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Title: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: Diddly on May 23, 2014, 06:37 AM
Some info has dropped on the first Spinoff: Release Date is December 16, 2016; Gareth Edwards to direct (http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/star-wars-spinoff-hires-godzilla-706636)

EDIT: Whoops, checked everywhere EXCEPT the forum where the info was already posted. ::)
Title: Re: Re: Are you ready for yearly Star Wars films?
Post by: Phrubruh on May 23, 2014, 09:35 AM
Here is how the spin off writer would change Disneyland's Jedi Academy.

http://www.slashfilm.com/gary-whitta-star-wars-jedi-academy/#more-234786 (http://www.slashfilm.com/gary-whitta-star-wars-jedi-academy/#more-234786)
Title: Re: Star Wars Spin-Off #1 - The Thread!
Post by: Jeff on May 23, 2014, 10:22 AM
Some info has dropped on the first Spinoff: Release Date is December 16, 2016; Gareth Edwards to direct (http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/star-wars-spinoff-hires-godzilla-706636)

EDIT: Whoops, checked everywhere EXCEPT the forum where the info was already posted. ::)

No worries, we'll use your post to kick off the official "Star Wars Spin-Off #1" Thread!  (We'll get around to giving it a better title once we actually know what the movie will be about - Boba, Yoda, Han, etc ;))
Title: Re: Disney Buys LFL
Post by: Dave on February 4, 2015, 10:46 AM
Just saw this on CNN about the standalone movie (http://www.cnn.com/2015/02/03/entertainment/felicity-jones-star-wars-feat/index.html).

Talk of Aaron Paul being a possible male lead, bitch.  And Felicity Jones just went in for readings.
Title: Re: Star Wars Spin-Off #1 - The Thread!
Post by: Jeff on March 12, 2015, 01:28 PM
Stand Alone #1 Update from LFL (http://www.starwars.com/news/rogue-one-is-the-first-star-wars-stand-alone-film-rian-johnson-to-write-and-direct-star-wars-episode-viii)

"Rogue One is the title for the first film in a unique series of big-screen adventures that explores the characters and events beyond the core Star Wars saga. Rogue One will be directed by Gareth Edwards (Monsters, Godzilla) and written by Oscar nominee Chris Weitz (Cinderella, About a Boy, Antz). The first actress cast is Felicity Jones, who garnered an Academy Award nomination and critical acclaim for her performance in The Theory of Everything. The idea for the story of Rogue One came from John Knoll, an Academy Award-winning visual effects supervisor and chief creative officer at Industrial Light & Magic. He will executive produce along with Simon Emanuel (The Dark Knight Rises, Fast & Furious 6) and Jason McGatlin (Tintin, War of the Worlds). Kathleen Kennedy and Tony To (Band of Brothers, The Pacific) are on board to produce and John Swartz (Star Wars: The Force Awakens) will co-produce. The film starts shooting this summer in London and is due for release on December 16, 2016."
Title: Re: Star Wars: Rogue One
Post by: Jesse James on March 12, 2015, 06:47 PM
I am intrigued for sure...  It really implies a Rebel Pilot storyline I'm guessing?  And a female as the lead is interesting too.  I'm all ears, and hope it nets me more Rebel Pilot figures...  if for no other reason than it'll annoy a certain segment of collectors to boot.  :D

But yeah, the title sure makes one think X-Wing Pilot...  Will spinoffs have a series all their own, like how Iron Man is his own series?  I'm wondering if they'll go that route or one-and-done type deals.

But yeah, dealing with common soldiers/pilots, I'd love stuff like that.  Dream come true if that's how they go.
Title: Re: Star Wars: Rogue One
Post by: Jeff on March 12, 2015, 10:46 PM
Will spinoffs have a series all their own, like how Iron Man is his own series?  I'm wondering if they'll go that route or one-and-done type deals.

The original plan I thought I read was to just do random, one-off movies.  But, like everything else, if they stumble onto something that makes a bajilion dollars, I could see them making a "Rogue One 2". :P

You bring up an interesting point about potential for figures...  Whatever they make, it'll be a pretty short run.  There's a really small window for any retail line if the Episode 8 stuff will be hitting in March/April 2017. 

I think I saw Jayson joking on Twitter about how Hasbro is taking/planning for all these movies...  assuming they need a buffer in-between to clear out retail to make room for the next line, could we see something like:

Ep7 toy line = September 2015 - July 2016
Rogue One toy line = September 2016 - February 2017
Ep8 toy line = April 2017 - whenever the next stand-alone comes along

And people still think there will be a lot of room at retail for large PT/OT figure lines and Rebels and whatever else...?  How this is all going to work is still the most curious part for me, aside from the scales and the prices.
Title: Re: Star Wars: Rogue One
Post by: Jesse James on March 12, 2015, 11:20 PM
Exactly...

I think fans are in for MAJOR bitch-fests online because this is gonna be boom boom boom type of distribution, nothing like we've ever experienced with Star Wars as a toy line, ever really.

Star Wars is maybe unique too, in that the collecting world DEMANDS the most obscure of figures...  How slighted are they going to feel?  It's impossible for Hasbro to have some kind of dedicated line of obscurity for collectors, but collectors will assume "they can make anything, and just don't to piss us off and ruin the line!", as collectors tend to be.  I don't think super hero lines have had the level of obscurity to them that Star Wars does, and they're really the only lines to compare to since there seems to be new hero flicks out every year.

At this point I just don't see the time for Hasbro to delve into these deep character pools till the next blitz is on...  Getting main characters done nicely may be a stretch even, much less these obscure droids, aliens, and troopers that we all will want.  I don't see how it's possible really unless they don't distinguish lines and Star Wars in the toy aisle is kind of generic?  But the packaging is the advertising, so I don't see that happening either.

I agree completely, how they shake this stuff out is far more interesting to me than anything.  Uncharted waters, again.  I know what I want, but I'm not really banking on much of it in terms of scale or quality.   :-\  I'm just sort of rolling with the punches though. 

It doesn't take a crystal ball to predict a segment of the buying public will be vocally upset with whatever winds up happening though.   :-X
Title: Re: Star Wars: Rogue One
Post by: Darby on March 13, 2015, 12:37 AM
I definitely think the model we're all accustomed to - deep cuts on characters spread out over years between movies - is probably over. Depending on how comprehensive the initial roll out for each of these films is, that could end up being a bummer, especially if there are vast layers of background coolness that go ignored because there's another movie six months later. On the other hand, you have another midnight madness type drop every six months. We'll see come this fall how varied the volume is with Hasbro. The likelihood we get many figures for TFA even beyond September 2016 has to be somewhat suspect given the release schedule going forward. I have a feeling we'll something like 50+ figures for TFA on or around launch time. Disney will look to mine this for all it's worth.

I do expect LOTS of complaining. I mean, that's all there is now, and all the really good stuff to complain about is years behind us. I don't know even know what we want or don't want with these movies yet, so I won't speculate on what the concerns could be, but to Jesse's point SW collectors expect a degree of obscurity that is simply unrivaled in any other collecting segment. This kind of endless blitzing of merchandise, focused certainly on the heavy hitters of each respective movie, is going to reduce opportunities for Hasbro or any producer of SW related merchandise to really dig too deep. I have no doubt Hasbro will continue to cull from previous films to fill in spots here and there - even today we're getting new CW characters - but you're talking about very, very limited opportunities for that when Hasbro will be going - forget every six months, how about every three - from movie, to DVD release, to movie and so on from now until the brand somehow becomes unprofitable.
Title: Re: Star Wars: Rogue One
Post by: Rob on March 13, 2015, 12:56 PM
Can we start complaining now or do we have to wait for the facts to be presented??  ???
Title: Re: Star Wars: Rogue One
Post by: Muftak on March 13, 2015, 02:47 PM
When have the complainers let the facts stand in their way?

Interesting title, but so little in the way of details...all I can say is Luke was "rogue leader" so this could refer to anyone or anything at this point. It looks like an x-wing movie, but who knows? Maybe it will be the story of the inspiration for the Rogue Squadron name and have nothing to do with fightercraft at all.

The interesting toyline pointhere is how big a line will this movie get? There's precedent for anywhere from 12 to 50 figures for launch, and the more I think about it the more I feel we will get big dumps of 5 POA figures to open these movies and pretty much nothing after that. Again, depends what kind of movie this is. If it isn't a "cast of thousands" type spectacle like we are used to with Star Wars, then maybe a small line will make more sense than a big one would.
Title: Re: Star Wars: Rogue One
Post by: Jesse James on March 13, 2015, 03:10 PM
It's been fun reading people's impressions of the concept art Iger showed...  "There's no X-Wings!  It's clearly not X-Wing Rogues and something different!"

Or, ya know, they fight outside their ships and stuff too, like they did in comics, novels, and games.   :-X

Which it very well could be anything else too, but just sayin' the name certainly makes one assume it'll be the elite pilots doing something.  2 hours of flight would be kind of a weird film though.
Title: Re: Star Wars: Rogue One
Post by: Nicklab on March 13, 2015, 03:21 PM
It's interesting that they're going to be returning to a May film release schedule.  When Disney first announced that they would be releasing THE FORCE AWAKENS in December, I got the sense that it was a play by Disney to own two distinct movie release periods.  Star Wars would give Disney ownership of the December box office, and the Marvel Cinematic Universe would take the leading role in owning that big May movie.

But I think that the way the movie industry is so intertwined with it's associated merchandising partners, Disney has come to realize that a December release doesn't work as well for a major merchandising oriented film.
Title: Re: Star Wars: Rogue One
Post by: P-Siddy on March 13, 2015, 03:30 PM
I was thinking X-Wing, too, but then wouldn't it be Rogue Leader?  So maybe it's different.  I heard of the Sabine rumors.  Guess I'll wait and see.
Title: Re: Star Wars: Rogue One
Post by: Nicklab on March 17, 2015, 02:15 PM
This bit of news is pretty significant:  John Williams Will Not Score Star Wars: Rogue One (http://www.cinemablend.com/new/John-Williams-Score-Star-Wars-Rogue-One-70330.html).

Composer Alexandre Desplat has been tapped to score ROGUE ONE.  Here's the text:

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Few things are as synonymous with Star Wars as the music of John Williams. It’s hard to even think about the franchise, original trilogy or prequels, without the composer’s rousing tunes coming to mind. When the first spinoff movie drops on December 16, 2016, however, you may be in for a shock, as John Williams will not score Star Wars: Rogue One.

 Williams’ music has a massive impact on the films he’s involved with. Just think what Star Wars, the Indiana Jones movies, and Jurassic Park would be without his work. But as revealed on an episode of French radio program, Radio Classique’s Culture Club, Alexandre Desplat will handle the score for director Gareth Edwards’ (Godzilla) upcoming turn around that far, far away galaxy.

 This makes Rogue One the first Star Wars movie to arrive in theaters without Williams, and though it’s shocking to think of at first, it isn’t a huge surprise. There has been talk for a while that the 83-year-old composer will continue to score the Episode movies, like The Force Awakens, but leave the standalone movies to franchise newcomers. If nothing else, this will be one way to truly establish these films as their own unique entity, as something different within the larger Star Wars framework.

 For his part, Desplat is slouch at all, and you can do a whole lot worse on this front. He’s very, very talented in his own right, and has worked on tons of high profile films, including both parts of Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows, Zero Dark Thirty, and Unbroken, among many others. Just recently, he won an Academy Award for his work on Wes Anderson’s The Grand Budapest Hotel, in a category where he actually competed against himself. His score for the Benedict Cumberbatch-starring The Imitation Game was also nominated. The guy had a solid year.

 He’s obviously no stranger to big, epic movies, and Rogue One marks the second collaboration between Desplat and Edwards, who worked together on Godzilla last year. It will be interesting to see what he brings to Star Wars, and if he puts his own unique stamp on the film or tries to pay homage to Williams.

 For as much talk as there’s been, we don’t know a ton about Rogue One. Felicity Jones (The Theory of Everything) is reportedly the female star, the story comes from an idea by longtime Industrial Light & Magic visual effects supervisor John Knoll, and Chris Weitz is handling the latest incarnation of the script after Gary Whitta left. Everything else is unsubstantiated rumor and hearsay at this point.

 The title, Rogue One, presumably refers to Rogue Leader, the commander of Rogue Squadron, the most elite flying force in all of the Rebel Alliance. This moniker has, at various times, been bestowed on Wedge Antilles, Tycho Celchu, and Luke Skywalker, a name you probably recognize. We’ve also heard that this first standalone film involves bounty hunters, Boba Fett, and a heist, possibly of the plans for the first Death Star. At this stage, we have no idea how all of these elements, if they are indeed true, come together in the story, but we’re damn excited to find out.
Title: Re: Star Wars: Rogue One
Post by: Dave on March 17, 2015, 03:50 PM
Maybe "Rogue One" refers to a rogue Jedi - e.g. Ashoka or Ventress. 
Title: Re: Star Wars: Rogue One
Post by: Phrubruh on March 17, 2015, 05:40 PM
Maybe "Rogue One" refers to a rogue Jedi - e.g. Ashoka or Ventress.

Unlikely but would be really cool. Felicity Jones as goth girl Ventress and Ashley Eckstein as Ahsoka?
Maybe Rogue One knows Rookie One?
Title: Re: Star Wars: Rogue One
Post by: P-Siddy on March 17, 2015, 10:03 PM
It's not too surprising.  It would probably be too many movies to score at one time or perhaps it'd stifle his creativity with his muse being tied to the SW universe for so long.  Williams could possibly get bored by it.
Title: Re: Star Wars: Rogue One
Post by: Jesse James on March 17, 2015, 10:49 PM
He's not been in best of health too and I'm thinking for some reason his doing the trilogy was even up in the air.
Title: Re: Star Wars: Rogue One
Post by: Rob on March 18, 2015, 06:00 PM
Alexandre Desplat scored a piece I animated 8 or so years ago. (http://watchthetitles.com/articles/0078-Mr_Magoriums_Wonder_Emporium)



Title: Re: Star Wars: Rogue One
Post by: Matt_Fury on April 18, 2015, 03:15 PM
After seeing the new trailer.  I'm hoping that in either this movie, or a subsequent stand-alone movie, we get to see the battle of Jakku!
Title: Re: Star Wars: Rogue One
Post by: Phrubruh on April 19, 2015, 02:45 AM
Star wars Battlefront will have the Battle of Jakku.
Title: Re: Star Wars: Rogue One
Post by: Nicklab on April 19, 2015, 11:41 AM
ROGUE ONE director Gareth Edwards speaks today at 11 am PT / 2 pm ET (http://www.starwarscelebration.com/en/News-And-Media/Breaking-News/Sunday-Gareth-Edwards--Josh-Trank/) along with director Josh Trank, who is directing a yet-to-be named Star Wars spinoff film.
Title: Re: Star Wars: Rogue One
Post by: Matt_Fury on April 19, 2015, 03:00 PM
Star wars Battlefront will have the Battle of Jakku.

Yeah, not so much.  No space battles in the new Battlefront and what we see in the new TFA trailer is what looks like the remnants of an epic space battle!
Title: Re: Star Wars: Rogue One
Post by: Jesse James on April 19, 2015, 04:46 PM
There's a shakey cam version of the R1 trailer on youtube.  Skip it.  Wait for the HD one.  You'll thank me.

There are some awesome pics tho, including Rebel soldiers an a gunship.  I am excited, for sure.  The flick sounds all military... It's gonna piss on some EU I like buy I'm sure I fan retcon it enough to make it fit, at least in my mind. 
Title: Re: Star Wars: Rogue One
Post by: Nicklab on April 19, 2015, 04:51 PM
John Knoll had a big part in pitching the project to Kathleen Kennedy almost as soon as she had taken the job as the head of Lucasfilm. The short version of the pitch?  It's like "Zero Dark Thirty" in the Star Wars universe, and it's about how the Rebel Alliance obtained the Death Star plans.
Title: Re: Star Wars: Rogue One
Post by: Scott on April 19, 2015, 11:16 PM
So it's obvious that either Hera, Sabine or Ahsoka are going to star in this, right?
Title: Re: Star Wars: Rogue One
Post by: Jeff on April 19, 2015, 11:18 PM
I'd agree that odds are better than 50/50 on one of them showing up...  they did cast a female as the lead.
Title: Re: Star Wars: Rogue One
Post by: SnTrooper on April 19, 2015, 11:21 PM
So it's obvious that either Hera, Sabine or Ahsoka are going to star in this, right?
Rumor is it is Sabine.
Title: Re: Star Wars: Rogue One
Post by: Phrubruh on April 20, 2015, 01:10 AM
Here is a better video of the new teaser. You get full audio and can even see the birds flying over the trees.
http://youtu.be/JwCWYOmpIU8
Title: Re: Star Wars: Rogue One
Post by: Nicklab on April 20, 2015, 06:46 AM
So it's obvious that either Hera, Sabine or Ahsoka are going to star in this, right?

I don't get that impression at all.  Given the characterization of this as "Zero Dark Thirty" in the Star Wars universe, I can see Felicity Jones playing some sort of Rebel intelligence agent who is working undercover in the Empire to learn more about the Death Star.  That in turn would culminate in a military raid to secure the plans.  The inclusion of Bail Organa would be most welcome in my book.

My own hopes?  I would absolutely like to see the film incorporate some of the Wookiee slave laborers who past EU has said were forced to work on the construction of the first Death Star, and how that might play into this story.  And I certainly hope that the film would end with the Death Star plans being handed over to the crew of the Tantive IV, along with Leia, Captain Antilles and the droids.
Title: Re: Star Wars: Rogue One
Post by: JediJman on April 20, 2015, 02:38 PM
I thought bothans stole the plans.  Isn't this a movie about the bothans???   ;)
Title: Re: Star Wars: Rogue One
Post by: Scott on April 20, 2015, 04:42 PM
I thought bothans stole the plans.  Isn't this a movie about the bothans???   ;)
Bothans were in ROTJ...this is before ANH

I think this screams Rebels...same time frame

I like the Wookiee idea, that is originally what ANH was going to be about

There is no reason the planet shown in the teaser may very well be Kashyyk
Title: Re: Star Wars: Rogue One
Post by: Diddly on April 20, 2015, 07:50 PM
Maybe Felicity Jones' character is playing a relative of Mon Mothma? They kinda look similar (and I think Jones is too young to be Mothma from that time period).

(http://i.imgur.com/BWKVpuL.png)
Title: Re: Star Wars: Rogue One
Post by: Nicklab on May 14, 2015, 06:55 AM
Actor Diego Luna is joining the cast of ROGUE ONE in a leading role (http://variety.com/2015/film/news/star-wars-rogue-one-diego-luna-cast-1201494752/) according to Variety.

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Director Gareth Edwards has found another rebel fighter to battle the Empire in “Star Wars: Rogue One.” Sources tell Variety that Diego Luna is in talks for a lead role alongside  Felicity Jones and Riz Ahmed, with Ben Mendelsohn set to star as the film’s primary villain.

Disney and Lucasfilm had no comment on the casting.

At a panel with Edwards and Lucasfilm president Kathleen Kennedy at the recent Star Wars Celebration convention in Anaheim, Edwards revealed that the plot of “Rogue One” revolves around the heist of the Death Star plans by a group of rebel fighters, with Jones starring as one of the rebel soldiers. Sources say Ahmed and Luna also play rebel fighters.

The film will take place between Episode III and Episode IV, but closer chronologically to “A New Hope.” It’s set to bow December 16, 2016.

The cast is expected to be a large ensembler similar to “The Dirty Dozen” and “Saving Private Ryan,” but sources add Luna is one of the leads of the film with Jones, Ahmed and Mendelsohn.

Over the past couple of years, Luna moved from in front of the camera to behind it, directing a number of smaller art films set in his native Mexico. The multihyphenate was involved in several films in 2014, including the biopic “Cesar Chavez,” which he directed.

He most recently starred opposite Mel Gibson in “Blood Father” and is in post-production on “Mr. Pig,” which he wrote, directed and produced.

He is repped WME.

Title: Re: Star Wars: Rogue One
Post by: Matt on June 15, 2015, 03:28 PM
‘Star Wars: Rogue One': Forest Whitaker Joins Standalone Film  (http://variety.com/2015/film/news/star-wars-rogue-one-forest-whitaker-cast-1201496190/)

Awesome.

Exclusive: Star Wars: Rogue One details on theme, locations, aliens, & more (http://www.joblo.com/movie-news/exclusive-star-wars-rogue-one-details-on-theme-locations-aliens-more-222)

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• Stormtroopers have same armor as they do in the original films (i.e. episodes IV - VI)

• Lots of alien life forms, Mon Calamari among them

• New droids and aliens will be introduced. Kind of a no-brainer, but just so you know it's not just a bunch of rebels

• At-Ats, X-Wings, Y-wings, At-Sts are said to be present.

• Implied that some of the film will take place on Yavin-4; a lot of armies in the jungle and various battlefield locations

• Looks like a new droid will be part of the band of rebels attempting to steal the Death Star plans

• Felicity Jones is seen dressed as a rebel soldier ready for battle; expect her to get her hands dirty in this one

Still not sure how I feel about the idea of standalone films but this one sounds pretty good so far. Looking forward to seeing what a Star Wars movie without all the Jedi/Sith stuff is like.
Title: Re: Star Wars: Rogue One
Post by: Jeff on July 7, 2015, 05:30 PM
RUMOR - Darth Vader Set to Appear in Star Wars Anthology: Rogue One (http://www.comingsoon.net/movies/news/457439-darth-vader-set-to-appear-in-star-wars-anthology-rogue-one)

Not the main bad guy... but I guess it makes sense he's involved somehow since Star Wars Rebels has already established he's in charge of chasing rebel cells around the galaxy.
Title: Re: Star Wars: Rogue One
Post by: Jesse James on July 7, 2015, 06:00 PM
I'm cool with this, especially if JEJ is voicing.  Considering he's voicing the cartoon I cannot fathom them leaving him off a film.

