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Title: Superman - Man of Steel
Post by: Jayson on October 4, 2010, 07:11 PM
Zack Snyder to direct Superman reboot (http://splashpage.mtv.com/2010/10/04/zack-snyder-superman-movie-director/)
Title: Re: Superman - Man of Steel
Post by: P-Siddy on October 4, 2010, 10:52 PM
Is this a reboot of the reboot?
Title: Re: Superman - Man of Steel
Post by: Diddly on October 5, 2010, 12:09 AM
I think it's the "slow-mo shots of Superman with Lady Gaga playing in the background" version
Title: Re: Superman - Man of Steel
Post by: Hemish on October 5, 2010, 06:17 AM
Its got to be a reboot, returns was supposed to be after superman2 but if this is using the general as the villain its got to be a restart
Title: Re: Superman - Man of Steel
Post by: Brian on January 30, 2011, 04:57 PM
New Superman (http://www.superherohype.com/news/articles/125177-henry-cavill-to-play-superman), Henry Cavill.
Title: Re: Superman - Man of Steel
Post by: DSJ™ on March 3, 2011, 10:02 PM
Diane Lane cast as Superman's mother (http://marquee.blogs.cnn.com/2011/03/03/diane-lane-cast-as-supermans-mother/?hpt=T2)
Title: Re: Superman - Man of Steel
Post by: Sprry75 on March 3, 2011, 10:22 PM
She's doing mom roles, huh?

Christ, I'm old.
Title: Re: Superman - Man of Steel
Post by: JediJman on March 3, 2011, 11:33 PM
She's doing mom roles, huh?

Christ, I'm old.

Well, it is Ma Kent when she finds Superman as a toddler.  She's not that old.  ;)

(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_sOvIHitObKk/SJLPPmKhEpI/AAAAAAAAALw/64JroJ9a9MA/s400/diane20lane204nb0sg2.jpg)
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Post by: 501ST on March 3, 2011, 11:34 PM
Diane Lane - hot.
Title: Re: Superman - Man of Steel
Post by: efranks on March 4, 2011, 02:58 AM
She played Hayden Christiansen's mom in Jumper.

And yes, Diane Lane = hot.

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Title: Re: Superman - Man of Steel
Post by: Jeff on March 18, 2011, 02:31 PM
Diane Lane cast as Superman's mother (http://marquee.blogs.cnn.com/2011/03/03/diane-lane-cast-as-supermans-mother/?hpt=T2)

Kevin Costner cast as Pa Kent (http://herocomplex.latimes.com/2011/03/17/superman-finds-a-father-kevin-costner-will-be-jonathan-kent/)
Title: Re: Superman - Man of Steel
Post by: Brian on March 27, 2011, 08:42 PM
Amy Adams cast as Lois Lane (http://blog.newsarama.com/2011/03/27/amy-adams-is-lois-lane-in-zack-snyders-superman/)
Title: Re: Superman - Man of Steel
Post by: BillCable on March 27, 2011, 08:46 PM
Since when is Lois Lane 10 years older than Superman?
Title: Re: Superman - Man of Steel
Post by: McMetal on March 27, 2011, 09:24 PM
Since when is Lois Lane 10 years older than Superman?

...and a redhead?!?!
Title: Re: Superman - Man of Steel
Post by: JediJman on March 27, 2011, 11:18 PM
Since when is Lois Lane 10 years older than Superman?

I actually always thought she was older from the original Superman movie.  She's an established and well respected journalist when Clark is just joining the paper, so it would make sense that she's a few years older than him.  Not sure about a decade, but Amy Adams looks young enough IMO.
Title: Re: Superman - Man of Steel
Post by: DSJ™ on June 16, 2011, 10:54 AM
Russell Crowe might play Jor-El in the new Superman movie (http://www.cnn.com/2011/SHOWBIZ/Movies/06/16/russell.crowe.superman/index.html?hpt=hp_t2)
Title: Re: Superman - Man of Steel
Post by: JediJman on June 17, 2011, 08:27 AM
Russell Crowe might play Jor-El in the new Superman movie (http://www.cnn.com/2011/SHOWBIZ/Movies/06/16/russell.crowe.superman/index.html?hpt=hp_t2)

That's got to be weird for him, going from the star of action flicks to the dad...
Title: Re: Superman - Man of Steel
Post by: Brian on July 21, 2011, 06:14 PM
Sounds like the latest Superman movie "Man of Steel" has been pushed back from next December to June 14, 2013.
Title: Re: Superman - Man of Steel
Post by: Brian on August 4, 2011, 10:11 AM
First look (http://www.superherohype.com/news/articles/168111-first-look-at-henry-cavill-as-superman-in-man-of-steel) at Henry Cavill as Superman in 2013's "Man of Steel"

(http://www.comingsoon.net/nextraimages/manofsteelsupermanbig.jpg)
Title: Re: Superman - Man of Steel
Post by: BillCable on August 4, 2011, 10:25 AM
I see they went with the toned-down "Superman Returns" color scheme for the costume.  That worked so well last time...   :P

Not feeling the texture of the costume... especially the logo.  It's like he's wrapped in bubble wrap.
Title: Re: Superman - Man of Steel
Post by: BillCable on August 24, 2011, 06:34 PM
No red undies for Superman (http://www.darkhorizons.com/news/21577/-man-of-steel-loses-his-red-speedos)

I don't get it why studios don't understand that an all-blue unitard looks awful...
Title: Re: Superman - Man of Steel
Post by: Master_Phruby on August 24, 2011, 08:56 PM
Maybe they will digitize it in when they enhance.... nevermind. :-X
Title: Re: Superman - Man of Steel
Post by: JediJman on August 24, 2011, 09:52 PM
I think the new costume looks better than the 80's jazzercise version with red briefs.
Title: Re: Superman - Man of Steel
Post by: BillCable on August 24, 2011, 11:24 PM
I think the new costume looks better than the 80's jazzercise version with red briefs.

