalo that wants Kalil

Lots of moving parts for a draft pick that high.

If the Bucs get Richardson, I'm thinking someone like Lavonte David, LB in round 2.

If they get Claiborne, it'll either be someone like David, or Doug Martin, RB if he's still there.

Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2012
Post by: GrandMoffNick on April 26, 2012, 10:23 AM
No Pro Bowl? What will I do the Sunday before the Super Bowl? Oh wait, the same thing as always, not watch the Pro Bowl.
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2012
Post by: McMetal on April 26, 2012, 11:58 AM
I've heard some rumors coming into work today on the radio that a swap between the Vikings and Tampa is brewing...#3 overall for #5 overall and a 2nd or 3rd...Bucs get Richardson and Vikes still get Kalil

That seems like a bit of a reach, depending on the compensation. Great deal for Minnesota though, if they can swing it.

I still think the Vikes take Kalil and the Browns take Richardson and the Bucs take Claiborne. Rams probably go Blackmon...and then it gets interesting. I will not blame any Miami fan for taking to the streets in anger if they do not pick Tannehill.

I think it's the second and third rounds this year that will be really interesting. This is a deep draft for some positions, could be some good guys left later.
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2012
Post by: Scott on April 26, 2012, 07:31 PM
Well...that rumor must have been true as Cleveland and LA just swapped #3 for #4 and three more picks plus they still get who they wanted!
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2012
Post by: McMetal on April 26, 2012, 07:56 PM
LA = Minnesota? Stadium joke, I assume? Well-played.

Yeah, that seems crazy desperate to me. The only way that would possibly make sense is if they were sure someone else was going to move up to get Richardson. Which how could they possibly know, right? Vikings make out like bandits and get the player they wanted anyway.

Crazy stuff...I see a lot more trades going down before it's all through.

Gonna be a long wait for me between RGIII and the Skins next pick in the third round...eesh.
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2012
Post by: Rob on April 27, 2012, 12:14 AM
The Bucs walked away with the top safety and the second best RB.  I couldn't be happier.
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2012
Post by: McMetal on April 27, 2012, 11:30 AM
The Bucs walked away with the top safety and the second best RB.  I couldn't be happier.

I thought the Giants picked David Wilson?  ;)

What a weird draft last night was. I did not watch last year's at all, but the coverage was a lot more disappointing that I recall from years past.

First off, where were the war-room cams? Where were the interviews with GM's, coaches, etc reacting to their picks/trades/etc? We got NONE of that. Even the player interviews seemed rushed.

Second, there seemed like a LOT of intentional delays...I was constantly seeing "Pick Is In" and then it would be like another 5 minutes before the Commish sauntered up to the podium. I understand things are happening quickly, and it is a TV event for fans, so they want to milk each selection for all it's worth, sell advertising, etc but after awhile it just seems contrived. Teams were putting in picks FAST, they probably could have wrapped it all up in two hours without all the fluff.

I did find all the trades interesting, teams giving up multiple picks to only move up a couple of spots. Seems like a lot of teams fell in love with a certain guy and just got locked in.

I don't think anyone had a "bad" draft (and honestly who even knows for a few years) but if I was a Rams fan I would be coming away kind of disappointed. They didn't get Blackmon, Richardson, or any kind of OL help for Bradford. Stockpiling picks is nice but that team needs talent, not just role-players.

I also liked Gruden playing devil's advocate and showing some clips from guys he had concerns about, that was a refreshing realty check for all the unbridled optimism.

Anyways, RGIII is in the house, so all is right with the world.  ;D
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2012
Post by: JediJman on April 27, 2012, 11:34 AM
I don't think anyone had a "bad" draft (and honestly who even knows for a few years) but if I was a Rams fan I would be coming away kind of disappointed. They didn't get Blackmon, Richardson, or any kind of OL help for Bradford. Stockpiling picks is nice but that team needs talent, not just role-players.

I actually think the Rams are playing it smart.  A lot of early round guys don't live up to expectations in the NFL and the Skill players are usually head cases.  I'm looking at you Blackmon.  That team needs a lot of help, so I don't think its a bad strategy to scoop up a lot of later picks and pass on some of the prima donnas.
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2012
Post by: Rob on April 27, 2012, 11:43 AM
I thought the Giants picked David Wilson?  ;)

I've read a lot of articles since last night, and nearly all of them say that everyone and their mother knew that the Giants wanted Martin, and the Bucs traded back up specifically to get in front of them and ruin their night.

They reached for Wilson.


I don't think anyone had a "bad" draft (and honestly who even knows for a few years)

Sure, it takes a few years to know for sure, but you can evaluate strategy and I think a few teams didn't do such a great job... Cleveland got their RB, but they did NOT need to trade up to do so, and they gave up 3 picks to do that.  The Vikings made them look silly. 

Drafting Weeden in the 1st round was absurd.  If they wanted a QB, drafting a 28 year old with question marks that early is a mistake, especially when they probably could have had him later.  Richardson will probably be good, but I think they did more wrong than right.

Seattle didn't do a terribly good job either I don't think.

Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2012
Post by: McMetal on April 27, 2012, 01:57 PM
I thought the Giants picked David Wilson?  ;)

I've read a lot of articles since last night, and nearly all of them say that everyone and their mother knew that the Giants wanted Martin, and the Bucs traded back up specifically to get in front of them and ruin their night.

They reached for Wilson.

