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Title: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: Brian on March 29, 2011, 03:41 PM
The word is (http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/Wolvie09/news/?a=34056) that WB is again in the process of developing a Justice League movie, with the script currently in the works.  According to this interview (at the link), it sounds like both Flash and WW are in development as well (which we knew about Flash), but the JL movie may come first (following Batman 3 and Superman next year).  They also mention that they'll have to "reinvent" Batman following Nolan's third film in 2012 (but with Nolan still on as a producer).
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: JediJman on July 12, 2012, 10:55 AM
I'd be curious to know what DC Fans think about dropping all the existing stories and starting from scratch.  No do-overs or alternate universes or reboots...just decide that in December every issue will wrap and they will just start over with brand new stories in January.  Pick 15-20 books, give the characters origin stories and build from there with none of the 0 issue gimmicks or baggage from their recent mistakes.  Just a fresh start on EVERYTHING.  It seems to me that they have so screwed up that universe that just dumping everything would be the best move they could make right now. 

I honestly wouldn't mind that even from a Marvel perspective.  The stories have gotten out of hand with all these crossovers and mix-mashes.  Hey, let's put Captain America on the X-Men!  Give me a break.  There's no real character development - they tried having Hawkeye hook up with Spiderwoman, but they could only squeeze it into a few panels of a few issues, then totally forgot about it.  They keep killing off characters and bringing them back (Herculeus, Captain America, Thor - how many times has Thor "died" now?).  When I was growing up Thor got majorly wounded and had to wear armor and grow a beard to hide his wounds.  Give me a hundred of those, but don't give me dead-not dead-dead-not dead crap.  It takes away any risk or concern for the characters. 

Anyway, just an idea.  If you're going to muck with the history anyway, why not just start over and do it right.  I think you'd grab some new people and I'm sure a lot of fans would still want to tune in to see how their favorite characters develop from a new beginning.
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: Brian on July 12, 2012, 10:55 AM
I grew up more of a Marvel kid as well (and continue that way today), but I do read both universes these days.  Aside from Batman/Detective, I don't think I had a DC comic until I was an adult.  I can sort of see the point of the universe cohesiveness though, and although I hate to use the term again, but "grounded" quality of the MU does help a bit when translating to live action I think.  Batman works great, as he is more of that type of character too, but it might be difficult to see the others.  I also agree that WB/DC missed the boat with Green Arrow.  He is arguably much better known than Hawkeye (prior to the Avengers), but now most non-comic people are going to think he's a "rip off" of Hawkeye.

That said, even being more of a Marvel person, I'd like to see more DC stuff make it to the big screen as well.  I know they've already confirmed a "reboot" of Batman after the Nolan trilogy, and I guess that is expected.  I will say, for as amazing as the Nolan movies have been (and they are), if we do see a re-do of Batman again I wouldn't mind something that allows for things like Dick Grayson/Robin, Batgirl, and some of the other less-dark/grounded aspects of that universe.  My favorite interpretation of the Batman world has always been the Animated Series, and I'd like to see something similar to that tone for the movie universe if they are going to move away from the current darker take.
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: Jeff on August 9, 2012, 11:41 AM
Marvel guys get fanboy Joss Whedon.

DC guys get... Ben Affleck (http://movies.yahoo.com/blogs/movie-talk/ben-affleck-approached-direct-justice-league-234840949.html)? 
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: BillCable on August 9, 2012, 11:49 AM
He's a very good director.  But suggesting he direct and "star in" Justice League?  As Batman, maybe?  I gotta assume they'd use the guy doing the new Superman.  Who knows for GL.  Maybe he'd be Aquaman...

All his previous films were realistic... never anything in the realm of the fantastic.  It'd be tough to conclude he'd have the visual flair needed for a Justice League film.
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: efranks on August 9, 2012, 12:29 PM
Well, he could "star" in the movie without having to be a costumed superhero.  He could be the Phil Coulson of the DC Universe.

The thing with Affleck's movies, like Whedon, is that they're very character driven.  So while he may not have a history of directing flashy CGI movies, that doesn't mean he couldn't direct a really good film with interesting characters.  Whedon had Serenity under his belt, but he didn't have a track record of big, flashy CGI films until The Avengers either but there's not much doubt that he nailed that.  Whedon had directed his TV shows, which, in the case of Firefly, had some CGI, but the rest weren't huge budget affairs.

Affleck has been in a couple big budget Sci-Fi/Action movies so it's not like it's foreign to him...he's seen how it's done. 

   E...
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: Nicklab on August 9, 2012, 01:36 PM

DC guys get... Ben Affleck (http://movies.yahoo.com/blogs/movie-talk/ben-affleck-approached-direct-justice-league-234840949.html)? 

I read about this last night.  There were a couple of articles, and one said that after checking in with his representatives, Affleck has passed on directing a Justic League movie.  But he is apparently taking a meeting about an acting role in the movie.
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: Brian on August 9, 2012, 09:13 PM
Not sure about the Affleck stuff.  It sounds like one news outlet is saying he's meeting, and another says he's already passed.  I hear he's a decent director (I don't know if I've seen any of his directed movies), and I honestly don't mind him as an actor either.  He gets a lot of grief because of all the JLo stuff from years back, but he's not too bad otherwise (and like comic books).  That being said, he's not what I picture for JLA.  It just seems like he's a few years too old to start this stuff up now, particularly if DC wants to build a "universe" like Marvel has.  I know they keep saying they want to stay away from Marvel's model, but really, it has worked pretty well.  I would guess he would be fairly expensive, and older, to put in a franchise like this.  But, you never know.  If they cast him as Batman or something, I think the fanbase would go crazy.
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: EdSolo on August 10, 2012, 06:45 AM
I just have to ask, since no one has mentioned it.  Does anyone remember Daredevil?  I don't think Affleck and comic book movies mix too well.
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: BillCable on August 10, 2012, 08:51 AM
Coulda put Orson Welles in Daredevil and it still woulda been a turd.  It was just a sullen, mopey, unbalanced mess.
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: efranks on August 10, 2012, 04:06 PM
I liked Daredevil.

It wasn't any worse than Spider-Man 3 or X-Men 3.

   E...
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: BillCable on August 10, 2012, 04:19 PM
Seeing how I hated SM3 and thought X3 was by far the worst of the trilogy...   ;)
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: JediJman on August 11, 2012, 12:51 AM
I liked Daredevil.

It wasn't any worse than Spider-Man 3 or X-Men 3.

   E...

+1  It's not a movie I watch over and over, but I'm not a huge Daredevil fan either.  I thought it was true to the character for the most part & pretty entertaining. 
Of course, I was in my Jennifer Garner phase back then... :-*
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: Sprry75 on August 11, 2012, 07:00 AM
I liked Daredevil.

It wasn't any worse than Spider-Man 3 or X-Men 3.


They oughtta put that quote on the box for the 10 year anniversary Blu Ray release.
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: Jeff on December 3, 2012, 10:42 AM
Justice League gets it's villian (http://www.hitfix.com/motion-captured/justice-league-finds-a-villain-as-warner-keeps-aping-marvels-playbook)?  If it turns out to be true, it's no surprise since that's the same guy they chose to be the big bad for the JL comic relaunch with new 52.

The more I read about this JLA movie, the less excited I am.  All these other rumors flying around about trying to suddenly link the past movies together (GL/Nolan Bat-films/Man of Steel) and use JGL to reprise his TDKR role and be the new Batman?  I'm really not sure how it's going to play out...

And with Avengers 2 and Star Wars 7 in the theaters at the same time, does a sub-par, thrown-together Justice League movie really have a chance?   :-\
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: McMetal on December 3, 2012, 12:59 PM
Without even opening the link, I guessed it. Sad.

That article is an insightful piece...I agree with him 100% too. They have no idea what they're doing over there with their film franchises, they are going to fail on an epic scale if they keep down this road.
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: Mikey D on December 3, 2012, 01:34 PM
While it may seem like they'll be copying Marvel with their villain choice (at least to the common masses), to be fair, what other DC villian could unite DC superheroes at once?  Joker?  An all time great villian to be sure, but no where near the the threat to unite 7 heroes at once.  Luthor? Maybe, but not likely.  The only other I can think of is Doomsday, but I still consider him a Supes villian, even though he technically fought the JL in his first appearances (on the way to killing Supes).
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: JediJman on December 3, 2012, 01:48 PM
I think Darkseid makes sense as a League-level threat, but that's not their only option and it sure does look like an Avengers copycat.  They could go after a mystery villian (Lex?) who turns Superman against them with red Kryptonite.  How about a flick introducing multiple baddies, where the heroes lose some initial battles until they can band together?  What about Amazo - isn't that the guy who has all their powers at once?  Some bad-guy Kryptonians like the old Superman II would make for good sparring partners as well.  Aren't the lanterns a big part of the new 52?  Why not have the yellows, reds, or oranges attach? 

I'm pretty dissapointed at the choice, but still hoping they can pull it off.
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: P-Siddy on December 3, 2012, 01:51 PM
I'd like to see Black Manta (know it isn't happening).  I always thought he was cool... not so his counterpart Aquaman.
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: Mikey D on December 3, 2012, 01:55 PM
I'd like to see Black Manta (know it isn't happening).  I always thought he was cool... not so his counterpart Aquaman.

Aquaman's current Nu52 book is actually one of the best ones and made him "cool".  Say what you want about Geoff Johns, but he takes B & C list characters and makes them revelent (Flash, JSA, GL and now Aquaman).
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: BillCable on December 3, 2012, 01:55 PM
Brainiac would be an ideal villain for JL.  Gorilla Grodd would be pretty decent as well.  Bizarro could work as "too much for Superman to handle on his own."

The question WB needs to consider is "If you defeat Darkseid in the first movie - what could possibly pose a threat in the second?"
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: P-Siddy on December 3, 2012, 03:33 PM
I'd like to see Black Manta (know it isn't happening).  I always thought he was cool... not so his counterpart Aquaman.

Aquaman's current Nu52 book is actually one of the best ones and made him "cool".  Say what you want about Geoff Johns, but he takes B & C list characters and makes them revelent (Flash, JSA, GL and now Aquaman).

Thanks, Mikey.  I don't read the comics, but was going off the cartoons of my childhood.  I always loved the design of his costume.
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: Scockery on December 3, 2012, 07:08 PM
Lot of naysaying for a movie that's barely, or maybe not really in preproduction. I'd just as soon they use Darkseid rather than save him for a sequel that may not happen. Look at Superman Returns...there was stuff they were saving for a sequel that was never made.

There's no rule that a lead villain can't return for a sequel, either...though Avengers, aside, you'd get that impression.
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: Nicklab on December 3, 2012, 07:15 PM
DC & Warners really need more closely at how Marvel laid the groundwork leading up to Avengers.  That being the involvement of a Kevin Feige type exec / producer who knows the source material and will make the right decisions in the projects that eventually lead up to a team-up film like Justice League.
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: Scott on December 4, 2012, 12:48 AM
What about the ******* Legion of Doom...how hard is this?  That is what made Superfriends so great...each character had a guy they always fought and would be totally epic.  Plus,  how much sense does one bad guy against 5 or 6 good guys make?
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: McMetal on December 4, 2012, 09:53 AM
What about the ******* Legion of Doom...how hard is this?  That is what made Superfriends so great...each character had a guy they always fought and would be totally epic.  Plus,  how much sense does one bad guy against 5 or 6 good guys make?

THANK YOU... I have been screaming this all over the internets since yesterday.

Come on, that iconic image of their supersecret headquarters in the middle of that fetid swamp?!?! PURE GOLD!
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: JediJman on December 4, 2012, 11:37 AM
THANK YOU... I have been screaming this all over the internets since yesterday.

Which internets are you posting on?   ;)  Sorry, couldn't resist.
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: Nicklab on December 4, 2012, 04:34 PM
What about the ******* Legion of Doom...how hard is this?  That is what made Superfriends so great...each character had a guy they always fought and would be totally epic.  Plus,  how much sense does one bad guy against 5 or 6 good guys make?

QFT

Just look at the animated Super Friends series and how that progressed.  It started with single villains / crises and the original 5 Super Friends.  Then they expanded the ranks and started bringing in some more heroes. 

THEN enter the Legion of Doom, and that was one of the best runs that the show had.  That was called Challenge of the Super Friends IIRC.  There was a nice wide variety of vilains, and it worked well.

A few years later they went down the Darkseid / Apokolips road during the Super Powers era.  But there was a progression in the series that ultimately led to this.  If DC / Warner Bros try to force this, it's probably going to fall flat the way the Green Lantern movie did.
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: Brian on December 4, 2012, 08:57 PM
Agreed on the LoD, how cool would that be?  As cheesy as some of those cartoons can look these days, I loved the old Challenge of the Superfriends when I was a kid.  I really hope that DC/WB doesn't rush this just to keep up with Marvel.  Honestly, I've always been more of a Marvel guy, with my main exposure to DC as a kid being Batman comics and the Superfriends cartoon, but as an adult I have gotten into the DC stuff more as well.  I think, at least for the most part, the way Marvel has set up their movie universe is almost perfect.  The anticipation and building towards Avengers was great, and Avengers itself was a perfect payoff.  There isn't any reason that DC (and Warners) can't do the same with the JLA, and they even have access to their entire library of characters (unlike Marvel with the Spidey/X-Men/FF deals).  It seems like they saw how successful Avengers was, and now they are rushing to get to Justice League to keep up (and make money of course).

That isn't to say it still can't be a good movie though, even without the buildup.  Obviously, this is the way they are going about it, so I'm still going to hope for the best.  I was just reading an article the other day about this (when the Darkseid rumors hit) and they really need to put their best foot forward with this.  They are going to have a lot of competition in the summer of '15 (just Star Wars and Avengers alone), and if it bombs or gets buried that could really hurt the chances of any non-Batman characters/movies in the future.  I hope they get their stuff together.  Heck, Marvel has me excited for a Guardians of the Galaxy movie - a team I really didn't know about prior to a few years ago - and that's from someone who has been reading Marvel in various capacities since I was 5.
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: Brian on March 5, 2013, 09:01 PM
One of the latest batch of rumors out concerning the JLA movie is that Christopher Nolan is "in talks" to be a sort of godfather over not only JLA but other DC hero franchises as well.  Also rumors that Bale may return for either a JLA movie or a Batman/Superman movie, and that Zack Snyder may be involved in some way as well.  Sounds like WB is waiting to see how Man of Steel does before moving forward with anything.

Not sure what to make of this news.  It is just silly how difficult it is for Warners to get the whole DCU going.  They are so afraid to be "copying" Marvel that they just don't know how to go about it it seems.  Hopefully they'll get some things together soon.  As for Nolan/Bale, I'm not sure what to think of it.  Nolan is a brilliant film maker, and I loved his Batman trilogy, but at the same time I don't know if JLA needs to be gritty/grounded/whatever  you want to call it to live in that same world.  He'd likely be producing at most, so that doesn't necessarily mean they would go that direction....but I think JLA should be similar in tone to Avengers, less gritty, more fun.  Also like Bale as Bruce/Batman, but would be a little surprised if he'd return.  It would be nice to build the universe that way though as well.

My one thing with Batman that I keep coming back to is that if they are going to reboot things, or even just restart again after JLA...I wouldn't mind seeing a Batman world where some of the maybe goofier concepts could be included too.  I may be in the minority, but I'd like to see Robin appear, as well as Batgirl, etc.  Not the Batman Forever or Batman and Robin versions of course, but done well.  I think Robin in particular gets a bit of a bad rap any more as everyone thinks of the character (whatever version) as the pixie boots/bare legs and goofy Burt Ward style.  In the comics, he's not that way anymore and hasn't been portrayed that way for awhile.  Dick Grayson is one of my favorite characters, so I'd of course like to see him included the most, but even versions like Tim Drake (or even Damian Wayne) would be cool as well.  I always say it, but I think Batman: TAS strikes the perfect tone for the whole Bat family, as well as some of the goofier villains like Mr. Freeze and Clayface, and I'd like to see some of that tone carried over to the big screen now that we've gotten the super serious/gritty Batman trilogy we've wanted as well.
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: Brian on August 5, 2013, 08:57 PM
These rumors have been making the rounds the last couple weeks.  Apparently, WB is looking for more middle aged actors (30s to 40s) to play the next Batman for the Batman/Superman movie.  You can check out the full list here:

http://movies.yahoo.com/photos/batman-casting-rumors-1375718917-slideshow/batman-casting-photo-1375724563047.html (http://movies.yahoo.com/photos/batman-casting-rumors-1375718917-slideshow/batman-casting-photo-1375724563047.html)

Current frontrunner is apparently Josh Brolin.  I've also read rumors that they are looking towards the Dark Knight Returns as a model.  Now, don't get me wrong, love the book - one of the all time greats, but as a fan, I'm kind of ready for a little lighter Batman.  Not goofy or stupid, just "comic booky" in a way.  I feel like the Nolan trilogy (which again, I love), already covered the super dark Batman stuff.  I'd like to have a big screen version where Robin, Batgirl, and maybe a little more comic booky Batcave could exist.  Again, I don't want the ridiculousness of the Batman Forever and Batman and Robin movies, but maybe something a little more fun.  I've said it before, but I love the tone of Batman: TAS.  A serious take without being depressing.  Anyways, the rumored list is at the linky above.
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: McMetal on August 6, 2013, 09:06 AM
Agreed that the Nolan films, good as they were, ruined the chances of doing DKR properly. (You can rent the animated version though!)

This wounds me deeply, as outside of Watchmen and Swamp Thing, I feel DKR is far and above the best thing to ever come out of the DC universe. It would have been an epic, brutal live action movie.

