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Collectibles => The Black Series 6" Figures => Topic started by: Scott on June 22, 2015, 05:50 PM
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So where does C-3PO fit in everyone else's plan? He seems like a no brainer to me so I don't think I'll include him for this exercise.
It will be interesting how obscure other sites go as well, I imagine ours might have a few surprises on it ;)
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I see Hasbro didn't exclude EU from the list.
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My list is more of personal wants, and was actually kind of hard to put together. I'll probably revise it a few times before the deadline. That was the main dilemma for me, do I use a vote on a main character that WILL be made or waste it on a minor character that won't?
As for 3PO, the Revoltech version is working fine for me.
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I'd dare say if you don't like Revoltechs you could do very well with Bandai's... That type of stuff would weigh on my C-3P0 ( :-X) decisions.
I've got a list for sure... Tarkin and RFT would be on mine obviously, as would a basic Rebel Pilot like Wedge maybe, but also I'd say a Hoth or Endor Rebel could both be equally awesome in my list.
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I figured that C-3PO is coming soon enough. I wasn't going to waste a vote there. And there are some more fringe characters that I'd like to see made, too.
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JTA is reporting the following are rumored to be coming... if that changes anyone's vote or not:
Grievous
Rex
C-3PO
Jango Fett
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I see a lot of people on twitter saying they are voting for Ahsoka... didn't they already announce she's coming to the 6" line in 2016 (http://www.jedidefender.com/modx/index.php?id=1527)? ???
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I totally forgot about the 6" Ahsoka until your post jogged my memory. The prototype got shown at Celebration, right? I changed my Ahsoka vote to one for Grievous.
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I totally forgot about the 6" Ahsoka until your post jogged my memory. The prototype got shown at Celebration, right? I changed my Ahsoka vote to one for Grievous.
Grievous is coming too according to JTA.
Seems like the best idea would be to simply vote for a character that is unlikely to be made otherwise, at least anytime soon. Cantina/Jabba's Palace goons - I'm looking at you!
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I understand that logic, McMetal, and I'd be glad for people to get the ones they want. I'm only getting a few characters I really want and not going all out in this line (since I already have the 4" counterparts)... of course, I still don't know what the cut-off is for me so that's a problem.
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I put in votes for the three TESB bounty hunters to round out the set, because I don't know if they're popular enough for Hasbro to do them on their own. When it comes to other characters, I figure if the "man on the street" may recognize them if I showed them a photo, there's no need to vote for them. Grievous, Jango? They fall into that category. So I voted for a bunch of female characters that deserve some respect. And Jaxxon...just because I feel the need to keep that name out there....I want him and I don't care what scale.
And I've seen the votes for Ahsoka also and my view is if you're a collector and you don't pay enough attention to know that the ONE reveal Hasbro had at Celebration was her, you don't deserve to vote... I have seen a couple people tack on a Rebels tag for her, but if we're already getting a CW version, which she's more famous for, cut it out.
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I agree about the 3 remaining Bounty Hunters. Especially since Hasbro was asked about them and they said they weren't coming anytime soon. Sabine would be cool, too. I put down Carbonite Han since he hasn't had a wide-release yet and some of us weren't able to get the SDCC version when it was put up on HTS and want to get it at a decent price.
Actually, there are some very cool votes on this list.
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Everybody vote Jaxxon!
These things always seem rigged.
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I totally forgot about the 6" Ahsoka until your post jogged my memory. The prototype got shown at Celebration, right? I changed my Ahsoka vote to one for Grievous.
Grievous is coming too according to JTA.
Given my own personal experience with the current editorial staff at JTA (and their knack for bluster), I'll take their word with a ***BIG*** grain of salt.
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I see some animosity towards ICMG on Twitter... WTF? He never pegwarmed. I'd love a 6" one.
Now, Jocasta, Yarna... those sucked.
I'm getting my list tidied up pretty well here I think.
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It would kind of be cool if the first 6" Fan Choice figure was the same as the 3.75" (McQuarrie Stormtrooper).
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It's rigged, they've all been. Watch some figure they've already got in development win.
Capt Rex, Grievous, Jango...
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It would kind of be cool if the first 6" Fan Choice figure was the same as the 3.75" (McQuarrie Stormtrooper).
Hey now, don't be dissing the Duros. Ellors Madak (http://www.galactichunter.com/q_and_a/fanschoice.asp) was the winner of the very first Fan's Choice Poll (2000).
McQuarrie Stormtrooper didn't win until poll #4 (2002).
Past Fan's Choice Winners:
1. Duro (Ellors Madak) - Spring 2000
2. Amanaman - Fall 2000
3. Ephant Mon - Winter 2001
4. McQuarrie Stormtrooper - Summer 2002
5. Captain Antilles & General Dodonna (tie) - Summer 2003
6. Quinlon Vos & Darth Revan - 2006
7. Bastilla Shan - Winter 2009
8. Mara Jade - Winter 2011
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Wow, they've really done a ton of these.
