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Title: Recarded rehashes up the ying yang!
Post by: JediMAC on February 16, 2004, 01:36 PM
Well, I've already made the comment in several other threads that I wouldn't mind if Hasbro recarded every OT figure they ever made into this new OTC designed card that we've seen with the commtech Han, and I'd still buy 'em all again.  That said, they appear to have a pretty good start on that idea already...  So what does everyone think of all the recarded rehashes that are on the way for the OTC line?  Some of these figures will be appearing on their 3rd or 4th different cardback now...  Yikes.   :o

I copied this list from Scott, so hopefully it's got everything covered here.  Looks like at least 14 rehashes so far, in addition to the 7 figures from the Dagobah and Bespin waves:

[ ] - #04/05 - Luke Skywalker - POTJ X-Wing
[ ] - #04/06 - Luke Skywalker - Saga Jabba's Palace
[ ] - #04/07 - Han Solo - CommTECH Cantina
[ ] - #04/08 - Chewbacca - POTJ Mechanic
[ ] - #04/09 - Princess Leia - POTF2 New Likeness
[ ] - #04/10 - Darth Vader - Saga Throne Room Duel
[ ] - #04/11 - Scout Trooper- POTJ
[ ] - #04/12 - R2-D2- Saga HOF Version
[ ] - #04/13 - C-3PO - MMC Version
[ ] - #04/14 - Boba Fett - Saga Pit of Carkoon
[ ] - #04/15 - Obi-Wan - POTJ Version
[ ] - #04/16 - Stormtrooper- CommTECH
[ ] - #04/17 - Wicket- POTF2
[ ] - #04/21 - TIE Fighter Pilot

Well, bring it on!  So, is it safe to assume only the carded completists are going to be going after these rehashes?

Of course, you can add the 3 rehash vehicles into the mix as well - Millenium Falcon, X-Wing, and Tie Fighter.   :-\

Fortunately, since the rest of Hasbro's line this year is so amazing, I don't think most people will mind the plethora of rehashes coming.  As long as they keep up with the cool appropriate backdrop behind each figure, I'll be first in line to add 'em to my collection!   8)
Title: Re: Recarded rehashes up the ying yang!
Post by: Ben on February 16, 2004, 01:46 PM
The only figures I'd be interested in are the Stormtrooper, Scout Trooper, and TIE Pilot. I might buy the rest for my carded collection, if the price stays at $5.
Title: Re: Recarded rehashes up the ying yang!
Post by: Morgbug on February 16, 2004, 01:50 PM
It's going to depend entirely on what they look like on cardback.  Like Ben, I'll buy the imperials and then see after that.  

As a side note, I just got my CW animated figs from Matt x.3 and wow, those are neat.  I was planning on opening these, but now....
Title: Re: Recarded rehashes up the ying yang!
Post by: SilverZ on February 16, 2004, 01:58 PM
I'll obviously pick up at least a set to keep on the card. I'm hoping that Wicket will have a better paint deco than the last time around, considering he's a pretty sad piece of plastic to put on a card alone. That would be an opener. Not that I'm getting my hopes up...
Title: Re: Recarded rehashes up the ying yang!
Post by: Mainland05 on February 16, 2004, 02:13 PM
I hope the price stays at $5 it better!
Title: Re: Recarded rehashes up the ying yang!
Post by: Brian on February 16, 2004, 02:23 PM
I'm not usually a carded person, but I do like to keep the cardbacks.  That might make some of the rehashes tempting if they do end up staying at the $5 price-point.  My wife has been trying to talk me into getting rid of my boxes, cardbacks, etc. (we're running out of room for it)...and if I do it I would probably at least just keep these new OTC cardbacks, since they look pretty amazing from the pics.
Title: Re: Recarded rehashes up the ying yang!
Post by: Jesse James on February 16, 2004, 02:47 PM
The only thing about the rehashes is that I just am simply hoping that Hasbro repacks these awesome figures that are shipping now, so they're not scarce.

I mean, I know I want lots of Antilles, TIE Pilot, and "Dutch".  I'll take Dodonna's too, as well as lots of the other figures from the other waves even, but that Antilles wave is just the pinnacle of army builders in a single case.

I hope Hasbro's not gonna saturate the market with POTJ figures nobody really wants and short us on the new stuff EVERYONE's clamoring for.
Title: Re: Recarded rehashes up the ying yang!
Post by: JediMAC on February 16, 2004, 04:25 PM
The only thing about the rehashes is that I just am simply hoping that Hasbro repacks these awesome figures that are shipping now, so they're not scarce.

Yeah, for some of the newer ones, if they wind up being tough to find, then that's definitely a good idea to keep them circulating in the market for those who may have missed out.

And of course, the few potential army builders mixed in with these rehashes will be solid sellers to everyone, and not just carded completists...

I just can't understand even more now why the HOF wave just got released though.  Totally unnecessary since a lot of these were just released a few months ago, and many more are upcoming again in the OTC...   ::)  Blech!   >:(
Title: Re: Recarded rehashes up the ying yang!
Post by: proudfather2 on February 16, 2004, 04:35 PM
I'm fine with the "Repack" figures. I’ve learned to accept that it's a necessary evil when a collection of anything expands to this size. Once a figure reaches its apex it's no longer cost effective for a manufacturer to keep making new versions of that figure if they will see little, if any, improvement. It does however make sense if that manufacturer keeps re-releasing the "definitive" version of a figure. Now, we can endlessly debate as to whether or not any of these figures can be considered “definitive”, but that’s another thread all together.  ;)
Title: Re: Recarded rehashes up the ying yang!
Post by: speedermike on February 16, 2004, 09:48 PM
No matter how beautiful a card is, I'm a lose collector.  I will not by a figure that I already own just for a pretty picture.  In fact, I am quite happy by the amount of rereleases.  Because I won't buy them, I can spend my cash on the VOCT figures, and not feel bad for paying 9.99 a pop.  

I just hope all the repacks don't make finding new stuff (Dagobah, and Bespin Waves) impossible.
Title: Re: Recarded rehashes up the ying yang!
Post by: Jeff on February 17, 2004, 01:57 PM
I posted this in another forum, but it fits here too...

---------------

I think that the upcoming OTC re-release of some of the HoF figures will change the "most-carded" figure status...

Almost ALL of the red card figures made it to green cards, and then some of those even made it to FF cards, but most stopped there.  Now, we've got a few figures that have been carded FOUR times.  

Keep in mind this is the EXACT same figure (re-hashes don't count).

The current all-time champs???

Cantina Han:
CommTech 1999
Saga 2003
HoF 2004
OTC 2004

New Likeness Leia:
FF 1998
Saga 2003
HoF 2004
OTC 2004

Any others?

CommTech Luke is close, but they added a lightsaber for the Saga, HoF, and OTC re-releases which makes the CT versions different enough for me not to count it.

Has any one sculpt made it to FIVE different cards yet?

Jeff


ps
I'm glad Maul isn't OT.  I'll be happy that at least he won't show up again for a while...
Title: Re: Recarded rehashes up the ying yang!
Post by: Vator on February 17, 2004, 02:28 PM
Commtech trooper:
Original
Builder pack
HoF
OTC
Title: Re: Recarded rehashes up the ying yang!
Post by: Diddly on February 17, 2004, 06:46 PM
I'll pick up most of them since I missed a lot of them, but I feel that some of these figs shouldn't be rereleased. *Cough* Saga Figs *Cough*
Title: Re: Recarded rehashes up the ying yang!
Post by: proudfather2 on February 18, 2004, 01:11 AM
As per my reasons above I still maintain that the Repack-mania has only just begun. Within years the line will drastically taper off, then more time will be spent on clever packaging and gimmicks than on resculpting and retooling new figures. I'm betting in the next three years years we will see at least 50% of the POTJ line alone Repacked.
Title: Re: Recarded rehashes up the ying yang!
Post by: JediMAC on April 30, 2004, 08:02 PM
Looks like more recarded figures on tap, most of which are from the very end of the Saga run.  According to GH's Swami (http://www.galactichunter.com/absolutenm/templates/full_article_template_1.asp?articleid=2716&zoneid=2), these will be hitting the OTC card as well:

Lando Calrissian Skiff Guard
Darth Vader
General Madine
General Lando Calrissian
Han Solo AT-ST Driver
Princess Leia (Slave)

I wonder if that means the production on the Endor General's is going to get split fairly evenly between the Saga and OTC cards...
Title: Re: Recarded rehashes up the ying yang!
Post by: TheBlackDog65 on May 2, 2004, 12:57 PM
I posted this in the vechiles section but it fits here also. Based on Hasbro's April 28 2004 press release:

In terms of distribution, we expect the line to be carried by all major toy retailers.  While we do not disclose production quantities, we caution fans against Internet rumors. We will ship these figures in multiple ratios to try and ensure that the most popular figures are available throughout the Fall.  

I will say that the 7 new figures in the OTC will be harder to find then the peg warmers, I mean repacks. Expect the pegs from August til January to be filled with these OTC repacks. It is an easy way for Hasbro to put product out and not make an investment in a line with a movie coming out. This allows the marketing and distro $ to be spent on Ep. III.  Well, I'll be saving ALOT of money and time since I am not a completist and I am an opener!
Title: Re: Recarded rehashes up the ying yang!
Post by: proudfather2 on May 9, 2004, 09:08 PM
Slave Leia. Yes! I fondly remember when that was THE figure to have. She will be welcome in the OTC line.
Title: Re: Recarded rehashes up the ying yang!
Post by: Scott on May 10, 2004, 02:21 PM
A little birdy let me in on some info the following may be rereleased later this year...

IG-88
Bossk
Tusken Raider
Jawas
Snowtrooper

Stay tuned :-*
Title: Re: Recarded rehashes up the ying yang!
Post by: Scott on May 11, 2004, 03:25 PM
I would guess Bossk would be the latest Saga version, IG-88 was sort of short run during POTJ and gets him on the pegs, the rest are pretty much iconic parts of the OT so they all make sense
Title: Re: Recarded rehashes up the ying yang!
Post by: Darby on May 11, 2004, 07:27 PM
I wonder what Jawas they will use.  One should be the Ronto version, I always liked him.
Title: Re: Recarded rehashes up the ying yang!
Post by: Brian on May 12, 2004, 09:29 AM
According to This Story (http://thejawa.com/nuke/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=325) over at TheJawa.com, there might be a few more figures coming to the OTC later this year.  Still just rumors, but I'm guessing that these are repacks as well, at least for the most part.  There is mention of an "ultimate" dark lord for figure #500.  Otherwise, figures mentioned are:

AT-AT Driver
Death Star Gunner
4-LOM
Zuckuss

I wouldn't mind some of these, I personally don't have a modern 4-LOM or Zuckuss in my collection, and wouldn't mind adding them to get the full bounty hunter lineup.  And, from what I understand, even if these were repacks, the POTF2 versions weren't too bad were they?  Anyways, more rumors...hopefully we'll get further confirmation on all of these sometime soon.
Title: Re: Recarded rehashes up the ying yang!
Post by: Jeff on May 12, 2004, 10:43 AM
Fer cryin' out loud!

Everyday, it's more rumors about who is being recarded.  At this rate at least one of every figure incarnation will be recarded for OTC.

Back when it was just 20 figures (7 new, 13 re-packs) I was thinking about buying 1 of every figure to keep carded because I like the look of them.

Now, however, that we are approaching 42 figures (7 new, 35 repacks) I am starting to reconsider my plan.  My budget can absorb $65 for 13 recarded figures, but now we're up to $175 worth of repacks to "collect em all".

Dang... I was looking forward to the OTC, but now it looks more and more like a bad idea.  Maybe I'll just buy an OTC Vader and keep him carded?

Jeff
Title: Re: Recarded rehashes up the ying yang!
Post by: Scott on May 12, 2004, 07:24 PM
Well...looks like a lot of us will be saving a lot of money

http://www.starwars.com/collecting/news/2004/05/news20040512_3.html

(http://www.starwars.com/collecting/news/2004/05/img/20040512_3_bg.jpg)

And it also looks like my source was right on the money :P
Title: Re: Recarded rehashes up the ying yang!
Post by: Jeff on May 12, 2004, 09:22 PM
Whew.

Now that it's been reported by an OFFICIAL site, I can believe it.

To think, I almost believed it when I read it here  ;)

I still don't see Imp Scanning Trooper on that list though.