That was a different era... that's like comparing Adam West's Batman to Bale's.

The costume fails by today's standards.

To me, first off it looks way over-padded.  Granted it's from a distance, but his pecs, thighs and biceps are just ridiculous... wrestler-like.  So when he moves it's just going to look laughable.

But the costume itself... without something to break between the pants and shirt, it looks like he's wearing a ballet costume.  It's just bad.

It looks far worse than Captain America.
It looks appreciably worse than Thor - which itself wasn't all that great.
It looks a thousand times worse than Iron Man.
It even looks worse than the fake CG Green Lantern.

Just awful design.  Awful decision.  For Superman, you stick with the icon.  You figure out a way to make it work.  If they could do it for Spider-Man (the first Spider-Man), there's no reason they couldn't do it for Superman.
Title: Re: Superman - Man of Steel
Post by: Matt_Fury on August 25, 2011, 01:55 AM
No red undies for Superman (http://www.darkhorizons.com/news/21577/-man-of-steel-loses-his-red-speedos)

I don't get it why studios don't understand that an all-blue unitard looks awful...

Insert obligatory blue-balls joke here.   :D
Title: Re: Superman - Man of Steel
Post by: JediJman on August 25, 2011, 09:01 AM
Thank you for the world according to Bill.  Its a tough costume to work with outside of animation and I think they did just fine.  Its vastly superior to the craptastic design they put poor Ryan Reynolds in, so I would call that improvement for DC.  I really like what Marvel has done with costumes on their big 3, so I agree there's no comparison there, but all three of those have better source material to work from.
Title: Re: Superman - Man of Steel
Post by: Diddly on August 25, 2011, 09:48 PM
I agree with Bill... I don't understand how DC keeps screwing this up.
Title: Re: Superman - Man of Steel
Post by: Jeff on August 25, 2011, 10:28 PM
Also, keep in mind that thanks to the "new 52" revamp that is going on in the DCU comic universe Superman's costume has changed.  They dropped the red trunks in the comics too.  Since that is the new "official" Superman look according to DCE, I'm not surprised that the movie Superman will match the current comic look.

You can argue, "but it's an iconic look" all you want - long-time faithful DC Comics readers have been screaming that at DC ever since the revamp was announced and the sad fact is, that "iconic" look is dead along with that version of Superman.  Maybe he'll be back in a few years once all this "emo, brooding, Superman for today" stuff ends, but for now - no red trunks in the comics means no red truinks in the movie.
Title: Re: Superman - Man of Steel
Post by: Matt_Fury on August 25, 2011, 11:40 PM
The one solid color just looks odd...perhaps because I'm just used to the original version, but I can't think of any other super hero that wears one solid color unless it's black.
Title: Re: Superman - Man of Steel
Post by: efranks on August 26, 2011, 12:23 AM
The one solid color just looks odd...perhaps because I'm just used to the original version, but I can't think of any other super hero that wears one solid color unless it's black.

In the same vein as the new Superman outfit, not counting boots, chest symbols and capes, how about The Flash, Captain Marvel, Quicksilver (some versions), Daredevil, Fantastic Four, Emma Frost (if you can call lingerie a costume).  I'm sure there are some more.

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Title: Re: Superman - Man of Steel
Post by: Matt_Fury on August 26, 2011, 12:38 AM
Wasn't Capt Marvel's costume black?

I also didn't think Daredevil's costume was a unitard/bodysuit...totally forgot about the FF, but I never read their comic....barely have any crossovers with them except for Secret Wars.

Did I just date myself?   :)
Title: Re: Superman - Man of Steel
Post by: BillCable on August 26, 2011, 07:41 AM
In the same vein as the new Superman outfit, not counting boots, chest symbols and capes, how about The Flash, Captain Marvel, Quicksilver (some versions), Daredevil, Fantastic Four, Emma Frost (if you can call lingerie a costume).  I'm sure there are some more.
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FF didn't look bad, but they didn't look great, either.  They had a two-tone thing going...

(http://www.celebritysentry.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/1299486619-22.jpg)

They had the added bonus of Jessica Alba in a skin-tight outfit, so who's going to complain?

Aflec's Daredevil was monochrome, but he had a belt and holster so it wasn't just a bodysuit.

Flash... at least the TV Flash had a belt.  The others really haven't had real-life iterations, so it's hard to compare.
Title: Re: Superman - Man of Steel
Post by: DSJ™ on July 22, 2012, 12:12 PM
 Man Of Steel Trailer (http://movies.uk.msn.com/exclusives/video.aspx?videoid=3522edb4-bf76-47b8-978f-ea62edeb4e07&src=v5:share:facebook:&from=mpl_en-us)
Title: Re: Superman - Man of Steel
Post by: Matt_Fury on July 22, 2012, 12:21 PM
They didn't show any previews before TDKR in IMAX where I saw it, thanks for posting.

At first I thought it was a preview for deadliest catch!
Title: Re: Superman - Man of Steel
Post by: DSJ™ on July 22, 2012, 12:24 PM
ROTFLMAO!  Pretty close, now I know why the face fur.  Couple more on thee ol' search.

 Man of Steel - Teaser Trailer with Russell Crowe (HD) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zld8i2mRxb0&feature=player_embedded#!)