Fans are kinda spoiled. :-X
I'd forgotten Duros won first... I was with Steve, I thought it was the McTrooper.
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Thanks for the correction, Jeff. The Duros was cool. I'd still take a McQuarrie line of 6" figures, though, even if the first one was #4. ;)
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Just an update, Hasbro is taking our Top SIX figures, not just five.
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What if there's a tie at #6? TIEbreaker? 😃
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Hasbro would like our 1-6 ranked in order, so if there is a tie at any position on the top six list, I will act as the judge for the final order/ranking (so I'm the TIE-breaker).
I am abstaining from posting a 6" wishlist to avoid my vote counting twice. #transparency
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My list is up... Lots of the army builder types. Kyle Katarn was my guilty pleasure, as was ICMG to a degree. :-X
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Too bad this poll is coming so early in the line. I fear something like Tatooine Luke will end up "winning".
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Already enough Lukes IMO. Hopefully we get something cool at least
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Doing some unofficial vote tallying this morning.
Sites reporting so far (19) - JediDefender, Yakface, Flyguy, Sir Steve's Guide, Jedi Temple Archives, Galactic Hunter, Wolfpack Podcast, Black Series Facebook Fans, Jedi News UK, Yoda's News, 4lomkuss.com, JediBusiness, Star Wars Collector, Making Star Wars, Topless Robot, Collectors Cantina, Imperial Ship Yards, Jedi Insider, SW Action News.
Current totals (1st place vote = 6 points, 2nd = 5, etc):
72 Darth Revan
44 Gamorrean Guard
25 Snowtrooper
24 Starkiller
23 General Grievous
22.5 Asajj Ventress
21 Ben Kenobi (ANH)
17.5 Mara Jade
15.5 Lando Calrissian (ESB)
14 Emperor's Royal Guard
11 Zuckuss
10 Ahsoka Tano (CW)
8 4-LOM
8 Sabine Wren
7.5 Hammerhead
7 C-3PO
6 Anamaman
5.5 Bib Fortuna
5 Admiral Ackbar
5 Darth Talon
5 Grand Admiral Thrawn
4 Count Dooku
4 Dengar
4 Luke Skywalker (ANH)
4 Wedge Antilles
3 AT-AT Driver
3 Darth Maul (CW)
2.5 Gand Moff Tarkin
2 Cad Bane
2 Captain Rex
2 Jango Fett
2 Jawas
2 Padme Amidala (ROTS)
2 Princess Leia (ANH)
1 ARC Trooper Fives
1 Bo Katan
1 Dash Rendar
1 Jaxxon
1 Max Rebo
1 Qui-Gon Jinn
If you know of other sites/results, please share so we can update the totals. Thanks!
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Grumble Grumble...Revan? Seriously?
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Was chatting with someone last night and then Adam Pawlus on twitter - this fan choice poll is a pretty good look at the demographics of the sites.
A place like this, with a lot of collectors who have been around forever = 4 ESB, 2 ANH in our top six. GH is another example - 3 ROTJ, 2 ANH, 1 EU.
Many newer sites (including some that I've never heard of until today) = lots of CW, EU, prequels. Podcasting based sites also seem to skew towards EU/CW.
Grumble Grumble...Revan? Seriously?
Someone pointed me to the JediBusiness 6" poll results - they have Revan (Reborn) at #3 and Revan (NOT Reborn) at #6. I don't even know what that means... ???
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It's funny how Hasbro does a fun poll for the fans and the results have made the "pulse" rise from several people because they don't like Revan or EU or they are disappointed by the lack of representation from EU and assume all other PT or OT figures are guaranteed to be made.
It's a democracy, enjoy the bone that Hasbro gives us from time to time.
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What a waste of time and effort. I was reading comments on anotheR Site and they were basically "I don't care if ANH Luke (Insert other sure-thing OT character) is coming, I don't want to wait two years" and then the other half was all about Revan which is a boring, uninspired choice.
Ahsoka is already coming and the only other top 10 character on the list I'd remotely be interested in buying is Asajj Ventress. After that we're way down to the AT-AT Driver and then at the bottom, Sabine and Talon.
Of that list there are only 5 characters that I'd buy and only 2 in the top 10...and one of those is already on the way. And to be honest, I really feel like the only reason Revan won is because the 3.75" figure sells upwards of $100 on eBay sometimes.
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Someone pointed me to the JediBusiness 6" poll results - they have Revan (Reborn) at #3 and Revan (NOT Reborn) at #6. I don't even know what that means... ???
Been a while since I've played KOTOR... this has to be in reference to the swerve, right? Masked Revan vs Unmasked Revan? Because we'll never get an unmasked Revan unless Hasbro does one of those "you sculpted as a figure" events again.