And, if Hoth Vader is #29 and Throne Vader is #10, which Vader is #34?

And isn't THREE vaders out of 37 figures kind of excessive?!?

I was SO excited back in February, but lately OTC is really starting to let me down... :(



Jeff
Title: Re: Recarded rehashes up the ying yang!
Post by: Morgbug on May 12, 2004, 09:50 PM
This is rather aggravating.  I suppose I understand the point in flooding the market with the figures, but couldn't they have done a nice even split of 50-50 new and rehased figures?  Oh, wait, this is Hasbro.  Never mind ::)
Title: Re: Recarded rehashes up the ying yang!
Post by: Scott on May 12, 2004, 10:44 PM
Whew.

Now that it's been reported by an OFFICIAL site, I can believe it.
Why you son of a JDCTTRAA!
Title: Re: Recarded rehashes up the ying yang!
Post by: Darby on May 12, 2004, 11:00 PM
Oh, the money I'll save!   ;D

And just "Jawa?"  Just one?  Sigh.
Title: Re: Recarded rehashes up the ying yang!
Post by: CorranHorn on May 13, 2004, 01:04 AM
Some of the figures listed look like bad ideas, but there's several that seem promising as re-releases, like Tusken Raiders (hopefully the Saga '03 Tusken) and Jawas, as well as those figures being re-released from the end of the Saga line this year. Did anyone else that the Biker Scout is listed twice? Perhaps the clean and dirty versions are being re-released seperately?

OCB, congrats on once again proving wrong those who tend to keep their feet in their mouths
Title: Re: Recarded rehashes up the ying yang!
Post by: Brian on May 13, 2004, 09:31 AM
Nice to see some news come from Hasbro on the OTC line.  I'm kind of torn on the OTC.  Sure, I have many (most) of the figures already, but part of me wants to buy them for the new cardbacks (as silly as that sounds to some).  And, I'm a loose collector, so it seems even stranger.  On the other side of things, if I could avoid them I'd save a lot of money.

As for the collection itself, I am glad to see some of the re-releases because I either missed them the first time, or they are at the tail end of the Saga line and I haven't found them yet (Star Destroyer/Endor figures).  I guess, if I really looked at it with an open mind....it is a pretty good collection of characters/figures for someone who is just starting into the world of Star Wars collecting.  I'll pick up the actual "new" figures, as well as others I missed along the way (Slave Leia, Bib Fortuna, and others listed earlier).  Curious about the double Scout Troopers, and the Vaders (Hoth one and which one #34 is...probably the Hall of Fame one).

So is everyone passing on these (at least the re-hashes), or do the spiffy cardbacks tempt you in the slightest?
Title: Re: Recarded rehashes up the ying yang!
Post by: Jeff on May 13, 2004, 10:03 AM
So is everyone passing on these (at least the re-hashes), or do the spiffy cardbacks tempt you in the slightest?

As I said earlier, when it was just 21 figures I was going to pick them up to keep carded.  I find the cardbacks very cool.  However, now that we are at 38 confirmed figures and another 6 rumored, that's 23 more than I orginally thought we'd see (and they're all repacks) for OTC, and that's probably too many figures for me to justify buying more figures just to leave carded.

Oh, and rounding up a few straggling rumors, the following figures are not on the list:

Confirmed (via Hasbro and SW.com):
OTC-xx Imperial Scanning Crewman (A New Hope)

Rumored to be part of OTC:
OTC-xx Gamorrean Guard (Return of the Jedi) - [from GH.com]
OTC-xx General Veers (The Empire Strikes Back) - [from GH.com]
OTC-xx 4-LOM (The Empire Strikes Back) - [from thejawa.com]
OTC-xx AT-AT Driver (The Empire Strikes Back) - [from thejawa.com]
OTC-xx Death Star Gunner (A New Hope) - [from thejawa.com]
OTC-xx Zuckuss (The Empire Strikes Back) - [from thejawa.com]

So, the "Official" Total for OTC is 38 figure (7 new, 31 re-packs) with Fan Sites reporting another 6 repacks.

07/44 = 16% new
37/44 = 84% repacks

Of those 44:
4x Luke (Probably will add Hoth Luke too before too long)
3x Vader (at least Luke has different outfits)
3x Leia (wow, that's a lot of Leia for 6-month span)
2x Han (Where's Bespin Han?  Or Hoth Han?))

But why two Biker Scout?  As CorranHorn pointed out, he's on the list twice (#11 and #30).  Clean and Dirty?  Or PotJ and PotF2?  Or typo?  Hmmm...

Not a heck of a way to finish up a "collector" (aka non-movie) year.  We sure got a heck of a lot more new figures from the OT during the PotJ run in 2001 (pre Ep2).

Jeff
Title: Re: Recarded rehashes up the ying yang!
Post by: Scott on May 13, 2004, 10:08 AM
Gammorean Guard should be on the checklist...its listed on the same info that the original IG-88 and friends were listed on.  I would guess that he will be in place of the second Scout Trooper
Title: Re: Recarded rehashes up the ying yang!
Post by: Brian on May 13, 2004, 10:42 AM
Good points Nataku.  I agree, I'm not sure if I will be able to justify buying all fo the rehashes just for the cards either, maybe just a select few.  Although we have more than enough recarded figures as it is, I really don't understand why they aren't sticking the POTJ Bespin Capture Han Solo in there, for another version of Han.  This is probably my favorite figure, and would be a nice change from the Commtech version that is used everywhere.  Plus, I don't think the Bespin Capture Han was particularly "flooding" the pegs when it was out either.  Anyways, since recarded seems to be the way things are going for the rest of the year (and maybe the beginning of next), are there any that you would actually like to see added to the list?  If they are going to recard anyways, I personally wouldn't mind seeing the Rebo band, 2-1B, 4-LOM, and Zuckuss (along with a few others I missed), and while we're at it maybe the Rancor too (doubtful).  But then again, I would much rather see some new figs thrown into this collection.  7 is not enough in a 38 figure collection :).
Title: Re: Recarded rehashes up the ying yang!
Post by: DoctorPadawan on May 13, 2004, 11:09 AM
I can definitely say without any hesitation that the only figures I will be buying from the OTC are the actual "new" figures (Lobot, Bespin Leia, CCP, Dagobah wave, and whoever else is a new sculpt) and probably a few CT Stormtroopers.  Even though I will admit the new cards look beautiful, as a loose collector, it's not really all that important to me.  

Before I get off on my perpetual Chicken Little ramblings, is it bothering anyone else (nerd alert!) that the Rebel Alliance card logo is blue, while the Empire logo is red?  I'm showing my true dorkiness here, but it's supposed to be the other way around.  Oh Aquaman, how can you marry a woman without gills?  ;D

But seriously (at least considering I'm complaining about toys when there are far more important things to be so concerned about in this day and age), this whole OTC just has pegwarming disaster written all over it.  This subline will probably only go on for about seven months or so, and they're already cranking out almost as many figures as were released all last year in that time period, with many of them being multiple versions of the same characters.  In my mind, they should have done a small line, containing figures that weren't already out in abundance and that in some cases hadn't been seen in a while.  Here's what I would have released:

THE DOCTORPADAWAN FANTASY OTC:
01-Luke Skywalker-Jedi Knight (Saga)
02-Han Solo-Bespin Capture (POTJ)
03-Princess Leia-Bespin Gown (OTC)
04-Chewbacca-Cloud City Capture (Saga)
05-C-3P0-with Removable Limbs (POTF2)
06-R2-D2-Dagobah (OTC)
07-Obi-Wan Kenobi-Jedi Spirit (OTC)
08-Yoda-Dagobah Training (OTC)
09-Luke Skywalker-Dagobah Training (OTC)
10-Lando Calrissian-Rebel General (Saga)
11-Cloud Car Pilot (OTC)
12-Lobot (OTC)
13-Darth Vader-Throne Room Duel (Saga)
14-Emperor Palpatine-Throne Room (Saga)
15-Stormtrooper (POTF2 CommTech)
16-Boba Fett-300th Edition (POTJ; repainted in ROTJ colors)
17-Tanus Spijek-Jabba's Sail Barge (Saga)
18-J'Quille-Jabba's Sail Barge (Saga)
19-Bib Fortuna-Jabba's Palace (new OTC sculpt)
20-General Veers-AT-AT Commander (new OTC sculpt)

So, out of 20 figures, there would be nine newly sculpted figures.  Figures such as Palpatine, Elom, Tooth Face, Luke Jedi, and General Lando never showed up in decent numbers so people could find them.  Of the remaining six, Bespin Han, Bespin Threepio, and Fett 300 haven't been seen on a card in ages (not counting the TRU Bounty Hunter pack) and would most likely sell better than the same old CT Han and Carkoon Fett.  The other three figures would satisfy Hasbro's need to keep main characters in the assortments and (Chewie aside, most likely) the versions included would sell well.

The only thing that comes to mind when I think of this type of thing is the fact that there are still other figures (the SD wave, the Endor Generals wave) from earlier this year that haven't been so easy to find.  That would be my only concession to recard *at least* those two waves on OTC cards.  Since Lando General is already being reissued in my dream world, that would be a total of five recards, plus the Scanning Trooper figure, for a total of 26 figures total in the worst case scenario.

I just see this whole situation becoming a disaster and Hasbro is going to (once again) blame the stores when nobody is able to find the new figures for the pegs upon pegs of CommTech Hans and Falcon Mechanic Chewies, completely ignoring the fact that they shot themselves in the foot with this line from the very beginning.

More of my conspiratorial rants at eleven. :)  Oh, and can someone tell me what "JDCTTRAA" means?  I'm familiar with the whole "situation" but I didn't know the acronym...
Title: Re: Recarded rehashes up the ying yang!
Post by: Scott on May 13, 2004, 11:36 AM
I think it stand for Jedi Defender Can't Take The _____ As Always

What the R stands for is perplexing me...Ribbing?
Title: Re: Recarded rehashes up the ying yang!
Post by: Jeff on May 13, 2004, 03:53 PM
JDCTTRAA...

Hmmm...

Jedi Defender Can't Tell True Rebelscummers Anything Anyway?

Jedi Defender Crazies Tell Truth, Rebelscum's Australian Angry?

Jedi Defender.Com - Totally Tired of Rebelscum's Australian Ass?

I like the third one best :P

/shrug

Jeff
Title: Re: Recarded rehashes up the ying yang!
Post by: SilverZ on May 13, 2004, 06:39 PM
Dear lord, the Bib Fortuna, Gamorrean, Vader, are recards. They are shipping OLD Bib!  :o  :'(

(http://www.hasbro.com/starwars/images/news/OTC_38.jpg)

Hoth Vader seems to be Emperor's Wrath Vader... with snow on his boots. ANH Vader looks like the MOTDS version again.

The OLD Bib?????????????????
Title: Re: Recarded rehashes up the ying yang!
Post by: Jesse James on May 13, 2004, 06:54 PM
I can't say I'm NOT surprised...

I can say I'm highly disappointed.  Recards are fine, but recards of figures that are terrible aren't.

And 3 Darth Vaders?  Is that really  necessary?  Ship one, MOTDS preferably, and that's it...  Just ship it in #'s to satisfy demand.  To me that's milking the Carded Collector market...  It's nothing to do with "getting figures to new fans".  Not as I see it.

Hasbro's gonna make finding the  GOOD, actually NEW, figures a royal b!tch this year.  Short of shipping them in their own case and in higher #'s anyway.

Ya know what may be the worst part to this?  The way Hasbro have taken the best card design ever in the history of this line and they've still managed to take a horrendous dump on it.  They have a frontline marketing goldmine with that unique card design.  It's gonna stand out on shelves, each card for each character's unique but simple, and yet Hasbro's chosen to not put out hardly any new figures.  Just old stuff.

Short of the Vintage OTC (And hopefully THEIR being recarded, which would make sense), I'm just disappointed with the end of this year so far.  Gonna be the slowest for Star Wars ever I think.  
Title: Re: Recarded rehashes up the ying yang!
Post by: Jeff on May 13, 2004, 08:14 PM
Gammorean Guard should be on the checklist...its listed on the same info that the original IG-88 and friends were listed on.  I would guess that he will be in place of the second Scout Trooper


/bow to OCB's powers

/cheer

Good call!  Another point for JD.com!