As far as re-casting the part, I reject that totally. If Bale is dead set against reprising the role, you go straight to JGL. Otherwise what was the point of that whole last movie?
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: BillCable on August 6, 2013, 09:17 AM
The whole last movie was the "hopeful" end of a contained trilogy.  No connection at all to the new film arc.
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: Scockery on August 6, 2013, 11:01 AM
Adam West as Dark Knight Returns Batman.  Lady Gaga as Robin. Sir Ian McKellan as Alfred. Nick Nolte as Commissioner Gordon. Michael Keaton as the Joker.
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: Brian on August 22, 2013, 10:34 PM
Affleck is Batman in Man of Steel Sequel (http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/08/23/ben-affleck-to-play-batman-in-man-of-steel-sequel?abthid=5216c91120a8c44404000007)
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: DSJ™ on August 22, 2013, 10:52 PM
Quote
I felt a great disturbance in the Force. As if millions of voices
suddenly cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced...when they
found out that Ben Affleck will be the new Batman.
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: Darby on August 22, 2013, 11:03 PM
I don't know. Affleck has actually turned into an interesting filmmaker/actor. He's not my first choice but it all depends on the approach. It's really soon after the Nolan films though and that's a long shadow for anyone to stand in.
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: Scockery on August 22, 2013, 11:41 PM
Funny since Affleck played George Reeves ('50's Superman) in Hollywoodland (which was not that good)...Diane Lane was in that, too. Reeves was having an affair with her characters...that's right, BATMAN IS DOING SUPERMAN'S MOM!!
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: BillCable on August 23, 2013, 09:02 AM
I like Affleck quite a bit as an actor and director - but he's just about the antithesis of Batman.  I just can't see him being obsessive and driven like Batman should be.  He's too laid-back... too casual, seat-of-his-pants.

I can't see him pulling off the billionaire playboy angle, either.  Not that they've gotten that right in any film since Keaton.  Funny how the writers think that if you drive up to a party in an exotic sports car with a supermodel that you're automatically a billionaire playboy.  Doesn't matter if you walk around being creepy and anti-social...

Bruce Wayne ought to be gregarious and flaunt his wealth.  Faking it totally, of course... as a cover for his alter-ego.  But with most films he's the complete opposite.
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: Nicklab on August 23, 2013, 10:25 AM
It wasn't too long ago that people were railing against Affleck for his role as Matt Murdock / Daredevil in the movie of the same name.  Granted, that was 10 years ago.  And I think that Ben Affleck has grown tremendously over the last decade by making some great choices as both an actor and a director.  Considering projects like Argo and The Town, I think that Ben Affleck has really grown.  Will he be the right fit for this project?  Will he be able to escape the shadow of his phony intensity that plagued Daredevil?  That remains to be seen.

For me, the question is whether the new film will attempt to pick up where The Dark Knight Rises left off.  Given the lengths that Marvel has gone to create a cohesive universe, will DC/Warner Brothers attempt to do the same and try to build some continuity between the Bale/Nolan trilogy and this new project?  I'd like to see that, because frankly I'm getting a little tired of the constant rebooting we're seeing with so many properties.  And I think the audience is, too.
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: BillCable on August 23, 2013, 11:31 AM
What I've read is that the Nolan Bat films are self-contained, and have no connection to the new Snyderverse.
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: Nicklab on August 23, 2013, 01:32 PM
Yes, but with Nolan on board as one of the producers & writers of Man of Steel, you've got to think that there's a possibility for linkage between the two story lines.
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: BillCable on August 23, 2013, 02:07 PM
IIRC Nolan himself said there were no story connections.
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: McMetal on August 23, 2013, 04:26 PM
Jason Lee said it best..."that guy looks like a date rapist".

I'm out...



Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: Jayson on August 23, 2013, 04:42 PM
It all makes sense. In Mallrats, Silent Bob dressed as Batman and Jason Lee (Banky) spoke the improbability of Lois Lane carrying Superman's kid.
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: BillCable on August 26, 2013, 11:21 AM
Now THIS is GREAT casting:

Walter White IS Lex Luthor (http://movies.cosmicbooknews.com/content/exclusive-bryan-cranston-lex-luthor-batman-superman-matt-damon-aquaman-mark-strong-sinestro)
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: McMetal on August 26, 2013, 09:04 PM
Love the actor, doesn't seem like the right part for him though. Nothing wrong with getting paid though.
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: Scockery on August 26, 2013, 09:14 PM
I heard Ben Affleck has like a 15 appearance deal as Batman. So one movie, and then some monster truck shows.
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: Nicklab on August 26, 2013, 09:41 PM
They should have just cast Max (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FXDQrnoqSXo) as the new Batman.
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: DSJ™ on August 27, 2013, 10:47 PM
Keep your hair on: Bryan Cranston is not Lex Luthor in 'Man of Steel' sequel (http://social.entertainment.msn.com/movies/blogs/post--keep-your-hair-on-bryan-cranston-is-not-lex-luthor)
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: BillCable on August 28, 2013, 05:48 PM
So much for great casting...   :P
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: BillCable on September 14, 2013, 09:01 AM
Even better casting - Justin Bieber as ROBIN!

http://www.deadline.com/2013/09/justin-bieber-robin-superman-batman-man-of-stee/

It's gotta be a joke because HOLY GOD the MASS GEEK SUICIDES!
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: Nicklab on September 15, 2013, 10:10 AM
Somebody just seems obsessed with seeking negative attention, don't you think?
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: Dressel Rebel on September 16, 2013, 06:47 AM
There's been like one good DC movie ever, when Ledger was Joker. And if Bieber is Robin, it'll stay that way.
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: Phrubruh on September 17, 2013, 09:19 AM
Look at the bright side. Maybe Bieber will play Jason Todd and the Joker will kill him in a scene inspired from Saw.
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: Nicklab on September 18, 2013, 08:51 AM
Even better casting - Justin Bieber as ROBIN!

http://www.deadline.com/2013/09/justin-bieber-robin-superman-batman-man-of-stee/

It's gotta be a joke because HOLY GOD the MASS GEEK SUICIDES!

Rumor has it that he's doing a sketch for Funny or Die.  I'm thinking that script is more than likely related to that.
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: DSJ™ on December 4, 2013, 01:31 PM
Gal Gadot Cast as Wonder Woman in Batman vs. Superman! (http://www.superherohype.com/news/articles/180611-gal-gadot-cast-as-wonder-woman-in-batman-vs-superman)

 :-\
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: Jeff on December 4, 2013, 02:05 PM
So... is this a Superman sequel, a Superman/Batman team-up movie, a Superman/Batman fight movie (TDKR) or a JLA movie?   ???

I've lost track of the point/purpose of this movie at this point.
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: BillCable on December 4, 2013, 02:48 PM
The purpose is to set up WB to make as much money as The Avengers.

Gadot was smoking in FF5, but she's pencil thin.
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: Phrubruh on December 4, 2013, 03:46 PM
There needs to be a CG breast implant if she is going to play Wonder Woman. (unless she is going to play one of the wonder twins)
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: Mikey D on December 5, 2013, 08:34 AM
There needs to be a CG breast implant if she is going to play Wonder Woman. (unless she is going to play one of the wonder twins)

And an ass implant.  Don't get me wrong, I'd give her the greatest 30 seconds of her life, but I don't think she has the body type for WW. Can she beef up?  Sure, but the boobies and butt aren't going to get bigger.
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: P-Siddy on December 5, 2013, 03:15 PM
Not unless your 30 seconds put a bun in her oven.
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: Morgbug on December 5, 2013, 11:52 PM
There needs to be a CG breast implant if she is going to play Wonder Woman. (unless she is going to play one of the wonder twins)

And an ass implant.  Don't get me wrong, I'd give her the greatest 30 seconds of her life, but I don't think she has the body type for WW. Can she beef up?  Sure, but the boobies and butt aren't going to get bigger.

Impressive.  Most impressive. 
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: Mikey D on December 6, 2013, 07:40 AM
I aim to please.
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: name on December 6, 2013, 12:17 PM
She's got some curves, for such a skinny thing.  A half a year's worth of cheeseburgers and good trainer for some muscle bulk and I can start to dig it.

(http://ia.media-imdb.com/images/M/MV5BMjAwOTQ1MzQzN15BMl5BanBnXkFtZTcwNzM4NDIyMg@@._V1__SX640_SY720_.jpg)
(http://ia.media-imdb.com/images/M/MV5BMTQyNTQwNDE5Ml5BMl5BanBnXkFtZTcwMzc4MDkzMg@@._V1__SX640_SY720_.jpg)

Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: I Am Sith on December 7, 2013, 01:04 PM
There needs to be a CG breast implant if she is going to play Wonder Woman. (unless she is going to play one of the wonder twins)

In a DC Universe where we are already going to need to suspend disbelief enough to swallow Ben Affleck as Batman, I can suspend it enough to make Gal Wonder Woman.
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: Phrubruh on December 9, 2013, 04:42 AM
This just doesn't work.

(http://i0.wp.com/nerdbastards.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/GalWonder2.jpg)
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: Nicklab on December 9, 2013, 05:46 PM
I think she's got the potential to surprise the audience. She is Israeli, and she probably did her time in the IDF. I bet she can probably get the fighting parts right. But she's probably going to have to get into a significant training program. 

As for measuring up to someone like Linda Carter?  Film makers managed to get Angelina Jolie to measure up to Lara Crofts ample proportions. They can probably do the same for Gal Gadot.
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: Brian on January 17, 2014, 08:50 PM
Batman/Superman (or Batman vs. Superman, or Justice League, whatever it is going to be called) has now been pushed back 10 months until May 6, 2016 - the same date as "untitled Marvel Studios project".  2015 just got a little bit lighter:

http://www.ign.com/articles/2014/01/18/batman-vs-superman-release-pushed-10-months-to-may-2016 (http://www.ign.com/articles/2014/01/18/batman-vs-superman-release-pushed-10-months-to-may-2016)
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: Phrubruh on January 21, 2014, 01:17 PM
I always thought Lara Croft was based on Angelina Jolie except for the current game were they just beat the crap out of her.
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: BillCable on January 21, 2014, 03:06 PM
Tomb Raider came out in 1996, years before Jolie became a household name.
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: efranks on January 27, 2014, 02:18 PM
Tomb Raider came out in 1996, years before Jolie became a household name.

And Rhona Mitra was one of the first Lara Croft models, before she became a household name.

   E...
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: BillCable on January 31, 2014, 01:19 PM
OK - now they're just trying to piss people off...

Jesse Eisenberg is LEX LUTHOR (http://www.deadline.com/2014/01/jesse-eisenberg-jeremy-irons-superman-batman-movie-warner-bros/)
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: P-Siddy on January 31, 2014, 02:17 PM
OK - now they're just trying to piss people off...

Jesse Eisenberg is LEX LUTHOR (http://www.deadline.com/2014/01/jesse-eisenberg-jeremy-irons-superman-batman-movie-warner-bros/)

Judging by the comments, yes.

I guess we'll wait and see.
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: Diddly on January 31, 2014, 04:27 PM
I like Eisenberg aka Not-Michael-Cera (he was great in Social Network and Zombieland) but yeah this seems odd. Former JediDefender Poster Famine texted me saying he is THRILLED by the casting of Jeremy Irons as Alfred.
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: JediJman on January 31, 2014, 04:29 PM
OK - now they're just trying to piss people off...

Jesse Eisenberg is LEX LUTHOR (http://www.deadline.com/2014/01/jesse-eisenberg-jeremy-irons-superman-batman-movie-warner-bros/)

Hahahahahahaa!  Oh DC....
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: evenflow on January 31, 2014, 04:54 PM
This movie just sounds worse and worse.  ::)
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: Darby on January 31, 2014, 07:56 PM
I can kind of see Eisenberg, in the mold of the character he played in Social Network. Luthor as young, petulant genius, as opposed to what we've traditionally seen. It could work. It depends entirely on the story. Luthor as a corporate threat to Bruce Wayne could be the way these two cross paths. Jeremy Irons has always been a tremendous actor, and him as Alfred offers some new avenues. Could work. would not have been the route I would have gone, but then none of these choices so far have been, so par for the course. We'll see.
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: BillCable on February 1, 2014, 12:41 AM
(https://24.media.tumblr.com/9f3f36be587cf6e7f422b097616d57eb/tumblr_n0ah05EI4E1qd9jlto1_500.jpg)

As I commented in other forums, Lex Luthor isn't a geek.  "Petulant"?  Ridiculous.  Lex Luthor is an evil Tony Stark.  Confident.  Bold.  Imposing. 

Can Eisenberg pull of a character who everyone immediately fears and respects as soon as he walks in the room?  Don't make me laugh.
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: Hemish on February 1, 2014, 09:21 PM
Can Heath Ledger pull of a character who everyone immediately fears and respects as soon as he walks in the room?  Don't make me laugh.


Remember when people were saying that???

I am not going to judge this one till i've seen it.
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: BillCable on February 2, 2014, 08:09 AM
Remember when people were saying that???

Nope.  Revisionist history.  There were *a few* vocal people who said that, but most hadn't really seen a lot of what he did (mostly rom-coms and indies), and thought he had a weak resume.  I don't remember tons of people saying he was WRONG for the part.
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: Matt_Fury on February 3, 2014, 02:17 PM
I remember people questioning Ledger as the Joker...I trust this group to make good casting choices, so we'll just wait and see.
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: BillCable on February 5, 2014, 08:58 AM
The Rock as Green Lantern? (http://www.ign.com/articles/2014/02/05/dwayne-johnson-hints-that-hes-playing-green-lantern)
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: JediJman on February 5, 2014, 10:47 AM
The Rock as Green Lantern? (http://www.ign.com/articles/2014/02/05/dwayne-johnson-hints-that-hes-playing-green-lantern)

Oh Lord no. Seriously?
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: dave in the basement on February 5, 2014, 11:00 AM
At this point, I kind of want to see how jacked-up of a cast they can come up with.
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: P-Siddy on February 5, 2014, 11:28 AM
Well, now they have to explain why there's another guy playing Green Lantern.  Is Ryan Reynold going to should up and pass the gas torch?

At this point, I kind of want to see how jacked-up of a cast they can come up with.

They still haven't contacted Dustin Diamond.  He could be some DC Screech-like villain.
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: JediJman on February 5, 2014, 01:09 PM
Maybe the movie is intended to be more like the Superfriends?  Here's the official cast list:

Superman - Henry Cavill
Batman - Ben Affleck
Wonder Woman - Gal Gadot
Green Lantern - Dwyane Johnson
Robin - Joaquin Phoenix
Cyborg - Jerry Seinfeld
The Flash - Morgan Freeman
Aquaman - Joe Pesci
Hawkman - Ken Jeong
Lois Lane - Amy Adams
Lex Luthor - Jesse Eisenberg
Clay Face - Betty White
The Joker - Zach Galifianakis
Darkseid - Jon Heder
Catwoman - Rebel Wilson
Alfred - Jeremy Irons

I would totally pay $10 to see this train wreck come to life.
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: BillCable on February 5, 2014, 01:36 PM
Well, now they have to explain why there's another guy playing Green Lantern.  Is Ryan Reynold going to should up and pass the gas torch?

Nah - The Rock is black Green Lantern.  Reynolds was white Green Lantern.

But then the Green Lantern movie was so horrible they may want to exclude it from the continuity.  Man of Steel was the first film of this universe.
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: P-Siddy on February 5, 2014, 02:15 PM
Catwoman - Rebel Wilson

I just threw up in my mouth.  Thanks, Justin.
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: EdSolo on February 5, 2014, 02:21 PM
Maybe the movie is intended to be more like the Superfriends?  Here's the official cast list:

Superman - Henry Cavill
Batman - Ben Affleck
Wonder Woman - Gal Gadot
Green Lantern - Dwyane Johnson
Robin - Joaquin Phoenix
Cyborg - Jerry Seinfeld
The Flash - Morgan Freeman
Aquaman - Joe Pesci
Hawkman - Ken Jeong
Lois Lane - Amy Adams
Lex Luthor - Jesse Eisenberg
Clay Face - Betty White
The Joker - Zach Galifianakis
Darkseid - Jon Heder
Catwoman - Rebel Wilson
Alfred - Jeremy Irons

I would totally pay $10 to see this train wreck come to life.

If they are going this route, you have to cast the Wonder Twins with a CGI Gleek.
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: JediJman on February 6, 2014, 07:15 AM
Well, then we would need Apache and Black Lightning too.  That casting alone could shut the project down.
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: DSJ™ on April 24, 2014, 08:21 PM
Batman vs. Superman Adds Ray Fisher as Cyborg (http://www.superherohype.com/news/299979-batman-vs-superman-adds-ray-fisher-as-cyborg/)
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: BillCable on April 28, 2014, 02:35 PM
WB hitches their wagon to Snyder (http://geektyrant.com/news/zack-snyder-officially-directing-justice-league)

Because obviously Man of Steel didn't bomb like Green Lantern.
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: Diddly on April 29, 2014, 12:18 AM
This is such a mess. Remember how Marvel carefully planned out Phase 1 of the Avengers and created storylines for the standalone films that all wound up tying together? This is pretty much the opposite; DC throwing crap at the wall to see what sticks. Has anyone at DC realized that they're just a few characters away from this next Superman movie actually being a Justice League movie? Not to mention that there are still conflicting reports as to whether this is actually a Batman vs. Superman movie or just "Superman, also featuring Batman and other characters." Add to that the unenthusiastic reactions by the general public to the casting decisions so far, and we're looking at another dud.
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: EdSolo on April 29, 2014, 06:55 AM
I also think they are dropping the ball, but I also think they will make money off this venture, it just won't be as successful as Marvel.  The new Superman made a bunch of money, but I thought it was just O.K.  I think DC is rushing things because they have dropped the ball so much over the years.  They have only had success with two characters on the big screen.  Maybe they feel the superhero bubble will have to burst at some point and are trying to get everything out there before it does.  When this movie finally hits theaters, it will do so at the same time Marvel releases its second movie in Phase 3.  At this point, we may see Avengers 3 before Justice League even gets made.
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: JediJman on May 1, 2014, 06:17 AM
I think a lot of people will go see it regardless...hard to resist two strong characters or more in films like this.  But they'll miss a big chunk of repeat business both within a release and over time across the franchise.  They would be much better served I think going the TV route with their super heroes. 
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: EdSolo on May 1, 2014, 07:05 AM
It will be interesting to see what would come out of a Cap 3 versus Batman/Superman battle if both release dates hold up.