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Yeah I'm not bothered either way. I never was with the old polls either though. I think some are a foregone conclusion but I always say vote for what you really want not what someone tells you is likely to get done or not done.
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It's fan choice so it's hard to argue. I'm just glad those youngens voting for EU and PT are out there helping make sure the world of SW continues to be relevant. Without it what else would we complain about?
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Another set of results (http://makingstarwars.net/2015/07/hasbro-6-black-series-fans-choice-poll-final-results/) to add to the unofficial tally.
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I think that's a ridiculous choice but no one is forcing me to buy the stupid thing so whatever.
I just wish they had limited it to canonical characters.
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Hasbro isn't bound to make the top vote getter, are they? In the past haven't they just used this as a form of input, and then selected the one they wanted off the list?
e.g. they could select the Gamorrean Guard and say he was a top request from fans?
I agree that Darth Revan wouldn't be in my top 100. I'll take nearly any OT character over a PT or EU character any day. Although I've got a soft spot for Star Wars Rebels, so I'd be pretty pumped about a Sabine figure.
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It'd be nice to see them do a nice box set of the Rebel figures in 6 inch, kinda like what Marvel does for Amazon and TRU.
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Hasbro isn't bound to make the top vote getter, are they?
According to the original press release, yeah - the winner of this 6" Fan Choice Poll gets a 6" figure in 2016.
The weighted top 6 from this fan site round will be posted on StarWars.com for voting round 2 starting tomorrow, July 2nd. Round 2 voting lasts a week. Then the winner of the StarWars.com round of voting will be announced at the Hasbro SDCC Panel and made into a 6" figure.
All of this subject to whatever Hasbro wants to do, of course. Once the voting is back in Hasbro/SW.com hands, plenty of room for shenanigans to occur. :-X
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Once the voting is back in Hasbro/SW.com hands...
Do we also include Disney in this as well? They pretty much own all things Star Wars now so any figure in that would win a fan poll would have to get their blessing. They were the ones that said they wanted to focus on the OT and scraped the EU, so I'd be surprised if Disney would say, "Yeah, go with this EU character that is no longer canon in our Disney Star Wars Universe."
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If that were the case, then it would have been a pretty dick move for Hasbro to include this in the original release:
"PLEASE NOTE: All STAR WARS characters are eligible for the poll, EXCEPT characters from STAR WARS: THE FORCE AWAKENS."
Anyway, that "not Disney EU" may not apply to Revan anyway. He is a big part of the current Star Wars: The Old Republic video game expansion, so you could make the argument that he is Disney SW canon since the expansion came out after Disney. ;)
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I agree it would be a dick move if they said "No" to a bunch of votes since they didn't exclude them in their disclaimer. If Revan is a part of the current canon EU, great! It would be funny if, say, Thrawn (I'm assuming he's non-canonical) won. I wonder how the suits at Disney would feel about that? "Oh! The fans want a Star Wars figure that isn't considered Star Wars by us."
I guess I'll answer my own question by saying question, if it makes them money I doubt they'd care.
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SWAN results (http://reviewstarwars.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=257864&sid=624f128cdd764f638ae8caebe886dbae#p257864)
1: Sabine
2: Admiral Ackbar
3: Darth Talon
4: Gamorrean Guard
5: Asajj Ventress (Dark Disciple)
6: Jaxxon (and I was a bit embarrassed sending that one to Hasbro LOL)
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Up to 19 sites now - JediDefender, Yakface, Flyguy, Sir Steve's Guide, Jedi Temple Archives, Galactic Hunter, Wolfpack Podcast, Black Series Facebook Fans, Jedi News UK, Yoda's News, 4lomkuss.com, JediBusiness, Star Wars Collector, Making Star Wars, Topless Robot, Collectors Cantina, Imperial Ship Yards, Jedi Insider, SW Action News.
Current totals (1st place vote = 6 points, 2nd = 5, etc):
72 Darth Revan
44 Gamorrean Guard
25 Snowtrooper
24 Starkiller
23 General Grievous
22.5 Asajj Ventress
21 Ben Kenobi (ANH)
17.5 Mara Jade
15.5 Lando Calrissian (ESB)
14 Emperor's Royal Guard
11 Zuckuss
10 Ahsoka Tano (CW)
8 4-LOM
8 Sabine Wren
7.5 Hammerhead
7 C-3PO
6 Anamaman
5.5 Bib Fortuna
5 Admiral Ackbar
5 Darth Talon
5 Grand Admiral Thrawn
4 Count Dooku
4 Dengar
4 Luke Skywalker (ANH)
4 Wedge Antilles
3 AT-AT Driver
3 Darth Maul (CW)
2.5 Gand Moff Tarkin
2 Cad Bane
2 Captain Rex
2 Jango Fett
2 Jawas
2 Padme Amidala (ROTS)
2 Princess Leia (ANH)
1 ARC Trooper Fives
1 Bo Katan
1 Dash Rendar
1 Jaxxon
1 Max Rebo
1 Qui-Gon Jinn
** Still need results from at least 5 more sites that seemed to be running polls too (thanks google search!) - Rebelscum, Creature Cantina, Fwoosh, ComicBook.com, Action Figure Fury.