I'm maybe easily duped here but I really am looking forward to ALL this Star Wars film goodness coming.  It's going to be sensory overload for years.  As news leaks out and filming of these things starts, it really brings the scale of all this into focus.  I'd been so TFA focused, but man there's just movie after movie on the way, and that's kind of mind blowing.  No more hemmed in with just books, comics, and what Lucas wanted to do for films.
Title: Re: Star Wars: Rogue One
Post by: Matt_Fury on July 7, 2015, 09:17 PM
I expect to see him in some sort of cameo role.  Like perhaps at the end when the Rebels steal the plans and escape?
Title: Re: Star Wars: Rogue One
Post by: Nicklab on July 8, 2015, 07:31 AM
If the Vader rumor is true I hope we get to see a scene of him Force choking some Imperial Officer who let the Rebels escape with the Death Star plans.
Title: Re: Star Wars: Rogue One
Post by: Phrubruh on August 10, 2015, 10:55 AM
Stormtroopers on the beach for Rogue One.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-news/star-wars-force-awakens-storm-6218981 (http://www.mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-news/star-wars-force-awakens-storm-6218981)
Title: Re: Star Wars: Rogue One
Post by: McMetal on August 10, 2015, 11:17 AM
Stormtroopers on the beach for Rogue One.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-news/star-wars-force-awakens-storm-6218981 (http://www.mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-news/star-wars-force-awakens-storm-6218981)

That troop lander is pretty cool. Gotta make a new toy of that.
Title: Re: Star Wars: Rogue One
Post by: Phrubruh on August 15, 2015, 04:34 PM
Cast picture for Rogue One from D23 panel. Now that is a desktop picture.

http://www.ign.com/articles/2015/08/15/d23-2015-star-wars-rogue-one-cast-photo-revealed

(http://oyster.ignimgs.com/wordpress/stg.ign.com/2015/08/rogue-one-cast-photo-d23-1536x864-521514304075.jpg)
Title: Re: Star Wars: Rogue One
Post by: McMetal on August 15, 2015, 04:47 PM
That is one freaking amazing cast they have put together. This is a long way from jake/Hayden grade schmoes. Major props!
Title: Re: Star Wars: Rogue One
Post by: Phrubruh on August 15, 2015, 05:59 PM
A cast that can act. Who knew?
Title: Re: Star Wars: Rogue One
Post by: Jesse James on August 15, 2015, 06:45 PM
Not much in the shot is recognizable but I see a typical alliance pack there to the right. :)
Title: Re: Star Wars: Rogue One
Post by: Diddly on August 15, 2015, 09:32 PM
It's weird because the two dudes on the right make this feel, to me, like a goofy adventure flick instead of a Star Wars movie. I like the OT elements in the rest of the cast, even the PT elements in the background. ;)
Title: Re: Star Wars: Rogue One
Post by: Jeff on August 15, 2015, 10:58 PM
Yeah, that's an odd collection of characters in that image.  But like others have said, some great acting cred in there...  I have hope this will be awesome.

Funny to see the cast shot... should put to rest some rumors since none of them are obviously Hera or Ahsoka.  I suppose there is a chance that one of them is Sabine, Kanan or Ezra though.  :-X
Title: Re: Star Wars: Rogue One
Post by: Phrubruh on August 16, 2015, 01:13 AM
I don't think this movie will have anything to do with Rebels. It looks like fun SciFi battlefront type stuff.  Very different but still feels like grown up Star Wars.
Title: Re: Star Wars: Rogue One
Post by: Matt_Fury on August 17, 2015, 01:18 AM
It's weird because the two dudes on the right make this feel, to me, like a goofy adventure flick instead of a Star Wars movie. I like the OT elements in the rest of the cast, even the PT elements in the background. ;)

It's like Star Wars meets 47 Ronin!
Title: Re: Star Wars: Rogue One
Post by: Phrubruh on August 17, 2015, 09:25 AM
Is it my imagination or does Felicity Jones look extremely hot in that outfit?
Title: Re: Star Wars: Rogue One
Post by: Nicklab on August 17, 2015, 09:46 AM
The image is pretty cool.  And there are subtle little details in there that bring you back to the OT.  The stonework is in there subtly, but it looks like that could be the Massassi Temple on Yavin IV.  And then there's a couple of the coats and jackets.  They're very reminiscent of jackets we saw in the OT (Captain Antilles, Biggs cut scene, Luke ceremony), some of which were based on 1970's motorcycle jackets.  The coat that Diego Luna has on is very reminiscent of Han's coat from Hoth...but in BLUE!  And the headgear worn by one of the background characters looks very similar to headgear we saw in TESB.

It's also interesting to see Mads Mikkelson added to the cast.  That guy seems like he was born to play a villain!  And I could totally see him play an Imperial after having seen him in Casino Royale.
Title: Re: Star Wars: Rogue One
Post by: McMetal on August 17, 2015, 12:59 PM
It's also interesting to see Mads Mikkelson added to the cast.  That guy seems like he was born to play a villain!  And I could totally see him play an Imperial after having seen him in Casino Royale.

He'll always be One Eye from Valhalla Rising to me.  ;)
Title: Re: Star Wars: Rogue One
Post by: Matt_Fury on August 23, 2015, 05:20 PM
Peter Cushing to reprise his role as Grand Moff Tarkin for Rogue one.....digitally since he passed away in 1994. (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-3207415/Dracula-legend-grave-Star-Wars-prequel-Peter-Cushing-digitally-recreated-new-spin-Rogue-One.html)

I hope the CGI effect doesn't look like total ass.
Title: Re: Star Wars: Rogue One
Post by: P-Siddy on August 23, 2015, 09:53 PM
Wonder if it's going to be like what they did with the young Arnold Terminator in Terminator Genesys?  That was done pretty well.
Title: Re: Star Wars: Rogue One
Post by: Nicklab on August 26, 2015, 09:39 AM
That is incredibly ambitious.  Tarkin is a crucial part of the story of the first Death Star.  But if he were left out of ROGUE ONE that would be a gaping plot point.  The younger version of Arnold Schwarzenegger in Terminator Salvation and Terminator Genesys were one thing.  In Salvation all he did was fight.  I haven't seen Genesys (couldn't bring myself to buy a ticket).  Digital characters have been with us for a long time.  Like the article said, it was done in Gladiator to a limited degree after Oliver Reed died during production.

Like him or not, Jar Jar was a tremendous step forward in the evolution of digital character.  But still, you had an actor on camera providing a reference for the motion capture team.  And he also provided dialogue for the other actors to play off.  I think it's very likely that there will be an actor on set who performs the role of Tarkin for actor and mo-cap reference.  But this is definitely new territory since the actor whose performance will be presented is dead.  I wonder how much dialogue is actually going to be pulled from Hammer films, and how much is going to come from ANH?
Title: Re: Star Wars: Rogue One
Post by: Phrubruh on August 26, 2015, 11:05 AM
I remember the first time they put a dead actor in a movie was Branden Lee in the Crow. They had a few scenes that were shot after his death were they pasted his face on another actor. This should be pretty incredible if they do it right. Hopefully it won't look like young Jeff Bridges in Tron Legacy. I would love to see a new Cushing/Lee Hammer movie.
Title: Re: Star Wars: Rogue One
Post by: Diddly on August 27, 2015, 09:15 AM
PLEASE just be a hologram voiced by the dude who voices Tarkin in Rebels...

I dunno, the CGI Arnold in Terminator Genisys was alright, but you literally see a quick shot of his face followed by a bunch of quick cuts during a fight scene. Tarkin doesn't fight, he just stands there and talks. We could hit the Uncanny Valley really quick.
Title: Re: Star Wars: Rogue One
Post by: Jayson on January 29, 2016, 03:54 PM
Liking the look of these costumes. (http://makingstarwars.net/2016/01/a-look-at-the-costumes-of-rogue-one-a-star-wars-story/)
Title: Re: Star Wars: Rogue One
Post by: Nicklab on March 4, 2016, 05:49 PM
Disney CEO Bob Iger showed some of the first footage of ROGUE ONE at the Disney shareholders meeting in Chicago.  Check out this /Film report for the details (http://www.slashfilm.com/star-wars-rogue-one-previewed/).
Title: Re: Star Wars: Rogue One
Post by: Phrubruh on March 21, 2016, 11:36 AM
Marvel to launch Rogue One comic book in October.

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/marvel-launch-star-wars-rogue-876765 (http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/marvel-launch-star-wars-rogue-876765)
Title: Re: Star Wars: Rogue One
Post by: StBrianOfMinneapolis on March 31, 2016, 04:30 PM
I don't think this movie will have anything to do with Rebels. It looks like fun SciFi battlefront type stuff.  Very different but still feels like grown up Star Wars.

I cant guess whether the Rebels crew will be in Rogue One, but I would bet there's a 90% chance the Ghost itself will appear in the movie.
Title: Re: Star Wars: Rogue One
Post by: Nicklab on March 31, 2016, 05:05 PM
There was something odd in today's Rebel's Recon.  Notably, with the real life Chopper droid crating himself up, and that crate having a UK flag stamp on it.  It certainly makes you think that there may be some REBELS related cameos in ROGUE ONE.
Title: Re: Star Wars: Rogue One
Post by: Dave on March 31, 2016, 05:45 PM
Even if its not a key part, it would be nice if they had The Ghost in the background so it could help justify making a toy out of it.
Title: Re: Star Wars: Rogue One
Post by: Scott on April 1, 2016, 12:02 PM
There was something odd in today's Rebel's Recon.  Notably, with the real life Chopper droid crating himself up, and that crate having a UK flag stamp on it.  It certainly makes you think that there may be some REBELS related cameos in ROGUE ONE.
As I've said from the get go...how these two are not interelated would be mindboggling.  Why not feature some of the rebels in a scene if only for a fan wank.  I was originally convinced that Sabine, Hera or Ahsoka was going to star in this...until proven wrong I wouldn't doubt it

It is also baffling that there have been very leaks, no trailer yet almost nothing...Star Wars media is so weird (and that includes the lack of information coming out of their toy licensee)
Title: Re: Star Wars: Rogue One
Post by: Nicklab on April 1, 2016, 07:15 PM
I think a trailer being attached to Captain America- Civil War is a near certainty.  There was that one teaser trailer at Celebration, but that's really been one of the only official  things we've gotten so far.  I think Disney has put a lot of effort into security and leak prevention.  But I also think all of the discussion of THE FORCE AWAKENS has allowed ROGUE ONE to fly under the radar for a while.  Things will probably pick up once the teaser comes out.
Title: Re: Star Wars: Rogue One
Post by: Nicklab on April 6, 2016, 07:18 PM
Looks like a trailer will hit tomorrow on GMA!  Check out the teaser:  https://instagram.com/p/BD4DWLQs_Qa/
Title: Re: Star Wars: Rogue One
Post by: Jesse James on April 6, 2016, 07:31 PM
(http://www.jedidefender.com/news/images/1-16/016_RogueOneTeaserTeaser01_TN.jpg)

Very very Republic Commando-ish IMO.  Nice.
Title: Re: Star Wars: Rogue One
Post by: Matt_Fury on April 7, 2016, 01:41 AM
About time we see something official!
Title: Re: Star Wars: Rogue One
Post by: Mikey D on April 7, 2016, 08:24 AM
https://youtu.be/Wji-BZ0oCwg

Title: Re: Star Wars: Rogue One
Post by: GrandMoffNick on April 7, 2016, 08:33 AM
Nice. Thanks for posting the link.
Title: Re: Star Wars: Rogue One
Post by: Diddly on April 7, 2016, 09:29 AM
Don't really care for the revisionist history of adding all these "specialty death troopers" to the OT era... it's just Stormies, Snowies, Sandies, and Biker Scouts, dammit!

That said, really good teaser. That shot of the Star Destroyer in front of the Death Star looked like a model and not CG!
Title: Re: Star Wars: Rogue One
Post by: Nicklab on April 7, 2016, 09:31 AM
Seeing the Yavin IV base really does help bring you back.  Especially with the Rebel Troopers in that ANH era gear.  And Mon Mothma?  Nice!  It even looks like they got the same actress that played her in REVENGE OF THE SITH.
Title: Re: Star Wars: Rogue One
Post by: Phrubruh on April 7, 2016, 09:32 AM
New trailer is up.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wji-BZ0oCwg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wji-BZ0oCwg)
Title: Re: Star Wars: Rogue One
Post by: Qui-Gon Jim on April 7, 2016, 09:41 AM
I am a prequel apologist.  This looks like what I wish Episode had looked like. 

This looks INCREDIBLE.
Title: Re: Star Wars: Rogue One
Post by: McMetal on April 7, 2016, 09:50 AM
Agreed, looks amazing...and more positive role models for my daughters.  :)

You guys are killin' it!
Title: Re: Star Wars: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: Jeff on April 7, 2016, 10:15 AM
Yeah, all of this is very good - Death Star, hints of Vader and Palps, Star Destroyers, AT-ATs.  All very, very good.

Don't really care for the revisionist history of adding all these "specialty death troopers" to the OT era... it's just Stormies, Snowies, Sandies, and Biker Scouts, dammit!

I liked those Tank Trooper guys in that ground vehicle - those were pretty neat.  Can't wait to buy that toy...   
Title: Re: Star Wars: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: DSJ™ on April 7, 2016, 10:28 AM
Loved it! Can't wait...   8)

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i306/DSJcdn/Fence/Jizz_zpsn589zzqm.jpg)
Title: Re: Star Wars: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: Phrubruh on April 7, 2016, 10:49 AM
Interesting how the new movies have female leads. Could this be Disney's way of feminizing star wars to get girls in to it?
Title: Re: Star Wars: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: Nicklab on April 7, 2016, 11:13 AM
Here are some screencaps that caught my eye:

The return of Mon Mothma?

(http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb135/nicklabatearthlinkdotnet/ROGUEONEmonmothmayaviniv_zpsqcvzbcgj.jpg)

(http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb135/nicklabatearthlinkdotnet/ROGUEONEstardestroyer_zpsf1ui922e.jpg)

(http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb135/nicklabatearthlinkdotnet/ROGUEONEdeathstar_zpsqjximmjv.jpg)

(http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb135/nicklabatearthlinkdotnet/ROGUEONEyavinhangar_zpsxwwdkuvq.jpg)

(http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb135/nicklabatearthlinkdotnet/ROGUEONEmendelsohndeathstar_zps0vaflo3s.jpg)

(http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb135/nicklabatearthlinkdotnet/ROGUEONEdroidrunning_zpshrrzdztf.jpg)

(http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb135/nicklabatearthlinkdotnet/ROGUEONEimperialtank_zps0883jiym.jpg)

(http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb135/nicklabatearthlinkdotnet/ROGUEONEdonnieyen_zpsps08var1.jpg)

(http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb135/nicklabatearthlinkdotnet/ROGUEONEatatattack_zpsuzsyv4td.jpg)

(http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb135/nicklabatearthlinkdotnet/ROGUEONEatatattack2_zps8cegfrpt.jpg)


And Royal Guards, anyone?

(http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb135/nicklabatearthlinkdotnet/ROGUEONEroyalguards_zpsa0esim6s.jpg)
Title: Re: Star Wars: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: Phrubruh on April 7, 2016, 11:17 AM
So who is in the bacta tank? Vader?
The Emperor's private hot tub?
Title: Re: Star Wars: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: Nicklab on April 7, 2016, 11:27 AM
I would think it's Emporer Palpatine by virtue of the Royal Guards standing sentry.
Title: Re: Star Wars: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: GrandMoffNick on April 7, 2016, 11:44 AM
And a Grand Admiral?  Awesome
Title: Re: Star Wars: Rogue One
Post by: Jeff on April 7, 2016, 11:55 AM
And Mon Mothma?  Nice!  It even looks like they got the same actress that played her in REVENGE OF THE SITH.

According to EW (http://www.ew.com/gallery/rogue-one-star-wars-story), it is indeed the same actress.

I would think it's Emporer Palpatine by virtue of the Royal Guards standing sentry.

Yeah, those guards definitely suggest Palps is somewhere nearby.  Maybe that scene is in his DS1 private chambers or something...?

Title: Re: Star Wars: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: Nicklab on April 7, 2016, 12:00 PM
And Mon Mothma?  Nice!  It even looks like they got the same actress that played her in REVENGE OF THE SITH.

According to EW (http://www.ew.com/gallery/rogue-one-star-wars-story), it is indeed the same actress.


I checked IMDB as soon as I saw the trailer hit.  It definitely made for some nice viewing on the train this morning.  Anyhow, that was around around 8:30 ET.  At that time there was no listing for Mon Mothma on the ROGUE ONE page.  But it's been updated, and Genevieve O'Reilly, who played Mon Mothma in ROTS, is now listed on IMDB as part of the cast.

What I'm really curious about now?  Does Ian McDiarmid factor in as a cast member now given the scene showing those Royal Guards?
Title: Re: Star Wars: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: tmanthegreat on April 7, 2016, 12:40 PM
Nice trailer...  Looks a lot better than I was thinking it might, certainly having that "realistic" feel to it like the OT films and even TFA did.  The ships and equipment look like they will blend nicely with the OT films.  Cool to see the classic Rebel Pilots, Fleet troopers, the Yavin Base, even Mon Mothma looking just like she did in ROTJ.  Another movie (and, well, toyline) to get excited about 8) 
Title: Re: Star Wars: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: Matt_Fury on April 7, 2016, 12:58 PM
I'm impressed!
Title: Re: Star Wars: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: Phrubruh on April 7, 2016, 05:35 PM
Do you think the Imperial in white is Tarkin or just some Grand Admiral?
Title: Re: Star Wars: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: Dave on April 7, 2016, 05:49 PM
Do you think the Imperial in white is Tarkin or just some Grand Admiral?

I'm hoping its a Grand Admiral.  Heck, even having it be Thrawn would be pretty cool (I don't care if he is a blue alien or a white dude in the movie).  The Tarkin story line can't play out all that far since he gets eliminated in E4.  It might be nice having a new baddie with his own new backstory that can factor in to any other anthology movies.

I looked on IMDB and there is no mention of that character, and the guy that played Tarkin in E3 isn't listed in the credits.  Maybe its Disney just being coy, or maybe IMDB just isn't built out much yet.
Title: Re: Star Wars: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: Phrubruh on April 7, 2016, 06:35 PM
According to imdb that is Ben Mendelsohn.

https://newrepublic.com/minutes/132473/best-thing-rogue-one-trailer-ben-mendelsohns-cape (https://newrepublic.com/minutes/132473/best-thing-rogue-one-trailer-ben-mendelsohns-cape)
Title: Re: Star Wars: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: Jesse James on April 7, 2016, 08:33 PM
It could also be an ISB officer which jives with the idea of special forces guys stealing secrets and all that jazz.  The pants appear black.  GA's in all white, not that that's set in stone at this point.
Title: Re: Star Wars: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: Jesse James on April 7, 2016, 09:14 PM
Just now able to watch it on my spiffy new laptop. :P  As annoyed as I was to have to buy a new computer, this thing made that trailer a hell of a lot of fun!

So much to take in, in that trailer.  Like honestly when blown up on HD and able to watch/pause, there's just a TON to look at.  It's epic, in every way.  This being a one-off feels like there should just already be more, to me.
Title: Re: Star Wars: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: Jesse James on April 7, 2016, 11:24 PM
Man I keep watching it...  So much good in there.  RFT's with maybe MP armbands on?  Lotta nods that the Battlefront Rebels are what Rebel "Troopers" look like going on too...  Looks like Dodonna behind Mothma there too, I think.  Seeing Yavin IV like that, it's just so weird.  Weird seeing it again, seeing it bustling...  Did the base largely evac before ANH?  Where's everyone wind up?

Saw a lot of familiar REbel Pilot helmet logos, and saw some other colored jumpsuits too...  Saw makeshift stuff for welding/work tables...  It's very very much everything I always thought the Rebellion would look like.  I'm just giddy.
Title: Re: Star Wars: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: I Am Sith on April 7, 2016, 11:30 PM
Absolutely love the OT feel to this movie.  I think my favorite part was seeing the AT-AT's in action again.  Mon Mothma looked perfect.  Loved seeing the Gonk droid in a couple shots.  Emperor's Royal Guards!

One thing I couldn't make out was when they are running through the Death Star and they flash a shot of troopers running after them.  Are those supposed to be 41st Elite Troopers (Kashyyyk Scout Troopers) mixed in with the standard Stormtroopers?  Hard to tell on my system...

My 12yo watched the trailer and immediately wanted to know the rating so that he could possibly go on opening night with me.  Mom's pretty strict about PG-13 movies and wants them screened before the boys see them.  Any word on a rating yet?
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: Jesse James on April 8, 2016, 01:08 AM
Are they aboard the DS tho?  ;)

And I had the same thought.  That's a very 41st Elite look to that armor. 
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: Dave on April 8, 2016, 12:47 PM
After watching the Rogue One trailer a handful of times I've got a couple of thoughts.

1 - I love the Star Wars world, and this looks cool.  I can't wait to see it.

2 - This seems even more random than before.  Maybe Disney is holding out on us and we'll see some familiar characters play a prominent role (Obi-Wan, Darth, Emperor, Snoke, Boba Fett, The Ghost / Rebels crew, etc.) that add to their character development.  I don't count Mon Mothma as a character I really care about.

Or maybe these characters will end up re-appearing in other anthology movies taking place in this time frame, or spin off in to a Netflix TV series.  Either way, for a first shot at an anthology movie this seems to have virtually no strong tie ins to anything else that is going on.  It may be a cool story, but I would have started with a Kenobi, or smugglers theme, or Boba Fett, or probably 25 other interesting ideas with more obvious connections.

I'll withhold final judgement until I see it, but I'll be somewhat annoyed if this becomes a completely random movie without adding significantly to the Star Wars world.  Disney is getting a lot of my money - and I'm probably too cynical - but Disney needs to make sure this doesn't come across as a pure money grab.
Title: Re: Star Wars: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: Rob on April 8, 2016, 04:40 PM
No rating that I've seen but the rumors are it's pretty dark.

I've watched the trailer half a dozen times now and I'm actually really excited about this.  A few years ago we thought there'd never be another Star Wars movie, now we already have another one to look forward to that soon after E7... if they can be smart about these and keep them fresh this is going to be a hell of a decade for Star Wars.
Title: Re: Star Wars: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: Matt_Fury on April 8, 2016, 05:14 PM
Man I keep watching it...  So much good in there.  RFT's with maybe MP armbands on?  Lotta nods that the Battlefront Rebels are what Rebel "Troopers" look like going on too...  Looks like Dodonna behind Mothma there too, I think.  Seeing Yavin IV like that, it's just so weird.  Weird seeing it again, seeing it bustling...  Did the base largely evac before ANH?  Where's everyone wind up?