 Man of Steel - Teaser Trailer with Kevin Costner (HD) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpvOT6HJCmg&feature=player_embedded)
Title: Re: Superman - Man of Steel
Post by: Brian on July 24, 2012, 09:18 PM
I saw that the SDCC stuff was leaked online, and that looked pretty great.  I know this was just supposed to be a "teaser" since the movie is almost a year away, but if they would have released this SDCC footage as a trailer, I think they really would have gotten people talking.  Oh well, I imagine we'll see something more attached to the Hobbit in December or something.
Title: Re: Superman - Man of Steel
Post by: Scott on July 24, 2012, 11:38 PM
I wonder how many people would have known that he was Crab fishing before Deadliest Catch was on the air?
Title: Re: Superman - Man of Steel
Post by: Jayson on December 3, 2012, 03:37 PM
There is a new poster (http://www.comingsoon.net/imageGallery/Man_of_Steel/large/hr_Man_of_Steel_4.jpg) for Man of Steel. Boo.  :(
Title: Re: Superman - Man of Steel
Post by: efranks on December 3, 2012, 03:48 PM
Is today Unofficial ****** Movie Poster Day?

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Title: Re: Superman - Man of Steel
Post by: P-Siddy on December 3, 2012, 04:47 PM
That looks so amateurish...
Title: Re: Superman - Man of Steel
Post by: BillCable on December 3, 2012, 06:47 PM
Apparently it's a screen grab from SDCC footage.  Very amateur.  And stupid.  Is anyone intrigued by an image of Superman in cuffs?
Title: Re: Superman - Man of Steel
Post by: JediJman on December 3, 2012, 10:30 PM
Is today Unofficial ****** Movie Poster Day?

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LMAO!  Nice.
Title: Re: Superman - Man of Steel
Post by: Master_Phruby on December 4, 2012, 09:23 AM
Couldn't they have found a less blurry image?
Title: Re: Superman - Man of Steel
Post by: Scott on December 11, 2012, 01:02 PM
New Trailer (http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1698696/man-of-steel-trailer.jhtml)
Title: Re: Superman - Man of Steel
Post by: Brian on December 11, 2012, 02:20 PM
Yeah, looks pretty cool, definitely looking forward to it.  I am interested to see if this is the springboard (as rumored) towards the Justice League movie as well.  I know some don't want to see DC "copy" Marvel's approach (and maybe that is just the WB), but overall it worked and personally I want to have a movie world where I can see Batman and Superman (not to mention the other heroes) team up/hang out :).  Anyways, trailer looks pretty sweet.
Title: Re: Superman - Man of Steel
Post by: JediJman on December 11, 2012, 10:52 PM
I'm not sure what to think of this.  Looks like a lot of action towards the end, but an awful lot of brooding and bad feelings to kick things off (and they don't seem to get much better).  This feels like the Superman version of "Dark Knight" where the writer just makes the world ugly and seedy and the hero has complex and conflicting morals, so that even when the hero saves the day everyone still feels like crap.  I feel like that's been done so many times already and its kind of depressing at this point.  Definitely maps to what I hear about the new 52 books and probably more interesting than campier early versions of Supes, but I can't help but feel like we've been there, done that. 

As for copying Marvel, that was always the big difference for me between the two universes:  DC Heroes were mostly in the limelight, loved by their adoring public, while Marvel heroes (even the Avengers) were often battling the public and government as much as they were super baddies.  Now we (shockingly) have the grand daddy of DC Superheroes seemingly in a world where he isn't appreciated, but persecuted instead. Again, just feels like kind of a sell out, copycat storyline from that trailer. 

I do hope they follow Marvel's gameplan of individual movies leading up to the Justice League though.  I don't care about modeling that format - it's a great way to get the background stuff out of the way, so the team movie can focus on a bigger story and more action.
Title: Re: Superman - Man of Steel
Post by: Scockery on December 12, 2012, 11:07 PM
The biggest flaw I saw is that Pa Kent would never suggest that Clark let anyone die. Come on.
Title: Re: Superman - Man of Steel
Post by: BillCable on December 13, 2012, 07:00 AM
I'm still skeptical.  I don't think Superman should ever be broody.  I think it's kind of lame to bring in Zod.  We shall see, I suppose...
Title: Re: Superman - Man of Steel
Post by: JediJman on December 13, 2012, 09:34 AM
I'm still skeptical.  I don't think Superman should ever be broody.  I think it's kind of lame to bring in Zod.  We shall see, I suppose...

Do you mean "brooding?"  Broody = Wishing or inclined to incubate eggs. 

I agree that they should not make him look brooding OR broody.   ;D
Title: Re: Superman - Man of Steel
Post by: Scockery on December 14, 2012, 09:33 AM
Or like Adrian Brody.
Title: Re: Superman - Man of Steel
Post by: BillCable on January 24, 2013, 07:10 AM
SPOILER:

Jimmy Olsen is now a girl. (http://www.darkhorizons.com/news/26008/-man-of-steel-rating-character-changes)

I'm wondering if they wanted someone to compete with Lois for Superman's affections...
Title: Re: Superman - Man of Steel
Post by: JediJman on January 24, 2013, 09:26 AM
SPOILER:

Jimmy Olsen is now a girl. (http://www.darkhorizons.com/news/26008/-man-of-steel-rating-character-changes)

I'm wondering if they wanted someone to compete with Lois for Superman's affections...

That's an interesting twist.  Funny how Perry White is now Black as well.
Title: Re: Superman - Man of Steel
Post by: Master_Phruby on January 24, 2013, 09:33 AM
It would have been better if they got Berry White to play Perry White.

(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-Foh_dHeu618/T4CrR5wu_gI/AAAAAAAABFo/WQ6B6dJb34A/s1600/bc+-+Barry-White.jpg)
Title: Re: Superman - Man of Steel
Post by: BillCable on January 24, 2013, 11:08 AM
That's an interesting twist.  Funny how Perry White is now Black as well.

I just can't imagine Lawrence Fishburne playing high-strung.
Title: Re: Superman - Man of Steel
Post by: JediJman on January 24, 2013, 04:46 PM
That's an interesting twist.  Funny how Perry White is now Black as well.

I just can't imagine Lawrence Fishburne playing high-strung.

Yeah, but this is bizzaro world Superman.  Supes is taken into custody versus being a golden boy patriot, Perry's a super mellow boss, Jimmy's a chick.  They're just going opposite on everything, so I guess in that sense it makes sense.