If you know of other sites/results, please share so we can update the totals. Thanks!
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Revan is one of those EU guys that now only older guys would vote for.
Kind of funny. I mean I like Revan because I really liked KotOR and TOR. It probably wouldn't get made without fans voting too so I guess that makes it fit the bill. Whatever I guess. Yay?
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I understand voting for the character that you really want but if my number one choice is the AT-AT Driver, I'd at least spend five minutes to see if he's already on the way and if he is I'd vote for my number two.
It can be argued that C-3PO, Grievous and the others haven't been confirmed yet but Ahsoka is and she still got votes under the guise of people wanting another outfit or a Rebels version.
So what, we champion a character that a fraction of the community really knows anything about or vote for a bunch of stuff already coming, or on the short list, or a character variant before unique characters get done?
Hasbro is going to get bailed out of the worst distribution problem they've had in 20 years by the luck of a new movie coming out and they throw us a bone of a fans' choice poll and we're gonna end up with Revan? Again.
It's an interesting observation on estimated ages of the fans on the various sites but more than pointing to different generations having different attachments to the franchise, I think it also points out who approach this more as a collector hobby (paying attention to upcoming releases as well as how Hasbro operates historically) and who approach it as gimme, gimme consumer looking for quick satisfaction so they can move on and demand the next thing now.
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Doesn't Darth Revan and Kylo Ren share the same basic look and feel? We are already getting one character that looks like that. Why do we need another?
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Round Two Voting Open at StarWars.com (http://www.starwars.com/news/poll-vote-for-the-next-star-wars-the-black-series-6-inch-figure?linkId=15285493)
- Ben Kenobi (ANH)
- Lando Calrissian (ESB)
- Darth Revan
- Sabine Wren
- Gamorrean Guard
- Snowtrooper
- General Grievous
Looks like our unofficial results were pretty close. Those outstanding polls (Rebelscum, Action Figure Fury, ComicBook.com, Fwoosh, and possibly others) must have had some good support for Sabine, Ben, and Lando to get them to leapfrog Asajj, Starkiller, and Mara Jade.
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Something's fishy
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Okay, I have been reading the various tweets and complaints about the poll results with some bewilderment and, for what might be the first time ever, I'm choosing to view things with a little bit of optimism here and not see things as a massive conspiracy on Hasbro's part. Before anyone who knows me does a huge spit-take all over their computer screens, I'm willing to concede that there was probably a huge lie told in the wording of "any character not from TFA" in the original instructions to arrive at this list, but if you look at it with rose-colored glasses (and no, I am not currently intoxicated nor on non-prescription drugs), it might make a little more sense. Granted, it at least makes more sense than voting for Grievous given that he's showing up in computers as coming soon, but still.
Going by Jeff's list of the top vote getters from the various sites on the previous page, we have the following:
Darth Revan
He made the top 7 on SW.com. Currently in an awkward state of canonicty due to his inclusion in the ongoing TOR game, so he doesn't technically fall into the "Legends" universe, which would make him off-limits to Disney suits.
Gamorrean Guard
Snowtrooper
Film-based characters. Acceptable and no issues with any of these being on the list.
Starkiller
Here's where it gets tricky. While the original instructions said "ANY" character not from TFA, I'm suspecting it meant "ANY POST-DISNEY TAKEOVER CHARACTER" instead, meaning no "Legends" character. With that said, it probably disqualified Mr. Marek from being included on the list. If true, the fault for that lies purely with Hasbro for not making the rules clearer to begin with.
General Grievous
Film-based character, and inclusion isn't a problem, if you can get past the fact that we are all about 90% certain he's coming anyway thanks to leaked lists all over the interwebs. Either way, I'm sure we won't get official word on that until after the announcement of who won the Fan Choice poll at SDCC, or we'll get word at NYCC that he had such huge support that Hasbro decided to make him anyway. See, I can still be cynical!
Asajj Ventress
This is the one that confuses me a little bit, to be honest. Personally, I'd love a Ventress 6" figure, and she still qualifies given that the majority of her appearances are canon (Clone Wars, Dark Disciple). While I don't think she was left off intentionally (and I hope that wasn't the case, especially given George Lucas and his daughter's vocal love for that character), I'm wondering if this wasn't a case of Sabine's current visibility in Rebels being given precedent. If any one character being passed over indicates some fudging of the data, this would be the one that does so in my eyes.
Ben Kenobi (ANH)
Lando Calrissian (ESB)
Both film-based characters, and both made the final list (deservedly so).