Saw a lot of familiar REbel Pilot helmet logos, and saw some other colored jumpsuits too...  Saw makeshift stuff for welding/work tables...  It's very very much everything I always thought the Rebellion would look like.  I'm just giddy.

Jesse's hope for a decent RFT figure is possibly renewed!  :D
Title: Re: Star Wars: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: Jeff on April 8, 2016, 05:23 PM
Jesse's hope for a decent RFT figure is possibly renewed!  :D

Yep, because if there's one thing in this world Jesse has wanted forever, it's a new 5POA RFT figure.   :-X

 :-\
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: Phrubruh on April 8, 2016, 05:33 PM
(http://forums.wdwmagic.com/attachments/image-jpeg.137434/)
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: Nicklab on April 8, 2016, 05:43 PM
Do you think the Imperial in white is Tarkin or just some Grand Admiral?

Ben Mendelsohn's character is a high ranking Imperial, but definitely not Tarkin.  There were some articles several months ago that discussed how ROGUE ONE would be incorporating a fully digital Grand Moff Tarkin.  The digital Tarkin will draw on a lot of archival Peter Cushing performances, footage and photographs to create the Tarkin character for ROGUE ONE.  We've seen some amazing looking creatures realized as digital characters, but have we ever really seen a human character convincingly realized as a digital character?  This is going to be one of the big tests for ROGUE ONE.
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: Jesse James on April 8, 2016, 07:31 PM
I will say, if they do a 5POA RFT woman I think it could be cool fodder. 

For me this will be about customizing if it's a good base, much like TFA has been.  I just know I will want MORE of what they crank out for this.  And I'm already kind of bummed knowing most won't be great right out of the packaging.  I just know this will all appeal to me more than TFA did.  A lot of it I could skip or wait for sales.  I now more than ever miss the SA or near it years of the line and wish they'd pack up production for Vietnam or India. :x

Still I'm hopeful for a lot of cool stuff regardless, and who knows, maybe SA will find its way to a general release sub-line rather than exclusive.

But I have my (nearly) perfect RFT. ;)  Now I want Army Regs to go with him haha.
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: Jeff on April 8, 2016, 11:21 PM
We've seen some amazing looking creatures realized as digital characters, but have we ever really seen a human character convincingly realized as a digital character? 

Maybe Disney has made some advances in that area since they tried it in TRON: Legacy with CLU/young Jeff Bridges?
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: Nicklab on April 9, 2016, 06:50 AM
That looked good, but the stylization of TRON: Legacy took me out of the movie a little bit.  It looked too good, and lacked a sense of realism.  Even some of these scenes in the beginning of the movie that were flashbacks to the 80's.  Which is odd, since they had Jeff Bridges there to perform the part.
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: 77Skywalker on April 9, 2016, 10:27 AM
I saw the trailer and it seems like another piece that bridges the gap between Revenge of the Sith and A New Hope.
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: Qui-Gon Jim on April 9, 2016, 02:54 PM
The new Jungle Book film features a CG Mowgli. Pretty convincing.
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: EdSolo on April 11, 2016, 07:03 AM
So, who do we think is kneeling in front of the bacta tank?  It looks like someone in a cloak instead of Vader in his mask.  Maybe Vader is in the tank with Palpy off screen and the cloaked figure could be an Inquisitor?
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: JediJman on April 12, 2016, 01:33 PM
Spolier/Theory:

Sounds like some potential that Jyn may be Rey's mom.  I can totally see the resemblence:

(http://furiousfanboys.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/rogue-one-jyn-150x150.jpg) (http://farm1.static.flickr.com/697/21850026784_cbc582f36b_m.jpg)

Daisy Ridley says not to assume so though just because she's white and has brown hair (http://www.theguardian.com/film/2016/apr/12/daisy-ridley-rey-mum-jyn-erso-star-wars-rogue-one).
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: P-Siddy on April 12, 2016, 02:00 PM
So Ezra and Erso....
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: JediJman on April 12, 2016, 02:10 PM
So Ezra and Erso....

I think given the lightsaber and force powers, the theory was more along the lines of Luke and Erso.  That assumes she survives the movie of course.
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: P-Siddy on April 12, 2016, 03:17 PM
So Ezra and Erso....

I think given the lightsaber and force powers, the theory was more along the lines of Luke and Erso.  That assumes she survives the movie of course.

I know.  I've heard some outrageous theories, that's why I mentioned Ezra.  Oh, and Obi-wan.  So far these theories could make for an interesting episode of: "Rey, who's your father?" on Montel.
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: Phrubruh on April 13, 2016, 09:58 AM
Casting for Darth Vader revealed

http://www.flickeringmyth.com/2016/04/star-wars-exclusive-rogue-ones-darth-vader-casting-revealed/ (http://www.flickeringmyth.com/2016/04/star-wars-exclusive-rogue-ones-darth-vader-casting-revealed/)
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: Nicklab on April 13, 2016, 10:28 AM
Ah.  If it's true, he should be able to fill out the suit quite well.  Spencer Wilding was in Guardians of the Galaxy, and he played the rather large blue alien that took Star Lord's Walkman. 
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: Darth_Anton on April 27, 2016, 11:20 PM
Very geeked out today. I'm working all week with a guy who was in the camera department on Rouge One during principal photography. Funny thing is I remember working with him last year on his last job just before he left to go work on it. I did ask about one spoiler though:




**SPOLIER**
The rebels get the Death Star plans.  :P


He then pointed out that another guy on our same gig did The Force Awakens.
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: Jayson on April 28, 2016, 02:05 PM
Mads Mikkelsen revealed/leaked his role on SkyNews today. - Jyn's father.
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: Scockery on April 28, 2016, 10:59 PM
Dads Dikkelsen?
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: Nicklab on May 11, 2016, 12:22 PM
The ROGUE ONE trailer was attached to Captain America - Civil War when I saw that film on Monday.  And seeing this trailer on a big screen was a lot different from watching it on my laptop or my TV at home (love that YouTube app on my TV!).  It got me that much more excited about this movie!
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: Nicklab on May 18, 2016, 12:06 PM
Lots of ROGUE ONE information has been spilled in THIS MAKING STAR WARS POST (http://makingstarwars.net/2016/05/big-news-rogue-one-a-star-wars-story-character-names-ships-descriptions-more/).  This information came from a German book listing for Rogue One: The Official Visual Story Guide.  Revealed in the excerpts are some character names, the appearance and name of a couple of alien characters as well as two new ship designs, and it also confirms the appearance of a major villain!


THE CAST:
-Jyn Erso (Felicity Jones)
-Director Krennic (Ben Mendelsohn)
-Captain Cassian Andor (Diego Luna)
-K-250 the Enforcer Droid (Alan Tudyk)
-Baze (Jiang Wen)
-Bodhi Rook (Riz Ahmed)
-Pao (alien creature)
-Chirrut (Donnie Yen)
-Bistan (alien creature)
-Darth Vader (Spencer Wilding/James Earl Jones)


Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: Jeff on May 18, 2016, 12:43 PM
It's worth noting that the Disney/Lucasfilm PR machine is claiming "A lot of the information listed isn't even correct " (http://www.hitfix.com/harpy/213-days-until-star-wars-jackpot-a-huge-rogue-one-cache-of-information-just-hit-the-internet).

Not sure if that's true or PR spin, but it sounds like there is a good chance the images were from an early book draft and were not entirely accurate anymore...  take it all with a grain of salt, I guess.
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: Nicklab on May 19, 2016, 07:49 AM
I would expect those sorts of denials since they want to maintain some sort of control over the information.  They don't want to spoil the movie.  And behind the scenes they're probably coming down on the publisher and the retailer who leaked the material.
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: Jesse James on May 19, 2016, 01:22 PM
I've seen the pics and everythig says "This is not final" on it.  However, very little info I actually in it and what there is I'd say is probably fairly accurate.  It doesn't really spoil anything IMO.
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: Jesse James on May 19, 2016, 05:57 PM
I'll add in that, if they make a nice version of the Hovertank from the trailer (there's a pic of it from the front) I'll be a happy happy collector.  It's essentially a German StgIII from the front profile.  I love it!  One of my fav armor pieces of WW2.  Neat seeing kind of obvious nods to German armor for the Empire.

The fact they did a Hovertank for the Empire and broke up the Walker monotony had me right away.
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: Nicklab on May 20, 2016, 09:26 AM
The one thing that I took from this leak?  The character name for Ben Mendelsohn's character.  Well, actually his TITLE. 

Ever since the ROGUE ONE trailer broke, people have been going crazy saying "GRAND ADMIRAL!  GRAND ADMIRAL!"  OMG, people have Thrawn on the brain!!!  But if we go purely on movie material, those Imperial uniforms with the white tunics are only seen on officers of the Imperial Security Bureau.  Wulf Yularen has that sort of uni, and he's identified as a Colonel in the ISB.  There are other ISB officers seen on the first Death Star, too.  Well, the title held by Ben Mendelsohn's character is that of Director.  So is he perhaps the Director of the Imperial Security Bureau, tasked with making certain that information about the Death Star is kept secret?  That's certainly what it's looking like to me.
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: Matt_Fury on May 20, 2016, 04:27 PM
And with that cape he obviously hasn't been paying attention to Edna Mode.
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: Jesse James on May 20, 2016, 04:46 PM
Capes are all the rage in the SW uni.  They're in.  Always.

I'm with Nick on this...  I never figured GA since the trailer once I saw the black pants.  ISB makes perfect sense.
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: Jayson on May 26, 2016, 11:20 AM
loving this (http://www.starwars.com/news/rey-death-troopers-and-more-star-wars-celebration-europe-2016-key-art-unveiled) closer look at the characters from Rogue One
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: Nicklab on May 26, 2016, 11:37 AM
Interesting to see that this Imperial walker is being identified as an AT-ACT, or All Terrain Armored Cargo Transport.  So this is clearly not the same model of walker that we saw in TESB.
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: Scockery on May 26, 2016, 11:55 PM
Do Walkers have to do well on the AT-ACT to get into AT-AT school?
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: JediJman on May 27, 2016, 11:12 AM
Do Walkers have to do well on the AT-ACT to get into AT-AT school?

Surprised they didn't go with AT-CAT.  I like just about everything I've seen coming out of this movie, but the idiot who thought we needed an AT-ACT instead of an AT-AT should be slapped upside the head.   Seriously, just read these two possible sentences:

"Prepare the AT-ATs for ground assualt"
"Prepare the AT-ACTs for ground assualt"

::)
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: Jesse James on May 27, 2016, 07:59 PM
Unless it's not pronounced that way but rather by letter.  I'm all for variations myself and was talking with Jayson about this very topic...  The AT-ACT strikes me as having a modular mid section...  Perhaps for getting cargo to hostile areas, to build bases or just get equipment to troops?  Something very different to a troop mover I'd assume.

Ironically an AT AT, for all it's size, is little more thank a troop truck or APC...  WIth a ton of armor I suppose. :)
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: JediJman on May 28, 2016, 09:55 AM
I just don't see the need to differentiate.  If the mid section is swappable, then swap out the troop carrier for cargo containers as needed.  It is still an "Armored Transport" regardless of what it's transporting.  I like the concept - just not the name.
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: P-Siddy on May 28, 2016, 12:55 PM
It's just a way to sell more product.  ;)

I'll be interested in seeing how these walkers perform in the grand scheme of things.  Will they be easier to destroy (lighter armor?) than the ATs?  To me, it felt like the Rebels first encountered the ATs on Hoth (even though they knew of them) since they had inadequate firepower to take them down and only realized using the tow cables would work if they could get close enough.  The Rebels seemed unsure of how to defeat them.
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: Matt_Fury on May 28, 2016, 11:32 PM
It's just a way to sell more product.  ;)

I'll be interested in seeing how these walkers perform in the grand scheme of things.  Will they be easier to destroy (lighter armor?) than the ATs?  To me, it felt like the Rebels first encountered the ATs on Hoth (even though they knew of them) since they had inadequate firepower to take them down and only realized using the tow cables would work if they could get close enough.  The Rebels seemed unsure of how to defeat them.

My read on that was that the speeders couldn't take them down.  I thought perhaps an X-wing or Y-wing could do it, but they needed the X-wings to escort the transports.  Never saw a Y-wing on Hoth.
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: JediJman on May 31, 2016, 10:54 AM
My take on the Hoth battle was that most ships couldn't function well in the extreme cold.  Xwings could take off and land, but might not function very well in a battle situation where higher speeds and maneuverability are needed.  That's why the AT-AT's didn't have TIE Fighter support, and likely a key reason why the rebels decided to build a base on Hoth.  They mention early in the film that they are working to adapt the speeders to the cold, so they did the best they could under the circumstances.  The Snow Speeders don't carry the firepower of the AT-ATs, so the rebels were hoping to just harass and delay the imperials versus somehow actually winning that battle.
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: P-Siddy on May 31, 2016, 12:17 PM
Yes, but what about the laser cannons and turrets?  Those were like slinging stones at the walkers too.  I get that the speeders were being adapted to the cold and fighters were useless, so that leaves the ground attack (besides orbital) as the only option.

My only guess is that the rebels worked in cells, Leia's cell heard about walkers but never faced them, whereas Mon Mothma's might.  Therefore those laser turrets were untested against the might of the AT-ATs.
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: JediJman on May 31, 2016, 12:29 PM
Yes, but what about the laser cannons and turrets?  Those were like slinging stones at the walkers too.  I get that the speeders were being adapted to the cold and fighters were useless, so that leaves the ground attack (besides orbital) as the only option.

My only guess is that the rebels worked in cells, Leia's cell heard about walkers but never faced them, whereas Mon Mothma's might.  Therefore those laser turrets were untested against the might of the AT-ATs.

I don't subscribe to the notion that the rebels had never seen walkers before.  That was maybe the intent whenEmpire first came out, but given all the surrounding material now, I would have a hard time thinking that was the first use of them.  No one ever says anything along the lines of "What are those?" in the movie, and it's very possible that the rebels thought walkers wouldn't work in the snow, similar to the ships.  They were probably set up to defend against ground troops, which the turrets would have worked well on.  Its not like they had any options once the walkers showed up, and there were still ground troops and chicken walkers to target.
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: Pete_Fett on May 31, 2016, 01:28 PM
Isn't there also comm chatter from inside Echo Base that can be heard when R2 is rolling through one of the corridors that says, "Imperial Walkers have been spotted on the North Ridge".

Wouldn't that line right there seem to imply that the Rebels have seen them before and know what they are or at least have internal nomenclature for what to call them?

Like Justin said, it's not like the line says "What the heck are these big four legged walking things? Let's all start to panic! Ahhhhh!!!!!!"

Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: P-Siddy on May 31, 2016, 01:51 PM
I know the Imperial Walkers line.  My point was that terrorist groups work in cells, so while they have knowledge of walkers they might not know how to defeat them.  Of course, the AT might be the ACTs superior and they've never faced it.  Maybe the laser turrets work on the ACT?  I mean, the Rebels had time to construct an ion cannon.

I just don't want the Rebels blowing up ACTs so easily in Rogue One otherwise it appears our band of Rebels really is pathetic when it comes to Hoth.

But we're just debating the plot holes of a sci-fi movie now.  ;)
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: McMetal on May 31, 2016, 02:24 PM
We should probably be more concerned about the FOUR WEEKS of re-shoots Disney bosses allegedly just ordered after this movie tested so badly...yikes.

Also surprised to read both Mara sisters were in the running for the lead role.  Kate would have been the bomb I think...
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: Jeff on May 31, 2016, 02:34 PM
My only guess is that the rebels worked in cells, Leia's cell heard about walkers but never faced them, whereas Mon Mothma's might.

Pretty sure Leia saw AT-ATs before (see: Star Wars Rebels episode: A Princess on Lothal).   :D
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: Dave on May 31, 2016, 03:05 PM
My only guess is that the rebels worked in cells, Leia's cell heard about walkers but never faced them, whereas Mon Mothma's might.

Pretty sure Leia saw AT-ATs before (see: Star Wars Rebels episode: A Princess on Lothal).   :D

Or the fact that an AT-AT isn't fundamentally different from an AT-TE from the Clone Wars. 

I'm guessing we're not supposed to overthink any of this as X-Wings work in the absolute zero of space, and they work in normal atmospheres, so there shouldn't have been anything different about Hoth that would have prevented them from attacking an AT-AT.  And if a squad of X-Wings can take out a Star Destroyer than I would think they could take out an AT-AT.
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: JediJman on May 31, 2016, 05:38 PM
I'm guessing we're not supposed to overthink any of this as X-Wings work in the absolute zero of space, and they work in normal atmospheres, so there shouldn't have been anything different about Hoth that would have prevented them from attacking an AT-AT.  And if a squad of X-Wings can take out a Star Destroyer than I would think they could take out an AT-AT.

I don't pretend to know anything about how Star Wars vehicles work, but it might be an element of atmosphere & cold, or humidity & cold versus just the temperature itself.  I recall reading something about how high humidity can affect aircraft versus flying through dry air.  Hoth is cold, so maybe not all that humid, but there's obviously plenty of water and wind and gravity unlike space.  Luke's X-Wing seems to struggle with the humidity and fog on Dagobah, so I'm willing to take a leap of faith that the X-Wings and other ships just didn't work as well in certain environments.
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: Pete_Fett on May 31, 2016, 05:39 PM
We should probably be more concerned about the FOUR WEEKS of re-shoots Disney bosses allegedly just ordered after this movie tested so badly...yikes.

Also surprised to read both Mara sisters were in the running for the lead role.  Kate would have been the bomb I think...

Keep in mind that re-shoots are normal and hardly mean the movie stinks and that the four weeks number could literally be tied to logistical schedules of location of the shoots and or available cast members. Plus, the Daily Mirror, who is the UK news outlet that reported the story is essentially on the same level as The National Enquirer here in the US....
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: JediJman on May 31, 2016, 06:03 PM
Also surprised to read both Mara sisters were in the running for the lead role.  Kate would have been the bomb I think...

So glad they didn't go in this direction.  I really didn't like her in FF and can't see her as anyone other than Zoe Barnes after House of Cards...
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: Scockery on May 31, 2016, 08:41 PM
We should probably be more concerned about the FOUR WEEKS of re-shoots Disney bosses allegedly just ordered after this movie tested so badly...yikes.

Also surprised to read both Mara sisters were in the running for the lead role.  Kate would have been the bomb I think...

They have to film interaction shots for the new CGI sidekick they are adding to make the film family-friendly.  ;)

Maybe Meebur Gascon will be added?  :o
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: Jesse James on May 31, 2016, 09:33 PM
My read on that was that the speeders couldn't take them down.  I thought perhaps an X-wing or Y-wing could do it, but they needed the X-wings to escort the transports.  Never saw a Y-wing on Hoth.

The "armor is too strong for blasters", to me, was always another one of those "true from a certain POV" things...  They had finite time to bring them down before they reached the shield generator, took it down, and then essentially all hell would break loose.  So I've looked at it, and EU always sorta supported this, that blasters CAN take out the AT-AT's, if you hit them repeatedly at points, have a stronger blaster/weapon, or hit it at weaker spots that are difficult to hit in general...  Like I say, EU always supported that, and it makes sense, but the AT-AT's weren't slow (Someone measured their speed on film once, and they're shockingly fast, and nimble too).  The one that stomps Luke's speeder is on him like stink on poop pretty quickly, and was a good distance away at first.

So basically once the AT-AT's/etc. stomp on through the shield (if shielding technology works like that, in that repulsors cannot pass shields, but items can "roll" through or walk through them), it was a race to see how much crap you can get off the planet...  That jives with Luke's 2-1B conversation too, in that he said not to worry about this or that, they just needed to get the main stuff off planet.

Also, the planet was JUST set up...  Did they have time to get all their main weapons emplacements up and running?  Would they have had a better defensive set-up given more time?  Who knows really, all conjecture, but again EU stuff kind of implied a siege of Yavin took some time whereas a siege of Hoth was much quicker.

Regarding starfighters, I think they were more worried about the transports/personnel escaping, so starfighters (which seemed to be stretched thin), had a different duty.  I wouldn't think cold would impact them...  I mean, Hoth's cold sure, but is Hoth colder than outer space?  I can't buy into that then, that a fighter can't take the cold.  Hell, it gets so cold in upper atmospheres you have to have special suits to survive, but on Hoth they're just wearing their Columbia gear.  Luke's XWing on Dagobah I always just chalked that up to Dagobah kind of being a weirdly mystical force-y kind of place, and never thought much of it being humidity or whatnot.  Not to say that's wrong or anything, I just always figured it was part of Yoda's way of staying hidden and the planet having the cave, and all those unanswered questions surrounding Dagobah.  Yavin's a rain forest afterall, pretty humid too and stuff.  But that's just my point of view on it.

But back to Hoth, if fighters are stretched thin, and your goal is survival of the personnel and main equipment, your fighters will get the job of protection (2 per transport, and less as things got worse).  The Speeders just had to slow down the walkers and hope they buy enough time, which they seem to.   I'm guessing the fighters being sent with the transports is because, again, time is limited, they know they can't repel the attack with what they have (regardless if they have fighters come in and take out AT-AT's more efficiently...  more will be on the way), and eventually they'll just get encircled and entrapped.  It's a no-win situation where the only positive is escape of as many as possible.

I've always also felt that, with the shield not being planet-wide, but rather just a relatively small surface area of Hoth that encompasses the base itself, the Speeders, with their tighter maneuverability and such, would operate better inside the shield itself, whereas X-Wings and Y-Wings, etc., don't turn as tight (that was always the Speeder's "advantage" in EU stuff...  They're unshielded and not terribly well armed, but were tough despite this, and were highly maneuverable, more so than TIE's even which generally outperformed Rebel fighters overall).

I also seem to recall something that the Rebel fighter maneuverability is also "hampered" a bit in atmosphere compared to space, though it seemed like it wasn't a huge difference, but a reason they invested in airspeeders (plus they're less expensive).  However, Imperial fighters tended to perform better in atmosphere, and thus they didn't put much stock in airspeeders as a weapon they'd need as much.