I watched Green Lantern a few nights ago and while is was embarrassingly predictible ("watch out for gravitational effects, Hal", "Sure Sinestro, we'll make you a yellow ring"), I still thought it was good popcorn flick.  I'd love to see Reynolds back with a new cast of Justice Leaguers, though I think their forthcoming approach to a darker, depressed Superman is a big mistake. DC has always been about old school well respected happy do-gooders saving the world.  The brooding "even when you win you really lose" storylines belong to the Dark Knight and X-Men IMO.
Title: Re: Superman - Man of Steel
Post by: efranks on January 27, 2013, 02:53 AM
That's an interesting twist.  Funny how Perry White is now Black as well.

I just can't imagine Lawrence Fishburne playing high-strung.

I used to be a big fan of his, but ever since his stint on CSI, I'm not looking forward to seeing him in anything anymore.  He was creepy enough in Predators but, eh.

Don't really care with what they do with Jimmy/Jenny Olsen...why not cast the role for a woman?

I'm almost not looking forward to this movie beause it's just another origin film, it's looking like they went all dark and gritty and....I don't know, I just don't care.

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Title: Re: Superman - Man of Steel
Post by: Scockery on January 27, 2013, 12:22 PM
It would have been better if they got Berry White to play Perry White.

Sadly, Hollywood has not developed the ability to raise the dead. Otherwise, we could also have Yul Brynner as Lex Luthor.
Title: Re: Superman - Man of Steel
Post by: Master_Phruby on January 27, 2013, 09:29 PM
It would have been better if they got Berry White to play Perry White.

Sadly, Hollywood has not developed the ability to raise the dead. Otherwise, we could also have Yul Brynner as Lex Luthor.

Well they did use Brandon Lee in the Crow after he was dead. He died half way thru filming so they digitized his likness on another actor to finish the movie.
Title: Re: Superman - Man of Steel
Post by: Brian on April 16, 2013, 08:50 PM
New (3 minute!) trailer is now up:

http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/Wolvie09/news/?a=77722 (http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/Wolvie09/news/?a=77722)
Title: Re: Superman - Man of Steel
Post by: Nicklab on April 17, 2013, 05:33 AM
There's also a new TV spot that started airing.  And I think it's going to make people think there's a problem with their televisions:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zaGkHpiLPt4
Title: Re: Superman - Man of Steel
Post by: Master_Phruby on April 17, 2013, 09:19 AM
New (3 minute!) trailer is now up:

http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/Wolvie09/news/?a=77722 (http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/Wolvie09/news/?a=77722)

Why is everyone wearing Stillsuits? When did Krypton become Dune?
Title: Re: Superman - Man of Steel
Post by: BillCable on April 17, 2013, 05:23 PM
Can somebody explain something to me?  To get big muscles, you need to exercise - break down muscle tissue so it heals back larger and stronger.  So why wouldn't a Kryptonian, for whom lifting even the heaviest objects is trivial, be an out-of-shape slob?  What kind of exercise regimen is Kal-El engage in to get buff like that?  A thousand reps bench pressing train cars?  It makes no sense!!
Title: Re: Superman - Man of Steel
Post by: Scockery on April 18, 2013, 12:15 PM
But person from a red sun solar systen gaining super powers from a yellow sun does?

Mixed feeling about seeing another film that has any alien invasion angle, but I'll go see OBLIVION, I mean Superman: Man of Steel.
Title: Re: Superman - Man of Steel
Post by: Hemish on April 19, 2013, 04:46 AM
Did you not see The Incredibles???
He got in shape by lifting train cars :)
Title: Re: Superman - Man of Steel
Post by: BillCable on April 19, 2013, 08:07 AM
Seems like train cars wouldn't be too tough for Superman.  He'd need battleships.
Title: Re: Superman - Man of Steel
Post by: Nicklab on April 19, 2013, 09:41 PM
Why do you think some of the scenes are in a shipyard?
Title: Re: Superman - Man of Steel
Post by: Jeff on May 22, 2013, 03:06 PM
Loving the new Zod trailer that came out.  Yeah, the "hero, surrender yourself or your friends will pay" trope is kind of played out for superhero (and boy wizard) movies, but it still looks so good.  This movie is either going to be AWESOME or an emo-y train wreck.  I'm really, really hoping for AWESOME.

(but after seeing what we ultimately got for Green Lantern, train wreck is still a distinct possibility for DC movies, Nolan-Bat movies aside :P)
Title: Re: Superman - Man of Steel
Post by: Brian on May 23, 2013, 08:54 PM
I loved that new trailer as well (and the previous ones), and I'm really getting psyched for this movie.  I'm trying to keep my expectations in check, but so far it looks like it could really be amazing.  Hopefully the kick off to the movie DCU as well :).
Title: Re: Superman - Man of Steel
Post by: DSJ™ on June 6, 2013, 01:20 PM
Man of Steel - Official Nokia Exclusive Trailer [HD] (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dwYatpwrs8s&feature=share)
Title: Re: Superman - Man of Steel
Post by: efranks on June 6, 2013, 03:51 PM
I've been pretty indifferent for this movie until just recently and now I'm starting to get excited.

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Title: Re: Superman - Man of Steel
Post by: JediJman on June 6, 2013, 06:17 PM
Man of Steel - Official Nokia Exclusive Trailer [HD] (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dwYatpwrs8s&feature=share)

Why didn't they lead with that trailer!?  This movie looks great now, after months of feeling like it would be a crapfest.  Lousy marketing effort, but from what I just watched this is sounding a whole lot more worth seeing.
Title: Re: Superman - Man of Steel
Post by: P-Siddy on June 6, 2013, 06:29 PM
Yeah, this trailer looked sweet.  I'm curious to see Michael Shannon in this after seeing him live on Broadway.
Title: Re: Superman - Man of Steel
Post by: Jayson on June 6, 2013, 07:47 PM
It looks fantastic
Title: Re: Superman - Man of Steel
Post by: McMetal on June 6, 2013, 08:32 PM
Are Non and Ursa in it too?