Jeff
Title: Re: Recarded rehashes up the ying yang!
Post by: SilverZ on May 13, 2004, 08:34 PM
Ya know, thinking about it more, I’m not that bothered with the actual figure choices, with a few obvious exceptions -- I’m still picking my jaw off the floor from the Bib stunt.

It’s the positioning of the line that’s bad, like you said, but I’ll get to that in a sec…

In picking a well rounded OT Greatest Hits they’ve done OK. There’s nothing all too silly on there save the “Fan’s Choice” turd. I would have included Hoth Luke, Bespin Capture Han, another Cantina guy, and another droid to make it feel rounded. Having a Vader for each film isn’t that bad an idea, and from all the case breakdowns so far, the repacks are usually 1 per case, so I don’t imagine there will be too many different ones hanging at once.

I think you summed up the big problem with this nicely – they’re crapping on the best package design they’ve ever had. That really, really worries me. This is the design I’d like to see new figures on for a long time to come. They are running the risk of sending a message that this packaging is a one-shot deal and a rehash assortment for 2004 only. Maybe that’s actually their intention. If so, that’s a real shame.

It also makes me think the VOTC thing is a bad idea more than ever. There’s enough characters in there of superior design that if you mixed them in with the OTC line, deleted redundant figs like the Falcon Training Ben, Commtech Han, Leia, and such, OTC would be a smash hit lineup, even with recards. With them separate, both may suffer.

That’s all really a big bummer. I honestly like these cards so much! I want the line to succeed and seeing this list, I don’t know if it will.  :-\
Title: Re: Recarded rehashes up the ying yang!
Post by: LandotheScoundrel on May 13, 2004, 10:40 PM
I'm pissed off. I really wanted a new Bib Fortuna.
Title: Re: Recarded rehashes up the ying yang!
Post by: Darby on May 13, 2004, 11:51 PM
I wonder if Hasbro is certain all the fans who take a big nap this fall will come back for EP3 next year.  Hmm.
Title: Re: Recarded rehashes up the ying yang!
Post by: Ben on May 14, 2004, 12:55 AM
Why is Hasbro reissuing the Slave Leia when the exact same figure is coming out in the Cup series, and in some cases, is still on TRU shelves from its POTJ release?

While I'm glad to see the Gamorrean, Bib is totally out of place in this line now. The rest I could care less about, and the only way I'll get them is if I'm forced to order cases of OTC.
Title: Re: Recarded rehashes up the ying yang!
Post by: Jesse James on May 14, 2004, 02:36 AM
Spuffy makes a good point...  How many people will say "F it!" to this line when they have a long break?

I've seen more peoople drop Star Wars in the last 2-3 years anyway...  I dunno.

I question how many "new" people are in this hobby...  Clone Wars is over, and with its end I see less "kids" in the toy aisles looking at the Star Wars.  Maybe I'm wrong...  I know kids are an important market, but to me without a "film" (not the DVD's) I am curious to see how this obvious pandering to kids is going to play out.

Of course, they could simply be catering to the carded collectors...  I wonder how much is a lil of A, and how much is a lil of B here...  Not to take a shot at the carded collectors by any means, do as you please, but they're the only ones who seem to be roped into these rehashes really.  The "kid" market doesn't strike me as realistic right now.

I'll be curious to see...  I know I'm passing on MOST of these myself.  I'll nab a Stormie maybe or two, and TIE Pilots, and of course the NEW figures...  I'll be miffed if any of the new guys are hard to find though.  Another kick in OUR teeth if they are.
Title: Re: Recarded rehashes up the ying yang!
Post by: Darby on May 14, 2004, 05:00 AM
I'm one of those collectors on the proverbial fence.  I've been a SW fan since I saw it at the Skylark drive in in 1977, and the toys since day one, but as far as the collecting goes, I'm pretty burnt out.  This OTC thing in a way is perfect for me because it will give me the time I need to recharge my batteries and let me see whether or not I still have the same enthusiasm I once did.

Beyond the new OTC figs, I am buying nothing more SW this year.  I'm glad the long awaited Sandcrawler got picked up, but at $60, it's beyond my means and desire.



Title: Re: Recarded rehashes up the ying yang!
Post by: Brian on May 14, 2004, 09:42 AM
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Ya know, thinking about it more, I’m not that bothered with the actual figure choices, with a few obvious exceptions -- I’m still picking my jaw off the floor from the Bib stunt.

It’s the positioning of the line that’s bad, like you said, but I’ll get to that in a sec…

In picking a well rounded OT Greatest Hits they’ve done OK. There’s nothing all too silly on there save the “Fan’s Choice” turd. I would have included Hoth Luke, Bespin Capture Han, another Cantina guy, and another droid to make it feel rounded. Having a Vader for each film isn’t that bad an idea, and from all the case breakdowns so far, the repacks are usually 1 per case, so I don’t imagine there will be too many different ones hanging at once.

I think you summed up the big problem with this nicely – they’re crapping on the best package design they’ve ever had. That really, really worries me. This is the design I’d like to see new figures on for a long time to come. They are running the risk of sending a message that this packaging is a one-shot deal and a rehash assortment for 2004 only. Maybe that’s actually their intention. If so, that’s a real shame.

It also makes me think the VOTC thing is a bad idea more than ever. There’s enough characters in there of superior design that if you mixed them in with the OTC line, deleted redundant figs like the Falcon Training Ben, Commtech Han, Leia, and such, OTC would be a smash hit lineup, even with recards. With them separate, both may suffer.

That’s all really a big bummer. I honestly like these cards so much! I want the line to succeed and seeing this list, I don’t know if it will.

I really agree with what Ty said here.  I'm not overly upset with the lineup of figures.  Don't get me wrong, I'd rather have more new...but the group they have chosen isn't too bad for the most part.  I was REALLY hoping for a new Bib as well, I don't care for the POTF2 version.  However, I don't have one in my collection, so I may end up picking it up.  I was one who thought about buying the entire line (including rehashes), just because I liked that packaging so much and thought about keeping some carded (or at least keeping the cardbacks to display behind the figures).  Now I'm not sure if I can justify spending so much for figures I already have (and I know my wife wouldn't be overly enthused about that).

It is an excellent point that Hasbro finally gets the packaging pretty much perfect for this line, and they are finding a way that could possibly ruin it.  Maybe we're wrong, and they'll sell great...and if they do, I'll be happy.  I do worry like others that the actual 7 new figures will be impossible to find, but I hope that isn't the case.  I agree with the VOTC sentiment as well, they should have included these in the OTC line...skipped the Commtech Han, POTF2 Leia, and others and just replaced them with the superior versions.  Overall, that would have been a great line.

I saw the folks over at TheJawa.com are speculating that the Bespin Luke could *possibly* be a "clean" version, which would be cool if that was true.  That would be another I would pick up.  Overall, my excitement has waned a little bit on the OTC.  I was really psyched for it before, even with some rehashes, but this might be a little too much.  I was excited before because it almost seemed like vintage days (especially seeing that picture checklist too), with a good variety of OT figures, the "main" ships, etc.  I'm just enjoying all the focus on the OT I guess, even though many of us have much of this already...its still just cool in a way.  It should have started at the beginning of the year, that would have been great :).
Title: Re: Recarded rehashes up the ying yang!
Post by: Scott on May 14, 2004, 10:16 AM
The thing that torques me is that they had to have had more OT designs on the shelf then they are revealing.  Instead of including them they went ultra cheap on a hunch that this DVD release is going to bring in tons of new fans.  

History suggests they have no clue on how to gauge the demand for their products as there are still Episode I figures in some stores and there are boatloads of Episode II figures shipping.

Can't really complaing about the year totally, there should be some Episode III preview figs and Novemberish will be the release of '05.  And these first 5 months have been absolutely amazing IMO

I really don't think this line will make it out of '06 anymore.  And not due to lack of fan interest more so due to lack of retailer interest.  MOTU...The Simpsons...two huge lines bit the dust not because their fans weren't buying, but because retail stopped buying them.  This might be the final nail in the coffin
Title: Re: Recarded rehashes up the ying yang!
Post by: Jeff on May 14, 2004, 10:25 AM
I agree...

Summer 06 we'll see shelves with piles of unsold 05 Ep3 figures, which will lead to the brain trust for the retails to say, well, that's that.  SW is done, no more ordering.

I can't see it going much past Fall 06, when we will all be here huddled at the board trying desperately to track down those last few waves that only the e-tailers ordered and Hasbro dumped in Europe ( a la vintage Yakface).

As far as OTC, I'm starting to think that if they had just jumped on the OTC bandwagon earlier this year, mixing in the re-packs then, the situation might have been better.  At least that way, the 28 new figures and 31 re-packs will be spread out over 12 months,

Instead, we get spoiled with 21 new figures in the first 5 months, only to get 7 the rest of the year. :(

Not to mention those seven will be mixed in with 31 re-packs that will clog the shelves. :(

Jeff
Title: Re: Recarded rehashes up the ying yang!
Post by: JediMAC on May 15, 2004, 02:29 AM
Well, I've already made the comment in several other threads that I wouldn't mind if Hasbro recarded every OT figure they ever made into this new OTC designed card that we've seen with the commtech Han, and I'd still buy 'em all again.

Wow.  I didn't think Hasbro was actually listening when I made that comment...  $h!t!   :-[
Title: Re: Recarded rehashes up the ying yang!
Post by: Scott on May 17, 2004, 03:11 PM
(http://www.jedidefender.com/news/images/4-04/lukeesb.jpg)

A little bit bigger picture of Luke
Title: Re: Recarded rehashes up the ying yang!
Post by: Scott on May 17, 2004, 03:12 PM
Looks to be cleaner and have a new head sculpt

(http://www.rebelscum.com/swsaga/saga-lukebespin_front4.jpg)
Title: Re: Recarded rehashes up the ying yang!
Post by: Brian on May 17, 2004, 03:13 PM
If this Bespin Luke does turn out to be a "clean" variation, I'd be pretty happy.  I've always liked that version of Luke (although it would have been better without the action feature), but it would be nice to have a cleanish version of it as well.  Makes one of these repacks a little more bearable anyways ;).  Plus, it was a pretty good figure to begin with....unlike a few others ;)
Title: Re: Recarded rehashes up the ying yang!
Post by: Jedirhino on May 17, 2004, 03:53 PM
Is the Bib Fortuna a repack...he looks like a newer figure...what do you guys think????
Title: Re: Recarded rehashes up the ying yang!
Post by: Brian on May 17, 2004, 03:58 PM
You're right Scott, although the pic is kinda small, it does look like there could be a new head sculpt on there.  Looking at the hair (part) it could be possible, that would be sweet if it was a change.
Title: Re: Recarded rehashes up the ying yang!
Post by: JediMAC on May 17, 2004, 06:13 PM
Wow, you may be right Scott.  That'd be a great change!  If they can clean up his face and outfit, give him some decent hair, and possibly exclude the action feature - that'd make for a mighty fine figure there!  Looks like that's just what they're doing, so hopefully that's the case.

If Hasbro just makes some nice subtle and worthy changes in a few key spots in some of these rehashed figures, it'd go a long way to helping them both sell better, and keeping the collectors out there a little happier with Hasbro for not just dumping the same ol', same 'ol on us.
Title: Re: Recarded rehashes up the ying yang!
Post by: Muftak on May 17, 2004, 08:56 PM
Could they have just borrowed the "non-handstand" head sculpt of the Dagobah Luke for the Bespin version? That would go a long way towards making it a different figure (and an idea I was going to try anyway.)

If they could just drop a few more subtle changes in with the figures, it really would make all the difference as far as the good graces of the collectors. I could go in for buying variants on paintjobs and minor details that make sense. I absolutely loved the improvements on the Momaw/Greedo/Ponda Cantina sets. But there just doesn't seem to be a lot of that going on here. Little stuff like the Jawa two-pack in slightly different colors (like reverse the dark brown/light brown scheme, help fill out that army of scavengers)...metallize IG-88 a bit...

...though I don't know how they could rehabilitate Bib or the Scanning Tech...

Title: Re: Recarded rehashes up the ying yang!
Post by: SilverZ on May 17, 2004, 10:18 PM
You must have been looking at EE at about the same time I was, Scott. Maybe that head is from the old CD-ROM Luke?

I had some time on my hands this afternoon so I started to look at the case breakdowns for the OTC waves. I have a feeling some of the recards are going to be hard to chase down, unless later waves correct these numbers.