I still think they are mishandling this a bit.  They really are rushing into Justice League without establishing other characters.  While we could debate the merits of a stand alone Flash, Wonder Woman, Martian Manhunter, etc. movie, who would have thought a stand alone Thor movie could have worked out?

People will go out and see this regardless because of a long standing desire to see multiple DC heroes on the screen together, but it could end up being on par with Green Lantern movie.
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: BillCable on May 1, 2014, 07:09 AM
Joe Quesada comments on Man of Steel (http://www.darkhorizons.com/news/31904/marvel-chief-not-a-man-of-steel-fan)

Quote
As a comic book fan, I wanted to love that movie so much. I just think at the end of the day, Zod was the hero of the movie to me. He wanted to save his race, and Superman didn't let him. Zod, in this particular incarnation, struck me as not necessarily an evil man, he had his orders, he had a mission.

I had the same exact reaction - one of the big failures with the script, IMO.
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: Nicklab on May 1, 2014, 08:44 AM
Joe Quesada comments on Man of Steel (http://www.darkhorizons.com/news/31904/marvel-chief-not-a-man-of-steel-fan)

Quote
As a comic book fan, I wanted to love that movie so much. I just think at the end of the day, Zod was the hero of the movie to me. He wanted to save his race, and Superman didn't let him. Zod, in this particular incarnation, struck me as not necessarily an evil man, he had his orders, he had a mission.

I had the same exact reaction - one of the big failures with the script, IMO.


I had a similar reaction as well.  Michael Shannon, who played the new Zod, commented pretty freely about what he was going for with this new portrayal of Zod.  He offered great affection for the work that Terence Stamp had done with his rendition of Zod, but said that Stamp's Zod was very much a megalomaniac.  Shannon wanted his Zod to seem very much like he was a military man with a mission to save his people.  When he attacked the Kryptonian council you kind of sided with Zod since the council seemed so out of touch.

Where I think the script failed was that the threat of Zod to Earth wasn't sufficiently realized.  There was some horrific destruction shown in Metropolis, but it really just amounted to buildings being pulverized.  The only time where I found Zod's obsession was murderous was in that last scene at the train station.
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: Phrubruh on May 1, 2014, 01:57 PM
So why couldn't Zod move his eyes slightly? Why couldn't Sups fly Zod out of there? Why destroy populated buildings killing thousands but care about a small family? Why does Louis keep popping up in places she doesn't belong? Why couldn't Clark save the dog? Why save the dog? Why does Clark know how to fly an alien ship? Why not run the ship into Zod's ship before he even comes down to Earth? Why is Metropolis destroyed but the Daily Planet is completely untouched? Where is the giant spider? (see Kevin Smith)
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: BillCable on May 1, 2014, 02:21 PM
And that was all WITH Chris Nolan's guidance...

I thought it was stupid that Zod didn't throw up his arms and surrender when Supes was about to commit genocide.  "Whoa - whoa - whoa!  Alright!  You win!  I'm genetically programmed to do anything possible to protect these embryos... So let me just fly this baby to some other planet.  No need to exterminate a billion innocent unborn Kryptonians!"
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: P-Siddy on May 1, 2014, 02:33 PM
And had any of those people seen a tornado, been near one, even a video and known what to do out in the country when there is no shelter?  I bet it isn't to hide under an overpass.  I bet all those Kansas folk would know what to do.

As for the dog, he would have been long gone before the rest of the Kents... well, the Earthling ones anyway.
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: BillCable on May 1, 2014, 06:19 PM
Under an overpass is an ideal place to hide during a tornado.  Normally lying flat near the side.

Going back for the dog instead of sending your indestructible alien son?  Unreasonably idiotic.
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: P-Siddy on May 1, 2014, 09:15 PM
Under an overpass is an ideal place to hide during a tornado.  Normally lying flat near the side.

Actually, no, it's not according to a National Weather Service.  An overpass creates a wind tunnel effect.  There's more here since I was curious: http://www.crh.noaa.gov/ddc/?n=over
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: BillCable on May 2, 2014, 07:51 AM
Weird - learn something new every day.
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: Phrubruh on May 2, 2014, 09:26 AM
Why couldn't Sups just blow the tornado away or blow in the opposite direction to counter the it? But no! I can't show my super powers so I'll let my dad get killed by the tornado saving the crappy dog!
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: Jayson on May 13, 2014, 01:02 PM
New batsuit and batmobile (http://imgur.com/3hRU6px)
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: jedipurge on May 15, 2014, 02:40 PM
bat suit epic fail
looks cartoonish
batmobile not bad at all
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: Nicklab on May 15, 2014, 05:24 PM
The new costume actually makes me think of Batman circa Frank Miller's The Dark Knight Returns.  As for the Batmobile?  I had actually grown pretty fond of the Tumbler from the Nolan/Bale trilogy.  But a new car is fine.
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: jedipurge on May 16, 2014, 12:10 PM
i suppose my initial reaction was harsh, i got used to the amored look of the last trilogy, this just looks like a reminder of the older version with molded rubber muscle suit to me. i mean is superman vs. batman 2 going to have bats with nips on the suit? it does look like he came walked right out of one of the comics so i'll give it that its a realistic interpritation of that and d@m good looking, i was just hoping for something more realistic.
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: DSJ™ on May 21, 2014, 07:35 PM
Batman vs. Superman is Officially Titled Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice! (http://www.superherohype.com/news/303023-batman-vs-superman-is-officially-titled-batman-v-superman-dawn-of-justice#/slide/1)

(http://cdn2-www.superherohype.com/assets/uploads/gallery/batman-vs-superman/batmanvsuperman.jpg)

Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: BillCable on May 22, 2014, 07:40 AM
Much better than all those titles that involved "knight"...
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: efranks on May 23, 2014, 04:14 PM
I don't recall ever really caring what a movie's name was as long as it didn't suck.
 
   E...
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: BillCable on June 14, 2014, 08:49 AM
Aquaman to be played by... Khal Drogo??!! (http://www.aintitcool.com/node/67661)

I'm a fan of Jason Mamoa and it's great to see him score a major role, but seems a bit miscast, here.  Unless they feel they need somebody gargantuan to look respectable  shirtless standing next to the foam padding of the Superman and Batman costumes.
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: Matt_Fury on June 15, 2014, 01:18 AM
It should be Kunal Nayyar.  Arguably one of the best portrayals of Aquaman anywhere!
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: BillCable on June 19, 2014, 07:57 AM
RUMOR/SPOILERS:







Lex will be a long-haired, blonde billionaire douche. (http://www.darkhorizons.com/news/32616/blond-lex-more-dawn-of-justice-rumors)

Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: BillCable on July 3, 2014, 10:25 AM
Superman still looks like Man of Steel...

(http://media.aintitcool.com/media/uploads/2014/merrick/CavillSuperDOJ%20_large.jpg)
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: jedipurge on July 9, 2014, 12:21 PM

can't wait for this movie
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: DSJ™ on July 25, 2014, 12:27 AM
Comic-Con: Photos of the Batsuit from Batman v Superman (http://www.superherohype.com/news/309773-comic-con-photos-of-the-batsuit-from-batman-v-superman-dawn-of-justice#/slide/1)

Comic-Con: New Photo of Ben Affleck as Batman Debuts! (http://www.superherohype.com/news/310061-comic-con-new-photo-of-ben-affleck-as-batman-debuts#/slide/1)
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: Brian on July 26, 2014, 02:41 PM
Sounds like some very brief footage was shown today, as well as the first image of Wonder Woman:

http://www.newsarama.com/21715-the-official-batman-v-superman-dawn-of-justice-wonder-woman-image.html (http://www.newsarama.com/21715-the-official-batman-v-superman-dawn-of-justice-wonder-woman-image.html)
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: evenflow on July 29, 2014, 12:16 PM
 Anyone still know where the teaser is online. I missed it and can't seem to find any that were not pulled.
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: DSJ™ on August 6, 2014, 05:29 PM
Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice Moves to March 25, 2016! DC Schedule Revealed Through 2020!! (http://www.superherohype.com/news/311851-batman-v-superman-dawn-of-justice-moves-to-march-25-2016#/slide/1)
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: Jeff on August 12, 2014, 11:57 AM
Not quite confirmed, but pretty well "almost confirmed" I guess...  Jason Momoa to Play Aquaman (http://www.hitfix.com/motion-captured/jason-momoa-will-play-aquaman-in-dawn-of-justice-and-we-know-how-it-will-happen)

That's it WB, just keep cramming cameos in there.  Adding 3-5 minutes of Momoa as Aquaman (and all the other JLAers you've cast so far - Cyborg, GL, Flash, etc) to set up a role in your JLA movie is going to work great and not be distracting at all!

Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: BillCable on August 12, 2014, 12:54 PM
Were GL and Flash confirmed?  Hadn't heard that.
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: Jeff on August 12, 2014, 01:04 PM
I saw a report where someone they cast already (Scoot McNairy maybe?) was now confirmed as the Flash, but I can't find it now that I go looking for it again... same story had the leads for GL, but again I'm not sure where I saw that. 
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: Phrubruh on August 12, 2014, 02:40 PM
So we are suppose to believe that all of these super heros suddenly show up?  Where were they when Zod was destroying Metropolis and wreking havoc on the planet. What was Aquaman doing when water was being sucked into holes made by Zod's terraforming machine?
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: BillCable on August 12, 2014, 03:41 PM
I read that both Batman and Wonder Woman were operating "in the shadows" and had established "mythical" reputations.  Or something.  Because everyone knows Wonder Woman does her best work in secret, out of the public eye.  Hence the inconspicuous outfit.

Add in Cyborg, GL, Flash... maybe they were like the Secret Defenders!
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: Nicklab on August 12, 2014, 04:58 PM
Hey.... she has an invisible plane, remember?!?!
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: BillCable on October 14, 2014, 08:07 AM
Wonder Woman origin to follow New 52 (http://www.aintitcool.com/node/69110)

So apparently the Greek gods of Olympus exist in the Snyderverse.
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: BillCable on February 20, 2015, 07:59 AM
Good to see the Atlanteans have mastered the art of tattooing. 

I guess they gotta do something with all that squid ink.

(http://media.aintitcool.com/media/uploads/2015/harry/aquamanjasonmomoa_large.jpg)
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: Qui-Gon Jim on February 20, 2015, 09:21 AM
The seven being
Superman
Batman
Wonder Woman
Aquaman
Green Lantern
Green Arrow
Flash?

This Aquaman looks...  OK to me.
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: Scott on February 20, 2015, 09:58 AM
Looks more like a Quintdent instead of a Trident
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: BillCable on February 20, 2015, 11:38 AM
3 prongs isn't badass or gritty enough.

Despite centuries of proven utility of the design...
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: Diddly on February 20, 2015, 11:54 AM
I don't HATE the design, I'm just having a really hard time getting excited for the movie.
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: JediJman on February 20, 2015, 12:00 PM
Why would an underwater dude have long or neatly trimmed beards?  Don't swimmers shave off body hair for better speed/performance?  That dude's crazy hairy for an underwater guy.
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: BillCable on February 20, 2015, 01:22 PM
I think the armor would impede his swimming more than his beard.
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: JediJman on February 20, 2015, 01:30 PM
I think the armor would impede his swimming more than his beard.

Forget speed, how do you even trim your beard underwater?  Does he have the opposite of a shower, where there's a little air bubble for him to shave in or something? 
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: BillCable on March 25, 2015, 11:10 AM
He's bald... (http://www.ew.com/article/2015/03/25/jesse-eisenberg-lex-luthor-batman-v-superman-dawn-justice)
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: JediJman on March 25, 2015, 11:19 AM
I'll go on record as confirming that is NOT a good look for Jesse.  Wow.
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: BillCable on March 25, 2015, 11:51 AM
I just think there's no real impact.  I see bald white dudes every day.  Lex was invented back when it was considered shameful to be without hair.  A sign of disease or old age.  That Superman caused it was a big factor in Lex's obsession.

Now, it's like "Eh..."

Reminds me of the Seinfeld issue where Elaine was dating a guy who shaved his head.  Jerry was like "Is he from the FUTURE??"

Yes, Jerry - he was.  He was from 2009.
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: BillCable on March 25, 2015, 01:47 PM
In other news...

Green Lantern cast? (http://moviepilot.com/posts/2015/03/25/it-looks-like-we-finally-have-our-new-green-lantern-2810305?lt_source=external,manual,manual)
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: Diddly on March 25, 2015, 10:01 PM
Now I can finally tell Michael Cera and Jesse Eisenberg apart!
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: Qui-Gon Jim on April 17, 2015, 06:07 AM
Batman vs. Superman trailer leak. Can't link the video directly
 http://io9.com/everybody-hates-superman-in-the-first-batman-v-superman-1698392005 (http://io9.com/everybody-hates-superman-in-the-first-batman-v-superman-1698392005)

While lotta meh.
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: Pete_Fett on April 17, 2015, 08:37 AM
Wow, I agree, the Star Wars trailer was a home run, I am now more excited than ever to see that movie.

But for this movie? I can't help but think about how hard this movie is going to crash and burn and destroy WB/DC's hopes of even being on the same level as Disney/Marvel.
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: Jeff on April 17, 2015, 10:21 AM
I can't help but think about how hard this movie is going to crash and burn and destroy WB/DC's hopes of even being on the same level as Disney/Marvel.

QFT.

Maybe it was because of the trailer quality or maybe it was the sad fact that it came out on the same day as the TFA trailer, but the trailer was lame.

Teases of BB-8, Han and Chewie are AWESOME.  Teases of yet another guy trying to wear the bat-suit with a mean "batman voice" and more "I'm scared of Superman" are boring.
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: Diddly on April 17, 2015, 02:30 PM
Reminds me of the Watchman, which sucked.

I wonder if Batman or Superman will bang a chick while Bob Dylan plays in the background?
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: Qui-Gon Jim on April 17, 2015, 02:46 PM
We get it.  The DC Uni is dark.  Cripes, even Supes looks dark. 
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: Darby on April 17, 2015, 04:19 PM
I know I'm still on a SW high, but meh. I don't particularly care for the direction they seem to be going in and this doesn't do anything to help. I think it's interesting they seem to be addressing the ridiculous mass destruction that made MOS utterly forgettable, by making Superman something of a pariah, but it seems to be doubling down on a bad bet.
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: Pete_Fett on April 17, 2015, 08:17 PM
Ok - I just watched it again - they posted a hi-res version on YouTube - http://www.youtube.com/watch?t=21&v=IwfUnkBfdZ4

And to answer your question Jeff - no, the lack of clarity/quality of the original version did NOTHING to hurt people's impression of the movie, the trailer itself does a good enough job at it.

Like Qui-Gon Jim said, we get it DC, your universe is "dark" and "brooding" - but guess what, I also want to have a little bit of "fun" when I go see my superhero movies, so you're going to have to do a bit more than just trying to recapture the lightning in the bottle that was The Dark Knight.

And seriously - "Tell me, do you bleed?.... YOU WILL" - just HORRIBLE, is Superman supposed to be scared by that?

Oh and for anyone who was holding out hope that man-child Eisenberg was going to be decent in this film, watch the video again, he's the girly-man voice saying weakly "Devils don't come from Hell beneath us, (whisper) no, they come from the sky" - want some cheese with that wine Lex?

Unless I see something radically different in the trailers we get closer to the movie's release, this is an easy pass for me.
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: Brian on April 17, 2015, 08:49 PM
I'm in the same boat as many of you.  It may be because it comes on the heels of the great Force Awakens trailer, but it just seemed underwhelming overall.  I want to be excited for this movie, and if I'm being honest I know I'll be there opening weekend, but I too don't care for the "hey, we're the darkest dark that ever darked a dark" vibe they are going for with the DC movie slate.  I understand being serious, or "grounded" as they always like to say, but I think you can do it with a nice balance of both humor and just hopefulness alongside (like Marvel).  We want to still be able to have fun at the movies too, especially "superhero" movies.
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: Darby on April 17, 2015, 09:22 PM
^

This. The HD version just reinforced my perception of this. I'll go see it too but I was waiting for a reason to be excited about this and the more I see / read the more I think they're on the wrong path.
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: Matt_Fury on April 17, 2015, 10:48 PM
I still think DC is trying too hard to catch up to Marvel in the live action movie arena, and this trailer reinforces that in me.

I'm more excited about their next animated venture than this movie.

Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: Phrubruh on April 18, 2015, 04:24 PM
It kind of reminds me of the Freddy vs Jason trailer.  Lets have two monsters battle. People don't like sups so batman will fight him. Why? That bat suit looks too big for him. Too dark to see and too underwhelming. Where is everyone else?
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: Rob on April 18, 2015, 11:25 PM
Batman?  Looked like Iron Man made a bat suit.

Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: EdSolo on April 20, 2015, 07:00 AM
For a movie that has been dreamed of since the Burton era of Batman movies, the trailer is underwhelming.  The electronic modulated Batman voice makes one long for the days of the Christian Bale smoker voice.  At this point, they might as well cast the Wonder Twins and Gleek for comic relief.  While the movie will make untold millions, it won't touch Avengers 2.
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: BillCable on April 21, 2015, 08:54 AM
Who really wants to see this?  So joyless.

One of the reasons The Dark Knight Returns (comic) was so effective in this conflict was because the two guys had been allies for decades.  Batman was convinced his true friend had been corrupted, and had to be taken down.  That's powerful stuff.

Here, there's no conflict.  Who knows if they've even met.  It's two strangers wailing on one-another.

It's the same kind of mistake JJ made in Trek 2 - trying to recreate something beloved without any foundation to support it.  And it makes no sense.