That's a serious question!
Title: Re: Superman - Man of Steel
Post by: Scockery on June 6, 2013, 11:29 PM
Are Non and Ursa in it too?

That's a serious question!

Faora, whom Ursa was more or less based on, is in the film.
Title: Re: Superman - Man of Steel
Post by: BillCable on June 12, 2013, 08:44 AM
I'm beginning to think I should rein in my expectations a bit.  Reviews are coming in more mixed than I anticipated.  Still mostly positive, certainly.  But more than a few are saying it leans towards empty spectacle, soullessness and ineffective emotional manipulation. 

Already have the tickets pre-ordered for Saturday, so still hoping for the best!
Title: Re: Superman - Man of Steel
Post by: Brian on June 12, 2013, 10:22 AM
I'm still pretty excited, maybe even more so than I was going into Iron Man 3.  The reviews seem to be pretty positive (particularly from "nerd" sites like IGN, etc. that I visit often), although the one thing I have seen come up the most that Superman (the actual character) is very serious, all the time.  We'll see, going this weekend!
Title: Re: Superman - Man of Steel
Post by: efranks on June 14, 2013, 02:17 AM
Hot. Mess. (http://imperialholocron.com/man-of-steel/) That is all.

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Title: Re: Superman - Man of Steel
Post by: McMetal on June 14, 2013, 09:55 AM
Hot. Mess. (http://imperialholocron.com/man-of-steel/) That is all.

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THAT'S the chick from Pandorum?!?! Daaaaaamn.

Sounds about like what I expected. I'll never understand what is so hard about coming up with a fresh storyline and script.

Title: Re: Superman - Man of Steel
Post by: evenflow on June 14, 2013, 10:29 AM
Not sounding great. Any after credit scenes?
Title: Re: Superman - Man of Steel
Post by: Master_Phruby on June 14, 2013, 12:01 PM
I hear Superman has Zod follow him to his fortress of solitude and preforms a light trick that sucks Zod's super powers out of him turning him mortal.
Title: Re: Superman - Man of Steel
Post by: JediJman on June 14, 2013, 12:18 PM
I hear Superman has Zod follow him to his fortress of solitude and preforms a light trick that sucks Zod's super powers out of him turning him mortal.

LOL! 
Title: Re: Superman - Man of Steel
Post by: MistaBinks on June 14, 2013, 01:18 PM
Very mild spoilers:

The good

-To me, this movie was Superman, Superman II, Smallville, and Star Trek II The Wrath of Kahn all rolled into one.
-The actors are very good
-The story is fresh
-For the most part, the CG is very good. Almost makes you wish the prequels came a decade later

The bad

-Snyder uses digital stunt doubles - a lot. I hate that. It doesn't blend in particularly well.
-Not necessarily MOS' fault but we see yet another big city destroyed and a huge alien ship crash into skyscrapers. After Transformers 3 and The Avengers, among others, it's a bit tired.

For me, MOS was very good. Going in, because of the hype on twitter, I was expecting a masterpiece. Definitely worth seeing with an audience in a theater.
Title: Re: Superman - Man of Steel
Post by: DSJ™ on June 15, 2013, 01:50 AM
Saw MOS today & all I can say is EPIC!   8)

Yes this is a reboot, not the Christopher Reeves or the Brandon Routh nod to Reeves. If I sit thru a movie that is bad, I will look at my watch like those last 3 SW flicks & Indiana Nuke the Fridge "cough-cough". MOS is fricken' awesome! I did see it in 3D & the CGI fighting scenes looked off. As for the suit, never bothered me & Cavill, perfect! Nice glasses Clark, no one will still notice.... lmao...  :D
I will see it again & own it to watch again & again!

Spoliers:  Anyone else notice the Easter eggs in MOS? LexCorp logo on a couple tanker trucks, Wayne Enterprises logo on the satellite, 2 signs on buildings, Blaze Comics & Utopia Casino, Ezra’s Mail Depot store & Sullivan’s Truck & Tractor Repair sign. Smallville?  Chloe Sullivan?

B+
Title: Re: Superman - Man of Steel
Post by: evenflow on June 15, 2013, 02:41 AM
Just got home from the movie and I really enjoyed it. I've never been a Superman guy, always found him boring, too perfect, lacking a flaw.  I think they gave him a little depth this time.
Title: Re: Superman - Man of Steel
Post by: Scott on June 17, 2013, 12:33 AM
We went today and like IM3 my boys loved it, unlike IM3 I liked it too! My biggest gripe was too many convenient plot points (Lois on the Plane at the end)  Loved the Krypton stuff, loved Zod,loved the fight scenes, but after a while the fights got old

I did think it on par with Barman Begins...let's see where this goes!
Title: Re: Superman - Man of Steel
Post by: Jayson on June 17, 2013, 01:32 AM
Just got back... and I absolutely loved it. Unlike IM3 or ST:ID, I will see it again in theaters and will run to get it on blu-ray.
Title: Re: Superman - Man of Steel
Post by: BillCable on June 17, 2013, 08:20 AM
I liked it quite a bit more than I expected after the reviews I read.  I agree that the fighting at the end was just too much.  What did we get out of 5 more shots of super-beings plowing through buildings?  Me - I got bored.  Gotta imagine the casualties numbered in the millions, which is pretty jarring.  My wife said she wanted more focus on Superman saving people, and I agree with that perspective.

I didn't like it as much as IM3, but it was solid.  It was certainly better than the first and third Batmans.
Title: Re: Superman - Man of Steel
Post by: Qui-Gon Jim on June 17, 2013, 11:47 AM
Anyone that complains about the plot contrivances in Star Trek must admit to more egregious contrivances in this film.  Lois Lane actually had me throwing my hands up more than once near the end of this picture.