Tentative case assortment breakdowns according to Entertainment Earth with added collection numbers from the Hasbro checklist, and ordered so first figure/card appearances are at the top of each wave:

Wave 7
01    2x Luke Skywalker – Dagobah
02    2x Yoda – Dagobah
03    1x Spirit of Obi-Wan Kenobi
04    2x R2-D2 - Dagobah Swamp
05    1x Luke Skywalker - X-Wing Pilot
06   1x Luke Skywalker – Jedi
07   1x Han Solo
08   1x Chewbacca
10   1x Darth Vader

Wave 8
18   2x Princess Leia - Bespin (NEW)
19   2x Cloud Car Pilot (NEW)
20   2x Lobot (NEW)
12   1x R2-D2 (New Packaging)
13   1x C-3P0 (New Packaging)
14   1x Boba Fett (New Packaging)
15   1x Obi-Wan Kenobi (New Packaging)
16   1x Stormtrooper (New Packaging)
17   1x Wicket (New Packaging)

Wave 9
09   1x Princess Leia (NEW)
11   2x Biker Scout (NEW)
01   1x Luke Skywalker – Dagobah
02   1x Yoda – Dagobah
03   1x Spirit of Obi-Wan Kenobi
04   1x R2-D2 - Dagobah Swamp
05   1x Luke Skywalker - X-Wing Pilot
06   1x Luke Skywalker – Jedi
07   1x Han Solo
08   1x Chewbacca
09   1x Darth Vader

Wave 10
21   2x TIE Fighter Pilot (NEW)
22   2x Greedo (NEW)
26   2x Luke Skywalker - Bespin Outfit (NEW)
01   1x Luke Skywalker – Dagobah
02   1x Yoda – Dagobah
04   1x R2-D2 - Dagobah Swamp
06   1x Luke Skywalker – Jedi
12   1x R2-D2 (NEW)
17   1x Wicket
Title: Re: Recarded rehashes up the ying yang!
Post by: JediMAC on May 17, 2004, 10:39 PM
Wave 9
09   1x Princess Leia (NEW)
11   2x Biker Scout (NEW)

Wave 10
21   2x TIE Fighter Pilot (NEW)
22   2x Greedo (NEW)
26   2x Luke Skywalker - Bespin Outfit (NEW)
12   1x R2-D2 (NEW)

I'm rather curious about these ones labeled "NEW".  Does that "NEW" label come straight from EE's site Jared?

Now that we've determined that the Bespin Luke's most likely got some changes to it, and is labeled "NEW" here, is it possible there's been some changes to a few of these other figures as well?  Probably just wishful thinking on my part, I'm sure, but do any of you with a keen eye notice anything that looks a little different on them?  We'll probably have to wait for some better sized pix to know for sure, but I sure hope there's more changes to some of these than we're currently aware of.  That would make this line a whole lot better in my eyes...
Title: Re: Recarded rehashes up the ying yang!
Post by: SilverZ on May 17, 2004, 10:49 PM
That's EE's description there re: (NEW). Since the Biker Scout is labelled that way, I assumed that the Leia is the recard one, not Bespin Leia. The order in which the figures were listed on EE's site correspond with Hasbro's numbering scheme consistently for the first couple waves, then get really funky by the later ones. It seems H had a nice systematic release slate for these, then went overboard. We need a few more breakdowns of later waves to get a better idea of how the year is going to pan out, availability wise, of those later figs.

That's a great thought if that meant there were alterations to the figure. We should have imagined that it was possible, now, in hindsight, since the Hoth Vader is obviously a repaint figure, not just a recard.
Title: Re: Recarded rehashes up the ying yang!
Post by: Scott on May 18, 2004, 10:21 AM
I'm trying to place that headsculpt

Sort of looks like this

(http://starwarsaga.free.fr/Films/Episode%206/Photos/EP6_LukeDagobah.jpg)

Its definitely not the CD-ROM version

(http://www.spnet.ne.jp/~swcoll/01prototype/10unproduced/lukeskywalker_bespin_cdrom.jpg)
Title: Re: Recarded rehashes up the ying yang!
Post by: Jedirhino on May 18, 2004, 04:04 PM
I guess I sort of got my answer  :-\
Title: Re: Recarded rehashes up the ying yang!
Post by: Scott on May 18, 2004, 04:09 PM
I guess I sort of got my answer  :-\
Yeah I don't think its a new Bib, its hard to tell with those small pics on the poster but it looks like the same POTF2 version
Title: Re: Recarded rehashes up the ying yang!
Post by: C on May 18, 2004, 08:09 PM
Yeah I don't think its a new Bib, its hard to tell with those small pics on the poster but it looks like the same POTF2 version

Agreed. Of all the figures that needed a resculpt, this one is way up there. Huge disappointment for me. Same goes for the Gamorrean Guard - it's a nice figure, but a new sculpt would have been appreciated. Ah well...
Title: Re: Recarded rehashes up the ying yang!
Post by: SilverZ on May 19, 2004, 04:25 PM
Thanks for posting that CD-ROM proto. That's certainly not it. I scanned through most of the old Lukes and can't find a match. Any other ideas on where this head came from? I'm having a hard time believing it is new, but it seems to be more likely now. Or perhaps from another aborted figure?

Even though its tiny, it sure seems like a late POTF2-POTJ era look.

(http://www.jedidefender.com/news/images/4-04/lukeesb.jpg)



I'm trying to place that headsculpt

Sort of looks like this

(http://starwarsaga.free.fr/Films/Episode%206/Photos/EP6_LukeDagobah.jpg)

Its definitely not the CD-ROM version

(http://www.spnet.ne.jp/~swcoll/01prototype/10unproduced/lukeskywalker_bespin_cdrom.jpg)
Title: Re: Recarded rehashes up the ying yang!
Post by: SilverZ on May 19, 2004, 04:31 PM
Actually another theory:

The figure's development timeframe was around the same time as the Imperial Officer and RFT, late in POTJ. We know it went through retooling from the CD-ROM version. On this version, the facial features appear the same as the existing Saga one,  only the hair is different.

Could this be an alternate head developed from the existing "battle damaged" sculpt of Saga Bespin Luke, intended for release in a similar way to the Imperial Officer and RFT headswaps, only to not see the light of day until now?
Title: Re: Recarded rehashes up the ying yang!
Post by: Scott on May 19, 2004, 07:41 PM
(http://www.rebelscum.com/toys2004/OTClukexwing1.jpg)

Another Luke Head mystery...is this a new one???
Title: Re: Recarded rehashes up the ying yang!
Post by: Scott on May 19, 2004, 07:43 PM
(http://www.galactichunter.com/absolutenm/articlefiles/2794-luke_chewC.jpg)
Title: Re: Recarded rehashes up the ying yang!
Post by: SilverZ on May 19, 2004, 09:59 PM
Looks the same to me. Maybe less white paint on the chompers for Bucky the Wonder Rebel?
Title: Re: Recarded rehashes up the ying yang!
Post by: Muftak on May 20, 2004, 09:27 AM
Well, I retract my earlier speculation that it could be the non-handstand Dagobah Luke's head on the "new" Bespin Luke. I've seen some much clearer pics and that hair's even more unkemp than the Saga Luke's.

Curious...
Title: Re: Recarded rehashes up the ying yang!
Post by: Scott on May 20, 2004, 11:17 AM
I think you've got it Ty, the teeth are not painted anymore

(http://www.rebelscum.com/potj/POTJlukexwingnhfr.jpg)
Title: Re: Recarded rehashes up the ying yang!
Post by: Jeff on May 20, 2004, 12:09 PM
Scott,

RE: your news nuggets on the front page about the Reb and Imp symbols.

Hasbro actually addressed this in the Insider #76 Toy Box column.

They said they simplified it for kids by switching the RED to bad guys, like Vader's saber, and the BLUE to good guys like Obi-Wan's/Luke/Anakin's saber.

I don't have it in front of me, but I can type it up later.

In fact, it was pretty amusing, the whole column was a "here's why we did this" to answer collector comments on:
- The sandcrawler getting dropped by Target after they reported in in Insider #75
- the symbol color switch/swap and why
- the slight change to safety text on the vintage repro cards (can't duplicate old card fronts exactly due to changes in safety codes/laws)

and a few other things I can't quite remember off hand...  dang work is distracting me :)

Jeff
Title: Re: Recarded rehashes up the ying yang!
Post by: Scott on May 20, 2004, 12:16 PM
Interesting, so instead of confusing the kids they confuse everyone else...Bravo 8)
Title: Re: Recarded rehashes up the ying yang!
Post by: Jeff on May 21, 2004, 09:10 AM
Another intersesting thing to point out about the OTC figures?

NO MORE JEDI MASTER POINTS.

From GalacticHunter.com's preview:
http://www.galactichunter.com/absoluteig/gallery.asp?action=viewimage&categoryid=&text=&imageid=10148&box=&shownew=on

So much for any future auctions, huh?

Jeff

Title: Re: Recarded rehashes up the ying yang!
Post by: SilverZ on May 21, 2004, 01:50 PM
Pics of the Biker Scout and Leia have shown up on RS and GH:

OTC Leia/BS (http://www.galactichunter.com/absolutenm/templates/full_article_template_1.asp?articleid=2818&zoneid=2)

Once again, I quickly forget that this Leia has been rehashed 3 times in the last year, once I look at how gad dang lovely the OTC cards are. Awesome! And the Biker Scout is clean again, thank god.
Title: Re: Recarded rehashes up the ying yang!
Post by: Scott on May 21, 2004, 02:32 PM
(http://www.jedidefender.com/news/images/4-04/scoutotc.jpg)
Title: Re: Recarded rehashes up the ying yang!
Post by: Scott on May 21, 2004, 02:33 PM
(http://www.jedidefender.com/news/images/4-04/leiaotc.jpg)
Title: Re: Recarded rehashes up the ying yang!
Post by: JediMAC on May 21, 2004, 05:38 PM
I wish those Rebel and Empire symbols were a tad smaller, and less obtrusive.  Ridiculous to change the colors (incorrectly) out of nowhere, just for the kids.  Yet another point that this line is for the kiddies watching the DVDs for the first time.   ::)

Biker Scout looks great carded, and it's nice to see a HTF (clean) army building figure hitting the pegs again.  Leia looks cool, other than the fact that she's packing double fisted heat.  What's with the two guns?  Yeah, I know she comes with both, but just put the screen accurate one in the figure's hand, and stick the other one down below and out of sight with the base.

Very glad to see Chipmunk Luke's teeth disappearing this time 'round.  Another subtle, and nice change from the previous incarnation.  Keep it up Hasbro, and you may actually sell a few of these rehashes to the loose adult collectors.  "Loose" referring to their collecting method, not anything else you sick minded pervs.   ;)
Title: Re: Recarded rehashes up the ying yang!
Post by: SilverZ on May 21, 2004, 10:13 PM
I actually really like the symbols in the corner. They work for me. In fact, I can't find a single criticism for the front of the card. The back, though...

Frankly, as far as intuitiveness of the logo colors go, I'm with Hasbro on this. It’s always been a contradictory design choice for the logos to be red for Rebel, blue for Empire. I can understand why they opted to go with a modification that wouldn’t confuse the unwashed masses. It’s a fairly universal notion to associate red with evil, so I don’t blame them for the switch.

And Hard Boiled Leia is a little strange. They’ve gone to great lengths with the other cards so far to keep them consistent with the background scene. Odd. I like the stance they’ve put her in on there, regardless.

Now what about this RS rumor of Ep3 preview figs coming on OTC cards?
Title: Re: Recarded rehashes up the ying yang!
Post by: Scott on May 24, 2004, 10:26 PM
Forget that small crappy picture above, heres a good quality picture of the Bespin Luke, just not dirty this time around.