I'm sure there will be lots of pretty explosions, though.
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: Jeff on April 21, 2015, 04:05 PM
I too don't care for the "hey, we're the darkest dark that ever darked a dark" vibe they are going for

Batman v. Superman: Darkness (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dMI6B734Ew4)

Pretty sad how fitting that LEGO movie song is...
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: Phrubruh on April 21, 2015, 04:40 PM
This looks like a better movie:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F6cpTjsHTNk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F6cpTjsHTNk)
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: BillCable on April 24, 2015, 11:03 PM
You gotta be joking... (http://comicbook.com/2015/04/25/official-look-jared-leto-as-the-joker-for-suicide-squad/)


Pun intended.
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: Jeff on April 24, 2015, 11:23 PM
I saw a good comment on Twitter - 

"oh wow I can tell this version of the Joker is a real bad dude because his origin story involves falling into a vat of hot topic" (https://twitter.com/wyshynski/status/591784784994545665)
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: DSJ™ on July 11, 2015, 07:07 PM
Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice Comic-Con Trailer (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WWzgGyAH6Y)
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: Nicklab on July 13, 2015, 08:53 AM
The premise of Batman taking on Superman is a tough sell, simply because Superman is so powerful.  But I definitely liked how the beginning of the trailer established why Batman would find Superman to be a threat to the world.  And who is positioned to take on someone whose powers are so god-like?  Using the crazy destruction that happened at the end of Man of Steel seems like an organic way to establish the fact that the people of Earth aren't so prepared to embrace Superman and might approach him with a sense of fear.

The Lex Luthor character seems to have been updated into a snarky 20 something billionaire/genius/d-bag.  And sure enough he's come up with some Kryptonite, too.  How?  As for General Zod's corpse in the bodybag?  I'm curious to see where that goes. 

Wonder Woman looks pretty striking.  Gal Gadot is certainly easy on the eyes, and it'll be interesting to see how her character gets developed into this conflict.
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: BillCable on July 13, 2015, 12:39 PM
Was  it just me, or did they seem to get most of the characters wrong?

Ma Kent is lecturing Superman to be selfish and say piss off to all of humanity.

Lex Luthor is jovial and likes to wax poetic.

Bruce Wayne apparently rushes to judgement without investigating all sides of the Zod conflict.

And Superman raises his own Nazi army who worship him to protect his desert stronghold.
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: Jeff on July 13, 2015, 12:58 PM
Was it just me, or did they seem to get most of the characters wrong?

I think the only "character" they got right was the Joker - the "you let your family die" clipping and the robin suit were awesome. 

Still don't understand why WW is in this movie...  to look good and fight, I guess.  ???
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: BillCable on July 13, 2015, 01:29 PM
I figured it was Lex who sent the note to Bruce.  But they didn't really say either way.

I can't figure out why WW is there either.  Maybe it's to make awesome force fields.
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: P-Siddy on July 13, 2015, 01:31 PM
I can't wait to see her invisible jet if they ever show it.  I hope we can actually see her sitting there as if she's floating in air.
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: Jeff on July 13, 2015, 01:51 PM
I figured it was Lex who sent the note to Bruce.  But they didn't really say either way.

I thought it might be Lex until I saw the Robin suit... then I figured both must be the Joker.  Some of that may be biased from my knowledge of Miller's DKR story line.  I guess the clipping could be Lex-taunting-Bruce though, trying to goad him against Superman?
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: BillCable on July 13, 2015, 02:31 PM
Yeah - that was my initial idea.  As I understand it, Lex is the main (maybe only) baddie in this movie. 

I figured the Joker costume thing was showing maybe why Bruce quit.
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: Phrubruh on July 13, 2015, 03:40 PM
So this movie won't have anything to do with Suicide Squad?
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: P-Siddy on July 13, 2015, 04:01 PM
no connection with the Nolan Batmans, either.
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: BillCable on July 13, 2015, 04:41 PM
So this movie won't have anything to do with Suicide Squad?

Same universe.  And Batfleck is in both.  Otherwise, no known connections.
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: Jeff on July 13, 2015, 05:11 PM
Suicide Squad - Comic-Con First Look [HD] (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PLLQK9la6Go)

Yeah.  Was that CGI Batman in there?  Kinda looked like it...

Could be good... could be hot garbage.  Still don't really know... much depends on how much of this is set up in SvB, I guess. 

I still think it's a really odd choice for the 2nd movie in your new shared universe, DC. 
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: Phrubruh on July 13, 2015, 09:17 PM
So this movie won't have anything to do with Suicide Squad?

Same universe.  And Batfleck is in both.  Otherwise, no known connections.

Looks like Batfleck is driving the Tumbler.
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: BillCable on July 14, 2015, 08:42 AM
Not CGI:

(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/05/28/18/2925FF7E00000578-3101175-image-a-37_1432832640658.jpg)

I do agree it's kind of odd to redeem your worst villains before they've ever been villains on-screen.  But then the whole premise of the Snyderverse Batman is that he's retired after years of successfully taking down criminals.
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: Jeff on July 14, 2015, 10:04 AM
Not CGI:

I meant the Batman in the factory, right after the gun-toting Panda shows up... 

(http://jedidefender.com/news/images/2015_07/IMG_3361.JPG)

I guess it's not a CGI Batman, but a guy in a Batman mask?  Weird.  The "animated" look of the mask made him look CGI to me at first pass...
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: Jeff on July 30, 2015, 11:33 AM
New Details On BATMAN v SUPERMAN's Dark Knight (http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/JoshWildingNewsAndReviews/news/?a=123365) - CONTAINS BvsS and Suicide Squad SPOILERS!

Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: BillCable on October 7, 2015, 01:45 PM
SPOILER.... ish







Apparently Jesse Eisenberg isn't playing Lex Luthor.  He's playing the late Lex Luthor's son, Alex Luthor... (http://www.polygon.com/2015/10/6/9463323/jesse-eisenberg-lex-luthor-batman-v-superman)

So instead of being a self-made billionaire, he's a trust fund baby billionaire that revamps his dead dad's company.
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: DSJ™ on December 1, 2015, 12:28 PM
Batman v Superman - Exclusive Sneak  (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6as8ahAr1Uc)

This teaser is just a precursor to the full length trailer that is set to debut on Jimmy Kimmel Live on Wednesday December 2.
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: Scockery on December 1, 2015, 05:41 PM
Under the cowl, Affleck's hair is perfect.

WHO'S THE REAL SUPERMAN?
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: BillCable on December 2, 2015, 01:09 PM
Supes removed Batman's eye make-up faster than you could see!  Maybe he just gave him a full make-over.
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: DSJ™ on December 3, 2015, 02:22 AM
Whoa!   8)

NEW "Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice" Trailer  (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yViIi3gie2c)
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: Scockery on December 3, 2015, 11:14 AM
LOTR Cave Troll appears!  :o

Some trailers revealing too much because there's so much money invested they have to show the goods.
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: BillCable on December 3, 2015, 01:33 PM
So what are people's reactions?  I've seen mostly negative responses from friends on Facebook.  One called it "Aggressively Terrible."  I thought it was pretty -meh- but not embarrassingly bad.  Except for Eisenberg - that's perhaps the worst villain casting since Mr. Freeze.

But then I had low expectations after MoS, and this trailer fits squarely with those expectations.  Maybe I'm mostly reading reactions from people who thought it would be good.
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: Jeff on December 3, 2015, 01:54 PM
I thought it was pretty -meh- but not embarrassingly bad.

I thought it was kinda boring.  Not sure if I've just seen too much from this movie or if it' just not interesting anymore after so many other Bat-movies.

And yeah, Alex Luthor there is pretty bad - my wife asked if he was supposed to be the Joker when we watched the trailer last night...
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: Diddly on December 3, 2015, 05:14 PM
Haven't watched it yet, but I'm seeing online that the plot/third act is pretty much spoiled from the trailer.  ::)
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: Pete_Fett on December 3, 2015, 05:56 PM
I had read rumors about Lex taking the corpse of Zod and turning him into Doomsday and I had genuinely hoped that was not what they were going to end up doing. Well, turns out that IS what they are doing. Turns out that when Michael Shannon slipped about being in the movie and then they had to back-peddle, it was really the truth - the "flippers" he said he had for hands were probably appendages they put on his arms for the motion capture process, to track more accurately where the longer arms of Doomsday would/should be... *sigh*

The trailer did nothing to change my opinion that this movie will be a whole lotta "meh".

In stark contrast when I saw the Captain America: Civil War trailer, I was blown away - that moment near the end when Steve says "I'm sorry Tony, but he's my friend" and then Tony says "But so was I..." and then the two-on-one fight with Steve, Bucky and Iron Man summed up everything we needed to know about the movie and conveyed the dramatic weight of the conflict between Cap and Iron Man perfectly.

When it comes to Batman v. Superman, I still just think to myself "who cares?" - we have never seen these two guys work together so why couldn't they start off hating each other initially. There was the brief Iron Man/Cap/Thor fight in the first Avengers movie but emphasis on BRIEF. So if the "versus" part of Batman v. Superman is really only a small part near the beginning with the majority of the film centered around the heroes having to put their differences aside, team up with Wonder Woman and fight Doomsday, I think a lot of people are going to feel mislead considering the name of the movie implies it would be about Batman versus Superman.
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: Scockery on December 3, 2015, 10:43 PM
What was the Watto's flying in the desert?

Parademons?

Just HOW much stuff are they setting up for future films?
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: Matt_Fury on December 4, 2015, 12:49 AM
DC should just give up on a cinematic universe now while we're just underwhelmed by their upcoming movie.
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: JediJman on December 5, 2015, 12:22 AM
I don't think I need to see the movie after watching that last trailer.  Batman is older and cranky, Superman is loved by some and hated by others.  They meet and don't get along.  Lex further pits them against each other while turning Zod into Doomsday, Batman and Supes fight, then have to team up to fight the bad guy, and Wonder Woman jumps into the mix as eye candy.  I assume they all survive for upcoming movies, so just saved myself $10.   ::)
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: Jeff on December 5, 2015, 01:03 AM
You forgot to shoehorn Aquaman and Lois Lane in there, but otherwise I think you've got it.
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: evenflow on December 5, 2015, 06:20 PM
I thought the trailer was pretty terrible. I wasn't excited to begin with but even less so now. Lex just seems terrible, Doomsday looks like Abomination, and they revealed too much.
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: JediJman on December 7, 2015, 12:53 PM
I thought the trailer was pretty terrible. I wasn't excited to begin with but even less so now. Lex just seems terrible, Doomsday looks like Abomination, and they revealed too much.

Well, if Wonder Woman ends up revealing too much I'm back on board...
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: evenflow on December 7, 2015, 10:13 PM
I thought the trailer was pretty terrible. I wasn't excited to begin with but even less so now. Lex just seems terrible, Doomsday looks like Abomination, and they revealed too much.

Well, if Wonder Woman ends up revealing too much I'm back on board...

Ok, you sold me. I am back on too!
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: BillCable on December 14, 2015, 07:26 AM
Cryptic, SPOILERy plot synopsis of BvS re: Doomsday from the production designer...

Quote
"Doomsday isn't just the final act... We are able to tell a story in a fresh way. Doomsday is an evolution essentially. Fans may be aware of 'The Death of Superman' story, but this is handled in such a new way.

When the film is called Batman v or versus Superman, it really has a lot of levels to the meaning. Superman isn't just killed off at the end of something. We see how he evolves as part of Lex's plan to protect the world.

Seeing the Superman we know, be gone, and then replaced with this reproduction is really going to make fans think of how we look at these super beings. It was especially interesting to figure out, how would you create Superman from Zod... then how would that evolve into Doomsday."

I don't even know how to respond to that...
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: Matt_Fury on December 14, 2015, 09:33 AM
Don't they realize that when you tell people the plot ahead of time, it makes less people want to spend money to see your movie?

Why don't they take a lesson from JJ Abrams and Disney in their approach to TFA...not knowing the plot, but teasing just enough in the trailers has led to huge interest in this movie!
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: Pete_Fett on December 14, 2015, 09:48 AM
Cryptic, SPOILERy plot synopsis of BvS re: Doomsday from the production designer...

Quote
"Doomsday isn't just the final act... We are able to tell a story in a fresh way. Doomsday is an evolution essentially. Fans may be aware of 'The Death of Superman' story, but this is handled in such a new way.

When the film is called Batman v or versus Superman, it really has a lot of levels to the meaning. Superman isn't just killed off at the end of something. We see how he evolves as part of Lex's plan to protect the world.

Seeing the Superman we know, be gone, and then replaced with this reproduction is really going to make fans think of how we look at these super beings. It was especially interesting to figure out, how would you create Superman from Zod... then how would that evolve into Doomsday."

I don't even know how to respond to that...

Not sure if this was part of an interview or not, but if it was, and I was the interviewer, I would have stopped him mid-statement and just said "please stop, don't you want at least SOMEONE to see this movie?"
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: BillCable on December 14, 2015, 10:58 AM
Why don't they take a lesson from JJ Abrams and Disney in their approach to TFA...not knowing the plot, but teasing just enough in the trailers has led to huge interest in this movie!

That's why Disney is Disney, and WB is WB.  I mean, even comparing it to Civil War - the Civil War trailer has a lot of plot points packed into it.  You get a very good idea what the movie will entail.  But it still hyped me the hell up.  So being entirely cloak-and-dagger isn't necessarily the magic formula.

I wonder if the BvS folks have just sat on their completed product for so long that they can't help but dribble out info at every opportunity.

But just taking this production designer's statements at face value - the mind boggles.  Is he saying Supes is killed-off mid-movie?  Or disappears or something?  He's implying Doomsday takes Superman's place, and then Batman has to go all versus on the new-improved clone of Superman.  Except it's a clone of Zod.  It's just lunacy.  My brain hurts trying to make sense of it.
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: Phrubruh on December 14, 2015, 12:29 PM
Is there a giant mechanical spider in it?
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: Matt_Fury on December 14, 2015, 02:44 PM
Bill,

First off, great apples to apples comparison with Civil War...just wanted to give credit where credit is due.

Second, I don't think you should hurt yourself trying to figure out what the director was trying to say about the plot.  I think they have seen the reaction to the trailer and he's trying to back-peddle in hopes of someone actually going to go and see this piece of crap in the theater.
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: Diddly on December 14, 2015, 04:57 PM
Supposedly Hollywood keeps spoiling plots in trailers because it actually BOOSTS ticket sales. Their logic is that they know the diehards will go see it regardless and they need to find a way to get Joe McDouche (who would rather be watching MMA in his too tight Affliction shirt) and Lyndsey McBasic (who would rather be taking a selfie with her queso and breakfast tacos) to see it. And apparently spoiling the plot works.
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: JediJman on December 17, 2015, 09:03 AM
Oh boy.  I half expect this movie to go straight to DVD...
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: Jeff on February 25, 2016, 09:57 AM
Citing “sequences of violence,” the Motion Picture Association of America’s Classification and Ratings Administration has awarded the “Ultimate Edition” home video version of Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice with a R rating. (http://www.bleedingcool.com/2016/02/24/batman-v-superman-goes-r-rated-for-home-video-release/)

Yep, because when I think "Superman", I automatically think R-rating level of violence.

Ugh.  I really, really wish there was a way for Hollywood to give us a "World's Greatest Detective" Batman and not another new iterations of "beat the living **** out of bad guys" Angry Batman.   :-\

Zero chance I take my kids to this movie now...  better to just show them 60s Adam West Batman and 70s Christopher Reeves Superman instead.  :P
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: BillCable on February 25, 2016, 11:21 AM
I'm waiting for reviews before I decide if I'm gonna see it, but I think the theater version will only contain PG-13 levels of violence.
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: JediJman on February 25, 2016, 06:30 PM
Is/was this out in theaters or did it go straight to DVD? 

I am only half kidding.
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: jedipurge on March 9, 2016, 02:22 PM
the more violence the better   >:D

I'm one of those bad parents, took my 15 yo girl and 8 yo boy to see deadpool on Vday.

I just want to see people with abnormal/super abilities use them is all.
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: Qui-Gon Jim on March 10, 2016, 11:53 AM
You took an 8YO to Deadpool?  Sheesh.
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: JediJman on March 10, 2016, 01:23 PM
Yeah, my 9yo wants to see Deadpool and it wasn't even a discussion.  I'm still not ready to show him stuff like Terminator or Aliens.
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: jedipurge on March 11, 2016, 01:09 PM
You took an 8YO to Deadpool?  Sheesh.

hahaha ya I know  :-[
good thing the wife wasn't there, once she sees how bad it was i'll probably be banned from taking them to the movies.

but REALLY there was only like 2 scenes that eyes needed to be covered. the strip bar and sx scene.

everything else was pretty much, besides language, no worse then whats seen on walking dead. and watching that has become Sunday family night.
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: JediJman on March 21, 2016, 02:55 PM
So, just scored a bunch of tickets to this for an early showing on Wednesday night for the MN crew...complete with free popcorn, Dr. Pepper, and a collectible steel pint glass.  I'm far more excited about this movie when it costs $0 and comes with free food/swag.   ;)
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: BillCable on March 21, 2016, 03:02 PM
I'm interested in hearing reviews from people who aren't emotionally invested in the movie being a huge hit.  I've been reading a whole lot of "OMG THIS IS THE BEST MOVIE EVER" stuff from people I know are huge DC fanboys (and who didn't think MoS was a crapfest).  It's coming across as a bit desperate.
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: JediJman on March 21, 2016, 03:58 PM
I'm interested in hearing reviews from people who aren't emotionally invested in the movie being a huge hit.  I've been reading a whole lot of "OMG THIS IS THE BEST MOVIE EVER" stuff from people I know are huge DC fanboys (and who didn't think MoS was a crapfest).  It's coming across as a bit desperate.