I like Cavill as Supes.  I REALLY liked the Krypton stuff, especially Crowe.  I liked that they didn't try to fall over themselves explaining alien tech.  It is alien tech.  That is enough.  I loved the fatherhood stuff with both of Superman's fathers (great for father's day weekend).  Liked Costner a lot.  I liked Faora, and the way they showed her fighting.  Zod was pretty good.

I have a huge problem with the way they handled Kryptonian superpowers.  The powers come from the radiation of the sun.  Jor-El explicitly stated this.  I can also buy the effects of the Kryptonian atmosphere vs. Earth's, but they just kept playing fast and loose with what affects powers, what doesn't etc. 

Why were they so afraid of saying "Smallville" "Metropolis" or worst of all, "Superman" (they didn't even call the picture Superman for crissakes)?  This isn't Batman.  A dollup of cheese is acceptable with Superman.  I wouldn't be surprised if there was discussion about never showing Supes in his costume in this film at some point in development.

As others have said, the fighting was too much.  Too long, too fake.  We've seen mass destruction done over and over, so it wasn't special.  Also, I feel like Supes would draw them away to avoid casualties.  The way buildings were falling was just... over the top and not in a good way.

MAJOR SPOILERS:
Finally, I hated the way they ended the conflict between Zod and Supes.  Superman would not have killed Zod.  Jor-El would not approve.  Jonathan would not approve.  Plus, how could he have done it since Zod is just as invulnerable as Superman is?  Just didn't make logical sense and it did not at all ring true with the nature of the character.

I think that if (when) they make a sequel, that they have the right cast, and Clark is in place where he should be at the Planet, so there is potential.  I just hope they come up with a creative way to put Superman in peril which is the core challenge with any Superman story. 

Overall, I merely liked this film.  I'd give it a 6.6 or 7 of 10. 
Title: Re: Superman - Man of Steel
Post by: BillCable on June 17, 2013, 12:38 PM
Spoilers:

I disagree on the killing.  Supes killed Zod and his cohorts in the Reeve SM2.  And in that one they weren't any imminent threat to any innocents.  With Zod threatening to fry a family right in front of him, I think it's perfectly in character that Supes would kill him.  Whether he could or not is another thing entirely, but I think that he would is in-character.

I agree on Lois being on the plane.  Seems like she, as a civilian, could have just told the scientist "This goes here - good luck!"

I was more annoyed by Zod's out-of-character actions than anything else.  If his only purpose is to protect Kryptonians, then when he was piloting the ship with Supes threatening to destroy it, the in-character response would be "OK OK!  I'll stop shooting at the plane!  Let me land this thing and we'll talk!"  You don't endanger the genesis machine in the hopes that an unfamiliar enemy will respond to your pleas as you hope.  That's an instance where he could have directly impacted the safety of his species.

When you look at all what Zod did after hearing his monologue at the end about protecting Krypton, you gotta conclude he made some very bad decisions... decisions that someone bred specifically to make good decisions would not have made.
Title: Re: Superman - Man of Steel
Post by: DSJ™ on June 17, 2013, 01:47 PM
Mentioned long ago... it was a WFT did Jonathan say?

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Clark: "What was I supposed to do let them die?"

Jonathan: "...Maybe"

He made his choice!

Remember, it's a reboot... not really the Sup's we grew up with.
Title: Re: Superman - Man of Steel
Post by: Qui-Gon Jim on June 17, 2013, 03:06 PM


Remember, it's a reboot... not really the Sup's we grew up with.

This is a horse<bleep> cop out excuse.  This is not tied to the movies we saw when we were young, and I'm OK with that.  BUT they are tied to decades of Superman lore since the movie is called Supe... oh wait...

I think I am more bothered that he was ABLE to do it rather than him doing it.

Also, which blockbuster genre film tidies things up with a "singularity"?  Hint: it isn't Star Trek.
Title: Re: Superman - Man of Steel
Post by: Jayson on June 17, 2013, 03:13 PM


Remember, it's a reboot... not really the Sup's we grew up with.

This is a horse<bleep> cop out excuse.  This is not tied to the movies we saw when we were young, and I'm OK with that.  BUT they are tied to decades of Superman lore since the movie is called Supe... oh wait...

I think I am more bothered that he was ABLE to do it rather than him doing it.

Also, which blockbuster genre film tidies things up with a "singularity"?  Hint: it isn't Star Trek.

I would say that since Kal-El wasn't born of genetic engineering and has the codex of all of Kryptonians I say he could kill him.
Title: Re: Superman - Man of Steel
Post by: JediJman on June 17, 2013, 04:38 PM
Haven't seen it yet, but intrigured to from all the posts.  I have to say on the surface, I agree with QGJ is saying about Superman's ending.  Seems like he would have tried to find another way.  Great article on the whole issue right here from EW (http://popwatch.ew.com/2013/06/15/man-of-steel-superman-zod-death/).
Title: Re: Superman - Man of Steel
Post by: Jayson on June 17, 2013, 05:07 PM
The author of that must not have seen Superman 2. In that film, Superman crushes a Zod's hand (who is now "mortal" at this point) and throws him against the wall and to his eventual death in the FoS - all while smiling and wisecracking. Zod and Co. in Superman 2 no longer posed an imminent threat. Did we think any less of Superman?

I'd say that in MOS, Superman was far more cognizant of his actions and their ramifications. What was Kal-El's recourse exactly?

Take the superhero aspect out of it. A psychopath is mowing down innocent civilians in the street. Law enforcement/military is forced to neutralize the threat with extreme prejudice to prevent further loss of life. Do we deem them as murderers?