(http://cargobay.starwars.com/toys/actionfigures/3.75-inch/otc/otc_all38xsell_32.jpg)
Title: Re: Recarded rehashes up the ying yang!
Post by: Scott on May 24, 2004, 10:30 PM
(http://cargobay.starwars.com/toys/actionfigures/3.75-inch/otc/otc_all38xsell_35.jpg)

Snow highlights on dear old Dad?
Title: Re: Recarded rehashes up the ying yang!
Post by: Scott on May 24, 2004, 10:44 PM
(http://cargobay.starwars.com/toys/actionfigures/3.75-inch/otc/otc_all38xsell_36.jpg)

Looks like Gammy got some new paint washes as well
Title: Re: Recarded rehashes up the ying yang!
Post by: Darby on May 24, 2004, 11:55 PM
Vader might be interesting, just from a carded point of view, and Luke is nice.  Is that IG-88 the SOTE one?  I can't tell.  
Title: Re: Recarded rehashes up the ying yang!
Post by: Jesse James on May 25, 2004, 01:00 AM
I actually cut Woodchuck Luke's teeth out when I got the POTJ figure ages ago...  I'm glad I wasn't the only one who thought to do that.  Just wish Hasbro had tried fixing it back in the day rather than letting it go to production that way.

I'm debating his height anymore, but all in all he's not a bad figure.

These are still ones I won't be buying...  THe Hoth Vader's not enough for me to buy it.  The Luke Bespin is one I'm on the fence on....  

The Gamorrean does look a bit crisper.  That's neat, in a way.  Shows how good a sculpt that was.

(http://cargobay.starwars.com/toys/actionfigures/3.75-inch/otc/otc_all38xsell_34.jpg)

Anyone think Bossk's sporting POTF2 legs on Saga body?  Hmmm

I may  nab him if that's the case.  Much more "ESB-ish" than his Saga counterpart if that's the case.  The Saga one's almost an EU version of Bossk sorta running.
Title: Re: Recarded rehashes up the ying yang!
Post by: SilverZ on May 25, 2004, 04:09 AM
Ah, nice pics! Makes me much happier to have a few openers to look forward to in OTC besides the all-new sculpts. I always thought the Gam Guard was good to begin with, so he's all the better now. I'm all for that "clean" Bespin Luke. Guess he doesn't have a resculpt head after all.

I spent a long time staring at the POTF2 and Saga versions side by side. They definitely seem to share a lot of components. Those are certainly the Saga legs on Bossk there though, Jesse. Check out the gimpy left foot.
Title: Re: Recarded rehashes up the ying yang!
Post by: Brian on May 25, 2004, 08:30 AM
Definitely nice to see some better images of the figures in this series, thanks for the pics Scott.  I like that we're getting a "clean" Luke, I'll definitely pick that one if I see it.  I missed out on the old POTF2 Gam. Guard originally, so I'm looking forward to picking this one up.  I always wanted a Gammy in the collection (Gammy! Gammy! Gammy!...Seinfeld anyone?).  I remember he was one of the first "bad guys" I had in the vintage line, so he fought many a battle with Han, Luke, and co.  No pics of Bib from what I could see, and error of having the Skiff Lando show up twice (at least that's what I saw).  Anyways, definitely a couple more I'll be picking up, not sure yet about the Hoth Vader...might end up getting that one too, we'll see.
Title: Re: Recarded rehashes up the ying yang!
Post by: proudfather2 on May 25, 2004, 12:54 PM
I know the changes to Bespin Luke are minor but, those changes make all the difference in the world for some carded collectors like myself. Hell, on the card, it's practically a completely different figure when compared side-by-side with the Saga version. I love it!
Title: Re: Recarded rehashes up the ying yang!
Post by: SilverZ on May 25, 2004, 08:03 PM
Hey, wait a minute:

(http://cargobay.starwars.com/toys/actionfigures/3.75-inch/otc/otc_all38xsell_18.jpg)

Do you think they've fixed the rocket/button atrocity or they just used an old pic for the list?
Title: Re: Recarded rehashes up the ying yang!
Post by: Scott on May 25, 2004, 08:23 PM
Looks like it...damn them ::)
Title: Re: Recarded rehashes up the ying yang!
Post by: Brian on May 26, 2004, 08:43 AM
I noticed that too, and was wondering if it was an old picture.  If they did replace it, it might be another figure to pick up.  Plus, with the fixed rocket and nice background card, I bet that figure would look pretty spiffy.
Title: Re: Recarded rehashes up the ying yang!
Post by: Jeff on May 26, 2004, 09:52 AM
Let the rehashes fly!

EE posted MORE case assortments for OTC.  Looks like there are a TON of different cases (wave 7, 8, 8.25, 8/9alt, 8.75, 9, 10) all scheduled to hit in June/July.

I am more convinced now than ever that the pegs are gonna be so chocked full of these things.  It's gonna make it hard to track down the few new figures from the Bespin wave, especially Leia who is only in one of those 7 cases.  Luke is gonna be EVERYWHERE though... Pilot, Jedi, Daogbah, Bespin.

Jeff

----------------------------------------------------


Original Trilogy Basic Figures Wave 8.75
http://www.entertainmentearth.com/prodinfo.asp?number=HS84715L75
2x Tusken Raider (OTC #24), 2x Jawa (OTC #23), 2x Snowtrooper (OTC #25), 1x Luke Skywalker Jedi (OTC #6), 1x Han Solo (OTC #7), 1x Princess Leia (OTC #9), 1x Boba Fett (OTC #14), 1x Obi-Wan Kenobi (OTC #15), 1x TIE Fighter Pilot (OTC #21) (subject to change)


Original Trilogy Basic Figures Wave 8.25
http://www.entertainmentearth.com/prodinfo.asp?number=HS84715L25
2x Luke Skywalker Dagobah (OTC #1), 1x Yoda Dagobah (OTC #2), 1x Holographic Obi-Wan Kebnobi (OTC #3), 1x Dagobah R2-D2 (OTC #4), 2x Cloud Car Pilot (OTC #19), 2x Lobot (OTC #20), 1x Princess Leia (OTC #9), 1x Darth Vader (OTC #10), 1x TIE Fighter Pilot (OTC #21) (subject to change).


Original Trilogy Basic Figures Wave 8 & 9 Alt.
http://www.entertainmentearth.com/prodinfo.asp?number=HS84715P
1x Luke Skywalker Dagobah, 1x Yoda Dagobah, 1x Obi-Wan Spirit, 1x R2-D2 Electronic, 1x Luke Skywalker X-Wing, 1x Luke Skywalker Jedi, 1x Han Solo, 1x Darth Vader, 1x C-3PO, 1x Boba Fett, 1x Stormtrooper, 1x Greedo (subject to change).
Title: Re: Recarded rehashes up the ying yang!
Post by: Scott on May 26, 2004, 10:04 AM
I sure hope that Hasbro doesn't short produce the first couple of cases they solicited or cancel them (like the Yavin and Jabba's Palace Cases) because I sure want my Bespin Leia damn it >:(
Title: Re: Recarded rehashes up the ying yang!
Post by: Jeff on May 26, 2004, 10:11 AM
Hey, wait a minute:
Do you think they've fixed the rocket/button atrocity or they just used an old pic for the list?

I don't think so.  I think that the figures on the checklist MUST be taken with a grain of salt.  Hasbro is being awfully liberal with the "product may vary" statement lately.

If you take a close look at the cardback from the HoF R2-D2:

(http://www.rebelscum.com/swsaga/sw04HOFr2d2cardbk.jpg)

You can see that the R2-D2 pictured is the BaR2-D2 figure with the drink tray removed (the third leg is the give-away).  Since, we know for a fact that the figure is definately a repaint of the PotJ R2 (Naboo Escape) figure, we can only assume that they were just too lazy to take a new picture.

This photo from the back of the Hall of Fame R2 is the one used for the OTC checklist.  This is causing some people to assume that the OTC R2 (#12) is not the PotJ Naboo one, because the pictures don't match.  That makes no sense to me becuase they've already given us an R2 figure that doesn't match the picture once.  What's to stop them from doing it again?

Another example is the figure with cup Hoth Pilot Luke.  Again, what we got doesn't match the picture.  The photo shows a removable helmet Luke, but we got a PotF2 head.  Lazy or cheap?  You decide.

With that in mind, I also noticed that the picture of Fett on the Bar2-D2 card is the same as the OTC checklist picture, with the "good" rocket on the pack but that's not the figure we got.  I'm going to have to go with "re-used old photo" and the standard Hasbro "product may vary" crap.

The whole OTC line screams of lazy/rush job to me, so I highly doubt that any re-tooling is done.  The only changes we've seen so far (Hoth Vader, Bespin Luke) have been minor changes (+/-) to paint decos.

Jeff
Title: Re: Recarded rehashes up the ying yang!
Post by: Scott on May 26, 2004, 10:21 AM
Never noticed that before, good eye Jeff and its certainly a dissapointment.  I sure hope Bespin Luke doesn't change because I am actually looking forward to that rerelease.  The rest though hopefully don't rot on the pegs :-X :'(
Title: Re: Recarded rehashes up the ying yang!
Post by: Brian on May 26, 2004, 10:56 AM
I agree, I'm also looking forward to the Bespin Luke re-release...that's a good variant idea actually I think.  I know I'd like to have a "clean" version in the collection as well.

(http://www.jedidefender.com/news/images/4-04/OTClukebespin.jpg)  (http://www.rebelscum.com/swsaga/saga-lukebespin_front1.jpg)
Title: Re: Recarded rehashes up the ying yang!
Post by: Jeff on May 26, 2004, 11:14 AM
I, too, am looking forward to the "clean" Bespin Luke.

These are the type of changes that would be easy for the Big H to do and probably get a lot more people interested.  I can't see them re-tooling anyone or any parts, but I can see them changing the Paint Deco slightly (Like Vader Hoth and Luke).  In fact, this "clean" Bespin Luke is probably cheaper for them to do because he takes less paint applications than the original.

Here's a quick look at how they could have released "old" figures, but change them up quickly and easily to be "new" figures.

#17 Wicket (Return of the Jedi) - repaint and call him generic "Ewok", fans can fill in the name later.  In fact, repaint him twice (dark brown and gray) and reuse the same package a la the Luke variations

#22 Greedo (A New Hope) - A few different colors and he's "Beedo" the rodian in Jabba's Palace

#27 IG-88 (The Empire Strikes Back) - remold in a light gray and call him IG-72, use the photo from the Bespin scene where he's laying in a pile of junk as Chewie retrieves 3PO from the ugnaughts.

So many wasted ideas...

Jeff
Title: Re: Recarded rehashes up the ying yang!
Post by: Brian on May 27, 2004, 01:33 PM
You know, looking back at the Cargo Bay for pics of the OTC, one of the re-releases I'm really looking forward to is the Gam. Guard.  I missed out on this figure the first time around, and when looking at these pics, the paint seems to be changed considerably (for the better).

(http://www.galactichunter.com/absoluteig/gallery/modern_hasbro/power_of_the_force_2/basic_figures/gamorrean_guard/gamorrean-guard_1f.jpg)  (http://cargobay.starwars.com/toys/actionfigures/3.75-inch/otc/otc_all38xsell_36.jpg)

Looks pretty good to me anyways.  Hopefully he won't be too tough to find.
Title: Re: Recarded rehashes up the ying yang!
Post by: SilverZ on May 27, 2004, 10:23 PM
What a difference a paintjob makes. The original Gam still holds up well - I can't think of anything to really change on him, sculpt wise. Hopefully he'll be around in enough quantity to army build.

I wish that freakin' Bib didn't make it though. That's a disaster. Only topped in suckiness by the Scanning Crew Tool.  >:( I don't see how they could even consider these figures when compiling the OTC release list. I mean, come on, show some dignity.
Title: Re: Recarded rehashes up the ying yang!
Post by: Jeff on May 29, 2004, 04:51 PM
GH.com has carded pictures up for:

#12 R2-D2 (A New Hope)
#13 C-3PO (A New Hope)
#14 Boba Fett (Return of the Jedi)
#15 Obi-Wan Kenobi (A New Hope)
#16 Stormtrooper (A New Hope)
#17 Wicket (Return of the Jedi)
#18 Princess Leia (The Empire Strikes Back)
#19 Cloud Car Pilot (The Empire Strikes Back)
#20 Lobot (The Empire Strikes Back)

http://www.galactichunter.com/absolutenm/templates/full_article_template_1.asp?articleid=2850&zoneid=2

Pretty cool cards... if they weren't dang resculpts :(

Jeff
Title: Re: Recarded rehashes up the ying yang!
Post by: Jeff on May 29, 2004, 04:54 PM
Do you think they've fixed the rocket/button atrocity or they just used an old pic for the list?