I tend to give the Giants the benefit of the doubt on draft strategy, they do it better than any other team IMO.

I'm admittedly biased, because I watched nearly every Tech game but not so many Boise State, so I'm only speaking from what I have observed personally. But David Wilson is GOOD. Not saying the other guys isn't, or won't be better ultimately, but I don't think it was as much of a reach as some might.

Cleveland and Miami just reek of QB desperation...I think they made those picks to appease their fanbase than because they really deserved to be drafted that high.
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2012
Post by: Morgbug on April 27, 2012, 06:22 PM
Cleveland got their RB, but they did NOT need to trade up to do so, and they gave up 3 picks to do that.  The Vikings made them look silly. 


I think they traded with the Vikings to block trades with other teams that wanted to move up.  Not that I'm complaining, I think the LA team did very well last night with their two first round picks.  The latter might have been a reach and maybe they could have waited for their 3rd round pick and still got him, but they did need to fill that hole and got the second best available at the position. 
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2012
Post by: Scott on April 27, 2012, 07:31 PM
You meant 2nd right?  They had been talking about him for the last couple of months for that 2nd round pick...I saw mocks with him going at anywhere from 26 to 32 so it wasn't a huge reach
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2012
Post by: Jesse James on April 27, 2012, 08:35 PM
For having the 24th pick, the Steelers did quite well picking up a guy that was touted as a top 10 pick, and who could be an immediate impact player.  Plus it shored up a porous offensive line, the kind of pick I was rolling my eyes at them NOT making last year.  Yay.
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2012
Post by: Rob on April 27, 2012, 10:55 PM
The Bucs got a 4th round pick for moving from 5 to 7 in the 1st round.

They used that 4th round pick to jump back up and snatch Doug Martin, and got a later 4th round pick in return.

Today they used that 4th round pick to jump back into the late 2nd and draft Lavonte David. 

Kiper had him as the 3rd best available player at the start of today, and I didn't think in a million years he'd last long enough for Tampa to get him, but it worked out.  The Bucs are going to leave this draft with 3 starters, all of whom should be ranked in about the top 40 players in the draft.

After 3 years of pure **** in Tampa, I'm exceptionally, freakishly happy with how this has all gone down.
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2012
Post by: JediJman on April 27, 2012, 11:49 PM
I'm pleased with what the Pack has done thus far.  Skill players may be more flashy, but the Packers rarely go that route in the draft.  We need to start rebuilding the defense and they're off to a great start.

 - Sounds like Perry's a heck of a pass rusher
 - Worthy is a sorely needed big, quick tackle
 - Hayward is a smart, fast corner.  A solid compliment and future replacement for Woodson.

Good, smart picks.
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2012
Post by: McMetal on April 28, 2012, 06:58 PM
So the draft is done...another crop of interesting late-round picks for the Skins.

I love the people freaking out about them taking Cousins with a 4th...like this creates some kind of QB controversy. Dude was drafted solely to replace John Beck, whom they IMMEDIATELY released after making the pick.

God forbid RGIII gets hit by a car crossing the street next week and the franchise is ham-strung for the next 3 years with no first round picks.


BPA...it's not rocket science.
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2012
Post by: Morgbug on May 10, 2012, 06:05 PM
Did the Governor sign off yet?  Last hurdle apparently and it's no more LA baby. 
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2012
Post by: Scott on May 10, 2012, 07:19 PM
That is just a formality...I never ever thought this day would come.  30 more years of heartbreak, pain and tears.   I've never been happier :P
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2012
Post by: Morgbug on May 10, 2012, 11:16 PM
Formality is good. 

Should be down for the home opener this year and hopefully many more.  Hoping to catch a tour at Surly Friday, Twins Saturday and Vikes Sunday.  8)
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2012
Post by: Jeff on May 10, 2012, 11:18 PM
That is just a formality...

I have faith that the Minneapolis City Council will find a way to kick up a little more drama before it is all said and done...  You just know that one of the Seven 'yes" votes will start to sway just enough to get something or other pet project done by the city before voting for the stadium.   :-X
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2012
Post by: Scott on May 10, 2012, 11:54 PM
I know Surly is building a tasting room...not sure when that is supposed to be done
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2012
Post by: Morgbug on June 20, 2012, 07:16 PM
Nobody talking about Harvin?
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2012
Post by: Jayson on June 21, 2012, 09:22 AM
I'll be retiring his jersey this season. No way am I going to support him after this crap.
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2012
Post by: evenflow on July 2, 2012, 02:11 AM
I just want to again mention how much i hate the entire Jets organization. As much as i miss my season tickets and will always love them, Revis makes me sick and all of his antics. I wish they would just clean house, keep Mangold and Keller and get rid of the entire roster.  ;D
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2012
Post by: Nicklab on July 3, 2012, 05:14 PM
NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell is upholding the player suspensions (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d82a4e6b7/article/saints-bounty-scandal-player-discipline-upheld-by-goodell-?module=HP11_headline_stack) from the Saints "Bounty-Gate" scandal.  And the suspensions are definitely serious!

-Jonathan Vilma - Suspended for the entire 2012 season
-Anthony Hargrove - Suspended for 8 games
-Will Smith - Suspended for 4 games
-Scott Fujita - Suspended for 3 games
Title: Re: NFL Offseason 2012
Post by: Rob on July 3, 2012, 05:16 PM
I'm shocked.

No, really.