Superman did what needed to be done.
Title: Re: Superman - Man of Steel
Post by: Brian on June 17, 2013, 09:02 PM
Went yesterday and I really enjoyed it as well.  I really enjoyed it pretty much from beginning to end, and hope that it springboards to a united DCU ala the Marvel movie world.  I have to admit during the big Metropolis battle scenes thinking "how cool would it be if Batman came flying in in the batwing and started firing on that thing too".  The fact that this could open the door to that type of thing eventually is exciting.  I can see the point about all the building smashing and stuff, it almost did get overdone at some point, but overall it was pretty cool.  You could definitely tell it was a bit of a reaction to Superman Returns where everyone was saying "HIT SOMETHING!!!", because there was plenty of it this time around.  Overall, I really liked the movie though - and the cast in general.  I think I enjoyed this more than Iron Man 3 even, and this from someone who is more of a Marvel guy overall.  Our daughter loved it too, although one of her first comments coming out of the theater was "I was hoping Supergirl would show up" :).  I do hope that this success opens the door to at least a Wonder Woman movie being made, because I know my daughter is just aching to see a female superhero movie - or at least appearances by Supergirl, Batgirl, WW, She Hulk, new Invisible Woman, etc.  Oh, and she wants a Teen Titans movie :).  Anyways, Man of Steel gets a thumbs up from me.

On the more spoilery side...


I read an interesting blog from Mark Waid (big comic writer and Supes fan, and author of Birthright which a lot of Man of Steel was pulled from), and he comments about all the collateral damage, in addition to the whole Zod thing at the end.  It is an interesting read here:

http://thrillbent.com/blog/man-of-steel-since-you-asked/ (http://thrillbent.com/blog/man-of-steel-since-you-asked/)

I admit to thinking about that a little bit too, and I didn't read this blog entry until after I saw the movie.  I kept thinking about how Superman didn't even seem to be avoiding all the building smashing and how many people were probably dying in those buildings.  But, at the same time, I can see how this approach is a little more "realistic", since if something like this was actually happening - unfortunately, people were going to die.  Anyways, it is a good read either way.
Title: Re: Superman - Man of Steel
Post by: JediJman on June 18, 2013, 10:22 AM
The author of that must not have seen Superman 2. In that film, Superman crushes a Zod's hand (who is now "mortal" at this point) and throws him against the wall and to his eventual death in the FoS - all while smiling and wisecracking. Zod and Co. in Superman 2 no longer posed an imminent threat. Did we think any less of Superman?

That's a great point, though to be fair the audience doesn't really "see" the death.  I never really thought of Zod and company as falling down a deep well to splatter on the frozen ice below - maybe the fortress cyrogenically freezes them or something?  I guess the difference for me is not knowing and not seeing it versus watching Supes snap someone's neck. 

I'd also absolutely agree with having to kill someone to save innocent lives.  I haven't seen it yet, but given the situation as I've read it the script put him in a position where he was justified in killing.  However, that's really in direct contrast to his boy scout nature depicted in decades of comics, TV, and movies.  It was clearly done for shock value, which is always going to make some people happy and some people not. 

Someone did mention that the reaction moments after killing Zod was light hearted, which does feel like a missed opportunity to show some remorse for the loss of life.  I think this is the kind of thing that directors forget these days - taking 60 seconds to show some human reaction and emotion.  One of my favorite scenes in Star Wars is when Luke is yearning to live his own life and sulks off to watch the horizon as the twin suns are setting.  No words, no crazy CGI - just that honest sense of heart ache that everyone in the audience can relate to.  It's too bad that scenes like that have lost their place in the big budget action world.
Title: Re: Superman - Man of Steel
Post by: Jayson on June 18, 2013, 10:56 AM
Someone did mention that the reaction moments after killing Zod was light hearted, which does feel like a missed opportunity to show some remorse for the loss of life.  I think this is the kind of thing that directors forget these days - taking 60 seconds to show some human reaction and emotion.  One of my favorite scenes in Star Wars is when Luke is yearning to live his own life and sulks off to watch the horizon as the twin suns are setting.  No words, no crazy CGI - just that honest sense of heart ache that everyone in the audience can relate to.  It's too bad that scenes like that have lost their place in the big budget action world.

In the MoS, Superman is clearly distraught after he kills Zod... screaming "No" from his knees... then being physically consoled by Lois. They don't linger on it much but it is there.
Title: Re: Superman - Man of Steel
Post by: Qui-Gon Jim on June 18, 2013, 12:35 PM
I think that if they had shown Superman trying in vain to save lives while slowly but surely losing the fight to Zod's men, then his killing of Zod would have been more powerful.  When we see Superman happily fighting in the streets of his hometown destroying buildings, it doesn't show any part of his character that "cares" for humanity.  I kept waiting for Clark to lead the fight out of the town and into the fields, but stuff don't get blow'd up as good in a field, I guess.

If handled better, then Superman having to kill, and worse, kill his last "countryman" it could have led to some interesting stuff for the sequel.  With this, the fallout was barely dealt with.
Title: Re: Superman - Man of Steel
Post by: Jayson on June 18, 2013, 01:25 PM
If handled better, then Superman having to kill, and worse, kill his last "countryman" it could have led to some interesting stuff for the sequel.  With this, the fallout was barely dealt with.

Or did he? ;) remember the capsules on the sentry ship? One crew member was dead inside the other capsule was open and empty.... Could there be another Kryptonian among us?
Title: Re: Superman - Man of Steel
Post by: JediJman on June 18, 2013, 01:25 PM
In the MoS, Superman is clearly distraught after he kills Zod... screaming "No" from his knees.

In that case, I really have no problem with it.  Guess I need to actually go see the movie!
Title: Re: Superman - Man of Steel
Post by: BillCable on June 18, 2013, 01:35 PM
Or did he? ;) remember the capsules on the sentry ship? One crew member was dead inside the other capsule was open and empty.... Could there be another Kryptonian among us?