Note the old non-rocket button on fett:

(http://www.galactichunter.com/absolutenm/articlefiles/2850-otcwave2_07.jpg)

Jeff
Title: Re: Recarded rehashes up the ying yang!
Post by: Jeff on May 29, 2004, 04:56 PM
Looks like R2D2 is denifately the PotJ version, despite the different picture on the back of the package and the checklist...

(http://www.galactichunter.com/absolutenm/articlefiles/2850-otcwave2_17.jpg)
Title: Re: Recarded rehashes up the ying yang!
Post by: SilverZ on May 29, 2004, 07:03 PM
Yeah, pretty cool.

A couple odd choices of backgrounds to match the figures though. 3P0's cardback is great, if they had been releasing a Tatooine-dirtied figure. The Yavin ceremony steps behind him would have made more sense. Same with Ben - good background, wrong figure in front of it. He wears his cloak until the MF. I guess I'm picking nits though.

Shame about that Fett missile.

The POTJ R2's third leg is fixed, not retractable, right?
Title: Re: Recarded rehashes up the ying yang!
Post by: Scott on May 30, 2004, 09:44 AM
I'm starting to wonder if the Bespin Luke might not be new afterall and they'll release him with the blood and dirt.  if so I've just saved $15 and Hasbro will have try and pawn those off on some new sucker
Title: Re: Recarded rehashes up the ying yang!
Post by: Vator on May 30, 2004, 12:03 PM
I saw something yesterday on one of my toy runs that proved to me that the rehashes are selling. There was a group of around 5 or so kids (probably 6-7 years old) crouded around the Star Wars pegs, they had arm fulls of figures, mainly the rehash ones. One kid said to his mom: 'Mommy, look at all these cool Star Wars figers!' It proved to me that the rehashes do sell and that kids are still interested in the line.
Title: Re: Recarded rehashes up the ying yang!
Post by: Snively Bandar on June 3, 2004, 02:50 PM
Over the past 10 years, I've never seen a kid buy a SW figure myself.

Crazy carded rehashes galore in this OTC line.  So are we still really just dealing with the two new waves of 7 new figures and that's it?  Definitely disappointing if that's indeed the case.  I'm sure there's going to be a few new waves that we don't know about yet prior to Ep. 3's release, since there's just too much time in between.

But I've gotta say that these new OTC cards are really sweet!  I'll definitely be picking some of them up just for aesthetic reasons.  Just too nice to pass up.  Weird that Hasbro goes through all the effort to nail the perfect packaging, and then puts NO effort into the figures themselves.  Very strange.
Title: Re: Recarded rehashes up the ying yang!
Post by: SilverZ on June 3, 2004, 06:31 PM
If I were to average my sightings of kids versus 25-35 year old males, over the entire modern era, I would give it a ratio of 1in20. The only time I noticed kids more was during early Episode 2 days, say June, 2002. That's not to say no one is there buying these for their kids, or are in that 25-35 demo and just getting into the line.

The new packaging should do a lot to draw people to the SW aisle for sure. It's purdy, nostalgic, and classy. Having an assortment of core characters makes sense, too. Both are sure to draw new customers and all us completists in initially.

Not offering great figures to back up the potential of the packaging and concept is amazingly dimwitted, however. OTC seems to be a greatest hits line, which would be fine, but please – Bib Fortuna POTF, Wicket, Scanning Technician? These are terrible, horrible figures. Are these the examples of the line’s quality you want to impress upon new customers?

I’m not all against repacks. Just release good ones and have a little dignity, for the love of all things holy.
Title: Re: Recarded rehashes up the ying yang!
Post by: SilverZ on June 11, 2004, 08:40 PM
So the clean Bespin Luke looks confirmed:

(http://www.galactichunter.com/absoluteNm/articlefiles/2933-otc-lukebespin.jpg)

and I think I was pretty dang close on this one!  :P I like my "action" scene better though.
(http://members.aol.com/tydiriumz3/otc_bespluke.jpg)

It also looks like they're really rushing these cards. The Star Destroyer Bounty Hunters have pretty vague and dodgy backgrounds, and the TIE Pilot one is pretty iffy, too. There's no contrast between the figures and their BGs. Too dang dark.
Title: Re: Recarded rehashes up the ying yang!
Post by: Jesse James on June 12, 2004, 01:56 AM
Hmmm, the cardbacks are definitely neat anyway...  Even if I'm not getting half these figures because they're really not worth it to me.

Nonetheless, great cardbacks...  I almost wish the VOTC were on these cards (not only because of the $5 price variance) because I love the specific scenes each has.  Good stuff.
Title: Re: Recarded rehashes up the ying yang!
Post by: Brian on June 21, 2004, 12:22 PM
I don't know if anyone noticed, but there were a few little tidbits in the parting shots of Adam's Q and A over at Galactic Hunter today...here's a little bit, visit GH.com for more:

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Guess what? I got some answers from the guys upstairs about my questions!

Silver exclusive figures are going to be phased out. Apparently after the Sandtrooper, we probably won't see any for a while, if ever. I dug the concept, but am glad to see it retired before it grew too much. Of course, this begs the question, what kind of goodness will we see for future con exclusives? (I'm throwing my vote to an OTC repackaged Ephant Mon at some point. Which would most certainly rock.)

There are only 38 figures in the Original Trilogy Collection-- the lineup we've seen is finalized. However, there will be more figures before Episode III and with any luck, we might see a preview during the Summer convention season! So, thanks for the info to the kind soul who wrote in to keep us updated.
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Not sure what this means as far as the OTC packaging, if it will be totally done with at the end of this 38 figure run, or if it will run until Episode III.  Hopefully they keep the same style around anyways, until movie product hits.  Anyways, just thought I'd post it here to see anyone's thoughts.
Title: Re: Recarded rehashes up the ying yang!
Post by: Jeff on June 21, 2004, 01:38 PM
Silver exclusive figures are going to be phased out. Apparently after the Sandtrooper, we probably won't see any for a while, if ever

Good.  I am tired of the Silver Figures... I throught it was played out with the TRU clone, but I can handle one more (the Sandtrooper).

I sure hope that the exclusives don't move to being simple re-cards though, but I fear this is where they will head... OTC Emperor, OTC Ephant Mon, OTC Tat Luke, OTC Anakin, etc.

Jeff
Title: Re: Recarded rehashes up the ying yang!
Post by: Scott on June 23, 2004, 05:04 PM
I too am glad the Silver Crap is ending, the Sandtrooper was official overkill

And I think the cardback are staying, its just the OTC is done...
Title: Re: Recarded rehashes up the ying yang!
Post by: Morgbug on June 23, 2004, 05:16 PM
And I think the cardback are staying, its just the OTC is done...

Can Hasbro handle the increase in cost of production?  These seem pretty unique in terms of backgrounds per figure.  I forsee a great many rare 'error' pieces on ebay in the near future.  

Or are you saying the silver styled cardback is staying?  That would be cool, IMO.  But I am sure you are indicating the OTC.  
Title: Re: Recarded rehashes up the ying yang!
Post by: Scott on June 23, 2004, 05:18 PM
Yeah these...

(http://www.jedidefender.com/news/images/4-04/OTClukedagsm.jpg)

Are staying...at least that's what we've been told.  They'll just ditch the additional graphic doodads and the OTC Banner
Title: Re: Recarded rehashes up the ying yang!
Post by: SilverZ on June 23, 2004, 10:02 PM
I'd be stoked if they stay. Changing the banner in the bubble isn't an essential part of it, as long as they maintain the silver scheme. Are they doomed forever once the Ep3 card hits, or will these live on, that's what I want to know.
Title: Re: Recarded rehashes up the ying yang!
Post by: Scott on June 28, 2004, 03:37 PM
Two words...Retail Death

Its bad enough that there are tons of repacks in this crap...lets repack the new figures over and over and over again all summer long too!!!

Think there is any chance we'll get new product 2005 by Christmas?

From Newforce...

Wave 11
(1) Dagobah Luke
(1) Dagobah Yoda
(1) Dagobah R2D2
(1) Dagobah Obi Wan
(1) Luke Skywalker X Wing
(1) Luke Skywalker Jedi
(1) Han Solo
(1) Darth Vader
(1) C3PO
(1) Boba Fett
(1) Storm Trooper
(1) Greedo

Wave 12
(1) Dagobah Luke
(1) Dagobah Yoda
(1) Dagobah R2D2
(1) Dagobah Obi Wan
(1) Princess Leia
(1) Cloud Car Pilot
(1) Lobot
(1) Chewbacca
(1) C3PO
(1) R2D2
(1) Obi Wan
(1) Wicket

Wave 13
(1) Luke Skywalker Jedi
(1) Han Solo
(1) Princess Leia
(1) Boba Fett
(1) Obi Wan
(2) Tusken Raider
(2) Jawas 2 Pack
(2) Snow Trooper

Wave 14
(2) Dagobah Luke
(1) Dagobah Yoda
(1) Dagobah R2D2
(1) Dagobah Obi Wan
(2) Cloud Car Pilot
(2) Lobot
(1) Darth Vader
(1) Princess Leia
(1) Tie Fighter
Title: Re: Recarded rehashes up the ying yang!
Post by: Jeff on June 28, 2004, 03:49 PM
I think the pegs will be clogged with the OTC... much like the PotF2 1997 bonanza.

Instead of peg after peg of Green Card Ackbar, Malakili, 2-1B, and ASP Droid, we'll have peg after peg of OTC Bib, OTC FF Leia, OTC Scan Trooper, and more!

I have seen over 8 different case packs/waves and there are still about 12 figures that haven't even been solicited yet in pre-order cases.  That works out to another 3-4 cases right there!

TOO MANY FIGURES!

Jeff
Title: Re: Recarded rehashes up the ying yang!
Post by: Scott on June 28, 2004, 03:53 PM
Yeah I though about that too...this is only through Luke Bespin...still have a ton of figures left that most people already own ::)
Title: Re: Recarded rehashes up the ying yang!
Post by: SilverZ on June 28, 2004, 04:03 PM
Yeah, those case breakdowns have been the worst in a long time. I usually am pretty good about doing selective ordering at EE to get at least 1 of each new figure, preferably 2. It's not the case with OTC. A bunch of the recard figures are at 1 per case, mixed with repacks of figures from other waves, leaving holes in my ordering scheme - dooming me to search retail for them, or wait out future case breakdowns on the last waves of the year.

Its figures like Wicket that are going to cause me fits.

I have a bad feeling that the last waves aren’t going to be found at retail easily. Not that it’s an issue for anyone other than carded collectors, since they’re all lame POTF2 recards, but for completists (me included) it’s going to suck.
Title: Re: Recarded rehashes up the ying yang!
Post by: Scott on June 30, 2004, 02:00 PM
I sure hope that Hasbro doesn't short produce the first couple of cases they solicited or cancel them (like the Yavin and Jabba's Palace Cases) because I sure want my Bespin Leia damn it >:(
Do I win a No Prize for this?

(http://members.aol.com/jaredbrinkley/hasklink.jpg)
Title: Re: Recarded rehashes up the ying yang!
Post by: Jesse James on June 30, 2004, 02:05 PM
Oh man those assortments suck, but at least some of the "New" figures are gonna reship.  What I don't see much of is the Endor Wave reshipping, which sucks to me because I needed a 2nd set for my custom endeavours and they've seemingly dropped off the planet all together.

A shame too with how good they are.
Title: Re: Recarded rehashes up the ying yang!
Post by: SilverZ on July 1, 2004, 03:00 AM
(http://members.sparedollar.com/resize.aspx?user=CAT&img=otcjawas01.JPG&size=600)

Daggummit, now I have to go look back at the case breakdowns to make sure I have TWO of these things on order, an opener and a carded one. I wasn't figuring we'd get different deco on these.

EDIT: Oh, and I just noticed the non-affiliation of the card. There's no insignia in the upper left of the card. Interesting.
Title: Re: Recarded rehashes up the ying yang!
Post by: Jesse James on July 1, 2004, 08:39 AM
irritating...  to say the least.

If they're gonna re-release this stuff, at least don't redeco it like this.

Yeah, it's nicer than it was, and at least Jawas are a justifiable purchase as army builders to an extent, but really I could've done without these.
Title: Re: Recarded rehashes up the ying yang!
Post by: Scott on July 1, 2004, 09:20 AM
Those Jawas are two I might have to pick up a couple of...filthy creatures
Title: Re: Recarded rehashes up the ying yang!
Post by: Jeff on July 1, 2004, 09:47 AM
http://www.galactichunter.com/absolutenm/templates/full_article_template_1.asp?articleid=3016&zoneid=2

Here's the Tusken and Snowtrooper carded if you haven't seen them yet, along with the Jawas card fronts AND backs.