I totally see the POV though, that the Rebels never encountered AT-AT's, by the dialogue...  This is like everything else in the films where you can take a very different POV of how Star Wars is/works if you ONLY look at it from the film POV.  In that sense, the Rebels are a tiny force, EVERYTHING they have is at Endor, they rarely willingly engage the Empire, and so on.  It's a really different way of looking at things and just as valid a POV on it. 

Another question...  Are the Rebels working in "Cells" by the point of ESB or are they much more of a cohesive military?  I think, even during the SW Rebels era, they're a cohesive military core, but still with cells coming into the fold eventually.  Thus they seem to have a military structure overall, but then you have other militias, etc.  I like to think of the Alliance as the US military in the Revolution...  There's the continental army, or the "core", and then you have the militia, guerilla forces, and other groups, who share the same cause, but aren't absorbed into the core...  Or for a different era, the NVA, and the "Viet Cong" which was comprised of a lot of other forces, during the Vietnam War.

Another interesting thing to think about, regarding the AT-AT's and their seemingly strong armor...  If they're impervious to the blaster fire, why not make EVERYTHING out of that?  Or is it that they're just impervious to weaker blaster fire?  Or that they can be hit in spots, and taken down, but it takes longer than the Alliance had at Hoth, given their defensive situation and lack of prep?  If AT-AT's were so strong they couldn't be taken out by blasters, at all, why not make EVERYTHING out of that kind of armor?  Or are they just really tough and it takes the right shot, in the right situation, or having the exactly right weapon(s)?

Regarding the AT-ACT/AT-AT...  Like I say, I think they're just different models for different reasons...  Like a Jagdtiger to a Tiger to a Sturmtiger...  Same chassis, all 3 different uses, strengths, and weaknesses, to put a real world spin on it.
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: CHEWIE on June 15, 2016, 03:28 PM
I always wondered why Luke didn't just run up behind each walker and cut their legs out from under them with his lightsaber when I was a kid. 

On any note, I think the fun in most of this is, and always has been, using one's own imagination to rationalize why "this or that" was done.  A lot of it really just comes down to "it looks cool and the audience will love it."

Kinda like Stormtroopers riding Dewbacks while searching for droids... kinda silly, but they sure does look awesome.
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: JediJman on June 15, 2016, 04:09 PM
I thought that too with the walkers, but then when I saw how slowly lightsabers cut through armor in the prequels I figured that would be like trying to slice off the legs with a blowtorch.  They wouldn't stand still long enough for you to cut them, and if you're riding the foot while cutting the leg, you stand the risk of the thing falling on you.  Fan rationalizing I know...
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: Matt_Fury on June 15, 2016, 04:39 PM
I always wondered why Luke didn't just run up behind each walker and cut their legs out from under them with his lightsaber when I was a kid. 

It would have blown the FX budget.   :D
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: McMetal on June 22, 2016, 02:25 PM
Yes! Yes! YES!

Forest Whitaker is playing SAW GERRERA.  :D

Thank you, Clone Wars synergy!
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: Scockery on June 22, 2016, 04:01 PM
I didn't remember Saw Gerrera...does that make Forest a Tree Saw?  :P
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: McMetal on June 22, 2016, 09:41 PM
Lol, he was a character from Season 5 of the Clone Wars. Hung out with Anakin some. Think he is mentioned in the Princess Leia book too. Bad ass extremist. Like the John Brown of the Rebellion.
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: Jesse James on June 23, 2016, 12:59 AM
Was just pondering on the Twitterverse...  I wonder if there's a TFA/Rogue One tie people are overlooking here.  :-X
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: Jayson on June 23, 2016, 02:16 PM
New Rogue One image gallery (http://www.ew.com/gallery/rogue-one-first-look-photos) has been posted. #deathtrooperswithdolls
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: Scockery on June 23, 2016, 04:29 PM
"What will you do when they break your toys?"
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: Jesse James on July 14, 2016, 11:32 PM
This is on the microscopic level of mattering, but that one trooper type is being called a "shore trooper"? 

Like...  besides flip flops, what special gear does a shore trooper need?

The names are meh to me.  I ignore a lot of that stuff.  To me a Sandtrooper is just a Stormtrooper with a backpack that has modular things to keep him cool you can take off and replace with things to keep him warm if you wanted.  Too much "this guy's special" in a group called "Stormtroopers" which kind of denotes that as a group they're special already in their own way...

When there's 3 million different "special" soldiers, it gets kind of less special...  I always figured Snowtroopers were just basically a Stormtrooper in his cold weather combat gear, not really so much a guy with specialized training. 

I get Scouts, and then Scouts have sub divisions I figure...  That kind of stuff makes sense, but when EVERY soldier has to be "special" in some way, it becomes impractical.  Does every Destroyer/fleet just happen to have every specialty legion of trooper aboard, just in case they happen to be needed at any given invasion?

I mean I can see a "mountain" division, or guys trained to fight under water...  These are kind of different things to a guy who just has to deal with the heat or cold as it comes at him ya know?

And much like Ep3 and The Clone Wars, it's sure an easy way to sell toys. :P

But like the "Flame trooper" from TFA...  I figured he was just like any other Stormtrooper, and every group had one or two of these guys, and he was just a guy who'd gotten that extra work in on using a flamethrower like any infantryman in WW2 would've had (lucky them  :-X).  Not sure why his armor's even different really.  He's just a guy with a flamethrower, which you can do pretty well in the same armor as everyone else, no? :-\

Just a weird thought for the day...  Shore troopers sound like they're out building sandcastles and stuff.  They're easily spotted in combat by their colorful shirts, and marching to Jimmy Buffet tunes.
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: Jayson on July 15, 2016, 09:57 AM
Great look (http://io9.gizmodo.com/star-wars-is-adding-some-gorgeous-new-ships-for-rogue-o-1783721583?utm_campaign=socialflow_io9_facebook&utm_source=io9_facebook&utm_medium=socialflow) at new vehicles from Rogue One

Shoretrooper bio (https://twitter.com/SciFiNow/status/753910555639939072)
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: Nicklab on July 15, 2016, 11:05 AM
The ROGUE ONE panel will be streamed live on YouTube and begins momentarily (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5VZ5dfOU1XI).
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: Phrubruh on July 15, 2016, 12:05 PM
So where was the new trailer? We just get a behind the scenes sizzle reel.
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: Darby on July 15, 2016, 12:09 PM
Re: trailer - not shown on live stream.  :( Hoping we get it later. Apparently involved Vader.

Re: Margaritaville Trooper - we were talking about this on Twitter last night, and I agree. The Shore Trooper seems an ideal place to introduce an OT era amphibious trooper given the environment they seem to be in, but he's clearly not. This will probably become more clear with the movie. I do have to say the other troops look amazing, in particular the tank driver.
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: Nicklab on July 15, 2016, 12:13 PM
Perhaps the trailer will be aired tonight on ABC with the behind the scenes special from The Force Awakens?

But I would bet on the sizzle reel being shown on television tonight, and the trailer being released closer to Force Friday.
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: Phrubruh on July 15, 2016, 12:15 PM
Here is the behind the scenes one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HUb_zpdyDpU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HUb_zpdyDpU)
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: Dave on July 15, 2016, 02:06 PM
Re: trailer - not shown on live stream.  :( Hoping we get it later. Apparently involved Vader.

After they showed the "sizzle reel" a second time I started to wonder if they were showing different things online vs. local in the UK.  After they showed the sizzle reel a third time, I was all but sure they were withholding certain footage from the online feed.

That sizzle reel was cool though. 

I loved the behind the scenes look at a bunch of the scenes, especially with the one where Jyn is in the rain and they blast her with that air concussion cannon thing.  The shockwave on her poncho is cool as hell.
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: McMetal on July 21, 2016, 02:30 PM
"Edrio Two Tubes" looks pretty damn cool!
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: Qui-Gon Jim on July 24, 2016, 08:44 AM
Enjoy whilst possible:
https://www.instagram.com/p/BH4KywIBTaY/
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: Nicklab on July 24, 2016, 10:13 AM
Enjoy whilst possible:
https://www.instagram.com/p/BH4KywIBTaY/

Fan trailer.  ):

BTW, the Official Star Wars channel on YouTube has posted THE ROGUE ONE PANEL (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QU9556YKZnU) from Star Wars Celebration Europe in London.
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: Jesse James on July 24, 2016, 05:12 PM
Yeah I hope that is a fan trailer, hehe.  That space ship scene looked like it was out of Wing Commander.  :-X
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: Phrubruh on August 2, 2016, 11:38 AM
TV spot trailer released. It's pretty much a shorter version of the first trailer. Nothing new.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zkHtdmWVmzQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zkHtdmWVmzQ)
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: Nicklab on August 4, 2016, 06:41 AM
There's a nice look at the U-wing fighter / gunship in this week's episode of The Star Wars show (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8ExkYS_Uog).  And it turns out that the U-wing was featured in the concept artwork that we saw at last year's Star Wars Celebration:

(https://8583b52b4a309671f69d-b436b898353c7dc300b5887446a26466.ssl.cf1.rackcdn.com/11063399_new-rogue-one-still-reveals-u-wing-fighter_t3496cd4b.jpg)

(http://static.srcdn.com/slir/w1000-h407-q90-c1000:407/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/Star-Wars-Rogue-One-U-Wing-Still.jpg)

(http://static.srcdn.com/slir/w1000-h427-q90-c1000:427/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/Star-Wars-Rogue-One-U-Wing-ILM.jpg)

(http://i0.wp.com/www.slashfilm.com/wp/wp-content/images/ZZ4C7F2CB5.jpg?resize=736%2C216)



The ship designation is the Incom UT-60D.  It seems to have more in common with the Y-Wing, but that information regarding Incom as the manufacturer is cool to learn.  And the sweepable wings are definitely a callback to the X-wing fighter.
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: Qui-Gon Jim on August 4, 2016, 10:10 AM
Saw that yesterday.  Very awesome and VERY OT.  Love it!
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: Phrubruh on August 5, 2016, 09:29 AM
It reminds me of the ships in Buck Rogers.
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: Scockery on August 5, 2016, 11:51 PM
Another surprise character gets a  Rogue One scene.

Star Wars Actor Confirms Rogue One Cameo[url]

Ahmed Best is back as the Binks!  :D

Okay, no...he isn't. (http://www.superherohype.com/news/379693-star-wars-actor-confirms-a-rogue-one-cameo#/slide/1)
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: Nicklab on August 10, 2016, 05:24 AM
Check out this EW article (http://www.ew.com/article/2016/08/08/star-wars-rogue-one-force-sacred-world-jedha-details) that discusses one of the key locations of ROGUE ONE, the planet Jedha.
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: Phrubruh on August 11, 2016, 12:30 PM
A commercial for a commercial during the Olympics.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVZ25TSCoio (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVZ25TSCoio)
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: McMetal on August 11, 2016, 01:38 PM
A commercial for a commercial during the Olympics.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVZ25TSCoio (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVZ25TSCoio)

I was going to post about that earlier, I saw it last night luckily enough. The scene with the shuttle blowing up on the landing pad was cool as hell...looking forward to the real deal tonight.

Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: McMetal on August 11, 2016, 10:43 PM
I have loved everything I've seen/heard about this movie so far, but that trailer did not make me excited for this movie at all. Weirdly unexciting mishmash of stuff. Maybe the fours hours of Olympics dulled my senses though...
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: Jesse James on August 11, 2016, 10:56 PM
I loved it...  warring and whoring but never boring.

It gave it some sort of feel for how the pacing/story's going to roll along I felt.  It's going to show the Empire as the military tyranny it is and kind of take it out of that more fairy tale "Good vs. Evil" feel the classic films have to them...  I feel like it's going to give the every day war its face, or sorts, that the movies haven't really been about.  At least that is the vibe I get somewhat.

I thought the effects looked great, the AT-ACT getting pinged on the face with a shoulder-fired launcher was great.  I'm very excited for this.
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: Jesse James on August 11, 2016, 11:38 PM
And it's already online...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=frdj1zb9sMY

The droid gives me a very HK-47 feel.  not physically, but personality-wise.  I love it.  My fav KOTOR character hands down, and a great action figure too.  That's gonna be a kick ass figure, even if it's 5 POA.

The fairly early shot of the Destroyer over the Jedha (assuming) city?  I love it...  That fortress look with the Imp Citadel poking out of it...  It reminds me VERY much (so much of this film/characters/stuff in general) of something from DF2: Jedi Knight, where Katarn went back to a city on his home planet that was overrun by the Empire, and had an Imperial pre-fab fortification with a big tower in it established in a war torn city...  This feels like there's a lot of EU overtones to it in weird ways.  Small things, nothing major really, just little stuff.  The Imperial droid not only reminds me of HK47 but also 8T-88, Dark Troopers (Phase I-ish), and some other stuff here and there. 

The Imperial (assuming) shuttles with quad folding wings...  Less a personnel vehicle, more a materials transport?  Again, a lot to take in.

The Imperial Hover Tank/Transport (Looks dual-purpose for sure) reminds me of some very old EU design elements, and then it has a very WW2 tank look to it too...  StgIII look to it, with the low profile and hatches and such.

So much cool.
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: Darby on August 12, 2016, 12:29 AM
I also loved it for a lot of the same reasons Jesse did. This is a straight up war movie and so far, judging from what little we've seen, is more or less what people seem to have been wanting in the PT - more of the same, but better/darker. We'll see. The cinematography so far is outstanding - the shot of the the DS eclipsing the sun on what I believe is Jedha is one of the best shots in SW ever. The shot of the ship going to hyperspace appears to have been shot in camera - the expanding stars projected on a screen - though I can't be sure. Dramatically different than what we've seen and the odd lack of focus in it makes it seem practical. Also classic shot - Jyn Erso Vs. TIE. The prospect of big, big battles - something TFA didn't really deliver on - has me excited, as does some possible cameos.

I've been on record how I didn't think prequels were necessarily a good idea with these anthology films but RO so far actually seems to be delivering a lot of new for how fixed to continuity it is. The U-Wing is the new best ship ever.
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: Jesse James on August 12, 2016, 12:56 AM
Agreed completely...  They're taking the old and making you interested in it visually, which is awesome.  They're also throwing the old back at you like an old friend (X-Wings), and in some ways mixing that up too (The downed XW with the nose art).

The shot of the prisoner Rebel Pilots?  Incredible IMHO.

The tank appears to go ape**** and not care about collateral damage or friendly fire...  The crashing TIE, the Jedha city design...  Just so much to enjoy.  I really liked this trailer.

I can't say the speech Jyn was giving in the U-Wing was as powerful as I think we were supposed to feel it was, but it still had a little of that perhaps D-Day landing feel to it on the Higgins boat as Hanks talked to the men a little bit.

I also felt Jyn staring the TIE down was a little bit of Hanks and the Tiger-I on the bridge maybe?  A climactic moment?

Where do all those X-Wings attacking come into play with the whole thing?  How many planets are we jumping between here?  Jedha, Yavin IV...  is the jungle/beach/pouring rain planet all a separate place or multiple locales?

That shot of the AT-ACT's left cheek cannon taking that hit and it actually seemingly being damaging?  I loved that.  I love seeing a different way to take things on like that.
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: Diddly on August 12, 2016, 10:15 AM
As someone who had no interest in this movie initially, what a trailer! Looks like this should satisfy everyone's thirst for non-Jedi side characters in the Star Wars universe.

I initially hated that design for the U-Wing... still think it's a dumb design for a starfighter, but as a dropship? Awesome, especially when you factor in the SDCC behind the scenes footage and that short alien going crazy with the turret gun.

I agree with the whole EU feel too... definitely feels like something out of a video game, or even Rebels... a small city on top of a cliff, Star Destroyers in the sky... can't wait!
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: Phrubruh on August 12, 2016, 10:59 AM

This isn't a very authentic looking Star Wars movie. No way this narrow platform high up in the air would have a railing around it
(http://forums.wdwmagic.com/attachments/upload_2016-8-12_10-26-55-png.155525/)
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: Nicklab on August 12, 2016, 11:09 AM
I like what I've seen so far.  Gareth Edwards seems to be hitting the right notes in terms of capturing the classic OT aesthetic of the Imperials, but the filmmaking techniques are obviously far more up to date.  And it's attention to those details like

I also like the covert ops nature in which these Rebels are conducting themselves.  That really seems to be the way they would need to conduct themselves in order to operate under the noses of an oppressive force like the Empire.

Jedah is very interesting.  I've seen some writers describe the locale like something out of the Ottoman Empire.  And seeing that walled city atop that butte/hill?  It made me think of Masada in Israel!  I'm liking the concept of broadening our knowledge of The Force, and that it serves as something of a galactic faith.  The high temple at the one end of the city looks intriguing!

Having seen that wide shot of the Jedah city, it definitely looks like those 4 winged shuttles are some sort of heavy cargo carriers.  And given some of the backstory about Riz Ahmed's character, Bodie Rook?  I'm thinking that his ship, which I think is called the Raven Deluxe, may actually be one of these 4 winged shuttles.  You also can't help but think that both Baze Malbus and Chirrut Imwe are a couple of badasses!

And that final shot? Yes!
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: Matt_Fury on August 12, 2016, 11:34 AM
Love the trailer!  This movie has a cool dirty dozen vibe to it.  I hope that they do more anthology movies like this in the future, but further removed from the main movies.  Not everything has to revolve around the Death Star.
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: Dave on August 12, 2016, 12:01 PM
Love the trailer!  This movie has a cool dirty dozen vibe to it.  I hope that they do more anthology movies like this in the future, but further removed from the main movies.  Not everything has to revolve around the Death Star.

I also like the fact this this movie isn't a backstory spinoff of some main character. 

I think they can have more success with a movie like this than they can with a Han Solo or Kenobi flick just because there will be far fewer constraints on the characters and plot.  There is far less canon to maneuver through.
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: Nicklab on August 12, 2016, 12:13 PM
In the case of this movie I have to wonder about that whole canon navigation aspect.  Because we do have some OT characters popping back up.  Vader is the biggest of them all, clearly.  And there were the reports that they were going to have a digital version of Grand Moff Tarkin in this movie.

There's also the matter of what Jimmy Smits is calling his "cameo" as Bail Organa.  Mon Mothma is in the mix, albeit played by the actor who played her in Episode III.  And it looks like there's one Rebel officer who bears a striking resemblance to General Jan Dodonna.  Plus, with the movie ending some 10 or 15 minutes before the opening of A NEW HOPE, I wonder if we can expect to see the plans "beamed" to the Tantive IV by the Rebel spies that Vader described during his interrogation of Leia.
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: Darby on August 12, 2016, 12:49 PM
I think there's a huge possibility for some major cameos. The Emperor is the biggest one I'm hoping for. I think there's some real hope for that since we've already seen the royal guards in a previous trailer. I'd love to see Ian McDiarmid again. Leia is another one that I think is likely given the events in the film, along with 3-P0 and R2, if we actually get on to the Tantive IV.
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: Nicklab on August 12, 2016, 03:55 PM
I just watched the trailer again because I've had a theory about Alistair Petrie's Rebel Officer character.  People seem to be wondering if his character has some measure of significance.  His jacket in particular has made me wonder... is this Captain Antilles?  But I made a point of freeze-framing the trailer and making some comparisons from Antilles to Petrie's officer.  The jackets are different, and so is the rank insignia.  Both of them seem to have 5 dot rank insignia, but on Petrie's coat they're red in color, and on Antilles' jacket they're blue.
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: Matt_Fury on August 13, 2016, 10:27 AM
I don't mind Mon Mothma or the other cameos in this movie.  The movie isn't centered around Mon Mothma, Bail Organa or anyone else.  As far as the first of the anthology movies, I'm ok with them taking a half step away from the main saga...although, I still like that opening mission in Dark Forces where Kyle Katarn steals the Death Star Plans.


In all honestly, I'm looking forward to Darth Vader's role in this movie because we can finally see him being a dark side of the force wielding badass!

Hopefully, after Rogue One, I'm hoping for more larger universe stuff.  Give me a 47 Ronin style move about Jedi who survived Order 66 not named Kenobi or Yoda!  Give me a Magnificent Seven set in the Star Wars universe!  These wouldn't take a whole lot of effort to write and they are practically a license to print money!
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: Jesse James on August 13, 2016, 01:14 PM
He'll I figure you can still BS the DF story in there somehow.  Maybe it's not plans for the DS but just a schematic of the super laser, and that leads up to this.  EU always needed crowbarred in half the time as it was so I figure it still can be. :)

Maybe Gen. Rohm Mohc's droid obsession made the imperial droid design from Rogue one even.
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: Jesse James on August 16, 2016, 11:44 PM
http://yakfaceforums.com/main/2016/08/15/new-dialogue-and-footage-in-rogue-one-international-trailer/

Jayson posted the international trailer which has additional shots and dialogue, some of which could be considered uber spoilery.  You've been warned.
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: Phrubruh on August 18, 2016, 01:06 PM
The Beastie Boy's Sabotage works really well for Rogue One.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMmiNeVrbDk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMmiNeVrbDk)
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: Dave on August 18, 2016, 02:07 PM
The Beastie Boy's Sabotage works really well for Rogue One.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMmiNeVrbDk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMmiNeVrbDk)

I remember watching Sense and Sensibility with my wife years ago.  Painful stuff.   A Beastie Boys soundtrack would have made that movie infinitely better.  Everything goes better with The Beastie Boys.  :P
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: Jesse James on August 18, 2016, 05:52 PM
Wow that did work extremely well.  Even the emergency clangs.
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: Phrubruh on August 31, 2016, 10:45 AM
It looks like George got into the editing room of Rogue One.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0IcjLG_VfNg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0IcjLG_VfNg)
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: Scockery on August 31, 2016, 03:04 PM
Looks good. Needs more Watto.
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: Jesse James on September 8, 2016, 01:12 AM
Watto as a character was actually pretty good...  It'd spice that trailer up a bit too much.

So I was talking to a buddy and he made a pretty good point...  Getting into/out of a hatch like on that tank wouldn't be too easy in body armor...  Like, to the point your life would be at risk.  If you've ever seen someone get into a WW2 tank's hatch, even the larger ones like the commander hatch on the turret, it's tight. 