Mara Jade
Another "victim" (and I use that term VERY loosely) of the unspoken "Legends" rule invocation. Plus I find the constant cries of Mara Jade conspiracy theorists to be hilarious, especially since I find the character to be annoying and awful. Personal opinion, yes, but she's no longer canon, and that was probably why she was left off the final list. That and she didn't get enough votes to make it to the finals. :)
You're damned right I'm petty. :P
Emperor's Royal Guard
Zuckuss
4-LOM
As much requested as the above three characters are (due to the ERGs being awesome, and the remaining three bounty hunters being both awesome and necessary to complete the "set" of ESB bounty hunters), I can't imagine Hasbro isn't already working on all three. Including Zuckuss or 4-LOM on a list by themselves would have everyone asking why one is on the list without the other, so it was probably easier to leave both off. I'm wishing/hoping they're working on both as a box set (akin to the 2010 Vintage exclusive 3.75" set from a few years ago) right now, with a single-boxed Dengar right now. Regardless, I'm deluding myself into thinking their omission was intentional due to them already being far enough along to be a foregone conclusion.
Ahsoka Tano (CW)
I'm guessing (again) that this was not included because an Ahsoka was already planned (the Rebels version) and they didn't want to do two in a short period of time. That said, I'd buy either a young or late teens CW Ahsoka, and Hasbro would be crazy not to make one eventually.
Sabine Wren
Last but not least, the seventh inclusion. Maybe she had a sudden influx of votes, maybe she didn't, but she's on the list, and she'd make a great figure. If she wins, her being a Fan's Choice means that (hopefully) Hasbro will go all-out and include tons of accessories (removable helmet, blasters) and detail that they failed to give to the 5 POA 3.75" figure. In all honesty, they really should have dropped Grievous from the list and made it the original six they mentioned.
So yeah, maybe I'm stretching, and maybe I'm petty (I do hate Mara Jade with a passion), but that's the best rationale I can come up with. Feel free to agree or disagree. I'll be over here in my corner building Lego houses. :D
DISCLAIMER: I voted for Sabine in the actual poll, so yeah. :)
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I don't have a problem with anyone wanting a certain character, everyone has a right to want their favorite character or just to vote for something specific. For me though, I'd be a little disappointed if Revan won. Part of it may be that I'm just not someone familiar with the character/story in the first place, but also when the 6" line started it seemed like they would hit the heavier hitters and army builders and work out from there. There are so many other characters I'd rather have than Revan (any on this list), and my focus with this line has been OT (and possibly TFA).
I'm also not sure the "given" list is as long in this age of new Star Wars every year. I'd personally like to see Lando, just because previous Landos weren't the best sellers and that might scare Hasbro off a bit as well. We only get 15-20 new figures a year in this line, and once new movies begin that might take up a bit more as well. My daughter would love to see Sabine, so I could see that route too. Nice to see Fans Choice return, but I agree that Revan seems like a boring choice. Heck, it may be blasphemous, but I'd feel similar if the Tonnika Sisters won. In 3 3/4", you bet, but I don't necessarily need a 6" one taking up slots from other characters.
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I'm pretty sure that the TOR game is considered Legends. According to Hasbro, any figure could have been made with the exception of TFA characters. SW Action News specifically asked them about that point and they said if a character like Akmena or the Tonnika sisters won, then they would make it.
At this point, I hope that Revan wins since he would be the least likely of those figures to be made. Greivous is already on production lists. Lando and Kenobi would certainly be made. Snowtrooper would probably be made at some point. Gamorrean could get made depending on how long the line lasts. Sabine is a bit of a wild card. It would all depend on how long Rebels lasts.
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I just don't get that people say, "vote for x character because s/he is cooler and is least likely to get made." Or "Don't vote for these guys because they will be made eventually." That's a big assumption that any character is going to be made. Hasbro could end the line at some point and I'd rather have a figure of a character that made an impact in the movies before anyone outside is made. I'm pretty sure that all SW gamers/book fans have seen the movies, whereas not all SW movie fans have played the games or read the books. This is where I think it's hard for some fans to support an EU figure. It's great if an EU figure wins as that's what the poll's about, but I don't think it's one that everyone would be happy about. If Lando or Ben won, I think people would be excited to get them.
Glad to see Sabine make the list, too.
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I'm not a 6" collector, so the winner doesn't really matter to me - here's a question I have though.
One of my pet peeves in collecting is the "unfinished team". It drives me crazy that I have 3.75" Jaina and Jacen Solo figures, but no 3.75" Anakin Solo (and, most likely, never will #Legends :(). In fact, I've said this forever about these fan choice polls...
I'd rather see a whole wave of NJO Jedi or a whole wave of KOTOR figures that I can display together rather than getting a one-off figure that I have to just stick in someplace because he doesn't really fit in anywhere else.