Plus everyone who was on board the ship is back in the Phantom Zone.
Title: Re: Superman - Man of Steel
Post by: Diddly on June 19, 2013, 05:53 AM
Finally got around to seeing this yesterday after work, and I liked it for the most part. I'd say it was just as good as Iron Man 3 (which I liked), although while I would say that IM3 was more exciting/entertaining, MoS was a better overall movie.

Things I liked:
- Casting was AWESOME. Specifically Costner and Crowe. They both OWNED their respective roles. Cavill did fine as Supes and Amy Adams was good too.
- I'm not really a big Superman fan but they did a great job with Krypton, making it seem like a gigantic world with its own goings on rather than just a bunch of ice crystals. In fact, I'd say they did so well of a job that I wouldn't mind a whole movie set there.
- Smallville/growing up scenes were well done too. LOVED the parts where Supes wants to beat the snot out of the bullies but refrains. Really made the part where he finally unleashes on Zod that much powerful.
- The score was great in some parts, just there in others though
- I didn't mind the (spoiler) of (spoiler) at the end

Things I didn't like:
- The fighting/action, while there was a lot, blended together after a while, and it was hard to tell what exactly was going on at certain points
- Ma Kent was pretty useless
- I feel like 10-20 minutes could have easily been trimmed

Overall, sooooooooooooo much better than Superman Returns, but a different beast from the Reeve movies (even though I've only seen the first).
Title: Re: Superman - Man of Steel
Post by: BillCable on June 19, 2013, 10:22 AM
I got a laugh from this:

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/q71/s720x720/10543_500721126665062_749282856_n.jpg)
Title: Re: Superman - Man of Steel
Post by: Scockery on July 4, 2013, 06:46 PM
I finally saw it  I get tired of origin movies, but most of the origin parts were the good parts and the rest was by the numbers.

I found it odd was that Zod's crew instantly know what to do with super powers (except super senses), lunging themselves at A-10's and hurling train cars.

Lois Lane is full of plot conveniences, especially her arriving at the museum or where ever Supes and Zod have their last tussle. She's also the only person Superman saves in the midst all the Metropolis devastation is going on (we assume he assisted with saving afterwards).

At the end, how could the military not figure out he's Clark Kent, if Lane did it in under a week?

There's the big stupid. The biggest of all. We on Earth, with our measely tech, can detect Earth-like worlds. But Zod and his space ship couldn't? They found colonies in ruins, but no potential planets to terraform with their thinga-ma-bob? REALLY? More likely they'd have made New Krypton first and searched for Kal-El later.  If they just wanted Kal-el, then the movie wouldn't have the  Earth/humanity in danger scenario. Stakes always have to be huge  ::) .

And going back to save the dog. ZACK SNYDER, YOU DID THAT ALREADY IN DAWN OF THE DEAD! It was stupid then and it was stupid here.
Title: Re: Superman - Man of Steel
Post by: name on July 8, 2013, 11:33 AM
Zod:  "This can only end one way. Either you die, or....wait...two ways...this can only end two ways!  Ether you die, or I will."
Title: Re: Superman - Man of Steel
Post by: Nicklab on July 8, 2013, 02:16 PM
I saw the movie.  Generally, I liked it.  And that's due in large part to the fact that it was a complete departure from the Donner films, which I really think needed to happen in order for the Superman character to be able to grow.  Where Superman Returns failed (for me) is that it was a love-letter to the Donner films.  I'm glad for the re-boot.

Were there plot holes?  Absolutely.  I think they tried to write around them somewhat, especially with the atmosphere issues for the Kryptonians.  But that doesn't totally explain away Faora and the other Kryptonian's fighting abilities and powers in the battle in Kansas.

What I'm most shocked about?  All of the hate for the movie from a lot of the comic community.  From my own standpoint, I don't have a vested interest in maintaining this image of Superman like a complete boy scout.  Apparently that's a huge bone of contention for a lot of hardcore Superman fans.  I think what Zack Snyder and Christopher Nolan were attempting to achieve was a look at how Superman might really have to conduct his life in this modern world.  And a big part of that includes how the real world would react to having a super-powered alien with almost God-like abilities living among them.  I think having Zod and the Kryptonians as the antagonists was a good way to proceed if the ultimate goal is to build this franchise and a universe where Superman isn't all-powerful.

Title: Re: Superman - Man of Steel
Post by: name on July 8, 2013, 04:25 PM
I was disappointed at the lack of phone booth wardrobe changes.
Title: Re: Superman - Man of Steel
Post by: Scockery on July 16, 2013, 11:33 PM
Man of Steel: How It Should Have Ended (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CjSNLmb0Ndw)

Slight problem with that one.

The scout ship's signal meant that Zod would go there immediately after arriving.
Title: Re: Superman - Man of Steel
Post by: Symposium on July 19, 2013, 10:14 AM
I was disappointed at the lack of phone booth wardrobe changes.

Probably due to the lack of phone booths. He just gets changed behind a towel at wifi hotspots now  :P
Title: Re: Superman - Man of Steel
Post by: Brian on October 14, 2013, 02:31 PM
Thought I'd post this here since it is supposed to be on the Man of Steel Blu Ray next month.  This was apparently shown at NYCC, and is now online as well.  A short by Zack Snyder and Bruce Timm covering the 75 year history of Superman in a couple minutes, I thought it was pretty cool:

http://insidemovies.ew.com/2013/10/14/superman-75-years-of-heroic-history-in-a-2-minute-animated-short-exclusive/ (http://insidemovies.ew.com/2013/10/14/superman-75-years-of-heroic-history-in-a-2-minute-animated-short-exclusive/)
Title: Re: Superman - Man of Steel
Post by: Scockery on October 14, 2013, 06:37 PM
"Here's 75 of what we ignored when we made MAN OF STEEL" - Snyder

That was a neat video, though.