Kinda funny.  I mean I know it's an excuse to make more specialized troopers and armor and toys...  I get it.  Just funny that it'd be very detrimental to the person wearing the armor to be inside a tank.   The AT-ST guys had it right.
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: Matt_Fury on September 9, 2016, 09:20 AM
Except an AT-ST can be crushed by a couple of logs....maybe the armor could help a little.  :D
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: JediJman on September 9, 2016, 10:23 AM
So I was talking to a buddy and he made a pretty good point...  Getting into/out of a hatch like on that tank wouldn't be too easy in body armor...  Like, to the point your life would be at risk.  If you've ever seen someone get into a WW2 tank's hatch, even the larger ones like the commander hatch on the turret, it's tight. 

That might be a bigger issue if Stormtroopers were riding around in WW2 tanks versus their own hover tank.  There's no reason why the imperial tanks couldn't have larger hatches.  Real tanks are not designed to have troops jump in and out of them - if you're in the tank, you're supposed to stay in the tank.  Probably the same with an AT-ST - there isn't a lot of reason to jump out into combat when you're cockpit is dozens of feet high in the air.  But a stormtrooper in a hover tank might have more need to pop in and out, and they could easily design the tank to accommodate that need a variety of different ways.  If the trooper is getting out of the tank more regularly, he's definitely going to need armor.
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: Jesse James on September 13, 2016, 09:35 PM
Quote
That might be a bigger issue if Stormtroopers were riding around in WW2 tanks versus their own hover tank.  There's no reason why the imperial tanks couldn't have larger hatches.

(https://stormtrooperlarry.files.wordpress.com/2016/05/rogue-one-tank-leak.jpg?w=474)

Except like, they really don't have that. ;)  They're pretty typical looking of WW2 armor hatches in their design in many respects...  The AT-ST's as well, but also this new tank.

My friend I was talking about this with isn't a SW fan as much a history guy, but we felt they're very similarly styled to a WW2 German tank destroyer/mobile gun...  At least the profile from the front is similar.  Very low, very cramped (looking anyway, without any inside details).  The Commander's cupola is the most spacious looking hatch that can be seen (as most commander's cupolas are larger), and very WW2 German-ish looking itself actually, but still tight and made more-so by someone wearing armor obviously.  I wouldn't be surprised at them pulling from WW2 weapons to design it since Star Wars has a history of that anyway in its look for the Empire.

The driver's hatch, which only the driver's head is visible, is insanely tight and I'd dare say almost impossible for him to remove himself if he's wearing armor besides a helmet and perhaps a tight/thin or flexible body piece.  You only see his  bucket though, so it's possible he's in a jumpsuit and no body armor.

Hatches are small for structural purposes more than anything, or they'd have larger hatches on actual tanks.  Modern armor the shapes have changed, but they're still fairly tight squeezes to get into/out of, and are still largely rounded.  Larger hatches mean larger weak points that can be targeted though.  The top of the tank is generally weak (in real life anyway), so you try to minimize that...  The size of the hatches on Star Wars vehicles like this (or the AT-ST) make you think that's possibly true in Star Wars too, and they want to minimize weak points on it.

This tank's real purpose is seemingly mixed...  But the hatches are are tight for someone in armor to deal with it, whether they want inside it, out of it, or whatever.  In an emergency it's REALLY bad if you're wearing armor and in something you have to get out of pretty fast.  :-X  I can't buy into these guys then being soldiers who have a need to exit fast, fight, get back in quickly again, fight some more...  It's just not looking designed for that.  Hell it's tough to say if there are even more than 3 or 4 people able to fit in that, actually.

Real armor DOES have the purpose of throwing men into combat though, actually...  Tanks don't specifically, but Armored Fighting Vehicles like the Bradley, that's half their purpose generally (or acting as an ambulance, or command vehicle, whatever).  They're formidably armed too, but are also a transport.  This SW tank though, doesn't have a compartment in the rear for troops from anything I've seen, and like the pictures show the hatches are not large enough for more than a man at a time to deploy.  It wouldn't be practical then even if it could.

Add in that hatches are often focal targets for snipers in combat zones (logical), and having the armor on making it slower to get in/out, strikes me as a position nobody would want to be in.  :-\

I still absolutely love seeing, for the first time, an Imperial vehicle other than a walker in action...  It's just cool that they're looking at the broader scope.  I wish we'd gotten that Rebel armor piece from Hoth made...  It's obscure but not a large vehicle it seems.  Be neat to have that in the collection.  Rogue One is a visual treasure trove when they put out trailers...  I love seeing new OT era "stuff".  Especially now that isn't in some obscure RPG book's pages or video games.

EDIT: Yikes that pic was definitely not shrunk down by the site that posted it.
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: Jesse James on September 13, 2016, 09:37 PM
Except an AT-ST can be crushed by a couple of logs....maybe the armor could help a little.  :D

To be fair, watch the Mythbusters episode on this Matt.  It's interesting...  Plus "scout" denotes they're not the meatiest of weapons to hit the battlefield.  They're the TIE Fighter of land forces it seems.  :-[
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: Phrubruh on September 20, 2016, 05:56 PM
Go Rogue - Animated Rogue One movie using new Hasbro figures to get the new death star plans. The new AT-ACT is shown in action in part 3.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jIrw_AszBvk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jIrw_AszBvk)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yNFo-DQW6PA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yNFo-DQW6PA)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uXFh5rNaDUk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uXFh5rNaDUk)
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: Nicklab on October 2, 2016, 12:56 PM
There's a character reveal that's putting a name to the face (https://www.instagram.com/p/BLDQ0nAhmC7/) of a Mon Cal Rebel that we saw in the SWCE sizzle reel:  Admiral Raddus.
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: Jeff on October 6, 2016, 03:33 PM
One cool little non-toy thing from the Hasbro panel was a nice shot that showed the differences between the Scarif Stormtroopers - Grunt, Squad Leader, and Captain:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CuGRYdMXYAEiKh9.jpg)
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: Phrubruh on October 6, 2016, 03:49 PM
At least they are wearing their long board shorts.
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: Jesse James on October 6, 2016, 06:58 PM
This trooper type's become pretty interesting...  The coloring, the style of armor... 

I read they're "Marines" basically, so while the "shore trooper" is still kind of stupid as names go, they at least have something specialized to them besides being at a beach (IE: Jungle warfare, amphibious specialties, etc.), and that's cool.

That said, the "Naval Trooper" is more or less a marine...  Operating for defense aboard ships, aboard space stations, etc.  They perform various tasks but also act as armed force aboard these places too.  And that makes sense since you see them operating in very much a Marine's capacity abord the DS, Destroyers, and even on Endor at the shield generator which for all intents and purposes would be a "naval" installation.

So what's the deal with these new guys being Marines?

I've always envisioned Stormtroopers being their own branch of military forces...  Could these be the Stormtrooper's specialists then?  Or are these guys separate of Stormtroopers and are armored versions of the "Death Star Trooper" as we know him?  Just a different set of clothes.  Kind of like the 41st Elite's armor changing depending on the need (camo scout-like armor on Kashyyyk, grey marking regular armor on Coruscant).

Of course it's easy to say it's cool to sell new toys with something neat looking that's different but still an armored trooper, blah blah blah.

The colors, I can view them as something easy to see in dense jungle environments to identify your hierarchy of rank...  Quick recognition of who's in charge (or not).  That's basically what the rank pauldrons on troopers are (BTW, Loving that the pauldrons have become standard, not "specialized", as the troopers on Tatooine I still maintain are just regular soldiers and a "sandtrooper" isn't really a thing at all, just my opinion).

In a jungle environment the reds and blues may be readily recognizable...  Plus red/blue being the rank colors of the standard military it seems, perhaps that lends credence to these guys not being within the Stormtrooper ranks (otherwise why not just wear pauldrons of bright colors right?).

That said I can see them being just the Marines of the Stormtrooper legions, easy peasy, but still fun to think about.

All these new trooper and armor types give me new things to ponder with the military structure of both sides...  I enjoy that kinda stuff when it comes up.  I'm curious if we'll see anything from the AT-ST type uniforms...

And Bodie's outfit, it's blue seemingly...  what is his role?  Is he representing those guys on the Death Star II in blue jumpsuits we've never been able to identify as anyone in particular since there's never been any mention of them in any source material?  He doesn't appear to have a grey uniform on like the landing crew people, another new trooper type, so is this just something completely separate?  Are there more colors indicating job/station ala the crew on a flight deck of an aircraft carrier?  The original movies certainly didn't seem to indicate anything that intricate, but they also didn't branch out to how Imperial occupation looked too.
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: Darby on October 6, 2016, 07:52 PM
Like you I'm very interested in the structures and how these guys fit in. I think the traditional roles of navy, marines, infantry etc. have lost nearly all meaning in the SW universe. Those terms are used, but without any real specificity. Stormtroopers essentially serve as marines in the OT. Especially when you watch Empire, you're watching a quasi-naval institution that deploys ground forces (Stormtroopers) as needed. Branching out from that are specializations within the ranks. That's how I see it anyways, but like I mentioned on Twitter, these guys are very interesting. They seem outliers compared to the rest of the OT era Imperial corps and that's a good thing. They are very PT and we know now Krennic is a PT era character and that even one scene in this movie (the flashback with little Jyn) takes place potentially in or adjacent to the PT era.

Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: Scockery on October 6, 2016, 08:38 PM
This is a thing fans of GI JOE get into with Cobra. They apply modern US military structure to them and it doesn't mesh, especially with Cobra's seeming redundant troop types.

Bodie's jumpsuit reminds me of the Rodian Tseebo with the Lobot headset from REBELS. Though, he wore grey. Maybe civilian laborers? INDEPENDENT CONTRACTORS?  :D
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: Nicklab on October 6, 2016, 09:44 PM
Like you I'm very interested in the structures and how these guys fit in. I think the traditional roles of navy, marines, infantry etc. have lost nearly all meaning in the SW universe. Those terms are used, but without any real specificity. Stormtroopers essentially serve as marines in the OT. Especially when you watch Empire, you're watching a quasi-naval institution that deploys ground forces (Stormtroopers) as needed. Branching out from that are specializations within the ranks. That's how I see it anyways, but like I mentioned on Twitter, these guys are very interesting. They seem outliers compared to the rest of the OT era Imperial corps and that's a good thing. They are very PT and we know now Krennic is a PT era character and that even one scene in this movie (the flashback with little Jyn) takes place potentially in or adjacent to the PT era.



THIS.

One of the novels that leads up to ROGUE ONE supposedly deals with Krennic's past with the Grand Army of the Republic.  And that time period may also provide a link between Krennic and Jyn's father, Galen Erso.
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: Jeff on October 6, 2016, 10:07 PM
So what's the deal with these new guys being Marines?

I've always envisioned Stormtroopers being their own branch of military forces...  Could these be the Stormtrooper's specialists then?

Shoretroopers (http://www.starwars.com/databank/shoretroopers) = specialist stormtroopers stationed at the top secret Imperial military headquarters on Scarif, Shoretroopers patrol the beaches and bunkers of the planetary facility.

I think its as simple as Stormtroopers in cold wear 'snowtrooper' gear; Stormtroopers in the tropics/beach wear 'shoretrooper' armor; etc.

And Bodie's outfit, it's blue seemingly...  what is his role?

It sounds like he's an Imperial cargo shuttle pilot from Jedha (http://www.ew.com/article/2016/08/09/star-wars-rogue-one-riz-ahmed-rebel-pilot-empire-insignia)...
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: Jesse James on October 6, 2016, 10:40 PM
Hmm so I wonder if those guys in blue-ish outfits on DS2 are also just cargo shuttle pilots?

I can buy the Shories being nothing more than just Stormies in specialized duds too.

On the real world vs SW world terminology, I don't think things jive all that badly really...  Stormtroopers are, to me, the wild card...  They're a branch of military that seems to transcend army/navy.  I view the Star Wars world as fairly clear on those two...  Or at least with the EU mixed in they seemed to be.  Thus the Navy has their Naval Troopers for defense/work, the army has their "Imperial Army Regulars" (essentially AT-ST Drivers make up that uniform...  infantry just wear body armor ala Veers).  The Stormtroopers are somewhere in between, and are the main fighting body of the Empire it appears, but I can see the army backing them up... 

I'm just seeing how these "Shoretroopers" fit into it all...  Like Jeff says, just stormtroopers in "Marine Warfare" gear perhaps...  Or who knows.

I feel like the terminology works though (Army, Navy, etc) ...  Even within the Alliance there's the "fleet" guys and then the commandos who may or may not make up the army end of the Alliance's military units.  I feel like it's possible it's that simple with them as well.  I think we just don't see much of the "army" save for perhaps units on Endor, which could have a heavy mix (like any large military base/installation on a planet may have)?

That is not to say there aren't scads of uniform variations too, I mean this is only going to get more complex as things roll along I believe. :)

Hmm does this make Bodie an army builder?
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: Jeff on October 12, 2016, 05:12 PM
New Rogue One Poster revealed at StarWars.com; new trailer to be released TOMORROW (http://www.starwars.com/news/rogue-one-a-star-wars-story-poster-revealed-and-trailer-announced-on-the-star-wars-show)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CumLRfqW8AABApx.jpg)
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: Jesse James on October 12, 2016, 08:47 PM
That is a quite well done poster.  The graphics over Jyn and things...  Vader's ghostly image there.  Pretty cool stuff.

And the trailer is kinda out of the blue...  Good Morning America I assume, though internet dissection will be my viewing of choice I think.
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: Nicklab on October 12, 2016, 09:09 PM
It will be on GMA.  Disney is trying very hard to get that whole synergy thing going between Lucasfilm and other Disney properties, like ABC television.
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: Matt_Fury on October 13, 2016, 01:11 AM
This should also be the trailer that opens before Doctor Strange.  I went to see The Magnificent Seven about a week ago...they had the Teaser up before it.
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: McMetal on October 13, 2016, 08:26 AM
Incredible...I have yet to see anything that leads me to believe this movie will be anything other than amazing. Somehow it even feels more Star Warsy than TFA.
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: Phrubruh on October 13, 2016, 09:32 AM
Rogue One second trailer is here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sC9abcLLQpI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sC9abcLLQpI)
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: Diddly on October 13, 2016, 09:39 AM
Oh my goodness! :o
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: Darby on October 13, 2016, 10:04 AM
I can never be as excited as I was for TFA and seeing Han, Luke and Leia again, but - MAN. Am I excited for this movie.
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: Nicklab on October 13, 2016, 10:41 AM
I really like the look of it.  And there are so many nice little easter eggs in there.  I'm really looking forward to this!
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: Dave on October 13, 2016, 11:19 AM
I'm just excited we've got a bunch of new characters, almost none of which is known to survive (granted we don't know if they die either).  I'm looking forward to the freedom the story will have to kill significant characters in the movie and surprise us.
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: Rob on October 13, 2016, 06:25 PM
I'm trying to stay away from the spoilers, and I haven't read any of the posts you guys have been making for the last few months, but after watching the second trailer, here's my prediction that may or may not be true and you guys may or may not have already discussed.

Mads Mikkelson's character didn't want to build the Death Star, but went along with it - so he built the thermal exhaust ports into the death star on purpose, hence explaining why it's so simple to destroy it.

I'll check back to see what you guys are saying in late December...

Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: Jesse James on October 14, 2016, 02:33 AM
Been dissecting the trailer...

Y-Wings actually...  ya know...  bombing ****.  That's pretty cool.

The Jedi statue?  I loved it.

The Imperial hardware...  awesome.

The Imperial base with the loooonnnnngggg landing platform?  Does that remind anyone else of the base from The Clone Wars where Echo, Fives and everyone met and Rex/Cody showed up and there were giant worm things?  Sure seems similar at the very least.

Vader appears to F Krennic up a tad.

Cassian is all kinda kickass and Bodie seems reluctant.

I'm giddy I picked up cheapo Prince of Persia playsets for super cheap.  They're perfect set piece displays for Jedha I think.

The Rebels are definitely being implied as having a cohesive military but also tons of militias involved too, which is really neat and how I always envisioned them to be.  It's neat seeing it kind of expanded though.

Lots of fighting.  I'm all about it.  This movie has me geeked. Maybe it's the era?  I don't know.  It's just great.  The fact the figures are kind of lame stings all the more thinking about how awesome they could be.  I hate to beat that dead horse, but it's just hitting me more and more how badly I miss the figure quality we were getting.  Bah.  I can customize, sure, but I don't wanna.  I wanna love everything out of the package.  That said, even still, as they are, I'm having fun.  K2, and Imperial Traffic Cop are sooo much fun.
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: Phrubruh on October 14, 2016, 09:46 AM
I'm just excited we've got a bunch of new characters, almost none of which is known to survive (granted we don't know if they die either).  I'm looking forward to the freedom the story will have to kill significant characters in the movie and surprise us.

I hear Darth Vader survives.  :P
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: P-Siddy on October 14, 2016, 10:12 AM
I'm just excited we've got a bunch of new characters, almost none of which is known to survive (granted we don't know if they die either).  I'm looking forward to the freedom the story will have to kill significant characters in the movie and surprise us.

I hear Darth Vader survives.  :P

Are you sure?  It could be anyone in that suit!  ;)
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: Phrubruh on October 14, 2016, 12:00 PM
Mads Mikkelson's character didn't want to build the Death Star, but went along with it - so he built the thermal exhaust ports into the death star on purpose, hence explaining why it's so simple to destroy it.

Maybe he was good buddies with Darth Doofenshmirtz and added in a self destruct to his Planet-blowing-up-inator.
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: P-Siddy on October 14, 2016, 12:56 PM
Mads Mikkelson's character didn't want to build the Death Star, but went along with it - so he built the thermal exhaust ports into the death star on purpose, hence explaining why it's so simple to destroy it.

Maybe he was good buddies with Darth Doofenshmirtz and added in a self destruct to his Planet-blowing-up-inator.

YES!
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: Scockery on October 14, 2016, 06:56 PM
Rumors the sequel will be Force Ten from Rogue One. Harrison Ford will play Han Solo's dad.  :P
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: Nicklab on October 14, 2016, 08:52 PM
But.... what about the Bothans?

Seriously, the ruined Jedi statue in the sands of Jedha was a great touch.  It helps establish Jedha as this ancient place that was sacred to the Jedi Order.  Funny though, the hooded figure of the Jedi bore a strong resemblance to ANH era Obi-Wan.

I was also able to find Moroff by going methodically through the trailer.  And it turns out that he's in the scene on Jedha where the AT-ST is attacking the Rebels.

Seeing some of the Rebel Starfighter corps in action was cool.  It looked like they might have been attacking some sort of orbital shipyard, along with some capital ships in support.  I'm pretty sure I saw at least one ship that resembled the ones that Leia got to the Rebels in her season 2 appearance on the REBELS animated series, along with some Nebulon cruisers like the medical frigate from TESB and ROTJ.  And I think the blue flightsuits are pretty cool, too.  The night scenes of the ground attack by the Y-Wings and X-Wings was a great visual as well.

Given the flashback scene, I have to wonder... did the Death Troopers follow in the footsteps of the Republic Commandos?  They seem like they might be an evolution from those particular Clone units.
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: Jayson on October 17, 2016, 11:05 AM
Great pics of characters (http://makingstarwars.net/2016/10/20-new-rogue-one-a-star-wars-story-images-via-star-wars-card-trader/) via Topps. Lots of pilots and soldiers for the Rebellion
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: McMetal on October 17, 2016, 11:14 AM
Great pics of characters (http://makingstarwars.net/2016/10/20-new-rogue-one-a-star-wars-story-images-via-star-wars-card-trader/) via Topps. Lots of pilots and soldiers for the Rebellion

Of all the images that have come out, the various Pilgrims on Jedha are the absolute coolest to me. Man, I hope we get figures of those, background characters or not.

What's up with all the Rebels and their facial hair? Is a galactic 'stache a pre-requisite?  :D
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: Scockery on October 17, 2016, 02:21 PM
Facial hair? Hasbro must've had some influence.
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: P-Siddy on October 17, 2016, 05:06 PM
The one pilgrims look like ERGs
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: Jayson on November 10, 2016, 03:03 PM
New BAD ASS International Trailer  (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTl_Tt3dhPw&t=1s)
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: Jayson on November 11, 2016, 10:11 AM
Another trailer with more footage  (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OU-ugH7fppA)
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: Jayson on November 11, 2016, 10:27 AM
New TV spot (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5yLOid9iiwE) with an ass load of TIE Fighters
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: Jesse James on November 11, 2016, 12:09 PM
Oofah.
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: Scockery on November 11, 2016, 01:22 PM
Well, now we've seen the gist of the movie.

Except where the Death Star partially explodes...because this is the ROTJ Death Star, they were building two at once. The one in ANH was ready to go, the Rogue One station is being repaired in ROTJ. The Empire refused to acknowledge the sabotage from the events of Rogue One and spun some PR "new Death Star" campaign.

Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: Darby on November 11, 2016, 02:07 PM
Um, this movie needs to come out now.
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: Nicklab on November 11, 2016, 08:49 PM
WOW!  That shot of the Death Star eclipsing the star as it orbits Jedha?  And then to see it fire on the planet from that perspective?!?!?!  OMG!!!

I've got a theory about that orbital dock that appears to be at Scarif, but I don't know if I should get into it just yet.
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: JediJman on November 16, 2016, 12:43 PM
Well, now we've seen the gist of the movie.

Except where the Death Star partially explodes...because this is the ROTJ Death Star, they were building two at once. The one in ANH was ready to go, the Rogue One station is being repaired in ROTJ. The Empire refused to acknowledge the sabotage from the events of Rogue One and spun some PR "new Death Star" campaign.

I think its pretty clear that they were building two death stars at once and the Rebels only explode one of them in this movie.  If I'm not mistaken, it is a Rebel surface-to-air missile that ricochets off an AT-ACT into space, hitting a weak point.  Then the other gets destroyed in ANH.  Then they used the fragments from both to build the third death star for ROTJ.  In Episode 8, they will create a 4th death star powered by the Starkiller Sun, which can transform into a giant robot named Unicron.  This is all "rumor" for now, but just wait.
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: P-Siddy on November 16, 2016, 12:57 PM
In Episode 8, they will create a 4th death star powered by the Starkiller Sun, which can transform into a giant robot named Unicron.  This is all "rumor" for now, but just wait.