For example, Scorch is a good figure. I have no problem that they made him. But, I would have rather had a wave of Republic Commando figures or a box set of all 4 figures rather than buying the solo Scorch now and waiting for he rest of his squad. I mean, he looks fine in my Arena scene, but he'd look ever better posed with the rest of his squad. ;)
Same goes for a number of these figures in this poll... another example:
Why waste a pick on Jaina Solo if we don't know for sure that we'd ever get Jacen and Anakin to go with her? I could just stick her in my Arena (if she's a Jedi) or my Rogue Squadron (if they do the pilot version), but I'd much rather have the rest of the NJO figures to display with her.
With that is mind, is it just my OCD or would it drive other folks crazy to get a 6" Sabine and then never get the rest of the team... or like 2/3rds of the team?
Like Jimree said a few posts back, I'd much rather get a box set of 6" Rebels and knock them all out in one shot than get 6" Sabine now and hope/pray for the rest of the team over the next 3-4 years. :-\
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I think that's my biggest problem with a lot of these EU figures... if they're together with their "own kind" they look great, but a standalone Revan or Sabine would be out of place among OT and PT figures.
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Wow this escalated quickly. :)
I stand by voting for what makes you tingly, but I agree with you Eric, on voting intelligently too. I mean, if it's rumored, it's probably happening. If it's freakin' confirmed pull your head outta your ass... That kinda stuff.
Likewise I'm totally with Jim/Jeff's point... I'd rather vote for something that I don't have to wonder if we'll get the "rest of the team" at some point. I like my 4" Revan, Malak, etc... But that's a group who is grossly understaffed. Sure they couldn't make "you" from the game ultimately, but they left off a ton of characters that made up the main core (despite making quite a few from that era/EU). And it is noticeable to me personally.
We got Phase II Rex, never got Phase I done realistically... It's a similar thing to me. Realistic older Ahsoka, but not younger. No realistic TCW Cody. Lots of weird holes exist.
I fill that with customizing but that's a niche within a niche as the phrase says... Most don't customize, so most want Hasbro to do fairly complete groupings of figures, not little one-offs. That bugged me about a LOT of the EU figures we ultimately got. A couple rogues now and then, but never wrapping up all of them. There is a ton of that in the 4" line ultimately.
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I'll take 1/100 of the team over 0/100 any day. If making one EU/Rebels/whatever fig loses me one OT fig I'll take it. We're obviously going to get plenty of OT figs. For me the "out of place" thing means nothing. That being said I wish we were talking about something other than Revan or even Sabine. But I'll still be excited to have either one randomly sitting in with a bunch of movie based figs.
I am also the person who has custom 6"-Vlix, Jaxxon, Jaina, SOTE Luke, SOTE Imp. Disguise Luke, and others in my collection. So that kinda tells where I'm coming from.
If some time in the future I have to look back and see I could only have Sabine or Lando ESB in my collection I'd certainly rather have Lando. That being said I might be willing to gamble voting for Sabine in the Fan's Choice Poll because I think it's the only chance she gets made where as Lando "most likely" will get made even if he doesn't win the poll. Seems like fair logic to me.
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The Revan interest is something of a head scratcher. I mean, how many years has it been since Knights Of The Old Republic was released? I think it's at least 12 years since the game came out. I was definitely a fan of it, and I've heard it regarded by some as one of the best Star Wars games of all time. But Darth Revan had this weird status since you were playing the game as a character who becomes a Jedi while being unaware of his past as a fallen Jedi turned Sith Lord.
Despite the RPG weirdness involved in Revan the character has endured. I know that he wound up popping up in The Old Republic. And I can't help but think that the design for Kylo Ren's character in The Force Awakens was influenced in part by the character design of Darth Revan. I also get the feeling that the current generation of SW fans interest is grounded in the more current movies and media like KOTOR. Plus, time and attrition seems to have whittled down the ranks of the old school OT generation of fans. We may just be outnumbered by the more current generation of fans who grew up on the PT and games.
All of that being said, I think Revan is an interesting character. Not one that I would have immediately considered for the poll. I'm actually a little surprised that I didn't consider him for my own list, or Darth Malak for that matter. But I think Revan would be an interesting companion piece to the 6" Kylo Ren figure that we know is already in the works.
As for the rest of the list? I had Ben Kenobi (ANH) on my own list, purely out of my own fandom for the character. He does seem like an inevitable choice for the line. But I'd like to add him to the mix sooner rather than later. I also had Lando Calrissian on my list, but I wanted him as the ROTJ General. I just prefer that redeemed, less sleazy Lando than the TESB version. Sabine Wren is an interesting choice for fans. I would have thought that Kanan, Ezra or the Inquisitor would be more obvious choices for REBELS characters. And while Sabine is interesting I don't think the character has been fleshed out to earn that kind of support. I am a little surprised to see the Gamorrean Guard in the mix. A Gamorrean would be a cool companion piece for the Jabba 6" figure, but there's so little else from Jabba's Palace in this line that I have to wonder why you would start with a Gamorrean. The Snowtrooper is a pretty obvious choice on the part of the army builder fans. As for General Grievous? I put him on my own list, despite any rumors that he might be on the way. He's a significant villain for the PT era, so I get that.