I like the characters and want it to be good, but don't have high hopes.  I'll try to post a few thoughts Wed night.
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: evenflow on March 21, 2016, 07:51 PM
I think the R rating for the home release is the only thing that will save this movie. I wish the Marvel movies had done it like the Marvel Netflix shows.
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: BillCable on March 23, 2016, 11:53 AM
Sadly, 40% on Rotten Tomatoes (http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/batman_v_superman_dawn_of_justice/reviews/) means I'll be saving my money and waiting for Netflix.  Sounds like it's about on par with what I expected after Man of Steel.  DC/WB really needs to launch Snyder into orbit and retool.  Maybe build up their TV universe and use that to launch some feature films.
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: JediJman on March 23, 2016, 12:26 PM
Sadly, 40% on Rotten Tomatoes (http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/batman_v_superman_dawn_of_justice/reviews/) means I'll be saving my money and waiting for Netflix.  Sounds like it's about on par with what I expected after Man of Steel.  DC/WB really needs to launch Snyder into orbit and retool.  Maybe build up their TV universe and use that to launch some feature films.

I'm one of the last people to stand in defense of this movie, but it doesn't even come out until later this week and critics are rarely kind to scify/action/superhero material.  Maybe give it a few days for some of the genpop reaction to come in.
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: BillCable on March 23, 2016, 01:11 PM
Man of Steel managed 56% positive, and I thought it was terrible.  Reading the reviews so far, it looks like BvS makes many of the same mistakes that bothered me in MoS.  Even the positives have qualifiers.  They talk about "great moments" that make it "worth" sitting through everything else.  I have no desire to sit through 2 hours and 15 minutes of grating garbage for 15 assorted minutes that make me say "Ooooooooo!"

Sure, I'm kinda biased as I was severely disappointed with MoS.  Fool me once...
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Post by: Diddly on March 23, 2016, 01:57 PM
Some highlights from various reviews:

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As with Man of Steel and The Watchmen (no ludicrous sex scenes in this jam, at least), this movie is relentlessly grim and gritty and resolutely No Fun Whatsoever, every line intoned with Desdemonian gravitas, every falling bullet casing memorialized with its own slow-mo funereal aria. (At one point, the Army fires a big-ass cannon, and that shell also falls to the ground in super-slow motion.)

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An even less charitable way to put it is that a clearly excited 7- or 8-year-old kid sitting in front of me busted out crying and had to be whisked out of the theater by his father within the first five minutes....I felt really terrible for that kid immediately, and was mildly envious of him two hours and 25 minutes later.

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This sort of nonsense nonetheless qualifies as an early highlight; the most suspenseful part of the first half of this movie was when I was trying to open my giant bag of Reese’s Pieces without detection. (No spoilers.)

Not-Cera as Luthor is getting a bashing in reviews too. This movie should be a win-win either way, if it's good it's good, or it will be one of those amusing trainwrecks.
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: Nicklab on March 23, 2016, 02:13 PM
I thought that Man of Steel was an interesting way to re-launch the Superman franchise.  Especially with the Kryptonian tie-ins.  Had Warners been able to bring Christian Bale and Christopher Nolan fully on board, and able to mesh the Dark Knight storyline into this new DCCU, I think it would have been very cool.

I'm skeptical about relaunching Batman after the Nolan DK trilogy of films.  I think that doing this after the kind of success and acclaim that those films had would put any reboot under the microscope.  Especially in light of what we saw in the 1990's with a succession of three different actors as Batman.  Sorry Ben Affleck, but the screwups of Joel Schumacher, Val Kilmer and George Clooney complete with Bat-nipples are yours to bear as this  character gets rebooted yet again.

As for a dark/grim reality in these films?  I don't know that modern comic genre films always requires that sort of tone.  The first Captain America film and the first couple of Iron Man films didn't really need that sort of atmosphere.  And the advanced pace at which WB is trying to establish a cohesive DC Cinematic Universe?  I think that is very much Warner Brothers trying to keep up in a comic book movie arms race, rather than taking some time to further establish their characters on their own.  Oh, and the DC comics TV show characters don't mesh with this cinematic universe?  Great!!!!!!!!!!

All of that being said, I *KIND OF* want to see the movie, but I don't know if I'm even going to check it out at a matinee.  It's probably going to be on HBO by the summer time.
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: Brian on March 23, 2016, 02:44 PM
It definitely seems like reviews have been average at best. We are going this weekend, and I'm looking forward to seeing it, but the reviews I've read seem to highlight some of my biggest fears about this movie and DC's "universe". Top of the list: no fun. Most of the reviews I've seen, while highlighting some high parts, but consistently mention that it isn't "fun". I'll admit that I've grown up a Marvel fan, but enjoy DC as well and want them to make good movies as well, but it just seems like they are so insistent on being "not Marvel" that they actively avoid good ideas.

To me, superhero movies -with few exceptions- should be fun and uplifting. It is escapism after all, and people shouldn't walk out of a Justice League movie feeling depressed. I've also seen it mentioned that when the Trinity does unite in BVS, it is sort of underwhelming because there isn't any history between the characters. Which is why Marvel built their way up to Avengers, Civil War, etc. I feel like DC doesn't want to wait that long so they are pushing it all into one movie. One other thing sort of unrelated to this that irritates me is their decision to not cross over their TV/movie properties. The Flash is probably my favorite show these days and so well done, and i would love to see that version of the character cross over to the movies (not to mention other characters like Arrow, Canary, Atom, etc.) Another example of having a "Marvel did it, so we won't" attitude.

That said, we have tickets for Saturday, and I am looking forward to seeing it. Hopefully my fears are unfounded and it's a great time.
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: EdSolo on March 23, 2016, 03:15 PM
Some highlights from various reviews:



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An even less charitable way to put it is that a clearly excited 7- or 8-year-old kid sitting in front of me busted out crying and had to be whisked out of the theater by his father within the first five minutes....I felt really terrible for that kid immediately, and was mildly envious of him two hours and 25 minutes later.



As my 8 year old wants to see this, I wonder what made this one cry.

I think DC just has gone way too grim and dark with their universe.  I have to wonder if Justice League will be the uplifting one where the superheros come together to save the world.  I have much more interest in Civil War than this movie, especially after Man of Steel.  This has an interesting concept of Batman wondering if Superman is a hero or a potential destroyer, but I feel we have seen the entire movie in trailers.  I also don't like the direction they are going.  Everyone has wanted to see Batman vs. Superman, but now you introduce the oldest Batman to date, with an unknown fate for Robin.  At this point, I would almost prefer a live action version of the old Challenge of the Super Friends with the Legion of Doom.
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Post by: GrandMoffNick on March 23, 2016, 11:08 PM
Not nearly as bad as I expected. I'll leave it at that for now.
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: JediJman on March 24, 2016, 11:55 AM
Posted this in the local MN section, but thought I would share thoughts here as well.  Go see it.


I went into this movie with pretty low expectations. but I liked it. 

The Tone: Yes, it is dark and gray and rainy and serious throughout most of the film. They used slow motion walking or bullet casings falling to the ground to emphasize the seriousness, but it wasn't overdone in my opinion.  It's just more serious than campy - a lot like the Nolan Batman films in that way.  I'm sure they wanted to keep the tone from previous DC movies and differentiate from what Marvel is doing.  But there were 2-3 funny lines in the movie as well that got smiles out of me.

The Characters:  I like the casting for all the heroes.  Had my doubts about Ben, but he pulled off a grim Batman really well.  Gadot's Wonder Woman is awesome and I left wanting to know more about her character.  Eisenberg's Luthor comes off as more of a combination of Lex and The Joker.  I always envisioned Lex as a lot more like Tony Stark - super smart, super rich, super arrogant, super greedy.  He's all that, but also completely mental.  Its cool to find out how he is manipulating things, but feel like there should have been more of a clear motive behind his actions other than just messing with the heroes.  Background characters like Lois, Alfred, Perry, Martha Kent were all great in their supporting roles.

The Storyline: Unlike Nick, I totally bought into why Clark and Bruce find themselves on opposing sides.  Batman sees massive destruction from Superman's battles and is personally impacted by it.  He is worried about anyone having that much power with no checks in place.  He's a vigilante too, but innocents get killed in Superman's battles and he struggles to relate to that. As a reporter, Clark sees how vicious Batman is with the bad guys.  His whole concept is striking fear into people, which is very alien (and wrong) for Supes. Great contrasting between the two philosophies right down to taking time to show Superman in love vs. Batman not even contemplating an heir to the Wayne estate.  They pepper in Wonder Woman really well too - she's a smaller part of the overall story, but not forced in.  It's a long movie (2.5 hours), but almost all of the scenes were worthwhile and contributed to the story.

The Action:
Say whatever you want about all the other aspects of this movie - if you didn't like the fight scenes then you're a soulless hater who should be banned from ever seeing another action film.  Every single fight scene was ridiculously fun.  The Batmobile is kick butt awesome and Bats uses that bat-cable trick like he's Spiderman.  The final brawl at the end is crazy good.  I didn't understand everyone's power set, but they captured the slugfest/light show perfectly from wide shots to the close ups. 

What could have been better:  I really didn't care for Bruce's dream sequences.  I get why they were included, and they were fun to see by themselves, but it really disrupts the flow of the movie.  Lex is just weird as a bad guy.  I would have liked a more polished, less crazy Luthor and more explanation for his motives.  Maybe he's more of a lunatic in the comics - my interpretation of him is more like the Lex from Smallville.  The Justice League setup is a little overdone.  Can't say more without spoiling things, but the setup for another movie was a little more heavy handed than it needed to be.  I would have liked a happier ending too.

Overall, I'd give this movie an 8 out of 10 after expecting about a 5.  I will definitely see it again at some point.  For those that care about the stats, its worth noting that while the Tomatometer is at just 33%, the 124,000 audience ratings have it at 79%.  Don't wait around for the credits - there is no extra footage.
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: GrandMoffNick on March 24, 2016, 05:07 PM
A general disliking of each other based off what Justin said I'd get. The absolute vitriol is too much.

As I've gotten more time to think about this movie I really think I liked it. Not just didn't think it terrible.I'd have laughed in your face if you told me that'd be the case 24 hours ago
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Post by: Pete_Fett on March 24, 2016, 11:38 PM
I agree with every single word of what Justin posted. I was coming here to give the same opinions and he beat me to it.

I will add that I think if you go in expecting it to be a 5 (or less) then you will not come out disappointed, because it will exceed your low expectations.
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: Matt_Fury on March 25, 2016, 05:08 PM
From the reviews I've read so far, the casting is good...their performances are, for the most part, bad and the story is horrendous.

Trying to jam everything into one movie to try and create a DC cinematic universe ruins the movie.

They need to take the Marvel/Disney approach and build up the DCCU over time...too bad the people in charge don't see that.
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: Phrubruh on March 25, 2016, 06:28 PM
By the time DC got their DCCU together, the super hero thing will be over.
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: Diddly on March 26, 2016, 04:01 AM
First off there is no post credits scene

I really wanted to like this movie, I really did, but there is just so much bad in this movie that outweighs the good. It felt like they had 2 hours to write the script before they had to turn it in and had come up with 800 ideas during a brainstorming session involving marijuana and just decided to go with everything. The pacing and editing were all over the place, and there was just way too much going on. Also, the ENTIRE MOVIE was spoiled by the second trailer. Imagine how badass the Wonder Woman debut would have been had we not known it was coming? Or the Luthor one-liners and general craziness, which wasn't even really explained anyway? Ugh, whatever company was in charge of marketing this movie deserves to go out of business. It's a textbook case to other studios of how to NOT put everything in the trailer and leave some elements of surprise.

Some random thoughts (spoilers apply):

- LOVED Affleck as Batman. Someone involved in this movie obviously played the Arkham video games because the Batman fight scenes were straight out of them. Alfred was great too. Seriously, I'd watch a Batman movie with those two. In fact, I really did enjoy the whole cast
- The one thing I disliked about Batman, why was he killing and using guns?
- The soundtrack was FANTASTIC, probably the best part of the movie
- They did a horrible job with the "Martha" thing. I get that compassion for his mother is what made Batman realize that Superman is human, but the way it played out sounded like "Our moms have the same name, let's go play!"
- What was with the random spread eagle shot of Wonder Woman on her back after spending the whole movie trying not to sexualize her?
- Zack Snyder REALLY wanted us to see Amy Adam's boobs
- The cameos would have made a perfect post credits scene... Flash, Aquaman and Cyborg have less screen time combined than Luke in TFA. And then there's the photo of Chris Pine imitating Captain America. Weird.

I dunno... I need to sleep on it, and I might need to see it again anyway since there was a doofus couple next to me laughing and commentating on everything that happened
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: BillCable on March 26, 2016, 08:50 AM
Looks like you're not alone in your dissatisfaction.  BvS came in with a "B" CinemaScore.  That puts it a notch below Sacha Baron Cohen's The Brothers Grimsby and on par with Dirty Grandpa and The Divergent Series: Allegiant.
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: JediJman on March 26, 2016, 11:19 AM
I believe Batman is supposed to be more like Miller's dark Knight.  If he isn't using guns and beating the tar out of criminals, Superman wouldn't have a beef with him.  You can't have it both ways.  People expecting to see the Avengers with DC heroes will be very disappointed.  People going to see a fun action flick without predisposed notions of critics bad reviews should have a fun time.
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: Qui-Gon Jim on March 26, 2016, 11:45 PM
Not bad, not good. I liked WW and Doomsday. Hate, HATE Lois Lane. Can we put her in a plane with Pepper Potts and send it back and forth over the Bermuda Triangle until it disappears?

This was meh, and Warner spent a lot of money to get "meh" in return.

I'll bet this has a big drop next week. In a month, we'll be talking about Warner's DC plans scaling back.
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Post by: Darby on March 27, 2016, 12:48 AM
The drop off will be everything. The reviews suggest a MASSIVE drop off once everyone's seen it. Could be wrong as there does seem to be a very vocal group that loves this movie and maybe it has legs but the reality is for a film that is $400 million + in the production and marketing it will have to do a billion worldwide to break even given the split on theater takes, so... a nosedive going into a 2nd weekend will be an issue. That's particularly pressing since apparently the JL movie starts filming in a couple weeks. Anyways, all of this is academic as there will be a JL movie and maybe this movie keeps on going and going, but...

SPOILERS

My own quick take is I loved Ben Affleck, LOVED Wonder Woman, and pretty much hated everything else. Has absolutely no idea what movie it wants to be and spends a lot of time developing the groundwork for the battle between the heroes which it then discards for Superman to be blackmailed into fighting Batman. They never confront each other over their true differences, never connect over their shared values before the end, beyond a fairly touching moment where the film exploits one of the the greatest bits of nerd trivia in comics. And before Supes departs this mortal coil because Henry Cavil has the emotional register of a corpse anyways. The film was alternately glib, self serious, audacious, conservative, boring and exciting. Mostly boring.

Definitely some good ideas in there and flawed execution.
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Post by: evenflow on March 28, 2016, 12:13 AM
Went to see it Friday and really disliked it. I felt ridiculously long yet somehow rushed at the same time.

I hated the portrayal of Lex. Nothing redeeming about it for me.

And without revealing spoilers, the whole end scene between Batman and Superman was so abrupt and weak.
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: Scott on March 29, 2016, 11:24 AM
Saw it yesterday, generally liked it, generally disliked plot holes.  I loved the Justice League/Super Friends cartoons of yore and while I like them trying the build up to a Darkseid smackdown they just don't seem to be going at it the right way.  I don't like how Batman was basically ready to kill him and just conveniently didn't...I didn't like the Lois crap at the end.  Did like them tying in some of the Comic stuff from the Doomsday/Superman arc.

Someone said Legion of Doom...hell just give us that without all of the backstory.  Which is what i thought as they are presenting AGAIN the same damn Bruce Wayne's family gets killed outside the theater scene.   As kids we didn't need to know backstory.  As adults we don't need to know backstory nor do kids...just jump into a legendary throwdown between Super Heroes and Villains who live in a giant swamp Darth Vader helmet.

I also cannot believe that DC and Marvel are basically following the exact same arc (Civil War leading into a Thanos/Darkseid throwdown)   Marvel should make a Squadron Supreme movie just to **** with them, especially as Hyperion has become a little more Marvel mainstream.
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Post by: Sprry75 on March 31, 2016, 12:25 PM
I read all of the lousy reviews so I had pretty low expectations, but I really liked it. Way better than Man of Steel. Affleck was the bomb, yo. It was a pretty good comic book adaptation even if it wasn't a great movie.
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: 77Skywalker on April 5, 2016, 11:53 AM
Great action

Jesse Eisenberg was twisted as Lex Luthor

One moment in the film that really got lots of applause when I saw the movie was (SPOILER) when Gal Gadot made her entrance as Wonder Woman.
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: Nicklab on April 8, 2016, 12:29 PM
I saw this during the week and I've been digesting it.  Was this movie good?  Yes.  Was it great?  I'm not prepared to go quite that far.

I liked how Bruce Wayne/Batman's angle of the story was portrayed.  Personally, I'm still a little disappointed that they were unable to continue with the Christian Bale/Nolan parternership, but that's done.  All of that being said, I think that Affleck did a good job of portraying the character.  This iteration of Batman has clearly been at this for a long time.  He's suffered personally and has shut himself down to a degree because of the mounting personal toll.  And I think it's also led him to take an attitude of "fight for your life" where he has made the moral compromise that using deadly force can be justified in particular circumstances.  Batman's fighting style seemed updated and still very brutal.  Although there were points where he seemed a little too strong.

The setup for Batman's story arc seemed to parallel the way people reacted to the September 11th attacks.  There was a paradigm shift following a mass tragedy.   But in Bruce Wayne/Batman's mind, the threat was an alien who was so powerful that he could lay waste to cities.  And when he ran into that ash cloud to rescue people from Wayne Financial?  You could not help but see the parallels drawn by the falling of the World Trade Center in 2001.  Personally, that's something that doesn't sit well with me since I saw that ash cloud first hand on the day of that attack.  But it was nonetheless a powerful storytelling device.