I can't wait for the new batch of Star Wars Transformers.  They'll be all the rage because kids love Star Wars and Transformers... and a bit of Angry Birds and Army Men mixed in to boot.
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: Nicklab on November 17, 2016, 05:04 PM
Rogue One: A Star Wars Story Featurette (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5sdztM-p98)
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: Matt_Fury on November 25, 2016, 05:13 PM
Tickets for Rogue One go on sale Monday.
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: Jesse James on November 25, 2016, 05:44 PM
Just in time or work. :(
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: Nicklab on November 27, 2016, 05:46 PM

And Royal Guards, anyone?

(http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb135/nicklabatearthlinkdotnet/ROGUEONEroyalguards_zpsa0esim6s.jpg)

When the teaser trailer first came out I saw this image and it was one of the most compelling images of the lot.  What was this?  Was it some sort of chamber for the Emporer since there are Royal Guards flanking it?  A bacta tank?  Some variation on Vader's meditation chamber?

But now I'm about 2/3rds of the way through Catalyst.  I'll admit it, I'm listening to it via Audible since time to read is at a premium, and listening to the audio book in the car has proven to be far cooler than I anticipated.  Be that as it may, the plot of the book has me convinced that this is in fact ***POSSIBLE MAJOR SPOILER*** a giant Kyber crystal that's being utilized for the Death Star's super-laser, as designed by Galen Erso.  And it seems very likely that the Empire has been mining these crystals on Jedha. ***POSSIBLE MAJOR SPOILER***
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: Scott on November 28, 2016, 12:17 AM
How do sites not anticipate traffic on ticket sales...screw Fandango
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: Diddly on November 28, 2016, 12:25 AM
Currently waiting in a virtual line of over 6000 people to get tickets from Alamo Drafthouse, but all I really want is the Mondo pint glass  ::)
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: Jesse James on November 28, 2016, 01:17 AM
Fandango was a shitsmear last year too and I wound up getting them through the theater more easily.
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: Matt_Fury on November 28, 2016, 01:42 AM
How do sites not anticipate traffic on ticket sales...screw Fandango

I purchased my ticket for Thursday Night through Cinemark.com.  It was slow, but it went through.  I like that IMAX now has reserved seating, so I was able to pick which seat I wanted.

I couldn't get tickets for the next day when I take my oldest son...but I was able to use Fandango for those.  Getting both sets of tickets took me about 20 minutes.

45 minutes later, my fan alert from Fandango came through alerting me that tickets for Rogue One were available for purchase.   ::)
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: EdSolo on November 28, 2016, 07:02 AM
I'm glad the theater that I go to has their own site.  Got tickets for two shows in minutes.  It took me longer to type in my info twice than it did for the order to go through.
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: Diddly on November 28, 2016, 09:37 AM
Got my seats... and the Mondo pint glass for me and Former Jedidefender Poster Famine. >:D

Gonna try and swing an IMAX showing but will probably wait for January
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: Scott on November 28, 2016, 12:03 PM
Famine?  Sandwich Baron Famine?
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: Diddly on November 28, 2016, 12:48 PM
Kevbo himself! He's coming to visit in January
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: Jesse James on November 28, 2016, 07:11 PM
No ****?
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: Scott on November 28, 2016, 11:23 PM
Sure looks like the back and head of  Tarkin in that latest TV spot
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: Jesse James on November 29, 2016, 01:43 AM
Agreed!  :D

Every trailer I see new stuff and get more pumped.  This one's tone is pretty hopeless seeming.  The defending the bridge in SPR looks.  :-X
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: Matt_Fury on November 29, 2016, 08:36 AM
I'm pretty excited for this movie...probably more than I was for Episode VII.  From an article I read about Gareth Edwards' shooting this movie more like a war film...(the crews were all in costume just in case they were inadvertently in the shot because they were so organic), to the nostalgic factor of Vader, most likely Tarkin, and even Bail Organa and Mon Mothma being in the film, but not focusing too much on those characters.  As well as the imagery from the previews and no hint of JJ Abrams being involved in the story....this could be the best film made by Disney so far!
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: Jesse James on November 29, 2016, 06:29 PM
I'm excited for this too, more than TFA...  I liked TFA a lot, so I don't have any hate for JJ Abrams and all that, but this is an ideal stand alone thing for me.  Like little taste of something different in Star Wars is all.
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: McMetal on November 29, 2016, 07:07 PM
Agreed, and I hope they keep the darker, grittier feel that was the original vision. This would work much more effectively as a traditional war film than some screwball space adventure.

I think they've assembled a fine cast too. If the writing is strong I don't see how this thing could come out badly. Everything I've seen so far has been pretty solid.
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: Nicklab on December 1, 2016, 12:11 AM
Very cool segment on The Tonight Show with Jimmy Fallon. Felicity Jones was on as the guest, and she did a fight choreography sequence with Jimmy. And of course there was a clip! Great stuff from a chase/fight sequence on what appeared to be Jedha.

Felicity Jones Demos Her Badass Star Wars Fight Moves on Jimmy and clip (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htqVHdIB2qs).

And I have to say, the music really works for me!
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: Diddly on December 1, 2016, 09:11 AM
Speaking of music, I saw the soundtrack was finally up for preorder on Amazon if anyone else collects those CDs.
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: Phrubruh on December 2, 2016, 12:00 AM
Yup, I've got it preordered.
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: Nicklab on December 2, 2016, 05:04 PM
There's a Facebook Live video stream running with the ROGUE ONE cast and director Gareth Edwards right now.  And they're about to debut a new featurette.

Oddly absent?  Jiang Wen.  I wonder if it's because he got a little bit too detailed at the Celebration Europe panel?
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: Jayson on December 6, 2016, 04:32 PM
Cameo

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CzBV2OAUAAAMUmy.jpg)
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: Darby on December 6, 2016, 04:34 PM
 :o  ;D
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: P-Siddy on December 6, 2016, 04:39 PM
Cameo

Word up!
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: Jesse James on December 7, 2016, 01:59 AM
Ship on bottom right looks like it may be a tad Outrider-ish too...  That's nifty if it's the YT 2400 from a recent episode.
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: JediJman on December 7, 2016, 02:52 PM
Cameo

Word up!

How about that!  Guess we need to add "Rebels (SPOILERS)" to the thread title.  That's awesome.
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: Nicklab on December 8, 2016, 08:04 AM
With some of the talk about a CGI version of a major OT Imperial coming in ROGUE ONE, I had been wondering if a certain Rebel General might also get the same treatment.  Well, it turns out that he won't.  Because actor Ian McElhinney, who you may know from Game of Thrones (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0568400/?ref_=ttfc_fc_cl_t16), will be filling the role of General Jan Dodonna.  And there may also be some OT pilots returning, too. 
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: McMetal on December 8, 2016, 08:22 AM
Ser Barristan! I like him. This is a solid cast they have built.
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: Scott on December 14, 2016, 04:14 PM
One thing that has bugged me and still is bugging me right up to release date of Rogue One is the existence of the Rebels in the Cartoon vs the "Rebellion" shown in the movies

I said this way back last year...they could have went after multiple birds with one stone by converging plots/characters etc into this movie instead of making a new group of Rebels to steal the plans.  Plus you could conveniently off the Cell in their delivery of the Plans to Leia and close the loose ends around "A New Hope" "The last of the Jedi" etc etc etc  Now they are going to do this in the Cartoon half-assed and leave open the possibilities of them being alive for post EU stories or co-timeline OT stories.   Its going to really bug me if Rebels leave Kanan and Ezra alive...the rest of the Ghost crew not so much, I get the multiple cells and big galaxy jazz but the Star Wars team has purposely tied them into the OT (Vader, Lando, Leia, the Droids etc)

I also think it would be a perfect way to have brought in Ahsoka to the movie universe as well and definitively resolve her plotline.  Oh well, more toys, more characters more money for Disney
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: Hemish on December 14, 2016, 09:21 PM
Saw it last night and had time to digest it all.
Not having the crawl was kind of weird but it really didn't take long for it to feel like Star Wars.
Tarkin and Leia in there were cool, the cgi to me looked a bit off but that might have been the cinema and the fact I was still a bit tired but man that movie was cool, it's got a place in the top 3
Vader, he was only in it for a bit but jesus he was brutal and James Earl Jones voice just gave me chills.
There were plenty of nods to the original movie as well, seeing red5 die made it clear why Luke got the call sign and finally we learn that the exhaust port was planned all along
I can't wait to see it again to look for stuff going on in the background, I'm sure I saw the ghost flying around in a few scenes so very cool
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: Dave on December 15, 2016, 10:31 PM
Totally awesome!

Was that The Ghost that crashed in to a star destroyer and broke up when the rebel fleet was dispersing?

I haven't read much about the movie so as to avoid spoilers.  I'd love to hear how they did the tarkin and leia scenes. Loved the ANH pilots, although it would have been great to see porkins and Biggs and wedge.

Didn't care much for the ponda baba and dr evazan cameo, but loved all the rest.
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: GrandMoffNick on December 15, 2016, 11:13 PM
Excellent

New characters were great. Loved they all died. Finality!

Space battle was great.

I thought I saw The Ghost on Yavin 4. Gonna have to look for it more next viewing.

Vader just missing the plans was brilliant.

Red 5 dying!

Vader in the bacta tank

Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: Jeff on December 16, 2016, 12:16 AM
Loved it 100%.  Can't really find anything to complain about right now...  really really glad I avoided spoilers so things like Tarkin and Leia were a surprise.

Ponda/Evazan cameo was funny to me - guess we know they survived Jedha. ;) 

Re: Rebels cameos,  I think they were paging a General Syndulla at one point on Yavin  too.  Funny.  Like Scott said, I was really expecting them in there someplace, but maybe they were and I missed it...

Loved the fact that none of them was a secret Jedi or anything too.  I was worried Chirrut was going to end up revealing himself as one, glad the only Jedi was Vader.  >:D  Man, Vader was awesome - the bacta tank, the taking out the RFTs = AWESOME.  Was that secret base of Vader's on Mustafar?  I wasn't sure if I missed that planet name or what...
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: JediJman on December 16, 2016, 12:30 AM
That was awesome!  I cannot believe all the cameos.  I liked them all - the death Star droid, R2 and 3P0, Bail, Rebel Pilots, and obviously Garmin and Leia.  There were a bunch a short audio lines too like the paging Syndulla, K2's "I have a bad feeling about this," even the stormtroopers were saying something about the T16s being decommissioned.  So much awesomeness I can't wait to see it again. 
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: Jesse James on December 16, 2016, 12:42 AM
I loved it, and honestly has to be in my top 3 and possibly 2 star wars films.  A perfect compliment to ANH in every way.  I saw several ghost cameos but don't recall it on Yavin IV.  They did call for General Syndulla though. 

I thought the Jedha street fight was gritty and realistic.  Again so glad I grabbed those Prince of Persia playsets cheap because they will work for that.

I loved the hammerhead corvettes from TOR and then Rebels sacrificing itself... 

And I swear I saw R2MK in one of the hangar shots on Yavin.  Could be wrong, but man I wanna be right.

Oh and Juggernaughts in the Empire?  Awesome.  Tarkin and Leia?  Awesome.  Vader?  Awesome.  They didn't name the planet but I'm hoping that was indeed Mustafar.  And Vader has a butler?  Awesome.

Blue squadron basically wiped out?  Nice inside joke of sorts there. 

Oh YWings bombing ****?  Awesome.  I loved seeing the ATACTs brought down not easily but by more than tow cables.  This blasters don't cut it but lasers apparently can. 

K2SO...  Fantastic.

I'd say if I haves complaint, it's that I want far more black series 3.75" figs than we'll get from this movie.  I want every Rebel, Imperial, and any other figure I could get from this film... In triplicate. :(
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: McMetal on December 16, 2016, 01:20 AM
Incredible...felt a little long but I had to pee pretty bad for the last hour so I'm sure that didn't help.

Might as well get the tiny quibbles out of the way first: could have done without the Walrusman/Evazan cameos, but all the other ones were terrific I thought. Kinda wish the Tantive escape had not been quite so obvious because that sort of destroys the whole plausibility of being on a diplomatic mission.

Was it just me or did Vader's neck look really large? Maybe it was the 3D.

Really wish I could have seen what became of the Ghost at the end there, but it was a lot to take in the first time around. I loved the General Syndulla page.

Vader bring a total badass was awesome to behold. Tarkin they pulled off surpringly well I thought. Pretty much all the fighting was terrific, from the hand to hand stuff to the aerial dogfights.

Glad we got to actually see the Deathtroopers in action! And happy to see Edrio Two Tubes was more than just a Zuvio type character. I thought he was cool as hell.

Kind of a bleak ending but I loved that they went that way. Pretty much lived up to all my expectations. I want more toys!
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: Matt_Fury on December 16, 2016, 04:00 AM
Loved the movie...the only thing I would change is having Raddatz transmit the plans to the Tantive IV instead of the escape.  You could still work in the Vader being a badass scene no problem.
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: McMetal on December 16, 2016, 08:28 AM
After sleeping on it I feel pretty sure this is now at least my fourth favorite SW movie after the OT. Absolutely destroys the prequels. It's like the darker, more grown-up SW movie I've always wanted.

But im sleepy!  :P
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: Dave on December 16, 2016, 10:01 AM
Anybody see it in 3D and have comments on the 3D effects?  Is it worth seeing?

I was going to go see the movie again today (saw it in standard 2D last night) and was debating about seeing it in 3D.
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: StBrianOfMinneapolis on December 16, 2016, 10:03 AM
Did anyone notice Moroff on Scarif? This video implies he may have appeared there. I recall him on Yavin, but not on the Beach.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P2N0Mn4i4Dw
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: StBrianOfMinneapolis on December 16, 2016, 10:06 AM
Anybody see it in 3D and have comments on the 3D effects?  Is it worth seeing?

I was going to go see the movie again today (saw it in standard 2D last night) and was debating about seeing it in 3D.

My showing was 3D. I don't know if it made much of a difference. I think one of the star destroyers was popping out of the screen.
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: Jeff on December 16, 2016, 10:25 AM
I'd say if I haves complaint, it's that I want far more black series 3.75" figs than we'll get from this movie.  I want every Rebel, Imperial, and any other figure I could get from this film... In triplicate. :(

Yeah, that is really sad - all those great rebel dudes on the ground on Scarif, the wierd dudes at Saw's house, the Rebel Pilots, the Rebel council members, so much fodder for 3.75" figures!

And we're probably not gonna get any of it.  :'(
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: P-Siddy on December 16, 2016, 10:37 AM
I agree.  Better costume and alien designs in Rogue One than in TFA (not that we're getting much from TFA either). 

Moroff?  I thought he was on Jehda with Saw's crew.  I could be wrong. 
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: Dave on December 16, 2016, 10:39 AM
Did anyone notice Moroff on Scarif? This video implies he may have appeared there. I recall him on Yavin, but not on the Beach.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P2N0Mn4i4Dw

I thought I recall him running through the palms briefly in one scene.  Not sure if he was on that second U-wing that was taking down the AT-ACTs...

I'm a little bummed that 99% of the rebels attacking Scarif on the ground were all human.  It would have been great to see a bunch of different creatures all in the fight.  Not sure if that was just for budget reasons or not.

We got some great figures of Moroff and Pao, and they were barely in the movie.  Its better than TFA where we had a bunch of figures of guys you couldn't really even spot.  But I was really looking forward to the Moroff character and was hoping he would be a Wookiee like character throwing Stormtroopers around.

Small gripes from an overall awesome flick.
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: JediJman on December 16, 2016, 11:22 AM
Anybody see it in 3D and have comments on the 3D effects?  Is it worth seeing?

I was going to go see the movie again today (saw it in standard 2D last night) and was debating about seeing it in 3D.

I saw it in 3D.  It was cool, but nothing stands out to me as being filmed for 3D where it was flying in your face.  Honestly the best 3D effects were in the Guardians trailer where ships and blaster bolts are flying into your face.  You do get some nifty free SW 3D glasses to keep though:

(http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff43/jman5544/Misc/IMG_20161216_101117783_zpswwcmarfm.jpg) (http://s243.photobucket.com/user/jman5544/media/Misc/IMG_20161216_101117783_zpswwcmarfm.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: McMetal on December 16, 2016, 11:53 AM
Yeah, I saw it in 3D and was impressed. I think there is a crispness there you don't always notice with the 2D versions. Especially with the space battles.

Moroff definitely was on Jedha - he showed up with Bodhi when they first introduced him. I don't think any of those other guys even made it off but if they did I doubt they would have gone on to Yavin.

Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: Jedi Idej on December 16, 2016, 01:56 PM
Love the grittiness of this movie. Vader's brutality. "Good" guys doing bad things for the cause. Seeing how many died to get those plans. Oh, the humanity.

So much to take in. So much action. Lots of funny bits (and the occasional should-have-left-out). My favorite is probably Chirrut Imwe's "Are you kidding me? I'm blind", after getting a sack placed over his head.

I saw this in 3D just so I didn't have to wait 2+ hours for the next available near-midnight 2D showing. First time. A little distracting at first but afterwards didn't really notice.
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: GrandMoffNick on December 16, 2016, 02:36 PM
Love the grittiness of this movie. "Good" guys doing bad things for the cause.

Yeah I really liked how they set the tone immediately with Cassian offing the guy who told him about the "pilot".
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: JediJman on December 16, 2016, 02:50 PM
Love the grittiness of this movie. "Good" guys doing bad things for the cause.

Yeah I really liked how they set the tone immediately with Cassian offing the guy who told him about the "pilot".

I thought that was too much at first - like the Rebels wouldn't have stooped to that level in their idealistic world.  But it's a necessary piece to understand why all those Rebels joined Cassian in the Scarif raid.

Speaking of which, I thought it was a good mix of humans and aliens on the Rebels side.  I think they had to mostly have humans in order to fit in well with ANH, which was clearly a top priority.  It would be weird to see dozens of alien races among the Rebels, then get to Episode 4 and find an almost all human cast.  This was a nice way to bring in some aliens without overdoing it.  I really like the Blue Mon Cal in there as well. 

I didn't get the reference to Blue Squadron...?  Wasn't there a blue squadron in the book, but left out of the movie?  I guess this would explain why we don't see much of blue in the rest of the films.   :(
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: GrandMoffNick on December 16, 2016, 02:55 PM
Have we had any mention of them making a "Stormtrooper Doll" like Jyn had as a girl? I want one for my son and one for myself.
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: JediJman on December 16, 2016, 03:03 PM
Have we had any mention of them making a "Stormtrooper Doll" like Jyn had as a girl? I want one for my son and one for myself.

They had some stuffed beanie figures like that a while back - can't recall if there was a Stormtrooper or not.
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: StBrianOfMinneapolis on December 16, 2016, 04:46 PM
Love the grittiness of this movie. "Good" guys doing bad things for the cause.

Yeah I really liked how they set the tone immediately with Cassian offing the guy who told him about the "pilot".

It's interesting you say that. I was having trouble figuring out why Cassian killed him. At first I thought it was cause the dude was freaking out. Operational security is probably a better reason.
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: tmanthegreat on December 16, 2016, 05:41 PM
Saw the movie first thing this morning (couldn't make it for the first showing last night - and then it was pouring rain so I was glad I wasn't standing in line).  I'm still trying to digest it all at this point, but it was definitely awesome and is the Star Wars prequel that George Lucas never delivered.  Lots of action and a gritty feel.  It was different than any of the other Star Wars films, yet very much the same.  It felt like Star Wars from the classic ships to the locations, just the scale was bigger.  I loved all the cameos - Tarkin, Leia, Vader, Gold Leader, Red Leader, Bail Organa, Mon Mothma, R2D2 & C3P0...  Was great to see all those characters in their classic forms on the screen once again.  The transition to ANH was done very well...  Really you could play this movie and then go right into ANH almost as one long film.

I need to see this again soon  ;D   
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: Dave on December 16, 2016, 06:15 PM
Just got done with a second watching. 

A few extra thoughts:
- I couldn't spot Moroff on Scarif, but the U-Wings dropped off more troops.  Maybe he was in one that wasn't highlighted.
- The rebel ship that crashed in to Vader's Star Destroyer was a transport, not The Ghost.
- 2D is better than 3D.  I thought 3D washed out a lot of the background and awesome scenery.
- The Tarkin scenes were awesome.  I would love to read more about how they did those.
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: Scott on December 16, 2016, 08:20 PM
Caught the first showing this morning in 3D, I think I am done with 3D as it isn't worth it

Absolutely loved the movie, my gripes on the Rebels cartoon still stand, but as brutal as the final battle was there is absolutely no way they would kill a bunch of beloved cartoon characters...

I really like Jedha and wished they would have expounded a little more on its significance

The cool new Aliens (was that an Ugnaught?) they non stop action, Vaders castle!!, it really tied III and IV together and still paid reverence to all that was and is about Star Wars

The very best thing...the end few minutes with Vader storming the hallway...absolutely epic
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: Scott on December 16, 2016, 08:50 PM
Oh and I really want a figure of Vader's Igor that guy was epic!
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: Phrubruh on December 16, 2016, 10:57 PM
Just got out of the theater and loved it! That Igor guy reminded me of Snoke.  Tarkin and Leia looked great. So Jyn's dad was Darth Doofensmerts with his built in self destruct. The ending felt like it was taken from ROTJ with the shield generator and rebel fleet arriving. Sad that everyone died but that was unavoidable.
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: BrentS on December 16, 2016, 11:35 PM
Was it just me or did Vader's neck look really large? Maybe it was the 3D.

Yes!  My only complaint is that Vader looked a bit "off" because his neck was too large (also watched in 3D).

Otherwise, I thoroughly enjoyed it.  I was hoping they wouldn't mess up Leia... it was just about perfect.
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: Darby on December 17, 2016, 04:07 AM
My quick take - LOVED it. For all the reasons mentioned above. The movie isn't perfect. The plot stumbles over Saw Gerrera and Galen Erso. So - the rebels want Jyn to meet with Saw, to get to Bodhi, who has been sent by Galen to Saw with a hologram that explains a flaw in the DS design without explaining how to exploit it so you'll have to go to Scarif to get that but we go to Eadu to get Galen who is narratively dead at this point to literally kill him because - why? Wouldn't the alliance 1) want Galen for his knowledge of said flaw? 2) His potential help in countering the DS or maybe creating something similar for the rebels (hey, what's fair is fair). Killing him makes no sense because the DS is operational and has already destroyed Jedha. You get nothing for shooting him but revenge and that is not the stated goal. The conflict between Cassian and Jyn makes no sense and the scene on the transport after Eadu was awkward and forced. Cassian being a classic Cold War spy who has killed / must kill is a great idea. Killing Saw - I can kind of see it, but then the opportunity is wasted along with Saw's character, and then the plot simply retasks Cassian to kill Galen because shooting dudes in the back is fun. Super convoluted.