But right now it looks like Revan's just running away with this thing.
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Sabine Wren is an interesting choice for fans. I would have thought that Kanan, Ezra or the Inquisitor would be more obvious choices for REBELS characters.
Someone posted on a JTA thread regarding Sabine, I imagine the PR team freaked out when they saw a) no females in the finals and b) no representation from the current [Disney] media (Rebels). So, to heck with that whole "Top 6" thing, we'll just make it a Top 7 and add a character that fixes both deficiencies.
I believe Jayson said something similar as well after why there was a 7th finalist added to the list. (his was the first one I saw, but couldn't find the quote).
I understand what you mean by Sabine hasn't been developed much. I hope that changes because she seems like a pretty cool character. Visually, the most interesting of the crew of the Ghost and I hope we get to know more about her backstory soon. I know Kanan and Ezra are the main characters, but I find them to be boring visually.
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That kind of makes sense. There's been some backlash amongst female fans about a lack of female characters in the line over this past year, notably regarding how the crew of the Ghost was released in the REBELS basic figure line. I saw a good deal of feedback on social media from female fans as well as parents of young girls who wanted to see Hera or Sabine get some equal representation.
I looked through Jeff's compilation of the votes and it's interesting. I replaced his vote counts with rankings. The numbers may vary, but you get something of a picture of how things are playing out:
1 - Darth Revan IN THE POLL
2 - Gamorrean Guard IN THE POLL
3 - Snowtrooper IN THE POLL
4 - Starkiller
5 - General Grievous IN THE POLL
6 - Asajj Ventress
7 - Ben Kenobi (ANH) IN THE POLL
8 - Mara Jade
9 - Lando Calrissian (ESB) IN THE POLL
10 - Emperor's Royal Guard
11 - Zuckuss
12 - Ahsoka Tano (CW) CONFIRMED & ON THE WAY (REBELS VERSION)
13 - 4-LOM
14 - Sabine Wren IN THE POLL
Looking through the top 9 candidates, 6 of those are in the SW.com poll. The three that didn't make the poll are all EU, with Mara Jade falling into that LEGENDS territory since she never made it into a TV series or relatively current entertainment aside from print. Starkiller is from a video game that dates back to 2008. Asajj Ventress is probably the most visible of those three, but the last TV project featuring Ventress aired in 2013. While she fits the bill of a strong female character, she isn't exactly current. And if we're looking at current female characters? Ahsoka appears to be on the way since that prototype of a REBELS Ahsoka was shown off at SWCA.
I'm thinking that someone at LFL licensing /Disney stepped in and placed Sabine in there very deliberately. She fits the bill in terms of appealing to the female character fans, is featured in a current entertainment property on Disney XD television, and she placed relatively well in the current poll. I think if Hera had ranked AT ALL in the poll Hasbro might have been inclined to go with her. But Sabine DID rank higher, and I think the Mando armor serves to make her a more appealing offering on the action figure market.
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Someone sent me a link to the Rebelscum top five (posted in their poll comments):
Ahsoka (The Clone Wars) Season 3 outfit
Darth Revan
Mara Jade
Assaj Ventress (The Clone Wars)
Emperor's Royal Guard
More support for Mara and Asajj, no Sabine... #fortheconspiracytheorists :P
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Interesting conversation and analysis. I took a very different approach on my list and I'm glad Sabine is an option. In some ways it will be curious to see if the Fanboy/Fangirl divide is that pronounced. Sabine definitely has some momentum as she has gained six percent in less than 24 hours. My guess is that she is the only one that can knock off Revan at this point. Since the 3.75 figure left people wondering about the non removable helmet, I am down for her to get the 6 inch treatment,
Is there a noticeable campaign for her now?
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Take it for what it's worth, but the only two Rebels Disney characters walking around at SW Weekends were Ezra and Sabine. With a fairly limited group of core characters (Anakin, Rex, Ahsoka, Cody, Jawas, Clone Troopers, Stormtroopers, Fett, Vader, Greedo, Chewie, OT Imperials), I was a little surprised to see her in the mix. I'd love for Sabine to make the final cut, but only if they're going to do the rest of the crew.
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Here are the standings as of this evening:
Darth Revan - 40 %
Sabine Wren - 24%
Ben (Obi-Wan) Kenobi - 11%
General Grievous - 9 %
Lando Calrissian - 6%
Snowtrooper - 6%
Gamorrean Guard - 4%
It looks like Revan is running away with this one. And I think that the inclusion of Sabine as an administrative add by SW.com or Hasbro is fine. Lots of people in forums want something to gripe about, and no doubt the inclusion of Sabine will be their issue here. But I think that keeping things current with a character who's fairly popular in the current entertainment offerings is a positive thing for the Star Wars license overall. As for Revan? He's not so current, except for how the character was incorporated into the online game THE OLD REPUBLIC.