As for Superman's end of the story?  The personal conflict is there, too.  Although he's presented with the notion of whether he should be this savior for humanity.  It's interesting to see that the relationship between him and Lois Lane has been accelerated.  And I think it was because of that relationship that Lex Luthor was able to figure out who Superman was, and how to attack the vulnerable points in his life like his girlfriend and mother.  Let's face it, too.  A different hairstyle and glasses are not going to cut it in maintaining a secret identity.  This is 2016, and facial recognition software would be able to tell anyone with a decent photo of Superman just who he really is.  I don't know that I would call that a "plot hole" (a term that I've come to find really irksome from the current generation of armchair film critics) as much as a dated aspect of the design of the Superman character.

Luthor was thoroughly douchey, although I suspect that was the intent.  He recognized the world changing aspect of having this Kryptonian tech on Earth and sought to gain control of it for his own ends.  Hence the acquisition of the Kryptonite, and the move to experiment on Zod's body and get access to the scout ship.  As for the creation of Doomsday?  I have to plead some ignorance since I've never really been a DC guy.  Doomsday seemed like a major global threat.  This certainly provided the right moment for Superman to team up with Batman and Wonder Woman.  And Luthor's files on the other "meta humans" seemed like an interesting way to introduce a range of characters without a full slate of origin stories.

And then there were the critics and the reviews.  I think that a lot of them set out to compare this movie to something else, whether it was the Nolan Batman trilogy or the Marvel Cinematic Universe, or previous Superman projects, or whatever else.  Was that fair to THIS project?  Probably not.  But that's the studio's cross to bear when they seem so intent to regularly reboot these properties because they don't have a solid grasp on creating a big picture universe that can involve these characters who regularly cross over into one another's storylines.

Then there are the genre film fans.  And I think there are some that have clearly chosen sides in the decades old DC vs Marvel school of thought.  As far as movies go, Marvel has had the more solid footing in terms of crafting a movie & TV universe that has tied things together in a somewhat cohesive fashion.  And they've been pretty successful, despite a number of early missteps.  I think the MCU combined with fans who aggressively use social media made for a climate where it was going to be tough for a DC cinematic universe launch to be successful.  At least tougher than when the first Iron Man film came out.  Launching a comic movie universe when there's no competition is one thing.  Launching a second movie universe when one has been in existance for close to 10 years (with a number of films that have further developed those characters) makes for an uphill battle for the new venture.  Looking at "Dawn of Justice" on it's own, I think it's okay.  But when the comparisons with the MCU start coming in?  It's going to get heated.  And I really think that's been one of the root causes for the hostility towards this project.
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: BillCable on April 8, 2016, 02:45 PM
I don't think it's bias.  I think it's because the movie is badly written and badly edited.  Man of Steel was badly written.  Not only was it untrue to the character (admittedly subjective), it had glaring logic gaps (completely objective).  And from the reviews I read of BvS, that movie was even worse in that regard.
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: Nicklab on April 8, 2016, 04:16 PM
So... you didn't see it, but still feel comfortable making the statement that it was badly written and badly edited?  Okay.

I will agree with the reviewers on one point:  the movie took a good goddamned long time to get moving anywhere because of the mantra of "ORIGIN.  REPEAT.  REINFORCE".   And there was a lot of groundwork that was getting laid out in advance of the climax of the film.  A lot of the reviews I read expressed confusion over how the story was proceeding.  Personally, I didn't get that impression.  I also got the sense from a number of reviewers that they were explicitly comparing this project to the Marvel Cinematic Universe.

Almost every review has avoided the big point in the movie.  That being the martyrdom aspect.  Superman has made himself a target following his showdown with Zod and the other Kryptonians that laid waste to much of Metropolis, killing thousands.  He was horrified by the fact that he had to kill Zod in order to end that threat.  He has responded by helping those in need around the world, including his new girlfriend.  He went before the U.S. Senate to answer for his actions, only to be the target of an attack disguised as a suicide bombing.  And eventually Superman sacrificed himself to end the Doomsday threat.  I certainly found there to be some significant character development for a character who is struggling to come to grips with his all powerful nature, and his intentions to do good.

I thought the nightmare sequence with the parademons and the Superman cult was interesting.  And it came across to me like a cross between Batman's fears of a world dominated by Superman combined with the threat that his presence will draw to the planet.
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: BillCable on April 9, 2016, 10:05 PM
So... you didn't see it, but still feel comfortable making the statement that it was badly written and badly edited?  Okay.

Nope - I was pretty clear in my message.  MoS was badly written based on my personal experience.  And the vast majority of critics said BvS was badly written and edited.  I made no personal determination about BvS.  But thanks for being a dick about it.
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: Nicklab on April 10, 2016, 07:13 AM
It's not meant to be dickish.  I get the sense that a lot of critics went into BvS with a lot of preconceived notions.  Whether it was about the director, or the actors, or the release date being pushed back from last summer to this spring.  If you want to judge the film?  At least do it the service of seeing it, unless of course you have a solid track record of trusting the way some specific film critics review movies.
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: BillCable on April 10, 2016, 09:15 AM
In many of the reviews I read, the reviewers earnestly expressed the hope that they'd love the film.  Some of these guys are huge comic book geeks.  I myself wished it was a great film.  So I don't buy the story that critics went in with an eye towards trashing the film.  I think that's something DC fanboys are trying to push as an excuse - that their good film was sabotaged by dishonest reviews.  29% on Rotten Tomatoes contradicts that.
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: Scockery on April 11, 2016, 10:55 PM
Saw it last week and enjoyed it.  Surprising, since I thought Man of Steel was kinda so-so.

Someone said this is  mediocre movie with a good movie trying to get out of it. That's maybe fair. I think the R-rated cut or longer cut will redeem it more, though....at some point Zack Snyder racked up a hate tab with nerds and critics that's gonna stick with him. But hey, so did Michael Bay and he's still going.

In regards to Marvel comparisons. "This is just a set-up for Justice league" Well, that's what the title implies.
I mean Captain America First Avenger felt like a going-through-the-motions prequel to the Avengers.  BvS seemed like a condensed adaptation of a multi-issue comic book story (like the Watchmen movie was, but messier here), and to a degree Age of Ultron felt like that too, with less subplots.

I was most surprised that I liked Affleck's Batman.

Spoiler comment:
Why are Gotham City and Metropolis so close to each other?
The future dream sequence was awesome.
If you haven't seen it yet, find the released cut scene with Luthor is about to get arrested. It sheds light on his ending rant a bit more.
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: BillCable on April 12, 2016, 08:03 AM
Why are Gotham City and Metropolis so close to each other?

I think they're like Manhattan and Jersey.

According to this, Gotham is in Jersey, and Metropolis is in Delaware - which is HILARIOUS.

(http://static6.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/11118/111181846/4002838-1922527284-tumbl.jpg)
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: Scockery on April 12, 2016, 05:49 PM
I'd heard Gotham = NYC and Metropolis is Chicago or midwest. But NYC exists in DC?

Keystone City should be in the Keystone state...Pennsylvania,
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: BillCable on April 12, 2016, 10:20 PM
I'd heard Gotham = NYC and Metropolis is Chicago or midwest.

That's what I used to think as well.  But either that's been retconned, or we were mistaken.

What's more confusing is that Metropolis was clearly NYC in the Donner films.
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: Scockery on April 12, 2016, 10:36 PM
It does make more sense for Metropolis to be on the east coast, but just a supervillain toss away from Gotham City?

And  that map says Metropolis has 70,000 people? That's not large enough for a major metropolitan newspaper or well, major anything.
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: Jeff on April 19, 2016, 03:52 PM
Another former Spider-Man Universe cast member joins the DCU - Willem Dafoe Will Play a 'Good Guy' in the Justice League Movie (http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/justice-league-adds-willem-dafoe-880889)
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: Scockery on April 20, 2016, 09:09 PM
See there, if these DC movies are so awful, why are a-list actors signing on board?

Oh, right, money.

Now Morgan Freeman needs to jump ship to Marvel...as The Watcher (FAN BOYS LOSE IT).
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: EdSolo on April 21, 2016, 06:59 AM
I'd heard Gotham = NYC and Metropolis is Chicago or midwest.

That's what I used to think as well.  But either that's been retconned, or we were mistaken.

What's more confusing is that Metropolis was clearly NYC in the Donner films.

If Metropolis was supposed to be in Delaware, they clearly screwed up, since Wilmington, DE would make a much better Gotham considering the immense crime rate and general look of the city.  Superman would have cleaned it up by now, but they could clearly use Batman.
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: Nicklab on August 3, 2016, 06:07 AM
Not sure if Suicide Squad belongs in this thread, but here it goes...

I've been hearing that Warner Brothers has been hoping that Suicide Squad could really help to bolster the DC Cinematic Universe.  But it seems that the initial reviews for Suicide Squad (http://variety.com/2016/film/news/suicide-squad-reviews-1201828718/) are not that good.

So how are fans responding?  They've started a petition to shut down Rotten Tomatoes (http://www.ew.com/article/2016/08/02/suicide-squad-reviews-rotten-tomatoes-petition).  Seriously?!?!?  The concept behind Rotten Tomatoes is to bring together a wide range of reviews to provide an average score from a range of reviewers.  The very notion of this petition is beyond ridiculous.
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: BillCable on August 3, 2016, 07:54 AM
That petition is freakin' hilarious.
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: Jeff on August 3, 2016, 10:00 AM
But it seems that the initial reviews for Suicide Squad (http://variety.com/2016/film/news/suicide-squad-reviews-1201828718/) are not that good.

Even the "good" reviews on RT aren't that good.  Most of the good reviews say things like "The movie is, on paper, a disaster. It is, in execution, a mess. It’s never really fun (but it’s also not relentlessly grim and bleak like BvS), but it’s… watchable? And it has those four performances that really make a difference." (http://birthmoviesdeath.com/2016/08/02/suicide-squad-is-a-huge-mess)

It sounds like strong performances from Will Smith, Margot Robbie, Viola Davis, and Jay Hernandez (and to some degree Ben Affleck) are so good it's worth seeing at some point...  probably not going to see it in theaters, but I'm sure I'll redbox it or watch it when it hits pay cable at some point. ;)
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: EdSolo on August 3, 2016, 01:45 PM
Aren't these just critics reviews at this point?  The recent trend is to be that the general public and the critics have had opposing reviews on rotten tomatoes.
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: Darby on August 3, 2016, 02:13 PM
Well, there's always been a divide between critics and audiences in general when it comes to blockbusters. That goes back a very long time. For example, Roger Ebert - not exactly a fan of the big dumb action movie - once famously dismantled a French film critic who dismissed Star Wars on Nightline in 1983. I think the discourse now has become intwined with this concept of fan ownership that manifests in both positive (getting a show renewed i.e. Star Trek) and negative (Ghostbros).

Here you have a very sizable block of fandom that has not seen a movie invalidating the opinions of people who have. Judgement as always should be reserved and beauty is in the eye of the beholder, but the facts on the ground seem to indicate WB does not have the same handle on making their own movies that Marvel does. This is a huge bummer for a lot of reasons. Chief among them is that WB has had the rights to the entire DC universe forever and done nothing with them. They watch Marvel scrap together a box office dynasty and now they run to try and catch up, throwing whatever will stick to the wall. That said, I am looking forward to Suicide Squad and Wonder Woman. I hope they work and they're enjoyable and they lead to more, better movies.
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: BillCable on August 3, 2016, 10:13 PM
The reviews seem consistent in declaring the plot and script are garbage.  So that's evidence enough that I'll hate it.  No number of funny one-liners or glorious visuals can make me enjoy a film that fails at storytelling. 
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: Nicklab on August 4, 2016, 06:22 AM
Going into this whole conversation I've got to be upfront about having been much more of a Marvel guy than a DC guy when I was actively reading/collecting comics.  I did read some DC titles back around the time when they had the Crisis on Infinite Earths storyline running, but it was a short run for me.  I just found Marvel characters to be a bit more accessible.

While I did go to see Batman V Superman in the theater, the general feeling coming out of that film was just kind of a downer.  And mind you, I thought that Man of Steel was an interesting reboot of Superman following Superman Returns.  But I had very mixed feelings about rebooting Batman after we had such a solid trilogy of films in the Nolan-Bale movies.  As for the Suicide Squad team?  I barely knew who any of them were, to be honest.  Yes, the Joker is in there.  I thought that I knew who Deadshot was, but I think I actually mistook him for Deathstroke.  I never really had any experience reading books with Harley Quinn.  And I always saw Killer Croc and Captain Boomerang as third tier villains.  I really don't know any of the other characters. 

The general concept of the story seemed interesting.  A team of bad guys that the government can use for the purposes, and if they die so what?  Conceptually it sounds interesting.  But I just don't feel into spending the money to see this in a theater now after these reviews.  Now, in the case of an MCU film like Ant-Man?  I barely knew anything about Scott Lang as Ant-Man, and very little about Hank Pym in that role.  I knew a bit more about the Wasp.  But generally speaking, when I went into that movie I had concerns that Ant-Man might have been the movie where the Marvel Cinematic Universe jumped the shark and things fell off.  Especially considering director Edgar Wright getting fired from the project.  But I knew that up until that point Disney/Marvel studios under Kevin Feige's guidance have been good stewards of the Marvel material.  So I took a chance even though I was a little skeptical about the character, and I went to see Ant-Man.  I turned out being pleasantly surprised because the story, characters and actors won me over.  And the MCU has just built on Ant-Man in a cool way with Captain America - Civil War.  I just don't get the sense based on everything I'm reading that Warner Brothers and the DCCU is going to win me over.  I'm not really interested in the Wonder Woman movie.  Maybe I'll check out Justice League.  But it's telling to me that I'm far more interested in the production images that have been released from Thor - Ragnarok, which won't be released for quite a while than a project that's in theaters now.
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: Diddly on August 8, 2016, 11:39 PM
Just got back from Suicide Squad. Maybe it's because I was expecting a BvS level bomb but I didn't actually hate it. Although I'd be okay with never seeing it again. I was mostly... bored with it? It was basically 90 minutes of walking around, with an additional 30 minutes of bad fighting and some random Joker scenes.

The pacing was all over the place. Seriously, they should have just given us a booklet with all of the team members and their traits and saved 10 minutes of screen time. The music was ridiculous too, using every cliche rock song from the past 40 years. It's like someone from DC watched Guardians of the Galaxy and completely missed the point. Then there were too many characters, main plot felt like an Avengers ripoff, etc.

I would have had them just be told to steal some weapons or something from Wayne Enterprises since Waller was a bad guy anyway. Would have made the post credits scene make more sense as to why Batman wanted to keep tabs on them. Simpler plot, and gives the characters more time to be developed rather than just having us be expected to know who these people are already (or think we can read flash cards in 5 seconds)
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: jedipurge on August 9, 2016, 10:05 AM
I've been looking forward to this so hopefully I haven't ruined it for myself be reading what seems to be negative reviews. I let the bad hype/review of BvS stop me from seeing it in the theater and after have watched already at least 4 times on blu ray/digital I regret not seeing it in all its cinematic glory on the big screen. I loved BvS. I do wish there was a little more Superman in the movie but I get that BvS was more of an introduction of Affleck Batman without just making a straight Batman movie.

So that said I'm seeing Suicide Squad after work today and hoping for the best.
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: Dave on August 11, 2016, 05:35 PM
What did people think about the Suicide Squad movie? 

I'm not a comic book guy and don't have a bias one way or the other. 

It seems the pre-release buzz was good, but the score on Rotten Tomatoes is terrible.

Worth seeing or not?
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: Jesse James on August 11, 2016, 06:41 PM
I'm hearing a little of both...  My kids saw it, love DC stuff, and thought it was good. 

Perhaps a little too much pre-release hype.
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: Matt_Fury on August 12, 2016, 11:41 AM
The reviews from suicide squad I have heard is that it suffers from the same issues that Batman vs Superman had...DC is trying to accomplish in three movies what Marvel took a few years and several movies to build.  The result is a movie that is well cast, but is just a narrative mess.
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: BillCable on August 12, 2016, 01:09 PM
Open letter from a former WB employee to the studio regarding DC movies. (http://www.pajiba.com/think_pieces/an-open-letter-to-warner-bros-ceo-kevin-tsujihara-about-layoffs-zack-snyder-and-donuts.php)
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: jedipurge on August 12, 2016, 01:20 PM
i think it was overhyped. it was a good movie don't get me wrong, but at the same time nothing spectacular. just an action flick. didn't have anything to do with moving the DC movie story along, very much a stand alone movie. slight mention of Superman being dead and a short scene on Batman. the end credit scene was the only thing that involved moving DC story forward. it didn't leave me hoping/wondering when they're going to make Suicide Squad 2 and really don't think a Harley Quinn movie is needed, even though Robbie is so freakin hot. action sequences were good story was pretty smooth character development was ok considering how many characters there were. I prefer Ledger Joker over Leto Joker. Ledger Joker wanted to watch Gotham burn and him be the match. Leto Joker seems like he wanted to rule Gotham. Too much glam to Leto Joker vs. Ledger Joker. But still a good performance.
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: McMetal on August 12, 2016, 01:50 PM
Open letter from a former WB employee to the studio regarding DC movies. (http://www.pajiba.com/think_pieces/an-open-letter-to-warner-bros-ceo-kevin-tsujihara-about-layoffs-zack-snyder-and-donuts.php)

That is epic!
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: Scockery on August 18, 2016, 12:18 AM
I saw Suicide Squad...finally. (Anything after opening weekend is forever in fanboy terms).

It was okay. I think the rumors that the studio butchered it are true but the director has to play along. You rewatch the trailers and see how scenes got shortened or omitted.

I don't know what they spent all the $175 million budget on. A few helicopter crashes and CGI monsters? Will Smith, yeah. That, too. Having him as Deadshot got people in the seats, but unbalanced the the concept of a team movie towards his character.

Probably the weakest of the comic book movies I've seen this year, but they've all been underwhelming.
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: Nicklab on August 18, 2016, 04:57 AM
Jared Leto held a Q&A session recently and basically stated that he felt like he was tricked into playing the Joker (http://www.ign.com/articles/2016/08/16/joker-actor-jared-leto-reportedly-feels-he-was-tricked-into-suicide-squad) in Suicide Squad.  He also went on to state that he shot enough footage for an entire movie, but the reality is that the Joker was only in Suicide Squad for some 15 minutes.