But I clapped and cheered and when Vader went full Vader on those dudes I bounced off the ceiling.
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: Diddly on December 17, 2016, 04:53 AM
Saw it tonight, got out a few hours ago and am still digesting things. Just some quick notes for now:

- LOVED the battles at the end, specifically the space battle
- Right from the start they got the feel of the OT just perfect with the farm's furniture and the blue milk
- Everything Vader did was awesome. Those last 5 minutes... straight out of Battlefront
- Tarkin looked amazing at first but then the uncanny valley came into play after a few scenes... Leia looked completely CGI and fake
- Why was the Tantive even in the battle? I had always assumed they were off doing whatever and caught the transmission... would have made a lot more sense with the line "maybe someone out there will listen" or whatever it was
- HATED the Evazan/Ponda cameo, and Evazan's makeup was awful. R2 and 3PO felt forced too, but I loved everything else, especially Gold and Red leaders
- What was the point of all of the new Imperial craft? TIE Strikers were in the movie for like 4 seconds total. Shoretroopers barely did anything. Death Troopers were basically there to look cool. Glad I held off on a lot of the merchandise

Also did anyone notice that hardly any of the scenes from the trailers made the final cut? Like the TIE confronting Jyn at the antenna, Vader in the Death Star firing room, and Krennic talking about immeasurable power. Probably a few others too.
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: GrandMoffNick on December 17, 2016, 10:01 AM
Weren't they trying to kill Galen before they believed what Jyn was saying?
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: Dave on December 17, 2016, 01:27 PM
I was fine with the Galen Erso story line and them trying to kill him.

To me the only part of this movie that seemed unnecessary was the Saw story line.  I liked the fight scenes on Jedha, but didn't feel the Saw story line was necessary.  Especially the octopus brain reading creature.  That part of the store line wasn't overly distracting, but they could have easily had Cassian track down Bodie who had the message and the connection with Jyn.

Agreed the Evazan / Ponda Baba cameo was forced and stupid.  Highly coincidental that they were on Jedha and a day later were in the Mos Eisley cantina right in the thick of essentially the same story line.

Ultimately those are small nitpicks in an overall tight movie.
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: Darby on December 17, 2016, 01:50 PM
I need to see it again (and again!) but Cassian seemed to be trying to kill everybody. He had orders to kill Saw. I believe the order to take out Galen is received on the ship and they divert to Eadu. Could be wrong.
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: GrandMoffNick on December 17, 2016, 02:01 PM
I feel like a bad fan for only having seen it once so far
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: Nicklab on December 17, 2016, 02:34 PM
I just got back from my first screening.  Thankfully, our Rogue SUV got me to the theater through all of the snow!  I couldn't help but see the irony in that.

Gut feeling?  I liked it a lot.  I knew a good deal of the story going in, but that didn't dampen my feelings about the movie at all.  I think the characters were different from what we've seen in the past, but I also think that's a good thing.  I would rather see different sorts of characters navigating their way through the Star Wars universe than for the films to keep on regurgitating some of the same old archetypes.

One notable thing?  I don't think we've seen quite so many planets in a single Star Wars film before. I counted at least 7 myself.  One of which was a complete surprise!  The one where Cassian made contact with his source actually reminded me of one location in Guardians of the Galaxy, but that was probably just my impression.

This was definitely a war movie.  And I think it highlighted that the war between the Rebellion and the Empire was going more from covert actions to all-out war.  The space battle was probably one of the best ones we've ever seen.  And I like the inclusion of some pilots that we've seen before in that context.

I'm going to try getting to another screening during the week.  I saw it in IMAX 3D and I think I'd like to check it out in the 2D format, and sitting dead center in the middle of the theater.
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: Dave on December 17, 2016, 02:40 PM
Just cracked open my AT-ACT.  In it is everyone's favorite all black Imperial Astromech from the movie - C2-B5.  Um, er.  I've seen the movie twice and don't recall seeing any astromech or protocol droids in any of the scenes with Imperials.  Did I blink and miss him?
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: Nicklab on December 17, 2016, 02:51 PM
As Imperial droids go, I saw at least one Viper probe droid, some other KX droids, some RA-7 droids and I heard at least one mouse droid.  But I didn't spot any Imperial astromechs.
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: CorranHorn on December 17, 2016, 04:00 PM
C2-B5 can be seen near the gate that leads into the Scariff base on the landing pad where the Rebels cargo shuttle landed.

And I think there are 8 planets technically in the movie. During Jyn's flashback as a small child, the family home appears to be on Coruscant.
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: Darby on December 17, 2016, 05:08 PM
Definitely Coruscant. I love all the PT callouts in the movie. Let's see, there are:

1 Jedha
2 Scarif
3 Eadu
4 Yavin 4
5 Lah'mu
6 Mustafar
7 Coruscant
8 Wobani (mining colony we first meet adult Jyn)
9 Outpost where we meet Cassian - forget the name

Any others?
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: CorranHorn on December 17, 2016, 05:12 PM
The mining colony was Wombani I believe. Quick side note, wasn't that an Clone Turbo Tank she was being transported in?

Lah'mu, was that the first planet we saw? I thought that might have been Onderon.

And funny enough I thought where we first met Cassian was Jedha, just a different part of the city. I guess I just need to see the movie again. :)
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: Darby on December 17, 2016, 05:14 PM
Just remembered it was Wobani. And that was a Turbo Tank! PT love everywhere. Lah'mu was the first planet, home of the Ersos.
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: Nicklab on December 17, 2016, 06:31 PM
Definitely Coruscant. I love all the PT callouts in the movie. Let's see, there are:

1 Jedha
2 Scarif
3 Eadu
4 Yavin 4
5 Lah'mu
6 Mustafar
7 Coruscant
8 Wobani (mining colony we first meet adult Jyn)
9 Outpost where we meet Cassian - forget the name

Any others?

Wow.  That makes 9?  The trading outpost was the Ring of Kafrene.


I guess my theory about the kneeling figure was wrong.  I know that a lot of people thought they were looking at a bacta tank, but after reading Catalyst I thought that it may have been a giant kyber crystal.  But having seen that scene now?  I was not expecting that Vader would be just hanging out in a bacta tank during his down time, nor would he be guarded by the Imperial Royal Guards.  And for him to live in a castle on Mustafar?  I can't imagine how someone would want to live at the scene where they were burned alive after having three limbs cut off.

The thing is, there's some Ralph McQuarrie concept art for that location:

(https://i.redd.it/3nmr5ccpyo3y.jpg)
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: P-Siddy on December 17, 2016, 08:58 PM
  I can't imagine how someone would want to live at the scene where they were burned alive after having three limbs cut off.

Don't forget he also "killed" Padme there, too.  I just think the reminders of his loses allows him to focus on his anger.
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: Darby on December 17, 2016, 10:53 PM
I agree, I think his being on Mustafar is a manifestation of just marinating in his own pain and suffering, which feeds his power. Funny thing about the planets - Coruscant is now in 5 of the 8 movies to date, the same as Tatooine.
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: Nicklab on December 18, 2016, 01:41 PM
True.  Vader's power truly manifested itself when Palpatine told him of his role in Padme's death at the end of ROTS... even with that terrible "NOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!" that followed.

But OMG, what about Vader taking on those Rebel Fleet troops?  That was something that I think a lot of people have been looking forward to seeing for a long time, and it did not disappoint.  Seeing him fight his way through Admiral Raddus's flagship as the Alderaan troopers were trying to get the Death Star plans away from him was one of the most thrilling moments of the film.  Especially since that melee ended with the Tantive IV undocking from the Profundity (yeah, that's really the name of the ship), and jumping into hyperspace.

Another incredible moment that I took from the space battle?  The Y-Wings making their ion torpedo run on the one Star Destroyer, essentially disabling that ship.  And THEN when Admiral Raddus ordered the Hammerhead Corvette to ram to the disabled Star Destroyer into the other, eventually taking out the shield gate?  WOW!  This may have been the best space battle I've ever seen in a Star Wars movie.

I also have to hand it to Genevieve O'Reilly who reprised her Mon Mothma role.  I think she did a great job.  And it was good seeing Jimmy Smits back as an older Bail Organa, right down to him ordering Captain Antilles around.
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: Darby on December 18, 2016, 02:20 PM
The space battle was everything I wanted and more. I had really no expectations for one before. The Jedi battle is one of my favorite things in movies to this day and nothing has come close, until now. Just amazing bits all the way through. The Red / Gold leader cameos. Maybe the biggest cheer in the theater. The transport running into Vader's destroyer as it comes out of hyperspace. The wrecked fighters skidding across the shield. Vader.

Genevieve O'Reilly was great. I loved seeing her and Jimmy Smits again. I really appreciate them embracing the PT as much as they did. This movie is sort of a continuity fan's wet dream - it ties together every aspect of the saga from the prequels, OT, CW, Rebels and while it doesn't seem to extend to the sequels, I'm going to say it does in a way we don't know yet. Jyn obviously isn't Rey's mom  :'( but it would be odd to wed so much of the saga together and leave the sequels out.
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: P-Siddy on December 18, 2016, 02:57 PM
Vader's butler is Snoke!  ;)  There I've just connected Rogue One to the Disney Trilogy.  Just kidding, but if it were true, the butler would provide Kylo Ren with some intimate knowledge of his grandfather and his cult of personality.

The one minor nitpick I have about Vader facing off the RFTs on the Profundity would be that we couldn't see the lights Vader's life support system before he ignites his lightsaber.  As I said, minor, but accurate.
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: Darby on December 18, 2016, 03:52 PM
I've seen the Butler = Snoke theory elsewhere on Twitter, presented with a straight face.  I do think we'll see the castle on Mustafar again though. The Visual Dictionary is loaded with little nuggets of info, but I think the most fascinating one is

SPOILERS

Vader's planet of birth is listed as UNKNOWN. This is a major retcon of continuity sort of thrown in with an avalanche of other stuff. I think we're going to see a major, major resetting of what we know of Anakin's birth / conception in the force, specifically as it relates to what is going on in the sequels. I've been on of the mind that the seemingly tangential element of the Church of the Force in TFA (reinforced in RO through Chirrut and very quietly with Lyra Erso) has something to do with Rey and / or Jakku, which seems to be a place of significance to the Sith in the Aftermath books.
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: Nicklab on December 18, 2016, 08:20 PM
I just knew that people were going to read into Vader's servant in that way.  And once again...

(http://steelewars.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/snokeTWEET.jpg)


As for some other nuggets?  I like how the temple on Jedha involved the Ancient Order of the Whills, which in itself was the angle for the inclusion of Chirrut Imwe and Baze Malbus, both late of the Order.  The whole concept of the Journal of the Whills is something that dates back to one of George Lucas's initial treatments for Star Wars.  And the Order of the Whills seems to link into the Church of the Force which we were introduced to in The Force Awakens.  Chirrut's faith in The Force leads you to believe that had circumstances been better for him, he may have been a Jedi.  And Baze seems to have had more of a crisis of faith in The Force following the sacking of the Temple by the Empire.  This, plus Jedha's status as a holy city, combined with this reverence for the kyber crystals is really fleshing out our concept of The Force in some interesting ways.  It's not just magic or midichlorians anymore.

And what about all of the shots from the trailer that didn't make the final cut?!?!  OMG!!!  Jyn mouthing off to General Draven?  Gone.  Krennic walking through the water?  Gone.  Saw talking to a younger Jyn (what will you do when they break you)?  Gone!  Krennic's "Power is immeasurable"?  GONE!  That is some cutthroat editing if I've ever seen it.
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: Darby on December 18, 2016, 08:31 PM
I love the idea of them exploring the concept of faith in Star Wars. This is a galaxy where there is this real, tangible higher power yet it is not readily accessible to say 90% of the people. What's the impact of that? What's the disposition of people who want to be part of the Force but aren't? Are they humble? Envious? How big would the drive be for non force users to discredit the idea of the force altogether? if the Jedi are so mythic to go from part of the galactic bureaucracy to 'did they ever exist?' in 20 years, then there has to be a large element of doubt in the galaxy about the force.
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: Jesse James on December 18, 2016, 08:53 PM
Jyn in her head scarf?  The captured Rebel Pilots?  Lotta stuff gutted.

More when I get to a computer but yeah, saw again and loved it as much.  Would like to catch it a 3rd time.
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: Scott on December 18, 2016, 09:34 PM
After unboxing some Rogue One guys tonight and setting them up near ANH stuff it's odd but still sorta coool that OT Aliens seem to be few and far between (same went for TFA).  I'm not really complaining it's just a little odd that Edwards and Abrams both decided to try their hands at making new species...most of them far more better than the crap that was the PT Aliens
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: Jayson on December 18, 2016, 11:26 PM
Folks really need to read through the Visual Guide for Rogue One and then see the movie again. It provides a great backstory for many of the background characters from Saw's crew to all of the rebel pilots and so much more. I found this book to totally enhance my 3rd viewing. The more I think of the film overall, the more I love it.

I think Star Wars Rebels hasn't been given enough credit in terms of world building and how we see the development of the rebellion. Looking back on the series overall, they probably could have left all of the Kanan/Ezra Jedi stuff out (which is still good) to focus on different groups forming the Alliance, but I guess that's what we'll be getting moving forward.
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: Diddly on December 19, 2016, 09:30 AM
Apparently there was a Rogue One boycott, and it totally worked! Star Wars is BTFO! (https://twitter.com/Cernovich/status/810599188010409984) If you ignore the actual ticket numbers and money grossed, but don't let pesky facts get in the way.
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: Nicklab on December 19, 2016, 09:53 AM
Here's a cool article about how Red Leader and Gold Leader found their way into ROGUE ONE (http://io9.gizmodo.com/heres-how-rogue-one-got-its-hands-on-unseen-star-wars-f-1790250545).
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: Nicklab on December 19, 2016, 09:59 AM
Apparently there was a Rogue One boycott, and it totally worked! Star Wars is BTFO! (https://twitter.com/Cernovich/status/810599188010409984) If you ignore the actual ticket numbers and money grossed, but don't let pesky facts get in the way.

It looks like the one guy who was such a malcontent/ne'er-do-well that he managed to get bounced out of Vice Media after helping to found that magazine was part of this, too (http://www.therebel.media/_rogue_one_is_going_to_flop_how_political_correctness_ruined_star_wars). 

Yeah, $155 million in opening weekend box office receipts is a bomb if I ever saw one.  ::)
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: Darby on December 19, 2016, 12:02 PM
The less I saw about this boycott nonsense the better.

Going to see the film for the second time today. Can't wait. I've devoured the visual dictionary and the art of book and I am excited to see the film with a deeper perspective.
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: Phrubruh on December 19, 2016, 12:07 PM
I've been thinking about the scene where Jyn has to climb out of the hard drive depository. There is a door that quickly opens and closes. It reminded me of the room in Galaxy Quest with all the stampers and cutters. I was thinking why is that there? Who designed an escape hatch that won't let you leave? I know it was probably malfunctioning but still kind of silly.

Also, who designs a control tower were you set something to transmit on one box but then have to go out on a platform to realign the dish on a another control? Why are they not in the same place? I think the whole point of it was so she had to shoot down the TIE fighter waiting with her blaster. I assume she shoots the pilot through the glass. I guess the glass can withstand the vacuum of space but not small arms fire?

Those two scenes felt a little video game like to me. 
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: P-Siddy on December 19, 2016, 02:25 PM
Or the comm link switch being located on some random control box out near a landing platform/bunker
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: JediJman on December 19, 2016, 02:46 PM
I took it that most of the data on scarif was for storage/backup.  They would not routinely transmit that data off world - it was more of a knowledge vault than a library.  It makes sense to me that the process would not be easy - kind of like how we have to use special codes and multiple keys and such to launch missiles.  Or maybe they just have different areas in the tower for different purposes.  My local library doesn't have a section for me to transmit data to anyone, but I could bring it somewhere else to read it over the phone or record a video, etc. 

As for the climbing around inside the data core, that was all improvised on the fly.  I thought the imperials would normally use the control-arm gizmo to retrieve the data tapes, but the electrical system was fried when K2 blew up the control console.  Normally I think someone would retrieve those tapes with the arms Cassian was using then take them to a room to review the data, take it off world via ship, or transmit the data with the dish at the top of the complex.  It was a little goofy to have the dish realignment controls way out on some abstract ledge, but there's probably a group of people involved when they have to transmit data, so it wouldn't matter that it wasn't in the same console if multiple people were involved.  Just my two cents.
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: Dave on December 19, 2016, 03:00 PM
Even these days we've got cloud based data backup deployments with things being highly integrated and redundant.  The fact that they needed a physical drive that wasn't somehow connected to a network is technically silly.

If you over think it you'll just be annoyed that they have to physically retrieve (even with robot hands) data from a fancy data tape tower and then plug it in to a terminal to read it (without a security code).   The fact that data backups aren't 100 miles underground in a protected vault but a kyber processing facility is built in to the side of mountain is kind of dumb.  Its also kind of hard to believe there aren't multiple copies located around the universe.  Heck, you could argue that they built the second Death Star pretty quick, even though all of the plans for the first one were destroyed.

Its all just a plot device to move the movie forward and build tension, and I thought it was a tremendously enjoyable movie.

Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: Qui-Gon Jim on December 19, 2016, 03:51 PM
LOVED it.  Vader was so badass.  They need to keep the "continuity expert" in charge of this on board.  My nitpick was the choice of actor for Vader.  Too buff in the neck.  My wife even noticed it.  BUT, HUGE props for making Vader's lenses red.

Since this is a "different" SW film, it would have been awesome to have a post-credits coda with Ewan McG (maybe in session with a spectral Qui-Gon?) realizing something has happened and giving a knowing look to the sky.
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: Nicklab on December 19, 2016, 05:36 PM
Even these days we've got cloud based data backup deployments with things being highly integrated and redundant.  The fact that they needed a physical drive that wasn't somehow connected to a network is technically silly.

For security purposes it's not that crazy for stored data to *NOT* be connected to some sort of network.

There were some technical bits in this part of the story that I appreciated from a purely professional standpoint.  I've worked in some facilities where stored media was accessed via robotic armatures like the ones in ROGUE ONE.  It's really not that far-fetched.

As for the transmission antenna?  Again, I've got some professional interest in that.  You won't always have antenna control equipment co-located at the same position as transmission and receive equipment, but each earth station facility that I've worked with is different.  From a story standpoint it did help for Jyn to have to step out onto that catwalk, though.  And at some point the viewer needs to suspend a little of their disbelief as well.
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: I Am Sith on December 19, 2016, 10:09 PM
Finally got to see it today and am so glad that I stayed spoiler free on this one other than seeing the first trailer.  And as others have said, I was completely taken aback that almost all of the footage from said trailer was nixed from the final cut of the movie.

I absolutely loved that they were able to have Tarkin in as big a role as they did.  Can't wait to read about how that was done.  Also really loved a lot of the smaller cameos and nods like Red and Gold leaders, Leia, the blue milk and the Turbo Tank.  Missed every Rebels cameo with the exception of the Hammerhead, but will be paying better attention when I see it again on Friday.  And yes, it was awesome to see Vader's castle on Mustafar and his massacre of the troops at the end.  I thought the costume didn't look quite right as well.

Definitely a great start to the standalone films and a very welcomed addition to the SW Universe.
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: Jesse James on December 20, 2016, 01:25 AM
On the Blue Squadron thing, that was the original color of Red Squadron, but because of the blue screen filming, blue didn't do too well with the effects shots and red replaced it and all that stuff...  Thus some Rebel Pilots still sport the blue logos on the buckets and stuff, but were only filmed hopping into lifesize props and didn't have the starfield background and stuff.

Anyway, I just found it neat that Blue Squad was who basically got wiped out at Scarrif...  it felt like some kind of homage to include them but not seemingly have many, if any, of them make it back to Yavin and be at the Death Star battle there.

I really enjoyed the entire fighter combat...  They did a superb job with that.  The fighters skipping off the shields (something that should've happened at Endor, and was in the radio dramas and I believe the novel), the sound of the Imperial fighter spiraling and crashing, the U-Wing being a sort of fighter transport that could pull multiple duties, the X-Wings darting into the shield around the transport before it could close off, the formation flying (lots of OT nods with it, but with a good deal more maneuvering and such), Red 5 "explanation"...  I loved the Hammerhead corvette making itself useful... 

And I really want to watch it again now and just confirm but I swear those Rebel Transports are firing...  They actually are doing something!  Hooray!  Finally answering the question WTF were they doing at the battle of Endor?  I always thought maybe they're there to pick up ejected pilots or just act as clutter, floating bombs (didn't do much to the devastator when that one crashed into it though).  Just all around, the space combat was epic.  Best battle in any Star Wars film, for me, and I thought TFA's were pretty epic and well done.

Gareth Edwards gets a lot of the OT...  I have to hand it to him.  You can tell he was living those battles with his action figures too, when he was young...  not now that he's old like the rest of us, and we call it "posing" of course...  right? right?  ??? :-X :-[
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: Nicklab on December 21, 2016, 05:47 AM
This article (http://movieweb.com/rogue-one-scenes-shots-missing-trailer/) gets into the wealth of scenes that were featured in trailers that just didn't make it into the theatrical release of ROGUE ONE.  It looks like much of the battle on Scarif was significantly re-cut.
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: Scott on December 27, 2016, 12:28 AM
Saw for a 2nd time today...a lot more emotional for me this time...like close to tears emotional as Jyn and Cassian are sitting on the beach.   Solid effort and makes me feel good SW is in good hands for years tomcome
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: Nicklab on December 27, 2016, 06:27 AM
The return of a certain character in ROGUE ONE was deemed so significant that the New York Times has written a report (http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/27/movies/how-rogue-one-brought-back-grand-moff-tarkin.html?partner=rss&emc=rss&smid=tw-nytimes&smtyp=cur&_r=0) on the subject, complete with interviews with members of the Lucasfilm story group, ILM personnel and even the actor who aided in the motion capture process.
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: Jayson on December 28, 2016, 11:44 AM
Something that I didn't notice on my first viewing, when DS fires on Scarif, the beam takes out the top of the transmission tower before striking the water/ocean. Was that intentional and if so, why not just fire on the installation directly versus out to sea a few miles? Narratively it gives time for our rebels to have their moment on the beach, but still if the DS could blast Jedha City directly, why not decimate the Scarif complex in the same manner?
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: Jesse James on December 28, 2016, 05:31 PM
I thought about that too, and maybe it's just rationalizing it too much or something, but my thought was they come out of hyper space, and wanted to fire on the planet as soon as they could, and ultimately they wound up getting it at the best angle they could to immediately fire and destroy, but not an angle that allowed a top-down shot like on Jedha.