So pretty.   :-*

Tusken doesn't have the Imp insignia either... do you think this means that Hasbro is actually taking on board some early comments from fans?

Jeff
Title: Re: Recarded rehashes up the ying yang!
Post by: Scott on July 1, 2004, 09:51 AM
Well it makes the Bounty Hunters look a little silly now
Title: Re: Recarded rehashes up the ying yang!
Post by: Jesse James on July 1, 2004, 01:49 PM
While I think the Jawas and Tusken look great, I'm a bit miffed at Hasbro for all the repainting they're doing.  It's compelling to keep the completist ways going by buying these, and yet I'd planned on not getting too much of the OTC stuff because it was supposedly "rehash".

ALl these nice paintjobs are irritating then, in a way, because it's like keeping the completist fire going that I'd have to buy them.  That's frustrating that they didn't just straight re-release this stuff as it was before.

At least on Tuskens and Jawas they're army building fodder...  There's always room for Tuskens and Jawas.

On stuff like Bespin Luke though, which is a figure I just wasn't pleased with the first time around, I'm thinking it may be a reluctant pass that irritates me that the figure was made "different" in the first place.  
Title: Re: Recarded rehashes up the ying yang!
Post by: SilverZ on July 1, 2004, 02:03 PM
That Tusken sure looks nice. Comparing it to the POTJ and Saga versions, I think I like him the best, though I'm not calling the paint job superior, at least until he's seen loose. The Gamorrean should be a treat when we finally see him.

My problem is I had my mind set on not having to get more than 1 of each of these guys until the repaint thing was confirmed. If I had more confidence in their distribution I wouldn't be so annoyed. I'd be be really happy otherwise - repaints are kinda neat. The question is if they can actually be found in the store, because all this case shifting I'm doing to make sure I have 2 of each just isn't going to work much longer.

Title: Re: Recarded rehashes up the ying yang!
Post by: Darby on July 1, 2004, 03:29 PM
I'm very happy about the Jawas.  Mostly because they're my favorite SW aliens, but because Hasbro gave me a reason to buy a couple sets of these.  #1 reason being they got rid of that god awful insignia in the corner.
Title: Re: Recarded rehashes up the ying yang!
Post by: Jim on July 1, 2004, 03:30 PM
Anyone else disappointed that they did not rerelease the SAGA Tusken with the Gaffi Stick?  That scene with Luke was so memorable that I am still confused with the POTJ choice ???
Title: Re: Recarded rehashes up the ying yang!
Post by: Jesse James on July 1, 2004, 05:07 PM
Yeah, now he's sporting Luke's gun.

It's a rehash...  release him with both even.  Don't be chincy!  :)
Title: Re: Recarded rehashes up the ying yang!
Post by: Jeff on July 2, 2004, 09:18 AM
DAngit!

Wave ten is in stock at EE, yet has a different case-mix then when I first ordered it!

I ordered when the case pack said:
1x OTC-02 Yoda
1x OTC-04 R2-D2
1x OTC-06 Luke Skywalker
1x OTC-12 R2-D2
1x OTC-17 Wicket
2x OTC-21 TIE Fighter Pilot
2x OTC-22 Greedo
2x OTC-26 Luke Skywalker
1x OTC-01 Luke Skywalker

NOW, wave 10 has been updated as:
2x IG-88 (OTC #27),
2x Bossk (OTC #28)
1x R2-D2 (OTC #12),
1x TIE Fighter Pilot (OTC #21),
2x Luke Skywalker - Bespin Outfit (OTC #26),
1x Luke Skywalker - Dagobah (OTC #1),
1x Luke Skywalker - Jedi (OTC #6),
1x Yoda - Dagobah (OTC #2),
1x R2-D2 - Dagobah Swamp (OTC #4),

So, now I've got IG-88 and Bossk re-packs, instead of Greedo, Wicket, and a TIE pilot!

Stop messing with the case packs Hasbro!!!

Jeff
Title: Re: Recarded rehashes up the ying yang!
Post by: Scott on July 2, 2004, 09:50 AM
Thought about ordering that case since I want 2x the Dagobah wave...I may jsut try my luck at retail on those >:(
Title: Re: Recarded rehashes up the ying yang!
Post by: Morgbug on July 2, 2004, 11:06 AM
They (Hasbro) really aren't terribly concerned with customer perception, are they?  Changing waves, short run waves, shafting retailers.  Sheesh.  

I'm just dearly hoping (and fairly confidently expecting) these will arrive at retail up north (eh).  I'm only needing the new figures and maybe a scanning tech or two, so not much pressure.  Will probably snag Vaders and others that look nice, but not much into carded stuff anymore.  

I feel for you guys though, they seem to be trying to make the last years the messiest and most annoying.
Title: Re: Recarded rehashes up the ying yang!
Post by: Jeff on July 2, 2004, 11:17 AM
It's almost as if, slowly but surely, all the things that kill a toy line are creeping into SW:

- Rotating/changing case packs
- Running variants (Hoth Han, J'Quille/Tanus, Unleashed Clone)
- uneven distribution (was fixed for PotJ, but now it's back)
- gotta catch em all attitude (numbering system)
- repacks and repaints (a la Batman and Toy Biz)
- short production runs (anyone seen the Endor wave warming the pegs? Nope.)

How much longer before they start adding "Chase" figures to the cases?  Watch for the exclusive Red-Stripe Clone Trooper, packed in every 10th case!   >:(

All of the above items kill collector interest.  Declining interest = lower sales, which in turn causes drop of retailer support, which in turn kills a line.

Sliding downhill fast...  Just more evidence to support the case of us "The Line will die by 2006" crazies I guess.  

Jeff
Title: Re: Recarded rehashes up the ying yang!
Post by: Scott on July 2, 2004, 11:40 AM
Don't forget cheaper plastic, poorer paint applications and not going all out on articulation

And I'm a 2006 Crazy...it's not gonna make it
Title: Re: Recarded rehashes up the ying yang!
Post by: Morgbug on July 2, 2004, 12:05 PM
I'm starting to get a little crazy too.  

Though I have one (two actually :-[), the variant clone trooper is just a big old negative mood.  McFarlane here we come.  While McFarlane still has good sales, it is waning, IMO, with it's hard core collectors who seem ever more frustrated by the rarer and rarer 'chase' pieces and errors/switches in production.  

The cheap plastic comment is bang on, Lando's staff is laughable.  I'm sorely tempted to get a vintage one simply so it doesn't look like he's holding a piece of spaghetti.  It's been that way for a while though, remember Zam Wessell's gun from the preview figs?

Pardon my stupidity (you usually do) but what of the J'Quille/Tanus scenario?  I've never had them in my hands at the same time, though I own both.  I put them away quite quickly so never bothered to compare.  Are they the same figure, or just a substitution figure in the same case, differing by just this figure?  Please explain.  

Endor wave is actually sitting up here by the way.  Han moves pretty quick, but general Lando and Madine can be found pretty easily.  For a change we have three retailers carrying them.  Anyone needs  Madine or Lando, LMK cuz I have to return them.  
Title: Re: Recarded rehashes up the ying yang!
Post by: Scott on July 2, 2004, 12:08 PM
Tanus and J'Quille share parts...speaking of which I took pictures of them last night for a review Jesse did...I'll be right back for with a few shots
Title: Re: Recarded rehashes up the ying yang!
Post by: Scott on July 2, 2004, 12:17 PM
I guess they all didn't upload, I had a nice shot of Tanus and J'Quille side by side which shows the part similarities

I did upload this though

(http://www.jedidefender.com/yabbse/attachments/furryfriends.JPG)
Title: Re: Recarded rehashes up the ying yang!
Post by: Morgbug on July 2, 2004, 01:05 PM
So just different head sculpts and different paint deco's.  Both are booby-licious though, aren't they? ::)
Title: Re: Recarded rehashes up the ying yang!
Post by: SilverZ on July 2, 2004, 03:51 PM
Alright, I picked up my cases from EE today. I had a sneaky suspicion this week would be costly, but dang, I ended up with 4 cases of different ratios today.  :o

Couple things and observations...

They did get in some wave7, but not many, and the wave9 push definitely was a Hasbro distriubution thing. I got a case to my complete surprise.

From these four cases, Spirit Obi is going to be the pain to track down. Of the four cases, he is only in2 of the assortments, abd packed 1 per case.

The Luke pose variation was the standing version in all cases except wave 9 (I have to double check that that's the right wave, the box says WV7.25 on it) which is the handstand version.

Carded collectors are going to have a challenge on their hands. Many of the cards, straight from the case, have noticable fraying (although minor) that's visible because of the black cardfront. If you're shooting for uber-mint, minor problems with the cardback are going to be easily spotted and exaggerated because of the card color.

Those are my first observations. I have a floor full of figures, and sweet mother, they look fantastic. Even the repacks just scream out with Star Wars goodness. To my surprise, I don't have that many extras considering how many cases landed. I'll post the extras tonight in the for sale section.
Title: Re: Recarded rehashes up the ying yang!
Post by: Jeff on July 2, 2004, 04:05 PM
[runs to Tydirium's house]

(http://thesimpsons.com/bios/images/bios_family_homer.gif)

"Ooh, OTC."

*yoink*

[runs home]

------------------------------------------

So, "HandStand" posed Dagobah Luke was wave 9 (aka 7.25).  Check.  Thanks for that info!  

And, on the frayed cards bit, that kind of explains why most of the AFA graded uncirculated figures from Cloud City only had a 80-85 rating.  Gonna be hard to find in uber condition then, eh?

Jeff
Title: Re: Recarded rehashes up the ying yang!
Post by: SilverZ on July 2, 2004, 08:02 PM
Here's something I thought a bit startling -- Luke Bespin's repaint is a vast improvement over the Saga version:

(http://members.aol.com/jaredbrinkley/lukecomp.jpg)

The base color is much closer to brown, and matches the new Dagobah Luke, and of course, like we saw in the pics before, no extreme battle damage paint effects.

(http://members.aol.com/jaredbrinkley/lukecomp2.jpg)

The loss of the black paint in his mouth helps a lot, too. What I'm going to do is treat the Saga version as the weathervain-hanging whooped Luke and the other as Bespin Duel Luke. I'm really pleased and surprised with how different the repaint turned out.

They've also managed to paint skintone on the tiny V area of the collar on the torso section (Saga has this painted brown). The detatchable wrist uses the magnetic design.

Unfortunately, in going through and checking out the other recards, this is the only one that's worth opening. The Biker Scout is the clean version. Wicket is sad and dated looking. Nothing's changed on the other figures as far as I can tell. I still need to look at IG88 and see if there's any changes over the last release, but I'm thinking no.

EDIT: Yep, IG88 is exactly the same.
Title: Re: Recarded rehashes up the ying yang!
Post by: SilverZ on July 2, 2004, 10:52 PM
Stay away from my stash, Homie.  ;)

And, on the frayed cards bit, that kind of explains why most of the AFA graded uncirculated figures from Cloud City only had a 80-85 rating.  Gonna be hard to find in uber condition then, eh?

That seems to be the challenge. My current plan calls for one OTC card to be AFA'ed, and I'm having a hard time finding the ideal one. You'd think with case-fresh cards it would be easy, but its turning out quite the opposite.

A couple of the cards have printing alignment problems as well. They seem to be printed lower on the card than they are cut -- for example, Bossk's card is offset about 1/8" down from where it should be, resulting in the Imperial insignia having an extra 1/8" of solid red print above the round logo. The other Bossk is just fine.

My candidates for AFA'ing are Luke Pilot, Stormtrooper, and C3PO (I have reasons for not doing a new figure) at the moment, but all the cards have issues.  ::) I'm going to have to do a Colman and keep buying them everytime I see them until I get the perfect card. Oh my.
Title: Re: Recarded rehashes up the ying yang!
Post by: JediMAC on July 7, 2004, 04:49 AM
I'm going to have to do a Colman and keep buying them everytime I see them until I get the perfect card. Oh my.