Just WTF is Warner Brothers/DC doing?  As much as I'd like some diversity in the realm of comic book films, I think that my strong feelings in favor of the whole Marvel Cinematic Universe continue to be validated by the missteps of these other studios.  There's some really strong source material with DC, just as there is with X-Men and Fantastic Four.  But when it comes to translating these properties into film franchises, what the hell are these studios thinking?
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: Scockery on August 19, 2016, 08:08 PM
Overthinking them.

Fantastic Four is not about body-horror. Dr. Doom is not part of their origin. Or shouldn't be.

How many times when an X-Men movie is released some one says "This is the real beginning of the X-Men" like it was every time before.

The Nolan Batman films were mostly good, but wrote a realism check that half of Batman's mythos cannot cash (even Catwoman felt silly in the third one), and new DC filmverse can't decide whether it wants to deposit that check or tear it in two.

Deadpool seemed to work, they didn't muck him up too much...the second time (X-Men Origins Wolverine). I say seemed, because I'm not that familiar with him.

Studios hiring  talented, up and coming directors then getting cold feet and re-edit the film, shoot new scenes, etc.

In regards to Leto and Suicide Squad, I don't know how much of a report of a report I believe. There's so much crap piled on the film.
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: P-Siddy on August 19, 2016, 11:21 PM
Plus Leto has admitted to have not seen the movie, so I wish he'd see it before commenting.
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: Sprry75 on August 23, 2016, 04:28 PM
Blech. Suicide Squad sucked. I'll take comic book absurdity in comic book movies as long as you're not trying to cram down some sort of gritty realism.

That movie was so dumb.

It is cool and worth seeing, a little bit, but you can't do bull**** realism with silly comic book conventions. Oh really? a bomb would solve the problems but bombs need weirdo family friendly villains. It was dumb. I liked it, but it was so dumb. Pick a horse and ride it.
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: 77Skywalker on August 26, 2016, 10:07 PM
Plus Leto has admitted to have not seen the movie, so I wish he'd see it before commenting.

I still kind of like Heath Ledger's Joker more.
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: Nicklab on January 31, 2017, 09:14 AM
VARIETY:  Ben Affleck Will Not Direct ‘The Batman’ (EXCLUSIVE) (http://variety.com/2017/film/news/ben-affleck-the-batman-will-not-direct-1201971566/)

More turmoil in the DC cinematic universe?  I can't say that I'm shocked.
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: JediJman on January 31, 2017, 09:24 AM
VARIETY:  Ben Affleck Will Not Direct ‘The Batman’ (EXCLUSIVE) (http://variety.com/2017/film/news/ben-affleck-the-batman-will-not-direct-1201971566/)

More turmoil in the DC cinematic universe?  I can't say that I'm shocked.

Flash and Arrow are still the best thing DC is putting out.  Yes, I wrote "DC is putting out."
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: BillCable on January 31, 2017, 11:27 AM
Also Flash lost it's director and they're going with a page-one script rewrite.

http://variety.com/2017/film/news/joby-harold-the-flash-script-rewrite-1201969977/

The early rumors are that Wonder Woman is just as awful as the rest of the DC movies so far.  I really would love it if the movie would completely crash and burn and take this whole universe with it, but she's such a popular character I can't see that happening.  Same with Justice League, so I expect we fans will have no choice but to trudge through this garbage for the foreseeable future.   :P
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: Diddly on January 31, 2017, 05:50 PM
It still boggles my mind that a movie featuring Batman vs. Superman only made $870 million WORLDWIDE
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: Rob on January 31, 2017, 06:09 PM
I really would love it if the movie would completely crash and burn and take this whole universe with it,

I watched Suicide Squad over the weekend... holy hell.
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: BillCable on February 1, 2017, 08:29 AM
Yeah - SS was a hot mess.  I enjoyed it a bit more that BvS just because a few of the characters had actual charisma.

Joker was atrocious. 
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: Qui-Gon Jim on February 1, 2017, 11:36 AM
Scuttlebutt is that Affleck is done with the cowl, period. 
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: Phrubruh on February 1, 2017, 02:25 PM
(https://media.giphy.com/media/3o7WTqo27pLRYxRtg4/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: Rob on February 1, 2017, 02:59 PM
Joker was atrocious.

Why was he even in the movie?  It seemed totally stupid and forced.
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: BillCable on February 2, 2017, 08:32 AM
The studio knew that if the trailers only showed a bunch of C-List DC villains that it'd bomb at the box office.
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: DSJ™ on March 25, 2017, 03:01 PM
JUSTICE LEAGUE - Official Trailer 1 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3cxixDgHUYw&feature=share)
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: Diddly on March 25, 2017, 09:36 PM
Good God that was bad. DC literally ripped off the entire Tony Stark/Peter Parker scene with Batman and Flash. And their obsession with rock music continues in their attempt to one up Guardians of the Galaxy.
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: JediJman on March 27, 2017, 10:20 AM
Well, the dialogue isn't very impressive and Cyborg/Aquaman look like carbon copies of Iron/Thor to me, but otherwise it doesn't look so bad to me.  Good visuals and lots of fight scenes, which is really all I expect out of most blockbusters.  I'll probably see it.
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: BillCable on March 27, 2017, 10:47 AM
Who in the world says "I dig it" in 2017?   :P

I see a whole lot of trying too hard to be cool, and Momoa is the only one legit cool enough to pull it off.
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: JediJman on March 27, 2017, 11:06 AM
Who in the world says "I dig it" in 2017?   :P

I see a whole lot of trying too hard to be cool, and Momoa is the only one legit cool enough to pull it off.

True that, but it's still Batman, Wonder Woman, and Flash in some kick butt action.  Cyborg looks off to me for some reason, and while I like that Aquaman is more of a badass, he sure doesn't seem to be doing much in the water.  I would have much rather seen a Green Lantern on the team or Green Arrow given they already have some powerhouses with Wonder Woman, Cyborg, Armored Batman, eventual return of Superman...
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: BillCable on March 27, 2017, 11:52 AM
Can Aquaman actually control water (ala Hydro-Man)?  I thought he could talk to fish, was strong, and can swim fast.

Cyborg looks off because the CGI is really sub-par... at least so far.  His real face is very floaty.  Seems like they're giving him a full mask to cover up the problem.
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: JediJman on March 27, 2017, 02:12 PM
No, he can't control water like Hydroman.  He can talk to marine life, breathe underwater, has super strength and sight from living under water, can withstand extreme cold and pressure, and I think he's bulletproof as well ('cause why not).  I think he's a half breed - part Atlantean, part human.  Pretty similar to the Submariner in Marvel comics, but more hairy and he can't fly.  The trident might be super strong, but I don't think its magical.  I thought I recalled that he gets weaker the more time he spends out of water though - like Superman without the power of the sun to recharge him.  I guess its the movies, so they can change it up however they want. 
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: Jeff on March 27, 2017, 02:29 PM
No, he can't control water like Hydroman.  He can talk to marine life, breathe underwater, has super strength and sight from living under water, can withstand extreme cold and pressure, and I think he's bulletproof as well ('cause why not). 

I think the bullet-proof skin thing was something about how his skin had thickened to survive the pressuses of the deep water that it was bullet resistant but not totally bullet proof (depends on the distance, speed/size of bullet, etc).

Like you said, I won't be surprised if they pick and choose or even give him new powers for the movie universe because, why not?  If you can make Batman use guns and Superman as whiny as he is/was, why not give Hydroman powers to Aquaman if it makes for a cool movie scene where he's throwing water around.  ::)

I still think it's funny that DC re-invented Aquaman as a topless, long-haired bad-ass in the 90s and all the old school fans complained, waiting "regular" short hair, orange shirt Aquaman back.  Now, for the movies, we've got Momoa as long-hair, bad-ass Aquaman and everyone seems to love it. :P
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: Phrubruh on March 28, 2017, 09:40 AM
Barry Allen: What's your super power?
Bruce Wayne: I'm rich.
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: BillCable on March 28, 2017, 11:09 AM
I can see how some people would find that line clever and funny.

Some people.
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: Darby on March 28, 2017, 11:35 AM
The trailer didn't give me any confidence this will be better than what we've got so far. I think it will be funnier, or at least quippier, but MEH. Wonder Woman - YAY. Aquaman - I think he will be cool. Flash - why isn't this the TV guy? Cyborg - the CGI so far looks not good. Batman - Ben Affleck just seems tired already of all this BS.
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: GrandMoffNick on May 31, 2017, 10:23 PM
I can't believe I'm saying this but Wonder Woman  was very good.

My least favorite parts were the super hero stuff, but the story was good and you can't go wrong killing German soldiers
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: Nicklab on June 1, 2017, 09:32 AM
I'm going to skip Wonder Woman.  And it's not just about this film, but I'm also checking out on any further DC universe films.  I thought the Nolan/Bale trilogy of Batman films were excellent.  And I still consider it a colossal failure on the part of Warner Brothers to not build their DC cinematic universe around that trilogy of films.  The Ryan Reynolds Green Lantern film was awful.  I liked 'Man of Steel', but that film had some faults.  As for 'Batman V Superman'?  I see now that film had some major problems.  And I caught a bit of Suicide Squad on cable.... blech.  I feel like I've given DC a solid chance, but now I have to cut bait and move on, even if there have been positive reviews for Wonder Woman.  I feel far more invested in the Marvel Cinematic Universe, and I'll keep my attention on that movie franchise.

The thing about that movie that's getting me?  This reaction from male fans about some women's only screenings that only a few theaters are holding.  FFS guys, get over yourselves.  Are you really THAT insecure that you need to attack something like that?

Another reason that I'm skipping WW?  Time.  I barely have any time to catch a movie these days.  I still want to see GOTG vol 2 and Alien Covenant, and I still haven't been able to do that.
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: JediJman on June 1, 2017, 03:27 PM

I caught it last night as well and have mostly good things to say about it.  I'd give it a 7 or 8 our of 10 and it's definitely my favorite DC movie to date (which is still not saying much).  The backstory is really well done and the fight scenes were excellent.  There are a LOT of slow-down sequences in every fight (Matrix style), which I know some people hate, but I think it's a great device for comic-book-like action where you really want to hang with the visual for a few extra seconds.  The acting and plot were mostly solid and they did a good job mixing in some humor (like WW changing her clothes to fit in, but still wanting to carry her sword and shield down the street). Cool seeing her figure out her powers with each new battle as well.  She's got moves like Captain America, the Hulk's smash mouth strength, and the body of Black Widow.  Not a bad recipe for a successful action hero.

On the negative side, I can see where the story gets a little slow for more casual fans. There's no sex or nudity, but some of the sex-talk had my 10yo squirming a bit. It was natural and fit well with the movie - just be a little prepared for questions if you bring your kid. As much as I liked the WW fight scenes, I didn't remotely understand her power set by the end of the movie.  I can't tell if I just know Marvel characters a lot better, but I can't even begin to describe the stuff WW can do once you get past her strength and agility. It also felt a LOT like the Captain America movie, just using a hot chick in place of the captain.  I really liked that movie though, so no harm done.  The only serious complaint I really have is the heavy-handed "make war, not love" message throughout the film and at the very end.  Its clear pretty early on that WW grew up sheltered from the outside world and wasn't prepared for the horrors of war - we didn't need that hammered in 16 times.  Just felt a bit forced to me by the end. 

The thing about that movie that's getting me?  This reaction from male fans about some women's only screenings that only a few theaters are holding.  FFS guys, get over yourselves.  Are you really THAT insecure that you need to attack something like that?

I haven't heard anything about this.  Is that even legal?  I guess I wouldn't complain so long as there were other outlets and movie times that didn't inconvenience when and where I wanted to watch the movie.  That said, I think this would be less of an issue if middle-age white guys felt like someone out there was looking out for them too.  Not looking to derail with a big debate on this, but when there's an activist group for every other person in society, I guess I can see feeling a little unrepresented.  I think a women-only showing is a neat idea, but then what would the public reaction be to a theater only having screenings for men when Iron Man came out or black-only screenings of Black Panther?  When you celebrate one group's diversity while frowning on the other, that's discrimination.  I think you'd find a lot less protest here if it was socially acceptable to have men-only events.  Just my two cents.
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Post by: BillCable on June 1, 2017, 03:44 PM
I take the anti-women-only protest as more of a "trying to prove a point" protest than a "legitimately offended" protest.  I read somewhere that there were some guys who drove hours to attend the Austin screening only to learn when they arrived that they weren't allowed in, and I'm sure those guys had legit beef.  But everyone else I think it's the same sort of faux rage used all over the place to point out hypocrisy and express general cultural discontent.
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Post by: GrandMoffNick on June 1, 2017, 04:01 PM
I agree the make love not war got a little over the top, but liked the general idea.

As a whole people suck. We are all selfish and have screwed up this world. Once WW realized that,  (trying to avoid spoilers) she could have gone the way she originally wanted but because of what love can do she decided humans are worth saving
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Post by: Nicklab on June 1, 2017, 06:59 PM
I take the anti-women-only protest as more of a "trying to prove a point" protest than a "legitimately offended" protest.  I read somewhere that there were some guys who drove hours to attend the Austin screening only to learn when they arrived that they weren't allowed in, and I'm sure those guys had legit beef.  But everyone else I think it's the same sort of faux rage used all over the place to point out hypocrisy and express general cultural discontent.

At the very least it's misplaced energy.  But it does come across as a similar brand of ugliness that came out of gamergate.

And then there's some rightwing blogger who has been recently bashing the new generation of Star Wars for having strong female characters, but seemed to have totally forgotten about Leia.  Trying to stir up nonsense like this in fandom for comic and sci-fi movies seems like a monumental waste of time.  But then these genres have been a home for many an internet troll over the years.
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: Darby on June 2, 2017, 06:44 PM
I saw Wonder Woman today and LOVED it. Beyond being the best of the DCU films, it's one of the best superhero films. Not without its flaws. I'll say I actually enjoyed her earnestness. It's such a strong contrast to either the grim dark or wink and nod heroes we usually get. I liked that her heroism and compassion were unmitigated.

The 'controversy' over the screening barely merits any mention, other than it's sadly of the same ugly strain of thought that dismisses Rey as a Mary Sue or you hear coming out of bros who say 'I'm taking my Star Wars back.' You never had it to begin with, buddy.
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Post by: Diddly on June 15, 2017, 09:38 AM
Finally got around to seeing Wonder Woman last night. I thought it was good, not great, but probably in the top 3rd of superhero flicks. And much, MUCH better than the other Snyder garbage. The refreshing thing was the colors they added in at the beginning, and in WW's suit. Too bad they couldn't keep that in and had to keep with the Snyder "everything is dark and dreary" junk.
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Post by: Qui-Gon Jim on June 16, 2017, 09:39 AM
Finally got around to seeing Wonder Woman last night. I thought it was good, not great, but probably in the top 3rd of superhero flicks. And much, MUCH better than the other Snyder garbage. The refreshing thing was the colors they added in at the beginning, and in WW's suit. Too bad they couldn't keep that in and had to keep with the Snyder "everything is dark and dreary" junk.

Agreed.  I think that if this movie carried a Marvel banner at the beginning, people would be calling it middle-of-the-road.  Definitely not worthy of the orgasms the ladies behind us in the theater were having when the credits rolled. 
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Post by: Scott on June 19, 2017, 11:20 PM
I saw WW on sunday...I liked it better when it was called Captain America the First Avenger
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Post by: JediJman on June 20, 2017, 04:30 PM
I saw WW on sunday...I liked it better when it was called Captain America the First Avenger

I can't tell if I just know Marvel characters a lot better, but I can't even begin to describe the stuff WW can do once you get past her strength and agility. It also felt a LOT like the Captain America movie, just using a hot chick in place of the captain.  I really liked that movie though, so no harm done.

Right on. Although WW and the Amazons are little easier on the eyes than Cap and the Howling Commandos.  I wonder if the sequel will have Antiope come back as a brainwashed Russian spy with a metal arm?  I'd watch it.

(http://robinwright.org.es/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/2016-07-24-wonder-woman-1.jpg)
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: BillCable on August 24, 2017, 07:21 AM
Recent announcements:

They're developing a stand-alone Joker origin movie that's not connected to the DCEU
They're developing a Joker/Harley movie that IS connected to the DCEU
They're beginning production of a Shazam movie that isn't connected to the DCEU

and the big one...

The upcoming The Batman movie WILL NOT be connected to the DCEU

That last one's a shocker... and probably means Justice League will be the last of the Batfleck.
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Post by: Diddly on August 24, 2017, 10:20 AM
Can't wait to see which Marvel movies DC rips off for these!
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: Darby on August 24, 2017, 11:49 AM
None of these ideas - with the exception of maybe Joker/Harley, but I'd rather see Harley and Ivy - are good. The talent involved is always amazing, but Batman that's not connected? Why? A Joker origin story? Why? Shazam - I just don't care on that one, so YMMV. Seems odd for DC to be this disjointed with the brand, when unlike Marvel, they control all the characters.
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: Scockery on August 24, 2017, 08:13 PM
Now they are clarifying that the Batman movie is connected, but will not feature cameos and etc from the rest of the DCEU.  It's just a Batman story. No peanut butter in the choco-bats.
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: JediJman on August 25, 2017, 10:15 AM
This is just poor planning.  They're finally getting some traction on connected movies, but decide that their next endeavors will be disconnected?  Why?  It's so easy to just throw a little connecting point in these movies to make them all build into one larger story.  This is one of the things people love about the Marvel movies.  The Hulk movie wasn't very good, but having Stark show up in a tiny scene made it so much better.  So much wasted opportunity here.  They could have tied the movies to the TV shows and easily brought in a Flash, Black Canary, Green Arrow that people were familiar with.  If for no other reason than getting movie goers to go check out the TV stuff.  It's like each of these projects is run as a competitor to other DC projects, so they can't possibly work to help each other out.  If they're going after stand alone movies, then give us something new like Teen Titans. 