Just a thought...  or the one that helps me rationalize that anyway.
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: Darby on December 28, 2016, 09:58 PM
This is one of those that is very hard to explain without simply saying, 'Because it's a movie.' The angle provides both a fitting and quick end to Krennic atop the tower, while also allowing a dramatic, slow build death for Jyn and Cassian. Otherwise, there's no in universe explanation for such a clumsy shot outside of the quickness Jesse mentioned. If haste was their chief concern, then they could have destroyed the entire planet in a single shot without giving the Rebels any time at all to run around, kiss their asses goodbye, etc. I could speculate the beam simply making contact with the tower would be sufficient to cause a blast similar to Jedha City, but without knowing exactly the mechanics of the energy dynamics at play and not caring I'm fine with that the way it is.
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: Jesse James on December 29, 2016, 01:34 AM
See I'd lump that in with the haste...  The shot wasn't so much clumsy as that's the first shot they could make that would hit and do the job they're wanting done.  And I figure the single reactor shot itself could be a faster shot taken by the DS...  less destructive, but also far quicker than the "full" shot the DS takes on Alderaan ultimately.  I was figuring that angle was just their immediate shot that would do what they wanted, as quickly as they wanted, sans getting the DS into a better position of course.  I figure it's all just time/timing and them wanting it to end fast because clearly Vader/Palpatine viewed that (the Rebels getting any info on it, the leaks, the open attacks, etc.) as one giant cluster-F of sorts.  ;D

The fact it offed Krennic in a fun way and gave the survivors trapped there a chance to have intimate moments of reflection, hey, great. :P
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: Matt_Fury on December 29, 2016, 09:07 AM
I thought about that too, and maybe it's just rationalizing it too much or something, but my thought was they come out of hyper space, and wanted to fire on the planet as soon as they could, and ultimately they wound up getting it at the best angle they could to immediately fire and destroy, but not an angle that allowed a top-down shot like on Jedha.

Just a thought...  or the one that helps me rationalize that anyway.

I just figured they let a Stormtrooper aim that shot.
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: Darby on December 29, 2016, 12:42 PM
+1
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: Jesse James on December 29, 2016, 03:15 PM
(https://thewordofabby.files.wordpress.com/2015/10/spaceballs1.jpg)
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: Muftak on December 29, 2016, 09:20 PM
And speaking of Spaceballs, I find it oddly satisfying that the "Shield Gate" subplot had already been spoofed thirty years in advance...
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: Diddly on December 30, 2016, 09:26 AM
I saw it for a second time a few nights ago (at the IMAX Theater) and I really enjoyed it a lot more on a second viewing. And it's not like I hated it or anything the first time.
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: P-Siddy on December 30, 2016, 10:07 AM
I'd say Tarkin was trying to stop the transmission from beaming off planet as fast as he could to keep the rebels from obtaining the DS plans.  So he aimed for the dish because it was in range first (?).  It also allowed the drama at the end as well.
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: JediJman on January 2, 2017, 10:19 AM
What if the plan was to hit the tower to stop the transmission and potentially save the rest of the data stored in the tower?  If they hit the tower directly, all the information stored there is wiped out.  If they hit the ocean, they likely take out the Rebels, but it's possible that some of the tower would survive intact.  It seems like there was a lot of other really important classified information beyond just the DS plans in that tower.
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: Phrubruh on January 2, 2017, 12:40 PM
If your going to do that why not just have a star destroyer bomb the tower from orbit? It would be more accurate and faster. Using the death star to destroy the tower is like using a nuclear bomb to blow up a fly.
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: JediJman on January 2, 2017, 01:02 PM
If your going to do that why not just have a star destroyer bomb the tower from orbit? It would be more accurate and faster. Using the death star to destroy the tower is like using a nuclear bomb to blow up a fly.

Per my post just above yours, maybe they were intending to preserve the tower if possible.  A star destroyer bombing would have likely taken the whole tower out.
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: Darby on January 2, 2017, 03:08 PM
I think the intent was to destroy the entire base. Going to see it again tomorrow so I'll listen close at that bit, but pretty sure Tarkin meant to wipe out the entire base and everything in it (plans) to prevent any leaks.
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: JediJman on January 2, 2017, 03:52 PM
If that's the case, why not just hit the self destruct for the base?  It would be silly to have that vast knowledge center and not have any fallback plans in place beyond the shield.
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: Darby on January 2, 2017, 03:55 PM
Well going back to the earlier conversation in the thread - why not just blow the whole planet? Why the odd (but dramatically convenient) shot that strikes the tower before hitting what appears to be pointless real estate miles away from the base? None of it makes a whole lot of sense except the movie needed to have Krennic eat it (nuke dropped on fly) and Jyn/Cassian die slow and sad.
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: P-Siddy on January 2, 2017, 05:47 PM
I think the shot was close enough to wipe the tower out anyway, just like how Saw bought it on Jedha.  Perhaps Tarkin didn't have an angle to directly hit the tower but take out the array?
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: JediJman on January 2, 2017, 06:22 PM
Personally, I don't think you'd fire from space to take out the top of the tower.  That seems like a ridiculously difficult and narrow shot without a lot of purpose.  Destroying the entire planet doesn't make a lot of sense either given it's Imperial controlled.  I thought there was some dialogue about having to charge the laser longer to completely destroy a planet, so they might not have had the time.  If the data was that sensitive, you'd have a way to just self destruct the station itself and it would be far faster to just hail the base commander to initiate self destruct than fly the Death Star there. 

Whether intentional or not, a plausible explanation is that they didn't want to destroy all of the data housed in the vault.  A DS shot into the ocean would create a tidal wave strong enough to wipe out all of the ground troops causing them problems, while the incoming ships could deal with the fleet.  The shot narrowly hitting the tip of the tower could be just coincidental impact of the angle they used while firing into the water, but poetic justice for Krennic. 
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: Phrubruh on January 3, 2017, 09:20 AM
It was more likely this:

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Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: Jesse James on January 3, 2017, 07:53 PM
I think the shot was close enough to wipe the tower out anyway, just like how Saw bought it on Jedha.  Perhaps Tarkin didn't have an angle to directly hit the tower but take out the array?

This has been my theory...  The DS comes outta hyper space, they likely aren't in the exact position to make the shot and the DS doesn't appear to zip along at sublight, so  it takes them a certain amount of time to set up their shot.  Time appears to be of the essence in some way too.  Tarkin wants the leak sealed, orders the "quicker" (assuming) shot of just firing one reactor at the base as soon as they can.  The angle comes in view, they take it, it isn't "direct" but it is the first shot they can take to destroy it, and it does...  but it was too late anyway, and the plans were already up and on their way out basically.  The Devastator (assuming) arrives, blockades what it can, but the final sequence takes place and they're off and running to ANH's timeline.

Huzzah.

I like the notion that the DS's firing can go faster if you use less reactors to do it, but that in general the entire process is relatively slow.  Even at Endor, they're not pew pew pew picking off capital ships, and I'm betting those aren't full power shots like at Alderaan, but rather single reactor shots on smaller-ish targets.  One that can hit a slow moving target like a capital ship but can't pick off anything with great pinpoint accuracy either.  I'd think that factors in.  This isn't a scalpel after all.

Jedha they're directly above the city, just turn the dish down on it, badaboom...  they had all day basically, but they also probably left quite a few people to escape who saw the writing on the wall I'd bet.
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: Nicklab on January 4, 2017, 09:26 PM
I'm glad to see someone else noticed the single reactor mentions (by both Krennic as well as Tarkin) regarding the Death Star firing sequence.  And it makes it seem quite clear that the Death Star was not firing at full power.  Which also ties in with Tarkin's ANH dialogue when he tells Leia that the Alderaan demonstration would show off the battle station in a fully operational capacity.

During the operation at Jedha the Death Star seems to be in a relatively low orbit when it fired on Jedha city.  The same goes for Scarif.  I think that the Death Star was probably not completely ready for a full power firing of the super laser, but single reactor firing sequences were possible. 

But in ANH it appeared that the Death Star was at a considerable distance from Alderaan, as well as from Yavin IV.  That seems like it was intended to be a safe distance for complete planetary destruction.  And from looking at the viewscreen image of Alderaan from the Death Star overbridge, they appear to be at a distance that's at least comparable to the orbit of our moon.

And I think that the Empire very likely wanted word to get out following the destruction at Jedha.  It was a message to the galaxy.  The destruction of Alderaan?  Tarkin intended for that to be an even bigger message.

So far I've only seen ROGUE ONE one time.  I didn't notice that the top of the Citadel was taken out when Tarkin fired on Scarif.  But I think that the intent was to take out the entire facility in an effort to conceal some of the Death Star's secrets that were stored there. 
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: Darby on January 4, 2017, 10:31 PM
Having seen it again the other day, Tarkin says: "Target the base at Scarif. Single reactor ignition." So the intent is to destroy the base wholesale, which does make the way the shot is delivered odd, unless the base is so vast that some of it is located off in the horizon there but again, this is all to justify what is dramatically necessary.
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: Matt_Fury on January 4, 2017, 11:53 PM
Perhaps they just targeted to the point where the blast would take out the base.
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: Diddly on January 5, 2017, 10:19 AM
Could it be that the shot was angled due to the debris? The Jedha explosion looked like it went all the way up into the atmosphere, and might have hit the Death Star.
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: Nicklab on January 5, 2017, 11:21 AM
Check out this piece that ran on ABC's Nightline (http://abcnews.go.com/Nightline/video/rogue-princess-leia-grand-moff-tarkin-created-44567006).  ILM's John Knoll sat down with ABC News to talk about bringing Grand Moff Tarkin and other characters back for ROGUE ONE.

BTW, in the Nightline package Tarkin has a key piece of dialogue where he says "The original plans for this station are kept there, are they not?"  So it seems that destroying the entire Scarif Citadel facility is precisely what Tarkin intends to do when he fires on the planet.
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: P-Siddy on January 5, 2017, 12:32 PM
If you read the novel, Tarkin’s intent is definitely to destroy the base.  He feels the tropical nature of the moon makes those stationed there lax in their duties and very incompetent, like it’s an early retirement: the General in charge of Scarif Citadel (Ramda) has allowed the Rebels to infiltrate the moon and into the Citadel, the admiral in charge of the fleet apparently has lost the battle above the moon (seeing that 2 Star Destroyers are gone along with the defense shield), and Krennic has allow severe security breaches underneath his nose that are unforgivable to Tarkin.  He sees destroying the Citadel as the most viable option and removing several weak links within the Empire.
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: Scott on January 6, 2017, 05:54 PM
Haven't seen much mention of the score here but I thought the theme presented which is "Jyn Erso" according to the Soundtrack sounds really similar to Across the Stars from AOTC.  In fact I kept waiting for the melody to come each time the Jyn theme played during RO...I really liked the score though to this and Giacchino is more than ready to take the torch if/when Williams decides to pass it on
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: tmanthegreat on January 7, 2017, 07:08 PM
Haven't seen much mention of the score here but I thought the theme presented which is "Jyn Erso" according to the Soundtrack sounds really similar to Across the Stars from AOTC.  In fact I kept waiting for the melody to come each time the Jyn theme played during RO...I really liked the score though to this and Giacchino is more than ready to take the torch if/when Williams decides to pass it on

I have to agree with you about the quality of Giacchhino's work with the musical score for Rogue One  :). I've been enjoying listening to the soundtrack over the past few weeks.  His main themes (Hope, Imperial March, etc.) are great additions to the Star Wars musical compendium but He also showed a lot of skill intertwining John William's classical Star Wars themes into the new score.  Williams used the Wagnerian leitmotif technique with his scores - basically using a certain musical theme to represent a character, idea, or action - and Giacchino used the same technique to quite good effect.  I mean, it just wouldn't be right if the classic Darth Vader/Imperial March theme did not play when Darth Vader entered the room during his confrontation with Krennic, for example.  But the use of certain Star Wars musical themes was even more subtle in the Rogue One score such as the flare of the Rebel Fanfare when R2D2 and C3PO make their cameo and you even hear the original theme for Vader from the ANH score and even some of the same string instrumentation heard onboard the Tantive IV from ANH.  Overall, I am just well-pleased with the Rogue One soundtrack- as well as the entire movie overall  ;D
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: P-Siddy on January 10, 2017, 01:46 PM
Question about the soundtrack.  Does it have any of Saw Gererra's theme in it?  I looked at the track listings but I didn't see anything that might have it.  Thanks!
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: stormie on January 13, 2017, 02:09 PM
I saw it twice, and am having a hard time liking it.  :'(

It just didn't "feel" like Star Wars. I sorely missed the opening crawl and music. The way the planets were labeled on the screen was weird. The cameos seemed forced (e.g., Evazan, Threepio and Artoo). Vader looked weird and walked differently, like he almost had a hop in his step. Vader's "castle" seemed like something from Batman, complete with butler. The score was underwhelming and forgettable. Leia was completely wrong at the end and unnecessary. She seemed too gleeful when she answered that the plans were "hope." Plus, she looked too CGI. I would have preferred just showing her silhouette from behind, since we ALL know what ship that is and who's on it. When Vader starts cutting up the rebels, I found that also unnecessary. He would just have his troopers board the ship ahead of him and shoot the rebels, like at the beginning of ANH. The characters were okay, but forgettable. Cassian was hard to understand and seemed kind of like a jerk. He and Jyn embracing and almost kissing at the end was dumb and forced. I wanted more Galen Erso. He seemed like the most interesting character. What's the big deal about the Death Troopers? Black with different helmets, but still inept.

But I did like some things. Even though he was CGI, Tarkin was great. He is so integral to the first Death Star, that he was necessary for this movie. I like also that he essentially just steals the DS from Crennic. The battle in space at the end was excellent. I really enjoyed that part. Jedha was cool, but I wanted SO much more of it. The ships were great; TIE Strikers, U-Wings, etc.
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: EdSolo on January 13, 2017, 03:37 PM
I keep hearing the Vader complaint on him cutting down the Rebel Troopers.  First of all, isn't this what we haven't wanted for years?  We finally get to see Vader kicking butt on screen.  As for practicality, in Rogue One the Rebels have just stolen the Death Star plans, but have not had to analyze them.  If Vader manages to get them back, the Alliance gains nothing.  Time is of the essence, hence why Vader is doing it himself.  If the Rebels escape, they can get the plans to Alliance leadership.  In ANH, Vader has captured the Tantive IV and has disabled it.  It isn't going anywhere.  The Rebels are not going to escape.  He can take his time so he sends in the Stormtroopers to pick off the Rebels.
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: Rob on January 13, 2017, 05:01 PM
I saw it twice, and am having a hard time liking it.  :'(

It just didn't "feel" like Star Wars.

Some guys at my work had the same impression... I didn't get it.  To me it felt as much like Star Wars as anything.  My best theory for the disconnect between me and the other gents at the office is that I read like 60 of the novels when I was younger, so my Star Wars universe is a lot larger than their's... Not that he's actually racist, but I think the new Star Wars' focus on multi-cultural characters takes him out of it, as does the idea of planets that aren't the type we're used to.  He hated the palm trees for example... I didn't care because to me the Star Wars universe is massive.  I did think that basically putting Zatoichi into the film was a bit of a stretch.

Given the imperial presence, I actually felt like it felt more like Star Wars than anything other than the OT, but that's just me I guess.  I liked it a lot.
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: Nicklab on January 13, 2017, 05:30 PM
I finally got a second screening in yesterday.  And this time around I was able to pick up on more of the easter eggs.  Spotting the Ghost on Yavin IV as well as during the space battle was great.  I missed Chopper making his way around the base, but that's not a major tragedy.  It was also good to hear that page for GENERAL Syndulla.

The lack of the crawl wasn't quite as jarring this time around.  I noticed it a good deal more on my first screening, but maybe since I was better prepared for there being no crawl or the opening fanfare I was ready to get right into the prologue.

I was also able to pay more attention to the score, too.  There were plenty of nods to John Williams work in there.  Some of the music during Jyn and Cassian's fight with the Stormtroopers on Jedha sounded like it could have been from an OT movie and probably would have worked in one of the Indiana Jones movies, too.  I also noticed the one theme that was similar to "Across the Stars".  It was not just your impression, Scott, because it hit me very much the same way.

I was also able to pay attention to the moment when the transmission tower on Scarif got vaporized.  Based on where the beam struck in the water, I get the sense that the tower was not specifically targetted.  That shot just had to be within a reasonable proximity of the Scarif base and would have annihilated it either way.

I definitely liked seeing OT Vader in action on Admiral Raddus's ship.  Some of his fighting style actually looks like some of the Vader vs Rebels videos that were used to demo Battlefront (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hAVyvAyO4wI).  It made me wonder if the Battlefront developers got a look at ROGUE ONE in the process of developing Vader for the game.  One thing that surprised/confused me?  The interior of Raddus's ship looked strikingly like that of the Tantive IV.  While the interior of almost any Imperial facility looks similarly stylized, I always thought that Rebel Alliance craft might not be quite as standardized.  So when the Rebel troopers made their way from the Profundity into the Tantive IV, there really was no indication that they had gone from one ship into another.  At least until after that hatch had been closed and Gareth Edwards (in his role as a Rebel Fleet Trooper) disengaged the docking clamp and the Tantive IV broke away.  My one quibble with this situation?  Vader enters that docking bay just in time to see the Tantive IV breaking away, and his cape is billowing.  In space.

My only other continuity question?  C-3PO and R2-D2 are on Yavin IV as the Rebel fleet is scrambling for Scarif.  The Profundity had presumably already left, since that one Rebel technician reports to Mon Mothma, General Merrick and Bail Organa that Raddus has left for his ship.  Maybe I'm just getting too tied up in the process, and the Rebel fleet had sometime to assemble in Yavin orbit before making the jump to hyperspace, but all in all I think that might be minor stuff.
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: Darby on January 13, 2017, 06:13 PM
I thought about the R2/3-PO thing. Very close to being a major continuity error. You could argue the ship hadn't left yet but I want to say someone informed Mothma he had already. Maybe he was about to.
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: 77Skywalker on January 13, 2017, 08:57 PM
One of my initial reactions in Rogue One was the we hear in the end credits the very music that was in the end credits of Star Wars Episode 3: Revenge of the Sith, Star Wars Episode 4: A New Hope, and Star Wars Episode 6: Return of the Jedi.
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: Diddly on January 17, 2017, 09:23 AM
I honestly thought the cameos were the worst part of the movie. 3PO and R2 felt shoehorned in just to say they've been in every movie. And Evazan/Ponda reeks of some corporate doofus watching Star Wars for the first time and ordering them in.
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: Qui-Gon Jim on January 18, 2017, 11:45 AM
Check this out:
http://io9.gizmodo.com/rogue-one-music-syncs-up-perfectly-with-star-wars-impe-1791283882

Pretty awesome.
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: Matt_Fury on January 18, 2017, 04:56 PM
I honestly thought the cameos were the worst part of the movie. 3PO and R2 felt shoehorned in just to say they've been in every movie. And Evazan/Ponda reeks of some corporate doofus watching Star Wars for the first time and ordering them in.

The only cameo I did not like were the ones for Walrus Man and Dr Evizan.  Evizan just didn't look right at all.  The flip side is that I loved seeing the Ghost and chopper as well as the General Syndulla page.
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: Nicklab on April 6, 2018, 08:31 AM
Check out this Hollywood Reporter article (https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/star-wars-rogue-one-writer-tony-gilroy-opens-up-reshoots-1100060?utm_source=t.co&utm_medium=referral) about how Tony Gilroy stepped in during the reshoots for ROGUE ONE - A Star Wars Story.  It paints a picture of a production that was in serious trouble, and how Gilroy's intervention radically reshaped the movie.  A lot of Gilroy's comments came from an interview he did on a podcast called The Moment with Brian Koppelman (https://www.acast.com/themomentwithbriankoppelman/tony-gilroy-4218).  And his comments on ROGUE ONE are at the 46:00 minute mark.

An interesting side note?  Back in 2016, actor Ben Mendelsohn stated that there's a radically different version of ROGUE ONE that exists (https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/rogue-one-alternate-scenes-ben-mendelsohn-says-enormously-version-exists-959791), and that it was Gareth Edwards original director's cut.
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: Darby on April 6, 2018, 09:51 AM
Release the Edwards cut!  ;)

Very frank from Gilroy... if his contributions were primarily to the characters/arcs, he absolutely missed the boat on Jyn. The first hour of that movie is the most clumsy in all of SW. The story keeps underlining the same beat, over and over, until the last 45 minutes... which might be the best in SW. Very curious to know more.
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: Jeff on April 6, 2018, 10:38 AM
Back in 2016, actor Ben Mendelsohn stated that there's a radically different version of ROGUE ONE that exists (https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/rogue-one-alternate-scenes-ben-mendelsohn-says-enormously-version-exists-959791), and that it was Gareth Edwards original director's cut.

Very curious to know more.

If you haven't seen it before, this is a pretty good summary of a lot of stuff that was filmed/changed/cut:  Everything Cut from Rogue One (https://io9.gizmodo.com/everything-cut-from-rogue-one-a-star-wars-story-1794051677)

Lot of stuff in there about the possible alternate endings, some of which were filmed and screened for LFL folks.
Title: Re: Rogue One (SPOILERS)
Post by: Darby on April 6, 2018, 11:03 AM
Thanks!

I've seen most of that before, but good refresher. I'm really interested to know what the initial cut/script looked like, considering Gilroy's severe assessment of it.