I said back around the previous Fan's Choice Poll where Revan won and was made in the 30AC line that Darth Revan has a lot of support from the gaming generation. They're not as well represented in online collecting communities like JD or RS, but they are out there and that community has greater numbers than the OT generation realizes. And this may be coming into play again now in the current poll.
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Interesting conversation and analysis. I took a very different approach on my list and I'm glad Sabine is an option. In some ways it will be curious to see if the Fanboy/Fangirl divide is that pronounced. Sabine definitely has some momentum as she has gained six percent in less than 24 hours. My guess is that she is the only one that can knock off Revan at this point. Since the 3.75 figure left people wondering about the non removable helmet, I am down for her to get the 6 inch treatment,
Is there a noticeable campaign for her now?
I saw Dave Filoni tweet his support for Sabine. Not a surprise there though.
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The way things are going, they should either require that the winner have a clear majority (as opposed to a plurality) and/or break it down to a Final Two run-off between Sabine and Revan. 'Cause right now it looks like 51% plus of the responders want someone OTHER than Revan. Hard to call that a winning choice. I would have thrown my vote towards Sabine if I had known she was the only one with a prayer of beating him.
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I smell shenanigans on the voting, which is par for the course with this kind of thing. Does Revan even still exist following the Disney EU revisions? Conspiracy theorists would note that Sabine as a close second gives Hasbro justification for not making her, while still addressing the fan desire for strong female characters.
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I dunno, I don't see anything wrong with this like everyone else does... Revan's popular among collectors IMO, and he has a pretty big following among maybe more casual collectors too I think. There's a reason his figure has maintained a steady hefty price beyond him not being the most common figure on the pegs. He wasn't IMPOSSIBLE to find though back in '07 though. I saw him more than once I know and my toy runs were kind of random, not nightly things. So I dunno.
This is what it is I think.
Regarding a character "existing", LFL/Disney hasn't said the old EU no longer exists. They just say it isn't canon (which is funny and a whole other topic). You can't make an idea disappear I guess is my point, and they know that. Half the existing EU is being integrated into the Disney EU even... It's not like they're ignoring all of it. They're just going to ignore it when it's needed to make money off their billion dollar purchase.
Hasbro said vote for anything but TFA, and so people did. Revan falls into that.
I'm not championing Revan here... He means nothing to me really as I didn't really clamor for him before either, or Bastilla. I just wanted the droid from the game really (and got him). I think the Gammie would be a cooler looking 6" figure, myself, especially with a fuzzy belt thing again. 3.75" was great, so 6" would be equal to that or better.
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No surprise, Revan is your winner.
Also, no surprise, Sabine (the "it's weird how she made the final 7 choices instead of Asajj or Mara" candidate) is your "bonus" winner from the poll. :-X
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And to all who voted for Jango, lolz.
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And to all who voted for Jango, lolz.
I can get why they voted though... never assume anything. I mean, we had pictures of the second Utai displayed... maybe even the actual figure on display and we never got him.
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Yeah I say vote with your heart, it's just funny for me. :) Same with Sabine really... She's apparently been on the way, so had we known that, people could've gotten behind something else ya know?
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And to all who voted for Jango, lolz.
I can get why they voted though... never assume anything. I mean, we had pictures of the second Utai displayed... maybe even the actual figure on display and we never got him.
I voted for Jango. And like P- Siddy said, nothing is guaranteed. And that second Utai is definitely a sore point. It's one of the few instances where Hasbro showed a product to the public and it was never released.
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Now that Sabine is on the way, I'm left wondering what version will they do of her: Season 1 hair and armor or Season 2 hair and armor? I forgot about that change and looked it up and really hope they go with Season 1.
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We'll almost certainly see both, given how carry forwards are a huge part of the line. A running change ala the sand trooper is likely I think.
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Since they're doing half of The Ghost crew, I really hope they do them all before too long. Finish them up with a Target exclusive pack at Christmas if necessary.
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I don't blame people for voting for Jango. How much Prequel stuff have we gotten out of this line? Maul, Anakin, Obi-Wan, and two Clones? So five figures in a line containing maybe 30 figures total?
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I don't blame people for voting for Jango. How much Prequel stuff have we gotten out of this line? Maul, Anakin, Obi-Wan, and two Clones? So five figures in a line containing maybe 30 figures total?
Yeah, but on the flip side, that figure was already leaked as coming out before the poll even started, so voting for something that there's a good indication you will get anyway could be seen as a wasted vote.
I think it's a shame that the Gammorean Guard was dead last. Dude is so full of dead weight plastic that it's going to be a long time before he gets any consideration outside of some kind of goofy exclusive.