Hey dude, don't give away my figure buying strategies!   :P

Picked up my first OTC figure tonight, courtesy of a helpful stashing assist from Jared here...  Got the Leia, and lemme tell ya', it's one of the most beautiful things I've ever seen - right up there with my original 12-backs from way back in '78.  The card and bubble design, with the respective background scene on it, is just a site to behold.  I LOVE these, and for once won't have a single gripe on the repacks...

(ducks, as everyone throws crap at me for saying that...)   :-[

Just gotta head down to Jared's pad now, to see all 20 of them together!  Soon J, soon...   ;)
Title: Re: Recarded rehashes up the ying yang!
Post by: SilverZ on July 7, 2004, 09:25 PM
I LOVE these, and for once won't have a single gripe on the repacks...

(ducks, as everyone throws crap at me for saying that...)   :-[

Just gotta head down to Jared's pad now, to see all 20 of them together!  Soon J, soon...   ;)

I'm glad someone's out there that agrees. If I'm going to pick one OTC figure for my carded display, it's more than likely going to be a repack. I was feeling lame that that was the way I was going, but seeing iconic figures (even repacks) on those cards are really amazing. Now at least I got me some backup.  8)

And if ya want to get technical, it's the first 20, and 26,27,28.  :-*
Title: Re: Recarded rehashes up the ying yang!
Post by: SilverZ on July 8, 2004, 11:43 PM
Here's what the carded lineup so far looks like:

(http://members.aol.com/tydiriumz3/All_otc.jpg)

You can sorta see how much the 3PO card pops from the rest. Pretty cool.
Title: Re: Recarded rehashes up the ying yang!
Post by: jokabofe on July 9, 2004, 12:07 AM
showoff   ::)

 :P
Title: Re: Recarded rehashes up the ying yang!
Post by: JediMAC on July 9, 2004, 12:16 AM
showoff   ::)

 :P

My fault, my fault...   :-\

I was talking to Jared on the way home from the office tonight, and I told him he needed to take a picture of all his OTC cards together, and post it here in the forum!  He said he'd already taken a pic, but didn't want to post it for fear that some dork (like Dave) would holler at him for "showing off".  Good thing that didn't happen, eh?!   :P  So you can blame me for peer pressuring him into doing it.  Not Jared's fault that he cheats and gets cases by the buttload from EE, before everyone else!   Well, ok...  I guess it is his fault.  You suck Jared.  You damned showoff!   >:(  You can take your fancy schmancy OTC collection and shove it up your ass!  But just wait 'til after I stop by this weekend to see them though.  Thanks.   :-*

Damn sweet pic though.  Makin' me drool all over myself as we speak...   8)
Title: Re: Recarded rehashes up the ying yang!
Post by: Darby on July 9, 2004, 12:51 AM
 :o


So, so jealous.   Must have OTC.  Great pic, Tydirium.
Title: Re: Recarded rehashes up the ying yang!
Post by: JediMAC on July 9, 2004, 03:45 AM
P.S.  Looks like the R2 and Leia cards are identical.  True?  Any others that share a background?  I thought that IG and Bossk did, but it doesn't look like it now...
Title: Re: Recarded rehashes up the ying yang!
Post by: SilverZ on July 9, 2004, 09:53 PM
Glad you liked the pics, Spuffy. I 've had them on the floor like in that pic for a week for lack of anywhere to put them, but more so because I just am in love with the OTC look. They're just...  :'( so beautiful I could cry.

P.S.  Looks like the R2 and Leia cards are identical.  True?  Any others that share a background?  I thought that IG and Bossk did, but it doesn't look like it now...

Ah, good catch, yes, R2 and Leia share identical cards. They appear to be the only ones so far that do that (even the Endor forest BGs are unique). I took a good look at the bounty hunters they're the oddest of all of themd - the background is a Photoshop job for sure. It's not as detailed as the rest of the backgrounds with some simple transforms to give it some perspective. Not the greatest by far. Bossk's BG is a horizontal flip of IG88's BG, exactly the same except for that flip.
Title: Re: Recarded rehashes up the ying yang!
Post by: Brian on July 14, 2004, 11:04 AM
Ok, now that many people are starting to see the recarded rehashes actually on the pegs...are you picking them up or passing on them?  I have to say that I have passed on them, with the exception of a Han Solo simply because I always try to buy an extra Han to keep carded.  I will admit some of the others were tempting, just because of that packaging (Jedi Luke, Scout Trooper, and Chewie were close to being picked up too) but I just can't justify buying the figures just for the boxes.  Have any of you caved (that didn't think you would), or have you passed on them?  The recarded figures I have seen so far are the TR Vader, Han, Chewie, Leia (ANH), Luke X-Wing, Luke Jedi, and Scout Trooper.
Title: Re: Recarded rehashes up the ying yang!
Post by: Jesse James on July 14, 2004, 11:10 AM
I passed yesterday on TRD Vader, Jedi Luke, X-Wing Luke, and several others...  Grabbed Dagobah Wave in its entirety though.

Unless there's a significant enough paint difference, and the figure is "good" to me, I'm going to be passing.

I'll likely nab the Tusken, Jawas, Gammorean, Stormtrooper, TIE Pilot, a 2nd set of Endor Wave (or more) for customs, and possibly anything similar that strikes my fancy, but...

Wicket and lick it....  So can most of the other repacks.  Just not of interest to me.  This includes Bespin Luke, who is irritating because his figure's on clearance at KB.  This is one that shouldn't have been re-released, or redecoed.  To say I wasn't pleased with it in the first place doesn't help my opinion of it now either...

The Jedi Luke was tempting because he looks great on the new card, but then again so do all the figures...  I'm just gonna forget these retreads though.  Carded guys are going nuts and it'll be my little bit of help to them to not hog up most of any of this stuff.   ;D
Title: Re: Recarded rehashes up the ying yang!
Post by: Jeff on July 14, 2004, 11:10 AM
So far, from the cases I pre-ordered, in addition to the new figs (Dagobah and Bespin), I've nabbed a Han, Chewie, R2, and 3PO on OTC cards to keep.  

The rest of the re-card stuff from my cases is being sold off to local friends and/or anyone else who might be interested in buying my extra OTC figures (http://www.jedidefender.com/yabbse/index.php?board=23;action=display;threadid=4755).  (another shameless plug) :)

Jeff
Title: Re: Recarded rehashes up the ying yang!
Post by: Force Guy on July 15, 2004, 07:13 PM
Ok, now that many people are starting to see the recarded rehashes actually on the pegs...are you picking them up or passing on them?

I picked up an X-Wing Luke since I never picked up the POTJ woodchuck version.  I also picked up a couple of Stormtroopers and I plan on nabbing the 'new' clean version of Bespin Luke whenever I see it.  Other than that, I've passed up most of the recarded figs.  Nice packaging, though, particularly C-3PO's.
Title: Re: Recarded rehashes up the ying yang!
Post by: habs98 on July 15, 2004, 07:16 PM
Picked up the Dagobah Wave today at Walmart.  Still can't find that Handstand Luke though, anyone help a brother out?  Trying to find 2 MOC carded.
Title: Re: Recarded rehashes up the ying yang!
Post by: Scott on July 30, 2004, 01:57 PM
Up for preorder at EE

Wave 11 (http://www.entertainmentearth.com/aff-home.asp?id=JE-405087801&number=HS84715Q)

Wave 11.5 (http://www.entertainmentearth.com/aff-home.asp?id=JE-405087801&number=HS84715Q5)



Title: Re: Recarded rehashes up the ying yang!
Post by: SilverZ on July 30, 2004, 03:37 PM
That Wave 11.5 looks like the one I'm going with. Pretty much fills the holes of what I need, assuming they don't go and switch ratios again, though I'd really like to see them ship out the Endor Generals in a case at 2x a piece. Han is good custom fodder.
Title: Re: Recarded rehashes up the ying yang!
Post by: Morgbug on July 30, 2004, 03:59 PM
Han is the only Endor figure I cannot find in multiples out here.  Dale is still looking for one I think.  The others can be found with relatively little problem.  Well, one small problem, they are on trilogo cards, so I haven't been grabbing them up for trade bait.  

As to the question, I plan on getting the new figures and then the imperials, at least Vader, biker scout and a stormtrooper.  The cards are very nice indeed but it would seem most of what we'll see is the wacky starburst card that is generic to Canadian cards.  

The release has been so spotty thus far that every day I go home and make sure I didn't dream up finding the Dagobah Four.  Sure enough, they're on a shelf at home, but I found the only case that seems to exist thus far locally.  Han/Chewie/Luke x/Luke Jedi were the other four in the case with 2x of each that I bought.  
Title: Re: Recarded rehashes up the ying yang!
Post by: Scott on July 30, 2004, 04:00 PM
Hey Brent,

I'll take 2 Madines if you can get them :-*
Title: Re: Recarded rehashes up the ying yang!
Post by: Jesse James on July 30, 2004, 04:04 PM
Hell yeah.  I'd take 1 of each for customs purposes myself.
Title: Re: Recarded rehashes up the ying yang!
Post by: Morgbug on July 30, 2004, 04:56 PM
Duly noted, Madine's shall be cleared from the pegs at the earliest convenience.  
Title: Re: Recarded rehashes up the ying yang!
Post by: SilverZ on August 6, 2004, 10:27 PM
Picked up my case with the Jawas, Snowtrooper, and Tusken Raider it it today. I have to say that the Tusken and Jawas are the right way to do recards, like discussed earlier. I cracked open both and their detail when compared to the originals is miles better. The Snowtrooper is exactly the same as far as I can tell.

I'm still a little perplexed with the choice they've made with the figure versions though.  :-\ Why not use the Jawa/Gonk set version with it's superior legs and skirt? Why use the POTJ Tusken when the Saga one was arguably better and less widely distributed? Strange.
Title: Re: Recarded rehashes up the ying yang!
Post by: Scott on September 21, 2004, 02:18 PM
http://www.rebelscum.com/photo.asp?image=http://www.rebelscum.com/toys2004/OTC38imptroop.jpg

Huh...found at a Wal Mart in AZ...different hair...yawn, wake me when the Naboo Crew shows up
Title: Re: Recarded rehashes up the ying yang!
Post by: Jesse James on September 21, 2004, 05:56 PM
I've been reading how excited people are on OTC, and I have to admit I'm happier now than I was before, but these are NOT "flying" off shelves anymore.

Like all things, they're starting to glut now...  I mean, the Han's are a dme a dozen and have been...  Wicket's now becoming a warmer, as are the Dagobah Wave (all new figures to boot).

The Snowtrooper's a HUGE pegwarmer here now, and I again attribute that to the figure being a less than stellar army building example.

The X-Wing Luke's sitting some and Jedi Luke, because he was just out on Saga cards, is DEFINITELY sitting. 

The OTC isn't miraculously "better" than Saga was or anything that people around the net are seemingly claiming.  It just hasn't shipped heavily or steadily till now, and now that it is, it's sitting.  Cards don't sell figures, no matter how nice they are, and OTC's now proving that.

Fortunately TRU's are having a nice sale that's helping me justify some purchases I might not have made otherwise at WM's and TRU stores...   Picked up some repaints and such because of that.

Now if the Endor wave would show, I bet those would move...  Or if the Bespin Wave showed in any decent quantity it'd move for a time.

Right now though, OTC's ok, but it's no more special than any other line, and the repacks that AREN'T special at all are really sitting...  The Han was the first, but he's being supported by many now.
Title: Re: Recarded rehashes up the ying yang!
Post by: SilverZ on November 3, 2004, 01:02 AM
Hmmm... where to post this...

I finally found openers of the Gamorrean Guard OTC recard/repaint today. I've gotta say, I friggin' bow before the quality of the Pig's sculpt. I've been reminded by his feet that this was (c) 1997. Wow. The sculpt sure holds up well today!

I always thought it was a good POTF2 figure, but tonight, when comparing the new paint to the old, they've actually made a good figure great. The only thing I could really criticize the figure for at 2005 standards is articulation.

I'm actually happy with something. I don't know how to handle this.  8)
Title: Re: Recarded rehashes up the ying yang!
Post by: Brian on November 3, 2004, 10:46 AM
I'm glad to hear the positive review of the piglet.  I don't have a modern Gam. Guard in the collection, and it was actually one of the OTC figures I was looking forward to the most.  Out of the handful I still check for, this is the one I really want to pick up one way or another.  Glad to hear that it turned out great, and they paint took it up another notch!