Whoever's making these decisions does not have a clue about what their fans actually want.
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: Matt_Fury on August 25, 2017, 02:32 PM
The DC studio execs must sit around a large conference table, try to figure out the absolute worst course of action they could do....and then decide to do that.
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: JediJman on August 28, 2017, 05:27 PM
The DC studio execs must sit around a large conference table, try to figure out the absolute worst course of action they could do....and then decide to do that.

I have visions of a board meeting where they agree to these ideas, then the top brass goes around the corner and takes off their masks to reveal that they're actually the Marvel Execs.  OR maybe its the Skrulls...
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: Diddly on August 31, 2017, 12:41 AM
New rumor is that DC was hell bent on starting filming on Suicide Squad 2 before a script is even finished, but Will Smith has 2 upcoming projects to film so they have to wait.
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: Phrubruh on August 31, 2017, 10:29 AM
Wasn't Batman: Assault on Arkham basically Suicide Squad 2?
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: BillCable on November 10, 2017, 12:31 PM
The "social media review embargo" was lifted at noon today.  From what I can gather, it sounds like the plot is a mess, the bad guy is weak, but the main heroes are decent (except Cyborg) and there's some good wow moments.  Lots of them are saying "It's fun!  But..."
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: EdSolo on November 10, 2017, 02:12 PM
I'm really not surprised.  This whole DC attempt to catch up with Marvel has been a mess.  Half the team is getting origin story/solo movies after the team movie.
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: Qui-Gon Jim on November 12, 2017, 10:17 AM
To me, that fourth spot should be Green Lantern. Cyborg would be like putting Machine Man as the fourth Avenger. Sure to comic nerds he’s beloved,  but he’s just not a heavy hitter like the others.

Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: JediJman on November 12, 2017, 02:34 PM
I'm still hopeful this will be good.  I'm curious to know if the Flash is any good - I'm biased towards the TV version.  I think their biggest mistake was not just adding the Flash and Green Arrow characters from the show.  I'm not a big Cyborg guy either, but I can see where a "DC Iron Man" on the team is more appealing than Green Lantern.  I think that character is just tough to translate onto the big screen (though they didn't exactly knock it out of the park with Cyborg either). 
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: Nicklab on November 15, 2017, 09:20 AM
Damn.  Vanity Fair's review was not kind at all to Justice League (https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2017/11/justice-league-review).

I've also been seeing a significant degree of criticism over costume design for the Amazons (https://www.washingtonpost.com/express/wp/2017/11/14/trending-amazon-costumes-in-justice-league-cause-a-stir-ten-year-old-beats-apple-face-id/?utm_term=.756ed647ed5d).  And it's notable because the Amazon costumes in Justice League are being compared to the costumes for those characters in Wonder Woman.

Personally?  I'm going to skip this one, too.  I've given up on the DCEU.  If it turns up on cable I might watch it, but I am not going to actively try to see this movie in a theater.
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Post by: BillCable on November 15, 2017, 11:07 AM
Rotten Tomatoes, which is partially owned by Warner Bros., is holding off linking reviews until Thursday even though the review embargo ended this morning.
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Post by: Nicklab on November 15, 2017, 11:28 AM
Rotten Tomatoes, which is partially owned by Warner Bros., is holding off linking reviews until Thursday even though the review embargo ended this morning.

Seriously?  What a load of bull****.
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: Qui-Gon Jim on November 15, 2017, 02:56 PM
That VF review was pretty scathing.  This was taken (regardless of what they say) from Snyder and given to Wheedon so the clash of tones should shock no one.
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Post by: Pete_Fett on November 15, 2017, 04:40 PM
I've also been seeing a significant degree of criticism over costume design for the Amazons (https://www.washingtonpost.com/express/wp/2017/11/14/trending-amazon-costumes-in-justice-league-cause-a-stir-ten-year-old-beats-apple-face-id/?utm_term=.756ed647ed5d).  And it's notable because the Amazon costumes in Justice League are being compared to the costumes for those characters in Wonder Woman.

When I first heard about this, I honestly couldn't believe it. I mean, you already have the Amazons for Wonder Woman (which was pulled from a pool of female athletes and body builders to make the Amazons as realistic as possible) and they were well costumed by the costuming team for the Wonder Woman movie. So for one or two weeks you film their scenes for Wonder Woman, then before you strike the sets and dismiss the actresses in the following week(s), film the scenes you need for Justice League. If you need pick-up shots for either movie, you plan on taking care of them at the same time on a future date. You save money on sets, costumes, extras, etc... Seems like a no-brainer, IF, and this is a big IF, you have your act together and your cinematic universe has a cohesive plan.

Which clearly, WB/DC does not have.

I certainly don't want to have this thread turn into a Marvel vs. DC debate, but this is why the MCU is successful - they have a plan and that helps guide the path and decisions that are made in the creative process. Yes, some times it doesn't work for Marvel and they have to adjust (Iron Man 2) - but at least there is an overall roadmap. WB/DC however, want what Disney/Marvel have, but they don't want to spend the time to plan it all out.

I'm starting to think the South Park Super Hero franchise has had more planning and thought put into it than the DCEU.
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: BillCable on November 15, 2017, 10:50 PM
I'm not sure Marvel reuses sets/actors from one film to the next like you're suggesting.  I think if two are filming concurrently (say like Doc Strange and Ragnarok) you might get an easy cross-over.  But I'd guess most of the stuff is set up fresh on demand.

And the reason why the Justice League Amazonians are bikini babes is because Zack Snyder likes chicks in skimpy outfits.  I doubt he gives two ***** about continuity.  I mean, his plot lines in any single film can't be coherent.  Expecting them to be coherent across multiple films is just ludicrous.
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: Scockery on November 16, 2017, 12:19 AM
The hate makes me want to see Justice League more.

Something-something-Darkseid-something-something-complete!



Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: Qui-Gon Jim on November 16, 2017, 06:59 AM
I don't think continuity is the complaint with the Amazon costumes... It is the (perception of?) sexism involved.
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: Nicklab on November 16, 2017, 08:10 AM
I don't think continuity is the complaint with the Amazon costumes... It is the (perception of?) sexism involved.

Continuity would certainly help the overall franchise.

But I think there's a glaring issue regarding the costume design and sexualization of the Amazons.  Admittedly, I have not seen Wonder Woman, and I won't see Justice League.  I checked out on seeing these movies.  But the design of the costumes in Wonder Woman makes them seem like they were made for combat, which would be a story driven decision.  From what I do know of that movie, it was set what, around the time of WWI?  And JL is set in the modern era.  I could justify some slight updates to combat uniforms during that time.  But from a purely functional, story driven standpoint?  The costumes in JL seem to have much less of a story driven basis to them.

It's true that the Amazons are exotic to outsiders.  But the leap from the WW costumes to the JL costumes, along with a female director in WW to a male director for JL, does seem to objectify the Amazons more.  The photo comparisons make that plain to see.

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Post by: JediJman on November 17, 2017, 08:06 AM
I'm not sure Marvel reuses sets/actors from one film to the next like you're suggesting.  I think if two are filming concurrently (say like Doc Strange and Ragnarok) you might get an easy cross-over.  But I'd guess most of the stuff is set up fresh on demand.

Not sure if's a "reshoot" per say, but Spiderman: Homecoming (Sony) uses airport battle scenes from Captain America: Civil War (Disney), and not all of those scenes were in the Cap movie.  That could be extra unused footage from Cap or they purposely filmed extra knowing they'd want it for Spidey or or flashback sequences.  Either way, it's a pretty clear example of how you can bridge sets/scenes from one movie to the next in an efficient way.  And that's going across two different licenses.  The deal making that went on just to get Spidey into the Marvel film continuity is another great example of how they're mapping out their universe.

I'm a Marvel guy first and foremost, but I like the DC characters and wish they could get some better product on the shelves.  It kind of seems like they have a basic plan with the Superman rebirth hanging out there and tying in the Amazons, but its disappointing that they can't do a better job tying this all together.  I haven't seen Justice League yet...is it possible that the Amazons are wearing different designs because the movie is set fifty years later?   :-\
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: BillCable on November 17, 2017, 08:22 AM
...is it possible that the Amazons are wearing different designs because the movie is set fifty years later?   :-\

They wore the same exact outfits for 2000 years in Wonder Woman.  I doubt the brief introduction of Chris Pine in 1917 prompted them to update their fashion choices.   ;)

I think it's a waste of time to try to come up with a coherent, plot-driven reason they're wearing leather bikinis now.  Zack Snyder likes chicks in skimpy outfits.  That's the reason the outfits changed.
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Post by: Nicklab on November 17, 2017, 09:19 AM
I think Zack Snyder might just like skin, period.  Look at the costumes in Snyder's 300.  And then compare those to another ancient Greece period piece like Troy.  The costumes in 300 look more like something out of an S&M scene.  And Snyder's Amazons seem like the same kind of deal.

Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: Qui-Gon Jim on November 17, 2017, 09:55 AM
I saw a review where they pointed out how Snyder completely objectified Gadot starting right near the start of the film.  Lots of ass shots apparently.
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: Matt_Fury on November 17, 2017, 09:56 PM
I saw a review where they pointed out how Snyder completely objectified Gadot starting right near the start of the film.  Lots of ass shots apparently.

Oddly...I'm ok with that.
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: Darby on November 20, 2017, 01:40 PM
Saw the movie on Saturday. I enjoyed it, far more than BvS, though JL is an absolute mess. There is a very good movie in here, if there was some care taken with the structure of the story. They didn't care, I guess we don't really care, so let's get to the fighting and  quipping. Everybody is great. Gal Gadot remains MVP, Ben Affleck is great as Batman, Henry Cavill is reborn ( ;)) as Superman. Flash is great, Aquaman is great, Cyborg is good, Steppenwolf was also present.

The box office on this movie is a disaster. This is a movie with Batman and Wonder Woman - who just cleaned house in the summer - not to mention Superman and the movie should have opened at least on par with BvS or even Suicide Squad. There are a lot of factors as to why it didn't, but the main one is I believe the general mismanagement to this point of the franchise. WW proved that WB can make great superhero films (we knew that from the Nolan films) that people want to see. I don't think there was anything in the marketing that clearly sold a general audience that this is a step away from the grim dark of BvS. It also didn't feature Superman, a hall of fame wasted marketing opportunity that is the result of a terrible decision in a terrible movie.

Maybe now we're through this we can get on to good, solid DC films. I have major doubts about the future of the franchise though outside of Batman (Affleck is certainly gone now) and Wonder Woman.
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: Brian on November 20, 2017, 02:07 PM
Saw it this weekend as well. It isn't bad, and I certainly thought it was better than B v S or Suicide squad, but much like Darby mentioned, I think they could have done more. I thought virtually everyone did very well, although the villain was weak. I'd say Barry Allen stole the show and the rest of the cast was solid too. I was someone who wanted to see Grant Gustin (TV's Flash, love that show) continue into the movie verse, but Ezra Miller did pretty great as well. I kinda hope they continue with stories of this league, but with the abysmal box office it is today it is hard to say.
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: BillCable on November 20, 2017, 03:32 PM
I saw it Saturday.  My wife likes Wonder Woman and Jason Mamoa, so I didn't have a choice.

There were long stretches of a really bad movie.  Steppenwolf was full-tilt atrocious.  Up until he puts on his blue tights everything with Superman was awful.  "What's an excuse to make Superman try to kill the league?  Oh yeah - Pet Cemetery!"  All of Kansas was excruciating.  (not to mention Martha apparently drove there from Metropolis in like an hour).  All the time invested in the Chernobyl family so we can pay off a single gag - horrible decision. 

There was also a lot of inoffensive filler. 

There were probably 20 minutes of really great stuff.
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: BillCable on November 20, 2017, 06:34 PM
Weekend actuals are in for JL:  $93,842,239    

That's lower than even their lowest estimates.  It must have bombed Sunday.
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: Darby on November 20, 2017, 07:27 PM
I will say many of the film's sins are absolved by the inclusion of both the Danny Elfman Batman 89 theme and the John Williams Superman theme. That was truly unexpected and great; I only wanted more.

Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: Diddly on November 21, 2017, 01:14 AM
Saw this tonight. It wasn't bad, but I was left thinking at the end that it was REALLY short. I was sitting there thinking "that's it?" It was like if The Avengers had about 45 minutes less time and got together because the script told them to.

The characters were all fine but the only ones you even really care about are the Big 3, who have already had movies dedicated to them.
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: EdSolo on November 21, 2017, 06:49 AM
My opinion of the movie is that they only needed to form the Justice League because Superman was dead and they needed to band together against a large threat.  Once Superman was resurrected and got his head on straight, the others really weren't needed.

At this point, I'm thinking the Teen Titans Go! movie is going to be better than anything in the DCEU.
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: BillCable on November 21, 2017, 07:45 AM
One of the times I was most frustrated with the film was right after Superman arrived at the final battle.  We got like 30 seconds of awesome fighting.  Then all of a sudden they're like "Oh no - people are in danger!" and then Superman STOPS FIGHTING AND LEAVES.  We were finally, after almost 2 hours, getting to see what we wanted to see, and they cut it short.

Then when Supes comes back it's like he hits Steppenwolf twice and it's over.
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: I Am Sith on November 25, 2017, 11:59 AM
Saw it yesterday and I guess my expectations were very low going in so I didn't think it was that bad.  I agree that the set up seemed very fast and the end 'battle' went by even faster, but I didn't think it was the colossal failure that folks are making it out to be.  I did find the animation of Steppenwolf to be distracting though.  They couldn't have done his close-ups with the real actor (minus the motion capture facial animation) and the fight sequences as CGI?  I couldn't suspend my disbelief long enough when he was talking.

Would be interested to see if we do get Snyder's director's cut at some point.  I've seen some articles where people are petitioning WB to release his version of the film.  Wonder if they would do like Fox did with the X-Men DoFP Rogue-cut home video release...

I thought The Flash was by far the best new character of the three that were added, but was very happy we got a 'Boo-ya' out of Cyborg near the end.

Funniest sequence goes to Aquaman on the way to the final battle. 
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: Qui-Gon Jim on November 26, 2017, 12:51 PM
I didn’t think it was terrible, didn’t think it was great. There were plenty of cool moments but it is obvious this is the bastard child of two creators.

I loved the use of the 89 Batman and the 78 Superman themes. Surprisingly, I really like the Flash. They explained that goofy costume.  The Supes/ Flash racing bits were gold.  WW is by a mile the star jewel of this franchise though. 

Aquaman, dud. Cyborg was OK. I really like that Superman was less grim and more lighthearted.
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: Scockery on November 29, 2017, 06:33 PM
Saw it today. It was entertaining enough, but not great. Probably benefit from a longer cut.

Yeah, Steppenwolf was meh. Ciaran Hinds mumbles some lines...actually there were a few lines I was like "WHAT?" from Gadot and Batfleck, as well.

All the amazon costume and whatever complaints seemed like haters wanting to hate, this film already had a huge hate tab built up before release.  Maybe Amazon fashions change. They are women, after all.  :P


Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: P-Siddy on November 29, 2017, 09:08 PM
I saw JL over the weekend and enjoyed it.  I think it's better than all the flack it's been getting.  I do think it would have benefitted giving the other 3 (or at least 2) their own stand-alone/backstory movie instead of trying to put them all in a two hour movie, where there is enough going on.
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: Nicklab on September 12, 2018, 10:15 AM
So Warner Brothers think that THIS was one of their problems with the DC universe?

THE HOLLYWOOD REPORTER:  Henry Cavill Out as Superman Amid Warner Bros.' DC Universe Shake-Up (Exclusive) (https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/henry-cavill-as-superman-warner-bros-dc-universe-shake-up-1142306?utm_source=twitter&utm_source=t.co&utm_medium=referral)
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: EdSolo on September 13, 2018, 07:28 AM
They might as well pack up shop or just reboot the whole thing.  If Marvel can keep Downey, Chris Evans, etc. going this long and DC can't even keep a Superman or a Batman the same for more than three movies, they might as well give up.  I think Banner is really the only major casting change in Marvel.
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: Diddly on September 13, 2018, 10:06 AM
There are mixed reports on this now, with some people saying Cavill is still playing Superman.

What a mess.
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: Matt_Fury on September 13, 2018, 11:35 AM
Perhaps the studio execs should stop micro-managing their movies.  That's clearly where the problems are.
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: Scockery on September 14, 2018, 11:15 PM
  I think Banner is really the only major casting change in Marvel.

Rhodey/War Machine? Terrence Howard, the forgotten non-Avenger!
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: BillCable on September 17, 2018, 08:32 AM
  I think Banner is really the only major casting change in Marvel.

Rhodey/War Machine? Terrence Howard, the forgotten non-Avenger!

Would you call that "major" though?  I wouldn't. 
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: JediJman on May 28, 2019, 07:06 AM
I'm not a big DC guy, but don't they have these universe resetting events like Infinite Crisis or 52 where some cosmic change merges realities?  Are any of those stories any good?  If so, I'd use it to take the best of what they currently have across TV and movies and dump the rest, or just scrap it all and start over.  The roadmap is laid out: you start with some character building solo movies focused on 1-2 solid heroes and gradually build up to team-based movies or 2-3 guest stars to introduce new characters.  Make it fun, but serious, and integrate everything into a larger plot that will pay off over time.  Just copy Marvel at this point. 

It doesn't have to be major characters either - Dr. Strange, Ant Man, Guardians are not big properties, but all had significant roles leading up to the end.  You probably need Wonder Woman & Batman.  Swap Supes out for Power Girl.  Green Arrow is an easy addition as a mix of Stark & Hawkeye, Toss in Flash or Cyborg or Green Lantern and you've got a great base to build around.  Heck, they should build it around Shazam - that's a goofy character that could grow serious over time.
Title: Re: Batman v Superman / Justice League / DC Movies
Post by: Phrubruh on May 28, 2019, 04:01 PM
Obviously we need to lead up to a Teen Titans movie that starts up with a dedicated Robin movie.